as jonathan pollard yet a sizable contingent of jews israeli and americans rejoiced when jonathan pollard was released from prison it was so much rejoicing the prime minister of israel b netanyahu issued an advisory tamp down the air of celebration jonathan pollard a turncoat american who spied for israel may be the very symbol of jewish divided loyalty know what he hears what he represents what do you symbolic of an american jew born in they my this states he is now about sixty or sixty one years old but he spent thirty just completed thirty years of a life espionage and then he worked at it i think from forty to forty eight to a boat oh i'm sorry from about eighty four to about eighty five or eighty six or something like that yeah and then he was important point he gave away sources and methods and that's that's really important because this is how you do your response how you collect your stuff not just the information that you collected but he was doing actually most of what harm he's unique he's put into in the company with some names that people might have heard aldrich ames john walker and bob hanssen if someone took one classified just one cholas if i had documents and passed that to be would who are not supposed to see it that's a huge thing can you imagine now how many documents are in the volume of three hundred sixty cubic feet i heard it was a million documents i'm sure that he caused quite a bit of him to the united states by making this information that's classified available to people who are not supposed to see it you know it was really interesting when i read about what the israelis did with some of the  which is part of the big problem that we are living into the in the middle east now his wife was a a minor co conspirator but she did likewise  jonathan he did a plea and did a plea that was his first wife and coconspirator and she got i believe five years but she is said of the only about three and a half years or something that you know what's really interesting about her would forget that and then now everybody would be thinking of him as a hero who did actually something like that where they flew it was that they were into that is that i mean embassy of course this is where the f b i was hot on their trail yeah yeah yeah so if anybody doubts that they're give it to a foreign end so he's deserves to be in that class with aldridge ames john walker and bob hanson the other three most notorious spies to ever harm america well but i'm not sure that any one of them that is kind of a technical legal definition but he doesn't deserve all of this rebranding that he's getting from a very sophisticated kind of tawdry p r campaign that's been going on for years he is actually as you are living in america but he's not an american in the first place despite this p r campaign has a lot of counterarguments that they raised a lot of it seemed glib and lot of it seemed unpatriotic know most of it was focusing on he did no real harm he's actually a patriot to now it brings up the question about israel an ally what do you think there with all of the heart of the israel has goes to america in the middle east and the n other parts of the one of those well i don't really know why anybody would still call it or in an american ally i think that's actually a very misconception a very strong misconception i think actually with with friends or with allies like is become a symbol on this question of jewish divided loyalty didn't jonathan pollard try to sell all this information and not just israel he was like  making monies he was an idealogue but more more he was a mercenary that he was kind of a get him and he was trusted to do the job and then he still information through their jobs do you see anything ironic with this p r campaign commemorate his nine thousand day in prison yeah but the issue actually is bigger than that the issue is it's not just that he's a sitting materia if you are talking as an american you think of th he committed the crime as an american to them then that's not a crime what he did actually is a heroic act a list of counterarguments and i want to tackle just a couple of the more good ones the ones that struck me as unpatriotic they argue that actually that their information was going to impact the security of israel and that's why he did it of course of they never actually showed by prove that that was  case because wouldn't have known what israel was getting to the other thing exactly that he gave them more than information he gave them sources and materials and it was rumored that he comp a lot compromised a lot of people that working for u s intelligence and there's another one that really strikes me over the top is that you know his sentence was too harsh you look at other some other spot that passed information to an ally want free relatively free zone parole but he could have had multiple counts resulting in multiple life sentences that could have been served consecutively not concurrently and also they dropped tax fraud charges all that money he made it was spot you didn't report on his income to of course he was granted citizenship israel he really was willing or tried to renounce american citizenship and prison israel made him a citizen while he was imprisoned by the way out else in the whole world and actually enough like i said enough that some cities and counties in the medical out of the clearing homelessness in america to be in a state of emergency at the video game that the foreign aid to israel goes up from jewish people especially those i honest i don't agree with that actually i think of the zionist jew was their loyalty is to israel is not divided between america and israel no no no their loyalty is to israel so she's on a stipend which indirectly americans are paying it's kind of like paying them back it's alleged that bibi netanyahu was a sponsor during his time in america in the early in the mid mid eighty's and that would have is a real cushy life if you're in a prison situation for them he should not be in prison in the first place it might be shut your mouth and enjoy this improve situation or else yeah absolutely what seemed really ridiculous jonathan for espionage second wife esther that seemed a little odd to think he had what we call conjugal visits with or whether he had the relationship with his wife anyhow the think of the thing about the whole jonathan pollard campaign p r is it is there some stink connected with it he gets out he's got an apartment waiting he's got a job waiting they've shifted focus from harsh punishment to the parole how much of this was jewish power they have shown actually by this case that they can get as you into walking in the espionage but of us of america should have disqualified him from any kind of trusted intelligence work or the quality control procedure in america here is kind of pathetic if i can put it that way when he visited israel  to spy for israel and that jonathan himself talked about having a racial what was it called a racial obligation to israel loyalty for israel and if the interests of america will you think of it as if america has favors of of the jews they think of it that it's in their own skills it's in their own intellect it's in their own ability to go into finance and then to so they would never think to be good for for america no in fact actually it should it they think of it the other way around that america should be good for them but pollard logic that was spoken by one of his supporters one of the people rejoicing when he was released saying that pollard logic is all about american zionism the finning israel at any cost the true traitors are those who criticize israel i was shocked when i read that well i am lucky because maybe because you are born and that is than america here you are far more kind of thinking than i am i am a more of an aerialist i am neutral kind of and i see backlash coming i'm afraid actually that all the problems in the middle east thing by the iraq war and now the syrian pleasure the and the many people from the middle east of trying to get into europe that we need to criticize north korea all day long but when you criticize zionists in israel there is usually quite strenuous back backlash for doing it and we lost our first amendment