so they go to miss the pleasure of having the interview interviews this is this program will be called the paid african odyssey the pan african odyssey and we have with  is from north america is here today with us and certainly he's a warrior scholar the preeminent black scholar we have in this country do you know i'm his privilege to introduce and i just don't have the words to say and if it's true with a seat at the battlefield where you are one this made is gold from battlefield the battlefield to battlefield a battlefield i don't know how him and his beautiful wife rosalind jeffries dr ros wanted this and i won sixty one and she wanted to see the new group coming back so they said whoa and that's how she so amazing oh my goodness and then you know the rest is history he still has a loving verse a it was joke that the people who got off the train and know her coming out from georgia north carolina south carolina was not quite as smart as they should be because when the conductor got to newark  sell on a farm community but they created an african village and that's the beauty they had their land they had their schools they had the churches they had the black everything was black the whites lived in one section the blacks lived in the other section they did not depend upon life folks they were independent farmers they build their schools with their own hands they built their  that on you tests money that's my mother yeah that's my mother in other words they were farmers so booker t was the the model scientific farming making your own shoes bricks building your own building so booker t was a model for thinking pharmacy but then into her family development comes to be the voice and he was doing a study of fallen field virginia the migration of black people out of farm ville into philadelphia that laid the basis for his famous study the philadelphia negro so my mother's and you and the rest of us got it from the same source dr clark said clearly even though he was born in alabama and then moved across the state border to georgia so he was he was raised up he was in his life his grandmother his mother and his th grade school teacher evaline taylor i'm glad you mentioned that because i would want to gen john jackson but you know better oh yes that  those sisters know how to reach children you birth child you nurture them you raise them up and you know which one has that special something and which one needs some special care and which one can take special responsibility and so they saw out of the children the clark family that this one had a special spark and genius for learning and so they cultivated and even though he was helping his mother and grandmother because they did laundry and they had to drag the wagons over to take the laundry home but they treated him as a special leader from early on in his life he knew he was going to  queen mother and so there are dozens of us those who were very close around new york would include dr james turner who born and raised in new york but found his mission  he has a fantastic family history that we knew about but we didn't know about he was raised up and and talk and saw and but he was a good looking dude you know all of us have a little  but he played a sax i played a sax and then he wanted to play in clubs so his father who had invested so much in him show his interest was in the peripheral mean he would be john was interested in the music and he was involved in the struggle but when the father saw that the music might take him off of the struggle he got his car ready his truck had ron's stuff put in the truck his base was brandeis which was the jewish university he was helping to set up blacks as a pair but eventually he went to howard university so he became one of the leading players in times of africa at howard university that gave him access to to washington meaning the political things going on in washington so he went jesse jackson started moving politically who was the brain trust behind him dr ronald walters so he was based at howard up country and sixty eight in the middle of the struggles of the sixty six it was really a revolution with black hope cities were burning we were organizing black power conferences black studies emerged out of this african studies p married in november sixty four and we went to live in africa so we lived there for a couple of years one hundred and ninety five thousand five hundred and fifty six and then fifty seven i came back and that's when and the middle of the explosion in and america took the black power the urban the billions new york sixty four what sixty five various rebellions in socal riots in sixty six and sixty seven my hometown blue and while i was dead back from africa and had it in philadelphia and then eventually maybe brock and others got control of it and they took the black power conference and transformed it into the congress of african peoples so by nine hundred and sixty we were she had a consciousness of the triple a connection the african connection the native american connection and of course european connection which was a subsidiary of the us so shot she brought a african studies so she was white folks with a few blacks a couple of them from the caribbean a couple of them from africa we went there and sixty eight with the black power we don't we  four when i went down here to see what we could have a program in the congo she was working for and that's the united nations administrative structure trying to give the congo nation this new nation that was in chaos trying to the person who is responsible for all that is a black man from the bottoms of knoxville tennessee in other words he comes from a poor black community knoxville and  lincoln another african skala i have his book and here we got you you don't think about most of us don't know about and his name is know he was the leader of nigeria ok ok and of course where did he get his training he got it in the in america and he used it to become one of the great leaders in africa so what we're trying to say is there is this pin african relationship between those of us from america and those of us from the continent but what we can't leave out is the african family from the well i forgot his name one that didn't pass but he's from the caribbean and he's one of the giants was don rojas and i hate you know i had a fantastic experience and he's still trying to recover  area and his father did a great deal of teaching and eventually that this desire for knowledge spread to this his son and eventually his son became one of the leading pan african  o world and next time i speak i'll bring a picture of him on the cover of a book that dr tony martin who is number one tiger cubs of his base was at the university and tanzania but then he came back to established a base in south america which is guy hanna and eventually he connected to people  and atlanta that had set up the institute of the black mean and the person that set it up was not a target of a dr clark but a partner he was a part of dr clark and he was a part a conference at the university of pennsylvania with one of the nation of islam young leaders because they had sponsored the event and it's james turner and jeffries run daniels sins we went to see thurgood marshall a play and new york and he was treating me and then while we were having a little juice and something they have to he said you know dr j you and i have been on the same day i said no he said yes i'm going january th one thousand nine hundred and eighteen and i couldn't believe it and so this brother coming from the caribbean who is the conference african leaders two hundred of them all of these people that we know about pat moore from trinidad c l r james from trinidad russell kannan from guyana and and from jamaica you had leaders like dudley thompson in our a f uniform he was a he was he flew planes he was in the british air force at the same time and he was there in uniform at the same time he was there inferior but he said no because he had good training from the marxists and the socialist and england and so he was there to put his african and and marxist train together and say no capitalism and slavery of africans all born at the same time and created a whole economic dynamic because the key to the jeffries pyramid announcer's is economics is the st principle of the universe that's your creative productive community but in order for you economics to work you've got to have politics and politics it's a management before anything else of your economics but you're not a for your economics and your politics that work for you once you've got it together you have to have culture culture is the mind culture the deep culture tells you what type of economics to be and who to do your politics with and so that's what we have been about this economic political economic political and cultural dynamic that has revolutionized our pedi with the french speakers and then linked it to the caribbean and south america so you talk about someone blessed with a pan african mission and a pan african ideology and a pan african purpose  growth and development our world has been turned upside right from when i was born in one thousand and thirty seven the emperor haile selassie was attempting to touch the hearts of the european by reaching out from ethiopia and asking for help because the italian fashion is coming again at ethiopia and in three thousand six hundred and thirty seven he made this plea he was the only independent african nation at that time and he was an empire liberia a neo colony was there but not liberia didn't have the independence it was still under a new era so you had virtually  nation speaking for all of africa and that was haile selassie and they turned him down and he predicted they'll be difficulty because fascism will rise and so the fascism in italy rose to fascism in spain around  hitler rose and so the western world england france and these other nations now have to face this monster of fascism howley selassie have won them they paid him no attention and the hell was brought on the european world they had just got out of a hell and world war one in which one hundred million and which they is the europeans were devastated by destruction and then after world war one they tried to divide up africa and other places right taking the german colonies cameroon's tanzania and now maybe and giving them to france and england and what not but then you had this period of  war two rebuilding of europe and in order to rebuild europe you needed the wealth of africa and asia and so they had to harness it they don't mention that when they talk about the margin play it will go that's right play and all of africa then becomes important for the rebirth of europe and they put in place the economics which was the coal and steel community and the new european union was the politics and then the culture was the system of white renewed so they began to rebuild their will and then we helped them they needed us but then up people said wait a minute we want our self government and we hope that self go move to independence and so the europeans met and forty five in san francisco and june to set up the united nations to restore their world africans met in manchester england  and forty but his wife was being at the manchester conference and all of these others from guyana and trinidad and tobago and whatnot with their this was the english nigeria and this was the english speaking meeting to say we've got to restructure our world and we will have self government under the quota system but we will be moving toward independence and so one of the persons who was key was kamin chroma he came out of lincoln him from lincoln to philadelphia then he got this the spirit and the consciousness of the boys then another weekend they would go down to how university and there he would go to the hands very group little hansberry had come up with indonesia which was a wealthy part of the world indonesia said no we're going to con on and said no we've gone for independence self government in the pan is so you might as well turn your little dutch behinds back and go back to holland because you own dose to fight the and they start heading in the right direction nine hundred and fifty five dollars the african independent nations and self governing nations and the asian meet in indonesia the bank don't conference and who is at the bank don about but this this brother and nine hundred and forty seven dollars left seneca and he went to paris and he became a leader of the intellectual tradition in the french tradition and i'd like and others have followed him on the latest analysis similar to see a large ames by one of my tiger cub buddies just a few years younger than me dr wade nobles and his last great work is island of min necessary to create a dynamic so that for me the greatest revolution in human history was well unfortunately the greatest revolutionary disagreement history is turning out to be moussa tone and what the chinese achieved but in terms of our  history it's the haitian revolution haitian revolution was more of a revolution and the american revolution which was musical chairs rich white men with property and power and then slave africans was able to use that to to  called nation and then but the french revolution which occurred in the th eighties and nineties the french revolution was more of a revolution in american revolution because they wanted to destroy the existing fuel structure but they got caught up into killing too many people everybody's head was chopped off because the queen marie antoinette she said well if they're in trouble out there beyond the fence let them eat cake you've got cut off burned down the slave plantations cut off the enslave us and that was a real revolution it was a musical chairs and haiti had to pay a terrible price which is still paying through and they impose and devotees which are reparations that try and go thesis antithesis synthesis and and then we need to understand this is the african process the upright pyramid different collective value system this is the downturn pyramid the end balance pyramid and that's the european value system the three d's domination destruction and the african core value system is the three cs communal living together cooperative working together collective sharing together we don't need no artificial marxist leninist philosophy coming at us look at our people how they devise how you live in the and how you develop and devise you nations and america made a pact to make sure that he wanted the poorest country in the world what do you think of that no you are correct that's how the european does it even if he's fighting one another and when they see they to an object they come together put the little fight the side and then they come in haiti was to pay the price eternally for the enslaved throwing off his and slaver taking back his land and killing the enslaved now the europeans do that but they don't want africans to have that type of consciousness and so we need to see the haitian revolution as that because they were afraid that haiti and its revolutionary past year would inspire south america and it did seem long boulevard who had revolutionary ideas for the rest of south america actually came to haiti and got his armies and  interesting so you connect that to modern day so you got cuba and you got a check of good you've got to cut costs through and you got the inspiration that they had not only in the in the caribbean because there's a relationship like to see get a paralysis analysis and see our differences without seeing how we are coming together as a global family and we have a global mission if we don't put force our global mission god knows what's going to happen with the world because now the chinese have moved on the scene and the indians have moved on the scene at the world is on the scene the european world is on the scene and if we don't emerge to be the neutralizer for all of this domination destruction and bring them into our world and japan became an honorary white so much honorary that in south africa and this is a book i did on south africa talk about the japanese were considered honorary whites in south africa along with the collets and the borders meaning the dutch are the people along with the english they have a hierarchy china is necessary for the western world there's no going to there's not going to be a war between china and the western world they don't come to some agreement to work it out and establish that the key is africa you've got to we will share the exploitation of africa that's what this nut and the white house is trying to say now sit down  and work it out i love you i mean i just got a love letter from from north korea and then thing is to work out an agreement because the key is the exploitation of africa and this is the  chinese contribution to africa at this is the new center of the oh oh and you the african union malcolm sixty five he he wanted us to join this process of afternoon tea so he created  build this center and of course the chinese build it they have received every bit of it is typed up so you can even have a private meeting well the chinese showed the chinese need us but they became a member of the french parliament no you're you're believe you're talking about bloods done during world war you know and he was keen to france's survival because he got millions of africans to join in the fight against the germans and blais down became of an official member of the parliament of france he's an extraordinary individual coming out of that french culture and martin they can go out of lupin and beyond which is french guyana but the person that i'm talking about in reference to sin to go and reference to what we're doing is scheck on to jump master mind and this is the victory his great work civilization barbarism is the victory and  struggle for the african mine and the afghan heart and the afghan future and he comes out of a muslim background and sent to go and this trained french elite and senate go and then he goes to paris and he gets