from los angeles california we paying you that which is that which is is presented by john rogers the founder and spiritual director of am as a the movement of spiritual in our own where news a movement dedicated heart within each of us this seminars and titled are you lifting or oppressing your spirit right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the these oppressive things that we're dealing with are for the most part self inflicted some time next year's i think it's going to do a workshop on psychic self violence and psychic self protection that i just imagine will have to do it in a series of like four or five weeks in a row to get the information over to how many people want it's a very serious thing that happens when you're  being oppressive to yourself and most of us will say no i'm not not no i am not i am definitely not and you just definitely are doing it right then when you say that and this one the key indicators so i like to to just look at some of the indicators and they may show up inside of you a little bit and if they do there are ways to remove them to take them away there's probably  things that we say to ourself on a consistent basis that we think means something and that saying that and that it means something is going to change something for instance this one to your spouse your wrong you're just off you're wrong that's it the next day you have to say the same thing you're wrong you're just wrong that's it you're off that's it and two weeks later you have to do is say the same thing because this doesn't make him anything because you say that what it really does do is  start to pressure own spirit by the judgment of somebody else if i could ever get anything to over anyone really get it and they could really get what i'm sending them these words do not judge least you be judged is a terrible thing because the judgment is coming back upon yourself by and through yourself and it may not show up this year do some work today i've been having some lung problems here for about five six years and it was it's been pretty severe like suffocating and i said you know this thing gets severe so we start tracing and we are back in some far distance time like three hundred fifty years generations or incarnations and i did something and the thing that i did was it was neither here nor there i just did it but i i started dying in it and in the dying in i judged what happened i didn't judge the people that did it to me because i really felt that they were right to do that but what i did do is i judged myself for having done to have them do it to me three hundred fifty incarnations later we are now releasing the judgment of that time it was a real minor judgment it wasn't when these big things like you knew a law will go to hell and you'll burn in like jonathan edwards you know that in the hands of an angry god minister approach was anything like that was like oh my god i should know better for you to do that to me is a terrible thing for me to do that that's a judgment very very minor isn't it but when you die on that becomes very major maybe you know when you go to die you don't want to put these things in motion because you might just die right the next second if you don't know it's best to keep the energy flowing straight just keep it going out there all the time as a thing called i forgive myself for the judgments i forgive myself for running my ignorance is knowledge and then we suffer our ignorance because we think we should know which is a judgment against our self of not being present with where and who we are right now if you just come presidents who where you are right now everything around you starts to quiet down if you come present with what you feel about it won't work if you can present with your thoughts about something else it won't work this is what we call the psychic scatter we learn by repetition it's amazing process to learn it's a extremely wonderful what you start out at this point and you take off and you do things and you come around you do things and you come back around he come back around to do the same thing and it's not one thing after another it's the same thing over over and over for some metrics sake somebody new one there it is a matter of fact it is we keep doing this same process all over and over and expecting this resolve to appear out here we are manifesting a now i hate to do this by rays of hand so we won't but the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over open for other expected results they're not going to get on you're going to get these results because that's the way the body's built and that's the way the mind is built and the energy of life follows the thought and that thought the end kicks the motion of the gear and our behavior follows and then the behavior takes over and it starts to run backwards into the emotion and into the mind and into the thought and we're caught then they take you someplace to put you on a little slab in a room and put electrodes here in a shock you may say stop thinking like that and you go i swear to god i will just take those off me go we don't believe you because you said that too many times in the past we've got about three hundred fifty of these for you that's a lot five five five example maybe that's too many but we must do something to break the pattern anywhere that we have to change the pattern is the time to change the pattern if you think i've got to change the pattern right then is exactly the time to change the pattern right then is exactly if you say i'm going to give them a piece of my might right then is the time to go do that or stop saying you're going to do that it's right then this is a now type of existence if you're going to live if you're going to be in a state of being it's a right now thing it's a right here thing we have a young girl here that was learned when she goes home does her homework she gets a lawyer that she gets more educated she learns how to use a self more and short cut so you take this routine over and over and over you know better you know how to do better and you don't do that one tell you why because you don't think it's really go to work because the thought you've had in your life over and over have produced what you wanted and when you did change maybe you took a seminar an awareness training and you go i ha i got it and you go home the same don't got it in the don't gotta take over the i got it and you invalidate yourself once again with your learning and then you say why go to those things i don't get anything out of you know put anything into me either if you want to get something out of this you must consider the radicals concept of life you must consider it it's a mandatory thing that you don't have to do it but you must consider it then a few and leave a place where you have gained some light and  some transformational thing taking place inside of you you've got to consider that you may not go home to that same house tonight and sleep there you've got to consider that you're going to be going someplace else to keep maintaining the elevated consciousness until you've got it in there were no one can shake it especially the past environmental conditions is not a horrible thing husband just looks his wife to go home tonight she laughs that's ok you we home last night either and you're still the same guy you were before you have learned you know maybe you should be with more different people maybe not see we've looked at each other and we felt something go and we say when i look at two places living inside of me goes hello i like that i not only like that i love i not only love i'm desperately midi for it all the time then you know what we do we marry him and we stop doing it i can't i just can't believe it oh i can believe it but i just can't believe it just an idea what to believe everybody's doing the same thing i know we are a crazy world we need this relationship going to this one the do another just like the same thing we leave this go to another we do exactly this all we do is tackle it from different points and we try to mentally convert them all over to our habitual behaviors and addictions an emotional back demands to have whatever it is we want that they're not going to be able to give it to us if they knew if you knew that i want to have a sexual thrill side of me you can give it to me anyway i got to give it to myself by presenting me to those opportunities in order to have that you may be terrible if you are it wasn't you that was terrible it was me because i didn't take care of me you're getting some of this you're responsible for all of your beingness and your activity not as a condemnation not as a degradation not as oh my god how terrible you are oh my god look what you've done to your terrible self you terrible being you is just  that's a bad one for you you've just now started oppressing yourself and you're going to have some difficulties which you might have them right away if you're lucky you have the right van and that's over with sometimes we put it off we go to bed at night we start to dream about that and we wake up thinking it must be something wonderful i dreamed about why you program yourself all day with it of course you're going to dream about it you saw that horrible thing on  television and now you wake up screaming meanies with it you should why that's what happens folks do you understand that if you do these things over and over you get to predict the behavior you know if i can predict your behavior with a high degree of accuracy you are crazy crazy people do the same things over and over over over and over they do they don't do one thing after another because that's what we normal people ought to do i'm not normal my crazy kept me from going insane if i did do few things over and over i would just be out there thinking i'm walking in some big tight rope into nothing the habitual pattern of existence says come back and be safe with what you know be secure with what you've got it is going to happen know you're going to delude yourself into thinking that that's so except take too long to get up and leave that and that's safe and that was secure and that was your comfort and you get up and you leave it  how many people instead what i'm talking about here that means you've done that because i'm talking about experiences of life is that a bad thing no it is just another one of the ten  we do in one incarnation not this one the same thing over and over after another break in the pattern and you know what we want to break the pattern i listen to this idea we get married and we get this person we say you're it me you we're together for life forever this  and then we start looking around to see who else is out there that might be as interesting but that's not the guy we look out to see look what i've got compared to the rest and so we start to compare yeah you should look at all these i hear and go that was beautiful that was beautiful that was beautiful that was beautiful that was beautiful and just leave it alone that's a television that lights on that life that lights on that life that's beautiful that's beautiful that's beautiful best beautiful and that's it and this is what i love and go home with and stay with and these are beautiful they're wonderful and you can be in love with everybody and you just love them and you can just love them and you can love and i got your dad by the way and you can just love when you can just love tell your mom in assist terrific it's absolutely terrific but you've got to come into the terrific inside of you now listen get out of that thing you're doing right now inside of you right there not  you you hand off your face yeah you're the one i'm talking to get out of that thing you're in right now there you go that's ok because you're going to break the pattern of doing this if you have to call me a name to break the pattern get out of a call me name a break the pattern to get out of it because you to take the name because i don't hold the names personal you want to help people spiritual convergence find out where in yourself is the places of enlightenment and transferred them to the other person i don't know where the place of a bring your flashlight why whatever it takes to make you feel safe and secure and comfortable going into the nothingness of god you'd better take it with you or you won't go and i'm really serious you know what most people do they go down to the church go up to a guy who's a minister who stands up there at the bible electorate and he beats that thing in front of for you for forty minutes until you feel better and then you go home what has he done for crazy he had to have people come up one time have them beat on a for a while ok that's good beat beat you come at me beat on the sucker list we'll start changing some of the energies inside of us now we scientifically have come a long way in understanding our behavior and role modeling and and how to shake energy fields loose and bio energetics and just a whole lot of things even in the movie industry the technology of putting on shows are marvelous as watching each channel behind the scenes of making a movie i never go see that movie man they ruined it for me i want to go see that movie because i want to think that's really so you want to go to the movie because you don't think  so i suppose they do some movies for you people that this movie is so so come and see it but i have just never seen that title doesn't mean a thing but i do see i have recently been has been a couple must for we saw a movie just a few nights ago a couple months then two days go see a movie what's happening well i doesn't mean that i haven't gone to the theater it's just that when you're getting old like this you fall asleep easily i sit in the chair in the theater and i'm like this never is ok the person i start to go like this and then do you know what the people do around me they hit me in the ribs because they say th know that i'm snoring because i'm sleeping it even wakes you when i go i know that you don't have to bruise me you are saying you don't have to bruise me any more i told you  not much at all the people over here having fun you guys over here are just smiling except one guy will know he will when we have that person finds out that they're that person they're going to crack up and smile they're going to that was me i was taken him serious i haven't done a set a serious thing up here i don't plan on doing that but don't take this seriously you know what it is love that that is what this is really about it's not about posturing well it might be best not really it is about the freedom within you to do the spontaneous movement of your spirit and your mind and your emotion as it comes forth you think this is easy to get and try to do it you must stay free of everybody's expectations you must stay free of their opinions about what they think you should do if you're really who you say you are that's really what we're about otherwise you was the first one again somebody say i don't know what fast it should go fast so you don't have an invested interest in the outcome because if you do and the outcome doesn't come in the way you want it to you'll start to judge the process of god in the light and that judgment shuts you off it doesn't shut it off close your eyes for a second the light still on turn your eyes open your eyes is still on you understand it didn't go anywhere because you closed your eyes if you close your mind your heart the same way it's still going to be there but it's really difficult when someone hardens their heart and you want to touch them and you want to touch them there's one thing you've got to do it's a prerequisite i'm really not too smart so don't look for hidden meaning if somebody is hard in their heart or they're up tight and they're close down and you want to touch them to open their spirit what is the one thing you must do touch them that is what you do when i say touch them you come down and you touch me go hi how are you doing how's it go and how why are y it means to touch him this thing about everybody needs to be hugged so many times during the day is absolutely true but not squashed not monopoli to feel moved through because that opens our spirit the soul starts to vibrate with that and we feel somebody touch that kid and all the joys that god could do brought his mother chasing him because some things you just can't pretend you didn't do when you did do it but i was innocent because i didn't do it her husband did that is the truth  even that that was would we would consider to be sacred like private has also got to be able to be put out and looked at and smiled and elevated in the spirit we've got to be able to take anything and in the holy spirit and god's spirit we've got to be able to have a good laugh i don't know if you know but spiritual beings are very very funny severs laugh to prove your spiritual you all see all you dirty minds knew what the other part was that you just translated over because you're in lighten have joy have laughter sure you got a problem about what to do with your life and your body and who to do it with but you did laugh at yourself to be unwise or stupid but laugh  or you will find yourself oppressing your consciousness psychically my god you will be oppressing yourself psychically the demons of your existence will come forward and grab ahold of you will be having mass let me tell you what they will look like now that you know what the girl's punishment is for your own demonology why don't you get out of that yourself resist the devil and he will flee from you but you cannot do it seriously is pretty good with a laugh a lot of laughter folks a lot of it i heard a lady say laughing is in or jogging i merely shut up because i'm so tired stand there like this look at her come down and she came around the door like this and she had been a look at me and i just and i started cracking up like you don't come around the door like that you come around like a little girl who looks around the door and goes where are you then it got funny it was now it was my turn to chase her then after i found her turn to chase me i could bring the same spot so she'd know where to find me she kept going to different spots and just in case i did find her but did you ever notice that women are like that and the men are just tickled to death that they are but we chase them and say some until they catch u most people have trouble in your marriage because the laughter in the humor has gone someplace else you want replaced by loud arguing blasted laughter is preferred by everybody in the neighborhood to loud ar so if you take an independent survey you'll find out you'd rather hear him laugh than hear them fighting but i take it is kind need to hear fight once in awhile to see if there's some new words really wonder what that would be like you've done everything else there was nothing you promised me everything there was nothing watch you try killing for a little while see what it looks like made might be a good thing for you you understand the absurdity of it yeah you some of you who need that little bit more twist in the way to get the laugh we just gave it to you now you should be and we should have if done in humor starts to lift the spirit gossip is judgement laughing and poking fun and having fun about it lifts the spirit i'm not too sure the not every one of us in this room in my hand with my hands are up could always use more elevation of spirit because we're greedy and we want more sometimes though we've been in meetings where we've all laughed so hard and we just felt like we had the impact of smile from all the laughter remember those retreats that we went to and which is three or four days that i got to go home but i got to get the smile off my face  and you walk around night watching people sleeping in there just recently found out that they've now got a new game going in there that if the somebody snoring in the store monitor one of you have to give the car then they get in they have to monitor so people don't snore  but i got you or i walk over to you and tap you on the shoulder and say i know you were deep in conversation with god but it took me two minutes to get from over there when you were story to here now and you are caught because the fairness of the system is if you do that you deserve to get up and monitor so guess what's going to be happening from now on all you people that think you got rid of stuff have just been oppressing yourself and your spirit you haven't gotten away with one thing i wished we could get away with them because i could get away with them also to understand that i don't even get away with them and well who might i get away with them well i don't know i didn't do it long enough you think i'd get some yeah you get caught just like all the others it comes back to primetime voting for yourself as being responsible for being your own self in your own victim and your own victimizer and stopping that time we've been watching and listening to political debates i don't know if i want to call him presidential or vice presidential because it does sound like any of it to me that's just my point of view in fact i just think take somebody from this group to people and make him president vice president because we're not going to have anything worse than what we've got now i don't mean that as a political statement and that's not a political statement that is a statement about i think you also can do all of that because you've been so busy criticizing him for the last four years yet to know something about what you've been talking about but maybe we know nothing about what we talk about so we talk but you understand speaking is an extension of thinking and sometimes we don't know really what we're thinking until we say we go oh my god did you hear what i just said i didn't know that and you surprise yourself it's a real surprise to think that you can say something that you didn't know you were saying and it can be good i'm not surprised about it thirty years i've been doing this i have no idea most the time what is the next part coming down i get the script like one or two pages of time sometimes it's three or four lines of time sometimes it's just a diagram i go what the heck is that so i just reproduce it in the window and i look i go what the heck is that anyway now that i've done it it's nothing it's always been nothing is going to continue to be nothing but i think that it can give us guidance from out of nothing we can gain guidance now that same nothing comes oppression but you've got to go into it because there's no real other choice you can't stay in yesterday nor can you stay in to today and tomorrow is the nothingness that we're going to go into way you didn't do today very well no matter how smart you are it got in the way you understand the definition if some part of it got in the way and it keeps getting in the way maybe you're doing insane things and it might be time to change sometimes you can't because you don't have the money to move to here to move that there to move here then you move it inside of you and it costs nothing except your effort it only costs your time and it's not how big you are think you are it's how you really are that something has to be revealed to you by all the trials and tribulations that you call upon yourself if somebody is big enough to bring you this big heavy problem you are big enough to pick it up and move it if they can bring it to you you can dispatch it just know that if they can say it so big it could trample you down you can say so big that it won't trample you down but you've got to take control inside of there you've got to be in touch with the strength of your purpose the strength of your intention the clarity of your integrity you've got to be up against situations to learn how do you trust you and how far and what major and if you can't trust you need to say listen i don't know i can't trust me i don't know if i will or not can have some honesty and integrity working anyway and somebody who says that to you you go start to trust them because they're going to tell you where things are and how they are and what changes they're going to tell you you know that i think i said i'm going to do i don't think i'm going to i've been thinking about it doesn't look too good i don't feel good about it yeah i'm not going to do it and out of the lifting of the consciousness on that knowledge even where we are and what we're doing is like i'm so angry and hurt and upset ticked off in a suit you say that seems like it starts to go away because you've now said what is if you stay with what is the nonnes of time you get to be the authority because you're in spirit then there's no more oppressed spirit there's freedom then comes a form of liberation liberations when you get off the planet and freedom is how you are able to live on the planet freedom is not a license to drive down the wrong way of a road it's free to drive down your road because it doesn't bother you to do that that's really a wonderful fine thing for you to stay on your side it is a license to abrogate rules regulations on law it's free to be within them and fulfill them and not be bothered by them because their guideline is to keep you safe and sound so you don't become and are color radical our fast approach can become one where you just say life is to be lived be enjoyed and here's your space and here's mine i'll see it for spacing going the same place enjoy each other while we're in here i have enjoyed all  collectively a lot of you have just singled you out and have enjoyed you personally and i don't think anybody else in here was hurt because some i talked to like personally if i just figured maybe they need that maybe there's something else going on in that you were fortunate to be smart enough to send light and love to it that is when god starts to bless you that's when the holy spirit starts to take up residence inside of you because that action is one of serving an action of spirit the action of spirit is always one of service of giving you one know where you are in your spiritual progression look at your giving if you will know where you are in your materiality look at your receiving and watch you do with it no one else will have to tell you where you are in your spiritual progression you can look to your life and you decide that for yourself john rogers closing words where they rush they shan't which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free booklet about john roger and m s i a call 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