experience you must meet the book but i was curious in hearing because i had to privilege of watching it in the control room and it occurred to me because i visit your facebook page quite often that you do another kind contribution they made and in my case most of the big trees i write off from the running or i do some in the in the literary world in new zealand i've done i've done those as well and i guess in a way it's something i can do because i've i've got the kind of mind that can look at the whole picture and manage to encapsulate it in not too many words so i've had quite a lot of experience of writing doing that kind of writing  major figure in new york and we're all heartbroken and somehow i've got to capture the significance of his life and recognize you know why we're all feeling hot for him but not make you know not make a big emotional deal in it you know you get the you get the facts down and let them speak for themselves so it's a worthwhile job it's something that any culture should do you know which is an important part of the culture the new york times uses do that and pay tribute to people but also recall that their contribution to the history of the sport which i'm interested and compiling you mentioned alan started out i don't recall wh thought he was young but he did being unwell and he really and i wanted to hint at this without saying so he never really been him selfe since his wife died unexpectedly a year earlier and that that i wanted times and compiled something of a file of all these dropped the you can't possibly get it done now when somebody dies you might be on a plane or something and so you've got to be prepared to an extent is that we do we do have quite was completely gone basically the wasn't any how i'd managed to race through that last year which i had done yeah successfully on that nobody knows but i had until some point to know something rubbed against something and so then ability so he was sympathetic and i fully understood my my desire to be able to return to competitive sport unfortunately when he went into the knee he found it had and so now i'm in back in the experimental stage he's he's ten months old and i began running after about jogging you know shuffling after about three to four months something like been going up by one minute every few days and few few days ago i got to forty five minutes that's not continuous that's that's that's run a bit walk a bit with and i do some fast fast i'd hundred liters as well so it's still all it's the absolute best to the half minute mile stated it's not fast but and i'd like it to get faster and maybe it will and maybe it would i don't know that some people would be too well or to be able to to t yes well the main reason for that i think will is that before russell the right knee had been bad for so long i really hadn't run a step for about five or six years whereas the gap this time has been much less and the surgeon marc said to me well it's your choice he said sooner or later you'll need a replacement when you have the time we were trying yes with the left knee and we were trying injections they really worked in a limited w way i've tried to be a bit more cautious than that and i think it's important you can't expect a body to adjust to something like this overnight you've got to give it time you go to work you go slow the strength of it and as you say i'm trying to do it's like a fast of this runners so i have a suspicion that before that something about shoes attracted to you what is it about shoes well there wasn't any place to get running shoes fact that there wasn't any running shoes in most stores if this is back and what type this  seventy six so i had a truck i was out of work all sun i came up with this idea of let me sell shoes at the truck so i assembled probably the best selection of running shoes in the world in a truck and took them to races and took on the schools and that's how it started we had a very good selection of running shoes out of the truck probably the best selection of running shoes you can get but with the brand names in those days i can remember patrick and blue ribbon sports which was nike which we couldn't get to d d s because we didn't have a store so i did have standards yeah right and we had new balance was one of our first and yeah that's how we incidents i can remember we had dolphin shorts which does a curly beautiful bit tiriel soft material i can remember we were parked on ninetieth and fifth and some woman who had a skirt on she was lifting up her skirt to try these shorts on and there was a couple almost accidents on damage of people looking at this woman trying on the shorts or you didn't have a read on the theory it was speaking of women so did you have women shoes as well at that time there weren't really weren't any woman shoes we just saw the size of them down you know what did you have women custom of course we had  eventually you open up supervisors you're in if well known to founder of supervisors shops right there was a precedent to that well you know i swore i'd never get into a store but what happened the demand was so great at the time that i couldn't even if the we went to schools and went to locations people didn't call in the house you know home phone for me to deliver shoes to them and so we actually had to open up the store in huntington which was off first store in long island in long island and  seventy seven seventy seven ok first door was in my neighborhood third avenue or seventy second right i walked by the other day it closed as close it's close yeah well i think they've had a tremendous amount of competition you've got the vendors now opening up their own stores you've got new balance reebok nike just a block and a half away from member beating you seen you there i don't know who you were when i met you at the seventy second store seventy second street but i remember you had this great guy working for you the great mike go go haney yes michael haine go haynesville he was with us a very long time probably close to twenty years we had some very long time he was certified to do authors which is an expert  came right after the you know the manufacturers the apparel came right after that what about women's clothing that that kind of came later also did you have running skirts what was the most popular running for no i don't think we ever had running so we did not have running skirts in those days we had women shorts that fit and the tops and draw well yeah bras came later because they came later so how did you train did some of your associates and women because how do you train  i mean you had to have some women on staff i mean that was not very comfortable for most of the men to tell women what size broad they should wear or how broad is look right well i guess you said you had training for shoes if you go out all the training for  it's like any other store you know to work at did you have family members involved oh yes my wife did we used to we used to work in the store and the guys would go out for a run my wife would be working while we were out running you know so she was she's been an intricate part if not the most important part i had like six or seven vendors that i had to buy from and she had probably a hundred you know where socks and shorts and tank tops and jackets and hats and whatever she had all those accounts to deal with a maze thing you know eventually i think you sold the super shop story i just go around in new york and i think i have at least six or seven times  grand central has a store in a few other places so they do retire once you sold the store rich i'm retired on the should visit the for two years now i hear rumors you might be coming back yeah it's a good possibility because i don't like katherine next year your fiftieth anniversary of first running past what are you thinking i gotta tell you it's it's like it was yesterday running the horse why fifty years fifty years ago i mean just i shoes leather shoes sounded you know scraping and they were going  fast he grabbed me by the shirt and threw me back and you know it was reprisal all the time but you know i do the commentary the boston marathon now every year and i'm watching the progress of the race that the evolution of the women of the different countries coming to the fore the the issues and stuff so so every boston's amazing story it out totally misses but this time you got to run it and you're going to have a team with you want to get to him first of all get a story you know in the boston marathon now a number meaning fearless in the face of adversity and it's more now into five a one c three charity called two six one fearless because everybody was relayed to this number say that number makes me feel fearless in the face of adversity so we harness this in is made a foundation that is and has a series of clubs events training programs merchandising and of course you know they're going to be the beneficiaries of charity that we have now with the boston athletic association for the boston marathon next year the twenty seven team or april seventeenth twenty seventeen you know what six months from now and if you want to run with me and you want to be on the starting line with me you have an opportunity great to listen to some openings yes there are go to dub dub dub two six one fearless dot org right on the home page there's a link and you get all the information about joining us and don't have the option of running with you i'm not going to say they can run with me because if i'm going and i'm going well and they're behind me or if they're up in front of me i'm not going to hold them ok but they they we will all be together at the start of the ports and then you'll start a pasta together the night before we're going to  party down with some beers afterwards it's going to be a week long celebration for sure the amazing thing though is is that we talked about this earlier you know in life we don't get many fiftieth anniversary yes and so this is th yeah absolutely absolutely we're going to you know we're going to really amazing time but i think i think also it's really serious in terms of the fundraising aspect is i think it's tough for anybody of course at boston they say it's not they you know they raise millions and millions of dollars in boston but but the money that the women raise are going to go is going to the foundation which is going to help women be empowered through the vehicle of running and we're hoping to reach women in the mid east north africa and and difficult places you know running has changed so many women's lives it's been transformed it's it's transformational we know how it's changed our lives and empowered us we really want to get that message out there to as many women as possible and so the funds are going to go a long way to create training programs  spain not a bad place to go but most recently we also franchised the number to china so we're going to have a very very big event in china in late two thousand and seventeen you're going to be there obviously yeah yeah sure you got to be there it'll be the first international women's marathon in china which is going to be very very special it's very special because you know china is a big boom in place and oh yes and in there's a whole generation of women coming through now who are not necessarily dependent on farming ri being married to somebody they're you know educated independent women who are becoming very empowered and strong and we want to help help that culture no your first marathon in boston now you've clothing must be a tremendously different the first year you probably had to make your own clothing at that time i did i did i used to make my outfits but of course in sixty seven everybody remembers me wearing this baggy grace wet suit but you try to explain that it was thirty four degrees and sleeping in a headwind and everybody was dressed like you know even though i had on cute little shorts and top underneath me and i was wearing everything i own that day to stay warm but so yeah of course the baggy grace what suits back in fashion you know that yeah yeah but yeah the evolution of clothes i  i think i remember talking to you about creating running skirts because the men's shorts were so chafey and horrible that i wore a little skirt so that my thighs would chafe that has become of course a running fashion but now hey listen you know we talk about retail and running women you know or natural born shoppers and and they they're leading the retail industry and shoes and running clothes right now and fashion is an transformational for women and and we're really hoping with two six one fearless to really reach out and to take the the message that is made all the women listening and watching today and men too so empowered  and full self esteem from running we want to reach women all around the world because we've seen it change whole societies and so i thank everybody and you for the support thank you so much for stopping