are really taking in what the regenerative the sign and so we're going to speak about that very completely so i'm going to jump into the mix leaves a question and i want to you to help us by the air the water the things that can't be owned by any one of the things that are that are common to all of us and that rightfully should be and so you can you know we're not going to own the oceans we're not going to on the moon hopefully so and there's a deeper it's not just the physical aspects of the commons it's also our humanity our common humanity the things that that are really not to be hoarded or taken d that no one can really tell us differently like within certain of course agreements so and so that's commons and we'll come back to the kind of commons we mean in what and how we're organizing comics but it commons so let's look at the word regenerative in the eighty's everything was going to be green right and then the ninety's in two thousand was going to be sustainable but both of those words are are kind of been co opted you know in some ways no one really knows what truly sustainable means in some ways if you look at what nature does to just be sustainable would not be to grow life it would just be to maintain the level of life there is and so we're actually when we look at how do we create a future that's a positive future that heals or many you know ills of humanity  but there's also the natural resources and you're saying let's go beyond sustainability that doesn't service any longer let's go into being generative so that we as humanity can thrive yes and so for that we might need some new ways and some new ways of organizing that commons yeah but you if you look at the way society is structured and it's driven mostly by our economy because some can save in governments or just serving the economy if you really look at the economy is god in some ways in the society economy is king and so what you have now is your business is nonprofits so you have enterprise you know and that's a way of organizing human and that's really good for delivering the goods you know that's that's if you've got a product or service we've got it down and how to get that delivered in scale to the to the masses and you have governments that are that are creating  it tends to be those products and services attendant tends to be well we call in that in the right occurrence you project a very object oriented view of the universe it's very much let's create the stuff and the stuff will lift humanity and there's no doubt that capitalism in our present economy has delivered a lot of lifting out of poverty from or at least lifting out of the tribal way of life some argue that that was a good move or not but if we're going to have a planetary society caplets definitely delivered the goods but it has some some inherent faults along the way and at the same time that it delivered the goods it created a system that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and that the the delivering of the goods results in a concentration of wealth and we're actually creating another kind of poverty and this is a problem a basic flaw that capitalism needs to to solve and so there's two basic flaws with our present economy one is is the rich get richer the poor get poorer and i won't go into a technical discussion of that it is pretty much a provable thesis it is what's happening if you look historically and it's pretty much built into the way our economy is structured but the other thing that's that's not working even if you fix that if you didn't fix the fact that we have an extract of a car where we extract wealth from the bios and we extract wealth from people in a way that's not sustainable you just can't keep doing that forever on the biosphere level you can destroy your life giving get past its support system you know those of us there live didn't in oregon this last month we get a little glimpse of what it would be to not have clean air for a long time scary it was scary and you start to get like oh we can actually affect the biosphere in a big enough level where we might not survive so we have to solve that in the present way of organizing our society mostly through our economy is driving us toward an extraction of the planet that's just not s but the other reasons even more fun which is people aren't having fun isn't there a way to to organize our economy that where people have and so this comes back to the commons is is can we create a different motivation center rather than producing products and services and making a profit at it and so a lot of folks  are focused on trying to fix that by then dating in full cycle costing in various types of things that try to say well you know if we can fix the present company we actually see that  at its root there needs to be some basic answer that way of organizing is not to to have a revolution against the economy the economy has a lot of good parts of it we don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater we really need to build upon the good parts of the of the present economy knows how to deliver the goods now it just needs to know how to deliver human value and and have humans decide what they want to do together from a higher ethical and spiritual or religious or however you relate to that higher place and we need to do it in a collective in a collective process the present governments are simply not capable  present governments are pretty much there just to maintain the order of those businesses and its prices so you're inviting us to create a new commons you're inviting us to say ok there's the comments of the things we need to take care of we need to take care of that capacity of earth yes because those resources are scarce but there are also other resources that are abundant and those resources that are abundant we can create something with it talking about what we're kind of like proposing a new way of social organisation and it's not only a a very specific local potentially where we're going to use it but it's also scalable it maybe it was the research development of ecological technologies or maybe it was the research and development of new ways of doing decision making new ways of living together some some regenerative corporate this are ways of creating the com exactly  cooperatives is a good example but we're actually going beyond the legal definitions to something that's kind of a non legal entity it can it's made up of legal entities it can be made up of business isn't non profits and civic organizations and government can be about involved but basically what we're saying is if we can define certain commons certain it's a membrane it's an organisation it doesn't have a membership necessarily doesn't have a governance necessarily it will get to that in a minute this is where some of the new tools that we have are allowing the commons in to exist in a way that hasn't existed in the past but we have a new ways of doing peer to peer decision making and peer to peer sense making that allow us to create new ways of organizing so specifically in its kind of technical but then i'll kind of bring it back out to the to the common understanding but right now there's a whole bunch of folks in the internet all excited about the block chain and all excited about distributed autonomy and that's a new way of organizing it's the idea that there you could have a trust proxy in technology internet and for those of you that understand that you know what i'm talking about for those that don't know just bear with me for a second to imagine that you could do  is kind of an example but you can do a a platform where and this is how this crypto currencies are working is that you can create ways of organizing where the decision making is kind of i encourage folks there aren't quite sure what i'm talking about to to study distributed autonomous the geeks love this this is like how the the the the how the world will will countable commons so what we're talking about is a way to have a membrane in this is this is why and this applies locally so you can have a small group of people locally or or a study group or a church group or whoever you want to be and you can say let's do something together let's have a purpose together but you could invite people in on the internet from far away and the question is how do you create trust in decision making with local people or people on the internet and so we have a set of tools that we're working up in the med a currency project in village lab there are tools both on the economic level on the decision making level and on the culture creation level of how you create that sense of us this that sense of of who we are together and those set of tools together is what we call  which we go but we need both because without it it will the latter would fall and so you're speaking about technology very concretely and you're saying there's these new these two bit technologies and when i understand the block chaney's like these babak ledger that everybody has access to it's accessible to everyone but no one can can coopted nobody can transform it settings viewable by everyone and he has a certain degree of safety and people are running wild with it but they don't understand that there's a high price in energy consumption that comes with it and people don't know that beach gonna want to mention these for our audience at least point east standing on top of the block chain so what you're saying and part of  over the of the notation is that oh plug cheney said incredible thing because it showed us that we can decentralise money yet you know there's other purposes of the block chain and you mentioned decentralized tunnels organizations you mentioned the dow but you're saying conserve what we're talking about and bill in village lab we're more concerned with the social equivalent of the sovereign economy and the social aspects and the cultural aspects of and so what we're basically been doing is working in small groups in a way that uses both the technology of block chain and beyond in the end the good news you mention that black chain has a bottleneck has a couple a serious bottlenecks actually one of them is kilowatt hours the energy it's a it's a model based on nature again it's a model based on receptivity it's called scepter is the name of the the software it's built on and it's really it allows for the building of these commons and when we couple that with what we call process arts the the art of how do we circle together the art of how do you do we do we put forward a purpose to get and organize it like we're talking about before there's a certain membrane you can draw around that and we draw from from some of the churches from some of the christian art on this and from the quakers there and from the indigenous people this is not new what we're talking about the tribes and indigenous people and some of the religions of old have been doing this for millennia we're putting a different face on it where you don't have to join a church or a cult or a or believe in a certain set of beliefs to join this comic but we're taking the positive parts of how the art of creating an ethical teener the art of creating a cultural set of values around a commons that does represent a membrane and it's not a membership organization waste when you step across that meant let's talk about stepping across that and what we want to do in this commons is to say what you're doing already that's a really good that we like keep doing that that's why we're inviting you it we don't require you to do anything different but we do require for you just to ask how could you do that in a collaborative way with the other people in the commons it's really that simple it's an ethical stepping across on the consciousness level from a competitive space to collaborative and as you come into that that commons you're given the tools and to to continue to have more and more fun as you come in so there's a set of principles on leaving economies and  nature to do it best so i hear get my growers if you're going to come into the commons it's great that you have you are halfway you need your needs need to be met but you also want to grow hours you want to make sure that every time you do get something you bring something in right and so there are certain principles of that in which people are invited to cross that membrane and you've mentioned several times has to be fun so nature you know there's not one single  system so a writer would you know see the one growing in that this surge that so you there's people that won't fit in all the comments that are specific so you want to develop that so this is where the skill ability comes in and  one of the beautiful things about holiday is it's fully interoperable on the technical level as well as the cultural level we need to build into the commons the ability to scale to interact with other commons in a way that creates even more com then a way that doesn't compete in a way that lifts each other up again so this kind of a product you know the protocol within the commons the basic consciousness imitation is find a way where what you do is collect and then between commons the basic protocol is let's find a way where what the interaction between our commons can declare what's really the saddle it's a powerful bit subtle shift  our present economy has us in the scarcity mode and in thinking comparative and when you can get in a collaborative mode what's possible is huge so yeah if you're coming to our commons this specific commons we're talking about some local commons or some purpose built commons and you're having fun for a while and then you find god i've been invited to this other commons and it feels better feels more aligned to what i'm doing great wonderful we have the we don't know in you or the you're just giving your gifts it's a gifting orientation you come in you give what you get if you go to this other commons and you start to really resonate there wonderful where you're just strengthened the relationship between th s by being in your right place and we can start to imagine these commons being kind of like a a regional or national or global set of agreements that can really alongside of the existing governments and the existing civic organizations the existing churches and the existing economy really lift up humanity but organize us in a way that salves the big problems that we have at hand so can you give me an example of a common thread you're working on now yes so so we so we have we have presently have four businesses and we're organization mostly businesses profit making business is in spain they're part of a commons there they call it a monitor god they call it it's a cooperative we there's been an another famous one come up and if people who are in that field especially for start from new zealand move to the bay area called and spiral yeah s p i are a it's a small group of software companies that have that recognize if they work together and collaborated they all would each need a lawyer each need a c need an office they could create this cooperative collective they actually have gone beyond those terms called inspiral we have one that we've been starting with in village lab and so we have  that represent software human process systems the new currency space that we've been tracking the not the medicare it's the space and the building of actual villages the the seeding of eco villages in india is specifically and we have a funder involved as well and so we're approaching these four and we have a fifth organic food company  a gentle drying technology it's very revolutionary and so we're bringing in some very grounded business is that are you know producing food as well some of some software businesses that are very much on the theory and tools part of it as well as the process arts people that are looking at the how do we do the commons which is village lab itself as well as the people there working at the new currencies and we're bringing them all together and we're talking we're operating as a collaborative as a commons and we're we're we're setting down the prototypes of how do we decide things together how do we distribute the wealth how do we raise the wealth and we're doing it as a sovereign accountable commons where everyone in inside is sovereign but they are accountable to each other and the whole group is sovereign and that's that's our ground example and that's the work we're doing to grow this so for example you're go  to that development will be recognized in some way but they don't have to be part of that company necessarily that company that's developing that within the the the commons can hold their own sovereignty they can decide their own intellectual property boundary they can say what's there is and what but the other people in the commons are all helping them and so let's say someone else over here contributes something really one day they're sitting around and they're trying to solve a problem  boom they gave an hour but that hour was worth like so much because they really you know in energize that effort there's a way that we track we have a another group called co maker e but there's a way we track their contributions to think get revenue sharing in equity sharing in a way that works but they don't have to be part of it so it is working it is an actual model that we are building the tools and