life my first introduction to hilo and ancient filipino art of healing was in my own home in long island my parents and grandma would deep massage my arms and roll my fingers in a circular motion and then pull hard and i would then do it back to them not knowing that it has been a practice that has been passed down from generation to generation today the practice has spread from the deep bru areas of the philippines to the hands of filipino novices and professionals in the healing arts community across the world and somehow in my living room in long island growing up i have been her music and ability to read and transmit energy to encourage others to speak their truth and follow their life's purpose she is also in the early stages of forming a collective a film stiller and artist called we are all so happy to have grace a thug or a family who is not a boodle mungo god was raised in indigenous healing arts in the philippines and she's the author of the book the healing dance a fusion of massage and asian feeling as a registered nurse since one nine hundred seventy eight she has a successful integrative holistic quantum nutrition health coaching practice for detoxification from traumas contributing to chronic health challenges such as ertl bottle syndrome recurrence of your nerve tract infections poor sleep patterns chronic pain from arthritis and warm and energetic and motivated grandmother of a four year old grandson and a two year old granddaughter she is a role model for women over sixty years old free from overwhelming doctor's visits and a long list of medications grace brings out the best in her clients ability to be healthy happy and successful so my first question to you shana is how did you get into the world of healing arts so i had just graduated college and this was twenty sixteen and i was extremely depressed had crazy anxiety because i just wasn't doing what i intended to do so i was watching you tube videos obsessively of taro card readers and after a couple months of doing that nonstop i picked up a deck of my own and started reading for myself and for other friends and a lot of people were saying oh my god this is crazy why why are you reading my life to filth right now  and i had always thought that this was just you know a mainstream thing and come to find out that this is something that a divination tool that our ancestors have used for many many years alongside you know t intuition and that kind of scorned me but now that i'm aware of of you know intention and intuition i always encourage my clients to really just go for it  i feel like we all have that i don't know they always call it women's intuition and i feel like it is true we and i do have that sense of the vibe surrounding someone and you just tell that they have like positive vibes  just good intentions and grace have at you how did you get into this world of healing arts well i was already raised in such healing art so which means that whenever we are sick at home so our first go to person would be my mother or my grandmother and the un to use in the rest of the family so that zero zero zero already here they were doing it primarily as a means of living but in a family where i grew up works i do it all the time but i feel like it's not just like a filipino practice i also like in asian culture they rely a lot on pressure points correct so you travel all over the world especially in third world countries are developing printers there you are so that's what i do when i travel i try to variance what's offered in the local community how is how is the look different from a chiropractor or a spa massage hill you don't know the hill comes into play how you use the herbs how you use prayers how you use songs and there's always especially those trained from the old days there's always a combination of the ri you'll be surprised how much they know filipino here a lot are well known to to help people who are special women who want to get pregnant and there are really  so my personal opinion is that we all have psychic abilities it's just a matter of tapping into it i know we were talking about who we are tarot reading is just a divination tool that helps you tap into your psychic ability and your intuition not me scary as if you could tell something that i don't want to hear it's it's more it's not so much something that you don't want to hear or maybe it's something that you already know and that you don't want to shine light on th issue for example a lot of my clients who will approach me with certain boyfriend issues just the plainest example you know is my boyfriend cheating on me you know i'm i  feel like i'm too attached to my boyfriend or something along those lines the tarot cards will show that to you it's just kind of a reiteration of something that you already know that maybe you need the confirmation of because that' thing with tarot is i like to i like to tell people that it's it doesn't have to be super specific like there's no way that the cards are actually going to pulling tell me plainly tell me your man is cheating on it may say that there is some external energy that's toying around with your relationship or i can get that intuitively but it's more of a general sense and i don't really like to use my tarot card reading for you e yeah the hottest haro help with the well for me personally tyro has shown me a lot of things that i didn't want to see like i was telling you i was really attached to somebody who was very unhealthy for me some like to call them a karmic partner and the tarot cards or would continuously show for example the devil card or the card but i was still trying to make things work with this there's still free will right so even if if i'm telling you you know maybe this person is not the best for you you still have the free will to decide well even if they're not the best for me i'm still going to stick around with them as and ultimately it's  to be a practice of you wanting what is best for you and practicing self love always so in terms of of feeling torn i know that your practice also has a registered nurse is there anything that is actually that clashes between what you've learned as a registered nurse and what you practice as a healer well there would always be a conflict because you know i'm as an indigenous healer from that's coming from the traditional western medicine yes however that's where now the indigenous healing arts wisdom comes into play so if and back to the t connection with that this once you know your truth once you know yourself you will know how to play with what's offered to you hope i'm curious was there ever a time when you see when you saw a sick person and you wanted to prescribe traditional healing indigenous healing versus medicine traditional western medicine and what did you will eventually i'm glad i'm well i'm glad you ask us i have twenty years in critical  the families ok because the client in the patient in i c u they're very sick with most of that then they can talk to you but the the family if i listen to what they want in healing you have to be pres to what the other person intention is so then do you support that intention to save the other person and no one is actually sick when a family member was both because the family sometimes you connect it's complicated offer what you have known since they come to you first as a nurse so i offer what they believe in the know many times when it doesn't work anymore that's when we suggest another when the freeze comes in there so we don't know as when i was thirteen or ten my father was diagnosed with cancer and then he was given like lung cancer it was a few months to live and then you know i think it's important that you believe the person ready because you have been hearing this morning there's been a lot like the will to live in anything that we do belief is important you know and that's already proven in science and it's not that it's different or synonymous but in being a he looked there has to be some face in there and when you just think if you really have faith in something you can even try to relax and  it something we should not believe in there are we going to sin i come from a christian background well i'm not so much involved in the church now but because of my christian faith that's kind of what got me into terror card reading there was no professor who taught me this is what this card means and therefore this is how you go with your clients it was all faith and i was just simply at a low point in my life and i was asking god to use show me what it is that i'm  missing so in some ways depending on who who believes that's where i think it can go with your christian or catholic faith and in other ways it may not if you've heard it said that bad magic so there are light light workers who have the intention of bringing out the best in people and showing people what their best abilities are and then there are some people who simply ship however there are some people who have abilities wills you know sometimes i do pick up on people who have passed away but i tell my clients i am not a medium i would i know somebody who you somebody like you are supposed to be traveling don't want that to be the you see that in those terms something like that somewhat like i can that is more so intuition at that point like i will feel it in my good like i'm not getting a good feeling about you going on this trip i will say that again that's up to you but just the consent to do that typically what i recommend if you're not asking for a reading for me is make sure they have a website make sure they have references people you know ask around ask if they've done readings for other people and ask them how well it's all relative for myself i charge what to some people may seem like an exuberant amount and to some people will see it as an investment towards their healing and towards their health but that's also why i do sliding scale for those who may not be able to afford it other people and this is also why i decided to do tarot reading professionally because i had experienced somebody like that in soho actually read my problem and then she read my cards and then said your solar plexus shocker is really blocked for x amount of money i can on block that who are you know and that's how they get you they get people who are in their lowest of lows because they can see that vulnerability and that's why now my last question really quickly is what is one way we can instill a more spiritually healthy life