while in france with his students at the time from this experience what is known as a near death experience he was actually pronounced dead and claims he went to heaven where he met jesus beings of light and the tools of god he has written several books on this particularly one called my descent into death originally published in two thousand we will have a four part series starting today in which howard is going to discuss his complete experience making the transition from the body to the other side so they will be part one sure you stay tuned to hear all of his valuable insights that he gained from the beings of light while he actually met from the other side he will also discuss the life review that he had with god when which revealed his true life purpose i personally learned more about my own life purpose by listening to howard story you will be surprised to hear what the angels told him how questions such as what is life like on the other side and why he didn't want to come back to earth we will also cover how to deal with challenging situations such as health problems on forgiveness here on earth from a heavenly perspective i am super excited to hear about heaven in detail and all the glorious details from howard i'm very honored to have him as my guest today the book i'm currently writing is based on a lot of his teachings it's called wearing your earth jacket and  releases in late two thousand and eighteen how it holds an m b a an m f a from the university of california berkeley and later became an art professor he currently lives in cincinnati with his wife he is currently serving as a pastor in the united church of christ over there are a viewer as well join me in welcoming howard storm to princeton new jersey welcome to the show howard thank you very much for having me oh really glad to be here today so for the viewers who haven't heard of you can you just give us a apart i was an atheist at the time but due to my desperation i i prayed and i called out to jesus going back to the faith that had as a child of the he came and took me out of there i had a life review and then he invited me to ask my and then you came back and you said you don't want to come back but you came back so how long did that whole experience take i mean a matter of earth time it's actually impossible to make the comparison but i know that it took me three and a half years to go to graduate school and this took longer ok ok and so you were an atheist when this happened yes and now you're a pastor yes ok so obviously this had a huge impact on your entire thought process in your life i  eighty degree course change ok so the first part you said you went to the cesspool where there were negative beings who took you from your bed in the hospital can you speak more to that part before we talk about how know it's interesting because i know that they were people that had lived in this world and because of their and difference or hatred to god and to what god stands for they didn't want to go to heaven they didn't want to be with god so  d gave them exactly what they wanted which was separation from god the thing that's sad is in that place what makes it hellish is them it wouldn't have to be that bad but  they their behavior goes on restrained and they just act out all their worst instincts so before this experience did you think any of this stuff was real that there was a place that existed where they were almost like a purgatory like you said and that i haven't or have been to hell that you ever give much thought to that i had when by the time i was a teenager i had come to believe that the whole religious thing was a fantasy for people that were basically delusional weak minded and that intelligent people like what i thought i was and what all my friends at the university thought they were or  for children and for adult brain people that we knew way better than that well so when you first came back to life in the hospital where you said you were blind and deaf that i read that correctly  became blind and deaf not and then you but now it obviously are not so you got healed yeah but i was in the hospital for months and the doctors all agreed that it was a miracle that first of all i survived the  it's going to go so i see you guys know all right well so how did your family react to this this new howard who came came back from heaven they didn't react well to it all because when i came back i was fanatical obnoxious about wanting to get them to believe the things that i had learned and experienced and they hadn't had the experience showed to me it was just i mean to them it was just madness crazy talk ok so can you speak more of the actual experience when you have went to heaven for example how did you know you were in heaven what was what was the feeling you know were there words being communicated well what was heaven like well jesus is a great teacher and he spoke to me telepathically i mean i could distinctly and clearly hear his voice speaking to me and he knew everything i thought so the communication was very rapid very instantaneous i mean whatever i thought he responded to and lots of things he answered with dialogue in a number of things he  chronological order and painful detail that was actually not a lot of fun after the childhood period but when i saw him in the past us we went back to like world war two and we went back to biblical times and all kinds of historical things what about your life for them so we all have a life of you when we first go go to be god after we die almost all near death experiences talk about a life review but it seems to be quite common  said that was painful you know because i was living my life trying to achieve for myself and it was made quite clear to me that that's not the purpose of life the purpose of life is to be compassionate and loving towards everybody around us and i totally messed it i flunked i flunked life one hundred one so how do we be compassionate and love people like it's easy to love people who are easy to love how do you love the difficult people are we are we supposed to love them too we are we're definitely supposed to love the difficult people because they're the ones who need needle love for i mean and it's so easy to love as you said the people that are lovable and love us back so it's very very hard and that's the curriculum here it's not all you know easy stuff that we're supposed to do it's very very hard to look difficult people and we need the guidance of the holy spirit the guidance of god to love them and sometimes that love might be tough love and as god helps you personally in your journey of loving people i ask god say about forgiveness or what was communicated to you about you know forgiving others while you're on earth and just the forgiveness concept in general that's a pretty hard one for a lot of people are i think forgiveness is what keeps a lot of people spiritually stuck where they can you know whether you're religious or spiritual you can move to the next step because you know that person heard me or you're holding on to some form of resentment and that also causes illness in my experience so what about those people how can that help ritual one of the reasons why i want to be forgiving is because as you said forgiveness and forgiveness can actually make us sick but it can certainly make us emotionally psychologically  ill and i don't think it's part of human nature to be forgiving matter of fact i think the opposite is part of human nature is to want to wreck havoc on people that do injustices to us to be as vengeful as possible and the bible says no that's not right and that we're to be forgiving and we were forgiven so one of the lines that christians say with which can be everything absolutely everything if we want to if we want to take to god god wants and really appeals to us to be that way towards everyone else it's for our own benefit and for their benefit so if you're not doing it for them do it for yourself and but you've got to have asked god to have that spirit because without god's help i don't think you stand any chance of being a forgiving person ok so you mentioned that the purpose of life of course of your life or one of the main purposes functions of your life when god told you to come back was just to love the one you're with and you said you want to build god a shrine somewhere you know do some great  and all he said can you talk more that well i was shocked that jesus told me that i had he and god didn't want shrines he said that's for people that's not for us he said just love the person  argued with him about how that was a much of a plan and he told me not only was that the plan it was the only plan it was god's plan and that's only where this world is going to change and i think there's another incentive to it not only do we want to world to change but i think that in this time that we live in it looks like we could be headed for a catastrophe in terms of human relations and ecological disaster if there isn't a real meaningful hard change in this world so i think anybody that cares about their children about their grandchildren about their own selves needs to get on god's program which is to become more that when you had your life of you you felt like you could have done more if you hadn't done enough oh i was i had failed completely because i had put my own selfish needs ahead of the needs of others which is really one of the main characteristics love is to put the interest of other people ahead of your own and you also mentioned that some of the great things that you did god god didn't really acknowledge like during your life review i guess you said you had some rewards or some amazing you know human to human judgment and god kind of war love that like impacted you on the hard level yeah ok and what would you say to atheist people who don't believe in god or you know even your story well i love atheists because i used to be one of them and all my friends were atheists and  i i think that atheists need to be challenged in their thinking and so i like to think kind of confrontational with atheists and you know ok give me your best shot and i want to give you my best so i like to you know toss the ball back and forth with them because frankly i don't think they have a leg to stand on why not because they're on belief it's not  defensible and especially when you compare unbelief to the experience i'm talking about experience of millions of people in this world over thousands of years the overwhelming majority of people in this world have believed in god and believed in life after death globally there are two and a half billion christians in the world is a million and a half muslims in this world that the majority of the seven a half million people in this world believe in god and believe in life after death and the people that have no experience of these things say i don't believe in well talk to the people that have an experience of these things and see what they have to say people that don't know how to fix a car probably are your best bet to fix your car people that don't know any elect anything about electricity or not people that you want to hire to come and do wiring in your house if you want to know about god talk to people that have an experience of god and have a knowledge of god and they'll tell you the stuff isn't flush iffy it's not theology it's not made up it's real  and you said in one of your interviews that you you feel like you feel sadness towards these people because deep down they're hurting and they're angry with god atheists are deep down very angry with god so yes because i believe that fundamentally every born everybody that's born into this world has because we came from god we're children of god has a craving towards god and that in their background there's probably some trauma that has made them angry and i don't know if they can are capable of getting in touch with that trauma or not but it really doesn't make any sense to anyone it yourself from the possibility of love hope faith and a better world which is what is god's plan for the you and i and this whole globe so can you talk more about what you actually were in heaven you know i'm so happy harry but he wants to know more about that experience because we  haven't had that so when you actually got to have and you left that cesspool area now you have beings of light and like you said jesus around to do can you explain how that felt or was about well one of the big mis people go to heaven they are so warmly accepted embrace that i and many other people who have near death experiences like to refer to it as home home is where you are loved appreciated welcomed and feel really comfortable where you really fit in mob who supposedly might come after you and somebody said you know will be careful howard and your response was well if he does come after me and kill me he's sending me home so i went if he doesn't then i went anyway so is that how you really feel about death now that you have no fear towards it yeah i don't have a death wish i'm trying to make the most out of my life but i know that death is just a transition from this world int different state of being which is because i know i'm going to heaven because i have put my faith and trust in jesus christ it's a transition into a world of great love and joy and purpose and i'm eager to go there so i hope people celebrate when i get to make the move on now whether they tell you anything and having to diseases reveal any secrets to you about our world or that you said you learned stuff about our future anything you consider or you want to tell us god has been hoping for and working for a huge change in human behavior and god sen prophets and teachers to the entire world not just to the jews but to the entire world everywhere and the spirit of christ has been working throughout the whole world  unfortunately people tend to pervert and ruin the messages with their own needs for control and power and personal gain except through  the misuse of the god stuff and religion but god wants this world to become a fall of harmony and goodness and joy and it's all possible  as we need to do is have a change of heart and it will happen and when that happens god is going to release and believable gifts to make this world peaceful and perfect and prosperous are you talking decades or centuries from now you see this happening like everybody has a compassionate heart everyone loves their neighbor and we want understands their neighbors trials and we're pretty far from that we're right where it seems like a lot of people prefer fo some god's will and it is going to happen and it's not so far off and i think that we are really in a critical stage right now for how it's going to go because it's either going to go very smoothly and well  go painfully one of the other and he showed me both scenarios so you saw both scenarios so you saw a peaceful future what was like you imagine there was no technology in the future well you know i didn't see any technology but i've been rethinking that because people have but maybe i wasn't capable of discerning what was going on because they didn't have the time or the desire at the time to explain everything to me but people were living and i'm great how many with one another and throughout the whole world in the main occupation of everybody was the raising of children and jesus told me that that's the main responsibility of the human race is to raise children raise them correctly yeah so what do you think is the main impediment today that is blocking us from living that utopian lifestyle is it is a technology i mean is agreed materialism live well what's the main problem today that's stopping this it's i distorted view of the world which is that the only thing that matters is our material gain whereas that the well being the the sole spiritual heart wellbeing of people is far more important than the ritual again i worked with a lot of people in developing countries around the world and most especially mayan people in central america and although they were poorer than most these people had a lot more contentment and happiness and they didn't have anything that we have i mean they had barely enough to survive and we're definitely going to talk more about that in part to the miracles of healing that you experienced in south america and you know the power of a happy group or be accountable but some so you're saying that what you think is it's basically about not having accountability not not being united we're kind of a divided society you know all parts of the world i mean how god for help all the time as a husband i asked god for a lot of help to be a better husband as a father as a grandfather as a pastor i mean and you know what he's never in never gotten tired and never said no i mean when i when i asked sincerely i get the help that i need because i don't know what to do i think capable of understanding the right thing to do the best thing to do and god loves all of us profoundly i think that was one of your main messages that you came back with because a lot of people don't know that god is love and how much we actually are loved can you speak more to god's law for all for ever mankind if i could articulate the power and intention of god's love it would be a life changing message and i'm so frustrated because i find words an adequate but i also tell people since i can't do it why don't you just go to the source and nash  asked jesus directly to experience that love and if a person i really believe and i practice as i do it and it works for me and i've told other people doing this work for them go to god and say i need your love and i'm going to sit here quietly you know and wait for to feel that god always delivers yeah in one way or another he speaks to us you know but if you do it in a bratty way like do it now or show it to me forget about  get nothing you've got to do it and you know real humility there so it sounds like humility is lacking in today's world not just in the context of what you just said speaking to god but even helping each other because it's just being more self absorbed set of understanding our neighbors plights it's more of that why i'm not humble enough to even get down to understand what you're going through or to ask for help to ask you know a higher power to ask god for how they don't have the humbleness or are we lacking in that right and i think connected we're all brothers and sisters were were genetically connected we're connected by virtue of being in this world and it's not by god so that's real humility is seeing our connectedness and really being able to  express our love for all of our brothers and sisters no matter who what or how different they are while all right well thank you for part one stay tuned for part two we're going to talk more about howard's healings and experiences actually  field so we will see you next week thank you