to the committee and we're we're glad to have you here thank you very much it's a pleasure to be here all right so next we'll go to public comment for items not on the agenda i have one that  seems to be on an item not on the agenda about roadway improvements in front of mock cm and then this one is it's like coda item and then coast that's about make sure that's on the green  light my name is frank peters a new resident to santa barbara this is the first time i've ever attended a santa barbara public meeting first time i've stood up to speak to you i am tickled to be a santa barbara resident i came from portland oregon not a of people go in that direction and of course i knew i was giving up two things lots of water but that proved not to be an issue and i knew the portland platinum bicycle city that that was going to be a trade off part of the trade off my wife and i are trying to live a car free lifestyle that's fine i'm at the right age i don't have a lot of meetings across town so i can do that one day we were driving down to the beach of course what are you doin and what startled me was it's you know it's new for everybody for bike riders for people who drive cars speeds didn't slow down motorists didn't slow down fast enough and things get very narrow let me just point out  a couple of things about this is these are hotel bicycles from one of our premier hotels in town i didn't notice that until i get home and look at the photo can't tell right and then look at the we want anybody who comes to santa barbara to be able to ride their bike and do so safely i sent a letter with a few of these pictures to our public works director and she had somebody respond to me that of course this has been underway for a long time improvements still to come and you might even find green paint on the bike lane but that didn't really satisfy me i'm a long term bicycle advocate and i think what we're fi is that green paint might have been best practices some time ago but today much less so green paint isn't going to save anybody this is a textbook example i'd like to say of why we want protected bike lanes thank you for your attention thank you just to clarify for the public those at home or who can't see this we're talking about the or our  question i also noticed that two of the people on these bicycles are not wearing helmets and the bicycles were from a hotel i find that interesting i'm it always makes me nervous when i see people in town on their bikes with no helmets and and it's not an infrequent that it's um tourists and i'd like to be caught up on what the law is about requiring people to wear helmets their law is that a helmet required if you're sixteen years of age or younger and it's not required over that  age i have a question for the gentleman that was just speaking what is it you would like to see here or what do you see is the problem and how to correct thank you for your question what would i like to see here of course my concern is that the bike lane or the implied bike lane is too narrow and proximity of the cars to the bicyclists you know proximity goes up and risk goes up accordingly i started thinking i shot this on a sunday we're down here in the funk zone there are a lot of wine tasting lots of opportunities for consumption of alcohol it's probably occurring on both sides bicyclists maybe and either party is potentially a great risk here what i suggested and as i was wrapping up there is  between bicycle is some kind of physical separation that's what city is really leading in terms of vision zero campaigns is protecting bicyclists from cars with a physical separation that's what i'd like to see do you see a possibility of a curb or something in this particular spiders too narrow for that i have a magic wand i didn't bring it with me however  i think that if we had the will right that's where it all boils down to isn't it if we had the political will we could make this safe such that anybody riding their bicycle here would be insulated from injury from cars that's what it takes thank you we should have got into town when we were doing our bicycle master plan just a couple months late thank you for bringing this alright we'll move to the that's happening and i just wanted to do you see that continuing to go down or to be lower well there's various elements probably to answering that question on the shuttle which the ridership on the shuttle i kind of independent in a sense of the ridership on the rest of our service so talk specifically about trends we see there there if you go back to two thousand and twelve was when the fare was increased and we saw starting then a fairly severe drop in ridership and then continuing on the there's all the various construction projects that have been going on on lower state and that certainly has affected ridership and and then back to  our general in general not only mtd but but transit agencies throughout the state and even throughout the nation have been seeing decreases in ridership in recent years due to a variety of factors low cost of gas the availability of firms like uber and left and and other things like that so i don't really have a you know an answer for you i can only offer possibilities for example from from the from if you look back a couple of years from from from two thousand and fifteen to two thousand and sixteen we had a very small decrease that year only the ridership decrease was one percent on the shuttles this year currently through a february is more i think i want to say like seven percent on the shuttles  february was was down substantially but that a lot of that i'm sure was the rain i can't i can't quantify that but i'm sure the heavy rainfall contributed to a lot of that decrease and as for what the future will bring we'll just have to wait you i noticed that the the time it takes for the shuttle to make the trip had it increased from thirty minutes because of congestion to sometimes forty five minutes and that's and that's been a long term trend of course that if we go back ten or fifteen years it was it was half an hour it was a roundtrip and now it is at certain times a day as much as forty five minutes and maybe even more on a on a summer weekend day so yeah that's that's contributed we have an increased service in that time so that's obviously there's less trips being provided because it takes longer to do each trip so that in and of itself would reduce ridership it certainly could if it's not running as often people are less less likely to not only that but you have for a two hour period you'd have and or the previous system you'd have three trips and then with a forty five minute period you'd have two so in an hour and a half yeah yeah yes right so that reduce potentially ridership by a third if i my maths correct you know it's hard to say if it actually be a third but it's certainly going to reduce it just because it comes by less often and it takes longer you know if you're a fast walker you can on a summer weekend you can almost beat the shuttle but just to be to be clear the that's not how long the headways are right no no i'm sorry we have you should it's not that it's not it's the frequency is is different than the length of time it takes to make a trip because there's more than one shuttle out on the service at a time so a round trip for one shuttle two it takes up to forty five minutes the frequency of how often shuttle is available varies from as little as ten minutes to as much as twenty to twenty five minutes has the fleet remained constant during that period the the vehicles that are used of has remained constant up from from since one thousand nine hundred and ninety approximately the number of those vehicles that that mtd has available is less now than it used to be because we had to retire some of the oldest ones and there's new vehicles on order which should be here later this year thank you you're welcome a change in the funding structure if it might be appropriate to consider briefing updates to the downtown parking committee that could certainly be under you know could be considered and that can be worked out between mtd in the city as to details of that certainly great i think it might be helpful i have a question additional question which was may seem bizarre can you put bike racks on the shuttles well we'd never have we've got them on all the rest of our regular urban buses the shuttles that would be these these shuttles that would probably not work just because they weren't designed that way and we're not planning it on the new vehicles but  could certainly be considered i think one of the pieces is it being in you know on off try to move it along as fast as possible and we all know how fast it is to put a bike on and off the bus just thinking of a weary terrorist who might perception of a conflict of interest i'm going to recuse myself okay much i won't be too far but far enough has to not influence any decisions okay and peter brown and derek bailey will be  jointly presenting this this item excellent thank you madam chair members of the commission peter brown of your staff i'm gonna start off with this update and then i'll hand it off to derek i think for the final few slides so in terms of the bicycle master plan implementation we wanted to talk today about a few of the projects that we think we can move towards implementing this summer as a reminder the east side green lanes project and bike boulevard gap closure received two seven million dollars from the state actually those those funds were officially allocated early this year if we look into two phases the first phase is the one we're here to talk about today involves implementing the class two bike lanes on coda street there'll be one direction westbound from milpas towards chapala this will be the length of the class to the parking removal is much less than that we're looking at the focus of the parking removal being between salsa lettuce and santa barbara street when you move beyond santa barbara street towards chapala we have enough roadway width to accommodate the bike lanes without impacting parking the larger project which would be the green laning of code and halley street and the building of the aliso spike boulevard is dependent upon the state's allocation of those atp funds so that's still a few years away as a reminder we also have some supplementary of funds from the local measure a this will be our conflict striping project in discussing things with mister dayton and mister bailey and some of our other staff it looks like due  accidents collision record what we want to focus on is lower state street for this project in terms of the spine network we do have flexibility to connect to the spine and so coda haley mitchell toreno sola connections to the bike boulevards are also eligible for these funds but i believe mister bailey is seeking a new staff member who will be charged with the design of this project here in the coming months so we will keep you updated as that progresses forward i also our team updated you all last fall on kind of the near term projects this is that list updated with what we know today the haley class two is just one block that connects de la vina and chapala the ranch improvements so those are yet to be determined but i put some potential fiscal years when we could get those on the ground and the ortega class twos between santa barbara street and quarantine o street actually right here above where we're sitting right now is something that we haven't decided quite yet when we're going to implement them there's a small chance it could be done this summer as well if our overlay funds allow so we're doing some street overlays and this is kind of when we do these restriping projects just remember it really makes sense for us to incorporate them with pavement maintenance so that the project cost can be rolled in just a reminder for the core of this network this is the  and the lower part of the map is chaz haley and coda and you could see kind of the the gaps in the network that are gonna be closed with the  bike this is a slide straight out of the bicycle master plan and it kind of reminds all of us where we had council adopt the parking removal so this is the extent in the locations of those the coda haley street green lanes was a project that was a pretty high priority as we rank these projects so this is the what we call the cut sheet that summarizes the project and then the description there just to read the first sentence so the the coda street project entails converting one parking lane on coda street to westbound bicycle lane so that's that's kind of the impetus of what we wanted to let your commission as well as the neighborhood know that if funds are available we would pursue that this summer these are a couple of the plans that show the aliso spike boulevard and some of those improvements and then of course the whole dakota hayley green lanes connecting to the bike boulevard and in this particular case you can see the direction of the bike lanes for haley cota and then the ortega class twos which we had not anticipated to get green paint and then in terms of the one way analysis one of the things that we were asked by the community in an attempt to preserve on street parking was to was to study what would happen if we converted cota to a one way street and at this point i was going to turn it over to mister bailey to kind of walk you through that analysis in our conclusions from it well good evening committee members my name is derek bailey i'm with the public works department as well in the traffic engineering group thanks peter yes peter mentioned we were as the bike master plan was being developed and a lot of community discussion was going on and as to how do we get the best possible projects within the city when the discussion came to khoda street one of the suggestions that came up was well have you looked at turning cota into a one way street as a way to minimize parking removal and you know in the spirit of trying to get the best possible projects we looked into that and when you do a study of trying to figure out whether or not you can turn street into one way or not there are traffic impacts and so we have to figure out whether or not those traffic impacts are acceptable or not and you know and if they are then the conversation can continue as to whether or not it's a good idea to do so the first step towards that was we hired our consulting firm that does a lot of work for the city doing traffic modeling kind of long range projections and they have an electronic traffic model built and they can manipulate the model in such a way that they can change streets from one way to to a to a to one way back and forth and they can see how that traffic filters through the network with the changes and so that's kind of the first brush approach that we we take at that and not that study cost the city about five thousand dollars to do with with consultants but we thought it was well worth it just to make sure that we got the best possible project on co street this table here i won't go into much detail but it just shows if we change cota from a two way street to a one way street where's that traffic going to divert to this this graphically represents what those changes are so i should i should stay to end it as a starting point it made a lot of sense to start it at aliso street where the bike boulevard is not what you could get a bike lane rate to the bike boulevard facility but in terms of how far west would it continue we weren't quite sure so we we had our consultant model a number of different scenarios one was it's all supplied a street that's where the one way street would end or another scenario would be what if you took it all the way to sound a barber street and so what what this shows here is the santa barbara street scenario and the red indicates the traffic is decreasing on the streets green indicates traffic is increasing more traffic on the street so as would be expected cota sees a significant drop in traffic because now there's only one direction of traffic as opposed to two so you'd expect roughly half the traffic to go away so all that traffic heading from downtown back to the east side where does it go that's that's the question so you can see a lot of traffic uses haley street a lot of traffic uses de la guerra street and what surprised us that we weren't quite expecting was how traffic got through the east side neighborhood up to alameda padre sarah aps and you can see these green lines here this is gutierrez street going through the east side and this is hard time so this thin line right here is milpa street so everything over here where i'm floating my mouse over right now that's the that's the east side historically we've had even though the the thickness of this green line it represents a proportional increase doesn't seem that large on haley street especially in the vicinity of garden street that's an intersection that's teetering on the brink of being out capacity right now so any additional traffic that we try to push through that intersection would create congestion so this scenario didn't  wasn't one that we moved decided to move forward with another possible scenario that we thought of is well in order to mitigate the impacts of one way code of street on haley gutierrez that it would overload that one lane street and it would even exaggerate the amount of traffic trying to use gutierrez street to get up to aps on the east side so as well we did we didn't see that as viable alternative either derek um can you back up you don't show haley i know it dead ends but it's interesting to me that there's do they just stop at mil traffic model used there probably is some traffic that would filter through on haley but because haley doesn't go through to aps where a lot of the traffic is trying to get to that traffic is going to try to get over to  haley street is kind of teetering on the edge of what we would classify as a congested intersection right now so any additional trips that we send through that intersection once you get to capacity then that's when queues really start building the only way out of that is to expand the size of the intersection and it's a built up intersection on every corner so that would be a really expensive project and  we don't even know if the community has an appetite for that kind of roadway expansion so we're really trying to be careful with how we configure our roadway is that we we don't send additional trips through that intersection for the public and for committee members that this isn't an action item today but that we're just you know updating because of course these were things that were adopted as part of our long long long long massive outreach plan that came with the bicycle master plan so i just want to clarify that yeah but they're getting ready to put in to do it this summer part of it exactly removed so this is an information item to share with the committee we've also noticed business owners and property owners along the corridor so they can be aware of the findings of this study so the decision on exactly how the lanes are going to be done hasn't been made yet whether you're gonna do one way or two way it has been made we're going to remove parking on kota as the plan prescribes but we told council we would at the request of the public do this study that you just saw to see if if one weighing kota would be beneficial and actually improve things so that we would didn't have to do the removal parking oh okay i'm sorry it was very confusing to me obviously that's all right yeah so the you know the council empowered staff to move forward with you know green lanes on kota but first to check the feasibility of one w kota failing the feasibility movement forward now i understand so we're leaving it to way just putting in eliminating parking spaces and you were just showing us the backup as to how we got there that's correct okay sorry thank you many members i just want to emphasize you know it's kind of like one of those only in santa barbara you know you know oftentimes in my career of twenty five years a member of the public will make a great suggestion much of the bicycle master plan was guided by the public so we heard this great idea we we went after it it was it was a it was a really good idea we spent money fortunately we have a traffic model to conduct that work do you have anything else no i have one question does that mean there'll be bike lanes on either side or on one side only as a couplet with the bike lanes on haley with the bike lane on haley there will be just one bike lane it'll be a westbound bike lane so it'll be running along the north side of the street thank you and then in addition to that there'll be another couplet that we're creating on ortega street that'll head back towards the junior high that'll be on the five speaker slips if anyone else would like to speak on this item or any of the items after please do put in in one first i have john mccormick followed by i join a kauffman i am the resident at seven ten east cota front of the junior high school where you're proposing to put in the bike lane i see have a lot of extra lawn in front of the school and the park that the bike lane could be moved onto the property of the park in the school and not into the street to save space for the bike they make it safer for the bicyclists off the road and then bring them back in to the lane a little further down in saving parking space because have you ever been in front of the high school at the junior high and then all these companies park their cars there's there's no parking i can't park in front of the house all this stuff and then the children parents com to pick up they're all parking at the red curb in the bike lane that you're proposing to put in there you're going to have no place for the kids to be picked up so i think that if we could get the bike lane off the highway and make it more sa it out of the traffic lane safer for the bikers and so on i would like to see that if you decide to not go that way i'd like to see implementing resident parking stickers for the people who on dakota that'll leave the joanna kaufman to be followed by cameron gray hello my name is joanna kaufman and i am program director for the coalition for sustainable transportation which is also known as coast and  i appreciate the implementation of the bike lanes i know it's as approved in the bicycle master plan and are they had to do this additional study and it's appreciated that staff went through and is now giving an update of what they found the loss of parking lanes will be an inconvenience for some but then that benefit to our overall community will provide additional safe routes to school and for people that are commuting between the east side were jobs downtown so we support any efforts to connect the bicycle network across the town and also remember that the more people that ride to work in town the less congestion that the land traffic there will be for like like i'm pretty sure i know how to pronounce it but i'm not gonna make a fool myself good jeff blackard being commissioned members good evening my name is cameron gray speaking on behalf of community environmental council we recognize the loss of seventy six parking spaces for the three different projects that we've discussed here tonight it will present some real hardships for certain members of our community and while we do our best to minimize the negative impacts  of the affected individuals we must also continue to acknowledge that these bike lanes will serve thousands of santa barbara residents who ride their bike well into the future we're encouraged to see the city moving forward with low cost improvements to the bike network less than a year after the bicycle master plan update was adopted by city council our non profit sent staff down the riverside along with members of other organizations like s bike to speak in support of the seven point seven million atp award to the city of santa barbara given the timeline for dispersing these funds and the narrow window it will leave for implementation of the projects we commend city staff for their foresight in moving forward with this coda street project and other projects completing elements of these projects now will help ensure that none of that money is left on the table so we very much are supportive of that move and lastly just want to say that you know we're continue to stand behind the city as they look at other projects in the future we want to make sure that you can continue supporting the growth of active transportation in the community because that's really going to benefit everyone here and the rest of the world as we reduce emissions thank you thank you thanks joey to be  of that approval the coda street project is so important because it closes an enormous cycling gap in the system and that is the return trip from the east side so hayley as we all know can get you to the east side on a bike whereas there's no clear way back no clear return trip and it's we feel that this is one of those projects that's really gonna make that move towards the mode share goal set in the bike master plan it's a project that'll be great for people that are already riding their bikes in the city but this kind of connection is one that's gonna get more folks riding their bikes people that weren't riding their bikes before out on the streets i believe so that's working towards that goal set in the bicycle master plan i want to echo coast comments about being a safe route to school and connecting to the scene about middle school and  also like to say that i think this is the kind of project that will alleviate some of the concerns about people on their bikes being scofflaws or maybe not obeying the law because it'll working on hailey street i see a lot of people riding the wrong way in the bike lane on haley street and i feel like that there's a clear connection there for them to take on cota that will reduce that problem and i just want to say i'm very excited for this project  sebastian hold on junior to be followed by michael  i am glad the bike lane is off the junior high lawn and in the park law or even a parkway for that matter is there was suggestion at one time but my concern is in the six hundred that one block show their appreciation of all the text money that they're receiving like and then also it was my understanding that the bike lane cannot be placed on the par park amenity so that's the reason white's or one of the reasons why it's not on the park that's it but please take into some serious consideration of quarantine a street and also for creeks good evening committee members my name is michael manasi i'm the owner of an apartment building at for rancheria street it's classified by the city as a legal non conforming building it's got sixteen bedrooms and mathematics at least eight of my tenants on a daily basis use those parking spots on rancheria street at night ranch area as you know is right one block away from city college so it has a little bit different dynamic than than some of these other streets during the day on school days it's completely jammed with student parking and at night the streets are very crowded with residen i urge the committee to look at some other alternatives then taking away the parking spaces maybe allowed them at night i don't know what the dynamics are between say a class two or class three bike  lane one other suggestion one of my tenants made was to make a residence only parking area because all the parking all the street parking is taken up by students during the day so renteria has a lot different dynamic than many of the other streets on the bike lane agenda so i hope you take that into consideration when making this decision because there's a lot of different impacts that that that street has that the others don't years have traveled by bike on cota which i love because it's quite level and calm on the weekends and i'm able to take the lane and stay out of the desert out of the door zone i also live near cannon parody though but i frequently don't take that like lane because it is so close to the parked cars so one concern i have with the coda street new bike way to be put in place would be that it not be in a door zone at least not in the driver's door zone and so i know it's going to look different on different blocks of coda but for the stretches where it will run adjacent to parking to find a way to have it space differently and i know some regions put bike ways as a post on the left side of parking on the right side of parking so something to basically consider the door zone issue would be much appreciated thank you michael montenegro to spaulding good evening when i started this high i only like to introduce introduce myself as a college student i live in the westside and i go to the city college i i'm a working class individual i'm a dad i depend on my bicycle and for me the rancheria street as a bike lane would make my commute and all a lot of my other colleagues and my classmates more accessible to go to city college because i live all the way by la cumbre junior high and then going to see love i'm just all for making bicycling more accessible because one of the biggest things i hear is just folks the reason why folks are not cycling off is because they don't feel it's accessible enough so let's make more bike lanes and it's mak cycling more accessible thank you thank you betsy spaulding and then spalding i lived in santa barbara over thirty years and i've used my bike most of that time to get downtown and to work in carpinteria as often as possible i also drive when i need to but i also use haley often to get over to the east side and i'm looking forward to a way to get back from the east side on a bike path because it's a little concerning i would say on a bike and so i really look forward to the cota bike lane and look forward to it a good evening committee members first of all thank you for listening to all these comments on this bike lane i understand this is not an action item and you'll not be voting on anything today but i still want to vote voice my public support in what you're doing my name is ben crop i am a professor at santa barbara city college and i see a lot of bikes going to and from the college in fact at any given time there are around five hundred bicycles parked on campus which this which is to say it is the most bike to location in all of the city so that is why i think rancheria specifically is such an important connection to make and so you may hear comments in opposition to it but i want you to hold your ground as the vote was made  because as some of our students have even said today that it is a really important connection because there's currently no safe way to get to city college from the west side zero absolutely none and the twelve twenty five parking spaces that are going to be removed i understand a number of them have already been found in other places so to keep it short thank you so much for continuing with this project and make rancheria a safe place for all of my students to come oh and one more thing the idea of parking on rancheria is our goal at city college that to get more people to bike to campus and walk and commute commute therefore fewer people will have to park off campus because more parking spaces will become available on campus so that's our hope by opening  evening my name is jeff crowe i live on garcia road and i live downtown i'm sorry i work downtown and i'm some in support of the cota street bike lanes i often take the can of perdido bike lanes and they are a little congested with the high school traffic so i am hope you consider that cota street bike lanes thank you very much thank you okay i see no other public comment on item number four it's back to the committee the the bike lane off on to the park and in front of the school and in fact that was our first proposal that this most of the committee members are familiar with that it turns out that we couldn't do that because it's parkland and the city attorney said we couldn't actually put it in the in the on the grass because of the parkland and i believe that's the case for quarantine a street i think it's been turned over to parkland as well and then but aside from all that when we did the numbers to get the pretty confident we would not have gotten the grant if we included that element into the project so and then in reference to the the drop off that is as you point out that's very unfortunate but the dropout the drop off is only in the morning and the in the evening that will continue in the bike lane and they'll be an option for people to go on the sidewalk but it's only for those two times on school days and a question i guess is it possible for that apartment building that has no not enough parking on rancheria is it possible to get permits for that area for the residents thank you committee member that's that's another thing i was hoping to bring up that i forgot thank you very much yes it's called the residential parking permit program and i think this was brought up for both the rancheria area and for the coda area and both of those programs are in play and that takes a certain number of your residents to request that at downtown parking we have areas in other neighborhoods besides downtown one of them is the mesa area m so in the rancheria area would be an expansion of area of m and for the code it would be a new area but all the requirements for that program and getting your neighbors together to request that are available at downtown parking offices was asking a lot of questions about that it's it's a very problematic street they live on the last block just before aps and people use that as a highway i mean they go forty miles an hour in a twenty five mile zone so i think i'm very pleased that i'm sorry that the analysis didn't work out but i'm really glad you're not going to do anything to increase traffic on kew terrace because traffic  really bad right now between aps and milpas and i'm well aware that the residents there have have requested speed bumps and signs for children and i know many people in the city are requesting those things of of your department but i'm looking right at derek and smiling if anything can be done on uppercuts harris because there's a number of small children that live up there  that would be that would be much appreciated and one thing that another question to address and maybe derek you want to do this but the discussion because we didn't really talk about what's parking  we're really going to take a block by block approach to the the bike lanes on coda street and the reason is block by block there's different land uses you know as you're over by the junior high there's residents and businesses along the south side so it makes sense that's where we want to preserve parking you know as you get across also play days there's the mtd frontage on one side and then there's businesses on the other so it makes sense to flip on that side and keep the bart parking next to businesses so it's going to kind of move back and forth as we as we go down the street we are planning on minimizing the amount of blocks where  the bike lane is next to park cars i think we're looking about a block and a half out of the nine blocks so for the rest of the corridor parking what were the bike lanes will mostly be next to the curb and in those cases we might even have space along there that we can paint in some buffers to improve safety and rider comfort so so it really is going to be a block by block customization and and whatwhat's the size of the bike if you just talk about i mean obviously block by block would be different but generally just for the public's benefit the width of a bike lane and and where it is in in conjunction to to the shoulder and minimum standards are five feet i expect along this corridor will be able to provide a list at least six feet and likely a two to three foot buffer in places as well great i'm sure i have a question that came up in in this last discussion about the parking residential parking permits would some action by this committee facilitate doing that or does it have to depend on the residents petition the committee wouldn't have any influence over that at setup by ordinance by residents and the processes in place so if there was something that helped i could i could prompt you but it actually doesn't exist good question i just want to make a comment on the rancheria issue and we discussed this at length in the past and it is extremely unfortunate that that is a highly impacted area and that we have to lose parking but i would really like to emphasize that i know of two people that have fractured pelvis from falling in  going under the castillo under underpass because that was the only place available and they wanted and i the young man with the beard who spoke earlier i'm i'm sure you know the route i'm talking about i got to get to school i'm gonna take castillo so although it's pretty well marked i think there's i think there have been a number of accidents there so that's why some inconvenience for  think i just want to point out that we're trying to avoid very very serious bike accidents so it's a it's a tough situation i just wanted that the record thank you like questions or comments on this item i would just like to follow up understand mister dayton that we can't that ordinance covers the parking permits but if there could be some help given to residents of an area to help themselves organized so as to begin permit a permit process which they may not know how to do that would be helpful because not all neighborhoods are as effectively organized and would be an opportunity for them to do so well well and i'll hand a couple business  but we knew you know that's kind of the point of a master planning process that we we plan and then we can execute the projects as as they're funded so it's exciting to see i'm i'm excited to  write on all these as they're definitely in areas that i frequent a lot so very exciting can't wait to see in when the first green paint goes on the road or once it has i think probably everyone here would like to be invited to watch it go down so um or maybe i'm just a dork who would want to see those things so alright so  physical material goods but today we this is the last bike related item we have we're going on to other topics and i do have hard copies of the bicycle master plan you all put in more hours probably than you thought it would take in terms of meetings at this committee many you in fact all of you i think came to our public meetings at some point another and so on behalf of the entire transportation division and the public works department we want to thank you for all your hard work and i'll present the hard copies to you now contract with them ran out a long time ago if you're still in touch with the consultants that helped please do pass along our thanks for this and it it looks mighty fine too so thank you very much interchange just to give you a little idea about this interchange and its importance to our community it's located right here in the turn right here in the turn of the one hundred and one right here is right here and city college is is right up here and so that is one of the major destinations but also the entire mesa the entire mesa has three access just blowing it up a little bit there's some things that are different about this interchange than others this was actually constructed in one thousand nine hundred and sixty one so it's our first interchange notice that the northbound off ramp gets off on bath which is a little different so it doesn't go directly to castillo there's also some very interesting things about the the ramp haley is very short and getting here  down here this is actually two way but turns into one way beyond code up it's got the railroad crossing here and then the waterfront down below just getting into the interchange and looking at it very substandard in interchanges are are are older in the community and so they don't have the the standards and and this is no exception we want to call attention to what's been happening since one thousand nine hundred and sixty one is that this actually when it originally this interchange originally went in it's below the water table it's actually constructed below the water table and unlike garden street which is also the interchanges below the water the water table and so as state street under crossing though both of those are below the water table this one leaks and it's actually leaked since very early the the this the slab steel cracked very early in its construction after its construction so it's been leaking for quite some time and we're up to sixty years almost and this leak has been a challenge for the interchange in that the presence of water causes a major safety for for everybody who's using who's using this interchange the primary the primarily one who is getting injured is the cyclist although pedestrians have been injured there are many rear end  the water produces a slippery slippery surface and caltrans has done many many different things to try to fix it the first of which is that i remember if you just see in this picture you see a little you see a little grate right here that's a that's a wall slot grain to try to catch the leaks that happen from the walls but it then it started leaking in the street they the last one they did was some pavers they tried pavers electrolysis they've tried all sorts of different things but it has not been able to be fixed so while this is a this is actually showing some of the history we this is caltrans provided information of sorry it's very small but but this provides some of the history of what the projects that caltrans has done over time and the money they've spent the last one that they're proposing for june of two thousand and seventeen is to redo the surface and suspend the surface over a space so that the so that the water can percolate up into that space and then hopefully drain sheet drain off of it the challenge we've had over time is that between the amount of time that the water the community has to have had experienced the water on the surface which is very frequently over that sixty years and then the construction and the cost and disruption to traffic to actually fix those times has been if you add up all the all the experience plus the safety and the collisions and the injuries it's a really big tax and expense on our community and so while we do applaud caltrans for trying to again fix it what we're asking and what we'd like to do and this is going to be the recommendation is that council would send a letter to caltrans requesting that the planning for the permanent replacement of the entire interchange start begin today without delay so it takes a long time as perhaps a decade to do that kind of planning and and to save the money to do a permanent replacement but that's what we're requesting the collisions since the last project have doubled we have this is just a collision record from january  d ramps but twice as many collisions as we're for the pavers caltrans has actually put up signs that say don't bicycles shouldn't use the interchange which while we understand why that's important and to keep safe it's also a very needed interchange for cycling so that's again another disruption this is just some of the scenes that are become a little bit too common and the interchange as cyclists are going down and hit by cars or just falling just because of the slippery and the the pavers which are loose here's a here's a cluster of the collisions that have occurred just recently and kind of see where they're happening this is the this is what we see and we can kind of see a little bit about the detail of each one of those collisions without going through them all but what we see on the computer when we look at the the data record of the collisions the pedestrian volumes in this interchange are pretty high relative to the rest of the city is one of the higher locations if you see the orange and the red is as you get it's kind of a heat map as you get hotter and redder so you can see down in that area where it is on the orange side right here  peak our bike lanes this is a very hot area through this area for bikes so again it's very critical to have this interchange made whole and then and then motorist in and into the future the end now this inter change is the existing level of services level service d for the southbound ramps and and see for the northbound in the p m peak hour this is projected to just get worse so again  just moving to the recommendation of course to hear the presentation but we'd like to have your recommendation for city council and we would offer a letter and present it to city council with your recommendation caltrans and saying hey really appreciate your doing this fix again but we really need a solution that's permanent and and now that we're now we're fixing an outdated interchange so back to first my question is is the scope of this project limited to under the bridge of the one hundred and one or would it extend on either end for example  south towards the ocean to montecito street to that intersection which is also the juncture with cliff in montecito or basically the old state route whatever it was twenty five twenty five  we we look at the entire corridor and so we could anticipate looking it everywhere from coda down to montecito street and including bath right when you're looking at going and doing it at a wholesale interchange we would look at that as well my questions my question is what could be permanent i mean with all these things that have already been tried what on earth could finally make the difference that's a great question  aid fix as it has been done in the fath in the past probably we're thinking is not going to work or not be effective in the long run but if we do replace the entire structure was the garden street interchange is built in the water table the state street in under crossing is built in the water table and with great success there's there's no reason that a new structure would have experienced the issues a small point i noticed in some of the literature that was distributed to the committee ahead of time that the project was from june until september and classes end with the spring accelerate that's correct and we may have more information about the construction area timeframe they have in the past tried to do the the band aid fixes over the summer when school is not in session and the interchange has last vehicles and people in it but that knot has not always worked collisions what i was referring to was a pure bike accident and i don't know if there's documentation of emergency vehicles ambulance pickups over a five year period that we're done at that spot it may or may not be needed but i'm just suggesting it might be a nice thing to try and track down some of the accidents that happen to a bicyclist who pick themselves up and went home or worse got picked up by an ambulance at the underpass because they're not included in this unfortunately that is the case that we have some anecdotal experiences like go by and actually seen something and snapping a picture but unless a police officer shows up and usually it's because someone really gets hurt then a report is usually not written so if someone just gets a scrape they fall down and get a scrape and you know and they don't call anybody or maybe even sometimes called an ambulance and and maybe mister bailey can connect an ambulance show up and a police officer still not to do a report generally if it's a traffic related collision the results in an injury there is supposed to be a police collision report created supposed to be you know it's something we struggle with and caltrans is in the same boat as well is what is good traffic data and can use so we we we rely solely on police collision data caltrans does as well like mister dayton said there's a lot of anecdotal stories and even photos and evidence but for the official record it's police collision reports so if just hypothetically then if someone was on their bicycle and crashed on their own because of the wetness no cars involved but an ambulance came to pick them up they maybe they used nine  and the ambulance came and picked him up if a policeman wasn't involved that probably wouldn't be documented anywhere for you to pick up on is that my understanding that that could happen in that scenario a police collision report should be taken  it is possible that some of them don't happen we we don't have a good way of tracking that so i'm just pointed yeah it's just interesting point of clarification for me that if an ambulance if someone is hurt on a bike and an ambulance is called a policeman is ninety nine percent of time gonna go out as well yes if the if the call is coming in through emergency services and then okay thanks well it's interesting for documentation thank you but i think there are i mean i can tell you because i for many years went through there i don't anymore because well one you're not supposed to and i and i don't take that route to work anymore but  there's so many near misses or or people you know biking is often a solo activity where you yeah something happens and you get yourself together and and move on  have an idea of when that would happen well i think caltrans desiring to have it done as it says in to in this june but they the reason we put that in is that they still hadn't gotten authorization and the funding emergency funding from headquarters so that's the process that they the caltrans has to go through thank you and i have a follow up is the rancheria lane gonna be in place should it begin at that point in time so that there would be an access for cyclists to get to sbcc and to the beach during that period of time it's our intention to do that project this summer we we do have a lot of competing interests for our funding right now we have a lot of cycle one atp projects that we're going to be delivering this year and our first priority is to make sure that we have the required local match so that we can deliver those projects we anticipate having funding left over that we can do projects like rancheria encode as well that is our first priority but as of right now we do intend on doing both of those projects this summer council thanks so much for taking comment on this issue i'm a santa barbara resident have been first six years live on the west side and last april i was actually one of the statistics you're quoting i broke my pelvis in two places after traveling i was going down castillo stopped at the light and then once green proceeded under the underpass and my bill got caught in one of the ruts not only is it wet but also the pavement is but ya broke my pelvis in two places was picked up by an ambulance greatly appreciated the quick response of police and ambulance but also want to mention that when i out of curiosity i got the police report about a few weeks afterwards and the citation or the reason why the accident occurred according to the police report was unsafe speed which  the the police woman did ask if i picked up speed but and i said yes because i was going down a hill and of course i was in shock after an accident and wasn't sure what happened or how it happened so i just want to also make note of that that the accidents there may not be cited for a poor pavement or lack of yeah drainage and so yeah i just really encouraged that the pavement be prepared as quick as possible with since the accident i've had literally five friends have have accidents like you mentioned skinning abrasions and have crashed and fallen from their bicycle on the underpass and they haven't been reported to police because they carried on and but they could have been far worse accidents with the traffic under there and community and would really appreciate it all you could do to make it better for our community thank you glad you're okay miss coffman and then  intersection it's just like it's just totally nuts as the last commenter said it's just like not only slippery but there's huge like gaping holes in the pavement so i also would suggest looking at making improvements in terms of if you wanted to go straight down castillo to continue forward adjust that that whole interchange there between people wanting to go right towards city college versus going straight which pershing's park is and a lot of people use that path to get up to city college to find a way to just make that transition a little safer because it's just it's it's a little hairy right project i would just hope that you would put a water pump you know to pump up the water i mean to me it just seems like common sense and i don't know why there wasn't one before but i would just maybe a water pump could be implemented thank  spaulding yeah i'll be quick i just wanted to let you know that i live on the mesa but i use that castillo underpass often to get home and there are a lot of undocumented problems accidents i mean i've slipped on i think twice and nothing didn't know wasn't injured per se but it just happens all the time because that pavement is slippery slippery most of the time so i think it's great to get that taken care of and i look forward to it thank you  y back to the committee i'm not sure i understand the recommendation or the caltrans report document it doesn't sound like they're is everything they'll get ripped up so all the pavers that are there now get ripped up and they're going to essentially build a new slab over what gets ripped up and leave gap between so that so that any water that comes up will have will be able to sheet flow into drains that are already in place and by the way there is a pump already there  so so so that that's how the project is designed to work and our engineering division is concerned that and as commented that that probably will work initially but it's such a small space for that drain the the spacing is very small that it they believe it's a matter of time before it doesn't drain anymore and then we'll be back to the same issue without the pavers it'll be a solid slab the other thing is that it has to stop before the railroad bridge because there's a clearance issue so they won't be able to fix that hor but that part isn't as bad as not as bad daniel i could just follow up on that so the floating slab or would be for all of the lanes but only directly under or on that sort of more northern part of the underpass not s you have a picture to show us mister brown so chair chair blackerby and members of the commission in terms of the project limits for this particular summer fix we looked at the construction drawings that caltrans provided for us their preliminary drawings and basically this area here just to the north of caltrans bridge deck would be the start of the work and that is about where the pavers begin those as mister dayton mentioned would be torn up through the extent of the underpass just to about the railroad bridge where again where the pavers end so the intent of caltrans is to eliminate the pavers and replace that with a smooth concrete surface which in terms of what happened and miss mica and many other cyclists this is a good fix in the interim in terms of the road surface but as you all are understanding the longer term improvements are what's being part of your recommendation now so if i could just follow up with that so i'm not i don't want to be too much of an armchair engineer here but just just to break apart a couple of the problems so so we have water right but we have the cumulative effect of standing water so we have like the algae growth and then also that probably exacerbating the breakage of the pavers right which has created the ruts and gaps and whatnot that obviously are even more problematic than the water itself one of the things that's interesting about your bike lanes and just roadway design it's so typically like the lanes closest to the gutter and hence it's lower than the rest of the roadway and i just i wonder if with staffs attention to obviously caltrans plan for the summer potential summer fix any ability to play with the elevation of the bike lane so that maybe that can be slightly reversed because the whole thing needs to drain right so it's not like an ordinary street where you need to drain out out of the gutters it could drain out of the middle theoretically i don't know i'm sharing this but i guess i would just urge any thought about any potential  shift in the elevation so for example the sidewalk is highest and there's no generally not much issue at least on the west side with water on the sidewalk and that's you know just eight inches higher so if the bike lane could be a couple inches higher grade separation basically would be not just potentially thought to reflect on for a short term fix but also would be really interesting for long term planning so that's that's my hope there and then for the long term planning the the transition to be able to go straight on castillo where there's the it's sometimes free right turn onto cliff and montecito street that i'm sure has just a whole you know set of issues in terms of if you need eminent domain there's the gas station on one side and then there's the historical museum on the other and but that is an issue that absolutely needs to be fixed and it just baffles me that it you know it's persisted this long so  so thank you and then maybe again so i just well we have this this opportunity to comment it would be interesting if with any urging caltrans could even post some signage that effectively there is a merge for right hand  for for those who are going to be turning right that they are merging through a bike lanes like a hash hash mark but bike lane with where the bike lane disappears i know it can't pick up but if there's some way to if not a share oh but some some way of basically going up lastly lastly and speaking of the need to basically go up and make a very difficult dangerous transition with traffic that is writing basically on what was until recently a state the the assigned fault is to the cyclist for unsafe speed in this type of collision and that i mean literally is adding insult to injury so cyclist needs to be able to maintain speed through an under crossing so i don't know if if there's any communication with pd and i understand now that that is not recommended or not allowed route for cyclists but that kind of message really sucks especially if you're injured for a few  months i'm not sure which direction this sign exists but there is a sign now and i don't know how long it's been there that says dismount from your bike or something which is it going toward the water or the other way  both ways okay my comment really i know this may be like dumb and dumber but i think if there were i don't think i know one of the people who broke their pelvis was really oblivious to those signs and road that underpass for years and i guess the analogy i would draw would be to the the nice pedestrian crossings down on boulevard now when you have flashing lights you notice it and when there's no lighting yet kind of didn't know it was there and i know those signs are pretty obvious but i think they become like wallpaper and perhaps if there a flashing light that alerted you to the dismount from your bike this is a really dangerous place especially for people who aren't used to bicycling through santa barbara i think i think it would really help just to clarify th dismount bicycle signs are actually very new they were just put in in the fall okay then i wasn't sold that great if someone fell two years ago they didn't not see the sign the sign didn't exist but the wavy the sign that shows a bike with the wavy has been there  right other comments so i'll just say that yeah living extremely close to this and having gone through there now looking back way too many times what was i thinking and i think it actually took a conversation with a couple of people including city staff who were like we want you to live so please don't bike through here i stopped doing it so please don't bike through there one one question i have is the proposed summer fix from caltrans what is it do to the sidewalk do you know that part i think it leaves the sidewalk exactly as is the sidewalk trip lockerbie is intended to stay as is one of the comments that we heard from from committee member france is that the slope and the drainage are also being considered here and so when we met with caltrans in fact some of the esp bike staff were there mister bailey and mister dayton and myself we were told by them at that time that there would be no water on the surface of any of the lanes or the bike lane alright well i mean i i hope that's the case and and it's it's not you know we've been talking about cycling and motors it's it's no picnic to walk on those sidewalks either it's a good way to get splashed with water too  i'm glad that that's part of it um yeah if you do have i just want to say this little psa if you do go through there please do report your incidents just someone even if it's not interaction and i understand not  eleven one necessarily but i would just say tell someone at the very least tell the bike coalition that that something's happened because you know having some type of paper trail even though the current system setup isn't really great for near misses or solo incidents or whatever i think it's very important i'm i'm very supportive but well i want to thank to the bike coalition for sending a very thorough very very thorough and long letter to us as well  about this and i know that they've been in communication along with the city and our assembly members office with caltrans i'm supportive of the recommendations and i and i want to say to you know we deal actually at our last meeting we dealt with a capital improvement program and project list here caltrans has a ten year cip the intersection fix is not on that and so i think that's something that may may be part of the conversation moving forward to council but i would encourage the public to you know know that you have avenues to caltrans as well and that's something that at least if it's it's i mean is it gonna be very complex it's very complex to redesign and rebuild a freeway interchange but at least to get on the radar and it's obviously on their radar but on some kind of program of projects i think is very important  so at this point we be if there's no other comments or questions it would be in order to take on these recommendations may i move to recommend the council sunday letter to district five and abstentions alright that's unanimous moving to the council really really thank you for that appreciate that what was that could we add an asterisk to that or some emphasis put it in a towel and and we'd also appreciate a heads up to the committee members when that's going to go to council yeah well we'll give you notice when it's goes so that you can come and attend and support that thank you very much and thank you for your you know i know it's it's been a bear for so long but i appreciate your tenacity on this and trying to to force the issue so thank you very iv members of the committee we have an update for you on the car share program we were last to you on this item i believe last year and we are at the point now where we've signed a contract zipcar to provide car sharing services and we've also begun to look at locations in in in town where perhaps by middle of next month members of  zipcar could read cars so let's talk a little bit about the program for those who may not know a reminder that car sharing is a model of car rental where people rent cars for short periods of time often by the day or hour without dealing with anyone at the counter it's kind of the thing where you can do it online on your phone you you can even call up if you don't have a smartphone and you can make all those things happen and check out your car here's what  one of the cars looks like we've met with zipcar this week they have a pretty diverse fleet so we'll be seeking some of that fleet diversity in town they have as you can see two main signs that you'll notice around town the zipcar logo sign which tells everyone that this is a zip car i think their motto is zip cars live here and then there's also a no parking and tow away zone so that your personal vehicle is not permitted to park there i know mister dayton and many of you worked on the city's general plan and to go back to the finally i our traffic inclusions we are going to have more congestion at our intersection so this kind of looks at the number of intersections in two thousand and eight where we experienced congestion and the projections for two thousand and thirty are for those to go up this particular program is is part of the set of tools that we're that were developed in order to address and mitigate anticipated traffic congestion so in terms of why we do this we're implementing plan santa barbara one of the mitigation measures was to expand the tdm program including car share and and the goals of course include decreasing congestion and expanding transportation choices to remind us all of some of the benefits these are fairly well proven in terms of data and statistics nationwide and actually worldwide but the average for zipcar this particular program is that fifteen personal vehicles that are owned go away per vehicle so what zip car has done in cities where they exist is they've surveyed their members and they've correlated that with the number of vehicles in town and so this is an average number dip car members report a forty six percent increase in transit uses usage and they drive fewer miles so rather than taking your car for every trip because it's right in front if you're paying by each particular use you use the idea is that you're more conscious about when you're gonna use that and in terms of car ownership there's there's this car shedding phenomenon that happens with car share so people who have maybe a two car household are willing to go to one car because they know there's another  that second trip and then for cities that have implemented this they end up freeing up parking spaces by lowering a parking demand as a result of the decreased vehicle ownership these are some of your bicycle master plan  data analysis but i've overlaid them with some of the zip car locations just to remind you that in downtown santa barbara you can see the cota haley green lanes state street this central area is our highest walking mode split so seventeen percent of folks who take their trips to work are walking and so they do not have a car with them and their primary mode of transportation during the workweek is walking and so this is part of the candidacy of folks that may want to run an errand for an hour car can be appealing to them if you look at i'm gonna switch maps here to the bicycling mode split and just toggle back it's really interesting to me that the center block is the walking highest split and then when you go around and away from that the trips are a little further and that just happens to be where the bicycle becomes the primary tool so your trip is a little longer the bike then becomes the tool of preference and and also you can't see it very well i have some other maps but what i've done is i've thrown in the z's for the zip car locations that we've identified we've worked with them and a good team effort in the transportation division to find out where we anticipate zipcars  demand to be the highest these will likely be our initial locations this is another way to look at the same data using our average user net density map that talks about where the city again per the general plan is looking to increase infill housing in the downtown again this is one of the primary locations in town where we believe that car sharing services can be most beneficial  reminder to the transportation committee within this particular ordinance parking requirements are reduced it's one space per unit so this is exactly the type of resident that we believe would be ripe for zipcar membership  real briefly i'll just run through these locations we're looking at gutierrez and milpas or take a lot or lot ten the granada garage garage or lot six this is probably two cars initially at the amtrak depot lot thirteen for parking advocates this is an existing location this if i can't find my mouse here at the santa barbara city college there's two cars there that are well used according to the zip car and then some of our on street and de la vina is right about here one west side location at santa dress and micheltorena and then we've had a lot of requests for up at cottage hospital which is that upper upper area  so again i just have one or two more slides this is another photo again you can kind of see this particular city like ours has some historic buildings and the zipcar locations france the number is probably eleven we still haven't finalized that we have another meeting with zipcar next week we're looking at that ten to twelve car range the nice thing about zipcar is they're a very they have a headquarters in los angeles they have significant fleet and they also have good standards for how often they want their cars to go out during the day so what we're looking to do is analyze the data for usage in the first three to six months which is like i think there's standard practice and we may make adjustments if demand is really high in certain locations we may add cars if we find a location that's less successful zipcar may want to take that car away so that's the starting point we also were recommended by zipcar to start a little lower in that kind of eight to twelve car number so it's that the community becomes more aware the service and there's a build up for it they've had experiences in other cities where they've gone too big too soon and had to pull back significant numbers of cars so yeah um did i misunderstand you i thought you said that you already have two cars at city college we do but that's not on city property that's at the city college property so the program that we're working on now and through the city ordinance is to allow a zipcar to operate on city owned right of way so  there could be other entities that could contract with these folks like city college did i mean is that a separate arrangement so if ucsb wanted to just clarify it's not on city college property i college the airport this particular effort here is city right of way i haven't noticed that they're out there so this is terrific now you'll see them i know you'll notice them thank yeah i have a couple questions one is how much does it cost and is there like a monthly fee or you know just a usage fee how does that work that's a good question committee member horne the way that it works is members of zipcar have two options to become members you can do a monthly membership which is ten dollars a fairly nominal fee the annual membership is seventy dollars so if you're pretty sure you're gonna be using it regularly you're gonna go for the annual membership and then the hourly usage is between eight and fifteen dollars an hour and of course that the unique thing about that price is that includes your fuel your insurance everything  is included in that cost so there's some convenience there to the user okay great thank you i also wondered if i can picture taking a bike ride to one of these locations and then using the zip car and i'm wondering if there's any any possibility of getting car of bike parking at some of these places  there is that possibility there's also something that's quite common in other areas is bike racks that are in the trunk of the car and can be easily mounted there's also larger vehicles there's midsize suvs you can throw your bike inside and these are all options and as the program comes to life we will be willing to put in at least in the areas that we have influenced bike parking as needed i  i would hope that as this continues that you'll supply something with no overlays other than the zip car location maybe things like the transit terminal and and public buildings but not worthy not the overlays like you h member horn that we're looking at now zipcar has some pilot programs where they're doing one way trips we're not gonna have that available in santa barbara at the beginning but that is something that if the program is successful  that i've already spoken with zipcar about it's something they're willing to explore in some locations there's a lot of zipcar parking at lax and there's one way trips and it's kind of like the goldmine for going to lax you're not paying for parking but you can pick up a new car and bring it back to your town the thing about those locations that are having that one way interaction is they have abundant spaces designated as you can imagine in their communities we're at the point now where we're doing spot as well since we have such a small geography yes thank you okay let's go to public comment and to speaker slips one cameron gray and then joey you evening again jer blackerby and commission members my name is cameron gray speaking on behalf of community environmental council this is something to celebrate we have been advocating for car share for about half a decade and we are incredibly excited to see that it is arrived here in santa barbara we understand that there were some contracting challenges with bringing it here so we commend staff for working with zipcar to find solutions to those issues it sounds like they did some heavy lifting i won't belabor the benefits of zipcar further i think staff did a really good job of highlighting what those benefits are it will help us kind of develop our community in a climate smart way and zip cars arrival here will be timely especially with the concerns about parking impacts from more high density developments coming online through the average you know size density program we're very pleased with the proposed locations they are clustered you heard which is fantastic we're also glad to know that there are two zip cars being proposed for the amtrak depot so it's kind of like a transit oriented deployment of the service there  yeah i really just also want to highlight the potential opportunity for may be subsidizing some of the costs through creative kind of rolling or connection of the aud program and car share i believe  is paying the city for the parking spaces that they are provided so maybe developers could be encouraged there could be some incentives put in place where and if they put zipcar at a given location and they subsidize it they get some kind of benefit that would help of pair the the car share services with the aud development specifically something to explore and also transportation equities so as you heard zipcar is cheaper than owning and operating an automobile  so in the future if zipcars is able to be scaled it's successful maybe we can explore putting them and some lower income neighborhoods there maybe some state programs that can help do that especially with a recent piece of legislation that's going to go into effect hopefully soon here and fifty that was passed by the legislature and it may open some doors for more funding coming to subsidize projects for transportation that benefit low income households so with that i just want to again thanks staff thank you all for making this happen we're excited to work with zipcar to make sure that the program can succeed and grow thanks again speaking on my own behalf just want to say that this i don't own a car i just ride my bike around town there are occasions that give me pause as to not owning a car where i kind of wish i had one i think this is a great way to chip away at some of affordability issues here in santa barbara but only if it's affordable i heard a scaled eight to fifteen dollars per hour it would be great to see zipcar introduced it was low rate as possible i think just to get people sort of into the concept and also kind of echoing what cameron said just about accessibility wherever they might end up in whatever neighborhood so but i think it's i think it's great so thank you  comments or any other questions thank you i am pleased that this effort is going on and that the city has dedicated parking space for this  also don't own a car use public transit and walking i'm too old to bike but never too old okay if there are other rental options that people who may be interested in this program should explore and there is a downtown location for instance that chip on chapala over here at cota i won't mention any names of or a city facility maybe i think the granada garage in order to facilitate a car share program with kind of a clear visibility its own space to help facilitate you know to attract a company to come into town but short of there are no subsidies in fact as i understand it there's actually you know the companies will be charged for the use of the on street space the facilities zipcar i believe zipcar going back yeah ten years ago i think santa barbara city college is going back either one or two years in the facility in the the apartment building across the street from it probably attracted them with some subsidy could you just elaborate on where we are and the advantage of where we are and maybe any disadvantage of where we are absolutely so committee member france we we  us perhaps a decade ago now and wanted us to wanted to be on the street wanted to be in various public facilities but then they wanted us to subsidize that and at that time we didn't do that program  the funds to subsidize there was a great risk car share was not avant garde as now and and that's all changed now they're very willing to give us one hundred and sixty dollars per  be able to have a zipcar on site and and they can they can do that but we're trying to do is we're trying to make it a public a very public service that works very well and it provides it just another another tool in our transport a suite of strategies to reduce congestion and to alleviate on street parking demand and in the shared commodity  shared economy which is really ramping up we see car sharks succeeding and we see zipcar as we had two proposals in response to our request for proposals and we see zipcar as being a shining star and being the one that's gonna really succeed so in terms of subsidies we don't feel that there's a need and right now in public works we have a huge deficit for road funding as it is so there wouldn't be any room rigmarole to make that happen it was necessary to attract a vendor and with you know baseline of cars if they're nimble and ready is the city if we need to add ten more parking spaces two months from now oh absolutely if the if we see this you know if this is like a  that's successful which means profitable the only reason it's gonna stay there is it successful otherwise it's gonna be moved if if if as if car is in your neighborhood and your neighborhood is parked out you want it there because that means that many neighbors are are using that spot and not parking in in other spots so and we'll we'll try to as we as we roll this out explain that in our public process but we have every intention of zipcar sees a success and sees another place we can put it to do that because it will only help people who are struggling with parking and a ultimately hopefully congestion as well can you give us an idea of what the marketing will be blackerby committee member horne the zipcar has assigned a full time marketing person to the santa barbara launch they also have a public relations person who's been assigned to santa barbara we are working with them to do a water bill utility mailer that's going to go out in may so every resident in santa barbara that gets that bill is gonna they take a look at that flyer know about  have we're working with local media to do a few stories there's going to be several press releases and this has all been taking off here in the last week or two and i can say that you probably will be impressed with how much news there is about this program coming to town as mister dayton alluded to the real success of the program is going to come down to the amount of hours a car goes out every day so you know because zip car is is leasing space from the city they want to see the cars go out as much as possible so in order for that to happen santa barbara residents and visitors are going to have to become zipcar members if they want to use the vehicles and then not only that they're gonna have to rent the cars so it's it's the program success that people become aware of the program so if you all have an opportunity to share this news please do  think we have a pretty good media strategy and marketing campaign together i'm also i've also been asked by a zipcar to partner with the downtown organization their website their newsletter the community environmental council has already agreed to do some email blasts for newsletter i've contacted mtd sp car free zipcar we'll be looking at all of these websites as well as the city's downtown parking website the city's front page hoping for this we are hoping that by that ribbon cutting day of around april th that the initial ten cars will be on the ground and ready to be leased just in time for earth day that's right and we also have talked to zipcar about coming to earth day and having a show there they're going to participate in the green car show they're looking to have a tent in a booth so any any attendee of earth day will most likely pass by cars live here we think that's kind of a nice way so that even when the car's not there a passerby can tell a that that's where as if cars park only but to kind of catch the passerby is attention whether they're biking walking or driving the presence of the car again we have to be a little careful with the initial launch in terms of how much paint and signage we put up in the case that we do some tweaking in the initial three to six month period great yeah i hope they really stick out personally and then the i guess the the other thing is functionally you know obviously the car is going to be returned back but are the  specific cars i know that they come and they come and fuel them and everything but do do we think that the different types of vehicles will be moved around town to see how it goes or how does that work the way the way that works is the user feels the vehicle through a fuel card that is in the visor and so just like when you rent a car you know you typically return it full that obviously is included in your price that's why  car company has a fuel car there in terms of the fleet mix in speaking with the fleet manager this week we're looking at probably three or four hybrid vehicles maybe some wagon type  to have a mixture and those will be located in different parts around town if there's demand again we have the flexibility of moving cars around and to go back to one of the early public comments on this item the range really is the eight to fifteen dollar range is about the vehicle it's about the size of the vehicle and the capacity of the vehicle and the features of the vehicle so if you're just looking for basic get around and a compact car that's going to be in that kind of eight dollar range the higher end vehicles can go up from there and then i would i would just say you know talked about aud and i totally get why the initial ones are in the downtown core and as far out as oak park if it's not demanded by council i would say if if the th car that comes in isn't in the la cumbre upper state area we're doing it wrong so i would i would just imagine that that would be the next good place if you look at the overall to have at least one over there with you know new rentals coming online so i'm assuming that's in the that's in the forecast if things go well yeah okay great okay well do let us know about that r so don't expect get the car the next day they mail the card to you and you have to supply some proofs to them also okay so start start ordering now cherished several years ago and then this happened again where they kept me on for a second year and then i had a reprieve of year and then there was a lot of not me going on on the committee so i will tell you that if anyone else interested don't be scared to self nominate and i will second that nomination if if you do it i i want to be clear that i think it's important that we i mean where as you can see we're short a member so we actually in the next round of applications for this committee will have you know we'll have another vacancy and so i would encourage members of the public hopefully some of the people who were here earlier to one apply for the committee and then two we need people who who get on the committee to step up to take leadership roles of chair and vice chair so there any other is there any other discussion or any other substitute motions maybe