from miami florida here's that which is with john roger that which is presented by him as a movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m s i e a as well as founding the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations put the purpose of improving people's lives john roger is a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years th seminars and titled lies truth skepticism and trust but after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement a lot of things  think i should say a lot of things that messiah a are not or should be is not you people they're looking to pick apart what i'm going to say you've got your choice on either one of those and the rest of you i'd just like to talk to you bypass everything else that you've got going inside of you and what comes out of my mouth you have to bypass that because if you don't you  really went on here i have told hundreds of people probably thousands of them now that what i have to say is really unimportant it really doesn't make too much difference what i say they don't get that i could sit up here for an hour and do nothing and what's going to take place spiritually would take place or i could get up here and recites the alphabet for an hour i'd probably know it by then and the same thing would take place is going to take place if i didn't say anything and yet those b s that's our jargon for basic selves inconsistent in what i say i'm a charlatan or a fraud and yet i stand up here and tell them it doesn't matter what i say but they insist that if something happens it wasn't because of me it was because of the spirit but if it's inconsistent it's my fault so i got a real clear with a lot of people that i'm going to be damned if i do and i'm going to be damned if i don't and if i'm in between i'm going to be damned on that one also because people don't want neutrality if i do apathy they might go for that but i just can't do apathy i mean my bowels move and i get thirsty and i have to get up and go handle all of that and apathy doesn't do that is it just lays in and i can't seem to handle it when there are a lot of different people in a seminar the spirit of who i am really wants to please you to give you something that you can walk out of here inside of you and use as an experience to say i can do something better because of this the other part of me that doesn't know for anything that's not going to be true that you're going to walk out of here and do what you ordinarily do but then you might be a little more on the happy side as you do it and if you can be a little more happy with what you do in this world then i would i am really pleased about that and i would like to have that same thing for myself a lot of people who are working in the movement of spiritual awareness now that doesn't mean you're in this room because that's working out here in this room movement spiritual a wareness is going on inside of you and so anything and anytime you see someone do something who are quote in the movement of spiritual inner awareness and they do it out here in the world and that mystery that represents the movement of spiritual in awareness you bet it does because as nice as they are as sweet as they are and syrupy as they are that misrepresents the movement of spiritual inner awareness and as mean as they are and as junkie as they are and as terrible they behave that also misrepresents the movement of spiritual in awareness in fact talking about it is a misrepresentation of it because it's an individual inner consciousness and so of course we're going to have behavior that will be abrasive to each other out here in the world it's not the movement of outer physical maybe that's why we're in the condition we're in you know and and i can stand back i'm told that rock but then i have to run on the other side let it hit me because i'm also a teacher so i'm very careful what kind of rocks i thro i make sure that they're full of enough a lot of love or chocolate or something else which is supposed to be your favorite there's no real behavioral standards that we hold up in the world and is that remarkable because in the churches and these are religious organization churches have all got standards that they had here to we have suggestions we suggest some things to you and when you think about it is they were less just common sense which then isn't so common because you're not doing that or it's common sense without being put into put into the practice into the focus everyone wants to tell me how the mystical travelers to behave in fact once said jr only has the mystical traveler consciousness eighty percent of the  time that person doesn't know i have it all the time it lets me do anything i want to all the time just like you've got all the time and look at all the things that let you do it also gives to me but you see i'm not supposed to have the freedom you have i got more than you do because you've got your beliefs about what i am to do and not do and i don't have any of those on me and i don't have any of those on you so when you do what you're doing you're right we know it's about how my husband is doing this my wife is doing that my kids are doing this why should i do and i write back you decide people take umbrage to that what do you mean i decide you're my teacher in the spirit in the world the world is your teacher or your husband or your wife or the s or the policeman or the robber or whoever is coming down the path on you they're your teacher and i'm not saying you're going to like that and i'm not going to say you're going to learn from that and i have heard people say i have learned my lesson i've learned my lesson then years later it happens again just happens and i almost like somebody xeroxed or photocopies and send it to them and they say why did that happen to me i thought i was through with that and i said well apparently it didn't care it's back guess who's in town the nemesis but just words been living all the time you thought it was out of town inside of you advance propositions the theories and proposals to people but no way do i say do you believe this did anybody ask you to check your brains at the door or say don't bring your intelligence in here and then we say tonight don't check anything out just come in and believe be a bunch of believers they may do that because if they did they're not working what i'm doing we want your brains in here we want your intelligence in here we want your critical perception in here and if you don't bring up i'll say things that will create doubt for you little stir you up and your doubt will be here i see some people say don't doubt it's very unhealthy come on guys we'd all be in the grave damn it's very healthy to have healthy skepticism and help the doubt what is healthy skin skepticism anything that comes your way you check it out you've only been taken in by people when you didn't check out what they were saying and what they were doing you just come with their word now i'm going to say something to you and then i'm going to let you see if it's true for you right but this is called honest time are you prepared to really be honest with yourself and are you prepared to have me call you want if you're not so do this by show of rays of hand like that if you go like this that won't count as called you put your arm up that would be yes you're in agreement that that is something that you do do and you probably did do it today if not twenty minutes before we started and then i'll tell you something wonderful about my hand was up of course now how many of you have ever told a lie to impress somebody else and why you are telling it you knew it wasn't true but you're impressed and you want to press them for some reason and you may never ever see them again ok look around the room ok isn't that interesting we are such comedians we're such actors and character actors and we say and do these things i was watching a television show the other night and one of the comedians i guess you call them a wagon they make these off handed comments that are so accurate and you think yeah that's true and we might all be better off not having heard it but then if you just hear something doesn't matter doesn't if you just hear if you just read something does it matter now this person said my daughter has just now reached a certain age and we were out driving in the car and she told me something and i said well we can't do that because your mother doesn't want us to and she said well let's don't tell her and she'll never know which is a form of a lie he said i was then struck with how wonderful it was that my daughter had finally reached this place in life where she was going to perfect a tool that she would be using for the rest of her life to get her in and out of situations sold jointly that few people would be able to know the difference between what was true and what was not true and i listen to that and i thought i should have said that i should have thought that's true that's true that is a tremendous tool to learn to li effectively that's a tremendous tool can you imagine if you could really do it effectively you could have anything you want except trust bed love you until they found out differently about the lie but then you could tell me another lie about that one to maybe carry it back over again person said to me once what do you think would happen if everybody in the world all told each other the truth and said well that i'll get different partners and then if they're telling the truth they would all cry for a long time with their new partner as they told each other the truth and then they would arrive to a new standard of conduct called what is it is not only that there be a new conduct of behavior called you won't be doing a lot of things you're doing that you have to lie about them and when you're going to do something that your partner won't lie about you will have been telling them all along that you're going to do that by saying the things you don't like that they're doing and it's real possible that after we all start telling the truth then the earth stops as shaking the things really could get nice on the planet do i think that's going to happen well i think a hot fudge sundae in hell has about as much that's what i think personally why well if it's just a lie of deception i think we can do without that because it's very easy i just stand up for people and tell people i lie then they wonder if that was a lie or if that was the truth that i just told the first thing out i started thinking then i say it's up to you to find the truth from the fiction mediately going to listen to catch me in it so now i've got you listening which is what i wanted you to do then i don't lie or was that a lie because i said i lied it's apparently a contradiction but does that really matter in the long run things doesn't matter the times you lied to the policeman about why you were speeding why you didn't stop at the stop sign why you broke the traffic rule he already knew that because he tried it before also the one you tell on your spouse they know it's a lie because they've tried that also it boils down to that not very much is going on in this level not very much is going on do you know what is going on though what we do inside with what we hear and what we see is the problem because it's not what we hear or what we see written or what somebody is doing the problem is what we start to do with that side of ourselves that's where our crazies are people come up to me and they'll tell me things that would almost given grown toenails certainly curl your hair and make it go extremely pale or blush and could make you ferociously upset and angry and want to just kill him except what they tell you usually isn't true it's how they saw what they saw or heard what they heard figured out what they figured out and what they had to it now how many of you ever heard something and we want to raise a hands on is could there be but it's sort of like a reflective question how many of you have ever heard something and then when you told it you add a little bit of your own truth to it or don't have to raise your hands i mean everybody goes every goes i do all the time every day because if i told what i heard it be so boring i gotta add something to earth chazen be a waste of time to repeat it the only thing that a secret is good for is to tell it their sacred things don't get down here on the planet because of their sacred would pretty soon corrupt them and the movement to spiritual in awareness doesn't deal in secret things sacred things they're so sacred there's no vocabulary there's only the experience of it and you get the experience of it and you try to put words in you turned your spouse to say i just and i don't know what to tell you what it is and your spouse turns to you says i got it i got it what it was about i didn't even tell you that's right i got it on the same level you got  and you look at each other and you both know that that's so now how are we able to do that well let's let's run assumption first of all you know each other's habits is about time for me to wake up about time for you to wake up so you both woke up well then how about it when one wakes up a lot sooner than the other one and they both know that one woke up on the other one is still on that edge of waking up that kind of blows that doesn't  wells because we all go to the same church the same philosophy went to the same high school same sorority same fraternities same degree same age or we're both psychologist that accounts for except it does we both have our same roots in the hills of alabama that's got to be no mine was in the valleys of alabama well what is  then when stranger strangers people who come into a meeting like this or maybe another meeting where there's the idea of growing into your awareness more and more every day in every way and you see somebody and something just clicks and you both start talking as though you've been brothers or sisters for god knows how long and there's no way it can be explained because it's the first time you've ever seen each other and you try to find out people you know in common and it just breaks down and yet you've connected how to explain that where you don't why you do do is find that you have a friend that feels as ancient as the earth and somebody that's as new as fifteen seconds old to your awareness can that be explained to anybody satisfaction not to mine i'll tell you right now they've never explained that to my satisfaction i've got a lot of explanations and all those explanations satisfy me but not one has ever been satisfactory as the explanation that's why i've been lecturing and talking for over twenty five years because new people show up and when they show up they bring their educational cord of influence around them it's floats in the vision visible around them i say that because they don't come in with their degree tattooed across their forehead nor their ability nor why they're here and yet the spirit will know it tell me and i'll tell you you say that thing that he said i didn't hear anything else but that thirty seconds that was exactly what i came in to hear he said it went on to other things i don't know what else he said i'll get the tape and listen to it and others will say i didn't hear that but i heard this and others this than that and so it goes like that not only that people two or three years from now will get this tape or watch this on television and they'll be sitting and this will nominate that a lot of preachers preachers use on television where they'll say and somebody just now turned to the television and the spirit told me and you're now going to have a healing is really nice except i don't see that people turn on the t v to that channel that time anyway and maybe the spirit did it it just didn't tell me it's on a videotape in a television studio being transmitted to the air and the person hears exactly at that moment what they've been wanting to know for a long long time is that an accident well if it happened once or twice you can say yes but what happens when you get a room clear full of files stacked up all around with people who've written in and said that over and over from all over the world does that is that an accident or is there something underneath that you have to say not knowing what it is it be just as dumb to assume there's nothing going on as to assume there's something going on if i don't know but how do i count for all these letters how do i count for all of these things that are happening well let me give you a couple first of all people love to hear good lie world war two was based upon a good lie you have the good lie is i'm the best you're the worst i get it you don't know me my the best i've always been the best and i don't know you don't get it you've always been the worst and my interpretation of history will prove it to you and you listen to it and hear you say by golly it sure makes sense to me historical revisionism is one of the most deceptive deceitful ways to deal with any kind of thing that has happened you're right it per your experience you stand on your experience and then you go on with your life to go back and rewrite it based upon fifteen years of having thought about it and then update it with new information invalidates the experience in the moment because you've added information to it that no longer applies to that we are smarter right now about the earth than people were six thousand years ago walking upon the ground that they walked upon we know more about their ancestors than they knew but that's not revising history that's  research i'm talking about revisionism when we have an experience with somebody ourselves and then we step forward in history and look back and say aha i think what that really was was not that that i said it was  something else and i'm saying be careful because you're setting yourself up for a big fall that type of self deception is extremely destructive to your own intelligence you will start to block is to come through for you in the next phase that's coming your way because your own spirit isn't sure what you're going to do with that when i say sure i'm saying you're not predestined to do it you have a choice given the choice there may be a choice to do or not to do but there's also choice to not either do or not to do but to vacillate back and forth across th and i call that decision by slide we don't decide but we lean into something a certain way i am saying that's nice but at some point you better take a step are you going to be off your own center physiologically physiologically going off your center i thought this will cause me to have a headache and back ache my leg will start to hurt and then i think you're a lousy crowd wouldn't be appropriate to do that because didn't happen until you showed up you understand that type of thinking but if i'm standing like that it wouldn't matter who shows up i'm going to be doing it to myself how about if i'm sitting in a chair at work and i've been sitting slumped over in a certain way in the six weeks later my shoulders all feels funny but the boss has been telling me my work is not too far and he's been on my case so now i know my pain the shoulders because of the neck boss is a pain in the neck and all i have to do is to straight  pain but i don't know that because i've grown accustomed to doing what i do and used to it and not tell you the bad news about this as bad as it hurts and as much as i want to change i will not because i know what this is and if i do change i don't know what that will have be what will happen and i'm not going to chance see old age because some people got great at thirteen or eighteen or twenty years of age and some people are still in their seventy's and they still got dark hair with no sign of however their faces fall down to the chest where you can't pull gravity it's always pulling on you maybe that's why it's so difficult just standing up let alone getting up from the bed since change is the order of the day and time is an element we used to see the change and we look at our children sometimes we look in the mirror we look the same as we did we were nineteen twenty and we look at our children going eleven twelve eighteen nineteen twenty and their grand their kids are grandchild going three four five then we look in the mirror we say well i'm getting older but i don't feel older i feel eighteen or nineteen maybe twenty one on a hard day twenty two and that is really saying i'm really willing but my body just won't do it well i could go into detail why the body doesn't do it too because it's physiologically and anatomically correct why it does the way it does based upon what we do with it so we're teaching people not i'm going to do because i break these rules all the time and listen to my reasons you're going to get a good with this but after you get through thinking about it you're going to say i tell people you the best not to do that certain thing then i go and do it they say you don't follow your own teachings that's right i never told anybody i was going to told you the freedom i give to you to not do it i take that same freedom myself they say well why would you do it then i say well you see i wanted to see if the principle that i gave that teaching upon is still holding and the only way i can know is to go do that to see now what is the principle it could be a lot of things remember the old saying what goes up must come down  river member that i was a principle was not do we know that there are principles no longer operative we got things on the moon and going out in space what goes up may come down and it might not so we're modifying the principle when i talk to people about the law of reversibility that's a principle that works based upon us inside of us and our psyche contraction that we're putting out to the world the law of reversibility isn't like the law of gravity nobody ever can see the law of gravity it's a principle though but we can see the results of it see that's the principle of an action when the law of reversibility shows up it shows up much like that thing dropping it comes and it happens to you and you're saying why is that happening to me and i say well let's see you probably did it twenty one days ago forty five days ago two and a half months ago nine months ago and i look at the principle in action and see which one and they say well yeah that happened three months ago it started last night today's a little bit over three yeah that's one day over three months ninety one days how did you know that it was the principle the law reversibility says it comes around to make sure that you really didn't want that it really brings it back around to say are you sure that decision was a decision you want carried through why does it come around because we exercise a form of doubt inside of us that is not healthy for the dow that comes after we have skepticism th i doubt what you say is true at that point is just doubt if you just use what that doubt says i don't think what you say is true and act upon that as though it's not true that's very unhealthy doubt because you may be going against your own truth just not stated in your words but the actions would be yours when you redefine them or what is help the doubt if i have doubt about something that somebody tells me i use that dow to find out whether the dow was accurate it's not true or that the doubt is inaccurate it was true and the doubt then becomes a way for me to prove information it's very healthy to have that i would tell everybody get a good dose of it and you'll find your self not being calm and very much anymore not to yourself not to anyone else you just won't be doing it and when people doubt you don't take it as a personal affront on your integrity just take it that it is their doubt working to assure them of what they can be sure of and you can actually feel good that they're doing it because if they're doing it to you there's a good chance they're going to be doing it other places and when they come back to you and they're working for you you've got a one up on belief and trust in them what they say has been checked out is being checked out is representative of what they say and you're willing to go ahead and go on it so not such a nice feeling to have you know it's almost like loving somebody but it doesn't love because love isn't a feeling that's an emotion love is a commitment you make the decision based upon the feeling well as do it this way you have a feeling you love somebody you decide that's true that's the decision and then you commit yourself to them no matter what because that feeling is the horniness goes away after a while and then what are you going to do fall out of love love is a conscious statement your mind says you and i are going to do this no matter what either one of us say or does we're going to do this and list of some guidelines about what we're going to do and that's agreed to those and then let's commit to going to lean i want to know that your body that i am leaning up against i want to know that you want to be there and i you have to do is just tell me that you're committed to and i'm taking you at your word and you got mine if at some time you feel like you want to be committed to somebody else because that's where the karma is flowing let's talk about it let's wean me off let's get me so i can stand up and walk away and not see you more and more often not see you let me stand here you know what sickness is in the family when a person is getting sick and they're going in to die that's weaning us off them adam will go through so many emotional tribulations it's the same way of having your sweetheart your lover your wife come up  say it's all over or through and you go take it easy take it easy don't do it all at once but when they do that little of the time like one day they say you come home and there's no to says t v dinner in the refrigerator you're saying wait a minute we mean t v well least there's a team at least i'm being f but inside of you something goes mark down for a lot of separation i don't know if it's a lot so if i lie to the latte i don't know so you can just maybe it is maybe we'll find out in time but i do know that it is a weaning away and you know what really is nice about going in to illness for those who need to go into illness for their family is that you need to have a long illness before you finally get it through your head that you have to stand on your own and at the same time you're going to miss and if you don't you didn't have a good relationship to start with so why bother cry about and feel bad now you're going to miss missing them is because of the wonderful things that you had and you remembering them against the future when they won't be there but if you remember them when that happens in the future it will feel good even though they've been gone for ten years you'll remember the goodness not the junking this that's how we should be remembered from morning to evening all night long into the next morning the bible says the evil of today is enough the principle of life is change and yet when somebody does something two years ago three years ago five years ago twenty years ago yesterday this morning inside of us were going to kill them we're going to hold them to what they did you understand we i am going to hold that person too they said and did this five years ago and they don't remember it and they forgot about me but i'm going to hold them to it is just the sign of an idiot in action wate right now it's just really dumb to do that yet least call a person up and say i'm holding you to what you did five years ago and then hang up against me in there hold it against me i really must be wrong i got to think about how wrong i was for the last five years folks that's got to be one of the biggest crazies because i am going to create such a disturbance in my psyche that i'm going to start i'm going to start having bad dreams my visualizations are going to have that other person in i'm going i can't get them out my revenge is going to be so terrible that when i'm talking to the one i love i got revenge go on and i go what is it what is it you love me you're with me what's this other thing i go it's nothing forget they go forget it you forget it i'm trying to love you and this things in here you want to feel like like you're got a haunting going between you what tell me about it no because this is i tell you the one that brought had a five years ago and you are now both going to have it on me today and i didn't do it to they do to me today of what i did today and do to me tomorrow what i do tomorrow and then you'll be living in the spirit of life because that's a right now process well why don't why we doing to them why i don't know about wait and find out give me a break don't decide well if i don't decide for my kids that they're to go to school ok let's lift hairs we're not talking about purposeful direction in life we're talking about dumb poll time everybody understand we take what they did and then dump them on it now then it's up to date so you pick it up and don't put them on of the gang and if somebody else is around there don't put on them too and if somebody isn't there save a little bit for whoever shows up the toilet on them also then you'll be a bonafide human being on your way to hell but you don't have far to go because it'll be with you all the time and you know what's bad about that not that the person's got a long memory that's really too bad but that they're hurting so bad over what may or may not be true it may or may not be true why we already found out the people lie we also found out you make up things and tell lies to impress people can build your life on that and i'm saying don't be dumb people come to me with all sorts of stories you know what i do with them i listen because i love them the story i hope it's interesting you know i hope i don't get lost daydreaming off on something else when they get through i say is that it is that all  next yeah next you've got something else if not i have something else i'm going to be doing and i'm not going to be spending time with that person you know why because they're going to take what i say add a whole bunch of stuff to pass it off as mine and people say did you say that much i go yeah i said that much but i didn't say all the rest of this but they got away they got a rap through there i can't tell you how to cut it out it's a malicious cancer kill all of me and then get the little bit of cancer or kill the cancer and leave me alone what is cancer s that takes away your happiness that that takes away your good feeling about somebody that's coming to talk to you if they show up in your stomach you go and comes that person who's always got that negative story about the thing that happened when the doctor did their plastic surgery wrong fifteen years ago and i didn't know what i thought they look better now than they ever looked and they're complaining because it didn't look as good as it should look so what did you want to look like elizabeth taylor yeah but  i just wanted to look better than i look then start to think better start to act better and your physiology starts to change inside now that's a strange thing isn't it the physiology changes inside that camp possibly true that if i think better and i feel better i can change my physiology side when people are upset and angry i do my very best not to add to it i tell you why because when i've been upset and hurt i don't need anybody adding to those that come up and say we're standing by oh wow that's really neat what you do or you don't i don't you know i don't know it's really neat see what's bad sometimes i use the word bad in quotes because it's a relative thing and it's my point of view on it is that somebody will be saying or doing something bad to their spouse and the spouse will go and tell the friends then the friends listen to what the spouse is and they really don't like it because it's not a thing you do to humans shouldn't do that so then when they meet the spouse they treat them with a lie in love and minister to now the spouse knowing full well that let's just say he did it take all this loving caring concern that these other people are ministering to him and he says they're supporting me that she's no good and that's not what they're supporting they're supporting the person to get out of that terrible hurt press thing and quit blaming it on your wife we don't support your blaming you're blaming is a terrible thing if you want to feel better get out of blaming and you'll start to feel better but nobody has the wit to go to that man or that woman and say listen i love you what you're doing is lousy don't do it my ministry is to you i'm telling you don't do that i'm not going to have a thing to do with that if you do that to her just don't come in my house and i love you but i don't love what you're doing and we declare right at that moment our participation in our life with other people you know what does it cleans up the relationship real fast it also stops husbands going talk about their wives and wives going to their meeting and talking about their husbands going to stop people getting righteous support for something that's under righteous behavior and it lifts those two who are have the difficulty seeing the things you can't take sides because soon as you say to her yet he's wrong they go home and they go to bed and they change their mind and they he apologizes because he's scratche back and he goes well that's terrific then while they're busy talking she's well you know i was a with my girlfriends that she names fifteen of them at the meeting i told him the you know about how you had hit me and knocked me down throughout a bad because now she's earned a second time not only does she deserve the hit the first time she deserved to hit the second time and i reverse that and you got the same situation for the wife doing it to the husband but the point is not you have a right to abuse somebody that's not the point here i just don't go for that the point is be careful how you're supporting people because they'll think you're supporting them robbing the bank and you're not supporting robbing the bank you're supporting them getting a good job that pays well because they rob the bank you've got a lot of money is not the good job that pays well all of that are the things the movement is spiritual in awareness is not it is not those things if you see people doing that involved in in any of that just rest assured they're not doing what we're talking about doing here we're talking about going inside finding of who you are claiming that space way from all of the negativity you put in there see folks the only thing you can really use space you can claim in life is what's under your skin here what's under my skin that's the only space i is mine i can't take my space that you're in that's yours but i better have all my space be me and not have hatred for somebody in here or envy over here for something else are back here for something else because then i'm not in there anymore and those places will be sore and they'll hurt and every time i see or hear that that i want that somebody else has that pace will tighten up on me and i'll start to feel it emotionally  mentally i'll start to think about it and be disturbed i'm going to take me back from all that i gave way and  that that i think they have that like i'll just go get one like you keep get one like that place where i have hatred for you i'm not going to i'm not going to have that you can have the hatred i'm just going to have the love i'm going to have a fond memory of something else in there until i can feel the loving for you and if i never get you back in there again tough luck but i'm going to own space you understand that far too often we give over to petty things we give it over to procrastination we give it over to tomorrow or next week we get over to hatred revanche sometimes we give it over to righteous indignation and that one feels like we haven't given it over at all because there's an exhilaration that comes with being  just and right and i might do it even if you all die i'll feel exhilarated and that feeling will be i'm right you ever had a feeling and it was wrong you've got to enter that doubt on top of it to check it out to see that that is a correct feeling to act upon with the information that tells you how to act one eight hundred eight nine nine book that's one eight hundred eight ninety nine two six six five you can e mail us at w w w dot m s i a dot overarching or right to that which is post office box  ninety three five plus angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one one one three five this has been that much as was john rogers thanks for joining