that i live i live in hayward however i was born and partially raised in san francisco california since when did you make your way over to the i would say in junior high school my mother decided to move to oakland and purchased a home there was pretty expensive in san francisco so she was a single mom so i'm very well work at the postal service but as far as the cost of so yes i love and you know i was so funny i had been walking the lakes for years and i one day i was walking with a friend of mine and we were walking the much slower and we didn't i looked to the left and that's when i noticed  write when did you start writing that's a very good question you know i when i was such a child i know i used to take i'm only child i used to take books and copy them and write them yes well forward and that actually inspired me to write as well as draw but i still didn't have a desire to be a writer it happened a years later when i was a part of a prayer team at my church and it was pretty different how we did it we would we would pray and then we would do e mails so we would write out our prayers so that's what actually inspired me to start writing because i would write the emails ok and then from there i would start never been a part of the anthology so i wasn't sure if i wanted to do it but after thinking it through and i think i was the last person i was forty women from different states and we all flew to baltimore maryland for a book at least that was so exciting and this particular chapter each woman wrote a chapter called victorious living for women and we all shared a portion of our testimony and that will was very dear to writers to shoot out of chapter and you want to tell us a little bit about your chapter well my chapter it starts when i was only a well child in san francisco and growing up with my mother i felt that i was  the luckiest shall in the world i actually my friends thought we were rich because my mother just showered me with gifts and anyway as time went on i became saddened and i didn't realize women will be able to relate to that because that's a very common thing people try to dull pain with something external alcohol shopaholics that's just stuff you know we stuff to try to make  later on years later i struggled with the title ok there's too much hell in the church to this day still gets this controversy oh yeah you know some of ford and some was like how dare you i was so it took time and after i biology this is a solo project and the title sounds a little bit controversial but as an artist i feel like there's no wrong way to express ourselves it's very individual and unique you haven't said anything that we're not already now and actually you know the census for the past ten years every ten years they do the census and the census every year comes back every ten years come back only eight nine percent of the population claim christians  weekly perfect attendance the sunday school bible thumper but a lot of times people don't go to church because it's too much here on the church they expect those thoughts they see going to church all the time to be y church because they expected to be a perfect place and then the negativity that they see once they get into it runs right back out the door and i think it's probably something needs to be said and it's ok the title is ok with me and i also like that and vanessa miller a number of you may already know her she is sam a bestselling author and she had did an anthology and i was a fish sure if i wanted to be a part of it again and i think i'm almost at the last minute i was like you know i do have something else to tell so that was the number of women i believe in the back it has all of us and we shared a chapter that were right there i shared different things i had been through and i needed a safe to get through it and i would i would say one of the major things was my mother she had i was in the process of losing our whole and i had faith and i believed god that he was going to save our whole person's shares their hari their pays their mistakes things they've been through and overcome i feel i can trust them as you're making yourself here into my my advice and cost some person who has never been through  anything because they're high more stuff than you can reveal and plus when we reveal things that we've gone through and overcome we're really does getting in touch with people who've been through the same thing who overcome the same thing and we're empowering somebody encouraging somebody else who's been through a similar thing i know so many people whose mothers have lost their homes you know that it happens and it's share with you experience that went through and the pain that you came out of that even in the ho ill so i hadn't really done any writing i did have the the screenplay on mind you know the musical but i still just didn't sit and write and then when this came up i knew the time was perfect however i was like do i want to be a part of this because i thought i had shared everything generally every time i write it's i usually it's lately is just been my life experience something i've been through because i also feel that not only do others need to know it it also helps free you yeah you know it's like carrying a sword and you have it covered for years and years and not being healed into you expose that sore so with this particular this particular project i said ok what is it that i have not share and after i sat in my quiet time and i prayed and i thought the lord he took me to a place and it was it was a painful place actually and there was a woman who had said that she would never have an abortion ever the matter way she had she may have done things wrong but her stance was never to ever have an abortion and she was faced with this decision in her thirt had an abortion they're still hold that they're still hiding it or they haven't forgiven themselves for a day and we all have these issues with forgiving ourselves especially when we believe in god forgive us like that god forgive us like that but we hold on to this stuff and take forever to forgive ourselves and it's a very unhealthy yet some hold on our hurt just like you said about covering up a wound if you have a bandage on your arm this book let you know that it's very therapeutic to let your will ya have scars and we hear from them and then you move mine and whatever it takes for us the learn to forgive ourselves as a hard thing to do then we finally forgive ourselves we can here is victorious living for mom and that one was easy that was dedicated to my mother it was an anthology and it was a number of women they came together either they wrote about their mom or they wrote about their daughters so out their moms are about being a mom correct yes and i dedicated it to my mom i started from when i was a child in san francisco and i shared a a brief about her struggles when she was a child some of the things that she went through and she whatever she did receive she tried her best to give it all to me or parents died young so young and that's how we do with parents we hear our belt are you writing anything working on anything in that future well what's coming up at the polls to the musical stage production play that will be derived from there's too much of a church that may not have that title out however it will be based on that and then some revision because what i've learned in the writing process that was done in two thousand and ten ok so this is two thousand and fourteen minister myself i'll be speaking and then i have a number of other ladies said to be speaking this is something that i'm both in three churches that i used to be a part of so i have three churches coming together and  positive in the community