it's the new year two thousand and nineteen and i we have gathered the good old gang around to celebrate i am marilyn campbell and i'm moderating tonight and with me are bob brown are a there and tonight we are discussing some of the late releases of the year the prestige asker bay type movies or in this case golden globes bait movies  favorite and vice and both of which one golden globes for their lead actors i think old at the gold goes very recently and the favorites memory is damaged or yes i'm going to summarize very briefly the favorite bits about queen anne who was the last of the stuart monarchs i believe she was the daughter of james the second was enchanted and she was pla by loss and gout and stomach upsets and all sorts of things she didn't seem to have she everybody had to have a lot of dignity in the court but she seemed to not be that dignified she was falling all over the place but she has  rachael biases plays sarah and sarah's husband is a great military leader and there are there's political intrigue in the background along comes abigail played by emma stone who is a long lost cousin of sarah's fell  by tragedy everyone leaves me emotional but also sexual and it's a crazy crazy film rabbits involved and i would say that regardless of how much jockeying for power there is among these three women it's still the men in the background who have the power interesting interpretation bob which speaking of men in the humor along with very interesting portrayals of historical characters from particular dick cheney and his rise to power from being a mere aid in the halls of congress to the final run up to the white house as vice president that scene alone is worth seeing the movie how he works his way reels in the office and creates a powerful position that never but christian bale who just want to go globe for portraying cheney you know amazing you know i have to say the mannerisms the voice and everything but it's filled with surprising little humor is a bit so there was one part i just i just had to burst out laughing i was surprised i was the only one in the theater laughing when you think of the film is about to end oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah some people probably thought it was about to end maybe they hadn't followed dick kind of historical fams but the favorite is probably by my reading of various reviews somewhat less historically accurate than vice however film adam mckay kind of breaks the the fourth wall for many years between the audience and the and the film and has characters directly addressing the audience and has these kinds of things that couldn't possibly  of the director direct previously directed the lobster which is a sort of a sewer realistic movie it's of sort of a science fiction band to see bizarre it's a very bizarre movie this movie is in the i think they're either going to be very disappointed or very delighted because it's not that it's not that i mean clearly to me he took a historic fact which was queen and apparently  d sarah churchill who was a very powerful figure with someone who had been a chambermaid and just takes off from there and it's very it's very weird and so  somebody else take it i don't think it's a standard historical drama at all you know no i don't either i'm not i don't although we can't know exactly what happened between or among these three women so i'm taking for granted for granted that much of it didn't well the characterization of queen alone is enough to clue you in that this is not going to be very historical right the interesting thing about her is that although it only shows her with these two women in sexual situations where richie is vying one the other she had quite a few miscarriages in her nine she had seventeen i mean seventeen o two which is one of the reviews i said it's partly covered in this in a star on this historical period that there that that there is portraying he was alive for part of it yeah so she was not in bed with health problems yeah you know i i i'm interested in the word chambermaid in fact sarah abigail played by emma stone was a chambermaid initially in this palace but before that she had this high born yeah and my feeling was that she would be sent to sarah terribly because her family fell on very hard times including a terrible humiliation for her her father lost her in a poker game with that german for if to a fat german and she had to go and marry this guy and i forgot what happened they're not married i don't believe he said oh it's just a i didn't know but anyway so she comes to the palace i thought  on on sarah because she felt at one point she actually says something to the to the effect of where we where were you well when when this happened well apparently there a common grandfather had twenty one children and therefore there were a heck of a lot of questions for him and and and neither sarah nor i nor abigail we each other at all growing up is that that's what you read research but that's not shown  children you know she does that to queen anne nope she does it to lose we see it again she does it definitely doesn't and that's what was cementing this in my mind that otherwise i wouldn't have had this stupid  not particularly clever an operative who wonderful in any way finds a way to worm his or her way to power simply by being george bush who's not quite as on the ball and the lives of the submissive and cheney is a guy who's dropped out of school just worked his way in the oil field i think it is he's a definitely i think we're intended to see not only tell us but do you agree with the what i thought was the premise of this film which is that every ill that exists today was was caused by dick cheney it's it's the ground is being laid that's the suggestion very little power whatsoever but she wasn't on things she had power but she but that didn't necessarily know that she did this or you know how to use it and therefore could be manipulated by one party or another but the thing that sort of a little bit underneath this movie is that there was a rivalry going on between the tories and the whigs yes and queen anne was a tory naturally the landed party because her wealth came from  up from nothing person i wanted power for stone purpose she wanted to advance the ideals of the whigs and she said you you're done you don't want it for anything but yourself you're just one abigail's intelligence i think he she is trying to portray to someone who isn't teligent because she's always trying to read those books she's always sneaking they're out in the library trying to read books i think that's supposed to be it and it and and she she just doesn't she wants power because she doesn't want to be because they start her office a scullery maid in these terrible conditions which where she's sleeping with all these other sculler of millions and  wanted to have power and to make women happy when was the one with the agenda when with this of one with the political he ology and the quiz her via her or her entourage although she did pretty well for looks of the film right anyway but they portray her of course literally as lady macbeth if there were as that one sticking her has been to do dirty deeds because she wanted it and she's the one who says isn't it she unfolds that it's not as those they're going to say shakespearean lines and then of course they go right out and i've seen this full blown scene so you get the idea the whole film is sort of pitched at that that r with terry gross talking about this and he took out i see that everyone loved a woman oh it was a a musical number involving donald rumsfeld and cheney where donald rumsfeld is instructing him how to get ahead in lives i'm sorry yeah yeah even though even though dick was sticking by his daughter even when he was a vice presidential candidate and he did he did me did i remember that yeah it's a good point there was a sort of interesting backstory to lynne cheney which i probably shouldn't go into it's pretty mild into pretty awful having to do with her parents and dick cheney does take a stand against her father yet says if i ever see you come near the her or heard my daughter's again i want to kill you and that was pretty a pretty awful so you can sort of see where she came from oh it's actually the way she treated her mother who she's probably saw as the victim of abuse and violence she's very mean to her mother when her mother interrupts to ask if richard would like a cup of tea which is just part of it seventeen or eighteen years old at the time maybe nineteen and so she had no use for her parents in that relationship i think she was i think she was armed and very determined not to not to be exactly right and that's why she gives dick the what we don't know if this happened in real life but that she gives dick the ultimatum he has to straighten up and i and not be near do well drunk and do something and make something of himself or she's out of there so in that way she's very like abigail yes in the favorite they're just not going to go back  presidency but it makes you understand how somebody could be in that position and yet let someone like cheney really take over if he was ever that just we haven't even mention few minutes left to sum up what we think about these two movies both about as we've been discussing political power david does anyone want to make any any parallels to today's situation i would just like to say it's a little bit sort of what you're saying but a little bit different i have a lot of friends who have said i'm not going to see base really and the question and why because they don't want to be reminded of what's happening today they see it and they certainly don't want to be reminded of dick cheney and to those people i would say start developing an appreciation of good performance for this yes because i don't care what you think that this is so worth seeing for the performances and  we have to say one more parallel both of them will be a comin in christian bale who won the golden globes respectively both gained forty five pounds for their all and those people always get rewarded