tonight we're joined by a special guest he's the author of america's nazi secret is john loftus probably the foremost expert and to all the financier connections on the american and british sides with the funding of the nazis in world war two and everything that happened afterwards he will help set the record straight and we'll get deep into history thank you for joining us mr loftus it welcome thanks for having me could you first tell us about your background everything you did as an attorney as an intelligence officer and what kind of things are working on now sure it was an army officer then went to law school and was hired by the it's pretty general the united states and i worked at the headquarters of the justice department and because of my intelligence background i had very high security clearances many levels above top secret i worked on the cia cases and the nazi war crimes case until one day somebody got the bright idea of assigning me to see if th nazis hiding in america and i would find out there were they were on the cia payroll but the cia did know they were nazis our state department and the british secret service and nazis here and when it turned out that it was a bit of a cold war blunder the british intelligence agent that was sending us nazis to spy on russia was himself a communist agent so instead of getting the communist freedom fighters the dregs of that nazi war criminals were being sent to america and we had to cia's one that worked for the republicans in hidden inside the state department and the one that worked for the democrats see no one ever thought that truman would be doing and they had already hired the nazis when truman was reelected so at this critical point in cold war history it actually had to intelligence intelligence policy over the last half century so i'm sort of a specialist in the mission impossible the ones with the secretary will disavow any knowledge of their actions  were bankers they were in it for the money right so we get into the whole history of the cia that goes back to one of the wall street bankers many of them were scone bones who help set up the national security act people like harriman the wise men working with people like dolorous were do you see all this converging around world war two well it's funny people don't realize that some of america's finest families funded hitler there's going to be a documentary coming up pub american secret prescott bush we both went to germany in the same ship before the war so there were americans who poured a lot of money in fact one of the causes of the great depression might have been the relocation of american investment capital from companies like brown brothers harriman with the rockefeller set their money parked and then move that money to buy stock in german companies  was supposed to be a great big bargain germany had a hight tech monopoly in the thirty's but unfortunately he you know hitler came to power and instead of being a dog on a chain to keep the anti communists and the labor unions and hitler seize control of the new york investors funds and from then on it a choice they could either expose hitler or they could collaborate with hitler and try and save their money and sadly most of these people became traitors during world war two some of america's finest families came aid and comfort to the enemy and they kept financial assistance to the third reich going on all during world war two but hadn't they even before that set up the eugenics regime partnership between the anglo factions the rockefeller supported the kaiser institute all this had moved over to germany along with the industrial machines and the financing really met with the want of a very serious foreign policy and and kind of private partnership agendas welsh i think would it have is i don't want to overstate the case there were some wackos with a lot of money movement and they believed in racial superior in that those who had money were obviously racially superior ignoring the fact that they and for their money from mommy and daddy sometimes it done very despicable things to acquire the family funds the a genic smoove mint was it was so colorful that think that it distracts attention and people look for a great conspiracy when sharks swim in parallel lines they're not conspiring together they just all smelled blood in the water racing to get there first what we had was a was an awful lot of very rich to very greedy overseas as some of them invested in bolshevik russian and some invested in the nascent nazi party of germany well the russian investment didn't go so well but the german investment looked like it was going to pay off in spades nobody thought america would ever go to war against hitler and check it was hitler who declared war on us not the other way around church so going to the post war period leading up to the nuremberg trials you say they were fixed can you lead us to you know what all was going on with that the role of the justice department here in the united states in covering up all the nazis had been shipped in and talk about operation paperclip sure after doing surprisingly lost a truman they spy service inside the state department was in a rough place and they worked with the justice department on a cover up the justice department was in this up to their eyeballs they knew that nazi intelligence agents were being brought into america illegally and you know a lot of attention has been best buddy he was also a communist agent so instead of getting the nazi scientists who could actually build rockets we got the nazi bureaucrats we got the guys who will war criminals bureaucrat but what happened is the british made sure that the best of the nazi scientists went to moscow that's why sputnik came out first and all we got with the scientists that kept exploding rockets on the pad the wanted for war crimes or had a low nazi party number and the army slim's it all oh yes mr president and they lied to their teeth the this time in the state department fix the records so that these german scientists could come to america and as a whole larry this farce you know when kim philby finally defected to moscow all the state department could do was was burying the files until fifty years after as i stumbled across i was the first american to go into these underground vaults and look at the records of what really happened at the beginning of the cold war back when america had to spy agencies and what the state department and guys like allen dulles and this brother john foster dulles have done was beyond despicable the dulles brothers wanted to cover up for the american clients who are invested in nazi germany they did that by saying that well we and officers to spy on russia it's all hush hush well now that's how they shut down all the money laundering investigations and it turns out the money was being moved and shipping nazis to foreign countries as well yeah i mean you couldn't just ship the money out you know that was the nazis who were left behind would complain about it so they had to devise a way of doing that as well so here's the tragedy i have friends who are you know very off and i had that in writing so it was one of the most despicable things that our state department had ever done i was astonished you know it's incredible did you get more into the cover of how many documents have been destroyed in leaked and lost and covered up and kept under secrecy and how did you get access to them well you know the funny thing is you can't really destroy top secret files with this too many closets and in turn you want to destroy a top secret file you have to make records of its destruction so the best thing to do is miss follow so they don't the nazi records out in the vault where the nuclear secrets from a store so i was a newly appointed nazi hunter i thought i'd get a free trip to germany out of nothing about the subject but because i had all these super high security clearances i needed them to get into the false there were twenty vaults underground of suitland maryland each vault is one acre in size and top secret won't even get you close to getting much much higher so i was the first guy in a half a century who had every security clearance and the looks i was the only one who go to the index involved to and find out that there was a nazi file on someone and then go down the vault six and read that he had been recruited by the state department so i spent two years going through the classified files of every u s and nato agency and i was appalled koblenz we actually had one american spy agency inside the state department that allotted to all the others and it checks that's how much damage our state department did those guys on a single should have been home but that they should have been prosecuted and gone to jail the guys who should have been hung were the people account dulles that helped later in the war and then covered it up afterwards can you elaborate on his role during the war yeah allen dulles was the american intelligence chief in switzerland or the one and forty percent of the wartime supplies for the third reich move through switzerland and the supplies have been bought and paid for by dulles is american clients and some british quotes so dulles was sort of a double agent  he was supposedly working for the americans to get intelligence on germany but the same time he was really mostly working for the nazis to protect his clients invest them so law under the funds is very good so if you look at all the behind the scenes stuff going on with with the networking and the money that was there what becomes the real narrative of world war two why why are we fighting was justice served  who won the war what you know what happened at nuremberg how many people were really prosecuted compared with the real non si apparatus and how many people got away you see what i'm asking war to bootless you know a righteous war if there ever was one i mean you know hitler and nazi ism and their cruel racist doctrines had to be stopped i mean it wasn't a question really of a choice it would kept on invading one country after another to some stop at the british send out one we agree with the british so that this time this man had to be stopped the corruption we didn't really come on the american side and so much later  roosevelt wanted to put the german bankers on trial so they would say well we were only doing what the american bankers asked us to do and that way the german bankers at the nuremberg trial would wipe out the whole funding base of the flowing and covered it up that was giving aid and comfort to the enemy in time of war and my own justice department was this couple we had more than one hundred fifty americans from different companies who stayed in nazi germany during the war to help the nazis run their companies and general motors truck companies forward oil companies and these guys were arrested after the war kept in a special prison and they were all  dozens of not hundreds of examples like that right it will see union back in new york was run by prescott bush actually he was sort of the alcoholic son in law he was dumped at all the boys who didn't do much the evil god was his father in law robert walker president george one in berlin learning amsterdam or new york city matter which side won world war two war the mantra pop up and say hi i'm neutral give us all our property back and that's what happened the amsterdam back popped up and said oh those nasty nats scenes stole all our corporate property in germany please give it back to us and the allies did so you know you don't have to you know smuggle the money out  have gold trains it just have to move pieces of paper to show that you know whichever bank you want really owns the property and those are very clever theft that's what happened they paid off prince bernhard of netherlands the crown prince right guess he made over a billion dollars in this covering up the nazi money laundering so the netherlands after the war since then i'm not trying to connect dots when they're not there we've got prince bernhard who later found th builder bird group carried so many of these big american financier's the europeans as well and you see the harem ends from union banking you see the wise men john jay mccloy you see george kennan all these people part of this network that's clear there was a big financial settlement with mussolini in the new the pope before world war two and all and money was stupidly invested nazi germany so to keep them quiet about his atrocities during the war hitler said you know what just dribble the money back to the vatican as long as they kept their mouth shut about the killing of the jews they get the money back so you know if you want to talk about concert horrible conspiracies that actually happen security controls some of the largest reinsurance companies so the vatican became the money launderer of choice these guys by the way you can say that was an ideological conspiracy they tried to fund both hitler and stalin ok they didn't care who won it was all about the money  prove that henry kissinger ever recruited assays but i can prove that he worked at every classified file sent with the records of the nazis was stored and pershing was stunned so i became his secret source and he added a whole bunch of stuff  or can we get more into the justice department and their larger role in this and so many other incidents is really working against justice as you argue in many cases you know it was so said there was a special law that justice set up where the intelligence agencies could bring it up to one hundred people each year who are eligible to get visas to america let alone become citizens but the hundred persons a the attorney general signature was on the file so that the justice department told the cia and president truman and eventually congress that mccall in bed was part of the anti n poles this fellow ukrainians this guy was a monster the justice department created a whole fictional biography for the guy and so here i am sticking my neck out of a quit the justice department and go on one of the guys the committee chairman so that i could not testify in executive session that meant i couldn't tell any of the classified files i couldn't tell about nicola bet it wasn't so recently but i discovered how complete the lies were so the justice department itself their substantial responsibility for the protection of nazi war criminals in america and for the larger pattern of the media refusing to report on what's really going on clandestine files can be opened or reported on your book can't get reviewed for thirty years justice won't prosecute the people what are we going to do how are we to make it to the future in terms of all the criminals working within the system hide behind the national security act or hide behind you know anything they can use to their advantage but the whistleblowers like yourself are prevented from coming forward or or how we fight back against this you know the funny thing is in the long run the people that classified all the stuff stuck in their own hearts because sooner does there were files the came from the british and the british rule was seventy five years after a lapse before their files could be released so sometimes setting between two thousand and fifteen and two thousand and twenty historians will be able to find a path of the files make sense of them how they work because these guys left a riddle record of their crimes every time they censored something out of one of my books it was  then someone from the british secret service sits down it in n s a computer and decides which names to search for so we can literally pull a conversation out where the word israel they're spying on the other guys people that swapping information exchange to exchange the americans use the g c h q people computers to spy on the british people and the british secret service uses n s a to spy on american people rip of the nazi money using national security to cover up the movement of nazi money in the in the migration of nazi businessmen that's going to haunt the very corporations that  began that corporations are people in america well we're the only country in the world that treats corporations as people but people can be executed for their crimes and i think there's a reasonable chance that when all of these files come out our kids are going to look at the rockefeller companies and the harem and companies and say you guys don't deserve to be in business we're going to dissolve your corporations and give the stock to the victims apparatuses they built are off sure they have loophole after loophole it's very sophisticated companies they have now all of them here in america and all the evidence is going to show how it worked you know it's too late to destroy the files the guys that did this had dead and its successors and the corporations don't even know or where all the pieces fit so one of the ironies of the classification system is that it has preserved very well the fingerprints of crime and looking back to the corporations in america that made a profit off world war two on the wrong side of the war be very interesting if an all comes out i wonder what the people would think of if they ever actually sat down and read it and think that people are going to say that we fought world war two to make america safer not see retirement or rockefeller investments i think the republican party is going to take a big hit yeah  i respect their you say it's a republican party thing but i just don't see it when you see the connections between union banking and between rockefeller and so many other entities and although it's very integrated to me at the corporate level i could see but what i see the corporate level pursuing its own agenda yeah i think which ahead was a you know he had both democrats and republicans that had invested in germany in the twenty's and thirty's and then panicked and collaborate know they actually did more harm than good to the investors by classifying their crops so you know maybe some justice maybe it's too late for justice but it's not too late for the truth and if we find out what really happened you know with all that the movement of this money back in the twenty's my dad of these guys could fund hitler and stalin and get away with it what could they be doing now and i have a pretty good idea what they're doing now please tell us one of the nazi groups that we funded and protected after world war two were the arab nazis and this was a huge successful project of the numbers working for the third reich and they did trying various coombes example in iraq during world war two that was crushed but there were arab nazis or about three quarters of million of them at war's end and none of them were pottage because the british secret service guys like kim philby in the club made egypt a safe haven for all the arab states that brought them back to carol even the german officers that ran these programs were given arab names and converted to islam so the muslim brotherhood that was a real threat you know that they knocked off the king of egypt and and they were a threat when the new secular regime came in the fifty's they were expelled by then the dulles brothers had come to power under their gullible dubai's and the dulles brothers convinced the saudis to resettle the muslim brotherhood and all afghanistan we actually built through the muslim brotherhood a separate terrorist organization that was not controlled by cia it's the conventional wisdom as well by the risk of it was run by the saudis and the pakistanis what funded with american money but no one knew the money was going to these old nazi conduits and so when the war was over and america said all we won in afghanistan we threw the commies out we went home and left this goals they were against democracy britain america western culture jews they are very much second generation not since they were the reasons we're fighting al because we never finished the job against the arab nazis after world war two they were protected first by the british secret service and then by the dulles brothers and their intelligence service and it's a horror story that's coming back to haunt us the muslim brotherhood has now gained power through the ballot in egypt and is threaten to overthrow a whole crescent of states that are tending to go nets what's happened in egypt that's what's going to be happening all across the middle east and that's the legacy of the dulles votes mr arrest mr loftis the whole thing is a tangled web we're now partnered with al qaeda in libya now in syria the whole arab spring had a covert western uprising to it and yet the power falls to the muslim brotherhood how do you explain this channeling of power into the most extremist groups and the continuation of these terrible partnerships stolen cables and search for freedom house look at the whole story of what happened for about ten years democratic and republican administrations agree that we had made a mistake in backing the arab dictators in the middle east but some time somehow we had to make a transition to democracy while they're in the clinton administration and care on the course the idea was you know no more talk what still so we brought young people from all over the middle east washington and train them on how to use cell phones internet you know to organize demonstrations or even peaceful nonviolent overthrow of their governments and you'll cables that all these kids were told the same thing all of the uprisings a set to take place in two thousand and eleven that we thought that if these young people were so capable as to overthrow all these regimes they would certainly be capable of organizing a political group strong enough to win the election on that part we were terribly wrong the kids were just incompetence they only get half the job and so the israelis just them on that one most of the time it's ninety percent stupidity and ten percent conspiracy let's how the world of covert operations actually works or the create a mouse organization to train young people before two thousand and eleven uprising was a well intended mistake because they had only planned for the uprising and not for the elections to follow a huge mistake in may take decades for democracy to regain a foothold after the arab spring you know groups these illiteracy and they got away with all this pro nazi stuff you know during world war two and afterwards because the people who are literate know television and radio and cell phones have changed win but the arab spring was a very clumsy but well intentioned initiative sure sure now switching gears tomorrow is the anniversary of the seven seven bombings in london we've got a short clip of you from two yeah swat is believed to be the mastermind of all the bombings in london from the on the seven seven and seven twenty one this is the guy we think this is the guy and what's really embarrassing is that you know the entire british out chasing him and one wing of the british government m i six or the british secret service has been hiding him and this has been a real source of contention between cia and on justice department in britain and my six has been hiding now are you saying that he has been basically the british are protecting him because he's a double agent of some kind the americans don't know they're trying to capture him but there's the justice department they're interfering again and they're letting this guy skirt by what's going on with this case i know you haven't followed up on  recently they really haven't either but it's still part of this larger pattern of why we're so entailed in the middle east and what a tangled web all this stuff seems to be it's so hilarious he was a guy that was running from country to country and the cia would track him down and they say ok the local host country please arrest him and all of a sudden the guy would stop other figures in the british secret service was literally moving him and country to country in one step ahead of the cia the british admitted deal with  the islamic extremists turned on the british and began bombings in london and one of the another guy behind it was one of the very people us what that had worked for the british is an american connection to us what was once sent to america to build up a terrorist base here and who knows about oregon and the justice department authorized the indictment and arrest of everyone involved except us was the guys above and below him were on the  was never mentioned it just let it go free so it's a lesson in how the world really works a lot of people who are involved in the war on terror know that the justice of agencies helping us secret service and customs and ice and the f b i came in and shut it all down it's just too embarrassing a lot of the people the f b i had recruited let us what were double agents you know right under the nose of the f b i these guys had been building terrorist networks in america one of the reasons the f b i didn't share information with the cia and other agencies was because it was too charged with criminal contempt alyse tells the grand jury exactly how he got the money but he just lawyer say's afraid to because he knows he'll be killed and he'll be right on that point the money came was wandered through saudi extremists the exact address operation green quest so at least in one hour it closed down all the saudi money laundering networks in america but yet the justice department has been protecting the saudis who have been on both sides of the war against terror that nonsense has to stop now today we have eric holder in the fast and furious controversy has been found in contempt of congress is this probably the most public shame moment for  the justice department and the attorney general now what do you make of the whole eric holder that's the various case and what does it mean for the larger justice department as much as i just like eric holder a gets a green light infested areas there is no evidence whatsoever but he even knew about this was started under a previous iteration of the bush administration but the justice department is saying look you can't see our internal correspondence privilege i think it's a big mistake that there should be no executive privilege were a crime is suspected now i know that this time on fast and furious it's nothing more than a political stunt by the republicans in the house of representatives and shame on them for doing it but i think that we should start looking behind executive privilege where clear and convincing evidence exists that the justice department itself may have participated in crime under previous administrations because the same rule would apply should have applied to the justice department back when they were bringing nazis of them there that was illegal too but they never get touched right that was the thing with the gun walking was that kind of brought out in the hearings that it was going on during bush and then suddenly they don't want to talk about that anymore and kind of that whole contra pattern and something tells me it just goes on and on issa now has backed off he said well yeah there really is no evidence the holder no but we'd like to see the files anyway but you can't have a fishing expedition but it has now backed off remarkably because it looked like mostly it was that appointed bush and george bush and comfort to criminal organizations somebody has to be looking over the shoulder from outside the agency saying you know what it's come up to reality for a second if you know one  got to be recruited for the intelligence service ok final question what do you think is the best reform issue we can have with the clandestine issues how these things get nested so secretly and the whole larger workings of national security which obviously serves an important purpose what what is kind of the main issue we should be looking at as we hope to maybe change the system for the better in the years to come we have two options you really have a south african style truth commission where everybody gets washed up i think the simplest thing is that obama if he's reelected should just pardon everyone who within the executive branch who committed a crime or knew of a crime on the condition that a bribe from this company it would break the back of corporate influence in the inside the the executive branch it's time that something very simple very drastic should be done it's way too late for justice but maybe it's not too late for the truth i would like to have these people come forward and say yeah yeah we did it it was stupid it was wrong at least we stand a chance of rescuing the next generation from the crimes that we fail to prevent that's ok so i didn't properly put plug your book but it's excellent it's a very interesting topic america's nazi seeker we have it in for wars but tell us just briefly how it's part of this larger project part of the bell or secret that was shut down and then finally tell us where we can find your work your way so well i  website right now i have just been recovering from a series of back operations never jump out of a perfectly good airplane but the book is everything that was censored out of my books over the last thirty years after thirty years historian to ensure that those lies don't creep into the history books well i'm a former prosecutor and that's what i'm about i'm trying to make sure when my new career is a historian that we keep the lights from getting passed on to the next generation well said and well quoted thanks very much for joining us in the councils of government we miss carr guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence whether by the military industrial complex the potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist we must never let the weight of this combination in danger our liberty or democratic process we should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry and the proper making huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and go so the security and liberty may prosper together yet in holding scientific research and discovery in respect as we should we must also be alert to equal and opposite danger that public policy could have so become the captive use of a scientific technological elite i think that right now the question is do we all work for want this is that free we do look markets are driven by policy and how they're not driven by market forces there or even by fiscal cliffs they're driven by central bank proclamations they're driven by false rumors