of the show good morning welcome to changes the program on sustainability i'm susan gregory the coordinating producer of the show and in the studio this morning is  who's about to do her very last show with us before moving on to other things so good morning celia and i know your niece i think you are having a really good lined up for us and we'll miss you but in the meantime let's enjoy what you have brought in today so due to today's radio show being my last show i wanted to interview two students of you are you to let listeners conceptualize what v becoming in terms of sustainable food issues and i'm moving on i'm leaving vi you moving on to a new job and these two students stacey davidson and martin middleton are staying another year at least if you're you and they both have done really exceptional work on campus and nationally and stacy will speak a little bit about her international work experience and i want listeners to hear what's up and coming for the community and the school so it's a bit complicated so i feel like i've been a very long time but this particular issue that i'm talking about today i was introduced by a friend of mine he sent me by e mail the application form and so in all honesty is the first time i actually knew that i use connected to something this big so i was kind of exciting prospect for me and stacy you're referring to universities fighting world hunger that's right so we are you is part of a consortium of universities around the world called universities fighting world hunger and it's driven by the united nations world food program and via you just joined this consortium a couple years ago in twenty thirteen international development week i believe and since then we've been formulating how do we actually get more involved with this international agenda and action so stacy you attended the conference and  representative which is really exciting it was my first time in golf and teria so and what what made you become more interested in food issues outside of just the classroom what inspired you to go to this conference for example a huge part of that was just my involvement with right now in the nursing program i'm on shelter in duncan and so obviously when you're dealing with homelessness and poverty there's just there's some food insecurity issues there as well as i travel a lot internationally so i've gone to places like madagascar in africa south america and just seem a lot of food insecurity issues and and health issues poverty issues things like that they're happening globally so that that experience sort of crystallized what hunger means to you outside of the classroom exactly a better picture and you just attended the university's fighting world hunger conference and twelve like i mentioned so can you give us a little bit of background or even what what is a b are you doing how is it participating in this consortium of universities this is actually a big thing for me as i learn because at this point i met a lot of really amazing people but almost everybody is from back east and in terms of being from the west there was myself from vi you and a student from berkeley california they were the only ones basically west there's such a huge movement in terms of food security so i think it's a great opportunity that's really interesting that's a similar experience that i've had with other international programs that the west is somewhat isolated because we don't have that direct connection to ottawa and toronto where the international hobbs really are yes what do you think that means in terms of people's ability to participate in the west i think i think it just gives us tons of opportunity because it's not a big representation so it can go anywhere and part of this program is that i started auburn university and the whole reason it's even moved to go well was because the one student who talked to the dean of their school and had a passion about it and brought forward the importance of bringing it to canada and to the university one conversation about this whole the ten year summit to canada and involved a lot of commuting universities as a result of it so to me that's inspiring that's definitely a good spot and really empowering in terms of what the impact that one individual can have to go back home and how fast you can grow was there a highlight experience with this conference for you or one particular memory you'd want to share many mostly i think it was they brought forward a lot of guests and it was very well represented in terms of politics and agriculture and students teachers doctors and a lot of different projects that came forward from students and how simple those projects where how supportive that the teachers were in moving forward with the projects which gave a lot of power to the student to actually carry forward their ideas sometimes a student can kind of feel stuck in in your own little program or your own little world so this was a really inspiring way of bringing forward so many different ideas are you referring to applied research exponential learning projects both of those as well as even just there was entrepreneurial projects there was just basic community projects working with say the homeless there was a global initiative supported by universities and teachers nationally as well as you know from a research perspective so one one problem or downfall of universities that i've experienced is that compartmentalisation of disciplines and ways of learning and ways of knowing and i think it's really important to bridge those silos by giving students tangible experience and and the ability to connect with their community beyond and beyond the classroom and then  transcend the one discipline that they're learning and so that's really exciting to hear what were some key learnings that you could share was there any any specific facts that stood out to you or anything that totally blew your mind from this conference two things that a huge huge part of it was they they kind of gave their research on how the whole movement started back in the post war era and how the u n and people from around the world came together to try and fight global hunger issues and we're still at the same point today and in fact a little bit worse so here we are coming together again you know fifty six years later and we're still having the same issues on the table so that was kind of a big shock in fact and the thing goes back to your sense of interdisciplinary action from this conference i was surprised at how many people are actually from the business and marketing side of things and everybody kind of thinks global health is that agricultural issue or a health sciences or exclusion work issue but it's really not and it can involve everybody and it's actually better if it involves everybody so that was a big a big piece for me more diversity of thought and creativity definitely yes the idea of going for that you never would think of from a different perspective that's cool that's really exciting so much of the food work that we focus on it via you in my experience at least has been really looking at the local food issues for example vancouver island is extremely food insecure almost ninety percent or above ninety percent of all of the food that islanders consume is imported and that means that we're really vulnerable so we could go hungry if suddenly there was a disaster and we could no longer import this food via ferry or or airplane i'm wondering did did you get any learnings on how local food security issues or local food insecurity i should say connects to global hunger from the conference self not so much although there was deathly some talk about how at any point any country could be in the same position and how much politics and global intervention plays a part so and that aspect of it really just kind of promotes involvement in general and awareness on all different levels of food security because everyone can kind of say oh we're going to be fine it's no it's not a problem in our area but it's not it's not true it's a common misconception that the world doesn't actually produce enough food to feed everyone and and the world actually produces more than enough calories for every single person that exists on this planet yet the problem or one of the main causes of hunger is a crisis of distribution and also a crisis of politics and a crisis of freedom or the right to access food or the right to own land and i think that also to me it helps me to understand why it's so important to build up the food security of vancouver island because although we may always have food security in our grocery stores and it feels like we have an abundance of food that might not always be the case in terms of changes in distribution changes in government changes in our rights changes in the environment i think are to see that sometimes the therese and ferry prices and how the prices of food go up and suddenly we're able to afford to eat the same way so that the conference you attended focused on hunger and because you're a nursing student i'm wondering if you can explain a little bit about the difference in terms between hunger global hunger and malnutrition what is the difference in those definitions that actually was a big topic at the conference and there are some projects related to that and i think one of the big key learnings that we take from this is that there isn't a lot of difference and that hunger is a encompasses malnutrition because people think that as long as they have enough to eat that they're fine which is not true and so there's a this big discrepancy in amount of food and quality of food and so then we figure that we're eating fine here but yet there's huge malnutrition issues in terms of you know what we're actually ingesting and in other countries it you know we're pouring rice and these food boxes on people but it's not giving them the quality of nutrients they need and so they're suffering from a deficiency b twelve  food but not getting the nutrients they need exact calories verses what you're buying used to actually fuel itself is a completely different subject and in terms of personal hunger like the personal experience of feeling hungry and wanting a meal and global hunger can you explain what the the biggest difference is there personal experience of hunger i guess i mean one of the one of the factors is that if you're used to eating a certain amount of food throughout your life you don't necessarily notice what you're missing as opposed to what people here when they're going through different life cycles they can have a lot of food and instantly you can afford a lot of the kind of go through this up and down  as a lot of people that i've met in other countries there was constant level of hunger and so they're always hungry as they get used to always feeling hungry that's i'm not sure that was kind of where you're yeah definitely and also in terms of i think you you totally nailed it and that personal experience of hunger can be a fraction of time and it is not a constant and yet global hunger is a systemic constant issue and whether or not the same individuals are experiencing it at every given time is irrelevant it's not that it is constantly existing somewhere and it's important to think why why is this happening why is such a huge percentage of the world's population constantly hungry how can you explain how our local behavior has an effect on hunger around the world i kind of feel it thank you alan is a bit more progressive in terms of thinking about other people outside of the island maybe because they are isolated i'm not sure but i think i think there's definitely this the so idea that big aid organizations are the ones that can do the work i'm just a small person i can make a big difference in terms of the amount of people that really need help but then the congress they talk about eight hundred million people suffering from hunger on a daily basis i mean if you think of that number as a you know even a small university like yeah you how do you just that where do you go how do you take it and so part of this university is fighting world hunger was the way to kind of take it down a notch and be aware of some of the issues affecting global hunger as well as on the local level but also being being empowered to be that one person that can make change and sometimes all it takes is a conversation to really have an impact like that it's not awareness yeah totally awareness and and and bringing the conversation to people that might not have thought about it or or empathized about exact is really important so how do you know versus play a role in fighting bigger amazingly i learned a lot about this just on the small of the things people can do it's some of the projects that some of the university students had come up with like i say a few examples because this was one of the most inspiring things for me and these are people that were you know eighteen nineteen years old so don't think you're too young or old or everything is possible with the right support one person to come up with and interfaced web based interface to you to source food for different homeless shelters in washington d c because there is a big problem with having to much food going to one shelter and it not being distributed evenly and then being wasted over time and so this is that if you face her shelters could sign up for what they needed and stores could deliver it to the shelter on a need basis eliminating waste something totally simple like that and it's made a huge huge difference in the lives of the people that need the food because now they're getting a variety of uses that are just one big shipment and they're not fi themselves with a surplus and then without those kind of high drive moments and another person was a business student who's traveling to cambodia and he saw that there was iron deficiency within the local people and so kick a business proposal forward he designed something called the lucky iron fish and all it was is a little iron fish made locally in cambodia that they would put into their cooking pots and over the five years  was how long it lasted and it was slowly released a little bit of iron within cooking and there they've been following it with some research in terms of you know iron levels and blood and how these people are feeling all these different levels of research to make sure their project is developing properly and it's made huge differences in the lives of comfort and it's a small simple affordable project and yet so brilliant and so brilliant and they're and they're locally  now in canada and hopefully they're going to move and they have supporters like burberry while so and this is only within the last year what is there is there significance to the fish is that something special to cambodia yeah actually and that was part of their learning and how they're researching and growing in developing their product is that they first had a big iron chunk and they thought that compliance you raise were low or lower than to people taking iron supplements or shots and so they developed  a meaningful symbol in the fish which is what's called a lucky iron fish because it's a symbol of luck and cambodia when they marketed it as a lucky symbol that suddenly every family wanted to have it why and now they have over ninety percent compliance rate using it i think that i'm not speaking so or that's so indicative of how social food is that diets and hunger and the ability to eat goes well beyond simply consuming in the right amount of calories it's about how we interact with the world and how we interact with our peers and our families and what it means to eat in our community it's so and for me i also took away that it was very important not to assume that we know what is best to go in there and just by asking questions and by trial and error they were able to you find a solution that works for the those people who there's one perspective on eating food that's sometimes referred to as the reduction of perspective and that's looking at food in terms of what nutrients is that made of what calories what you consume by eating that and then people will calculate their diet so i'm going to eat this many calories per day and that comes from this amount of food and yet they're forgetting in all of the social repercussions of it and how it affects the met their mental state and how it makes them interact with their families than and whether or not they're celebrating it or enjoying it so there's there's so much beyond simply reducing your food to calories definitely as a viewer you student next year do you see yourself applying what you've learned at this conference to campus life or to your personal life yes i can i don't feel like i could go and how this level of awareness now and not do something with it even if it's just educating and helping other people become more aware of some of the the global issues as well as the resources of where they can go to find the support to move forward if they do have an idea they do you want to try and and help make a difference because there's so much more out there that i thought was available to t diversity students so cool it also is inspiring yeah and it's amazing and really exciting to me that some ideas that change an entire city or municipality are coming from universities like the example in washington d yeah just don't give up and don't don't let anyone tell you it's not possible because these are just normal human beings coming up with ideas to help others makes me think of how seattle in seattle it's illegal to throw food in the garbage now and there's places on top of garbage cans to leave your leftover food i guess so for example you don't finish a pizza that you've bought downtown you can leave it on top of the garbage can and then someone who's hungry can pick it up and it's such a simple idea and also will take i think a lot of cultural behavior modification in order to encourage people to do that and to encourage people to rethink what it means to see garbage as edible food but it minimizes food waste and it also allows so many more people to access food that wouldn't have otherwise access to it so such simple ideas can go a really long way do you have a vision stacy of an ideal future for youyou in terms of fighting against hunger or in terms of working towards a food secure island i think i would i really like to promote yeah you getting more involved with the universities fighting world hunger program because it is like a collection of different agencies for support and then from that from that has people think kind take their own ideas and carry them forward but i think there's a lot of future potential to be involved especially from the west coast represent ya let's make the west more involved in these international issues so thank you so much stacy that's really interesting and exciting and i'm going to take a brief break so suzanne can highlight some community events and then after that i'll speak to martin and bring the conversation more towards the local context of eating in zero or ten miles i had what is it m fifteen mile fifteen mile diet so i'm excited to hear more about that that's going to be great thank you to syria we'll just remind our listeners that you are listening to see h l y one a one point seven f m your campus and community station based in downtown and i'm all but of course heard as well at c h o y dot ca where we stream live and pod cast and actually i'll just mention while you were talking i remember that as i was coming into the station this morning i saw the food for you truck go by that's loaves and fishes yeah that's an amazing program that's a fantastic it's a food recovery program that's doing very well i think in terms of keeping food going to people rather than into the green bins or whatever and that and that program started from a simple idea to use refrigerator trucks in and imo so transporting food that would have been thrown out from grocery stores to the food bank and now they have so much food at the food bank that people can apply for these free items to use them in their community programs whether because even classes or other outreach hot soup programs so it's it's really exciting for the city of new and imo that's great yes but there's still room for that program to expand so the more we can all do to help that out the better i think so that's something to check perhaps on line it's just food number for you i think it's the letter you and it's through loaves and fishes so yes thanks for that extra information just few events here there is a lot going on right now at v a i use deep bay marine field station including spring break marine biology camps next week for ages six to and they're also having herring spawn wildlife boat tours this week as part of the brant festival and those would be marvelous if you're new to vancouver island that's a really good way to get acquainted with the straights and our coastal area so do check that out there's also a spring lecture series and even t by the sea on tuesdays actually they're doing quite a bit with food up there so that's going to trysting they've even got cooking classes i think so you could find out more by going to triple w dot vi you dot ca slash deep bay and they have details on all of those things something else that i just want to mention is please keep dogs off the beach during brant season especially in the area from raf trevor to quality because the brant stop here on their migration to feed and rest and disturbances have driven them away and that jeopardizes their ability to reach their breeding grounds in a healthy state so it's one of those times when we can be mindful of sharing our space with other species the program that you're listening to on c h l what i want to one point seven f m is changes and today celia white is talking with stacey and martin movie i used to dence working on food security issues and now it's going to be martin's turn fifty mile diet that fifteen miles so first of all as a viewer i used to didn't can you explain how are you first introduced to food issues well i think i've been interested in food and nutrition for some time an interest in what we put in our bodies and how it keeps  healthy and and also how it relates to like all the the prevalence of diet related illness especially here and i can western society i guess but one time in particular was i took what me electors are taken throughout my degree was nutrition for sport and health and we had a speaker come in actually jenny horne who actually owns a farm in a community living in couch and left field farm or believe it is and she came in and spoke about some of the things or as actually were a spark an interest in food security because i didn't realize how food insecure we actually are on the on and i i've heard people say before like we have between three and seven days that also in b c ferries can't fill up the grocery stores and i always thought that was really like wow and she she spoke about that issue and also the fact that the western society spends the least amount least percentage of their income on food than anywhere else on the planet as you mentioned before too and it's like i just it was it was interesting to me that for you sparked more of an interest another example of how one conversation can make them having impact those similar to me in watching the food inc documentary i think it's called and that was a huge turning point in my lifestyle and that the things that i choose to not eat or eat such an impactful film really interesting so i can you say to that that's funny you say it too because we watch food inc and another elective class i took health and wellness and deathly oh my was like you know i have no idea i just knew awareness i guess and what i like about that film is it talks about not only the extra analogies on the environment but also on the animals that we're eating and on the people that are part of the food system that we are the beneficiaries of basically so i'll never forget the scene i think they're talking about the workers fingernails that fall off i can't remember if they're working with some sort of meat but it was so disturbing to me that i've always like i always think about what am i doing to other humans by eating this food and who is involved in  after watching that show actually i remember the yammer i remember that they really thought about especially like meat protein it really made me change my views about god and focus on i want to know where this comes from for protein yeah so just to give the listeners a bit of context can you explain what you're doing what is this new diet that you've started us for sure so this is a project of doing for fed for i'm on which is scholarship and support health and physical education and it's kind of the capstone colony class of degree if you're taken the major and the major is physical education physical education yeah but the faculty is sport and health ok in the name as well  essentially the professor got the message or the mystery about right he's really encouraging for all of us for our final process to do something never really really interested and passionate about because we're expected to build a depth of knowledge in a certain topic or or whatever we're going to be looking into researching and so i want to do something in my own community i love the community live in i'm really interested in being physically  active and nutrition and food and growing food and and so i decided to do first i was going to do a ten mile diet because i was really interesting the concept of one hundred mile diet i thought that was really cool it staying local relief keeping the money in the community and so i wanted to do something on a smaller scale in my own community and so i first thought because i was going to get everything on my bicycle as i thought that would be as a testament to the hard work that goes into local food production and how hard these farmers work and the important job that they're doing really important work so i first was going to do a ten mile drive but then i actually bumped up to fifteen because of the time a year like february  market they get their produce from there and also over open up all of salt spring because they have some really unique products over there too and yes so as such i was going to the whole for one month is going to eat only things that were grown within fifty miles of my house right  in duncan and i was going to get all the gather all that with my bike cool so essentially fifteen miles is quite strategic it's not just an arbitrary number you know yeah i mean like i said ten miles originally and i opened up fifteen because there was a certain farms i want to get to include being the time of year knowing that some more challenging time a year so fifteen miles is what i came up with and you can just get more fit now you're breaking along just absolutely yeah cool and then when i pitched it to the guy he was right on board as well so so yeah she's she's in the house of me and and right on board and been really supportive in fact she's you know sometimes we switch off like i mean me doing this food option and she's with me and she says she's right on board and she's been super supportive i'm glad that you have other people to experience this with because food is such a social activity and can be really isolating to change your diet drastically yeah yeah it's interesting too because that's the one thing we discussed at the beginning we knew that probably for the most part anything are going to be eating we're going to be eating it from our kitchen because there's not very many places that you can go to where one hundred percent of the food is sourced locally some places are doing a really good job without but at this time of year one hundred percent of it that's challenging definitely and we didn't really want to change like remembers retarding like we don't want  alter like the fact that we can we can't go to you know our parents house for dinner that sort of thing we knew that it would change my have to bring some of our own stuff but we still wanted to go to different places and whatnot but how did impact for sure and how long are you doing this can you speak to any difficulties like i would i'm really interested in knowing what was the most difficult how bit or food or addiction to give up well initially for sure coffee because i don't drink a ton but i drink one to two every day probably for the last twelve years and i'm sure most people in north america you know well that's when i write about talking to people but that's they say i can do it and i don't know of that i could either  and so for the first four or five days there was i can't confirm that the headaches were from caffeine withdrawal but i think it was and it was from some sort is in the drop down now and so that was that was coffee i can't go for coffee with friends especially initially because i just i just didn't want to be sitting there what people are now i know problem even after the first week but yeah coffee for sure  to learn how to make these new products yeah really i think i wrote my blog at the start it was i felt like we were kind of part of this weird sociological homestead experiment because we even to make bread obvious you don't have to make bread but jenn's allergic to eggs and peanuts so the breakfast is sometimes a little bit tricky so we wanted to make bread and we made our own sourdough starter so we used basically no grain often sources that what they were didn't have the red face they had at that time was from armstrong so i found these local red faced wheat berries from providence and i phoned them at true grain and they were kind enough to allow me to bring it that was that it was an interesting experience so i rode my bike out there and i got some pictures in and it was at the very beginning so i wasn't i wasn't as i was still learning i know i can see what i need to blog i can think about what i'm taking pictures and video and whatnot so yeah i got a few pictures when i was out there as it was cool clones i love being exposed to those hidden parts of the food system sort of like the t v show how it's made you know what it's called where where you see like oh how smarties made and then it goes it shows you the warehouse and all these really fascinating processes and i like to personally sort of go through that experience for things that i eat commonly every day but never think about what does this actually look like  plant form and and how did how is it made to go and see that red fife wheat being milled is no more interesting and empowering to her for your ability to control your food source and to know what exactly is going into your body you know i think because i think there is a real disconnect from from people from their food and that's part of the problem so this has been a whole sort of reconnecting to like a kind of a lost art hadlee but i think that that's changing yeah yeah i was there most difficult period of time during the start for you i still go back to that i think that the second day when i was going through all this in my head like oh i can't a month really i don't know if the second day for me was one of the worst and then i had a i had a midterm on on the fourth day and i had headaches and i was just i was just a little bit two i think was probably the worst and it was a beautiful day we're on our bikes ride into cow bay it was like i should be yeah it was that was one of the worst days for sure and i think your example of same or having that that you would no longer be able to meet friends for coffee that's a really poignant description of what food means to us because you're giving up on more than just certain types of foods you're also giving up on habits and on social interaction and what this food represents to you so coffee can represent so many things whether it's a date or that the legitimate excuse to get together and chat with somebody well and not day is well on day t little visit with them and say hi and so we stopped in there and we had brought a little snack from home we brought some one of one of our few apples because fresh fruit is not abundant are not available besides frozen but anyway so we stopped in there and the and this really nice cheese and that sort of thing but it's like ah i mean you know open the fridge of the coverage which i do often is like you know i was it was that was a tough day you know and then later that day was like replenished ourselves in the second day i don't know we actually went for dinner and sisters and sister sisters place and lisa meth and we had to bring our entire meal and they were like making this they had all these really nice out like really nice food but not one hundred percent if within fifty miles and sam in the end i why would i not eat this sound this is ridiculous like it's from the coast but it wasn't from within fifty miles and it was like right in front of me while we're eating at the table here just so  just fifteen miles and not as strict as this month has been for you but i definitely limit my food options based on seasonality in the winter and therefore mostly eating apples if i'm eating any fruit and not come in the summer i'm like i do not want to see an apple ever again but just so tired of apples that limited diversity of food is something that we don't often have to experience so that's a good point too because i mean i call this the fift mile diet i really didn't like the term diet but to call fifty mile seasonal eating experience just wasn't the same sort of title you know catchy title i guess but essentially that's what it is we're just really eating seasonally which fifty years one hundred years like that's what everybody did this whole concept of be able to go down and buy whatever you want any time a year is kind of a new relatively new yeah and very new and i'm not sure what season he knew he would get you would be sick of something at the end or some things have a really small window and you could just not really be excited about and this year has been a kid growing year in for the wintertime so it's kind of locked out that way because i wasn't sure were going to salads like i had a lot of salads like just putting all different things in it and there's so many people growing different green scale like spring mix asian greens and spinach and we've had amazing salads the whole thing and just to appreciate the flavor of the lettuce is that was that let us yeah and amazing experience for me and some of them are so spicy and peppery and it's wonderful to test out a variety of lettuces instead of going to the store and looking at the variety of packages right there's the illusion of diversity in grocery stores and i think that allusion is really satisfying or comforting for us but if we do start to experiment with the real diversity in terms of nutrients and colors and flavors that exist naturally but so much more beneficial for our bodies i thought she hadn't eaten lettuce i just usually buy spinach i'm going to get it from the grocery store what i had eaten lettuce in a long time and i just recently got some from one of the farms  farms in couch and and yeah it looks there was all these different colors and it was a it was a different it was really nice like it was really really tasty and i don't know i just won in la just for ever and it was just so many amazing things let's go i want to talk a little bit about cost because obviously there is the cost of some purchase in your in your local diet are probably more expensive than ingredients in a regular quote unquote grocery store meal and i'm wondering if there are some items in particular that there's a big cost difference in between yeah and actually cost is because i'm talking to you about this over the last basic two months is one of the first things that comes up for most people they really most people want to support local but they're you know worried about the cost and i think that everything plus the other thing is you have to kind of compare app apples apples and oranges oranges to the other thing is if you're going to compare locally sourced produce and meat protein in red products and whatnot don't wait even to compare you have to compare it to organic prices in the grocery store for sure but in the end a lot of stuff pound for pound yes it is more expensive for sure that's without taking into account the cost on the planet and for the people and of all people in the halls and that sort of thing definitely so everything is a bit more expensive but then the other thing is is that you know you're going quality over quantity to maybe i think reader we have less like i've never noticed our fridge being just jam packed or you can't fitting in there like because we emptied it all at the very beginning m p l or fridge cupboards freezer everything so that only fifty mile foods were there which is a pretty interesting experience in itself but yeah so so i mean definitely we it's more expensive but i think we use it more sparingly and really appreciate like yeah i think that because that's the first thing comes up and i've been thinking lots of how do you because there's sort of behavior i guess how do you go with behavior modification around people spending habits because people are protective about their money i do understand some people don't have a lot so but it is more expensive but bottom line our bottom line like grocery costs have not increased but we haven't eaten out at all we're not buying coffees here and there but i haven't totally finalized have realized all the costs but but our costs initial cost wines have went up so it's more the ingredients that cost more but it's not the overall meal that's costing more or the overall health benefits that's come up that are costing more yeah yeah that makes sense and you mentioned a re ally important point before that canadians spend the least percentage of their income than any other people in the world and that's also true in terms of canadian history that we're spending the least amount of money in terms of the percentage of the income that we make than any other time in canadian history and yet there's still the belief that food is too expensive and we're spending more money than ever before on food does this bring up any thoughts for you in terms of the experience you've just h well i've i've mentioned that to a few of my friends to and and they're all quite surprised to hear that sight what like how can that be how can that be especially so i mean i don't know  trying to think of i mean for me it's just a priority for me just i mean i always think of if somebody is like a runner and they're really into running rather than go buy five pairs of low quality shoes they won't even bat an eye at really quality expensive pair of shoes because that's what they they use them a lot and it's something that's really important to them and for me that's food and i place a real priority on actually during this time i counsel cable and i counsel my home phone i try to do a couple things to sort of cut some costs other places but food is def the a priority for me were household for sure i definitely think that what we spend our money on is reflective of what we value in our lives so in terms of spending a lot of money on coffee maybe that means we really value social interactions with people or maybe it is because we're addicted and we value that addiction and the very lol percentage of the money we spend on food i think is indicative of the broken food system that we're now living in and how we no longer value food or more quality food anymore as a as a collective as a society well now now that we actually the downtown duncan farmer's market is only about a climber from where we live so i betcha eighty percent of what would be needing has been from there which has been really convenient and i think it's one of the most thriving markets going right now especially for the winter but now when we go there it's i feel like i'm buying food for my friends like i've met so many different farmers and so paying a bit more for food i know i'm getting quality i'm know i'm getting food that's been harvest peak of rightness flavor and nutrient content but i'm also supporting these people that are now i would many of my ever consider friends so that makes some of the higher cost it doesn't seems much more acceptable definitely and i think that tara's back into what stacey you were talking about about global hunger because not only is hunger a cause of problems with her crisis with distribution it's also a crisis with control and having control over what we're consuming is probably the greatest power that we could have as an individual as a human on this planet because it's food is medicine food is celebration food is culture food is friendship and being able to control where it's coming from and control what impact we have on others through that consumption is probably the most important stand that we can take and supporting local growers to the only way they can produce more is if people support them by buying more martin i have so many more questions for you but we've run out of time and i'm wondering for listeners if they're interested in learning more help maybe how they can participate in something like this or ask you more questions of your experience can you give your blog you are out there you want to check out my blog it's triple locavore dot wordpress dot com and yeah i can check i have lots of pictures and you can check out my experience on the blog for sure cool yeah so really cool so we thought was very fitting us on this beautiful farm property and so that's what we're going to do that for lunch a number of probably going to go out for dinner saturday night somewhere nice i think where yeah but yeah i'm looking forward to a chocolate yeah yeah i feel  chocolate i don't realize i love it well thank you both so much stacy martin really interesting to think about hunger and food security and the global scale and then also on the local scale and how we can get involved in both aspects as individuals and also the potency of our individual actions i think it's important for listeners to be reminded of that and i'm excited for viewers future because of these amazing students that are around so thanks so much for your time thanks for having us yeah thank you thank you celia for bringing stacy and martin in today that was excellent last show and thank you so much the much appreciated that is our show check us out on facebook and on behalf of our production team thanks 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