it is only life and i don't mean life but there's it's a life to try to figure things out while you're alive and i will be wilson and we are c l community media dot org dot com here in seattle we're honored to have our guests here tonight going on because we have our panel here that i'm going to have dawn and erin to help everyone find out certain things about ourselves who we are what we're trying to do in a community that needs to survive in a world collapsing economy think about that and that the cannabis issue certain things about that goes way back in history help to be part of the economy as well many many basic basically throughout all history not just now and i want to get to the root of this discussion because and i don't mean to have proof but i mean the thing is is that people you've got to think about this you know you cops that are going to have to have your paychecks coming from revenue from this you better think about that and it may be you federal cops don't get don't think about that one either yeah maybe you should think about that i don't want to either because i don't get a paycheck like you do then the meantime we're going to get to earn poorly done you guys can explain to us how do we educate the state senate and leading the nation other states senate and you being here today thank you very much aaron thanks for having me and again my name is aaron polly i'm a criminal defense attorney most of my practice revolves around medical marijuana you know representing patients but also representing growers as well as  some of the access points throughout washington state in particular on the western side of washington state and so with regards to educating our legislature i think we have a a long road ahead of us and  instead of going into it right away i think it might be a good opportunity for me to introduce everybody else here and then maybe i can circle back around and give you a little bit more about my opinion what where we need to go what we need to do so that we start by talking to some of the other people there on our panel actually formed as a pack at this point just because you haven't talked to the legislators yet if it's  organization to help medical marijuana patients and advocates comply with washington state laws you know make sure everyone knows what the laws are and how to interpret them and how to keep them safe and how to keep them out of trouble so you are you drafting documents there for patients as well as access point something for them to be able to see and go through and say this is maybe the right way or the wrong way for me to do it right now on the political committee as working towards writing a bill for a legislator legislator so right now we're going back to that fifty three seventy but we're going to go back to people that we get and our crew the better you know the more knowledge and collective knowledge that we can to bring to the legislative one of the things i think that happened this is that we have this expectation that all of our senators and state representatives are experts in everything you want in here really area and of course nobody can be expert in everything we are the experts we have the people working in the fields and so it's our job to educate everybody actually and educate our senators and our group has spent we were down there the ash legislative session we're in contact now with a number of state senators and representatives we want to work with them to provide a structure we want regulation we want to structure but we wanted to be patient friendly we wanted to make sense we wanted to be operational for everybody's will be so that's what we're really working on understand how we can make this should be taking a look at that to make it better for the industry and put some sort of a bite into it at the same time uniformity so round the company does not go to advantage over another this year i guess our first concern is going to be who will replace her and what are their thoughts on medical marijuana because obviously greg wired took the position that this is all illegal federally i can't put my employees at state at stake i should say at the state level and such i'm just going to butcher this bill and that's exactly what she did she just what you're that bill and the problem with anything that we do every time we bring something legislature in my opinion is there will always be the carrot that's going to come with that stick and in my opinion every single time that we've presented anything the legislature their first response is always going to be well we'll consider it but we want to registering now intelligently the last time they tied the registry very careful through a lot of other things in order to move it forward so importantly i don't want this registry we don't registries that in my opinion i think that we're very lucky to be one of the only states that doesn't have a registry and i know a lot of people are clamoring for well we can get this we can get that in my opinion we registered guns we register ok we have a legitimate reason to have a paper trail on the person's real estate as an example but yeah you're right so what are some of the to have a uniform uniformity if it does pass or when the legislature does take a look at it let's make that us assumption of course it's going to be it's not going to be great where we know that right so it's in the political climate every single time changes i mean it could be the next legislative session or it could be a dozen years or we might have to have  get some uniformity in an industry that's brand new you might say as far as any legislative permission or legal profession although it's been around for what millennium so what's what type of regulation would you like to see you're going to get nowhere so we're trying to figure out what's the most effective thing to do that is simple make sense and is practical and the biggest problem is just that the public is way ahead of the politicians on this issue people understand that there is a legitimate need it's not just a ruse to try to get around people getting high there's actual medical proof that it works so the politicians need to get comfortable that the public is aware of this now but the thing i think we need to focus on truly is medication not intoxication right and that's where a lot of people have had difficulty in separating those issues but we i think we're pretty there's a number of us that are pretty well focused and organized about this actually as a medical issue and that's the kind of regulation i would like to see is more in protecting that i personally believe that all cannabis that is being dispersed as medicine needs to be organic it needs to not have system in this decides and i mean i have some some ideas about things those are things that i would like to see and regulation i would like to see you know some of the safety issues addressed for patients and for those who provide for patients and the rest protection for those who provide because even though we have not seen so much direct focus on patients from the federal government when the federal government attacks the providers of the patients they are hurting the patients now it adds really quickly to say that it's groups like this that they put together but i'm seeing him i've seen two or three pop up over the last year when we were left with this bill and we were left with a safe access point procedure where they have gone and started to police themselves because we lost the department of health wasn't going to police us we lost that the department of agriculture wasn't going to police and the community stepped forward and said they're not going to do it but we should and it's been an amazing response and by these people who are not only they've come up with these guidelines that there's they're communicating amongst each other they're coming up with these procedures and processes to make sure that safe access at that word really means something that it's not just a storefront with a place where people are getting marijuana but in fact it's a safe place where people are getting cannabis that they know is organic that it say what the t h c content is whether there's mold whether there's pesticides and kind of having that huge overarching thing you know i rarely see any safe access point where i walk in anymore and it looks like you know there are edibles are just like these it looks like a bake sale from a church instead it's actually professionally packaged it says exactly how much medicine it in there says exactly what the contents are people are really taking they're really stepping up to the plate i think in order to to prove that they can do this the right way and that they can even do better than what legislature might ask of them overwhelming and nobody's really taking a look at it but the other question is the real estate tax real estate that hasn't been looked at yet but the community had made previous rulings are thinking was that really the state made it so you had to not produce not manufacture but grow cannabis inside of the building  you see that change is more of an outdoors type action or is the federal government going to have to relax some standards without arena and actually on the federal standpoint do any of you see any relaxation or is are obviously i think that's probably was purely a political as well but what about the real estate real estate it's become a very interesting issue with landlords and property owners trying to get their arms around what liabilities they have in becoming landlords do they have a chance of losing their property which is the common thought in eastern washington not so i think landlords now are taking a look at how they would profit clearly they're getting more rep for this sort of make some money but not too much the rule of thumb now is a landlord will typically get about twice the amount of red where he would in another you said it's a rip in seattle and king county it's driving the market it's not untypical for a landlord to say he's been contacted thirty forty fifty sixty times million square feet per year so nine million and one thousand we're looking at a nine year period of time to get there are that property at least up so it sounds like if you you're actually having in an additional industry coming onto the market at double the rents is the faster it is yeah the faster comes in from a legal standpoint the faster that's going to be leased out at least in king county but i think the other counties are probably to come on board but come on board stronger as well if they see that the rent is or the permissible rent is double yeah so i don't know whether it's been mentioned on other broadcast but there was about thirty five access points two years ago in the city and then that jumped to sixty five plus or minus last year now there's one hundred thirty and it's projected they'll be three hundred within a year so you can look at seattle and see there's a great model for how it could be done correctly by having the kind of rules and restrictions that we're talking about as a self regulatory organization and the economic impact of course is substantial this is what we're talking about right now but there's also as don says there is the humane aspect of the access by people who really need this medicine and that's the part that's troubling i mean there's thirty states right now that have proposed legalized cannabis and there's eighteen that actually passed legalization for medical uses so you can see that it's spreading very rapidly are there any complications that the current time in the states that mixed bag you've got colorado which seems to be doing very well because it's highly regulated and then you have other states like montana which we talked about that it just blew up and there was what seventy two dispensary is in the town in missoula and there's about seventy two people in the zoo and suddenly as we have we have a wall group you know the feds the state essentially they're behaving like bad parents they're like with little children getting them all hyped up on sugar slaps us upside the head when when it's actually the parents who did not put the structure in to prevent that behavior in the first place and that's that's the issue that's why we want regeneration we want some structure we want to know the b job is to keep you out of jail and so please do everything right listen to the right things to do in the right way to do it i'm doing tear into the choice wellness center it's two zero six six eight two three zero one five and we welcome your five harry code two zero six and all you landlords are very happy sounds like the ninth and tenth amendment were the last topics the da was talking about but i guess we have to leave it there unfortunately is that correct well yes thank you for everyone for being here and then hearing one last know what's coming up coming up i guess we're going to keep an eye on i five o two and what happens there and how it affects patients and we'll keep looking at legislature and hopes are that they'll get it right this time they thank you very much everyone thank you and it's from we'll see you next week hope you're doing a good job get back to all of us and we needed financial donations to keep these projects going to educate the senate it's not easy going up for free for long we got to do it and we got to keep going thank you thank you everyone th i'll be live this is the other segment from the other segment but this is a segment we need to get to the segment of what this means and cannabis law cannabis legislation what is cannabis legislation well when you start something it's an idea have something to do with surviving as a as an economy as a people we have to have a means of saying well how do we do it right now how do we do it wrong or do it wrong and do it right but it matters is it we do it somehow it was with peers or people convene as a congress or as a senate state senate u s senate now as a bunch of law enforcement people because your jobs are on the line here guys we've got a colony of the world collapsing so how you going to pay for your your bills when you you don't have an income source in your state all states this is washington state in this is all they live and i will be wilson but it is certainly we need to think about the people two hundred years ago they didn't occupy they they had standing they had record there if they went around the world to the different courts and got recognition and all you people to do the occupying why aren't you doing that running through the streets entertaining everybody is wonderful that's what having hoffman said theater in the streets but you don't get any you have accomplished anything since i remember vietnam and it's time we convene or if we have a state senate let's get them to convene and let's set them come up with the ideas that we have to provide to them because they don't know what's going on we do or trying or we're trying to in the meantime i think it's best as we educate ourselves each other and our fellow states states catching on colonies trying to survive that we understand that is or should i say not understand have knowledge there of that we learn and as we learn we experience what is needed to keep this thing in the means of direction that helps us survive as a people as an economy and i think that's really important and my right and we're honored to have aaron pelley here today eric thank you for being here it's an honor and i appreciate it i'm looking forward to learning a lot so don don johnson and we have a host of other people here but don can you help on this with eric i know that it's not used to running a city here we got keith here as well but if we could help out on the fact that we've got to get an idea a plan put together keith what do we start with this what do we do you know we've got to get something going well actually from what i've been hearing from most of them it sounds like the industry sounds like it's taking normal a normal cycle it's expanding expanding rapidly the regulations or the conditions of business accu men are being put in place but there is one little problem out there and it seems to be the ninth and tenth amendments are not being enforced or looked at by the federal and i'm not i'm not seeing where the federal would have what have the jurisdiction because especially if they're talking about promoting the sciences i'm not seeing where the government federal government has the right to step in because they're only supposed to promote not police and then if you go back to the ninth and tenth amendments it's up to the states they're supposed to regulate in arizona not specifically in the constitution and i'm not seeing this particular area in the constitution but i'm seeing the industry growing normally i'm glad to hear the regulations are being looked at so you have uniformity and then the consumer knows what is going on it's actually the end is the consumer so they know what's going on and that they can see some sort of uniformity and they don't have to look at probably price only and and actually with price action maybe in this industry the higher the price might be the better or what the c p u or whatever it's called t h so what are your other feelings on the business cycle of one area i'd like to address that is following up on your point is that the plant has several elements molecules t h c is one of them but the other element c b and c b d are in fact more medically effective and are in the we looking for so i mean i always i finally oh i just you know in one sense or another the ninth and tenth argument is always a concern for me because of the fact that that's where we ended up getting the civil rights i mean it's where this states were essentially arguing that you can't come in and separate and essentially the whole civil rights movement going forward because the feds stepped in and said this is the right thing to do so any time of the ninth and tenth amendment arguments it gives me pause what i would say is that i want the feds to wake up the same way but i want our state legislature to wake up and that is that this is an effective medicine for patients for sick patients and we should always be able to move forward on that agenda without ever falling on the state should be able to do what they want i will say that i think that the colorado method of integrating their their laws into the constitution certainly gave them a lot more legs and i think it's the reason that they've been able to avoid some of  the blowback that other areas haven't had in terms of federal intervention oh well course i would like to see as i'm sure we all would this substance being removed from schedule one where it never should have been in the first place there is absolutely no way chanelle at all for it being on schedule one we know that it is and is medically very efficient has been for thousands and thousands of years i don't have any problem about people being comey you for it but my my my focus is on the medicine medical aspect of it and medicine for sick people raising the price see i'm already i already see on a daily basis people who desperately need this medicine who cannot afford it who you know insurance course won't care coverage we all should be able to grow not front yards if it was off the schedule i don't want to see it on schedule t either because it's i don't think it's appropriate this is a this is a miracle plant that we all could be to utilize it in so many ways as samantha mentioned at an earlier program you know we can with this is this this species this plant can be used for fabric for shelter for food for medicine for so many things so i don't want to see that being locked up by laws and it has to change federally if i go across the border into another state i still need the same medicine that i need in seattle it that's not going to change and i've been very thrilled to see actually hear stories recently of three states in particular california oregon and arizona that have been actually recognizing our recommendations and i think it's just horrible that we do not reciprocate you know when they have a little bit rigs the out of state permitted smoking never had marijuana they don't know anybody that use marijuana and they don't they can't distinguish marijuana if they saw it and they don't think it's any better than heroin or cocaine so i think you know it's all about education we need to educate the people i believe a study i've just seen eighty percent of americans agree with medical cannabis so it's a lack of education as we've been talking about and that's a big part of our push as a organisation is to provide very effective test and accurate information about the medicinal uses because they date back five thousand years to when chinese doctors were actually documenting the testing experiment with the medical bill the feds of canada so it's been around for a long long time and we know that we know recent research to this taken place in europe then we know this this amazing plant curious and treats and helps sell hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of conditions physical conditions psychological conditions and in the state of washington we do not acknowledge that part at all one of the things that we're seeing a lot with with our returning veterans is  and we know they can't of us especially the city of this can be so incredibly helpful for these young people and yet they're being blocked out in so many places and so that's we want to we want to look at that will get it off a schedule when we need to work federally very very seriously but in the meantime we need to work so that somebody who lives a patient who lives in walla walla does not have to drive for hours to seattle to get medication get libby to go real estate spin  i see the education process is big market driven of much like a liquor store or going to small under served beauty refuelling station a seven eleven or the fast food restaurant what's happening is towns like the is was a shorelines what they're doing is they're educating as city council people on the aspects and we're getting rules and regulations on how this thing is going to  happen we're going through schedules where there's an approval process and there's a legitimacy there getting it it's one more layer of protection for all of us in the education of those people that wouldn't otherwise be set cannabis arrest as the lowest priorities as we have here in seattle so i know that spokane is one of the cities bellingham is one of the cities kent is one of the cities i don't remember the other four you might remember but if you would call me a choice wellness i will be happy to give you the information and i can send you even the petitions so you can get get them signed in your community if we can sort of win this battle one town at a time will have the state ed as each does the tailings go and say you know what in our community this is not a priority this is not what we want our police department doing we want them you know taking care of more important things and leave patients alone to the initiative process or continue to the initiative process i was going to ask a realistic question i'm only because it's recently come up more than once for me and we're talking about it with other groups but what we're seeing you know a lot of i medical patients being afflicted by their landlord without any other standing than the fact that they found out that they're a medical marijuana patient and so in seattle i it's my understanding that we have a good cause but in other parts of the state that i mean they can just pick your because they started the process and i ron there one more reason for no registry right a friend who just on her lease for a new apartment had a sign that she's not a medical marijuana patient had it been a commercial apartment building i probably would have got in there in my room and explained it to him but it was the stay couple of portman's behind an individual house but i think that's a horrendous precedent how dare they bring how dare they whose business is it in the first place and you know they're not asking anybody that they're an oxy cotton right patient well there's a huge difference between opiate based prescription drugs and natural cannabis i mean that's right prescription opiate based drugs are dangerous yeah they kill you and they kill people it says to me about twenty tenet otherwise there are certain code tenets that simply won't allow and that's why you're seeing the clinics and the dispatcher e same class b locations you don't see him on the corners  don't see him in mcdonald's style properties cannabis you don't have to you know throw in a pipe and light it up and torch it you there are so many other options that for someone to say oh you can't live in my apartments or live in my house because you have to smoke marijuana in a private well i can eat a cookie i kid and use a paper riser to ensure there are so many other ways that for someone to say you cannot smoke in my building that's fine i don't need to smoke cannabis i can ingest it in other ways and it still has the same the same uses as just as smoking its preference and you have this issue with landlords and tenants where they take this position landlords like well i just don't want you here and so they've got this person who now they're not living in a house anymore now they're living in an apartment and again it all falls back into that that's a of access issue where it's like i can't grow in my apartment it's a one bedroom apartment and so i have no other choice but to go to a place where they're going to provide me medicine shut down and i have to go to joe the drug dealer and he's also got coke and matt and guns and it's a dangerous place and so you know that the term safe access comes from a place that means something and so there's a reason why we're trying to provide  service for the patients in washington today not only not only that in terms of the safety access the other component of the as we push this back into the alley ways it's you got any anyway there's ten thousand strains that we are beginning to learn more and more those of us working in the in the industry we're learning what strains are beneficial for people with certain conditions and help people we everybody's got their own personal biology so sometimes there's a little more tweaking there that is something you don't get from your drug dealer in the alley well and that's why the whole gateway drug is b s too because there's no there is no scientific evidence behind it the gateway drug theory but there's pretty good evidence that your drug dealer who is working in the black market actually has something besides pot and if you ran out you might be able to get something else and so though again there are huge issues let me get back to the real estate angle and i'm aware of a situation in colorado where a tenant to bake a did a house and the landlord comes back and said this smell is horrible sixty five hundred dollars later he replaced all the carpet repainted the house and did other things too to bring it back up to the standard where it was commercially landlords across the board will say that  very small traffic if you're talking about forty fifty sixty dollars us per sale you'll have a limited number of clients coming through your store and anybody that comes there has a license they have a recommendation you're not getting people hanging around that's the last thing you'll do colonial days the fight between england and france was really over because the colonies were going to be providing growing have been providing it for the british navy and all of england because they were running out basically so if you look back at the history and see how significant him and this is not even talking about marijuana because hemp is made from the male plant there's no t h c to speak of in it so it's how  that change our existing industry in the united states not to met well published start with russian state and then continue from there how would that change the economics because we've got what of which we don't sai are from boats we don't have that many of them but compared to them but we've got rope and we've got cotton and other petroleum based products that competitors are already market will tell i mean that's nothing stays the same right otherwise we'd still be given one of the very large reasons that cannabis is illegal is because of petroleum based products they unfair advantage and they have enjoyed that unfair advantage for one hundred and two years now because of the because of the legal structure around the cannabis it really absolutely diabolically was just about having an unfair advantage in the market hardly anybody on this planet would buy a plastic rope when you could buy him for oh yeah and that's why because so many want to correct me if any is there any other industrialized nation that doesn't grow besides america if there was my pet peeve arguments for him is that it's against constitution in the fashion that it's created a copyright patent extended and is supposed to be for a limited time based upon the constitution and a bribe during that also creates a round he class and congress is supposed to regulate commerce not eliminate commerce so there's three