out what's the meaning of organics so listen to what she says wish we had rest of the state liquor board for the second half of this show on july sixth at the hearings in everett and here in seattle and then we'll also have a first part of a program with dave belzer who's playing hearing in let's say cannabis industry accounting it's a whole different realm i hope you join this program in contribute if you can could take donations of someone else to send donations by all the live on pa you look at it like that i don't know if you if you think that if we look at it from the perspective we can actually listen to right now so why don't we go ahead david don it's really good to see both of you and what is it about advisory especially dawn advisory organic cannabis are we going to have people wanting to start medical cannabis ways to advise themselves and other people in a work thing that's about to happen could be better we realize i  guess you think well there's so little that we know right now about cannabis we really only know the tip of the iceberg so all of us have to become much more educated this is a plan a miracle plan as far as i'm concerned it never should have been politicized but unfortunately we have the real reality that it has been politicized across the country i was very very happy being egged yesterday to learned that your way would very likely will be the first country to totally legalize cannabis it's past their lower house and the upper house is already evidently they have enough votes and the president has said he will sign it so this is very encouraging i think this house of cards is finally crumbling it's taken almost a hundred years to finally get this started but it is crumbling we have i believe twenty one states now they have some version of allowing for medical marijuana we need twenty seven and it will be totally tipped over the edge in terms of majority americans one thess miracle plan they wanted for idea of reasons they wanted all the way from it helps take the chill out or kind of into bad week to curing cancer and saving our lives and we are all on the same continuum it is all medical this is amazing miracle plan that we barely have scratched the potential of the miracles th david what your thoughts on where the medical cannabis industries are going to be going as far as advisory tax advisor and what not to say people try to keep up with taxation and budgets and costs and everything's a balance right might just ability to move well yeah there's there's certainly well the marijuana business is certainly a business and requires business knowledge and that is quite the opposite of the horticultural knowledge that you the mastery over but you need to both otherwise you won't get very far interesting don you've mentioned in the past that what's the way that we incredible amount of diligence at least as far as i'm concerned on one hand i would love to be devoting all of my time to learning more about this plant learning more about what different strains and and different ways we can utilize it to help people but a great deal of my time is is taken up with dealing with the political ramifications is just a constant kind of craziness where are the rules going to go this way or that way how is this going to work what city's going to allow  things i have been trying to be a model in the industry in terms of testing labeling identifying what things actually are i think i think that the industry has moved a little bit in that direction but in terms of patient care and most of the folks that are that are and have access points in this state i'm not sure they're even familiar with what that means or how to pronounce it or spell it because these are patients and most of the people are looking at it as a drug business and and that's the way they operate and you're absolutely right david they they do need to know how to run a business i just wish they knew a little bit more about medicine and medical delivery and ohip it would be good not just a lot of things like that and and what the real value of organic is and why it's not ok to be put in system expense decides and in what we're calling medicine so we've got a long ways to go with this yes interesting as far as if we get there on my face i was going to ask you if i'm going to try to start a business and i'm going to go talk who would go talk to somebody with experience i would talk to somebody that could but all i really did was today still what i perceived as a void in patient care four years ago you could not get a recommendation to use can a business stay for less than two hundred fifty dollars and it didn't matter if you are i and these so called non profits would just may have milken in the money that really bothered me so i hired three doctors and ran it and little nickel ninety nine dollars special last year and you know fist i brought it down to seventy five because the profiteers were jack a backup and they were continuing to call on patients into buying these phony worthless pieces of plastic that they claim are r c w compliant but i don't know compliant with what because they have no value but they charge twenty five dollars for me so this year i'm probably going to pull some other little low fancy think i'm him for this because i really don't like the profiteers i don't i don't think there's anything wrong with anybody making a decent living off of any industry that helps people i think it's obscene for people to become rapidly incredibly wealthy while they're doing bad bad service to patients and that's a lot of what's going on right now so i just try to kind of be a model there are a few other people in the industry up and down the state that that where we're kindred spirits we're finding each other that really are here to provide for the patients and that requires doing a lot of political work as well as as just running our businesses and trying to learn more because there's so much to learn but we have to deal with that patients don't get thrown under the bus and that's been the big fear that i've had every since fi go to came on that on the radar  there is a new bill that is their new petition that is going to be out and we certainly will have them a choice wellness center that will provide for us in a much more concrete and legal way to be separated from the recreational in terms of what we can do so we can maintain growing our own hugely important there's a lot of for a lot of reasons for a shroud juicing which is not intoxicating and very healthy you have to have a plant or one or two or more there's just a lot of things on that that were you know on so it's a very interesting kind of business i know there's a lot of people from out of state that are looking at worse than there's a lot of people from out of state or here there's a lot of people from out of state who have been here for two or three years even and this is the gold rush we've got the boys from florida we got the boys from idaho we got the boys of colorado people are coming in droves from colorado because you have to there's a two year residency required here is three months they've already got it established before even before they even fly for a license so it's just kind of a big joke actually it's here it's going to be what it is it's going to shake out i just hope that the federal government would get the message that the war is over they do not need to destroy the lives of another ten thousand or twenty thousand american citizens give it up david real quick how many times have you had to figure out where to start with clients i mean it's something you're having to learn to write it's it's a learning thing right you mean in the marijuana business yeah well keep medical camps organic ham whole thing o lighting area i mean you must have had to figure out where to start with this because it's a whole new thing i mean there were a lot of there's like you were the first advisors in the business right now right well around here that i know of but i mean there's you know other states have some experience with the business issues of of of the medical cannabis business right right and and so we have some something to look at you know there's been some eccentric right well as far  you're a person that can work together with cannabis advisory and financial advisory right you could work with them i mean it's a real possibility that i mean it would take professionals working with the financial advisory people right i mean you've got a termite and we're i i am kind of in a new unique position because of my background with mental health for many years because of teaching in a nursing program so my you know working in hospitals i have a background  there which gives me kind of advantage of us or used to have us series seven in the series thirteen so i know a little bit of finance not that i make any money because i don't think anybody knows as much as i should make some money but i give it all away so that's the problem i find we just need me more resources for patients but but yes somebody if you're going to go into business don't think you can just set up a limb an aid stand i would highly recommend that you get a good attorney in this in this state i know in seattle we have a number are eight attorneys whose cards i pass out on a regular basis because they know about they're experts in marijuana law criminal defense and good generalist but there are several that that is pretty much their exclusive law practice is is working with the medical marijuana providers and you know there's certainly call me and all and all give a bunch of cards a bunch of names i don't want to name anybody on t v because i don't want to offend anybody if i don't mention everybody because they're all really great and they know who they are they who they are find to fasten out their cards so that's the first step i would say if somebody in the business is talk to an attorney the next step is to get a get a good accountant and the next step is to find somebody who knows what they're doing because a lot of everybody who thinks they know how to grow marijuana thinks they know how to run a business very first of all half the people who think they know how to grow marijuana or well and they certainly don't know how to run a business so they've got a big learning curve so get the experts that can assist you in this for any business actually you should see first see an attorney second see an accountant and i think one thing i think that's very interesting they can they can get referrals as to talk to david about where to start right oh absolutely absolutely because one of the one of the big things that we are is an educational center we don't get any money for it but it's just part of the service we give to the community and that is connecting patients with the services they need the people that they need to do to help them you know live a better life and be more successful and have better care david the clients and patients are going to have to learn how to budget themselves and this is a whole new frontier and then there's this big debate whether they're going to be able to even growing their own homes let's say indoors whatever in the same sense you're going to have cooperatives these are cooperative we're going to be sprouting up in a way they're like fine foundations or some of them probably will be what is that let's say this isn't just a business this way i mean people realize the co ops the cooperative that you might be in your community and you might be with five six somewhere how many other patients combining your growing because the average person but what's involved with that is for the medical care was patient care so self care now i want to add if i may interject here that i highly recommend that people not be involved with five or six or seven people and growing cannabis  the state law says that a collective can be from three to ten people but it has a maximum of forty five plants i'm always with math in spite of all the cannabis i consume and when i divide forty five by ten i only get four and a half that's not enough plants to me most patients needs the more people you have involved the more opportunity there is for disagreement and it can become ugly in this in this field so we recommend that you keep it to two other people place yourself that way you have your  of fifteen plants and have make sure that there are people you already have a good working relationship with and conflict resolution skills are already in place yeah and it can be wonderful because you do it's very very helpful to have share the responsibility of transplanting tremaine you know why is that yellow there you've got you've got people i am going to leave down for three days can you water the plants it can be wonderful but keep it tight is our recommendation but that was good advice to i really appreciated  david as far as that type of advice still be three people with a foundation right i mean so i mean it's still has to be managed right yes it's getting bigger and bigger people realize it's just like we think a business is a business is business is on the street that's what they think we all think that we'll realize it might be two people but they could still have their old patient found it cannot be a cut no two people cannot be a collective the state law defines a collective as three to ten people read what two people can do though and what we do is have them become each other's caretakers and if they are in each other's caretakers than either of them can transplant water feed the heart of this smoke whatever they're both in title and that way or if you've got one person who's not a patient and perhaps there are a significant other or a relative of somebody who is a patient and they become their caretaker they can do everything with the plans except utilize them they are not allowed to use them at all but they can help the patient with all those things and some patients need help believe it or not there are many patients who are ill they are sick they are physically challenged and they very often need assistance with this sort of thing  david i think this may sound crazy but what we're trying to do is figure this thing out very few people really realize and as we are pioneering on this and you're one of the pioneers i think it's important that we begin to think this is what dawn you're mentioning this about how many people i didn't know any of this i mean i have no idea i had no idea that let's say two or three people maybe ten people might want to say well if we want to create a medical foundation for themselves or something cannabis related so they could think about this i'm sure it's going to be so we get bigger and bigger and bigger they want to be licensed properly right right right i mean  david i mean if let's say ten people come to you and they were to get a license to create a medical grow i mean they want to get licensed and they want to be a business maybe i mean a nonprofit foundation a medical foundation i mean what what would they google how would they start they want to be they want to be safe you know they're trying to create a way that they don't get people think of law you know legal you know as criminal and they don't want to be criminally want to protect them where do they start well we're going to be clear about that we're talking about medical cannabis here not this not the i five o two recreational use licensing because they're totally unrelated and they have nothing to do with each other right now and the there's really no points which are also called dispensaries right or they're going with a loose term dispensary but there's theoretically their access points to reflective gardens right where other patients can obtain cannabis medical cannabis right authorized patients can obtain medical cannabis from that garden right and as i understand it what they're doing is they're signing him up as members and then they're resigning immediately after when a patient comes into an access point that's exactly what they do they sign into a garden in and they sign out of the garden and then they can go right up the street sign into another garden and then they go up the street sign into another go and there's no limit to the number of guns they go to and it is a fifteen day rule i believe that came about as but nobody seems to be paid any attention to that well i don't know what happened to that will convoluted and so insane that there was no practical way for anybody to do anything but yeah i just kind of to ignore it as swept out of the kirby much because what kind of business model is that that only one person every fifty a person can come in and buy the stranger but they can't buy another one for fifteen days i mean here you can't sell another one for fifty and somebody came and got one today so there's no more for two weeks you  something they might not need as much but they might need it in a very different way than i do david so basically people are you're thinking along the lines of commercial right well we're talking about medical cannabis here and operating a collective garden and and that's that's quite a bit different than the recreational law that was just passed they don't have anything to do the whole organization the whole framework is it depends on your attorney and well i dare to say that most attorneys in this town are recommending that if you're going to start a an organization for medical cannabis that it be a nonprofit organization that's what i mean it's fifty fifty ok i think it's fifty fifty but my that that medical could not be for profit i'm not saying that i think that's ok you know and i think that's fine i don't see any reason why someone in the medical cannabis business shouldn't make a profit other than the federal aspects and that seems to be the big  stumbling block is the federal illegality of it and yet nobody would mind making a profit but again you can operate an enterprise or an activity as a nonprofit or as a for profit it can be the same doing the same thing but it can have a different mission or a different business purpose and so how it operates then is determined by its articles of formation or can corporation and its mission statement so you know i see it going both ways but let's be real i mean i think a lot of these what they're called dispensers are making some money and mass transit matter trying to erode trying to rein it in you know so that's that's where i see it but well you know i was going to mention that if we can put up the educational system because i don't even know i have a clue myself how to even ask questions about this and yet it's so complex where we're headed with this is  my feeling is the way patients in the state want to be able to know the wall but they don't know the law they don't know nobody even knows what a cooperative is if it's even legal i mean i mean what is the legality of it most people really don't have any legal way i mean by federal law and so you know you get this whole thing happening going to have a commercial market you're going to have a medical market there's a define it between people doing it i mean if they're if they're in it for the money then it's a for profit enterprise and if they're in it you know to give social benefit to people or educational or charitable you know the benefits to people then that's not for profit  honor stand where you're saying that because why can't i can i be for profit i probably am more away than anybody else but there's an access point the state i do more educational than anybody else and as an access point but by golly i think it might be ok if i actually made two or three dollars down the road having yet no i don't know and i'm not going to check into that and then the so called nonprofits that they're now going in and buying brand new mercedes with cash you know and so yeah so i mean that's but you know you know what i mean you know what i'm saying is that theft certainly is a problem so it's yeah in those respects it's like a business you know you get you you risk the hazards of entrepreneurship no matter what so you know and you know everybody think of money in it but i've not seen a lot of money and i mean i'm seeing some people make some money at it and i'm seeing a lot of people run in place not make any money at it and i see a lot of people who spend a lot of money at it so don't make any year to be more accountability and more tracking of things and more say measuring of the aspects of the business so they can see what's payoff and what isn't in terms of money and then it will be a business i think you know and then you're talking about a real business where because you have to measure all the aspects of business before and improve those and before you make any money otherwise you have as you just plan by the way we've got about three minutes left before the last statement you guys just just because david greatly honored to have here today we really one of the real she had the second dispensary and why in seattle did you know that i did not know when the second was the second i thought it was third first first one hundred percent organic and perhaps still is the only that's that's my concern is that let's clean it up let's let's make it real medicine let's make it you know let's work with people so we can make their lives yeah much much better i ruthie on that one david i want to ask you one last question  commercial still going to go organic standards and you're going to have to go talk to the right people that have been doing this already like people like don you know yeah no doubt about that i mean i mean who else do they go to talk to about that movie of the lady for that i mean honest no yeah and that's times website  the background on in there your contact information is right here and i'd like to add to that if anybody would like a copy of the law drop by choice wellness at eighty six hundred a row i would be more than happy to give you a copy we have them you know we print them every week we just crank amount an amount right away we really believe in people being educated and any new patient that comes in the door we give a full orientation packet to two so they know about why i'm different ways of utilization and just all kinds of  be commercial we don't know nobody really knows yet so as i try to help out with the community to try to figure this out and you too is that if you are as you can contribute send me a formation if you've got anything you want to be on the show will be will snitch e mail dot com and if you the task force to enforce the federal highways and that's how it works and i didn't get a chance to told him about the high grass because i had so much on my plate to deal with all of it but i think it's just the most important issue that we have down a little bit it's not in my creed that all the states have to meet me so fast i look at the safety and health issues please not just jump in with matching dates and this is why we jumped ahead with the numbers of people who know oh so little about  to get rid of the medical marijuana community those are the two first schools that he really stayed ok so the second thing i said after i got my degree was that i was the largest importer of hashish in this nation and i have to that letter and consider our input our local jurisdictions continue to be concerned about the conflict between the new marijuana rules in federal law does the liquor control board give local jurisdictions control because a number of us receive federal funds for a lot of our transportation needs in the seat of those funds we have to sign statements that say we are in full compliance with that local land use controls will only regulate locations for marijuana businesses the rules do not make this explicit we strongly favor local control of locations for marijuana businesses  clarified is the enforcement officer in a soon to be liquor control board staff or is local law enforcement to be involved if any in force or other we will not respond to anything he says thank you three three legislation this was in time on february twentieth two thousand and thirteen before there was ever a bill bruce so let me show you they were looking at getting rid of medical marijuana the to make some recommendations to the legislature around medical marijuana which is an untapped regulated in unlicensed i don't know not a skill that those things less those  recommendations are going to look at but surely folks we do not have a role in medical marijuana at this time and we don't know if we ever thank you