was like i said the time when i was go in to an area by the beach by the mediterranean and i was about four or ten for fifteen in the afternoon and like i said that was the end of the summer and september and it would be just perfect place perfect time to go and enjoy the end of the day after the warm sun and before i got to bombs in the area that i was going to be there within this like i said minutes then my back and i was on a bike and i was unable even to ride the bike i basically pushed the bike throu against some military positions you know if you listen in to the new as i would have to say it's frustrating because you can't correct it you know i was at that end of it i was at the receiving end of that air raid when when when you are denied your existence and when you are also denied your story to what is happening and palestine and this is part of the struggle that we continue to go country but you could never take the country out of the  as one as they look for it there is no a nationalized nation really for the politics of the state of israel as we may want to understand it in the west but of course there is a lot  is to drive the palestinians out the presence of the palestinians they exist and some of the palestinians that a president that to to the idea of and self and his and his group so if it create in the condition so hard where it is basically no one would be able to take it and there would be they would leave that  food and being able the surf i've thinking beyond that is i mean history has proven that of course and there are many examples and the more we could talk about africa we could talk about other nations w is is another completely different aspect why create a prosperous palestinian state why create a prosperous economy next to me next to israel i believe if that tests the differences between the two groups will also start to diminish as the two groups continue to prosperous and as the prosperity of each party would depend on the other exactly like what is happening in europe today with in  state that is based on race or religion in this case it is more important to them to have that that have a human state and i believe creating a prosperous asian will make it more of a human state that would live according to human standards with everybody around them and frankly i think that contradict with that with the idea of zionism  i would have to say you know you have to look back into the most recent palestinian history and i thought you know we're talking about thirty years or so the palestinians palestine liberation organization at the present at the fairest secular political movement within the arab region whereby it has quite wide a presentation of the palestinian national movement and that include the illusions side of things be in the christians and muslims or at the political side be in right wing and left wing basically the palestine liberation organization was an umbrella and the umbrella organization that was able to take all those groups one of the i would have to say the achievements of the basically looked away to intentionally from all of these fundamentalist organizations because and challenge to the secular movement that was there present it by the p the palestinians this would of course give also is that a chance to say oh well you know if they were able to create the alternative to the p l o and in this case a fundamentalist group that would give a chance to israel to tell the ward whom do you want me to talk groups do continue to be there and even attack and i remember incidences when for an example they attacked a professor in one of the universities and pushed them through the window th fundamentalist students and as they're never done anything about that they basically looked completely the other way until the genie get out of the bottle by creating the fundamentalist groups because they could challenge the o we created the fundamentalists in afghanistan so they can challenge the soviet union they get to the point where they become our own enemy the genie gets out of the bottle and we become the enemy for the genie and that's exactly what know by allowing them to flood if they created them politically but by creating them profit state to the palestinians individual really that is what led palestinians to acts where one would kill themselves i mean i don't know what would lead anyone to blow themselves up but i think if you have lived in and praveen state such as the palestinians who have no hope whatsoever they will end up basically killing themselves themselves because there is no value for their life there is no value for others and other fundamental to the mentalist groups would take advantage of those conditions that arctic related in this case by the state of israel and of course with with the recruit i honestly believe the best recruiter for you know for palestinians to fight israel or to blow themselves up is the politics of the state of israel whether it is the konami politics or the military politics and as long as we are to go and to keep the conditions in the same manner i believe the right wing in palestine w continue to present a challenge to the secular movement in palestine their suffering also and who cause that suffering these are really the minimum basics in the long run i wish we really would even go beyond the west bank and gaza as well as such i would would differences of course after the peaceful existence of europe we should be able to create that peaceful island in the middle east where by coexistence between people muslims christians and jews really as people but not as races you could clear that peaceful island by providing the means for that for the two parties to be able to enjoy where i if anybody will see a benefit out of that relationship that exist in this there is no benefit that exists from the palestinian side for that relationship that may exist with the state of israel as long as the palestinians that will be submissive politically and   paycheck i look at it and see taxes being taken out of my paycheck and thinking of the fact that we give israel annually about two point two billion military aid and point eight billion economic aid we give israel over three billion dollars a  year that is set in the budget by the way and this is not all we give as we give a lot more the through the breaks of economic relationship trade relationship where there's a but let me just talk about the the three billion economically nations i'm sure we would be able to identify the many nations that would need that help and the state of israel but that elation ship really the three billion dollars or five billion dollars if you include all the breaks in trade relationships that exist it goes much beyond america wants to help the poor needy  nation as a poor in need a nation but it is part of the overall american politics and the need it is part of this irrational relationship that exists between the right wing in america and lobby are able to control the politics the foreign politics of america and that's really what we need to test and look at is is the power labia has over the american foreign politics where it easily contradict even with the foreign interest of the u s government however there is there are two things there is a foreign interest of the u east the question should not be really why they hit us i think the question should be why do they hate our politics what is it our government that what did we do as a government that would lead lead people to something of that nature and that's the question the government would never want to ask because that would really question our politics in the middle east or in the region gulf states or be in north africa egypt be in the present that they have and today our our new little friend suddenly became somebody you could deal with and you could have a relationship with he has never changed he's still the same person who was lead in libya he's still the same person who was three thousand libyans and in very undemocratic way but now suddenly he's become an hour our friend it is that politics that fundamentalism and all toward an alternative to fundamentalism being able to to help create democratic institutions in the middle east but i tell you what the biggest challenge for us  create democratic institutions in the middle east and all those with with would be thrown out in the face of our administration how could you be talking about democracy how you could you be thought about the human rights within that aboard when you are completely ignored and those to the palestinians the palestinians a big come in basically i would have to say the thaw in the bad the thre palestinians is becoming a thorn in the back of the face or to the throne to the face of anyone who who tries to bring democracy in the middle  then come and talk to me about democracy that is really what is a create and room for the fundamentalists to continue to go in the middle east and i believe there will continue to grow until we reach a solution to the palestinian problem and through that the palestinians become a window to enter a more prosperous democratic middle east