from los angeles california we bring you that which is that which is is presented by john roger the founder and spiritual director of am as i am the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to the awakening of the spiritual heart within each of us this seminars entitled the multi dimensions of maturity right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement once told somebody long time ago if i were trying to build a large organization i would not do a talking about something that couldn't be proven that can't be delivered and you have to go far out of blindness how many of you go into business doing something like that and there i was in business and i wonder how on earth do you tell somebody about that and there's no way but of the neat thing about this people were smart enough which i was glad to find that about to give something a shot to see what would happen and they found out they said it was close to what you said but you were wrong and course i knew immediately they had gotten it because you get it i've got to be wrong because that's not what it is so when you people find that spirit move inside of you and you know that i didn't identify it properly just congratulate yourself that you're in it and that's the focus now that will always be the focus that's always been the focus and it was too bad i'm not the focus because that can be fun too but i'm just somebody who delivers information and then you see how it works this is called show and tell i show then i tell used to teach school and in the summer school i would teach history and geography because i needed the money not not because i like that summer job and the kids all hated geography and history and that's why they had failed during the school year so they would come in and look at me because i was an english teacher teaching geography and history and they would just sit and look like why on earth can you tell us that some other teacher didn't tell us where we can get a passing grade and i just told everybody everybody in here  come to school you pass you will get a d but you will pass it's guaranteed you don't come i will fail you that's guaranteed what you want to do everybody shows up a very simple solution show up you start to learn and that's the real easy premise to live life on just show up and you start to learn you learn what to do you learn what not to do you learn what you like you learn what you don't like this is what we call with touring so this is going to be what spear is giving me at this morning i'm writing it down because you all know how they have played games on me in the past i am i go a little slower alone tell me a lot of things i remember it i rattle on for a few minutes about a lot of things like now while i'm getting it down so that i can go on to couple things with the sense of not having too much personal embarrassment shame so people say what are the ways that we mature so let's just look at them in case you ever forgot one way we mature physically as we just age is that right but if you ever seen somebody who's too old to be young and too young to be old that's me i'm too old to be young and i'm too young to be able to so i'm in this place for i don't know what how many are in that place my god i was one where i was who i was and that's ok i am this group what everything are who's to know that they're not blissed out that's course in the sexual level then how do we mature sexually grow older right there are there are ways to know when you're sexually and these are all physiological things with women they're called what men seize with man is called horny i don't know what of the word it translates to it's the hidden desires that promote everybody running around looking for whatever it is and then turning it down because they think there's something better when you turn it down you're not mature you are in fact stupid and actually the girls prior to turning it down is called high level of selectivity is that right now they have all sorts of transmittable sexual disease listen when i was young they had them there were jokes about it that was  if somebody got syphilis gonorrhea or clap you might as well leave town with the girl that you got it from but then everybody's leaving town as it turns out so there had to be some sort of thing where it was like acceptable wells called penicillin and their body was getting penicillin for infected teeth infected sinuses because they had runny noses and whatever so there was there is a thing called we have to learn by our experiences what's going on with us some of us don't learn and part of that comes under the emotional level how do you mature emotionally i'm going to give it to you just a few words be kind to yourself that's how you with her emotionally when you take anything that i say or do or anybody else says and does including yourself and you go negative with that you are immature emotionally so what does an in was emotional scale look like well let's just say that this would be one of those things where they would draw the scale here's what it looks like so there is a progression of ability and understanding there are times when you just like to just tell somebody where to go and you don't at that moment is them with turning moment in your emotional existence when you don't and you could rightfully righteously purposefully directive lee and you don't you withhold the hit that is a real important moment turning point inside of you but there's something else has to take place along with that and that is to go mentally so there's the mental come in in  the us go mentally to what is the humor of the situation and find joy or a laughter in there when you can do that that does not make a thing out there change but it makes inside of you change now if we're creating our environment by what we do and don't do we're creating that by something we do and that something is coming from inside of us and the more we can get the inside that is really beautiful and sweet and wonderful out here in a nice way the more we're all going to grow and develop on the planet that's just a given everybody knows that it's called the advancement of civilization and of course there's the question the i heard a person asked is that what a civilization and they said that to a person that made a statement like this they said you know i don't know that i have seen one yet i have studied them i have read about them but i don't know we may be in one we may not now we talk about we're civilized maybe we have to look at aspects of what might make up a civilization we all talk about being civil with each other civil looks like just the pomp and circumstance the ceremonial way of doing things hello how are you yes i'm fine thank you good bye and walk away is civil but that's not nice people understand that nice is a form of nurturing acculturating process inside of you where you're starting to feel good and the goodness comes in side of you and out and there's a willingness to share that with other people that willingness to share it is where we start to develop in the mind that mental part of us now i didn't do much on the physical but hang on because they're probably go i'm starting that because why well that physicals what we see on each other and how we get there to start with if that weren't there becomes a hard to do a thing sexually emotionally or mentally we're developing maturing mentally when we can indeed look at the order of the universe now we can put a spiritual term in there say god's creation or we can do  scientifically say the order of the universe and see that is an ordered process with chaos as its fundamental basis now people just minute take a look at everything we do here is chaotic there is some order but it's not ordered chaos it's random but it's designed from a chaotic point of view which means at some point everything settles into its place it's like taking a many things and throw em up in the air and they're up the air and that's chaos and while they're up in the air with academies being something terrible bad awful whatever but it's only momentary until it comes down they start to form their place and then we put them in the place but we can't do that same thing looking at our lives and our civilization because we don't know how far up we're going and if we're still going up or if we're on our way down because this thing is on such a long time continuum not knowing which way it's going up peak or down the best approach to it is neutrality not knowing they've been here know by the way because maybe you should take over at this point you know why i don't know either i know that it looks sort of like this down and up and down and down and up that after something is down and orderly we don't like it that way can it be made an example here into our life without show of hands but just think about it how many of you been married to death don't show hands because it's going  till death do us part and you had what you wanted and you got it you got married then you divorced is because the chaos of the excitement of the chase settle down to an orderly behavioral fashion and you didn't like that way there's something inside of us that goes for chaos and part of chaos is an expansion process chaos is not an implosion because that's an orderly form it's explosion and so we're all seeking towards a greater life form a greater venture greater movement what we do those we know what a person man sees a woman says you are the one i want to be married to because we can do so much together and then you go home have sex and fight and have sex and then next day talk about make up now these are maturing factors as strange as it may sound these are maturing factors to fight to make up and to forgive the action the forgiving of the action is where the spirit comes in when you know that you are maturing spiritually is when you forgive forget and love in spite of not because of but not to love in spite or spitefully but just because you're going to love a statement of your maturing behavior is i love because of who i am and you get challenged every day on the mental and emotional sexual physical levels you will get challenged on this there's another one in here and let's just call it the financial level because it seems to be independent of this ever seen people that are real dirty terrible rotten people who got a lot of money how did they get it they went out and earned how what was it good karma good god don't give me good karma how did they do distracts you from your process what's the process failure see once you get the vision you have to get up and go it's as simple as getting up and going to get that it is not as simple as getting the vision and sitting there and meditating on it meditate on it while you're going towards it because if you open your eyes you might start to see where it is and you want to change a few things to get you there a little sooner a little better this sound anything like new stuff or exist just practical life stuff it has to be reduced to a practical aspect of your life or it's no good theology no good spirituality it's no good psychology it's no good anything around if you can't reduce it down and work it from this level theories really good to distract you from your life world good at that glamour the disease of the world illusions a disease of the mind disillusioned correcting process when people disillusion you they may have done you a great great favor because now you're going to be doing the thing as a practical process of living not as a wishing that it might it has to start manifesting you have to be able to grab a hold of something there has to be something in you that relates to something outside of you that you can grab a hold of when my friend got up and saying here tonight for his first song the first time publicly did you know there was something wonderful took place that was beyond what was shown there what was presented something else that's because we're really mature and we're really civilized when we pull for the other person success his success was our standing ovation towards ourself and everybody else who was involved in it no one gets up in a group like this and sings alone dance alone tells joke alone alone or anything else alone and there's no way i can get up here do anything alone i get everybody up here with me same tell him this tell him this tell him this tell him this and i go shut up sit down as too much to tell let me sort of synthesize that for the greatest average of the group i'm going to miss yours come back next time i might get it if you know what it is tell yourself that real maturing of your consciousness if you know tell yourself so if you don't know don't pretend you know because those who know are going to see the fool that you are and when you're taken in by your own foolishness look in the mirror it's interesting but when we start getting around to talking about ourselves it gets exciting why because we're all going to make it more than ever why yes if it would have only been like what i'm going to say that's a form of maturing in the imagination it is why well it's very simple i had to do is take it and move the word and this call faith and when you it is called fading faith is hoping for something that there's no evidence of evidence of it being present and faith without your working towards it's dead so if i have faith there's a horse over there i'd better get going how does that work out remember the story about the little boy the severing all the horse minority singing they go why do nicely with all this menorah here there's bound to be a pony someplace well pony died two weeks ago with all the manure and then i let you know why because there's a thing inside of us that must go to the end of the vision if somebody brings a vision to an end in front of us we actually hate them somebody and give them something else to replace that make sure what you give them is better than what you take away from them or leave them alone we can't leave people alone we'd like to if we can't markham around physically will come around emotionally or mentally why we're trying to find out the parameters we're trying to find out we're desisting field in all of existence we're chaotic we're expanding were exploding we're going out we are there's not one person this true that is satisfied with your present salary for very long are satisfied with the last meal you ate or the last time you had six or the last time anything because once you fall back into that there's a security sure there's a comfort that's a control that you know how to control everything else also the death and your boredom and so we do a project once it's closed it's gone we go wow it's over i'll never do anything like that again so it can last hey i got this deal for it and you're right back into it we just have a real streak of stupidness that goes to us you know if you can look at your streak of stupidness you can become rather intelligent because you know why that is intelligence is a sign of knowing something is intellect is a sign of repeating what you know and so what do we hear people repeating over and over the same thing over and over we go cause i've heard that story from you so was you come to the end you walk out you feel nurtured see whenever we can convey a real news to somebody or a decision a room i'm going to go and do this and you do that and it's real we have participated in a person's success we're participating in it and we get vicarious fulfillment but we have to watch out that we're not attributing that to us as our own works it is not we have to tribute it to our wisdom to get on something that's good now i was just listening to a guy who does stock market stuff when he was on one of these news network shows and they said when do you think such and such is going to happen he says all the spring bring time was i think the question is when we come out of the recession he said by spring and the person said well you know it's now january like the fifteenth when is spring the guy said  that's what i think he said oh ok then he went on to the next subject he thought the guy was telling him what he knew what we think is not often what we know i can think my car will be out there tonight that's just a thought the car right next to mine got towed as i was coming in there's a reality inside of me this is cars get towed from this parking lot i said is my car ok there and they said yes ok do i believe that i want to do you understand that now that i'm thinking about i'm starting to feel real funny here now they're starting to feel real funny here i started thinking about start to feel real funny here and then i started to see my car gone how do i resolve that well i could have somebody go out and look for me who could i trust people  people don't like oh honest check this is a reality check right how many of you have lied look at your neighbor and see who's lot hold their hand because they're lying right now c'mon david i know you lying ok now now now that with that's like a real generic one right how many have lied today a lie is either omission or commission you should've told you didn't or you told something you shouldn't have or wasn't so what is lie what is not like a lie is truth in fact in fashion in faith that's the truth our truth in this room might not be the truth of the baptists the pentecostals in the mormons but that's ok we're not doing that neither are we stopping them from doing that that starts to become our civilized maturity when we do not stop somebody from doing their selection and i'll tell you why because the law of karma will fulfill itself upon us if it doesn't fulfill itself upon them the so don't load yourself up there's a story told of this man who was going to go back into the place of california the gold rush time and he went down to a little store it can't handle this so immediately start unloading stuff off the donkey uses the donkey started to smile the guy said ok so now the donkey is fine but now he needed another ass to put the stuff on he didn't have  so he put it on himself and started taking off with the don't his load you have to get up close to see the load you carry him and the load you're not to carry a smart person discern  difference well you might say well what's the point of the story he could have gotten the mule over he didn't know that he could have gotten another mule why because he's going to be bringing out tons of gold oh yeah he went after gold was going to get his pocket you have little faith if you don't prepare for something big in your life what is the measure in which you can hold something the measure in which you hold something is the amount of the container that you have not right and we disagree with that can i put more in this container and more in this container stand is the biggest of the containers how much you can hold would you like this much full of gold or this much full of gold and we all want this because we're chaotic i want all of it the gold in there the best the finest refined are you going to get it well how much do you there is nothing wrong with a fantasy that has some steps into it and the ability to involve yourself and be evolved in it there's nothing wrong with that it's out picturing out picturing what you really want people honest to god do not know what they want as a rule out there in the world all they do know is they do not want to have a failure or a las but if you told them this failure and this loss will teach you so much you will never have another failure or lost in your existence they still won't do it because people lie even the teachers like even the gurus like even the angels lie and even the devil lies and even god lies how do we know that we don't have to know it we just say it you know how easy that was to say god lives what's he like but recently i said if i ask for it in his name i'll get it and i've asked for a lot of things his name and i didn't get it or maybe you asked for it in your own name and not his name then then how do you ask for something a god's name well isn't god's name god's name if i call your name john r mick or mary if i would do something in your name don't i have to do it your way in order to have it done in your name so it makes sense to i have to do it the way you want if you won't accept it has to be to your qualifications to your name to your thing we're going to get things from god we've got to do it the way god wants it done you know what the problem is there who knows what that is well read the bible they say he told it all in the bible he never said a word about television sets or walked moves he never said a word about cars and jets an airplane never said a word about hydroponic farming books that were right in the bible the way they wrote them years ago we're now in that and what people did one hundred years ago we're now following on that and things that people did fifty years ago and twenty five years ago and it wasn't too far back to there was a word called plastic there were a lot of words that we use and so we're actually following somebodies bible that they wrote things down and there were an atomic bombs and hydrogen bombs and neutron bombs and who knows what the next thing is and they find something in space they don't know what is and they name it but have they named it what it is or they just name it so they can all agree to it and recognize and study it further the true naming of something gives you the power over it the true naming what is your true name i don't know i wish i knew what it was to have power over me so i could have power over my thinking power over my feelings power over what i do physically i could lose weight and keep it off i could eat what i want not put on any weight i could have sex and walk away feel good have sex and whatever all that is and just be great and i don't get all that and i get it i don't get too much of any of that in fact i don't like that stop doing what you're doing if you want some changes in your life and start putting in your life what you want more often you can't sit home in your house and not call anybody or give out your phone number and expect people to call you or come and visit you you've got to get out there yet in the bar if you will and say had my name is john roger and i live a such a such a here's my phone number and people can call me if they're lonely or if they can call me if they want to call me well we're not so brazen are are calling museums we stand around look then we close museum at two o'clock we try to pick up something to take home with us who doesn't want to go it's waiting for something better and you're the last thing in there so you start wait for something better because you're going to show them we show nobody anything by our arrogance by our stubbornness by our righteousness by our pickiness by our isolation and there's nothing people like better than to come into a group like this and polarize us polarizing is north and south pole and east and west and they'll put one over there and one over there and nobody gets to come in between and meet and have fun enjoy life they polarize you they'll polarize us racially politically religiously sexually you people if you're smart you won't let anybody polarize you if you're going to do it do it to yourself because you know exactly how you want it done people tell me things i said you believe that i go heavens no i don't believe it i just listen to him why i want to hear what they were saying why because i want to know how much i want to participate with them they say anything you like not yet you know participate with them not yet you can be mean to him no best polarising they may come up with the next thing i need to hear and if i polarize they will tell me you know it used to be the individual ness of the age of  just the age we passed through they call it the sort of the me and he used to be and my my brother's keeper has a question then it turned out with jesus i am my brother's keeper and that's been going on for two thousand years because nobody's kept anybody you know the neat thing about christianity is it hasn't been tried and found losing or a loss or a failure it hasn't been tried because it's too difficult know why you're going to have to love your neighbor as yourself and that's the age are moving into now is loving and it isn't me what i get out of it but it's what can we put into this so that everyone gets something out of it that's where we're coming on to on the planet this planet is shifting so fast tomorrow who knows what will be the capital of some country we want to rest for a few years ago and i said a few things and this has been right on target other people sit looked at and they've made their offhanded prediction and it's come true well how come we know these things because once you have gained a balance of the physical and the sexual and emotional and the mental amazing people who have difficulty here and drop into the unconscious go to an animal that dumps off the animal and the animal then tries to process it through and ends up hurting and hating itself in the things that are in horses come right back to humans in the conscious level you know what's so bad about that we're acting like jackasses we don't know which jackass gave it to us we don't know we're running things as though there are own and they're part of a collective unconscious energy field that we're walking to and we're living in and the neat thing about that is as large as that is it's  so somebody is unconsciousness in europe could affect us in this room right now and we may not know who that is an annoying state of the intellect but in the knowing state of the intelligence of our being it knows vibrates how do we know that takes place on any of the level because all you have to do is see a baby die with it's been heard and your heart goes out and you feel something so deep that it reach you you have felt the compassion of life for all life and when you see someone get up and have a success and they thrive on it your empathy goes right out reaches in feels that with them and the success comes back across to you why do we have united nations peacekeeping forces because those people have the compassion of feeling peace and they want to move into these areas to bring about peace why doesn't work because somebody forgot about the karma that has to flow through if they knew it they would line up to say listen this is the karmic flow here you can kill us or we can thrive on it how do we want to do this let's thrive it melt down all the ammunition melt down all the guns turn into power let's pile the fields let's do something together literally literally you mean but john roger there are people out there that are mean terrible people and they'll hurt you you'd better have a gun find have a gun don't load it well what if they come in your and i was very young i used to get in fights and one day i got beat up rather badly in terms of how i felt i mean to me it was a disaster so i went home and i told my folks about and i told my dad going take a baseball bat and i probably used a lot of other words to go along with that he said son never take a bat so big that you want to get hit with the same one of the taken away from  i didn't take the bad because they were big enough to beat up on me they might be big enough to take the bat from me and use that on me that would translate to never get into a fight that's bigger than you just don't get into it because in a fight the way we know it now somebody loses somebody wins if you win fined if you lose not so fine but somebody is going to be not so fine if we decide that we're just going to go up against something to try it out then we should have some ground rules of trying out to a preacher that they say no no no no what they call stand and pull faces of each other and the first one that gives up the other group just to when the guy says how ridiculous how ridiculous you want to have two people pull faces at each other is would you want the champions to get killed and the guys started laughing but nevertheless in that was the guy saying put out to people let them fight it out let them find out where they don't hurt each other and let those who win then support and join to make things work the killing off of people it's got to be one of the most dreaded karmic things to enter into even though it balances an action it may not be yours to balance withhold striking to kill to assassinate to get even to hurt it's very easy to hurt people so easy that we do it without even an effort towards doing it some of us get hurt in such an easy way that we're a victim of our own hurting process we're not maturing emotionally some people feel like they're wounded they say oh you did me i'm a walking wounded person i say i think maybe we should really look at vocabulary terms does one thing we can heal from her to something we must forgive from hurt people we have to say i'm sorry i didn't mean to hurt you we have to say that as not as a mean terrible thing but as part of the process if somebody fell down and cut themself open and we put a bandaid on to stop it that is the same process of saying i'm sorry i didn't mean to hurt you that is a verbal bandaid where we put a physical bandaid we must put a verbal one there we've got to put an emotional one there are we saying i love you i didn't mean to do that these are things that are important for us as humans to put with people and for not doing it we're not taking care of our self and other people just to put a bandaid on somebody and kick them out the doors to be a hospital but to be a nurturing place then you not only see where they're hurt you fix the hurt you wrap the hurt you tell them bring it back to check it you keep checking on how you feeling how's it going it's a caring process how do people know you care because you ask about them you quire about that care that they're taking how's the headache because the headache better has the back is a better i get along better with your spouse how's the job are you getting three or is it working better yeah it's good yeah now we're entering into empathy in the understanding the unconscious stuff starts to surface and clear as a free form of energy and not as that that takes us into deep sleep we start to come awake with a wow i feel awake now a little while ago there i took you into the unconscious has pulled the plug and every star going down to let you know that exists plug it off put the energy and bring it right back up again and you stop daydream and traveling all over place you came started coming present and when you start look to me i start disappearing from you it's hard to see me now you see me clear clear as i'm doing the same thing with you here those of you that can't see me i can't see you know those of you that can see me ag see you i look around read some people say did you know i was there girl no i never saw you why i guess you didn't want to be seen you hid my i was sitting on the end you people understand that you can be in a group and high i went through twelve years of school trying to hide so that teacher would know to call me now if i sighed the best way to have a teacher not call on you is raise your hand first they go oh you again put your hand down call somebody else then that these are all just fun times of our life these are what we go through as people collectively even though singular to our own expression we're still doing so many of the same things therefore  condemn why judge why not just acknowledge the oneness in the same list of leagues distance of life and really start to celebrate that we are in life see that's a radical thought celebrate life my father just died and passed or he's alive in the spirit for god's sake celebrate that you're dead in the flesh wake up if you wake up you can see him i am i was lying on a minister's floor and hollywood listening to that and i was like daydreaming that i heard that and i got myself oh my god i'll see i got work to do and i haven't seen the person since but thank god they played the record the tape because it was raining and i didn't know until i heard it thank god i heard at that time i don't know how many times i've heard it before i've heard it since and each time i try to wake up more more more why our nature is to expand into the spirit that's our nature whether we like it we disagree with that we hate the statement or anything else that's still our nature it's like eating produces a bowel movement whether you like that or not doesn't matter it does that even if you don't eat sometimes it does that why you start digesting your own tissues called getting thin and well i got a lot i can digest those ties back out in the physical level we're here and we're here because this is extremely important in our existence we've got to work out all sorts of things to the physical that involve a sexually mostly mental and spiritual we've got to work it out to here there's a lot of things we don't have to the don't originate here but everything that's originated here has to be worked out here that's just the law of the karma of how things are i don't like it i'd rather would just disappear i can't say i'm too it's over and it's gone i go i'm through it's over and it sits there i have to deal so i do deal but i deal in my own terms in my own time and you've got to do the same thing because you're the only one that knows the timing of your existence and if you don't know it then sometimes you have to wait on it for it to push on you before you know it well sometimes a push is on you because the husband comes this is i want to force or the boss says you're fired because you go home they say your house burned down all sorts of things will happen to move you if you miss your timing and if you don't and know that's happened to you you're still on your time be happy in that things are fine where they are whatever it is i'm prepared for the next is taking place inside of me now and sometimes it's a little heartache sometimes it's a little joy sometimes it's being with other people sometimes as being separate but none of that is to be polarized known as to be hateful or spiteful it is just to be us in the most authentic expression we can find in any given moment not necessarily to be honest with anybody else but certainly to be honest with yourself that's critical because that honesty is the path and the material by which you're going to build the existence for you and others in this life it doesn't mean confess all the past that's not honest that's information i mean from this moment on share it honestly and as thoroughly as possible and let tomorrow just show up as it will and let the past bury itself this is the moment when god's created rejoice and be happy in this john rogers closing words where they worship a sham which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free booklet about john roger and m s i a call this number one eight hundred eighty nine nine book be oh ok that's one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five  to that which is post office box three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one this is ben and that which is with john roger thanks for joining