and i used to tell ron i would set my alarm so that i could make up to watch his program because it was so beautifully edited and so forth he the fall of producing here and he's got a show i want to just let me read this live introduction kristen ross gallery is pleased to announce the opening of the st exhibition of graphic works on paper by ron rochelle lou these new works are as busy visually intricate and intellectually engaging as roshan lose infamous videos and television zero concrete t v which was the to be the best t v show in america by rolling stone magazine the best t v show in america not the best access show not the around town he went to the same high school that i did and we would see him and he was pretty outrageous because nobody in my hometown which is pretty because this is in the seventy's early seventy's he dressed kind of he dressed punky he dress really had about that is to note for people who look at it from the outside of that growing up in manchester my friend that we always hated the people who would descend upon the city on to live us go like the hordes out of room you know my childhood back in the year the early you know the late sixty's early seventy's what not even when i went back to go to college and back to that to new hampshire well but the thing what they would do that would really workers or something yeah that my daughter was there for not going with that i did a place to play right and she did a play about young women working in mills in that part of the world and then it lay about it there was a whole new there's a whole history there their own for a couple of weeks until they were massacred and your family goes back kind of far french there are presumed runs canadia yeah ronnie you know actually my great grandmother was native american i don't know what a god she was but i my grandfather who was a major anyway  working class sort of a jackson pollock main room detuning vein you know with kind of old school not entirely old school of course but there are there are people who like to work with their hands right ok ride and we how it relates to and then when i'm in the going to university i meet of a woman who becomes my girlfriend and she's an art history major and she decides to be that college isn't for her she can learn a lot more from her father who's like a major collector dealer and westport connecticut and so actually wilton connecticut which is outside the west for oh yeah yeah yeah i know the area so she's given the choices i have to graduate from college to be there going back to my hometown which didn't have all that much appeal to me as an artist or going to live come across or to new york city so that i could come to new york city and this is just one to get to new york yeah this was  i well i know that there are the the board however of the real estate board or whatever that is they're actually trying to change the laws so that they can you know change the residential laws for the commercial building hard and new york city i mean we were talking about maybe bushwick or something like that would be like the next hot neighborhood to live in the next williamsburg or is that william is it out there there's a lot going on here we have a bird's very expensive is it now yeah i think of th and they've managed to hold their own there so offering i think from what i read what i read in a couple different journals and paper is that those galleries of there are there are some good ones who'd moved out an art dealer here members and he moved up from philadelphia tonight as he was losing his artist so he said he had a choice he was going to either have to lose most of his are those because they want to show in new york city and they were leaving him or he could move his because i was i figured i was a stone's throw away and i used to actually in connecticut i would come in at least every month but i would try to do every week you know come in every week and go to openings young he would that's easy to do come down grand central run through the majority of the yeah that i've done in my life other than the classical looking painting that i do for a while because i've been a huge big fan of german renaissance painting from post one assigns painting as well as would jordy of my work as a visual artist on now and now doing a collage work that i have up in chelsea and my show concrete t v the thread that runs through it is popular culture oh yeah you know pop art and popular culture in and never your show it is rather be the show that's a christine rose's oh yeah the so it's called the name of the title of the show is called christie's other bees and sometimes phillips because if you go to see the  but then at a very early age my mother was very encouraging and considering my mother's educational level and considering her life experience it was pretty progressive in thoughtful of her to actually when i thirteen years old and i do have a life model all because i think my mom had seen that i would that point i was going a lot of cartoons and the only thing that was keeping me from being like off the wall juvenile delinquent whack on the head and i would have good pretty good reactions because i managed to block his good for you and i had a nun around the same well i got kicked out of public school i had to go to parochial school and not to watch along from there i actually had a nun tr little repressed and she was a canadian herself and so she took me in the hallway and proceeded to try to whack me with this thing and again my reaction time i managed to like grab the stick grab the stick before she just went off and i was people to see the clips and if they get the watchers the clip of they like it you could there's actually a website sponsored by rockstar games the guise of the wonderful people that bring you grand theft auto oh yeah they are huge yeah they v you know here's in the television the d m or here's something interesting i think this is it goes along with part of my philosophy i think donnelly there's two movements that that i think and i was thinking well yesterday when i was riding my but in the in the modern mode of thinking or what young artist movement are they most influence from and you can say you know new expression is you know colored feel painting action painters but i think  at the whole modern art movement i think the most important movement would be surrealism and with really surrealism then from there datta is this notion that the work has a strong know i think you know sure pop art and commercialism was the thing but what really when i was a teenager and or maybe a little bit younger when i would go to there's a thing growing up in a mill town like a place like manchester new hampshire where you were moved as the st book and this is sad from the st book that i ever read i was in th grade i mean i probably read greg's book that you ever read i think the that prior to that i mean obvious they read green eggs and ham and that sort of thing you know those kind of mature written material that i remember around the house growing up was the newspaper the manchester union leader which is a republican riot which i don't remember as a very lazy nobody invited we were on our you know bibles but my father would read the perceptual pattern the kind of thing we have d as we walk through the world then we're to have been able to have any medium that could do that and now we're getting back to a rehab that i think the world's moving away from from the linear perceptions of marshall mcluhan's to there was a major metaphor o worthless civilization with the kinetic alphabet everything strung out into long you know strong linear concepts that have to be caught but if you walk through the world you're doing things maltese and foley and that we're getting back more to that so the art and the t and the other kinds of media i think you're right you're right hung up ending you know but we're getting there one of the problems ron is we don't have only so much time we only got an hour with the dog for forty hours easy oh and we're talking and it's really interesting  that moved me to be an artist and then when i came to new york and i showed it a few galleries i actually had some good experiences but i wasn't selling anything and i wasn't being represented from after a while of making odd wark and i did you make your way i job at a hotel here in town as a union weight as a union bartender and waiter all that there was gave it gives me security you know and in medical benefits of course oh and that's it that's nice to know yeah but it's becoming more of a well on the because you know as you get older and i respect those people who take the the leap to take i guess the risk to just put themselves out there and i know it sounds strange but you know especially at this point in my life but i am actually trying to find the courage and i have been i've been i work less and that are going to go into my favor with a bed in the last two years but i'm feeling more like an artist and less like a waiter are you know of a friend of mine jim a pot of it shows a throw a message out to him he was of great influence one of the best teachers i ever had one of the a list draftsman  and he would always say that you can only serve one master and there's this notion and you'll come again every time you speak to an older artist anyway not some punk kid but if you're talking to anybody from like my generation or your or maybe know the social sciences and in particular that the bucky fuller he was interested in everything well in you with ism and socialism and i think the what are the interesting thing when i think we did so some of them i thought sure no no no my admired social democracy  formed and just income i'd like to see a world of measured affluent comfortably a fluent leisure to every human being on the planet well karl marx did say everybody should have time to write poetry or did he say that yeah i want to quote and just for like something that was of the story yeah that sounded tough yeah and then i come to find out who's a research later on about news that conquest you know that it's a very important basis of guy shaffer was running a radio station and in exchange i don't i don't think he was a sympathizer they just ran you know he were in the studio and saying that he needed to run the studio the germans provided him with like a budget for so what i'm saying is that when they invaded paris and they took over this radio station that was won by this peer hafer guy he was able to convince them to buy all this equipment on in or so they could do would there be ill i guess thank you it's a stream of consciousness it's also there's a lot of happy accidents that occur when you don't you wouldn't get those people always say well why don't you work why don't you do it digitally vsto even cheesier do it you know online and the thing is i  just i was committed or him committed to doing it as tactile as i could also when you know i believe when i've attempted to do it digitally as you don't get the happy accident is that right is that really th is i could do to having a big tape in my hand going to the video store and renting v h s get all those tapes where you had cooperation from stores to get all those clips well for a few years i had the support of actually at one point i had the support of three business and then world of video which is still operating with my last source you don't take things off the internet or if they can't get clips in thing well you can but the a wallaby was so poor that what i had to start doing because so few things and i didn't really like to this is what i would do piece from your television which you're still doing with us you still doing it still putting it on is still very good and could be a candidate for the best t v in terms of cutting and that go on trying to and you've got a great sense of humor oh thank you and it's also got political stuff with all those marching blue how do you put all that together when and you know just share with a little bit because it's really brilliant know thank you very eclectic and it's all kinds of the and it's very funny oh time well try to stay open brought a happy accident happy accident happened accidents but what do you do you've got to you've got to you're recording on something recording the tape and you're getting so arsons own words you've got audio and video source right then how do you set it up do you get you don't have any idea what you're going to do when you start know this source is coming do you have many sources you can drop out or you take one tape at a time i mean yeah and you've got the audio and the do you put the import of narrative yourself result taken from the script of phone or whatever it was the next person who came into office they wanted it to whatever reason was a collector wanted and so he said time's up he had seventeen years to work on this thing you got to move on but it's not unlike that where you can keep as you change and it's interesting to know with concrete t z it would say if you watched a particular episode i think we have the clip that you had seen with a soda a day only episode actually that has a pipe per se it's called the it's called the mexico episode that that's very i think experimental but very good i'd like to see that i'd like to see that well that's what i want to go through that but that's part of what i'm putting out i'm actually putting out i'm working on right now who designer a very good designer  professionally and ryo that the packaging matches the quality of the actual you know d v d s yeah that would ruin a good and then you had some sort of distribution of how you went on i can't just just distribute them commercially because there's a art is generally speaking just the very notion if you deal with any art that surreal or dato or conceptual it doesn't happen as has really be political but by the very nature that this free expression oh  a political agenda that's the commonality they have in terms of their authentic in terms of you know with their approach towards art that it has to be propaganda and you know if you're talking like a stream marxist they want that you know like those are real out is in that kind of a context and all these things are trying to program everything like that i think are going to have to give way to it and we only have just begun to touch i think we're ready for a huge renaissance of the deliberation of the human spirit within that context on this planet and the systems are getting in the way well i think we have to get one that encourages that rather than discourage i hope that time comes before we have to go gil i think before we have to  can find out about the art show yes by all means that's right