bannister joining us and his web site is agent for truth dot com it's an excellent web site he's also an author but just looking at this i have the new york times here that will put on screen because i can't find it admitting the i r s takes tens of thousands of people's businesses and accounts with no proof of fraud and even the new york times admits that they have congressional hearings lawless i r s she's account some suspicion no crime required banister's speaks out against this and they try to put him in prison this is a talent tarion move but how can you believe anything the system says when the da for decades has been recording and tracking basically every phone call and lying banister thanks for coming on i kind of set the table there with the background of this persecution and now lois lerner the d o j says no contempt charges for a former i r s official lois lerner she gets to persecute tens of thousands of people wrecking their lives causing suicides in prison and people these are the type of folks that came after you there are allowed to commit their crimes but joe bannister what do you make of that having me on alex that's been a been a while and sixteen years since we met in the chinese restaurant and fremont california when you're doing a police state investigation the hole is very deep you're right i her and they're all to mentally allowing this to go on but even someone like lerner and all of the underlying causes that she was ordering around no heads roll they get their retirements they get their pensions their pay check i want to know how they themselves can persecute even mainline pro life and libertarian grab and try to put people in prison or deny their father one c three mean they're just such conscious persecutors there's such get the american people and a much greater numbers to be sick and tired of being treated like chumps and remind people of this so frequently and and so let's go back and talk about just britain for a look at the other folks that i know as well that are in the enforcement system they now are having that moment of truth like the military realizing how real all this really is the denials over now is the moment of truth but describe for folks what they tried to d you first simply speaking out about what they were doing well in a nutshell alex i had some clients after i left the i r s and frankly the clients drugged me and dragged  into dealing with the i r s on their behalf and i really wanted nothing to do with the i r s but a particular client wanted to sue the i r s to get his tax money back so he had already paid the iris the money the i r s lays out instructions procedures to follow if you want to get your money back and so the client asked me to help him dot all the i's and cross all the t's to make sure that he followed the rules to try just try to get his money back of course the i r s is a civil process that goes on as you try to do that and the i r s can simply say no and then you appeal to a higher and higher levels and that's the way it's supposed to work that's the way their manual say it's supposed to work that's where the courts say it's supposed to work but the i r s did is they turned that process on the client trying to seek a refund and using a c p a to help them all the instructions they turned that into a criminal activity whereby we were fraudulent least seeking a refund and it's very typical that the i r s will do this to people they'll pull out the criminal prosecution card the specter of you being a criminal in order to silence and discredit you and unfortunately there's a fortune an unfortunate part about this you have to be charged criminally in order for you to get a jury of your peers to actually evaluate your conduct most of what the i r s does they do similarly and there's no jury involved rarely a judge involved and so they can you know unilaterally unilaterally do all the evil that they do but when you're charged criminally criminally you still have an opportunity for a jury trial and i had a jury trial and sacramento california we were a little concerned because the majority of the jury pool came from government service you know sacramento california is the capital of california brimming with government bureaucrats and we had quite a few government servants on the jury and yet they were the ones that were the most awake so you never know how you're going to be surprised and so june of two thousand and five fighting for felony counts that would have sent me to club fed for quite a few years i was acquitted of all the charges and deservedly so because the jury saw the most ridiculous allegations and then when we got to trial the government had no case a couple of the jurors told me after the trial they said well joe every time the government brought something up  actually made you look better aren't they supposed to bring up stuff that makes you look bad and i said well you know they didn't have anything that made me look bad and they couldn't even manufacture an agent in a dream again right there were other i mean immediately after my acquittal they started this six and a half year civil investigation and of course most of the civil action that they do are really just veiled criminal investigations where they gather up as much resigned to the fact at that point that i'd probably be dancing with the ira for the rest of my life so i kind of you know getting what i already expected and thankfully i'm still very appreciative of the rights that  tell still take advantage of care a lot of people say this sounds scary i better submit to them but they go after people that go along with the system then meanwhile upwards of half of congress doesn't pay taxes or owes taxes mainly democrats they then don't get in trouble al sharpton and you know millions of dollars never pay at all the big billionaires have the laws written in the special accounting firms that have the c p a s and top lawyers tell can't do it with a little bit of money but if you've got billions in your part of the establishment then you can and that's what's so frustrating i'm sure you saw the new york times article in the directional hearings a few months ago where they just admitted ok the i r s does take innocent people's money they know they're innocent old ladies that deposit you know from their small diner six hundred bucks a day pay taxes on it they now call that criminal even though it's not criminal and take everything the old lady's god i mean this is just wild and then now we see asset forfeiture seizures of the feds and local police expanding i mean it's getting so naked is it getting worse or are we just more aware of it now i think both frankly you know in the  eighty's when all the money laundering laws the structuring laws it all became had a lot more power and teeth it was actually in the eighty's that ira special agents were unable to carry their firearms twenty four seven that used to be prior to the eighty's that they have to check their gun out of a safe they rarely would actually carry their gun with them so the whole the money laundering laws the structuring laws all these laws that are tripping up the average american this is something you speak about so frequently you know problem reaction solution they tell the public that oh we have to go after these drug dealers and get all these money laundering laws and sure they could choke up the money launderers in the drug dealers if they wanted to but they don't but they actually want to use these measures to spy on the american people and the financial spying was some of the you know the earliest spying that they did i mean the structuring laws come  from the bank secrecy act right of one nine hundred seventy so the planning occurs many decades ahead of time and sadly you know we collectively as americans we keep getting we keep getting boondoggle that  oh the target of this is really these bad drug dealers and i found when i was doing my investigations on the i r s that wow why is it that all these bad drug dealers you know we may take off one out of a thousand but  and the headlines are you know more i r s investigators target blue collar i mean they'll do some fifty thousand dollar investigation over a thousand dollars of some blue collar guy that can barely pay his bills because they don't want the investigators going after the real criminals they want to be going after the general public joe bannister a true american hero is our guest we have guest we get on from prison who are then banned to talking to the outside world i just happened last week i mean folks this is what and countries and i people just have a different perspective than i because they hear me talk about the i r s and all the stuff that's happening now discuss trying to scare us to go on the government and some people think that's why they leave me alone the government thinks are cowards and just thinks that for telling you all this and you're just going to roll over and fear that's not how it works let's say ninety five percent of the public rolls over in fear and five percent doesn't it's way above that the globalist can't carry this out if we don't go along with it they need but her dad came out i think almost to sabotage her and endorse the vicci french occupation with the nazis in world war two transcode down with the nazi takeover they didn't fight the germans hitler was there four days after the invasion in paris maybe five percent halfway stood up and hitler could barely beat the french and the french who conquered much of the world were known as one of the most warlike recipe people got a wimp reputation at that point that isn't even real have here is a foreign corporate takeover of our government and you see it happening all over the world folks this is illegitimate it should be so easy to say no and you know i know i'm i'm ranting here joe bannister former treasury agent who went public with all this information sixteen years ago has been persecuted but come out of it stronger i think we're trying to get at is people that's why i'm so animated it's because i realize how real this is you realize how real this is and then i want to just give you the floor to cover other i r s topics and some of the good news i know you sent me an e mail about some of the positive things that i want to take some phone calls will be all over the map thanks as you correctly point out you know there are three part of the reason that we get so animated about this is because we actually pay attention to the people that are suffering not only you know millions of americans getting their bank accounts seized and liens put on their homes and financially devastated but then those people who actually speak up about the iris and about you know why we have an income tax or did it come from you know it's the darling of karl marx not thomas jefferson but the suffering that goes on as you  whispering in your ear kind of thing they never did that to me thankfully you know the stuff they had to do to me that they had to come out into the light the light of a courtroom and a jury but there's so many tentacles to the octopus and how many different ways that they can attack you and i don't mean that to scare people but that's why i try to encourage people to educate themselves if you think it's bad that lois lerner orchestrated this campaign against conservative people what about the fact that the income tax as it's administered and enforced is a it's a scam in the sense that most americans are never required to pay the income tax there's no statute that's ever been passed exactly and that's what kind of it all you know we all have our pet peeve but i i so much wish that the american public if you're mad at the irises attacking you know your pro life group or your pro marriage group or whatever it might be how about the fact that they they're taking money out of your pockets illegally and they've been lying to you since you know well since at least world war two it's not really all about in one nine hundred sixteen three men three years after the sixteenth amendment  so the lies are so deep but the biggest lie is you don't even know the tax and are really paying it just out of you know a gun to the head gun to the head and that's what about this is a shame that only got to fund the government it will collapse you're an expert on this break that down well sally would understand as you know the federal reserve is much like a credit card advance people most people probably understand that if you take a five thousand dollars credit card advance because you you know qualify with your credit rating they'll give you five thousand bucks in your account and then as long as you pay the minimum payment every month you're fine if you stop making the minimum payment then they'll get ugly with you but you know let's say and on the federal government's case you have you know a trillion dollar cash advance you can take and as long as you're making the minimum payment you're fine and of course the bankers what they want to make sure is happening is where does the government get the money to pay the minimum payment or the cash advance they get it from you and me and so the government doesn't care if they have to well frankly it's easier to lie to you and get you to come forward and give them the money than it is for them to actually tell you the truth or just do it because you know the law requires that and then enforce it it's so much easier to lie to people and that's what they've been doing for decades and i'm just you know part of my job hopefully is at least to infect the jury pool out there they're still americans that serve on juries and i need we need them to wake up and the next time that there's a tax allegation against some defendant don't be so quick to accept that the government case that oh this is another tax cheat he doesn't want to pay is fair share that so that's a load of crap and people need to wake up to that and how deep the lies go and you know if they're going to the other thing that got to me alex i always thought well how can they be so brazen a taking our second amendment rights and our first amendment rights what are they thank you know and then i realized well if they can rip us off you know take money out of our wallets the income tax and that's a scam that most americans only required to pay it in the first place well the sky's the limit they can do anything right that's right and  if they can arrest reporters from reporting on wiki leaks and then ban them from talking to media while they're in federal prison then the sky's the limit i mean that's the thing we are so deep into this that i'm really worried about the next shoe to drop i do see an awakening but it's kind of like being awake while you're being burned at the stake or something joe in your gut where do you see all this going well i i see hope and i also have  great concern you know america freedom to fascism which i'm sure a lot of your listeners have seen but i always encourage people to get get that film continued to be seen even by more people aaron russo did an incredible thing for alex jones or anyone that's actually being attacked they are your neighbor ok just because your neighbor down the street isn't being attacked or you're not being attacked or your cousin isn't being attacked doesn't mean that people are being attacked by the ira by the by the federal government being tripped up by this these thousands of pages of regulations and we need to speak up and speak out louder and we were really need is more numbers when you turn to me but also the i r s won't even well again that's why i encourage people to learn a little bit more about these tox laws you don't have to be a tax attorney or a c p a to recognize the way that the i r s like for example the ten ninety nine situation most people know what a ten ninety nine owes and they think oh i paid someone over six hundred dollars therefore i need to issue them attend ninety nine look at the regulations governing ten ninety nine thousand you'll see at a minimum you may not even have to have a so security number put on the ten nine and you may not have to file it to ninety nine at all and that's what the regulations say now i recognize that the i r s will still try to enforce it as if these are requirement they're making you report on other people in what should just be an open transaction which is prior restraint and is antithetical to a free society that's right i mean everybody knows we don't have to live through world war two we can read enough about it to know that it was citizens reporting on each other that enabled the tyrants to take over and keep control so we've got the same issue going on here why are we reporting on each other and why are we reporting to a tyrant you know it's one thing to tell somebody something about someone else but when you're telling it to a tyrant somebody with a known track record as you say so outright i mean i absolutely one time there was a grocery store gas station that became a drug dealing operation and they were obviously running all sorts of stuff out of there it was really seedy and gross so i did tell the austin police department about it i said you obviously know this has been turned into a drug dealing brothel house right here off william cannon right by my house i don't like it and nothing was ever done i'm not i'm just saying that was the local police i told about that though i would never call the i r s tyrants even on my enemies because then i would be complicit in the tyranny you're exactly right and you know we have to recognize the i r s for what it is it's a tool ok individual i r s agents a lot of them are probably you know good people hardworking but of course the thing that i fault them for is not again recognizing that if the agency is harming their fellow americans our fellow fellow americans then they need to speak up about it and what's been sad but not too surprising to me is how few iris agents you know followed me out the door and i don't mean to puff me up like i'm some you know great thing but you did leave it was a pretty big group statistically very small and a lot of those irish agents are in prison right now well for example sherry jackson i mean she she paid a lot higher price than i've had to do and of course that's why i don't you know i don't like being called these a names like heroin these things i've had it pretty easy especially when you think of how people have fought tyranny and tyrannies and tyrants throughout the centuries you know what i have to do go to court and prove my innocence i've been very fortunate but there are people that are still suffering even today and you know i know there's a lot on our plates in terms of keeping track of all the  just it's just crazy how corrupt it's gotten and that a cop you know this goes on to watch this cop plant that taser on the guy he just killed that's why the cops now go to prison is because you know he could have said he was scared or thought he had a weapon or whatever he got fired now you're going to prison because he would just call bluntly kill somebody and then try to defame him by framing him it just it makes my head spin but i like to remind everybody that you know the constitution requires an oath that each federal employee twork or takes an oath to support and defend the constitution not their supervisor not their agency but the constitution so the  founders the constitution designated each and every employee each and every worker to that they had an obligation a watchdog defend the constitution correct and you when you have everyone policing but they actually demonize the constitution and say look out for the people that talk about it and you sworn an oath to it exactly but isn't it kind of funny how it actually becomes when they attack you into something i've found grudgingly is that when you get attacked it actually gives you tremendous opportunities when you were attacked by piers morgan what you turn that we probably got fifty more stations out of that in an incredible support absolutely that's what i'm saying going through the fire being persecuted at least in my life there's a providence or whatever has only made us stronger each time but then i see people they've killed they've put in prison that's why i'm exactly i mean if i get put in prison and tortured to death yes i want to be a hero folks and i don't want that to happen if joe is in prison right now you could say he's a superhero like some of the other folks out there but in a world of cowards it is heroic to do what you've done joe and you want to get to the peer pressure and you know they have studies that show that physical valor is more common than moral valor under peer pressure and it just takes a lot to go against that peer pressure and if we have more people like you in the government it wouldn't be so out of control corrupt joe banister i mean just another example my dad's uncle he worked in super secret corrupt stuff and then said no to and got out of it as an army officer a marine when i was a kid you know what he was like and he told my dad all this stuff i mean it but i mean beyond that the iris working in the criminal investigation division compartmentalized away from the auditors and the collectors but once you lift the veil off and you actually lift away the compartments and see the bigger picture  can see how your particular tasks actually help the tearing so you know i would again encourage people to look at the bigger picture see how you fit into it and then you can make a better and more informed determination as to whether you know you're actually helping tearing your actually helping to steal from your fellow americans and take away their rights as you mentioned relatives in law enforcement to my brothers are police officers and one's a battalion chief firefighter my brother my youngest brother jeff the san jose police officer he was just at a funeral last week for a sow's a police officer who was shot with a rifle approaching a basically a domestic disturbance call in san jose so you know i can see it from both sides and all i can do is try to really encourage both the police and the public you know be professional degenerating every metric shows it and george soros wants you to have a war with police what's your take on that well to resist resist that exact program which is you're so so right on to bring that up and let people know about it so that we don't conduct ourselves and further that program we need to resist that they want us all to hate each other while the foreign banks looted i mean it's really simple it's like criminals will set a fire to rob a bank  encounter you know the tyrant but don't think that that applies to them all i mean the banister boys are out there and they're good guys and they've seen what it's like you know what it's like to be a real cop and a good absolutely we're not going to play into the globalist civil war plan or at least we're going to try not to i will go here is the passive aerosol spring program department of energy five billion dollars a year here are the patents they add to the jet fuel  they say it's a global sunscreen program the guy won the nobel prize in ninety two for it and but they won't give us the details of what they're doing they just admit it's happening and people go oh we don't care about that you know twenty thousand views on you t but then if i just randomly or one of my reporters does calls it kim trails and says what's this and it's just a it's five million views nearby talks about it's like emergency centers establishment act two billion inmate labor ca program rex eighty four cable supplies are these are miami herald congressional studies videos of c span i can prove they've built a merge of the relocation centers around the country but if you go point at some random building and say we think there might be a good team in there to have fifty million views i won't do that but i don't get why the public loves to either believe the government lies or the opposite believe the most vague rumor and add but then when you're giving them bonafide truth they just will not look at it joe if you see no matter what would you call that paradox i have seen it and i hope i'm not guilty of it myself but i what i try to encourage people to do is remember that as you educate yourself and become more aware there's aren't necessarily following along and so it's so important so that you stay in tune with those people and you're able to communicate with them you need to try to remember as best you can what it was like before you were awakened and i'm not saying to just act like you're asleep but but continue to be calm and patient and you know especially the patients i had a  family member i met a said this to you once before who was really angry with me when i left the i or us and it and i just took it you know and i didn't really get that upset about it and it took a few years but eventually the family member came to me and apologized without me saying anything about you know i've come to realize why you did what you did and how dangerous are you know the things i've become so that's kind of illustrates to me how you have to just really muster the patient  sounds like he's you know one of us and the guys of former democrat and then i ran into another high level state judge and the guys stopped me and i thought i recognized i went looking up later sure enough it was him well i think that's going to be the critical mass is getting there alex and i you know it's a as you mentioned before it's a sprint to the finish line and it doesn't always get pretty near the near the finish line and terms of you know what the tyrants they pull out the hearts and the b and the guns we've seen this happen in the middle east we're doing everything we can to avoid that from happening and i think you're so right how we can make us make these changes and a nonviolent manner it can happen but we need more people on board were on the boat and it's a war of ideas you know so many revolutions are successful when they're nonviolent they're just not called a revolution later that's one of the biggest shops is how they brand a revolution violent and those hardly ever work because they want you to trial it doesn't work or to bring in something worse when it's the velvet revolutions of ideas that happen and it's called a renaissance remember when i was down there making a police state film in ninety nine covering urban warrior was trying to confiscate guns in the bay area on record nobody was talking about it then now at least there's a national debate joe bannister very much agreed alex i mean even when i how it's so beneficial that you delve into so many different areas and even myself who focuses on taxation but we need to make our our presentation as wide as possible because you never know what line in the sand you're going to help someone cross with the judge it was it had to do with the i or us but for us someone else when they see the arming of the police departments that might be their line on the sound so it's really important to you know have a wide variety of topics because there's a wide variety of people out there you know with their lines in the sand that they haven't crossed yet but once you show them that key piece of information all of a sudden they're with us and the globalist have done the math and they know the military number one the police number two are some of the most awake people because they've been de compartmentalise living in their natural allies of local government and state government to take the country back that's why they want to civil war and i get a lot of criticism i want to watch those but kissing on the police you're the guy that exposed the police state yeah sure the globalist could take over the police i tried to stop that it mean i hated the average cop and i mean it down i think we should double down course i'm not running for office but i think it's so important i mean americans need to look at the track record of the republican establishment that they talk about making heads roll they put on a good  to break this down he's an engineer in t v and radio and he also has the first microcomputer powered micro he says various to engineer i'm not going to get into all of it any works with production scientific advances and such other various disciplines as communication transportation alternative fuels environmental was both satellite liberal and chronic store shelves advertising electrical power generation anti aging food science when turman technologies fukushima they report dot com and he's got the people on the ground in california on the ground in japan and he joins us now you heard my little intro sure but what do you make of the media and the government admitting and but saying it's the first time radiation has reached but i know technology that he had to be against to know what to do with this thing we have no viable method to deal with it and there are so many uncertainties we we just really conserve the problems insurmountable a little bit in the dark and still what are we dealing with how much material are we dealing with and what is it and we've found that there are reports now indicate that at least five percent rods being shot up through the air in a year later they admitted that they shot up to two miles away but the government here and they are covered it up and so that's my big question before we walk through all this with the head of one of the leading organizations site has been subjected to neutron activation and neutron activation has an interesting process the radiation doesn't just go through the water every time a neutron hits a particle touches becomes radio so you have one hundred forty four million gallons of water stored onsite where every particle inside those containment vessels two billion year so every time we create a nuclear power plant recreating a system that's going to produce waste that is going to last four point two billion years oh that's the half life that  increase all these leaking reactors c b s news has seventy five percent are leaking we have news articles from the atomic energy agency as you know saying ninety plus percent are leaking it's like they had problems before but suddenly it seems like the establishment thinks it's good i mean are they space aliens that want to make the earth radioactive because i'm trying to be logical here you know i don't think you're too far off a scent of space aliens but i'll say summer's not right these people are another forty five plus years and of course for folks who don't know the radiation just each these plants they're falling apart whistleblower i mean the old days they would poison plant workers if they warn the public about a small leak nowadays they just go hey we don't care  more fuel stored at at their locations benefit shaimaa have stored in their situation now the chance of us having some doubt of tsunami has probably not going to happen but then again maps of where they store the stuff whether it's the us you can hear even it well they only seem to want to store em an earthquake line is that a funny joke or what's that i have no idea but you have to wonder where it's stored now we've done forty thousand tonnes of nuclear material plated uranium and that term is not accurate it's still thirty percent radioactive we dumped out on iraq and afghanistan don't forget the navy under orders for thirty years dumped it all off the us coast both east and west yeah i don't think you have too much probably if you're down better fifteen thousand feet in the ocean bottom it's going to sit there for a while but that really wasn't very bright either i should laugh this is crazy i'm here what kid there it's you know you don't laugh and irony what do you gonna do cry about it i mean for tell you the size of a single most and core of the three those things are thirty to forty seven feet across and two stories underneath each one of these  about something that is burning at three thousand five hundred degrees and it is the size of a small building this is all one lump and then the on the specifics when i saw the articles last you much they've been covering up leaks for ten months they say it's worse than ever at fukushima absolutely it's worse name and when you consider all three of these reactors you're dealing with over six hundred thousand pounds of this and ten so we have too many things to take our mind off of what we really should be going and frankly out of being upset with a five percent federal income tax i don't think it's important to do that for one reason they don't understand what they're looking at but the main thing is in the united states we are fed so much here that i think  finding a leprechaun but people are scared that meanwhile real threats people can't seem to get focused on and they just think you're trying to scare i'm like everything else because they feel powerless but the truth is we go through these times we're achieving nothing's happening and suddenly there's a mass awakening and things change the big problem is we we have an elite that doesn't want the public to be active so the elite can do whatever they want and the elite themselves i think are so decadent that that they become show metal maniacal that they think they're invincible and i think the radiation levels spiking and all the leaks is a symptom of the disease of an elite that have become people who work for tepco or various companies like that are serving so it's kind of a it's so comes down to the supreme court has declared that a corporation is a person and can spend whatever money  means there is no conscious conscience and we are out there serving nis companies or people who are in the nuclear field are and you're serving something that has no produced people with all the food and all the liberty we have that are showed action and so disconnected from the ground reality of the real world that they just don't care anymore about anybody but themselves and i don't lionize the veterans but people that have been in combat people that have been through serious things or aid worker that have been changed arming children and folks like that who have people who've had real suffering or seen it they at least get wanting to say freedom and wanting to stand up for others and wanting to try to be honorable doesn't mean they're perfect and that's why the system demonizes them because they know veterans have actually been in the real world and they want us all to be these insulated t v heads that aren't part of reality and i think that's it it's a world of spectators that now look at those of us that just want to build a future i mean i mean and say food for the winner i mean where i mean i'm not even saying we're special we're just not trying to kill ourselves and they're so divorced from life that they think we're the bad guys because you know like you said you had people too young to go and that was already two thousand and ten that problem so when you were and it didn't happen in two thousand and ten you dumb woman you know i think it's the arrogance of