from los angeles california here is that which he has with john roger that which is presented by m s i a the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual adviser of m s i the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john roger is a bestselling author and he has been teaching in conducting seminars for many years this seminars and titled being one who loves the lord but after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement i got two choices to go here one is the personal experience level which is usually  of mistakes and blunders or go the scholarly level which is to lay out the new interpretation of the old things it is amazing that today now in the scholar circles of our country in the world they are looking at what was the belief system of christianity of judaism and some of the muslim people and finding out that what they believed in might not have the existed and they're having great concern that scholars have known this for ten fifteen years i was listening to one of the seminar tapes that i did  nineteen seventy two or three something way back then and at that time i was saying similar words to this that did not take place that's full floor but folklore has more truth in it then sometimes we find in the regards of scholarly behavior that means the way people interpret what they think they know and that in their interpretation and then trying to scripture aligns it so that you are now being told something else a new way and the bulls down a very simply to this you have to find out for yourself and to satisfy your own mind your own consciousness that what you are following and what you are revealing will be true and authentic for you that it will be valuable which means usable that you will be able to find some use for yourself all of things that we talk about here just they are not for everyone that's it some people come into this and get up walk out so fast as surprise we we that we would even think why were they there or were they even there and others have been here twenty thirty years or more still revealing the uniqueness of their own spirituality to each other and to love each other as god has loved each one of us and we are responsible to bad that means we must respond it doesn't talk about aggressiveness or passiveness but i think it means that you step up to the plate and put your body on the line and you are ready for the word that says go that then at that moment you step into your spiritual unfoldment more directly and as jesus said let your light so shine he said more than that this is let your li so shine in there is the statement that the light is already in there let your light that is already present so shine that a glorifies the father in  heaven who else will it glorify well we have ministers we have preachers we have evangelists who use it to glorify themselves they use it to start new religions they get a new idea great idea we get people that say there are no ideas about god they're that's that's fiction it's pretty good fiction someone that's me now john roger you're a scientist and you're a spiritual person so what is it was an evolution or was a creation i said god created in a vault from there what's your problem and they looked they said yeah you know i never thought part time then you're getting exactly what you pay for because you only give part time devotion and you want part and you want full time pay for this not going to work i try to slide through slide around it off to the bible or some other religious book i don't use the word spiritual book because i don't think any book inherently is spiritual i think what i put into it as i read it and the openness that i vill myself to a bad information is what makes it spiritual i know that religion means to realign if it means to realign and guess who was in line once and fell out it's time to just get on the path of your own unfold what is it that you have to pass over in order to get into the kingdom of heaven what is it that you personally have to look at you have to look at how you gripe in your mind about how other people's behaviors is so terrible so bad in the future doing that you do so much better when i was younger much younger than yesterday and a lot longer back than that too you know it's been so long i don't really really recall how long it is but a lot of my friends were around and they still are we have to come to the place inside of us where if we think we can perform as well or better than someone who is performing let's get up and do it but let's not sit in the chair and complain about their performance because folks they put their body on the line they came up and they're doing it and they're extending themselves in service not service as in the servant and not in servant as being somebody who's in bondage but somebody who is serving in serving and serving i've heard lot of people who read a lot of information when they say god is love and he who dwells in loved wells and god and then they turn around and pull some of the most on every things in you makes you wonder why am i there friend because they need a friend when we say i will be their friend anymore maybe god is looking you at the same time of saying and i will be your god anymore but strange that may be am of the firm firm opinion that he stuck with those he made as he created us he's guys he's taught us he visionaries he's got psychic television well maybe maybe maybe he's not too involved in that but it might be so let's just let that be what it is and if you're not participating leave it alone and that that you're participating in bring your loving heart there let that feeling that you've had when you think of your mom and your dad the good feeling not the one where they were controlling you not the one who they were the authority not the one who picked you up and walked you at night when you were sleep and you were crying and you were full of pain and fevers and illnesses and diseases not that one that one gave so you could live but that's the same one that i am asking that you open your heart to now and once again let the spirit of god give the communication of loving between you and that one and grandfathers and some of you mean remember the great grandfathers and grandmothers and all those other people in between that you remember all of them just start don't let anything get in between you and your loving if you let your mind get in there and you start judging and picking on people and calling them swear words what do you think your lying is going to do because you are laying up in heaven the treasures that you are building now and what do you want to have in the treasures chest when you get into the kingdom you want to have all those swear words all those nasty thoughts all those images you want all that to have to live for two eternit there are different levels in those spiritual realms and different abilities are called for in the different levels and we are being trained and taught that there are many levels and we're trying to hit all as much as we can so when we leave this planet earth for the last and simple time we will go into that spiritual heart of the heart of the kingdom of god or the heavens if you want to call it that or if you're really sophisticated the vibrations of geometric proportions that's usually the gnostics talk like that because they want to they would use the word god they may use our but then their use another word after that we're not into that for anyone's sake or anyone's glory or to please anyone i'm not going to please you i didn't come here to please you they come here to babysit you come here to share myself with you and you can take and leave whatever part you care to that's not going to bother me because i know that that one that created  are connected to the same source and if you don't like me today you'll have to still deal with me tomorrow and next year and a thousand years from now you still have to deal until we all give up and just enter into the loving but when you've done it to the least one of these you've done unto me was not just a phrase for you listen to them go nice nice wording yeah you know when you hear the words do it unto me do it that's not think about it that's not feel about it that's not guess that's called do it it means get your rear end up out of the chair and move towards that that is the object of your consciousness transcend the physical limitations transcend anything that's going to restrict you if you and your spouse are not loving as much as you'd like to be loving sit down with them close your eyes touch each other and let that energy t both of you come into the oneness that is the perfection of all of us that holy spirit that christ the master that god who made everything and all things beyond the gods who made some things there is no need to go talk to a little kid if you want to talk to their father their mother best thing to do is go to the source save yourself a lot of time but you know what we're  fraid of far too often that if i go to god he will reject mean if he rejects me while i do well same thing you're doing now because that's all you know are you willing to look into yourself to find deeper greater and better places we have these young kids running around and having a good time and i'm really glad that they can do that i'm glad that i'm part of their being able to do this i'm really glad that most of you now have accepted the kids in their movement as part of the movement of spiritual inner awareness and i've seen a lot of you watch as these youngsters run by the pylons around there with the ropes on so to keep them from hitting into the things that when they come by there you watch them they've got more mothers and fathers here tonight than we could hope to imagine and when we find ourselves pulling in and squeezing back in that's probably the dad of all of us saying i don't want my child hurt i want my child to be the son of god and to know god's mercy and compassion and be able to support me when i'm older and i can that they will have the money to do that well that's that that's the subliminal implant we do know one thing why they had a lot of kids in the old days a sold it be supported mother and father would be supported when they got way down the wire and they were too tired and unable to go out and pick the whatever they had to and prepare presented that those beautiful kids would come in with their kids and they would take care of the patriarch in the matriarch of that family you know the family is just a very small replica of what the great spiritual family of god is we have to start getting used to being with each other that what they're talking about is really i material it is the heart the presents and that is material i like you people so much because you gain the ability in the strain to put your heart and your body on the line of loving and love and people have got healed and they've transcended that that they didn't even know until they transcend to the said i didn't know i was talking to an issue a minister in the realized what do you realize what you realize is one of these things that lady luck favors that one who has been prepared to receive that luck so if you want to live your life with a lot of luck get a good education educate yourself in the way you want to go and let god to lady luck if that's the way it be come into your heart and your life know i can see the spirit moving around the room you can too it's moving in more it may get where your eyes are start to burn as it's being shown to you more and more because you can't see the spirit with the naked eye unless it reveals itself in the cloud of glory you were not saying this is true for the whole world we are saying this this is my truth that i have experienced it and i can repeat it and it can follow the rules of what truth are and how truth will behave and i can move into it in detail prior to and pressure in loving and have it all work out rule rule well we want to be on god's side god's team we want these people who are already there though they are not part of this movement that they are also on god's side on god's team in if they show up we treat them with loving is going to park outside for a while could he show up in our hearts if he can't show up in all our hearts you've got a god is too small you might want to open up to the larger one there is a simple as mom dad father mother god how do we know mother god because it said in the beginning the elohim said if we don't watch out that will create them like us and they'll do these things and then they'll be like us and that was a and woman they were talking about ok maybe the woman was a mistake and maybe there was doing some some plastic surgery or some liposuction and this would have to be an amateur because there's nobody did a thing before that that we know about but you know i read a lot of them the bible material and other religious books from other organizations not to find anything wrong with them but to find out what my brothers and speer are studying and looking at in the material world because if they're going to do a project that helps people i want to see that we can do something to help also maybe it's not a lot but it will be heartfelt and the heart reaches out and wants to do that i found out you people maybe you haven't opened your heart as much as you want to and you can it could be a fearful experience for you to open up in your intelligence and look at what you'll lack physically because you weren't smart enough to go do it you said i wouldn't it didn't and the penalty of not keeping your words here self is to not trust yourself and therefore not trust another therefore your relationships will founder they will sing you'll go down with them if you're not going to skip your word don't give it if you're not sure if you can keep your word say i'm not sure if i can be there i will let you know more a little bit later as you get closer to the time don't use i for god we have to bring ourself continually back into the path of spiritual existence because that's where we're getting our energy for the material existence and one that's withdrawn you don't get to say oh excuse me i didn't know that was wrong i didn't know i didn't know i did it doesn't seem to care if you don't care so who but whose kid has the greater responsibility everybody in this building has a responsibility of safety for everyone else just because it is we do it and some of us i've one of them where we see a fire in the big building down the street and stop the car and run in and help get people out and then have a fireman come up and say do you know that could have crashed on you killed you know if i knew that i would have gone in there you didn't educate me when she came we had to do it and be safe then i didn't d m stop and think when i better see if i can be in the other and be safe dumbness of being misled mistreated the so what do we do we ask the dumb question the one that everybody is afraid that if you ask it they'll think you're dumb and if you don't ask at the take your money and still think you're dumb so you ask those questions you say let me see the papers about that bring them over let me look at it i have an attorney it's going to look at it no i'm not giving the paper back i'm going to do this or you want  back ok here i won't be participating with you in that project if i can't get an answer to a dumb question like where's the money going my money's not gone as a mean thing no known as who knows how to take care of me better than me no one and who knows how to take care of each one of you better than you no one but who knows how to handle diseases of the body a small group of elite people who are some are in this room we call them doctors we call them medical technologist we call them or biologists mccullum nutritionist we have a lot of names to call people a lot of things but if you're not doing that if you're not bringing into you to be used to lift you then of what value is any information to one of the nicest things you can do is to sit down with your loved ones and just have a conversation not trying to improve upon them or disprove upon them but know that a lot of the problems they've had will pass by they will pass over that problem and the next thing is what is to come alive to the spirit of christ the holy spirit god all of those magical wonderful spiritual beings to lift down lift down because sometimes we're up and put us in the place of greatest growth i hear a lot of people say i don't feel like i'm getting anywhere it's not a feeling game your feelings are for this level the growth is for another level you get very intellectual read the bible read the torah the talmud the qur'an the book of mormon there's all sorts of things out there you can go read to the vishnu testaments and you just find out what people are doing intellectually in their spare time that they're wasting on the planet because every one of them will tell you that the kingdom of god is inside of you and god resigns there and he's available immediately i don't care what church you go to if you're atheist or agnostic or anything else at does not bother me what bothers me is this are you a loving person you love that one that you've slept with and given children to you lovers that if god shows up he would say here's how i want my spiritual family in the physical to grow to love one another as i have loved you you know some was enough to make you cry that you might have missed the chance to truly love someone and let their heart have a chance to open the see the holy spirit dancing in the glory of their own views were part of all this i heard an astrophysicist with some bio chemical degree talking about life someplace else and it was so need to hear him talk about how he had restricted his vision he was saying now i restricted my vision he just had by making only scientific if it is provable verifiable and repeatable it is not real and somebody called in the last him if he could take more than one breath by himself he said well there are these anomalies which translate to abnormalities the goat being a human being  he said but it's be foolish to think the only on planet earth is there life and i thought he was coming awake and i was just i was sitting up like guys who have come awake right in front of all of us and can we're to get up and go hallelujah and we're going to make fools out of ourself and he's going to be awake you know he didn't wake up he still thought his way of thinking of restricting the existence that was what he knew it wasn't too long ago he died he got too old for his own information though it's very nice to be intellectual to repeat what you've learned from other people and repeat it over and over rote memory god's intelligence is glory god's glory is intelligence that is the making of the spirit in us when we tap into that and we get the archimedes effect the aha i see it i got it i caught it we're thrilled beyond  existence of what we can do with that moment archimedes ran down the street yelling ah ha you suppose it got out of trouble water because you found out displacement of water and the mission with the involved in that run around going o put on a bathrobe oh that was my restriction maybe in that time that was the thing to do get naked and run down the street in the winter time i wouldn't be there i'd be down to hawaii doing it or to you someplace why because i can choose some organizations some cultures civilizations did not have the billet or the knowledge to choose they took the beatings of their spouses and whimpered and shut up now thank god spouses are yelling out loud that is abusive to me you know where is were is when you want your ready and you can go right now and it's not around what kind of punishment is that it's not fun and so to make sure the size available to you amongst other things you get married and amongst other things you have children and amongst other things you have to go pay for what those children are doing and amongst other things those children go out and they start to find other children and then you end up like my brother and sister with twenty five children down from their l i'm sure glad because boy when it gets dull and boring just talk to them because it's gossip time with just what their own kids are doing these in my family by birth and by my wanting it to be that way and i will not hurt my family they may not like what i do what i say and all that they have that's their right to not like that's their right to re use that is their right and i support it but it is not their right not to love were love each other because that's the way this works we in moving the spiritual in awareness assumes we stop loving each other this will disappear because of functions upon the basic structure and foundation that god loves all of its creation and that's us and isn't that and i just think people in here you haven't met before and you start talking to them and leave iran will all meet for another meeting and people that you knew here that you saw you'll start talking to him in another meeting and in the meetings go down to the angels will just be talking to more and more people and finding out my god you're a wonderful person my god you're tremendous being thank you for being my friend and for showing me your friendship and the open hand of acceptance thank you for that because without that no matter how good we look we start to wither that flower of life starts to wilt that being that god sanctif is not going to be turned away are you going to be the one to do that are you going to be on the side that is wanting that to happen so they can have what's here i don't know why people haven't got to their head you're dying off the or somebody either didn't know what they're doing and made a faulty world or they figured we're here to for a while to learn what is here to find and get together with the souls of spirit that we knew before our friends mothers and children that we chose before we ever incarnated you know we chose we've been choosing all along and if you don't like what you chose wise up choosing the loving heart start choosing the spirit father start letting the spirit mother hold your head look upon each other as the bright light that you are directed that to somehow con you why what am i going to get out of this what i possibly get i took a vow poverty you get a freebie here but we all get to love each other and we all get to walk up away from somebody if the loving stops that attraction them animal magnetism it's best to walk away it is best to walk away it is not best to fight and decide who gets the most things there is reasonable to us and rational less the can lift and be with us and we can we can do separations ourselves because this is one i love and now this is the one that i don't love but i don't hate him i have found something else that attracted me why why did attract you because the eyes are always hungry good picture i was always hungry i found out yesterday or today that my mother told my sister in law here's how you handle your husband i won't do this justice because you have to be there when the person says that but listen ladies when your husband grabs his coat to leave the house make sure your cold is hanging right by have handled any kind of divorce because you'll be there with the one you love and he goes out there looking and he doesn't mean to go looking astray but the eyes are always hungry and if you've got you've got to get that clear in your mind that you're going to look around but just sleep at home can shop in the grocery market but eat at home there's a lot of things you can do but there's places where you can not do except what is restricted to that and you bring the joy of being together as your secret gift to each other during the joy of loving to each other a new community here the other day there were a lot of people and they were just reaching out touching me as i was walking by and i thought i wonder if they know that they're just forced me to eat this crap that i'm walking into and then the answer i looked at the people in the answer was sure they know they've been around here for twenty of course they know but what are they doing then they were loving they were just touchy it was loving and i love that and i and i appreciate to by the time i got up the front i had tears in my eyes and i had to stop over there to wipe my eyes so i would like talk i was crying what was i crying probably probably but the heart was certainly overflowing with your tenderness towards me and your bill to the stand forward to come forward and support and look at what we're doing and i hope to god you are still checking it out if you take my word for it you play the fool you play worse than the fool you get involved and checked it out because you're part of walvis mechanism your part fits in some place it's nobody's going to go drag you and put you in that place you've got to come and present yourself it's called batter up and this time for you to do that but you can't do it unless you know that it works and that's important please keep checking it out you'll only find out more truth in the five misled you are missing one is the word this is a misspoke correct tell me let me learn a little bit too i got a couple words i keep saying wrong all the time not one person has ever come forward and said you know you say that word wrong and maybe they think that's always to be said wrong is wrong right right now i'm not the decider i'm one who participates with you i am the one that sits there in your heart and talks to you from my heart and i know your sorrows and i know your tears a lot of you've just come up and just share them with me hug me and started crying and snotting all over me and i and i'm sitting there going boy i'm sure glad that we hug each other in the we're close otherwise it's not all over the rest of my sign and then they move and hit the other shoulder and go well you know it's clothing and then i realize they loved me enough to share and that was all they ha available to share that time god bless me in them just god blessed me in them you understand the first love spirit is acceptance and we start to accept each other as we are we will galvanize the spirit of enthusiasm and two we start doing better and better and better and yes we will look at those who didn't do their part and we will know they didn't do their part but if that hearts got to be done it doesn't matter who does it somebody is going to do it when it came my turn i did it i said ok do i know what it is not the slightest idea and so the spirit of teaching came upon me and i sa is not easy this is really hard but this is not easy because i got to fight against my own incumbrances the mind and the emotion and body i had to fight against my own stubborn resistance i finally had to say here lord you take it it's yours i did what i did and if that didn't work get somebody else and i'm still here and we're all still here it looks like and maybe we're still going to be here tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow is that good or bad as long as you're working out your indebtedness to the spirit to you misbehaviors your own bad choices stay here and work them out if you ever notice that some of these things keep coming around over and over and over and over and then say but i thought i was through with that but what part did you do to get through with it you did nothing except lie to yourself be patient on the lord of what is the lord's time the same time as your time he's in you folks you have a permanent guest you might want to treat yourself a lot better and clean up the holy place to get away from the negative thinking to get away from that nit picking to stop trying to be one up on whoever's around you but to love them and see that god's blessing from you verb believe or intentionally or visually ghost in them this be a good science fiction movie all these people who are so spiritual love with each other came to hear the teachers tell about what happened and then they all died and what was his final word by and what is our final word really to be hello to the lord and to our loved ones in the spirit world how are we going to find the time and spirit to love all those that are there well we don't know about the timing in spirit it may be all right now we're all in the same room i think spirits got organized a lot better than we do then if you know how to grow a planet pretty good at gardening but planets know how are you about building like hoover dam and columbia dams are you that not too good on that but i can one of the grass is lot of help available in this world and a lot of help needed and do we need all the things that we are good compiling financially has value to bring to us so we can have what we want and then it's stuck in the drawer and is stuck in the closet and it stuck in another place and you're not used and you haven't seen it for years why on earth do you have  there's charities salvation army the red cross there's a heartfelt foundation the heart reach the outreach why don't we just take all of that and start to give it and share it with those who have missed it why don't we be the ones who deliver the goodness of god's message of gracious why don't we do that we all have the ability but do we have the courage you know the word courage is french for heart we don't have the heart to do it we don't have the heart of string of power i watch friends who lived weights not one of them has gone out there and lifted weights a thousand times and kept going and did four five hundred pushups in one day not one of them i've seen some who tried and when i walked by they were flat on the you will go looking for the lord the lord of all of us if you got a single special one ok great have fun talk about a bigger one the one the one that has lords underneath that's what i'm talking about the ones that we find in ancient scriptures i'm talking about those that's not who we're going to be involved with we have to know their place in the history of the evolution of our society so we don't go get into it and that's why we study the history in the evolutions that's why we study different cultures that's why we go travelling to see what other people did to see if we can learn something from what they did that we can use that we can share your all going to be traveling someplace a summer maybe just down to the ocean they don't not the ocean if you haven't been down there recently is just stinks up a storm you'll be so glad you didn't buy the house there that you just can't imagine and then you get a head cold you can't smell a thing you'll love it there and it'll move around like that for you until you want know what's going on be a lover of god god is going to clean the planet we just don't want him to get you know overenthusiastic or start wax and we land because i don't know if we can run away from the ocean as fast as it will come in then if you have now give me time to get to the highest point in this area i live right at the foot of that mountain but you know the other day i was walking up the canyon where i live and i went about fifty feet and i was so out of breath the the water came i just have to lay on my back and try to flo there's no way i was going to be able out swim without running in the summer suggested i could do that every day and they would do it with me and i thought that was really neat and they know i don't like to do that if i to saying what will really hurt you at the right time and i don't mean to i own to those it's a knack it's one you get from growing up in certain places certain people behave in a certain way but the only redeeming quality and thank god if i will have one o b that they will say and here's john roger and he is one who love the lord and i would like him to have your name stuck in this same book of light of love of laughter of them through z as of gaining for the whole world would like to see that for all of us who would like to see you do it for each other do as much as you can if you can't do all just send can't do it all they asked me to walk in the hundred feet i say forget that i can walk down the hill let alone up the hill my handling that yeah but i'm i'm not terrible day of the lord when he will come smite so my mailbox though is not going to be called earth it's going to be called third planet because maybe he'll spirituality it's nice to hear enthusiasm and direction in the information but we're new we use it how do we use it do we have to have faith and blind faith maybe at that do we have to believe in the invisible in order to be able to survive or can we use this stuff physically from the spiritual concept we found  in a lot of churches a lot of groups around the country that they are pulling from the spirit the love them the support to help a lot of people so when i heard that he lied he was coming in on the airplane i canceled the ticket but you know we have a couple lives in this room and i don't mean you least somebody says that or you hear wrong  youngsters i'm talking about the one mentioned in the and i know you can have a lot of fun with the bible john and i went to new orleans for mardi gras which is fat tuesday and from then on i went to fat thursday that friday fast sunday and  and i remember lamped somebody said what are you giving up for lent i said i gave up land because i didn't want to have to do that i wanted to want to do it not have to do it but if i have to do it to save and the salvation of all of us i wouldn't hesitate to gentles i said all of us not all of you i'm going to be in the salvation routine if you call up my house some place that says john roger has moved to higher country go on i know something that i can't get to everybody but get gone and if you hear him say he said hello to there will be no savior of this year he showed up and drank all the wine but we all want to be friends with each other visible and invisible we want to use the talents you know it's so terrible to sit in the room of talented people who have a lot of talents and they won't use them and they think they're better than you at least you're doing it you're doing it as worthy of your talent is you're still doing it and one day you will do it in a wonderful beautiful way john rogers closing where it's where they rush they stand which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which occurred are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or right to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is what john rogers thanks for joining us