must say everyone michelle branch here welcomes a positive energy and lightning television for the evolving soul do you realize you are much more than a physical body with five senses you are actually an energy be equipped with extra sensory perception on this show i'm joined by gene and formally trained as a neurobiologist genius a practitioner of various healing modalities he's here to help us explore the nature of the energy and so let's start a little bit about you your background and it's interesting a little bit your story how you went from neurobiology to the holistic healing feel that you're currently in it would seem like a really giant leap but maybe not so much so tell us a little bit about yourself right you know i started out interested in healing and going to traditional routes of sort of biomedical sciences so i do pre med  stanford university and i also did a master's degree and basic medical science and i was in michigan where i live and went state medical school and then a and then i went on to get a ph d and neurobiology that  university so it was really this thread of healing that i was kind of drew me from so a traditional science and then after i got my ph d i began to learn with different energy healers so that was how the transition occurred build a little bit more of the bridge between science and spirituality and healing why are you so passionate about bringing those together and showing people that there is not as much difference as we would think and you know how would that how will that change people's model of thinking maybe their whole sort of paradigm if those were integrated yeah well i think for me just personally like  microcosmic level which was reflecting maybe what was going on with a number of people both before me and also you know now i think i had an opportunity to sort of broaden my horizons in terms of what was healing the definition of healing so with the traditional model was focused predominately from a you know what they call a scientific materialist view where the physical domain is like the physical brain or the physical or so forth define really where our targets are typically in biomedical science and of course ers allied areas of psychiatry and mental health and then the spiritual health is really what's been sort of entering the holistic health field and i think that's for me what opened you know after i had done my ph d and i think that this was a natural occurrence could you and maybe call it a soul plan on keeper level but a broadening of what that's part of why you're here yeah yeah that the earlier part of your journey leading you up to this part of your journey of this being the more significant purposeful part right exactly exactly so i think that's a reflection of what's going on in society now in terms of health and how people define themselves are you finding the scientific community too much you dabble in the scientific community might say more but are they more open to the you see that it's becoming more main streamer people are wanting to see the crossover i do i mean i think in a sense it's opening up particularly you know right now the meditation field has always been a really you know sort of a front line for opening that up to normal science research where there's been a really good body of research i think collected over the last ten or fifteen years so where they're really requiring so these rigorous studies done usually i looking at the brain of meditators and meditators so that's a really an entry point so meditation is really open the door now that over time there's been so much clinical research clinical data behind it it's hard and hard to ignore it and it's powerful it's powerful stuff exactly yeah just that our mind can affect the physical body so i know that you again are trained in various forms of energy healing or huling methods some that people are familiar with i'm familiar with other folks watching won't be as familiar but let's just for them educate people how do you define energy because this is not science class energy or like the energy it's more than that and so how do you define energy and energy healing give fo'c'sle energy you want to want right right well usually use a model that has what they call multi planes of nature multi dimensions so the physical dimension is one that people understand it's very at hand and our five physical senses sense that and that's where science is that's its domain and then to expand that paradigm the energy paradigm suggest another body or plane of nature that isn't as easy to prove scientifically because you need an instrument to be able to sense that to do science as we know it on it and that would be called like prajna she key or bio energy field and we all have that body also sort of in twined with our physical body and most people know that usually through acupuncture so the murti and the points of acupuncture actually points in the energy feel better anchored by the physical body but there can also be other planes or bodies and the next usually in the model is an emotional body then a mental body and sometimes i call that the astral body and just to finish that up if you expand that to more spiritual bodies you can either just sort of lump them together the spiritual bodies into what would be called the higher self or the so or of you expand that into different planes you could call the next one the causal plane which is like our karmic body then the spiritual plane and then the divine plane which is where we're unified with source or the godhead i love the way you explain that again giving more of a frame and a structure to it almost like again the the enter the anatomy and physiology of us th whole who we all are we're not denying the physical body and say it's one or the other we're saying there isn't an intertwined nature between the energy body and the physical body and in fact of course they work together and they work with the mind and they work with the emotions and they work with the soul exactly exactly and then you can look at more things and use that model look at experiences and that's where the models hopeful so it really makes us look at ourselves and look at the world in a different way as as a field that we're all connected to and as you were talking about sort of the bigger picture of the unified field of energy it's cold many things but it is that sort of matrix second acts all of us and we say that that is there's nowhere that that is not there's no way to separate from that and that is intelligent energy itself almost has a mind of its own it's a life force so can you say a little bit more about what science says about that quantum field that unified feel and what and what you believe because i find it really interesting the most interesting part of this right right so all those different planes and what you frame to what's unifying those different planes that i mentioned and there are seven basically physical theory called emotional mental causal spiritual divine what's unifying that is consciousness so it's basically energy in consciousness so our levels which we everyone has an awareness and so different levels of awareness allow you to tap into those different levels of in the model the different planes and usually the higher the plane  t with that energy in order to sense it ever a talk more about our senses right and our expanded senses but even as you're talking about that it's making me think of einstein because he did it you more than i'm been alluded to that he sort of proved that there's some invisible nature to life right right here i'm explaining it in my very very layman's terms and that's good the more simple this story for the better helps me understand others understand so let's talk a little bit more about you know energy healing in general and why would someone seek out some of the forms of healing that you offer what are the benefits and sensitive to kushner's or intention and that's why people have been studying sort of metaphysics as it relates lates them edit a holistic healing and they're really focused on how one creates their intentions you know looking deeply it's a lot of time subconscious intentions are what's kind of defining our life and we're trying to make those more conscious so an energy healing type session allows in general more areas for one to look at a larger model that may be a physical therapy could help in conjunction but the source of whatever the symptom might be or what's manifesting is a discomfort or imbalance it might not be originating from the physical plane although it's manifesting on the physical plane so these alternative therapies the ones that are directed to these other dimensions which are axis by different states of consciousness can help to at that same place exactly so for those who might not know the definition of metaphysical just say when that definition is and then just say what intention is we in general we know what intention is it it's desire right now it's pinpointing now come you desire let's say a little bit more about the energetic nature of intention yeah we just find what metaphysics in the terms i'm using it is really means like you could also use multi dimensional meaning and intention the better maybe the easiest and actually very accurate way to think about it both functionally as well as theoretically is that it's a thought a thought form and thoughts are usually combined with emotion like you mention desire but  people are just focused like what are my thoughts about so and such and such or so and so that's really defining what's usually our experience in our life and as you say that could often be why we have manifested whatever we want to know what it is that we're thank you so we know what we're creating if we want to create something different exactly yeah and a lot of the traditional science and psychology neuroscience you know you don't have to invoke a multi dimensional  that thoughts have a direct effect almost immediately on our physiology so that plays an important role when you work with people when you talk to people when you teach people reminding of the importance of their intention so i know you also say that we talk about healers something talk about healers a lot of those of us are serving others being healers but we're not truly healing others we're not doing the healing i know that you believe that as well so say a little bit more about the role of the healer and the larger role in society today are we as healers moving progressing things forward where do you see that going right where your hope that goes yeah exactly yeah like the definition of a healer can be very broad doesn't have to be someone who's sort of advertising themselves as a an energy healers acupuncturist or a physician or so so forth but we understand that to be the case but also people can just be healing by their presence by the kind of thoughts they hold rating healing space and so and they could be in sort of environments that really need that kind of healing that other people they're more reminding a person of their own it divinity your holiness and we have a our own natural capacities that heal and even if a person was trained to be more physically oriented they're really just facilitating the area of a biochemical level we're simply mimicking we're trying to learn what the biochemistry of the body is to and so the body really has the the the miracle healing already within it so we can be the mirror for that or the catalyst for that or the influence or the impetus for that stimulation of that natural healing ability that we're all wired with in that way and if we embrace all of us of grace our role as as healers we could start today  just any time we go out any time work around anyone matter who it is we can just hold that intention and thereby we can change a space and potentially influence for the positive exactly exactly yes some some others doing quite a lot for the planet just by holding their presence so it's not all about doing or her even talking it is just it's about being it's about understanding that we are frequency we are energy we are vibration and we do that we can shut that off sensory other sensory abilities help me help us to mystify psychic abilities what are they in your definition what are some of the biggest misconceptions are blocks when it comes to that here people have an inner sensing and i guess i would define that as something that is deeper than just using kind of our physical senses to our data gathering sources and so when people  tune in on a deep level they're accessing that inner knowing and you can go by a lot of names some of them kind of fancy and some of them a little off putting that maybe a person doesn't have that but it's just a deep inner knowing and and i learned this from a spiritual teachers names alan cohen he wrote a book called enough already but basically the way he works this is if a person says like consult him for an answer like should i do with my marriage or what should i do with my job he just says help them access the internet and he just says just assume you know and what would you do i love your home with that belief that you know because we usually don't believe that we clairaudience is a clear hearing so that in some ways they reflect our five physical senses but on a kind of a deeper level so clear audience might be hearing something that where it's nonphysical in terms of the sound or you could hear someone talking about you but they're not around physically close so the way i usually teaches it's give people an idea and those who might have a background in the energy world are energy model is that we have an energy body usually call them chalker is their energy centers are different points and you bring your awareness to different points on your body particularly energy body and by sort of working with that if you want to call it meditating or practicing bringing your awareness there you actually build a structure it's not in the physical domain and although it's anchored by the physical body it's actually in the energy body so if you wanted to develop clairvoyance which is clear seeing you can develop this  that's anchored by this physical location but it's actually an energy field so you're actually creating like an energetic i just like we need physical ideas to the physical data you need a sort of almost an energetic  but you know there's different kind of energies that a person because we have an energy about our body we can as it's a verb acting as a facilitator a healer to bring energy to someone else you know a conduit you can bring in different energ through your energy field and there's things that are like air pran or earth prochnow earth energy but you can also bring in divine energies or cosmic energies like from you know from the stars and so forth arcturus is actually a star physically a star but this method is bringing in sort of a cosmic energies and they're considered very high frequency energies and they're used for healing for bouncing and the facilitator simply intending that to come through actually just through the unified field into the person's sort of energy body it doesn't have to actually pass through the healer so they're acting as a conduit for these cosmic energies to help balance and heal the person's energy body first and then if it's a physical symptom or effect that will have a secondary effect on the physical body dies so connecting with those higher energies brings them inviting them in holding the space for that so can you can you share a little bit of that right now oh sure demonstration that people can you know i sure would do like a minute understand yeah yeah and i'll be kind of tuning in so so people can just relax wherever they are and even if you're listening to this in the future and you can just tune in to see if you feel anything the intention here is that it's going anywhere in your energy body which you might senses tingling or vibration and of course if you don't sense anything it's still working on your energy field and it's balancing whatever you need to have balance ok and so that was just a short exposure to what was called the or train dimensional bridge frequency and energy and when you feel comfortable you can open your eyes and snap your fingers and that brings us movement and that that energy and those those warming buzzing kind of sensations which is when we start to tune in that's well that's the whole dimension that we really can begin to begin to feel something so simple right so something like that doesn't require anything fancy no not no movements per se yeah yeah so i am glad that you're so you're teaching this to other people doing demonstrations and working with people tell us a little bit about what you're up to in the world right like this past week and i just came back from mount shasta and that's in california it's a mountain so i do sacred retreats and it just helps to go to places that are already energetically you know very powerful you can feel more you can go deeper faster so much as in california and i do a similar one in sedona so many people you know in the metaphysical realm of travel to sedona perfect and yet it's a great place and then predominately out like on a weekend basis i'm teaching there training method it's you know there's one there's five levels and there are about two days long each and some are longer the higher levels so so that takes up you know a lot of effort or time terms of where i'm going to yeah yeah now so that's what you're doing in the world you know that's a lot and that's a big contribution to the world and it's wonderful that we have together created this field and those of us who begin to understand it really get com cool so can you leave one thing that folks can take away one message one hopeful thing that people can listen to now they know what i think the energy world the healing world is really expanding and it's opening up everyone's consciousness to greater things so wherever they are even if they tap into it indirectly your or directly you know exploring what they most like from their heart you know really following their heart world as well wrapping up another enlightening show please go out and spread your own positive energy into the world i promise it will loop back to you in many amazing and surprising ways thank