words lauren the pre and maybe me because i'm smart enough to him be on the show i know what he's busy it's christmas he's doing these things in philadelphia and we have to guess today we have you found her name ok i can print i was a first name for sure the last name whose father she thinks will find out is the famous serial killer the times where butcher richard tottenham and the person she partnered with peter rocky who wrote a book the sons of came but we're getting to the next and now that my wife  questions for the audience to get to know you so you being here you said for almost twenty five years yes coming from normandy yeah coming from normandy and belgium because i was working and living in belgium in brussels but yes originally from normandy and friends yes and and currently you have a place where you meet your clients to talk about all these the science of well being yeah i mean i had a change of career in twenty search and i decided to be a year from being a pharmaceutical executive which has a lot to do with house which was very useful to gaining a you go for physical therapy when you break your leg so what can i do to heal my brain so is the help of my doctors and pharmaceutical products i have to say i started to run every day but i because i was a miracle that they took everything away and i never had you know any chemo for seventeen years now they still watch about seventeen years yeah i drive a lot i was sick i was cured when they took it i was very very lucky the fact that my my all my life was devoted to me to work and my family and as many women i was not paying attention to myself i was always coming late and the last one and i had a white house in one thousand five and we look absent we are young we look gorgeous right then you see me five years later i have again at least twenty two saudi pounds because we landed in atlanta so i started to eat portions that were stress hijacks your logical brain and when you're stressed you also have all those is a logical operate and things going on in your body that are going to make you crave for a cookie because your brain thinks you've been fighting or flighting when in fact you've been stuck in a boring meeting or having a very stressful discussion with somebody or being stuck in traffic so your brain thinks this woman h client tell them it's not always you feel guilty i don't have willpower i'm a failure or with a lot of people right i am not capable of losing weight i don't use yeah but sometimes when you start to explain this is why this is happening to industry has created those expectations you know you look at the ads or we supplement special meaning also whatever but i always use th analogy in your brain there is this in all men who are seated on a pile of golden nuggets and all the golden nuggets are your pounds of facts and we were engineered to retain facts to survive famine and we you know it's not so long ago that we had really to fight for survival right there less than two thousand yes exactly so when when you take a lot of the golden completely destroyed their appetite control leptin level and so force so but to go back to the old man if you steal one golden nugget at one time you will not really realize so much is going so all the way to lose weight and to keep it off is to go slowly i always have to say when people come to me i only lost one pound this week i said  teaching about your tradition calories and so force and i had mitigated results but then i realized i had a couple of clients who were sticking with me and with whom i engage in a form of cognitive behavioral therapy think you will never succeed you will not succeed so and what i do is my program is focused on all the positive every individual has strengths and skills and talents that you need to use to help you succeed including in  so it's a kind of a self discovery and i have never being overweight i understand that people are as i was saying they didn't get overweight they went to bed and the next day they're having and and they exercise too they start they go they get in roll in the in the gym they they buy their leggings and old equipment they go for a couple of weeks and combined with no losing they way that they want to lose and all that they still think instead of thinking maybe i should have never being in the gym before really what about just starting three times we give myself an hour of an hour were half an hour because that's one way also to put your brain into a positive mode and then you have to write your goals what i do is we don't put you on a specific diet or whatever but based on science we we calculate the number of calories you should be eating we have a lot of exercise as we visually look at portion because this is we don't have the time to always calculate the portion the calorie some people like to do it most people don't so being able to visualize what you have in your plate is very important so we do a lot of that  body have to be careful with the way you mix the end there are different schools of thought to keep the jenny die which is high fat than you know and so force right so they get the basics about what they need to know but also give them the basic about exercise why do you need muscle muscle mass is burning three times more calories than fat mass i have a special skill at the office that doesn't your body composition and it's always a  a wake up call so it's a quantity of what you eat is when you eat it it's like if you don't burn your carbohydrates like a few minutes to two hours when you've eaten that is ice cream but some people are addicted to sugar sue bread and pasta and so force and now that this trend has come of these fruit bowls and then keep are thinking that they are eating only frood and that it's a big very yes but it's also your ability to function your ability to work i mean when people get on the sugar detox you know like they are new person the energy their brain power their i mean i get to focus they say all my god i didn't realize i was kind of a zone beyond the sugar so your performance is and also your your door where you want to go but you will have to walk so that doesn't exist here if people want to park right in front they don't they  was his brain brain health and so forth because i was mostly women but i one really people to take charge of their health and their brain health we also showing them away i mean because if you don't take care of yourself nobody else you know you can find somebody to cut your grass clean your house do your finance even teach your kids or take care of the kids but nobody's going to take care of your house you have to take care of it and you have to take the time to do it you have t tame the time to exercise you have to take the time to cook or to eat healthy because what we eat we are what we eat and what we do or body is you know a representation of all lifestyle i have  was fifty six forty women so that was also i have to see courageous to do a clinical trial was fifty six year old women because it's more difficult to do is when as we age and i had the two the biggest losers in the trial were women in estrogen progesterone even testosterone so this affects on muscle mass we lose muscle mass so we have to be very disciplined at preserving or building or muscle mass a lot of women do on the cardio they don't pay wiz a book or watching t v and you are like you're not pushing yourself enough you have to do high intensity interval training hits that is crucial for women once they get to a certain age but have to do it all ok but when you do you hit you have to be at the point where you cannot you are ready in the face you cannot speak your ha you just wanted to stop and i have to teach i have told a lot of my clients how to do it and ninety percent of them were not doing it right what what is the time to start me because sometimes this is because in my opinion in general when you get when kids are growing up with their food here in not really helping we know that already but then there are the extremes here also that they want everything super healthy and then everything has to be organic everything has to be whole wheat everything have to be gluten free and they then the kids get crazy that way anyhow there they're going to be overweight kids h they start or or they should just finish their growth and thing look into that because they also have it so tell me about that because we see kids are overweight but we see a teenager that looks fine as you said but maybe he's eating wrong wrongly and then so when he says she should start some sort of education that without going the sooner the better i think it should start with the fans with their nutrition so this is a very see it was a very serious trial so the methodology works and one last word also self love you know you have you have to help people to love are doing great with it but you can also follow my program you know via my website where you can see me once a week and we do all the chapters one after the other and we're starting in january and i have a second book that was just published at the end of december which is a companion book which goes with this one where i offer twelve weeks time seven days a week eighty four experiments to rewire you or more this is jennifer with a very famous jennifer weiss with peter moran ski who is a writer of the new york times bestseller sons of cain the history of serial killers from the stone age to the present fascinating topic it's all over the media  murdered nine hundred seventy nine in new york in new york city i was checking into that very same hotel in that briefly encountered richard cottingham which is where my career as a historian of serial homicide began because you know if you're just doing you're going for a film company yeah i have absolutely no interest in serial killers that were didn't exist in one nine hundred seventy nine i mean it existed in the police community but certainly i was not aware of it and wasn't popular culture and so i guess i said i collided with richard conning him as he's fleeing the scene without knowing what he had just done literally in the elevator doors of that hotel and and you know slowly i became aware of what had occurred there because you know he had beheaded two women one of them was jennifer's biological mom he said the torso was on fire and he ran off with the heads which had never been found never revealed where those heads were and saw little forty years later i'm writing about serial killers have been reading about them trying to figure out what it was in my life my trajectory that made me cross paths with with him and so as i'm finishing sons of cain last summer or two summers ago she had given up a baby eighteen months before who murder on up for adoption and always wondered you know what happened to that little girl does she know you know the feeling of her mother or mother was and there she was four years later on on the phone calling me jennifer asked me to come down help her to try to put together this this narrative that richard males you know you likes getting visits from from women if you can but he's never had any other visits other than me or from a friend he doesn't have any other so what were you searching for again when you went to see here i wanted to know the details of his relationship with her if it was a random killing or if he had known her and i wanted to know what happened during the trials i wanted to know i wanted to know every detail i could about what he did not only to my mom and that and identify woman but other women it just seems strange that there wasn't much info about him and not many people knew about him so i wanted to be a mind hunter and just seek him out and find out about him even though you're dealing with a professional life sociopath stuff i also want to find my mother skull so if i can do that i'd probably feel the better because i wanted to find her initially and then i found out she got killed and i didn't it didn't sit well with me that no one found her skull i was the only one that cared about it so i came up out of the woodwork to say hey help me find the skull old man and you do the first dig in the flea for this website you told me at the age of about thirty one thirty two there are at least thirty six unsolved murders in new jersey of young women sexual murder victim other nervous we  problem of course is now these cases are getting so old that family members are passing away often these cases coat cases require family to be constantly pushing at police to investigate or as the  you know i put up this website there's a there's a kind of interactive map showing where each homicide took place and as i say this is just the state of new jersey you know people have been sending us information helpful and then a long history of this kind of fantasy that they nurture you know the average serial killer will start on around the age of twenty eight but their fantasies are formed sometimes really is the age of five so they sometimes for twenty years the kind of just take these these these fantasies and begin to take them out on the route to test the fantasies in real life until the cross that line and then they guilt the need to live double lives the need for excitement all these things the need for danger for taking risks all these things characterize serial killers w we don't know yet because now certainly the frontline detectives they need to go to their bosses you know one of the problems here is and we mention those special mushrooms they found at the scene where problem is you know in the case of her mother it's not a cold case of the more he's sitting in in trenton penitentiary this is during this time for that murder so it's not likely the need these ads but educationally i thought it would be a good idea for kids students of forensics criminology majors people interested educationally it would be great to gather some students together who would be interested in working on something current involving the royal well we're all hands on and you know that i think that would be an avenue for everyone though some people had some people go to school though and just for that the arch street project that rockers for instance i was going to reach out to that one because it's just finding like minded individuals who would be interested as a specific maybe he threw handcuffs in there as well he said there definitely is ok and yeah there are so so the problem is of course if you're going to use for example going to deploy dogs you need a special kind of dog this isn't a dog that is seeking out daughters quest for her mother suffered and you started that facebook serial killers need hugs to a kind of like i mean i'm kind of bizarre if you choose you know the dark sense of humor i always liked about your it's take some time it's something you don't really want to swallow you don't want to hug a serial killer and i really didn't want to hug him but it was easy because he's in a wheelchair incarcerated with dancers and yet so we're seventy three he's a monster still is but when you see him which kris kringle he's the old bad santa right now and i just had to get rid of the fear and face him myself and that helped you personally yeah and so you will feel the hey anything against him because of what he did not at that current time not but when it came to me i couldn't sleep at night because i was scared that someone was going to kill me and i thought it might have been richard so i wanted to eliminate i stayed up many nights with the lights on i was sitting there you know he was in prison even though i knew he was in prison this just over took what we spoke about earlier about you should warn your daughter about you know everyone should have the fear that they might get killed because there are so many killers out there killing so don't think you're not going to be exaggerating though i mean i mean every i mean they're out there the chance is a low i don't want to sort of i wouldn't say so i think the greater now well you know statistically serial killers are really rare and we're living in a moment where you know certainly violence is on that down s you know i made it known that he's an approachable monster and if you are the child of a victim and you feel that you want answers it's always good to just go to a store air and say what happened first call the counterintuitive go to the source yeah and help then and now i can finish this chat now in this is something that they cannot avoid the kind of stop doing these to the diction he said addictions and he said he couldn't go two weeks without something happening and the saying that he was really sweet remain to know that absolutely you know there was nothing about him or violent that's something that intrigued me as well i wanted to know psychologically what was wrong with him i didn't see any gentleman to fight those impulses to want to do sexual things when these women are in collars in the windows he's watching them he's seeing women on the street say hey i'll do whatever you want for fifty bucks we're not but  it's a lot of things in our culture that serial killers used to script their fantasies not just necessarily pornography but for example the world these men's adventure magazines true detective t how do you express their fantasies and script the end to what they need the feel to do comes from that kind of literature comments from our our culture we sense we teach our serial killers what the incarcerated parents and i think it's great just teach simple stuff like forgiveness and children who've had to deal with trauma maybe art therapy i'd love to do stuff  where do i start thank you for having us back oh jennifer you're always welcome back and i'm glad that willie got you know peter i'm glad to finally meet you are a lot about you i hope you'll come back in another year and we'll see what the sequel the next book again