from los angeles california here is that which is with john rogers that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m s i the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years this seminars in title science and sounds on the inner journey right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement i've spent a great deal of time in the seminars going over facets of personalities and the dynamics of what you're doing and many of you now are starting to find out that the teachings are based upon truth but it only can be truth to you if some people said thank god for these teachings because it has helped me over rough spots but let me tell you it is the teachings of god it isn't the teachings of ma'am then it isn't the teachings of ego and they work when you give up your process and accept the process of god then they they work through you automatically and you can go almost a million different places and speak to a million different people know the god speaking through you as you but don't make the mistake that your god that'll be the biggest stumbling block but god through you are god in you because that essence is there in all of us but to claim it as being defined only as yourself as your form is the illusion that will make you fall we teach as the divine medicine for all of the earthly ills attachment to the sound current the sound of god that this is the cure for depression disease anxieties it's the cure for all things not necessarily will it make you well in those levels but it is the cure man in the physical body probably has all diseases that anybody could ever have even though they may not be demonstrating them all the time we have to then call forward that inside of us that is the divine nature and it's not just a new word level problem where we say ok god there you go we have heard the thought let go  and let god and so we say ok god go ahead and clean up the garbage and wash the car nothing happens and so we become disgusted with the nature of life around us because we let go of god didn't do it well that process that is the physical is going to be decided by a physical process so far as i take out the garbage we say is that physical and if you say yes we say then use your physical body god will use your body to do that we say yeah but that's not fair that's a cop out no it isn't that's the truth that's the truth you say well what i wanted was to have levitation power so i could l it out and say well no that's too far down the line what you should have done is exercise your godly power so you would have brought the stuff into it to leave garbage and then it's out so you can always go back to first cause this is going to the effect of everything and trying to use godly powers to clear up an effect when we are in these states of effect look like i'm depressed or i'm sick or i have anxiety or i'm broke we say that is the effect what is the cause and we start coming back to first cause all the time and you know nine times out of ten it's going to be you were  watching was like but i was watching you see where you were only watching what you wanted to watch instead of watching what was there and what was taking place and it's really quite simple it's two eyes i drive with my stare and i said how do you think i know that was there and he said because you looked down the road and you saw that i said that right i just physically look down there and read the signs so he decided that he would have to look at and read the signs also but it's interesting too that when you're in the driver see you're never going to be quite as fast as the person sitting in the back seat but never are because you also have a mechanical motion going on where the other person only has to have the mind going in their mouth and sometimes a mouth is mechanical and i agree to that so we should always give them enough time to handle those things that in their level of responsibility we should do that and that's every time almost one hundred percent will be able to see the fault before they can but when we're in it and we do a far we want all sorts of compassion and understanding of our thought level and yet we want to give that to someone we just refused to give it to them we take upon is that mantle of teacher which means unless we do have that as a spiritual form we're going to start losing in our spiritual progression we're going to start losing not just hesitating but losing because we are then taking their karma upon ourselves and we do not have the ability to work it out each person has the ability to work their own karma and part of our job is to have enough patience with them so they can do that and i've talked about this level two things we need as patients and relax patients and relax and we say well i'd like to be patient relax but my boss did such and such we say you could have stopped your boss right  moment they started that by saying look i can't do that we call that asserting of yourself just assert yourself to let them know and often we think well if i let them know they'll find out that i'm not capable and i can't do it and they're going to find out anyway because if it's true that you're not capable and you can't do it after except the job that will manifest itself as not doing and the incapable nurse so they're going to find out if you tell them in the beginning you them guessing for two more days they may back off and say well that's right maybe you can't handle that and everyone is seeking for that thing in the physical world that will secure them and there is just no security here there's temporary satiation where we are temporarily satisfied but people said to me well john roger if i could make just five dollars more a day i could get out of debt and i start laughing because you just go in debt six dollars more are maybe you'll be smart do it tim one person told me a long time ago they said i'm fifty thousand dollars in and i thought about that for a few blocks were driving the car and i said yes you probably are wealthy but i don't think they're very rich because they have to pay that back no i've thought the really rich and wealthy if they didn't have to pay that back then i said oh yeah fine that's fine but you have to pay somebody is going to be coming after you one way or another to get what they feel is the the only way we're going to get out of that is to get off the planet and as long as we're going to be here those exchanges are going to go on i have read reports of people that have won tremendous sums of money in lotteries and in races like the irish sweepstakes and you know they get so happy having won something that they become ecstatic and then and in comes the i r s and says this amount goes to us and then in comes all the neighbors and all the other people and then in comes all the cells man and then in comes all the people writing for their favorite charity the by the time you get to answering and handling all that you say what a curse a curse and it can get to be that way and we seem to think that our success in this level is to pile up physical materiality it's not success it becomes a hassle the wealth of your consciousness your own richness isn't what you have it's what you can do with out there is where you start to find the wealth inside of you must this or can i move or can i go to something lesser well we say well i'm spoiled it's like sure that all goes at this level too and the end result of the result of being spoiled is rotten so when something starts to smell check your rotten levels you may find something there the cure then for all these ails it is what we call the word the sound of god and when we start doing meditation as what we refer to it here the same ram and we start moving in to our levels of awareness week we come to the level of the thousand lights which is a process of the astral light and the emotional light and the mental all those mental ideas that seem to light us up and we see those inside of us and it has various configurations and often we have forgotten many of those configurations and when they come back we get all through it again like oh gee this person's coming back in my life again it's like maybe it would be wise to have them back in your life again like they were before because look at us put you through and it might be nice if you were through that but look what you're in you know people write me letters and they say oh john roger i'm living with such and such a person and  they are not working and i have to supply all the where with all and they tell me they're going to work and they keep telling me they have a job interview next monday and this is been three years now what am i to do course we all have the answer don't worry it's called dummy but then see the question is that you would ask them is why are you and were you hanging on to those people for so long why and the answer is well if they got a job th bring in money and then i could have the things that i think i should have what we're saying is their lust is defeating them their avarice their greed their being defeated i say will how long how long should you give that person and the answer is quite simple how long do you love them and how much and how deeply and what is your kar because like my karma is hell like how do you change that to heaven all i don't know i'm always thinking about there not doing other things like that's right you're out there now i'm thinking of all those things out there that i can't get because i have to give them money for their things so we become caught up in the object of our senses and the object of our senses is a process of our emotions and the process of the emotions is the attachment to the mind and the mind is ruling the kingdom and then we say stinking thinking is taking place so how do we then overcome that well one you can be very ruthless you can say get out leave go away don't come back and to bring the check the other one is to set a deadline here in the pro like deadline and the deadline is in three weeks if you don't have a job go by and they say well what if i got in three weeks i get a job interview for the fourth week it's like go live with your mother until you get the job that gets to be hard doesn't it it's like well i can't do that it's like why can't you do that why can't you do that and they say well i love the person you say then why do you entertain these other ideas if you love them why do entertain that it's like well yeah but i love him but it's like let's look at the but because that's the problem area well they don't do this and they don't do that upon whose level of accomplishment are really looking at it upon yours so you're judging the very essence of what they're doing and as you judge it you eat it you know they say man will be punished for his sins that's not true man's sins will punish him and you don't have to die to get the punishment exact getting it right here you get a long lost going in a beach right in the head know procrastination is also soon start quite deadly but after new feel like you're dying dying would be no punishment you'd be out of it but you have to be punished by that over that but that produces the next room the lust and that lust beach in the head until you can release it relieve it that's no sin that's fun it's a release but that then starts the habit patterns rolling in the consciousness so even then when you're not thinking of lust lust sits there and beach in the head and your sins are on you and it could be avarice greed lust line stealing it doesn't matter those processes will still appear on you as you beating you and the inability to change is your karma kind of sits there and that's what makes it hard is like yeah it sits there and every time i go to get up it's such a heavy load so we find a lot of our illnesses are what we would term you know psychosomatic psychosomatic would say you know wrong thinking wrong feeling produces wrong results in the body and if you get caught up in a karmic play with somebody you get there's also and if you're not equipped to handle it it can be you know a lot of people say well how do i know if something that comes my way is karmic like an illness and i can't do anything about it or i can do something about it we say well you don't have endure it if you can cure it they say well how do i do that was say you go to a doctor and he will diagnose hopefully correct hopefully and if he does then he will give you the medicine and that's going to produce a lot of things one your friends will stop harping at you to go see a doctor and that can be nice so that gets them off your back and to you're going to feel better that you know what it is even if it's something bad if you don't know what it is that's worse than what it is once we know we think ok maybe i can handle that and the third thing is like the doctors give me something that will bring me in to help into balance and i will feel better and if you can produce those things and you can get rid of it then you have overcome that karma and if you can't then that karma is called think karma and you must fulfill it and it could take you this entire life we say well god how do i handle that well you do meditation simran you go back in by repeating the tones of god and you come to that level where you hear the sound you hear in the right ear or the center and sometimes a good way to practice to cloud close the years so that you can not be distracted or get earplugs the best way is to so draw your attention to surat so that you focus into the attention and then let the attention listen to the sound and the attention will listen and it will he we will hear it above the third eye area if we hear in the left ear the color forces of got you going and if you hear in the right ear or the center then you are listening to the positive sound and sometimes you have to take your finger out of left ear so you stop hearing it out that side so you can listen to the right side and those are physical things that will help but the best way is to draw that attention up so that you listen to that s and once you catch the sound if you can hear the bell sound you don't chase after it because your mind will scatter it and then you want to what you're listening to or if you can catch the sound of like a train going across a track a trestle has a rumbling sound this will let you know that you're doing ok but as you get above that area and you start hearing then you're above your fate karma and you see it for what it is from the very beginning of dispensation to the very end of it in that moment you find out that you're above it and it has no effect upon you even though you still may not have a leg or used in still might not have an arm your attitude then is clear and at that point x ound just keeps pulling you right up there are problems that can appear in listening to the sound current if you're doing it in a cross legged position in the cab of the leg in the thigh they'll just start really screaming at you and the attention will be aware of that and if you tension drops that you dropped out of practice on the cimarron the best thing to do is to crush your legs massage the calf get up walk around because you can just keep focusing back to that that's physical world also the back as the energy comes up out the spine is the spiritual energy is drawn up you'll feel the blocks in the spine will feel like oh to my neck or my shoulders or down to my hip and you want to move to release that my suggestion to you is don't pay any attention to that and often when it comes up past the heart there will be like a pressure that we could call pain that will appear in the heart area and often we think oh we have a heart attack now if you really feel concerned about having a heart attack go see your doctor  see if you really feel concerned about that spine go see your doctor and let them line it up for you tell you everything's ok because the blocks we're dealing with may not be what we would call physical manifestation blocks they are just energies that appear in those areas so often people go to a doctor in there say oh oh this thing in my my my heart in my throat my throat feels all pinched and congested and the doctor looks looks looks he says i can't find anything wrong with you you better go see the psychiatrist the psychiatrist goes in looks a looks he says i don't know maybe we better go into psychotherapy and then four years later you finally get past that because you stop focusing attention to it and as you lift up the teeth will ache with gums will hurt you think oh i better go see my dentist my teeth are falling out and you know you actually have dreams of teeth falling out and they'll come up on the nose and you'll find the signs were congestion and they go down and it's like soapsuds breaking in and sometimes i get really pressured and it's like if this is a manifestation physically of science problem go see your doctor don't write me a letter saying my sinus pressure spiritual or is it not go check with your do go check with them you think well our right through that's fine just because i don't say anything doesn't mean i agree with you that a spiritual i just won't say anything to you at all why that's part of the karma in these levels of getting our attention go check with the i doctored and see if you need glasses but i also tell people try the bates i exercises maybe you will find the solution there are a lot of people say i i didn't it's still there that bad it's like i don't know what your eyes hear on some people say well gee i can't read the type of job you have you don't read anyway i say oh ok so another is don't focus on to a problem area and make it something that you're not going to be using anyway they say well gee i can't look at the sun as much as i used to is like that's ok there's no problem just don't look at the sun look at the moon other words there isn't a practical most about all of this i like the people who write to me letters and they say you know they present all the questions they say well i'll assume if i don't hear from you that these are physical things for me to take care of and i just read on the end what file that's right but i hope you keep a copy of your letter so when i don't answer in six or seven months you will have gone and taken care of all of that because my letters that i get aren't getting less they're getting  because it will just get too asked out wearing glasses that'll be funny one i will just read it when you write it and then you can burn it you don't have to mail it and save thirteen cents and if it's important now write back to year and then you can get it that way and also when we come when we start coming up these energies pull from the body will get headaches and the headaches will appear in the cranium alongside and the which by the way makes for a double chin you should practice sitting up so you don't get it that's if you're concerned about it now some of you beauties you had to be concerned about that and the rest of us who are in god consciousness who cares like check that out to make sure that that's ok and there are a lot of people in the movement who you know have the ability and that expertise to check it out for you hopefully to your content but probably not i haven't found anybody who's gone to  doctors content to jeff it's like they want to go to one door and out the other and be well it's like that's go ahead do that that's fine but don't think the doctor's going to if you've made physical karma for years they're going to assist you comfort you talk to  get you going so hopefully on a right path for you and hopefully you'll have enough wit to follow it through you know people get into a spiritual movement like this and they don't want to take medicines like don't be dumb sometimes that's the way to offset that karma immediately and then when they get you know still a little one congestion end up with no more you're walking pneumonia they write to me it's like why didn't you take the antibiotic the doctor prescribed for you i mean what can i do now with this of effect you've got to eat it go now and do what the doctor said to do go and do that and that will help that and once you set that motion i'll see what i can do to increase the energy flow but you've got to go through those processes in this physical world because that's the karma no one's going to be exempt from and a lot of people that call upon certain gods names for extension of grace and they really feel great like i have the grace of this god in me it's like that's fine and they still have to go have the ingrown toenail fixed because that's the karma and there's the good feeling the good attitude is nice but if you're going to have that fixed you better go get it done because it's a physical world thing you understand what i'm trying to give you there's a practical ness it's practical spirituality check all of physical things first if you have some symptom of  disease always check all of them first and once that comes up to nothing then start looking to the next level to see what karmic really should dealing with but it's much easier much simpler for you to go check it out physically than to try to go into focus on a physical disturbance inside of you get the alignment release it when you should be in there meditating on the upper flow to god really don't waste your time trying to align the body shocker centers because they're going to keep going out unless those upper shocker centers and the spiritual bodies are aligned just going to be just going to keep wasting the time to go in there and play with the energy fields and it's play the only energy that will be worthwhile will be the energy that is god is the pure form these other energies are to assist there to help you but they're not by any means the end result when we are in these levels and we have the attention focused we lose contact with the physical body and the world it's in and for a while our mind scatters in doing the same ram the spiritual exercise and then to become disturbed about the mind scattering scatters more and then to be concerned about that makes you feel guilty then you got the guilt and there so if by chance you were to work out your fate karma if by chance you were and if by chance you were to work out your daily karma there's always the reserve karm so never feel lonely that you're not going to have karmic companionship it's like who will it be doesn't have to be anybody what will it be it doesn't have to be a what how manifest you'll know it when you get that never be anxious to take on the karma of the world nor anybody else in the world don't and you just keep walking the body through walking the body through now some point it will get tired because you're not focusing upon it the illness to keep it there and it will start draining out through the natural healing patterns of the body often once you learn how to self heal if you do it too fast that disease that karma will go right back out to those people that you took it from and they'll say well i was good for two days but it's back again so what we're looking for is that permanence of healing and often the one who takes that on them must keep for alone periods of time until the other person overcomes  where things will just keep cycling back through cycling back to you and love reversibility is what we have turned and we have to get over the cell levels reaching out for that like bring it back in again because we use that as a crutch to make our husband or wife or children get in line and so we will start pulling that back in again to create it so we can use it for someone so i say don't be anxious to alleviate somebodies karma but you can suggest methods and help them see what's going on so that they might be able to lift above this when we go inside we do hear voices and those voices come from two different locations one of the locations is what we call raymond or the merciful god and the other one we call the call or negative power and we say well how i know the difference if you nish it you just start chanting your t they ask for three things that what they refer to as the saints of the travelers could not do and this was granted to them and one of the things that was grand to them was that the travelers would do no no outward miracles or supernatural manifestations there have been a few that were given leave to do it because of a dispensation in time and when they did this is very hard to control the masses they would all rush towards them and it caused feelings of anarky and tribulation and so a lot of them were stoned to death and killed but those who are of the negative power aren't bound by that they can do manifestations of miracles and when you follow a negative power and you bow down to you get to return and that return is what we call reincarnation but the call power will come in between your mind in the soul and give you the impression that you're disconnected from the sound of god if you're nish it you know you have to worry about it don't be concerned if you disconnect or write your letter and tell y so in a sense the word no news is good news but that doesn't mean that you won't have that feeling of being disconnected and it will be very strong and you'll be almost sure and and you'll be changing your tone it will seem to work well doesn't work on those levels the call works in those levels it works in the soul levels so it's really important to keep in mind that if you're going to be involved in spiritual things that you find out what the positive is and be aware of what the negative is you don't necessarily have to find out what it is the faith actions the fake karma that we have this stored in the eight petal lotus so when we're meditating we have to get up above the pedal lotus in order to see what that karma is to disperse it and that takes an awful lot of meditating an awful lot but it is the cure for karma it's the cure it's a it's not just a temporary manifestation cure a permanent release from that area that binds the person but only when we have crossed the third mind area the level the third mind are we really karmically free and the third or the three levels of the mind are pretty easy we have the physical which deals with the physical forms in the senses and then we have what's known as the universal mind and this deals with the religions heavens and hells and then we have the cause of mind in this goes to the top of the brum mind and from there up well you're not even protected there you have to play the part brahm you have to get above that and at that point you have protection of the sound current of your own soul but part of that the soul is always in bondage to the mind in the emotions and the bondage is very good and most people that come into the movement  the seminars are getting right along in their spiritual evolution they're moving right up there and because of this they have many more karmic pacts that they've made with various people that will be together to we die or all never leave you approach or all gee i want this job or you know some prayer like that where we ask for physical things in the physical world if we get them it will delay our spiritual progression  people don't pray for physical things if anything pray for understanding of what it is that's not a physical thing it's spiritual when you come into the seminars there are three actions that most of the travelers abused since time began to increase a person's spiritual awareness one to be discoursing discourses that you can read in your spare time anothe one is set saying like this where the karma is released and pulled up through energy patterns another one is if those two don't work then the person has adversity placed upon them and that adversity is losing a job losing a husband losing a wife disease so they'll turn from that into god and of course the last one as if that didn't work then they just give you a rebirth again and you get enough of those you're bound to start listening to somebody and there's no sane enough is enough and somebody asked me once that and i said when it's enough and it's one of those things where you can't really describe it to a person it's one of those intangibles it's like cutting open a body and trying to find humor in there are depression is like well it's not located in quite in those particular levels we must be careful that the action we're dealing with is not the important thing but it's the motive in the action because we've usually spent many hours you know thinking about this and feeling about it and so we've built up a tremendous energy then we do that that action we do the action then has usually quite definite repercussions like quitting a job or getting a divorce or getting married or going to have a child that you know we spend a lot of time in that and it would be ever be amazing to me if you could keep track of the hour just spend haranguing yourself over things of the world if you could spend that much time in spiritual work you'd be off the planet because it'll come in and come in and come in and come in and even the moment of laughing you know the thing sits underneath you and you still feel it and then they get to be very difficult the thing to do is that we must remember that a person really can't been issued the sound current without payment of karmic debt now you may say well how does grace fit into this does first two years of the person's consciously in the movement and they start paying off an awful lot of karmic things an awful lot and the way we help run that is that the offset with that is ambition we keep their ambition up so that they they just keep right on going about the time they get to two years they're looking forward to and one of the things that i like people to be aware of is that the energy dreams in our body will drain out to the to last cavities which we call elimination reproductive organs this is our energy dr if we abuse the energy in those levels it's leakage we just starts leaking right out and it can leak out through emotionalizing things dealing with the lower shock or centers are fantasizing them and the leak is doesn't take much in order for it to dissipate the energy unless you really been involved in spiritual exercises and you really build up this reservoir of energy inside of you that energy is being built up so that you can use it to catapult out so just about the time you're ready to go out the body you go and release sexually and the energy just drains right out then it's like god and you know usually people start feeling depressed they start feeling irritated anxious like that wasn't yet it's like yeah most of the time it's our thoughts on the feelings you had towards  over pretty fast what happens those centers in you know after the here and now that you start realizing what you've been doing and that realization then you know brings about the punishment by your own sin which is your greed or your lust and then it starts beating you in the head until you forget about that because you start building up the energy again before you know it you go and trip the valve on the way you go again then you say what's happening to me and i start laughing it's like you're wasting your energy you're wasting your energy and believe me the easiest and fastest way to release is to masturbation and easiest in the faste then you really should be saving and containing that seed energy inside of you to pull up inside of you might say well yeah but it builds up so much inside me this energy that i just got to release i like sure we understand the frailties the shortcomings of the human form we understand that but disregarding that we still can't give into that and if you're married and you're still masturbating to get yourself pegged to a negative spot that really should be into the the other physical form and hopefully it will be recycled back to you to tender loving care and through emotional balancing and if it's not your in difficulty and doesn't matter how long you want to kill yourself it isn't going to take place well lot of people say well i can have sexual fulfillment so what's so big about sexual fulfillment it's nothing compared to spiritual fulfillment absolutely nothing when we enter into life we pray to god for some form of recognition that god is there god are you there but we have to shut up long enough to hear what god's going to say we might really and so we have to shut our mouth and shut the ears and go in and listen but if we've set up the chattering of our own mind in our own magination then that's what we start hearing and then we think that's what it is and we start taking that as divine guidance and it's  not becomes very difficult then to know what is right and what is wrong coming out of the inner part of you it's like well what do i follow well you know what lust is yes you want it does to you yes you like it no don't follow that it's like well that's practical it sure is it's practical but it's interesting that there are signs of god's mercy that are given to us on the planet and once we locate those signs we can actually have quite a joyful experience except for one thing that's still under the influence of the negative power and the illusion so after it's all done we say yeah but that apply to me and there's just the big you know million gets to be trial and tribulation but one of the signs of god's mercy is we become dissatisfied with the world the root routine and we start longing and seeking for truth and that the satisfaction is brings about the satisfaction with a wife or a husband and a job or a car or clothing or the food and the things you thought you could never do or that you become dissatisfied with them and you start asking yourself how does this bring me to god how does this bring me truth how does this set me free it's like getting new cars like will set me free i had to pay for that's right get yourself a new wife will be the same as a first try that have another child i got fifteen already that also one of the signs of god's mercy is they bring this person to the mystical traveler are brought in and another sign of that is that the mystical traveler gives the secret of initiation the sound and places a connection and at the time of that second is when the traveler opens up the inner mind of the aspirant and places the form of the traveler inside so that they can see it as a radiant form prior to that it comes in and out in and out as it's been worked in in terms of their worldly karma and then we come to the fourth stage of the sign of god's mercy and it's at this time of initiation we truly start our spiritual progression we truly start in it up to that time we've read books and we've played the games but we have not had the experience of transcendental consciousness we have not had that experience that the dreams are no longer dreams there are some point in that two year  period your life has gone from those dreams of former existence in the physical world and you start paying attention to the dreams and then you take initiation those dreams in the meantime have shifted from that i that reality transcends what you could possibly know out of your own mind in any type of dream state and prior to that the dreams are used to working karma loose and after that it's not used that way as much except if you sleep and your consciousness drops down into your throat and that point you just work up to your own karma in the dream state inside of you but once you maintain that awareness and you the barrier of sleep then you're consciously becoming a co creator it's a slow path in terms of a person's projected ambitions but it's  sure path that mean one hundred percent you don't do one hundred percent no it's not one hundred percent this it will if i do one hundred percent it's like it'll be one hundred percent and again you're a tremendous working part of this but you see a personal place a lot of demands against the inward one who can travel time and space and demand them into this world and this world belongs to the negative you want something in this world pray to the call power finish it you get it fast but that that point you may find out that all the things around you start crumbling and falling away and you wonder why it's like well if you're going to live in a get to vittie then you must be responsible for that and if you're going to live in the positive expression then you get to be responsible for that hey if you're going to be responsible if negative is crying a positive is laughing and you got to do it one way or another what would you choose well there should be a third choice which is neutral that the positive the negative are looked at equally as being the same thing and you actually when you start lifting up higher consciousness you stop having the emotions that you had before you find out that that emotional ecstasy and then that tremendous emotional despair aren't this way as they balance out this way and you go from one end to another in a horizontal sort of a perpendicular so people now it's interesting to me that in the presence of these four signs of god's mercy how you can feel dissatisfied or disgusted with us all you have to do is apply yourself we've heard that haven't we you must apply yourself and we think well i don't want to get up and dig a ditch well then apply yourself to get somebody else to dig the dish and if you can get them to do it for you and they feel good about that then everything is balanced go ahead and do that and if you can't and the ditch must be done then what is your choice was like well i don't have any choice now the choice is always there that we go on those who are functioning within the movement and their own spiritual in awareness are going to be guiding lights too many people on this planet but there's the guiding physical light you know really lot of sexual and i l and you cross that lot of people think that is the pearl the blue profile of existence and it's not still a lower level consciousness but it will consume consume itself in such a way that you will think  god because it will flame on you and that flaming action mostar to purification we must continue on and even though we have an experience with the traveler in the night time many people have this now while they're awake walking around it isn't like oh boy that was so good last night it's like ok what's going on now what's the now and if we're so busy feeling good the ecstasy of meeting with a traveler last night and what we call the dream state and we're so ecstatically caught up in that then a week goes by of us looking back into that and then another week goes by we look at the week we did nothing and then we start to feel very bad again and we start to feel down the slike but why did you keep looking back over a week or two weeks why didn't you say that was last night and use the energy to get up today and use today this is very simple process yesterday we can do nothing about that today is the day god has created yesterday is the day we're creating and next week is the time we're creating is the days god has created so then you have to ask yourself whose time are you going to live in god's time or some illusionary time and you know it's not like well i got this deal i got it is going to come due in three weeks it's like what happened to a lot of the deals that were supposed to come to all they felt like don't forget that but what did you do all that three weeks waiting for the deal i did nothing because i kept living in that it's like now you got three weeks of follow time you did nothing people say well i think i've got this job i take and i say when you think you get it they say three weeks ago after another tomorrow go out today and get another one get a job for three weeks to that comes in or get one for six weeks and forget about that when they say well but that's a good one it's like watch out your greed is going to the store you take what is present it's there it is god's mercy extended to you just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send email to a service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or write to that which is post office box five one 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