authorities but first of all talk to you a bit about your past who you are is i understand it you're a veteran you've been twice overseas you're a marine tell me a little bit about that how did you wind up being a marine and what  tours did you serve and what did you do oh very specifically i got out of high school in two thousand and four and i worked for a year and then looked at what was going on around the world and saw how you know my brothers and sisters were volunteered to go overseas and i love my country quite a bit so i figured that i had voice in it and very specifically as actually  i always knew that if i joined join the service or be the marine corps and why is that to be quite honest with you is a commercial that got me when i was a kid the one where the guy is jumping through up through spending like  country well i was the combat engineer which is thirteen seventy one in the marine corps very specifically we're actually i was actually connect to a line company charlie company for c b which is our ship is a little bit you're a decorated marine what does desperation i mean you probably have to look real specifically at the medals that i have but basically basically basically just that you have you know different different medals or ribbons that signified things that you know ok so you serve your honor really discharged correct you come back to america out of the service last year two thousand and eleven so you turned to america in two thousand eleven very simply december two thousand and eleven then you live in the richmond area and you set up some businesses yes you're a local businessman but the thing that kind of precipitate all this is you're very vocal about some problems in the states you got on facebook and your website and you wrote about articles i've read by the way maybe to address this and a lot of americans i see today are going to the mall they're shopping they seem oblivious there might be some problems with our government in this country but you see problems basically what problems you see with our country well you know like anybody else well you know each american is different obviously but originally i never imagined that there would be problems to the degree that we have or or things going on that that are easy easy to find if you're told to go look for  write his own laws and that's what he's doing that's their only what's going on this nation in fact george bush issued more probably than any president obama barack obama is following suit absolutely what really concerned me was the length of time that  specifically that we've had executive orders on record that have that will allow the federal government to seize private property sure industry even even language demain denoting labor camps and that's real language and real executive orders i think that the average american would sit down and be told paid do you know that the federal government is saying that they have the power to take your property to to  game where you you have different factions and they play each other to try and take over the world and that's kind of what it was it's a game yeah and you were quoting swollen members which is one of them was one of the lurch was your and what i actually meant was that it's you know with what we call a metaphor yes a metaphor exactly the truth is very powerful and it has the ability to cut and the truth is not always it's not always nice  yeah they were actually stacked all up and down the road which which is kind of industry and interesting to me that if they felt the need to conceal themselves if i was bold enough to say the things that i did on facebook i obviously wouldn't have a problem talking to police and so they talk he what were they when they as if they wanted me to volunteer information which i was i was happy i was happy to do i actually spoke with them for several minutes in the content of your conversation was your facebook post then they mention it yes so you did you tr to explain to them what you were doing your this expression your viewpoint they didn't they didn't they they seem concerned and but they weren't very specific so i had i felt like i had to drop out of them have you and you went into detail your statements at what point did they move forward to arrest you put handcuffs on did you step outside they asked you to step outside very specifically a secret service agent asked me to step outside and talk to them and out of my own free will i went into the street and spoke to them in that point what happened when he was very specifically the the there was one secret service gentleman leading the leading what was going on and we spoke for about ten minutes and ten fifteen minutes outside and he basically started talking about various things were going on in the government i mentioned the bil berg group and their vile violation of politicians in this country meeting with them specifically the logan act and i gave him that they actually were interested in the things that i had to say and at one point specifically ten to fifteen minutes in the conversation the cops around me and started trying to that surprise you at that point it did absolutely that in it was almost as with they had come from that purpose and begin did they say sir to the we went to the front door and with the anticipation of going in to get some clothes and once we got there they said no you're not getting any i actually volunteered while i was in handcuffs at this point i actually volunteered to to go in and i decided they didn't like me to his body shows you going down to the point where you push down you fall down what happened i realized that they weren't they were going to read me my rights and i want to arrest him and so i basically decided just to make it more difficult for them to take me and i dropped my body to a hospital where you're put in a what's called a psych ward ok and there was a hearing in the judge ruled the monday august twenty third i believe that you should through another thirty days you removed to a facility in salem virginia three and a half hours away from your family your lawyers from us and you were there in an easy what did you think in your mind here you're a patriot you fought for your country you have outspoken views which are first amendment guarantees by the way you know loud halford it's your duty to speak for if you're concerned about your country in the future of it you wind up in a psychological war where you have asking you questions and one of you told me was do you hear voices like that you had one psychologist as you said a psychiatrist who said that he was going to brainwash you remember you call the on the phone about that and you were very concerned without being read his rights i think should be very extremely alarming to all americans you know as we found out in this case there are twenty thousand of these civil commissioned virginia alone hundreds of thousands across the united states where people are being picked up in your own county i was told by a reporter just in the month of august and it had been completed yet the mother had run its course there were twenty people had disappeared in your own kelly life and i heard that as well that's scary it's frightening well i can give you a perfect perfect example that that's true if you read nineteen eighty four george orwell and in that society there was something called the ministry of truth bill clinton but very recently went on record and said that he believe there should be a ministry of truth in this country to monitor the content of the internet's oh yellow of the president of states george bush they all believe that they want to control the internet so obviously people like you or people like me who write all  become targets so you became a target now this is to go back again it's almost like this is the government you serve overseas you become a target of that government oh it's a government that i love and you want to see good thing you want freedom oh absolutely and that's why you got on there that spoke soon they're going to be looking through our walls and listening to our conversations we end you don't advocate violence none of us does but what in your opinion should average americans be doing right now in terms of preserving their freedoms today emulate you get on the internet speak out what we used to do i mean the first logical step is to educate yourself and at this point in the game if you're not it's probably very dangerous to educate yourself and i want you to get yourself where you should what should you do i would say pursue all all peaceful methods of disseminate information and and and keeping you're keeping your rights and it take the systems that are in place that are still available to us congress the senate obviously our school systems take the things that are in front of us that we have control over still thank you for your  a farm let me tell you know the lord has an interesting way of working in our water so you know every every speaker that i've listened to today are there going yeah yeah that's right that's right that's all it all fun right everybody is saying different aspects of the same truth and how nice that we're all speaking the truth because as far as i'm concerned i am sick of being lied to i am so  as a as my life went along i went through college and and spent six years in college i studied two years of engineering figured out that the math was way harder than i was ever  keep up with and i wanted to be an aerospace engineer so it was there was there with a sad defeat for me but then i went well i'm an animal lover i've got to go to wildlife biology you know and so i was in there for two years studying wildlife biologist and then i went and talked to a good group of biologists and they started telling me ok well this is what you're going to do once you get out of college i find out holy cow i'm to be working for minimum wage out in the middle of nowhere in alaska hundred for six months at a time and i thought for a he's an animals at home and he was going to take care of them you know so i had to cut that dream there college for two years studying that were my primary focus being on the holocaust and eugenics because my dad was history teacher and you know teaching me history the whole time i was growing up and i was particularly disturbed by the holocaust and so all my twenty and thirty page reports on eugenics and the holocaust you know really really added up to a complete picture of what had happened  and you know i remember there was one picture in particular that was really disturbing to me and and i ran across it even after all that research i ran across it after i had my son and he happened to be about the same was this lady in this picture who is standing naked with a whole bunch of other women who are standing there naked holding their children up well and and then the one picture there standing there and in the next picture there of shocked and i went you know how to how does a person get to that point how does a person get to that point and was it you don't i sort of think and you know for that lady holding that little boy she would have had to resist five years before then you know one hundred fifty thousand minor steps before that point if she had wanted to prevent that from happening right and i went you know take that to heart because prevention and adamant prevention can prevent you know this whole graphic scenario from ever happening again and just like they always say you learn your history so that the bad part don't come up and you don't repeat it and so i really took that particular photograph to heart i went you know if i ever see anything like that happening i'm going to dig you know that's all there is to it i just it just gets me i've got a son i think that was like really hit home and and i think that was god's way of saying you know it is start to start looking you know and so then so i go through the two years of soci have all the time and it actually got me nowhere so anyway so there are finally on a on a farm i had you know been working with horses or since i was a little kid and and so it was my dream to pursue this and and my my horse breeding and all the research i've done on horse bloodlines i finally had it all pulled together in one place and it was the farm isn't the best farm but it took a lot of work and it's you know it's coming to us coming around and  really really put our effort into it well so there i am just happy as a clam and all of a sudden this mace thing pops up the national animal identification system and i saw that on a flyer in the feed store in two thousand and six in february two thousand and six and i just went oh god showed me you watch out for that stuff you pay attention because the second you see start creeping up you don't want to end up at that pits and they waiting to be shot and that's you know that's really that's really could ing the cart before the horse or you may think but it's not retrospect you know if you're looking back from the event to where they could have started you know that kind of puts it into into a better perspective so i went yep here it is and i told god in my and it is very it's a very fascinating how the lord works she you know i ring it's like well talk about bring all these components together and and it all fits together because in all my research studies i mean i hope it was unfolding i don't believe this i hope because this is uncanny you know and so so anyway i instantly basically dropped what i was doing my whole love of the whole breeding program that i'd worked so hard my whole life to you know finally get to the culmination point i was suddenly threatened i went this is a fascist system this is exactly what stalin tried to do in russia this is you know there as i  researching there they are following the exact blueprint that stalin had to industrialize the food supply and and so boy did i again i mean you know for me to drop my horse focus and put my full attention eight to ten hours a day researching or stop animal i did not work you know it was was astounding who can pull me away from horses well that and the fact that i have a son and a husband and these things that i care about if i don't stop what i'm doing and start action right now this very second i could end up that way and so and so so after seven hundred twenty two documents and articles that i posted for this this website and about two years later by then we have introduced bills into the legislature that were anti  interesting about that is that all of the key players in the holocaust are here again you know and so that's another another coordinating information and knowledge because like in the holocaust it was i b m that came up with the hollerith cards to register the people and it was i b m that came up with the idea of tattooing people's arms it's i b m today that is the sister company a very chip th microchip producer ok so that is some other information that when you pull it together in the out of that you go ok you know you can't refute what you're saying you can't ignore the truth it's time to you know no matter how scary it is it's time to look at it it embrace and you know you talk to god you say you're going to have to help us and so you just i'm sorry it's kind of an emotional  chokes me up a lot but so anyway and i'm going through studying all this and i'm giving public presentations on this organizing protests and rallies and and we're trying to pass bills and and we can't get anybody in the legislature to give us the time of day i mean you know there's one time when when we drove over in the middle of winter with a twenty five car pileup on the exit to just twelve hours each way and we get there and as our bill is being read in the legislature all of them get up and leave from lunch there was two that sat there and listened and that was an eye opener to me i mean you kidding there's there's probably a good twenty five west in the middle move week it was on a wednesday we had to leave work our farms everything we are going to leave the night before and drive that long through that treacherous of the condition and they got up and l and so that was the first year the second year they did just about the same thing and so you know this with the idea of it being you know the whole thing with the agenda being either party system one favorite one will not it's not it's not a party system at all it is it is a whole it's a whole invasion basically and and they're using the parties that are willing to go along  and i'm a i'm a republican you know in two thousand and ten i went to the county commissioner because through all my research with the national animal identification system it led me to the u n and then i kept researching and and then i almost put my whole focus on researching the united nations and and so as i'm as i'm researching this and posting this on the website got shut down and completely erased the race all of the information all the other researchers information and somebody in a stony i had bought it and wiped it all out and to this day you can still get on there but there is no information they left that they're kind of like this is what we're going to do if you start posting this too soon because you know they wanted to get a good leg up before everybody was aware of what was going on so when i work we're going along and and i'm finding this form a system and and and about two thousand and seven when this started happening then i then i started giving presentations on on the united nations and in two thousand and nine there comes i said no i don't think i'm going to be doing that i'm not going to be doing anything like that without a court order and he goes he laughed on the phone he says he says oh that's not the way we work and i said what do you mean that's not the way you work what exactly do you do although we'll just fine you and i said really how much he says will find you ten thousand dollars per day until you comply and if it happens to where you don't comply long enough that the find exceeds the value of your property we'll just assume your whole farm and have the sheriff come in and legally remove you and i went on that i actually no no we don't cut off and i said well you might as well you might as well because that is what you're specially doing and and i said he goes he goes  well you you know your horses are destroying right her hands and i said i said my horses are not destroying like her hands on for one the creek is dry for at least a quarter of a mile on our property for all the spawning season i said so if you could tell me what th a creek the more of a drainage and and so as it happened this is extremely stressful on somebody who worked their whole lives to develop a perfect as far as i can see it's not perfect you know but a very as i said well you can't just take our property he goes oh no no you said take we're not going to take it we'll we'll pay you for it and so he figured out how much and he figured out how very best of irrigated grazing ground that you can find it looks like a park it's gorgeous out there big trees lush green everywhere and i just laughed i said you know what if i could find ten acres of prime great using grassland like this for seventy eight bucks a year i would have bought one hundred of them yesterday it's just you know this whole idea of compensation and their idea of compensation  so we basically just kind of dug in and said no no we don't you know we're going to stand here are prostitution all rights and whether people think the constitution's dead or not unless somebody comes right up to me like you know elected officials and signed a document saying we're sorry the constitution is no longer in effect i'm going to stand there and i'm going to hold to it and you can push me around you can try we're going to stand there we're going to stand up we're going to we're going to call on god we're going to say i don't think so not on my watch  hire hordes of returns to constantly hound us i knew people that had already been hounded by the d o a for ten solid years and made to pay fines of over seventy five thousand dollars and who cast seventy five hours dollars commissioner and i'm going to just put the biggest spotlight on what they're doing i'm not going to let them just you know sit here and work behind the shadows and in the dark while they're running us into the ground we're paying their wages and they're running us into the ground and so i did we went out there and we got loud and we got public and and we just barked and barked and barked and and we brought a lot of attention to what they were doing what was going on and and finally as you know the way things were when when you are interested in being an agent for god you know standing up and having courage is something that god respect and appreciate it worked out for us it worked out for us because in one of the channels that evening one of the one of our representatives she comes up and she says you know  try to come out and see your place is not ok and i said fine or come on out and she got out there and it was representative shelley short to fill in the legislature and she got up there and and she just laugh and she said well so something about a bacteria i'm going to read about for years on this one and she she sat there with the regional director of the department of ecology and the agent that had been harassing us and and she basically after an hour she said ok well here's the bottom line if you ever go after their property again it's not going to be without me being there at the same time and they went ok all right we will back off they backed off i mean it doesn't happen that does not happen dealing with a deal really is like dealing with a great white you don't get out there because you know if they get you to bleed then they're going to frenzy and that's exactly what they're like they're like dealing with with a frenzy that tacking shark because they're vicious they have no value related to human life whatsoever it's the deer it's the wildlife everything comes before us humans as far as are concerned so they could care less also what you know and so that one saying was kind of god's way of showing yes you stood up and i help you any good you get like that is a gift from god and there's no doubt about it because you don't get rid of the u a e nobody i ever knew has ever gotten rid of  it's a very very important message that you understand that if you're if you want to be a working against the evil that's going on and if you want to be helping god is as a christian working in good things you know and trying to better people's lives and and stand up against what's wrong he's going to help you and that's that's our question what about actual facts you know and and so i didn't win as a county commissioner the guy that was the president of the cattlemen's association he beat me and that was flying because i didn't win the race but we won our farm but you said you know i mean we didn't we didn't win the election but we're still here today we're still on the farm and we did something that nobody else i've ever heard of has been able to deal with god's help and so so it's interesting how those kind of things work and you know in my research as it's going along and i'm pulling different facts together here and there the whole group of us just building up we're getting grayer you know we're we're taking more actions and and in two thousand and nine i attended a city council hearing on the implementation of sustainable development they were going to and and we're saying you know you guys can't adopt this this is the united nations plan this is foreign you know as if you're going to be answering to the u n you're no longer answering to the people you can't have two masters here  and they have just huge high powered group of people working in coordination with a sustainable effort these high powered environmental attorneys and professors of biology and p officials everybody was there and you get up there and you say this stuff and and they turn around and say these people are conspiracy theorists they're wackos you know everything they're saying is not true and as my life had it i had all my stacks of paper work there with me and and i had quotes from the journal to be on the book like from from the mayor saying you know are we are here to bring sustainable development back to the united states and i gave each and every one of them a copy of all of that along with you know with of websites right on the un website themselves so that they could verify and they could check it out and and i was the last speaker before the man got up and good thing because i was able to talk there turn around to all those people and look right at those environmental attorneys and say you things to every council member up there she had to admit that yes it was a farm program and as all of us cheered they had to eat crow that this is their eat crow because you know right and and so we i don't know i i thought that we were victorious without point i was you know we stood up we all we all basically made the stand we you know we did the good thing and  after it was over one of those city council members comes up to me she says she says renee you know we were told that whether we passed this or not they were going to implement it regardless and i said holy cow how is that legal and she says you know it's i don't even know it's just that's what we were told and and sure enough they pass it and they passed that anyway and and and so it was kind of it was kind of i'm expecting we got to at least prove all the high powered attorneys wrong and and what not but then again we still lost and it wasn't really didn't really strike me as being that bad until about two weeks later i found out that at that very same time five hundred cities total around the whole united states had adopted a i don't thing it's like an spokane was the only city that even protested it across the whole united states and i went oh my god that's like who you know you get a foreign governments to spread across five hundred cities in a nation all in the same little season that's pretty much true and so you know when you when you start to look at the fact that yes this is the united nations and yes it is foreign and everything that they have a stablished so far in our nation is considered infrastructure you know why would they why would they refer to that as infrastructure and less say we're conquering us because what did we call it when we went to iraq we went over there first thing we did was established infrastructure then we and so here they are they're establishing all their processes of government just right alongside ours and all of their lives are based on communism and fascism and so so i look at it and i go yeah so this whole deal of sustainable development is you know they've got the stupid flowery descriptions or three hundred forty two different definitions of sample development you know it's a good life when they have to have that many definitions you know basically i would tell everybody if you want to know a sustainable development is forget all of it forget all other flowery or the nation and just remember what tony blair previous british prime minister said he got up and said there's capitalism there's communism and other sustainable development and so i went oh right that's a form of government you know that's governance it's it's it's an ism without ism so people are able to understand exactly what it is and so you've got this eco governance going on with all of these all the different aspects of communism as well as fascism happening and and so that's kind of where we have to look at it we are we are guaranteed in the constitution a republican form of government but regulation is considered fascism regulation on private property is considered fascism and so just the very fact that we can be regulated on our own property is against the constitution right there and you know when you start talking to people about well this is fascism and stuff that kind of shrink back especially when you're talking to elected officials because they don't understand and they don't understand the things that they're involved in the things they're doing are actually parts of this you know this this national muscle and and they kind of they shrink back because they don't know history well enough to understand what they're even looking at and and  so you know it's it's interesting that this book came about as it did because after i ran for county commissioner we had a newspaper over there whose owner said to me in the in the in the race and and afterwards then she said well can you you know can you start writing articles and submit him to the paper each week so we can educate people on this whole subject and i said you bet and so so i did that for the past you know almost two years and and then decided to write the book but  as it as i was writing i figured well i need to aim this book at the elected officials regardless of party and head it's going to have to be a quick and easy read that people can use for a quick reference it's got all the you know some real gripping quotes hark back it's got all the web sites listed everything that a person needs to know and be able to read through real quickly and get a good understanding of what's going on as that's exactly what has happened is it's such an easy read when we write and a whole afternoon stuff perfect because i could have written ten or twelve bucks i mean i do as much as you do six solid years worth of research around the nation right now people are ordering them involved and and just file giving them to you know and saying you know you need to look at this bend and understand it and while it explains the whole issue the whole last chapter is devoted to actions there remedy the situation so it's not just whining and complaining it's actually a description of the problem as well as solutions solutions that are already working in different areas through cities counties and states and it includes alabama's latest below i don't know if all of you are familiar with alabama's bill for seventy seven if you're not it it was passed just this year in may and so far that piece of legislation is probably the most gripping affective piece of legislation in the nation against agenda twenty one right now where they are demanding that all  agencies go through due process in regards to any property rights issue at all where the agencies are just weathering around through the through the dark and coming up underneath you know in the shadows and they're able to do this regulatory taking like they were going to try to do to us like they've done to lots of farmers over on on our side already and so if we've got something with some teeth to force them to due process you know because that was essentially what i was trying to do with the agent on the phone was force them into due process saying i'm not going to do this without a court order and him just laughing in the face of us not the way we were and so if we can come back with due process and say oh yes it is that's exactly the way it works because we were just able to follow alabama we just passed right here washington state and so there's there's all the information in the last chapter for the alabama bill and we're over on the very last table if you're interested in picking up a copy and i've also got copies of that alabama bill attached to a letter to your reps and senators with a letter of introduction explaining how why and if you would like to lose i would really kind of like to see pledges of you know bravery courage to stand up let's take the actions that we can take you know we're not i'm not calling you to arms i'm and you to a bill texas where we can all work together and we're some of the most active knowledgeable people in the state right now and we're the ones that are going to to have make the next step and so if you would pick up a copy of that bill and essentially promise yourself that you'll either e mail it to your reps and your senators or you will actually take it into them take it into their office and discuss it with a copy of the book too so they can read about it and i'm pushing for getting a copy of the alabama bill in the winter session of two thousand thirteen and  end if we have to process it might sound insignificant but it's going to put a box on a lot of their plans and let me tell you right now because it's if you can hold that in front of their face and say you have no rights you take this to court you get a jury to prove it and if you can get a full conviction in a court with a jury then you can come back in and start talking about this but let me tell you there  is as many people as have lost their land already and just turned over like a cowardly dog it just kind of makes their you know it's unfortunate because they don't even understand what their rights are they just think all that big and scary intimidated and they just turn right over and there is one there's one guy that stood up over on that area in my area that he had about thirty five hundred acres more just prime grazing land it's also very good gorgeous and he read he ran about twenty five hundred head of cattle on it and when you drive by this looks like a golf course i mean it's gorgeous out there they've got plenty of room for error all this well the d o d came to him also and they said they started pulling the garbage if you're going to have to fence it all off back to i think this is a coffee effect by the way and  along the call the river and you're putting water towers are polluting the water and he said ok well you're going to take some water test so mine and so every time they went to take water tests where the part where the water went into th property and where it went out of his property he was right there and not only because he just take the water test he stayed with a sample he took of himself he went with the b o e to the water testers he stayed with the sample tell it was tested and got it back in his hand so that there was no sneaky sleight of hand garbage going on like happens all walked and so since you stayed with his samples and he continued to do that through the full year at the end of the year you're not going to guess what happened we those tests all came back showing that water was three hundred percent cleaner when it left his property than when it it and you know why because upstream from him is property that they took over and turned back into like a wetland a marsh he wetlands of us it was manmade and got all these little manmade islands and and what happens in that situation is you get an anaerobic situation where where it you know you can't kill the bacteria of the grass grow so tall that it's just mosquito infested it's nasty and  so what's what's funny is is that they don't understand that the cow has just taken the name of buffalo i mean they've essentially got the same shape and size  know you're making everything up you're killing the fish there was none of that going on it it don't work they didn't wipe out the fish they didn't they didn't destroy everything and in essence they were making everything better because they're able to you know and so here we've got the same thing happening to this and wildlife biology and each animal has a niche you can replace one animal from that niche with another animal the thing that basically will occupy the so as it works the cattlemen turn out to be doing us a service not a disservice they're keeping the water cleaner but wow wow is that the department of ecology mad about that you know