well a few months ago it made big news across the world here was the headline the ultimate goal of the n s a is coastal population control that's william edward binney he's the former technical leader for intelligence with the n s a at the very top of it before becoming a whistleblower in late two thousand and one after more than thirty years of the agency benny has been described as one of the best analysts and  bennett continues to speak out about the n s a s data collection policies and continues interviews in the media and again it's shot amazing that he show high level and has the courage to speak out to fight or attempts to silence some expose facts dot org has some of his information there i wanted to get him on the last few weeks we're able to get him today because of headlines like this you know didn't there's a holy s word smoking gun revelation coming whistleblowers has government believes has information that would be the death of them all politically well then please release it because we're got a bunch of a totalitarian is running thanks and he told wired magazine that director u s intelligence veterans write open letter to merkel to avoid all out ukraine war now the former ambassador to russia has gone public saying the west is starting the war and  destabilize ukraine that's just the truth showing it william benny's breakdown on that also in talk to him about parallel construction where other agencies like the da are using n s a data totally illegally and then creating fake court cases to the courts don't know where they got the data this is just beyond nineteen eighty four show that's some of what we'll talk about the next hour coming up at the bottom of the hour we've got your questions that you're tweet your questions to william benny we'll also take a few phone calls specific questions for him eight hundred two five nine ninety two thirty one eight hundred two five nine ninety two thirty one specific questions for william benny mr benny you heard me throw out that that grouping of questions would you like to answer one of those first or what do you think is most important is currently happening right now well i mean what if they all the data and it stays collecting and being used by the police force is this really the most  threatening situation to our constitutional republic since the civil war to me that's the most important thing because it affects everything we do with it in broken everything that everybody in the country is doing so i mean that's that's contrary to the founding documents of this nation well you're absolutely right at last here we were given shaker documents from homeland security sources in seattle they were putting up their own cell towers letting the local police even have access to grabbing everyone's data now as she had lines and c b s news you name it going no one knows what the mystery shell towers are but it's not the government because it's illegal to do that i mean we know what's going on can you speak to that oh i think that's that's part of it is gathering information on movement and eventually i mean that's how you can track people moving around by acting is basically putting up both towers and getting everybody tipping off your tower that way you know they're in the area and you can monitor who they are and match them over time by the by  them and track everybody individually and all you have to do is point to them say where you've been for the last month or two and you can see what you've been doing that's right it's so good to talk to somebody that knows all of this and knows more than i even know because i mean i look at what's open source public every day a decade ago the british put the shop in london as a beta test as you know they also did it marlin they tracked everybody in real time for years it's totally illegal now they're building this grid at billions of dollars of expansion for their own internal communication system as well cameras microphones live time tracking of the shell phones and then when the public says what are these they go gee we don't know right  you believe that i have a bridge to tell you exactly that phrase wow tell folks what parallel construction is and why did you i mean obviously you can talk about a lot of this but why did you leave the n s a when you were one of the top people one of the directors of it in october of two thousand and one because they started spying on everybody and his family information on everyone in the united states and it went first with phone numbers and then when i went into the internet later on and very shortly thereafter so it was very clear to me that they were there pulling the even though their people are not necessarily using their family and making possible all this information and making it available to all the all the police they placing agencies of the federal government that they in turn make it local to the local access to the local and and parallel construction is the use of is how the police forces federal state and local use the n s a collected information which is which fundamentally is not acquired with a warrant and so therefore it is parallel construction by using what you would consider normal policing techniques and like requesting things with warrants and things like that and you get double that data and then use that data to substitute the n s a data that was the originally used to arrest them and you substitute the parallel constructed data in the court from going to which i've called perjury there they're lying to the courts and there's diverting our entire judicial process and that's what happens when you allow this kind of assembly of information that's so much power it's like j edgar hoover on super steroids so i you know this is the this is not compatible with any any form of democracy at all and whether it's republican or democrat obama they all end up using the i r s you name it to persecute political enemies imagine what hitler would have done was systems like this these systems historically always end up getting abused if you're just joining us the former  any of us even of something classified to not talk about it i mean what was it like to be in there i mean they come in and say ok we're going to flip on all the switches and spawn everything now and focus on us citizens and politicians i mean can you tell us  was there a moment or was it a process when you're there heading up you know the n s a and who comes in to you as the director of national intelligence who was it was the president ok we're now going to totally break the law and spawn everyone and then you say i'm out of here how did that happen actually i was not supposed to know about this program at all because i was i was told that i was going to leave in the early two thousand and so i was not supposed to know about what they were doing but the problem with that was that they had to use the programs that we had developed there under that i had helped the form with in this thing an automation research center which was my laboratory at the time so they had to use those programs which meant they had to use the computer programmers that developed it for me to install it in another place and then get it up and running because they were the only ones who knew how to make the code set and make it running and get data flowing in and working so when they when they did that they i mean they did they kept it all very secret even studied n s a in the reasonable course was because it was an impeachable act i mean after all the spying on the u george bush is off the table because she had agreed to these programs from the beginning so they've been keeping it very secret even in congress they didn't want any opposition because when when that basically was the total information awareness program that was started in two thousand and one admiral poindexter and if you remember admiral poindexter came out and thing was two thousand and three advocating a t m program total information awareness program and that's when everybody came down on it and terminated that's why congress the reaction when they saw their reaction they continued to see that they were from their perspective they were making the right decision by keeping it secret and just like their secret agreement to their secret interpretation of section two fifteen the patriot act the congress and yet they're still they're still doing that and and they're not spelling out they're afraid to spell out to the american people exactly what they're doing and what they what their interpretation is the law that allows them to do it they simply are has to mean that if was a major as i was on air at the time when one point dexter wrote the op ed for the new york times called total information awareness he shed your credit card what you eat where you go everything you do when you go to school  everything will be tracked in line of time or the terrorists will kill you people went whoa this is nine hundred eighty four and you want private companies around this no way so there was a backlash or they tried to openly sh that when when it blew up in their face you know as you said it does they just went forward with it but the biggest thing for me here is it's come out in england you know that they've got the same system and they use it against the parliament  bureaucracy does i mean this is being used this is not to stop al qaeda or isis this is pointed directly to american people and now we've gone from being she crit to it being public and then nothing's being done i mean what do you see this going through this is a very sad state of affairs this is not the america i grew up in i don't you know i would i could never understand why people would tolerate this kind of stuff i did have again if these bozos keep reinforcing but by passing the same laws over and over again that we the people should nations of this country well i remember listeners sent me the link to thomas dot gov in one nine hundred ninety eight and said look at this he was an engineer engineers would feed me and i mean i had engineers that told me they had big hubs and all the telecoms listing everything they would bring me diagrams i had no idea what it meant to stick it to shredder machines as i am i'm no engineer but i've been exposing this since day one having having other whistleblowers on but i remember you know shooting this information and finding it so hard to believe but reporting on it and now it's just out in the open and i remember being sent documents that they had done a grant for austin to put up a thousand plus hidden microphones to listen to people and they even had an algorithm program running locally that the feds had paid for that was n s a technology that you and others developed i'm sure that was key word and it was all there in the federal grant just admission of microphones key logging or nor word logging whatever you call it and i went on air and covered it and people couldn't believe it then a week later the local paper ran a big story white washing it going no it's gunshot detector microphones but the grant said it was microphones to listen to people and then now this year they announced nationwide they're putting microphones in hidden in  creech cultures and it's in the chicago tribune but they don't call it microphones they go the is the is the data clusters pick up wireless environmental hazards and listen to audio for signs of trouble so so you like a cell phone or any kind of transaction you use with any kind of document like your credit card transactions and all all those kinds of things are all i'm told and all becomes the profile basically of you and by the way they keep saying well we don't build profiles of people you know they don't software does that well i mean once you put the data in that they build a relationship and that in fact is the profile so any time they want to look at you all they have to do is point is you know they give me his profile and they get it so it's not a matter of them not having as they have the profile on everybody and it's not done by people that's another word game they play it play all kinds of word games with people you know it's like we don't consider anything collected unless the person looks at it well that that's stop them from collecting everything about everybody in the country and they're that's what they're doing and they're doing it through a program called fairview which is the main input program they have if you go on the web and do a room of cable companies of a t n t you name it with all the data passing through it just outrageous and then bush walking around on t v in two thousand and six change oh we don't listen to anybody in america and playing the word game that the computers do when they can go open your profile up and see the whole menu of everything you do lay it out what movies you see what books you read what all your emails google admits they open your emails and read it what do you make of amazon and google and microsoft and apple and all of their admissions that they are data mining and using and shelling the data i  i don't think they should be allowed or permitted to do that either i totally agree with you and expanding on that what do you make of kate upton and all the stars which scheck's naked photos that they thought it was safe to stand s videos around or naked photos on an apple cloud what do you make of this whole cloud revolution oh it's just back system or it's just another means of accessing more data about individuals i mean anybody put this information out there should as decade they've been or more creating fake cases with data they stole and then they lie and perjure to the court i mean today that sounds like most these convictions should be overturned you know that and that's that's right i mean and a warrant and they the solicitor general lied to the court saying that anybody if they where this data was used against them either in a quarter or wherever that they would be told and i was simply a lie and so now they're trying to scramble to figure out what to do about that all the past thousands of cases that they've done in this way i think they're going to write those off and say well that's just collateral damage you know well that shouldn't be i mean that's a violation of the constitution the foundation of this of this country if our government wants to do that they  to violate our constitution or change it there's a process to do that and they should follow that process create an amendment get it passed congress senate around the state ratify i mean that's the procedure we're supposed to do but our government is taking a totally different very very ugly path to tell a tarion revolution is really what it is william edward benny is our guest i want to come back and ask him about that famous statement of clapper the director of intelligence to congress saying we don't spawn americans we don't collect the sun didn't come up i mean it it's just they're bad guys and that's what they are they're villains it's not being done to protect us or expose facts dot org william binney and i ninety nine a fiction as a libertarian promoting liberty i was had police chiefs contacting me in major cities urgency managers engineers who were aware of all this stuff going into place behind the scenes and i would go on air and talk about it so i would get sent more data then i got sent again and that's the reason i realized how much trouble we were in before a lot of other folks was because a lot of people out there in the system who knew more than i did were measurably using me as a conduit to get stuff out of the public cha can't take credit for being all my ears ahead of everybody else but now we don't have an excuse this stuff is out in the open thanks to heroes like william edward benning who could make a lot of money working for the private contractors and the big companies that are making tens of billions of dollars a year milking this eight hundred thousand people the washington post reported last year eight hundred forty something thousand have access to all the spy data and i'm no engineer but i am a geo political researcher it just sounds like insider trading people harassing friends and family it sounds like a way to corner markets it sounds like a way for real terrorists or criminals to know of the good guys are after him it just sounds like a devil's workshop on steroids with a helping of p c p to have eight hundred thousand contractors plant stuff under sneak and peek in the patriot act on computers i mean it's just a pandora's box of making us in the secure and destroying our free market again i'm not some two hundred i q ship or brain like william many who headed up there you know a major technical department and a director of technical intelligence i mean that's the actual use a starship trooper analogy brain bug ok but but just at my gut level super steroids they have they have the knowledge and background of virtually everybody in the country and that gives them the basis for blackmail and influence peddling that's the way they can get things done no less reach against individuals and make sure that like for want to defend themselves otherwise they all fall that's how julius caesar took over room as i mean this has been a dot tour is this not an orchestrated diabolical plan then it sure seems that way  base much more powerful so that that just means that there are there are assembling all that blackmail information for leverage tosh and probably my mom doesn't having eight hundred thousand contractors just contractors can do this that i mean if i wanted to bring down a government or a country i would let eight hundred thousand people have access to this panopticon type system because it would then leak everywhere and then the country would be in secure i mean this sounds like the opposite of what i would want to do if i wanted to have a secure safe country that's exactly correct i mean i checked into this in the late ninety's when they first started doing this outsourcing t contractors i i was objecting to it than because i didn't think it was a smart idea to do that just on the principle of exporting you know giving away your trade secrets to to other companies and that's fundamentally what it is that you're giving away the train think how do you choire data how you look at data that kind of thing and that's exposed all these contract and imagine how easy it is for foreign stage and foreign corporations to then penetrate and compromise the contractors that's right that's have been any number of times through history i mean they that is a kind of a weakness that i mean they could even i or the contractors do you know later on after their contracts  done within a day they could hire them as the contractors over there way to go vote you know they do say they do have a non disclosure agreement that they won't disclose anything they've discussed i mean they take with them the knowledge of what the experience really were there and they can air william benny is our guest i want to go to some phone calls eight hundred to five nine ninety two thirty one specifically questions for the highest level n s a was a blower of all time he was in the top four a position there of some same number three position the director the technical leader for intelligence with the n s a i have a whole bunch of twitter questions for real alex jones here for you sure but first off anything else you'd calls i just think we as a country and we as a people need to side whether or not we're going to continue to tolerate this i don't think we should i mean this is this is not consistent with our foundation founding principles and we we to make this a major issue and they have coming election in november and when the politicians come around to solicit their votes and so and talk to you and on you should read these issues with them and say look if you don't start starting to live and then to protect and defend the constitution we are going to fire and we need to pass that message to them very strongly otherwise they're going to they're in and drift along and do whatever they want to do you have to threaten them with their jobs and the only thing that will make them mr binnie any advice on how to mash or scramble the profile data with an ash a is doing on us i e web credit purchased shatter i would just say everyone always thinks about how to get around it how about we politically change it and stop all thing that's wrong but until we get there what would you do to protect your private information actually i do have some of the nothing and the reason is because there's virtually i'm a target and so there's virtually nothing i could do anyway so anything they they wanted to get from me they could actively attack my computer to get it or or you know to and in others they can be kind of invasions of my house like they have f b i normally because they they do speak and take their implant thing in the house to listen to you and all that kind of stuff so i know i'm a target so therefore i don't really try to do anything at all and that in fact i don't want to because i want them to know  could try to use toward towards an annoyance to them but helps and anonymized what you're doing on the web that that is an impediment it causes them some difficulty then if they target you of course they can go around that lter the profile but i'd say let it get criminal it's illegal and have the profile full of stuff exposing them till they're aware when they're sample right just how many people are like tom you know that that's what i try to do i make sure i anything i say if i refer to them i refer to them in a way that makes it perfectly clear what i think of all is organized crime in a revolution against our civilization would you agree with that statement they have organized in a racketeering operation to openly violate everyone's rights unmasked lie about it get caught and keep lying but it certainly is an analogy that would work i mean i don't think they've taken the final step like they haven't done what the  ahead actually you know i have a question for mr benny i'm just i'm i'm i'm from canada which is not our new state but like keil to politically speaking i'm scared that russia is going to like change over the border there's no ocean there's no nothing to stop then why do we should be we should we be worried in canada both russia like marching over the arctic mr banta you have said some things to say recently about the russia situation russia is saying that they may take part of the arctic borders them i don't see russia in an office of mode right now but maybe you can correct me no i don't but this is see this is also one of my very i'm actually an n s a advocate ok but but i'm an advocate in the in the form of doing the right thing now what's russians or any other country and that reduces the capacity to do intelligence and to acquire and that's partly assemble intelligence about those targets so that hurting our ability to understand what they're doing or what they're intending to do and that's what i was saying earlier just as a lay person when you're spying on three hundred twenty million americans how on earth could you be watching the russians at the best point but actually it's even worse than that it's a it's a probably on the order of four point of somewhere between three and four point five billion people around the world sure three hundred plus million u s citizens but the rest of the people in the world through that's that's really that's really the thing that's destroying the capacity to meet that need to have a rich environment the information that's relevant to assess something that's ongoing or been pending and if you don't have that it becomes very difficult to s which is what the globalists want this is a sabotage plan against this country in my view you did join the intelligence professionals earlier last week i know i'm looking for the article and basically came out and said that director u s intelligence veterans write open letter to merkel to avoid all ukraine war what is your take on ukraine and russia it looks like then that the russians are playing a saber rattling game and not really an invasion i mean if you had an invasion like i was involved and in analyzing all of the invasion of czechoslovakia and afghanistan if you if you were preparing to have an invasion you're going to have something then and you've got to be there with a lot and make as if you create a were rattling the point is i i tend to agree with the president here that he needs this these to be so that magically and i believe that that's the correct route rather than trying to go to confrontation i mean i don't think the russians and the russians feel very threatened by think panshin of nato no kidding and i would say well ok fine if they if you look at it from their perspective they they have some concern well ok why don't we invite them into nato why don't we get all of us together in a mutual defense treaty instead of always fighting with each other will sit it instead of fighting with each other and looking and acting like they are really of threat why don't we include them and that of excluding fears another question that's how they get it and but my point is that you can take some very simple you could use whatever is commercially available as a kind of a community site for that you could use but underneath that you have to come up with some variation of your own so that when they go through assuming that they have the right keys and everything with their when they're breaking all these things they end up with a mass that is basically layers of complexity is what i am and one of those layers can be a very simple thing like explicitly take the binary stream of a text that you're trying to encrypt and just transpose the bits in a pattern and that destroys the integrity of the tech so that even if they have the correct coming through the different text you would get under any kind of that brute force attack it would be absolutely wrong amazing stay there this is incredible yet more questions and just because the majority of folks want to be decadent slobs doesn't mean the rest of us have to be slaves to this wm any top a whistleblower is our guest truth justice liberty on twitter handle occupiers now says do you know anything about israel having direct at chess to n s a data i know some of the phone company  caller id systems are a do go back to israel and then one that goes back to the infiltration via contractors by other governments so william binney the there are of course  international relationships and of course that's been published again by this road material that they have a relationship with with israel but in general they any exchange of information between any of those parties is done separately it's not it's not but no one has free access to one another database but those things are held kind of privately if they want to share something they've put it off on a separate data  a close network you know that's that's what and as they claim they have and i think for the most part they do but you know it really i mean how many things are certain in this life you know that's the problem they have very bad documentation of their network in other words that one of the main things you have to do to ensure cyber security is you've got to have good documentation of your network and that will tell you how people could access any of your components inside your system and then you need to define what you want to protect and then you surround and build within your system a protection system you know covering that but those are the two things that the most and as defectively is another question ok absolutely i can't really say for sure what but is what is there tyler in california you're on the air go ahead and there gentle protecting yourself that's for sure i mean and i believe that the for example the congress has a police force that guards them as them which in case of cia if the if they really wanted to do something that i don't think would effectively an effective deterrent but i think most most of the most the people i know in cia or any of the other organizations least the people at the working level would never tolerate any kind of move like that i mean these people i think it's again a matter of collecting information on individuals that's really what their whole objective is so you know it's i just think they're if they are they're not very competent individuals that doing this kind of the activity i really don't i don't think they have the competence to do it and prism on twitter ask you this question he says is prism a weapon against the people in stage how is it a weapon i would expand that question and simply say is a now basically operating as an enemy of freedom in this country in a corporate government management coup of the nation i would say they are fundamentally if you look at it the leadership of basically any country in the world is always a target i think their their security will tell them that they are a target and then warn them to change to ensure that their they are covered and also provide the means to help them  secure their communications i mean that even they even had bush take his own toilet around wedding because foreign governments want to get that yeah sure they want to know everything they possibly can i mean not is not unique to the united states every country stacks of people's facebook page of the social network sites where it just becomes so obvious to everybody that there could be plausible deniability by those people that they're actually spying on to come forward and say things so that now blackmailed anymore it just seems to me that they're reaching a point of you know a critical mass and where there's hubris is almost sure that is really an actual a question we know they're using the system to plant things won't that call into question the entire court system you name it absolutely i mean that's that is the only reason i'm not in jail now by the way here to stay here i just keep saying that you've got so much courage i want to get you back up as soon as you can to tell your story sure you just tirelessly are out there working for all of us traveling the country here on expense i just with the recent celebrity hacking scandal more emphasis is being placed on the security of your mobile device as you recall last year in four wars brought to the reports about how the seattle police department was being forced to shut down their wife i spy grid after a privacy outcry as technology advances it's becoming easier to detect these interceptors stations these places where these guys can siphon off your cell phone data but we don't always know who's behind them to speak more about this we have buzz bruner the director of e america is an eleven year old company that is the world's largest manufacturer of secure cellular phones we build the phones in america that have the highest level of security but also what they do is they have the ability to detect when your self signal is being diverted to an interceptor tower prior to going to a network tower  place we devise itself actually has the ability as like as i said to detect when a cell phone statement which normally would go to one of the closest please understand too that towers are not one hundred fifty foot high steel structures an interceptor tower is were to the size of a briefcase and they are all mobile they are you know they are extremely sophisticated consumer level i guess in a sense how would somebody get a interceptor box you know where anything is coming from well it's if you know some people and we don't we don't tell people when they can get on their sister software th where would somebody you know how are these things getting out on the street you know who was behind this have you guys been able to track down any particular person or group who's behind these boxes well you know we we have the ability to  being diverted to to non network towers ok you know the people that divert the signals range from government law enforcement which are the good guys trying to listen to the bedside is to protect us economic gains or earnings and it just so there are people that you know will stay cool to virtual anyway to steal highly valuable information and then there's governments around the world also good are looking to have a lot of information from a lot of different sources that they utilize in their their you know global situation right now as far as you know he said they've been used by governments law enforcement there's a c b s article where they talked to a formal i agent and he said that he doubted that some of the more recent interceptor boxes maybe that you guys discovered he doubted that those are being used by law enforcement because it's a law enforcement need proper warrants and had to go through the proper channels and all of that would you agree with that may have those particular locations had certain warrants it may have been you know was a fortune but it also may have been their ties to looking to access information clone you know corporate information corporate espionage is so prevalent it's incredible with the whole corporate enterprises spend millions of dollars to protect their i q systems to make sure that their online communications are secure and then they just get on them secure cell phones then talk about high value with permission that they secure online right then bad guys take the path of least resistance they know that the internet systems are being highly protected and intercepting cell calls is very easy it's basically done with impunity i can be a half a mile away from a gentleman of you know stalking a cellphone i can be gathering his information and he would never know that i was you know in  that particular capability as far as the information gathered what can they get can they get real time phone conversations pictures text messages what all can they retrieve so basically they can  know without you knowing it you know they can do a lot of different things by controlling the little computer that i have in your hand that you use to talk on and you made a very interesting statement because a lot of people think it's a conspiracy theory so to speak i can hack into your phone and just as you said turn on your your microphone and listen to what you're saying but you're saying that that is in fact factual and happening oh yes absolutely the only the only real truly secure way to secure your phone like if you're in a conference room and you're in a meeting is for everybody to remove the batteries from their phones turn your phone off does not turn your phone or you know you know all the buttons are to sauce which is they're not cards which is no way to truly secure your phone  is to take the battery out of it right now i was reading some comments re in the interview with your c e o goldsmith and he was talking about how some of these things were discovered around military bases and now it's very troubling to me well guess and we're not operatives from other countries that are in this country specifically to gather information they do it in multiple ways they can they can take a regular laptop here in america they can get a so called here in america and they can get sophisticated software downloaded to them here in america they have an instant cellular intercept as we come to our and i'm sorry to cut you off running a little low in time just tell us what else you think is the most important issue  concerning this and also how people can find your technology well with some of the very best thing to remember is that if you are speaking of anything that isn't of high high value is don't say it on a cell phone assume that it's being listen to that's so that's the wife style change for security that the that protects people secondly r c p five hundred you know if you if you take a c t five hundred and you call another sixty five hundred you know that paso texas where we were to cross the river from mexico into america thousands of other than mexicans cross our borders from over seventy five different countries in full force to show you time and time again that our borders are intentionally left unsecured and now these isis psychopathic are ready to strike it targets on american soil we know our government has created and funded isis so whether or not just surreal threat or a false flag the globalists are now one step closer to their end game stripping us of all our liberties so we trust stuff like that isis jihadi to be as obvious as possible to show and to illustrate just how wide open the border really is