we are talking today with dr helen caldicott dr helen caldicott is a nobel peace prize nominee and the founding president of physicians for social responsibility where she served in that position from nine hundred seventy seven to nine hundred eighty six in addition to founding p s r she is also the founding president of the star standing for truth about radiation foundation founder of the women's action for nuclear disarmament and founder of the nuclear policy research institute and she is here to talk about her new motivation in creating crisis without end i was a pulled at the ignorance of the media reporting the fukushima disaster and it's ongoing and they didn't seem to understand genetics so radio radiation physicians epidemiology is and try and attract the media so we we can educate them a bit well you know the new york times didn't turn up world who writes nuclear articles he was something else i think more upright nuclear conference but it was broadcast around the world to i think three thousand six hundred outlets and out of it has come a book of the proceedings which is really the first s for those that can't remember exactly can you refresh people's memories on what happened are you watching them well there was a terrible earthquake in the pacific need the east coast of japan was a  nine and that's very big and off to follow just a numbing because the earth moved in the ocean moved up and was a very tall tsunami forty five feet high and it rushed in if you can remember the photographs of ships and people and cars and houses being swept far inland and many many people died they figured she meant daiichi plant was built at sea level actually they excavated a cliff to make it six reactors two were not functioning for three were and one was being reloaded now to keep a nuclear power plant running with a hundred tons of fissioning uranium in its core you have to keep it cool that's putting it mildly so what happened was nuclear power plants must have external electricity supply to power the pumps to circulate the water at a million gallons a minute through the co and of course with the earthquake tremendous damage was done and the external power supply was lost however they had a whole lot of huge diesel generators in the basement the size of a house which three nuclear power plants started to melt down and the three of the mill to done within about three days however the japanese government didn't tell anyone for three months the nuclear regulatory commission here in washington was having conniptions and if you read the transcripts of the discussions i mean they were terrified now are you a con who was the prime minister who i now know at the time was so a plant and just down the coast is the di any plant with four more nuclear power plants and that was in trouble too so they had their full stop had it been at night probably they all would have down and japan would have gone as david suzuki in japan and in in no he is in canada said it would be bought by japan and it still could be by by japan because it's a very prone area some of the buildings are extremely fragile live there were four huge explosions one of which was a nuclear explosion they call it an excursion but it was nuclear and especially building o building four is also similarly fragile and it's got a huge cooling pool on top with all its fuel rods but they have been removing them and it's been a very delicate procedure and i've removed almost exposed to this water washing over continuously and the water is extremely radioactive made while having to pour seawater continuously into these three cores to keep them cool and as that research relates back it's terribly radioactive too so that they sucking up that particular water and putting it in huge tanks about i don't know fifteen hundred tanks three storeys high hill together with sort of plastic and corroding bolts and stuff meanwhile the water submerging underneath the reactors coming from the mountains is pouring to the pacific continuously three hundred to four hundred tons per day have been pouring into the pacific every day for three and a half years since the accident and so a lot of people say well you know it will become diluted specific so huge body of water however the solution to pollution by  fallacious when it comes to radiation because as bio magnification in the food chain so for instance cesium concentrates hundreds thousands of times in the algae the cross stations at the algae it's concentrated powers of magnitude in stations little fish big fish in the us and fish when thousands of miles across they swim anywhere they want and so on the coast of california about it a year or two ago they were catching tuna containing cesium from but it will get worse and there's no end in sight nuclear engineers have no idea how to get to these radioactive because they saw radioactive that people would dive they got near them because the radiation is so intense and you know i mean being a physician prognosticating as i do with patients prognosticating on this disaster i don't think they'll ever remediate it and it will continue in the pacific will get more and more radioactive and you know i live on the pacific in little fishing village in australia and we could easily be a radioactive fish in a year or two or three and you can taste radiation and you fish if say  nice this watching is tuna but you can't taste smell or see radioactive elements and once they get into your body and deposit in various organs and concentration of various organs it takes two to  enormously like they've done with hiroshima and nagasaki and lots of other situations so three hundred or four hundred tons of radioactive water per day and i believe tepco those rosy prediction for when they're going to get  things contained is forty years out but the rest of the experts don't seem to back that up michio kaku you know the real physicists who know what's going on say there's real no no real solution and don't forget that's in the ukraine and don't forget rushford america are confronting each other in the ukraine ukraine is still very radioactive they have had a huge numbers of cancers and leukemias and the like there are fifteen reactors in the ukraine still you can that they do and you know this situation in ukraine could precipitated nuclear war but to get back to my main point a stupid man in the middle of the not to do stupid experiment with john over which was arnie operating for three months and the thing exploded burns in meltdown and one stupid man with a nuclear reactor contaminated a continent the whole of europe and britain there is still farms in wales and britain with the lambs that are so radioactive they can't be sold on the market there are wild boars running around germany so radioactive they almost glow in the dark and have to be buried in radioactive waste facilities i mean because what happens is as the cattle the bore the lambs eat the grass the radiation of course has concentrated in the grass and concentrates further in the flesh and so it doesn't human flesh and so therefore our time frame turkey was so radioactive that i was so annoyed with the russians i picked all a radioactive tea and sent it to russia for the russians to have but i don't have any turkish food and darn the turkish his hazelnuts most of the hazelnuts that we get now are the flavor of coffee in a like come from turkey so you have to be well educated about these these situations and that's why this book crisis without  the japanese government tepco and the rest the world are not really taking this very seriously in the solutions that they've come up with so far like the ice wall are a joke i mean people were mocking that when it was refrigerator the ground and turn it into frozen ground but you have to have huge amounts of electricity to do it and you know you'd have to have it operating for hundred years without failure i mean yes it's a joke the downfall of the water from the mountain and then have pipes to divert the water clean water into the pacific that could be one helpful solution but no one's taking that seriously the japanese government is very sort of claustrophobic the japanese are funny people i've been there three times in the last year and they're very hierarchical and tepco really is the japanese government they call it the nuclear village year and so they take no advice from anyone else and you know they could easily ask bechtol which i don't like big deal because i build nuclear power plants and george shultz was a president but they know a lo and if they were invited in japan to help trying formulation a solution or some solution that would help but the japanese are very proud and tepco is covering up and they use workers  or they subcontract to get they workers and one of the main subcontractors is your kusa which is the japanese barfi apparently for years and years the nuclear industry in japan have been working closely with your cr and so they are getting people homeless people off the streets in tokyo and elsewhere mentally retarded people alcoholics and bringing them in to help remediate the situation and these people are getting very high doses some of them of radiation in not being adequately followed up they are unskilled they are running out of warm bodies to continue to  for ten years so there's a huge cover up not just in japan but may i say in the united states of america and obama is a nuclear president he got a quarter of a million dollars deal with japan just after the accident to say that you would continue importing japanese food a lot of the japanese version is very radioactive i went to a sushi bar in new york fairly recently and it was you know the glamorous and people are drinking this sakis and inefficient i said where does a fish come from they said japan so high i got my sushi which was sourced from new zealand and from canada they part from the water washing into the ocean every day three to four hundred tons then now asking the fisherman if they can just instead of putting it in these tanks is other water if they are just to put into the ocean and i mean it's a disaster beyond compare it's not the end of the earth or anything like that but it means two things one if there's another major earthquake it could be a disaster for japan and the no th scuse me the northern hemisphere and two it's an ongoing disaster and there will be hundreds of thousands of cases of cancer new kenyan babies born deformed and genetic diseases down the time track as chernobyl that's twenty six years ago i think so you strip like that to japan yeah they were lucky the first three days the winds blew across the pacific and huge amounts of radiation went east or i cursed i may say that the i mean levels in seattle of radiation wind up up forty thousand times above normal in those first few days so you got a fair bit of fallout and radiation and then the winds change and bluer of japan they didn't tell the people where the radiation was going and the people fled into the path of the highest radiation levels they didn't want to create panic so they kept the people ignorant and of course japan is very populated unlike you know the ukraine and the soviet union and the like there were roofs and so you could extrapolate to a degree they he too but because it could be another accident any time it's imperative that your ear all down the west coast and indeed across america because emory scene was found in boston you know be monitored can on a daily basis and the water in the pacific and the fish and post it so that the public can watch the data and see and all lies the u s has what is now considered a field system but has been pouring millions of dollars into for instance a bioterror detectors across the u s you know i think in a state there is at least a couple dozen of these detectors we can pour money into that into that failed so how d when this missile went up the russians sort o guard a trident has launched its missile and you've got a policy for a first strike winnable nuclear war which means how do you win a nuclear war you decapitate moscow notice the terminology   and because the russians are very worried about being decapitated they have got built a huge cave in the ural mountains with one single missile called the data hand if moscow is decapitated they send up the dat the football is a suitcase with nuclear codes that follows your son and obama around all times and if you watch obama's always a man with a suitcase following him so he can see he can annihilate the planet when reagan was shot they lost the suit case for two days and so they are in the suitcase of the first time ever in russia and there is you know it's a hardened alcoholic like a bottle of vodka before breakfast sort of thing where  that's how we're still here i got snore robert mcnamara really well we used to have lunch in washington situ and i went down there and he said to me he was in the oval office during the cuban missile crisis he said helen i don't know how close we came to within minutes now with state of heightened anxiety as he's being set up by the new york cons in the state department i have to say they set up the whole ukrainian situation i think putin's being really restrained it so we've got heightened anxiety human fallibility computer error and the computers make mistakes hackers into the and one is press a button simply because no one knew what was happening and it was just total anxiety so you see all those factors together could easily destroy life on earth where i say that because the at least forty hydrogen bombs targeted on new york as i speak six young washington six year moscow every town here the population of fifty thousand is probably targeted with at least one h bomb and the russian bombs a big or universities and terrorists how dare they talk about terrorists now and you know america killed with the coalition of the willing closing a story about it a million people in iraq half of whom were children from the inventions in science always go towards killing people so my next book is going to be called why men kill and why women let them unless we diagnose this urge to kill in the reptilian mid brain of many destroy outsells and i once saw skull sagan who was quite a friend of mine i said how do you think there's any other life in the universe me pause for a long time and then he said no and i said why and he said because if them their masters of death annihilation i mean it's beyond my comprehension as a as a physician who spent my life trying to save lives and helping people in extremis to die you know i can't understand and when i looked at those pictures of gaza and the men holding up their butt babies in beautiful dresses with no heads or a child with its brain blown up i just i mean going into the autopsy room when i was a medical student was bad enough seeing a beautiful beautiful body like a david lying the she'd had a baby and died those sort of things what we don't get in the hollywood films and all those ghastly killing stuff is seeing the results the human consequences of what we're doing