john welcome welcome very very much to conversations a pleasure to welcome to the program my dear dear dear dear one more time dear friend of mine oh i thought you would sit it and i i make clear you give me the five seconds ok welcome welcome very very much to conversation and this guest here is one of the dearest friends i've had in my whole adult d life and that's beth lamont and beth lamont is a peacenik i would say something and she's the widow she'll come up in the graphics of coreless lamont a gigantic figure in terms of the peace movement and concern for bringing about as possible a a world that serves the own background and little bit weave that in and then you're meeting with this giant cornerstone of mine yes share your own background a bit and then horace and let's talk and celebrate his marriage i remember being in meeting him before still and i thought well this is really great for little kids you know inspiration and in future fast paced learning and all that right i'm saying but what about the teen agers you know being grown up and bringing up a lot of teenagers drop in rather than up out right yeah that would be the whole focus of it you know to inspire kids and talk about futures in and past john or you were always a peacenik always always always in the family so corliss lamont is the author of the philosophy of humanism yeah and accurate of not yes and i thought i had invented humanism yeah when i was pushing away from traditional religion yeah is it seems like that being would have to be a fiend not a loving protector so how did you deal with that dilemma pushed through we pushed your way for sure and but but you keep is the all the good things yeah but the more we know you know now we have science and now we know that we are part of the universality and i know we are earth people and those people and i believe that we have evolved and i somebody who was you know you were doing good for you to do with your video and everything in your background would have been good if you could have met somebody who was an honest to god humanist in order to help read your new philosophy it w at all so yeah so but so tell us some more about him and everything and you're getting that st of all believing in evolution oh yeah well the ancients didn't have anything like this  you know yeah well that's part of the world were those are part of the oral traditions of writing with i guess people have a valid need to ask those kind of questions i'm not sure we're able to do that a few millennia back in the are saying you don't believe in god well i had my doubts you know i was feeling very defensive i couldn't articulate it in a positive way here those things are so strong and i feel so intimidated and i know i s been before you know those are no i mean i didn't share you i think we're at a time like that we were born into i don't know if we're going to make it you and i but i think yeah we're in a time of i qualitative transformation creating thinking that i invented humanism the idea seen well what do i believe i don't want to be talking about negative pushing away what do i believe i'm right we have evolved and we have a responsibility and i keep joking about the three r s reading writing and arithmetic carried those big logs yeah that thing had twenty four forward gears twenty four forward gears going up and down those another story but you're in arizona i was waiting for you to get over or look well you know well so i went to a political meeting about how what we can do about the sheriff stars i'm a nine hundred and twenty nine model i was born just before the stock market's great yeah but i was starting it was so amazing and he gave me some of wonderful inspiring you know mysie about the philosophy of humanism yeah the people's right to know and protecting civil liberties all of these things that you just screaming now i'll be at the right right now and i was just so thrilled and i thought thank you so much thank you so much for your message and so you know the human it's not socialist not even on our doorstep but look what we've got not only do we already have socialized militarism like sixty five percent of our budget is muddled but now we have socialized capitalism ceremonies for yeah non religious or whatever people want the important thing is what they're saying or you are wed legally yeah yeah my signature is good i've been practicing my signature yeah  and how did you know you remember the day well is it inscribed in your memory well the meeting of you know it was like the beginning of the new world it was yes so amazing those are the meetings was remarkable people the people writing about you know yeah yeah at that when they're in there for that was a magic moment it was as he sent me to the soviet union with my camera he had always made contributions to promoting way and i think literature and that was his forte and he went to work with one of the newspapers in manhattan and wrote such compelling  holmes was a socialist and he was a page he was a humanist humanist and a socialist it's been the it's been so blind yeah yeah evil empire yeah all the father was in europe and investing i guess with the bank and i don't know what kinds of investment these were a grandson ted lamont wrote about prevail and we should be supportive of them and and tom said well you know bill that was that's a good idea when they went to talk to prime minister david lloyd george and i quipped that he probably sa by george that's a good idea to go in convince woodrow wilson and so corliss remembers telling the story about getting the yellow telegram dad's coming home for christmas oh boy and corliss is fifteen home from school for christmas but dad wasn't coming for christmas he was coming to get down to washington and that's what the plan was it went down to washington and i don't know what all the name trying to be independent and there were so many things prevailing upon him and he had an advisor and i keep thinking of all the advisers to trump now oh and this advisor but he was so fearful and representing the capitalist economic system and they didn't want to hear this workers of the world unite you have nothing to lose  trying to stamp out the socialist ideas yeah that promoting the worker protecting the workers and now including protecting planet earth that is in in such y that are despoiling the earth ruining the streams you know polluting the air all of these scary things the ice caps are melting and they are and so every decision that you make investing in this mining them home right all of all of the things that and ringback sending the jobs where you know people are you all of those things and so all the decisions that are made at every board meeting their needs to be thinking about what the earth will be like what year the decision makers grandchildren great citizens united the you know corporations unlimited it should be strictly limited the amount of money foreign money corporation money can come into and sway the decision making and what people see on the television screen or what they're hearing they incorporated in this image of trump being the strong man and he's going to on the pages of a book he was a hell of a writer was i'll say yeah off yeah but it was so amazing that was the technology printing press and dissemination of the written word yeah and then came obey the issues that come from washington now and i am invoking the new remembered principles ok about obeying i want people he american patriot protection act and i've got a congress for the purpose of protecting officials officers soldiers employees who refused to carry out an ethical and inhumane orders that that is you that's burning right today scary yeah when you read the nuremberg principles and i don't know that us especially the international criminal court need to document that we have not signed yeah so that principle one any person who commits an act which constitute a crime under international law is responsible and therefore liable to punishment and a whole list you would like people to be responsible for human rights and duties and also to be caring for the least among us exactly of all what our great spiritual leaders have always said and been widely ignored by the political  and it's got a certain understanding because people conquer each other all over the place and i don't their own rules i think the most heinous crime of the capitalist economic system is that pope foment promote something what was it they just did a thing where they're going to throw people off medicaid and they're going to send something like is it eight hundred million dollars going to the richest people that exist in our country and take people off medicaid who need the you know charitable act of healing d and so forth so that's something that ought to the bill in congress could be worded in such a way for my own son keep saying mom why are you still critical of us foreign policy pretty good guys don't you know we're the good guys and i'm saying the people we are the good people we share and we're protective of each other but the military mindset what's called real politic well it's and you have to have enemies it's quite true if you took the enemy's away that would be yeah i don't think they could almost handle a world justly order i mean i just world order it wouldn't work hardly or something now it's because everything is based upon insufficiency or scarcity in material terms that there is not enough you have to realize is th is another reason not now live enough so for someone to get a little bit of cream in their coffee or anything any little benefit they have to take it from somebody else it's called zero  thinking that's obsolete no it isn't obsolete informs the whole political process it seems to me that's something so if it's not going to come out of here we're going to take the money out here and ask to come out of the air and that whole kind of thin for a problem when the robots take away all the work and the meaning of the labor theory of value that informs mightily the wet the left i think they're going to be in trouble are going to have an alternate way in mr p getting money to people to be able to clear the market to work and be produced good things they're going to they're they're going to cut it cut out the demand side of the equation they're going to have an alternate way of determining of getting money to people when the people are free from having to be a wage slave they're going to get freed from waste you he told me the story ford motor well ford motor was just and he said that people have to have we have to tinkered in their garage as a young boy it was seems i did he made over he went on and he built the ford motor company and then that became really important for fighting the fascist because it was the military will run and so forth they had a capability to turn up materials of war to fight the fascists and so forth and then the end of the and end of the war troy it was the highest per capita income in all of the united anything but now they've had trouble and everything but he started the assembly line and everything but now that's all going to be done by robots robots are coming mess in the loo in the  information technology which is not going to go away and they're going to be doing away with the kind of labor things i would say distributed by power to the masses which through their labor as wage earners or wage slaves they're things the good life that can be produced right increasingly so that's going to call for and then to the root traditional thinking of left right right you know right here we are in the belly of the beast yeah there's something are there so lack of vision of what we're going to do it very well and there's something that can be done she'd be unlawful to destroy usable food and this is another thing the producers  all you got all the context for this lovely lady so be in touch with her get down to the meetings as she calls get to her website and follow this woman she's a real inspiration for a lot of people a good mind we got we're  inviting my pleasure