it is just a point of expression that we in what we call movement of spiritual in awareness are no more elite elect select than anyone else in this world and we should keep that proper perspective going the difference that we have is that we are focusing on going to god and that's the transcend the consciousness that we want to function in neil maybe maybe i should be looked at because after and you can't do that because you're supposed to be nice and polite a lot i'm not either of those i'm not nice i'm not polite been around long long no doubt i remember one lady said she'd list a similar she said he's a literate i said what he's a literate what did she expect that's you that is really one of those intellectual jokes let me redo this this will be a person the people i want more  and so in this work our goal is soul and that's what we want to focus on what we want to do and the reason why we do that because that's the christ in us that's the divinity in us that is the god in us that is really me who we take away the dress and the legs the clothing the hair in the eyes and what's left will be the soul the divinity this just rubs the heck out of a lot of people who are religious minded and i don't care for the heck out of them because then maybe they're just be having left but this is not something you can stop and say i've got to please you this is not an attack on anyone this is an explanation of how we get messed up and how we place our energies in the wrong direction and then they throw us in what we do when we're being thrown and it's been a rough time for a lot of people because there's been so many things changing and you people that have been in initiates ministers and who are seeking god is the foremost part of your beingness you really get tried out by the opposition who want to make sure that you're worthy to do that and we look at it is a negative intervention of a lot of other people look at us this psychic attacks but we know their attacks we just know that they're foolish and we have to change all that they show us to the positive they would take something really valuable about being attacked by demonic spirits and devils and all of that it set a stuff it's going to point out to you where you are in your consciousness and what you need to work on and what you've been lax at it is doing you a greater service than any one of us because if we were to tell you that you get angry yale walk out be mad and be righteously indignant and never fix it you get attacked from the invisible spaces you can't blame anybody and so you really try to get better and you listen to anyone who will help you and as you listen you start to get the information and as you get the information you start to see how you can start to repair that how you can deflect it you can transmute it how you can sustain yourself in the midst of it is a blessing and that's a hard thing to try to convince somebody of at this particular time it is just about the time we think we've got it going real good out of nowhere comes something that devastates us somewhere and we can understand why god does that the only reason the areas devastated because it's neglected now we have to turn and focus on illness and diseases or areas of neglect in our life and it's the way divinity is calling us to say listen your type of thinking and feeling and physical behavior is causing these illnesses now find out what that illness is trace it back to where you put it in motion and correct it if you don't you die a lot of people don't almost one hundred percent don't their bodies d and a and they in the midst of the conversation to their soul and this shit walk away because they meant not be they may have been initiated the soul level but they can't hold if you find out from somebody else that someone is a mental or theory cursed soul initiates and you want to see how they have matured spiritually in this level of their life with being connected to the higher level of beingness now you have something really good to do you can sit in all sorts of judgment or you can just evaluate it but there is a scale that you can use and let me give the scale to you because you want to use it for yourself down here in the what we call the physical level in the emotional and the mental and the a theory the theory clavell can't really be seen so it's not too much you can do about that the physical level we can observe that we're not really sure what  means in the mental level we can hear people say things and then they'll say well that wasn't really what i meant so then we watch them in their emotions and we we see them come out this way and we watch how they fire their emotions and the drama of life that they bring themselves in order to patrol out into the world whatever it is they want to act out and there's the barometer now a person could be very juvenile here emotionally let's say they're thirty but in reality they're thirteen this thirty year old who's also a soul noble acting like thirteen there's a real difference there isn't there it's a real dichotomy used what what happens i you come in with all of your expectations of what they should be like like this halo floating across the room but no steering wheel or gear shift or wings really so they don't go anywhere until they meet your great disappointment but i thought that you were a soul level in this shit how come you are drinking a beer and the answer is because i like it in you can start to run with something and your mind will take off and before you know it you're in the trap you're the trap of the concept of beingness not the real being a concept your idea of how someone should behave and do their life based upon the information that you have and when they don't match up to this concept you take the concept lock it into yourself and beat yourself up inside for their lack of measuring up to your concept this is something like crazy it is how many they've done it like you just look around who's  is not for this level it's done in this level but is for something else and there's really what you do down here won't affect that what you do it here may affect this may think about what does this do to be what it is we feel what it is is to doing what it is so we're really misguiding ourselves we are resetting ourself up for misguidance and then we proceed to give it to ourself knowing that we don't like that we look for someone to blame it on a spouse is a really good one short of a spouse a boss sort of a boss a politician short of them a doctor sort of them a minister short of them me but i'm way down the line because i tell you i am not doing it in this world and i'm doing it in another world and we walk through so then people say well is there any value reaching the supper level yeah what you're going nowhere you go when you die just said i'm going to take him at his word and i found out what all of his words were and i said i like that bad that season that to kuala paul's words and i said i don't like that though it's real true what he said about a lot of things he does i'd rather follow teachings of christ the teachings of paul you know there's a great theological story told i don't know it's historical where people were in a theological seminary and on the graduation this one professor always said right on the travels of st paul so everyone would just go sit and outline all it and have it memorized they go in there and he would give them the test outline the travels of saint paul and people would get it all pass this time the alchemist sit down you hand out the books and said discuss the master sermon on the moun minister says they get up walk out one sit there now i have to remember the others got beat up on the conception and they all stood outside and waited two hours later out came this young minister to be they said did you did you know what the question was said no so but you were there two hours she asked well what did you do i said i wrote on the paper whom i had to criticize the master i'd rather discuss the see you start to think of a go you better start using your head all the time even in places where you think you supposed to just give us rote answers don't do that come into your creativity i would just be willing to bet that if i were the teacher that person would got the only a certainly because of that creative instinct when i find people are creative around me i pick it up i feel it if they're thinking creatively i get just a happy feeling i start to get a joyful feeling like what's what's going on with you they say i was busy doing that other then i go i know i was with you but i never thought i was just getting it now all that site sort of on the positive of this level but how do we measure well over the past decade and i've been personally the subject of really great attacks from all sorts of people i make national television when people are calling up want to know more about what we do i know that wasn't their intent but you know some people see past some other people's intent and concept and people say how do you how do you feel when that happens i said well you know i really feel first of all i don't like to be called names not know who does and i don't really come here to be picked on but other than that it's their problem it's their karma so go ahead to me that bounces off it's like shooting a basketball game it doesn't go through the hoop it just hits and bounce people say well don't you get angry a little frustrated times like why can't you just get the truth why can't you get don't get a little bit get all of it or leave it alone wait to get the whole picture and then look at the picture but if you think you got the whole picture when you go a little square then you're going to act like a crazy person you go think yours is so because that's what life is for you but it is the decorum of our emotions when things are going bad that shows how we're maze e ring up in our spiritual development evolution inside of the physical body because the emotions are just a kick off their reactive somebody say something  i missed it i was that it was your immaturity is what that was busy other people who got it was their maturity now things will happen where where well let me just tell you about one that just happened recently enough enough i'm too far off on this just let me know but some friends of mine were coming up here from los angeles a second middle and they got to the check in counter and sometimes that's a mass of humanity trying to get into a little thing that flies you claustrophobic lease someplace why because they're putting people through it and i want to be one that goes through so needless to say it was a new person at the counter wouldn't you know it christmas holiday good cheer good spirits and they put a little devil in front of you who's going to follow the rules in the regulations because they have to secure their job in this recession we met up with somebody like that and baggage check in today and  off the flight and the plane's pulling away and the person still saying bring the plane back they don't bring the planes back unless you have a bomb or something i say or something like maybe of the present state bring the plane back or maybe the clerk behind you say bring the plane back but these passengers you pay for sorry the plane doesn't come back for you it leaves with you but it doesn't come back for you once you get that part down your head it's easier is like going down the taxi in the middle of the street new york he'll stop and you get to get on with a taxi or they're gone so it was really i guess from what i gather telling that person and the world and maybe even the airlines what they could do with everything his lovely wife just turned around he looked at her and she started laughing and that laughter that she brought forward from that place of just joy like yeah i know it's upsetting i'm in the same boat  we're standing here together you're handling it this way and i'm handling it this way and he had the wit to turn to and say keep it up whatever you got going inside of you i need more of that when things are bad it's rough and it's down you don't need somebody to  commiserate with you you need somebody to be appears a polarity laughing and saying hey we got a real experience let's be creative and see what other airline we can get on and they did it is hard to say and you can do psychic just start doing ses drop off to be with the lord float along while you're flying along we land get out and i just felt really a lot better but then it was so much nicer after i'd seen what happened to the one friend with us and the other friend who they were going to stick in for a lot of over luggage you know they get you up to the curb and they go you can't do this if you do we're going to cost you lots of money so then you start trying to tap dance to the guy  get you to do this other thing when i have to do that it goes very good come back over here because you have to pay this amount you go away just a second and so it is song and dance time and when you get all three come what it was it wasn't paying them was the idea the way the person was doing our luggage well i didn't pack it it isn't my luggage what do i have to lose nothing i stayed out on the outside and watched all here's this guy treat my friend like a jerk here's my friend jerking we finally get on the plane this site we're flying first class we should not have to pay the excess baggage charge you don't have to just a bag doesn't go the bank goes you pay this amount for this back to the bag has to come so you know when i sit there watching this sort of like going how many times airports have i seen this and then i had a concept what's a great idea a concept i know why airlines are going broke they're jerking us around they get use a captive and beat you up if you hit one of them you go to jail you know this is almost like the revolutionary days when we divorced from england the english didn't like it because all the columnist could wear brown and gray leather and hide behind walk rocks and trees and the english had to walk ten abreast red outfits with white stripes across them said no exactly where she knew no one of the british lost but see their rule was this is how we march and the calls go that's great that lone hand was the british empire representing  it was funny when you know even after this happens and the two friends with the baby told me what happened i thought i'm going to tell about this someone or this is too good not to share with everybody because it points up how good i am and how bad they were in handling the situations never choose something that's going to make you look bad that's the first rule in public speaking choose what makes you look good other people work to make you look bad you need to have something to offset it so you keep stacking up you're good but the same time you never want to hurt but if it points up even holding the traveler consciousness does not mean that you're not going to get angry and tell somebody where to turn him doesn't mean that it does mean that you're anchoring their consciousness that's a conveyor from this world into the spirit world and all the people who get on there means a lot of cleaning up to be done if you've ever ridden on a subway in new york and the rush hour and you go through to clean it you think even carrying pigs or something else in there is terrible and yet that job is to convey people the travelers job is to convey to the spirit  meantime it's got to clean off all the debris of the lower levels and that debris sticks on to the one who cleans it off and off the traveler looks like the porter and the junk man and the garbage collector something interesting traveler is the garbage collector now the new times come where more and more people after all these years are waking up to that consciousness that i'm all so that you don't have the keys but  you have the realisation of the knowledge of the divinity of god in you and christ in you is you in you as the great one as the one you've been looking for the one that's been your years of depression and ends anxiety and seeking and all that out in the world of thinking you saw two different people and yeah i'll bet you did and then the personality clouded over and locked it in and then you got divorced or he said we can do this together then you saw somebody else and they in that one need to be close someone with you they open up the door and you go oh my god and they look you say oh my god now god sees god in all the longing the yearning stops it absolutely stops and when it stops the fulfilment of your being comes up inside and while you're here physically in this world you are really a man of god and god consciousness not the great god you're a man in that inside of you is this scripturally correct yeah let the mind that is in christ jesus be in you if it can't be in you there's no need to talk any further about anything it has to stop we put on a tin bill and go and pick manure with the rest of chicken what a concept can you imagine what that would look like it might look pretty funny so we have to say how do i then handle the emotional upset when the local forces the opposition unless it is called the devil or satan or whatever it is or the tester or the trial master the fault finder shows up  and shows me my faults and i have to make a correction how do i do that anyway can what's the best way first one asked i really have to do this because maybe they're kidding me maybe it's a joke they go not go they say no you have to do it when do i have to do it well in the next year how do i have to do it best way you know how mark off the wrong one but as you're walking through this existence of the physical world in your motions or holding up in your measuring the world by your emotional response inside of you you poise is going to show is going to show the height of this spiritual evolution inside if you get that kind of clear if you start to yell and scream at somebody if you do that as a technique like to get their attention get out of the road or comes a car that's not what i'm talking about i'm talking about a disagreement over something and you sit down and in the talking it over you threaten the other person with bodily harm it's called you do it my way or know what the thing is you want me to do and i'm not really fond of that but what's the or else they tell me i'll go up take the or else you know what one person said to me i'm not prepared to give you the or else i said then you should've offered it to me and i got i'm on the defensive at the point th defensive is that fair not to attack if you do shows that you are spiritually emotionally immature because in the moment of having the freedom and the willingness and ability to strike to withhold your hand is to earn you grace is to earn you a maturity inside of knowing that you're not now going by peripatetic emotions or impetuous behaviors that you are going to start taking dominion more and more now when you take dominion and you reach the source of power which is god it's amazing how that power comes through from you and other people around you pick it up and they sense the great ss and the divinity and the sacredness of the holiness with you guess what they're using their own divinity sacredness and holiness as a measuring device to check you and so you by doing that have brought the other person to the same level but they're brought by your ability and they haven't got it by their own sustaining endeavors so when you walk away you pull the rug out from under the you know you have to pull anything walk away and they fall how they start to handle that fall is later think about what happened the starting of wisdom what did i do to get to this place you go back you say i can't remember past this point as the day bases what happened to this point here yeah can you tell me what it was you saw me doing you don't know what i did just what you saw me doing you saw me i felt the what was going on i was talk only i was talking first ok i remember now what i was doing i did not give them the loving in the car that i could have and then i went down they didn't help me up they've been helped up before every time it's time for you to pick yourself up and stop having other people pick you up stop having other people save you save yourself how do i get up i don't know how do you get up well i'll just roll downhill real fast until i jump to my feet take off that doesn't work too well so well i think i'll just pretend like i've been sleeping in a roll over get up try it they do say hey you're up what was the problem you know the problem was i was not handling it emotionally well the how do you handle mostly you dropped emotions out and move into the physical move the body you don't need emotions you just need the body then i didn't have to get upset emotionally you didn't have to do the motions you just did the body then when i went talk to the person i got the information right you didn't have to use your emotions you just used your mind and then i thought about how i would read that again if it ever happened now you used your own conscious your program in the end conscious well i really feel good about this now you're using your emotions to your upliftment that you feel good about and you go walk come shows that you are handling this at a thirty thirty level your motions are matching your age but more than that it's going beyond that because other you're willing to show and to demonstrate to other people the fall the process towards the fall what you did to start the process i did it backwards for you the getting up and how you live your life based upon that disaster that scandal that whatever happened how you going to live your life at this point from here on you go to complain about it you going to cuss you going to or why not watch where you're going that's good use of your eyes and your body and your mind watch where you're going now it's your choice if you want to feel good about that or bad about that can tell you how you can tell if you go through good about something if you ever traveling to a foreign country and you start to get dysentery and you have somebody who has the restroom up to this point you're the state of disaster and they tell you from that moment on you start to feel good about it and as you start to move towards it you start to feel a whole sense of gratefulness and if you make it you have a sense of gratitude and that's all based upon a disaster and you interceded in your wisdom got the information hurry when we were traveling in the middle east a lot we tell people here where the restrooms are so we saw what you spend time tolls for the restrooms are line or shoot around the building go here down behind the trees and good luck and they looked and they looked and they didn't look back they just took off and i said this person is an urgent situation and the person didn't have a disaster they were showing how to handle it let's see how we can help you with that in the crisis when people handle it that's really when you get amazed at ability you can't handle a crises in a state of in with toure and spiritual neglect you can't handle it you have to go find somebody else to do it for you i'm not talking now about a rick and a brain surgeon is necessary i'm talking about your average daily living where you have these crises these events we do crisis intervention continuously with each other and sometimes i'm not too sure that that's the best thing to do because a person may maybe well maybe they just are not finding out what they're feeling about it is not what it is and there is no crisis and they stop the drama and delusion of being in crises all the time let them have their crises go with them because if it turns out to be one then legitimately so you can be there to support sustain and if it isn't legitimately so you can be there is the listening part as this person starts to unravel their dilemma and come to the light much of what they do to themselves to stop them from being here and enjoying the spiritual christ of the consciousness the god inside of them our lord in the kingdom of heaven all synonomous also known as terms once we come into the and it isn't something where you get come into and then have it forever it's like come into it and stay in contact with it the divine supply of energy just trickle charges or bursts through when necessary but we find out that we're calmer were nicer we put they'll say something's not in line how they say it you start to pass along to see who can get in line and it is fun it's fun to do these things if you realize that you're just getting reference so referential information about how you maturing spiritually and using your emotions is the barometer just really real recently a lady friend of mine was visiting another one of the hospital in and one died  user different from a long time ago they've been like raise the families together and husbands have died around the same time and they've just been friends forever and ever and ever and now one is going to leave and the other one is going to be left there without the anything and especially all the comforts of being secure with that person and not have to stretch anywhere and i got this emergency type of letter and you know i'm not going to go into detail of it because that's parading the person i don't want to do that i want to give the information oh god please help don't let this cancer get my such and such friend i wrote back said cancer will not get your frame cancer will get your body god will get your friend how are you going to handle it when they see god and she got the message back i think so we called it and read it to her but then i got says when i heard the message from you it was just maybe a half hour before my friend died but in that last half hour while they were going in and out and in and out they got so peaceful and so calm and i asked her how is it you're handling that so well you've had such terrible pain you've been under all these medications they've taken from you the pain vis  yeah ok so they took off that last half hour pain free she said i couldn't believe it all the wrinkles left her face she seemed like she went back to when she was very young when we were in college together there was some sortie type of thing i looked at as i remembered her of how beautiful she was how beautiful she is now and the age still realized it was something that was going on inside her and i talked to her and she said you know the lord talked about she said she's he's here and they forget and she's well how's the pain she's i don't have any pain she's well as a cancer she says well this is good as anyone's i guess you know you know you can imagine somebody who's in that state of euphoria coming up with acute answers always be here and then and the reason i found this out as she asked me what's the here i said the god in us that's the here in us the nounless is always going to be there will be in touch and it's amazing she said that whenever she want to be with her friends she would just say her name and she could feel her come present and then she said i haven't been able to get a hold of so so lately  i'm missing her how come i didn't miss a before i said we don't miss what you have you only miss what you don't have so all that time for you were missing her she was still with you and now she's off to do other things that are part of her and her expression of divinity and you haven't been in contact for quite a while and you start to miss that she says oh she start crisis now's your chance to see if you're going to handle this thing emotionally as well she handled her she's well what's so joyful about this i said the opportunity to find out how you've matured to know she handled by the way beautifully was it was so neat to be there and have her for trade the real mess of it she didn't try to impress me with anything she just wanted to share with me i didn't care to impress her with knowledge or anything i just wanted to be there for her to share with me there's a reach every sponsibility that comes with being in an issue it especially if you are initiated to the soul realm a lot of people say i've got it and they split and take off they're going to fall from that because there's a responsibility to those who are coming up underneath you for you to grab a hold sustain be with them show me how they can come across that we're all teachers and travellers to each other and the people that just did it for their own selfish progression you just be the spiritual being and as you move through people those that want you will call out to you they're not going to call out to you on your time according to how you want it they're going to call out according to their need to call when you call would you like god to answer you any time or do you think he should just do a lot of pointless schedules and they do an alphabetical in your name starts with z or do you want to say i'm not sure that he would be able to just reach out and i say oh god help me cause i got y if that's how you want it with you that's how you got to be prepared to give it out to others because it's done to you according to how you do it if you do it loving and caring lee guess how it's being done to loving and caring lee but you do it to yourself so you might not realize that the spirit of god the holy spirit is there with you doing it with you and you might say what difference would it make ups being doesn't make any difference that's why i don't break t things down and talk about the whole separation the compartmental of things i go doesn't matter all the little details of this building doesn't matter regarding this room what matter this room is us what we're doing here in this room and leaving as good or better than we found it and you people here are doing two things one you're supporting me and one you're here saying let the spirit flow through you can get through get it through if you can't do your best if you can't entertain me both ways these things are both ways you never going to be able to serve somebody without having to serve come back to you you're just never going to if it becomes a burden and were some to you go back to your wisdom and ask who you're really good but you had me pinned down i didn't know what to do so i just froze now that i'm off let me scratch your back for let me for you let me and now you're serving each other and it really is god doing unto god the godly things loving caring and sharing but the big thing is touching touching physically emotionally mentally spiritually touching not hanging on just the touch so we can hang on to each other and the only way only we have is our own devotion and that devotion we're going and they say thanks for what tell me to watch or i'm going because i looked away i walked with people they go to fall and i say stop they will i say look around look around see now you can walk again they go why do you do that i say because you can't walk a watch without falling down hurting yourself so i want you to stop when you look then when you learn how to do that maybe i will take one step and then stop in another step to stop maybe you can get up to a run on one and be watching well it sounds strange to hear it done in a little detailed way but that very basic detail is important to the final result that you're going to war those of you who read in school and didn't learn to read real well you didn't improve it that much or the rest the years you still have to struggle with what you're reading and you that didn't do math the way you want to still have to struggle with it but if you sit down with somebody really cared enough to say listen get this down so it becomes automatic is this other thing you're good at you could have put more time into that don't put so much time into spelling words put time into fractions will go to the words you don't know if i now come to the  for pointing out showing me the direction and then seeing that i walked and got it it's not really good for a teacher to get the lesson they already had before they come in they must see that you get it and how what you develop from that is yours merry christmas and happy new year john rogers closing words where they worship a sham which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free booklet about john roger and m s i a call this number one eight hundred eighty nine nine book be oh ok that's one eight hundred eighty nine nine two six six five  to that which is post office box three nine three five los angeles 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