president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about them  let's look at another word service service is a process of expression outwardly services first of all just outward actions it isn't sitting down thinking about what you're going to do it's an outward action the second part of that is that action is moving to a state of harmonious balance harmonious balance would be a perfect state or state of perfecting so the action is moving outward to a harmonious balance to fulfill man's law or spiritual law if you fulfill man's law the end result will be your after again back if you fulfill spiritual law then the service becomes one of your spirit to their spirit the spiritual laws reads like this i come to do that i will lord the laws written in my heart not the h so consequently if you try to do a head number with the idea of being of service it will fall and collapse on you because the negative part of perfection is imperfection and you'll find out all the things that you tempting to serve that aren't worthy of you to serve you join organizations to be of service and then you don't like somebody and they are they are doing this so they aren't doing that so then you enter into a real critical process of what you're tempting to serve and then you come under man's law man's laws this you're fired very simple man's law also does this judgments what a terrible volunteer we have got somebody that we could have paid because that person was a service to us and it turned out to be a disservice so we're looking at just this process of service it's either fulfilling the spirit of the occasion or you get caught up in the functions of the organization every organizations a beast even if it's a husband a wife and a child that's normalization is a beast there it just happens to be the very nature of it unless within that three you enter the spirit otherwise each one's trying to outgun the other one each one is playing one upmanship that always means in the family of three somebody is going to be a loser so man would you want your wife to be a loser or your child to be a loser like nobody  loser no women do you want your husband to be the loser because he's supplying all the income or do you want your child to be a loser none of them then you be the loser and child you want your parents to be the loser the father who's supplying the money for your education or the mother who is get the car keys from your dads you take the car not among them to lose then you're the loser must be a loser if you do it according to man's law would be a loser if you'd go to the spirit of the cage in the living heart comes present and at that point everybody is winning because in that particular idea you are not express anything not ask for anything nor do anything that is not harmonise to the group at that point we say god greens personally in you as you and in the spouse and child as them so it's really advisable then to be in a real high stick of cooperation one of not just cooperating with yourself or somebody else but it's the cooperation with the whole mass in the group that you're involved with and in this group could be limited to th room and then it be to the hotel then the county in the city in the state the world the universe into the great great state of cooperation where you enter into the process of mastery mastery of self inwardly and mastery of self in the outward and then the byproduct of all that is just you're in a state of cooperation or as we say the life forces with you as you you could walk through walls you could float through the air i'm not recommending that for anybody because there are more practical approach what happens though is that service is a process called action is not an action is a process of cooperation into the perfections to bring forward material results in the world that can be shared with all a cooperation towards perfect harmonious balance to bring forward material results that are a political to the group the anyone can deal with we start looking at the key elements inside of the words and what they mean they really seem to have a real appropriate application to what we're doing and i find out all the words do convey what we want them to to convey if we place them in our consciousness as a workable intention for it to do that and if we place it in the other person's consciousness to get it whether we say it or not we're not doing the  we say we're good if you can and i'm still say this way and still of working on the process of saying it so clearly this year the person almost by default has to get it then i think you've probably been of service to the other person prior to that time it's almost like you're grabbed grabbing them by the throat and you're trying to squeeze them into submission as to lift them into the cooperative state there's another process goes with the call responsibility with the direction you're going you have a responsibility with that you have to be informed of that that is the respect of yourself and that that is the respect of others and that it is the respect of the organization and the people that function in that so there is a process here called communication that's inferred by the statement direction with responsibility conveys that you must communicate to people part of the greatest things maybe the greatest sin that we have is when we w hold from other people our love information our joy we just withhold we don't even share the trueness we withhold  and by the very process of withholding to somebody else you also withhold it from yourself because it builds a barrier around the consciousness the focus is outwardly to the consciousness of focuses back yourself now form that you are with this direction and responsibility comes another action that of integrity you have to take the direction the responsibility and integrate it inside of you so that there's only a one in your approach in your direction where you're saying come hail come high water the lawn gets married saturday with the kids or on the lawn don't hurt them cut the lawn around them get what i'm saying the direction the responsibility sure you had the integrity to yourself but that integrity  r the recognition of the other person's right and who they are sometimes we have the work automatically but far too often we don't so the statement of with this integrity it has to be the vision of how you see yourself performing that action not as an imagery of false expectation when it doesn't match up the way that you start it should match up but the vision inside of being joyfully present and yes whatever they say to do it yes yes yes yes and right on to the next thing far  often people take the word vision for the imagining in or putting in the image and i'm not saying that i'm saying it in a wider scope maybe that visions got god in it or the spirit in it something that is just totally lived but what good is all of this without  effect of the enthusiasm then the vision and the integrity and the responsibility in the direction that was placed here for you when you came in allowed the energy to just pile up on top of the new wonder how on earth that happened because it was planned that way but it was more than just a plan there was an action that goes behind it an action that few people look at  at the key to service to try to there in front of you direction for the d responsibility for the our integrity for the v for the vision and the fruit you get dry that's what it takes folks if you're going to have success in this world who won't to come or any other place lot of people get up and go got up and went because they didn't put it in drive be with yourself you see it's easy to sit back in a chair when you're tired and say i'm too tired to do that i'm too tired where's your direction to tired what's a responsibility to tired rest what's the integration of it there is no integration it's a flowing action like water just goes to its and yet will profess to tired and hope that gets the job done a lot of people are coming and getting real clear the basic fundamental process it's called action it's just called that people say well i'm not satisfied with this and i'm not satisfied with that i say what have you done about unless a nothing i'm too tired now it's called action for satisfaction the doing of the i n g of it is very important because as the expressing and the action is the success of the world so it is expressing the success in the world and it's not success at the end result success in we're slowly changing vocabulary for people because when you say words that say dead six he succeeded e were married dead now we're talking about marriage ing and succeeding in success ing and as you say acting but it's not as actioning so like lay it on even again after you think of the do some more after that's what is it the direction the responsibility the integrity the vision deal through z asm and if you can do it backwards if you don't have the drive to start with then do the words to start with let the dr appear who cares either way only you only you we can have empathy which is a process of caring but just the care to care is a dead end result who cares nobody cares but caring means yes i'm with you in this moment of distress and will you please get out of it well if you cared you'd stay with that carrot is dead and care is not quite and caring is in and out of that and go in when you ask somebody what can you do about this they say well i can do this or this is a what are you doing that means the involvement and the action but the word that we're dealing with here is the drive and if we're going to keep within the context of what we're talking then we've got to take it from drive past the driven into the driving action and that means we have to have a format by which were driving if somebody says i'm driving to town and you want to growth me him i wonder what they're driving we could be driving cattle there has to be a format that you can contain it and hold it and utilize it so it doesn't become a waste and a deterioration or that all becomes our choice own individual choice of which we want to go according to god's plan and who knows that a lot of people profess knowledge of the product they use it turns out is a lot of negativity and a lot of success going apart and they get caught up man's law then they try to manipulate people according to the motional mood of the moment and what is loving differ from that because loving starts out with expressing and the action of being and caring and in that it builds a solid foundation sexually physically emotionally mentally and economically soon there but not only that once you get that you stand on it and the mystical quality comes forward that means god becomes present as the living force of breathing in and breathing out as man's law the other is the full feeling and the bringing forward in the demonstrating of it and it's mystical because you can't tell what it looks like a lot of people say oh i don't think it too loving a fact when the people i was talking to recently said yes listen to one of your tapes man were you hos they said no that is nicer than how could it be hostile he said well it was it was it was there was hostility present i said that's just another way of demonstrating the loving and maybe a person had to be shook awake shook awake to shake somebody's awake often doesn't look all that kind does are you you are willing to put your body on the line to be there to show up but your heart's not there is some place else doing something else people who work closely with me because i wanted that to be present with things i'm going to be involved in a lot of people say well i want do this now i want to that i look and i say ok fine their lips grow real close to you and their heart grow far away and they make commitments with the lips they make agreements with the lip and they corrupt it with their mind and their heart aches and pines for the closeness and the loving and the touching and the caring and they lead themself astray with their own  lot of people say well of if you only gave me a chance make your own chance say a word on this is dr make your own does that mean gone be done the doors until they open up now it be a past where you said dr i suggest but you have to have the responsibility dealing with the other person what is your responsibility to them what's the integrity that you have what's the vision was the vision one of seen you sitting at the president's chair what was it you dealing with you got your direction down wrong you were hoping for immediate recognition people i work with say to me well i think john rogers should do this for me and this and this and this and i say yeah you are all full time pay for part time devotion and it doesn't work that way because i can only place the energy in the form that you've given me and i can only place as much energy as you made that form able to contain it so don't go looking at me with the despairing look look into your own beingness and see how you can expand and take up the space that is your body you're so busy worrying about your lusts and your pocketbook and the greens that you have a look to who you are and all that lust and greed in all those other things you do that are killed you have just because you haven't come into your loving process is that loving process is not who you are then just before you get there will comes a great void of despair and doubting and recriminations and hurt and anguish and anything else that negativity can pump on your and if you don't have the drive to get through it if you haven't had enough momentum going to take it cos that gap then you fall back into it and you start back over again zero minus thirty or forty because you see to whom much is given much is expected and you people been given the awareness of your heart and the heart processing and the serving process and the love in the living and the lifting and be lifted process yes much is expected of you but no more then you're going to expect of yourself because that breeds disappointment and that we don't want to deal with really sounds like two and may only sound like one of the sounds like to just take care of yourself and help yourself on those only here to say you didn't hear the important ones take care of others and help taking care of yourself means don't let your emotions or run when doubt comes in despair and sorrow carde you don't have to follow that rock into a supermarket you have to buy everything on the shelf because it's there you can afford it two baskets and you're broke so why buy everything that you do work yourself in your own inner supermarket you don't have to eat that garbage just thrown in the wrong direction just clean it up on their watch what you're doing those people that have committed to the spiritual form that i represent find out that i was already committed back long before they ever got there and i suppose there's nothing i wouldn't do to bring a person into the god conscious state of awareness about themselves fact there's nothing i would do and that limits a lot of things that i do because a lot of things you won't do because i won't bring them into it so they're automatically excluded some people say well you say god what does that mean god means creativity and a mystical fulfillment for manifestation in the world the traveler comes present works is to bring forward the manifestation so you just see it your starts then you find out you look at yourself you see that loving you look at somebody else you see that loving you say i'm you your me and we're just  of energy that is ours to open up and fill ourself with or to sit at the field of plenty and starve because we eat of our own garbage and the leftovers we sit in the state of despair poverty because of well there was told to me real simple i said to my mother  how come there are so many poor people around she says sun poor people have poor ways unloving people have unloving ways they have a depression in your life you're living a depressing li fall that's not the way to go about it use your smarts and your intellect to support you so when they fall out you're still present standing there in the direction responsibility integrity vision and enthusiasm of just being right there and who needs a bunch of smart people use a lot of clever words to support themself but they use it in terms of getting ahead at the disadvantage of somebody else and we're talking about getting ahead with the advantage for someone else how often you don't have to try to recall by said do everything to the your advantage and depression is not and worry is not and poverty is not an attachment and greed is not i'm lying and stealing and all that is not to your advantage because it's not to the next person's advantage and that's how you can tell what you're doing if is to your vantage and their disadvantage watch out you're selfish and you're destroying yourself there's not drive you're being driven to drive you've got to take control and be in the seat to be driven you can be sittin where whatever comes around will just push you does that mean stand up be rigid when the hurricanes and tornadoes come much rather be grass than a palm tree palm trees going to go down and the grass is just going to way back and forward in the staging power the holding in with that when you don't want to when you've got all the right reasons in the world not to do it and everybody in their right mind would say yeah you're smart not to do it it go do it anyway i had every reason in the world not to be involved with any of you people and i disregarded the reasons in you as a same way i disregard the reasons in the every time i had a good reason not to reach out and touch and love because of whatever that was with you i didn't listen to it out anyway was amazing after i reached out the blabber mind shut up i release a lot of people from agreements they have with me just because they will not enter into the covenant of the sacredness of keeping their heart open while they're with me and when they're way from me it's easy to be loving around me because that's about the other way you can get close but i'll tell you something since i am you and you are me and when you leave here and you see somebody else you might just see as both present there also so it'll be ok with me if you're loving to them and they'll give you every reason not to be because after all aren't they your sons and your daughters and your husbands and your wives and your bosses and your enemies i day sure and who do you think needs that more than anyone else no not them you because you're the one carrying the negative energy and the judgment so turn around and open your heart and let it flood to your emotions so you can feel the divine this that you are let it feel the quality of your beingness leave it alone don't try to do something with everything and it's very easy when you love somebody to renounce it how do you see it and they give the direction it's very easy but it's awful hard to ask somebody you don't love for a direction when i want to know what's going on i just look at somebody whose hearts closed down and who i think might be an enemy and i ask them how they see it and i know they're out to get me though jab at me stick it at me be little me curse me and i listen because i also know that in there they're telling me if there's any weak points and need to be build up there also tell me what to watch for out there because it's running loose they're also telling me part of your character's slipped my integrity never never never you see far too often to say i'll never feel this way again i'll never have a love affair like this again my wife's dead she's gone that's it i'll never see her again never believe in never that life is the very drive that you live on can you take the challenges that i have offered you may be a little tantalizing if you do i'll walk the mile with you when you stop i'll take the next step for you john rogers closing where it's where they shan't which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i e dot au r g r right to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for joining us a second born when they decided to put on the creation of the earth and what would happen to score a set up evolution and that people would not have choices they would just evolve through states of being up through genetically up to the state all jeremiah if you listen back to it will talk to you about the time when in the old creation the people were having a council on high and they talked about the earth band and the way it's going to happen and how it's going to be destroyed because of the w because there was nothing to make the person breathe out the genetics moses came in is picking up some of those who had the bad genetics to come out in the desert and rechange the genetic pattern on them so they became the children of god as to just the children of light moses came over here into this so the christ pattern was set in motion and went to set in motion lucifer said you didn't give my mind a chance and the father of light said you did and now we're giving this one a chance this is the second plan there was a first plan a last plan not necessarily a second of the third in the fourth for the particular evolution of all the souls into these particular patterns of incarnation it's about fifteen billion years long now you know that's like saying it's like drops of salt the ocean i know become figure out what that is so you just drop that is like ok it's information in this pattern there we're going to be high points where people would incarnate on to the planet and on these incarnations these would be pinnacles of light where they would once again lift the consciousness back into god instead of the evolved into their own process when jesus came in which let's just call it down here some point since he got it he matured it and took it across into the hells over here these are the hills under lucifer or say and he came across at the time of that this was planned this was a plan this is why satan fights the hell out of it because he says you're going to screw up my plan his plan screwed up is screwed up that's all there is to it so what we have now are people on the evolutionary plan and pieces people who are on the grace plan on this when it is not by our works by our righteousness but by god extending christ down to all of us as a consciousness of love and light and in that there had be someone to bridge a crossed into the other  realm of life that we call the luciferian life that's not a bad life it's just one that for the plan didn't work out too well in that we have the seders in this we have to have peoples in this we have the mixed breeds all all these are over here edgar casey talked a lot about this he just didn't differentiate it real clearly so jesus came and said our bridge across to now lucifer has access to god and walks the and then forgave him and then restored his wife and children his family that means job it's stupid to think that that's going to take the place of the first ones so it's obvious it's a metaphor of life and not just those particular people when he when he came on to the cross he was really same there is a choice the choice is the father's way or there is the choice of the jesus said if i enter into the choice of the christ in the choice of god someone must go across that bridge the creation and he said i'll do it when he was up in the first state in the  spiritual this is i'll do it when he got down here flesh and blood felt really weak and i think all of us can say oh yeah man jesus do you know don't go do that but you got to go do that but don't go do that but you got to go do that but so were all placed in the dilemma of choosing against  but choosing for the higher part so jesus is the enemy wept and cried and said take it from me if you can jesus embrace that one as as the dialogue in the garden gets seventy which makes you wonder how people wrote down because they were all sleep anyway but maybe somebody got a clairvoyantly look back to the cosmic record says here's what went on i'm not going to take that away from him i just have my questions about it and they're not negative questions or very critical though so at this particular time he ends upon a cru xion which was to deny himself the ego personality and bridge across at that point he went into the hells and at that point no one could evolve into the spirit of god except to lucifer and they can do that because he had in prison the prisoners waiting for a new pattern of life in him issue all of these third of the souls of heaven back onto a planet and he would then be god over them which is what he wanted christ said no god is godless for you're my elder brother and there was a fight  there was a rebellion he was cast down but his casting down was a turning away as much as it was now you go do it christ was not cast down he actually  himself birthed himself and lived himself and then died himself and resurrected himself through a power of transcendence which is another word for god at the point he did that all the things that at that particular point were being recorded as feelings i love your bright morning sun you're the firstborn and all that but this is how that came about now that's a metaphysical term for i gave you the metaphysics of it but i have no proof for you like that light's on that lights on this is a black w et it's a marker nevertheless that's that's the way i have the information the way i understand it it's real clean and clear inside of me i know that he's part of the mystical travel consciousness energy which always which is quite amazing th mystical traveler consciousness energy goes just like this christ come down to this level lucifer came down to this level in the mystical traveler embraces all the whole thing so therefore we can't sit here cus this one nor can we sit here and  would say oh you're here you're doing this while you're here doing this and so becomes practical spirituality it's a functional reality how are you going to function with this what you can do with this so now whether you want to accept that jesus did a thing for your sins  he didn't do anything for your karma that's part of this plan and it's called being a being a responsible creator and learn to be a co creator with christ which is what paul said when he said let the is in christ jesus be in you which means there it is it's really available you can have it how do you get it ask jesus said you receive not just ask not so ask in my name so if i want the name of the high side to say jesus christ we've got to forget that everything else flows from then i have to lay out a plan ok jesus here's how we're going to get that guy his are going to get that job so we do instead of using name jesus christ we say for the high school of all concerned and we've wrapped up the whole thing so what we've got we've got a real fail safe margin working here what do we do we can live in this and brace the enemy we can bridge across to have a complete wholeness the holy spirit and resides in all of us and christ becomes that mess and salvation how we go to the heavens the traveler becomes that transport mechanism by which the christ in him performan i'm wondering if you're feeling better now you've been up here for a bit working with us than you were before you came in and no very frankly i feel a hell of a lot worse because all the junks coming my way now john morton got up here and feel hell of a lot better because some of the ge ones and whatever there would be that you might share about know you would like try another question i think that was really hard it's not easy how you talk about something you never talk so you don't know if you're wri you know first of all the silent ones are part of a different manifestation of god's creation and what angels or humans or davey come through there they're different form and if you were to see one movie you'd have to watch it probably a million years before you'd see any movement because there's not a movement filled there's the be they just be they would look an awful lot like triangle maybe the type that suit is one of their a type you might hang on a christmas tree to what's going on in any particular energy field and their jobs are really to hold and maintain and it only takes a few would two maybe three to handle all of this universe and everything that's in it or will ever ever ever ever ever be so a silent one is god's creator when god spoke it was not the silent ones who spoke over the silent ones who amplified the content of that because when god spoke he didn't need anybody else to speak for so the message of the speaking is already done they probably wouldn't go back to redo anything because the very presence of their specialty and their beingness is a constant maintenance of perfection now the perfection by itself is constant except most things that we look at as perfect don't move statues paintings things move have any kind of moving river with snow water animals will not be able to enter into perfection because they're going to be falling apart they're going to be deteriorating and there's going to be a lot of maintenance for that to happen the silent ones because of what they're made to being maintaining ability gives the absolute appearance of purity but there cannot be absolute purity and then the lower levels of creation because pure is not a designation as much as a maintenance process and so we're maintaining the process or stabilizing all the universes and the galaxies in the solar systems it's done by god's will is like god ma e and it's already being done so before god can give a command the very nature of the wish or the presence of god's energy is amplified through the silent ones and becomes absolutely manifest in the most pure state that can be had at that place of manifestation so that it's an agreed upon process to have perfection but maintenance is something that in the very beginning is established to always be and because of it's the stablish meant to always be it always was you can just ride on the perfection of maintenance if we can maintain and keep ourselves at a certain level of perception then we are perceived as perfect but it's a perception of perfect not perfect so it's a maintenance of perfection though we have a very hard time understanding how do i become perfect even as my father in heaven is perfect well if you look at what he made you understand the father of heaven is perfect and that there referencing him as one of the lesser gods that perform the task of bringing all of this together in nabl it to take place so we have to come to a higher state of reference and hitch our bag into that star if you will and then let that star lead us into the higher in the in the leaning in that star is the christ you're talking about doing actually he said and while i get all kinds of visual things happen to me in a series i never hear  here's i mean i can then if i focus on finding a way to describe that to yourself somewhere in there you're going to find that you hear a sound that at the very least you're not sure is physical and you say well i think it's blood rushing across my inner ear or how do you actually know that do you see the blood is it like being at a broken and it's babbling over some rocks as it goes downstream and so rather than assume that you're hearing something that's a mental neurological phenomena and you know and it's a bit like hearing something and then hearing something that you didn't hear before but you realize you were hearing it all along hope that makes sense but it's really it's it's a deeper level of hearing and one of the mental barriers is the sense of i've already heard that that's the same sound i've already heard that and you don't pay attention when you get around people that live and say near an airport or a railroad and you go how can you how can you get anything done with that sounds like what sound that's in fact there  comes again what are you talking about and like how do they do that how do they not hear that when it's so loud to you because they disassociated with it and  worked it so that they don't register it and just consider that we've done that with the sound current that if we were really hearing it it's so loud it's like we that kind of thing and and then you realize well for the longest time i just heard of this silence the wise ones have said it's in the silence so that's one place to listen to