we have a long history of successful steel construction in this country and in fact the world i one of the great successes is that under normal fire conditions we don't have building collapse in fact until eleven i was unaware of any protected steel structure that had collapsed anywhere in the world in change and tomorrow and the day after that they after that in days and years to come and look at the calendar and remember september eleventh two thousand and one it is a date that will be etched in history engraved in stone and in our memories of people work we have no idea what caused this if you wish to bring anybody who's ever watched a building ten thirty i tried to leave the building but it soon as i got outside i heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust i ran inside the buildings the chandelier and again black smoke filled the air within another five minutes top of the building just blew up and pointers of debris are falling on the we just saw that as well the second tower the only one that was standing tower number one just we saw some kind of explosion a lot of smoke coming out of the top of the tower and then it collapsed out onto the streets below the f b i is here as you can see they had built this area off they were taking photographs and securing this area just prior to that huge explosion that we all heard and the streets of the financial district covered with debris in some cases ankle deep cars on fire cars just burned by the fourth of the explosion it was like something no one had ever seen foot model panels that want walls loose from the from the wall the trade center i go downstairs the foreman tells me to go to remove the containers as i'm walking by t to building in the car to that's when i got blown hume's i mean the impact of the explosion whatever happened it threw me to the floor and i was when everything started happening and you have two hundred ten story office buildings you don't find a desk you don't find a chair you don't find a telephone a computer the biggest piece of a telephone i found was half of the keypad and it was about this big if the building collapsed to dust anybody need a doctor just been a huge explosion we can see the billowing smoke rising and i can i'll tell you that i can't see that second tower but there was a cascade of sparks and fire and now this it looks almost like a mushroom cloud explosion this billowing smoke in the second tower this was the second of the two towers here and i you know i cannot see behind that salt obviously you can't either has collapsed building has collapsed hearing to fall away from the rest of the building can go to the tape now here we go right here this is i mean when you look at it the building has collapsed that tower just came down it looks like one of those scenes of an old building being you know purposely dynamited and blown up i spoke to the cheapest safety for the new york city fire department we have received word the possibility of a secondary device that is another bomb going off things that there were actually devices that were planted in the building again and i know that for many of you you've heard this a lot but i i think it's important as people join us as they do in moments like this they are coming in all the time that there have been attacks in two american cities new york in washington the trade centers here in new york have been hit by airplanes in washington there has there is a large fire at the pentagon the pentagon has been evacuated and there is you can see perhaps the second tower the front tower the top portion of which is collapse the good lord there are no words can see large pieces of the building falling you can see the smoke rising you can see a portion of this to the side of the building now just being covered on the right side as i look at it covered in the second tower that's coming down and this was a similar situation  when you think that the part of the component of news coverage around the country every year is the excitement and the fun that people get watching an old building being demolished and they wired very carefully for days and it's a very careful  to make sure that a building comes down safely i think the last one we saw was when they brought down one of the old seaman's in las vegas i mean this is just stunning to see these things come down the ground back alive we have had literally take a look at about an hour ago world trade center building number seven collapsed a forty two story building no word of any towers of these in the building it was the one calamity that was not a surprise there member getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they are going to be able to contain the fire as you know we've had such terrible loss of life in this mine a since dos is polling and they made that decision stunning statement from a b y u professor nie regarding nine eleven he thinks planes alone did not bring down the world trade center towers both towers collapsed in place after terrorist attacks and later that day world trade number seven which was never hit by a plane fell in less than seven seconds primal way he spoke to the professor today in just the roof of the wells fargo center a crazy theory brian or any validity to that well professor steven jones got an email today asking are you some kind of neck case and actually he's written academic paper for peer review it's been well received he says among his colleagues that the why you it is essentially this the buildings fell on september eleventh not from planes but from explosives that were intentionally seared in our minds we saw the planes hit the explosions and fire so hot fortress towers could not stand stephen jones says not so fast they're sticking with this one positioned in the buildings break down especially intriguing to jones world trade center number seven damage in a blaze from tower debris but never hit by a plane symmetrically doesn't topple over as you might expect from what we call the second law of thermodynamics comes straight down this is the goal of prepositioned explosives in a controlled demolition if explosives detonated like  begs the question who set the explosives or and i try not to go there too much because we have to answer the first question first the scientific issue first we need to consider all options before the collapse of the film and let the chips fall where they may but jones says that models conducted in tests since nine eleven have not been able to duplicate what happened to the buildings he is not saying that this is a proven theory he says in fact that it's a hypothesis but do you want a fresh new independent investigation mark that you definitely didn't think about the o'brien all right thanks a lot the collapse of the twin towers and building number seven had to have been examples of controlled demolition brought about by thousands of explosives placed throughout each of the buildings no foreign terrorists could have the pain the kind of access to the buildings this would have required one reason for concluding that the three buildings were brought down by explosives the very fact that they did collapse highrise steel framed buildings have never before or after nine eleven been caused to collapse by fire even when  in the philadelphia fire of one thousand nine hundred nine and the madrid fire of february of this year the fires were much larger much hotter and much longer lasting than any of the fires in the world trade center the second reason is the specific nature of the collapse of each feature of which points to explosives for example the buildings collapsed straight down and virtually freefall speed as in controlled demolitions and then the rubble smouldered for months afterwards with regard to the twin towers in particular many people in the building said that they saw they felt or heard explosions virtually all the concrete of these enormous thousand feet and see if it polarizes into very fine dust it won't happen much of this dust along with steel and aluminum was blown out horizontally from the buildings several hundred feet most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections about thirty feet volume conveniently ready to be loaded on to trucks the theory of controlled demolitions is evidence of a deliberate cover up if the building steel columns and beams had indeed been broken by explosives an examination of the steel would have revealed this fact however although it is normally a federal offense to remove anything from a crime scene the steel was quickly loaded on to trucks and put on ships headed for asia to be melted down i will mention one more example of the cover up in so far as there is an official story as to why the towers collapsed it is the pancake theory according to which the floors above the destruction caused by the airplanes collapsed on the floor below and then those floors collapsed on the floor below that and it pancaked all the way down now even if this theory were remotely plausible can you imagine it  the other problem is what happened to the forty seven massive steel columns that constituted the core of each of these two n towers they were the weight bearing structures of each tower those forty so even if the pancake theory were true those forty seven steel beams should have been sticking up at least several hundred feet into the air just like the old phonographs where sometimes the seventy eight records would collapse but the spindle still sticking up in the air he said had forty seven spendable still sticking up in the air well what did the nine eleven commission report do about that problem it avoided the problem incredibly by simply denying the existence of these columns even though those columns i'm not making this up cars these columns were the unique feature of these towers when they were first built so the commission report after saying falsely that most of the weight of each tower was borne by the steel columns in its exterior walls this supposedly authoritative report said the interior core of the building was a hollow steel shaft in which elevators and stairwells were grouped such a desperate lie is a sure sign of a cover up in any case when we look at all these features of the collapses the idea that they could have been caused by the impact of the airplanes plus the resulting fires is ridiculous this is even clearer with regard to building number seven which wasn't hit by any airplane and yet it came down about five thirty that afternoon its collapse remains so impossible to explain except as controlled demolition that the nine eleven commission report did not even mention it  collapse of a forty seven story building was not worthy of comment and it only had fires on floors number seven and twelve forty seven stor thank studied physics at mit i did electrical engineering for about eight years had quite a bit of practical engineering experience when i first saw the collapses i was absolutely convinced that they were not spontaneous one of the first things that i did was to speak with one of my patients who is a retired army corps of engineers fellow who's done a lot of demolition and construction showed him some of the public sourced videos that are available  it and he immediately pointed out that there were squibs switch represent little puffs of smoke essentially coming out of the buildings initially which were clearly a sign of controlled demolition he had no opinions beyond that but he said without without  doubt that it was a controlled demolition that sort of set me on the path of continuing to examine it and trying to gather as much evidence as i could and the question i pose what don't we know and why don't we know it is sort of addressing the fact that at this point we still do not really have a meaningful explanation for what happened to the buildings we have had several studies at this point which i will go into as to trying to determine a plausible scenario for the collapse as of this point none of them have presented us with anything that i think could be reasonably called convincing and detailed account of why the collapses occurred and the question that's been addressed previously the enormous destruction of physical evidence as chris was saying the site was it was scrubbed very thoroughly out of the entire mass of the buildings that were destroyed the national institutes of standards and technology who are now doing the ongoing investigation managed to save about two hundred two hundred forty pieces out of the entire building all of the rest of it was was basically recycled you know the obvious question is what what does it mean that there was a controlled demolition at the simplest level it means that someone had a lot of access to the buildings over a long enough period of time to set this up it implies as many other things have tonight that the people who had effective control of the site had an interest in having it scrubbed and making sure that no information was available that if a forensic reconstruction couldn't be done even in much smaller catastrophes we typically will reconstruct things as as as completely as possible for example t w a flight eight hundred was constructed was read the pieces were dragged off to the bottom of the sea a complete reconstruction was done to allow the detailed analysis in this case the exact opposite was done the first report that was really issued on this was issued by fema in collaboration with the american society of civil engineers that was basically a volunteer team from a c e that had very limited access to the site a lot of the pieces that they were able to retrieve were retrieved by going to landfills and trying to find interesting pieces before they were  the initial fema report basically acknowledged that the kerosene would have burned off very quickly what wasn't destroyed in the initial fireball would have been consumed fairly rapidly and would have only really served as an ignition for the rest of the material and the second point being that the the fuel here really was strictly off its contents if you think of a modern office with copying machines computers and as has been previously mentioned of the smoke particularly from building to just before it collapsed was was very black looking this is generally an indication of an inefficient fire in which there is not enough oxygen for the amount of fuel these types of fires typically burn very cool day they are not hot flames like blow torches the cores themselves basically if you've seen diagrams of the building there is a large central rectangle in each of the towers that contained forty seven columns and these columns basically were the primary structural support of the building they were given the role of supporting the the whole gravitational load of the building since they were so strong it would have been reasonable to think that they would have withstood at least to some extent the collapse but in fact as we see after the buildings collapsed there was basically only little stubs of these things standing up the floor to above the ground level the cores did not have much in them that would burn the cores basically were dedicated to things like elevator shafts utility shafts stairways so you have dry wall material you have a little bit of carpeting you don't really have any inflammable material in the core itself core was specifically designed so it could not function as a chimney they did not want in the case of a fire for the fire to be able to travel through the elevators or for air to come in through the elevators so they were designed with with this architect air and sw who was referred to as a hermetically sealed system there were fire shutters that were designed to close off the core in the event of an event like this and those as far as we know functioned properly which means that there was a very limited amount of oxygen available case where is the issue of what failed and how some of the initial suggestions in these showed up in the know the documentary which is a good example of what i like to call proof by a computer animation thomas e gar who is a materials scientist but not a structural engineer who became a spokesman for these documentaries indicated that the floors had somehow failed that the trusses supporting the floors ha failed this was the theory that was put forward actually in the initial fema report subsequently there have been basically complete contradictions of that jim hofmann has done quite a bit of research which is available on the web concerning the the problems with this idea that the floors would have simply fallen there was a study done by the wide linger associates the chief engineer there was mathis levy who is a very well known authority on building collapses he specifically disavowed the idea of paying caking or collapsing of the floors and the most recent official report we have on this which is from the national institutes of standards and technology and i rejected the idea that floor collapse was part of it and so as as a result we have basically no sequential model at this point what and i asked he has suggested is that there was some kind of simultaneous collapse of the cores but they have not attempted to give any kind of modeling as to whether those cores could have in fact been destroyed by the fires in the way that they claim unfortunately the material that would have allowed a detailed fire analysis the actual physical evidence is all gone one of the most significant things to to my thinking is that indicates that this could not have been the sort of collapse that we are told it was  the presence of the dust clouds and as you've seen in the pictures and i'm sure all of this has seen probably more than we would like there were very very large clouds of very thick dust that envelop the area that crossed the river that made it almost all the way to new jersey from the pictures that i've seen this type of flow is something that we are familiar with in physics it occurs in only two situations that we know of  naturally one is in the can a corruptions where a large amount of material is suddenly exploded into the air and basically forms small particles the other situation is something called her ability occurrence these occur along the edges of the continental shelves where mud or sediment will slump become suspended in water and the common thread is that you have large amounts of a dense material that is suspended very quickly in the fluid thereby creating another denser fluid which is in effect the dust cloud and that fluid can achieve considerable velocities the problem with creating this sort of slurry of fin particles is that there really is no mechanism that has been proposed we have concrete floors with carpeting or flooring over them we have furniture we have floors basically that are coming together in a collapse but the concrete is basically protected under these layers early in the collapse in the very first moments we see these thick clouds being ejected at very high speed they're clearly dense because they flow downward and become part of this large overall pirate plastic flow that we're basically being told is that the concrete sort of jumped up into midair exploded it's elfin then was ejected as the floors came together not a very plausible mechanism but i have yet to hear of anything else proposed to explain it from quite a few people on the scene we've been told that the powder represented most of the concrete that the amount of intact macroscopic chunks of concrete on the scene were negligible that basically everything was reduced to powder and incidentally we also know that other things besides concrete were reduced to powder we know that contents of computers exotic metals from computer chips these sorts of things were were also identified in the dust and in very small particles is generally on the order of less than one hundred microns in diameter so we have a real issue of mechanism as far as what in the in the process of this collapse could cause so many things to be pulverized so finally for the cow the towers to collapse the way we saw them collapse basically implies that the columns simply collapsed into themselves the telescope straight down steel keeps a lot of its structural integrity even even when he did until you begin to approach the melting point you don't really see a catastrophic loss of strength and this is what we're talking about we're talking about basically vertical box columns collapsing into themselves which implies a complete loss and in the capital strength and as far as the initial impacts this recent study made an interesting point about world trade centers to the film analysis showed that it also waited for about four minutes after it was struck by the airplane and the oscillation rate was identical to what would be expected for the intact tower trade center towers and most modern buildings are heavily redundant in the sense that the load bearing can be shifted to other members if some of them fail and we saw that happen in this case stresses do redistribute but absent further weakening of the structural numbers that distribution is is limited it happens the structure re stabilizes and unless there's significant hurt or damage it doesn't progress to a total collapse world trade one began collapsing from the very top after an hour and forty minutes it's very hard to imagine office contents progressively heating up higher hotter and hotter over that period of time and for a building to collapse from the very top which is the least heavily loaded is also odd to say the least just a couple of other anomalies as we know there are reports of explosions there were reports of underground explosions in both of the towers at the time of the impact from a building engineer by the name of philip mirali there are interviews with him on the web from the node a brother is still nine eleven we see that the lobby of the north tower was extensively damaged with with looks like high expl blast damage and this was immediately after the plane but we know that on the weekend before there were power downs and there appear to have been evacuation drills going on throughout the previous week which suggests that at least some people  knew that something was happening the power downs may represent a time window in which demolition charges would have been planted although i think it's possible that they also were planted over a much longer period of time and given the relative accessibility of the buildings ok that's all i have to say thank you you jeff king thank you very very much good morning i'm neal hein and it is unprecedented that i would get e mail about a for the record program before the program even aired but that was the case in the twenty four hours before we taped the show friday afternoon as i received several e mails of both support an outrage from people who had simply heard kevin barrett was to be my guest such is the passion generated by mr barrett's views on the events of september eleventh two thousand and one the most recent event of which i'm aware is the resolution signed by sixty one state legislators calling for the u w to fire mr barrett kevin barrett is my guest this morning with the very thank you very much for joining me it's good to be with him my question is shouldn't be simple enough to provide the evidence that would support the claims of the government i mean there should be plenty of physical evidence and there well it depends which claims you're talking about personally i think that the real core of the whole nine eleven question is the issue of whether the three world trade center buildings were demolished with explosives or whether they fell down for some other reason such as being you know damaged by a plane crashes or fires and i think that at this point the evidence is in anybody who's kept up  with the critique of the official story in this area knows that at this point the evidence just you know is very convincing that all three buildings were taken down with explosives and controlled demolitions for the government to try to disprove that at this point or to try to support its case i think would be very difficult because you know they hid all the evidence they prevented any kind of forensic investigation all the steel was shipped off as fast as possible to china and melted down for scrap so it was impossible to test the scale steel for signs of explosives fortunately some remains and professor steven jones has got his hands on multiple sources worth of steel and he's run tests and he's found traces of thermite a in the hands version of thermite which is an explosive device that can take out steel cut right through it through butter i think that at this point no rational person who looks at the evidence can argue against the proposition that the three world trade center buildings the twin towers and seven especially were taken down in controlled demolition that i think is by now proven beyond a reasonable doubt as david griffin has said and is everybody has looked into it i think from a fair minded perspective agrees are you worried that your short changing your own career that you're you know you will have difficulty pursuing your chosen field by virtue of the controversy you know i think what i'm doing is angling on the long term in the short term and they have some problems they might be a little harder to get rehired next semester maybe not though i think a sooner than most people realize nine eleven is going to blow wide open if you report doesn't stand up to scrutiny it's very simple and he trained academic anybody with any critical thinking skills at all can read the official report and read david ray griffin is refutation and the report just falls to shreds now anybody who's willing to live with that report as the official record of the most important event of our century has no business calling themselves in the intellectual or a teacher or anything i mean it's that obvious that the government may be covering up what really happened on september eleventh so many e mails coming in we've been really overwhelmed say between the e mails the blogs the websites everybody is writing and talking about it charlie sheen made the comments during a hard to believe interview on a radio show and don't move because just a moment the host of the radio show the guy who actually spoke with sheen is going to join me live here on showbiz tonight but first let's get you up to speed on the latest developments when you look at stuff especially our e mail inbox immediately started to overflow and the coverage on showbiz tonight is getting a lot of attention the website nine eleven blogger calls showbiz tonight's coverage quote the first time a major news station has covered nine eleven questions in any reasonable format it all started with a radio interview sheen gave to g c and radio network host alex jones a cult hero of sorts to nine eleven conspiracy theorists during the interview sheen made clear that he backs jones views  theorist on this particular issue it seems to me like you know one thousand amateurs with box cutters taking over for commercial airliners and hitting seventy five percent of their targets that feels like a conspiracy theory she'd also made another shocking suggestion that we may not know the full story about the collapse of the world trade center i have a hard time believing that a fireball traveled down the elevator eleven hundred feet and still h with your age i can only dream about my parents split enough to start the hit sitcom two and a half men sheen a scene weekly by about ten million people and many of them may end up paying attention to his controversial comments on nine eleven my next guest is a man who no introduction he is the host of sunday news program meet the press tim russert thanks for joining us on deadline live a real pleasure to be here tim do you know that morgan reynolds former chief economist the department of labor under george w bush has come out and said he thinks nine eleven was an inside job so has ray mcgovern cia analysts have both bush and reagan paul craig roberts deputy secretary of the treasury father of reaganomics and among others lieutenant colonel bob bowman who was a former director of advanced space programs development under ford and carter and this is a pretty heavy weight people these are conspiracy theorist the and these are some heavy weight people that work under these major administration i leave their judgments and opinions to them and i obviously have done my reporting and and offered the truth as i see it a lot of people would like to learn more about this obviously i don't think we got everything out of those investigations the nine eleven investigations that we would need in order to determine the horse that's pretty important stuff don't you think him well is it possible we can have you get one of these guys on your  agencies that was down i do believe that there was some sort of explosive device somewhere else besides the planes hitting