from los angeles california is that which is with john roger that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awaking the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of n y c the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years th seminars and titled can we have a relationship with god right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement this is a dear jr after going to the doctor wednesday for just when i have gone into very bad pain again my body is so weary of pain i'm afraid i'll freak out if i had this pain was dying i believe i could bear for it was my way to leave this planet and go to the places reserved for me but i'm not i'm living and it's almost too hard to bear please help me know i'm not alone that was april twenty fifth on april twenty eighth i got a letter from the same person having the same severe pain that i had been having the past just as severe as i can remember it was it was a terrible blow to me and one that i really do not understand i have called out to you for help and to let me know that i am not alone last night i saw you come to me in my dream state you came up to the porch where i lived as a child and there was a lot of people waiting there for you you came over to me put your hand on my head and ran it over my face feeling my teeth close together and told me i was very tense then you took my hand and led me away from the rest and down a not too dark or not too long passage holding my hand all the way and then we came out of it and went to a sort of fast food place with other people there and you said let's sit down here and be close all the time holding my hand and then i woke up still feeling your right hand in mine and the feeling lingered there a long time picked up my hand and kissed your hand i not means that you will leave me and i pray i never lose track of it that you're there with me holding my hand down the passageway that i will make it for i am never alone the travers with me holding my hand god bless you i have never loved you so much as i love you to day her typewriting pretty good th xerox it was kind of faded to read then that a beautiful letter still got painful because they have to be a karmic thing to purify consciousness and maybe comes to an end often people hear letter like that and they say well you know i have pain too and when do i get my pain relievers like when you get your understanding that that pain is not your enemy that your pain must be treated the same way as your love is treated now we all know how to treat love really well it's like oh that's fantastic what about that pain can we see in the midst of the pain like it hurts like but oh that's fantastic it's it's it's hard not talking about the pain for somebody steps on your tone you want to hit him in the nose now that's usually over by the time him in the nose we're talking about this pain that just seems to ranch the very last breath out of you and if we can and i use the word can endure through the pain and not come up with hatred then that pain will be used to show us the faults inside of us because it is the false inside of us that is holding to the pain and if we leave you hate the pain too fast we will not look at the fault and therefore we do not enter into our own salvation because we have to clear the fault we have to clear it but all the time we're getting the clearing grace is sitting there saying keep on keep on keep on i have another one that i want to read it to you because the person is on the theory commish it and almost into a soul conscious as i read this the description you say oh yeah oh yeah beloved again words are so in adequate my heart is full and i want to share it with you i'm home again each time it is more beautiful today when i was almost drowning in bliss you heard me on i experienced the strength that took me beyond the motional joy higher and higher until i dissolved into serene purple light strong and steady like a magnificent diamond and it was as though this spiritual power was extended to all mankind and time stood still all was one the incredible love that has been extended to me from so many sources on all levels in the past week is so richly rewarding i am indeed last i won't say that i am unworthy but i am so humbly grateful if i can do this many others can there are so many beautiful souls with so much to give for so many years i felt like the prodigal sons brother and that's little switches that we used to feel like the prodigal son because that's the classic character this was not easy to understand and to learn to accept i know how it feels now to be the prodigal son the great joy given to each one as he returns home no cry goes unheard nor tearin seen by the loving father who loves all of his creation and you beloved i have seen joy in your face that could light the world i feel that i am about to be born only the beginning there is a beautiful soul  a beautiful loving soul hurting a bit then mentions her name i love her so would you look in on my son and granddaughter in lists others and do what you can thank you love god bless  when you start getting into the you know area where the words no longer are the words when you're in a spiritual path where there's a community of souls the sats you inside of you find yourself going past the words as i read them it's like jr but the word is so totally an adequate to what happened as you said it that's the spirit it is just using the words as a vehicle for us to give our attention to the here now in this that i spoke about last night and then it starts moving through this i sometimes i find a hard to contain my emotions when i get touched with the spirit of people's words as they share that loving consciousness but i'm learning this is one i would like to share with you because it was written by a young man dear john roger one time a few weeks ago i wrote you a letter and momentarily i felt and heard inside myself a wind like sensation that i feel was a touch into or bridging with or working with an open channel to god if felt like i touched to the deepest why dissed on longest force i've remembered well now i know it it's my truth john roger this morning i used my imagination and i saw you and i in the meditation room upstairs and you gave me an initiation i couldn't imagine what that is but the feeling was marvelous i think it was an imagination some days i feel like i'm not ready for what it's all about another days i know i'm not some days i feel like i'm not ready for what am i say is all about another days i know i'm not hungry but always your great love mystifies me nudges me and sometimes caresses me and sometimes rocks me john roger i don't feel i understand much at this time but the thing i understand most is that i think you're a great man and perhaps right now you're not so please because maybe don't like to be called great but i mean great like in oceans of love experience and knowledge that was really true i read it again but i mean very like an oceans of love experience and knowledge i think i love you i mean i know i love you but not like my love for and then he lets his girlfriend's name exactly it's different i am so imperfect i do love you i don't know how you are working with me and what that means in experience but thank you thank god and please continue when you say let us put our hearts together i know the way one knows i am lucky to hear your voice to know of you i think i have all the weaknesses possible in mankind but i want to be strong and go home i want you to be my teacher i want to please you and god to receive to know john roger sometimes i'm even afraid i remember now sometimes from the true self tape please send me the light and work with me for my highest good here are a couple short poems for you i do an angel in a moment i see you now the second here i stand spread wing smiling father here i am that was way too short wife and i went to see jesus christ superstar i liked it and the funny thing about it was that you were on my mind throughout the whole show last night at a seminar we played god in the human form something nice happened a force or consciousness or openness touch to me and although it had nor form or face i called it jesus some part of me cried the name jesus i felt filled and surrounded with it with initial rush when the initial rush subsided i was left with the simplest confession offered by the same part of me the dent of fi jesus the confession i have sinned much followed with yes i am loved much i blew out the candle after the sled and started my h use it occurred to me that to focus in on the subtler quieter place that the h u brings to me all i have to do is breathe into that new place  it occurred to me that to focus in on the subtler quieter place that the h you brings me to all i have to do is breathe into that new place great key so i started this and after the hue took me more and more or less and less i would breathe into that new place and focus in there after a little bit i saw a light whew breath whew breath it got closer and no kidding it was just like the bless of mother holding a baby my body started to shake as a dozen situations like this but i had a lot of help so i was focusing closer and seemed to blend right into her or him or it i want to talk so i moved back to focus close but blending into it again which was ok with me thanks for your guidance and subtle hand i feel your present a lot now was what i experienced the angel asked to know more about was the bless of mother please forgive my lack of the sometimes my basic needs to know i guess thanks again and again and again for you living love the paradox of this letter is right in the midst of spiritual this it's the doubt he does is this the biggest thing that i have to work with in terms of negativity of the doubt if it were just what i call help the doubt like well let's see but usually it's wrapped up in the negativity of judge mentalism i'm not good enough to have a vision i'm not good enough to have a spiritual experience and you're not good enough to bring it to me and neither is anyone else so we have the eternal paradox i like it i  as long as it's in the realm of a stepping stone in our advancement off to the distant it is the very process that brings us to our downfall i was reading that people who receive a born again feeling or who have accepted jesus as their personal savior or whatever the term it is that they're involved with kneeling at the cross the blood of jesus or whatever those terms are that they then feel because of this upsurge of energy that they have a direct continuous tie him and that may be true it doesn't always manifest that way and so they don't receive the guidance when they get very discouraged and back out of christianity but you know something the hindus do messiahs do the christians do the buddhist do everybody does that because we lose track of one particular basic fact that's involved with this planet and that that it is that it is a negative planet and belongs to lord of negativity so therefore the body the emotion the mind the unconscious are all up for grabs with what we could call classically the devil we call it the call power negative power looked at another term as an angel on the path that keeps you on the path or devours you so you can look at it in a lot of ways i look at as a guidepost like don't go over there it's got a mad dog stella's territory the reason he's got up there is because he thinks of something great so let him have it but if you ever get a chance to get close all he's got over there is mad dog is a bunch of dog doo here so it's not worth it anyway i mean there's no way you can win but he'll try to make you think the grass is very green it isn't just looks that way in the movement when we enter into well why would this take place let's look at it in terms of is there an answer sure i'm going to give you one then i always know yes but sometimes that's an answer and what is the answer i don't know well that's an answer isn't popular is not healthy but that's the way it is if you don't like that to the door swings in the door swings out in some walk in some walk out and that's life too if we enter into that moment of grace where the energy is coming to us and we're moving towards it it's a reciprocal pattern which is the basic law of the planet l reciprocity when the energy that we are is going up in the energy of god essence is coming down we meet and in that moment grace becomes a part of our being this god becomes a very personal direct of tory experience and at that moment we have the knowing of knowing and it's nice but if we do not use that energy to dive back into our beingness as a corporal form and look at the errors that we have created and perpetrate upon ourselves then we have not used that energy to his divine greatness because those habit patterns will cycle back on the sigyn and overtake us and that moment when we sleep when we do not stay where we do a week or so we have to take advantage of the opportunity that god gives us by way of extending energy to give us the strength the determination the will power in that moment to dive into the repository of our beingness and surface the errors and repent and it takes the strength of god in order to repent  you can't do it from your own mind your own motions your own body because look how often we failed we were saying i want it i do want to say i think i'll do it because i can even trust that that's right and i would say don't la trust in that for trust must be earned you can certainly love and watch it but to trust it to trust your mouth with it's nonsense of your mind in your motions is fool's paradise in that moment we go in grace is extended to us at its great moment not at the moment where we fear feel the  saltation and upliftment and who needs grace everything's fantastically beautiful and fine even though grace is that process that has alteration in but it's when we get away from the group action and we get along with our little karmic thoughts and our habitual secretiveness is that we do behind closed doors either alone or with anybody who will join us and if they're not there we can do it in our mind or our motions and we enter into the secret hates and the secret lusts and greeds and ever says that moment friends when you're by yourself is when you need god's grace more than any other time he really don't need it in a group like this because the energy of the spirit is present that's when you need to have a connection with the spiritual form that you are so that you can pull from that energy down through the mind the emotion of the body the unconscious and grab ahold of your muck and mire or as we say grab yourself by the bootstraps and pull yourself and it's not easy if we have spiritual songs to sing we can rejuvenate the energy of the room and pull from the energy in the room if we have discourses we can sit into the discourses read them and generate the energy from the from the written word if we have tapes we can listen to tapes and get the spoken word energy if we can move into that power of the word of god has been placed inside of us in the spiritual form and poldi energies forward in poland forward until we can just reach out and grab hold of things and not with the will but with the very beingness that we are change it but when we change it we must give it up you can't change it and hang on to it or you will corrupt yourself the same way you did in the beginning when you first per took of the temptation and fail but you can't just walk away from it when it's ingrained in your consciousness for in that last breath when you go to leave this planet that will be unfinished business that your turn and your focus back on that and die in the habit and you didn't want to and so we have to gain the strength to see the face of god by looking at our own dark side and loving it by changing it and the sad thing here that often happens is that you'll know what it is but your lover hopefully it's your husband or why they should be your lover as well as being married you hopefully they will keep their mouths shut when they discover it in you because they will then grab the boil of your unfoldment squeeze it too soon and of the erupts inwardly and the severe pain goes through your body and then you feel like they've castigated you and you want to run from them because you weren't ready to have that boil open you were waiting for it to nurture so you when you got it you could get it all because you know when it was coming and they in their greatness of tempting you of how great they are went after it too soon now we hate the very thing that we love isn't a paradox but it happens i see if you truly love each other and we really truly should love each other so that we can be recognized as disciples of god so truly not in that overt manifestation of hustling people off the street to show me love him but leave  alone on the street to show me love him and just love them as you walk by let them say what was that from moment beauty came into my life let them ask the questions that will lead them into their own being and if they find that in you don't look back or they'll think that you're tempting them for the wrong reason just keep on walking and if they catch up to you then they can ask you the correct question then enter into conversation with the verbal but that verbal conversation will start the corrupting unless it's preceded superceded and translated into a living love that just comes from you that's a hard one to do because our mouth wants to show what we know after and we don't even know we know it until we say it then we say look how intelligent but i am did you hear what i said was so magnificent let's now build a temple here will worship god in this spot and we're right back to the old bible things when he said forget the temples forget the rocks forget the nonsense and let's get down to god's business for the temple of god is you the tabernacle not because i say so not because the holy scriptures say so but they do technique new your ability but made flesh and since god is no respecter of you it chose to do well in you and that's the greatest la of this whole cosmic joke because the bible says anybody who adds to this religious scripture is the work of the devil and i've been adding to it until he over for the simple reason is that when john wrote that he was saying don't write any more on this book of revelation but right in the book of revelation is tate's exactly the thing we do and says and i was shown these things and i don't know if i were taken up in the spirit or not but you can darn well better your boots when you've been taken into the spirit and you see that you know that he was to you then you say sure that temple the new jerusalem as described the bible is that great city in summer land up in the high astr plane let's describe beautifully in the book of revelations and not somebodies fantasy or magination and you get to see it then lo and behold you'll say wow how come how come that jesus didn't teach what you've been teaching because all of the disciples who wrote for the great book said all the things that were taught to us could not be placed in books there wouldn't be enough books so what happened to those teachings my friends where are the hidden teaching they are being given to you are being given to you daily all the time who says check the teachings out and find out for yourself and if you want to know you have to have the strength to endure the habits of your body that will keep you here to bust free and change yourself and enter into the spirit that you are and that spirit will lift you back to that that created it and classically we call that god and i can't even argue with that i could only do a pedantic point of view or that this is the pedagogic point of view and get some book and region other scripture to refute it but why should i refute the very truth that is by some book that has no more truth in it than the last person that interpreted the classic copout is those people who are inspired of god at that time we are inspired of god too because that god is living today as much as before and that's what we have to keep in mind that god is eminently present here and now today yesterday who cares tomorrow who cares today is the day that god has created and the one to miles one you've created of the time that we're in and that's the good news interesting thing jesus said while i am in the world i am the light of the world and he spoke from the physical form and left then happened to that life what happened then to that great feeling that transcends all things and brings us into awakening even intellectually to recognize somebody is nonsense when we hear and to recognize the for the commandment said to love god with all your heart tell your mind with all your soul with everything that you have in ten to love god and to love your neighbor as yourself and that means that one who was crucified himself in his error in his sin whatever you want to call it that one gets the love too because he didn't say don't love those who do evil things need to love more than those who are doing righteousness you need more grace when you're in the very bottom of the pits than you need when you're on the high peaks talking to god because when you're with god god is enough that's sufficient when you're in the bottom that's when you need the grace and that's why you see a lot of people who have gone to the pits of despair through drugs through alcohol you name it and they've been the very bottom and they'll tell you they did things that they would you want to discuss or talk about to write about except the holy spirit conviction of your sin and you confess it to your mouth just to get it out and one last final look like yes i was a drug addict and i mainline and i shot it and i snuffed it and i was drunk in the meantime and i stalled was nothing to still i made lies about it so they think i was a bigger thief than i was because there must be hon to whom has little even that's taken and who has much here but it gives you more is not strange the darn law of spirit works in so many ways so how can we possibly pigeonhole denominational approach but except to give god free reign in everything we do and let god have his way with us and let us have our way with god by entering into those things that will take us to that and the only way we know short of psychic speculation is to enter into the process that will reveal to us the steps of our unfoldment and we become one with that that we are the atonement is the one month and that's great those become great days we just watched him say of thank you god praise the lord we want to do all the praising hallelujah until we just don't know if we could voice it but it says right in the psalms that god lives in the praises of his people but i don't think he said i live in their mouth as they say it and we can praise god from our heart from our mind from our motion from our body because it says to love god with all the heart mind most all that's praising god that loving consciousness when there's nothing but good or god can we say about our god when we can say here is a wra god just to reveal to you your habitual mistakes because you weren't smart enough to pick up when the grace was extended and the love was shown to you so it pushed your nose in it do you like it you say no is it in you know where it is you can get out of it so you will maybe  used to it you probably will you got used to all your other errors enjoy yourself what's the say the tables been prepared the feast to set before you you can just eat and eat but i don't think of that food you're going to make it the if you're going to find that you've come up short in the moment of calculating where you stand in relationship to not to peace away from god the peace in god not the comfort of knowing god the comfort in god not the joy of knowing we have a connection but joy in that these are the differences not that one who professes the pro that one who is the promise not that one who points the way but that one who is the way you see the big difference we can fringe life and friends life and friends life we can walk around a beautiful rolls royce or cadillac or and that's what we're talking about getting in it but walk around and take a good look to make sure there's no dance don't get sill sold a bill of goods check the oil check the gas balance the springs kick the tires not hard kick the tires because it may be the car you buy so never kick it hard check it out don't scratch the paint to see how deep it is you may have to live that one too so we take care of the vehicle in which we're going to ride here and that salesman who sells it to you make sure you read the contract the fine print is the contract not the promise the promise is i'll do all these things for you and you do all these things for me a man down the buses however if for any reason i don't like you know like me you pay and pay and pay and you still get the car that's called hell and i get to sell the car to somebody else and get the money from them too it's like hey man that's injury to the insult what did you expect in hell a little bit of fun with it doesn't come that way there's always the temptation leading the fall what was the big lie that got us all caught in this was the big lie do we have bible students on here let me tell you what the big lie was and the serpent said to eve and if you eat of this you will not die but you will have everlasting life knowledge knowing good from evil as god and it didn't happen by god it didn't happen because she went and sekret adam into it she didn't know that adam would cause all the hell and get him kicked out of the garden so if she knew she said i i'll let you have that because if you have that god's to ask you what did you do and you're going to squeal we're going to get kicked out of here she didn't know she's one honey take and that was the second temptation the first was when negativity tempted of course the big thing now is that if this is when i read the paper i got told to go they have a big hassle and so the part of the united states on the east coast about who has civil rights who doesn't have civil rights and a famous lady over there said look if these people who are of the same sex would be making together in the beginning it would have been adam and eve would have been adamant bruce i can't refute that because after all it's a scriptural but i don't think that is what we're dealing with because that was classically a long long time ago you know and also at that time if you cut your hair that was blasphemous you get stoned to death some you guys really has been stoned a long time ago you see the time changes the mood changes the fitting changes but god eternally loves us and presents us with opportunity it's always been there look what happened to day is here people tell me there's no face in the world i said nonsense to giving credit all over the place is what's that got to do with it i said what credit is faith that you're going to pay yeah but god's going to strike the world i said nonsense this is why i said there's little kids coming into the world the day no kids are being born that's the day of the writing is on the nursery wall as they will be too late to save up food money gas water clothing or diapers won't be long till the generation will go out it's going to go out in a very beautiful natural ok we've sort of like ribbon ridiculing it to point up just a few of the things that are present you individually you collectively you as a nation must decide for yourself in a starts individually starts with that thing where we commit ten billion percent ten billion times a day to the upliftment and the unfoldment and that moment where doubt comes in and tries to eat at the table we say i'm sorry you were not one of the ten billion called many were called but you were one of them we have to get into ourselves spiritual exercises get us into ourselves they start peeling away sometimes very gradually sometimes a beautiful feeling of the rush of energy of light and sometimes it gets a little horrendous when it says look you've been delayed dolling around to law whack you think oh why did you do that to me i'm spiritual i'm initials like a knock off the nonsense shut out the verbiage get that garbage out it's like i'm going to take out the garbage and spiritual take out garbage friends have you forgotten already spiritual to get rid of your garbage it's called sanitation engineer it's time to clean up your act is why we say don't go into it observe it and wave it as you go by like a catch on the round but i'm not stopping him don't own things of this world use things of this world don't abuse attempt not to misuse but we're going to do that because we have not got the completeness of god in the presence of us when we know we're going to have an error we know we're going to have a mistake that's why we know we're dependent upon the higher force of love and light because we know we're going to do it why because you've had enough lifetimes and you're back here again to prove something to us you should be getting the message pretty fast you haven't been able to do it is time to link it up and do it your being here is self evident you didn't make it now we commit ourselves to our self not to the personality not to the mind not to the motions not to the body not to the pocketbook so that that is the very essence of god in the soul and we use that ray of christ as a pure extension we get right in the center of it and we're surrounded with the angels of light and love supposed to be spiritual they'll think you're drunk and you just spaced out it's a slow path in a lot of ways but believe me it's a path that gets there it's a sure path because it's not a path of man no man has been smart enough to devise all of this you get the idea hits certainly transcends this one it transcends this form that i was in it cannot be changed because it is not changeable it is permanent and it is also not of man for man would change it and corrupt and utilize it against others to set himself up as a hierarchy position but it is that god has placed it and god is done and god is maintaining it all we've got to do is have the wit come believe me it takes as soon as you face the way the shadows hit you you go into despair your depression your lusts your habits the greed's the doubts anything that can settle your consciousness to set up a habit pattern was counsel with yourself continuously not talking with yourself but yes if that's the way you have to do it but when you go on to something you think you should do you say no look j you know you shouldn't do that you've got a lot more intelligence than into that now act like it because it is by your works you know by the fruits of the tree that you are so take care of it so you start taking care of it there's a joy in taking care of that that is ordained of god is a great joy in being involved in god's work and that manifested is a joy that i can't even put words on and the light just will shine from you the energy comes from you and you don't have to do anything you sit there as long as you don't mislead anybody else by the addlepated conscious which means crazy loony the the town crazy in small communities we all ha the town crazy crazy so and so but crazy so and so was so crazy to got to do everything he wanted to and everybody left him alone because you didn't want to be called crazy but crazy was free are crazy could you turn in the middle of the block parallel park jay walk walk in the front the lines belong on the show walk out the front push people side get his ticket walk in sit down where he wanted to i stood in line was replied thinking look that crazy guy and then i had to sit behind some big dude i can see around him in the show not crazy or be left crazy alone rules and if you survive you you maintain the rule and as long as you're sane your maintain the crazies out there they laugh and laugh once a long time set would go to be seen and to see so he said let's go up there he says and have a beer and i said fantastic so we got up there and got there the see because he was strange there gets to see you know and makes noise and people sort of shy away got the attention but part of the scene was i had to be blind beers in front of us and offered a cigarette put a cigarette my hand i put up with the cigarette of course this time they were like maybe thirty forty fifty people around plus sidewalk watchers watching this episode of people saying oh look at that he's taking care of his friend  what is he going to do now i pick up the beer to drink it and my friends going like oh what do i do you know so the only thing you could do was to knock the beer out of my so they brought them to check out because he called for the check and people were like really being so solicitous it was really neat to watch them be so kind and so considerate see the thing is that as a people do think that they would have enough guts to do something like that but it doesn't take guts it just takes a little crazy it takes a little bit of watching people put themselves on for your benefit it takes watching people try to impress people of their kindness in a situation when it is not a kind situation you might say well how should they respond next time you see some people doing something like just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of assault call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or write to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is what john rogers thanks for joining us i know that takes longer to heal when we're righteously indignant and we heal faster when we're thankful and in an attitude of gratitude when we when we're grateful and we tell people the gratefulness we feel for what they've done we heal faster so much faster and with a heartfelt foundation let alone the peace is to really go out and feed people our volunteers of the peace institute the foundation heart felt they just get sky high on energy of serving and the gratitude they have that they could have served these people that normally you wouldn't even talk to it's doing all this stuff for another being and lo and behold they find out their spirit was with them in the it's a it's a really a great that's why we come back we say hey we're going to do it again people just volunteer oh yeah and some got i don't want  they were in it for glory they're in it to get their name in the paper or their picture and to be worshiped by somebody that's not the way we want to do one do it out of the spirit of serving when a person gets into that they're not because they're just against hell and high water they'll end up serving which to me is the best psychotherapy and the best spiritual exercise physically in the wilderness in the desert each of us to soothe this to quench the thirst that we have inside or whatever we are whatever has been here is anguish and disturbance we place the light