and the witness reliability when an event is seen by multiple witnesses the most accurate comprehension of that event is known to be found by examining the totality of collective descriptions and identifying the common threads and the recurring words th testimony share ok we have another person on the phone generally with us we understand that you witnessed this plane a plane crash into the pentagon yes i did tell us exactly what you saw right live in a high rise building just outside of  i was actually to the television and i have an office here and it's all glass then and i saw a plane coming right in front of my window crying out a path that commercial plane not fly not coming into the direction rand at to the pentagon heading in the direction of the airport and i thought i was playing a regular low and there's no runway that it goes in that direction and it didn't turn at all and i just as soon as i thought i knew it was way too low and not on a flight path that i'd ever seen before living here and same morning when she saw what happened again you tell me you say that you saw a plane actually strike the side of the pentagon tell me exactly what you saw i saw a flame going down a big plane commercial miner time going down slow speed telephone with me of barbara who is the wife of a friend of mine and who is an eyewitness to exactly what happened at the pentagon barbara can you hear me or i can yes i can hear you well what exactly did you see let's look at the pentagon now as as you describe  what exactly happened at the pentagon this morning as we were driving into town on three ninety five there was an exit we're trying to get out the exit for the memorial bridge and the commercial plane they came in and we're coming to well can't verify could wind up in the vehicle was it clear to you what had happened yeah definitely so you believe it was a commercial airliner that was hitting the pentagon yes how low was the plane when it was coming fort myer i saw a large airliner sized plane roughly seven sixty seven size airliner very deep descent approaching the pentagon as i didn't actually see the impact but i did see  the the engines his name is alan wallace and he is a civilian employee at the pentagon ironically he happens to be a firefighter who was stationed with his fire truck close to the point of impact of the plane and he described to me exactly what the scene looked like he looked up he said he saw the plane the plane about fifty feet away screamed for his partner to run they took off running and alan wallace now takes up the narrative the point at the time when i said  making its descent into the pentagon there was debris over the roadways specifically where i was washable of our ok then let me go quickly to someone named don wright who saw the plane crash into the pentagon donahue there in washington can you tell us what happened yes with directly into the pentagon that's correct it looked like a deliberate act of deliberate action and can you tell me what direction it came from the name came from the south and about the time i saw the plane i watched it come in very low over the tree and i just get down came down right over three hundred five right shelter is and all of a sudden we hear you can hear the noise coming first and then you can feel the shaking of the building and we just looked up out of the window and i saw the telly and go  it was a for me it was like a big plane it was definitely a passenger plane and everything just everything shook and then all of a sudden you just heard this big explosion and somebody said my god they hit the pentagon they hit the pentagon what you probably about nine thirty five nine forty right and i thought the plane coming down it actually came up three ninety five and it just went over the horizon then came back in from the bridge where i was sitting and i knew it going to hit i mean i'd already heard about kelly who was a witness to this attack at the pentagon to let him describe what he saw here i guess about twenty minutes ago with michael kelly first of all let me just first describe the scene this is the west side of the pentagon the hell a fort side of washington boulevard we're driving or what yes i was in the traffic on the fourteenth street bridge right at the pentagon tied up going into town and i heard this plane come over my head and it was very very low and the next thing i know there was a strong mendis explosion as it hit the pentagon i looked around and looked over and those the smoke the accounts of what was going on in new york i was listening to president bush and we were stuck in traffic coming off the exit here and i looked up and i saw this american airlines jet coming in very low and i watched it at a clip i don't know if you can see that we clipped the school right into the building huge explosion now you're sure it was an american airlines plane you know we were stuck in traffic could not move i could see the big the silver jet itself i thought it was a seven thirty seven i may be mistaken there but there was no doubt about it was american airlines slammed right into the building and there was no doubt about it into the sky and i looked over to the side and and i saw this jet coming in and it was really well and and it was american airlines jet you could read the a on the side silver fuselage and it kind of disappeared over this bank made here for a moment and then  were still trying to put out the blaze the fire by the way is still burning in some parts of the pentagon and i took a look at the huge gaping hole that's in this side of the pentagon in an area of the pentagon that has been recently renovated part of a multibillion dollar renovation program here at the pentagon i could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building very small pieces of the plane on the teleport outside of the the building the biggest piece i saw was about three feet long it was a silver and been painted green and red but i could not see any identifying markings on the plane now so saw a large piece of shattered glass it appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane you witnessed what happened at the pentagon what  where our office is a spread of state farm's road in the beltway so i overlook the beltway from my office now we do also have somebody to talk with us who was an eyewitness to the actual crash he was watching from arlington virginia which is a suburb over his name is tim timmerman mr chairman are you with us right now i sure am your a pilot tell us what you saw when i was looking out the window i live on the sixteenth floor overlooking the pentagon and in the corner apartment so i have quite a panorama and being next to national airport i hear  and then i lost the behind a building and then it came out and i saw it hit i saw the nose break up i saw the wing fly forward and then the conflagration says you know this involves everything and planes were horrible what can you tell us about the plane itself it was a boeing  seven fifty seven american airlines no question did you say that there was a boeing and you say it was a seven fifty seven or seven sixty seven department seven five seven seven five seven with american airlines american airlines one of the new generation of jets  it was an american airlines fifty seven and it came in and hit the side hit the help port klang came down from the i can hit the help port next to the pentagon i live in an apartment building on that side of the pentagon and it just crashed right into it and now it was deliberate this is right aimed right at dave and i asked danny here thanks to heather cabot with harry gold it was the space policy and acquisition division of d o d you're on the fifth floor and you saw this thing coming tell us what happened we were just watching the world trade center on the internet and turned around and i'm at a very large window and i turned around and looked and i i saw the sober seven fifty seven it looked like to me hearing from the  registered course over the potomac river and it had no landing gear down and it was coming very very rapidly and it took a dive maybe a couple of miles maybe over a lousy limit to the dive into this building and i saw it coming and i hollered hit the deck and everybody in the office hit the deck because they knew that the world trade center was on fire so so you think this was it this was it they were coming in and you know they're going to hit a lot of buildings and this is going to be one of them so there's no question in your mind that the part of what was piloting that aircraft was aiming for the building he was aiming for the building but he could've went into center court might easily which would have really done some damage and i don't know but whoever hit the outside god bless him because that's the one that that also is an area of the pentagon that's going to be under renovation we've already done one way and we've moved a lot of people out of this wedge here over there yes hi buck and andrea we're on the twenty second floor of the usa today tower over my left hand shoulder is the pentagon building with the billowing smoke to my right here i boom and looking straight ahead there was a jet in what looked to be an american airlines jet probably a seven fifty seven and it came screaming across the highway was a route one ten on the west side of the pentagon the plane went west east hit the west side of the pentagon immediately flames were surging up into the air it was white smoke and then within seconds thick black smoke everybody got out of their cars people were shocked describe the first plane again you see it was a commercial jet do you know how many engines did not see the engines i saw the body and the tail and it was a silver jet with the markings along the windows that he spoke to me as an american airlines jet this was fifteen just sitting there one ten actually not it was just amazing something you only see in the movies the airplane looks to me like a seven fifty seven american airlines probably flying around sixty to seventy yards and top of my car one hundred i would think was shaken and the next thing was so the airplane crashed in the pentagon the pentagon sucked in the airplane so we didn't see any more parts will and the pieces world tragedy that that took place on this day and you and so many other motorists saw this thing happen today most of the cars that had the front windshield broken because of the noise of the airplane and just the time a turn my head to the left it seems accusingly and it looked to me as someone professional especially when you meant over and turn the airplane to take you few seconds to put the wings equally some way but you didn't seem to didn't seem to you like that this was someone this was a pilot who was struggling for control of the aircraft this is someone who was heading it right in exactly that i wonder if you if you sense that it's going to take a long time to get o see all the windows on the right side going by we were in the city in the old days and all of a sudden we heard some rumblings something is going to hit us very immediate things could happen so we look at each other pentagon on route twenty seven which stuck in totally standstill traffic just sitting dead still on the highway and basically without warning there was just the sensation of something coming over top of us it seems the plane was so low that it hit a light pole that was just on the edge of the highway on the on the far side there before it came over the highway clipped this pole which i heard and it up being knocked over and hitting a taxi which was near you my car my  nine eleven i was driving my car on my way home this airplane flew over the top of my car it was real close some glasses loud loud noise happened and the pole came through the dash board right through the car i stopped the car and in the middle of the street then stop straight this stop that i know over one hundred eighty witnesses are on record describing what they saw at the pentagon on the morning of nine eleven one hundred twenty seven witnesses said they saw a large plane seven witnesses identified the the plane seven fifty seven twenty six witnesses identified the plane they saw as an american airlines plane sixty three witnesses saw the plane impact the pentagon thirteen witnesses saw the plane hit one or more of the five four witnesses saw the plane hit the fence and generator trailer got witnesses deserve the same respect that we give to the world trade center of gone individual eyewitness testimony is subject to distortion but the cumulative weight of independent eyewitness testimony of large numbers of people tends to have a little and importantly it has a long history being recognized as valid by the courts no plane theories at the pentagon started out your weeks after the event with terry sohn a french journalist who postulated truck bombs before revising the us to a missile attack the only evidence you went on was the supposedly lack of plane parts on the lawn and early estimates of the size of the hole in the pentagon wall based on photographs were heavily obscured by sprays from water hose notice the entire ground floor is blocked off here by the water spray is a famous photograph and then jenkins was commenting this photograph right here is probably the genesis of no plane theories at the pentagon jim hoffman and his nine eleven research site has mirrored the work of an anonymous blogger who constructed the mosaic of the damage at the pentagon wall based on multiple photographs each of which showed part of the damage and other damage to the facade is consistent with a high speed seven fifty seven impact another element to this discussion is the recognition of what a high speed airplane impact actually looks reinforced off got destroyed d to bring the plane to rest of the pentagon plane had hit an impermeable ball we would have witnessed a rerun of the phantom jet experiment however the wall gave way so the heavy parts of the plane went in the lawn the no plane frenzy was fed by the short sequence of frames from surveillance cameras at the pentagon there was the entrance into the frame of something fuzzy with a trail of smoke and then a blast smoke trail fueled speculation that it was a missile jets don't leave smoke trails missiles do these frames don't prove his seven fifty seven impact because we can't see the object clearly but the question here is can these frames rule out is seven fifty seven careful modeling of the motion of the plane turns out to present it picture consistent with the location and size of the fuzzy object and the smoke trail can plausibly be attributed to something being adjusted by one of the engines the maker of this animation suggests that it could be a globe from one of those struck light poles there are other possibility is that i'll mention  later question here is whether the smoke trail video could rule out of seven fifty seven the answer is no since there are possible mechanisms to generate the smoke trail and since the overall size and shape of the fuzzy blob are consistent with a seven fifty seven at this distance the burden of proof has not been met the geometry works out just fine for a seven fifty seven to clear the lawn and still enter the pentagon consistent with the damage counter by the way those blue areas are areas where there is facade damage and that's where the light areas like the tail and the wing tips hit but the red area shows for all of the heavy parts of the plane there was room for them to go in early photographs or relatively little debris on the lawn this was misleading because most of the photographs were taken from the roadway and the large distances appeared foreshortened the lack of debris on the lawn was taken as evidence that there was no plane has more photographs emerge there was abundant evidence of plane debris some of it with what appears to be american airlines marking an objection has been raised that most of the plane debris on the lawn was found closer to the helipad which is to the left or the north of the impact point this is certain is based on an incomplete photographic record but assuming it's true it's not surprising when the plane struck the pentagon it hit at an angle of fifty two degrees with respect to the pentagon wall each part of the plane therefore had a component of its velocity parallel with the wall of about sixty percent of its overall ground speed after the collision the average velocity of the many pieces of the plane were pulverized but remained outside the building would still have significant northward velocity component due to conservation of momentum which would carry it preferentially northward toward the hill port and fire station yes there is much plane debris yes the photographs that exist show most of it to the left of the entrance hole but that can be understood as a direct consequence of the geometry of the impact we know the actual time of impact within seconds rather than minutes because the plane coming into the pentagon was being tracked by multiple radar installations under the control of different agencies some civilian some military during the final approach leading straight to the pentagon it was tracked by four different radar systems until it descended below the radar as a pass the sheraton hotel which is about a kilometer from impact each radar blip carries its own precisely calibrated time signature and these agree to high precision there is also the flight data recorder found in the pentagon and the data from its release of the freedom of information act so i'm question the authenticity of the f d r data but i and others believe the data is authentic based primarily on internal evidence that's a separate discussion for now let me say the f d r and radar data agree vast majority of the plane debris from the actual plane went inside the pentagon between an aide and dick cheney as the flight was approaching washington during the time that here plane coming in to the pentagon there was a young man who would come in and say to the vice president the plane is fifty miles a plane is thirty miles and when it got down to the plane is ten miles out the young man also said to the vice president the orders still stand and the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said of course the orders to stand have you heard anything to the contrary i thought time i did famously with interaction if the pentagon attack is so central to the presume psyop value of nine eleven would you rather look for government malfeasance behind this conversation or in speculation about you labrat lee falsified evidence of a nonexistent plane at the pentagon you can't have both we have overlapping radar the primary radar that was real time by the control towers had some glitches but there were other radars monitoring the flight continuously in the entire flight path of seventy seven was recorded john farmer has put this all together excellent research you have overlapping radar data from multiple agencies for the entire flight of a seventy seven from takeoff to a point within a mile of impact the transponder was turned off at one point but radar does not depend on the transponder signal the radar data terminates as the plane descends to literally fly under the radar for the last kilometer or so the radar data ends with the plane flying directly toward the hole in the pentagon we also have the flight data recorder data for the entire flight right up to impact the f d r data agrees well with the radar data some claim the data was faked but the data has a tremendous amount of internal complexity and has the feel of authentic data my conclusion is the data is authentic partially because it agrees with all the other sources of data you can read the paper on the decoding of the f d r by frank legan warren start the journal of nine eleven studies here is the virginia department of transportation camera poll for traffic camera appears to have a wrong missing in a scar if this missing wrong was actually knocked off by the plane this is a position approximately where the right wing tip would have run if the missing run was actually knocked off by the plane it would locate the position of the plane precisely within a few inches a fraction of a second later you can see up at the top right where the wrong is missing and then notice the top of that tree so a fraction of a second later the starboard engine appears to have cut a circular notch out of the top of the foliage of a tree standing beside the roadway if the starboard engine actually clipped and adjusted the foliage from the top of the tree it could account for the smoke cloud seen in the pentagon security camera video pentagon plane was moving at about five hundred fifty miles per hour in the last seconds it was accelerating as it went into the pentagon immediately after trimming the tree the plane impact of the light pole that pierced the windshield of a taxi driven by lloyd engel and nearly killing him and causing his taxi to swerve and stop traffic both lloyd and the taxi should be listed as witnesses to the plane loyd in the human eye witness sense and the taxi in the sense of a physical detector in physics t is evidence of the light pole damage happened in real time as the plane approach it could not have been pre planned it evidence by the way as far as the force needed to dislodge these boats that attach these things to the ground are like they break off easily so if a car hits one it it breaks off the pole instead of killing the passengers if the light pole had been dislodged by some other kind of elaborate explosive scheme lloyd and the other travelers who witnessed the event would have testified to an unusual explosion but they didn't they witness the terror of a very large very low aircraft nearly colliding with their cars at very high speed the plane continued to mow down four more light pole known how much damage the impacts with the light poles cause to the wings the plane was essentially projectile by that time and would collide with the pentagon with or without wings we do know however the wings at least out to the engine north end of the generator toward the pentagon left engine hit a low concrete wall leaving a circular scar the lateral spacing between these two collision points matches the distance between the engines of a seven fifty seven it is worth mentioning that the rotation of the generator try is significant in proving an actual impact one thing that does did not happen was a collision with the cable spools that were sitting on the lawn it turns out the geometry of the impact allowed the plane to clear the spirals the clear progression of events is toward the pentagon the simplest explanation for all the evidence and in fact the only explanation that has been attempted to account for all of the external damage in detail is an impact by a plane the size of a seven fifty seven the plane entered the pentagon primarily at the first floor level was this done by a human pilot it doesn't seem possible flying at high speed at low altitude makes the plane almost impossible to control by him there is a time delay in the steering mechanism stabile it is possible however if computer control is applied directly to the actuators bypassing the steering mechanism and the human response time this is not the official story official story is the plane was flown into the pentagon by an amateur hijacker of pilot and it doesn't make sense one does not have to postulate and no plane so norio to find evidence of insider involvement extremely difficult high speed low altitude final approach is evidence in itself external control hence insider involvement beyond the wall of the pentagon there is significant photographic evidence and or testimony of first responders to the damage inside including testimonies about bodies and airplane parts damage does not resemble an explosion columns or bowed and abraded showing evidence of a flow of material in line with the flight path the plane would have been shredded by this time but the momentum of the debris carried it forward past the interior columns in a manner similar to the flow of fluid on it and i say that what i'm saying is particles interacting with each other as they're moving forward is not saying they're liquid or anything like that that's misinterpretation that some people put on a flow of material broke through the ceiling and dumped debris including a tire and other airplane parts into the alley between the b and c rings the distribution of debris outside the c ring was aligned with the motion of the plane much has been made of the roundness of the c ring hole my colleague john called it an interesting study of the hole itself in detail the hole is not round forces pulled the surface bricks away giving the rounded look notice that there is a vertical pipe that survives crossing the hole if the hole were created by an explosive charge the pipe would not have survived we step back and look at the event as a whole the radar path the f t our path path testified to by the vast majority of witnesses the exterior damage path interior damage path the searing hole the stream of debris dumped into the alleyway all aligned perfectly this confluence of evidence is so striking that any alternative theory must explain these alignments convincingly no alternative theory to the large plane hypothesis comes even close to doing so for many questions to be asked kevin ryan has compiled a good list of questions we should be asking one of the questions on the list which i consider the primary question is how was the nation's air defense system disabled on nine eleven and how could anything have hit the pentagon approximately eighty minutes after the first plane was known to be hijacked with all the new information we now have the question what hit the pentagon was essential to be an answer large plane consistent with a seven fifty seven probably seventy seven  all the clearest evidence of the pentagon attack was an inside job is that the world trade center attack can be shown with a firm scientific basis to have been an inside job and the pentagon attack was clearly part of the same operation thank you