hello welcome to a new dish and design for the times i'm your host richard christopher scary i'm very happy to have in studio someone who has come back for the second time in our relatively new show his name is jim brophy and welcome again to our our studio here today i wanted i love people love talking about their home and i think people are more into their homes and they ever were they don't maybe have to be as big as twenty years ago people wanted the mansion but i think even with the downsizing people they're much more sophisticated about finishes and gardening outdoor spaces and pools are very hot on the priority list for people and they know what they're talking about i want to talk a little bit about you though because jim is because your your concept what you did it's so beautiful it really is it's a space that's amazing in fact what i'd like to do is i'd like to at some point come out to you with our cameras and actually walk around and show people what you have there because it's such a different concept so let's talk about a little bit about rocker's landscape because it's a lot of buildings and a lot of space and quite beautiful from location so right in different occasions that let's talk a little bit about your business ok  we've got a very distinct customer we work with pretty much anyone that has really cares about their property really is interested in being inspired that's the type of  i laugh when i watch people walking because they can't stop looking around they walk very slow no one's in a rush and they just marvel and then they just start to get happy and they're smiling in there they're touching things and they find that we do parties and events in the space and it just takes on a life of its own so it's a beautiful space it's a very beautiful place and one of the things that i like as a designer when i come in there every once in a while is that you always have an interest in going on like two years ago before people were really seeing living walls and stuff you had plants succulents that were coming off of a wall that had done very palette and all palette that had been painted it was just beautiful and always a little bit ahead of the curve and that's another  to a lot of the nursery staff they there are people who work for us are passionate and will and they're they're nice and they're very passionate and that's one of the most proud things i have about the business it's how people are treated and you have a pretty big team there we do behavioral charlie i know for over thirty years we start talking about how we got in to doing pulls together five years ago but we have we have a good seventy eighty people on the payroll and so now what was your guys connection did you before you were charlie on did you guys work together on plus as you started out we know from the last show you started out with lawns and it well i met charlie back in about i want to say about one thousand nine hundred ninety two through a mutual  friend or acquaintance that we we just knew each other and we used to hangout back then a little bit and then he's known of my business all these years and he's watched it grow he's done off and had his own  business other businesses and and he approached me about five years ago and he said you know you've got such a great reputation sure to carry customers everybody's always warranties are great because treat people  don't we try and sell pools you know it's a very great connection to the and it came in a time to where we're doing a lot of landscaping sure waiting for a pool company not knowing and being in that unknown to  complete our work after a pull went in and you know if you go to the very beginning of a project we're always telling people i know once you build your pool well design it then and then we'll come out and then we kind of put ourselves out in front of the whole thing and that's been a really good thing for us and you know recently to we've we've our our relationship is has grown to a point where charlie was actually just running the construction of the pools the past five years and we realized maybe two or three months ago that he ought to be out in front and actually designing and selling the pools for us it took us five years to figure that out but it's just it's beginning to take off and explode he's got or two or three pools already s lot of options for pools now probably more than ever and i think you know people are really they really know when the when i go out to say i'm on the first appointment i don't ask a lot of questions but i'll ask you know your family d n r tain kids know i get to some people's homes and they have pinterest already or they will give me a bunch of things that they got off the internet and now i have a theory some people think that the internet is great for that because when you go to them as the front guy is the creative guy you already have something to work with some people think it's terrible because people that don't really have the physical knowledge of what it takes to put in a pool they have a preconceived notion of something and you have to be the bearer of bad news now you know you can do this in this environment have to do this so do you think it's an asset for you that people are more educated or a liability that they're all right jack and i said this way to bring them up to speed actually what we're doing right now you know the custom got a pool it's a lot of work you know and they don't know the steps or you know the the dig to steal the plumbing and the guy late the plaster the tile the coping there's a lot that goes on to anything also it's always very personal cliche but i think it's always very good for people to be informed not influenced and there's a difference by being informed that they have some knowledge the influence a lot of come from the professionals that really know it and can say that's great that you know x about this but let me tell you a little bit more and that's when the influence can come and if you get a client who's already influence it's tough because if they're informed it's great i think it's a lot easier to work with that sometimes a gives a little tunnel vision because they picked out a couple pools and yeah it just makes sense to you not really in the pool but you're in the pool yeah sit in a chair you're cool you can actually hang out rather than worry about something and so it takes the vention and the pool and i have my own right to a whole new level of when i first saw this three businesses and i was always outside and so when i had to jim a couple of my friends i don't ethnic sylvan they were one of the partners he goes you really want to learn how to do a pool he goes you're going to dig a pool you know and now now there's actually you know i can't say names because one of the persons he had a bad experience with i think sylvan right he broke off and he started another company which i can't talk about right now where but yeah there's three or four people now there's many many people there's from north jersey thousand souter's a bunch of divisions now they have but they're you know they do seven eight hundred pools and you know they're going to dig your pool well let's talk about the process let's say to new jersey from another state kids want to pool you have a nice piece of land would you say that there are some immediate things when you're thinking about maybe moving in and a lot that would make it advantageous for all the other some space isn't that well this is a pool is never going to work or do you have to do have to tell people sorry can't give you a pool not really too much when people have me come out they're ready know that they have a decent size property but but you will get you know some hilly property property that just slopes off to nothing where you had to bring in phil or when you're asking the poor you have to know your levels and is it  basically come out and i just asked him flat out you know how many kids you have in the entertain what pool would you do you see yourself in and you know just just from like four things i'm already our show tonight i noticed so it's not going full furniture chairs and people sitting in that environment you know the lounge chairs that they're making their it's crazy go on online and they're really you know like you know i think people are you know this nowadays people are just so worked you know everybody just seems like they're worth their cell phones with them so we're just going to go and so the appreciation for that resort and that's what the sun shelf looks like  looks like you're at a resort or where they have everything just perfect where you have you can have your umbrella your feet are in the water you're in a nice chair and you can really just say finally you know had i want to vegas oh papa has the liner pool gone away and they'll say charley you got to come out and i go out there i said you said eighty two but three rating i'm sorry you said that seventy eight it's reading eighty five or eighty six you know it's hard every day it's ninety five degrees out every day  well let's talk about heaters because there's some people feel that electric is the way to go some people say propane is the way to go i had a client whose kids turned on the propane and forgot about it you know expensive that those people until the yeah ran out quite expensive but they were all about what would you say today if you're going to talk about solar for heating what do you recommend to people i mean the people the gassed the electric it takes so much longer for the gas pump i believe has a i have electrical address but i don't have a very deep pool my pool only six and a half feet and one of the things charlie helped me on the reasons we got into the pools too is when i moved out of new york city and finally came back to the country i was building the poor and i i called him up and i said hey you know about poles can you come and watch these guys how they're building the pool and we made them do it a certain way but charlie also advised which makes a ton of sense and thank god we did it half of that pool is two and a half to three feet people hang out in the low section they don't care if you're polish too deep and what we just don't use it enough has got to be swimming i had although it takes forever to get warm and i thought it was or ohio that the heater barely goes on  that i have one for now but they're you know he just learned to swim in the summer sure fast but he can stand now too the kids can use it to sony has all these kids come over they can hang out in the pool and then most people in my opinion  tell me about that you really just have to have the property like anywhere that your property slopes off you can't have like you have to have a hill that's definitely going down hill and they are beautiful i mean if you could do you know forty feet of a more costly no it's you know originally a front but to maintain it and you know there's probably that's your five thousand dollars you're because you have your reservoir that the war's going and so you have to account for that so that  and we had one we're still trying to you know this lady has like the perfect area but we're having a hard time with elevations right there but we're trying to do everything that we know about this one and let me ask you this is well  it's easy to say that i had a pool company servicing my pool for the past seven years since i moved out here and i kept looking at the spill saying oh my god this is a lot and i actually had charlie to train my wife who's really into it with a few guys that work for me i'm a pool is never been cleaner and it's very easy to keep up it's not a i was intimidated by it i think a lot of people are they are once they do it themselves and get salt water and last year i did the conversion from chlorine to salt water you write me it was fantastic now i have read on line and some articles before this research some people say salt water is bad for me salt water when i used to get out of a chlorine pool i would have that transition from what to drive with that i was so was comfortable and it's an aura all i get out of a salt water pool i feel fantastic and what are you just assuming salt water never people ninety percent of our pools or saw ok the reason why everybody's talking about now because there's a couple companies companies right now that are pushing ultraviolet light right so now that that that's becoming a big thing so there are are there bad such a minute it's like a quarter of a teaspoon not even that part per billion per gallon so there are the benefits it's not going to hurt your patio it's not going to hurt your inside your plastic with the water goes through through the filter then shows out the soil generator it when it goes out so generator it's going out of chlorine when it hits a port thought so all the old accord it's a different renovations to have to not have let's talk about spas with pools my pool a little bit older so there is a pool and within the pool there's a spa are they getting out of doing that now or is that still true that there are still people that want to you can turn it have about less than five minutes left i want to talk about stuff that you've done that you love tell me what you've done you've done a pool you're like oh this is a great idea whether it be you know jagged rocks or water feature color to tell me what you're doing l e d lights what do you do with it ellie the lighting the new color logic a word has beautiful lighting come on they have bubblers now that we're getting ready to do a paul that jim came out to say today and but it's just a word that comes up about eight inches from inception from when you come with your book and you say this is what we do until death where they don't we don't we don't have all our pulled or customer up there's none of our pools that are same we don't go like what ten cookie cutter pools so i'll have an idea i'll give  the designer we go back and forth like if you came to me for a pool it almost takes two months the time you're actually signing to you know the time i get to design or we go back and forth with the homeowner so it's a long process put it with a good process and then so from when you break ground until i guess you had to get a c out yet well it's a thirty day foot the township thirty did their permits and then it's another sixty days to build the pool ok you got to prepare ahead of time yeah yeah and most people do that's why we love talking about it now for spring yeah only when you dig we go away till i mean a good summers we just like it you gotta or concrete when it's freezing so we  like it at forty degrees forty degrees and then we could you know we'll go right up until thanksgiving or even till christmas is it financially advantageous to start in the fall well yes for the homeowner that once again have the pool ready for memorial day right that's what we're trying to do it seems like all eight hundred four two two six zero zero eight or go on our website rockers like university l as in landscape and as a nursery rockers island and what is your address again we are ten fifty one again this is really an optimum time to get to do that get your stuff get your pictures get your yeah yeah they're all as a designer yourself you always want people to be planning you don't want to just go out and do something tomorrow exactly and landscaping and pulls it's you need to plan it out to do well and