hearing in the history of this thing which is to say that courtney love appeared very briefly in beverly hills municipal  no one any kind of driveway footage even in her entrance to the courthouse there were the usual ten or so baited cams crowded around trying to get footage but  someone immediately remarked that she had put on weight and this actually appeared in the popular press and she was dressed in black you have a widow black imagine that ten she didn't give us much to work with and this was partially by design or so i don't know what her and the extent of her advance notice was that casey w m would be appearing but not in any case disgusted angered grieving widow again ten years after the fact of becoming a widow and this was in as we gave you some details in part one giving us really the best material that we could possibly get as to our presence on the side having anything to do with you know anything beyond sitting and serving our own purposes but the fact is that  we have upset her plans to know it stant to a great extent wants to know and it would appear and that is to say that this whole thing is designed to be really the ten year mark and the the end of a very significant chapter that being the first ten years of schooling for the wicked how long has it been since  we've referred to her as the wicked witch you know being up and down the west coast as we have been these last ten months or so i certainly got a feel for the western ness of it all courtney and saw her stage right out of the three sections there are two small sections on the side and one main section of three rows in the middle you know the gallery the audience and i refer to him throughout as a latino looking guy but honestly he might very well not be here he really looks more like someone who's just spent too much time in the tanning booth yeah well we'll leave it at that but we do guy stalking her with a gun she said she couldn't show up to court because of course she had no professional bodyguard available so a fifty nine this away team looking  and then he eyeballs me for about one minute and a when i use the term highballs i mean stares at me intensely although you know i know exactly who this guy is he's the guy who showed up because she said she couldn't go to court as long as richard lee was there so i expect some kind of ridiculous performance out of him although you know it's not as if they had her purse their stick for a while because again this was  written something down and then looking over at me and you know again with the prettiest face of his i have you have this person in this business card or something about the size of a business card and  to compel him to do something in particular so after discussing it with the other dad it even goes to a black sure to or navy blue shirt a guy with stripes you see beverly hills police department i write this guy gets on a cell phone or perhaps it was a wired cord phone i think it was actually a wired court phone and then the latino bodyguard eyeballs me some more at nine o three the beverly spontaneous cha calling at all of his staring realizing that it wasn't exactly making me bust out in a spot nine ten there are about six uniforms in the room which believe me is a lot less than there had been previously and whether they were there to body guard or against the seattle guy or whether they were there to just see the sights i'm not sure but six uniforms five of them her reputation with creditors is worse than it has ever been i mean even as of yesterday the big story was her fifty thousand dollars of indebtedness yes to a travel agency that anyway so alan fox had to ask courtney a few questions about having her new attorney howard weitzman for counsel and there was discussion about being a close friend of her father a close friend of her father and then there was a trial date of november third sat's and mr white's man's quote was in my say it's not going to work fats now to stated very briefly we've referred to courtney's attorneys as a sort of dream team and part of the whole dream team concept in the o j trial was that he had so many damn lawyers who were no worthy in their own right and still though the fact is that you could you couldn't numerate at least i would say forty to fifty lawyers if not over all throughout her career a hundred lawyers that have been associated with the courtney love career for the last ten to twelve years so you know there is just no end to the attorneys that she enjoins and then descend joins and i'm sure that there are interesting stories to be told there and i'm sure that you now other than latter career late career memoirs we're not going to hear any of those because of course almost all generally considered attorney client privilege but you know for instance when we courted mr going to a go at the temple street corridor house he was clear that he was willing to make it clear that you know he was leaving retiring questioning the representation of courtney love and it was not the other way around in any case it would be pointless to try and see what develops some sort of a scheme for a new orating all of these attorneys and how they feel after it in any case i would say that with judge fox for instance this probably has something to do with his his in measurable patience with her it could also be that he's a starstruck guy and likes to i mean he was the judge on the year winona ryder trial and i'm sure all of these guys like to deal with life's winners and their problems rather than the more disgusting aspect of judicial practice which is to deal with life's losers and their problems which must get pretty sad after a not too long a period of time like you know the first day of legal practice and you realize it's almost all an endless parade of life losers right so you can attribute it to the appetite but also i think that you have to look at courtney love is the ultimate cash cow for the legal profession you know i mean that that larry flynt movie of course had so many indirect references to who courtney love really is and who she really is the ultimate client for attorneys that is she's got lots of cash and loves to spend it on precisely  legal representation and with the exception of the lawyers that she used to see to universal who have an action against her now i can't recall any other attorney ever  but the serious part of what we're describing here is that the new representation by mr weitzman and how it is that courtney is sort of toward the end game of this thing i mean how can she be a although it will drag on i'm sure but so judge fox has this immense patience with her although i would guess that mr weitzman said you know bob and these others got paid up front in any case  i pretty much got the impression they were complaining about me after all the last time i encountered her back in april as she was exit in the courtroom she sat there is richard lee as if this was some sort of profound accusation against some in the courtroom and again she wanted someone to pounce as if this is what she could come to expect from the los angeles sheriff's deputies well in her dreams you know it didn't work out that way but and also as i previously described there is footage of my approaching the elevator with her in it and one of the sheriff's deputies running a video camera and presumably catching some really great footage of my saying that courtney  telling these outrageous lies about me to millions of people on the howard stern should this be forgotten accusation right we're not going to go back and forth over all that except having to sleep quite an incredible lie for anyone to tell under any circumstance forget about it with ten million people listening right in any case so we went back again and we were delighted to find that in the courtroom of elden fox there was a surge and initial the beverly hills police departments the guy i previously described as the colin powell looking gentleman and i sat down and he didn't look too happy to be seeing me back in court not something he really and  ted and i was in five minutes or so he had made for the exit and apparently there was only one exit i must say he wanted to do something particularly dramatic like trying to make a getaway via the judge's chambers which i'm not even sure it's possible i'm pretty sure it is and so i was able to buttonhole mr surgeon deeper as the beverly hills police department right outside the court room and had a discussion with him where he was being a little bit of a stiff but i think he decided in the five minutes during which he was contemplating how to handle the situation and by being back at it well whatever  i don't want to be relying to any guy without authorization and so as far as the actual notes i am the bit that i absolutely had to write down verbatim of from our conversation was answer sergeant deep arrested beverly hills police department's quote yes there was and i did ask him you know whether you'll be coordinating with or actually that someone else i asked him you know if any further actions were going to be taken or contemplated as far as  beverly hills police department working where the los angeles sheriff's deputies to get to the bottom of what this complaint is and make sure you know obviously that the safety and  beverly hills police department and i did ask him a surgeon are you typically here or are you working with the court system on a regular basis and he said i work for the beverly hills police department in other words i'm not going to go back over the details but believe me she said it on howard stern and it's completely incredible no celebrity has ever played the hand of a lying about some you know reporter or any and you know you could be it could be one hundred years before it happens again but a celebrity is going to complain about the present several reporter you know with in our rageous accusation that the reporter is stalking the celebrity the defendants with a gun outside the court room but that that's the the true story and it's all on tape and i've got all the tapes we've been over that anyway so i after the hearing  courtney love gets on the elevator wanted which they do or the favor of holding elevator one for her which i really don't think they should but they let her get on her elevator on an elevator with other people but without reporters so she can take it down to the garage and  so i'm at the elevator alan the guy from the the court public information office you know their p r guy he's there and there's some young woman weitzman was talking about yes i was his roommate and knew him in high school and i couldn't figure out who the heck he was talking about and i was very interested in this though because you know what is the conflict of interest  in when he said her father he couldn't possibly be talking about courtney love and her bio dad but she has so many other fathers you know i mean for instance the garbage man mr mentally her former just clarify what is the conflict of interests that was referred to the potential conflict of interest that was referred to in court today i didn't quite catch that that he would not acknowledge me in any kind of turns to alan and tries to resume this pointless conversation they were having her contact with anyway it was quite clear to me that mr weissman was not very happy to disgusted at the presence of a little public access t v from seattle well for all of the reasons that you can figure he knows enough about the media that perhaps our little program will go far beyond seattle someday and perhaps i represents the presence of you know investigative journalism which simply does not exist except in trivial forms and anyway surrounding this case you know i mean everybody just trot covers these hearings and you know the big investigative thing that i can even recall ever being done in this case is pat lalama you know poking around the courthouse to find out that  apparently poking around the courthouse to find out that the security concerns centered around the so called documentary filmmaker right there is nothing else that really represents the investigation and that's just the impression i got for all i know she got on the cell phone and got it straight from her box on back around you now don't attribute that to me pat and you know i had just noticed in the last hearing but after the hearing pat lalama i was actually embracing courtney love that is courtney love walking to the elevator put her arm around pat lalama snack you know the celebrity justice reporter and they went like head to head you know and they were they were like little words exchange and that was all this gal gal intimacy get out it was the defendant girl court reporter on legal affairs reporter girl action and and of course i also describe clearly for you this is supposed to be the trial date yesterday and i have basically had it with the little preliminary hearing thanks let's get it on let's hear that evidence because you know we want to hear from the kaffirs from detective schwab all so concerned about the presence of  chambers that is to say in the courtroom why so concerned about little old me well the fact is that we did a pretty thorough search on google news today and we could only find three references a total of three references now this thing about courtney love and the travel agency thursday by a travel agency that claims she ordered fit nearly fifty thousand dollars in airline tickets but wouldn't pay and of course this describes the fact that she appeared in court on the drug trial and that's when she was served but only and so it was an a p story and so it would appear in hundreds and hundreds of news outlets however only google news  news details only three lists three piano and me the british air rock music tabloid the new york post and people magazine were the only ones that made any reference to howard weitzman now her that is you know a match on courtney love and weitzman there are only three matches and so apparently an emmy has that blonde woman the heavyset blonde woman and there was a mr levy there ally an asian gentleman from the new york post and they were the only ones there reported this matter of mr weitzman being courtney's attorney and then there's an online article on people that was just feeding off of their a conflict of interest because her new lawyer weitzman is actually the godfather of the prosecutor in this case deputy district attorney gina right so you know ace a surprise i think the word with substitute although she may be taking over the case that would make sense from what everything that's been said she's taking over the case and she has this profound conflict of interest i mean god father i mean he was there during a catholic baptismal for the child who's now prosecuting the although again this very interesting aspect is only pointed out in those two articles and who is howard weitzman beyond being courtney love's new attorney and coincidentally the godfather of the prosecutor in this case well he's also quite famous for having a long string of celebrity clients be getting with  saw you know surveillance footage of a drug deal going down it was with the auto maker john de lorean and somehow whites got him on that actually figured in the larry flynt movie too strangely enough flint made some special move to expose some aspect of it tape which is not clearly explained in the film i can't recall what it is but that was supposed to somehow represent the best to gate of journalism by one mr lar including what's noted as his successful defense of the one that michael jackson frequently residing in los angeles county in the first jack ran into many millions of dollars and i think this is come out as an established fact only in the last six months or so what the the amount is now believed to have been many millions of dollars does precise figure doesn't occur to me at the moment in any case but what is howard weitzman is real claim to fame that he has been named i'm looking at my notes here he has been named one of the fifteen most influential as one of the top fifteen lawyers in the country by the national model journal wow recognizes one of the most influential attorneys in the nation and he's also the recipient of something called the jerry guys were memorial roared which is given annually to the outstanding trial laurier in los angeles county you've won both in seventy nine and eighty four and we've done pretty deeply into is a resume for everything five to september ninety eight howard served as executive vice president corporate operations of universal studios so i mean he's even been referred to in the show business press as the head of production at universal m c a a and so he was one of the top guys at the end of the old administration the old mobbed up administrat documented and the dan moldea book this perception of course persists and was around for a long time so it's something that could be disputed but really is not disputed as a matter of common knowledge that it's ship which is important for many reasons that we're not going to go back over now but the old m c yeah a you know before even before the bronfman stepped in and that is  guy you could say could probably get david geffen on his cell phone that say twenty four hours a day might be a slight overstatement but you know now i could probably try for years and never get a call through to david geffen i should so you know who hired him or who impinged upon him he's currently practicing a copyright and says and civil litigation so he sat so his website is so why is he stepping into criminal defense once again well as he said at an interview not too long ago this is a june two thousand and two in the los angeles business journal that he would represent  celebrity clients if the right celebrity clients came along but the important thing that we're handling word there rather slowly here is that mr weissman really in the annals of crime the thing that he will always be known for and i didn't immediately realize that but you know  because this was downplayed so much it's practically was never i mean i i have a fairly clear recollection of having seen it mentioned on the telly but basically our weitzman was excised whole thing and this is no worthy i'm going to have to be careful about how i say this because i certainly don't want to have to end up in any court room explaining myself what i had to say about howard weitzman but you know with attorneys hand but is suffice it to say that what you're probably familiar with the story about robert her dash and their purchase died exactly one year ago october first two exploded into the national consciousness in such simple terms and it was really strange how everyone got on board with the idea that the bronco chase was such a profound moment you know because what lead into the bronco chase w coast t v as far as i understand it and i saw it live kurt and she in reading a suicide note that was pretty clearly inspired or heavily influenced by the so called suicide note of kurt cobain which was only two months was carried live by m t v reading that entire suicide note of kurt cobain i can't say absolutely all of it was carried live on m t v but i've heard people refer to that sort of thing in any case she was reading his suicide no is there ever been an event like that when a celebrity or anybody was reading a suicide note at lang and then two months later it happens again and then it was definitely you know like a satellite feed that just exploded you know into back oh you know i don't kill yourself of course it was essentially a suicide note and of course of that point everyone had the perception is the idea that that the diff the prosecution never presented that has always been one of the real stuff conspiratorial points about how o j got off that is people who run away usually are guilty and and prosecutors always point out that someone tried to run away because it makes them seem guilty and yet that didn't happen in the o j trial of course jurors probably saw it live but it was not included in the presentation and people have seen that is highly suspicious that the defense was taking a di chicago and then he's captured on videotape because there were already lots of cops and media there he's captured on videotape handing off a garment bag to have a look at it and of course the speculation as reported even in mainstream news sources is the speculation is that there were was bloody clothing or folding that could have had you know blood residue on it in some way even even indirectly or even the actual murder rap and of course that's speculation and it seems odd that someone would be taking a big knife with them to chicago but you know this is pretty nine eleven and all those guys are carrying big knives right this big box cutter times so her nasheed was the guy who accepted the handoff from footballer o j simpson and no one has ever let him live that down and who knows it it may have proved very very you know were provided a role in his ultimate to do the ultimate demise of his health and his death at age fifty nine exactly one year ago and of course it was exactly one year ago one year and one day october second that courtney love committed the first of the violations in this case which have led to these drug trials that have dragged on and on not that this is from c n n it's official recounting of the o j thing tuesday june fourteenth news reports indicate blood stains found in o j simpson's vehicle and in his driveway matched the types discovered at the crime scene the vehicle in a pair of sneakers or confiscated rumors that a bloody glove has been discovered prompt the first denials from simpson's attorney howard weitzman in an interview weitzman said i have been told by law enforcement that there was no bloody glove found in m simpson's residence and then if you click on howard weitzman and look up the definition of his bio as it pertains to this case for c n n howard weitzman simpson legal counsel withdrew in the opening days of simpson case citing his close personal friendship with o j contends that the police barred simpson from having attorneys present during  questioning the day after the murder so we haven't quite nailed down how vociferous lee he's relating this version of events that the police barred him from being present during the famous thirty seven minute lang van atter interview with o j where they tossed him softballs for thirty seven minutes and of course no one can understand how on earth taped interview with lange and van adder while he had legal representation that should have told him o j you'd have to be out of your mind to answer any questions with these cops now especially with that gaping wound in your finger which makes you look like you just hacked these two people today have do not say anything and you know we can get into a deeper interpretation of this at some future point suffice it to say known pattern of what attorneys do there are really only two you know explanations that could be devised from this that you could even discuss in in a legal affairs broadcast that is  record as being you know this broken hearted guilty guy who wanted to cooperate with the police in any way he possibly could possibility one more possibility to somehow and believe me the only one who's even hinted at this the comes to mind is a guy with enough stature in publishing to pull off a mansion which is jeffrey toobin of the new yorker you know who covered the trial extensively and i only and want to cation i heard him say you know anybody who thinks that the police had a bias against simpson is out of their mind the only bias that the police ever showed against simpson was against nicole brown simpson because the way that the police handled that thirty seven minute taped interview with o j somehow indicates that they were already completely bans on setting up evidence to let him off  fixer in this case but i got to tell you the guy belongs in the fixer hall of fame if if he was able to fix that doesn't it right away sir and then what happened was that the cops wanted to quote wanted to interview simpson and with the agreement of howard weitzman they arranged to travel to downtown los angeles to the parker center headquarters of the had returned from chicago and accompanied him to the rockingham estate to the amazement of the two police officers simpson's attorneys were quite relaxed about the officers carrying out an interview with their clients even the point samson and heading out to lunch and i've been a perk or center i mean i've even been in an interview mr parker center believe me it's not like there are fabulous places to eat right across the street it's just in a they conducted the discussion with simpson most observers overlook the fact that as it goes on that they needed to obtain blood samples from o j and a photograph of his finger and they didn't have a warrant for there but that doesn't mean they couldn't get a warrant for it in any case you see what i'm saying put me off not only has a dream team of lawyers she's got what appears to be the dream team or of all time on  legal team heading up or legal team the guy who is evil i mean this is one interpretation of what he did and it's a reasonable interpretation and don't ask me how he did it and i'm certainly not saying that i you know for a fact but everyone i'm sure  examine this case comes up with the same profound questions of how this could happen that somehow somehow weitzman was able to show up and tell his client to do all of the wrong thing in protecting himself and that it would vast number of hours leading to of course the plausible contention by the defense they have said it was not handled properly as a matter of evidence and that of course this provided the basis of reasonable doubts that all of that supposedly presumably irrefutable blood evidence was in fact refutable because even though it was no j s blood there was ample opportunity