to have you here so we have if you are part of the c we have selected today is more like understanding how i mean we all had issues last year right so it was not just we were facing the problem it was a global issue we still haven't  if you look back in two thousand and twenty and say how how many hours you had to put in number one to achieve the same goal what you were used to get funny nor is it enjoyable for the trainers we couldn't if it's a face to face you have done it with us aftab in the past we can draw from people in the room their energy it's from a delivery point of view it's not really ideal and we could see that initially the interest was huge for participants for the first few months but then gradually we could see the numbers decreasing interest dying down and maybe people are tired equally blogs or things like that beca se the interaction is gone you don't meet peopl on the side alleys in during the major events or the coffee during lunch or dinner or social gatherings so you don't apnic offers so and if they are really new and they need help we have seen some people contact us directly saying that hey i heard this from your services colleagues would you be able to help us  what we are seeing is like i was saying when we started off with your teaser question in the beginning although we host online sessions and if you look at our schedule last year every week we were trying to host something registration is huge hundred people maybe one hundred might show up so the lab setups and all are readied for that much and then only four people show up on the day of the delivery so very confusing for us to even analyze and make sense of things the registration but then when people don't show up on the actual session we're very confused of course i and the team we would like to give the benefit of doubt to the community maybe when they registered they were available they thought they would be a travel so it's it's a good opportunity to take online session for those so but yeah the theme is slightly different ri exactly so while it might seem that on one side yes from a logistics point of as one despite rotating topics in those three different time zones like i said in the beginning there was good interest would have saved a good number always every week but after you put in so what we saw is there was a huge uptake i mean it was like mountains and valleys like so when we started in in the march april and may it was all capacity every time you put in something it was course there were multiple waves in different parts of the world specifically in south asia and southeast asia so it could be because of that they they they said okay fine two weeks down the road i will be available but then something happened like they couldn't and maybe there was a lockdown there was something else so it might have i mean i don't have the numbers we of course we can't say that oh because it happened because of the pandemic maybe it session but when you actually on that day of the session like you say maybe something changed either at their personal front or in that local economy or in the country something changed and and but i'm thinking because all of us targeting the same audience and it's not just us i can see vendors offering free trainings wow it's a nice change and given the choice i think me example if you're great at what they do so so so i sometimes feel that maybe we all need to sync up those of us who offer these things out to the community because it's the same community we target the same audience we target and we have our own plans within the team we were trying to understand what's happening with the trend and someone mentioned they're saying that maybe last year when we started off because of covid maybe people thought hey this is something that would go away so so the enthusiasm was there for them to be active and after one year people realize hey this thing doesn't seem to change learning is not even a priority when you're going through this kind of so  from our side i would like to see that the effort is there the same effort instead we are trying to now break things down into component a smaller pieces so that it's easy for people not much commitment online maybe just two sessions two ninety minute sessions instead of four ninety minutes or six ninety minutes so okay and just moving to the next question asked by raj asking how easy has it been to adapt technical training content to an online audience beyond the course that were already online right like i was saying earlier when you speak to a screen it's not at all great but in a face to face like you said we see how people's reaction are whether i need to go down to basics or elaborate a bit more we can read cues from the participants but with online it's quite challenging and hence right why am learning from that we're trying to focus on a specific topic  because like you said when we were trying to do it in a face to face time what we ended up with was a class of very diverse group where some knows so much and some are relatively new and for us our common denominator is alwa the person with the least so that we can bring up the class it doesn't matter what session we have planned but if we realize that there are a few folks in the room that needs a bit more fundamental concepts so we do do that but that means we board the other  what is getting launched every time you click something so we have tried to keep that similar to a face to face setup we have our lab infrastructure here we pretty much run everything here and for that reason we now have to  positive feedback from folks who have done those labs okay that's perfect i mean yeah sometimes we can't beat the speed of light but uh yeah so you have to live with the latency at time so but it's not that bad things planet and then bring it back so you can't you can't beat that because that's a business decision they have made so yeah that's good good to hear that now we have a pop in singapore which definitely reduce the latency now moving towards a little wasn't just talking to a empty screen whether people are dozing off on the other end i have no clue but that was a great one but like you said not possible with other knobs but i guess from a outreach point of view from human of view of course with online the fact that we don't have to physically travel meant that we can of course keep in touch with a lot of our friends because when we were traveling i can only be in one country at any given time and the reason is quite opportunity to do all these national marks to to raise more local issues which they have seen in because of the covid or because of the restrictions staying at home and bring it to the community more openly and more promptly right so rather than all of us going there and speaking on those session i think it gives them an opportunity to change the direction a little bit and say okay  let's talk about local issues more rather than the global issues of course the global issues impact everybody and the regional issues but let's bring more local talks into the into the mix that's a good point and i think that's what we saw like if you look at vietnam for a change eighty percent of the content was very local specific you look at mongolia now for a change majority of the speakers spoke in their local because the crowd was local and except for few invited speakers like you said at least it gave people the opportunity to highlight the challenges that they because i think with covid what we saw was in the no panel discussions what we saw was infrastructure stress and bad quality of connectivity and people could actually raise those during the panel discussions from the crowd or from the audience people going like hey when the online one where people don't have to spend so much money to show up at a conference example for apricot conferences or apini conferences normally people would have to fly into those places but when it's at least it gives people the opportunity to to listen to those speakers without having to fly in so yeah definitely something like you've said more local context yeah okay so okay just going into the same direction is i agree that it is important to have these events so national events right so because that you are if you are living in that country all of a sudden you just say okay it's happening like in my timezone they're talking about my things which are concerned with selecting be part of that and let me join that one so maybe  like you said i think we somehow need to definitely fill in that gap with bringing people together because i think with this pandemic for me the biggest impact has been that human networking component folks like you and trainings but that's just me and then they don't get to hear other diverse opinions or other opinions on the same tech so i think definitely we whether it's a and from the lessons learned i think definitely sub regional event is definitely worth a try and that's something i could if the community if the majority of the community says it's worth it i think that's something that we can discuss informal rather than very formal informal bringing more people on the panel like six seven people just talking about stuff happened in that survey i agree right i agree that i mean sometimes it's  if i if i cannot relate to what is happening in the region it it is not very important to me that right so things which are relatable i mean every sub region has their own issues  people also shine get that platform where they can share some of the good things or innovative things that they might be doing which they wouldn't normally get if it's a face to face event because they may not have the permission or the money to fly to those places and it's a mi opportunity but but i guess us as a community together i think we should encourage there are really great tech minds out there who are silent hidden low profile who do great  doesn't mean just give anyone a chance but someone who does good tech work out there to share their experiences so that's what i was thinking if we do do this i think we have a great opportunity to to allow some more people evening day is flat now i mean doesn't matter is up or not we have to respect the time zone for others as well so it's it's yes we can do that but  it's because the only thing which you highlighted quite rightly which the pain point for me is not seeing the new faces coming up i mean we i mean we all came as the opportunity to to help those newcomers find find a way to get into this one so i mean if this is the reality is not going to change right and we have to live with it for at least maybe this year or i don't write down or ask anything but it is it has to be done otherwise it's not as a community we worked really hard in the region to bring a lot of faces in front of the community right it was easier when we were in the same room it is very difficult than you're looking at yourself on the scree writer that you bring three people only then you are allowed to present so yeah yeah yeah i think yeah i think like you say jokes aside yeah some innovative ideas  there in the community and from my outside i keep encouraging them hey do you want to join now if you need community trainer because other than that i have nothing to offer them immediately just saying that so that we can then bring them out wider wider community give them that opportunity they know how but yeah definitely i think our community could give us that constant refresh of faces ideas  speaking so yeah like you say we can handhold them give them a platform practice runs how to submit slides to conferences how to speak and pretend that there is no one in front of you participant second as a co trainer help at some labs where you don't have to speak much or present and then after the third one you'd be surprised they come back to you and say all right can i take the next two sessions and that's like oh okay th so so yeah so thank you so much for that on that note i would say thank you so much for taking time out and joining the session and we will be doing it every month and