we're very lucky to have with us live in the studio this morning neal chance and jack matthews neal chance is a retired boeing worker with forty two years at the company he was the former president of the i am and w district lodge local e technicians on the flight line jack matthews is also a retired boeing worker with twenty six years at the company and he was a crane operator at the everett plant and neil and jack thank you both for coming and spending time with  i didn't have twenty six years i think it's more like twenty four but while my family has a long history in labor my grandfather was a charter member nineteen here in seattle both my uncle my father were members of that union and i had some union experience before going to boeing but i joined the union when i hired in that was one thousand and eighty four  yeah i o w has a very rich history labor history my grandfather prior to bloody thursday his name was carl floyd matthews and they called him either carl or floyd but after bloody thursday he was known as one i had matt we'll have a chance here and i started working at the boeing company in april fifteenth one thousand fifty seven and retired forty two and a half years later and during that timeframe i was a union member just forty some plus years so as you were told on introduction i have worked my way through the ranks of the union and it was a president of a local and we'll let it go and move on from there so recently in the news we have seen coverage of a a proposal a new contract put forth to the i am it was a appeared to be a fairly rush job on boeing's part but in addition to our governor calling for a special session and the largest tax giveaway in state history for a company  there was also a deal appeared to be brokered to get the i am to sign on to a new contract is that do you think that's accurate summation what's your take on on that deal that was proposed yeah it is but before we get into that i want to do a disclaimer you know i'm not here in official capacity to represent the union or the boeing company any observations or opinions that have is strictly my own the picket lines and the company walks in they throw whatever it is they want to give you on the table and that's it you can massage it you can move the money around you can do whatever you want but that's it and that's exactly what happened this time it's only this time i think it's kind of more under corporate blackmail they say take it or we're going to do this or we're going to do that and it's you know it's not good that's that's just exactly the way i feel well with one exception i don't consider what they dropped on the table to be a contract i believe it to be the gutting of a contract and i believe that if it's ever accepted you will see the death knell for unions in this country  am is one of the largest unions left and when the leadership in that huge union starts rolling over and playing lackey and lapdog for for management that signal something and it's not good not good for the working man at all well the unions the downfall starred years ago he got elected by working men voting for him because he really playing up the fact that he was the president of a union the screen actors guild yeah i'm a labor i'm just like you right but unfortunately it didn't work out that way and ever since we've been under the gun has it's been an uphill battle and it just amazes me the middle class of this country was formed by unions the you know they provide living wages and now you look across this you know i'm sitting here and i can see a map on the wall of united states and most of it is right to work for less dates and i'm going like wait a minute you know what happened in this country what happened to living wages why is it that people are out there making under fifteen dollars an hour and barely existing in this country it shouldn't be there's you know there's more that it's not a simple answer let's face it you know there's a lot of out of it ever get to the point in this country where labor fights among it self the nine unit in bad mouth thing union because we have more than they have they could have it too if they worked a little harder at organizing you work at a company that posts profits huge profits in most cases now days ye you're paid a substandard wage that you can barely live on you customs where every time you sit down to pay your bills in the end just isn't quite enough paycheck to make it to the next paycheck and instead of doing something about your situation with your fellow workers you bad mouth of those that did do something about it and get ahead and that's got to end people have to see we're all on the same team here well you know back to a time when fi was to meet somebody for the first time and the conversation come around what do you do for a living and i said well i work for the boeing company and the expression that came out of her mouth was oh you work for the lazy b and that just great me no in because the buoying product has a quality of the rolls royce you know and that quality is only put out the door due to the skills and the job integrity of the people who work for example you know and so well indicates to me when i hear somebody say that as number one they're in b s that i am making a living wage you know it just it bugs them that i'm able to be able to make a living wage and have a few binny's on the side that are not too bad and it just it's like wait a minute you know get off your in get out there and do something about your situation you know you can't just sit around and gripe about it you get to do something about it you know although it's to me anyway it's it's very obvious but and i thought it would be obvious to everybody because of the way i was raised you know raised in a union family and i paid attention there used to be actually in high school labor classes i don't know that they even have him in college anymore but i  you have a large company in one area and that company is unionized and the people that work there make a living wage they get the decent benefits father gets up and goes to work in the morning mom gets the kids off to school that's long gone but that was life in the forty's fifty's sixty's even into the seventy's that was the way it was here and the companies the peripheral companies that worked around of this large probably manufacturing which is just about done their employees benefited from that because in order for those companies to get and retain good workers they had to start offering more money better benefits never quite came up to what the union could get because you're you're bargaining by yourself you're not bargaining as a group so you don't have the necessary power to get a little more but when those union jobs are gotten in those large companies if they're even here anymore begin losing employees or giving away employees to other countries all those peripheral countries companies are going to see their wages and benefits hit rock bottom no matter how bad it gets for the union company those peripheral companies are going to be much worse off well but nobody seems to understand the concept anymore and it worked for decades it would still work well look what happened to the trades you know you had carpenters unions you had plumbers unions you know the whole nine yards and they all made living wages most of those unions are a thing of the past you know about to what they left as aerospace industry in the longshoreman i mean it's really pathetic and you look around and you see these people struggling with these  nonexistent jobs almost i mean they don't pay anything and they're trying to live on it and it just makes you sick when you you know that they could be a better way or they really could not was one of the items in the current proposal coming out of boeing was starting at a fifteen dollars an hour wage which as you've stated is not enough to feed a no it's not a living wage in some of the disciplines at boeing hourly work and work governed by the i am current starting wages if you are what they call pay a which is janitorial exclusively i believe it's eleven dollars an hour and it goes up to nineteen and i don't think they even get raises i could be wrong there i think they do get a bonus when anybody else does but their rate their wages are pretty well frozen at nineteen dollars an hour after a period of six years the next step up would be pay grade one and i believe that starts at about thirteen dollars an hour takes six years to hit your target and you get up to twenty some dollars and every pay grade after that higher in rate goes up and it goes to great eleven i think it's right in the neighborhood of about a dollar an hour each pay grade starts and the top pay grade which is eleven is a little over forty dollars an hour there's a handful of pm that is just kind of say you can count the number of grade eleven cs days on one hand just about because the company is you know they seen ok these guys are making too much money we're going to do it with that grade eleven system and they'll cut the wages down so i retired as a grade eleven but i'll tell you the number of people are left out there is middle i retired as a grade eight that was crane crew was a pretty good number a great apes throughout the factory in various functions and i think it's paying pretty close to forty bucks an hour right now  was thirty two or three when i retired but what they want to do is to take that and when i hired in it was a three year window you hire and that you're your step one pay and in three years you move up to your target i think it was the second contract after i was there they change might have been the first one they changed so it took six years to hit your target yeah  this abomination that they just dropped on the table six teen years to hit your target wage sixteen years and you can't keep up with the  surgeon probably does take sixteen years it is target but we're not surgeons we build airplanes and and with a rich history of building them well in let's say in comparison to the facility in south carolina that having trouble rolling plains yeah that they're lucky to get one airplane a month out of the front door and up there in everett they're stacking them out the door like cordwood and that's directly the fact that you have a base appear in the northwest people who have the skill levels to do the job it's you know it makes a big difference and i tell you the company y ou gotta keep that rolls royce quality because if you don't at the price they want for those birds they going to be long till you're going to have a real problem on your hands a friend of mine that i worked with said to me recently that if bill bowen could see what they're doing now he'd be rolling over in his grave and i said no he's not rolling over he's climbing out he's agri well when you say what they're doing expand on that what are they doing specifically that is bringing bill bolling back at the time i hired him that i think was right on the cusp of the change and my uncle had been our i think he was the head for toggery for the company from the forty's until he retired in the eighty's sometime if i can mention his name vern right wage my mother was a secretary back in the forty's and then quit t have kids and she went back in the sixty's and worked until she retired in the eighty's and i hired in i think what i said eighty eighty six yeah and that was right on the cusp when the engineers no longer ran the company and it became lawyers and bean counters and as soon as that happened well it's that most of the jobs you did there i mean sure some of them are awfully repetitious and there's a lot of you know mechanic is you know you're just part of the machine a lot of the jobs but in every one of those jobs you could take pride in the end result and people did and it was fun but they have sucked every bit of the fun out of the entire operation  people working fair now it's just i'm glad i'm right yeah i remember when the when the being counters took over and it really did it changed the whole scope of the plant so to speak to people there they used to really enjoy going to work it was a fun fun job and they took pride in the product like jack was saying that they took pride in their product that they put out we all did you know those really neat to work for a company that had a product that world over that name was a recognizable i mean you go out to the airport near the jetway waiting to board the airplane to look out the window and you see this plane sitting there and it has boeing written on it and how those people see that don't give it a second thought afterwards because that name says quality you know i'm going to have a good ride and so it makes everybody else proud to say yeah i helped put that name on that thing that's parked out there that travels millions of miles and carries millions of people and does it safely and you know comfortably for the most part except for their lines  they determine how much the space you're going to have but anyway they suck the fun out of yeah they do they kind of do but you know the fact is once they see that name on that aircraft it's they don't give it a second thought it's built in to be fair i have to say that i believe just all of my former coworkers and everybody that is there today and they must still have that same sense of pride when they finish the job but the pride is in what they do the pride is in the product i don't believe there's any pride in the company anymore well you know let's face it the guy the sits in that behind that mahogany desk in chicago has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of what goes out that front door you know the guy with the technical skills and the engineers with their skills that combined with the pride that puts that quality of that product that you know you can't get around that that has to be so anyway so how do you you were talking earlier about the number of companies that surround these manufacturing facilities and the people the benefit there i think some of those people if you you know read  the comment section of local papers which i don't actually recommend anyone to do but i do know that he's not whether you are basically like saying oh great thanks thanks i am for not doing the contract because now you're going to you're going to screw the rest of us over by your you're giving that up started a race to the bottom yeah he's just taken the lead on that race you know and they don't see it you know and when it was announced what were won out and he put that thing before the membership to vote on and you know i have to speak just for myself but i tell you i want to take an alternative that thing would have never seen the light of day the membership would never voted on that thing period it was just just couldn't believe it because you know i put all those years in serving the union in the membership and i looked at that and i'm thinking chad all that work and all that effort i put in is going down the toilet you know it's it's i can't believe it i would no way have anything to do with that piece you know what kind of cost on the table and i have to kind of feel sorry for top because he was you know he was being pounded by the state they wanted a piece of the action he had higher echelon of the i am  yeah great name right out after a while yeah you know i you know when i heard that i'm going like oh yeah oh yeah you know i know where you're at i know what happened and i'm sorry that you're in the hard spot but you know like they say if you're going to take the reins you better be able to hear the horses because that's the job he's the president of the local chapter of he's a district president of our local seven five one district yeah he's a destroyer union and sets it up a little different than most a local and most unions would be that office that represents the people in that town working in that industry but we are is district seven five one and within that there's four or four locals and they each local has certain discipline work disciplines like i was in a local a which is manufacturing he was in which is triads all ector onyx electrical types to see would be the machinist and tooling and i think is clerks and know their store operators and things like well when you have a company that big with that many employees that's the only way you can really effectively deal with it you're if if you are trying to be the jack of all trades and run the whole show just with one one group oh man you'd wind up in a mess so fast it wouldn't make your head spin but by breaking it up into these different groups you can represent these groups in in date and it works ok it works ok it was pretty good yeah and just that most people don't understand i'm great it's different than the way most other unions operate so do you anticipate that  what's going on now in politics because it always surprises me yeah but that position should be representing those who elected well yeah yeah he's the guy that's representing the entire group you know  manufacturing companies going out of business and all of a sudden nobody gets retirement that's gotten disappears there was some laws made many years ago i think under reagan could been bush the first but they were allowed used to be that the money for retirement was like in a lockbox it couldn't be couldn't touch it couldn't touch it it couldn't be added in as part of the company's value and i don't understand all the implications and intricacies of it but that changed and so now a company actually is allowed to not meet the necessary amount but they're going to have in the future in retirement just as long as they see that the checks get out on time and in a real bad economic downturn one that either shuts down a company or or brings it to its knees he's going to see a lot of retirements disappear that's scary but she when you're retired i really really hope that law gets changed back and that appears to be the trend with the across the board for corporations here in the u s of elimination of pensions and right moving people into for a one case yeah i know this guy that flew he was a captain for united airlines and flew the  long haul flight from here to australia and he had been putting his money faithfully into the pension plan and that he was going to retire and live really nice and guess what happened united yes what happened is  what has transpired in the last couple weeks what we can expect out of boeing or the i am i mean boeing is making these noises that they're going to start looking at out of state this may be wishful thinking on my part but building airplanes i believe is almost to the level of being built into the d n a of the people that live in this area boeing could not find a better workforce any place they went they might find a workforce that will work for half the money and not ask for any additional benefits but they're going to have a lot of trouble as has been evidence by all of the problems that they had over the past ten or twenty years with parts coming in from overseas that they can't use on an airplane they have to read to him every word retooled and reworked here you know i remember a period when they couldn't put landing gear on seven six seven as for months they had to put dummy landing gears on them because the stuff that was coming in was unusable i believe it was six seven they don't want to go through that again they couldn't possibly so i think what this was was their first offer not their last offer they went wanted to see what would happen if we bit if the membership bit and got scared because it's ruled by intimidation once again hey we won we've got we've got him there we've got him now but that didn't happen so now well go back and look at it again yeah well unfortunately jack though there's there's other things that are out there in the world that's been forces on this and sometimes the company can't control it and that's a back story that's going to take a while so i'm not going to get into that but when you start trying to sell your widget in worldwide market the marketplace changes out there and that's going to affect and how you do business news to give them payola thank you for having me and thanks for everybody coming out first i want to start off by saying that they would like to ask everyone  to send their prayers and positive thoughts to herman lalas the one of the members of the angola three who has been solitary confinement for forty two years  he currently is on his deathbed finally was released from prison couple days ago and we hope that he will be able to pull through because he is a very very wonderful spirit a very intelligent person someone who really could have helped us to make sense of what we're going through and we hope that he will pull through also for the of thousands of other inmates all over the country that have been in solitary confinement for up to you know twenty five to thirty years and it's really unimaginable that we in this country have people that have been locked up in a cell a six by nine suffering on the world and we still do for the last three to four hundred years and we've also put a lot of that suffering on our own people the american people right here acquired in essence it really has been a war between those who have and those who do not have and you know we've known this but over the last couple of years  with the movement that grew in new york the occupy movement it has become to the light of most americans that that we are the majority and that we really do have the power to make change is just that we do not know  that great illusion has been played upon us this poverty to greatest illusion in american history that we are dealing with right now which is why so many people do not know what's going on and they can see what is going on the last ten years we have seen street revolutions all over the world from south america to the arab world and people all over the world w change they want freedom they want justice they want peace but is a great empire and its satellite britain and israel and others that will not allow for the process needed to take place for the people to receive the justice that they are demanding all over the world they're waiting for us here in the belly of the beast to rise and resist but as a sit earlier the great illusion the greatest illusion in the history illusion the illusion that america is the greatest country on earth the illusion that we are a democracy when and fat we have overthrown freely democratic elected democracies all over the world the illusion that everything is getting better that jobs are coming back but the jobs that are coming back our lower paying jobs in the one that ones that left the illusion that our water is clean and our air is pure when in shoes that this is the most polluted environment in the world right here in our country the illusion that we have the best medical care system in the world but it is only for those who can afford it that eve even countries poorer countries like ghana and mexico and most of the countries in the world have free universal health care and we are the richest country in the world we cannot even make sure that our people who are sick in this country have the right type of medical care that they deserve the american people are massively complacent they are a movie culture and they have no idea what is happening to them yet more people are waking up more young people are getting tuned in to the truth and we have to help them to understand that we have the power that people have the power  many ways snowden has lit the fuse to he has expose this country for what it really is a country of liars and the country of the in a country of deceivers that deceived the american people for the last forty years during the black panther party air you know we wanted to change this country we wanted to make this country a better place and we wanted to do it by any means necessary you know whether it was the ballot of the bullet and we learned very early that it wasn't going to be the bullet that had to be an other means we knew that the american people were not ready for the change that we learned to bring about and so what we did was we started what was survival programs and we used the survival programs not just to educate people but also to help people to be able to survive and that's when we went and started breakfast programs for school children that fit thousands of kids all across this country we opened up free medical clinics we opened up free eleven medical clinics and across this country we opened up in it to ambulance programs in harlem and one in north carolina we we started what was called a liberation school because there were no aftercare programs at that time for working class families so we started what was liberation school  and we were open during the summer we're working families could bring their kids to deliberation school we provided breakfast and lunch and we educated and then took the month field chips the black panther party started over thirty five to forty different programs you know we raise a consciousness about sickle cell anemia when black people knew nothing about sickle cell anemia we went out and tested thousands of young black people all across the country for sickle cell anemia so  ere we were a somali organization yet we were able to create these programs and work towards creating a level of consciousness that we knew that we needed and that's something we were always cognizant that we had to raise the level of consciousness of the people and to our program we were able to do that by providing these services and getting people involved in valentino work in its services we were able to create community and really empower people the other major thing that the black panther party did was we had a newspaper we had a newspaper that came out continuously doing the ho fifteen years of the black panther party because we used to say that power is the ability to divine phenomena and make it act in a desired manner and if you don't have the ability to define phenomenon for the people then you are losing the battle and that's what has been taking place over the last thirty years is that somebody else is defining the phenomenon and it's taking the power away from us so that's one of the things i think that we have to really understand is we don't have control of the media we don't have control of any of the media you know there's democracy now there's this is you know this is al jazeera and is our t v there's some other websites which are good but we need to have a better grasp of controlling the message so that we can define what the message is and so that we can help create the power that we need to make the changes that we need one of the other things that we learned to do in the black panthe party was bra coalition building and that was one of the things that we were really very good at was building brod coalitions with a lot of different people you know poor whites the tino's native and along with the young lord and the black panther party they created the first rainbow coalition which became a threat to the mayor daley machine and if anybody knows anything about chicago and the mayor daley machine you will know that that was a very powerful force but when this coalition came about and begin to to challenge the mayor daley machine that's when they killed  one of the most important figures in the black panther party from the air so we have to understand it we have to really start organizing you know we have to look long term we can't think short term i there's some things that we can do in the short term but we've got to think long term we've got to think four years eight years twelve years down the line you know we have the ability where we can take over a a woman working class woman to be mayor of richmond california which is a small working class city outside of oakland and they had begin to challenge the share bran corporations and challenge the banks and get in the stop foreclosing on people and it's an example of what we can do you know we have the ability to you know  get people that we want to get elected to the school board so that we can change what is happening with our public school system and in our young people really are the future am not just saying that is rhetoric and that is something that we are always understood that the black panther party always and to that is the young people are the future and if we don't are able to give the correct information if we are able to educate them in teach them then we have lost a battle about six months ago someone asked me to come speak at madison middle school to a group of middle school students and i wasn't quite sure how what type of response that i would get but i went and i was there for three hours i spoke to three different classes of these middle school students and they they seriously distant to what i say and each one of them wrote me a letter afterward i read on hundred letters from and i was blown away from what they said you know really gave me power it really gave me strength to know that these young people are listening and they want to know the truth and i've been on a book tour all across the country in africa i found the same thing that a lot of young people are inquisitive about what is going on and they want change but they they don't know how to do it and that's where the to help them whenever possible we've got to share what we have whenever possible because they are the ones that has the energy that is going to really push to make this change the change that we need because we are up against a monster you know we have the tar sands kids in in in canada who would have believed that canada would have gone so far to the right that they're completely all the time polluting the waters polluting the rivers you know they're fracking in most every state in the country and it's already been proven net fracking causes earthquakes and now i just read this the heads together and we have to think strategically we have to think long term we have to think about taking over seventy city councils we can take over the city council we can do it you know we got enough people to do it we just got to find the right people we got to be able to be willing to reach across barriers when i ran for u s senate with the green party i did a lot of organizing on the east side of the mountains and i really truthfully didn't wasn't sure what i was going to find but i had a in intuition that you know those conservative people over there would be willing to listen and that's exactly what i found out you know i've talked to conservative people but mainly these people were poor and these people were struggling and these people were suffering and they were willing to listen to anybody they came along anybody that was going to promise to something better even though i was black even though i was a black panther they were willing to listen to me the largest percentage of votes that i got was east of the mountains and when somebody asked me when obama was getting ready to run for president they said man white folks have gone broke free and i say yes they will because they are desperate they will vote for him because they want change and unfortunately obama was not to change it we were looking for so so we've got to go across these barriers because somebody is a conservative because somebody is is whatever of whatever we have to be willing to talk to them because in the end we are human beings know we're not going to be able to really create the type of world do we want to create for our kids because we have the power we've got the power to change and we got to understand it you know we are the power power to people that's what we  everybody out here to say it all power to the people once again all power to the people all right thank you all right who's first let me say first say it wasn't always like that when i was growing up and first let me say that you know the type of culture that we have here is like no other culture in the world because it is a moving culture you know like most cultures you know they have have things that are sacred they have things that have been around for thousands of years they have certain things that they just do not  forget or they don't worship over we don't have that in this culture nothing in this culture is staying this culture just washes over everything for the purpose of  now when i was growing up you know i lived in in the center area with a lot of chinese japanese the filipino you know and when i was before i was in chicago polish and italian and you know we had a cultural value system then you know we had a culture a value system that was very similar to a lot of the cultures in the world you know a lot of indigenous culture you know we had certain tenets like you know always respected elders you know that the community was first that children were sacred did everybody in the community looked out for children that you know if you went away to school you went away to college you were going to come back to your community and bring those things back to your community and those things don't exist anymore you know one of the things that started happen in the seventy's was they really  that's how we were able to stick together that's how we were able to create the movements that we had back then because you know nobody talked about going and becoming a millionaire nobody really talked about that during that time period it was all about community it was all about family and if you got a house you got a job you took your you kids that was that was enough that you needed you know but in the seventy's and eighty's we g we begin to push another direction they begin to push individual listen much more harder than they had before because they knew that by pushing individual listen you can have more control over the people and that is what is ha knew that were old and sacred they were all washed away and this is kind of where we have gotten gotten to where we're at now yeah because i see that in albuquerque new mexico where they have a good public school system and they have a good charter school system they have charter schools that are designed specifically for certain kids you know so it depends on who the person is that is studying the charter school if you're a corporation that comes in and takes over a school then you have your objective but what you're trying to achieve if you're a community organizer and you come in then you have dejected that you know that you are trying to pee and that you create institution that will work best for a lot of kids in a network that it may not work for in the public school you know it's about setting an example and that's one thing that the black  pioneered the whole way of a social service you know we set the example of how social service should be conducted by creating those breakfast programs and what we did was we forced the government to allocate money in one thousand nine hundred eighty four for breakfast programs and lunch programs all across the country and we have those to this very day we did the same thing with the medical clinic we started these eleven medical clinics all across the country we forced to government we set the example of how to create medical care with small community medical clinics and in one nine hundred seventy four the government allocated money for community medical clinics which is what we have today and we did also did that with the free legal aid program there were no legal aid programs at the time we got some doctors the valve some lorries to volunteer their time once a week at our community centers and  eighty four the government allocated money for these legal a program so you know we can we can set the example you know and we could use it would be wrong for us to say charter schools are bad get rid of charter schools is going to subvert the public school system where the public school system is just they have just totally really destroyed a messed up the public school system and until we are able to take control of the public school system then we have to use what is available to us and make it work for us you know you know we got to order to you know open up a medical clinic and we didn't know what to do  fortunately enough we met a neural surgeon at the university of oregon named dr john green he was already our physician and we told him what we had to do and we just started doing it you know we got medical supplies donated you know we backed up our van at the university of washington has been we started all kinds of stuff we got nurses to volunteer their time and then pretty soon community people start volunteering their time and it just it just grew from that you know it was the same thing with the breakfast program where we opened up the breakfast program you know we were robbing our mother's refrigerator to get food for the breakfast program you know and then we expanded to five locations pretty soon the welfare mothers start coming down and asking if they could volunteer pretty soon they took over the breakfast program we just had to make sure to food there so you just gotta start somewhere you just got a star you know and  and if there's a need it's going to grow it's going to grow from there yeah i think that is one of the things that we really have to do is to recreate our cold you because you can't survive without our cultural values system you know and right now you know in it for anybody who was born in the forty's in the early fifty's and you look at where we're at now we don't have a cultural value system and that is that's was really hurting us and is what is really really affecting us more than anything else that we don't have something that grounds us to say that we are a community and we are family and this is sacred and this isn't sacred and this is how we should move forward in and this is the ways we should that move forward and and you know we have to try to find some way to recruit a cultural value system that says that that the earth is the most important thing for us at the earth's abstains us and provides the food for us and that the elders how can you have a culture where the elders are not the most respected element in the community you can't have it you can't have you can't have a functional society where the elders and not the most respected element and we're children are not the cherished element and and where you have to give back to the community and you have to give back to the family and you have to give back to you know where you came from and that is one thing you still see the indigenous cultures that is the one thing that they have that will allow them to survive even though you find you know a lot of things in our regular society you find a lot of those problems in indian nations and in indigenous cultures but you know that they're going to survive because in the end they have that strong culture that has been around for thousands of years that will help them survive and helped and to make it through and nesta we have to get back to what we have to recreate is is family and connection the family and what you know which when you go out into the world that you're going to bring that back you know that's what we have to instill in our kids and with and madge innovation we kind of let the ball go with that because we was the first was is to exploring how to get away from our culture you know which was which was not a good thing that was a mistake on our part and so we owe it to our generations to work towards trying to reach create a real cultural value system that's a good idea that we said when i was growing up we had a potluck every two weeks in our church and at it i just remember you know going to those products as a kid and just member how they felt everybody bringing their food and sharing and talking and that is a great way good idea