tuning in in other channels if you do have a cell phone if you please put it on silent that'd be fantastic and we are missing two folks tonight dana has a family commitment and karen is has a family community as well we're sending her our best her husband's not feeling well so send her our best if you please join me in the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for a moment of silent prayer that'd be great okay proclamation october twenty one thousand nine hundred and thirty four as the city of lakewood recognizes it has a vital role in identifying protecting and responding to cyber threats which may have significant impact to our individual and collective security and privacy and whereas critical infrastructure sectors are increasingly reliant on information systems to support financial services energy telecommunications utilities government service delivery health care and emergency response systems and whereas internet users in the city of lake woods information infrastructure faced an increasing threat of malicious cyberattacks significant financial and personal privacy losses du identity theft and fraud and whereas maintaining the security of cyberspace is a shared responsibility in which each of us has a critical role to play an awareness of computer security essentials will improve the security of the city lake woods information infrastructure as well as the economy and whereas the president of the united states of america the united states department of homeland security the multi state information sharing and analysis center and the national security alliance  recognize october as national cyber security awareness month and all citizens are encouraged to visit their websites to learn about cyber security and to put the knowledge into practice in their homes schools workplaces and businesses now therefore on behalf  if you want to say the same okay no are there any questions i would just like to say i know this is an ongoing project for our city always learning more always trying to train every user who's involved on the system and i think counsel now has tests that come through to see if we're being phished but this is critically important because we've seen other communities that have kind of been hijacked and held at ransom and as we've continued to shift and move into the the cyber world i appreciate all that staff does to try to keep us and our residents safe yep thank you please read item five into the record item five resolution two thousand and nineteen thirty eight appointing john buckley brad green crystal lee and phil shapiro to serve on the board of directors  you hit speak instead of vote it's okay passes nine is zero nays and are any of the folks here today if you are please stand up well thank you for th awesome okay next up it looks like we have public comment this is the point in the meeting where the public is invited to address the city council on items that did not appear on the agenda all comments should be directed to the city council i ask that all in attendance observe the decorum of the city council chambers and refrain from applause or audible support or discord with the speaker i'll read those names from the public comment roster and ask that you line up on both sides of the room on these aisles if you have not signed up to speak please stop by the clerk's and sign the roster will help make sure that we have a record and can get you any answers to questions or follow up that is needed three minutes is the time limit so this little box would be green two and a half and i think there's a countdown on it now and then yellow at thirty seconds in red when your time is and first off we have karen morgan and you are gonna speak for mister winter matt boyles and brian are you all here alright good evening i am karen morgan a lakewood resident of twenty three years first of all thank you all for the time you put into the city and for your attention tonight for the record i am with a group called crash that has been launching model rockets in bear creek lake park for thirty years the park is now withdrawing its permission to launch as of two thousand and twenty and we protest we are once again here to bring you facts that you may not be aware of first of all let me explain that we are talking about model rockets model rockets are toys made out of cardboard wood or plastic having a replaceable engine that uses propellant not explosive model rockets are regulated under the lakewood ordinances within the fireworks section in the public peace and safety chapter of the lakewood code title nine fireworks are covered explicitly this chapter shall not be construed to prohibit the sale or use of model or education rockets let me repeat the city's own code for peace and safety says it shall not prohibit the sale or use of model or educational rockets parks is now trying to apply the generic term dangerous missiles to these toys thus unofficially rewriting code even if we accepted a new definition the applicability clause pertains to the whole parks and recreation section clearly allowing their use we've had an evolving list of reasons for why the park has decided to ground us the original letter stated that they are now excessively busy perhaps this is a reference to lake woods growth but i have to hope that they are not suggesting that new users should be able to displace old users or that i'm minority activity can be displaced by more popular activity that already exists in multiple locations the park goes on to state that they've had increased conflicts complaints and natural resource impacts we did a kora request to find this information and find no documented evidence of any of these problems in fact the kora records show that park staff said in emails that quote we have not had complaints yet and quote in honesty we worked fine with them there and quote the let the letter went on to state that model rocket use is against the municipal code i've already shown you that this is not correct so if those arguments are not real maybe the real issue is the park compatibility to that i must remind you this is a multi use park with the uses decided by we the citizens and you the council even using the erroneous dangerous missile interpretation there is a clause for permission given by the director if the city meant to prohibit any activity the code would say prohibited when the power to give permission is abused to completely prohibit intended activities it is time to take back that power staff is not a policymaking board you the city council are the final argument by the city as of december was concerned over fire danger crash agrees that fire risk is a serious business and we treat it as such councillors abel and johnson saw that for themselves when they took us up on our open invitation to join us for a launch thank you counselors for taking the time we have fire equipment extinguishers water and personnel on site and ready if there is a problem we did have one such problem with a fire small enough to be mostly forgotten and since then model rocket fire safety codes have become more stringent and we've added more robust on site equipment crash follows the national standards listed here and can respond even faster than west metro which is right across the street i have heard it said that any risk of fire is too much let me point out that fire statistics show that the most common cause of fire is cooking but most of us still cook everyday as far as model rockets i defer to nasa who says if you follow the rules model rockets are as safe as any other toy as seen from crashes viewpoint there didn't seem to be an incredible reason for us to be turned away from our long history in our designated official area so we came to our city councilors for answer we were lucky enough to have councilors frank's and skilling there to listen to us councillors frank took frank's took the time to point us to procedures on how to find the information we need thank you counselor for your time since then we've been attending sitting meetings and have heard secondhand that the parks claim that the army corps of engineers prohibits model rocket launches on their land another core request brought us the park lease which showed the city is fully in charge of recreational activities including model rockets the city may be under the misunderstanding that the city that the corps prohibits model rockets under the explosives firearms other weapons and fireworks regulation however model rockets do not meet any of his legal definitions as we explained before model rockets use propellant not explosive if the park would have been gracious enough to talk to us about these concerns we could have cleared up any misunderstanding to clear up any lingering confusion i'm putting up a keynesian by the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms it says as a result of recent court decision ammonium perchlorate composite propellant a pcp is no longer regulated under the federal explosive law the history of this court case shows that there was not an actual problem with the model rockets or their engines and but that one department changed their term from quote toy propellant to model rocket engine and other departments didn't keep up with the changes so created confusion and after there was enough confusion it had to go to court and the government lost it because it was regulating what it shouldn't have been in at any point this is exactly what is happening today in lakewood as we let staff change the term from model rockets to dangerous missiles and thereby lose the intended policy decisions of the council opening the city up to the same legal action a follow up discussion with councillor franks showed that the community resources director was providing additional information to the councilor to the council that we were not aware of so another thanks to the councillor frank's for transparency that information included the number of calls to the park from the lakewood police department there's absolutely no mention of model rockets in that communication so perhaps the director meant to show that the other activities at bear creek park caused more problems with model rockets in which case i have to say thank you to the director we try her letter also said that the army corps would quote more than likely unquote prohibit fireworks close to the dam i'm surprised that no one took the time to find a more definitive answer for you but i can tell you that model rocket propellant classified as un one four four two is not a registered fireworks all of which are by are listed here this is probably more than any of us wanted to know about model rockets lost and this message is all the good things we do for families scouts civil air patrol and our scientific community i'd like to thank all our neighbors who offered their help and all the testimony we got  last council meeting because of that support the park staff reached out to us to meet unfortunately it turned out that all they would discuss was alternative sites they said they were moving the park into more passive pursuits i would not be able to accommodate crash any longer my question for you the city council is who defines passive pursuits who changed the official multi use policy of the park was this you or was it the staff  crash leadership offered to help with any problems we could advertise launch dates on the park website perhaps signs along the drive like they do for other special activities which would help answer questions so the park wouldn't have to be bothered as much however we were turned down now that we know that there aren't really too many problems with the park but we still be willing to help these are common sense measures we ask you once again to take action on this matter by changing the structure of the ordinance so the staff cannot make their own policy to deny us use our parks would need to change existing ordinances to turn multi use to limited use or redefine terms as it stands the city code allows model rocket launches and this battle for us to continue is an unfair burden to those of us enjoying our city's parks for decades we need additional language and clarification to make sure park staff do not put this burden on us or anyone else in the future thank you thank you very much miss hannigan  attending a scout build session where the cub scouts had you know about twenty scouts together and their parents and we all got out kits and had a real good time for a couple hours building these  kits they learned a lot at the scout meeting about building the kits and i oversaw it so a lot of these rockets were very well built and then on our next launch that group is coming out and i will help them fit their motors and everything and they'll launch their rockets so we'll be able to get through them real quick and it's a great educational opportunity for third through sixth graders also  wanted to tell you the story that about some of the other educational things we do we had a group from cu aerospace engineers top school in the country for that and they had a project and they brought their rocket to crash to launch so we have very stringent safety procedures in place so the team brought up their rocket and took it to the our safety officer and they got rejected so they said hey dave come over here help these guys out so i've flown a lot of complex rockets and and these guys will want to fly a complex rocket because of course their rocket scientists so i went through went through their rockets and fixed a couple things right in the field and and got them all ready and we took and we launched that rocket successfully and it was you know when you're dealing with complex rockets you know we have the skills and things to help these guys through this and so it was a real successful launch and one of scout's little guys was watching it he just fell down like well height you fall down he said oh that was fall down cool you know he was just three engines going off and so so we do have very strict safety procedures we have an officer that checks the rockets if they're not what we want to have flying and we have rules on when like a complex rocket you can't launch that all the time there's only certain days when their fire danger is low otherwise you can't even launch them at all and there are rockets we reject because they're just not you know up to snuff so when you and so thanks for your time thank you  good evening mayor and council my name is kathy kentner and i'm here to address community concerns over the strategic growth initiative and request that you as a council take an active role in directing staff to implement the people's citywide initiative there seems to be some confusion as to what this ordinance actually does the strategic growth initiative provides oversight it does not stop development it adds it does add a layer of oversight so that you our city council can make sure our comprehensive bant plan is being properly implemented as an example of how important this oversight is i would like to remind you that it was at you very last meeting just two weeks ago that this council including the ward two councillors found that the staff recommendation was wrong and the proposed rezoning amounted to spot zoning according to councilor the b and did not follow the terms of our comprehensive plan according to many of the rest of you on council without this oversight staff would have approved the wrong project for lakewood and that is what the growth initiative is all about giving you city council the power to make sure our city develops in the right way by exempting large areas of the city such as opportunity zones you give away your oversight and we risk projects that do not follow our comprehensive plan it is a mis implementation of our zoning ordinance which prompted this initiative to begin with tonight you will discuss a request to change the ordinance and limit your right to oversight how did this happen how did a request for counsel action get on the agenda so quickly when counts are able counsel are able put forth a request to uphold our constitutional right to vote by removing the obstacles they left it off the ballot his request was not put on the very next agenda instead we had a wait over a month but a request to skirt the will of the voters gets on the agenda immediately councilor beaters request for council to consider a compliance officer submitted nearly two months ago still has not appeared as an agenda item the strategic growth initiative won by fifty three percent to forty four seven percent it was a citywide vote on a citywide ordinance it applies and must apply to the entire city mayor paul won his election by a mere one percentage point fifty point five nine percent to forty nine point four percent but he is still mayor for the entire city to discuss and report results of a citywide election in terms of ward vote totals is unprecedented as well as divisive and ugly and apparently very humorous to councillor libby err according to the county clerk the city requested that results be reported by ward why the motives for tonight's request for council action are questionable also questionable are the mayor's and other city representatives actions when they spread misinformation throughout the media during the league of women voters for him the mayor stated that there were no density limits removed and thirteen altered zoning ordinance this is not the truth as shown here prior to two thousand and thirteen city zoning included two different multifamily zone districts for our medium density attached residential less than twelve units per acre and five our higher density residential quote a density of less than twenty five dueling units per acre density limits the zoning ordinance which went into effect in april  thirteen and has only one multifamily zone district does not contain density limits clearly there were density limits and now there are none and yet the mayor and city leaders use their titles to mislead constituents and others even a reputable media outlets such as colorado public radio was duped when someone from the city had a story quote corrected to say that density limits hadn't been removed lastly but possibly most importantly as the representative of the majority of lakewood voters i am asking you to do what the community has asked you to do for months now implement the strategic growth initiative as passed by the voters define quote formerly applied as having needed a final site plan approval prior to building permit application and then go through all of the building permit applications to determine which projects were indeed formally applied for and which projects were rushed through to building permit application too soon we have also asked for allocations for individuals needing single allocations to be allowed to draw them now rather than wait until january but council has been silent on this point possibly affecting negatively affecting the ability of an individual to build their own single family home or a currently projects over forty units or more waiting to be built in two thousand and twenty should be scheduling hearing so that they are ready to draw allocations when they become available in january where are these projects why haven't we seen any hearing scheduled yet council should also be starting to discuss the number of allocations available for each pool but the public has yet to see this as an agenda item rather than implement the strategic growth initiative the law in lakewood and ensure proper development according to our comprehensive plan war two councilors seem to be finding ways to get around the ordinance rather than suggesting a developer follow our law and schedule a hearing they are trying to skirt the law but the people have spoken so as the representative of the petition and as a representative of the majority of oh i am asking you city council to take charge of this ordinance please do what is necessary to direct staff to implement this ordinance there seems to be some confusion as to what this ordinance actually does the strategic growth initiative provides oversight it does not stop development it does add a layer of oversight so that you our city council can make sure our comprehensive plan is being properly implemented thank you thank you good evening good evening i'm here to talk about the new updated campaign finance reporting system that we worked on last summer and last fall and it leaves it it's  wanting each candidates report are in a pdf format and our twenty one pages long the first page is has a name of the committee and the bank information but i don't know how much cash is in the account or how much money has been raised until i get to page twenty one music individual contributions are reported for the current report but there is not a total that's cumulative for the whole election cycle reports are filed on paper and then appear to be hand stamped by the city clerk's office and then scanned and uploaded and they're not necessarily due on the i mean they're not available on the day that they're d e that seems labor intensive to me so in their forms are not searchable because they're in pdf so if we want to see how much a person has given across the board we have no way of doing that so this morning i spent about an hour downloading the mayoral reports and from here a little chart that shows where we are so in total we've the in the mayor race through september rd about fifty thousand dollars has been raised between the two candidates and expenditures which are in a different report are about fifteen zero so for the next cycle we need to work on this and make it much more user friendly thank you thank you diane and then i worked for one of the oh sorry diane duffy i work for one of liquids larger employers and i'm here with some good news our company is taking the lead to room o bct has started a community garden program right on site for the for the employees we have three thousand employees there and for some of them like me i said at a computer all day to generate a sense of community to get us out into this fifty acre campus that we have collins and the green area that you see is now landscaped beautifully we have a wonderful landscape company that maintains this it's all being ripped up no more watering no more fertilizing and no more paying the landscaper y ay it's going to be forty two raised beds for the employees to grow their own crops now that comes with stipulations this is an organic garden there will be no chemicals allowed no power tools you have to work with a shovel and that's good to be good for all of us we have to do it on our own no asking our facilities people to come and could you just give me a hand with this none of that we're all gonna be in there digging in the dirt together our ward one counselors johnson abel thank you very much they've been with us since the beginning i thank you for your support coming to our meetings financial support getting out the checkbooks our company is getting everything built for us they're adding the water but we have to put a fence around it we have to not only keep out any individuals for liability purposes but there's also those pesky critters they're gonna get in there and eat our lettuce and we can't have that either so we have to raise the money to build a fence this is one of our fundraisers councillor johnson account s are able were kind enough to come and open up their wallets to that too so i am charging you with how can you help us i think this is a good example for other businesses within liquid to do things like this take up that lawn put in a community garden you guys could come and visit you could mentor if you have some skills in this area mentor a a new gardener that's just starting out maybe you know what guest speaker we could have at one of our meetings do you have any extra garden tools you could donate your time is always welcome i don't know maybe you like weeding gardens planting tomatoes and money how we really could use some donations so i challenge evening hello mayor hello council i appreciate this opportunity and mine is short and sweet maybe not sweet for some but i am here just because i want it on the record that i am against short term rentals and bed and breakfasts in the city of lakewood i don't feel that it's safe and it i want to live in a community not a hotel motel where people are coming and going i currently live in a small condominium complex and i understand that there is one rental that is a weekly done on a weekly basis that's illegal in the city of lakewood and it is also against our hoa which i have made aware of but i just want it on the record that i am currently against that thank you for your time thank you then sherry miranda has been an awful experience it has been a nightmare it has been scary it was a quiet block before then and i was raised in in in lakewood and all of my family and friends live there my concern is for the safety and the well being of all of my neighbors the elderly and children there are five single women that live on this block we all look out for each other we all help each other out and the last two years have been pretty scary for all of us  problems are cars coming and going all hours of the day and night they are all from out of state we don't know who these people are we don't know why they are here they park in front of all of our houses because the owner of the homeowner is telling absolutely cannot park in the driveway of this b and b and it's a four car driveway don't ask me why they're being told they cannot park there so then when we have our family members or our friends come to our houses there's cars all up and down the street two houses down from the b there is an assessor right that comes four days a week for a handicapped child and out the time they can't even pull up in the driveway to do that so i think that's pretty unfair to that family in that child our doors have been knocked on all hours of the day and night looking for the bed and breakfast food has been left on our doors from uber uber delivery people they've just left food on our door because they can't find the right house we've had three neighbors on our block going through chemotherapy so for them to be awakened by car alarms going off cars coming and going at in the morning people moving in and people moving out i think it's pretty inconsiderate of that homeowner to not even consider that the other problem is snow removal and trash the homeowner does not live on site so he has no idea who's shoveling nobody's being told to and then trash piles up cars have gotten broken into on our block and all of this stuff never happened i'm not saying we live on a perfect block at all but none of this stuff happened and everything that has happened on this block in the last two years always refers back to that house something or somebody at that house is it goes back to that i've been in constant come with the mayor's office i've made phone calls to code enforcement code enforcemen probably a year ago up to police patrol on our street i thank them for that but i've got police officers and sheriff's in my family and i think that out of respect for our police officers they've got better things to do than to drive by and see who's what's going on in these houses they've got other things to attend to other cities such as denver littleton arvada it's been on the news they don't want it either right now in denver i believe there's four people in jail for signing off the david's that they live on the premises and they do not and i get liquid doesn't have any of those roles in place right now but i've been told one phone call it's illegal one phone call it is so anyway i'm just asking that you take a look at this and  consider it it's not safe for any of our neighborhoods thank you said cherie and then doc and then chad and that's all that signed up so if you still wish to speak please come and see the clerk and sign in good  evening i am sherry miranda i'm with kw commercial a commercial real estate broker and first of all i want to express on behalf of our clients that are in the lakewood area the appreciation to the council for opening up the conversation of blight again tonight with regards to ward two and the opportunity zones my question tonight though also has to do with the strategic growth initiative with with regard to senior senior housing and we we've heard we've had people developers that are interested in different parcels that we have listed for our clients that have interest in doing senior housing and they feel there getting conflicting information on how that falls within the strategic growth initiative and so we would just like to get some clarification on that how that applies if they have to go into the if they're exempt if they go into the allocation process all of that and again this is on behalf of our clients that  are in some ways that felt that their properties have been devalued based on some of these restrictions just wanting clear clarification for what can go on on their properties thank you thank you d like an astronaut since one thousand nine hundred and ninety more than three hundred and twenty thousand children have experienced my programs the family of a student who attended my space camp last summer contacted me and asked me to attend the rocket launch at park on september st i attended that entire event from ten a m to two p m i was impressed with the professionalism of the nonprofit group launching the rockets they were organized had clear rules and a focus on kid safety and fire safety they were patient and caring with everyone there i spoke with more than twenty of the adults and many of the kids there there was an excitement in the air and everyone was engaged it's important that children get to try new things and engage in activities that they have a passion it's this engagement that fuels their learning keeps them positive and working hard today eighty seven percent of all adults are unhappy i say it's because they were not allowed to engage in subjects that they were interested in as kids we need to allow kids to take action and do things now just play video games and watch youtube so your partnership with this nonprofit is important where else can families an adult rocket hobbyists learn about rockets in such an organized way and it's a win win situation it's a win because the nonprofit organization is well established with continuity and strong leadership they are committed to their cause they're part of a national organization have proven safety rules an eleven million dollar liability insurance in place they are the kind of organization every city wants in a partnership to offer special expertise manpower and at no cost to the city even better every car entering this park pays so it's a moneymaker for liquid it's a wing because it allows like what the report having this city nonprofit partnership such partnerships are dreamed about by other cities we've had this one for more than thirty years this partnership should be part of the next effort to make lakewood named an all american city it's a wing because it allows lakewood kids to safely launch rockets and learn about and learn from adult mentors who are there at every launch parents with kids can go to a safe place and learn about twenty four acres it has space for this activity i'm confident our parks and rec people and the city planners can figure it out let's get it figured out and then let's go get some liquid community classes out at that park thank you thank you i'm good evening my name is chad and i was hoping to talk about the high level of alignment between the opportunities own purpose and the lakewood growth ordinance purpose when the lakewood citizen reviewed the citizen initiated ordinance and we had to determine whether we would vote with her against the ballot question two hundred it was a citizen ordinance that was a place to understand what we were voting on i read the purpose and intent of ordinance two hundred which noted this ballot initiative if passed would continue to encourage redevelopment of blighted and distressed neighborhoods that was part of its purpose like any regular guy reading material to make an informed vote as everyone would expect one is likely to start with the purpose because when you get into all the nitty gritty and a confusing body of the ordinance itself you can always lean back on the purpose that was provided to help ground your understanding and to make sure you keep the right perspective in mind before casting a vote and when i read this as the overarching theme and the purpose to include encourage redevelopment of blighted and distressed neighborhoods i was absolutely thinking about all sorts of different areas throughout the two creeks neighborhood i constantly walk bike and drive the opportunities own streets and neighborhoods in lakewood and like this citizen ordinance has encouraged we should certainly be encouraging redevelopment of blighted and distressed neighborhoods god help us if that's not what we're trying to do we don't have to bury your head and ignore our own common sense when we were looking at these obviously bli structures littered throughout the opportunity zone seeing parcel after parcel meeting all the colorado legislative indicators of blight slums poor access unsanitary unsafe site deterioration lack of public improvements environmental concerns unhealthy constant stand on its own purpose and intents the irs is purpose statement for the opportunities own regulations notes they were designed to spur economic development in distressed communities so any voter thinking about encouraging redevelopment of blighted and distressed neighborhoods was without a doubt thinking of opportunities own neighborhoods you guys have the tough job of trying to apply the citizen ordinance and i would recommend that when you're not sure how to apply this language in the ordinance go back to what the writers told the voter in the original purpose i've come here to speak on behalf of the single we can't talk tonight because she's trying to put her kids to bed right now and can't pay for a childcare person while uh the city council meeting is going on i'm here to speak on behalf of the hard working latino dad hauling cement up and down our sidewalks and doesn't speak any english as he fights for his kids to become first generation college students i'm here to speak on behalf of the molested child who grew up in foster care and now finds himself shooting heroin in monter park to numb the pain is currently unable to present here this evening and i'm speaking on the behalf of the children in these vulnerable neighborhoods whose lives will be significantly impacted by the opportunities and the people and the places they grow up and recognizing that a lot of this distress hasn't actually manifest into their future lives yet and we have an opportunity to change that i'm here to speak on behalf of the grandma on her children her grandchildren living under one roof and sleeping three to four to a bedroom has two full time adults who are working every day unable to find sufficient affordable housing in lakewood and recognizing that their homes up serve more and more desperate thank you thank you zone investor as having a pose of having that fund when i spoke then i said there's not much time if this is gonna happen if you're going to take advantage of the fact that lakewood worked hard like what identified opportunities and more blight needs to happen not a month ago so now is close to it month ago and we don't have much time i understand there's a process and  i hope as you get into the discussion he's work order fourteen on the resolution that jacob put forward and sharon put forward you can talk through what that process looks like and how fast that process can happen the opportunity zone is a very time limited scenario that money's going elsewhere i went elsewhere last week and closed a property in kansas city probably gonna close a couple more because it's not gonna happen here the time is what it is the times not not on our side and as one's straight forward it's not even going through the whole opportunity zone this one's saying just the heavily zoned areas in the opportunity zone that are clearly underutilized this one seems to be to be a pretty easy call you got to figure out what that process looks like that's above my pay grade we have the town attorney here tim cox and i think you can tell us what to do i hope you guys can see through unfortunately dana and karen are not here who i know see those positives and i hope that the other council people can see the need that word two has to make this happen this is your chance and it has to happen fast because that money's going elsewhere like i said i've already spent a good portion of mine  learning that is going with model rocketry and especially out of the bear creek launch site it is phenomenal as an educator i've never seen anything quite like it makes me feel good every time i go out there and help those kids and and  hate to see it lost and it is safe i'm also a licensed pyrotechnician with the federal atf ii it's called and i volunteer with a number of pyro companies and i manufacture stuff i belong to the pyro club it's called the pyrotechnic guild rocky mountain pyrotechnic ill still got all my fingers and my good looks and it's with the help other people and so i think i know what's going on when we talk safety and when i see the rocketry club out there i feel very confident that it is safe i mean i want to make you feel good as good as i feel about it i mean it's it's a hoot it's such a privilege to come here and speak to you and the privilege to work up at the shoot with the kids and the rest of the rocketry club and so i'd hate to see it lost you know we had the first rocketry club about four miles northwest of the site that we're at now and that's the birthplace model rocketry in america so yeah we're very fortunate and if there's anything we can do that compromise or work and make this thing work we're all very malleable so i thank you for the time thank you all right anybody else  comment with that and just address a couple things to our rocketeers and thanks to our last speaker pyrotechnics that sounds pretty fun we have a commitment from staff to continue to have these conversations and work with you and  that was reiterated again today by our city manager so i'd encourage you to continue those conversations air b and b that is something the housing committee is going to be looking at so there'll be opportunity in those public meetings those will be open as well to have some feedback and i know councillor franks is looking at maybe some different tools to do some different kind of polling as well to get some more feedback in regards to that senior housing there was a question about that maybe we can follow up i don't know i don't think we have an answer for you from the dyess but that's certainly something that it needs to be addressed in and will be and maybe there's a better answer from staff and then didn't miss feely leave i think she did we appreciate her feedback she was a big part i think of participation in the campaign finance and thought that at one time we did have some new software but i think as this continues to evolve we'll see better product and and she made some really good points that folks who have to do the reporting are tasked with already so thank you very much miss hudson thank you i have to say my favorite line so far as i still have my fingers and my good looks that's my favorite line so far okay so a couple of things first on this on the upcoming city council meetings i've heard from several of you are real concerned about the crime in the city of lakewood and some of the statistics that are out there and what's real and what isn't real so instead of meeting individually with each one of you i think what we've done is we've scheduled a study session for october th and we will have the chief and some pd staff as well as our crime analysts there so that we can have that conversation publicly rather than having individual meetings and the public can also hear it's been requested we actually recently had a real productive meeting with councilor bida and i thought let's let's do this as a group i think it would be really helpful so that is being scheduled for october th i took the liberty of scheduling it as quickly as as could be done so that that information and accurate information will be out in the community again so that's october th we've also scheduled t gsa as well as cd phe and i have been working to that regard both david walker from cd phe as well as tim horne from gsa have agreed to come to a study session and really just have an open conversation with you about the condition of the federal center fifty nine acres on what is that th and sims i guess we can say and that way you can ask whatever questions that you hear from your constituents and what you're curious about and they can answer them and whatever other experts we need to bring to that conversation i'm happy to do that i did hear from tim horne also a man as of today i don't have this in writing so i hesitate a little but he said there's been a redirect on that actual board the board that was making the decision the federal board making a decision on that particular property and the november deadline is isn't  adequate anymore and whether they decide to work with this particular property or not is questionable right now so i have asked him horne to put that in to submit that information in writing to me and i'll forward that  as soon as i get that what we need is some clarification on what exactly this board is going to consider when it comes to the fifty nine acres so as soon as i get that i will forward that to you i know that's a that's still a little vague but that's the best i have  this at this time tomorrow is the two thousand and nineteen west metro veterans fair and i'll read this to you the two thousand and nineteen west metro veterans affairs the th veteran fair hosted serving veterans and veteran families are slated to be on hand as in years past the department of veteran affairs health services will be providing free flu shots for veterans additional additionally as it has become a tradition of the west metro veterans fair the liquid elks lodge will also be hosting a backyard cookout for all who planned to attend so again that's tomorrow at the elks lodge from to three zero and you may be curious about this belmar library which is a neighbor of ours is it's is going to be undergoing a remodel very soon in fact early october so they'll be closing for major renovations and so the city is working with them to allow space in our parking garage for a temporary library kiosk on the southwest wall near the plaza elevator so that's what that is and it'll be activated in the next week or so on it will provide pick up and drop off for library materials for the community there are parking spaces that have been repainted to allow for access to the kiosk the installation the kiosk will begin  m and the four hundred and fifty south allison entrance to the parking garage may be closed for a short period of time while it's being sitting in place but this is us just being a good partner to the library while they're closed down so that's what's happening in the garage and finally on a high note a counselor able brought something to my attention so i looked into it and now we know this is confirmed that we have a woman who's a young woman who is a cancer survivor and she just completed swimming across the english channel four times in a row and she trains almost every day at our own carmody pool which is pretty cool so she swam the english channel four times in a row and it's a record so imagine this fifty four hours of continuous swimming in wind waves cold right next up we have the consent agenda the the use of the consent agenda has been made to x play council action contains both resolutions and first reading ordinances resolutions are items of a routine nature members of the public will have an opportunity a moment to comment on any of the proposed resolutions first reading ordinances appear on the agenda only for the purpose of setting future public hearing dates and ordering the newspaper publication of the proposed ordinance no public comments will be heard this evening on first reading ordinances the public will have the opportunity to comment on the proposal ordinances during the scheduled public hearings on the date set tonight by city council any member may request an item on the consent agenda be removed for separate discussion and action so i'm gonna go ahead and ask the clerk to read the same please the consent agenda consists of items eight through ten inclusive item eight resolution two thousand and nineteen thirty nine supporting grant application to colorado parks and wildlife requesting funding to construct alternate parallel trail and make charle improvements to bear creek trail an authorizing director of community resources to execute grant agreement if approved item nine ordinance oh two thousand and nineteen thirty seven adjusting the compensation of the lakewood city council item ten accepting minutes of the boards and commissions liquid planning commission july seventeen two thousand and nineteen thank you now open the public hearing on resolution twenty ordinances introduced on first reading to be published into the denver post newspaper for public hearing set for dates included in the ordinances and to adopt resolutions all of which are included in the consent agenda items for the record and introduced by the city clerk second motion a second one clarification i said resolutions forty and forty one it's actually just resolution thirty nine okay  there's motion second any conversation passes nine eyes zero nays eleven item eleven resolution two thousand and nineteen forty approving the two thousand and twenty operating plan and proposed budget for the lakewood west colfax business improvement district  mister smith looks like you're ready to go come on down thank you very kindly robert smith economic development director for the city of lakeland one of the more exciting of meetings i think during the year is the one in which we get to talk a little bit about the business improvement districts we have fection utley refer to them as bids there are two bids in the city of lakewo one is along the colfax corridor and we get to hear from those fine folks first and then we've got a bid also ring along the alameda corridor well we'll hear from some of those folks that that run that just as a refresher for you folks and the folks at home bids are commercial properties which have voted to tax themselves and then they are represented by the folks that are in those commercial districts so commercial property owners bigley sees in the in the district or representatives of those commercial owners as well they also have to all be eighteen to serve on the board just so you know you can't be less than eighteen you've got to be more than eighteen know with that i'm gonna make sure i can run the system over here and i have an opportunity to introduce you to a couple of dynamic and diligent it works good evening thanks again for this time to visit with you mister mayor city council we're gonna tag team tonight in robert thanks for the introduction and always a tough act to follow this is our first time being in front of you so we're going to try to keep this short but every time we we speak anywhere including here we want to remind everybody that were three organizations all working toward one shared vision is re energizing west colfax and we're about a decade into that in in different different configurations but all have come together through the modest funding through the bed  arts district forty west arts and our community association wcc a can you go to fullscreen on that is that possible i'll keep going well please so we're gonna walk through bits and pieces of the plan that we sent you some weeks ago just briefly hit the highlights of reporting on some of the focus areas from last year talk about the focus areas moving forward in two thousand and twenty and then cover but budget items and then take any questions if you'd like all right thank you m happened since we started this process back under mayor steve burkholder and his blue ribbon committee that looked at west colfax and what what could we do to begin a revitalization process and one of those things was to get a business improvement district formed and it was in that very first west colfax action plan adopted by the city in two thousand and six that had the first reference to the possibility of an arts district along west colfax the rest of those dates are there they're also reflected in the appendix so i'll move on just a quick reminder um we haven't been doing this alone in fact we could never done it alone this has been a partnership from the very beginning and a partnership certainly strong and productive with economic development but every single department in the city has had their hands in helping to lift west colfax up certainly it took the community to come together first to decide to tax itself so that there was some predictability in what we could do with some funds but also to work together arm in arm and we're going to show you just a few pictures later today of what that looks like but the plans from two thousand and four and two thousand and five that west colfax action plan adopted in two thousand and six all the way to the plans that you see at the bottom there were adopted in two thousand and fifteen and with that i'm going to turn it over that i mentioned to you have volunteer boards and they put in hours of time and kevin is a model that we're looking for in people that have a commitment to transformation and his commitment on this plan and his commitment to the business improvement district and all three of the organizations along west coal fire is something that i'm very grateful for us so thank you mister yoshida please take over evening thank you very much thanks bill for that introduction our two thousand and forty plan is really our touchstone our keynote i was having a conversation with councilor johnson before session the night and we we're talking about how a community in conditions that are negative happened over time and without mal intent but sometimes they happen and it takes foresight and vision and community discussions and dialogue and galvis galvanizing that to maybe see a way forward and that's really what this is for us we spent a year working with business owners property owners residents about what they thought was west colfax could come back into and be contributing to their to their community and thanks to you all for passing that and helping us move that vision forward and thanks to city staff sharing resources so that we had a plan that we could actually hold up in front of everybody and say this is where we think we can go with with the community and a point of view in an action plan learn how to run my thing here when we were in front of you about a year ago we did a five year look back i thought it would be appropriate to just update those stats so you'll see that last column there on where we were unable to port  eighteen but now into nineteen how we're able to look back at our growth so that blue table there speaks to the district and the area are attracting visitors that orange graph in the middle's speaks to what they're coming for so we're very proud to be able to put free programming out into the community not only for lakewood residents for but for denver metro at large to come and see how cool the momentum is on west col and a little more under the hood stat there we look at our creative entrepreneurs and enterprises that are coming into the district and keep track of those and over that period we're still ticking up we've  five hundred percent since two thousand and thirteen on that metric there so we're very proud proud of the growth that's occurred with with your support our focus areas this is also a slide from last year that's been updated for where we are today so we're proud to report that we're on track with all the initiatives we identified last year and the one bar number six there showing progress is being made but much like you we all work with  limited funds and overwhelming needs so we always remind or remind ourselves that quarter maintenance improvements is a big hill we're making incremental progress but know that there's always something out there to be done and some things that maybe we haven't even seen yet that need to be tackled the next map is a new graphic for this year we thought it was important for us and also for you to just  geographic look at some of the areas where we've been providing programs and activities and if you kind of peek at the dots there be you know are the forty west art scores largely perceived as that area in east of wodsworth but through extend the map all the way down to the mills but if you any of you keep track of our newsletter we've formed a good partnership with there with them to activate art in their hallway four and a half i think they call it  the outline this is not a new map for you but always just a reminder of one of the cool new things that's happening in the district and with a public private partnership and with your help i know alexis moore keeps you updated on on the initiatives here but we're really proud of this four mile walking and biking art experience that links some city parks i know you you you all deal with the importance of those in the overall context we're trying to reinforce that with arts and culture and you'll continue to see good news coming out about new art and programming that happens along the  line couldn't help but just to throw some pretty pictures because we are in arts district we are a creative district so we along with colorado creative industries who certifies all the districts throughout the state really prioritizes a creative place making as a part of that so that's murals and art boxes where you might not expect it and in big public art like the roundabout there but it's also a wayfinding and just the presence of people and that the people here cares so things as small as branded benches matter in the context of creating a creative community and a cohesive business improvement district some examples are the programming that we put out into the community lots of energy hopefully been able to come by and visit and take part in one of these the dinosaur flash mob i think is now infamous and a couple of those names there were happy to be opening our arms to other parts of the city three of the the coffee shop there on the other side and some new things that you may not have seen but please drive colfax and try to spot them the green cactus there in the middle is a partnership with a local artist and a new project along col to create art on private property that contributes to the public realm so we're hoping to grow that program as well as we move move forward in future years our two thousand and twenty focus areas are not  dissimilar from our two thousand and nineteen areas there's still a lot of work to do so we're still focusing on the blocking and tackling and in basics and making sure that we're putting out a good magazine that can spread the word when when all of our ambassadors and you all  communicate that the great things that are happening the new one you'll see on there is number eight building acquisition and activation and i'll speak to that in a couple of slides here in the in in the next deck you've seen this slide virus hasn't changed much from a revenue standpoint and we our job is to do the best we can and put that back into the community as best as best possible you can see our expenditures line there and i'm gonna i'm a graphic person so  easier for me to digest in these pie charts you can see the mill levy component i talked about there the orange rent bucket there that is a revenue source but i'm going to switch to the expenses line item and  show you how the the rents are actually an expense as well so the business improvement district master leases facilities to help with them in the hands of creative business artists as artists benchmark theatres all those operate under a sublease format so the business country business improvement district can help stabilize those conversations and a lot of times give them the flexibility they need so sometimes we in our projections you'll see the difference  in that we from a budgeting standpoint try to make sure that we're not over committing we assume that we're only going to be ninety percent leased but so far it's been a good story and we've been able to fill every space is there definitely is overwhelming need from our creative community the rest of that program if you chart there if you aggregate it and think about it it's really much very much focused on what it takes to get all the programming all those fun slides i showed you back into the line we just had a great meeting with staff today on the west colfax pedestrian safety project they're leveraging some doctor cog funds and we're gonna just starting the process of how to make that impactful and meaningful to the community as well how to stabilize that and really bring it back into service for the community isn't a focus for arts so i'm gonna close out my comments and invite mister moreno up to add anything that i may have miss thanks kevin i remembered i used to have to do all that myself it's delight to have an architect and urban plant urban designer on the team just to wrap up this photo that you see in this  legacy trees art installation one of my favorites we still have so much work to do yes exactly and what we want to tell the world is west colfax is on the way back we we still need help we still have lots to do i hope as you continue your work as a council that's that you'll consider how you define bite and that you'll look for ways to have more revitalization i spoke to you the last time i was here more about that i'll come back again as you think about it but there's so much energy heading in the right direction and help us continue because at the end of the day all three organizations are working and pulling in the same direction and and we can't do it without you we're a community that has decided to link arms and work with our municipal partners we're so very grateful for all that you've done for our area let us keep our let us keep this momentum going thanks so much thank you open  and nineteen forty second motion and seconds are any questions i'll just leave you with a comment i appreciate the presentation but i really appreciate the energy and the dreaming that has gone on and i look forward to seeing what comes in these next couple of years because there's a lot still happening and i know that there's a lot of community support and engagement and the art line just continues to blossom and bring arts to an impacted community in some ways free arts to an impacted community and appreciate all the effort and the partnerships that we have so with that please cast your vote budget for the alameda corridor business improvement district i know it seems like i'm the emcee introducing these folks over here but really my role is to try to make sure the technology works and it goes to show you how desperate they've become when i'm their expert on technology so we'll get that set up and with that i will introduce you to the  executive director of the alameda corridor business improvement district mister tom quinn it is cybersecurity night little bit about the priorities for the alameda corridor a bid and give you a recap of what we've done over the past year talk about our our focus areas for two thousand and twenty now interesting we just actually had our kind of a long story short we reschedule it and due to conflicting schedules we we just had the retreat today so fresh from that discussion with the board about our our priorities for two thousand and twenty in the coming years so with that i'll go ahead and get started  forward oh there we go so i was like to start out with we are there two separate organizations here just coal fixes three we're only two so first we have alameda connects we did since the  presentation last year we rebranded so we were the alameda gateway community association now with you we are alameda connects so we shortened and simplified our name trying to be more descriptive of what it does but just to give you a short refresher course i'm actually an employee of telling me to connect and out of the bed so that's that's the model that we follow we have a voluntary acts as a volunteer board and we like to say we're focused primarily on connecting the community connecting nonprofits businesses and residents in the area the alameda corridor bid was created in two thousand and three votive all the business property owners on the corridor just like it's required for any business improvement district voted to tax themselves safety so there's a kind of broad categories and we design all of our programs around those priority areas gives us quite a bit of leeway in terms of looking at the types of programs that we can have so recap of two thousand eighteen and nineteen so what have we done since the last time we were here we've done a lot particularly in the corridor beautification area so we'll go over some of those projects art in the commons a great program we have in partnership with the city every year so we least six art pieces that go out on the plaza and you an opportunity to look at those hopefully they go from roughly made to meso one year at a time those pieces released we usually buy one of them arts along alameda metro housing solutions building we dedicated a new art piece there in october of last year gira souls or sunflowers really fantastic i hope you've driven by it at night to see the colors on it it's really great to look  at this is a strategic location we identified this because the project was being built there it was an opportunity to do something during the construction process for the metro west housing solutions project great partnership with them could you put the called american primitive at young and maritime and included some new landscaping with that as well it's fantastic vo i had an opportunity to see it that's a very strategic location right at the foot and cycling entrance to the belmar area from the east all star park eye on the ball hopefully vienna had an opportunity to go over and take a look at that we've been looking at that as a strategic location as part of an effort to  revitalize that intersection we have course the closed gas station and car wash across the street we did for a time have two businesses that were closed the check cashing place at harlan and alameda as well as the  truffle so some steps in the right direction with that intersection but this is our new art piece there hopefully you'll get a chance to go by and take a look at it it's very cool and just recently in the last couple of weeks ar more smaller pedestrian scale sculptures as part of our overall vision for an arts in nature trail for alameda so we want people to be able to walk bike skateboard you know however they want to get there we're trying to create into  overall xqo he civ experience on the corridor so this is one of our new pieces bomber plants or desert plants belmar crossing we did a lot of work on restoring our existing artworks because of damage from the weathering that project is nearly completed we installed state of the art solar lighting for those sculptures and make them more visible at night improve security and also solar lighting is just part of our overall picture for sustainability as well  branding has been a big part of what we've done since we were here last year we've completed our branding process for the business improvement district prior to that we did not have a brand so we created a new vision mission statement and those are all those are outlined in the operating plan created a new logo as you see here we now have two placards with our logo out on the corridor we're adding also placards to all of our artworks some people will be able to know that those w improvement district so a lot of work it's a brand rollout it's kind of a continuous process it goes on branding is something you do constantly as an organization one of our most recent projects you may have seen this these art we call it sidewalk art to make it simple we have nine of these installed currently there are four at wodsworth for it been a teller and one at benton so the vision behind this is not just to create pretty pictures on the sidewalk although they they do look good but it's to create an experience so what we'll be seeing in the next few weeks we're going to be placing it we're gonna have a new page added to our website that explains what all of these icons are for because each one of them has a history store behind it so we want people to be able to go out and walk do guided and unguided tours of the area and see these these historic images and learn more about the history of the area because there's a lot of history that's hidden  buildings that are no longer there long you know stories of people are unaware of like that west alameda was built by the works progress administration in the s that it was once a very agricultural area and the ultimate goal of the next two years be to create an app so that people can take a tour using a mobile phone app which of course is what everyone likes to do nowadays and maybe even turn it into a game so but so there is a larger vision behind that and we'll probably see more of these as traffic boxes with some lovely new artwork we work been working with local artists to get this down over the past six months and you're gonna start seeing those go up in the next three to four weeks at different locations our activities we one of the things we wanted to do is reach out more to the community particularly on the eastern end of the corridor and so one of our new programs is to do a movie in the park at all star park that they have a fantastic facility there that really is underutilized and so we made an arrangement with them to use the park for free so we showed a movie there in june it was rather cool nights our attendance wasn't quite as much as we wanted but still the people they were there had a lot of fun gateway as a program back in the early s so we wanted to bring them back out both to help celebrate the anniversary of dinosaur ridge and also promote the corps so we were at six different locations this year probably next year we're going to cut that down to two and maybe have a larger event at one of them celebrating the dinosaurs and you know the dinosaur ridge is the largest historic attraction in jefferson county attracts that two hundred and fifty zero visitors every year so of course we would like to work closely with them in promoting what they do and in promoting the corridor so you'll expect to see more about that this is a probably one of the things i'm proudest of and that's our zero waste effort at festival which was a well attended event geared towards business sustainability us we had a number of very good speakers there and i think the people who were there learned a great deal about new ideas and sustainability we plan to continue with the summit in the coming  start bike rides this is kind of one of the fun new things that we decided to do and the bike rides have been leaving from the farmers market we did two of them over the course of the summer and we visit different historic locations and just talk about things hidden history in lakewood we call them fun quirky weird because we try to include some fun stuff and you know we don't make anything off but we do have some fun with it so we're gonna continue that and actually this thursday we have a ride that's gonna be leaving from the old twenty one brew house we decided to try and earn even ride in september because the others were held early in the morning so event sponsorships we've continued party in the plaza we have a range minh twith the city where we sponsor some of their larger events like party on the plaza earth day insider days festival italiano of course the largest event held in a public event held in lakewood and we're continuing our partnerships with the boys and girls clubs and young maritime financial sponsorships for those great organizations and do fantastic things for the corridor i am for the city of lakewood quarter safety this is an area where we continue to work with the liquid police department one of the outcomes from our retreat today was the need to take a look at what is happening with with crime on the alameda corridor and security and see if there are additional actions that we can take as a business improvement district to work cooperatively with liquid police department i'll certainly be watching the study session on october th to hear some more information about that and talking about you know our priorities for the coming year the priority areas remain the same art's along alameda we're planning on placement of new pedestrian scale sculptures in the area  improving the signage for the downtown liquid area and wayfinding signage so you'll be seeing more about that we're actually working with a consultant we'll be working closely with the city to make sure that that is done appropriately and is you know we want to what we want to do is improve the user experience for the people who visit the area and for the businesses pocket parks we have a couple of locations where there's are going to be going in we're going to be installing sun shades that existing bench areas those are in final design at this point and we're hoping if the weather stays good we may be able to move forward with construction this year business grands for sign into facade improvements that's been moving kind of slowly we want to move that forward more quickly do more of those grants and we do have a couple of situations right now we've had applications so we're gonna see some funding one example being telluride truffle which isn't brand new business to lakewood that's interested in working with us on that and of course landscape maintenance we have the wonderful improvements thanks to the liquid reinvest authority the alameda streetscape project has really completely changed the appearance of the corridor my favorite part personally is the eastern end where it's a little wilder a little less manicured go down there sometime when the wind is blowing the grass the grass is tall now it really looks fantastic so continuing to work without following up on that major investment by the lra to make the area even better so we're working on our landscape agreement our maintenance agreement for that right now for the bid to take over some of that maintenance responsibilities in the coming year so we'll be getting that finalized soon so with that thank you very much and i'm happy to take any questions  when you take a quick break grab some water and i'll open public comment nobody signed up so seeing none i'll close public comment and ask for a motion corridor we we the residents appreciated and thanks again one of the contractors happen to hit a main water line and you guys came in and it was fixed within two three days got everything back to where it was and continuing on they're looking at putting some fiber optics along alameda from my understanding or is what are they running underneath the ground i have to say i'm unaware of what they're doing specifically with fiber optics i would have to find out from probably from public works okay redoing the sidewalks and elevating raising the elevation there are pierce right i believe that target date is december so would it be safe to say that the project will be complete sometime in  may with it with everything and may have next here yeah well the part i don't know about and robert may have an answer to this is there's some work that's also designated to go on on the north side so for example there is not currently a sidewalk in front of daddy danks and the plan is to put one in there it's just an asphalt lot i don't know if robert do you have any danks okay okay september so yeah it's it's ambitious but they've made tremendous progress on phase d which is that our air to the south between pearce and lamar so i mean it's impossible to say with of course weather delays and other issues but winter's coming in so we're projecting december but i'll just say may june thank you all o unbelievably much softer than it was before it looks great and i rarely have seen that kind of treatment do such a such a good job just with landscape so thank you well thank you and and that was a great cooperative effort lakewood public works and particularly ken nyhof he really rode herd over that project and it was it was something to watch him and of course robert as well with the i would just echo that you've done an incredible job both our bids are really i think doing what was intended and you're really focused on improving the areas that you operate and alameda looks amazing and even is a little bit controversial at the beginning but the sidewalk on teller and to see people and kid utilizing that's really fantastic so well done mister quinn and please thank your team and your board you're always there as well willing to help and and do things to to move lakewood forward so we do have a motion in a second any other questions seeing none please cast vehicles within city rights of way yeah i'll now open the public hearing and nobody's indicated a wish to speak come on dow removed and the appearance of our neighborhood was greatly improved since then i reported this type of vehicles as they appear i do give them one to two weeks to move before i submit report at present and according to the city council when the rv code was approved in two thousand and ten reporting as complaint driven meaning that citizens have to keep track of the vehicle and remember long enough to get home go online and submit the report which is why sometimes it takes two weeks and so my question is will the police agents code enforcement officers and community officers our service officers be able to site the vehicles when they see them without a citizen complaint this is what is indicated in this ordinance and i just would like to see that happen so i don't have to remember to go home and place the complaint thank you thank you anybody else all right seeing i'll close public comment and i would just build off of that it's actually one of the first ordinances i was able to work on when i was first coming onto council and what we saw was de facto rv storage in the city of lakewood because we did not regulate that so people would drive in and leave their rvs all over a lot of our multifamily so i think where we're at now was again well intentioned we probably have people taking advantage and it's the reason why we're here tonight i do also want to echo challenging parts tonight is for some people these are their homes where they're living currently and so that's always something that is important to try to balance but my hope is that there's other areas where folks who are utilizing our street parking to live in their motor home that there's they're areas that they can work this out so  we do have a couple folks here and i don't know if you want to address that question if you would like me to repeat it but i did not think it was just strictly report driven that it was also if you see it you are able to engage gail gail spencer community code enforcemen and it is complaint driven it's primarily reactive to the citizens that call in and that's based on effective and efficiency with the group so let me build on that just a little bit though if you are parking one you do your are required to have a permit so if you were to see that and there's not a permit then therefore they'd be in violation that you're saying because it's strictly complaint driven you're not looking for that that's correct and just to clarify when you said the permit that's only if you require a two week stay and then you have to be parked in front of the registered owner or whoever you're visiting you have to be parked in front of their house thank you councillor vincent i had one question and i what i get complaints about is somebody will be at one end of the block and park for two weeks and they go to the other end of the block and park for two weeks does this help with any of that  we already have provisions in the ordinance and so currently what we are recommending it will help a little bit but we currently already have something that says and let me read it hang on a second it says it shall not be a defense to this section that the recreational vehicle or travel trailer has been moved to a different location within the private public right away to be in compliance the recreational vehicle or travel trailer must be removed from the public right away so that there is no defense if they do move it down the block two blocks over five blocks over whatever that is it does have to be removed from the right away okay so it's just strictly the right away otherwise it's going to be complaint driven that this vehicle has been there for a while that's correct if i could clarify the forty eight hours that we talked about  and the extension or a permit for two weeks that only applies in a residential area so as the if we adopt these amendments or if you adopt the amendments it would not the forty hours would not apply in a commercial and we allow rv parking in our parks and things like that as long as it's within the hours that they're open correct ask for a motion please i moved for the adoption of ordinance zero two thousand and nineteen thirty six on second and final reading second motion a second any more discussion councillor johnson i'll thank you for bringing that that forward and making making that up making us aware next up we have a general business discussion and i did want to clarify there was a accusation made that somehow this was fast tracked or expedited but it went through the normal process that every councillor got request goes through and things we just kind of want to help guide the discussion a little bit we just kind of want to orient people to the ward and some of the you know as we see blight and in the community and in the neighborhood and really where the opportunit started the timer so this is strange i gotta say but there's a rare all right well i have a slide stuff or photos yellow area and the orange area those are all low density residential areas are fifty two r r that sort of thing that's not what we're talking about just to be a little bit more specific obviously these are not places that are developable developable these are not places that are blighted in fact our one hundred and twelve hey like my wife wants to move there at some point i don't think i can afford it but anyway this is the east side of two creeks the orange area are too these are also not areas that we're talking about it's not related to this resolution but i just want to kind of identify and kind of show you what the different zoning districts looks like and you can see two creeks is quite the patchwork it looks like some pants from the s so really the area we're talking about in this resolution are all the areas within that blue line that i also drew and that was a lot of fun doing so you can see the blue lines within the red line so that's the zone districts we took a look at within the opportunity zone and i'll show you w and these are you know we picked out we kind of picked out some random spots within these different zone districts but this is a example of the rmf you'll notice i went ahead and made it simple so i try to label them all here that's an example of just a regular neighborhood and they rmf in  this is an example of the rmu on the right and the mnt on the left this is near the light rail these are sort of old industrial type areas not super close but this is i you can see the building on the right that's an old industrial building the left is old metal that's also the lakewood brickyard east of that as well which is east is on your left this is looking south this is an example of the mrt this is cuts right through the neighborhood the light rail is just behind some of those bricks or whatever that pile of stuff is over there this is the mct as well this one's famous this is the mnt a lot of obviously a lot of old industrial space right there this is the mrt as well a little further down anyway so you can see some of the examples let me go back to the full map just so you can kind of reorient the these are all the areas we were talking about cuts right through this is the light rail right here so you can kind of see this makes sense why this would be an older industrial area this is right through the m that kind of brickyard area i was telling you was the reason we're talking about this is because obviously the ordinance the two hundred initiative it talked a lot about blight and they've got i believe it got a lot of our citizens on board with it because of the discussion about play people felt like these are areas that would be exempted and these were areas that people or development would still be able to to happen or occur i'm not trying to make this up this is on their website so this is it talking about how this is to encourage redevelopment of blighted and distressed area so when i read that that's my interpretation that this is the kind of blight areas we're talking about now i understand we're still trying to do i think we're still trying to define and understand this and refine this and that's really where this discussion is about this is this is not a for or against pro or con to me this is about let's get it right and i'm a policy person that's my background my backgrounds public administration public policy i've worked in government for the last fifteen years in some capacity and worked on different boards and things like that and so i'm just trying to refine  and and get it down to what it is supposed to do that's that's my ultimate goal and if we want to look at you know repealing i hate to use this as funny though because it's from the you know the feds if we want to repeal and replace some areas that's okay to i just think we need to get down to what this exemptions for and have a real discussion to refine it and and use it for what it was supposed to be use and i specifically i you know i think i might have been one of the first who talked to our staff about opportunity zones and the reason i did that was because i spent the last two years going to cml conferences  c conferences meetings with you know all sorts of different people at those things and i was excited about our area two creeks being in an opportunity zone because i thought this is the kind of thing that could really help incur investment in an area that hasn't had it and it just hasn't been going there for a lot of different reasons which we could all we could talk about it's not an easy subject  before the end of two thousand and nineteen to get the full benefit and that's really what we're talking about and that's the reason why i'm trying to just get some conversation going and get some discussion going about how we how we do something to make sure that we're taking advantage of the investments or they got potential opportunities that we could and this is the other reason i'm willing to refine this cuz this area right here that's currently in our blighted area this is part of where we've defined as blight and as a council as of now and i think i'm okay taking a look at doing that and really re orienting and refocusing on these areas i'm okay with that and i'm willing to have the conversation and so that's part of the reason i'm here too the other reason is because when my neighbors come up to me and they say hey jacob what are you gonna do about crime what are you gonna do about all these different issues that are happening in the community and these things are related this is sort of a chicken in the egg problem i'll just show you this is our crime map this is where the hotspots of crime are in lakewood and i'm really focusing on this area this is the opportunity zone notice there's quite a bit of a cluster right there so it's also what we're talking about this is an economic issue this is a housing issue here's our historic housing inventory  e the largest negative drop in housing anywhere in the entire city between two thousand and two thousand and fifteen is also an the opportunity zone so that's what we're talking about  any way i could keep going and i could talk about this issue forever but i just want to kind of or even give you a sense of what i'm trying to do i'm not this is not you know this is really about focusing on trying to just get investment in the right places and get stable protect stable communities and all that sort of thing in the right places so it's really just about trying to perfect the policy and my perspective so i'll just leave it at that for now but thanks this is gonna be short and sweet because i get a lot of pushback from the community they thought that in fact they questioned me and i got many calls that they didn't i didn't and i had to apologize to him i said i didn't think an opportunity zone in ward two would even be an issue that it wouldn't be passed but i have to step up and apologize for that so which i've been doing now for three weeks jacob and i take a little different stance on things he likes maps i like what i have to walk by every day and what my community has to walk by some of these did have people who were interested a couple of them had their contracts pulled and they're waiting to see what happens with the initiative this is one it's been broken into as you can see this fits the seven areas of seven at least seven of blight if it doesn't then they've changed the definition of blight this is another one that can be redeveloped it as close to the light rail there's this is seven areas of blight i wanted to take the corner shot so you could see it all this is believe it or not we got this area cleaned up a little bit it was a junkyard somebody is interested in that now what they want to do and i know they said affordable housing is excluded  but they want to do kind of where you have is a new thing it's where you have single rooms and then like a community kitchen and community area for those people can't afford an apartment et and this is just another example we we have big problems with this somebody wanted to develop it well it's broken into and people are living there and the police are called quite a bit so those are the only examples that i have and i'll be happy to answer any questions what i will say what i told jacob when he first started he said all the two creeks is blighted and i said over my dead body okay that won't happen it's got to be very limited and you know because we have the country club area in there and everything else so that's it and i only took three minutes well done oh kind of frame because there is a resolution in here but that that's not how we would go forward with adopting adopting a resolution at this point and so i think there's an opportunity for for more discussion if council does direct that to go go forward councillor libr yeah i just want to add to that this was introduced like the very end of august so it's taken three weeks to get here the reason there's a resolution attached i know it's awkward and doesn't look normal it's because i wrote it so that's and it's really not because i thought this was the exact policy it should be or any of that it's because i wanted a place to start because this is a hard conversation to have and i want to be very specific i know we had some comments about well you know the whole city voted on this you're right but i will represent the whole city i represented war two i looked for the areas i thought were most appropriate  don't want to presume to know what's going on in ward four and ward five ward one and all these different issues i focused on a narrow focus on war two areas that we both had some agreement that there were was a lot of blighted issues and i tr narrowly tailor it to those issues those specific places it's not perfect there's so i want to make that clear and i think there's definitely room to make adjustments the other thing i want to add is just that  well maybe i'll just stick with that for now that it's it's not perfect and i think there's a lot of room for improvement and places too to wit what but i thought this would be a good place to start some of the conversation because the last conversation we had was much broader it was you know it was so broad it was you know complex to really hone through it and i think this is the kind of thing that's gonna frankly merit a lot of time and energy because these are you know there's a lot of different places that could use some support and i think this might this as good as any other place to start so that's the way i looked at it  i agree with you those places need support they really do and you folks who have properties that might be a little more difficult to develop i'm concerned about that as well the problem is economic conditions are not part of life in this state they were until june th two thousand and four but legislation by  condition survey in fact it is often referred to as a condition survey slash blight study is that correct for urban renewal purposes that is part of the process there is no other definition in city of lakewood of light other than urban renewal and the only process laid out for white declaration is under the authority which is a different guys than we're setting in tonight that's correct that's the only process thank you place now there are other problems with the blab the survey i necessary that's going to take a while the prompt there are other concerns about light a blight decoration opens up the possibility of eminent domain when we read up the blight decoration on the western portion of colfax near quicksilver and o'toole's we ask the economic development director why we were we were updating that and she said so we can retain the power of eminent domain so any property that comes under blight can be taken by this body setting up here  i'm having a problem here because there was a executive session held i'm not sure what what i can say about the subject of that session except that i'm just handcuffed and i'll get out and say i'll go a little farther out on that limb this can be accomplished with an urban renewal proposal anything that is declared urban renewal has to meet the conditions of blight and if there's if that blight declaration comes to pass then there would be a vehicle by its very wording of redevelopment and widing so it's going to take a while to get this designated as blighted because we have to run a study the studies expensive the study would also be the kind of thing required if there were a proposal for renewal so why not just go that way there's the question  vincent i think i've been probably using the word blight incorrectly the the ordinance says blighted or distress and or distressed areas i would think that some of the area that we're talking about is more distressed and not blighted i mean i would hope that those pictures would show distressed so that i said blight and that was incorrect on my p cox just for clarification to our urban renewal areas do not encompass any residential right we did not blow any residential homes or areas i think it was all commercial and so this would be a potential shift and you may not have that and that's partly why i think it's good merit of a larger discussion it's alright if we don't know let's not answer may or may i may i please just just bring up a recommendation there's a couple of threshold questions that need to be answered before this conversation continues  typically when we have a request for counsel action the purpose of those is to a city council if you indeed want to have a conversation about the topic even though this was presented in a different form than we're used to  because it because it's on general business we would typically treat that as a request for council action so so you might want to look at the first threshold question and that is is this a topic that you indeed do want to discuss and is there consensus that this is a topic you want to to have a conversation around as a city council is if that's a yes then it's really our staffs responsibility or my responsibility to make sure we have the appropriate people at the at the table you'll notice we don't have our economic development director here he left because that hasn't been determined yet if this is indeed going to be a subject of conversation i don't remember exactly the date but we've we did have a pretty extensive session around amendment two hundred which is now which is now a part of our law and you made decisions and gave us directions so this is actually asking for a modification of those decisions that you made as  relates to blight so may i suggest that first we challenge that and see if this is indeed a subject that we want to have and then there are a lot of legitimate questions that we're hearing that with a little notice staff can be better prepared to answer especially about areas that are in the the existing urban renewal area having a couple of maps a pair may be really helpful when we're looking at what exactly is in that area residentialcommercial instead of us just just kind of winging it so my recommendation is you take a pulse of city council and see if if indeed this is a is a topic you want to continue and second we would bring it to a date and have that conversation with the appropriate the appropriate personnel yes thank you gonna answer the question with a yes so it would be a topic that we would want to explore as part of regular order have all the folks here to answer the questions and i'm thinking back to when robert smith gave us the we had a fairly lengthy discussion some time ago on the lra and he went through the process of how we determined the blighted areas this studies all of those things which i assume we can't necessarily circumvent any of those things regardless of what we want to have happen there is a regular order not only of this body to discuss it but also in how the city treats these areas as far as designating it blight i would certainly want to know what are some of the downsides of that what does it mean if you call what are you know aside from i think mayor pro tem abel mentioned condemnation is something you know and i need to know more about that and what are some other downsides of designating something blight because we've heard there is an appetite to do that in these areas but i want to know more about in the inca community input on that and all those things we normally do so i do want to have a study session on this topic very much and i've said as much to council with a beer and vincent so thank you well given that we've been told that this discussion has to have to occur and that the decisions that it encompasses have to be made before the end of two thousand and nineteen so that we can  any investors or so whatever can take advantage of whatever laws are available given that parameter my answer is no we don't have time to deal with this now i think sometime next year when we've already implemented this ordinance and we see some of the other issues that that we may have to deal with we're not even supposed to be tinkering with this ordinance for six months under our under our charter until until six months after it's been implemented for six months and we haven't even done that yet and here we are already trying to define this and define that and we've done this more than once we dealt with this issue two or three weeks ago so my answer is no i don't want to deal with it now i think at some point down the road it is appropriate and i want to say to my co counselor so i understand where you're coming from and i totally support what you're trying to do here you're you know you've got a difficult situation over there and you need all the support that you can get from council in a and i'm b i'm behind you i want you to know that i just don't think this is the way to do it i don't think this is the time and i will also tell you one other thing i want to make this clear for to be told that we have got to do this now we've got to hang these  designations on these properties and these property owners right now or in the next few weeks without you know adequate public input and if we don't do it you know certain individuals certain investors are going to take their money elsewhere i can tell you and i must tell you that is totally has no persuasive value for me at all zero and that's as diplomatic as i can say it enough said thank you all so frank lebaron and i'm sorry vincent certainly appreciate you bringing those pick i mean i think it is helpful for the community to see the the level of distress in some of those areas i think that is important as i reminded folks when i first got on council in two thousand and sixteen i knew that we were gonna have conflicts like this there was areas that desperately needed that development i'm just hoping that someone can speak to me about the time sensitivity since these things this will take a long time i think that we also have to look at holistically i think that zooming into a specific ward i think we need an education process we need to understand the process how the state looks at that how the city does how council would look at how the lra would fit in what that means as far as eminent domain risk i think there's a whole educational component and i'm not really comfortable zooming in to specific areas i think that we need to look at distress and blight in a more holistic way and then come up with an action plan because the lra would need to be modified we need to get the new the new board members on because if we're making any if we're gonna make any actions we'd have to do that so i was hoping maybe someone could walk us through the process and the time sensitivity since we have a lot of things going on we're trying to get the housing commission up and going with a lot of activities and we've got other things so i guess i would appreciate knowing where should this be positioned to where it gets the right amount of attention and education but yet respects those other things when it looks like the amount of time it would take would not achieve the goal of what we've heard so i appreciate that i think that's part of the the dilemma right with with where we're at tonight and to  gonna want to talk more about this then then we've set a time where we can have all of that right because there's a lot of different information as to time sensitivities or the different rules and things like that so i think it would probably go back to that without having clear answers tonight we just have to see if council wants to go that direction you i appreciate everyone's comments and i agree with a lot of what's been said i think certainly the process issue is certainly an issue i mean we there needs to be a good city process the reality is for this type of thing there isn't really a city process it doesn't really exist so first of all i want to acknowledge our city manager and her comments are well taken that we should just decide if we want to move forward with exploring issue i certainly do i'm on board with that i also understand everybody's concern about process and education and all that sort of stuff you know i've spent a lot of time talking with a lot of different people about this but there are obviously questions that you know i have as well as far as the process and urban renewal i personally see these as separate issues i mean the urban renewal is a state guided thing for a very specific purpose for you know tax increment financing and for eminent domain authority and you know all this other stuff this is not you know having staff or whoever identify what blight looks like in our community as it relates to building permits is a separate thing at least that's the way the law and my view is written obviously i think you know it sounds like we need to have some more education from our city attorney and in others weigh in on that issue but that's what i took from the last study session we had on this where our city attorney did at least in my view set the tone that you can sort of have two different understandings of what we do with blight and correct me if i'm wrong obviously  but so that's how i took this ordinance because you know over this resolution i took this as an idea that you know this is a very specific issue in this community and this new law that is the law gives us the authority to determine new parcels of blight and it says it in the law it says the council land to be blighted or blight i could reference the actual ordinance if we need it that we can determine blighted areas it doesn't say her renewal so my sense is if we don't have a good process for understanding what really is blight then we could create that whether it's we hire a consulting group or staff or however we want to do that and i'm certainly willing to us dive in and figure out what that process looks like and you know what what should be required what boxes do we need to check before blighting it i just want to start the conversation so that's where i'm at i want to start it because it's pressing in our community not saying we need to rush to a judgement but we know things here take a long time so you got to start somewhere and i don't know where this conversation will go maybe it's a committee maybe it's a maybe it's consultants maybe you know i don't know i've seen a hundred different ways we've done things so i just know it's got to start somewhere i took my first crack at it i drove around the neighborhood i had a map i had a renewal map and i had a zoning map and i went around and drove and looked at you know stuff and took some google map street view things and that that's where we're at but our city managers points well taken i think we should determine if this is something we want to take up i certainly do i think it's pressing and immediate as far as the investor thing goes i'm just i just want to the reason i bring that up it's just because i want people to know there's real consequences here because we've seen people walk away from i've seen a ton of people and they they might not talk to all of you but they are talking to people in this ward because they're in this ward and they're concerned that they're not gonna be able to move things forward and for a lot of people it is an issue it's a housing issue like i've said it's a crime issue the last two major developments that happened in two creeks of both of them were abandoned houses i've said that a lot the other affordable housing off of th street and harlan i think it's harlan might be one over  but that's affordable housing development that was done that was an abandoned apartment that was boarded up crying issues i remember the neighbor when i was running i knocked on his door and i said hey i'm running and here's what i want to do and he said well if you can get rid of that without just painting the walls i'm putting up boarded boarded windows then i'll support you and i said well i'll do my best and here i am so i appreciate everybody taking the time to really think about this and and consider and i know this is a sticky issue and i i don't want to bring it up i mean i don't want to this is a tough conversation half and we've been here for quite a while already i've been out of my comfort zone for a little bit now i've been had people make comments about me and my character  and all i want to do is make sure my community is in a good position and i'm making the best choices i can to try to put it in whatever to move it forward and i'm willing to take all of your comments and concerns and really address them whether it's cutting his own thing out or you know the reason i went with opportunity that's the last comment i'll make and i'll spare you all but the reason i did opportunity zones and the reason i did zoning areas  simplify it really i think it would be hard pressed for me to drive around and do parcel to parcel and that sort of thing i could have done that i was trying to make it as easy as possible you know i try to show you the on the map that this is an area that cuts through in an old industrial area and all that sort of stuff so i just tried to simplify it and originally i knew staff had the opportunity zone in there i don't know if they had it before i mentioned it to them or not but i asked him hey you should take a look at this because the federal law says distressed areas and that's how the opportunity zone started and there's a lot of things that really imply that there there must be blight and in this particular area so  you taking a look at and i hope we can move something forward because i think the people in this neighborhood and i think the community deserves and i think it's going to solve a lot of other problems i think we're gonna see and we're already see i mean since i've lived in this community we got sidewalks down tomorrow we got the light rail opened we have new businesses over at lamar station plaza they redid the parking lot millions of dollars in investment the brewery the coffee shops you know starbucks that was built on wodsworth intent there's been a lot of investment and i think most people would agree it's been good for the community and seeing those abandoned buildings no longer there has been a good  thing and i'm you know if this is pegged also on well what about affordable housing and what about this what about that i'm happy to take those things up those are also issues that we've been working on for a long time councillor gut whines not here but we introduced about hey let's bring affordable housing talk about it in the development committee too so that needs to be part of the conversation as well of the big picture but i was concerned about what some of the impacts of this stuff now meant and so i wanted to get the ball rolling on this thank you i appreciate the passion of the two councillors for award for looking out for your area i there it's very clear that you are thinking very highly of the impact of this but i would like to bring us back to the initiative that was passed in july the growth initiative  it was passed with the intent it would not be changed for six months that seems very clear to me and what we are trying to do is to change an ordinance prior to six months the intent of the voters was that it would at least have that amount of time in order to be put in place i cannot support this i'd look forward to the conversation in february period liberty i appreciate that councillor johnson and i'll just respond real quickly by saying the ordinance has blight in it if we were changing the ordinance in my perspective we'd be saying you know let's get rid of the blight elements in the law we'd be saying let's get rid of that there's a blight exemption in the  law as it's written and it also says in the law of the council can designate blighted areas so if we were we didn't like that we don't want the council to designate blighted areas in my perspective then we'd have to change the ordinance which we can't do for six months and say we don't want to exempt blighted areas so i see this as a separate thing the separate thing is the law says we can designate blighted areas so now let's utilize that new authority and designate blighted areas that's the way i see it thank you so so i think the the question remains is this something council wants to to move forward with to it not just a further conversation which would look like a study session and  and again that's not changing anything or removing anything that's just furthering this conversation having more people at the table and getting questions and things answered so i'm going to look for any sort of consensus on i mean the question that is repeatedly asked is when would this happen so i think everybody on this council said yes we want to discuss this we've heard just a moment ago that councillor johnson was looking forward to discussing it in february mister betta i think also said probably in january or later sometime around then so the question i think everyone wants to do the study session the question is when would we do the study session seems to be the question of the night so i would need clarity i think the consensus should be based on that so based on that i have an idea i'll throw out a date which is soon which would be october st and then you decide yes or no and if it's a no that means after february or whatever it's six months i believe that's an option if you want a date and then you can yes or no that but my question is so october st there's nothing beyond october st i know there's only one meeting in november and then there's the december meetings that's right there is not another study session date until the newly elected council members take their oath and that's and get sworn in and that's november th and that's frankly that's due to cancel meetings because of the election and holiday yep councillor skilling so i mean that's the other elephant in the room right is that you're gonna have a new council that's gonna we want them to participate in this study session so that they're informed to make decisions that are going to be very important ones and we don't want to say to those new folks hey you should watch the tape from october st to get a better understanding of the thing you're about to vote on so i mean i think we should also consider that as far as the timing and whether or not october st is enough time to even have a study session on something like this but that's part of this conversation  go ahead can we just look at something in january or february and throw that date out instead of going to the october and voting that down and then january february so the new council though want to make the decision on whether they want to study it i i appreciate that it's hard when i mean government doesn't shut down because of elections we hear this every two years right council should or should and so i think this body needs to make a decision based on that there's other issues coming forward that i don't think this council probably in my opinion would want to weigh in on before new council seated either but we're the body right now and so we need to make that decision and october st was presented and there's nothing until december so if council if there's consensus to go forward with that that's i think what's before us and then it would just move into probably a conversation with the next body rather than scheduling it is that does that make sense to council so essentially the st was thrown out we don't have anything beyond i would rather turn the discussion to a an urban renewal discussion which won't take any longer and if successful will certainly exempt the area we're talking about from the initiative yes if it's if it's declared blighted the only way in lakewood we can declare anything blighted is to have a condition survey first and that is simply a qualification test and if we're going that far the only the only mechanism to declare blight in the city i think mister cox agreed with me was that through urban renewal process as brights a definite word when you put it into legislation it is a defined word not only in the stand title thirty one article twenty five part one of the colorado revised statutes but in lakewood city  ordinance yeah and if i'm mistaken please show me where in the ordinance we can do it separately from la well let me just let me just talk about the process that got us here and and got this discussion back on the on the table when the ordinance was passed by the voters staff had gone through it word for word word by word and identified some things that were ambiguous or unanswered or are undefined presented to council a memo i think with seventeen questions seventeen areas that we looked at and said these need to be addressed here's staff's recommendation on some of these what do you think and council made decisions or recommendations or direction on what to do with with all of those items one of those items i think the one we came back to at the end of the discussion was the blight question because as was recognized earlier tonight the ordinance refers to the ability to exempt blight blighted properties distress is the word the other word used but blighted properties are recognized as an option and the ability of council is to designate property as blighted is reference in the ordinance so what staff came back with is you can identify how you want to define blight and one of the ways is through the urban renewal a process which in state law as well and what i recall from that discussion was that when all the options are out there and there was reference to the opportunity zones and enterprise zones and other places that could have been part of the blight definition what council said was we want to stick with the urban renewal process now are we limited to that in in interpreting this ordinance it's it's hard to say because it does give you the ability to  say something is blighted and it does not say as defined in or as used in urban renewal processes so you probably could create a process by which blight is designated for purposes of this ordinance separate and apart from urban renewal whether you could do that without amending the ordinance is another question to say that blighted means x for purposes of this ordinance is one thing and that may be amplifying or answering a question that's not addressed in the language of the ordinance like we did with the other sixteen topics but to say this is what blight is going to mean and this is the new process we're creating to define to designated properties but it maybe  as involved as the urban renewal process that it might be harder to create a process and adopt it without actually changing that the contents of the ordinance having said that we are now three months away from the six month period so at some point in the not too distant future with not that many meetings between now and then there's going to be an opportunity for these things to be addressed not as rules and regulations for implementing the ordinance but as potential amendments to the ordinance and that'll be carried out under the auspices of the new council such as is in when january february rolls around and we're at that six month point so it's a little bit of a moot point to say we can't amend the ordinance because very soon we'll be able to and and when we do arguably you won't be bound by the urban renewal process you'll be able to say this is how blights gonna be defined for this purpose only but that's that's down the road i appreciate that explanation and again i want to echo nobody up theirs trying to change the ordinance right trying to  to find find different ways of the interpretation i think in and so you gave us a nice explanation but i certainly don't think my colleagues were more to have any intent of trying to circumvent however trying to work within the framework is what the goal was councillor franks thanks mayor paul i just wanted to kind of say that i don't really at this point see the reason to expedite the study session to october twenty one i think what it does is it gives the impression to the community what right wrong or indifferent that there is the change i think that because there's been so much time focused on it i think we have a perception issue i think we all want to be educated on what's possible i think we all want to be educated on that but i also think that there's a whole perception of moving too too quickly and trying to slide something into the slot i just think that because we do have that period i think if we were to try to tee something up in either december or january perfectly well timed will then be starting to talk about the allocation and the buckets and we're going to start to get in kind of what does that process feel like and it feels like we're already trying to sort of move something when we don't even really have a good construct of how this whole thing is gonna op you know how are those allocations gonna be curved at how are we going to make those decisions so i see it as a data point as well and maybe if we can wrap it into how are we going to get educated on how we're going to kind of work through administrative lea that process at the same time as maybe getting some of these overarching constructs you know we all know our city there's areas that need need the work and and certainly we want to do the work it just seems like we're we're trying for a timing that isn't really conducive to achieving the goal effectively so i would certainly be interested in doing something in december seems like that would be realistic even november late it depends on how quickly the new council is seated or the whoever the leben are so i was gonna ask the city manager are there some additional dates that we could look at that would look reasonable for getting us teed up so we know how to proceed in two thousand and twenty so the new council take office on the last meeting of november so that is november t we do have meetings in december we have the second is a study session we can have this conversation on the second but think about that that's that's the first meeting for some folks that's their very first meeting  and that'll be a study session that's a heavy lift for the first meeting but we can do it we have a regular meeting on december th we have another study session on december th and already we have something programmed it's the water water in lakewood that was a part of your goals and the only meeting that's cancelled in december is on the rd due to the the holiday on the th and then we're pretty open at the beginning in two thousand and twenty one two thousand and twenty whoops two thousand and twenty i skipped a year yeah yeah so i would i would say the early december one's probably not feasible in that first meeting is usually more ceremonial so that will be that would be probably the new body's first true meeting so i guess my recommendation would be to go further if that's if that's the way council wants to proceed council johnson you i just have a question when the petition was first signed was the definition of blight through opportunity zones at that time was it even out did opportunity zones become a legitimate definition for blight my recollection is that as part of staff's process of identifying things that needed to be defined or clarified without changing the text of the ordinance it was there were some proposals to include areas beyond the urban renewal area one of those was opportunity zones one of those was enterprise zones suggested that you could define blight by use of only one or more any combination of those terms but not that you were bound to or that the ordinance referenced that but just that there's these areas in the city that could be considered in that discussion it was not part of the ordinance itself when it was adopted and so you're asking when i think you're asking when opportunity zones  actually created that's a question that i i don't have an answer to as it's relative to the actual petition the signatures on the petition and we all know that that the the signing of those petitions goes back at least eighteen months if not twenty four months so we would have to align look at when the petition was starting to be circulated and then compare that with when the opportunity zones were actually introduced and and that would answer your question and and we don't have the right folks to be able to answer that very pro time well the opportunity zones report of the tax relief and jobs act of two thousand and seventeen they were passed in july of that year i believe two thousand and seventeen actually in that act the words blight and blighted do not appear and the act that created the job tax there are some later publications and promotional material are not promotional but informational material from the government that do say this could be used  but it doesn't tie the definition of light to economic opportunities or leave they use distressed counselor libr i was just gonna make that point but the next point i was gonna make is i'm happy to just move on so if we want to figure out next steps if we don't want to do it let's not do it if we want to do it let's do it i say let's do it but obviously it's a body decision so i say let's move on we need to come to a decision quell s mira i was just going to say i would caution us about making any major decisions during the holiday season i think that's a bad time to be and i would consider this if we're gonna make a decision a major decision now  study session that's different but as far as actually making final decisions during the holiday season when our public is you know busy with other you know holiday matters i think you know i think it's probably not a good idea so there is consensus yeah tim's looking again yes i need more definitive i guess for staff i have one i have to i have three i have four have five i had six  study session in december we're waiting one two three four five yeah so we are yeah yes well i'm again i mean it's a study session it's it's not a resolution moving forward it's a study session that will allow this conversation and a lot of the other things that we heard tonight in questions that were asked as well as an opportunity for the community part of part of the discussion so in december all right mayor pro tem do you have a report do last tuesday i spent constitution day with the students at mclean community high school we discussed the us constitution how it coming up jump down on it so but he said in the future he not run for councilman yeah it was they had great questions as a lively conversation and an enjoyable morning very we are with the rocket program at bear creek but i would encourage all of you to go and watch them and watch the students they make their own rockets i don't know if anybody brought that out  there is nobody else around in that area so although the park is being used more and more it's in an area where actually there isn't anybody else the rockets go almost straight up they come down and the kids retrieve them it's really quite a thing and i think we need to do what we can to have honest discussion and some public policy on this thank you sabina just real quick we are having award two meeting on the ninth and they'll be paul rice from planning there so that should be interesting and the other thing was is is i want to point out we've already gotten some questions but there are people under stress in our neighborhood and they're now going to be digging up lamar again between th and th this is nothing to do with the construction it has to do with the  sewer pipe and i want to really make that point because people are concerned so i'll be trying to work with folks about rerouting the traffic because we have issues with cement trucks etc so i just w thank you so i have two quick things one is just to signal out that probably need to do a council request item for this but as you know we've been dealing with kind of a patchwork solution to homelessness and so we've been utilizing church facilities which cause conflict with the fire marshal fire marshal has been working diligently with churches and all the folks throughout the community as to a fix they've given somewhat of a reprieve till april two thousand and twenty however there is a workaround that would need to be adopted through the cities that would change the code just a little bit for  sheltering type emergency type sheltering situations the county is looking at adopting it right now and then of course other communities i met with the fire marshal today and the folks who run the severe weather shelter and they do have some code language that i want to sit down with our city manager and talk about before i submit that but i want to throw that out that that's probably something that council will need to take a look at and again if we move forward with that the fire marshal would come in and have that conversation with us as well so i'll keep you up to date on that and then on monday the th will be dino's day in the city of lakewood as we say goodbye to a longtime friend so if you have the chance to get there this week their last day is monday and we have a proclamation for them i think the governor has prepared a proclamation as well celebrating dino's and all that they have done and so we'll