conversations in the world and that being a richie havens the immortalize think it might be fair to say folk singer an artist and richie welcome very much conversation is good to see again after these years you know we were going to be playing this is what is the second third of may ninth two thousand and four we're going to be talking about all sorts of things this program but like i told you we started we got a whole hour so ritchie maybe you could be the people that are viewing it so what you're going to see a couple songs every thank you for bringing the guitar along and all that sort of thing but i want to maybe you c feel it is going to go that way do i do being out on the road as much as i am yeah i definitely get to to be with the changes that have happened right i can tell you that as far had it so he comes running over to my house one day with the sunday newspaper would a big article about the beatniks in manhattan i finally found out what you were what is he did you know the interesting thing is at that particular time i had only been to manhattan explain to my friends my parents my grandparents might my parents worked in that my grandmother never went to man that never in her life she used to go downtown brooklyn macy's was down there t  and little did we know we were part of that so yeah you know new york city included brooklyn on the new but that was the psyche i mean really was it had everything the united in brooklyn didn't have to go any way to get it father was an artist of sorts he was an ear piano player he could hear somebody they could hear to give and play it yeah that's a great yeah and i inherited you have that the sense of hearing is like well i had a sixth grade teacher who used to get me in trouble all the time because she would play a chord on the piano and she'd say can anyone sing the notes and no one could do it but me i could actually sing the notes back to the whole chord well i'm playing it again and it is a good many absolutely i really believe well because most of my friends did there were three generations in most of the houses i used to hang out and that was part of what i now call the beginning of america because i realized probably around thirteen  gone so so i think my generation was lucky to have figured that out at the age we did because we grew up expecting the america to become yeah you know  a business so quite clear now to a lot of people i think possibly know it no it isn't because you know what what what what is more interesting is is suburbia and the middle class that was the first oh yeah this country right because this country is about to really have its its one upmanship in terms of really being able to show the picture that we were told in school we could become you see that emerging now from the time we're talking to do creates more good you think so yeah ok that's a great thing that's a great metaphor as a great trend line had we created some more so tell us about you got over in demand you picked up and you were so you found out you were beaten well i did good i had a sense of it forced to go on on basically people being a little bit happier because they could afford to go to suburbia and have a better place for their children to grow up that was the basis of the adam materialistic level the other material the trends are up aren't they to make this world like some sort of a paradise for every only get away that we haven't had coming out is true is a slow hard grind that james joyce had daedalus a history the nightmare from which i'm attempting to awaken which is a line that things interesting such as bothering yeah such as barn raising you know they used to have it already in the middle of town to raise the bar on that bird down joe's barn burned down let's go i have a party so they don't have a body and two that's why they don't call you know because what we really don't realize is how innocent we really were in those days and we really don't we're realizing that more and more i think that the awakening is is awakening from on that premise a part of the appearance of the possibility to do things better it's almost like you know we're gestating and we're coming into a new kind of some big awakening like you say is a good term yes but it's picking of we can back to the thing you picked  cannot do it i've tried father i did that too yeah not to take parallels and drop and drop things and the only thing about me is i was not inventive as a as an artist i could copy things when i awakening expression mind expansion room you know  to at least could talk about are your journey yeah and it's also informed by the scientific do all kind of science what age every day you could've lived in the six six century it took two hundred years to invent and nail now there's an ant revolution coming from every field every up the paper and there's another sterling revolution you know there's all this and it comes at the scientific develop of the tiriel develop in the material world with it forming it all and there was some beginning to where you could try and get a hold of a systems understanding of the whole process what's it all about alfie and that what i would run other words and progress yeah at the same time you know it's it's getting to to have a better sense of yourself through and there's a lot we can talk about you know as a singer songwriter and they didn't see stevie wonder sixty one it's are alex to how it started was again i was talking about people sharing with me what they had and i get to share that with others what it was was there were always guys in the coffee houses that were singing writing and singing their own songs when i first went down it was actually one nine hundred fifty eight and the fifty eight about the poetry thing ride and the beat me thing well within the year i was drawing what teen years old so nineteen years doing doing it did you yeah it with friends you know and then basically we actually won the apollo twice in a row gradually won the third one you would get a little record got all that you know  tear down the wall and you tell by the title they were a rock and tear down the walls to be a man was it was a song about about being all now they're gone all of the good things that are going to potentiality is being offset by the fact that we're developing the technological capability to be more and more destructive yet so they go along and one big extensional thing is from now it's is it seems to be that we've reached a point where if the weapons that are now existed not just intellectual projections but exist and we have the capacity to abridge blitter a for the first time in two hundred thousand years of human evolution the whole s can no you know that when we get together and work together we actually produce something we can get a barn out yes right all right we know this and more of us know it and of course when you're a kid you go why didn't they think of that yeah i thought of it why don't they you know song that included every character we were watching on television all the characters in washington and all the characters in city all the characters on the street that had something to offer or something to take away he could put it all in one song yeah and that debt was the power he had the power to describe a party yeah where everybody who's in the game was there yeah right and that's not that's something yeah you get a lot of pattern recognition possible in a lot of different exactly and so i i picked up on his songs because again he was part of my awakening yeah he was the oh yes poetically and music one of those there was something else as bobby dylan said blowing in the wind it was a change coming and it was being felt it was a that that moment sixty eight sixty nine seventy was there was something really happening going on that the artistic companies wanted bubble gum yeah and that's what they were going to make sure was yeah yeah so here we are we've got these songs that are pretty heavy they're not even getting on the radio right you know i mean so the point is that the many kids that pass through there yeah just because in woodstock that woodstock festival i still say was an opinion and there was something going i was going out in america it was all over the world yes and it would be good for us to try and get an understanding of what it was it was going on because that's about the same time that our ex tell us that's when we reach the point we're going to in the second world war right right we he had the ability at that point to destroy the whole species that's right weapons of mass that's right and informers also picking up on the fact we're trends ending scarcity perhaps in terms of our ability that was a major break point i would only always as yet rule and the thing about it was i when i flew over all of those people in this bubble helicopter yeah which was a farmer's helicopter down the road really not anybody good day i know i was there was also they so they found this brought out half the amount of people who was eligible to vote and he won in that it yeah that's right so they had to split that after him to win yeah you know and now the fifty percent sitting outside those are the people people and what did you say i said you know something the whole world is looking at us and that the whole world watching have a whole world is watching and what we do this is how we're going to show them that we know who they say it really signals something pretty brand new terms of this evolutionary pattern to go back so well major break point i think the brand newness of it will be for us mostly in this country because all of the rest of the world has  witnessed working together oh you think that oh yes i mean in the pad diaries i mean in the countries where we have to remember we come from tribal background and then that tribal background is what community means that you see community is it's like i sort of redesign community went in one of my children's organizations that i sort of worked with and helped to co found and how it turned out was perceptions and the music of richie havens will let you know how you can get in touch you got to whether you got a good one pretty hot dot com which even sat com is pretty easy is a heck of a website and the work he's doing is phenomenal i only can wish you the best and thank you very much for coming it's so good  you and everything like that and your pleasure has perception to invite soon become back in tomorrow and that's it for now richie thanks thanks thanks a lot for not only coming into the program but for a long creative life that only seems to me to get more power here in access you know i like this access television community because it's a different kind of thing and they're getting more and more facilities and things like that where they can put this getting more and more to where people who have a good narrative or something can get some communication you know not sniping just the corporate structure and it's necessary you know it's in interesting that we've actually gotten that far because there's a lot that wouldn't like it to be as far as we are you