from los angeles california we bring you that which is that which is presented by john rogers the founder and spiritual director of am as a the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to the awakening of the spiritual heart within each of us this seminars entitled being the truth of you right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement if i got to sell you nothing but what i like you to buy your own experience of yourself where ever you are and see if that's where you want to live or see if that's where you want to live fromm far from if you do you will never hear me run your past on you if you want to go back and study of the past to reinforce how well you've grown to be sure that you have time to tied a rope on to the present so that when you get lost too far you can turn and pull it and will bring you back to now great great beauty  found in historical reading and it is absolutely beautiful to read some of the poetry some of the great writings you can be so inspired but if you put down the book in the inspiration stays there you wasted time and i mean this in a critical manner but if you put that book down and what you read walks away with you you're going to be vibrant and vital to everyone you meet  neat thing no matter what you pick up if you in your heart decide it has value those who say it doesn't have value they have a right to that opinion and you have a right to get up and walk into your value and keep going there are some barriers to stop us not not from soul transcend because the soul transcendence doesn't depend upon a religious philosophy if it were depended upon a religious philosophy all the religions of be doing it obviously consciously transcending that direction it's not being done that way it's being done individually and what looks like happenstance happenstance because i don't know why it happened just did you don't know the marvelous preparation you've been doing even in despair even in hearty sorrow to bring you to the path we've got to jump off into this thing that we call god and any religion put your form of that and is just fine with me i have no argument with vocabulary terms i have no arguments with the realities that exist and if we're talking about something else why should i argue with that is not what we're doing now in this room we have people that come from listen this is strange atheism when you have that first and lightning experience you go you have to say i don't know about this atheism so then they go to agnostic my site and may be may be and they continue on that until such time and this is strange god extends an experience to you how do we get god to extend an experience to you if i want god to extend an experience to me part of i got to do that to are there some requirements maybe you're having experiences right now maybe what you know that it can only be experienced according to the level of our openness to receive that if we surrender and listen i'm not using a word i'm talking about the process if we just surrender up into spirit god let's call it cosmic consciousness of that works for you don't bicker words here start the energy of transcendence here and keep carrying it with you and with you and listen it is a very strange thing it will take you to places that you'll say this is on the path to god i can't believe god would do that to me god did it to you all right by letting you do it to yourself it's very very difficult to say yes i am now a year goes i got this letter from somebody this is i don't believe you're the mystical traveler and i wrote back i'm not i gave the keys over a few years ago were you banned and the oh they were trying to be nasty about it then they wrote back well who's got it i went back why do you want to know you don't believe in that you don't care about it was why you so curious about you want to go disprove it on somebody else while later i got another letter how come i don't see them when we see you tomorrow back you don't want to see me look at them in there and this goes on but i don't really want to look at you i would rather look at them how come i keep looking at you see well you might want to want to look at me and i'll go away and not want to look at the other and then you get it because you're wired backwards what don't want you get and they will back thank you that's an excellent idea and so they decided to want me so they could so they could get john to see what it looked like in the spirit world and i got one back this is you know seems really hopeless i seem to get john and then you're there what is this is a real back well you know i'm michel you you're my mission whatever the heck that means and i said i do my job and i'm doing it if you don't like it why don't you just quit because i'm not going to and i robbed baghdad back this really nasty letter who are you to don't create separation by looking at physical bodies as being there look at them as being here look on them as good being manifestations of truth god and spirit all carrying the same essence of yours then you can love them all well just one more kick or move through all the experiences that come to you while i read that i have to read it i need something to keep me going at times when you get up in the spirit world and this last piece awareness training when we call the seven shocker went over to egypt and we came back and people said no i've been wondering what's really been going on and i think i know what it is nice of what is this that we're transmitting a whole lot of negativity in those areas and trying to bring peace and happiness i said you got in the united states and people are saying what is this war that's going on so well to put it in real fundamental christian terms it's the christ against the devil that's one way another way of looking at it it's a negative matrix over that particular area that is forcing these people into their particular action scientifically ballista politically people want to more land  and they want to bill and politically it's the first time that we know of in the history of this world that the world has united together in our former called enemies yield evil empire people are now called you know the quarterback of the second team or a to come in and amazing thing people hate saddam hussein i do not i really love this guy because he is being used to rally the world down to make sure things are working better and god bless the united nations finally somebody rubbed the genius to them has taken off and i had the opportunity to be back there recently and very important meetings and you can feel sense the power of the world coming forward to support and clean things in the world and make them better and there were years ago i was one of those who they said get out united nations i go yet you might as well get out why spending money getting up them but you know that was near sightedness on my part all that money spent to save israel palestine jordan iraq iran saudi arabia kuwait cannot be wasted if we can do that we have to come into someone who can sit as the reference point and let that be god and the sacred books but some of those sacred books fight against each other now years ago i said the muslims have a thing called krit kill a christian go to heaven and in this seems strange because i've been told that by a person who is well versed in it and i said show me in your book or that says that there's nowhere in the book that says that people have taken the information and turned it isn't a strange you know if they kill one israeli they kill part of us if they kill one egyptian they kill part of us if when a rabbi from iraq is killed and kills part of us isn't that a strange thing to sit in where we want to hold him confined and that has to be our action to hold when you hold somebody and you care for me and you tell the kid no you can't run down the street and play and you can find them and these are the peace elements that we're working with and we have to work with them folks we can't get around that we had to go to the gas pump and custom for the dollar fifty gallon supreme ninety two led gas on the gas or we learn to drive more economically remember years ago when we all stood up in front of gas stations and even cars and everybody around the country saying get an alternate source of energy we are going yes do that you know what they're saying today we got to get an alternate source of energy we're going yes do that guess what peter williams of my new book is going to be called do it getting off your but with all the clever cuteness of how we go about doing that it's really nice in some sense the word to be as retired as i am from all this but there's nothing so wonderful as the humor of looking at yourself and say sometimes you are very funny and sometimes you tick me off and they get up and live with yourself still at the best rate of of consciousness possible well we're having trouble now within the church and church structure why well a new element has been introduced and that new element of shame we're ashamed of all the things we did and saying was probably the biggest problem of neuroses that we've got going on the planet right now my effort to get people to not do that is very simple if you did it you did it if you can correct it correct it if it didn't work for you don't do it anymore and then for god's how many of you would like to run can't run on you the clarity of purpose that you wanted you intend to do good it didn't turn out that way but let me less don't do the how bad it turned out let me tell you what i was attempting to do maybe we salvage but we've been taught and this is one of those things where it's terribly sown that if you don't measure up to the perfection shame shame on you and it starts out with very little kids we've put our finger together we revel your shame shame double shame and you know we don't know what that means but somehow it gets in that that we're not ok we were there in that we did that then it gets old it's like guess what i saw you coming out of last night now if that bothers you say what were you doing there waiting for me  or somebody else we're not taking the laughter as the gift of god you know laughter is one of the most direct points between two human beings as well we stop laughing we just start looking if we look sometimes we're going into critical mass against the one we love i'm like a people i start cracking up laughing because i think it's hilarious that we love those people i mean i look at wife they find out and that is the major former shame wot if somebody finds out you know we take the piece awareness trainings one of the directions oh i hope they're still doing this i haven't been in one long time was no matter what it does you say just say it because who knows it may be this someplace you watched on television and it got anchored in and though you've never done that it's in there as though you have done that and so you have to speak it out and use it falls just on hollowness and sometimes we do do that and it's going to take a little more roto rooter to go inside and it out for shame that we'll be find out that we did things that are not worthwhile is indeed shameful every one of us have been angry at somebody righteously so found out it was wrong we got wrong information and one of the things that goes with the shame is a form of impatience  it my way perfectly now listen to the fallacy if i have got something i want you do perfectly and you're not perfect why should i beat you up to do the thing perfectly and don't we we do we we go no are you out of feel shame that for you will feel shame duckery it's over now so you can only do it for a little time because joy doesn't allow the shame and caring and loving people doesn't allow for the shame it doesn't and yet the neuroses a bar existence comes out if they find out that i did what i did without knowing how i did it and it turned out well they may ask me to do it again and find out i don't know how to do it all my golly then what will i do how i feel shamed it's an option or tell them they just beat the heck out of me i just do this thing together and here it is just hold together again and do another one now there is a way that if you watch how you do things you can start to reproduce them and if you don't you never building on the standards of your success so somebody comes along and they say that's bad that you do they shake you because you have stood on the success of what you've done i got here to all of this not to any good works but i'm capable of doing i get out home i'm talking to somebody and i'm sure they must think he's a literate this guy's dyslexic on every level can i look at them i'm going to say so and i have started doing spoonerisms so my consciousness just experience a whole lot of things then i stand back and laugh because i realize it's really stupid when it sounds backwards but you know it's very funny later on though i came on he said caleb so i thought maybe he just said that wrong saw what i did i called you know and probably does that oh that's just john roger forgive him or there's somebody else getting wind because i just make a lot of mistakes on the radio if you listen long enough you'll hear please listen long enough to hear him and in the meantime buy the products of my sponsors so i can stay here for a long time so you can listen and that's what the sub context is is so nice to sit here and look at you it's probably not so nice on your part because you seem backs of heads in my face but i'm not saying that from your point of view from mine that in your way in your method and in your crazies whatever they are you're working towards the same thing everyone else is in this church you know working to become a church member you're saying that you know what this church is business is so transcendence it's not conversions it's not getting people from something to something it's just a here platform you come into participate and you move the platform around as you want to and isn't that nice the church of moving the spiritual in awareness is such a great and nice organization and over the years we've said up so it was that for all of you who wanted to come in and new people are coming in and for you people that are going that's fine there's nobody going to cry why if you want to still transcendent see in the western world here's where it sat years ago i said i don't have problems with that because i'm the only car salesman in town we've got a new and we got used and if you're going to travel you're going to come in so why should i go looking for you you're going to come looking for me and i'm going to thing because all of your learning intellectually from school will not count for you it counts this way that you read the information that gets you to a point of certain type of understanding and then at that point you have to drop the intellect and weave to the spirit and i had some people say well how do i know that's true  how do you know it's not true so they say you're talking about something is very hard to prove i said drene a kid listen i've suffered how to try to prove it i don't prove it any more i just present the information you want proof you prove it why don't i prove it i don't have to i can do it not that it was strange once you get to that place of starts to happen you find out that you don't have to prove it and you lose interest in trying to prove to somebody who is train prove it to me and they don't want to do the work that you did to get to that place where can take place for you were not teaching you strange rituals to burn incense and mix chemicals together and swallow the potions and meet at the crossroads at night near date graveyard might be kind of fun to see who shows i know some people show just to see who shows and others ago say i wasn't doing anything i thought i'd get up come down and watch another is there for the deep deep secrets if you get up walk that for for deep secret that's a deep secret right there we're dealing with natural learning but you can't naturally deal with it to see what you've done with what you've learned and so we present that for you to reflect back into yourself to see what you want to change because some of us did do natural learning along the way and some of us didn't do natural learning we didn't do too much of any kind of learning we're hoping we can fudge the rest with your life and then we feel like the great  and if you go to do it what if someone finds out you're not real or you're real but what about feeling like in a posture p l drop people to you to feel like impostors you can all be together have fun and one day you find out you were it was just the way you went about it listen none of us are what we do we're much more than what we say we are much more than the thought that says all of these things you ever had the experience of same something and you are above watching it being said that just tells it to something more than you're thinking in your mind you were above looking down you know some people get shaky oh my god what was there where you were probably and you got so shook you didn't get to find out what it was and you look down here but there's also comes at some point a great freedom say what you will in your mind do what you will to motions put sure enough in that way of reading that is true said what are you gonna do about that as well i think what we should do is turn the page and read the rest of the book because it's got to be something else in there other if that's this soul the body that's it that why go anywhere else then what do we do we if they die why bother if we live why not bother and we live something and get it real clear over and over and over again something  to sleep and something will wake you up and you don't know what they check that is and sometimes it won't let you go to sleep and you lay down there and you'll just like tank out the all the  why aren't you they're doing to and we're on another level aware as we are on this level where well you're on other levels there's no question about that and some of you are sort of aware because you feel phasing out you know that means something else open your spiritual eyes on that level of security to your consciousness it is not difficult to do it is just a process inside where you say i'll open my eyes spiritually or this way i'll open my spiritual eyes because sometimes your physical eyes and your back you're looking around wondering why do that nobody said open your physical lines jr could i ever get stuck in meditation never come and you'll be a warship then when you die they're going to build statues they might even make you a statue just gold and one side all about rituals but what if i meditate and i go to heaven what do you care what happens to your body do people have any understanding the body is dying and this isn't hurts you understand yours is going to die if you understand wells not allowed to do that well then it didn't find another reason one else the battery make up your mind it is or it isn't you decide frankly i'm going home and if you like me to help you start your car i'll be glad to do that but i'm  jumper from my battery to your battery is that ok to you we'll start the car let's do it and see it started many cars that way let's do it and see it start to go thank you so when you get out of the car turn the lights oh my lights go off by themselves great just carry some things that will be you can jump batteries to another car because you're not learning something make sure your lights are off even if they go off make sure they're off make sure you got don't have things plugins going to drain it make sure it's being driven there's a lot of responsibility into owning things you own a body and there's a lots of responsibility in the keeping that charged up and going and what are some of the ways we charge it up in a messiah a we have t s we have workshops we have discourse we have what we have all sorts of things for you to take home and in the privacy of your own time so you don't feel too shameful people are catching yunior faults you listen and you you work to get better and you work to get better and why not because where you are isn't too hot and then we have seminars put on by other organizations and you come in you take the seminar you know all of this wonderful it's a fantastic thing that's moved your consciousness it hasn't anchored it what it has done it's shown you you can move your consciousness you can make a new great feeling come inside how long will it stay there how long can you hold it i don't know i'm with people don't like this get away from those people unless you can get them also to come along that seems serious doesn't get away from people pull you down i did and walked away why not i respect this body and its process i don't always give it the best things but nevertheless i still respect it for what it can do and its limitations and i don't demand it to be perfect and be to the point it doesn't match that because it's not perfect to start with i just want to stuff if you can find my mistakes to make you feel good and you're not improving you've damned yourself by association that's why people say so so just such and such i say i don't care i care for them i don't care for what they did i don't do that i don't like to do that burst out like that type of food it just bothers me that my stomach goes aid i don't like it you don't like it don't do it but we find those people that are going in the same direction and we're not all in the movement spiritual in awareness because you're in this room some of you are in critical thought patterns listening to what's going on and know what's going on here is not what i'm saying is to keep it distracted long enough for this other thing to take place but it is not the words that are being spoken it is the spirit the speaks the words to your heart and listen to that heart and fill it up with  and you can take a few moments and just touch this area or put your hand over it and without compromising yourself just know that in there is the divinity the loving and just know that and feel it how many got goosebumps going around them you start to move into it and don't move away to something else if you look over see how somebody else is doing you're not doing this you're doing something else only do this stay with this you put your hand here so it keeps you can a steady key tied to that and then just tell yourself this is love this this room is low enough to someplace nearby that doesn't feel too good just have that love walk over and touch it if you start to move away from your heart and your hand is bring it back touch it again feel it and say this is here's where it is inside of me from my heart my heart center i give love to all of my body if you say jeff a funny thing my stomach reached down a field where it  is actually something i'll talk my head to feel where it is be safe that love arcs to that or goes through me to the earth this is the love if you're not having success think of something that you really love like your child your new car your life god can take that feeling and make it come awake americas it's your divinity it is yours love is the healer joy is the expression the heartaches from people that have heartaches sentiment if they're dead send them love this does not stay to this level wherever you can conceptualize them you can reach them you can line them up inside of you anchorage in here don't touch another person to anchor it or you have to have them to do it for you share with them later you can have your hand on this  business looks like a prairie thing of ever knows people who are dead often they'll put their hands on their heart of here we have seen people who are in a real deep meditation often have their hand and they're watching their breathing and they're watching their love and they're really saying i am the love for this universe i am the love for the universe outside of me and all of us that are love are one and we stand in the love and we don't submit out of niceness or kindness to that that would attack us we get up and walk away we don't anticipate because the loving is participating us to another area and we love a blessed people and we say on your way because there's nothing for us to do but love and play with each other and with each other means the spouse we laugh we joke we have fun we look at each other we see yeah you got hurt let's have a laugh because that laughter is going to reduce the hurt around  when you start laughing that starts to move the energy from a loving flow of a loving moves you want to remember you touch it or you may just touch your hand to get a go when i touch my fingers like this that tells me the love is coming back in me it's a remembrance but there's a better one when you see the eyes of it remind you of the love in your own heart this is a wonderful anchor isn't it because look at all the people around you even the cars go by real fast coming towards you you catch our eyes you what the interesting thing of this is all the sudden you start to know that person in their essence someone takes your parking place you look at them and you go right ahead you really need this more than i do now because you're not into you're loving the way you can be go ahead and have my loving has eternal patients yours does too because it's from the turtle source as not our own it is part of us wonderful day it's part of us and it's god's divinity in us and it's us recognizing us and this sounds like her take a philosophical mumble jumble except for one thing you feel the l you and it's there and you go it's there and the people that you would really love to castigate you don't the love is there but you can still tell them no i'm not participating with you because i'm not participating with what you're doing why that doesn't take me where i want to go i'm going to be able with these other people these kooky people who are loving and joyful and happy we are an enigma to this and peculiar people they stood by the beginning here in the same you're all angels and i've got news for you your saints you'd have to be to put up with me all these years i mean you've gone through trials and tribulations because of what i have set up or what you've set up but we've all worked and we're working and we're showing people all over the planet how it can be done and we're interfering into intercessory work in iraq and egypt and israel to bring about stability for people to bring them love and harmony that she can bring and give anybody what you don't have so work on yours and get yours and don't demand  to be anything than what they are and just can't keep producing your loving and when you touch them being you hug them let the loving hug them to your arms this is our destiny as human beings here to be commutators for divine energy to step down and to share if evil appears to love it it will disappear if you're loving all the time no evil comes around you you walk in chant you walk as though it's magic the environment steadily down and we say peace be still and it is so because the divinity is like that isn't the loving terrific in here and you know we can go out in the street will hear horns of a laugh will be yelling at somebody do this new them having fun laughing and giggling and this can still be there once we train it it's there all the time no matter what's happening then we're walking prayer to everyone we're actually than the angels of the resurrection of life and people and will do the work or do the job there's no worry about that we would do it the best we can and if we slide there are others here who's going to move in and start to do it all still welcome them with open arms because we can share the ministries together and when people say outrageous things that aren't true your loving will say that's not true it's not like that people can experience all sorts of things it's not like  if you experienced that it was a bad time because the good times are the better experiences this movement has a slice of humanity running to us whatever there is out in the world it's here you know where we don't have to go anywhere to experience it all and then we get to experience the good the bad sides of everybody who get to see what those are and none of them are bad or dark or mean which is there is a part of a reference point we look at it we look at the good side we go well there they are they look like they're very average human being let's all have something together let's enjoy each other let's fulfill the health wealth of happiness on the loving and the kerry and the sharing and the prosperity  riches then we can share the dollars also if we want to but let share of all of that that comes into us and i do is say let's all manage to go together and work and be happy and joy let's do that let's don't think about that let's just start as soon as i end here you start doing that by the physical motion of the movements of what you're doing because god  has not withheld from us all we have with help from each other as time now to open to give to each other god will supply much much more in the spirit above these organizations is great wealth in abundance but we have to open and let him know that we can receive the abundance by sharing the abundance and the help from happiness as we do we'll become a walking prayer that's answering everything go that way do that be happy worrying doesn't make you happy worrying doesn't do anything but if you worry go do what you're worried about and get down and get happy and john rogers closing words were they rushed they shan't which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free booklet about john roger and m s i a call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine book be ok that's one eight hundred eighty nine nine two six six five or write to that which is post office box three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one this is bend that which is with john roger thanks for joining