what's talk a little bit about this u s israel relationship what it what stands out about the u s israel relationship that makes you feel that the u s is a captive of israel will that the fittest thing you have to look at is w situation in the u s now hundreds of thousands of americans are becoming homeless losing their homes losing their jobs but the congress is very willing to continue three billion dollars a year at least at least i've heard that don't tell me about this again an iron dome and two hundred million of american dollars to israel yeah yeah that was voted on that last week think of that american should ask why is this money coming from like it's coming from our pockets  each year there's also plenty of money that tax deductible donations that go to organizations here in america but the end of him is there to do it don't you feel that there's a strategic military partnership  american empire and that israel is at that bug or is it the other way around that israel has a lot of desire and dreams in the middle east and they are actually successfully using the american military power to achieve their goals i think it troubles me that we are giving a kind of roguish state sophisticated weaponry and that the people that they are targeting have none of this aura one advantage of that is to actually test the because military usually saying has some credibility but i still hope it's not true because it would mean that we've given up our morality for this relationship with israel let me ask you about the democracy i mean israel is this  mideast democracy that we want to support and that is a democracy we would relate to a democracy in this troubled area of the middle east one of the democracy is a funny war that actually because the america talks of a democracy but it have veto power in the in security council as i like to call it without without even thinking about it especially when it comes to is that i look at it's one of the thing is that i'm making people in the muslim or friend israel the impact that america's relationship with israel in the middle east has on those neighbors of israel there's egypt is jordan or syria and lebanon saudi arabia isn't it where the governments are most aligned with the government of the united states moment i think this is a very important point that people need to look a hard look at not very democratic of the united states to support some of these regimes in egypt and saudi arabia elsewhere and you think about israel it doesn't fit the mold as a colonial part really doesn't vance american colonialism advances american cost and risk if anything else i mean after all we can get the oil by any reference to the us israel relationship i'm always taken aback by this no daylight rhetoric that is coming out of the lobby in american israel there's no daylight between their views values which to me  do you think the control of the media plays a role here i mean we hear that there is no daylight here that israel is the only democracy in the middle lose we hear that israel only wants peace and there's no partner for peace but it seems like it covers up the reality there and that is only possible if there is control over the media certainly in new york city there are no jewish newspaper major newspapers left yeah this is this israeli actions and it's a strange to me that israelis have more freedom to speak out both their own government than americans have to speak about the government you know i've heard that mentioned that actually is really more freedom of speech freedom of the press than americans do because apparently if you're asserting there's zionists israeli control over speech and press here let me let me bring up this point about judea christian values do you think that americans and jews are the israelis tightknit because we share the book because of this jew do you christian culture well it's certainly one of the ideas that in between the values of islam and the values of freedom and freedom of religion and freedom of speech and so on of course the fact that the sad fact is that the vast majority of muslims to they are living under governments that are not the has lemming which gives of the confusion of their perception that islam itself is a guinness of the values of democracy and freedom of speech but that's not true and i would be best only willing to debate against anybody anywhere at any time that the fact that when it comes to the values of islam it's so very much consistent with the values of the west in general in terms of freedom and democracy and freedom of religion and feel speech and so one of the things that may explain part the american support of israel is a sense of guilt that there were such discrimination against the jews and that this is a recognition of israel it was done by the vatican recently is a kind of atonement christian atonement to the jews but well i don't really want to say that because i don't think christians who have very good values and people who believe in god and would actually bloodshed lately but let's talk now about the the lobby we're talking about israel having undue influence or even control over america exercised through its zionist lobby but when we see the sinus b visit visit the local offices of the congress members every week every week and i've heard that they keep score cards in their years the carrot or the stick to use money or they'll use intimidation politics and policies that we we would think that a lot of these policies are not in americans interest it's something that hellish should go all of us but should mobilize us to look into this and find out why as a foreign power exerting such and this is this is very important because it's not try it to lose money to give it to someone who will end up actually creating what enemies for you i think that's a very very bad at rangers you know what  your what you're touching on here is all sounding and i think a lot of people have suspected it they're just not ready to divert eliza's cinnamon like there's some some treason happening here i mean this is not a lobby in an ordinary sense of the lobby that it's not just a pack a pack is one facet of this i've heard it called the zionist octopus and that octopus actually has fifty one or so confederated organizations in and they're tightly confederated because i think someone mentioned that i don't recall the book when it's it was mentioned but there are so powerful no other boasting like that yeah like he can he can take an african piece of nothing from his kleenex box and then that i have whatever he wants on it and within twenty four hours he can have seventy seven to sign on it those which is funny because a few months back seventy six senators from the u s senate wrote a letter to hillary clinton i think amending to have the disagreements between the s and israel should be kept to behind closed doors and not discussed in public and that in itself is a really interesting white way out in the american supposed to hear and understand when there is a conflict of disagreement between the united states and  that there is something to cover up and things that are not in america's interest i just don't phone to speculate but it's interesting just to look i know it's getting harder and harder for the pro israel faction with their part of apac or any one of those other fifty one organizations that make up the zionist octopus that's doing good in america it's getting hard to make the case that israel is operating in america's interest because we are seeing the occupation how brutal  scenarios i remember reading in the book by george tenet in the middle of the storm his memoirs after he left that at one time he had to slow blippy from the thing making those assumptions that what if scenario what if  the to influence of that with come from the cia you know it sounds it's sounds ominous i mean having the united states whether it actually were nearly controlled by a foreign power israel through zionist lobby which is made up largely of american citizens which are flirting with what i think is an american activity it's it is going and it is time to mobilize now help us how do we how do israelis want and then went and presented it to the palestinians as if it's a that and we've heard that from your shimer walty professors from the university of chicago hard respectively that brought out the israel lobby book to talk about what we're talking they are american citizens but they're also lemmas but not all zionists or undermining america i would think although it's it's beginning to blur whether zionism is indeed a dollar tree of israel and israel first america second kind of creed yeah i see it's out of the for anybody to know who are all of the zionists we can only talk about the ones that we see th actions yet but with of that there are people who call themselves progressive zionists and claim that they are not in agreement with the actions of a pack and other organisations but i think it will be important for them they want to really make a difference is to come out of it and maybe have a dialogue or a debate with with those who are the ones that are controlling it back and so on and then let's see and i'm to some degree hopeful because there are there is for example for the first covert in the cement twosome it's actually in some places becoming over and it's hard for people to not feel that it's undermining america it's a patriotic issue yet this is very true and i heard that from several jewish friends to americans until that gap is bridge too there's that organization there's no way to hold the actions back to one way of improving the u s foreign policy in general and also the relationship between the united states and israel is to make sure that people are not elected based on who pays money for them to get elected because that means actually they like buying them or doing the bidding of some that's that's not right i think that's the three are honest brokers not dishonest brokers for israel and if you had an interesting comment that i like to help palestinians to free the palestinians americans have got to free themselves forced when i said that several times before and i heard that from several people before that with with that much control of the u s congress by a foreign policy lobby america is under  public and letting them know that we can't wait around for bombs drop on iran to realize that we we're being controlled by israel thank you for inviting me it has been a pleasure