don't i am again yeah yeah so what games did you like when you were a kid well when i was a kid my older brothers and my sister were always try to make me not play the game so they would check the side of the box and said oh this game recommended for children ages such and such and such and such and they would try to find a game that i wasn't old enough to be part of and a way they they could say oh you can't play this game yet you have to wait till later and that would make me so mad and did do it mr doug in the bathroom with the plunger you know ok well good so let's listen to this hi everybody we're back we're listening to you so did you also play those games with your your brothers and sister where they like locked you in the closet or something or they used to play this game where they would throw in the bottom of the sleeping bag and then they would throw all sorts of stuff on top of me and see if i could suffocate it you never won that game i did you ever wondered again no good i was crawled out did they ever get in trouble for how horrible they were to you well i'm sure they would say yes because i would scream sometimes when i was a little kid yeah yeah so you know this is you know i guess i never actually think them because they've made you so docile  monopoly oh i have played monopoly yeah well recently i played monopoly and was it is horrible as you remember as yeah well on for like six zero or not forever but actually my friends greasy and charlotte who are young ladies near the age of ten or below they go up to play monopoly but they have their own rules and these rules have the side effect of really speeding up the game well that's a good thing what are these rules well part of the rules is that they always get st purples right they always get those and when you go to jail you have to roll four to get out and that means that you have to lay their hotel on st james pla it's you that games is terrible because it goes on for ever it does go on forever and i don't quite understand the attraction of monopoly and it's just you know by the end everyone's annoyed right because it's just it wears me down yeah just stop this game  and so i've never quite understand why that's such a popular game but kids love it tell popular to do is it really it is i don't quite understand it even so i know for a fact that in none of our listeners are playing monopoly right now because they are smarter than that yeah they know that they don't want to zero sum game they want to win win games like the tom and doug show we have our own game you know when you turn on the radio you wait for like a week and then all of a sudden i think we should in a beautiful magnificent place like this yes the gothic architecture yes don't build absolutely or what you see is real and what you get yeah it's a it's you know it's really  barely satisfies the definition of the word surely that statement is true about ninety percent of your shirts and for many years you were a belt that was no longer a belt yet it was held together can really get it where you can see individual threads yeah because really there's more skin showing through then there is threads covering we're at a stop light i would show you exactly what i'm wearing right now saturday morning i was living in apartment very close like a walk to the supermarket so i got up on a saturday morning went to the supermarket and then you know that dream that you have that then you're in a public place and you discover your naked and you don't know how you going to get out it was exactly like that guy we're back now i would be like the perfect game for you well you know i've done some thinking about games because you know everybody's into games now with this computer games and the gaming stuff and you've studied some of this stuff and really somebody came pointed out that a game is really just a set of rules yes and those rules allow interesting things to happen if it's a good game yeah it's a good game and so it's hard to come up with those that set of rules like basketball for instance when you run the ball down the court you have to bounce the ball rule one rule to you you get a point when you throw the ball through good little basket it's kind of cool right whatever rule three you're not supposed to punch anybody  ball you could punch the ball but you can't punch a rule for do that over and over and over again for three hours for a long time even the n b a people feel like the game is too yeah but i have so much trouble just keeping up with the reality of the real life they creating alternate realities using made up rules is just i just don't got time for that so do you think that your life is like again you know i don't go look at it as a game because that would mean that you have a winner and you have a better than you i guess there can be games now people are creating games that were don't really have winners or what they have to say of so many wins all along the way like apples to apples great game because there will be zero winner at the end but along the way everyone's won some parts of it too we recently paid played out we had like eight now you just you start off the show saying you don't play games and yet leaves a lot of room for creativity whereas cards against humanity are sort of like pointing you to the dumb joke that they want you to make so how about this show speaking of is not a game we are for colleagues students and graduate students who like get together for game nights and play a whole bunch of different games including some that like take hours just to set up on their phones they play no no no no they board games it's kind of a you know this retro thank everybody we're back hey we got to go we got to go because life is not a game and you have to live by somebody else's rules and that rule is the time the time of this show is set we got to say goodbye when that when it says time to get say goodbye and sounds like if we're following the rules then we're playing a game yeah we've got rules but we're not a game and our stand is confusing you said the game is just a set of rules it is set of rules but it's no game make up your mind ok if you come back we will make up our mind in our mind will be set and it will be ready for you got my mind set on you do it i'll be ready for you to come back and enjoy another episode of the tomah dog show all right bye bye we've been doing this for twenty seven minutes in thirteen seconds and we haven't asked you for money explicitly yet