and your left arm maryland town hall carol welch and janet stern and we're going to whirlwind show tonight because we're talking about two films that are in the theaters right now one is a this is a movie set in texas he could say it's about texas into the two brothers played by chris pine and ben foster who's ranch is about to be foreclosed and to make matters worse and i hope this isn't  spoiler gas has been found oil oil has been found on the day on the ranch so if it's foreclosed upon they're going to lose everything so in order to pay the mortgage which is arrears there they decide they're going to rob banks and chris who's the good boy and took care of their mother as she was dying he doesn't know much about bank robbing so he listens brother who's just got out of the pen for brand bank so and they are in pursuit in pursuit in hot pursuit is jeff bridges who is a texas ranger and he's about to retire and his partner so that's basically why it's not a lot more to it than that i was intrigued looking at this film and i wonder if you the others felt the same way a lot of other westerns came to mind name a culture represented by hud who is played by paul newman as a sort of an amoral drifter coming down from his father who is a sort of patriarchal classic cowboy and he's he says he's not he's got the cowboy skills but there's no life there's no way for a cowboy in the modern west so they've been saying that it's no place for the cowboy in the modern west since the early one nine hundred sixty s and here it is fifty years later and  it's like that that that the new bad guys the cowboys aren't facing an enemy like indians they're facing banks well a little bit like if you want to talk about the grapes of wrath right it would have to end which these are the bank the bank is this the retiring cop and the other racial buddy cop you know danny glover and yeah that's where although in this case they they're quite open with their racist remarks and yes it's actually more endearing than it i mean i think that that you know given that they didn't have that much to work with it's a magnificent film because it's very competitive compelling yeah i think it's very compelling too but i also have to you know give a shout out i looked up the cinematographer and he doesn't really have that many impressive credits but maybe it's just the landscape the randy the wage the way unscathed is shot it's just absolutely compelling even though as you say janet it's desolate and there's nothing on it is it's but what do you think the politics of this movie is the banks the bank the bank is the villain and many of the people in the film it's like again bonnie and clyde the people in the film are not really all that sympathetic to the banks getting rock as and in fact when the brothers are robbing one bank they say to a patron who like offers them his money no we're just taking the bank's money we're not taking your money when i we're not and as far as the plot moves along we find out that it's not the bank robber that really plans these things so carefully it's chris pine but i think the politics of it i mean it's definitely  police doing their job all the citizens for chasing with their guns who tried your bank robbers you know you were saying before about not having not not being a place for cowboys there's none of it really is that where you did you mean there is not really a place for texas rangers anymore either no texas rangers are according to a little clip i saw the cream of the crop in american law enforcement and the oldest but they seem to not have much to do anymore i mean this just are no people so they have very little traction there's just been tracking they're just not doing anything well that's what suggested you know beginning of the movie that they might not have much to do  so much but a philosophical why and what comes really really comes through is the fact that it's ambiguous who's good and who's bad and you don't we start out thinking bank robbers are bad but we learned there very shortly that that's not the case that there are motives that people have some good in them and some bad where there are no noble motives for doing bad right it's that's just what i liked about the movies is that they carry out there where in some ways no bad characters are completely bad characters one of the brothers brummell explanation that that is why a very violent father yes beat them and and that this young man had a reason growing up to be very rebellious and violent he learned violence at the hands you're not conversant with those there's a part of the film that you don't quite get you want to explain carol well i mean to be a reverse mortgage that the mother is dying yes mother who who and she has no means of support apparently the ranch isn't doing well so she takes on a reverse mortgage where the bank agrees to take the deed to the to the property and they pay out a certain amount of money is this what you want me to explain yeah and what the law says at the end is kind of in on the do you know that you know they just what he said what i hated about this bank was they just gave her enough so she could be poor i mean she they gave her so little and yet they were going to foreclose on this property at her death and make out like bandits yeah and that's what happens they look for the time when the person dies and then they take over and then they take it in fact i want a real ban big criminal brother because of bright white funny too because he had he he is very funny because these are two brothers and they obviously brought up together very close love each other but they're extremely different  different yes and one of them is very serious and one of them is not very serious because he feels he has nothing to lose or access and he has nothing to lose whereas the other brother is trying to call back the  it's just startling how poor it is kids don't have to go to school they don't have medical care everything you know they don't need any way order one young girl it develops that one young girl who has nothing and who has no even any sense that she has anything the movie made about the very poor chicano neighborhood in in los angeles right that that produced because a very charismatic teacher produced these kids who were able to pass the a calculus exam and e t s was so surprised by this expert but if you tell them there's something special about you if you show that they become special and you know into what they can do and actually i objected to one of the reviews said that the girl dropped out of school she family couldn't afford the fees that are required the uniforms or the uniforms and the kids in that country can only go to school if your parents are wealthy enough to have the fees and that that's brought out very well because there certain tournaments against the rich kids who are in a private school and have their lovely spiffy uniforms and parents you can afford and dated yes who can afford food and things like that and  the difference in the in the community is stark yes and different so i thought was such a touching scene where they go vis group of children manage their their coach by fighting and negotiating managed to get them a tournaments against these children from the private school and they go to the private school and they they stay overnight because the tournaments going to start the next morning and they they don't they don't know how to sleep in a bad that they're put in the dormitory and they don't know what to do and they all end up sleeping on the floor because that's what they're used to to gather and yet they all leave together yeah yeah i think one of the nice things previous generation a generation of the parents yet who have been through wars i mean rwanda was next door and that what about i d n you know the enemy i think that's the thing that i felt that the coach who lost his parents was referring to evy i mean you know organized terror so they they are they have been also schooled not to expect anything if no one is actually killing you are hacking off your limbs it's a good day and their expectations are at that level so there was things he didn't understand about her moves but the younger one it was really a little slow for her i'm a little bit over her head a little difficult for her to understand i was acting and thank god that in chess you have to her being just normally shy and just sort of and i'm serving and this growing intelligence which and how i think coming aware of and that tension between those two things i had was extraordinary yes well one point she becomes going to she's not fetching water anymore and that we need to get her back well i'm sorry to cut off discussion but we're coming to our last couple minutes and bob do you want to say what you felt about the two films i love the both on different levels i think western i was pleasantly surprised wonderful acting great script funny and tight just a tiny tight very good run from a team i really didn't know much about haven't seen much from them that love the freshness of the no actors yeah yeah hell or highwater i wouldn't say that western surmise younger but i loved it and i just really had a great time i thought it was lacked a beautiful film my at the end and it was it really was was so well done i thought it was going to come out