are very lucky to have this live in the studios this morning bruce gagne gaghan has been working on space issues for more than twenty seven years in his cofounder and corner of the global network against weapons and nuclear power in space he is a vietnam era veteran and began his career working for the united farm workers union in florida organizing fruit pickers for fifteen years according to the florida coalition for peace and justice and organized the largest peace protest in florida history when over five thousand people marched on cape canaveral in opposition to the first flight test of the trident two nuclear missile and he will be speaking here in the greater seattle area at several events and we'll be giving you details on that at the end of the half hour so start out tell us about the global network against weapons and nuclear power in space well actually it's our twentieth year in operation we were created in one thousand nine hundred two because at that time i was working for the florida coalition for peace and justice and obviously with the nasa and the kennedy space center there in florida we were witnessing the arms race moving into space in a dramatic way and our friends in colorado springs colorado a group called citizens for peace and space where the air force base command headquarters is we were the only two groups in the country that were consistently working on this issue and put our heads together and said you know this thing we really need to get it out to a larger audience because all over the world the space command was creating bases to talk to the satellites as the satellites would orbit the earth they feed their signal to the ground just below them and  groups peace groups in england in australia and other countries were saying hey we don't want our country to be used for these space command bases that are help helping to put in motion this whole star wars infrastructure so they became the membership of the global network and so today one hundred fifty affiliated groups around the planet working hard to try to head off this and sane process  of directing all warfare from space technology they call it net centric warfare and full spectrum dominance that the u s military will dominate conflict at every level directed by u s military satellites so when we launched shock and awe invasion of iraq in two thousand and three against saddam hussein in the initial attack seventy percent of the weapons were directed to their targets by military satellites in today the drones flying over afghanistan and pakistan are basically flown by pilots as they call them sitting back at bases in the united states places like creech air force base outside a las vegas hoked up to computer screens joysticks flying these things in real time split second time connected by satellites to the drone flying over time split second the signal flies through space through the satellite to the drone boom they fire the missile that kills more civilians so all of this is happening now today with your tax dollars and the pentagon is well you know if we could do that so can someone else right so we can allow any other country to have access to space and in fact they were a patch on their uniform at the space command's his master of space so we're out there working hard at it the pentagon brags that this will be the largest industrial project in the history of the planet earth so much money that they say they have to come up with a dedicated funding source to pay for it and they have they say that it's in title meant programs that officially are social security medicare medicaid and what's left of the welfare program and that's why we see both parties today republicans and democrats going after these programs under the under the excuse of all you know austerity we have you know a growing budget deficit we have to cut these programs we have to raise the retirement age so security we have to cut into health care programs and medicare and medicaid we have to decrease the amount of  the money that people get on food stamps every month but really it's all about moving transferring the money over into the military industrial complex it is just eating our country alive can you talk a bit about the beginnings of the u s space program because i don't think many people listening are aware of our ties to let's say a project paperclip you know at the end of world war two the united states smuggled into this country fifteen hundred of the top nazi operatives the nazi rocket team that was launching the v one envy to rockets against the european cities towards the end of the war when hitler was getting desperate they were running an operation inside of a mountain chain in germany where they had slave labor jews gypsies french resistance fighters communists they had forty thousand slaves there and inside this mountain tunnel where they were building these rockets for hitler they killed twenty five thousand of them there in these concentration camps slave labor  and so after the war we brought in one hundred of the top nazi rocket scientists including verner von braun and also major general walter dorn berger he was hitler's liaison in charge of the whole program he was verner von braun's boss they were brought to the u s along with one hundred copies of the two rocket to create the u s space program walter dorn berger became vice president of bell aerospace in new york and in fact in one nine hundred fifty three he testified before the congress the united states saying gentlemen i didn't come to this country to lose the third world war i lost two already and he talked about the need to have orbiting battle stations in space so that we could control not only the earth below but who could get on and off the planet earth you know just in the last week there's been a story about going out to mind the asteroids google and a lot of these other corporate executives putting money into these technologies well they've been planning for a long time at the space command that they'll have a role in all of this they'll their job will be to control the pathway on and off the planet earth like the front gate of a military base to determine who gets to go mine this guy and who doesn't so anyway the that's all the nazi prophecies but in addition to the rocket scientist the nazi intelligence were brought into the country under operation paperclip they were used to help create the cia the former nazi scientists were doing mind control experiments on the jews they were brought in to do the m k ultra l s d drug experiments of the sixty's when people were jumping out of windows because they're having bad trips that those with a nazi rock nazi scientists the nazi scientists that were doing experiments on putting jews in freezing temperatures to see how the body would react they were brought to wright patterson air force base in ohio to create the u s air force flight medicine program and so the entire military industrial complex was seeded with these fifteen hundred top nazi operatives and so the question becomes is there a ideological contamination when you infuse the military industrial complex with these top nazi operatives and i believe there indeed was and  it's pretty much hard to deny that there was so it's a story that not many people know about and there's a book written about it all that's fascinating former c n n reporter linda hunt wrote a book called secret agenda and i highly recommend it to people all right so talk more about the u s space program between then and now critical developments you can you see that occurred during that time well so that you know they began working on this military space stuff right after world war two always always nasa was controlled by the pentagon always every mission was what they call dual use meaning it was civilian and military at the same time and it's still that way today just to give an example but two years ago nasa fired a missile from an orbiting space satellite into the moon and went deep in under the ground like a bunker buster kind of thing and they said they were looking for water you know trying to find water on the moon ok but what's the military application of this particular test well turn the satellite around aim the missile at the earth and you have developed a technology that can be fired at russia or china for example that can from space penetrate underground and try to take out their list say their underground nuclear weapons as it turns out the u s space command for the last several years has been war gaming a first strike attack on china said in the year two thousand and sixteen they call it the red team vs the blue team and in this first strike attack china has twenty today china has twenty nuclear missiles capable of hitting the west coast the united states so in this first strike attack the u s launches this attack on china trying to take out their twenty nuclear missiles that are underground in these underground bunkers and so systems like this one that was tested on this otherwise and knock us nasa you know space mission and civilian application you know you see how this game begins to work  military has been riding the nasa horse for a long long long time and it this way the public doesn't get too alarmed you know if you can shelter it and pretty it up dress it up as a civilian thing then the public doesn't pay much  attention but now the successor to the shuttle you know the shuttles are being retired the successor is going to be called the military space plane it would have a role in this first strike attack on china it would fly down from orbit drop an attack also so many different technologies being worked on as the u s today begins to surround russia and china are now in circling both those countries why would we encircle russia with nato expansion with us so called missile defense systems surrounding russia why would we do that what's the you know why do we want to restart the cold war with russia was it turns out russia has the world's largest supply of natural gas and significant supplies of oil and don't we know by now that the primary job of the pentagon is to serve as the resource extraction service of corporate globalization  one recent example of that was the invasion of libya by the u s and nato well didn't we invade libya to free the people from khadafi and get rid of gadhafi isn't that why we invaded libya well no as it turns out libya has the largest supply of oil on the african continent and so again the pentagon's primary role is to serve as a resource extraction service under corporate globalization the pentagon's been saying for a few years now that under corporate globalization every country is going to have a different role and they say we're not going to make things in america anymore we're not going to make clothes and shoes and refrigerators and television sets it's cheaper to go overseas maximize profits internationally are our role in america under corporate globalization they say will be security export so will be the military arm of corporate globalization so we'll send our young people to die consistently over and over again in endless wars to control the declining resources around the world we're running out of oil we're running out of natural gas we're running out of water the minerals under the ground that are made that are used to make computers laptops and cell phones primarily in africa under the african soil so that's why we've created t africa command afrikan in recent years to to begin establish control of the african continent so this is our role in the u s in the coming period and in order to pay for all that again they have to destroy social progress that's why they're privatizing public education that's why they're making it difficult for young people to go to college anymore so when i was in santa monica i'm on this thirty day speaking tour coming up from san diego all the way here now twenty four cities and when i was in santa monica california students at santa monica community college were protesting against a three hundred percent increase in tuition and they were pepper resources to pay for all of this and less war to benefit these multinational corporations so space technology becomes a key element a key strategic tool in the warfare to box to make all this happen so where it once was not unheard of to people to hear people criticizing u s foreign policy and saying we really can't be the world's policeman anymore it sounds like you're saying you know that's exactly what the pentagon wants us to remain and that's our top job in the world you know and that's so if you don't have many jobs that means increasingly for young people the only option then it's to go into the military i live in maine maine is largely a rural state and there are no jobs in maine anymore the largest employer in the state is general dynamics corporation building weapons but outside of that there's not many jobs even the paper mills are closing down they're cutting timber and taking it out of the country and processing it again because there's cheaper labor in other places so young people are finding that their only future is military and you know in fact two years ago sears came out with a new clothing line for young boys i heard about and i went to the store with a friend of mine and there they were the military camouflage uniforms for young boys so what's the message to working class kids in america this is all you're going to be talk about the current situation with the obama administration what expansions have they made on this program obama is now in circling russia and china with these so called missile defense systems land base and sea based systems surrounding russia and china and they're part of this first strike attack program the idea is that after you launch your first strike attack on russia or china and they try to fire a retaliate or a nuclear strike you have these so called missile defense systems that you've prepositioned around them you have them take out their remaining retaliatory capability so imagine it after we lunge forward with the sword the first strike sword into the heart of russia or china they try to launch their remaining nuclear weapons in a retaliatory strike and then we then have this so called missile defense shield put up in order to take out their retaliate or the capability giving us then a successful and complete first strike attack so today obama is surrounding russia and china with these systems very provocative very dangerous going to lead to a new numbers of bases or troop levels obama just went to australia did you know that australia was in danger of being invaded and that he cut a deal to send twenty five hundred marines to northern city darwin on the north coast of australia to defend australia now who's going to invade australia i mean this is ridiculous well it's not about defense whatsoever it's about this office of pivot that is being used to surround china now why do we want surround china we thought you know we're becoming big trading partners right well as it turns out the pentagon is determined that well we can't compete with china economically anymore if we control their access to resources then we'll hold the keys to their economic engine and we'll be in charge this is the way we stay in charge by militarily controlling resources around the world king of the hill so as it turns out china imports sixty percent of their oil on ships and if you look at a map you'll notice that china what separates china and korea is this thing called the yellow sea and this is the route that the  chinese ships carrying their oil and other resources go so as it just below the south korean peninsula just south of it is this little island called jade you island pristine environmental jewel unesco recognised world heritage sites environmental jewel and so on this little island the u s is forcing the south korean government to build a navy base so that we can port our warships to help choke off china's importation of oil so again we control their economy this way while this is going to create a new arms race in that region just as we're going to create a new arms race with russia as we surround them we're going to create a new arms race with china as we surround them too and of course the military industrial complex just loves that idea right because they are now in my state in maine where we build navy aegis destroyers in my town bath maine at bath ironworks owned by general dynamics the senators and representatives from our state are running around the state saying oh my god oh my god look look china is now increasing its military china is now increasing it so warships well gee i wonder why it's because we're surrounding them you know and so we got to build more so this is how the game works now my magin if china and russia were building bases in canada and mexico and deploying warships off the inland and in the pacific coast of the us we'd be going ballistic over right we're doing the same to them and the american people don't even know it talk more about jade you island you actually had been there recently a visit i was there in february actually on the south side of recognized endangered soft coral reefs beautiful beautiful things tropical fish some a tropical island and today they're dredging the waterway there to deepen it the seabed to make it deeper to bring in u s aircraft carriers u s nuclear submarines and these navy aegis destroyers that are outfitted with these so called missile defense systems and then on the rocky coast sacred rocky coast they call groom b where they've worshiped nature for four hundred fifty years worship the passing of their relatives this is today being blasted by the samsung corporation as it turns out samsung has a division where their construction division they're the leading contractor for to build this space there is now a boycott been declared on samsung by the korean peace community we  due to help honor that and so that after they blasted this rocky coast they're going to cover in cement to build the reefs and wharfs to dock these u s warships so the entire way of life of this village is being destroyed today so we've been very supportive of them and they asked us to bring our annual meeting there in february and we did we brought people from thirteen countries and they took us on kayaks out to the rocky coast because you can't get to it anymore by foot because they've samsung is closed off with fences and razor wire and everything else so they took us out on kayaks and we crawled sixteen of us crawled under the kayaks and were arrested and taken i mean under there were razor wire rather and were arrested and taken to jail i've never met such a more more determined fierce nonviolent group of people and all my life as these villagers you know because they have their entire way of life at stake here you know everything is on the line for them and so they're in the streets twelve to fourteen hours a day for the last five years nonviolently battling and i use those two words together because they are nonviolent but it's it's a fierce battle being waged with the police trying to block the construction trucks of cement trucks trying to get back onto groom be sacred rock doing going through putting holes in the fence and going through the fence or back out in the kayaks trying to go into the razor wire and it's a huge number of catholic priests and nuns that have come from all over korea and south korea catholics are like forty percent of the population it's a big big part of the religious tradition and so but it's really unlike any catholic church you ever see in your life catholic priests and nuns come in hordes and get arrested there they had a big mass of three more than three thousand catholic priests and nuns last year with from all over south korea and then they determined that we are going to go home to every diocese in this country and take this issue of j jew island to the people and so people are coming to judge you from all over the country and from around the world now to support the village but there's this one priest seventy one year old father moon long flowing white beard he's the most famous catholic priest in all of south korea and he is fierce and he twitters all day to  followers around the country well he was recently pushed off this big huge tetrapod it's called this ugly piece of cement that they create to put out in the ocean to he was pushed off it by a policeman and fell twenty feet in his head and bounced off the cement and ended up breaking three vertebrae in his wrist he was in the hospital for a couple weeks and he's back out and yesterday he was arrested crawling under a truck and there's a picture of him you can see the cast on his arm from his broken wrist and he's under one of these construction trucks added again father moon going to jail one more time it's just unbelievable and he's pledged to die there and so this is the kind of fierceness that these people are  displaying and you know they they say who will speak for the rocks who will speak for the fish who will speak for the coral who will speak for the water that is now being contaminated as they blast the the rocky coast and prepare to build this navy base and so the people there are really connected to nature they really understand there are human connections in nature and so this struggle on jade you island is so important because it connects really the environment it connects human rights issue it connects the peace issue so they were the global community needs to support these folks because it's one place where we can defend human rights and the environment and peace creating so it's really important if you go to facebook you can find the page a no name no navy base on j jewett's and you follow this whole campaign we are talking with bruce gagne he's co founder and coordinator of the global network against weapons and nuclear power and space and unfortunately we're just about out of time we didn't have time to get in to talk about conversion but you do you're going to do in multiple talks here in the greater seattle area where you discuss that that there is actually some hope for converting over our military industrial complex to more peaceful means yeah we need to stop building weapons and build rail system solar society help deal with our real problem which is climate change and the empirical evidence shows that if we do that we'll double and triple the amount of jobs that we presently get from military spending military spending is capital intensive but it is not labor intensive and if we put money into home whether ization into solar into rail systems into health care and education every case will create more jobs and with our tax dollars and that's the way we can deal with climate change and resurrect our flagging our collapsing economy well with that we are and force me out of time i want to thank you very much for coming as bennett thank you mark we are very lucky to have the best live in the studios this morning want to swap is an economics professor at seattle university and seattle central community college she is a member of the american federation of teachers union local seventeen eighty nine and an organizer with socialist alternative and she is a candidate for washington state house of representatives the forty third district position one question i thank you very much for coming and spending time with us this morning good morning mike thank you very much for having me so start out tell us why are you running as a candidate for the washington state house of representatives in the forty third district and position one you know running this campaign in the wake of  what's happened over the last several decades not only the united states but all over the wall there's been a massive increase in the polarization of society massive inequality you look at the u s you know this is the wealthiest country in the wild but for decades the standards of living of the working class of ordinary people who you know are going to be men and children have been deteriorating and this is this has been a systematic process for decades poverty rates have gone up but in addition to do those chronic  problems that ordinary working people face in you know now they're facing the brunt of the great recession and since two thousand and eight there has been just and unimaginable fall in the living standards of people in funding they have for education for basic health for really really basic things that you know people want and in the state of washington for decades we've had that immigrating party presiding over you know god after god after god do like i said basic social services that people rely on on education and you know the democrats are always telling us that well you know  progressive as progressive you know to support us because we're the only ones standing for you and we have to do these gods because frankly you know we have to be fiscally responsible there's no money the state treasury is bankrupt and all these cuts are inevitable and you know how many times have we heard greg on my hands are tied but you know as an as an activist as a socialist as an economics professor i can tell you that that's a bald faced lie washington state is one of the wealthiest states in the country we have you know a large number of billionaires and millionaires living here we have some of the most profitable multinational corporations here and what we've seen in the last several decades is a steady erosion of social services and all that money going to hundred x exemptions to big corporations even reversing just dos will bring in six point five billion do dollars annually which is more than enough to reverse all these big gods that we've seen recently and there will be some left over to fund education everyone what a genuine working class grassroots campaign looks like what does a genuine working class candidate looks like look like and you know we're we're also running as we are inspired by the  b spring the wisconsin uprising and occupy movement i personally and socialist i don't have nationally has been very closely involved in the occupy movement you know i was part of occupy seattle from day one and occupy really change the dialogue you know three years ago i can remember people in america actually using the word class the world capitalism or the word socialism but now that's all on the agenda people are angry about the bailout people are asking how is it that you know i'm working so hard endlessly and i get so little and my children are going to see a war standard judy and dire state to the end our nation and you know we have to face it this is an election year millions of people those who sympathize with his message but are not part of the movement are going to be tuned to the elections and nobody to represent us and running because we won we want to you know show that you know this is high time it's high time enough enough of this you know enough of this insanity where we are getting the shaft over and over again down the length of this state and this country and we want this to sow the seeds of a genuine mass working class party in the united states so you're running against jimmy peterson in the forty third on the  first position there he's pretty popular candidate at least and in that district what votes would you have done differently that he cast well it's true that peterson is popular for his advocacy of marriage equality on how much they're affected by homelessness poverty workplace oppression and workplace discrimination child abuse you know and other other you know heart are fine things that they go through but in order to  actually address those problems you have to take on the economic debate of this state and in order to do that you have to take on the facts that this state is not being run in the interest of ordinary people and should be community included so  we are strong supporters of marriage equality we were also and i personally was involved in the leadership of you know the rally that was conducted in two thousand and nine in solidarity with a nationally quality march and by the way the nationally quality march happened that you know you asked me what would i do different if you look at jamie peterson's voting record on budget cuts it's almost an darley and i worker and i labor and i working class  he has voted for mandatory for lows for state employees that is something that is affect directly affecting many of my colleagues in the community college system he has voted to penalize early retirement so that's something that affects  people who do physically demanding labor like you know bus drivers ed but drove he also recently voted to brutally attacked workers comp which is you know the existing worker's comp system gave very very minimal very you know b are not running against any one person per se but jimmy peterson and frank job you know as individuals and as members of the democratic party represent the democratic party agenda so we're running are you know in school are students who find it very hard to pay for school but they don't find jobs out there i don't you know they are they're facing you know a double double whammy there and so we are calling for a massive green jobs program because we want to address the lack of jobs and also the most urgent and my mental questions as well we want full funding for public education and for the basic health program which provides just a very minimal health care for people but we're also calling for single payer health care state wide we want full fledged full funding for public transit and we want state investment in you know better quality public stranded in especially mass directly or indirectly victimized by police brutality and the seattle police department is just notorious for the kind of brutality that unleashes in many ways on people of color on immigrant immigrants on also i mean occupy was also you know shown the reality of where the police you know police force and the police force takes its orders from mayor mcginn who you know on paper may not be democrat or republican but he's clearly aligned with the democratic establishment of the city and the state and takes its orders from from from again and and look at the look at the way they have unleashed a depression and occupy activists i mean they're you know on docked to over two thousand people yet to meet a person who strongly disagrees with what we're talking about because what we're talking about is rational and something that most ordinary people want you know people want funding for education people are dying of the cuts to education i mean look at my district itself to what is our district the district includes two of the most important state institutions the adult central community college and the university of washington in seattle and these two institutions have seen some of the most egre to their funding and between two thousand and eight and two thousand and thirty nine the university of washington is you know said to see over seventy percent increase in tuition and mean that's outrageous who who exactly in this day do they think is going to be able to pay this kind of for progressives to vote for the democrats year after year after year is basically you know it's like insanity i mean you know alcoholics anonymous says what is the definition of insanity it's like engaging in the same behavior over and over again and expecting a different result that's that exactly what it is what the democrats is like because we know for decades you know what they have done they have every step of the way they have paid lip service to what ordinary people want what obviously you know we're socialist we're completely against the you know plate and dry doing tea party type of agenda that the republican party has but what we're telling people is that look if we want to fight the right and if you want to end this insanity th items on your platform is a minimum wage of fifteen dollars are correct that's right and one of the commenters there's multiple articles up on your website from i believe capitol hill news talking about your campaign one of the commenters and i think it was a couple commoners there said well fifteen dollar minimum wage will just drive small businesses out of the state what's your response to that well first of all just from economic research i can tell you that that's not actually  minimum wage increase drives out businesses that's not entirely conclusive but there is a grain of truth in that yes it is true not only that you know law minimum wage is something that is obviously preferred by big business it's also true that  precisely because the the state of washington has the most regressive tax system in the end our nation i mean think about it we're supposed to be a liberal state we don't have a tax i mean we have some taxes on the world in corporations but very very very  taxes i mean that that hits low income and poor people you know in a in a very big way low income people end up paying effectively seventy nine point nine percent of their income on taxes you know to us the us tax whereas the super rich pay less than three percent of their income so this is doubly ridiculous but in response to this question of you know want one one corporations leave the state i mean i would say that first of all you know i'd like to give an example in a democracy for the state government to do when you know the waters have spoken so to say you know the governor the democratic governor at that time gary locke said you know it's too bad you want this but we don't have the money to fund point two billion dollars to boeing because you know while they would leave the state and that was a diamond you know they were going to build a dreamliner plant and you know we were he was doing that in the name of protecting jobs do you know how many jobs it was going to create maybe i mean you know we should check exact numbers but probably a few maybe maybe eight hundred thousand jobs but in that same period you know in that period of those three or four yo swallowing got more than ten thousand jobs so one thing i would i would mention you know i would say you know in some ways that you know we need to go and look at actually how many jobs are being created but furthermore i would you know as a socialist i would go well beyond that and i would say that you know as long as we accept the agenda capitalism this will be a race to the bottom you know we what are we saying they're saying that all we have to compete for garbage corporations and their jobs so we have to create the most favorable environment for them which means what point for all this there is none and that is the problem with capitalism if every state in the united states is going to compete on the basis of capitalism by accepting the logic of the system then yes this will be a never ending race to the bottom instead what we need to say is that no we refuse to accept this agenda we need for society to work for the ninety nine percent not in the interests of the super wealthy and the big corporations but what we need is full funding for all our basic needs  need good quality housing good quality health care good quality education a safe in my meant libraries funding for elderly and disabled care we need all this not because they are luxuries but because that's what human society should look like and don't come  enough resources because there's more than enough money what we need is a political wars in washington in olympia and in washington d c which will you know strenuously argue in favor of these issues and if one does not like it you know you know the factories and equipment belong to the state of washington to the people of the state of washington so they stay here the workers who work in boeing are right here in the state of washington if boeing executives don't like it they can leave if they want to but i can tell you it's not that five hundred bags exemptions you know they're doing humors to name right now but you know they're all listed in different websites and i would actually recommend a particular web site for people to go to you know washington budget and policy priorities and economic opportunity and to do which are fantastic groups of people who are doing a lot of this work and they have in fact if you go to e on line and argue you have a whole list of options that you can you can you can do in order to  actually restructure the tax system but closing the loopholes would be the very first thing we should be doing and then we should be you know people say we need income tax i actually wouldn't say that we what i what i would say is we need a tax on the wealthy not tax on the income and the wealth of the wealthy but i don't want tax income tax on ordinary people they're paying enough taxes as it is you know we're being too much actually we need to eliminate the sales tax and we need  happening is that it makes it very easy for big corporations to evade the dax's but it places most of the burden on on small businesses i don't support that so you know we need to restructure that so that is also a progressive tax meaning that the got you know the stable source of funding that they had to begin with and so you know we are we are saying that you know that needs to be reversed as well and we need for that there used to be a progressive dags that was in place that that provided a stable funding for metro we're calling for that to come back and i would say i would i would direct your listeners to our web site www dot org and just to spell it it's v o t e the problem is that it's a political question the problem is that you don't have a political voice for these issues in olympia but the democrats and the republicans are bending over backward do you know to be  o be fulfilling the interests of big business and let's face it the interests of big business are directly in conflict with the interests of ordinary people only about two minutes left what's your response to the stranger endorsement by the stranger had a very interesting conversation with them but i also want to say that you know i disagree with their outlook i mean they're saying that they endorse peterson because they don't think he's a problem in the democratic party understand that this is not about one person or one individual this is about the democratic party's agenda and all these people who are democratic party legislators they are getting out that agenda and we have to fight that a to socialist alternative dot org which is our organization's web site you know any of these would give you further information well with that we are unfortunately out of time i want to thank you very much for coming and spending time with us this morning thank you mike i really appreciate