from vancouver canada here is that which is with john roger that which as it is presented by m s i mean the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m s i the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john roger is a bestselling author and he has been teaching in conducting seminars for many years this seminars and titled moving from issues to peace right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement if you know what words end and i n g are always doing words you get the suffixes and you know what those are you can pick apart most any word and say this word means and to do that people think you know the language where if you just know the suffix there's almost the come from they come from latin so they're almost like this or something so they wave their hand like dennet well that's that that's you and they go oh me it's funny up here and then the back equal broken or is broken another word well it comes from being broken there's nobody there to help nobody to help me i'm a victim yeah these are all selective emotional impact words this one right here i'll just start john the support you can win both this equal spoils  let me explain it to you i didn't get what i want i want something and i didn't get it and i really feel bad and that makes me a failure but when it in ever decide you never set here what would be successful now probably if you got your way on everything all the time you'd be a bigger failure because i'd just be bigger spoiled they're beginning this why don't we like authority figures they seem to get everything they want and so they seem to be spoiled and untouchable and unapproachable and so therefore i can't grow them to get help and that right down here a is a help thing nobody help me if nobody helps me i'm a failure and i'm abandoned there's the fallacy the thinking is you've always got you no matter what else you yeah we do because overcoming the temptation is the experience of growth and we're to be co creators some other place in all the universes as part of  really say this is the you said that's bad i got bad habit when i started out and i've kept doing it until it becomes a habitual retainer ritual routine neurologically picked up as a habit and then keep being reproduced automatically probably to the autonomic nervous system that would just keep reproducing the thing without any anyway like i don't know how this stays here it just seems to stay in b and b but it had to somehow wonder why well i tell you why because sometimes in their mind they saw in their vision sexuality in the process of masturbation and those things got tied together and so this is why a phallic symbol like you look at something else and see a phallic symbol because it's reversing back out into the world so everything's a sex object these are usually sexually addicted people they have to break the visual represent so you saying in the motions broken emotionally let's put that in there because that certainly could be where most people place their debate in distrust whether you broke my heart or not and i distrust you that you might do it again but i don't i i personally don't think it's that all by itself i think is a bigger one i think defective would be more appropriately put under a victim i'm a victim because none of the some defective because some happen to me i'm a defective person the being i one now soon get even i want to be for i want to be fixed and you know they will fix me will be money because it's fixing the emotional quality inside me because defective is not not clear it's not perfect because we're not going to do and that was not good or excellent it's now it's like a position of downward looking up and it's going always be unattainable but the level you're on may be very high to start with so looking up might just be like looking in to god that your next step which is going to be a real big one and the look down is i've come through forty five steps to get to this one here in the next step is forty seven and this is forty six and  relatively speaking you can't sue because you're more good and excellent than anybody else around but in the relative sense of where you are what you can have now and this will use it come to verbal abuse so things are broken in the motion the other than like leg breaking physiologically that happening to your body and i think we're going to find in the motion in them in the mind and the mind part of that from what i've experienced at the same mind is well i thought and then you say what you thought boy you're not saying this because i thought it it's true therefore if it's true then i am i am broken and i'm really hurt emotionally and i remember when they said no you start to build your for philosophical case to support this type of thing that took place where you thought it and you got it and i tell people i said well just because you thought it doesn't mean it's true it just means you thought it so if i take this and i just do that what can we really think is not to be too many choices of thought with this are there two pieces there is got that and if i put was one of the first few words that came out of him like my main issue is insists that issue i knew that i knew the answer to everything else that you were going to say because what's the next thing after issue process so what happens here is move from move from being the victim all this into the process of what this is what i did was put it on a piece of paper to give you an idea of how you can find it and start to move on and see if you see what i'm moving from issue to process you know ballot is not information to blow you kno those nothing comes out you don't get it so giving half the information is really a robbing you i mean robbing you hold them up on what your wallet of finding the what this other thing out here is that you would like to take place and what you'd like to take place is do they have all of this just disappear so never pushed on in the first place or have all of this come to this that you're after and find it and you have that and all of this fits together sort of like at this though they are separate and come together and they will work and so we go from issue to process to issue the process to initiate a process which for a lot of people is in between issues and  algae on water and it's not holding either it's moving it just got to sit there for a long time before you catch any movement and if you want movement the best thing to do is to get in process with the algae and what's that called cleaner by yourself and clean the stuff out and you're in process with that process is can be difficult and hard work and sweat a ball because you are now going to clear it by yourself preferably that's what i would want because if somebody else does it and i don't know how they cleared it the next time the algae appears i got payment again so i got peace with the algae but i got a process for paying this guy so much money so when i come to peace i don't want the peace to all sudden move into something else i want to be a harmonious situation wherein i clean the algae or i get somebody else to clean it now comes the value statement of that how much do i value the cleanliness of the water versus the algae in it it's a value statement why my statement towards value is when people talk about values things of value to me only if i can use them and then they know that they're not valuable to me they become grodd sell so i'm like trade them offer something that is more  the the idea of something that is that is valuable is its function ability usefulness that makes sense to people you look at the things you house and one of the most valuable to you how many you have refrigerators newhouse how many of you would be willing to just give those up because they're useless but how much do you use them you don't use them may be usable as open the door and taking stuff out until messy usability of that for you that your value but in in it is an inherent value of sustaining the inherent value but without electricity the then it's useless to you it becomes old decrepit unusable not usable nonfunctional and you know why dysfunctional families can get along and not  know their dysfunctional there's no discernable difference in their dysfunction or somebody else's because you've all grown up being used to each other and accommodating the the disvalue of the dysfunction as having a value this is my family this is where i live this is where i stay this is valuable to me it's my family your blood to me i like a man i go get outta my way i may be dysfunctional but i don't fit in there not for too long why my family is they've got just one or two words i use real well one is gimme gimme gimme this and the other one is a sentence while you're up would you get for me and then i'll sit and wait for somebody to get up to go do something else say on your way back would you bring someone or thank you my mother saving her little daughter her baby she went and got whatever was my dad wanted and brought it back to them and she said yeah to find out where she's gone before you ask her what's she going to do coming back she may have been the only one there wasn't dysfunctional because she had the wit to know these other things could possibly take place and had taken them into account in the usability they're not valuable i d otherwise known as a packrat and see one guy one person's garage sells another person's antiques and so law becomes just dictionary definitions well that's not junk that's valuable to me it reminds me a like all these pictures around here they'd be sold within thirty minutes after i moved in some place quiet because the only value is to go over and stand there looking tombs see if you can see what they are and who's got all the time to do that and especially if your eyes are a little out of kilter because blood sugar gas is turning on you don't know really it's just your eyes are not as clear and sharp and your brain doesn't really get to perceive it won't move why put th ability to see it knowing it knowing that god is there doesn't you're not not give you the ability to see it in i think we're all saying seeing is believing in seeing is above all and let me see and the said to all you wicked people who are looking for signs of the times you're going to hell well maybe jesus is hell be pretty nice place because he always did pretty good things so i've never been fraid of that one but i might be afraid of and their thing seems busy and i don't think any of us really like to participate in that and so i just took out a by that definition i took out the word free will and you must choose what the choices are available but if you look at that because we're choosing the choices that are available why aren't there more choices available because man gave god gave you some free will to make some free choice and you keep choosing the same route in the same rut over and over and over and the difference between a rut and a grave is just the set to be sure if you get out of a rut you're still ok and the health professionals are of the impression that you're in a rut and we can get you out or they would not be in that profession as is so people don't go in there so we're looking for some sort of warranty or guarantee that if we do these certain things this will appear but it's in the unknown very few people on the planet  know what pieces as a value they know what pieces as magination will quality you know so the sylvian fields with deer over there in a stream of water and fresh air and little breeze the temperature is just that utopia west of peace and there can't be topi on the changing planet because utopia is not changing it's just self reproducing itself so we're in utopia right says one thing i didn't put up there and didn't mention which is the most valuable valuable to the probably number one but i didn't put it up there it's almost like a good st you do this this no sudden you can stop that and then when you do it all this is like oh oh now that makes perfect sense where before i had no sense at all to well if there was an easy road in the piece you would have to do process it and you go see archimedes approach when the water when the tub displaced you go there you're rican runs down the street naked see today last night today was unknown today is now known to miles not known the next day from that is unknown fifteen years ago you never saw this room here with all you people here was unknown so the god it's unknown today can be known tomorrow depending upon how you've defined and i'm talking about known in terms of i know this in my hand can the statically you gotta be willing to let go of something that's not working and it will be the thing you do not want to let go of or you would have let go of it and at that moment obi when you leave you'd rather have you'd rather conquer and have peace to control and power than to let go and have conquered to harmony and balance have peace to harmony and balance mean here in a close personal relationship including marriage ok so now there's a sort of fit the times one of you let's just say you will and then if you're woman that means you will the men if your man it means you will the woman that you will fight with them because of your own personal irritation because you don't personally or taishan you will fight with them you may not yell and scream but any inside of you you're in it you're in issue and there's against this and you point out the against this if you would have only taken out the garbage before you left the cockroaches when the got in there then i would have stepped on it later on in the child would not have eaten and put them out well cockroaches must be great great food because they've been around for billions of years i mean something that's self sustaining is gonna have some sort of natural value but no thank you doesn't have a taste value nor a visual value of doing that but babies don't have visual values to put anything in their mouth if you will go that's probably their value limit is that they can't get it in their and if they can you know by by  and live when you talk about kids being heard or something what is one the first things will come to your mind if you hear the kid doing something what do you suspect a bet you're going to come up thing greg and say that the kids choking on some and was the first thing you do when you run the see what they're doing are they breathing or they're choking are they coughing what are they got a mouth so you know th ambulance a by the way if you want to get into a hospital emergency room if you walk in you sit at the end of the line so if you've got an emergency do not walk into emergency room parked your four blocks away and have ambulance pick you up and drive you and because emergency the victims get first immediate attention to a doctor now that will be abused by those who say oh i don't want to sit two hours there i'll get an ambulance being out there in twenty minutes the thing being another twenty minutes they can sit there for four hours because they really don't have an emergency they have an urgency of getting out your next time you're around merges he rooms look at who gets to go in first and be here work emergency rooms and hospitals we could have gotten the media validation well you gotta do what some good television where they're doing it and you'll find out that i never knew about it took me sixty years to find out that but i had to be the victim of sitting waiting with an emergency and so i asked how would i have gotten here sooner this coming in an ambulance i was too sick for the time to take that really into consideration but later on when i felt better i thought it through then i asked the question is that because better then they said yes a lot we don't do this you can sue us now them the other thing hit my mind how can i get into a hospital having to get me into the mergence a room and then put me at the end of the line so i have a legitimate lawsuit why because people think that way you have to think that way to understand what might happen what it does is it brings your process up and you get to see how things are working and you come to peace with something knowing that's like that for a reason and it's ok allows peace to appear as soon as you know where is peace residing them you make it ok in the peace appears what's the other thing up there that we need you need a real good strong i and then whatever happens here fits but there has been i den if occasion of self in relationship to disturbance meind i will not let that disturb me that will be disturbing but not to me because i will see it as disturbing a look up the room to go these people could be disturbing but not to me because i'm not in that i'm i came up here with a very strong i am going to deal with issues and process that's what i came up here with so anything it's not in there i just look at it as not being on course for me not having a goal the strong i can work against you i just don't believe that and i'll believe you do you really honest to god don't believe me or you just saying you don't have enough information to validate me most times i don't have enough information to validate you and how my validated what would validate me for you for anybody give to you that my usability to you my value to you my validation to use too so there's no quality of values on it except what we put on ourselves if we all agreed to in australia drive on the other side the road than you do in canada in the united states and england the other sign and it has value it's valid to them when they just was a long ago happen if people drive on the wrong side of the road but you see the really driving on the right side of the road and we're on the left side of the road so you can't make them wrong when they're already right but the usability of it is often decided by the majority so bad habits would be the thing here that you might not want to deal with what's a good habit driving down the road and so busy thinking about the nice things that are going to happen you miss your turn opposite is that a good habit you think them nice good things so i think we'll all agree the goodness of it is the usability of it if i'm thinking nice good things and i make my turn often i get there and it's nice and good and then it was good to have but if you miss it and you keep missing the next one the next one the one once for a second you look out of your inner self and you see the sign you go with that then not only do you go where is that you go where my most people panic slam on the brakes want to stop on the freeway and look to see where things are that stupid drive to where there's a sign get off and then stop and look because at least you got some signs to keep referencing you see the worst thing about being lost is start making up your own mind about where things are and you make up things little panic yourself and these people have anxiety attacks or doing something like that a secure by mind and secured by mental thought in a secure by the thoughts you hold and the thoughts you hold if they're not always in harmony with the beingness in the going this who you are here and where you're going and it's always based on incompletions and you know incompletions always based upon the thought the thinking process i got too much to do or do that later but you only got too much to do because you put too much to do in your mind and you couldn't do it all maybe their fifty years old never had a morsel upset in their life and now they can't leave the house because agra phobia him at the same time we're paris and we were at the eiffel tower and i had to give a seminar that night in paris and i was running over my french which was just looking at words and said sort of a thing as exit so wasn't too much i had to do right up at the top of the tower i turned around to to go down to go and be in time a no way could i walk into that crowd of two hundred people standing in front of elevators that were very slow these are all perceptions and the smell not be real they may have been very very fast elevators why the wide eyes to let more light in to see what's really going on you're really trying to see what's going on over eyes of fright they're also eyes wanting to see to get out of it so when you see that yes a person what do you need to get out of this and their eyes really start to come down they start to move towards peace usually when the persons have an anxiety attack the bursting fringes get all the way or they'll knock you over and they're running you're big enough that you can like put them down and hold them but that's the worst thing because now you just bury them alive they don't know if they'll be able to breathe they see what the mind is doing what you hold their mind is where the piece is going to come or go so we say choose your thoughts carefully because they may be yours move around the room you'll be thinking about something and i'll start to talk about it and then i'll jump over to something else and that somebody else will just start thinking about that and get the stirred i'm talking about or you'll be sitting there in a thought comes to your mind you turned your friend to talk to him and they just stop the same thing now anatomically we're not knowing to be sending stations just receiver stations we received gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme one channel and receive on another in intellect tronics hear voice a telephone communication systems on a communication system let's say there's positive negative news in your information out on the negative in the the other information comes back in on the positive and they cross each other on the line and if they don't cross they cross over in your bleeds over in you hear other people talking on your circuits inside the brain if you do the same thing you hear in a voice in your head crossing over on the circuit now you're hearing voices as do the following the voice of intuition which is a clear channel and if we get the voice of clear communication pieces present and if we get it crossing over then we have confusion and we start the argument of the mind with the voice that just cross linked i have to just say in your mind hang up your phone heard was you asking me if i heard voices his set was the my hearing voices in my mind that doesn't seem to be related to me but he never said that i just said do you hear voices so he was caught by his own program and then the asked me do i hear voices in my mind that have nothing do with me and i said yeah i think so he said what do you do with them i said i have anything to do the math as they are they have no connection to me so if you don't follow a voice that's connected to a direction you'll be ok with their voices move or hugging the side screen would be pretty good today on this hot day you've got enough evidence of your body process to tell you that's the way you're going to solve it run a cold or you're gonna go oh this a little too chilly i think i'll go back and get a jacket right was a voice in the voice of experience and sometimes a sound like talking which is different than voices  to put talking and voices on the same thing when i said voices you thought you put talking on how me know what i just asked how many don't know what i just asked the rest of you are sure that i'm talking i'm here you know it does that matter i don't have to worry about that already know what i already got a swing good so if you don't want that's fine i'm doing just great with them so it's very simple if you do i am going for peace in the matter what comes up in the meantime process issue you see that's just scenery on the way to god none the way to god any kind of scenery are to be just absolutely gorgeous we're not born and just state a certain level we continue to keep growing and when we're getting what we want we expand and we ask good and when we don't we contract and we tighten in or evil so we know by that by our nature instinctively that we are open to receive that that's where greed comes sitting in is one of the tempters the tends to see the movie out or slow you down and if you've got the goal wrong place has probably got greed tensed around it so you use it to your advantage but you don't make it a format like not one of the steps of your life would greed be really good if you're sitting on a conveyor belt in south africa and one the gold mines along comes gold chunks piece of gold chunks greed would be necessary say get all the gold chunks you can get correct greed means you put your arm across a conveyor belt and everything that comes by comes into you nothing goes past that's real greed so you have to look at what is the use of it to other people get how committed to i'm taking this to my tribe back in the interim lands and there's ten thousand of us and we're very poor in this and by water and food and for the babies and you know all sudden you're a hero we only have freedom respect and honor towards that that is usable just i have to take a look at and if you do have it and it's a noble goal you're in peace and peace does not mean no conflict because somebody else on peace comes you magic path and actually is did of crossing over and keep going you blend of them because you thought you were meant to be soulmates here at this point in show up again in the lifetime or existence but then so will everybody so when you come together in that locks on you you're going to find you're going to have the conflict and then let the results of the conflict rise for a solution because you're on the same line already they could've matched the so each one has you how you let that arise each one stops and the other person talks and you listen don't try to change any points of view with them then they stop in the next one you know most of us don't think we've ever really been heard black because people didn't do what we wanted to on the selfish side of hearing hey it is don't hear me you not do what i want i heard you and i don't want to do what you want and that but then the sea is the issues come up come up come up they finally boil down to one or two things mine and yours that's one and two are one and two and we either solve it or we dissolve it but it should be done with we can't work together because we're still going in different directions and that's using why i refer to inside me as the color of the soul and to souls calling you on to some for or dained not predestination before again path and you know if it's you know if it's for danger you can't get off it in the end if that's that it's called karma i'd never stand on train tracks close my eyes of say i don't leave the train on these tracks i would get off the track blindfold and say my there's no train on the tracks because of there isn't going to hurt me in it and if there's not it isn't going to hurt me but i never get on the edge of a pool and people say the sharks in the pool and i'm on the diving board and i hear creek and i'm seeing those no sharks and pull my see a strange shadow in the water you see me walk on the air let alone walk on water beliefs are superseded by personal experience then you no longer believe that you know it how many of you believe you're breathing of you know you're breathing through the whole difference but we have used belief in the process of knowing and trance did not they are very separate you have to believe when you don't know when you know are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the 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