very very much to conversations and to manhattan thank you very much i'm excited about being here it's good we've had and believe he had a conversation with you and just recently in the past we had won some years ago yes and you've been following telecommunications over your long career along with a lot of other things you've been following as far as the development of human society but i want to maybe you could just for the general audience as you share with your own background as you said you came out of texas and when he got up here to new york you had the ground running if i remember i speak next week at the university of california san diego and the same week at stanford and i talk to young people about sacrifice i talk about the need to persevere i talk about not being afraid and not if you're in business is how it evolved and your grew into that family roots the mandriva family you know one of the things i'm going to mention next week and talking about it you know first to california is this discussion there about affirmative action i'm going to say that i had affirmative action but it came only from my family that's when they threw me access to opportunity but that did not make me happy because it only came from my family that i had these other rejections for example i wanted to be a pilot us and oversight over flying me and saturn to your tax was walking in harlem and then i just had to go down to forty second street times square run and run i've been looking for a wife of twenty three years of age and i wanted someone to be just like my mother my thought my mother pressured to a very severe in their discipline and so that night i was able to walk along the street holding her hand and she let me hold her and that was on july thirty first nine hundred forty three on november the fifth nineteen forty three i married a wonderful average here and now we've been married we were divorced wants four year really i married someone else and then we divorced second why i divorced i have a daughter i have a son through my first marriage intelligence but he went to a different place and i went first to italy by work with british intelligence he went to britain to work with british intelligence and he worked as a tail gunner for  being really abuse very badly abused one day down in florida and he walked up to me that's how i met him i did not know him and he walked and i had this tag on me and he walked at me he said mr sutton called everybody mister you know that was a lot of fun and it's a testament to the fact that you were able to persevere through a lot of that school at nine o'clock nine thirty ought to law school and i did that for four years and weekend and that's when you work forty eight hour weeks forty eight hours a week and then on friday and saturday and sunday i worked as a wa operation that dealt with communications i always my father was a great communicator spoke well corrected all of us every day each one of us had a word to learn and then at the end of the week we had to be up to remember all work in one of the family business and when i came along i was required to work and my two brothers and sisters older than i am were required to work and all of the business i was in required that was sort of easily carried in a certain sense because there was a sense of camaraderie amon putting being put on the stool by my sisters who didn't like washing dishes and to this day i like to wash dishes and what they saying was a little song wash them well wash them well if you wash that nicely if you do the nice do a book review see how many chapters they are in the book and you enjoy i guess you are intellectually curious from the get go and that you're yes well i was in elected curious because it was imposed upon me my father and made prince right right right right but all of this communication that i mentioned was really at the direction of my father who was always writing hul always when we were in school invited persons of intellect to come to the school to but all of those things going to jail was something again structured by my prior no not my parents as much as my older brother and sister that's what i want always in rebellion of the civil rights thing beginning to happen all by god was it in the school system where this separate school system various departments that taught black people or colored people the negro whatever we were at that time how to the skills they were not being students put together a string of am radio station because the future of am radio is to to digitize that's coming and that's coming and so i'm going to buy some it if i bought an f m radio station in a major city it would cost me fifty did twenty five to fifty million dollars and i think that's a bad expenditure even if i could had it in my pocket and didn't have to borrow some of it and stead i'm going to buy it for four million dollars to ten million dollars twenty radio stations in various parts of the company that i am i'm going to start off with new lives and talk directed primarily toward the black and latino community it's going to be educational because one of the biggest things i think  the detriment to the development of minorities is an absence of access to quality focused education and i think that's probably true on a world scale  didn't think through is just sociologically that if you're in a situation where you're like that rather than some born to the silver foot in your mouth as you  you were born in that where there is a certain kind of tension that you're fighting against in a certain sense a says it might get a little bit of the true grit i know that i mean i think i might might not i say it in no you don't say i want to i don't understand very well i don't think i and the days when there was not there were not integrated opportunities of access line that was you knew that obstacle was there you knew that nobody's going to help you find so you develop your world begins to become a global village in obvious terms i mean we have a lot of ethnic differences to get over on your world scale and so these are the lessons to be learned but there's a certain sort of strength that can come out of that if you're fighting something up against and you have been i know you want  sandy cloud who is the national president the executive director or president of the national conference of christian jews who we want together twenty one people from around the country to review meeting that we had on november fifteenth of last year  that meeting dealt with how we can bring people together we can't come together on everything right that always difference a right but those things we can find a common denominator and you know and we met there and we had where you could be hearing something about that  a coalition of people who came out of that but he gave it to be making some representations to the to the public nation of a soon with regard to how we might deal with some of the racism that is black racism white racism a shame in a certain sense that it isn't because there are so many uniting possibilities many of which are the media themselves they have an offer they have an opportunity to bring about a qualitative change and we live in a time where there are qualitative opportunities that would have been hard to imagine when you and i were in a certain sense young and growing up it's exchanging so fast and a good deal of that is communication and extended consciousness which technology and communication is needed yes and if people will talk to each other  lives and you were on the front you were you were involved in that in that civil rights movement all along that you were developing a very lustrous career getting the highest levels of education and capability in terms of being able to cope with the society yes only very very important offices you to come up against it are you going to take any chances you're going to find some of your sort of thing to do we if you've got committed to certain kinds of values which you had with the civil rights values and of these these other kinds of values over this career but you were you were able to do these you were able to make these successful breakthroughs as well to the point where you and i can sit and talk we're living in a time of a major kind of run aside now i want to come before we get off that civil rights and disturbance so much a part of the american experience you were attorney i came out of the atmosphere where my father mother would dot com is but competition came to my family after talk to the civil rights movement you know the only people who could help us would help us or seem to care seem to care oldest brother and he's now living in san antonio texas and show you what prejudice is like my my nephew my insistence and what they help with charlie rangle became an american citizen was brought to live with his russian wife and san antonio texas with a direction youngster said one day to me that i put him in one of my houses which is in at the edge of a black and white community there he said to my one of my assistants at the radio station down there  x and i asked you earlier when we talked before the other time you must have been a little bit difficult and maybe you can draw the distinction as i told my father had been a journey as well and he used to talk of the law and so forth and much to say we perhaps your father did but in any event  time offering myself to debate in a bite on the issue in the issue of civil rights economics anything because i knew that was a way to i was going to own a radio station here in new york you had that and you had that in mind but you were also very involved in the civil rights yes and i  meeting and washington d c their photographs of me introducing him to a variety of people but when malcolm x left the movement and went away to africa he made your home made it high that is a visit to saudi arabia and to the temple if you will and when he came back we knew he wasn't going back into the black muslim of the congressman makes makes a big mistake they might i don't know if they're going to get him on c span and but he's fired up i don't want to you can make a comparison between the two and also if you could comment on whether or not what's going to happen with this congress calling up m one minister malcolm was they had the membership was much larger more interesting and it took a people more dedicated because it took more guts to be a member then that it does now that's interesting given that already the i was there at the marches might affect the interesting reason i went there is talk of the million many men why i didn't want the march to fail right and it because i saw him but what is so interesting is the not i've been to all of the major civil rights yesterday and because i saw nothing on the street we were publicising on our radio station the march was going to occur we felt it was a good thing to have happened we thought a bonding could occur between people who believed in fact and people who didn't everywhere and nothing but black people get a priest me so much it was a major event and what impressed me so much was not what mr farakka and may have had to say oh any other speak i had to say but to see all of this these black man these black tino men that i have been unable when jesse jackson was running and i was raising it was it chairman of his finance committee and represent him in raising money for his campaign to ninety eight or forty eight people wouldn't give me any money they said oh we can't do anything then they were a c span one c span two and if you watch if you watch this thing on on satellite you did see this c span different stages and if you travel you see bit bigger than life yes and brian's perseverance and the cable industry has to be there and there should be c span one two three four five six seven eight nine that should be a lot identify digression i when you were talking and that might go a long way and they've done that when there should be more and you're interested in that and maybe you know there's so much we could talk about but you're also interested in communications you've been this advocate you've been an attorney you've been in that position which in a certain sense has made it possible for you to bridge a lot of gaps as well as the times when you were serving with direct political power as well as you were presidents or what but also the media the media has an opportunity to serve a a mediating role or a place where important discussions can be held and you and i were talking last time about this incredible series at the time just came out with on the downsizing and in a certain sense that's a larger theme that there are x to stand surely there are things going on in terms of the human condition that are beginning to get hard to understand and to rationalize or to bring understanding to by our normal state of understand and that we really ought to have a or a large dialogue on what's going on between the human family and this incredible locomotive of technological transformation digital technological transformation one large part of which is these communications capability and as you've indicated to me you're also got an interest now in terms developing some some development multimedia capability which is staggering yes and also some developments in africa so the multimedia saying these things are all maybe some of the things to either that three things that i'm working on now those things are a mobile satellite telephone system for our africa that has a footprint by footprint i mean it has a coverage north and south africa and the middle east's and hooks into turkey and other nations in that area greece turkey et and young people they came to me young people were involved in putting the satellite in the sky over from hong kong that we read all about the chinese and all of the little dishes that a phone throughout china and that a an effort to win the p c s peace push the communication services and now being bit upon by that through the f c c it had a communications commission and that is to bid to have the right to what you ma harlem a pot south bronx and a part of harlem yes and i want to see by the year two thousand and one i want to be alive then yes i want to i want to see a minimum of ten thousand people  being trained as computer operators and programmers because without that training you're going to have so many deaths in this society without access to the internet but knowledge of computer usage you would have to be absent a quality education because much of the education will come in the form of the use of computers the computers are now head executive director of the private industry council he had just recently having taken that job on she developed a a methodology and into active touch screen method of teaching illiterates  we've taught people to read and write we have not yet found how to make money from it this is going to be one of the problems isn't it with a lot of these technologies that we have and we're confronting what do you think is right the internet people say oh great on the internet but nobody's making money information environment and everything and that we're becoming into a new kind of enron i wonder if you want to take a minute to comment on the series that the times just saw fit to come up with where they've you know the downsizing series and here are they saying that in a certain sense when you start weighing it out there's a lot of discussion going on that we're finally maybe in a happy state of catching up with ourselves to where the technological development is coming so quickly now that it's ushering in an that in a certain sense is transcending some of the scarcity laden major problems that have plagued mankind over the years we have a tremendous capability but the human component the human labor input to that productive process that involves robots and other kinds of  can be tremendously productive but the system of distribution with the ownership being so narrowly held and with other kinds of problems is one that we have a major problem that the provisional political dialogue does not address and he says this is a subject that should be are victims try to wonder what it would be like for yourself if you are now fifty years of age you've got a mortgage on the house that i had not because just moved to be away from the city as you moved to the suburbs got a mortgage  house youngsters in college and they tell you that they're downsizing or they are merging with another cooperation and they don't need you anymore that's for our bottom and the structural in the long term that's right and suppose you were taught like i was taught back in the forty's forty six forty seven forty eight up at columbia university that when new technologies come about don't worry about it because a rod you may be displaced as a person you will become retrain you'll get retrained and you'll build the robots and you do other things that will take the place of with that's not true and i don't think that's true and i don't think that's that's because it was common knowledge that we were taught that yeah but that's not true that's not proving true because these people who are being down these companies are downsizing and where they of the cop rationing crew says so the shareholders get more money but the people working there get nothing and they're out distance by technology issue as and what is very interesting is that in this political campaign the presidential campaign it with the republican party the primary a man called buchanan a man that is over this nation and there are one hundred forty thousand people they settle just for the unemployed at yes and how did that happen it happened because the general motors had decided we don't want to pay this money we want to be able move said no we're selling cars elsewhere no that's a long term promise through three years to talk to mr ford and others wilson and others in saying that there if you if you're going to get rid of your market you're not going to have the demand to be able to buy that which you're full able to produce and that's a problem i know i've mentioned to you the the aesop that begin to start there is a movement we can do to spread some ownership yes because the ownership of the robots is very narrowly held maybe there could be something to be said for that but that there needs to be a dialogue do you  professor talking about we had to now america right where to now the world as a whole this displacement takes place how can we structure in this new global village this new world society how can we s more equitable distribution of the benefits of this size and the well yes yes and the well i mean if i may if i may run again out of time i'm sorry i don't ready ready and i may say if there's somebody who has contributed mightily in terms right from the time when he was talking to that corn crop out innocent access and has contributed mightily to that dialogue and i'm going way is that we might be able to help in terms of being able to expand that dialogue out into the general society and maybe through your advocacy as a and attorney and a person that you've been able to do and also in your media your appreciation of the media that's an issue that ought to be discussed and i certainly thank you very very much for taking the time to come in here on access cable television to begin part of that broadcasting former president broke man and happy to greet those perceptions when conversation if i had to come back again next week if sons months again thank you very much for all you've done over the years in particular just thank you very much that most enjoyable it has what is enjoyable