wife angela but notice they are owners business owner long time business owners and you will be excited to hear how science  next and you know what angela you know we talked about in the previous program we were talking about science and how where god fits a near and how to religion and you had mentioned in a previous segment how they were connected how are they connected one of the laws of thermodynamics this is a proven law that man has proven is that everything goes from a state of order to disorder automatically doesn't take any energy input to go from order to disorder however if something isn't disorder it will never come into order any kind of water unless some kind of work or energy is applied to it and that case then it can come disorder to order so applying that creation ok the word of god tells us that there was nothing nothing that the spirit of god moved over the vastness of space and that god created all things so he created all the living things that are on the earth the created the animals he created the fish and we were told that each thing was individually made not evolution that one little cell was here only one simple cell and we can consider that disorder one simple thel and from that cell somehow without any energy being came from one cell of this organization now to say that all that happened without any energy being put into it or kind of intelligence because you could just put energy into doing you're not going to get anything but some kind of intelligence to take it from this dissipate of disorder into a state of order and organization that is that is proving that there is a god that is intelligent and actually took things from nothingness into something so to think that we just happened is against the law of entropy things do not go from disorder to higher order without anything being energy and intelligence be put into it and i think you had an analogy where someone lightning and they had i guess some sort of a new some sort of water in there as well and the water was was the vessel for creating part of the reaction they ended up making some very basic amino acids  i would say this was told me by a professor of mine when i took a course taking courses in biochemistry who said why we can do these things this is not necessarily how it occurred because we're doing controlled experiments in a laboratory and the conditions are not necessarily what they were on the earth at the time so just because we can do it doesn't mean that that's the way it occurred so that's and i would add to  talking about organized states to prove to you the third law of thermodynamics please go and mess up your room and then wait to see the room reassemble itself neatly without you doing anything  therefore that's in violate a whole law that means the law that's a law of the universe that cannot be broken so complex systems do not form on themselves they need to be made and consequently to be to stay organized they need energy an outside force acting on upon them to maintain that and your own room proves that wow or your children a is an officer besides all of the the wonderful scientific back grand he has another passion and he is an  air force auxilary civil air patrol with the current grade and then how did that come about well it started many years ago i was actually when i was just starting high school i found out about civil air patrol because i grew up in a town that was an aviation town and we we had that sports team was called the aviators the high school newspaper was called the pilot and we actually had a famous person who was an aviator those of you that are my age might know arthur godfrey who was popularized flying to hawaii but he was also he had his own t v show as well and he was a pilot and he happened to have been a graduate from my high school so i found out about civil liberties when i was a cadet for about five four and a half years and then i went to high school and put it aside for a long time in more recently my wife suggested i go back to because she saw the passion i have for flying i like to read about flying watch programs about that have an interest in the air shows and decided to rejoin civil air patrol as a senior jersey just before the start of world war two it was actually founded by a presbyterian minister gil rob wilson who was also an aviator in fact not only was he an aviator he has some influence in terms of the  history in new jersey which is another thing that people don't know how important new jersey was in the early history of aviation the united states from the nineteen twenties through believe it or not the one nine hundred sixty s and sevent things that went on in new jersey besides civil air patrol which by the way had its for the first base of civil trial was in better field in atlantic city then during just just before world war two in fact  several days before pearl harbor civil liberties old us was founded and it was called upon during during the early days of world war two to help protect the homeland flying missions off the coast off the atlantic coast looking for german submarines that were sinking american ships once japan declared war on the united states germany did just a few days later so they were sinking american vessels in the civil air patrol with their  coming close to shore to sink american ships to the point when after the war the the head of the admiral of the u boat german u boats said those damn excuse my language those damn yellow planes which is what the civil air patrol used to fly they were they had to deal with that but needless to say the civil air patrol is a is a benevolent organization today it's the official exhilarate of the united states air force we support all kinds of things we have cadet programs where we are involved with youth in giving them training leadership skills teaching them stand giving them stem programs we have aerospace education which is part of the stem program for both the cadets as well as senior members and then we do emerge services we actually have aircraft that we fly we do ground searches generally v a ssion aircraft you see them at the airport the cessna you know the small private planes the people on the go down we get called by the air force and we go out and look for that look for survivors look for the downed plane even looking for what they call e l t s which are emergency locator transmitters these are beacons that you're a transmit you're on they're also on boats if you can if you have for example a pleasure boat that's more than twenty nine footer you may be required to have one so if it's the boat has an issue and it starts sinking the that particular e l t will go off as well as aircraft the l t s one of the things that civil air patrol digit is just after nine eleven for example they were called upon to fly over the remnants of the world trade center and we were the first organization flying over  photographs assessing the situation and also during hurricane sandy when the down the shore many of the homes and the roads are washed out people are having a tough time the government called upon the civil air patrol both the state and federal government to fly missions i think we we flew a lemon thousand sorties taking tens of thousands of pictures and those pictures were made available not only to government but to the homeowners themselves so they could assess the damage and begin insurance anyone be a part of the civil air patrol if they're interested yes we're always looking for for new senior members as well as cadets provided the senior members meet the requirements which means that in you have to be accepted one of the requirements is to of course because you're working with the youth you have to pass a background check by anyone can do that we're all we besides pilots are always looking for pilots but more than just pilots we're looking for people with all kinds of skills even people who have retired from the military who want to continue volunteering and donating their time to the country and to their communities wow that's awesome a take advantage of those awesome opportunity and we wanted to ship the low bit in the direction of this plane and we know that you both are business owners and you have a you know large clientele and we really appreciate you taking a time out of your busy schedule to join us on the program on this evening but we thought it was it would behoove us or the need could say it was easy but it's not as being in business is always hard work it requires a lot of effort a lot of diligence you putting yourself out there so it takes a lot of effort  to start and stay in business you need to stay on top of things you have to learn how to manage different things you have to make sure you understand what the situations are in the business and not only if you have employees but you you need to make sure that the information you're getting from your employees is valid they understand that they understand what you're looking for in terms of the information that you're asking them to provide so that you can stay on top of things so there are all kinds of things that are necessary i wish as i said before that it would that i could say it's easy it's a lot of really a tremendous amount of hard work there are ups there are downs you have be able to deal with the ups and downs as with anything and not only us business like ours  a privately held company but you know public companies as well you know that are very large that all go through similar things and you have to be able to to handle lots of priorities simultaneously you have to be able to balance your work that one of the companies i work for for example they had a they made every manager post a saying that for president woodrow wilson talked about and that was about persistence and that the gist of that particular saying was there are many people born with silver spoons mean that they're wealthy they have they have they have inherited wealth they never make anything of themselves there are those that have such great gifts either there in terms of looks or strange story or they have their very smart and they really don't get anywhere in life because they never use what god has given them the whole object of that was yet the saying was yet there's the person tha persistence the persistent person will overcome all the difficulties that everybody has in life overcome them and succeed because they persist they don't never give up they're focused at what they want to accomplish and it's like an athlete who trains a lot of heart you may not be that the best athlete but you know practice the the expression is practice makes perfect which is very true  watched a sixty minute program when they had i forget what famous pianist and they asked him well how do you play so well he said on lot five six days a week eight hours a day when i'm not working practicing on the piano because i need to perfect my skill in art and that that is really that that kind of effort is persistence you need to persist at what you do that's the the greatest  advice i could give to someone is you need to persist you need to know matter how difficult it appears no matter how hard the circumstances you need to persist with and that is so needful you know like we really appreciate certainly there are lots of demands on your time you have demands from work of the mansour family and you have to want to fly you have to be able to balance that work and it can be difficult whether you own your own business or we're going to day as well whether you work for somebody else where lots of demands are placed on people you have a cell phone if you're working for someone they'll call you up to eight o'clock in the even me this needs to be handled now so so it's a much more complicated world so you have to have understand how to balance things it's balance in life i can't say it's it's always the best there are times when for example in our business a client will call this an emergency they need to deal with things and i want to go flying but i can't go flying because i have to deal with this nassau i have to postpone it but those are things you have to have as a way of balancing things out then there are times when i don't have to deal with it and i have time to go flying thought wow that's awesome and what steps can a person take to began if they're start now with a new business or maybe they struggling and there is so what's that's can a person take if they want to  well i would tell people you know before you start a business you want to really the advice that business schools given is to really look and see whether there's a need or a demand for what you want to do whether you want to make a product or you want to have a service for example if you decide you want to build wagon wheels i don't think there is a big demand for nowadays but you know you need to see is there a demand and as scripture says before you do anything as jesus said  need to count the cost and he gave a parable of someone building a castle and he said before the person built the castle he wanted to make sure that he had all the necessary resources and what was required to build on lot less while they were in the middle of building and they found that they didn't have everything they needed so it's important to plan things out and understand what you're getting yourself into because it business is serious it is it is it really is and he has so many people going it's a business i want to be in business struggle and but those aren't very important porton tips that ohm that people can take and take to heart because so many people want you know it you just learn how to brush it off and just move on you have to move on there are countless stories in business case studies where people have very successful people who have their big businesses today who when you ask them how did they start what happened and people will tell you they were rejected one hundred times before they found someone or two hundred times before they found  e accepting their product or service or wanting to invest in them so it's not easy in my advice i always say i found this from business experience because i've dealt with people for example in a particular business that i had people that were venture capitalists much like shark tank you see on the me they're one invests and that this is what i have observed my observation is that they appear to think that they know better but they're kno they know no better than you or i in fact the story of apple computers how many times steve jobs was rejected and then it was someone who saw there was value in invested in them but they were told of the sonne sensis not going to go anywhere and i see that with venture capitalists much like the people at shark tank my advice is if it came in the behind it was the thing that would make them billions of dollars they would be clueless and many many of them with their honest will admit to you that they've had those kind of things come to them but they couldn't see the value in it and they passed up the opportunity so the object of that is to know what you wanted to know that you want to do better than anybody else now that is a man for it and that no matter what the rejection is whether you hear you're going to be starting a business or maybe you already experience business owner and you want to further add on to what he has spoken and you would just want to increase your business so i'm business owners sure those who maybe start now or have a maybe a little difficulty if you can say a prayer for them absolutely ok absolutely let's go to prayer oh lord we come to you in prayer we bring before you the needs that we have in his business people we bring before you those who are looking to start a business or those who are have started a business and need courage when they need guidance or more you are the one who gives light to our eyes and gives us wisdom oh lord give us that wisdom give them that wisdom oh lord help them guide them your the strength and might that we have  ward the world is a tough place and we need all the lord not only your encouragement but your strength and you will order the way maker so we look to you will or to make the way give us the wisdom that we need in business give us the wisdom not only to you to manage the resources that you put in our hands but give us the wisdom award in terms of dealing with our customers and clients ened in handling the affairs of the business help us oh lord guide us strengthen us bring those resources that we need bring the people that we need in our businesses award and for those who are looking to start a business so lord give them guidance in lighten them leave them holy spirit bring them the information they need and the knowledge that they need help them to clear their minds and thoughts and to put you strengthen us that you guide us that you give us wisdom that you give us the ideas we need that you when the discouragement comes on board because it does come that you encourage us that we are encouraged  a lord that you know us that you guide us that though the world batters us you are our strength you are our son and shield the lord because business is a tough thing to be  we have school board that you provide these things for us and for those who are seeking to start a business those who are in business those who are struggling in business or lord help us through these things because you are the one who makes the path straight whatever type of man your factor in business that you may have maybe is a shoe business whatever or clothing business dedicate your business to the lord in their prime examples of long term success twenty five years but he mentioned in their persistence and also perseverance and you know just don't give up and just hang in there and your business will it will flourish of that surely but the key to it is you know dedicate your business to god and allow him to do read you and he will be there to help you  to guide you in different arenas in your business cause is so important because we we need him in every step and like dr jim said even in this world that we're liv end we need so you know don't count your business a small business could be a one person business or five thousand army just you know play this over again and listen to it and apply some of the prayer to your business and you will see that the lord will greatly bless you and just hang in there and just be encouraged great things are here and we just wan