they're struggling with cancer is the second leading cause of death in this country leaving over half a million families each and every year without mothers fathers or children but there's some good news canadian research team has come up with c they believe it's a cheap and simple drug that kills almost all cancers you heard that right the real story is you can't have it not because it's unsafe but because you blood going to shoot out your eyes because it doesn't make any money you and i know there's big money to be made when pharmaceutical companies develop new lifesaving drugs but the gravy train doesn't last for long after investing millions and millions of dollars into research and to the development of a new drug companies only have a few years to make their money back plus a profit before their patent expires and competing companies can make a generic form of the same drug so back to this canadian team and dca they're working out of the university of edmonton canada and scientists have tested dca on human cells cultured outside the body they found that it killed long breast and brain cancer cells but not healthy sales got it that's problem well since dca has no patent that means it can be made generically from day one no exclusivities equals no value you know i heard that today and i thought you know once in a while maybe capitalism needs to be reminded of the value of human life is all the life righty here from the northwest northwest what i don't know north of something but i think we're all trying to figure out what direction is the best direction north or south anywhere we go especially it comes to the means of politicking pas legislation seems like it's a lot of politics today especially in washington state on hip legislation well let's see hundred nine clinics t h c list dot com lists about seventy of them and apparently the states becoming a leader in legislation things we need to think about seventeen states right now considering or in acting amending their state constitutions to the tenth amendment there of meaning the states cite seventeen of them are preparing for something like wyoming the whole state legislatures prefer preparing for the financial collapse so for concerning financial collapse was it don't think that they didn't used to prayer money up on you know by the way over ten thousand products because we're going to hear some ideas on that on the panel people here from our local community who are concerned about things specially all of us who seem to be aware of financial collapses not just the things that we read about in the paper about these puppet shows with these neck cases they call political candidates except for that one name paul but then again they don't they don't promote him in their media do they amazing and so we have to take control ourselves of people as i mentioned on the list sort of information we've got at the bottom of the page it's good to see you guys really is but bill i want to ask you really quick legislation in this state and as you've mentioned in the past we've we need to focus on constitution but certain people have mentioned we're having a constitutional debacle does the state have to redefine its constitution find amendments to it specially with this type of legislation especially in a time period where we need to think a people about eight point nine million people in washington state don't forget to mention that it's thirty percent of the size of france one fourteenth of the population fifty times the resources you cannot die of thirst or starvation here think about that the thing is  we're in an economic rules of the world that controls everything says what whether we have a bankruptcy society according to them however this works these international i call people call thanks you know that's that's being nice don't be the thing is we need to rebuild our economy and if we're going to rebuild our economy i mean it takes planning and people with the discipline of understanding laws like people like you and i want to hear from your standpoint it's too bad we couldn't get michael reed here tonight michael reid has been working with the hip clinics here in the northwest has done might bring up some information on that but also hillary brick and can a large group here we hope to have a show where we can get several people from the law community bill they're getting informed because it's we're talking about four hundred million dollars a year industry here or bigger right now thousands of new products go take a tour professor give sm give you guys a tour of the clinics here the the means by which people are getting their act together here in the northwest creating stuff building stuff not waiting around these people are motivated dynamic innovative and what you know it has something to do with them must be there that hippie syndrome i'm not sure bill but i want to hear from you in all of us as a panel our focus is as a state where are we going with this and things like yes a little later we can lay the groundwork for a future broadcast bill with you and some of these other people which i look forward to you know let's where do we begin i mean well let's let's talk about how it does tie into law i think that i'm bill but i get it but again law firm and we have a we have a great panel here again tonight and we'll talk about it again about the medical marijuana issue and state of washington and we are a leading state on that and what's so interesting about about this is it's it's like these issues such as gay marriage  equal marriage redefining marriage that whole topic is is so tied in to the new laws that are coming up and how they're challenges and how they go through the court system and it's just an exciting time on that topic while it's the same way with medical marijuana it's had years of developing to get to where we are now and we're going to be discussing current status of that law the initiative five o two impacts of what what would happen if the five o two passes of  dozen passes all sorts of discussion about that and then what are some of the steps of how those laws can be changed and it's just a very interesting time to be involved in all this and i i find it a to be talking to to both sides of all these various issues to see how one really how sausage is made that is how laws made by looking at the actual components and and you never get to really see the the back workings of these things so that's what we want to talk about tonight to start off with but we have a few other topics as well it's tax season we've got going to talk to lead us through some interesting tax changes that are interesting and really could you went to that and well we'll figure out what that is and how that ties into all these topics so let's just first go down the table and just say who we are to refresh we've some people have been on this topic and been here on the show before but but latter day saint priesthood leaders over the whole medical marijuana issue and so i have taken upon myself the sword of truth to do battle with those who would break up other people's families some people to jail in this early over this so we will issue also am an expert in alternative agriculture alternative energy and alternative construction all of which hemp is denied me as material for a great many applications so that's why i'm here  having a good industry for night on marijuana i'm very much in favor of racial regulation but but too there must be some maybe even within your industry that think that maybe you are too pro government regulation in this area i think there are that i certainly deal with a lot of people in this industry who believe that i'm a little off the record in terms of where i  standards in terms of like quality of medication and treatment of patients follow through with patients really treating it as our facility is a medical facility not just in words we truly are a medical facility and we treat patients as patients and try to help them with their individual concerns and issues as much as possible we're not drug dealers that just don't want to work it's going to differ are you an advocate for  who should even be in the industry and what what type of uses of medical marijuana should be allowed in and their quote the actual quality of marijuana itself is that is that a fair statement that that is a fair statement the quick the quote the key word here though is rational unfortunately what happened sometimes as it is we have this unrealistic expectation of our legislators and our lawmakers that they are going to be as knowledgeable and expert in everything as we are in our one particular issue no one can be that expert in everything and there are so many issues that our legislators have to deal with that i really like quite frankly i feel sorry for them i don't know how they keep that many things on the plate but we need to reach out and educate them so that we can get regulation that is patient friendly that is beneficial to the patients and not not regulations that are just sort of pulled out of thin air that actually impede patients ability to get quality ac magazines and websites and stuff that provide maps and addresses and stuff like that but every place very savory access point varies on how you like first time clients when they give a donation you get a bonus you know i guess sometimes it's a pretty old joiner edible or sometimes a gram of a certain type of medicine and in some places don't give any bonus and so it's kind of interesting and they also get a bonus sometimes for referrals and you know bringing patients in the first time patients and so it's like it is a good fun to ernst a good bonus thing and you get to interesting guided tour concept is there any reduction on the jet fare the well as far as i know a j you know frequent flyer miles or something i'm not sure is troubling me on that one it's going to be interesting well let's let's talk about that let's let's jump into first of all don can you help us out with what you might know about the current status of the anything legislatively happening arguments pro and con and if anybody would want to check with choice well this will certainly be happy to give you both information in fact that we are handing out information to the patients that come through about the issues what the bullet points are about why it's a bad law and also some perspectives on why it's advantageous there was an article to recently in the seattle times through frame see that we gave in kind of a different deal and we're giving our patients copies of that even though it it's in sort of opposition from our stance of five o two is a bad bill for patients if i could vote i would vote against it but i have a drug only saw him well why don't you go to a judge and have their removed there is a process is a specific process on that go to the secretary of state's office and last time i checked it was just a procedure they have it on the website and i believe it was on the where we think the public is going on this topic that if five o two passes even with some problems with that law and people may be against the actual wording of the law and some  of the points of it that will come down with that passing if that passes in theory it means that it's a green light to politicians saying that that enough of the population wants medical marijuana and  legalization of marijuana to to an extent that in the future it'll probably be tweaked and and worked out and it is heading that way but if it if it gets voted down the theory is that that means that that will tell the politicians that well the public isn't ready for this yet and not not to this extent yet and i understand your point on that and it makes an awful lot of sense the problem is though that medical patients are jeopardized by five o two and we would have to live with it for at least two years until things got straightened out with that in the meantime that would mean i would be dead and probably several other people would boss would be dead and thousands hundreds of thousands would be it in the biggest concern well i have several concerns but one of the huge ones is the five nandigram demarcation which is it's kind of insane actually because it's sort of made up from from not good information there was testing i as a understand it was testing that was done on people who were very infrequent users of cannabis and when somebody who is an infrequent user of cannabis does like smoke a joint they are going to be in there for a while they have don't have any any tolerance build and they certainly would be impaired for those of us who have they have chronic and very serious life threatening immune deficiency issues going on because of the amount of cannabis we have to maintain or to cure control whatever the case may be we are way above five nanograms you know then so that that really is it there's no scientific basis for it there's actually no good way to test to see how anybody is impaired it's not like alcohol work can be measured exactly at all you know it depends a lot on the person stronger answer depends a lot on the strain it depends a lot on how they ingest it when they last a whether there are so many circumstances that are factors into this law as i understand it employer cannot fire somebody for the use of a prescription medication however because cannabis is on schedule when it cannot be prescribed it is recommended and the law allows them to dismiss somebody simply because they are using a recommended medication of course this is so wrong but that's the way the law is what i am what i five zero to change that no five o two would make it worse five o two which would not issue is just really huge so i don't see what you're saying sounds like there's no relief in the law when you're actually using it for a prescription type item and the law is not written for it so actually that should be thrown out because there's no relief in law that was always has to be relief in law that lies actually a financial and social booby trap if you read it the way i read it i mean that five mammogram level is so low that  be smoking inside the house because it creates more damage to the building well but if that's the case and they can address that by just saying no smoking inside the house which is completely completely above board it's fair to everybody that if there is no smoking there's no smoking doesn't matter whether you have a prescription or not but the issue the issue is that they are not they have to sign i have a friend did this just happen to have a sign that she is not a medical marijuana patient now there are medical marijuana patients who never smoke who use marijuana and cannabis in other forms in topical sin tinctures and edibles and capsules that sort of thing so it really has nothing to do with the smoking it has to do with the bigotry that came from the thirty's that still exists the fear that put into people that this is like this devil we it's going to make you crazy and homeless sidle well unless of course they're trying to prove the other and then it would make you a pacifist it depends on where the politics of the day are  changed one iota if that's all politics it's just simply politics i don't know what is the point five nanograms about is that two it's is a to allow use by infrequent casserole users of marijuana as i know it's one pill is what it is it is put in there specifically solely the entire bill in order to get the bill so that everybody can use marijuana they put in this little poison pill which like i said it's a booby trap it's a social and financial booby trap in order for somebody to be below five nano mammograms per milliliter holy cow do you know how long you have to let all those metabolites metabolize in your system it is a trick it's nothing but a trick and like you were saying about public perception whoever supports this bill and says that this is a litmus test it is completely inappropriate to use this as a litmus test like the public is not ready for this sort of law where if you put this little poison pill in it of course nobody is ready for that because you're casting such a wide net to to start collecting fees and put people in jail for things that don't even matter i mean five man i'm nanograms bed doesn't even i wouldn't even notice that it is this is this  cooking sherry is probably not going to save anybody's life cannabis ace people's lives that's that's the big difference we're talking about quality of your life you know like i i you know i i'm wonderful and i could many many many things i have never used cooking sherry to one panel and now this doesn't make any sense why aren't they talking about how much cannabis is in it or how much th season it or how many c b d's they never talk about c b s because they don't know about c b s that's part of the life saving process you know if the plan sure but medical marijuana we were really not sure on what the total play out is and that's part of the fear of course is what is the total is it and what does it what does it mention about medical marijuana it does not mention medical marijuana at all so  here's some of the other things five or two does it prohibits anybody from growing their own it does not say with the exception of medical marijuana patients one of the things that we really promote is people growing their own that is one way that you can kno absolutely that there is no poison no pesticides and nothing bad in your in your medicine if you grow it yourself you don't have to trust anybody and there's a lot of people out there that are absolutely not just one another a projection of will thing if i go to is this the state would manufacture cannabis the state would take over the manufacture of cannabis now there are four people who still receive cannabis from the state from the get us government which is also very interesting when on one hand the u s government saying that cannabis has absolutely no medical value and is totally dangerous which is a lie but that's what they're saying on the other hand there are four people that every month get a can of three hundred can cigarettes from the federal government now three hundred that's quite a few that's quite a few joins us ten a day but the reason is because the whole city is so poor i don't want the government growing my medicine i didn't like i'm running my liquor stores i voted you know you had to make to make that public then i was in the past all along the line i'd certainly don't want the state growing my medicine there are ten thousand strains of cannabis out there they will grow what one two three what about all the yeah well i think there should be more of those people now on a completely different topic but still the same you're mentioning do you want this in the five milligrams where it was called five nanograms now even less ok so if you're if you get a d a dui on your record basically you can't go up to canada for ten years that's right unless you pay a thousand dollars to canada to enter and if it's one day or if it's six months it's so thousand dollars so you come back if you go across the border five times as five thousand bucks so the question is how would this ruling or do you have any idea how this ruling might affect going into canada since kant is not exactly conservative on this particular issue they're much more liberal want to number of issues with a disqualified as being dui i don't know how we can speak to what the canadian government is going to do but i do know that there have been people who have not been allowed because they do have duis that they would differentiate between one flavor of dui and another probably not our government certainly doesn't differentiate between one felony and another or one dui and another i just talked to a young man today in a new relatively new open the access point who is was his last day on the job and i said well were  you going what are you going to do and he said i don't know but i can't work here and i'm for him i said why and he said because i have a felony and city of shoreline will not allow him to work there with a felony now it totally unrelated to you and i don't know what type of felony or do you not want you want to say what type of the i don't know what type of villain it was again got it when he was eighteen years old he was a kid how's you know late twenty's isn't it time for him to get that expose from his record that would be a good idea but what i'm saying is that is such a it's a good it's like an arbitrary kind of thing that you just automatically will never be able to drive a bus will never be able to do a lot of things because of that so would you get that label and it's there so if you've got a label of dui it's there  so while you're incarcerated your rights are taken away at least in this state but then as soon as you get out then i was arguing to our attorney general that soon as you get out you yeah it's it's like true peace it's the kids that stays forever fire affected if somebody gets convicted of any kind of drug crime doesn't matter whether it's a felony or not you're automatically disqualified from financial aid from the basically would become the law the state and would override earlier laws that allowed for medical marijuana use that if you're really a possibility in a field absolutely or whether there are people or some people will argue that and they'll bring a case for general is probably going to be influenced by financial interest to those interests are going to argue heavily that this is the new voters knew what they were doing when they were passing it and keep reinforcing point after point after point that's why i dislike that little poison pill would be a perfectly fine law if it were allowed for say a field sobriety test to determine whether or not you're actually impaired because if you can pass a field sobriety test when that actually applies and you can demonstrate that you're not a parenting you should be allowed to motor  whereas if you're impaired as matter really how much is in your blood your impaired you shouldn't be driving correctly i don't want we're going to take a quick break here and we'll just be back in just about a minute i mean it's just give us a second i appreciate this we're getting some in mccann nova scotia this always gaining a reputation as a miracle drug you got to go right there or go extracted from marijuana plants simpson has been making it and giving it to friends and neighbors s and the buildings too as a platform to promote the use of well as a medicinal drug i don't care if there's medicine comes from a tomato plant a potato friend or  entire executive of this branch along with any activities planned for the building until they install a new management team there is no provincial or federal regulation which states that this marijuana can be grown and produced into hemp oil from additional purposes and therefore it's illegal as far so prominent is concerned and the royal canadian legion does not back your legal operations simpson has had trouble with the law the r c m p confiscated sixteen hundred marijuana plants from his backyard last year plants he claims were grown for medicinal purposes a court case is unresolved and so are questions within the legion abo menace that goes against the general by laws of the wrong canadian legion what i did i'm proud of what i did i'm proud of it and for now since the legion is the town's only meeting place getting the word out about hemp oil will prove to i five o two that we have other topics as well but medical marijuana we're focusing on and we were just asking we were just at the point of saying well ok do we vote for this thing or not this i five o two on the one hand  it moves and moves the law why on it shows the will of the people that they they want to allow legalization of marijuana at least to an extent there seems to be a lot of emphasis on the on the dui law but also you  let's talk about this concept that you know in general like if there's you can't be intoxicated in public forget driving just you can't you're not supposed to be drinking in public and crossing in that way and that's go happen with this with this law with that level of of five nanograms if someone is incapacitated in public imagine they're going to it was a spell into that as well i believe people should like think legalize marijuana most of us i think i truly believe most of us actually would love to just legalize cannabis this law does not do that and that is the problem so to say that it's a mandate on whether or  not the population once this i think i think it's going to be viewed that way but i think it's erroneous because this is the purpose pointed out there are several points in this law that are really scary and dangerous and roads we don't want to be going down that have nothing to do with legalizing cannabis legalizing cannabis is one thing i'm totally for it i am not for the state of washington growing my medicine totally different things so i'm against it because of the the certain little elements in it those manny many many cases where someone gets pulled over and they search the car search persons clothes and they find it's almost always about announcer or under an ounce of marijuana on that person but because of that the sentencing guidelines say well it's an ounce or more and therefore we're going to throw the book at you and we're getting huge numbers of you know off unbelievable numbers of people in jail and caught up in the legal system because of e so that would that would you would get from their standpoint you would get maybe five and a half days six days worth of medicine from an ielts so you know so you have five and a half days with the supply on you supply where they came up with this who knows because it's not nothing they've nothing's based on science or facts it's just all kind somebody comes up with some arbitrary thing now twenty four ounces sounds like an awful lot to most people and to most people it is an awful lot however there are some of us with immune deficiency disorders that need concentrated cannabis and it takes a lot just to make the medicine it takes i have to have at least four ounces at least minimally just to physically do the process i have to do now when when this gets off a schedule one will hopefully gets off the schedule completely and we can actually start doing some really serious organized well funded will research research and have projects going we will be able to create a way to make this without without it you know in a more much more efficient and safe kind of way but in the meantime if you're going to limit me to one ounce i can't make my medicine i have patients that have crones hep c aids cancer all taking this concentrated cannabis their lives are depending on it that is my that's my patient in my shit their lives are depending on so i'm not willing for me and other people like me to be thrown under the bus so some kid can go out and have a joint on friday night now i don't have anything against recreational smokers personally actually i don't believe there is such a thing as recreational smoking i truly believe that virtually everyone out there is using cannabis is self medicating for something in some manner and it takes a while sometimes for people to realize this i was talking to a young man couple nights ago and he said well i just realized you know i've been using cannabis for a long time but i never made that kind of association as to why and what it did for me and now i know i used it when i was having social anxiety i used to i mean he talked about the very issues for which cannabis was very helpful for him and he'd realize that he was self medicating can we go back to the i want to maze remember the grahams i want to because the law does that well first of all does i five zero to move it from schedule one you know to come in once a week and that would start to be become more costly for the transportation than for the cannabis and all and many of these people are too sick to make that trip you know somebody who is really really sick very very well cannot make that four or five hour trip especially if it's snowing or whatever i mean it's just unconscionable to expect them to we can't mail it to them nobody's going to drive five hours to deliver so so  what we need really we don't want the big kind of thing in colorado here we don't want what they've got nearly here but what we want is is to continue the kind of small mom and pop access points that are conveniently located where people do have convenient access what we want is to see that throughout the state we do not want counties and cities safe not in my town any more than they have a right to say not my town to  initiative and silent to that particular issue then the current policy that's being presented would still be on board and would not be changed typically they would be allowed to both exist that's why i'm saying that better there the more majority of courts around the country on reviewing these types of things would say well that the medical marijuana law was not specifically spelled out as being  just in any way and it is possible to have the two exist because it is possible to have access points legalized and you get your medical marijuana and yet still for the people that aren't doing medical reading bills you are absolutely correct it has the specific form of the lines crossed out they do have in there but they're all crossed out and or if there's any amendments to a bill those are crossed out that's actually one of the reasons is to save the to just download everything on your i phone or or your laptop is just on the side of the road without a warrant didn't a court recently rule that it's ok for the t s a to keep making images of your body as you've been scanned at the airport things of this nature no add i'm afraid that there's just too much in play in this bill i'm pretty sure that those who promoted it and wanted to see it passed have done nothing more than provide us with giant boondoggles and landmines and giving us so as to fight and spend our way through for decades also the state of washington supreme court recently said the traffic cameras for a initiative for a specific town  is they can't do it because a legislator did give the authority to the cities however i don't think the supreme court knew they were doing and i believe it's actually treasonous for them to dress in that fashion because the legislature gets their authority from the people so you get the people saying ok we want to do this stuff and the people come back and they say no we don't want you to do this in this post specifically this reason why i think the supreme court  didn't didn't decide the correct question at hand the people are supreme not the legislature or the supreme court so that could play a little bit in this to people speak it but one of the other issues i wanted to mention about it is that we have had the state medical marijuana law for it for fourteen years we still have very few city attorneys who really understand it you've really read it through and they don't even know that it's not a prescription or that you know their health referred to a prescription they refer to things that really aren't even in there and don't fit in if then those fourteen years they haven't got it if they're five zero two pails as law enforcement is going to be so confused truly they are we i mean they're confused nail i think it does several officers come into our facility to ask can i see what it will win looks like so i know when i go out there what what a real valid recommendation looks like they don't know and if this happens there i think there's go it doesn't pass you you can never use again but from a constitutional standpoint i think it's got some really strong grounds even if it doesn't pass to begin with and i think the states and the individuals have the right to do that even though i disagree with that strongly but as and its name is a you had to have a one being a transmitter receptor and a two being a transmitter receptor generally speaking a word would be in your brain a two would be someplace out in your body but with  system and they couldn't find out couldn't figure out what system this neurotransmitter was tied to because it was found in all the other systems and finally they discovered c b two and c b two was discovered in the brain benoit system it's backwards usually because of the naming come convention usually c b one being up here for can have been reads it c b two up here it was discovered that it's important for the rest of the body before they found out it's important for the brain to try some junk it's absolutely free promotional offer no i don't want any john k just want some pie you know like you get with the new world order man there is no more pot on the earth anymore the government destroyed it on man in order to get off oil company yeah why because his marijuana seeds can be made into a fuel more mainly to protect i am now no pot is illegal because william randolph hearst ran a smear campaign against marijuana in the one nine hundred thirty s to protect his interests in the timber industry because hemp was poised to replace wood as an inexpensive raw material for the manufacture of