thank of skeptics are meeting in toronto next month to question the events of nine eleven the meeting comes as thousands are set to gather to remember the lives lost on this the ten year anniversary of those attacks that conspiracy theory meetings are set to take place at university and that's where c b s amendable its joins us now amanda hi jacqueline that's right rising university that's where we are it's supposed to take place from september eighth just the tambour eleventh you might notice the date well that's got some people concerned i'm here right now with the organizer of the event graham mclean so graham why are you having this on september eleventh the tenth anniversary well i think the tenth anniversary is the appropriate occasion to sum up all the research that's been done over ten years suggests that the story we've been given about nine eleven is not true what do you say to those people who say that it's so insensitive to have it on september eleventh on the tenth year anniversary i think the people who find it insensitive are probably people who feel that that folks like me are knots and busy bodies with nothing better to do if that's your perspective you would see it is insensitive but if you open up your mind to the possibility that we are actually researchers in my case university professor for thirty years doing my best research on this and we're trying to determine what happened why it happened and who did it those kinds of questions and we're saying the official story is wrong i mean if you open your mind to the possibility that we are right it's not insensitive it's actually crucial why would canadians want to build their foreign policy in their domestic policy on a lie anniversaries are important and we knew that the tenth anniversary of nine eleven would be important one way or another whether we did anything or not and i had some fears about how it would be used it would be used to promote myth law and deception might be used to reinvigorate the flagging war on terror there's always syria there's always some left to go but there's another way that it also could be that i worry about and that is to put the whole and i thought you know are going to try to prevent that we've got to have an event on the tenth tenth anniversary which will say this isn't over this is just beginning this is just beginning we have gathered here at ryerson university in toronto for the international hearings on the events of september eleventh two thousand and one everything changed after nine eleven and that is a cliche and perhaps a politically motivated one however governmental responses to that day's events have reshaped our world in ways i can only summarize here in the briefest manner the events of nine eleven have served as a cause or pretext for two major wars producing incalculable suffering in iraq and afghanistan and increasing instability throughout the middle east in canada let us add there are parallel grounds for public debate and formal hearings two dozen canadians were among the direct victims of the nine eleven attacks six times that number of canadian soldiers have died in afghanistan in the longest running of the nine eleven wars and the kathleen and mass arrests of more than a thousand peaceful demonstrators at last year's g twenty protests in toronto while the police made no attempt to interfere with the actions of a disorderly minority was one sign of the extent to which civil liberties of decline in post nine eleven canada the importance of nine eleven as a historic turning point than is not in doubt but much of what happened on that day in the period leading up to it and in its immediate aftermath remains in doubt in terms most particularly of the agencies and causalities involved in that sequence of events our four day hearings them well let's have a quasi judicial structure the presentations of the expert witnesses will be evidence based rather than speculative the methodology is involved whether those of the physical or the social sciences will be rigorous and the information that the witnesses present will receive a further critical sifting at the hands of the panelists distinct view of what happened because of their professional background and so it's meaningful when you get scientists architects engineers the entire conglomeration of the community that has looked at what we studied it according to the scientific eleven in general the hearings are intended to bring attention to the most substantial evidence that is accumulated over the last ten years evidence that the nine eleven commission report and the various reports issued by the national institute of standards standards and technology failed to adequately address which demonstrates that there is a need for a new independent and international investigations  into the events of nine eleven the hearings are not a new investigation in themselves the hearings will provide a succinct summary of the strongest evidence that a new investigation is immediately warranted and that the international community cannot abdicate this responsibility any longer the format and conduct of the hearings will be analogous to though not exactly the same as a legal proceeding a criminal proceeding that is known in the united states as a grand jury hearing the analogy between that serato hearings and a grand jury proceeding is not perfect because there are some differences in format and product of its row hearings the hearings are not being conducted according to any specific laws or legal procedures and the outcome will not have the force of law instead of convening a traditional jury panel we decided to gather together an international panel of prominent individuals who have agreed to do what governments and major media outlets around the world have so far refused to do look at the evidence objective really and decide whether it deserves wider attention in selecting panelists we look for two qualifications in an individual someone who is one highly credible and two open to have objective lee assessing the evidence put in and to impose a model is the owner and president of the supreme court of italy as a former senior investigative judge he presided over major terrorism related cases including political assassination a former senator who served on the anti mafia commission in three administrations a former legal consultant to the united nations on drug trafficking and the author or co author of seven books on international terrorism state corruption and related matters he is also a grand officer of the order of merit of the republic of italy herbert jenkins a professor emeritus of psychology at mcmaster university worked in major research laboratories before coming to mcmaster in one thousand nine hundred sixty three an influential figure both in the psychology of learning and judgment and also in the development of new forms of interdisciplinary curricular that have been widely imitated in other canadian universities he was awarded an honorary doctorate by mcmaster university in two thousand and nine in recognition of his impact in both fields david johnson is a professor emeritus of urban and regional planning at the university of tennessee a fellow of the american institute of certified planners he served on the stocks of the boston redevelopment authority the washington national capital planning commission and the regional planning association of new york a former chair of the planning departments at syracuse university and at ball state university he is also a past president of the fulbright association of the united states richard b levy our fourth panelist is a distinguished professor of anthropology at the university of toronto a fellow of the royal society of canada a foreign honorary member of the american academy of arts and sciences and a foreign associate of the national academy of sciences he has served as president of the canadian anthropology society and the canadian ethnology society and hold on or a doctorate from the university of fairbanks alaska and the university of wealth over the course of four days the panel will listen to evidence that has been collected over the last ten years that contradicts the official government version of events each witness will present an opening statement and then answer questions posed by the panel the panel has been given considerable latitude in the subject and nature of the questions they may  k and we expect the witnesses to answer every question to the best of their knowledge after the hearings have adjourned on the fourth day the panel will reconvene over the following weeks and months and make a decision on which aspects if any of the evidence presented deserves further investigation by governments with subpoena and political power the panel will then publish a final report which i will help draft an edit setting forth a restoration of the evidence presented and the panel conclusions regarding streaks the strength of the evidence and recommendations on how to proceed the information that we receive from from really all sorts of media with the exception of the alternate media the internet seems to be just kind of telling us the same story over and over again but they really can't address the hard questions that are out there they will say they are those that support the official story that while all those questions have been answered there's books out there while they've all been answered surely than all been answered but when you read those books and when you get into those questions you find that they have not been answered this is what we're talking about at the toronto hearings presenting a seven it's to the distinguished panel and  packaging and i'm very excited to be a part of it and to hear the other distinguished panelists discuss the other aspects of the extremely explosive destruction of the twin towers including nano thermite composite explosives found in all the world trade center dust people that read this material and then it's looked into a realize the official lookout has can't withstand scrutiny it's just full of holes and contradictions gap so the difficulty is bringing this to the attention of responsible parties in the political class in the united states is this basically you can't talk about it much less do anything than that and so i think bringing into canada and bringing everybody together and try to put on the table a collection of evidence that we are confident about can raise the profile of this issue that's all we have to do is get people to take a look at it so i've been interviewed a lot especially recently in connection to hearings and the media have been told i suppose for ten years that conspiracy theories the term to use and that's why we don't interview these people much that's how we're going to disparage them when we do interview them it hasn't worked very well for them recently because if that's what you've done for ten years instead of looking into it stead of thinking about it the most you've been able to come up with is the term conspiracy theory then when you're finally confronted with a whole bunch of articulate intelligent people together and they they just dismissed it as b s when the conspiracy killing firefighters till today it's used to justify war still thousands of american soldiers killed millions of iraqis now afghanis is literally in the millions and to consider that out investigating the roots of out is somehow not legitimate or that you have to be somehow psychologically impaired some sort conspiratorial thinking trying to psychologize all this to where people can dismiss are people who even asked these questions i think it's being a responsible citizen to ask questions of your government and to not just take what they say without any kind of critical thought that's only half of that were crazy nuts who don't know our feet from where hands and we're very dangerous so much so that they have at least two officers inside the u s government to deal with conspiracy theories the this is this is or really in such control the government is  in the business of telling people not to listen to conspiracy serious they can't answer the physics they can't answer the questions so what else can i do when you're getting difficult questions of course you just smear the person that's saying that's asking those questions if you can't answer those questions head on and i think the nice thing about these international hearings today is that anybody who looks at it will realize that we're not walking in there with ten for all hats we are just normal people we are ordinary citizens who are concerned and trying to do something about it we are not irrational people we are bringing up legitimate questions that just cannot or have not been answered we're putting our reputations on the line speaking publicly about an unpopular subject and all we're asking is that we be taken seriously and that the evidence be looked at i think we face an uphill battle in our effort to establish a real  inquiry into the rif events of nine eleven and a necessary part of that battle was advanced in our four days of hearings we have focused on the strongest evidence and reasoned arguments that the official account of nine eleven is not true any open minded person in my view who genuinely s truth and is willing to examine the evidence would support a real inquiry with the power to subpoena witnesses and with the political clout to pry loose from a secretive government evidence that they have so far managed to suppress we really want to begin a long process of rebuilding trust in a democratic state in the only way it can be done within the law by opening the government to the legitimate needs of its citizens to know and to see and to be heard we should be a movement to rebuild trust through real in to bring about a rebirth of democracy and trust in the united states this must be done in and by the people and and some part of the state together it occurred to me as i tried to put forward to the questioners in the last couple of days that because of the collapse of these three towers there must be massive changes to the building codes in the united states of america and i'm kind of willing to bet that there aren't any and i kind of think that that is something that we definitely should be should definitely be explored it why aren't there changes in the building codes the cloud the towers collapsed according to the recognised authorities this is how they collapse so what's happening in the building codes one of the rhetorical devices used by the official story is to say that we critics  are showing disrespect for the dead and on the contrary it seems really important to say that by really seeking the true sources of their i want to say that i am proud of patriotic american u s citizen i served in the military i have been a federal employee i have represented the united states as a fulbright scholar in four countries  and i think my country of has a proud history not all of it but much of it and we've done some wonderful things and i i have not given up on my country i was at the original hearings when the twin towers were proposed in new york as a city play there in one thousand nine hundred i think was sixty seven or sixty eight and i supported the building the building of the twin towers proposed by david rockefeller to keep the financial district in the downtown it was migrating north and that's why it was built and i supported it because i felt it was made good planning sense and there was a i was well aware of the internal structure of this building a very interesting structure unique actually i'd had done work in structural engineering my first degree was in architecture and so when i saw the the videos of the collapse of the building i i said something's fishy here and this was in two thousand and two it was very early and i told talk to people about it and they looked at me and rolled their eyes as they do senator fulbright who was my one of my heroes he wrote in a book called the arrogance of power i do not think for a moment that america with her deeply rooted democratic traditions is likely to embark upon a campaign to dominate the world in the manner of a hitler or napoleon what i do fear is that she may be drifting into commitments which generous and benevolent in intent so far reaching as to exceed even america's great capacities at the same time it  my hope and i emphasize it because it underlies all of the criticisms and proposals i make here that america will escape those fatal temptations of power which have ruined other great nations and will instead confined herself to doing only that good in the world which she can do both by direct effet and by the force of her own example fulbright went on to write another book which he titled the price of empire we are gathering together to demand a real investigation that accounts for all of this evidence that uses the scientific method relative to its examination that uses immunity to bring forth witnesses and takes testimony under oath that will be a real investigation and we don't know who is capable of performing that yet that's beyond our area of expertise but we hope the toronto hearings will  d us toward that and i look forward to the day that there can be a real legitimate transparent independent court review of the information that is being put forward at this tribunal and the work of others who have done the necessary investigation there's a lot of people are easily manipulated because all they basically have is a stereotypical value system that is just out by the media the average person goes to their newspaper and read their their local magazine and listens to their news it's very hard to get people to break a habit that's been inbred in them for the last ever says or born so it's a difficult task i think the alternate media the internet is an absolute critical part of this whole thing on the news shows  a farce don't get your news from t v turn off your t v get your news from other sources i believe him human jury and city and human intelligence and there's a limit to how our people can go on thinking it's not set you persuade the older generation the older generation and then you have a new generation whose minds are not being distorted by the propaganda campaigns i would you have any advice for young person who is inspired hungry for truth and looking to make a difference you know i would just you know watch the people  that are seem to be making a difference today there are alternative journalists out there if that's if that's what you're interested in if that's what your talent slot where your talents lie that's that's an incredibly important part we frankly  do it appears need to build a new media that's critically important for the future so we need people to take to have the courage and take the steps necessary to make the sacrifices necessary to build that media to take the risks and if that happens i think that we're going to make a lot of progress in the future well i guess the first thing is think for yourself you know don't know billie's something because peter dale scott said it certainly you know believe something because the new york times said it trust in your own ability not just to understand what  said so far but if you have the curiosity go a little further you get into this a primary records and discover something new that nobody else has every discovered before that's relatively easy to do in this field because there's so much pressure on people not to conduct this kind of research that if you become independent and do it you may find something which will contribute to the record you need to wake up you need to look out what's really going on we barely get a chance to realize where young when we look in the mirror and realize you're not young anymore so you know enjoy your youth but that's not going to that's not going to do it for you in your life you've got to come on you've got to come up with something that's this planet is important and don't hesitate to give your life to your energy when i ponder the renders crimes of nine eleven i likewise feel sick to my stomach it's a different sickness but every bit as much vertigo  inducing as has been given testament here human consciousness eventually assimilated the pertinence of gravity and made peace with what it meant once a heresy against ultimate authority although it was and we moved on institutions were erected that one way or another gave testament to the witness of science about gravity and have no mistake about it we have given witness to science here these last few days each of these witnesses with a score of others doing likewise here step from privileged place into the order of history like glimpse the redemption that got him her itself willing others might someday do likewise made the mysteries explicable to us all but when the mass media and every other institution of the land are willing to play along with contempt for laws of the universe we've got more fundamental problems in the late middle ages so called scholastic philosophers confronted with mounting evidence for a world governed some other way than have for so long been accept sect accepted practice by themselves with a the relevance of angels dancing on  pinheads as if that was the most relevant consideration for them to sort through i'd like to take solace in some positive headlines in the next few days glimpse some sort of confirmation that the beautifully shameless testaments made here have made it past the sentinels for the time being i know that headlines will never be enough i think all of us know that but one thing i know for certain although so many of them want free people thinking otherwise we who are free are not lone wolves not now not ever something other than physical laws binds us together now us who gave witness to these testaments here so so wonderfully done we might be exiles from the matrix of received wisdom from appliance media but as morpheus in the film story the matrix said we are still here here's to hoping soon for a world full of exiles thank you thank so how did the twin towers fall how did the twin towers fall it sounds like a very easy question but in fact it's kind of a tough question because if you ask almost anybody on the street if you had asked me four years ago i would have said i don't know the planes hit and and fires and think it's about explosions but that didn't happen and and then they just fell down but i really didn't understand how those towers fell and i think if you ask the average person on the street that same question they won't really clearly understand the official story of how those towers fell but knowing how those towers fell is critical because it's like if somebody was murdered if they if they were murdered that's one thing if they died of natural causes another we need to understand how those towers fall thermite before three years ago ever thermite is a mixture of iron oxide and aluminum and when you add sulfur to it they call it thermite it's got that sulfur right in it  and so i decide to do a little research on thermite and to find out what it could or could not do maybe i can do some sort of experiment let's see if they're right let's see if the medic material can cut steel they come out and they basically say can't cut steel let's see if  can and i put a little video out on the thing here the initial set of them made using the same being from my eutectic steel video and another twelve inch beam i proceeded to make a double angle welded connection which i set up on some eight inch concrete slabs i could not obtain nano thermite so i made small quantities of old fashioned sir may which is not considered an explosive with ingredients that are legal and readily available therma is difficult to ignite in ordinary fuses not hot enough but a magnesium strip which burns white hot will ignite the thermal given off he and white smoke in addition to giving off heat in white smoke thermite produces lots of small spheres of iron these iron spheres are a natural byproduct of thurman and not from any steel just like those iron spheres found all through the dust so that's the first thing i learned is that thermite those little rounds fear is a natural byproduct of that thermite ok so then i thought well how am i going to melt steel how my going to hold it against any steel if it melt steel it's going to melt whatever i pressed press against it so i started to i started thinking about fire brick i find us i will maybe i will maybe i will get some some roof tile we have in florida and cut it in half put the loose thermite in there wrap it around some plastic wrap and then i'll sing well how can i hold that against a steel beam he can't bolt tile to a steel beam so i decided to use the magnets and a spring tooth and i thought well if i do this i'll put five pounds on each side of the surely it'll melt that thing it'll just take it right apart well unfortunately in and five pounds and the other side are some magnets in a spring toother i went up to it lift this thing and i thought all here we go i'm going to prove and i basically prove that it didn't do a thing except for i think it singed my eyebrows i did prove that as they say at first you don't succeed i decided to keep on going to have to scratch my head a while and i thought well that's strange it didn't it didn't do anything it in what i thought it would do so i tried again now one play this video i'm going to be talking over it but as i burn through this column i want you to if you can if you can catch it in time you're going to notice a molten metal pouring down as i go through this fast but if you slow it down  check it out on the video i gave you in the presentation there it will create molten metal and that molten metal looks very similar to what's coming out of the south tower but the steel did not melt meaning that perhaps a container could be made out of steel after all using an ordinary steel box tube i have a slot milled along one edge welding the bottom and using clamps on the top to hold the power are made in i bolted it to a steel beam vertically i call this device my firm medic box cutter with only one and a half pounds of thermal for less than one one hundredth of what the national geographic experts use for their experience only was able to melt steel but also sliced a vertical cut so i made a slightly larger three medic box cutter the so then used to three eights bolts drilled and tapped on one side of the connection it only took a slight twist to break it completely off i noticed as a thermite burn it tended to lose its cutting power perhaps because it could expand into the area where the box cutter previously burned so i built a piston driven box cutter using a compressed car hatch because i added sheets of tungsten to minimize the burn out and allow the piston to slide better i then bolted my contraption to the flange of the column and ignited the white it appears that not only confirm a melt steel but it can also cut vertical columns so that was my my second test now and work a little bit better through experimentation rather than using him a cannibal piston to maintain volume i segment of my box cutter was steel plates hoping to get a more uniform burn but got some unexpected results can thermite make pressure pulses and or dust i guess the camp but why waste all that thermite and energy cutting the columns why not attack the weakest areas instead and without any evidence on the other side i don't think that something like my piston driven box cutter was bolted to the office walls or trash bags full of thermite used it's more likely that any pretty weak and third medic material were hidden inside perimeter box columns i had a replica of a segment of the w t c box columns made up unlike the trade center ironworkers i bolted the segments together in may two sets of my two bolt blaster i guess it is i made a four sided internal box cutter that was split into two pieces so they could be inserted inside the column let's see what happens i think my box cutter blew about fifty feet out of consuming valuable energy  trimming my trees in the process nevertheless the inside of the column was cut about three quarters of the way through worth a medic devices or maybe explosive nano thermite sprayed inside those box columns i'm not sure and i'm using your power of observation what do you think do you think it can even though the experts said it could not be done unfortunately there's not a little quote out there in these days when a man who says a thing cannot be done is quite apt to be interrupted by some idiot doing because we know that regardless of how beautiful their theory may appear if it doesn't agree with experiment it's wrong thank you today i'm going to present evidence related to the existence of unusually high temperatures at the world trade center both during the destruction of the three buildings and afterward for several months much of the evidence presented here will be taken from two peer reviewed scientific papers one of these papers is called extremely high temperatures during the world trade center destruction the authors include four ph d physicists one ph d chemist and several others including myself the second of the two papers all discuss is called environmental  anomalies at the world trade center evidence for energetic materials i'd like to begin with the first of these papers and ask you to notice the maximum temperatures that were cited by the national institute of standards and technology nist at the world trade center nist reported gas temperatures as high as one thousand degrees celsius within its report on the world trade center destruction it's important to note that these are gas temperatures not the temperatures of solid materials but one problem with a maximum temperature cited by officials is that there are many eyewitnesses who claim that metal had been melted at the world trade cent and we know that could not have resulted from these temperatures here just a few of the eyewitness statements that were made the first one is from a man who worked for john skilling the design engineer of the world trade center towers he said as of twenty one days after the attack the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running a chaplain at ground zero said i talked to many contractors and they said they actually saw molten metal trapped beams had just totally been melted because of a structural engineer said i was shown slides of molten metal which was still red hot weeks after the event another doctor from john hopkins school of public health said in some like it like ok you know but on the left here you see molten metal pouring from the south tower and and being pulled from the debris pile at ground zero the world trade center site nist said that they found no evidence molten metal had been present it would have had to have been aluminum from the plane this was not the case as one can see from these photographs on the right you see the difference between molten iron or steel which is yellow orange and molten aluminum which is silvery grey when poured in the daylight the temperature required to melt steel is fifteen hundred thirty eight degrees celsius and it's far above the maximum gas temperature cited in the official report so the solid temperature evidence for solid temperatures are much higher than what officials say the gas temperatures were in a structural files  fire steel temperatures lag behind gas temperatures for a number of reasons including the thermal conductivity of steel the effects of convection in the fireproofing that's applied achieving a steel temperature of fifteen hundred thirty eight degrees celsius at the world trade center would require gas temperatures that are well above fifteen hundred thirty eight degrees celsius and far above the maximum of one thousand degrees celsius cited in the official us government world trade center reports this and other indications demonstrate that the nist reports did not address the evidence i've seen evidence of the previously molten metal myself in the form of metallic microspheres that i found in nearly all the nearly do world trade center dust samples that i've examined here for the micrographs that i took of the first examples that i received in two thousand and seven and we extract particles from the samples of world trade center dust after such findings could be used in a legal proceeding at some point in the future we began asking that samples collected by these independent sources be accompanied by documentation that recorded the date time and other necessary information including sample location each sample was provided with this information as well as the signature of the collector and sometimes a witness as well the process evolved into the use of use of a standard chain of custody form which i've used for many years myself as a laboratory manager i have extracted the metallic microspheres and other pyramid kinetic particles from the dust in several ways on the left here you can see what the content of a typical world trade center dust sample looks like under a microscope this these photos are at one hundred x on the right are photographed micrographs of particles that were extracted with a magnet from the bulk of the same world trade center dust samples at the top of that you can see the many metallic looking microspheres and other droplets shaped metallic particles below that are examples of red chip like materials and other metal looking objects if we look at the first of the two peer reviewed scientific papers i mentioned it begins with a discussion of these metallic microspheres as well as the finding of semi transparent silicate rich micros the paper addresses to independently collected samples that were seed for this study both samples were collected indoors and shortly after september eleventh two thousand and one one sample was collected on an indoor window sill on september fourteenth two thousand and one just three days after the disaster while search for survivors was going on and in a building four blocks from ground zero the other sample was acquired inside a fourth floor apartment whose upper windows broke during the world trade center collapse a few days later how were such microspheres for as with water falling or spraying through the air molten metal forms spheres due to surface tension when the liquid is falling or sprayed through the air the molecules at the surface do not have other like molecules all around them and consequently they cohere more strongly to each other those directly associated on the surface the united states geological survey found the same iron and silicates fears throughout the world trade center dust and could not find an explanation our paper seen various explosive or incendiary processes are likely explanations our research team led by dr stephen jones and dr jeffrey for our brigham young university analyzed the metallic microspheres we found in world trade center dust by a technique called x ray energy dispersive spectroscopy or x e d s this is a technique that provided the elemental composition of the spheres in other words it told us what elements the spheres were composed of the result was that the spheres where we found were very high and high iron and low and all the other elements this agreed with the findings of the r j league group you can see the trace in the lower section on the left from r j lee and how it matches with a trace on the right from our team the temperatures required to explain this evidence listed here cannot be explained by the temperatures given in the official reports on the administration appendix c of their report provided strong evidence of extremely high temperatures at the world trade center in the form of highly corroded and eroded steel samples saved from the buildings but after they were destroyed fema describes samples of steel that had been thinned to razor sharpness in some cases there were inexplicable holes in the steel the fire engineering professors who found the samples could not come up with an explanation for it they also could not explain the sulfur dacian of the steel that is steel had been chemically changed at the micro structural level in ways that indicated the chemical eutectic mixture had been achieved between s iron and oxygen causing steel to mil's other evidence for extremely high temperatures at the world trade center site include the finding of fused medical metal and concrete artifacts like the meteorite as it's call that also includes the thermal hot spots measured by nasa remote sensing instruments that measure temperature via electromagnetic radiation emitted from the surface surface temperatures in the debris piles were found to be as high as seven hundred fifty degrees celsius a week after nine eleven as you've heard already today there's an explanation for all this officially unexplained evidence this explanation is that the thermite reaction was present at the world trade center on nine eleven and afterward in the pile at the world trade center site thermite reaction is an extremely exothermic chemical reaction between aluminum powder and a metal oxide the metal oxide typically hire not sight which you can see here on the left with a reddish color the temperature which thermite burns approaches three thousand a very celsius for some x years which would explain the evidence discussed so far in this testimony and below that's a photo of the ignition of that nano thermite and i'd like to show you again a short video but basically now thermite is a solution made an important thing is that the organic compounds generate gas when the materials ignited it does pressure volume work and makes it explosive generates gas of course aluminum is added as well if we take a couple grams of this nano thermite and put it in a smaller beaker on a hot plate and raise the hot plate to its maximum temperature which is five hundred fifty degrees celsius this would cause the material to ignite well and a loose lid to the baker to demonstrate the pressure volume work affects that the expanding gas should produce even with this very small quantity it should ignite and ignite rapidly and cause explosive gas effects that can be see let's look at it again as expected we did see rapid ignition less than a second take night at all and rapid gas expansion when we look at this is an important point when we look at the ignition residues there are striking similar to the appearance of the world trade center dust particles that works directed with a magnet from the from the back both of the same colors they show the same metallic microspheres and both exhibit the same kind of formations that suggest high temperature reactions or explosive effects there was a huge dust cloud that arose from the destruction of the buildings again you've heard about this it was similar to that of all kaino in other words it was a pyro clastic like cloud in appeared to be driven therefore by energy sources that exceeded the energy available from the gravitational collapse another striking fact is that the dust cloud was very hot and was burning people and setting objects on fire here are photos of the many vehicles that were set on fire or burned in the area there were also many witnesses to cloud being very hot and burning people as it passed by includes thomas menard from the new york new york fire department said the dust cloud hit us it got real hot felt like it was going to light up another man said a hot solid black wave of heat threw him down the block another set a hot billowing cloud of death chased us through the narrow streets of lower manhattan in conclusion i think this is the evidence that needs to be considered there are photographs and witness testimony of molten metal at the world trade center this cannot be explained by the temperatures given by the official reports there clearly were extremely high temperatures evidence by metallic and other microspheres evaporated m silicates in the world trade center dust fema reported findings of eroded steel and sulfa dacian which have not been explained officially nasa provided images of high surface temperatures again not explained fires could not be put out at the world trade center site there were unusual spikes in volatile organic chemical emissions suggesting abrupt violent fires and six specific dates an unusual species in the environmental monitoring data also corresponding to specific dates suggesting the presence of thermionic materials there were high temperature problems noted by the you know university of california davis team and there are similarities against throughout all of this to products of therm and then of thermite these vehicles were burned as if something passing through the cloud was setting them on fire and there were many witness testimonies to a hot wind and cloud so thank you you kevin ryan here in bloomington indiana i'm the coeditor of the journal of nine eleven studies people need to know about nine eleven with regard to the fact that the official accounts of nine eleven are false with the buildings the three world trade center buildings that were destroyed on nine eleven we've been given multiple accounts for example the pancake theory for the twin towers and the diesel fuel theory for world trade center building seven all of those have been abandoned and now we've got finally official accounts that are provably false through scientific fact scientific evidence is not a matter of conspiracy theory it's the same for everyone we can look at honestly and we can come to the same conclusions well i think you are but he should rethink nine eleven primarily because society has invested so much in the war on terror and nine eleven is the root cause the driver behind the war on terror and so not only in terms of financial costs we're talking about trillions of dollars in the united states estimates of four to six trillion dollars but also many lives in iraq and afghanistan over a million innocent people have been killed and so in addition to that you've got the civil rights abuses the police state monitoring of citizens they use of torture the moral loss that we've seen in our acceptance of the use of torture these are the kinds of things that should drive people to to look at the origin of the war on terror why the rethink nine eleven dot org program is so helpful i think is that people can get involved