president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about him as a new member of the statement that everybody uses a cliche of let go and let god i'm not going to talk about that tonight going to do is i'm going to explain it to you and the concept of passing your sins on to your children and how your children control you when you're a parent and why that all takes place now if i can do that who got it made as soon as you let anything that happens to you aggravate you you know most in the world aggravate as soon as you let anything aggravate you and now if you get angry at your spouse because of what they're doing and you react out of anger resentment and neglect something that moment that you give energy into that because the very moment you fall the rest of the yelling is desperation because you're and that yelling at that other person to get them to stop doing what they were doing that aggravated you to make you yell is the very thing that they're using to control and after they don't even know they're doing it because they're dumb but they're not so down that they don't know how to do it any time they want to people afterwards wonder why i don't get involved in their life what i call the ten percent level it's very easy  i remember years ago somebody was yelling at me and i said what i do this is smack in the mouth they start young i'd smack them in the mouth the person is that how do you do that i said i wasn't me they said the next time you do that just a smack in the mouth and it was very shocking to them to think that somebody would hit them in the mouth when they were so righteous in their judgments and that's why the reality to get my attention i didn't believe it don't you believe don't believe that i also don't advocate hitting people but the best to get even with somebody when they start yelling at you is to observe them no reaction no emotion no anything just observe it's devastating i'm sure you people are performing better nightclubs you know you're giving up are you doing your comedy act you're cracking jokes nobody is paying attention to you at least we've all seen movies of partridge that when the people just sit back cross their arms and just observe devastating but very very effective and once again the more money you give him to the aggravation that because that may be are they ever get out of you and the feed on your energy yelling have you ever noticed that a lot of times people will upset you and the more upset  the better they feel they're what we call energy vampires and the more you give up their energy and and if you're going to learn how to handle that it's best to have somebody who's got a perfected teach you there's no need to go to somebody who hasn't got it down who can't do it time and time again you're not going to learn the lesson so you instinctively out of your level of perfection seek that one who can perfectly teach you what's going on i watch these people struggling through relationships struggling through the day and beams those spiritual i'm glad to do that though because i just keeps me busy there's a reason to do on every other was due tuesday when i'm in town to come here and sit discussed do the things that you do in your life and then you wonder how come i sometimes i would like to repeat to you the words you say but i'm afraid it will sound just like you and it will start reinforcing what you're doing so i don't say a word while you do that have you ever noticed that when you get somebody angry and they start yelling at you that pretty soon you start yelling back your evil has come upon you the very thing that you fight has now overcome you and you are that thing and you hate it tobe god how you hate it you hate it so bad that you hate yourself for doing that because it's such a hateful thing to do to give in and yell back when the best thing would have been to do would be to sit there and listen to what they have to say the very thing inside of them that you resent you become and because you become that you're not equipped to handle that and so you scream inside all the more when they're not around and then to justify it to punish yourself for the terrible hatred you have because you shouldn't hate and so you have to punish yourself you'll abuse your body or your emotions or your mind and sometimes you go around spend lots of money to show them and all you actually end up doing is demonstrating your entire weakness and they come around and demonstrate to you their entire control over your weakness and you hate it how you get out of it well i'm not the type of person like to talk about cure i like to talk about prescription prevention if we do this and this and this one that appears do this it's like why tried it didn't work it's like i know but you're so accustomed to and that's not a compliment no way not a compliment it's certainly not a judgement because i didn't come in this world to judge it but i'm afraid that too many of you have to judge everybody in the world and yet in your judgement you lose your own salvation you can't get clear of it you're so trapped by the  but you look for all sorts is it excuses to justify also why you feel that way it's called rationalizing i call it irrational thinking the other day i did something and one of the staff members mentioned and they said i said something else they said well remember you're either allowing that or creating it or promoting it now see there was my chance i could have been very resentful of them and resentful of their correction i really needed the correction could been very resentfully i could've yelled out them who do you think you're talking to your life i have your soul dispersed back to the adams new star from the amoeba and come on back up again i didn't think of all those things because i had already thought about that a long time ago so i just refreshed my memory which means what they also have allowed and created them promoted and i didn't say any more after that there's no more to be said why it's true i had not allowed it and you see after we were not doing all three were just doing one or particle of that primaries because we don't have the ability to create but we can allow it because that's procrastination and we do do that the interesting thing is assume as i was said to me i realized that right there we had a darn good subject for seminar very good because often those who love us will correct us and the man of understanding maybe doesn't like the correction maybe certainly nobody likes to be told you're not perfect certainly but the man of understanding also recognizes that this level is not perfected yet and you change it not resentfully do you change it because of that we often then resent the one who will and that one comes disguised as the blessing it gets difficult to instruct your child in the way of life in such a way that they say i am so glad you told me that  thankful that you my mother my father loved me so much that you would not allow me to get into that but you explained it to me but i'm not so happy that i did that now let me explain something to you about this when you enter into meditation spiritual exercises that's what i'm talking about and all you see are what we call the beautiful things of your being thus you are was shipping a false god because you know as well as i know that you got a lot of things in there that just are not there to be lived with that you've got to correct and get them out so often those who follow the teachings of the traveler find that after meditated for a while things come up that really seem horrendous it's like i've been meditating now for a year and also all of this drunks coming up geez i mean i and you don't get the fox from me the not you feels terror feels anger feels hatred feels all these things that are terrible and you know the not you by feeling by feeling you know it the that is not you inside of you you know because of the feeling level and when you know truth and reality it's got to disappear it's got to go there will be no place for it and when it starts to feel hatred resentment you'll consciously feel that same thing because that's how you feel it and then you try to handle the hatred and resentment and there's no way you can handle it because it's not you continue to feel like you've got an entity or you are an entity or something and so are you do then is feel the terror feel the hatred feel the animosity a dent to fight with it and shoot it right back in again and it lives off the energy just like other people live off your energy and just like you live off their energy you leech yourself isn't that a terrible shot they are doing you're undermining your own existence you say but gee i'm afraid of falling i want to spiritual exercise but this fear comes over me so yeah that not you doesn't want the real you to know what's going on because it's going to have to vacate in a hurry and it's fighting for existence and that's the child of negative power call and popular christian circles the devil called popular spiritual circles negative power the call power and it is implanted in you it's very beingness that the first time you react out of balance  got and the first time you react is when you do not pass up the temptation to judge him and when you judge you ate the apple and the worm has turned its inside of you isn't that interesting it is the most diabolical deceitful thing on you and you're so smart you want to look at it you've been doing it for centuries well years there's no way you can get rid of terror by giving up more terror well you know another trick a place you'll be meditating and it'll make you feel so loving because you're doing something wrong you'll make you feel it's so right that you lead yourself astray and try to blame me and i'm the one to tell you that wrong but suit yourself because i have no control over negative power and negative power has no control over me it's not a truce believe me it's a royal battle it's  but those that i am initiating and i am taking into the heart of god are those that are going to have to be able to go there and you're going to have to stand up to the lord of negative creation the lord of mentality of the lord of emotions lord of your body and thumb your nose at it and step into the so but listen carefully because this is the ego trip now you don't know how to do it by yourself that's the ego trip but the true you does know how to do it but as ben saul disturbed by the eons of your existence then a feels hopelessly lost and confused oh really so what do you think i so well i think you've been awful busy this is your first life down there and you learn so many filthy habits how do you get so screwed up in one simple lifetime of a few years we said well obviously it's not my first live time i say obviously and it might not be things in our physical body and you know what that says to somebody who is spiritually evolved you have been a pat on a pair of disobedience you have disobeyed the very commandment that was given to you at the first time of  carnation and that was to love god and to love the neighbor as yourself and you didn't you condemn the neighbor and ranted and raved at yourself and c god and you come in now with the discipline on your head and you hate that also but it isn't my doings friend don't look at me look at yourself in the moment of spiritual awareness we don't tell you do these do those are the rules or regulations we say these are the guidelines that will set you free a lot of people really get upset because they were they did tell me that i understand not getting a person's lane they'll kill you but why another line over here is a so i will go off the road i said precisely they thought it was a rule and the regulation and the confinement and a bondage was a guideline to help wealth and happiness and the difference was in the the beholder you go down the road there is no yellow line another car comes to you often wonder what part is yours what part is there's the soft part of the shoulder can you go how far can you go and that quandary causes you blind course that be the best the best response and you're the obviousness of what to do but you see that doesn't work because i did that once and then we went down there's the store and they were taken inventory that the store was closed but they were in and the hour still held courses or why didn't they tell us that didn't ask that then do all the things that we should have done so we punish them we didn't go in the store it's like well we can now go and beat down the door we can tell him he's a really a nasty guy we tell you all sorts of things that we'd like to tell him but we haven't seen the serious of our figure out what to tell him let's drive around look and see what's here become amazing some of the things we found is like boy i'm sure go get stuck in that store for hours we would have had it's like wow that guy was all part of the plan to get us down here so we can look at these other th how neat but now when you call yes the questions and you try to get them to tell you if they're taken inventory or not it's important that you get enough information from the person so that when you move on not act on it when you move on and you can move with a certain amount of clarity that you can move with a certain amount of certainty but you'll never know until you get to the door how all that fits because they may have closed and gone to launch two was before you got there if it can go wrong it will if you can be misled abused misused you'll create if you get somebody upset you are promoted and you allowing all that take place the first moment you a to your spouse are they should say is you then you see the second reaction first see what i'm talking about then we get this right just as i am holier than thou so therefore i can tell that i want to do without self and they say and i'll tell you where you can do afterwards and before and in the meantime then we start getting into this thing then when you kiss and make up that that you kiss and make up to is that one who now can manipulate you and control you from th it happens then when they have the fight just stand back and say you have a good fight don't even say that that's also a reaction of goodness and the reaction of horror like all the fighting oh my your son has been doing to me your daughter in law and i want to hear hang out you react when you hang up there be a reaction because the emotion will be there or i wish they wouldn't fight oh i wish they'd get along oh i wish i wish i wish doesn't work so what i do run around the block go do some work sit down some of the light react to the situation that you have no control over and if you can control it you're manipulating them and you're falling to go just as fast it's like god this is hard to live this is very easy to live but i haven't given the prescription yet i was diagnosed illness pinpoint the disease you want to prescription are matter who comes in the door they're going to get a blast with  that's a little late but but we can salvage something and that is immediately submit immediately submit given and if you fight and you win they're going to be undermining you from that second on who wins in the fight nobody wins anything else we hope you go a long enough so you just couldn't talk so you just couldn't argue and then you would just shut up have you noticed that if it's not ninety percent it's one hundred percent of your problem is your mouth the other percentage is your b how do i do that it's better question how well and you say gee here's all this fear i think they're going to leave me and i'll be all alone in this world what will i do well you're already alone so yeah i am i'm alone here and how are you handling that fearfully is the terror that came in well not too bad i could do with a little less how would you do that how would you get a little less terror less fear well i suppose i just don't bother my head with that that's a good approach how about not bothering your emotions with it well then i will feel like i'm alive or don't worry about that you'll be alive and they're part of you they're not you that uses your emotions to maintain its designs upon you starts to die and then you become fearful of dying then you write with the letters oh dear i feel like i'm dying am i and write back daily about that i was like i'm not getting anything out of here that's right you're not you're not going to control me i mean if you leave me like you have everyone else because i just observe how do i do that you come in you go out you come in you go out and see who's out there said somebody that came in and went out but don't you feel anything draft and they went out thats it don't you love them has nothing to do with their loving is the transcendental consciousness what you call love is your emotions welling up inside of you and that does happen and that can also be a signal of divine love but usually it's a signal of reaction the or i'm so tired i think of the morning such a beautiful light and then they say something else you think it's all the same friends you know they're just  and i've got you going you don't need or want to bet how much i see there's a second proof a plane any tune i feel like anytime i feel like it they say how do i stop it you can't you that's doing it can't stop it because you don't know  always the new game and how do you handle the old game you just observe what they're doing you observe what they're doing is talking to a beautiful person recently and she was concerned that her husband mr bring up on her and she says well i call him up and i ask my husband well i don't want to be the last one to know i feel like a fool act like a fool you look like a fool i don't see why you shouldn't feel like  emotionally to everything and they're a person can't put up with all your emotional lives so they back off for a little breath of fresh air and then you think they're not loving you because they got to go bring something that's not stagnant stale so you turn around and dump it on your child and your child sick and you wonder what's wrong you're visiting the sins of the parents on to the child but i don't want to do that don't do what you're doing right now them don't react don't get mostly involved oh what am i doing to my child all the wrong things would be the answer but what's interesting when that child gets older is going to try to change you mother is going to change your father and you're not gonna let it change you for anything because what on earth because it possibly no at all the terrible things a kid does and who taught them we did obviously obviously we taught them all the bad things they know and how to do it and who pray tell is raising the children in the early years of the life in the society and you think that's not a great responsibility to keep the old man cleaned up soon get along so that the child can grow you never make you're a bad you never hang up your clothes you never never marry and so the kid gets rebellious why because you're right it's not that you're right that they resent but they resent you they're in a state of rebellion against you what makes you think they're not paying attention  and who is going to handle this who's going to handle fathers not know what the child is doing though is doing all those things so that you will nag them and give your energy so they can take the energy and live off it and when they get older and they move out into the world away from the nagging mother they're going to marry a nagging wife and play the same game do the things that gets them upset so they dump the energy and you can take it and live off it and then we wonder what's going on and that's why i say there's nothing going on there's nothing happening it's the same all stuff just over and over over and and then they leave that wife and they go and they marry a second wife who ned and then leave that wife and marry the third the fourth and fifth nathan the ten and you see what kind of room they're all ne it's like you know all the old negs run last in the race and we're talking about the human race how do you handle that well it's really quite simple just love them unconditionally which means what no reaction no aggravation no giving way at that first moment of want to give michael sandwich not giving way when you say well look you're not so smart bad breath there's all sorts of ways to have discord in the family there's all sorts of ways for you to have a fight and make up a fight and make up a fight and make up and all that is distraction from going in and dissolving the air inside of you by observing what you're doing not attempting to change it because you can't change it but you observe it and that observation laus the light of god to shine through on it and to understanding you see precisely what  this is hells heaven and it rages against the truth of god right through your mouth energy by way of your emotions manipulation by way of your mind and carries you by way of your body he don't take my word for it for a second but if i didn't describe you a little bit here tonight would you just raise your hand let me just see if i didn't describe you what i did not describe you some particle said yeah i remember as i don't well i should have said it's like watch it just observe this light what did they do they walked in the door saw me sitting there and obviously turned their back on me and and that was a slight and and  i didn't like that and and so i got hurt and and i didn't really give them all that i should have given them because i was hurt and and they knew that and so they slighted me more and and i finally got fed up and i left so so i won you lost they won they lost what happens you get to do it again now you got to do it twice i want to do it again three times what is it why should you care what it is because i hurt observe your hurt where is it in my knee here what happened was i walked out i bang my knee on the door around or cripple no but you can yeah i can i lose no you'll have the arthritis you win the arthritis but you lose health wealth and happiness it's like well how do i react in these situations you don't react how do i let them know i'm there and that they'll pay me and i'm livelihood you do you work how do i get a raise you do the work very well what if they don't give me a raise resented zagat of the raise no no how can i let them know i would like that you they didn't tell me ask when does this happen what else do i have to do to get that can i afford to raise the debt may sound strange but you get to a certain tax bracket you can't afford another because it wipes you out it's like is to give me a raise well you just pay for my gas give me a credit card yeah yeah there's ways to handle this can be to your advantage but you can't gain the advantage when you're emotionalizing a mentalizing because you're already conning them and manipulating them and you're going to get yours whether they get theirs and you lose no if you go to an employer arrived a husband and you present them very carefully your the thought out non controlling non emotional is in process the new presented to them way over fifty percent of the time they're going to be in accord with you and i didn't say they're going to go along with you but they're going to be in accord with you which means now you can negotiate now you can talk to them you don't talk to them in terms of a scam you talk to them in terms of that that you're talking about you know say well i think your wife would be happy if you did this that's a scam resume my wife has nothing do with this it's like i will be able to produce better because i will be able to do this and i will do this and i will do this and i'll keep my word and you're talking in terms of that moment right there and then and the boss it's back and will observe your work habits to see if you deserve it and when we sit back in just that that that was invisible to the conscious i then becomes visible then you get to see who's really exploiting you and for what reason and in my surprise you the things are put in pictures in magazines and on television the subliminal perception that takes place and why you react so horrendously the certain things and then just by gazing at not wanting to see not attempting to see but just seeing if you can see feed your action film they place you in containment and hold you and pretty soon you start mellowing out then that mellowing out the lie starts to move through you say something on usual is happening to me that's probably the best description then about this time you go home you go in bed long comes this purple think it's like what on earth was that and the guy comes sometimes all you see is the purple ball sometimes you don't see that but if you don't see it don't react because you'll never see it what can i do to see it observe what you're doing with your mind with your emotions observe the way you start scheming on things observe how you put the make on people observe how you make your spouse fight with you deserve how you demand against them and force them in the corner so you can win  i think i did what i said i would do in the beginning who didn't john rogers closing words where they shan't which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i e dot au r g or right to that which is post office box five one three one three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for joining us