now in the one doing it to bring down all the gods you know and the guys came out of the woodwork the soldiers they came out and they were sick i got my face and he was serious as you want to live how much time ok well he was sitting on the bench next to me we got to go to the program well ok well and welcome welcome to the conversation series with dick shays a retired navy seal officers you can see and he's also public access producer and welcome welcome dick very much to the program and in the audience dick cheney is a former c e o officer in the united states navy and he's also a producer here demand in and we made him the other good beginning raise into what you see now that i progress all the yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah still working yeah right right right i'm juggling a cough drop in my mouth that's ok you want me family warm setting and everything and no yeah yeah that's great that's important and stuff it was beautiful person also ok i'm died of cancer when i was about ten sad yeah yeah yeah she used to do all the canteen stuff yeah we did that and yeah picking the cherries yeah and then when she died my father w picking their own fruit in the trees and they had started spraying then yeah which wasn't around before that and then they you know and they always were in the habit of eating while they picked you know the some of the cherries d so you were raised there went to school there in the tape in high school how was it that you came to be in the military if we could did you did you go to university or anything like that or you know went to college did you take a can build your own and then you had to follow the directions carefully and then you'd ever radio that had the quality of a sixty dollars radio if you put it all together my friend next door to me and my dad was a lawyer he was a dentist son and he used to do it every time w put it together and you put part one part two part three and solder this do this every step just go right away and every time just worked beautifully i tried three i never could get it to work because i just threw myself at it and just messed up but i wasn't very good at anything without it go or be bad writing good we're born to talk i guess so maybe have to go on but so you do you majored in that did you did you take a degree or not or yeah  i got a bachelor of science radio television radio would that be technical that's not like oh yeah it was done it was on camera running the cameras all right so you got a lot of background for doing and that's where you got a degree and that yeah ok and that is happening and then i know it's on your resume and so forth that's important grounding right and then how did you come to be fifty and i stayed in california for three years but tavia you know getting a degree right and you had you got your degree in radio and television and it was after that that you went into the one thing you know and so you had to go and write right and then i decided i wanted to be you know i wanted to go to see it like that better than being in the army for two years but when you signed up for the you had to be navy called gung ho no no you weren't ok that there would be people who were rude yeah yeah the mission and everything you know the military you know where it was just a sort of opportunity thing that you saw and to get out of the now i don't know the navy the army the marines were noted for being very very physically rigorous in everything i just barely got through the basic i mean that training yeah i wasn't into it at all i was good you got through it it was very strange us from detroit and somehow i got i don't know how the hell it happened but i i was the worst i used to murder i just use humor to sort of cope with it you know because it's get back in the ranks you see i don't understand why yeah i know but it was really funny because it got to be where you fired the rifle and for some a kid from detroit never had to get anything like that and i think i got the high score they like not to sergeant york or anything like that but it was i couldn't figure out how the hell i could've done it i don't know but anyway i did it i just got through and then i got sent to puerto rico and good duty and everything but we're talking about you're all going to be looking for you know maybe maybe maybe but you got into there and you became an all tell me about that where did you go you you said where you went and training new work without anything like did you learn what did you for months isn't very long lunch in march and you had to it or no when you when you finished the training if you went through you have to get it three years more so it's three years four months three years and foremost told you so ok and so you went through that training and then t but anyway so so that what you had to learn some specifically had learned how to fire off and i did learn how to drive a tank i can drive in him forty eight tank when i was above having to learn any of thirty minutes of the same fighting thing oh yeah that was yeah and it was so you did that and so then you became you were an officer and you were in the navy and the train you're still in training when you go after the duties in the army i think don't you know i don't know i just wanted to go to see you did want to go to i never was in the army why did you want to go to c b s think and i just figured it gives you some experience and go into other i'll get less time you know do this in the army in the navy or maybe just so i made myself pass the course by looking around and i said well i don't want these guys post to me and my then my fellow classmate yeah yeah so i just have to for the whole time i have to go in yeah and then once you're in the navy when did you get in and how does the procedure by which you became what is known in my way of thinking you are an officer which is and then how much were ranked did you achieve in the time you were in you were in a short time and then also how did you come to be as i know you did from your bio a c e o because when i think of the seal i think that up there with you know  portsmouth ok and we're a little creek for jenny and you had been aware of that when you were in our regular officer of the navy and you were aware of the seal operation and the underwater demolition was it something that wasn't even around  it wasn't or it was just a borning came in about sixty three about when you came on top you were one of the st then right or yeah early stage right and what was it didn't have a reputation or anything like it does know that there wrote the comic strip or something yeah found out about the seals being in vietnam so he put it in the comic strip and that gave away something that wasn't was known at the time there wasn't anything comparable into the fleet that would have been or the commander george washington or grant or anything there wasn't anything comparable to that or current series raiders i think was the st ones to do it like secret little bunches of  u d t i'm sure it was a movie out the fragment way back with i forgot who is in it at that time when it was just a boarding when you were just coming in at the early stages of that didn't have a reputation or anything like that because it has a reputation a very  you were you from your youth or just when i wasn't really a good swimmer i guess you know i have to be but you have to endure endure and you got to be fast enough and you were physically strong yeah there's a lot of physical thing to that walked down there after we got on the plane we done a month or two month or two or whatever at the base and he put us on a plane for three weeks for getting other training puerto rico term secret service aren't sure what that means whether there are spies that or spies that i have things this is like swimming in the night and putting mines on ships and things like that that you want to impede  that so that kind of activity military activity is something that is associated with bond or something or yes secrets or d things that are known to the general society like an invasion also it was just like you had to they want you to quit if you're going to quit they want you to quit and they want to drive you to that as with the instructors are doing there were they're pushing the limit now is that a limit intellectually is a limit physically what is the limit that they're trying to have you are limited in terms of what do you think ok what were some of the things in the lecture you had to be pretty bright or you had to be able to handle graduated so i don't know how many were officers but we went in eleven out of how many out of one hundred and forty seven out of one hundred and forty seven there are only eleven who graduated know there were officers that were office in forty one of us a graduate one hundred and most of them were eliminated right that's a pretty big ring a bell when you quit what in the end did a drive you so hard to where you finally say i quit i can't take it anymore is that the kind of thing that yeah you can did guess i mean yeah i've been through it they just go for you know it's for me it was just like i said these guys made it through this i'm not i'm not going to get out did you say no no never never never smoke and that helped right because you're good and you're young so you get physical strength and you've gotten through officer training for four months and you had to have some smarts about your that you had a degree right so you had some of the character is see you're you have to be able to make a decision but there's an elite quality to the c e o then i'm trying to get at what are the characteristics the end there are now seal team six that took out osama bin laden were all elite tough so i just said i love new york so it's like i just like being around and doing things and this is one of them that i did you did that and then ok ok and then we were you are patriotic yeah and for the american cause right and for the good in you for you want to be on the team with the good guys and america was the good guys and all or is that is there a secret qualities or the things you know you're all things you can't talk about yeah shows things i should try to draw out of you now in get on camera i'm making a joke weather is perfect in san diego all the time right why did the eskimos stay up there you know were they live in a house that's made out of ice and they had somebody were there for the mouse's of years and all physically comfortable not being a c e o you did you have to put up with a lot of hair rassmann and all that you put up with all of that and why do you have to put up with all of that like an eskimo take us out on the beach and blow things up all around us you know for what motivates extraordinary behavior on the part of people one is patriotism i guess if you're patriotic and you feel you're fighting for the right cause against the bad guys you've got bad guys you're going to go and get and you've got a mission you've got  had to crawl under i didn't like any of that i didn't like going into the major in a room where you had to have tear gas didn't like that you know them well people are different i guess there's some people to do it there would motivate people to do things that are really dressing and putting you into another kind of thing psychological thing you know you did see duty in vietnam as a seal right right could you talk about yeah ok so i got i got into the seal one west coast and then the time came up again and i was due to get out we had a tour so over seas or something and i was due to get out again and i said well i'd stay for vietnam so they extended me vietnam was coming up soon and then ok yeah so i just i guess i volunteered and went for her sta and i was in charge of this fort yeah yeah well you don't need me i was just trying to think of yeah right right right yeah yeah ok well it was quite an experience what was your attitude toward the war and what is your attitude toward there or one of the things is you're one of the problems dick richard richard you're too damned interesting could talk for twenty five hours we have a litter near time but what was your attitude toward the war and then we want to get to the fact that maybe you can look right straight into the camera now i know the end of this your camera you do television look into i'll take that isn't a great because i'll tell you this man is central and we want to get to that because that's kind of a that's kind of a transition there but what about what about some seal to santa of the  oh i can tell you all have because by the time when i got out of the service i got here to new york well i stayed there for three years but i'd get home you know when i got st got home from vietnam and these people would ask you all about it and then he know he wouldn't even pay attention to anything he said anyway i don't understand what you people that you're visiting with you know you go out at some dinner or something and people say well he was in vietnam and i just you know they'd ask me questions and things didn't i tell them but mostly they were they didn't want to listen to it anyway they just wanted out of the whole thing they wanted out of vietnam yeah but what we did as a patriotic person was driven by patriotism were you for the american expand work in there and your buddies and everything you didn't people and all of that or were you were to people who wanted to get the hell out of vietnam and thought it was a mistake it was both because i was in it i was going with it and then i'm finding out as i go along with what's going on here like the whole country motivated the money motivates things experience and everything like that and then when did you get out i mean out of the service when i buy from vienna and but how many years were you total in the store and i have four and i have total as an officer and i think you really acquired your so very who were officers sir you know that's a that's that's that's a religion even to everything like that and i congratulate you and then being and it's interesting because most of us don't know people who are in this special category of john wayne type kind of things where the people are really pushing the envelope of masculinity maybe in a certain sense but you know it's legendary the seals are legendary graduates you're on all of that and everything and we all have to move along as in the tyranny of the time and i wonder if you are right a friend of mine john mccann i was explaining to you who was an irish fellow who used to go out with me and get me in trouble all the time because he was such an you know i know that's not your career seriously if you're not of that nature or anything like that i'm sure but anyway he was the official state santa claus for the for the for the state of new york for m rockefeller and everything but you are you are for a long time been santa claus and you use it he is real is real it really  no you do understand what i'm saying yeah you know what i'm saying here movie guy ok so movie that would be a great movie scene you know like john you know it's like it's understated i'm really tough don't mess had the rather tough questions about how i fly around and be in so many places at the same time and i tell them i travel by magical reindeer most of the time unless the all that stuff and what they should do leave the carrots i tell them and apples and chocolate chip cookies of course for santa kids get into their personal problems one of them just what do you want for christmas and she says  i just want my mom to be happy i just said well she she will be you just keep your attitude bright no live and you're very special for me when i was a