the shows for twenty seventeen i'm bob brown i'm the moderator tonight and with me are two of our regular panelists on this show marilyn campbell and janet stern and tonight we are going to discuss a film that's in theaters now i don't know how much longer it will be around its foreign language film directed by paul a well i think maybe we'll be discussing genre you know our the course of our discussion because it's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is it may be a thriller it may be a massage an escape or maybe women's resistance rate best plays a woman who is a an executive of her own video game firm surrounded by pathetic young men and she the movie begins with her being violently assaulted everything else is so unpredictable yeah that it makes the film fascinating so you can't say that it's beating her down she doesn't seem to tell anybody about it but then surely she does i i don't know if you compare this with other films i can think of a couple that i've seen one now one of the connections is that the director also directed basic instinct where you also have a discreet charm of that which was not because these violent surges take place among the beautiful decor and then very polite dinner parties and the hostess and the etiquette and and then all of a reminds me of some of those french films this is no one really likable but everybody has if not a dark secret or some psycho psychological impairment sometimes profound there it's not that at least there whiny creatures or they're not strong they're they're not resorts full they're deluded deluded or they have their religious fanatic like you said so that's another thing you can't really pick anyone in the film you would want to see more like that's what makes a good satire you can't really do a good satire if you're right the characters you have to have a distance and i think that that's another thing the movie plays with there obviously scenes where you don't have distance and then scenes where you do so it's a very sort of you sort of feel battered yeah in the movie not only because of the violence but also because no one seems to react to the violence in the way that seems at all  maybe surprises herself to the extent to which she will go to get shall we say satisfaction or enjoyment out of things that she didn't realize she could up to a point and then at the climax it was an accident there's a very telling look on her face in the last few minutes of the film just as she's about to enter her house and i talked with my wife about this at the end and said do you think she knew what was going on yeah i mean she has a sense of what's happening and and i think that's why isabella vera's perfect and because these kinds of roles because just along takes on her face the look she gives people she can be well this is maybe reading too much into it so stop me i think that what happened with her father who as you said is the series was a serial killer now in jail she was betrayed by him because he young as a little girl and really betrayed and now i thought that and again i might be on but i thought that she ultimately she was trying to get her own back on men and she found the man to do it had she found the man to do it to get i don't want to say it now she says something to when she hears about it but she goes to the prison to visit her father he says something which gives her a tremendous amount of satisfaction about their sorry you know but i think i  it in business isn't like yeah exactly the same way there's a show on t v i don't know if you know it called holden catch fire which actually was like hold and catch fire it has the same premises this believe it or not two women joined together to form a company that creates video games and they're both kind of rivals at one point one is sort of angling a little bit for the others husband but they're both the power women in charge of men interesting premise that takes place actually at the dawn of the video game rather than this where it's fully developed and you've got all kinds of you know it's clashing over how things should be portrayed my wife said to me you know the women on your show are going to hate this and i thought you know the funny thing about this film is it has so much that could be either disgusting or super violent or or very misogynistic as you say and yet it is as funny as hell i mean i  well it doesn't really work out that way as you say but but but for a time because it's at the point she's first attack and this isn't much of a spoiler because it takes place you know ten minutes into the film at the time she's police because the police are not going to do anything for me because she is such a name of the me that's right she has bad taste she goes to the police and and they're going to treat it like oh you know someone wrote the feed on your house of car windows at her and various things have happened there and the police have done nothing to help her and it's extreme to say they would also do nothing when she shows up raped and with you know a big black guy that they also do nothing but that's her attitude and if the police are not her friends and that she has to do this herself and whether that's putting her foot out maybe she's putting herself out as bait to see what she can do yeah her motivations are not all altogether clear time but then interesting lee neither anyone's there and at the very very end the weight of the culprit says to her well thank you for putting up that's true and she's a you know also like like her father something of a rigid religious fanatic or she's very devoted let's not go as far as fanaticism and the other strange thing this is and also weird thing is that at some point she makes one of her subordinates pull his pants down all ok his penis and she said you're not circumcised and she didn't looking for someone who was italicized more in quotes because it does parody that sense we have of the french you know that it's kind of interesting because originally apparently the original novel was set in america and we're really yes and pulled by a french writer though that well of course real estate in the us angeles area is also has real estate plays a part only to who owns the apartment and who puts up the money for the apartment and whether or not the apartment has two bedrooms or one the thing that's french when i saw her park her out he and smash it into the car behind her on purpose and then smash the bumper off my wife said to make since we've taken several trips to paris and seen cars squished you have a she said that's how they do it like you bob i assumed that that was just friendship working technique so it turns out it's her ex husband ashes we were trying to figure out why that look so for me yeah the scene i remember is where she picks up her son at his fast food place and it's actually on a street facing the luxembourg gardens behind that that's a very heavily traveled intersection right there but the mcdonald's is really around the corner rather than on that street so if you like france and harris and you don't like french people film for you you know i have a french son in law and i have to say after i watch this movie i was thinking of writing to my daughter i know men because the men in this do not come  guess so so that was part of the you are is that she comes out and says what other people won't say and also the way she manipulates her ex husband who is falling in love  doesn't get along with at all she says do you ski because the coverage has a scene that you know now the way you're talking about it it really was funny it was i was i was surprised because when you're into the film in the first couple minutes you say the cat sees this action and it's extremely violent and i thought oh for this to happen you're on the edge of your seat guessing when's this going to happen next but between it are a lot of laughs a lot of things that are just kind of a put up and you're never able to tell where things are going to go  that that's what we're to imagine is the next stage because you have this sense earlier in the film that there was an interrupted moment that could have gone somewhere except that well we don't know what sort of that you feel in some ways that show for short films by local filmmakers local to this area who will be coming in talking about the films and then they're going to show the shorts and then they traditionally every year after the oscars are