welcome wasn't very very much a conversation i had been away for a while to those who review in conversation five with busy with all kinds of other things but really really really pleased to be able to dear friends of mine from about a one thousand years ago and my boy are thinking about conversations on this december th of the year a questionnaire of two thousand and seventeen we're going to be talking about a great person of that time and we're going to take an extended look at things if we could indeed two programs that his representation or rep recognition of the important works of some of the major thinkers whom maghrib mead and others including particularly buckminster fuller and john mary working so very born in scotland i came to america night in sixty was a culprit type bacon lots of money and all the rest of it and then one day i met john mcconnell and that kind of changed my life a bit and he introduced me to the un and got me involved in issues that were noncommercial because before that i was just running  said i realized i was a hood that i was part of the problem and i wanted to be part of the solution and john had a lot of really really cool stuff to talk about so i kind of followed them around for years and then  you know kind of helped him out you know he was getting on and helped him put on the event at the u n and it will help build a society into what it is today which is quite an exciting global event and not just special events but following a lot of the u n and they should haves and trying to do a bit you know to save the planet clean up the planet and you know make it a better in and out of you know different press press offices and also just the different missions and the idea that he had was to have a holiday or a holy day for planet earth know it is on the march equinox which in the northern hemisphere is the st day of spring the original one was held march twenty one thousand nine hundred and seventy right mark very well ladies and gentlemen that with the support of the united nations we have held the event at the moment of the march equinox for reading the children's peace spell and there it's three times that we ring the bell for peace justice bells around the world there are there are there are many and in fact there's a group called the world peace association that they are tracking all the bells around the world rudi and we're hoping to get a good response for next year because for two thousand eight hundred dollars going to be on for that purpose at various religious location yeah yeah yeah how many of them are there i'm not sure but the biggest one is in lexington kentucky really and it's huge you really yeah and so the idea was just to have shared to accuse trump of you know sexual abuse yeah so well maybe i'll get rid of the bargain well the only one other thing that was on today's news is it's the anniversary of the paris climate conference and and other u s corporations and citizens are simply up to the plate to say no we want to be in and want to continue to make this a little like world and we do worry about climate change and resources and th extinction that we're in the middle of right now we have the capacity to destroy our world and we're better qualified that i don't think we have now can means no i don't think we have the how about life as we know while i think we do and i think we were reading preliminary conversations door talking right now on this program we have actual data did emon street said after two hundred thousand years of our existence on this planet as a species we finally got weapon systems that have a capability if they were to be unleashed to a limb and ate the entire homo sapiens species with modeling they can be modeled correctly and that that is the ontologic that we really need to go to total renewable energy and new york could lead the way we are we're in a sweet spot for wind energy we can supply all the wind all the energy that needed for the tri state area with offshore w what road zero from let's start here right now frodo he no no no no i didn't know that was his nickname oh but he worked at the pentagon and he was it he was a threat analysis he had the violent global climate change in the pollution of the atmosphere in the oceans is the major threat worse than war by terrorism or anything so the military is behind it so we started working with the military and then just to go back to today's conference it's being sponsored by france and the world bank so here's your financial institutions also saying you know what we want to be on what's the change that's happening right now there are more people employed in the solar industry than in all of the others and that is not going to change that's just going to get stronger the sun shines every day that should be our energy source what do you think john maybe i think i've heard some in our preliminary discussion  the waste separate subject some people want to fly back into the sun and then emulated it out of this that is a problem but however this is not just one type of nuclear and warmongers making bombs it's a complicated issue we look at the fossil fuel industry you know i mean transportation just the so much that's involved with an automobile is money and gasoline all over the place but what we need something sitting on fault lines i mean look at indian point just twenty five miles from us how could you evacuate new york city if there was a disaster is it possible for nuclear energy to be used peacefully yes and is it possible for nuclear energy to be you go to need it when you go to the stars when you go to the stars and it gets dark share it is why is it not being done if it is non polluting ok here is the economics  is andrew yeah people who are in the business with the infrastructure they don't want to change even if you wave clean energy up the nose they're not going to peacefully get rid of things that i make them into multi billionaire at this point on a strong team is probably ninety percent of the energy we which also means ninety percent of the business you have to think about money all right any money so people are starting to wake up and just say you know we need to transition let's you know you think the saudis have money in nuclear power plants they don't they have money in the oil reserves which is a olive oil reserves right here that's where the she between the amount of let's just say we're talking about energy ok well you know energy and as i understand it i love that bucky fuller you know and i think john mcconnell was really inspired by him i think the whole thinking world was inspired by buckminster fuller in a major way in which he was a comprehensive thinker any thought these things through and everything very carefully and everything but you've got another major story of energy and a is there the energy store of the weapons of mass destruction are in the united states of american fleet in russia and it's never brought up that we could get those is a source of clean energy i mean if that's a possibility i think it be good to now the same time you don't have it one region new york times and build analysis on this how many trees that we cut down to make the new york times you can make the new york times with hemp well hampers it good and i think y and he took a large bite out of things that have been accepted by a lot of people some thought and he took and he said that we were over time we were increasing the number of people in the world through technological development who could be seen to be a have as opposed to a have not i don't know how we support how do we how do we quantify what it means to be a have there are certain things that you can let nice to have a nice clean place where you can sleep and have food and all the kinds of material things that is there but the capability to provide that within a context our ability of of technological development to provide it and so forth or the capability of doing it ecologically we're there we're growing the percentage of the world population that could be seen to be a have as opposed to have not was growing exponentially in the th century and we crossed in terms of the world population projected into the future the point where there was a not that more than fifty percent of the world population was able to be seen to be haves in terms of our capability to provide life support to the people of the world and growing population terms and going on into the future and he said we crossed that line about nine hundred and fifty i mean seventeen  do you think we were what about this proposition that we may have been going through a major qualitative transformation in the level of providing life support for the human society with an ecological condition and that we were we were crossing a major line of transformation from historical context of inadequacy or inability to broad if you want to go back to the th century there was no way you could have provided what we call standard of living worthy of calling it having this we just didn't have the capability to do it yeah yeah yeah but those pivotal points usually have to do with production and making things and doing things new science and invention and so on so i don't think there's like one is money well wondering where two hundred thousand years species most of that time were wandering around in the world and is living on carrion or something or being eaten by cats and would take us down with a real are a regular that i beg your pardon i was a expression what is it about american intelligence well the dumbing down of america i just think our media has been consolidated into fewer and fewer entity's where do we get our news it used to be you know w you know the this summer we did the big oceans conference and i did the ideas that you know the u n was set up to be a forum where we ever there was a seat at the table for all of us and right now what is happening  and sanitation clean energy good jobs and economic growth innovations in infrastructure reduced inequalities sustainable cities and communities responsible consumption protect the planet life below water life on land peace and justice and partnership on the school that's all very idealistic yes very good yeah it was a well we're working as it was like yeah now we're going to get to the working out a show is what they're going to do on each of these issues and these are not just would stay there things are actually happening ok what's are some of the work that they're i don't know right well the oceans conference was number fourteen and despite the fact it's all being run by a bunch of bandits well people power that don't we give any credit to when i was when i was young i was born in detroit right entered boarding thirty five so i'm eighty two right so i've been around quite a little while but my my father was a lawyer  but the st word that came out feminism did i say that i already did i did feminism that's really coming to the fore but anyway it's probably been throughout most of that time has been a condition and we're the biggest club did everybody on the head and then they took over and they were the chief and they had the power and power power reale polity houris got the gun rules that's the way things have been but anyway she was a woman and she was the st woman ever to graduate from the university of michigan medical college eight hundred and eighty eight she broke the glass ceiling we've got a whole half of society that haven't been able to realize their full potential and i think them in isms coming on like gangbusters now don't you something like that it's a balancing and a rebalancing but we need women's voices anyway the point being is that in can be heard in the family lore and everything if you didn't th street that's in detroit and it that when he was eight years old mr ford used to tinker in their garage that's while before he could learn how to build a car but then he went to build a big factory made a whole bunch of cars and they put a lot of cement down and they got highways and then an automobile was that progress or was that now it should ryssdal be driving realized should we give some credit for that rather than just the raising them for having done all the things of the industrial revolution that are all around us joining your little credit the people who helped build one environment to make life a little bit better for so many things for dan was main sure that those cars were affordable to me that's right and so all five dollars a day yeah right yeah right you know i'm trying to say maybe we should be a little bit easy on the people who are some of the industrial leaders who did a great deal of good for improving to you how would you like to live without electricity i hope we don't have to do what i know but you understand what i'm saying is we sit here and complain we didn't know how your life is improved so it's not so hot i but i think one of the things is cooperation is what ok help us get through this and i'm reading a book right now by rebecca decosta and she talks about can we think our way out of this evolution says is that instead of having you know this like people in their silo thinking and and wrong well it just falling back on belief systems instead of insight and she is very hopeful that we will be able to pull this off w anxious you know where you think they always have been oh i guess you know i when i grew up in the fifty's no yeah but you were young in the fifty's when you're young you're very very good for a carefree and all that sort of thing but then along available to us in a way that we ought to take note of and so forth or are we to time a qualitative transformation do you think or something and did this nine hundred and seventy have any meaning it seemed to have meaning is from pick that that was a major year transform ation it ought to be brought up in some sort of order rather than just thought ok just another year away and it was a time and energy to be celebrated or be due to be thinking about a moment of transform ation or thinking about qualitative transformation is characteristic of the time of which we live rather than just arguing let's be good you know all i can say is i'm glad to be  this is the st time and this was it was the quote i was saying before was may they may their only be peace and cheerful days to come for a beautiful space ship as it continues destruction and rapper arrogance or something yeah nobody nobody nobody is taking care the devil in the videos of all this yeah right but ok that's beautiful you've got all that stuff because you know if your day years of doing it you know it's great and it's a great being a candle in the other way and drab world and one of the things that we over the years tried to do is to highlight what we call earth trustees select individuals or groups who are actually making a difference to can the international coalition to abolish nucular weapons he just spoke december th at the ceremony in oslo again to me that is an important issue yeah we really need to get rid of weapons and have a extinction the rate of the demise of species each year is staggering it's like it's beyond the bloody pale  to clean up the mess because if we don't it's really simple there are certain people believe it's too late like for example nasa had a lot of really serious people that actually actually like humanity will have a center gravity wheel so they don't lose their muscles and all this and protected from bombardment from space believe it or not by a barrier of water that it's really interesting because if you had an engine made of antibody you get the moon and seven seconds it's really fast if you think about it