should wake its conscience and look around them this is the only okupe left in modern history what a shame ultimate focus recently spoke with ambassador manual has sassy on the head of the palestinian general delegation to the united kingdom born in jerusalem has a c on received his ph d in political science from the university of cincinnati he spent twenty five years as a professor of political science and international relations at bethlehem university and has served as a visiting scholar at universities across europe and the united states has saucy on has published over one hundred reviews articles and chapters on topics ranging from palestinian political culture to civic society and palestinian refugees he has served as the president of u next goes palestinian european american cooperation in education program known as the peace program he has also represented and served as a consultant for the p l o in numerous negotiations we spoke with the ambassador about a range of issues from the right of return for palestinian refugees to israeli settlements we now present part two of this interview in term to talk about such an issue for the simple fact that factionalism unfortunately i'm going to say that as a historian has always been a phenomenon in palestinian national movement and i don't go back to history but let me just say a few words about this are accepting to become part of the p l o so in can in coming may we're going to have hopefully presidential election legislative election and issue if you look at the support we get from europe with comparison to doing that states they've got is very wide i see they're not alone countries you know supporting the palestinians african countries asian countries and what have you so i think is that cannot continue as i said to be a body a state and this has to understand if it wants to be a legitimate nation state in the middle east the only ones who would give them that birth certificate are the palestinians without the to go back to the origin of the homes it's their right to decide whether they want to go where the would accept compensation whether they would like to be part three it in the third in a third country in the host country whether that would into the occupied territories and that's why the question of right of return is very important first those refugees have the right to come back and they have the right to opt whether to come back or to have compensation their one point six million an instinctive you know manner to the palestinians and i think we have learned our lessons from the past forty years that peaceful resistance is is is the only way for us now as the international community and we know that is that doesn't care as long as the u s is supporting them this does not care as long as it is above international law but we care that the international community should wake up ninety you and resolutions have been in favor of palestine and none of them have been implemented look at the all resolutions that came against iraq afghanistan and what have you fortunately on paper we have been you know blessed with the support with the positive reinforcement but on the ground we are being still living under occupation even if we have one hundred  for negotiations we need to have a third party that could push the israeli side to understand the reality is to make peace with the palestinians now because god forbid fifty years down the pipeline i cannot see is listen talk about negotiations these are negotiations these are talks you exchange ideas you throw numbers i throw numbers but then define that and then this is you cannot judge any any side until they sign an agreement with specific numbers that says ten thousand fifty thousand one million two million now in the situation where we sit and and try to throw numbers in the oceans this is second t categorically rejected it we don't accept that but we would sit and try to discuss the concept once the concept is clear between the two part is then the mechanics and the let me tell you the united states with all its power and that germany has been the biggest disappointment for the by the stadium people because we always thought that the u s as a third party as an honest making there will there will never be a third party that would be an honest broker for peace saying that i think we anticipate the veto power that is that the u this is the time where the international community should wake its conscience and look around them this is the only occupation left in modern history what a shame to see democracies that  be democracies are really supporting fascist regimes like the one today in israel this is not acceptable by any standard so we decided to go to the united nations for full membership to the united nations through an incremental approach he wanted the full membership by going to the security council we knew in order to have our bit on the table for voting we needed nine countries so far we have managed to even to come on the table for voting this is the united states flexing musses using part of politics blackmailing blackmailing countries in order to pursue its interests of supporting and being the number one protege israel now if this doesn't work and it is not going to work because eventually if we succeed the veto power is going to be there then what would be the position of the united states that  vetoing you know the self determination of the palestinian people and claiming to be to be the third party that is going to bring the presidents and israelis to clinch an agreement i mean that is going to be very embarrassing we don't want to embarrass the united states and we're not waging a war against the united states we still believe that the only potent country in the world that could really make a difference in this peace process are the americans but we wanted the international community through the you and to act as a catalyst in helping the americans in taking more bold moves and less adventurous sick as israel is attempting to do in trying to bring th money to enter school so the question is not a question of money and i would say here from here to the american administration our statehood is not foresee and they cannot keep  congress with cutting it's for us they have you know thirty and us by cutting two hundred million dollars congress have taken that this is unfortunately but the next day the saudis have paid the two hundred million so the issue is not an issue of money and people if you go back to the road map you see the first the first requirement in the road map for palestinians is to build their security systems and to build an economy and they haven't done so as a matter of fact that expert that did the process of building more and more settlements so we're not breaking the rules and we're not putting new conditions is saying that these are new conditions citizens dumpty was same french guess we are willing to accept that that kind of an agreement but to control the settlements to control the built up area and to continue building settlements as an impediment geographic palestinian state this is not acceptable how are you going to make peace with me when you are creating new facts on the ground every day by building these concept of settlements so from that perspective we have said the sake of peace they want peace without giving up their land this is the intention of this present day government maintaining the status quo plus and how how could that work i mean when we are seeing our land is being every day through creeping annexation being taken from us and you see you know the demolition of houses taking place every day and the situation's getting worse and worse why should we negotiate why should we direction i see the future is very grim i see as i said this conflict is not going to end because you will be having six million palestinians living there  and if we talk about another five or ten years the demographic imbalance would be in favor of the palestinians i think is has to commit genocide against the palestinians if they want to get rid of us or they can commit holocaust against the palestinians but if they don't they have to give up with the fact that these people who are living on their land are not going to give up whether they would go up to us and live with us and build high toes psychologically will be always obsessed by the issue of security and i tell you my dear friend down the pipeline israel cannot continue to live by controlling the  because the united states is not going to be continuing supporting the state of israel because as we have seen history changing we will see history changing also with the downfall of the united states maybe fifty years maybe seventy years we don't know i don't pretend that this tomic one point five billion islamic people with the states are going to sit idle and continue to of the holy sites and i cannot see they almost two and they have billion christians also don't have access to go and visit the holy sites being totally under the control of one  judaism i don't see that i see things are going to change dramatically it's not going to be in the interests of the united states twenty or thirty years down the pipeline and that's why i