to know we'll struggle through and try and think of something we can come up with who can go and where it's good to see  welcome and welcome to welcome very much conversations pleasure to welcome to the program and that would and that word is a friend and he's a producer here at busy m and n and he's got a program really good program called thirty frames   nd and that been wanting to do this for a long time welcome very much to cover say it is really a pleasure to welcome to program fellow producer yeah yeah so listen we've got a whole fifty eight minutes to talk about the human condition and whatnot but i wonder if maybe you could share because we want to die new movie share you with you would with the audience you're back on where you're born or raised that sort of thing and then we can use that as a segue into talking about the human condition and but what what what what you what your background i the obvious they'd been born in fifty one means that i was about twelve years old when i saw the president of the united states president kennedy die you know as a kid i saw the  the block ok yeah yeah it's a great part of around there's a lot happening over there so i was privy to that and to the squad as movement and and i've been there since seventy eight  company and i'll come and harlem we need it will work and the super model no yeah you know you got all these absentee landlords running around things you know and it's raining and it was a bloody fight is it still like that or what's it like w is a god yeah eighty five years old been the better part of those eighty five years fighting forward the right man for the rights of people of color minority people elderly people poor people  ordered the less advantaged there ought to be a whole national with one story at a time you know on you know one soul with one building at a time but you know one building to be a model for others and for building a larger thing maybe i don't know it through through through bringing your attention and her play we have found out that a lot of the a lot of this because they try to like use a divide and conquer to be haven't the colonial powers always done that the british ran past masters at co opting and divide and conquer and the united states is trying to do the same thing in a very real sense domestically and some people see around the world might get around that but well some people some people are stupid enough to know when they're being b yes it's a morning show yeah that's the so we've now expanded to one building all right as we extend as we expand to a building if we're able to like like still people well take it from one apartment to a building to a philosophizing the life of the mind and spirit and he said it was all based on slave system where the chattel slave of the dead chattel slave say or it was and he said it would always be necessary to have the slave correct so that you can lead a life of the mind in the spirit and he said it would always be so until and unless the loom learned to we run now so much of what's going on in terms of the production now is not in rome of labor it's increasingly technological systems  and they take a pleasure out of it but if there's a system coming where there can be some sort of a transformation that that i argument does not hold except by these kind of warped psychological notions of sadomasochism or something like that and walk i mean it buses you're behind we are at the base of knocking people back into the face i see what you mean that's it yeah i see what you mean that's like some sort of ad eg alien dialect they do it or you five percent virtually all the capital i have and the capital assets are more and more responsible for production integration with labor so the only thing people have is to have a labor relations of them sort of a job to pick up leaves on the master's estate or something like that and it's getting back to like feudal time it it it really is really you know and you've got loyal retainers and you've got some people who will but the fact is we do that live in a democracy economically that's probably more important to most people than political things we get the vote or something but what the result will be among the population there like so many sheep birds something that can be led around so much which is too bad there are things around where maybe some of that conscience is raising people are beginning to get the picture better and public access i would say we're really look i add i add i want to get off the field but it might be there are i i just called didn't there was an article here because we're in a political season or come up to a presidential election and you and i were chatting earlier today it's really good to keep trying keep some sort of sense of humor and maybe repair to the comedy channel or get a sense of the news or something but this is an article i wrote i think i don't times article has not and it's a thing in the recent edition of the new york times magazine section and let me take it and sure it's going to be advised the party is about to be really engine neared outsourced and spun off by the part of the media the democratic party and the political system and so forth that there are these things like move on dot org and these organizations that are using the internet around and it's people oriented and public access in terms of the let's say just non commercial or the non profit making use of technology public access was there a couple decades before the noncommercial use of the internet but they're linked up commercial the internet right public access to our sister institutions which are in a certain sense below the radar or have been but there are emerging in public access is a real pioneer in that in terms of a place for the public voice to be heard and maybe begin to start having some real clout right well michael moore michael moore was speaking in boston at the democratic national convention  want and it has it maybe for those who are viewing maybe people are aware of it but public access is a thing open embody in manhattan who wants to come be considered to be a has been sure and you can come here and the thing that's unique about it in a certain sense seems to me we had a sign up on the wall right in this is no money need be a change here ever and everything is free right so they make everything available for free that and then they try to have as a trade off seems to be read or it's interesting that you don't make money right ok now that's the thing that really violates the i think of what motivates the most of the society which is all making the money and the the and and that makes the those institution yeah but is what i'm what i'm saying is they have but you see it when you're dealing with human beings like you you help me do a program i help you do that kind of thing when you do a little like that when you don't have that money thing among human being that i really think it makes a difference because those corporations are all run like fascist organizations by and large and senior vice president tells the vice president they all go about and it's like a skid marion behavioral maze they put people who are and that informs and structures the whole superstructure of the society and this is a media thing that is the opposite in this philosophy and we've got about two thousand five hundred of these around the country and they're starting to link up by the internet we're screaming to the world and they're really creative stuff that is more likely going to become an out of this access road and the activity has i think through and the access room i would submit i'd ask i'd like to see would you think particular this out of the idea that the media did kind of a connection of people move on these other kind of things are going to live past the trauma of some of the political parties and so forth which are thought of as politics but it has a sociological implication and it is very huge and there's a link creativity is a funny thing because it is going to happen now you can do it with you got the computer you got to fight if you can get a final cut pro they make and available here's or but you get somebody who's got his chops they say in jazz and everything with their technical and they've got a narrative and you could put something together and zero budget yes you can zero now wait a minute think about that because the whole business is operated by you gotta get the financing from the guys would have the finance and the finance guys are going to tell you what you're going to do and they're going to set the pattern you better count that all of that it's about can be vitiated in this movement here of people oriented movement that goes even in subsumes political process needs and institutional structures and it has a tremendous potential does he no longer has m t v at his beck and call and you guys have cleared him lives of at his beck and call but he is prints and he can make money so he does these concerts and in the concert he includes the owns a large percentage i don't know i don't know what percent is but it's well over seventy percent of all radio that we listen to very staggering concentration of propaganda a possible power that they also use their do they control the radio when they control the promotion of most of the you know there was something recently that was right in the news or something big thing where they were going to put a bomb and and and they were at st going to use a bomb i don't know what it was move on oh it crews are putting on tighter now yeah they've got the patriot act they've got these kind of the they've got that and then they've also got this notion of full spectrum dominance to be a weapons going it's almost like a george orwell's sort of serviced world really that we look on we need back at we need all kinds of things in order to be able to to see it in a certain kind of way and they're all interconnected and there's a big something going on that  at all levels so that it's a huge systemic change like you said earlier the fellow in the boxing who's about to get in and the times on that from me bring it up but that february th thing he had last year they said we have two superpowers in this world the united states of america and in a certain sense this is a world public opinion could save the world right in a very real sense and that's more real than we would like to think that maybe some sort of an opportunity for us to start looking at things in  systemic way rather than divided and conquered way that they would have us look at people that are running things and that the pokes of the world may be too idealistic to think that the folks of the world who are not well serv of gated communities and gated prisons are actually going to maybe be able to get linked up in a way where they're going to matter in a world where they haven't mattered except as you know people to hamburg or you do you know i think maybe there's a real a real reaction to the overreach of the power brokers pirates that are running the world and that is going to come in the media and one of the big aspects of the media's going to do it this this this article is interesting bigger than the political parties a big massive thing that's going to come and affect this whole wide world do you think there's any chance of that that james joyce said dedalus a history of the nightmare from which i'm attempting to awaken you think maybe the alarm clocks about to go off among the masses of the people of the world saying we need says them a change that will lead to elemental justice and appropriate utilization of technology in the interest of the whole organism called the human society within an recently is that we couldn't do it that's right we couldn't destroy this so in our lifetime bros right in our lifetime we've crossed some sort of an x a standard or a lie in the evolution of the universe or conscious of that big things going on in this party universe and  being led by a band of cologne colonialist it seems that way in a very real sense and they're telling us that's the way it's got to be not now that and they're doing very well them they're doing very well that's why that's why they protect their work for the planet oh is it just the grab all you can and die in the world you know goes to hell so what you know we have to think more progressive that we live in a time that inherited big and it's signaling a transformed reality that the institutions that have coming out of history that we're not equipped to deal with not one of them might be we're getting to where we can take care of everybody that we reality that is not set within the institutions maybe the artists and the young are some do it because a handful of of people in organizations who are hell bent on controlling  i mean the technology we could wipe out the other tribe or something but now apparently i don't that should be something that should be study and i think thanks is that true that we have systems that if it's unleashed like the nd world war we couldn't do it  possibly possibly well no holes no you know once once once you st of all once you destroy the ozone it will be billions of years before life springs again i mean it was billions of years  is our intelligence agencies have been very good about telling us about iraq and other kinds of things they seem to be in the gang that couldn't shoot straight but they might be able to get some idea of what the x is dental that comprehensively understood reality about this space ship about where you see the whole thing in the system and then you want some basic data about that whole system or something and i don't know i would have anybody in the audience who could get to me basic good research can we now know that with the planet without destroying the other and now we're throwing words around blow up one half of the room we can blow up one at and we haven't gotten the point where we could have some sort of a thing that goes to the core of the earth and makes it go into smithereens and does in life itself which is even more precious less and that an assumption we have satellites in space they can target any object on the planet earth any object on the planet and send a missile up his behind the target it's likely that's  straight and they call themselves intelligence agencies they have no sense of empathy for the understanding of the cultures of the world and they're really very very tunnel vision and blinkered and that's because because they've got an ideological saying the were applied just how much capability we do do we have of taking care of the problems that plague mankind and the ecological context of rude jeez if we have a capability of making this planet god kno user going to rediscover you but he had a world gamertag resources and friends and everything far beyond the reach of what the intelligence agencies do they're very small minded but he's taking the whole there and then you know resource the capability technology  elegance of design all these kind of things and he came up with this idea and that there is so that we get a picture of what the reality is and so what he said we were transcending the situation where there were more haves and have nots by some criteria you measure that reality changes the reality is change but people will say well how come there's so much injustice and it's still there it's a lag the context or the latent capability which is in the air however it's been corrupted you know i mean what's what abo you look for the good and the other guy finds the evil and is the evil guy who has the money in the power to dictate where it goes  satellites in space all of these things were were probably wrong most of and enough all of them but most of them were intended to be balloons to humanity not not not abominations or they may  there and then that information should be available as an alternative to folks and they've got to be made available of instead of this there's this we have a potentiality so that they have an idea of the reality and not the reality of what exists because what existed a lot of unjust system of holdovers from the historical condition but what exists in terms of this capability that is transformed we may be transcending scarcity there may be enough for everybody everything changes within that context you know what i'm saying but something like that is just something i think about a lot and you've got these two sides destructive use because what's changing is the technology and the technological stench in the conscious and there's something going on in this universe along about now we're coming to the end of two hundred thousand years of human experience and we're coming into a new review feel that yet can you feel it that way yes so why don't we start addressing these questions rather than historical laden i mean the society well i have all i think the fact that you are here i think that the fact that you are you are here and and and doing what get it out it's proof that that that the humanity of people is not dead in fact people have a tremendous will to get it out there in spite  that thing back to that thing about it saying it's in a context that is not in that then now that at the outset for the society isn't a certain sense of are immune you're just doing something for nothing talk with you for fifty eight minutes is a direct result of people dying for something that they would never experience you know and so if i suffer a little know they're really good not only a dividing and conquer but co opted and also they live in a context where people have been slaves in a very real sense i mean chattel slavery but in a certain sense the notion with the assets all own by a few and everybody else is in a certain sense locked into a system that is like wage slavery the marx marx as we call it they got to do what the man say in order to be able to have that so what and they must do that and they say what i gotta earn a living all of these kind of things are locked into a condition that is not the condition of a free society or free individuals within it and the freedom may be blowing in the wind for people to be able to interrelate in something other than that market context of power what we're all here on on it's temporary visas so if i go down like a viking as well and you know what you might not be going down in value maybe the are getting to a thing where you're going to be able to get out of that context i mean freedom between human beings there's a way for human beings to relate that is not based upon negotiating money deals not work right right and that's where the greatest of happens if you start introducing money into a human relationship great experience and you missed it so anyway thanks matt very much for coming your pleasure so if you will come back tomorrow thanks again that once again we just scratched the surface of a large subject but we got into some of it and that article is worth reading now i want to bog these larger communication forces that may be bigger than the political and corporate structures that if you recommended this guy activity well no not necessarily but y