as i said it's a pleasure being here this is my third time speaking with you i'm on my favorite subject the floor only to have had an opportunity with my misfortunes i guess you would call it that with publishing paper saying that fluoride is neurotoxic a lot of happened since those days and i actually am quite pleased with the direction that i'm taking i no longer work with animals i'm interested only in the facts and humans and i am trying to help and the vigils that have suffered chronic for i poisoning so i'm here today to talk about the  problems of diagnosing and treating chronic floor i poisoning one of the first things that you have years ago nine hundred seventy five the handbook of legal medicine admitted that so in florida in the form of rep poison or roach powder this is such widespread use that it is a surprise in that there are no more reported instances of poisoning by this substance the fact the floor it is probably more likely to be missed and a routine toxicological analysis that any other inner granik substance may account for the apparent rarity of this type of poisoning the situation is this he was talking about a cute fluoride poisoning not chronic and acute which is a lot easier to recognize than chronic fluoride poisoning they weren't even looking for that so if you're not looking for problems with acute floor high poisoning how wonderful can you go in to diagnose chronic fluoride poisoning the diagnosis of chronic forward poisoning in the u s i call it the three d consider dental fluorosis a cosmetic effect so there's really no need to worry about treatment or if it's a cosmetic effect there are so you could make the teeth pretty and ignore it the next day is are the existence of soft tissue effects meaning deny the existence that it affects the brain or the thyroid or the kidney or any other tissue besides mineralized tissue and then distort the final thing if that i'd gnosis the way it's been done in the past they've distorted the bone effects as osteo sclerosis only and are still sclerosis is the favorite to benchmark that industry tries to use as being the only outcome that is important in chronic fluoride points in a and they use a simple tasks like x rays as you see here ppens relatively rare way and that's why they've used it as an excuse this area that chronic for a poisoning doesn't happen in the united states so metabolic bone diseases with osteoporosis fractures scalable deformities are still malaysia arc writers they don't consider a part of chronic or i quote isn't a i'd like to go back in the timeline and as you probably remember i've looked i've gone back in that timeline because of my experience with harold cottage and and his him being in my department so i've been interested and i've gone back and gone back and gone back to try and look at that development over the time and i want to start here you know know about the a da but i wanted to bring you forward with the a and what they've been doing over the years and compare in the timeline with what harold knew and when did he know what dr harold a distinguished toxicologist on the rochester team that they said were affected they had a whole list of them that inhibited the esther races fausta tases there's a whole list of in signs that they knew that fluoride what inhibit and there were also other enzymes that it would stimulate but going on in nine hundred forty four came the peach crop litigation and i'm sure you heard of that if you've read christopher bryson's book but it was a litigation that basically turned the heel around it with respect to what they do know how they deal with fluoride and fluoridation at that time and the journal of the american dental association was saying ements among children nine hundred forty four to nine hundred fifty though both the a b a and the u s public health service turned around and they endorsed water fluoridation fortunately some years ago it was found the the drinking water had a considerable effect in reducing dental decay and many cities in the united states such as san francisco cleveland and buffalo have added to drinking water and others doing it these these other effects that it was too great you couldn't floor to the water now how much at this time in the one nine hundred forty six to be specific in the classified documents he  knew a little secret from working with humans in factories that were being exposed to fluoride you know the fluoride affects were enhanced by metals but they didn't publicize that information ontario to carry it forward then in one nine hundred fifty five i'm going to go forward up to two pharaohs and where the an american medical association and how they then came along during this time to take the lead on fluoridation nine hundred fifty eight they said no guarantee of safety for fluoridation and that there they were doing no investigation as to the side effects or any complaints of there being a problem nine hundred sixty five the american medical association actually turned around a bit and indorsed the principle of fluoridation but they still you still wouldn't come across with any safety claims and that they wouldn't talk about any investigation of any of the side effects so the a m a was still silent and lurking in the background me well how much was very busy at  coming out with his publications and he was very busy trying to disassociate a q toxicity mechanisms meaning inhibition of glycolic and saddam's shock mild renal pathology calcium binding at acute and chronic mechanisms he was trying to convince everybody that acute chronic her cute fluoride toxicity is a very different animal then chronic fluoride toxicity and the reason that i had to disassociate that is because at that time remember we had a lot of nerve gases that were being used and fluoride of course is used in making  check system and so he was quite a because public way he didn't want chronic fluoride poisoning associated with the very well known and very public acute toxicity problems of nerve thought but he didn't say anything further and it was the nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty three that i became associated with him and so with his mindset he says the neurochemistry very interested in these in the fact that fluoride is a more potent than some of our indulgent us wore out and so he said well that's their stock but did he say anything publicly thousand they were all of a sudden urging physicians to correct the problem of people not getting m f more alive so they completely reversed their position and they said go out and make the correction make sure that the public is getting enough fluoride and that they're not getting exposed to some optimal levels of fluoride so here's the timeline there's a very big reversal here the of course he was thinking about this because he knew in his four with the war department and studying for eye that if you combine receptors he knew privately that yes there is something going on between fluoride and hooking it with metal and it completely changes the whole situation so that the public image  you know he fostered that knowledge he pastored that impression but secretly he knew that you combine fluoride with metal and you're talking about a different those response cur altogether we have to look and look at for chronic fluoride poisoning as a completely as a receptor disease you have to consider the dose response curve and the first thing you have to do the dental community and the public health i don't want to put just on the dental community has to understand first the difference between concentration versus don't the concentration is milligrams flora per liter of water parts per million parts of chile and parts per billion but that does tell us nothing about dose or how much is taken into the body that's based on milligrams per day or milligrams per kilogram per day the thing is just because you talk about give a concentration there is no control of the consumption so you have no idea what the doses so these inane comments on a c d c that one part per million in the drinking water will give about two milligrams fluoride ingested per day and they say florida should deliver say small and controlled dose of fluoride i would want before you can know what the dosage is you kind of know how much somebody tricks the for right dose the liver to say that no toxicity and effective at reducing cavities for all consumers the susceptible populations this important because this whole dose response because you don't know where and that dose response curve that there was since sensitive populations are individuals the impaired kidneys cardiovascular function diabetes individuals compromised immune systems and osteoporosis penetration of the cns and children especially less than two years have poorly developed swallowing reflexes and a pearl body weight basis children have three to four times greater fluoride exposure than to adults children less than six months old has skin thirty percent thinner they should not be exposed here's one case study that i am showing this whole thing nike they gave this young child was started giving sodium be probably contact dermatitis teacher reports of learning problems nine hundred ninety three the sodium chloride was actually stopped but she was too late she already had dental fluorosis seven years later she was another case report water treatment operator my name's joe was i'm from sardis arkansas i'm the choir operator clash of the industry's before in a should industry and the pharmaceutical industry they both have got their heads in the sand when it comes to foreign wise a fluoridation perspective perspective got this ostrich realize that pesticides water fluoridation pharmaceuticals workplace all of these are giving us fluoride exposures the total for i didn't take a still a no we inhale it we consume much that we drink it nine to two thousand and five the exposures to fluoride for children have been increasing all the way up and they all of those exposures we've been regularly causing adverse medical outcomes is about little over three thousand children every single year and yet the fluoridation perspective they keep putting out the same all propaganda fluoride is naturally occurring it's nutrient it's essential to the teeth benefits all it's safe and effective one of the great public telco achievements of the twentieth century and they've even said that the chemical additives used in florida ation delivers fluoride the well we don't have to worry about the contaminants and with those three chemicals hydro for salissa gas it's sodium  ride or sodium for silicate the problem is we get those chemicals from places like mexico that's where our hunger for salissa gas or this common and we've actually analyze some samples of that here's the metals that we found and here's a little aluminum these are all of parts per billion this was done by a certified letter and house laboratory in new jersey look at the arsenic levels that we're putting in just by putting hydro for is not this this perfect substance that's that's clean that's being put into the water and here are the salts the salts coming in there's not a single cell what i came a cold that's produced in the united states we get all of it from china and you know what china is like in terms of contaminants and the products that's been since into this country we had allies the systems and look at the amount of aluminum three often to almost four thousand parts per million of aluminum that's in those salts that there are for dating some water the biggest problem was was that the amount of aluminum done for years they stuck their headed in the sand from a different perspective they said did all the fluoridation perspective so all the problems that the floor i were nation had their heads in the stance is the same is true for the pharmaceutical it's a win win situation let the dentist put the floor i did in the drinking water we're going to take the drugs that are going to take care of the symptoms caused by the fluoride in the drinking water in the first place so we got it the situation demand we got to get our ducks in a row you have got a pharmaceutical industry at one hand and they're contributing parts per trillion parts for billion levels of all these drugs in our drinking water but they could say that the benefit is what i'm saying to have these drugs so you can't take the drugs away if pre trained as risky drug water stuff and so there's going to be a lot ability question that the pharmaceutical companies are going to have to answer to but they're going to turn around and they're going to point a finger at those who push more they should because these levels of these drugs are in the parts per trillion to parts per million range at the most whereas fluoride the drug that was intentionally added by the dental community was it they said and it was just a benefit the t v and it was supposed to be so safe and effective and the liability was pushed to the states so the problem is you've got this clash place this is what gave me and made me today i've educated and experienced on jobless