there's nothing wrong with teaching kids to be respectful of elders don't let them go around abusing people and being rowdy and carry known that that means you love yourself that means you're not  i don't want to go home no it's crazy world they're going to war drugs and they're going to load cigarettes and booze in class and they're going to want what they want if you let em have what they have if you gave in to him we don't need to be giving him everything they won't just because it won't hurt him right now ad g o o o this is the verb and this is the noun the mass to go i used to say was that the is that the scourge of the jews beaten somebody with a cane on their back no it's not this is the roman scourge it was the cat and nine tails that had pieces of glass and moan god says and when a man was beaten with that that was the most that's when god beat you with that it's a march to full baiting it had pieces of glass and bone and god says i'm going to scourge my children and you're going to behave yourself and you're going to which should have been begun with that cat and then tails instead of me put you in a hospital and had to kill you several times jim brown you want to do what i say not or else it's my way there is no i wait it's my way period when john wayne goes into the bar he says you need to come in you need to come out walking or you come out image of the likeness of jesus and it does not matter what man do to us in god it doesn't matter what god does to our bodies as long as he can get out attention and he will it's not if he gets our attention and he says he  god causes to walk in his commandments those are the ones he's going to beat he doesn't love everybody loves jacob and esau he so love the world all those words are got they are the verb form he said he so  conforming you he's getting rid of the central in your body and he won't get rid of all of it you'll have a theater layer of it by the time you get old but you will get over most of you before it's over with if you live to be a ripe old age you'll get most of you will go away he will take over that inner man will take over that outer man that's full of all that contingent and strive and he'll put you all these circles are like fiery trials when you're eighty eight you don't care that much about sand it's difficult it's hard work you know you don't realize how much hard work it is you to you know healing please don't  go down to the store please i don't want to go there you have it all these women do that but i don't care that's the way you  now notice notice that word love of whom the lord loves each ations in scourges and he only loves his wife and he say is there are certain people here he doesn't love by the structure of the senate who is whose son are what son and see what son is a whom the father does not jason and scared he says but if you be with that chest has where of all of manger illegitimate you know you're not mine he's saying if you're a bastard you're not because you're not skirting jason you know what he's saying there this right here is saying he does not love oh not all men in the world all of his children pos all that the father give it to me shall come to me the struggle the whole the whole point of this whole chat all of this book this wasn't written to vessels of wrath fitted to destruction this was written to believers all of god's children are protg ckers the whole context all is referring back to sons isn't it and he says all of the sons of god  subjection unto the father of spirits and leah's say we have to be subjected to our holy father the father spirits in order to have eternal life for  go looking back at their fathers of the flay for they verily for a few in our entire childhood and through our adolescence they chastened us after their own pleasure for whatever reason they wanted to but he our heavenly father for our profit pray that you will cause a bank to go belly up and god don't pray for that you wouldn't pray for that to happen and he's going to burn up and make you a single substance man and the majority of what's going to be in you i now no chastening for the present seemed to be joyous the chastening that we're going through doesn't seem to be much fun but grevious what i was going through back in the sixty's late sixty's and early seventies  i didn't think i was going to live through it it was was not joyous and i've had some other real hard times in my life but those are like living in a hail with the flames just looking up all around you know nevertheless afterward fruit of righteousness that's why you're going through it that's when you want to trace in your children it's going to yield the fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercise thereby we have to be exercised he has to do the odd get up  chastise children and make them walk right you don't love them they're going to get messed up you think well what it is just mess them up as a kid no it messes them up when they're twenty that's what it does to screw as they head up they think they deserve things they don't deserve and then they start cooking and cooking people all their lives and you know god can over come that in us you can get missed it but he can overcome it sometimes it takes  in the lips of him that hath understanding wisdom is found but the rod is for the back of him that is void of doing won't do with their toe it says void of understanding but understanding is doing is and so the rod is for the back of those that won't do what they are instructed to do and god is talking about his rod but i goes for children to look here proverbs thirteen bunch of these to you remember the one that understands the one that will do and that's the obedient child without being obedient you don't understand anything if your kids can quote everything that mom and daddy says they're supposed to do and not do it you kids know what they're supposed to do but doing it is another thing knowing what you're supposed to do annoying the word of god is not going to be it it has to be weighed down inside maybe somewhere way down in you she's got i gotta do this it's like going to work i gotta go to work i don't want to go to work but i want to pay the bills the end of the month but i gotta go but i don't want to go so i go to work i get there on time because i'll get there on time they'll fire me so i do  of that when you're young like a child learn the other things when you're young got a long time to beat me to get me over me but i wish that it had an instructor like you had because i did that's why i got i've been the most rebellious person i'm not being humble  i wanted what i wanted i wanted fame i wanted fortune i wanted me and i was capable of having it if god left me alone he wouldn't leave me alone god let me alone i get rich in the truth i am so thankful that i had the father i had because i wouldn't think the way i do if i had had to go through all that to be the man and say i don't want to be that kind of a man and when i was about twenty two twenty three i found the man who i thought was god didn't know what he was talking about i said oh god i got real scared i said what i'm going to do i didn't know how to get a job or you know how to do anything i was scared to even go out i found h me around the ball say oh do it that way i'd be gone yes sir you can't believe i was like that but when i came out it came out like a bullet i said that's it no more and i found that there was an intelligent guy really funny i hate to have to say on the praises of some high school teacher for turning around but they told me every day said you're real stupid you're dumb you don't have shit you don't grow up to be not that i'm the only smart when this family stupid as he had to leave me that's why i look at how you treat the the uncomely parts of the body of christ you don't know who you're talking to you might be your preacher one day in river and in proverbs twenty three that i read that roberge twenty three verse thirteen and fourteen twenty three thirteen and fourteen withhold not correction from the child for if the beta stand with the rod he shall not die it is not going to kill am that shall beat him with a rod and shall deliver his soul from its because he won't grow up thinking he needs his way it is impossible for him to repay and as they grow up mama let me have my way didn't have a way and i think i should have my way from now on no mistreat people and they'll kill people and they will they may never kill somebody but they'll just start sucking everybody they can along the way you know my father was a youngest of thirteen kids and my grandmother my aunts and uncles only said i said mama big my grandmother would let anybody touch baby harle course i would be around you know the catholics say give me a game each other from one to six years old have is mine for the rest of his life that is unless he's a lick they didn't say that they say they had his mind chasing the sun while there is hope and let now this is bible i didn't make this this is tough words and this is what god does to us doesn't need to make us do right look at proverbs twenty six twenty six don't spare the rod because he's crying when burning carrion own sides that i really believe what you should do you should make a child when he's when you're mad and made the best thing to do is walk away and come back and say unless you're stopping them from doing something but if it's something you can do this sometimes it's necessary to go in they won't stop doing something that's the goal there and spank them right then but never spank them in your anger sit there and calm down and think about these things go to them say son daughter i have to spank my spanking papa spank that has spanking because you doing what's right in jesus is pleased with this and then spike them given the right kind of spanking and let them know and come back after enough time has gone by and tell them you love them but you have to do that because that's what jesus wants you to do in their lives that's the real serious thing i believe too many of us have done it wrong jim brown your bible teacher here grace and truth ministries if you lack of free tape they are free we won't solicit you the tapes are free we'll send we send you one just call us at one eight hundred six two five five forward zero nine r six one five eight two four eight five zero two people ask us what do you believe that grace and truth what your statement of faith where we believe christmas is pagan it's the old feast of saturn  easter is pagan it's the old feast of ishtar and we of course we naturally don't believe in halloween and we believe in predestination but we believe a lot they were then a lot of the calvinist in the predestination as we believe god creates evil and that god wants everything to happen that is happening and we believe that god's light vessels of wrath fitted him for destruction and vessels of margy which he's for prepared to glory and we also believe that you have to carry your cross daily because that's what predestination is about and we believe you have to agonize over sand and you have to repay and of sand there has to be a new birth and we believe that bad business blood in the first century but baptism a martyrdom and we and when jesus said i have a baptism be baptized with he's talking about a death a martyrdom was called a blood bath does it and we don't believe in crackers and grape juice we believe jesus is leading the last passover and we believe in a spiritual passover and many many more things if you'd like to come and see this and learn more about what we believe just call us one eight hundred six two five five zero nin  r six one five eight two four eight five zero to come and j