president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years but after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about  this type of work is really difficult to do because there's no way you can accurately describe it and there's no way on earth that you can present it so people can get it in terms of i can show you a pen and say here's a pen or here's paper and here's a light bulb and here is a platform and these are closed you go go it that's it sure and that doesn't really do any good to lie to people because most people are already experts fact in my traveling across the country this time i decided that i would scientifically validate something that i have known spiritually and in my mind for twenty five to thirty years maybe even forty years  and it is a primary process with human beings humans lie not a question they do but no one likes to be accused of lying and if you tell somebody they're lying and they are they'll still almost kill you but for sake of honesty i mean as we always say check it out don't take my word for don't we say that isn't one of the primary tenets of the teaching to check it out ok saw following one of the primary terms of the teachings let's check it out shall we so we'll do it by an obvious way when i ask you the question you will just raise your hand if that so for you not if that's true for you because we're talking about lies vocabulary down so how many of you in this room have told a lie how many of you maybe told one the last week that you can think of right off hand good see i didn't see anybody sitting on their hands but there might have been somebody saying i'm not going to let them know the vital body raises its hand and we counted anyway so it looks just like you raised your soon might just as well have done that so i've been drawing sort of a hypothesis called to be a human you must and if you don't we'll teach you how then it's marvelous to think that at some point in a little girl some point she's going to go lying gets me what i want add on to who lives there know someone somebody tells you something it isn't quite well if you're going to repeat just what they told you it's really going to be boring and so there's just no need to but you know you're going to repeat it i mean we know you're going to repeat it we could do by raise a hand and find out that's true also i mean that's so but what we add onto it is our exaggeration now you know that if something goes through four or five people and you've had time at least to sleep on it by the time you get your version out it's a lot better than what you heard in fact you know updated to today even if the information is a month old and you say and today which isn't possible that it could happen the way most of these lies work so if you if i say i'm not standing here it's quite obvious that light doesn't work so it has to be i wasn't standing here yesterday but that's in the truth of the lie you have to find out what the word standing means and what the word i means and yet find out what my talking about when i say that i found out that  people are only lie sort of consciously they lie even mostly unknowing like you tell what you think is the truth because somebody told you then you repeat it and you find out it was a lie then somebody comes to says you lied to me and you say well i didn't i told you the truth because this person told me and i just repeated what they said and so what you're doing now is a neat way to sabotage communication in the community pass on what you don't know just because i tell you is no real reason why you should believe it nor pass it on as true the primary reference that i want with you people is if i tell you something you check it out and why on earth would i want you to do that rather than just believe me most people say believe you me believe this or here's the truth or you can believe what you want to but i know which is another way of saying don't challenge my nonsense wouldn't stand to reason that if i lied to you and you checked it out and you found out i lied to you that whatever relationship we had going would be going down the tubes real fast was stands to reason to me that a few told me that i found i was lying next time you talk to me and say talk to the back of my head i had to be walking out the door probably rude but then i don't really know how to gracefully handle somebody who stands a lies to me and i know that's a lie and then they're going to continue doing it and usually yawn or something like i'm not interested i remember once i started keeping time like this  it you're free now only that i was free now let's just do another question because this gets to be one of those that  it's amazing how they feel very good right afterwards then they get home when the wife says other husband says what was it that you lied about so that will be an off the ground type of communication with this information because since we know people lie and you raise your hand already we know that if i say i lie is that a liar is that the truth and if i'm going to tell you something of my going to tell you the liar the truth because i tell you i might lie or what it does do is a put you on notice that you've got to listen until the very end then when you walk out of here you better keep listening and then you better check it out for him and i were walking down the airport places to go to get to the gate the information can be an accurate but the idea is what i want you to get because i'll be what i'm going to ask you the question about and we're going along talking about just nothing you know while the way the time to get to the gate then you wile away the time while you wait for the airplane when you get on the airplane or it's noisy that's when you try to talk and while we're going by there he said to me something to effect well let's buy five hundred million or maybe it was like five hundred million dollars would be a good price and i said for what the gate and we're going to the gate we're talking about the gate for our plane and also it's five hundred million dollars and i looked at him and i looked back and i realize the people could have heard that and i said why did you why did you say that i got curious because i like know what the five hundred million dollars all about just basic curiosity about five hundred million dollars he said nothing really and i interrogated him a little bit i said well why do you say that he said well i said it to impress the people that were sitting down as we walked by i said but how do you know you ever going to see them again he said well this is a big seating area and there's a good chance they'll be sitting on the plane by us and if they sit down by me then they'll remember that i said that and i love impressed them and i'll be one up on them in the conversation if we talk and i'm sitting there thinking that's got to be dumb or stupid or very smart or it's gotta be something so over the period of quite a few years i've watched and listened where people will just up and tell a lie for no real good reason they're not going to get anything out of it except maybe somebody will be impressed by it so not you've had a chance to ruminate on that how many have ever done something like that we've just told a lie right out of nowhere for no reason  just take a look around the room ok people also lie for no good reason and to impress people they are i run into i want to talk a lot of it i go why on earth would a person lie what are they going to get out of it well i suppose there's a lot of reasons to lie and if they boil down to this i lie for my advantage and to your the amazing thing why people don't bother me with their lies it's a really amazing thing is very simple i do something that most people don't do when i hear information i just hear information and somebody says i love you i hear i love you somebody else here i love you and they're thinking oh how do i get you in bed tonight how much do you really love me but if you're going to do about all this that's what they start to do it boils down to this type of statement you hear isn't what upsets you what you do with what you hear is what upsets you and when you can't do anything with what you hear you upset yourself with that too how many of you have gotten upset over something you've heard about yourself or others and found out see what i'm saying is it wasn't true it was based on nothing you heard it you did something with it and you couldn't do anything with it and so you just messed yourself up for somebody else's lie now we don't want to stop people how many of you want to stop yourself from talking don't stop people what we do want to do though is not get caught up in what they're saying and they're right so i don't want to get caught in what i'm saying to be absolutely ridiculous because some things only i can do the fi tell you you won't be able to do it seemed the thing to me that was really disappointing about jesus as he walked on the water and that left a big frustration in my life i don't know about the ascension yet i'm not through but every time i've stood on the water i've sunk so i said does it ever do anything that wasn't worthwhile i said well that's one that for me wasn't worthwhile now other people are probably find a very worthwhile because they're thinking something big about that well i think if you know the law you can walk on the water i know the law how to fly in the air is buy a ticket  but there are principles that work and we have never come to the place of what a principle is and how it works in our life we should probably look at that  there's the principal called the authority you know there's a principal called the underlying action i'm using both words i'm going to put them in and you won't have to separate them out the one is the principal  lie doesn't matter most things you here aren't going to matter that's why i tell you the spirit speaking to you is more important than the physical voice you're hearing keep listening for that and you may hear it in a lot of different ways we talk about as the sound current so that we can tell what level of information we're receiving it from the spirit so we'll know what we want to do that i'm sure if you hear a sound that goes clank clank don't you know it's a level  lower than where you are right now because it's not one of those as defined as a higher level of consciousness the whole process of understanding the principle of existence and you're and i don't mean comprehending which is an intellectual thing we do if i say  what's nine times nine and you go eighty one that's intellectual but if i say what's nine and what's nine and why do you times and why does eighty one when you get it and you can come up with good reasons then we start find out the principle underlying numbers and how they work once you understand the basic principle of the planet everything you do at that point can seem to have she said minnie mouse and you get transform the principle of this planet is not the one that we generally have attributed to the planet what goes up must come down remember that one is defined as observable things that were repeatable independently of the person who did it scientific methodology well we know now what goes up  keep on going up so it's no longer a principle it is what we call new or information but the principle that is what i'm referring to can't change based upon newer information it can't change new information may amplify how it works and how we work with that but it still stays the same  that particular principle is change things change now one thing that we do in our public education today th rather horrendous in terms of staying with the principle of the planet is that we keep referring all of our existence to things in the past somebody says what did you do yesterday and so you tell them then they get to judge whether they think that's good or bad somebody asked me what to do do that's what humans do and say what have you been doing most your life correcting bad habits how do i know they were bad they turned out that way my when i first started smoking nobody told me as a bad habit that was what psychologist do in between classes when you're trying to pass an examination you go and take a drag on a cigarette slows you down and you drink the coffee  up down to taking things that environment into you instead of finding out how do i work and fit into the principles of life staying right here in the now notice is the precious presence this present moment is precious that is gone so you can even linger on it and it just keeps slipping away just about the time you get to is just what and so we remember this precious presence by remembering but we're a member of this present moment and if we re remember all we're doing is putting ourself back to this moment that's already gone we can't do it if we keep remembering and let's say that right here well let's say the edge of this chair is now the precious now and it goes by and i go with it and i keep remembering it and as the time goes by i get further and further in the past to what was once the presence am now living a memory of what used to be that no longer is because it's been progressing along the timeline of change memory you heard me say memory at best is treacherous and at worst it's a treacherous degradable terrible friend it's convenient for your point but it's a lie against the truth for the simple reason that their base perceiving what they're hearing they're smelling what they're seeing through the whole prism of your remembrance as am i saying what you already know to validate your memory i hope not my saying something new that will validate you tomorrow when you use it against somebody else who i hope not and my saying something that will give you they a hoss syndrome where eureka in you come clear in a moment of enlightenment we hold pray that for all of us and i'm i'm in the prayer by the way i never pray for somebody else i don't say and lord lead to my name was at the top of the list even though i didn't start out with me at the top and when i got the bottom when i said and put me there to really want to be at the top now when you're being honest with the large and what happens he answers the prayers and you know if you're being dishonest you don't get them and you stop and think about that very few people have a direct relationship of prayer to occurrence i like the idea of let me collector while i'm alive let me enjoy it now i was talking to some people when the business people we got into that side late discussion called benefits to the people in the company and first said well we want to give benefits they can have when they retire as they want to given the benefits of it now given the money now that they're going to get when they retire and they can do what they want to with it and if they blow at the end result let them eat it g that's that's really harsh as an innocent no do you think that they want to come up the point where they can't enjoy the money and then they got all the money to do all the things they could have done were they able physically to enjoy it or want to give it to him let them enjoy it and then see how they perform on the job you might find out you make more money they get more money and it was cold that's crazy but you know there might be something to look in to and they said well should we throw out the retirement benefits i said no don't do that and still has given a more retirement benefits given more right now benefits right now and they did that and people were saying our prayers are answered they were praying for more money and i answered their prayers for not directly but then whoever got their prayer answered directly once in a while once in a while you'll pray for somebody to call you and the phone rings with your hands on the phone and you pick it up and you say hello to their name and it's them only after i've prayed now sometimes you will pick up the them and you pick it up say hello but believe it or not you've already had the inkling that they're going to cause you and you've set yourself up and you've got a guest about that time and we call that a psychic impulse that it was them but we also had the psychic impulse and picked up the phone it wasn't them see that's that's the thing that makes this so darn hard because we want to because you got disagreement when i do this to the switch there's like goes on as the agreement that's understood so then you grow up through the room which makes you wonder what you've been looking at all the years you walked in there you should be able to walk directly through the room around everything to the lad the light turn on another one but you know i go what you do when you walk in the room you go in conscious was maybe somebody moves something where you live alone who moves it nobody moves things around much people are too lazy they go to the path of least resistance and try to function know that sometimes you can sometimes that's very effective humans will disagree with you i'll tell you why the path of least resistance is laziness and that works by the way have you ever put something off that you want to do or shouldn't do or must have done until one passed a time when you didn't have to do it works so when somebody says procrastination is terrible you go on not necessarily if you had the jobs i would have had to do had i gone to do it and then i didn't have to do it because i put it off long enough to went away you'd have been very happy about that also well this principle has gone up then something that is guiding it and that process is guiding it is called the attitude same principle of change as functioning in the room this time was moving by at the same rate for all of us some people can fill the seat to the bones or that where they're sitting others you were to where you want to chair very few have paid attention to the seat hitting the back of the back fills but now they mention to you where are your tension went there that attention that move there and back again is great what happens at times you're not happy are just declare i'm happy well really that's really all we're doing anyway because energy fall no new thing this microphone i'm talking to him one time was just a thought now it's condensed energy that's functioning a certain way if we can conceive now there's two ways i can take this given that we all lie we can deceive it given that we're going to try to be more and more honest with we conceive that we can reproduce it reproduce it meaning we've already got a produced in our thinking and our feelings and so we're going to re produce it out there we can do that you know was recognised in the bible and we have some bible scholars in here so what i'd like to do is just check my information don't check if i do word for word because i don't do anything word for word not even repeat myself i've always got something else in there people go oh you're inconsistent i go i know you've been listening that's great i'm glad to hear that course i think they would like me just to repeat it so they could go to sleep those benefits and that sometimes we get more out of a good night's sleep than we do out of a good lecture anyway i think it was right after the flood in the old testament they decided thing is under the kingdom of nimrod there are grown a group of these people got together and now that we can agree on it and they said let's build a tower to the heavens so in case it rains again we'll have a way out now fundamentally that's the air and structure because the kingdom of heaven is within so was the basic premise was doomed so they start building the tower now one of the producers and directors of hollywood made a circular my would have put elevators in at least escalators why walk to heaven of course if it's flooding i can understand the ramps i mean floods may short circuit electricity that lives so ya'll said now we get no complications of thought now we know why they had a ramp no electricity but they still get up there and there are god is up in heaven god talked himself an awful lot you know they said you know these people once they decide to do something they can do they won't be too long to they're going to have a tower into heaven and we're going to have problems on our hands we're going to have a lot of problems on our hands because these people are just an experiment you know it's got to be an experiment because if it was perfected there wouldn't be the mistakes so they said well what we'll do we'd better do something real fast what we'll do is we'll confound the languages and they'll  scattered and the tar will no longer be built and we'll be safe being god we won't be found out that we're not god and so they did that somebody said that's where the word babel came from i bought that i don't know where else it came from i've heard somebody say just babylon and i always think of the tower of babel in my sunday school teacher telling me all about that and the only question in the maze me is they didn't do esperanto in the dispersing of the tongues because that's a made up language then i realized maybe this tower of babel still going on all around us all the time anyway and we're just still trying to communicate and i have people at work with me and i work with them and i still go what are you saying they might as well go to google lugar do do do do what you wear and then i say somebody translate that for me if they do we got speaking in tongues if they don't translate for me we just got babel and i say that's just fine just enjoy yourself and i go do something worthwhile like fall over and cut myself up it's a that's going to give you something to do than to listen to somebody just babble doesn't work except for one thing what do we do most of the time we just babble about things it is extremely rare that we hear i'm not going to use the word original thinking in t of it was never thought before but original thinking means the first time that person's thought of it and it's rare to hear original thinking and original thinking when it is being shared has been said to be as orgasmic as having sex and they like it better there's a communication going on there's another underlying principle that is not as dynamic as change there is functioning here on the planet this is really difficult to get it's extremely difficult it's difficult to describe it's difficult work but we get worked out on it every day consciously by someone called relationships we're constantly involved in relating with something or someone else or with information going on constantly but when we're relating with someone we try to suspend change i've ever noticed that you're not as much fun as you were when we first got married fifteen years ago it's like i'm i'm older fifteen years i've been changing i got wise to you and i've changed you're not like you were two weeks ago what's up i'm older now that was a crisis i was in i went past that you're not and so are reference point is always been shoved back into the past to bring the perfection to the occurrence right now and it can't be a perfection because it's memory just can't be a perfection the perfection is change and so as soon as we love someone and we allow that love to flow freely to flow freely instead of holding that feeling like you're going to hold the smell of a flower we ever see people smile flower they just sit at the florida nose all day no because it will be too long until they can't smell the flower they get saturated they get an overload on that sensory input device so they move the flower away to give it a chance to change to up date then they go back again but we've been taught through the principles meaning the head people on the planet that memory is intelligence and memory is not intelligence memory is repetition of information what you do with it is whether you intelligent or not and if you hear on television or you read in newspaper something that somebody supposedly said or if it's a photograph to strew if somebody was an eyewitness how could they possibly be wrong or nice to do investigative work and to be an accident would say a b c the accident people raise their hand and you start taking statements from them and by the time we get to seven people you don't know that accident could not have happened they're just they describe something that couldn't be there i'm so i'm sorry you listen to  do i write this report this did not take place and two are dead and seven saat well i understand that if you're one side the street you see a little different the other side the street but when you get three people stand in the same place and they're all complementing each other story except for minor diversions that are major in their application then you're getting to the point where you realize when i say it's an ink blot world that there's a lot of truth in that but it doesn't matter if it's an ink blot world if what you're doing with your life is based upon your growth your perception your upliftment and people are glad you're in their life when people say i'm glad i know you i'm glad you're here i'm glad it doesn't matter what they've been doing not really because every one of us dirty  diapers some point if we're going to run any of the past on right now then you've got to go back to the very beginning of this life and run all the dirty stuff in with everything else chances are it's a real big chance that if we were to do the pluses the minuses the goods and the bands we would have a great big column a bad about our life and a very small column of goods which i tell you what you already know but just sorts of fishel there is another underlying principle on the planet first of all he said was change right this is for you people are forgetting the other was relationships he's the forgot the third one i wonder if there's something over there that makes your mind go blank yeah there's something about writing on this that makes your mind go blank so what was i talking about you were listening well but then i did do the feedback but there's another principle that applies to us on the planet and it's one that we really don't want to own up to because mistakes are valued the wrong way i know every one of you learn to spell all the words with ever without ever making a spelling error and you learned all that twelve times tables the first time to effortlessly and you raised your children perfectly that's why we got so much trouble on the planet we were raised perfectly and not allowed to be raised with mistakes now it's quite contrary to pop i mean i never started out to say this will be a mistake and then did it and then sure enough is a mistake now i was never dies so this will be good let's do this or why i'm not sure how  will turn out let's give it a try we'll see how it turns out then some place out there some gooney group gets a hold of it and changes it makes a mistake but there was a mine they did it you might say well what about the ones that came to you and it came to you and then you made a mistake yes i assisted other people in their mistakes but i never made any of my own i always had somebody out there horsing around with it even when i was going to cheat on a test the teacher didn't give the test that day was a mistake to prepare to cheat but it was a mistake that had a great value on it it would have been a mistake to cheat and get caught oh you don't think people cheat that's a princip that is one of the princip heart what am i saying when i say cheating if you don't follow the rules precisely as they are and you bend them for any reason at all for an advantage you've cheated right but let's just say that that will be the idea and then we can put it that we sometimes got more money back when somebody  we know your lies so we know you knew it been here have cheated on something or another my hands up to i want you to understand that these things go on in regardless of all of those terrible devious damned de boer behaviors god loves us just like we are oh that's remarkable  just he he says you don't have to change a thing i'll take it just like you are and of course my cheeky answer is you have to because you're the one that made it like this you're just reaping watches sewed it's not our fault we came down here and did the best we could to make all these things well whenever we've been speeding over the speed limit don't we watch in the rearview mirror for the  policeman we watch for radar cars down the road don't we watch for the little airplane painted in the middle of the road and then another one and they say you're being clock by rate airplane the sky would go that is not fair why is not fair just go the speed limit oh no no no i am not going to just go the speed limit i sometimes don't leave on time if you quit line and tell the truth you get out of place sooner well i don't want to hurt their feelings if you tell me they want to hurt the feelings you gotta leave now you have to speed you'll be late they might appreciate the truth from you we ever realize that things change in this world and time is changing around you so you set your clock and it goes off one of the most marvelous inventions i saw recently i didn't more or less see it as much as i heard it a fellow's pager went off in a meeting i was in we all know that if you hear the little beeper go off the person has to go to the phone how many of you don't understand that i mean there may be an emergency there could be an earthquake in california all the cars go off all the the burglar alarm devices on cars go off and all that garage door start opening and closing water sloshes out of the pool you're beepers bound to go off when there's an emergency and found out the person had to be purring he just clicked it in and had it set ten minutes the thing went off but self when his hands were up where but he could see it and he merely reached down to shut it off to dr raise attention to the fact that it was his beeper first so you must get their information is my beeper not is then the person left to make the phone call and you know if they don't come back it was an extreme emergency and so you go on without them which is precisely what they want you to do is that cheating or is that going with change are that have an effect of relationship with the rest very simple if you do things to maintain your balance you're not going to hurt my feelings because i want you to take care of yourself i really do because i don't want to have to do it for you while i'm lazy when i don't want to one other things i want you to do yours i want the freedom for me to do mine i want you to do like god he loves me no matter what i do and i want you to do the same thing but i want you to do it to yourself the same way and i want you to look at the thing called mistakes and realize those are just your experiences that didn't work out the way you thought they would when you conceived them in your mind and you dismiss them when you say don't do that again and you go on with your life is there anything else you can really do th that now you can beat their super out of your mind and castigate yourself and pick on yourself and it will not change what happened change changes it because it drops off by your tension and your attitude getting high and you say i learned and the learning is a change of behavior in the change of behavior is turning from what you did that doesn't work bible says repent turn from such sites and go that way you won't find me blocking you because i know that you like me were doing the best we can and i can look back on two weeks ago and see where i could done things better because i got twenty twenty vision also but i also got the wit to say now that i know what that is if it shows up again i'll do it better for does a better handle what i got now or that will be in the must take column by accident because i didn't deal with that as to if i did it wrong see wrong is just a word to give somebody an ego position you're wrong it makes me better look what you did to me i'm a victim that makes you better than the victim yells bloody murder because they want to be better but the principle here is keep changing keep growing keep lifting because we have to do that anyway and the struggle is and the hurt is when we attach on to that that's past and keep hanging on to it and its past it's over it's finished we let it go turn in a brace the future which is the presence here this moment is your future because out of it out of what you do here is going to come in the opportunities and it comes in by what you're doing here and now sets up the way opportunities are coming in so you can predict and prophesied your future with accuracy by watching how you behave right this moment and if you're doing it with a loving caring sharing heart god is going to take you more than just the way you are he's go his power and energy through you to other people to let them wake up to the fact that he's taking them the way they are isn't nice to know that's just in there and there's not nice to know that we all have atrocious behavior and that we lie and we cheat and we make mistakes and we're always in a relationship doing something to somebody or to ourself and all of that is just enlightenment so people can understand what that is instead of the mystery that they've got their mind john rogers closing where it's where space shan which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a 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