say among others of the new york nine hundred and eleven truth movement and it's grown in great dimension to fast we met him a while ago and they he and his colleagues are getting it started but he's got a great story to tell with a very interesting one and it's becoming panama and came here at a very young age four years old and raised in the heart for darien connecticut so i grew up there and then went to college in boston where i became a musician and i studied for music panamanian and so that's part of the story that we were in a province right next to costa rica about six to eight hour drive i would oh i do you want to you can now right these other things but that in the music and compositions singing is something important to you oh absolutely yeah ok good guitar and dave gaye gowd around club i done for i did for many many years with me now that i'm way too busy yeah the last  eight years or so for young computing working then the last three years plus with the movement so no i don't perform professionally yeah i know because you're so busy and you really very you hold it together in a very real w and eleven yes change all our lives and since then it's been all consuming for the most part and especially since two thousand and four when i became active on a regular basis  of standing there in front of t v as the towers were burning say to myself wow it's a good thing these could never fall that the fires were just not that big and of course they'd collapse so that was but it was bizarre and it just started from there yeah and you you had all room called project for new american century if you go to the website new american century dot org click on the link for publications on you download a document called rebuilding america's defenses you need this document and it talks about th they've got the title the best democracy money can buy yes yet on he went to florida and did research on his company called checkpoint where the database company that cleaned the rolls basically went through the the voter rolls and meaner like ninety thousand people most of them african american many were labeled as having been felons we are not working so many of them this was false information y so he proved definitively that that was a stolen election there's more on that so that was a coup these are the people the project for new american century people that seized power under you know george w and a year later after this statement came out rebuilding america's defenses which by the way they also said that in order to to to accomplish their agenda for full spectrum dominance on the american people would only support this if they were to be a new pearl harbor because there was so extreme was so extreme right and what do you do when you have this agenda to send your people into war in what they call with dick cheney is that word by word here wars lasting generations wars that may not work and in our lifetime when you have that agenda you have to have a catastrophic event to traumatize people galvanize their support and anger them to make them think they're being attacked into the same pattern that  we see from the hermann goering statement in the nuremberg trials when he said it's easy to send a country to war just tell them they're being attacked and denounce the peacemakers as being unpatriotic you know that's right the big lie that it if you're going to lie li but he gave the talk i went right home i read and write home and got down william shirer rise and fall of the rd reich as a way of getting in a pattern way and it was involved the nazis were involved in the burning of the rice dog in  three they put up a patsy but they were involved in that is their way of gaining power and by nine hundred and thirty seven of ninety seven percent approval yes of that yes fascist dictator yes so what we see here is fuse pattern  probably the most profitable venture or one of the top three most profitable ventures the other being banking the other being on oil and energy that you know the making of war the most profitable ventures the reasons for invading iraq the w m d yellowcake from niger the aluminum tubes and others they've all been lies now also if you consider the lives that were told that the us does not caught revealing the name of the cia agent valerie plame would immediately be fired also here's another one who with the george bush himself said no one knew the le i think i had them know it is about the coming of pearl harbor and the people here their people most people human being don't want to go to war not for the interest of you people who are going to make a lot of money from it and they've got their own geo political strategy in their leaders and so they either and the leaders of it because we don't live in democracy we don't live in that kind of a thing we live in a plutocracy and as the people have to be well you can way but people do that they had the gulf of tonkin thing they did in vietnam to get us into that yes they had the bombing of pearl harbor the nation wasn't ready to go to war but the leaders said the people poor things just don't understand that we have to do this and that that the roads early may have phone because it was thought to be huge resources around the caspian sea i think there are the only way to get out the oil and gas resources would be through a pipeline going straight to afghanistan to the indian ocean and this is all and he's part of a right wing and it's also look good now in connection to the israeli existential situation they see themselves in in order to have you address the wogs you know as the western imperialists or coeval as people tend to see the native populations around the world it was a neo colonial kind of attitude very much so the world don't you think yes i was very very much for you can i make interest yeah yeah yeah and it's all about domination the trigger for them and this is so important for people to understand i would just urge everybody to know inform themselves inform others and get active because we are reaping the consequences like a whirlwind on the through the and they're all packed in there was sort of like that in right in a way off so so we need free speech zones now this these are just a few of the consequences we've been reaping so i i urge everybody to get informed there's a great book to start used to people that are involved in this movement every bird a lot of who would be a major premise and there's a sense that is really hard for people to assimilate is the idea that they building the bringing down of the towers down and nine  does that weigh in your mind when you analyze that never before since only on that day three story three steel framed buildings collapsed and most people don't even know about the rd one building seven am not even hit by an airplane eight buildings again collapse meeting every characteristics of a window delish now how could that be what it what else could explain it and the speed just to be support for the speed of the collapse according to the national institute of standards and technology which was the officially sanctioned agency to investigate why the towers fell and the mist they said the south tower fell in nine seconds and north tower in ten nd ride south controlled demolition to bring them down there's no way fellows from you know from a rock or from from arabia or something could have come and smuggled their way into that the carefully necessary thing in order for that to happen nist still does not have a report on why buildings fell on building seven fell off now this is april here two thousand and six ok to go it's more than five and a half years now i believe the  t investigation will fema was there making comments about building seven they made a comment saying that it's highly unlikely that the diesel tanks in the towers caused the collapse do not have a report on why building seven collapsed and yeah and i think eighty seven percent of the people in the united states want to have that report that investigation reopened that's a good point i mean that he did but i know that the general population is that correct well eighty four percent of the american population thinks that the americans you know the government is either lying or hiding something or complicit and i'm sure a majority of those people would favor a new investigation m but that that's the thing that indicates a basic distrust of the system i mean they are in there in the in that so that eighty four percent yes and if you were to say let's say there are some questions that haven't been adequately addressed by citizens who don't take that position just that we want to know there should be more drilling it would probably get up close to one hundred percent of the people of the united states would like to have something along the lines of filling out more truth that kind of and you know head they're bringing it up if you bring it up just not on the idea that there was complicit or there's blame or there's political content just that there are facts the facts ma'am joe friday would say about a thing that is so definitive  would probably be almost universal support for the idea that we ought to have an investigation beyond what's been presented by our leaders about you thing you know am i wrong in that i think that there is majority without  furthermore kean and hamilton thomas kean yeah we haven't in the co chairs and came out with a book last summer called that's the without precedent in which they wrote this a big story this is the washington post and they wrote how they were lied to about the timeline of the interceptor jets nor norad yet how that defense system in that you know rough you can go a long way and say well there are happenstance and everybody gets to be beyon this idea about how just the investigation should necessarily be blamed for you know but just that the facts ma'am you know the facts i think you would get wide support but listen one of the problems is just we don't have much time we only have an hour to talk about a subject we could talk fold they don't as a matter of course a quick building maybe because to pull a building it takes a careful you have to do that deliberately they don't in the construction have built in system that would make it easy for that cooling process to go on there's a you know i mean well but they would have had to have people who were able there i know there's stories about how there were people who are today that mr bush crew that was in that building and so forth would make but they don't as a matter of course have that built into the construction major buildings when they're going to have to be pulled in forty years were you know and have it ready it down or the k down if that were the case wouldn't they have design thing you know people do now because the building going to come down some time and reported will build even as we build the building you know what i'm reaching for less is you ever realize how incredibly coincidental it is like was coincidental that th had an air they had a thing where the air force without over the ocean they had a war game thing going to just transfer the power with a machine change to make them all the things they're coincidental and that makes people very suspect but you realize how coincidental it is that anything in this that the parameters within which they burns and you and i are sitting here is it is it is almost geologically impossible that anything could exist what it took to happen in the evolution of everything in our universe is just totally improbable so we have to give a lot of leeway you want to give a lot of leeway to the possibility of coincidental things happening that don't necessarily add up to a conspiracy but just things that took place in a certain kind of there and if that is the way you know you want to give that kind of leeway in terms of the year and say one thing or certainly the population the general population ok is going to be have that view because the general population does not want to accept the idea that such a horrendous thing could be carried out by the it is a douche and that they're related to that going back to all the previous examples of government crimes treasonous crimes which resulted resulting in the deaths of americans in order to again manipulate american to thinking this case cuba has to talk to us to provide pretext to invade cuba and remove castro when you rich who still is going to want to have an end investigation of what it we can study all those things and we study them in the name of science in terms of a larger truth so forth and then also putting this in a larger context of what happens by accident and something happens he was doing so this is going back you know to the thirty's and forty's or so when you look at his example his david who would know better the eisenhower so to see where the under the influence of the military industrial car there or any overriding on text that would make it right for the real truth of this thing that you're burning or the nine hundred and eleven truth or that kind of thing that they are in there and that they're there but the truth is there anything a larger issue or is it that they are doing these kind of thing let's say they're doing things like they have this concept of a rat in the corner and it may be you've got  march of history got two hundred thousand years of human history and the united states of america sees itself and its citizens see themselves as in the historical sense the good of the of the legitimate movement of history like a to reviving species out of a process by which are both the species die that they have a truth that is so important the fundamentalist idea that the world not lose faith in that structure which keeps the whole system together and avoids a massive chaotic kind of unleashing of anarch something because there's no alternative so they feel we have to protect this until there is some alternative by which the ongoing movement of you through in the evolution of consciousness and if it unleashed if we don't protect it it's going to be a devastation and we now have weapons that can destroy the species larger issues that are involved rather than the fact some people tried to do an experiment that was the politically it's absolutely necessary they had a good win for the people in order to pull it off like roosevelt of the movement of history has a legitimacy is dork legitimacy if the faith in the legitimacy of the system the movement of history and a large level is undercut and you have chaos breaking out that's the larger issue and he may have had the same sense we've got to maintain this system until the one in place but the fact that with a qualitative transformation that is coming but we don't have the vision of how we can achieve it they don't have a vision of how to operate things for the benefit of everybody a liberated vision we don't have it is not enunciated is not understood by them so they're going to have to take measures to protect that which we have inherited and so that the larger issue by which they have to pull shenanigans they don't have a vision of how to operate this is nor do the critics have a vision of how the system is going to operate in a liberating context for all of humanity and you acknowledge how bout you understand what i'm saying your larger issue a responsibility to keep   these pot men of power and influence that are all about domination just like these neo cons have kind of articulated their actions have been for the profit motive i'll give you a perfect example fact that they brought down a building maybe they had to bring down the building in order you know we used to say do it now and if the burn the village to save it that kind of rationale would be going on in their head and there may be something to that it might be something to that if because we don't have a vision power hungry and controlling interest want to keep that well then and they are they are they're operating spaceship earth for their own benefit as opposed to the betterment of everybody because lifetime you know there's an extension of the think there's something existence really significant on the other side that is positive breath and that has not been able to find itself into the conscious because if you're going to question everything like for instance you're going to get there where there's enough for everybody and that sort of thing all of our institutions will fall apart they're all based upon you know a is our city scarcity and they're all based upon the authoritarian nature of the structure of all our institutions and everything the corporation schools the education you're going to distribute income according to ways that everybody has the flavor there and all that but not be a slave you have to have a system to and all that new condition of liberation and we don't have it in place so don't start broken the boat until we get it in that the higher responsibility that even these people who are doing is neo con thing what is they that they are doing because you can't let there be let loose anarchy on the world and we haven't got our act together yet well there's an arche now when you look at book utopia or oblivion if chapter and verse i've got that wind yeah yeah yeah i mean i just those are just through the increase of twelve percent increase of energy materials everybody on the planet would would  operate a system that is based upon a different basic non tautological reality that's not voice ever it's only just who's to blame out of the blame kind of thing coming out in history and there's a higher responsibility not to because they don't see it as a priority so then the rub responsibility calls of their agenda well is full spectrum dominance yes but that's because they do not have it so it's not their fault nobody don't blame a lion for eating an an not their fault you know it's fault of the it's our fault intellectual or the progressive for not coming up with an effect the alternative no i think i've got my thing i say it is their fault as well as ok well we're it's all for allowing this but it's their fault for using obsolete paradigms of thinking that it's our fault for not presenting them with an effective challenge to the op of their obsolete paradigm in a way that's going to be of a ruthless of of them rather than cutting off their heads our agenda ready in a way a way they can include them no enemy except bigger include them i think that's the way we have to go rather than trying to find out who the son of a gun is making all the trouble in the traditional way the politicians of dialect