four years of active duty in the united states navy but i was commissioned to graduation and i went to boston college law school for one year while i was in the and then transfer sixty four to work in gardena rosalee ms office on a ford foundation grant through the national center for education politics just to study state government but then i involved two seattle police officers getting off duty at eight o'clock but put on a y in shirts and met their wives and went out drinking and finally they ended up in the loony and cafe and for dinner there was a black couple sitting there and one of the he said it louder and louder get some of the mayo back up and call some friends and some of the brothers came down and there was a fight in the phase the fight was over and robert and another individual got in the car and was leaving  cafe parking lot and one of the officers who had been in the fight came outside stood next to a uniformed police officer and shot into the car used in there was a dish and that dish was used in the fight a civil case was brought by dave roderick and jack tanner i think many of you remember jack kennedy who became a federal district court judge at any rate they lost the case but they prepared the transcript of the trial and had filed a notice of appeal but it said languishing there after i left the court i became assistant attorney general and then i went out into private practice and then i saw that transcript i'll say and carroll jewelry store and was coming out of the store right into the arms of a police officer a sergeant and off he had a record so when he was in jail information but he knew that both the police department and the prosecutor were being a lot of pressure was coming on them because nobody could find out who the bomber was through the police department they got dynamite all right the dynamite can not explode without with having to sing to make it explode at any rate he had this dynamite they set it up so that right across from hardcastle in the parking lot was a plain clothes officer the police said examine the dynamite before knew it wouldn't go off because there is no fuse they place the dynamite  a shotgun and it had one of those single tells that went into the window right above larry said larry got up and started to go down  and he was shot today he's on our but he was shot today i became involved in that equips the jury said on the question here yes wart died by criminal  lax being shot and for some reason i got involved but in the interim before that the rest of the cases came down the freeholders had in the election in seattle and they adopted the charter one of the problems that we have with the inquest system is that the same police officers the same police department does the investigation all right so th thing but then the prosecutor the king county prosecutor is the one that presents the evidence to the to the inquest jury well the prosecutor already know and you can go to court and you can watch this going on except that the the people that are who are represented there it's the officer who did the shooting the family of the deceased and the prosecutor who is supposed to be impartial presenting the evidence well let me tell you they hype the ball sometimes but any rate at least you get to ask questions you can't make an opening statement and you can't make a closing argument but at least you can have witnesses who were there saying what had happened now let me give you you think further said was  you think that the the one in new york where they choked that that guy was bad let me tell you a real the worst case that i've ever seen involved and i've handled over a dozen of these in course one night this young man is about twenty three years old cesar's girlfriend the mother of his child and he's slapping around well she called nine one one as she all right i'm really sorry that dr donald gray isn't here because i couldn't believe this findings he said that the muscle of the gun was between twelve and eighteen inches apple chief stamper was the chief of police at that time he came to the community and to mount zion baptist church and he thought maybe you know ten or twelve people seven hundred  fifty people were there what is the shoot shooting going on he said it's an on justified shooting the next day he got the shooting review board report you know what it said pondering this young officer didn't go to the central area well i'm going to get a block tonight you know what it is it's here thank you no one and they get scared they don't know what happened and that's part of their training and that's part of it the irregularities that went on from the prosecutor's office now folks you couldn't speak  but i want you to know that i went to norm bailey and i said you can't you've got to prosecute he got to prosecute because here it was the dice shot him and so for th inquest jury because we remember i told you that under the new procedure that was provided that there would be an inquest and that the families of the of the decease a police officer would have representation there and i told you it's developed that you couldn't have asked you could not give an opening statement or a closing argument but you can ask questions of the witnesses so you had a public hearing that is why our system of inquest is superior to the rest of the country where they have a grand jury investigation because you don't know what goes on in the grand jury investigation we saw what happened in  prosecutor it is also a conflict of interest to have the prosecutor present the evidence because they have to work with these often to bring in cases and i've been screaming for years and years and nobody listens to me expand so he can't eat because people are are on top of them and choking not only can you not breathe but the diaphragm cannot get going and dr reddy has written articles on this well at pursued the chief of police because he said i have received the chief of police report and i have i'm not taking any action because because the report justifies the action this is that this is chief stamper that talks about community policing and everything norm said i support my chief of police number one which was wrong but then he said we must also be mindful of the police officers family that's when i lost that's when i lost a young man is dead at the hands of police officer i we're not concerned about his family we're concerned about the officer who shot him no but burnt when case involved a gentleman who had been the police department cause him to twenty who had mental problems and they were going to think tip well he locked himself up in the room i wouldn't come out the the  inside when they decided that they were going to the swat team was going to go in all right they have tossed then some das you it's not what killed him he fell down he fell down and when he was lying prong there was the officer wit i couldn't believe i couldn't believe the report dr ray i could write a simple case each officer on the swat team who would spear was represented by counsel during the inquest and the jury again found justifiable are excusable homicide because he had killed a cop and so forth but the point was more than excessive force because once you lose i got the dummy standing up and suddenly turned so hard but the bullets went through the body into the floor is that right yes that's right and so we had a trial that lasted i don't know how they only value this life like to ball our son they said he was a killer he had killed somebody and so forth the swat team resigned  mass because they thought that the jury would say what they did was proper it's all for let me tell you since you're interested about the legal foundation that says if there is a violation of federal law a case can be brought and both it can be brought in federal court but now the state also has jurisdiction so that amendment and the fourth amendment everybody has a right to be secure in their person and their private papers all right and you can't invade somebody's its privacy our or their physical be so you have a basis for the federal court the problem we have and since i'm no mo there in federal court i'm not afraid to say what is wrong with the important cases that is for cases involving multimillion dollars of corporations or cases that involve some of these terrorists aren't they don't treat civil rights cases a cases of significance although some judges might jab stab at trial they don't have very many trials and federal court every there's always plea bargains and what not so are they they they don't have that and so that is my not used to frank thought if she mr jones doesn't believe a cop can lie under oath then my client cannot win right because there's a conflict in the testimony so you have their protocol a little bit differently well mr jones would you subject the officers testimony to the same with the same scrutiny that you would subject somebody any other witness and so forth and you have to find ways of getting around conservative judges because they hate what they say what the judges say your government your free as the bird out here you can work one two o'clock in the morning you can work on saturday or sunday or you can take off in the afternoon when it's sunny and you say well i had being a lawyer you're so independent not quite so because when you're in court you subject to what the man what a black ropes or woman with a black robe says getting around all of that we discovered when we did focus groups when you have a big case you do focus groups this is what all the all the commercials and everything and what the republicans do oneself or you have focus groups so you have focus groups you know what the focus groups end of the prospective jurors believe that cops can do no wrong it doesn't matter you know don't confuse me with the facts my mind is made up he's a cop and he's protecting me so he can do no wrong one third said i wouldn't believe the cop if he swore on five hundred bibles all right and that's the other part of the population and then finally you have one third of the population that said well what happened in the armed days when i first started i used to call it police brutality but when you say police brutality it shuts out witnesses shuts out prospective jurors why is it there they go again police brutality so you say police misconduct oh well what's that so at least you have their attention so you can talk about police misconduct i am really sorry jenny force by seattle police department and she's done that and they have bay now have agreed order where there is supervision and collecting data of what has happened with the seattle police department so my hat is off to her i hope that she would have become a u s attorney general when eric holder resigned but it wasn't to be i don't know the current occupant of that office but let me tell you this is an age old stuff from the time of my hero thurgood marshall all right thurgood was fighting police brutality from years and years and years and we know of is a big case and today's martin luther king jr spring day and he changed thinking in this country by being perceptive that you can you that do find it with non violence all right but sir martial changed the laws in this country in the states by some twenty two states with there was segregation once brown versus board of education went and said separate but equal is not in fact equal then that applied not only to the schools but it applied in public accommodations and everything else so and that was nine to nothing and that man wore his heart o about post racial society because we have a black president not so you all racism is alive and well in this country why only thirty nine percent of whites voted for  you saw what the minority leader mitch mcconnell said his only goal was to do oh and obama so what we had were eighty percent of the minority community ninety six males the not vote for obama you can look at the figures what i'm telling you is racism is alive and well and it always breaks down to this hawker down that they like that they used to have in south africa right you're with us or you're against us and that's the mentality of the new york police department and the guilt and are killed here it didn't matter how bad the situation is they only support their own and you have the skin spirity of side we've got to have community policing cops a got to get in the community and not be afraid of the people they serve and you have to look at watch out so what i'm telling you it's very important when you have police officers come to a community meeting ask them what is the motto of the prophet meant is it  and serve or is it well we're going to catch crooks and so forth and so because then they don't care