and the shape you see here ok and then in order to do what i've done on this one where i carved a piece of wood and then cast iron right style just tell the little bit about the studio and some of the pieces that we see on display here ok well i found it i mean dark arts in two thousand and six with the idea that i wanted to do art and want to get out of working in a cubicle  find i want to start my own business so i am a fine artist i'm a little came german designer a graphic design packaging design all sorts of design stuff so the product that we have here with started is about nine years ago i decided that i really loved making or i mean doing stuff with pink or and i really like different types of art to get away from just everything painting so let's talk about the chair a bit so the chair here my neighbor about two years ago was drawing our dining room chair and when it started  it had no cushion at all and it was just a brown think of like up sort of like the door it looks like this sort of brown old chair and i think you're going to have some this beautiful detail here originally had some classic an animal that was i was peeling off and my husband was laughing because i was like i need to do something with the chair so he put on my porges that there throughout the whole winter and finally got into working with it and what i started with was a pick to base color first so i was trying to decide if i want to do it blue what kind of feeling and wanted and then i saw this beautiful peeper and it's red and this is actually paper and then i took the red paper and he ripped it and i layered it again and i covered the whole inside with red and then the black is peeper as well and i just started ripping in putting people on it and i was experiencing and i actually had to redo certain parts of it because it wasn't happy with the direction it's going and this is a beautiful people or this sort of weight this really making me six dollars fabric might have been twelve dollars that it might have been ten fifteen dollars so really probably under fifty dollars i was able to do the whole chair i love it as a potential business opportunity so let's shift gears just a little bit april and talk about the start up costs or something like this you know obviously and people are going to have to go and take a loan this is something that they can pretty much it's not a financial considerations not going to break the bank so let's talk because you know as i really need a lot depending and what type of object you're doing you can be very economical with the way to use the peeper the medium itself that i use to decompose medium and six seven dollars from brushes and the idea is to look forward when you go would you be going to thrift shop any kind of places the idea is to look for things that have very good unique shape or style like i love the shape of maybe i'll buy ninety pounds and i'll get them for ten dollars each and maybe they were his own for fifteen or twenty apiece so you want to see one of the really good they get this chair beautiful shape you know it was just you know kind of right here people throw stuff away sometimes because they don't know what to do with that so you can find some of the other thing i'm relieving into is free cycle there's a free cycle that work and trend and you can join that and people will post a daily basis stuff that they're getting rid of it has to be free and you can just go to people's house and pick it up or you can put it out there they are looking for something and that if somebody is getting rid of it they will down here to you so you don't have to spend and he money on that there are so many opportunities for people to partner that they probably don't think oh yes and i love art because it can make you kind of think outside the box a little bit all let's talk a little bit about that because this series is all about professionals who may not be artists april yes but may have some specific skill that they may be able to bring and then you have the artists who have a whole entirely different set of skills and maybe there's opportunity as you and i were talking about this before i want to elaborate a little bit of some partnerships and working on two different objects and then what she does that is she becomes a marketer for it so she finds people so she can talk to people and she can find people so we sort is split the income from the pieces part of it comes from the entire creative process and part of it is her she contributed the country but also her other skill set is writing and marketing so if we need a press release for that she writes if we need anything written for that time she write it if we need any little articles or anything right now so she takes care of all of that writing aspect and we just talked about marketing anything else that someone may have a skill in that they probably haven't even thought of or maybe i should think about linking up with an artist any other skill sets or professional standpoint if you think would be helpful that would probably not have even g some of it might be in getting brochures and business cards or other things made even if i can design it having people that could printed or help with the signage or how with the beginning exposure or help with business or help with taxes to you know a lot of artists will fail because they might get a gallery space or something but they really don't have a true understanding of what it takes to run a business and that sense so if there are people that could help art is understand what artists are going through their struggles and trying to help them understand do they want to studios space do they want a retail space where do they want to put their products you know how do they want to place it how they want to advertise how do you want to spend money because a lot of artists are fabulous and sitting in a studio and creating but then it comes to reading other people and talking about it marketing and selling it reproducing it think that's real lot of times we need how do we how do we monetize our talents had we take our you know and how do we compete everybody says oh it's so easy to be so talented well it's hard because you wanted to stop us been time in the studio and a lot of hours are trouble because they want to spend time they don't get to spend as much time in the studio working with these sort of business because they have to do all of that other business the stuff and when you're talking about your business being you based on your talent and your time spent on something then that's where you need to spend your time and so much of my time gets pulled away are going to send invoices to people i' to write e mails people are going to follow up phone call have any taxes i've got you know pay the bills and do all of that kind of stuff as well and then i have to find time to be creative i have a friend who's very very big with her business and she says she has something to sit there studio and be creative on demand she's like i have to get my coffee in the charges and lock the door and say ok i got four hours and i have to be creative right now and these four hours and it's very hard sometimes to be creative and demand  l the things you mentioned i don't think that if we sit in corporate offices thinking about i want to do something else but i don't know what is in the hopefully for people who are listening watching ideas of potential collaboration even hosting events if you wanted to host in fact and you know people and you know corporate one of the big things is corporations are changing team building so that's one of the things that i was the is maybe how do you bring in artists to people that have money that would spend money on art and appreciate the art how do you kind of connect those two because artists would love to be involved and get their artwork and seen in front of you know venues are places so even if you wanted to work with people that have  need art maybe you don't know where you've been going to get art so you can team with artists and maybe you don't have to pay per se or your pockets you get art or maybe you can partner with an artist that we're paying art or maybe you can find our set would run exhibits within your space with the promise that maybe your clients would buy there are it would get exposure and houses are spent sitting in our studio collecting dust so there's always there's opportunities like that where i think artists would love space and and people have spaces w