everyone michel gramberg here welcome to another episode of positive energy bringing you in lighting television for the evolving soul do you realize we have a profound connection and sacred agreement with everything around us including animals according to my guest dr maria katz a madness author and horse trainer the unique bond between humans and horses forms through a non verbal language of energy and intention i'm looking forward to hearing more so stick with us as positive energy starts right now hey maria welcome to positive energy thank you for having me today michel so you're a horse trainer and you've written a book called the alchemy of lightness what happens between horse and rider on a molecular level and how it helps achieve the ultimate connection so the book is about communication between human and horse but it's about much more than that so can you say a little bit about your main message in the book what the main message that we try to communicate michel is that we to a connection with animals we here to make us better human beings and we're here to ensure their comfort and their viability is so creatures what a beautiful symbiotic relationship and so so much more than what we are are aware of sort of on the on the earth ground level right so you know horses are majestic and elegant and magical beings there i think that there are just so many stories in children's stories and in so many fantasy books the horse is always that creature that people really get excited around and we know that they also support us because they carry us literally carry us right so they're even more than that for you you really found your path and obviously they stir something in use of say you know why horses speak personally for you what is it about the horse so the horse for me michel is a magical animal all animals on this planet planet scenting beings are magical but you're right we have a really special connection with horses they've been the backbone of civilization they that is larger than a deeper meaning the part of the brain that's wired for fight or flight the flight part of particularly that we're able to even sit on them so i find it's a few neat honor for me to that animal a wired in that way would allow me to sit on them and i think that when we are with them because of our history with them it connects us to something deep fried d n a kind of kind of a common knowing together you know there's an old amy and adage that says learning is remembering what we already know and definitely when you're with a horse you are it plugs you right into history so there's so many learnings that we don't even have to being with them you just all the sudden aware of things that you know even know where they come from but when you're around them enough and you're open enough you start to  that go back to centuries maybe even comic relationships that we've had with horses that's really interesting so it's both a primal sort of collective remembering to get around horses and when we ride on them and we might also be triggering off past lives memories memories of other lifetimes that we spent with with horses that's right i think so yeah i think that's what happens in our connection with horses i think it happens with humint but because we don't have a common i guess human language that we share we share language of energy it's an undertone that i think that connecting to that historical piece with them is even more role it's more it's only one more tool that we can connect in that relationship with we don't have words to connect with them with what we have the understanding that knowing that's kind of under the water a deep cavern of understanding between the two of us like we've been together before we've we've we've been through a lot together has a little bit of consciousness like you said it's molecular is energetic in that way  n that's really shift our thinking about them because we tend to think we own the horses or we you know they are just objects for us to ride in your coming from a position of educating people to that they are our family our friends our bodies they are sent in beings they have a purpose and we want to honor that so do you connect with how do they feel about being ridden obviously they're they they're doing it willingly they're allowing themselves to be written but do you do you know any more about what they feel about that that's such a great question is shall i think any time we have a relationship with anything even with people people do things  relationships that they don't want to do but they do to please us so i'm always for example checking in with my horses to make sure that they are a mentally and be physically comfortable in whatever i ask them to do and the change on a day to day basic can and like as we're in the mood sometimes we're not of wake up in the wrong side of the bed we might be having a moody day as well yes but it's all about tuning in yes absolutely turning it and if you're able to tune in to your equine partner in that way and i always tell folks this that you know to be able to tune in and to develop a feel and instinctual feeling is this is my partner ok today is he well what can i do to make you comfortable what can i do for you approaching them that way well then it's hard then to go into your human relationships and be anything other than that's why i think for me and the horses to make me a better human being not just with horses but in my relationships people are much more cognizant much more aware myself coming to them of what can i do for you how can i be here for you have going to be present to you today what a gift it is then that relationship that they allow us nonjudgmental space to cultivate qualities in ourselves and characteristics that might be latent or dormant that then we can take out into the world not isolated to our relationship with the horses it's like i love that and it makes me think of my dog and i feel like i'm doing the same thing the better i am with my dog but i love that unconditional love transfers into other relationships i know you teach from a promise of kindness to horses and others will get into so much i know there's a lot of unkindness done to horses in the way that they're trained right but your can use a little bit about that how you actually teach people formally how to be kind of horses even when they're going to get into a writing relationship with them sure it's a kindness is is that an interesting construct because you know that i know that the people who we the most maybe cruel with say that they love their horses and they're doing the best by them i think in your intentions asking yourself what is my intention around that for anything is kind compassionate care for an animal be a part of my mission in in the industry is that is to be able to have some guidelines around that definitely in terms of training perspective there are different different methods that we know are for the horse and some of them are against the horse but the primary piece of it of course is horses always tell you if you're open to listening or she will let you know if they feel that you are kind to them or not and i'll let you know you can sense it if you're tuned in but they're also letting you know through their body language and oftentimes you know my work when i try to get people to connect to is that heart space and connecting to being you're reading the signals and they're in tune or sensing at right and we lose that we lose that michelle and in this kind of three d world we lose that ability to honor that instinct and horses you know it's kind of hard to mention dogs and dogs cats can give us that the only difference with a horse i think is the fact that they're large animals and they're they vocal fear and in this world at least my work there's only fear and in love there's those two are your options you know either choose this or you choose that and with an animal that large that can hurt you we have a familiarity with them but not quite so it's not like it's on like a dog that you know we're kind of have between lives too to get a sense of who they are when most of us  then choose love and fear for when you're in that space and you can stay in love is to me imagine the possibilities in your life yeah absolutely talk about making you a better person for your relationship with your horses must be amazing that must be something that is just really so off as firing to witness you and your horses how you communicate with them and how magic you feel so close to them you make eye contact with them you know you touch one another it's beautiful i must be so beautiful oh it's it's it's also a warning what the storyteller the you know the magic tales of mythology and history i mean through the ages you have that kind of i think that that sense of oneness the centaur there's so much folklore around the relationship that we've had with with horses but it's that feeling of oneness and i think i think the more the all of us deep down anybody that's kind of aware aware of the environment aware conscious people people are awakening have this primordial need to connect the something in a very big way whether it's their partners to become one whatever that means for people i think is ingrained in us and i think the horse is what a perfect vehicle what a perfect blank slate opportunity to connect them with outward and feel as one of their legs are yours and you have a mission together  a healthy ways maybe through drugs or alcohol but what they're really seeking is some of that sense of oneness a sense of connection who the horse is just another writing another spiritual path that's right or that toward our best self in union with another b so let's you know a lot of this you are saying because you have a background in psychology so you know a little bit about human behavior and animal behavior because there are similar behaviors mammals that's right that's right we have two legs but we are mammals talk about the connection between psychology and horsemanship a little bit because i know there's a lot to that right that's  always a loaded question but i think i'm in a nutshell i would say horsemanship is human ship so i think great horsemen  people and the psychology of being with another mammal always boils down to i think that to have a poor or to come to the horse where you feel close and you feel that they cultures and i'm greek by birth so one of the some of these traditions really appreciate the hospitality for example somebody walks into your home and you say what can i get you can i offer you something to drink can i get you something to eat because your guest in that moment is the most important thing was the same thing for a horse you come to them i sometimes travel i go to clinics i travel around the world i used to a lot more than i do doubt is because i have my base here in new jersey but you go to a new setting with home courses and you have to build report very very quickly well they want to know is that you can hear them you can honor them and that you know your attention is on them so i just ask the question what kind of for you how can make you comfortable today are you well yeah so again it's being in tune to that mutual exchange and that need a relationship that we have with everything yes with nature with people with everything and with animals in a very equal way i think we all adopted that we would all be treated one another better of course we'd be treating animals better and it was sort of beard a different world so hard horses as we are spiritual beings their and in my language they're eternal as we are what have you learned about the spiritual nature of horses that you could say the spiritual nature of horses i think that horse that someone seems difficult because right there you know human again or three d consciousness wants to label that animal and yet their spirit their soul shows me how limitless they are and therefore how limitless i am and you are and everyone is beautiful so we can definitely emulate that and they definitely mirror that back that's right so your home base is the admiral ridge farm and there you do your work in the world you offer training boarding sales and clinic services can you say a little bit about that so i finally had to settle down so to speak and i settled down here in new jersey put down roots in new jersey that's right said and less i'm not sure but i believe in hunterdon county where we're settled we are kind of premier horse country but yes new jersey we retain our a horse lovers and i think there's a huge initiative to keep farms and  farm preservation and so forth nice to hear and it's beautiful to be driving around the countryside to see it so if you want to scape just go westbound and new jersey just offers that just down the back roads and west yes so we the group of people that are always with the horses but there's people and so we have a community that we've built of people that are like minded folks that want to grow not on only in a relationship with a horse b single kind of path that way so one thing very special that you are proud to own are the more warrior horses from india you know they're one of the rarest breeds in existence how do i know that i got from your export ban so between francesca's efforts miles efforts and of course the indigenous horse society of india they try really trying to bring awareness to the welfare of the breed it's an ancient breed and i would love to invite michelle to perform to meet them i have about i would love to come six horses of hers while there but i have my my own horse that i bought i hate to even say i bought him because i feel like he owns man has his story and on earth to even be next to him he's really royalty in my in my eyes and he really changed he changed my life that horse not only as a trainer but being able to really  think be a better human being is a extremely extremely sensitive animal and that sensitivity i think connects you to those elements i think help you align with your true self help you align with the deciding love over fear all those higher order things i kind of invaded them prior to him and i think when i hear and i met it was that's one of those life changing experience and i knew i had to he had to be next to me for the rest of my life you know that's your guru yes teacher your soul mates yes i can feel the heart connection that you have with him just from listening to you speak so i hope that people will come out of they can just come out visit yes the farm and you can introduce them i have always loved them as company yes michelle and have people visit and come and just stop by because it's always natural that way and he loves the visitors used to be very shy saving from a situation usually either an optional slaughter or an abandonment situation and take the horse from a to z and in that and a process document the changes and the whole purpose of it is of course to to document and video prepare video to educate people on how for example what kind of an effort it takes so it's not just me as a trainer doing my part but there's also dentistry there's farriers and remarkably around the world  see what the possibilities are for that animal so my job as followers of the prophet is to inspire people through the story of that particular horse and and i think people can get again stuck in fear and get scared of what they see now my job is to show them the other side that we can get through this that animal will look beautiful you'll be comfortable here people to carry you safely and you can be a great partnership moving forward and what better ways to do it and i thought to myself what better way than to actually show an animal that looks same may share or frightened or scary on a horse a scary they can be frightening for humans to be around because it's a large animal thrashing around and scotty's it's got holes it can do some damage anybody who's ever had their foot stepped on which i remember once yeah it's very that's right so absolutely it's it's meant to really help inspire people but transform the horse and then of course through that inspiration transformation to educate the general public about that process and what's possible that's a beautiful mission thank you really are helping you know if i hope so that's my intent and we've got a lot of support so i hopefully that can continue to grow so would it be fair to say we'd love for people to donate to that cause if that's something that resonates for them helping animals helping humans really healing work it really is healing work it really is service in the world it's very it's creating work even for non horse people so we've had volunteers that come up and we have sponsors and we're always looking for volunteers and we have a horse right now that needs desperately needs donations just to keep her housed so but a lot of times people that are even horse people come and they find that being around this energy can be inspiring and what i mean by that is it can change someone's life they make by being around the earth and richie being around people who are trying to do something people i think it attracts the good in people and probably very down to earth grounded people as you say so if that resonates with people hope that they will reach out to you and connect in that much we're wrapping up another enlightening show i hope we have inspired you to be more intentional and can of your relationship with people nature and animals i