the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about him as a kid i was just realizing there is a quote in the korean gospel by levi g i'm not going to to jesus now that you have healed this person and this person was blind birth which is a karmic situation and the person hasn't relieved himself the karma to get their own eyesight back how will this person then pay back the karma did we relieve them of the karma by your healing is he relieved of the karma and the christ spoke to them or said no no the healing was to glorify god his job now to alleviate the karma is to go out and serve mankind that way the karma will be dissolved so even though we may have received healings spontaneous healings where the spirit works through you that it's also brings forth the question how how does these things take place why why do we have these situations and i'm going to weave in and out of scripture here just to make points not to let you know i know scripture there are various places where things are said as you so you read because of something else this is the effect so therefore going through things in this lifetime and we don't have the slightest idea let me just maybe i can do this with with the black this would be hilarious might be fun what would be hilarious oh it might be hilarious you know you never can tell til we go along nobody out there is funny i can't be funny unless you're funny let's say that you have to be the effect of something your mother your father like me make an example out of you  we say well i don't know how i got this effect but if there's karma as you so you reap and as you do what you put out you get back and i don't know how this happened o you know how it happened i was up here and i did this cause and so therefore i know why i got that but on top of this cause was another effect and i don't know how i got that why did why did that happen to me well there's a couple ways to look at this one is this effect here is of women of god i don't like you the other thing is it's lady luck is she moved out of town or you fell in your system and then just found out that was dysentery best from the water so now we know what that cause was if we go back far enough we come to a place where we do not know why this happened to me why was i born a woman why was i born a man how come i am the way that i am i don't like it most people don't like it to trying to change the trying to change themself or somebody else who says you don't like it if you did like it you'd be happy when there's nothing wrong with being happy try it's good so you come up here and let's just say that this is the luck syndrome everything that happens to you is just luck and a lot of people live on that some people call it that's my destiny to be lucky than when they go broke the fickle finger of fate that's out they find that this makes them wrong victims their are their victim and they're always going around very unhappy i am a victim of life these people are always doing it to me there's a question that i always ask when somebody says that i said why don't you move and they say i am not going to move let them move but you see it's not happening to them they're ok with it you're not ok with that so shut up or move they don't shut up and they don't move they complain bitterly the victim if we find out that we don't have to be a victim we just don't have to sometimes it means giving the appearance being very honoring mean and it also means sacrificing a whole lot to have harmony in your life then you may have to do that i'm always of the persuasion that if you go and talk to a person and explain to me the real open loving way what it is you're dealing with how you see their part in what the effect is how you may be causing them some negative effects if you can get together and change that you would like to and i find that most people with me say sure if it happens then that we come back to this place where we don't know what caused it and we're at a loss there are some interesting scriptures that say god created us in his own image then you look to their thing he says that's good we got in a mess and god didn't do it because god doesn't mess around doesn't play in this but we will it's very interesting that being built in the image of the likeness of god and being god's representatives here on this planet it might be more accurate to say that we are bill in the image of the personality of god and that we are god's personality manifesting outward into the world if that's true there's something about it's real perfect we've got something inside there that is really really perfect bible says the kingdom of heaven is within now the interesting thing is that every time that jesus talked about the kingdom of heaven he always referred to it as though a man found a pearl in his field and then sold everything which means the probe was complete or a man found a treasure and then went and did other things of the treasure was complete what is saying to us is the kingdom of heaven is complete in you when we were born into this world we actually were in a spiritual form and we actually had a physical body but not this physical body remember the other night it told  die because then those cells are fused with energy of the material world in the then form of corporal form and we grow into it called this physical body when this physical body persisted in form states of mind if you keep thinking about crazy guess what you're going to have if you keep thinking about poverty what are you going to have how many of you have retired a person to drive a car have you ever seen this type of thing you're driving down the road and they're driving and you tell them if they're getting a little clue close to the curb and you're saying watch out for the curb and they drive right into it and you say i told you watch out i did just exactly that to right to the curb you keep thinking somebody doesn't like you guess what you start getting somebody who doesn't like you keep thinking you can't get a job guess what you don't do you don't get a job i guess if you think that you're not worthy what happens not worthy what come my five hold a positive thought i don't get it right away i could turn this back over and say cause and effect is working upon you and you've got to do all awful a lot of holding of positive thoughts in order to change the state of mind the second one states of mind persisted in form of consciousness consciousness comes from that state of mind that we  me that starts to form consciousness brings number three consciousness persisted in forms the manifestation pretty soon you're out robin the bank pretty soon you are stepping out on your spouse pretty soon you are fired pretty soon it does happen to you because those come out of spirit those thoughts persist in starts with spiritual substance you keep them in your mind you keep them in your mind the forms of consciousness around you and or a vibration that or a vibration goes out and starts to attract and bring into you what happens and that happens to unions say why why it happen to me i used to call a stinking thinking produces stinking results don't complain change your approach you've got to do more than change your approach you may have to move you may have to do more than move you may have to alter the way you go about it you may have to do more than altering the way you go about it you may have to get a new picture of what you want brand new then once you have that image in then it starts to come out you know that illness is an out picturing from our body of one two or three or all of these taking place thoughts persistence in the manifestation are all what you're doing your persistence brings about twist that he wins that this next one here is going to get academic of you got to the third grade i will spill fourth grade were words for you is this consciousness we talk about a consciousness or body goes what's this consciousness come on i mean every says i have conscious awareness be aware do this do that what is that how does it come about well we have two forms of consciousness let's just look at of the look pretty easy to look at there's a human side there is a spiritual side friesen over here in the human side which is god ma'am god is in us the goodness people came jesus a good master you say why call me good only god is good and yet he said the father within those the work and the lie just of before king is that i stand before god and tell you what about god they were standing in front of the kingdom of heaven is within and god is in heaven g they were standing right in front of themself declaring it as a spirit of god spoke to him just to be kind of wild doesn't it god will speak to us all the time how through the senses through a still voice through the motions mostly through the feelings through the intuition through you're getting up and just going someplace in the state of unconsciousness and get there and go oh now i see why i got here lady luck lady luck doesn't let you win if it did we'd all be someplace gambling and there'd be no reason to gamble because we don't own everything so there'd be nothing here said story like to try that  human side there is life and death even while we have life we have death in the same body cells are dying body's changing its movie we hold negative thoughts we commit suicide a little more each day we take into our system things that are really disastrous to us and the body adapts to it and we make out ok we say oh it didn't hurt me didn't hurt me no but you might want to live a happy life before you leave not just live a life of diseased existence a life death on the opposite spiritual side that's life life as a vibrant energy of moving you on the side we have good evil that's the human consciousness on the other side it's just good or god just as god and all of the east and i want to hear what you're saying gee what is it attributes over here health disease perfection the inner body is perfect it is perfect we think make it if we hold the negative thoughts we persist in it it starts manifesting in our bodies disease and outcomes and we wonder why you don't have thirty years why are you asking why the big question is why did you do for thirty years another big question is how did you last for thirty years doing that most people get a sooner well i didn't think negative all the time just around my spouse or just at work or just this or just that here we deal with plenty and lack which is really an observational type position if everybody else is the room is broken you've got a barrier you've got plenty but based upon the other point of view a dime isn't worth much over here spiritual we have supply we  you can't even begin in the imagination to understand this universe in any type of imagery we just put a vocabulary we're word on it we go universe right and there's no more you can do with it there's no understanding because you have to have experience before you can understand they have to have had a where most before you can have the experience and you can have awareness of the universe in a little tiny body so we just sit there and go right next subject which is what it boils down to here we have a human career on this one there's the divine destiny defined destiny what's that oh i got to do is give up all your thinking all your negativity let the spirit that's inside of you start to move and speak through you and it becomes divine destiny not award level a knowing level you know and you know that some people say this is it  there is more and you have to know how to get it but there's no more in the universe that's all been put out here about how we go about getting it that's big important new the mind inside of you that says i'm not good enough i'm limited i can't think i can't believe that stops you that's right it's over for you can't joy sorrow peace god and love hate how do we get these things the big key is meditation it is like a vehicle the transfer mutes translates transform and conducts energy from the human to the spiritual the spiritual  human state so we've become christ like in the body we become spiritual beings walking around the physical body we do that by spending time in the meditation state most people spend time in thought form state being obsessed or possessed with that were in there directing their consciousness and if what they're directing their consciousness to is not fulfilling the desire pattern of the they're not getting what they want to be filled in here then they may blame the object of their desire that's not being fulfilled accuse it of all sorts of dastardly things and think that they get to walk away karmic free but as you judge you're judged as soon as you say you're terrible inside terrible resides you give it instantaneously instantaneously you start to hate somebody forget it it's hurt you worse than it is them you just believe some forget it to this believe somebody it hurts you more than it does them well how can i help them we go to this one spirit that resides in all things one air in the room resides in all of us we go into that form and the understanding of the connectedness comes about we are one world we're not one government we are one people were not of one expression we all feel things deeply but not over the same thing this means that we've got to develop the i'm going to use we're tolerant attitude but i also want to put the word in here and acceptable consciousness of anyone else not that you appreciate what they do not that you hate what they do but that it is a signal that that they're doing is a signal of some greater disturbance that they've got going inside and to call them on that thing out there is not to dislike them but it is to purify the prince and into the kingdom so we tell people don't do that they'll get you in trouble they think you don't like them you know a love you never say a word and we discipline our children oh i get sometimes you might hate them and want to kill him but underneath that resides a thing that says but i love you so much and so therefore we go to that state well if healing is a matter of consciousness if it is a matter of consciousness why can't we just heal ourselves we do we do have to go to the doctor you go to the doctor for him to help you change your mind by changing your pocketbook status you start getting a person told me once i can't go to the doctor i can afford it and got well especially when i said i can't afford you either i can't pay for the person who went into healing when into h but is there such a thing as curi we going to eliminating and we go into balancing we go into living in a higher state of consciousness we start moving into a holistic viewing place and still are from a partial view and insist that it's the whole view then we distort information and then we get negative actions as a result of distorted information and then we plead the well that brings a sort of him towards how to tie this let's go back a little bit the bible jesus sent out his disciples and he said in my name you may do these things so they went out and didn't come back said lord it didn't work he said he didn't use the right medicine in order for it to work and he says well what what is it he says you have to pray and fast know that's pretty good so the lord prayed and he fasted and the person was healed because of strong medicine now most of us are going to say look you think i'm not going to feed me to make them well you're crazy i don't think he was saying that when we think of praying if you consider praying to mean deepest meditation and fact in that certain scripture when it was asked of jesus something he went away by himself before he answered and he meditated he prayed he went inside and prayed  quite a while he waited for that voice inside to speak to the father with the him to speak the spirit to speak and when it spoke he voiced the words when you voice the words of the spirit inside it becomes so if you voice your own imagination your own despair in your own ego it makes trouble trouble appears sometimes it's more important to just shut up and sit there and don't see anything just be quiet in that quietness of the mind in the emotion you get to know that i am god and it will let you know it will let you know you don't have to say was that you because if you do it wasn't let's consider his fasting to mean abstinence from any consideration of the  he didn't go and think about the man's left for see he went and thought about the man's help well and happiness he starved the issue out of his mind and produced the results and then in his mind that he wanted for that person and that is the true speaking of the word of god for another be you speak to their help you speak to their happiness you speak to the wellness inside of them and anytime you people who are married speak negative to that person you disease to them most of us are good enough for doing it to ourselves we don't need any help in that way so when we do need sometimes a swift kick in there into gets high enough to look over the next ledge that only hurts for a little bit when we look upon you see the difficulty here is to say but that's not real for you to sit there with disease your body and leprosy are you say i don't have i mean i see you you see me by reflection was so real about reflection do the mirror look in the flesh around people that's as real here forty five i'm looking around to the person that's is real it's all is real or it's not it is by reflection that you seeing and the spirit inside the scene by reflection through the eyes is seen by reflection through the action is seen by reflection in the voice in the approach and the carrying in the sharing but mostly it's seen is you know people who listen well i can't love that personally didn't say of the person says love god the father within with all your body mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself so you love the father in the neighbor and so you do say i love the christ in you i love god in you i love that in you the other person says we don't we do you love that part that just asked no gets in the way i don't either put it that i like it far away but if you don't love my personality you can't love me want to oh i'm not kidding you for a second look at the saviors of the world they're dead and gone and how many people love them and when they're here they only have fifteen or sixteen and the rest of you kill them i don't want to wait till i'm dead for you to love me you don't have to w course shakespeare said the good that we do and that is evil are treated differently at the time of our death we have a difficult time attempting to reconcile the desires of the body mind and emotion with the spiritual voice inside that says don't go do that it will get you in trouble then we pretend that we don't hear it and we believe that it's ok because it feels ok or i thought it was ok then when the results come in and they're disastrous then you wonder why me god why me oh the answer is very very simple answers very s else can hear do what i tell them now look i know you're hearing the voice i get it's real but you understand that nobody else can hear it so you'll be further ahead just to listen to in your spare time when nobody else is around we all have this whole lucena torquey thing going call fantasizing day dreaming wishful thinking we do it so much the thoughts persisted and start coming back upon us they seem new and we think it must be god god doesn't o not getting it what am i supposed to get the divine state of consciousness is what you're to get not a soul thought if you were a thought persisted though upon the divine state the form of consciousness would start to be divinity and you would start manifesting the christ consciousness here on this planet and you would be a way to show or to everyone around you for as a man thinketh in his heart he becomes but if he doesn't do what he becomes it becomes terrible you just can't think good you can't just do good you gotta do good to do good is to do god then we do god is to get in contact with it the sad thing is there's so much evidence on this planet right now to refute my statements that it's miserable and yet inside of each person we take them singularly and we stop philosophical thought and we stop defense mechanisms or  the prejudicial point of view or the position they've taken or the eagle point they're going to manifest we just stop that and we come right back to basic simple things called what would you do if you thought you'd be dead in a minute a prayer goes through them through their mind the heart they go oh god oh my god i don't know what i would do there pray i'm getting a little late because you've got to get through a lot of junk to find out for my god says you got that one not the fault in me just one not the one that you make up that you transfer around periodically to please yourself that one isn't worth a shot and powder to blow to hell but it's already there so it does need shopping powder and it doesn't have enough brains to blow your nose it's stupid but it's got you called your mind your emotions have created your reality and you're stuck in it and you're stuck in it and you're stuck in it that may be good news we know where to find you that's also pretty tough news i'm stuck in that how do i get out of it you've got enough loving if you've got enough to say love we all got enough love around jamie i'm glad to be here i'm so blessed to know you is to look forward to that new be is to look forward to that old husband that you've been married to for the ong you keep coming back and doing the overall were why i like you i'm stuck i'm a victim where's my that what if i can't see how i am not doesn't matter there's a lot of things i have been able to see that were so lots of things i can't see how my friends from south america speak spanish and understand each other do i have to understand it or can we just do it do i have to understand that they're going to like this before we do it or can we do it and trust and trust that that that is inside of them will know the truth when the spoken and move on that and that that isn't they'll drop it aside but that truth for them is not the truth for these so each one them persists in their own truth and those thoughts persisted in form your state of mind but remember truth is a perception you can even declare but if somebody says well this is how i perceive the truth i listen to them if they hear they say here's the truth i used to get up and start walking out why truth doesn't come through in reflected energy it comes to you as a knowing as an essence as a real nurse as something that is more powerful than your breath anything recently but his books still sell good that's unlike knowing me keep pitching one book long enough somebody is going to buy it to see what's in it maybe if i keep pitching long enough toward your divine essence you might start looking in there but you're going to have to persist past everything you think everything you thought everything that you will think through that would be a good one or what anybody else thought thinks or will think you've got to be able to outlast everything endure to the end and you've gotta do it and you gotta do and you gotta do it it'll be tiring in the personality and the further you get from the divinity in your personality out there thinking about next week next year next month the tireder gets the more you come back on your personality in here of this right now i can just be quiet i can be peaceful i can recall the energy starts to come up inside of me and sometimes if you've been doing things to your body that are negative then the energy comes up and make you sleepy it will make tired it will make you nervous it lets you know or you're out of line with the flow of energy that is you doesn't have to be resurrected pure the spiritual body that is in this body must be resurrected we do that through spiritual exercises by tying in connecting in these together in and through the body through every part of us we start to dent five the spiritual thing that made this body and the more the more we do that the more vibrant life becomes in us that vibrancy travels through every dimension in space and time when it's on the spirit when it's not your yell for help is not heard by anyone no one can complain and your personality and people walk away but let the spirit just side and god reaches we've come to the place in life maybe it's a sad place where we've looked at the other person has been somebody different somebody alium and to prove that true we persisted negative thoughts about them we on the part of them this divine in the same part as divine in me the sinew it's only was only one god more as a whole lot of approaches to it that's nice that's nice just to move that this group is one group and then this group is each person as an individual can be looked at as an individual in the personality in the physical and love in the group in the spirit but can never be treated as a group don't you treat me like a group that's a statistical average and i don't fit but love me as me and love the group as me and i love you love the group and go into the essence that is god within and when i love that me that is god of love to everybody and there is no difference the difference is our awareness willingness to go in to sacrifice all things at all cost to seek first the kingdom of heaven seek first the kingdom of heaven my god seek first and all things will be added unto you are you going to be able to handle that that's the question oh i don't think so i don't know what i'll do well i can't go on the kingdom of heaven then just go well i've been like this for so long farts persisted in form your state of mind i know you've been there for a long time change your thinking take some insight trainings to open up the essence of the wisdom of the heart and start moving into your was domes the wisdoms of the spirit i keep going over and over this the thing in my mind it just won't leave me alone i know because you started up there you have a wide i started up there you want to be individual unique and fulfill desires and pushed you down you fail you know in the garden of were two trees they were far apart from each other one is called the tree of life that's us speer the others call the tree of good medieval knowledge and if you even the tree of knowledge you'll be as god knowing good from evil god does no good from evil i don't i know you told me there's no evil in god's kingdom there is only god's goodness god's life god and we are allowed through that essence of god to corrupt the conscious spiritual energy and move wherever we want to we're allowed that because of a loving god who says this my beloved is how you will learn if you must learn that gives us a chance after chance after chance after chance this effect is the body you now have you are this way because you chose to be this way because you thought about it and went this way and if you don't like that that's not my fault on that one i'm because while they were getting together to make sure that the hereditary going to be passed on my spirit was there make sure that the sales came together to make sure that it came in line with what i am to do boy  you want to come back again you just make another this time come back in wealthy family don't be so stupid but you see i can't because that's right this cause and effect continues on because it is tied in with that part of you that is the mind and emotions that you have to have for this level of that was too i don't need them before you know the winds of karma having a body and you go on what talking to yogi he answered back i think i've done record but lives and you what the mothers and fathers didn't tell the kid that's right you little heathen weren't you i'd be happier i got to work to feed you and grateful little wretch you little little so this kid grows up with all this great lot of self esteem of worthlessness idols worthless want to round that's great self esteem wrong well you missed that back to the drawing board if you can't stay with this ok usually i start down it's hilarious and then it gets serious at the end this time i got serious the beginning and i get how larry says d m now now you know it's coming to the end unless you don't think this is all areas it does bring up an interesting question if that's all true why don't i know it because you keep persisting in looking out there into death and that's why you know death i don't want die i don't want there you say there's no way out except through death that initiation you don't tell me that that's the fifth one that and you're going to just be speaking the word of god with all this dynamite energy inside of you you'll be in heaven about an hour and a half before the devil even knows you left be careful though because some of you don't know but the devil has also been john rogers closing word square which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six five you can send an e mail to service desk at m s i e dot o r g or right to that which is post office box five one three one three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash 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