for those who have come tonight thank you very much we really appreciate your interest in this topic which is incredibly important jesse trentadue was a successful sports attorney  living that life in salt lake city former all american at a little teeny tiny college down in southern california called us a and his brother was murdered intervention but regardless they're not online so there's two hundred fifty copies of a one thousand nine hundred six article about the murder of jesse trying to do is brother and the one thousand nine hundred seventy two article and they're down here in their paper clip washington correction center for women outside a gay harbor and she made her way to columbia legal services and about colgan and beth the lawsuit by half of that woman that had just released and one in the another woman who was still there just to make drive home the importance of civil rights litigation we got a copy of the actual lawsuit down here on the table as well as a seattle times article and you know to pick it up and take it home and read about it so that you really understand what can happen from civil rights litigation like jesse has been pursuing for fifteen sixteen seventeen years that's  c not only had to write a check for a million dollars but they had to affect remedial action down at the prison hopefully fix the prison so that those kind of sexual assaults couldn't continue and the last thing one of th courageous things i've ever seen in my life well as i was lizzie reed standing up in front of four or five hundred people at chain hall on april eleventh and reading this which is down here which is about herbie and raped while in prison and the buyout the fact that the guy who did it was not prosecuted it's really interesting to me that pierce county as a matter of policy does not prosecute pria cases  d the deal sees investigation was about this far they call the right to stop so did you write her he said no end of investigation dawn please turn on the c n n video thank you because they're taken for violent criminals these days with a new three strikes and you're out of a lot of other measures there's a new national mood to make criminals pay for their actions i don't wave from the public i am behind bars are in a thing forced to pay beyond the intent of the law there are indications inmates sometimes the accusations even include murder today we'll look at one such case in oklahoma city to friends and family kenneth trying to dupe was a kind man who after spending six years in prison for bank robbery became a hard worker and married a long time sweetheart in the late one nine hundred eighty the couple lived spending time with their nieces and nephews and finally earlier this year had a boy of their own but last july trying to do was arrested for not reporting to his parole officer he faced a hearing and according to his lawyer brother a few months in prison for the infraction in an aug seventeenth letter to his wife trying to do said he was headed to the federal transfer center in oklahoma city be there ten to fourteen days he wrote then on to where i'll be doing my time on august nineteenth he called his family from the prison i was pretty up around according to the warden who called the family and sent this follow up letter he was found hanging from a light fixture in a single cell used for protective custody inmates prison officials believe it was suicide regulations clearly state a warden may order an autopsy on homicides or suicide with no authorization from the inmates next of kin and i'm starting to get a vase of answers for are having difficulty getting my brother's  investigation is complete when trying to do family guy his body home for burial they were stunned and angry enough to photograph it for only prison officials say it was suicide  time permissible items found in the cell according to the released would support presumptions that cuts on the body were self inflicted if you received his personal attacks what would then be you have a picture  said the photographs are very troubling and we're going to investigate as well as we can and come to a conclusion prison officials refused to speak with c n n and are not cooperating with trying to do family not even to explain why he was protective custody apart from other inmates were trying to do is wife mother and siblings requested a copy of the paperwork he would have had to sign before witnesses in order to request a single cell for security reasons they were told a of freedom of information requests and they did they also asked for photographs of the sound videotapes from the surveillance cameras routinely used in such facilities the logbooks showing who was on duty when trying to do died council and officials in the washington d c headquarters also refused to speak with c n n citing the ongoing f b i investigation you're grieving but are you also angry  he was able to tell us and it would also say why should the public care that a one time victimizer might have become a victim in prison i would say that the people who killed my heard or seen what happened until then trying to do family will just have to wait for some answers now according to people close to the investigation prison officials just two weeks ago finally allowed the for coming here tonight and think harry for having me this week because the first time in almost seventeen years i looked at that tape and i think it was more painful than when i watched it the first time i could not have imagined when that news clip was film that it would be the start of a seventeen year war with the department of justice a war that i don't  two i look at my wonderful wife and my children and i see what i've missed over the last seventeen years in this fight how distant i've become how unpleasant to be with them many times because early on in this fight i was consumed with rage and hate and i didn't start out to distrust and hate the department of justice they earned that distrust and hate i didn't start out to solve the oklahoma city bombing i didn't start out to expose the corruption on a massive level in the department of justice things like pat kohn and hope you'll get an opportunity to talk here tonight how the f especially hides records from defense counsel evidence from defense counsel they have a system for doing it how they have a system for recruiting and planting informants on the staffs of federal judges on even on defense teams and high profile criminal cases and i want to talk to you about what a war like this is lot about it's painful to see my brother's face again although that's burned that image is burned in my brain for ever to see your parents who died during this fight and you had no time to grieve you just consumed consumed by the fight and the talk to you is much like a war you fight these on many fronts you fight on a civil front bicillin the government you fight on a criminal front by trying to have people indicted for the crime you fight it politically by trying to recruit your congressmen and senators to help you and lastly you fight it on the freedom of information act front and a freedom for a mission act is a law that congress passes says you have a right to demand from federal agencies wreckers and unless they're protected by a privilege such as national security national defense or an ongoing criminal prosecution they have to give them to you and i want to talk about how this war raged on all of those fronts of for seventeen years and the first thing i want to tell you about is my brother being at the transfer center he came out of the military during the vietnam war like lots of folks and boys did he came out a heroin addict and he robbed a bank to support it he was caught it pled guilty he went to prison federal prison he does his time he's released in  he has a probation officer doesn't believe in beer drinker and kenny work construction in southern california and i helped him fight that condition of probation and parole we took it all the way up and lost so can he goes back to his probation officer and says look i want to drink beer so there's no point me coming in once a month to give a urine test come and get and then never did he gets married one hundred ninety five years a child his wife is mexican american have family in baja california he's coming back across the border he's picked up and sent to oklahoma city and at the time it seemed nothing unusual to me because he said he was going back for a parole  hearing but now i know the federal judge that convicted him was in san diego his probation officer was in san diego the judge has to revoke your probation parole there was no purpose to be in in oklahoma city but he was he arrived on a friday night we speak with him on saturday he supposed he commits suicide on a monday and this is what happened in the civil side of that lawsuit we didn't start out to sue the government we started out wanting justice for my brother and some modicum of support for my brother's widow and her little boy the they made two attempts to have his body cremated once they ask us we said no then i go to the medical examiner he says no the family has to do that it's their decision the logs everything that litany of material i asked for the freedom of information act requests on c n n the log books disappeared now the log books are maintained at the institution until they are full and then they're sent to the national archives the log books that was shown people who had access to my brother either disappeared or the pages from the logs disappeared the crime scene the apartment justice does an investigation the crime scene photographs disappear there's a surveillance camera videotape the f b i says it's blank i received a call from a very famous mousa he calls me and says i'll come and testify for you shortly before the trial pearl's death of a heart attack my brother's clothing he was wearing blood stained clothing at the time it is apparent from the photographs we got later that and that disappeared gone they're supposed to be a psychological reconstruction done of an inmate suicide in a federal system apartment justice requires it the purpose is to see was it one a really a suicide and two if it was what could we have done to prevent this ill or to alleviate this problem the only inmate suicide in a federal system for which a psychological reconstruction was not done my brother's case we get into the civil suit and find out that forty one pieces of evidence disappeared on the f b i s official file i say what was gone they said well not only is the evidence gone but all chain of custody records for that evidence are gone to what happened to it we don't know it's just gone head to and make witnesses kid named nick he supposedly dies drug overdose before the trial had a witness name all been gillis baker both of these men said they could hear the torture in a bead baker isn't long pock the department of justice recruits three inmates to convince him to change is testimony we tend to get a protective order for him the judge won't grant baker hangs him selfe according to the department justice a month before our trial was to start before he hanged himself he contacted the u s attorney handling the civil suit and told him about the threats and ask him and stop it and the u s attorney tells him unless you change your mind you get no help for your testimony you get no help from me and hung up that call was recorded i asked for the tape the judge won't turn it over we were able to it's unusual to do this grand jury testimony of the guards witnesses who said they saw my brother hanging and we depose them and three of them collapse on cross examination and mitt they lied to the grand jury so i think we've got of now will go through the prosecutor's u s attorney and say look you can charge you guys with perjury and you can get them to change to tell the truth what happened the department of justice goes to a federal judge and gets an order prohibiting me from reporting the crimes reporting the crimes to the u s attorney and to the senate judiciary committee couldn't believe it but they got that order just like that we have the inspector general department of justice do a multi year investigation supposing my brother's murder it's the only report i understand by the inspector general's office not involving national security that's been sealed in a civil suit against the united states department of justice it's tried to the court not the jury two weeks before that trial started the  copy of that report to the judge and other evidence i asked can have  we go to trial anyway and at least in year two thousand so a couple months in oklahoma we end up with a one point one million dollar judgment but it's not for my brother's murder it's for the intentional infliction of emotional distress upon my family the department of justice tells us will never pay in the appeal the tenth circuit sends it back we win again they peel again ten circuit sends it back we w again they take it up again and suddenly in two thousand and eight they pay the judge that now they probably thought we go away but that just made us armed and dangerous and i did a test on that we put out at two hundred fifty thousand dollars reward for year no one claimed that now that told me this involved more than the guards the reason it had been guard somebody would have come forward to claim that reward you don't claim that reward because somebody way up the food chain is looking at you and you're going to pay a price if you do it and that ended and i and i it was hard to take the habit in like that no more recourse civilly and then we tried the criminal route and it was done in conjunction with a civil suit we could not get a grand jury convened so we went and had billboards put up with those horrible pictures of my brother's body on now we couldn't afford to billboards  don't our kids look at that and they stood behind us but key key to the criminal side of it was a medical exam a doctor for it jordan he shows up at the cell that morning to pick up my brother's body he demands his investigators access they tell him no they get back to the medical examiner's office and they call the f b i and say preserve that crime scene the department of justice has a cell cleaned by noon that  they let jordan back in november he does luminol test and that's a test you can put for blood at you it's of a solvent you put on the walls or floor and use a blue light black light and where there's blood it glows jordan told me a globe like a christmas tree jordan's there they point to a note on the wall says it's a suicide note jordan says well why did the scions name tom instead of kenny jordan i find out and again what all these things i didn't know at the time that before the grand jury convened the deputy attorney general who was then jamie gorelick convened a meeting with the criminal side of the main justice who were going to the grand jury in the civil lawyers who were going to do the defense of my family civil suit which we hadn't filed and i asked for those records and the department of justice says work product well work product only applies when you're intice a painting a civil suit there's no way they should have been sitting down with the civil lawyers in the prosecutors and they were all out of main justice typically when you have a crime committed it will be your local u s attorney here that prosecuted if there's a civil suit filed it'll be the local u s attorney the defense the united states government in my brother's case time after time after time it's main justice lawyers i find out that the first thing they did was go to the armed forces pathologist and they gormley and ask him he's the chief pathologist for the military will you come to oklahoma city and testify that this is a suicide he said hell no in fact he called me and told me what they done he said this man's been murdered i find out before the grand jury they don't tell the grand jury that the f b i crime lab found somebody else's blood in a sale don't love to have it tested they claim can have been hanging by a sheet and been cut down it was a braided bed sheet ligature according to the f b i the crime as it had been cut they don't tell the grand jury about that or the medical examiner kenny had who's an oklahoma need spoken to my wife and she said how do you get oklahoma and he said it's that jet age thing and he went on to explain how that that's why they fly prison where they five prisoners around the country and they offered that transcript of the call for to say it's that aids thing and tell the grand jury that my brother had aids and that's probably why he killed himsel jordan was an ally in this video was shot and bear in mind it fred jordan was a key witness for the government one of the key witnesses in the bombing case my brother was killed shortly after the bombing gardner in for jack bowen tonight a major development in an ongoing fox twenty five news investigation the state's chief medical examiner says it's taking too long to find out what really happened to an inmate who died inside oklahoma city's federal transfer center nearly two years today damon he says he simply fired up and he wants action jordan says that he met michael trying to do was murdered or if anybody else is murdered at the federal transfer center the public has the right to know but jordan says that's not happening believe he was murdered i think it's very likely he was murdered i'm not able to prove it has temporarily classified the death is undetermined you see a body covered with blood removed from the room as mr trying to do was soaked in blood covered with bruises and you try to gain access to the scene of the gun with united states says no you can't they continued to prohibit us from having access to the scene of his death which is on the nine hundred ninety seven until about five months later we went in there and luminol and it lit up like a candle because of the blood still present on the walls of the room after four or five months but at that point we have no scene we have no crime scene so that there are questions about the death the can of trying to do that will never be answered because of the actions of the united states government whether those actions were intentional or whether they were through incompetence i don't know and it's not easy to communicate with the federal government it was botched would question why or why you feel so strong about this case because after all they go it's just an inmate it's not just to him it was the trentadue made might be somebody i wouldn't let in my house let me tell you something he's a human being a was a human being and do now the other the other thing is you think that the prison system i do think that the court system is so accurate and so effective that there is no one in jail that's innocent if you do have a piece of shore property just outside of el reno  i want to sell you i think we need oklahoma county grand jury made up of oklahoma county so the sums in which the u s attorney for the western district of oklahoma mr ryan can participate where the people of washington cannot forbid him to do that that he can he can participate in our investigation as an oklahoma as somebody concerned about our city so we try contacting you know oh yes yes i have in what's happening yes i have let me tell you about that when we were still investigating the bombing business of trying to do died shortly after the bombings i the medical examiner that for the state in which them are building bombing occurred made a call one day to mrs reno's office room jordan also wants the local bombing grand jury to tour the federal transfer center and see if it's possible for an inmate to hang themselves as the f t c officials claim and damien there's a new law that was signed in february that would give the medical examiner media access to a death scene at the federal transfer center but jordan says the feds are trying to block that what they want him to do is have only if they say the death is suspicious character jump a span of four years and just to try to do michael  michael's brother and his family have been waging a war to find out what really happened at the f t c for nearly two years now jesse trentadue who is the salt lake city attorney says jordan's efforts may be what's needed  i think he senses it is experience the same frustrations we have to have been lied to to have evidence destroyed witnesses threatened witnesses  trying to do has appeared before the federal grand jury in a family have been complaining campaigning throughout the country even bringing their concerns to capitol hill so the very latest tonight in atlanta didn't taste the same medical examiner fred jordan and asking that the bombing grand allowed to look into the case a federal grand jury has been investigating trying to death for the past nine months but so far no action has been taken the senate judiciary committee as well as amnesty international are now involved in the case and turn to the trinity family has filed a federal lawsuit against the f b i the bureau of prisons and the justice department this was jordan in july of ninety seven shortly after that interview he calls me up and he says i'm going to change the of death to suicide you've got fifteen minutes to convince me not to and i said to him dr jordan the lawsuit has just started i'm going to find the evidence don't do this and he hung up the phone and changed it to suicide i talked to his staff some time later and they said before doing that he'd been visited by two f b i agents who removed him from the medical examiner's office brought him back several hours later he was white as a sheet he went and and i thought he was the chairman of the judiciary committee and this is an interview hatch gave in october of ninety seven and he gave this interview after the grand jury had concluded been at the conclusion of been announced as a noble the grand jury had actually concluded on august the first one nine hundred ninety seven when it happened though there was a meeting by then deputy attorney general eric holder and other high ranking staff members from the attorney general reno as staff and it was what holder calling the trend to mission and the subject was how are we going to handle the release of this no bill on indictment for can attorney who is murder and they put together a plan and hatch not to deal with hatch as the hatch is crucial we've got to deal with hat on this got to muzzle him and we've got to do all these other things and one the other things they did is they did a videotape of a reenactment of my brother suicide send it to all the national media hold  refers to and his staff is trying to do mean things to do and trying to dulles meaning we don't want to do these things but the crucial one was hatch hatch and this is hatch is statement to the press when the news incidents what about as far as a former inmate to come forward in the case and now said their lives are being threatened and want to even been sent back into the federal system because we traveled across lines from arkansas oklahoma to tell this story the obama c political spectrum and it was about seven years after this i guess a year before in seven years after this that we launched that for you a front and it group who were robbing banks to get money to fund attacks on the federal government and i dismissed that and then i in june or july of ninety six i read an article in the paper about a fellow named richard lee guthrie was in the los angeles times who hanged himself supposedly while in federal custody the day before he'd promised to give the los angeles times an interview he said would blow the lid off the oklahoma city bombing i didn't pay much attention to that either and then shortly before his death i get a message from timothy mcveigh and mcveigh said when i saw your brother's photograph and i heard what happened to him i want you to know that i believe he was killed by the f b i because they thought he was richard lee guthrie and i didn't i honestly i didn't think that much about  place for john doe two and this is the description white male powerful upper body built five foot eight to five foot nine dark complected believed to be in canada mexico driving mid one nine hundred eighty chevrolet pickup truck compound in eastern oklahoma called elohim city and hell mcveigh had called there several times before the bombing asking for more help so i filed a freedom of information act requests for all documents linking the elohim city to the oklahoma city bombing and the mcveigh through f b i informants or people say how can you fight the f b i they are so big and so powerful the federal government i had one real advantage the f b i will always lie it will lie when the truth would serve the bureau better so i knew they would come back and say they are in there no such teletypes and that's what they did and i knew also that when i first wrong those teletypes ottoman from the federal judge they come back and say they were fake so i had an affidavit from a retired f b i agent out of the headquarters say no they were real so i filed the teletypes they come back and from the federal judges as well and those are fraudulent i file the affidavit the judge goes ballistic he says i want to go back and do another search and he says to me where should i look and by that time i had discovered by doing the research on the f b i that they had started out in the eighty's with what they called a june file any evidence or materials they didn't want produced on a freedom of information act requests or turned over to defense counsel in criminal trials when into the june file well they were found out so then they invented the zero file well they were found out about that too and then i found out they had a drive and i drive it's where they put all the evidence before it's put uploaded into the official file and they make the decision as to what is uploaded into the official file and that's the file given to defense counsel and that's the come back and from the judge and i said we've got three hundred forty pages of documents and they say to him we can't turn these over yonder because we had five or six informants there and their lives would be in jeopardy and the judge says no no turn him over you can black the names out and it turns out that the earliest record starts two hours after the bombing in oklahoma city and i go back in front of the judge and i say oh that's not that's not possible that's not possible in maine while i got in the see terry nichols and he'd give me a lot of information about the bombing and he wanted the story told and i go in for the judge and said i want permission in order for me to go take  t c o n and these are on the internet now because of my own safety i made sure that they were out there as quickly as i got them and pack on stood for patriot conspiracy and it looked really big they talked about  a phone call from a fellow named john matthews and matthews tells me you've got all the pieces but you haven't put it together and i said what do you mean he said pat comp he said i'll come and c z came to utah to see me and he's an old veteran of the third marine division like me he's very sick with agent orange and he had been one of their top operatives impact on for a decade throughout the ninety's and he said i went underground for the f b i because i believed it was right to monitor these hate groups unlike lots of people who are informants because they're caught in a crime in then are forced to do it he said but now i look back on my life and he said i want american people to know what was really done he said it wasn't to monitor them he said it was to infiltrate and  incite i said what i mean john he said ruby ridge was a pack on operation waco was a pac an operation he thought oklahoma city was but he couldn't prove it he couldn't swear to it because he wasn't there but the people he worked with were there and he had the documents pack on involved a plan to blow up the browns ferry nuclear plant and alabama it involved running guns out of the same gun store in arizona this part of fast and furious and i say to him i sa john you want a story told i can't do it but i know somebody who came in and so i connected him with an editor at newsweek and they're crazy about the story they spin for months they confirm everything he said he's got the records the story's going to run the last monday in the ember of two thousand and eleven i get a call from the reporter at newsweek that thursday before to read me the story it's going to be ten eight to ten pages long it's going to talk about the browns very plan is going to talk about ruby ridge is going to talk about waco it's going to talk about the gun store in fast and furious the story comes out on monday not to mention a pac on gone i go back to reporter i go back to john and john's upset he said  expose myself my family put my family at risk to come out and tell the story of this is what they had done all they did was taught for eight pages how what a hero he had been by infiltrating the clay in in all of these other hate groups but what came out of that in again was a freedom if it looked like a dead in a freedom of information act fight again i stumbled on to the fact that the f b i was not only doing it but had a manual for recruiting in placing informants on the staffs of federal judges on the staff of college and senators among the clergy and local law enforcement  media and even in other federal agencies and i couldn't live this life i've filed a freedom of information act requests for it and they go to hell yeah we got the mail here's two hundred five pages of it you can't have the rest cause it's national security or it will reveal our policies and procedures now that when that fight hasn't gone critical yet it's not yet in the courts but something tells me i might win that one i can't imagine a federal judge is going to say to him oh yeah you can keep secret your policies and procedures for putting informants on my staff but it was the arrogance with which they told me that in the arrogance of this is they said yeah well here's what we hear there may know we used all of these things but you can't have it all now my time is about there and as i know a lot of people here are skeptical that the story sounds fanciful it sounds like somebody who's bitter towards the government and i am i'll be the first to admit that but it didn't start out that way but i would tell you this there's a document usually a contemporaneous i document to support and i've got it and i put them out there that support everything almost i told you here today and what i'd like to show you now is it proof beyond any doubt in my brother's murder proof that we didn't get from the f b i until it was too late proved it didn't come until a grand jury found no crime proof that didn't come until after the judge has found no murder proof after they muzzle hat and these are photographs of the ligature mark on my brother's throat the next photograph is the more horrible thing in life your skin has a so if you will wash banding you take it off and you see the impression the watch it disappears in a few seconds if you take off your socks and have a rings around your feet and that'll disappear your ankles in a few seconds when you're dead your skin does not have  why can't the story get more traction i mean i was pleased to see that c n n did something but why no follow up and why no return visits on the news i think it's best stated when i started these free live mission and cases and i started to get these records showing that the united states government had a series of informants at this place called hell him city in had prior knowledge of the plan to blow up demurral building and it's not just me making it up it's their actual records they produced and i was contacted by the media in they were surprised i gave him copies of and i said to him and even the b b c did to that and i story was the b b c who came a spent a month filming in oklahoma city went back and ran it prime time for an hour in great britain and i understand it ran in europe and most of the world the only other place the only place i understand that it has not aired i talked to the producer was the united states so here they they made a film with all this evidence and  even to foreign interests we the people have been sold out to stop corporate funding of elections go to free speech for people dot org