i heard about way through social media i've been astounded to learn that he's only been to running for six years since two thousand and twelve where he got into the marathon through the lottery of course twenty twelve was canceled and he did twenty thirteen s its first new york city marathon and he qualified for boston incredibly in the last six years wayne has done more home a lot of people have done in twelve years in twenty years he packs it in packs a day but cody pac man i am the row they have the way that's my guess thank you so much is really certainly do absolutely twentieth well you started running on the web tell us how you started i used to take these really intense classes at a local fitness club lifetime and flarm park and one of the women just go like you would a five k and wouldn't you know it first chance i got right in which is usually spam and now i'm going to new york area and a lot of people don't like me for that reason the gladden the first time i started training i think the i was doing about eighteen miles a week that wasn't my long run that was the total total my week for the week for the week and now it's you know now sometimes i'll go out and do an eighty mile run just you know in a day just by that's so you were preparing for twenty twelve marathons i was and unfortunately that race was cancelled sandy yeah sandy came and kind of wrecked our wrecked our plant but then you know the following year i trained i think i brought it up to twenty miles a week and i still had no idea what i was doing and i gotta tell you though when i finally did get to the race it was twenty thirty yes i've heard of minimalist training yes what do you do it was ridiculous you know twenty miles a week for an hour yeah you could write a book now a minimalist training yeah and you qualify for actually started i was going for a job interview and the way and that i was friends with me she said this guy that you're interviewing with has loves running he's been trying to boston qualify for several years she goes but don't tell him that you just qualified for boston i said i think that's really good advice so at that time were you working in a real job yeah at the time i was still in pharmaceuticals  process how do you think we could solve that problem reduce the incidence of all the abuse yeah i think that we really sort of need to to to educate you know it starts with the youth right so i think that it's a getting to them and kind of you know maybe getting them to more like healthier lifestyles would be a great thing and did i mention that i have  i probably started talking to them about things that were bad and the things to stay away from before they even understood what these things were and so i think it really as a parent you need to be vigilant i think you have to understand that there's dangers out there you know i don't want to get you having that but it's not a safe or i'll go and you have told your girls i have a fourteen year old and an eleven year old started high school yesterday and started middle school yesterday as well my god that's a great age what our parents would say the same thing they would probably say you know what when when you know when when you were when we were bringing you up it was you know we had to worry about this that neela thing and it's just kind of just it i don't know a little way with a troublemaker well let's did study the medical field you know what it was it was it was wanting to wanting to really sort of to help other people and also i felt that i would do it in a way that would you know not only get the job done but get the job done with a great bedside manner by using maybe some of that you know some of that you marie and i remember my first job out of undergrad was at mercer medical center in trenton and i was doing a cardiopulmonary tack and i would be the one that was responsible for going in and doing e k g s and getting blood gases and getting blood and it was it was when i and i was thinking i was going for my mph before i got the m d and i said you know what i said i love this so much and i love this patient interaction so much because i really felt like i was really making a difference even just being the guy that was doing the e k g i was able to go in with a smile and just a story and you know find out you know asked something more about this person and i felt as though i had really missed that and if something happened and if i went from i am ph was a master's in public health and i didn't finish i felt that it would be a shame and a couple of the guys that worked in the hospital were going to a school called ross university in damini in the west indies and said you know what you had great grades in college and undergrad you have all the bells and whistles you know you're cardiopulmonary tech you were full of bottom is before you have the experience to get in to do that  and then you go there for two years you come back in you matriculate in with the u s students it's sounds great that's what i did want to know me because yes it's almost like a lot of sunshine yeah maybe a little too much sun shine shine so as it turned out i stayed there for a year with the way things were changing back then i'm not going to tell you how long ago it was because then you know how old i am but the way things  medicine i really felt as though you know putting the time and energy and i didn't really want corporate america to tell me what i could do what i couldn't do leaving medical school it was a very tough decision and i guess to lessen the blow i i got my divemaster done and successful in the pharmaceutical industry as it was very good and what was that job just of calling dr stop encouraging them to tell you yeah going into the offices and building relationships was what the job was then now it's changed tried to break sub three m boston and that was the year that it was really cold and really rainy and yeah everyone was sort of why that wound up in the medical tents afterward after that i realize that you know what maybe i should do something different you know maybe i should just try something different and it's time for something new so what i did was i entered a trail race it didn't start just for the ultra marathon this this started with trail running and i did my first trail and i think it was a saturday with a buddy and then there was a race the following day that i did and it turns out that i was pretty good on the dirt who knew and so that was really where once you start once you get on a trail and i'm urging everyone if you only run road come out and run trail maybe something called the rave maybe how know how long the trail the it my first trail run was ten miles ok and as i mentioned i went out the day before and did that and i was like oh this is this is interesting and so i went out and i did the run the next day that another ten mile it did the ten mile or so exactly i did well and i thought you know hey i can maybe i could do even better at this so i entered the next one i did a twenty mile or trail trails out in pennsylvania actually came in sixth overall and i think second in my age group and then i moved up to a fifty k and came in third overall and then i entered my fifty miler came in first and i was like i see a trend here so i'm probably going to yeah exactly the fifty minute amount of which one without that was called goat but that's nice it was it was a fantastic read you have crew for that no for that i didn't even know at that point i don't think i really even knew  crew was i had some experience with with ultras because a lot of my friends did and some of the people that were even on this show previously are ultra people well why didn't i see a trend here sounds like you would learn on your two feet you learned how to do a marathon by actually running the darn thing going out and then you learned how to do a fifty mile or but actually running the thank you didn't do a lot of research you did you had buddies right why you didn't train was stuck you didn't you didn't gauge the wisdom so what does that tell you about you i think what it says is that i should just run longer and longer because it seems like i do better the longer i go as far as as me doing well in these things i believe it's just a matter of wanting to and to just saying like i tell anyone that i pace it's it's eighty percent or more is mental when it comes to this so if you think you can you can most likely less there's something you know if you put the time in you put the training in at the end of every profile that they ask us to do for as a pa bio everyone at the end i always say you know what trust in your training and you're going to get this done and i truly believe that oh and i really believe  the my first hundred mile or was that the olmsted one hundred is in raleigh north carolina i went up really not knowing what to expect and that's another are not are you know how and how quaint it's another example of kind of something new and fresh and that's another way to it's kind of you know if you're feeling a little stale with your running now try something different try a trail try you know a longer distance try a different distance whatever it is try something new so i went to and one of my things was she she she hit her foot on a rock and most likely broke or toe curling i know at some point it gets you gets you know everything kind of gets hazy when you're out there for so long but yeah at some point she really smashed the front of her foot and she was in a lot of pain and the one thing that i kept on telling i was just keep on running it's going to go numb and the funniest thing was when she their yeah so it was it was good it was really good she actually is man with a numb foot she ran with a nun and we didn't use permanently into herself she says no walk no she had a baby just not that long ago she's doing fantastic she's doing fantastic i  g in ten twenty years yeah so what what's in your motor that you can do this what's your rush you know what it is it's just loving what i do so much love that love love the passion the rational it is special every single time you bring someone to a boston qualifier or even a p r i've had i mean i've had so many i usually pace when i pace marathons a pace three thirty to three forty three forty for the three thirty i think even a three forty are qualifiers for women of any age oh that's right that's right years it is it's just such a celebration and your your your pictures with the family your pictures with them your hand them a you know the pay sign as a souvenir it probably made your firstborn after you so so which marathons have you paid have you done to your country done others i did new york i've done the york several years in a row now i think the last three days thing the three forty group again this year for new york and pacing i stop so tell us what kind of pace all right all right i do all of those things i know i honestly do i do all those things i will be a tour guide i will be the jokester i'll be the guy that's going to make sure that you know if you're on your nutrition every thirty minutes or forty minutes i'm going to tell you exactly when you know when you're going to take it i'm going to tell you where the water stop is where the gator it stop is where the goose station is or you know whatever the  montclair bread company my friend rachel there were part of a running group she actually started about a year and a half ago and there's close to two thousand members of the club right now it just took off  slash races and you can see all the races that they have the mines included in that she figured well you know we talked about we said i want to be great to have a trail race and she said we're going well you're my man sazegara right i'm up to the challenge so let's go ahead and put one together last year was the first year like i said we we have we have a we had a great mug this year we're given our class beer cans we have a beer sponsor this year carton brewery we also have a few other sponsors track lab is going to be a sponsor for the race and  god who knew that so much actually going good mt claire deter say yeah absolutely there's a lot oh right come visit all right any final words it's i say that i think probably most important part of what we just talked about was when we talked about you know what if running feels a little bit stale try something different you know change up the distance change you know and go go for a run with a different club or a local club you know hit the hit the dirt get on the