was so she's back and she's a famous singer songwriter here in new jersey and she travels all around the country now you said that you travel across the country in the summertime does that mean like you do this somebody you're a teacher is that mean you're a teacher i am anything yes you are many things but your summers are very i am whatever makes money yeah yeah i do i do some private teaching i had a day job and i quit that couple years ago and then you could tour that because i just wanted to have my own schedule where i could tour and just perform whenever i wanted to and i did want to ask permission to take time off so i had i had been teaching when i had made a job but as soon as i quit i was like oh wait i still need to make some money regularly so yeah i teach guitar i teach voice i also teach ukulele which is an ever popular instrument for the children there now when did you pick up  three years ago now doug is a course a really famously bad ukulele player it's true yeah and we actually performed together he had his whole family his wife and his daughter and his stepdaughter and our friend joe and me all playing the addams family theme song play that it's excited about playing except for some up on stage and put them on t v so it's a family night and we're going to talk about family time are you most ready years and were always thrilled to have you there but you run your do you still run music series your own don't you stop it i quit that that was too much work it was too much work really so what was what was it what  you did every month yeah i did a weekly series called weekly monthly series called indie music night and it was before a five song writers are bands and there are a lot of them are people that i would meet while i was on  tour which is really fun because it's always nice to be able to offer other artists a place to play right especially when there's a built in audience and they don't have to sell tickets or pay to play and you know right the i do you think but you had a good audience you had a great we did an audience and i trained them well yeah well trained they were quiet they use the restroom when it was appropriate and we started that in a little shack in the woods in greektown and it was this room that used to be used by the community or so is used by the community it was a very small space sort of a lodge and when we started we actually didn't have restroom so we had our house that was always classy and that broke a lot of ice and you know you found out who the real divas were music wise so you ran this show were you like in charge of the sound in the hall and the speakers in the cables or did you have a crew doing all that stuff when we started i was helping i had a big hand in that and setting up and running sound my boyfriend at the time was now my husband and his brother oh it's a coincidence they would help set up sound and do everything and as the event got bigger and  that series ran for six years wow every month when did you stop when a couple years ago so it's going to couple years since you stopped off just got to go it's just too much every month yeah well everybody that was helping us either move away or had babies and then all that was left again was myself and my husband and it kind of wasn't as much fun anymore so how long did you try to keep it go or just the two to go in for probably about six or six months to a year we try doing less shows you know make it quarterly or whatever and then just we had we changed locations once and we just we didn't have that feel warm fuzzy feeling that we had had you know for a good four or five years when we had started but you still had an audience at th yeah we did we still had an audience and that was the hard part was like tell the audience like i can't do anymore guys i have to go but we still we get a lot of the same people that come out to my shows i still do shows you know two or three year usually at the prince starts council and a lot of the same folks you know come out because they trust my taste wahl yeah very good what's interesting to me is this is there's a theme running through here that you know before we started t show you know sarah we were back in the green room and and you were saying this word that i you know i'm baffled by this this no words that you're  saying this word and explain that word to me because it's that word is very confusing how does that work what is that was that word mean saying no yeah yeah that's a hard one yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no no yes that's that's what i thought oh yeah it's true i yes i have a very hard time saying no when it comes to performing in anything that's regarding my music but i and learning as i go that trying to get another tom in fact he could probably audition you for that for the next time a new time a new time yeah i'm sure he would be happy with that but you know that's why he makes those threats all the time yeah i have some like you could have like some sock puppet interns or something yeah all right well we're going to take a break we'll be back in a little bit of running out of your head  until i get on the stage once a month stage and i start i'm fine yeah no more nerves but i get very anxious at the unknown and just the moments before hand so so warming up for performing is not the best part of it what is the best part of being a musician being done with the set when you fit what motivates you do it i mean i don't know i think it's a disease well you know it's always an interesting question i was why do people play music  you your musician you can't stop yeah i would agree with that it's sort of just something that's bred into and i really get a kick out of being on writing like united like performing like performing what i enjoy doing singing is very cathartic for me especially there are a lot of shows that not a lot but there are days when i'm not feeling like performing and then after i've performed i feel so much better than i did when i started so i i enjoy meeting people that enjoy my view sic i mean who doesn't love that but you know just i get e mails and comments and things from from folks i don't know and you know you never know what your music you know going to do and how it's going to affect other people and i get a lot of joy out of you know finding out the positive things right so those negative things t mean yeah you know it's on the internet so yeah that somebody once described the internet as like star wars the dark side but there's also the yeah when i once in a while you know yeah somebody at a show i there was an old man who told me once you say you know you should probably do that should you do that professionally oh yeah that's a memorable line and you pretty good though out of for a worst you know that's pretty good i think well i think some of your your videos are really gutsy partly because you know some of them are kind of a traditional music video where you've recorded the song and now you're going to you know create images to go with it and so what you're hearing is you know the the final polished you know version of the song but right up next to them on your website sarah donner dot com you have these other videos where there are you know just the live sound in the room as i say i call it low budget music but it's like overrated new year for example yes there are yes you know there's one that you know it's just the sound in the room including is that your mom cooking that is my mom  it's it's clearly you put thought into staging it but still it's just you know we're going to turn on the camera and here's what's actually happening in this room at this moment with the own no sound reinforcement it's you know it's it's a gutsy me about that song that was that was written in new jersey on a new year's eve and i was not feeling particularly inspired by the  i have a lot of a lot of feelings about that so i put our feelings into this on that's what that's about well we were very pleased that you were on the show with us today and we're trying to videos they were pretty not so pretty and happy with it so we shut the door to the bedroom so they can actually leave the room and then my husband who's the camera man you know if they try to leave the bed he'll like he'll hold the camera and a lot of time