from virginia beach virginia here is that which is with john rogers that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual in awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace know the organization is for the purpose of improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years this seminars  titled health is loving who you really are right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement my understanding of life as it goes like this some time we started  as energy is there a physicist or group i don't usually use that word well energy i use the usual something like soul or  god something more esoteric but energy will do just fine my my concept of energy is a word called love and let me define it for you because i don't know what it is and i might stumble on it this time can breathe a den and i can breathe out but i also found out that if i hold my breath a love still stays there so it's something beyond that so i've been looking at that for quite a few years now now i know i don't look like i'm  eighteen but then you don't look your age either so this energy that we're going to call love has a real peculiar quality to it the procurator quality sound something like this i'll let you do with me any thing you want to  cause i love you and we could add conditionally that energy called love started out and it started making  path down to the lore worlds and that path was maybe sort of erratic i don't think it ever got back up here yet or anybody in their right mind would come back down again so and it goes off into no other space one energy the all of us ride on and the most profound thing i found out about this is that it is no more present in one person than it is in another person but that it allows each person to do with what you will and that's remarkable that you have a substance that is life giving life sustaining   is life and will let you to corrupt it let you do anything with it you want to even come back in line with it someplace along just living period and let's just say about three years of age we do certain things in our life maybe at that time we decide to leave home home it's called a little orphan annie routine we go looking for daddy warbucks or something like this or money box love the girls wait till they're seventeen or eighteen and then they start but the guys are more adventurous they start out of three the only problem is a i was allowed to cross the street so i couldn't go too far at this place along here something happens with us consciously in this energy that this energy just seems to get cycled around there we call stuck do you have snow here you have well we can look at this two ways one one way we're going to look at this is you can get struck by just holding your thought on one thing another way you get stuck is to be in a physical place and you can't get out of it this energy here will allow us to do things called anger yet allow us to do rejection i'll review that rejection it will allow us to do so many things with it that we start blaming it for our problems not only does a allow us to do with what we want to do it insists on helping out now the funny thing about it is i don't speak in terms of esoteric terminology i just talk about positive and negative like poles on a battery you need both of them to make the car run and so if we're talking about positive or negative without being negative do you understand that idea just as a yang and yang is pronounced  and not only insist that you do this allows you to do this it keeps promoting the darn thing it keeps promoting we found out in our studies the what we can see in this world we have called the negative worlds that doesn't mean battery evil just a polarity and the things above these negative worlds invisible we have called the positives or the spiritual levels and the things that you're not sure if they're invisible or not like your thoughts and your feelings we call those the spiritual material world just so you could have some way to label something labels are a lot of fun as soon as you label something and you forget it you're further ahead because the whole idea is go to the essence behind everything go to the essence behind it that essence however if you come back in your reversing yourself to analysis and you come up here the essence is rejection what happens then is you go through intensive years of analysis and you have a well analyzed rejection this is a stuck spot it's very popular to blame other people for what goes on in your life it's very popular in marriages it's called fighting in school it's  call talking back and smart melting the teacher in life at the place was called i'll see you in court officer you know you're not going to court you can pay the fine you don't have time to go to court he knows t in every way that it is a source it is a supply to me there's only one thing left to do with this whole ship bang and that's just to have a good laugh about it because it's hilarious to think that we have within absolute essence of perfection and we're messing around with it getting sick having problems having despair and worrying about things going on in life and it's all under a direction of something is going to handle it all anyway we call that luck now they've established a whole city to luck used to call las vegas now it's called something else i call that the city of suckers and if you gamble come on i cost are call out names you got married you took a chance that's a gamble you didn't know how it was going to turn now or you probably never done it but given that the way it did turn out and you're going to again you probably would have done it the same way because in that process was this energy that keeps coming on that just keeps coming on regardless of whether you like it or not i remember when i was very young and that be about  when i was precocious so i'm trying to make the sound decent i had been about let's just say fifteen because that's a good healthy age puberty is just past manhood is not there is called  betweens age i really was fifteen but not really a teen and i really wasn't twelve and i couldn't get the car yet nor any girls they were going with the guys who were eighteen and had licenses and cars so i prayed to the center gee you know i called mr sandman and never paid any attention didn't didn't do it but when i got older like twenty one and i had a car with good cars new cars very nice car i stopped praying by that time though because i had what i wanted then this mr sandman called loving energy star send the girls around i didn't need him then so are had it about the good news about that is i was getting what i wanted but the bad news about that is i didn't know that motional long long long long time ago and they say what shall you make a fool of yourself as it did twenty years ago it's ok be a fool again today isn't going to matter what does that all boil down to this energy down here will let me be a fool well let me be whatever i want to be and listen to this will help me get in the lower worlds the choices go like this twenty five to one twenty five positives to wipe out one negative twenty five to one that's why you go to healers metaphysicians prayer therapist other type of therapist and you go in there with this disc ease this inharmonious consciousness this thing that is cussing and cursing and you go for instantaneous spontaneous whole healing and it doesn't happen the way you want it to and so you don't go back you don't get the healing you don't go back you don't continue what you do is you add number twenty six negative thought thinking that that's going to make you well then when you don't get any better you start focusing upon all the and you change and you think why didn't i do that way back there and let me tell you something i don't get into that type of thinking because you start adding on  there is no answer because you do what you do because you do want to do you did what you good because you did what you did so what but you see my education says i've got to be responsible for all that well if anybody in this room watching right now on television can give me a round trip ticket back forty years in the past roundtrip take it there's a few things i'd like to go back and clear up if you give me one in two yesterday anybody here give me a round trip ticket into yesterday and well then i just forget about yesterday and i think i'll live right now because miss moment i can deal but you see that's not wiser for not being responsible the educational pattern says bitch yourself in the head with what you did until you can't stand it anymore i'll bet you if we went around ashamed our head our heads would look like a sack full of door knobs by the way we beat ourselves you know along for every bad guilty thing we've ever done people say yes but good god i because nobody wants to assume guilt so then you get to blame somebody we have terminology i'll come back to that hopefully  we're running the premises is that we there create we either create our life and that means i stand up here and i am cognitively aware that i'm going to throw this water on those people or front row i know i'm a liar so the rest you can forget about so i didn't do it unless of course i did do it but on another level if you break out a sweat don't blame me well let's just say that another one these levels as we allow we allow things to happen to us we allow somebody to come and stand a line in front of mcdonald's when you have or are big back when you have a whopper attack in and they get line in front of you  the stand the lines behind you and you allow them to order but all the time the ordering your poison your food by your thoughts and we call it promote this is create allow or promote not all of them because most of us have arrived all through stages where we can create allow and promote everything that happens to us we there are doing with one or the other and we can be doing segments of all three segments of all three remember that energy talked about on the other side it will allow you to do things over and over and you want to where that comes in i hear it's called repeat somewhere you're seeing the implication there are we think that our life here on this planet is just one great big and that's why if we keep repeating over and over the same pattern of just ease why do we expect anything other than that to appear in our life listen what you got today who you are today and what you're working with is a direct result of what you've been doing since you've been born right now if you don't like what you got you can have to change something because you're the one doing it i'm not go change what if i change and it doesn't get better at least what i got i know i know it's not good but it could get worse if it gets worse how will i handle it what i'm going to do is i'm going to worry about busy worrying has a funny facet it called not enough data it can't move on it because there's not enough information in order to do something about it that's why it's called a worry whenever somebody is worrying i got to ask them for us tell me what you know about what you're doing and what you're going to do with what you know what the outcome is going to be with what you've done and i know that's kind of double talk the answer will come up with i don't know and that is why i'm worried if i knew i wouldn't worry if i knew and yet if we can create if we can allow if we can promote we also can know and we know often by repetition somebody said to me john rogers what is wisdom i said practice practice practice and i said don't get cute i said repeat repeat repeat repeat they said that's the same as practice and i said that's wisdom what did you learn the multiplication tables by don't want to do and you had him or did you repeat them what you did is you repeat them and then forgot the process by which you learned them process is called rote memory over and over and over and over you know what a habit is doing the same thing over and over and over and over our habits bad depends on what you go to do with it does doesn't it depend a great deal i have some real good habits eat drink whenever i get my hands on i'll drink loans doesn't hurt me how do i know the difference well you go read what this person wrote in their health book who later died of cancer and be sure not to do anything in that book because that book's guarantee so then you go to these people over here and you study what they've said what they've discovered and you found out that you're not a rat or a dog or a monkey and so there's a lot of ambivalence inside of you as i do i don't want to eat this food i don't want to drink this i don't want to be involved in this but if i monkey around  it's hopeless so i think i'll just be i'll be a liquid dairy and i'll just drink my food a lot of people do that you know the interesting thing is that energy i spoke about here how on earth does it get the body how does it get the body i found three ways it gets him breath blood in the nerves if those areas are got pollution in them guess what this is going to do when it comes in it's going to increase the evidence of the pollution call sickness illness  because what it is telling you is cure remove get rid of that if you could truly flush your system with this loving energy if you can flush your system it mean like a toilet plunger type get the system clean where we can truly say that is pure you would be in what we call health that health would radiate out from you as life giving in a gene as life giving energy the most direct sign the most direct observable instance of that being present is laughter volunteer and there's a slow lady oh god i loved her she was just so terrific she hated everybody and i didn't really care too much if she hated there but if she had me as long as it wasn't  exclusively sought out when she'd walk around like  she was seventy six she should have known better so i started working with her i was twenty two i should have known better i am but when you're young and foolish in the end and you know darn well you can do what and that energy is just pumping through  calm hormonal imbalance i am all the glans the same go but after all she was in the seventy six and one day i asked her if she was walking along like i said are you walking around like that she says i'm looking at the floor right then i knew she wasn't crazy and she knew what she was doing a lot of other people didn't know what they were doing quite here i don't know i don't know what i'm doing that lady was really sweet so i said well gosh if she knows what she's doing there's a chance you can educate her so i decided i would take her on as a personal responsibility now that's the stupid part you don't take on anybody's a personal responsibility if you're smart well after her i smartened up a little bit so i tell you about it and boy she just stood up there in all her four feet eight inches i told her head i am she's looking up at me her chin stuck out there i said tell me about  it you she told me did she tell me then what you just charge the next day to her psychiatrist tell me what are you doing psychotherapy on these people is hospital psychotherapy i was doing a thing i just listen to or i just listen to this little old lady stood up inside herself she did it through anger and she also did it i think out of self protection because she thought was going to walk her legs off she was back in the hospital about three months and the beautiful thing about it was when she came in she asked for me it's nice to be remembered is not by a nut i am a member though she sounds really intelligent that put you here the first time what makes you think i won't put you here the second time but there are no other families and i said yes there are and that lady thought i should have been locked up i think she's going after my keys because of the lock up ward said yes there are other families and the mazing thing is she looked at me as she just kind of sparked in her eyes as though life came away like what do you mean there are other families i've got this sons these daughters with these children with  grandchildren she is a great great great grandmother as i recall how can i possibly handle all of them i said that's easy leave them alone she was creating her problems and they were allowing her to do it and they kept promoting it then she would go crazy to get away from them i wasn't anxious to take away her craziness because she's going to go right back to that slot places she would came from and maybe really get sick and i really cared enough about her to tell her why don't you move as you're listening to the first speaker earlier tonight he said that  the x factor in the healing was carried well we found out what love is love is caring and sharing and supporting is not care share support it's care in get this word i n g that means doing it is it is absolute nonsense to think that enough love is going to do anything unless you do something with it and that reaching out and just touching another physical it's a matter of touching them that touching says i am carry for you i am sharing with you i am here supporting you and i can't do it for you i can do anything in this world i want to and i can do everything i can do anything but not everything we start to do the whole everything approach in our mind in our motions there is this and this and theirs and theirs and theirs and i feel so washed out about that and this hurts over here and that hurt down there and besides i didn't get enough money and but you still you can still be pleasant if we on this planet could reach an agreement that we could disagree without being disagreeable we are well on the way to help w some you people have driven hundreds of miles to hear this tonight an earthquake or is it just me and they pray there whoever is listening i am they might want to start out is there anybody out there who can hear me who can help me who can do anything i want is there anybody out there tap on the window or the desk but whatever you do don't speak in my head because if i hear voices all know i'm crazy you understand that see what happens is we get a little bit of information and college education and then we run the education as knowledge knowledge by the way it is used out here in the world it's worth a few things but if you ever notice that all the things that you know in this world have brought you to the place in your life who are you are healthy wealthy of and happy and can share that with other people to some degree some measure consistently from time to time to time to time i'll tell you why once you meet someone and you see them again you see them through the knowledge of the last experience we have to radically intuitively change our approach inside of us in our mind so that we get to come to people fresh and new every instant and use the process of recreat not just create but to recreate it every second a new creation do you know what that means then if i said something that you didn't like the beginning you should be past that already you just said if i don't tell you what you came here to hear tell yourself i have found out something though the lad like to share with you that's really important that energy in the line that i drew fact let's just reproduce it for old times sake because it might look something like this now that's when your understanding i'm sure is still the same thing folks it responds in this world here in this world of reflected light you see my hand because it reflects light  and you get to experience my motions when i left sure i'm with you and of course whatever the mind's been you've already seen that who won't talk about that level too much person said to me i know now why you're right why are anti intellectual and i found out how to get away with a long time ago i found magic words there healing tremendously healing they go like this and they and they work most in the in the midst of chaos they work the most in the midst of crime anything that can be i was in new york city in europe about a year and a half ago the first time i was going to get m i had had that experience this lifetime i was looking forward to it they said don't go to central park you get mugged and i thought that's right get to make out night because when i was younger my view was like necking i and they said don't take all your money so i thought well i will go through the name i say if they rob you don't have any money they might get mad because they need the money for whatever's happened to supporting and they made take your life that didn't seem smart to me because my life can't support  but the person came up to me and asked me a question it was the location was exactly forty second street and broadway in new york city on the rush hour if you've ever been there you can get mugged what did i say to that person that they would do that i found the next three magic words god bless you the person to cuff you know what i did i follow open the first time i had been rejected new york  was going to want to find out more but when he saw me following him he got frightened and ran down the subway and i was going down there i mean if he hadn't i've done all subways and i play you back so what we've done now those people i work with they've gone to all the subways all over new york city's put these great big columns of light of love of caring and they've visualize it and they feel it and it moves out and boy i think was a couple of trips ago i was flying over new york city and i said good god there's a white mist all over the city i out the window there was this mr over the city and i am having problems my eyesight is not all that good it's just getting worse now things are going misty but i could see in front it was real clear i could see my friends with  me then all sudden you know that intuitive knowing that aha eureka the light columns that these people had been doing as a silent ministry were fusing and blending and there was li all around and it was amazing to see that take amazing would be sort of an understatement because that energy the i call light living in god's holy thoughts says an awful lot to us as human beings one is we are one with two we are in it and three we can't even get i've got good news for you you can't get out of it it doesn't matter what you think and doesn't matter what you say you can't ok stop the plan to see get off it if you're in it the good news about that is if i'm in it if you're in it we're in good hand we're in a perfect condition right now being that we can't get out of the condition because we're at it why would we not use everything to our advantage all the time in the condition if this energy will allow us to do with it as we will for yea or nay why not have the wit to go the a way all the time why not have that wit i'll tell you why and this may be the negative no you've been taught since you're that little that you're going to be skinned alive the boogie man is going to get you are you going to go to jail or some or the devil was in there someplace with a few people i don't want for one minute to tell you that isn't true because on those levels that is true but there's a higher level where that is not so every realm of consciousness is superseded in authority by the next realm above it if you don't like the one you're on move to a higher one that higher one can be reached through meditation through spiritual exercises but it can be reached most definitely through service one of the highest forms of consciousness that we have on this planet is that consciousness of serving the other person unconditionally into their condition not to change their condition let them change their conditions so they know how they did it how they creat far too often we want to be do gooders in far too often we've seen the do gooders we do batters i know that's not real good english but if you got the message that's the nicest thing that we can do with anyone is to outlast their condition he wins who endures to the end people come up to me of all sorts of illnesses and diseases and catastrophes and stuff they create that i think how could that possibly exist in the creation that's run by such a loving energy called loving ms because that's how they do it there is one last final thing i'd like to share with you it is just enough that we say i love you god bless you is not that's just enough if you're going to get mugged that's enough if you're sitting in the room by yourself we want to feel good about yourself i love may god bless me but that's good enough but that me is the i am here but i just say i am ready am did you hear anything different it's the same one that spoke it is the same energy that spoke all we've done is personalize a personality eyes  sam fry's bleach or whatever make it unique and prayed it as a special form of life on this planet and it is not this form that you are looking now is an ordinary form of life that lives in the super natural way the supernatural way is living in that essence you live in that essence the only difference is i've been practicing i never took for a moment that because i did it was so i never took for a moment that because somebody came up told me a message from spirit that was true but at the the mind is like a parachute folks it works best when it's open the higher you give in consciousness the more open you will have in mind because if you start coming down you want to be sure you get this thing out to cover all the bases and it will ground all of your teachings and your life experience check your life experience that you have got it backed up into illusions and the way you do that is you ask the other people around you to share with you from that moment of honesty how they see see those are easy things to do but if if that's true that we've been missed created or under created so what we have the power within us to love ourselves into the creation that we want and we can love ourself by ourself by our talents by developing by building them until they flow out they will flow out you won't be able to hide people will have a flat tire from your house and come in to use your phone and stop and have dinner and you get married raise kids so what is the key in that the bible stated love your neighbor as yourself and where does the first responsibility lie with yourself is that a phenomenal thing love myself take care of myself stay off welfare do the work the way i can do it the best i can don't blame anybody just do it if i make a mistake only a mistake i have have the most fun working with lot of people that make a mistake and then over here about three hours later you come on a mistake  say did you do that they say no there is dumb now as they were when they made a mistake come on let's go back go back did you make the mistake yes come over here did you make that mistake back there yes you're smarter now than you were them because you know that oh if i own it i can correct it yeah but don't possess it because then you keep going to live making mistakes than owning the most take and making more mistakes of owning the mistake that's called sickness you understand that but by owning them a stake saying yes i did do that gives me authority over and i can correct and i can learn and i can use of as a stepping stone and i can lift above it but first of all of got to knowledge my part in it and if you did it you did that's what is in the moment of being with what is your in the loving essence you are in you are yet and what you've got to do comes the big challenge is to let it come on  t into the world you've got to be willing to get up here and make a biggest fool out of you as i do if you're going to back it or make a fool out of myself like that the language perfectly well how do you think i got to the stage of foolishness i practiced i just to get up into this of the you know perfectly fool that's the mother saying the child don't go near the water you'll drown but mamiya i only the shallow end and there's nothing wrong with a shallow well don't go diving in deep water if you can't swim just to show that you can dive in deep water any fool can do that you can throw a rock and it'll sink to take what you learn lean into it see what it feels like see if it fits you see if it's supportive of you see if you're supportive of it that is the bigger key there are a lot the masses can't be right or look at all the junk food on the planet it's quite obvious that doesn't make them wrong but at this to say there are alternatives people think that if you do an alternative lifestyle there are no problems in it i got news for you the lifestyle you've been livin is alternative there's problems in it they think an alternative lifestyle is easy i got news for you who are we going to solar sun and cosmic radiation and germs to produce our can be a lot of problems how to keep those things contained to do their job now they're doing fossil fuels and all sorts of problems air pollution fossil fuels is an alternative source of energy didn't you know that just because we've been used not all the time doesn't make it the real one surely people must know that the only real source of energy on this planet is us we are the source of all energy and we become that that puts together everything and makes energy move because we are the source of it not we the personality of the mind with emotions we that life essence that will go through everything and stay with us it not only stays with us to the end it sometimes stays with you for another and another am and another and we say well what is the scheme of all these things if i knew then do you think i person told me the scheme of all things is research were on it can't that can't be true why because kids are being born without research that can't be the reason for intellectually oh intellectually how about emotionally to love and care for somebody how about physically together while the getting's good and get out well isn't there anything here value the value is always what we create to be i value you i value you i value you what is that value that i nobody's business but me and what i'm willing to do inside of me for you can you question it sure do i have to answer no you have to answer if i ask the question that's how they manipulate you people say what you do last night and i said if you really want to know you should have been there to know something to know what it means now and that means there with it right now if you've been in your head tripping off intellectually you have not been in the essence of the spirit you have been in a condition energy where you have taken it you have conditioned it the nice thing about of this is now you know that can you deconditioned nope what do you do if you leave it alone and you move to another energy it will deteriorate by itself and weather away and the newness comes up in spirit all things are made new in loving who you are all things are made new in loving someone else who loves you all things are made tell her i think not just new term griffith fantastic you'll sacrifice everything for them and my god i hope that they ask you to hope that they'll ask you too will you marry me what and give up my way of life for you yeah i will center which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which occurred are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is what john rogers thanks for joining us