show good morning welcome to changes the program on sustainability i'm susan gregory the coordinating producer of the show and with me this morning in the studio is travis barrington who's the aterials british columbia and how that has changed how we do things at the n r a and how things have been changed in the city even i'm as far as i can pick up and exactly what that organization is what it means and how it's actually related to the n r a and other recycling depots has affected the regional district as well because they also have recycling pickup in the in the areas yes it is a it's a province  wide organization or system that's gone into place now so it's affected and i'm of the regional district as well as many other districts on the island and across the province so we'll talk about that too because it has changed the way things are done in some areas and  diggin and find out more yeah ok so i guess i'll just start by asking jan to tell us about b c and what it is and its relationship with the energy because that is something that still comes up a lot at the recycling it is a new way to recycle in b c and it is province wide and back in about two thousand and ten is when it was conceived and when i took over the n r e in two thousand and had been on the board of directors before that so i kind of knew a little bit about what was coming down the pipe but nobody really knew too much and so that's how long as a depot i've been planning to either go with an r go with m and b c or not go with him and b c and study the whole thing to see what it's about so you know when you think of it what the hack is program with a four letter acronym got to do with recycling and n b c it's multi materials b c and that doesn't say a lot about recycling really so multi materials b c is a program the ministry of environment invented a while ago and then m m b c is actually the nonprofit organization who is tasked with implementing the new requirements and it's all about as people are getting to know now it's all about printing paper and packaging right yes that's a big concern with a lot of our customers at the end we had our own system in place for a while that they were comfortable with and used to so things were changed so just so everyone out there can be clear on this m b c has not taken over the n r a we are working with them to write correct we have signed a contract with m m b c which is a five year contract which is similar to or the contract that all the depots the recycling depots in b c have probably signed and local government meaning either first nations or municipalities have also signed their own agreements for curbside our agreement is for a recycling  a really good at recycling partially because of education and partially just because you know the n r a has been there for a long time so when they show up with their band in the looks all different one  day pretty confusing because we did have to physically make changes to the enery to accommodate for a different sorting system yes so we are collecting at the enery on behalf of the museum they are the final final but they are the sword and dispatchers of materials that we collect correct and n b c contracted depot collectors like us and they contacted curbside people and then they also contracted processors which is called green by nature and i don't know if people have heard about that but that's where all the stuff goes either from your curbside or from the depot it goes to the next step called green by nature which is which is where it all gets processed so the end i read right now is still the good old meaning that those zip lock bag and bubble route that you things out of landfill but it is a whole new system of sorting right so yeah a lot of people have been getting used to that a few people some rude awakenings on their curbside pickup days but yeah we will still take everything that is we a couple of pretty intense months with trying to get used to it and and nobody could have really anticipated how well the m n b c message had got gotten out to the community not necessarily by us because we were not contracted to do that but by m m b c we didn't really know how well people understood what was going to be the new system or that there even was going to be a new system and so it's really been all hands on deck for the n r e to have stuff on the front line to help people figure out the new system and how to sort it because it's a pretty big difference in this area we never did have well probably at some time we did but recently we didn't have glass pick up at curbside anyway because glass is a contamination problem it can break and cause all kinds of problems for  curbside pick up so people brought glass to the n r e anyway but glass is one of those three products that have to be taken to a depot there's glass and there's styrofoam and there's those plastic shopping bags  that you now have to put in a separate you know bin in your garage or something and that's that's the only stuff and the rest of the stuff goes out into curbside so it was really hard to predict how the residents would understand and be able to use the brand new system where let's just say it hasn't been yes  part of education i was out there trying well educating people on the new system and it was a wide range of responses a lot of confusion and some frustration over this new system because like you said the people in the name of it especially those that come to the n r a are well educated in recycling already and dedicated to it so a change in the system especially one that on the surface appears to take accept less materials wasn't really met all that  but as we said before this is a province wide thing so in acting as a standard set of practices across the province what do you think the goal of this program would be  i i'm not sure i know all of them i you know the green fence in china started a lot of things here and all through two thousand and twelve and thirteen we could and maybe we should clarify what the green kind of operations they wanted to standardize their operations so weak that movement in china for at least a year we couldn't move plastic and so plastic was in all of b c you just you just couldn't get rid of it anywhere with people the processes were stockpiling so sorry to jump in but does that mean look most of the plastic was going to china before that a lot of it does not from the  collecting these things and requiring these things to be collected that it will start up new north american markets for recycling plastic in fact the last conference i was at i did hear of  somebody starting to make make some materials make some construction materials other plastic and weaving out of the low and plastic and so it is a good idea for us to get our own north american show in  order when it comes to waste because that is more local you know a real solution is is very local management of local waste but at least north america is a good step you know it's better it's not will end up that way that we have actually more recycling in north america so yeah that is a good point and a lot of people are concerned with that when they come in they've read something they've heard something and they ask where are our materials actually end up once they drop it off so most or all i would think of our materials go to processors or a lot goes to the lower mainland ok yeah styrofoam is still a difficult one it still goes to china i guess you know because they they we manufacture where they look for it you know and they want it and then you know something's come down to to survival the dollar figure for enery which is a nonprofit we've you know been really struggling the last few years and so i've i've had to start shipping our star from for the higher cost for the higher fee for the higher payment you know to china because it covers the cost of our labor to compact it and we the only compact are for north island so everybody is used to bringing their styrofoam to the n r e and so we have to peninsula of plastic they've made plastic lumber out of plastic bags so from the puzzled look on your face i'm guessing that perhaps that business is no longer there because i think some of our plastic from the island used to go there so that was a little cold remanufacturing possibility they come and go that's for sure it's really hard you know you want to establish a market that is going to be there for a while that you can count on and you get your pricing and so that in fact is one of my goals for the future for the n r e once we can establish you know a place to live or one is to really build that small market the entrepreneurial market and for not only some bigger markets like plastic but for some smaller things as well like we should be high grading mattresses and maybe we can do something with hygiene products and and carpet textiles and you know glass one of the you know nobody really recycles glass it's so usable but it's not well recycled compared to the amount that's out there and you know before our glass was being used at the landfill as a road base because it is inert it doesn't hurt anything by doing that but that's not so much more can be done with it so that is one of my goals is to establish small local entrepreneurial solutions for our local waste yes oh imagine a whole network of other non profits perhaps feeding him to the n r e to actually take the materials you generate these would be the non m m p and so i'm guessing but still that could be a really really good goal to look at yeah it's definitely something we would love to pursue it's something i believe i talked about as well in one of my first interviews with buddy boyd from the gi well because it's an international conference was chosen and you were you were saying because we voted against having the incinerator definitely had something to do with it yeah there was a pretty high profile that and it's seen as a place where a lot of really good things have been established you know you really got to give it to the idea and in the city for the profile they give recycling i'm really happy to be working with them with their interest that they do have in it so i do i give it to them for what they're what they have been trying to do so a lot of really good things were were in place and that's well known across canada  you know for especially the idea and so and then this concept of well what is really we have a zero waste mandate here and so what does that mean and and then this whole incineration thing came abo before we really had much chance to think about it locally boom there it was of a company trying to come in here in and do that so then we had to think about it really quickly and really intensely but that caught a lot of attention in the international zero waste community and so and these people coming to this concert to this conference they're not small potatoes they're really big names in in zero waste and so it's a huge opportunity for us to think about how we want to create our our future in and imo with waste excellent we'll take a quick break now if that's ok just to remind our listeners podcast and i will attempt to have the podcast of today's program up as soon as i can so that if you missed any part of today's show you will be able to listen to it at your convenience in its entirety just a few events that we'll mention coming up the hornby festivals starts this thursday july thirty first and runs through august ninth it says on their website that advance prices and on july thirty first so do take note of that this involves art classical music latin dance full groups family entertainment classical kids there are some free performances and lots more you can see the full program and ticket information at hornby festival dot b c dot ca what a great place to get away to for a while as well also coming up the long weekend august first two aug fourth the filbert 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sponsored by ten dory junction and remember that you can let us know about your event just go to see each other wired dot ca and click on submit your event on the menu at the top of the screen the program that you are listening to i'm c h l i want to one point seven f m is changes and today travis is talking with jan hastings the executive director of the and i am a recycling exchange about multi materials b c and recycling in general zero waste in general and i have a question actually of my own about multi materials and that is that when i went to the n r a i haven't been able to go lately i'm not the one in my household who's been taking stuff just in the last few weeks but i did go just a couple of days after m m b c came into effect and i was quite surprised to see that things that had always gone into separate bands and that i in fact sort at home into separate bins myself we're now getting all throwed into the same bin and i'm thinking in terms of plastics metal and milk  that yes for sure this is a question that i had a lot when i was out on the line talking to you and educating people and it is just a question of packaging versus non packaging this is what it always boiled down to and with m d c that large being you're talking about is the container band which will collect plastic containers paper honors that contained a liquid so like an ice cream carton or a milk carton or even a paper takeout cup from tim hortons or or anything like that you also mentioned metal cans metal takeout containers metal aerosols for non paints and nonpoisonous things metal containers that have metal lining for things like chips tetra pak as well are all going in the same area and then when i say plastic containers it's like yogurt containers milk jugs like you mentioned those plastic clam shells it's a long list and yes that was one of the big things is so many of you were used to sorting these things especially sorting the metal out and the milk jugs which we asked you will separate the milk jug actually for our own benefit previously because that was a more valuable  type of plastic so that helped us out but now with this system there are just collecting packaging the containers all together in one go and they do have a sorting facility where they are separated by material my understanding is that by collecting all these things at once in one area there is less sorting for the user and this will hopefully encourage more users to use the system because they don't have to spend as much time sorting out their materials i see yeah and some of these the reason he's the education good is a bit of go through and yeah often i would you explain this to people and i understand people are in a hurry sometimes and they want to get in and out as quickly as possible we can't possibly can only doing the recycling but there were a large number people who also you know took their time and listened and were more understanding of it and it is a new system and we're all still getting used to it and as we said before this is a province wide thing so we're the n r e had our own system that people were used to and were very good at following and now we have this new system that maybe it's a bit different and maybe some people view as a step back for us here but in all other parts of the province we were ahead in many ways so for the other part of the province to get this it brings them up as well so it is a big picture thing also i think i would also say that it's a it's a province wide program that is curbside and depot so really if you have a single stream curbside pickup meaning you put all your stuff in when bag and somebody comes along and picks got to all get sorted anyway added automated plant and so the depots are kind of just added on to that system and so you know we do have the three products that are only but the n  two to make sure we stay convenient for residents i also contracted to take the other five products which means we take curbside everything you can put it curbside you can bring to the n r e a plus the three depot only products in so yes it is different putting all those things in the same bag even i look in there sometimes and go wow recycling has shirt changed but it will get sorted you know at some other some other location does m m b c or do you know whether m m b c is hooked up with the contractors who pick up on apartment buildings who have recycling bins well that's an interesting question because they were also part of the mix i mentioned before that there were depots and local governments and then of course there is also multifamily and so with m m b c they did attempt to to include multifamily and so and those are usually always collected by private haulers not they did not have great uptake with the multifamily so to complicate the picture there is now another stewardship program called a steward choice which is going to try and do that  and they're not m m b c but they're going to be similar do all the same things collect the same products but they're going to try and work it out so that it makes sense for those private haulers to go in and collect from multifamily so that they can increase the you know include increase the amount that's actually recycled and i just want to mention to you before we continue on that i had planned to ask for collins for this show because i know there's a lot of questions  there still hopefully we asked i answered a few of them by now but if anyone out there does have any further questions they would like to ask us you can definitely call in and suzanne i don't know the number off of my head so to five zero seven four zero one zero one k it's possible i think you can still use the toll free number as well which is one eight five five seven four zero one zero one seven you know we give that out during our fund drive so in theory you can you can probably use that now as well if you're outside of our calling area ok excellent yeah so i just wanted to mention that but john just raised an interesting point as well with the new potential organization of the steward choice sort of picking up where n b c has left off since he is focused on the packaging side of things and this is the big thing that i would have to tell people when they come in is when they have a plastic item they have to think whether or not it was a package or not so i say well if it's a milk jug he bought the milk and it came in the jug if you buy a water bottle to use on your day to day life you're buying the bottles with a bottle is not a package it can still in some cases  recycled as a hard plastic resin so that this program is leaving a lot of plastic items that are not packaging as well as metal items that are not packaging and all these types of things so with the storage for is coming online is there any other programs out there that are maybe looking to pick up all the non packaging recycles that are still there or are there any new market for that because of this program it's funny you mentioned that because i read on facebook somewhere a comment from somebody who said i don't need a new hobby i just want to get rid of my stuff you know which raises the question of like how much do people really need to know to be able to recycle their ways  so stuart choice right now is is purely slated to do the same thing that b c does but that question of who's going to pick up the rest of this stuff is really a fundamental question for the n  now because that's how you see row waste you know strategy is to say wait a minute there's stuff like those baggies and bubble wrap it cetera that we used that people are used to recycling it days and i'm just hoping broke before and i'm hoping it's fixed now and i'm hoping those piles of cardboard are getting smaller one is commercial and one is residential and so we're having to do that in a number of areas but really the it's down to the to the n r a right now to say we are still keeping that stuff out of landfill and we're not going to give up on zero waste recycling and i don't you know it's i don't see it happening in the bigger picture and i truly believe that for example if and imo is that sixty eight percent sixty eight to seventy percent diversion right now that that thirty percent is kind of the hard to recycle low grade junkie stuff that is never going to be taken up by big business recycling and so that is the n r a is purpose then is to find little markets and and and make sure that those resources get connected to the thinkers and the entrepreneurs who will do something with it because i just don't see it ever happening in big business right yeah that is an excellent point so while we're on that subject of business and income coming in what are some of the things that people can bring in for the n r a that well they help us out as a nonprofit we do a lot of things that don't generate income for us but what are some things that people can bring to us some recyclables that would help us out that is really correct we subsidize ourself we you know we we try to collect stuff that like like etc that that we can sell and make some money and that subsidizes compact ing styrofoam and it subsidizes trying to sell plastic so the things  scrap metal is still really important for us that big red bin that you know causes all the traffic congestion is important for us because we we can fill it up in and you know make some money with that the other thing that's really important and it is part of m m b c and it is a new thing is to bring us those plastic bags that are from the grocery store or any you know plastic shopping bags and dry cleaning bags they are a depot only product but we're you know where we're getting a fair dollar for those and so that's important strangely enough glass has now become important for us as well so the container glass all the jams in jars not the broken dishes computers electronic waste hugely important that's not in them in b c knowing them all what you've got a whole section there for small appliances as well as electronics yet it becomes that packaging question if you buy a computer the computer would go to waste when it's done the box that it came in plus the styrofoam would go to n b c because it is a package right it's just one of those weird things that i think is one of the things people having the most trouble with and it's understandable can get really finicky and continue computers too on a previous show it was mentioned that those don't go to china that in fact there is a processing facility in trail is it or somewhere in that general area of b c so those things are recycled right here in b c is that still the case it is it is they have to be processed in north america in so i don't i think there are three processors for those i kind of lose track i you know i wish i knew more about where everything went but once it goes you know the recycling is still not perfect and it has gone into big business and you know we're going to talk about that a little bit with this stewardship programs because there's some things about those programs that maybe some questions are in order still so a processor once once we send a computer to that first place then it's being processed in north america after that i don't really know so by processing in this case maybe we mean they're just getting taken apart the different materials are melted down for example and then perhaps shipped off somewhere else is that a reasonable guess it is it is and two of my goals one is to know more about that another one is to travis and i are trying to do a bit of a study of e fees and to trace those dollars and see what's happening with them because it's important people pay money at the front end for the privilege of buying something renting it and you kind of want to know ok so those eco fees when i take that thing back to the n r e is the n r a getting that fee is the government getting that fee is the government just rip me off again you know like people have really valid questions about eco fees and so we're going to try and study that and get that information out to people people don't also know that some of these programs where people do like tires people pay an eco feel when you buy a tire but  e depot like the n r e doesn't see any of that and that's why we have to charge two dollars for people to drop off a tire we kind of got left out of that conversation so yeah it's a bit wacky and some things need a bit more fine tuning so yes indeed you wonder where the fee does go and why you are not at least getting part of it to cover your costs and it is difficult to find the information and there is a lot of misinformation misconceptions out there i've heard people wanting to be refunded that fee when they drop off their computer or their tire or their battery or anything like that and unfortunately just not how it works but that is we are saying where the actual money is ending up is it's quite difficult to track actually you should be the first people who would know that because you're the front line for people coming in wanting to dispose of those yeah we're the front line we're the ones who are interacting with the people who are dropping it off so yeah i would love to have the love for one of the higher ups who run the program after us to send me an email like would a petition from customers help you know it's very complex system of the eco few collection and then these stewardship programs that use that money to collect and recycle the products so sometimes i think travis has even found this in digging for information about eco fees as you can find the odd little tidbit buried in  year and financial statement or something on page twelve some other bigger were poured on page ten of a website it's not it but i do think i do agree that more noise needs to be made about that and the questions need to be answered where that money is going and is it going to recycling and how is that all working yeah so all of those programs tie back in via idea of this standard producer responsibility which as we mentioned is present on things like electronics tires batteries and also now with well the return of autism is one of the best examples i think another program where the producers of this packaging are paying a bit more to fund the recycling of it down the line which is why i think we're seeing on our end we're actually getting a bit of a fair price for some of the plastics and films that are coming into us  that front and money from the producers so and all these things i guess it's its goal would be to reduce packaging i guess in the long run because it's hopefully incentivizing the producers to make less of it or at least make it more recyclable or more sustainable i don't know if we're going to see results from that right away but i should have mentioned that earlier to is one of the goals is is it is meant i mean b c is also meant to  to make sure that packaging is actually recyclable i don't know how it's all going to work out but i have heard of producers being fined cetera if they for example if they produce a co ming packaging which is like those bubble wraps and laminates it's true that you can't get them apart and so you can't recycle them and so it is meant to also affect design of packaging and i think that's something i've come across to in the education aspect is it's a great educating people what can be recycled where it goes how it gets recycled but i think there has to be some value as well in telling people certain things can't be recycled and having them know that so that there would hopefully be more pressure placed on the producers to make these things recyclable because i'll see a lot of things like those chip bags which are a plastic bag with a thin aluminum foil in it which there is there are ways of recycling them but there is in fact no market for them right now because of the added cost of separating such a tiny layer of aluminum from plastic and trying to recover any sort of usable material from it the biggest item in my household garbage that i am not aware of being able to recycle is that crack only clear candy wrapper type of packaging that also comes on rice or pasta packages things like that does my making yes no yeah i hope you are to me and i hope you are to everyone out there because this is a big thing to what you're describing is  laminate plastic and it is not very recycled because it's usually two different types of material put together and so last it's kind of what you were just talking yeah so plastic is in many forms like we all see the stamps on the bottom of the numbers and those different resins their color are vary in their properties in weather and their recyclability so some of them are excellent being recycled some of them not so much if they get mixed with some that aren't with others it can really go up the whole works of those laminates and the way to test if you said it perfectly is if they're crinkly if you have a bag that crinkles or you can't stretch it that's usually a laminate if you have one that you can pull and it stretches   and bread bags and lots of things come in them but usually long shelf life items like like you said pastor and candy and rice are in the crinkly one and it makes the case also for making decisions when you buy things because if you can find rice or something in a different package and if you know that that one on the left can be recycled and that one on the right can be recycled then that then people can use that for making decisions on purchases do you really need your flowers double wrapped in the crinkly paper plus the other paper you know that's a ten minute wrap usually because that comes off and then and then you can't recycle that crinkly paper  so yeah that raises a very excellent point about with zero waste in general we've been talking a lot about recycling this program but recycling as far as your waste is concerned is one of the last options that should be pursued of course reducing the waste in the first place like we're seeing making those decisions is probably the ideal and pressuring producers to just make less of it as well so we have the option to not get it all in the first place  is still taking now you talked about batteries earlier and they do have a fee associated with some i think but i'm just thinking about those little bit on top of the bigger b that took things like batteries c the cell phone and there were various other things and those seemed to me to be not part of the m m b c program because they're not containers their products in and of themselves are those are you a our guests are you still taking them and b to you make any money off of them or is it just something any of the stewardship when you have a stewardship program like m m b c or the battery program of the electronic waste program or the power tools or any of those you it means that there's a program for collection and you cannot charge people a drop off that's the number one rule when when you go into one of those agreements and so you're correct we still do take all of those things and they are so you know every contract is different and some of them kind of pay their way somewhat and some of them don't really pay their way but again we try to make all of the payments balance out and cover the things that maybe don't cover themselves because we think it's really important to keep recycling stuff you know but that being said the enery we cycled something in the nature of four hundred thirty metric tons of electronic waste last year that's a lot of stuff for a city the size of new and i really think about it and that's only one there are other depots that take stuff also so if i'm purely in this for the for the money which obviously the n r a is not i would look at that and say yeah keep it common keep it common because we get we get money for a collective that but there's kind of something wrong with that whole picture it's not very sustainable and so i do think we've known the three r s for a very long time reduce reuse recycle reduce and reuse who really are meant to be the front runners but we often forget that reducing reuse and so i think i want to do way more with reuse that at the end i  think that is the next biggest thing too for us all to get on board with there are people who know how to fix things and there are people who want to teach other people how to fix things and there's a lot of people who don't even know things can be fixed you just go buy a new one and so i do think that reuse i'd like to see a whole lot more of it in these contracts are very tricky they don't really like that they want you to collect it all and put it in a bag and send it off well we need to ask some questions about that into to see how in a community like how can we get together and fix more stuff and reuse it well yes speaking of that i did interview as well for this program the repair caf and i'm organization and i know they had an event back in may and i heard that you had a second one as well i don't know if they have any other events upcoming but i do know repair caffie dot org is their website think so you can certainly google ye phone and i will certainly come up and i know they're beating on right now on the whole reuse front and that's very interesting in siting organization fixing up people who like you said you know how to fix things with people who want to know how to fix things to people who don't even know that it's a simple fix when your toaster breaks or your blender or whatever i've had a couple of things not go to the n r e electronics or small appliances thanks to the oh yeah they've done a real service for me personally so if things can be fixed and if you can find parts somewhere it's a great opportunity we had a discussion the other night at r s zero waste conference meeting that we need to think about a way to build the deconstruction area and so that people can bring stuff in we can take it apart high grade it even to recycle or just have those parts and things of vailable for people to use and i've just found them it's repair caf in ca but that sounds like a lovely partnership that could happen between yeah i had a great time interviewing them and learning more about them  hopefully if an ari is successful with our new site proposition we could maybe have a space for them or at least a partnership where things get set aside for them in the market is one area i really want to expand with the n r e is because we are an employment training site  to me that is just such a perfect match between some employment training programs because learning how to fix things is going to be marketable again it maybe hasn't been for a while but it's going to be marketable again and so and we have so many things that come through our reuse market that just need a little touch up or a little fix or a little paint job or something you can walk across the lot and get free paint from our paint return and fix something up it looks brand new and you have it for a couple dollars worth of stuff versus fifty at the store or mall and so i really do think that some of our future employment training programs can be partnered with the repair and re purpose and upcycling and all that kind of stuff it's exciting there and that brings up an excellent point as well about the n r a and our employment programs and tying recycling in those sorts of things back into a local economy with local markets like we had brought up before training people with skills to do this and be active and productive in the community and keeping these resources these materials local as well and you know while we're mentioning websites like repair a cafe i think this would be a good time as we're nearing the end to mention zero waste canada dot ca which is the web site for that organization as well they will have information coming up for the conference that will be happening in october so if you have more questions about that they can definitely check out see a list of speakers which is growing and scheduled events and all that and the n r a he's website yeah it's recycling dot b c dot ca and we also have a facebook page that you can search for which gets updated a bit more frequently i must say with events and news in tips for recycling as well so i'm hoping and assuming that people can find a complete listing on the website of all the things that you can accept yes we do have a what we take section and we always have staff available when you come to the n r a to help out as well you can phone us and we will tell you what goes call from time to time as well because as we mentioned we are one of the only north island depots for things like styrofoam and a lot of other dropoff so we get calls from parks filling errington in and further up as well sometimes so yeah we are two four seven seven kenworth road right off of bowen near that cluster of car dealerships we kind of stick out like a sort of neighborhoods it's not too hard to find us if you're around there yes the phone numbers to five zero seven five eight  you like to be moviegoers that's still very much in progress settled i would definitely give it the in progress oh my gosh that's been so so difficult over the past few years to you know we own the property next to us but we don't have to three million dollars that it takes to build the building and it was amazing the community support we got when we put out the call to help us save the inari to know all those people are there and still there and really care about the n r e was what kept me going i'm not kidding so still workin on take all of our use things and hopefully refurbish some of them as well i want to do remain wasn't we do now you know that thirty percent where we are a little bit plateaued sixty eight to seventy percent diversion right now i wan move that needle i want to recycle more and more and i want that to turn into a local green collar economy so and i am i'll keep that in mind that great to see and imo being a leader in something like this and actually looked at as an example for a lot of other communities both larger and smaller communities are we nearing are they just about we're getting pretty close recycling well it was nice to talk to you and i'll see you back at the end are you where you sit ten feet away from yeah well we're both on vacation of this last week so what we said made sense because i know i might be and i really that's for sure we'll thank you both for being here i think that's been most enlightening i've had some of my questions answered and we'll look forward to seeing what happens next we'll watch for some of those initiatives that you were talking about making in the future and hope that things work out as well for the the move next door so thanks again that travis barrington and john hastings from then and i'm all recycling exchange 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