there with my ignorance but i'm really going to be learning so bear with me and i'm happy to be here to talk about well i'm happy to have you here and welcome very much to our conversations well it's a pleasure to welcome to further i'm carolyn dean be learning about the questions of health and some alternative medicine notions and diets and so forth and carolyn welcome really very very much a conversation thank you very much i'm happy to be here well i'm happy to have you here and i w maybe you could share your own as we as i said to you could you share your own background please because what anchor this program and you and some of your perceptions and i know what you're doing is very important and i want to learn a great deal but could you learn i mean could you share with us some of your own background where you're born and raised that sort of thing well i'll start with the fact that my grandmother was a homeopath she was a nurse in homeopathy in boston and when my grandfather developed lead poisoning he was a photo  grabber and an inventor his doctor said well you have to sweat it out you have to go into the back woods they had relatives up a new for land so my dad who was entered into harvard medical school was taken out of high school along with his younger brother they went up to the backwoods as new finland for pete's sake and so that's where my dad i ended up during the war he went to scotland met my mother w room happened and so that's where it started oh we moved to nova scotia grew up there and you're canadian and the canadian your grandfather was boston right while my parents they were canadian but they lived in boston i see there was a that's a system of medicine started in the mid eighteen hundreds doctor name hanum and he decided from some experiments with quinine that was being used for malaria that people in the this quinine aboard torie thousands of miles away from malaria country were coming down with malaria symptoms and he attributed it to tiny tiny doses of quinine quinine and in pharmaceutical amounts was treating malaria or preventing it in some ways but in tiny tiny doses it could actually stimulate the started yes and we know in canada more about homeopathy because the british royal family uses it and that's what they tribute their long jetty to is the use of homeopathy and dietary supplements and natural traditional medicine herb's etc instead of resorting to pharmaceuticals so my whole focus is in my work as a medical doctor in a natural p is to use non drug substances up to the point where you need something that is strong like a drug but unfortunately in modern medicine today the focus is so much on pharmaceutical  drugs st instead of using common natural substances st have been a been using for the centuries they've been using those you had herbs and things that they found were affective in treating think that injury for example you'd use on a go our nick is from a plant called ana come on ten you know grows in mountains and the story there is when my goats fall off the cliff yeah they'll roll over and start munching on really calms down very quickly so it's it's an injury medicine that can be used also for constitutional problems which means qualified homeopath would read a person's constitution from taking their side effects from the drug they can all actually take part of that drug or an amount of that drug and shake it up in water and this is how you make a homeopathic remedy actually by luke diluted in water and then take a part of that dilution put it in some more water shake it up diluted again do that about six times till i mean there's almost nothing left however the water molecules change conformation they change their shape and take on the properties of that drug or substance that you were soaking up yeah and then when you put that in your body the body gets  natural approach to things may be seen with looking askance the way some doctors tend to see things and i was wondering the medical profession as it is you know with your board certifications or whatever is involved what is the general attitude of the medical profession toward this homie up at the end the traditional pattern the years singing the praises of it sounds to me like well right now i'm writing a book called death by modern medicine great death by modern medicine we have the website name down good well why i wrote this book is because modern medicine focuses on drugs they won in my medical school  business of both vitamins and minerals it's all a bunch of crock what happened in medical school back then mostly it was the students were taken on after two years of say a b s i had my b s degree in biology when i went into medicine but most most people were very young i went in as a mature student i was around twenty five when i went in the med school in the mid seventies and what i'm trying to say is that these young people were brainwashed brainwashed or indoctrinated from the beginning that modern medicine was all there is don't go to chiropractors don't listen to help faddists when we train you in our seven or eight years you'll have everything you need to know about medicine now at the same time we were taught biochemistry cycle that anyone who's taken chemistry or biology has heard about and it's a horrendous thing to have to memorize but when you look at this cycle of about ten different transitions every pa is determined and triggered by a vitamin or mineral and when i saw that i had already been studying nutrition and i went into medicine because i thought well i want to do nutrition nobody's listening to me so i might as well get in my medical degree and then people will have to listen yeah yeah and when i saw that i said well there's the bases of the energy cycle in the body everything that is done in the b over three hundred and twenty five different ands on reactions in the body now that means thousands of metabolic processes require magnesium so here you hear the disparity i'm in medical school and my bike chemistries thing you need all these vitamins and minerals i mean like the b vitamins vitamin c magnesium potassium so leonie and you need them for the body to work  whereas pharmacology doctors were saying well you just need this drug for the symptoms we'll get a diagnosis of this patient then they will find out what drug is needed whereas what i is that if a person doesn't have enough energy if they're fatigued maybe it's something that's wrong with their krebs cycle because they don't have enough magnesium or b vitamins to make the a t p which adenosine triphosphate energy packets in the body so there's this incredible imbalance well that would be things that would have been normal or we've been around two hundred thousand years and we haven't had these medical modern medicine that relative to the reason that had brought miracles i'm glad there's penicillin and yet our demise and so but i we haven't had that but that would have been things those things that the body needs would have been i presume over the longer haul and continuing got  and so that's part of the biochemistry of the organism and what you said was perfect you know for a couple one hundred thousand years we've been depending on stop substances like magnesium a lot life i call magnesium the spark of life so with this spark of magnesium plants grew and one celled organisms grew and then we developed so magnesium has always been around and then when i come to medical school and as you say the past one hundred years of modern scientific medicine where we're talking more about drugs and it's got to be scientifically they they take us away from the original aliments and take us away from our natural vitamins and minerals in our food and determine that all we need are drugs  again i come to the disparity but you do you have to reprove you do have faith in the scientific process and the way of getting at things or you did bring question to the scientific process is over the scientific you know a brooch and i mean couldn't the use of magnesium being effect of really good let's say for the organism be scientifically demonstrated so you're not is an exception to the idea of using good science in order to advance knowledge are you  any biochemistry you have i believe in the scientific brought in right you said it right there both good science and what we're seeing now in a number of books that have come out dr marcy angle former editor of the new england journal of medicine wrote a book i think it's called the truth about drug companies how they deceive us and now i'm sure that you know now what what's happened in the past couple of decades and and we see right now the the pharmaceutical companies have said that they're doing scientific studies to prove that these things are beneficial while in fact ghost writers write their articles they they've hidden the negative findings of their studies they put magnesium backing this picture is that when you take a substance any sort of drug or talks and even alcohol and ingest it your magnesium levels drop when magnesium drops in the body calcium is elevated it's oh i talk about it in a miracle of magnesium quite a lot you know so that the anti inflammatories the reason why they're perhaps causing this heart disease is when you take these drugs magnesium levels drop calcium comes up and you start having are to respect calcium build up in the arteries and you can actually get heart attacks and heart blockages and arrhythmias because of too much healthy and not enough magnesium so when they talk about and implement tori's like vioxx causing heart disease they're not saying how that cause i'm saying the cause may be a deficiency of magnesium that's caused by these drugs are you are you then indeed to magnesium or in the general thrust of what you're saying is that tried and true methods of which we've been able to function prior to the in the burst of medical knowledge and new drugs and so forth we might do well to repair to some of the tried and true nutritional ideas of a more natural way of unfortunately their doctors trained in modern medicine don't know what to tell them with my training as a natural path like dr i am look at joint pain and arthritis and i see a whole different picture i don't just see some sort of pain and inflammation that has to be suppressed i look at the cause well that doesn't medical science try and do that or medical bags and you know they don't look right or good at oh no they look i would say no i mean that would be logical well logic doesn't enter into the to a situation in modern medicine where you have a symptom and you have you look for a dr suppress the symptoms could really make a difference you talk about magnesium and the other nutrients bitin nutrients or whatever there is that we've got that from our diet and from the air and all kinds of considerations of a natural way of dealing with what we call drugs i mean wh what differentiates is make me a mineral i mean what differentiates what you call a drug from the pharmaceutical industry or the you know that kind of thing from these things you're talking about i did nutrient x when i'm going how do you make a difference in in modern medicine the way the the money cycle go in order to make money on a drug it has to be patented in order to pat drug it has to be synthetic you can't patent the natural substance therefore magnesium is not a drug it's a natural substance and it can never be patented therefore since the thrust of modern medicine is big pharma they will want to create a patent good that they can own for a period of seventeen years on a patent and make a lot of money from before it goes off their patent or before it goes on a generic perhaps an i c i understand that so it's a money thing and that's the thing that rears its ugly head right but i mean the thing is like i'm trying to stand things that a certain kind of level like it seems to me everything is chemistry in a certain sense if you break it down so all the chemical bond and everything like that but everything is true and what it where you were injured and that is natural all right what differentiate b and that that is as it appears in nature except they make it in some factories somewhere but it's still vitamin b there are two so you're at amoco good good good point there are synthetic vitamins right and i have an issue with those as a different well the body it's a it's a left left handed and right handed conformation leave though and dextro forms i don't know what that mean well if if you look at him and see you're talking something coming into it that way but if you have this it's not going to be able to join the body to in that save that script cycle in the right combination term before more acceptable to the body than from a synthetic source would that would the medical profession or the people who are interested in these things or accept your notion of this left and right in that the natural somehow from a grapefruit in orange rather than from a in the supplement dietary supplement world yeah there's not a lot of research funding most of the funding comes from drug companies and as of all ready described drug companies maybe an interface between technological intervention in the process by mankind and the things that mankind can come up with right and other things like media and other kinds of things we have an important things and some people think the natural or be better if we didn't have our input  intellectual record kicks in so what kind of question right getting at so what happens is if if there isn't the research being done on whether or not the body will accept synthetic versus natural this is the thing you were doing and all i'm saying is they haven't done enough research for us to make a big enough case for the for people to understand it so what happened in the whole business of the drug compan wanting to provoke patented drugs that they can sell they're actually promoting more and more synthetic vitamins and minerals synthetic in your in your vocabulary synthetic fake or is it is that it's a negative thing yes something that is made by mankind out of their brain and in the laboratory is somehow against the natural order yes you have that feeling about the evolution of consciousness and biological evolution  that it equally it's with our thought process that is in order for nerve transmissions in the brain and intimate would use our thought process i know you require magnesium what happens is if you have enough magnesium in the brain then it balances out calcium which is the actual calcium channel that that is talked about as transmitting nerve impulses i have people who don't have enough magnesium can get into obsessive compulsive a lot of that are on the situation where they focus on one idea all the time not only magnesium but naturally occurring magnesium in your when you no use the term natural natural things occurring herbal things things that occur in nature and you have a great faith in that organic farming organic process home iaapa the kind of things as opposed to  the import of technological manipulation of yes by mankind in that's a good point let me look at agriculture you mention organic farming well what happened after world war two was  green revolution and now i want people said that that the technology and all the machinery of war was put on the land to put in agriculture so that we started spraying crops for  bugs and using a lot of pesticides and herbicides and a lot of chemical medicine law the natural order it's incredible yes and we killed off the soil too to the extent that there are no bacteria in the soil anymore that helped to take up nutrients from the soil so in fact just here in december two thousand and four a study out of university of texas in austin they looked at forty three garden crops and they compared the the amounts of protein and calcium and vitamin b two and phosphorus and in the soil two very important vitamin for the brain in the nervous system and and for preventing heart disease all kinds of things it was decreased by thirty eight percent now that is astounding because what they've been saying all these years is oh you can get your vitamins from the soil oh don't worry and they've never done a study to say whoa you are the vitamin still in the soil now another astounding fact is back then they they had not even measured for magnesium or many many other vitamins like vitamin b six so that we don't know what they had back then so we'll get we'll just have to soon that that there's been a decline in the nutrients in our soil so we can never say that you can get all your nutrients from from your from your food as we had over the long haul that's what doctors will tell you all the time even today when you say we're vita nutrients supplement we definitely do and what does what difficult now in terms of people having access to dietary supplements you mentioned i was a health activist i've been over to germany to bon ok well ten years ago it was taken over by the world trade organization and they're trying to to kind of level the playing field throw the world in terms of food standards and food supplement standards and what they're doing is they're taking all the vitamins and minerals and saying well we only need this much they're in there taking what we call the r d a's or the recommended rider harry allowances or they're looking at the risk factors of taking too many supplements and they're trying to scare people into thinking that dietary supplements are like drugs now they aren't like that at all and sort of moving back to what i was talking about with the drug companies the drug companies are trying to take over supplements as if they were synthetic drug right and make them illegal so that endured you fall back upon the need to buy the australia in denmark and now in the u k and in in the european union what's happened is i guess as i mentioned before they're they're looking at these dietary supplements as if they were drugs and order to control them and in these countries since the european union is is legislating supplements for example in germany there are no health food stores and you cannot  they have legislated them away now in america we have access to dietary supplements but all the time we're hearing about how dangerous they are and that the government wants to legislate  a move to control them as if they were drugs so that they are more available just on prescription through drug companies the pay and then will be laying right it's an economic thing is like a car television of the whole process in order to get bottom line considerations for those that would do it yeah the drug thing is a really big question we've got the drug drugs you come up drugs as it is are natural occurring supplements nd drug things were got drugs like they've got this added to about marijuana anything that's going to be psycho active or something i don't quite know why but they see the alcohol be there and they've got this attitude toward drugs and then they see the drugs are dangerous and we have another big one that just serves you know the thing there was an article in the time magazine that happened to read yesterday about steroids and you've got there are so against the use of steroids to enhance the body process it is a natural body process that they're going to compete in a natural way back again to your natural notion of the thing but they're going to be a disadvantage you're going to bandage the people to take them and so forth and that they're asking the nation is all drug using drugs all over the place but on that thing they're going to trying to run standards that they can't use anything to enhance their athletic capability or something the thrust of this article was that maybe they should be able to use them and what is it about the human psychology that does not want to have any intervention into some sort of a natural process that is being enhanced by human one knowledge an ability to influence the biologic we're out there that  body so we've got people who are in hinting there are chemical body with all these drugs we've got kids growing up on ritalin and they can't they don't know how to interact socially so they take prozac and then they they go to college and you know it's a drug the world and so to enhance their performance with steroids is you know they've they think that's natural them run chemical body and it is not  steroids there is there's a real chemical physical problem with that because when you take steroids to suppress your adrenal glands you you create a situation where a person can the world in a way where they just engage in a passive way that they just deal with it but the human consciousness seems to be able to make things differently and i hate to say i'm pleased like i would never want to live in a world before they had nature and nd nature so st nature is you know garden of eden what we have available around us is nd nature are the extensions of man our own marshall mcluhan what we you want my help yeah i'm not going to stay well here you take prozac yeah i'm going to say well what's your dog and are you exercising and what you're sleepwalking what's going on in your world there's this whole spectrum that i'll go through it's not either well it's not even just take magnesium or take prozac there's much more to it there are all the nuances so you can't say that it's just natural or  and that it or i'm in medicine unfortunately modern medicine the drug based medicine is is trying to say to most patients who come in with a an obsessive compulsive disorder  prozac or any good they are very much on a blind or path of just using the drugs using the drugs as opposed to other things that affect concert it's in the case of drugs i'm saying constant but biological processes including consciousness drugs affect that and diet affects that and i think you're giving you the you know drugs exercise lifestyle the way you think if you run you get runner's high you get into a friend and we now know where from thirty or forty years you know about neurotransmitters you know the the biochemistry of consciousness is very rude and you know with that with exercise people who over exercise they reduce their levels of magnesium and other nutrients and actually well why would you eat it and it makes them think you know people do have this this common sense but i don't know i love ice cream don't you i have sweeping i think i mean big i think i'm addicted to hot  gets absorbed immediately in the bloodstream we get a bit of a high and then the body the pancreas has to put out a big surge of insulin to drop the that's a problem to push the  sugar into the cell yeah and if you do that thirty four times a day you're creating this up down up down up down a vicious cycle that over works the insulin in the pancreas and creates what we now know years old are developing adult onset diabetes no kidding because after ten years of drinking a few cans of soda and and sugar products every day you can't help but develop industry people are getting rich on it people are making money you know a lot of doctors the st cow the st i'm not sure of is true or probably not true that the st course you take in medical school is accounting keep track of the billing i don't know if that's true or not but anyway but it is that general way for the population who might be interested in the in their own personal health or the health of those around them their loved ones or what what are some general attitudes that are good for people who have to keep giving platitudes we there's diet lifestyle and exercise but maybe i could say look at the fact that we do have more than one body that when you're sitting in front of the television and you see ads for junk food or whatever intellectual level you may say oh well maybe maybe i'm craving this because of that stimulation not because it tastes good right and kind of use your willpower a bit in that way the war and use your sense and if you use willpower and common sense in what direction would it take one let's say for instance take it in a broad brush way diet are you constantly nor do you consul and what reason let's say there are people who are called vegans or people who are vegetarians or people who only eat wheat bras or something what would you console in terms of let's say diet organic as opposed to ghana commercial or because we have we do have to avoid the pesticides and herbicides because we know those chemicals are like fake hormones and they're toxic etc so i would go organic you can you can join what's called community supported agriculture or you can buy a share in an organic farm and then and pick up a delivery every week you can do that through the winter and join certain organizations that deliver organic so you eat organic and if you're going to take a supplement with magnesium pick up my book the miracle of magnesium and you can understand what we're talking about here and get some exercise move around get get your circulation going and sweat either through exercise or i like saunas in in new york the song is that the firemen are doing now the firemen from line eleven they're having incredible results by using the sauna therapy and the vitamin b three niacin therapy to sweat out their talks and so those are the those are the things i would advise and i saw the green revolution and the commercial that's talking in terms of yourself or your family or something so in a certain sense some people say that one of the overweening problems of our society is narcissism that this is leaving a psychological problem there's so wrapped up with themselves and there's so that they will say i will take care of myself but now on a broad scale i saw some people talking in africa and they were talking among other things about certain terminator seeds or bio genetically altered and that's coming in gangbusters now in terms of where you can grow plants that are very much bigger and they're much more successful with commercially generated new plant seeds and that sort of thing technological intervention and people were saying we don't want to hear about organic farming that's nice for some yuppies who are going to get know that kind of thing for people that are going to leave that kind of like it doesn't have practical sense we've got people to feed and by using this system we can and enhanced the growth and talking now not in a personalize yuppie basis o monsanto and don't produce any seats so that means you always have to buy new seeds of good is a way of controlling the market you kill it and you cannot collect your own seeds after a harvest for the next year these poor farmers in rd world countries are glad they're going all starve and they don't want to have cross pollination with less than better generated seeds and come up with i don't know are you reading your information by were people on the ground who are saying i don't want to hear the the organisms and the bacteria in the soil answer grow the plants will actually not take up any new trends you may get good looking plants but they're not they're going to be empty of any nutrition so the greens are you've got  empty plant and then you don't have any seeds at the end of the harvest to go and gather for next year's harvest it's such an incredibly commercialized a way of looking at farming if you know that it's too bad is totally synthetic it isn't necessarily bad no let's not go there a little cornish this topic so when you look at organic farming however if you plant what they call companion crops if you keep the soil writ and properly fertilized bogs do not come and eat healthy plants think they eat diseased plants so this whole business of trying to kill all the pests in the world right is never going to serve us well i was i was only talking about the concept of the people i saw a documentary in africa where they heard all about that kind of thing and everything but they said we are so happy that we've got these things that grows so well in this part of the green magnesium book yeah the topsoil used to be like twenty inches deep and now it's only an interstate there is such devastation and one of the one of the papers i came across was i think it fertilizer there's nothing else why do we need it why don't they make fertilizers and put everything there that they do expensive spencer so they just use a fertilizer that has some nitrogen and some what they call pot ash so that it makes the plants book good but there's nothing in the fertilizer i would tell you one time i had not too long ago i had a tomato i got it stored look beautiful and i swear to god i swear to god i got home and a cup at tomato and i took a drive by do it in carroll it had absolutely no case at all and i didn't have a cold what's happening is when people buy these beautiful looking vegetables in these wonderful grocery stores and they just as you do they they bring them home and there's nothing there and they say yeah yeah what we do is is in canada especially right now and where we're organizing in america as well is we're creating bills and legislation going to our parliament and saying look you know we're having all these problems with drugs d and modern medicine why can't we be more accepting of dietary supplements why can't we look at the sets as beneficial positive things for our health  owners right yeah well that's a good general problem is it's probably makes too much good sense that order to get much traction in this society with set up now but i really congratulate you on the work and everything like that and like as i got a lot to learn and the books to read the books you written i really highly root highly recommended by one and all and particularly the miracle the magnesium and i'm looking for one is the book on death by modern medicine going to hit the stand mark st march st of two thousand and five a curtain is perfect yeah a book like this and i talk about self responsibility and becoming an activist then and really realizing that you can be your own doctor yeah right i internet in order to get started down this health full path that carol is helping to pioneer is to go to her site which is carol cobb dot com at it ok so will recommend that to you we only touch the service of a huge of magnesium among other things and all the best the how the season to one and all kim thanks a lot for coming in thanks we'll be coming back again well tomorrow so please do tune in and once again carol it's so good to talk to you and i'm really looking forward to reading in depth the materials that you put forth until tomorrow then thank you for viewing so we just touched a service that you know and i love the title of that did you did you come up with that title or did well the bobby or somebody help me with it