this guy said so like the shots came from her you see where he's pointing he seems to be pointing down to the property we could call the one hundred property entrance to the park it's not clear what that's supposed to me pink marks for the overturned car i think you can see the descending staircase like i would there but any person over the any adult person over the height of four feet should be able to climb and get over and this is a driveway which leads to one twenty well there but why a detective would follow him up onto the flat roof when he could just call for reinforcements is beyond man i was he wanted to kill a bank robber a legit bank robber course when you enter this property you do have to be aware of dog quite a key card type stuff here and this looks like the kind of twenty four hour surveillance monitor that would provide the police with a really clear evidence but scratched up still quite intact just half a cup it came out and i right now it's seven twenty six pm thirteenth of april two thousand and fourteen and  is the official but as i've said many times the main guy who signed the death certificate only dr archer are in well he told me it could have been more than twenty four hours before or more than twenty four hours after in other words we have no freaking idea i mean it's not like they went in there and they they pinched his flush and they said oh well obviously the temperature and rigidity indicate three days ago so what this is based on what the fifth is based on his really i believe completely an established it's not like you know the police contend that they knew where he was on the on the fourth and then he was disappeared by the sixth and no one ever saw him again so therefore  i mean i've never seen this explained in any way so you know the more appropriate historic day for me this by the way is to convince you that you're getting my a game all coffee up and all that oh this will be an incomplete examination of details to date but by that i mean well anyway so is it the eighth so the eighth is a more appropriate day to commemorate but awfully convenient you know spring break starting or ending right around then and  the easter holiday there is an ash wednesday and a good friday in there too right so you know all all roads lead to saint cobain day  day feast of grieving you know for him for forever and ever and that of course is if you believe in the semi supernatural theory which really has not taken hold and you know that's one of our accomplishments over the years is just preventing the people including courtney love and his mother who once told me it's a spiritual thing you have to understand this is a spiritual thing she told me that at the twelve ten address you know and use the word spiritual several times so i think she was looking to become you know a sort of catcher in the rye in reverse that's a pretty awful thing to say about somebody but you know she was front and center this week at the rock n roll hall of fame she was the star attraction even more than  musicians because you know even though she's like seventy sixty five and say we seventy you know she had her blonde wig or you know beverly hills stylist thing happening and you know she could have been forty five she could have been seventy five skilfully made up and in better shape than you might expect and you know we have a tape clip i haven't seen much tape from this rock n roll hall of fame thing this week but there is a taped clip where in wendy it was channel seven locally here that really played the the wendy clip several times which is kurt cobain's mother at the rock n roll hall of fame with a message to actually they use the term message the rock royalty assembles oh this is not a very good time to be calling anyone rock royalty and  there wasn't that much rock royalty there you know i mean i am was there refused to perform a kiss refused to perform because they said they didn't like the idea that the hall of fame was only going to undock some of their members instead of all of their members which sounds terribly dignified and in the cult hated with all sorts of integrity as musicians but maybe they just didn't want to perform you know if you watch the telly late at night they advertise these rock and roll hall of fame performances available on video and they push really hard the greatest rock performances ever recorded and but really they are sometimes they have their impressive moments i'm not that i'm super familiar with it but in the infomercial you know you see some good moments but generally it tends to be a bunch of dudes on stage jamming together and you know he would have really appreciated  i know he would have although i know he would have told you that he did and and yet he really would have sour when the speaking for dear departed court kurt i mean what is she actually most famous for in the history of this thing but her comment to sometimes i believe it's tribute to her comment to the a p although i believe that it went first in that it actually was gathered by the aberdeen daily world but you can double check me on that it would be easy to to determine but and in case she said the stupid club she's famous for the stupid club he went and joined the stupid club i told him not to join that stupid club meeting rockers who died at the age of twenty seven like hendrix droplet jim morrison and many others and you know obviously people who heard that on the day he died and  know every person who's heard it in the last twenty years census has probably thought the same thing that i thought which is she that is odd that a person would be placing the cont one and only son's death in the context of popular culture like oh she was just super hip to what this meant in popular culture right away and also do similar trick to courtney love casting blame  and you know he's a fool who let us down he took the coward's way out i mean i'm just reporting what what is i'm just describing what is the common interpretation of hostility toward a person who commits suicide but you know course courtney love in the april tenth ninety four gathering at seattle center had a tape that was played to the assembled three thousand five thousand eight thousand whatever you want to believe the big crowd that she kept calling him an asshole over and over again and so that was even online in way i you know one of the big papers in india thought that that was a good thing to remind us of twenty years later because you know most people would think that it was bizarre and in the extreme although you know even if she was even say she even said in that tape message that she was i was i've been sleeping with his mother every night i believe was the exact quotation you can check me on that but she's sleeping with cobain's mother or does she have any conception of how that sounds it just sounds bizarre but you know these are all turn up people with big hefner sized beds and you know i guess they just you know don't have a dirty mind about this but still you know bob bob geldof's daughter died last week i don't see him rushing to take a nap with  see what i mean he's a rocker and a socialite and all that and when these things happen suspicion should be cast on the spouse it least in the early stages because  knows what goes on in any unexplained death case except that there's a lot of money involved as i said on the media now don't rule out closely examining the role of the spouse because who else is closer to the action especially the money and action car or a limo with joe walsh and the guy from electric light orchestra and there was no reason for them to be photographed together except it was odd that this happened last week right around the time  that mccartney could have been there cheering on the nirvana guys and also they inducted brian epstein manager into the rock hall of fame and some a kearny should have been there and you would think that mccartney could have been there kicking off you know some sort of worldwide stadium thank you with the nirvana boys but i saw no coverage that indicated that he was there at all the big celebrity story that came out of it was this big direct message to him and no cell did the same thing wherever you are our thoughts are with you meon because you know kurt cobain is dead and in the after all if he's somehow reading yeah that makes a lot of sense they were also on the tonight show with that new guy fallon and stevie nicks was there it's about the most vicious treatment any rock songs ever got where you remember you know the the female teacher who is a rock n roll square she puts it on the jukebox and then comedian jack black kind of bogies to it agreeing that wow what a great song even though it's pretty obvious he hit it hated it anyway so she's saying that with a straight face no no satire intended and and then the boys talked about their days in the van and then driving around and getting famous when they first sat down nova selleck said  oh it's it's strange twenty years now it's a strange our friend isn't here you know kurt you know they want to get it out that they're not afraid to say his name not afraid to acknowledge the passage of time and  and to call him their friend which is really almost a sort of legal status it's precisely what we've denied since the very beginning i may even be in our program number one  that didn't really have friends obviously he had business associates and these are his business sets its i did say that they were all friends and so much that contradicts that you know the kurt cobain project that was his  satirical take on what he'd be doing next because well he was said in the final months that the business and of the relations between the parties the members of the band had gotten sort of straightened out and that things are going to be rosy in the future but that's that's not really at all clear and obviously breaking free of a guy who is no fun to be around anymore and i mean  oversoul like at the end would have been a career move that obviously coming would've been contemplating so it was a really a big week i mean they got inducted i believe it was a first ballot kind of thing which not everybody gets i mean obviously kiss was her out for a long time before in iran and  they just got in and yet it wasn't really such a big deal this won't be won that they're going to be charging too many people in one thousand nine hundred five for a d v d i mean it may have a lacked a golden moments you know it was not a big jam fest and as far as i can tell so paul mccartney wasn't there so who the royalty worker or the only member of the peerage i can conceive of showing up to this thing but and what shouldn't he have been there  for for brian epstein the beatles manager their first manager really the person who created the beatles as a successful business organization here at least in the end the early phases shouldn't have been there should have been there to induc i wonder why obviously they're going to perceive my activities here are some sort of jihadi video activity or but it was you know this is the thirteenth oh i didn't get to finish my tale of  the date well the thirteenth is the anniversary of the first car was i'm programmer actually was called was kurt cobain murdered at that time so april thirteenth one thousand nine hundred this is the twentieth anniversary of that but it was only nine days ago that s p d gun the guy down either over there or over there it's not clear to me which and this thing at all and so now i'm transitioning into a discussion the guy that killed  days ago i was really curious about this guy because he was saying see the way he's pointing there it had it sounded like it happened right down there and there is a big lake behind him so he's obviously pointing to his right he is like one hundred yards that way this is supposed to have happened at thirty ninth and john not thirty ninth and and whatever street as i just look at it anyway it didn't happen up there one hundred yards that way i mean if you once you get up on the street it's fifty or sixty yards i think but it wasn't supposed to happen all the way up there and if he's pointing down he's point down not at the schultz or former residents perhaps at one twenty which is up this little path in the park he's pointing to the next property over which is one hundred and we just took a look at the garage this is supposed to happen the bank robber hopped on top of the garage and then the  from r e i they would not have been on the roof of that garage no way so it could not have been one hundred and you know my view of this thing is based partly on the conception of false witnesses the possibility that people are trotted out from nowhere who didn't witness it to give false testimony or people are coerced into giving false testimony to the media and in an inquest this many witnesses some of whom were caught on dash cam video none of them gave persuasive testimony that i was shocked and horrified that this cop killed this guy for no reason they all really toned it down and the reason they toned it it's because they were intimidated i think obviously i mean though the woman who is says arm tape on the on the dash cam tape you hey what why did you shoot him words to that effect you know if it was the same  erson and not some substitute who appeared in the king county inquest you know i didn't there that indignation was not there and it was not conveyed by any of the witnesses they're all you know shooting a little frail unarmed guy a wood carver with a you know feeble little knife that was found in the closed position and it seems to me when he scraped on that board and he's crossing the street with those little tiny frail guy steps that it was closed at that time too i've never heard anyone in the media offer that opinion but it seems fairly obvious anyway as far as the garage business goes the stranger did a teaser on their cover this is one of the two alterna weeklies here in seattle and this is so officer rogers detective roger of this park and that property and she whether properties over there took them two hours i mean there was a chase this week where king county sheriff's were assisted by an s p d s p d was such a biking county helicopter where they had thermal imaging and they were able to they were like a hundred yards up in the air and they were able to follow these i believe it was multiple suspects running away with thermal energy imaging and pin them down very effectively that was this week  not not twenty years from now when thermal energy imaging becomes generally they'll it's already generally available and it was in use this week so it's some sort of two hour time leg so the way they wrote it  up after a two hour search robbery detective jim rogers a fifteen year veteran of the force spotted a man running through the yard while other officers surrounded the area roger scaled the wall to get a better view of the suspect police say he saw spafford the this twenty six year old sous chef holding a roughly eight inch knife quote the officer was on top of this garage he was  detective renee with the officer said it doesn't have to end like this cody said something to the effect of i'm not going to drop the knife then charged rogers police sa conference where an assistant chief for mcdonough said that their conversation lasted less than a minute until rogers was suddenly in danger and this was this is an assistant chief who was there because supposedly the acting chief was out of town and he made invasive sorts of statements in the clips that i saw but i didn't see many clips and it probably didn't last that long but i you know i did also mcdonough says we're going to we're going to do what we can to get your timeline is like there was this big vagueness about the time he wasn't giving any timeline that he's going to see what we can do about getting your timeline on this why this took two or two and a half hours to track this guy down and gun him down and then you know with more than two hours to work with they had to have it all and then you know what can only be described as an instant death type situation obviously anyone's hearing my description they were the reason i'm reading it out of the paper is to you know make sure that you understand as a straight out of the tabloid here that's the story got on top of the garage or with the suspect who we knew had a knife and then gunned him down and you know it's been reported widely that it was with a rifle and i should correct one thing that i said in the program that aired last week which is that i was mystified as to why the police published a photo on their website that had a six hour pistol when this guy was widely reported as using an air or lights pistol or a soft air pistol i believe was the trade name software and apparently software is a term that's used either by six hour or otherwise but you know they make macho i think i believe their nine millimeter is very popular i believe their nine millimeter was used in the x for some reason the x files do was exclusively using their pistols of course so what i'm saying is that nine millimeters forty five's i knew i had no idea maybe the only testimony describing the moments of shooting the guy end but it is curious you know what channel five was down there at that intersection and i think was a police motorcycle that was sort of holding them back and then that's the video they used wherein they captured the sound of i think most media counted as seven shots very rapid sho so they were held back on there and other media it's at least afterward seem to have been held back here it is it's very strange that they are gathered around the site of the entrance to read a park at the top of the stairs and there you see the squiggly fifteen miles an hour sign there's only one of those signs so they were up with the media is shooting this with a long lens but here is the crime scene tape and they seem to have taped off an area that's about two car lengths from the entrance to the park at the top of the stairs so that would that would indicate that the action was happening here or not and look at the crime scene to the crime scene tape and they're not fifty yards that way where the shooting supposedly  and you know you can count the heads of the earth there are literally like twenty heads right there at least fifteen so you know and again i asked directly through e mail what the address was and i got a response to said we're only releasing that it was the one hundred block of the one hundred block i'm not even sure they said john street or whatever that street is but really i think what they mean is the one hundred block of thirty nine thing is that there was a big stink on the twentieth i was watching the news and i saw the person reading the news with i suppose there was some sort of graphic be a hurricane saying seattle police are responding to reports today that they've reopened the kurt cobain homicide investigation but they have of story it was like bad and i thought what the hell were they talking about and then it turns out that you know at that time a hand throughout the day channel seven was hyping their exclusive access to the crime scene photo how exciting and i believe it the first one released that they claim to have exclusive access to was just a photo of the cigar box and i believe it's a polaroid old though this i think is a color negative thought on one of the long suppressed items that if you're following this thing probably seen before a cigar box close to the more sensational want of course was cigar box open and that of course had the close up of the needle in the spoon where or in this case the two and then i had a very interesting month very interesting monday march thirty first this is the day that i went down to file my my suit and that is the thirty first was the monday on friday this is what happened you know i reach to twelve twenty one pm lengthy email to detective where did the media unit got no response but  an hour and twenty minutes before the l a times and then easy entertainment eleven minutes later had a story on the further release of the cobain photos that is they were only why there really only were i believe a grand total of two there were in any way a part of the initial story which is on the twenty s and i made my initial public disclosure request that first day and then  on the twenty eighth friday the twenty eighth it surely afternoon i write asking you know where is the further material that i've been waiting for and an hour or so earlier it had broken very rapidly and then others followed suit but later in the afternoon so you know l a times as far as i've seen did get it out at the earliest so he they must be on the receiving end of public disclosure material and  and then of course the the most interesting aspect of this was the following week and that is that two photos were released that are you are referring to as the  photograph and also the foot photograph a foot photograph has his foot his left foot up against a box of shotgun shells so that's mildly interesting and this is far more interesting because this is a body shot this is the clearest shot that shows the body and as i stated in our previous program you know the police have essentially vowed that they would never release a photograph of the body and yet there was on the daily news website the daily news had it as far as i could tell from from a google search the daily news had it on the third of april third it at twelve thirty eight pm and no one else seemed to have it and there you go the real shocker of the whole thing why did the police leak this material there was no explanation as to why they would leak it to the daily news exclusively in fact this still leads me to believe that it may have been a leak it is a leak for money you know that there were so many thousands of dollars available us police personnel who would lay this on the daily news on an exclusive basis and at the same time they provided me last week with the cd and apparently their contention is there was no misconduct there was no leak they released the arm photo in the foot photo deliberately on purpose although the reasons for that completely mysterious as far as i can tell from what they've handed over they've  suppressed about thirty nine photos and you know just to cover one of the basics here is was there staging at the crime scene where things staged where they moved around with the somehow rigged i mean i used the word rigged in our headline the title the program last week was the rigging going on was there stuff that was really yeah because i can demonstrate this with by comparing photographs at a future time but you that very briefly the wallet moves up on top of the small towel and then the towel in the cigarette pack and this hat are all sort of brought i gather in a more tight formation and the money is sometimes touching the cigar box and sometimes it's not touching the cigar box the cigar box moves a few inches there aligns you see the hand is right here so you can draw a lines and make this into a grid and just call that the handle line where the hand is touching and it's very obvious that these things are shifting around and even the most obvious is the moving of the open wallets with his driver's licen so that you know people get a look at half of it but you know definitely they could see his photo and you know that someone well i would say it's highly interesting if you're really keenly into this band or this person or whatever but there is this stuff is moving around in subtle ways like you know staging there's no reason i mean have you ever seen in any of the crime scene investigation programs that you've ever seen i mean there are things that this point is have to be more than a thousand hours of all the c s i programs and the law and order programs and other programs where they're talking about doing crime scene investigations of which you know the the most important part quite often is portrayed as the taking of the photographs have you ever seen anybody moving shit around to the crime scene if they want to you just want to take the wallop impose it closer to the other steps and get a tighter grouping on those objects might be more appealing if you know we had a tighter grouping on the object you never heard anybody say anything like that they walk in they touch things with you know the erasers of pencils and rubber gloves and you know never is anyone move shit around at a crime scene in any of these dramas it seems completely absurd why would they do that in the obvious answer is they're staging it they're staging it and they didn't really think that anyone would pay attention to the subtle ways in occurring which is a very key reason why they don't want you said oh here is the other one from the daily news there's the foot up against the shotgun sent out to the press releases on the lawsuit on the thirty first and this is one that sort of matters locally because it does have the p i confirming my case being a legitimate thing even if they actually had to wait for it to show up in the court system or wait for  to actually put on their shoes and socks and go down to the courthouse and check it out make sure that it's real in any case so many media organizations receive this which is the complaints initiating the lawsuit fourteen dash to dash zero nine to nine to petition for order of injunctive relief and seeking order of release of long suppressed documents photographs and the kurt cobain de on that day richard lee visited the area of the death discovery and began creating news and documentary material for his public access television program known as now see it person to person aired weekly for one year prior to this time and seen throughout king county on cable television please first broadcast on the subject of cobain's death was april thirteenth one thousand nine hundred four he has subsequently aired hundreds of hours on the controversy surrounding cobain's death during that first week in april one thousand nine hundred four lead began to make public records requests through the seattle police department media relations unit a few pages of records were released to lead but hundreds more were suppressed without explanation for these exemptions to disclosure of public records approximately eight months later police efforts through an attorney yielded yielded dozens of pages of never before released documents from the case some documents especially photographs were destroyed by s p d as exempt from disclosure using a rationale that they were offensive among the suppressed documents were images contained on undeveloped rolls of thirty five millimeter photographic film on march twentieth two thousand and fourteen d s detective mike says since he was the subject of local and national news coverage when it was revealed that he had developed the film and was making two frames of images available to media on march twenty eighth s p d released a reported thirty five more images from the films leave again a public disclosure request on march twentieth two thousand and fourteen through e mail to s p t s public disclosure unit and its public affairs office aka media relations as of today they have sensibly none of the photographs provided to other media eleven days later lee has dealt with these issue these s p t units many times in the past and says that they are characteristic uncooperative dilatory and non compliant with his requests for records and information on march twenty first lisa made it five questions on the subject of the thirty five millimeter films to the public affairs unit but as her sleeve no productive response to there were police official superior to detective says inskeep who ordered the development of the film says detective says he told the media that the films had remained undeveloped because of quote security issues and that he believes many of the images should not be seen publicly because they would not benefit anyone leave believes the detective says this case performance for the media was elaborately conceived to convey an impression that cynthia lone is in charge of any issues related to the cob photographs and that he alone has decided that many of the images probably more than one hundred frames should remain on scene perhaps forever obviously the most certain way of accomplishing that objective would be for detective order the destruction of the records which he may consider to be twenty years old although they have only existed as actually visible documents in recent weeks richard lee asked the court to grant injunctive relief in the form of  possible not perhaps in another two months as they propose and further lee asked the court to accommodate a trial on the broad issues of exemption from disclosure of the many known extant records in the cobain death case and have or have had in connection to this case the trial in lee's you should result in the release of all extant documents in the death investigation as petey's action it was over the last twenty years in this matter and also since march twentieth two thousand fourteen show that they are certain to resist full disclosure under r c w forty two dot five six dated march thirty first two thousand and fourteen in seattle washington  they actually managed to get it exclusive clip don't ask me how but they got an exclusive clip from cairo and then they put this little window on their website next to the article entitled kurt cobain conspiracy theorist seattle over new death photo it's thursday april eighth previously undeveloped police photos from kurt cobain's suicide scene have brought a lawsuit from a conspiracy theorist not a television producer not veteran journalist not of that who claims that the nirvana front man was murdered the impromptu release of the photos last week of the seattle police department drawn a lawsuit from richard lee a self described investigative journalist best known for making cobain was murder and of course the gist of this which is picked up by say many other media organizations especially the rock n roll the type of dedicated to rock music websites of which you know there were stories on at least a dozen but also we were featured in the enemy which is the leading music paper in britain that the idea is that i'm suing because there could be money in it for me although money damages are not mention and in this filing right but so the idea is that i'm all peeved that these things weren't released earlier which is a legitimate point of view but you know i don't have the press release with me here but the reason that for the suit is to gain disclosure because the photographs prove that he didn't shoot himself did not die of a gunsh wound that's the important part anyway it's getting late the monitor here shows that i'm getting pretty good video resolution but i believe that's deceptive it's starting of what he has to say concerning concerning the security of these these photographs and this is the bit that was not in the so called or off footage seven and a half minutes that cairo still has on its website and so that we're off footage somehow cuts out this important bit but there reporter it's not heard at the beginning but detective mike since he says having this film developed also just you know laid this to rest would benefit us all and the reporter amy clancy so basically this case is now closed oh heck i've gone into the i've gone into another subject or this is the conclusion of the raw footage having this film developed also just you know later arrest this would benefit us all amy clancy so basically this is the case is now closed mike says inskeep hopefully i'm sure until the twenty fifth anniversary comes up so the other media seized on this false reporting that the case was reopened but obviously at least some of the blame goes to the s p d itself because they're mincing and prancing around the definitions of you know examination opening reopening whatever but this is the bit that was in the window on the p r i page the on the scene bit in the so called raw footage  vault and i'll have everything sealed and leave it for the next detective to handle it amy clancy why won't it be destroyed  don't believe it will be destroyed for quite a while just in case there's more questions and whether it's looked at again is another question so that is the entirety of what they posted there to sort of show  that my complaint has little or no basis right well this guy is complaining about the possibility that they're suddenly going to destroy a detective since he said that it'll be around for quite a while whatever that mean he may also notice the detective says in ski it's not saying whether it's closed or not closed and so they may be falling back on some theoretical legal argument that allows them to say even though a case is closed they're going to suppress rel e not on case on grounds of both offensive material but because heck they might want to reopen it again some day you know for laughs or media exposure good public relations or because some stunning piece of evidence comes forward and therefore they should follow what i believe was the president sat down in the murder of a tacoma civil rights activists from the one nine hundred sixty s where i believe  the county officials successfully got a decision that that said th states you see with us right there in the stage as we can reopen this case in the statutes but it's not in the statues the paperwork they gave me says that it's in the it's in the case law not the statutes with the t and any at the end it's not the statues it's the statutes and the statues don't allow for suppression it's the re case anyway too dark to continue now but we do have this complete his friends kind of delivery to what he's saying i can only find a record of this guy going back to you know two thousand so he may be a transplant from somewhere further east it sounds like it even in the briefest sort of way of cold case detective