israeli palestinian conflict has been called the world's most intractable conflict it has its roots in the late one nine hundred to the early twentieth centuries with the birth of major nationalist movements among both jews and arabs both striving for sovereignty for their people in the middle east the collision between these two forces and the emergence of palestinian nationalism in the one nine hundred twenty s eventually escalated to full scale facing today jewish immigration to the holy land only escalated in test for ration after world war two and the holocaust which killed and exterminated six million jews two thirds of all european jew eight palestinian exodus also known in arabic as the nakba in english the disaster or catastrophe occurred when when more than seven hundred thousand palestinian arabs about one half of pre war palestine's arab population fled or were expelled from their homes during the one hundred forty eight arab israeli war between four hundred six hundred palestinian villages were sacked during the war an urban palestine was almost entirely destroyed now a hallmark of this conflict has been the level of violence from virtually its entire duration fighting has been conducted by regular armies paramilitary groups terrorist cells and individuals casualties of not been restricted to the military with a large number of civilian fatalities on both sides the most important critical issue facing humankind today is to learn how to understand the causes and prevention of violence but the moment we attempt to do that we're faced with the paradox that the main institutions we've invented in our attempt to prevent or at least minimize human violence have been morality and religion moral and religious value judgments commandments and belief systems that shalt not kill for example the paradox is that most deadly violence has always been committed in the name of morality and religion that's been true from the dawn of human history when the ancient israelites were commanded by their god to slaughter every man woman and child of neighboring tribes to the crissy pogroms and religious wars of the middle ages in the early modern era the sixth sense of the contemporary world in which violence associated with traditional religions has been supplemented by that committed in the name of political religions such as nationalism and t this common aid during world war two into the most extensive genocide ever committed and what's been called the collective suicide of europe we are deeply grateful to have on the radical meds and even today one of the major were students of the game and of vilna who settled in jerusalem in the early nineteenth century they oppose secular zionism and call for a peaceful dismantling of the state of israel in the belief the jews are forbidden to have their own state until the coming of the jewish messiah the name the tory carta literally means guardians of the city in aramaic and they see themselves as fulfilling and defending what they believe is a position of the torah unadulterated judaism they add a powerful and provocative voice to what is now over one hundred year old tragic conflict of arabs and jews with the ongoing israeli occupation of the west bank and gaza strip now reaching fifty two years welcome rabbi as around david weiss to the radical imagination welcome thank you it's an honor for you to be here for us living things to the world they are great first i come to thank god from a religious very religious family my mother my father my mother's lineage are mostly from poland my father is from hungry my father's parents were killed in auschwitz he escaped from hungary when the nazis came and then up the united states they met they married and i was born here in the united states one of my father's great rabbis in that was  and so basically i think the first issue would be to explain the difference between judaism and zionism yes o'reilly that understanding and also as you mentioned like a lot of things that you said w jewish or religious concept but has nothing to do with our religion and today we have a major conflicts major we have hundreds of thousands of jews who are a few who are apa zionist and they refused to go to the army i mean if i may very well but there were  religion nobody can refute that it is a real good ok it is a three thousand year old religion and we made this covenant with god on mount sinai moses took the torah from god on mount sinai to be that we should be subservient to god that is what judaism is and one of the concepts was that we have to go to the holy land and now that we should slaughter out you mention what our neighbors there is the truth and a lot of that but but basically that god said that they should they should not be any worshippers i do worship is and they were given the choice t go all around the world in other words we have accepted the covenant of the tola to be subservient to that of holding the laws of the torah that every may we have a we may be but to be in the holy land which was a requirement when we left egypt that was required of us to be on a higher level a very special high level of spirituality if not then we were warned in the torah by god many times that the land will reject you and all the words of the german is e q i say the prophet that we will be states there that we are on the three zero one that we are not to attempt to leave this exit which is of the korea of god which the other was that we were dispersed amongst the nations within the structure of the temple we are not to attempt to return and mass in large numbers to the holy land as a nation until until the day comes when the almighty with his compassion will make a metaphysical change in the world or humanity will stop being atheist or recognize this one god there will be a whole a a change in the world and then all the nations together will come up as a unit and serve god in harmony at that time god will rebuild jerusalem we believe i could spiritual concept out of fire will be the third temple that was three end we say that god was destroyed in fire all rebuilt by god himself through fire that god will rebuild it to fire so we believe will be with god will rebuild it without any human intervention at all humanity will go up and serve god and hungry so the should bow down to he said when it comes to taxation you are my king if you want to the rock that was service of god the new and the dog are the same in other words this is just the approach the asking about have to obviously we in fact war and he said that that that he heard from the one of the i believe maybe he was the ambassador one of the diplomats from germany that they said that hitler himself said there was like steven wise said that they're not they don't have a nation that i could fight but i will but i'll try to do is like kill the jews and so forth in other words history because theater because sorry stephen wise said that we should cause i'd said we should meet with the president even that was such a historic afford rabbits at that time today you have many such rabbis but at that time there wasn't and because they had a whole different approach they wanted to do what the jewish new thing is in the jewish approach is totally not detested the religion and they want to transform it and from out of religion to results judaism to a nationalist movement have a piece of land and that we should be respected just as the other nations have a piece of land where they want to also interested in trying to right but they both came from reform judaism which started the maybe fifty hundred years before which was a move but also to conform to the reform of the judaism in order that it should be pl for around a hundred years let's just say and then the zionists the universal rights well as an example there was the dreyfus trial where there was a cap and doctor in france where he was accused of espionage scapegoat for somebody else who was the real spy of germany and france and they had it was a court case and a whole issue and everybody started the many people started debating the subject and a lot of anti semitism swam to the fore and that was became a very open anti semitism and it was proven that he was a scapegoat and it was totally false the accusation and he was freed of this all charges and but the point was the the hurtful said you see here these are assimilated jews the non religious their his criminal act but the one who died was of the creed from god the nazis will be of course a burning in hell be subverted punished and so forth but that these everything is a decree from god maybe it was us him from god to show that in took a turn like the wind is came from that mostly from these people they detested the religion and they said well assimilation isn't working so instead of saying that we turned to god's way of following the torah they said we have another way we're going to make our own land to protect ourselves and he's got to protect rambam my money said we should not be busy contemplating how the future be what will happen it will happen but basically that's what we'll never deemed a threat although jews lived and flourished behind you for the last hundreds and hundreds of years in arab and muslim countries ultimately the pinnacle of that will be when god will reveal his goal we all humanity will serve god and we should be a light unto the nations by our ideally by a serving god properly now but again but this is two thousand years we were under these oaths of god since the struc temple that no matter what doesn't matter whatever hardship we go through our trials and tribulations whether it's the crusades the inquisition and all that we've gone through we should never attempt to return and make our own land that will not be the protection of the solution  and we work the jews are respected that we should not attempt to create our own sovereignty zionism which were already children and grandchildren of the of this heresy of who spit out basically who are strange themselves from for some imaginary state where he would be seen safe route one he was going to and that was imagined so i guess you would call him sort of a part of the well i mean just say every jewish person palestine and by going to palestine they'll be able to claim that it's a jewish state and they use the torah as a deed right god gave us the lab and they'll get the backing of the jews who don't know their religion unfortunately many of the jews of today here in the united states mostly  the return to the this way and god gave it to us right and then the also turned to evangelise to christians who who also speak about the children of israel in the land of israel so i made the star of david the size of the the menorah and they called  russia we get would you like very by to talk a little more about your political activities right a day right so the jewish people from day one who are living in the holy land now remember there was a jewish community living there for literally hundreds of smallest group of the jews it wasn't guys were muslim right and there was but there was you know just a nice minority of jewish people right but they were living in the same quarter yards as the muslim brethren and we have people from our community today right who are in the seventy's and talking about them that's hundreds and hundreds one thousand five hundred years or so and they will rule they ruled in palestine i am in the arab or muslim countries these people over there were distinctly they were sucked times will entirely by the islamic and but they were definitely were islamic and the jews were distinctly religious jews amongst that and especially in palestine and yet even though they had stick different with agent and there was no united nations or human rights groups to protect them they lived in the same quarters babysat each other's children in fact i back to show that when they made in the zine started coming up at the beginning of the twentieth century so the chief rabbi of the jewish community rabbi is out and felt of blessed memory met was at that time now under the control of the british mandate and again this is right after world war two we had a holocaust this word to search of european jews it was still but it's still the will you know so it that's something for non one the next one was rabbi the should ski of blessed memory and he he was taken up as the chief rabbi of this jewish community and he approached and it was in the documents of the united nations and he said we furthermore wish to express our definite  opposition to a jewish state in any part of palestine again we furthermore wish to express our definite opposition to a jewish state any part of palestine this is the question for the united nations july sixteenth one thousand nine hundred forty seven was ratified in demonstrations against the state now you can see this is in the in front of the white house this is in montreal in london in new york we have tens of thousands jews comes to demonstrate because the religious jewish communities that are true to their religion around the haters of the jews because we're jews when in fact when the condition of crusades were going on and other types of suffering in europe with the jews were embraced and taken into the muslim lands rules that were a lens that were under the muslim rule palestine they embraced us they gave us a home so now to vilify and to to tell the world that the muslims are against the creation of a state because they hate the jews and their anti semitic could be nothing than such a comment and therefore as jews we are around the world in the very religious community as here in new york right across from manhattan you have the largest concentration of religious jews in williamsburg for instance that one israel show you london in stamford hills in montreal amman jerusalem in these religious communities do even see arab and palestinian flicks like to tell the world this occupation this taking over of palestine is not a all the result of an occupation but all these people are trying to help the world understand that in order to bring a solution you have to know what the problem is zionism portrays it as a we different civility and we're telling the world you're being went we meet with the arab or muslim is or cross the boards and we're not political they all state one thing it please help us to have this freedom now the approach we have different parts of the time doesn't allow right but the concept is that if the world will recognize that it's not the it we have a lot to talk about but doesn't i hope it can happen because history shows that we've been living together in the same courtyards all the time and we are your ning we cry with the suffering of the palestinians we are your earning for the freedoms we could show as jews i would thankfulness and gratitude for the friendship of hundreds and hundreds of years and that we could coexist with want to god help with god's compassion to bring that the world to recognize both of could live together and with god's compassion we were only left with about thirty seconds how might our audience a dot org and and it's just a representative of the of the religious communities around the world while standing and opposition to this occupation again our hearts with the people of palestine and gaza the suffering we got to help a free palestine in your heart