well hello my name is richard scary welcome to our premiere episode of design for the times i've been a home stager interior designer and a contractor for the last twenty years working in the tri state area our show is  be all about style we're going to tell you for two thousand and seventeen and now two thousand and eighteen all the things you do to make your home sparkle i've traveled throughout new jersey new york pennsylvania and the surrounding towns in this area and have experienced wonderful things over the past twenty years i'm going to bring a lot of resources to you a lot of design ideas to you we're going to have all different sorts of people from all different sorts of walks of life and teach you how to do what i do every day i'm very fortunate today have somebody who i really enjoy connecting with and her name is kinda lolly out and can be a candle aleo is with the sure when williams company she is very dynamic and she has a lot to talk to us about today because i say to people if you don't have a lot of money one of the best thing you do to make a space transformative is paint paint is actually magic well hello hello i'm very excited to be here thank you for having me so i want to start by talking about your your connection with the sure one way and company how did that come about absolutely so like most i started in the stores and worked my way through assistant manager store manager and then i have branched out now i'm designer can executive wow just part of our marketing team and i handle residential architects and designers from new jersey sure you know one of the things in my business that i've noticed is that design is changed a lot i think when i started twenty years ago back then we were very much traditional we were very much into the jewel tones we were very much into very rich saturated colors burgundy gold lots of yellow colors trims work creams they were pure whites they were very different lots of olives and sage greens and so on and i would say there's been a complete polar opposite a shift if you will to a much more urban a much more clean lines a much more definitive style which is more industrial and i think that follows suit with color as well don't you yes color has moved from where it once was right traditional s and unique style exactly so the first change i saw was the graying i call it of america where there was this new development where everything that was a neutral to and became a neutral gray would you say that we started to see that switch where went from sort of neutral to hands to neutral greg i would say that's what's happened around five years ago yeah in the last five years we've moved from the baby right hand way like you said the can sure and that's the direction we've gone and now it everybody wants the whole home even great you know about five years ago i was working on a new construction home in hillsboro new jersey of the woman said to me i want every room in my big house gray and i thought what a crazy idea to make every room in your house gray and then i said all right we'll have what we make some of the room different shades of gray and then we'll bring in complementary colors you know if you wanted every room in her house gray there's a danger in that i think because if you're going to make your palette completely neutral you have to it pops and that pops don't necessarily have to be with pink color they could be with decorating but you can make something to neutral i think yes if you don't exactly exactly the other thing that you keep in mind with gray gray is the single hardest color i think to actually get right to differentiate between because it is just that it is white and black together so it picks up other tones all the time yeah and the biggest thing that people tell me often is that when they're painting a space they get a pink chip and they think they have the gray they want and then it came out lavender yes or blue or a little bit green why is gray such a difficult color to navigate in general so this is going to sound crazy but gray is actually the process like you said of white and black and there are probably gets to stuart is a light sources will affect this greys can look great they can look teal they can look pink they can look blue and it all depends on the furniture in the area the natural light the light bulbs what is the light bulb l e d is not  picks up the other color everything and most people i've got more work on doing color consultations which i do it my my locations of me the whole design doing color consultation because people can't navigate through the grays there's just too many right there's too many colors and then in the colors too many white there's too many grays and naturally people in a professional like you try to be able to bring you one in for an hour or two hours and let you show them what they think they want and then bring it to life it's very much true because one of the things that i have help painting and i see the colors painted out every day you know so when someone is looking at a small piece ship they're not getting the true color and what it does to a space when you take a white wall and you put it chip of gray or any color it looks like you put black on the wall because it's such a commitment but once something happens and i think you know the story something happens often when you're working with color when it surrounds when the color surrounds a room it's sort of softens doesn't it yes it becomes something else yes from when it's a small harsh little chip so when it's in a full space right yes you're correct that because and it's sort of soft now case in point i'm painting a house today my my crew is painting the house today in  flemington new jersey new construction and the woman picked a yellow and now yellows haven't been as popular this the past couple of years yes i'm seeing yellow as a pop color when i do a gray room but not on the walls yes so the woman picked a gray color which she thought would be nice for her children because it was cheery i look at this group this yellow color and it was green it was like this mellow yellow mountain dew green yellow and i had to say no let's come back and i got up early this morning and i went before my crew started and i picked a yellow that had a little bit more brown in the base because they were grounded by hardwood floors that were dark brown and that made all the difference in the world it had to be agreeable so most people i think need to know is that you have to do what you said candle and that is look at your surroundings look at the use or film of light but to see if your southern exposure northern exposure how high your ceilings are and other influences and that influences your your paint yes it absolutely does so i want to start very simply and i'm going to try to make this as simple as possible for our viewers and that is first talking about trim ok and i think what i've seen happen over the past five to ten years is trim used to be very creamy it was not necessarily white and what has happened as we've gotten to the grays and then the gray shoes which we'll talk about later is that trim is become very white even myself i was i always preferred white trim but i've gone the extra step to go a more super white or the whitest white they can have not like white out or not like a neon but a pure white and one of the reasons that i've opted to do that is the colors we're using more now are are very much are much more subtle than they used to be we're not doing a dark burgundy we're not doing some of the saturated gold in these colors so you need a differentiation a clear differentiation between what is trim and then what is actual paint on the color are you saying that across the board see in here you'll see right whites that are going to be paired with super vibrant colors which is great but bright whites also pair off light grays if you have a creamy white with a light gray then it even if it's the lightest possible gray right you'll still see the color differentiation so let's talks let's start with travel editor trim we're going to do ceilings and then we're going to do was i think people are very confused ok the first thing let's talk about trim itself trim is not just gloss to it yes would you say there's a practical reason for having your trim because there is a practical reason so not only does it look lighter and fresher and stand out make more of a statement but it's also more durable and i washable i'm going to think about trim in the sense of doors think about how much doors in your home to you can see much yeah just just if you don't have children or pets you they still take a beating if you have children and pets those poor doors or you think about how often you have to wipe them or they get nicked right here in there that's why you would like something and the reason doors and trim are the same is because you wouldn't have a different sheen on your door and then have your trim around your door be a different shine exactly because of the traditional semi gloss on the trim you would carry that over the door and then you're able to have it just be more durable and washable now for your trim colors are going to go with semi gloss yet for almost all situations yes we're going to use a white for sure when williamson everybody has their own terminology of their colors yes what are the most popular whites that we have so we have our brightest white as our high reflective white high reflective what we have extra white also very white in the title right we have pure white oak a very white and snow bound ok so i think snow fresh white those are our most popular very bright whites that match tons of colors from white all the way to dark navy and black a couple of years ago i started also see the trend besides the graying that people were picking really almost all off white shades as wall colors yes i've kind of seen that go away tell me what you think about that maybe if we can see it every now and then where people want everything white and they'll make their touches  they'll make flat white on the walls and the trim will be white semi gloss right and you are seeing it but it is subsiding more of a colorful fun sure that i'm not and i will say this i am not a big fan of white walls and i'm also not even a big fan of white exterior colors i like the different levels of sheen and dimension of something and i think color only adds to that i totally don't want people were coming to me and say they want to paint their walls a tinge of off white and then white trim i didn't feel that there was any depth there even though the sheens would be different i don't think there was depth there so even if for example i took a house in mendham that was white with black shutters ok it had white trim white garage door so when you drove up to the garage first all you saw that was transformative because then there was depth yes i think that's why it's important to have some level of color and then to have a true white i completely agree white on the trim for exterior is the perfect place to put it exactly only compliments and you know the big mistake i see people make is often most window trim is white you don't want to have white window trim and then cream would trim around the window a big mistake you want  be cohesive yes you want to be the same right all looks nice and uniform and bright pops of a clean fresh exactly exactly so let's talk we talked a little bit about trim let's talk about sealing paint because i think of all the areas of painting people are the most confused about suing pain and i don't know why first question i get from clients is why do i have to use ceiling pay why can i just use white paint so you really like you we can't make you do anything ok we'd like you ceiling paint right it is formulated for one wall of the house what we call the fifth wall right is up sure so it is formulated to be on the ceiling it is formulated for stains there on the ceiling and it is formulated to be put on a ceiling right other paint while can go on a ceiling is fine traditionally even a builder's grade flat is more expensive than the actual ceiling hey so why not get something that is designed specifically for the fifth walk exactly and one of the things is that unfortunately it's not a perfect world and when we build a house often if you're going to see rippling and imperfections you can see them in the ceiling so that feeling paint hides shadows so that's why we want to do a ceiling formulated paint yes and the second thing is the sheen of the ceiling and i say this to all the time to people in a perfect world if you're painting your house the whole house you want your walls to be matte which is closer to flat but washable you want your trim to be semi gloss so you can clean it and there's a differentiation and you want your your ceiling to be a dead flat yes yep and consistent with that right yes we always prefer a dead flat on any ceiling because it will hide the most imperfections sure so on a new residential property there's not many imperfections but imagine a home that was built in the eight hundred sure it's probably  you put a mat or a set or a semi gloss or even a gloss because you're going for a certain look you're going to take those imperfections and magnify them so that all people will notice is that no pop you have over there and  can show themselves that you think yes so the best way to prevent that is to do something that's very very matte so you're not going to see it yes you always want to caution if you well as far as putting up what you can right is still hide as many imperfections as possible right right so i was sort of i say the people pete is sort of the great amalgamated it's sort of like brings everything together so there are imperfections or maybe there's different textures paint sort of bring that brings that all together and gives you like a nice tidy package at the end yeah paint is the bridge yeah and it's also the cheapest thing to it's transformative like nothing else yes so it's like yeah right it brings it all full circle and gives you a full package exactly so we've talked about the trim paint we've talked about the ceiling pay let's talk about the finishes for a wall paper and i say for the most part i like to use matte products yeah let's talk about the different levels that sure one way and offers the different lusters ok ok so i'll start with the most base for walls what would you say would be the most base so depending on the amount of traffic sound traffic will depend on what you can start at a kind of a very low traffic room for example a guest room right doesn't get a lot of traction and there are not a lot of people cleaned every now and then a flat is perfectly fine right as you step up into medium traffic rooms all the way through high traffic rooms and that's where you'd like to start traditionally amat so that and then from there you can go up if you are a client that really likes shine there's no reason you cannot step from a mat to a set right and then from a satin to a semi gloss my question to you is what's the difference between a shell and satin or is that an interchangeable term ok so they are actually interchangeable there's a continuity yes from room to especially if you're painting the same color yes so that's very important to be but there is a misnomer i feel it's a misnomer that people say ok you can do math in all my rooms except my bathrooms and kitchens and my bathrooms and kitchens i want to do i don't want to do math i'm curious of your opinion of that and then i'll tell you what i do ok so then it all depends on what grade of paint you're working with ok you are working  what line of paint you're going with if you're worry me i'm you can go mad in every room in the house kitchens and bathrooms included tons of hot steam a lot to wipe up a lot of grease your fun you're a good shape yes with a premium grade product if you are more conscious and you're more intrigued eval to middle of the road depending on the job then you would have to step up your sheen have to have it last longer exactly so that's the difference so i consistently talk people into math throughout the house the consistency the difference between the trim and the wall on the ceiling and i tell you it's the that parents that you have are wonderful they're washable they're easy to take care of and then you have the consistency from room to room yes even if the colors different there's that continuity which i think looks nice yes so we talked a little bit a chance let's talk about the exciting changes in color ok kendall i'm starting to see color come back a little bit again don't you think color is back and out here to stay so i want to reveal on our on our premiere show the  everywhere here everywhere you could imagine yeah i'm mike and you've been a guest on my radio show modern design and w h y you are in flemington we dedicated one whole show to blue because i've never seen as much as i've seen graying of america this blue thing is hotter than ever i know blue isn't everything and some people may see this and say while i love it i can't imagine painting my home because that's a very big commitment to color right that is fine right  blogspot dot com and we noticed with blues it didn't matter whether it was navy for like a dining room yet or a mid tone blue in a bathroom or a very pale pale blue for a ceiling in a  patio area it was blues across the board yes and i think the blues are very much peered with gray eyed saying that gray is going to go away because gray is a neutral the blues often are accent colors you wouldn't do a whole house in blue it wouldn't it wouldn't look good so in continuing with the great trend which i don't think is going away what i want to talk about gray after that is that great in blue is a very big trend if you want to be current that's what to do yes i just  townhouse over west orange that was built in the eighty's and it was all beige base that had linen as the trim color and every room was sort of shades of yellows and creams and so on we did a very clean one of your extra white clean trams and semi gloss most of the walls were painted light shades of gray and then our pop color is the teal the blue green color and it's it looks wonderful on film it's beautiful and very fresh looking and very much transitional you could make it very traditional you could make a very contemporary it works with everything and i think blue is does a good job with that that you think blue does a fantastic job which is so nice which is why grace potter like you said yours grace so popular people were looking for ways to pair other colors with their great home fashions follow fashion in general now think about who could wear blue have because i often say that people often pick their pinkos based upon their own physical appearance if you're a blonde what's your best color below if you have white here if you have silver hair what's the best color blue if you're red what's a wonderful color blue so there's nobody that doesn't look good in blue it's sort of a universally beautiful and attractive are said here we have blue light because it's attractive yes so i thought why i think blue works so well and i think it's going to be with us for a while and as you said you could have a cherry very traditional cherry dining room set and you could switch above the chair rail and do a dark navy and you going to show some navies although i don't know if our camera will be able to pick up the right and you can do a dark navy and then you can do some maybe a geometric fabric on your chairs and now you're transitional exactly blues very good at doing that in my the color guru on my blog we dedicated one of the blo postings to navy dining rooms i love and i will tell you that i like i have done a lot of navy dining rooms i just think it's a great color i don't think i would have thought about it myself five years ago because it's not necessarily a food color but it's such an attractive backdrop when i say to people when we went to grammar school they would put a blue backdrop behind us when i took your picture because it's attractive if you're sitting with your guest in your dining room at night don't you want to beautiful backdrop that's why i think blue works as a dining color it's very popular dining rooms are are changing a lot now when i first started to see gray appear people were asking me for blue grays yes but the problem with blue grades are too much of a commitment to color and people were like i don't know if i like this anymore and they would get used to it then a lot of neutral gray like crazy neutral gray so if you're painting hallways or big transitional spaces it was good but then you use the buzz word in the bus word is great then the gray sort of transition we have a lot of brown gray yes do you think that's going to stay brown gray or do you think it's going to go back toward the middle but i think it's going to stay in the reason i think that it's going to stay and while it's been honed in on this is because it's matching so many accurate and it's matching right evil to bring in mixed metals different pillows pops of color whether that be white or pink or red or gold and it's matching shoes because those grays have the brown and gr and beige undertone bringing out different tones and everything in there very easy to go from one to static to the other they're cohesive they bring the whole look together no i agree that but i also think one of the reasons that people were going great is there is this don't want to peer it with a blue grey you want to peer with the brown gray so you pick up the undertones of the wood and i think that's that's a big part of the trends and sad part what else do you see training because i as i am in her house is every day and commercial spaces you have such so many different vironment you do forecasting you do seminars what else do you see people doing with paint so a lot that we see is for seeing pops of color so we have our two thousand and eighteen color forecast this is a very high and high trend style forecast so our team travels the world and they collect these colors and these color stories from different cultures you can use these pops of color together in with pillows and furniture you do not have to paint your room fuchsia right kendall i had to hate to stop there but we're out of time i thank you for being my guest on my premiere episode i would have anybody else thank you so much for hank you will look forward to seeing you again