following program is sponsored by seattle open door church yet all open door church is committed to loving god loving people and loving life our doors are open to whomever no mass required seattle open door church how many know that it may be easy to forgive others and may be able to say you know what i understand a god isn't the one that was an heir but have you know sometimes of our time forgiven ourselves because of the consequences are behaving everything to give you an example of this could be as good a little as silly example but it ties in is this morning i got up and i'm trying to listen to a t v show because i haven't watched a long time to see if it looks good on t v and all that and everything's working fine and i'm trying to get a shower and i'm trying to shave and everything else so when i go to shave i cut myself a nice big long cut ok now let me tell you about when it comes to that we don't forgive ourselves so i look and i mary says what an eighty it why and overall did you cut yourself you've used the razor for how long and now you cut yourself and as this blade i'm saying great now when the cameras on me there's going to be this big scar on my face and everybody's going to see scar and i start thinking about that then i think you know what i'm embarrassed i don't want to and when i see people go like this when i talk to them you see all that goes on and who makes you think that way and  right and so out of it if i take that little example and i say you know what i'm so embarrassed about me cutting myself because you when you don't forgive yourself you're mad at you right i'm so embarrassed my fault i cut myself and so you know i'm not even to sho church i'm just not going to show up for church i'm too embarrassed to show up in church you don't think that happens every sunday to some people they've lived for the devil for a week and they're going to come to church the devil says you hypocrite to walk into the church and be the only hypocrite there and i hate to tell you all of us are hypocrites at some point in time we all don't follow the gospel completely and we say we're going to some we don't but if you take all that that's what happens with people and so then you can't we don't move beyond the past because guess what i don't think it's a bad enough cut but what if there's enough of a cut that leaves a scar so every time i shave i look in the mirror what do i see a scar that reminds me how i can't shave do you see what happens do you see what happens in the midst of that is because then you can think about what you've done and you'll play that tape over and over again so when you look in the mirror do you love the person that's in the mere or do you see the person has done all the wicked evil doings it's a choice would staying and so it's made what is made you put it on it stops the bleeding or do you know that god wants to stop the bleeding he wants to stop the bleeding the bun forgive me and forgiveness that's in your life towards yourself and the holy spirit can bring healing to your life and it sounds silly what i'm saying but you know that's where it starts is if you can't forgive yourself for the little stuff guess what is certain are going to forgive yourself for the big stuff the reality is we should be add a play to look at yourself in the mirror and say you are chosen child of the most high god you are precious in his sight in spite of anything you've ever done your life how many times you've done it how many times you asked for forgiveness and and then you go back into there has to be a place you understand the forgiveness of god and when you truly understand god's forgiveness you know what happens you don't make the same mistakes but if you say i'm terrible at shaving and you keep making of value i'm terrible at shaving what's going to happen next week you're going to cut yourself again because you've made a vow and you're going to fulfill that vow you saw what you're going to reap it and what if you say you know i made a mistake i will be slower i'll put a sharper razor and one time i guess my at all up i use a double edged razor and you've got to tighten it up all the way and the reason you tighten up all the way so the blade don't wobble i know how i know that because i did type it up all the way in i started shaving and i felt like my skin was all being cut  narrower than a look i took gashes out of my head because i'm taking it the race isn't working right so instead of stopping i kept on going on to say boy it's catching what's going on and so i go more and there's pieces of literature skin that's  razor ok and so out of it is that when you do that you can say i can never use a double edged razor again because i'm just too immature to use it are you can just learn how to use it right isn't that true and how about in life ok i don't know how did i don't know how to love my wife i need to learn how i don't know how to be a good imply i keep losing my jobs why do i keep losing my jobs i shouldn't work i keep losing jobs so the solution is not to work anymore that way i won't lose a job was the solution to learn how to hold down a job and to forgive yourself for the mistakes that you've made so this go into the lesson from page three roman number for forgiveness and inner healing through forgiving ourselves what god does not hold against us we need to not hold against ourselves is that true if god does know something against us do we have any right to hold it against ourselves if we do then we say we're smarter than god god you don't hold this against me but you should but that's kind of crazy isn't it in hebrews ten seventeen is says and their sins and a lot of us deeds i will remember no more god says he will remember no more if we go to him forgiveness he don't remember it we may be dealing with true guilt because of how we have handled abuse to us in unhealthy manner we've been talking all along that a lot of times the issue is with people who move beyond the past is they've been abused wrong things have happened to them and the problem is the way they've handled it is they go into sin did deal with that abuse out of bitterness resentment judgments that al's on never trust another man never trust another woman you can't trust people of certain races all the different values that we make based upon our w and we make those vows and then we sin and we sin and we sin and we sin and we make bad choices so sometimes resist hard to to be able to forgive ourselves because we know we've made bad choices i was abused and so i went to alcohol and drugs who fault is it that you want alcohol and drugs is yours for a long time you may blame mom and dad or mom and dad for a long time but when you're in the pit over and over and over again all of a sudden you realize you can't blame mom and dad anymore who's the fault that you're the addict in the in the p so if you realize i made bad choices because of the views that happened in my life i made some poor choices along the way lord forgive me for the poor choices i've made if you ask them to forgive you for those poor choice you made what does he do he forgives you and then if you make a bad choice again that's a willful choice that you made a again then what do you do yes for forgiveness again and i would argue that many people continue to walk in in the sinful behavior they have because they never walk through the path of forgiveness because if you truly listen if you're doing something that's just terrible you're shoplifting so when you walk in a safe way there's a spirit shoplifting on you so you shoplift if you truly after you shoplift you leave you've got whatever it is you shoplifted you've got a piece of jerky three dollars worth of jerky and you realize as you're in the jerky god's holy spirit come vic's you you can't be still in from safeway and you rationalize because they can afford it i don't i don't i don't steal from the mom and pop stores because they can't afford a safe we can afford it so you do all kinds of head games to justify your sim but when you really go to god and you confess that he gets rid of all the head games that you play with him you confess it and you truly do that if you go in again and shoplift and you come back and you truly confess it what's going to happen after a while there's true confession you're not going to want to keep going to god to confess it so what will you do to stop doing it but if you never truly receive god's forgiveness you truly never get that that wrestling match with god that face to face encounter that we talk about you don't really go to god and really feel the conviction of your scent and get his forgiveness then you probably will repeat it but if you really experience forgiveness i'm abusive to my wife to point everybody tells her to leave me ok everybody says you need to leave that man is to abusive but she still forgives me how hard is it going to be to abuser again isn't it going to be hard because you truly experience forgiveness and once you truly experience it why would you want to sabotage it right now going to go later on the reason why is because we val's we make in our inner val's we make judgments and we make decisions and so we peak things because we made some vals we're going to talk later how to break those valves but in a general sense if we would truly receive god's forgiveness we wouldn't keep doing what we're doing over and over and over again how many when you came to christ certain things fell away certain things just you distant do many more than even pray about it is like some things just change and you know that's how you know you're truly born again by the way if you're truly born again there has to be some stuff that just falls off right off the bat if you're truly born again and you're the exact same person twenty years later you have to ask if you're truly born again because if you're truly born again the holy spirit going to come in you and he's going to do a regenerate of work within you and he's going to start transform you and some things you don't even pray about is just that you're different right now if that's the case there's certain things you just don't want to do anymore right he just made it that you don't want to do it anymore because that's the work of the holy spirit and so when we really understand that forgiveness part there's a place where we truly been forgiven i just don't want to go through that again so sadly many times those have been abused especially sexual abuse the devil tries to make the victim feel like they're the guilty party the victim is absolutely never the guilty party never if the person believes they're in some way guilty they need to understand they are not and they need to forgive themselves stop punish themselves when the done in the wrong to deserve the abuse nobody ever deserves abuse nobody there is no excuse for somebody to abuse you and yet people have been a victims of abuse and especially sexual abuse what happens many times they think they're the guilty party it's my fault a young girl drinking i looked at daddy the wrong way and that's why he sexually abused me isn't that distorted that start start but who gets somebody that think that the devil gets some of think there are daddy gets you thinking that daddy tells you you know honey i want to do this to you but the way you dress that's perverted but many people end up growing up feeling guilty for things that's not even their fault if you would have been a better little boy i want to beat you all the time so what if you grow up and you go to your dad you approach your dad it's a dead you know  i go there i'm supposed to forgive you and i'm to forgive you for the buz that you did and dad says what was all your fault if you haven't learned what forgiveness is you know you can do fifty years on and you walk out believing it still was your fault when you truly understand forgiveness you can break through that and i don't know if you if you understand there are not but there are many people walking around with guilt that isn't there guilt because of the manipulation stuff that goes on if god has forgiven you you're forgiven and there are certain things you don't need to be forgiven of because you're not guilty and you need to know the difference number one if god is not taken about it we don't need to we need to let the girl goal so if you've asked for forgiveness and if you haven't asked for forgiveness you're probably going to live with guilt because you ever received forgiveness but once you've asked for forgiveness then you're forgiven so if i did some to my wife and i asked her forgive me and she chooses not to forgive me have i taken care of my part absolutely so whether she forgives me or not whose fault problem is that that becomes on her because i've done my part and so it's the same thing with god if i go to god and i say god forgive me is god ever not going to forgive you is ever not going to forgive you he's going to forgive you every time so if you ask god forgive me and you don't feel he's forgiven you who's problem is it it's yours is not his if god is not thinking about it we don't need to we need to let the guilt go of god isn't reminding me every day that i'm guilty then i shouldn't be reminding myself every day that i'm guilty and if you would be blind if you're being reminded every day you're guilty who is reminding you see it is satan or you it's not god is not god reminding you so why do we go around reminding god so we turn around and we feel guilty so what do we do i'm a no guess what he's chosen to forgive it can you forget your if you can forget you lost your brain because we have a memory in our brain can god who knows everything choose to forget absolutely now might be honest with you i don't think god forgets god's all knowing but what does he choose to do differ give and as if he has forgotten as if it never happen and so out of it if he's forgot about it why you keep reminding me so every day i look at the mirror every time i shave i look at the cut and i remind myself you know what you can't you can't shave you can't shave god says you can i believe in you i believe you can use that raises the right way try it just use electric shaver the you know what there's a point of that though guess what is a wrong to use electric shaver so the reality is if you're if you're still freaked out about electric shaver in other words do something different just do something different if every time you you do something it seems to go bad maybe you should try something different and then you can forgive yourself because you're not keep doing the stupid thing every time  have grown up in a church environment a christian environment some other kind of environment regards amine cruel god so their guy did have god as he's up there with a hammer to beat you so how can a god's up there with a hammer to beat you are you going to leave if we can forgive you and i've met people so they don't believe they can be forgiven because their god is a god of wrath he's out to get him he's out to beat him up and i explained to him the crazy part is listen to me god doesn't have to use a baseball bat to beat you up because you do a good job yourself with the baseball bat right so if people think that god's out to get them we do enough of our own stuff to punish yourselves god doesn't have to punish just let me explain something to unless you're a very wicked person and god has poured out his wrath upon your wic is a spend all his time disciplining you your choices discipline you do you understand that so god doesn't that take a lot of time to discipline you because if if you're a drug addict guess what you're diction discipline you without god discipline you god's out to get me that's why i got bad no god is not out to get you and then makes you got bad guess what you do drugs enough what are you going to get you to get better there's the consequence of the sin that's already there but exactly right if some sin focus of forgiveness and freedom we can either believe in the power of sin or we can believe in the power of forgiveness to be there can believe the consequences of sin or we can believe in the forgiveness of god do you know if you're a believer in jesus christ that even if there's consequences for your saying god turns it around for good think about that if you ask god for forgiveness so whatever it is say you spend three years in jail because you stole from your boss that's a consequence of sin if you ask forgiveness does that mean you won't go to prison doesn't mean that you may go to prison but when you go to prison can god work while you're in prison can he turn around for good he can make something amazing out of it so if you focus on the consequences of sin as to the forgiveness of god we will focus on nothing but negativity and nothing about us hopeless helpless and there's no hope for me i'm just going to be stuck forever that's the consequence of my life and how many have ran into people that's what they talk about that's all they talk about how terrible life is how bad they wear a badge a bad beat me up i'm a victim when you see me victimized me by the words they speak by the actions that they speak they're focusing on the sin instead of focusing on the forgiveness that is there is the sin of others that they haven't forgiven or their own sin that they haven't forgiven listen if you are three years old you're five years old you're six years old and whatever happens to you did you have any control over that whatsoever absolutely none can i tell you if you're fifteen years old and for ten years you lived under abuse you have no control either is going to take the power of god to bring a change that person's life because they've been brainwashed for fifteen years that it's been their fault and so out of there are not saying that is just a snap of the finger and you can forgive others as a snap of freeing or you can forgive yourself but what we are saying there is the ability the power to forgive others and to be able to forgive yourself through the power of jesus christ through the work through the preaching of the work through the principles of the bible how many know this stuff needs to be going out to people they need to hear that there is forgiveness and that there is the power to forgive others and forgive ourselves be when we even have been forgiven sin is no longer ours to claim or hold on to make a choice to let it go make the decision to let it go so if you look at it as  more come to you shake yourself from the dust rise up of captive jerusalem loose yourself from the chains around your neck ok of the captive daughter of zion on this for the nation of israel they were in bondage and what is this saying get out of the bondage you're set free now take the chains off your neck you have been set free many people who live in on forgiveness of their self and others are in captivity and god is saying get out of the captivity you have jesus christ your lord and savior now you don't have to be a victim anymore you have to be bound up in sin and where you can be set free is this this and they will no longer come in to you the wicked will no longer come against you shake yourself off in the dust what is that saying how many anybody know the symbolism there is like you're in in the dirt your problem in the dirt any saying get out of the dirt get out of the mass stop marrying the same kind of person that represents the mother that abused you stop going to the same employer those done the same things over again how many know that there is familiar spirits and if you have a a spirit of lust so you have to break those things off you have to say that is not me that's not who i am anymore i'm a different man now and if you believe that you walk in that then you start to change romans five one says therefore having been justified by faith we have peace with god through our lord jesus christ if you have x christ into your life you've been justified your being made right before god if you ask for forgiveness your slate is clean i love erase boards the only problem is when you use a marks a lot on it because when you use a marks a lot what happens try to get it off is a kind of challenging isn't it you can get it off it you can get it off and hopefully hopefully you still have the white board because after you get off you might not have a white board you know what happens you take  the stuff off that white board and when you use anything on in that spot it wants to stick i like the fact that it says i've been justified by faith i've been made right before god i have justified before god and my slate  clean it is if god has taken whatever i've done and what has he done he's erased it it's no longer there that you've been justified pape by faith in that what we have peace with god how many know when you get right with god you can have peace you have tremendous peace but if you choose to keep playing that tape i'm no good i'm no good god can't forgive me god can forgive me i can forgive but yes you will not find peace but the bible says is a peace that passes understanding peace that doesn't make sense that's what it means and says a peace that passes understand you have peace and doesn't make sense you've had all these things happen to you you have twenty years of nothing but horror in your life but that god gives you a peace that passes understanding and you know what  that's a testimony and a lot of people would have testimonies if they let go of their past of the movie on their past but because they won't move beyond it they don't have a testimony the testimony isn't that you live perfectly all your life even though a testimony is to accept jesus when you're three years old in a love life as much as possible in righteousness to never smoke to never have drank to never slept around with anybody before you got married is that a testimony that's a powerful test  a testimony and some people think well i got to do drugs and then get set free so i have a testimony no you might not have a testimony you might be dad i hope every one of us we want to get free and not glory in the misery face to face encounter with god the power of the cross forgiveness and inner healing in or val's of bitterroot judgments closing open doors breaking every curse breaking every d section be filled with the holy spirit i can promise you that it will not take going through all of the material to be able to move beyond your past but if you keep track with all that we share you will certainly live a victorious overcoming life and i want to let you  that you can live the victorious overcoming life in your deserts can be turned into glorious gardens if you want to learn more go to our website as the d c dot tv forward slash moving beyond that's s o d c dot tv forward slash movie on will have the curriculum there we will have the videotape of each session so you'll be able to follow right along with us even if you're not at our church service yes you can move beyond the past yes you can live a victorious life but this is best to reject do you need to know jesus christ your lord and savior jesus said behold i stand at the door and not going to be one hears my voice and opens the door i will come be says repent you him believe the gospel will you accept jesus christ as your lord savior today you want to get more information you can always go to our website to learn how to accept jesus christ as your lord and savior you can go to there is hope t v god or seattle open door church located in during committed to loving god loving people and loving life she had an open door church once you did know that regardless of where you've been or what you've done god loves you there doors are open to anyone and everyone their services are sunday mornings at eleven seattle open door church is located at 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