well we have a lot of ground to cover and i think we left off with joe brazil and i'm going to start right in on that now with job or city hall and we would we've been if you joining us we've been talking about the history of seattle and trying to put some of the music scene together here and we don't have all the answers but we got a lot of them with mr griffin here who was in on quite a few things and i just feel honored to be able to sit and have these conversations with him now to move on let's talk a little bit about that that that moment with with the job or sale and what that was about and that whole scene because he playing jazz and then you go on and do what you have to do to your concept of your idea but never forget the basics of what you're trying to create and where you go on you know that that's written reason why somebody like you you use your you're the foundation and if somebody has taken a solo whether whether it be a singer or whether it be another instrumentalist it's got to be some room there for that person to everybody's way and even even if the person plays a little more than you got all out them that room to be creative that's right what i find is that here today's musician wants to show off all the technique so i called today's musician classical musician jazz classical musician because what was once given the term self expression from john coltrane that's what he told wayne shorter is that it wasn't about all that it was about it's self expression he said in his own words that i've come to to find that sure they may have said i play more music than everybody and i studied more music he said but it's not about all that is self expression and when wayne said that wayne has certainly you lives that and everything he's doing from that point on because alex that is exactly what it is the other point i want to bring up is that you know it was just unfortunate that joe and his being the brilliant man he was there at the university nor did the faculty and people in this community that don't know the history didn't understand how important joe's name should have been over garfield high school somewhere or a sculpture or something the joe university of washington you know they gave the i'm fortunate part about that is a mr whole boat and i think some of the musicians in the community along with profound because he did not hesitate to say black academy music so they want to change the description to the academy of music but i love joe because joe was humble i consider myself very fortunate to have been part of his music and i wanted but i those things should be done by musicians you know it's not about he was about everybody and it's about knowing people that open a door for you to have supper exactly you know  and this is what we should look there and that's why i'm doing this because it needs to be is it is important it is important that those people are forgotten i mean you know i heard the also need turn to stand that artists do not distribute the funds when there is funding for art the artists are the last people to have any say they have to go along with the guidelines i would like to see that part of the changed and i'd like to see more artists being able to to be to have more say about the funds that are funding for the arts instead of someone telling them that isn't an artist what should happen they should they need to have somebody on board or somebody that's in the board they can do that and i think i can do that  where it's more community based and about the history of seattle i agree with that well george you know let's talk about you you being the humble individual you are and let's talk about your los angeles collaboration because you know you were we now are the she self a lot of people don't realize all the things from hugh hefner when he was just in the mansion who would be up there playing for the legendary george quiff and i mean that's just to name some of it but i'm looking down here now george at this photo with what is this  so hard i mean you know i've i've done you know i don't want to get into it but i've done several things and i've never gotten endorsement for anything you know that i've done and and i was right in the middle of it but to talk about two issues here one that i'm looking at in front of me here i see this this wonderful picture i love all these pictures of these so i have to share these pictures now where was this taken i was tak at martini blues ok that was taken the night of the day after nine eleven all ok and i did a monologue  trinidad alive art's ok and i see i said yeah trinity's correction but as i look down i mean i'm looking here and i guess it would swoop was jane who did this article here so i'm just looking at it and i am going to read a little bit of it it says as i entered the annual salmon festival saturday i found myself moving to the bluesy temple of the music filling the park i was drawn to the opening tent where george griffin and his band were performing the george griffin performance gave me all i was looking for from an audience perfect perspective from an audience's perspective this opinion is one is from one who is crazy about the blues and most jass and she also said that  or she also said that a lot of peoples thought so too as they stood in line to get an autograph from you that's pretty desperately amazing from your cd so you know and she and she mentioned or he mentioned to say that this festival was was satisfactory was a satisfactory choice to have him as opening at the reunion yeah yeah so talk about that a little bit  and that lead up to the festival so in a first for come you've got all these young kids while listening to the music and then you've got the parents you've got everybody out there  well if you just viewing me and i'm sitting here talking to the legendary george harrison and well enjoy gin with in this with his own words in his own words correction as things he wants to say and