socialism today what is it what's it about why do they feel so strongly about the beauty and you would say not religion right my gosh yes culture about the culture is the reality of of religion what it means the reality is the essence of the religion and if you want history of sufism like history started from the first human being actually that and it's was mostly in the east but now with the present master like in less than fifty years i was all over the war that there are centers everywhere and like very active lot by brought some of the books here and we have like vast like history and lot of teachings and lot of books and cultures that all the masters has reached a culture of the community that they've been noticed that this books penalizes peace and that's something we want to explore also because what's important to you i know you've told me this is how it's there for peace and how you were there for peace so you were much your another generation aren't you and how is it how is it with you how does it happen with you i mean i was obviously born into a household that was members and i was born into it but i've had a lot of religious experiences outside of supers and i went to catholic school for ten years and for some reason it always comes back to this and how no one telling me this is the way for you no one's forcing me to do anything it's more like you feel at peace and what i like most and i remember from childhood is learning that it's all about you being you it's  individual ised sorest of religion or spirituality in my life it's not something that's tailored turn a group of people it's tailored to you that's what i feel is great about it to many of the classes the teachings are for everybody this is not something that's like oh you need to be muslim or even a son to to protests a paid it's not about that the teachings of s is referred to as the mystical aspect of islam but what does that mean the mystical and you start to break it down you understand that there's there's a whole mystery the whole mystery within the human being that is to be found and i think the piece that people talk about when they go to these sci fi classes it's it's not just peace that i go in and i feel peaceful it's the peace of coming to find yourself and to to what goals are mentioned you finding you know void of all the limitations that have been set by society by culture by family friends everything that you have been surrounded by since  you were your first born and that that's what is the whole point that i have taken away and i've been i started going to see the classes when i was seventeen like girls are that i wasn't i actually wasn't born or into a suv you family's home i was born and raised in salt lake city surrounded by mormons went to a catholic high school and at the age of seventeen i'm so at home and i said my mom who did practice and was praying five times a day my father very not religious you know gambling all the time so i went to her and i said i want to convert to catholicism she said as long as you're a believer it doesn't matter but make sure it's the right decision that's when i started researching all the different religions i found s going to the classes and was really intrigued by the chanting you know for a seventeen year old it's like some of the concepts were or a little bit too deep for me to grasp but i like the chanting and then chanting that the you know the movement of the that is created as you start to chant and that's how i started to go down the path and then my mother started coming my brother my father and they started coming because they saw how stupid them was it was changing me as a human being there was a great awakening with then and i completely changed how did i how did you change i was completely honest crazy teenager being a mind that is that is what the teachings you know are all about we are a mind full of treasures and jewelry and it's a shame that we look for the jewels and and the greatness outside rain it's like kind of surrounded by the air is limited but if it finds the way to the ocean when it reached ocean ilads all this boundary is not a drop of water anymore is the water is ocean all of us is the same thing we are all part of this vast existence we are all existence we are all god but light by saying everybody now is like fashionability they say that god is within you is in your are you don't have to anything that's become a reason for people not to do any discipline the same way you have to go to the james to get exercise to be healthy the same way there is different practices that we have to do the which prophet moses brought the ten commandments saying that these are the rules you have to follow in order to control to reach to that inner being prophet jesus come and show us the  way he says like you have to go to the kingdom of the heaven and then prophet muhammad he says that in that that uniting being one messed with a god so all the teachers actually it's hundred twenty four thousand prophets to all day is that the human history the being there are prophet that god sent us for us not to go astray but then people every time instead of like like understanding that essen different part of the tent and asked them to by touching to see what you think that it is so they want they were near the feet of the elephant when they came out they say the column some people there were saying no it was a fan because they were touching the elephant's ear and some people they were touching the trunk there were saying it's like a pipe so when they removed the have like different parts that's why i brought the candle in the book so for them as a pure explained like candle represents like or being we have like a physical part body which is like the racks and then the week  inner part so when they are completely in band balance to each other when they purify together then you there is the hand that is going to light the candle i'm going to do that that's why they say it says and all these beautiful poems you know nowadays to his and known so well like i said the poets rumi hafez but you know that's what's popular in western culture that all this love poetry it's to the beloved and the beloved i but it's the teachings really of the prophet you know yourself in your purest form performance your purest form all of the prophets said the same thing if they were so gather in a row now do you think that they would actually fight i mean it's it's so ridiculous to me that we find aids in the name of religion you know that we've missed the point is people we misconstrue the words and you mention the word words words don't convey the meaning is an experience that you need to have so i can sit here we can sit here and talk to you about sophism all we want and you might grasp the understanding the concept but to really experience the whole  few they get this if you've done it with no we haven't done it like you have to reach to the point that you know it doesn't go this no one knows but i think you're making it very very interesting so getting back to this idea of peace since we live in a world of contention and people very much not loving each other but against each other and wanting to blame each other for the problems that exist how do we find peace how do we are all hungry for peace how do we find peace those wrong learning or whatever that the society is telling you so by peaceful like blocks or the unit of the sighted the society becomes what we see that the conflict is not just like knowledge fashion that they do that mean that in fifty families there is more there more pacific they are more peaceful with each other or do they have the same differences as well you have differences too but then like i guess by teaching remembering your so early and reminding yourself of that all of the inner steadily tea that you have to reach like it is what it is our teacher was last week one of the teaching he was saying about like like how you make  front of the water the water which was going to waste you get the electrical power of just say for everything we have to put like some bonders bundles to controlled in order to use it like when you want to grow a tree the gardener puts like a stick next to it so to train the tree to go straight to same way with the be in charge or self is the charge over top so like you get upset with your mother but then if you are in charge in your mind yourself like what the conflict with your friend or your family and what you want to lead so you will find that tool or god measuring the yardstick you have to have lack of knowledge because knowledge is  zax which is that if you chanting sex itself means remembering and there is an example that they always strike that at this table there is not just four of us here there's another witness here you have to remember is here just because our eyes ears the five senses don't necessarily take up on that doesn't mean that it's void and it is not not a part of our very existence now that that is something that i always remember it is a it's a guide it's a helping guide that there is always something else and the five senses you want to make this point there to help us in this world but they are not there they will not lead us to the purpose of life we put too much we put too much behind our five senses and they're just meant to help us understand the material world but they will prevent you from finding the different dimensions within yourself there is there's a strict discipline mean i find it to be strict it's not strict it's a straight path and if you can stay on that path and you can keep your senses under under control which would help you you know manage your anger manage the things that you say all of that if you're able to do that it needs it very easy to stay on the path to finding oneself able to meditate and be able to use some of the tools that you learn in the movie classes inner identity and helps you find the purpose and what we see a lot today don't we are are absolutely people totally lost you know they don't know who they are yeah they don't know who you are either because of the you know who they are they don't know who you are and kind of running around in pubs it's all about impulse with no thought about purpose no thought about where it's taking notes i mean it's interesting that you say it sounds like say harvey says there's a lot of science and there's a lot of mathematics and there's a lot of everything it's just like she said you can't look at one part of the elephant it's the whole and that really is if you look at our today are master has that here his holiness is very well worth versed in myriad of topics and has had educational and you know great great credentials just in just about every topic that there is it is amazing that the wealth of knowledge that he just contains is just as a human being but that's because you can't look at as something with just through the lens of here's the you not to be a follower to be master of your own being and then we say that like we are the laboratory we are the researcher and we are  on it's going to be one of the guests of the course that i'm teaching at the senior resource center in march in the evergreen forum and that particular course that i put together a school building interface communities and so i say in a world of diversity and varied belief systems this course will open a discussion to understand and accept others in the interest of attaining more peaceful societies it's a margin it's going to be one of the i guess there's going to be two guests at each session from different coming from very different very belief systems and religions and she will be in the second session so it's already i checked the course is already almost half filled in the enrollment and it doesn't start until march so if you're interested look at the evergreen forum flyer from the senior resource center well i want to you notice  goes our you're in school or your i just graduated from an undergrad actually ok and so what did you notice about the other students around you were they did you see them searching for purpose or i feel like people almost get lost in what society wants of them or they're trying to find their purpose by going towards excessive school or excessive partying i don't feel like my generation we're good generation and we're very smart but there's also a sense of we don't know our purpose like there's so many things for us to focus on right now in life we have social lives we have school we have our families and a lot of people do have religious commitments but we almost lose ourselves in trying to be present at all of these aspects in our lives like there are so many different parts of our lives that we don't know where to focus on and i feel like it's difficult to know exactly who you are with all of these stressors and difficult decisions to make there is so much emphasis on that extra not that it's very difficult to be able to focus on the internal and quieting one's mind like i feel like my mind is constantly going i rarely feel calm are at peace within and if your mind is constantly going and you don't know how to quiet it how will you be able to hear the most subtle most delicate message from within it will be lost within all the chaos you know exactly if you want even the you have to be like focus you have to become cannot be like thinking about auditing so the same way you want to find your purpose you have to calm down you have to we have to like emphasize on finding that purpose it's in the tranquility and like being calm but then stored like if you are sick like the same way like you are you have a cold you cannot smell the food every diseases that you get so by controlling and by being in balance you become towards that health and toward that balance to in order to be able to do t this is the length of the show yes thank you so much 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