how do you stop people from upsetting you right after john rogers speaks will tell you he can obtain more information about the movement you know it's extremely difficult for a lot of people to understand the workings of spirit because some part of them likes to know there are spiritual things and the other part of them that has never seen the spiritual things doesn't know about that and so they like to encapsulate all the world in terms of what they know and put all the spirit in the same form and yet everybody who is involved in spiritual work will tell you that to struggle with your mind in terms of spirit is to waste your time how can that this finite comprehend that that is infinite how can it be done how can you do that if you have a method would you please come now right this moment up to this microphone over here and tell me how to do that i'll give pause while you do that well if you're not going to do it then i would suggest you don't struggle with your mind with what i'm going to tell you because you're just going to be proving the point that i'm wasting my time and i don't care to waste my time i don't care to waste your time in terms of physical level in terms of the spiritual there's no such thing because it's always present so it doesn't matter if we do anything or we don't do anything and it doesn't matter whether you understand or you don't understand in terms of spirit it matters to you in terms of your ego who wants to live your ego in the matters to you in terms of your pride and who want to live that i'm too busy living my own and i hope you'd be too busy living your own so that you leave mine alone then we can move on to the next level you see we often feel that we have nothing to give spiritually and we entertain then resent went against those people that do have something to give spiritually but then we in our mind sit and we belittle them and pick on them and find all sorts of excuses to deny what they tell us thinking that that denial is going to make something right or that it will dismiss something that's about as effective as getting a notice from the internal revenue service that you're being added to the tried dismissal mentally and see if it happens all the time you've dismissed it you're dying because you're afraid they're going to find out what you know they should find out if they're doing a good job and that hurts but after all you're the one that did it and so on that last moment you then cry out to god to intercede for you and make all your errors right and to then justify your eternal ignorance and make it all correct upon the whim of now you've been audited and prior to that you would hope that god would know about it so you could get away with it how do you work with people who do those type of things then they produce you in terms of the mind and say i don't understand what you said and i wished i could these people are well on their way to a nervous breakdown and mental illness because that secret resentfulness is going to trip them up then they start making their decisions in life based upon other people's opinions and since they can't really know what that other person is thinking their decisions more often than not come up with error then they start feeling the fatigue of defeat and they start to feel that no matter what they do it's going to turn out wrong and so again they'll crowd to god to help and they say oh god help me get over the nervousness and god says stop doing those things that make you nervous you say i don't want to do that i want to continue doing the things that make me nervous and i want you to knock out the nervousness and god just ignores you and then you try to get in a fight with god or one of the emissaries of spirit and they look at you and laugh and go on about their business and that just gives you more fuel to shoot and you end up with nothing then you cry out there is no god and think that makes it true these type of people are by far better off in those places call custody or care being upset is an inferior way of handling the world it doesn't make it right because you're freaking out or you're upset him doesn't do it and a lot of people don't like to hear that because they like to freak out but they don't like the results of the freak out because it drives them crazy and they say but i want my freedom to freak out it was like don't you get this that goes with that i said but i don't want that you say fine you don't have to have it they say but why do i have it we say because that goes with that they say well i don't want to believe that you don't have to believe that we say well why do i have these problems we say because that goes with that and i say i hate you you say fine it's not my idea that it goes with that i just happen to see that goes with that and i told you if you don't like that idea tough it's not my idea and then they say i want freedom and i say good luck how often can you see the truth manifested in front of you and grasp and gain freedom or must  continually play the fool reside in your ego resist with your pride and fall flat on your face and look dignified it takes a great deal of talent and practice and some of you are getting a lot of practice and i believe me i admire you tremendously and i guess i was never able to do that i always look the fool i always felt the fool i was somebody described it i knew who they were talking about i didn't like to hear it but if they said jew you sure were good at that and i say oh lord what a liar i know that i wasn't good sure i'd like you tell me i was that be the nicest thing the world to hear but that's a lie and so they tell you what you want to hear and all along in your heart you no longer believe them nor trust them because you know they're setting you up for the kill and so you resent them for telling you how nice you are when you know how bad you are you want tell you how bad you are you couldn't take it why you'd have to give up those things you're doing that you know are wrong who determines the wrong you determine the wrong can i determine it for you you bet your life i could determine for you and once i determine for you you're in it and that's why i won't determine for you but i do determine it for myself it's called integrity that means oneness without a second nor third and to have that you must have character and to have character you must have courage to look and that courage is going to rip you every way it will rip you every way and the only thing will be left after you get through is a pure  adulterated form that you are that you've been praying for that you've been scheming for all these existences it can be presented to you if you will give up that that would too hard i'd have to give up my bad habits and have to give up my secret resentments and have to give up the idea that you don't know what you're talking about over who ever said i knew what i was talking about i just know the truth very frankly that's all i care to know knowledge everybody else handle everything else because i'm very very poor at it i just have a hard time living fantasy and illusion it's so difficult then they say the truth will set you free oh maybe if i could possibly just stay in my little cubicle where i live and not come out in this cold world i might feel free but in the physical body there are restrictions i know you don't like them you came here thinking you'd be god and so did four billion other people so good luck how do we handle them all of these disturbances in patient say not me i'm going to get in there and i'm going to give tell them a thing or two tell them fifteen or twenty things and i'm paid tension to that either they're not going to be listening to you they want to be listening to what they have to tell them self in their mind and then they hear their mind speak something to them that they've never heard before as far as they know and they say i now have the message of god and out faults doctrine before you ever see it try it out on yourself first to see if it works and then if it works the only way you can pass it on is look i heard this i tried it work for me let me tell you you see if it works for you and this is the truth  work it and see that's how we come to truth not by declaring truth do we come to truth not by declaring it and do we come to an end the end declares itself when you come to it people are going to when they say well i feel my work is over on this planet i say and then die they look at me like what kind of an idiot are you gods idiot then what do we do your work is not over here and till you die from the planet you may just be stopping various facets of your work to go on to something else but it's not over until the end is there and it will tell you you don't have to tell it it knows you're just waiting to find out when that is and so you very impatiently wait for the end of want to get to you say not yet i don't want to go allowing people to upset you causes sex problems family problems drinking problems social problems nervousness tension guilt i could list lot of them so how do you stop having people upset you you upset them first how do you do that there is a key to upset them first your main line of defense is to remain calm and patient and they'll freak out i you have to do is sit there and watch them that's how you upset them first by you not getting upset and if they're smart as they like to think they are they're going to be learning from you how you handle them and then when they remain calm you can say i'll remain call right with them and that's called communication that's called cooperation that gives everyone a chance to be involved in the winning process nobody can win why not till the end is there you may win a segment and lose a whole tremendous amount later on you see the thing that happens is when you're unmoved by your enemy it upsets somebody come on you start telling you a thing or two once a person who is a great authority call a policeman it was tell me something about my driving habits you pulled me over to tell me are not things like when i get my driver's license and i told him where i got it and you want to know how i got it and i told him how i got it and he won a way i learned to drive and i told him that and by this time the guy was fuming and i said you sure get how do the collar easy don't you and he just looked at me laughing and we back my license i put my wallet put my pocket and watched him as he walked away shaking his head but believe me i improved my driving record rapidly because if you don't learn from the confrontation regardless of how it comes out you're an idiot it's called stupid it's called dumb so you declare you're wrong it's like yeah i was wrong the guy did me a favor pulled me over and call me a lunatic so i was driving like a madman didn't realize that i must be a good driver i would kill everybody that i give to myself later on down the road father gave it to me in front of him he'd give me the ticket to go along with it you remain calm in the midst of adversity or you have to eat it prepares to team will before me in the presence of my enemies you always have to eat it if you declare war in the presence of your enemies so you keep your mouth shut  one of the easiest things to do is that when the hardest things to do is that but who declares most of your trouble for you your mouth hasn't been that way when we shut up well they can get us there is a way i did it once when my staff members were do something i said shut up he said i didn't say a thing i said but you were going to there is always a way to get somebody if you really want to and all they had do was sit and say all right you lose immediately because why the presence of spirit there demonstrates itself to you and if you don't have the wit to see it it's too bad when we're under the spell of emotions when we're under the spell of emotions we get into arguments fights and family feuds we rarely do that when we're not under the spell of emotions and we're usually under the spell of emotions when we want something from them by way of proving a point getting their body getting their money getting their car proving a point never accepting their point or thinking they're going to manipulate us before they do and so obviously the thing to do is freak out ahead of them and take up all the space so there's no room for them to freak you win by occupancy believe me the price you have to pay the landlord is terrible because they hold that over your head from now on i can't talk to you freak out your time i say something to you you go crazy i don't want talk to you get away from me it's like that you're the thing i'm after why do i want you to get away i freak out because because i want to know i'm here it's like well there are a lot of ways to let me know you're here other than disturbing me to say how leave me alone but i love you i can't leave you alone do it it's dumb and stupid then you say why you say i can't help myself and the moment you entertain an excuse in your mind you lie the very moment you say i can't help myself is when you fall you may say i'm having a difficult time finding the right excuse for you and they're go probably smile and say any excuse will do and say well i just love you that's the best excuse of all don't want to tell me that you hate me the mere presence of excuse in your mind says your actions are not your own and you have to apologize for and you're wrong you ever notice that whenever you go out of your actions for somebody else and you start making excuses like well i didn't really mean to do that and and you fall apart it's very undignified to be holy and spiritual and fall apart what of those got to do with each other nothing so we again come back to well why are you doing it to please you don't please me i will please myself i know what i want you just think you know what i want i know i'll supply  myself don't give me a present give me money i'll buy my own present but isn't that the truth they buy a present or what a wonderful present i got to go exchange it and i can let him know that i got a great change in how my going to do this and be justified in and oh tell him don't give you a present oh no no i want the pres what is it greed yeah ok but you see as soon as your own up to it's yours and even though it may be a spirit of wrong as soon as you claim what you say yeah people they let it go they say ok at least we know that and when they let it go you let it go you say it was greed but i'm going to give it to somebody because i do not need it and you get very free but if you say no i don't have greed like why are you excusing it why are you making an excuse why are you lying don't you call me a liar i'm not you're calling yourself a liar i'm just telling you what you're doing who gave you a right to tell me what i'm doing nobody i took it is now what we always do to people we love we take it we take advantage we take this we take that what we give nothing i'm a taker and if so i'd give anything in this relationship i said i would take so i'm taking then take yourself out of here no i love you i must say it may be funny but these situations do abound the don't the course i bring you all here you probably wonder why you're here not to hurt your feelings so i tell you things in the spirit of humor but i tell you the truth and if you can get a little humor going you will look at the truth in yourself and that looking allows you that moment to gain freedom take it it's so important that you take it if you get a moment of joy of happiness take it it doesn't come around that often if you get a moment of contentment live in it because there are people around who won't want you to do that they'll think you should suffer for their sake let them suffer for their own sake people try to get me to suffer and i see what you are me do bleed me see i say i am inside i believe in these veins these arteries they think well that's not bleeding you decide your way and i'll decide my way you want to show of blood bleeding you bleed yourself i got mine going the way i like it that way why should i give it up for your father rob because you're going to give that up in a minute anyway so here i am bleeding and you're down the street with somebody who's not a bloody mess and one of my games by that nothing what do you gain by that nothing so why do it that's important why do those things that are nothing  coming to nothing why must we talk in order to make people feel comfortable that we're with them why don't we make them feel uncomfortable shut up it might be we shut up they feel comfortable like last they shut up when you make decisions that are not your own and that's possible you forfeit the right to the result i could explain it to you but why should i you're smart you're intelligent you think about you solve it but then when you don't get what you think is yours maybe it's because it wasn't yours and you didn't have the decision for yourself so you let it go i wrote a little note here i was watching the person the other day do something and as i watched him do it i wrote it down and when i had lunch with them i said i want to read you something that you and they said fine and i had written down this everything that excites you emotionally and causes you to lose awareness contributes to its growth and to the ultimate death of the real you we say well can i have excitement you want to die then how do i live in that there's no living in that but but it feels good lot of things feel good gorging yourself with rich food feels good the byproduct is death like well what about my motions that's a good question what about your emotions well i really can't move around a thing unless i feel like it tough luck must you always feel good before you can move on good can't you do things that are right because it's the right thing to do can't you discipline yourself not because it feels good because it's the right thing to do sure you can sure you can how do you do this by spontaneously and in in the present and use awareness as your guiding light by spontaneously and intuitively living which means you're not going to control the conversation they'll say this i'll say that they'll say this i'll say that they'll say this i'll do that they say that are here so i want to i will say this i'll do this then when they say that i'll do that and you come up on the phone they say they're not in you hang out you say well why are they and i had the conversation all set you're not spontaneously living what does that mean what am i saying in terms of spontaneously and intuitively living let go let go when we relax we let go when we let god we spontaneously live in the intuitive nature and the spirit comes in and guides us through awareness now the old cliche let go and let god isn't so far fetched is it because a lot of people say well how do i let go when and how do i let god i say ok god do it and i'm all upset relax relax be patient be patient yes you're waiting on the lord isn't worthwhile to be patient waiting on the lord yet when's he coming no no relax well will find out what is coming never more than there's no need to try anything i might as well just give up right relax so you get negative feedback and can do a positive result by giving it up people come to mean they have a problem i say give it up i'm saying relax be patient then relax well there solve the problem norbit it'll be nice while you're in it will happen then you won't feel distressful and and you will be able to outlast your problem oh well i thought you would just maybe wave your magic wand and it would disappear i did wave the magic wand and it did disappear why are you hanging on to it because i want to disappear the way i wanted to disappear because it's my problem then have your problem you didn't help me i came to you for help and you gave me back my problem well i struggled with you grabbing a hold of it you kept yanking out my hair i started feeling the fool so i decided i would relax until you're ready to let go of it and to let go that means you sit down over there and you walk twenty feet away and then i'll pick it up some people are so fast you have to say thirty feet about the time they think you're going to get they think it's a pretty great price and they run back four and they say how come i'm back in the same situation and i say i don't know i often wonder about that myself why are you back in that was because i thought it was good somebody else was after it well things are like that you know so how do we handle all that we secretly seek out and hate the wrong and others and it makes you feel good and clean and energized because you're so right choice and this egotistical point of view where you set out to destroy evil makes you feel so great and so good that you end up in hell when you didn't even know when you love somebody you love them when you love a little baby you love them when they dirty their diapers you don't hate them and you can't hate the dirty diapers or they will be upon you but neither do you have to sit at the table where they are so a lot of things you just say well that goes with having this driving a big expensive car means sometimes more expensive insurance if you're going to have the car there's no need to hate insurance you might as well love it because it's all part of if you're going to get married and you're going to become at one with another person there's no need to hate any part of them they will magnify and amplify that part you hate to show you even if you don't tell them you hate what would you think of someone if their house got on fire and they ran out and grabbed a five gallon can of gasoline and threw it on the fire to put  you'd probably think something's wrong with them you don't put out a fire by throwing gasoline on it that's right that that you focused towards comes upon you people focus upon losing weight and so they focus upon losing weight and the last word their basic self hears is weight and they never get around to thinning up so they're always focusing upon all the food they're eating that they hate always complaining and mourning and groaning that they haven't lost the weight always fighting always struggling walking by the cookie jar and the pastry shop and yet where do they spend their vacation in front of those things fighting it they last a long long time ago what you want more of is what you focus in to what you want more of you want more happiness don't focus upon your despair don't focus upon your resent mone that's not happiness and yet they say i want to be happy but i feel so bad what you do all the time feel bad so i guess you want that more than happiness i hate it i hate it why do i spend my time hating it your hateful person that's why i feel so bad so but what can i do better be happy in a hateful situation no get out of that it's burning on your head there's nothing you can do you keep your own gasoline on the fire around you you keep painting a hateful situation then you expected to be good it doesn't work that way then we try to overcome the bad habit and you know how we try to overcome bad habits or first of all may wish to look at how they happen we get an emotional stimulation that emotional stimulation excites us and we record that in the emotional body  then we keep trying to reproduce that and we do our body rituals our habits to reproduce that excitation to keep feeling that we keep going over and over until it becomes mechanical methodical then we try to break it what you have to do is to find something that will excite you as much as that original response and change it at that moment so what's the best thing the thing that stimulated you in the beginning somebody hurt your feelings and to solve that you keep going back over the conversation over and over and over and over and over until the conversation keeps going over and over and over and you're depressed by what they've said that keeps playing over and over in your mind now if things are right and proper and god is in his kingdom you aren't you yes why would he set up that procedure to go over and over and over because the very procedure by what you buy which happens to you how you get into it is the very same procedure how you get out we call it psychoanalysis we go back to you and they analyze what happened so you can see clearly what happened and get out of it so do it yourself to start with we don't solve the problem by going back over and back over and back over the hurt we solve it by going to see what it is and ah there's the hurt and we turn and face the other direction and we step clear then we step back we look we say i see how i set myself up for that i don't have to do that anymore then we see now you're getting smart now you're learning there was something else happens again we say well i mean this problem i keep going over and over or i keep going back and seeing that same guy does the same thing i go over and over i try to get away i go away from here it comes with me it goes over and over i go back to him for what reason to get out of it that's why you go back to see what it is and you go back and you observe what they do to you how they push your buttons and then they go push a button you say deflect and then they go crazy and you stand there and watch them freak out you say it's interesting when i didn't freak out they did and all along i thought they were in control it's just they have had their moment on stage now it's their time to entertain how interesting going back over the problem and over and over it does not through the problem it in grains the problem we must get above the problem then we can observe the problem and that observation allows earth to spontaneously live in a state of intuitive awareness and we can relax and be patient because it's all fine letting go and letting god but we must be that instrumentation for our own good we must cooperate we must work with that so we go and we see an old friend we haven't seen for a long time and the last time we saw there was a sea morsel haranguing and the hurt feelings when we meet up with them again on a strange day we think maybe this is a good thing and before you know it you're back in the same emotional haranguing how do you handle that there is no way to handle that while you're in that but prior to that moment you observe the action and you say instead of me reacting i will observe that that goes on and that's called practice and how are you going to have the practice unless you get occasions in which to practice so you set yourself up many times in life to these occasions so you can practice your technique of observing so you can get free when that trauma reappears you observe it at that moment you have mastered the situation but if you gloat and you flaunt the mastership your ego takes over and your pride pushes you nose in it then you have to eat at what was prepared with the table in the presence of your enemy who likes that i'm not too sure very many people do we have a few choices in life one choice is to choose righteousness and when we do choose righteousness we can no longer entertain the spirit of wrong the spirit of wrong doing inside of us will be pointed out to us by everyone and then we feel so bad that we're so bad you're not you have just in attained a spirit of error and when you sit back and relax and you start taking stock of it and often a good way is to indeed pendley right down on paper so you can observe it out there you get out from you and you observe the process and you say by doing all these things this bad thing will take place and by doing all these things all this bad things will take place then you determine whether you want to do the bad thing and if i do all these things this good will take place if i do all these things this good will take place and what is the reward for bad since it's bad it can only produce bad so there's no way out and what is the reward for doing good it can only be good and that is its own reward and so you live in a state of goodness because that's the place to live for no other value i never understood once a long time ago  thought how trite how trite virtue is its own reward the thing with this i didn't know what was virtue not been unvirtuous i never had a chance to look at it and i start observing people who did not have virtue in them who had agony and who had pain and had all sorts of disturbances my god they were hell on wheels everywhere they went they had this portable hell that just hurt and i looked at them i thought if you just didn't have all of that you'd feel good and that would be good enough just to feel good and then it dawned on me sure virtue is its own reward absolutely good as its own reward there is nothing else to have but that once you have that what else is there ego gratification pride greed lust no those are virtuous situations so when you have virtue you release the whole process and you let it go and you sit there free and you feel contented you don't have guilt and you don't have hurt feelings and you don't have fear of discovery and you don't have fear of this or fear of that and that good feeling believe me is god then you see what else is there and so then you work to maintain that but how can you maintain something that is beyond your grasp by observing what comes into you spontaneously being alive listen to the intuitive nature of your beingness and let the awareness of life come into you and from your past mistakes and the grief and the irritation you have learned and that pointing out of the error in you frees you because you hurt so bad you turn from it and that's what we say when you get sick and tired of being sick and tired you'll change and often it takes that drastic moment inside of us who are we give it up and we actually fall back in a completely submissive state and we say oh god i've had it i can't do it it's beyond me and we cry and we really cry and we cry so hard that there's not even any more tears left and we even give that up and we are so totally exhausted nothing can hang on to us we can even move and then maybe we've entered relaxation and at that moment we start becoming filled with the spirit at that moment you must demand of spirit how to demand a spirit give it to me no that's a commandment demand is when let me give example when you're tired and you lie down to rest to get your energy back spirit does not see a demand is says i see less need of energy they're doing nothing and takes away even that that you have when you're tired you think i've got to go to plan and get my rest run around the block for sed ram around the block fast run around that block vigorously and you'll be so filled with energy you can't go to bed because spirit has fulfilled your demand but not your commandment at the mand is an action that's placed out there people say well can i demand of spirit more to help me pass my bar examination and i say yes if you demand of it they say what i do i said you open those books and you read it  come right through there and match with you and if you put under pillow or sleep on it spirit goes away to where it's needed and wanted and that's what i mean was a demand against some of us demand against  and we demand inside of ourself and we feel ourself up with food energy when we don't use it and if we would get up and demand of spirit we would start running and that breath of life would come right into us and we start energizing ourself and we use the energy of food for the body and we use the energy of spirit for ourself but we must demand of by doing those actions that put spirit on notice that you're involved with that when you pray to god and you command god god give me this god give me that god give me this god give me that he says who are you you just a sergeant i got all sorts of people ranking above you when you pray you get out and demonstrate the need and spirit supplies and often all we have to do is confess that out loud i need a job by putting that out to somebody or writing a note to him we are starting to demand against and often it takes a while because we think it should come in when we think it should instead of letting it come in when it's going to but it won't come in if you demand of so you go to bed so tired and you haven't done a thing all day long and you lay in bed you toss and turn all night long until finally early in the morning or fall asleep why what happened you had to wear yourself out so spirit could put the energy in to relax you so that tossing and turning with your physical exercise before you could get to sleep get up and do jumping jacks or push ups going to do a lot of that a lot of exercise do you really tired when you honestly tired  mind and the procrastination and the emotions and then you say why can't i sleep so you have not demanded of sleep so i go to bed i've been in bed all day long i know it's not sure what time you want to go to sleep then you only go to bed and you only go into that bed and lie down when you are intent to entire sleep all night long you don't do it all day long you sit in a chair you lie down someplace else and you never lie down your bed for relaxation that's for sleep and it works and it works more and more the more you work it the more you get out demand of it if you're after money for motion picture film and you demanded spirit let me just start knocking on the doors and you start going to the people and you start talking to them and you start presenting to them and spirit fills that and then they recognize a spirit and they join and that's what you wanted all along but if you think well they're supposed to see that it's good o that's rare that anybody sees anything good they have to be sold on it good you say well it's pretty good i think you'd enjoy it and it's nice what's the demand or can't you see the demand i know you're submitting yelling doesn't do it it is that energy inside of you that moves you into it that supplies itself we have to have the wit because it's not all just invisible spear we have this cohesive spirit that we can look at it has to respond and the more we respond to that eminence of spirit the more we enter into it and become the divine counterpart of our own beingness and we live in both planes simultaneously but we must continually work the level that has to be worked and exist in the level that is to be existed in spear is existence the physical level is work john rogers closing words for space santa which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which occurred are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of assault call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to a service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or write to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is what john rogers thanks for joining  strange way to many people's point of view much like we send a light to elephants that we say this light goes to you and all of your kind and all of those who would eat of you and all of their kind into your children and all of their kind to the children of all those who would eat of you and all of their kind  because that's what god did and that's what's going on