we are talking today with dr jill stein dr jill stein is a physician environmental health advocate and former teacher of internal medicine she is the co author of two reports in harms way toxic threats to child development published in two thousand and environmental threats to healthy aging published in two thousand and nine she ran for governor of massachusetts in two thousand and two on the green rainbow party ticket and again on the green rainbow party ticket for massachusetts state representative in two thousand four and for massachusetts secretary of state in two thousand and six a race in which she won the votes of over three hundred fifty thousand massachusetts citizens which represented the greatest vote total ever for a green rainbow candidate she is co founder of the massachusetts coalition for healthy communities previously served on the boards of the greater boston physicians for social responsibility and mass voters for fair elections and she is also a member of the massachusetts medical society and physicians for a national health plan and she is the green party candidate for president of the united states in two thousand and twelve jill stein thank you very much for coming to spend time with us this morning it's great to be with you mike thanks so much for having me so start out and tell us what was your motivation in running for president united states well actually what got me into the race was learning a year ago that the president put medicare and social security on the chopping block as part of how we would solve the debt ceiling crisis that we would make big cuts to these programs and at that point i kind of went ballistic like a lot of other people did and said oh my god you know you've got the democrats and republicans now both going after social security and medicare and in fact this was the democrats opening the door to the attack in this context of you know the debt ceiling crisis and at that point i got religion for the first hump out national politics i had never been involved had always worked at the local and state level because that's where grassroots democracy grows and that's where we build from so that's where i've always put my energies and never actually was connected with the national party or national political fights for that matter so i became involved with the national green party and suddenly really appreciated that there were people out there who had insured over the course of you know the past ten or fifteen years that the green party had a national voice and a national structure which i had nothing to do with but suddenly i appreciated why they had hung in there excuse me  so i became involved at that point to try to help find a candidate to ensure that we would have a voice and that we wouldn't let this attack on our fundamental social infrastructure go without a challenge in th presidential race which is what we were looking at agreement among the establishment parties on this issue like on so many others but this just seemed to shocking you know to just let it go unchallenged so i became involved in that search and in the process got recruited somewhat kicking and screaming but as i got into it you know as i sort of agreed to do it i found that oh my god this was different from any other race i had run and i really expected this to be much more bitter and contested and kind of an angry angry race i've always experience that running as a third party candidate even in local  state races and thought that this would be you know sort of that bitterness on steroids but i found it was exactly the opposite in fact it was like giving out candy it still is like giving out candy at christmas or or hanukkah or whatever you want that it's just i'm constantly overwhelmed with gratitude and wild enthusiasm that people actually have a voice and that they have a choice in th not bought and paid for by wall street so starting from the very beginning right on up through it's been a really wonderful and exciting experience to empower voters who are really in a revolt right now we know that from polls we know that from declining registrations by the millions in the democratic and republican parties we know it from the single digit approval rates for for congress people aren't happy with what they're getting and it's really different from before the problems have always been there but now suddenly everybody and their mother and their kids are in the crosshairs and we're all really paying the price for this hijacked political system so there is enormous political will out there to really change our direction so it's been an extremely exciting experience the two party system we have here in the us though doesn't really although there are third parties doesn't really allow them to participate and talk about that a bit yeah and you know we are we are disadvantaged as voters in the same way that we are disadvantaged as members of our economy and our community and just expanding on the previous comments i should mention you know the breadth of the crisis that we are facing that people continue to lose their jobs unemployment rate continues to climb wages continue to fall millions of homeowners have been thrown out of their homes by the banks who are making out like bandits and whom we have bailed out to the tune you know of trillions of dollars actually has been spent bailing out wall street but they still continue to throw us out on the street  we are you know looking at skyrocketing costs of health care public higher education we've turned a generation into indentured servants trying to pay their college loans they don't have jobs to pay them back with our civil liberties are under attack on the climate is a meltdown at the rich continue to get richer in the political establishment is making it worse imposing austerity on everyday people while they continue to squander trillions of dollars on wars wall street bailout and tax breaks for the wealthy you know so what's wrong with this picture everything's wrong with this picture especially the fact that we can fix every one of these problems this isn't rocket science we can create jobs you know through a green new deal like we did during  the great depression we can create the jobs that transition the economy to a green economy that put a halt to climate change that make wars for oil obsolete we can downsize the military budget and put hundreds of billions of dollars back into our needs here at home provide health care as a human right through medicare for all which actually saves us money while it puts you back in charge of your health care decisions instead of some profiteering c e o and provides complete coverage make public higher education free as it should be as it was intended to be and as well bail out the students we found a way to buy the bankers who caused the problem we can certainly do it for the students and create a welcoming path to two legal citizenship for the immigrant members of our community and economies who are key parts of that you know the society we live in and we can fix the problem that drove this wave of economic migration into our country which is hard on everybody involved it's hard on those who are forced to migrate it's hard on the communities they leave behind and their families and it's it's hard on the receiving end as well so you know we can fix that by fixing nafta which essentially drove millions of poor farmers in particular out of business and out of a livelihood and forced them to come here you know to support their families so this is a fixable problem and besides immigrants are being demonized for what are really you know a waste fraud and abuse caused by wall street which really crashed the economy this is not a problem of immigrants stealing our jobs but rather serving in critical areas that you know americans are just not capable of doing you know we don't have the background we don't have the knowledge etc especially the farm work and all sorts of jobs that that immigrants fill and make an enormous contribution to our economy so at any rate you know we can fix this we don't have to you know we don't have to go over the cliff here which both political parties are that's where they're taking us and they're telling us that we don't have a choice and you know they don't want people to have a choice not on these issues they don't want us to implement the real solutions that are out there and so they restrict our choices politically and you know back to your question what do third parties face third parties face the same steep uphill  undemocratic you know hurdles that everyday people face you know when people say to me well don't you think it's hopeless you know my response to that is well you know to concede that it's hopeless for us to have a voice you know is to say that well it's hopeless that we're ever going to have jobs you know it's hopeless that we're going to stop these these draconian trade agreements that ship our jobs overseas and undermine our wages here you know that it's a hopeless that our students can afford an education and actually have a life not being indentured servants is it hopeless that we're going to fix the climate crisis you know anybody who is a mother a father a sister a brother a son or a daughter you know we just don't give up you know you don't throw out your future and your family's future like that we got to stick it out and fight it out especially because we now have the power you know in poll after poll the american public is in agreement with what our campaign is promoting as the only public interest campaign in this race we've actually won you know in the court of public opinion if democracy had anything to do with it these are the solutions that people are clamoring for as alice walker says the biggest way people give up power is by not knowing they have it to start with we got it and our campaign is in this race to help to help people understand that power and  to to help people transition from this politics of fear that's been drummed into us for the past you know certainly last decade it goes well you know beyond that historically but since the gore it's really been drummed into people and people who are community minded and progressive thinking that you don't dare stand up for what you believe and in fact it's exactly the opposite because this politics of fear that's told us be has actually delivered everything we were afraid of the expanding wars the meltdown of the climate the you know the collapse of our economy the offshoring of our jobs we've gotten all of this by the droves because we've been quiet and what really moves our democracy forward more than anything else you know is the vision the agenda in the demands of the social movement and the social movement is out there alive and well saying that we need a democratic political process and we need a democratic economy as well that actually serves people not just the banks talk more about the green new deal if you give us some specifics on that maybe starting with  since the media likes to focus on that so much yeah yeah great so the green new deal is a it's an emergency program to basically solve two crisis's that are getting worse and which are basically being ignored by the political establishment that is the crisis in jobs and the crisis in the climate and the good news is that we can solve them both at once and the green new deal does that by creating twenty five million jobs jobs to put everybody back to work who needs a job who's unemployed or who doesn't have full time work and these are good paying living wage jobs that are community based and in doing so it jumpstart the green economy that we need for the future excuse me and that green economy makes wars for oil obsolete and it also puts a halt to climate change and it's basically modeled after the new deal that got us substantially out of the great so this isn't an academic idea or a hypothetical it's something that's actually been tried and it works we know how to do it it means creating jobs directly not simply providing tax breaks for corporations which is what the president and congress did in the two thousand and nine stimulus package which was in majority tax breaks for corporations now that doesn't create jobs and the jobs that it does create then wind up having an enormous price tag on them so for basically the same cost as the two thousand  stimulus package around seven hundred billion dollars roughly we could jump start this program of creating twenty five million jobs putting everyone back to work in the green new deal puts communities in charge of deciding what kinds of jobs they need to become sustainable not just environmentally but also socially and economically so it creates jobs for example in the typical green areas of the economy in clean manufacturing local organic agriculture clean renewable energy and conservation in public transportation including a complement of what we call recreational transportation so that you have a system of bike paths and safe sidewalks that are integrated with public transit so you can ride your bike to the to the transit station and get on the the train or the bus and take a bike with you or have it safely secured there on a bike on the other end that you can pick up you know that kind of a transit system ensures that we integrate activity into our daily lives it's not something we have to go out and purchase an expensive health club pass for and take hours out of our day in order to get some activity activity should be built into the structure of our communities so we call the green new deal in some ways a real health care system because it creates the infrastructure for health you know right now we have not a health care system we have a sick care system that costs us over two trillion dollars a year and seventy five percent of those costs are spent treating chronic illnesses that are preventable at a tiny fraction of the cost and the green new deal does that by making healthy local food available and affordable and that means fresh food which is truly the healthiest kind of food that has sort of dropped out of our food supply for the most part but which is beginning to come back it's thriving even with the tables tilted against it so we want to tilt the tables in favor of it so that everybody has access to clean healthy food to recreation as part of our transit system to pollution prevention because we know that air pollution not to mention all the other kinds water and food and consumer products air pollution alone we know is a huge driver of so much of our chronic health public health problems heart disease stroke dimension cognitive decline all slew of problems are increasingly related to air pollution so simply preventing that kind of pollution by moving to clean green energy helps create this infrastructure for health which is part of the win win of the green new deal it not only creates the jobs is also you know it jumpstart the green economy that thereby makes climate change brings that to a halt really and because we have transferred them our energy sources from oil abroad to clean renewable energy here at home we don't need this trillion dollar a year military industrial security budget you know we could do far better and be far more secure in all kinds of ways by cutting that bloated budget down to size where it ought to be at about half the size that it is now and bring hundreds of billions of dollars back into our economy i should mention also that with these jobs in the green new deal it also you know it also subsidizes and jumpstart the jobs we need socially so we can hire back those three hundred thousand teachers who've been laid off as part of the austerity economy since the since the crash of the economy and two thousand and eight we can hire child care after school violence and drug abuse prevention and rehabilitation as well as affordable housing construction we have more homeless people in this country i'm sorry we have more homes that are vacant and abandoned in this country than we have homeless people this is just you know a crime this is staggering that we allow this to continue so the green new deal essentially puts our resources back at the disposal of the public and solves the critical emergencies that are driving us over the cliff right now and these are problems for which the political establishment  strategy on these problems at all it's just staggering they have nothing except more of what got us into this mess to start with so these are the solutions that the american public is clamoring for one of the thing i should mention quickly is that the green new deal also includes health care as a human right through medicare for all and it includes a moratorium on home foreclosures and requiring the banks to sit down and negotiate to keep families in their homes including lowering the principal so that families can stay where they are and stabilize their communities and it also includes creating a system of public higher trant higher education which is in fact free and includes forgiveness of student  it seems that currently that the u s economy is so integrated into our military you know it's this worldwide now or you know hundreds of bases and countries all over the world so how do you anticipate ratcheting that down i mean they'll be resistance from people that are have it very good paying jobs at these different though in their military industrial corporations exactly which is why it's so important i think to integrate this into part of a larger plan that ensures that everybody has a job and in fact the jobs we're talking about are jobs that make us stronger more sustainable that make our communities healthy and that are healthy for the workers who are you know who are part of that that job so you know it is a win win it's a very hard sell you know to tell people that we're putting you out of a job and we have nowhere for you to go you know and it's no surprise that people really dig in their heels and they will clean you know for dear life to their current job that's why we think this is the time to make that transition because it is an incredible wake up moment you know that people see number one our foreign policy has really gotten us into trouble bigger trouble all the time you know we're just seeing iraq and afghanistan continue to fall apart at the seams you know with record record killings and suicide bombs and  you know just the loss of life it's staggering and it's clear you know after trillions of dollars in iraq and hundreds of thousands of lives lost including many thousand americans and many many more who have been wounded and and disabled for life you know we haven't solved problems there we haven't created a democracy we haven't created a reliable ally would withdraw from iraq in the dead of night on a secret undisclosed date so that we wouldn't be ambushed in the withdraw you know we're being we're being attacked by our so poset allies in afghanistan with whom you know with whom our soldiers are serving we're not winning friends here we're not winning the hearts and minds of the world and the countries that we are sending our military into including our drones where we are busy bombing funerals and weddings you know and just creating civilian casualties that are our you know are driving our former allies into the hands of you know our our devout opponents you know this is a very counterproductive strategy people are waking up to that right now you know the public says by about seventy percent they want to bring the troops home now from afghanistan so there's enormous public support for revisiting our military budget the public despite the the incredible propaganda campaign on behalf of the military even so the public in large majority supports downsizing the military budget and most of the public has no clue how big the military budget is especially when you include all these security measures that are now imposed on us here at home as they begin to  know bring the drones home to to spy on us as well so you know these are not popular programs and the american public is clamoring to put them on the shelf and put our money to work here like wise people are you know really getting what an emergency the climate is so this is a great time for us to be putting this kind of converging solution on the table that ensures that people will have jobs as we transition to an economy  and a security policy that will actually protect our lives and ensure that our children have a future and a climate they can live in and resources to put into our schools and our jobs and all the rest it's a really people are at the breaking point in so many ways it's a great time to be advancing solutions that turn the breaking point into a tipping point to take back the kind of peaceful just green future we deserve how do you anticipate dealing with large corporations that appear to be pulling the strings and most of the situations today that's a really you know important point and thank you for raising that i think there are there's sort of a double strategy which is needed so we need an immediate strategy to break through the wall of propaganda and political control that corporations have right now both in order to win office or if not to win office to win the day by building a political vehicle for the long haul that can begin to revive our democracy and advance these solutions so there's an immediate strategy for breaking through and then there's a series of reforms that would fix this problem you know in the blink of an eye so first just immediately it's really important you know i think above all for us to reject the propaganda that we can't do it because that above all is their biggest tool for constraining us it's this you know it's this sense of our own disempowerment which we hear about all the time you know that oh isn't it too bad there's not political will to bring the troops home you know well hello there is political will you know it's just that our our political establishment is entirely disconnected from the political will so how do we get from here to there i think is really important to think about you know tunisia and tahrir square and our right to tahrir moment you know in egypt people were completely unaware that there was a revolution in the making right up till the day before no one in their right mind would have dreamed that in three weeks they could essentially you know turn an entrenched dictator with all the power of the military who'd been there for forty years that they could just you know send him running which is what they did in three weeks of coming out on the street and we have many of the makings of that kind of a social and political revolution in fact it's already happening you know that's what occupies about it's what the fight against didn't debt the fight against foreclosures against the big powerful banks you know that social movement is alive and well and what we're doing is giving it an electoral voice as well not saying that the electoral movement displaces the social movement they have to work together in the social movement is really the engine but throughout history it's that combination of a social movement and and a political independent party that really makes history together so the short term is basically networking it's about getting the word out i encourage people to go to our website which is just my name jill stein dot org that's jill s t e i n g sign up to be a volunteer and sign up for the newsletter and you'll be on the pipeline for you know for the strategies that are that will soon be unleashed for moving us towards that tavor moment and once in office let me just say that if i'm not holding my breath but on the other hand i'm not counting it out either as chris hedges says and he you have you know as the new york times of war correspondent he was present at many revolutions and he said right up until the day they happen people are completely unaware that they're going to happen on the day that the wall came down in east berlin people were saying on that day maybe in ten years they could really have substantive change so i said don't rule anything out and don't discount the power of this moment that we're in really is a transformational moment so if we actually won office and were able to turn the white house into a greenhouse you know that would be a really cool thing the world would be better off for it and if that were to happen you know the question is well how would you move any of these solutions forward like campaign finance reform public funding opening up the airwaves so that the public and public interest candidates actually have equal access to air time and then the money goes out of politics basically it's still there you know the backroom deals will go on but suddenly they don't have an advantage anymore if there's equal airtime you know passing a constitutional amendment to get get our our rights of personhood back from corporations who stole them you know the move to amend for example amendment that would clarify money is not speech and corporations are not persons you know there are many good solutions they're not rocket science these are just basic common sense that can be passed but how would we pass them so in brief i just want to mentioned that the president can be not just the commander in chief but the president can also be the organizer in chief and ensure that people know what's coming up when it's coming up here's some key talking points now go to it let your senators your congressmen and women know why you support this bill and why they must support this bill if they expect to be reelected next election or not recalled before then this is what we did on the the stop online piracy act which was considered a slam dunk when word got out it was stopped that should be the rule and not the exception the public should be in the driver's seat this is a democracy supposedly let's make it so by instructing our elected officials how they how we want them to vote on critical issues as they come up the president could be on prime time could have you know her own move on dot org that actually moves on from the democratic party but you know uses that terrific you know means that that wonderful device of actually informing people in a concise e mail how they can weigh in and we can be the driver of policy in the president can be a whistle blower on congress so that people actually get to see what's going on in our government we have a right to know and to be the engine of that government and perhaps actually protect whistleblowers instead of pro mike thanks so much for having me are very lucky to have with us live in the studios this morning reverend harriet walden reverend harriet walden is founder and national director of mothers for police accountability founder and director of the family empowerment institute and founder and this time we could talk more about your activism in general and talk about how you got involved being an activist here in seattle all right well i think that i've been an activist or a person who wanted to make the world better every sense i've been probably teenager but i got involved here in seattle trying to save st mary's school was the first thing i did when we first moved here and passed a bill that said that in state businesses would get the first opportunity had a contract for state funds that was one of the big things that would happen and and of course western optical got the contract again and then another company came up and washington state bought a smaller lab optical lab and underbid it was an optical and then moved the business on the state so worked on that piece and then of course in hundred ninety i started mothers for police accountability it was caught mothers against police harassment then because that's what we were looking at it was like oh all this or rasta me going on to young people worked on that and continuing to work on that so called criminals and the seed in social service and but what it was was it was the gender for cation is always led by law enforcement on some ways they are part of it and i don't know if they recognize in a lot of places and how they've been used in the and so what happened in the central area is that when people would move and buy houses when cajuns would move in and the first thing they would do would call the police if they saw people congregating and and a lot of times they would purchase a house next to somebody who might have had five children and maybe twenty grandkids and it was always people coming over and so it was people police was being called all the time so it was a lot make going on and so what we didn't see was was that it was a grant that was written that was a million dollars and eight hundred thousand dollars of the money it was just going to go to the police department and only twenty thousand dollars or smaller amount was support social service so we thought that was a problem you know i mean most of the money all been going to social services and so what we did was organize and and stopped it in its tracks for a whole year and then we were able to send the information about we can see to los angeles to michael jensen he was a former panther and he's passed on now but what michael did was so remarkable he sent it out to almost every city and  faith as i was able to rewrite the grant and they rewrote it so that they put a lot of put broad kids on and taught them about construction work newark we wrote to grant los angeles we wrote a grant and  that it would be more social services and less police involvement and the reason why we were against it is because they targeted the central area as a place to put to to implement a grant and it was always more drugs only you district i don't appen it wasn't central area always but you could not beat the property because you did most of the property on the app i mean so you could not abated and if you go back in your mind from the mid ninety's early ninety's to what was on the app compared to today mcdonald's is gone i mean the whole i mean all the businesses out there gone because it was always police learned how to organize around the opposition and so they were able to go to all these other cities and to teach them how to organize around the opposition because it took them a whole year to learn how to organize around us and then when they brought we didn't see it on the we had so many people i mean i mean it would be it would be just standing room only around we seed i mean because it was somebody actually who worked in the city i mean somebody else who gave us the copy of it and then the other thing about it we didn't see it is that the people who in one area would be charged with a little bit more crime i mean they the charges would be they would be charged differently and then they brought in trigger lock but so that meant that somebody you know and it's also the central area and essentially was going to be in for the lore and the laws would be enforced a little bit harsher in that area and then it would be any place else why do you think we concede resonated so much with so many people in the city of seattle would do is that they would have pretend like they were going to have black kids in the program and then six months later all of my kids would be kicked out the program and then it would be like kids in the program i mean it really was terrible the way that it was implemented we  can you touch on briefly the circumstances that caused you to create and others for police accountability because that kind of oh yeah august one thousand nine hundred mean of course all my kids are grown now and i got grandkids my oldest grand get is fifteen years old so it's been a long time it was august night august fifth they were coming back from the black community festival two blocks from the house i lived in one thousand jacks and then the police put the lights on and it turned a corner and they got a police got out he said it was looking for drugs and guns never did search the car and to guide two children got out of the car one with my son and then with another young boy x it was three people and they went in  yard in a police car just kind of kept at them and it was escalated to an event that for young people got be got arrested they had no criminal records had never been in trouble before and they got tired of being jacked because in the central area at that time young people were being jacked they call that jacked and then taken the position and when you get jacked that means you have to get on the ground and you know take the position lay down on the ground and a lot of time guns was put to young people that i mean i mean you know drugs came up from los angeles i call them the dogs came up and now we've got home grown puppies with gangs and stuff but everybody is not a gang member i mean and so it was the beginning of a criminalization of the youth and that's what has happened in america now is that most people believe that black kids are criminals which is not true i mean that's not true all we have are his the bad news and so at that time it was no one  for black kids it was no one standing up and this was like somebody needed to do something so i guess i was tapped sense you know they were my kids and i was not at home that night i always like let people know had i been at home i would have been i would have went outside  i was not at home and and i didn't write a business plan to start mothers just like i was drafted to do this and i'm still drafted and then i had to leaven cars show eleven cards it was all the cars in the east precinct sector and i'm so i wish so unfortunate here that nobody got killed i mean died did not escalate to that piece they didn't get roughed up i can't say they were rodney king that is but they did get roughed up and that kind of stuff so after that i called my friends my neighbors my friends and we started we started mothers and primarily mothers what will what's its function been have you had a lot of interaction with  police in trying to change policy or oh yes we've had a lot of interaction the first thing we did i mean one or the first year that we had two mothers we invited the police to every meeting and we asked them for information and then we were mean if you got information from them you can believe that it's true number one and that we didn't can say we making it up and so we would you know and after that we would tell people about what that what the meeting was we put out we put on the back of our pamphlet the police code of ethics because we believed that they were reading that every day you'd have a different police force and then we found out about different kinds of policies because one time observed them asking a young person to take they had off and turn it backwards and then they took pictures and then when vite it the police the former i think he's retired now a legal person at work for the police department and he said that it was not policy but it was practice and so well you know so we were able to get some of those and then later on we were able to work on the less than lethal options after david walker got killed and actually also with border got mitchell he was an elderly man because we believe that the police should have better tactics and better training to deal with people who have been a mentally ill crisis we think that's a really important we were the people who brought that forth and now they have the crisis intervent c i t training and those police officers who are trained to be able to work with people who have in a mentally ill crisis and and with the less than lethal options they were we were at that table when it was made a decision that the police would be able to use tasers but they on some cases the tasers have been misused i mean a person with handcuffs on should never be taste i mean that the pregnant woman got tasered i think i went to the ninth circuit and i think the ninth circuit agreed with the police on that i'm not sure what that ruling was but but the c i t training i mean that time is a lot of mentally ill people in seattle so a lot of people on the edge of time i mean  really is and so we're really against suicide by cop and it's been a lot of plan times not only here but in other places where people are just so despondent that with life and that they've chosen to get some kind of interaction going on and a lot of times they've been killed and so we want humane treatment for people who haven't a mental ill crisis because any one of us could go home and our house is on fire you have a mentally ill crisis you know i mean you go home and i mean so it's many ways that you can have mentally ill crisis and we believe that you should have humane treatment and to be able to get to the hospital and get up to harborview for valuation and you should not lose your life because you have  a mentally ill crisis so you've been obviously working on police accountability issues for many years were you surprised by the recent intervention by the department of and we thought that that they would be really good for the department of justice if they could investigate and course they did come back with a finding of you know a lot of different problems with the seattle police department  escalating of vents around traffic stops and that's kinds of things and so we were really really pleased that the justice department found that seattle  place where we have to if the options are there they're going to do lease amount and and so over the years watching them come up with changes that doesn't last or never really get implemented then we believe that the deal jay made the right decision and what's your opinion on the city's response and mayor mike williams twenty twentieth's plan well we have been working there  that just a skeleton outline and it needs it needs help and we were around working with the police department on that but then when they when they city attorney came you know with fighting  manette a case that they just just just recently settle that said that the the police officer that talked about the mexican you know kicking the mexican prison to somebody that was that was just language used to control which was racial language and so we just said well you know they're not getting the message that they really do need to change so we disengaged right now until they can really show us that they really want to put some some twenty it seems like the city has has pulled back as well where it's in recent letter that mike mckeon's attorney sent to the justice department says well hey maybe you need to bring in a  to have a mediator you know it's in mediation now so that's a little bit secret but what we've been asking all the time is for us to be involved i mean because it's the city i mean historically is the city is the mayor and the d o j that's how it's done except for cincinnati when the people sued to be involved because that was the reason why the justice department came to cincinnati because it would have been such a bad bad problems and so our situation is a little bit different here but we still need to be involved in it to make sure that that at the end of the day we have a pool nice force here that that's a little bit more humane and that's working for all of the people and realize that really that they work for us and what we're really willy hoping that that we can have some input do we have recommendations that they that it made that the task force came up with about nine and one recommendations a then mothers in and recommendation about the about the o p s advisory and that kind of thing and that it needs to change i mean it's not really an answer to the problem because again board out there also and so we believe that the auditors position was always the strongest position and if the auditors position had full funding and subpoena power and all the staff that it needs we felt that that would be probably the best well it's pretty strong and the mayor had pretty i had kind of taken them on so and also the city attorney because that's what a lot of this conflict has been going on but i believe that eventually the police  kill will realize that for better seattle cincinnati did it all the other cities police skills that come this for the good is for the good of the city and for better relations going forward  and so i believe that ritual neil and and the police skill is going to come to some real good resolution around the deal jay and really really embrace it and i mean it's all about being better i i make america great it's about being better you know i mean we're not satisfied with yesterday's laurels right it's all about being better so i see i believe if they could see themselves as actually being a better police force i think that some of the changes and things that they would be willing to work on and to embrace all right another issue that you worked with for a while was the branch nursing home can you talk about that all the brands for the nursing home was probably one of the sweetest things i ever worked on i'm retired now but i did own i care service actually greater good enterprise doing business as i care eyeglasses for people who could not maintain them for themselves and you know if a person have had a stroke sometimes they can't do this or the eyeglasses down they need to be pushed up and hurting behind the ears hurting on the nose and so i took care of that and also i had a relationship with a few doctors and so i would deliver new eyeglasses repair eyeglasses and i maintain i classes and so i happened to have been in the building that day when state came in to close them down and other residents came up to me crying and said they going to close our home down and so what i did is that i called a few people in the community there right and a few people and we all got nice to save to save the nursing home it was a long hard fight we went to li and we as a community the friends of brands felt that we had no standing because we had no residents in there and the in the nursing home and so in order to prevail we needed to have standing and it was t o people that was part of our group that them both friends had mothers there and so they signed on on the lawsuit to get a stay to keep the nursing home open and in the meantime what they were trying to do was to empty out the nursing home and so one day when they came up to move people somehow the key disappeared and so the guy said they he could transfer trauma so if you living someplace for a long long time and you've been there and you have known know of the home for a while it's called transfer trauma and it happens frequently with elderly people not his brother because he brought his brother jimmy hendrix brother lived right up the street from branson fella when he was a little boy and so he knew it by that and the reason why we were trying to say branch full it was the only nursing home for thirty years thirty years ago it was the only nursing home that black people could go to and so we really it had been like the institution in the black community and so we just worked really hard it was a real good coalition  beginning she was with us all the way she was in the building she made pay she had people in the building when when the when the feds came in to reinspect the building to make sure that things went smoothly i just was really instrumental in helping us the whole time i mean it was just in canning and canning how she was with us the whole time and now a lot of the other politicians didn't come about until the long to tell it til the end of it but we we were really successful and sometimes elderly people would come up to us and they call us their moses because we were there to save them and  it was the only nursing home in america that still opened that they want to state decided to close it so it was it was an incredible fight to keep it open we had some moles working with us and people will go and tell the everything that we would say i mean with the james kelly that he was used to be the urban league he would you know i mean people would go in and say i mean we would have a private meeting and then people down at the s h s would know what we were doing because somebody would go tell it mean we figured out that piece and we had to move meetings and but we just really was determined i missed a branch really i was a decent man he could peak gave lots and lots of people no employment and it was a culturally relevant place for black people and that's what we need it we need a place sometimes for black people to be happy at and they were happy there and tensional we only got three minutes left tangential to that there appears to have been some some fallout from your work the community it is not ok for us to have murders are walking around in our community and we just know we keep talking about tyrone and that's not only tyrone as a whole series of a whole list of people actually who have been killed i'll community and i just like to say that you know i bring a lot of passion with what i do i come with the highest integrity and i want to always be on the right side of history and i always want to be that  my work and the work they've got allows me to do that that i've made life better for people you know that that's what my goal is to and to have a humane police department that works and serves all people