so now another year having gone by yes what do you think you know i noticed the trees down below more than i notice how much how much work they've actually and there's level yeah and a lot of those levels are actually gone now so i think that's that's one thing i've noticed while we'll probably go find up to now with again disease trees and it's it's really bad and hopefully they can salvage a lot of the black force here but i don't know we'll say what happened at the end of the summer how  kind of flat was all flat downhill and flat coming back uphill but it was a lot flat it was dusty to yeah because  a little bit i was playing catch up a lot of the time so i was actually i was actually running quite a bit up some but i also was out of breath up and down hills because i was i figured with the way th the roads were i figured if i ran down the hills and kind of ran up the hills i would eventually catch up to you which i did hear that figure there'd be a few times in there where you'd probably stop and rest and and i gave these teenage boys a bad time as they were walking by he said well at least we will be grandpa and they were right for senior citizens in front of me and i said there is your goal he grabbed what are you well the staff person was actually taken some photos ok but it's a beautiful beautiful weekend for it tomorrow sunday june third is the the money the fortune of the money of the three dollars goes to the volt's march and to the crazy horse memorial as well  hole that is carved internees the arm banks and secure closer look at the logs here to see if i could see any damage and this one clearly guy unfortunately i don't have a case so i don't i mean special part about that carvin yeah i have seen quite a few different things going on i noticed that the benchmarks are a lot less narrow are a lot less wider than they had been tells him about what's going on there and it's it's you're looking at that mountain and you're noticing those horizontal lines for the folks who are coin did with surface style mining elsewhere maybe it's coal maybe it's gold whatever it might be a similar kind of rock engine irina and rock removal technique and you're coming down and twenty foot steps and there'll be eleven of those and they're mismeasured their coordinates are all based on the zero point at the top of the car face well the very lowest one bench number eleven is three hundred  sixty feet from the top and that's going to reach below the horse's know it's and i've also heard it referred to as the chin or the muzzle at the lower end of the horse's head and that's all the farther they need to see and at this point three hundred  sixty feet the very rough start of that has begun and from this two dimensional view we're at here at the visitor center you don't really get an appreciation that as they went back toward the mountain they had to remove rock anywhere from one hundred fifty to  hundred sixty five feet out from toward us going back and then they'll stop in and they're trying to leave anywhere from ten to twelve to maybe twenty feet of the cushion as they'll come back later and do more  that kind of torture work that they did when they created the face so you're right those benches if they've been the mountain they're just about done with that rough contour work and the point of all of that is to get ready to now do the finish work on the details that horse's head and it begins at the top up at the extended hand of crazy horse in court chuck's models what we've seen is that index finger on his left hand was out there all by its lonesome twenty seven and a half chuck's wife is ahead of the memorial and she and other members of the family in the board have been working with some engineering and geologist experts and the experts have said based on what they've been able to analyze and determine in the quality of the rock there you could do that but in order to keep it in place you would probably have to drill holes and embed steel bolts or long steel cables they would prefer not to do that that's a manmade solution that in the long term metal will wear out and would have to be replaced but they want to do is in maintaining what korczak had in mind now you  in the horse's mane and supports the pinger in the hand you still see the finger in the hand so nothing is lost from the artistic vision and the intent in the story telling you come down the head and the it very dramatically tipped at an angle there had the holes all the way through between the horse's chin and the neck that probably won't happen that horse's head world stand more straight angle and be essentially think of it as a vertical pillar kind of like those pillars that we see in front of our local libraries or county courthouses they're a continuous run doesn't need much in the way of mechanical  or cabling to support it it holds everything above it and yet you come in and you're expecting well i'm going to see a horse and i'm going to see that writer and what's interesting is korczak in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine in an interview with another media maybe it was i don't know t j maybe it was you and i don't not that early that early one nine hundred seventy nine he told the reporter he said at the finished product is not going to look as beautiful as my white but everyone sees on the deck and he says that's because of the rock you set the rocks going to change the plan i know that is the nature of the rock change the plan gets on board one hand on mount rushmore he said but i guarantee you come up that road or you're in an airplane a hundred miles away you're going to see that horse you're going to see that right or you're going to know it's crazy by and the important group of the visitors and they help but help pay for the project what happened in december two thousand and seven fast history because i think we've talked about this before retired financier danny sanford out of some falls south dakota looks at the project as a friend of roots he says i'll tell you what i'm going to pledge five million dollars in a matching grant for every dollar that the public gives to crazy horse in the mountain project i'll match they did that up to five million did that in million dollar increments completed that five million before december of two thousand and eleven then what does he do it wasn't enough in addition to writing the final million dollar check to crazy horse and added two and a half million and that wasn't enough the other thing he did is he gave two and a half million in fall of two thousand and nine so we the funding for the mountain gets the foundation the ability to hire boulder and associates out of british columbia they are the engineering and geology experts we also have been working with the firm  real earth models out of dallas texas has been amazing they've donated a lot of their services what they do is with the laser guided scanning they do the modern full blown highly detailed survey and of course chocks models as well as you're able to do an aerial trips as well as several visits to the mountain and you also scan the entire mountain you take all those data points and survey and you mash it all together in a computer in three d modeling a little bit like we go to the movie theater now we see our three d cartoons and we all like oh yeah this is real stuff and they take a look at that they consult with the engineers and the geologists and they take a look at the nature of the rock and they say all right in these various places you have maybe some natural fissures that could be of a long term concern what if we maybe change the angle of the horses here as an example or we add some horse's mane so we support that hand that's what funding from the public and danny sanford on the mountain but please go slow so we get it right and working with the engineers and the geologists they're taking a look at that the experts are being extra conservative in saying how bout we don't do a lot of finished blasting like we did on the face and let's try a newer technology one of the things they're looking at is that expandable mortar think about the stuff you go to your local hardware store and you get the grouting material and you add water and you get this mud and you put in your bricks for your fireplace or whatever it is that you're working on at crazyhorse what you can do is after you've drilled your bore holes you mix up the mortar and you fill the holes and then you walk away and this stuff expands in a fairly rapid rate and within about two days depending upon the weather conditions in the mix that you used it's broken that rock without a blast less vibration on the mountain  last potential exact aggravating of maybe some existing fractures and you've still accomplished what you in the public want and that's to finish that mountain some drawbacks are among the drawbacks it takes a little bit more time and because of the weather and how that may affect as the rock splits if you want to be working below that area and it hasn't split and fallen away you have to then find something else to do somewhere else because there's the danger that that you could be working below it and suddenly you have rock fragments falling no one wants that know but isn't there also a little reason you can see those vertical lines is that's the leftover of the drill marks and that is a very precise explosives engineering mant that dynamite broke off the rock exactly where the driller wanted it to break now and some of the stuff that they've been able to do with the expandable mortar is there's been something of a tendency of going beyond the drill holes not a great deal but just enough to where the drillers are saying we want more time to work with it to understand why it goes beyond the drill holes because we don't want that happening the closer we get to the finish area where we want to be polishing with the torch or however it is that they're going to finish up so you get to see the fingernail and the pointing finger and those kind of artistic detail i know that just from the last time i was here a lot has happened we're very close to and like i said of those benches the roughy now there are eleven of those i'm going to call them stairs they're finishing up number nine number ten and they're in to number eleven and we can get you some of the archival footage but what's very interesting i talk to casmir jocasta the foreman of the mountain c his dad completed the entire what ruth calls the silhouette the exterior contour lines of the entire mountain before his death an eighty two most of his work on the lower end has been covered up by the bulldozing in blasting that has occurred since one thousand nine hundred two as they push away that rock on the prairie lower levels to expose that rough shape of the horse's head guess who's already been there dad was already there might actually be time of my life people have asked me that and there is no there's no there's no fixed date you but i'll tell you what my gut tells me that t j unless you're in a hurry to go somewhere else hang around a little bit you're going to see a lot of stuff after that crazy hours up i'm thinking that sometime in the next twenty five years i think there's a good chance it could be i'm not going to dispute that because i mean with what with denny's money very much wants to see this car being finished nobody on the whole planet wants to see it finished and rachel cuffs and she'll be eighty six years old on june twenty sixth she's been here sixty five march of this year will be her anniversary now she will tell you she has no way of knowing but you said twenty five years and you're feeling good about it i'm not going to dispute you i'm very optimistic i'm going to be fifty six years oh i think it's a wonderful wonderful event we enjoy coming out here even during the sturgis rally it's a beautiful carving and over the last work on down the mountain to where they are now approaching being completed in the rough shaping of the horse's head and now the official start of completing the details on the extended hand that's just fifteen years a lot i know you're busy and i want to take any more of your time so i thank you for talking to the viewers and of course the website for more information you can see a sad crazy horse memorial dot com and  facebook or that's right we are that we have two of them the one that you really want w w w crazyhorse memorial dot org and do friend swear friend us on facebook check in on the web site if you're not getting the monthly