hello and welcome to the place to so or i'm your host and leader was so and as you know our motto is step out and redesign and the focus is always on you i have some special people here today these are actually my spiritual parents and i actually call them the gospel duo and they are a very unique couple and i'm going to tell you a couple of the unique things about them so this is bishop sydney games and his incredible  gaines so here's what makes them very unique over thirty five years of marriage over thirty five years of being together in ministry over thirty five years of leadership over thirty five years of counseling together over the study five years of business experience both are strong believers seasoned pastors both of doctorate degrees both are authors and both are licensed therapist and both  life coaches see that's amazing to me the fact that the key in all of that is a gather here and both yes so you guys have been here before so why don't we just jump right in tell me where you are since the last god and that's what's been happening since the last time we were here actually so tell the audience a little bit about this book and how you i mean because it was a journey and i was self are you writing yes yes the book in your journey lies your awakening the journey is the experience you know sometimes when we go in through we don't realise it's a journey that we're on because it reminds me of garfield the wizard of oz she was on a journey and she didn't realise she was on a journey so as a result of the journey she learned a lot of things along the way and so will be a journey of your life is the things that you're learning along the way the mistakes that you make maybe not make the right choices on the right decisions but you learn from them and the awakening is the experience now that i have gone through now that i have learned what i'm going to take with me so that's why it's called in your journey some of the lessons that i learned along the way was how to let go and was just the most difficult thing and i'm just going to jump into it i talk about one chapter in the book dealing with life lessons and those life lessons i talk about myself i'm a firm believer that as a writer now only shook one right with a share therefore when the reader is reading your material they can say oh i can relate to them because i've been through that too and so one of the things that i deal with with their life lessons is some of my childhood growing up as a kid i was rejected was rejected and and i can a houghton xplain it i can to allow it to be a part of me even in my life growing up always trying to be the best that i can be at anything i done and if i if it didn't work i was hard on myself because of rejection and rejects and is it's a terrible thing when you're rejected because the first thing you actually support that i do you automatically take that responsibility that blame on yourself but the truth of the matter is it wasn't about you at all so i had to come to that place in my life and say you know what they had some issues going on in their life because i didn't x the come here i didn't make myself i think for myself i didn't bring myself here so why am i beating myself up because somebody else has issues and so when i came to that place in my life which took time it just didn't happen overnight and so when i came to that place i begin to love me and i begin to see me and i begin to say hey i am somebody sometimes being rejected is a good thing you know we look at rejection as a bad thing but just like you ever did see and so that's how i carried charlize my life and the life lesson of being rejected it's ok to be rejected yes it hurts yes you can deal with it but now what are you going to do about it and so that's one of the things i share about my journey so i share some with me and give a little bit of me so that's one of the life lessons so where do you want to go where do you want where do you see yourself going in relation to the book so i think the last time you were here you were talking about the possibility of a workshop and yet seeing growing out of this i see myself to be honest humbly going to the nation there's so much hope in the world today and i look at my book as a healing a look at my book that it can help make a difference i'm all about making a difference in someone's life if i can change one person's life and done my job i'm not looking to change everybody but if i can be a part of making a difference and one person's life i have done my job so of course workshops seminars conferences i just see myself there small groups medium groups even large groups that's where i see me and that's where i believe god is going to take me because there are so many people hurting not just  just everyday people your religious community even the religious community people go to church every saturday every sunday or every friday and they're hurting yes they go to hear word and it feels good but once they go back home that feeling that pain is there and i want to be that person that's in that arena saying ok i know you're hurting let's remove the mask and feel what's behind the mask it's like makeup we were makeup to cover up certain scars so whatever that we don't want anybody to see we were makeup because we feel it makes us feel pretty but i want to remove the makeup and let's deal with the natural who wrote a book did you write it is all it but it had a profound effect on my life and you know as i shared last time that we was here because of a book i mean the one thing that stands out is the relationship with me  farm and you know met me and my dad who have had a good relationship over fifty years now me and my dad is like this is the next you know and it's because of the book you know it helped prompt me to a police where heidi was willing and able of come to that place i mean i'm tired of working on the second half of my life the second half of the game i want to finish strong but it was because of the book it brought me to a point he's allowed me to come front of well face to face with some yes i mean it's one thing up until people it's one thing to come face to face to something now the next step is how do i deal with you know how do i get through this now that i know this is me how do i get yes and so if i'm reading this book how do i go about incorporating the two together that's a very good question once you read the book i'm confident that individual do you see yourself in the mirror you see you now that you have seen yourself how do you get to the next level or how do you get to the next dimension sometimes we see ourselves but we don't know what was next yea helper your workbook is your guide to to help you get to that place where you're trying to go to because now you confront that thing now it's like ok if a person is alcoholic they go to and then once you recognize who you are i'm just using comparisons because i like to do that and the similar or the meeting place for alcoholics once you identify who you are now they want you to tell what is my problem what is the thing that i am dealing with with demon in my fighting and they say i'm so and so and i'm acknowledging now that they have came to their place now what can i do know overcome this  this is what the workbook does the workbook helps you to overcome and because it's personal to you the only person that can see is you everybody's not in it and what i like about it i what i did was i had i have a journaling section but before a person goes through that i have a commitment yeah in assess my agreement let's just use me dr surely gainst agreed to achieve my goals by taking a few more minutes out of my day to review my self worth and to write out my two to five year plan i will do this by writing in my journal for at least three days out of the week journaling at the beginning of the week and keep a pocket sized notebook that i can carry with me i will write down a majority of things that i've been confronted with that puts me in this place called fear and  disturb us this is actually allowing you to be accountable to yourself yeah and so we need accountability and sometimes if we don't start with the person within is not going to help the person with release it and so that's what the purpose of the workbook is for excellent excellent so one of the things that you guys do together alert life coaching so can you talk a little bit about how you apply this book  it and once they're telling me about them i let them tell me why angry and then once they tell me why am i angry then i put the question back at them what are you doing to try to get rid of your anger because if i tell them what to do i'm not helping them which in your journey lies your awakening absolutely that's wonderful so can we switch gears just off shore so i know you guys just recently moved back into the trenton area so what was your motivation for doing that now one of the things that i know is that you guys are very visible in the community so can you talk a little bit about your motivation for coming back to trenton and why you feel that it's so important to be here ok starting you can well and i happen to love where i was born and where i was raised and i'm very disappointed on what i see in tr and to me train was one times the best place to live the best place to grow up they had everything and it seems as if noun something is missing and i want to be a part of the solution i don't want to be a part of the problem i don't want to be sitting around complaining and being the negative party to what any parties but what i do want to do i want to make a difference and the only way that i can make a difference is to be right there in the city so i'm there i'm a really number one because of love number two because of compassion and number three because i feel a strong as well as a strong need to make a difference and that's my drive that's was driving me to make a difference to prove all the name say it's wrong absolutely and i believe by faith that god is going to not just allow me and bishop but he's going to allow a whole lot of us that have that mindset ng to make a difference in a city so that's why i'm  absolutely you know you're blessed with all this stuff and you never a blessing nobody wants to use to happen so we feel that we have a lot to bring back to trend and now we believe that we can make a small dent you know that there will be noticeable and for twenty seven years or something like that a little more than maybe you are approaching thirty years almost but one of the interesting things about the city of trenton is that it reminds me very much of the town that i grew up in was so a lot of those things that you're talking about the way you know trenton used to be and you know i've seen photographs of what cal water park over my head all kinds of stuff like that yeah we have similar conversations i'm out of my hometown small town everybody knew each other you know i was never afraid to be out at night you know when we were younger the street lights come on that's when you go home like that in that you were outside a little bit all day long so very similar in  that vein so i've grown to really like the trenton area i'm a really good friends a relationship and things like that here and i see myself also as being somebody that has something to offer us to the city so we've done a couple of things to gather here so can you talk a little bit more of where we get ready to run out of town but i wanted to talk a little bit more about some of the things that you envision doing to be a part of that solution i think we're already doing it with part of the group called partnerships for trend and that's people coming together to make a difference people coming together to help with jobs and training and skills and we're part of that organization the president so pauperis and his wife janet progress is called partnerships for trenton partners coming together and we're also a part of not in my neighborhood and might in fact not in my neighborhood yesterday we were at some of the schools we were at junior to has a different name now but we were at junior to that in the children know that young lives matter and so what we did we were greeting them when they was coming off the bus when they was walking to school we was given the risk is given a little flyers and we would lead them know that they matter we was letting them know you're the next leaders you're the next generation and then we were inside school with able to talk to him in order to or him and it was just such a great experience so we're doing things now right and also to make a difference and i have a business called journey of awakening and with journey of awakening is it houses different products and services and one and some other services that we will be housing it's going to be family counseling because the problems that we're having you know the family discount you know going through some challenges i don't want to say mess that they go into some challenges and so journey of awakening is one of those things that's going to be the one counseling and mentoring a very much to our audience for joining us and i hope to see you next time at the place to soar above eye