and bob brown and tonight we're going to have a kind of a hybrid show we're going to discuss the movie dunkirk christopher nolan's you and you jewish world war two films and event we're going to have on our bobby armstrong our fairly if cinema tag for director and gosh knows everything else for ice who is leaving ice shocks to go to college this for a long time but he wanted to get a little more experience filmmaking before he tackled something this huge and it is in essence a three part look at events surrounding the evacuation of dunkirk or leading up to the evacuation of british troops that were on the sure french troops who were also there but they're not treated too well in this film because they didn't get the right along with the british  soldiers but were we start right in with an action scene where several soldiers british soldiers are trying to scape snipers in in the town and only one of them survives to get to the beach and it's a very harrowing scene and what you do is you follow his attempt to get aboard one of the evacuating ships and how to do that and then meanwhile there's an air battle going on that's the other scene where you have three british airman who are looking for ways to protect the boats the british ships that are coming in but also going after german lifted off who are trying to attack the troops apparently the germans decided that it was pointless to bring troops in from out on the land because it was so easy to pick off as they said a fish in a barrel by just strafing troops on the beach so you get a lot of harrowing incidents there and the third is i guess it's considered to be the the  bridge where the soldiers are massing to get on to a ship and so you see so there's they're having to contend with the fact that bombs are being dropped on that rickety structure the structures that are there and they're literally kind of blowing up parts where they have to have a plank to grows over so you get these scenes that are intercut and as we've discussed a little earlier before the show began there's a little dialogue citizens who are going to save the day but we follow they're picking up sailors who are in soldiers who have been in bomb ships or who are sinking so we follow them so those are the three three scenes and three strands three strands of a story and then it's intercut between them is one of the problems i think it's a little hard to follow the plot because it it's not on the beach took about a week the flotilla of pleasure boats and fishing boats that came across from england to pick up soldiers took about a day or two and be r a f by happening simultaneously which is what he which is what gives you the into the film you are stand that it's a longer time frame because at some point in the film the beach which is a loaded mone you know i don't want to give any too much away but there's a final scene with his only a couple people on the beach alive and you never see german soldiers except one yes one yes in a very critic this is this is definitely i think focused very much on the british first of all there were a hundred thousand french who were evacuated from denver and you see one or two yeah and secondly you don't see the germans at all kero i think that the whole point was to avoid you getting personally involved with the characters and this is one of the differences between this film and a lot of war films and i think of saving private ryan saving private ryan or the terrence malick film which came out of the about the same time you get a very in depth look at soldiers at war i think the saving pride ryan was  there are bodies lying around he sees stretchers being brought to a ship so he and a soldier say come up pick up a body will go to the troop ship that's taking the wounded off and that's how they kind of sneak their way in or try to not altogether successful but it's nice ploy especially since that boat is so yeah that's the thing is he doesn't know whether he's going to be able to survive once he gets there because boats are being blown up platforms being blown up people being shot right out lot of these scenes of the effects are such that you see the guys who were there lying on the beach shooting at planes or coming over the next thing you know the shooter on the time on the moment with those you know that family them father the son son's friend and you can actually see them and hear what they're saying that the people in the planes have these  my goggles on you can hear a word they're saying and you can see their faces and on the beach everyone tends to look alike that would hang i was trying to follow the soldier we're supposed to be following and he look like everybody else and they're all covered yeah and that's part of how you get drawn in you're part of that soldier cause you're just like the person who is being hounded by bullets and german will stray from why why  think is the target audience were perhaps older people who aren't going to be around for when dunkirk is i mean why i can't think of most of the people who might have been on the beach at dunkirk are already well they have but they have p in children who didn't know about what their parents i think that was one of the things he said in interviews that he was concerned about is that when he was growing up in england dunkirk was a very big deal and yet when it goes around the world  united states no one knows about it and he realized that the younger people aren't also aren't knowing much about this and it was an extremely iconic moment in british history which you know i a retreat there wasn't a victory it was right it was a successful semi successful retreat and that is very much in the british character that everyone pulled together and they were sort of amateur ish  right and yet they managed to pull it off from the from the german war machine plus if they had and that would have printed by spin the end of the war yeah and you're constantly reminded of that and i still don't buy what some of the there's  decisions no they don't really make decisions they are there they are discussing decisions that were made above their head and why is the navy send more ships well they're saving them for a spending the film while these desperate young men there and they're all extremely young are discussing how did how to get off and what to do and whether or not they should be out to waste it in any get on the boat first that's really where it ends for him and there's killian murphy plays someone who was picked up by the boat you know in in ship that had been sung and he looks like he's the only survivor forced them to go back and mark riley and you know is the british you know very very much in control yes you know we will do the right thing to help our boys  about how long it's been since we've heard that yeah i was going to ask some of you since we have a little time before we break and and have bobby on the show  what you think about war films as a genre whether you have any favorites and i was looking at my i was looking through lists of war films and i realized that the ones i really liked were about prisoners of war the home front the holocaust and very few of them were were films that had battles in them the only ones i could think of were letters from it was a move which is about the japanese from the japanese point of view and  about memphis about which way they're fictionalized and showing now are there is a documentary called five came came back which is about five how they were directors that went to war and did war films during the war which is supposed to be extremely good and those are people that came back and made films that were more realistic than the films that were made i was a little actually i i well i don't really i don't like war films as a rule because i think the battles i find the battles i hate to say this is it's because you know these people who are in these things are so courageous in their way i mean not that they want to be in the i find it tedious the battles i don't know who's doing what they as you said before they all look alike the one that i think yeah i think that's the problem with this film i think that the one that i didn't hear you mention the war film that i thought was one of the best i've ever seen was no man's land which is sold to people  is a straight up conventional war film except that it's made seventy millimeter with a really good and a score by hans zimmer that beach and i don't get ahead with a sense of it i think well he tried to avoid sending that i mean there's know well i didn't like their too much so much i liked in metal jacket i think what i like about them is that in my experience as a military person they showed the ambivalence of much of the serving population  and the kinds of idiocy mixed with a kind of brilliance at the same time that very strangely mixed in with monetary service it's a very very hard to do battle popcorn after a short break when we've invited on to the set bobby armstrong who is usually behind the camera doing everything for the show she is now going to be leaving us and going to college i don't know why but and still we've asked her to come on so you can see her face royal listeners do and watchers of this book popcorn and she can give us a little tell us a little something thing and i'm in the school of communication they have their own station and when i get involved a little bit there i'd like to do like more writing and that's kind of the path i want to go down but yeah i definitely want to use what i've learned in the years to come did we have to change your mind about a film or suggest one you would never have seen that you then went and saw i'm putting you on the spot because well i feel like i've learned a lot more about like how to watch films from you guys like even if i do you guys will do it like discuss the film and then i'll go even if i watch a different film always think of things that you guys talked about and i like to look you know all look at the editing more or listen to you know like the film score more like kind of pay attention to things that maybe the average moviegoer wouldn't pay as much attention to just because i have you know heard you guys talking about the plot when we're young that's what we're looking for we're looking for the plot and a lot of people stay with that and i think if you are more conscience conscious of these other aspects of it really and rich is the film i totally like you guys just talked about with us of i guess people want to talk about baby and i totally agree with you on everything like that but like my friend who was a see it she just kind of wasn't crazy about it cause she was like oh it's clear say she never even mentioned the music or anything like that she didn't really pick up on that and she's a pretty avid watcher movie watcher but maybe the fact that i have kind of seen like that around you guys it's rubbed off on me and i was able to like pick up on some of that losing on this show that has changed since we started in my opinion as resa pretty much agree with each other on everything we're too nice yeah now we don't care about that i'm not afraid like all the time she's always watching movies she hasn't she does a couple projects back in the day hasn't done a time since but yeah she's a very avid movie watcher and like has a list of like you need to sit down with five year plan my major is journalism i don't really want to be a jerk i want to go into like writing for t v that would be like the ultimate goal but that industry is like so insanely hard to like crack that i mean as terrible a back up as journalism is that's kind of my like i'll go down that path i'm out and see what happens and i'm going to yeah i'm going to try and do like a lot of improv the jokes were so good and yeah my mom thought that the big six was a should have been drama she was like traumatized by the fact that the daughter like went to a come on she said she couldn't like enjoy the rest of the film because she was like so like the i don't know yet is the drama through much of it yeah yeah yeah yeah it shows that that one of the ways that people got through a very difficult stressful time was humorous trying it was trying to do it like nap a little bit yeah she like i think she would have been able to enjoy the movie and i think you know oh yeah it sounds like doesn't start out with the usual this is based on the truth you know you know you have to know at the end you see clips of the baby shows like their wedding pictures and yeah yeah what's your favorite movie i don't like scene i used to watch a lot of movies like when i was really young that i would like watch one movie and then we'd play it over and over and over my big fat greek what was the idea when i was like for like over and over i would watch that movie like fifteen times never got sick of it it's not it's probably not the best movie but just because i kind of like grew up watching probably want to and that was a sleeper hit that nobody really was very good but yeah so what else have you done around the station besides her show well i started i've done tiny bit of editing i did for a while i preferred the newsletter the weekly newsletter i've done a couple writing things for sharon  one time i like there was like a cooking show that was going on at the y and i like helped out with kind of all over the place but mainly you guys so just sum up what would you say to people in the audience who might be interested in getting involved for instance television which they do do it just show up because that's what i like my mom took a class here something or she just kind of randomly stumbled on  and i came with her once and i was like oh that's kind of cool and i had already been like kind of interested in t v in general and so i just like staff like a stew or they're just watched and then they had