ok finding this rich rich hawkins and i'm not an instructor in the intensive english program that's helping foreign students get their english level up so they can take regular classes here or othe colleges but he was teaching english as a second language right now the real challenges are probably money technology  governments at all levels are forced to cut back at community colleges are heavily dependent on states or so it's a real challenge it doesn't affect my program as much because all of the at's a real check the second thing i suppose would be technology that's really changing higher education everywhere and just how that's going to play out is anybody's guess but i'm old enough to be kind of slow about picking up on technologies that but i do use them some i use video classes for example i like to like to let my students act for the camera on that use you know students will find a script of the film if they don't like it actually shooting scenes from those films develop confidence in their ability to use the language that i like there's another job when i was like fourteen or something as a sports reporter for my junior high school  we became very clear that to be an english teacher in that city would be a very useful thing to do interesting to so i came back into the u s and didn't think much about it but the actors equity association the stage actors  how to program they still have it in new york to help actors find other careers because acting jobs get smaller get fewer and farther between as you get older and they had a program one day here in seattle that i do and they mentioned that they had great success among other things in helping actors become english teachers maybe other i would like that so i started taking classes one night a week at seattle university just to kind of explore the idea  f i guess the the route to teaching english started when i failed as a student of foreign language when i was college i like to say that there are two very good universities failed to teach me german was in germany and western that the few words of german that i could remember from my classes were very useful and life became very interesting and the more german i learned the more interesting it became and so degree was to take a degree in german so that's what i do have a bachelor's degree in germany i never never really worked as a geneticist of any kind i actually found myself working as an actor moved up here to seattle in the mid seventy's to my great surprise made a living for fifteen years as an actor and toward the end of that period i had a chance to visit the soviet  union things were kind of getting more friendly under gorbachev glasnost was the term for openness and seattle had a sister city relationship still has with tashi kent which is like the fourth largest city i think of the former soviet union and we got an invitation to send a delegation of performing artists to talk shit and i thought i'd love to see see the soviet union so i went and had an amazing time i met hundreds of people who were studying english teaching english and it people who'd been teaching english their whole lives and i was the first native speaker they ever met it was really a remarkable experience to be that person for so many people one way that technology is bound to have an effect is that more and more people are going to have access to learning the standard old classroom lecture model is pretty arcane so if i can have access to the world's greatest professors electronically why should i settle many teachers when everybody can get to a good cause if i'm a mediocre teacher am i going to still have a job to be honest i don't do expect to be teaching at least not full time ten years from  almost eighty and so on so i think i'll have earned the right to take or least the partial retirement the truth is that i'm interested in