he made another joke as about my wife i'm not going to repeat it well now you've already thrown it out there kind of let's have a video games but i want to talk about a topic yes the topic is the preservation of video games ok so where it came from this is i saw it recently on the lobby which is against pot show which you should watch very good the museum of art and digital entertainment was on one of the guys from there talking about how you know like other art forms this one isn't really being preserved film preservation you know of music but this one isn't and it's tricky because we have so many games that are online or have need access to online and then you have c d s which are not very good for quality and d v d s and what can they do to preserve the stuff they brought up obviously the concept of rums and emulators and things that we might need to do for cern really hard to find games that are rare or that just weren't produced many  so what's your take on how do you think we should preserve it obviously i think these guys are doing a good push in the right direction but what do you think i think it's an important topic and i think that not enough people are thinking about it  know it's hard to say because of course these things started as products and people didn't think of it as art but i mean you could say the same thing about books are the same thing about movies made a lot of like the beginning materials the very first things are just lost to history which is you know sad but we're at a stage in culture now we're aware i mean we can say things we have so many different types of media that we can do i mean there's really no excuse for like the beginnings of this of this hobby this art form this this new media to go away so i know that there's a bill of questions about rights and who profits from what and all this kind of stuff but i think historically there's a lot of games out there that people are not profiting off of that people probably will not profit off of and it would be great if we had like a central repository and i wouldn't want it like you know under government control and no you know don't give all these games of the man oh man there should be someone like a nonprofit organization who you know kind of stockpiles things and i think maybe roms are the way to go and just keep a library you know one copy of each thing as we go maybe could be you know part of like everything going forward when people make a game a publisher a developer makes a game they could ship a copy down to that archive and be like hey just for his work purposes you can't market it you can't sell it you can't let people down for free until fifty years goes by or something and then it becomes like research you know it's really important because you know as someone who's been writing reviews for a long  time i've been writing for about sixteen years which is really long time so that is a long time it's a long time to put a asterix on that and we'll talk about that off sure absolutely but i see a lot of writers come and go and what happens is every time we get a new batch of writers come in because you can't make a living doing game reviews right so like the old i mean or not anymore so the old timers leave new kids come in which is great new blood is also fresh energy new perspectives but they don't do the research in of history video games and actually they even can't because a lot of those games that i would use as a touchstone to compare you know you know a new game comes off the shelf and i'm like oh man this is just like x y z from ten years ago that's in your brain in my brain and i know it but i don't have it accessible you know these new writers don't have it to try so how can they expand their knowledge of what's out there you know it's great that's actually what they were talking about the museum of art digital entertainment they're trying to build a new location of a kickstarter and you can put a link in the show notes but basically you know they're not about like putting things in a glass cabinet they're about come in and play him because that's again what you need to get to that knowledge rate yeah so there's they say they have a lot of families come in and like the mom and son play like you find it together and it's amazing but to your earlier point about like you know our time yes he is a good example some of these other things are just not around it's not a prophet anymore which is you can't get this you know you can't get it unless you have some sort of done we'll think of it this way like if we as a culture and as a society were limited like in terms of books if the only books that we had around were what are on the sh a really sad state we would miss so much good literature that kind of brought us as a species to where we are today and that's kind of like with video games is like we have a snapshot of right now and old timers like me who know what happened before were inside it was the original virtual reality was you got inside a cartridge that was you know when you think about how poor we would be and how impossible it would be to build anything on top of what we had if all of our history kept getting flushed down the drain like we do with games yeah we're do keep doing the same thing over and over and people just don't remember when the i think the key component here especially as we are right now any new game that i get is digital only so we're already like setting it up where we definitely need the digital backup but those digital back like we mentioned earlier last year or metal gear yes it seems that you're not game on it checking the server is doing all sorts of things i do not want to do exactly just let me play the game five years from now we've talked about this like  and be like wow that's ok but pirates i'm so sick of that because for one thing if you buy a game you should be able to have a digital copy you bought it secondly this idea that if it's not you can't even get it i can it then and let me experience it because it's a brand that i enjoy i'm going to keep continuing liking that brand because i got to play and experience it you know say a plain old bomb came on the best games ever lowball grew like a ball and the best games ever and  and then they release a new one because i got to play the old ones on an emulator rom like prime for a new bond yeah yeah i don't know i just think that it's silly that there's a stigma that's still left over about you know pirating i don't like the word pirating i like the word sharing and and i think that first specifically for things that you can't even get it should be a no not not even a question i totally agree i mean i'm in my head i'm kind of thinking there'd be like this nonprofit organization where maybe people could even log it online like you have an account set up so that maybe you would you know quote unquote virtually borrow these games just for you know to learn about the history of the games to educate yourself about what's come before you know i mean i think that's so important we could rent movies from a million years ago but we can't rent games from a million years ago that  interesting like the renting idea i think we're going to come up with something that i mean maybe there could be some profit in that i don't know but again if we're talking about games as an artistic medium you have to kind of back away from the profit motive especially when you're talking about older stuff when it can be about profit all the time if you really care about  thing that we should do as a people i mean you know really putting a lot we look at in the scene it's so deep and rich has a lot of really interesting societal commentary going on there and a lot is really cool things happening in games in general and how it's affecting our society i mean to just lose all that for the sake of the almighty dollar would be really games used to have by i'm all over again and but they were offering up essentially roms of these games so it's like we have all the pieces of the puzzle but we haven't put them together and while we're not putting together we're loot we're go be losing existing staff yeah so we need some heroes to unify we've got to bring it all together because everybody's in their silo like you know nintendo has their silo sony's got their stuff microsoft got their stuff and then there's all these other publishers e a and the soft everything if we can all just work together and at least for the old stuff that's not really making anybody money let's just say let's just hold hands on this let me go back to the thing you said earlier so we don't have the answer all i was going to say the answer maybe is digital museum of art and digital entertainment i mean they're definitely offering up something so go check them out they're doing something check them out let's support them through what they can do that might be the beginning of it so my question i had was sixteen years writing even knew that i knew you wrote for a while what have you how have you seen it i know it's changed and i can almost answer for you and the fact that like we said earlier it's kind of going away this idea of the every man having a voice is great but it's also a double edged sword because then you don't need to go to this one main press site like the speed one off and you know you g m i thought yeah and then i g feels like it's kind of an entertainment site mainly and then there's games there too so what do you think i guess how do you how do you see it change have you seen a change and then what do you think is the future there's a heavy duty question  journalism like does it have a future is it more in this kind of one off joe schmoe tell it like it is or is or so of place for like i mean we still buy magazines you know we still go and buy books but let's take my son for example i have two kids and my oldest son who's fourteen he never reads reviews he doesn't even bother he knows that i write reviews and he knows what i do and he won't he when he remarked of you he goes on you tube for everything you know so those you t are his favorite you know three or four years that's where he gets all of information and i think that a lot of the kids these days are shifting away from the written format right i mean i'm seeing it all the time i will think it's really important to distinguish between reviewers which is well i'm a game reviewer i'm not a journalist just a review right criticism discussion about games design that kind of stuff is what i do but i think games journalism is about you know being more of a reporter news is happening personal stories interesting things happening in the industry i see those as two separate things yeah you know we tend to like lump those together a lot of times but i think they're very distinct so i'm not a journalist at all right well i guess i get your point but at the same time journalism in general is already like a muddled word like the old school journalism they got a report for you missed you know like that in seventy covering that i love them voice by the way i love it  games like he's a reviewer like you know you understand where he was coming from when he was like like logically looking at the game and then cool like that but i think the journalism thing is muddled so again journalism when i say that i mean like kind of what you said what your kids doing is like where they're getting their information about games and then you know when they get that information you know are who are they trusting yeah and it sounds like most people a lot of especially younger people are trying to trust the you t years but i would go to that and say i mean i watch a lot of stuff i create a lot of that type of content but that stuff is not well not exactly that but we're doing it right now oh right  point was one point your point was that people were going to you tube it was these people and i think it's a good point because i mean you're seeing that in all forms of media which i think is what you're getting at is that you know journalism is becoming becoming muddled in the entertainment field and when you look at these you tube i mean so many people i mean they're getting millions and millions of hits like you know there's this recent thing about jimmy kimmel talking to those you tube or is it that's a terrible video by the way it is a terrible video and you know him well jimmy kimmel was really off point on that that he doesn't really understand what's going on you know citing o j and those people that he brought on who he was kind of talking down to those people have an audience that's like ten times bigger than what he has and yet he thinks he's the top dog he's outmoded he's like yesterday's news well ok i was with your for a while i started going off the  be on that much it is exhausting i come home and i talk my friends and like and you look tired and it's mentally exhausting to be on and that's a whole other thing i mean i've done you know we're doing shows like these and i think that being on is definitely another thing and i i think jimmy maybe took that away from him but he's doing that style of stuff but i also think those numbers maybe they're different because it's hard to know t v numbers are says it's yeah it's definitely isn't but that video definitely was out of touch i my point was earlier i think is that even if the kids or anybody is listening to market player and you tubers they're still not getting the information that i got specifically from one up dot com a example i got lots of information from that website and videos that were about like i'm making fun of this game or it's very interesting check this out i'm going to play this they gave me preview stuff that was way in advance stuff that i would go to your website for they gave me thoughts and discussions like we're having right now which is not happening in the most of the youtube videos so i feel like that's the part that's the journalism part that i want to come back when i'm at lunch at work only few minutes after i want to watch this kind of content partially why we're making it and also because there's not very many places to do it you know you know we can't get these discussions many places the bonus round doesn't the lobby does it there's always some places are doing it but i think that's my concern for your kids i agree i totally agree because i think it's it is to me as a parent and also as a viewer i feel like we're losing that deeper level of discussion that deeper level examination it's really funny to watch those you tube videos are entertaining that people are really super personable and that's great but to have that be the sole defining source of information for a lot of people it's not enough it's like eating cereal like i love captain crunch kept encouraging the great that's what i don't want to eat it three meals a day for the rest of my life yeah like just once in a while is fine but i need a balanced meal you need deeper thoughts and some deeper criticism deeper discussion they don't all just marshmallows although sometimes you do once in a while that is pretty yeah now i totally what just marshmallows and before just a quick shout out to look at not a shout out but a shout about metal gear solid five a while how can we do a quick show it would be really quick and i'll tell you how because you're good at that it's pretty good at that but i think i'm in the middle of big game burnout this year and i started it up today because i had just a few minutes i thought welcome to start this just get a flavor for it and within like twenty minutes i'm like i'm out like it was just too big too much in the first mission i sort of feel really overwhelmed and i know what my review schedules like like yeah i want to shoot dude's you know whatever but then i started warming up to it when i got to mother base because when you get to the main base in the game basically and the idea of fulton ing which is yes yes sending people up into the air or anything actually into the air is not where that's a real thing it's a weird is so bizarre it's a weird it is a thing but it's also you know medicare so i just want people broke their necks trying to pioneer that in real life that's nobody nobody nobody what you're saying it is a real real thing that is a real thing i thought you meant like isn't it warmed up to it once i got to the base because of the kind of weird interesting little micromanaged the stuff you do with that strategy the other element it makes it more dicta of because you're like i want to send these people that i fulton and fulton and to research and development  so like things just disappear very arcade game in that way and i'm so used to now it realistic realistic and so parts of the bother me but then when i got that hook i was like i do want to focus on a bunch of stuff  before they're great people they make fun games they're actually maker of the nancy drew games are fun games fun games weird too because i always find the weirdness when i go there and i got to do that so let's go and check out the clip it you probably won't see it because we don't have the monitors yet but you at home can see it so check it out this is us at her interactive playing nancy drew sea of darkness hey buddy we're here at her interactive i'm here with colina and leticia time and we're going to play nancy drew sea of darkness yes new game oh now here's the big question and what you're more master i think i'm an amateur amateur take it up all right this is a lot of words it is a lot of words how there are you miss sylvia finally she arrives oh yeah i remember now i know for a fact that i am nancy you are nancy drew and i'm a lady in this case he disappeared some time before our ship crashed into the harbor they say he musta fallen in the water they say you know it's a lot of things how do i get on board elizabeth controls the ship and she hates my guts she moved the gangway so you can get on the ship until you get the gang playing back up the gangplank yes that's what it's called it's just going again way you want to play great but elizabeth is supposed to be the one to put it out for you she won't you can't reach her just yet so you need to find you got gears for a but were going to hate me i know your country and i really want to visit so they were all some very kind to us and let me do the thing that idea which is play games wrong or incorrectly especially their games and we have it lot of fun doing that so hopefully it will go back some time and you should check it out nancy drew sea of darkness it's it's a fun game you played in those types of games i played a couple of the actual nancy drew games i think already phone yeah yeah yeah it's funny because whenever i get in there i always forget that i'm a girl because you know that's just like real life isn't and then i got silence and then i always like you know i do the wrong thing like i you know i do the the thing in us was to do also like real life that yes video game break we have a website it's video dash game dash break dot com we still have the full one we will at some point get that guy in europe to get europe we got a call on him a bunch of blue jeans is that what he wants they like those in europe ok