the founder and president of the institute for individual and world he's founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks will tell you how you can obtain more information about him as i  i was talking to a friend who told me says oh i'm really down today i said how is that he said i lost twenty million dollars and i said oh my lord how to do that he said well if i had bought the gold before when it was like thirty or forty dollars an ounce that's up around two hundred and i could have sold the day out a made twenty million dollars but at the same time i felt sort of cute and i said i asked nothing i lost fifty million dollars and they elected me said nah i don't believe that because you took a vow of poverty and said well what i mean i can do the same thing you're doing or you're just pretending i can pretend the same way i don't have to you know have a money to pretend that i could have lost fifty million dollars but you see often that's part of the game we play with our power that we take it we put the against this and then we beat ourselves in the head with something that might have been a fair thing and been absolutely perfect well it rarely is except it is perfect  when i found out that everything i had could be taken away from me i started livin in the fear of losing and it's amazing just sit with everything that you can have that you want that you need and then you entertain at your table and in your bed at night fear of losing now that's why  if anybody was prime target for psychiatry or whatever soothsayer i think i was prime one and i said well how about let's not deal with power this is well what you want to do and i said i like build something that's sort of like what's the bottom line you know give me the bottom line is that what the bottom line will be energy energy and so well it's all over right  have my share and you can have your share right it's great i felt pretty good except one day my energy ran low no power no energy i s the bottom line was energy this is right and i said ok i guess the question this obvious is what's below the bottom line what's below that and it was what do you mean what's below that i said well what is the very thing that everything comes from the fall is going to be there no matter what i may think or feel or do or what you may think or feel or do and i said well the truth i said i  can't do in that deal in truth that's why it's like well because that's not contagious enough ebay's got the truth and there be lies so i don't want to i don't want to deal in that because it's a real hard thing to live with and and i really had a lot of people really on the block this young guy here wants the bottom line of the bottom line and it's like well see energy can take any form wants to and i i bought all that philosophically so yeah sure i mean i can play the syntax vocabulary game and put the right words in the right place and pretend i know fact we're all masters at that and it's like well do you want to know what it's all about and i said well yeah sure why would i want to know i'm writing on fear and the hounds of hell are chasing what i'm on of course i want to get off and i want to get out of it who wouldn't and of course that's a dumb question because they start telling me all the people didn't want to do that they want to state that because we as humans have a real strange phenomena inside of us and it goes something like this what i've got is bad but i know what it is and as bad as that is if i give that up what i get might be worse and if it's worse i can't take that slow what i'll do is i'll live or it's bad and i hope that it won't get worse and i'll live in  lot of people do that i hope this i hope that i hope this i hope that and still stays  bad those type of people don't believe in him lighton meant lightening up they believe in in dark meant they believe it's going to get darker and darker and darker but believe me i'm in a place where i said i can get a darker and it couldn't and the interesting thing about surrendering to that is that if you take the words surrender and you change it to participate pain in it no matter how dark it gets and how depressed and how neurotic if you participate in it it will start moving to its own place we have a singular quality inside of us a singular quality that is light elijah h t and it's reflected here we see each other by the reflection of that light but also we found out today in some exercise we are doing that we can see past the reflected light into a light that was present we hind the reflected light and some of us like oh my god that's real and that was the thing that i wanted at the bottom line below the bottom line waters and it was light and i said now that i know that now that i know that that is it that it's light all of that i'm i'm really on your side i've been on the other side i know what that's like the grass is not greener on the other side it may be cement it just looks that way if the place you're living in is just a place of existence and we live in that state of hoping that things won't worse we don't participate we're just stubbornly resisting and attempting to hold back that that is taking place and then to be regarded in the morning and try to hold back the dawn from the darkness i did the power i had to deal with didn't do that either so it was totally an adequate to deal with anything other than what i thought in my mind and what i could ramrod on people that had less power and lot of people will push power on you to bring you to a level that they can handle you and that means they don't have to grow want the best games we play as humans is find out who's sitting on the pedestal and find something wrong about them and if we can find something wrong about them then we don't have to pay any attention to what they say and we can make them just as wrong as our worst times and we don't have to change now you know the good news about that is you don't have to change anyway and the bad news about that is you're not changing anyway so no matter who you make wrong to bring to your level you're still in it you're still in a lot of people say power power give me the power in me the power and we started find out how we can take charge of the power in our life and we've found out how we're giving our own power inside over to somebody else in the layby this in the head with it and that hurts those happen to be bitter responses i don't know why i'm back in this again i don't know why why do i keep coming back and get hitting up on the head by the same person because they have power over you it's like yeah i think i recognize that but i'm resisting that roger just didn't see what it feels like because most of us are so busy running from it and we found out that it just follows right with this we really can't change by the way and we keep saying that i'm going to change i'm going to change and then the inside was a not going to change because you said that all along i'm going to go on a diet goanna when goanna was that mean mean anything really it just means that i'm carrying on a conversation i mean that i'm avoiding looking at what's going on in my life that makes me think that i should go on a diet or something else and we start getting a look at a process that has been a dent of five for you but i'd like to now and it might be a little difficult to do for you it's a little intellectual i don't do too many intellectual things because i'm not too intellectual but part of that is what is it that we take and give that part of us that is us over to and do not involve ourselves with people let me say in another way what is it that stops us from getting what we want why do we make that piece of paper that car that food that person more valuable than what we're going after we call it considerations what are your considerations well i gotta consider this i got to consider that and i've got to consider my have to consider that by the time i get you are my considerations i don't have time to get what i want and people said to me well john roger i don't want what i got to say you did you got exactly what you wanted now was what you said you wanted but it was what you wanted because you took and put all of your power and your energy on that it it amazes me that husbands and wives and lovers will take an object of peanut butter and fight over it that they have given their power over to a peanut butter jar and peanut butter and then use that to beat somebody with  we all know that the value of peanut butter is sticks on the roof of your mouth so after you get it talk funny anyway are we take a dollar and we value that dollar more than we value the person we love so they say could have a dollar you say well for your spending money too fast you the person that i love more than anything else this world is not going to get my dollar yeah i got ten thousand but you're not getting this one because i value it more than i  we take the very person we love and we put them down and some hierarchy position down is some hierarchy position that's higher than all the other hierarchy positions except for the things that are in animal around this like our car our drinking glass our beer our food money well maybe that's what we're supposed to do here but there it think we've got that accomplished now that that we've got that really down real well some people say that's too expensive and i say what have you placed between you and your life what have you made more valuable and give your power to then your life there is nothing on this planet that's too expensive for any one of you nothing get that through your head begin an argument is that you've taken and made that more powerful than the person you love what you're working for and some people will get a job and the person that pays them the money to do the work the said i trust you to type these letters and not make mistakes we'll show them we'll make a mistake and sabotage the boss because who does he think he is paying me for my work will they do it for free oh no i need the money well then he's paying you to do that so why do you sabotage the work you know i tell my staff that works with me you have one or two things to keep in mind in the first thing is keep me happy because if i'm not happy guess is going to feel that that career really clear sabotage yourself in the way you'll know that is you won't be around anymore so if you want to work and do this then we work can do this not the way you think it should be done but the way that it tells us that it is to be done and the one that listens and tunes in and gets the message is the one who can tell what's going on and the one who can't who likes to tell ebay what they think it should be because their ego or their past conditioning or their poverty or their sabotaging effect are the ones you don't need around you but then you go ahead and sabotage yourself anyway by making yourself right in your poverty and your boss wrong he fired me he was terrible why do you fire you i said i typed the letters wrong did you yes well that's reason enough to fire you did you just do one know how many oh let's not talk about that let's talk about how wrong my boss was that he fired me so let's not talk about your boss he's probably a really nice guy to keep you around as long as he did because if your attitude it work is the way it is now who needs you who wants you who wants to be involved with you it's like well i tell you what i'll do i'll go sit over here in this corner and i'll be really depressed now i'm in the corner and i'm really depressed and nobody comes around to visit me because i'm depressed that they come to visit me don't they know i'm depressed yeah they know you're depressed that's exactly why they're not coming around to visit you you're sabotaging yourself and assume they can mean you're going to sabotage them by what make them feel guilty that they didn't show up to get you out of the depression earlier well who put you in the depression my boss why he fired me what were you doing making a lot of mistakes i did a lot of my purpose right up in voice wrong almost bankrupt that is suing me for embezzlement as going to pay it back when i felt like it was just interest free loan it was really a gift he just didn't know it and i'm afraid i'm going to find out just how much the gift w and he's so rigid and he's so stubborn and he's just so terrible and then the question goes to your mind how did he manage to hire you who are so wonderful and so good how did he happen to pick you of all the jewels of all time if he so bad and so terrible so no good at least he had the good taste to hire you and the good sense to fire you and you know who cares about that nobody i hear people come up and tell me exactly how the thing should go and see what i got a crystal ball one came up said we and i said we we got a rock in your pocket you see a standard by yourself then you don't treat them as nice as they think you should treat them nice because people in your position don't do what you do so what do we do people in my position we let you run all over us i let you do anything you want to to me hey that's the bottom of the barrel i climbed out a long time ago right you climb out no one needs that type of action and yet aren't we great at promoting it well if the bottom line of all that is energy in the bottom line of that is light and the bottom line of that is participate in it and the bottom line of that is be active with it all what's the bottom line of all that because the very very bottom of all the bottoms is that energy called loving is not just love because that's pretty static once i read a thing you've said if there was enough love in now and when later appears also and went tomorrow shows up also loving you see we say i love just today so i did my we're not going to do it  today so today you don't feel the action inside of you have the energy coming up and so when it doesn't come up you start to look to see why it isn't coming up and you can find a lot of reasons why and the law be wrong because it doesn't function by reason it functions by action now here's the paradox of paradoxes the body doesn't know what's going on tomorrow the body doesn't know what's going on him minutes from now this body doesn't know five minutes three minutes thirty seconds from now what's going on it only knows what's going on what's going on right now that's all it knows is the experience that it is having and then to my emotions my mind i'm going to synthesize it take it apart rationalize it reason understand it and then try to make believe that the body didn't do it or didn't do it the right way you know that the body can only do it the way it can do it at any given point it only does what it does but the demands we place against our body in terms of our mind and our emotions are treasures and we wonder why we have problems we wonder why there's an energy block in the body and we have pain so we try to rationalize reason the pain when actually if we got to start walking around it might go away we just got it got active and start participating since just thinking of going to the store and feeling good about what you're going to buy one just go down there to your body and do it that leaves then the mind to be free to tune into the greater energy fields and leave the emotions there to tell you what's going on right now in your environment your mind can't tell you what's going on the environment right now but your emotions can tell you what's going on because they're telling you what you're getting in touch with but they don't tell you what's right what's wrong all they say is you're in touch with the depression then your mind makes it wrong so then you don't want to feel that because gee if you feel that that's bad why you don't know you're in a mess you can feel it the emotions are great great indicator of what is right now presently going on with in your physical structure not your mind because the mind can be distracted so fast how many of you here meditate how many of you really really focus your mind one focal point of energy you can hold it there for two hours that's meditation the other thing is a process of sitting down and playing the games of who should who shouldn't do what and yet we say i meditated two hours today it's like well we supposed to worship that because if you truly truly did hold that focal point of energy for two hours you would have to say a word to anybody that kno know my god you can't hide it they also know that you don't meditate effectively people asked me to meditate messing with you why not us i don't know how to meditate i do spiritual exercises i say why is it because i can't keep my mind steady that long it plays games so i've learned to like get past it into the spirit and i just let the mind play what it wants to let emotions do what they want to let the body walk where it wants to and i just travel the other level as it can you do that well after that because anybody else d wrong yet lots of people well why don't they know it because they've got the mind chattering emotions flooding in the physical body all upset and they're looking for the cure here in the world and there's no cure here in the world there may be remedies made you look back for the cure can get a glass of water and you thirst in the throat sore because you must participate in the prescription of life that has been prescribed and must be acted upon is the must here what happens you can live this life with a sore throat and with misery and discomfort and die in it and who cares you don't even care or you would get out of that so what we do is we take to ourself overeating oversleeping over drugging over anything to make that that is hurting inside of us stop hurting and the very things we take to make it stop hurting feeds it isn't that a real shock for you that's like having a headache and then mashing your toe like yeah but i'm not aware they had a nine zero but pretty soon you are but you can have coachable and had trouble well not just hit the other toe right and you can have it all over and pretty soon we end up just hurting so badly when i'm no stranger to pain and hurt because that place inside of me where we all live and that place inside of you where we all live is exactly the same place exactly the same place some because of this i've got this terrible headache  was you don't understand is really bad i said i take your word for it i don't think you'll lie to me for a second but you are lying because you have said the whole truth about it and the whole truth about this yeah i'm really running some problems and i'm really running some should and shouldn't however xin some teachings i've had before running to me and i'm trying to measure to that i'm not doing and i'm failing and i'm calling all wrong and i'm making a wrong in that headache is to punish me so god won't have to you are not speaking for god he may do it anyway and more insult to the injury course there's a good chance he won't if you do a good enough job of punishing yourself but what would a good enough job look like well doesn't look like anything i've seen here so whatever job it is you've got of beating yourself to relieve yourself of whatever you're trying to relieve yourself just isn't going to work and worrying about it just doesn't do it i was on a radio time because that's all you do but they want to hit me over some i'm just slam of the table and glared at me say hey it is my idea that worrying is a waste of time it just happens to be that would show me anything you worried about that really really great because you worried about it it will not often happens you don't worry i worry about these other things that that's already done i don't have to worry about this is my worrying that took care of it and i said you know i had the same thing and i didn't i didn't worry at all and anyway i don't believe that you see it can only happen a certain way if you worry or if you have fear or guilt i said well i didn't read that  not smart enough to know that i just went and did it it's like well how do you do it so i just got up went over there and picked it up moved it and all you did was worry about somebody's going to mash it and when it wasn't some it around knocked it off i said isn't that just like life is like that i often just thought that you know mother earth was just really fickle she went to get from a safe place to a real safe place than this crack that open there's no safe place there's nothing safe on this planet like here's some bad news so you're born you start dying so what you worry about it or what you just live there when you die that will be soon enough a lot of people just die every day but that's not the correct way to die you know the correct way to die is let this day die and tamal come alive and a great big brand new thing and then come tuesday let's let monday be dead the bible says something very clever like the evil of today is enough you know which means like let's don't do that tomorrow and as good as this is it's not tomorrow and some people become so worried about what people are going to say think about tomorrow's performance that they're in misery right now and wonder why they're miserable because well but what do they think and i want them to think this and want to think that i want to do this their pain tension to use i know that's what bothers me that i'll just think the way i want to think oh we've got four billion people running that number and they're all running it differently how about let's let them think whatever they want to think why because if that's all they do they're harmless look at all things you thought you were going to do and you didn't do right i'm going to do this and i'm going to do that i think i'll do best i think i'll do that some of  direct opposition to each other and you didn't even know it well how about all those people that are feeling what they're going to do that they're harmless why they feel so much like a yo yo up down up down up say well how about those people who get physically in start you better watch it because they're going to transform the world because they're going to be doing and they're going to take their motions in limine and use it as a tool that you better watch out because they got that body moving and it doesn't have to be fast dynamic every thought that we can get if we can get an emotion to match it that's great and if we can move on it physically we've got it but if you just got a thought and emotions to match it and no way to move on it physically let it go it's time is not present to get there if you can't do one physically it doesn't matter what people are telling you what you should you shouldn't do you should have told him off they're not around i think i'll tell him off that feels good where are but that that we are to my way of knowledge to my way of knowing him i haven't found a way to contradict it it just keeps on going to turn only and i don't even know what eternity is yet and i didn't i don't even know what a hundred percent is yet i have found it every time i thought i got there there was more on top of time so he said you don't hundred percent of this i'm just doing a heck of a lot hundred percent i don't know you tell me i don't know i just don't know every time i laid the groundwork report cement on what it was some would call the hammer match and said that isn't it and i said that's right because i should have had your hammer in the  and just because you had a hammer out there and i looked around there is a pick and a shovel something else and i started down the tree and i said well i've mixed more concrete for no good reason but you could sure tell where i'd been mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake but that didn't make them wrong because i was learning from that learning from you see if you teach people something all you do is give them information so they walk out with more information what you've done is you've just shocked them right off when somebody comes to me they say explain it to me i said don't bother me why that's all you've had done to you all your life was explained to you and you still don't know but get them involved and they'll learn i could sit here and give you information about things or just blow your mind but it's already blown up with all the things you put in there that you believed in you're going to look at that and say you know i spent all that time with all those people and i didn't really get involved in my own life and here i thought i was get involved with them and i wasn't getting involved with them i wasn't even involved with me and it's like i do that all the time it's like say it again i do that all the time once more i do that all the time yeah i get it now why it isn't working because i do that all the time i can change that because i know what that is so seems to that's one of the things i do all the time i think i'll do some unfamiliar things like just there to stand up and say hey i'm over here and i'm ok i might not be terrific but i'm a lot better than i was and in two days from now when i look back on when i was ok i know that was really terrible compared to where i am now but that doesn't make that wrong because that was ok then pain even in the pits isn't wrong at least you know where it is you know where it is and when you start to come close to that place you start to tip or say wait a minute i know where that is i don't have to do that just because somebody said i had to feel bad or guilty i don't have to believe that i had to believe him when he said fords are no good and cadillacs were no good i don't have to believe what he said only their religion was the best i don't have to believe any of that i think i just believe what my experiences are and my experiences might not be much for a while but they're starting to grow because i'm living my life and i'm getting involved in it do yourself one favor and if i could say hey do one thing for yourself and for me and for god's sake and that is validate your experience and yet you don't kick the rungs of the ladder by which you get to the top of the roof because if you fall down you know how to get back up by the rungs of the latter the lot of us say oh well my high school wasn't too good it's like why well because i have a p psychology i got that this university yeah but you came up by that high school oh well i didn't think it had anything to do with this university i know that's the problem everything has to do with everything everything has to do with everything but what you just live with the way it's going to unfold for you and it'll be a roller coaster oh lord will it be fun you know slow up or at resistance to the top and then it goes you think my stomach just went out the top of my head limitations what you just have out there infinite ones you say yeah but i got to be practical and realistic i didn't say be dumb or stupid just expand your limitations out there and start living where you are today to the fullest don't live out there in that other area but just know that that is available to you and every time you laugh and have joy and you release the depression you now have more energy available to you than ever before and that energy is being pushed up by your love and they'll come up a little shake you is it brings you alive and will be strange and unfamiliar except when it takes place you say oh my god my heart open and it's full of love and i want to give it all away that's foolish oh except that's the way it works what love you've got don't hang on to it give it away give it all john rogers closing words were a sham which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i a dot o r g or right to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for joining us if we really came into one accord what could that be like could you have been on earth christ living amongst us in the us with us walking with us god come here to live us to being in heaven because this would be heaven well perhaps what you giving us through a new mirror in the images i see in that in the like the video and just being there is part of it like you're giving us the images through that that's  occurred to me giving the opportunity of the images you know but people have to fulfill them out their own creation how they fit in they determine that because the kingdom of heaven lets you do that so far there's only one thing that's not being allowed in spirit at the this point that's gravity changing we're all still here they're allowing us to overcome gravity through propulsion but not just by natural flow so there must be ok that all people have all their experiences with all the levels of consciousness because it's been primitives a lot and if it's not allowed there's nothing for me to say about it because spirit will stop it so far the lord of creation says you're still choosing and the foot noticed choose wisely not choose eager weakly not choose emotionally not choose mentally but maybe go to all those to get your information and then take it to god and say god if you were choosing what would you choose and then take that choice because that's going to be the eternal  and i have to find another level that i didn't know i had to serve in and it's got i'm constantly unraveling in and i feel like my skins coming off mean and i was a caterpillar now a butterfly and now i'm back to a caterpillar and i'm lower than that and and as you said it's not that you lay your life down but that you pick it up that's where the greater love is keep picking it  up ok that pretty good you took something that's really good and you picked it up and moved it to another level no greater love has a man that he would pick up his life and live it for his brother and then i just get well that's what we're all doing here in some way might say well yeah but i don't get to do that very much in the kitchen or in the salon of service or whatever it's called well i just say you know when you put that stamp on and i know you don't put stamps on anymore but let's just let me have the metaphor maybe put it on the most beautiful way a stamp can be put on all in some way given an opportunity here to pick up our life and then if we just translate out in the world that the whole world is in the movement of spiritual inner awareness and we're all called upon to pick up our life and live it you know a greater way that nobody does not have that responsibility so we all have that response and the ones that seemingly appear to us is not doing that and that can be an extreme like that person really not picking up their life how do we love that and it's always a great question you know maybe we just put our a coat around them or put her arm around him you know and say something like i'm somebody who's not judging you i'm sorry somebody just loves you the way you are i don't need to know your story i don't need to know the facts i don't need to know what you did i just love you and to me that that is a crisis message that's a message sent from god we can deliver that we're so what it is we open up those doors and two hundred rats rushin and then there they realize or something up those doors which are open that they really want call it cheese or whatever then our job is to not let one of them get through and it's and it's well let's call it your job it's you and two hundred rats so do you think you did you managed to stop all of them before one of them got through you know just looking at my life experience practically speaking no i don't want to physically stop two hundred scurrying rats going for the cheese full intensity so then how do we stop negative it's we can't allow ourself the luxury of a negative thought that becoming more apparent to you is there are things in there that says be careful what you hold in your mind hold the pictures in your mind that you want more art don't hold the pictures you want less of  because this planet's got a negativity on it like batteries we have a positive in the minus the soul of the positive point in the mind emotions the body there the negative points that goes about five to one but functions like twenty five to one one part of thought will take probably one hundred million in one day to wipe out a few of your negative ones let's start to produce inside of us that statement i am helped the i am wealthy i am happy i'm a loving caring person lady teacher told me i want to first things hold in your mind the pictures that you want more of and you're not held accountable for what pictures come to your mind only which ones you hold their