following program is sponsored by seattle open door church yet all open door church is committed to loving god loving people and loving life our doors are open to whomever no mass required seattle open door church so we're going to talk this week eight old testament reasons why not to tie the next record talk about eight and zero eight around eight reasons the new testament why not tied and then after that we're going to talk about you want to rob got is anybody catch what i'm doing if you can't catch it i'll help you out i believe you're supposed to tie not being ironic in this to what i'm saying is every know that now in court in the past is not me was a bastard say you were robbing me and then of course if it this think about it you sit in your bedroom and god shows up he walks in the room and god turns around and says well you robbed me when will you be your question how my robin you god so how we rob and you he says is answers what ties an offering so if you want to rob god don't tied that's reason number one why not the tide reason number two you want to be close to the church to be cursed so the reason you don't want to tie reason you're not going to tide because you want to be cursed yourself and you want the church to be cursed malakai three nine you are cursed with a curse for your robbing me the whole nation bad thing is happening to you for you are watt robbing me twice god says you're robbing me if you don't try twice he says you're cursed with a curse you're robbing me the whole nation of east on a nation of israel in other words the nation of israel tithing so you're close to the cursor you're robbing me the whole nation you say the whole nation is doing it so who's getting a curse is a just you or was it the nation get in a curse also all so if if as is the nation of israel if they were nation of visual was not tithing then those individuals being cursed but what else was being cursed the nation of israel so if you're not tithing you're being cursed and belong to a church who else is getting cursed the church the church is being curse to so if the church is being curt you're not only robbing god you're robbing the church and who's the church os the church isn't this building there are people meeting for church and all kinds of different buildings the church is us the body of christ so when you're when you're not tithing you're robbing god in there you're cursing yourself here not only for yourself you're cursing those around you so you there's two reasons so far we've seen why not the tide one reason  because you want to rob god the second reason you want to not tied is because you want to curse for you in the church reason number three reasons not to tie don't want to provide what is needed at the store house you don't want to if i give three percent did i try no you gave some money but you didn't try because it has to be ten percent to bring the whole tithe and other words bring ery thing the form out not nine and a half percent the temper sent food in my house in other words so that the needs could be met yes i was talking about who lived at the temple what group of people of that the temple the priests the levites did they get any land so if you do a lot to provide the meet the needs of the church you will tie that's what is sane and who is the church the building is the people so wait a second pastor that if i'm understand this what you're saying is that when i don't tie i'm still in from god i'm get put a curse on me and i'm not meeting the needs of the church well pastor ridge the church property is paid for the building is paid for the house next door there's own that you're just paid for there's no needs of the church ok so all of you are fine with no lights no he right next week we're going over we are we are soul were so conscious of our environment that we don't want to put out any more c o two than necessary so we're going to have a church with no lights and no heat because we live in seattle and we're very liberal and we are tree huggers and we believe man causes everything in the universe because the whole universe is wrapped around man  controls what god controls so this take it to the extreme so you should tie the lease to make sure that was not for the lights to go on not for the two but you ties so that the needs of the church  individual needs are met with people people come and they want is mazy to meet people who live on the street someone never tied them their whole life never been the church the whole life they come in and they won't w money and help think about that never given a dime to this church i've never showed up this church i've never given my life mean anything to this church and i walk in and i think that because you're a christian you old me do we trick question we don't know maybe they but in a loving caring and want to help out then we should but guess would how do we help out where's that money come from past rich's pocket where's it come from ties and offerings the storehouse has to have food the way it has buddha buys the food money that is spent in the church comes from people giving so how else can we just look at reason number four why not to tie you don't want to test god and that one sounds good and want to test god by tithing because a bible we shouldn't says we shouldn't test god but let's see what god says  test me on this god says test me if he is why do you take a test was the purpose of a test is it to find out if you did you know the knowledge you know what you're studying you go to a course in geometry take a test to prove what if you know geometry or not right you know god saying he say to find out of what i'm saying about tithing is true take the test and see if you pass the test or not but who's that who's the test for is god right is test is saying god i'm going to tie the see if what you say is true about tithing i'm going to test you see if you pass the test god because i don't know if you'll pass the test or not so bring the hotels to us there maybe for my else and test me now on this so if you don't want to test god don't tie so again this look at it so so for a reason why not to tie this because you want to rob god i want to rob god so i'm not going to god reason number five you don't want to be a god commanded testing i'm not going to tied because i don't want to obey god when he tells me to test me to god man the people to test the what did he tell them to test ten bring the whole tithing to storehouse so that there may be food in my house and test me now on this as a lot of paul's a man that asked him by tithing now how many times in the bible is that god telling us the i don't know if reaping and sowing work are still in reaping i don't know if it's true or not i'm a test to see if it works i'm or so some sinister if i reach send back but nobody plans about is that what we do all the time if we still sin what are we going to get we're give thanks and everything you know what how many actually give thanks in everything we do just the opposite you know most of the time if we're not care and i should say most the time because hopefully most of you're not doing this but many times we as christians do what protesting god sees his words true or not but the only time he says to do that is when right here testing obey him reason number six we have six reasons are almost a reason six six punishment think about that god uses unholy angels to bring his punishment read your bible and so out of it god himself normally is the one issue in his judgment or else does it sucks it down right it devours it so i see this is your turn around do it you're supposed to do and the devil says what can i get from them what can i steal from them was a bible say the devil does what rob stills destroys kills that's the nature of satan that's his law that he falls so he's out to the valor so i get a raise and what does the devil want to do give you a bill right you get a ten percent raise and your taxes went up ten percent he tries to devour anyway he can use whatever he can this verse to say when you tied your limiting valid say is able to do that that mean that if i tied nothing bad will happen to me now i'll give you a little hint not everything bad happens to me is bad some bad things that happened to me or blessings i just don't know it i lost that job because i didn't lose that job i would have been adulterer it was about i kept that job they would have been some woman that would have been the temptation to cause me to fall to cheat on my wife and god knew that and god wants me to be walking with him because i'm a faithful to either because i'm faithful and all the things that i do god can see what's going to happen so god says i don't want to see your marriage devalued word so i am going to allow you to lose that job to keep you from being tempted in fallen into adultery where your marriage would be devoured you see that's how god can work in the supernatural realm to make sure that we don't have to about what we don't see it that way because all we seek has some us have been driving with his ten limousines flying with his their brains helicopters that go preach because if he is the one that shows up people want to show up because i worship it a man is dead of jesus and some people get broke because they have to drive the same car as them to prove it they've been because they're keep giving because he says they give because guess what if you give giving because you have the right kind of heart will god make you broke even if that man is preaching to get rich is going to make you broke i give it my all because i want the fruit of my labor because i know some i work hard god is going to honor my hard work and here's why i also know that if i'm working hard and i faithfully tithing then god is going to watch over the work that i do and he's going to make it that my money goes further and there's going to be fruit from labor so if you don't know if you just want to work and see the enemy eat it all up but you don't see for your labor don't ti apples what would you do would be a good way to have apples grow it and what they're saying is when you grow the apples guess what the worms on each are apples anybody ever had apples in their yard especially in washington how many know that that worms eat more apples than you do ok they eat it up this is saying when you ties when you're faithful the concept is to be less worms eat your apples don't get crazy on me because you'll be a faithful tired have an apple tree and a worm still eat it don't get crazy with me with formula because as soon as you've got a formula it doesn't work because god won't be formalized we have glimpses of who god is here's one of his glimpses who he is when you tide guess why he blesses it so why do we need one more one more reason why not to tie the reason number eight why not to tie you don't want to be called blessed to be a delight to a for a few people this tithing being worse he's saying if a nation follows us tithing principle it works for a whole nation that's pretty powerful think about that is god pretty obligate if he says that think about it i promised my and he didn't just say it to the nation he said it to all those who love him and so god can fulfill that promise to airdrie want to be what your nation will be blessed and guess what is this all nations will be bush when you are faithful in tithing in a church is faith one tithe you know what others get blessed and then it says that you called shall be a delight to the land you know when you face the tide tithing you know what your delight to others because you have the right kind of heart you do it for the right reasons your delight in not doing it for the wrong reason and what do you think of you two top one percent you've got to take care of giving you another percent to make up for the one percent that you gave you'll never know you know i'll never know you're not testing so a god is saying you tide you give and then what will happen is there's a blessing that comes in and i don't know what the blessing looks like doesn't say i know this voice and opens the door i will come in rubberstamp thirteen says we have a call upon the name of the lord will be saved john one seven says you must be born again acts sixteen the only ones that believe in the lord jesus very with me today is richard dover director of her haven house i think the expression falling off the wagon is becoming more and more prominent referencing when people return to addictive behaviors after making initial attempts to get free sobriety always a struggle to maintain for former addicts whereas it is possible to overcome the state of for jealousy of lives possible overcome but to be honest most of us will take the do the work take the time  humble enough be submitted enough be open enough enough to be able to walk in that victory and one of our goals if there have houses to help individuals to get to that place what we see is the more structure there is for the individual the