we are talking today with judyth vary baker judyth vary baker is an american artist writer and poet she first became known as a young prodigy in cancer research then later for her assertion in one thousand nine hundred nine that w conducting cancer research in new orleans in the summer of one thousand sixty three she had a love affair with lee harvey oswald the accused assassin of president john f kennedy and she is here to talk about her book me and how i came to know love and lose lee harvey oswald judith thank you very much for coming and spending time with us today well you're very welcome thank you for having me so start out tell us what was your motivation in writing man same small sub company the same day called standard coffee a lot of people never knew that something that was kind of hidden and of course i knew that the records were there there only like two records that show that in the whole warren commission thing we have jack ruby's mothers teeth but we don't have any thing about the fact that lee and i rode the same bus for eleven weeks every single day where we lived a few blocks apart that is only one bus stop apart that we were hired the same day the small sub company and on top of that one week later we were transferred to a larger company riley coffee maybe ninety five maybe one hundred employees still not that big that was when i was training someone i was supposed to stay until the end of august and at that time i would be replaced unfortunately they fired me on august ninth because that was the day i was seen with lee prior to his being arrested trying to find pro castro spies that were coming in because this was a port of entry castro spies were coming in because a lot of anti castro people were working there in new orleans and for example they had a training camp out at lake ponchartrain and they were the cast of spies were trying to infiltrate the training camp to see who was against them of course these job was to hand out pamphlets not only the ones we see on films on august ninth and that week later but also he did this a couple  months earlier and in each case i can document why he did this for example a lot of people don't understand that well why do you see this man who's just a penny up pamphilus why is he on film why you see that important you had demonstrations going on all the time in new orleans it was you know segregation this that the other will bannister really they set up pictures they wanted photographs you know they were taking photos of people who were taking these flyers and not discarding them it was quite paranoid back then you're talking about six months after the cuban missile crisis you're talking about fetal castro having aimed his nuclear armed missiles at the united states kennedy stop that you know along with khrushchev it was a very dire period and now we have castro's people infiltrating all the way to south america central america and people like riley coffee company for example they didn't want their coffee beans disrupted they didn't want their sugar products you know in trouble already united states was no no longer getting any sugar of course from cuba and standard fruit which was located in new orleans they lost their wharf and and all their shipping between cuba and united states into new orleans so we have the trade mart the very first international trade mart was built there in new orleans with a sister organization started in california and of course now we know about the trade mart at the world trade center and what happened their trademark seems always been to be involved in some things that are pretty bad for america really needs to be looked into jim garrison did just that and he had died clay shaw who was one of the managing directors of the trade mar all but wonderful thing happened and also brought out the zapruder film that film shows kennedy's head violently thrown backward but lee oswald was shooting they said at him from behind now we have dan rather on record man came from new orleans he was a newspaper reporter he went pretty high because he was rewarded for saying some pretty interesting things he said he saw the film that the united states for some reason you have others like that warren commission never got to see you never got to see the film ok that film he got to see it merican public didn't get to see it until the garrison had been investigation and maybe a few people saw it but people in general the american public did not see this film where kennedy you can tell he's being thrown violently backward back into the left i guess is why it's always described rather as out of breath he runs he says seen the film they said i saw kennedy's head violently thrown forward shot from behind and that went everywhere other things about lee oswald went everywhere for example they said we have found a map in his in his  berkeley excuse me where he was living in there in the rooming house there ok beckley knew and we found a map and it shows trajectories that shows he was going to shoot from you know all these lines two days later hidden down way low in the paper ok you have to look for it it says the map doesn't really exist yes so you have all of this stuff going on there is so much of it demonizing lee oswald there are pictures of with  is funny grin i have blown those pictures up to show people when we go we're going to be going to i want to get this where we're going we're going to this seattle press conference at ten thirty am on the twentieth and then we're going to be at the convention center in room two a one i'm going to show people just exactly how they frame lee oswald i'm going to tell them a lot more about about my story with lee so i know i kind of digressed here and so i hope you pull me back in to what you would like me to say about lee and but i really want people to know that a lot of lies have been out there who have the power to do that who had the power to do that i know that lee was busy trying to help us the united states government reined in fetal fidel castro he was trusted by a lot of the pro castro people because he had been sent is a fake defector to the u s s r and he was promoting himself you know how we're not very happy with iran right now and you can imagine if we had someone come in they say look i know all this material about drones and i'm going to go over there and i'm going to show him how to shoot it and shoot him down and i'm going to throw my passport down right here and i'm going to declare this through i have given up my american citizenship and out i go i'm going to run do you think they'd let him out of the building well they lately us walled out of the american embassy building in moscow to do exactly that to go and give information about the you to and all kinds of radar installations they had to change all the coat yet this man comes back all more than two and a half years later his passport still waiting for him right at the embassy they hand him his passport they give him a loan through an agency that's connected with the u s government to come home with a russian wife and a baby he wouldn't leave his baby behind part of the reason that i get a little upset when people they don't like to mention well here we've got this man he's over russia you know and he comes back then he ever mentioned no you never got arrested you know and yet why if this man was such a danger why was he not on the list of people to be watched in dallas because he never was any kind of threat to lee lee was never a threat to kennedy they took a photograph a lot of you don't know this of kennedy off his wall in his rooming house you know and we have lots of things in evidence files that you never hear of a minute speil spy camera they later say that that spy camera was a light meter minox a light meter but if it was a light meter why did officer rose open it up and he testified he pulled film out of it so why the minox i saw it myself and he took pictures of it because we didn't have zero x machines back then he could take photographs with a minute actually that thing was smaller than a bar of candy you can keep in his pocket nobody knew and he you know something else he did i watched him he developed his own films he had fancy cameras he had a three day three d camera could make three dimensional pictures yes but they have him with his plastic real cheap camera the supposed have taken these backyard photos he had is supposed to have his wife do this ok and you look on the back and anyway you find out that these photos were processed at a store just like very they didn't apparently know that lee processed his own film those backyard photos were processed in the store so what's going on here well somebody i think planted that camera because the police didn't find it they had these photos and people say well where's the camera we don't see is can we got fancy cameras here well what do you know a couple weeks later it shows up in the garage where the police have been over and over scolding it somehow they missed this cameras this high in the garage didn't want him to know the public to know that he might have had a girlfriend like me believe me he was not a homosexual he had two little kids just from a very young marriage and everything else when he was arrested they took hair samples they to put  chunk out of his hair here they got off his arm they got off his chest i have the police records for that and they shaved his pubic area and then hoover said look they shaved pubic area he must be a homosexual ok then they from lee oswald when they cut off of and these were found on the blanket they were so fuzzy and everything you can't see anything nor can you see the ends of a blanket would have pubic hairs or you would have lee there shaving them off of him under the blanket right ok but you can't see the ends they just show the strands they don't show the ends a natural one would have a ball money and they don't show any you don't see any bulbs because if you you know if something falls out or breaks off it'll have end nope we don't have any of that you know all we see are these strands and they're very very poorly printed porous paper and they say look they match this is from les as well when he was shaved these were found on the blanket but they don't tell you there that there are even other pubic hairs and and other hairs on the blanket that didn't belong to lee oswald here's the reason that blanket went through the washing machine and dryer at ruth paine's house she's got michael paine there ruth paine you've got marina you've got two little kids from the pains in a baby and you have seven people there and you're going to have hairs on that blanket from something because they were being washed here the blanket was supposed to have had the the where she said she was making blocks for her children somehow didn't notice is rolled up you know like here with a rifle inside that very interesting link and i have it lola for j v b for l h l and those are number four's on you t if you know if you're eating if you're a man you're not eating quiche you're not making granny you know it's ok so here's this blanket and you you look at the blanket in the national archives there's not one speck of dirt on it thing another interesting thing is ruth paine who lives there brought the police and she said we're expecting you they ask you know if there was a rifle here or anything she says well let's go into the garage she talks in russian to poor marina they go in there and it's sitting there is a blanket she goes over and steps on it that proves there's nothing in it how did she know all right so you have all these problems you're going to find a lot more stuff in here but also my personal relationship with lee and what we were doing in new orleans trying to kill feed el castor oil because he was somebody that the u s government wanted to limit ated so did the mafia wall was not only he was in new orleans so the mafia and the f b i and cia at this time were working together to try and eliminate castro lee was someone who could be on both sides so tell us how is it that you ended up in new orleans all right the book will tell you a great deal about how it was i wanted to cure cancer it was my passion i wanted and i had real intelligent parents my father worked  he was an electrical engineer and he invented some components for it for televisions i built my first t v set when i was ten years old i had a lot of interest in science always when my grandma died of cancer that that piqued me i wanted very much to do what i could i had obtained cancers fish and i met a great cancer researcher his name was dr alton ochsner and i would meet him again ok but he encouraged me and i was me that was in contact with someone whose name was commute mickleson mickelson was a hitler an agent against hitler and the world war two he was a geneticist working with radiation he came he visited my school we have all the newspaper articles about it and they introduced me right away because i was already doing experiments with these cancers fish and he was a geneticist working with cancer so he talked to me he was impressed he got colonel philip doyle who  was teaching was in taking some of his classes there and some retired military officers doyle was one west point this is a town filled brayden schenn filled with military officers  retired and so on and michelson had connections with oakridge and soon on top of that i got other connections so i'm working i'm being sent materials and part of the reason i'm being sent materials to work on my cancer research is when i was sixteen i developed a new modified way to get magnesium out of seawater and i went right up to the international science fair with that it was it was a modification to remove platinum from  process that had been developed in germany and the u s government was sort of interested in that this is a cold war there they're trying to get lightweight magnesium products cheaper you know to everything from trying testing them on rockets to many other subjects for example if you're going to have lighter if you want to clad aluminum was very important and magnesium was even more important because it was so lightweight so it is it  was tactical material that they were interested in so when i was up in indianapolis all of a sudden i brought my materials along about the work i was by now doing with mice and they saw that and i got even more help ok i mean it just poured in and so now i'm down in florida and they're scared because i have given mice cancer i mean i was working with  dr rather some doctors who have their records they were trained at oakridge overseen by the cia and i show that in the presentations ok and not just one doctor but at least two of them and there were others so i'm trying to give mice cancer because my dream was to see if i could impede stop cancer from spreading from migrating elsewhere in the body was at that time if it's still true if you remove a cancer family is i was born in south man we have many connections now notre dame and so what happened is he helped me he got me germ free money so we already had no immune system whatsoever and i had to keep them in in pretty sterile conditions and everything like that and using a specific really designed i designed a carcinogenic compound made from cigarette butts my friends were gathering cigarette butts from all over the town you know and we finally i finally got it i gave cancer lung cancer to mice in seven days it never done that anywhere and i had the materials i had my records i had my log books i had my histological specimens i had everything in the photographs and i crashed the science writer seminar the fourth one was held in st petersburg florida is only two twenty two miles away and i had to lift my spirit and show my leg get a bus to stop to get me across you know but i went over there with a press pass from my high school and entered in there between two reporters just as they're shutting the door reporters sat down and i realized there was not a seat in that place and there was all there all these gusts doctors the cancer research specialist the best probably in the world you had dr harold deal their vice president of the american cancer society lung cancer expert that's why i wanted to go ok in charge of research and giving grants all right he's in the newspaper with me you know they came to my school you have dr georgie moore the director of the roswell park institute for cancer research now called the roswell institute he's the head of the whole thing i ate lunch with them you know they were the others we have dr harold yuri nobel prize winner in chemistry and dr robert robinson it sir obert robinson because he got knighted by by the queen of england and he's a nobel prize winner they're looking at my materials they go to my school they call a doctor i've met before and it was dr all kno flies in so i've got these three doctors these three doctors had often testified together it when there they were trying to sue the tobacco companies because it causes lung cancer when you smoke ok so these three doctors know each other like each other and they are together and that just skidded grease the skids i'll just put it that way because the next thing i know i'm getting world class training at roswell park i'm learning how to handle the s b forty monkey virus the friend virus the root virus he love you name it different and i was helping i was also interested in bacteria phages research and i learned how to handle identify the changes that come into cells when they're damaged by radiation in the newspapers it says that you know i had chance oh i had so many scholarships i could go anywhere i wanted but i wanted to go back to my native indiana and it was too late for me to make  university of chicago i had i didn't even make any applications for any of my colleges they just poured in and i didn't realize you know that university of chicago you had to make an application so i wanted to go the first couple semesters a small college st francis college because they promised i could continue my work with mice and everything like that and we have a paper that i presented in indiana to a professional association there  generation that was working with very potent stuff in the newspapers you'll see that these doctors who were mentoring me these people who are were advising me and guiding me i've been assigned to try and make cancer more deadly now that is completely the opposite of what i was wanted to do i wanted to cure cancer these people we have dr george moore in the presentation i will be doing it to convention center i mention how  more is there's a newspaper article where it says we shouldn't tell people that were injecting them with cancer one which there are many with if we do we won't have anybody volunteer this is the kind of mindset we were we were working with go ahead and inject people with cancer to see if it's going to make give them cancer don't tell them so i have the records on all this these are the kind of things that were going on that was dr moore dr ochsner is on record as having worked with prisoners at the jackson mental hospital ok there's a louisiana facility ok in jackson louisiana and there's a doctor there or he was a psychiatr that time working there and he was interviewed before he died and they think they asked silly questions like yes doctor you know dr fred silva we hear that you were doing experiments out here with prisoners and you know they were volunteers from angola prison and you know i was working with enters we didn't do any experiments i have a paper that he published ok along with dr robert heath from tulane where you see they were rejecting prisoners from angola ok with psychedelic drugs testing them and that's a published paper and under the table they were doing a lot more and that it really gets to me that people say well dr silver what's he going to say dr silver going to say oh yes we were experimenting with people and not telling them what we were doing with them they were injecting them with cancer we're not going to you know we want everybody to know that it's not life that ok so i have the records william life say was there in one thousand nine hundred sixty three others have reported to me that they were involved in various experiments so when people say oh come on you mean you're rejecting cancerous materials in people that jackson you bet and i have to tell you though that i got out of that experiment when i found out that the people that at least one that they were using was not informed i was originally told that these prisoners had terminal illnesses cancers evidence you know as to what was going on plus we have edward haslam for at least two decades edward new dr mary sherman who was viciously murdered on july twenty first one nine hundred sixty four when the warren commission came to get testimonies and because something's funny going on in new orleans so funny that they that we have jim garrison going after clay shaw and getting international attention because of that course they it's so complicated we're talking about six hundred pages of information it's got i saved documents i saved all kinds of things we have the stories of all the people that were involved and they can't fight the book because it's all backed up with fact anyway there i was ordered to make cancer more deadly and i did my work i had no idea that we were going to use this on humans i was told originally that if we find out what makes cancer more deadly we'll be able to figure out maybe how to kill it so that's how i was alerted to this i come to new orleans two weeks early the doctors were out of town they were in south america we've got the records for that for and we believe that mary sherman was with him because she was fluent in spanish and was one of the few people who was involved as he was told you were going to be doing in new orleans i was told that i would be getting  going to be able to skip two years of college and go straight into medical school but i needed to have this internship with dr mary sherman and i said you know dr mary sherman was brutally murdered you know it's it's warren commission couldn't talk to her she was front page news there is nothing wrong with her when i saw our research she was there the first two weeks i got there early because our school had gone on to the trimester system got out early and they didn't know that they sent me a bus ticket i thought i was supposed to come right away i should've waited two weeks but i really didn't have anywhere to go so i come and there's nobody there and i had a fiance who said maybe i'll come marry you know i think i will maybe i got to talk you know i've got to do this but not get my parents mad at me because you're catholic and i was atheist at the time but you know i was catholic and they didn't like catholics so he didn't want anybody to know so we were writing these letters a letter back and forth you know and one of them was a you know please write i'm ok and signed j and that was due to and that was for me now i'd like to quickly ahead when you have a telephone call coming from a woman just a couple janitor he was a clerk there he wasn't a janitor but he knew it was me and then he was able to call me back so we had our last conversation only thirty seven and a half hours before the assassination he told me he was part of a sometimes it's really hard for me to talk about this all right he gave his life he found a way to penetrate the wringer sasa nation ring you'll find out all of the details not only in this book but also in documentaries monkey they go to  and you'll see also information there some of the files and things they're right on site there so anyway levy is talking to me and you know he says yeah i finally have gotten you know in so close in this group by pretend didn't like kennedy he said there's something the matter he said you know i of course they think i'm going to shoot and i would never shoot kennedy because i said please get out of there and he said well if he did they just replace him he said if i stay that will be one less kennedy that's the first thing he did and then he told me that he had become a member of an abort team he told me that he had saved kennedy's life previously already when i told people this in  ninety it's taken a while for people to understand and i'm getting my witnesses and i have people verifying what i've said in one thousand nine hundred ninety i didn't have that so when i said it told me that he believed he saved kennedy's life ok in another city people almost all come on maybe he was a patsy and he was all this but come on save kennedy's life you know this man i mean he had been the u s s r after all he was handing out for ok you know he may have been framed but god how in the world could he have helped save kennedy's life in any way we have abraham bolden in a very respected booked j f k and the unspeakable by james douglas an excellent book the best book on  assassination and it shows the treason of the generals it shows how kennedy was being surrounded by enemies from every side and his some of those enemies actually went on the warren commission like allen dulles he was fired he was the head of the cia kennedy fired him and this fox here is telling us what happened in the hen house all right when kennedy died he's investigating they were told right from the beginning from with what's called the kat we have to convince the american people that lee harvey oswald acted alone just a couple just a couple days after the assassination lee himself is dead forty seven hours after kennedy's i mean after his arrest which was only sixty nine minutes after kennedy was shot and we have that arrest form is filled out at one forty pm when they arrested him at a texas theater you  know you have four police who have signed this document and it says this man shot and killed president john f kennedy and he shot and killed officer j d tippit any wounded john connally this is before he's been properly searched we know that because we've got two wallets they find for lee oswald one at the tippit scene that disappears because the other wallet they find you know when they're take it out of his pocket when he's in the car there can't make him look funny and blue blue a big smile they actually you can when you blow up the photos you can see how his mouth is going like this but they retouch it to make it go up like that so he's got this crazy grin on his face of course then everybody's go hate him anyway lee told me that he had he was a member of an aborted we have james douglas who has interviewed and wonderful man his name is abraham bolden the first black secret service man he has written a book echo from dealey plaza he tried to save kennedy tried to tell people he went to top people and was saying things like look the secret service was lax a member of the secret service these men were lax in taking care of kennedy he did not order them off the car and so on they put him in prison and they filled him with drugs they put in a psychiatric ward and he's still trying to get he's been an honorable man all his life and he finally got released his story is really worth listening to he tried to tell them that a man named lee saved kennedy's life in chicago and he didn't want that to come out not that many leads in the world you know and that's really what i asked him did you think you saved kennedy's life he said i believe i did we know that our men were arrested in chicago three weeks before kennedy finally died kennedy was going to get on this plane it was stopped at the last minute before reaching there's a man named valley looks like he was being set up to be the patsy if they had many to kill kennedy in chicago we have mary sherman working we were trying to save kennedy's life by then just in dr mary sherman was from chicago she had contacts there it's all complex this is why this case hasn't been solved all these years but because the people are very powerful who are involved every year you see highly financed films coming out trying to prove one more time that  and they reason they keep coming up with new ones is because of course on this researchers show what's wrong with the silly things that they put together trying to prove their point you have there's so much i could say about that and i'm going to have a lot of that in the presentation telling me he saved kennedy's life i tell people in one thousand nine hundred nine and you know i'm hooted out of the room it's not happening anymore because i have so many witnesses so many documents and so much that you know corroborates everything i've been saying and i have enough passion and i'm not scared anymore once you hit seventy and i mean i'll just put it this way i don't care what happens to me anymore i want people to know the truth well people can still understand that we might deliver you something to get our country back on track where it belongs because when you have this kind of thing going on you have the wrong people taking control of the country it in like kennedy i've got a photo showing lyndon johnson staring at kennedy with so much unmitigated hatred that just like you put it shooting arrows at him there are many books out about who lyndon johnson really was and his desire to become president now lead and say the least that lyndon johnson did it or was going to do it he said that because of the scandal of bobby baker and billy sol estes that he would go along with the assassination that's pretty bad and we have madeline brown and i lived in in texas she was a mistress of l b j and she's on record they've tried to say oh she was never the mistress or she's lying she had no reason to say that when she went to this party and they've tried to obscure the facts about where this happened and when it happened and so on she was an older lady of course by the time she was interviewed but she there's a lot of evidence that what she said should resonate and that is lyndon johnson comes out from this meeting and he says after tomorrow those damn kennedys are not going to embarrass me anymore that's not a threat that's a promise and she loved  him she had a son by him i lived in texas almost eighteen years and returned to texas later that was stupid because i ended up in the hospital twice in texas trying to find witnesses you know to support some because i knew some of the people there not a safe place to go not if you're me put it that way anyway lee oswald thirty seven and a half hours before the assassination says he is a member of an abort team i told this to  near the end of one thousand nine hundred ninety or early in two thousand and he's looking i have stacks of evidence he's looking he's been spending hours looking at this you know we're in a restaurant where they'd like us probably kick us out we've been there all day you know and he's and then i said you know lee said he was a member of an abort team and you know apparently they just couldn't get there in time because kennedy got died not everybody in the cia is awful some of the people learned of this were trying to protect kennedy that's why he lived an extra few weeks because people did respond when lee gave them information for example jim marrs almost fell off his seat what do you mean we need to abort he says nobody knows about this is not a record it's not hasn't gotten out most of those people are dead but jim marrs then started looking seriously at the outrageous claims i had you know and as he looked in a showed and i had saved everything from  sixty three i had even a street car tickets that show you know the dates when lee and i went places that were important and i had bus tickets i had all my riley checks showed that we were hired the very same day had a little small subsidiary of a bigger company and there are records got laundered because i was doing cancer research one of my doing as the secretary for the vice president of riley coffee company when i c well i could type but you wouldn't want to have any of those letters on your come going out to anybody you know i have it was absurd but we were hired you see cover jobs and on top of that when lee's going out somewhere like you go to banister's office or something like that people couldn't find him we had to protect him from getting fired he was there eleven weeks and he was almost never there so you have leon clocking in at maybe eight thirty one and another time at nine forty five and another time at eight thirty in another time it and nine thirty one and so on he's being clocked out at five o'clock five o'clock or five thirty right on the nose and that's because i didn't want to sit around as the secretary the vice president i would take his card and clock him out and they had all moved away when i did it see i got to go it right on the nose like that even though they had like ninety employees standing in line to clock out you know it's five o'clock or five thirty i got in there first because i was a vice president secretary so i clocked him out put the card back it's just you know right there you have some statistics to work with but on top of that  were transferred one week later to riley same day also we live we moved into our apartments the same week we arrived in new orleans the same week and we rode the bus because we had no other transportation the same bus we lived only one bus stop part and so for eleven weeks we're running back and forth on the magazine bus sitting together and i have to say since i mean he got on first and i got on second he would notice i think who was sitting there and i looked pretty cute back then ok and i like i'm a talkative person i was sociable i didn't sit there you know second my thumb i would talk to people so even if you didn't believe that we knew each other and we did before the jobs were arranged there's no possible way when we got off at the same bus stop to go to work at the same company he wouldn't notice who i was and of course i learned all about him even before that now was fired in july from the coffee company the day he was fired that we have it but an ad out to replace me because i'm no longer needed i don't have to clock him out i don't have to prove his time cards they were terrible condition they said did this man make forty hours you know and one of the vice president's jobs was for not only financing working with field agents security so that when they had disputes my initial j cards most of them a majority of them some of them have been a race recently we went to the mary ferrell foundation's site and the cards that we have shown to people from the national archives sixty minutes also had copies of showing my jase they have erased the js so in my presentation i show what they look like before they race of their they've gone along and they have erased my presence from a lot of things that were there even  until the end of august after they carried to replace me because i had to train somebody to take my place but on august ninth i didn't get to stay till august fifteenth on august ninth is arrested but because i had been seen with him prior to his a rest i was fired that day so i have a check showing that day he was arrested ok i got i got fired i got my last year and it was horrible it was ten bucks you know it was not very much money and were you still working with doing the cancer research at that point this these were covered jobs i would be there in the mornings at riley's and on mondays and tuesdays i would be there on wednesday thursday and friday also off and on barry was out of town a lot going to miami to this is where i was doing a lot of work with an associate of he wasn't a doctor but he was hired to bowl just like i was i wasn't a doctor they had this ring set up and i was one of the few people had been trained who wasn't a doctor and who wouldn't be traceable who could handle deadly viruses and the things they were working with dave ferrie had to be out of town a lot because he was trying to get his job back with eastern airlines and banister went down there and other people that are important to read about in the book ok trying to help him save his job so a number saturdays i was also working there and we were processing you've got to think of it like this i could give mice cancer  seven days that's what that's what the doctors learn when they work with me we are now working with mice in seven days with a cancer that's so deadly and that's what they've been working on ever since  that in seven days the cancer would be as big as the mouse itself we were harvesting the biggest of them and it had to be done very carefully you don't want ordinary people handling this material it's deadly  and it's being taken to the us public health service edward haslam is proven now we'll put it this way indicated he has people who have assured him that they installed the equipment necessary to make mega important doses of radiation on this material and it was mutating all different directions it was just being injected back into more mice and the fastest growing stuff we kept taking it and it was faster and faster and we're talking about hundreds of mice it didn't matter they came from all over the place because most mutations are deadly are they there they don't do anything or they're negative even but since we're after cancer cancer  you can give people a lot of x rays and they can get cancer from it that's a fact people don't realize that when you get radiation treatment and you have cancer it can give you cancer so these are things people should know and it is my hope that the cancer industry will stop being a cancer treatment industry and be a cancer cure industry it's about time it's ridiculous but of course it won't make as much money there will be a lot of people out of work if we  hundred sixty one sixty two sixty three we were working with viruses and vaccines at that time they actually took a vaccine to the pope who was dying of stomach cancer but it was too late now i don't know whether that vaccine would have worked but we have gone in that direction again until recently when they did the human papilloma virus vaccine all right so we know back certain vaccines can cure certain cancers why have we had to wait forty years well people are spending three hundred thousand four hundred thousand to save their lives on by getting cut any poison and getting burned and that's what the way the medieval way that cancer is being handled when there are many other ways that could have been used and they've even shut down people have tried other ways they do not want this to get out of the public and that's that i think some of the reason i had so many threats is because i know what we could have done back then it's even bigger than the kennedy assassination and you realize how many people have suffered from cancer and all we get are more toxic drugs they're even delivering some of these drugs with nano packets they're using bacteria five to go into the system find the cancerous material and they inject these little viruses inject these teeny packets of chemotherapy ok chemotherapeutic drugs into the cancer i ask you why aren't they using these viruses to attack the cancer itself instead of delivering expensive packages of chemo when you can engineer and were able to do it viruses to actually person you know attack it then after its attack the viruses would stay in your system if you had a recurrence it wake up again and attack it again that's what inoculations are all about these vaccines they work and they'll keep working but my goodness we're going to lose an awful lot of money we're going to have to shut down all those radiation centers or have to shut down all those chemical plants they're making toxic materials we're going to have to to a lot of specialist will be out of jobs or maybe we just will not invent the light bulb  keep using candles for the rest of eternity ok so you spoke to him on by phone thirty seven hours before he was yes and and at that time you know he said they  want me to shoot he says you're deaf you may think i'm a good shot you know i'm not that good so he understood that he had a problem he thought he would be shot dead in a rifle would be placed in the sand consider human beings please if this man is so intelligent that he was you know prolife he was proficiency and absolutely fluent in russian and he was able to sneak around and sneak a rifle and do all these things how come he's so stupid he shoots from his own work place where everybody can identify him why it's lunchtime why doesn't he go to any of the other buildings in that fishbowl like the deltics building huge from there and then nobody knows and there now this man is so stupid ok that after he shoots kennedy he leaves the rifle behind you know right where it can be found you know on the same floor no less you know he goes and escapes by using a bus and escapes instead of going out of town i supposed have got into a taxi cab at the bus station the greyhound bus station where he had enough money in his pocket to go all the way to mexico city he doesn't get on one of those buses he goes to the movies and he's moving from seat to seat lea me that when he was in the soviet union ok that he had to attend a film of an opera called the queen of spades and he would find information or messages taped under the seats and he knew which seat to move you hav from seat to seat to seat it's not the same seat what is he doing there and of course they get him no reason you know saying what was lee doing there all right lee had infiltrated this group and he did sa kennedy's life i'm convinced in chicago there's so much to say and of course we can't do much in an hour that's why i hope people will get the book me and lee and many are the book they've tried to say things like i sell four hundred dollars much dogs you know twenty years ago therefore i'm a bad person and we were raising guide dogs for the blind they don't mention that and and those were violent voluntary donations so i mean it's it's terrible they will try to do character assassination so who are  involved and he's been intimidated by the way and there are a lot of he hasn't even spoken out very much in newsgroups that crucified him and me of course it looks like we have generals that are very angry you have kaval general cavill for example was fired by by kennedy his brother is the mayor of dallas so you have a nice nexus there going on he had even been the police chief in dallas before he was mayor ok we know that we have clint murchison we have ochsner who hated hated kennedy yet somehow we came in charge of kennedy's trip to new orleans in one thousand nine hundred sixty two so these people are getting close to kennedy and we have the secret service stand down is famous even though we have a book out there saying that kennedy ordered you know the people off his car the secret service that's not true we have vincent pala mara who's come out he got everybody on tape and film before they change their story and there you see there you know you've got tape and interviews saying no kennedy let us do whatever we wanted and he didn't have the right to order anybody off a car was in secret serve as that's their decision not his cell we have film showing them they're getting off the counting a what why why do why we supposed to get off we have these black cars that kennedy's the second car in this whole when have you heard of a president with without you know without being buried in the middle of a cavalcade know he's the second vehicle can you imagine behind him when if you ever heard of the vice president and the president being in the sa bomb could have got rid of them why do we have lyndon johnson ducking and secret service agents jumping on top of you have to protect him nobody moves in kennedy's car to help him there only one is a secret service agent that was attached to mrs kennedy he jumps onto the car from the back why is it that these cars are black linda johnson's car is blue a bright blue hey don't shoot me why is it that when lee oswald is taken out to be shot by jack ruby transferred you know jack ruby comes why is it that leavelle the detective that's with him why is he an the only guy there in a white suit hey don't shoot me you're so much there and we have a lot of people cooperating i believe because so many hated him kennedy we even have kennedy you know creating us treasury notes these are not federal reserve notes most of them are completely gone now ok five billion dollars worth he was creating money that we didn't have to pay people to print it was our money yeah so what do we have on the warren commission the former president of the world bank he's on the warren commission so we have the enemies of kennedy money it's it's it's done it's me how much they've been able to get away with and we lost a great man who couldn't be bought off he was independently wealthy and even though he was elected by some of the mafia his brother was going after the mafia and put him in prison so you have the mafia willing to help you can get these agencies and they will use people like the mafia so that they can plausibly deny you need to know that we have good leaders statesmen not politicians but we have to see where they came from this power has been handed down and some of these are still that were back there active still life today arlen specter just died this man invented the magic bullet gerald ford who became president by not by election but by appointment by a crooked president nixon all right who was in dallas on the twenty second when kennedy was killed that man move the bullet hole up more than four inches from where the secret service and the f b i said it was located because otherwise lee oswald bullet could not possibly gone through kennedy's nick so i hope people see the presentation that we're going to have at the convention center here and i'm going to repeat that convention center that's it and room to a one washington state convention center seven thirty it's going to be november twentieth tuesday so i pray that people will come learn the truth while i'm still alive to tell you all right well with that we are unfortunately out of time i want to thank you very much for coming and spend the time well your ground again talking with judyth vary baker author of the book me and lee how i came to