welcome to this week's episode of the touch sober show this is part two with howard storm we're talking about his near death experience welcome back to so howard thank you so why don't you just give the viewers a brief recap off here a near death experience are for those who have missed part one i was an atheist i was a college professor at nordic tech university i was thirty eight years old and here in first one nine hundred eighty five i was leading on our tour of students around was taken to a hellish place and in that place i called out to juices and he came and took me out of there and i had a life review and he invited me to ask questions so i asked him everything i could think of at the time and he answered everything very kindly and that and sent me back to try and live life a different way than i'd live to for ok so we're basically talking about some of the troops who came back from  want to talk about the physical healings on this episode and a little bit more about the church you're involved with can you speak more to some of the physical healings that you have experienced or been a part of i know you met in south america did some missionary work there right i have seen miracles of healing happen at the church so i was serving now and i've seen them and other churches but the the big one happened when i went on a mission trip on the amazon and in this small village on the amazon called new wave all asked for and so we were invited to worship with them that evening back american doctors an american nurses and pharmacists i was the only evangelist in the group we saw crippled legs mende and people get up and dance deaf people got their hearing back people with enormously grotesque tumors growing out of their bodies those tumors just shrank up and went away blind people got their sight back and the experience knew that those kind of things could really happen you know you hear about those things and you see on t v but your eyes think well you are right at stage but this was this was the real deal and we talked about it a lot afterwards like that was the most probable suicide most incredible all kinds of feelings the most important healing is spiritual and emotional healing it's far more important than the physical and we should all be you know healing means becoming whole instead of being broken and we should all be striving towards becoming whole people healed people and sometimes it happens like rapidly and we call it miraculous and sometimes it's a matter of doing the work but also all of us are broken and all of us need a lot of healing in our lives and god wants us to be healed and we have a community out there of people that can petition pay and foster that kind of healing with support and therapy and prayer so that i think that's a common misconception too about joining a church group because a lot of people think that you have to be perfect to come the church you have to be cleansed but it's actually the opposite you come you come to change you don't change the calm right so when you can speak more that because christians are by no means perfect and that's what makes the group you know powerful we've all been lean on each other the first time i went to church five i was really afraid to go there i was so nervous because i knew that you know i have a big target on me saying you know i don't buy into this stuff i don't know i don't respect you people i don't know who you are you know i'm a sinner i you know i've done it all i mean you know and i thought that people probably come up and ask me to leave or paris me or mini me and quite the opposite i when i went into the church i came to realize  i'm no worse or better than any of these people this is this is a collection of normal people and the only difference between them the people that are in churches these people are trying to get healed to become whole to have a hospital mile and that's unique yeah you know like that and because it's almost like a group of people imperfect people serving a perfect god and you know we live in a broken world so it's it's really lowers the standards you don't have to be perfect worship and group worship that praying by yourself and meditating that that's good stuff but if you want to feel the real power of prayer and the real power worship you do it and a corporate way where people  enthusiasm if i may do a little word study and theos in god that's what enthusiasm means from the root in god enthusiasm and corporate worship accelerates the whole all up to god including all the ugly stuff in your life you give that over to god that's one thing people don't want people to think they can't come because of that ugly stuff so that's that sadly what they've got it completely backwards the whole point is to give it over to god and god wants us to give perfection or think we're perfect we do want to be the best that we can be but we'll never be perfect as jesus was perfect in this world in the next yeah and that's so before we talk more about the next will how do we alleviate pain here on the earth plane the first thing is to know that pain is a very important part of our lives and none of us are ever going to be free of suffering and pain physical or both goethe mental and physical and so what we have to do is first of all acknowledge that it's trying to tell us something we got a problem and should know it's it's our nervous system something a signal to the brain that there's a problem or it's our brain sending a signal to our nervous system works that way too that there's a problem because emotional pain can make a physical manifestations so we need to ok pains not our enemy it's our friend and then we for help and healing the source of that pain so not a side effect or the not treating symptoms getting right to the source yeah and when we when we take that when we're clear about what saying people have basically gone on to that now and use that as their god in some ways because it's easy to just cover it up by taking a painkiller and sort of going to the source younus part of our materialistic yeah of course so on the other side there is no pain can you speak more about that's what everybody is i mean you know hoping for and wanting yeah people should really think about  the prospect of a life after death because the option is either to go towards god or to be alienated from god and in the life of the nation from god it is what we we as christians believe that if you sincerely confess what you've done and ask god for forgiveness you are forgiven and you can go to heaven and to be an instrument of that process would be spent as such a tremendous privilege for me to be part of that because  yes a cage outdoors they get to do that when the rest of time they're there in their cell by themselves in isolation and they have no privileges they're only allowed to possess one will fit and one small box and if you mention what your quotes was if we knew who walked beside us every day we'd never be afraid again or you said something like that so in other words god is always with us and when you came back from heaven you asked god who are the angels to  come with you or to show their presence every so often because you were quite discouraged and want to come back so do you have that experience from time to time how do you know they're there well after the experience they were pretty much fishing m daily ok and that's all physical form in a physical form and that went on for a long time then those begin to taper off because i was less desperate for their affirmation and i started getting better although i was on was just critical for why for five weeks finally i stood just started healing up and started getting well and but i still feel  be the way he wants to do it and sometimes it's not quite as fast as i'd like and sometimes it's faster than i expected you know he's in control not me you bastard i'm you raise money to build a church in south america and you prayed you prayed to god for that for the money and then how did you raise the money well i just gave it over to god because i had i needed twenty five thousand also and had no idea how that was going to come about and a week later a man came into my church and gave me a check for twenty thousand dollars and told me that god had he didn't know me and i didn't know him and god told him to seek me out and give me the money and he did and then the next day the check came in the mail from another total stranger with five thousand dollars so it's able to fund the church and it got built in nine months and went down for the consecration found out that the bishop of billy's had been praying for that church for over fifty years well so do you think people give god enough credit i mean i think i was a holy spirit answering your prayer because  that the man who had dreams had repeated warnings about giving you this money so god works in mysterious ways absolutely and not a mysterious race but it totally surprising ways to make you like wow you know we i mean this i unbelievable but it just happen yeah that's pretty powerful so do you have lots of stories of answered prayer and different types of when i have lots of stories of answered prayer and i also stories of prayers that don't seem to get answered but maybe the answer wasn't the answer we were looking for and so i mean i guess god has his own ways in which he works but he brings everything together for the good in the end and yeah and that's one of my favorite lunch in the bible rama said twenty eight all things were for gods for good and to know that god hears the prayer and may not get into the way you want but it's going to get answered in god's way ok so when when you came back or when you were in heaven you said you don't want to come back and you you argue with god and you know to not come back to this world right why not well for a lot of it i mean heaven is some much more fun and interesting and enjoyable than this world the other thing was is that this world has were tested every day by evil we're tempted and tested every day and night i don't enjoy that this this world is a struggle i mean people talk about  virtual warfare and we have to be well prepared to meet the challenge and says of this world and jesus told me that was to build build me up and make me strong who who ever became an athlete without exercising and exercise is you know a rigorous strength building well that's what we're here for we're down here to rigorously build our spiritual strength so we can one day use that haven't you know so on that no let's talk to the enemy not that he deserves credit but we can speak to him a little bit i think his biggest trick is deceiving the world into believing that he doesn't exist so can you speak war to how he does that in his impact on believers and nonbelievers alike the world had been dominated by forces of chaos and violence and god put a hedge around that and created a paradise which we rejected a long time ago you mean in the early days  you're talking about adam and eve we said now we want to be like god we don't we don't need god we're going to be our own gods and that was the source of the original sin  the basis of the original sin is to not want to submit to the authority of god there is a higher power and people that go through the twelve step programs whether it's or al anon know that without admitting they are helpless in the face of their addiction and need a higher power they can't begin the process at step one and you can't go to step he found god right in the middle of an a meeting and he wasn't an alcoholic he just went for that experience and he said that more than any church he found god right there in the eight meeting you know that higher power the way like you said they were  helpless in the military the spirit and so that's really powerful well i think that proves that church can be any community where you receive truth and support to towards that healing and so church doesn't necessarily have to be a cathedral like building or a bunch of people pretending to be holier than thou church can be you know a twelve step program that's right or a grief group it's really the power of the group and empowering it's other so how does the enemy attack people in their daily lives you know in today's world other than the obvious i mean how does he kind of weave the big purposes of jesus was to promote the concept that god was our father and and also in the bible talks about god being a mother too so  to put it in politically correct language god is our parent and what parent doesn't love their child i'm a i've got nine grandchildren and i love them just the way they are i'm  much more permissive parent as a grandfather than i was as a parent i think i finally learned a lot after making tons of mistakes with my own children and god is a better parent than a human parent god's passion for us is much greater than the passion of a mother for her baby and that image of a mother with her baby is a universal image of god's love for us that's why we have them and donna and child as the yeah the big theme in the christian tradition but also to another traditions as well but that's very lacking in today's world because people don't know the law of god has for them or or the enemy is deceiving them or they just want to look the other way you find that to be a major impediment i think that is the ma impediment and i think that people can find out whether that's a reality or not by going directly to the source they don't have to go through an intermediary priest or pastor you don't know that i would be happy happy to help them find that they can do that directly if they get they go to the source they'll find out that they are loved by simply asking for it and so it's very late a state of mind set of joining us or in church about what you learned in heaven that maybe we we don't know or that we haven't gotten from our you know earthly life or that we can't find in the bible or in our in our religious walk well as a lot of things for example  god wants the main occupation of every man and woman in this world to be children and the raising of children god hates war god wants a cessation of all war totally in this put god does not want some people to not have the opportunity to have a full life experience you know when when your family is starving to death and i've met people whose family is starving to death it really exists in this world and it's all it's all over the whole world they don't have an opportunity for much spiritual development because they're trying to figure out how to feed their family you know it's massless hierarchy of values you know you got to have every person in this world must have this isn't optional this is what god want every person this world must have food and shelter occupation security and opportunity for education opportunity for employment  if we distributed the resources of this world more equitably that would be so easily done but the problem is greed so greed you're saying that the large concentration of wealth or resources is in the hands of a few and it's getting more extremely in equitable every year that they when you look at the charts of the inequitable distribution of wealth in the world i'm not a communist i'm not suggesting their body make the same but it's it's crazy it's crazy it's a where the world distributes wealth and resources and you think that has to do with the lack of compassion and thus the fruits of the spear they were talking about earlier  age the race is factor anyway you know what when barack obama became president i thought like oh it's going to be under racism point was i stupid and naive right racism seems to be having a great resurgence in our country and in the world it's not just the us it's in italy and spain and germany and norway and denmark and everywhere it's of divided society is also on the religious level right so you know it's religion is dividing people than the race is dividing people so we have so many layers of division you know that are stopping us from all being one which is ultimately what you said god wants everyone as brothers and sisters genetically connected ok well thank you for those profound insights we're to continue this with part three so everybody if you enjoyed this episode stay tuned for next week and we're going to continue with howard stor