hi i'm jason star and welcome to journey into darkness i'm a crime writer screenwriter comic book writer and this is my co host on the co host the host actually of the brian rime movie with a woman for tagging is what we have not had a lot of high expectations for and i was a big fan of girlfight right because on his first note some of her other movies and there's been a lot of buzz about her right in hollywood she's definitely one of the hot directors prop female directors hot directors and and she's also you know tackling crime films and not afraid of darkness that's right for better or worse  film that's like a legitimately dark you know first of all nicole kidman you know we should say it's anyone seen the film and not many people have because unfortunately it hasn't done that well and lotsof has but they probably have seen pictures of nicole kidman you know and she puts on a think just the way she's founder her whole behavior first of all of the movie like basically is about i mean it's a film about a woman cop who in the very beginning of the movie comes to identify a body would you don't you see the body you don't see the person has someone's been shot and killed and we think we're in the present right why don't we give too much away i think we're in the present right and essentially the movie covers like a couple of different time frames right it's it's covering in a part the present when she looks not great so you know that in the time frame she looks older and she's been through something terrible and you and it goes back into the past you see a bank robbery ring here who went to ground for many years he apparently is now back out and he sings or a kind of message that he knows she'll understand and that's what's really need reignited her to like start this investigation because she's obsessed with that's how to marking on the on the body what to sort of her clue into the world that this guy is bad that this guy the bad guys bad guys back and announced again this is her and i thought like what was interesting was in one sense it was an think it was too much to push too hard in the show to john reed bending it to do things to try to like sort of get out the audience that made it you know that sort of to make a statement as maybe a feminist story john bending film or you think that kind of was there's also be the scene where she you know she she's conducting this investigation trying to find this guy and she has to go to one of her old contacts right and there's a of drug dealers and bank robbers for many years ago he's now come out of jail and he said he's dying looks like he has cancer or something right so he's really on his last legs and he has information she wants and he basically says after they have this mean right she could be it's not like well i mean i when i took it i mean at least in part yeah i sort of yes like you see a lot of call movies where obviously when it comes to the cop the male cop is in control and even if they're not as right you know move by harvey keitel and clearly victimizing them right and they were like you know in their teens you know they were like when they were underage or very close to being about it and really you know disturbing on many levels in the sense of what i found very interesting about that scene was you know when you have a male suspect even physically weaker because you see other see another see the movie where she beats the crap out of a big guy so she physically could have like taken this guy she going to beat me maybe tried to beat the information out of the second i would have been kind of cold but he was kind of a scumbag anyway nobody would have really cared in the right hands but it's a male suspect would never ask a male cop you know unless they're less there  character and i thought it was like oh i thought it was a very clever way of making that kind of you know so many john are still is now everyone has seen you know these kind of films and that was a way of injecting and you could call it a statement but it's kind of like within the film i took it as a kind of a commentary you know john meets with the john which was a commentary on all the things we've seen in these kind of films that you wouldn't see if it was all two man involved so it's a bit of a statement but i kind of like that it's kind of like a mad you know here's a director like pulling back and there's screenwriter in the call kidman saying like this is sort of making sort of commentary on these kind of scenes with a little gender twist so you know it's a bit of a bit of a whether it's a bit of a stretch maybe but i like that i sort of like that not too much that it really i kind of and i don't like that sort of comment maybe this is even the whole movie like more provocative than it was disturbing like in  interesting statement right now that was going on in the back of my mind like real where like what she's doing i did you know i agree with that but i but i sort of like that experience is what i'm saying i did feel that it's kind of like she's making a bit of a statement but i sort of like i think there are some other points like even in those scenes like what's like for example when you're just sort of outside like we talked about like that the second high scene the film directors will when they want to see there's a scene where she is takes place right in front of her and she's i think she she doesn't have a weapon yeah definitely but she wasn't prepared for this and this is so basically the heist takes place in a way that's not your typical in that the height the people you know  head but that was supposed to be kind of like it was from her point of view something camera at that point had gone into the bank a lot is going i do not like that i just thank you reminds me of that and you know i'm thinking in the subtext i'm thinking like oh she's lot of times in the movie i'm like almost with the director like i'm thinking about like what decision she's making i don't think i don't think that's just because you know if i'm writing or screenwriting relative i'm just looking at it that way right i just feel maybe she won i'm just way in that scene but that's possible but so maybe what was saying is like when you when you saw it when you see that scene it kind of takes you a little bit out oh not only a bad way writing right it might do that but i kind of like it not all the time in this case the fact that it's sort of like she's a little bit aware it seems all very aware maybe she's doing sort of playing with it a little langley i didn't know where that i kind of like that you know experience which is not to say like once she gets daughter's life before her life in the movie well i think again that's an area where like talking about you know the difference between a male and female portrayal there's just so many films where you know the male cop who's got all the same dysfunctions and problems and as that sceptical male cop she drinks too much she's all screwed up she's down marriage blah blah blah but she does still have a daughter and she's got as who she cares about is not a very not the best mother in the world by any that was another aspect i like about the movie i mean i like billy's about my not mine maniacal cops you know as much as anyone but again i mean you've seen so many of those and most people in any field even if they're all screwed up they have that they have that kind of when they go into the bank you just have a feeling something it's not that they're even evil someone gets nervous in the bank someone panics literally if the people in the bank and that seen it done exactly what the criminal said nothing would have gone  the you know the question is is it the darkness of the movie that you know i think there's a difference between movies that are psychologically dark like this one are bad with tennant which didn't see that many movies these big budget this is relatively when i see a big budget with a big star in the media and the main role is it didn't make any concessions to likeability yeah i don't know the whole savings character was definitely at work but they're very nice to their little girl their little kid if they have a kid or something like that here she wasn't even considering a good mom she's strong and she fights for their daughter and so they don't they didn't make any concessions and i think that's what hurt yeah i think i like that aspect some sort