which is with john launching that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m s i the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years but after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about  i'm going to give you a very brief schematic overview of life in the spirit and i don't want you to confuse that with life in the church building or church in that's the way a lot of this comes down is i'm not going to be telling you what's in doctrine i'm going to tell you what i have seen like i've seen this lady with the red top on this yellow and the fellow here at the blue top on and a lady with gray hair i will tell you what i seen in you may or may not see it that way when you travel there because you may have color blindness or maybe i do so i'm just going to present the information to you show you how a lot of the inner works together and then you have to realize that it's a lie it's not meant to be a lie and i'm really attempting to tell you the truth but as soon as you talk about the invisible in terms of anything you can relate to in this world you just got to know that it's wrong however if i if i don't tell it to you and in one seminar i was in a person ask me about the invisible realms of light and i just said ok next question and she said why won't you answer that and i said well because i don't think you can get it she said give me a chance and i realized that i had judged her ability to pick up what i couldn't say so i said ok and i told her i told the whole group when i got through it was amazing how they had grasped the invisible and i knew at that point that the spirit had been talking to them not my lips or my  and some of them later on showed me things that they had written down that didn't relate to what i said but i said that's there that's in that place and i said the only way you could know that is that you went there and you saw that and they said i was having this strange experience i felt like i was going to fall out of a chair or something so i really took notes to start drawing to keep me here and i really see a little bit but i didn't listen a great deal the so i would say this to you don't listen a great deal but the same time i don't like to speak to people who are believers who if you say something they just believe i think too many of us have been walking the line of being a fool by just being a believer i like to have people bring their critical faculties in with them i like you to bring your mind your intelligence everything that you know that you've heard you've been exposed to i like you to bring it in here because in a seminar we just use what we know and some of you are going to hear things that's going to be real new to you others of you you're going to hear things that you already knew but you didn't know that anybody else knew a little validate it for you in other information i'm going to tell you you'll know some of it and some of it will be strange peculiar to you and some of you are going just think this is loony tune time and it is loony tune time for the simple reason is that what we see physically is reflected light you see me because i am reflecting light in spirit you see because the light is shining itself so the spirit world is in the sense backwards from this world if you look in a camera limbs been adequately explained to us like people said no that's right side up and this is upside down and we learn the difference we find out that we'll put it together and we spend many many years learning how to walk because we're having a difficult time reference seeing this physical world in the body that is seeing in the spirit world a few years ago some psychologist took glasses they put on it and they reversed the vision from the right to the left eye and then put upside down so if they tried to go right they had to go left and when they tried to reach down for something they had to reach up and they were having the hardest time and i was watching this experiment i said that's what it's like to be spiritual and that's why when you go on a spiritual path people think you crazy and if they don't think you're crazy they'll think you're nuts and if they don't think it does they'll think you're loon and if they don't think you're loony they'll think that you're insane but they got in that category it's called you know good in your corrupt however it's all cultural because if we were in india and we were doing that they'd build a great big temple an ash room for us and we wouldn't have to wash or put on clothing and we could go and just sleep or we want to and eat what we want to get out walk away when we want to and people think that's wonderful because you'd be a holy man now we do that here in they put you in jail because you're a vagrant or a bum if you walk around naked they think you're flashing people so you just can't do those things so this is a lot of culture ation that goes into what i'm talking about here now somebody told me that down in texas that lot of the people were rednecks listen i didn't know what a written it was i first i was down here i looked around their base next and some of them did and they and they told me that they were farmers and i said well they had to rednecks where i grew up to them because you know when you're out in the field farming you back your neck gets red and they said well the rednecks they're talking about carried rifles in the back windows of their trucks and i grew up we carried rifles in the back window hard trucks too so i thought i was home and then i started listening to them talking and i realized that the people had a very difficult different statement point of view that no amount of proof was going to change and they said that's a redneck so i don't want you to think that i'm a redneck because i'm going to be stubborn and my point of view is it's not stubbornness just determined so depends on how you want to look at this to see what it's like the consciousness but i worked with that works to me is called the mystical traveler and if i were to write that out every time i say it pretty soon you'd get tired of waiting for me to write it out so we abbreviate it just that empty mystical traveler and i'm going to do an awful lot of this was the go along in by time i get to some degree v a shows they're going to represent no no words in our industry language but i'd like to let you know and one person said you should put periods in there more often or explain that ahead of time and i like to take feedback from people when they tell me how i can do a better job so i thought that i would tell people have times hear the words or go sound like i'm swearing but i'm really not then i thought gee no that's really the time where i can swear in public and get away with it if we're looking at the world of spirit and we label it but when you get in that realm of spirit and you start to ask somebody is this such of such they may not answer you in terms of that if you go to south america and you ask somebody do you believe in jesus christ what do you think they will say hey soused crystals not jesus christ so they won't believe what you're talking about so you have to really watch that we're not really saying the same thing but we're saying it with a different accent a different inflection a different approach and we're really coming down the same line so don't let the vocabulary get anyway don't let the cultural get a new way i really just go for the heart like a lot of these other groups go for the judge giving i want your heart to come open because i found that when your heart opens you'll have wisdom as a byproduct of liking and loving then you get intelligence then out comes the wisdom and from that comes the knowledge of how to do it again i'm still working on knowledge because i haven't been able to do the same lecture twice in twenty five thirty some years now so the information keeps shifting around because whoever's in the audience will influence how i'm going to be saying whatever i'm going to be saying and it takes a little bit time for the spiritual energy i work with to go around through the room and gather up all your little scraps of paper that you've written your notes on in your mind and bring them up and then they file them through it and this is what i'm doing is now called delaying let's just start down here and i won't do it very slowly this will be the physical level physical level always will be that that you see by reflection that to just see by reflection right above this is an astral level person ask me why do they call it astral and that's when you get there ask them it's like why do they call the city austin will say it's because it was named after a man well maybe it was named after a man when you get up in these levels you find out the everybody's experience is the truth for them and because all of us have experiences here the different there are a whole lot of truths masquerading around but there's really only one truth  that i will agree with here with you today it's this one notice that that doesn't care what you think it'll just keep doing that till i get tired it's an imperial truth from whatever point of view we look at it holds up and maintains a self in that type of truth takes place on these other levels also this level here is the c causal level means cause and effect because of this here's the effect in this actually is where the lord of the lower realms reigns out holds reign over all the other realms because this is where everything comes out even though there are realms above it which we call the mental and there isn't a theory clever which is conscious psychologically and above that there is a soul and above that there is what we call the god realms interestingly enough in the bible there are two references made to the realms here and the realms here and they have after they references were made the later of disciples the apostles made him seem the same but there was a real fine differentiation when jesus said the kingdom of heaven is a ham he was saying something else when he said i go to the kingdom of god these are the heave and those are also what we call the psychic material worlds above the physical these are all psychic things and let's take the soul out of that the kingdom of god  is above that and it's interesting that when jesus was referring to those two things he made a very definite differentiation and once you understand the well don't worry i did this with a bunch of ministers from various like baptists and pentecostal bent jellicoe in i said well when jesus was talking some he didn't he say the kingdom of heaven is within him they said yes and i said within jesus i said well ok too is it then jesus but did he also refer it to be anybody else he says well it was in it was in everybody there is an inside the people they said they were to say the father was he said well the father is in heaven this is so where is the father and they said well inside of jesus i said and who else they said in the people there and they said now was that bible just written for the people there it's  is a pam and it finally started getting to them the kingdom of heaven is a hand and the kingdom of heaven is inside and the father is in heaven and one of them told  on he says we're having a real revival and everybody puts their hands up in the air to god he said i felt like such a hypocrite and this is why i said because i want to put my hands over here and say here's god i said why did you do that he said that kicked me out of church i said why so be false doctrine is a false doctrine says no he says the false doctrine is this other thing he said there's nothing that says says well i said how about the part where it says and i lift my nies into the hills where my salvation comes he says well that's in the psalms and those are allegorical a lot and i said fine but is there anything else he goes nuts don't take it just because i tell you but go read your book now reading the book reveals is the kingdom of heaven in the kingdom of god and when jesus said when i go to prepare a house for you there i go you can come also and if i am lifted up you'll be lift up also was talking about the heavens here all of them including this physical level here because it's inside of this physical level now it gets very difficult to explain to somebody how that's in there and you don't know it but the same thing can be explained of how something still bothering you from when you were six years old and you don't know it but under guidance therapy of some kind it comes up and you go that's it and it goes away and whatever is bothering you goes with it so there's there's a lot of evidence from modern day science and i'm convinced that god put science on the earth just to make the religionists be humble because of their religion to start to state why it is a scientist going to see if that's true but if we're really being religious which means to be realigned with god the source then we're being a scientist because in the way you get to realign yourself is to stop the belief in the nonsense and what people say and think and find out for yourself a real simple process but people won't tell me what to do tell me how to do it and do it for me well if that's what it's going to be why waste the time telling you i'll just do it for you but then people say no i want to know s this when they go no no then you go back then they tell you backwards what it was you told them forwards so you might just as well let them say it backwards to the and agree that it's the same thing that said forward few people are smart enough to realize that if you say it one way and you say it the other way you can interlock those with change them and you have the same type of information but what happens is out of this mental cause a level comes a thing called the ego the ego can sustain itself without visual representation which comes out the astral realm and the astral realm can't maintain a self that a physical body which uses the mind to get the information which comes out of the or unconscious level now you understand why psychotherapy has a very hard time clearing the problems is a very hard time and so what they do now is they're going in they give you chemicals to take in your body there is a way through the physical level into the heavens there's a way into the physical level to get to the heavens now one of the ways first one is prayer praying if you said would you might get me a glass of water that's a prayer now if you could get god to respond the way you can somebody get you a glass of water you're if it prayed effectively called i want it now the second way to poor well let's write these up because some of you might forget i was wrong it was it was like the praying mantis approach i said you know you must pray an awful lot and these people were giggling and i finally looked over and i realized that i had the worst or maybe i have a spelled wrong now now you have to go home and look up a new dictionary and i do i do that a lot because it sometimes gets to be the most fun because while you're looking for prayer you might find something else new you don't know bible has a very interesting thing if you're a christian there's one thing you must do to prove you're christian pray seizing lee what does the word seizing lee mean if you don't stop as a matter of fact even when we're not in our mind praying for something we're walking prayer i have ever been walking down the street for something or walk into a house for something and somebody gives the thing you add in your mind and you didn't ask and you wonder how did they know and they say i don't know i just knew so that prayer was answered but we have a strange thing called only god can answer prayers now how many of you by rays of hands of found that somebody thank god i am if you don't have to thank me because it's rich raining it's my roof to get wet of course i'm going to give it to you but let's give credit where credit is due and the thank god that he was working with me to have the money to give it to you well they don't want to do that so what we have is a lack of integrity in communication and we sit there thinking why don't you just ask just ask for me we need the money give us it's raining they have to remember that when noah started build the ark it wasn't raining so prayer is is is really one of the most fundamental ways to talk to god the second one is meditation put my back to not just do the any deep period meditation meditation lot of people say what's meditation it is listening you mean that i have to study with you for two years before i can be initiated and i've been meditating for twenty years that's what least two years depends on how bad you messed up the meditation and they take a lot longer because why we're not we're not doing that we're doing something a little bit different the third one here would is taken an object in it could be a material object and really becoming one with that until you become absorbed by it or it becomes absorbed by you at that point when you pray you ask god when you meditate you listen and when you're contemplating it you're thinking about what it was you heard and how you going to work that doing praying meditating and contemplating as you walk down the street talking to himself he's doing all of those things the one thing he's not doing a soul travelling because if he were still travelling he would not find it necessary to do either one of these so the fourth one this is what we do in the movement week we call it spiritual exercises  and ease because one day i was listening to my attorney talking to his associate was attorney and he said did you do us these ses and that to me is like sleep night's rest last night that was now doing subtextual information make believe i knew what he was talking about by thinking that i did and i said what are you talking about he's a spiritual exercise you know s e and that's who clever why didn't i think of that is because i think of spiritual exercises something different they'll sleep in disease we're getting too close to this so i make sure that i don't want to get my mind information confused because the rest my body is going to start following it you get confused thinking going on and you start to do confused things and dumb things and you get in trouble so this is there's the moon realm the lightning realm and the sun room before you get into the astral realm and because those are so bright we think we've had a high spot lot of the devas come out of these lower realms because the interfacing invisibly into the earth plane it doesn't take an awful lot for you to be sitting looking at a tree and pretty soon the tree will start to change and take on another type of form and if the more you just gaze and let go of your critical perception it's like staring into space you can start to pick up the forms now here's another one that's fun for you how many there were set in a room where they've done plastering and you sit your gaze at the plaster and the more you just gaze at it starts to take on a form of some kind they may have done that you are practicing looking into the lore asked around you're practicing looking into it because as soon as you take an critically focus the eyes on the physical realm this other part of you gives up now here's the real trick how do you gaze and still keep walking because most people while they're gazing into the forget everything else is going on and are teachers called daydreaming and they say cut out the daydreaming in what they really should be saying right on the paper what you're seeing in the day dream and then the then you start to get some real interesting information or drop what you're seeing and then we're doing the real true education edge of car a call from the land call call forth from you what you know because it's already in there we just haven't got it channeled in a way where we can get it out here into the world and deal with it now we have a problem here in this world called trying to get the light of the christ from the kingdoms of heaven down to the physical world and out here so people can know we're lovely and wonderful why else would you want to have the christ action in the world so people would adore you and put you on a pedestal love you and worship you and all that type of stuff it's got to be the wrong approach but why else do people do it well i would do it to be of service than are you of service well you know i work eight hours a day services twenty four hours a day eight days a week three hundred sixty five days a year three hundred sixty seven days a year instead that idea service a service doesn't have time on it nor any kind of qualifications it's whatever well therefore we say i would like it then to have it come through on sundays not have a church service or i'll have a come to when we have a miracle healings service we have a hard time getting it through now it's interesting could jesus had a similar type of problem but backwards his came to so fast he had a hard time keeping it back in and when he would walk amongst the people they would have these experiences called they would have spontaneous healing evil some of the disciples when they walked the the sun shining through the body cast a shadow the shadow cast itself on a person is sick in the person got well by the force that came to on the shadow that's got to be pretty powerful i mean how waive you have cast your shadow on people and they in the power that's that we're talking about here and yet that very same power that was in the disciples if we want to believe what's in the bible as a kind if we want to believe then we have to also believe the part  jesus said this that i do you to show do and even greater because i go into the father either you told the truth or a lie feel i don't want any more scripture and if you told the truth you better get busy and start doing what he said but how many people are going to get busy do what he said well no because what will people saying think if i start to become holy roller and holy john and all you them valid and after all i'm a boy i'm a i'm a born again live holy spirit filled fundamentalist bible thumper what is the words they used to describe these are people who don't have and they want you to think they do so they trump up all the words and lay him out and they don't even spell them correctly in the grammar is really poor i don't mean not grammar because i do that all the time because i think i have good grammar good information but sometimes you have to throw out the grammar book to communicate and then later on i go and find out how to say it correctly the mystical traveler consciousness works in this area the kingdom of god that's what works that's its prime well we can say god is a being in which there is no other being greater that you can think of if you can think of one then you didn't have the right god to start with it's other one that you can think of but then if you can think of it that's not that god because the god you can think a still too short there's an interesting book called your gods too small i was lecturing on persons god being too small and they sent me the book and i read the book it was what i was talking about and i thought gee this author smart and then i realized that when you're dealing with spiritual information there is no mystery now is a very interesting thing jesus said just disciples we've been given a parable and they come up to him they said can you explain to us the parable he says it's not for them to know the mysteries but unto you the mysteries of the kingdom of god are given what's the mysterious about that now that you know it you still won't do it so he was showing them a method by which they could now that method we call the bible refers to it as the word the word but do you think the word was a word if it was a word and it might have been etc with that be a good one because that means that whatever else shows up after that i'm talking about that also but they're really talking about  going on the words of vibration and if you get the right vibration in your word then those words become holy if you ever see somebody who has the holy spirit if you're hurt somebody says i'm full of the holy spirit would you like to know they lie because something this holy spirit spelled holy not sacred h o l y but they are entirely spirit you know why you don't see the holy spirit when it shows up because you don't use spiritual vision so what  use is the next thing that you can to sense the invisible and most of us use our feelings or our emotions so then when we feel our motions we quit it to body energy right how do you know if i'm feeling emotions here if i don't show it you can't tell if i go i'm so tired you say well your body slumped i say it's been a real hard day they go might be dejection of depression so we're starting to interpret body language from the emotions to infer the emotional quality by putting mental things upon them do stand that religion isn't easy because most of the time we're things on people that are wrong and you know the bible knew that you know what it said because it knew we were going to be doing that and he said judge at least you be judged if you haven't judged anybody raise your hands you know sidle raise my neither so i'm still working on it but other people who are said to ending up raising hell with everybody else are judging them no it wouldn't  nice if it stand up mores heaven love to have somebody to stand up then go right out here lay i have an i go just hop me on that flying whatever you gotta go with you and i don't care how you drive  how much i have to pay in the five falloff just swoop down and pick me up and keep me going yet the very process of judging someone is anti christ consciousness and how do you know that you are my disciples that you do love one another so if you love somebody do you really write and say bad things about him but if they falter you study them if they're doing something that isn't helping their growth you pointed out to him then you what you have to do all you have to let him fall in the hole get dirty then they go boy if you fall in that hole you'll get dirty say right well i told you there was a hole there and you'd fall in it and you decide you want to do that now will tell people all sorts of good advice and they will follow what have you ever noticed that they do what we say when they have bad luck i told  i hope you got what you asked for and we're gleefully happy that their have no such a bad time because after all if they had listened to us they would have had it but then you couldn't have anything to gloat over if they had t fallen so they're helping you feel righteous and non christian at the same time now i have my own little pet peeve i've been on this now for about six months because when i was talking to a lot of people they kept saying well which denomination are you well what difference does it make and they said well but if you're not and they start listening baptist fundamentalist evangelical charismatic presbyterian i didn't know there were so so i thought if he can say it well but he got crucified so i realize these people weren't any mood to laugh i shut up but i think this whole thing of sectarian naming has got to be one of the best things to divide people so they fall the nate thing i know about because they all saying we're praying to the same man were worshipping the same lord but if you're not doing it my way you're wrong and i'm going to prove it to you by taking this book called bible i call the misunderstood book and i'll prove it to you and they'll take this the scripture layed out and i'll take the same one and prove it to them but there is wrong and i have a lot of people challenge me on that i'm not a bible scholar folks i'm not even a good english scholar but if you want to about  i tell you about that i don't know about the devil you know i don't keep company with him i mean i've heard minister say the devil just come in a blue out my lights on here and i think why it checked overload on your cameras what i mean there's a lot of simple practical things to do but why did you have to put that on the devil i mean he could have said folks we need more wiring better wiring for this building we need more money so we get this fixed so we don't have to deal with this the devil he gets to rant and rave for a lot longer and the devil trying to stop us now i know for sure the devil walked in this room with converting into a loving person because if it came in i would get angry with him because that's what he's supposed to be doing right making everybody angry and hateful spiteful revengeful vindictive and all the bad things then why do that to him if he comes in he goes i got you you know why he doesn't because we're just into this loving and caring and sharing and nurturing he hangs outside by your cars somebody said i think you preached the doctrine of the devil i said it here means that in a book he says right here in the pick up the bible and i said bass not the doctrine of the devil but you're not preaching the doctrine in here i said well you know it says in there that not all the doctrines in there because that's just another one of your  contain it you're right you're right i said i'm reading the stuff from the other books because you're not going to get away with that and i said oh yes i am i'm going to get away with it he said why and i said because you don't know which page i'm on and which book be civil which page are you on so that you do love one another that you love god with all your body mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself and those are the great commandments and everything else is a commentary he said you got this thing down don't you and i says i don't have to have on the blood over the blood on the cross off the cross or anything else because that's what you do after the fact i said i think it's really fine for those who do that i think it's fine if you've got to do that in a build you up watch wrong with that i saw philip today out running around the hotel we're staying in and i could've said look at that crazy guy except he needed to do that to wear off the fat or maybe he need to do it to raise it to the cardiovascular system and get in condition maybe he need to do it to get away from his wife i mean he could have a lot of reasons that i don't know about but i know one thing to he was running around the block and i know he did it three times because i saw him go by three times was that all he did folks i don't know you see i didn't watch the others i don't know and that honesty of not knowing when you don't know is something that allows you to walk very free inside of you but if i said oh i know i either got to make it up pretend or try to get you to believe it matter you get to there's nothing you can do with it anyway there's nothing the only thing that we can really do with anything we hear anywhere is to do the great commandments love god with all your body mind and soul and then to love your neighbor as yourself what's implication to love your neighbor as yourself what's the implication in that statement to love yourself first and how do you want to be i don't want to be treated like how some people love themselves you know the golden rule do unto others as you have done to you i don't want to be done to me like they're going to do it to me i'd rather have it done to me like i want it done so that makes sense to any of you you know how i want i want a loving and i want it with clean clear direction and i want to opportunity to grow and to experience and to live my life and if i slip and fall i like you to be there to at least lay in the mud with me why so we can laugh together because if i'm in the by myself you're going to laugh at me and i'm going to feel bad so to treat your neighbor as yourself means if i'm having a bad time you don't pick on me can you understand that when the kingdom of heaven is a hand that we're all equal in god's  of heaven is is that amazing and we're talking about soul transcendence to the kingdom of god and why does why do we teach this a proof of a member who is in the garden the guest semele they came to arrest him judas was to kiss him on the cheek and there was one disciple who took off running and she fell off from him and he ran away naked what was he doing why did somebody write that in there because jesus was doing initiation but they did according to the ancient ritual of going into submersion to validate john's teachings john the baptist to come forward into the new light of the sound the love of god here's another good one for you in the garden it gets so many how do we know that jesus said those things because he came back he said all of you people are asleep who wrote the information down what do you think he was doing there while he was also pray by the way you know when you said that so be here saying the lord's prayer that wasn't the lord's prayer that's the prayer of the disciple but nevertheless i will be done in between is lot of words i left out as a lord's prayer that one boy if you can say get taken away few can but if not give me the strength to goal through to the end that's a terrific prayer isn't it when we were born out of this god realm down here we were born as a whole complete soul you know something it's perfect that soul is perfect there heard people say the soul is not perfect they haven't seen one they haven't the soul is perfect it is made in the image of god it is perfect you know if you ever heard the people talk about twin souls and all that there isn't one this who say god is your twin soul but the mystical travel is actually your twin soul soon as you connect to that you go wow i feel complete in a hole and i got i understand what it is and i'm not looking back i'm just straight forward because now you don't have to fear more worry about something because the complete homeless is there when you feel completely whole you don't worry it's when you're not feeling completely whole that you worry and when you do something that you make some success in your not complete whole you feel like an impostor who got someplace without really doing it on merit well who on earth ever got anywhere on merit you  you type you say yes then you go home and study like mad soon learn to type so you get the job people say that's a lie only if you want to call it a lie because the other way is saying that you look and claim in fa what's definition of faith you're asking for the unseen and claiming it prior to its appearance so i can take that now and say i can type as a statement of faith and go home and type but you see we call that a lie on the one hand and but then we moved over to the religious circles we call that exercising our faith but if you go over here you exercise they call you pathological liar what is it for heaven's sakes faith without works is dead and if it's dead it's a lie so exist physically for you when you get to that spot and you were just calling up before you got down the road and some of you saying what a lucky call because what if i'd gone on another road then that faith doesn't count in the astral realm in the repositories of the mind imagination there are so many answer prayers that it would blow your mind of the junk that is up there news refrigerators that didn't get down here there's cars didn't get down here and cars and and hospitals and fund raising events and marriage isn't soul mates and twin souls and in twin ray ray souls and souls with places and what i mean it's just junkie up there but if you put it up then you didn't get it guess what you got a clean you have to clean your creation your gods god is responsible for his creation what you create you're responsible for because the soul is keeping the inventory perfectly and we're not keeping it perfectly here because we don't have the record for keeping the perfection of it but the soul does now for the souls perfect why is it here because it is not experienced it is gaining this experience of this level of god's creation or if we want to say it in this body of the christ if we want to say another way in the christ body that we're now occupying and we can say about a lot of ways and folks is going to come out the same thing in experience and we've gained experience of you knows that we don't do a lot of those things that we've experienced we say no i don't say those things in public because i get beat up i say these things in public that's why jesus taught the mysteries in the secret because if he took it out the public they'd go after him can you understand that if you start to tell people some of the things i've been telling you they're going to run you down that's why i have a plane out of here a couple days when they come looking for my sake come on down to headquarters and they do they get in there they say you know it's amazing there's so much love and there's so much freedom and charity nurturing what do you do you say well you see there are two great commandments to love god with your body mind and soul and your neighbor as yourself and right now we're busy loving our neighbors and taking care of them because if we do that then we also have love god who we can't see because god resides in us and that great spirit where we think we know it all and we're still learning john rogers closing where it's where they shan't which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i e dot au argy or write to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for joining us if we were to look beyond what the land that is referred to in present day in as israel and knowing that at various times has been referred to by other names depending on who was governing the land we would find that violence is not an unusual occurrence i would look at violence as a choice that is not necessary and you know it's often referred to as an eye for an eye a tooth for tooth that that's the law the law calls for an equal and just return act and you know i love to quote from from the violence and negativity of the people in particular and in israel and when you consider that if they're there of the jewish faith of the christian faith of islamic faith i'll claim the same father abraham so what is this this is a fight amongst brothers and sisters of the same family but the same lie and certainly there are differences and those differences the way i look at them are on purpose that we all have differences and they're not unusual so we don't have to apologize for our differences or or defend them what we need to find out is how to to get along with our differences and it's important that in our way each of us consider them what goes on in the world that we would at least put some light