we want you know we need that to be as for filling as all the other pieces of our life to wo assessment so for those who are just joining us for the first time like two point zero community is really  about taking this effect at look at your life that new life you're transitioning into with thinking about defining it i in terms of who you are now taking your talents your skills and all those dreams that you perhaps put on the shelf because the time was never right and make this now the second part of your life a life that's truly purposeful we talk about using passions and talents as a guide to your purpose so we're going to be just introducing guests and even grown it to different levels in the interior design ok area so while come and thank you sabrina if you jammy a lawyer and i want you to talk a little bit more about your transition and your evolution within that within my bit i would say your business so as you mentioned i studied interior design and i started working in a large manhattan company where i did construction and architectural but more commercial work at a very young age i decided to have children and i couldn't really juggle that career and raising kids so i decided to start my own business working from home and initially it was a small business where i could do custom window treatments a little bit of consultation and still be a mother which was my priority at the right being in business now for twenty nine years  has transitioned and so has my clients of her and i first started my business a lot of my clients were young like me and in the twenty nine years i'm still working with clients and i can see that they are transitioning life right and what's happening to their lifestyle so it's kind of nice when you work with clients who went to their big homes and now they're downsizing their homes and trying to figure out what their next step is lyra life and they're calling me up still when i had to come and help transition so that is the evolution of my business and also when i first started my business it was called interior image and now it's now been rebranded to soul scape interiors and the reason for that is because i really do believe that your home is a reflection of your soul and the older we get the more we really want to step into what that means right and therefore i really felt the rebranding was a way of communicating that so i'd say ok because i think you know when we talk about i like two point zero one and in some of the programs that we do we look back and we do a reflection and we talk about value and things because you change you change over time and so it's only natural that if you're changing your home should change because it should be as you said it should be a reflection as oprah says it should rise up to greet you when you rock in the door so all those should be a part of growing life two point  but i know that there is a little story behind the name soul scape with how you grew up and how you feel how wide this whole in this creating this space that's truly who you are is important to you like your big why my big why my big why i'm one of ten children there was twelve of us that grew up in a three bedroom apartment i could imagine right and so what happens is i lived with a tremendous amount of chaos a lot of clutter and it was just because there was so many of riley right laundry alone right or as i never told it in writing really compliant if you could imagine so what happened with me as i started to as i went out made friends and i really started to evaluate how they lived near in what made a home more inviting their homes yeah you know and it really is about the people that live in the home  and so i began to look at what were those elements that great someone feel very welcome brian to summarize home right and all those that transition is what made me begin to implement the principles that i like to use rather design and many of them is to release a lot of the clutter on a who you are and then all the principles of basic design right right that really begin to implement but really so skate is about the energy of the her home ok i am really reflecting what that means because it's true i mean you know when you walk into a home without you know if people were sometimes saying or thing or even going beyond a few steps you do get a vibe all immediately about someone's home and sometimes it's like why they lie with the per second level there are sometimes not necessarily so but you know again living in a home that's your family and your personality i guess and when we transition into this two point zero life of ours and sometimes we stay stuck oh yeah and what we had you know twenty years carrie years ago and so we almost don't really know where to go from there perfect point man i so sometimes it's really about sitting down with an interior designer because even the concept of all i'm going to hire an interior designer is frightening to zajac people especially as they get older they don't want someone coming in and then you know setting their intention right on to their home so they don't quite understand how the process work i don't really understand it and finding the right person that can help you in that transition is important and in many aspects i mean whether it be to reinvent a room with because you're empty nesters yeah what do you know that all hands bedroom you know or i had a client right now who was taken in her mother and she actually built in addition to her house and it became a mother daughter home and it was her mother's private entrance private kitchen little kitchen little bedroom a little living room but she was in her home right so there is a transition memories i would imagine that's a hard part like you know i don't want to let go of that because this reminds me of whatever whatever so it's not dumping those memories but making people realize we're keeping yeah you keep those memories you're not giving that away but you also open yourself up to create new memories yeah but i i i do think that getting rid of the clutter his soul important but you know there is a psychological part to getting rid of the clutter there is pain yeah behind that right so we have to go there understanding that we will feel pain right because the longer we own something when we go to get rid of that the more pain we feel believe it or not it's scientifically proven right ok so to go into it knowing this is going to hurt think you know i find that when the kids leave we are the ones who get stuck with all their stuff oh my god my son's room is like a closed so never use so why don't you just get rid of yeah yeah yeah so one of the things that i did a few years back i got three boxes and you can decide what size that boxes i got really pretty boxes and i stain them and i have three kids and so as i started to declare my home right i'm getting rid of papers and letters and all report card on and whatever was really important i stuck in that box ok didn't fit in the box it went away that's a really cold air and search right now my kids have not taken the three boxes i still own the i didn't save every one of the really really just nice minimalize it understand that it's only this amount ok and then get rid of the rest ok i think what i have to do is also say home down getting rid of things that you don't really need to keep and keep in the precious things let's talk about like things that we should honor you know one of the principles i like to talk about is release and honor and right when we're going through that clutter ok you know that birthday card that my daughter gave me when she was seven yeah she just started to learn how to write and director and an honor yes yes i'm going to say that wri if i if i got an award when i was in school right still want to honor that as well i have a picture of my great great grandmother who's i was one hundred two had on she or her way while i'm going on here so it's really about  pulling out those things that really mean something to you and then of course placing them in such a way that if someone comes into my home they can just look around and know what i honor o becoming much more minimalist right exactly we really have to know what exactly do we really honor i had a client whose house burned down and i said terrible when the house was burning down what did you take and she said you know it's funny because i knew all the current pictures were on my computer and they want shutterfly but i ran around the house and got all the old pictures that's what i grabbed because i knew i couldn't replace them a gray so it's really simple what things as a business owner there are lots of things you're afraid of there are lots of things that you down to yourself on but you were telling me take out all your awards and take out all the things that you did in your past life and honor those i had them in a box you know just and when i look at those i think what i could do that you know i should honor that like you said and i thank you for that because all times we forget right or and that's i think a great thing to remember still do that as it is now till more for me to accomplish and yeah and that love that was so powerful love that i have a client who was an artist when she was much younger and then she went into the business world and now she is no longer in the business world and she's like well what do i do when i say well what's your passion what do you love and she says well thirty years ago i was an artist well let's make a room when you're on your art work again where you can go out and get your canvas and you can begin to express part of us yes i love that so let's talk a little bit about you know trying to as a life two point zero journey and trying to recreate those things that meant something to us now that we have maybe a little bit more time to think about it and were not driven by the the job and their families and their responsibilities the heavier responsibilities of when we were younger like how would we take a space give us a little bit of a example of taking a break free a the horse now something that's more meaningful at this stage of law i think one of the first thing you want to think about is how do you begin to plan your transition so if i work if i'm working with someone who for instance is transitioning from a big home into a fifty five community sometimes they want to get rid of everything because it just doesn't fit right and if that's the case what's their style right who are they now had or i  here so it's really about a process maybe they could start making pinterest boards up right stuff that they like maybe there are some travels someplace is that right into that they want to express that personality but more importantly it's about  lifestyle i think as we get older we don't want to have a lot of stuff we don't want to be cleaning the house we want it to be simple so that i also i envision my home being very child friendly i want my grandchildren r those are all calls those hard to pull yeah yeah and i know you brought us some pictures of a before and after space because sometimes we think of reinventing the space only on the interior of the home like you've brought a lot of the times we have what's called dead space and so i brought these pictures because i want you to see how this was a outdoor room ok where you come out of the family room and it's really dead space and we transformed it into because part of it is carrying wanted to open up the flow ok rb i need to go up stairs and down stairs and really the energy flow through the space and i really do feel if you see the after picture you'll see how much that space  so i really look at the space that we're using let's not have any dead space in the home space is that energy ok really blocks the flow of life so by opening everything up i mean i just took down a swing set for my kids i had a swing set a big swing in my backyard and i've had it for like fifteen years and hasn't been used but you know here is my good right i finally said to my husband take it down that they're right and you know i totally felt different different back yard opening it up and now i'm ready to go in there and plant some hostas ryann some flowers and really give it life yes but here's another example of something that was meaningful to me yes because that that was my  absolute and but it was time when time tonight new life what you were talking about because i know and part of what we also talk about is the things that are new you and what's so important for us now is sometimes just to have those few quiet moments or that transition one of my bedrooms and i do work from my home and i have an office but i say i transition this room and i have a guest bedroom and i put a spin bike in there because i wanted to get more exercise and i put a mat down because i wanted to meditate and i put a desk in there because i wanted to use it as writing space and i realize it was too much going on in that space i want everything in that space and i wasn't using it because it really wasn't enough space for me to thought and i use it now to go in there and i use it to just meditate exercise and it had a different kind you take should now because it was more physical body ok rather than work and body said for i don't know how many times i'm going to redo my my office and i realize why my office really it's my private space it's my space where people go my husband says i purposely keep stuff on it so  is this is not i but this is not mean that you are now not who i am now so i won't when i really do it it's going to be lighter colors it's going to be softer it's go furniture that is yeah i'll invite people that was funny but it's going to be our whole different side of me yeah so i get what you're saying i can give you a tip to that ok the most important thing i want you to think about when my desk and my back are actually back to the word went out and ok and my husband says you had a few but when i'm working i don't want that view but where you see my chair where i am at night my chir allows me to see that deal because that's your little sad nearly right for me i need to see i'm not a bitch person but i need to see words and if i had a lake that would be perfect but that's the best for part of rest fall ok now look at something that's clutter write something rice you know write somebody people piles of bills so that if you look at the bills you don't want that negative energy right here long as you look out the window you have something positive to refresh y green actually dilates your eyes and makes you more restful ok so green is a great color for an office where as if you have an office that's yellow it could be irritating all right and you know you can find yourself being so the thing about color and the psychology of color when you're writing right off so in the last few minutes that we have any tips that you can share with our viewers as to how for them to start thinking now in this next you know in this life two point zero phase of their life i maybe they should start looking at this this this and what the first step i'm going to tell them is really asked for advice because i find that sometimes we're in our own head yes and it's better to bounce ideas off of someone who writer who's coming at you with a new perspective and so i think that's that's a great advice and really saves you money in the long run writing home that you don't make costly mistakes and i actually work for people before they get their new home so that they don't bring all the clutter and they don't bring to a new space so planing is crucial ok right plan plan plan i do work with my five principles of releasing an style they want to live with dry right now we seem to have a lot of this what i call born she yes restoration hardware but if someone else tells me i want to be like pottery barn so that you could have peace arise from the right companies i'm not saying they're there i don't know i don't want to just mimic a magazine that really doesn't have a whole so really understanding your style working with proportion and understanding that aspect understanding color the psychology of color the fashion of color don't get you know color right now is believe it or not the soft pink in the soft blues many people are going to go out and redo their home  know right right be careful about a fashion right really find the colors that work for you that you want really to live with us and if you implement some of those principles i really do think that your next life is going to be home that you really love to do i mean i envision myself where i can said having my grandchildren come right and really just having a wonderful dinner so to me having a big dining room is important is important here right some are able it's not right right create a great family and i would also say because i know i've started doing this when i when i go away to different places i purposely try to pick up pieces that are reminders of places i've gone toe so it's also like a collection of all of my great trips and travels and so yeah my husband and i when we first went on our honeymoon bought our first piece of artwork right now every vacation we've been on we buy a piece of what we do so course when you go through my halloween you  my artwork and i got this here i got so there is my honor by honor all the players that i blind and and that's my home and i and yes but it's really about creating all of that that that that's all part of