philosophy and we're very happy to be able to present that to you it's a little old and so forth and i hope you might enjoy it i just want to mention that he had the idea d and to support or design science he was always a pall comprehends of his to thought about rather than thinking directly political to address the problems of the world is to come up with design in order to create in the world through good design a world that makes possible the good of humanity to come out rather than trying to x or size them to be good in some sort of a more traditional sense a major voice in my thinking perhaps the most important polymath or comprehensive thinker in the history of mankind i'm very happy that we've had this tape revive we had lost track of it and we got it back recently and it's about fifty five minutes of a program with dr fuller help hope you might enjoy it i just want to get one quick plug in for a book now massive change by bruce mile and this is a book that's out in the stores now and it's got reference to fuller carbon sixteen that kind of thing and other people it is on level and not try to solve things of the tenant of what the going game of money or politics movie yeah right well you have set out consciously to comprehensively take the measure or to understand the workings of nature and in keeping with nature's pattern understanding the evolution of consciousness and the ability for man to appropriately bring design or bring life support capability in keeping with that nature's design discovering that the maximal benefit back some will benefit of the human family and a comprehensive mold which has been quite unique and at this particular moment in the evolution of consciousness is extremely valuable and very important and i would personally like to thank you very very much for the activities i know that you've been engaged in for over fifty years in a particularly interesting manner and gauging the evolution of consciousness and our ability to and making up packages of those inputs but mine described as relationships existing between special case packages that are not in the on universe indicated by probably that he was here for important function and he had to discover his mind and realizing that by the time the dime i'm in there and this kind of awareness that we had to the forty three percent coefficient between having this in the world's population and you're projecting a twenty odd year period to just about the time that we find ourselves in now mid one thousand nine hundred seventy four dollars when the planet would cross the fifty percent mark and there would be a new kind of condition began to be run of a new image on to the assigning of our planetary design priorities and it would seem to me that you had been gauging that with such an incredibly accurate kind of ability that was in a realize it was one of the principles i think that would make it possible for us to realize through design as opposed to some sort of a political of expedient use of the old technologies will be the principle of the former as a more constantly through design being able to do more with less and you mentioned your of course famous structures which is it is the most efficient means of inclosing space that's an example of doing more with less and this means that we're becoming more productive  just makes one wonder sometimes whether or not a planetary systems are planetary political economic and political social organizing assumptions assumptions which had all been geared to a condition of scarcity as the condition in which the evolution of consciousness of the human drama had been transpiring and i don't know if this moment on the transition is such a fundamental kind of one time unprecedented fundamental transformation that we're experiencing now that  it does bring with it certain common difficulties on the part of people who have had their identities and their senses of purpose and so forth constrained to the old organizing so it's a question it's a question of somehow being able to in a sense raise consciousness or perhaps a process of mutual educational process to the real realities which is the principal task by which the general citizenry may be able to get a sense of the quite optimistic realistically optimistic condition that space ship earth is at this moment and perhaps beyond the kind of negatively negative feelings that are accompanying the dis ease this  un optimal production capability of the old systems in which they have found them so so a process of participatory education or world the one large scale is perhaps the principal challenge or the interesting challenge  before us now i would like to think that your perceptions most certainly are absolutely crucial to the means by which we can begin to have that information structure within a technological context which can provide for a mass kind of participation in that i'd like enough to go around because when people did find a market place and they got a flood came in a draw to one of those things they cried invade so man has always been warring in coming to nightmare so we do have absolutely universe  economics and to political economics is the model that is fundamental inadequacy of fundamental scarcity therefore all politics are based on the fact there's not enough to go around someday a whole lot of people going to die and you i have a theory and my theory is a fairest i think and the wisest and the most economical you better join up with me and your family better join up with me that's why i have a there for one it to me i take a deep sense of responsibility that you're not invited to be on the ad to communicate a number of people that's why i say the most important thing is how do you get all of him out of the to find out what it is all about in the saws possible time yes that man does have the option to make it he didn't know it but now he has and we're at a very crucial moment now and it's very very crucial and it's a privilege to be alive conscious and able to participate in a particular time in the scenario of the evolution of of of  billeted to perceive this it's possible to conceive also that the great numbers of the general citizenry of the united states who perhaps might be viewing this particular program through an extended cablevision system linked through satellite capability it might be difficult for them to realize that if their identities are or their immediate securities are wrapped up in the premises of the old organizing assumptions the political structure of which they are a part it if i don't i have a feeling that it would have to be dealt with in which we can't do it with me nor the old pattern which we've been operating or that we bring a process by which those in them will realize that they are able to participate in a part of this as well because if we're having a fundamental change and we have a if we have a condition from a historical condition and a dalek tickle pattern whereby a new system wiped out the old system that had been established then those people in positions of responsibility for the old organizing assumptions the political leadership or whatever kind of visiting leaders or fear took a minor change which is feeling abroad in the land and that perhaps for the st time in the evolution of consciousness we have the opportunity by where through a process of conscious reading a conscious understanding and they're part of the transference from the condition of scarcity to surplus but the fundamental change can happen in a moment where nobody loses including those who've been responsible for the old way that's the way the country right now but that didn't this was always true yes but now it's out in the open the set up i we have a young world yes it's becoming disillusioned with the idea that how you get to solve a problem is about politics they're beginning to really say  all of its parts and when i begin to think of myself in terms of the means by which we might be able to make the transference consciously i have the sense things that we must be safe from the young worlds position who would look at the historical condition that has been inherited in the people who've been responsible for operating in systems which were established in the assumption of scarcity and in the general condition of ignorance by the people in those assumptions of scarcity that there be careful kind of appropriate universal mind's functioning that there be a careful means of including without exclusivity elder members of our human family who have been operating within that historical condition and  they could be done to i think the sooner they could be understood what it is that is transpiring i think the sooner we would be able to begin to function in a way that could engage each of the citizen really of the planet which it seems to me would be part of maximal kind of engagement on the part of each of us is a sort of part of a synergistic pattern by which we might find our our place and universe so that we really do need to have the the participation of everyone within the society in a way that is from inside that they're part of it and so that would be right it's a tricky thing and sometimes it's a transference that's hard for a lot of people to realize but i think it's essential so in a sense the the real question is to get to the people the political responsible the industrialists and so forth with information as to how things can be done differently and why we understand and we can all go together and then that would be in itself would be a process of education or a process of getting the good information to people with economy of language that can end it with integrity and the system that respects the integrity in the economy of the language and the means by which this process of national participation of consciousness raising could take place characteristics that are are interesting really local characteristics might be amplified or if they seem ones that it's interesting if i make pursue that you're talking about the activities of the multinational corporations we have had some programming activity with the people responsible for certain of the multinational corporations and they have made it clear in their in their discussion that they are aware of the world around responsibility to have a world run constituency and can begin to move outside of the constraints of the so states although they're also aware of that historical pattern but this is an entirely new kind of world around activity they're having and one thing if i may that they have indicated or in some program some of this we've done with them they have indicated their understanding that the productive process has been in the recent time and certainly the introduction of a surplus capability is the result of a technologically augmented productive system whereby the labor component to the productive process is steadily or has been in the modern era decreasing relative to the productive capability of technological systems introduced through man's metaphysical intellectual capability into the into the design and that is the instrumentalities of technology which are increasingly producing wealth as opposed to to labor and they have indicated to me their interest in economic systems whereby the citizenry of host countries in which they're operating around the world might begin to have a different kind of relationship to the productive process in the area they're working rather than strictly as a laborers but that they might have a direct relationship to the technological systems of the technological machinery so that the wealth generated by that technological capability would accrue to them directly rather than a trying to force them into the labor patterns which are redundant and are not necessary and are no longer necessary by the technological capability in fact it might be opposite to the best that the technological system could do but labor intensive patterns want to allow it to happen because it's a pattern from the i wonder if you could comment on that if i feel that the i'm known  be the machines for i haven't actually been the same in the machinery and just muscle mass and evolution trying to graduate man from from that but and this fear that he's not going to be allowed to eat because he didn't tell you there's not enough to go around therefore you have to