and coach claude miller i'm honored to have these two great guy thank you thank you excellent let's talk with you coach yes years ago i re it to you was sent to a park you were coaching d l my home and my trainer at that time you may know him mark heller and i said something and you said to me mark of our he trained himself so that was back in two thousand and four farai so i never forgot that because i think i was taken aback by your honesty few people that adore you mark heller he's my trainer and when i mentioned i was going to steal he wanted to know you were still alive and i said yes very much and of course also herbie medina i think he mentioned sometimes he wouldn't show up on time so any funny stories about the coach or anybody i can recall that it's been too long he's he's he's left us so many years ago i don't know it was about fifteen roll on his club and he was almost a head of the long distance people and he asked me if i'd be interested in running with no rules and i was happy to join the team and so i've been running with them since sixty one coaching and running  and i don't think i would have went anywhere around the world if i hadn't started running because i've gone to london to france to south africa as a writer as a coach runner i took the women's team that won the london to brighton to south africa and they wanted me to go with them so i did go i went with them but there's another story right there south africa or is still back i went up to van cortlandt that was a three mile on the track and then they said there was a forty five mile and this was sixty five i guess and i figured rather three miles too fast for me let me go on so the fact that i read at that time was a two miles oh my gosh yes so what first thing they said was we got to measure discourse over again but what happened was a week later the coach came over to me i can't think his name right  well the big thing made it because i'd be johnny kelly who was the olympic champion at the time that was a big thing cherry tree occurred in what kind of two or three watching whole birthdays yeah well all races were then confuse that you guys are champions when you went to did london and you guys came in first now to weather and also they got me well right this was later they know when i took him there in two thousand and three two thousand and four was something like that but made it on that thing you know they came in second because they followed you guys well element curtain she finished in the top ten she might have been seventh overall she was the reason i took them because i figured her time she could win and run on our faster than anybody you know all the women that i looked around the world and the other runners were all in their fifty's that we had and i knew all of them could bid on that a time that they needed and that's exactly what she w eight for a coaching and running oh ok who saw you said yourself equally good equally bad coaching a running depending on your perspective yeah no i think i think most people consider you extremely good you could have considered hello saying that you were a really cool customer but you were a gentleman about things if you don't you could be blunt they still love you for it anyway also you as a coach too if you were out for a long time you have people  will hurt themselves you have to get to know your individuals and you have to tell them you know what what's wrong with what they do when you know it's because i've seen guys i mean they don't know what when to stop and they get sick you know you get in injuries and everything you know and you have to tell them i think a lot of coaches probably in college and stuff i'd only been know if they think about stuff like that but also i'm working with people that have jobs they're amateurs and you have to find out argh i had one fellow was running with us and i had another coach he was coaching him in the he will run into want to beat his indoors and he didn't seem to be doing too well so i called him over if they ran  easier you know back it off a few seconds when he's fresh it's different but when the guy is tired you can't push him he's going to get hurt himself know what i'm saying even coaches some of the guys don't pay attention to what each individual does you not a professional right no or he did very well but in the thought you know that's that's that that's the thing you know and i coached from a lot of my own experiences over the years a lot of the stuff i tell the guys is i definitely did some of these things and i know you know what you know what ospital in brooklyn and i tell everybody i ran across the bridge and i was living in manhattan and i but i lived everywhere i lived in in harlem i lived in all parts you know my my my parents it was tough and but i most of my growing up was in the heights and inwood i went to p s one eighty nine and the heights yes and i had a tremendous golden globes for a few years and i made it to the quarterfinal i missed in the final and then i hurt my wrist and i'm skip the year and i came back and they had me down as the favorite and i lost my first fight but here's another course the street so when i got finished working out i met this guy bill stein a skolem an old guy he was probably late middle fifty's anyway he said he ran six miles on the road i said what and he said he did it almost every week so i said could try with you next week if you same time so what that's what i did the next week i ran with him we ran from yankee stadium up to fordham brought him back and i felt so good after he wasn't fast or slow he was just steady so then he forty third yeah yeah but i'm saying but now you look at that a lot of people don't do that but but here's another thing when we go from here sort of said well we go into the armory and us so what are you going to run a mile or two so here's where i always say that ignorance is brooklyn so he way i went back to watch the next couple of meat and i'll tell you another thing when you ran indoors in them days i was coughing for three or four days before i got over running with that hot dry warm a ok i almost won the race i was almost a differential and i got a stitch and i went like this and a guy beat me what i read in twenty three forty something which is fantastic i could not the ten starters two guys didn't finish so eight guys finish the race now but i think gordon ran like two or one and corbett rantoul three and i ran around two to twenty something not to thirty by almost twenty five degrees warmer or twenty at least twenty degrees warmer but when i got through it but the thing was when we were running now we would get ready i guess these here where what do you do now now to get ready for boston we didn't think nothing about running a marathon and we couple of months because after we ran boston then we won youngest oh no all of this was a regular routine every every year when i ran yeah boston is considered the longest running marathon thirty four was your best time over was the new york you know i read in philly two thirty a day but i think i could run better than two twenty knowing what i know now if i was how to train and how to get ready for things you know what i'm saying i know what you're saying but but you'd learn important lessons from from that because you're considered a vexed family knowledgeable coach so you were learning from doing this you you know you've got to you know you have to work your way into thinks you know if you're not if you're not like a lot of these guys probably ran in college and everything that's why when i went and ran around a bank all in a couple died no good so i didn't do that i did my own thing stuff it was beautiful up there when we talk about the armory no we're talking about columbia is what cool stadium ok it's to track now they have the track inside the stadium but they wouldn't let you in there when that was first new then when they let us in it was ok but before that this it was the track was outside of the stadium it was a cinder track and i love that track but they changed everything you know at the iraq really opening up to the neighborhood now t allow on people to go in and walk and stuff on there are a lot of times on the track this is to columbia yeah because i live right on till fifteenth i see the track when i come out of my ousting i'm not familiar with that track of course i know about the armory and the  one woman's relay team but since then we don't go on it because when you do one speed work on that you know what you're going to be doing races i you know a lot of people don't like it they it bothers their hips and bodies their legs and stuff i did once w of the colleges my love it you know i mean oh my gosh my gosh and i was going to say when i when i got out and i was walking i felt like i was flying even thought was walking was to take care of us what down trudy is a middle bit they've drawn back i don't know what they do when they would they i don't know if they were supplying the colleges and what they were doing but i mean it is started out as a company team taking care of the you know and we're still needed anything joe klein and told me to call him and he gave me five thousand dollars to send my women to south africa he gave me another five thousand for other anytime i needed anything you call him and i would only use that when i had a team that i thought would could races name after the race name after you coach that yet soon we're going to name the cross country races from new york to san francisco have well you know we're going to go we're going to we want to go back and run the old marathon once again the cherry tree yeah because i would i go would had to check that track out and i mean where we ran and it's almost exactly the same and hasn't it's going to make it a small race with all right you know road runners a puppy help you out and a pro president so we never needed police or anything we went down there and asked them to still that we had one hundred seventy third there's like a crossover we had somebody it'd just direct traffic if