medicine toxicology and the idea conducted a risk assessment on behalf of the academy back in one nine hundred ninety eight in the one of the things that we get into is dos and one of the things the fluoridation people never want to talk about th infant a dose of florid that would be gross malpractise if any physician family physician dentist early since practitioner in the state of california two were to write a prescription for that amount there fore you have a duty to inform the parents about this increased goes beyond what the family doctor can prescribe and warn them to not make up tap water formula i thought water was supposed to be safe for all of us even the  warned their members not you not the water district of course they recommend fluoridation but they tell members to tell their parents of children to make up tap water formula with fluoride free water make up the formula with fluoride free water so the baby infants with fluoride you cause adverse responses systemically and even the advocates for fluoridation agree that if it works it works topically not systemically but systemically is dental and when you can see spots on children's teeth you've got to be a dentist to believe you poison that child enough to cause spots on their teeth and that's the only organ that was impacted the level of  increase the number of children with dental roses in california dental for roses is a proven adverse effect and it cost a lot to fix dr nelson is talking about a billion dollars for dental care there's more than that spent on fixing the california dental association and dr nelson and everybody else that told you to put in the water supply for any adverse effects thank you very much but the only way to get around that is for you to warn the recipients of your water that it's no longer safe for the population to direct it's got peters is the chairman of the san diego city council that i just heard my poison babies presentation in this is an informational meeting where they are going to listen to the advocates for and how good it is to allow that to be added to the same to you city water supply hydra fluid solicit gas it's a product they're going to use and that when it's got peters asked the advocates if it's going to poison babies listen to what they say and how they try to spin the answer i just had one question this is not so much for you actually the one i picked out of the parade of doctors but anyone can answer this question and it's specifically the baby issue of the baby formula exposure issue can someone address that if there's data on that well actually i heard i've heard your view of it i just didn't fluoridation was too high for babies to drink and right in you know the american academy of pediatrics recommends breastfeeding for infants however the majority of children and not best breastfed and you know ever since time began almost there's been alternatives to breast feeding so we recognize that with increasing knowledge in science space in terms of fluoride intake from all sources that young infants when they are receiving powdered infant formula or formula that's concentrated and has to be diluted with water that young babies will receive  fluorosis white streaking of the teeth as those teeth are developing and so this guidance was was issued in as you've heard to provide information so that that risk can be balanced with the risk for tooth decay when considering what kind of feeding practices should be used for infants if infants are using the ready to feed formula that doesn't need dilution then there's no issue so that when using an infant formula that needs to be diluted we're recommending using distilled water that is available at stores so you recommend just chips no chemicals and that's correct ok excellent distilled water you want mothers to go buy distilled water for their babies because the stuff you put in the water will poison the baby that's un american molay makes a living trying to suppress those anti fluoridation is that might question the wisdom of adding hazardous waste from china and mexico to the public water supplies and he knows when he's traipsing on the edge of the law the law that san diego has that does not allow us to pay to buy hazardous waste and put in our water supply and watch how many times he tries to deceive a city councilwoman who knows the correct answer to his question good morning mr president members my name is at your dime and they have stated a staff member with metropolitan water quality section and part of my responsibilities has been to help our member agencies and their retail agencies implement our drinking water fluoridation program february of two thousand and three as most of you know metropolitans board of directors adopted a policy to florida  its treated water supplies centrally what that meant was they directed staff to move forward with the design construction and installation of facilities to florida that are five treatment plants not long after that metropolitan was granted the amount of money at the time to design our florida the estimated amount to florida our facilities were given approximately five point five million dollars for the planning take it off the table metropolitan is paying for that that is not being offered to us that is not part of the five point five million dollars in capital cost that we receive the all and costs of being paid for by metropolitan i'm going to now transition into some of the outreach issues that i think you might be interested in again part of our job now is to make our message consistent we not only supply water to the san diego county area but also to our rest of our service area over a six county service area and it's important that the message that we say here in san diego is consistent with the other portions of our service are and we've been working with our member agencies and their retail customers in refining that message so all of our customers hear the same thing we're also providing support to our member agencies and sharing information news inquiries exciter of public inquiries again so that when we go online in october that all of our customers and their member agencies are hearing the same thing and again the attempt there is to minimize the amount of misinformation that's out there and quickly counter critics and others who acre foot of water treated i will i will quote a route by an estimate because we can't give the exact cost because we haven't started for dating we have we have some estimates that have been done over the years but that the number i've been quoting and it's so it's again it's an estimate it's a range of slightly less than two dollars an acre foot ok so your cost per acre foot is slightly less the in the  maintenance costs all right and so as part of that the when when the county larger authority purchased his water from you do you or will you increase your costs per acre foot of water to offset the costs they will be using for the fluoridation of our water it's my it's my understanding i'm not a rate structure expert we can get one but we have certain  components of our treatment and the normal cost of treating water is part of that structure this is is is viewed as part of that normal cost we do other treatment we use other treatment techniques like ozone chlorine and other additive and this is part of that trip that quote unquote treatment cost right i understand it's part of what that took was so quickly answer your question that cost will not be passed along to the county water authority or to any of our twenty six member agencies it's incorporated as part of our normal treatment cost so there's no additional you say that there's an additional cost to treat the water but that you're just going to absorb those  with us the county water authority will not see a incremental increase as a result of our start up it's again it's incorporated as part of our normal treatment cost will in fact there will be increased cost because the cost of your treatment will go up and as the cost of water treatment go up those costs will be passed on to meth or on to county water already and i want to be careful not to be misquoted or mis characterization to characterize i'm just trying to understand if there's an increased cost for three years there is a cost associated with this and as i mentioned the approximate cost is about two dollars per acre foot but again that says part of our we have other treatment cost and one chemicals go up that cost goes up as well and ok ok so if you had to add chemicals and she works as one of the directors for the center spoke ridge the center for risk analysis in tennessee she served for three years on the national academies of science review of florida in the drinking water is an expert in  function how your glands work how your hormones work and whether or not flora affects those dr decent explain to you the deuce before i know how that relates to levels that are known to cause harm from water fluorida graph illustrates the expected range of consumption of public tap water for various each groups this is information from the environmental protection agency in quantities of military milliliters per day these ranges include only people who actually consume temp water and you need to know the red diamonds indicate that some people consume substantially more water than the usual range the total consumption of community water shown here is not to be confused with total food consumption or total water consumption five formula might with tap water people with certain medical conditions people in an air conditioned residences people who work outside in hot climates do have the physical labor and athletes this graph shows the estimated fluoride in takes for each age group this is based on the one of the ranges shown in the last flight assuming point eight per million for ai which i understand is the plan for the syria and also showing that red harmful effects during a lifetime before i said the reference dose is point zero six milligrams per kilogram for day as seen in the graph many infants have a floor right intake just from temp water well above that reference d children with older children with high water consumption will also exceed that and even adults and teenagers the highest water consumption has come very close to that now to describe shows estimated for itin takes only for example water does not include other sources such as commercial beverages meat with forty to tap water or toothpaste to your food when these other sources of four i don't take are included tofor i didn't take from many members of all age groups will exceed e p a s reference  of the authors of these you know if i thought love was represent fluoride in takes at or below which most people are not expected to experience any harmful effects of these estimates are based on population averages they do not include a margin of safety they might not be protective for everybody and it takes above these levels cannot be considered safe need to notice that most of these no effect levels are below the e p a s reference those indicating that he is referenced those is not protective of many of these phones note also that most of these no effect levels are exceeded or will be exceeded by many members of the population with fluoride in point eight parts per million a community drinking water when other foreign sources are included even more people will exceed the effect levels in order to be safe for all members of the population fluoride in takes for all people must be kept below the lowest know if when all sources of floor i didn't take are included in with an adequate margin of safety not include cancer of course in a general cancer causing effect of floor and cannot be ruled out from the available data and it's a very least cancer promoting effect is likely for carcinogenic substances the risk of cancer increases with the amount of exposure such that even a very low exposure carries with it some cancer risk and conclusion i'd like to quote from the director of laboratories from the city of new york department of water supply gas and electric from the presentation in one nine hundred fifty six public water supply is a hazardous procedure people are bound to get hurt their remains to find out how many in one will be happy to answer questions later thank you for the opportunity is the board members have any explained that they're going to be poisoning sixty four thousand babies and they couldn't think of a single question to ask how did these people get their job yes good morning and i just wanted to let you know that the rate increase that your in the hall pass through from the metropolitan water district is a substantial portion of that is for infrastructure and for the purchase of a product called hydro flow slezak acid from china and mexico to treat the water not as a water treatment but as medical treatment for the citizens of san diego that i particularly like the method of voting  i understand you don't have any real control over it but cars i'd could be reelected as mayor of san diego with that method because every water supply meter got about including all the city water meters and what they do is they count the number of people that say nah it's not a good idea and so if somebody is dead or gets thrown in the tree trash or they go on vacation that was a yes vote so you've got to affirmatively vote no know order to say you know this is not right so i call that the kangaroo vote it's fairly and democratic but thanks to donna frye careful questioning of edgar di malee in this city council chambers he speaking on behalf of the metropolitan water district acknowledged for every person here after he told a falsehood on three occasions he finally admitted after donna nailed him that the cost of adding hydro fluid so sick acid to the water was going to be wrapped up as water treatment and charged to the citizens of san diego howard pollack speaking on behalf of the california florida task force admitted upon question by scott peters that it will harm a baby why is that ok are you telling the recipients of the water it violates the safe drinking water act are you telling mothers who have to go back to work that making up a formula will give this baby twenty five times more fluoride than the national academies of science reported damage by road in two thousand six this isn't one nine hundred fifty s technology what's damaged the right result in lower i q learning disorders obesity sound familiar and the city council likes the water here in san diego so well that i went around and i looked in the offices and i was not surprised to see bottled water in the vending machine in the hall and in all the offices is the water so safe a lot of people say oh well it's not a problem for me i'll drink bottled water but don't you bathe hydro flue salissa gas it goes right through skin that's how they used it in the twenty's and thirt and the sad part is despite the claims to the contrary putting this substance in the water causes disproportionate harm disproportionate to the poor who cannot afford to buy water for their baby disproportionate to the people who may not know that the water is contaminated with hydro fluid solicit acid disproportionate to african americans who for reasons that are not clear suffer a six fold increase in blood level of lead when hydro flu associate cassaday added to the public water supply there are not one study there are two studies with over half a million children in i'm showing that's the case if there's any other source of exposure such as older housing to san diego have some older housing that might have some african american children living in it are you going to tell them that the water is no longer safe to drink hispanic children had a four fold increase in children with above ten micrograms predicted leader led well you may like fluoride but you like children with high blood levels of lead it causes learning disorders violent behavior do we have any problems with that you may all claim that your hands are tied oh i'm sorry i can't do anything but you know we have representatives on the metropolitan water district board and when they voted to put this hydra flu solicit gas in our water one member didn't even go the other one voted for it we have a log and stood and our representatives are say yes let's get that stuff from china it's not for the children it's for the industry that has the product to get rid of florida exposure in humans is associated with elevated thyroid stimulating hormone concentrations increased prevalent and altered t four and t three concentrations similar to the effects of t four in t three that are reported in animals very consistent result it happens in humans it happens in animals and at the dos that are twenty five times lower than a baby on a bottle point zero one milligram per kilogram the baby gets point two five thank you very much  yes good morning for the record my name is jeff green of the national director for citizens for safe drinking water and i'm here to make a formal statement of b c clearly both factual and constructive notice that you proposition two eighteen notice is not in compliance with proposition two eighteen it's a continuing action that occurred back in two thousand and seven as well and to make it very clear that some of your questions that i heard from some of the council members were right on what were the cost that were being if the state law would superceded the only way that the state laws could supersede it is if it met all of the conditions one of the conditions of the state law is that no city could be compelled to florida eight and less all of the funds came from other than rate payers or taxpayers in exactly what you're passing through right here in costs or not pastors for water in fact proposition two eighteen is very clear about what water is and if i can read the statement it has to do that it's services related to possibility preservation storage or distribution not one of those words relates to something the fluoride does because for it's intended to affect the physical structure of people's teeth so be more resistant to tooth decay and so there you have everybody on the planet admits you're going to poison a baby if you put this in the water in the title of this video is why is that ok why is it ok to poison babies you know if i went to your local school a brown bottle that had a deadly poison in it and started putting a few drops in your children's lunch you'd call the police but if the city council does exactly the same thing with exactly the same product everybody sits back and says well you know it's been approved approved by whom nobody approves this even the american water works association their approval was found to be false they didn't get their required documentation of the products by a congressional investigation so hey why is it ok we're in admitting we're going to damage babies that's not the only group but that's the one everybody agrees on this used to be a controversial practice it's not controversial in the more it's going to poison the baby why is that ok