become very used to and so i'm comfortable about that so i'm glad that that experience happens but then i got to the stage where i didn't want to go to public school again so that's where i ended up i decided i wanted to go to garfield as i came out of private school and went back to to mainstream high school and high school is where my real ambition and love came from music music was like my mistress and you know you've heard that duke ellington say that i had a flaw in my heart all the time i was always i loved everything it was an honor to be able to do them because i was still very young and i had an opportunity and i also became a member of my own band which i started  than what i ended up doing was i met this guy jordan rudy who actually started teaching about what i was doing and he was very amazing in him and joe they were all they were so wonderful i had his back to playing with the with his teeth and doing all that stuff actually jimi got that from that whole idea from guitar shorey that's where it started and nobody talks about that but that's they came through seattle from chicago maybe in the seventy's so they don't realize there was some real serious blues put here in rio you had boss george and we used to call him when i george walsall played guitar played tunes jimmy smith wanted to take him away from here he was one hell of a blues player self and so was dave lewis and along with song with with with guitar surety they were all good b and you you lock into that groove and and you can play anything else and i think that's what really appealed to me at the very beginning was not so much like the notes or the technique or anything else like that but just the real solid groove and then you could hear it there were a lot of there were a lot of musicians like you talk about dave lewis and guitar shorty  listen to him and i just wanted to do it and then i get these gangs these little silly gigs and gary i got gary and his friend booker there were these two tenor players they would show up to the gig and i didn't  they'd be all like you know sun ra political thing and come and play and they played there they sounded great some of it up and they play it and they had an open invitation any gig garry still has it any good guy ever play of the fong we take the kids we do have that all your permission will be popping up on the screen t the audience is just so great that dynamic movement and in the closeness that they bring to each other and the listening new theme music is something that when i talk about music and i speak as danny spoke feeling and expression dynamics and to the back of the way we talk that's very important it's very nobody wants to be creative they started playing and they started playing off each other trying to really be creative at that point between them so that's lost now i chance to experience as george got better with the concept he grew it into classical music and other things and i will add danny explained that part when i came to the sea and i got i had george's class it was it was more i won't say the beginning stages but it was being challenged a lot because they didn't want to add to conservatory they were talking about the new england around music but to have him to have what he calls in a concept the service because george was very dynamic and his expressions well and had not quite reached the peak that quote unquote the classical world felt that it was an accomplished heart for to say but it was it was it was more than that so we again george had to prove himself and he had to be very forward about his vision and about what that was and he did a wonderful job so if you took in my teachings now that's what i'm really teaching i just don't play your game well actually actually i never took the class i actually played is that instead and he gave me a copy of it and i looked at it and it's you know i'll tell you one of the things that happens in music is  five one the five a saddam card and if you raise the fourth in that it has its own try tone called the track down which in medieval times was called the devil's interval it was the catholic church  probably remembers that i was real cocky and they call me a cowboy and i did not like that because i know i've been to school so i'm talking school talk believe me and you sit here long enough and they didn't say that if you work out with a human find out what you thought this was it's even more than that so when we when we were rehears might call blues he might say anything but you never knew what you were going to play but you were prepared to play any and everything and even things i didn't know they helped me step up because