harrison you have a quorum right all right so i just want to welcome everybody and just thank you for everything that you've been doing and all the hard work we have a couple hours to get through a pretty robust agenda but keep in mind all this was done in a pre kovin nineteen world and so we're gonna do a check in and obviously a lot of things have changed and that's gonna probably direct our conversation as we go forward so with that i'm going to turn it over to our of background noise you will be able to unmute yourself when you want to jump in i would love it if you would raise your hand so i know that you want to jump in you should be able to do that at the bottom of your participants box if you don't have that open at the bottom of your black screen it says participants you can click on that and you should be able to see everybody who's on the call if that's not your jam and you want to jump in and you just want to go like this that's totally fine to whatever works for you works for me we have two hours at most two tonight but we would love to break around to make sure that you all have time to arrest and repair or prepare for your actual council meeting so with the next ninety ish minutes we have three things to talk about as the mayor said thing one we do need to follow up on our planning session kathy is going to catch us up on all of th progress on the priorities that you identified at that time you receive from kathy a document that adams set out sort of a dashboard update which we can chat about here in a minute the next thing we're going to talk about is  this question of excuse me of me choking to death is what are we gonna do we the city what do you all want to do now in light of the coab in nineteen coronavirus situation what does that mean for your priorities how are those things different now in in light of crona or not and then all of those things sort of roll into the juicy bit here at the bottom which is what is basically your council work plan look like going forward have your priorities changed how are you gonna run meetings is this gonna work for you for the foreseeable future if so do you want to agree to some kind of  mechanisms to make sure that the zoom tool continues to work for you if this is your second zoom you've already noticed there are some quirks and some limitations to the tool i use it at least twice a day and it looks ounds like a couple of others  do as well so we might be able to brainstorm some potential mechanisms to maximize your comfort with the tool if you're going to be using it for quite some time oh the middle thing i forgot to talk about we need to check in on those three forms love to check in with you you and staff have been working on things related to councils priorities wondering if you would be willing to catch us up yes of course thanks heather i'm good evening everyone it's fun to see you all this way and all your smiling faces so what i'll do is i think you had this document does that look familiar the mayor said that to you i think a couple days ago and i'm not gonna spend a lot of time going through all the detail and the action steps unless you have questions i'll just highlight the top six and put them in priority order that you agree to on february st try to think of this in terms of before this current environment of the pandemic right because on february first we weren't under these unusual circumstances and so so let's think about it that way just so that we can talk about the priorities that you established at that meeting on february st when here's how here's how you decided those and in order the first one was long range funding strategy the second was economic strategy the third was homelessness you'll remember there is already is a countywide effort and you want lakewood to take the lead role and we're continuing to do that we've recently hired a navigator and are about tire the second one the third is affordable housing that was an important third that was an important priority for you as it relates to availability um in our community number five is sustainability again a priority for you and finally transportation safety the transportation safety was a pretty broad conversation around pedestrian safety bicycle safety we also talked about senior rides and transportation that is offered through the liquid rights program so those were your top six that you decided on february st you also asked for these additional i guess  assignments that you gave to staff to follow up on and i'd like to do that just really briefly the first the first one was the tours to remember you each got a survey with some some options for some tours that if we have the time and if we're not under constraints of social distancing and congregation rules once those are all lifted here's what decided you ranked head start centers as a tour that you would like to see first the park maintenance center was your second tour third was clemens community center and fourth was bear creek lake park it'd be a nice tour on a nice weather  day we also talked about joint meetings with elected officials outside of the city of lakewood and here's how you rank those your first priority was having a joint meeting with the jefferson county commissioners your second was a joint meeting with the west metro fire board your third was with the city of wheat ridge and your fourth was with jeff co school board so sorry anytime we discuss a document i think we should have it online two weeks ago we had the emergency declaration in front of us but it was non line in front of the public so just saying thank you i see a fair number of council members nodding along could you give me a visual nod or a thumbs up if you agree that you should be posting these documents all right i see a good mood of counsel there i do have the option of sharing my screen so it can be on the webinar would you like me to do that now yeah okay so that's that was the outcome of the tor survey then we talked about the water lake the water in lake wood panel and that has been scheduled again for  june th whether we'll be able to do it then or not is yet to be seen but it's tentatively scheduled for june th you asked us to do that you asked recorder the updates on the building permits issued by category and we decided that that would be something that i would report out at the executive reports on during a regular meeting you also asked about vaping and we were waiting for information from the state level and that will be forwarded to city council as fats becomes available once they're back in session and finally the issue of minimum wage and the thought that that could be implemented in the city of lakewood you agreed that this would be a white paper that would be distributed to all of you and and that will happen in fact we'll get that out sometime this week probably by wednesday so those are the one offs assignments that you asked us to do and i also just reviewed that city council dashboard goal i just went through just the topics that it looks like heather's showing right now all i did was the headliner i didn't go into the action steps once  approved has been said this will be posted on the website and with that i'm happy to take any questions you might have but that concludes the update purposefully making this brief under recognizing that we've got some other pretty urgent issues to discuss this evening but i'm happy to whatever questions you might have thanks kathy rangers got a question go ahead ramey oh thank you you know number one i got my other computer you know after i started looking at these i realized i i actually do have a couple questions the first one was on the long range goals and we've got revenue enhancements i guess i'd like to have an idea of what that looks like number one number two under economic strategy with the changing real retail landscape we need to hear about we're talking about the strategies there i think that maybe we need to hear what that presentation is going to be before we actually this also under that we've got a new urban renewal area and i wondered if that was actually out there or if you have an idea where it would be under homelessness we've got economic development strategies to provide job opportunities do we have any idea how that's going to look  if that's something the city is doing or we're pushing out somehow to an agency or just one under affordable housing it's talking about the existing codes to understand the applicability of tiny homes and actually i think that this is something that the community needs to w in on and the reason i that is that the single haul or trash issue was in the sustainability document and it gives it credibility if you will once the language is here it's kind of codified that we're going to go forward with that and i think some of us all of us really ought to consider pushing this out into our wards to  get input on that under sustainability we've got a joint slash facility has that been identified and who would we be sharing it with that kind of thing and last under transportation the senior facilities are independence for the senior facilities it's come to my attention that we've got some thinking that this is going to be something that the city is going to be providing for them it would be good if we could somehow direct some of these facilities to grant money fundraising that kind of thing so that they can help be part of the transportation for their facility great that's all thanks ray me kathy it seems like a couple of those questions maybe i'll go together as a bundle about how are you thinking about the current financial situation given that the context is perhaps changed on the other items are you able to provide a pretty brief response to rama's question now what do you think you know i would just answer that in real broad terms that all of all of these six topics with the details that are the action steps within those are all the very beginning of a broad conversation that need to go to city council so when it comes to revenue enhancements that that came up during your smaller work that you did and i think the thought was that the budget not a committee would look at that first and and really examined do a deep dive for example i'm what some revenue potential revenue ideas might be and then it would go to all of council just to have that conversation in that community conversation whether that ends up as something that goes forward or not it's this is just the beginning of that conversation that came up at the retreat on the economic strategy talking about the lra that was something that we've actually discussed for the past year it came up a year ago and then it made it to number two in terms of priorities if if as you see on there it says should you wish if you look at see it says should you wish to move forward that's just a further conversation and again that's that's a topic that would be decided upon by council and you said something about a broad economic development conversation and that's actually scheduled i'm trying to look at the chart right now that's actually scheduled for meeting in may may th whether that happens or not and maybe that'll gets moved back i don't know but absolutely we you decided as a group that we need to start with a broad education on economic development and then these other factors would fall into that homelessness i don't know that there's been any efforts today at least from the cities the cities work on job creation with homelessness that's certainly something we can look at i that's some if that's what you'd like to see which affordable housing i think you talked about tiny homes again that came up as a recommendation from some of that smaller committee work that happened at there at the planning session that's going to be a big conversation for city council is that something you want to allow and if so how and where and how does that happen so this is the again just at the beginning if you want to take that off as a group you can certainly do that sustained joint site i talked a little bit about the potential of a joint site at the session in february and to be honest with you further conversation on that particular topic have  dwindled because we were dealing with the county and the counties been otherwise distracted so we haven't talked about the joint slash site at least not to any detail and finally transportation talking about seniors  again that's one of those programs that the citizens of lakewood have enjoyed over the years there's a high cost to it and some people in city council would like to see that expanded i think other people in council would like to see that contracted and so again that to me that's another conversation that needs to have a good amount of time with the public input to see what what what what do the constituents what does the community want to see as it relates to transportation provided by the city so i write rainy i'd be happy to visit with you in more detail about any or all of this but that's just my recollection if as a group tonight you decide you want to change any of these action items you can absolutely do that or you can change the direction if this is really your document that informs the staff in terms of priorities and what where we should be focused and  hold on okay go ahead briefly oversee and then when you help me to get this document off of the screen here i don't know how to do it so you can't do it because i'm sharing it so that everyone can see it because folks had asked that if it's when it's forced on your screen like this it means anyone watching the webinar can also see it so i'll take it down here i'm so sorry it's annoying though i totally understand so happy for now what you're hoping for count from council is we'll take a few more questions or comments and then you're looking for council to say yep that looks like the right set of stuff that we set at the planning session carry on and then we'll get you our our subsequent agenda items does that sound right yes that's right that's right dave what are your thoughts i just were running a little low on time here i the email that we sent out on friday and conversations that we've had with some of you and emails we received tonight really we need to focus on what we're gonna do in the next month or two months ahead this conversation about our long range philosophical priorities you know that was fine in february but right now we need to concentrate on what we're doing moving forward and we  lot to get through so with all due respect i think we should table this entire discussion and i would rather get consensus that we move on to discuss short term goals short term agendas and priorities and get prefer that that makes sense to me adam go yeah no certainly thank you dave so yeah the gist of this is you know some of the things in our short term goals or long term goals related to cove it might actually fall in like homelessness economic development strategy so i think the goal is ax absolutely do a check in these are our priorities but counsel should we make our number one priority right now covet nineteen and not only eclips everything that we have on this there still might be some synergies but move forward with that in my consensus might my statement is yes and then when everybody else has a chance to talk i'm happy to go back and just highlight what i heard from counsel like framing under these does that lock us in here where you know we're not able to talk about more specifics and these things because some of these things are just repeat things that we've talked about year after year and they're not action items necessarily so this question just wondering about that for example like sustainability talks a little bit about prioritization i mean we have a sustainability plan we don't write in a year after year i think the question is can we get some action items that are maybe in that sustainability plan to council to vote yes or no on another example might be transportation talk a little bit about sidewalk paths and information about sidewalks and things like that we had that last year i think we had something similar the year before you know if we have some action items on that i'm happy to take a look at those if we have time and ability with staff capacity etc then yeah we should be looking at those we've been talking about that for years and  haven't made a whole lot of changes on a council level to those things so i guess my question is is it do we need a wordsmith this right now and if not then i'm finally let's just move on looks locusts specifically on the initial or the immediate ko i can consider this to be a general direction and not a exclusive list of things how do you understand these lists absolutely this is just the broad level when you dig in my munich no you're good i'm sorry so we did when you actually use the dashboard you'll be able to dig into the actual objectives under each of these we didn't provide all that detail it's still being built out but you'll be able to see that and this is this is your work so as this comes in front of you  with these topics you you're the one that gets to help form this and to shape it into what you want to see so this is just still kind of high level staff put this together to help give some action  kind of some broader statements about working to encourage affordable housing but like but enact a serious action item might be things like inclusionary zoning so i just want to see if that's able to be in here later because we might have a serious issue with that where you know we might be able to get some wins if we do that kind of zoning anyway thanks okay and just two days earlier point and maybe a little bit yours jacob as you go forward with kovat response some of your thinking on many of these items might change or they might still be priorities but how they show up as action items for staff a man for council might change in light of the current condition charlie why don't you hop in if you would a time and i think our priorities should be cove it i'm if inclusionary zoning is way down the line we need to take care of the immediate problems see where we stand a lot of things are gonna have to do with the economic good go ahead you know i agree with you charlie we it was awkward trying to figure out how do we do this follow up of your planning session since frankly the world has since february one so we just wanted to get this memorialized and show you what work what those action steps are make sure we're at least kind of on the same planet as a relates to that and then i think all of our attention has been uncovered nineteen but that doesn't mean some of these don't maybe translate over to the next year so there there is some good work that you did on february st and that status is build in that we just didn't want to lose so it's kind of in this weird place where the world kovat nineteen is top priority it goes to the top of the list everything else moves down one there's no reason to change our list i think it's still good because just our priorities have changed a little bit but i think in terms of our relative priorities they are the same also i just want to note number one in two of our lists both involve finances and economic strategy those were our two top priorities and now with cove a they become even more meeting okay yes hi um i fully agree i think the short term priority needs to be cove it and all of our attention should be on that i think that it would be helpful to revisit this once we have more information and the dust is settled and we know what the economic picture is gonna look like and at that time we may want to reorder some of this i know the economic impacts of this are on the top of all of our mind as well so support doing that great thanks dana um adam did you want to jump in generally and also summarize what you heard in response to your email yeah so i think there's general consensus that we're gonna move forward with cove at nineteen reis response really that's our main goal as of right now i think we've heard from from the majority of council indicating i just want to test that is there anybody that wants to say differt okay so with that said this was really cool to hear counsel and i know it's it's odd because a lot of times we have this opportunity to have this conversation when we're at the gaius but we tested something as far as you know what with when we look at covet response how do we direct staff what does that look like it's so big it's moving fast and so we put something out that basically was shelter food and jobs right economic development and so when i'm starting to receive the responses they fell into two kind of categories certainly those categories but one were the core functions of the city what we do internally and that is the budget what our budget is going to look like as we move forward what does that look like for city operations so i heard about public safety right making sure that we continue to keep the public safe what does this look like in terms of crime maybe increasing unfortunately during these times as well as the health just the general health of the community and what that looks like so those were kind of the inside things and the outside things were how do we look at rent how do we look at jobs how do we look at food and what's cool is we all want to help everybody in any way that we can and kathy and i had to bounce this off a little bit today and it is humbling because when you look at where least really do perform three core functions please parks and you know public safety that road type of infrastructure so to counsel what does that look like further do we continue with that core mission and maybe you know kathy what does that look like internally i know you've already done some things and then what do we do outside of that if anything right and maybe we don't know enough right now to make that decision and do we have that check in going forward so that's kind of what i encapsulated and dave you are part of talking to some council members i just want to check in with you real quick and then maybe kathy you want to talk internally and then we can go and what folks had as far as you know there was public safety was a big one communication was a big one obviously we did the economic development the jobs piece that is a big one and i think you know a lot of what we probably need to talk about what we tried to do in that friday email was really say okay we all know that that we want to help people obviously that's a big ticket item we all want to do the best by the residents help them in any way that we can but we need something tangible actionable something that we can grasp onto and actually accomplish in the short term and what does that look like i mean outside of just saying let's spend a bunch of money which probably is the most effective way of doing things but things you know that adam and i have discussed or you know lobbying efforts getting some big picture goals there's been some recent successes with that back communication piece how do we help small businesses is the best way to do that set them up with those communication things there's a lot of businesses all seven thousand of them that may not know all the things that the state and the feds are offering the banks are offering right now and those are resources that hopefully we connect them with and then finally it seems like we've got there are folks in the community that do a really good job of delivering food there's a there's a lot of folks to do a good job of supporting businesses we have the chamber we have edc we have the smaller business group folks i think we need to really lean into them they're the ones they're dealing with the businesses on an everyday basis and some of the things that we've talked about is what's the best way to do that how do we lean into those folks and create policies that will help them in turn help our community so that was some of the higher level stuff that we were talking about once we received all of the emails from council it really does seem like everyone's on the same page it's just figuring out what those action items can be coming out of tonight what can we look forward to in our next meetings what can we act on in a week two weeks what can we send staff working on today and this week to come back to us and say hey this is what we're hearing these we have just let's just say we have thirty million in our reserves rough give or take right what can our role be to really be effective to help seven zero businesses right and should that be our role you know and our the state and the federal government much better suited for that so that was just a line of thinking when i started doing the math on helping businesses right how do you get through that what does that look like and so i'd love to hear from just on the internal piece i think it's important to hear from kathy mm hmm great and kathy i'll come back to you but i do want to hear i'm dana our thoughts if you would you want to meet yourself  okay um yeah so thank you for the work that went into this ahead of time i agree with the core main goals that you are kind of just discussing outside of our core functions i think we all agree public safety has to be number one and ensuring that our agents have everything they need to remain safe right now my understanding is that is already happening and so if we're gonna look at goals related to kovat above and beyond that the goals that were listed i think public health should be the first one we've been talking about that that's everything that we've done up to this point has been related to public health and so we may or may not need to take additional action but just for example you know the reason that we're meeting on zoom right now is public health the reason that we had to put the emergency  in place is public health so i think it's just important that were clear with the community that public health is still the biggest priority right now in terms of actions that i think we could potentially take on the other items i'm a little hesitant to start trying to make grant programs right out of the gate when we don't know what our own budget impacts are going to be i think we may very well want to do that my concern would be just we don't even know the scope of this yet or what the scope of the need is so i think that we should be prepared to do that i don't know that that's the first thing we should do i think that we should absolutely work on advocacy for food shelter and business last two points here i think that same thing within related to business be good right now because our needs are to be different from needs throughout the state i think we don't necessarily know what that's gonna look like yet but i think beginning to put that framework  now will not leave us flat footed and i think that maybe using the model like we did on homelessness throughout the county might be a smart approach last point i want to make is just around communication i know a ton of outreach has been done already through the city i think that just making sure there's not any gaps and that there's a consistent message going to everyone about any major updates like if there's a stay in place order is that getting it pushed through all of our facebook channels is that getting sent to all of the emails that we h e because i think again public health the faster that we get this under control the faster we get back to economic normalcy so thanks dana we'll hear from jacob and then from mayor or maybe both about sort of what you're hearing from you know hospitals what you're hearing from businesses what you're kind of hearing from the community i think we all have our own groups or whatever but obviously i know kathy obviously the mayor just sort of citywide probably have a little bit different perspective because you guys have them sort of on the ground a little bit more so i'd love to hear just sort of what you guys are hearing but i would just add real quick that obviously there is some more federal legislation discussions happening you know sees really engaged in cml with those they're talking about cdbg funds so i think there are some already openings for example when we talked a little bit about homelessness cdbg funds that something where we are gonna get this grant probably no matter what that's something where we might just be able to reorient our priorities right now to help with cope it a little bit more i know dave talked a little bit about vouchers so that's something that we can kind of focus and ho more in on those type of things with those type of funds that's maybe something we should be considering task force i like that idea i'd love to hear other people's thoughts on that grants for businesses now we do have specific economic development funds that i think would be more suitable for that sort of thing i hear what the mayor's saying about seven thousand businesses but at the same time not all those businesses obviously are going to be at or struggling so it might be something where we can  you know if we have a pulse in the community of what the actual need is maybe it's a lot smaller than that and maybe there's something we can do to sort of bridge the gap if they're right now seeking federal you know bridge loans and all that kind of stuff we don't know how long the are going to take the right check so there might be something in the short term or we can be of some assistance with helping other groups get some sort of money out and i would like to know more about kathy's thoughts on economic development  particularly because that's obviously different than our reserve and that's different than our general fund that's specifically geared towards business so i'm just curious do you think there's a role to play with that or if you see that as emergency stopgap perhaps if things thirty three thousand dollars in additional fund as i think are roughly almost million dollars that just came out today so i know the staff needs to go through that and see what parameters that encompasses but that is a piece that just came in to economic development piece if you would i'm happy to thank you first can i say sharon popped off and she needs to pop back on is that can we control that jonathan that sounds like it's something probably that you can do i don't have i don't see a request but carry on we'll work on it okay bye she's just texted me and said somehow she fell off so just wanted to attend to that um so what i'd like to do is just take a moment and talk about some of the financial concerns that were experiencing i i know that's at the front of minds to to a lot of people certainly if you're responsible for managing a city and all the sudden we have a couple of big retail engines that are closed remember the mills is closed boomers closed restaurants etc so that is that equates to a pretty big hit to us over a week ago i implemented a hiring freeze just to be just to be safe we don't know what those numbers are i can give you some round figures of what it looks like our loss is going to be when you don't know the duration of this crisis and this pandemic it's it's it's all of the cities  this odd odd position where we don't know what the full extent of the concern is going to be remember about six months ago we were concerned about our revenues trailing pretty flat so we went through a complete exercise with every department head i met with each one individually and we put together a list of where those reductions would be so we've been operating i mean thankfully we've been operating from a position of cautious s and because of that today not counting police agents we have forty nine positions unfilled where the positions aren't necessarily going away but they're just they're just they just don't have authorization to be refilled the whole idea is to understand that we're entering into some pretty unchartered territory as it relates to our our budget and you know in an organization where you really care about the culture it's much better of course this doesn't include agents because agents are held separately and they also have to go through this long runway of training before they are activated and able to get on the street so these are the non agent folks so we do have a hiring freeze underway and hi sharon and we're look we have green yellow red in terms of classifications for show it's kind of funny this is just our this is our budget sheet where we're looking at some pretty easy reductions that will we're looking at it's you know training and travel some of those that you can cut off without really harming the function of the organization and then when you get to the reds those are those have big impacts and certainly that would be a product of a lot of conversations with you and we're monitoring the budget really closely with the mills down with a lot of the restaurants down and with delmar it looks like our loss is about oh it's hard to say it's hard to say but it looks like through may um if things continue on the trajectory that they are right now it looks like we'll be about a million a million loss in revenue that's that's a really rough number it's just an estimate but that shows you kind of the scale of what we're dealing with so you know we are our reserves are pretty healthy we're at we're at who you are if you think they're healthy or to weaker that we're at about thirty million dollars reserves are meant for these tough times and that would be a tough policy question for you in terms of expending that reserves to help us through this so we're watching this really carefully and yeah so i just wanted to put kind of that reality check into you into this but we're hearing on the streets just frankly we're just really dealing with employees the fear the anxiety people feeling like they're exposed our police department we're changing our response to calls because we don't as i had said at the last meeting we're careful not to put police in harm's way i'm thinking a about exposure think a lot about the health of employees if you come to city hall the doors are locked so please call first and i'll come and help you get in or you guys have codes it's a different world here a lot of employees are working at home and any news on your end and then we'll go to charlie yeah i mean i think i think it's been great that are two of our main business associations i'll meet a connect and west colfax created some small grant programs that went out pretty fast i think they're they're back out i've heard from a lot of businesses that actually the forms are pretty easy to do once you get them connected and also unemployment if you're a sole proprietor or your independent contractor over the next couple weeks they're going to roll out some unemployment programs for those folks that traditionally could not get that so i think it's that navigation but i also it's a fear of folks who saved for a rainy day but if this rainy day lasts a long time they're going to be really struggling and so that's what i've heard from the business community and then the hospital's certainly and anita mccann this pp protection is an issue and we've done a couple of drives to try to help that the ceos of both lutheran and saint anthony communicate with the city they feel like they're equipped for what's about to come but without the proper equipment that is a concern and so we businesses know the need better than we then we do about what business is nee we also need to stop the hemorrhaging first and foremost i don't want people dying on the streets so we need to look at those kind of issues what is the worst immediate effect and attack that in the meantime let's start looking at making contact with our stakeholder groups and as soon as possible put together an action plan based on what they consider there needs to be and what our ability to support those needs might be but business better than we do and they know the community and the resources out there much better as well so i agree with dave also whatever's in place that can that we can use for a resource let's work through those groups i agree with charlie and lagina and others have said about getting those stakeholders together i know that adam and i have talked about there's a handful of those right away that you could go to whether it's just our local leaders of the local chamber get tom and some other people involved get them together right away and say hey what are you guys hearing what can the city do for you how what is it what can our role be in that outside of giving money which it's adams point if you have seven zero businesses even if a thousand of them were to request a grant i mean to give them each a hundred dollars as what a hundred thousand dollars and that's not i think the best use of our money i think  a better use would be i think i proposed or i mentioned all of you that are a community grant program which does those things as charlie was mentioning which is supplies the food those are folks that do that professionally they are out there in the field they know how to get the food to people and anecdotally you know what i'm seeing on the ground is our local food banks here are you know just here in green mountain they're seeing quadruple the amount of people coming through they're getting food so that's four times just in that one location and there are multiple locations around the city and so one immediate thing we can do that i think does make a direct difference in helping people is increasing that funding that we can get to them whether it's action center and all the other folks that we have on that list they have they have been vetted by the city already that's an easy win something that we can see a real difference in the decision that we could make would help actually feed people if we just do that increase but other than that i do agree with what dana and charlie it said about getting those stakeholders together i think that's another quick win that we could do just get them on the phone send them a quick email say hey we need to get you guys together get you guys on a zoom meeting and see what we can do and then the next time we all meet adam or or whoever can refer back and say hey this is what we heard from the business community here's some proposals excellent thanks dave adam go ahead and then i'll go cheap anita okay i agree with with everything that's been said and and i see kind right now like four categories one one is we have the power to lobby right we're gonna have to continue to use our collective force to lobby the state and the feds especially for localized dollars so i think that's one thing that we can do immediately if counsel says let's continue to do that the second part dave did allude to our grant program and so we already have those requests in place if there's an ask tonight for for kathy to go back and look at what what's in place what are those asks and could we potentially do a second round that said hey council we want our nonprofits that are specifically doing things for kovat nineteen to reapply for the second round that could be an easy way the third would be the economic development piece kathy could have robert get on the horn with with the folks in the community and start to work on what that looks like really reaching out to the experts and then the last is our communication piece as a city to push out everything we can you know the best we can if you're not on social media and you want to you know sometimes you'll see these little social media kits like with the census that are really easy and help you push stuff out that could be a good way for council to continue to push things out as well so those are kind of four things that i think we we could maybe look at some direction and i'll shut up great thanks adam anita how about you is at the root of the issue so that we should discuss how to bolster health and the needs of our health responders and facilities and then you know in that regard how do we compete with other states and that we even in these rough times we have to protect our democracy and so how do we continue to protect the public health while respecting the constitution and  providing checks and balances preventing overreach by government and this includes participation by public in our meetings avoiding open meetings violation avoiding illegal voting in place and the the final thing i had said to the mayor was in terms of crime because what kind of stood out to me was that just a few blocks from me there was a carjacking yesterday and  i think beyond just the health issues what concerns me is more the long term economic repercussions of what we're facing right now and so you we deal with that especially with the limitations we have budget wise and with our with our staff and and still maintain those checks and balances  so these are all very important questions and big scale questions that we have to deal with but i think it's good to just kind of identify them like we are here today i think that's great and and anita raises a point that is also coming up on our agenda at least on a council meeting part how are you going to carry on with with the democratic components of council meetings we can at least cover that part today some of those other big questions might be for another day i'd like to hear from sharon and then barb mike and ramey would love to hear from each of you and see if we can't give staff at least some near term action items to work on and then we can circle back to some of other our other agenda items so sharon you're up okay um something became very apparent to me today i went i had to pick up a few items at safeway and it was the safeway that i went to that was on colfax and to me there became it became very apparent there were almost haves and have nots in other words i had people getting off the bus i had  homeless people out there i had people who were hiding and i think trying to get a grip on something but what i noticed there was not so much the food thing but the actual safety we've talked about health they had no bandanas even they they had nothing to help protect them or the other and they weren't a lot of them were not practicing the social distanc either so i don't know if we can use some of those food distribution this is a very tangible for me some of those food distribution places to also maybe even hand out bandanas or something like that i don't think it has to be a formal mask i know i probably have about do to do to a business we used to have probably about two hundred and fifty i can donate i mean i would personally love to take them up to someplace like  the action center but i think we need to get those out to people too that's a very vulnerable population and if we can coordinate some of those things i think it will be work worth doing great thank you sharon barb how about you what are you thinking about specific actions for staff at this time well first i want to thank everybody else i think there's been a really good synergies around obviously we want to get the stakeholders together our business community our nonprofits and really understand where those core needs are i want to really commend though also the city staff for keeping our lakewood org slash order and l d org slash virus pages update and want to make sure the public's aware that you can go to them there's tons of great information continually being updated and you can subscribe and you'll be notified when the page has been updated maybe this it doesn't tell you specifically what and updated but certainly that's a key point i really also want counsel for us to be kind of thinking about ways we can engage our our public on the community we're seeing such amazing generosity on facebook and on next door and we may want to look at possibly counsel with some of our funds saying maybe we're going to do a matching challenge out there we may want to make sure that people who are sheltering and staying home at the present maybe they've got an employer who matches contributions and find ways to maybe even propagate out the list of nonprofits that we've already pre vetted where people can feel safe and comfortable that they're there ones who support the lakewood community and we can help fund dollars towards them i think that's a real meaningful way to engage our community through their employers and through maybe a city challenge and then even citizens challenging friends and neighbors really resources are gonna be what's needed for a lot of these folks like our action center which provides a variety of services mental health we want to make sure that people who are struggling can get those resources so i agree with what everybody said but i think very actionable things would be some kind of either information center or some place where we can help engage our community who i know wants to help in real meaningful well i thank you i agree with you know a lot of things that have been said lots of good ideas i mentioned in my email earlier today one of my concerns is our agents our police agents on the street i'm concerned about them becoming discouraged with the tremendous load that's put on them the additional risks that they are undertaking right now and how they may look at  say i don't know if this is worth putting myself and my family for the risk here and seeing hopefully not but uh a mass exodus of our agents and so i think something i think i would ask our staff to be aware of possibility and be trying to keep a pulse on what's going on in the department and if that you know means that we have to to open up the checkbook and to offer some sort of financial incentives for them to stick it out with us during these troubling times i think that's something that we'll be looking at so again public safety is my first concern and our agents on the street it is really nice that all of us are actually coming together in a state of unity with this i really appreciate all the good ideas that everybody's been bringing out there  i liked the idea about the stakeholders ring and they know they know what their needs are better than we do and we should be asking them getting out in our city of liquid i agree with adam about lobbying that's a big part of this and as neat alluded to in dc when you start to speak out they do start to listen to us that includes our ward newsletters to put our websites on it but those to me are our top roles i would caution that we look at actually giving an money or extra money any any entity whether it's nonprofit or whatever once you start down that road you can never back out and that's just the way it works with public policy and we need to see what the realities of our budget are first before we start getting excited it's easy to want to put money out there but we really do need to protect our core functions and remembering that our core functions are the police department and the safety of the community and then of course our roads and parks the budget meeting tomorrow and they're probably i believe going to be starting the conversation on looking at the priorities really taking a deep dive into the budget as kathy described it in her  her document there was really nicely done captain one thing i really want to put a shout out to nest and mita who has repeatedly been looking at and bringing up the point  protecting our constitution and that we do keep a sense of checks and balances that's been a concern of mine the whole way through this and i want to thank her for that and then i guess in closing for the community when you look on next door all the ways that people are looking at ways that they can help one another and what i have found is that small acts of to hear what you're hearing and see if we can't close this one up because we do have a couple other things to talk about before your next meeting dana go ahead thank you i actually wanted to ask kathy about the possibilities of expanding our grants and being able to offer some some funding to the action center to help meet this need right now is that even is that something that we could realistically do while still maintaining  yeah thank you so it's it's so it's really a decision that you would make and that's about thinking about preserves you are muted by hosts can you hear me yeah sorry i push the wrong button you're guessing that's okay i can tell you that the charitable giving program is under way this is a time of the year where people apply and i believe on april rd april th via a zoom meeting the committee will be examining and looking at how to allocate the one hundred thousand dollars that we have budgeted for the charitable giving program so these people these nonprofits as you know they have to go through a list of criteria and they have to meet the criteria and they applied for money this year are the total request is two hundred and three thousand dollars and the committee has budgeted a hundred thousand dollars these applicants are people that you're very or agencies and  nonprofits that you're very familiar with and i'll see a few senior resource center benefits in action sprout city farms boys and girls club the library like with arts council a family tree ralston house forty west brothers redevelopment eaton senior outdoor lab action center so we already have a list again that amounts to two hundred three thousand dollars in a request and we're budgeted at a hundred thousand dollars this program i believe is about five years old is that right that mary started and it's got pretty good criteria that's holding up pretty firmly so that might be a nice structure from which to start if you want to increase that that's your prerogative and handle that as you want but this is imminent the review happens again on april fourteen the other thing i wanted just to add is you know one of them the the most important things we can do in local government one of the biggest commodities that we have that  that we do naturally is we're really good at connecting groups together we have a capacity through our networks to help talk to help hear from our nonprofits what's the need do you need funds do you need good volunteering people do you need humans and they connect that with our constituents through our website because we have such a broad distribution and people that so many people look at our website so that's a that's a wonderful resource that we can offer to our nonprofits and that is talking to them understanding what their need is and then connecting that with the community to see do you do happen to have a lot of goods are you interested in donating can you donate your time do you have can help and it's a nice way to use your local government to be that conduit because the individual nonprofits don't have those resources that we have as a city so i just want to remind you of that and that's something that we're very willing to do and to help spread those those messages for the nonprofit's in terms of again back to in terms of those funding i think i read the budget stuff wrong it's we're at about them about a million a month don't quote me because we don't really know but that's what we're projecting so our loss so far by the end of may we'll probably close be closer to one five in terms of lost revenue so as long as this the virus the pandemic continues we're going to continue to fill those losses so that's just something to measure against in terms of in terms of actions going forward thanks kathy mindful of the time it's six fifteen i'd love to hear from adam and then jacob and then kathy would love to hear if you've heard some specific action items so council might give you a thumbs up on those that we can move on go ahead adam i just want to again thank everyone to charlie and anita certainly the the health right off the bat critically important and we have to somewhat be vigilant and sharing with our neighbors which is sometimes challenging to stay home right to follow these rules sergeant ailish said this on saturday on when he did the ward five meeting he said you know we wouldn't have to have masks if people were staying home right and so you are absolutely right and that's where that lobbying i think comes into effect to really work with the governor and work with our federal delegation on the respirators on ventilators but we can also do the local things where we've done these two drives and we had project hope that was part of one of those for the metro area so we can certainly continue to do that and on my phone call tomorrow for the jeff co food call i will make note of may be saying when we're giving out food if we can give out masks the homemade kind to folks that might be a good opportunity and i'll bring that up with them and then keep in mind the community first foundation does have the jeff co hope fund which is just on their first round of grants for people that are really on the front lines of this issue and so that is out there when we look at that again i want to test those four pillars lobbying the potential to look at grant not saying we have to increase our grant monies or our program but if we did what would that look like how would that weigh against our budget that's the second one the business kind of the collective of getting our businesses together and hearing from and there was some additional suggestions from other members of council as well jacob last thought before i see if kathy has anything to add before i pull you on where we are yeah i just want to echo what adam said and i liked his four pillars summary they did earlier but i wondered also echo the lobbying thing you know see is talking about direct funding to cities under population five hundred zero which is not happening currently it's all the money's been going to the state and then they allocate it the way they decide to allocate it but they're talking about lobbying for direct funding to cities as a backfill measure and i think should really get on that and help out with a lobbying effort so maybe we can get some sort of organization around that at some point but also just wanted to jump back to a little bit of what dana was saying about funding grants programs that sort of thing and this is a little bit more specific but kathy what role do you yeah do you think we could economic development fund to play i know we've had millions of dollars sitting there for a long time i'm wondering do you see any role where that might be able to help out in the community in some way that fund particularly  economic development is working and i didn't go over this but they're doing a lot of work individually with our small businesses reaching out helping our small businesses understand what our resources what their resources are and helping to connect those for example the federal stimulus package the unemployment they're doing one on ones with with our small businesses i want to remind you our top ten industries are our first  related by jobs our first is health care and social assistance that's where we have the most employment the most jobs at thirteen thousand and then number two is retail trade so who was hit really hard by this virus retail trade the third is public administration the fourth is administration and support and waste management and remediation services perfect fifth is professional scientific and technical services and then food services another one that's been hit really hard construction finance and insurance and and so on so those are our top jobs we also are looking at what what other cities are doing in terms of support to small businesses as i think was noted earlier with seven zero small businesses we there's some risk there if we were able to give them grants for the amount of money that might make a dent in their in their processes on that would be a whole big ticket for us and you'd really need to think about that that would certainly eclipse the economic development budget so i think there's certainly we should continue to work with them to work with our small businesses and do what we can to make those connections if you can think of other ways that we can help support small businesses we're happy to do that um it might be good to have robert here he's done this for a lot of years and to talk about some of the effort wants you to go ahead and work on those right away yeah i i like those i'd like the whole idea of the communication and and streamlining i think there's some other things that we can do and you know there's some communication experts on city council's so please feel free to reach out and when you see something that we can do better i mean help us tell me what can we do what are we missing when you're living in it sometimes you miss the obvious so if you see something we can do or if there's some inconsistencies please reach out and let me know or  go through ben who's responsible for communications i love the idea of getting a stakeholder group together i think that's really smart i think if we do a countywide two that's we can do it citywide but i think when we are able to open the doors again we should do we should think about a big promotion that says we're open for business coming and be together again as a city i think there's some really exciting kind of efforts that we can do which would be real uplifting and positive once the virus is behind us certainly not until then i need some direction on the charitable giving i heard that some people think be really careful about expanding that and increasing that budget remember hundred thousand right now do you want us to do want us to expand it or do you want to hang tight where we are and keep it at a hundred thousand so i need that direction because the eleven of you represent very differing opinions on that  and yeah and the lobbying and i think is really smart i think that's really smart take advantage of the power that each of you have as elected officials of a big colorado city okay friends its six twenty two i i think the best way to do would be the second round so we'll do the first round we have that meeting fourteenth and then i think we should for those folks that are gonna duke ovid related activities whether it's action center those are the boots on the ground directly helping people we should do another round of funding and i'm gonna ask for as much money as we can get to do that we're at a hundred thousand now it should be at least double that if not more but i think we should we'll take it one step at a time at least agree that there should be a second round of funding for those covent specific activities um i wanted to echo that i think that basically having around to what with it whatever that number council determines is appropriate but i think we're going to need that i think if we couple that with a really good solid outreach through one of our pages where we can connect people to giving as well i think if it's if we take a two pronged approach like i mentioned earlier where we're encouraging people to give through their employers or we're encouraging them to to give directly but connecting them so they don't have to wonder about whose services the lakewood community and who doesn't i think that's a good two pronged approach thanks barb sharon europe know i've disagreed with everybody after listening to the list  those people who have submitted applications i know some of them automatically would not be in serving those serving those kovan nineteen issues right now so i agree focusing on that and then perhaps the second second initial the second round okay great dana loved the second round and focusing on the cove it related i just want to say too i think this is different in my mind than looking at this small business grants which i think could be come from the task force and the stakeholders and all of that because a relatively smaller amount of money could have a tremendous impact on talking about people that don't have enough money to buy food and whereas our business grant i think it's gonna be a longer term conversation because as you all mentioned it's we just don't have enough money to split the pie and make a meaningful difference so i think this is an opportunity to make a meaningful difference okay thank you charlie you're up i agree with second round i would like am opposed to increasing our charitable giving at this time i think we need to owe the line for many of the reasons stated we don't know where we're at financially and i would say that perhaps one thing they might want to take another look at the priorities that they have with the funds that they do have they may want to give in our situation they may want to reprioritize those but but i do not want to increase the charitable giving it t understand when the list was read for the charitable giving that there are some that really would not fit in with the priorities of kovac nineteen right now i absolutely support mike however i would just caution you all that once you expand a program there is never backing out of it and we really need to be looking at our budget first and looking to see what what our revenues are what our priorities are now it's not the time to be expanding until we have a chance to really look thoroughly through that budget i would not support expanding charitable giving at this point thank you  you anyone else want to speak to that point don't see eddie kathy when i count noses i count a majority of council interested in having you consider that second round with an aggressive maybe communication push but it also does sound like a couple voices for really checking that against the budget and as you have more information about the budget and finances perhaps you could report back to council on the potential budgetary impacts of that that's all right yeah that does so why are we saying we're gonna build that program we're gonna alter it a little bit for the second round and we're looking at the same at the same level at a hundred thousand dollars the same level so i'd love to seems to me that we can do i keep hearing that once we put something in place we can't undo it this is a special circumstance and it seems like that we could be very clear and concise in that this is a for a one time purpose so can you speak to that i want to make sure i'm not looking to permanently expand something but i'm hearing from my community that's very concerned about public safety aspect of when people are hungry desperation  happens and so i'm very concerned that this is very public safety issue for me as well as a compassionate issue but i'm not looking to permanently change the program so can you speak to that yeah i sure can so we would run the program as it's always been at the hundred thousand dollar level with the people who have applied to date so the the committee will have to vet that through we've got two hundred thousand two hundred three in requests and they would have to vet that down to a hundred thousand happens every year and then there would be a separate program a separate one time offering and the criteria that's why mary's here because she's the master at this the criteria would be different slightly and it would still be serving lakewood residents they've been in business for this amount of time and and and so on but it would be around your priorities based on the current virus outbreak so it would be specific to that it would be a one time and you're not increasing the original charitable giving as i hear this you're not increasing it so that stays there'd be an extra one that would go out as a one time and then that would go away and next year it would be back to the same program one hundred thousand dollars charitable giving same thing so that's the idea so you're right it would be a separate program that's a one time a one year program god forbid we ever have this emergency again  hoping not great thank you uh madam you want to say something and then anita and then i would really love to pull the group and get some closure on this go ahead yeah i would just say certainly around one and two and you see the needs this year i'd be even willing to say fund what we have and then increase it and go up to just put an up to number four now because this is going to come back to us like an up to five hundred thousand and let staff look and evaluate what that might look like and what that criteria would look with voting and polling on this platform and it's why i voted no and a lot of things that our last meeting and i don't have a complete understanding of what we're talking about or you know has been budgeted for and it has been approved by council the disadvantage anita is this is your first year so you have the advantage of having done this every year for the last five years the new program would need to be approved by council but  we're just being right now it's just being formulated and i don't even know exactly how much that is yet and we have to put the criteria together so that would come to you in a formal meeting for a formal vote because it does take it does take a budget right the hands up the hands up today would be hey yeah staff bring us that information so we can vote on it during a business meeting is that right yeah yes and we would like for you to come up with the amount because one hundred came out and i just heard five hundred  there's a big disparity there so that's that's what i'd like you to agree to so that we can move forward okay and i'm gonna need real quick thoughts on this so we can get you pulled and get you to your business meeting charlie go ahead i'm is a bank question no this meeting is not broadcasted this dunny session after this will be broadcast though this is not a public meeting and all of this discussion should on we don't we don't always videotape our workshops and so i know but we allow the public to attend if they wish we publicize it and invite folks so this will certainly be on this is not on right now right forward i'm not sure we have time to get closure on that barb love to hear your thoughts um the only thing i wanted to bring up is that the agenda actually says to watch the council meeting live for  the p m meeting so my expectation was that this was being broadcast of the agenda does indicate so if it's not being that obviously you know what is is but certainly i think that maybe we can get closure on this by simply saying but there's a range that's been been proposed really at this point if we just get counted if we get the staff to take a look at this knowing that the range and all of this kind of more granularity would have to be decided during a meeting but in the future i want to be sure that if we're posting that it's a live meeting anyone who tried to attend isn't able to travel long and that certainly is something we need to make sure in the future that we don't miss post that which sets an expectation thanks barbara's so the suggestion on the table is by a show of hands you raise your hand now you are saying just to kathy please bring forward to council information and a vote on a second round of community funding with a range between one hundred and five hundred dollars kathy you'll use your discretion to bring that number i'm not asking you to do  with your hands and your faces in your window i would like for you to if you support it raise your actual hand eyes you've been doing for your questions i'd see a hand yes from dave i see a hand yes from the mayor i see a hand yes from jacob yes from dana yes from barb are there any other members of council at this time who would like staff to bring that forward okay kathy i don't have a majority of council have not voted to fund this you have indicated as you would during a study session hey staff bring us this information back so with that it is now six thirty you have a business meeting  twenty three minutes we have two items left to discuss one is clarifying those very specific forms i think that's a pretty quick thing and then i think you have a bigger discussion that this whole thing just raised related to how you gonna have meetings going forward how you're gonna take votes etc mister mayor would you be inclined to have us do a quick run conversation about those three forms and then save time maybe reschedule to have a really good conversation about democracy and virtual meetings oh i i think we can get through it all i think fast and i think that kathy's clear direction on the agenda and then there's the thing about zoo meetings and  what their purpose was absolutely and i didn't have another question the hand was just still up from a front before i wanted to remind counsel that during our annual planning session we had introduced of three new forms and those forms were going to be piloted for the next year and they include legislative priorities so if you have a legislative priority for two thousand and twenty one that you want to cue up there's a forum out there if something emergent comes out that you know it's an emergency and you need to get that in front of council that same forum will do those two things we also have another forum that is for legislative modifications that's remembering our quick wins maybe there's just a slight language change that needs to be done so that forum would kind of help facilitate that the third one that i want to spend just a touch more time on is our operational support and prioritization and that one i just want to make sure that the examples we provide them and put a little bit more context around those and then we'll certainly build out the website with this but we had gave some examples like traffic calming reconsideration and i want to make sure people know counselors know that that's if the conditions have changed we obviously have in place and i want to say this for the public's benefit we've got traffic calming that is for like requesting police enforcement requesting a permanent or a temporary a speed sign requesting  a traffic study related to putting in a speed hump a couple of those have actual resolutions associated with that have a very specific details and criteria with those but if there's a something that needs to be reconsidered because there's new information that'd be a good example another one is we said example of first snow removal prioritization i think it's important on that example for us to further clarify we have a whole snow removal plan that includes priority one two and three streets it talks through kind of how our residential streets are maintained and for the public i want them to know that our priority one two and three streets covers about two hundred and eighty five miles so no small task we also have two hundred and four miles of residential streets that are not part of that priority route so our citizens can go on to the website and if they know what the cul de sacs a particular problem due to some unique  event they can fill out that form or counselors can as well um it's important to note too that the state highways are maintained by c dot we don't take care of those if you were another example was expediting replacement of burned out streetlights it's important to know and will include this on the website lakewood only either owns or maintains about three percent of all streetlights so we would then be almost the broker for making sure that the  responsible party took care that so certainly council could put in one that we know about and if it's not one that lakewood maintains will take ownership of getting that over on communicating that to who does own it and the last one was request  inspections wanted to make sure it's clear that there's already processes in place very operationalized this would be to request something that has a very unique circumstance associated with it same thing with problem property so what we're going to do is on that third form we're going to just put a little bit more informational texture to those examples so is not to set the wrong expectation that we're changing operational priorities this is just a way to communicate to kathy miss hudson about things that may need some unique attention and then we can also point our community towards the website which lets them self help as well so i think that's a really quick run through i hope it's not too fast for folks i'll put all this into email and propagate it out through bc so everybody can see it thanks barb so this just to clarify for counsel that this is a reminder of something that you would already agreed to at the planning session stressing that this was a pilot thing that you were gonna try it for one year and then you would discuss it at your upcoming planning session and if you hate it then you can do something else and if you love it you can carry on but you did agree at that planning session to give this a run that idea and that and it supplants the whole request for council actions so folks need to look at the email that the mayor sent down it gives those three links it takes you directly to those those forms we want folks to use those because what it does is it separates our legislative responsibilities and then allows us a unique way to communicate with with kathy about operational issues that don't require the direct response system which means all councillors get notified so please reach out to me or dave we kind of help to put a lot of that together we can certainly answer and make sure you have the information you need to submit the request you need to but i think that's as far as we need to go tonight right so unless anyone has any burning burning concerns that need to be addressed right now it sounds like carry on with that and follow up with  kind of talked about the council priorities so i feel like that first item has been addressed did you want to talk a little bit about modifications upcoming agendas and meetings so i'll just say something real fast good the good news the mayor and people will have the same rules public comment three minutes they'll be able to state say whatever they want to say for their three minutes the mayor will have the other control and and we'll be able like he always does is to help people know when th three minutes is up we'll have the general public comment and then the public comment around each hearing i'm looking at the calendar to see what we have so we're gonna try it please be patient with us where there's always bugs but it seems like we're gonna test drive it a bunch of times it's next week the other the other concern that we've heard and we wanted to find a different way to do this the the voting that you do at a regular meeting luckily this isn't a regular meeting so it's on official bori but the voting that you do at a regular meeting right now on the zoom platform is it's it's hidden so it doesn't we don't have the advantage of that big board that we have at council chambers so what we we've been throwing around is this idea that you'd have kind of a double  so you vote on your on that little hand up thing that's that's a part of this software but also i'm actually barb and i were talking about what's another way besides putting your hand up you know it is there another way that you can vote with a card so either you know a dark card or a white card this is yes and this is know so that it's really clear to the public how you're voting to make sure that the voting is very transparent that's a concern because the public doesn't see how you're voting and it's only the people the host and all of us can see how that's happening so if you're in agreement we'll figure out a way to have two distinct things  down or red and a blue whatever so that and we'll send those to you by hard mail just card and that you can if you're in favor you can do this as well as voting online so it's a double but the public can see how you're voting it's very old school i get that but it's a it's a way to kind of increase the transparency you do like that idea can we do that if i could get a show of hands up yeah please try that charlie wants to say a thing before we do did i get it wrong so there's another check in because it is new so i thought that process worked fine okay i'd love to then i'll just pull you two ways the first question i had is shall we carry on with the current approach where adam you all vote online with your hands and adam calls out the vote if you raise your hand now it means carry on with adam just calling out the vote no cards i see adam scanned is up for that bards hand is up for that dave's hand is up for that sharon's hand is up for that do any other members of council want to support that anita's hand is up for that and jacobs hand is up for that and dana's hand so i think we're in good shape there so carry on with that i see mike also supports it so as long as y'all leave you hands up there for a quick minute so someone can do the roll call like it sounds like adam did and i have been doing that sounds like that'll be great barb also supports that cards as well anything we can do to provide more transparency okay and there are others rules that you could look into as well barb what did you want to say i wanted to say that you can see here that some of us had left our hands up from the previous one and that's the problem it has nothing to do with me thinking that anyone was doing anything they it just gives that other visual cue and make sure that somebody didn't accidentally leave their their hand up from a previous one because unless we're going to methodically then clear and lower all hands unless we get into that really good cadence which we could i just wanted to say i have no belief that anyone did anything wrong i agree with charlie but i think one more visual way it just makes sure that the public can quickly see where folks are at as well i guess my recommendation at this time might be that you do them both just to cover yourselves  crystal crystal clear there's no harm in the extra card it might be redundant in some ways but particularly while you're fine in your sea legs on the zoom and the virtual stuff what do you say we try that says do both barb says do both dave says do both annie says do both jacob says do both that sounds and mike says do both and dreamy has an actual hand up or you are you supporting doing both addition to your business sessions and you can do that and people can't participate just like sam as i said is is is listening in but she cannot participate i just want to let you know that that's a thing and ben said that that would be the plan going forward adam kathy whether other items that we need to discuss related to meetings at this time in your next eight minutes i'm lowering all hand i don't know if we'll be able to get through it but kathy does need some clear direction on the agenda right we've kind of changed our priorities and some folks want to just focus on this some wanna maybe look at other things and so i don't know i wish we could get that i'm gonna say maybe we can i will let you know that some communities of colorado are doing both they're doing all kinds of things continuing business and some are peeling it back so it's really up to the council but kathy doesn't want to get in a spot where she was you know why did you pull that why didn't you so there's a direction in seven minutes that we could give her and maybe we could take this up after general business in our study session as well tonight to continue the conversation maybe that's the best legislative big ticket things that we have on the agenda that have been there for before this emergency happened because we need to be focused i believe on that but also the operation of the city we we do have things that we still need to do and there's a distinction between those kind of the philosophical things the big discussion things whether it's g or something else that's different than saying that we need  approve this to make sure that a light pole doesn't fall on somebody because we still need to provide for the public safety and so we need to empower as cathy to make sure that it's those things that come forward to us but always w focus on our short term priorities that we started with at the top of this meeting but yeah we should carry on if we can at general business charlie how about you i agree with what dave said  hmm dana what are your thoughts and then i'll go to adam i agree with the comments before and if we can continue the discussion that's great i also just want to quickly thank  ensuring that we can have public comment at the next meeting i know that's been a really important topic i really appreciate that we're gonna be able to do that next time thank you excellent all right adam  tell us what you're thinking and we'll close it out yeah so like in the memo we were basically to our second readings right now right and so there'll be something there'll be a report that will give counsel the opportunity on those second readings do we need to do this now what if we don't can be voted up or down so going forward i think you're hearing really health safety welfare or cove ad type things that must get done should be on the agenda the executive sessions are scheduled and that's where i'm gonna want counsel weigh in to i personally don't think this is a good format for executive sessions and i would say if we have the opportunity to move those down the line that that should be considered as well and charlie i was certainly planning on giving a recap i think again because normally these workshops are done without you know i understand the public being here but normally we we record them and put them out just like the r etreat we didn't film live i think that's where this came from but we have that opportunity going forward so so adam it sounds like you will resume this conversation and get closure on it during at the end of your business meeting tonight  he will also give a recap of what we talked about at this time and then you all have a meeting to start here in three minutes is that right all right council great conversation tonight thank you for allowing me to check in with you on our planning retreat and thanks for just being so thoughtful for your community in advance of all the things that lie ahead i know that everyone appreciates it barb did you have one last thought before we jump to your business meeting please go ahead