people go through a transition i want us and all the life she able and i'm not going to say any more i'm going to let the rest of the people here we've got ben livingston and bill but again leading some educational process is that i think are needed to be heard across all of north america it's good to see you guys and i hope that we can go forward with something that will help get a program going across our states new thing so whoever e mails in the most intriguing question out has to show some knowledge of whatever the topic is in the question ok and then it expands on it and tries to come up with a concept that it is one member one vote activist cooperative meaning not cooperative in the sense that we distribute cannabis but in the sense of a traditional cooperation operative meaning that each person pays forty dollars a year to be a member of that person has a say in the organization and our core mission is tracking court cases where medical cannabis patients are being prosecuted we try to track those cases we try to tell people about them and we try to encourage people to show up and sit in court and bear witness with the notion that what happens in our courts can happen but it can happen without people watching and it can happen without people telling others what they saw that is are for mission and our core work beyond that we take on a dozen or more projects a year in support of rational drug policy and in support of the cannabis plant various projects we've taken on include legislative lobbying we worked on s b five seven nine eight which was a couple of hours ago the law changed to allow doctors and would literally send them regular communications that said by the way if you prescribe medical cannabis we will prosecute you and you will go to jail which is technically true because you can't prescribe medical cannabis you can only authorize it so they would use essentially a sofa and say well you can't prescribe it and if you do we're going to come after you and that would instill fear in these doctors so that in washington state at least there was a relative dearth of medical doctors that would actually authorize the medical use of cannabis because they were afraid of federal prosecution even though the federal government had no right to prosecute them according to the conan versus walters case which basically said doctors have every right under the first amendment to what did it matter what at the time there were a lot of bills in the legislature looking at cannabis there was a marijuana legalization bill which had just been introduced for the well i'm not sure of the first time ever but it was a pretty pretty newsworthy item there was a cannabis decriminalization bill which some people felt actually had a shot but there was a lot of are you meant in debate and focus on these two bills at the same time there was not bipartisan support there wasn't a great number of sponsors for these bills they were in our opinion not the most viable options to support and so through our process of essentially consensus building and meeting with our members and trying to decide what we wanted to support what we saw in this bill was that it had bipartisan sponsorship already it had both republican senate senators and democratic senators sponsorship it had been sponsored the previous year and it was in the second year of the session and it had already cleared a legislative hurdle it had already cleared a committee quickly and so it was in a much rosier position it was in a much better position to actually get passed and so in our opinion if we actually wanted to be successful that was the place to put all of our money all of our chips in our community was essentially looking at all of these other more high profile you know and game bills cannabis legalization cannabis decriminalization at the same time what we could have practically accomplished that year in our opinion was s b five seven ninety eight and we did and that was such a huge change suddenly went from doctors who were getting fearmonger by the d a being the only people who could be the gateway to medical cannabis in washington state to natura pat's nurse practitioners physicians assistants many of him most of him that do not have prescriptive authority with the da they are not getting constantly fear monger furthermore they have much less invested in their licensing and their education and you know just their business in general they have a much less to risk you know and so the notion of that fear sort of dissipated in the healthcare professional community washington state because all of these new health care professionals who had much less at stake could suddenly authorize a medical use of cannabis and that is essentially when you saw a great know how was it working in those states eyes sumit works great i assume if you can go get a medical cannabis authorization and find a health care professional who is not afraid to authorize your medical use of cannabis that that is a great thing so i would say that works great to be here but the doctors it sounds like they were relieved almost to to allow i don't i don't know some responsible they could've been left with them so they could make frankly more money and not just in staving off you know side effects or pain or those sort of things but it's actually a beneficial proactive medicine there are studies that show at least in lab rats and things a regular basis there expressed largely in your your brain as well as your immune system having these can be no i didn't your body is constantly triggering and and having those and cannabinoids systems triggered and plugged into and it's beneficial to have these in your body regularly and not just oh i feel pain you know i get benefit really from medical cannabis actually beneficial to have it in you regularly benefit from other ways to then smoking with our list of how they vote on a particular issue right now they can they can benefit from a vaporizer they can benefit from ingested cannabis they can benefit from topical medicines we're talking  in western washington which were federally coordinated before that there were raids in spokane which were federally coronated and they used the local police as well in the western washington raids last fall in a limpia and in the thurston county area as well as in tacoma and the pierce county area they were assisted by local police in the city of seattle the federal government executed raids and they were not assisted by the local police so in every way but seattle the local police cooperated in seattle the local police basically did not cooperate with the federal government and they'll tell what raids on what on access points on medical cannabis access points this is the new the new frontier in washington state used to be we didn't really have above board access points a couple years ago even you might even in a minute as well that going back to talking about raids you know there weren't a lot of access points even up till a couple of years ago and then there started to be  burgeoning industry in a number of places in seattle in tacoma in spokane and in the larger cities access points started sprouting up and this caused at least in some of these places  you know the verbiage around that and so in spokane we saw the first raids basically of access points there have always been patients getting in trouble there have always been arrest call them they're not so much been those spokane was the first and we had raids in western washington which were all on the same day they were in thurston county pierce county and seattle and then most recently there was an entirely local raid in bellingham executed by the city of bellingham against access point two they had essentially threatened to raid the ed revoked business licenses and threatened to raid them and then they followed up after the access points i responded with a protection order like i cease and desist or something trying to get the city to not be able to raid them the city before they c can be nice or sometimes a walk in you know they'll be nice about it they'll sit down the handcuff you they won't be mean to people or whatever in some cases for instance this is not an access point raid but one of our members will  i believe was two years ago in the city of seattle was raided in his home with submachine guns basically like an assault team entered his tiny tiny apartment an iraq war vet he was hit by a car as a pedestrian he's a good guy he's a citizen of our fair city because his neighbor complain that they smell pot they sent an officer out to smell his window on asset forfeiture called called them up got a warrant authorized and then took in a team to raid him for two pop plants then after realizing that this was not the sort of thing that they should be doing they said ok sorry we're out of here piece and they left meanwhile his door doesn't work like he's doors off its hinges my question is like what are you going to do to fix this man's door this guy's a vet he can't fix is door like he doesn't have a door for the night like what how can you leave and not put up with me you know i was so offended and what's more like they they literally had him on the ground with guns in his face semiautomatic weapon in his face over two marijuana plants in the city of seattle and this was just two years ago now because of this will called me and i was like wow that's a terrible like right after they left that's a terrible story i put him in touch with the media why i feel like that you know we work in different realms sometimes we can win in court but oftentimes very often we cannot win in court sometimes you have to work in another room you have to work in the court of public opinion or something or the court of media and so i put him in touch with the media and the stranger started doing a bunch of pieces on the ridiculousness of the situation and it ended up causing the mayor to convene a conference where they ended up changing the whole policy for the city and now all cannabis warrants must be cleared by one assistant police chief in the city of seattle every single cannabis war now we're at the half hour we're back now because like that music it's a quote from the greatest musicians of the northwest expect to see them at open mike afternoon about open mike giving now this is not necessarily see i don't know yet but it will be and we're recommending that you cannabis is a growing growing field goals commercially and it's expanding of course legally it's expanding within the medical community it's expanding within the people who can benefit from it and it's just a growing burgeoning field and every step of the way there's going to be legal issues along the way we were just talking about poor gentleman and what his door kicked in and all of the trials and troubles he went through for having to medical marijuana plants and when we were after camera i asked at the break i asked him whether or not he had his green card so to speak his authorization for medical marijuana and then can you dressed up yeah he certainly did and so like we were talking earlier a lot of folks have medical cannabis authorizations in the state of washington and that provides them  the that provides them the opportunity to possess great medical cannabis as well as to designate another person to possess and grow medical cannabis for them  that is not necessarily a legal right per se that is actually what we call an affirmative defense is technically illegal in washington state all cannabis possession use manufacture transport all all of these things are technically illegal both under federal law as well as under state law in washington state we don't have lee well medical cannabis we have an affirmative defense to cannabis charges which means that if you have the  great benefit of being stopped by the state arrested prosecuted and you go before a jury of your peers you can tell them that you are guilty but you have a reason and if the jury of your peers finds this reason compelling and you more correctly fulfill the statutory  requirements of r c w sixty nine fifty one a you will be found not guilty by reason of affirmative defense this is a huge burden to go through to defend oneself and frequently in washington state what happens is wound foresman use the process as the punishment in washington state law enforcement have the right to stop medical can to once they determine that they have canvassed to seize their cannabis to arrest them to put them through the ringer and they oftentimes do simply because they have that right and they recognize that at the end of the day these people have a legal affirmative defense and they will not be convicted in court but they don't care about that and so they're going to send them through the ringer anyway so that they can feel that band even though at the end of the day they know they have take their medical cannabis authorisation their paperwork which allows them to possess this with a defense which if they don't have in the future and they're caught again without it they will be successfully prosecuted sometimes they'll actually seize their paperwork as well as their campus and they'll say ok well see if they care might get some in the mail and sometimes frequently you will see in the mail a couple months later a month later charging papers essentially after cannabis possession and so sometimes that sometimes i'll just take your stuff we had a case a couple weeks ago of somebody in tacoma who was a passenger there actually a passenger in a vehicle that was pulled over for speeding the state patrol who the state they see the medical cannabis sees the paperwork arrest the passenger taken down to the station end up sending him out his way not putting him in the cell and sending him charging papers later now he has every right to because you know he's a medical get it was beijing but he had to go through all of this and what's more he doesn't know how all this work he shows up at court he's facing in this case a misdemeanor thankfully in most cases it's a felony that people we deal with are are dealing with so he shows up he has no idea how this whole system works the courts are generally geared to make it hard for people you know they don't know what they're doing he has a public defender and ultimately in this case thankfully the prosecutor sad that this was a ridiculous case and they ended up dropping it but in a lot of cases when you're in that situation and you're facing a felony for manufacture distribution and you have no idea what to do in your next natural county and you've got a public defender and maybe they're there maybe they're not and it's a pretty oppressive feeling it's a pretty heavy weighty feeling for somebody to be in that that's that is relevant to the case if someone is absolutely ballast against the use of marijuana whether medically or otherwise that's certainly a relevant question and you and your guests like yours like them and the other thing that we're learning from all of these discussions that we've had in various nights here is that most people don't know about any of this i've read and there's a mass a lot of people who don't even know that we recognize medical marijuana and and this whole concept of  why should there be it's between you and your doctor your health care choices are not between you and the state government tween you and your doctor but just for just for its height it should be like a driver's license in some sense that th where law enforcement say and so here is the answer to that is that in two thousand and ten we changed them because when we first met said this they said i do not know whether or not are valid you know this bad pain i don't know if this is legit i can just call the doctor all the time and see if they sign the thing and say what the legislature did in two thousand and ten was require that all these authorizations be on tamper resistant paper which is essential like prescription paper but it's not it's just all the different thing and so bad at first but now i have a little heat stamps that they can use they have anti copy stuff that they can use to tell this is real that's more if they wanted to they could use the laptop in their cars in the car to look up this doctor to see if they're actually licensed the fact of the matter is patients are not forging medical cannabis authorizations this is not a real issue in the state of washington thirteen years ago to tell you that this is the of the people but this is what we as a citizenry of washington state demand of our ground force me and if you can't respect that you can't respect the citizens of washington state you know i want to point out we were talking in the legislature with one of our senators he was sponsoring legislation this last time and we have said that medical cannabis is a local issue it's marja county by county issue it has to do with your local law enforcement has to do with your local prosecutor and your local cops out they feel all about it and so if we we need to tell america police the medical cannabis is an avalanche and it needs to be respected and the answer i  legislator was well then we can't we can't legislate man force in a culture as i said we need a cultural shift among foresman culture we can't legislate law enforcement culture prescribe me that means if i'm in a terrible car accident my body is going to science so i don't think it's so far removed and i don't want to show all this personal information but the little detail here is a little insignia from the state that would be so bad it would be so far removed to make it as about your organization how they contribute they help they contact you folks out of people doing so the best places to get on are you know a list you can go to w w w dot cdc that's cannabis defense coalition c d c data collapse you can sign up for our weekly  is really formative ironically i've never tried marijuana although i see the need for it in this state from a tax standpoint to raise revenue oh it's just it just makes sense from the state it's not a new tax it's actually a way to generate a huge economic development in the state bill's going to d c attorneys are to handle it that is going to go on to educate people how to show up for your friends that are arrested and incarcerated it is the court of public opinion when you stand up for people around you and that's really powerful that's what this country was founded on one more thing a public ok well this is a special all the life segment patricia super host of coffer investigation is the party that's we're listening to in the second here in the segment and i'm going to bring up her name here patricia votes voting and things like that what works for rick we're exploring is the idea that we can look into how we can create broadcasting and how it may influence things in this country how we can help things different ways pat well we did was show that the native nations groups don't have judicial systems apparently a lot of them don't from i understand there's about four hundred eighty two of them but if we're looking at creating a broadcasting system the ties into issues across the chris potentially now that we're archive dot com that we will be able to be able to consider a broadcasting system that could be linked in anywhere in the world and contacting groups even means by which we can broadcast across the country presentation on our public access groups and maybe there's a need for native nations network television patricia you're part of the could sue indian right am i right any way to go and we do not have to make it complicated if you're familiar with the judicial system of law court the jury makes the decisions the juries for chief financial officers no pun intended on the word chief of course c f o's and this is part of the reason why chief financial officers and c e o s make lots of money is because this is potentially expensive going to come out of former chief paul spicer's pocket book of a million dollars and it's not a joking matter what he did is he signed checks theoretically when he was chief and when he was not chief at the same time and this is where the common law part comes in pat was talking about he wrote forty to fifty checks of somewhere around the vicinity of twenty thousand dollars for seve for people that he had fired that he that he fired so i think part of the solution is for the chief financial officers if there's any type of the election going on make sure the day before election you start with a double signature requirement and then you tear up the checks at the end so you don't have a problem of somebody else saying no i'm still in charge and they write a million dollars worth of checks the common law part came in  where the co pilot here in this article from tulsa world birdsong said that's the new chief person who said the court order is not valid because the tribal court created last august was abolished june seventh and when you have common law people and especially if you refer back to article four section four united states shall guarantee to every state in this union republican from a government which is forces coming from the people but the tribes on the so they have to abide by that yes and it just seems like a hopefully we can do something to make a difference and meet people where they specially tribal members that can vote and make a difference in their tribes and