it welcome judy i think you have the on the show pleasure to be here or for that is out there who are not familiar with what a shame on a practitioner does when don't you tell us all about it ok donna  is a person like a shaman when you think of our ancestral medicine people or ancient healers who can alter their consciousness using percussive sound and go to the inner worlds to the world of non ordinary reality and in that place the dream time some people call it connect with the compassionate helping spirits that are all around us helping us the power animals the angels the spirit teachers whatever kind compassionate benevolent spirits that help us be in this body we make relationship for instance with my buffalo my sea lion my eagle by continually connecting with them in this inner world and they work through us to bring healing or information into the ordinary reality that we see in front of our eyes well you know you're you're like in this date the vessel between  yeah those are my practitioner becomes the instrument that the spirit is going to work through ok they're up there on the other side and we're here in reality and they can come into our space and work with this or i can talk to them like i'm talking to you you know there i need your help and i get information wow and the same in beginning the healing practices of my practitioner well there's there's two things we do one is divination giving information from non there are ordinary sources and the other is the actual d for a few minutes to get me into that place and then i would ask to see your spirit and i create a temple space in the inner worlds where your spirit will then appear to me and however you appear to me is giving me information and i can see who your helpers are you know if you have animal helpers angel helpers and stroll spirits with you and then i would ask them what healing does donna need and they would guide the process i just get out of the and those are three of the healing modalities that we use that bring the spirit body into harmony when we have to see we are out of balance we're not in harm  harmonious mind body state mind body spirit scuse me don't leave that out yet and so we help to bring the spirit body back into a harmonious state and then the emotional body in the mental body in the physical body can follow suit that's fascinating no is this what you would refer to as the ordinary reality is this what you go into non ordinary reality is that dream time k or that meditative state depending on what kind of a practice people have where you feel you are in there and connected or out there as the case may be and connected to your power your source your guidance whatever language people relate to that's fascinating we call them we call the helping  spirit helpers or allies their spirit allies so does everybody differ when you're when you're working on a client they do they all differ as to who they bring in we all have them and the power animals the angels and the ancestral spirits will give information for example if a spirit were to tell me that  you had experienced trauma and needed a sore retrieval and there is a wonderful book by sender in government called soul retrieval and what happens is when we experience trauma physical or emotional or mental a bit of ourself our inner g can take off to take some of that pain away so that we can stay in the body and go on living and it's like you're in this place and then all of a sudden you can deal with it but where that go and it's so interesting yes so during the so retrieval ceremony or  i would connect with one of my helping animal spirits who is an expert tracker who would then take me to find any last parts of your soul that are ready and willing to come back and help you at this time that are ready to be back with you and one two or three so parts we may find a soul part it's just energy i give you saw it's pure form should be a ball like an aura move in that we're bringing back however it has information and when we're doing so retrieval will see it we say oh let's see i see a two year old there and you really have unhappy you've been crying in your out in the tree and in the yard in the backyard someplace and then we start to relate to that little two year old spirit find out what's going on what happened and i'm talking to you so you know what's going there any more and so we may get a second one or third one and then when we are already we come back into the room and i transfer the spirit energy that i'm life into adam to bring his spirit into his body it's a long tradition of transferring spirit with the breath and so that's what we do because i don't want to hold on to any of you i want that all to be transferred to you and then there's a little more to it but and then we we dialogue see how you relate and then we do a little guided imagery so that you're going to meet up with sort of so to speak in your own inner space those spare parts that have come back with you and then over the next four to six weeks th that energy will become integrated i remember when i have my first solo retrieval you know about twenty years ago i was sitting out on the lawn looking up at a tree at these leaves like i'd never back things like still feel myself you know just i keep having bad luck are i just keep making the same mistake those kind of things now that calms down goes away since you have more of you back you know you're able to deal with whatever you're dealing with in life from a stronger more powerful position that's a fascinating journey so fascinating to me you i'm in it and i'll make sense you know all the different types of modalities there are you know for healing and you know we talk to psychics and we talk to you know all kinds of helpers that t ry to do that kind of work but it seems like you're incorporating all the different aspects of the animals and the angels and the intuitive and all that to bring it all together that's very cool pick up you know those little darn you you know yeah right they go on i felt that i felt that so energetically they're working their way in to your space will merge with the power animal actually invite it to energetically come into my body and then as i run my hands over you i will feel the hot places or the prickly places where those intrusions are and i see them in my shin monic vision like something icky and then i'll put my hand in that space it's round your knee put my hand there and all i'm asking then what's this all about and it'll give me information like oh i got it used to run track when you were a kid and somebody was jealous of you and want to trip you up and through something that you that's still stuck there you know and sometimes people will say well yeah i have pain in my new whatever from time to time so then we go in and pull that out and it's properly disposed of we don't just throw you know probably disposed of in the energetic garbage can and removed from your space and so we would go down your entire form finding all the little barbs and getting them out in then feels like whatever it might be you know and a lot of times these little barbs are in the shocker system as well so that then the shock grows can start to flow more  smoothly and strongly when this is removed so bringing the spirit body into harmony if you're taking out there and bringing back self how interesting how long does this process take proximately i do a ninety minute session and that's long enough to do the basic divination sometimes the divination goes into a reading people want to know this then the other they start asking questions and so we might spend a whole session on the part of it they want to know what their power animals are they want information from them and sometimes a deceased relative will show up they want to that could be some of their hurt their needs healing you know they want to  communicate and so i pass the messages back and forth the net and then like i say i would ask the spirits what does donna need and they might say the works and then the next time you come back we do an extraction healing or a soul retrieval depending on what the spirits are saying is uppermost and if you happen to have another spirit with you who's not spose to be there we take care of that first  as in into t v remove all ok sometimes people come in not everybody sometimes people come in and they're having you know they're having difficulties and it's just not quite them and i understand in this modern scientific gauge you know spirit possession you know people don't believe in that however those of us who go into that place inside more people we see this to the upper world lower world if that's where she wants to go let me talk about the show moment cosmologist too but we get that spirit healed get it out of the earth prepared this beautiful altar here can we talk about that sure it's a little bit this don't speak to me i'm a real i'm a real stone person and in my alters and everyone will be a little bit different even in my german circles my workshops but i have were lined up on the north south axis here so we have the four directions north east south west we have i'm recognising the various kingdoms of earth and this is a tech tight which is formed when an asteroid hit the earth so that to me represents the star nations and what incorporating those sorts of cons into a focal point for creating sacred space ok so as i start to put my altar off and it's on the floor you know in german circles and put in my altar up i'm starting to go into that place where i'm going to teach or i'm going to heal that sort of thing so that's our focal point and people will come they'll put stuff  it's fascinating and what i like about what you're what you're imparting today is you're incorporating everything you know and that's how i know we don't we're not going to go into the whole background but how long have you been studying formally since about ninety five ninety six really getting into it starting to study with other teachers  then you learn how to maneuver you go inside and here you are now how do you get down to the lower world well what's the lower world while that's the realm in an ordinary reality where the earth d and the little people live the power animals you journey down a tunnel a tube a tree root into the lower world you think of the tree of life you know which trunk is right here in the middle world its roots are going down into the lower world its branches are reaching up into the upper world the earth the living space we have and the  the heavens the subconscious conscious super conscious and so there are there is a technique there's very few rules so from integrity and humility yes but there's a few world's to keep safe to go in into that space going sending your spirit down into the lower world to meet with your power animals and coming back or sending your spirit into the upper worlds to meet with your spirit teacher we find our spirit teachers and joe would be ascended masters in what we call the upper world or of the heavenly realms most of the time however you know all those one you can go up there and you can find your power almost too but basically when you begin studying shaman ism you learn lower world middle world upper world how to travel journey as we  down and back up and back and there's a few tips and techniques that we need is because you want to make sure your entire energy comes back your all of your soul comes back or not you've left something there absolutely there that's a that's an interesting phenomena that happens when you start to journey is sometimes you come back and with me you know although cancer i don't know what's going on here you know my teacher it all ok lay back down and you go back into the journey state and then you call yourself back completely and you sit back and open your eyes and you're all here ok  with some people it can manifest as just a slight irritation like you know like what's going on you know like lay down let's get you back in there and then you pick up the drone put the drumming tape on use the rattle put them back into it or yourself back into it and then come back out again would you like to hear the journey beat on the drum i would love to ok and then we're going to give it to your information thinking that was painted by a local artist named jim sharp great unfortunately we're getting close to running out of time but i want everybody to have your information ok so we'll put that up on the screen and  practitioner here in sacramento and my telephone number is nine one six five two four to five nine zero you can find me at connection paranormal connection errors the first and third thirtieth of the month at nine thirty p m following ancient wisdom comp asked channel seventeen in sacramento county our companion show paranormal insights airs on the second and fourth thursday of the month can also watch us on line go to access sacramento dot org and click on watch seventeen encores of each show air friday at one thirty p m and saturday at five thirty am contact me a paranormal connection t v at g mail dot com and check for coming information on all of our guests at paranormal connection t v dot blogspot dot com join us on facebook just search for paranormal connection become a friend become a fan w to keep with them for the rest of their time so that they can sort of sort of like keep keep their do their own meat and so on themselves it depends on how far they want to go how much they're willing to you know to invest in learning the process it can be learned very quickly usually ensure monic yielding the practitioner is doing the work for you but people who do learn to journey and create this relationship with their helping spirits then can get back kind of assistance to get the healing help ok that they need but the practitioner goes to a practitioner also you know if the doctor needs a doctor some time we do ok now i know the dream state is different when you're when you're doing your healing and what about the d sleep dream state when you're sleeping are there times when you're leaving fragments of yourself and other places while you're in the dream space when you're asleep that's a good question i would say it's possible  to the same kind of you know going into that lucid state we've got a couple minutes left what else would you like to let everybody know about what you do well i do teach i teach  journey and i hold what we call drumming circles which is a place where we can practice together we drum we create sic it's a sacred space and we do a couple of journeys in the evening and then we have dessert miss and i'm getting the healing circle growing and i do have scheduled to sherman camps in the high sierra one is an actual workshop where people will be journeying  three to six times a day you know really working with the spirits of nice nature the spirits of the trees the land the rocks the animals that are up there at five thousand feet and the other camp  different camps going on ok and then on that information will be on your website it'll be on the website i'm going great well in the minute we have left do you have any parting words anything that you'd like to share any proles of wisdom any pearls of wisdom it's all in you as we know caray once you get connection with your helpers they become your teachers great and you have it right there thank you so much  becoming our guest tonight and i want to thank my my fabulous crew for coming out voluntary in their time and with that we're going to say good night