and i went to hunter college for a while i wanted to be a writer i started in manhattan aviation and then they moved out to queens in the middle of that because i really wanted to be a politician i thought you had to go to a v a ssion high school and my god and counselors and junior high school didn't do such a good job in the south bronx but i just want to say something about the new york and my growing up breviary you know you know at the time i went to a place called kaufman junior high school in the south bronx  we lived in brooklyn and queens and when the patterson projects opened up in the south bronx brand new we thought we were going to heaven and my mother moved and by the time i got to junior high school i had a teacher named george patrick sweeney i always wanted to look him up and may god bless him and rest his soul if he's not recalled but he was in law school and he needed to take papers you know he was doing research for the law for something and teach in junior high school and he taught me how to read the new york times taught me how to fold it and told me that if you're going to go anywhere in life you've got to read the daily papers because you've got to know what's going on in the world and i wonder how  teacher you know some teachers have a job and they do it but other teachers tried it and plant ideas and then you don't think that's right and i really and he really helped me and how i got close to him i knew in the subway system i was young but when i was young in the bronx i used to shine shoes down forty second street so i knew all of the train the days that is rain we'd open caleb doors and so he said i need somebody knows how to go down to lower broadway and i raise my hand you know you're  that and i read the article and i was fascinated by it and one of my friends challenge me to go to a meeting and i went to a meeting and at that meeting and decided that i wanted to get in because it was in the height of the civil rights  and sixty five after the death of malcolm so he had to end the book but what is interesting for your listening audience so your viewing audience i should say i'm a radio prison yeah is that alex haley when he came out of the coast guard he was writing biography is on the written want to period put to my life he said but however malcolm why don't you let him write about your life so that your life can read a testament of the power of islam in your life and how it you know turned you around islam his influence affected every aspect of black life in america and mohammed ali who made an impact on the entire world and malcolm x today it's minister louis farrakhan got  he said he wanted him to be in charge of the movement and he went through a lot you know from the one nine hundred thirty four by one nine hundred forty two when doing the height of world war two they didn't want him because he teaching what he was teaching picture of that and it was from the race discontent within much of the black community it was more than deserved in this nation where treatment and you know to wait and that i look at it after fifty one years being involved in this struggle  wanted but we are spiritual people so we look for direction to get justice and would a spiritual base ok that would just put you in my mind oh it's  society those who were in prisons in america many people go to prison they say they committed crime but when you look at the number of the port the disproportionate number of black men and women in the field and we're not all criminal  so the people have to say well what is it about the society that we have produced that produces this phenomenal situation where we have the largest prison population in the entire world well it's called prejudice and segregation we lived in  apartheid nation at least and so we do in a way and they stop and frisk is still being done and hollered alarming regularity and the prisons are full of people of a black skin going to trade between the blacks and hispanics in the prisons in america yeah  and these are private entities then they have to make money you know what it is shares can grow and the way you make money is to put bodies in those prison cell time it creates jobs in some rule areas we're not farming and it's really a dilemma and it's a shame i want to merica because i travel throughout the world yeah and if you asked the average person do you know how many men and women are locked up in the prisons in america the average person would turn around the world and that it would be around the world they have no  that at the core of dem is this race idea of a black man in the white house he has to be a one term president he has to be the worst president in the history of america well made as that's what they want to go down as we from college met i think of his not for sure i had a friend you you are a pan african this you're interested in africa your radio program is about that you've lived for some twelve years i think in the country right gonna and we had a mutual a student at how troubled we he was he didn't he was a fireball and when he invited malcolm to address the students yes howard university which was great yeah but by one nine hundred seventy two that's actually i met him  they had in africa the francophone countries in that they had to begin to let them go also the call offered them a deal to remain a part of the great a french community and in other words france will look out for y a asked me whether i want to remain his slave i want to be free yeah yeah so at fifty eight they decided they were going to go for freedom and the french that will bring them to the needs and stripped out that telephones took everything and they survived yeah and i and never forget one thing that i repeated often in my lectures yeah talk about in one morning he had to leave gonna to go to sierra leone to do a lecture at the school in freetown ron and we had to get a early morning flight is called the west coast flight it stops in each low country stops in cote d'ivoire in a stops in liberia then it goes to sierra leone and the flights there are always booked with just the way that people used to hustle the right time that is book that i may be able to when i came down he's calling me and i can't he said what do you do and i said i'm upstairs praying and i'm asked in our law to bless you to get on this flight and so he said well let's go we got to go and i said because he had told me when he first came to my house when he said conakry you were there for that yeah i was in there with bob there was bob bob was there and members of the party but it was it was a wonderful spirit and he was a pad i had the all revolution all people's revolutionary pan african a native more recent experience what they're trying to get the beginnings of the united states of africa that our men moammar gadhafi had proposed and so forth how do you stand on all of that and about the continent of africa and having had all that long time experience there well you know you know history tells us we came from africa to america all in the holes of slave ships well with all due respect let me just say i'm a person  thousand years ago and they've got that down pretty much chapter and verse in terms of how homo sapiens all one species came to be on this planet in the evolutionary process the lead that was homo that was that was that was an earlier home annoyed up the home annoyed line evolutionary expression well we'll have to talk about because i need to study some you can add into the family that's chapter and verse that's a way out of it anyway but they came out years to ethiopia there was an individual traced to me ethiopia sixty thousand years ago on the y chromosome you could have it done and i think they're going to get it down to where they're going to that would everybody know that they can get a picture of the tremendous love africa ok travel in the forty one of the fifty three fifty four countries now with the emergence of southern sudan but in this travel i could see the idea that dr yeah who is the in dog been called he's a forty two year dictator but this is the language and being that we don't have a knowledge of certain things he gave it wasn't his original idea but he there's such resources there that's when it's such a potential that that's and that's where the show dan has been under constant attack not because it's a state sponsored terror is not because the problem with tween the north and the south because the tremendous i was blessed to be there for the inauguration of the african union he kept moving it was the african union that run the organization of africa that's right yeah and he was the difference  nkrumah had the idea he didn't have the resources to implement it the way he saw it and by the time he began to move and really had an impact on the african continent america engineered a coup and he was because in the height of the cold war the scramble for africa yeah and the in a day we had emerged in africa from under colonialism yes then the socialist path was most attractive so that we could control the entities of state the the mechanism of state to social reforms because we couldn't start a capitalist society and here you had tremendous poverty the  riches of the country was being taken out of the country by foreigners and they exploited the people so they had to have that but america and the western world was bad land that they could maintain control with p but it showed the ability of the libyans the fight the italians who you know i mean they were european power now but they were determined to be free and what the lesson that i think we should have learned but you know that axiom in history those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them when people are determined to be free i don't care how mechanized your army is i don't care what you have and vietnam is a classic example they would term determined to fifty eight thousand united states are citizens there were three to four million southeast asians that guildea live member napalm napalm they were burned to the bone right and wipe out whole it was on godly tell a lie you told it long enough and repeated strong enough people believe the lie to be the truth you have a let's remember that he was an anti imperialist the first thing he did i think after taking power about two weeks after or before no but after our friend richie havens sang freedom to kick off the woodstock festival right in that moment right which was there was woodstock sixty nine sixty nine august fifteenth sixty nine and then revolution ok i went over there in one nine hundred fifty four wheelers baby i went through north africa and it went through that country then but i mean so he was an anti imperialist right and he called closed down willis and tobruk the british base an also east of the country and then he also did a lot of thinking that he came up with an idea for organizing a society they had had very very bad statistics in the human development index they had been treated badly by the european colonialism so we had low ninety five or something they had gone from being of some of the very poorest people on all the statistics to the top of anything in africa you know literacy going from fifteen percent to ninety six percent men and women education everybody he got money to where they could buy their own home they had their own automobile they had a universal education universal health through the government so there's got to be a lot of people who just had a material level would have to celebrate how much  demonize feed ok yeah yeah they would and even though he produced literacy across cuba he free hospital care free education homes and so forth they would say that he was terrible they would say they would attribute no good i did for the island of cuba and this is what bothers me now i can speak because i first went to libya in seventy seven seventy and i'm ok oh well that is way back the script that james baldwin had written and he fell out with columbia because james baldwin you know has his temperament and he felt that he wasn't being treated right on the script that he wrote on malcolm's life and alex haley suggested we produced a film ourselves but we needed another and it's you know yeah so they that would be like the bay of pigs that they're coming in from egypt yeah and i think there were there was secret they were under undercover cia dia kind of blow getting absolutely i mean it goes back to eighty six when the when the libyan opposition that was based in egypt britain and the united states and when they thought they were going to kill gadhafi in eighty six and see war hersh did the best piece on it when he wrote a piece and w on at the house you know where they got the thing and in tripoli and he was there in a cart and i think he had been wounded in the bombing which killed on a mr reagan or you know and then it shows you how the lies go i mean the corporate media don't last some time allow all and to all and they said that when this recent revolution thought they said there was no little girl named hama who was killed in the bombing that this was something made up i read this i said yesterday they're now being sent in to all of east africa they read they're being bought and we're being covered with predators and they're doing in pakistan they're doing it in other parts of the world it's a horrible kind of thing that they're doing and they attacked mr khadafi and now and they're saying it's terrible and they had this revolution abd i don't know if it could be yet he had after two thousand and three would say he had some try are a lot of in political centers of power and so forth but he he he set up this he set up this very unique kind of a situation in that in that in that country of libya and it may be at a political level they thought he could be a threat it seems absurd other than just it's an imperialist grab in their imperialist traditional way of the oil and that kind of thing well it may but they could have been a threat to them at an ideological level possibly because of the way he organize that society popular culture pop popular press pretty but you're a democracy people did meeting halls for everybody is a very progressive idea right  sector like the soviet he wasn't a soviet communist or anything like that he set it up a private sector let it be there in the thing that's really revenue delusionary perhaps member you and i were just reminiscing they got signs everywhere like partners not wage earners that's right they let the public they had a private so you can have a private sector but the people who make up the business had to be the owners of the asset base of the poor of the private sector and right here if i may the traditional thing is what is it's crazy you've got an ownership class that owns all the assets and the people have no ownership of the core of the private sector assets at all right he was setting an example where the capital should be formed in a way where the people get ownership of the assets and democratize they're now one of right to be democratized ownership so you can have the principle of the private property could be valid sake you could even system that's good for all of history just like the i say said that to feudalism after thousand years after rome he was ahead of history because we don't have a system that can distribute demand and buying power to the people when the technology can displace the labor import and they should have all they have to have a way of dealing with that very issue how are you going to get demand in the hands of the people to let the technology and deliberation come down that is now possible to offset the fact the weapons in our species le l can you follow all that scientists a moment and he might have been seen as a threat at some deep level of the thinking of the people in the cia dia and that kind of thing in order to pull off this attack that they're doing now is disgusting green book they try to make out it's some crazy theory that he came up with but they haven't studied it i've read it over and over again and one of the parts that is disturbing to many of them and even some of the arabs who have a problem with race africa idea launch that and mandela loved him absolutely and then his section on women you know you know lennon wrote the liberation of women but he talked directly how women should be handled and treated in a society and when in the face of a lot of traditionalist who culturally they keep their women behind so there are certain things that he calls its area and then when he talked about just what you said the democracy you have to put to support in democracy you have to make   with my experience in africa is that he had one of the finest oils in the world the oil bonnie light crude oil found in nigeria and libya the very fact that the west begin to open the door to him but when the so called arab spring came they saw it as an opportunity to feed his opposition support them i mean they printed all of them flags and so forth and support them to accomplish what they tried to accomplish in one thousand nine hundred eighty six yeah libyans have been killed in this seven months since this started most of those libyans that would kill will not kill by moammar gadhafi no they were killed by the nato bombing that said that they will come in there to save civilian yeah and they end up killings of the well it looks like imperialism to me come with all kinds of overweening elp air power things like vietnam or something and there's going to have to be among the people of libya a considerable support if not the people of africa i think there's a great deal of support among the people of africa or anyone who represents the masses the people who are being exploited in the world seem to cotton on to the example that mr momar khadafi was setting way so most people are only interested in those who are rich and powerful that's the only interested they seem to have interest in they're not interested in anybody trying to help the people because it's not thought possible or is not chiva will this system wisdom schools have always said take care of the political leadership is all plutocrat they can twelve star of those taken care of those who are rich and powerful and they don't have a system relative to what the future needs or even newly allows now in terms of the capital  the technological capability of providing what fuller and others would have called life support state he had an example that could have been relevant to the future like the united states was ahead of the future the european  we have a system we're trying to impose on the world with predators we're going to bring our system with you know corporate lobbyist k street you know crystal city defense contractors all of this kind of stuff to the world in the name of what we call democracy and the system we have in place is not adequate to what the future required and he may have had a reason there was relative in a historic sense to what the world requires and for that reason they wanted to do him in very direction i saw barack obama at the u n this week holding up in champion the new leadership of libya but look at the chaos look what happened in iraq some people say a million civilians were killed more about it he said there was security there was education and people know you know women were well treated they were sixty percent in the congress and everything there was a lot i went to iraq in eighty three and the question though she had sunni never came up  was a discussion but the point is that when they got rid of saddam hussein he had trained all these people in the bath party who knew how to run a government and they got rid of yeah right so now will libya repeat the same mistake wel loyalist though you educated and you well trained we don't want you because you will oil took adoptee but do you have the capacity now to put that society together when they will be an internal revolution in fighting for who dominate whether the islamic military empire they're putting out they're putting drones all over the world and everything because they don't have an answer to dealing with the situation that the brother may have provided right so they go to the commentary and what's going on is just  imperialism good it does as a classic example of a book that i mentioned in a couple of speeches called the empire has no clothes and this is america now we have seven hundred i just read the other day point is that you know in sixty seven most of the israeli embassies were closed across africa with the question of palestine and the six day war and what the zionist state was doing to the people of palestine now the israelis have found their way back in africa's interesting one of the first countries that recognize southern sudan and open an embassy is the israeli embassy and israeli embassy i heard that they recently in ghana but the movement back into africa and the countries of africa cultivating this relationship when these african countries should look at the condition of the palestinian people in their struggle in these  it and say to the world that look look israel we cannot recognize you as long as you mistreat the people just as we did with south africa ok very good we didn't want to recognize south africa be there are protests israelis protesting because all everything's owned by five families it's all concentrated wealth there it's not being democratic there's no ownership of anything do you understand so it's internal to that it's in the world everywhere in the world you've got three hundred million people that they've been coming up in beijing and shanghai but you've got one billion people living on a dollar a day you know nobody's paying attention to the to the to the to the deeper the less advantaged people to put it another way all they're doing is reifying and building up the power base of those who were there and now they're coming at it it's very dangerous that we don't have a vision we don't have a vision this relative after two hundred thousand years of our existence the evolution of consciousness and universe is now in the hands of our extended capability and they don't have a vision to liberate they're either going at the liberate the crop planet everybody and the ecology which is a potential or they're going to they're going to eliminate it that's worse down to nothing what's his name isaac asimov's this is the defining generation after two hundred thousand years ten thousand generations this is the defining generation in the evolution of universal affairs you know i would suggest momar khadafi had a lead that we could have informed us that was relevant the same way the united states could inform the european that they fought against and they're fighting against what he was doing and his political system and economic system was one that was in keeping with the future that is being denied to us from our intellectual community and to inform the political process there reifyin islamic awakening and the comparison was made in iran where i attended a conference that do in the fifty's in the sixty's and they didn't mention the seventy's but part of the seventy's small groups who decided to have a coup some of these schools were even encouraged by the west to change just system and the people will back in some of the coups but even the genuine cool's where a small group came together to try to redirect the society and make the leadership more sensitive to the needs of the peoples small group the difference of what is happening today such as in egypt the masses of people came together and it was like an explosion that they wanted to change but what they realize that hosni mubarak was not just alone in his thirty year rule in egypt but he was better backed by outside forces who backed aware of the military and thus you are complex you know that was a really military industrial scientific context ok and he was concerned because in order to feed that monster you have to have continuous war that's right right and you know back in the theaters on television the military's in control there and they made their revolution they got forty million people living on done needs almost there's other deep property they've just reinstated the military's resisted emergency law like it was under so they can arrest people put him in jail throw away the key so the trouble is still there ok i'm going but here's here's what you have how i want to go about it if you say ok and i just want to say here's what you have you have the masses of people rising up reason and good thinking on this planet thank you reviewing will be coming back again tomorrow do training in iraq by thanks a lot for coming is so good to talk to you we could talk about twenty four hours thank you thank you to be here with see it tomorrow ok