good evening i call to order the regular meeting the city council the city of lakewood colorado on october nd two thousand and eighteen at seven p m and council chambers will the clerk please call the roll oh here here vincent here us either here in chambers maybe you're watching at home or you might check us out on a later date i ask that all in attendance if you do have a cell phone please put it on silent if you will rise in join me in the pledge of allegiance and stay standing for a moment of and twenty colorado complete count campaign whereas the united states census census determines the allocation of seats for the us house of representatives redistricting of state and local government district boundaries and distribution of more than six hundred and seventy five billion in federal funds to state local and tribal governments and whereas the state of colorado governor john w hickenlooper signed into it in fact an executive order which established the two thousand and twenty colorado complete count campaign and whereas the two thousand and twenty colorado complete count campaign shall promote and advertise the two thousand and twenty census respond to the populations questions and concerns about the sentence census focus resources on hard to count areas and populations and ensure the highest participation rate possible and whereas the complete count committee should address various racial ethnic cultural and geographic considerations to the community to ensure residents understand the census process trust in its confidentiality understand its importance and fulfill their obligation to participate as is required by law and whereas liquid is is a growing city and accurate demographics will help the city of lakewood gain an understanding of the city as well as a plan for the future and whereas the city of lakewood thank you i want to extend my name is lola griego for those of you who don't know me i know many of you and i've known some of you for a number of years i want to extend a huge thank you from all of my colleagues at the census bureau most especially those working in the state of colorado right now your mayor and your city manager were wonderful to meet with and your investment in this whether it's a verbal commitment whether it's talking about it and sharing the information with your communities about our federal funding that comes into the city of lakewood whether it be through housing or through transportation needs or through any other needs to your citizens cannot be overstated the second thing that i would call your attention to is that colorado is on the cusp of getting our eighth congressional district so the united states census has been doing this for ten year every ten years and ninety political power and federal funding are what we're talking about and we are asking your help and your commitment to get this word out to the citizens of lakewood and by doing this proclamation tonight your commitment to your citizenry and your commitment to the tw twenty census cannot be understated to say thank you and we welcome the opportunity to partner with each and every one of you so thank you again and have a great night  and i'll also mention that there is a census office here and they are hiring and we'll be hiring we'll be hiring a lot of people so keep that in mind if you know folks that will be looking for a job some questions and i am not sure who to address them to so i'll start with you mayor unless you advise me otherwise my first question is this resolution looks like it's already been signed sealed has it already been delivered so it's a proclamation and i just delivered it yeah so it's already been delivered signed sealed and delivered okay so my next question is did council pass upon this theory is this something that we passed no it's a proclamation so it's not a resolution a resolution would have been something that council did but this is in the spirit of kicking off the two thousand and twenty census so it's something that's ceremonial and an opportunity for the census bureau to talk about their process that is beginning okay well the reason i'm asking the question is i have a little bit of concern about this you know and i want to make it clear that as far as the idea or the concept that the census be fair complete and exhaustive i'm totally in favor of that that's the and the reasons are obvious for all the reasons that are stated in there the problem is what we're doing here is were we are supporting an executive order which is which then in turn is talking about a concept but what we're doing is we're supporting an executive order by the governor that makes this a partisan issue and i don't think that we as a council should be weighing in on a on a partisan executive order like this secondly this is a federal matter and well i don't have a problem dealing with federal matters if if and w appropriate but this is really not any more of a city matter than it is to any other city or county or anybody in the whole united states of america we all as a group have a have an interest in seeing that the census be fair and complete so it's it's not a really a liquid issue at all and so i really have a problem with doing something like this and i i feel if we want to have a proclamation that just simply embraces the concept of a fair complete and impartial census in two thousand and twenty i'm all in favor of that but not this this is a part this is a partisan document and i'm opposed to it okay well duly noted certainly would have welcomed this conversation prior i will say i don't think it actually is a partisan it's the complete count campaign for the entire state of colorado so and and the local government they actually rely heavily and you'll see more opportunity for the local government to be engaged because it's critical for us to retain those local dollars based on the count so we are very much a part of this count process and and i've been through this once before and we actually will be creating a complete count committee so i appreciate that comment i'm going to take other comments about this we'll just move that to general business so we can keep proceeding thank you the clerk please read the next item item five presentation citizen commendation chief m good evening mayor and city council members i'd like to introduce you to cameron jones and he's a citizen of our great community and his wife's in the audience yeah if you want to take picture you to come up here or behind us yeah i know you're great this is a big deal so this is a citizen citation for valor and and this is my first as for doing this as chief of police and these are very rare i don't even i couldn't even tell you if we've given these out before in my career i don't remember but this is an incredibly brave and heroic act and and i'm honored that cameron's here today and we can recognize him in front of the mayor and city council members and awesome members of our community so on july th two thousand and eighteen shortly after nine zero p m cameron jones was walking his dog when he was startled by a woman screamed for help and a disturbance coming from a ground level apartment when he approached the door he saw a woman pinned on her couch by a man hitting her while pointing a handgun at her face without hesitation cameron entered the residence and tried to wrestle the gun away from the attacker drawing the attention away from the battered woman the assailant struck mister jones several times once freed the woman hit the man with the stock of a shotgun until he released mr jones as the men continued to struggle cameron told the woman to run away which she did cameron struck the attacker several more times and was able to gain control of the handgun the suspect then left the apartment and walked towards the parking lot with mr jones following the suspect opened the door of a white ford pickup and tried to start the engine and leave trying to prevent his escape mister jones attempted to take the keys from the ignition the suspect recklessly backed the truck into several vehicles and collided with the corner of an apartment building as he left the parking lot a short distance away he stopped the vehicle on the street returning to the empty apartment barricading himself inside he then i'm so full and at one point fired at police agents when they arrived the incident resulted in the lengthy standoff the swat personnel the female victim later said i believe to a private citizen for assistance rendered to police which involves the extreme risk of life and camera you were certainly heroic that evening and showed a high level of courage by facing extreme risk to your own life and therefore it is my honor to bestow upon you the lake police department citizen citation of the valor congratulations me i still to this day don't really feel that it's much above and beyond what any neighbor would do and at this point i just feel very thankful that my wife and i were safe and obviously the victim was safe and i appreciate living we been here for about a year and a half and we love this area we love this this city and just thank you for the honor appreciate it  thank you mayor and council thank you chief and i speak on behalf of council because there was a lot of chatter up here before throughout the day it's very rare we see these or as the chief said this type of an award but when you read into what happened and you see the bravery that you took upon is just incredible and meeting you and your wife your wife said that she's glad she's not a widow after what took place and truly you put yourself before somebody else and it's incredible what a story and so thank you this is the point in the meeting where the public is invited to address the city council on items that did not appear on the agenda all comments should be directed to the city council i ask that all in attendance observe the decorum and the city council chambers and refrain from applause or audible support or discord with the speaker you will have three minutes two and a half green means go for it yellow as thirty seconds means you're almost up red will be done and we'll politely ask you to wrap and we'll get going from there i'll start first with mister good evening welcome evening mister mayor city council i'm getting to be a regular here meetings real fast i didn't wasn't able to two weeks ago to stay through the whole debate in regards to what determines a complete or a partial not less the word the term and unfortunately i found out that you as a council had decided not to consider a half of a term as just that and that that would be considered as a full term let me explain a little bit about where i'm coming from i worked at this colorado state senate as a senate staffer for fifteen years i was there during the joan fitzgerald situation and before i left i heard that you talked about the fact that a local court the denver courts had ruled in her behalf knowing john fitzgerald as i know her if she would not have won at the local level she would have gone to the state level and she would have gone to the supreme court because as a citizen and as a taxpayer i truly believe that and in my experience and seeing senators being brought into office is that it takes several years for all of you to be able to understand your jobs to understand what your constituents want and when you have a situation where somebody  now you're going to tell the person coming in that that those two years or sometimes it's a year whatever that they're they're only entitled to that period of time plus one more term that isn't fair to the citizens it isn't to you as a counsel and there is a president precedent that has been set even though it's at a local court it would have gone further up the ladder if it needed to to happen i would ask just that you would reconsider this not for any one specific situation but just that if it happens again if i was running for office and i knew that i was taking over a position that was only for a one and a half two year period i wouldn't run because i would say okay i've got two years and then i've got four more it's gonna take me two or three years just to understand my job so that's all i would ask is that you at some point reconsider this it's important to the citizens it's important to the constituents and it could happen to you thank you so much thank you thanks for coming out good evening my name is lynette namba and i'm a member of the citizens for health care lakewood coalition my daughter attends school in ward two and i come to you as a concerned citizen and representative of the coalition first i just want to thank you for considering the non cigarette tobacco retail licensing ordinance and i want to propose three recommendations to strengthen the one that you're considering so first there should be no exemptions for any category of retailer at the study session i heard mention of exempting liquid smoker friendly's from this ordinance this is not fair to other businesses why should we accept scouts honor that they won't sell to minors but not from others not to mention the lakewood smoker friendly has sold to minors before but got off with only warnings these violations can be found on the fda and department of revenue websites exemptions only complicate enforcement and no other community with tobacco retail licensing has exemptions second there needs to be two compliance checks per year with rechecks for violations one compliance check per year is not enough to catch and deter repeat offenders a recent uc denver study found that the actual sales to minors violation rate is higher than fda reports since the fda does not do nearly as many checks as is recommended due to capacity the study found fifty five percent of retailers sold to minors at least once in visits twenty six four percent violated at least twice and twelve percent violated three or more times and third the violation review period should be increased to at least three years or better yet over the lifetime of the license this is critical to the overall impact the tobacco retail license program has i'm reducing youth access to tobacco violating retailers will likely not be caught  slate is wiped clean every year violations need to be cumulative and to have the best opportunity for holding retailers accountable a longer violation period only affects the businesses that have that violate the law it is inconsequential to businesses that do not sell tobacco to minors with these three pieces the liquid tobacco retail license ordinance without these three pieces the liquid tobacco to license ordinance will not be as strong or enforceable as good evening welcome honorable mayor honorable members of the council my name is john bratknee at six thousand and thirty eight south clayton street in centennial colorado thanks for allowing a neighbor of yours to speak momentarily as a reminder for the folks i haven't met yet i was a former two term arapahoe county commissioner founder of the city of centennial founder of the karo to clean tech open and now founder of metro energy which is why i'm speaking to you night at night for another minute and a half briefly though the five times i've sworn to uphold the constitution like you've all done i don't know if i've ever served our community as much as that young gentleman that just got that citation that is just absolutely i'm so thrilled i showed up tonight gosh i hope i can do something so noble someday wow what a cool city you live in briefly  perhaps family or members are a part of it if you care about the environment i applaud you so do i if you care about our economy and our jobs thank you please please please chat with your citizens and neighbors and somehow come up with a consensus but that's not the real reason i'm here tonight and it's also a founder of the bighorn leadership program on energy and folks sometimes our adversarial system just does not work the rd thing that the plaintiff defense bar the procon the blackwhite there's got to be a better way we can solve problems in our community and brenda morrison of rep bridges fame of bighorn and i have founded a new way to do business regarding energy all the above energy policy it's four days on a friday taking away from work and four days on the weekend taking away from family we're in our second cohort i was here a year ago i'll come back next year really looking for the mayor or one of you to speak or to participate in this or nominate a business or community leader so wait lakewood is fully represented in our statewide political process i'm probably out of time but here's my card if you don't mind i'll give one throw it away and actually recycle it or call me if i can ever be of service to you they actually have a minute is that working is it still green oh i don't know i don't i'm sure you all right i'm here to serve you just give them to the clerk and she'll make sure that we have things for coming out mister bragg it's nice to see you once a year all right okay that exhausts the folks who have signed up on the non agenda is there anybody else who wishes to speak had a car accident too two weeks ago and back when i moved from albuquerque up back up here in july two thousand and fifteen well i saw it down there that the tailgaters something has to be done the aggressive driving the weaving in and out this infantile immaturity they're using their cars as weapons i'm still devastated over what happened i could have gotten killed  i know there's a lot of people here now but the chaotic driving and this permissiveness it has infected our culture for a number of decades  now where i really believe it cheapens the value of life and i would love to see some really strong a lot of monies funded for the police department here and let lakewood be a model example for the whole country i see i'll be going up garrison north of alameda and this is more than once heavy traffic about ten minutes to in the afternoon and somebody passes yellow line you knows it passed me the past five or six cars it's people out of hand they're using their cars as weapons and i'd like to see the liquid police department be funded really heavily and have enough people to punish these people proportionately for their bad behavior i it's putting the burden on us good people and that's what i don't like so i hope maybe in a view that maybe tailgating and weaving in and out i hope you may think we analyze why i mean you know there have you know a little bit of kindness goes a long ways i think it starts back in the family it starts with far as i'm concerned with us taking the government out of the families and out of the schools and allowing parents to be parents again and enforcing laws that's all i have to say thank you yeah thank you sir sorry to hear that if you could just stop by and give her your information our clerk that'd be great right here sir yep thank you all right anybody else and notes of interest for you so we'll get started first of all someone who's very familiar to all of you is senior agent stacie collis he has been a school resource officer at green mountain high school for several years and he's retiring and he'll be leaving the st of november i just want to recognize him publicly he has been a wonderful source of strength for the students at green mountain high school and they've experienced numerous tragedies as you know and he's been a real friend a real support and a real confidant to those students so i'd like to thank stacie collis senior agent kallus for his his amazing career with the city of lakewood on a lighter note at saturday's a couple of weekends ago we had over ten thousand people in attendance over those two days ten zero people and we received numerous compliments about that event so congratulations to the staff  several months ago you heard about some of the new entry signs that the city will be seen and those will be coming in the next couple a week so you can look forward to those as it relates to employee recognition our own city clerk marquis career received the outstanding contribution to colorado municipal clerk association by a clerk and that was a very high honor that margie received just last week so and she is read now um and that was my goal um some good news in the finance department our utility billing system which is going to drastically increase our level of customer service that'll be going live in january two thousand and nineteen i think our citizens will appreciate that extensively the liquid heritage center the visitor center and the exhibits aren't going to be closed this fall and we will be preparing for a permanent exhibit of our th anniversary th birthday and there are several pieces that haven't been seen before that will be displayed down at the  c a lot of people have asked us about the sears at westland town center and as we know sears has filed for bankruptcy i think october th of this this month and our own town center is slated to close so we have staff and economic development who are working diligently with the property owners to help backfill that building and we'll let you know as we find out what will go in instead that's that's tough news a lot of people really rely on sears  oh several months ago when we had a workshop and it was an update that i gave on my kind of a my evaluation update and i told you about a program that the planning department has been piloting and it's called lakewood speaks and this is the program where they have it's a software that's invited people to participate in the in the public conversation about up coming planning cases at any time of the day remember we said that some we were getting a lot of response at in the morning and then again at five zero at night so what we'd like to do is try that at one of our upcoming council meetings but before we do that we'll have a study session we'll talk about it we'll work through the if you're willing we'll look work through the all the bugs and maybe give that a shot for a six month period we're thinking starting next year so if you're interested think about that and i'd like to hear from you and we'll we'll do a study session at the least to show you what we do with the planning commission and see if we want to pilot that and if that'll give us more citizen engagement beyond the meeting here would you like to see your looking for consensus i really am if you do that no it's no commitment it's just an education for you before and then and we're hoping to try it first of the year we have consensus thank you sir okay so we have heard from several several of our residents questions about the c forty seven de alameda the funding issue the funding structure we've heard on both from city council as well as some of our citizens and i think there's some confusion and it's a pretty complicated issue so i have asked staff i've actually asked jay hutchison from our public works department to put together a real thorough document that describes on all of the moving parts to our c seventy agreements and you'll be getting that in the next couple of weeks so that's something that we'll post online and we'll also send it to each of you so that's something that's coming we're hoping  to kind of wrap all the questions and all the concerns that we've gotten with some kind of response so jays gonna do that he's been around for a long time so comes he's been digging through documentation and he'll put something together so i'm sure he's excited too actually he is and and he'll do a nice job i think you know that about jay and finally i wanted to just give you a report on our liquid possibilities fund and give you the third quarter report remember that liquid possibilities is  it's a funding source for our residents who don't have the ability to use our recreation centers and our programs but would like to do so and by third quarter we have served nine hundred and forty one individuals which represents three hundred and seventy lakewood households and to a total of thirty eight thousand seven hundred twenty three dollars so you authorize that a couple of years ago i think  involved in making sure that this came to be and that's our third quarter report i'd like to do another one at the end of the year and let you know how that programming how that program is done so that concludes my report thank you thank you very much always good stuff all right next we have the consent agenda the use of the consent agenda has been made to expedite council action it contains both resolutions and first reading ordinances which tonight's just a resolution resolutions are items of a routine nature members of the public will have an opportunity in a moment to comment on any of the proposed resolutions any council member may request an item on the consent agenda be removed for separate discussion and action under general business with the clerk please read the items on consent agenda the consent agenda consists of items eight and nine only item eight resolution two thousand and eighteen forty three appointing crystal a larry har cole and sonya estes to serve on the board of directors paul i move for the acceptance of the minutes of boards and commissions and for adoptions of resolutions all which are included in the consent agenda items introduced into my vote only reflects a question regarding the process of the folks that were picked for this these are names i'm unfamiliar with and  apparently they do not come through the screening committee i would just have a question really i would have liked to have asked this before the vote and i didn't get it done in time so i apologize i would just like to know how the folks are picked who picks them and what the criteria is is there a screening committee through the bid itself are these people part of the businesses is there a waiting list for people that would like to be on this that was really what i wanted to know prior to the vote but i'd still like to be have some quick answers yeah certainly and we can get you more information if not tonight but i know that i think both mister quinn and mister marino touched on this briefly  their board is made up of members within the district so if you look at i don't not familiar with crystal that i know larry herckel is with belmar starwood and sony asked us as runners roost right here in the commons okay so again and yet we approved their board members i would like to see them along with all other special districts approve their nominate and approve their own board members so that may be something i don't know how we get there do we do that through ordinance or the current process is set out an ordinance from two thousand three i don't have it with me to be able to refer to it specifically so but that was set by ordinance we'd certainly look at that to determine if another ordinance would be used to modify the process but there's nothing in state law or our ordinances the the original process for business improvement districts is a statutory process as well and we would follow that but again i'd have to look at the at the statute and at the ordinate the existing ordinance to understand what the limitations would be i'm happy to report on that at the next meeting thank you thank you and i have the same questions that councillor johnson had but in addition to that i want to point something out because i'm a little concerned and you know again i'm a new member of council but as i see how things are done i'm a little concerned on how our process on dealing with these business improvement districts i feel sometimes it's a little bit of a cavalier kind of approach and let me just kind of you say it right here in the summary statement you know that this board this council is authorized under state law to appoint a replacement by resolution okay so we've got the authority we've also got the responsibility it goes on to say this oversight role is critical to ensuring a positive public perception of bid activities that's a very critical statement there that would you know how this bid district is is perceived by the public and i raised this last time in a sort of a backwards way when we approve their budget here about a month ago and if you remember i asked some very pointed questions of our of our ceos of these two districts that was it was not being asked which is the information you're providing us true and accurate to the best of your ability if you told us everything we need to know and you know because because we get these budgets they're not audited where their spending is not audited i never see an audit so we're kind of tak this all on on faith of what they're giving us is is accurate and yet we're haven't we have this over over seeing responsibility on these districts and then they involved taxpayers money and so this is another example that kind of goes with that whole same thing that i'm talking about is we come in here we rubber stamp three new members on their board i have no idea whether these gentlemen are qualified i don't know if they're convicted felons i i don't have any idea how they were appointed i mean they probably are gonna be great board members and i don't mean to align them in any way they're probably great but i as a as a member of this council have no way of knowing with what i'm doing has any substance to it and i need a little information here a little just a little bit of who they are what process they went through were there other applicants who are not appointed those kind of things in order that we fulfill our oversight function under state law so that's my statement people named on their board of directors i believe that we have to honor what that that board is telling us that they want as their directors i don't feel like it's it's our job necessarily to vet their candidates for a board of director position i don't feel like that's my job whatsoever nor do i think that the bids expect us to do that may i respond briefly sure i agree with you counselor and but the question is i don't even know that that's the case here we just got three names that were recommended to us by staff i have no idea how those names came if they came from their board a recommendation of their board or their people and we're told that then i agree with you i'm comfortable with that at least we've got some basis for it but i don't know if this is some kind of an appointment out of the clear blue i don't know where it comes from that's the part i'm concerned about i agree with you if that's if it's there folks and they're happy with it me too and just for a fault so certainly it's a good educational and i thought that again both gentlemen went into this but it's my understanding that they are nominated by their board and elected to the board and brought forth for us to has operated this running store here for a decade plus so these are folks that are engaged and i would also welcome you know i think their meetings are open and they do have the opportunity whether it's through mister quinn or mr marino to go and be a part of that and get a better understanding so it's just just learning may i can i make one more please if these questions if you do have these questions and they're not addressed in your packets if if you would let us know in advance i'd i'd be happy to gather that information and find out how these boards what the criteria is so that we can answer you with more with more detail than we have right now so if you would just give us a heads up even monday afternoon i'd be happy to do that because we don't have that readily and we don't have the members of the bids here but we're happy to provide that frank's just one additional follow up i just wanted to state the bids and their budgets are actually audited so just wanted to clarify that and also they both have monthly meetings that are open to the public it's not the bids themselves but their business association meetings so alameda gateway has a monthly meeting and west colfax has a monthly meeting they're very well attended they have outstanding  reputations within the community so i recommend or i know many of you attend those but just another avenue to get more information about these organizations thank you a mainly for the public i wanted to call their attention to that in our packet the alameda corridor business improvement district did provide their own resolutions which is them recommending so so those are in the packet and so that basically is letting us know that their board of directors then put these folks forth for nominations so i just wanted to make sure that that was known to the public that the packet does include that by both their president and their secretary further adopting the annual budget for the city for the fiscal year beginning on the first day of january two thousand and nineteen and ending on december st two thousand and nineteen estimating the amount of money necessary to be raised by levying taxes for the year two thousand and eighteen to defray the costs of municipal government of the city of lakewood colorado for the fiscal year beginning january st two thousand and nineteen and ending december st two thousand and nineteen estimating the amount of money to be derived from other revenue sources and setting forth the appropriations for each fund all right thank you very much so in the city of lakewood this particular item which is our budget requires two public hearings we've held our first this is our second and with prescribed adoption before november st i have with us tonight mr doar our city treasurer and finance director who is gonna highlight a quick presentation as the communities seen this a couple times and i think councils engaged a few times and we have several members of the management team in the house tonight to answer any questions directed through miss hudson good evening th door city of lakewood finance director and the city treasurer yes i'll be brief i will be brief tonight i do have a few overview slides that i'll go through fairly quickly just the last time that we were in chambers there was a person who viewed the presentation and became aware of the city's budget for the first time and he called me soon thereafter and we had a nice chat about the city budget and he's here tonight and introduced himself to me in person so that's i'm pretty impressed by that and obviously it's an engaged citizenry that wants to know more about what's going on in their community but as mentioned there's been a lot going on the city budget process really starts in february each year with councils planning retreat and all the members of the leadership team and our staffs prepare changes for the budget and input this this calendar it kind of gives a little flavor for it and since september th which is now forty five days we've had a five hundred and forty page budget book in the hands of city council and on liquid org for  to review all of our estimates and projections in the budget so this has been a thorough and detailed process this is the last really the last meeting the last discussion the last opportunity for questions and of course the public will have a chance during this public hearing tonight to give additional input on the process i've talked a lot about what's gone into the budget no doubt all of the estimates and things that we can control as a city things we can't control  also talked about the city's rainy day fund and we had quite an event last year and that was meaningful and and was a big part of our discussions and of course anybody can go back and review those videos or read over the city manager's budget message and get a real good flavor for what's gone on in the community part of our questions and answers and discussion involves some jargon and the first one is really this concept of a fund and really a fund is i always use the analogy of sort of like the christmas club or the you know the vacation fund in a household or or maybe in a small business a capital fund that's gonna buy equipment at some time in the future but at the city our general fund which allows for any lawful municipal government expenditure that really is the largest by far and it really is the focus of all my comments here tonight probably all of our questions as well in the general fund what really drives our community and allows us to provide services to our residents is really the sales tax were focused on sales tax it's the largest fund and the largest source of income so we're very attuned to that excuse me attune to that and we very careful attention if you purchase something in the community or have it delivered to your house you pay a seven and a half percent sales tax that's made up of the regional transportation district scientific and cultural facilities district and the jefferson county open space sales tax along with the state and then finally the city is three percent of the seven and a half percent and and really that's what allows us to provide all of the services and maintain all the capital infrastructure in the community we have a look outside obviously and we see a very strong liquid economy we see private investment from major international corporations this is the marriott springfield suites that's going up at colorado mills but the company is also investing in the fairfield inn and creating that project as well so the liquid economy is very strong there's a lot of job creation happening and and on a different scale just across the street at belmar these are the alameda shops that are going up so it was mentioned that the starwood corporation is a principal investor these are sophisticated international companies they have investment opportunities in every community and in every country frankly around the world and they're choosing to invest in lakewood for a variety of reasons obviously it's a safe community with a great quality of life and and hopefully quality services as well not just in the private sector but also in education this is a project happening at colorado academy and also at colorado christian university they are constructing their rock mount hall student residences and this is happening as we speak these are again investments from the education sector who believe that they can continue to grow their services for their shareholders their constituents so the other side of the ledger of things that we can control and i mean we as a community can control expenses really comes down to personnel because we're a services organization that really amounts to people police officers snow plow drivers a park rangers park maintenance you name it but we can't control the size of those expenditures and the way that we we do that is really a good job estimating our revenues not by coincidence and last year we estimated our revenues on one hundred and thirteen million dollar general fund within four one hundredths of one percent or about fifty thousand dollars so there's some good credibility some good reliability in those systems and in our budget process we'll each year when the media might call city hall and ask to speak to the mayor city manager or myself about what's happening in the coming budget there tends to be a focus on what's what's new or what's interesting and exciting in terms of spending and i'll just kind of overview those real quickly in our police department this proposed budget that you'll be voting on here momentarily without you would add two police agents and four community service officers and increase the level of service to the community in the area of  public safety also we'll be adding some vehicles so that those staff members can get out and really do their jobs in the area information technology i really want to underscore the importance of replacing our existing equipment  we have radios in the hands of our non sworn employees that help them to be efficient but these radios are expensive and our snowplows need to communicate with headquarters that our fleet and excuse me our street maintenance division so that they can be sure and cover the appropriate areas in the community also we have very important systems that really help us do our jobs in whole we have a payroll system hr management and general ledger accounting system that keeps track of thousands and thousands of transactions it's the jd edwards system which is the parent company is oracle and we're going to do an update to that system which is provided for in our information technology budget  that we're dealing with in this budget first we have some colorado state mandates that are requiring some services for immediate defendants we also need to upgrade our systems for arraignment we need to improve equipment for our court martials our court marshals do an important job keeping the public safety in our municipal court and then also we have a need to increase spending related two interpreters we just have a greater number of languages spoken fewer interpreters available and those costs we need to provide for so that we can have really the justice system provide adequate services for the for the public safety next in public works we have some proposed transportation and utilities  improvements and i would invite any members of the public to look at the capital improvement and preservation plan a lot of effort goes into that and i know that council looks at all the pages very carefully to see the coming and planned projects and just to just to give  a little flavor for that there are a few traffic signal upgrades that are proposed along kipling that'll give you a little flavor for that and then next in our community resources department it wouldn't be surprised our major our major businesses are parks police and plows i've heard it said or our public transportation our streets roads and sidewalks and the like but in community resources there's a again a focus on parks but on park development we've had some acquisition earlier due to supplemental appropriations and council some replacement of our fitness equipment and improvements in our facilities and to give you a little flavor for that it's been mentioned and there have been some announcements about the acquisition of the taylor property and this budget would propose  making trails out there so that the public can begin to enjoy the land and enjoy the views out at the taylor property next in terms of park development on a smaller scale the city has some opportunities to create park amenities at the meadowlark colleges cottages excuse me and at the quail street park as well so a chance to add some improvements there and then for our recreation center visitors there they're very popular  obviously it's time to upgrade i should say update really our fitness equipment and we're going to do that on a very conservative pay as you go type basis and we're going to begin that at the green mountain a recreation center once this budget is approved also we're going to keep our our facilities is up to snuff as best we can obviously there are a lot of needs in this area but when you star to seek carmody recreation center gymnasium and its floor reach its current level it's time for some improvements  those are accounted for in this budget i just want to go on the record in closing that this budget is proposed meets all state and city requirements for those laws and requirements and statute and so forth and is in compliance the only thing left is adoption by november st that's october nd and members of the public council you might be thinking it's very close to the deadline but that's in order to allow as much a public input as possible for eighteen straight years this budgeting process has yielded the distinguished budget presentation award and we will be submitting the two thousand and nineteen budget for the presentation award as well this doesn't this isn't a judgment on your decisions or your strategic vision for the community but it's really a review of the veracity of the information provided and that it is in a clear and consistent manner and of course everything that happens in the budget i've heard it said by many council members over a number of years that this is this is really a public policy document as much as it is an accountant treasurer's document it really sets forth the tone and the vision for the community so that  will retreat to the desk behind me i'm available to answer any questions it's time for the public the public to speak but of course i will be coming to the podium for a couple more budget matters tonight including item eleven on your agenda and also the liquid reinvest authority budget adoption great thank you thank you thank you mister dork thank you for your hard work and your team and getting this all ready to go and prepared for tonight so i will now open the public hearing we have again while he's coming down same rules three minutes two and a half green thirty seconds yellow three minutes red welcome thank you mister mayor and councilmembers mister doar spoke of a citizen who reached out to him after the city council meeting two weeks ago that be me i sat here two weeks ago and it was my first exposure to a city budget and i was a bit shocked that a deficit budget was being presented having no knowledge of city budgets i reached out to mister doar and to his credit he called me back and he spent a considerable amount of time with me explaining it as much as he could with the time he had and basically dumbing it down for this little suburbanite here but anyway during the course of the meeting a couple weeks ago several people came down and spoke to the unaccomplished goals set out in the sustainability plan for the city of lakewood and i think we're all here because we love this city and we're concerned about its future and i think sustainability is going to be a huge part of the quality of life that we're all striving for here and i was very disappointed to find out that goals set out by the by our city in the areas of sustainability collegian rating forty five percent of forty five percent of residential energy from renewables forty five percent of commercial and industrial energy from renewables and reducing citywide building energy by twenty percent are woefully behind goals  after talking to mister doar i feel i can confidently say that i understand almost one whole page of the five hundred and forty six page documents but the point i wanted to bring to you folks and submit to you is is budget that you're about to be voting on is a two hundred nine million nine hundred and twenty two thousand one hundred ninety seven dollar budget and mister doar informed me that for forty nine straight years the city has under spent its budget and he assures me that next year is going to be the same and it's usually under spent to the tune of about five thousand use me five percent the people who spoke about  the sustainability shortfalls left the meeting last week two weeks ago disappointed because they were told there was no money in the budget to work on those items so i would submit to you that five percent of the budget that you're about to vote on is ten million four hundred ninety six thousand one hundred nine dollars and eighty five cents and if you do indeed underspend your budget i would strongly urge you to use some of that ten million dollars to accomplish these shortfalls because in all the years that i've worked in my own businesses and planning budgets for departments and companies that i worked for we didn't move on to new goals and until we accomplished the ones that we had already set for ourselves thank you well done thank you very much sir appreciate it a motion in a second and i'll just start with a quick comment stosh thank you for taking the time and mister doar has a great knack for being able to dumb down budgets for for anybody and it is very helpful but these can be be challenging but to take the time and i will say after that meeting councillor goodwin and i had the opportunity to meet with the sustainability folks who were here that evening and hopefully have a better plan going forward that will bring all the council on board here in the next few weeks so thank you councillor abel first i'd like to say thank you to mr doar for spending so much time with a citizen had i known that everyone that called me about the budget would have gotten in a point with mister dores so we'll talk next year i'm a bit concerned about the deficit spending i know that we have spent down the budget the  reserve for some once once in a very long time chances and other necessary spending but you just can't sustain a deficit budget we need to make revenue and expenses meet also the budget process we get it six weeks before our decision is due and as m said in his first presentation here it is it's all in print it's done make your changes minor so by the time it gets to this stage we're all reluctant to make any large changes or question a lot of line items i would like to see a more inclusive budget process in future years i know other  governments the legislative board meets with each department head well in advance of the final submission of the budget so they can ask the questions well why did you not spend that two million dollars or why did you shift it here and is that will that be enough ftes for next year or will it be too many so i'd like to have a process that involves us farthe budget now that committee heard about it in young in july i didn't hear the first word about details until i got this this book in the box in the middle of september so and had i known it was there i'd have been in five days earlier to pick it up also i do have one question and it doesn't require an answer tonight but i would like to have a few more details about i have a lot of well there is some history about his investments and how his retirement was figured and i don't think all these people want to sit around and hear that tonight that i would like some more information  could prepare something for me mister door i mean basically if you won't talk about it sure i think at one time we set aside a few million dollars for the former city manager to make investments with and they the return on the investment would be his for his retirement and yeah okay is that what this two hundred and ten thousand is or is this coming i know is right it's coming out of the budget each year does i can go ahead and describe that kylie's well yes page five hundred and seventeen is an authorization for expenditures greater than fifty thousand dollars and the previous city manager who retired about ten years ago  employment contract included a defined benefit pension plan and that pension plan has assets that are controlled by the city they're described and disclosed in the city's comprehensive annual financial report which is available online at l and audited by the city's external cpas and audit firm and yes so the city is required to disperse to the former city manager an amount equal to the amounts that are described in here for that  impression did we not present a and amount a principal amount for him to invest at his direction no there's never been any amount that's been controlled by the former city manager those are controlled by the city and yes as wit any defined benefit pension plan there's a dollar amount that is available to spend that down and very similar to other pension plans i have a couple of those and now don't get an automatic raise every year is that part of the agreement  yes the agreement calls for an increase a cost of living adjustment and so you see that from the two thousand and eighteen to two thousand and nineteen that there's an increase there and that's in in accordance with the plan and with the agreement okay that is contractual so good evening director door so i've had some questions in the past about this deficit spending and how it all works and i've done more research on or more studying on it i spoke last week to our city manager to get her perspective on it and so i'm a lot more comfortable with it now than i have been and i understand when i understand some of the history coming in which is prior to to you the last two years when we spent down those years we were continually understanding and therefore continually building up our reserves not not necessarily by design but that's the way it was working out the last two years we spent those as i understand and spent the reserves down to a lower level and that was by design now we're to a point where we're saying okay we're where we want to be with the reserves how do we maintain those and if we continue with the type of budgeting that we did in the past as i understand it then we'll go back to what we were doing two years ago and will end up start building the reserves up again which is not what we're trying to do so as i understand it the deserve mecha this deficit budget is a mechanism or a tool to allow us to get as close as we can to a balanced budget and i know that sounds crazy and that's what that's where my hang up was but i'm starting to get it thanks to mr door being able to dumb it down for me like you did everybody else but um so i'm starting to get it i realized that and i think that makes sense my one concern is are we sure that's gonna work it's like a really gonna happen you know so my thought is tonight approve the budget i'm fine with that idea let's take a look at in january when we close the books and let's see if things came out like we think they're going to and if not then  adjust you know just get into two hundred and nineteen early make whatever adjustments we need to do if it goes like you think they're gonna go and it looks like those trends are continuing then that's one less problem for us to deal with so that's kind of my thinking on this thing and way of resolving this without having to vote no on the budget tonight and do you have any comments on that directed or am i missing anything i don't think you're missing anything counselor beta and we've done that every single january for years and years we'll continue to do that that's the right thing to do is to continue to remeasure where we are we actually do that every month in a innis to a smaller degree but absolutely i've reported each january to the budget not a board for many many years our estimates for the year and books being closed and and actually that process continues on because you know the books aren't exactly final at the end of january we continue to collect sales taxes and paid for expenses that have accrued but absolutely we continue to update those and and that will become more and more familiar to you each year as we do that get on that routine so correct and then the other thing is i know there's gonna be some other questions about the budget and maybe some things we can do going forward to help the rest of council maybe address issues that are that are out there and i'm fine with that maybe we can do that through our budget not at committee once we get it fully  constituted we're missing a member and then move forward maybe get a little more engaged activity by our budget not a committee on some of these issues so that's my thought thank you thank  i certainly wanted to thank you guys i mean this is a huge endeavor and now i've had to look at and think what three times so really appreciate that i wanted to speak a little bit to the  reserves and kind of the deficit in that i think it's important to for the discussion for folks to know that there are different ideas about what the right amount of reserves are so there are people like myself who personally believes in a pretty large savings account and my husband i kind of agree what we'll use that money for and other folks feel like a lower number is they feel like that money maybe can't get spent in ways that they're not comfortable with so i really want the community to understand this is difficult to understand what is the right balance we are we show mister doar showed that we're kind of on the lower end a lot of cities have a lot higher reserves and so i think it's important to to know that that conversation needs to continue that i don't know there's a perfectly right number i think for me just from a comment standpoint we may want to look at putting some sideboards on what how reserves can be spent but again that's a broader discussion that needs to kind of germinate up through the the budget and audit committee but that would then maybe give the community members who don't want a higher reserve amount more comfort as that grow so we're not constantly trying to manipulate that and that growth will be seen as a positive thing for the community so i just wanted to kind  of share that also i'll be sharing kind of a whole list of things where i think we can make some process improvements i think you guys do an amazing job but i think one of the areas that caused a lot of the questions where you guys know this inside now you  these numbers everyday footnoting of variances whether it be a variance due to a carryover or a variance due to some other reasoning those things would go a long way to speeding our review of the process and so i think we would want to look at just footnoting those variances it just makes it clear why did that happen did we have a project that got delayed money needs to carry over from one year or that type of thing and i also think that we need to look at prior to this being printed just some cursory review and i think councilor abel spoke to that i think it's just important to get the best quality one that we can out there we all found some minor things but i think that then gives us a chance to feel like we can make some  different recommendations so that's just a couple but i really appreciate being on the budget and audit committee in years past all of that education is important it makes it easier each year to review this but as always as a process person i think we can always improve and so i look forward to working with the budget and audit committee mara i will echo what the previous councillors had spoken to i think working on that efficiency i've gotten a lot of feedback over email recently obviously but a lot of feedback important feedback and nothing i would say important questions and so i think it is difficult to councillor abel's point that when you've got this big laminated beautiful book i mean we're you've kind of passed the point where you're gonna have those some of these conversations so councillor franks is point maybe we do do something with the budget and audit committee maybe we make it more meetings or maybe everyone  committee meetings but it gives an opportunity for the public to give more input it gives and to councillor franks is point if we could have a review before things get a little more finalized if people have a list of questions i'm not saying that we have to take it apart but up here is not really the time to go through laundry lists of ideas that people had in the past two weeks this should be a year round and it is for all you it's just not for us because after this we move on to the next thing that's happening and then see an ear so maybe the budget and audit committee is there for a reason i think we should utilize that more and if people have questions along the way take it to the committee that'll engage the public if they know there's more meeting so long story short more meetings and i am not volunteering to be on the committee well that committee is set and we hope he doing committee assignments again coming up in the next month  so okay so i just want to capsule a couple things i heard and it has to do with kind of a better understanding of the process and so a good way to potentially move forward is to get ready for our retreat which is gonna be a little bit earlier it's gonna be in january this year and that is again really where the priorities are set as to what the city manager is i'm gonna go meet with em team and start to look at the priorities that she hears from this group and start to build that budget and so there could be an opportunity again with the budget not a community they do meet quarterly but also maybe an update from from the city manager you know quarterly you're doing your reports now at the beginning which are super helpful maybe that's an opportunity to talk about where we're at or things that you see as far as forecasting or things like that along those lines just an option to throw out there i want to echo and point something out that's really important our current city manager does not have that type of deal set up for herself in her retirement so  i know she's somewhat embarrassed about do we ever talking about and we councilman table does have that set up in his retirement for four dollars a year in perpetuity with the cost of living at ten cents so let's raise this right but but it's a much different contract in and and i will say to her credit that was something that she negotiated when she came on as our city manager as to not want to draw attention and  just wanted to make a big picture comment as well a huge thank you to everyone who has been working on this for the entire year and all the hours that go into it wanted to say  that i really appreciate the transparency in our budget and that citizens can log in drill down and see anything they want where every dollar goes i think that is really important to our community and holds us all accountable i think it's a very responsible budget and it's fiscally conservative and and responsible despite the fact that we are going a little bit into our reserves but i think that our my colleagues did a great job of explaining the history of how we continued to build our reserves and then the community kind of gave us feedback that we might need to invest some of those dollars and we did that over the last few years and now we're you know moving into another potential direction where we want to stop stop spending down those reserves again and appreciate that it is such a tight budget i think that that's something that i'm really proud of as i go to our community and to me this is just a big picture chance to look at our quality of life in lakewood and it's it's high and i think this reflects the biggest priorities in the community and i am already very excited to get started working on the tw nays i want to echo the thanks to all of the management team and all the great city employees who made this and to this council for some this was your very first budget and you asked a lot of great questions and dug in to get you to this point so that's fantastic the clerk please read item eleven item eleven ordinance o two thousand and eighteen twenty authorizing contingent supplemental appropriations to the city of lakewood two thousand and eighteen fiscal y very briefly and invite emotion and hopefully a second but it was councils direction on august th to set forth such an ordinance at that time council adopted resolution two thousand eighteen thirty six related to election matter d which will occur on november th and it was the council's pleasure and direction at that time that it wanted to make contingent supplemental appropriations that would bind this council to appropriating funds for the purposes described in what is now d and those are expenditures for acquisition of parks and open space for police equipment and municipal infrastructure and transportation improvements i described in more detail on september th what would be specifically set forth through that spending and all of that is in the record of  your council minutes i described i described governmental accounting standards and the various proposals made by our police department public works department and then also related what would happen relative to acquisition of parks and open space so this ordinance would only become a fact if in effect if a d were voted the majority were voting yes on d these  initiatives would become effective and those various initiatives would be undertaken so no new information no change in direction but if you notice in the ordinance it's very specific and has all the typical you know technical details that you would usually see related to a budget so that i answer any questions you might have mayor members of city council on this ordinance two thousand and eighteen xx thank you i'd like to open the public hearing on ordinance to mister door would you clarify for the public that's watching this why are we looking at this particular ordinance prior to the election it seems like from a public perspective that they would rather us do this after the election is held and we know what the outcome is why are we doing it ahead of time instead of after the election thank you well no solution is perfect clearly there's more than one way to do these things but it was the council's direction that this would be a very clear communication to the public in advance of their vote our citizens in lakewood and across colorado have their ballots in hand many of them have been cast already i do that the clerk's office and at our ballot box here at civic center that people are casting their votes but the purpose of the ordinance and the prior resolution was to really make clear to the public and counsel if they vote if council votes in favor of this order we'll be bound by that ordinance and will those expenditures will be made in that manner and the budget will be presented somewhat separately or there'll be a set of accounts that are separate and i'll be able to report on those to you council and to the members of the public on how the funds are spent in the future related to that so that was the purpose that's the intention of council in approving such an ordinance and i put that in ward five language please we want to make sure that the public understands exactly what the money would be spent for and we're doing it ahead of the vote rather than after the vote so there can't be any wavering on that thank you if you will the tabor revenues we have for open space eight point five million dollars and my question is i think that our ballot language said open space and park land acquisition and so i just wanted to make sure and i don't know if this but that the that this designation aligns with that language that it could be used for parkland or open space acquisition okay great yeah thank you for the question and councillor gutwein is referring to page two of the ordinance which is a somewhat of a grid a column that has numbers and at the top it reads all funds summary i'm looking at that now and the first column has the word funds and that's that jargon that i referred to earlier tonight so the first line of the fund it reads general fund and that's where the refund is currently sitting and then it would be distributed across the special revenue funds eight and a half million and the city has an open space fund for the purposes and then in our capital projects funds we have a couple things capital improvement equipment replacement and then way down at the bottom internal service funds self insurance and that that really connects all the accounting and so the eight and a half million will be transferred as a source to the city's open space fund and then restricted for those things that you just described so this is a bit of an accountant's ledger really on where the money will go and where it will sit but as you can also you can see in the right hand column there is no use out of the open space fund just yet because no parkland or open space acquisition have been identified so thank you for bearing with me and that accountants dumbing it down yet again to dummy it down one more time so because the question has been asked out there it can be for parkland and open space but on here on the budget it just shows open space which will be both of those so in essence it does it's an interesting one thanks mayor paul my guest to to first tee this up just to make sure that the public is aware that not too long ago we instituted kind of a way in which council members can propose items to get on to the agenda and so i through that system did a city council agenda request for consideration and so mike request is for a study session to review municipal code sections nine point five two point one for zero construction activities and ninety five to one hundred and fifty power equipment to consider and determine any updates we might need to make is that while i had referenced a section on reaching out for section seventeen eighty five point two there's also section nine v two one thirty four truck reloading and the reason why i wanted to bring this forward is we have development that abuts existing residential facilities and we have also construction hours and power equipment hours of operation and i see a lot of folks moving through in my is this kind of what we were planning on me doing yeah no you're fine i just thought we were talking about pigeons the one in the packet was pitched pigeons that's why i said was interesting oh i didn't see yes and so i was planning i submitted the one first so i was dealing with the one that i submitted first but sorry so i will keep going on this one and didn't you see the other one in there so basically what i'm requesting is that we have a a review of a for a study session for these items to determine if we want to make changes to the construction activities hours of operation that are allowed to power equipment operation and to truck loading and unloading and safety as well as deal with dust noxious admissions construction traffic flow and scope of permitted uses for the right away so it's kind of a larger topic that's why i think a study session is needed but because development is one of the larger concerns in our area and also we have more development that now is taking place a budding residential neighborhoods i think it's appropriate to look at that at this time so i'm hoping that you will support moving this forward to a study session okay just clarification i can't find it in my packet but what is the time frame and how does that match up on the dashboard as far as the the time frame on of what we have where what does it fit in on the with everything else and while we're doing that  prepare for the work starting at seven o'clock the next morning and folks weren't getting any sleep at all so if you'd if you would include that i would appreciate it and again i think that all can be brought out during the study session i think it's also important to understand that we'd probably need to look at what are the permitted exceptions and what is that exception process things happen so but but i just think this is kind of ripe for a study session and i preferred timeframe the reason why i put october november is i thought that was the timeframe to get it in front of these guys for consideration certainly not the timeframe i'm expecting it to be done so it's really at what point so if the preferred timeframe we might want to clarify that but mine was like when do i want to see it where i can present it to my fellow council folks and get them to say yes or no then we would need to schedule it based on the other priorities keeping in mind though this is impacting people's lives presently so we'd have to determine can we make a change that impacts in progress projects i don't know the answer to that there could be no we can't and that changes the trajectory but if we can then certainly i would be something i would want to expedite if that's permissible so i think that it's important that council understand one of the reasons this is brought forward is right now the existing ordinance that we have is one size fits all so whether you're building at least my understanding everyone's welcome to correct me but whether you're working in a industrial park or a commercial setting or right next to a residential setting the hours are the same so you can be up there really early in the morning working really late at night monday through or sunday through sunday no breaks in between so this is not something that's intended to necessarily adjust if you're building in a in a commercial setting where you're not going to be affecting the neighbors but there needs to be something that addresses what happens when you're building feet away from a residence and all they want to do is go out back and have a barbecue without dirt flying in their faces for god knows how long and these people are having to deal with it not just in my neck of the woods but i probably all and everyone's probably got some example of getting complaints about construction so it's imperative that we look at it especially from a residential and under that limited scope i know everyone is no agreement that we're not in a hurry but i'll do my usual thing and stump for quicker the better because there are people that are a lot of people being impacted on a daily basis and i actually think this is could be we could do a couple  different things you could have a study session because i know it probably hasn't been updated in a number of years that could look at more of a holistic approach not just the residential abutting commercial abutting but maybe there's a stopgap in between now and then there's a lot of building going on in the city simple changes could make a huge difference for these people changes like just saying instead of six to nine or whatever it is right now we say seven to six seven to seven something and no sunday's i'm good with that there stopgap that we can all do without doing a study session do the study session later on to look at some other changes but just something that we're not wait until a year from now until we get alone you know get around to it so simple changes just throwing it out there was talking now anyway so okay council harrison i think what i i understand that although the neighborhood's are under stress from this but this feels like we what i remember is on our agenda we have such a long agenda could we make this maybe a workshop item rather than a study session item have it maybe roll it in with the retreat or something like that where we could talk about that particular item and not take study session time away right away we've got such a huge list of things that are done and i please don't here that i downplay what's going on in our neighborhoods but i don't the lot the shorter the work day the longer the project continues so you have to tell me which you want shorter work day and more days where they can't use their back yard or get the project done where they can go and be in their backyard that would be my so so let yeah and let's just stay on kind of more on track with with the request  is there a willingness for council to entertain this and you've heard the proposed time frame i'm just trying to get some more of a summary of where we're at i don't want to go you know i don't want to have a de facto study session tonight on this subject so you call in for a study session or a workshop certainly and i'm just trying to get to some sort of summary before we continue down a road that could keep us here on this subject for another hour just one second counselor vincent yes i just want to say that this is something i would support whether it's a workshop or whether it's a study session it is so important what's going on and after hearing light rail being constructed and noise and pollution and people who weren't outside of their house for literally two years we need to do something and i would look at that so i would support that barber also frank's i just wanted to add that i you know obviously there's people being impacted on holidays that's also something that we don't have a saluting so people can't enjoy their own homes at the holiday times i also think that it is not either that you let them work longer or that you have a longer project as a project manager there's all kinds of resource leveling fast tracking there's umpteen techniques we don't need to get into the weeds tonight but it's not an eitheror i mean i can move a project along faster in a variety of different ways so i don't want to get locked into that i think a study session is important and we could be just call it both study session slash workshop but we don't know we don't know we don't know why they ended up in this way we don't know why they didn't exclude weekends why they didn't exclude holidays i'd like a little historical perspective if there is one because there may be things that we don't know that we need to know before we start crafting changes i've been to workshops i've been to study sessions and they both seem to last the same length of time to me which is sometimes forever but workshops just spinning our wheels let's have a study session and discuss it and let the community come and tell us what they want and let's take care of business as soon as possible elsa johnson thank you you've all echoed pretty much everything i was going to say i support a study session and the sooner the better and also you're adding the holidays i think that's important as well thank you ribble councillor johnson pretty much said it what i was about to say and she said it the best so ditto i'm on board i think making small changes that are gonna make growth next to your house less painful are a good thing so i support doing this thank you for raising the issue just okay okay so i certainly understand the sooner the better i also understand that everything on our agenda is sooner the better and we also need to have staff a sensitivity to staff and when they can be prepared for a study session on this subject so i think that it's worth you exploring that and and trying to figure that out i know you have this some fun but and and that's what we'll do as it relates to the dashboard this would be just another an added study session i think we all agree to that and i would be remiss if i didn't go back and visit with staff and because i think there's an important educational component here in terms of what's allowed why is it allowed and what's our history so we were certainly will do whatever you ask and i'll schedule it i'll make sure we as soon as possible if that's fair all right thank you miss hudson and so that'll be just four just to be clear that'll be you know you're gathering that information and when you can fit that in you'll get it on why we had on lakewood or we had item twelve discussion topic for upcoming agenda i looked at that attachment which just had the one page it did not have the pigeons so that's why i'm like w fussing with the papers for so i apologize but i looked at only the link and did not look at the other part of the packet once i saw that so now i will get ready to talk about this second one  yeah i'm almost there you know it feels like an eternity but here i go so the second request for consideration is and i'm going to need to apologize to the two citizens that i spoke to and said it was not on the agenda tonight i will certainly call them and let them know it was but what i'm asking for is a request to consider amending the zoning code regarding urban agriculture to allow fancy breed pigeons and yes there are categories of pigeons fancy breed pigeons in r and artu zone districts and the whole history and background is there and what i've done is i've kind of recommended what maybe some reasonable changes considering we already allow someone in those own districts to have six hens only no roosters and so i proposed a mix but really this has to go before the planning commission it has to go through a process and so these are just some recommendations i'm not saying this is where we need to land and i would certainly be remiss if i didn't say there are folks for whom they don't want to see pigeons be allowed in these two zone districts so the other side of that we do allow them in  r but we don't allow them in the smaller ones but i think this is right for a discussion other municipalities one municipality allows up to a hundred i've put twelve as kind of a starting point for the discussion  some allow twenty five some it's a special ordinance i mean there's all these different permutations but because we're in that realm and we do have folks who are have pigeons i think it's important to discuss and come to a determination why were they only allowed in r where there's some reasons that we're unaware of or would a compromise work it is important that i want my fellow councillors to know that there are some folks who have concerns about the feeding of chickens and any kind of bird outside that can attract rodents so i'm not saying that that there aren't some concerns that need to be worked through but as a farm girl myself knowing difference between six chickens to me and while pidgins is the same that each require the same type of feeding and if you're taking good care of them you're not going to have problems anyone who's not taking care of the sick chickens is going to end up with the same problem as the person not taking care of twelve pigeons so but this is really the starting point for discussions once it goes through the planning commission if you all agree that it's something we want to let them t up on their schedule yes  i guess that was my question and i think it was just answered so this would because i know that one of the last few years we had an update involving i think chickens and the size of their coop from the i'm i'm sorry i i didn't drink coffee tonight um from the planning department annual update and so what i was wondering is if this could go into kind of that planning department annual update and through the planning commission and that sounds like maybe what you had and do we just have my active kate we just have a some some immediacy but there's other remedies so i but i do want it to go through the absolute normal process okay and getting it on their schedule i just don't know what their scheduling is like and we certainly need to open it up for discussion let people who are pro and who are opposed basically address their concerns i think that we have to be sensitive to the fact that we've recently had a rodent issue that got a lot of attention we have rodents who are multiplying because we don't have enough predators we have them multiplying for a lot of reasons so i think that it's it's fair to make sure that we broadly consider the whole piece of that but it would go through planning commission i appreciate you raising that concern and as soon as you mentioned rodents i thank you for bringing that up so i guess you're requesting a study session but if it's going to go you know it would go through planning commission then so this is the shot at it and if i have other foul ideas i should suggest them now or you could attend the planning commission meeting i'm sorry but can we get clarification on that because maybe you can with the fact do we know when there's an update coming you know we committed to an annual update and i we don't have that scheduled so i don't see it on the calendar i would i would like to kind of plagiarize bard's idea and throw in cape ins cave ins or start out life is roosters but they before they reach rooster hood they get fixed and they produce a much better eating experience so if we could add cape ins because we don't steer is a i mean i know what a capon does but can we slaughter anything and they can meet very tragic accidents all right just in time oh thanksgiving so i mean in all seriousness that does bring up a good point i mean there's a there's probably other things and we are opening the zoning code with recommendations via the development dialog and and i guess first off is there we're gonna have a chicken committee we've done it before kind of so what i'm getting to you so let's just narrow it down is there consensus to look at the proposal with pigeons okay all right so we have that and tabled the cape ins until we have our regular update expert in the field from the county agriculture services and her state v what what we might be able to add to the farm to table menu without putting the public at risk of any let's request that planning commission maybe does that in their analysis of pigeons and cape anne's councillor libr what are you gonna add  pins and check pigeons fancy pigeons we're clear on that planning commission they can bring in somebody to maybe talk about other animals with that recommendation that would come to us we'll have the planning staff or the information for the planning commission thank you thank you all right other general business i had one thing and it was just kind of an update but a question as well so the we had a workshop on campaign finance and it was very informative and i think the kameez done a great job my question is there were still a lot of questions and we didn't have an attorney who was there and i'm curious without without stunting the process how could we get to a point because we just have first and second reading to get some of those questions answered i sure been able reading it first or second reading i'd you know break it out we i had requested that we have an attorney present we had an attorney an attorney has vetted all of this probably the preeminen lexington attorney or one of them in in all colorado and i wanted to make sure that we had someone present who could vouch for the fact that what we're looking at  is legally correct so that continues we run into kind of a logistics thing because we have folks that if not now soon will be raising money for upcoming elections and they'll be doing it under old rules and most of the folks who are going to challenge  we'll be announcing later and they'll be operating under the new rules and if we don't provide some kind of catch up mechanism then that will be some unfair advantage and that we don't want any of this to be  the legal adviser today and we're setting up a phone conversation with him on thursday to answer some of those questions but i would just offer that a city council has questions about it that may be legal or not to go ahead and send those to me and the ones that are legal or run by mark grew skin and those that are they're all run by councilman abel and the committee to explain does that make sense  it does but my concern is that's kind of done out of the public view when we have as we did the other night a discussion of it evolve of council or our committee meetings public's been invited to public's been welcome to comment conversation so the second reading is scheduled for december th so if if we could get those questions in advance it'll help direct that conversation and we can expect to have a robust conversation on december th as it stands it's a pretty light agenda so we can afford to from a time perspective we can afford to have a thorough conversation on the th so it's always really helpful again to have questions in advance certainly areas we can talk with each other two at a time one on one and each of us have ward mates that are on the campaign finance committee and i would encourage everyone to first ask their ward mate just what we were thinking when we came up with that idea so if you have questions you can talk to the ward mate you you can talk to me but with anything of substance i just rather have it in a public public forum and and my point to bring it up was there were some questions unfortunately that weren't able and it's a lot of stuff and so i didn't want to get to second reading and have us trying to you know amend it or do different things or answer that because it's actually unless i'm looking at a different night it's a busy night at short term rentals and non cigarette tobacco retailers that that evening good for a robust conversation we'll make sure to keep that evening pretty light to accommodate a good conversation thank you thank you anything else under general business council reports and just a quick reminder we have one more meeting tonight so we'll be really quick sister cities had a nice banquet the kids from southern when shire were here again and so we had a great opportunity to have dinner with them and some of the american children who are going pretty soon to go do their their six month tour ballots are out vote though early get them in people quit calling you start at the bottom work your way up and a lot to take in and then we heard tonight and it's something that this council hears a lot about the way people drive slow down give people a break out there it is it is actually really bad it's noticeable and it's dangerous so that's all i have for my reports mayor pro tem thank you mayor i just want to react oh that  wodsworth and pierce within a one week period we had four accidents there and they were pretty devastating so please please please i ask everybody patience take your time johnson no report also vincent just a quick quick comment we talked about sears and sears closing and to my knowledge we're scraping the only sears kit house that's in lakewood so there'll be no connection to sears at all we had one and it's gonna be gone l subida i know report but i think we do still have some unfinished business with regard to the proclamation so wanted to remind you that go ahead as just getting back to that then so let me just speak a little bit to it mayor you said well this is a proclamation and i don't know what that means in terms of anybody's authority and how it's any different than a resolution or anything else i did take the liberty to go back and look at our charter seven point one talks about acts by council there's only one only two ways to do it either by an ordinance or resolution  that's charter seven point one talks about two three the authority of the mayor it doesn't talk to anything about a proclamation having the mayor have the authority of our to do a proclamation i looked at our policies and procedures manual ordinances in terms that i could find in terms of a proclamation now maybe you know something i don't i that that pretty well exhausted my research but if there's some history or something i should know about you might want to explain it to me but i have a problem because this this document says that it's the representing this board a decision by this board and i've never voted on it i don't remember ever voting on it or discussing it and  it certainly does not represent my view on this duly noted i asked lily to send on more information this is a mandate by the federal government via the constitution of the united states of america and a proclamation is a ceremonial function and i'm the ceremonial head of the city had i known that it was going to cause heartburn i would have i don't even know i honestly i'm kind of taken aback it's a proclamation the the census is critically important to the city of lakewood and all of our funding so to politicize it i don't quite understand i'm just being honest with you and i  respond certainly i'm not politicizing at all i think that's what this does though it i have no problem with the concept of supporting the this the united states census which is provided for under the united states constitution i have no problem with that what i have a problem with is us as a council supporting a executive order by the governor and we've never been asked about  we've never woulda i've never even seen the executive order none as far as i know i don't know anybody has i don't know what that thing looks like and we've never voted on it we've never discussed on discussed it and so i i find it objectionable and i think this thing should be withdrawn if you know if we want to redo this in terms of a resolution of this board that says we support fully support a fair and complete census in the two thousand and twenty i'm fine with that i'm not sure why we're doing it now it seems awfully premature since we got fourteen months before that's even gonna start so it seems to me it would be more appropriate to talk about that as we get closer to it and determine if there are really any issues on it at this point i haven't heard that there are any issues about how the census is being done so i think it should be withdrawn and you know and it should go through the proper procedure before going to do something like this and i don't think it's been done so the reason why believe it or not it is taking off the office is open in the city of lakewood they're actively hiring they're looking for committees are looking for co chairs this is you just don't start two thousand and twenty and then say we're going to start this  starts now so that's that's why and again it's already been issued as a proclamation i just wanted to add my understanding is based on the the past ones i've seen is the goal is to create an awareness for event or an awareness of something happening i certainly did not see this at all partisan i see this as in order for the citizens of colorado and certainly the citizens of lakewood to ensure that we get as many dollars that were due it's important to count folks but my understanding and maybe that's different than others is these proclamations create an awareness maybe the suicide prevention or of other types of things too you know we're on camera and we're hoping a ton of people watch although don't know how many but you know the whole goal is to make sure communities aware of these things there's also an employment opportunity and we know that there's folks out there that need employment and there's you know so i guess my understanding i hope it's not different from too many folks up here it's really more to create an awareness and i certainly would push back if i saw something being partisan in a way that i was uncomfortable with but i didn't see it in this case and i appreciate councillor be this perspective but on this one it's really to create that awareness let people know be sure to fill this out respond you know make sure everybody in your household is counted because it matters it matters to the services we can provide to our citizens so that's just my take and i certainly wanted to share that with folks mayor i just have a question is this language that is in this proclamation will all cities be voting on the exact same language do you know and i guess i'm assuming all cities will be voting on the same voting on this so first of all it's just a proclamation it's not a resolution it's a ceremonial acknowledgement that the two thousand and twenty census is kicking off and that there's a lot of opportunity for the city of lakewood not only to have a complete count but because there's jobs attached to this within the city of lakewood and again there's a whole protocol now i was not mayor in and ten but the city staff does i mean engage in this there's a lot to the census than just the federal government's engagement and so i'm not sure margie he works on  work on on proclamations and sometimes there's language that's adopted reused changed for the city of lakewood it just varies so it there's the potential that not every city will have the very same language  okay i did receive a phone call today regarding this and the concern was that it was signed prior to the vote i am just giving that input to you okay okay well just to remind counsel that there was not a vote so it's just like any other proclamation that we've issued so councillor gutwein and then i want to move on with with reports please well i have no report so i'll save time there i just wanted to echo councillor franks and that that is also my understanding that these are just awareness opportunities and that i  respect that we shouldn't be partisan on as a nonpartisan body and for me the the only thing in here is a mention of colorado's governor and his his name and so you know i for me that's not a partisan issue this is important for the city of lakewood and then just as a i guess a heads up to anyone if minor changes if if it would make people more comfortable so thank you and sixty teller street we're gonna have a great nonpartisan nonprofit group that's gonna be giving out handouts doing a video and having other materials regarding all the ballot issues which i can assure you are helpful because i did mine last night and it took me a lot of time but anyway thanks okay thank you miss gray mister cox miss hassan can i i'd like to just add one thing and that is i had the opportunity to spend half a day with our cat team this last week and i you have a lot to be proud of with these men and women i got to meet some of our disadvantaged population and it was quite an experience and i like i said i have a great pride of our police department as well as our cat team they do amazing work thank you thank open public comment on the consent agenda i'll close public comment and i'll ask director roy ball for motion further adopting the annual budget for the lakewood reinvestment authority for the fiscal year beginning on the first day of january two thousand and nineteen and ending on december thirty one two thousand and nineteen estimating the amount of money to be derived from tax increment financing update or mister doar i'm sorry mister chairman paul and commissioners larry door the city of lakewood finance director but i'm also the treasurer of the lakewood reinvestment authority and i was present for the budget study session of the liquid reinvestment authority on september th and provided this draft two thousand and nineteen budget coordinated of course with mister smith and his team and of course our city manager who also serves as an officer of the liquid reinvestment authority at that time i just described really the independence of the lakewood reinvestment authority and it's special powers under the colorado statutes to implement urban renewal in the city of lakewood and gave a little bit of an overview of the finances nothing's changed in the draft proposed budget what's different about the lra is that the budget is adopted via resolution so that's a little bit that's a little bit different but this two thousand nineteen budget doesn't set forth any new projects any new initiatives of course i gave a little bit of an update as to what's happening in the alameda streetscape project of course that was originally authorized in the two thousand and eighteen budget well underway and we expect hard scape construction to continue throughout the fall and into the early part of the winter and be concluded at that time and then for landscape construction to happen in the spring of two thousand and nineteen so for two thousand and nineteen really functions as a pass through for all the various redevelopment projects that have already been approved and are well underway so there are no new special initiatives and i have no further presentation for you tonight thank you well thank you very much seeing none please cast your vote