own game pucks and it's a hockey game because when i was younger i always wanted to play hockey and i had like these sets of trading cards of ha of like hockey trading cards and all i did was i placed them out on the on the floor and i just started throwing about each other and then my dad came downstairs and he saw what i was doing and he said oh i can or does this explain the rules and then i explain the all the rules to him and then he went downstairs into the workshop and he created for me wow and then the morning after right on the table was eating breakfast the place down and i beat him twice it was hilarious but after that like a couple years after  mom got the first i phone and i told her it looks a lot like a hockey rink i wonder if you can make it into an app because apps are all the rage back then and they still are so with the help of one of the with the help of a developing team from india we made the app oh and i believe seven or nine something around there not so great it's crazy and then what happened so then what happened was we had well my dad had this really cool friend named jonathan and he introduced us to this really awesome guy named tim drake and tim draper runs this nonprofit organization called business world and what this road does is it tries to teach entrepreneurial skills to kids like us and they have their own workshops kind of like what we're doing now and  created like um different islands per se and each of the stations or islands has like different questions or multiple choice questions and the player has to like answer the questions and then if they get the question right actually selling it on the stock market and that it yeah that awesome from what the journey from when you first start up to creating the idea into researching it to finally launching into the public and growing it and then finally going public fully public and just releasing it to the stock market it's it's really fun it was a really fun game oh my gosh it's like all over the place you guys have been doing events you're you're at the y m c a yeah grams what age is the game targeted for its targeted basically too which is like middle schoolers elementary to middle schoolers that's our target but we the best thing about our game is you can create different card decks for different for different places so we right what did you do and can you tell anybody about this ok so i only played the game and we noticed it when we did the cards we didn't really understand what the words were and there are like no chance of us getting that question right because we had no at i think with mastery a i it kind of sounds like mystery so but i learned it was expert scalar knowledge many successful businesses actually really living your game yeah because your business is actually evolving and as your game is being introduced to the world yeah how does that feel it feels pretty surreal like you're it's  translating our own experiences into the game and it's like i'm reliving it all over again and i just what we want to do is we want to bring that experience that we're having right now to everyone else so they can create their own experiences and it's the more people that can have their own great ideas and the more games or ideas great ideas they can make it's really powerful stuff it is very inspiring inspiring for what things that interest like you say that you know all of your colleagues your friends yeah they're really interested in this right they want to learn how to create their own business so you can lay this out with the game and then have them be inspired by you guys and  with their own ideas yeah that be successful at it and most of them don't already have their own ideas but they don't know the language to use when they go and they try to pitch their ideas this is an example of a pitch so like for the app that i had to make for i had to pitch to him in front of a whole board and i had created an entire slide show showing what my app would do for him and what the benefits would be and how great it would be when it finally is released out there and what this game does especially with like the dictionary it shows them like not only what the words mean but includes like a sentence or two explaining what how it's used in context so the kids can say oh that's how let's just say for example used so if you're going in speaking in public you can say oh they like such and such has such great as like a master in this in this field like teaching the kids the vocabulary that they need can bring them up up on to the whole nother level because like when it's doing it's creating like i like a ground basis for them so if they want to pursue this field they can go into the college or high school they have like a ground knowledge of what of what the top of what the field is so they can go in and build on it further well it is all about the pitch right yes yes it is and you guys everybody out there can relate to watching all the shows where the you know shark tank or whatever and you're hinting at an early you get that pitch so concisely yeah it will roll out all the opportunities how's that for you guys working together it's family this this evolved into another one of the businesses that you guys are creating so tell us really quickly about where you think you're going to go from here what do you think's going to happen if you think of yourself five years from now that's a good question five years from now  i'm thinking that we're going to win more games and a lot more expansion packs in like hopefully we can bring our game to lake different markets and what i'm hoping to see out of this game is to be arithmetic and science and language all that stuff but if they have like something that's going to be used like every day once when you're older in the real world it's going to be you're going to get like one step and then on everyone else so i hope  you're really good at it and i love that you're very modest in your aspirations for yourself because but you both that is that you just want to keep giving back and that is something that will always bring back war opportunities so congratulations both of you thank you so we're looking forward to meeting your thanks for being here today on talented people thank you let's hear from you guys as the parents talking about how you feel about your adorable and very very smart soldier and doing such amazing work in the world it's magic every single day i mean you know we've always set out to help teach our children to discover the value in their own very own ideas right and that's how the concept of product productive play really unfolded you know we looked at what we can do during the time that we have everything else that's going on in life and we decided think about a little differently you know have those conversations and find out what joe is thinking about you have the same kind of conversations with heidi and when we heard the kinds of things they were thinking about it led to ideas they were having and so that turned into family time activities we can do together and you know it's magic because what that turned into none of us could have ever anticipated right we set out to help our kids love strategy seems really like checker or something i mean any kind you can connect for that's always our favorite scatters and the other person is looking at their you know the pieces on the ground they always play games and we always play them for the children to learn the strategies to win so it wasn't you get to when it was you need to figure out how to win right and there would be some learning along the way but a lot of it would be the experience part you know that's exactly what those is there you go right that way that so tell everybody about this the launch really is the roadmap to running the foundation language in business first and foremost if you never think about being a business you have to understand how to speak that language right boy we figured out that it's a pretty big language yes but we have about thirteen other words i think so far in the dictionary and yeah right you know but the idea is you know business in anything in life you make these kinds of what choices you need to be something that is fun to segue what you love what you're passionate about and so the thing that we kind of thought might might be improved in the learning of business is make that part fun right that's where literally joe united came out of school one heidi you know she had her whole doll you know manufacturing that she wanted to do so she made customs doll clothing for american girl dolls and she sold them on line and so we didn't know how to sew and so we taught we we both learned how to sew right w talking to your friends because they're like outsourcing what do you write about yeah exactly the right so that's where this game came about for them teaching them and it's fun because it's candyland it's trivial pursuit match together it's it's going through the different islands you know and learning different skills and that was a fun experience in and of itself because each of us you know how to different role when we set out a note in a rainy weekend a couple of summers ago we said ok let's go figure out how to make it far right joey sent off and he started researching the vocabulary right laura laura and i they started researching gameplay what were the things that brought us back to our favorite games right what made us want to keep coming back and playing those are important elements two t two a game right right i set out on challenges what do you invest man you know tests that we can concoct and put in there and keeping it all fun and experience all right that's how the movement would be able to continue and you know that's the figure that out it was really it must've been a lot of fun to actually have to take into consideration all of what you were teaching to come up with the packaging in to get the earth work done right i mean it's beautiful high and really great for classrooms like you said yes in colleges universities business those home schooling but you're actually creating a business while you're creating a book a game about how to create a business well you learn about each other through that you're right never business goes through this right you learn what each person strengths are right and you learn how to leverage that and bring it together i used to say used to say i'm not  e i didn't stand that creative meant other things other than making things look beautiful i did not know that until not that long ago part of this whole learning experience right that's great but you know to be able to see the you know the different superpowers come together on a team right it elevates the entire experience overall and teaches collaboration so working together you know each other skills you can work off of it and collaborate and then you can you have a weakness always reach out you know and find that help and that's a skill that you bring out the rest of your life how has this been received by that you know consumers in the community why i think it's great i mean obviously the you know the wife picked it up to do their afterschool program children are coming up with new ideas i mean i don't know and i think it's been gray and when i did a i think it's and also well there's so much interest to like you have like the thing we started in a in of in a very specific focus spot because that's where our family was right but by taking the time and figuring out all those extra design elements thank you go into it it allowed us to be able to expand that vision and you could really see different versions of the game that's really catered tailored to specific audiences right now so the magic of the formula you know works it's kind of timeless in that way and then you can just adapt and adjust the content enrich it first pacific groups universities are already having conversations with us corporations are having conversations with international two so it's not right i mean english it's going to be in other languages resources to translate the idea that joey and heidi had of designing their own custom rocket ponds right in not only me in the file but then provided the resources to help actually confront them you know as they as they are in their first one  one hundred sales which made what four hundred rockets yeah now all of a sudden really excited yeah you could just tell us about it show with tell us how the game plays so none of us are just sure everybody gets two million dollars cash to start and within each set of cards there is a number of knowledge on the choices that you get to go through that's an opportunity to accumulate money ok right and then there's a series of investment challenges those are the opportunity to utilize your money can business decisions that's where the learning comes into play of making good decisions versus bad decisions right right there's also one more really exciting kind of hard built into the game which is called boom or bust and that adds that real life random element you never raised so the first one that i have a peer is analysis means analysis means a detailed examination of something or b to discuss something and then if it was my turn i would say and then i would get to flip the card over and with the answer a detailed examination of something every one of the cards comes with an additional tip and insight to build on that learning why out with this one we have did you know the data is being collected and analyze all the time in everything you can your brain is doing it right so there's these helpful reinforcing lessons all the way through each step and if you didn't know the answer all you have to do is state is one of your ye just let everybody out there knows already at the end of the show where would people go to get to get access to buying this for their schools and selves absolutely games available at productive play dot net w w no you know productive play dot net well congratulations to all of you know your a