taking things and selling them we have been taken and been sold who we were auctioned to the highest bidder we were given for mere script for imaginary things called money we were sold like here try to stay away from that we don't touch that stuff with our hands so well i only really been twenty dollars but then somebody you know said fifty dollars and then i kind of got suckered up to like fifteen dollars and you bid twenty and joe said fifty joe said fifty and then you were stuck paying fifty eight yeah they wrote my name down and everything  has really always been that goofy guys love song really very nice we're going to start with that one women coming so you are from minnesota i am in minnesota and you came all the way down to bid in this auction yeah and you've been a music fan for all these years yes yes i'm i feel very privileged to be owned by only less production yeah so speaking of production value i believe you know something about this i do explain it how is it you know something about production values i have been a techie for a lot of years i was a technical director for ten years and i learned a lot about audio production and a lot about video production and multimedia and it was really a good learning experience and i don't have to do it much anymore and i'm kind of thankful for that so i guess it's a treat to be to reach the pinnacle of audio production which is recording the show yeah this is my yes i was just thinking about how way back when i was in college i had an audio recording project we recorded a book i think you were part of that with me you don't remember i don't remember yesterday well anyway afterwards as we were recording it we made some mistakes or whatever and i said well that's ok i can go back and edit it later and at that point i think you were still working on like a four track analogues right over there and you didn't understand what you were just like so fascinated with like what do you mean you can just like cut and paste it on the you know the different tracks and yeah i was still splicing to write yeah so like that's like my first audio production experience how is it with you with you know yeah wow isn't that a fun anecdote you know what was the story oh gosh it was a children's book about this spider maybe the spiders landing or something were doing this i do remember this now it was a project for class and college did we do voices and stuff yeah ok yeah there was a several people involved i know you were one of them does this exist anywhere still i don't know so stories you say that you started your audio production career and then i know these chords that will do that one and for whatever reason we started doing that song in the middle the night i remember we did that song you've lived in illinois in champaign illinois too but not when i did write no i don't think so i think i moved to minnesota the great wine experts of the world know that the true secret to a great wine is freshness the most respected wine makers are those that understand the  here you know what i appreciate about about you guys is that i think you have something to say in a goofy way and it's clever and it's funny and relevan has something to say and it's kind of the truth and it's sort of funny because it's true right all right well here it is our music it's the best demographics well thank you very much for joining us and we are very proud to have done this show with you today oh it's an honor we like to invite you back at some point for our show on the house