in new york and welcome to thirty frames a nd this and that was yes i am pleased to be here as the host today i'm calling lafayette and so i'm here that the native people the indigenous population that we called indians well oftentimes miss and so we want to know why you know why they're not here you know we get to get to parishioners you want to see them so join it to u to uncover his mission clientele proud of because he's also a distinguished man net has been honored for his career as a journalist his career with the man had neighborhood networks his career as a photographer he is probably one of the finest o given it my mom had to lock up everything you said be given away all the time folks in our neighborhood hated it you know clothing toys books whatever right so i was always kind of like my out for the person getting shafted cmdr dog people you never remember so that's when i been or dangerous two years in the united church and i got called up there except for the job at a small church that was traditionally right and i didn't know it at the time right where the missionaries had wiped out the last of the the indians who well half the people here are native i don't see any natives in the churches i don't see them working in the stores what's going on so i went out and found out for myself it's not the whites want to talk about it they all said well everyone keeps to themselves we like it that where it kind of like the old apartheid origin yes yes yes but we call it segregation down south yeah well they go in canada but they don't call it segregation they still got the single the indian act which you're not allowed to have under international law it's liberal left wing yes you know but that's not true on the ground at all and i encountered that as soon as i went on start visit in the native folks started bringing them into my church and a lot of the older white folks didn't like that just had a guilty conscience they knew what it going on in these indian schools where half the children died but nobody knew it really happened it's all i started publishing the stuff in the mid to late eighty's after i got turned out of the church for research was in the stuff so i mean for me it began in that way i figured that's what you do if you're christian minister you go and especially towards the people that you want historically you've got to try to listen to them and don't tell them anything but just listen and try to look at your own  into i heard stories that you know the role of this or being killed in the local residential school is the story i talk about in my my documentary on the path of a native fisherman danny gus told me that his best friend was murdered buried in the hill behind school because i'd asked him why there weren't any natives in the churches and he said yeah the whites know about it they just want to see the church because they know what they did to us and i heard those kind of stories every new home i went into i used to take food thing right now they put enormous spin on the whole thing but at the time you know they just denied it all so that went on for about two years my congregation grew from about twenty to one hundred people it was full t corporate friends you know in the case of the united church the biggest logging company in the world waterholes or limit this is seattle was a donor and macmillan blood elf these two companies were donors to the united church so the united church made sure they got all their land they grew up in the natives i found out about that and i said wait a minute in our policy manual it says if we have native land in our possession that's supposed to go back to the original folks free of charge and we're not supposed to make money off stolen land right so nice policy but in practice there was big money going on yes and i was fired up because i was told i had to be passed really retrain scapegoated and so i got fired i couldn't get another job within the church to block that from happening and then what's even more grotesque is the church went to my wife and said we're going to make sure this guy's never going to work again if you want to leave them to pay for the divorce which they did and she got custody of the two kids and this was really weird they knew she was going to get  they made an arrangement in the family court system and this is what i mean about canada you know the the courts the give an example the head of the supreme court in canada sits on what's called a pretty council which is the old colonial body of the family court that i would get my kids it was all done that they decently quickly so that at that point i was unemployed unemployable lost my kids you know the smear campaign started so you can get work anywhere but the good began to hold protests began to confront the churches her you talked about the research well i you know at the university were trying to get a doctoral degree but that got blocked as well i found all these documents and that's in my book murder by decree yes doctorate degree and that same year and they acquired all of the records these were michael from records from the indian residential schools in british columbia and i began to find material in there there was just mind blowing it showed a fifty percent death rate talked about killed they had buried kids out back you know whole gamut of horrors and one of the women said i'll never forgive my mother because she never came and got me so i whipped out this document and i said i found this it's called the application for admission form every native parent had to sign it or they'd go to jail it signed away than legal guardianship rights to the church so i said your mother couldn't do anything should go to jail that she had done this and this woman broke into tears and it's like this enormous w life was just lifted and we took him copy that and burned it in the fire after him and kind of you know to kind of a people see and later she said i don't have to hate her anymore i can see i said put your head where it belongs you know at the rea are systems that try to wipe you know and so a little bit of knowledge just amazingly empowers the people and on the basis that people began to want to do something more than just sit and talk about their pain that's going to get hit the churches  protest conferences we put this in the face account of the fifteen years nonstop and we got a lot of coverage until the shutdown the two thousand and eight when the government official put officially apologized and they put in a spin and they had the help of the native chiefs with  overwhelming us we went through a similar thing and then we know that the united states did that with the dallas commission which was designed to make sure that the natives in this country were not l women well it's actually cool families going missing all over northern british columbia still to this day and you know it's big money involved it's to force like it's always been the force native families off the land get the water the ra chinese american companies just bind up the whole area and so there's always been big money behind genocide right yes and that's unfortunately road that in child trafficking occurs on but i often say to people when one door closes in your government kind of co opted it and paid off a lot of people that people in ireland heard about it and they said yeah we've got the same battle here with the catholic church same crimes and in fact the death rate in the mag the laundries in the it's been an amazing ride and i just but it shows you you know when you scratch anywhere you see the same same thing genocide and crime and cover up every where you know one of the good things about the ad and piece though is that the well the priest began to luther yeah and it always starts old like the reformation started out pretty conservative but then a mushrooms and it become to lead to all sorts of things including the american public venture with the idea of self governance  but in this case the these catholic priests they refused to full of this policy which you can see in murder by decree it's called criminal civil suit tennis it's a latin word and it says every catholic in the world has to cover up child rape when it it's it's telling every american catholic you have to be to commit treason you've got to ignore the count the family of the child protection laws of your own country because of a vatican policy right and a lot of priests are saying no well not a lot at this point but a lot of these guys in ireland are are saying no and actually now because over there they have a tradition of militancy here you know they fought the british for many centuries and i was times just last week that pope francis announces he's going to have a new law in the catholic church today against child rape but they don't still don't have to report it to the police that's correct and so it's the same old policy but he's put a smiley face on it priest to head of all the jesuits in three years the same year the military took over and then he became buddy buddy he became a p r man for the military that were killing over thirty thousand dollars of their own people just like in chile and throwing people out of well yeah there was more than the catholics but they set up the model originally and they've been out of the longest they have diplomatic standing with the united nations for some reason the thing is don't i mean it's they've got a lot of inside track a lot of money a tradition of doing this was take team and the thing is when the lawsuits started the churches all go together they planned their legal strategy together they had support of the government so this church and state they operate as a single body in this crime and in the cover up that's happened since then yeah that's what i was really concerned about because you know we see a lot about the queen these days in the news we see a lot about the black sister who's married into the family and the new baby and all of this stuff but we don't hear anglican church of england when we began to talk about the crimes of church and state and so i just want to be clear to the audience this and this then is that the anglicans ah as much a part of this yeah and as the catholics very much and they're called the pi analyzed them and said these are the bones of a child about five years old and had been burned and cut up probably incinerated after being chopped up with his excitement says he offered to come up and work with us six weeks later he does if it can be a heart attack so that didn't dig of a residential school bravely changing history yet it was totally censored out of the media and you know the usual smear kicked in about all everything we did so i mean that's the point this stuff has been professionally run from the start dead like um i got a pale skin so i'm still alive it's healthy right there was no they don't kill people like me they just try to discredit the good gal afraid of them so they don't listen to what they have to say but now there's the topic is more respectable is more legitimate now to talk something still so you find more people come out of the same thing though i remember right after i got thrown out of the united church every clergyman in the united church got a special letter saying if the name it's hard to get to that about a rd of all this amazing figure i found out there's about a rd of all clergy in north america at some point get some for some form of work dismissal and for labor practices three they're fired without cause they get jacked around really bad and yet they never talk about it right and so it's a really big it's got one of the highest professional burnout rates of any group i think autoworkers union was actually going on sort of fine clergy and so this wouldn't just be ministers but the janitors the church chancellor is everybody in you know but canada you know people got cold feet and whatever but you know didn't get so it's almost like any religion they stay protected they don't have to pay taxes there's a hole or that we can't be touched and you're tempted to play god and have the power over people so i think it's a had on my radio show which i do on sundays a woman who used to be a fairly high up member of the mormon church salt lake city she described to me as a young girl being taken into ceremonies she was sermon or you raped she saw people getting killed catholic bishop showing up and leaving with mormon kids and never being seen again and now there's go to some strange relationship between the mormon and the catholics the mormons just opened a temple in rome and the catholic church consider them a pagan cult and yet here they are with a new temple and a private audience with pope francis the head of the mormon church so they've got of some kind of relationship there so i mean at that level it's the same kind of corruption going what we need to began to continue this discussion and we need to continue at this discuss it in the community because if this is going to end then the parishioners and the checks need to be both and the community needs to  well yeah and it keeps it's funny it keeps like anything is stay out over a lifetime it keeps growing all the time and when people come in and one of the things that's been a disappointment as to people who you'd think politically would back this stuff ha case there was the editor of the pacific tribune of the communist party newspaper on the west coast i believe and i when i st began to bring this stuff out i went to them because i figure well you know they're natural allies for the stuff they said yes and i remember the can become part of the status quo mentally and you don't even realize it so unfortunately a lot of people who i would have thought would be natural allies are fairly conservative when it comes to things like genocide in their own backyard yeah a member at a friend neil cohen he was a white south african he said growing up in apartheid south africa didn't matter what your politics were you were on one side of the barricades and you weren't suffering you know the whites had unprivileged and you could close up the left wing but were you really part of the solution really maybe in your own mind i find very similar with apartheid in canada the aborigines stuff like the left and i don't know don't want to run them down because they're just a victim of their own cultural environment i know and i was there until run them down yeah but they're not there like there hasn't been anyone from the left who supported this campaign and i think it's kind of the attitude of well if we had if this genocide had been going on we would have known about it right like why wouldn't why would we know about it there was kind of that mystified thing but even when we help protest in that people didn't show up they said all we can pick of the united church we hold our meetings there or they supported our are unemployed coalitions so we can't detect them and i said be able to see children's lives this is genocide so i think you know white privilege really affects you it doesn't matter what your politics is you've got to really look you've got to have your life turned inside of like my head was a global industry this child trafficking in the system and it's it's a it's like everybody's on the reservation nothing and you know the recent example in rockland county where all the kids had to be vaccinated yes and the parents would go to jail if they weren't for six months that's like right out of the indian act if you didn't put your kids in a residential school you go to jail for six months right right and people are actually shocked now well it's been gone for a long time people just doesn't happen to you and now we're all getting a taste of what it's like to be on the reservation  know and you know if anything that means we've got to unite now that's the thing we've got to have that base is a unity regardless of your politics are and yes yes defend the earth defend our liberties defend our children i mean what's more basic right  and he said when i do good i feel good when i do bad i feel bad i'm lookin i'm sixty three now and i'm i'm lookin for somebody to house the church onto so i'm really looking for people in the end generation education lot of what i do a girl running deflectors workshops business to show people how we can set to you have already been out here on the battlefield for life today but now it's your time your journey and all of this work has been done and this man's family was destroyed in the struggle for him always whatever we want to call it it is a battle that's got to be a grace against an enemy that has no respect for human life no respect for any animal life no respect for the beautiful trees in this garden in which comment all the time this kind of ass kicking side right because in canada you know you're just people like that if you're if you challenge authority at all right there's a fear of disorder that you don't get triangle and you know so i talk about that in there and people can see all that on amazon just put on my name come in and see all my books so your books all on amazon another thing i do is a written two books once a whistleblower manual argentina he's had a long relationship with the queen of the netherlands her name's maxime's area and she's argentine as well her father was in the military junta and she there was a dutch journalist called ella store that i work with and ella found out that this has been pain the present pope twelve thousand dollars euros a month for the last nine years now why she would be painting him as a question because it's interesting when a lot of these stories were st camino out about the children going even the present pope and the previous s are at the ceremony so these guys are involved in more sordid things than has ever come out yet and like with the stories that st surfaced in canada it realize it is how sacrifices yes and it's it's not inconceivable when you look at all of the evidence you know these people all over the world are describing the same kind of ceremony going on there now this is being confirmed by journalist police officers people know about it it's like with the indian residential school runs for a long time if you mention a dead child fifteen years ago that if you're crazy now everyone's talking about it