rudi looking forward to talking to you is really i'm glad we were able to put this together on a rainy ride thank you for coming in and looking forward to learning and i bear with me i'm going to be learning a lot and it's interesting story to tell and we're going to be investigating that and some of his thoughts about i don't know the nuclear industry the place of that within the energy pattern of the world and other matters and because a rod that welcome very scientist you're iranian an interesting combination and i wonder if you could please because we have a full fifty eight minutes now could you share some of your background your own you know your where you were born and raise them your education and maybe we could talk about the energy industry britt large particularly the relates to iran and particularly nuclear energy within that energy pattern but could you share your own personal background please i was born and raised in seventy nine big even bigger event had you studied science before you came to tennessee or university then you know undergraduate work there are no no i only high school you know i did all  here we have high school younger students they some will be marked college preparatory they're going to get ready to go to university other people will learn trades or something is it that way and where you marked for university no i have finished high that i get the example interest to the university in tehran as you know in most places other than united states is an entrance examination to the university before i can come to united states i see so i studied hard for that unfortunately i did pass it pushed to defend departments which department fit one was physics the other one flaws economics physics and  telling me that as far as nuclear powers concerned the use of nuclear you know to make power that it was had the safest record of any industry in the history of the industrialising process no you get any and you told me on the telephone the other day that there had never been if i'm not mistaken set me straight because you're wherever there never been with a power plant nuclear power plant vision nuclear power plant a single that was just directly a nuclear power plant there's never been a human loss of life except somebody falling off a ladder and directly asked so she did it in three mile island to do than to anybody please remind i land was the best tests that tell you that that is a safe industry how is that because they thought of it because that almost all the kind of  that you could have made was made at soon but it's survived without any melting meltdown or to be of any damage outside so since three mile island gentleman he's a environmentally minded person who had a great number of people ascribe to he's an older man but he's got this notion of the earth as an organism and very ecologically tune and everything and he has just recently some of the people in the audience might be surprised he just recently come out in support of nuclear energy as a power source for non polluting of the environment we're going to be able to talk about waste and that kind of thing we have those problems but he's come out in support of that too but the utility industries are very in ordinance really open to public scrutiny and public input so that a if there is such a thing as a misinformed public about the safety of it they would have an inordinate ability to affect industries and they were able to put a stop to it because it's so shit with the radioactive destruction of the atomic weapons so forth and that there's a mismatch in the consciousness of people and i would presume perhaps you think friends it where we're going to pour all this stuff that idea is that they put it there and some people object to putting good there's some studies said that it's a safe place and it's as safe as any place that you might think of but still it comes transported to there have to transport the which is not the big deal well you say it's not a big deal but they say we're going to transport radioactive waste material this destructive of genetics or something through there then we're going to have these kind of scenarios can be put forth affectively by concerned citizens who relate to the and there's a fear of atomic energy because of the could associate you with the bomb and the atomic weaponry and that's a question of the difference between atomic energy for borrowers purposes and for weaponry and so and then the put them out and fire me at them to see that hold the sand and they would put there those few on that kind of one goes and definitely they'll be scored by security so it's overblown you say ok it's by far overblown i think that but it can be marshal effective am i concerned be more so than other aspects of the ability of the people to affect policy yeah by that i think that  worry about ending and maybe we should share because atomic i think in france is something like forty percent of the enter in john in europe and right now france is just past a fusion of the few fusion to build and bring it to the market that is almost to the max right now is it really you mean a kind of for example right now b to the max if we have a growing market for energy in china and other places there's going to be a demand for energy there must be plans to be able to meet that demand and so forth of how many would look at it that you're hungry you go to it you can get as much food as you can your hands yeah you're hungry you need the and import to decisions that are affected in the good be the decisions by a population not well informed could be working against what the possibilities for a progressive use of energy might well be that's going to i think have to be able to transport those two distribution centers that's right you know they could feed into the grid i guess you have to be they agreed you can put this right now but he's a disconnect between the places that you can put run and then oil becomes a political tool and it tool the people would fight for it i've noticed seems to be characteristic of the contemporary moment that would seem to me so all of these is because of lack of comprehensive and acceptable energy policy on the only solution that exists right now that distrust of technology in general natural pride solar and so with but it's a little hard to see a sufficient amount or we don't have the battery technology as i would get you just geothermal or solar or wind and these kind of thing now if they are joint running their proud program having oversight as do do they have oversight now mr barr they and so forth do they have oversight for the atomic generator industry that we can the world can use nuclear power as a source for peace non polluting non polluting and also if you generate enough energy  have is this forests going to be that it's in a break to invest in atomic people bring up two noble i suppose when you talk this way there were disasters there we had a movie called china syndrome remember china and i'm just a movie is what do good fiction it was fiction just fiction yeah but it was based on those fears and those fears have been used to affect policy that is correct inappropriate when you read inappropriate in the running a nuclear power plant put every aspect we have procedures yes it is highly it is a form yeah people who work there to have gone to school a different discipline universities and they have learned to do things in a certain process very disciplined where it is not you are bringing all these people in one place which is used to a different process to unify all of them is fine each of those processes that they think it's correct but to run and you create a procedure us and it should not could it could we not get it if you've got the people let's say to a degree you know we have a lot of cyber things you had trouble redundancy systems and so forth i've heard that it would be at her no but it would be the airlines the american airlines in that they would be more efficient and safer if there were no pilot in the airplane that they human error man took a plane down because he had fought with his wife or something and you can accomplish and they got triple redundancies systems that would make it safer couldn't they have just a computer triple redundant systems that would be safer and to try to get as much as possible the human emotional possibility of some sort of a breakdown or something happening to the good missings up or guard against that somehow  because that is still a train human judgment that is far superior used to compute the idea is that you have the scram bottom that if you feel something is not correct that's another argument that is that i don't mind as a side issue but now you can have all kinds of people are going to jump up in the chair and say what we're going to have all this for you rainy and then we're going to have all of this radiation being made electricity is going to pollute is going to give us cancer we're going to down when cancer from the planet and all that and we're going to have meltdowns like china syndrome and all of these kind of things that come to the service and that public perhaps not informed in terms of what the realities are that they could be has again a strong effect and it's a place where the public being utility industry susceptible to public scrutiny they have an inordinate ability to affect things where in other aspects of the economy is protected if that's the right word from the mists understanding of the general population of the realities that the experts in that field understand and so that's the situation has led to a huge investment in time against the plants that have had to go undeveloped because of this massive public hysteria and misinformation understanding about how effective atomic energy can be but also some lames could go to  accident rather than they see that as a black box that generates energy know what it goes how much safety goes in it how much kid it goes in how much training how much work it goes and then people start to appreciate but this so that is the industry's job that there is a p r thing p r that they should do better but also how do they get over that fusion it's always been just over there rising but i see that just a given that contract to france and is that a major development is there big difference between fission and fusion as a fusion or at the same process that goes in the sun in the sun yes what prototype going in in france is that signalling that we've met the problem of ye able to utilize fusion at all or a lot of energy and why what does that thing going on in france but they be able to get to fusion react plan if you look at the fusion is not going to be it's still over the arrive but for the next thirty years that's the way and for that long but it's always been to me as i've been growing up and over the just over the arise and we're just going to get to fusion but it's a larger child and intellectually or design or something then and what is that that they're doing in friends now that's not out of our little diagram prototype that when you want to build a system y and this question is very much in the question now about the a right rainbow in development of atomic energy they want to do some people say why do you have to get atomic energy in iran when you've got all that oil but and also there are nervous about you don't make changes to them you buy em as the hot and be built and those are the ones that virus that they called him and having his safety activists and you work with those yourself no no you do not i'm sorry not yet those fast and now we can mass produce and they can they build it fast for the good to be able to take it we're going to be able to take some of the weapons grade plutonium or whatnot that are in the logically that would be a great thing for pete yes that would be very good idea because not only that you've been to spent fuel from up the commotion nuclear power plants that are sitting there is an enormous source of finish it can be in iraq that was bombed by the israelis busy yeah i don't know whether it was them one of these big who come a shell types it will no no i think i don't have much information about took a lot of nerve to do and you know a lot of people are upset with that but the the problem comes in that i saw mr rumsfeld or somebody who was the maybe israelis could bomb something jews well that too many action have been taken be done looking at the consequences or one of the consequences would be that the moslem world not be able to have atomic weaponry because it's too dangerous for the guest on how to out and we what we cannot trust the people of the world we can go and intimidate with our power but the other people cannot have because they're like children and they have to be the thought that kind of thing that's not what they got is one of cooperation approved rather than confrontation approach can solve the problems but the fact is as lone guess you draw your source and you have come from think i said i'm going to kill you you can't expect the other person to cooperate the other problem in the world today is current confrontation in your face colonialism in the moment i mean it's been neo it's been neo colonial just finance and things like that under the surface but we've got atomic we've got military bases in the one hundred and thirty and was not something to fight cause of communism which was injustice unpublished was to be fought both of which can be per haps in a new kind of way as we get along or we can destroy the species a class everywhere they will not come the leadership of the world political or otherwise will not come to find some sort of a tapping of this capability of providing for everybody that is a new possibility that these dorchen haired institutions will not allow to come there mired in the past better than a you look at it is exactly like a drunk that those who looking under this truth lie to push his home key because that lee would get he lost it was too dark yes right and right looking at him who saw the heart of the problem this is going to come we only got a couple minutes left and this is going to come to this question of the atomic development of atomic energy capability in the country use idea that you can have it might be applied in predicting chemical things there are a lot of chemical process that could be used to make weapons of it take dual use thing everybody have to stay back in the stone age that the people are already developed if they don't have the sovereign ability issues that i think these are going to be forth dug going and you're listening position because you understand iran is a place in the world you understand politically and otherwise also the very important questions about the nuclear question and that sort of thing and i really thank  coming in and sharing with me and with the audience some of your perceptions we should have more programming from you and your colleagues that can help put this in a good light and i really thank you very very much ever today paid it and it's been your pleasure the perceptions that get they goes interesting i was thinking that for the one album was going to talk about no we were running out of time it would run out of there because they were a lot more about the my evolution could have gone into so much depth and those kind of things that could eat one could have gone i didn't and you got that's