from los angeles california here is that which is with john roger that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advis i the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john roger is a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years this seminars and titled hold the image of completion but after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement let's let's just pitch the movement for a second what does it teach health wealth and happiness what else is there worth while here in the last orgies greed that all comes under health and happiness and the well to so you can afford it i was very practical and what are some of the let's say creeds codes ethics you know that's another one is like hurt yourself and don't hurt others take care of yourself so you can help take care of things and use the word help i should probably say assist but we understand to go beyond the word and get that meaning behind it it also propounds a couple things that just about destroyed ministers of certain fundamental approaches to spirit so let me destroy half a dozen more while god loves all of its creation can you imagine that profound god loves all of its creation why because god loves itself because otherwise it could be god and your part of that creation because you are also god creating yeah a little hanky panky times but still in there another thing and listen careful to this out of god comes all  when that one hit me nobody could hurt my feelings anymore oh i play the game i don't like you saying that way because that's helped them release their karma allocators this say it but i'll fire back on them and then they go to the oh woe is me and i'd say laugh make up your karma is working out in a hurry fantastic then i get to doing a lot of the devious things i have to do and they're all up here and i say you know i really gotta tell you that was all just a great big make believe it was just to alleviate your karma and everything's really fine and they go oh yeah i said but you know it was fine all along that we were working it out because god loves you and all things come from god even your misery even your pain even your tension it's not the highest god however but it's it's in the  ballpark however you have to remember the ballpark there are foul lines if you get out too far in left field or right field you're not the game so the parameters of the domains of spirit are set and we can just walk along with in them last night i was talking about the attitude the magic word great magic great great magic and it's a process of optimism and pessimism is the process of courage or discouraged and in between there you're the four crumb that you balance this consciousness on and courageous when we've been very discouraged for a long period of time but it's amazing and we've been down the hall at number two we've been so discouraged we'll go up past ten to fifteen to bounce out that negativity we had to come back to number five get in the parameters balance a life we teeter totter back armpit lack of imagination lack of fun of being a yo yo choice is always ours if out of god comes all things why are you complaining to god and prayed to god to leave you all those that are coming your way to give people say how can you look at that i mean once you broke your leg and said thank you god for this broken leg i get to be away from people for a long time and i get to do my spiritual exercises and i get to be waited on hand and foot going to put these people through the paces i want this now right that they'll be so glad when i'm well and they're going to do everything to be sure that i get well so i'll leave them alone i have involved in my life whether they like it or not you can do all of that somebody says well what about cancers thank you god for this cancer why because i'm going to use that pain that purify myself and i'm going to be able to hold to god regardless of anything thanks for the testing and the moment that i die there will be nothing that can distract me because i will have overcome the pain i will be living in god long before the devil knows i'm dead i'll be there like what about the headache what about the headache sit up straight get rid of it learn to sit up straight learn your pa like yeah yeah ok i can have a lot of things we can enter into all of these things and make them very positive but is not true as a man think of in his heart he becomes you know one of the laws of the mind is the whole of the picture in your mind that you want more of and you get it you hold the fiction in mind what less of you want to get it so when you start getting the things that you don't really care for us what have you been thinking about this is that if you see it works it's negative proofing but it's pro people come in and say our general jack got the shakes i'm just shaking look i'm just shaking the can just shake i gotta shake going to shake yeah ok you're shaking got the shakes isn't that terrible i haven't seen a big shake a lot of i don't have too many reference points i mean i'm not i'm not into vocational counseling but i'm bound to be something they'll be good maybe good job scratch somebody back will say yes but people make fun of me so i make fun of them right right back many years ago i was sitting with some students on a high school line and we were talking and one said to me look that guy cross the street is wasted is so terrible cow what a person and i looked at the person i thought i don't see the wasted in any of that and it was just shortly after that the person who had been on your side of the street came into my frequencies as i asked or got a lot of those guys they really wasted what a terrible bunch of guys oh wow i thought you know here these two people look at each other come up with the same thing and each one thought they were better well you know there is a sin called projection we do project out of our own field of inadequa ies our own field of great fear and our great concern to other people and then we attempt to make them conform to it suspect it looks all right looks pretty good on you wear really well and i said buy me a new suit that's the least you could do for me is buy me a new suit well they still have done the least for they haven't bought a new suit but at least if you're going to come to somebody with criticism be sure you can supply that that will constructively lift them or keep your mouth shut if people say well what can you say good about how the toast was bad but it's better than no breath at all and this is all that's not good enough i say buy stock in the search company also are creators and that is where we get the rub because we can create failure by stress by stress but why do you want to create stress it's like well i don't know i just get tight why don't you start paying attention to where you're tight tight across my shoulders or course you're sitting funny sort of straight a lot of potential go ways like well i always sa told me i was sloppy i can't do anything about and i have now the self again christian you're going to be absolutely crucified and you're the one who's doing it to yourself and then when you have aches and pains and distress and worry and concern and you say there's no god why this is what you did  to yourself people don't want to believe that they would much rather believe that somebody else did it to lamia you blame somebody who can take the accused of so many things i say go ahead lay another one why who cares i think it's going to bother me that you've got yourself thinking that way is that going to make think i'm a millionaire well yes and no i'm not a proponent of positive thinking because i think you also have to realize that there could be something there that isn't for you and you have the wit to get out of it and often that's the understanding you pray for or god given the understanding says get out there see what i can i that's not  just baby step out it clears it's like well why did i think that before i got i don't know why didn't you think of that before why because my folks always said i was dumb and i can't think of course that's got to a no it doesn't have to be it at this moment you transform yourself at this moment you come into that that is your awareness you know when you play a certain game of exercise a fun tennis golf table tennis badly they say keep your eye on the ball and everybody who misses it they're playing golf they start swinging they look to where the ball is going and when they get to swinging the ball is where they should have been looking the fundamental thing is watch what you're doing and when they start watching what they're doing that part of them that knows what's going on reveals itself and that boggle sailing down easy i don't know how i did it you don't have to know how you did that you do the same time next time that part of you that did it knows how to do it and if you keep it up long enough it will become a habit and then you can watch your have learned from yourself easy approach the other approach is to downgrade yourself so you never make it won't be any good we must psych ourselves up to our spiritual awareness level and let the energy flow around us through us and ahead of us to the goal what are we saying we're saying you get the picture in your mind that you want that shows that completion in the most positive beautiful way and you keep that image in your mind until you get it and one moment you waver on it you don't get it it comes in backwards sideways deteriorating then you say the lord didn't answer my prayer precisely the way you put it out precisely you engineer that used smart when you and i were delivered but you say but it didn't come in when i what i contracted it to come in not yet you have to be tested to see if you can endure because when you do you're going to be ordained with great great power and you cannot abuse it if you can't hold up on a little bit of discourage how can you hold up when the big thing comes along if somebody says you know i can't go tonight you fall apart what happens when the big test comes along you think you'll be ready i just have that thought i want to have to study i just went take a test t just to say to me well maybe a film a test i said well it might be true the field test but i'm no dummy when it comes to tests this is when i started the radical thinking process and the teacher was really quite perplexed that i would study i would just sit in absorb the information i had this philosophy what i have to know is going to pop out of me and i'm going oh my prayer is i hope i recognize it well that test revealed to me what i don't know i will study that i don't have to waste my time on the other stuff teacher look to me like ya ya there's there's that approach but that's not the fair approach that's not the correct approach and my response was that's the correct approach because i don't have time to waste on your mechanical rote approaches i was glean the information gather synthesize it so i can utilize it as i do my breathing and i've got to be able to get through the shock of putting out real fast to get to them and don't waste my time don't get me or other stuff or fall or all give me that that i must know who knows so all we do is go to school to get training and we educate our soundly you see but it's still there and only when you have had that previous experience do you know the sound by which you listen to it and it awakens to you then the imagery in your mind and you call it forth and you through i can do that yes i can do that yes i will and it isn't just sitting in the chair then it is getting up and says show me they demonstrate the dance step and you repeat it behind them they say not quite now we're going to do the technique now we're going to professionalize now we're going to synthesize now we're going to perfection nine days and then you can perform for others and i have that whole joy of presentation only when you've got it and who's going to determine that the teacher no way the public when i talk to people i don't talk to one individual to get you to change anything i talk to the soul inside of you that knows it and it hears it and i recognize that in the stands up side a says here it is here to i i say they get the energy down through all the levels i say well the energy i have jr is positive but they don't stinking thinking how do i get through that well i don't know i don't have an answer to that maybe you can bring him into the seminar and see all the beautiful loving people who have gone to hell in their consciousness who have problems today and probably just today and are going to have problems tomorrow when they leave the their attitude is going to be they'll handle that and they're not going to say oh it's going to be easy or no it's not going to be easy they're just going to handle that and when it comes your way good or bad for ill will for good will you treat at the same inside of you because all of that is coming out of the consciousness of god and if you only go the positive way you're in a fanatical field and if you're going to lead the way you may be in a rebellious field but that process of radical understanding produces you in the very center  reality and that moment of a light moment is when reality comes a grabs a hold of you and presents itself to you and you say i see i understand but at that moment you've released the conditioning of your life you've set aside all expectations of what people should or shouldn't be doing what is spiritual what is not what's fair what's not fair and you're just observing life and then that observation clarity appears and in that moment of clarity then you will you move inside of you and you complete the action and then the completing of the action is all look what i've done but it is ok next when that's done it's ok next i know a lot of people are still living but then of two years ago when the first marriage my first car and i first romance and their first this their first virtual experience fifteen years ago and i say what have you had recently what have you done today so i was so happy last week why aren't you happy today people say john roger i come into the movement i come into a seminar and some thing moves inside of me and trying to find out what that is because it produces but nicest thing i can describe it to you it's not bliss it's not joy it's a call i have a calmness that appears i just feel peacefully co and that's fine but then about three or four days later i go through a crisis can you tell me what that is and i see sure that's easy when you came here you entered into the conducting of divine energy and when you left here you fell back into the negativity of your own mind and emotions and it be in the head and that's your crises it doesn't want you either there's no place here you can be able lay your head and say peace contentment quietness this is it there will be times it'll be temporary that you'll feel very good but have you noticed when you're really feeling good and things are really fine you don't do your spiritual exercise have you noticed that my friends i have things start going a little me and this like i don't know what's going on i think i'm getting pains like you sit down a chair for jr and you start the spiritual exercises and that awaken something you say i don't know why i don't do that because every time i do things really clear well look dummy if ill clear it'll prevent it ameliorate modify it but as soon as you finish that you enter back into your own strategic delusions how loose the nations of manipulating this world and it lets you believe you're doing it and you get temporary feelings of euphoria euphoria is what we're dealing with that's an out of balance condition it's practical i've got to get my degree why it's practical it's going to open the door for me to allow myself to do other things i've got to learn how to do this so i can participate so i can have the joy of participating with my physical body here on this planet and while i'm doing that my motions of feel good and if i can just get that far out of my mind i'm going to fail before i even start but a lot of these people play and they're so nervous before they first at that ball over the net and was returned they just are up at it and they'll charge it to kill what ran with the net and so the tennis racket down thinking a tennis racket is no good wrong it was the tennis shoes wrong again it was the ball somebody said to me you know how to dance i suggest they said i says keep the ball on their side  said a very simple no it is very hard but that's how you play tennis it's always over there always over there but see some people don't really think that that the game is in the racket and that that's just a means a method mechanistic approach of how you're going to keep that wall over there in fact in truth of you jumped up in the air they hit that ball and hit your hand it went on their side the net and they didn't get it back you get the point it doesn't have to hit the racket it's just desirable it's part of the if you're golfing and you hit that ball in the air and they had to train goes the hole on one stroke is that still one stroke yeah but see most people say well that doesn't count as to go from here over there and plop right a hole so not may hit roll ten feet plop in the hole idea is in the hole that's golf right in the hole and those approaches towards it should be those approaches of learning of unfoldment of watching of participating of enjoyment of that you people that are acting they give you a script from before you get it you've almost ripped apart to nervous tension is not for you oh well then take an easy just you should approach at the same way whether it be for you are it's not for you you wipe your hands  then when you read it the whole thing as you read and you start participating in that now or i can't get it i'm not getting it i won't get it that's right you won't and when you go to try out for that to see you read real well but you didn't you sometimes wonder how you did it it's like i i really read really bad but they said i got the part and then you go they say they didn't give me that part they gave you know the part that was as bad as what i read for yeah strange it works that way if you're going to get married and have success on the planet you have to all those things that produce marriage and success on the planet it does not come that marriage is the end result it is that moving constantly in this state courtship of closeness of togetherness is that process of communicating to i was watching some tennis the other day he taught himself in the moment his error the correction corrected that didn't kill himself didn't berate him self didn't feel guilty didn't have time for it because the other guy crammed it down his throat he had to come awake immediately to live and respond to the moment that guy as far as i'm concerned was playing over his head he was just really playing it was really nice to watch that why not play over your head your head doesn't know what's going on but you inside you do know what's going on you have got to trust that but for a while you listen to the inner voice little chatter to you the other now voice in their die would pay attention that either that's a parrot fool you fool you fool i'm going to watch and you go there and i say this horse is going to when i fill up my bond you slap down ten dollars right with them they lose now there's two fools you don't go by the feeling in people's bones that's not a practical way to live in spending your money what is the practical way you look at it in terms of if i spend this how will that increase my spirituality and it goes right back in your pocket and say well but what if i win ten thousand dollars what if is a troublemaker you can just as easily ask what if i don't and so you treat the both neutrally and you don't that life is has not chance then it just rained down freeway any more it's getting it's going to be a chance just drink the water and you say but g r is not practical to live the best i can absolutely and that's what we talk about it's practical practical means it's for you entered into negativity and that that is going to produce a self will be the fruit of your work and by the fruits you know and i'm not kidding  to go back to mind chattering how do we stop the mind chattering what you're breathing control the breathing the yoga process mess base in between breaths the mind will start slowing down w it's not designed to stop perpetual motion but in between those gaps of chatter you'll hear the silence that speaks that roars your name in awakens you spiritually but you've got to get more get in there longer and longer inter then it starts coming through and it won't come through the way it comes through necessarily anyone else it comes through the way it comes through and why do we say thank you lord as a way to mean i want to writing on the good experience but i don't know who else is going to be able communicate in it it's practical to learn that and be involved in that that will be effective in his communication to other people it's practical  man aster master deceiver called the doubt and let me tell you something from and i'm going to use this in terms of mankind it takes a man to walk the spiritual path and see the face of god and the weak won't make it and i don't care how clever you are pushing a pencil around and adding up figures and how many words you know what a vocabulary test if you're a coward you're not going to make it and that  the point of view you take and the point of view you stand upon to enter into the life process and if you enter into it negatively that's yours and if you enter into it and that consciousness of oneness you will conduct divine energy all around you and the environment purifies  if you go into a place that's really bad as a purifies going to smack in the head on its way out because it won't respect you either so what we say take it easy don't go to people cram the lie down their throat they can't take it they're negatively is going to be too they'll yell at you they'll be angry at you what are they really saying what do they really say what do you say when somebody when you say listen here why don't you do what i tell you to do when you tell him to give me your undivided attention on this project we're working on so we get it done other way would you mind but they're not paying attention so you place the energy in a level that draws their attention unconditionally undivided to that one point then they do something about it and that's what you want in the very beginning let's do something about this but that thing of us that we call thick is precisely that and you can't expect understanding out of it you expect thick headed out of it who i am is right appeared in the temples this part of pier get so caught up with who i am that they go back you're blocked us by presenting energies that block the thinking and then we start thinking erroneous lee and we start forcing to our dominance excuse me dominan move everybody into our way of doing it doesn't work that way many people work at it for a while and they seem to have a lot of success but it collapse  responsible for who else had a chance to help you is there any hope that's about all there is and what is the hope well possibly the hope is that you'll change your position but it's highly unlikely you're going to and that leaves pain that will force you to from that i received letter from a young lady or john rogers i'm sick of this wrong and i'm fat and i'm doing this now have a boyfriend and i want to have four hundred letters like that from are so now if you go program universal mind you've done a good job why why not talk about that more of success when you didn't eat that extra stuff hey i denied that and i moved to another position how about talking about today there was no headaches don't tell me about your back aches i know talk about the unique hey i'm on this new way of eating i'm going to be feeling better all along it's going to work for me i'm going through a cleansing of my system to get rid of this it's going to be better for me still i sure hope this cleansing worked because i'm so miserable and i'm so toxic and things are so bad and my boss won't give me a raise i think what on earth are you doing smart one why not i'm going to get myself cleaned up present myself in that spirit they will be able to deny me those things that are necessary for me and i'm going to keep on with that until i get that and i'm not going to hurt anybody i'm going to take care  myself so i can take care of others see how that fits in i want to participate in health wealth and happiness inwardly and outwardly but first i must participate in working first inwardly we go to people to understanding it's not that we don't have the dilemma that we don't have the confusion is that we don't get caught up in it and warships and bow down and keep on repeating it over and over is a sacred mantra i'm confused i'm depressed miserable i'm sick you immediately return to that concept of satsang that concept of relationship of the spirit enter into consciousness of the traveler enter into that and it will remove that process that disturbs you because you  understand the divine conduct and that that will conduct the energies down you understand that it takes place it is taking place right now even when you miserable you just don't get much it just gives you enough to be miserable to create more negativity but like attracts like and when you're like god you attract god the clich misery loves company no clich true true to walk in the path of god you must walk like god to enter into living love you must enter in like living love you can enter in crying and gnashing teeth and killing people and think you're going to get into it that's another path it goes another direction want understanding you enter into the path of understanding you don't enter into the path of saying you don't understand get out of my way which you say what is it i can do for you to a beautiful ashram last night we were talking about working with mental patients and she said to me you know i'm afraid to ask what you want because i'm for the going to tell me but you don't push your other way or ignore them because you're afraid to ask them what do you want you're not obligated because you say hello to somebody to do any more than say hello that is when somebody says hello how are you don't you might say wonder what they mean by that that's not a prophecy that they don't care how while they're recognizing you so you can just wave back and they're satisfied else to really show them wrong approach that's just you coming back you because god to this consciousness is doing it all and when we forget that god designed the dance and god dances to you then you get miserable misery i understand i see it with a lot of you but you insist upon keeping it so what can i possibly do except say how's your misery today very well thank you how's your is not as good as your i don't mean i mean how you are cold as well as anybody else's what difference does it make it's not me anyway just my nose my throat what are you doing about resting them i'm letting them clean themselves out i'm not going to stand in their way i don't want to give it to you why because i am taking care of me and i'm taking care of you and i want to dump it on you but i'm going to anyway  o don't dump it on me who can i dump it on dump it on yourself you're the one that created compost grow new out grow new everything that comes your way truly everything is just another rung of the ladder of opening you and i somebody steps on your fingers as reach up for another rung don't swear at them but watch re put your hand every time and if you like to have your finger slam you do that once was enough for me once however i did a couple more times because other people need that experience of slamming the door on my fingers while my to deny them their divine expression after that thing just comes out and tells the truth so disarms people that the enter into the truth with you enter into it with you and then you start conducting divine energy connectivity is what keeps you going and want you to participate in life to participate in god all with god and all the lives but is that practical no but it is practical to participate in your own life how do you do that breathing and breathe breathe in breathe out that all it's a good start anything else yes there's a lot of things depending upon where you're going to you're going where and when you want to get there then we enter into a new ballgame of one form and but first we must is going to come out the same you can determine it very easily we can enter into that that is the destruction of the ego we can enter into that that is the destroying of the desires we can enter into that that is a sacrifice of the self and when you through doing those three approaches that's what you've got those three approaches because you are not living the love that you are which is the divine and i don't care what path you go on or what path to study or what kind of manipulations they've got going what kind of techniques or spiritual exercises or anything else if you're not loving as you do you do nothing people come up to me  roger really growing i said you are and i said yes i was sitting looking at all these things around the people and i saw these lights and these colors these forms and it was really great i says that all they said yes i said didn't you love them oh  i forgot i said then there is no value in your idiocy of looking or has lights colors or anything else and if you're loving them you don't care if you see anything else for love will see itself or do itself and knowledge you do is sit there and let it radiate through you and you can sit there not smiling but sit there and it will radiate through you that's how you recognize spiritual one they will just let it read through them and that's the process of living love that's the total path not the path of destroy the ego destroy desires destroy the mind become a fanatic is that total path because that you get you all of those new rip off all the layers underneath as a loving layer that is that very essence is the conducting of the divine are you doing that you are sitting right in the center of creation whether you see it or not has nothing at all to do about it you are the very foundation the focal heard just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can an email to a service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or write to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one one three five this has been that which is with john rogers thanks for joining us i had to remind people though this was time to extend the life in the peace to the animals we're more like the wire between telephone poles we're just opening up the communication and then the voice that goes through really has nothing to do with us and much the same way we open our hearts and our consciousness to animals and the spirit of peace that goes through two of them does the work the piece  is being in that position to just help moderate through and that's what we're here for the if we can look at animals and trees in the land and say this also i am then we start to establish the harmony in the peace in the balance is necessary because the earth of this country is really crying out not just in this particular state of africa but even through the peoples there is not crying out for more cars or more televisions but this crying out for a harmonious forwardness that's asking for an message of peace will actually let the lion and the ox sleep together not in fear of being devoured it's biblical scripture that says that time when that day in that place when the prince of peace is to appear then even babies can play around the holes of a poisonous snake and will be bit in animals are killed each other will sleep together and even the lions will graze grass