jackson park as louis kennedy speaker and let's try this again madam speaker i move the journal of monday april st two thousand and nineteen be approved as corrected by the chief clerk you have heard the motion all those in favor say say no representative larsen you don't have it many friends in the gallery you're going to have to work on that i'll let the motion go this time the motion passes announcements and introductions assistant or minority leader neville thank you madam speaker members please welcome my neighbor but also my town councilman george teal who's joined us on the floor today for colorado parks and wildlife's applications not only for the residents of the colorado but people all over all over the world to come and apply and for hunting and fishing here in the great state of colorado some of the values that we have installed in here in the state for our communities for to increase tourism but also i want to let you know fill out those applications by eight zero p m tonight today's the last of the deadline representative wilson thank you madam speaker colleagues if i could have your attention for a moment please represent valdez pointed out that today was the last dates you could apply i just want to point out this is actually the all organic non gmo free range opportunity in the state of colorado and a shout out to any of you that may be vegans if you're unsuccessful hunting that's your only option  representative jackson thank you madam speaker may i get the capitol choir in the well okay i don't where is she it's terry carver in the room oh she sure is  representative liston thank you madam speaker members the good news is i'm not giving any economic news today though there's lots of good economic news but i do have a good announcement that y'all want to pay attention to this last year i know most of you all missed it on thursday april the th that's this thursday the colorado society of eye physicians and surgeons are having their reception at the university club just a couple blocks north of the capitol i strongly encourage you all to go to this reception as a person who had significant eye surgery i can attest sincerely to the quality of eye care that these true professional doctors give to us last year i went and they set up a couple of stations where they gave i exam not just eye exams they brought in equipment that  is worth tens of thousands of dollars and they made some eye exams on those people wanted to these are great wonderful surgeons and eye specialists i strongly encourage you to go up to the you club this thursday from five thirty to seven thirty and meet these people you will be glad you did so that's this thursday from five thirty to seven thirty up at the you club see me for details thank you representative long team thank you madam speaker members of the health and insurance committee we're meeting today upon adjournment and we are hearing senate bill fifty two look forward to seeing y'all ere there thanks representative their representative thank you madam speaker ok education committee we have four bills going today we have twelve forty one senate bills zero three twelve fifty two and one hundred and eighty three we look forward to seeing you there thank you representative do you have a tribute can you wait just a sec representative craft art representative kennedy thank you madam speaker state affairs will be meeting this colorado in the s miss steele opened her heart and home to teenage and unwed mothers and continued that mission by championing the genesis project of northern colorado a faith based nonprofit organization in the greeley evans area whose mission it is to serve single mothers and their children by providing career and life skills training and meeting spiritual educational and housing needs the colorado general assembly is honored to recognize the life and work of kathleen teal and extends its gratitude to the teal family servants she may have never heard of because she did so much of her work for an audience of one she opened her heart and home to so many families in need and today we have with us a teal family who carries on that legacy of commitment to those in need and i'd like to introduce george teal who is kathy teal sun laurel teal her granddaughter and george teal her grandson thank you so much for allowing us to honor her today thank you for joining us teal family representative buck thank you madam speaker and i have to be honest with you when i think of kathy teal i see the lord's face i can't tell you what a lovely lovely person a loving person and just had that face of god and so it is such a loss but i know she is dancing with jesus right now she is having the time of her life it leaves a hole in our hearts that she's no longer here on earth the earthly form but i just want to thank the teal family for being a part of taking care of her and bringing her to our lives the buc and thank you so much for being here today the senate and house of representatives convene in the nd general assembly hereby extend sincere commendations to colorado christian university the members of the colorado general assembly are proud to recognize colorado christian university as they implement their first doctoral level degree program a doctorate of nursing practice in visionary leadership offered through the school of nursing and health professions in the college of adult and graduate studies this new doctoral program will continue ccu's tradition of educating competen compassionate nursing leaders this program will help to combat the ongoing nursing shortage and is also a marker of ccu's long standing commitment to ensuring highly qualified professionals enter the workforce with enhanced leadership and nursing practice skills we commemorate colorado christian university as they expand their educational offerings to the highest level and thank them for their commitment to preparing visionary leaders for the nursing profession and for the state of colorado as a whole on request of representative right in the heart of my district it was founded over a hundred years ago and currently offers more than one hundred undergraduate and graduate degrees it is my honor and privilege to launch this new doctoral program particularly an area that we see such a great shortage and i just want to extend my commendations and my congratulations and thank you all students for being here and to the university on this new expansion into the doctoral degree for nursing so thank you very much april it is also child abuse prevention month so the state of colorado the house of representatives convened in the nd general assembly hereby recognizes the month of april as child abuse prevention month children are key to colorado's future success prosperity and quality of life while children are our most precious resource they are also our most vulnerable we all play a role in strengthening families and there are many ways everyone can get involved to help prevent child abuse just one person has the power to make an extraordinary difference in the lives of both children and families in addition to the hundreds of government and community based nonprofit agencies working together to raise awareness and provide support to help children and families thrive we pay tribute to unsung everyday heroes like megan fine silver mary anne mac tony miner and john ramirez these four coloradans have taken it upon themselves to make a big difference in the lives of children and families perhaps without even realizing it they are implementing those five protective factors that make families strong and prevent child abuse and neglect resilience social connections concrete supports knowledge of parenting and child development  social and emotional competence of children the members of the colorado house of representatives offer them their heartfelt gratitude for the work to help colorado's children on request of representative jonathan singer given this every day as you see at your desk you have pinwheels in front of you that actually talk about the five principles and what they are but what i want to point out to you today is that while it's also child abuse prevention day at the capitol it is also casa day at the capitol i know we have casas in the room here that are sitting members of the general assembly i'm also proud to see as you look to your well as i look to my left or to your right and also up in the gallery show your pinwheels folks just a few individuals here community partners who are here to remind us that every child deserves a great childhood you all work incredibly hard to make colorado families stronger including representatives from colorado county human services and public health department's casas and nonprofits early childhood councils home visitors foster parents and parents so i want to put a special thanks out there to illuminate colorado the the kemp center casa and colorado the rocky mountain children's law center the colorado department's of human services and health care policy and finance and all of our local county human services departments because they're doing this work when  we clock out at midnight they're still on when we clock in at six a m they never left this is what these folks do is they show up and they show up for kids and there are four individuals i'd like to specifically recognize here today and i'm not going to read their tributes to save us a little bit of time this late in the session but i do want to recognize them the first one being megan fine silver as foster parents megan and her husband were overwhelmed by their community's outpouring a support and essential items to help them focus on bonding with the kids rather than running errands seeing firsthand how important this generosity was to their family megan opened up closet cooperative to provide foster parents with clothing for children in their care the goal of the closet cooperative is to alleviate the pressure of buying clothes so that caregivers can concentrate on providing the things that children need most love and support megan could have stopped there but she saw a bigger need and opened the closet cooperative to refugees parents who have reunited with their kids after foster care or anyone who needs a little extra help another foster adoptive mom told us the megan is a rare gem who serves with a full joyous heart without hesitation colorado families are to providing one on one support in regard to issues with breastfeeding marianne also hosts a weekly support group for new moms to get together in create bonds when we mentioned this event in a facebook group made up of moms mary ann mary ann helped we were overwhelmed to hear about how she had an impact on them when we asked moms to tell us about mary ann one new mom said as a mom of two i really really struggled emotionally and physically with breast feeding i met mary ann through my pediatrician on our first well visit and she was amazing an amazing support to me i think about those first few days and few months and i don't know what i would have done without her to help and the connections i made through her weekly support  behalf of the state of colorado thank you mary ann and then we have tony miner tony miner not only leads but is unconditionally dedicated to the circle of parents in recovery group this is a weekly self help support group for parents who want to build social connections with their peers learn parenting skills and tips and continue their journey through recovery from addiction it has been a lifeline for parents in our community tony personally coordinates and oversees specialized parents support groups to help strengthen families on behalf of the state of colorado we are facing the biggest addiction crisis we have seen in over a generation so on behalf of the state of colorado thank you tony and last but not least john ramirez you can play with the pinwheels guys seriously you know it's totally fine this is what they're there for john ramirez has been an active leader in the circle of parents program through illuminate colorado for the past two years he was recently named two thousand and eighteen parent leader of the year based on his outstanding leadership skills and dedication in supporting group activities and guiding group discussions john is considered a role model for other parents who are raising children while in recovery john is a model for other parents who are also struggling with recovery because he was once one himself once again john thank you so much  and members this is the only time i'm gonna lie to you i had one other individual that i wanted to share with you and that is ruth atchinson who was a lawyer and guardian at litem who serves the counties in san louie's in the san luis valley she wasn't able to join us today but i just wan recognize her for her daily responsibilities as an advocate for colorado's kids late nights odd hours the weekends she puts in thank you ruth and thank you to our four unsung heroes who are with us please once again to our four unsung heroes we are grateful for what you're doing to support and strengthen families here in colorado members i'm not going to share any of my own words today other than say thank you for your time on this this has been an ongoing issue for me ever since i started serving as a frontline caseworker in boulder county it's time that we all take stock of what's really important our budget comes up and to think about that moral document that will actually provide the support for these kids to ensure that they can have the childhoods that they deserve thank you members for every child and for awareness for every kid thank you garnett thank you madam speaker i move to proceed out of order for consideration of resolutions seeing no objection we will proceed out of order for consideration of resolutions mister randall please read the title of read at length there you go resolution hr nineteen one thousand and four whereas fifty five years after the passage of the equal pay by the women's foundation of colorado and the institute for women's policy research colorado women earned just eighty six cents on the dollar compared to their male counterparts and whereas based on its two thousand and eighteen research the institute for women's policy research estimates that women in colorado will not receive equal pay until two thousand and fifty seven if progress continues at the same rate as it has since one thousand nine hundred and sixty and whereas the wage gap is not only discernible by sex but also by race and ethnicity and whereas a comparison of the earnings of women of each racial and ethnic group to the earnings of white men shows that white women in colorado earned seventy eight cents for every dollar earned by the average white man followed by asian pacific islander women at seventy cents black women at sixty three cents indigenous women at fifty six cents and latina women at only fifty four cents and whereas based on today's wage gap over the course of a forty year career a white woman would lose four hundred and three thousand four hundred and forty dollars a black woman would lose eight hundred and sixty seven thousand nine hundred and twenty dollars and a latino woman would lose one million fifty six thousand one hundred and twenty dollars and whereas a lifetime of lower pay means women have less income to save for retirement and less counted and less income counted in a social security or pension benefit formula and whereas earnings for both female and male full time workers tend to increase with age though earnings increase more slowly after age forty five and even decrease after age fifty five the gender pay gap also grows with age the differences among older workers are often considerably larger than differences among younger workers and whereas in two thousand and sixteen among full time workers aged twenty to twenty four women were paid ninety six percent of what when men were paid on a weekly basis but his workers grow older and progress and progress in their careers median earnings for women grow more slowly than median earnings for men from ages twenty five to fifty four women are typically paid seventy eight to eighty nine percent of what men are paid depending on age and by the time workers reach ages fifty five to sixty four women are paid only seventy four percent of what men are paid and whereas there exists a strong business and public interest case for equal pay for equal work and whereas equal pay would cut the colorado poverty rate in half from five point six percent to two point eight percent and whereas equal pay policies can be implemented simply and without und costs or hardship in both the public and private sectors and whereas closing the pay gap between men and women strengthens the security of families and eases future retirement costs while enhancing the colorado economy by raising gross domestic product by nine point two billion dollars and where as april nd two thousand and nineteen is the date chosen to symbolize the time of year at which the average wages paid to american women begin to catch up to the wages paid to men from the previous year for the same work and whereas we recognize that the problem of pay disparity impacts different communities across the state more significantly asian women's day of equal pay would be march th white women's day of equal pay would be april th black women's equal day  pay would be august nd indigenous women's day of equal pay would be september rd and latina women's day of equal pay would be november th now therefore be it resolved by the house of representatives of the nd general assembly of the state of colorado that we the members of the colorado house of representatives proclaimed tuesday april nd two thousand and nineteen to be equal pay day in the state of colorado and be urged government agencies nonprofit and labor organizations businesses and individuals to take steps to implement equal pay policies to help close the wage gap but for colorado's women and minorities speaker it is an honor to serve with you and thank you mister randall for reading that sixty two percent of single mothers in our state lack adequate requite income to take care of the basic needs for their families including housing food childcare and health care and this is up from fifty four percent in the year two thousand do we want to continue to go backwards in colorado if women in our state were paid the same as men there would be fifty percent fewer women in poverty and nine point two billion dollars would be generated in our economy equal pay will not only be good for families it will be good for business in two thousand and seventeen more than one hundred and fifty zero colorado women and the men in solidarity with them stood of equity in equality for all women everywhere equity has in fairness equivalent treatment in regards to rights and benefits equality in the sense that every one of us deserves the same rights responsibilities and opportunities i was very proud to be part of the women's march in two thousand and seventeen and two thousand and eighteen a movement that served to consolidate and amplify the voices of women who continue to be marginalized in our society equal pay for equal work is a fundamental step and this end is the action that will propel women forward to participate more fully and completely on every level in our society i'd like to take a moment to acknowledge four of my marco organizers who were able to attend this morning i'm proud to have worked and walked alongside all of them to advocate for all women our mothers our sisters and our daughters please welcome jessica rogers julia bra julie bronner carr grady and angela representative froelich thank you very much members for allowing us to present this resolution it is important that we acknowledge the inequity in wages as we reflect on the experiences of our mothers our sisters our spouses and ourselves but i want to urge you today to move beyond your personal experiences with wage inequity and to a place where we do not need to experience injustice in our immediate family in our circle of friends to know that the fight for equality is a fight for justice and a more equitable society we are one colorado and today when we reflect on the statistic that women make cents on the dollar of their male counterparts and that this amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars over a lifetime and that the wage gap is greater for african american women in latinas that we know and acknowledge that this is an injustice that affects the whole economy and that gender equality is a noble goal that will demonstrate our better selves and our better colorado ago in a letter to the editor in the new york times a woman complained that males were receiving one eight hundred dollars a year while women only received half of that nine hundred to do the same grade of work so this isn't a new issue and forty seven seventy one years ago then secretary of labor luis swellin back he tried unsuccessfully to get a new law passed to require equal pay for he said there is no difference in the food she buys or the rent she pays so there should be none in her pay envelope but it wasn't until one thousand nine hundred and sixty three fifty six years ago when we passed the equal pay act that people would think that would shine a light and everything would would be okay and equal pay would be realized but sadly that injustice has not been addressed nor resolved and still today as the sponsor said white women only receive eighty percent of what men earned for doing the same work african american women only earned sixty three percent of what men earned for doing the same work and sadly latina women like myself only earn fifty four percent of every dollar a man earns for doing the same work this is a sad statement about the persistence of discrimination harassment racism and an abuse of power in our workplaces this problem persists and it persists at all levels and right here in colorado only less than two years ago right here in denver a female hearing officer one of four hundred and sixty thousand dollars settlement because she was paid less than the males she oversaw she was the supervisor three years ago a female professor sued the university that she worked for for more than thirty seven years because she was paid less than every male professor that case was also settled in her favor when we have so many families headed by a female and so many families still living in poverty paying women the same as men are paid for the same work would raise up our families overall it would raise their standard of living and more importantly it's the right thing to do so i urge you to join me and join the sponsors in supporting this resolution thank you thank you members so we still have to pass the resolution is there any further discussion seeing none the motion before us is the adoption of hr one thousand and four is there any objection to taking a voice okay does anyone want to move that the current will open up the machine for co sponsors because we want to get ahead of the budget on that because that's tradition and then just one other simple bill one thousand two hundred and twenty two so with that madam speaker i move that the following bills be made a special objection this bills will be made special orders at nine forty eight a m according to the majority leader representative car seeing no objection representative carabeo will take the chair the committee will come to order with your unanimous consent the bills will be read by title unless there is a request for reading a bill at length committee amendments will not be read unless requested as they are printed your folders in your bill folders for amendments will be shown on the screen and on your ipads and not read and less requested those will be laid over upon motion of the majority leader and the quote rule is relaxed the amendment is properly before us please proceed thank you madam chair basically what amendment l zero seven does is it strikes section two of the bill the committee had a number of questions about well not all of section two but strikes the portion dealing with where the mental health peace officer support grant program is going to what what it's going to do and so what we did is we saw another bill that so you're gonna hear about a little bit later today that's actually going to expand that program and provide some improvements so to prevent any sort of confusion we've asked to strike that language from this bill that committee report and i ask for an aye  of the changes of this i i guess i'm concerned about maybe some of the provisions that this might be taking out and so multi maybe the sponsor could just kind of reiterate some of those changes and read detail them out because this is gonna change  this policy quite a bit representative singer thank you madam chair and i'd have to go through that section section by section line by line if people are interested so i appreciate the interest in this so starting on page six what we're going what we're going to be doing is we are going to be striking out lines fourteen through twenty seven so that begins at section two dealing with a piece officers mental health support grant program and it removes the language talking about what that mental health support grant program what the changes within that program would do and then on page seven of the bill it strikes that essentially essentially that entire page and so once again talks about the details about who's going to implement and develop the agency's policy for supporting a peace officer it's also going to strike on page eight lines one through five which is dealing with the with the details of who is actually going to be able to receive those resources that being said probably the bigger question that that's begged by a number of people is what is actually left in the bill then and so since we've taken out section two what we're talking about here is that we want to make sure that protocols are out there to ensure that when physical when deadly force is used that officers are ready to return to work and we don't return them to work before they're ready to return to work and so we work with law enforcement agencies to ensure that this is something that we wanted and then i made the mistake of telling the judiciary committee that this passed unanimously out of the senate and so that got everyone's attention and in all good faith here we said ok we'll work with with your concerns we have another bill coming through the process house bill one thousand two hundred and forty for we're going to instead of create two conflicting bills make sure that we have good policies but not draw from a resource of funds that is a limited resource of funds so that's essentially what the amendment does that's what the committee report does and i've even describe a little bit about what the bill does there but i'm happy to answer any other questions representative thank you madam chair and thank you representative singer for that explanation i still have some issues with the policy with regarding shootings or fatal use of force because you know having worked on some of those policies for law enforcement entities a use of force policy is very different than a mental health policy to provide support for officers and by putting in statute directing them to put that piece of it in their use of force policy i think is improper and we there was testimony from one police chief that said we don't use outside agencies to help us write this we do it in collaboration within the department kind of like the way we do bills here we look at best practices that have been done in other states and then we work with those policies we share that information with community and that's how police department's do it so the fact that this still retains a direction to police departments that they have to change their policy to conform this to this statute is inappropriate we should not be telling municipal entities at that lower level what their policy should be they all there was couple testing other testimony that they do have use policy they do have mental health policies and that's good business for them i mean they know it's an issue just like we do that when first responders are involved in these incidents it causes problems for them personally as well so i don't think it's a statement opposing that but it's a statement of opposing directing them as to how they should develop those policies that the problem with this that the part that remains i mean i like the premise overall that we should provide funds for first responders because we've put them in that situation that may cause caused them to have a mental health crisis and that's important and those funds as the law exists now are going to counseling to on scene responders but we should not be directing any of this or even directing agencies on how to write their policies so i would oppose the bill representative bakken felton thank you madam chair it's an honor to serve with you it is an honor to serve with you sir i can i concur with and exactly what she said the larger law enforcement agencies within the front range here already follow these practices and it's just a mandate on medium and small size law enforcement agencies throughout the rest of this state which i believe that it is and i concur these are good best management practices that should be incorporated but they shouldn't be mandated it's a local control issue representative singer thank you madam chair i won't i won't belabor the point other than to respond to folks members this bill started out in a very different place than where it's ended up today this has been the work product of a lot of compromise we worked with the police chiefs we work with the sheriffs organizations we work with the fraternal order of police and you know what this is a statewide matter of concern this is why we're working on this because the person who is the victim of an officer involved shooting the officer themselves may not even live in the individual jurisdiction where they are we want to set the template but we want to bring them to the table as well the bill itself requires that on the national sarah sheriffs association the international association of chiefs of police the fraternal order of police all work together on this to create policies that are right sized for every department and while some departments are doing this today most departments are doing this today this is needs to be a continued work in progress no police officer signs up to do their job to hurt somebody else their job and their calling is to protect and to serve but when duty calls and fatal force is involved we need to make sure that those officers are taken care of in a way that they can get back to work and make sure that they can continue to protect and serve and not potentially pose a danger to themselves or to their others or to their own career which we want them to be able to return to this is about mental health and mental health knows no local control these are best policies not mandated but actually worked out at the local level and agreed to by those local agencies and so with that i ask for your  is there any further discussion on the amendment seeing them the question before is this adoption of l seven to the judiciary committee report all those in favor say aye opposed no that i ask you for your aye vote on the committee report any further discussion representative thank you madam chair and again members to the bill i think this does direct local government small police departments to do something that they may not have the capacity to do and we should not be in the business of directing at that level policies and and it's one thing to say you need to do a policy on use of force or you need to do a policy on mental health but this bill goes much farther into directing what needs to there and how they need to address it and i think that's improper enough a little bit of an overreach for us to be imposing that on local police departments so i would urge  situations like this i understand the bill i think it's good i mean i understand about the small agencies but they can piggy tail on the back of some of these other larger agencies with these policies it's it's critical that officers involved in these type incidents get especially like the agency peer people behind them they need someone there on scene and it's critical to the officer  understand it might be a burden on some of the smaller agencies but somehow listen he's done to protect the officer themselves and i'm speaking for the officers that involved in these critical incidents it's not about not about the policy of their agency so i support this thank you any further discussion on the judiciary committee report seeing none the question before us is the adoption of the judiciary committee report all those  seeing none the question before is this passage of senate bill ninety one all those in favor say aye all those opposed no senate bill ninety one passes the amendment is properly before us please proceed thank you madam chair colleagues in order to understand the amendment i just want to make a few key points about this bill which you may have had several conversations on i suspect the remote notarization is a technology that allows an individual to do a notarized signature not in the presence of a notary public so the the notarized signature the process of  determining the identity of the individual the identity of the witness the nature of the document that's being notarized all of that under remote notarization is done by a videotape that is done over the internet and with this new technology there has been discussion across the country how do we ensure that there is not abuse particularly of vulnerable populations like our senior citizens and others how do we ensure integrity of that the individual is who they say they are that the document is what is represented and so that is the sweep of this bill going to the amendment thirteen first utilizes the some definitions for a remote notarization system and remotely located individual which are widely used across the country and so we wanted to make sure that the basic infrastructure of remote notary identifying the components identifying the safeguards how we define the technology but doing those definitions with an understanding that we're talking about a broad definition of the technology so that as the technology evolves the bull still sets out those basic principles part of l thirteen deals with those definitions another significant issue under this bill is to ensure that our colorado notaries have the full authority to do whatever they normally would do with this information so right now when they notarize they enter the material the information in their journal there may be circumstances where they need to share that information the notarized document obviously has to be processed in a certain way and one reason why this bill is so important is right now our colorado notaries cannot do remote notarization they need this bill in order to participate in this remote notarization process the language in line sixteen and seventeen and eighteen and nineteen is where we are making absolutely sure in discussion with colorado notaries that they are fully able to use the information and the remote notary system to notarial act to provide the information wherever it might be required by local government state or federal law and that you'll see that were the language and the current bill that talks about affecting the transaction we're making that clarifying that to ensure that you can process and do whatever you need to do with a notarized document that's really the language changes in sixteen to nineteen but but the whole gist of this amendment is to make absolutely sure which is why colorado generated as part of this remote notarization in all the different ways they need to under local state and federal law and that there also is no restriction no impediment no barrier to however that notarized document needs to be processed so that in summary is amendment thirteen and we would ask for your support representative dran i would ask for a yes vote on this amendment this amendment is supported by our secretary of state so i asked for a yes vote representative melt thank you madam chair and this is an interesting discussion and an interesting amendment that's before us especially the part that says that colorado notaries are in support of this amendment because colorado notaries are not any technology that uses any notary like microsoft windows a keyboard a mouse every internet service provider and etc the sponsors proposed amendment refers to another definition that is just as broad  o let's actually lay out the definition of what we're talking about and define it in a manner that encompasses the technology we are talking about we are this amendment will will it men remote systems to mean a person who provides audio visual communication technology assigning services or record storage services pursuant to that of an employment or other agreement with a notary republic and for the purposes of facilitating the performance of no turrell acts under this part five members this is what the national notary association has asked for and i would ask for an aye vote representative duran thank you madam chair l actually just narrows the definition of the system to the person not the process which the remote notarization is taking place and to say again our secretary of state does not support this amendment represent have various opinions and that was the group cited in the previous discussion that is not colorado notaries so colorado notaries do support our bill do support l three and the other thing that i would just point out is this bill l seven is making a very significant change members our amendment technology where we're defining it in a broad way again giving secretary of state the authority to do regulations as the technology involves our definition in the underlying not on systems again this is a bad amendment it does not fit with the bill the secretary of state opposes melton thank you madam chair and again i don't know who the colorado notaries are because there has not been a single notary that's come to a committee hearing in support of this bill so i don't know who they are i've heard from numerous notaries and  in the national notary association and they say that the problem with the definition as proposed by the sponsors in the original bill and in the underlying amendment it is too broad it literally could capture the os that the computer is using it could literally capture the browser that the the person is using it could literally capture the the manufacturer of the camera that the notary is using it is that broad so members this will narrow it down to the actual person or organization that is doing the act with that members again i don't know who the colorado notary association is i'm going off of what i've heard from actual notaries and ask for a all those opposed no the amendment is lost law in the entire country or let me let me explain first i'm sorry there's no knodel law in the country that has a script in it i've never even heard of his putting a script into statue scripts this is such a departure from the uniform law commission's bill that i don't even know where to begin this will cause notaries to commit technical errors which could invalidate natori sometimes months or years later and threaten the very critical transactions which notarization is supposed to support the bill also adds language that the individual would have to explicitly consent to the recording and state all recordings would include so members this really just kind of removes out those scripts so that way again we can be more on par with the way these types of laws are written across the country with that members i l six for two reasons first it gets rid of the very important statements identifying statements by the individual who's doing the  documents statements by the witnesses statements about the nature of the transaction and these statements being captured on the videotape are essential to provide integrity to the process that is what this language does it is core to the integrity of the process and this language has been fully  d the other quite significant aspect of this amendment is that it is going to impact keeping l would not only eliminate the storage notice it eliminates the consent to the recording and the storage it eliminates also the the explanation of what is done by the notary and if i can say again secretary of all those in favor please say aye all those opposed no the amendment is lost one three like i said there were some changes made into the bill but it's not going nearly far enough a lot of the scripts and a lot of the provisions of what has to be said are still remain in the bill still remain in this amendment and the definition again is still very broad again it still would capture far more than just the person doing the act it would capture honestly all the way up to the chairman members i rise in the support of amendment l zero one three the sponsors of this bill have worked long and hard to they just didn't come up with with an amendment on the fly with all due respect with my good colleague they worked long and hard with a lot of groups let me tell you who is also supporting this bill one thousand one hundred and sixty seven along with the amendment as the land title association of three two the finance committee report all those in favor please say aye all those opposed no the amendment passes to the finance committee report representative carper thank you madam chair we move the finance committee report and ask for a yes vote is there any further discussion on the finance committee report seeing none the question before us is adoption of the finance committee report all tho representative carver thank you madam chair i move the committee report from state affairs and asked for a yes vote is there any discussion on the state veterans and military affairs report however you know that the approach that this bill is taking is really you know you don't have a privacy issue if you just don't collect it out so that's not really a solution so with this members i believe it's everyone's priority in this chamber to make sure that the data privacy is protected this puts us more in line with the uniform law commission when they decided that it was inappropriate to place the earth took place was an inappropriate place to put  narrow the protection the data privacy protection in section six and members the language in section six is what prohibits those involved in remote notarization prohibits them from using that personal information that now has been videotaped prohibits them from harvesting that personal information in that videotape from selling it offering to sell it use or transfer for use any personal information collected in the course of performing does is it takes out first part a big chunk of what is in what is covered by the prohibition in section six it takes out the language if you're looking in your bill it takes out or other provider of audio visual communication technology identity identity proofing technology or storage of audio visual members these are all aspects of the system whether you are doing identity proofing that is a critical part are the people are who they say they are there is a section in the bill that talks about identity proof and secretary of state rights regulations to ensure that integrity this takes out the language on storage so that the prohibition doesn't apply to storage of this information all these different components have the capability to hold this all this personal information in the video tape if you if you delete them out of the language that the prohibition applies to that means the data held by those systems are not subject to the prohibition on sale transfer and use of personal information it's just that simple  narrowing with this amendment and creating a huge loophole you are narrowing the significantly the scope of the data protection provisions and creating a loophole for those to exploit this data outside this bill ask for a no vote representative duran thank you madam chair yes this amendment simply weakens our bill and our consumer protection and protecting our consumer data once again secretary of state does not support this amendment i ask for a no vote there any other if this guy representative melton thank you madam chair again the solution to protecting people's you may need to have those records to be backed up and when it comes to this notion there's i'm sorry there's a false premise when it said that we want to keep these companies from selling the data members settle for there are federal regulations that already prohibit that none of these companies are selling the data so this is just you know just you know a red herring in some ways of saying you know we want to protect something that's not happening and that cannot happen under federal law so what this does is it aligns us more with colorado's data privacy laws and it allows for there to still be a backup but to make sure that there are guidelines set up to making sure that that data is specifically idaite addresses id proofing technology that is a critical part of remote notarization storage is a critical part all of these components are addressed in the bill all of those components in this process are in the bill right now subject to the data privacy prohibitions so if you are storing the data storing the videotape you're completely free to do that business what you're not free to do is to turn around and harvest that data for transfer or sale to somebody else that is why this amendment is such a bad amendment this amendment deletes out from section six prohibited acts the following language or other provider of audio visual communication technology identity proofing technology or storage of an audio visual recording created under a specific crs subsection why did we have all that language in section six as part of the prohibited acts because all those components have access to the personal data all of those components are free to do their role in but we do not want them to be able to gather the information and offer it for sale or transfer and yes actually there there are some folks in the country that are doing it  so we ask for a no vote on this amendment is there any further discussion on the amendment seeing none the question before us is the adoption of amendment l zero one zero two the state veterans and military affairs committee report all those in favor please say aye all those opposed no the amendment is lost the amendment is properly before us please proceed thank you so if data privacy is so important to everybody it is so important in this bill then we should have no problem including everyone that may interact with the remote notary during a transaction so this yes we'll go into a the committee will come back to order representative duran thank you madam chair after reviewing this amendment i would like to say that we accept this as a friendly amendment thank you so much for hearing what we're what we're trying to get at what we're trying to say and to work for a compromise so we do accept this amendment i would vote yes on this any further discussion on the amendment seeing none the question before us is adoption any further discussion on the state veterans and military affairs committee report seeing none the question before us is the adoption of the committee report all those in favor please say aye aye all those opposed no the state veterans and military affairs committee report passes to the bill years but a key aspect has always been whether it is the the mortgage bankers the realtors most of the title insurance  attorneys who do elder law and do so many powers of attorney living wills other doctor documents that have notaries notarized signatures  the concern has been when we see the practices in other states where they are videotaping the entire transaction not just and then with this vast amount of personal data that is captured on the videotape we have seen in some of the company's terms and conditions generally a fairly long statement that in fact you are consenting to the collection and use of many pieces of personal data and even if they are not selling the data directly those terms and conditions authorize the transfer of that information to affiliates and then we're seeing the affiliates engaged in that activity so again there are companies have have different practices we're talking various companies we have also been notified by notarization companies that they have looked at our bill they are fine with doing business in colorado under our bill and as we stated  previously colorado notaries right now need authorization in order to take part in remote notarization activity which is why it's important that we get this bill passed another provision or aspect that has been brought up is that current federal law under gramm leach bliley takes care of this problem well respectfully gramm leach bliley only applies to financial institutions in certain circumstances and regulation p of  we recognize that the states may pass stricter data privacy laws so the federal data privacy laws were never regarded as a ceiling they are a floor now we can't contemplate all the different ways a remote notarization system now we're in the future may set up their terms  conditions this bill and and members i mean this with all sincerity this bill is not focused on any particular practice what it is is all of these stakeholders who have worked this issue since two thousand and seventeen saying what are the basic principles that should apply that that's all you need to do and second just the statement in section six that says if you are doing any of these actions which are part of the entire remote notarization process but you cannot sell offer for resale transfer or use the personal information for other than the intended purposes and then the bill talks about what those intended purposes are and you know i was most struck by the testimony of the colorado association of realtors they said what carver do you realize that we have a code of conduct in the realtors association where we pledged to our clients that we will keep their personal information confidential and that we're only going to use this personal information to complete the transaction and to apply comply with  and yet the way we see remote notarization occurring in different parts of the country if we have remote notarization like that in colorado we cannot comply with our code of conduct in the colorado association of you know who wrote this bill or the date of privacy pieces of it the stakeholders the colorado bar association the realtors the mortgage bankers the title insurance companies who have been working on remote notarization for over two years and they have said this is what we need to do appropriate consumer data protection for colorad notarization i respect their work i respect their hard work in coming up with these provisions which again apply broadly whether it is colorado notaries doing it whether it is companies out of state doing it now we're in the future it is establishing those principles regardless of what the terms and conditions are that you click and automatically accept and sometimes those provisions can be fairly complex and long and sometimes they're not again it's not  have heard from across the board say they are fine with us we have also heard from remote notarization companies across the country that are fine with this i would ask for your support but wants to have a voice in how that process looks and assures our consumers that we will protect their personal information from being shared or sold colorado should decide what that looks like because we are not california we are not virginia and we are not texas we will hear today that federal law prohibits the sale of certain information and in a limited sense that's true but it does not protect all your personal information you will hear that house bill one thousand one hundred and sixty seven will prevent other out of state notaries from working in colorado i think we've shown you that that's just a scare tactic tactic and false narrative and sixty seven is supported by the colorado bar association colorado bankers association colorado association of realtors colorado mortgage lenders land title association land title guarantee company and american civil liberties association now shouldn't colorado businesses and their consumers be deciding their laws and not outside special interest many out of state remote notary providers require all your personal limiting the recording to the natori oh act itself to laugh all the way to the bank thank you represented rich the th i want to compliment the sponsors of this bill representative carver and representative duran because this started back in february when they first introduced the bill but they didn't stop working with the stakeholders then they listen to what the concerns were in state affairs and they went back to to the table and then they brought additional amendments when we were in finance and they open with working with the stakeholders to make this a reality in the state of colorado and give this opportunity to colorado notaries i've heard a lot from western colorado the realtors  title companies various individuals in western colorado and they're very excited about this bill and i'm asking for your support of house bill one thousand nine hundred and eleven sixty seven thank you representative list of time on this and i have come to realize just how important this bill is for the for the public health peace and safety and so it's that important so with that safety clause because this bill we've debated it so long and so much that i don't know that the people rule necessarily petition it so i'm thinking that how important it is that we offer the safety clause so this can go into effect immediately and with that i will kindly withdraw the amendment l zero one seven is there any further discussion on the amendment seeing them the question notarization took place and it could tell if you're left certain soda pop or certain types of equipment out what your interests are and then they could sell that information to others because right now when a notary and i'm sure all of you have had your your signature notarized they if they don't know you they ask you for your license or some other there's some other type of identification and they write down like your license number on their journal but they don't always take a picture of it and they don't do anything with it and and that notary journal is really the information that's important because all  notary act does is to show that you're the person you purported to be when you sign something so for remote notarization it has become much broader than that so i think this bill puts the guardrails on there to require consent to do it and to say if you're gonna do this you can't sell the information that you've gotten in this video about me or anything else you've learned from me that's what this bill does and that's why it's so had on this this morning it's been pretty lengthy and i never thought that i would spend so much time on notary that i this year last year or the year before but that gives you an idea of how long we've been dealing with bill this year and when i saw this bill come down i thought all right well maybe we'll get it done but this is such a departure from the ulc bill now let me let me help you understand how farver departure this is and who's at the table driving this this when we talk about the ulc bill we're talking about lawyers legislators and people from the industry both sides coming to the table and figuring out what's the best way to work on the the technology of this new industry that is arising so when the ulc commission matt that was lawyers those legislators it was notaries it was people who get stuff  notarized pretty often and frequently and they came up with the framework for what they would hope that the majority of states would pass so that way also the industry standards could be the same or similar across state lines  bill has undergone a completely different process this is all of those other industries telling one industry how you're going to practice when do we allow other industries to dictate to an one industry how they practice we don't we don't i keep hearing that notaries are in support of this bill show me one show me one i didn't hear any in state  affairs i don't believe any came to finance i know they didn't go to approps i have not heard from one notary that is in support of this bill why because you have land title and realtors and lawyers dictating to them how to do their job that's not how we do things and so for that members this bill is so far from where the rest of the country is going when it comes to universal laws that i can't support it so members i ask for a no vote and i hope that we can continue to have the discussion shape the bill move forward but members again i understand that this story didn't just happen this year this has been years and years and years of discussing it and this is so far off kilter i don't know where to begin we are moving backwards instead of forwards representative dorian thank you madam chair yes our bill is far off all the other ucl that you you see bill the other bills because we have privacy data protection in our bill so we are moving forward vote yes on this bill thank you thank you madam chair and you know the stakeholders that we talked about colorado bar association and many of the other stakeholders that have worked on this for the last two years attended the uniform law commission and they said we think data privacy is a critical issue we identified this issue in stakeholder meetings in two thousand and seventeen in colorado with five  stakeholder meetings with secretary of state that there must be some data privacy provisions and the ulc said we understand we're going to send this out with some of the basic infrastructure and nomenclature but we understand that the states will want to take up data privacy we're actually somewhat pleased that iowa has taken a look at this and we think we may be starting a new trend because as states look at this process and the huge potential to collect massive amounts of personal data as part of this process and then the necessity to have some guardrails on there how often have we thought as we've received a notice or read a newspaper about how our data is being misused where we have thought oh if only we had stronger laws in place that would actually protect our data give us some control over our data that could catch up to the technology that's being used that's what this bill is it is finally matching the technology and the principles of data privacy in one bill which quite frankly members i hope we can make a practice of because we are behind in addressing data privacy in protecting our fellow colorado's but that's what this bill does for  and thankfully we don't have to get that  and forty four to the judiciary report thank you so this report removed the requirement reporting not more than one year after receiving the grant and allows doyle to use their current reporting substitutes november  seeing none the question before us is the adoption of the judiciary committee report all those in favor please say aye aye opposed no the judiciary committee report passes to the bill representative  years ago that addressed the mental health needs of our law enforcement and as this program has evolved what we are seeing with it increased  suicides and and other stresses on our law enforcement is that we need to build on this program and it was really law enforcement that was saying here's where we need to expand this program again to provide the kind of access to law enforcement that they need for mental health support so i'm very pleased  o be part of supporting rep coleman's efforts in this regard any further discussion representative thank you madam chair and members i rise in opposition to this bill it's not that i don't think that it is important to provide mental health services for law enforcement our first responders because like i mentioned before a lot of times their mental health crisis is as a result of the work we're asking them to do and the way that this grant program currently works is that local law enforcement entities can seek funds from these grants for mental health counseling or for on scene mental health responders to help them on scene and i think that's important and last year we put two million dollars into this grants have already been issued for one and a half million what this bill does it expands that the number of organizations that can see these funds and the purposes for these funds so now it goes beyond just direct mental health services it also includes assistance in developing policies training programs and education programs that are all important programs and that's exactly what we have post in the departments for but they are not direct mental health services so i think the expansion of the purposes of the grant and not only that we by expanding the group's we had testimony on the previous bill when we've expanded it to state agencies is that right now state agencies can seek a budget request to receive monies for mental health programs we had an officer from the state patrol testify that they u se the state ceap program which every its the employee assistance program to seek mental health counseling they do that now and they can do that but when we limit the amount or expand the number of agencies that can do that when there are other funds available we limit this source of grants for small law enforcement departments not only that we have extended this to use it for employee unions for police unions and i'm i'm actually surprised that everyone was in agreement on this to expand this to allow employee unions to be able to access these funds i think that's a mistake and i think it's somewhere we normally don't go but you know i mean if we want to start a precedent to allow employee union organizations to be able to access grant funds or other state funds i know a lot of employee unions that in other areas that i would say let's do that you know i'm a strong supporter of employee unions and that's what this bill does and i know people can say fop is not a police union but you know i had twelve years of direct experience with the fop and police unions and trust me they are employee unions and there is way even under the current language that an employee union a police union could partner with a law enforcement entity to seek these funds i think this expansion to other groups is a mistake and i think it starts a slippery slope that we should not be going down so i like the bill if we didn't pass this bill the existing program would stay in place that existing program provides grant funding to small and local law enforcement entities that's where it should go and it provides it for counseling and on scene responses i think it's an important program and we don't pass this bill that program stays intact so i would urge a no vote representative mc of where where these kinds of grant dollars are best put put in place and best used what what we had was we had the fraternal order of police there to discuss a little bit about what they do for their members and and i guess what we probably ought to have is somewhat of a discussion about about what it really means when we say an organization that supports people you may be really shocked and surprised to know that the fraternal order police does not collectively bargain on behalf of their members what they actually do is they provide a tremendous amount of support for them they actually provide a bility for an officer to to get some of the help that they need where maybe their department doesn't have those funds available at the time maybe they didn't want to go through the whole grant process i don't know because sometimes they don't have enough police officers to write the grants and actually go and force the laws so what this does is it really allows some of those organizations that support our police officers to get these grant dollars in the best possible place that they could be hired i vote and mister pogue we should be going home early today representative coleman thank you madam chair so ultimately this bill does provide assistance to agencies and organizations for development implementing policies to support peace officers involved in shootings of failure use of force but in addition to the organization's this also provides funding for training education prevention programs later the mental health services for peer support programs and  chair the importance and we heard this so strongly particularly from the rural areas where the small police departments may not have the capacity to write for grant funding so this allows the police organizations associations to do that and provide these services on a regional basis so as for a yes vote on this bill representative benavidez thank you madam chair and just to clarify if i gave the impression that the fop is a collective bargaining union it is not i agree wholeheartedly with my colleague from loveland fop is an overarching organization th the law enforcement entities like denver's ppa our collective bargaining units and they can seat these funds so the employee associations i was speaking to was not the overarching fop but the groups any further discussion minority leader neville thank you madame chair members this is basically the bill that funds the whole legislative branch it's a good bill but i want to make it a little better so i move l zero any further discussion the amendment is properly displayed mister majority leader madam chair and members this is the legislative departments budget there are a lot of good things in this budget that i'll talk about after we discuss this amendment mister minority leader thank you madam chair members essentially if you ask our nonpartisan staff and everything the main organization that they actually rely on and utilize in their research request and everything is ncsl so the current budget that we have actually does provide funding for ncs so what this does is actually saves us about a hundred and thirty five thousand dollars on a different organization called csg west that isn't actually utilized by our nonpartisan staff so i don't think we need to be funding them through the government so this would eliminate that funding and save us that one hundred and thirty five thousand dollars mister majority leader thank you madam chair and you know the minority leader brings up some really important points for years now csg west has come to this capitol and tried to increase our membership dues for the for the last two years we have argued and we have worked with i try to work with them to decrease those dues so that they better reflect how  how our membership works with csg so last year our jews were one hundred and thirty five thousand after we negotiated with them then they came back this year and they said that they raised them back up to one hundred and eighty zero so we've gone back and forth and back and forth and so i think that the minority leader and i are are standing here asking that we all pay attention to how csg is putting pressure on this building and how few people actually are able to take advantage of the programs from csg in compared to other organizations like  i'm not saying that the programs that csg has aren't of high quality i think for the few members who have been able to take advantage of them they are high quality but the dues have got to reflect how many people in our entire general assembly are able to take advantage of those programs now this sort of sends a message that you know what at some point if we continue to go down this path we just may not be a part of csg now i know there's many members of this general assembly who loves csg and i think they're gonna speak to the importance of this i know one of our members was elected vice president of the organization which is a huge accomplishment and i want to commend her on that accomplishment representative aren't and it's not a reflection of any of our members but i do think that it's important that csg listens to this general assembly when we say hey you are charging us way too much money for what we are getting out of it representative landgraf i'm sorry you members i support this amendment and i have taken advantage of many of their programs and they've been wonderful programs but i do agree that not only should things be in balance but we do have other organizations that we should consider funding and we can do that from what we're going to save here so i would ask for a yes vote on this a wonderful amendment representative craft arp thank you and i would ask for a no vote so i have participated in csg activities and if you haven't then i would encourage you to do so so for example the csg has a week long legislative orientation that many of you may have applied for i went it's probably one of the highest quality events that i've been to that it's bipartisan like really bipartisan and it's about how people can work together and how you can be effective as  legislator i think in terms of when you look at the different conferences this they do have some of the more higher quality policy conferences so i think it would be a real shame if we did not participate and i think it's worth the money but it's only worth the money if each and every one of us attend and so i think that that is on us and that's we all need to make a point to be able to attend their conferences and then the new folks need to attend their freshman orientation in the fall representative michaelson jenna thank you madam chair i also ask for a no vote on this amendment i had the opportunity to take part actually with representative ransom we went to a number of conferences on medicaid together that were truly truly bipartisan conferences in that the people who were presenting to us were both presenting from a  perspective and and we had the opportunity to learn and dialogue and talk together and i think it made us better members of the public health committee other conferences that i went gone to have also been of the absolute highest quality and if you're not taking advantage of them you're missing out on an opportunity to learn in a way that is unique and very very important so i would ask for a no vote please representative melt crafting legislation and legislative ideas for states to then go back and tweak and reenact in their own states the one i did was on hiring and retention for peoples with disabilities and that is a huge issue that many states are struggling to tackle we were able to get together share ideas and really came out of that task force with a lot of great ideas so to cut the funding that we're providing for  our membership i believe would put us at a detriment for being able to use csg as a resource as one to bring ideas and then also share their many great ideas that colorado is doing so i ask for a no vote on this a qualification people have asked me for letters of recommend that that goes away yes you can still attend the conference and you pay but once we don't pay our dues there's only one other state in the csg west's group that doesn't pay dues in that's arizona and not a single legislator that tends the conference or any of the kemper taken any of the leadership stuff the other thing is you know we did a whole judicial juvenile judicial reform project with senator west has a huge footprint the other thing is they have committees that pertain to just the western states i was vice chair of the ag committee for two years representative hansen can talk about his work on the energy committee this is i couldn't academy i was there this last fall it was good for me because of two or three reasons the first two reasons their suits represented long teen the other one is representative buckner we went through class together i found i got to be friends with people that i'd been around for two years i didn't know enough about him i had no idea where they were from what they did you know all those kind of things that was good for me that was good for this house of representatives that was good for the state of colorado the other thing is is i met a number of people a good number of people from all over the western part of the united states finding out what our issues were and how much we did have in common and how much the same issues we're dealing with west wide drought you know you can just make a list of it we all have the same problems state government is something i think the state of colorado water invested on the surface it sounds like it's awful hot but when you start looking at how many people from our organization here in the house of representatives in the general legislature have made themselves available selves of classes in the work that these is done by csg i believe that this might be one of those investments to the state of colorado oughta make it was good for me and i want you to know that but i think it's also good for the state of colorado because we've got connections around this west that we may not have otherwise i'd hate to see us cut off this opportunity  organizations very wisely and i'm here today to ask you to vote no on this amendment i have received a tremendous amount of value from csg over the first three years that i've been here in the legislature i think what makes it so unique and different is the concept of the regionalization that we don't get with other organizations that were a part of csg west's allows western legislators to have a deep dive focus on things that affect our part of the country water energy issues environmental issues et c we've got the boarder group that i know represented mckean has been a part of and the list goes on and on i personally have had a great amount of feedback and new ideas that have come from the energy committee that i'm a part of i'm very pleased to be chairing that as we go into the next this year and next year and it's a wonderful group because we get to look at issues that are specific to this region and that is something we don't have an opportunity to do with some of the other organizations that we belong to as a legislature so i ask you to vote no on this this amendment let's remain in csg take advantage of csg west we've got a lot of new members in the chamber i know it's maybe unfamiliar at this point but you have a lot of opportunities to participate in their events their organizational events and the western leadership academy that i had a chance to participate in two thousand and seventeen was one of the finest leadership academies i think on offer anywhere in the country  the work that we do here in the legislature so please vote no on this amendment majority leader garnett thank you madam chair and you know it's been great to hear from our members on the importance of csg and there's no doubt that csg is important i just think this is a really important conversation for us to be having publicly because when it comes to the western legislative academy only three or four members every year get to go to that academy if you were to break down our membership fees based on those three or four members we're talking like forty five thousand dollars per person so yes of course it better be the best leadership academy in the world for sure if it's gonna cost that much money but i would hope that i would hope that we can send a message that if if we negotiate a contract one year that you don't come back to next year and ask for an increased amount that we had to go and fight about the year before and nothing has changed except the fact that you're you know having us go through this whole process again so with that i would ask for a no vote on this amendment but this is an important conversation for us to have public members i'm sure you'll be shocked to know that i made a mistake i actually do not support this because i did do the legislative academy and i did the henry told fellowship and i have gone to several of their conferences and they are excellent conferences and they are bipartisan and they're not as good as the national foundation of women legislators that you will be hearing about later but they are very good so i would ask for a no vote minority leader level thank you madam chair and again members i think the majority leader actually did a good job we we are talking about two to three maybe four total tops legislators get to go to this you break down those costs you are literally looking at over forty thousand dollars per person for a junket a government funded junket for forty thousand dollars that's way too much and that's even at the lower negotiated rate so i urge a yes vote on this amendment we should be saving the taxpayer of money not spending sending legislators at these really expensive trips when we're not seeing the bang for a buck there's other organizations that actually do provide research madam chair i'm doubling in support of this amendment if you look for the bang bang for the buck but amount of people who actually utilize this it's egregious i mean if if we had a better better bang for the buck i think it would be something that could utilize but you know this is abuse of taxpayers money first thing i'd like to also say thank you tax payer for these big numbers for supporting these big numbers but let's respect the taxpayers money and support this amendment thank you any further discussion on the amendment representative bell does thank you madam chair my question is in that time frame that you're at this conference what do you learn and do to continue to move that knowledge forward and educate others to become individuals with ethics and morals and leadership any further discussion seeing none the question before us is adoption of amendment a division has been requested a division has been requested all those in the chamber not entitled to vote please be seated all those in favor of l please stand and remain standing in one place until the count is taken all those opposed please stand and remain standing in one place until the count is taken build majority leader garnett thank you madam chair and members there are some really important things in this in this budget that we should all just point out one the executive committee so the minority leader and i along with the speaker and the speaker and really deserves a lot of credit for working to make sure that the house budget is going to be equal to the senate budget when it comes to nonpartisan staff and so there's going to be  mister majority leader thank you madam chair great job today i moved to layover in the balance of the special orders calendar till tomorrow april thirty seeing no discussion the remainder of the calendar will be laid over until tomorrow at the request of the majority leader reading the definition for remote notary system in the bill is too broad and the amendment that was added on is still too broad it would actually capture devices and software and things used in the notoriety system it could actually capture the browser that the person is using it could capture the camera that the person is using it is far too broad it needs to be narrowed down to the act and the individuals that are doing the act what that members i would ask for neither any representative carver consultation reflects the definition of remote notarization system that is broadly used and it focuses on the system and the component parts not on persons doing certain things because these are organizations involved in various aspects of remote  also reminds you that secretary of state does not support this amendment any other discussion seeing none the question before us is the melton amendment to the report of the committee of the whole mister randall please up the machine and member their job i mean you talk about micromanagement this this bill is micromanaging at the notary system to a point where we've not seen this anywhere else in the country so with that members this amen ask for an aye vote is there any further discussion representative carver thank you madam speaker with all respect to my colleague we don't specify language that needs to be covered in the videotape as part of the what this bill does is it addresses the important issues that need to be captured in the videotape as far as verifying the identity of the individual who is going to be signing questions to establish who the witness or witnesses are questions to ensure that the document or the transaction is identified in the and again this all comes out of an extensive stakeholder process on what is needed to ensure integrity around a notarial act where the notary amendment the other thing that this amendment does which perhaps is not apparent in reading the amendment is it deletes the language that limits the video recording to vote and also remind you the secretary of state does not support this amendment madam speaker correct that this does remove also the provisions around recording again just because you don't collect the data does not mean that is the best way to protect it there are times where you actually need to have that data in order to back it up or back up something that the consumer is saying that they need to go back and review so again just by not having it doesn't that's not a solution so again i would ask for an aye vote on this representative nev thank you madam speaker i'll take that as a compliment so we heard during debate and i listened very closely to debate because this is a very contentious bill with lots of moving parts we were during the debate probably ten times the secretary of state does not support this amendment does not support that amendment does support this and that in particular this some amendment here i'd like to know why the secretary of state does not support this amendment and not just saying the secretary of state does not support  this representative duran and to represent after and before you speak just know it's third reading you only have two times to talk so this is your last thank you madam chair the secretary of state or speaker has stated that what's most important to them is our consumer protection of their their privacy data that's why they don't want anything that's going to interfere with protecting our consumers privacy their information being sold shared and beyond is there i have a couple announcements representative lewis will replace represented williams in state affairs today only representative landgraf will substitute for representative williams in business today only any  introductions representative gray thank you madam chair house transportation and local government i think i've spoken to most of you but we have one bill up today house bill twelve forty six it includes the chair of the business and labor affairs committee who is also has a meeting at that same time so i want to start as quickly as possible so exactly five minutes after we're done here we'll start that hearing thank you very much representative craft there thank you business affairs and labor committee will be meeting in lsb a to hear for action just teasing just teasing representative saying i love you representative mckean i mean it's okay you come on up you want you thank you thank you madam speaker now my request permission to be gone thursday april the th and you're welcome to be as joyous as you would like to be i'm so sad permission granted representative iskar thank you madam speaker members we know that we're about to walk into a rough week so what better way to get ready then a massage our massage therapist will be here tomorrow april rd from eight thirty two and the capitol at the capitol first floor so put that in your calendars eight thirty to two we will have free chair massage massages on the first floor any other announcements or introductions