you understand that eighty percent of the activities you took and you took part in you can't justify morally and legally and that's the moment you just freeze and you don't know what to do yourself that's the moment that some of us decided to break to break the silence to try to scream about what we took part in it doesn't matter from which part of the say we are from what side of this argument you're on you have to deal with this your son is going to be there your son is going to be used people children women he's going to do that and this moment now he's down in your name now he's doing this now you are doing this and nineteen year old with your messenger is not there for his fun he's not there because he wants to be there he's there because you sent him and society has to know what i did they have to take their responsibility and if three hundred guys like me are coming to the world and saying the best sons and daughters of the israeli society saying we are corrupt we did corrupt things we were part of a corrupt reality this is something that can't be ignored this is something that you can say well exceptional so it's not exceptional this is  the mainstream looks of all these stories as exceptional some some specific soldier who comes from a bad social economical background that freaked out from  reality that he's in the service that it's not exceptional it's are all generation took part in this reality then the same so you immoral and sometimes even go actions how can you talk to me about purity of our force when this is what we do patrol officer officer that is i don't know twenty four years old rules the lives of ten thousand palestinians  a process of growing and growing and growing fanaticism in terms of the justification of violent actions not to care in the least bit about human rights of anyone you don't happen to like especially if they happen to be palestinian so it's all right to kill them when they're young and people that are doing this are us it's nineteen twenty year old kids playing around until the age of eighteen they played around with video games and computer games and now they're doing the real thing but only now there are consequences that are real people that are being abused that are being shot and killed it's not a game anymore people have scars in their minds in their souls in their hearts you can be sensitive to people after for three years you were a monster and your whole justify a teacher so it promoted all the privilege to maintain with violence and i semitism is a disease that has plagued many societies and the answer to that are people of intelligence and goodwill to be fighting it but not to give jews extra privileges that we not see allow them to take anyone else's land but to stop their place in society as with every every minority  it's been so tainted with nationalism there is very little sympathy for the suffering of palestinians which is which is done in the name of israelis security and then in this atmosphere to say well it's not justified right collective punishment even if there is a security benefit i mean i would also say there is no security benefit or real long term security benefit but even if there is a benefit you can't torture people you can't demolish the homes of innocent people it's a very difficult message to get across to the israeli public the fourth geneva convention states that an occupying power cannot destroy personal property since one thousand nine hundred sixty seven as state policy israel has demolished over eighteen thousand palestinian homes beating families homeless and traumatized i would say that that a commitment to human rights should include an awareness of the other is a human occupied territories and the pricing the knighthoods colonialism demands making the native population visible that has worked for comparison with apartheid arouses and tag an ism on the part of israeli society and they are quick to point out all of the differences but it's clear that you have certain policies that i think the apartheid analogy is accurate you have roads in the west bank that are off limits to palestinians i mean are basically jews only roads that have has very clear echoes of apartheid policy i mean apartheid is is a separation based on discrimination rules and it's a shame to say they have blown it really have equal rights in israel's democracy only the jewish majority enjoy for democratic non jewish israelis experience an equal judicial rights and limited freedom of speech assembly and the press palestinians inside gaza and the west bank under occupation have no rights at all  the state tomorrow but it's a prison state it's a bent to stand to use the concept that came out of south africa during the party trying to shove the palestinians into a mini state of five or so where israel controls the movement the economy the water the agriculture the air space jerusalem the borders you know in other words it's really a prison state but they don't get a st so from our point of view one of the issues isn't only sovereignty of the state but it's viability i think in a way the israeli public is very much like that the european population was in south africa in the last of a party when the international pressures were such that finally de klerk came to the european population and said it's over we can sustain a part they didn't more we have to go very very much also inspired by what happened in south africa because after the truth and reconciliation commission there was an ability to get on with it without any new violence or political violence put at that rate and i think that if this miracle of south africa could work that there is a way that suit dialogue we can eventually get to the same way of dealing with the conflict look if it's possible for me to sit in a room with a palestinian you know and both of us have lost children and we understand the need for reconciliation and peace and god said isn't it possible for other people these sixteen voices have chosen that policy working from different directions to forge a road to peace universal human rights and mutual understanding either i could say ok i pack up and go home and forget about israel or you say well no if i'm living here and retain values then i then i believe in that and a commitment to justice can also be applied here we are a human rights organization which is looking only at human rights violations in the west bank including east jerusalem and the gaza strip which is most effective in monitoring our own government and of course our first responsibility is monitoring what israel does and making sure that israel is held to a human rights standard we want our government to obey the law you know i think you jewish existence is is one of fear with a large extent and that can sadly most israeli jews don't have this experience still don't even have a clue about the possibility of being welcome here i was getting that more and more upset and decided i have to really really surprised how well come i felt there and when we decided that it's not enough to be observers though it's really important and it's not enough to tell the people in israel even if they don't want to hear what's going on in the west bank but we can go further and that's what we're doing now with the nation doing the most important thing is happening in the villages not only on the checkpoints where their daily life is appearing the impossible that's when they will basically trash was formed after october two thousand and was the same some idea of trying to to promote or to just to construct this partnership within israel and to work together i started bringing groups of israelis and internationals to the territories and there's like alternative tourists and showing them the situation on the ground and showing them that the settlements the refugee camps the water serve in the army less and less people complete their military service we're not talking about more than forty four percent of the population serving i know the light as we try to put these very society and breaking the silence is to really bring the stories of what happened the reality of what happened in the occupied territories in the last five years of conflict from the people who were there from the soldiers who took part in the situation from the soldiers who were active in this conflict forced the israeli public to be aware of what is being done its own backyard just fifteen minutes from here one of the things that we're trying to do in the peace movement is to keep the conflict political as long as it's political and you can identify the causes and the grievances and the reasons and you can begin to work out a solution once you start making it easy start mystifying it you say this is terror this is their mentality this is the way they are us and them good or evil then you really take the whole the whole conflict out of sense of her all sense of reconsideration and even though we are five hundred families when they cannot of noise from five hundred and because you touch something and somebody is home when they meet you and when they understand that you took this terrible  and you transferred it into looking for reconsider here instead of hatred and violence and revenge since october of two thousand and two we to understand the other side we have a strong people we are the first one to stretch out it's like a kaleidoscope you cannot you turn a kaleidoscope nothing mean theoretically you could have i don't know what federated state or you european union type model or one state you can't have first class citizens and second class citizens or occupied population the most important thing is that everyone of a new world i don't think we had an appreciation of the fact that it was costing and other people a terrible price so the question really is what to do what do we all learn from the across generations finding their way through historic suffering and personal sorrow these voices have chosen to reject indoctrination and fear they recognize the occupation terrible cost to their democracy and society they see clearly that the long term security and viability of israel depend upon real change from within with compassion understanding and empathy they look to internal values and voices to break the silence of denial the voice of healing and transformation