good evening i'd like to welcome you all to council chambers tonight and for coming out to participate in your local government or if you're watching us at home i would ask that if you did have a phone to please put it on silent and if you'll join me in standing for the pledge of allegiance or remain standing for a moment of silen thanks mira paul i just wanted to acknowledge that we have a nominated christopher scott to the position and i didn't know if christopher was here tonight right and the whole family welcome it's nice to see you excited to have you on board and okay so is there a second second motion second approve resolution tw the suspense councillor springsteen there we go passes eleven i zero nay we're getting all dressed up stand to raise your hand to acknowledge that you're in the audience we have jamie cornell marsha osborn for being appointed and then reappointments our bernie barthel heidi barthel rig now we're assuming you're all gonna be elected in so we're voted in and we also did receive a letter from misess osborne who wished that she could join us tonight she's excited to serve but she had a something else that was scheduled prior so we it passes eleven is zero nays we'd like to thank you all very much for one year service if you're being reappointed and to our new folks who are taking the time to get involved with their local government it really means a lot to us you do a lot of  every issue he addresses and the collaborative way he compiles legislation i'd like to nominate  i would second that motion okay we have a motion in a second and just as a housekeeping item for the folks so nominations come from the floor and we will take this up here and there's also something sent earlier today that a potential nomination if this doesn't pass for another member of the body to be mayor pro tem so we have a motion in a second any further make your motion go ahead so i would like to nominate my co counselor councillor skilling it has been an absolute honor to work with him for the last two years he is a leader in helping to draft quality legislation he helps all of us i think see things through a good legal perspective and brings good balance and so i am thrilled to nominate and do a motion to nominate  miss sitting next to me but maybe we can arrange it on the other side here if folks can only hear what we whisper to each other a lot of love but in all seriousness appreciate your time and your service and stepping in when i certainly wasn't able to and representing the community all right next up we have public comment this is the point of the meeting where the public is invited to address the city council on items that did not appear on the agenda all comments should be directed to the city council i ask all in attendance to observe the decorum of the city council chambers and refrain from applause or audible support or discord with the speaker there is a three minute time limit per speaker the lights down here will be green and then at two and a half yellow times up red i'll politely ask you to wrap it up after that if there's anyone who did not sign the public comment roster who wishes to address the council after that's done you can come down and make sure you see the clerk please sorry sorry madam clerk i was gonna say holy cow we're cruising right through all right first up mister rodriguez good evening welcome mayor city council so in review of the citizens approval ballot question two hundred and two curb housing growth right so basically what's happening is lack of housing housing costs go up and so what's gonna happen is people are gonna have to start digging into their budget and so they're gonna pull out of their food budget and another budget it's gonna be transportation and so when we start thinking about servers service workers in general you know public transportation is going to be a vital it's gonna be important and so our sidewalks o he has an issue you know he's one of those service workers that we need in our community he relies on public transportation and so that pedestrian right away is so important for him but you know he he almost got hit twice  reckless drivers and so he went to lakewood police department and said hey i have this issue and he's that happened twice already and so he's not getting any resolve and so i'm in here to talk about these issues and to support him and his efforts to communicate that you know this is an issue and this is quite important and so if we think about a service worker community we need to be listening to these folks you know this is quite important and so to you dear members of city council i come to you as a concerned citizen of lakewood safety is a big deal for me and as of recently i have felt more and more unsafe in lakewood as a whole it seems that more and more reckless drivers are coming to lakewood and i live in an apartment community where elderly disabled in little children live at five thousand eight hundred apartments at alameda and harlan i have consistently seen drivers racing in this intersections an intersection with pedestrians and cyclists almost getting hit in one such case was around ten o'clock p m on a sunday right before the new year where a driver ran a red light and almost took me out in the process i called nine hundred and eleven still no response to this day  and another instance was on christmas i called the police around six thirty p m on another instance involving a reckless driver and i was blank basically being blamed  by the officer who responded to the call trying to make me the bad guy when it was clear that from my perspective the guy definitely was trying to do it maliciously i've had enough of this you know it i pay through my tax money for these officers to do their job and when they're not they blatantly admit and this is fir i actually have a case number from that instance on christmas let the record show lk one and the agent who responded admitted to me that there was nothing that they were going to do and that it's not going to be investigated and this is becoming more and more a habit and i want this on record that this needs to stop and this needs to change they are dishonouring their oath like the pledge of allegiance liberty and justice for all and the section one of the fourteenth amendment of the united states constitution which states no shall all citizens born an astronaut's in the united states and subject to the jurisdiction of our citizens of the united states and the state of which they reside you go wrap up your comments please um basically i'm being deprived liberty and justice without equal evening good evening i appreciate the opportunity to speak before you tonight i come to you tonight with one concern regarding the influent implementation of two hundred it has nothing to do with timelines allocations or anything else related directly to actually building homes my concern stems from many conversations i've had with others who live in the city regarding how the planning staff is being treated as this process unfolds many in our ward which is five and community are concerned that staff although an impartial group have experienced negative treatment as they bring up concerns and navigating all this you know that there are all you all know that there are significant effects that occur in any workplace where employees do not feel valued by the entity or people they are working for on the business side productivity decreases quality of work decreases toxic relationships developed i am personally more concerned with the human side of all this i worry that our staff not feeling valued where you  significant effects on their mental health and their physical health along with negative effects on their relationships with families and friends all together the business affects along with the human toll have an enormous effect on the bottom line the bottom not the line being discussed tonight and in recent months is something virtually every citizen and employee in this room and city will have to live with i along with many others are very concerned that treatment of staff and their understandable reactions to that treatment will have huge consequences as we implement two hundred and beyond i ask counsel that when you are collaborating with planning staff that you presume positive intentions and every move the staff makes i implore all in this room to use language with staff that meets their need for respect link what lakewood has the planning department filled with people who are very good at what they do and want nothing but the best for lakewood and its citizens i hope that we all remember that always i as a citizen thank council and most certainly our planning staff for this hard work that you are navigating through you are appreciate more than you know and personally you couldn't pay me enough to do it so thank you thank you childish and demeaning and unprofessional disrespectful behavior at last monday's council meeting his complete lack of respect for the mayor council and staff that was shown his back and forth with mayor with the mayor deserves to be publicly called out as he most likely won't apologize for behavior i will ward one the institution of city council the citizens of lakewood deserve better i'm sorry  doc liz and then good evening welcome good evening i'm matt boyles i'm the president of crash as some of you might know we met with amber and jim so jim from the parks department last friday to discuss our continuing use of bear creek lake park they mentioned that they were concerned with a potential loss of revenue so we agreed to cover that to a tune of one thousand two hundred dollars this year and perhaps more next year depending on that  they did mention that the signage that we had started to place cut down on any complaints that they may have had so we have agreed to increase that signage to get that  level of complaint down we also offered to integrate our website so that our schedule can be placed on the bear creek lake park website so that anybody there will know that we are flying those days so those were the concessions that we were willing to make we hope that perhaps city will be willing to make concessions and allow us to continue the activity that we have done there for thirty four years now so thank you for your talk you  liz lenore meg good evening brian told me that he was gonna give me his three minutes so we don't we don't pull like just go ahead did brian did you sign up brian signed up all right just go ahead and go and hopefully you can get it done in three minutes good evening it's a pleasure to be here thank you to the thing i saw it as a fantastic way to turn kids on the stem this i have recently wasn't a part of it but i have become a part of the team so i'm now part of the leadership team i've encouraged them to parents would sign to help the kids it was a pleasure to meet with amber and jim this last week in your beautiful building right here i've never seen it before it's wonderful and it was nice to see everybody working in good faith  there was comments made about a new place over by a high school that was like forty acres but you know you doing this myself for thirty years now it's a real liability to launch rockets over kipling parkway so i'd like to i'd like to see a way for us to work together and they sim i see some real pilot i see some real positives there's a real sense of servant leadership from the rocketry group where they shared with jim the park manager person that they actually pick up a trash every time they go out and then that's that was surprising to me as well i see the rocket center out at bear creek lake park as a wonderful thing if they could pay their way they can use the shelter there and use the restrooms there would be no conflict with people having weddings i actually see the rocket center out there as a pillar to help lakewood become an all american city and i volunteered now three or four times the different people in the government of lakewood and i'm volunteering now that i'd like to see lakewood become an all american city every year that it's capable being an all american city liquids been an all american city in two thousand and six and two thousand and eleven and i'm i don't know who's in charge of that but i've owned intere my time to do that so i think it's a great way i think i think we just have to find a way through it we talked at that thursday meeting about or that meeting over here with amber and jem about the complaining people had complaints and as a psychologist i brought up the idea that it was maybe people crying in their beer or maybe they were you know the only got the krauss's we do when we're having a bad day because there wasn't a single written complaint or email or anything like that so it's okay for people complain i have bad days too and all allowed to have that it's a great you it's just a great resource i'm gonna work hard to serve as many liquid kids as i can i'm going to send  pommier to each of you to invite you out and i'll be your handler i'll be i will make sure you have a good time i was fortunate to purchase with somebody who retired from the crash group wrap it up please move to sterling i was able to buy all  hundred all three hundred of his rockets i have a whole bunch of rockets that you can you and your children and grandchildren can fly as part of me so i want to be a part of making this move forward and anything that i can do i'd like you to try to include me or let me please allow me to help thank you very much you liz or meg and kathy and then brian if you want to come back up you can maybe you may you're in council i just want to make one real quick comment about television recently i see a lot of lakewood place lately on the television and that breaks everybody's hearts so i know that there's not maybe the whole crew that can be there i know that it's it's replenishing so i sure hope that things like you're speaking of can be taken care of so off my notes we've been able to we've been unable to locate the last compromise that was discussed at the january th meeting regarding the bail at two hundred initiative originally there were the four options offered by mister hutchison one being no change that were referred to and we're showing for reference i firstly found a very informative when in fact those on the overhead we could look at them and decide when you were referring to some of these unfortunately i was not able to follow it i would have been able to follow baby to pull it over head back again and pull those bullet points out so what i'm trying to find out is where is that document because i just am unable to find it but if somebody could direct us to find out where that is because we're wondering what that compromise looks like thank you all thank you  d evening i'm a firm believer in transparency and accountability this includes accepting responsibility for one's mistakes whoever was involved in the writing and  distributing of the may th two thousand and nineteen memo regarding building permits put forth inaccurate and misleading information which has led to a backlog of applications this was issued without informing city council so now some of these council members are putting in endless hours to come up with compromises and plans to deal with this mess instead of trying to bail out the staff let them suffer the consequences of their overzealous and reckless actions whatever they may be if lawsuits are filed so be it i don't feel that the initiative should be used as the sacrificial lamb to resolve these problems for years there have been members of council who have enabled staffs overreach by turning a blind eye or actually supporting their actions i suspect this will continue for years to come unless something is done to stop it councilor skilling's proposals suggest suspending the formula for determining allocations until two thousand and twenty two when this backlog will be resolved he fails to mention the provision for council oversight on projects greater than forty units why should significant aspects of two hundred be delayed or changed to appease staff's demands there seems to be an organized effort to sabotage two hundred without ever implementing it as approved by voters if the planning department employees are overworked perhaps it's because they're busy attempting to alter two hundred rather than following it is written i would like to remind everyone the two hundred is the law let it be do not change it if problems arise over the next year they can be addressed and corrected find another way to dig yourselves out of the hole that you created i'd like to believe that you can figure it out without subverting the will of the people thank you may york good evening this could be a first for a long well yes i'm a little nervous so bear with me yeah so my name is meg york and i'm an ethnomusicologist so that means i play ethnic music and i understand that there  was there was an executive order thirteen and there was some movement about that about a week and a half ago so i apologize if that's already been decided in favor of but i'm just going to read the letter i got from the international rescue committee asking people to come up and and thank and be in support of this so if i'm in the wrong place at the wrong time at least you'll get a little clarinet in about thirty seconds okay so yeah so i'm here to thank you to support the passage of consent resolution by the city of lakewood that would allow newly arriving refugees to continue to be placed within our community in compliance with the executive order one three eight eight eight lakewood should pass a local consent resolution to demonstrate our support for our newest refugee neighbors and for our existing neighbors who are hoping to reunite with family members approved already for resettlement in the us i was out of town when this first happened about two weeks ago so i just want to say thank you because in the follow up letter it says that we're pending to approve this in the city of lakewood that's all the information i have on that and now i'm just going to play you a little a little song all right so this this song is called goalie sangam it's an iranian folk tune and as you know iran is in the news and i wouldn't know these beautiful melodies if i didn't have refugee and immigrant friends so i'm very emotionally attached to it and i'm sorry but that's where i'm at right now and you can probably imagine why city of lakewood limit residential growth to no more than one percent per year by implementing a permit allocation system for new dwelling units and by requiring city council approval of allocations for projects of forty units or more on july th that and the full text became law i'm here tonight to address the resolution you have scheduled for the end of this month a resolution that should follow the current law and honor these two cornerstones of the strategic growth ordinance a last monday study session it became apparent the council is leaning towards a compromise put forth by councillor skilling this compromise neither fits the four corners of the document as stated nor fulfill the promise of large projects having public hearings in front of you city council the skilling compromise would require you to either change or suspend large parts of voter approved language and it doesn't even begin to address the second cornerstone of the ordinance that large projects be approved by you city council how and when does council plan to alter or suspend parts of this ordinance because that is what you must do if you plan to consider the compromise put forth by councillor skilling some of us just some of the parts which would have to be suspended include these listed right here instead of growth proceeding as it should in a timely manner this compromise will have us proceed in a haphazard potentially punitive manner where we hold place for projects which may never be built at all and tell other projects that they have to wait or worse yet revoke permits which have already been granted most concerning the proposed compromise does not even address the other pillar of this ordinance that large project have a public hearing and come before you and be decided by you our elected officials instead of a compromise however you do have one amazing option to consider i ask you to please add to the january t agenda an item that sets allocations as prescribed in fourteen two seven point zero five o subtracting of course any units already granted permit since july th and direct staff to start scheduling public those timelines to go out to the public about this discussion will be occurring really through the month of february so there will be at least one or two within the liquid area to discuss  are affecting writers the one is the sixteen l running along colfax there is currently also the sixteen that runs along colfax if the sixteen now goes away that means it will be a longer ride for those people the w line is right to the south of it but that is like a trolley so we can talk about express on the w we're gonna have to get around some tweaks that's really not on the agenda right now but just recognizing that that's been a problem since day one since we you know hit the bell rin and the bigger concern that many people have had is a ninety nine l which until two days ago was called the one hundred l that was just a scheduling change and yes create confusion among some people  that runs along from kim kyle park ride all the way up to the federal center going then down to the civic center the main problem the main thing is going back to two thousand and thirteen there are yes people who want to go to denver union station the north side but there is an equal amount or substantial amount of people who want to go to civic center the ninety nine l is what does that for them we is probably going to go through will probably eliminate the route we're in a bind people should know that as an alternative there's the eighty seven limited stops that runs along wodsworth let me just shoot you sometimes real quick the ninety nine mo people right now from federal center to civic center that's about twenty five minutes if they were to take the w line take the metro bus the free right not the shuttle one but the metro it's a little faster they're going to be at about forty two minutes so it does double the time  as a sixteen that's a little bit less time the eighty seven l though from the hampton park and ride if you can think of that one just south of two hundred and eighty five or it runs along wodsworth jewel it stops at wodsworth mississippi it goes right over here to belmar if we had some sort of a parking area for those people we might be i might be able to just say i'm sorry ninety nine now people you're gonna have to go down to the eighty seven i'll take the wads where it's in the time there though let's just say it's wodsworth in mississippi that's twenty six minutes that is completely comparable you like am i supposed to be watching a light somewhere or do my getting comp i'm special i ran out of time but as a director of another body if you want to continue with that rtd information yeah so there are alternatives it is not the end of the world that's what i want to share with you right now though we are i don't know if we saw headlines today on us again dropping a tremendous amount of routes because we just don't have the drivers who don't have the work for i talked to steve bell at the school today they're facing the same problem they don't have enough drivers these two routes are not the only routes being cut we're not singling anybody out but we are paying one point three to one point four million dollars in overtime each month over a million dollars a month in overtime we can't continue on this route financially or on the work force so something has to be done so now i'm going to be done with my thing and i know you did address the zoning but i have to kind of chuckle when i read the language and i'm done i am gonna send this to you i just want to note one thing i'm being sarcastic we do have public comment on that i know but i don't know that i want to hang around and be quick i promise good evening you know it's amazing i wasn't really gonna speak tonight i mean i was just gonna sit here and enjoy the mess but i have to commend all of council the amount of brain damage that was done on monday night last monday was extensive and some of us like me and a few other people can't spare  supposed to follow those laws that's what you swore an oath for and i think charlie held everything from going out in the weeds he was that meeting could have gone for another twenty hours charlie did an admirable job of keeping it out of the weeds staying on point my point is we should have had that meeting there should be no compromise no how no way not ever none follow the law i don't know why it's so hard what's hard about it i heard i heard at a meeting on saturday stay to it no compromise no how no way i don't think you guys think you're kings or princesses or princes that you can just rule roughshod over everything follow the law i don't know how many times i've got to say how many there were seventy five people here they were saying charlie thank you for your work seventy five people said follow the law follow the law does anybody have a problem with that that's so simple no excuses follow the law you think it's funny you think it's funny that people are getting upset with you paul don't ever do that thank you sir i appreciate your comments all right that exhausts the roster anybody else wish to speak maybe we can have some more clarinet no thank you all right thank you so two parts on our first two speakers i saw sergeant english brought two notes so sounds like we're already on top of that and your own problem unfortunately is not unique to the whole of lakewood in mmm issues related to speeding pedestrian incidents i think we had nine pedestrian fatalities seven them were jaywalking eight of them were jaywalking so we are certainly aware liquid advisory commission is engaged and we're looking at different ways and i think it unfortunately is priorities and balancing you know the police workload and what they're responding to and what other things are happening i wish we could be everywhere when everybody needed us but certainly it looks like you got some sort of follow up and we're gonna continue to address this as a council i think not only pedestrian safety but traffic safety it was a terrible year not only in lakewood but the whole metro area so thank you for coming out and hopefully we can continue to work with you on that and then the second part of that follow up is liz i don't know if we had the presentation online but we can certainly try to find that slide for you and get that to you but i'm sure we have it in in an email form that we can get it to you so okay you're welcome all right and then there was another question about the the refugees and that will be something that will take up under general business tonight as a council so okay thank you manager's report mayor first at risk of embarrassing our city clerk just two quick items first i wanted to share that the u s department of state conducted our annual passport audit and we passed with flying colors so congratulations to michelle and her staff on that feel free to come renew your passport or get a new passport you can do it right here at city hall and then second and final in an effort to avoid confusion with the liquored cultural center we have launched a new branding campaign for the liquid heritage center called heritage lakewood we had people going to one facility when they thought they were going to the other facility in addition to the new branding we've changed the logo and some other things to help avoid confusion so with that that concludes my report all right well thank you i'm sure we'll still continue to mix it up for a while okay so next up we have the on the agenda only for the purpose of setting future public hearing dates in or during the newspaper publication the proposed ordinance no public comments will be heard this evening on first reading ordinances the public will have the opportunity to comment on the proposed ordinances during the scheduled public hearings on the date set tonight by city council any council member may request an item on the consent agenda be removed for separate discussion and action under general business well the clerk please read the consent agenda into the record two item ten resolution two thousand and twenty five directing city staff to create an in house city attorney position and forming an ad hoc city council committee to establish the general perimeters for in house city attorney recruitment and compensation item eleven ordinance oh two thousand and twenty one amending lakewood misspell code title twelve and article ten of title seventeen to reflect changes in state and federal law relating to wireless services and communications item twelve ordina city council meeting city council meeting july nd two thousand and nineteen city council meeting september nine two thousand and nine teen city council meeting september rd two thousand and nineteen okay thank you there has been a request from resolutions all of which are included and the consent agenda items introduced into the record by the city clerk no second i'm sorry i'm gonna probably have to make you do that again okay and there are a couple questions but i forgot to open the public comment portion of that for the two resolutions nobody's signed up to speak anyway wish to speak on those resolutions all right i'll now close public comment so do we need to have him reread that ask to pull item eleven regarding the wireless services from the consent agenda for discussion would that then be during general business yes ma'am so i will and motion maker please take back there's we move the second i withdraw the motion you sure you want this job mister skilling xx two to be published in the denver post with public hearing set for the date included in the ordinance and for adoption of resolutions all of which are included in the consent agenda items int into the record by the city clerk second okay we have a motion in a second on the two remaining resolutions on the consent agenda please cast and that passes eleven eyes zero nays well the clerk please read item fourteen item fourteen ordinance oh two thousand and nineteen forty two authorizing the supplemental appropriation to the and twenty annual budget in the amount of sixty six thousand nine hundred fifty nine dollars and authorizing the expenditure of grant grant funds from the department of local affairs to assist the city of lakewood in partnership with the jefferson county complete count committee and other subcommittee organizations to work collectively on outreach to hard to count populations of lakewood and jefferson county to encourage their participation in the two thousand and twenty census okay i'll now open the public hearing on item fourteen nobody's fifteen item fifteen ordinance oh two thousand and nineteen forty three authorizing a real estate exchange agreement with the regional transportation district to address land ownership along the rtd light rail w line and vacating certain  as i was reading through this proposed ordinance  there's been concern along the detail bike path from west of kipling i believe that's part of this package i learned today that it does not look like eminent domain will be used that's my first question but there is a little bit of portion on one of the pieces of land that it might be also i have a couple questions when we exchange all this land and and it looks like this actually it was taken place in two thousand and eight the agreement between the city and rtd we will assume the maintenance and upkeep on the land that we're heading that we will be getting it was a little confusing to me that we're already doing it or not but i just wanted to know if there was a cost that was associated with that and let's see here finance director and city treasurer and staff person responsible for the ordinance here tonight and if i may just give a little context to the audience here in chambers and perhaps watching at home on this particular ordinance and some of the background  yes in two thousand and eight the city entered into an intergovernmental agreement with the regional transportation district to provide for many different things happening related to the w line  construction that was occurring since the time of that intergovernmental agreement it was believed and envisioned that many property entitlements would probably need to be exchanged at the end of the construction and the opening of the w line and that proved to be true the staffs of the city of lakewood in the regional transportation district kept careful watch on all of the different elements that went into it and as you probably noted in the staff report their proposed ninety properties than seventy two easements to be a part of all this and i think everybody's aware that the w line runs about twelve miles just within the city of lakewood alone of course it runs across golden jefferson county and denver all along the way so it's been a complicated bit of work for staff to track for a low over ten years now as this has come to fruition by the way i should mention that this transfer of properties agreement has already been approved by the regional transportation district's board and now as a counterparty to this the city of lakewood a council and mayor will need to approve as well so just as that's just some of the context that goes in and we're talking about road crossings over the rail line we're talking about a drainage improvements all manner of utilities and sound walls many different things and and i will defer to our city of lakewood property and purchasing services division manager adrian stan's you if you want to go into any of the particulars in detail and i apologize because the staff report was nearly a hundred pages we tried our best to detail every address every description every easement and so forth going in so let's see first there was the question is does this relate to  extension of the multi use path the d ten bike path and i'm just going to expand on its description because that can get confusing yes it does involve that there's land blount that belongs to the rtd that would transfer to the city as a function of this being adopted the city has been working with those property owners and does not expect to utilize eminent domain which can only be authorized by this city council eminent domain has not been authorized by the city council staff does not anticipate it being used in fact all of the necessary entitlements for that are under agreement at the moment so all of those landowners have reached terms and conditions satisfactory to them and satisfactory to the city within our budget to accomplish the multi use path should this ordinance be approved so i'm not aware of any the need to perform any eminent domain for that one particular element of this ordinance in terms of cost and maintenance when rtd for example as a function of the requirement of the r obligation to maintain those drainage facilities to make sure they're cleaved clear of debris and water quality management issues so the city would have the responsibility to do that but the city might not have the ease or physical access to perform that maintenance it may not even have the legal entitlement to approach and and maintain those stormwater management facilities as they're in place but the city's staff have been maintaining those since their completion to make sure that the waterways are open and that would prevent flooding in certain areas that could cause injury or damage not only to rtd but surrounding areas so we've been performing those since the line opened some number of years ago now so hopefully that address the cost but the city has generally been performing those and they wouldn't be materially u stormwater management utility or other public works maintenance activities so councillor johnson i hope that i addressed the idea of cost whether or not the city's been maintaining it and then also the concept of of eminent domain i hope thank you you did and it leads to another question there were issues regarding the ditches head gate has that been resolved to the satisfaction of the ditch company the way the water will now be drained because when the light rail came in it disrupted the flow and i'm not sure that has ever really been satisfactorily taken care of  company thank you let me add a little bit of context and first may i ask these responses by saying as the city's finance director and city treasurer i'm not a water engineer but i've been involved in this for at least the last year since that first came up as an issue and maybe having a layperson explain it is a is a good route to go but the lakewood mutual heights water company and the white lateral ditch company are related to one of the ninety properties involved in this ordinance and that involves the land beneath what what we envision becoming the multi use path there between kipling and oak at the end of the day not involving the city at all but when the rtd constructed the w line it made some changes to the way that that ditch works and then how that impacts the water company which is  downstream and there was some disagreement and some needs related to that and that's what's delayed this ordinance coming for many many months now as cities the  engineers have coordinated with the owner of those property rights the owners plural to ensure that we can meet their needs from an engineering standpoint and and that's been accomplished so should the city get involved in any future  when the city i should say gets involved in the construction of the future multi use path those needs will be addressed at that time to satisfy white lateral liquid mute heights mutual water company so they will have adequate access to the head gate for clean out because that seemed to be kind of a my key my understanding point is just the access because they have that today but just the flow right water and and at the end of the day it's t the pitch right that's involved that makes the water flow at a certain pace they still have access to the gates and they will have that in the future but it's merely the how steep or how flat the flow of the water is moving and that's that's the and after the bike path is there they will still have adequate access to that yes in fact that won't the multi use path the bike path won't impede their access to the flow of those waters and so forth there just immediately to the north right because you're correct there's been difficulty with the pitch and the water hasn't been draining correctly so thank you m right anything else for mister doar well while we have this opportunity i will on behalf of council since you're standing here thank you for all your years of dedicated service and so the rest of the community may not know but mister dores leaving the city lakewood and moving on to a new and exciting chapter of his life so twenty two years here thank you mary council eighteen years to service and thank you for the opportunity to serve each of you and the lakewood community and this amazing staff of teammates that are behind me it really means a lot to me to have become the longest serving city treasurer and finance director in liquid history so thank you and i think that this experience prepare prepares me for my next professional journey so thank you and best wishes always best wishes to you sir thank you thank you nice job giving your engineering to thank you all right we have a motion in a second on open the public hearing on item sixteen and welcome chief mccaskey good evening mayor and councilmembers i just have a few updates from our last meeting so thanks for your patience with us on this we made some changes after the last meeting and i just wanted to go over those very quickly i know composting was a big topic of conversation and we removed the changes that composting could not occur in the front yard or within ten feet of the property line that was that was the removal from that part the next part on nine eighty zero point one seven ob with criminal activity we we added criminal activity andor we had criminal activity we added multiple offenses to that as well and then we added in parentheses f when such offenses cause a danger to the public health safety or welfare and that was to address some of the concerns that  were brought up that night and then another change we made was under nine eight zero point one seven o parentheses m and that's securing and boarding up buildings and we changed the language in there we had  language quote in the opinion of end quote and for the code enforcement supervisor or the city's building official we changed that to determines now and so that language is consistent with other provisions in the municipal commercial building is abandoned and or vacated it shall be the owner's responsibility to maintain the building facade and structure including the removal of all graffiti from the property and keep the property clear of excessive debris and any dangerous skilling i think that was almost verbatim for what you what we talked about the only other thing i'd like to just mention is i know i've had some email communication with council members regarding an odor provision and we it was this is simply a recommendation from our city attorney and our code enforcement that we don't add an odor provision as far as an enforcement option just because of the difficulty of enforcing something such as that it doesn't mean that we can't open an investigation or look into complaints of odor excessive voter and look for the underlying causes of those so that's simply a recommendation and if counsel feels that that's something that they want will i'll be glad to put it in there we'll be glad to do that but i just think you know when you know from the advice of our our legal counsel and from my perspective it's it's very difficult to enforce and i'm not sure  spencer so we're glad to answer any questions now and hopefully we've caught all the things and changes that we discussed a couple weeks ago but great thank you chief go ahead we have some public comments so yeah thank you i have as a miss wheet miss weber you favor the question do you wish to speak okay thank you all right anybody else wish to speak on this topic seeing oh yes of course this men public or private citizen i should say so i appreciate the amendments in the code especially the compost pile so that means i don't have to tomorrow morning start digging and moving my three very nice compost piles which  neighbors probably don't know about but you never know the neighbor that you'll get but i do note so i'm sharing with you my thoughts about how it reads right now and that is that a nuisance is if basic i don't have the wording i don't want to read it here but but if there's vermin but if you look up vermin so i gave it to you um which might note that that includes some people so hopefully i'm not your vermin yet wild animals are believed to be harmful t crops well i can tell you one of the the more annoying animals on my property tend to be squirrels because they like to eat my tomatoes and they like to steal my cucumbers and take one bite and leave it out in the driveway now if you want to make this did you everybody get one did you okay good i want to make sure everybody's got one it you know this is a squirrel eating a pumpkin and as i'm saying here ban the wildlife save the town carve pumpkins already went through enough torture without the horror of squirrel teeth and you'll see the squirrel there at the bottom eating the tomatoes and if you were to read this code literally it would mean that there is a squirrel eating pumpkin from think um halloween you could be in violation of the law so i just want to bring it to your attention that yes we were supposed to trust trust trust trust nobody will bring you and nobody will take it nobody will complain well i don't think any of you would want to bet money on that so i just bring it to your attention i am glad that the three violations at least are saying public health welfare but honestly a crack sidewalk is a health issue i can tell you about that with th street mall down there's just things that can be pushed and we should be very very careful when we create codes that neighbors can use against one another and create franks paul it was just a comment i wanted to thank you guys for being so open and willing to to hear especially about the compost i mean i work with compost groups they were so thankful that you guys were so willing to consider that remove that  that i think that this is collaborative and i really appreciate that thanks thank you mayor i'm so excited about this that we've been waiting for this for a really long time i just have one quick question now i wanted to go back to the comment about odor so odour itself is not in our code but if the neighbors are smelt cuz that's kind of what started our infamous house on south lee street i won't call it what we normally call it but it was the odor so the underlying cause of the odour would give you the right to be able to go and investigate correct that's that's correct councillor if there is if there's an odor reported we can can investigate based on on what's provided to us and the assumption would be the odour would come from something that isn't exactly acceptable that's that's yes thank you very much and thank you thank you thank you for all your work let me tell you this will make ward five people very happy thank you i'm sorry  responsive as far the odor odor is a difficult thing and i understand the odor detectors are quite expensive so i think just being able to respond to the odor should cover that well are questions about what we meant whether it meant to be we wanted cracks in the sidewalk prosecuted as public safety risk i think people can just refer to our videos we now keep our meeting videos for ever so if there's any question folks can just dial back to what we said to a few weeks ago and and pick up what what we're really looking for you did a great job i just want to thank you for your responsiveness to our concerns especially on the zoning issue so appreciate it i think it's what we needed to address it gives the courts a little bit of wiggle room to deal with these things and that's what i was looking for the other thing i just wanted to mention i was a private attorney i've dealt with these kinds of issues before on both sides and you've got a great tool there that i hope you'll take advantage of when when you need to and that is the provision i think it's nine eight zero point zero nine which is the costs and charges i think that's a really effective tool it allows you to go in and really fix the problem if you've got somebody that complied and you've had a number of contacts with them and they still got a yard that's you know really a junk yard let's say and not meeting all the requirements you can go in there and clean it up and make them pay for it and if they don't pay for it lien our house and that lien is a priority lien that's that's probably more effective than just removing them from the house you know you still haven't by doing that you still haven't corrected the real problem so i just point that out i and that's been in the week and and some different wards and that's definitely an effective tool so and and my commitment to you sirs and arrest america and council is you know we can always revisit the sort if we if we find some new problem or issue that arise s we can always come back and address it and we can't foresee everything that occurs but we're open to that so thank you keller johnson you i obviously support this and you know how much i admire and respect you chief and sergeant ellis thank you for your work on this i do have a few questions just for my own sake so that i nuisances music we've got there interior of the structure it is unlawful and constitutes a nuisance for any person to allow junk or rubbish to accumulate inside a residence or other structure to the extent it is a health and safety hazard to the occupants or the public as a visiting nurse i know what hoarding looks like my only concern is that when we codify this we perhaps put some people in it in a position where they need to report a condition number one and number two you know i don't want to live like that but it just is a little awkward to know that there's this kind of language where somebody could maybe come in and how do you enforce it if it's codified just talk to me help me through this one sure confident so that is existing language that was already in the ordinance so that meant has not something that we've changed i know of one particular property in ward five i believe it is where it's a hoarding property and it's so it's so extensive that the hoarding that the occiput occupant can't live in the home anymore and it's a home that the fire department has also has standing orders that they refuse to go into the home that there's a structure fire due to the danger so that's the one example i can give i don't think there's any mandatory state law requirements of mandatory reporting for hoarding homes like that so i'm not sure who would report that but you know the where the one house that i know of that we've seen it has impacted the neighbors and and some you know and the hoarding has actually extended out into the end of the yard so the yards and go to a home and it's very very cluttered on the outside it's that's exactly what it's going to be like on the inside and so i understand what that looks like i just want to make sure that people aren't put in a position where you know maybe they should have to feel like they have to report something and okay next thing page four  of the packet i know it gets confusing here u let me find it here yeah the unlawful manufacture cultivation growth production processing sale of controlled substances there's more to it than that often times and i don't want to beat a dead horse to death here but oftentimes the only way that neighbors know that there is marijuana being grown illegal is because the strong that odor is so strong but yet talk to me just help me through this chief i mean how do you enforce it when you don't really the those are those are difficult cases because we have had complaints about that before a lot of times it requires a lot of investigation on our part one thing we can do is we can we call it knock and talk we can knock on the door and talk to the residents that live that live there and and see if they'll give us consent to search or you know and generally they may or may not that's one option we we have other options search warrants if there's enough probable  cause you know we can we can search we can obtain a search warrant you know depending on what information we have again a lot of times its limited and we don't have enough to obtain a search warrant but we can look at excel energy bills you know we can look at  we can look at the patterns of you know we can seduce surveillance we can do a lot of different things like that but those are those are very difficult case you know but generally i think and and when you have such a strong smell of marijuana that  odor generally there's you know it's not one or two plants it's it's yeah and so there's a lot of different tools we can use but those are difficult very difficult cases for us well i know you're very thoughtful about it because there was one issue not that far from my home and you were very careful the way you proceeded so i know that you're doing your due diligence but i'm just saying that sometimes the only thing maybe that the neighbors know is an ordinance or excuse me an odor so you can use that as probable cause in there we have to have more than just just the odor there's haves there has to be some other factors and our detectives you know will kind of try to put together and establish information that would lead to probable cause for a search warrant okay but the odor itself generally is not enough to establish probable cause that some type of illegal grow is happening at the residence okay  it sounds like if the house is in such bad shape that you disallow the owner from getting within two hundred yards talk to me a little bit about that because as a homeowner okay it's under b and it's redlined one point one six point zero eight zero applies and the concept is this that when you have something where you have a nuisance property that's that's dangerous to the the health and safety of the public we're either like the example the chief gave earlier where you have a house that's hoarded to the point where  he or she has hoarded herself out of the home and has now begun hoarding in the yard the problem is oftentimes our building officials can post the building is unsafe but we have no way to control their access to the property and so then it makes it very difficult to enforce anything as far as behavior because when our officers are told hey go by the property and make sure no one's going into that unsafe building if the person's standing on the driveway there's nothing we can do they loose we have to wave at them and keep driving so so the ability to ensure that there's that safety piece and you're able to effectively contain them from going into the home is difficult with that the second example all gave is there was a home where there was meth use there was prostitutes going in and out of it we had a robbery suspect flee to that location they had broke in their own sewer line and dug down twenty feet to get to it in their own front yard and had raw sewage going everywhere in that case we boarded up the building because it was declared unsafe and they broke back in we boarded again eventually they broke through the chimney and crawled down into their own home and so that and the problem there was is we kept boarding the building saying this is unsafe you cannot be in here it's for your safety and everyone else's the floor is unstable the foundation is unstable there's exposed wiring when i first went in there they had bypassed the safety on the furnace and it was running non stop just pouring out water and there was an adequate ventilation for the gas line so we shut down the entire house and had the fire department come in needless to say in these very extreme cases when we boarded up the house we would tell our officers hey please drive by there and make sure the building's secure the problem is there was nothing preventing those home from standing in the yard all night and so the neighbors would call and say hey they started a fire in the backyard to stay warm they just put up a tent we had them rvs on the property they were sleeping in cars but we had no way to say hey we know you're doing this and we also have the resources to surve this kind of the place non stop so the goal with this was identify those cases where someone has we've gone to this extreme and provided a measure to say you can't be around here because you continue to cause problems for your entire neighborhood based on your activity so those are those are kind of examples of where we would use that i just needed to be talked through it absolutely thank you councillor gutwein thank you i also wanted to thank you so much for the way you address all the questions and concerns that our council had but also just the incredible way you've helped craft this entire all of these changes i think it's going to really help us address some of these extreme trouble properties that not a large number but the ones that we do have do really create a lot of upset and an unpleasant and sometimes just very unsafe situations for the community so thank you so much and they tend to be very difficult and challenging issues so we just really appreciate everything that you've done and then also just for fun miss m miss spencer sergeant chief thanks for everything you know i can remember back to when we had the first community meeting and you don't always anticipate these types of issues right and it was so severe and it was just something that we'd never seen before and so sometimes government can be slow to react but i think enough this thoughtful approach that we've done and it's taken quite a long time but you always have to balance the property rights of our residents and their individual rights with the public safety of the rest so i think this is a great balance i certainly support it you know you've put a lot of time and energy and sgt we've always enjoyed your presentations too i know you get a kick out of that so with that i'll ask okay well now go to general business and i'll ask the clerk to please reread item eleven i think this is an important issue it's one that has been brought up by many many of my constituents and you know certainly there are health concerns and we understand what you're seeing regarding federal law in what we are and are not permitted to do with regard to the fcc in federal law however this is a bit of a moving target and there are changes that have occurred in the law there's a recent us court of appeals case that came down  against the fcc and an order that the fcc made sort of excusing wireless carriers from doing environmental effect studies under nepa and what the court said was that the fcc could not forego that requirement and that the wireless companies have to have to do those nepa studies and there are also issues with what is the wave of the future so fiber optics is something some people consider the wave of the future and in wonder if g might be obsolete within a few years and so it's a question i have about if we're gonna make changes to the ordinance from what i could tell that in some cases added language that would make it easier for wireless companies to put some of these things in place without having some kind of public discussion about it i think it is not being responsible as a council and so i i would really of the things i would point out is it was set for hearing on the th of january when we have a pretty important agenda issue to decide and so i think there again at the very least this deserves some discussion and the public weighing in on this and  so i would just ask that we as a council don't get ahead of ourselves with the changes in this ordinance i you know i did have a question so i haven't been here very long so i don't know how this particular item came to a first reading and who brought it here and why the memo did say something about there were meetings with the with some of the wireless carriers but i guess i'm wondering what what about meetings with constituents who are concerned about this issue as well and i personally had a couple of experiences in in trying to deal with this issue when they were when verizon was installing cell tower just about twenty feet from my kids school playground and and there were city ordinance rules at play that that didn't that it looks like have been taken off of the ordinance here and so that concerns me because that was one of very few things we could do under the federal law were these aesthetic sort of barriers and protections and and so i just think that we should at least consider this issue a little further mister goldstein do you want he will be giving a much more extensive presentation with a lot more background than i'm able to do here we have worked with the wireless providers on trying to thread the needle municipalities lakewood and every other municipality are largely preempted by federal and state law on this issue so we have very limited room to maneuver here and in our ongoing discussions with the wireless providers we've tried to thread that needle and and regain as much control for our residents and for the city as possible as much as possible but again as was said in the memo this is largely an issue of federal paul appreciate that i certainly wonder way and we certainly have been hearing from a lot of constituents i sent a document a report to all of council while i am obviously very open to hearing all kinds of information i certainly approach this with some level of pause so while i would be supportive of getting to that point it may be that night that we decide that we put the pi i do need more information over the weekend i found the court case i conferred with a fellow council member we didn't have time to research that but certainly there's emerging law that you know and that may you know be taken farther up but i think at this point getting more information but certainly i just want to kind of notice out to my colleagues that i may be in support of a deeper study on that depending on what comes out of not only that information that we'll get from mister feldman but also our own due diligence as we kind of reach out into the  the research space that we can find as well i'm also you know centurylink is providing g as well and they're doing it through fiber optics and existing cables on overhead a in its power and coverage so are we required to allow them to make incursions into our right of way or we simply required to allow them to offer g service which could be done with different delivery systems it might be less unattractive so that's one of the questions i would have and i'd like to see a  full discussion of this on the and i have the same concern about the twenty seventh we're going to have a lot to talk about that night i guess we could bring our own cots and breakfast the next morning but  i think we might be able to accommodate a more wide ranging discussion of g on perhaps a different date mayor i would echo those comments from my other co councillors and i would add that this is fairly complicated stuff and we have a approximately twenty pages of  new text on this amended ordinance and frankly it's complicated and i'll be honest with you i didn't understand quite a bit of it and you know i'm gonna have to go through it again probably several times to try and understand it and i suspect maybe there's others that might have some difficulty understanding it as well and the the thing is mister goldstein had a really good point i was glad to hear is that  what we're trying to do here is as you know maximize our control you know to the extent we can under federal law and and also to protect the interests of our city and i'm glad to hear that because that's one of my biggest  concerns are we doing everything we can within the limits and bounds of the law and so i'd like a little more information on that at some point what are the specifics what are we talking about in terms of what we're doing to try and you know protect our our residents in our city on on those kinds of issues so it's complicated there's a lot here i'm sort of surprised to see that we've gotten along all these years without these twenty pages of editions and i'd probably need some explanation about that as well so i could see this being a somewhat you know involved discussion and i think that's why i supported taking it off of the first reading and i think we should consider maybe putting it at a time when we when we have more time and we don't have a real crowded agenda so that's my comments i made you speak bruce lee to that we have had provisions in our code that govern wireless cell towers similar the one that customer springsteen was speaking of that was placed near school those are different rules than what govern g or micro towers and as the industry has changed and as this technology has come out with different rules the state also has rules pertaining to this so we're trying to have our code catch up to that we are a little behind the game  required municipalities to have started this work already they really wanted cities to have already adopted this i think we're in line with where many of our peer cities are but further a further heavy agendas that it just seems to be the nature of it right now i do think you'll learn a lot from mister feldman's presentation it is available in lakewood speaks right now i believe for those of you who are interested in watching it at least a slide show you don't quick things we do have a request the next item that was pulled was to remove the rezone from the th so that would free up some time the second opportunity i guess could be to have that presentation with mister feldman and then extend this second reading further down so then there's that opportunity again i'd appreciate you mentioned it's on lakewood speaks and that could be an opportunity as well to postpone there to move this more to a presentation on the th with continued second reading into february as well i think our challenge right now is we are currently receiving applications  sites and we're processing them we don't have the benefit of the additional provisions that we have in the new rules so we're perpetually trying to keep up with industry on this but we don't have the benefit of our new rules so i think from a staff perspective as quickly as we can get these rules in place and i understand that there's concerns in the community about it from a staff perspective we have the same concerns or pretty hamstrung so the rules at least give us a little more authority than we have now thank you well it's just gonna echo a lot of the comments that i've already heard and also i was just gonna ask if there was sort of a hard deadline when we need to get something through but it's you've kind of answered that a little bit i think with saying that you think this additional regulations would be helpful i was also just gonna mention that i sit on the nlc committee that does the federal regulations on the g networks and we have a ton of resources with them and i think  we could benefit from reaching out to them and having them provide all that information that they have on all the different rule changes and they're constantly talking about this and i know it all the n lc n lc meetings and  cml meetings they've talked about this issue pretty frequently because all the different federal rules the fast act and all the different things that are happening right now to try to speed up and ramp up g deployment  but i did want to just agree with everyone i do think there's a lot of concern in the community about this i've probably had more emails on this than just about anything except for maybe rockets and development maybe  so i think there's obviously some concern and i think i think we probably missed an opportunity to do more education from for counsel but also for the community as well about what some of these things mean so maybe we need to look at that process again but just want to kind of echo what everyone else has said and so thanks we can certainly look at putting some additional material online even up until this friday procedurally though i mean i know we're talking the th but the next regular meeting is the th so you have basically two weeks out from that if that would be something that is emails it's that i'm not sure i really understand g yet so i really do need some help with that so i'm really thrilled that we're going to have that but i'd also really encourage all of us when we listen to  the presentation ahead of time get our questions to staff ahead of time so that when we come to the meeting we come prepared and not necessarily have you know a whole list of questions certainly things are going to come up during the dialogue but that will really help our schedule as well so please please please do that thank you telstra springsteen um you know i've talked to people in other municipalities about this issue and they have done any number of things like hiring an expert aesthetician to come in and make this issue a little more citizen friendly and i think that's always the issue for me is why are where we we we need to support the citizens on this as well as the businesses and so one question i have is why are we having this this information session from only one side i want to hear from both sides and and and so we see this again and again i want to hear what the issues are on both sides i think it is premature to have an information session especially on the th when we have a hard deadline on two hundred with the allocations that night and we don't we don't i have an agreement on how to handle that yet and so i think that needs to at certain times we need to really focus on what is the biggest priority in front of us and and for that night that is certainly the priority and i think delaying this another two weeks when the when it just suddenly showed up on the agenda today and i'd like to ask you know who did the drafting of the text  to change this ordinance who who did all of this drafting and why was it just presented to us at this point in in one big block without being able to weigh in as we go and how to approach this and you know i understand there's federal rules and sec rules but that doesn't mean that they're gonna come down on us in the next month or two or even year about this i mean they just want us to come up with a way to help them comply and  o i understand you're getting applications for sites but those applications are just gonna have to wait until we hear that citizens on this issue and we can't do it on  the th i really really strongly suggest that we have a more complete look at this on a different date whether that be february th or a date further down the road but that's a serious question what how how is the federal government going to enforce sanction against the city if if we delay a little bit that might be a question for our city attorney but in all practical purposes what's gonna happen is we're gonna have an end up approving permits for locations without the benefit of the new rules in place it already happened eighteen t put in a master lease agreement a month or so ago a couple months ago and we didn't have the benefit of our new rules or tried to catch up by making some adjustments in here so it's happening in real time right now and and we can't just not approve them there's a shot clock associated with the federal rules that requires us to approve them if we don't they're automatically approved well they can't put anything in our right of way automatically approved or not that correct can they just go out and start digging up the right of way and planting these poles i'm not sure counselor i do know that the shot clock concept has been used by the fcc in a number of scenarios over the years  i don't know how often they've had to implement that sort of automatic approval but i know it's a tool that they've used to hold the the the sword over the heads of local governments i'm confident mister feldman knows what the likely enforcement mechanisms are and i'd be happy to get in touch with them and pass along what i learned from him you know as soon as i learned about it long before the next meeting so you can have that information and i and i would just said i understand perfectly counselor springsteen's desire for that both sides represented i just want to make clear that mister feldman is not a side he's not an industry representative he's a municipal lawyer with expertise  telecommunications who consults with a number of golde jurisdictions and is a recognized national authority but not as an industry representative he really represents the interests of municipalities in the system with getting their their ordinances  up to speed so i just want to make sure everybody was aware then i believe you were at the county when meetings went on for twelve hours once a week for about three months on the towers on  lookout mountain and the effects of our fe and there was no concurrence from anyone on those issues and they debated it for quite some time i think it's a serious concern to a number of members of our community and i don't want to rush into something like that thank you so i'm getting a sense that there's definitely a need for more information and that folks don't want to tackle it on the th so potentially we could still have the presentation come out on the  th which would be on lakewood speaks and we could postpone second reading till february th which would then provide the opportunity for the full presentation for public comment for all the members on council to reach out who whoever they'd like to to have questions presented and then at that point if council doesn't feel comfortable passing that on second reading on the th then we have that opportunity what i do here is which we see a lot of times with the federal government which is unfortunate but we also hear that these are actually more prescriptive than what we have now going forward and so there could be better benefits to the community with the passage of this right now we don't have that benefit so there is some urgency and so if council would suffice to this to february th for second and final reading with the presentation and the opportunity now to have over a month to try to get information if that would be acceptable okay so i do not know if mister feldman is available on the t so we will have his presentation available on the th and we will at this point i think the best thing we can do is encourage or try to see if he is available on the but we have to have some actual item tonight because we're posting for the second hearing and so we could change it on the th if he's not available i mean not move it back to the th but we would know by the th which is our next regular meeting if we need to then extend second reading from the th counselor so at first reading tonight and normally would be scheduling this for second reading it's unusual to deal with first reading scheduling normally you have this event and you pick your public hearing date and off you and have the second reading set or or or pass tonight on first reading with with the tiger as the as the second reading date it doesn't have to be that the following meeting obviously there are benefits to having dealt with it sooner but if you want to do pass the matter on first reading instead this the second reading date for the th that would be probably the easiest way to get it on that day i misspoke i'm sorry does counsel follow that so the way i was describing it was moving second reading all the sudden to the t we still need to extend first reading which would be extended to the th that setting the public hearing for february th well do you think the alternative could be to pass it on first reading tonight but changed the date of the of the second reading to the th which is sure aim action that would have been taken on the consent agenda it's just the date of second reading is two weeks later and if there is an extension that's needed upon second reading on the th that can still take place  we would accept this on first reading which doesn't mean we approve anything which doesn't mean it changes those other processes but then it would be that's probably the cleanest action forward thank you i just want to kind of add that when mister feldman is giving a presentation if if it can be it does it include a like basic education and then also just so that it's really clear for all of us and for the community whether these changes are making it easier or harder for the towers to come in and what those changes specifically springsteen well i i was just wondering again about whether we could have a study session on this issue i mean if it goes to second reading i guess i don't really understand what what that means and can we have a study session along the way so certainly the council's prerogative as you know we have a pretty packed agenda going forward so we'll have to look at what other things we would need to move the idea with postponing would be giving cal a month and the community a month with another opportunity on the th because this wouldn't be on the agenda on the th for public comment to then have the presentation and have all of our questions provided to mister fellman sooner than the tenth and the tenth we can address all those and if those are addressed then if it's council's prerogative to move forward with a vote that would be yes if not then we wouldn't but um as you know our agendas are pretty packed going forward and we have a retreat coming up so it's it's councils prerogative i think you would like to have an opportunity to have more information and i think this monthly way gives us that opportunity to come back and have that discussion on the th and then if and if that's not enough information for council on the th then that would be a no but i am hearing there are some things out are timely that can benefit the city as well just i would push for a study session on on this issue because i think just a presentation is not going to be enough information and not enough opportunity for for the public question page for the community to weigh in on that for weeks in advance of the th is that is that accurate that'll be it posts on the th and so lakewood speaks is the opportunity yes because i think we had talked at a meeting to that as counselors we were going to go out to lakewood speaks and read those comments and then bring them back saying we had fifty for thirty against those people would acknowledged rather than having to have them come to the meeting i think also too if we do this this gives at least i'll speak forward to will have probably eight to ten meetings in between that time which i feel then it'll be  responsibility to go back to our constituents and say go out there write to us or come to the meeting and that'll give us plenty of time to ask questions to m pleasure so am i supposed to make a motion all right we can i just want to get a feel for what you're comfortable with and then we can guide you on that motion if or if you already know what you'd like okay  well i just i don't know i feel like this whole thing has moved very fast and there's a lot of ambiguity to it and so moving on to where we would actually be taking a vote on the th it just feels premature to me and i i would love to see a study session on this issue i think it's a big issue that affects a lot of people and i'm still not hearing how the applications for sites why why we have to keep processing them unless and i heard something about a shot clock but that's i'm understanding something that fcc forces but but has done only sporadically so i i'm not really understanding i i just think from a councilors perspective we need to understand why this is something on our agenda suddenly and why it has to be passed immediately and so i i just think we need a little more information leading up to that but at this point you know i i think that that's my idea is to have a study session on the issue so then just for clarification when did this appear so we have quite a ramp up as far as our our schedule goes that misess mallard sends out so i don't think it just appeared are you asking when this agenda was published you know ten days ago okay and then prior with the how long has this been on in the queue on the queue we get a weekly update that has the different like this in  several months i don't know exactly when when we decided which media it would be on but i would say several months harrison just a clarification to councilor springsteen i think the presentation potentially may be able to yield what you're hoping for would still be able to have public comment  those people that have a strong opinion would be able to do that we as counselors would still be able to ask questions even if we did a workshop that give and take i think you're looking for from from the the people that are presenting and us probably is a little bit more stilted i don't think that i think maybe what you're thinking about is maybe a roundtable discussion where everybody asks lots of questions and right now we don't have that in our arsenal a workshop or the presentation will still give the public the right to be able to come and testify we would still have the right to ask those questions so i think to be able to get the information out there i think this will still do what you want to do  and then with a long lead in time that will also give and i to encourage all of us and me to to try to understand what g is and how it works and why it's good and why it's bad ahead of time so that we're ready with  with that night's presentation so i think it's still going to do what you want to do because it affords itself really an extra public hearing or an extra public comment session on the th that it wouldn't have afforded itself so there will now essentially be then there's an opportunity for continu so but again it's it's up to you if you want to make a motion for a study session and i just want to get the clarifying motion because we had this posted so what that would look like or if we want to do it to us then we would just if not that i'd ask counselor able just to make a motion that would take this to second reading on the second or on the february th with all those other things in place i guess i would make a motion for a study session on this issue okay so one second what would what would we need for because this is posted but what a legal motion need to be well i think since the action contemplated tonight was the passage on first reading if you were to do the delayed second reading that we've talked about that would be a simple motion of correct that was on second reading with the new date of  available or are we looking to postpone indefinitely until we can find a date obviously that's problematic but if we were to know what date that would happen then it would be to continue first reading perhaps until a date while you look there's still some folks on my board so councillor franks then councillor gutwein i guess i'm just trying to clarify i don't know how we we don't lose any avenue forward by sticking with a schedule that puts us on the th if we're not comfortable then we pull it and do anything my preference is that we we get the extended we get the presentation on the th on the th public comment can come on the th we of that additional information you to biddy there's plenty of places to get education we come to the th we're not comfortable we still have that avenue to pull it that's what i'm gonna be supporting is i just think it's the cleanest way to move forward and that's the direction i'd like to go one i agree with councillor frank's and i think we we do also have to be mindful of the large number of other issues just for example the metro districts is one that has been very important to our community for a very long time and that will be a big issue and maybe i'm a square but i feel a little less comfortable about being out of compliance with  federal and state law so i would like to make sure we continue to move forward through this process libero i also wanted to concur with councillor frank's and just mention that still on the th we still have the opportunity to say then hey we don't have enough information or wasn't prevalent enough to the issues and let's have a study session now so i think we still have that option just perhaps so we don't have to go to any further i agree with councillor frank's so it sounds almost like we have the votes to go ahead and continue with first and second so i certainly want to be sensitive to the concerns and i  think that this is a nice roadmap forward if you if you that's okay and we'll just see there'll be a learning lesson for all of us but i think the key that's gonna be really important is to get those folks who are concerned life i don't think so except that i was going to suggest just because of what's been published tonight that when you say we passed this on first reading with second reading to be held on february th as you said and not on january th as identified in the february th second all right so we have a motion in a second any more discussion please cast your votes all right that passes ten eyes one nay councillor springsteen thank you all for that discussion and the sensitivities to the issue in the community okay well the clerk please read item o okay we're to general business and there was a council city council item agenda request from councillor harrison that wants to get all kinds of people fired up so at it this is too much fun music actually and when i sent this in i well we won't go there i had received a couple of emails about our goose problem in the city of lakewood indicating that they're delightful sometimes but they are really a messy animal and suggested that the city of lake would consider some sort of a remediation program similar to what denver has now i know that that's gonna bring another night where we're here until two o'clock in the morning so i'm not sure that i really want to do that but i wanted the constituent that asked me to bring it forward i'm bringing it forward and we can talk about if that's something that council would like to even consider we all do more research but i wanted to see if we even had a  question is do we already have some sort of remediation program some sort of program to help mitigate geese issues because if if we do then good maybe we should just get an overview of what that is and what that looks like if we don't then you know i'm certainly oh you know okay with opening the door to looking at what we could do differently to help with you know the geese issue i will say first and foremost i don't support capturing and euthaniz g geese and i would also add just quickly that denver has a very extensive program and what got press was the euthanization but they've had an extensive program for years they all three zero geese eggs a year that keeps them from turning into geese that kill essentially kills the eggs they've done it they have a whole twenty six page document on their website about how they have their giesemann goose management program and they do all sorts of stuff they drive golf carts around scaring them they use laser lights they make noises they grow the grass around ponds so that way they don't want to go they don't want to stay there because it's hard for them to get into the water and out of the water so there's a whole host of things that hopefully we're already doing some of those things and that might help ease some of the constituents because i know i've heard that issue as well but i just kind of want to preface it with that and maybe even get some more information that'd be my first  i think more information is exactly what i'd like to do at this point especially seeing some of the facial expressions that i said you know around the room here so i'm i'll take this as my homework assignment and we're not going to be issuing they had looked at maybe bringing this up as a council issue so that could also be a resource would that mean that we no longer get to look at the little cardboard cutouts of coyotes you know whatever you decide charlie i think the idea maybe is get more information particularly i'd like to know what our parks department is doing on this what if they feel they need any council action or if they've got enough tools on their own to you know push forward i don't know so i think we need to know that before we wade in thank you for that so just some more information and we can continue that conversation i think some up here i know counsel able to remember but we did used to oil the a and i did some different remediation which got some folks very upset about that as well so we'll just keep with our cardboard coyotes for a while and till we learn more cool all right and thank you so i had mentioned last week a request for consensus to sign a letter to the actually would go to secretary of state  sent along information for refugee resettlement in lakewood the international rescue committee is actually headquartered here in lakewood you saw in the information just for the folks in the audience refugees in the city of lakewood over the past two fiscal years has been nineteen individuals their countries of origin thirty one percent from belarus fifty percent the democratic republic of congo five percent from uganda five percent from zambia so when they do come in this program has been reduced quite a bit when they do come to lakewood oftentimes from what we've learned they a lot of them go to aurora because they come to colorado they have family here and a lot of the the family is via consensus of the mayor and city council consent to initial refugee resettlement in lakewood colorado as per terms of the executive order so there's nothing different that has gone on prior or asking it's just  new layer our county commissioners have given permission as well as i well we're age is taking it up tonight arvada has accepted it golden has accepted it who am i missing i don't know about edgewater and then of course the state of colorado the city and county of denver douglas county a lot of other communities so they ask is just consensus i know there were folks that wanted some more information we can certainly get that and the irc again is headquartered here so if you want to have a tour and better understand what they're doing our faith based community is very active with helping the refugees as well and they have a lot of volunteer opportunities so with that i would ask for your consensus to s okay so i have consensus and i'll sign that on behalf of council and the city of lakewood thank you all very much that's it for general business council reports i in light of the fact that it's i am not going to saturday of the month is for february going to be at the same exact time as our council planning retreat so we would like to invite all ward five residents to come and join us at our planning retreat so that you can all right we'll adjourn thank you to our police agent for keeping us safe tonight for everybody coming out