the world politics i'm your host goal for bush threatens iran for their murderous activities that made the headlines yesterday the saber rattling aimed at iran has clearly intensified we have a new villain iran who's leading america to strike iran how can they possibly succeed with such a connivance well my guest tonight actually a connivance to march americans and to another war blunder yes i believe so all the indications point that in that direction you know you point a finger at near crimes  are they really beating the tom toms for america to get involved with iran absolutely let's let's prosumer this so called propaganda can you give us some examples of what is being put across this property and yes i think a lot of it is coming right out of the pentagon and these neo cons are a large part of the bush administration the first item on the agenda is that just like iraq iran is is a new killer danger it's threatens the security of the world community by have been in a nuclear weapons program the second thing is that their leader is crazy just like iraq and saddam is that is a terrible person and and then the third is that the iranian government is helping the area isn't there credibility to that no the premise was very thin to begin with and then later on they found the factory that was making these devices in the borders of iraq well it's interesting too that we're blaming iran where the  king in the conflict and now walked around no iraqi really no foreign fighters are a very small part of the issue when you have a country in which ninety percent of the people are against the u welcome that necessarily with open arms let's talk about the nuclear issue which is so much press i mean there are a nuclear threat israel calls them an exorcist threat because if they have the they can destroy israel right is their credibility to that claim now and one of the things that really disturbs me is that the press insists and this is the television to broadcast media and sisson say calling it iran's nuclear program well around is a signatory to the anti pull proliferation treaty and as such are given the right to develop nuclear technology for peaceful means and that's nucular power is what they're after so what you are what you iran is not violating the nuclear nonproliferation treaty no we are however you know may actually absolutely yes by building a new generation of nukes we are and we can get into this later the iran is surrounded by nuclear power pakistan india israel they're in a nuclear neighborhood they're certainly no reason to doubt that they may want a new but there's can see why the iran's maybe feeling threatened maybe they do sound stubborn and belligerent but they're in a very difficult situation iran isn't being isn't threatening us we're threatening iran they don't have to promise not to sell their technology and there are certain responsibilities and regulations that going to go along with being a signatory and they are outside that they are a loose cannon so israel gets a interesting isn't there any justification for maybe a post oil industrialization you know wouldn't justify really going nuclear well a lot of people argue why does iran who sits on the second  world's second largest supply of oil want to have nucular energy well if they want to export their oil for revenue they want to boost their economy with their oil they don't want to burn it to provide energy in the country wiped off the face wiped off the map that was a deliberate mistranslation of what he said he wants the zionist regime in israel to end and you could see how most any arab living in that neighborhood what the hell were you there not with the program you know it's as i said before bill they're using the same game plan that misled us into the disaster in iraq that put us on the wrong side of justice and peace in the entire globe they're using that same playbill to try and drag us into we ran or you know i want to i want to clear a part of you know you've already pointed her finger at the your  yes and there's an odd coalition of evangelicals of zionists of the people they used to call the crazies in the basement some of them were liberals some of them  social conservatives but they didn't think in the late seventy's that america should start making friends with the rest of the world they believe in a military american dominance of the globe and these are the people that hang out at the american enterprise institute right the council for foreign relations the right to be there promoted by the weekly standard bill kristol this crowd really some of them are members of the press some of them are have a lot of power to control the richard cheney rumsfeld there are over thirty members of this of the project for the new american century that is the defense industries think tank it's funded by the defense industry and they put together a document called rebuilding america's defenses it works less commissioned by cheney and rumsfeld just before the two thousand election so there's this has a lot of cross currents of groups but there is a strong kind of poor israel contingent there that's well israel this isn't about israel entirely this is about american dominance israel has a particular role to play it it is our way of projecting power has been traditionally in the middle east and they have their own fish to fry they have they would like an israel that stretches to the euphrates you know what is the rational and that is these people want to eat the globe they're serious they're serious and they're crazy as a bed back and they are you know well we certainly seen examples of afghanistan and iraq and the  i ran on top of the smoldering conflagration that we already have going and indeed deserve to be called crazy or the board well yes i mean to think that you're going to march into someone else's country and be greeted with flowers and that they're going to hand over their oil and not not say anything is is lunacy and to make an end to do this and make no plans for anything that might happen after you  when they head out of excuse my language you hear the president who's rather a noted for thinking beyond his nose and he's about to do it again with well he's not alone none of them do and they're not thinking ahead if as they drag us into a strike in iran they're not thinking ahead at all about what the possibilities are i want to say one more thing about the rebuilding america's defenses it is a paradigm shift in how we view nucular weapons in this country and it is a departure from our responsibilities as a member of the non pros proliferation group you think that we have an example here of what's been feel forward that the situation is so bad  nwinnable in iraq that go ahead and escalate the front escalate the violence only atrocity well that's certainly a part of that but these plans have been laid out a long time ago and again this rebuilding america's defenses the first step in controlling the world is to pile on the middle east and control of a minute of the energy resources there and that's what this is about this is part of a war for global dominance starting in the middle east  looking at the rest of their fellow human beings as lab rats in a social and military experiment no one counts except what you know he did communities are not going to keep you from the repercussions of something as big staggering as going into iran but i don't think they're even thinking about the gated communities they're thinking about themselves let's let's talk you know about going to let's talk about an attack on  examine it closely up what would be portend by going against iran well iran is is not iraq it's not a nation that was weakened by ten years of sanctions and it's not a nation that was weakened by decades of war it's at least four times the size physically of iraq and we can't even pin down baghdad with one hundred fifty thousand troops messianic they have their twelve prophecies we'll see the end of the world and well you bomb iran and what's going to happen well we have one hundred fifty thousand hostages in iraq and iran is shiite nation just like iraq is now that we've made some changes there and they can enlist the shiite militias that have stood down during this quote rebuilding process about the bottle the bottle or army absolutely yes and and then they can shut down the middle east oil supply they could shut down the straits of hormuz they can easily reach almost all the major refining and storage facilities in the middle east we just wouldn't have enough manpower to put up a credible defense at all the chill points of all the places we would have to be to lock down the globe i don't know if there's enough manpower you know even if they instituted draft to do that you have no one on your side in this enterprise maybe the brits a little bit and the zionists a little bit that they're not going to be able to and what's the purpose of the exercise well we're building up all these military bases right along their borders we're thinking about or planning to put a new set of missiles which will be aimed in that direction along the edge of eastern europe the missile shield right and while we're on the subject i think it's i believe that the neo cons are planning to use nukes in iran some of the facilities they're talking about  underground they have set the stage to use nukes they have changed the status of nucular weapons as a from a weapons weapon of last resort to a weapon of first resort to a battlefield offensive weapon they've gotten congress to go along with approving a new set of tactical nukes and allowing them to be used in the battlefield you know i don't think the public yes the only way to take on oriana is some sort of massive airstrike in there probably aren't enough conventional bombs to really get them about hard i've heard one figure of ten thousand targets ha identified in iran if they're going to do that kind of bombing they're going to vaporize the country so is the rest of the countries and on the perimeter there they're just going to stand down and watch us do this what do you think they're going to do well you know  yes they are well we don't need to go into that now but they are used to get their oil from iran but yes they are and there's been noises being made about russia and china putting together some kind of military alliance so that's that's interesting we're going to have to consensus as we have to do a massive air strike might even be nuclear in nature i think almost certainly i think they will if they've if they strike they're going to use nuclear weapons but within this is there is an assumption here that iran won't punch back yes and that was what they assumed in iraq and they assumed in afghanistan there wouldn't be grocery store it's another thing to not think of consequences when you mobilize armies and people die not to mention the trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars that are going to be piled up on top of  trillions of dollars someday that debt will have to be dealt with but not by this generation or the next or the next it's impossible but let's talk a little bit about some of the further consequences of this tomfoolery actually that's even too tame a word start changing from holding us currency and they can dump it on the market driving our dollar down to be almost worthless the oil crunch if middle east oil shuts down refineries that's easy enough to do that can swarm the area because after all there was forty million arabian europe will be affected everybody will be affected so this puts the project for the new american century the new york  bluster and tomfoolery of perspective it's just going to work even if it would work it's unconscionable well a lot of people are going to die paul craig roberts wrote in the article recently countries we've talked about china and russia but there's syria there's jordan there's pakistan which is teetering do you see any on tour with developments there well  es absolutely syria is israel want syria they want a corridor to now occupied iraq and they've already stolen part of it so i guess they they want the rest of it  nuclear exchange deal one way exchange well we don't know that it's going to be a one way exchange how threatened is russia going to feel how threatened is pakistan going to feel and i just remembered the other thing  asked about pakistan yes we start this teetering on the brink it looks like he's going to enter into some kind of power sharing arrangement and there are plans by the us to try and seize their nucular arsenal if his government should collapse the ground i think a lot you polarize the place with a massive nuclear strike yes we've already committed one more crime the extent of this war crime will be much greater i can't see the rest of the world tolerating what we're doing and the rest of the world can say no we're not the only nucular nation on the planet i can't see the united states populace being so well informed not delving into this that really threatens their daily life you are going to go shopping normally the day after we get around just will be a walk down in this country what what can we do to stop an insanity well the most immediate thing we need to do is begin impeachment proceedings immediately we have to remove these people from office long term we have to dismantle the infrastructure that supports them the military industrial complex big oil we have to rein these people in and get them under our control that's going to be a global effort meanwhile i think that we need to do everything we can to throw sand in the machinery or for don't support any people in congress that support this war we we have such a cowardly congress absolutely it's incredible there's got to be some sort of awakening or they're just going to go down in history as the right in the northern hemisphere absolutely absolutely and americans have are not apathetic they've never been so mobilized but if you remember bill i said i said that the t n a see think tank was also members of the press and is israel is pushing this war they have a lot of influence on the press so american people are not being told the truth about what a strike on iran could mean they're not being told the truth about whether or not iran poses a threat i can't see that it same cooler or bunch or in that they know it would be suicidal to do it and absolutely what about nonproliferation for the region is that even option that could be on the table well i would like to see the whole planet be nucular non non nucular zone there was the original plan for the middle east but the genie is out of the bag i don't know how we're going to do that i think that israel needs to be brought under control they need to be a signatory to the nonproliferation treaty or they need to dismantle their nukes i think that at this point in time americans need to resist in any way they can being dragged into another war it's going to be a disaster we you know we could save a lot of money thirty billion resoldered israel for armaments and twenty two all other fifty or so to the surrounding neighbors to put everybody at so called parity it's just him saying let's do nonproliferation in the region and i agree with you let's take the moves the nuclear power away from israel these are weapons that are far more powerful then then human beings have the wisdom to deal with their weapons that shouldn't  industrial yes is there any hope for the end of world well you know putting sanity back in our government well we have to get rid of the people that are part of this machine we have to get rid of the bush administration and we have to get rid of the corporate interests the financial interests that support it you know we're just about out of time if there's anything you would like to rock with please do so because this is a really important topic and need to be aware that they can't sit at home and not be concerned right we're in a very dangerous situation i'm reading lines now in newspaper articles of the future of humanity is it's take don't think these people aren't crazy enough to try and fail forward and march into iraq and not look at the consequences don't think these people won't even think about us and put it in there putting a target on every one of our backs and don't think that they're going to care about that they don't these people are crazy enough to do anything we're at a crossroads people need to mobilize and we need to stop this right now impeachment is the fastest way carol i'm with you i'm going to watch the developments with regards to iran i'm not going to let them snicker me i hope i can do something i can you know write to my congressman for impeachment i'm for sanity i'm for the good america that we can have we need we need to write our congressmen we need to sit in their offices until they promise not to send another dime over to the pentagon to fight illegal war and we need to get a good some nuclear sanity i mean absolutely to be doing nukes the whole world is going to be doing it is it will be the end of humanity it's the north korea lesson have hoops that you're left alone i want to thank you very much