thousand and ten spector books and it's good that we have we have the fact that he's done a great deal of writing in his career and he'll be known to many and he's seen in the writings about him as the godfather of the album guard cinema development and that's really a very true accolade for him and he's also the founder co founder of the anthology film archive a major archive a particular archive down at nd street and nd avenue a major institution known to all in new york city it's a pleasure an honor to welcome to the program sir welcome very much a conversation my pleasure to be given your program well let's others that's true absolute true and very democratic and inclusive of everyone and a major figure i couldn't agree with you more i think we might have some programming we did programming with george stoney he was very instrumental in getting this place or take the man at neighbor network up and running some years ago twenty years ago or so and he was a major figure as a filmmaker he made us we went to  care and the attention to the director on an ad filmic attention if you put those films they were really really well done yeah it was a beautiful man who died just recently said say and thank you for that tribute i agree with would do some programming with him in the weeks program for conversations in terms of that but i wonder as to yourself so i read a great deal of your work and you were you were born maybe you could start where you were born and raised a little bit yeah then i wouldn't be here i wouldn't be  of experience and the childlike thing there's something about the five year olds six year old of the people did that age that have an appreciation of things that could be seen as a statically  accepted but do so thinking of behaving you know slowly yes do you think that do you think there are very many high percentage of the population this is say of the united states to do have a t leaders of the artistic expression in this city and this world did you not you had a wide wide wide circle of friends many of whom are included in the overall of the unfallen gee you have an incredible collection of  come to be known to the mass population because they're saying things in there ahead of their time or for whatever reason but some of our growth and their talent mass do you understand what i'm saying they're watching good shit goes dollywood or something and then you don't have the mass market that you can get with hollywood fare you know there are some aspects of d human activity that really never would be intruded should not be and cannot be for oh because we are canon like responsible for the status quo that would reveal in politics or any other kind of a situation when something new comes along and he could not get anything he could not is like fine he couldn't he know he could not so who's in myself and four i don't lot of people who are smarter or in our bankcard are interested in all that and i've had to preserve having a great number of friends and that and people that are intellectuals or whatever but i think he is probably more recognized by more people of substance in that yes i think anybody else here or anybody else in the modern world and yet he any ought to be repaired too by the leadership and he has political implications as well as the organization of society with his design science concepts and why is that we don't listen to our oblong guard leaders we listen to the political leaders and call them our leaders too much of the time in terms of the operation as a plan is there a immediately understood the sceptical and has influence let's talk a little bit to the collection of the anthology it's very vast in terms of philip and that and what getting that right up to date because there's so many things going exponentially able in the cyber world of new capabilities is the emerging it makes it easier more efficient and you want to take advantage of the  who have more practical and by you know try to make it to big yeah yeah right right that's going to good luck well that's right that's that's a that's a metaphor for the human society in a way because a lot of the things are you notice how so much of the  advantages of all the capability technological or corporate capability the benefits of that go so mr bernie sanders is informing us the major profit from all of what's going on all goes to the upper one percent of the population they're becoming overwhelmingly better than rome in terms of having a small group of people that are overwhelmingly wealthy at the expense of the masses of the people that can be a into the present and even into our projections of the future do you think we live in a time of others or ontological jame not necessarily ending we've inherited a lot of institutions architectural thought patterns every kind of institutional structures out of historical periods that is perhaps being qualitatively transformed in a unique kind of way at this particular time or is it just another phase of history that we're going through  like the french revolution or something like that that we can add or is it a time of perhaps qualitative transformation that is been heralded by our bodyguard films or something but is now coming to be into this time that we were technology i wanted are going to ask you have a philosophical question perhaps or not i don't know is one that i think about often probably i shouldn't but are you are you optimistic or pessimistic if you want to divide it down into dialectic thanks to do it for coming in for great pleasure your pleasure thank you we're coming back again tomorrow thank you very much we just got a guard we just got started ok so is that now we've put a stop to it create political instability that might lead to what's really worries me it's sort of it is the right thing the thing that really limit it is thing that really bothers me a possibility is for some crazy kind of thing that doesn't make any sense the weapons of destruction i don't suppose any point you would want to bring in on that talking to him ok i just thought i'd ask but let's be in touch ok