raised in seattle right and that's something that is amazing and you talk about you know growing up and you had some very you know some and really some really challenging things that you had to go through every action they did was in support of action that was being done by nonmilitant people on the street people who are on strike for instance as in the prison the people on strike gets  money from a bank so i wouldn't have been given any more money they make their own money the brigade is made up of men and women gays and straights whites blacks and americans seattle to do this work he came but he was a coke head and no good when the time came i had to step in and take his place i knew the whole team was good when he brought him out of the hospital to take him back to the general i told the girl i'm taking your prisoner he looks like he's going for his gun so i shot him but the prisoner got away i got away a couple days later i was picked up by the police  thirty years in solitary famine and so they wanted to figure out some kind of way they could employ people outside you know to get things going well and i got involved and help them with the do this hunger strike throughout the prison and try to get some attention to change things so so we did this newsletter for  what was the model maybe it was for the other newspaper there was one model called working to expand to extend democracy to all was that for the rock or the other newspaper it was initially for the rock ok and we carried it on with the  and it happened they did murders and stuff just stopped in these prisons it was shaq the prison administration they thought they did it some kind of way but eventually i mean they had  several congress track that they did and they cut it off because they had people outside saying we're getting a little action and they're kind of being sold out so they start up another when the final hunger strike they did  think it was thirty thousand prisoners went on work strikes and hunger strikes and these prison numbers counted by the prison ministration by inmates ok the way they did it if you miss i think it was a three meals or something like that people a community in seattle helped us with this we had mailing parties and fundraising parties i inherited kind of a huge amount of money about sixty thousand dollars i spent on these  and so it's evolved now into this thing where the prisoners are trying to be heard in one of our slogans we call it at the bottom of every news letter to munich a sion is a human right it was a constitution we like to see that the first amendment of the constitution covers that but it does not preserve don't have the same rights that regular citizens of the ca speak to the right people it's rare for the media to get into prison during a strike to say what's going on on the east coast recently they had all these floods those these close it's covered with prisons they haven't mentioned a word about engine here are the prisoners if they get the right to vote it's not going to injure anybody else and very likely it's going to start a third party and it might be a divided party will be a third party where they can get that expressed what they want pick the people they had two major issues that were uncovered the right to vote and the right to work for wages and had a lot to do with these financial obligations oppressed on them they can't get it can't be paid while they're in prison and they're working and when they get out they can't get a job because there are prisoners there that are left to be hired right and mass incarceration happened let me so let me ask you the black prisoner for here in washington state want to form a similar group they were writing letters to us and so i had written a letter to produce when i got to get closer to his family in seattle and he went to monroe he was at one writing me about this i was hired by the king county bar association to sit on that did you decide screening committee and on that i'm getting things mixed up here that's ok ok i was hired by another group ok i'll get to th later on but i was hired by the criminal justice plan they were giving funding grants to organizations who can could not get grants from other people one of the people of people applying for the grants with the black thousand dollars from the group that i continue to work there when i was talking about the king county bar associations you just which meaning committee every judge in king appellate judges get ratings from this committee now when i was paroled from monroe there's three people on the board one of them did not want me paroled i don't have to say what her name is the other two said cool but anyway two out of three got me out so her name comes up before this committee because most left because you know she's the one who didn't want me to get out of that list and i'd be a little biased they said all right the judge i mean the prosecutor who could ask for it today senses for me when i got out he took me out there really any give me a card i still got it he told the state's witness was a client of them attorney who represented me it was sleeping with yeah i found out national prison strike these were prisoners who want to do things for themselves the front organization inside the prison a prison and it spread nationally to at least seventeen different prison seventeen different states  not only did other states pick it up but the canadian prisoners picked it up did the prisoners in the detention centers picked it up and they were all doing the strike at the same time in the squints the only prison guards strike other prison we just told chose these two states oregon and washington stu's me or going to washington but there were other prisoners and other people on the streets were very supportive of what they're trying to do and this is the third attempt mostly glad it was another project that we were doing something that the government would not do right and that's the real purpose of the path is across the united states back in the sixty's seventy's and some  bottom communication is a human right and so it's not just the newspaper was something that that was really needed in the prisons for people to express themselves and be able to communicate with them so as to be understood worldwide all prisoners had to have a right to communicate communication is a human right it covers everybody who it's a shame that you know one of the things we first lost when they true one of the things also free all political prisoners was i was ok i got to take that seriously i mean when the shot went out early before i went to prison did our job as the only one who was convicted and it was about six of us who actually did that good thing ok i think we're just in in in rap you know in closing what would you like to leave with the our prison systems and again prisoners have a right to speak up and go on prison strikes labor strikes to emphasize that they do not want to be slaves they want to be able to pay for these fine if they can oppress that's why they want to be paid for the work they do so they can pay those fines otherwise they're caught up in this mass incarceration and the republican door is going to grow bigger and bigger in state of washington