hey everybody and sarah can tell eric and tell talking jazz and i got to incredible guests on today and you know we've gone back so many years together and i can't wait to hear about their story and not only the beautiful thing you know and you know i know we've gone back so many years you know just not only you know youth with the like you know we were just talking to about how the music you know we all have to help each other out because the jazz community is such a small community as it is and you of all people have been doing so much with the music over the years and have been spreading you know the music to more people in the philadelphia area and beyond well you know i've got to say this though is with a lot of people like you so and with jay my  is to keep more musicians working you know it's just so important you know there are so many things that happen that people have conferences and talks and meetings bottom run the musicians still  something you know we work with it so it's you know and that's a beautiful situation when you can do that because you know it's complimentary for open for all concerned because you're really spreading the love of jazz to a wider audience and it's all about education right you of a big educator michael's a big educator on this program and i think it really we always talk about it here it all boils down to the education like educating the public on this wonderful music you know that is still blossoming i mean well never ending you know i no man crazy you know and you have those moments when you're like wow you know you can't believe you just did that and that's where that whole thing comes from like you don't know it comes from where well that's the whole thing and i always think it's that inner fire that we have and that you know that's what i'm going to talk about we're like when did you start like when did you have that passion for jazz like this is what i want to do well i had the passion before i knew i wanted to do it because i was raised by my aunt and s cards and you know drinking beer on bottles right i think in the bottle you know but so i heard it from an early age i always heard it but i never thought i'd be playing it came along me playing it when i was twenty five years old which was considered late and i we had to say that his bass player upright bass and did you ever play any other instruments just i always used to mess with a piano and i wouldn't concern with a piano but i didn't think i would do it so it was after a life of craziness in the streets and you know just dealing with some wild situation is that i met someone who pretty much challenged me don't want to play that and fortunately i let that challenge for pel me into pursuing it and the first time i touched the same bass that i have now the very same bass first time i i knew it was done wow this was my life wow but still even then i didn't think i'd do it as a profession of the maybe it might be a little hobby or something but it was beautiful isn't that it was a ni know and when you first heard jazz know when was withheld revenge maybe about oh when i first heard it i was probably like ten you know here and you know again the people that my heart was playing  maybe nine or ten years old you know it's up to you yes it is and that i find that with a lot of jazz musicians that around that age timeframe is when they find and discover jazz and i think that's when we're formulating our brains are formulating in the things of like who we want to be what we want to be to life you know and i thought i have less strong believer in things happen for a reason oh you know that music spoke to you right but you know i always love music period i mean but jazz had some i also remember a guy who was seeing in one of my cousins older so to speak and he brought up by his john coltrane album he put friend michael harrison here j michael harrison and again you know being in the business like you when did you discover jazz now you are you have you played music before to not yet not yet not yet there you go you're still you're still an infant when it person and i think before the age of ten i'm talking five six seven years old wow just the power of music itself not necessarily jazz per se but the very first is affected by that that she told my mother wow take that record home for him so i got for family so that's like that's how i acquired my first recording but you know it was around that time and you know music was in the late sixty's early seventy's you were having a lot of cross fertilization you know you are having miles experimenting with different things and you know you have woodstock going horn sections so music was really heading in different places and i was just sucking all of the burst and yeah yeah yeahs when did you make the jump into being hey i want to you know i want to be on radio well you know i always tell folks that that was out of frustration in all sincerity because the music that i was hearing at a certain point i was not hearing it on ready just that i wanted to hear it and you know in life again opportunities whether it was warren walking into that store and say you know i like the bass and having someone challenging you and you following up on that she didn't want to store and oh yeah you know but  me it was throughout my life i've had a teacher tell me you have a really nice speaking voice and asking me to recite poetry in front of the student body which i turned down not hearing the music that i wanted to hear you took the roach in ukraine will say something approaching a regular station in asking for an opportunity to present the music that i wanted to present and that's how i got and you made it happen and you know sometimes you would find your destiny y totally and with that inspiration from others around you know and you know what a great story i mean what about those people that loved you that much that knew that saw something greater in you right you're on your at you know just to see something you that they knew i think instinctively that you were on to greater things when you when you recognize that passion and so yeah if you can pinpoint that passion there's a way to support that and help them develop it same thing with me i found dave brubeck when i was fourteen i was going through my parents record collection looking at a lot of different things only child we didn't have much i had like a piano that was almost in tune but we at least we had a piano and so i would some people confuse the two or put them together yeah all spiritual music is not necessarily gospel and unfortunately i guess you say all gospel music isn't really that spiritual right but to me blair and it always something about his music just always touch me oh yeah i mean i think the emotional aspect of jazz is something that people haven't even really hit the tip of the iceberg on because it's such an individual art form and you're tapping into so many different emotions on your instrument and that's the only jazz is really the only art form that you have that freedom of expression right they used to have in classical but it all  all written out then all those cadenzas which were improvisations and they became written out and now it was became you know strict written form but what we're doing is we're coming up with things that you know from another place but we had that discussion on the way up talking about playing life yeah yeah yeah never no doubt and you know just the day in day out you know ups and downs you know associated with life and being able to present that through your instrument kind of i don't know if you agree with me on this or not but i liken it to you know what what jazz musicians you know rap artists today are doing what jazz musicians were doing back in the sixty's because you were hearing the sign of the times through the music back then through the music now it's the rattle it's two words but i think through improvisation right they were your kind of hearing what was going on at the time you know it doesn't make sense a lot of a big connection between i mean of course rap is a lot of negative press because of some of the negative things that i mean in reality do happen with oh yeah but you had some like to me like  go and mc he's also a rapper and you know currently with steve coleman five elements one of the members is actually a rapper koch i is one of the members of that band now you have those collaborative so there's definitely parallels and speaking of improvisation i want to play just a little bit of a clip from this tune that we were just talking about you want to set it up and yeah sure well this is a young lady from japan who's now living in violin i met her at university of the arts we'd done a concert there and the university of the arts ensemble opened up for us and that's when i first heard her name was rachel khuda and and i heard him play the piano so anyway this particular clip was taken in that place called relish i used to do the wednesday night jam sessions there and she was part of the base band the home base band her s and it's kind of a video platform similar to you tube but it's exclusive to public radio stations and n p r affiliates and we're going to be posting content from view house sessions in the future as well and there's all types of  knishes initiatives happening at the radio station we were talking a little bit earlier jazz industry day is happening in philadelphia on the thirteenth of september and michael ritchie from al university and david brown from temple university we kind of came together and evolved what was the philosophy jazz meet up into a bigger day jazz industry day so just all these to be involved that's all nine or ten groups scheduled to perform and one of the things that we have a campaign going now and that is our music now i'm calling undefeated jazz that is  where people try to say jazz is dead is dying is to carry it's over it's old is this and that and i refuse to accept that it's not true and to me surface of the peak of what we could do is jazz music or how to explore the music the way to interpret the music so this is something why the show is so important is because we want people to realize that this isn't in really really incredible and important music and you know i'm so glad that you guys are here and being part of it and i know all of our that our viewers can find you guys on web site and you have a lifeline music coalition yeah