thank you so much for joining us the news websites are present planet dot com and infowars dot com because there's a war on for your mind and we are fighting the construction of a prison planet now you know just a few weeks ago it was in a few mainstream outlets but not many because the dinosaur media that's imploding new numbers out c n n ratings plunging even faster nielsen giving them an image n b c fake numbers so even their low numbers are fake they're legends in their own mind their emperor's new clothes their oaks and they know that now they are a hoax and that's why now mainstream media dinosaur media establishment media those that call those of us the question known liars conspiracy terrorists they are now circling the wagon supporting cyber security but even seen that news as is the takeover of the free web they want to shut down their competition well that show it doesn't matter if we have three million listeners a day conservatively according to big ad agencies that right down just are an anathema fairly it's you'll never hear of the dinosaur press admit that we don't care it doesn't matter because they're dying they're imploding because they have been caught over and over again deceiving while covering up for al qaeda throwing christians off the tops of churches blowing churches up and making fathers suicide bombs or they'll kill their family this is  and corrupt we become and this lighting from inside this is a big deal exposed it and he said quote i saw first hand that these regime claims were lies and i couldn't believe c n n was making me put what i knew was government lies into my women like her and men like her that are the difference between civilization and barbarism the jungle of tyranny and letting evil take over and freedom and liberty and so she's my hero and amber lyon you join us now thank you so much for coming on today thank you alex so much for having me on i really appreciate it was one hell of an interesting way you deserve it we need to rediscover what the iraqis are tell us your story in a nutshell and witness doctors who were being tortured also journalists and so when we got back to the u s we were violently detained when we were in operating as well and the security forces thought that they'd have raced all of our video so you can imagine bahrain surprise when we got back to the u s and actually had that video we were able to get out and then went on the airwaves telling everyone that this u s ally country actually is committing horrific human rights abuses against its people and pro democracy protesters  t first i was able to get coverage on c n n and c n n international but then the phone calls started coming in a phone calls from p r companies are going for the bahrain regime p r companies based in the u s also phone calls from the regime cell constantly calling and complaining about me i walk into the newsroom and producers would tell me you know our brain called the complain about here again and that was ok but what happened as i started to notice the complaints being reflected in my reporting and that's that i was required to then put on mandatory tags that were provided by the government which were essentially just pretty much propaganda statements that i knew were false and and c n n calls that a psychological effect to hearing something repeated over and over and over that no matter how insane it is you tend to then take it as true and that's true with if you remember weapons of mass destruction that phrase let's repeat it an infinite number of times within report negatively on brain because your tax dollars are going to wreck we to empower and enable this regime not only that we've sold more than a billion dollars worth of weapons to bahrain weapons that they are using right now to systematically tear gas and suffocate their people and build their bodies with birdshot to go through the cover up of what happened yeah but what is it like to watch anderson cooper his admittedly cia it's come out the washing i'm sure you know th twelve years ago that the cia does have top generals they're literally saying what can and can't go off sheehan and that's come out from before for people that don't know you can elaborate on that if you have anything else but what's it like to watch  every level and and eventually when i was there when i was at c n n eventually it got almost impossible to get stories on a plane and then in june our documentary that twenty minutes of it was a pretty stark me saying you should investigate this this is very suspicious something's going on here and we found out that which was really i felt the fraud it is the journalists we found out that at the same time i was being detained and risking my life to expose the buffering regime c n n international is taking money from them and exchange for producing content that it airs on c n n international content disguised as news i mean one of these programs the  this down for people that don't know it's like the federal government paying all the major sitcoms all the major ones in the networks to promote obamacare anti gun messages it never ends and yes the communist chinese pressured to whitewash bahrain machine gunning and killing peaceful protesters while our media demonizes other regimes as a pretext to bomb them you're not being told that bahrain is financing other adequately aware and clearly disclosing that they're taking money and it's not just rain it's george and other regimes they're taking money from these regimes in exchange for creating what they called  workers and journalists were being tortured and imprisoned and not wasn't mentioned on this page and and i think this is really scary because the u s public is being misinformed by by such a powerful network not only that but the world because c n n international is the most you english language news station in in this area alex i know the ratings have been going down but you know you were talking time warner here they have they have a lot of power the one that's just taking this money from government in exchange for sponsored content i don't know where we lost our way journalistically in this country in this world to think that that's ok you're going to get into what you really saw  everything in the next segment coming up but what did he have you gotten since she went public to talk about that decision to leave c n n and what's happened since then well i was forced out of the union because they they shut down our domestic and best a gate and documentary unit so about sixty people were laid off and we were the most hard core segment of c n n for investigative journalism and they restructured it and we were laid off but after that i was given a severance and after i came aboard the first time about the bahrain situation my agent was called by someone representing the executives at c n n and my agent was told that if i continued to talk my severance and health insurance would would be cold so there was there was a threat there to try to get me  answer direct threat against your first amendment to others a civil issue there i think that you know they were trying to and that would have worked for many people because they want that money but at that time the second i got that phone call and really realized there was a big issue here obviously if they're trying to get me not to talk there's something they're worried about me exposing something legitimate and i felt that that was not dirty money and you know it's it was i was having trouble sleeping at night knowing that i had this information that the public needed to hear and and that really was the straw that broke the camel's back alex and then i came forward with the guardian articles pledge and continue to today well they're right back stay with us let's get into what your reports were covering the massacres that they don't want to alan and i don't want to get your take on it as i know you've talked about this the war on journalist i mean even pulitzer prize winner that we've had on so many times and his lawyer were fighting the n d a that she could arrest americans they've pointed out they're going after whistleblowers they're going after journalists who expose crimes i mean this is on president ed and instead of the media's circling the wagons against this threat against the institution of the press they're all paid off they think it's cute you know like he showed up amber joined the team pretty funny to line up some women and shoot him in bahrain what's wrong with that but you're not sleeping good at night  time for me in my career because i felt like i had a leash tightening around my neck and duct tape across my mouth because i knew these people were suffering and being gassed and and killed and tortured journalists we're talking doctors the security forces that we are supporting here in the u s and getting tax dollars to storm into the main hospital in town and tortured patients and doctors and i knew this was going on and it eventually became nearly impossible to get a story through about a plane in the network and you know i asked to return numerous times they said that they would send their are there other foreign correspondents to do it and thank you but but no  bahrain would have let me in anyway i've tried to sign up for a visa many times and they won't let me return to the country but we're giving our our tax dollars and our nation is supporting brain in part because we want that strategic naval base in be able to expose these people suffering bahrain is really one of the most pure revolutions of the arab spring but it's one of the most under covered by the media and it is the most pure because almost sixty to seventy percent of the population i mean if you watch these videos and you too of the mass demonstrations through the streets sixty to seventy percent of the civilians in range want this regime and and unfortunately this problems we're facing here in this nation that the mainstream media is continually focusing on iran and feeding us propaganda about iran alex and i have my gut give telling me that we are being propagated in as well when he investigated the t s a so this is happening you're not a conspiracy theorist maybe you need to be taken as a private room you know i haven't had that happen to me yet alex but i would welcome it because i certain the fellow would raise hell about it afterwards and everyone should especially journalists who are being intimidated because they're there criticizing the t s a and the government that's our job our job is to be watchdogs and publish what they don't  obama because i know you've been there you know really focusing on that i mean as a journalist what is it like and what's happening inside the highest levels of journalism that you've been and while he's been you know really purging a journalist to try to create a sky is blue that's just reporting journalism is publishing something no one else wants to see it's investigating it's not just saying whatever the government tells you and that's true muckraking investigative journalism that we need to reinvigorate and in our society and so what obama has done with his war on whistleblowers and by going after journalist with subpoenas he has created a chilling effect alex that we have never seen to to the likes of this level in this country and that's because obama it has prosecuted more journalists and with the blowers than any other president in our history under the one nine hundred seventeen espionage act including a little surprise winning new york times reporter james ries that so women the networks see obama going after journalists to try to get them to reveal their sources that creates a chilling effect not only that obama has turned journalists into criminals and i'm not an extremist alex if you look at the logic here as a journalist my number one duty to my sources and to the public is to never reveal confidential sources well now that obama is subpoenaing journalists to reveal those sources and essentially saying that they're criminals for not doing so he i criminal acts the profession of journalism why society isn't raising hell about this and the mainstream media journal of them outlets is is beyond me and i i saw the direct effects alex of obama's actions and there were investigations that i wasn't allowed to do because they were too high of a risk of being subpoenaed and it really became i'll break it down for you it became like this but i went to them with a story that had a re source you know a source too is potentially wanted by the federal government or the federal government doesn't like well that's pretty much everyone who is criticizing the federal government right now it would be a risk assessment so what is the risk of  that for those sources and and sometimes the answer was no and i think that's a situation and a chilling that should be termed can i answer i want your answer to this the answer is the media universally sticks together for the first amendment and journalistic integrity and goes after obama and absolutely destroys the courts we've got the power unless we give it up and that's what happened was with with with that with the communist hitler and others if we let them subvert the press you know this is an award winning journalist and somebody studied history if we do this this is how the tourney happens this is one of the final moves the final red flags here that if we let the intimidation work of this mafia it's over it should be game over and this is why it's terrifying alex and it's a terrifying everyone because now anyone in the federal government says isn't a potential enemy like the f b i did with anonymous it makes it nearly the government's allowed to call anyone an enemy and they know that the mainstream media will be very hard pressed to get in and talk to talk to the sources especially i saw it happen directly with whistleblowers and the be able to go and talk to them to find out whether they are or they aren't we can't allow the government to choose our enemies we need the truth to choose our enemy exactly that's what the state is that a journalist like  about chiang returning veterans of the number one terrorist threat three have years ago and we've got subsequent ones that i talk to my state police f b i federal marshals sources and they now say look i can't talk to you anymore they've let us know the n listening to all of us and now it's admitted the n s a spends most its time to spying on federal government and spying on themselves to make sure no one exposes the crimes going on and so we don't get one can't of the little blowing we used to get hey i'm still reading it i look at something and it's criminal clearly on its face or it's outrageous look people have a right no duty to expose it i mean i mean let's say the director of an agency is has embezzled a million dollars if there's cases of things like this and then somebody tries to expose it when we see it the pentagon and they go after the whistleblower that's one hundred percent protected but now we can't have that because the people are scared well the answer is we all stand up and say you know what we're not going to be afraid and we all go public and let the chips fall where they may and they can't get as all they want to use a little case points like bradley manning and burning him to scare everybody else we have a right to know and  on because they feel will never be able to get a job in the business again and i think it's time as journalists we need to really stop ford and focus on the elephant in the room here and that's the propaganda and sometime the lie is that the american public is  porch frustrating american public you know my family members living in in the midwest they're being lied to and journalists in the end complacent journalists are killing journalism and they need to come forward and talk about this because they're on the wrong side of history and and unfortunately you know i feel like one day when this all is exposed as the truth doesn't have a shelf life when it is exposed they're going to be looked at as just as guilty as these corporations that they work for ale until crisis i can't tell you how many soldier by ceremonies or funeral i went to and you know i just see something and i see that a lot of americans are being taken advantage of and the truth isn't getting to them and that's what bothers me the most as a journalist alex my job is to deliver the truth and it's very difficult and when the american public isn't informed and when they don't have the truth because they're not getting it from the mainstream media and from journalist journalists are fighting for it like they used to and that's dangerous and we've already seen what happened that's what gets us into iraq and afghanistan and now potentially iran and and i think that's something that should  really make us all realize that we need we need a wave and really focus on what's happening because i i'm going to tell you my honest opinion because i've been able to see the troops so many times and the truth covered up so many times that we are at a scary place right now that foreign governments corporations put claims in to to get what they want out of the machine while we pay for it as citizens while our name is destroyed for a guide and we've got a dumbed down population because this ranting of the media has been going on really thirty forty fifty years and now it's come to a point where even the mainstream media is collapsing in credibility but they can't stop because now it's all they know is being pressed to to just gerald celente they calls him and then when a real journalist like yourself comes along you're anathema you're demonized you're attacked and we're going into this dark night now i want to talk about more about your reports more about what you've seen you know being censored or controlled more of what was really going on in bahrain because they don't want that information out here but first off here it is a world net daily march third two thousand army psyops at c n n counterpunch c n n and stops here's another one fare dot org why were government propaganda experts working on news at c n n c n n responds she in an admitted hit on the washington post ship but i know i read it back in two thousand i had been told this before it even came out but back then they had generals and hundreds of psyops at c n n center in atlanta actually at the editor level above the editors commanding everything and then that story kind of died out so that's why i was asking you i guess now  they were standing there were to tell talked about this too and you know i wonder what's going on i mean my red flags are raised when you have this network not reporting on the domestic surveillance why aren't they out in they've got a giant one in san antonio and they are ras the san antonio express news and the other paper people they detain them and raise their film we went with the lawsuit information that they lost a lawsuit in maryland and they backed off i haven't even aired that  about this why was there a lot of i'm just you know time warner is a pretty intimidating enemy to have so so because their families and brother reasons they are going to come forward but today i just got an email from someone who used to work a woman who used to work on the desk me today she wrote editors and said our viewers are really confused about this legislation and they really want to know more and she says that or her constant e mails were ignored and in the end she writes i remember wondering if i was crazy to think there was a deeper reason why i stand and wouldn't cover such important subjects the important subjects and my opinion so i mean that someone he was on the front line and that the directly a zone with with viewers so we need to really ask ourselves if the united that covering these topics even though if you were is what these topics covered in a time where c n n is losing viewers and ratings then what the hell is going on here alex why aren't they covering these who  intimidating them or what's going on at that network that this stuff isn't being talked about and when i come as a to get a reporter and try to expose a u s ally country it's horrifically abusing and torturing its people why am i censored as well what's going on here and i mean it has c n n turned into state t v and and that's something we all need to ask ourselves or just keep in mind as you're watching so that you know too that what you are seeing could potentially be propaganda and to go to other sources as well so that you have a complete version and a complete plate of information too to be able to try to figure out what the truth that's from alex you're right and she and it has become globalist t v mega equation they all are going in the same direction and they've tried to carve up to control the population and now they're all pretty much going along with web censorship because the alternative media is giving americans for their money what do you think  organization as well as muckraker dot com we haven't launched yet we're hoping to launch in early two thousand and thirteen but that's that's become the reality of it if we don't get more journalists in and for all of these papers and media outlets than massacres that are exaggerated or don't exist and let's not call the bombing of libya or syria or adding of rebels let's not call that we are and then let's hide you know other stuff that isn't happening but then let's cover up murder in bahrain i american should know that their tax dollars are going to gas and torture these pro democracy activists i mean that is it horrifies me knowing my money going going to that and actually being a conversation alex they're taping it to whatever they want it to be not to the truth and that is so dangerous for this country especially considering right now and everyone should know watch the news now watch how much they mention iran considering everything we're facing here in the united states including the fact that you know in a couple weeks that i'm not going to have health insurance a lot of my friends don't have jobs their health insurance you know my dad's been laid off you know the fact that we're dealing with so many issues economically and the fact that the mainstream media is going to focus on  happening in iran and it was a classic there imploding economy giving tens of millions to foreign banks they're going to use the outside threat as the pretext to divert everybody but there's a perfect storm here because as the alternative media you know destroys the shut down the alternative media or buy it up because the same virus of dish information in line will destroy everything they touch now and thank god for the internet and social media that's the only thing making this  be seen there but think about in the past when we didn't have that and the stuff just disappeared it's pretty scary but you know i've seen the rise of so many independent outlets right now and says to fill current mayor has been called the new york times a populist crusader and a maverick lawyer and he's a former law professor and service special counsel to the new york state attorney general will get into his old bio now but i just wanted to give us a breakdown of what's coming up here he's been gracious enough to join us he is a lawyer oral mayor dot com who's been successfully pointing out that the n d a absolutely eviscerates the bill of rights and constitution with the secret ar disappearance of u s citizens obama goes past that saying i'll kill him if i want to and he's here to break down exactly what the n d a is why it's so important and where in this case is going because it's a battle back and forth with injunctions and injunctions being lifted and all the rest of it carl thanks for coming on with us thank you mr joe thank you very much for having me on your program i appreciate it we appreciate you going on a few minutes we're going to break here but i want to have you know spend every minute we could with you  what is the ending for people that don't know well into a bill that was passed in the dead of night last january thirty first two thousand and eleven signed by president obama when most people were reveling on new years and what it allows is it allows the government to detain in military prisons without right to jury rat were right to jury trial without a right to an attorney until the quote end of hostilities which could be forever anyone who is suspected of substantially supporting al qaeda the taliban were associated forces and there are no definitions in this law it's basically a law that allows the american president to detain u s citizens in military prisons which goes against two hundred years of american history and supreme court precedent it is in many regards an unprecedented law it may even be worse than some of the detention is that occurred during world war it it provides for almost permanent or unlimited detention until until the end of hostilities and the hostilities is not defined in the law is in other words it's an open ended war on terrorism  so called but there there is no definitional section i've never seen in twenty five years of legal practice i've never seen a statute it doesn't have a definitional section so this means that under the law any you know a journalist and activist anyone who for example writes an opinion piece sympathetic to a any organization not just out hated to tell a man would say let's say a muslim charity or let's say you have a reporter like chris hedges who frequently embedded in reports on the activities of these organizations in the ordinary course of his journalistic career any of those people could be subject to detention potentially indefinitely without a lawyer or trial so it's expand this also as you alluded to the way they passed is the way obama said he didn't want to birthdays and it turned out his lawyers demanded them then he said he wouldn't sign it he did what you think is really behind all this know i mean you probably know more than anybody outside the white house with all the documents you been able to get and focusing on this and you've been successful and then on top of it why are you the only people out there challenging it so we've also got to salute you carl and then break down where it's going and then why we should be so concerned about the n b a star thanks again mr jones and thanks again for having me on the program this is a battle for freedom it's a battle for all of our constitutional liberties virtually black this out and to the extent they have covered it they just routinely indicated wrongly that a court justice we upheld the law that's not the case  second circuit court of appeals in new york this week just put it in ministry to stay which is a temporary stay on the case while they hear the appeal they are hearing an appeal from a judge for us district court opinion where judge for slap an injunction permanently on the federal government to prevent them from executing carrying out this law and to prevent the government from rounding up u s citizens and putting them in military presence was a huge victory her opinion in came out on september twelfth the justice department worked through the following friday evening they were filing papers at ten thirty on a friday night they work through the weekend and the following they they file for an emergency appeal and stay with the second circuit court of appeals which is the next stop before the supreme court i don't know how the appeal will come out i'm confident that we are right on the law this is a pure first amendment issue people have the right to speak to protest and when whether they comment favorably or unfavorably on various organizations that's our american right and we think we're going to prevail whether it's in the second circuit of the supreme court but i that we will fight to the last inning to the last out on this case because it is so important we have a very distinguished group of plaintiffs led by chris hedges and daniel ellsberg but we also have a young group of activists some of whom were involved in the occupy wall street movement others of whom are one of whom is for example an elected member of iceland's parliament who was targeted by the u s government simply because she dared to make a film with weekly leaks that showed that there was targeting of civilians in bombings over in iraq so we have these terrific plaintiffs we we have  won this litigation at every step this litigation began in january we want a temporary injunction against the government back on may sixteenth when judge for yourself issued it and she prevented them from putting this heinous law into effect it has been in place from may sixteenth all the way till september twelfth where it was made permanent and then the following monday i believe it was the twenty let me see the twenty first maybe  september that's what emergency appeal was made to the second circuit the government incredibly was claiming that they couldn't conduct the war on terrorism if they didn't have this statute to work with and they hadn't said boo government judge force injunction which have been in place since may and yet now they're bellyaching that they can't conduct an entire war on terrorism because of this one statute that targets u s citizens how many other statutes do they have including the patriot act including  wiretapping including the targeted assassination of american citizens and on and on and on they now have you know you may you may have covered on your show the their wonderful washington post series called top secret government about how they're now over twelve hundred government agencies devoted to this war on terrorism and one thousand eight hundred private sub contractors devoted to the war on terrorism and they're saying they still need the power to put away u s citizens in military jails and maybe serious and that's what we're arguing that's what they're arguing that's what we're arguing in our papers that they can't be sued you're right i mean it's a giant power grab even very busy with this case but you may have seen in just three weeks ago during the democratic national convention the u got all the documents and i couldn't even believe it when i was reading and i'm expecting that peaceful activist that we're driving to the scene from the state they would pull him out of their cars arrest him and in the court filing the department of defense was over it asking the local judge keep these peaceful protesters in jail because protesting is quote low level terrorism they're basically using the army now against the american people already and an incredibly when president obama sent a statement to the senate before this law was passed he said and i'm quoting it goes against two hundred years of american history that the military would police our streets and yet he signed the bill which was a total a double standard total sell out of civil rights supporters and in total undermining of american liberty even during the civil war the united states there was a case decided certainly after the civil war called ex parte milligan and it dealt with a confederate sympathizer who was a civilian who had threatened to blow up the governments of ohio and indiana in a plot to overthrow the north of the northern free states he was put in he was detained in a military prison and  party milligan the supreme court ruled even during a crisis such as the civil war us citizens are entitled to the protections of u s courts meaning a right to a trial by jury of their peers a right to an attorney it's and this overturns that precedent and we are confident that if we go to the supreme court and we're confident before the second circuit that the justices will see that and it doesn't matter whether you're left right or center this is a here i think it is in that as i said earlier i've never seen a statute that doesn't have a definitional section the obama administration and the bush administration before it made clear that they wanted to have as much ambiguity and confusion in the statute as possible and it's when it's when the ambiguity and the confusion start that due process and and it's when you have unchecked government power to detain in military prisons that the first amendment is extinguished we're also in uncharte territories in that the attitude of the government in all of their briefs and their papers is sorry third branch of government sorry judges sorry judicial branch you don't have a role during wartime is the executive branch and if the unchecked w powers of the president there are to prevail during war time i think part of this has to do you asked me why is this happening part of this has to do with the executive always tries to grab more power and they need to be checked by the other branches what's new here is this isn't it and aggressive move against the judiciary which judge force in her opinion was very offended by and even suggested in august seventh hearing that the government may be in contempt because the government incredibly response judge force questions said they don't even keep track of whether people are detained under the n d a so how could they be in compliance with her injunction she suggests they may be contempt so it's the executive branch  judiciary i also think and i don't want to sound too conspiratorial and i don't think i am i think that the corporate elites any governmental elites that run our country are now afraid of the citizenry because for the last thirty years this country has been run for the benefit of the billionaires and the elite corporations as well as the foreign policy establishment and those in government and we've seen a massive decline in the standard being of americans we stated erosion of our civil rights because the people who run this country and the corporations that run this country do not want to see a moment of protest and rebellion which this country is so overdue for this is the first time in american history we've got forty years without a major counter reaction we've got police now killing people for no reason people in wheelchairs i mean it's getting really scary how they're federalizing the police they're training them to be brutal they're training citizens to spy on each other people are getting us getting arrested for paying with a five dollar bill in a toll booth and we talk about how we're such a free country all we've got left is the first amendment and i think that's why you're sued so important people should go to stop india dot org and read the papers read the press releases watch the videos and donate because you guys point out this is an attack on the press the way this n d a is written you guys are fighting an n d a that they claim is fighting al qaeda and by the act of me supporting you now i by extension i'm doing it because it's written so broadly read read the transcript of the detained under the n b a the answer repeatedly we cannot make that representation your honor we cannot make that representation your honor we cannot make that representation your honor because this law is totally out of control and focusing  not just on people who give material support or arms support to terrorists but is now broadened out to include speech and other conduct of expression that should never be penalize in this country and i would i would  police officers in in uniforms on the street corner and now we have people dressed in paramilitary uniforms throughout the country and that is a it is a cultural shift it is a it is a sort of representation of what's happening in the wider society but where the rubber meets the road is where is where this whether this law can be enforced or not sure tell us where the n d a is going from here for five people who don't understand the different proceedings when is it going to the supreme court and what we can do to help restore the bill of rights and constitution sure well the second circuit court of appeals is hearing the appeal now we have a motion or in the middle of writing are br now a motion for a stay pending an appeal when there is an administrator temporary administrator stay put put on we want to lift that stay and just have the appeal process work out which probably will take a couple of months after that depending on how it goes the supreme court may or may not hear it depending on whether they want to review it or not i would think they would that process could take another few another few months i would expect be overturned well we'll do everything our parent not to let that happen we'll file a motion for contempt if we had to judge force suggested clearly that she would invite one if we have to will file a motion for contempt if we have any indication that they are continuing i can't imagine that they that they would at last they want to provoke a constitutional crisis and that's what it would become right now it's a constitutional standoff basically the executive department has told the judges to take a hike that they don't really care about their review but they haven't they haven't targeted citizens within the united states the n d a target citizens within the united states which is why it's so frightening but it's the entire bill is frightening and that's why that's why we have to fight with everything we have if you can't contribute people  can go to our web sites and volunteer you know we've had we've had volunteer attorneys fly in from california from boulder colorado woman read a new guy named robert jeff in california that came came from across the country to help us in our fight in in federal court in manhattan we have lost students you got a terrific young zach whiskas a young student cardoza law and you know people from all over the country have a role to play in this so you don't have to have necessarily legal skills just join the fight to protect their freedom  well carol mayer has been our guest and hopefully we get updates from you as this unfolds stops indiait dot dot org thank you so much for the time and we'll continue to follow this historical case