morning welcome to changes the program on sustainability i'm susan gregory of the coordinating producer of the show and today's host is travis barrington who's here to talk about a major event that's coming up soon in the imo good morning you then yes i will be talking about the zero waste international conference which will be coming up in an i'm on october second two fourth and to discuss that conference i'm also being joined by jan hastings executive director of the new and i was i think change and sure chair of the local zero waste one team so good morning to you good morning hi nice to be here so you might remember i was joined by jan last time i hosted and we discussed  what exactly are we discussing what is it a concept a plan an action what are we talking about great question in fact that question is causing all kinds of consternation because some people believe zero waste means if you don't see it it's gone to zero so therefore there are people like metro vancouver who wants to send their garbage off to communities like ours they think they're a waste is when you recycle bunch of it and then you burn the rest of it and you don't see it so it's gone that's not the international definition internationally the definition is that there is virtually no use of the landfill and if it is it's only dry materials that don't put off methane gas and you don't use incinerators at all you use the materials you repurpose them you compost them you recycle them or you reduce the use of those materials in the first place and so that means you go to zero with the wasting of what we call garbage or waste materials and i'll just add to that a little bit on the local level here we have a regional district that has a zero waste vision and so from their perspective they're a waste is the long term waste reduction and diversion target and we achieve that through we dock ssion reuse recycling redesign and composting and so it's a vision of the future where garbage is a thing of the past and so that once it once you accept zero waste then always looks different and then it's like ian says that everyone seems to have their own kind of version of what zero waste is  some organization organizations like terrorists like all talk about eliminating the need for a waste and so they do what they do which is recycling and upcycling at the n r e we do zero waste recycling which is about recycling everything that we have products that bring revenue to a recycling depot like paper and metal so i guess i just like to think of zero waste as an inspiration for all of us to revisit our goals and  constantly apply new knowledge that comes down the pipe in new technologies to reduce in reuse and recycle in i do like the idea of eliminating the need for waste excellent so it sounds like there's a lot as you said different organizations different governments different entities have their own vision of zero waste and i don't know is there more of a standard because i know a lot of people here look enviously towards a lot of european countries where incineration or waste energy as they like to call it is part of their zero waste or waste management program but would you say there's more of a standard ideal of zero ways that would that you would like to see or that someone has laid was that's why i'm really glad that this conference is coming to and i'm with these conferences from zero waste international alliance this is an international body normally go to places like large cities such as california first one is in davos switzerland a financial capital two places france and others brazil was another place normally big cities and we are the smallest i think are the small city that ever come to so why are they coming here because of this confusion partly because of this confusion about what zero waste is what they define it as is all the things that i mentioned earlier which is to eliminate reuse recycle all those kinds of things so that we end up with way more jobs cleaner air we have a better economy we were able to thrive and keep those resources for future generations such as yourself you're younger than i am and so when i'm gone what are you going to be using to to carry on with your life if we've burnt them all or bird them all yeah and i've seen a lot of the language shifting in these types of things from in policy plans and things like that from waste management towards more light on the lines of resource management or resource recovery is another big one so definitely implying that so what are we going to expect from this conference and what have there been in the past just looking at gen here who's going to answer this question do you want to do the who's got the information in front of it we can expect global experts  of the list of speakers is somewhere around thirty who are really the leaders in zero ways they're there from europe and france and that is europe europe australia and south america and across north america they really are the people you know there's somebody coming from italy who has managed to implement as there always policy of in italy in italy where the city is that eighty two percent diversion and so you know where we're at seventy but when we have we have a ways to go so these people know about policy and how to establish it and how they also know how to  know get the movement going on the ground and so they really are the global experts who can come and tell us what is being done around the world and you know how to how to get those policies in place and how to achieve a more sustainable lifestyle in cities and so they are the experts they've been down this road before us and so for us we're going to just take it all in and like ian says there are so many opportunities for local jobs to come out of this you know tonight is seventy percent diversion right now so everything we've been doing up to this point has brought us to seventy percent  and and if we keep doing those things we will most likely stay at precisely seventy percent well there's there's thirty percent there and we're going after it you know with this conference and so we're just going to come away with so much new thinking and new technology and new ideas to achieve in our local area for our local sustainability and our local economy could i threw in a question there i'm assuming that others are going to come to this conference to learn the same things so this isn't just people coming to and imo to educate us but to share this knowledge with people from many other places as well and i'm wondering if you know how far people might be coming from just to attack and so far i know that people are coming from brazil africa sweden france italy new zealand australia they are coming from around the world in a really cool thing about that is that there's a zero waste youth movement so there's zero ways youth movement in the u is inspiring zero you youth have canada to start zero waste canada youth and so that's part of what's going to happen at this conference the conference is also that youth are coming they fill up the landfill like crazy but there's good metal in them and fabric and other things that can be reused or repurposed or whatever that's what we're going to be focusing on is how to go about the next thirty percent at least twenty percent take us to ninety which is pretty close to what real zero waste is going to look like there's always going to be some because we cannot always convince manufacturers to reduce what it is that they are doing that simply can't be re used but your question is again i forgot and lost track of your question just with that the subtitle of the conference alternatives right you may be aware that that there are companies looking for opportunities to build  ors all around the region the georgia straight and if it doesn't happen here which it's quite possible that it can still come here people say oh city council turned it down will city council cannot turn down the incinerator two point or two incinerators we could have eventually they don't have that power even the regional district is limited in terms of the power it has to stop the incinerator the province could but the province of course likes things that burn and so we don't really see them taking that kind of that direction so what we're doing is we're offering a positive alternative or a real choice that is less expensive for the taxpayer are very expensive they get a little bit of energy out of it out of the waste mostly from paper plastics which we can do better things with them burning them it's so it's less expensive it means way more jobs locally if we were to reuse repurpose those those materials and and so we are saying why go that direction there is already somebody in the regional district of the nih more stuff person is going around promoting incinerator we do not need incinerators that's what these folks from around the world are coming to tell us is that this is how you do it this is how we're doing it this is how you can do it and i am one region is already a western canada leader a leader in western count in terms of diverting waste so we are going to show this region and hopefully metro vancouver is still convinced that that's the way to go and people around the world that we can go further and avoid the incinerator you're right it is a hot t course just for people who aren't familiar myself included what you mentioned earlier that council in our d n a doesn't have the power to stop these things why that's so from my understanding and i'm no expert either but you know if  company wants to come in and buy property that is a court that is zoned appropriately for the business that they want to establish you know city is council and  city's they're not in the business of saying no that's not the bit that's not what we want you to do they would have to rezone the property to stop the the organization from actually doing that that's not just that's not what they do and so you can imagine that the hot water you know that that that would that get into doing that so and dewpoint ins is an industrial area it's meant to be an industrial area and people want to also encourage you know businesses and employers and tax base and all the all of those things so it becomes very complicated to try and stop something like  energy facilities because they're just kind of holding back right now is what i understand until the election is done of course because they you know they don't want to mess with that process so that's great we have one speaker coming from italy john's already mentioned he's going to be not only on the thursday friday main event down at the coast bastien but on saturday where we're going to be having a more community event it's going to be at the christ community church on and northfield that we will have the same fellow there from italy who basically is a schoolteacher and didn't want to have an incinerator it beside the school that's how he got started he got impassioned about having all of this  these dioxins i'm sure ons and everything else that are emitted by these things despite all good technology that they have and so he went to task to stop them from building that and he just kept on going and going and so now that region is really doing very well in terms of diverting waste so they don't need incinerators now so he's coming so for people who are curious to find out a bit more about him in the region what is the what is the name his name in the name of his region and you know  chairing the zero waste europe maybe you can read some of that stuff well all i know about him is that he is the chair of zero waste europe and he is the primary policy maker for zero waste in in italy we have our own practices to have a look at we have our recycling you know reduce reuse recycle and it's always good to have another visit and look at how we're doing and what we're doing we have the three r s reduce reuse and recycle recycling has gotten probably more attention and more activity than the other two we re used to some extent with our thrift stores and we use market sick etc but reduce gets less attention i think because people are afraid maybe that reducing consumption would negatively affect the economy and we can't quite get our minds around how can we stimulate a very active economy if we don't keep buying stuff but you know so we need to look at what we're doing and look at new ways of thinking and you know even recycling it's good to have a look at that because all recycling is down cycling you're going to take something that is already a product and you're going to convert it into a low grade low value raw material again to remake something else and all of that takes energy if you think about it so if you think of up cycling which means you take something maybe you bought your detergent in a container and so maybe you decide to either use that container for the rest of your life because that plastic will probably live longer than you and you could keep refilling it or you can use that for something else that saves all the energy needed to extract something else some other results out of the earth and manufacture it into that item and so we can rethink so much of what we already do and everybody can up cycle recycling is an industry but everybody can up cycle in and change things a lot just by doing that the five hours now it was we had reduce reuse recycle before and now it's more like five hours rethink or refuse  so we use recycle and recover so there's just more to it now yeah that's a very interesting point about reduce and the effect it has on people and the fear it generates of shrinking the economy and the loss of jobs and the loss of this and how that's always such a strong political message at all times from especially during elections is this protection of the economy and i'm just wondering if you think that produces more is it more to do with the individual and what they purchase or would it also have to be but are brought back on consumers and manufacturers to reduce their wastes in other ways like packaging and and the derby of their products as well you've actually raised two different things here i want to pick up on the first one the second answer i think the answer is yes it's right across the board we all need to work together to make to reduce the amount of stuff that we are wasting that we are garbage ing that we are trashing the first part my mom really my mind's not working very well here after what you were saying at the beginning now it's gone isn't that funny well i was up really late last night with the city council trying to get some sponsorship money and so my brain is not working very well this morning it was about was about the produce and how it generates his fear and it was on assuming less and yes they stagnating the economy and that's right the you've heard of the issue of exporting roll logs right yes and were given the argument all the time well if we didn't export raw logs we wouldn't be creating those jobs of cutting down those trees and exporting them and yup that's true we would lose those handful of jobs the same argument is that play here and when we burn those resources we burn jobs the the even worse thing compared to exporting at least the logs are going to be put to use we hope over in asia or wherever they're shipped to so they can create jobs and create homes whatever it's going to be used over there when we burn waste we not only eliminate the jobs that would come from  from those resources we've lost them for ever nobody's ever going to make any economic gain from those materials ever again because they are now part of the atmosphere so anybody who argues with me or we're going to lose the economy if we if we do the these kinds of intelligent things obviously there's going to be some loss of jobs if we don't keep on manufacturing needlessly but on the other hand to be throwing things into a dump where they're all mixed together and they all rot together and they and they create methane gas within which is waste of resources when we do that or when we incinerate which is even worse and not department than we are we're losing even more jobs than if we were to reduce the amount that we're creating in the first place and then are more clever in using materials after we've reclaimed them so we could actually restore some of the manufacturing sector that has been lost and north america and other countries just by using those reclaimed materials yet the exact same are you know with the raw logs and there's a handful of jobs that cuts the logs down but the greater number of jobs that process and make them into a more valuable asset yeah there's actually some very interesting numbers and and stats out there about the jobs created if you landfill and from if you take if you take a product and you burn it or or put it in a landfill they create that product creates one job doing that if you composted it creates four jobs conventional materials recovery you get ten jobs from it and if you want to start manufacturing and remanufacturing in fact the higher you go up what you do with it the more jobs are created so it's it's quite staggering really i haven't studied this a lot but when you think of it if you just leave something alone it's never going to create another job or if you just story it in some way it's never going to create another job but if you get your hands on it and rework it into something else every time somebody touches it that's a job and that person then has money to spend in the community and hopefully other things like locally grown food and things like that but also can pay taxes and that's when the economy begins to spiral upwards  know the new lingo is that is the green collar jobs ok so with that though i think the other part of what i asked before we got on that topic which was great was for reduction how do you think it needs to be led by by the mandates of government by industry or by consumers leading the way and choosing to not purchase wasteful products or purchase just less i do think that everybody needs to be involved in and we all need to challenge ourselves and our and our own lives because we all purchase stuff and maybe we do all purchased more than we need to be comfortable i think it needs to happen at all levels that citizens need to be involved we are the consumers and we need local government as well and provincial government and governments at all levels you know need to be involved in this because they are the policymakers i was talking to one of the councillors about this and he you know he was saying that every level of government government really requires a champion for this cause whether it's been this the polar regional or provincial federal even to set policy and that really comes from a strong vision and a strong direction because i think really is just saying that leadership is  needed if we are going to look towards change in this area it's a really tough one it's to reduce idea is counter intuitive in our culture yeah and it requires a bit more force a vent a lot of political planning usually have absolutely and i think all of us need to work together i'm going to go a little spiritual on you ok it seems to me that when we only think about ourselves our own selfish little selves i'm the center of the known universe is what i like to tell people we thought that the earth was but now i know i am when we move from out kind of greedy the reptilian brain part of ourselves to the higher being that says i am part of something much bigger i'm part of a human race and part of a an amazing awesome planet that is a gem in a huge vast universe that is basically uninhabitable most of it this is where i live in this is where we live and this is what i'm part of and we can go even further and say how did this all happen to arrive how's it that we end up with this amazing planet with the diversity and the ability to heal and to feed us and to to have all these different life forms billions and billions of them on this on this wondrous planet that happens to be just the right distance from the sun happens to be circling the sun just perfectly and with different seasons and all of the intricacies that are involved with that how we've ended up on this i mean planet there's something bigger going on here too can't we work with that whatever bigger it is that you want to name it being your greater power your higher power your  gods jehovah whoever you want to call this divine being if you want to call it and if you don't believe in that what about the collective of all of our souls all of our spirits all of our consciousness can we not work together so that we do better in so that all life forms on this one sole planet can do better here and however you want to make that theologically or philosophically or whatever it seems to me that if we really want to stay on this planet if we really love this planet we are going to be more than selfish little creatures that are acting like we're all five years old and want to consume as much as we possibly can and we can go to something higher that's more noble that says i'm part of something bigger and i'm going to i'm going to be part of the solution not just be part of the problem maybe i should just jump in here to remind our listeners that you're listening absorbing that that you are listening to see a show i went to one point seven m your campus and community station in and imo and we are heard as well at c h l why dot ca where we stream live and podcast and even your just what you were talking about reminded me of something on september twenty first there's going to be a global people's climate mobilize asian action happening around the world in conjunction with the un climate conference that's happening in new york and we are encouraged to watch a film called disruption this is kind of the the the negative underside i think of what you were talking about because the opening of that film is actually very much reflective of what you were just saying about the wonder that this planet is then unfortunately it goes on to show what we were doing to it and you can see that film for free on the line at watch disruption dot com it's almost an hour long so you know get yourself prepared for that and then there will be a rally at my feel certain parks will bring more information about that  next week but it's something that we're being encouraged to watch the film again watch disruption dot com before september twenty first so we really feel what it is that we're going to be talking about on the twenty first you are going to that's great and that i have asked me to go and speak about too so i'm going to bring you more information about the events and we haven't got the details yet which is you know seem so strange when we're being full philosophical right now but i hope we get to some of the the actual things that are going on in this conference second to yeah yeah yes i think there's a good tie in here because obviously zero waste and climate whatever you want to call it they will emit tremendous amounts of methane or carbon dioxide and those we know are very harmful to our survival and to the rest of this species that live here so we want to stop doing this because landfills and incinerators account for a huge segment of what it is we're putting into the air i think our local landfill does try to capture the methane but that's a that's a whole other story the point being that you know we live on a single planet and that methane just because our local landfill is trying to do something about it doesn't mean that it's being dealt with in many other places so that's that's an excellent point something else that i will just mention while i'm sort of digressing a little bit here is that tonight there is going to be a fundraiser at the vault cafe seven o'clock for the el salvador delegation of solve a day that's going down to el salvador in the middle of this month paul manl is one of the people and we know him well as a local filmmaker they are part of a delegation with selvi aid and international allies against mining in el salvador long story short there is a canadian company a mining company pacific rim which has sued the government of el salvador for damages for lost potential profits because the government of el salvador stopped one of their minds from happening for public interest reasons of the it's a three hundred one million dollar lawsuit and paul is going down there to document what's going on because he's actually doing a film on investors state dispute mechanisms that are in now he says forty three of canada has signed trade agreements so it is an issue that affects us because it's a canadian mining company because these things can happen to us as well at the hands of companies from other countries there are too poor five billion dollars in pending nafta chapter eleven disputes going through secretive arbitration tribunals right now so if you want to find out and night at seven pm you can make a tax deductible donation to sell vaden that will help with the cost of the film production or you can contact paul directly at paul at manly media dot com and manly as m and l y so paul at manly media dot com and finally just one quick thing the green party of b c has a petition to end the dispute between the b c teachers federation and the b c public school employers association by going to binding arbitration and you can find out more about that at triple w dot green party dot b c dot c a either slash binding arbitration now or you can just go to the website and click on take action and then education petition once again that's green party to see a and slash binding arbitration now or just follow the links the program that you are listening to and see chill i want to one point seven f m is changes and today travis barrington  talking with jan hastings executive director of the i'm a recycling exchange and in gartrell are about the upcoming zero waste international conference in and i'm a lot of course all of the issues around that and i want to say i think a few minutes ago i probably said something that may have sounded contradictory because when john was talking about more jobs i was seeing that meant that people have more money to spend and of course that could be more money to spend on useless things that go to the landfill but we there's another really think isn't there we if we have more money that's a good thing but we don't have to spend it on junk plastic those kinds of things we can be rethinking how we use our money right and that becomes a good thing for everybody in a way you're describing a more circular economy where where we do manage things cradle to cradle and so that will influence what we buy we may not buy another plastic playhouse you know we might buy something that our neighbor made out of some bare wood that's more interesting for your kid to play with anyway so it's not it's not really contradictory but it does require a change in thinking and the whole thing about climate change and and how this relates to zero waste it's not only pollution comes from burning and landfills and all of that if you think if you think more back to the beginning how does something even get produce to well it needs energy and it gets extracted it we have we have finite resources on this planet and so it's good to really take care in our thinking of what do we really need to keep extract in all of these resources and expanding all of this energy in making new and more stuff or can we have a reasonable life style by using what we already have and by mining resources and recovering resources and using them in a in a different way naomi klein is much more intelligent and knowledgeable on this topic than i could ever hope to be but she certainly has joined the dots there for us all when it comes to industrial waste and industrial practices and how that does affect the planet  but i think the link cruzeiro way says that is that we can try to think of ways that are yeah there global but local is is more what we have influence over and so how can we influence our local economy and how can we take what we have in this area in this city on this island and create some jobs by covering waste and upcycling and using what we have here to create more small scale entrepreneurial local jobs you know i think that's a good thing to do where can we go to find out more about what naomi klein has written about  yeah ok good idea yeah definitely brings up an interesting point that i was hoping to get to later on was you're managing the local economies of recycling and buying u players from your neighbor who maybe made out of old pilots or scrap wood like you said and i'm just wondering do you think these types of things for zero waste in building these markets for that last thirty percent of recycling is is that something that has to originate you think from a smaller grassroots level and large companies and governments is too slow and set in their ways to sort of respond to the sort of thing when i think of that i think of it from a recycling perspective maybe that's a bit complicated when you're talking about the sort of generally local economies and a local business model for recyclables and that sort of thing is that the way you the way you see this succeeding in going forward is through smaller grassroots or do you think that governments and large companies are ever be mobile enough to to act on these things ok i'm back on track what i think is everything that's recycled now mostly the mainstream stuff that is recycled now makes money it's the metal the paper is electronics etc that's mainstream recycled recycling zero waste recycling like what the n r a does we all know that some of it makes money and some of it makes no money at all so i believe in my heart of hearts that these products that don't make money aren't ever going to make it into mainstream recycled they're just not big enough and sexy enough and they're just not going to make the money so i do believe that those will need to be taken up by local entrepreneurs for example and we should talk about the our planning day of this conference because it's all about that you know these people were inviting to that are those local entrepreneurs who people were invited to speak in showcase what they do are those local entrepreneurs and they're they're taking on those hard to recycle products like like the mattresses and carpets and pallets and you know all these things and they're turning them into businesses but but they are small local businesses so i think that's what the balance is going to be the mainstream stuff will stay big business and maybe that will always stay at seventy percent and then the extra thirty i do believe it's going to come from local communities and local communities will need to design that for themselves i want to mention that one of  about on saturday is already creating wonderful furniture and other objects that sometimes go on that side of buildings whatever out of pallets it's gorgeous looking stuff and  functional and it's very inexpensive she started making it for herself when she didn't have any furniture and she has kept on going on about is to me a real entrepreneur not somebody who's going to be trying to get some government money or docs tax deductions or whatever she's just out there doing the real thing that's the kind of person we're going to have on saturday but we also have other folks that are going to be at the conference on thursday and friday that maybe not everyone here is going to be able to go to but who are doing some amazing things we also have some bad news in that this new m and b c program ultimate ariel's b c recycling program has put some businesses out of business because it's extracted all those materials away from them so there's a business down to victoria but it's close shop now because they can't get a hold of the plastics that he was using to make things like park benches so we can do better yes let's get those dates again of this conference because you're saying thursday friday saturday but this is not this week  think after we've had some time to digest what we spoke about before the break in here with all of the other events it would be good to say way back to the conference and we have some details where people get information how they can register if they wish to attend and just what's going on on those three days as well so the conferences october second third and fourth and the second and third are thursday and friday so that portion of the conference will be held at the coast bash in downtown and  speakers you know they'll be planning recession's so we'll all be in one room listening to speaker after speaker give us their global wisdom and then what we really wanted to do also is have a way for this conference to make a difference e some speakers telling us what they're doing and how they've made businesses i would of recycling things and reusing things the afternoon of day will be spent with all of us and the manager of sanitation and recycling from the city and the senior zero waste coordinator from the r d n and members of the solid waste management committee that will be very focused on giving public input to phase three of the solid waste management plan so it will in effect give the people and imo an opportunity to direct where the next solid waste management plan goes after hearing all of this information on thursday and friday the juices are going to go on and we'll have some great help from the i d n sharon horsburgh will come and lay out what is the solid waste management plan and what are our options and if you choose this option what's it going to look like what's the cost going to be and it's really going to help people understand and then the city manager will also be there to support the residents of because it's very important for it is the our d n but there's always confusion between what the heck does the city do and what the heck does the r d n do when it comes to garbage and recycling so it'll clarify a lot of that as well so we really hope people come out to that day and have their say and be heard for the plan and we're also planning some other things for that day we have paired up with repair cafe army is going to provide a bunch of stuff from our reuse market and repair caf is going to be on site and so people can either come and bring something to be repaired or they can come and learn how to up cycle something and make it into something that a full and useful oh and yeah in a people bring kids they're going to be able to make some you know our something out of how to recycle thing and so we hope to have a collaborative project where they will make something creative and beautiful out of things that they may not they may consider waste or may have previously considered waste so we're really putting a lot of work into that day and we really hope that people come out and tell us what they're thinking about our solid waste plan here in if people want to find some more information about that not that we have a lot online yet it's just being rolled out our whole schedule never things being put together for the saturday october the fourth event will start at nine in the morning go to about four or four thirty in the afternoon with local speakers and a couple of international speakers not just the fellow who stopped incinerators in those trucks but also probably a gal who's involved with an n so it's winning it we all win when we do intelligent things with with the resources that are at our disposal so you can go there and then there on the events page there is two events the saturday is one and then there's another one i mean we are serious about reducing waste but we also know seriously know how to have fun and so friday night we are going to have a downside it's resources rakas the name of the event because and it's so wonderful band that play traditional rock not too loud everyone of all ages enjoy this music can get up there and boogie with it and we'll have some food there and refreshments for the community we are really excited about having some fun to do with this event as well so it's sounding like the real really great event for all members of the of the queen and i want to learn to get more involved as well absolutely i should also and friday sessions because it seems that those of us who are really interested in these things would love to find out more about what's going on in other places you mention someone there will be some speakers on this saturday but it's it's  wonderful that will have a chance to give our input on what can happen locally but it's also inspiring sometimes to hear what other people are doing things that we may never have thought of before and things that we may not have thought possible when we find out that someone else is actually doing them it becomes really exciting i just want to say that the room will be full of ordinary people who just happen to come from all over the world and i think that's it 's extraordinary that you say that because that is who we all are at least i think we're ordinary but i was thinking this morning of how to put that into words  there is the quote by margaret mead who says never believe that if you caring people can't change the world for indeed that's all you ever have so that's who we are and that's who all those people are that they are experts but they are ordinary people who care and they're coming from all over the world so yeah we hope that the room is also filled with people local people so that we can all do the thinking that hasn't been done yet we can all do the new thinking to find these local solutions for our local ways again i want to say how amazing it is that this event is coming to know my mom we would normally have to go to somewhere like well maybe the closest it's been is california we would normally have to go all around the world to hear these kind of caliber of actual people doing the the work of making these resources reusable and they are here in our backyard and why wouldn't you want to spend a couple hundred dollars for at least one of those two days to go and hear these amazing speakers and be part of the excitement as we figure out how we're going to live on this planet for the long term yeah on that i think it's great that local people would get involved because i think there are a large part of the reason why the conference is coming in imo has shown a commitment to these ideals and it's it's a testament to that that this conference is coming here like you said when it's been all over the world and in much larger centers before so yeah everyone please check out the website checco facebook and come on down for any day you can or all three yes and we'll put those links on our podcast i'll have that podcast up as soon as i can so that if you missed any part of today's show you'll be able to hear the whole thing at your convenience and also if you happen to be recycling at the and are we have all the information there as well and travis and i are both there if you are curious about the conference and want to talk about it or have any questions about it will definitely help you out there excellent yes so people can just pop into the office at the n r e definitely yes i'm always amazed at how busy they had are is just incredible yeah i was getting here because i couldn't get out so you know i love all those people who come but it's it is very busy but we love it that it's that busy we love that people the commitment in and imo is extraordinary and i'll say that about the residents i'll say it about the the r d n and i'll say it about the city that there is extraordinary support here and belief that we can do better in our community yeah i will quit green as well there's definitely some extraordinary support and extraordinary people i just yesterday i spent twenty minutes speaking on the phone with a gentleman who was so concerned about how to recycle his plastic bags he was wondering if he should cut little pieces off with a little ziploc so that they could again be recycled instead of thrown away so that's the we haven't and i'm all for people with recycling and making sure the resources go to the proper spot that's it's wonderful maybe we should just mention the website again there's zero ways to canada dot ca and also facebook page eco hyphen when dots just  don't when the i am all ok on facebook thank you and there will also be some information on the and ari facebook page of people may be already familiar with going there that will be posting some information about the conference as well excellent thanks and we may put some on the changes facebook page so well budgets will join in and that's because books for it because this event is about changes and i think it's right up the alley of this program and of what your listeners are really keen to learn is how can i be part of the difference so often we feel empowered disempowered to do anything that's different and here is an event that will make a big difference locally and internationally and we are all part of it absolutely absolutely agree this is really what changes is all about ok i don't know if there's anything left to say for now but i think this is a great discussion and i'm glad we were here and i want to thank jan any and again for coming by and being my guest and providing excellent discussion and an excellent description of the conference coming up in october and i don't know how many people think suzanne for having been  pay is you are one of the most knowledgeable people around the but how to do how to make changes happen and thank you for hosting us to the home welcome was my pleasure thanks all and that's our show changes is heard every tuesday morning at eleven here on c you do check us out on facebook and on behalf of our production team thanks so much for joining us