time once again for community form and we're very lucky to have with us live in the studio this morning crystal coop crystal is co founder and former director of the unit versity district st madison also known as am crystal thank you very much for coming in and spending time with us this morning thank you so start out tell us about university district st medicine and how it is that you came to co found it so university dysart street medicine started about three years ago it was when i was in graduate school getting my master of social work at you deb and a small group of students medical students nursing physical therapy and social work and we were interested in seeing if it would be something that would be relevant to have a street medicine clinic specifically in the u district for homeless folks we wanted to we had kind of two objectives two goals there the first one was to actually give back to the community that university of washington resides and and the second one was to provide kind of an on the ground learning environment for health science students that were interested in sort of working on their engagement community building part of their practice so we went to some community meetings we talked to different community partners in the neighborhood we talked to current informally homeless folks about kind of what the level of care was that they needed what was working what wasn't we navigate you we kind of went through to the different health science schools or six of them and wanted to see how best to work together we wanted to have an interdisciplinary clinic where students could also not only learn how to engage within the community and with the patient population but we also wanted students to have a learning environment where they could learn how to work with each other you kind of as a whole and health care as a whole really does a lot of focus on social determinants of health providers so we we had lofty goals and we wanted to see how that would go we started out wanting to do kind of a traditional brick and mortar diagnose and treat clinic kind of a full primary care clinic sees me but upon further review after we did some community needs assessments and talked to different schools and different st medicine clinics around the country it was determined that the best way would be to start with a true street and community based clinic kind of we were hearing from folks both on the service provider and and on the consumer and literally and figuratively meet us where we're at get to know us go to where we're already comfortable build relationships there because there's a lot of mistrust in the health care system and there's a lot of mistrust in the health care system specifically here in seattle so we sort of wanted to combat that by you know listening to the people that would be accessing this care and basically going straight to the source so after about a year of planning and consultation an assessment in the community and kind of building those relationships within the community we our regional model an model that stands today is quite different we are not a traditional primary care clinic we have two community based sites where we go and we partner with existing agencies to meet patients there kind of on a drop in basis and then we have to street outreach where we go in small teams and go and access folks kind of where where they're at we go to the library we go to the coffee shops we go you know up and down the av there in the u district we go over to the parks things like that  the small teams are small for a reason one they're there they're a learning environment so we want the students to be able to have that time to work with the licensed clinicians that go out with them on you know how did that go was that comfortable what worked what didn't it's a very different model that a lot of students aren't used to so there's a learning curve and there's a level of anxiety there that it's nice to have that small kind of supportive environment and we heard from folks that are accessing care come to us in small teams don't overwhelm us you know i mean the stuff my nightmares are made i was like nine students deep going in with you know three clinicians and coming over this one person and completely overwhelming everybody and not really getting anything done so we kept it small we started our street outreach services in may twenty fifteen and we continue there in the you and we also partner with this events and to paul parish blessid sacrament also in the district so that's a fairly radical model to actually consult with the people you're going to be serving before really getting up to speed and finding out what they want i mean you wouldn't find very many other business models based on typically no and that's part of the problem prior to going back to graduate school i was a direct service social worker for about ten years and that was one of the things that i saw all the time is that there were services being offered that were helpful and useful but not community informed and  lot of problems in care delivery and outcomes ultimately because that piece was missing and i think also when you go and you actually talk with the community that you're trying to serve and trying to work with you that's that's kind of an automatic way to start building a relationship because it shows that you have enough respect for the population they are trying to serve to do it right and i think that that piece right there that that first piece of community building was really and continues to be really important for your district st medicine because we have an excellent reputation in the community both with service providers and with folks that access our care matter fact we have kind of been doing ongoing informal needs assessments of the area to kind of make sure that we're doing the right thing you know is still working you know sort of keeping real time track of what's going on in the neighborhood and what what health needs sort of arise from that what health and social services needs sort of arise from that and when we first started our street and community outreach in twenty fifteen we asked the questions of you know how do you feel about accessing care at university of washington and a lot of people said that they would rather not they they had had you know poor experiences with different clinics i'm not going to call any of them out but they've had for experiences with with many clinics just because they didn't feel that they were listened to they didn't feel that they were respected they felt that they were judged based on their housing status other things and then as time went on as and as we continued to you know become familiar faces in the neighborhood and provide that care with you know compassion and relationship building at the forefront we asked that question again about a year later and that was when we were looking into kind of expanding our services at that point going into that phase two if you will and we ask we started asking people you know if you just your street medicine were to expand our services and open a clinic say in partnership with an existing used up clinic would you go and a year later we were getting a reason to yes and and kind of a specific yes on oh well if you district st medicine does that yeah we would go to that and i think that's a big deal and i think that started i think that kind of growth into a positive relationship started because we asked the source from the beginning and we just never stopped so that was a year later in which would be middle of twenty sixteen so where is your district st medicine as of today as of today it's still operating i was on a temporary one year contract for twenty sixteen which ended january third of this year and i was the sole staff support for that project i'm also the founder so i'm kind of the resident historian too which has proven to be helpful over the last few years and so my contract is done so right now the project is all volunteer it's it's students that are volunteering their time some students get academic credit but some but most don't so these are students that are already have a full time course load and these are students that are trained to be doctors and nurses and social workers that's that's a big deal that's a lot of takes a lot of capacity so these are students that are sort of giving really their last literal last few hours of free time to this project because they believe i with faculty there's no real designated faculty or paid faculty supporting this project we do have a number of supporters that are volunteering in a faculty way but again they all have full time jobs they all have other things going on as well so they're devoting the last few hours of time so capacity has dropped dramatically since january third and our funding is is precarious at this point we last year the temporary funding that i had was for my salary we did not have an operating budget we've never had an operating budget we rely on student energy community energy donations but as far as you know the financial side of things we don't we don't have financial support we do have some potential options for the coming year but it is unclear whether or not those will come through and be able to support the project and in a financial way university of washington did some financial support for you for last years i correct yes university of washington for twenty sixteen put together a temporary one year contract for for my salary for soli my salary and that came through the department of community engagement relations on a campus  and a small contribution from the school of social work as well that was when my contract started i was told that that was going to be one year temporary and there was not going to be any change with that and that ended up being true  we did i was also at the beginning of my contract tasked with finding funding for the following year and that proved to be a challenge there was the first  months of early twenty sixteen of sort of navigating you'd been kind of figuring out you know in this what they call a centralized decentralized funding system finding who has authority to raise funds how you go about raising funds what is the protocol that was pretty tangled nest to untangle and took about three months to kind of figure that out midway through the year we started kind of pushing forward to funding to sort of meet that fiscal year for last year and right around that time we were told that we were not doing it according to protocol and we needed to stop we needed to stop our funding processes at that point so after that what we did is we went back to you and said ok well i said my contract is done in six months it's going to take a little longer than six months to sort of untangle this particular situation would it be possible to to fund us for another year or at the very least another six months just to get us through the next fiscal year so we have that capacity to keep pushing forward on funding it took about three months we presented to the health science board of deans back in august and were supposed to get an answer in september and ultimately didn't get an answer until november and the answer was no so we're kind of back in the same boat that we were this time last year on figuring out where where the project lives within the you deb infrastructure and how we can continue to find ways to support it either internally or externally at this point i don't i don't know how they're going to do and didn't the university of washington just begin hosting tent city three at their facility it seems odd that they would cut off funding for your program and then start a new program you know with a university that's so well endowed that it would appear that they could handle both yes this this is the question that i wish i had an answer to on why these two ships are passing in the night because the start of winter quarter which was the start of you hosting tent city three for the quarter was january third and that happened to be my last day so really was two ships passing in the night on on a topic on on an issue that is really current in relevant here in seattle really current relevant in the district and very relevant at the university of washington so so it is a bit ironic and strange that they are supporting tent city in the way that they are while not supporting existing projects i think it's kind of that classic reinventing of the wheel it's a strange way to do it and i am curious to see what you deb's commitment to the homeless population and issues around homelessness both on a social and medical level will be after tensity three leaves in march we're also of course looking at the university district which is facing a major gentrification coming from both the city as well as u w each having their own plans for bringing in a phenomenal amount of high rise buildings and and associated people without so what what have other i know your original model was based on believing as detroit st madison have there been other universities that have done similar projects to yours yeah there are and that's another thing that's interesting about kind of where this project is at we we made contact in that first year and and kept contact and building contacts over the last three with multiple street medicine projects there's this street medicine model that is not uncommon on a national level there are many street medicine projects all over the place detroit street medicine one street medicine kansas city i mean there's an international international medicine institute i mean these are all over the world as well and then there's kind of the subtype if you will of a street medicine learning clinic in a university setting franklin rosalyn has one c san diego has one vanderbilt has one there are many many schools that have it and that was another kind of trying thing with this is this this was not you know a couple of students that had a radical idea and wanted to see if we could shake up you deb i mean that was part of it but this this model and ultimately the model that you just extreme medicine is is backed in research and is backed in support and consultation from other  street medicine projects both academic and nonacademic all over the nation and that's that is something that students i mean on the on the community level it's all it's obvious in a lot of ways why that is important you know engaging with the community that you're in is always a positive thing to do for for yourself and others but this this is something that students gravitate to as well as a learning experience what i heard from students for the three years that i was with you to extrude medicine was that they wanted there were two things that they were really they really felt that they were lacking in their curriculum and one was the hands on experience the actual kind of learning by doing and learning in that supportive environment you know kind of learning in real time essentially and then there is the piece on kind of the relationship building  bedside manner there's a lot of focus as there should be there's a lot of focus in curriculum on sort of the technical aspects when you get into health sciences which is important you know this is health care these these are people you want to make sure that you're not going to you know hurt somebody technical way but there's a lot of there's there's not a lot of focus on being mindful of not hurting people in a relational way and students really wanted that you know they weren't feeling across the board in the health sciences including social work which is usually us as social workers that's usually relegated to us like oh well that's a social workers job to kind of build those relationships and you know do that support and do that sort of navigating type thing which is true that is part of social work but that really is part of health care so when i was hearing from students that this is not what they're getting in their curriculum and when i was hearing from social work students that this is not what they're getting in their curriculum that was really a call to action for us because i because i personally think that you know having a trusting compassionate and real relationship with your health care providers increases your positive health outcomes and that that is my opinion but that opinion is also backed and research again you look into social determinants of health  you look into health outcomes and there are there are direct connections between relationships with providers and their patients and those positive outcome so yeah it seems that instead of defunding or not renewing the funding for your program that it would be especially appropriate in this time in the climate here in both nationwide and in seattle especially that this would actually be instituted as like as a premier program at the you know i could see this as a as a degree street medicine you know actually yeah and we  were in the process last year we were in the process of building that out and you just took street medicine was a practicum or internships site for both graduate and undergraduate public health and social work students and those practicum students loved it  with your district street medicine being a kind of a new start up sort of fledgling project that didn't really have a home there there were some you know negative and challenging aspects to that but there was also tremendous learning for that there was because we had students both on practicum or internship track and volunteer that wanted that relationship building direct service experience and they got it but there was also students that were in arrested in a different agenda forward and it was a tremendous learning opportunity for students to be able to navigate that i think if we had continued support we'd be able to build that out more one of the things that the project is working on now is opening a pro bono physical therapy clinic again with our real time needs assessments that we've been doing over the last year and a half almost two years being out on outreach we saw and this was something this is something that has not been explicitly stated in different places that are providing health care even in seattle physical therapy you know it's kind of a practical thing  is you know if you're sleeping outside and you're sleeping on the ground and you're carrying all of your possessions on your back and so on and so forth that's going to wreak havoc on your body you're sleeping in this cold weather you know it's going to wreak havoc on your bones so through the again the relationships and kind of the real time needs assessments that we've been doing we saw that this was a very pressing need and we have and enthusiastic backing from the rehab medicine department for that expansion so that is and we're we're planning to partner with crisis couple church there in the u district for that so again keeping that community focus and keeping it in the community and working with existing partners that have relationships you know i'd love to see that thrive  and another thing we could build off is those practicum opportunities again social work and public health students had the opportunity to do that in the last year but this could be a clinical rotations site for for any of the schools if we were able  to be supported in that expansion your sense for how many students a university washington or homos i remember hearing about a year or so back it was actually a phenomenally high percentage i was shocked but i can't remember what it is off the top of my head you know i can't remember what it is either but i know it is pretty high i think that's going to get higher as the gentrification in the u district continues as as the up zone continues i think a lot of students are going to struggle with that because a lot of the larger houses and things that are in the u district are going to go away we're already seeing that and the rent is going to be affordable it already is  that was another great thing about you to sixty medicine is we attracted students that had experience with homelessness either currently or in the past i'm one of them and it was it was a gift to the project and it was a gift to the students it was a gift to the students because they felt like they had a home you know the university while it is there is a large number of homeless students that's not in the grand population of the you'd have student body it's small and then with continued stigma around homelessness specially in an academic setting you know it's not something that you necessarily shout out on your first day of class or anything so it's folks that are kind of not struggling to find a home in an academic setting and you just heard street medicine was great on the relationship building side of that  yeah i i'm sorry i'm getting the static here about you know how how how how we made a difference at university of washington and and how we did help certain homeless students because again i had a home i had a student who was formerly homeless who told me you know this this is the first place that i felt comfortable at since i've been at the university and that was a big deal because you know that felt good for us as a project to be able to provide that support and internal way and in you know with the student body but what she bride and what other students brought that had experience with homelessness was a different level of compassion and a different level of work those were the students you know we didn't just learn from faculty we didn't just learn from community we learn from our students too and those students that had that experience were a tremendous asset to the project and the other students learning but they were tremendous asset to the community too because they they got it and they were able to connect quickly and were able to pass on how how to do that and that's what's neat about these academic settings or having a street medicine clinic in an academic setting is  you know some of these students will graduate in they'll stay here in seattle and they'll do great work here other students will go across the country or they'll go you know to another part of the world but you know the education experience that they received your street medicine on that community level is something that they can take anywhere so this this this is an opportunity not just for healthcare in seattle or not just for university of washington but this is an opportunity that really knows no b know sounds like amazing work you're not only healing those helping to heal those on the street healing those who are involved but healing the rift between those who live on our streets in the university tourist district and university of washington seems like a win win weird are pretty much out of time how can people find out more about university district street medicine and support your your work sure we do have a website it's u d street medicine dot com we are also on facebook we right now are  university of washington department of medicine through the service learning department so you can contact the advancement apartment there it service learning in your medicine you can donate there and the best way to contact us fi is  time once again for community form and we're very lucky to have back with us live in studio this morning jim page jim page is a seattle based musician songwriter activist busker you name it  gigs this summer that is with the parks department and involves like a sing along and people bringing their instruments to play along can you talk about that yeah it's very very cool actually what we did was we got a grant from from the city from the you know office of arts and culture who had partnered with the parks department to do these things and we proposed doing this series of little events there's four of them in which people would teach songs sings songs and invite people to come along and jam on them and play i mean there's so many people that that would if they could or would if they had the opportunity you know but they don't have the opportunity and there are plenty of their all these parks up there that people are not gathering and doing music and i've been jealous for years of what happened in you know washington where park  out of mole of the point is there are four of these and i did the first one and i sang i had a little repertoire of songs maybe eight songs or something and people brought guitars and they just came and they sat some people didn't participate but they were there others sang along i handed out lyric sheets to chords on them people could you know i'd sing the song then we would practice the chords of the got in the right place so we basically had a group saying and in between doing that i would ask this is just what i did i would ask people if anyone had a song that they wanted to do and some people didn't other people didn't so it became this community thing it was it was a blast i  didn't know what to expect but it was great i really had a blast doing it and everybody else enjoyed it too so that was the first one the second one happens next saturday it's the thirtieth and it's and tate born and she is a local blues singer and harmonica player she's very good she's been around for a long time and she's going to be there with her mom with her guitar player partner and they're going to be doing the guy just sent me the song titles i think there's like eight songs or seven songs or something and i don't remember off the top make of it just on this morning but you know they're going to doing those and probably again asking people to join on in it it's a group thing it's a group thing so you come out you bring your instrument or just itself you learn a song you sing the song you play the song and it becomes this community thing and we can use the parks as community gathering places i mean to me that's a radical thing to do is singing in public in the parks is a radical thing to do to me you know so when i'm there you go there and there's four these all together i did the first one like i say and that's doing a second one after a net in august august thirteenth there's reggie miles who's a fabulous  that's in september they're all from noon to two so they started now and they go to so it's two hours and weather permitting it's a lot of fun and i really encourage people to come to you know so next one is this next coming it's just behind well anyway it's pretty it's really easy to find ballard commons park yeah and there's kind of an area there with picnic benches and we bring chairs it's just a lot of fun i really really strongly encourage people to come it was a blast everybody had a blast doing it you know and it's amazing how much music and community spirit people have within them that you know doesn't come out until there's something offered like that so you know that's what i'm saying come on out and do it right and a sing along kind of reaches back to that kid and all of us oh yeah it's corny but it's great man it brings us all together you know i mean i started doing this thing a couple years back  shows by doing a freight train and i would introduce it as you know this is the logical alternative national anthem you know because it was written by an eleven year old girl who became a servant in washington d c it's now part of our national repertoire everybody knows it everybody can sing it it doesn't have any pompous verses there are no there's no war in it there's no bombs are exploding you know tree our tents or anything it's just it's silly little kid song and then i would sing and tell everybody sing along and everybody's like everybody's smiling you know somebody's laughing and when you're done doing something like that people are like automatically kind of friends almost it's not truly because they did and i mean part of her life is that losing a part of her life as a teacher she ran the blues in the schools program or was one of the people that ran it for like ten years or something up on the north and you know she was married to curly cook  you know the great guitar player until he passed away not too long ago so she's she's got a lot of musical experience and depth in her and she did the blues in the schools project where she would get high school students and they would learn to play drums the bass the guitar the harmonica whatever and then they would learn songs and then then they would perform them at the school you know so she knows what she's doing and she can get a group of people to come out i mean this is a serious deal it's not just the person who got off the bus and walked in the park she you know if you know that you do it come on out you'll learn the song to see how they're done not only properly but in an open sort of a sense still that you can come in you know nobody has to be somebody else that's the whole thing about the blues or song in general is that you be yourself you know be somebody else you know pretend to be somebody else you know you be yourself it's alright to be yourself that's what it's all about so you come you bring it is to mean if you don't have one we're going to have a couple of the ladies there she's going to bring up things some harmonicas that she's got extra ones and just see what happens you know and prepare to have a good time intern something you know you walk away with a song that you can sing you know it's better than that i'm not sure there is anything better than a fix of either and speaking of being yourself and walking away with a song not yet sure for at least twenty more  sand and based musician songwriter activist busker you recently said in an interview that quote if i got in front of people and said some of the things i sing about people would walk out quote oh yeah yeah right i know those songs are a great and wonderful tool and that's true what i said i know what i'm talking about most of the time anyway but i if i can put it together in a way that is artistically stimulating or interesting or colorful or word plays or the music or something like that people will actually you know they'll be more consideration than they would if i just came out and said it you know if you wrote it into a play that plays work that's my movies work novels and so on and so on you know so i mean it's part of the art is communication is talking to people not driving them away being with a club or something you know i mean sure if they're breaking into your house you gotta drive away but you know you're on your street corners or something like that you know try to talk to him you know that's part of the reason we're alive i think you know which coming back to this is part of the reason that this whole thing in the parks is so interesting because it is a communication skill you know the whole song thing is a can i learned a long time ago you know i was your typical angst ridden it's a german that guitar saved my life man i mean i was a mess i have no idea what i would have wound up if i would have wound up at all if i didn't pick up the guitar it saved my life it was a conduit to social circles to you know girls to parties to something other than staring at myself you know and doing whatever that entails drinking or drugs or some whatever you can get out of some long dark tubes if you don't have them to hang on to this gave me some to hang on to you know and then i started playing out in public and i you know first you learn a repertoire and then you learn what songs do and i learned what songs do by getting by winding up in seattle and having the last folk club close and what i have to ask what was that folk club called the d m z it was in fremont it was open i don't know the name of this i don't know the names of any streets anywhere in the world never have it's downtown it was right downtown anyway and i think i played there twice maybe and then a close a thought and i went across the street and i just you know it was the first time i'd ever done it so i was kind of you know i was a neophyte but i talk my way and pass a doorman i want to introduce myself to the band can i play the song during the break bit out of the great idea the rock bands are very open in ways that other forms of music generally speaking are not at least that was my experience and i fell in love with i when i was in love with a john or anyway even though i don't play it and i don't for my own reasons one of which is portability i don't have to bring any gear with me you know and i can really bang on the guitar and get it you know it feels like what you hear it's different it's a different different thing but anyway that's sort of all that's sort of whole thing where one thing led to another and i found out that if you saying about what is concerning people they will listen to you and if you don't well then you're just another you know person out there doing a lot of songs or songs about the weather or something or you know how you feel today and so now i'm going to start judging you on your voice and on your guitar playing you know i'm not a great singer and i'm not a great guitar player but if i can i wanted so i wanted to do songs with gravity because of the song and i learned that what a song can do if you write about what is on people's minds so one of the things that i did at my music sing along thing in the park you know getting back to that last last month and i don't know what and that's going to do i have no idea going to be there but i know what you know but one thing i did when i got everybody and i fell into this accidentally a couple years ago at a festival road doing a workshop i got everybody to sing and play along on good night irene which is another song that everybody knows you know has three cores in it dead dead simple so we're all singing it and you do the first couple of verses and then the next time it comes around first time i throw it out somebody make something up and to the point is everybody can do that you have to if you have to do the initial you know jump in the cold water things but you know dive in the swimming pool you have to do that and then you have to not look at yourself i seen this many times or people do brilliant it's ok the the verse of good night everyone is four lines ok and they'll do a brilliant three lines and then choke they choke because they look at what they just said and how do i make that smart don't think just go do it i'm not thinking now when i'm talking to you you know i'm thinking when you're talking to me we think in general terms in our mouth works and we follow what we say and that's how you make up a verse it's the same thing chere rhymes with hare speed read with need you know book rhyme just look everybody can rhyme something so you don't think  go and it's a really interesting thing i we came up with some really cool verses you know out there you know when there were people that didn't do anything and there are people that that sang things that didn't rhyme that's cool whatever you do is cool you got to start somewhere but that's how you come up with something and to me it's a great it's a great instructional tool you can't build a new culture or a better world if you don't if you don't start there's a great chinese author named lucian who wrote a story called waiting for a genius i mean it was really even a story it was a one page thing but it's brilliant and it's all about how people never get anywhere they sit around waiting to get smart waiting for someone to come along who knows how to do something just start you figure it out i remember when you know when bernie sanders was doing his campaign there and people were saying you know he wants to break the back big banks but he has no plan and i'm like you just start you figure it out somebody is going to know how to do it somebody is going to come to the campaign who knows how banks work better than he doesn't say this is what you do or knows that the law works a lot of people were following what he did somebody in that group knows how to do it don't wait start now anyway  changed the lives helped change the laws and can you briefly touch on that and maybe we've been yeah it was a lot of fun to do it was i was threatened with arrest for saying it on the lower pike street in seventy four in the mid afternoon you know and i it was true it was illegal it everywhere and see i looked at the pike street market which was a special zone it's like an historical zone or something and they were quite you're out of this out of splaying it but it's a specials on so they had buttons they would give you and you could say long as you were in the market you w fine a friend of mine got actually got taken to jail for leaving the market and singing like on first avenue or something whatever it was took him to jail and it was an old law who knows where it came from but it was on the books and it the cop felt like he needed an extra something or he was  angry for whatever reason you take it out on you so there i was in that i was taking it out on me and i thought ok well i don't have time for this nonsense so i ran down to city hall and i started to find out what i could do because i couldn't get a permit there were permits available only for  it my ideas ideas did you know so i went into city hall and i went up to the mayor's office which is the logical thing for a guy like me to do is go to the mayor's office you know start small you write so i walked in and then whoever i talked to laughed at me and said you know want to be here you want to go to the city council to talk to randy revelle they sent me down there randy was in charge of public safety ok so so you know this through the public safety issue randy was great he was really really cool and he's retired now and he's live in somewhere in town i think magnolia but i'm not sure but anyway he's a really nice man and he really really was a really good supporter he took me on and he gave me he arranged for me to have a permit special permit to play in one of three city parks and one of them was the zoo it was the waterfront park freeway park and the zoo none of those places i would ever play it absolutely off my radar but he was going to work with me so i was going to work with him back that's how i looked at it and that's how i do a lot of things so i played in a zoo it was fun i mean you know i made fifty cents on the average but it was fun you know to go in there and play for a while and then we had a city council meeting i got the who was on the p r at the time dean patton who was on the university daily you know so i got my support together i did a lot of public stuff radio t v whatever i could get and then i had the city council thing that we organize all or randy organize an open city council hearing ok so i made up flyers and i put them all over the windows of places where i played in the bars right play and so on and in the flyers said jim page live at city hall you know whatever the date was over the time was put them around the place packed out it was fabulous like a gig and i wrote a song for it it's not a very good song had a good point to make but i wrote it real fast for the thing so it didn't last i don't think i played it more than twice singing in public in the parks when you're singing in public you're not having secrets when you're talking in public you know having secrets busking street singing singing in the parks group singing is the opposite of secrets and i'm not talking you  know party singing or the national anthem is one of them talking what's on your mind singing and that's a busking if that's what's on your mind singing that's what singing in the park says it's on your mind singing that's the opposite of secrets so we had this city council meeting i sang my song you know on the council voted unanimously to overturn the old law to have became part of the city code so i was legal so it's the bike market still does the permit thing because there's on special area and again i don't know prediction i don't know what it is but the rest of the city is open you got to use your stance you don't set up in front of somebodies shop door you know you don't set up right next to someone else is already going out all this kind of stuff it's just common sense manners kind of stuff and then you find you know in that law was exported to did other cities pick up on that well you can't export a city law you know you can well inspired by a yeah yeah probably i know they did something in page and friends music can jam sing along coming up this next weekend continuing this next week and next saturday july thirtieth continue with the net table in at ballard common park commons park twenty second avenue northwest and north west