news stories today are the snowstorm that's in the midwest or the looming federal budget cuts but judging by local news there's apparently an even bigger story that sweeping the nation right now check it out well if you filled up  back on the rise you know we got to tell you that gas prices are half the price you don't need to tell you oh hello sorry war we love it right blowing stuff up watching people suffer and die it's exciting i mean violence domination retribution and other attributes of this competitive warring fascination clearly dominates our media with films television and other expressions constantly glorifying and reinforcing this gesture of conflict in fact it has been found that by the time an average kid reaches the age of fourteen in the west here she has sleep quite well at night while our military forces routinely invade slaughter and steal from other nations at will as of course all global empires have done historically with this time global civilian death toll well over one million in the past decade alone many of them women and children and yet the same american culture shutters in horror and confusion when some dude stumbles into an american schoolyard and randomly wipes out a couple dozen or so  i ask you by what measure do we differentiate importance when it comes to the down the different groups of people what makes us so special while history is certainly full of zina phobic racist were good and nationalist concedes which have served as convenient justifications for external dehumanisation subjugation and imperial power abuse rather unnoticed a profound scientific truth has also emerged today every person on earth can trace his or her lineage back to the single common female ancestor who lived about two hundred thousand years ago or so my toe conduit she is now called proving indeed that we are truly one family likewise the planet earth the habitat this family shares it knows no division it is a unified synergistic system at every turn fully connected it is no idea what a nation or a politician or a racist is it has no notion of any such human can see for that matter for division simply doesn't exist in the order of nature by which we are on invariably subject mark twain once wrote man is the only patriot he sets himself apart in his country under his own flag and sneers at the other nations and keeps multitudinous uniformed assassins on hand at heavy expense to grab slices of other people's countries and keep them from grabbing slices of hi in the intervals between campaigns he washes the blood off his hands and works for the universal brotherhood of man with his mouth you know while we all love to give lip service to the idea of peace and collaboration holding up icons such as gandhi and martin luther king jr something underneath the surface is clearly holding us back yes we know for a fact that if we took the total war budgets of all the nations on earth tens of trillions of dollars over the past quarter century alone and applied that energy producing capital towards creating an advanced intelligent efficient system of earth human management not only would poverty and most deprivation be removed from our lives on the global scale our progressive capacity to create build an improved rather than pillage seek and destroy could catapult the human family into an age of prosperity never before seen just imagine if we took say america's pentagon or britain's northward along with all the world's advanced military centers kicked all the army freaks out ok i'm sorry i didn't mean to be harsh i guess we have to do something with them maybe we can just take them on place them in the grand canyon and just let them beat the piss out of each other and hopefully they'll get it out of their systems and move on i don't know we'll figure that out later so we as the intelligent mature human family now interested in improving the lives of all we use that incredible technology to help assist true developmental progress imagine if the manhattan project which harnessed about one hundred thirty thousand people mostly scientists and technicians was dedicated not to building a bomb that could destroy on a scale never before seen but rather utilizing that collaborative drive to solve true global problems perhaps those very problems in fact which are causing the interest and war to begin with today the hyper glorified romanticized obsession with competition advantage and conflict has made it into almost every facet of our lives not only do we declare war against virtually everything that annoys us war on drugs the war on poverty the war on crime the war on terrorism the war on cancer you name it we also apart from the near constant nationalist wars live in a perpetual state of common war or class war where we battle each other on a daily basis for unnecessary economic survival and delusions of status the fact is something has been set in motion that keeps us all in a multi level war path something in our psychology and sociology is constantly pushing us into justifications of these patterns and as this episode will argue that something appears to reside at the very foundation this just in the president has finished an emergency session at the white house where he announced that the security focus of his administration will be moving away from the global war on terror instead focusing all available resources against something the administration has deemed a larger threat to u international security than anything recognized before nature itself the newly declared war and the true nature will be usurping funds from the department of homeland security affectively replacing it with a new department the department  of i think i'm reading this right and the science it rode in on that's correct summer the administration has already appointed the head to this new department the c e o of monsanto corporation satan himself when questioned regarding concerns about a possible conflict of interest of the new appointee the obama administration responded monsanto's reputation of challenging the vast power of this intolerant bullying force that goes by the terrorists name natural science holds great potential for our victory we feel if anyone can take down these insurgent laws which restrict our god given freedom it is the professional experience of our true lord and master the prince of darkness we've just been informed that a press conference is now underway with the pentagon spokesperson answering questions we now go live to the white house as the president said earlier the greatest barrier to u s interests has been a constant state of offensive interference by this rogue network nature has been forcing its will against our freedom for long enough our economy our values the american way of life it's not negotiable either nature concedes to our interests and stops terrorizing us with its hatred of our liberty or we will be forced to destroy it next question hi joe from l a times don't you feel it could be a bad idea to move against a force which has historically never been overcome or even phased by human action also i understand nature has given a set of demands which if met would cease many of its counterattacks as the administration consider just meeting these demands listen joe we don't negotiate with terrorists and yeah i've seen nature's demands full of queer communist propaganda such as balance and sustainability and even demands that we shut down o infinite growth consumption economy to make way for something where we are to be slaves to some oppressive and natural regeneration respect listen i didn't spend thirty five years defending this country to have some metaphysical terrorist group with science on its side ruin what has made this nation great now for the question when we think of war we usually think about gun wielding soldiers tanks flame throwers fancy metal on earth and other theatrical yet when we step outside the theater digging deeper in our examination of the world around us we find that war is actually a state of mind a reaction driven by some type of competitive condition and if we had to classify the different levels of large scale competition we might end up with two broad categories imperial war and class war imperial war otherwise known as national war is when an aggressor nation decides to invade some other nations justified by some form of perceived threat back in the day this threat often appeared as purely ideological with religious groups battling it out to make sure they were well in the mildly more literate scientific world today the threat is more often than not pitched as direct to each of us you know such as say a rogue nation getting a nuclear weapon to blow up your grandmother's bingo tournament  or perhaps a crazed state funded hijacked or crashing a plane into the top of us regardless in virtually every historical case the justification for war put forward for public digestion has always been far from the truth you see there is indeed always a true threat but that threat has little to do with the vast majority of the population instead it is a threat that bothers only the highest echelons of the social hierarchy and the leaders to upper class self preservation based around a loss of broad power and control i mean when was the last time the citizenry actually cried out for war it doesn't happen only the politicians go and since the establishment would be hard pressed to explain to their citizens that they are going to invade some nation for its natural resources currency domination and maybe the freedom for transnational corporations along with the there are generally economic concerns to secure the interests of the upper one threat of attack iran's nuclear and ballistic missile actively poses a real threat not just to the united states but to iran's neighbors and our allies in the words of fame to sociologist thorstein veblen writing to nine hundred seventeen any warlike enterprise that is hopeful to be entered on to must have the moral sanction of the community it consequently becomes the first concern of the warlike statesman to put this moral force in train for the adventure on which he is bent to see a large part of the imperial war as the psychological war against the domestic citizenry itself the us government spends billions of dollars every year on public relations and recruitment alone producing signs like this one for our nation for us saw it was a mere does that sound like orwellian double speak if it's for our nation then it clearly isn't for us all as the human species is the closest thing we have to all if it's actually referring to all of us in the nation when i would be hideously redundant right i think what they mean to say in this warm loving community slogan is for our nation screw the rest who have given their lives in war as there are always two sides this true honor comes from a position of working to help others not exploit and just as we hold the bravery of a firefighter who enters a burning building to save a child in high regard the intention to help society through military service is indeed a noble gesture sadly enough ninety nine percent of those who enter the military such noble intentions are more often than not being exploited for the criminal purposes of the corporate stood still you have to be impressed by this skill to give credence to an idea merely because of the nature of its presentation in fact whether it's akademi the news media government itself the military or anything else in society our culture tends to believe and respect people merely because of their presentation confidence and rhetoric not the actual meaning or reasoning of the communication itself did you know that the first television sets of the nineteen fifties were actually supposed to be used as prosthetic replacement heads to give new hope for those who had been tragically to capitated but technology weight and cord length being what they were at the time it failed luckily they could play other things besides the faces of the deceased and t v set sold nationwide and it's all true you know why because you heard it from some guy in a tie in the end once the traditional propagandized allusions in defense of the act of organized human murder and resource theft have been overridden dismissed seen such shallow justifications as paternalism honor and protectionism we realized that war today is actually an inherent characteristic of the propertied scarcity driven business system major general smedley butler one of the most notable and decorated officers in us history stated the following with respect to the business hundred thirty five i spent thirty three years and four months in active military service and during that period i spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for big business for wall street and the bankers in short i was a racket a gangster for capitalism i helped make mexico an especially temp safe for american oil interests in one thousand nine hundred eighteen i helped make haiti in cuba a decent place for the national city boys to collect revenues i helped in the raping of half a dozen central american republics for the benefit of wall street i helped purified nicaragua for the international banking house of brown brothers in one thousand nine hundred twelve i brought light to the dominican republic for the american sugar interests in one nine hundred sixteen i helped operate his racket in three districts i operated on three continents so given all of this it's unique how the general public tends to separate the day to day competitive business ach human from the severe form of competitive violent warfare when there's very good evidence to show that they are deeply interim matched to gain some perspective on this we now welcome back our resident guru louis the logic gremlin before we get to the questions i do have a letter  the read and get your opinion on it reads dear peter i really enjoy the new show i think it is helping get these important messages across however i'm disappointed with the crude louie the logic gremlin character as it is just irritating and hideously stupid also would you please stop eating when you are speaking in the show it's really disgusting and annoying rock on joe i'm sorry joe all right so what's the skinny on war man aren't we just crazy animals that have to be an endless conflict with each other do our biology or something if they're go but peter josephs i'm the only thing that we don't have is like a war on something is a war on war and i think that's because like i was peace activists we don't want to fight so we're going to end up losing to do the final thoughts how do we think about resolution to something as detrimental as national war when on the micro level we in society actually praise reward and reinforce the same basic underlying competitive drive generally when faced with such a question people tend to play the morality card as though a matter of degree is what's relevant not the philosophical basis itself and usually this vague distinction is gesture to the effect that competition is good but we should never go too far and be violent in any way so then of course the question becomes what constitutes violence what if instead of physically attacking you directly i put you into a subtle yet deeply toxic addition where your life was shortened b your heart disease cancer mental illness and other such consequences would that be considered violent and what if such intentions were not even directly malicious such as a lower class desperate single mother forced to work three jobs to keep  fails one night to provide proper supervision for her child resulting in the death of her child i ask you what is the true origin of the resulting death and does that qualify as violent to paraphrase mahatma gandhi poverty is the worst form of violence you see the real war going on is not as obvious as many think the real war exists in the very structure of our society itself something public health officials have now termed structural violence a war in fact against public health and balance itself constantly produce seen casualty after casualty and its hidden oppression and this form of violence today kills more people than every type of directed behavior of violence put together its origin a social system literally built upon competition and exploitation and so for all you noble activists out  all of you who pile into protest zones each time a new national war merges and yell at the top of your lungs keep in mind that you are only targeting a symptom of a larger sociological problem and until the activist community realizes this i'm sorry to say your protests have no long term consequence as they did not address the root problem but on the bright side it's still great entertainment right so let's keep watching this bizarre human experiment certainly the greatest good worst reality show of all time for sure i'm peter joseph and yes i like you am an agent and victim of a culture yes excuse me i'm sorry but when you get into that could you just introduce yourself and tell us all remarkably reporting and don't know if there is a little bit of a bio here i'm sorry i'm with the web site geo engineering watch dot org  michael murphy and myself there's a few of us that are part of that site have a background with bechtel power corporation in renewable energy worked on one of the first solar commercial solar plants in the continental u s my home was on the world's largest renewable energy magazine that's how i got on to this issue i'd been told about it but it was frankly very skeptical and when i moved to northern california expecting clean air with it with a very large completely off grid home and started to lose  some days fifty sixty seventy even eighty percent of my solar uptake from these intermittent grid patterns clearly something was wrong something was going on this guy quickly came on the subject geo engineering and my life has been on hold ever since over a decade prior to this i ice my area of study and research was climate change and the atmosphere and that of course tails right into this and so this is off the the majority what i've done for the last ten years not a battle i wanted in any sense but one i just simply felt if it was not stopped nothing else would matter i feel that more than ever today and if if on the temperature anomalies we see  i'm sure everybody's seen these wild swings in temperature and it's it's very apparent now they're doing massive manipulation with the jet stream in conjunction with the aerosols and my conclusion on that and we can go into here in a minute because i like that best anyway but i believe that the planet is in full blown meltdown i'm not an al gore fan i'm not a carbon credit fan but that does not change the reality on the ground  is appears to be from my research the largest single causal factor we've been not very kind to the planet i don't think anybody can argue that one but but geoengineering is by far the largest wrench in the works that appears to have triggered climate feedback loops one of those feedback loops is methane expulsion which appears to be completely released or triggered at this point and that in conjunction with the shredded ozone layer certainly a result of geo engineering we are in uncharted territory and that the methane explosion is not a century long event it's not a decade long event that happens over the course of a few years and it's all available data case it's happening now and this is a global game changing event and the paradox is again geo engineering appears to be one of the largest single causal factors the largest causal factor because humans during alters wind patterns along with harp which then alters ocean currents now we have ocean currents that used to turn south from the atlantic before they went into the arctic now they go straight into the arctic that's part of the reason the methane hydrates of thawed shredded ozone another reason they've thawed and so has the methane releases many people might have heard the methane is twenty times more potent c o two is a greenhouse gas but in fact that's over one hundred year time horizon over a ten year time horizon it's over one hundred times more potent so the magnitude of this cannot be overstated and the reservoir this releasing the siberian shelf of the arctic spray in order to cover up the damage they've already done it's painting a straight into a corner but it's all they know how to do that's all there they're geared to do it's that's what their money making bonanza is so anyway i i feel at this point and i'm going to q and a here in a second that that we are really at the apex here and the temperatures are changing radically there's temperatures in some places in the arctic right in the last thirty forty five days that have been fifty degrees above normal and there's huge swings there's other areas that have been blown over like alaska but it just depends on where their ice nucleated which if anybody doesn't know what that is it appears that almost every pursue potations vent now is being ice nucleated that's chemical nucleation it's a chemical process by which snow can be created it according to the patents we have up to fifty degrees we see the same thing happening on the ground should be snowing at those temperatures obviously but as this nucleation process continues it appears to cool the air mass below it temporarily in the northern california we had temperatures as low as twenty degrees below some two to three weeks back not far from where i live and now we're  pushing eighty degrees and same thing glad a little over a week ago a lot of georgia was eighty five degrees snowed three days later people should really question this obviously and the nucleation process appears to be their last card we don't know what's in these chemicals we're seeing very anomalous snow that stays frozen and the ponds that are packed with the stuff that stay frozen long after freezing temperatures are gone the chemical nucleation process appears to continue on actually gassing some of the water out of those ponds they're doing over siberia right now is completely buried in snow the radar we can see them ice nucleated you can see what was a rain cell that flashes out the snow is that's it's got this they now are in total desperation trying to cover up what they've helped the cause and now the stakes are as high as they could be and even to to put this in perspective the arctic methane emergency group a may get the acronym lot of geoscientists there can call jarrod is one of anybody's really with his name but their latest proposals to stop this methane are to use the ionosphere heaters which are the heart facilities around the globe and try to use opposing frequencies to nuke the atmosphere and in a desperate and completely destructive attempt to degrade the methane before it completely saturated the atmosphere so this is total desperation mode and i think that we're all in for quite a ride from here but i my belief from all my research is that if they don't stop geoengineering if they don't allow the planet to respond if they don't allow the hydrological cycle to resume quit poisoning the boreal forest quit shredding the ozone layer they don't allow the planet to respond and so and i believe are our future looks bleak indeed i mean it was just a couple months ago i first heard about the methane issue i had never heard that before and could you explain how that works to people who never heard about that i think a lot of people  completely around the neck of geoengineering i mean we certainly have done great harm to our planet but that being said it does appear that geo engineering is the single greatest causal factor again there are certain issues that are crystal clear scientifically geoengineering particulates shred ozone period there's absolutely no debate scientifically about that fact we have massive northern and some of the southern hemisphere ozone holes really all available data points toward geo engineering being cause not c f c s not close for carbons but geo engineering is they've been at this for about six decades and that's about the time the ozone holes really southern hemisphere started develop northern hemisphere shortly after and  so you have more of the sun's thermal energy penetrating the atmosphere now you have although they can create and they do with between hard maneuvering the jet stream and the ice nucleated particulate and the simple blocking of the sun they can and do create massive cooling events over huge areas but it absolutely appears to be at the cost of a much worse and overall warming so it truly is cutting your nose off to spite your face and as they alter as i mentioned earlier they they alter wind currents which alters ocean currents now you have warm water going to the arctic methane is the greatest source of carbon that has the potential grease in the atmosphere bar none and this one reservoir alone in the east siberian shelf is thought to contain some ten thousand gigatons of methane this is frozen methane on the sea floor if only sixty of that ten thousand gigatons release that would increase by four hundred percent the total greenhouse gas to date only sixty of that ten thousand so you can get an idea of the magnitude of that if any significant percentage of that reservoir releases it's it's game over on planet earth so i don't think they can hide this for long it's changing temperatures by the day and i think they will try to spin geoengineering into some last it's evolved and it's important enough people understand it's not a curse so that when they try to sell this to us people will already know better but that's how the methane is released it's been happening for many decades bermuda triangle that's methane release not aliens and this is when these methane fields release it areas of the ocean water as it reaches the surface and it actions are acidifying right now at breakneck speed so this is a multi edged sword and none of it good ok so so to make this simple for people there shredding the ozone layer more sunlight is reaching the methane depots or these men reservoirs and then the methane is being released causing a further heating which is then increasing its acting like positive feedback and just increasing the whole cycle is that basically right in that show yes but it's more the sun's thermal energy is not necessarily direct sunlight because again global dimming right now another term many are not familiar with is fully twenty percent on planet earth that means over the last five decades twenty percent of the sun's direct rays no longer reach the surface of the planet again a result of geo engineering so i mean the amount of decimation being caused by geo engineering it can't be quantified again it's reading the ozone altering wind currents releasing methane poisoning everything that lives the boreal forest which are the lungs of the planet the northern latitudes forests siberia the pacific northwest i mean i i spent my life in the forest and i think about it looks absolutely horrific i just came in part of making this call and the that's not being harmed by geo engineering it is harming everything but the sun's thermal energy rus again it's not always in the form of direct sunlight it's like a coffee day on the beach you know you can still get sunburn and and another part of this feedback loop is the arctic ice cap many people the global warming debate rages on and it really should not although there is a small section of antartica that has in fact increased the sea ice slightly and that we fully believe is from ice nucleation case of the arctic ice cap it almost completely imploded this year media is not covering this and during most of the milk season the arctic ice cap was losing one hundred thousand square kilometers of surface area a day near the end of the season the melt season it was one hundred thirty thousand square kilometers a day not expected to last more than two or three more years no ice again back to the methane instead of the surface of the ice reflecting ninety percent of the sun's thermal energy now the sea absorbs ninety plus percent of the thermal energy so add that increased absorption of sunlight from the open sea water add the ocean currents that are now delivering warm water as the increased thermal energy from the sun from the shredded ozone bad mix bad or domestic would immediately be put in the same category as those that they claim did the false flag you know whether she were the enemy false flags do not happen very often but when they do they change the paradigm we operate in we all see how the world has been changed forever after nine eleven before nine eleven we would not have put up with such a loss of privacy and a wast of liberty much less a decade of war looking for weapons of mass destruction or manning caves those weapons of mass destruction got to be somewhere in iraq i feel the decks are cleared for the next big event historically false flags or military nature but i feel going forward they will morph into something much worse every system built on debt needs constant debt to be created or the system implodes if the criminal expand the debt system through asset bubbles then all is well but what happens if they can't get more debt created they need to either steal other assets to provide capital for the system or they need a reason to create massive debts that the masses will sacrifice for wars do both with war the criminally can confiscate the natural resources of other nations and provide the context to create massive amount of new debt our paradigm is failing and there is no fixing it there's so much inequity built into the system at every level the only answer is for a complete collapse this collapse would leave a generational scar so large that humanity might never consider again fractional reserve banking or the war machine it enables until that collapse the criminal equaled do what they have always done create more debt and more wars the criminal leads see their power paradigm collapsing on its own cancerous self a silver default debt ceiling doom dollar collapse peak oil or whatever leads ultimately to the end of the anglo american petro dollar financial paradigm  american only might need to pull off three false flags in order to fail forward this might include the typical military false flag an economic all of the ag in an informational false flag these dramatic measures will seem necessary to the criminally and the horrific toll on humanity will be justified in their minds this is sidle up he will be time for the criminal lead to settle all the threats to their power paradigm much like the end of godfather one the first of the three threats to their power is the death of the dollar the dollars the basis of all the criminal  eats power without it or an equivalent of it they have no means to create debt that enslaves nations states corporations and citizens of the world this debt money provides the criminally an unlimited checkbook to fund the world's most powerful military that controls the world's natural resources so that their corporations can harvest them it also protects the shipping lanes the transports the rest of the world's trade this debt money also buys political power for which the elite rigged the game in their favor in finally the criminally use their money to own all the major media in order to distract the masses from the real problem in the world the debt based banking system and the paradigm and finances it is no secret that the dollar's going to die it is a mathematical inevitability nothing can stop the ultimate collapse of the dollar our monetary system is based on debt and in order for it to work more debt needs to be created every year in excess of the debt and interest accrued the year before if it does not happen there will be a massive wave of defaults that would suck the system dry in a few weeks the elite don't necessarily care if the dollar lives or dies they just want to control the world's currency they would ultimately like to have a global international currency that would be far away from pesky national politicians so if the dollar's doomed how can the criminally fail forward they can create a financial crisis so incredible that desperate people would beg to make the pain stop they did this in one thousand nine hundred seven to set the stage for the federal reserve they did this in two thousand and eight when they held up america for seven hundred billion dollars they will do it again and use the line of stability as the main reason why we should accept their new corrupt plan i don't think that they go pull off something this large without a much larger distraction to silence the masses the only thing big enough to scare the masses under the protective hug of the elite is another world war this war can put an end to another threat of the current world order the anti had human not anglo american nations like china russia iran venezuela among others have been gaining an incredible amount of power i call these group of non anglo american powers the anti amman as they have no uniting idiology race or religion other than standing in opposition to the head jemmett power of the anglo american empire the anti head human nations have so much to gain from a retreat of the anglo american empire from the world stage countries like china russia iran venezuela india and many more to a lesser extent like japan korea germany and france have been on the losing end of the anglo american empire for over a century these nations have a history of anglo american losses like the cold war opium wars operation ajax the cia attempted coup of chavez british colonization of india apartheid hiroshima the closing of the gold window by nixon and waterloo these are only some of the examples the anglo american elite have used in the past to ensure their supremacy the anglo american elite have used every form of deceit to change or cheat the rules in pursuit of royal domination i believe the most likely event for a military false flag will be an american ship sunk in the strait of hormuz supposedly by the iranians in order to understand this it is imperative to understand the petro dollar after nixon took the dollar off the international gold standard anglo american only devised a way to back the dollar with oil without going into too much detail the plane was simply for their air partners to raise the price of oil dramatically and only sell their oil for dollars they would then recycle all of those dollars back into the anglo american financial centers so if you ever wondered why the arab nations that called us the great satan gave us all their dollars you now know why the iran tehran ians opened up their oil bourse in two thousand and eight to sell their oil for anything but the dollar an attack on an american warship would be exactly what dick cheney plotted to do in two thousand and eight before he left office here's an insider's account of that meeting from the americans but that that's the kind of that's the level of stuff we were talking about provocation i don't you think that it necessarily being american that pulls off this attack on the american ship if you look at who's been pushing for a war with iran the most it is israel and the that got us into the last war they proudly talk about how they get us to fight their wars here's a clip of israeli president benjamin netanyahu talking about their secret weapon but i'll tell you one thing unlike america israel seems to be able to fight wars very quickly what is your secret because we don't seem to have the hang of that the secret is that we have america i mean america the point is that  if you think that that was just a slip please look into project for a new american century or the one nine hundred sixty seven u s s liberty incident where unmarked israeli planes attack a nearly sunk most decorated ship in our fleet with the purpose of getting the united states to attack iran which leads me to conclude that if in fact conference is not coming that the traditional way of america gets to war is what would be best for us interests some people might think that mr rose don't want to get us dale you provide the prose poems provide the best and may i point out that mr lincoln did not feel he could call out federal army until four something was attacked which is why he ordered to do exactly that thing which the south carolinians had said would cause i'm tac so if in fact the iranians aren't going to compromise it would be best if somebody else started the war one can combine other means of pressure w sanctions i mentioned that explosion on aug seventeenth we could step up the pressure i mean look people iranian submarines periodically go down someday one of my not come up who would know why it's just sanctions has to has to succeed or other things we are in