exciting to to kind of dive in to the music festival industry and for people to kind of understand that they're you know is this whole new movement really in the past five to ten years right around music festivals and it's it's a subculture and for the old people watching there's you know it aligns with like the old days in woodstock but really most everyone now would say burning man yeah ok i get it right so so talk to me about farm fest is five years old it's it's one of the the leading music festivals on the east coast i remember we've known each other for a really long time i remember five years ago you saying i really want to start my own music festival so tell me about that tell me about the dream in your heart and how you got it actually all started back in like two thousand and twelve a couple of really close friends of mine we got together at this coffee shop in downtown clinton and you know there was a bunch of like friends of ours who are painters and you know acrobatic performers and musician up and coming musicians and from you know like live music  our you know our our interest in that and both life music and you know the experimental electronic music and so you know when we all got together and we we sat down and we it's called the transformational festival because it has a lot of the attributes that like a bernal have like a bird the burning man they have like you know the twelve principles of yeah yeah just like you know radical self expression is one of the i'd say the strongest points of like a transformational festival because it's about getting all of these different types of artists together and getting them to create for that one weekend as the festival starts in the beginning there's really not that much you know there's not that much display about as the festival goes on over the weekend you start seeing more art being developed and more are being developed and more and it's like a living are it's like real time art it's happening while all these things are happening with all these people together and i remember two years ago big art mural with  was really really neat yeah i remember somebody else who just needed piles of dirt because they were doing something with the soil and planting and teaching people about that aspect and then things like essential oils yoga reiki which is kind of a healing remedy and mean just a lot of different life components than just than just the art music yeah  bottle and they have you know all of these philosophers and you know scientists that come out there and teach and ted talks will ted talks lightning in a bottle just to show the skated it's a it's a it's like a whole you know it's like the outdoor school now you know i mean getting getting your information out there you know from from you know outside sources reeducation right you know that everybody needs to go back to school again you know and people is school yeah you know because but it's funny because you see all these people that are like you know from there you know from there like you know their job they're in and you know the nine to five job they've had you know realizing that later in the that they're like i want to do something more you know i mean i want to i want to be creative again you know like i want to be able to go make arts and you know enjoy and live my life and have that creative aspect and yeah and a normal you know and and have a free area to just you know create and and and communicate and and i met with other people connect yeah which i think people are kind of sorely missing  meeting that connection and i definitely see that you know especially with this festival people that have been coming for four or five years now and this will be their fifth year i you know they feel almost a sense of ownership to it because you know maybe some of them have their little bands from years gone by and you know they'll tell you this was a great year and you know it's cool our symbol we had the hands made up  it's like me and you know the designer of them was when we came up with that you know our whole thing was like connecting how do we do that you know the what's what's our ideology behind you know and  you know that was the symbol that we made you know people everyone loves that they like respond to it so well they're like no way said it two hands together like this yeah it's like two two hands like holding holding each other and yeah and the  geometry behind you know because like we are technically all made of you know tiny you know adams you know and we're all waiting and you know yeah together and creating a pattern and and you know that symbol is really crazy but just how powerful it's affecting people that like i mean we there was one there is one person a patron who has been going to our festival for the past like three years some like that posted on instagram that he got he got the tattoo he got it tattooed on the inside of his arm and you know he was like i know i won't be there this year but i want you to know that you guys are you know how you guys are with me and in fact yeah because of you know just the high end of emotions that go on when you're connecting and dealing with you know many different people you know in this industry you know can get really stressful and you know there's always just little things reminders to keep you know me and my crew going and i tell people this too you know and you know it's because the whole process of setting i was very you know uncertain you know a time soon and then  know being on the road and been working working these events and he told me he said what's your what you're making you know what you're creating is people are falling in love here you know people are people are making memories here that will impact them for the rest of their lives you know it's just crazy to think that in one day you can have something that could change the rest year like you and and just in that you know it's not just hey we're putting on the show you know and such just so we can see it's not just a weekend getaway yeah it's a it's a weekend get together yeah bring together yeah like you know there were that point yeah you see coming out like knowing that you know like when you're trying that you're there you're there to better yourself you know and to have the experience yet you know or in any which way that you know because like you know as human beings we are skin like we don't even have the same skin after you know that i think it's seven years or something like that yeah your skin is not the same anymore as you're really not this is you know you're constantly evolving everyone is is  transforming in their own way and there's a so many people don't realize that you do need to invest in that and in that you need to be conscious of that and that doesn't just happen you need you know you need to put your time in your effort your commitment you know and your your your consciousness your presence to that because too many people i think they just fling themselves in life you know and they're not and they're speaking about the impact of their these in these environments you know like it's therapeutic you know because you have people who in these can you know in the transformative community people are very people  part of this culture per se because i'm an older version but they're older you know i mean that was this this culture is created around you know the grateful dead you know in the woodstock movie but it was the premise like even you brought up some of the more meaningful components because i think people here that don't understand kind of the undertones or you know the underlying foundation to some of the credible dime you know the everything but oh did head stoners you know they really like there's a concept there's a there's a picture that goes with that but there are underlying tenants to this that even with it was all it's all just it's all rooted in with it you know it's all of the hair and love and and respect for one another and you know some of those twelve tenants of burning man they're tavist be conscious and to to to have the people there you know recognize and have respect for one another and have respect  forest and they have all of these like our installers and acrobats and and and and entertainers and performers all coming into the forest and setting up amazing like late show displays and and you know that's a really yeah it's a really impactful event it's been growing so so large every year but it's that it's funny because these there's a lot of these major festivals you know that are reaching their limits right now and so eighty thousand people and when i think about the demographics which is what i was gonna mention for is and all of these you know these people that are coming out of college right now and trying to discover and figure out what kind of pursuits the you know what they're  exactly and these festivals are great avenues for people to taking network and to and to connect yeah and also to connect with with themselves to you know and it's done even just the bigger share but seeing the sea you know the same people that are see each other that didn't know each other before farm first two years ago let's say you know i know there's a need to go there for the third fourth year yeah it's like a happy reunion know that's you know that's just super cool but you know not to not to mislead people to believe that it's only kind of this subset and that you  the billionaire burning man so i mean these are folks that are mall time all time millionaire slash billionaires who are going to really have this incredible innovative environment and where they have these day form different business connections they are stablish ing new business ideas like all cars in that same festival environment like a it's like a renaissance that's that's happening that's just like you know it's it's people like  and because of that as well like it's you know it's these like you know you know does this executives that are coming in that are that are that are that are you know having these transf environment you know the festival transformative environment is all that a lot of these fine for our son are becoming artists and then becoming their own self creators you know in a way they're they're starting their own businesses they're they're opening their own clothing lines they're you know making their own artwork you know and they're finding themselves and they're finding says debility and doing that yeah you know and in keeping that aspect a part of their lives and being a and well yeah i mean i mean again i think it's all just about opening up that that creativity and for some of the larger festivals whether it's bringing on or all of her you know some of the the larger you know they have the glam thing i mean you have people who are again multimillionaires that are camped out for three days you know they may have a souped up r v and they're camping out in but you know they're getting into the experience and just the whole the whole that that moving forward we can find a more peaceful well call it is definitely into you know make in packed on people's lives you know when when you know when the festival happens that we want people to be absorbing information and you know a time to reflect on that and you know and also you know reeducation of you know what's what's happening in our world and  can how we can make it a better place yeah yeah that's really right that's really really it ok so let's talk artists real quickly so who are your headliners we have a duo there coming  the duo it's like they're like a funk almost electronic style to their music and then we have boom box which is like you know very very funky still to has a lot of influence from you know grateful dead music mickey hart sun ok and actually the drummer for the grateful dead his son place in the in the group and and then we have savoy which have you know we have we have bluegrass hoglan gundy they're based out of colorado and we have we have to wait in the call they're very like rhythm and blues