over stone for his soft treatment of hitler and upcoming documentary books movies and media have repeatedly told an official story of the holocaust that no one can deny six million european jews were systematically exterminated by nazis hitler was pure evil there is no rival to jewish suffering some european countries even have holocaust denial laws and historical story ends and a catholic bishop have been of the official story and the lesson of the holocaust it is my pleasure to welcome dr you room saturday moral politics welcome but thank you of inviting me again how does it strike you it's a little bit ironic even that you can deny god but you can't deny the official story of the holocaust well this is an interesting thing because in any subject historic subject least yeah and it does demand that you really fully appreciate what this official holocaust story is not everybody maybe has been educated and informed about it and your idea what is the official whole cost story well what we think when one thing i would like to see have been ng is that when we mention the word the holocaust we just don't assume that it's only related to one particular group of people at one particular point in time but that's a good that's an implication of having an official core stories that pretty much slanted towards being a jewish tragedy jewish horrendous experience which indeed it was but exclusive only to jews yeah this is this is one thing that i think should be  somehow looked at and most of the t v that is the suffering in camp or yeah that is more recently the suffering in bosnia and rwanda and we don't have to we should remember the continuous suffering of the palestinian people unfortunately by the very people that suffered of the from the holocaust as we know it and you know the list goes on we can talk about the armenian holocaust that is denied we can talk about we tried to do that before and probably extermination camps not necessarily criteria for a whole cost because we have so many examples of holocaust without extermination camps oh absolutely yeah if you're going to do a crime to someone it doesn't really matter what  going to use it's like i am now the number six million it's often repeated it's become the official story is that six million european jews were systematically exterminated and that's terrible absolutely but is the number six million important  though i don't think it matters at all i think at least and my religion and and other religions too killing one human being for no reason is just as bad as killing the entire humanity so the number is immaterial it's a tragedy and it should not be minimized that is and we have talking about it is my hope that we learn from it and make sure that it doesn't happen again although it seems to me that actually we are not learning good enough well you know the nuremberg tribunals after world war two investigating the nazi atrocities never such a number six million was not officially designated by the number of drug tribunals at the time it came later that's also  memorial museums that are in part or almost wholly paid for by the taxpayers twenty five whole coast museums that are dedicated to the suffering of european jews not american that apply to the gypsies to the roma people who also suffered at the hands of the nazis well it should but unfortunately it's not happening and like i said it's amazing to me that the very people who suffer  really memorials to world war two we don't have a memorial to the american indians we don't have morals to whack americans who absolutely suffered horrendous treatment for both history that is not even the polish the american if it apologize to the black people it we're talking about memorial museums we should not commit the american indian either who suffered oh absolutely absolutely you know it's important we look we try to find these lessons of the whole course and we look at the implications of having an official holocaust story if there is some exaggeration if there is some propaganda involved or isn't it a disservice and this treatment to the germans today they almost are born with some sort of original sentiment for for a whore that other than just leave it there with him and a lot of people have lives that is profit and politics that is causing that exaggeration now you you mention that you should be able to tell the story and let people hear it and learn from it but do you realize that in europe go to jail this is unprecedented there is nothing else that is protected by law at least no history that i'm aware of it's protected by law this is this is one of the things that i think a little in the long run could undermine actually the with some aspects of it i think by doing that it's very much like the spanish inquisition unless you believe in what we are saying the way we have a saying it then we would have been new at the stage like it's just a strange and it never happened before and to me again  it's going to undermine him that tragedy and also the listeners that come out of it what you mentioned earlier that there might be some guilt for not doing enough to stop all the suffering and all the holocaust man nationalities are more were to and it seems to be those countries that were played a part in the holocaust austria germany of course italy belgium that have these  vang denial laws and they all have a common gross minimisation and it's always seems like it always protects the jewish people so that even in those countries with whole issue of scholarship and free expression maybe maybe i don't buy the whole story the whole official story of the holocaust but i agree that there was terrible terrible suffering and that there's an important lesson from it but maybe there's some findings or maybe there's some issue here maybe we can really know how many jews there were before the war and after the war some people have really taken issue with the number of survivors of the holocaust it seems like that number gets larger as time passes for the people who were behind those laws but i think in the long in the long term remember that history is the final life history is never finalize which in egypt for example with a history of five thousand years and  there such strictures around looking into what happened to researching it that it has to be a certain official story of the holocaust and not accepting most people certainly are free not to but most people accept that there was a lot of tragedy for a lot of nationalities certainly european jews brings this brings to mind the end frank story you know there's controversy surrounding that it seems that may not be well i know to i know that the holocaust official story played a big role in the un mandate that brought israel into existence so there was a lot of political machination lot again having the official story and again we want to distinguish between the fact that there was indeed suffering it was not exclusive to the jews but indeed they suffered along with the russians the roma people and so many other victims of that war including the german people who are  on the arch zionists an american billionaire got his crosshairs on filmmaker oliver stone for daring to do a documentary that is soft on hitler and also addresses this russian suffering that it was greater than the suffering of the european jews six million versus twenty million if you want to start banding numbers around and we agree that numbers themselves and that was certainly it was horrific what happened to the russians during world war two and yet it didn't please an american zionist billionaire who is going to get this man and it's so ironic that it was some national feeling or something i don't think he could have made people feel something that they didn't feel it in their feelings of course he had a lot of propaganda going on there too he was also finance said by big american corporations that at the stages of his eyes to power you know when we have this discussion and we talk about yes there was definitely tremendous suffering of european jews russians the germans themselves the roma people that were the gypsies did have the home well absolutely it did not mean extermination of the palestinian people or pushing them outside of their homeland like today most of the people who support israel blindly say that the palestinians in the west bank is something that actually jewish historians themselves out of doing but unfortunately they are punished sometimes like the lamp of a he was expelled the from the the only democracy in the middle east because he had the guts to go back and the question the history of the creation of the follow them that although what the zionists are doing is inconsistent with the teachings of the torah their jewish people are still supposed to support them because they are inadvertently bringing about the will of god now isn't it ironic that norm think will stand the writer and also the writer both talk about the preoccupation with the show that whole mindset that kind of gets really lived by jews today  it feels to me very much like inquisition but it's so ironic that one of the most powerful military forces on the planet and one of the most successful ethnic groups certainly in america the jews standing and ok by jewish people in palestine itself we've been talking about an official story of the holocaust we're not going to deny the holocaust by oh absolutely not and we were talking about that there is a lot of the  the listen is applied correctly but we're not sure why is it that there it but it's open in that they don't have to pay a dear price of having to leave their country that they're not targeted by a billionaire blacklisted that there isn't this inquisitor that we see in haim's  in and really tackling this it's delicate but important topic it's a topic that doesn't get discussed it's a popular people are not really permitted to discuss nobody's denying the holocaust we're looking into the in taking out of that in that investigation the real west in the holocaust doesn't repeat again thank you very very much for your courage well thank you for inviting me thank you