my name is kevin ryan and i'm here to talk about the official conspiracy theory of september eleventh in particular part two of that series the end i s t world trade center report i think it's important to go through the detail this will be a lecture that is very detailed and unfortunately a little bit dry sometimes but i think it's really important expose the falshood directly point by point i've been given to us as an international am again i'm not kevin ryan i'm a former manager of underwriters laboratories i was actually the top manager at that uls water testing division so i'm not an engineer i'm a chemist but i got involved with this because of communications made to be me both verbally and in writing about u s involvement in testing the materials related to the world trade center buildings and honesty is a government agency they report through the department of commerce to carlos to tears who is a member of the bush administration and their director also and president presidential appointee so that means that this report actually is a product of the bush administration and it's what some people call bush science if you don't know what and i asked he is it's the national institute of standards and technology let's talk about bush science a little bit and a lot of criticism it's not bush league science it's actually worse than that bush writes in an open letter from sixty prominent scientists including twenty nobel laureates they said the bush administration had been deliberately and systematically distorting scientific facts in the service of policy goals and union of concern scientists said that they found a serious pattern of undermining science by the bush administration and finally the house committee on government reform said they found numerous instances where the administration had manipulated the scientific process and distorted or suppressed scientific findings so keep that in mind as we go forward also a few things to keep in mind we're going to start with a little bit of history before we get to the n i s t report and we will talk about the preliminary reports that came before that but a few things really we need to keep in mind of no tall buildings have ever collapsed from fire but on nine eleven we're told there were three in what david ray griffin has called a reverse truth no building exhibiting all the characteristics of controlled demolition has ever not been a controlled demolition additionally ninety nine point seven percent of the steel evidence was destroyed despite outrage cries from the public and fire experts and finally more than a year passed before a full investigation the end i asked he was the first full and investigation done there's an elephant in the room by the way if you don't know that it is not stephen jones demo remember some things that we don't often times remember and that is there were a number of experts these are just two out of quite a few that pointed out that the collapse of these buildings looked very much like a controlled demolition clothing mike taylor of the national association of demolition  contractors an interesting person ronald hamburger who ended up being can be a contributor to both the fema and i s t reports he said it appeared to him that charges had been placed in the building a very important thing to remember is none of the official investigations ever really examined the demolition hypothesis i don't think any of them ever thought to even consider them a listen demolition hypothesis so little bit of history there were some early support for the official story from so called experts who said that jet fuel fires and not to the steel it's recently been said that those crazy conspiracy theorists are talking always talked about the  fires melting the steel that's somewhat true in the fact that the official conspiracy theory was supported by these people the b b c scientific american nova video a couple of professors from major universities all told us that the jet fuel fires melted the steel some other major media sources talked about temperatures which are very high and as far as i know none of these people have apologized to but just to get this out of the way and still melts it approximately twenty eight hundred degrees fahrenheit will stick with the with the unit fahrenheit throughout this lecture and jet fuel fires burn the maximum properly fifteen hundred degrees fahrenheit unless in a special combustion chamber and even at that just a few hundred degrees higher than that it's important to remember that gas temperatures are not steel temperatures steel temperatures in a fire actually lag behind in time and in magnitude of the  temperature from gas temperatures and thermodynamic calculations which by the way i start as i know none of the official investigations ever did but i've done in other people have done show that the steel temperatures in the impact zones could have reached a maximum of six hundred degrees fahrenheit so where are the real experts there really are no experts because these are unique events there's a long string of unique events on september eleventh our nation's air defenses actually don't stand down terrorist don't come back to life after stealing our freedoms and tall buildings do not collapse from fire that's the history because these are unique events there are no experts to tell us about these things and there's certainly no experts to tell us why all of these things could have happened on the same day but there is always an official explanation for terrorist terrorism and it turns out and you may know there are a lot of disturbing questions about the oklahoma city bombing reports about multiple explosions  eyewitness accounts of needed bombs in the buildings f b i confiscating the videos and not releasing them and experts saying that could have could not have been done without demolition but the official story stuck with one guy and one truck bomb and they found a small group of engineers to support that story with a report you know let's get to that there were four official investigations of so called investigations into the claps of the world trade center the first was the american society of civil engineers which evolved into the fema building performance assessment team their report was released in may of two thousand and two and another very interesting report which i think people should keep in mind is the silverstein why doing a report which was released in october of two thousand and two and we'll talk more about that finally the n i s to report which we will go through in painful detail shortly here's an amazing fact that apparently chris emery wasn't aware of and initial american society of civil engineers team sent to the site to tell us what happened at the world trade center and the pentagon matched person prefer the person with the engineering group they gave us the false report about oklahoma city gene corley charles norton paul my car met a sow's and we're all the four engineers who gave us the engine or report about what happened in oklahoma city they were also the four of the eight initial people that were sent to the world trade center in the pentagon to tell us what happened there in any case the only things these events have in common are terrorism one one the concrete building the other still building one is a bombing the other is a fire so you know the a s e e says there's one and a half million engineers in the country you would think there would be a little few more available to tell us what happened on terrorism ok and they started with pre determined conclusions for sure  that once the jets hit the building that the world trade center would collapse and it did he he just as it did he just didn't know when it was going to happen he said charles laughton again from the oklahoma city report saying we all know what caused the collapse very early on and shake our nair who was and then i asked he contributor said that already there is near consensus as to the sequence sequence of events that led to the collapse of the world trade center so these guys apparently knew exactly what happened and i don't doubt it he who cleared the decision to recycle the steel later saying had he known the direction that the investigations into the disaster would take he would have adopted if different stance but i'm not sure what he thought it was going to  investigation they got they were allowed no access to blueprints they were not allowed to ask for help from the public the team members were threatened with dismissal for speaking to the press they had no access to the steel until the first week of october and it appeared that fimo was obstructing their investigation well one way to solve that is just to allow fema take over the investigation and that's what they did to mix the investigation expanded was named the  pat after about a month a couple of interesting characters who were added at that time were john gross from and i asked he was a history of oil and gas work theresa mcallister from green horn and o'meara a major defense department of defen contractor and several other government contractors and all these people kind of followed along throughout all of the investigations he was amazingly consistent the people who were actually involved in all these different reports fema took over proximately million dollars was allocated from different sources but only one hundred thousand was spent by december not the same time the president was telling us it costs a lot to fight this war and his state of the union address we're paying a billion dollars a month for it so we had spent by the end of the year thirty thousand times more on the wars than we had spent on finding out why we were fighting a war by january was called a half baked farce bill manning of the fire engineering magazine has a famous comment it's a half baked farce dick cheney had called the senate leader tom daschle and asked him to limit the scope and overall review of what happened and president bush went as office to reinforce that message meanwhile berkeley professor working on a national science foundation study hedrick got himself access to the steel he incredible he was nice to the people at the scrap yard and they let him see the steel and of course he was working on national science foundation study he said the impact did nothing to this building so now we know the column did not fail it was a failure of the floor in most cases so he was very impressed by how little damage the planes had done to the columns in particular and he i think kind of assumed that that meant that the floors had failed there were some comments made around that time that made you think that that the engineers who designed the buildings were designed them for airplane impacts but for no jet fuel fires now that's kind of crazy i don't know how the planes would get to the buildings without jet fuel but eduardo households who contribute to the end i have to report and my old boss his boss's boss loring knoblock the c e o of underwriter's laboratory both of them said similar things so who would do this who would design of these buildings for aircraft impacts but no jet fuel fires well the answer is not the world trade center's design engineer these towers were designed by a man named john skilling and had this to say in one thousand nine hundred three when asked if he considered the plane crashes and his design so five years before his death after the first bombing of the world trade center he said our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all  building and he went on but the boat building structure would still be there so the guy who designed the buildings said the building structure would still be there ok he had a lot of confidence in his design these are some pictures from the construction of these buildings on the left you can see the towers going up and actually the core which is essentially itself standing core went up first and then the perimeter of the building went up around that the core columns here this is a cross section of a mid level core column where these super massive columns they were typical construction grade steel but there was just huge and they went up forty seven columns in the middle and around them were these super strong columns because they were made of super strong steel sixty five thousand p s i two hundred thousand p s i steel really strong steel and all these columns were were strapped together by what are called so they formed a web this super strong web of steel and a lot of people talked about the reason that the planes could hit the buildings and not cause a problem because it was this web in them and the forces would just go around the hole they would just be directed around the hole by the palms in the spandrels and that is what happened so what about the fire and the question is where is the fire on the left you see that madrid windsor building in february of two thousand and five there was a similar fire in venezuela  two thousand and four and these fires burn for twenty times longer they burn like torches and neither neither of them and many others have never suffered global collapse whereas the twin towers really had relatively small fires in them and this is seen from a distance but i think we all know that relative to major fires these are relatively small so what did the first investigation come up with this was reported in a nova video it's the floors collapsed and then the columns buckled outward because they weren't allowed not excuse me laterally supported the final report actually came out the next month and that the verbiage was a pancake type of collapse of successive floors but that wasn't enough for ever reason that wasn't enough of an explanation and i asked he began their drafting their investigation in two thousand and two june again their the national institute of standards and technology their first meeting including public comments and interestingly enough who were the public gene coralie richard thomas eddy sanker nair and other contributors to the official reports at the time gene corley made a curious comment three times he said look at the floor connections you know so he really thought this time it was the floor connections that fail ok get your heads up it wasn't the floor connections this is really interesting the about temperatures and fires one dash six about the explanation for the actual collapse of the towers one dash seven which covers the world trade center seven which hasn't actually been completed yet but these people were all authors th theme reports ended up being authors of the n i s to reports and that's curious because the explanations are quite different this one is really amazing i like this one this is october two thousand  silverstein widely report was intended to provide information for the insurance claim that larry silverstein was making coralie unthought and thomas any engineers were involved of course the report results were that there was no floor failure of any kind he was calm failure only which directly contradicts the fim report that had just come out five six months before and no video and most other experts in my opinion speculation the floor failure would have indicated design failure and the only thing i can think of is that would lead them to only being being able to claim one event anyway it's  but you have to ask how did they know and they said what's what happened and we've got so many stories you know the first story was a towering inferno just kind of various experts telling us crazy things the fema report came out saying floor failure and silverstein whiling or report came out contradicting that same column failure only and i asked he's got a report that's kind of a kitchen kitchen sink theory it's what i call the tin rat i really believe that's what they intended and we create this huge report that nobody would be foolish enough like myself and others to actually there's a lot and in it so that demo wants to stick his head  again here and point out the characteristics of demolition demolition i believe you got this from david ray griffin and jim hoffman but i don't know that their friends who are ten or eleven characteristics of demolition all of them are supported in the twin towers and building seven by photographic evidence and eyewitness testimonies so we get to the report in a big report this is the part two of the official conspiracy theory it's forty two sub  ports and ten thousand pages it's only for the twin towers still so it's growing like other it's like others it's focused only on the political story they never considered anything like demolition and again th largely the same people as fema question i asked was did they use the standard since they didn't national institute of standards did they use the standards for fire investigation that we have there's at least two areas where i know they did not it's important in section six five to remember that conflict of interest should be avoided and i asked who used nationalists and contractors who were dependent on government contracts were on the official story itself section it's a part that i haven't read but i've gone through a significant part of it so our forecasts our focus today though is to look at what they told us about collapse of the buildings and what should have been done to prevent that so goals  three of their four goals and we're going to look at an iced teas approach in their final story they had five methods that they told us they used to investigate and they have a sensually seven steps to their collapse the so the five investigation methods were a through the review of documents interviews with eyewitnesses analysis of steel laboratory tests and finally computer simulations which you might find they relied on a little more heavily at the end so did they review the most important documents in my opinion they did not and that they reviewed many of the important relevant design claims that have been reported in the mid sixty's when the buildings were first being talked about no they did not so far as i can see if they were if you fire resistance test data the columns and the floors for tall buildings have to be tested for fire assistance by a company like underwriters laboratories but you know those documents came up missing and then they review skilling's fire resistance analysis that he talked about no those documents also came up what were the original design claims i'm talking about the first ones i just kind of a general one it says the world trade center towers would have an inherent capacity to resist one for seeing calamities for the perimeter columns live loads on these columns can be increased more than two thousand percent before failure occurs and finally they said one could cut away all the first two or columns on one side it's on the bottom where the load is very heavy and part way from the corners of the perpendicular sides in the building could still withstand design live loads and one hundred mile per hour wind from any direction that's quite a claim and we're going to get to that so were the world trade center steel components tested for fire resistant and i asked he said they found no doc in the documents but yet they also say in the report that the buildings were rated as class one b they actually said the buildings were designed as class one  but yet finally grade of this class one b mainly for the sprinkler system one b does have three hours of fire resistance for columns and two hours for floors so if they have that rating certainly they must have some documentation underwriter's laboratories chief executive officer told me that you had tested the steel to the new york city code this would have been forty years ago this testing it would have occurred before any of us had worked there and the port authority says there are no test records in our files well if the steel components the columns or the floor assemblies had been tested for fire resistance as they should have it would been tested according to a standard called a s t n u one nineteen that standard is where these components are assemblies are placed in a furnace and and that furnace is brought up to a high temperature according to time temperature curve in this case two thousand degrees as the target and as many as eight hours is used the way they do it is that for a floor and we'll see a little bit of pictures of this they'll create a furnace underneath the floor where it's fireproof and then though in the test when the top the the top outside of the furnace has reached a certain temperature and then if that took one hundred eleven minutes then they'll give the the rating of one and a half hours if it took fifty eight minutes like it did for one of theirs they give it three quarters of an hour because it didn't hour so what were you else comments on testing the world trade center steel this is a little bit more about my story in september of two thousand and one loring knoblock you will c e o told our staff in south bend at least i'm sure he told many others that you had certified the steel used in the world trade center he told us we should be proud of how long these buildings had stood because of that and the member of two thousand and three i asked knoblock in writing about us involvement and he responded in writing in december confirming these details he said we tested the steel with all the required fire proofing on and it did beautifully he said if we do not do follow up service on this kind of product we can give an opinion only on the test sample which was indeed properly coded he said we test the code requirements in the steel clearly met those requirements and exceeded the as time went on they change their mind on that and question is are is our public safety guardian lying to us in august of two thousand and four they tested models of the and you'll see pictures but the floors were barely affected they they did sag a little bit in certain spots they did not collapse and lori knoblock resigned that same month i can't say they're connected but it is interesting in october of two thousand and four the report update which was supposed to be their final draft was not their final draft showed up and i question that the next month in my letter to and i asked t you well quickly backtracked one of my questions became public saying there was no evidence any firm test of the steel i was on the front page of my local hometown most newspaper this is this is what they told them they played only a limited role in the us investigation afterwards but prior to that they had been right in the middle of these activities ok what was so let's review of documents what was and i asked his performance on interviews and i asked he played started planning for eyewitness interviews in april two thousand and three which was seven months after the investigation started and nineteen months after september eleventh so not very timely by october they still had not done any interviews and more importantly they could not even get access to the new york city interviews that had been done right after september eleventh and this is a federal investigation so new york city finally agreed to allow and i asked to access to their original interviews by december of two thousand and three and you can read about this and i asked he's world trade center web site they have a flow of announcements public announcements so they finally allowed us to look at the interview it's great but only in the new york city offices which is familiar because the nine eleven commission ran into similar types of things where they could only go to certain offices they couldn't take notes couldn't make recordings ok so similar i won't read all these but these are some of the eyewitness interviews that then eventually did come out after the interesting report came out that talked about charges on certain floors secondary devices they thought it was an explosion we thought there was internal that that nation just like when they demolish a building of course these go on  seems like when they blow up these buildings so it looks like implosions explosives synchronized deliberate kind of thing and these are the eyewitnesses that were brought into the report how about analysis of steel well we we talked about most of the steel evidence was destroyed via a decision by richard thomas seti charleston's partner but two hundred thirty six samples were safe for testing which is zero point three percent and i asked he did some tests on these samples first most important and informative test they did with something called a paper paint deaf or mation test where they showed that despite pre collapse exposure to fire less than two percent of the samples showed temperatures above four hundred eighty degrees fahrenheit i did another test of steel microstructure which showed that none of the steel samples reach the critical half strength value not as informative but still good enough that with six hundred degree celsius i don't do the calculation interesting and i asked to comment before and after these still analysis results for the steel temperature analysis regions of fire impact of impact and fire damage were emphasized in selection of the steel pieces after steel temperature analysis in their final report they said none of the samples were from zones where high heating was predicted iraq comes back how about the laboratory tests they did a couple of important laboratory tests well important that they did them not not so well in terms of how they did then they did tests finally at the very end slipped into some results in september two thousand and five song they had shot fifteen rounds from a shotgun to prove that the fireproofing had been removed they did some work station burn tests which focused on the gas temperatures again not steel temperatures where they actually doubled the average amount of hydrocarbon fuel being added they use something they called over ventilation which is forcing oxygen into the fire zone and they breached certain temperatures they were looking for apparently and then the laboratory test that we talked about the u s floor model tests have valuated the pancake theory thank you theory again is something that was well described by man style their own the company that erected the steel in his friend of charles orton goes back to that comment from charleston he said i could see it in my mind's eye the fire burn until the steel was weakened in the floors about collapsed starting a chain reaction of gravity test a little bit and use less fireproofing than was known to exist in the world trade center one you may know that the fireproofing was being upgraded in all of world trade center one eight hundred floors the eighteen floors involved in the fire zones had been upgraded quite as much fire proofing as was originally on there and a new kind they actually then reduced the fireproofing even further in their tests they went from three quarter inch which was present in most of the floors in the south tower and then down to half a half an inch for some other cars these what they called maximum load which means they applied double the weight known have been on the floors they even say this in the report and in a different section that they say we took him for didn't collapse even though that double and they had loaded all these concrete blocks on top of these floors huge vats of water you can see pictures in the report it's just it's really amazing i believe that is part of the test but still they didn't they should have talked about that a little more clearly can only find it in one small part of the report and he the floors according to a steamy one thousand and look for as i said the top of the floor to reach a certain temperature i believe in this case it was three hundred fifty degrees fahrenheit they were looking for they thought the unexposed to the surface that was not being exposed to fire when it reached that temperature they should they shut down the test there's no floor collapse and there are clear comment is the result of stablish that this type of assembly was capable as to st sustaining a large gravity load obviously without collapsing for a substantial period of time relative to the duration of the fires in any given location on september eleventh ok again and i have to comment before and after before the test they said the test will determine the fire rating of typical world trade center floor systems under both as built in specified conditions after the floor test they said the investigation team was cautious about using these results directly in the formulation of collapse hypotheses and you can be sure they were cautious finally they did some computer simulations and ultimately this is what they relied on these computer simulations had input parameters that could be tweet on several occasions realistic parameters were tossed in favor of more severe parameters in fact i believe throughout the entire computer mo animations then were generated to compare with observed events so they're going through this and they knew what they saw and they're trying to come up with an animation that shows that that's true ok these are some pictures i found on the web site i haven't actually seen they're there animations i'm not sure they're available my question is does your future depend on these cartoons ultimately and i asked his investigation investigative practices were deceptive and unscientific the documents needed to happen to me missing i witness is to demolition characteristics we physical tests that disprove predetermine conclusions were downplayed or ignored the entire theory is built on fudged inaccessible computer simulations what is their final computer based story seven steps first two are not too problematic the aircraft severed a number of columns and loads were redistributed the insulation they don't like calling calling it fire proofing they like calling it insulation was widely dislodged high temperature soften columns and floors some floors begin to sag sagging floors pulled exterior columns inward causing them to buckle and instability spread around the entire building before global collapse and soup and i know it's painful and tedious to go through all this but as i said we really need to answer the falsity directly point point point by point so we're going to do that so how many columns were severed we know about the perimeter we don't know about the the core columns but we'll take their word for it and they say they were fourteen percent the north tower and fifteen percent of the columns of world trade center to the south tower but if we go back to the original claim from the sixty's these buildings should have been able to withstand greater than twenty five percent column loss which is really an additional thirty columns or more before we have a problem according to those design plans how much load was redistributed and i asked he says some of those were actually decreased and others were increased slightly but again the original design claim say that live loads on those perimeter columns particular can be increased by two thousand percent before failure occurs these columns should have supported the extra load and much much more to live loads and the dead loads together create the entire load they were they were typically about the same ok the dead loads were a little bit more alive those are slightly less than that but you can see the live loads have to be impressed in proof can be increased by two thousand percent with no problem you're still working that fact that that there are even dead loads at all so far i have no reason to believe or suspect a collapse would occur this is a key part of their argument according to them fireproofing was widely dislodged and they say the towers would not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact in the subsequent multi floor fires if the insulation and not been widely dislodged so the buildings would still be standing there if the insulation had not been widely dislodged ok keep that in mind so in i asked he must have been extensive testing to prove that the fire proofing was widely dislodged no they shot fifteen rounds from a shotgun non representative samples in a plywood box i wonder if they were her there is no evidence that boeing boeing six seven sixty seven would transform into so many shotgun blasts actually many thousands would be needed and will get to the fact that this actually disproved it but i need picture number one that it's a little dark but i don't know if you can see that that's the plywood box that's a flat steel plate with fireproofing sprayed on it and there's a shot gun and really a shock and i'm not kidding you pointed out that it's not a ultimately have to be close to one hundred thousand shocked and blasts for the area we're talking about the shotgun test actually prove the fireproofing could not have been widely dislodged and we'll get to that in the next slide because the energy was simply not available there was no energy left to dislodge the fireproofing because previous calculations by engineers at mit had showed that all of the kinetic energy from the impact of the aircraft had been consumed  breaking the columns in the floor and the crushing the aircraft these engineers were trying to support the theory at the time they had no idea the theory was going to change ok it would take their word for it and that all the the columns in the zones they're talking about that were sagging floors and softening columns have greater than six thousand square meters of surface area that's then six thousand megawatts needed or the equivalent of several more aircraft being impacted in of the airplane or to provide the energy ok so there's no energy for this that's my point how hot does the steel have become that's important to their story that the columns  forty five hundred gallons this would have provided a certain amount of energy they didn't do this calculation by the way the officer on a shingle were known to fire load was known to provide a certain amount of energy and using the masses in specific heat from the materials heated the maximum temperature the temperature of the steel in the concrete could have been calculated in the result is less than six hundred degrees fahrenheit and that's making a lot of assumptions that favor the official story and i'm sorry this is very technical and tedious b this is actually assuming a lot of things and so we have to kind of do another assumption and and say this is probably the maximum temperature that the steel saw and this does match up well with the paint test so let's take a look at the steel temperatures we've discussed so far in the far left is the four hundred eighty degree value that the paint test showed that less than two percent of the steel samples saw this temperature that's very informative the calculation is a bit above that  well still at half strength is quite a bit higher than that in the second test and i did we know none of the steel samples reached that temperature the point at which steel is fourth or softened in order about are way too low to have softened or melted any kind of steel even on fire proof steel just can't happen let's review their story in the problems with it have column breakage which weaken the building then external columns sought to twenty five percent increases in total load the problems are that they can lose an additional thirty or more columns before the challenging design claims the external columns were designed to withstand a two thousand percent increase and live low so calm breakage in and and redistribution of loads are not a problem fireproofing being widely dislodged there is no evidence that a boeing seven sixty seven which transform into thousands of shotgun blast we have no evidence that the forces were available and the energy we have evidence that the energy was not avail you need a high steel temperatures for a long time and as we just the testing calculations show that the steel temperatures were way too low to go on then unfortunately must go on every detail here every fall said some floors begin to sag only very slight sagging visible in the end i asked the photos from ul tests after two hours in a high temperature firmus furnace the deck the metal deck of a thirty five floor model sagged only a few inches in the middle and the major joints parts to not sag at all so i need picture three this is a picture of the model after it had been in the in the furnace for two hours first thing i want to point out to you is that the fires in world world trade center two obviously were less than fifty six minutes because the building collapsed in fifty six minutes and world trade center one the fires in the south face were about forty to forty five minutes because the nic report says it took an hour for the fires to to migrate around from the north face to the south face there's only about forty to forty five minutes left then even though that was true we tested the floor models for two hours and this is what we came up with and they did sag in the decks you can see the decks between the joists sagging ok can i have four now please and this is a graph of the vertical displacement of in the test as a function of time  minutes so the fires lasted in the two buildings you know forty five to fifty six minutes if you follow any of their curves restrained unrestrained anything the sagging the verge of vertical displacement is only a few inches right it's two three four inches ok that's what they're telling us kind of five now one of they do in their computer they took that four inches three inches of sagging after two hours they turned it into forty two inches second floors pull these exterior columns inward causing them to buckle we know that over thirty columns would have had to been pulled in the same time so what new force did a few inches of deck sagging apply to these three columns there's a lot of numbers in here that stars i know are not reconciled are not adequate adequately explained how these for how this fourteen crip totally overwhelmed this building ok so but they did some tests or hopefully they did some tests to prove that there was a more buckling holy day actually didn't they did they put it in the computer and they came up with what i call a triple double bare steel computer result it took a next year wall section in the computer imaginary section nine columns wide nine floors high and they were able to in one out of nine cases make show some and were boeing the same report says the site in areas only five floors high so that's one of the doubles right and i asked he had to exaggerate temperatures apply these temperatures for ninety minutes and that's another double right twice as long as the fires lasted and then of course double the height of the inward pulls on to produce produce and hint of inward buckling your bone demo would say there are other ways to produce boeing and buckling especially right before collapse and the last step says the instability spread around the entire building these buildings fill up nearly free fall speed so we didn't have hardly any time for instability to spread trying to kind of buildings that come down right together uniformly actually instability spread would have had to move at twice the speed of sound nearly right and i like just like this quote because it's from a book that was produced before anybody knew there were reasons not to produce these straightforward statements a steel structure generally does beaking does not collapse suddenly when attacked by fire there are understate cobol warning signs namely large defamations so what would objectives scientists have found in this this is what i believe object as scientists would have found the relatively few columns were lost on impact the remaining columns had considerable extra capacity fireproofing could not have been widely dislodged steel could not have softened at the temperatures found even at higher temperatures and longer periods periods the tests showed minimal sagging on the floors the forces were not produced to pull in the columns and instability spread would have taken much more time and would not result in uniform free fall so and i asked his computer science is bush or computer store is bush s the parameters and i asked he originally considered realistic they called them realistic they discarded those for more severe parameters because they did not compare to observed events they also will not release as i understand still will not release thousands of photographs and video clips of what really happened and you didn't just say global collapse ensued but there are a few other people with more expertise studying this sort of thing  what about the resistance of the floors below if these floors each caused a hesitation only half a second it's been said there were eighty floors below  at least eighty floors both of the buildings there would have been forty seconds extra needed what about the observed squids and by the way remember that pile driving is not paint caking so when shyam sunder goes on popular science the popular science magazine squibs come from pain kicking in the floors well the floors didn't collapse what we have is a pile driving crunch town smash down theory and i'd like to hear from him what he says about squibs from that perspective what about the large pools of molten metal observed in the basement areas of both towers and world trade center seven and what about the sulfur residue found on the steel you noticed the world trade center report is false they did not explain why and how the buildings collapsed and their investigation was to sept of unscientific at every step they reported findings that were in direct contradiction to their physical testing they omitted or distorted many important facts including the original design claims and john skilling's analysis resistance from the building structure below the world trade center one in ten a moving first pools of molten metal lingering for weeks numerous eyewitness testimonies about explosions and sulfur residue from the steel researchers again people with more expertise than myself call for examination of the demolition i process and i join them in the call it's it's high time we start looking at this demolition scripts seen ejected from floors far beyond the impacts on everything polarized molten metal found on the rubble piles of all three buildings site cleaned up by controlled demolition inc and many reports of explosions and flashes of li just to finish up here i know that this report's not yet about world trade center seven but world trade center seven would have been the tallest building in thirty three states it collapsed and six point six seconds and larry silverstein the leaseholder for all three buildings essentially admitted to demolishing the building and remember now fema said because their new story probably will challenge the statement a collapse was due primarily to fire rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers it takes weeks to plan and implement a controlled demolition right if you haven't seen this it's good to see i understand that representative  c would still need to see this and he's also said that if he was faced with the knowledge that all of us have been faced with now that he would leave the country he would run far away but we're here to tell him that not everyone would run thank you and we would like to stay for questions i'd be happy i don't have an explanation i don't have another outrageous conspiracy theory for you but i can only tell you that the one we've been given is false and that is enough that should be enough so you kind of imply i want to ask this question maybe specifically directed to the professor jones but we don't know a lot of the science has been done on the two towers but what a lot of listening to know more about is what really happened in the pentagon we know that the the new footage they released is not really divisive issue what hit the pentagon it the problem is we don't have a lot of data and so our approach there has been to insist that the panic gun the f b i released these tapes we know they have so they released another one and i was wondering what you think the next step this movement is to bring this towards public and if it's prosecution that's a good question you know what to do next i know there are some people who are working on some next step plans they griffen like her and others i don't have a plan just yet my plan is to help get the word out that the official story is false oh really i'd like to see the next steps being the end to the war on terrorism first of all pay and where hopefully the prosecution of the people involved the disappearing us this false story would you what would you recommend it nationals or something within the united states  if it was up to me i would recommend an international tribunal because this affects really everyone in the world through the impact of the american