from chicago illinois here is that which is with john roger that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m i e the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years the seminars and titled the two processes of the mind attitude and altitude right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement if you have a spiritual reference point it would be wise to hold as because i probably won't be speaking to that and if you have an educational reference point to be nice to hold that aside because i probably will be speaking to that on the same level and if you have a heart open  that's where i'm going and i'm a real hellion to get into the person's heart because i've found out that the heart knows everything and the heart can do anything but it won't do everything and because that seems to be where people on the planet are going at this particular time not just in this room but on the planet it's just nice to go into the heart and let the heart speak its wisdom to us because it does have the wisdom that the intellect will not have the heart is the intelligence and another way of looking at that would be called your divine ignorance because it only lets you know what it wants you to know just prior to the utilizing the information now here's the rub with that all the great religious groups all seem to say something like this and then receive the kingdom of heaven now that sounds real nice and most the people on the planet are saying let me see what the kingdom of heaven looks like to first see whether it's worth repenting and doesn't work that way in the movement to spiritual in awareness we say don't believe what you hear don't believe what you and liars can speak it but have the wit to check everything out inside of you i have seen people who started out with the most honest type of integrity and certainly seemingly very pure in their produce a life and dealing with people and over the course of years somehow they got corrupted and they fail and they took the group right down with them and i have people who work with me that part of their prime job is if i seem to get off the straight and narrow would you mind just pointing back out again because there's nothing quite so odorous as somebody who sets up a professor of the form of spirituality and then turns around and manipulates that against your own well being this and there too many people doing that under the guise of religion and spirituality i'm not one of those i have been up to this point don't let me do it to you and that process is called you check it out and you listen and one way that you will find out for sure is that if the experience of your life moves upon you by way of your spirit that will be the way you can validate it if it just sounds like it fits what you know it may just be one more fool talking to another fool and that's why i'm saying take your reference points and put them aside because they may be perfect and they might not be and if they're not perfect and i pick up on your thought patterns and play it back to you as perfection i trap you in your own ignorance again i don't want to be involved in that and if i suspected for a second that i were i'd get up walk out the door because there are far more valuable things to do than to attempt to mislead people who come to you with a sense of openness and saying just share with me who you are and what you are and folks if that's not enough that would be tough because that's all i can do and i'm not going to play off an intellectual game on on your head or anything else like that but i am telling you this i can move in the spirit and with your spirit and that spirit will move this room because and i don't control spirit it's always done it  it only makes a few conditions upon me one is that as it stops moving i stop when it moves i move so i do not move independently from that action that's a spirit those  ground rules by which i want to deal with you now look at those ground rules if that doesn't suit you then please would you just leave at this point because i don't want inflict anything upon you an want to continue right on and just hold with that form and see if the spirit can reveal something more to us about us that maybe we know maybe we suspected and maybe what you're going to hear is just more monda nunu that you've known for years they'll be nice to find out that you're still know the thing for years we've heard a lot of the groups use that the great big wide term the concept of lie in the concept of loving and the concept of life l i f e so let me run my definition for you what is life is this material level that you see and light is the action of the mind as it moves through the material level and it reveals itself to us by way of information by way of clarification and love or loving is the spirit that we are often called the soul for lack of a better word and if you're a scientist an energy unit and for the people who say it doesn't matter saul if you people that follow is true thought the atma now we've covered everybody ok i just want to talk a little bit about the mind and what that mind does and how it moves because we've all supposedly and yet we seem to be having the most difficulty with ourselves as a personality dealing with the mind goes something like this i wish my mind would leave me alone my mind runs me in circles i sit down to meditate and my mind just goals and see all the things the world knows got to do but g m so spiritual why does all that happen to me well the mines  yoyo first thing if you just get that for jojo it takes some of that sting off that you're not being spiritual or doing spiritual things when your mind starts doing what i call the monkey thing it just monkeys around and it and it jumps from here and it jumps from there then and there's great difficulty with that too because at the same time you think you're like somebody else says i don't know maybe they're stepping out on you and you go oh why did i need that i don't need to think that or somebody says the boss wants to see you and you think he's going to fire me why do you want to think that maybe getting a raise in pay no my mind said i'm getting fired so that's the part that i want to talk about and what it does do the soul the spirit that we are standing the a reference point of individuality that is not separate nor unique but but that it is diversified by its activity but all the souls are connected to all the souls much like the air in this room is connected to the air this room and to that part and that part and looking through the room is so well i don't really see much difference and that may be that you just haven't developed the looking ability to see what that is the mind however is part of what has been referred to as universal min consciousness we look at the higher arche of spirit and some of you have studied this will just be a refresher for you we have started here at the physical level the level above at the imagination level above the emotional level above called the mind the level above that called your theory cure unconscious on the level above that called the soul just down from the soul in the level of the unconscious it's a great cosmic mirror that is warped by the way a lot of people make it to the cosmic mirror look at it and think they've found the totality of all things and they have because it's got a wave in it anything that reflects back to these worlds of reflected light which is us here isn't going to be showing the avenues of perfection is going to show pretty much what we put on it because we are painting the canvas of our own approach to life but right in that universal mind and the cosmic we're is where we get our mental energy to flow across this planet the interesting thing is that the mind is both a receiver and a transmitter now years ago it was not thought to be so but now the e s p studies they're finding out yes we do pick up on people's thoughts and on their feelings we know that we pick up on people to emotions and to the sex drive because people talk about others putting out sexual by abrasions to warm towards more of the sexual vibes and we know when people are angry by what they put out flew more difficult to fathom the content of the mind the content is not what you think but it's what's behind the thinking that produces those that's the key to getting into any form of meditation is not to deal with what the thinking is about because that just goes on like a tape recorder but to move to the content of what the mind is dealing with and there are two lots of methods of how to get to that the most six least successful one is meditation because that's a process of thinking and the most successful method to it is that we call spiritual exercises of moving to the spirit and by the spirit bypass the action of the mind then you get to see the mind as though you're looking down on a planet and to see the how the mind is functioning the nice thing about that is the mind is the real trick or just about the time you think you've got it all knelt down and you know it along comes somebody who didn't read that book and shows you a different way and then it's back to the drafting board will i ever know not in the mind when you travel in the concept of dealing with the mind the high student goes the word level whatever the word level is that's it for the mind because that's the mind's chief avenue of expression and touching to other people the words and the soul is far beyond that now the mind sitting between the soul in the physical world has a duality aspect to it one called materialism and the other called spiritualism now i'm not talking about seance spiritualism i'm just using the other reference point the mind as it's being taken by the soul energy and activated by the so then becomes spiritualized and exercises these qualities inspiration to certain moment devotion mental devotion and these are the inward qualities that the soul has as its avenue of expression and it shares with the mind at those moments when we are in that is when we can more successfully have attunement with the spirit in those particular moments because the spirit is infusing us through the soul into the mind and having the mind then become our less a servant now what happens then is the mind fulfilling itself with the action of the spirit of the soul and it will fill itself up like a bucket containing water then says what do i do with this and lolly seems to have that type of question turns from the  spirit and moves down this scale towards the world and moves into the world it isn't too long then until the world imbues the mind with the same type of action that the soul imbued the mind however it's just a little bit different when the mind goes into picks up the soul energy and as it comes down the scale towards a psychic would tear a world it moves out and starts using the senses of the body hearing touch smell so for to reach into the world and to see this world at that point we all become accused of materialism and we start going after those things in the material world and our mind not having any great discernment at that point just takes it all like a garbage collector and it just reaches into this whole thing is this more more more more then we come into these things called greed and love and avarice then we say what happened i was so spiritual two weeks ago now i'm so lusty i can't believe it so then we say well what i'm doing now see is i was so spiritual that i got flaky and spaced out now what i'm doing is i'm just grounding myself to ground myself i get to do all these things well now look we're not going to call or self evil just because we've got a little materialistic in mind are we well why not we call our spirit self spiritual we feel a is just a tool for sensing the world or sensing the spirit it becomes very easy then to allow the mind to go into the material world and search search and see and look at and not let you as a total beingness get caught up in that soldier life becomes materialistically focused now there's nothing wrong with having with serial things in your life so nothing wrong with that should tell you why just bodies material and material everything around you is material and there's a lot that goes with this a lot of people want to say not so not so is there a lot that goes with it this is by the sweat of your brow do you live on the planet now we've become more scientific and we've said the karma of the planet he must fulfill and yet the same time how we know we've got to get out and work to make this world work here for us we must realize that there is a keen on this planet and in the united states is called the dollar bill soon as you forget that that's came here you're in for a real hard time because it doesn't care what you think or what book you've read ok you've studied with know how free things should be or how free things shouldn't be that's just the way that thing works in the material world knowing that the dollars going to be the key it's nice to know just what kind of a servant the king is going to be for you whether you're going to be a slave to the king or whether the king is going to be working for you making good decisions in the spiritual world the soul brains that point or the self or the true beingness at the same time here we sit with the material world with the true self in the beingness focusing into the material world there is where we get our conflict in all the spiritual teachings if its spiritual why do i have to pay for it spiritual things are free says who who says hundreds of people could they all be wrong everything you get on this planet in this level you are going to have to produce some payment for it whether it be a dollar bill or two hours sweeping the floor or thirty minutes of co leading or singing for your supper or something else you have to put in the activity you may have to read the books in order to get the information whatever it is you put into it is your payment to receive that now some people value one form of payment higher than others and those people force separation polarization they start polarizing the action of life around you that's spiritual don't pay for that's material pay for that spiritual don't pay for this that you pay for not so it's all the same coin of the realm called your individual effort is going to produce for you the results of your spiritual unfoldment because i say so go into all of your life and your actions and look a lot of things you thought you got free then later on somebody came and said how about doing this for me and you said oh i oh i'm sorry i don't i remember when you gave him free rides in your car for a long time or you got the free ride the car for a long time now they're saying since you got your car would you mind taking us for a while now you get to worry about the wear and tear gas you're saying yeah the gas is more expensive now and it wasn't so expensive before and you start running all of your nonna new a pay anyway i had the most dramatic revealing experience to me when i found out that the airlines didn't recognize that i was spiritual and want me to pay for my airplane ticket how gross and this hotel had the audacity to ask for payment for these rooms and they make us buy this t v stuff they won't give it to us for free now i think that's really terrible to do that to a spiritual person however i can play that game and walk around being disgruntled and hurt and upset and running my wrong to sonam how wrong they are and still have to pay it anyway that's the bottom what you pay anyway or i say well i'm going to pay anyway and so i might just as well enjoy this becomes enjoyment of the participation we can all taken place a value on what life is and isn't supposed to be and life just doesn't care there's a statement spirits no respecter of persons spirit doesn't even respect itself why it doesn't have to it doesn't do anything negative to itself nor positive nor anything else it just is what it is do you think the air over on this side of the room respects there on this side the room or anything else probably not why there's nothing in separation to make it have to do something different it is all hall and one and complete it's always been that in the spirit when we enter into the physical material world all of those spiritual whips that we've got to use and believe me it's easy to use spiritual whips on people you know the old statement there's nothing to fear but fear itself wait till some person comes out it's a sharp knife to see how that holds w get mugged and see how that holds wait till somebody says you have cancer and you go to die and see how that holds you know underneath that there is something there is something and that something is called the and the purifier often referred to a lot of other circles as the devil or the evil one or the diabolic demon there is a lot of terms for what we call a negative power that make it bad not just makes it negative power does that make it evil no that just makes it the negative power why the negative power because that's what it is you have a drive a car you have a battery your car and has a positive pull a negative pull you put them together in your car starts that's what this is the power pole of positivity is a spirit the negative pole of the cycle material world is a negative part put those together and we come in and are able to enter into the duality to this world and have life without that we can't have life because life is a process of friction an involvement  to that end is called death here well is that that serious probably not since herb is got the disease being human is a terminal illness because i say so not that long because i say so no it's just the lights on and i said it as i see it could you say the same thing sure what they believe you know more than you're believing  any less just something knows the truth when it spoke i'm not your idea of truth because about the time you can put that idea of truth down into a statement or a sentence or a diagram you're dealing with illusion god knows how many other things any time you can label truth that is almost any time you can label love that isn't it any time you can define god you missed or you're god's too small your love is too miniscule and you've got yourself in a whole state of limitation and it's easy to define you how frayed neurotic psychotic just eased a lot of terms that can be used for this how can we tell which one we're in any time we're in a state of pulling in we're in a state of material world beingness in the time that happens to us any time somebody is talking to you including myself and you go contraction in your mind you're in a psychic material world state of being this any time that that you hear and it goes through and to mention say i don't know what that guy said two minutes ago you're in the spirit and you don't need memory in the spirit is not present memory deals with timeline spirit deals with the present now how do we know all this is so moved back into the body following the same lines of that you produce out in the world follow those right back again well ok here's an example out here in the world we fall the line of separation you're there i'm here i makes me better than you course you're on the other side saying he's there i'm here and i'm better than him it works the same way while you're sitting on the side of the street talk about some stupid people walking down the road over there those stupid people walking on the road look at the scene they're saying how dumb or stupid you are and they're just as good as you even though you said you're better than them that just goes on that's called people in this world when you see that person walking down the street is walking down the street and there they go you're of neutrality you're just seeing it as it moves you don't have to do anything with that so just see it as it moves they come back again you seem to come back what is the only thing you must do stay in the state of objectivity and just be aware movement around you so you have to do you have to suspect why they are doing that that will be contract in your moving back into your mind away from the fullness of the expression of who the person is one of the nicest things to move into the spirit of openness when you see the person going to say god bless you or if you really want to be animal crackers say i love you and if you really want to be whacko yell out so they can hear it then they're going to go back weirdo but i'm sure glad and we need more weirdos like that who are willing to risk disapproval of somebody who doesn't know what's going on this and that to risk disapproval from somebody else who doesn't know what's going on in order for you to produce a consciousness of uplift form far too often and listen to this carefully folks as maybe the message who knows we listen to the god of opinion run through somebody else's mouth back to our ears and they don't know what's going on and we bow down and worship that and then when our life goes screwy then we try to blame them for what they said and yet  reward ship the process by which we fall and one of the commandments is that it shall not have graven images in front of you nor aisles so why on earth we want to worship that our whole society is based upon whose opinion in the poll averages out for whom the only a poll that is worth a darn is when they finally cast the ballot they counted up to that point that's another you know you'll process depends on where they pleased me today or not yesterday they're ok today i wouldn't vote for him tomorrow i'm back at it again that type a yoyo inside of you of forming opinions and attempting to live in the pion becomes constrictive to you and the spirit vacates that form because it cannot live in it at that point what comes into the form nervousness worry tension what will people saying think the economy's going this is going we find all the reasons not to participate in this world and the only reason that we have to participate in this world is we're year there is no other reason to participate here well you could make them up but just being here is enough and being here with all of the universe and all the power and supply of the universe in your corner and maybe more you're in it's corner and the only thing that is lack is your inability to tap into that and flow with it as it moves through our job is to tap and get out of the way so it can come through and that's the request of oh god help them and god help you say not that way how many times i got tell you not that way next time say god help me said do it your own way then there's this big hurt feeling god doesn't love me anymore so somebody said to me once i'll know when god doesn't love me anymore because i'll die and i thought i hope that isn't the criteria if that's if that's the criteria he hates us all from the beginning he or she or it because there's no death that's the fundamental paradox of the whole of banana hangs with the bunch you just pull off anyone all looks the same that's why it doesn't matter when you talk in psychic material world no matter what you say you can hang out with the banana bunch and the only thing you can do with that is just a good job away hope nobody slips on it and it's just that continual process over and over of just plain the game monkeying around monkeying around then when you don't get anywhere in life comes a great question why is my life like this knowing the answer is very cheeky and it's very crude is very true it's because you're stupid and you're dumb and you do stupid dumb things and you get stupid dumb results well how can that be perfect that party this perfect didn't get into the action yeah but part got him the part that didn't know what's going on you mean there's parts of me that doesn't know what's going on if you have to ask that question you're still in the dumb stupid period what do i do about that it isn't wrong or bad to be dumb and stupid folks it goes with having this body that just is part and parcel have you ever looked for your car keys or your glasses and they weren't what you looked and you went back to made iran they were there now let me tell you think god moved them in the meantime it better ever i'm crazy you're crazy is that bad to be crazy no it's just crazy to be crazy there is that terrible it's fun why is it fun nobody expects  from a crazy person even stand up do crazy things no say don't pay attention to him he's crazy well what do we get to do with all that craziness enjoy you have to be crazy to enjoy it in this world yes as soon as you declare yourself spiritual you cross your legs get in a full position do this and then go very this material things off your back and get it where they belong so when you sit down like that you won't have to roll your eyes up wonder what's going on see the last thing we have out there in the world that we put energy and energy could be i should do that or out of do that are some other phrase like that suze in an energy goes that way and we don't complete the action that is part of our energy drain my idea just look at your life you'll see where your energy dreams out as soon as you say i'm not going to do it you can disconnect from that fast and the energy will feel you like gee that feels good to say i'm not i'm not going to do that what we say is do that later when i have a more opportune time any time that you say i'll do that later you already in your later that was put off from before and now the time to deal with that and just the dealing with that in terms of going and complaining that are saying i'm not going to do it frees up the energy of your consciousness we do not have one or two great big major problems in our life we've got thirty or forty uncompleted ones that add up to one gigantic i don't know what's going on in my life my energy dreams and i get split and god i'd like to know if i know this stuff i read all these books and i got this one half read and that one half read three quarters over here and finish that one finish that one finish that one before you start the next one i'll finish it sometime no finish it now because it's splitting you and it's actually been a vampire on your consciousness it's dreaming you finish of what some two real fast who said it had to be memorized who said it had to be done perfectly it's just got to be finished and you can declare finish anywhere you want to hear it's finished just like i got to make phone calls i'm not going to i don't have to ready i have to do in that interesting little thing in there and the next statement goes like this that you say i don't have to the next one is and i can do it if i want to try that i can do it if i want to and i don't have to do that gives you a choice in your life and instead of that always obligation i'm always obligated always obligated until i hate you for being obligated to you enough i don't have to be obligated to you i can be free with you  free with you i can love you and if i can love you i want to be with you and if i can be with you i'm going to be such a loving person you will never know who that other ca but it's nice that once you're loving you can also be a cad and get away with it people say how cute you don't think that's true remember the person you courted you want to get married they did these little things you thought were so clever now you're married you say don't do that anymore i don't like it terrible you say it was cute before we're married that was being you always thought was so nice nice same don't do that it's terrible it's because i changed my mind do i have a right to change my mind there's a question just before that do you have a mind just a qu can i make up my mind the question before that do you have a mind what is the answer do i have a mind sometimes well what is it i have a five don't have a mind just gone through life and not even in a state of existence and on a good day you may have some compulsions on a good day prior that fundamentally it's vacant in there we use the intellectual part of our beingness to decipher and discern the phenomena of the world and when we try to use the intellectual part of our brain to know the spirit we fail because we must use intelligence to know the spirit and that comes out of the heart heart the emotional center yes is that mean modeline romantic depressed know what is it it is the presence of god we understand that presence of the spirit more through the heart than we do to any other form once we feel the presence moving to our heart center getting more it's getting more how big is that i don't know i never found the end of it what do i do with it don't ask questions what's the question to ask  doing with you oh you mean that spirits dealing with me how do i deal back you don't i'm going to deal back what happened that feeling is not present when you're dealing it's only present when it's dealing when we can get that fundamental difference down we come up with these old axioms that we always say oh that's just a cliche we all know what to say is something that's said over and over and nobody pays attention to why because it's the truth those cliches are true to start looking at so you can take it out of the cliche statement which is hard to deal with that intellectual thing let go and let god and bring it down to a fundamental radical point of view call relax and be patient can you relax and be patient i know what those are can you let go let god out what that is what i don't know how to let go on that god do it he might not do it my way and when i find out my way years i'll tell him in the meantime i hope that happens real good that i'm lucky and that's when we start entertaining superstition that's when we start running they know more than i do numbers they know more than i do so what so what if somebody does know more than you do in this room everyone of us knows something more than the person next to us in certain subjects called ourselves there's nothing greater our nor think lesser in that is these are just statements of what is because that which is is just that which is and the more every one of us can move our consciousness into that which is then we become a whole unified totally present individual with all things does that mean we won't swear i swear it just isn't a swear word anymore when you say to somebody people said that to me i think that's really a nice thing to say to me they are just get the hell out of my way ass i'm just as fast i can if you think i'm hell you've got your head screwed on backwards so i don't qualify yet course the neat thing is i've been called the devil and i've been called god and somewhere in between them this must just be a centipede or something someplace in between all this what are we really we are god and we are the devil somewhere in between there we are all of that why because we're made in god's image in the spirit is present that's perfect and we enter into the world of negativity that's going to corrupt and destroying decay and we live here isn't that bad no is evil only if you define it as such you know the bad news about defining something evil you've got to stick around to make sure so you've got to keep a book and keep track and keep tabs on everybody you spit on the floor that's evil what are you going to do with this book you're keeping on people later i'm going to rub their nose  what they're going to do to you while you're rubbing your nose in it they're going to cut my head off that's right and not tell you why none of us want our nose rubbed in our experiences of life we got this far in life to all sorts of negativity and to all sorts of loving and to all sorts of manipulating and to all sorts of all sorts of things so what i'm present if you're going to run my past on me i might as well die at this instant because you will kill me daily with my past i'd rather die daily to the past and live present right now see we say but you hurt me fine you handle the hurt don't tell me and i didn't mean to hurt you all i meant to do is yank you all the way the fast moving car and hurt your back and hurt your feelings but i love just so much i didn't have time to say would you please move out of the way so that car will hit you it would have been on you by then i did what was expedient and it was wrong and yet it was right can we forget the wrong that just seems to go along with this planet and start dwelling more on the right that doesn't mean that we become addlepated and namby pamby and we dismiss it no we keep track of it we just say that's there and see work goes you don't put energy into it you just observe it as it moves through life what do you put energy in you put energy in the spirit that is you how do you put energy into that by the focus of your mind and your emotions and when you talk to somebody else is so easy to pick them apart physically by mannerisms by words that in fact that's such a cheap shot anybody can do that and that doesn't grow you in character and integrity and yet the difficult one that produces the most dynamic results is finding the god there the spirit the goodness and focus that person on their goodness not as a form of manipulation that's one of the worst one to mint nip in a people from the goodness position i know what's good for you that's it's almost like don't kill me but when they recognize it's good and you know that's good because that's what it is and that affirmation of goodness is present as a direction lot in the air yeah sure that's all present but is that the focus of what you want to grow i'm going to go bankrupt just keep focused on that you create it or how about focusing on going through this and getting more abundance called health wealth and happiness wealth isn't necessarily money but it might be wealth and that feeling of wholeness and completeness and worthwhileness and value and a contributor to everything no matter if anybody participates or not not that your value is based upon of somebody believes you are does what you say the value is you're just pr one of the i think is a great spiritual leader of our time said something in a meeting on i heard a tape of it and he made the statement folks this  all there is and this is not as too bad that's just tough for you because this is all there is and that's the truth and it should have been period double spaced new paragraph or into book but more like semi colon and you can see it more clearly by moving more clearly into the perfection of who you are because of that's all it is you got you nose rubbed in  that's not to enlighten for anybody when somebody hits you knocks you down say well if you don't like this that's tough because that's all there is so we're saying yes that is all there is and it is perfect and you may not like what's going on and it's still perfect and you may not want to participate in and it's still perfect well so so perfect why do i feel that way about because you feel that way about everything i do while not everything there's a few things i like what i like getting my own way do you want that's a sign of spoiled so no matter what point i take i must come back to the neutral position observe my life there's great great power in the state valves of asian just great power there's less power in doing something with it and there's less less power if you try to get somebody else to do it because they're going to get their way not your original perfect way remember the statement if it's got to be done right i better do it myself that's a no clich except it's true going to go back to a lot of these old poor richard ses and cliches and find out yeah it is but not necessary does that truth the pick of all to this time because the vernacular and the expression of two thousand years ago and fifteen hundred years ago and fifty years ago may not be the same expression we use today the expression can be updated with the same intent of clarity the same intent take the mind move it to the spirit how do you move to the spirit chanting those spiritual words th tied to the divinity of the spirit by seign the spiritual word you move towards the energy of that spirit it's quite true that once you know the secret name of anyone you can call them just like that and there's nothing they can do but t any animal any creature any human anything once you know the secret vibration once you know the lord's name the true name of the lord you call on the essence of the lord's just flows through you and you have the divine presence with you and you become that form of divinity then you realize that it does perfect and there are various points of view in that but it is perfect that's what makes it so nice in this room we're going to have a hundred or so different points of view about what i talked about and you know the nice thing about each one is going to be right and some are going to be diametrically opposed to each other and they're still going to be right we lot of statements like  good news is that we're all here tonight and the bad news is that we're all here tonight and you say well what makes a difference your attitude to keep the magic of this planet isn't one simple word the attitude but if we just say the attitude period we've missed that other part that is invisible and it goes like this attitude yes based upon altitude when you get high enough you can have a dying good attitude and what is your challenge your chore to find the steps into the altitude to find out what it is that picture you up by your bootstraps there's a great singer who used to go on the stage to sing and they would say to him why is it you're always up your rate to go he says because i bring my own crank i keep my own self cranked up all the time and i don't depend on anybody else to do it because they're going to their way for what they think i need and i know what i need and i know how to do it so i do it and it performs majestically and is very famous we call this actualize it by moving my body in and through life that's how we live this existence this level is there are other ways to live it there's other ways to exist that no one wants to hear they're not living their life it's really a rub in the nose to say you're just existing because you go well yeah but and shown hundred one reasons why you're living your life but then when you come out of the fullness of living is that really wasn't to placing a judgment on what is we can just defer the judgments to later and live life more fully at this particular time the fullness of life is ours for the taking john rogers closing words were they rushed a santa which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which occurred are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of assault call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send an e mail to a service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or write to that which is post office box five one three one three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one three five this has been that which is with john rogers thanks for joining us we're here doing individual and world peace and the didn't start out with world peace than individual peace because we're saying let us take responsibility for our own peace first and then if we're working with the roommate on this trip and we don't really have it going real well with that person there's no need to go to a peace conference we've got to sit down with that person and have a conference of peace and we're putting aside not only the differences of ourself with another person we're putting aside the differences of ourself with ourselves which is the great great journey of going into the spirit