good evening but i'd like to call to order the regular meeting of the city council the city lakewood colorado may fourteenth twenty eighteen seven pm in council chambers will the clerk please call the role paul air whine you're yelling you're able hear you're here you have a quorum thank you i like to welcome everybody the chambers thank you for taking the time to come out this evening apologize that we are a little bit late we are all coming from a meeting prior to this so we do apologize we tend to stay here till tuesday morning so you have plenty of time to hang out if you felt you were shorted i'm in a moment we're going to do the pledge of allegiance and  if you noticed our flags are at half mast today and a good friend of colorado of the metro area and a colleague from the city of aurora mayor steve hogan passed away yesterday after a short battle with cancer and so i would like to honor him when we have our moment of silence after the pledge of i also like to read a proclamation that was done in his honor by the metro mayors which is forty mayors from throughout the metro area  that was honorary chairman of the metro mayor's caucus stephen d hogan whereas mayor stephen d hogan has served the people of colorado with distinction for more than four decades contributing as considerable expertise talent  wisdom to the betterment of the city of aurora the denver metropolitan region and the state of colorado where as mayor hogan service and leadership have included his roles as a roar council member or as mayor pro tem two t mayor of aurora representative in the colorado general assembly and as the executive director of the four seventy public highway authority in the northwest parkway authority whereas mayor hogan has advanced regional discussions and modeled exceptional leadership and statesmanship on critical regional issues so as multi modal mobility and homelessness and where as mayor hogan has lent his exceptional knowledge pragmatism leadership and unfailing good humor to his thirty nine peers throughout his ongoing commitment to him participation in the metro mayor's caucus now there for the metro mayor's caucus does hereby proclaim that there is conferred on our dear friend stephen d hogan the august and singular title of honorary chairman of the metro mayor's caucus so we like to send our thoughts our prayers our well wishes to his wife becky and the entire city of aurora if you please join me in the pledge of allegiance or remain standing for a moment of silence with the clerk please read item for another record i had him for proclamation older americans  down to join me and i'm going to ask council member bita to read the proclamation for their take your time may two thousand eight hundred older americans month whereas the month of may is declared as older american month the theme for two thousand and eighteen is engaged at every age and whereas the city of lakewood is home to nearly thirty three thousand three hundred residents that are sixty and older who enrich and strengthen our community and whereas the city of lakewood is committed to supporting older americans in remaining active and socially engaged with friends family and throughout all community activities no matter their stage of life and whereas the city of lakewood encourages home and community based services that support independent living involves older adults in community planning events and activities provides older adults opportunities to work volunteer learn lead and mentor and whereas the city of lake would recognizes that and anyway age one can be involved in aspirations that support physical mental and emotional well being we celebrate the many ways older americans help shape our cities into a rewarding and enriching community who are all can work live and play now therefore on behalf of the city council and the people of the city of lakewood i am paul mayor of the city of lakewood colorado encourage every citizen to celebrate older americans honoring their wisdom and experience and applauding their many accomplishments that pave the way for future generations i do proclaim a two thousand eight hundred alder americans a month given under my hand and seal of the city of lake with this fourteenth day of may two thousand and eighteen adam paul mayor elsewhere thank you very much and let's give a round of applause to our wonderful old are american souter is our older older citizen korda nater and handles lakewood rides they do a lot of the climate center and far beyond so i'd like to present this to you on behalf of the city and thank you for all that you do  twenty eighteen is the theme is be bold and one of those needs that i'd like to take a look at is childhood hunger but what i learned in this endeavor is that actually our seniors are the most  impacted population in our community when it has to do with hunger so i thought it fitting to just mention that as we celebrate older americans and i encourage you if you have any ideas or any support that you might lend to please contact me as we can tackle this together next on the agenda please i don't five a presentation update on west metro fire district we have chief one barty good evening welcome may have heard a couple things that have been happening that affect all of our citizens and we're really excited about the first has to do if you all remember seven years ago we became an internationally accredited organization and a year ago we became really accredited which is very important for us and what we do for our community and there's also another monitor in the fire service and has to do with insurance ratings and what happens is the insurance service office is a organization that comes out to communities and does a community risk assessment on your fire department and they look at things such as how many fire stations you have where your fire apparatus is what kind of fire apparatus you have they look at how many folks you send to a fire they also look at water systems does anybody know how many water systems we have in west metro district twenty five twenty eight twenty eight water districts that we work with to supply water in an emergency they also look at our communication center and they've looked at jeff common rated that as high as it could be in their very very impressed with that they also look at our community risk reduction or the plan that we have to do to reduce our risk within our community so that it's on a scale of one to one hundred and  the rate you out and they give you a rating a classification of either one which is a very best or a ten which is no fire service at all west metros enjoyed what they call an i s o class rating of three for several years which is very very good there's a small percentages within the united states that have that and so to have that three has always been very good now but recently they came out and reassessed us and looked at all the things that we did and you remember we reorganized after some financial where we lost an election for military increase and had to reorganize did a lot of things little bit different we merged up with fire protection district which helped which helped us out quite a bit they came out reclassified as and i'm proud to say that we are now and so just a little bit on that the i s o class one of what it means to all of us is there is sixty agencies in the united states sixty that are internationally accredited and i asked one and your fire department is one of th sixty so i'm very proud of that fact what does it mean for all of us well what it does is insurance companies use this cya so rating as one of their tools not all of them but most all of them to use this as one of their tools to look at what your what you pay in insurance premiums so we think by own indications that in everything being equal that when and you can call now your insurance rep and say west metro is now and i a so rate in class one what does that mean to me we think that everything being equal that insurance premiums for three hundred thousand dollars home should be reduced yearly by about two hundred dollars so we think that when you look at our whole district where we cover one hundred square miles  two hundred eighty thousand people that that's millions of dollars savings for our folks all by just doing what we need to do to provide this service so we're very very proud of that fact the other part of it too is from a business perspective is when you look at what you all want to do to bring business in here to lakewood there's a lot of things you get to tout as a full service city and what you do and what we do is in partnership with you so we go out to businesses and say you need to be in lakewood in the reasons are all of the things that are good pleasure fire protection is internationally accredited and oh by the way they're nice so class one we think that from a business perspective or commercial perspective we save two to five percent in their premium insurance premium as well so when you add that on to what our residents will say that's quite a bit of money but the nice thing about it is that when you look at if a business is going to go into a neighboring area were and i a so classy one and we're the only one around south metro down south it's going to be an i s o class one city and county of denver will be an i s o class one as well but when you look at our folks here in our neighbors here on the western side is we get to say that we have that we are the only ones that enjoy that so w gone from a business perspective and i know that we collaborate quite a bit on this that that's something that i think that we can tout so i think that that's a benefit as well so we're very very proud of that fact the other thing i want to talk about how to bring it up to date about is the service that we provided either from bancroft fire protection district or west metro for from or from lakewood fire protection district for several years has been what we call fire based m s and for those of you know what fire base d m s is that means that we have firefighter paramedics and we today west metro continues that where we have firefighter paramedics on all of our apparatus our board of directors think that that's a better model for us to provide a service and then we also do our transports we think the continuity of care is that a high level or provides a higher level of service at a better price but we haven't changed that model for fifty years and now we've added as we've gone through hazardous materials we looked at technical rescue we do wild land but those are kind of  same arena but one of things we found in when we when we do our paramedics in is when somebody calls and i'm when we go out to help them out we have two choices two choices one is that we transport them to the hospital or we leave them there and say you need to either get your own care or go to urgent care or go to your doctor or something on that order now obviously if they need to go into the that it's an emergency situation obviously you know we  typically convince them that that's in their best interest but sometimes we go on a call where someone does not need to go to the hospital they need care but they may not need emergent care and so when we transport them a typical transport for us is around twelve hundred dollars that the initial charge for that the dollars that we receive because of medicare and medicaid are much much less but that's a typical transport twelve hundred dollars and then when we get them to the emergency room you can see that there's much more added that the emergency room charges plus plus plus so a trip to the hospital that probably is not needed it's probably a lot of wasted money so we've figured in there that there's a gap and we think that in our community especially with what you folks did tonight with your proclamation was just that we know that our demographics and west metro really stand out to us where we think that we can provide a different service that will fill this gap so what we've done and it's going to start here may twenty second is we have partnered with a private company called dispatch health dispatch health has been in lakewood for quite some time and they go to senior care facilities nursing homes memory care centers and they contract with them and they have a nurse practitioner or physician assistant on there and they can come there and they can do care for those folks but it just hasn't taken off like they thought so they came to us and they asked us how can we partner together so we're going to go on this public private partnership with them and what we'll be doing it's called an advanced resource medic arm car so what will happen is will still people will still call nine one one we'll still send our our paramedics out there and then if it's determined that the patient does not need to go to the emergency room but need some sort of care sutures bloody nose maybe they need some  medications we can do laboratory testing for them we can do some more advanced care with them we there's a lot of things that we can do through this arm car we'll have an advanced paramedic and then we'll also have a nurse practitioner or a physician's assistant on this car they don't go lights and siren what'll do it what will do is the paramedic will say i think that this is a good case for arm car they'll suggest to the patient say you can either come with us to the hospital but we think you're probably better going to be cared for through this arm car and we'll schedule a time for them to come out typically the be out there within the hour we can do all of these things and do all of this a good example is this we did a test case grandfather was watching his grandson there he was running around his two year old in his head cut his head called as we went out there called m m m we went out there and we determined that he just needed sutures everything else was fine the arm car came out granddad was holding the kid while the  physician's assistant sutured up and everything was great he was eating ice cream even before we could have even took time to transport him the good thing about this public private partnership is let me back up one of the things that with these these types of deals in the fire service is called momo integrated health care what we found is that there's no sustainability for this there's no way for me to bill or to get dollars back for that even though it cost me to do this there's no way for us to get dollars back so by creating this public private partnership with with dispatch health they have they have contract with every single insurance company in the state of colorado including medicare and medicaid so think of it as urgent care on wheels there we're going to take urgent care and actually it's urgent care plus because we can do some other things the physician's assistant and the nurse practitioner can do that they can't do it urgent care but what will be able to do that is come out and then for that encounter then they can bill for that and typically what the patient pays is a co pay if they don't have insurance or they don't want to pay go through their insurance the most will pay is two hundred seventy five dollars that includes all the laboratories and medications all of those things and then in turn will do follow up care so by providing this gap in there we know that some people don't need to go to the hospital but by providing this gap in here where this service we know that people need care and we think this is an interim type care it's not to replace or their primary care physician and we're not trying to put urgent care out of business but when people call us their emergency may not be the emergency room but we can provide this service  so when you look at this these dollars that we think we can save and again we think that our demographics with our senior with our folks or we have a high senior population we think with some other demographics that we have really lend towards this type of service that we're going to be fighting again this is millions of dollars that we think will be saving over health care costs as we go through this so today we're going to start off with one car it's going to be in service forty hours a week for ten hours a day monday through thursday and i'm not so i'll be honest i'm not so excited about that i think it should be and i know it should be in service more and so we want to do a little proof of concept and as we do this and we go to the insurance companies and say look how much dollars we're saving you all then we think that we can put more cars into service and what we'd like to do is partner with other agencies around us so that we can share some cost but we think the service that we will provide for our for our community for all of us is just that that we can bring this to him there's a lot of benefits now accounts are johnson you know that three year experience being out in the home is much much better for these folks and they're much more comfortable and we think that will provide better care for him so those are two things that we're doing at west metro that i think are our are exceptional right now that we're saving our folks quite a bit of money with what we're doing and it's not really from a tax payer type of of the system so i just wanted to bring up to speed on that and just let you know we're doing i'll come back and let you know how we're doing on that thank you chief before you step down any questions from counsel cancer johnson i don't have any questions i just think this is an awesome model i don't know how many  this but my feeling is this if disk can be role a role for other cities model legislation if you will well and good luck with it and i appreciate that south metro is doing it as well now but their demographics don't match up where we think that one car should be able to do about eight around eight encounters a day and that in that ten hour period they're doing just a little over one a day so i think our demographics really lend towards us and then dispatch health when they came to us they said you know they know our area they know our system our paramedic system is is a little bit more robust and so i've talked to other other municipalities here in the state as well as out of state phoenix is having a hard time around where they stick people in and they pay their right and i'm not quite sure that from my perspective as the fire chief the provides medical care that that's the best thing to do so i talk to the fire chief there about this that this is maybe a better model where you can partner up in the biggest thing i said is that there's just no sustainability in this so the dollars that get generator for this come back to west metro to offset our cost on that so it's i think it's i think it's going to be a pretty good partnership on that  going are combined nine one one facilities so i think counsel in the communal have an update on that i think everybody has gone live now that we appreciate all the partnerships you guys do a great job and i know our police work very well with you as well so we have a great partnership and so i go yet chief quick question is there a form that we would need to have to give tour insurance companies so that we can hand over to him or is there you know a lot of times when we ask question in you would say we're the i  o class number one the insurance company is going to say well what is that well when they hear your name they'll they'll trust you all day and just so i also puts out a publication and so it's gone to all the insurance companies right now so they should know as we were told and again the if it's really kind of the official official is august first but they sent out the stuff may first and they put it out to all the insurance companies so they told us tell all your folks to get with their insurance companies and all and they should have the information would it be possible you can give us a copy that to the city so they can go ahead and decipher it over to our ward ok well never item six presentation on the sign code ok so this is a follow up from a late night presentation on the sun code mr wilson principal planner good evening and the idea tonight is of an update and get some consensus from counsel good evening paula members of the city council many misty even wilson and i'm a staff planner with the city of lakewood thank you for having me here tonight is a follow up to our last study session although our conversation last time was late at night i received useful feedback and i hope to address those comments with tonight's presentation as well as listen the comments you have about based on the draft ordinance a great deal of work has gone into the materials that were  prepared for the study session packet and i hope you find the draft to be well thought out and carefully written the draft is consistent with the intent expressed at the first study session with the city council and twenty seventy however i welcome your proposed changes because the the needs of the community which is never a fixed target i won't spend a great deal of time on the court case the read however i would like to remind the audience that the u s supreme court has fundamentally changed the way local municipalities can regulate signs to avoid potential issues with first amendment freedom of speech the city can no longer regulate signs based on sign content or stated differently if a city official must read the design to determine which standards will apply the standards are not content neutral and likely have issues with freedom of speech for example i'm showing a political sign on the screen if the standards that applied to that sign are determined based on reading the sign and knowing it's a political sign that's not allowed i'd like to stop here for a minute to ask to see if there are any questions because this concept is the foundation for the sign ordinance update and i'd like to ensure i've explained it properly so again if you have to read the sign to determine the standards that apply it's not consistent with this recent court case ok questions on the basis ok thank you before i begin present more specific information i hope to set the stage with a quick look at the purpose of the sign ordinance so the purpose of the sign ordinance is to provide standards that result in a reasonable balance between the right of an individual to exercise freedom of speech through signage and the way to the public to be protected from the potential health impacts safety hazards and visual blight that result from unrestricted display of signs the purpose is important because each standard can be evaluated against the purpose and i'd like to point out that signs are a fip fickle topic because there is competition in the built environment for expression of speech please let me elaborate the ideal message is a message that is clearly expressed and has no competing information so in this slide on the left there is a free standing sign with no other signs around it so it can be clearly seen and then on the right the image shows a message on a building a sign that also has no competing information the next best thing would be to have a message that communicates more clearly than other competing messages if i were a business person i would want to have a sign that's bigger taller and brighter than all the other signs so as you can see on this one on the left hand side there's a building with a message a sign at the top this bigger than all the others and click and communicates the message more clearly and then on the right there is a free standing sign that's taller than all the others so it would be more prominent than the others although bigger and brighter signs may be better for an individual business though zoning ordinance is not intended to pick winners and losers on signs and what i believe we're trying to avoid for businesses and for residences are signs that have so much competition that they no longer effectively communicate a message so what i'm trying to explain is that the sign ordinance is intended to provide a balance between an entity that could be a business or an organization trying to express a message and the community's desire to have an attractive built environment with an appropriate level of signage and metaphorical terms we're trying to avoid the tragedy of the commons and for clarity the tragedy of the commons is a term used to describe a situation in a shared resource system where individual users are acting independently accord to their own self interest but what their country or eat to the good of all users by depleting or spoiling that natural resource the term was originally used by an economist named william lloyd in the eighteenth hundreds and i think it applies to our conversation about signage to figure out the right amount of signage for lakewood the phone line presentation is organized in order as they're arranged in the draft ordinance i have focused on topics that were raised during the last study session as well as aspects of the ordinance that differ from the current standards if i missed anything please let me know i'm going with your permission i'd like to go through the entire presentation once and then i going back to individual slides for input from the council forced i'd like to dive into yard signs are current ordinance include standards for election signs construction signs ideological signs and symbols that all have content based regulations the draft  ordinance these will all be combined into one category called the arts science it seems likely that the city would prefer to continue regulating political science as their own separate category however the supreme court has indicated that these types of standards would be unconstitutional the supreme court said you can't regulate based on content however look human to some local governments or municipalities can regulate time place and manner the city can still regulate the size the height the location and the materials of the signs however we cannot link these regulations to content i have a blank sign on the screen to remind us that except for certain carve outs in the law we need to disregard the content of what's written inside the box or inside the sign and the cities where standards will apply to all types of messages ok so after two study sessions in a public hearing the recommendations from the liquid planning commission are reflected in tonight's study session packet and then more specifically the planning commission recommends that and i'd like to go into a yard signs so as recommended by the planning commission yard signs will be allowed here around the maximum size shall be limited to six square feet and the maximum sign area shall be eight hundred square feet per property sign area would be measured using the sum of sign faces counting only one sign faced person and then if yard signs become broken cracked torn or faded code enforcement can require their removal for a conversation on yard signs i suggest separating the talk of topics first i'd like to present a response regarding sustainability and then second i'd like to present some options on yard sign area and locations the planning commission deliberated over how lakewood can best provide leadership in sustainability and during the public hearing they modified the language for yard signs to include a requirement for sustainable materials so in the slide you can see the planning commission recommendation on the bottom there where they recommended biodegradable photo great degradable and compostable signs and then above is the original language and i'll come back to that based on feedback received at the april sixteen city council study session staff recommends that yard signs be permitted to be constructed from a wider range of materials at the same time staff would like to honor the planning commission's intent to advance the cit goals as they relate to temporary signage and they suggest doing this by developing a best practices guide that the community can use to voluntary make sustainable choices when procuring temporary signs this guide would include information and resources to aid in material selection reuse opportunities and responsible disposal options additionally staff recommends adding language at the end of the sentence to allow for yard signs on fen with regard to yard sign area the recommendation is six square feet per sign face sign in one thousand square foot maximum was reached after extensive conversation the difficulty is that political signs can no longer be regulated as their own separate category so the standards for yard signs must also be acceptable for other types of front yard signs year round on the slide on the screen have highlighted the dimensional standards for your consideration  again i anticipate coming back to the slide to aid in our conversation about yard signs i have some examples here of typical yard signs to put the eight hundred square foot limitation in some context that means that a place so that a resident could place three two foot by three foot signs in their front yard and so this is a little bit smaller this is closer to two feet by two feet so that gives an idea so it would be three two foot by three foot signs or they could place twelve one foot by one and a half foot science in their front yard so that gives sort of an idea on the quantity to help give our conversation some regional perspective of the city a sentinel limits their yard stein's to six square feet per sign and twenty four feet square feet total so there's a little bit higher than what we have proposed in the city  limits their signs to six square feet per sign and then twelve square feet total so a little bit less ok so i hope we'll come back to the yard signs because i really hope for input on that square footage area because that's a difficult part of the question but i'd like to present some information on additional sign types and so i'd like to go on to freestanding signs the standards first freestanding signs have been reformatted in this new update but they haven't significantly changed from the current allowances planning staff review an average of two hundred thirty five assigned permit current draft an issue that has come up that city council may wish to address is that eight foot height limitation for free standing signs so corner properties and those with narrow street for an address or sometimes at a disadvantage with regard to free standing signs due to site triangles the maximum free standing signs that sign height for some some zone districts is eight feet and signs located in sight triangles cannot block the view of incoming traffic between two feet and seven feet in height so the resulting sign allowance is a one foot tall sign band which is impractical so on the slide you'll see this sort of yellow block triangle so that represents the site triangle  and there's the dimension there for seven height so that's the clear zone and then you can see that small sign that says message on top of it that would be limit to that to that one foot area so the logical answer to the issue is to locate signs outside of si triangles however some businesses do not prefer this option steph is considering the option of raising the maximum sine height in the zone districts to twelve feet the benefit would be additional flexibility for applicants who have sight trying to limitations and a disadvantage would be that science taller than eight feet tend to have more conflicts with trees and ultimately in staffs experience the trees lose so we're we're looking for him put from the city council on like all cities the city of lakewood has a history with non conforming signs going all the way back to the leavitt sign and six have a new front row the general idea is that when a sign becomes worn out over time it needs replacing the new sign will meet the current standards the benefit to the signed owner is that amortization of signed will not occur on a forced schedule and the benefit to the city is that when signs are replaced with new signs they will meet the standards were perfect the current values and expectations but of the standards the city will approve assign face replacement on existing non conforming signs however non conforming signs may not be expanded for example if a sign is taller than the allowable height the sign owner cannot expand the sign area even if it is under the current sign area allowance in the issue that was a raise recently is freestanding signs for businesses on frontage roads in the nonconformity section there is an allowance for a are signs on buildings on non conforming buildings however there is not currently an allowance for free standing signs or stated differently we allow more wall signs on buildings that are set back from the street greater than the maximum setback however we don't currently have an allowance for free standing signs based on this concept we would allow more freestanding sign height in area for business is located on front of d assistance is exploring the idea of an additional twenty five percent allowance in height and twenty five percent allowance in area for properties on frontage roads and we hope to get input from the city council so on this slide this here in the upper right hand is  an aerial photograph with an arrow sort of looking across a landscape stripped across a friend a drove to a building and then below on the right hand side you'll see the main road which would be where the traffic typically is the landscape area the front edge road and then off sort of in front of the building to the left is the free standing sign that's a relatively small message so the point that that's trying to make is that if you're further away from the sign that a little bit higher a little bit more height and a little bit area may be appropriate for businesses along ok keep sort of going through these and then i assume we'll come back all right so to improve the effectiveness and reduce visual distraction electronic message signs will have updated standards and there will be two categories the first category is a lower resolution sign for nonresidential uses on properties with one hundred eighty linear feet of street frontage or greater and the second category is higher resolution signs for multi tenant centers with two hundred thousand square feet a building area or more the idea is that we should have a higher allowance for electronic signs for multi tenant centers where multiple businesses are advertising on one sign in addition to two electronic in addition to the two electronic message sign categories there will be new illumination standards and those are consistent with the recommendations of the united states sign council this library presents two categories of proposed the proposed signs on the left the example represents a sign with a text message and on the right the example represents a multi tenant center sign with higher quality display capable of representing businesses names that lo standards are similar to the standards in fort collins colorado and in summary the majority of the businesses will be allowed to have an electronic message sign that displays text and numbers and the updated standards would allow higher resolution full color electronic display signs for multi tenant centers during our last study session it was observed that the table seventeen point nine eleven had language that was ambiguous regarding electronic signs for nonresidential uses in zone districts staff appreciates the common and w modify the table so it is clear the intent is to allow for electronic signs for institutional uses such as churches schools in residential and in residential zone districts however it was never intended to allow  ok so this next one is a big counter gauri that i would like to explain in its own painted wall signs so in our current ordinance we say that art is art and a sign is a sign more specifically works of art which in no way a den if i a specific business business activity or product are not considered a sign and shall be allowed works of art which contain text or logos that portray a commercial message subject suggestive of the on site business  shall be interpreted to constitute a sign as a benefit by or consulting attorney the category of works of art under exam signs is content based any distinction between our work and other signs is unlikely to survive a first amendment challenge so although the current distinction has served its purpose and how until now a new sign ordinance that purports to be consistent with gilbert must regulate signs and painted wall signs in a manner that is content neutral and just a reminder if you have to read the sign or the mural to determine which standards apply the standards are likely not content neutral and likely not constitutional so in the draft ordinance murals will be regulated as painted wall signs and require a permit as proposed the regulations will have very few limitations but the permits will be lit will be issued to certain groups that are listed above so again the murals that we're having that will require a permit and as you can see up on there we wouldn't we wouldn't limit the maximum number we wouldn't limit that area we wouldn't limit the height we would require a permit they're not allowed on single family or duplex uses so you can't play a big mural on your garage door and they could have a commercial message so if your mural was a big ford logo on the side of a ford building that would be a commercial message but if it's the mirrors like we typically see those would be allowed ok during our last study session i think there was a misunderstanding regarding the lighting of signs the standards as written limit sign illumination on local streets and the nine pm to six a limitation does not apply to collector or arterial streets so for local streets signs have to be turned off from nine pm to six am but if it's an arterial or a collector street that does not apply so staff recommends keeping this standard as written several other items were discussed at the last sunday session one of them during public comments or one of them was public comments during the study session since that study session that reached out to mr max fulton with the gordon sign company as well as wes fried nash with the wild handling public affairs and both indicated that they were generally satisfied with the proposed direction and i have not received additional comments from either group since our correspondence and i believe i understand the comments about electronic message signs but based on the work with the working group that i'll explain a little bit and the planning commission review the high resolution low resolution electronic message centers is is the recommendation at this time there was some conversation about sign flippers in the public way and so it's my understanding that the city could prohibit all hand held signs in the public way however that would apply to all entities including those who are doing fund raising work so that when i look forward to more direction from the council on this issue and then last in the current ordinance there are restrictions on lighter than air objects there are prohibited the proposed update has the same prohibit that staff is here to listen and we look forward to your comments  last line so the development of the updated sign ordinance has followed a process a process including the formation of a liquid working group invitations to participants in the working working group are sent to all neighborhood organizations all business organizations and fourteen of the most frequent signed permit applicants on the working group weekend we had residents we had business owners and we did have some representatives from the sign industry  the group met three times we created an online survey to solicit input and the working group reviewed the draft update our consulting attorney brian connelly with johnson robinson regularly enough  who's an expert in signed regulations post gilbert versus reed has reviewed the draft update input was provided by the members of the forty west arts district wesco facts community association and the lakewood cultural center and then also staff review the proposed update there were two study sessions with the liquid planning commission as well as a public hearing the planning commission has carefully reviewed the draft update deliberated over the proposed standards and their recommendation for is for approval so thank you for your time as you will so well done thank you for the thorough update and i think you covered just about everything before we go into questions could you just talk about next steps please yes so in terms of next steps i am we hope to get lots of good feedback from the city council this evening we'll make those changes and follow the direction this evening and then the first reading is proposed for june eleventh and then the public hearing for the updates is proposed for june twenty fifth thank you ok so why don't we go in order i think the first thing that you talked about was the best practices guide which would be voluntary compliance for  sustainability standards for campaign signs is that the direction so the direction that council wanted to see to make it voluntary ok mr franks you have a question along those lines ok good i'm not usually one who throws out a lot of praise just because it's just not my nature but i really wanted to thank you for that presentation it was clear how much effort went into paying attention to what council and the community said and preparing it in a way that was effective and i also appreciate the very efficient delivery and i just would feel remiss if i didn't contrast those two and let you know how much i appreciate that so thank you thank you council franks you know and i forgot that there's actually a public comment which is a little bit different but there's a roster for public comment on the sign code so i have a few folks who signed up and if if you meant to sign up for a different agenda item we can move you over but mr carpenter if you wish to speak on the sign code looks like you flew in just for this welcome yes i did james carpentier c a r p e n t i e r and i'm with the international sign association here on behalf of also the colorado sign association and i just want to commend staff i agree they did a great job ninety eight percent so we just have a very few suggestions that we would like for your consideration and it's really not a major changes one of the things that was talked about a relation like tronic message centers of the resolution we would suggest that the city not regulate the resolution and i do have something you receive i think of the last public i think your last work session and really what it is is that decision is really best made by the designers assigned company and user because what it does is you could have someone that has a large project that maybe just wants to have a monochrome type of display but this code is forcing them to have full color display which is going to cost more the quality is still really good the messages are still really clear it's just something that we think that isn't best regulated by the city because there could be some applications where they want one once the other and the other doesn't want what's regulated so that flexibility i think is really good because it's something that just gives a little bit more villany for the end user decide what they'd like to do versus what the city's regulated but the most important part of electronic message center is really the illumination you've got that right which is critical because if you don't have that right then it doesn't matter everything else is a problem after that and besides that we would suggest that the and tell me if i'm wrong stephen it looks like the code doesn't allow neon except for very limited internal applications is that correct ok only internal right so you know so we should really have discussions with you but i it looks to be like the coat limits neon other than maybe an internal type of insulation which is was really we can get clarification on yeah i would i would suggest just for creativity a lot of businesses like to have a retro look and i think that really cannot be recreated using the l e d i know there's at least strips that look similar but it doesn't have the warmth it doesn't have the the appeal that i appeal that neon has that it's much more efficient than it used to be the last a long time so the energy wise it's not as bad as it used to be it's pretty friendly in relation vironment because it doesn't use a lot of parts all the time so that's something that if i got that wrong correct me on it but we would say or suggest that you allow it at least in most of the commercial districts that option and other than that those are the only two recommendations we have for consideration and i feel your time thank you thank you will get you those answers and then to mention one thing i do live in arizona not that i say alexandria virginia virginia ok i live in arizona so i do live out west  so that's kind of important i think either way you travel a long way thank you and i have the ashers did you wish to speak on the sign code presentation i'm seeing no ok remind me if you want to speak on another you can give us your name and address for the record to be great my name is peter growth my address is one three five one eight west alaska dr been a resident for fifty some years i've also been it's been a time when i raised a family and i'm back this shows a celebration we had when lakewood decided to take down the billboard and get a sign code and you could see that the owner of the billboards all ticked off and did not take down the lake with sign but put a broad more sign over top of it but we still had a beer i think this sign code as presented is a great improvement thank you i do have one concern and that is the sign competition every time there's a new kind of sign come out the latest one is digital everybody wants the one upmanship i'm going to leave that i headed off the digital billboards was a real problem safety wise and there was a lot of money behind that and there's an aircraft there are also very easy to relocate and everybody wants one because they're cheap i'm concerned that we now  homemade ones they're not banners i will say i believe these were taken down but here's two to write together and this is the film our crossing has it's now written there are fifteen tenants in that shopping center they can have five signs five of these pennants in addition other signs which means practically the whole year you're going to have five of those laid the other signs i don't think it adds green mountain area you know in the back there's two more of these i call them feather sized plain they'd signed when we worked with the city of denver they wanted to recreate a beautiful place bill nelson sign in the downtown denver association got together with merchants said we had to take the signs down so we can have a mall and you see what happened they said yes as long as everything is fair and that's why i'm worried about the sign competition there's a lot of money and signs selling and so on need we need to keep everything is that it was nice here's a banner signed at sears auto center is a canvas sign it's been there over a year and if you look at the sears sign here those signs have not been repaired the original sign code at lakewood had followed them booth and that said window signs were permitted as long as they were sixteen inches inside the window and that was allowed merchandise to be labeled priced explained information  what we have done is allowed window signs to mutate to what we see here and frankly i think it's crass like this is go back to where businesses survive because they have a good product or service they have good staff quality goods warranties and so on so that's definitely a song and here is an ip thank you sir appreciate nothing thanks for the comment and the the pictures so you had signed up by the consent agenda is this the one you wanted to talk about clear on the sustainability standard the next one that you had up had to do with square footage and looking for some guidance on that recommendation  i don't know what we're trying to accomplish with the then that on total square footage of signs but in one of those examples you had a front yard with a number of political signs and a dozen or more that would be a violation take it under the proposal that correct they think you for the question so on the the left hand picture to me those look like to buy three signs and it looks like they have four of them so right that would be slightly built above what we would allow at eight hundred square feet and the picture on the upper right  s quite a number of signs so that would be in violation correct so if the fallout has our family has dozen candidates they want to support they would have to pick and choose i would turn first to our consulting expert thank you i'm sorry your council unable the reason that we recommended going with a maximum square footage as opposed to a maximum number of signs is to avoid the very problem that you've mentioned by having a maximum square footage couldn't control the amount of signage on the property but yes a family would need that want to support twelve candidates would be to choose to have smaller signs or maybe support multiple candidates on a sign whereas if we put a limit of say just twelve signs and someone wanted to have sixteen then they wouldn't have that flexibility ever run for office haven't know you know how difficult it is just to get out a few signs of the same size much less an inventory of different size signs for folks who have different numbers of people they want to support i'm guessing you're tell me it's difficult as a very difficult and i think this  i think this could be a damper on political free speech i think people are free have a saw as a limit on a size of a single sign but we can't regulate to that extent and i wouldn't want to put any damper on all on the number of signs that a person could put in their yard here and i'm i'm telling you what you know i'm just giving you constitutional advice but you're certainly we're asking for your feedback on the square footage even a little bit cut the question your constitutional advice thank you so close label then would you suggest increasing the amount of square footage allowed i would i would prefer a limit on the square footage of each side and of course any yard sign that is put out would have to comply with that how  many three bus six foot acme roofing signs you want to see so i would say that the typical for a yard sign is white eighteen inches by two feet so i would say we could let it get a little bit bigger than that but i certainly wouldn't want to put a limit on the total number of signs for other it's by total square footage or just sheer number certainly i think a lot of folks up here would echo that i guess the question is what are our options so beyond that mr colley what are our options well i think what i'm hearing is that councilman abel would prefer to have a limit on on the size of each sign but no limit on the number of signs or the over the square footage i mean there's that is silly nothing wrong with that so that's something that could be brought forth ok thank you i should say nothing wrong legally you're i don't know the sign code by heart that we have existing but is there and for mr parker's there a any kind of variance temporary or otherwise that for instance is somebody who's really enthusiastic about mr abel and wanted to put twelve signs up for a month that they could apply for that were more realistically if a business wanted to do something different is there a temporary variance from this the you can get know in terms of the existing sign ordinance as well as the proposed update there would be no variance for temporary signs so the standards are set and the review criteria for of a  variance are written such that it just wouldn't apply to temporary signs is there a legal issue i mean to the point and i know we're kind of getting away from time based things but if around election season you had folks that were interested in putting up more signs for a limited time period where are we legally with yes so if you're doing it as a variance process i would certainly recommend against that i mean that you're then asking administrative staff member or a city board to make a decision as to whether a particular individual can display more signage than others during an election season if if that's what you're suggesting if you would like to have jurisdiction here if you wanted to do that though to give sort of a signed bonus during election season you need to understand that that would need to apply to all noncommercial signs so certainly those signs could be vote for abel but they could also be signs that are wholly unrelated to the election and i guess i should've been clear variance in the layman terms with the small of the i didn't mean the full variance process i just mean something to address charlie that if there was a way if somebody was super enthusiastic of that they could do that not know if that's you planning there's some application or they call up and say i really want to do more signs anything like that weeks before election day and then they would need to come down a certain number of days after the election well i was glad for the question because i was looking for some kind of a bonus period since we have these things that we content neutral i can just invision the year round battle that we see in the times were signs get stolen because people get tired of looking at barb franks on  sign for you know six weeks i got tired of looking at the barbering signs just so y'all know as well i had a question for we said earlier that only one side of the sign counts so if i'm being creative can i stick two together and is that a way around where i could basically double up coming they get one set of my opinions and going they get the other side of my i'm just looking to fight and be creative and use my real estate better is that would that still be a violation since you're saying you only count one side and if they're stuck together i'm calling i'm one i'm just trying to see where people can play with our son in cote you know the thank you for the question so in determining the total square footage we just count one side but both sides of the sign can have signage and from the reviews standpoint we don't we're not reviewing what's on it so if you want to put one message on one side and one on the other that's not regulated by just doubled your ability to support candidates right there something also i wanted to ask from an h away perspective did the rules still overlay or are they bound by this because i know when i lived in one you couldn't even barely put up a for sale sign in the window without getting in trouble sure so restrictions do act as an overlay on the city's regulations and h o a s because they're private organizations are not subject be aware that if you've already got that in place that this isn't somehow going to supersede that and that's all the questions i have on that topic thank you thank you and also thank you very much for your presentation was very thorough and efficient i appreciate that also question along the signs because i think for for me when i found out now that political signs are going to be allowed a year round whereas before we limited the time that i think that well we'd ok but we cannot limit them by the time so now they're going to be allowed year round  so i think it is important that we have a limit for i would like to see the limit kept in but i think that this sign bonus is good another kind of way around it that i was thinking of is that you can just switch out your signs monday tuesday it's barb and then the other day so i think that there's ways around it but i think it's important to maintain the balance with the aesthetics of the community thank you sir johnson thank you in ward one there's been an issue with signage that was put up a negative comment regarding another neighbor please talk to me how does it work so this is perhaps the unfortunate underside of content neutrality is that all noncommercial speech has to be treated equally so all those  could have with his name on them could also have negative comments about someone's neighbor and there is some protection there if you know if someone wants to go file a libel action or something like that but that's a private matter that the city can't get into the into the weeds on so you have to assume that any noncommercial sign it's being allowed as a yard sign it could contain a political message you could get in a religious message it could contain a message that's probably offensive to a lot of us in the room ok talk to me i'm getting a little confused about some of the electronic signs so council johnson if we could go to that a little bit further down the line and just check these off of that school ok i do have a question on electronic signs in residential neighborhood we'll get to that thank you not done though we are looking at regulating the material on the signs that right ok i'd like for all of you to keep in mind when you go to order your signs and you get them from an out of state vendor you don't always have a choice and we need to live with what we're doing appear it's not always easy to get signs that are going to be compatible with this also remember there is a cost involved currently signs cost what about for twenty apiece and when you start going into materials that are not standard keep that in mind you're going to have to live with  six we clarify though i thought you expanded the list of sign i thought that changed right so what what staff is proposing as a follow up and right it's changed it's changed since the last study session but staff is recommending language this is staff science shall be constructed of standard materials were so science shall be constructed of paper vinyl plastic wood metal or other comparable material  and shall be affixed to the ground or onto a fence and so this is the language that we have currently and it's intended to cover that wide range of materials ok so we're not necessarily going with  abel i've got a little bit of a concern regarding the number of signs someone can have in their yard as far as political free speech and free speech in general  some elections are many issues on the ballot and there are many different levels races if you will in people may want to really support all kinds of things i think we we need to take take that into consideration also you mentioned an on line survey please could you tell us how many people responded to  that yes so that was that was for our working group and our working group was the only get the number here our working group was thirteen people so it wasn't an online survey trying to a compass a broad sample group it was just specifically to get a consensus among our working rip perfect ok also when you're ordering political yard signs companies have a standard size that you can order and so if we get too goofy regarding the size of a sign it's going to be difficult even finding a vendor that can accommodate that we have to live with what we're going to be doing appear and i just recommend you understand that usually the only people that pay a whole lot of attention is your opponent so they're the ones that are going to be calling into the complaint line for the most part and the last i'd like to say has there been a lot of public outcry that we start changing a lot of this why are we actually going to be changing what we've already got in place so that has to do with the supreme court ruling that's why that's why we're digging into that i understand and some of it are we also looking at other variations of that and has there been a lot of complaints regarding things that soto respond to your question the there have been some additional allowances added to the sign ordinance but generally the draft doesn't restrict signage any more than the current ordinance so and then to answer your question no the working group once we work through comments and questions and when i've had inquiries once you know once that the person asking the question looks into it and understands what we've done with it there hasn't been outcry thank you ok so for consensus sake there it sounds like the council wants to ensure that there may be more square footage allowable or a bonus allowed military as far as allow is from january first through april thirty first and from november sixteenth through do ths ember thirty first to sign shall not exceed sixty four square feet an area at the rate of thirty two square feet an area person face so the square footage as we could make appropriate for lake would be right they have a convo about january first through our august thirty first and november sixteenth through december thirty first so i think  i just want to throw out my preference for i am all for maybe a bonus period but you know we are talking about a static says well and i'm just feeling like you know there's going to be a lot of things where we get a lot of pushback so i'm much more lenient and i get free speech i certainly never want to shut that down but we certainly between twitter and facebook and next door in our front yard in i'm just saying there's no shutting it down if we wanted to but i just also don't want to have neighborhoods where it just looks every cause every candidate and we're inundated year round i mean certainly i just want to see if we can get some consensus around some time that we can then deal with it but we're not being inundated year round that just feels to me what i would i would suggest i think we might need a little bit more information on those options and that could be something that could be implemented as we go forth and first or second reading is acceptable but know you understand the the area would like to go council be to just one quick comment it's not only an aesthetic issue but i think it's also a safety issue because when you get the number of signs that we see like over here on that upper right hand corner and that's on a busy thoroughfare that can be a distraction to traffic and so forth so i think that's something we have to think about too and not a kids who might be out at night with an opportunity to take some signs ok next next up we have and kelso johnson earlier asked you know where did some of this come from these next one is directly we've heard from the business community and so i appreciate your willingness to look at the  feet height limit increase and that's a twelve my question you know you mention that there could be some issues with trees but i think that was essentially up to the property owner as well as what they would want to see my question is going in increasing the twenty five percent area again i appreciate that is that enough of an increase and how did you come to that  as i mentioned before there are ethical things so so for some people who want to get their message out there's never enough height and so the twenty five percent was sort of relative to the additional distance that staff feels like it is away from the sign but that that amount could be different if council wanted to give direction on that think maybe an idea of what that would look like and i think we know of  an example of a business that has struggled with it and maybe to see what that would look like if it needs to be more than twenty five percent and does council have any concerns about the eight foot to twelve or the twenty five percent ok so we're good there thank you electronic messages and so we have mr johnson who has a question as well as there was a question about regulating resolutions so i'll go to kelso johnson first with her electronic message one question thank you i just have a question on the electronic signs there is one in garrison at about thirteen through a tattoo please so in terms of garrison and i think i think i'm aware of the sign that may be causing issues so that that particular property is a commercially zone property and garrison is not a local street so by the way the standards are written currently right there they're allowed to have an illuminated sign and so as propose we wouldn't be changing that and there certainly would there are some instances within the city where there is an arterial or a collector and you know businesses can have signs that are illuminated and i think we would take direction from you know from the council on whether we want to have additional illumination standards and i think romney on is something that's desirable along west colfax and perhaps other places in the city lakewood so i definitely we heard that and i want to make sure to go back through the sign ordinance and make sure that we're not prohibiting neon of course i want would like some direction on that but i think it's more of an effort of just going through and making sure there was nothing inadvertently put in that prohibits neon because again i think i had looking for feedback but i think we would like that within the city in certain instances then with we're guard to the electronic message signs there we can certainly talk to the technical aspect of it but what's written in there is is the the lower resolution signs have higher spacing between lights are lighted dots and then the in the commercial centers the spacing is narrow we're so there can be a higher resolution sign and so the intent is to have the sign technology match what's allowed in terms of the message not the message but the display on the sign so for businesses that have one hundred eighty linear and there's an article in the colorado in that says that fort collins you know likes their science standards and they like that pixel spacing in terms of what it does for signage in the community so i would you know i would ask the city council for input but based on review with the working group and the planning commission the recommendation is to have those lower resolution signs and the higher resolutions lines or anything else under the electronic messages and or so thank can't pay a broncos logo on his garage door no no sir he's sure about the you understand you're talking to an audience and likely colorado yes yes or under the it would be the same under the well i suppose you could under the current standards if if council wants to allow murals on garage doors in residential properties  it looking for direction to do things here i do want to apologize to all the folks who are waiting patiently to speak on other issues secondly going back to the election thing we'd better allow bronco signs and rocky any of the other local sports teams let it go but to the point and i certainly understand and but when you're dealing with private property and a lot of people in lakewood live in our community because they're not in an h o way and they don't have those types of rules so i would be a little bit concerned about implementing something like that i mean what i think is somebody else you know may not or vice versa but to have that opportunity that's their home that's their property i don't know if there's clear direction from council but that's something that we can certainly address but i'd be curious specially first amendment on that and not allowing that on your own i would remind the council that and this is not to cast an opinion on the is that it is you but if you are going to allow people to paint broncos signs in their garage you're going to allow them to paint anything on their garage and  particularly well publicized case out of north carolina it was five years ago the paint on the garage was actually paint that was criticizing the city council so i understand right i understand that if you're going to allow bronco signs it could be a it could be a sign that that is criticizing a neighbor or it could be a sign that's that's criticizing counsel you just need to recognize that that's that's the world that we live in now i'll help compose that sign criticizing counsel ok and so leslie it sounds like you know go forth we can have the larger discussion on the painted wall signs coming back we heard a little bit about sign competition the feather signs the waving signs so that something that council wants to take up this evening or try to address as we go to ok so probably some more information as far as the wind signs and the hand signs go district board member ok thank you very much and resolution that's to the point mr hunter mr hunter you here you know here well thank you for  passes ten eyes zero ne's congratulations mr hunter thank you for your service next up is public comment and this is the point the meeting where the public is invited to address the city council on items that did not appear on the agenda all comments should be directed to the city council i ask that on attendance observe the decorum of the council chambers and refrain from applause or audible supporter discord with the speaker there's a three minute time limit this little box will be green for two and a half minutes it will go yellow indicating about thirty seconds left and after your three minutes is up it will go read and i'll politely ask you to wrap it up again this pertains to nothing  that's on the agenda so if folks want to speak on the consent agenda they'll be a public hearing right after public comment on that first  even as an older american i am here to make my contribution to my community and the people in my neighborhood mr mayor city council over the past several years i have been involved in questions concerns and comments regarding the development of the joy burns property two hundred sixty apartments all to green mountain over the past several years i have attended meetings of the planning commission city council and the lakewood planning department as about a month ago i am firmly convinced that certain members of our elected city council in the planning department have absolutely no empathy for nor are they truly representing the people that hired or voted them to the positions they currently hold the history of the two hundred sixty apartment complex that was recently approved by the planning department has been very  failed due to a referendum that failed together public support that should have been a huge clue to the planning department and the zoning commission the developer then returned with a proposal for two hundred sixty apartments that that proposal was rejected the developer then proposed an alternative patio homes the patio homes had significant support from all residents along self street as well as the residents in the town homes along as well as others in the neighborhood the patio home proposal was of a density that is compatible with the surrounding community and is more likely to be absorbed into the existing capacity of ohio and mississippi street traffic and other in place infrastructure such as sewer water and the local schools without notification to developer the planning zoning commission the lakewood planning department the mayor and certain members of the city council changed the zoning from commercial to m e s that change which appears to have been purchased and or promoted by joy burns realty and the wood development group now permits two hundred sixty high rise apartments shoved between the owner occupied single storey homes and the low rise two story townhomes in the medium of the planning department travis parker the planning director and caro milla promise to keep all affected parties informed during the review approval process not one word was ever received by the property owners and or the residents of green mountain that were being adversely affected by this development they lied to us the planning department has been acutely aware that the proposal for two hundred  sixty apartments was not an acceptable plan this was demonstrated during the presentation by the developer at green mountain high school the developer in the planning department was acutely aware that his proposal was not going to be received very well by the adjacent property owners as was evidenced by the security personnel the developer head hired for the presentation as the city planner travis parker is obligated to take into effect the ramifications of any proposed owning change and he submits to the plan interzone and commission it is obvious that he did not adhere even to his own mission statement which is the planning department works closely with city departments to facilitate appropriate land development that respects the character of lakewood many unique neighborhoods provide for a healthy economic base and enhances the quality of life in our community not one public meeting was ever held prior to change zoning including the review approval process of the project by the planning department so just how does one justify the rezoning and approval of an apartment complex such as ulta green without considering the community into which being thrust does the financial gain of one individual that doesn't even live in the area take precedence over the residents that have lived in the area for more than thirty years if this project enhanced is the quality of life in the community please explain how it does it is the increase crowding of local schools the increased traffic the watering restrictions and increased costs of crime and fire prevention enhanced home could  please explain i get about two more paragraphs and no surgery or three minutes is up by granted you time last week as well so please wrap it up thank you we don't yield that way but thank you so just wrap it up please ok i who has the decision to approve this two hundred sixty apartment complex considered the negative effects of property values that surround the apartment complex i strongly doubt it is well documented that due to the fact that apartment dwellers as non owners do not take the same kind of pride and care is due property owners this results in the trashy appearance in a degradation of the surrounding community there is still time to correct your comments i am just bear with me there with me or we have a lot of people i ought to be fair and he to everybody who's speaking tonight i let you speak last week out of order please respect the decorum of chambers i asked you last week please do the same tonight get one more paragraph in and there is still time to correct this indignity to our neighborhood and community by resurrecting the proposed patio home single family home project that was one time proposed as the alternative to the two hundred seventy five apartment complex sticking to three or four storey buildings between t low between low rise town homes and single storey family dwellings this is a wall that separates the two longtime neighboring developments that have a canal here out of order please sir your comments thank you we have a three minute time limit please mason's been a while welcome you shaved peter i'll just read the address one three five south brown drive a email from me this week pushing like each one of you and it really spoke to one i wish to address the microphone closer i'm sorry people are having a hard time he concern and that i'm going to relate to a point in time if you will if we'll go back to november of two thousand and seventeen we know what occurred at that point in fact i'm going use that term for the prior to that date and i'd like to use the term new power structure for what is has existed since then i don't need to go into the  reason discus i think i spoke to those as far as the old power structure i mentioned that was in my memo and my email to you but i do relate rather to the  the new power structure which is you folks ok different different city council perhaps a little different perspective on things and i must say  in my view that's one of the citizens of this grand community i think it really you are doing a much better job and i appreciate you for this for your actions since november seventeenth there's much more openness i know that there are procedures and whatever that are being sent down they are being less subjective and i think that is  all to the betterment of the community and now i could go into perhaps a few illustrations of what i'm talking about but i know that that three minute is going to come up pretty quick so i do i will point out one issue if i might and that is i further sense that you will work on current zoning issues which should re e the future occurrence of the two thousand to two hundred sixty green mountain apartments and i'll use the term because to me it's that i'm sorry it's a travesty that is it's a travesty but anyway i think that your actions in the near future will rule out your making that decision in the future i think it will and that gives me a great deal of encourage very valid issues that i sense the community has found wanting in the prior and the older power structure and from that i would be much success if you do that and i'll be watching good evening welcome good evening mare council thank you for the opportunity to speak i'm here to talk about the two sixty apartment complex that is currently under construction i have been a  home in the green mountain states for twenty years and i value that neighborhood i value the social aspect i value the low traffic and i am astonished and dismayed at this looming apartment complex that is being constructed it is i am speechless i do not understand this is not in keeping in any way shape or form with the neighborhood the single family homes town homes condos in the area it doesn't match and i understand that there are a business a commercial strip right there with safeway i don't understand how you mayor paul have told me in an email that this is considered a buffer it  looming multi story construction on top of a hill looming over other residential single family homes is not a buffer in any way shape or form and i do not understand how this was accepted and how it was permitted and i know that you are looking out upon this room this evening to see people are that concerned about the neighborhood and about the quality of life that this area represents to us and i know in my heart that you will do the right thing and find a resolution to this issue that is satisfactory to good evening i'm short here you expect your citizens of lakewood to obey the rules in the laws that have been set up because travis parker acted outside his authority and failed to enforce the zoning code for the altar green mountain apartments this development should be stopped immediately this area was zoned m e s mixed use he permitted a development that far exceeds density requirements without following reasoning rules in standards travis parker in the city council have allowed so many new apartments and condo complex is to be built north and west of alameda in union that our quality of life has diminished the traffic is awful our neighborhood stores are crowded it is high density it's noisy and our neighborhood schools are crowded allowing this two hundred sixty apartment complex to be built is absolutely sinful when you travis parker go home tonight to your quiet and peaceful neighborhoods you should feel ashamed for ruining our neighborhood and quality of our life you all have chosen greed over your citizens i hope you stop this apartment complex  hear go ahead sir anyway i like that one of the previous gentleman had written you e mails i'm here because i'm concerned as well as much of the what the what as to how this got approved or is in the process of being approved i don't have the history that everybody else has on this but i do think there is enough here that should give you all pause as the city council and i ask you equally to look at and reach reflect on how to scott approved or how it's being approved and do what you can to to accommodate that here the citizenry and your constituents like you thank you us some sponsors we have five radio stations to support us and three t v stations in kind sponsorship but that does not give us the extra cash to come up with the in some other moment to sirius ask you or leaving evening my name is carolyn hoff and i live in an eighty seven south called drive i'm addressing the issue with the two hundred sixty partment that the green mountain community is currently facing i guess i have to ask this question would you the city council and travis parker have approved this development if you were living on l cairo with your house facing it i don't think so the concerns with regard to the impact on foot hills elementary have never been a trust as far as i know i've never seen any information about how the impact on photos elementary has been addressed by i have worked in public schools and in jefferson county and i know how these situations impact the schools the concern with regard to the increased number of cars going in and out of the development along with the lack of parking spaces to accommodate these apartments has not been addressed it's just that there's what two hundred sixty apartments containing one two three bedrooms and that's going to be well probably about two cars each and they developer has not allocated enough parking spaces for this development if there is currently no parking allowed on the east side of ohio where all these people put their cars all the overflow we're where was that addressed where's that were the car supposed to go ok where they're supposed to go every month once their leases are up there will be a stream of new first going in and going out causing further traffic issues so don't forget the movers every month going in and out  in your response to your e mail response to me you mentioned that the development is just fine as a buffer and perfectly legal but we already have a buffer with the green mountain town homes that are already there it is my belief that you we're elected to reset represent the citizens of lakewood you in the city council that would include improving in maintaining our community clearly the approval of this massive development does not improve our community it doesn't even fit that area does it increase traffic congestion noise at further stress to put else elementary and reduce property values yes these things do not improve our community there was no compromise for this development again it was understood that the development was going to take place in this location clear that patio homes are townhomes would have been acceptable however there were there was no compromise here the developer who is from somewhere out on the east coast has no vested interest in our community except to make the most money possible and get out leaving our community to face the numerous problems this development will cause so again i close to the city council and travis parker have approved this development if you are living on with your house facing it i don't think so thank you ok ok i'll just put you down or ok that exhausts the list if you didn't sign up and like to please come on  long hard time for that i appreciate that another good thing is see ten by path and eminent domain is out of the out of the picture again sort of rode into the sunset identity the bad news first that it growth initiative still isn't on the ballot campaign finance isn't done yet and hopefully they gets done before the next election so the mayor's buddies in the pot growing and and developers won't try tonight or soon hopefully it's not we don't have to get director approval to get it done  rid of it soon the two hundred sixty partment do the city you know travis has done it like that one guy said don't don't say about the pun but it's a travesty and i asked for trav get fired months ago still not the incompetence of traveston the city attorney on that project is mind boggling so now we get it now we get a lawsuit thank you i can't take travis enough for that now we've got route really value that the city attorney doesn't want to have anything to do with and morrison is trying to up the density on that one i wish we would take care of that little problem all right six months guys i hope you sit down evaluate what you've accomplished over these six months i hope you give yourself a grade and i hope you think you can improve your efforts over the next six months the lection season is coming her from three people so i really appreciate that i'm fairly new to the community just two years we did move to lakewood for the schools we have an older child that has various learning things and there was a great program for him we got i'm a p t a mom i spent a lot of time at the school i think there's a lot of value in that i think that a school can be raised up by the parents doing that right and it's something that i put my money where my mouth this and i thought maybe we'd send sam to the school do this thing help bring the school up get our friends a lot i have a lot of friends that are new to the neighborhood with little kids like mine so i'm very disappointed about this this is my only i mean not the only reason i'm disappointed about it but my main thing is you know we have these young families these kids going to the school and now there's going to be all that traffic and i understand growth has to happen in denver i'm not you know i'm not pollyanna about that it's got to happen somewhere i i just need to know that it was considered that these children that are going to be my child will live two blocks away my child is going to be running to that school and you know by the time he's in fifth grade he's going to be walking by himself there are going to be so many cars and that really concerns me is additionally it's already a struggling school and an influx of mino many more children without more support for the school the schools don't have enough support as it is as i know from my older child who needs a lot of support so anyway that's my point i do appreciate getting back to me i will remember paul be looking forward to the information that you said would become in my way i've already had a indication and if it doesn't then i'll be back i'll give you a call for that cup of coffee suggested and i will say that i'm i'm revved up i'm a person that's involved get out and campaign will be remembering this in the future  the response to this community discourse so i think you'll hear time thank you anybody else and if there's anybody else after that please come down and good evening welcome to give us your name and address for the record six x two south young field court like would come to a cabin a resident in like what for about four years and i did attend many council meetings when i was in albuquerque new mexico i'd like to thank all the council members and the mayor for your service as a citizen like what i'm concerned about this development and how the two hundred sixty apartment came about this leads to serious question about the lack of following proper procedures when rezoning i are along with many like wood and these are just a few citizens are getting to the high density to sixty apartment development because it doesn't fit in with our community it also does not comply with the enemies zoning and raises issues about how it affects our home values parking traffic density and the overall traffic the crowding so i said before this apartment complex single use development doesn't seem to fit in with the m e s own home and we need to hold the liquid government apartment complex union we have a town home partment that just not far from where i live now we've got this thing in the back of us that's got to be built there all over the place and it's just not a good way to pla and it doesn't affect our quality of life so it is the perception of the citizens that the city has not followed the rule of law i really appreciate the town of that you've given me and i hope that you would consider this and look into it perry carefully we're not happy about it and as an older adult i'm really dishonest with us thank you right appreciate everybody taking the time mr mace we can get you that information i'm not sure about the sexual violent predator notifications and how far out they go but we can certainly get you that information  bernie you know we're happy i think i told you that for us too so i'm sorry i can't public comments closed but let me tell you this i have offered my support to help you find sponsors there is you know a fairness applied to everybody who needs to use city facilities so we have to be very careful but i'm happy to help you and i think other people up are up here are as well to find sponsors and help that be a success can i'm sorry i closed public comment so sorry and so we certainly understand and recognize the concerns i'm a forty year resident of green mountain land use is the most challenging thing that we deal with this is something that as you've seen in my emails i've been aware of and been trying to work with the landowner for a year and a half as well as other officials and i understand the concerns there's also a lawsuit that has been filed so i think there's a limited amount that that we can certainly say at this point which is unfortunate and certainly never want anything like this to get to that point i would say that travis parker is not the poster person for corruption he is a dedicated employee of the city in lakewood and you may disagree with them but i don't think it's fair to also attack him personally because of that disagreement so we're going to move forward and continue i hope that there can be some resolution trust me it pains me my dear friend is on the lawsuit who i've known for thirty five years of my life so the consent to jenna consists of items nine through fourteen inclusive item nine resolution two thousand and eighteen dash twenty five authorizing a revocable license agreement between the city of lakewood and m w h s fifty eight hundred l o l p along the south side of west alameda avenue located adjacent to lot five martin martin plaza filing number two for an entrance canopy item ten resolution two thousand eight hundred twenty six approving award of funds under the two thousand and eighteen lakewood community grant program item eleven resolution two thousand eight hundred twenty seven adopting an amendment to the two thousand eight hundred city council policy and procedures manual to include a policy regarding harassment item twelve resolution two thousand eight hundred twenty eight there rising a revocable license agreement between the city of lakewood ensured in station west metropolitan district along the south side of west eleventh avenue and within the street located adjacent to and within west lane village filing number one for street lights item thirteen ordinance zero two thousand eight hundred eight bay catering a portion of the west baltic dr right away located east of south macintyre st lakewood colorado i don't fourteen ordinance zero two thousand eight hundred dash ninety authorizing a real estate exchange agreement with the regional transportation district to address land ownership along the r t d light rail line and thank you madam clerk so we're going to do we're going to public comment right now on this we're actually going to break out the individual resolutions for separate votes there's been a request to do separate votes  on these if that's acceptable well they should probably be read in separately and voted on rather than on a consent interna so they all need to be removed from the consent agenda i guess let me explain why my understanding of the consent to gender is to handle routine business and certainly not looking to make a big deal tonight but we have a lot of folks who've reached out expression about the lakewood community grant program very very interested in seeing how their individual councillors vote and also the harassment policy so i would defer to the rest of council but i just know that the public is of you has great interest in those and has just expressed wanting to know how their councilors vote on that but i would certainly defer if no one else has any concerns so it was a well intended and a request but my understanding is we could do a roll call vote on any initiative but you just need to do it separately and also through the record so an individual reading or you could call both of those items from the consent agenda for a separate reading and read the rest of the and vote on the rest of the consent agenda the only issue with that is bring it all the way back down to  general business so i guess what we'll do is let's go in go forth with the consent agenda as is and ask for separate counsel comments if they want to address the individual issues and then we can go forward from here to look at creating a policy that maybe has an opportunity for individual things to be voted on as out acceptable or right so public comment ms hancock you are up for sed another fellow green mountain grower upper tonight as everyone's coming up here i'm shannon hancock and the executive director of the outdoor lab foundation and i've had the pleasure of speaking with most of you but thank you for your service i've been with the outdoor lab for almost seven years now and i came onboard when al gore last was about to close and it was because of the community and the work that everyone did to keep outdoor lab this sixty one tradition year tradition open that it still survives today and we're coming in today to specifically ask you to support this community grant fund that you have already set aside in your budget to do the work in the community that the lakewood city cannot do and i the people here represents all of the work that outdoor lab does i just wanted to point out a few people that are here tonight we have our new youth advisory board leaders here who have gone out to a lab have been high school leaders have been interns and are now spearheading an initiative to provide a source of support and encouragement for our youth as they come out of outdoor lab as leaders and that includes our lakewood kids we have staff of the nation we have board members if you guys could raise your hands we have kim you don't know me and parents an alumni of the program and i just want to thank everyone for being here the support that you guys gave your local schools last year was ten thousand dollars that meant that they were able to pay for books they were able to provide provide for services that their schools these kids are going to outdoor lab this is happening and we're so excited about that but that means your schools have to help pay for those for you to reduce lunch kids and we could not do it without you i want you to know that we have a private donor who actually pays for all of our overhead expenses so i stand here tonight saying your money doesn't go to us your money goes to your schools and your money goes directly to there is kids and that is so important and vital and we're super proud of that but we can't there's just absolutely nothing we can do without you we have to have the support we have to have these funds that are already approved this grants that we've already filled out that has already been approved we need you guys to release these funds so that we can help your schools and as our middle schools are preparing for our sixth grade students it becomes even more vital because they don't have time to put together the resources to do their own fundraising so these funds are more important than ever to get them ready and to give them the headstart that they need so i just want to thank you again for what you have done because it has made a lasting difference on your schools that outdoor lab this weeklong residential science program so much what i do my my profession is thank everybody and what i do need is i need everybody around the jeffco boys and girls club what we do every single day after school through school year from three pm to nine pm monday through friday one hundred seventy kids six to eighteen every single day and then all day all year long we serve over six hundred kids that equates to three hundred families or households in the jeffco community an embryo mentor that we serve and what are you what i do in my profession for most of the time is us try to find a way to make it very sustainable it takes three hundred thousand dollars a year to run an operations and and in order to do that with any kind of business structure i need multiple revenue streams right most importantly i need the interests of the community  stand behind it i mean the corporate partners and our sponsors i need individual grants and i need the product communities in the governments to also step in those things and so far i'd like to say thank you for doing those things you've really stood behind your community need made it accessible and affordable for all of our families to use our club every day when you come to the boys and girls club and we try to never close or doors to those who need us most it's two dollars a year for entire service of everything that you receive at the boys and girls club holistic are there to provide everything that kids need in the twenty first century to be successful we have academics we have stem technology programs we have the arts we have sports in fitness we have social recreation we have teen specific programs and health programs and prevention programs things that have been supported nationally by the federal government even to say boys and girls clubs of america is a worldwide organization because we're the partner of the u s military and u s built military bases throughout the world we've been around since eight hundred sixty where we started in boston and slowly spread our way across united states where we now have four thousand clubs across america never would be able to do that with the holistic support always on this with the community and some others from the community have always stand behind us and they like to say way they as well would like  to the kids themselves i have i have two leaders right now and probably three team members a grew up inside the club and i understand their story it kind of chokes up if you really understand the alternative to what not the boys and girls club could deal right now one of our one of our leaders are drawn to give a message a couple a couple years ago to fundraise in group and shared her story had not been for the club options would have been open to her where she has a she has a tragic story that the boys or girls club the solution for had a solution for them it provides an afterschool program dysfunctional to productive it creates value the mentorship and the staff that are so committed to these kids it's a lie it's a game changer for them and i've always and when they get to where they can be contributing citizens in the society so huge impact of this to the students the second would be family side and i have i have two moms that have kids at the boys and girls club here and you have to go and i can tell you  for one of them is the single mom of four her again it's a lifeline for her to know that her kids can be taken care of after school in a program that's not babysitting it is legit academic education support for the program her kids love it there and it is a lifeline for her to know their kids are going to a place that is productive and unsafe for her or her kids to be at i can say you know firsthand i've i've i see the impact the club has the value means to them students and to families and to keep the unit together i've been a donor both personally and through the business for the last several years back to have a weeklong fundraiser this week as another element to fundraise in the book about to help contribute to make a difference in these kids lives and i appreciate what you do seriously consider continuing to find and know the impact that it has to our to our families and to our youth things thank you and for the record you both signed up to speak and you both came in under three minutes but i also have  the honorable scott store you signed up to speak honorable welcome the chamber sir i'll be quick a little different spin on this you're fun this funding it's a public safety issue truly a public safety issue i'm a former elected district attorney of jefferson county and i'm still with the d a s office and one of my primary responsibilities is on drug court i serve on the drug court and you know what i see this drug epidemic is no joke it's real and their kids and i read every case i know every kid in that in that program they start with marijuana thirteen fourteen years old they go to opioids and heroin some of them die it's tragic  now dr dale elliot i don't know if you're familiar with him he's a guru when it comes to juvenile violence juvenile substance abuse university of colorado and he was a leader of a research project others federally funded regarding such as buz prevention programs some of them don't do any good some um actually do harm but the number one program as far as not substance abuse treatment program but as far as keeping kids clean safe is boys and girls club number one in the nation when i was the elected district attorney  thinking we did not have a boys and girls club here in jefferson county we do now and councilman roy ball you were on that committee if you recall and we worked real hard to get a boys and girls club here now funding funding for boys and girls club we depend on the private sector certainly but on the public sector sector and like i said this is a public safety issue i think a primary responsibility of government as you all know is public safety and this really is the direct nexus why because what they do with boys and girls club which has been alluded to already is they really focus on helping living with these kids and these are high risk kids high risk high need kids they focus on  lifestyles and it's not like lecturing or anything else i wish you would all just take a tour because this is clubs in your community take a tour and see what they do it's an amazing thing it's very successful and glad we have it here and i just urge you to continue supporting this because what by continuing the support for the boys and girls club you are here also contributing to public safety for the city of l a could trust me you are doing that thank you thank you all right the stevens who is the camper thank you all very much bremer's the city council thank you for this opportunity and welcome shields that i'm the chief executive officer of family tree family tree as you may know has been here in the demetra community and specifically in jefferson county community for over forty years we work on the issues of child abuse and neglect to message and homelessness and we treat those as in a related issues and we work to help empower people in our community to find strengths they didn't know they had to create lasting positive change in their lives we feel at family tree that the lakewood community grant program is a great opportunity to partner with the nonprofit community by the city of lakewood to be able to invest in services and opportunities that the city would not otherwise be able to do or not find practical to do at family tree we specifically requested and have since the inception of this program to ask that the city invest in family tree to help provide opportunities to help families and individuals experiencing homelessness in locating housing providing case management employment education services and other vital wraparound services again to help them reach a higher level of economic independence i just wanted to provide a little bit of perspective around our participation in our partnership with the city for the past three years during that time frame the city has provided a little bit over thirty six thousand dollar investment in family tree to do this specific work of helping people expressing homelessness create a higher level of economic independence in their lives with that thirty six thousand dollar investment in family tree we were able to serve and help provide housing opportunities for one hundred households experiencing homelessness and our primary objective in impact measurement when those families are exiting our programs is to ensure that they are in safe stable and permanent housing in the community with that hundred households that we were able to help we had a ninety four percent success rate over those three years so conservatively citing a study that is published on the colorado department of human services website around the cost of winter cost savings of serving just one person experiencing homelessness in our community conservatively that being about twenty four thousand dollars per person if we apply that to the ninety four percent success rate the family tree has been able to have in partnership with the city we're conservatively talking about approximately a two point two million dollar cost savings or cost avoidance to the city in terms of public infrastructure and other public needs for these individuals and families experiencing homelessness so i want to thank you for that investment i want to i want to ask that you continue to make this vital investment back into the community it is necessary and it is important so that everyone in our community has a safe place to call home thank you very much i have mr fleet  mr and mrs fleet thank you very much mayor paul and members of the council and my life here is to give me support and sigh i will make some comments and she's a boss my boss anyhow so she needs to be present as president of the board of the lakewood symphony orchestra and members of the symphony orchestra that i represent like with symphony orchestra are very pleased and i really mean this to have this opportunity to thank you the city council for last year's grant which enabled us i want you to know what we did with the money which enabled us to purchase and present exciting by a exciting new music to our audiences in fact we know we don't just sense it we know that the music we bought and played was very instrumental no pun intended enabling us to perform to to sell out audiences the season this was a real eye opener for us with a third sellout expected for our last concert on may thirty first if you're interested it's the last day of may right across the way here i think you all know about a liquid called the center here's a shameful marketing side note get your tickets now they are going fast  you left a great city deserves and i maintain needs a great symphony orchestra we look forward to and need your continuing support for our growing excellence please come and hear the music that you helped us purchase and present to our citizens that way you'll get a much better feel for what i'm talking about and why the money was so important to us and so important to our audience thanks very much and that is all that is signed up so if you'd like to speak please jump into the bullpen hi i'm maire and counsellors i urge you to vote in support of all the city grant programs we're lucky to have such good excellent nonprofit organizations and  doing good work and lead in lakewood and jefferson county county it allows us not to invest as many resources as we do otherwise have to here and i i wrote an e mail to you all and i really appreciate you all that answered and because of other people who who have already talked to their wonderful organizations i think i'll talk to second when fun  because we i was around when it started big it started nearer nearer it actually a lady at our church was involved mary wylie surname but her son had committed suicide and i think that had a lot to do with her speaking to the four deaths that happened at green mountain high school and that's where it started and it's i think they have a record my understanding i just go to their walk and run so i don't know but my understanding is it's really effective and there are many many children without funding they don't have money for counseling and it's a real easy way to get a reference from one of their  teachers or somebody and authority and they get the funding and anybody that has gone to the counselling hasn't committed suicide so if you can reach out just at the right time it's just a really good effect and bureaucratic as i believe i believe it just helps them they they go get some counseling and and they don't commit suicide and so i'll speak to that one i also love outdoor lab i love the lakewood symphony orchestra and i don't know some of the others but they sound great i don't like looked at him i just don't know him but and it's only seventy five hundred bucks this is the best hundred thousand you'll ever invest so do it thank you i've been on the board of the lake legacy for seven years and this year i did have the privilege of sitting on the review committee for the granth we talk a lot in this chamber about the quality of life of late quick and we all agree we want laid for to thrive and we want it to grow and we do all care that's why you have so many people come we took that into very hard consideration when we looked at these and you've seen and heard from a lot of great organizations there's lots more in our community and we really took that into consideration and i believe what we've done by looking at the grants will make lakewood a better place thank you thank you thanks for being a part of  anybody else i write with i will close public comment i'll ask the mayor pro tem rival for emotion mayor paul high order all ordinances introduced in the first reading to be published in the denver post with a public hearing set for the date included in the ordinance and to move for adoption resolutions all of which are included in the consent  items introduced into the record by the city clerk q second ok so we have a motion in a second i'm going to go to council member comments  thank you so there's a couple of items in here that i want to say a few words about should i do it all at once or ok all right so i just want to start with the community grant program i think this is one of the most important ones to me of the year because i really believe that our job on council is to provide the best quality of life for all lakewood residents and a lot of the people you know i see a lot of need in our community when i'm out of schools in different events and you know if you volunteer at the action center people who aren't always able to come and make it to our seven o'clock meetings and i think that this represents a really important way that we can impact the quality of life of all eight but residents we hear about the needs in our schools about homelessness and i think that i think that the comments were just so said also referencing the public safety impact this is just a really efficient effective use of our dollars i would love to see a unanimous vote on  this so again i'm just so proud to support that and so thankful for all of the hard work that all of you do day in and day out to meet the needs of those that need it the most in lakewood  and then i want to also just say a couple of things about the adopt the adopting an amendment to the policies and procedures manual to include a policy regarding harassment i am very very proud of our council for all the work that we did on this and i'd like to just think a couple of people and really like to think  did i pronounce that correctly who was our kind of resident expert on workplace harassment policies jody erickson who served as our mediator and really helped us through some difficult  discussions and then all of counsel who you know we had three additional meetings in the last month to work through some of the details of this can be really sensitive issue i'm very proud of what we came up with were really paving the way forward to address an issue that's affecting every level of government to create a safe work environment for everybody so thank you everyone for getting this done i think that i'm very proud of what we've done thank you french thing smear paul i first wanted to talk about the community grant program wanted to acknowledge all of the folks who reached out with some very personal stories about how the various charities had supported them their family or neighbors in so really appreciate that and of course appreciate all of the organizations for all of their good work i did also want to call special attention to the second wind fund to make sure that people know that they provide a depth and breadth of resource information that is out just out of this world and i had a coworker who expose her son committed suicide and i didn't know where to turn and when i went there for resources and things to recommend to her i was amazed at how many services and other organizations they bring to bear so i really appreciate that i did want to say that doesn't mean i'm giving up on lakewood gives i might have found my post council mission in life is i think that that would be beneficial these organizations need a whole lot more than we are giving and so i don't know that we've given up on that i think that would be a wonderful thing to connect our community to the local charities i also want to remind people to check with your h r department to see if your employer does a matching program many gente many employers are very generous with that matching and it's a way to extend your dollars so if you haven't signed your giving for the year consider doing that and then extending that through your employer and then when to switch gears and talk about the harassment policy i'm very pleased that we're doing something very cutting edge and i'm very pleased with council that they were willing to put up with additional process and additional review cycles to put something together that i think is a very well crafted document and the entire council and policies and procedures is a living document but the goal was to make the best attempt we could you can never see every possible consequence of the words you put down but i think this council put so much thought and so much care into that i think we have a really good product that we can be proud of that's my comments and then to talk about why i want to put off the consent to gender there was just a lot of folks in the public who really wanted to know how their counsellor was going to vote and i generally don't announce mine but i will be a yes for the consent agenda but i would have been a yes pulling both of these individually as well thank you hugh johnson thank you i'd like to echo a lot of things that have been said and in regarding our harassment policy i'd like to really point out in that and jodie who led us through that all the discussions i think the legislation that we have produced is actually model legislation for other cities other cities don't have policies like this in place and i imagine that they'll be looking at ours and and copying it and now i'd like to get to the charitable giving i will be supporting it i want you didn't know in the past i have not not because i didn't believe in the programs that it supports i sat on the committee a year ago and the process was very honorable it was clean and things were looked at in a way that was fair to everybody that had an application frankly i think you do god's work and you make a difference in this community on many levels i'd like to say i think that our city can maybe go a step beyond which was what i was trying to get across in the past i'd like to see is have a dropdown on our website and vet the different nonprofits that are out there so that people can go in throughout the year and actually go into your pay pal in and get you money not just once a year but throughout the year a lot of these i would for me personally give my whole chunk to instead of dividing it down because i really do believe in which you're doing there's been a lot of angsty because i have voted no but i want you in the past but i want you to know that i was trying to look at things in a different way where we could be helpful year a collection point for our lakewood gives to augment this hundred thousand that we're already getting and see if we can amp it up a little bit and not just on that day but all year round  johnson mentioned this is an investment in opportunity and the more opportunity we can give especially to our kids but also to bus fortunate citizens out there the better off we are and i'd like to remind folks that not only will we be giving youngsters things to do to keep them out of trouble but we'll be doing that for harvey fleet as well so good luck harvey tested and we have some liquid legacy folks here with us and maybe that's another opportunity at the big boom bash to promote the legacy as well as maybe create an opportunity for for more matching funds so i want to thank the legacy i want to think mary in june for your hard work on this every year you do a great job mayor pro tem roy ball is part of this lecture group as well and this is very meaningful and what was cool this year is there are a lot of recipients and they touch a lot of different parts of our great community we heard a little bit from family tree you know we have one family shelter in the city of lakewood in potentially in jefferson county they're in crisis they may not exist anymore and when we talk about things that we've heard about colorado coalition for the homeless there's so many things so many needs out there and for us to be able to says truly investment in professional organizations who do things i think much better than the government could provide so that i think that's tax dollars well spent i'm thrilled to support it and i think all the people who do such a great job who care about our community i want to echo something about second wind which is really cool because it has come full circle it did start at green mountain presbyterian church i believe and it's coming back this year so it had made its way to the fairgrounds and then to climate park and this year will be back in our community which is really special and there's a lot of the meaningful things that have come out of that i think we've all been touched in one way or another by every organization on this list so i'm thrilled to support it i'd like to address the harassment policy on i think jodi wow thank you for all your help with all of the policies and procedures  unique group and he did and tennant as well and kathy you came in and really helped us get this additional a den to put on to make sure that we have i think probably the only council or governing bodies one of the only that will have true harassment policy luckily in my ten year i think there's only been one instance when something like this would have a risen to risen to the point where we would have had to deal with something but we haven't had to have that and so i'm thrilled to support that and i want to think councillor good wine this was passionate for her and councillor skilling who really lent his his own expertise to help make sure this is a solid policy entities i will help feed children in for conspiracy theory it's out there i had nothing to do with it i wasn't part of the process on all counts they would mean you got that back there all right so do we have a motion in the second all right so please cast your  we gave up on that i guess so two thousand and eighteen dash for repealing and replacing in its entirety chapter sixteen of title fourteen of the lakewood municipal code relating to requirements for park and open space dedication and fees in  ok thank you very much for those that watch this process and do a quick history first reading we had on this was in march and then it was moved for more discussion on april ninth with a second reading for april twenty third which then postponed and we've had another opportunity through a study session and now we're here again tonight  the the general consensus i think has been there were four different versions and a frankenstein version has emerged but it is most similar to if it proceeds tonight and we'll have some consensus before i open the public hearing it mirrors the option the first option that came to city council on march twenty sixth and without voting i want to have our community have a better sense of where that potentially is going and i'm going to ask councillor skilling to talk about what he envisions and then see from council there's a consensus and then  study session is that we reverted back to two principal ideas the first one being that any land education or any land education of fifteen acres or more is going to be strictly land with no fee in lieu possibility and then the second part is we're going back to the option one which is the fair market value as being the formula that we use when coming up with at least part of the form of it's used for that fee in lieu and then secondarily on that as discussed in our last study session in hopes of getting some of the council has raised some equity issues and trying to make things equitable we looked at using a density factor which should help with that and that's part of the four section of the four as part of the formula those are the biggest differences from when we were here at study session and as mayor you indicated we are somewhat full circle and none of these ideas are anything that we haven't discussed now at length both with staff with the city attorney and among council so that's where we are generally what we would be discussing tonight thank you counselor so does that give a kind of a clear consensus that doesn't mean we're voting on anything or accepting anything but a clear consensus of the framework that we're going to work off of following the public hearing portion ok so with that said i will open the public hearing on item fifteen ms mara would you like to come  thank you i'd like to take a little bit of a different approach than my previous three minutes at the various times lakewood is unique in the suburbs of the west metro in that what we are known for is not our and building not being a mecca for primary jobs were not a tech central location were not a think tank capital  what we're known for is that our suburb makes us unique and what draws us people here is that we're known for open spaces or green belts that that amble through our neighborhoods the wild life that used to come down from the hill but doesn't anymore but still we are known for the fact that when these standards were sad we considered open space green belts wildlife not formal parks necessarily although we have nice ones but that every little space every little development every big development needed breath needed harmony needed health scientific studies have proven over and over again whether done in europe whether done in philadelphia whether in chicago whether done in cleveland whether down in cincinnati having green space and green belt even if it's a strip of green and a few trees planted around an apartment building around a development lowers crime in philadelphia in one area in an experiment at lower narcotics possession and crime eighteen to twenty seven percent when they tested changing gray spaces cemented over areas into green fields just green spaces nothing fancy nothing formal it's notable that that during that same test period crime in the city in general and up sixty five percent but where they converted from gray space to green space it went down statistically significantly eighteen to twenty seven percent for those of you that have expressed concern about updating this ordinance because of affordability and you're some of the most vocal people about sustainability how in god's name could we vote on anything that favors widening the margins of developers to the detriment of sustainability in this city one tree is the equivalent of canceling how the carbon footprint of an eleven thousand miles a vehicle that's a lot of people using a bike that don't use a bike and lakewood one tree so every time you allow somebody to opt out of the required green space or green belt as small as it might be one and a half acre provides a counterbalance to everything we complain about happening in the city density crime pollution did you know that twenty five hundred square feet of just a wheat field provides enough clean oxygen for a family of four or so yes the small allowances for development under fifteen acres whether it's an acre and a half doesn't have to be a formal pocket park that field is important those trees are important they're important for physical long has been studied in europe they're important for mental health has been studied here they're important for pollution and sustainability they even lower utility bills because they lowered the temperature in urban and suburban areas that have been paved over so all the things we like to talk about in lakewood about sustainability and quality of life are actually addressed in this little ordinance we must maintain our quality of life not just because it's some esoteric ideal it's cheaper for the city it's safer for the citizens and it is healthier lastly i want to dress the ford ability issue people that are wealthy income by big homes on big lots with expensive landscaping don't need to rely on you and your ethics and city standards as much as people of modest income do we were a in this is own to provide for us trees and green belts and i don't care if it's a twenty five hundred square foot empty field like we have in my neighborhood we rely on you to protect the people that need that protection the most and as for affordability and this is my final point the big numbers you throw out will hurt the price of housing amortize that over the life of the loan on which people are qualified especially low income and modest affordable price housing it works out to in some cases with the numbers the city threw out two dollars and fifty three cents a month that's the difference four dollars and fifty three cents a month in the worst case scenario of seven thousand dollars hundred forty four month the average americans supposed eleven hundred dollars a year on coffee at starbucks and other such places this for fifty three month isn't going to make a dang bit of difference on whether or not you can afford to live and what the price over time is going to be but it is going to make a difference up or quality of life thank you and your ability to sell your property thank you thank you evening good night yes thank you for letting me come back again i'm here once again to speak for the cause of affordable housing and to request again that you please include the waiver for affordable housing in the calculation if i understood the framework right you're looking at a market value of land which could really quite severely impact our ability to even get funded for development and so it's not merely that it adds costs to development as i said last time but it quite likely makes us not compete to be able to get the tax credits that we need in order to develop when the other things i looked at just since the last time i was here is the number of affordable developments over the past three years and kind of what the impact would be to the city on not having those fees in two thousand and fifteen city thousand and eighteen so far forty west residences opened which would have been they probably paid sixty four thousand for there so in a three year period that would have been the impact of not having the fees to the  city on the other hand if the fees raise so much that we couldn't even develop those properties in three years as you heard mr shields say you know it costs to have homeless people so the more that we can save and develop affordable housing that we can save the city in that regard and i'll be here if you have any questions thank you ok so with i'm going to ask mayor protests were able to please make a motion i move for the adoption o just make a motion to accept ordinance twenty eight hundred s for one second follower reading rather than the amended has been a minute right the amendments are to come so that at this point so you all have this in front of you and if you want to look at what it will be cross referenced with you can go to has or i pad go to lakewood or go to the meeting packet for tonight and you'll see the revised seven eighteen version which is what will be contrasting if you don't have it on our copy so with that i will turn it over to the counselor skilling so mary i would make a motion for a series of we do you have a things that before we go into the process you know ok great so i'll keep your light on and you just tell me so the first amendment would be to replace fourteen dash sixteen dash zero one zero with the new section fourteen dash sixteen dash zero one zero scope and application as identified in the strikethrough document so each of these just as an aside as we go through these each of the proposed amendments will directly follow and be below the strikethrough portion this portion talks about what the scope of this ordinance it also makes clear that this is that any developments containing residential uses greater than fourteen point nine nine acres in size shall dedicate land so that would be the first amendment that we add that section in is that clear enough mr cox or do i need to do more you know i think considering the language of the various documents it might be worthwhile to have you read the precise language you proposed for the for each of the sections as we go will do so the amendment would be to change fourteen dash sixteen dash zero one zero scope an application to read as follows each development containing residential land uses shall dedicate to the city park sites and open space areas in accordance with the provisions of this title except as provided in this section at the discretion of the director of community resources prendes director of dedications shall be levied as set forth here in the directors shall use current adopted city planning documents as a guide for determining park and recreation needs in proximity to the proposed development area the park and open space requirements in this chapter sixteen shall be reasonably related to the needs of the residents of the proposed development all developments containing residential uses greater than fourteen point nine nine acres in size shall dedicate land in accordance with this chapter sixteen unless the city council approves a fee in lieu alternative so that is the first amendment is there the motion is there a second second ok so we have our first amendment and the second is there any discussion ok seeing please cast your vote please continue sir merit also off for a nother amendment this amendment would replace fourteen dash sixteen zero two zero with a new section of fourteen dash sixteen zero to zero in titled park standards and since this is a different one i'll read this one as well for purposes of this title the city's park standards shall be a minimum of ten and five tenths acres of park area per one thousand anticipated population within the proposed development this standard of ten and five tenths acres per one thousand population is comprised of the following elements a five acres per one thousand population for regional parks be three acres per one thousand population for community parks c two and five tenths acres per one thousand population for neighborhood parks so we have a motion is or a second back in do there are two issues on one to inquire about under fourteen sixteen point zero two zero there is allowing any of the private ownership to be used in lieu is that correct it exists at a different place in the ordinance it's actually in the new section that will get to fourteen dash sixteen that zero four zero page five of this red line document at the top so i guess if we could come back to that under that section counts are able when ever you want to address that the other issue is fourteen sixteen point zero two zero antique standard it was a national i'm sorry ms hodgson national parks and recreation association and r p i right and that that standard was put in place some forty years ago or so that's accurate and i believe i was told that it is no longer the all the raids i guess it's not in vogue any longer and that's really it's not a national parks recreations association is reckoning each community needs to create their own standards this is a minimum guideline base and it's always been a guideline that they've promoted out there and so there are many communities it will have higher or lower and fans and what this community believes is what appropriate for this commu nineteen eighty three i think you said last week i will have further comments on that ten point five acres and a waiver we have given for the last thirty five years when we get to that point in the discussion ok so we have a motion second the amended portion of fourteen to sixteen s o two  next amendment that i would propose is to section fourteen dash sixteen dash zero three zero and to replace that with fourteen dash sixteen dash zero three zero regional parks provided the city council determines as of the time of adoption of the ordinance codified in this chapter that the regional park needs of the residents of the city are satisfied by bear creek  william frederick hayden park the bear creek greenbelt jefferson county parks the state of colorado parks to the west and south of the city therefore a residential development still not be obligated to dedicate land for regional park purposes in the city consequently that the operating standard for dedication of parkland shall be five and five tenths acres of parkland per one thousand population for community parks and neighborhood parks there's a motion is our second second kill so johnson please thank you just for my own knowledge i don't think we have any landmasses that would even come close come close to creating this anyway do we it could be if we had let developing next to the green mountain park that we might want to add to that regional park facility but it's from scratch no there are not anything large parcels that would do that so in a way it's a mute point you know way in a way it would become part of our standard if you increase that acreage there and looking  at just providing general park space in total to tailor property won't be classified as a regional park distinguish regime parks and open space they're all of that some sort of character for public  i am not sure that council was rise thirty five years ago and taking that five acres for regional parks completely out of the next even if we have no more opportunity for regional parks five acres could go a long way towards supplementing our community parks and neighborhood parks and i would suggest that council might consider retaining all or part of that for general park acquisition had stayed in we would have had something along the lines of forty five percent more parks nearly double what we have put together to retain that far all parks in general than maybe we should look at the requirement for dedications under fifteen acres because if we add that five five acres per thousand there we could wind up with a number of half acre our one acre site that would relieve some of the monotony for us since along would urge council to consider restoring all or part of that five acres that has been cast aside for the last thirty five years because we especially in wards one into motion for a friendly amendment that we retain the five acres it was removed thirty five years ago from the park land equation attributable to regional parks and spread it among community and neighborhood parks for the benefit of our residents so if i could for clarification t going i was also just asking for clarification and then was going to offer some language and just say strike there for our residential development shall not be obligated to dedicate land for regional park purposes in the city strike that sentence and amend the following one so that it says consequences consequently the operating standard for dedication of parkland shall be if you can't that's fine but to get a better clarification for council of what say that proposed change would do from five to ten what that means impracticality impracticality on parcels less than fifteen acres basically the doubling our requirement for the land forty five percent increase in the amount that would require for dedication or fee in lieu of dedication money and where th the language of the ordinance goes what i would do as mr abel said i'm not sure would we take more land in those particular cases it's been pending on the criteria we're looking at it would definitely motion maker well thank you mary i think the issue is twofold so you've got one idea that counsel are able is bring up which is trying to do something for the land side a side which is one thing in the later sections that we see in this that would change our multiplier from five point five to ten point five which is what mr williams just alluded to as we would be going to v and then for clarity fair market value and then we would be increasing it more so i'm wondering if and i'll leave this to the friendly amend or if we could have it the land section i think we're getting at is maybe restore that cast aside five acres to the land section and then address down below we could perhaps if it's going to be a fee then it goes down to the five and a half that's in there now so that's something that would work or no you'd have to separate sree you'd have you'd have your land pure land and then you'd have if you're taking the field be based off point on properties of fifteen acres or more but on fifteen acres or less you would remove that dissonance five acres or that it wouldn't be acres i think the problem that we run into are not the problem i think the issue is that's the multiplier that's the variable amount that gets multiplied in and so if we did i don't know how would work with over fifty you know less than fifteen one of the issues we run into is that it needs to be since it's in lieu of it would probably need to be as we think about this the same number whether it's landed occasion or whether it's the fee in lieu so then we are while i completely agree that the castaway five acres should be restored the issue that we then run into would then be on the multiplier down below it may put that in a  different arena than what we've been talking about here saying that the encrease might be too large to be practical i think that's what i was hearing from mr williams that while i agree that the land that i think a lot of us agree that that land standard that should be the what we're reaching for but in practice if we add that multiplier on top of what we're increasing now it probably in practice wouldn't work but i would drive to note that arvada has the multiplier and place it also has a larger lando nation in place it also has a fourteen hundred dollar fee for part development and while that may seem while this may seem to be a large increase one of the concerns heard is that if we go to four with it we're going to discourage development and we will make homes an affordable i've done some research or valley and westminster charge the most and much more than we do relatively and they have very active development going on in both communities i would say probably more than we have at present also as far as the profit median prices of home homes go or better which is the highest in these developer has a median price home price according to zillow four hundred two thousand dollars westminster which also has active development and the second highest has an average home price of three hundred fifty seven thousand whereas lakewood with the lowest except for the old believe among the five communities we serve lakewood has a four hundred  arvada and close to zero were close to sixty thousand sixty three thousand less than r and westminster so i would say that the is there and i don't understand how that can't be indicative of the impact of these fees so with that said in that perspective as far as those two comparisons we more of an ill see so is this more the regional park aspect where is that land mass and infill city versus arvada westminister potentially still a greater opportunity for that regional i'm not talking about putting money into regional parks and talking about putting the money into community and neighborhood parts what the fees  one of the arguments against higher fees that we've been hearing for the last two years is that it's going to discourage development i would submit that the experience  questionable assumption and that the affordability relative affordability in those two cities is less than the affordability average in lakewood  median so saying that these fees seem to have little effect on either development activity or affordability so those concern think are not borne out i haven't seen figures to back up those concerns and i have these figures that might cause as concerned as the question of that's as far as i'm going with and i'm not saying it's a definite so all indications it would seem that if we add that five acres back into the mix and use it to develop the smaller parks don't think it's going to make a huge difference in either affordability or development activity so that's my argument for retaining certainly and i think everybody wants to see the land piece evaluate i think the trickle down when you go down to fourteen deaths sixteen point four zero based upon what we would change up top starts to pull it out of whack so i'm going to go back to the original motion maker and this might be one where we just have to vote up or down and i'm not sure how it pulls the density factor out of why it would still be the same density factor is just we would be operating from a higher starting point  an increased base but the density figures would still hold as far as making things equitable at a higher percentage no it would be the do we have any further comment from staff on that issue comment step into that trap so i think but you know i think it is incredibly important that we increase our fees like we've all been discussing  i want to make sure i understand how this is going to play out in the increase in our total fees so i just did a quick calculation based on fourteen dosh sixteen  acres per one thousand that we would go from point eight to five to one point five is that correct so that is a which ultimately leads to a forty five percent increase in our fees over what we've been talking about so  i do appreciate the point that there isn't a document that we can point to that says if i increase our fees this much then this home is going to cost this exact amount more i think that there's a lot of factors that play into how much the the homes and other communities that you've mentioned how much those homes are we have and we spent an entire study talking about the factors of  home value i mean it's location location location we have our parks we have our schools so i think that there's a lot of reasons our homes are more expensive than they are in those cities  whether or not it's related to the increase in their fees they're also newer cities that have to add to their parks in ways that we've already established a lot more so i really think that  this process has been a little bit maybe not the most beautiful example of public policy i think that what we're getting at here is really striking a great balance between raising our fees and still achieving affordability so i think that we should just retain it at the five acres because simply for the fact that this would that change and that number will increase our fees another forty five percent where we're already increasing our fees to become more competitive so i would like to oppose that you also made a suggestion so do you want to repeal your suggestion well ows yes ok it's one to piggyback on that a little bit i totally understand or counsel enables coming from and i would just say that i would love to get something done tonight and if we could you know i like the sort of direction we're heading in and i know it's taken a lot of us a long time to get to this point where we feel comfortable that we're doing something that might not have been our first inclination you know there are a lot of concerns about fair market value there's a lot of concerns about where this fee was going and how it's going to affect things and i don't know that any of us have a crystal ball and have a whole clear idea of what's going to happen i know we're going to raise more money so i think that's good without having to increase the burden on the taxpayers so that's a fantastic goal and it's good for the long term health of the community that we're expanding our parks and green spaces and so i like the way we're know so i was just i would just add if it's possible to move this forward i'd be very happy to take another look at it i have to re see how things move along but  i mean so that just a suggestion i so i just leave it there counselor skilling to your motion again that then we will vote up or down let me let me just comment on that i agree with councillor abel i agree that there should be that the cast aside five acres i think it's an old formulation and i think that we should look at some of the new formulations and park standards and see where we're at i think though with that in mind that i agree with him i think that the fact that it has and i don't think he's certain i'm certainly not certain what kind of effect that forty five percent increase the extra five would do that this i'm not cultural because of the multiplier part i would say that i'm not in favor of that from women if i can say that friendly enough if you don't accept the friendly amendment the near then it's gone i would say that you're unfriendly to this but you're still friends just don't agree with me and that's wrong all right with that said so so the the amendment brought forth was stated in full this council clear on what that amendment is all right please number four make a motion to amend fourteen dash sixteen dash zero four zero and replace it with a new fourteen dash sixteen dash zero four zero entitled calculation of land dedication requirements for park and open space provide a minimum of five in five tenths acres of park area per one thousand anticipated population or cash in lieu there of except for developments of fourteen point nine nine acres or greater which know be density factor to provide an estimated an equitable population standard among different housing types a density factor representing average number of persons within the unit type shall be applied to the calculation as follows single family detached equals three point zero zero single family or multifamily attached equals one point five zero senior housing equals one point two five c example calculation proposed development size ten acres proposed density ten acre ten units per acre c multifamily attached park and open space acreage required ten development acres times ten units per acre times one point five density factor times five point five acres parkland per one thousand people equals point eight to five acres of parkland required d dwelling unit changes if any if an area is replanted prior to construction of the development and the number of anticipated dwelling units increases or decreases by more than ten percent the developer shall be required to adjust either the amount of parkland  consonant that should be consistent with the aforementioned provisions and formula or the amount of cash in lieu there of to provide for the change in units at the direction of the director all or portion of the park dedication required may remain in private ownership or private use of that development the land area that may remain in private ownership shall one not exceed now average slope of four to one to be privately maintained and three be noted on development plans for the film and of parkland dedication requirements where is a much cleaner statement in then so that that's more grammatical so we should be able to say it's a correctional on the lines of consistent in place of consonants if that so are we clear on are we clear on that franks and i'm not clear and i think it's just not reading it correctly but he is help me understand that it says it may remain in private ownership for private use and i and less i'm just missing the context i thought we said that it had to be public use but maybe i'm kind of conflating two different issues so help me understand he make sure i'm clear so mr williams if you want to then counsel table this is where he wanted to  come back to we did have a conversation about this i sure have much to add on the it's keeping in private ownership is where and a townhouse unit development they're required to have a certain percentage as open space as part of their private development if they would exceed that amount the way it's phrased here we could leave we could credit them for a portion of their park fees based on that additional land that they're dedicated setting aside for open space within their development and then they would take care of that as this was the open space for that development very few private developments are going to allow public use of land within their development and take take the risk of liability for having other people come onto their properties out there and that's where that came from i was just going to add that in when we when we had option four we had to change that to public and that's what i recall  that's why i was just confused because if if my communities absorbing a lot of the impact of that and then they're not getting the benefit of that amenity so i thought we had change that i wasn't losing my mind you  will point we agreed lester and our last discussion that the purpose of this private open space is to meet a community need in a community purpose and no does not a community purpose if it's considered for their residence only that isn't a minute he they can market so if they want to st with the minimum open spaces it's required by zoning regulation that's fine if they want credit for providing open space beyond that  space believed when the pools are not open space and i don't think a developer would want to go that far so we're talking green space or park space not an amenity that's marketable for the developer and i think mr cox has a remedy oh he had one last week well that's what i wanted to be clear on we discussed there were issues raised by various council people what were paired graphs two three and four in the oh to zero of the sort of master ordinance that we're working on the one that we're making amendments to now and we proposed language for each of those three sections that were then added in those red lines to this document in anticipation of tonight's discussion and my point being there was no action taken to adopt those we had talked about putting in public use we had talked about putting in for a good cause shown in paragraph four of the section all those three sections had those proposed changes but no action was taken on those so whether you want to use that language or not you're amendment it would rip you've already replace that section of that ordinance anyway but we were everybody was saying we put that in last week we put it in as a propose blank so every didn't vote on anything right but it still could be clarified in the section that we're talking about now the the amendment the friendly moments could come in to adopt or to propose what was discussed last week along lines of what you just mentioned so i've got the motion pending now for this amendment we can make amendments to get us closer to that language that you all want to adopt last week i would propose it as a friendly should have somebody read in what the friendly amendment actually would be just that we're clear not that we've ever been unclear but and they have that if i may i can read the language that we proposed last week that entire section and compare it to what's proposed so you can decide what to change so what we had was after our proposed change language was at the discretion of the director all or part of the park dedication required may remain in private ownership provided the privately owned parkland is open to public use and then the rest remain the same the with a list of three criteria and so the proposed new skilling's proposal is all or a portion of the part dedication required may remain in private ownership for private use of that development so i think that clause would be replaced with provided that the privately owned park land is open to public use makes it easier i could just amend the amendment if that makes it easier to adopt that language they just i think so so take the amendment already proposed and what make that one additional change as part of your so moved so we have a motion in the second mayor can i make a point here is one of the things that you put in the scope of the last sentence of the scope is that not so the question is is your would the council want to be able to waive landed occasions on larger developments this is the paragraph where probably should be noted because you this particular pair of you said there's and some discussion requirement so that in the first and fourteen deaths sixty one deaths zero one zero that was passed the last part of that is all developments containing residential use is greater than fourteen point nine nine describes were you what you were talking about and the intent is that you can't at least from the amendment maker to this particular section the intent as we've gone along with this has been that there would be no wa appears we would can we finish this amendment and then we can address and clean up the council waiver was set for any or was that for the affordable housing porson or does that come later comes later ok and i think that was the i think that the intent was that there's a later provision that talks about that everyone will discuss the talks about affordable housing and certain waivers that council may be able to provide either in this bill or cross reference into a later bill but i think that's where that original scope language comes from but within this particular section there we're discussing right now the intent was that it would not be waived so i think that's and that's a good point ok so let's continue with the language then under please to provide a clean up or to the for this amendment for private use of that development in lieu and substituting it with provided the privately owned parkland is open to public use so we're clear on that language there is a motion another amendment this time or make a motion for an amendment to such and fourteen dash sixteen dash zero five zero to replace it with a new fourteen dash sixteen dash zero five zero in title criteria for land eligible for parking and open space use the following criteria will normally apply in determining what type of nature of land will meet the requirement for dedication a land that is accessible from two separate locations by standard maintenance vehicles were from one location with a minimum fifty foot frontage be land or water bodies contiguous to other acceptable parkland or existing parkland see usable land within the one hundred year flood way friends that would not be inundated in a five year storm d special areas of natural historical or cultural significance the director will develop it with a news section fourteen dash sixteen doubt zero six zero criteria for land not eligible for park and open space use the following criteria will normally apply in determining what type of nature of land will not meet the requirement for dedication a land required by cities owning code for private open space be land used to fulfill requirements of the city's storm drainage ordinance such as detention ponds retention ponds or drainage ways see rights of way and easements for irrigation ditches laterals and aqueducts power lines pipelines or other public or private utilities without the written permission of the right of way owner and de hazardous geographical land wildfire areas second motion and second by councillor vincent i i just had a quick question on land required by the city zoning code for private open space example i'm just trying to understand that just real quick well in there's going to everything the district has a percentage of a lot that must of dedications for subdivisions another residential development shall be met at the time of planning or if planning is not required at time of site plan approval the director may delay the collection of fees to the time of building permit  the amount of the fee to be paged be the fee in effect at the time payment is made b if the director determines that a landed occasion in accordance with this chapter would not serve the public interest the director may require payment of a fee in lieu of the dedication or may require dedication of a smaller amount of land that would otherwise be required and payment of a fee in lieu of the portion not dedicated the director may also accept improvements of equal or greater value of the fee that would have been collected i think there's more c v should be payable to the city of lakewood and shall be designated for the acquisition and or development of park and open space land in the same planning district as shown in fourteen dash sixteen dash one hundred in those instances where the director likes to require a fee in lieu of landed a cation the director may subject to city council approval waive all or a portion of the fee requirements for individual house units set aside for households earning no more than eighty percent of the area median income and am i through recorded deed restriction for a minimum period of twenty years so moved their second is that clear enough mr cox procedurally just so the record is clear we had a a fourteen point sixteen dash zero seven zero in the ordinance it was the map which will move to a later section but that would be replaced here by the new section zero seven  thank you so that means that for this particular waiver it would come to city council correct ok dedicated to the city shall not be used in the development process of adjoining lands except as stated in some sections of the section or is reflected in an approved subdivision grading plan b the develop be responsible for the installation of public and prevents a jason to the park site including but not limited to curb and gutter streets storm drainage facilities and bridges made necessary by the development such public improvements will normally be limited to two hundred ten linear feet per acre of parkland this is not include park development are tapped unless such improvements are part of an improvement agreement see all slope shall be stabilized in accordance with acceptable engineering standards to prevent public endangerment and for ease of maintenance the maximum slope shall normally not exceed four to one or other slope treatment will be required d site should be made so simple to city maintenance equipment but i would move that the language that we are just read amend the previous fourteen sixteen zero eight zero and replace it a second we have the motion and the second a discussion seeing them please cast your vote sorry the the existing ordnance draft ended at zero seven zero with the map so from this point on we're not replacing old zero eight zero with no we're just adding a way though so we clarify it wouldn't be the motion is to amend it  madam clerk this is it a ninth proposed amendment is to add section fourteen to sixteen the show nine zero interpretations an appeal interpretations of the requirements set forth in this chapter shall be made by the director appeals of any such interpretation shall be a major record to the planning commission so the motion is to add to this a man add this provision as an amendment fourteen to sixteen zero nine zero interpretations and appeals an appeal i second  lse or franks so just to clarify and question then for the possibility of a reduction for affordable that would come back before counsel but any interpretations and any appeal that would not come back to i just want to make sure i understand that because it seems to be that we're saying now if something's interpreted that's where we've gotten into problems before was interpretation so i'm questioning why an interpretation of language that we now all know our intent in our own minds get that i mean i get that but if that is being misinterpreted why wouldn't that come back to counsel for clarification on that interpretation i guess i'm nissin that i mean we were the ones who designed it so we know what and i know that it will live beyond us don't get me wrong unless it gets changed but that doesn't that just feels like it stops a bit short to me  open for discussion i think my first assumption on that is because on the affordability and affordable housing we probably have one every year other year or two projects in three years whereas with the other i mean i don't i can't speak to the reason why we didn't do that for the other developments but for debility thing i think it was because of so many small we wouldn't see it very often yeah well certainly when and i think the intent to that is the planning commission is our planning body which would be a likely group i would say you could add the council after that i think you'd be i mean i mean you can add to council to that appeal further would be the next step back to all the way back up to coun which is the same group of people as the planning commission but a different body should we change this to say board of adjustment and that the board of adjustments jurisdiction is really limited to zoning matters so i would be expanding the board's authority to give them the ability to review work at night and i point out that the board of adjustment makes other land use decisions or takes other land use appeals in addition to zoning well there are already a declaration area this is from zoning  out of the loop on some things i was thinking about just withdrawing the motion altogether i don't think we need this here i don't think it's really serves a purpose because what exactly are you interpret ing or appealing what or what are you doing and so to mr williams point it doesn't there's nothing there's nothing to interpret and that doesn't happen so rather than get into you know who sees it planning commission then if they're just recommending things they have a final for how would that even work i don't think it's necessary to even have it so i would withdraw the amendment because i don't think we need the interpretation but i'm certainly open to anyone else i would draw my second and she posed the question is just a numerical ordering question well and then can we go ahead and do it all in one swell foop i mean can we can we go so you'll now make a motion to amend by adding the math as zero nine zero not as one hundred is that correct ok ok if so it's just because we mention we reference fourteen sixteen dash one hundred in zero seven zero so note that will need to be cleaned up to make that oh nine oh it's so the next motion that we're making is to add fourteen dash sixteen dash ninety which is the planning area map and we would be incorporating the old area map into this new ordinance second or go elsewhere johnson thank you i'd like to add one last final friendly amendment so this would just be  anything on the floor they have to we have a mandatory look back i don't care what the timeframe is either five or ten years part of what's gotten us in so much trouble with this is that this is been an automatic pilot for what thirty thirty five years five years from now the next council's not going to have any idea what this how this is working if there needs to be any changes we need to have been an automatic look back and i don't care what time frame you skilling but it needs to we need to have the language in there councilor johnson this would be up to you to just say you would like to make a motion that there be a sunset because all the other motions have been made by kills or skilling so if they were an economic look back not necessarily it would be a look back in five years to see how this is going to see if there's been any interpretations or appeals i second that so for clarification if you could withdraw your second pro quick so we can clean up the motion ok withdraw it thank you health coverage hans and kid you give us a specific date two three four five years five years from now what would that be twenty twenty three ok the you have an automatic look back in twenty twenty three of it we normally would say you can't compel a future counsel to take action and that's why things usually take the form of a sunset because you have to act if the thing's going away  to prevent it from going away so in the legislatively they do use that language at the state level to have look backs and that and that's fine just concerned about our ability to dictate that another coun take that action but if everybody understands the concept he agree that there's a date by which they'll be review of the of the ordinance know council or franks so to avoid the problem you just stated if we have a look back at a date kind of certainly say let's say five years you know to get to the month and if that is not then then the sunset kicks in so basically there it kind of takes care of both things it says we're going to review what's been done and we're going to get some kind of a process but barring that if that council decides not to take any action then it sunsets which in essence forces their hand because the public's not so does that kind of take care of both sides of that so we're not i don't know what i'm just trying to find a way forward to but yeah  i don't like the idea of calling it a sunset because that implies if if the next council doesn't take action this dies and i don't want  killed without notice i would like if they want to end it in five years and they need to specify the tet is their their plan i think is just saying that we will be in i think i think reviewing something like a border point of a real quick let's one of the time i still have the floor i believe i believe that's what i said point of order so i can get everybody to calm down and go back to one person speaking thank you and here you know you don't want me to calm dow n i think just calling it a review is sufficient and if the council when five years decides they don't want to review it they don't have to review it but it wouldn't automatically die there be a legislative intent to review after five years that's fine the intent is that the next can't in five years people review what what's happened and how we're looking at it i've always heard the words are the language of look back but if you want to color review just so this doesn't go on automatic pilot and thirty five years down the road we've got some issues that we didn't even that the let the next councils aren't aware so mr cox would that go in the whereas statements would you want to put that in the body i mean if the legislative intent is there to encourage a review where would you want that like what it is in the body because the ok also probably won't see the order so that we create a new section that would say that would be the adopting body encourages a review of these fees every five years yeah i think you could simply say that this this ordinance shall be reviewed  shall be reviewed by the city council in five years or before the end of two thousand twenty three or something else so johnson levy except that that's fine i don't i'm not looking at reviewing fees but i'm looking at making sure that this doesn't just go on automatic pilot without people knowing what's out there so can i second that well done so moved so any other amendments to this amended version of ordinance twenty eighteen dash for fair and equitable process that doesn't penalize those living in smaller units and i think that the square footage option that we had talked about accomplished that i think that the density factor also accomplishes that and it has been tested more than the square footage option  o i appreciate that the process that we went through might not have been the prettiest way that we could have done this but at the end of the day i think that we're really going to do good things for our community and and advancer open space which is one of our biggest priorities while also also just taking into account affordability in affordable housing so thank to years later i think the work in the last two weeks in fastening language that is acceptable to all concerns has been speaks volumes everyone for their spirit and operation and negotiation and i'd like to thank councillor schelling for pouring so much hard work into this and said ok so i want to certainly go that individual council members really came together they talk about making laws is like making sausage and clearly this was that case and it drove people appear nuts it drove people out there nuts most of all it probably drove our stuff a little councillor good wine not just thinking of well we're thinking i'm just saying but i know that these folks have been interacting and you all of been interacting so i'm excited to see i have a feeling it's going to be a pretty good  i just want to add i really appreciate everybody that worked on this and helped get this done we came to a lot of good concessions in my opinion and i'm just really excited about it and i know i've mentioned this to councillor abel i think this might help get a couple of shopping carts off the streets so i think it's an exciting move forward and i think this density factors really exciting because i think it meets the standard of rough proportionality even better than our previous ordinance and is also going to generate fees that are going to really benefit the community in the long term so i'm excited about that so thanks for everybody in their work all right the said last week let's just get it done do we have a motion yeah we do have a motion that was originally read in are so close already councilor there are protests so this will be that as amended ok let's try this again i move for the adoption of all right general business as mentioned in the thank you mer as mentioned in the packet i am proposing that we form a committee to help us along to be the the face of the council or the arm of the council it should say the development dialogue and it was explained in the request for a council action form that i propose we form that committee one member from each ward that we have staff there to help along and that the committee act as in conjunction with staff and with planning commission to help along the drafting of the ordinances that we will see in the near future so for clarification on that i think that's a great idea so when you're looking at drafting if there's issues of contention is it going to be similar to what we do with policies and procedures where where those different options are brought forth it would it would in a perfect world it would be like the original fee in lieu ordinance where you had several options that would come before us and that what it would the goal just sort of one knows the intent is just so that we don't have a ping pong back and forth and the entire building has the same jet we might disagree but at least we know what we're just agreeing about which is currently what we do not fair enough i like it considerable and i think it's a good i can see this committee handling a number of roll aided issues and become the standing committee for  specifically but certainly i think a lot of us have had as we've seen this feel emotion as kind of i think that we have shown that we can work together on drafting things and we've got ideas and i think it'll just streamline staff is going to love us i think it would be great i hope for yes it works out well and we can use this for other things that would be a standing in so that we can get to that kind of a drafting committee and so that these nights i like it i talk a lot about this what counts are scaling so i definitely support it my only question was should be should we be rolling on our housing committee with this or keeping them separate that's my only question thanks so the question would be who's going to be on it because we already have the volunteers for the housing committee in the scope and everything is going to be being presented counselor i had the same question if we can just combine our two housing committees the no one i would prefer not and here's why because i think there is a lot to chew on with housing they can keep themselves busy all on their own this is dedicated to the site planned architecture the mixed use the parking all of those issues it is going to take a lot of time anyway and i think i don't want to add this to that bucket as i think they should act concurrent they'll be on parallel tracks we'll just get so much more done everyone said how housing is a priority which i agree with i think if we bundled it it has a chance of making that less a priority and it might be twenty twenty three when we're doing our look back that we finally get around to talk about housing so i would prefer just to keep them separate this is form this committee works and go from there so if you will email me figure it out between your wards there is one thing i want to mention as we continue to build out committees the mayor is a member of this body and i know that skews voting in some ways but keep in mind that i have the rights of every council member and i am a voting member of this body so i understand that we want five members but the way it's written i'm a member of this body and so i don't think i should be excluded to participate committees are june generally an odd number i didn't stand but i'm a member of this body you understand that i think that as we continue to form committees and i'm certainly supportive of all these there can be a position where i can participate and if it comes to a vote similar to what we did with policies and procedures it comes to the body as a whole but to exclude me i don't think it's proper answer vincent yes aren't aren't aren't you a member of the housing yes i do yeah we're an inclusive i'm just putting that i'm just putting it not saying i want to be on it or hate them just saying as we continue to roll out committees of five keep in mind that you have a mayor that by the charter is a member of the city council well and since we're being so friendly tonight does anybody want to and i propose a friendly amendment to this idea i mean no we're not on a motion i'd be happy to have the mare on there i appreciate things going out there and i'm sure i can participate but keep it there thank you and it's looking good just an update and also lake was hosting the older adult wellness fair at the whitlock recreation center on may eighteenth from nine am to twelve noon  which present company is headquartered in japan we mention mayor hogan they'll be some more information coming out this week is the marathon and you know what darn it our team fell apart that's just as well app and so you can either run the five k fun run or you can run the relay by yourself whatever you like to do but keep in mind there will be road road closures  and it's a lot of excitement if you have the opportunity to get out there and enjoy some of those opportunities  no report or scaling i'd like to thank all of the folks that came out toward for our meeting this last saturday and i think everybody for the discussion and it was very civil and i appreciate the issues that are happening there nobody appreciates that more than me and some others who live in that neighborhood but i appreciate everyone who came out tonight as well and i encourage people to keep coming out and making public comment and so you have thank you again for everybody that came out on saturday fifth and i want to thank everyone for coming out we talked about everything that we've been working on on council and gave a council update discuss all the issues with everybody and i actually do think we've gotten a lot done so i would like to give us a solid b plus instead of the d that we got earlier tonight thank you for frank's so i just wanted to offer a friendly option for going forward on committee assignments because i do agree with the mayor it is why he is one of well eleven votes and so i would be willing since you live in ward for that i would be willing she didn't slip out of a couple spots and let you slip in so the community is still fully represented so you like i'm off anyways just i do think we may want to circle circle back around because it doesn't feel right to just have this sort of exclusive because we are a body of the leaven but we probably need to put some structure around that and my offer will still be on the table at that time maybe i should keep my mouth sh know well we got a lot done tonight and including really pleased we finally got the fee in lieu and i think we did another thing that you're not thinking about and that is we now have a case study on how not to make sausage well yeah just real quick i while ago we had some younger people and i believe some teachers and parents coming here asking us to look at bomb stocks and assault weapons and i was going to bring that forth but then my co counsel told me that there are some things that are possibly happening in federal in the federal rina that may impact that so i just want to let people know that we weren't ignoring them but that there's other things that could be impacting johnson thank you i would just like to go on record and to correct a statement that i was misquoted on and it was taken out of context the lakewood bicycle newsletter came out recently and it quote said the detain mission is that it never be completed because land acquisition for bike paths is a moral that is actually totally out of context i have said that it is immoral to use imminent domain to take somebodies backyard for a bike path a very different context and i just want to go on record as saying that i think it's unfortunate when any of us up here are misquoted and taken out of context oftentimes deliberately for political reasons and it doesn't serve any of us well any of us the community where the city thank you that's certainly graduation and there were three hundred graduates who went on stage and it was a it's always one of the highlights of my career ticket to see cannes with these men and women who have worked really hard for mainly associate degrees and these people come from all walks of life and it was just an amazing experience i think i've done this for five times i just want to congratulate all of those graduates from red rocks community college thank you we still have about four minutes to midnight and she's still here and she has done a tremendous job and continues to do a tremendous job we're very fortunate and grateful and according to our employee relations division chief you are celebrating forty years at the city lakewood has an accurate number and high thirty's i think you might be right anyways that's a long time so congratulations you