trade and i had taken men's business administration in high school and the stand i did in college was in business administration and at the time  had some knowledge isn't for vince ministration in that the university was no small at that time in numbers in building services didn't always like i think it was only like four or five people  night and then they start expanding and then when he expanded last he needed more employees in our fortune of being on board with pick to supervise so you know why did you decide to retire from this position well it well one reason i had to retard because i had a active business going more was at the university put i had a brother who was in charge of the daily day operation and i just took care of the business part and then he got sick in the past so i had to make a decision and i had worked there for thirty four years it was time for me to go control because i'm not as active in feisty as i was when i started writing but we have had our cut i have ten employees and we do a lot of work  in for some one of the things that i really enjoy since i got older and in don't want to want so much i like very active in helping the minority churches in so we've so the rare are forty fifth here forty five years and that's also year so you know do you save yourself for time from that position or passing your business down to say maybe it's just hard to find i would like to have find someone in the family to take a break it doesn't seem that it's going to be do poorly at this time so you see yourself no no no well i mean you have to have an idea of who you would like you know because i would hate to personally pass my business down and then everything just go downhill like i want someone to continue to you know keep  ok so a lot of your travelling took place before or after retirement it was before when i was at university before the time yes ok so i'm any hobbies that you and your wife like to participate in together no mostly just east coast you know right she doesn't fly so she never went to the other place it was not that would hinder you from flying because your wife probably won't come right ok is there any career path that you may have been interested in besides the one that you chose and businesses or anything else that you were interested in why you were in high school not really i love sports and you know every every minority dream to be a professional ballplayer but it wasn't for  because football was mostly or an played a round school you know baseball we could play a whole year round right here yeah that is sure that is very true and then and then when i was coming up it wasn't right is there anything about yourself that you like the viewers to know something about you that's different and unique interesting not no not really i'm pretty outgoing and i think people will understand they know the the prison to protect the room when he was here and i met him ok so that's something interesting about you know being a part of the stage crew so that was you know that wasn't anything that you thought that you could make a career out of or you just  very nice talking to you even is very nice getting to know you you definitely inspire me in your entire family very successful and i pray that one day i get to be a successful is you women have a successful family with all spring or graduating from