okay fair enough okay all right and now as promised i want to introduce our new committee members and we have we have two new members cynthia bush and bob burnham and  give you just a minute or so to introduce yourselves if you don't start but you're good just retired two years ago from santa barbara mtd after almost thirty two years in i was dispatcher most of the time also in public relations customer service so my life's work has been in transportation and i'm truly honored to have been appointed to a committee where i wanted to continue serving to help help my city in many areas covering transportation and circulation so i'm really delighted to be here okay thank you miss i also currently work at mt assistant planning manager before i came to mtd i lived in san luis obispo county where i was a long time transportation geek and served on the bicycle advisory any questions about those comments possibly there or not is there anything to to bring up on that all right see reiss project engineer in public works and i'm here to present the state routes to school cleveland project that we've been working on so our staff recommendation is that the transportation and circulation committee find that the safe routes to school cleveland project is consistent with the circulation element of the general plan the project consists of improvements to five different intersections all of which are on a suggested route to cleveland element elementary school as presented in the city's pedestrian master plan at the intersections of  clifton and sanin as a eucalyptus hill road we're going to be proposing access ramp improvements and then at the intersection of salinas street and clifton street we're proposing pedestrian safety lighting and intersection so the existing conditions at this intersection the center lines actually offset by about fifteen feet when you from just north to south of the intersection and the existing curb lines don't match that centerline taper right now  so in order to improve this we're looking at extending the centerline taper to approximately two hundred and thirty five feet which is an appropriate taper given the existing offset and posted speed limit based on the california mutcd the proposed location of the taper along salina street was determined based on trying to limit the hardscape improvements and therefore  main aur therefore keep the cost down and we're still maintaining a thirty foot traveled way to accommodate ten foot vehicular lanes and five foot shoulders for bicycle traffic in each direction and so the benefits to the pedestrians here will be at short and crossing distance and an improved starting position since they'll be more visible to approaching drivers and there's also going to be no on street parking removed by the project and we might be able to add one spot actually but that's going to have to be looked at after construction and so for the funding for this project we have two different grant sources that are contributing measure a safe routes to school we got a grant for forty six thousand dollars and that's being used towards the design and then we also got a federal safe routes to school grant of two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and that's all towards construction so with the city chipping in about forty thousand dollars we're looking at a total project cost of three hundred and eleven thousand eighty seven percent of which is grant funded and then sort of alongside this project shortly after we're gonna install we're planning to install with city funds rectangular rapid flashing beacons at the intersections of salinas and clifton and  there the existing extra wide driveway is there that the parking in that parking lot is basically people pull straight in and then pull back out and so we didn't want to lose we didn't want those businesses to lose any of that parking so that's why we're maintaining that wide driveway and so there's existing no parking on no on street parking so we're maintaining no on street parking there there's a chance that on the out right now so just to the left of where it just pointed right now there's only one spot marked on street the rest of that is red curb so we're derrick's looking at evaluating that section of street after construction to see if we can actually goals and right i think that's fine right and that's why i mean it's gonna be evaluated after to see if it does make sense or if it can be fit it's not a plan to install it or not to at this point yeah that brings up a question my time i'm seeing bike lane striping in the proposed design that's not in the current plan as far as i can tell is that you're gonna so they're technically shoulders that are striped and so they allow they are and so i went over and drove into some of those streets and looked at that what you had on your map thank you for these great maps and just wondering where did you what did you do to see where the problems were with the kids coming and going to school so did you hear from the parents or well this grant application actually generate was generated the first grant application with the federal seat brought the school was generated through our interaction with coast and the school so they have a really active safe route the school program they identify the areas where they had concerns for their children and being able to walk to them from school so they identified you know the locations where they would like us to address and the primary location they want us to dress was clip the nestling the street and then after we started taking a closer look at it we saw his secret was as big if not a bigger problem because of the offset of the intersection how wide it is on the south side of the intersection that xe street but it was primarily because of the school and their involvement through this our state brought the school program that would contract with coast is how this became a concern and brought  is it has those really tricky bollards like you're going through a line disneyland and the kind of reconfiguring your direction a couple times and so i think the vast majority of students walk to that campus by now some students at in the for this project the specific grant that we got and specifically the federal grant that we got it is limited to these specific five intersections so that with this project won't be see but i'm curious i'd like to see where the road is currently now versus what is expected to be to switch back and forth on the other slide so this is the existing so you can see the curb offsets there okay  them so the centerline offset is fifteen feet the actual curb offsets i believe on the west side which is the southern side and the looks like the southern side in the photo i think the offset of that curves about twelve feet and the one on the opposite side is about sixteen seventeen feet that's a great improvement over what it is right now sure i know if they at the listening workshop for the east side area that was was brought up i think by almost every group there so i'm glad to see that this is coming forward very early in race whole process and the only other comment i have is it's also great to see how much matching money we were able to get i mean for implementing changes um so we're in basically preliminary design right now moving into having thirty maybe even sixty percent plans in the next couple of weeks and then hoping to four actually then measure a money we have to spend before june two thousand and fourteen and so we're hoping for construction probably spring of two thousand and fourteen realistically and the goal of this project is to reduce and vehicle flow yes yeah and there's not a accident history problem at this location but we're trying to make it improve it for the school aged children walking to and from cleveland school so there's a better yield right for the students to get to the school okay apply not just this project but the whole process that the city employees to work with the campuses and and work with the local residents to really identify needs and cleveland does have an extremely high walk to school rate and s extremely intimidating throughout and again that access ramp is really only half a block off salinas and the vast majority of all of those students are just on the other side of salinas and this projects really important and really the work the good work that coast is doing with hazard assessments an elementary junior high in high schools and the interface specifically that the city has at the mobility coordinator level it's kind of like the point person for school projects for pedestrian and bicycling issues to then the what's really the south corner looks like the southeast and the drawing that corner already has an access ramp and we're actually not touching that corner we were able to by positioning the offset where the taper where we did we were able to prevent ourselves from having to do any improvements at that corner i've got a question about the way that it appears in the proposed design are those cut is there is is there just one access ramp per corner or are they go be cut into the more accessible you know these loans will be all diagonal and that's so just one ramp at the corner and that's just based on the constraints that were working with two of  the two of the the what looks like the north east and the southwest corner is those curb radii are going to be have to be a little bit larger to accommodate turning movements of trucks and when you have the larger curb radii it makes it difficult to fit a dual directional ramp and then the what looks like the northwest corner we have such a small parkway and just sidewalk area to work with that we're only going to be able to fit a delta diagonal ramp okay horn i'm just thinking when i was over there i saw a lot of moms with strollers and the extra kids you know walking beside them and running ahead and behind and everything and then in looking at those the sidewalk ramps at the corners it occurs to me that one problem with that that makes it less safe and in a certain instance is if a kid is running ahead and they don't have a curb that like there's a drop off you know and i'm just wondering are there markings on that of any sort of the curd like to make a border just like the kid ran up there is is there a visual um there will be the truncated domes that you see it all the new ramps that were installing that go extend two a hard plastic material that's ray has raised bumps in it for a visually impaired person when they approach the access ramp they know that they're coming into  change in condition you know so it's a ana banning device so somebody officially a person doesn't step into the street so they know they're coming to the curb so i tell you a kid when they hit that they're going to know that something's different there but you know paint putting paint on the ground it's not gonna stop the kid this has to be some type of what happening isn't comfortable you're talking about it would have to be a physical barrier like a curb which is kind of counter productive what we're trying to do and by putting an access ramp right mister pan seconds any other comments i would i would just say again thank you for for your work on this project it's really exciting that to me the we've we've talked about safe routes to schools in this area and this project for quite a while but to me the part that i feel like we didn't really talk about a lot was was the realignment which is really exciting because anytime we have the ability to do that we eighty five eighty seven grand funds especially you know we should be able to make our roadways more reasonable so um any other comments questions all right so all those in favor of the motion say aye aye opposed abstentions alright so it i so we're gonna have a powerpoint and then some plans or whatever you feel i'm going to mix it up committee members jessica grant with the transportation division of public works thank you for having me tonight and i'm here to give a status update on the eastside neighborhood transportation management planning effort for those that weren't here this past november that was sort of my kickoff of the entire planning effort to the tcc back in september of two thousand and twelve we received two direction from council to begin an effort in the east side to in hopes to improve neighborhood livability by addressing pedestrian and traffic safety related issues so since september it was the staff to start to organize the effort and since that time we've held our first initial workshop as council direction we're only to provide two workshops and the first one was we called it the listening workshop because as staff if we were to begin on this planning effort we didn't want to just go ahead and say oh i think we know what all the concerns are and go ahead and try and put forth a plan now we need to take a few steps back okay east side residents what are your concerns and it was a great workshop we a facilitated workshop where we had about eight tables and and i'll show you some of the outcome just of one of the particular tables just to show an example and we had a staff facilitator at each table ranging from parks employees to public works employees community development and we had a list of questions that we wanted to hear back that would be helpful for staff as we move forward on this effort to know about and so the five major topic issues that we focused on were speeding and traffic laws lighting missing access ramps and sidewalk links bicycling and then getting to the bus and bus stops we know that mtd is our leader and all the bus route data we just wanted to know she's not more of a concern of are you having an issue getting to the bus stop is there any problems or added but when you're at a particular is there an issue so i'll take this moment to just quickly switch over just to show you what one of the tables look  this effort it wasn't like we haven't heard from the residents before so we wanted to affirm okay we've heard over the past couple years maybe there is a concern here can't turn there and so that was a really nice piece of the workshop as well so anyway the facilitators asked is do you have any concerns about speeding this particular map there wasn't a lot of information each one as i'll go through as different themes this one was more gist showing this th so anyway we asked about speeding and then if there's any concerns about any particular intersections or anything about motorists behavior pedestrian behavior etc and so they would go ahead the second issue area that we discussed was lighting so we already have we have a great gis system here at the city so we have already records we have as you'll see on this map all the yellow dots are city lights and then and so this one was a chance to say okay given this neighborhood or if we had very limited funds what are the areas that you would focus on etc and then people would mark the map in addition to marking the maps because some varied between tables we also had flip charts where we would organize the notes next one was missing links inside rock ramps so this one was to show the green dots represented where we know that there are access ramps missing in the city and then the purple was the show where the missing sidewalk links were so again trying to get a feel from them for a party where  if we had funding where within the next ones that they would prefer be located and bicycle routes one question that we wanted to get answered  updating their bicycle map probably over the next month or two and we wanted to hear from residents are they using the existing crosstown route if not why is there any concerns of  bicycle behavior and then also we wanted to hear about more if there's any issues with what was it good bike facilities such as bike what did we hear about what the concerns were i'm not gonna go into all the specifics but i basically came away with about eight pages of notes to work with and then i started to take those notes for each of the tables and then try to figure out what were the some of the main themes so for speeding there was approximately ten streets cited that there were concerns about one  the second one was pour stop sign compliance or lack of pedestrian yielding by motorists there was lots of concerns with that twenty four intersections were cited i think the biggest surprise for me was the ones that w neighborhood lighting pretty much across once i gathered all the data from the tables it was a general concern of the whole study area that more lighting was needed and for the existing lighting there was a couple streetlights that were reported that were out there were edison lights and happy to report those have been repaired the other issue areas with the existing streetlights edison on for to get that in a cube for maintenance missing sidewalk links and missing access of missing sidewalk links there's about five areas cited of that nothing too major and there's some over height hedges missing access ramps twenty nine ramps were cited the way we prioritize our access ramps in the city a lot of it  the ones that were circled are also falling on how we prioritize on a point system about the same so that was good the bicyclists we got a lot of a very passionate comments too about  there was definitely some street cited to investigate for staff to look for bike lanes more striping for sharrows that type of thing and finally the bus stop inadequacies or concerns there was a few just cited and i'll be continuing my discussions with mtd of some bus shelter requests there was concerns about smoking the level of smoking and like up with families and the secondhand smoke and the bus bus stops i thought was interesting and just having more trash cans near the bus stop areas so that's again just debris i didn't get totally into the meet and i mean not tonight i will not get into the approaches that's my teaser for what's coming up because that's what stuff is busy working on because that will be the second workshop well be hopefully trying to get in the beginning of april i'm trying to do april as well well we'll be getting some feedback and i'll go back to the table because i wanted to show the the surveys that went out and just give me hips involved and our biggest target audiences aside families and so we did form a really good partnership with the school district and we were able to send out these surveys to the elementary school so cleveland adelante and franklin and just get some feedback they're currently in circulation right now and let me just go through briefly what it was it was an information booklet just to tell the residents what the survey was about and what the effort was about and then we had the first week it was a two part survey so the first part was twenty seven questions and very similar to the questions that we asked during the workshop and  we also have it in spanish as well so and that goes for all the materials that we printed and so although just to describe what they are they're they're bilingual one way is in english  flip it over and turn it around and it's in spanish on the other way which is great and then similar to the workshop with the maps that i just showed you is we also included a map and then some trans that's the next component i'm hoping to see probably the same themes that are that were brought up during the workshop and and it's catch if there's probably wait for maybe another two weeks of the survey in addition to doing a hardcopy survey we did an electronic survey as well that went out to the high school and junior high but we are getting responses so i'm very excited about that so again we'll be talking about the approaches and then we'll be coming back to the nac and then the tcc in may and then i hope to have a final report to council in june or july so it's going by quickly yeah any questions um yeah i just want to start out by saying that um how outstanding this planning process um seems to be it like makes me proud to live in the and and be involved on this committee even the materials look good you know like not necessarily how it always is with government documents as you may know and it's just it seems really accessible in the materials the way that it's being talked about the way everything's being conducted and so i just personally kind of no matter what comes out of it i just couldn't be more impressed and proud of how its how its rolling out and you know really is a model for what we could do in the rest of the city and other neighborhoods and you know what other cities should steal these ideas from santa barbara to use so just wanted to start by saying that but um other is there any public comment on this perchance yes we've been really helpful because it is a very tight timeline and for staff to pull up an effort it takes many people not only just the internal team with the help of facilitation for the workshop but also on the congratulate you doing that the verbal as well as the written because i haven't seen what the literacy level is on the written stuff but because it's so important but just the back up of having all the conversation you mentioned the boundaries on the east side and there's been a lot of media attention given to the intersection of milpas and ortega or alphonse where the young man was killed a couple years ago was that brought up in the workshop and the concerns about that particular intersection it was not specifically brought up in the workshop but the import that unfortunate accident is what got the attention of the folks that live in that neighborhood that brought up to the forefront they came before this committee last last spring and then they were at city council and requested the city council authorized staff to go and do this neighborhood planning effort in this in the eastside area say they recognized that milk the street wasn't the only area where there w but there were with a couple other developments that were going on that moved us into other areas so now we are in this neighborhood and jessica's doing an outstanding job of leading this effort it's a real tight timeframe we would normally would like to spend more time working in a neighborhood than what we're doing because there's a lot of love the educational components that we would like to talk about we're not able to do but we're hearing good information and we're going to come up with some solutions that were going to be able to bring back to the residence in about a month so we're looking forward to bringing it for this committee and mate have your recommendation to the city council far as i saw all hands on deck i recognized a lot of transportation staff public works staff even parks and rec staff and the ability that the ability for you all to break apart into a series of small groups have a lot of visual aids and an intimate group i mean just around one plastic table basically get feedback i think probably got a lot better feedback than if you all hadn't been innovated it just had in a big group setting just expected be back and also the detail and these different kind of layers a different type of access concerns so from my perspective very well other questions comments a piece in it i believe it's airing tonight so and if not you could and you could always go on your computer and check it out there but it's a nice recap of the workshop and planning effort provides really good background so it's about a ten minute piece and right moving on number seven selection of chair and vice chair and so this is something it was gonna be on our december meeting but we figured we might as well have the new committee here to to make these decisions  okay so here we are chair and vice chair we have some relatively new members but you know the vice chair has generally  en someone newer because we've had quite a bit of turnover in the past few years so people have been thinking about thinking about it but um i'll just open it up to the body the chair has a very important role in helping set the agenda working with staff really kind of forecasting what issues are coming happen and getting an agenda set well so that if we can it actually be out home for dinner  and and also just give enough time the projects that are coming up i would actually entertain you would entertain nomination to continue on this chair i think it might be worthy of consideration to do a committee i think the difference between the committee now than it was a few years ago when the committee had the policy where the vice chair rotated the chair we were meeting every month so there was typically eleven to twelve meetings during a year but we because of budget problems we had to cut back on the number of meetings plus we didn't have a lot of items that we wanted to bring before the committee for your review and consideration so i think and i think you probably have the shorter term number meetings of the weeks went to the rotation ma'am i think we maybe had the most when you were the chair so i think that's part of the thing what you're expressing where you didn't really have a ability to have chair as many meetings as prior chairs have when we monthly basis if i could continue on thank you mister allen luckily i was able to fill in for mark bradley on a number of occasions but there's also a whole apparatus of working with other city commissions and one of i i feel like i shouldn't be leading this part if this is about me somehow but are there other comments or other nominations sure blackaby i would support your nomination for all the reasons that edie has spelled out i think it'll make us a stronger committee to have the continuity of you can remaining his chair for at least another year okay i'm blushing honestly um okay well are there any other nominations i'll ask once more for chair okay so then all of those and there's a motion in a second to have you're you're the boss and yeah so is there anyone who might be interested in it's more than a few occasions as a as a younger and pressure to various issues that i've gone through just years of planning that we certainly haven't want to let go of mister kaufman greg has dug up circulation element dug up documentation kind of see projects through the finish line it's been really critical i think to the work of this group and i really want to thank mister kauffman great for serving as his vice chair and i think a few cycles back as chair  and i want to put mister coughlin grey on the spot to see if he would be willing to serve again or what his his thought might be i'm sure i would serve again okay i second adopted guidelines for our city advisory groups after a february th city council meeting and we've included a copy of the guidelines for your information and one of the things that the  more time reviewing this we can do that at the next meeting because i frankly just got it last week i have reviewed it carefully yet but i'm more than happy to spend some time going over it if the committee would like to spend some time on that or we can do in an informal workshop setting if you would like to do it that way yeah other piece of information is that on may th they're gonna have their annual workshop for advisory committees where the city attorney's are going to talk about the brown act he's also gonna do ethics training this committee was not designated as  committee that were required to have ethics training but you're more than welcome to attend that if you want to that's going to be on may th or thirty at the faulkner gallery so so if the committee members if you just want to email kim and let me know if you want to have a workshop where we can go over this or if you feel comfortable just reading it maybe go through it first and then maybe get get back to with camera myself to let me know if you want us to spend more time going over it and just for the the benefit of the public the thing we're signing is not now we have a monitor in the hallway so that you can monitor the item to see what is up you know there's this concern even being in the room that might be the presence of a member who felt they have a conflict might influence other members of the committee so to be err on the side of caution it's best if you have a conflict just to step out of the room so there's no no issues or problems in that regard so it's more than when in doubt sit it out when in doubt exit the premises and i really encourage a committee member before meeting if you feel that if you're questioning we're not you have a conflict of interest get a hold of me you know me directly not kim and i because she gave me a couple of days notice of case if i'm not one hundred percent certain of the answer i'm gonna seek the advice of the city attorney's office but nine times out of t i can give you my perspective and give you some guidance for the night you should step down or not okay yeah i think that it probably would be a good idea to have some type of training on this just because you know when these things happen in the city it's generally when something is happening or is in question or has come to a head and it's better to have everything laid out clearly both for committee members and for members of the public so they know what what's kosher and what isn't and what to expect in terms of committee i'm thinking about april it would be unfortunately at seven thirty in the morning here to go over the results of the survey that we had done for the bike station so the bike station is under the purview of downtown parking but  and that will be april th know that because the following day is my anniversary and i other thing we met the night at five thirty i don't how the committee i want to make it so one member is gonna be later can't be here or he's gonna have to leave work early so i just wanted to explore it you know i had have some things i have to get you this evening that's why i want to start earlier and it's easier for kim to getting home on via the bus wheres it happened to get a