card debt and is the second highest amount of consumer loan following mortgages so that's even whitely credit card cases people talk about and it's goes even deeper than the debt i mean it's also your  turn vested if you start off in one career path and then you change your mind to whatever reason you know more time that you have to repeat it not just a man debt you accumulate so that so much more and just don't care because mortgage at least you're buying a home that you by your home but student loan debt is collateralized by your future your future earning potential because that is all there is to back that up and if you have a cosigner that also jeopardize their future sample students graduating and fifteen will have to wait until seventy five to retire at this point based on the student loan debt and then i'm sorry and then the parents as well who cosign that now also jeopardize their future with their work so hard with the average salary of a physician being two hundred thousand as opposed to say physician assistant position assistance average salary is about one hundred thousand dollars and to the high end after experience one hundred fifty thousand and also malpractise course yeah then if you're in private practice you're paying that yourself as opposed to working for a group or you might get a group rate or a hospital with a hospital picks that up so evil but how is it a better idea or a good alternative has to be a key instead well the ratio of debt to income as you mentioned is really good but the profession itself is an excellent profession because it has a great work life balance you don't really have the administrative or business end of medicine as much it's also a shorter period of time typically physicians take about ten to twelve years to become a physician in their whole education or as a peer to do it in six to eight years choose which is great if that's what you want if you rest your life fine as a physician assistant however if you're young coming out of p s school you're twenty five years old and you want to work and take cardiothoracic surgery and carry your cell phone i used to say i mean yeah yeah you don't have that you know hanging over you many when you're younger you can do that but here as you get older you might want to change remember the interest change the thing about physician assistant profession is that you can sue go to any specialty that you want what is a real effect that you've seen because when someone's china's level of debt and there has to be a percentage of the students for whatever reason they're now in their twenty's thirty's after they finish school  and you know it the money that you're talking about medical school four hundred thousand dollars that's a huge sum of money but even a college graduate from undergrad you're talking thirty nine forty fifty seventy five thousand dollars that's a lot of money too i mean most people that we have this serious effect on their lifestyle and they cause a stress between family relationships as well as you do there are falling outs between the children but and then there's it goes beyond that if you want a professional program versus say a liberal arts degree if you go to a directed program you know law engineering medicine physician assess that the job opportunities out there are much greater  find a job exactly and with the physician it is the profession the market is growing so fast believe it the u s news and world report called the number three basses growing career in the country and for calls it the number one career in the country and yes yes in fact health care in general is considered the number one sector in the country in terms of being job a job with job security and it is two hundred hours clock our program and we provide is the experience that physician assistant our previous students need to even apply to ph school we provide a shadowy experience and a direct patient experience both of which are required to apply we also then do that back to training online where we do training for how to write the personal essay which is actually the most important part of the application to get you in to be a school it's difficult to get in a school taking that and using that to create a connection of report with the interviewers and while they're doing that learning that sort of psychology communication they are also growing in their own way of how they relate to patients and the idea is to have them to wanted the students have an opportunity to get a feel for what we do and the book is in itself is very helpful for program of course it would be much better because it is practical there are three phases to it direct patient contact and that includes  doing quality of life surveys on the patients and reporting to the health care directors team at the facilities that we have with twenty two facilities in jersey that we partner with and about ten position assistance that work with us part two is the physician assistant shadow in the third part would be didactic portion simply for the modules online that talk you through how to write your essay we do it essay review how to what to expect an interview and then the advanced interviewing techniques and then finally we do mock interviews with the program as well which are videotaped and the student then be able to view their performance and the critique which is also on the videotape so it's very comprehensive this is not just a couple hours no it's two hundred hour program over a period of four months to make it user friendly students don't have to like quit school or quit their job to do it we schedule is extremely flexible and work around their schedules because we understand what they're going through we've been there so you've discussion on the topics in the book topics that we cover in the part in the closure program and so you the student in california would have access to a p s a to talk to and ask advice for beyond what we just teach you in the program there be like a coach is so really really helpful that you would be to help people nationwide i mean this is a t v show that airs nationwide so one of make sure that everyone who is watching you right now does have the availability to take advantage of it absolutely and specially when it's is find it really helpful that some time students are just running into an area but the mention aspect that you mentioned i think it's critical think one of the things is that most college students don't really have any idea how to have a professional interview because you for a profession and ph school is also very unique and so that that interview is also unique they're really looking for it the students made it to the interview table they deserve to be there but now they have to can mentor and show the p a interviewers that basically they have the right kind of person out to be here it's about empathy and caring and compassion but you don't really want to say my greatest qualities empathy has a conversations over so we teach them how to use their experiences and actually paint the picture for the interviewer so that they actually determine well this person very empathetic and like me again we try to get that shared experience one of the techniques we use shared experience being you know basically what you know what's your greatest quality rather than say empathy talk about an experience you had that  a you can tell they're a good person but they're just too shy and it's so difficult to pull personality out of someone who's really shy but we've done that we had a student that was shy and her grades were actually we counseled great with grades  counseling she took her three tries because of this thing on this issue with the personality getting a personality and of her and she and me type she did have to build her grades up but it was most exciting thing to know that you got someone  who would have to say had no shot before the only because of shyness and then decided to change your career later in college to be a but to get that person in school and that indeed every time we get a phone call usually something and that's the thrill of it that's why we do it i mean if you're just lighting you know yeah i mean we're not doing it we live on your plate we n fact we have relationships with our students that last for years our first student my wife and i still have dinner with her every three or four months just to catch up and this is someone that i mentor and myself when it was just me one facility and one student six years ago and we still get the oh she's a ph after three years and she's like a daughter to us you know and they all are or they're like her kids congratulations on having a program that you gave birth to your yearly it was something that was a genius moment feel but is truly helping people