all right this is the interview of officer p j fox in the city versus richard leading off for fox so the agreement or the plan was to tape this interview for both sides i am taping and mr lee is also audio recording and i believe reporting it to you suppose people's political affiliations so do you think that they might find it to something of an affront to be dealing with someone who looks like a member of a terrorist organization because  know because you don't read the newspaper he's answered the question mr lieberman ok you think that the shaving your head every day for years and years makes you strongly resemble a member of the area nation skinhead nazi is an officer fox i don't believe you have to answer that question don't you have a profound resemblance to that terrorist organizations members because you shave your head every day has it ever a you can answer that if you choose to around doing law enforcement with the infamous officer newberg well thank you for that but you're not an african american yourself are you must believe so you're certainly not quite an option member is not a witness in this case and we're not going to get anywhere today this appears to be some so there's no indication that you're going to make any statements about why you shave your have whether it's a political state or something else that's correct and down the p j fox thing what's up with th is my name is peter fox well i can say my name is captain america that doesn't mean that it's a legal fact is a legal fact that your name is p j fox if you want to get a name change to become  and i believe this is some sort of employment application with say our police department it says dip so you know that means you got a diploma from high school ok university yes and northeastern university it was eighty seven to eighty seven that was just your young teacher a correct emergency medicine and political science that's correct verifiable name if i could call amity regional high school i kind of suspect that they're not going to have a record graduation for someone named p j cox surely you can scold office for fox it doesn't have to be you will not have to find out all this much political science does a painting that degree actually involve i mean how many class hours or whatever did you take to you now since i don't recall what kinds of things did you study when you were studying political  so do you vote are you registered to vote they say oh do you in fact vote yes or do but you would say that your political activity is limited well who is your commanding officer  so you're saying that he never issues on the directives or instructions and the avenue of protection you know security in some way or they are you working with homeland security and sideline you know so homeland security is just not german ology that you use on a regular basis initially just to clarify again i don't even want to keep dirty in the sense of the federal agent just implies to me that there must be some sort of federal funding or something i have got to provide but that's fine you can ask that as well believe that there is federal funding from homeland security that goes into your employment situation as the i have no idea  work with federal officials at all from the department of homeland security as a part of your executive protective you know like you know because i think i detected but if you had said something about being trained by the secret service i think he was yes ok but you haven't done that sort of thing you know even though you've been with that unit for seven years why was he trained by the secret service but i mean i'm sure it wasn't some years long sort of thing would be if you're going to ask him about that but you never attended any special someone ours or anything else from any federal agency especially if it's a good or you talk about that ok so that would have been a couple of years before you joined the executive productive yes and then what was the story was as if i recall from your previous house twenty something to do with counterterrorism specific well i mean do you sacrifice the safety of other people in order to protect exactly you know protect your primary primary person you're protecting protecting first right but i mean if you have to protect them and other people get hurt in the process that can you know it's never ok well i mean obviously if there were genuine terrorist assault terrorists were rushing at that to the mayor's heart for instance i guess it would be ok if one of those terrorists got hurt because he's a terrorist writing to control lethal force situation without using lethal force that would be optimal don't do seattle police shoot forward the the center of the wearing a full sized glock pistol on your hip so it was really we went and the other weapons i don't recall what i'm calling your i mean you did you have any other implementer or device other that was it like a lock eighteen is what you have and you have you know so forty caliber forty tell a book on how big is the clip on the magazine how much time do you put in with with manacles whenever the unit calls me i work for them depending on if somebody needs a vacation or there are some time off been the first line of persons who are doing that executive productive unit work you've been kind of a substitute backup type correct and is there any particular feel that in any way you're not on friendly terms with greg nickels professional terms your own professional terms but do you feel that there's a lack of cordiality between you and greg nic know so you're not had any disputes about your employment or anything else for greg nickels that's correct well it doesn't really appear that there's a commanding officer there is just this lead detective you know i think anyone on the jury is going to be hard pressed to understand you know whether you're taking direction on a continual basis f that most of the potential possible theoretical crisis situations those have been worked out and some sort of prearranged where i work every where you are you always know who the driver is of nichols so there's an emergency or goofy was discussing this in the entry harassment hearing it was all pretty mysterious i'm talking about secret service his training there and you know you have this army training and counterterrorism for forty hours is there well you know it's just down when you see the secret service in the movies and all they have the thing that they do really wow is is to assess the threats and any particular situation that is you know they do research on people who are potential trouts and  character as the james geragos by several other names assaultive mayor shall in two thousand and five i don't think i don't know if we characterized you as is on his campaign team they carry around those big signs on those big sticks there around mr nichols with a big heavy object to grind but they don't put those big sticks in his face or within two feet of  a camera greg nickels face prior to this actually but if you reaching out and grabbing mr lee's camera by its tripod and jerking it around and telling him you're not going to be able to stick that in his face so stay back i'm detective boo for you and you're not going to be able to stick that in his face this really this isn't an argument between now i understand precisely please let me continue so isn't there a big difference between someone being accused of possibly you know thinking about sticking a camera in someone's face and someone actually doing it i saw you do  camera pretty close within two feet of his face and also  away from greg nickels he's surrounded by other people and there is no incident of my getting within two feet of his face prior to that jerking we keep we filled in the entire time there's no breaks in the film that's cracked up to that point from the time  what the jury's going to say me and so as far as sticking a camera and greg nickels face there mr b is relatively stationary and greg nickels walks in his direction and walks past him and is momentarily there any questing action while you were thrusting the camera out toward his face thrusting meaning a sudden sort of movement i don't know if it was sudden but the carrot was it was extended toward the mayor jackson was about a month before the red hook incident correct and you were i was just listening to your description of this this morning and it's kind of hard to argue that there's a consistency to what you were saying we're not talking about the seventh of september i don't know because i was working with the mayor so i would entered into the building and believe you were called outside and there were some officers with you so i don't know how close you came harassment hearing had to do with your observing mr b on that occasion and drawing certain conclusions about his mental state are you going to stand by that a trial in this criminal trial that you were able to somehow divine some sort of knowledge about his mental state from that occasion remade outcome within fifty feet of mr lane from from your excited mental state at the time sure ok well what commentary are you making about the so called excited bundles i don't think i can comment on that let's say i have my trial able to review my transcripts from court appearance well i'm not going to try to trick you into saying something foolish i'm just asking based on your memory what what what does anything stand out is that it's an easy question does anything stand out in memory that you could describe specifically about mr reed's behavior on that occasion  you to draw conclusions about his mental search not specifically just somebody acting in the way you were acting is not normal it's not something you'd want to stand next to or have a family member stand there still not feeling very safe around you not acting like a rational human being well as far as i know your family wasn't there so that's not the issue at hand i believe mr levy was warned off the property by police officers in uniform who were be in full uniform in order to be clearly identifiable as a police officer i mean you could wear something like what you're wearing today a black shirt and just put your badge on you know in a shirt pocket or something samples from a badge on your belt so that many people will be able to identify you as a police officer when not in full uniform never you were just never put it on here about is that somehow against the rules in what capacity as executive protection sure well what sort of occasion would you put it in a shirt pocket conspicuous or is that something you would do on patrol i mean is there is there a middle ground between full a pen i mean you know i mean i think it's of ten but it does not connote that the wearer is officer or a detective in the seattle police department it's not issued by the police department it's a unit  it may be for camaraderie or it's given away to other executive protection units as a gift but it's it's not part of the job well that's strange to identify people a certain echelon so around the protective person so only the person with that type of pin can get close to the protected person while that's a very elaborate  description following your original statement that you don't know how he has secret service works but isn't it reasonable for and he had any person to construe that the reason they wear the pan that is that it's it has a practical value for the secret service to be easily identifiable or at least some members of the secret service executive production unit to be easily identifiable to anyone who might be around one of these federal executives no i don't think so i think if they want to be easily identifiable they could  know it's just it's procedure standard procedure i guess you believe this is written down somewhere maybe maybe maybe time but i mean i mean a cool who imparted this  city might not know where the mayor is or somebody from bellevue might not even know who the mayor is don't want to draw attention to the protection person you know for draw attention i'm not following you looks let's look at the advantages of ever seven two thousand and five there were lots of people there and many of them of course were greg nickels supporters but there might be someone who like this garrett character wanted to examples in the nose right that's the danger you always have to be aware of if he saw a couple of guys because potential terrorists are assault or saw a couple of guys standing around nickels that have little badges on