the united states believes that negotiations should result in two states with permanent palestinian borders with israel jordan and egypt and permanent israeli borders with palestine israel supports two state solution a palestinian state side by sides to a jury states this has been the policy for the last two decades between for between israel and palestine for a palestinian state to fail simply because israel goes not want a palestinian state if one side of a party doesn't want an agreement doesn't want the end product  even the present government has chosen to expand settlements over going to peace talks the other reason is that the israelis fear a palestinian state they fear both terrorism and a war from that state and prime minister netanyahu in two thousand and two said that quote a palestinian state will be a threat to the entire state of israel obama was pushing this idea that territorial compromise was was necessary that i have and that no palestinian state not working as a viable state of pretty pretty basic common sense kind of position but you know he was blasted for that freeze on settlements so that talks could get underway but that move failed failed for two reasons it failed because the israelis didn't want to make a freeze and they basically said no but more important than that they froze it failed because congress sided with the israelis against the president and so obama was sort of caught between israel and israel on one side saying no and congress and the other side saying administration fell into the mode of the previous presidents bush and clinton in basically doing what israel wanted as with an quite quite a number of other issues people who support the palestinian cause and people who do just believe in human rights international law should not ignore the fact that around the original tea party had some rather strong libertarian even isolationist sentiments so these are not the kind of conservatives that support to and that's in yahoo in the in the greater israel and the in the more hardline hawkish positions we usually associate with republican politics however they're the conservative wing other publican party has co opted the tea party in a number of areas including  romney goes around saying that obama is not a good friend of israel and he would be a better friend of israel and romney just said here do the exact opposite of obama vast majority of american jews are not single issue voters  john mccain really tried to outflank obama on the right on the israeli palestinian question in the two thousand election and yet obama received nearly eighty percent of the jewish vote indeed public opinion polls have shown the original zionists and the p l o and hamas all really want a single state that they control and so they they really are similar but they've evolved very very differently israel has basically on israel do you consider yourself a zionist well i believe that the jewish people have the right to have a state and i believe that the commitments that were made in the time remember there were there was no palestine as a state part of the ottoman empire and i think that we've had an invented palestinian people because first and foremost there's never been a state called palestine we're talking about nomadic arabs as a region and once upon a time everyone who occupied their region had on their passport palestine there's always been a state of israel after nine hundred forty eight we have a modern day state of israel so we need to respect that and the people who call themselves palestinians need to have a right and respect of their state of he's a patriot a defender of the jewish state and a strong supporter of israeli settlers his opponents call him and his followers dangerous if i was in charge i would build much more all over because i believe it's my initiative on that but from everything that you have said so far it would appear that you don't even believe in a two state solution it's all to my perspective of the palestinian state is unacceptable and the the place only for one state israel i think the long term solution will be an entity that is connected to jordan and another political entity which connected to egypt i do not believe in a two state solution i don't think that trent i think the transfer of moving the palestinians out of the west bank is a marginal idea there are certainly israelis who want to do this and there are some of the israelis who a part of the current government w ant to do what and there are many israelis beyond that who would you might call mainstream israelis who wouldn't be opposed to whereas the democrats had a lot of influence from liberals who had this very idealistic view of israel particularly from the labor zionist period but were so we've seen a shift in recent years when the democratic  party liberals are willing to be more critical of israel human rights grounds on because they're violations and national legal standards and the like zisha is work into the israeli peace movement whereas the republican party has been taken over by the christian right who take a very very hard and and the and have it in in pushing the the kind of anger we're now hearing from romney and from the republicans overall meanwhile while the rank and file democrats are much more moderate on israel and they used to the democrat party leadership particularly in congress is barely distinguishable from the republicans particularly the democrats modest suggestions of compromise by the israeli government so although some parts of the israeli government would look really push for a transfer and many people would accept it if it could be done those people recognize that it would not be accepted and that's why it hasn't been done even to the state so i think that the idea of of transfer is marginal there are  pack and b a b l and the conference of presidents in terms of their percentage of the american electorate the american jewish population is smaller now than it's been for more than a century and more importantly they have never been more divided when it comes to the issue of israel especially among younger jews there are there's not a particularly strong personal attachment to israel and where there is there's much more of a tendency to ally with the peace camp and with the right wing that currently leads the israeli government indeed it's never seen any issue except for a young gay lesbian rights where there isn't such a close correlation between age and political attitude that is the younger people are and especially american jews are more liberal they are more progressive pockets of autonomy as there are today but there will never be a palestinian state on any significant part of the land because this is not possible many horse some some on many peace advocates who are interested in israeli palestinian peace have recognized that there can be no progress towards a palestinian state alongside israel with the current regime in israel and when i say regime i mean both the government and the opinion of most of the people and these people of some of these people have jumped to the idea of a one state one democratic state in israel palestine and i think the fact that out of  but if we take a look at the last sixty sixty five years if we take a look at the zionist history if you take a look at everything that's happened in israel since its establishment it is absolutely clear  it is not realistic to expect israel will give up any piece of the land or israel will allow any kind of of real independent palestinian political entity to emerge that is not under the control of the israeli government that is absolutely not realistic that is not going to happen an expectation that israel will allow a serious political entity that is a palestinian political entity to emerge it will be independent is completely false it's completely anot now as we move forward we realize that or is it as we as we keep looking at israel's approach to this what's clear is that the only agreement israel ever will ever assign is an agreement that gives israel complete domination israel will determine who the partners for the negotiation will be israel will be will determine what terms are acceptable or not acceptable israel will determine how much of the land will be given will determine how much control the palestinians will have of the land over the water over travel and these are the only conditions in that which israel will sign some kind of peace agreement with the palestinians which of course is not a peace agreement it's a movement to continue israeli domination over all of palestine the notion that the two parties can sit together as equals and are somehow equal in any way shape or form in their regard to the land and their rights is completely completely inconceivable in terms of the terms of the zionist thinking we are morally historically politically militarily we always have to have the upper hand we are subpoena are to them in every possible  single way every possible way and therefore any kind of equality is not possible until equality is reached there can be don't go as long as palestinians are under the gun there can there will never be serious negotiations of course i have never been serious negotiations that's why there's never been any result the way the israelis and palestinians live together have to be decided by the israelis and the palestinians living there that is the right of self determination that is not what americans or peace activists in europe of the united states should be concerned with we should be concerned with assuring or trying to do our best to assure that international lower and human rights are the basis of whatever agreement happens there that's what our job is  job is not to be cheerleaders for one of the other kind of a political arrangement in the discourse within israel there's still a notion that well that there is a possibility for have to have the state solution this ideal exclusion  somehow the palestinians will have their life their country and we will have the jews love their country and all they've in peace would people in a fail to realise or refuse to realise that that possibility no longer exists there is no more possibility partition the land of israel the two options that exist today for a solution are either the status quo which means israel will remain israel palestine will remain governed and dominated by zionist israel forever a solution that allows all the participants all the people who live on the land to participate in creating the future for for this country in other words a real democracy a real  democracy where the state is divorced from the national identity of the people the state governs and rules as a democracy i personally would love it be a single state between the jordan river and the mediterranean sea that's how i would vote but my opinion doesn't count i don't live there and when i try to understand the politics of the government and of the people i just don't see a single state happening i see a single state there's so much built up animosity between these people and it's such an economic disparity between the two  palestinian a single state whether it's a one person one vote state or even a federal state or a binational state i see it leaving the violence and i see it as being a distraction to a real solution i think a real solution has to be a palestinian state alongside of israel this is the only way that both the israelis and the palestinians can express their identity in state history has shown us that as long as we remain focused on partition as a solution we're doomed to fail why there will be no solution there is this notion by the israeli l by you know some people in israeli left that somehow the settlements will be dismantled and even if stuff the settlers are not dismantled the palestinians will somehow be given the lands in different parts of israel or some kind of an exchange but all of this when you get right down to it you real not possible none of this is possible and as long as we remain focused on this two state solution or the notion of any kind of partition we're going to see the continuing of israeli domination our zionist domination on the land and on the people the continuous brutal oppression of any attempts of palestinians to assert their rights and as we look at these really prisons we see that they are filled with palestinian activists