gramberg here welcomes a positive energy serving up nourishment for your soul do you believe in angels if you do you're not alone nearly eight in ten americans believe in the existence of angels what if you could communicate with your very own angel well this experience has happened to my guest today jerry gavin has written this book messages from margaret detailing his experiences with an angel named margaret and he expo and that's where we met back in april of this year it was such a delightful conversation that i said i have to have you back to deepen the conversation and to talk more and people are very excited about angels i read your book so it really resonates for me and i'm really looking forward to this it's exciting to be here and any chance to spread this message i'm really thrilled to have so it seems these days that people are talking about angels a lot more than ever before that there a growing belief more and more it's almost mainstream have you have you found that and what do you attribute that to is are people just more aware of them or they're actually more angels it's the same number of  interesting thing in it it's funny you would say that because i'm in the process of working on another book that's called if you could talk to an angel and margaret kind of addresses that question and one of the house authors john holland who's a psychic medium actually asked that question and what she said is that you find as a worldwide phenomenon right now through facebook and twitter and everything else that's happening that there's this incredible need for people to be connected the desire to be connected on every single level and is that that desire for connection is is kind of reaching deeper and deeper down inside of us it's bringing up a memory of our connectedness to something much more in our connected some degree at our desire our need and are asking for it and are in the ation is more available exactly exactly and as we try to expand our ability to be connected with more of mankind that's just fueling this desire  to find more in our lives as well so can you comment a little bit about the history of angels but history how angels are connected through different cultures or different religions and how we see angels and maybe some of the misconceptions well that we have generally i appreciate in that because again this is one of the things that there are a lot of legend type things that are associated with angels and a lot of right right what's so interesting is that one thing that is so consistent worldwide is that virtually every worldwide religion has some mention of angels within their history within the history of their founding some even have the seeming drills that are representative in more than one area and if you look at the christian bible you'll find that there gabriel you spoke in the christian bible if you look you'll find the same thing in terms of mohammed's conversations in the assistance in the writing of the qur'an so what margaret speaks with that is that angels have come to be the messengers of the creator in every worldwide religion to try to carry a consistent message and that consistent message is you were on the scene trying to let all of us know that you know by whatever nationality that angel would come to speak to whatever group it would be w ever tone or culture it was spoken in the desire was to try to help people understand that we are one and the same and all interconnected unfortunately the translation of those messages gets lost and if you go back to the core of it though it always comes back to the scene tie but the thing which is where it's so consistent that the other thing that is kind of commonly misunderstood is about how angels come to be and  what happens in which he explains is that in the process of creation in the very first dawn of the world the creator at that time who existed as a being of light being a pure light and love desire to expand that energy desire to expand it in such a way that that experience will factor of that energy could take place so what she explains is that the creator took this energy of light and rue it together into sets of roche's a ball of energy that what resulted was this explosive bang and from this bang the late separated from the dark matter and from that bang the first level of creation took place which were the drugs and angels were created of the light matter injuries were created of the dark matter and the dark matter does not mean evil it just meant that it created this give experiences and we then were the next level of creation us being the souls and souls of them much kind of like the story of creation were given the choice of staying beings of light or experiencing what was being created by angels on both sides and that's what we do we come into incarnations we experience everything from a myriad of things and in so doing we expand our  jewels are not as we sometimes might think someone who's lived a really good life and then they they go on in they they get their wings example and right they become names i guess it's a different energy but it's the interesting part of it is that are and live these experiences just to try to help to grow the solar energy in the process so they they just think we're amazing for doing this it's amazing from our human point of view that we tend to do that with lots of things judging categorize and say some things better or worse and put things sort of on that scale and so there is that sort of you right across the board miss belief that angels are up here we're down here and somehow they're greater than or less and then we're all equal but  example in that way so when you say light and dark i think also like denser vibration is the way i think of it too is that right or a higher vibration is that correct in saying that angels are sort of higher vibration meaning they're more they're nonphysical and never have been read as ical the way we understand that really we are physical so absolutely so so we'll feel vibration coming from a much higher level if you are communicating with angels what how she'll describe it is that she communicates from from an energy of love you know so in that level of communication you actually hear it through your heart you don't you don't hear it through your head it's not filtered through all of those thoughts that come up as to is that right is that wrong in my getting this right what's happening it is come as a as a feeling of love when i first started challenging gentians and channeling her that was one of the first kind of amazing parts of it because feeling that energy gave me the opportunity to to just kind of let it flow and i was so of me is that how the messages that came through were so no judgment at all and so loving and yet could say things to me about myself that if anyone ever said it to me i would have been unbelievably defensive about it but she would say things in such a loving manner and she would say them through your heart so you just you know that that's true and you just sort of accept it in you you learn from it you know which is kind of the unique thing about her message is she speaks in this very very down to earth voice the book is called down to earth angel unconscious level on an energetic level and on a heart level not matching when you teach people will talk about maybe a little bit later how they can also make that connection with their angel hear them speak with them and communicate with them i imagine that going into their hearts connecting with their heart energy that heart center is a big is a big part of that absolutely that's actually one of the sections one of the exercises in the workshop is to rude nice fear in grief from your heart center because we hold on to so much of that we we function from such a high level of fear most of the time which is clearly the opposite of love so when we want to open up that area some of the things that we need to do is really loosen up a lot of energy in grief being the same thing because that's grief is just trying to hold on to something for the fear that if we let go of it it's gone you know and so that's part of the process as well so book is really full of those messages and topics and i'm sure the new book is as well but i believe you said that it was burst out of her wanting to dispel fear that seemed to be at the time a few years ago really collecting and building in in gaining momentum so the same a little bit about i want to talk a little bit more about margaret's specific messages and how she addresses fear and maybe what she says about our  future or our potential future of course because nothing's written in stone or humanities sure well you know it's interesting that you mention that because the as you said the very first chapter of the book her first message is about fear and why in two thousand and twelve when i self published the first book there were a lot of other things in that book that just had to do with the whole two thousand and twelve thing because right then people were afraid it was the end of everyone it was to everyone was thinking that it's the end of the mayan calendar the world is going to end and she was trying to get that message or first of all it no it's a nut it is please stop thinking this way and the second aspect of it was just that what happens to us is that we get very absorbed in in fearful thoughts and fear is also sold tremendously in media i read fears fear is a wonderful thing and i'm a huge fan of the media so i'm not saying this in the negative sense  ram it but what winds up happening is if you're saying you're in the media and someone gets on the microphone in they say fuzzy warm story about a little girl at eleven you're like ok overstimulating but you know it also actually is very scientific because what they found about fear really can down to just the nature of our being when you think about the nature of who we were like his cave people if we walked out o our cave one day and we found food right there in front of the cave for us we would think wow that's wonderful and take it inside and eat it and everything would be great but that wouldn't be recorded in in our brain as much as if we went the next day and were chased by a dinosaur that's going to record so the thing we fear is what we're learning from so we say our i want to remember this so it doesn't happen again we never  remember this so it does happen again and that's where more gets message starts to come in so importantly because what she says is the reason angels every time they have ever appeared in the bible in any other book start with the words fear not is not because they're frightening and the people are scared of their being there it's because that's the primary message that if we understood we totally change the momentum of our lives so if we did start to record those things in our minds where that wonderful thing happens and we say i want to remember this i want to remember what it felt like to just have this wonderful thing occur and that would start to become as powerful a message as the fearful one it really starts to change the energy and if enough people are doing that then you have that butterfly effect if you will where where the momentum of thinking still shifted thing to in a much broader right and that's regular level of things that people can relate to that's how trends start and when you think that enough people start to wear a certain thing or do a certain thing or all of a sudden a trend begins and that's because our collective unconscious minds begin to do those things and to say everybody likes this this must make them but and that's what we want we want your way i want to be happy so from that higher perspective with no judgment fear is not wrong or right it is right it actually has a lot of potential for us to learn from it it's really a vehicle of heightened contrast actually gets us to pay attention and then we get to ask ourselves is that really what i want in my  experience and do i want to continue that totally one of the things margaret speaks about in the book and she talks about so much on the radio show is is a process called after formations and f formations is a little different from affirmation a i am prosperous you know i am happy those type of things and those are really useful but one of the things she says is that very often we have trouble believing that our brains have a hard time believing it because like if we're sitting in the dark and we're saying i am prosperous and our power is just shut off your brain is going yeah right you know that's resident but when we think about the questions we ask ourselves like we ask ourselves the question all the time like why is there more than one thing there's money why can't i find a girlfriend why is it that i can lose weight why is it that no one likes me what do all these why questions and essentially what she says is our brain works just like a computer so it goes on a google search that is why can't let me do this let me find the answer and it will find every experience in your life that will lead you to energetically draw more of that energy to you but if you find yourself thinking that question and you flip the question around to why is it so easy for me to and then fill in the blank the reverse of that question what is it so easy for me to find a boyfriend why is it so easy for me to lose weight why is it so easy and narrow your brain is forced to search for a different answer and it will then try to find all the cellular memory of the successes in your life and that will start to change your energy in the other direction but we we don't normally ask those questions so that's part of what and we don't usually think consciously about the very mechanics of our own thought absolutely and how there's so much bitch will energy around that is right right negative thoughts lead to more negative thoughts spiral that way plus  spiral more positive thoughts and that way we can start to become aware of that and that's just a great tool so i hope that our viewers really paid attention to what you just said in those ask formations posing it you know in the question that your mind has to answer in a positive fashion and search for something positive and that also helps in your relationships with other people as well because you know what usually happens is if you got a problem in a given situation the first thing we want to do is we want to call up her friend and complain about that particular thing and get somebody that's on our side and as he said now we're building up that negative energy right you could try a whole different thing in your relationships with people too in just co somebody in space we're creeping happened in your day to day tell me something really cool that happened today like not the how was your day i was terrible and you kind of roll with that start with one really cool thing happened in your day today and it's going to be a little bit of a struggle maybe in the beginning but people start to get used to doing that because it feels good it feels good talking about things that make us have on stuff of the kind of thing i do with my clients when i do this type of counseling and coaching work and it really is something that takes a little work to do but over time you're a kind of let's change subjects to another topic that margaret covers in the book there's many i would love to talk about i don't think we'll have enough time you talked in one chapter about the nature of time and time being not what we think it is write you also talk and maybe you could touch a little on that and touch a little bit about the higher self so people have a again it might be misconceptions about what the higher self is and if you could touch a little bit on free will lives the easy stuff and i should so let's start with the higher self because that's when i think you kind of understand it really helps so what she said in that order of creation was that that the creator first created an angels and created souls so those souls are our is us but it is us at our higher so if you will what she describes is that our  selves puts into everything in order to be able to experience it because once we experience it then we are able to allow it to grow once we kind of come into that experience and how we normally do this is we come into some type of a physical container and every physical container we come into we start out very very small and that can sing in your grows so that our energy grows along with it and in cases like our  or even animals which our souls are in so the higher self places its energy in dogs and cats and horses and sky and water and sand and everything so everything all exist everything is a living intelligent being religion of that which your sound really makes you have to think then when you realise that there might be a piece of yourself in that person that you hate or that particular thing that you're not very happy about  n it also creates a much stronger attitude about the cygnus of every kind of life and there's no separation whereas really one this is exactly so that that becomes sort of the overview of who we are no time she says is see that there's a subtle but we see that there's a sundown and we see that we're growing older so we've kind of put together this this framework of time we put together calendars and different things but to show the illusion of it she points out a couple of different things as to how we already know that we can span time one for example is i have a lot of clients that i will do readings or so retrieval for who live in australia so technically when i am speaking to them although i'm talking on a cell phone which has no wires whatsoever no possible way of being connected to them no no logical sense of what's happening except that cells of my voice are being sent to another part of the world which happens to be in the future because they're tomorrow as i'm talking to them so they're in a completely different sunnah they're experiencing a whole different day and yet we're talking in real time so we're bridging that kind of time space continuum if you want to take it one step that's even more amazing is you look at things through something like the hubble telescope and you'll see a star that's actually in the process of dying that in order for that image to get to us it's taken a thousand to two thousand years so we are we know we're looking at that image right this very moment and it happened two thousand years ago so right there we also see ways that time is so so liquid so that's what she said we've kind needed time for our purposes but there really isn't so i it's past that we're going to see it we're of course we're going to operate within that framework that we've designed and created and it's an agreement that we have the right to have structure in our physical experience but technically at least i also have the awareness that it is only relatively true in in that way exactly but from our higher selves point of view or higher self is actually watching the and communicating with our incarnations of the past of the present of the future all at one time or emerged even explains what we perceive as aliens is really just our future selves who have the ability to look in on us who have the ability to try to see is there something we could do that could help you know that could change this this process without necessarily you know infusing our energy  when you see that word back already that's really amazing her because what she says is at that higher self level we're always there so we watch everything in real time if you will as it's happening so we never because we die doesn't mean that we're going away we're just reconnecting with a piece of ourselves so we're talking a lot about margaret's messages and margaret's words which you know so well and are so passionate about and so needed could we invite margaret in just for a couple of just a minute or so for a short message for anybody who's tuned in and watching this now must be meant to hear this message so would you be able to to do hand welcome it is so good to have this opportunity to speak with you and i thank you so much thank you know chance to be here so you asked me for a message that i would be able to offer to the group who would be listening today and i think the one thing that is so exciting for us to talk about is very kind of touched on it a little bit before us that wonderful question about why now why people were believing in ages why they were understanding and jerry touched a little bit on the whole facebook phenomenon and other types of things but there's a deeper message that comes in and it's even the word that everyone uses about this information which is sharing and what's important and i am so excited to see see from our point of view you are right there's nothing wrong there is nothing wrong in any aspect of anything that happens because whatever you do what ever situation that happens it is simply an experience for you to grow from and sometimes the more difficult the experience the more you grow as a soul but what's happening in this whole phenomenon is th people are sharing their experiences and it happens in so many ways so there are some people who are sharing their frustrations and sharing their anger and yes someone may jump on and share their anger with them but you also watch that someone come on and say it's ok you're a great person this is going to end something starts to change that energy where people will share inspirational messages and not just people who are or are or writers or people who are involved in this field but just people you know will find something that inspires them and they feel like sharing it and the thing that i i just would urge everyone to keep doing is to keep doing right now on the radio show we're involved in something and i know the timing will not be the same when people watch this but it's called the forty four days of kindness and the thought behind it is that for forty four days up and all the aug twenty second be an angel day we're asking people to read and perform a conscious act of kindness not just a random but to think before you go to bed it and one of your last thoughts being what  tomorrow that would be an act of kindness that would hopefully change someone's life so it could be for a friend or a spouse or family member but that thought would allow you to sleep in on the concept of kindness to sleep on the concept of love and that not only will start to change the unconscious mind but the more people do this that simple act of thinking about something current that you could do the next day will change you it will start to change your energy that's a beautiful message for glad you think that thank you so we should keep sharing just like we're doing now and share as much positivity as you possibly can sheer things that bring you joy that can also bring other people joy so if that sharing is funny pictures of kittens or that sharing is a picture of i personally am a huge fan of of what they website so people can reach you but it's really interesting to hear an angel talk about social media and it just seems like well it's an amazing thing because margaret when she speaks to an angel she talks about the different angles i have certain specialties and one of one of her areas of why we're working on this is this whole area of communication and so her her awareness of everything that's going on and even her desire to act upon it  him on social media or you can find me as well i would love to hear from you let me know what did you think about today's show what are your experiences with angels and what more would you like to know so again i want to thank jerry gavin