flexibility but first we have a public comment for items not on the agenda a two slips if anyone else is wishing to speak either on something not on the agenda or something on the agenda button push the button chair blackaby and members of the committee a young couple erin and kim recently opened a coffee shop on kenan perdido and came up with a way to double vehicle parking on the commercial block across from the presidio it's a bike corral that's a dedicated space on the public right of way to accommodate eight to twelve bicycling customers and employees in the same space a single car parked on the street as neighboring business owners learned about the corral they have enthusiastically supported it by corral's have been popping up around the u s in the past few years portland oregon now has installed sixty of them at a i'm sorry eighty of them at locations around the city upon seeing their success other businesses have applied to portland for more in california by corral's have been installed in san francisco palo alto san luis obispo los angeles long beach santa monica and elsewhere b provide benefits where bicycle use is high and growing they advertise the bike friendliness to customers and promote my bike vilify ability to the public they allow a clear view of storefronts not blocked by parked trucks or suvs for those sidewalk dining they keep car fumes and pollution further away they clear the sidewalks apart bytes and foresight impaired individuals make navigation of sidewalks safer they're often located in the front of businesses by coffee shops and restaurants some cities like santa monica install them on red curb to areas near intersections where large motor vehicles would block the view of in oncoming traffic but parked bicycles do not forward to santa barbra taking advantage of these beneficial parking solutions i have one second item and this is a flyer which i put at your chairs and this is information about the journey to work us census bureau has not only the decennial census every ten years but they started american community survey in two thousand and five and what it shows is that for alternatives to work people in the city of santa barbara have been driving eleven percent less over the last two decades but they've been bicycling more they've been using the bus more they've been walking more and they've been working at home more bicycling has doubled over the last twenty years and the other three walking and using the bus and working at home have increased fifty percent so things are on a good trend and we certainly expect that it'll continue thank you very much thank you i forgot to mention that for public comment it's two minutes per speaker i also want to just for future reference and when you fill out a a request to speak form please put your first and last name and it's for the record for the minutes so that we know  not even sure if this is the right form for the comment that my neighbor and i are here to express we're both residents of lou dillon court on the east side and the main concern that we had was relative to non non resident parking in our cul de sac we've had a bit of crime in the adjacent area and they'll be you know some many nights people will come non residents it'll park and you know we've gone out late at night and you know found people smoking marijuana or drinking and my neighbor will flash a light on their cars and they'll leave or i'll walk out with my dog and they'll leave but we have a lot of non resident parking either from apartments in the  area or from people who just come in because it's not a well lit cul de sac and it's kind of an easy convenient hiding place to do things that they don't want people to see them doing we have a nice quiet  clean neighborhood in our cul de sac neighbors take very good care of their properties and this is kind of a real disturbing influence in our neighborhood and you know anything that could be done to you know have resident permit parking for on street or something to kind of mitigate this problem would be greatly appreciated so we just wanted to express this is this the proper forum for that kind of a concern actually in terms of your request no it's not the  committee but i'm not going to ask you to come to a different committee meeting it's you can call the downtown parking program the person you need to talk to his brandon beaudette okay and he's the one who handles the residential permit parking program and if i just call your first name then if you can tell me your last name so i can fill it out on this okay great dangerous but that's on her side but on my side is also salinas which is like i mentioned cacique the kids walk through there is really really dangerous also there was um but around the boom there's like a little creek where the bus passed by there's no sidewalk and a lot of us have to walk through there it's really dangerous i would like for you guys to go and see her when you guys are driving through there to kind of look through it because i've noticed there's a lot of people that walk through it last time i think it was last week there was a dad with two little kids on the opposite side usually we walk on the right hand side he was on the left hand side which is really dangerous and it looked like he was visiting so he didn't know he was expecting to still walk through the sidewalk there's no sidewalks right there but that's it thank you and could  last name of a person that you spoke for n okay no maria not speaking okay okay maria to be followed by  with apartments she has just disabled disabled child and it's really complicated for her to help out her son because he's in a wheelchair and she wants it ramp if you guys could help her out with that it's really complicated for her and there's also a buzz the passes by her house to pick up her son and um i know that when it's on red on the sidewalk you can't park there it's really really complicated for the bus to see it because it's not painted red anymore it's really faded and the cars because they have to drive through salinas it makes it really complicated so the buzz doesn't even go inside her her apartment building because to get out it's really complicated to get out the cars don't let them it doesn't give them any chance for the bus to go in and out because they're always going too fast  hi good evening my name is eva in bar and west coasts and i'm with the east sidewalk project and you are seeing some of the people that we've been working with since last year on problems on the east side and we appreciate all the attention that memphis has been getting that obviously needed to be done that was a good thing and we helped with that and we were very involved in that but there are more problems in the east side than just noah's salinas has big problems the neighborhood has problems and we need some attention to be paid to that we submitted two reports one in september up to eleven two thousand and eleven and one in february of two thousand and eleven we wrote a letter to public works in october  eleven about these problems we have never had any response we need someone from public works transportation to work with us on these problems the facilities manager jim dooley has been great working on street lights with us but this is mainly about transportation these are transportation and traffic safety issues that we have so please we need someone from public works to respond to us and to work with us on these problems these they will not go away and we will be here until somebody gets back to us and actually works with us here are the some of the letters and reports that we sent we've had no response on them at all it's so different from other areas i live downtown and there's no way the drivers go that fast i think that the drivers seem to have an idea that by the way a lot of drivers do drive safely it seems but there's so many regular drivers who seem to think it's their right to just go full speed  near where i live which is voluntary oh i also think it's scary to drivers who are trying to get across can you enter so get on akeno just because these drivers like i say only a minority but but but many just go down the street like it's  their highway people point our driveways have a problem and i have observed some of these drivers coming down really fast honking their horns and being upset because something got in their way so i think i think i hope there's some way to look into what's the way to influence these drivers or educate limit do you paint twenty five miles per hour on the street so they can see it i really think these drivers aren't malicious i just think they don't have no idea that they're not supposed to go that fast and i think something should be done to slow them down before someone gets hurt and one last thing is like i think people crossing the street have a hard time judging how fast these hello so likewise my main concern this time around is the east side community and specifically the intersection at soledad in mason and the reason being is because there's a lot of children in that neighborhood and there is franklin elementary school which is i think the biggest elementary school in santa barbara and then there's an atlanta charter school and then there's a preschool which in total is a thousand kids actually so that's a lot of kids that are going through that intersection and it's a very dangerous intersection for various reasons so speeding problem is one of the main concerns and people are going to buy really fast on mason and then another thing is visibility at night is horrible  that crosswalk is just not very visible and it's so scary driving by there just being afraid that somebody might be crossing and also just visibility during the day you know you have to emphasize more that it's a crosswalk  because there's three schools there and then um so that's my biggest concern because i've lived there around there for twenty six years and you don't even know how many accidents i've seen the worst one was actually a death about fifteen years ago when it was like dust time a lady was going over to night school around six o'clock p m and it was you know that time a night where you can't really see somebody and it was just really tragic um the other thing is also you know the other main streets people are going down really fast from eps coda i know haley those are some of the main ones that people were just you know they think it's a highway or something and they're just flying down those streets and there's not enough stop signs and all the intersections and there's blind intersections so it's just dangerous left and right and these died in a lot of these streets so i i just asked for your help and you know you you have experience and there's engineers working with you and you can get our help from the community and the i've seen kids getting hit sometimes and there's no streetlights it so no one can call in no one can protect them because there's we people just walk away from me if it's dark it's scary at night and then fetal street i ride my bike a lot so going through peto streets going to vaughn's to go buy groceries it's not a safe area either i almost got i take it round over actually um kearney street going to work it's really hard getting from place to place but i mean more lights at night more sign staying like twenty five miles per hour that would be lovely more a little bit more awareness to like reaching out to the community and telling them it's not okay or putting more stop signs leto get more stop signs actually and another thing to compare deal going on state street a lot of kids don't have cars because help thank you thank you okay so that's i have for public comment both on items not on the agenda and i don't have any public comment slips for items on the agenda so if you want one out sure just for the information for those who are in the audience so they understand that we are not ignoring the area celina street we have a safe proper school project that we got a grant for to address safety of students going from cleveland elementary school salinas at clifton and and a couple of other intersections that we are working on walked with a van bar he's developing a plan how to implement it because it's a matter of them coming up with money and we also are in the process of installing some access ramps in different areas in the on the salinas corridor so we are doing some things in the area maybe not everything everybody wants but we're doing with the resources that we have in the policy direction that we have okay um yeah i would as i've requested not at this meeting or not add a meeting  of staff that i would like to see on a future agenda a look at safety on salinas and the larger eastside obviously but salinas in particular to take a holistic look you know before something tragic happens i want us to take a more than just the safe routes to school project i guess is what i'm saying that we can take a look at how can we make it safe before yeah before something bad happens so i would request that again and hope that we can address that issue soon and really appreciate the public coming out and telling us what it's like every day in your neighborhood yes just to comment again thank you very much for such very very detailed notes i thought they were excellent i'm sure there's a few little spelling things but it's not worth going through details  think to me i think they were just wonderful so thank you very much for doing that and i move to approve the minutes all right is there a second i'll second that and and double down on those comments about the thoroughness and the accuracy of the minutes as i as i read them one correction on the first page that date must have carried over from your template from the last time doing it so if chat gets changed to march nd and the only other thing and i don't know of it it's probably not worth going back and checking the record was he should be a record of what was said at the meeting but on page nine under kc kilgore's comments she mentions that franklin school and then she says the other side of milpas street is closer to washington school in washington barbara bicycle coalition on the back is a list of the events one that i particularly wanted to invite all of you to attend is our kickoff event which is the bicycle fashion show and in front of you you have a little flyer that the bicycle fashion show that's a first thursday event it's a lot of fun and you won't be disappointed so hope you can join us mm hmm so i appreciate having a few minutes of your time today i'll try to make my presentation brief a couple weeks ago i presented to the downtown parking committee this this project and we felt like we wanted to keep your committee in the loop and really value your input in this exciting project called smart ride smart ride is a pilot program we're coming to you and the reason we came to the downtown parking committee is not only do we want to inform you about the project but also we would like to present maybe some options for some parking incentives as part of this project so with ahead and get into the presentation i'm going to go quickly through this part traffic solutions is the rideshare organization we are a division division of the santa barbara county association of governments and this is kind of a list of some of the things we involved in bike education at employment sites our mission is to reduce traffic congestion and improve air quality i'd like to focus the discussion on carpooling i'll move quickly through this as well most of you are familiar with the benefits of carpooling but one of the one of the biggest benefits i see with carpooling is that it is a way to get people out of their cars in a very cost effective way because it doesn't require government subsidies it doesn't require bullying bridges it doesn't require new parking lots so it's very cost effective it reduces traffic congestion that's part of the reason why we're involved with promoting statistics from a couple surveys the american commuter survey as well as the commuter profile survey that we put out i just want to point out the carpool number there it's important to note that santa barbara county is significantly higher than the national average we've got about seventeen percent of commute trips are by carpool so we live in a community where people are receptive and interested in carpooling when we do surveys like the commuter profile survey we ask people what their carpool was comprised of and it's not a big surprise about seventy five percent of the car pulls out there are with co workers and it makes sense because when you work with someone you trust them you know that you're destined for the same location and you can also find out where they live traffic solutions has been in the business of helping people find form carpools  since it was formed in one thousand nine hundred and ninety three it's changed with with the technology we used to literally just have a list of addresses and we would mail out a little match match list to people now it's online we have traffic solutions online about five  individuals are registered for the commuter matching system it does a really good job of forming carpools for kind of the traditional carpool so these are the ones that are every day the carpool travels the same location the same time usually these people find the carpool through our our system and they may end up actually being with that carpool for years we have couples that have been in existence for upwards of ten years even  what our system does not do well is it does not provide car polish assistance for people that have flexible schedules so people like for instance the restaurant workers or the hotel workers retail employees downtown  don't do a very good job because their schedules are changing from day to day from week to week it also doesn't do a very good job with kind of the one off trips the trips it's not a commuter trip but it's maybe just a trip to a grocery store what not also shorter shifts because in general carpooling is something that people will only do if it's a long distance trip because that's what saves you money and let's face it it's an inconvenience how many of you have heard of slug lines okay well slug lines is a very interesting social experiment that many of us in my industry have been looking at for quite a few years slugging is this concept the toll bridge for free if they've got a passenger in their car so you have this natural inclination for people that are wanting to save some money to find a passenger to fill their empty seat what's happened over the years is that an informal situation has come about without any government intervention without any government subsidies where people queue up that are looking for ride people that are looking for someone to get in their car queue up and natural car pools form and these are different every single day one trip in the in the morning would be a different trip in the afternoon and it's very successful so we look at this as an industry we say what conditions are in place here that we can duplicate in our most congested corridor on one  first of all we know that there you need to have a large number of commuters living and working in the same place we do have that in the one hundred and one quarter about fifteen zero commuters travel from ventura to santa barbara goleta you need convenient transportation alternatives because there may be a situation where you might not get a ride and you need to fall back on transit we have the coastal express in the one hundred and one corridor very good service you need a choke point so you need people traveling through one roadway so that you're not watering down you don't have all these variable trips we ha that one o ones the only way to get from ventura to the south coast you need long distance commutes of course we have people traveling thirty and forty miles even more than that in that corridor  and one but not completed until two thousand and twenty five so that leads us to one area where we don't have a condition in place and that's where we find that we need some other convenience factor and incentives that will encourage people to carpool more in the in the corridor you don't have to pull in either there's no plans to add toll lane to the hov lanes in the one hundred and one corridor so again that would be a financial benefit to driver but since that that financial benefit isn't there we want to introduce another incentive that will make it worth their while bottom line is real time ride sharing and the industry as a whole is really looking at ride sharing very closely the federal government actually put out a specific grant  for dynamic ride sharing or real time ride sharing projects and what that essentially was it's a carp it's a carpal matching system that happens on the fly instantaneously for single trips rather than the online kind of system that i had mentioned using smartphone technology so we are very excited to embark on this project we see it as the perfect marriage between transit and carpooling transit have some really great advantages it's have with this we have a way of financially compensating the driver and we coordinated very closely with transit so in essence what you what we're creating is another overlay system on top of an existing transit system where you would have buses arriving and then you have private car pools arriving all of them have empty seats that we want to fill dynamic ride sharing has really successfully been implemented since about two thousand and seven in ireland in seattle there was a project houston there's a project going on right now and the two biggest projects that have a lot of federal attention and people kind of awaiting our experiment here is both in the bay area and santa barbara  we call this project smart ride and it's a partnership of the community environmental council it is funded through a federal highways grant value pricing grant it's eighteen months we have two phases one is kind of pilot testing we're kind of in the just beginning that phase right now phase two is when we roll it out to the general public we're looking at two corridors one is the most congested corridor of course ventura to santa barbara on one hundred and one the other quarter is also need some help addressing this quarter at city college parking is a nightmare and you have people going round and round around trying to find a parking space so that's the other quarter that we're picking we hope that if this is successful it'll be a really good traffic mitigation measure few days notice kind of carpel matching we wanted to be class across platforms so not just smart not just iphones but also androids and windows seven phones we need a method for screening users and one of the biggest concerns that we hear from individuals especially women is how can i know that this person is safe to ride with so we have ways of doing that we want people to be able to get easily to it from our website to to the smart e application we need to reduce liability from the government side we are very excited with the trip tracking and the vmt reduction numbers that we can generate most programs that we run we have no way of actually knowing what people are actually doing with the smart phone technology we're able to actually track the trip we know exactly who's carpooling with whom and at what time customer rating systems so that there's that crowdsourcing so we can weed out the people that are not very fun to c and we want to be using social media facebook linkedin and so forth for obvious reasons tied in with the transit schedule as well and then most importantly a way that a little micro payment can be paid paid from the rider to the driver because if you've ever done a carpool one of the most awkward conversations you're gonna have is how much do i owe you for this ride and so this is a very agreed upon system per mile type of charge and we're excited about that ride then the driver is actually kind of navigated to that individual and and notified when they're approaching they have video profiles of one another this so they know that the system they know that this person is a legitimate user of the system then they exchange pin numbers and this is very important because then you don't have the ability of someone to game the system so to speak these are real to people that are getting in the car and then once they get in the car the time starts ticking in the miles are tracked and at the very end of that trip is when the payment is given from the rider to the driver this is very much like a transit system so we have stops along the way you can see over here the ventura government center downtown ventura moving on downtown we've a few stops cottage hospital is going to be a participant so you can see them also for selfish reasons my office is also a stop and then over by raytheon and ucsb this is a major undertaking i'm not going to sugar t this this is cutting edge it's a pilot program so we're testing this we don't know how it's going to turn out the two major challenges are reliability and incentives we need about two hundred active users in both of the pilot corridors we need  emergency ride home program to meet more easy and less of an impact right now you get reimbursed through our emergency ride home program we want a voucher system where those users of the system if they can't get a ride they can get a taxi or then get a  rental car immediately and no money comes out of their pocket also tying in with vanpools that commute in the corridor and also by the way i'll mention the city has a great fleet of car pooler's and we would like to be able  to help that system work and also potentially use that as a backup ride for the emergency ride home as well very important is overcoming safety fears but without doing that with too many steps to screen people what happened in seattle is they had a thousand people sign up for this project that they had and because they had so many steps screaming steps from background checks to and showing your insurance certificate on and on seven people actually were qualify for the system so we're not going down that road but there are ways that we can help people understand that this is actually safer than most carpool arrangements because it's tracked and we know that there we know their credit card we know who they are so there's a lot of features that just provide that safety in itself incentives is going to be a very important thing we don't want to just throw a bunch of money at this without getting some real results we're going to be very nimble and looking at how we can offer up incentive with that that are meaningful but not overdoing it also an incentive a fee that the driver is willing to do the trip for but also the rider is willing to pay is a balance that we're trying to figure out  incentive we also have a cottage hospital that actually has a parking cash out program so someone gives up their car parking space and they get free parking however in downtown there really aren't any good carpool parking incentives and that's why we're presenting this option and we got a clear message from the fhwa that they really wanted us looking seriously at parking policies and pricing next  steps i'm going to go quickly through this because we get to the bottom line which is once we get through recruiting beta testing and so forth launching the public the the thing the biggest rule that we have at this point is the incentives part really looking at what's meaningful i wanted to just show this to you to give you a sense the city has historically been in involved in providing and sent rideshare incentives on the transit side the tenor i pas probably have never heard of it the reality is it's not really an active program although there are eight people there currently using it that they're kind of grandfathered in but the way it works is you don't you're excluded from the seventy five minute on street parking on a given block where you work you pay anywhere from twenty to fifty dollars per quarter for that permit and truthfully it was gained it was abused and that's the reason why the city is not interested in continuing to operate that in one thousand nine hundred and ninety eight the commuter permits for for that lot i was over that program is not marketed it doesn't even show up on the website anywhere in the city when inquired sometimes the parking staff isn't even aware of it so there could be a lot to market that we'd like to see that we'd love to market it but that just kind of gives you a backdrop of some of the incentives ultimately what we would like to request and we've i think our next step is to go to the operations committee the parking operations committee work with staff come up with maybe some different versions or iterations of a discount parking option maybe at the granada garage or a couple of the parking lots for those that participate in this pilot program so we're not asking  for an overall program for for the general public we're looking for a pilot program we're looking at something that could be modified or changed if it's not working for the city not working for the users we can revisit it on a monthly basis and the good news with this is we will not have people gaming the system because we know that they're using the system we know we're and we can revoke that discount at any point so we see this as a benefit to the city in terms of reducing the demand in the parking garage getting people to stop doing the seventy five minute shuffle and at the same time encouraged carpool and reducing traffic in our community so with that i can answer any questions you might have any question person first question so you've already presented to the downtown parking committee what was some of the feedback if you could maybe condense that briefly regarding parking incentives they didn't we weren't asking for anything specific but i will say the one message that i got from a couple members was we don't want it to cost any money because they are experiencing a shortfall in their budget and they were concerned about any cash out of pocket kind of incentive s so that was a clear direction that was probably the biggest thing i don't know brownian if you want to pipe in as well that was that was what i was left with is we need to make sure whatever option does not have a financial impact well they were primarily concerned about providing free parking and we do have the program in the two commuter lots where we have free parking so they weren't really you know in a position to really give a lot of feedback you know the first time they heard it so it is gonna be going to the operation s downtown parking committee to get their feedback then eventually to get back before the full committee so they really need to digest this a little bit more it's a new concept but when are you talking about free parking and the main downtown parking lot that's when they start to get really nervous about that yeah i guess if i can make just a comment it seems like there's a bit of a challenge in terms of incentives structurally with the way the government the committee governance structure for the city obviously the downtown parking committee has to manage their budget and all of their facilities but they also have the concern of downtown commerce and then a side concern of their employees employees of downtown merchants being able to access and we're coming at this obviously from a slightly different angle in terms of the circulation element and improving access to alternative means of transportation and so i i do hope that the transportation circulation committee can can continue to give feedback or that that the downtown parking can certainly see the push from a circulation element perspective for any types of incentives hopefully free incentives so thank you for car pools in downtown parking lots and i think i only recognized them when other spaces are filled and i just kind of drive by in my single single occupant car and go frazzle razzle and so i maybe i don't go downtown those times anymore when those those the only space is empty but if if they aren't available now i think it's something we have done before and something we could or should encourage doing again so i'm glad to hear we're working on that my only other comment was i was reading an article the other day a couple years ago written in scientific american talking about how to increase bicycle ridership and they said the number one number one way to increase bicycle riders ridership is designed designed for women  looking at the profile of the people who rode bikes and kind of conceding why why it was that way why it was made by majority and men riding bikes it was a safety security and errands and childcare responsibilities mostly fall on the women's side of the plate so i think with the program like this too i'm glad to see your your security options in there and any any other i think those are some of them also some of the distance centers the car pooling is that freedom that a car allows you something at  either end of that trip that would give you some more ability to go out and do the errands that you need to do thank you thank you for this presentation it's really  exciting i wasn't quite sure i understood about the idea of transit having empty seats and if that was your lead up to this presentation about this pilot or if in this pilot there's room for to city college doesn't have any open seats but that this concept that there are seats you could get into and rather than thinking in terms of what kind of vehicle it is it's a vehicle that you can get into you're gonna an empty seat in a private car for a carpool or you get on a bus but it instead of kind of thinking oh i have to take the bus or carpool and it becomes an integrated system we do actually have some empty seats in the one hundred and one quarter on the coastal express limited bus that we would like to fill and we actually see that as being kind of an integrated system so that again if you arrive at a given stop they venture government center for example it is served by the coastal express limited you could maybe the bus pulls up first you know i'm fine i'm just gonna get on the bus oh if not maybe i'll grab a  people get off and they're not right at their workplace or whatever is there any way for them to get further to the next little leg to their workspace what i would envision i guess one of the advantages with the smart ride system is that even though there's given stops your destination could be really anywhere the drivers willing to take you so at that last mile problem that sometimes you have w transit is less of an issue than it with the the smart right system but you know if you're planning on getting somewhere by a carpool and then you end up taking the bus then you are kind of left if you're gonna how are you going to take care of that last very end of presentation you mentioned you know that the transit incentives that we used to have downtown and i work in a retail and company that has about forty employees downtown and i've been with them since the ninety nine when we had the ten right bus pass program and i have employees that used to use that and used to ride the bus from carpinteria and use that and they're back to using their cars now because that went away  and so you know i think this is a great idea maybe we'll supplant it but i think you know we had a good system in place to help downtown employees get downtown without using their car and it went away and i know there was reasons why it went away there was medications and we need the granada garage money went and took that away to help support the mitigation grout on garage but it it was a program that worked it was so simple it was just you got a little thing for ten rides once it was punched you could turn it in and get ten more as long as you proved you work downtown so i you know i'm not saying this is not a good thing i think this is a very good but i feel that we had a good thing in one way that kind of went away you know downtown sales tax increased a lot this last year and as you walk down state street there's a lot of new businesses it's a lot of new employees that are now trying to get downtown so we need this the program you're working on i think will help in that area but i think what we had before also help too so i'd like to look back to see if there's any way of whatever funding we are to do this maybe some of that funding funding can go back to help with the m with the tin ride bus program that we had and that's and that's really it i mean i think this is a great program and i'm looking forward to see you know how it works and i definitely know between ivy and city college you know they have a great incentive because they pay for it through their you know going to school they pay for that and that's why there's so many writers if we didn't have that they'd be driving the cars back and forth so i guess i'm saying the downtown employees don't have that incentive and this was their incentive before to get out of the car and that kind of went away thank you i just respond to that because we were traffic solutions was very disappointed that that program went away as well we felt that that was a really great program it was great that transit service was enhanced we wanted to see that too but it's a shame that that program doesn't exist anymore because i think there's a place for both the incentive side and increasing transit really when you do the two together is when you have the the biggest bang for the buck so cards and it just is kind of note my partner takes the bus often to commute to work and in the morning she'll need to find a dollar seventy five sometimes and just ism note that that that's you know a disincentive right and actually the the smart ride would actually allow kind of electronic payment that's automated because that is a disincentive sometimes just like that carpool conversation of oh you know how much do i need to pitch in after  little question which is say someone wanted to drive from fillmore who works in santa barbara they wanted to drive from fillmore to the government center i'm thinking of a co worker and park there is have you picked places that have plenty of parking for the people that are gonna need to park all day until they get back yeah and in fact the reason we picked the stops that i showed up there the government center the ventura government center and downtown is first of all the coastal express serves those locations and there's ample parking thanks so a couple things one i'm crushed that those of us in the dark age is still using blackberries will be left out in the cold and but we can use google transit on there and just take the bus i suppose um so that's a bummer but for for safety you know i i'm glad obviously would have to liability was to make it so that there are safety checks in the system so that you know it people will actually feel comfortable doing this using this program you keep mentioning that there's you know there's no way like someone could get a bad rating or we're tracking or whatever who is actually watching that happen and i guess i'm wondering what the kind of response time or who responds if something is there like an automatic little like press this button to like have the cops track you down so that you know you're not being stalked away or whatever so that's just what i'm wondering of like who's actually following that if it is safe well to answer your first question android technology is similar to what you'd have on ebay or whatever the way it works is if you don't want to ever be matched up with that person again you rate them a one star and they don't show up on in any more and the other thing too is that their vague o is the the software that we're using for this they they're flagged when when a user is rated low and if it repeats itself they have a way of just you know getting the person out of the system altogether you brought up a really interesting concept though this idea that it's like this kind of emergency button that you would say abort abort you know i need help i'll have to ask a video about that if they've ever thought of something like that i would imagine the technology is possible to make something like that happen i have no idea it's the way the system is set up now there is not that i mean not to be too dark about it but like if something went down before you got the chance to read them when you got off at your at your destination of just you know how fast is there some type of response obviously if you've got a phone and you're dealing with that dialing is obviously an option but just so that that feedback gets into the system in case it's like we need to not we need to end this trip if that kind of feedback and can be watched yeah i will definitely follow up on that any other question all right well we appreciate the the report and look forward to hearing kind of what comes out of downtown parking and as we go forward maybe we can think about ways that we can and we appreciate your input of ways you think that the great just a couple of comments i was very pleased to see the increase in ridership especially in february and march for the downtown shuttle in the waterfront and then i started thinking isn't this also the time we started having some cruise ships and i was looking at the increase and it looked like it that increase might be a result of the cruise ships that arrived and those periods actually i can't answer that question it's a combination of the two there were some additional shuttles that princess cruise line paid for to have the additional service which allowed more capacity but  overall retail is picking up downtown as you mentioned earlier so we're seeing a lot more activity on the shuttles okay other question the crosstown i noticed is still continuing to lag over last year are you looking at any marketing to try to get ridership up on that that route i can answer that one as well the our marketing budget is almost zero this year and you'll when we do our presentation next you'll see some of the financial constraints we have but also there's been some reduction in service and when you have a reduction in service you have at least obviously have less capacity so ridership decline and third when i saw the presentation yesterday for committee members about the two thirty two thousand thirteen city budget and it was mentioned about the redevelopment agency going away or has gone away it's not going away it went away and i mentioned that there's some funds that i didn't realize that when paseo nuevo was built that mtd gets some funds to mitigate is that going to be affecting a lot of these services that we have like the tim d we have the contract for the downtown waterfront shuttle service and the two commuter lots part of the funding for that service is redevelopment agency funds or was our d aid funds in the tune of three hundred thousand dollars know i just had a our budget presentation with the city council this afternoon where we discussed that and we have a lot more conversation easy to occur on employment picks up businesses picks up downtown i think we should see some more use of the code or a lot and a little bit more use of that crosstown shuttle and i think i remember to a link  between ridership and the other the other shuttles and the wetter pat weather patterns we did have a rather glorious february march this year where we had a very misty in seattle e february of march last year so i could have something to do with the ridership picking up a little bit this  and actually my colleague cynthia who will be sharing the next presentation with me actually tracks the weather and makes a correlation between  thanks i think you deborah schwartz planning commission mister tommy i was interested in the reference to the princess cruise a subsidy of some of our downtown shuttle activity is there are there any more details maybe you could share about that i may have misspoke it used to be princess but now cynthia will tell you the other funding source hi i'm cynthia bone i'm also with planning manager when the cruise lines first started coming to santa barbara the waterfront district was able to negotiate with them to pay for extra shuttle service to accommodate their passengers it's over the first couple of visits we put out every shuttle we had  serve those passengers and it was quite successful since then the cruise line decided that they didn't want to pay for any extra shuttle service they thought that we in santa barbara should just cater to them at our own  expense and so the waterfront district realized that that would be a big problem getting the passengers from the sea landing to downtown where which is where most of them seem to want to go so waterfront district stepped up and they have been funding three extra shuttles and an extra shuttle supervisor to keep everything running smoothly for the visits over the past year or so and as far as i know they plan to continue doing that for the the visits there are a couple of other cruise lines that are visiting who either have enough fewer passengers that we don't need the extra service or in the case of i think it's called the crystal symphony  it's a i guess it's a higher end ship and they hire their own buses to shuttle their passengers between the sea landing and the courthouse the name like crystal yeah may add one other comment regarding the cruise ships any resources that are available to actually increase capacity would be great because i was out there  there was a couple fridays ago there was one of the princess i think of this the princess sapphire was here and i saw a queue of ninety people waiting to get on a shuttle so anything we can  would be great thank you and i just had a question about the report we know that there's a we get quarterly reports it doesn't mean genda third quarter two thousand and twelve report how do our quarters if it's march okay so it's third quarter two thousand and eleven twelve okay got it i was like what time of year is it okay great any other questions about that report okay so everybody knows i've received a couple of written public comment regarding the line twenty two one from the tobes group and one from the riviera association both obviously in opposition to  o who has a long convoluted title that's somehow superior to mine is also here so we're here tonight to talk to you about our proposed service changes for our next scheduled year essentially we usually make our service changes at the beginning of the school year which is the end of august and so we're making we're making plans for those changes now  sorry you've probably heard me say this about a hundred times already but yeah and one of the slides that was in the previous presentation it looked like transit utilization and in santa barbara county was quite low percentage wise but that was taking the entire county into consideration mtd actually carries approximately eight million passenger trips per year which is quite impressive we're recognized nationally as a transit intensive community  which is great and the ridership you you see we have a ridership area of about two hundred thousand and the that number of eight million passenger trips is more equivalent of what you'd see in a community of a population of one million so people are really utilizing transit on the south coast in it i apologize for cynthia for interrupting so anyway we're here just here tonight to tell you about the proposed service changes for the coming year and just as a little bit of background mostly what's driving these changes is not surprising link budgets we're looking a projected deficit of nine hundred thousand dollars for the next fiscal year this was this projection was made before we discovered we saw that sales tax revenues are starting to increase a little bit so it's not quite as bad as that currently but the sales tax increase isn't enough to make up that shortfall and then it just escalates and snowballs in future years so and one of the big factors here is that the contract the fuel contract that we've had for the last three years expires at the end of may and jerry has been scrambling to negotiate a new diesel fuel contract at the best price that he can but it's almost certainly going to be at least a dollar a gallon more than we've been paying and that's it's a huge portion of our operating budget right there in addition the collective bargaining agreement expires at the end of june we'll be renegotiating with  drivers and supervisors on their contracts so we're looking at some constraints and yeah like everyone  else so our board is is sort of faced with the choice of reducing transit service or dipping into reserves to continue the service that we currently have my guess is that they'll end up settling on some combination of those choices but we don't know yet and they will be considering most of these proposals at their meeting this coming tuesday at eight thirty at m i guess it's actually a time certain nine o'clock anyway so just to run through this quickly kind of the biggest thing that drove our service changes this year was the need to fix line six and eleven they've had skip those two routes which run the state in hollister corridor between downtown and old town goleta have had scheduled adherence issues for years and we've tried a lot of different tweaks to try to fix it and those tweaks haven't gone far enough so we wanted to do a big fix this year in order to do that because we don't have money to spend on putting additional service out there we're looking at where we could trim other services to balance the budget essentially so mostly so the service changes this year are really kind of a real occasion of resources to try to make the best use of the resources that we have so quickly the proposals that we have here concerned the line six and eleven and also lines twenty three and twenty five which serve the winchester canyon and elwood areas respectively lines one and two which serve the east side and west side of santa barbara line twenty two which serves the old mission the natural history museum el encanto and the botanic garden on weekends and line fifteen x and a couple of the booster buses i'm not going to get into detail on the fifteen x and the booster buses so i'll just explain that right now as kent was telling you earlier ridership on the fifteen x is so huge that we couldn't possibly throw enough buses at that route it's just so currently there's one trip in the middle of the day where the driver was getting a break our scheduler is adjusting the schedules to move that break to a different part of the day so that line fifteen x service is continuous throughout the day it's a minor tweak to just get us a little bit more out there at the times when we need it on the the boosters those are buses that primarily serve san marcos high school in dos pueblos high school the  buses those buses are currently way overloaded mostly standing loads all the time and we just need more buses out there to accommodate the numbers of students who want to ride i should say though that although they primarily serve the schools they are buses that are open for anyone to use so going right on to the six and eleven as i said before our biggest priority was trying to adjust these routes so that they could stay on schedule we've been hearing for years from the drivers and from the public that that the bus is always late or you know it's just it's just been a problem and and as i said we've tried to tweak it and the tweaks haven't gone far enough they haven't made it they haven't completely fixed it so this year we wanted to do a  major fix and in order to fix the routes they needed to have more time to run their schedules that's partly because of traffic congestion partly because passenger loads it just takes more time to load more people on and off the bus we got everybody on staff out there doing surveys this past fall including right up to the general manager we were out there riding buses counting passengers timing the route to see where where the bottlenecks were where the large passenger loads words that are gathering as much data as we could and what we came up with as the best solution for this route was to inter line line six and eleven and what that means is that the routes are downtown santa barbara again via the hollister and state corridor and and the reverse would happen as well where the eleven will become a six and and to do that we needed to detach the lines twenty three and twenty five from those routes i'll show map in a minute which might help explain this but i couldn't fit it all in one screen so the advantages of this were that by doing it this way the six and eleven will stay on schedule it a side effect is that it'll result in more service along el colegio which is where we have some of our highest overloads right now the line twenty four x especially routinely has to bypass twenty or thirty people at a bus stop it's just huge numbers of people wanting to ride the bus out there so this will get a little bit more bus service in that high ridership area it'll keep the buses spaced more evenly on the again what we call the corridor between old town and downtown santa marketplace only a small portion of them about a third of the passengers are writing to either winchester or elwood areas and it's a more efficient use of our resources in that in order to make the buses run on time and keep the routes as they are it would have cost us an extra four hours of service per day and you multiply that over three hundred and some odd days a year and it ends up being many thousands of dollars that we're saving by doing it this way the downsides are that those twenty three and twenty five passengers who do live out beyond the camino real marketplace will have to transfer between buses we've timed the transfers so none of them should ever have to wait more than a few minutes to make that connection and we've designed the routes so that they will often not have to cross the street sometimes they will but as much as possible we'll make it that it'll be the same bus stop and  removing the line twenty five from that section of the route there will no longer be service to that bus stop it is only a quarter mile walk from there down to el colegio to catch the bus which is no farther than many people in our service area have to walk to catch a bus so and again there's abundant service along el colegio for them to catch so here's the map  currently as i said line eleven comes out to ucsb and at that point currently it becomes either a line twenty three and continues along el colegio historic and then goes out nine twenty three is the blue line up there and the line twenty five goes from ucsb and goes up los carneros and then out and the line eleven buses alternate between becoming an either a line twenty three or line twenty five from ucsb with the change all line eleven s will continue through ucsb out along el colegio and up to stork and then they will become line six and return to town and vice versa at line six will come out here and become a line eleven go back through ucsb so the twenty five and twenty three will alternate routes and what the so say at twenty three right here someone transfers to that they're going to come out around through the canyon area it'll come in as a twenty five and come here to this transfer point then it'll loop back around to the camino real marketplace and go out again as a twenty five come in as a twenty three hit the transfer point and loop back around go out as twenty three again so it'll do that all day long it as clear as mu probably yeah i'm be happy to answer any questions about that but unless you're a regular user of those routes it's probably not gonna make a ton of sense this would also mean to that whatever you six or eleven you got on and you still get to the airport yes right cuz now it's just the eleven right well only eleven serves the airport but if you for instance were up here at glee to city hall and you wanted to get to the airport you could catch a line six and it would is there any changes or amenities that'll happen as in order to make that transfer point is there any kind of changes at the actual bus stop there on stor i don't believe we have anything planned at the moment it's all i believe it's already sheltered there oh okay it's a sheltered on the marketplace side of the street apparently not on the other side of the street i that's another thing mtd currently doesn't have a lot of funding for we mostly get shelters from development developments that are conditioned to provide upgraded bus stops and cdbg grants which by the way off off topic i wanted to let the east sidewalks folks know that one of the bus stops that they were most concerned about wh on salinas at cacique was approved for a community development block grant upgrade for next year so they should be happy to hear that wheelchair accessible hear i want to continue i'll continue and i yeah and then we'll take questions so next when to talk about are the lines one and two which again serve west and east sides of santa barbara again we did extensive surveying of these routes a few months ago and again what's primarily driving this proposed change is budget shortfalls last year we reduced service on the one in two in the mornings we switched from ten minute headways to fifteen minute headways during morning peak this year we're proposing to do the same in the afternoon peak we're also tweaking the schedules a little bit because line two currently has more time than it needs to do its entire route in line one has a hard time meeting its schedule so we're putting a little more time on the line one a little less time on the line two and shifting things so that both routes will make better connections with other lines at the transit center  e twenty two serves between downtown goes along garden street goes up to the mission the natural history museum el encanto and on the weekend it goes to the botanic garden it has had the lowest ridership in mtd system for many years it was proposed for elimination last year and the board decided to just reduce the service so they cut it down to what we consider pretty much the bare minimum and it's not surprisingly that didn't make ridership increase it's it's hard to justify continuing to run this bus when there are so many other routes out there that we just can't put enough buses out there to serve the people who want to ride so it's again it's kind of about using our resources as effectively as we can  and some did some did not but overall the ridership did not increase dramatically so you know we hear frequently market at market at market it and when you  do people still don't come it's it's one of those routes that everybody loves including us we don't want to see it go away either but you know it's we're kind of between a rock and a hard place everybody loves knowing that there is a bus in their neighborhood just in case they ever need it but the reality is that they're not writing it currently so and this chart just shows the passengers per hour for all of our routes for the last fiscal year you can see line twenty two right here is the lowest at thirteen point one passengers per hour you can compare that with lines such as line one at fifty nine sixteen at one hundred and three passengers per hour line sixteen is the city college shuttle between the transit center and city college it's a very efficient route yeah i very good routes they all do well a side effect of eliminating line twenty two if that happens is that currently the line twenty two and the line five are run by the same bus on weekends so a bus will go out and do line twenty two and then it'll go do a line five and then they'll go do the line twenty two and together that's a two hour round trip if but the twenty two portion of it is forty five minutes the line five portion of it as an hour and fifteen minutes if the twenty two goes away we just have one bus out there doing round trips on the line five and they'll be an hour and fifteen minutes long so it makes the line five the time between buses on line five will go from an hour to an hour and fifteen minutes if the line twenty two goes away and that's just on weekends that's just on weekends ok during the week the twenty two is connected with other things ok but the five on which it's still standing and still needs mitigating more and more each day i guess what i'm wondering is how how does mtd obviously you need to make cuts just some of your many  how does it you know for the one and two if there is that agreement i know it's in a little different method of getting the money to mtd now with measure a but kind of how is that blackerby part of what we're seeing is you know now that we are direct recipient of measure a funds as sales tax revenues have declined the amount of money that we anticipated for measure a has also declined so i know browning if you want to elaborate on that or or not i mean just to clarify i mean yeah and we've lost no matter what the sales tax picture looks like it's still a very real thing that we're required to do so and jeribai could be if if this committee would like to make comment to our board for  that they took so they wouldn't be a i guess at the mercy of the city or nothing would give him a cost of living adjustment on an annual basis so that's kind of how that all worked out  well i thought there was a magic number on the back of our quarterly report it says that guarana garage project was generating nine hundred and eighty five average daily trips and two hundred and twenty nine peak hour trips and for each month in the third quarter we were exceeding ridership and both the weekday and the peak hour so we were okay so i guess the issue is as long as that magic number doesn't drop below nine hundred and eighty five or two hundred and twenty nine well we will continue to be okay in that regard is that correct yes that's  employees that will you know the people that work there and then in theory people who might be staying there would would be using that cord or the other the other thing that is mentioned is back i mean i you know maybe we're experiencing this interesting recession where we're going through and we're cutting service and we're increasing you know time between buses but it if if the demand shows up in this there's no way to know right once it's gone i guess what i'm wondering is if these things when these projects come and they're there to fruition is there a way that you know maybe employer surveys or whatever to see that there could be an eat again and could you know open the line back up i don't know how transit districts do things like that if they do jer blackerby the the el encanto when it was previously open we were serving that for we were hoping employees and we actually timed our schedules to go with the employees and it didn't happen there there was not very much ridership and as far as the former saint francis site the cottage hospital housing they are providing their own shuttle  for their residents so i don't know that it's some work you mean and to enter downtown oh okay one other thing in terms of okay yeah is there is there any type of precedent for a service if if there is some type of  need from a you know a tourist destination or whatever to help offset the cost of of a line well when resources become available we actually increase service which yeah we we have an interesting graph that i'd be happy to email do you that shows you know as our resources increased the direct level of service increased so if there's a funding source available sure we would love to provide services that's what we you and we've had some discussion about bigger buses to accommodate the larger crowds that need to get from here and there is there any thought about smaller buses or even vans for those lines that have fewer than the ideal number of people  actually the cost of operating the small bus is almost or about the same as a large bus it's it's mostly the operator that is the larger cost and there is some fuel economy savings with the smaller buses but not substantial one area that we are likely to see some savings is we did a demonstration of an articulated bus what was about two weeks cynthia you have two or three weeks and it was very well received and we used it on our x where we're currently leaving people behind we are in the process to go out to not as substantial savings i guess did i have two friends at any time someone mentions bus service they both get upset and talk about mp buses driving all over town and wasting taxpayers money so at least they'll be  happy hearing that you leave people behind i'll clio was it what happens to those people when they have appointments other places or whatever you know and they're waiting for a bus i think usually they catch the next bus that comes along which in that corridor is fortunately there are a lot of buses there's a lot of different routes to sort of that that street so usually there's another bus coming in the next ten or fifteen minutes that at the latest  but yeah that's that's a hard part about transit and that's something that we've seen on the x and we we get these students writing irate letters to us because they looked in the bus book and they saw that there was going to be a bus out there at seven thirty and they were there along with two hundred other people and they weren't able to get on the bus and then they missed their class or they're late for their test or you know whatever and without the budget to put enough buses out there there's not really a lot we can do about it those subsidized by student fees so that there's nobody paying a ticket for a bus so there's no way to increase the baldest income at both the city college and ucsb pay for bus passes as part of their registration fees okay so there's no impossible increase in fees if there are more passengers if i may elaborate on that a little bit there their fees are directly related to the our cash fare so if we were to raise our cash fare which is not in the imminent future their fees would be raised as well okay and the fair now is what a dollar seventy five is the adult cash fair okay great thank you and one other question just what happens when the summer comes and i know this isn't going to into effect or you're planning on august and september starting this but what happens to the bus situation between from campus when a lot of the students from city college and santa ucsb are not there in the summer we adjust our schedules in the summer we run quite a bit less service on for instance line fifteen x in the summer it goes from three or four buses at a time during the school year to only one bus in the summer on that route  similarly the line twenty four x which is an express between ucsb and downtown santa barbara reduces service when the schools are out of session line sixteen goes away you know we try to take all of those things into account and in the scheduling try to get all your staff to go on vacation during this i think the drivers are encouraged to take their vacations during that time thank you  just a couple of comments i'm really concerned about the one and two and because the city does have an agreement with the granada garage for the mitigation for that was to increase the bus service and  just hope that the mtd board decides not to go this route because i really think that it's just going against what the original proposal was to build the granada garage was to mitigate people to ride the bus more and even though right now we're ahead the figures of the baseline i really think that you know that was how we decided it was those those intervals and i hope that we don't go that approved the city approved the el encanto hotel based on a mitigation for their employees to get free bus passes to get to work so if the line isn't there how can that hotel legally be going forward with that mitigation not there unless we're going to ask the hotel to have their own van to take people down to the transit center this is something i think the city needs to look at because we have a project as it said december two thousand and twelve it's going to open you know we've seen letters here from the riviera park association afraid that the employees might be parking on their property when it's you know it's for those businesses so i mean this is really more of a city question i get it's really not i agree with you why you're doing this but i just think the city needs to look into you know this whole mitigation for the employees when they open the el encanto and i don't know where you would go with that i mean because you approve its approved but if all us in that line isn't there anymore for the hotel you know they're gonna give out these bus passes but you know waiting to get at the transit center and hike up the hill and so i mean i think this needs to be looked at seriously i don't know what area the city should do it but you know maybe instead of giving bus passes may put that money towards their own little shuttle van for employees to get from the transit station to  pressures with the potential elimination of twenty two in that area i'm already receiving complaints from residents on the riviera that their residential areas are becoming congested with  daytime auto parkers who work in the rivera park area so then when the el encanto comes online and if there are not alternative means of transportation for employees primarily i think we're gonna further congestion especially along aps you can see right there at the park less when it's already full every day i traverse that fairly regularly and i see that it's filled up every single day with workers from the rivera park complex and so i would suggest that we get right on the issue of the el encanto mitigation because i don't know i'm not sure what the resolution is to that but i'd like us to kind of brainstorm that with them lastly i'll just say in terms of whether or not there's any opportunity to sit down with the topes group and any other major interested party perhaps we want to explore forging a private public partnership which many cities do and i don't i think we're quite frankly a little behind the curve on that and since we do have financial constraints i think we need to ask the private sector to step up and step in to be a good corporate citizen and help in this way and so gosh if cruise ships can help subsidize shuttles going from the beach area up to downtown for our economic interests i think that we certainly can ask the topes group and others in the area orient express to you know sit at the table again and explain our current constraints and what we're facing in a very short term situation i don't know if we can off the decision about the twenty two until we have some of these discussions but i would certainly ask that we make every effort to do that thank you schwartz actually was gonna ask about the twenty two because i used to live in mission canyon and especially around around the holidays when the when the lights come up everyone's got their their their their houses lit up with christmas lights all the shuttles come through the trolleys right and just just looking at the description of the route you have the the mission the natural history museum the botanic garden of course also the access to that complex up on the riviera the public private partnership or even some type of public run service that could be at a higher cost that would have involvement is i'm kind of hearing that there was a push for these these attractions to promote the route and certainly the onus was not on them you know they wouldn't suffer the consequences if the you know mtd suffer the consequences of of that route not being attractive enough for riders that area is very challenging but certainly maybe some solution after if twenty two is twofold maybe there's some solution that these stakeholders are more actively involved with and have a financial commitment to i have a question miss boats you mentioned on on ridership of reducing the headways for the one and two from ten to fifteen minutes in the afternoon one of the reasons that we chose that those routes were for trimming was that currently they have more service than any other routes in our system and because we went through every single route in our system and looked at at their peak hours how their total ridership compared to the total number of seats available and believe it or not on lines one and two they had the most excess capacity again because it's because they were there currently so frequent and so when it came time when we were told that we had to look for some cuts it seemed logical to look there and so that the feeling is that there'll be some compression of ridership of more riders well we'll take the fifteen minute right all right let's comment and again i really i want to apologize because i know very little bit about managing a very large transportation system and this comment is going to probably come off as a little bit cavalier but i'm interested both between ucsb but especially with santa barbara city college when you know how frequently contracts are discussed because of contracts in terms of the student fees for mtd service are tied to the adult fare there's no elasticity then of ridership which obviously is kind of hard to gauge but i'm wondering if there's some type of you know bargaining chip with city college i think ucsb as well so it's it's not automatically it's gonna jump up so there would be an election of the students they have a check they'll approve a fare increase but like i can tell you as a parent of a city college student those lines are heavily used and my child actually has to run to catch the bus which had a cat class if she wants to catch otherwise she's gonna get lifted occur because of the overcrowding i'm sure the other buses are the same way and last question there when i know we did the trial or at least the called piggybacked options out there where there's other agencies that are buying the same vehicle that we can just add onto and it makes the process much faster but we won't know that for sure until we finish going through the request for proposals okay and one last comment i would put out there and i know this is not a timely comment because of lack of funds but as a formerly transit dependent and an occasional transit user now one thing that frequently is frustrating is just confusion trying new routes and you know i don't know and there's a company that magically has this inexpensively available and those of us who have phones now we're you know fortunate to be able to use google transit but if there is in the future for hubs like the proposed on store certainly at ucsb perhaps at city college certainly the outside of the transit center some type of you know lcd display we can say what lines are coming and you know what the projected headways if in the future that becomes easily available i just think that might be a tool and that's that's my two cents sure i think david knows more details on that but we actually are in the process of purchasing i think it's new radios for our entire fleet and eat and those radios will be gps enabled which means that we will also be able to get what's called automatic vehicle locator technology in our system so eventually we'll be able to have a system where someone with a smartphone can log on to see where their bus is you know how far away it is from their bus stop they could get online they could get on their phone and yes eventually we'd love to have signs at the major bus stops that indicate which buses are approaching and that's great and yeah that we are also in the process of going out for bid for what's called super stops and browning will look at me and say you've been saying that for ten years now and they will be equipped with those lcd displays and i'm sure as we demonstrate those they will trickle out to other parts of the system as funds become available great hopefully there are seor days ahead and yeah just certainly as a writer you know one of my experience is just not being sure about the line twenty two i the one word i father saw there when i was looking through that is that lion has a lot of potential and you would think we'd be able to capitalize on that somehow that there's some way some rock we haven't  to make those jewels of some of the jewels of santa barbara are accessible by that line including that residential neighborhood know what's available to them and maybe i don't know i guess the only bright side to see this may be by taking away for a while it'll it'll cause that to happen and i just wanted to get briefly into the that kind of opens up the whole question of transportation incentives and incentivizing the transit program and and getting people out of their cars and all that kind of thing and i think we reached the point where we've done almost as much with the carrot as we can of and everyone's been fearful of using the stick but i think that next getting the next increment of ridership is going to take the more of the stick than the carrot approach to get denso parking issues and other disincentives and i guess naturally the cost of gasoline will be a disincentive visit that that continues to go up but we're on that tipping point right now and if we're going to increase numbers and all across the city we need to start looking at different things five five five said designated attention and all of the information about these changes is on our website you know if people want to get in there and look more closely at the proposals it's all available online great thank you so much for your time ok so that concludes our agenda um one other thing one thing that came up in public comment for things not on the agenda was bike corral situation um and i would just request that or to ask staff if we could get get that on if the near future agenda it will be on a future agenda we are gonna have a meeting next month and it's looking pretty full right