welcome to backstory with joan goldstein i'm joan goldstein today in my show we have three wonderfully interesting gentleman who are all connected to the sick face and we're going to find out about it we're going to find out about the history and the wonderful focus that this has upon their humanity let me introduce my guests on mind left  jang tough sing who is a businessman executive and a man who can speak so brilliantly about his faith and next to him is my friend s the origin what's the history of sick kids and that's spelled by the way s i k h ok would you like to start your own six of them goes back about five hundred years it's  process which is anybody who doesn't believe in their fate is an infidel and either be killed or converted kind of sort of thought process when he came to india is when the first prophet the founding g hundred times or even more back then and it was very very important to emphasize on peace and to make sure to let everyone practice what they want to practice what they were born to practice or what they wanted to practice and let everybody live in peace and harmony and that was a message that was that that created the foundation of sick ism primarily don't need religion  made a perfect group sing and preach spiritually yeah and they went around they've been around in all four directions spreading the message of peace the message of love the message of living harmoniously the message of not following rituals for the sake of following it but follow it because if there was any practical meaning we sort of learn so to get to i feel to get to true peace you have to understand one another and before you can get to that you need to understand yourself so so a lot of times when we have hatred and we have this sort of we the hatred comes from this disconnect between amongst other humans and it's because we sort of separate ourselves into categories us versus the and the other the unknown and that's where he comes from and so seekers and what it aims to do is it's  employees piece and the way it does that is because it shifts the spotlight away from the other towards yourself and in doing so you learn more about yourself you learn to pacify yourself and you learn to use what i mean by that is is it's easy to hate because we used to pacifier so when things don't go or our way we use hatred of others to pacify our inner turmoil and instead of doing that we can sort of look at ourselves and and nor selves better and that is how we pacifiers also for example if let's say you don't get the job you want to or you don't get laid sort of things don't go your way it's not it's easy to hate someone or some ethnicity because you think they're going to do the blame  rather if you look around yourself and say what can i do to better myself that is where peace comes from and god is how you learn to love because when you want yourself you can then hope to the love love the other and that is why  one universal god and that's what you know what we believe it's one universal god it's not saying somebody is god is not the right god well it's god according to them and hence we are supposed to respect them it's the same god and it's one universal almighty super power of god and if we see god in someone else hence we will fall in love with that person as well just because we see tend to find god about different civilizations and how you need peace and sympathy and the power of brotherhood and love and the says through those who only ages since humanity first appeared on earth a number of civilizations have risen and fall on babylonian egyptian greek roman it is believed by some that many thousands of years ago there were even a greater civilization called the civilisation it flourished on a vast and beautiful continent set like a jewel in the midst of the blue waters of the atlantic ocean ok but  today a mother humanity sheds tears while her children are busy preparing nuclear weapons ok this is very today this is very current and says did the in the long ago develop their science to a high degree without developing the inner power the power of the spirit did the scientific advancement of the in lanty ns out reach the ultra wisdom and their thousands try any chance discover the power of the atom a power which got the better of them and annihilated their great civilization for they had not grown in the true spirit of loving comradeship and fellowship of peace and harmony service and sacrifice and then he ends with is history repeating itself so we do have a very it's very contemporary it's very current in many ways and what they are looking at is no you know there were great civilizations in the past they're not here today howie but what happened to them what they do wrong and that goes back to five tell them b c and what happened to them who know so late what you say and they have come and go are we standing on the brink something going on and listen there's a realisation of wait a second if i don't learn from history we're bound cosmic same mistakes again if we don't realize that we're heading towards that pat and that realisation has to be a mass consciousness it cannot be an individual running the whole thing it has to be on a bigger scale where folks do realize that we are secondary there's something going on we fix this thing by coming on a table sitting across each other and talk about it or is it going to be if the atrocities from other side are so intense is it going to be a confrontation or is it going to be a peaceful resolution peace has to be given a chance at any given time no matter what and that's what our group is also  great misunderstandings several people of the sikh faith have been attacked in this in this country as well and perhaps overseas in the misbelief that they are terrorists they've been called terrorists how did this happen why is this happening what can we do about this so if you look at me and you of course know who six are then you will not make that mistake often mistak me take me for a muslim the way that the media has been projecting the muslim extremists is with a person who has a turban on had long well and we didn't touch upon this earlier on six were given a unique identity back in those days was for us to stand out and the reason why we had to stand out was because  there was forceful can worsens that were happening by converting hindus into muslims so our prophet said you know for a person who can can get away by calling himself my hair in my lifetime hence you maintain that identity and even if somebody says hey are you muslim i will have no option by it by saying i'm not i'm safe because my identity maintains me as that has kind of backfired in the western civilization weird awareness is not as much as two six are right after nine eleven we were mistaken as muslims and there was a whole lot of backlash this mr sodhi who was killed in wisconsin the three days after nine eleven and that's because we were mistaken and do your second part of the question what it is that we can person that wears a turban and has beard ninety nine percent of people wearing turban and beard in us are six only one person are muslims hence spread awareness be more accepting also what religion you or all of them believe that god there was a god and god created everything that exists today so in doing so if you're heating other people you're in by doing it by definition you're hating god's creations so it's i for personally find it difficult to understand how people who believe in god can can at the same time he create his creations how's that to me is a contradiction doesn't make sense to me because if you believe god created everything god created the person you're calling muslim the got god created person that you're calling the seed but god created the christian god pretty that person that organism that that entity that exists that you're hating so what are  doing to look at how how can we justify that in the in the in the in the in the sight of god that we sort of gave her a pointer solves the right to hate his creations so i feel th e urge any any of you is watching today if you are a god loving god fearing then understand that god created everything that exists so that we are not right in hating the others the other creations the other word too that came up quite the great thing because we are like leave so one tree of human race we follow we come back so we are command going so we should keep in mind for you know there was another thought that occurred to me your last name is saying as i entered your last name is saying right and you explain to me that the reason that you all have the same last name is is whole society into four different sects and four different sects had one being the priestly class another one being the warrior class thirdly here the business class and the fourth one being the one who would  service and that had gotten a bit out of hand a lot of ritualism in addition to a lot of people not not accepting that they can have other classes rise up as well gave a lot of so i would go back and that brings up another point in sick ism there's a major emphasis on equality between men and women equality of k that's a good one i mean there's a  moves along with the concept of a caring and peace is there a connection between equality accepting us as equals and the fact that that thing when they were left outside of society i excepted by the society so you know it seems to me you know being the sociologist i'm always interested in what the society does to the people does it create peace and unity or does it create dissonance and and hate because we know what hate can do we've seen enough of it yes and we're thinking how do we get get from that to what you're describing do you have any suggestions vessel to say so and underneath this sort of upper layer of the superficial litter we are all the same we all have the same so we're all of the same mind we all come from the same source as you are saying from a tree and because of that look  into that common source that we all have within us and then disregard the superficial layer because it does color that we see is something that will return to the soil after a times of so why hate someone based on this temporary thing instead love that thing that will last forever which is the soul underneath that is the commonality that you can sort of if you love that you can come away from the hatred and find peace because you know that underneath it all to me this beard underneath is the skin and underneath his hair and all these other things that we sort of allowed ourselves to separate the entire human society on agreed that we're all the same and we're all creating an at the end when you burn human beings it's all  our passions and those five hour anger attachment could eat and and i have to say we have to stop