from chicago illinois we bring you that or chairs that were chairs as presented by john rogers the founder and spiritual director of and as i say the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to  this seminars and titled who is the enemy within right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement get in the way of people having enough well and the first thing they want to tell you about is what we call the victim how many people know somebody excluding yourself right now not who  been victimized that you know if someone has been victimized how many know somebody who's a victim sets that's quite less will somebody who was victimized apparently didn't reside in the consciousness the also a victim of that and that's a choice by the way if you decide at some point in your life you're of victim you're making other decisions or go with it and i'd like to share some with you the most primary decision you're making is you're saying in essence to everyone i now have a right to get even i now have a right to take revenge on whoever did want to me or whatever the situation or circumstance was know in across the country and especially here in the united states recently we've seen a lot rioting and we've seen people pro trade the righteousness of the rioting out of something that happened to them or something that is happening to them that they seem to have no control over now that's being victimized now there were in some of the cities around many thousands of people out burning looting  harming other people and if you look at it from one point of view that's illegal if you look at it from the victim point of view we're just now getting even but the question you have to ask yourself is how far do you get to get even for something to happen to you so since my great great grandfather was hung for being a horse thief do i now have a right to go out and steal any horse i want to to get even with those people because after all he was my relative that's one way to look at it to make a big thing called now that the christians came over and slaughtered the a rabs during the crusades now the a rabs have a chance to get back they have to balance it or is it something where we say if i adopt a victim attitude i'm also adopting something this says i have no ability to respond to life is a very serious thing to do to say i cannot respond if you think someone has spoken mean to you hurtful harm to you some way or another might be your spouse could be a boss but it's a significant type of other person we've made them significant because of our relationship with them then we have to deal with now i get to get even you understand almost follows if i'm a victim i get to get even not only that is seems to be our honor bound duty to get even and people then say well if served them right they got what they deserve oh i know in my life and you probably found in yours that a great great deal of the time we're bumping into other people as we try to do things  spouse a boss a child a relative a neighbor this could be any number of people and just attempting to do something in a real hole some direct attitude we find out that somebody is saying i'm a victim years ago when i was really young we heard about a man who had smacked his wife and when we saw her she had a black eye and we were all really like why did you hit her because we sort of a dent if i had with her now we took the victim side call now we're going to get back at this guy for her and he said well last night we were out dancing as she said on another man's lap and the way she stood there she shouldn't have done that look said she got what she deserved now here it is a family situation it's a family  just something wrong he felt the victim he gets to hit her she now has a back i should be evil except something happens in there called it never is evil they hit too hard they hit too long they yelled too long they kept at it too long you went too far you did too much until just now they're waiting and they're going to wait and wait and wait to get even again there was a movie out many years ago where a lady got pregnant by her husband his business was unsavory and she had an abortion and him having her have an abortion was terrible he felt a victim and what was it was a boy it would have been a boy and that's what he wanted now he's got life stacked against him it's a real stroke not only that she says i never want to have your child ever because of something he did before she now striking at him in the worst way possible so now he's a victim right he banishes her says i never want to ever see you again and that's it and she's gone you people ever see the godfather as a scenario out of it you call it now you're going to know if i saw that particular war while there were three so now you can go home and get your videotapes that watch of one thing that we have to watch if we're going to work in a wealth consciousness a wealth consciousness is that we do not adopt and adapt to being the victim in any type of situation no matter what is happening no matter what we eat that doesn't mean that we can't stand up and say stop doing that but we don't get up from this place of being a victim this is a place of revenge this is a place of premeditation people go into being the victim very very often and now there's the real big ones where you kill when the person is a victim and then it goes the very slight where somebody takes your car parking place our guests in line just in front for you to get the ticket and those ten thousand tickets you feel like a victim because of what they've done what we're saying here is you're letting your emotions dictate your consciousness and those things just seem to come up where do they come up from if they come up where they come up from well let's go to the second inside of us is a dark side and that dark side is an enemy to all the conscious thing we want to do it tells us all the negative things in our mind it tells us the judgments we have on other people it tells us how bad they really are it tells us the terrible things that they do even though we've just seen them go psychologically if you've just seen somebody and you're telling them about the terrible things that they do that is classically called projection them people say projection doesn't work does it's there i receive letters and notes about people in different parts of the country where something happened and they're writing to me to tell me what a terrible thing this person did and how terrible they were and i check it and you know in fact it has no validity in emotion ality it has a lot so then where does it come from the person inside had all those repressed unconscious feelings and at that moment in their existence up comes the energy and out it goes on to the other person and then they declared the other person dark bad wrong terrible and it's very classic if i make you wrong i make you bad then whatever i do to you you deserve it now i'm setting you up to be the victim these are two areas we have to watch out if we're going to do anything on the planet worthwhile for our self or anyone else these are two areas to watch out for so who's the enemy to you you're the enemy there were some very classical statements made by jesus in the bible  when we look at those in any type of perspective and we want to get real down close on what was being said and why then we have to find out what is no deeper meaning in all this you know the story about the prodigal son if you take that out of flesh and blood and put it into a psychological framework you have the good part of you that goes out and has fun and dances us and loses all your money and has a great time and then feels bad and we have the other part to this righteous stead forth does all the work folds all the rules follows all the regulations and those are two parts of the same personality and the part that is really right and good says i don't want this part back but the soul the mediator of our personality says wait a minute that part's lost to us and jesus said if you have one sheep lost do you not go and get it yeah that part when it gets so debasing becomes a victim turns and tries to find a way out the other part here in righteous indignation will forbit unless there's a spiritual intercessor that works in this one there was the father that said wait a minute son you've always been here you're going to get everything i've got this one took his and left but look he's coming back are we to deny him no you must embrace him as the other part of your personality in the bible it says let god make perfect in you what was started what does that perfect i mean is this some sort of utopian ideals of mean that your feet don't get dirty that you walk on water you float through the air build the old the word perfect as coming from the aramaic just means completed it really just means bring to completion the perfect estate is a completed state doesn't mean it's elevated now we go into the first spirit which is acceptance if you look at some part of you and you look in there and you say that part thinks things that are inappropriate that part desires to do things that are totally out of line that part really lies up a storm or that part if people knew what i thought and the things i want to know that never talk to me again is terrible in the classic story that is people heard about this man who was a robber a burglar a thief and a liar but the people loved him anyway because they knew he had a darker side so it makes you come to wonder what is this darker side whatever somebody can pin on you that they you which now comes out of the class of projection most of the things that we do are projected on us i've ever heard a mother refer to her daughter as you're no good you'll be a prostitute you'll be a harlot you're a terrible rotten person and then the girl turns out like that she had liver mothers projections we can get caught up in these and psychologically invert it to us and say because this person who raised me is god knows this about me i am them that one doesn't work the other way when they say you're a wonderful beautiful great person you go out and become a thief and a murderer or something else because you have your own enemy sitting inside of you your destiny what you're here to do what you're here to learn these are all sitting inside of you as hard as i can be really hard to think i got this addiction i got this anorexic condition i got this alcoholic condition i got this prescriptive drug condition i've got this why what we're not doing is we're not doing what the bible said for us to do what the lord said to do and that is to love your neighbor as yourself the hardest thing all christians are having to do is to love your neighbor if you love them you don't judge them and most all the preachers we hear and watch on t v now are judging as they convey the information to people and they're trying to make those people they're there feel righteous and good and those people want there are wrong the enemy and they deserve to teaching all i want to do is go back and see what is said there for yourself sit down and read it get it for yourself then the difficult difficult thing happens if we look at this enemy and we want to now take it and depersonalize it let's just call it the unconscious the great unconscious the sest post humanity anything that we don't want we don't like we dump it and where does it go into this because we're creators we're forgiveness is not of grace it is not and it is of the negative power so we have an immediate choice sitting on us to learn the law and either live it to perfection who says you can't do that you can't live it to completion why people interpret or you move into the kingdom of heaven and what is one of the primary things in the kingdom of heaven few people know because creativity just creativity and where is the energy come from right out of this cesspool this is fertilizer who we tap the unconscious energy comes up now comes the ego part of our personality where we start to discern that will work on our path and that that will not and we start to screen it off but if we don't open it up and let it out it then comes busting out as psychological deviations it can be physical illnesses we can be psychiatric in his presentation but in the midst of having those things underneath is the repository of wealth we have to then go into the dark part of us and love it for that's the key into the kingdom is to love it as it is we love it and we almost have to stand up and acknowledge that that is part of us we've ever heard people to say one size did up and confessed my sins and i felt so much right because you no longer compressing down the energy field you no longer denying you no longer saying that is not so as much you saying that's where i am at this moment but then what will all these people say well if they're really followers of christ they're going to love you knowing you had a real hard time and if they're not they're going to judge you and become followers of the negative power and you'll be dealing with them anyway but what if that's my husband get another husband are you saying divorce not just same divorce i'm saying got to open your thought to say if he doesn't love me i'll get somebody else if she doesn't love me if they don't like me i'll go someplace else you have to give yourself an option to what's going on if you don't if you don't have the right to argue with your spouse because they won't like me your marriage is going in failure but there's no need to have an argument  that it ain't worth living knowledge isn't that at all do you have to participate with everybody no you have choices you participate on the level of where you want to go in your life participate in the level of what you want more often when we come to a certain place in the unconscious and it's bubbling up if we don't acknowledge and take control it will drive us crazy we will get nervous irritable will get anxious to get upset will have terrifying attacks of consciousness inside of us will have anxieties will have depressions what are those those are manifestations of us not acknowledging the parts of us that are also not what we're presenting what i present is not me you're seeing me by reflected light i am light not the reflection light and i understand that you're not that also so i never take you at face value but i love you in your presentation because i know it's hard to do that some of you had a real hard time getting this far in your life when you  fought the victim you fought all of it and you're here i understand that but that doesn't make you the lone ranger special because everyone in this room have fought this at some time or another sometime or another we've all been into it why do we do it that we only have one option to love it anyway for us to take a moment to sit down when things are going bad and really hell is breaking loose and in that you say and father i love me in this anyway and one time might not do it now you've got another option how many times you going to do this let me tell you if you stop short of ending where you want you will still be as bad as when you first started out and it's a waste of time to do it so once you start go just do what the problem is with all of our going will look back and by the looking back we see where we are and that we're in unfamiliar territory up flows the enemy  says you don't know what's going on you don't know where you're going you don't know how you got here and then you have to ask this guy inside do you know how i got here if you don't know how i got here shut up if you do know how i got here you know how to get to the next place carry on can you give yourself over to an enemy an enemy inside of you that's really stubborn like you may say my worst thing is my stubbornness all it has just killed me what happens once you embrace that part it's amazing how it's dark side turns and now you don't have stubbornness you have determination and all the power that was blocking you before is now the power to ascension business upliftment your say how that terrible thing that i was doing as soon as i said i was doing is switched the depression that was there left i'm getting high i'm getting light i'm getting bright why do i do workshops because we know in the process of examining things in your life you'll come to a place where you'll start to tap the unconscious and acknowledge its presence even if it's negative when you say i really feel junky about this thing we're now discussing and what we're doing said tell us about the junk you feeling well it was junk when i just started out he already has started to change and  you acknowledge it along the way you doing an affirmation you're really saying out of god comes all things i'm on this thing with god i mean going to all things it's wonderful it's beautiful and it's positive thinking i was talking to a field the other day and he said well is this just positive thinking this is what i mean just positive thinking is so rare i suppose what if it were just positive thinking if you're doing it do you wonder and what you've got he goes oh yeah so i wasn't i wasn't trying to make it be anything with the wild as i said you said is it just because yeah you know it's really a bad way to say that isn't it i said no it's not this i'll now what i call is critical analysis critical thinking examining the possibilities looking at the potentials and is that what i'm doing is it negative only if i put emotion on it and if i keep it off and keep the intellect just observing looking placing sorting put in there for the right place i now find them usable qualities and commodities usable  critical thinking usable because you want to go into a dark room when the first thing you want knows where the light switch that's a critical thinking process where's the light switch i want to know how to turn the light on it's dark in there i don't know what's in there show me the switches show to you now you might say what but that isn't really a negative thinking depends on the emotion you put on it if you're in the room and it's dark and you don't know how to get out if somebody says there's snakes in there on the floor with you and i think they're bad snakes you rip the walls up you have more energy than you thought possible if there's a snake in there you'd stop it to death that's the energy that comes out of moving with any kind of a thought process and therefore we have to direct the process we have to direct it it's difficult why most time we are saying where do i directed directive from where you are out it's as simple as that from where you are out how far out just as far as you can take it away take it to the door when you get there start directing again well the person said if it isn't positive thinking you do what is isis positive focus why why positive focus rather positive thinking because positive focus says i'm going there and i see it and along the way if things come up that are negative and i think negative it was stopped me from going there because i've now got the focus and i put in a negative and positive in order to keep me on the line of where i want to go i one side is negative decides positive and i just keep them to use them to keep me back in line and keep me going but what do you say and i'm acknowledging to you that i get out of line but i don't have to say i get out of line oh i have to know that that's the process and i am now tapping the enemy and i'm refraining it making it a friend converting it to my use i can convert to my abuse you know what will happen it will go into the unconscious and it'll come up with something negative later on very frankly given all my druthers i'd rather have all my negatives come up right now and if it kills me i'm through it and that's right now didn't go into writing them it's now it's a massive hard technique fall on the floor in your epileptic you phone when you do all these things and you're banging around to hit your head and you get a stroke yeah but when that's over i got to be good again because now all my negativity is are gone but the results of the negativity we often have to pay for and part of that is because the kingdom of heaven has its one component that doesn't have anywhere else its creativity it demands from you loyalty if it comes to man's law on the law of the heaven you won't give up man's lot and turn this means in the final analysis you only have you only along the way you feel lonely you feel i'm lonely you feel with people you can do things with people and when you come down to final analysis you're with you and that's where it's going to go but if you stop to really think about who do you really have anyway all these people miss room what do you have any way your individual personality the perception of your creativity as you and what you do and the results of how that comes back to you that's what you have and that's how you're a dent to finding yourself in this world rightfully so how else do a dent fire self from someplace inside i know a lot of us the vendor fire self look in the mirror and go how do i get to look like that i should be much much trimmer much younger much more hair a nice tan all the time well then you have to have a genetic thing we come back in with a tan your body and i don't want to do that is to want to take pills that have a have more melanin in your body and give sunlamp and but i don't want to go through all that then why want it if you're not willing to put the energy to go for it part of the process of illness is having the where with all internally to continue on i was going to write when i was pretty young and i asked a person what it took to write like a book like like something like this and they said well it takes and they laid out all the things we'll say and have a that so i said well having none of it i'll do none so i end up with none of you understand what that is but at the same time inside of me i said what is this that urges the communication what is it that wants to be in a form that wants to inform there was a fearful one the said if i can write it i don't have to stand up and speak it i knew it was it was a sale of me at the time it happened i knew who it was and it was winning i would rather fail a class in school than to stand up and deliver a book report in my church i'd rather be excommunicated stand up and talk for three missed in front of anybody do understand the enemy inside it class and realized i now have to speak what i've written i take that paper instead of my dad would threaten me you don't do that i'll skin you alive and i would just look at it my older sister said you got too much of mean you and i said what's what's that she's woven they would go to beat me if i wanted something she said i'd grit my teeth and i'd keep going is and it hit me and hit me she's not keep going till i got it you she said no she said it tried to make me think i was being hurt i said did you get it she said most of the time most of time enough to she kept doing it over and over and sometimes she didn't get it but she kept going over and over she still a real good example for me because he's much older than me and she still is doing it she continues on i used to think that lady is so darned cus all she was just very narrow in her focus and very determined to accomplish it she told me once she left a good job because if it was said about her and she realized the person who said about her she knew was a lie but it hurt her so badly to think that somebody would say that and that anybody would believe it the she left it was when the victim showed up and started to play a part of her life do because she also said once i realized if i made my mind up to do it and didn't stop because of what they said or thought i could have what i want in life she says than i have then i said what did you want in life her boys have got boys she still doesn't feel like a victim because she has a good lady friend that she grew up with and has a boy they got married they got a little girl and she now projects herself off on to the little girl exactly like i like it or it's not mine if we give that up and embrace this greater part of the unconscious opens up into other people there is some bad news about that if you're going to open up to other people you've got to be prepared for them opening back up to you and the line by which you just don't stand to people is the same line by which the extension comes back measure that you give is the measure that you receive the means by which you judge is the method by which you receive judgment there's only one choice then really when you start to like come to the bottom of what is it i will choose to be loving and more loving but what about the agenda that you use love to get what you want i know it's got the enemy in there i've got a manipulator controller i got one who try to be deceitful sneak things through well how do you justify that with all this loving i tell people listen i'm a loving person and you know i still would do deceptive manipulative cheating things that you know that and you get into it you're into it i just seem to sort of do it once you do do it and they go with you who comes kind of themself the victim the one who has not learned to tap the power of the enemy within will remain the victim and you almost have to forgive them their transgression against themself you have to forgive you really have to say the poor dear soul they're smoking and they don't know what that's doing to them it's really tearing up their body and the poor dear soul you have to forgive them that negative thinking is so hard if i have to judge them in their negativity i am pouring gasoline  burning fire water on it do nothing to it they've asked you for nothing what do you do just love them that may be what they need more than anything else i'm really convinced the all of the negative things we hear all the negative things that we do the negative things that other people do is very simply getting down to one or two premises i want to give love i want to receive love if we move to that real fast start to move to the loving they'll have still themself against failure and against subterfuge against deception they're going to be blocked and they're going to have the barriers up you don't have to do anything because the enemy inside of them tapped into the conscious will start to produce a psychosis in them that will be there to break them free of the delusions of what they've got going so they can accept  total beingness we can't go anywhere into the spirit world without taking our being us with a yes and it is made up of all of these facets of the personality a trinity in the spirit world called god the father god the son and god the holy spirit and what is the holy spirit and why do they call it that because it's not a partial and the goodness of god in the stars to float up and out and it takes a personality in lifts that and that doesn't mean for one minute that the negative side will sit there and nag away at us but if we acknowledge the nagging side people who are understanding of that could come up and say you know i understand that but only if they understand it will work if they just say you go yeah you don't understand anything when they say i understand that i have that i still have i still do that type of jumping it's getting easier then they say tell me a little bit more so we all want to have the experience of living in the vitality of that we want that we also want very safe and secure and very much under our control and to jump off a bridge with a cord on your leg and go down a bounce up and down isn't saying you have anything in control it's really saying you've thrown your fate to the wind people they get through that tell us one or two simple things and they'll say it this way the greatest obstacle i had was not the jumping not the getting on the bridge to jump it was the fear of all of that it was intended goal i could not see it but it was so very very real it would not let me do it now you know how powerful an enemy you have inside of you when it decides to take you in hand lose you fear and you talk to people who say now you did that did you have to go off to have fear i went the toilet three times before i could get up here i lost control of my body functions did i have fear yes i had fear what did you do i came up half way up each time and when i get so scared terrified i just turn around go back down so i knew i had a choice to continue want to go down once i knew i had a choice i start to have some options about how i felt about that once i realized i had some options i would go to feel the terror to say well i don't have to jump i go right up on the bridge and look down and i still have to jump and i turn around and walk down and i come up a time i want to do that and in truth that's exactly what they did do the one day they put on the waist the harness just to see what it felt like and had people pull on steve would really hurt when to really break their back when it really fulfill all the dreams of the delusions they had their mind and the host nations of hurt no i didn't do it then one day they stood up and they said oh my god they're at the place where they embrace the enemy and they had the fear of embracing the enemy turn to the courage of completion and they did it and once they did it all of the things that were flowing against them f almost inevitably these people i know i know one that didn't but he's has his life income is based upon him having a good healthy body and nice looks and if he damages it by doing this particular thing is out of work  look at his economics he did do it to find out what it was almost all the others will do it again because the first time may have been an accident may have been luck may have been irrationality but the second one has to be determined choice and once you make a determine choice and we do something we then become free in it not free form  now people have asked me you going to go bungee jumping and i said no they said why not i said it enough i think i could do skydiving a lot easier why i don't want intrigued with angle is a scary oh yeah the scary like bungee jumping that doesn't scare me i'm not interested maybe you're scared and you decide to be not interested yeah maybe so what do you do about that not prove anything to you in your comment because as soon as i do i've made myself a victim to their statement and i'll be doing it out of entirely the wrong wrong reason for me i've got to do it for me and now the right reason the right purpose or i will not gain of benefit from doing it will look to me and end up being the thing that i say what a waste river done a thing where you've said what a waste you do it for the wrong reason does it make you feel bad to say that not me because once i know it's for the wrong reason i am now free to do the right reason but if i defend my reasons in the wrong i am held as far back as that wrongness is i cannot advance anywhere into my life because that's a reference point for me i've nailed myself down when little baby elephants are trained to take a then they take a little small stake like this and pound on the ground tied the elephant to a big elephant because he knows he can't he can't think he can only go from the experience and that's the bad news is he can't think through his experience he's now a victim to a little piece of rope and must pro trade the victim as much as the one who can victimize him will do it the happens to animals when we become a victim we're becoming an animal we're becoming a creature human will act human will talk human nevertheless it's a creature function that we're dealing with the i tell us to to solve you know when something happens you start to see what kind of a creature you are in there that creature is also your enemy and if it is a creature of a donkey that stubborn it's also the donkey that can carry tremendous loads once you get it movi it is it will change and revert and come to power inside of you at that moment you are sitting on the most wonderful wealth of your existence the ability to do and the strength to do it and the energy to complete it is the true well out of that comes our health and our happiness you know if we don't have health and doesn't matter what the riches are i know very very rich people who are very sick who can't go and do things that they really ought to be able to do for their age because the health of their body  they would give as much money as they could to get well if they knew they could get well but not knowing that they'd be grudge the money to expand to even search for their wealth and they sit in poverty consciousness not in the wealth consciousness and they've got a lot of money and there are other people who don't have a lot of money and realize without their help they have nothing and will spend almost all their money to get well they will pursue health and you say where do they get the money to keep doing that they have we we tapped the unconscious and we have access and resource to all the money on the planet anyone owns anyone and everyone the money that's hidden has been forgotten we have access to it we can't get to any of these things if we deny them a means of access the enemy sits right at the door of accessing that therefore even out of the thing of greed and lust and desire turn embrace and acknowledge all parts of your existence on the doors of what you want don't want to enjoy your last days here but i don't want to sin sin means to miss the mark why do three miss the mark you still go towards perfection to completion you still do the best you can with what you've got and what you're working with knowing you missed the mark you still continue on to teach high school and he soon in the race which is i want you do one thing for me i said well let's hear what the one thing is because i'm a teacher i'm not so much going to bargain with you for it but it's existence she's an even if he loses the race and he was a long distance swimmer she sa comes in and finishes even if he comes in on the bottom of the pool and i said tell him that she said well why don't i tell you i said because i might not be there at all his races he's the one that's going to be racing tell him that and i call him over and she told him right from me he says mom says i'm not a quitter he says now that i know you're behind me  her i'm not to mention the brother's name he said i'm me i want to do this and i'll try to work up to it she looked at me i said i'll go along with that one why because he's going along with that one that means i don't have to do anything except help him from a distance on have to go and swim with him just say here's how to do it better more efficiently more effectively travelers jobs or that their job is to just tell you that they don't get out and swim with you they'll go for a big coach you they direct you they give you do from a should know it's yours if you don't do it you don't do it others are doing it and that's material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book about john roger and m s i they call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine book that's one eight hundred eight ninety nine two six six five you can this has been that which is with john rogers thanks for joining