i draw ilian beings based on people's alien encounter experiences so i work with abductees experiencers contactees and i talk to them about their experiences of alien visitation or abduction or contact i work with people who have reported alien encounter experiences and i do drawings of the the aliens that they describe  got i got involved in this basically in the early ninety's when when i started attending meetings of the u f o contact center international hosted by eileen route in federal way  and i started meeting experiencers my primary interest is really in the reptilian type of alien that people describe which is said to resemble a lizard or a snake or sometimes a dinosaur a crocodile but it has basically reptilian features and for me that goes back to my childhood when i used to be fascinated in kindergarten i was fascinated with dinosaurs  and i always loved dinosaurs from the time i first learned about them and then basically first grade second grade i started going out into the woods with friends and catching lizards looking for snakes and catching garter snakes and go for snakes and i've always been fascinated with reptiles so basically the reptilian alien was if i'm going to study aliens reptilian type is a natural fit for where i come from the reptilian aliens that have a history that basically goes back to the late eighty's that's when researchers started started to really just classifying the different aliens the way we do  now before before the eighty's it was basically just a hodgepodge of different types of humanoid beings that people were reporting there was the the ones from the barney and betty hill case which were humanoid had a kind of  cheer drop shaped eyes that were slanted and wrapped around the side of the head there was the one the travis walton saw which he described as humanoid kind of fetus like in appearance with very large eyes almost five feet tall and then there were other kind of anomalous types but it wasn't really until the late eighty's after about hopkins books missing time intruders came out and  with the stripper's communion that people started talking about what we now call the greys i haven't really been able to find the term greys in trance prior to about one thousand nine hundred ninety although i know the term was in use during the late eighty's say eighty eight eighty nine the reptilians that research i think began with karla turner and barbara barr to like in the late eighty's and then john carpenter  for me one nine hundred eighty seven when communion came out was kind of a big opening for me and for a lot of people in the u f o field a lot of experience or saw the cover of that book and they realized hey this face is familiar or they had a immediate emotional response to it and for me it was i was already interested in the u f o phenomenon from the point of view of the betty hill case so when i saw the communion still thought well this is like a take you and want to be in the betty and barney and barney hill case they didn't find the aliens as being likely from these a terrifically star system based on the star map work of marjorie's fish and so i assumed well this is maybe this is just someone trying to make it create a false alien experience that looks like somewhat like the betty hill case but i was open minded i wanted to see what whitley strieber had to say so i read the book and him and he struck me as honest and as reporting his experience and i realized well there may be more variation to this alien encounter thing than i might have initially expected because when i did get first get involved in this i assumed there would be just maybe a few types of aliens visiting and i can give you a  rundown of the different types you know people talk about greys people talk about reptilians people talk about nordics or human looking beings people talk about insect like or praying mantis types and those types weren't really known in that way until the early ninety's if you consider the different types of aliens the grays are actually several different types some of them are more  more fetus like more human like some are more people think of them as biological robots or programmed life forms or synthetic biological units that they are designed for a specific function  they have different variations in terms of height so you have typically the small gray workers are often three three and a half feet tall taller grays tend to be four feet to five  t occasionally people describe grays that are even taller than that and then there's also differences in the number of fingers the most common type would be a hand with three fingers  sometimes people describe what looks like four fingers without any visible thumb although when you ask about the details of that people will say that the fingers bend unlike human fingers so that even though it looks like they don't have a thumb they can still use the hands for grasping the grays are many different types and so when we talk about greys as a category that's really just just kind of a way to  pigeonhole it's a really huge category of different types of beings reptilians are also quite varied although i can give you a description of a typical reptilian i think the typical reptilian and that is often people get names in this case it was this being with described the tar oh the woman was meditating and she'd seen u f o s near her house before you know looking up into the sky at night but in this particular case she was meditating and she's had the sudden impression of gecko eyes staring into her eyes you described it as like a like a get to lizard it kind of amber colored iris that filled pretty much the entire eyeball and these vertical pupils and the name tara came to her so people do get name sometimes particularly from the reptilians they find often they reptilians will give people a name not always and sometimes people have to come up with a nickname for the being but the tar is different from the average reptilian in that the tar has  a more lean build a very slender graceful he looks almost like a reptilian grey hybrid in some respects but he still has the pronounced tendons on the neck kind of a bonior it that runs down the forehead which is fairly subtle but still noticeable so that is it an example of more leanly built reptilian but in the majority of cases they get where people talk about  really big massive being about seven feet tall on average even taller up to close to eight feet sometimes a bit shorter closer down to six feet but generally very muscular the to the first knuckle so it's not like the whole hand is completely webbed but there is some webbing noticeable between the fingers the webbing often doesn't have scales noticeable on it like the rest of the skin is covered with s s you wonder if their ancestry is aquatic or semi aquatic like they're obviously they would be good swimmers with the web han though some have wondered if the reptilians are actually amphibians well in most cases they do have scales so they're certainly not amphibians like creatures on earth there are there are some reports of reptilians that have a smooth skin without scales or just with patchy scales but they still have that general reptilian or lizard like appearance and so we still call them a  reptilian and in the cases of the ones with the more amphibian type skin people have even ascribed a moist looking skin as if there is a skin secretion of some kind like an amphibian those types are less common though most of them have the dry skin with with scales  and they can be really beautiful the scale patterns the color variation the texture off in the scales are described as smooth typically you know they're described as kind of lizard like sometimes they overlap at the edges like snake scales and they have asked people for details on the scales i always ask lots of questions to bring out as much detail as possible about what the beings look like sometimes i repeat the same question or rephrase it in order to test the person's memory not that i would question their memory my goal is not to prove the reality of the experience but just to document the variations in the details of its you know the experience is what it is and i have to adapt my investigative strategy to work with that it's very hard for those who want to prove that the beings exist and you would work with physical evidence and certainly people have had scratch marks or bruises on their body as a result of encounters with some of these beings but it's very hard to prove medically that that was caused by being touched by a reptilian or something like that my goal is to is to just document all the descriptive variation determine what the beings look like  determine try to classify the aliens according to the different types there reptilians are quite beautiful in terms of some people describe them as ugly i guess adult h m's on how you feel about reptiles i've always loved reptiles and the way people describe them to me is beautiful in some cases reptilian types do have a tail the tail can be either just a short stubby  be longer like maybe a couple feet long or it can be almost touching the ground it can be a very long tail although usually they carry the tail in a more dignified manner where they hold it above the ground rather than actually dragging it's not all have a tail but they do also not only do they have that variation as far as a tail or not a tail but they also sometimes have different kinds of chest coverings often will describe the chest as basically the same type of scales that they have over the rest of the body in some cases though people describe something that resembles a turtle shell or what would be called a or you could call it a cara piss or a breast plates but it's like a natural armor which covers the chest and it looks very tough like it would protect the chest for being know any kind of impacts or or aggression and it is said that the reptilians are of warrior ancestry and then in some cases they have chest that's covered with wide  horizontal scales ventral scales are skewed which would be similar to what you see on the belly of a typical kulu bridge snake like even a familiar garter snake they have those wider skills that go r softer scales down lower on the abdomen or it might cut off sharply where is just a very hard piece single piece over the chest and then and then just distill it down as you get near the waist it just there's the edge of it and then it goes back to the normal skin there reptilians do not have external genitals people are always interested in this but typically the genitals are they talked about situations where people reported being raped by the reptilians and while those situations do occur i've talked to people who have had that experience and it is real and it is traumatic and it does leave the physical marks there are also a large number of cases where people have had positive or neutral experiences with the reptilians and not every sexual encounter with a reptilian is rape in fact sometimes it is lovemaking and the reptilians their telepathic they can communicate extreme love to a person the interactions with the reptilians are not always sexual although you know that is something people often talk about but that's really just kind of a side issue they could they can be teachers they can be kind of partners  protectors that people have a lot of different sorts of interactions with the reptilians they do feel often that these beings are their family that perhaps the experiencer comes from the same soul group as their reptilian like this is perhaps even a soul mates someone they've known in other lives and then you get into this whole issue of is there reincarnation do we have past lives future lives parallel lives and this is an important aspect of the alien encounter phenomenon and i think it is something that has to be acknowledged as an experience that people have  even during the ninety's when dan wright was doing the abduction transcription project with move fun he discovered five theme that were common across cases and so one of those themes was this sense of an alien connection which is described in various ways but sometimes the beings will tell people that you are one of us now certainly you have to consider the possibility whether the beings are just saying this as kind of a ruse to get the person to go along with them but i've talked to so many people now who not only have been told that but but feel it deeply and and through their own dreams since coming through recognition of their past lives they they realize that yes they are working with these beings on some other level so people do experience an alien connection the term starseed is often used to people feel that they are part of the same soul group as some of the alien beings u f o occupants extra terrestrials whatever you wish to call them  and then that raises the question of where do they actually come from what should we call them but hopkins tended to call them u f o occupants he goes back to the history of the u f o phenomenon people used to say yes there you have the skies but is there anyone to ellen on board and for the longest time you know back during the sixty's u f o investigators did not really want to acknowledge that yes they were actually beings flying these craft and people could be taken aboard and interact with these beings i think it smacked of the contactee movement which a lot of researchers at the time wanted to distance themselves from because of some of the extraordinary claims that had been made about visitors from venus and so forth but there are there are definitely u occupants now we can call them aliens that's kind of the term i prefer because it's generic it doesn't really say where they come from they could include under the concept of aliens you could also include interdimensional beings being from parallel realities the concept of an alien for me the way i use it includes beings from other dimensions parallel realities that could include time travelers an extra terrestrials who came from some other star system so i prefer the term alien some people prefer extra terrestrials because it's makes the being sound maybe even less foreign than if you call them ellie this this gets to the point of weather of what people believe and when you're interviewing someone who's had a contact experience whether you call that person an abductee an experience or a contactee you want to you know get to what their experience was what it was they saw what it was they felt even what they smell what they heard you can go through the senses of what what they what they sense if they're describing of experience on board or craft go through each of the senses of what they do what they sensed on while they were on the craft but you want to avoid them giving a long dialogue on what they believe and if they do start talking about what they believe you can gently pull them back to what it was they experience you can ask them how did you form this belief is this something that you've got through your experience and you might bring out more information that way but i do believe the way to learn about this phenomenon is to talk to a large number of experiencers to give each one the benefit of the doubt as far as assume that they're honest assume that they're telling you they believe and perhaps perhaps some of them are not being honest perhaps some of them are are are experiencing delusions i believe the best way to learn about it is to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and over time you know folks spend more time with the experiencers that you feel are credible and work to get the details of their experiences a and of course not only the details but the context in which each experience occurred so that you know the date the time where they were how this experience fits into their lives because you can learn a lot about how the phenomenon operates how it functions the rules that the u f o occupants ten to follow because there are patterns there are commonalities go across many people's experiences so you want to learn about those patterns and in a sense that is the evidence even if you're not working at documenting every scar and bruce and scoop mark that someone has or or if they see enough hands my alien handprint on a mirror or or alien finger marks in the dust on a on a cabinet or something because people do sometimes have those kinds of evidence basically the evidence that i'm interested is the the anecdotal evidence and that is a dense it is testimony that would not exist without some stimulus something causing it we don't know what the source is you can't prove that but it is important to consider that there is some experience some stimulus something that left an emotional impact and that left an experience so it comes down to signal and noise if you work with a lot of experience servers spend more time with the to have interesting experiences and seem credible then over time the signal of the genuine contact experience abduction experience whatever the experience is will kind of come out and the noise will be left in the background so basically we have greys reptilians insect oids typically the praying m nordics we call them nordics because they have scandinavian features you could say kind of chiseled features and often blond hair and they look human although people do describe something different about the eyes and those are the main types and there are several other less common types that are reported including beings of light and stocky stocky blue beings but  you know and among those types there are many variations but those are the main types of visitors and it is there's definitely something there there is definitely something these people are experiencing and it's affecting them emotionally and it is leaving physical marks and missing time experiences and their seeing objects balls of light floating through the home there's a phenomenon here that's definitely worthy of investigation and