now we are currently playing your car car chronicles what i got to ask you because i made my own documentary called pennsylvania hardcore and that took how do you put ninety minutes into trying to do a whole history you had a big beast here and i'm sure you could a major documentary way harder how do you go about putting together and how do you know how do you go about basically saying this is this is what i got that represented like to put together well with this particular film the new york hardcore chronicles film it's not the history of new york hardcore it's really it's shot in episodic format so i avoid that whole you know to do the history of new york hardcore i probably need six hours or something like that volume so really it's really about the community in the culture and the way the film is set up is it's really episodes and segments so sort of it's all very random so this is sort of like if there was you know like like a deck of cards if there was if there was fifty segments and i kind of shuffled you know the deck and and sort of you know dealt like six or seven cards six or seven episodes and that's kind of what it is so you know it's not you know historical in a sense like that it's sort of it's it goes all over the place with the threat of new york hardcore running through it so you know that's how i approach that and you know in that regard this is a film that you know could go on you know forever or not forever but for a while but but eventually i had to wrestle it into a feature film format that took a little while well and serves a lot of people from the hardcore scene watching this and probably already seen it like i have whatever anybody else who want to watch this movie right now how they go about saying well the new yorker chronicles films on i tunes and on amazon and a lot of you know those those platforms you know vimeo or you to been you know all those platforms but i tunes is really probably a good way to see it of the d v d s also available at w w w w w w the new york hardcore chronicles film dot com and the d v d is available in this merchandise they like t shirts and sweatshirts and some of my other films are available so the film the film has been out since may of two thousand and seventeen  and it's been a real nice run you know over the summer did a bunch of screenings all over the world and people love the film so it's cool venom you also have one coming out i saw the trailer and mohamed ali they always film is interesting my dad was a was a filmmaker and my dad did a mohammad ali documentary in the seventy's called me we and it's it's a short documentary film about ali doesn't really take place in the ring per se it's more about his lifestyle at the time and you know kind of him in his training camp and and you know in his relationship with kids in the public and so like a lifestyle film and my dad did it and it ran on h hundred seventy seven i believe like eight times when h b o was like a box that you press the button you know so it ran about eight times in one nine hundred seventy seven and then it went into a draw for forty years so at a certain point my dad gave me the film and i took the film and i did a new film to take transfer and we call it corrected it and we did an oreo mix and would do you know looking to get it out there and the based on the success of this film and my other film that we're going to talk about in a little while other distributor was interested in you know what else you know that i had and sports films do very well you know on i tunes and things like deal for the ali film it's called me we and we're doing a screening in new york in january and with former mayor david dinkins hopefully and you know just getting out there so i sort of regurgitated the film and to do another one on brock ability then yeah gearing up to do a rockabilly film with the one of the guys from the stray cats slim jim phantom that's in pre production now is trying to get it rolling you know kind of a you know i don't see the history of rockabilly but they're like slim jim walking us through you know the rockabilly world you know and so that should be you know trying to get that going now you know and just trying to start that odyssey now which you know usually these films take a couple years to do so here enough to do that so i i personally got a question because i made my own documentary i did one and i was done and i realize there's a lot of people when you do these topics that a lot of hands involved sometimes you're on punk rock time sometimes you've got people that are right there and you either got like yeah you tomorrow and you can move how did you do this many times because i don't know how you had  did i do how did i make so many darn it may i yeah yeah especially the music thing i get all ages and then you know you had this one thing i think well i i come from a you know i'm a musician initially a singer of the original new york hardcore bands of a call antidote i came up in the new york hardcore scene and then i had a career doing music videos that a lot of the early hip hop music videos in new york and then you know went on to do a lot of hard rock and metal videos and after that i had a whole nother a whole another career in my wheel house right now music docs are what i do and what i enjoy doing and what i do well right now so that's that's really you know yeah and i must say that i learned a lot from from doing these two films i'm bringing that into my next project about how how the business is creative wise you know it's like you know you live and you learn and you bring that on to the next project you know so i'm excited about doing the next thing i learned a lot you know i got knocked around doing these and you got to be flexible on your time through because someone could be like i'm ready to get interviewed now and you got to kind of be you know o'clock when there's a whole there's a whole epona flow to these things you know you know you some people you chase around for a year and some people you know already you know right there in that moment you just sort of have to juggle it and you know figure it out and but that's that's part of the you know and also like um um um you know i'm one of the last of the tru independent filmmakers now so i don't have a production infrastructure around me per se i do it's basically a lot of it i do like you know like these these interviews that we see here in this film and also in the a lot of film it's really just me  the person you know me interviewing the person i don't like that i don't like to have a large camera crew you know i own a camera i have a lighting package you know whether it's this guy randall underwood or the metallica guys i like to set the camera up and be in the room with them by myself got it and you know that's that's kind of how i do it and i and i like to feel that that intimacy comes through you know in the films you know so that's how it works for me i think i would be uncomfortable being in a room interviewing somebody with a whole bunch of people i think even if i was doing bigger budget things and i had a whole crew of people i'd probably make them get out of the room because i just comfort zone i just don't i just i just think it's it's sort of awkward to be like ok we're going to do something totally unnatural but i want you to act natural you know i mean so so that's why i feel that when it's just me you know even even us right now it's just you or me in this room yeah and there's a sense of intimacy to  executive produced two cyndi locker records and i worked with the great nina simone executive producer les recordings before she passed away and rob zombie but his previous band white zombie and also worked with john like informally johnny rotten in the sex pistols and science and public image limited to electra some of those names awesome and you also at one point you were working for you know it's a very funny thing i did an r and for those people who don't know what an art means it's a stance for artists to repertoire and it's the kind of the most important part of the record company but at the end or to part with there are no records so  that's what i did for twenty five years and i worked electra i worked at catherine i worked at electra i worked at def and i forget that i work for a moment in time at uni records and then for the last three or four years of my and your  two thousand to two thousand and four i worked at chris blackwell's company called palm pictures which was half independent feature films and half record company out of that right there and that between my first job ever at the ritz from well basically like i said the beginning of the film i used to go out in new york city and i'd see i kept seeing the same person over and over again we were younger then of course and i was like you know who is that guy you know who  that guy literally i mean literally and then eventually i found out you know it was michael audio and to about the time that he signed the talladega and then later on i was managing a band that got out on the mistress european tour  so my guys were out on the torah law who was on the tour any time you sort of caravanning around the world you know with a with a bunch of people you develop you know bunch of crazy people you develop myself included i develop some bonds and some relationship and then we're friends after that and when my ex except all ages x x x the boston hardcore films screened at the boston international film festival back in i think it was two thousand and twelve or thirteen or something at the brattle theater in cambridge adult theater a lot of showed up and i was really touched and flattered by it i didn't invite him i didn't think through vitamins he just showed up and i was really appreciative and then enjoyed the film and then afterwards i was a chromatic show in new york and i bumped into him and i walked out of there you know thinking wow you know michael has a great story and then you know after that we got together and  it was a great ride you know we it was a really it was a great ride and it was a learning experience for both of us and we're very close now i mean as friends it's nice how do you feel about with siemens when us walk out the francisco and then finally in summer of eighty four when they played rose land that was like the definitive moment when i knew i had to have these people in my professional and personal life they wore or they all are wildly charismatic characters all four of them and you know there was never you would never not able to look at them on stage and james hetfield there saying are is a ringleader on stage he knew how to corral an audience and get them in the palm of his hand all the time you know for all of the insanity back in the day and they were being called alcoholic because we were all doing a lot of drinking these were people who were always very focused about their career and even though it was wild and crazy back then that was the beauty of the performances that they were wild and crazy when you bring them to the record label like they did get it they were already known for signing all the metal bands you know are not necessarily when i brought them to electra they had already made an independent record called tell them all and you know the label megaforce took them as far as they could take them and i knew that you know they had to be with a major label so a couple of people including our chairman bob kraft now and our head of radio promotion mike both both came to rose land that evening and the next day they just you know i think they kind of you either knew what you were doing or you didn't and thank god you know my instincts are very good for people for artists and you know the next day i had day after roseland they came into the record company we sat in the  chairman you know what the cigar in the fabulous suit and he just said guys you know michael wants you here we want you here and as they say you know the rest is history i think in the film there's retrospect here a lago assigning of metallica to elect a record major label really opened the door to all these other and the success that they had opened the door for  just mention that megadeth got signed to capitol slayer got signed to do death and there and so everybody found their own version and a lot of those bands are still around which is great and yeah came after which was the grunge movement because in a way it's softened up the record labels to take more of a chance so they realize they can sign artists that would not say that's right that's right so or traditional that's right and in a way that opened it up that saw that sort of tenderized them you know when it came time to side bands like pearl jam and soundgarden like the next sort of a half wave and you know it's true you know ever if you've ever as anyone is called just like now that you know you're not responsible for signing these bands oh no not really i think people you know after all these years they know my history and people are always very grateful and kainga and they will come up to me i want to shake my hand and take a picture and more so is that because of the film and you know our film is now on netflix and because of netflix which it began airing september first it's a global fall and deserve already so i should know and everybody takes away something different you know i think also people like the film because i always tell the truth about things i have no secrets you know secrets of kill you but of me being just an open person about everything in my life you know people take away a side metallica and we saw metallica change my life or you know michael thank you for being open about you know being a gay man in middle and hard rock say you know when people always said you have a hard time yeah i can imagine incorporating yourself into that scene and no i never did because you know the set my sexuality didn't really come into play it was always about loving the us you know man i wish i was around and you know what you guys on the bowery back then well the beauty of all that oh there we go you know people can see the dead boys are youtube and of course you weren't there but at least a lot of that stuff was heavily but it's well you know why it's totally different worlds and things you know the reason i even stopped doing and or twenty four years in around two thousand and four is because at that point in time all the tower records were closing all the virgin megastore so closing this little thing called napster happening there and then what was happening is people were downloading file sharing and basically stealing music and i just kept it wasn't part of that so i just  ended my career got out and i just nowadays i just work independently on special projects that i want to be involved in i mean the computer things it's rough i mean even someone like you know me and through it are movies can be stolen now but you also say that but also in the eight within a year it's tough out there these days people do not buy records like they used to or a lot of people want to hear one song off of a record and you know you tell your friend about it and that friend sends it to another friends and that's another friend and then people don't get paid for a lot cooper record killer ok and that changed my life changed my life but the beauty of that was you know you got the album you opens it up it was a gatefold color photographs and you got to see who the artist w the producer was where they recorded the record and it was just an incredible document to have in your head i'm still like that and now now i still have a turntable and recently i just started buying i know again like a lot of people section and i saw this record of these four guys in makeup and it was the first kiss record and i remember it said what oliver ninety nine cents i looked at it and i said knowing that i had already known about alice cooper i thought this is like an extension of that and i had to buy that record and they also became one of my favorite bands kiss i think i think also though like in this day and age now music doesn't have doesn't carry the severity it wants that when we were growing up it was sort of like what are you rocker he's a disco guy and you know and look i went to public high school in new york you know you get into fist fights with people over this kind of stuff good or or you know we just you know you take that just take that best offer you know you know so that's that sort of stuff you are closely identified with the type of music that that you like and that doesn't really happen in this day and age now music for the most part is really like a soundtrack to a video game and being it's sad that we don't have those those albums and that sort of stuff you know so the artwork isn't is important or scrutinized anymore because people download music they think that we can see that involving all the work you see on live in now it's just a different playing field and for someone like you know for young kids coming up in their reality you know these are the good times and you know so you know in a way we're sort of like dinosaurs and people today you know like a deejay is not a d j that we were remember playing dead you know vinyl deejays now like d j s that you know create music and so it's it's a new world and you know new people come up  while there's still a lot of great stuff going on without a doubt because that someone you can talk about are saying you can literally go to youtube and someone's put the song up so the easier access but also the sounds like back in are like growing up if you said that was a that was a job record store you know that was like you know i was there i worked at a couple record stores growing up you know and yeah it was in this was a it was a it was a place that really i got connected with a lot of music and learned a lot about music there's certain records i remember i worked in a record store like in eighty one eighty two there's certainly like there was let's say six records every three months that are just ingrained and you hate about that well it's like a charade tatted on you know like  and i met them through a good friend of mine daniel ray was a producer who worked with the ramones and iggy and that's just the reality and he said there's a band i think you need to see because you're going to freak out so he brought me to a little like and i responded to that record i loved it and when the show was over and they were sweaty and everything and you know the stage maybe was six inches off the ground i started talking to rob and you know i'm paraphrasing but rob basically said we're going to be famous and i'm going to make movies and you know he was just somebody who looked me directly in the eye and i believed him and i you know like i said i was always a good judge of character and i knew this had a real bunch of charisma about him and so i thought you know what i'm signing these people and was he just making a face behind my dad you know you're a good judge of character or you know he took her out of course yes yes yes so are you know i had a few albums and then bob just went on his own and started the rob zombie hand and started making his films and that's what he does these days a lot also signed misfits that we talked about top rocky's on the misfits that i listen to you know really a great great record produced by daniel wright produced by daniel right that's right yeah you know him everybody oh i loved misfits you know they're my favorite favorite bands and you know there are two shows coming up december twenty eighth in las vegas and thirtieth in los angeles i'm definitely going to both of them and you have great affection for doyle who is incredibly charisma and is one of my favorite people in rock n roll and  i booked her band blue angel we kind of stayed in touch over the years a dear friend of mine lisa pauperis has managed hard this whole entire time at some point in time she gave me a phone call it was in two thousand and nine and she wanted to make a dance record and i was the n r person to make that record with our school bring it to the brink she called me back a year later two thousand and ten and she said i want to make a blues record i know we both never made a blues record will you help me i absolutely and we made an extraordinary blues record with a producer named scott omar and it got nominated for best contemporary blues album at the grammy awards he didn't win but is really great to be nominated because it made us feel like you know what all that hard work paid off really did a great job on that record and you know we had this record guitar player that we love him johnny lang on the record we had all of ice a case this band  to talk to city about this movie she just said yes you know i think that i think in a lot of circumstances this film is some people the opportunity in a certain way to give a little something back to a lot go who was really there for people early on in their career and when we got the ball rolling with kickstarter and a little bit later on when we needed a little help so to speak you know it was really great how many people in stepped up like cindy lauper and rob zombie jesse malin is another one jillian mccain mccain yeah and people you know people really wanted to see this film get done a claire and their manager called me up and said we're not comment and i was like dude we have two nights that are sold out they never showed up they also never sent back a deposit which they have for the deposit from a dead person so i knew p i r would come in to promote their new album flowers of romance i called them up and i said let's do this show they said well we don't have a set together i said well but we'll buy keith i think it was called profit five we program forty minutes worth of music into it  they wanted to do it performance art piece people were there really they wanted to see johnny rotten in action they weren't getting that so but maybe fifteen or eighteen minutes into the performance chair started flying beer bottle started flying and there was a full scale riot it was on the eleven o'clock news that night it was on the seven o'clock news the next morning it was a shot heard around the world because melody maker new musical express sounds the cover of every british publication at some point fast forward i'm already at electra it's probably one nine hundred eighty five and john was looking for a label and i signed public image ltd and we made a record called album it was a generic album that everybody was on from steve vita ginger baker it is a great record also at that point in time he had two other records out of that weren't getting released in the united states called this is what you want to see is what you get and live in tokyo so i picked those records up for north america and canada at some point in time you know the records really weren't selling like the label for they should so i had to release the artist from his record deal but you know a wild thing is that you know we know each other thirty six years we never had a bad word with each other and so also like you so when it came time for people to show up for the film they showed up for the film and he's just extraordinary he has a documentary called me out a next year called the public image is rocky and which is a great guy i don't have and you know what i mean his documentary he's in mind and is in mine  ours and it's his extraordinary he is one of a kind and i think drew really loved interviewing him and i don't know if you talked about this earlier but no no no i live in for people yeah for me personally that was a big highlight in the film you know john lyden johnny rotten is somebody that really resonate in my world personally you know you know coming up in new york city and being a part of the hardcore punk scene you know that was i was really looking forward to it and he really shines in the film and he's just great in it he really lights up the screen and you know he's brilliant he's  songs she could take tom thumbs blues by bob dylan she could take here comes the sun by george harrison twist it turn it make it her own so that you think she wrote a song i was always taken by her voice when i was fourteen years old my aunt jenny used to play her records and she i curled this and i didn't know the words then but i use it now she had almost a sandrock inist voice a very smoky voice or a ski voice or a deep voice and i just thought over the world it's too long of a story to tell but finally i did sign her and we made a beautiful record called a single woman and she had just lost her dad in ninety two i lost my dad and we wanted to make this record and music by rock mckeown j poet from the seventy's you don't necessarily think rodrick you in a program that and frank but it's a beautiful record so we took those records and kind of borrowed little things from it and i made this beautiful record with her like i said called a single woman if we made a chick corea studio in the west coast with producer name andre fisher andre was married to natalie cole at the time he was also the drummer and chaka khan's rufus and  it's just it's a stunning record and it wound up the our last recordings even though she passed ten years after that two thousand and three she never records again so that was like the final documents and i was glad i was only hear one song go listen to feelin good or listen to here comes the sun or listen to a little bob dylan that she does like i shall be released i mean even simone was one of a kind she's very special there will never be anybody like her and it was about a very special human being so if we ended on that wonderful thank you for having absolutely but i will let you to start where drew focus on this camera let everybody know and earplugs or where they could see your films es and yeah i don't know if you're looking for the new york hardcore chronicle some check out w w w the new york hardcore chronicle film dot com me personally w w w stone films and why si dot com  you could see our film who the f is that guy netflix amazon and i tunes so check it out if you haven't checked it out yet what are you waiting for work you know you'll laugh your cry i lived face after eleven o'clock it was all male university women imported for the weekends it was it was pretty quiet you don't have many tourists coming through and you were at newman hall or when you know you were a building which was built for to our specifications and read it to us by the university that was one of the ties we had a university was renting a building on the eastern edge of the campus and paying our rent by means of time on a computer which was one of the most advanced computers at the time now it looks like a joke or at the time it was used by the university that had a professor in the shorts trial who's doing star evolution and he was time on a computer the university director he came from the national security agency and he had many ideas about how research organization should be run and he was through i d a's easy management of us at the time he was able to incorporate his ideas we had no ranks on the staff papers that were written were authors were listed in every every two weeks we didn't have the time clock anything the sort we were also encouraged to do our own research because  talent that we was recruited was that of mathematicians and for a mathematician to maintain his professional competence he's got to do mathematics so we were encouraged to do mathematics in addition to working on problems which are very difficult but but fascinating problem from the kind of paradise in a way to playground it was more the same yeah some people might refer to it as a 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