good evening thank you for coming my name is dr richard curtis i'm a college philosophy instructor with expertise in religion and theology i also teach logic and critical thinking i've been involved with the issue of nine eleven for eight years now and i've had the honor of introducing a number of speakers who have come to the seattle area over the years including our special guest i'm here tonight to introduce our host for the world premiere of nine eleven explosive evidence experts speak out the final edition richard gage a i a is the founder and c e o of architects and engineers for nine eleven truth and the producer and director of this powerful documentary mr gage is a san francisco bay area architect and a member of the american institute of architects he's been an architect for over twenty three years and has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire proof to steel framed buildings the most recent was a four hundred million dollar mixed use urban project with one point two million square feet of retail a parking structure and thirty two thousand square feet of mid rise office space which added up to a total of about twelve hundred tons of steel framing richard became interested in researching the destruction of the world trade center high rises in two thousand and six after hearing the startling conclusions of the reluctant nine eleven researcher david ray griffin who was one of my teachers when i was doing my ph d since founding architects and engineers from eleven truth gage has presented nine eleven blueprints for truth a video all one hundred over one hundred fifty times all over the world and has appeared over one hundred sixty times on various radio and t v programs he's a tireless advocate for an honest and complete investigation into the crimes of nine eleven now to introduce  very important documentary expert speak out richard gage thank you so much everybody welcome to the world premier nine eleven explosive evidence experts speak out this is the final edition back in september of twenty eleven we premiered the pre release of this powerful documentary we worked very hard over the last six months to add dozens of new videos hundreds of new photographs and diagrams it is a completely different experience we have completely reworked the front in your  introduction we've reworked the end of the movie and i think you'll find it for those of you who did get a chance to see the earlier version you'll find it quite quite powerful i think in this milestone documentary more than forty experts in the fields of architecture fire protection engineering structural engineering chemistry physics and other fields including controlled demolition highlight the irrefutable evidence that troubled them and should trouble you as well and of course this is all about the terrible destruction of the world trade center twin towers and the lesser known building seven the forty seven story skyscraper that was destroyed also  nine eleven in the afternoon we also spoke with experts in the human mind who will help us to understand the mental and emotional dynamics that for so many of us become obstacles to our rational evaluation of this evidence before we get started tonight i want to find out where we are in the room relative to our understanding about nine eleven and destruction of the towers so many of us pretty much believe the official story as was told to us the jet planes hit the towers the large explosion of jet fuel weakening of the structural steel as a result of the ensuing fires and  down to the ground some of us are unsure about what happened heard a few things we're here to check it out some of us that may already believe that we have the evidence of controlled demolition that that's your your understanding so let's find out where we are in the room first of all the official story no reason to believe otherwise what we've been told how many of us pretty much agree with the official story version of events just one  i just explain it the planes hit the towers large explosion of jet fuel fire gravitational collapse all the way down to the ground how many of us are pretty much there real high i gotta gotta count one two three and four anymore how many of us are pretty much pretty relatively unsure you heard a few things you're here to check out the rest you're on sure one two three four five six seven eight nine nine and so how many of us already agree with the evidence for controlled demolition a lot of the rest of you ok so why don't you guys bring your friends oh you don't have any more friends i know the feeling and i know the feeling so let's let's see if there's any shift at the end of the film many people being unaware of this evidence just you know that you you're just making may not may not have enough information to make an informed decision how many of us have heard have not heard about the third skyscraper building seven or hardly know anything about world trade center seven go like this so i can count you one two three four five and so this is an extraordinary story in and of itself i mean you're just going to be shocked when you see this information how many architects are there tonight in the room architects any idea any engineers there's always one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve eleven and how many normal people i'm glad you're here hey i got one for you how many firefighters there erica lawyers here look for him in the film consultants and volunteers who have put this film together in an effort that started over two and a half years ago with our co director marty mcgee for that for the tenth anniversary i told you about the pre release and i want you to also know how grateful we are to the many team members many of which some of which are here in the room tonight who have spent thousands of hours and dollars helping us to choose only the most accurate and clear statements of the evidence the technical experts and the psychologists it is raining here tonight this is rena in the back i want you all to see her smiling pretty  and realize that this bill would not be out at all if it weren't for this wonderful woman who helped fund this project from her own savings and she is not a millionaire none of us on this project are but collectively we've been able to pool our resources and time talent and treasure and by god's grace we have been able to  this film together and i want your feedback at the end will have a question and answer and a discussion about the concepts raised the troubling implications of these well of the evidence that you'll see tonight and we're especially grateful to the nine eleven family members who encouraged us to interview them and get their message out they are calling for a new investigation  are supporting them and they are supporting us the nine eleven member family members started the nine eleven truth movement i especially want to thank our chief video editor frances but talia who spent thousands of great great debt to all of us on the team and in the nine eleven truth movement our film in fact begins with a family member you'll hear jane policy know who lost her husband in the twin towers she notes that contrary to the impression that you might get from the media many of the families have been demanding an independent investigation she's joined by ellen mariani who lost her husband neil and who states from phatic lee we have to have a new investigation who lost a son bobby in the lobby of the south tower admonishes admonishes in the film that there is some deep deep explaining to do in either areas and some very qualified professionals want explanations to unanswered questions as well including highrise architect robert mccoy who states right up front in the movie that he doesn't want to deal with the conspiracy theories let's just find out what happened to those buildings as many of you have already figured out the term conspiracy theory is a loaded term designed to get you to stop thinking about what we are saying to stop thinking about the evidence that you'll see tonight and to get you instead to start thinking about what's wrong with us personally our detractors would not be resorting to such tactics if they had good answers to the questions and and the evidence that you're going to be seeing tonight we always welcome sincere skeptics but we admonish you don't bite the finger look where it's pointing we will have a chance to talk after the film is a mention and will give you an opportunity to support our valuable work in a significant way with your time your talent and your treasure as well so stand by for details after the film and i hope you enjoy th nobody ever stopped to have a scientific investigation a scientific investigation  tribute lights in the new york skyline an annual memorial to the lives lost on nine eleven yet there's still more light that needs to shine revealing truths that their family members deserve to know september eleventh two thousand and one a day that changed history for planes went silent and off course through those planes crashed into the world trade center  several columns were severed and the jet fuel ignited fires that spread over several floors about an hour later millions watched in shock as both towers were suddenly and rapidly destroyed killing almost three thousand people for whom truth and justice may have ye served i'm richard gage a licensed architect over twenty years and member of the american institute of architects and founder of architects and engineers for nine eleven truth non person a profit organization of well over a thousand technical and building professionals according to official government reports the fires weakened the structural steel framing of both twin towers leading to a sudden progressive and total collapse unknown to most people a furred steel frame highrise world trade center seven was also destroyed critical questions have been raised by more than fifteen hundred architects and engineers about the official explanations for the destruction of all three of these buildings along with more than ten thousand other concerned individuals these professionals collectively comprising more than twenty five thousand years of experience have signed our petition they're calling for a new investigation into the destruction of these three world trade center high rises this call is based on evidence that reveals of very different destruction scenario than reported by government engineers this includes abundant scientific forensic data and eyewitness testimony that was omitted from the official reports you'll be seeing this evidence and hearing from dozens of these technical experts including many who are among the top in their respective fields listen to the president provide his account of the pervasive political abuse of science and we have watched as scientific integrity has been undermined and scientific research politicized in an effort to advance pre determined ideological agendas i claim they're not doing science at all they're doing propaganda word in his affirmation to the american people during his inauguration how do we accomplish this we've done our best to fulfill the president's vision by using this scientific method examining the evidence from the world trade center and developing unbiased conclusions from unbiased experts in their fields as coherent sets of scientific facts are brought into focus by the experts the data and the witnesses in this film you'll come to a much greater understanding of the events of nine eleven and will be in a position to draw your own informed conclusion of course the ones still most affected by the events of that tragic day are the family members of the victims lost on nine eleven several have asked to appear in this documentary although our focus will be primarily technical we are deeply moved and honored to give them the opportunity to speak directly to you now let's hear from the eighty nine eleven truth professional petition signers who will share with you what conclusions they came to among these experts are highrise architects and engineers in the fields of structural design materials science chemistry fire protection metallurgy as well as physicists explosives experts and demolition technicians if we believe that fire has brought down the world trade center buildings on nine eleven this is extremely troubling for those of us in the design professions architects and engineers even physicists buildings just don't behave like that there was no hesitation there was no hesitation when it was to hit story after story that tops of the buildings were basically disintegrated the fact that it was all reduced to rubble  powder just did not make sense of all there was a total collapse and there's very few things that could explain that our whole society is being led to believe that these fundamental laws of physics hard science don't apply anymore and that's i think that should frighten all but also psychologists therapists and counselors along with theologians david ray griffin who have a deep understanding of the personal issues associated with nine eleven well explain why it is so difficult for us to come to terms with the reality of these events and learn how we can help ourselves and others with this difficult yet vital responsibility we were confident through where we felt secure and not offended security collapse so the question becomes why why is it that people have so much trouble hearing this information when your beliefs are challenged fear and anxiety are created don't mess with me don't mess with my home don't mess with my comfort with how things how things are i believe that to be the kind of country that we think we are we have to face some of the things that are not as we think they are we need the truth in order to he the new world trade center building seven looms above the site of its original building seven was a forty seven story high rise not hit by an airplane yet it was the third modern steel frame fires if you will that brought this building down since the mid sixty's i've tried to follow highrise fires because there are something we worry a lot about as we design these buildings and i'm not aware of any high rise building that have come down as a result of fires i'm steve barish founder and president of bearish architects and associates inc a thirty three year old architecture planning in engineering for one of the things that really interested me is how quickly the tower seven fell it fell within seven seconds approximately from top to bottom this building was built in the mid eighty's and met all the codes at the time i first became aware of the problems with the attention where the raps failure of the connections in order for the building to come down at the rate that it did i've been involved in many large projects including overseeing several high rise buildings ranging in size from fourteen stories to forty for the course of twenty years i'm mainly called in to help with very large difficult projects when i watched building seven collapse it basically left no doubt in my mind something was wrong  building seven had not been hit by a plane the coup de gras for me was when i found out that building seven had collapsed later that day and when i saw building seven come down to me the fact that it looks like a perfect controlled demolition of an intact building i mean that's what i call a smoking gun was the structural steel from world trade center seven preserved documented analyzed according to standard procedures for investigating engineering failures hailing the collapse study as an assessment rather than an investigation has allowed valuable evidence in the form of the towers structural steel to be destroyed it is the the all that holds the primary key to understanding the chronology of the events resulting in the collapse when did you become aware that the steel from the world trade center was being sold off i think it was on the order of a week or so before we arrived on site on october the fifth i believe they were in other words the city was selling or was disposing of material within two weeks of the actual event i believe i was the first one to find out that the steel is being recycled new york times reporter jim glass told me two weeks after the collapse  and i tried to contact city and also new york times reporters tried to make sure we can have access to the to do research it was not happening i just think it's so much that that has been lost in these last six months that we can never go back and retrieve and that's it's only unfortunate it's borderline criminal four hundred truckloads per day of material were taken away from the world trade center site and sent to china for recycling there were laws violated in the destruction of that evidence and for the american society of civil engineers to ignore those events is extremely disturbing and is a violation in my opinion the professional code of ethics it was contrary to way all investigations are done if an airplane crashes they see over off the entire area and nobody touches anything they move it to secure a location and reconstructing aircraft normally when you have a structural failure you carefully go through the debris field looking at each item photographing every team has collapsed  every column where it is on the ground and you pick them up very carefully and you look at each element we were able to do that in the case of our seven world trade center seven would have been the first steel framed high rise building in history seven wasn't even mentioned this is not science so the claim is that it's something else it's preconceived trying to prove preconceived idea asked them well did you look and they said no we did not look for explosives or residues of explosives nist never did a proper evaluation of the collapse and the debris world trade center seven i would have expected they would have tested for explosives also because of the nature of the collapse and the unprecedented nature of steel framed high rise building collapsing in such a fashion my practice has included among other things design and testing structures that were designed to withstand blasts specifically for instance t facilities for the minuteman missile system where the american society of civil engineers was brought into this investigation early on they did a very superficial investigation of the site they shoot a report without any significant forensic examination neither mr fema followed standard protocol for fire and explosion investigations or just firing vesting this is for that matter national fire protection association god number nine twenty one calls for saving the evidence and being prepared to justify why you would it also calls for testing for accelerants and explosives when the high order damage is involved and this did not do this is the equivalent of the sound to a gunshot blast there were no witness reports of such a loud noise there were all kinds of fire fighters and civilians that were reporting explosions you heard explosions like this like a distinction it's not like when the compression like the floors that were dropping collapsing this was like you felt a rumble on the ground like almost like you want to grab on to something just the fact that there were explosions means they need to be investigated terrorist used explosives in ninety three we had witnesses to explosions we have already recording of explosions we have overwhelming evidence that there were some explosive events of the manual gets into thermite and if it says if you have melted steel or concrete which we had on nine eleven and there's videos of it people can see it we should test for it says when you have melted steel or concrete you test for thermite so the fact that they're not testing for it is  crazy we have three thousand you know americans murdered and we had the first three high rise and still collapses we have all these reports of explosions we have a history of terrorists using explosives it's absolutely ridiculous that the i mean there's no excuse for it it's criminal in my opinion i absolutely criminal that they refused to follow the national standards and the national standards say that they should be testing that for explosives the national standards are very clear we have preservation of evidence we have spoil ation of evidence there's all kinds of and basically standards that you don't destroy evidence we don't have the real story on what happened because there wasn't a proper investigation done as reported by the new york times engineers were baffled by the collapse of building seven since no steel framed high rise has ever completely collapsed due to fire how are we to understand this mysterious event high rise buildings simply do not collapse due to fire there has never been until nine eleven an experience for a high rise building that was steel frame completely collapsed there have been fires burn longer and similar structures without any collapse in this test done by british steel hundred five a large amount of typical office furniture was burned to see what would happen to the heavy steel beams that supported the ceiling it's not that it melts in a fire in fact the fires of normal fires are not hot enough to melt steel even if you were for example to use an unusual fuel like kerosene you cannot achieve temperatures hot enough to melt steel but what happens is it starts to lose its str and as it loses its strength it starts to sag this was the largest test of its kind ever conducted it showed how unprotected steel can be distorted even by a normal office fire but as is typical in steel buildings the structural beams only slowly and progressively warped and sag there was no chance of a sudden collapse in my previous career as a firefighter normally you'd never be afraid to go into a type one building because they're not combustible and you would just charge at it and put the fire out never in my training were we ever taught that these type of buildings could just collapse in on so there's definitely much more going on they world trade center seven building reminds me of the meridian bank building and in some ways in philadelphia the meridian bank building is a thirty eight story skyscraper that burned for eighteen hours in one thousand nine hundred ninety one suffered extensive damage from the fire but did not collapse we've never had a steel framed skyscraper collapse in the united states or internationally so there's no precedent as nist tells us that this collapse mechanism starting with thermal expansion that worked its way up toward an outward through the building in a matter of seconds there's not enough time for the building to collapse the way that nest tells us  collapsed this claims the fires were very large and very hot and long lasting when in reality observation which has been researched by many people shows these fires that were not last very long they were not in the locations were missed claims they were given time so i'm a fellow of the american institute of architects for the forty plus years that i've been practicing architecture i've designed a variety of buildings from small houses to high rise office buildings some of the high rises that i've worked on are one shell into shell here in houston i was a project manager for a twenty two story office building in akron ohio later in the day when the world trade cent seven collapsed they had already showed us pictures of a few fires in that building and i mean they weren't even raging and how could that cause a building to collapse as if it were imploded couldn't ha lead investigator shyam sunder of the national institute for standards and technology nist world trade center seven collapsed at freefall acceleration for more than one hundred feet fast the building can go for over one hundred feet which and the only way you can get that out is when there is zero resistance and so what we're looking out is it building just coming straight down falling right through itself was zero resistance buildings don't have zero resistance which is why you feel comfortable walking into a building this building had forty thousand tons of structural steel and its structural system and and put a dot on each frame to follow the motion of things and i realize that it's actually coming down and freefall pretty much dead on the acceleration of gravity well nest in their final draft was saying that the building came down it was forty percent longer than freefall time how can such a publicly visible easily measurable quantity be service on a free for all  time would be an object that has no structural components below it there was no structural resistance that was provided in this particular case he was making our case for us you can't have free fall when there are support in the final report they modified it and they actually admitted there was a period of freefall involved this is telling us that the building below it ceased to exist for the first few seconds of the collapse of the building well things in physics just don't cease to exist and cease to resist the forces that are on them the building didn't disappear so the building can fall for a hundred feet at freefall speed that's impossible that's a violation  of the fundamental law of physics that says that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction the floors fall they tend to fall and are braced by the floor directly beneath it and there is some delay their connections are designed with a safety factor of one point five to three times the failure load for the member this is sure is that the member will always fail first first and last to move and then a plastic for the members to be released and for the structure to descend at almost free fall rate to fail at the rate that they did progressively across the building even if for ward to collapse it still wouldn't be able to collapse all of the connections simultaneously at the rate that it did without the secondary explosion we might anticipate that in an evenly damaged building collapse of building seven show a fairly symmetrical how do we make sense of this the exterior of the building comes down fully symmetrically and i one time both sides of the building come down completely this is fully indicative of full structural support being removed for at least six stories that could not happen by fire if the buildings had come down by fire we would have seen a more natural progression of collapse and clearly more present the symmetry is a smoking gun it cannot happen that when you have asymmetric damage you will get a perfectly symmetrical collapse the exterior columns on the outside on the outside as well as on the inside at the i worked for a controlled demolition of corporate at c d i the top rated explosive demolition firm in the world as an explosives loader my job was to place explosives in the buildings to prepare them for demolition i was licensed while in new york by the new york fire department to handle explosives and i worked on major projects such as seattle kingdom the show you ever stadium philadelphia naval hospital and the and key span gas holders in new york what i saw it was a classic implosion the center of the core the penthouse area starts to move first and then the building falls along with it that's another indicator that this this report is very suspect finished the outside walls from the lower f power went on top of the other right in the middle of the building just like a house of cards if it were coming down as a structural engineer i don't believe that the failure of one call it would normally bring down an entire building in the way we saw world trade center seven come down because of redundancy because of all the other columns in the building that were not affected according to nest the failure occurred at column seventy nine on level twelve this means basically they're talking about a single column near collapse or fairly or that resulted in a total collapse of the building that just does not make any sense this provided computer animations in support of their fire collapse theory but what do independent engineers say about these animations when you observe the footage of how the building failed and when you look at the the the animation of the failure and compare that to what you actually observe in reality i think they disprove their own theories it is impossible for for it to fail the way they said the exterior of the nist world trade center seven computer model what's they put together to try to explain your theory so those large very large defamations which are not exert of in the video of the actual event and they don't attempt to explain this in the report what we're seeing is what would had to be some agent that was destroying the connections and building number seven f one hundred connections for second and the only thing that i could see that would be capable of doing this would be explosive devices at the connections and this is why i think that there has to be a new investigation to find out the real physical causes for these all these members to act in an atypical fashion the freedom of information act request and this registered structural engineer for tactile laces an analysis substantiating the walk all failures of the horizontal girders from their seats a column seventy nine eighty one was denied by this but the claim that releasing this data might jeopardize public safety how could that possibly jeopardize public safety to tell people in the industry engineers who are responsible for designing these buildings h science is never secret when it's done right science is a way of finding out that is self correcting and while as many people science isn't science unless it's published unless it's openly published and made available for  the explanations from fema and from nist don't add up but there is enormous circumstantial evidence circumstantial and actually physical evidence as well that would lead us to a different conclusion and the conclusion is controlled demolition a building cannot do freefall with huge structural steel structural system in place to support it without it being blown up that's the only way it could could come down  because that's a classic case of controlled demolition this is the original site of the world trade center twin towers construction is now underway where dramatic new facilities are being erected just ten years ago the planes hit the towers cutting through exteriors and interior supporting structural steel columns the fuel from the planes ignited office fires across several floors according to the official reports the structural steel frame was weakened and failed causing a total progressive collapse of each tower does the official explanation make sense was there a comprehensive investigation that examined all of the evidence and i walked into the office and the first words that i heard was i planes just run into the world trade center and my initial thought was well that's ok it's built to withstand a seven o seven it did not seem possible that they used these towers that were designed to withstand the impact of a seven o seven could possibly collapse in such a short order of time from the time that they were hit there's no way the building was designed to five times the load above them and the core columns can handle three times a lot about them i remember walking up to a window and a young man turned to me with tears coming down his face and he said will they fall down and i said no never has a steel structure building in the history of steel structured buildings ever fallen down for the reasons of fire the majority of the jet fuel was burnt up instantly in the big fireball and it was gone the fires that were left were office furnishings the carpet things like that a lot of things in these kind of buildings have to be fire resistant by nature it's required by code so there really isn't a whole lot of fuel in there to begin with the media portrayed the these fires as being extremely hard to fire is were not that hard and world trade center and wanting to see if you look at the nist so were oxygen starved and it was incomplete combustion and so it was a low temperature fire i looked up in the manual the burning temperature of jet fuel and found that under the conditions that existed at the world trade center on nine eleven that jet fuel had been burning at about seven hundred fifty degrees fahrenheit i also notice that the official explanation of what happened there was that the heat from the fire supposedly softened the steel and thereby brought the buildings down if you have a flame at seven hundred  fifty degrees you can hold that flame under a steel beam for ever and you'll never reach a high enough temperature to bend steel let alone melt it so immediately i knew at that point that the steel is required by building in designing clothes to prevent catastrophic failure and loss of public life everybody seeing the building collapses on line eleven and it was shocking how fast the buildings collapsed this doesn't happen with structural steel buildings and never has and never will again we assume that fires could destroy a building why people select steel buildings because they would destroy slowly the basic philosophy of the building codes for the last seventy to eighty years has been to ensure the failure of the members to provide for the public safety under this philosophy members that are open loaded well the form  and give people plenty of time and safety in getting out of the building i would not have expected the whole building to just give in at once and i thought it rather that they fell almost perfectly  in very similar ways it seemed that lightning would strike twice and it certainly would stay in the damage so it would not drop down through eighty thousand ton of insulated and damage trucks will steal and do it in twelve seconds and this claim that the upper section of each of the towers cross the lower section however when you watch when the zero closely in the case of world trade center one you'll see that the upper section and the center weights itself it appears to be a controlled demolition of its own of the upper section the top section pushing on the bottom section it's going to be equal forces as it goes both sections are going to be demolished at the same rate so by the time you've crushed fifteen stories below the top fifteen stories are also going to be crushed by others  demolitions done in france would choose what we call the burn odds stacked technique where they take out a couple fours worth the columns with hydraulics they take the columns out and they let the building that perception building drop to full force and when if impacts the lower section there's a very definitive observable jolt deceleration and the loss of the loss you're looking for a jolt that this thing if it actually comes down and hits you should be able to see the point at which they actually impact because it would actually slow down the motion of the falling block it never slows down excel or rates the entire time and that was what was extremely significant i was very familiar with the twin towers elevator shift and i actually rode up a noun elevator shaft on a top of a car calling twelve hundred feet a minute and you could imagine the experience four seven the only way that i can see that the tallies could have collapsed is that the in period columns compromised it wouldn't be a problem once you gain access to the elevator shaft then a team of loading experts would have access to all the core columns and beams the rest could be accomplished at that point by just the right kind of explosives for the job at ha measurements have indicated that tower one collapsed in about eleven seconds and power to collapse in about nine seconds this is essentially the rate at which freefall would happen a from what i what i understand the buildings actually exonerated as they came down meaning they were not getting resistance from these massive columns in the center of the core of this building core this building was very heavy your huge columns huge block accelerates straight down earth is picking up speed downward continually it doesn't slow down it just continues to spin the twin towers couldn't could not have come straight down through the thousands of tons of structural steel through the greatest resistance there columns of steel around the exterior of the building and within the core all of which are there to prevent  the the thing from falling down in so if even if something falls on it it's not going to mediately just go up up up up up like that floor by floor it's going to if it's going to collapse it's going to tough to take some time to weekend the structure below it this structure is capable of holding three to five times the weight and here it is falling through it with the resistance of only one third of its weight roughly ninety percent of the resistance has been removed and what's happening is the top section is not crushing down the lower section like a pile driver which is the picture of the miss basically is painting it's it's actually falling into material already been pulverized that's offering very little resistance it's just coming down through prepared for eyes material the buildings fall at a speed which can only occur if their structure has been removed the vertical structure structural connections not only had to fail nearly simultaneously but in what you