you're here with us on the show and i have doug here on the show here as well i'm very happy i'm with me too and you're so happy that you're like jumping up and and that's part of what we're talking about this week because i happened to see something  days ago and it was something that just sort of blew my mind and the what i saw doug was in a theatrical event and you were dancing and it occurred to me you know i'm not even sure i've ever seen doug dance doug doesn't really dance you know what i does you mother dancing did you go to dances as a not terrified me really yeah i don't know how to dance yeah so i guess i would go drew like dances in junior high or high school or something i got drunk sure i just sat by the wall but yeah i don't know anything  oh ok so you were just kind of you're just kind of shuffle slightly around the room and you talk to each other but you're not really dancing because i don't know how to dance it's not a comfortable thing for you know you know partly because i recognize that people who enjoy dancing they have something i don't which is they have this impulse when they hear music to move i do not have that you don't have that no i never had that too and so when i hear music i get more still and i listen and so i don't even get this idea of moving to music it doesn't even occur to me that that would be something people would want to do because i don't feel it and so then when you try to get me to dance i don't know what i'm trying to do because i don't feel like moving so you're like you have it in your head that people who you've seen dancing they move their talk about this with a date they say oh i just can't keep still i have today i have to move i have to and it's like i know that's missing for me that's not something i feel used to play in a dance band when you used to travel up and north you know i didn't do the dancing oh ok well you know music to dance in your hands to i'm a midwest man from the midwest clan i wanna go bam thank you ma'am i need to go out and shake my foodie but those new york clubs are much too snooty as midwest and fall in line with our dancin rules we've got dumb moves even your dog proves we'll show you how to find their groove we know you do is just want to dance but haven't seemed to have the chance and lessons are an ext time midwest baby i'm no prude whatever floats your boat well it's good for you but the new york brings me dismay i'm on the right track baby because i'm bored that way those farmers daughters hi everybody we're back on the tom and doug show we're talking about dance and if you remember when we had peter shipley on the show yeah and we asked him why did p d q bach never write any disco music and he said well because disco music is all about movement and dancing and p d q bach couldn't dance and i understood that some music is designed specifically to do that but still even that music i don't feel like oh i want to move and so i've never practiced it so i know i just look awkward and i feel awkward and i don't actually enjoy the moving to the music because they would rather just listen to me so even if you're in a room by yourself and you there's no chance of awkwardness from going to pay attention to music i get more stilled because i on the other hand like to dance yes you do yeah so what is it your feeling that when you're dancing why are you dancing i don't know that just feels like all i got to do this this is so hi doug how you doing i'm ok i'm sitting here still i was listening to that song and just listening to it yeah whereas you seem to want to move like to prove to the music and that's part of the great things about playing accordion is that in order to play accordion correctly you have to dance if you don't dance when you're playing accordion it's not going to sound right the music will sound stilted and it will sound mechanical if you want it to sound like music you have to be moving your whole body in rhythm to what you're playing  that's interesting that it makes some sense when you're hearing how it sounds it's an instrument that is played by movement the chord is different because it it's one of the only instruments that breeds going the whole body movement yeah and the bellows is functions sort of like lungs so you have to sort of go back and forth all the time you can't go in the same direction all the time to play the accordion so a couple of years ago i got asked to be part of a dance a vent and they needed an accordion player to stand around while they were doing this dance event w dance event mean base it was a charity to raise money for some it was like a dinner and at the charity there was it there were going to be dancers and just on garden now there was like while people were standing around drinking wine there was going to be dancers in the gard just sort of be cool and then they needed music so they say maybe there's an accordion play and they said yeah i do it accordion player so that somebody how my name got put in when it was kind of a wash out too many bugs nobody really wanted to see the dancers but the woman to put that together said hey i'm doing a film and i need an accordion player in this film this film was all about ostriches and all the people were playing the part of ostriches who live on this beautiful garden and then the story of the film is a new ostrich gets introduced to the pack and then what happens as a result of that and i'm the accordion player who runs around and plays accordion for the ostriches to dance to as one does yeah ok so then like a year and a half later they're doing and other event and they said hey we need dancers and i said i'll be a dancer does though some part of me that always want to be a dancer but you know so in this kind of thing is it you're just doing your job know your own dance  thing partner or you're working in a troop where you all have to be doing the same thing at the same time i suspect it'll be a troop where he have to do the same thing or some still similar thing in the same time but it has been written yet and i'm sort of trusting that the woman who ever go with us to like the contra dancing on the line dance yeah a couple times and though that was much more fun than i expected because it's a similar thing with those rules and once you learn the rules then you can find freedom within those rules  i could see myself doing that but i've never taken enough lessons to actually be able to learn the rules and the thing that weirds me out so as as a musician i know what beat the music is going but often the dance step is not to the same bea right you know you're here you're listening to or something in four four but the dance you know the main movements are in three and that just confuses the hell out of me and so i'm not clearly not good at it but i think you know if there was  type of dance i would be really interested in would be these really structured ones and you put your left foot and you put your foot it just take it all about and when you shake it all about that's when i'll do my personal flair ok ok so it's freedom within form whereas i think what you're talking about is this formless freedom where people feel like they should move and they just something they're expressing something with their movement i don't get that well i guess it's like when you play guitar you know you have a set of solos that you kind of are used to playing and you you play that and then maybe in a song you accidently do something new that you haven't done before dancing is of like that so when you're dancing i kind of know what i'm going to do oh i'm doing this movie or i'm doing that movie even if i'm changing it up every twenty seconds or something i'm doing this one and i'm doing that one so i'm sort of self imposing some sort of r one move yeah so so you have you be stuck on that but yes i still had to dance on stage so i did and now back to the tom and doug show hi doug now we have proof that you have danced and we're going to play that right now this is a performance i'm singing in someone else's song but in a kind of an elvis like character so there's a point at which i'm supposed to dance so i did elvis like dances baby let's go i got th that's pretty smooth dance and very good and i felt stupid doing it but i think that's kind of the point yeah that's what we were talking about dance and here's how much when you're dancing do you actually feel stupid because i feel stupid one hundred percent usually when i dance as i get older it's less and less it's all competence i tend to be taller than most people so just being out on a dance floor means that people going to see me is no place to hide in that sense is so i have to be comfortable with the idea that people are going to see me so and that took a long time for me to sort of feel comfortable on a dance floor so as an artist part of your art is trying to express something that's inside that's true when you're dancing is that what you were oh yeah getting out of it for lack of a better way you're expressing something that you don't have the words for it's very zen of you actually this and it's usually unique for me because i'm almost always doing something that nobody else or no one ever has your same perspective you know or you can look at the same thing you used to people still see different things well in many many people on the dance floor feeling what you describe many people are feeling it secure in their feeling uncomfortable and and that sort of works its way into the somehow but for me it's also something else well what is that something else usually it's an expression of self it's an expression of some joy and it comes better you know if you are surrounded by people who all seem to be enjoying themselves and their that means they're expressing this idea that they're enjoying themselves too and then that means oh we're all feel comfortable and then it means you can relax more and do more stuff i've never experienced that well it's just like being in a band is just like being in a band when all the sudden everybody feels relaxed and everybody's enjoying themselves and everybody's hitting the notes the right way and the song is going in a way that we didn't expect it to go before but it's good in ok i've experienced that's exactly that same way like when you're a band and somebody says i do not want to be in this band that's going to be reflected in how they play but it's always better when you are surrounded by people who are having fun any rebroadcast retransmission of any part of this show without the expressed written permission is probably not worth doing higher body we've been talking about dancin so if you listeners like to dance