oh right represented substantial compliance the mayor of the city of seattle has not been served directly ok aaron city seattle is i had anything to say about this case he would have nothing to do about this case all of the mayor of the city of seattle for the last twenty one years have run from the implications of this controversy so you would have gone to mayor ed perry's plan that they would have said if you're married you want to become deeply involved in this pursue this course of action but ultimately withdrew the case saying that he was kind of a fantasy of mine to think that the case would prevail to the extent that the police part would actually actually that often in these cases there has to be a public policy exception there's an overriding public policy issue here as to whether the seattle police department the king county medical examiner of the last of several days people are very interested to know whether the seattle police department homicide squad somehow got into the business of sanctioning homicide in the case of the murder of this say that they would have to spend tens of thousands hundreds of dollars to hire an expert on the level of necessary in order to bring their public records request to fruition this ferry is the after twenty one year we all know that these materials have been held by the seattle police department for twenty years solid that they were developed from i am the serious process  really want to start the clock again happy revile this case or perhaps this will be taken up by someone else with less expertise in this matter will fail to get to the heart of the factual  that this came down and lead to technicalities of the law basic principle in all of the proceedings is to move things along and not grind them to walk halt once they've well because you know it's historic one photograph of her cobain's head in an intact form with his face and a relatively undamaged form is going to demonstrate to people that kurt cobain did not die of  shock because and therefore the death investigations essentially a fraud why the judge would want to draw on technicalities to hope that progress is beyond me what w know well i didn't get to go into my pain soliloquy here but the most important thing in seattle washington or moscow now or pakistan or anywhere else is that murder squad the homicide squad of any jurisdiction cannot be allowed to go into the business of sanctioning murder and it quite clear that with half a billion dollars of billion dollars up for that corruption could occur where people in show business would have the opportunity to perhaps pay a bribe to the king county medical examiner or the seattle police department homicide squad i would that happen if anybody know the answer dr nicholas hirshhorn the late dr nicholas hard sure was some sort of an associate or friend of courtney love for years prior to the death of her husband he is the individual from the medical examiner's office who signed  death certificate how is it that a friend of courtney love sue knew her for years and being the person who signs the death certificate it's a troubling coincidence or troubling and occasion of none zero does not match cobain's handwriting in that regard at all and the most startling of all is of course that program did not die of shock that shotgun wound is the most distinctive of all  round patterns in all of ballistics and everything that i've understood to date for the last twenty one years indicates that not a drop of blood is seen in any of the photographic evidence that's ever been published and certain individuals who have seen the body have told me no could not have died of a shot to that as we've seen from the press coverage that occurred so far the whole world is interested in this kids and they're interested because cobain is achieve this iconic status as you know one of the top rockers of all time and i would like to think that many people are interested in the case because they see kobe has being a very decent and the very creative sort of person and the idea that he was knocked off by a scandalous spouse in this case who sometimes behaves as if she knows that everyone suspects or murder is a very very very sad turn of events and should have been allowed to live his life in full and we all would have been much enrich by his presence in american life as a public figure but that did not happen and so you know it was cobain murdered for his money probably he murdered four other reasons possibly but with half a billion dollars he may know that to his estate is valued at four hundred fifty million dollars now somehow it was valued at only four hundred fifty thousand at the time of his death for you a big fan i just never answer that question because you know you hang the word fan on me and fan a short for fanatic and then all of a sudden i'm some fanatic oh perfect sense by let me just answer it  you're new to town danielle wise as you pointed out so i began this program of mine first airing of it was five days after the body was discovered and actually one of the criticisms that i face most often is why doesn't he do all the shows about kurt cobain why does he take on other police scandals other police shooting this and so i have examined seattle politics and policing in depth for twenty one years that's a part of the program so i have looked at you know right now with these body camps where the public is going to see a never ending series of troubling shooting some of the one that occurred yesterday where they were the video was released yesterday i actually the first body cam homicide that we've ever seen and because of the photographic evidence in that case that officer is now on charge as where it's a ruse no photographic evidence would have been just dismisse simply a justified shooting like ninety nine percent of all the cases in king county you find out as it ends at corruption around the same time well it depends on what you mean by corruption corruption can be people being paid off to do something they shouldn't do maybe criminal and other cases well if you're asking me if i have some film of somebody handing doctor her choice on a big fat stack of cash no i don't have to have but i understand the standard of corruption under cases that the justice department the united states pursues its public officials do not do the job that they are being paid to do with their defrauding the  taxpayers of their own a service so even if you believe that the homicide squad of the medical examiner went into that death scene and said you know what we don't want to do all the work of an elaborate murder investigation so we're going to go with the suicide because that's the right my understanding is that there are many many opportunities for judges to go the other way on this which is to say public policy exception legislative intent and you know what you have to do is all of this is surrounded by all of this legal technique so you think you make a request and then as documents become available they send them to you but in fact what they really require is that you write to them like every two weeks and say give me whatever you have now and then they make you wait six weeks or whatever it is until they finally release something so it's a very messy process will love it but you know the same requests you made maybe in different forms but you're still going after the photos you need one thousand different times and it does make me look at centric when i asked one thousand times that doesn't have anything it's not a centricity it's that you would ask them for stuff on april first and they give you what's available through april first and then if something comes along and april second you better ask on april fifteenth for the last two weeks the stuff we're going to give you anything so they require that you do these continue and then once you've done the continual requests they make it look like you're some sort of in the sand trick for continuing to ask again and again but it's just the procedure that you have to go through that it's kind of a non issue so non issue even bill i mean we all know about your your pursuit of all this so i live the real issue is that i went into the seattle police department the week after the body was discovered and i handed sean o'donnell the media officer a request for all of the available documents and i've been requesting these documents since one thousand nine hundred four i won the initial release of the first eighty five pages or whatever it was which open the case up to scrutiny  the trial is all about the trial is they come to court and they say this is offensive to a reasonable person and it does not pass muster on that standard and i say well it not offensive to a reasonable person because there's compelling public interest in seeing what appears to be evidence of police corruption falsifying the death investigation solar wind this particular case did you file three days after and not wait its full course it would seem like  he made statements about how offensive he found these mr materials to be and it seemed to me that it was very much in the cards that since he all on his own authority not the chief of police or anyone else might just decide that it was just bad news for everybody to have this stuff around and toss them into an incinerator so i acted perhaps too hastily but then again i didn't really see a procedural attack succeeding i came to court today expecting to win and you  opening get that public records sealed the well not today they would have to go to trial and they would have to examine the issues of whether this is reasonably offensive to a reasonable person or whether the public's interest yes and you're going to keep on doing that till when i get mad it's not enough centricity to try to cope with the it's the a centric thing that went on here today quite frankly is that you know the city of seattle paired up with the the main suspect in the case and said well courtney love doesn't want this material released and we're going to vigorously defend her right to suppress it well what about the public's right to see this material and one  people call you obsess courtney love call me have sas and then she had sheriff's deputies come at me with guns drawn and i got the impression this is in two thousand and five that i could have lost mine life so yeah i'm trying to be polite about this mad but frankly you call somebody up sassed and it's like you're saying are you saying that i mentioned leo i mean that's really offensive and totally unjustified so you're saying that i'm asking a question and a person who is obsessed with pop culture figures is kid who you know went up to the t v screen with a thirty five millimeter camera and took a picture of it because it was introduced as the evidence in this homicide case that the government will not allow you to see has not allowed you to see for the last eleven years i wanted to get a photographic record of it the photographic record of the evidence in this case should capably demonstrate to any reasonable person that the death investigation was fraudulent and that's a very important thing to establish if we're going to keep a tight rein on our law enforcement agents those are my interests not rock'n'roll stardom and all that well the results of her protectively going to be the same they're not they're not going to turn over the photos you know th anything and everything that they have including all the photographs including all the close up photographs of the so called suicide can't i did i should put it because you know look at the way these cases usually proceed especially when there's a lot of listening it's not usually the case that the person who's arguing for suppression of the public's right to know when because of the issues great public importance was defeated because of what most people would regard as frankly trifling technicalit like judge has ruled that a lawsuit to release photos from kurt cobain's death scene while not move forward a man who runs a public access t v show to the city of seattle and seattle police to release records and photos from one nine hundred ninety four he believes they will confirm his theory that cobain was murdered the city argued the photos should stay private for the family's sake today the judge ruled that the man did not follow procedures it's the latest in one man's decade long obsession with the death of nirvana front man kurt cobain today a key county judge dismissed a case with prejudice filed by richard lee lee was seeking graphic photos of cobain taken by police in one nine hundred ninety four judge teresa doyle says lee made procedural errors like feeling to properly serve the mayor and added that he could resubmit his request for the photos with the city cobain's family has requested the photos be kept private lee has a public access radio show and has used it to argue that kobe did not die by suicide as police every ported but was in fact murdered he says the pictures will prove his position and plans to resubmit his request do it six a denial the latest attempt by public access a t v host to get more photographs from the depressed indeed seattle police released these photographs from the scene of cobain's death in advance of the twentieth anniversary insisting they prove he ingested a lethal amount of heroin then shot himself of the law despite today's ruling richard lee says he is unwavering in his belief that whatever happened to kurt cobain inside that house within twenty years ago was a case of murder and he will continue seeking the photographic evidence he says will prove it reporting in seattle carol seven i wouldn't the judge agreed lee can keep trying to get the photos but the seattle city attorney says state law allows the photos to remain under wraps to protect the privacy of cobain originally doesn't believe kurt cobain killed himself april eighth one thousand nine hundred ninety four but was murdered and the police the medical examiner cobain's rock star wife courtney love all played a role in the coverup oh i'm richard reid for twenty one years he's been trying to convince people on his public access show he's right and to prove it he wants seattle police to release the gruesome images of cobain's self inflicted shotgun wound to the head police did release some pictures last year on the twentieth anniversary of cobain's death but lee wants all the pictures a public records request he's made nineteen times but this time he's suing because there's compelling public interest in seeing what appears to be evidence of police corruption even before the hearing began we known to be a self promoter set up his own camera in court he says go unchecked and began questioning the city's attorney before the judge showed up  filed suit against the city just eight days after the request was made the city has up to a year to respond but lee wanted to talk murder conspiracy shotgun the judge sided with the city and throughout the lawsuit call somebody of sassed and it's like you're saying are you saying that i'm mentally ill i mean that's really offensive and totally unjustified you're saying that lee plans to request the photos for the twentieth time in seattle news thank you mast richard lee has spent more than two decades trying to get the photos released he represented himself in court today come of course not markets reports doesn't think he's obsessed with kobe