the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about him as i  i would like to know if there are some methods in dealing with down in particular my mother i would suggest a few things to you whatever you want your mother to know about how you feel would tell her anything you want to know from your mother about you when you're young would ask her i asked my mother i said was i born out of wedlock she said you've got a brother two sisters older than you i know that she says why are you asking that and i said because it's a question it's in my mind she says now she said you were the gentleman i said was my brother born out of wedlock she's well that's not your business because you're not him she said yes i said then why did you have my sister seven years later she says she was a mistake i said thanks she said but after we got it we were so grateful that it was a mistake we knew god planned so she she took and gave it away in about about two minutes and i asked her how do you feel about me when you're pregnant with me because i didn't want you so why not she's it was depression time i found to try and she said all she told me the things i recalled one is like drinking something that makes you get a lot of diarrhea and your body goes completely out of whack you spontaneously abort the other was probably a hanger some kind and there she is i said i said when i was born had double pneumonia twice in the first six weeks of life i said how do you feel about the sea she said i was felt so guilty and i felt so bad and she started letting go to how long we had that in that she said from the day you were born and i had my mother wrapped around my finger but i didn't know why and i said you're free of all that now she said well i think you had this when you younger because of this i think had she was getting up there and she was running illnesses move somebody starts to run illnesses you know they're running a death parallel and they're just getting rehearsals she was more healthy for my and her relationship and with me physically should be around me should be well and healthy no symptoms because i was the only one in the family that was clean with her we were really clean with each other and i told her things i felt wife ellen why i thought it and she said told me things why she felt why she thought it she said you know i've never talked to your dad like i've talked to us and you wasted time with me good bye i got up walked out the room and she she was smart she took the clue and went in and just they talked i was there visiting just for two weeks that i would left about for four days about two days later i left and i was going to be there like eight more days because she was involved with him and it's appropriate for me to get out of there even though i didn't see him again for a couple years and hence see him for three or four years before that mind happened fast enough you see that's this in a way it's like a really  the loving you have is to do what's this i could have demanded hey what about me i'm here but that's not where life is life was for where it's going on where people are making the growth and i would suggest you sit down have something try to talk to this so they get courage to do it because the thing that says oh yes need i go do it you go do it you won't because not courage but you remember this you say wait a minute you start out doing it for you and you might end up doing it for your mother which is in a way giving her back the part of life that she has kept held back because of you you give it back to her now she may have been dying the next day but when my mother died and had the funeral all the kids in the family were grief stricken except me and they all said you know well you spent time talking mom want to talk about i told him i said why didn't you tell us that and i said i did said your books and stuff written information so i never read that junk and there are ways to do that after a person dies if you know how like spiritual exercise it is sanctuary you go in there and bring them in and talk to them it's amazing what they say and one thing that you are doing closure that time is to recognize a side of yourself that they supplied the medium of your life and that since they gave you life for the opportunity for your life and if if it's true you feel grateful for that look to your life to see where you're using it and where you're not using it and we're not using it if there's a reason why you're not fine but if there's not a reason and go do that just do it if you say well i'm too much weight and i don't want to sweet and caring and i'm not doing the running that i could do or the walking i got the time i just don't do it do it and sometimes get agreement somebody else come by doing their life which is important to take a really neat thing is and i did this and it was really terrific and you'd have to modify but i got some roses and took my mom on a date and i took his car and get to game my mom rosa's took it to a nice place and i told what i was doing so this is my mother and she's my date and this is a special she's the first woman ever love she said why would your dad do things like this i thought oh god i so i told him he said ok i got it and he would then do things but they would go to the country club more often than you know the level of their peers and he took interest in shows about popcorn and the popcorn and got messed up and they had done it for years they were doing something with their life that was important call sharing it if you do your life you've got to share it with somebody you've got to if you go run you're going to run into somebody you've got to dinner you're going to see somebody you're going to do something with somebody that's why i say one reason why i think religion churches and social events are so great because you go there you're going to be doing something with somebody even if it's looking at them and i think that's really really important the pretty soon you out always reach out and touch him i would shake hands but always we left we hug because that touch opens the spirit of the other person and honesty comes out in such a profound way that all of us are standing there shocked at our audacity to be truthful and honest and say things that normally would hurt in a braise people and come to the quick they just everybody just knew all of that stuff and thank god finally we're honest that we never told everything about everything it was just of this thing was going on and we knew we could and it was not necessary that attitude going toward your mom would be the greatest attitude to start to bridge into the place where you want to go and you should realize that if you don't do these things then start to prepare yourself for for her death in terms of denying she's died and film despair about it and denying the things and wishing you had of and feeling bad the rest of your existence and and so when a person dies at that point you're going to grieve no matter how much you've prepared and they'll be a time that you're going to do it and that time's going to vary depending upon a whole lot of things if you marry got your own kids the grieving stops is  cuts himself or hurts or goes the hospital emergency you go god then later on you think about it and time is a thing that has to pass and with that the memory of that goes with it and it it's a great healer and you have to let it you have to let your mind go with the time and let the memory go with the time and the way you do that is to do with your life now and if if we keep doing it right now we don't have to do memory because nothing to remember or do with because it's all done completed any suggestions i'm being consciousness and i've had people that have that are all different type of they have all different types of approaches of how they perceive life and all of them have great success and insult transcendence and i've had all those same people who have had no success and so transcendence but their karmas are all vastly quite different that they're working with and so i can't say those who can see are better off than those who can hear some people will come into the movement and get their astral causal mental the theory initiation within god like two three weeks and  old wow i can't believe that you don't know their parents spent ten thousand years getting to that you've only spent one thousand getting two years so nobody knows the other things so you take what they say all well this this this then they  five more lifetimes and you make it years old in this lifetime and gone we just don't know also the best things goes i don't know and sit back relax and just keep doing yours going on conscious is that if we considered that we did them in this lifetime we would kill ourselves we would would literally  see here and just go all god i did that just take a poll your eyes out your room this existence is far seeing goes so it's best for you not to see that but you still get to work it because it's yours and when you get to the soul level lot of people see this stuff and they just go right to sleep again and they say well i'm not staying awake in the soul and i said no because you have a strength in yourself here in this physical body to know that that was like a motion and you didn't like the picture show but you don't have to keep running it and it will be cleared and so let's just say the lord in his goodness and graciousness blinds you from that physically here and says the responsibility is to the soul because it was done in the existence not to the body in the six systems and so that we get to clear that from a higher level of consciousness because it's not here in this level  was working with with the person the other day and we were working and he also he picked up was a right shoulder was terribly aching and he said this isn't so painful just came out of nowhere  it was still hurt him so i crew threw me for him physically and i didn't get it but i'd be careful trying to do that because i might end up with the why he had because karma wasn't through except it was through and he had it and then all sudden he said i remember once he told me i was pulled apart by wild horses and other existence they just now see we can go oh my gosh because we don't do that but if we had seen as to do that another existence of this here  we just did this to our kid today we wouldn't want to live this life this life would be we wouldn't want that and so there is there is a real just not just as a just being in the spirit towards us as spiritual be and so we're children protected by grace of the lord so i was i said the computer and i'm working so a lot of times i sit like this hold my head up with a computer screen and i get you look like i got a pop out there and so i thought this is about six months now that's probably long enough to show that i'm really stupid about this and i don't like to sit like this by sitting up straight and just and watching what i'm doing and just as an obedience to my own body and duty do this so i was doing it and also didn't i found my body moving into a familiar pattern so i just played my computers portable took an innocent in a big chair that vibrates and goes down and i sit down in that thing lean back and just sit and did it and every time the body try to go down these rollers would hit it so i just stopped and put that spot just hadn't worked at work and working and as i sit and work down i felt this thing that and go and then i remember sitting back watching a lot of the semis i've done you see mission like this so people could have seen my pattern for the last fifteen years coming up there you parse it out again but you won't see it for a long time because now you see me back over at this sign i'm running compensation knowing that i'm probably going to want to go back to that i'm consciously watching now when i go back like this i'm like you going to sleep in your ses i don't know i'm doing that until i started tell myself ok i have first of all know that i was dumb and stupid so i said this is this is this is being i want to feel two hours good than i had better do that bad thing that makes it feel bad and this is only been a couple weeks the well one week that i've really been working but it's like two or three hours every day already can feel the body letting go it's pattern but if i stop doing computer work entirely there's a good chance i would tear minutely except for one thing that's part of my job and i would do that job but i also know that after thirty minutes of doing that i get up and walk around stretch pull up them pull around and that now right now i could do that were two weeks ago i get up maybe like this not  block i go oh wow that bag is really bad no but us it will that's not hard to do it was hard for me you know airbases problems easy except the one you have in years is hard but i still went at it it's easy tonight when i work on the computer again i'm going to watch that i don't get sore because there's a test for me to go like to throw the body out like this and really stresses the ribs and all the muscles up down that that to me anymore but i know that my body is going to want to do that i even take the seat and build the pillow up on one side like that so when i go to roll against it it is forcing me to come back straight because i may get so  but now i'm saying ok i've got it i've got the crutches down i needed those crutches for an hour now i'm going to place where i'm more aware and i start to feel my body when it goes a little bit and that's i watch i play with it to go well to see how far that pattern is pulling me but i don't want to take too much because it's very easy to go right back into it that's why i tell people if you quit smoking don't smoke another cigarette see if you're over it that's my goal why am i over this all unfold here it is you're over hurt bad and that the had to stop what i was doing and go get some help it's like god this is bad for me and for me to get stopped because of pain is really kind of an unusual in the world was doing it except me and so i spent time finding out to sit in the chair and just watch how my body would take on but then what was amazing was absolutely amazing is one day i was sitting there and i went like this and i think who on earth did that and i know it was my basketball coach in high school and he would sit like this god i got an imprint so i just sit down there and pulled him inside of me with my sanctuary and i thank you for showing out and correcting this and you're out of my life but i realize sneaked in on me because i had a desire so much to perform to play basketball that i was watching him even out the core of my eyes see how i was doing like a wonderful ball see the coach watch i dribble right that's too much self approval seeking to seek approval from somebody else that's too much start correcting it when that went away it was amazing how whatever was holding my back disappeared but i think there's somebody else underneath there so i'm watching for there may not be but i will play the stupid game that i got it it's i'm finished because that's a stupid game i'm playing the game of i'm watching to see who's going to show up is a hard for me to do no no hard is to look around the room here watch a movie or t v or anything else i decide i'm not going to shut anything off it's going to be open in that i get to change now see if i said i got it that's over it's done how do i count for that when it starts to happen again i said it's over it's done i'm a forty in my field therefore i'm stupid to myself and i messed myself a poorly and i'm not going to do that and we'll keep our free flowing want to change this i really do and that's the attitude you have to carry inside of yourself it's not an unpleasant attitude you people understand that it's an awareness attitude and one of the i'm glad that i'm looking it's like walking down a path in the in the forest is a snake or that's deadly and you're not watching and it could get you but you watch it go whoa whoa whoa i could step on a rattlesnake in a rattle thank god i was watching you for more snakes a lot better because you're watching down looking like this th you know i mean there's ways to protect a watch yourself and that's everybody has to do that according to how you know new sea life and how you do life and how you want your life to be maybe no one can do it the way i'm talking about maybe you might say gee mine is parallel that therefore small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over 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