welcome welcome very very much to conversations a pleasure to welcome to the program one of my dearest friends that i've ever had in all of my adult life too bad we couldn't have known each other when we are young sisters in kindergarden we could have been playing around and having a good time but in my adult life one of my favorite friends that i've ever known is dr larry gal he sitting here to my left and we're going to be talking with him about his extraordinary life's experience up to the moment and one program which will be this st one that are setting off now and then nd program we're going to talk a little bit more about where do we go from here now that we've got to where we is if you understand so larry welcome to conversations back to manhattan you've had a lot of time here and welcome to the program so good to have you on the set well thank you harold and i would like to welcome you to m n n is that it i'm going to rehearse it because you are a star as i'm concerned as far as most people i'm one of the few i'm one of the many that are here there's all kinds of good josie and sitting in the director's boob and all these people and the memory of george stoney who got it all started in public access is a major facility that ought to be celebrated and you've been involved in that but you've also been involved in a very very interesting life to began some time ago if i'm not mistaken upstate new york and my right where you were born and raised maybe to begin with that it's a good beginning to being born yes it's got a way about it it has a beginning some while it is nice dover delaware the over delaware oh ok that's interesting i talk about it yeah dover delaware because my father worked away from kodak without selling them and he went down to dover delaware beginning in the early hours alone was upstate new york was yeah yeah that's rochester new york so yeah i'd been there yeah we left there i went to dover delaware dover reading from well i wasn't born of that you owe you weren't born dover delaware i see right and my father went down to start a company called international latex corporation which is now walking around an all women's bra and panties and so forth us walking around and panties yes and bra all right  right so he went there to start the international latex corporation and start me ok and that didn't last very long and he we ended up back in rochester new york where i grew up oh i see i see ok interpretation and i don't know well i grew up with him in the house as one of the top executives for kodak for in the main face fixed in a back when he came from adults really because he was a boy he was really so you had a smart father i think moved quick yeah i think you can get a lot done yeah he was entrepreneurialism it was good that sounds like larry go did you like a chip off the old block on me being you fly around in airplanes and you go to you go to the strategic air command and all these kind of things yeah yeah ok or c f k since we're on this roll yes i have to apologize for because everybody asked me where you were in the service and i say yes and everybody says thank you for your service thank you for your service but wait a minute you better hear this st before you're sure you want to thank them because i did service i was a soldier i had to crawl through mud and whatnot so you could thank wire with the machine gun fire going right over your head school did you go in to write did you go into the sheds where you had to put your gas mask on will tear gas yeah you had to do all that nonsense and call through mud in all that eleven fire machine gun and everything do you couldn't understand because i was from detroit and really sort of you know in a smart ass and everything and trying to get out of duty didn't want to be there want to do things democratically and everything and they couldn't figure it out because there w is a con man no no no no no that's true you were in and when you were enter printer in developing a different way of doing things rather than crawling around in the mud and having all that you had a different kind of experience yeah tell me about your life you know your literary well when they thank me for my service i really would like to apologize because in reality i roller skated through the united states  think it will be good for your own consciousness if you know what honest just pointed out and you'll feel so much better the next day seven wanting to do this for years and this is why i like you guys for your own you an opportunity to be absolutely three times are all going to make men are you going to run around three target men making the north go over there like this guy you're going to shoot the guns call them to the rule of the bullets overhead keep your head and crawl through the mud and then you're going to go in that room with the gas we're going to turn the never going oh me at all you know so they said well if you don't want to do that take go across the street over there is a big army truck yeah and put your bags in the truck well do it so i didn't yeah right what you see you're smart bit rollerskating instead of crawling in the mud how did you get that to happen again could you be a little more there's a lot of young men watching and wondering how they were going to better for us than what i did they don't want to hear me i want to hear what you did to rhodes gate rather than crawl around in the mud yes well it's a very good question and i don't know how it happened no i know that as long as i was well young men listen well as long as i was a lack in the air force in the united states air force i just did it rather than crawling in the mud but i didn't want to go over there and they said you want to go roller skate you want to go over there want to go roller skating twenty five dollars twenty cents twenty five cents an hour and now you don't want to flesh out the context or anything like that or where do you go to get into that kind of a gig in the military for the young men view where you have to go with something yeah you don't have more it from nations and you would rather have rolling around in the mud and taking got out of the air force i went to work for i b m i think yeah everywhere all over and i've been diaby am i think think think all over d the wall yes i went that was watson yeah yeah and when i went there that was the st computers introduced in the united states of america wow computers and we're going to want to talk about that in a nd part of the program but go ahead yeah so we were trying to sell these brand new i b m computers which take up a whole building yeah that phrase for air conditioning yeah i remember the big things we cost millions of dollars yeah so we were in one of the big hospitals in cincinnati ohio because we figure they had money they buy one of these computers and we're awaiting  something no no i was basic training oh base and i was so good at roller skate yeah they gave me this job to work with the generals and they gave you a job in military do it you would work for the generals in the military that was my st job major colonel all the way to the generals my st job was working with general you were working with the generals in the military and they're not the generals they were the top generals of the united states air force that's moving through the ranks pretty rapidly if you young man i mean that's a pretty clever with all the women go to the hospital for whatever reason it's a basically a woman's area and there's a lunch of magazines in there and i pick up this magazine called the woman's day i think it was called woman's day and it opens right that were you worried like yeah you would run that's where we did our basic training in the air force and there was a standard my rose he was right there a scandal big words all the way across two pages you'd made it to the big time yeah yeah you know there's a national distribution an applied in business became a wonder as came as the secret of my success in business and the role was the general sold me don't ever go downstairs and talk to anybody below a general yeah i said what about the c so you know and all that yeah right then yeah after i got out of the air force actually was part of i b m i set up my own consulting business and i only consulted presidents because  generals taught me never go down and talk to anybody but all the presidents of companies yes yeah and when i went to work for presidents the presidents would say go down and talk to the vice president i go down and i go out the front door and go home why would that as a journalist taught me meantime time in prison for crying out loud bullets be able to replay a life like that they will end up very few days or months or years in you know incarceration you avoided incarceration with all of this i jinxed now watch the link audience came to new jersey and looking for a job and i helped him and my wife helped him get a job in the f b i in new york city another has a part in there that you used to fly airplanes so that gentlemen you see here i'm an athlete while i've got a pen that's got a golf club yeah it's beautiful and i seen you do you know his the president he's president of the whole i'll trade the world and everything and audience what do you think now what you would want to think if you're a democrat socialist or something you probably think one thing if you think you know if you're a capitalist or you know what i'm saying and he would have thought about him what do you think is his handicap that his handicap is his core as a golfer you got golf courses all d over the place and according to the way to a lot of people think you can own the golf courses but handicap thing of the pros or something but what do you think his handicap is anybody want to make a guess this handicap i mean how many how many over par how i want your relationship to par for how many and so many so many yards you have to get the ball from here to there in the hole and if you can do it within so many hits of the club and everything he had if i'm understanding it right he had two point eight he could have been a pro golfer when he gets competes he'll be able to go out and become a pro golfer he could make a lot of money being a pro he could go on that he could go on the circuit you know well i tried golfing but all my balls went into the woods or they never went down so you're not so good at rhythm but anyway i'm still trying to get the ongoing phone you got all this stuff going in your life and you do fly jets and props and biters and everything it's a very adventuresome kind of way to live you not exactly the guy at the corner store just stays in one place the whole time selling you know coffee to people come in and there's something going well your st job is with generals and your next job for fifty seven years is with presidents general and there's a similarity there isn't generals and presidents don't waste their time with colonels and captains and things like that much less the masses you know yeah right napoleon thought that way so for the audience of fifty seven years consulting to presidents and general right now fifty seven years is holding with oh it's so you became a consultant to business people here and you've got your what's the agency called again but i started off in  life what a life you haven't hung out in the corner store on the corner all your life in the same village or something like here's one for you don't people gets yes you are me one star for your own army i was in vietnam a consultant in vietnam lot of our budget is i was sixty percent of our budget is military now the united states of america that that's a lot of gelt yes you know a lot of gelt well if you saw in the movies or i don't know about the guilt but the gallup does consulting in vietnam were you in vietnam during the war time in hong kong and i was consulting from japan to australia spent a lot of time down vietnam and you were consulting with business companies or with who was your remember my intel you were like consult all the presidents presidents big international corporations big international corporations many of which were involved in dealing with the war or in vietnam  yeah well that really gets a very they're born with or i don't know you don't know about that right although however my name gal is on the black wall down in washington why why would your name that's for the people big are they are they like they were huge bullets with a big point on the front yeah right and they had him on a bed and they would feed him through and then they had a ninety millimeter gun also great big gun a cannon that would fight cannon balls and stuff or yeah  right yeah i had to do i know how to drive him forty k so i fire yes i know that i try to explain this to our government yeah oh i've tried to explain things to the sergeants how we could do things democratically they me you must be in the cia yeah yeah yeah and i said yeah i'm in the united states i'm in the cia no i had to explain to him the f b i is in the united states the cia's i would country and we're here yeah now yeah i just left the corporate world temporarily basically this man has given his life and signed his life off for the united states government and he will care he will sacrifice his life for you and their family and you need to be loving to him and take care of him and we're all in  emotional thing and then a week later he's sitting at our dinner table and up in the jersey at the end of the table in the family's all there and he says i have to tell you my st assignment in the f b i is to research everybody the family because  other end of the table is my wish for a better life my wife's mother d and she came from germany under the nazis and she says excuse me are you including me also and he said mother i have to look at everybody she know i can't even i can't act like that well even i could one of the questions they asked me as i said how can you cannot walk around the united states this is how they started you cannot walk around the united i would be so bad as all the jew don't you think the united nations should have an international agency for economic development and i told the f b i they don't have it your government doesn't have it i formed it because it doesn't exist in wrong oh there are so many things that you know they said we may have to follow your own i should what does that mean go to my house and put bugs in the house and he goes like this is at the a here's an example of not me but this guy over here so the f b i says to me how the hell can you say you're you have a television show on the nation's yeah i said what did i said what's the name of it he said it's called inside the and then they said how can you do that it's against the law there's international protocol agreements can't be done you know and i said very simple let me introduce you to harold turner oh my god you brought me out you you read and i don't know they but i read it would be all right there with the lights shining in your face to they come and talk to you later well i don't know it could have been so yeah i've had people come and talk to you yeah but i'd explain to them i couldn't have done that show without you is that right yeah well it was not you had some inspired leadership you know in order to aid yourself down the primrose path disaster any applied the rule it's not what you know it's who you know it was harold janet and who he knew otherwise i never will do that show yeah yeah thank you very much my pleasure my pleasure twenty years fifty two weeks oh the f b i said we have a name for you i said you know what's the name they said see only you're the only person who has a name like this in the f b i and we think it's really funny i said ok well what is and all kinds of crazy injunctions so go ahead yeah so when i interviewed the ambassador everybody should be smith i tell them all i have never in twenty years ever mispronounced the name of you never had and then you'll have to see boys and that off yeah that's a trick we're going over there you know but at least you did you got in touch with a whole lot of people and you got this international agency for international economic development and you doing all this kind of work and i'll tell you it's really is a good thing to be able to one school in journalism and none of your deans professors and none of your graduate students did this but i started the world's st and still only television show on the nation's it and they and you know just the attitude and the attitude was i am i mean i think the i don't know can i can even get to finish my point and their attitude was well we don't need you i said why are you here i said because i thought maybe we could do some kind of partnership because i got all this footage inside oh you have the right you just like to be up there without being recognized by i mean those people that have all kinds of faults great on shows all straight well look if you want to take responsibility for the world the way it is right now and you want to be responsible for the twenty seventeen in the christian era thing where we've been around two hundred thousand years and we've come to a point where maybe it's time for something really and to develop what we have done and managed to do for viewing and thank you for coming in and all i get all the kiddies to get all their nose together and everything make sure they miss one sterling moment of this memorable event thank you for