from new york new york we bring you that which is that which is as presented by john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m s i and the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to the awakening of the spiritual heart within each of us this seminar some titled creativity fixations and addictions right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about the this word i am writing is attention and this word i am writing is fixation and the reason i tell that to you is in case i spell it wrong you low what they are they look ok for me or so far right you know i tell you something interesting any word that ends in these letters t i o n mean it has to be worked out there in the world you work it out there if you try to work it out here its called neurotic and when you get the words then i see that means are going to be worked out interior like narcotic neurotic psychotic ion genie that means it's got to be worked out there in the world running jumping living laughing so you know it's really neat if you can find out what words mean if you go to a foreign country and you understand the syntax of your own language you can understand what people are talking about though you may not know the subject you pick it up it's comes ata manically when we talk about things here tonight and we talk about spiritual things you're not going to know what they are but you are going to know what they are because this information is going to be functioning as a you'll say i got that and i don't know how i got that because you never came close to saying it but i got it and i used words that were directing you to those places now you know some people say jr i have a real hard time holding my attention on a focus long enough to get it i have a hard time holding my focus on something long enough in order to get it focus is not something that goes out there is something that's going on in side of you that's why you're not getting it if you're focusing then that means there's something that is available for you to look at like i can see the exit signs the five focus there not in here if i rearrange my focus and i am clued focusing on the exit and put it inside of me i've now taken my attention and moved it back into my intention and from my intention i get to manipulate my universe now that's what you do all along but you probably didn't know those words so let's go to a bit more detail here's mr stick man will make him a girl tonight well the reason the reason i said ambidextrous because i couldn't think of the word that would be a sexual what androgenous all know do you think this is you what i got you to do was take your attention from inside of here and move it out there by a slick trick of appealing to your ego  so i did just bill to your ego and your intellect and you decide you had the answer we'll go to another page just to get really let's just make this person again but you don't know what that is it's it's a m ok i lie what is a baseball i see i very cleverly told you what i was going to do over here turned around and did it all over again for you because you're helpless in this world for somebody who's a shyster or a slick guy or a con man because you're going to be conned by people left and right because you think you're smart you think you're smart things now you're getting smart because you're starting to recognize the process of your life and dumb is one of them dumb as the primary one seems to be the one so we we might just well put up here you know you think it would be karma wouldn't you but that stupid the inner worlds in your brain in your astral field causal mental theory in the soul in let's say in the spirit and then let's make that be everything that is not material ok so if you see this this will not be spear by our definition now even though it is made up of spiritual material thinking takes place all over this sphere the brain takes place inside of this fear so i'm going to be talking about brain thinking and thinking there's another type of thinking that takes place down here below the neck and down around just about through the growing and we then get a chance to think about it just spinal reflexes so are you getting the idea that this is all being controlled by something else other than us  all right i want to keep it here for a little bit now when we want something this world and when we want in this world it means it's got to be perceivable or have some sort of perception out there and we may have it here our car but it's got to be perceivable out there so if we have it here in our brain and it isn't out there we the reason the reason why we're all laughing and because she said just for the group was it is a remarkable one person can just speak for the group in there but he goes that's it i mean when god speaks that's it  god hasn't said no yet i think when god says no we are going to disappear somebody will say hell no i you go to sustain yourself we don't know how to stop the heart and start it by sitting here we don't know how to not blink we can control it for a while and also blink we don't know how to do a lot of things and we think we're smart where we are if we were names alec would be smart george i knew you would go to smart alec because that's jumping ahead to the future good pollution that's part of how we get into trouble that's i assumed that you were going to and i didn't did i so we find out that some time there's a type of thinking called assuming and if we take the word assuming and we look at those last three letters what do we know this person's going to do to put it out there we're going to put it out there and whoever we put it don since we're one that put it out there and we're right they're wrong and that man makes whatever we put on them so it's true the crown has made itself and what's the other part after that the climate must be perfect all the year why didn't you say so you knew that's what was going through your mind you can put it together it's whatever the focus goes upon now the neat thing about a focus is you can have it inside of you and nobody else in the world can know what it is but as soon as you start focusing we're all going to find out what that is because what energy falls thought thought follows the vision so soon as i look the thought goes the energy goes the emotions go the body goes and we all find out what's going on before too long that's you understand how we're functioning out here in the world this is a real thumbnail sketch they've got tons of psychology books that tell you how you behave like a rat that you are just because you like cheese that's a good enough reason something else so we're going to make did with little smaller because this is really not now what we want to talk about we want to talk about this person's now we get a fixation this by this definition means we keep coming back to that point of fixation is keep coming back to that point so here is a fixation everybody got that this person keeps coming back to that point the movement of spiritual inner awareness great organization teaches about this we get into a fixation and whatever that fixation point is will be how we will conduct our existence from that point on it will be how we conduct our existence from that point on whatever the fixation is if it's money that's what your fixations going if it's romance that's what your fixation is going so we could lay out a lot of things and that's going to all fit so maybe what we should do is make this question mark it's questionable so whatever you come up with the answer to it is yes that's a very simple now what if i don't like that fixation well what i can do given that will just now cut off this information and not look at it and bring it over here and let's say th fixation looks like this and this is how you see me know me all the time because i keep maintaining this inside of me i walk a certain way i talk a certain way i do my certain habitual responses you tell a joke a certain way i interrupt and do the punchline for you so this fixation has both an inner thing and an ou go it's going to work together that's why we don't tell our spouse the punchline so she can jump in at the last minute we tell her the beginning part so she can follow with this and then we forget it than they do and we pull the punchline and then she gets to jump on us and say why didn't you tell me the punchline so i could have laughed before and you say because i had  it now no one gets punished for fixations we sympathize with the poor dear soul because why they can't do any better if they could they would when we want to move our spiritual inner awareness so we decided we'll do something over here so we go down and we get our college degree right and we are now educated with the fixation it's been with me since i was three years old and usually comes in about the time you start verbalizing some people who say well i was too i'm not going to argue with you how old you think you were when you were making sense you're probably one month old you  so what we do is we can take and change what looks like the fixation out here and we always have the fixation who ever asked you what you thought about anything and look at you and who are you and what about you and of if you don't like my clothes buy some new and yells and i score i don't care what you say but yell you're on my fixation and i'm not going to forget that very easy because as i move my awareness i'm just going to take this fixation with now i'm aware that i have a fixation i know it's hard honey every time i go past the bonbon shop i stop and eat chocolates and it's hard i i i walk down the other street have waved as soon as i see the chocolate shop i just sort of and i'm in there and there's so many i don't know which one to choose so i choose a little bit of all of that and i bring it home to share with you but on the way it's in my basic self it was my basic cel it just started eating him and then i got a sugar rush and i was going to go into a coma and the only way to cure it was to eat another bon bons so i did go home and but here's a sack smell doesn't smell good and you know i got this terrible sugar rush headache i think i'm pre diabetic there's a lot gotta be a lot of things wrong no no i'm not going to give up the fixation we're moving we're going to move i can't i can't move we're going to move down such and such a place they don't have a bomb bomb shop within about forty blocks and i can't i can't move there how i was going to take her my mother i know she's dead who's going to take care of  i mean i got to go to her grave one of the last time i was there when morial day we once a year but look if we move way down there it's going to be an all day trip i know it's an all day trip already but it's going to be an all day all day  trip well i can't go you'll you'll go and get the bomb bombs and bring it to me every day well i think we could probably accommodate moving and i could see mother every second memorial you know she's sort of like a foggy memory anyway now it's been ten years twenty it's been twenty years your time really flies when you're dead but i still lover as much as i ever did whatever she looked like i think i got a pitcher some place oh no that got washed didn't it and that's the one where the pitcher stuck together you know if you'd been a better person washing things and watching my pants and stuff i would have had that problem a fixation isn't necessarily a singular betrayal response a singular habitual response might be sucking your thumb has nothing to do thumb well you know let's just look at that a little bit i'm one of the few people that says listen if you have a baby and the baby is crying give it a thumb to suck on why because this can learn to nurture itself is going to learn how to overcome the problems it has  world by giving it something to deal with and then pretty soon you switch thumbs on them and pretty soon they start to switch thumbs and pretty soon they start to switch out and before you know it they're through the thumb sucking phase out the other side and you don't have to do braces when they're eighteen you won't have to worry about doing surgery inside the mouth because you've let them nurture themself are you going to give them now is more nurturing if you don't give  nurturing they will fixate to try to find something that makes them feel good gotta keep this in mind we are all going to look for something that makes us feel good sometimes if we are negative in our thinking we look for something that doesn't make us feel bad you understand the difference and that worse negative thinking to get a positive results that means you go down to some was down used to be the bowery and there used to be the bad place in san francisco they had another name for los angeles another name for and you go down the bad place to find something you think is going to be good and when you go home you find out you've got a disease then you have to go the doctor so sometimes is negative things that feel good often have negative results anyway but if it was real good all sudden you get a fixation on it but i don't know if you know this but there are a lot of had the bookstores around just the other day i thought i was i was really just shocked out of my mind it said companion booths usually they just got one person at a time because it's a private affair somebody has got a fixation going on two in a booth i didn't stop to find out if it was double the price i did get curious when i was up the road a ways that are when how they're doing that know you get curious you got to watch out because curious is on this line you know they'll say in curiosity killed the cat but satisfaction brought him back what does a fixation do for you that you keep coming to it it becomes a point of nurturing what's it going to nurture interior processing when you take ice cream candy food put your mouth is starting to nurture the fixation point or the focus point now there are really some real nifty ways to handle this the people have fixations are really people that can do soul travel faster than the people that don't have fixations because soul travel has to be a fixation you got to have a place there where you start to keep going going going and you go into the routine and you sit down in your chair and this is what a fixation looks like often you go well i love the soul travel she's so pretty you know do soul travel you're looking at pictures in the fixation that you put in there to put it on it wouldn't fit and you tried to put on it wouldn't fit and they said put on this other suit that just slipped dried on because that was part of your fixation fixation slip on real easy the other things are very difficult now what we can do is we can have a fixation out here tell you shopping that's too big of a one so when you have you just didn't buy anything but some people and say they're going shopping that means they're going to purchase things and bring them home when i say i'm going shopping it means i'm going looking i have no intention of buying anything when i'm going to buy something i go to the store walk in fall off tell me what is put in the bag pay for it go home i don't have a shopping fixation just to me if you want to punish me take me shopping if you're fine i'll go with you just to watch what you do but see i went with my mother and i have to sit down in the chair while she tried on forty shoes and then we go to the next stop was she tried on thirteen more and there we go to another stop loss to try to at least eight or nine or ten more and then we go down one side of the street and up the other this should we come back the first door sit down to say that first pair of shoes i tried on when i came in here they go yeah they bring that she says i'll buy these i want to pop my mom real mom you knew when you tried those on those were it no she didn't she had to make sure all the things that were not yet every word town they did not have that same pair of shoes because she wouldn't be caught dead going to a dance with somebody else who had another pair of shoes like that now i understand women are like that you don't wear the same dress as somebody else man i suppose or like that don't wear the same type of suit as anybody else but you go into a men's store that sells suits they just have blue brown and grey and you're bound to find somebody who's got the same color suits you guys and you sometimes come floating down to the genetic pattern and we're born and there it is sitting out there waiting forces like like when a guy's voice drops at a certain age and women start to develop their body into a woman at a certain a some of these things are age related like sixty arthritis shows up you know or something else that we say well those are age related after you know like this is kind of funny as i'm not paying you for this visit you got you got real serious maybe we had to give you short of cortisol or something in there to help that i said no no shoot this arm and will prevent it from hurting i don't put something else in there that i don't know about well and then i went to somebody else they said you know it's just shoulders a little stiff and sore and it's not to maul bill what would do is let me just see how mobile it is what i got over the fifty year old shoulder but i had a fifty year old el golden rule i this is called transferring the learning all these things happen in life which we don't get rid of it just transfers moves around i no longer drink alcohol i drink tons and tons of coffee a probably for the head to drink just a little bit of alcohol but you have to understand that's not the way the life works and works these peculiar patterns now if i'm watching very carefully my interior environment as i walk down the store to the ice cream parlor and i know that i like prey leans and cream double decker oh yeah do i like th it's real hard to get rid of this fixation because now the things moved into an addiction if i get rid of the addiction i'm still going to have the fixation that you can't win in this world that isn't codependent it's independent you know both of them you're just out in the cold because you are as reliant upon something that is going to work there tried to be independent didn't work you're trying to be codependent they left didn't work they're called dependent you're called dependable they're independent of you life is funny so what you do is you find a way inside of you to start to change how that addiction sits with you knows these are sitting a certain way and this one now is going to be sitting a different way and want to start to move the fixation point will start to move that i can move it through therapy if i've got a good therapist who can watch me do things not n l p people are very good at this the difficulty there is they have unlocked the pattern back in the mind they've just change the behavior so that at least you're not going to be locked up for erratic behavior but inside of you used to go but you look like this to everybody else i worked in mental institutions voluntarily i would mean you know nobody said stay for a long time and it wouldn't anyway so we have to find some way to get rid of this thing we have to find some way to get rid of this notice that i've kept away from here i've kept it away that's why this doesn't work is that we take those things and put them away from a we have to take this last all that and start to pull  we pulled this fixation inward to us we can't do a thing with it while it's out there because it's beyond our control is like i would love to do this but it's like it's like some other personality takes over and runs me and i'll be sitting thinking that i want to be married to this lady and she's beautiful wonderful and all sudden i don't want to and i'm wondering why i did want to and i don't want to and so i tell i don't want to but tomorrow i want to this point of fixation is starting to turn it's no longer going to have defined parameters when it's like this with the square you know what that is and there's a real comfort in being neurotic when it starts to move into a circle you're going into psychotic because you don't know or the points are you don't know what the reference points i think the points keep changing if you just let the points change if you just let it change you are not judging what's going on if you judge you're judged the psychoses comes right back and so what we do is take the fixation bring it over to us when we get over to us we have more power and authority in a spiritually then the world does have over us to the ego in the temptation we have more power and authority in our sphere but what is the value then of this world to tempt the spirit out it is to tempt us out and the soon as we come out into a fixation point we have empowered it or what we have done is we've given up our power now this fixation point from a girl's point of view could be a guy that looks a certain way who always takes her in and then dumps her and she's powerless she says i always give my power over to man she always gives her power over to the certain type of mad m how did i get that through fantasizing through daydreaming but that by itself isn't too important if we can put creative energy with a thought and we can put it out there in the world we have more creative energy out there where does a creative energy reside in the person right down here will power those creative energy as a whole lot of sexuality their sexuality as a whole lot of creativity in that little babies come from those areas so you know if we start fantasizing about some beautiful woman and then we make love to ourselves and we come into a climax that energy goes right into that fantasy and brings alive now you know it could be that we do it to a war it could be that we do it to male could do it to a male or to a female or to something else it's whatever turns the creative energy loose and you should into it you start to do that enough and most men know what that means they may be able to masturbate five or six times a day when they're young can you imagine the fixation they're building can you imagine the creativity that they've got out there that is used it is going to come back to the creator we call it karma name i say but i only did that thought once maybe once was it took because it was a powerful karmic thing tied with it and only took once and you're locked on it so how do we get over that son of a gun that's mine how do i get over it it's going to sit out here and everything you do is going to end up into a sexual process everything you do is going to end up in a sexual process well you get into some for your personal say your anal retentive and your this or that you know what the problem to that is they're probably right you probably are but you don't understand how it happened well what about if i don't masturbate have wet dreams oh yeah but you have wet dreams about all about a lot of different things that's creative energy going out going into a fixation point holding it's dangerous to go to sleep business well it can be when you get around thirty forty fifty and you wake up one night and you feel like there's somebody on top of you and you can't breathe and you start to scream in fright because somebody is having sex with you that you can't see and you start to really can go freaky when that they refer to him as are they real they could be somebody may get in there because you're out in their realm so as you go out into this area you've given them authority you have empowered something to come back at you how do i get rid of it i don't know how many times did you make love to yourself to get it you mean it's going to escape you mean it don't i thought you would enjoy that god thinks you would enjoy that all the angels think you would enjoy that or why would you do that well i did it because i didn't know better then what makes you think you know better now well because it's not the way i want it i want that just goals into another fixation is there any way out of this i'm going to do another seminar applied take three or four to really get this tied together where you say god i see how i can do that i see how i can pull it together well remember this lasso part your throat over it you start to pull a damn what you do with the part of the rope that you're pulled in because it can go back out again well it's an invisible last soul so the part that comes in disappears back inside of you becomes part of your own strengthening like after we've had some meditations we see i feel so good i feel so strong i really know jesus was right there christ was right the traveller was right there i felt the strength what was it probably that you mean the commune on a thing like this sure they're coming in on you why can't they do anything how many of these can i have how many spokes are there on a wheel well there is the will of eighty four's of that many for that was on the part that you could see that there were eighty four we don't know how many wills are behind duplicated just get to see the one sin front they ever heard yourself i finished that and completed that and why is that back again because you didn't get the other one i think it the other one i only did one know why you were busy doing them they were copying themself behind you too all the sexuality energy that you were putting out there enough when you were going down the street you saw this good looking girl you start fantasize about having sex with her the energy is already build up to go out it just goes right out into her and you could keep going down the street and you take her home you walk in the house you kiss your wife this is we've been with you  yeah there's another woman with you oh honey i swear i swear there wasn't i didn't stop i looked out of bed and stop they know sometimes they will say who is the woman with you they go where are you you're not here you're not present you're not home what what are you doing what's going on is there somebody else in your life you know as soon as they go is there somebody else in life that question projects into the fixation point and goes and ties up to that one that was down there on the street and starts to give power and pretty soon energetically you've got her on you then you've got to who are the worst ones in this field salesman traveling salesman and i say think bad about them now who is also worse than this sailors who welles pilot it's cabin attendant people that go on tours travel destination workers who else the guys that leads the far east in the jungle can you start to get the idea the people who are out there without a purpose now i give you one key the way to handle this is do not go out on the street anywhere without a purpose of where you're going you don't know if you're going to go out and just cruise around see what's out there don't go or say i'm going down to the bookstore and you keep your eyes on going to the bookstore when you get in there you've got to watch out because you may have just walked into a pornography shop you don't it yet because you haven't gone to that place where all the magazines are we open we're all the beautiful girls are in the creativity kicks in gear and before you know up you start to have sex with everybody in the magazine in your mind in your brain mind in the spinal reflex thinking and the creative process and pretty soon you're a victim of your own being and then let alone that the reproductive organs start to move in that sexual way and you feel and you feel of those i want to make love some people just say i'm horny i just want to have sex you know forget the lovemaking let's just do the six and give the over with let's just do it as much to as many as i can until i'm so exhausted that i can't give the rection any longer and then we'll go from there and i wonder where those guys are going we can get curious but you know what we don't want to do project ourselves down into that and take off unless were grounded real well right here and we ground ourselves right here by knowing who we are here now if you're upset and you're in a rage and you're fighting with your spouse or your friend you'll be glad to project out in fact in your mind you'll see yourself packing your suitcase and leaving that energy being the really really powerful coming out of the will to go takes you on the will to go and it is very hard in a few to come back and concentrate on anything that they're present right in front of you because all your willpower has packed and gone through the mountains i see this beautiful girl and she like me and i like her she will spend the whole summer together just liking each other and the other going to the beach is a very difficult one change extremely difficult can be these can all be changed but the fixation that has to be brought back but the point where you focus there's something must be done there the focus of your attention is very very critical to any kind of sense of wellbeing us happiness joy in no it's like you can be satisfied but you don't get any satisfaction you understand the difference and that satisfied is in here and satisfaction is out there most of the time if we get satisfaction out there we can pull it back in and be satisfied here most of the time but there comes time when our karma shifts what happens is one of these points  shifts when that happens you wonder what's happened to your life you talk about that some other time there's a lot to know about your attention and your intention and your focus and your direction and your will to do and your will to not do it's important somebody says what do you think that you don't just react but thinking takes time and you sit down and you say well see thinking and thinking starts to go out on all of these avenues to see what that thinking is all about if you say how do you react to that so whether stupid slob that's a reaction well my reaction is i would have done that had i have been there oh yes you would have you would have done the same thing had you have been there why because there but it was there did the same thing yes but you must understand i'm different you have a controlled fixation oh you're a you got an addiction call control freak you're going to control it all are you i put it in a square then the put it in a circle because this is where i've left you this is where i found you we're going to go from here we're going to go back in and we're going to rope these and bring them in each one we're going to rope them bring me i'm there a lot of ways to do that we do workshops and you sit next to the person across from you and you start to rope yours and bring it end and all sudden when the energy comes the end that has been out here floating around a sense of purpose comes in a sense of in the light and the sense of power comes in and you start to gather up all your little bastard children that you put out there and you start to bring the family home and the power starts to come back inside of you and as it comes in there you have to watch out that you don't get a great big purpose out there and blow model out on something else i have watched people do this  i've watched him do it in the stock market i've watched him do it with food with people well this is so prevalent it goes with being a human being you don't find this in animals you can find bad habits but the animal can hold a fixation they can hold you see what about these elephants and remember it's a bad memory a good memory keep some present a bad memory keep some back in the susie have the memory that matches up it comes forward human being get some power usually we start to enlighten those around us we say we want to share the purpose of our awareness and if somebody goes no no no no no that's not it of course not that's their fixate now with this information share it with who you want to i don't think you're going to be able to because mostly if you share just this much and you can't give them the other parts of go with it you're going to be doing them more harm than the good you want for them if you want good for them you can tell them about the good a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book about john roger and m s i call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine book that's one eight hundred ninety nine two one one one three five this has been that which is with john rogers thanks for joining