following program is sponsored by the ebel open door church yet all open door church he's committed to living god loving people and loving life our doors are open to whomever required seattle open door church didn't have a time to read all of the story because a several chapters about it but along the way i'll share some of the concepts of that you'll know kind of what it's about so if we look at enter duction the title of the lesson is face to face encounter with god ja b is the believers prototype and though he had the promise of blessing he tried to obtain the blessing through his own effort this results in him leading a double life and he had an encounter face to face with god this experience broke him and then he began to walk in the right way living for god if you know the story that will make perfect sense to you don't know the story you'll catch on the second paragraph we talk about what people can do at times many times those of experience would in their past do not even believe they can be blessed to be set free from the wounds of the past or they try to get healed from the past in many different ways and then going to god somewhere wet mask as if they are ok yet almost anything could be a trigger for them all need to have a face to face encounter with god just like jacob had his own life so that second paragraph do you believe that those of experience with being some believe that is what is going to be the rest of their life that they believe that life is just going to be bad for them the rest of their life is there some that believe that so they don't even believe there's a blessing for them what's the blessing if you're a believer in jesus christ the blesses you can be set free from all the things of the past you can live a victorious overcoming life but some don't even believe that they can be blessed and then there are those who try to get healed by trying their own way of doing it and i know what that means so maybe if i if i just take control of life and i become the manipulators that a people manipulating me does that happen what about i become the neighbor if i just if i just let anybody do whatever they do to m finally somebody will love me do you there were those work and so what it is is there's something about attitude very much so is about attitude and so if you have the wrong attitude we're going to have a gentleman probably in february this going to be coming to speak and he tried twenty different ways to try to find peace and then twenty different ways was he tried every religion except christianity he tried engineering he tried psychology he did everything to find an answer you found out the answer was jesus christ so we can go all kinds of different ways to find healing but all to me the answer is jesus christ how many know that sometimes we have to have a wrestling match with god to get healed have you know that we have to have a face to face encounter where god gets real because i know when you've been wounded and scarred and you grow up and maybe you've been witness scarred in a christian home a mother and father serve god but they were fallen human beings they made some bad choices along the way they weren't the best of parents or you got they weren't the best of parents know some people grow up with great parents but they judge them as not being good parents and so what happens is you make against christianity against god in saul the reality is you want nothing to do with god because your experience is that god is in the good god and so what does god do who are brain is circumstances we have to face to face encounter with them maybe it's a car accident that he allows to happen and you're laying in the bed totally crippled and you only person you have to talk to is who god in your mind is you can't even talk so god can to bring that face to face encounter to us all this to start a lesson this is again based upon the story of jake up as not all going to parallel to the our story but i'll give you some ideas romano number one says what is in a name first thing is it says a is conception in genesis twenty five one thousand and twenty six there is the story of the birth of jake up and he saw jake up was struggling even at birth there are many people who deal with the spirit of rejection even at birth maybe it turns out the parents did one a child or another child maybe they're born to addicted parents and were a crack baby or fetal alcohol syndrome baby maybe they're born out of wedlock or conceived out of rape maybe they were adopted whatever is behind their conception there's a message of being rejected does that make sense that there's that indirect miss if your parents that want another child do that when you get bored and they say look i didn't want you to they do that most likely not but will they relate to you a certain way if you're that unexpected child they can have you turn around and you can see by rape and the mother carries you to term and raise you but there's there's a part of bitterness that's within or you think that somehow that will come out that that can be manifested and that a child spirit can you can look at it with this look at the story for a second to see how jacob starts out even at conception in genesis twenty ether within her and she said if it be so why am i feeling this what is happening god why is this happening there's this war going on within my belly and the lord answered says there's two nations in your womb and two men are people should be separated from the bowels and the one people should be stronger than the other people and the elder the younger so how many know that if there's two children you ok was going to come out before the other one right so the one that comes out for first is the older one even if it's by ten seconds right how many know the jewish culture is the older has what are the inheritance the birthright and there's a war going on as the older jake up is the younger he wrestles as well even as a baby he's restless away i want to be the first born that's how he starts his life do you think that maybe how you start life can be how you in life if you're not careful if you start life with negative experience can you carry that negative experience all the way to the day you die absolutely we have to be very careful it says it needs to be understood that times individuals were loved in spite of how they were conceived or the environment their conception but they perceived they were not logged even if we come in a good environment we can perceive or not luck i believe that probably in my home i was loved i was the first i was the first born norm the first to parents are excited about that i believe that i probably was loved it's just that i never perceived it so even if i was the victim perceived it now i make a joke that maybe my dad cursed me because i found out later on that when i was born the nurse brought me in at that time you know fathers weren't with the wife when she was having the baby right she has the baby and baby gets all cleaned up and there's brings them so i'm all cleaned up right i'm broke presentable she brings me to my dad and my dad says that's the ugliest baby i've ever seen and this was it queen of angels hospital which is run by the catholic church's non so was a nun so we think the non felt like when he said that and she like a how dare you say that that you call your baby anything i think you say look like a monkey oh ok so did i hear that citric question i heard it in my spirit because can i can i interpret as a baby could interpret all that kno all the emotions and stuff out it again if i'm three an hour all i don't have much reasoning and i don't want to make a big or then what it is because i'd really dawn kind of joking with you because i really don't think that really affected me but if that attitude carried on by my father could that affect me so he says how many know that most babies look if you get really honest they look kind of ugly kind of wrinkled up to look and especially if first come out before they get cleaned up they don't look the bast kate but you don't say my baby looks ugly that's not his paper you are seeing now if i would have been the nursed i would have said well let me take you to show a bunch of ugly babies because they're all ugly at first and that's not the ugliest one you've seen but out of that is that little statement carsten probably affect me but at that statement continued on could affect me absolutely what happens at conception can affect you old enough to be able to hear it and not be devastated by it but even though i was told that years later i was probably told that i don't know probably at twelve thirteen years old do you know it still had a little bit of effect on me you know why i grew up as an asthmatic kid that was never good enough couldn't play sports always sick i always felt like i was the loser so if you felt like you're losing you hear that even if you're twelve thirteen years old can the enemy use that to create something then you do you see how easy wounding can happen so this this thing between jake up a nice solid there's that starts to be a battle of who's going to win you don't think that broad damage in both of their hearts and now to let you know something prophetic about it is there be two different nations you know that what took place in the womb has been taking place to this day the two nations israel and muslims are still fighting for something that took place in the womb that's something to think about that's something to think about there's a spiritual significance in the midst of that that's why we need to be careful what we speak or the words that we speak we need to be careful of our actions we we need to realize that when we have people around us what how they may interpret things may be different than how we interpret them so there's this war that goes on be fulfillment and just twenty five twenty seven thirty four the name jake up means a planter deceiver schemer or trickster i like to have your name in that many individuals have been one of the past learn to cope with that would be manipulative controlling or very deceptive is that true that if you've been wounded you're going to find a way of dealing with moon is some people are going to be manipulating me they're going to be controlled they're going to be deceptive they want to have what one up on you so jacob was that one up on you kind of a person and what's interesting is you see in the midst of this this look at this and one of the twenty seven thirty four and the boys grew and he saw was a cunning hunter a man pray thee i'm hungry i want some of the food you're making and you know what jacob says sure just let me have your birthright so at that time esau sells his birthright to get some some some porridge are you willing to give up what god has for you for the sake of something of this world there's something to think about and notice that jacob was what he was a manipulator he knew what to do i know how to get the birth right he's really hungry i can commit seem right now so i can see him there making the mill thinking oh my brothers out there he's hunting guess what if you're hunting for a deer you're getting a goat and you're going to cook it is going to take a while you've got to skin it you gotta you gotta gut it out you've got to do all this preparation and you and you've gone honey and you going to eat and you think high got to do all this and they didn't have microwaves so his brother knew that and he took advantage of it see when we get wounded sometimes we take advantage of situations so that we can have that upper hand now think about your own life where you the manipulator are you then they because he didn't want to pay the effort to what to do the prep work can i tell you if you don't want to work on yourself that here's what will happen if you don't want to work on yourself you're unable or you'll be abused the rest of your life and how we know even if you're not being abused you will read it as an abuse because of where you're at sea struggling who is in control and genesis twenty seven jacob lives the life of a manipulator controller and his mother is in the neighbor of life's nothing less that control manipulation leads always to looking for didn't they were to get what you want now what if you're both what if you're both that you'd like to be in control but also concerned about everybody thinks about you do you think that might play with your head what if i was to tell you that maybe some people are bipolar and bipolar they came from mental illnesses because of how they learned to deal with life can do you think that if you keep dealing with life a certain way can pick you mentally so if you're a little kid and your father's beat on you all the time and you find an imaginary friend to help you  deal with that can you grow older and suddenly have more imaginary friends to a point of having schizophrenia so everybody wants to blame the devil for mental illness in august cast out the demons a person to be ok well sometimes it has nothing do with demonic stuff s to do with the brain cells what's going on the brain and it has to do with the choices we've made and so if you're a person that goes back and forth between between being somebody that is a man pleaser and then when people abuse you you take control and you take charge and you have this back and forth could that make you manic depressive absolutely it can and so what is the healing is the healing medication there's a trick question the medication can help right the medication can help get the brain cells going but if you don't deal with how you deal with life with the medication all to be the fix because you can get all the medication to get your brain functioning properly but you have some control over how in how you deal with life and so in order to be healed you have to be at a place where you say that you know i'm not dealing with things the right way how do i deal with them differently and you know until jacob looks at how he deals with life he's going to be the same person is that true and how many know that sometimes it takes something challenging to get you to have to deal with life something to force you to deal with life so number two jacob's example even jacob was a liar and a cunning opportunists god not god did not leave him is that true god lead you just because you are a certain way oh god is always pursuing his always running after is always chasing us ah maybe there's some change in these that take place that me that's why he's always on your back why is it that pastor rich seems to be writing on me is it because he doesn't like you are is it because god is using him to try to help you but what can you attitude be rebellion stubbornness remember whatever a man souls he will reap god deals with jacob as he lauzon to reach some of his own actions from beautiful beautiful gorgeous woman that he wants to marry laban his her father in law ok i mean his her father and so he marries gets married is as follows a laban is the father and they have their good time and every day they're consummate the marriage and then there's a switch a roo it happens to be her ugly sister she wakes up in the morning says well how did you trick me now go understand the culture lot of drink it went on during the wedding ceremony because i don't know how you got tricked ok but they were a veil of something but hey before i go with you i'm going to know who you are is dark it was dark the lights are out and and there was there was there was veil all that kind of stuff and there was drinking going on and good at what if i tell you if you're a manipulator you will get manipulated even when it comes to that he's a manipulator but you know what jacob found something they can manipulate better than him they've been so i guess the more is all my goodness i can't believe this this is the toothless wonder i married i don't know what's going on so then there is ok if you work for me a little bit longer you will get the right woman all that's happening do you reap what you soul do absolutely reap what you sow if you sow deception what he said should come your way and you know  happens this and when you reap deception deception will come your way and then you don't even know your d c because if you're deceived you can't know your d c because you're deceived think about that when you're deceived you know you're deceived no because you are deceived and so you believe that you got away with something but did you really get away with something and so turn your page first that the bible says if a wooden person does with their pain by taking advantage of others by so in hate and bitterness by making intervention and judgments it will come back to them sooner or later it will happen if you the way you deal with hurt is you're going to make somebody else pay for your hurt will you end up paying and how we know even in trust anybody you know who you'll marry somebody you can trust and can i tell you that if you have that strong in your heart you can't trust i'm going to tell ya but jake up eleven they had this battle gone because they didn't trust each other to manipulators don't trust each other and they try to outdo each other and so if you're a person who is a person that says you just can't trust anybody and you sold that valhall then when you marry somebody you know they can be the best christian man or the best christian woman they can be on the church staff they can be a pastor but when you married them guess what can happen you're not marrying the person you married because you've so on suspicion you saw in mistrust how many know if you get in a marriage and somebody doesn't trust you all the time what can happen it was a do the person who is trustworthy it tears them apart tears your heart and after a while if you keep being told you're not trustworthy what can happen you might become untrustworthy especially if you have wounded in your heart and you are told you never can be trust your mom says you'll never be trustworthy so she saw in that seed in that godly husband that you'll never be trustworthy he marries a woman who says men can never be trustworthy what can happen higbee a big mess that can happen so that's why we have to get to a place to  god gets into that that face to face encounter with god god show me reveal to me those vows i have made show me those things you see the problem with jake up he's not seen as a problem he just got manipulated by the better manipulator any don't think there's a problem because you know what he does he manipulates more human lives and we can see that a moment because i'm jumping ahead jacob makes a deal with god to commit himself to be as a faithful to either that he might be blessed what is his real motive he's even if god will be with me ima keep me in the way that i go and will give me bread to eat and clothes to put on so that i can come again to my father's house in peace then the lord shall be my god and this stone which i have set for a pillar should be god's house and all that i shall give gives to me i will surely give a tide on be him if god you do this i'll give you the tide so as you say so if god will keep me wherever i go he'll be with me and if god will give me feed give me food he'll feed me of god will give me clothing of god will bless me i will tie is that why you tie you  god so husband and wife if you love me i'll love you with you say if you love me i love you what's the opposite if you don't love me i won't love you that's a bargain deal and he's trying to bargain with god can you bargain with god yes or no because to god let him get away with that god let him get it get away with it but how long do you get away with their behavior when it people would try to make deals with god is that true if you've been wounded you've been scarred you've been damaged can you try to make deals with god you try to force the hand of god to be doing something for them or blaming god if you don't do it they want god you saw what i grew up in how come lord you let this happen to me and hold a judgment forever so anything bad that happens whose fault is it is god's fault never never decisions i've made it's always god's fault and so here we see this manipulating that's what happens that we can do when we get wound jacob meets laban who becomes jacob's father in law laban was controlled by stubbornness and greed and deceived jake up many times the deceiver became deceived you reap what you saw and then see the last part here i want to share with you jacob bargains with la god he just he knows just how far to let us go and then god says enough is that true in all of our lives got to let you go along with what you do to a point and then god says enough here's the deception is jake up wants to know is he's go and all that and you get all the ones that don't have any spots on them all the pure bred ones right sounds good deal to us as a great idea yeah they're the they're the purebred were the healthiest ones and so then what jacob does he comes up with an idea now i don't know if this could really happen but god can make things happen if really if it can happen because when he does he starts having the goats in the lambs he has them eat a popular wood and some other days that is speckled and when they eat that any put it in the water that they dream they start coming out speckled who gets the speckled ones jake of does now i don't know if you tried that scientifically if that would work but do you know that god has let that happen did you know that god can let you get away with deception that you know that god will let you be deceived to dick you're getting away with it do you know that god will allow you to do that that seems mean and cruel but you know i guy's doing it because he wants it to be backfire on you why so you have a face to face encounter and so next week we're going to look at how this looks like a good thing but all to me is going to be a come a place for jacob has to face god because guess what god will let you get away with whatever you get away with your sin with your re billion you'll get away with the way you deal with pain in your life the way you deal with the wounds and scars you can get away with all the dysfunctional behavior that you want to get away with and god will let you but what will happen at some point in time especially if you're a believer in jesus christ going to say enough because if your believe in jesus christ god loves you and god is obligated to say enough why because when god says enough what does he do he says enough and then he gives you what he sets you free because he has a face to face and come he says ok now we're going to talk so next week we're going to see that jake up and god have a talk and something happen in the midst of that talk jacob walked differently can i tell you when you and god have an encounter you better walk differently there better be evidence of that you and god had an encounter because unless you're walk differently you have not been set free unless you walk in more like christ unless you're humble walk with christ you're really not free you have been listening to there is so with pastor richard over through jesus christ we can live a victorious life seattle open door church located in  committed to loving god loving people and loving life so you have an open door church once you don't know but regardless of where you've been or what you've done god loves you there doors are open to anyone and everyone their services are sunday mornings at eleven seattle open door church is located at six twenty five south west one hundred forty ninth street in period next to the southwest courthouse