i've become very used to and so i'm comfortable about that so i'm glad that that experience happens but then i got to the stage where i didn't want to go to public school again so that's where i ended up i decided i wanted to go to garfield as i came out of private school and went back to to mainstream high school and high school is where my real ambition and love came from music music was like my mistress and you know you've heard that duke ellington say they were i had a flaw in my heart all the time i was always i loved everything it was an honor to be able to do that because i was still very young and i had an opportunity to do and i also became a member of my own band which i started in than what i ended up doing was i met this guy jordan rudy who actually started teaching about what i was doing and he was very amazing in him and joe they were all they were so wonderful i had his back to playing with the with his teeth and doing all that stuff actually jimi got that from that whole idea of guitar shorey that's where it started and nobody talks about that but that's about blues they came through seattle from chicago maybe in the seventy's so they don't realize there was some real serious blues put here in rio you had boss george and we used to call  guitar surety they were all good blues players and played tune for me they had more to offer than just the blues players so to to put perspective on jimmy jimmy had the same thing i had else you you lock into that groove and and you can play anything else and i think that's what really appealed to me at the very beginning was not so much like the notes or the technique or anything else like that but just the real solid groove and then you could hear it there were a lot of there were a lot of musicians like you talk about dave lewis and guitar shorty  just great and you listen to him and i just wanted to do it and then i get these gangs these little silly gags and gary i got gary and his friend booker there were these two tenor players they would show up horns and they'd be all like you know sun ra political thing and come and play and they played there they sounded great some of it up and they play it and they had an open invitation any gig garry still has any gig i ever play of the fong we take the kids we do have that all your permission will be popping up on the screen the dynamic movement and in the closeness that they bring to each other and the listening new theme music is something that when i talk about music and i speak as danny spoke feeling and expression dynamic sense to the back all the way we talk that's very important it's very important but it's a lost art form you know when i think that i'm not being negative as i say but now everybody's up front and they're out front nobody wants to be creative like they started playing and they start playing off each other trying to really be creative and build it that i'm being between them so that at last now they hit it straight up and down and that's way it is so as danny said i don't come out much anymore because of what i heard and when he heard because we were there was something never be able to  as george got better with the concept he grew it into classical music and other things and i will add danny explained that part when i came to in the sea and i got george i had george's class it was it was more i won't say the beginning stages but it was being challenged a lot because they didn't want to add to conservatory they were talking about the new  to have him to have what he calls in a concept the service because george was very dynamic and his expression well and had not quite reached the peak that quote unquote the classical world felt that it was an accomplished art form to say but it was it was it was more than that so  we again george had to prove himself and he had to be very forward about his vision and about what that was and he did a wonderful job so if you took his concept you took the lead in and he gave me a copy of it and i looked at it and it's you know i'll tell you one of the things that happens in music is the really great musicians  sort of redefine harmony themselves duke ellington did it route george russell did it and he just was more articulate about his it was funniest thing because i was i was talking a lot and danny probably remembers that i was real cocky and they call me a cowboy and i did not like that taught me about music is that music just like gary was talking about the devil harmony there are no wrong notes no wrong  no more than one way to do anything so if you come in here with us believe me and you sit here long enough and they did say that if you work out with  out what you thought this was it's even more than that so when we when we were rehearse we would spend  and preparing for the gig and then the funny part about it we might happen with two of those tony and that used to be the killer but we would rehearse so heavy and we go through stuff t get there and specially john because grant past john would just sit there and let me tell you ok what we going do you know how we don't do this just to you know i am thinking about this song and i'm