with mr roach when i first met david he was talking about farmer's market and access to food in food to table and i was going to this brother talk about well of set the stage as this question around farmers markets and one of the basic definition is the physical retail market space where food is so directly by farmers to consumers and farmers involved was because we felt like it was a strategy that we could use to help african american farmers have a market and you know maybe about thirty years ago i think jerry brown was responsible for the state of california becoming passing a bill which enabled you know local farmers to sell their goods directly to the public as you just saw defined and you know black farmers too well yeah but hear me for all farmers for all farmers and what we found is that you know in the state of california after american farmers were about a third of one percent you know so out of a roughly about ninety four thousand farmers we make up less than three hundred farmers and so we you know in about one thousand nine hundred ninety six we went out and we tried to find those three hundred farmers and we found a couple of farmers a for few organizations and we basically you know our strategy was well we can't we don't have real markets for you we don't have big buyers big restaurants to sell your food to but we can start with a farmer's market in from that we can hopefully  so there you go also i taught him a climb ins at the time i type business and students from my business i had an e i think you and i students because we also wanted them to actually say well food to know the food business which is about a forty billion dollar industry in the state of california and so for the as i mentioned we were less than a third with the farmer's third of one percent but farmer's market every saturday about fifty six telegraph their runs from about ten am to about three o'clock i believe and other vendors are there who are in the food movement there's a growing number of people since we started that i've actually been getting more into backyard gardening to you know catering and just the whole food there's a whole local food movement that you know it's american thing but also the black community is really grabbing  produced to the table was a foreign concept for us we're used to process we're used to you know book food was really really unhealthy for us and we actually are now we as the for a long time eating foods that have been really the piggly the meat have been laced with a box and then we see within that discussion more heart disease more diabetes or cancer  was unhealthy for us yes and you know and as i said earlier part of this was really more of a strategy because as you look at the black community west oakland in particular less this east oakland our business community has really deteriorated over the years and you know there have been statistics that talk about the red lining that is going on from the banks where they actually put a red line around our neighborhoods and say there are no investments that are going to come into th community and so what you found is a lot of mom and pop stores they used to exist were stand later they had to sell their businesses and then they later they became liquor stores and in certain the fast food chains and so so the people that lived in those communities only had access to really fast food or liquor are the groceries that were provided by these liquor stores as it was twenty years ago oh as we had our conversation it's still cheaper to to school back and forth the food is provided for them as you mention the cost of food has risen like in the last thirty years i believe i mean it's just in this is going higher because now we have a serious drought going on and so  typically has happened is that the people in poor communities can't afford to eat right and therefore we at a younger age are coming up with type two diabetes right and we're very obese right now and in of course you can't think right if you're not fit right and so you know as you mentioned like the visionaries but i can say that you know i'm on the shoulders of groups like the black panther party who said that we need to have a breakfast program because once i kids can eat before school community service objected to and why we're so healthy that's not by choice it's almost like a it's almost a diagnostic this from quest upon us because when you talk to people about eating and buying these types of food it's the shelf life that used to be able to have a long shelf life all these things not knowing that that little shelf life comes with a whole host of health problems that we're just beginning to get with one of my big things and what i've missed as well wic yeah and in the hispanic community the you know in terms of people who don't know where kids it's ability to buy food at little or no cost get right vouchers that you have that's right and i would say that if there finding out about pigs for adverse u s t a case which last year obama actually enabled he can expand the settlement this class action settlement was a two point three billion dollar class action one of the largest settlements in the us history and this is with black farmers who are being discriminated against by the u s d a so it's called pics for us us to get and so our students you know  we you know we wanted to do more than just write our congress person politicians we wanted to create a market for our farmers to sell their food because you know because even though you might be able to find money to support them they still need a market place to actually live you know to have a bread line like a life line to actually sell their goods so that's how we sort of that started but as you just mentioned it has been by design that we're not supposed to have farmers we're not supposed to be able to feed ourselves healthy food and sat as i mean as  as you know this as an american person like we should have this right there have been you know obstacles or just mention the united states department of agriculture pay this settlement because they admitted that they were discriminated against black farmers so what does that mean that means that our food supply is being cut off from our farms that means that now the stores in our community don't have that food source anymore so now you know we get our food from them means that the businesses that used to exist there's no longer that connection between the story and the farm that means the restaurant they used to buy the food from the farmer doesn't have that source anymore and if you understand the historical patterns of  warfare you will know that one of the one of the the strategies is to cut off your opponent's food supply in order to subject them into being being you know oppressed by whatever you're trying to do this shows an employee in the next couple through a force to be clear about that this is what's been going on oh yeah it's right in your face if you don't want to accept that that's that quick process food if your girl to are the interior owls all that's process all the external stuff is the stuff you should be buy in with minimal mark because that's nave the healthy right you know mean you know if you study our history even though you can get angry about what we've been through you can also find strength i mean to know that harriet tubman came back over and who and to me what we're experiencing a lot of it is just mind over matter the fact that we are free we're able to talk to one another we can call up people you know and we can come together and we can use our money i mean a lot of people play great debt for us to be able to you know to have this quote unquote freedom but now we have to you know in a sense we're being bombarded with media would be bombarded with you know by this i mean i was watching this commercial the other day with monopoly sitting next to a brian james and he goes to mcdonald's and then me down as persons like to the monopoly guy cross the joke is that hey that's the brian james there but our celebrities are being used to then reach the younger kids to buy that fast that burger that fast food and you know into our sugary drinks right drinks you know and so we need to know how to separate you know where the value you know we say oh that's a commercial he's making good money but look at here sign you know drink router drink juice stream something healthy person hope we can see across the board these kinds of products would know that currently we have about twenty one two point one million people behind bars and the sadness is that we have companies that people work for in the pin tenchi system and they make products that are sold on the open market so we're basically slavery still does exist today music will promote because the labels think it's kind of cool for you to disrespect your one man for you to call your brother his name you know auburn negative things and all the things that were there were always  consuming to slow as dan if you understand it the big picture is about money how can we exploit this massive people so that they can keep making the money we've been making and keep our trust accounts going for our families you know for a farmer's markets because you are who you are i think it's a larger platform about who you are as a person your knowledge of history your knowledge of the effects of trauma your knowledge of the facts of  a greek who went to egypt he studied there for twenty nine years where he learned to put the theorem that i sassed was trying go and then later around he got the name bagheera so we study that so everything is based on the first hundred and i think twenty six but we know because the african six thousand years ago and then at the first calendar so they knew not only the earth was round but they knew how long it took for the earth to go around the sun so i mean we knew these things but you know but that's not that's not our story his story is a miracle neo is the first one but as you said the farmer's market was a strategy it wasn't necessarily you know it was more about getting our farmers out to the public where we knew are black farmers were and how we can support them and as i was sharing with you earlier you know one of the things that we still farmers are suffering i mean even though we have the market and it's good to have a farmer's market people come on in to support them of cool the trends are hey i'm buying a local i'm supporting this farmer but really these farmers are going back with food that they didn't really sell they're having a hard time living in the conditions were especially with the drought they don't really receive the same kind of benefits as other bigger farmers do all smart farmers right now are really suffering in this country black farmers about fabby five ten times the amount as far as the suffering goes because we're last on the list to receive the money we don't have distribution i my parents divorced when i was young and i just you know i have a very beautiful queen who works with me to raise the kids that we have and you know they're on knowledge about not killing each other what is your answer but what do you think we need to do to fix their brokenness i know with you and your love of the family that's one of the ways you do it what would you offer to us is as you know get deeper into what your purpose is i think vision is a really big part of you know i think there's a verse in the by would a says you know the people paris without a vision and i think that often times as i said earlier with when you understand your history then you actually become more powerful like marcus garvey said people without the knowledge of their history is like a tree without are we have low self esteem and artists in our end by beating you know if you it's interesting because when you look at some of our elders for example and i see my father who's eighty about eighty five year o yassin and i've taken him in some environment some time that he's not used to being a black man but being in this environment and there's a way where you can almost see how society until age of fourteen who was murdered for that so we have a lot of self esteem issues and i think that the solution to a lot of this as brother malcolm would say is our history like the more you know your history the more that you actually you know you you know that we dealt with this before we can overcome what we're going now and there's so many people not just black people but you can learn from you know i mean you can learn from the human race and be inspired by what they've done my you for bringing a lot to a very dark world not just about food but about visionary thinking and our culture and who we are and your love of family i think there's some i do know and i've been blessed to know you and wish you