was a matter of real concern that trying to story is intended to serve a national purpose abroad came home and were circulated here and believed here because this would mean that the manipulate the news in the united states by channeling that through some foreign country that we're looking at that very carefully do you have any people paid by the cia are contributing a working for television network i think it's into the kind of getting into the details mr chairman that i'd like to get into an that i was told about them and asked if i'd carry on with them we have quite a lot of detailed information and we will evaluate it and we will include any  evidence of wrongdoing or any evidence of impropriety in our final report and make recommendations do you any people you do realize that you're just digging your hole deeper don't you actually you probably don't you know what i think i think people like you senator dianne feinstein and john mccain has been so much time in your little washington c insider bubble that you completely lost touch with the people but more importantly you've lost touch with reality you guys have been drinking your own kool aid so long you have to realize that the rest of the world sobering up his watching in shock as you dance naked on a coffee table with a lampshade on your head this tendency for insular human groups to delude themselves is quite common fact so psychologists have a term for groupthink listen i don't know what in terms of the wall this isn't a controversy even the n s a is mass surveillance indiscriminate data collection are blatant violations of the fourth amendment and even beyond the borders of the united states a violation of article twelve of the universal declaration of human rights to mention the fact that this kind of just terrorist everybody we're talking e mails chats phone conversations video and audio skype calls and of course your social media interactions is spread mao way to hijack countless computers turning on webcams and microphones are mostly logging key strokes and browsing history even knew about the heart bleed bug for two years or frame for morning security professionals because they were using it to steal people's passwords and this is just the stuff we know about and know they're not doing this to catch terrorists someone does use that excuse and you have them explain why the n s a tapped the cell phone of germany's president angela merkel and then you might want to have them explain why the u s government is funding and arming al qaeda affiliated groups in syria this isn't about national security about the n s a has been up to we would end up behind bars for decades but those who control us government of somehow convince themselves that they not only have the right to do these things that anyone who dares warn the public about what they've been up to should be punished just like a bank robber trying to sue the person who doll nine want to talk about treason let's talk about trees the creation and the signing of the patriot act that was treason as it was is extension creation the signing of the n d a of two thousand and twelve two thousand thirteen two thousand and fourteen which continues to grant the military the power to detain anyone indefinitely without a trial that street in the n s a s domestic spying program that's treason to these are betrayals not just of the country but of the very principles your country was founded on it in tire news cycles been dominated by the bowe bergdahl saga yes the twenty eight year old soldier hasn't even come home or seen his family yet that hasn't stopped countless t v anchors from calling him a desert or a traitor and questioning whether or not he even deserved to be rescued in the first place and he's vicious attacks are working considering how bergdahl his hometown of hailey idaho has actually canceled his homecoming celebration believe it or safely to mind you we don't even know what really happened that night bergdahl disappeared but all we know is speculative drivel is exactly what the corporate media loves to thrive on and don't even get me started on the manufactured what's transpired here is sort of part and parcel of a larger policy that we're in the midst of a withdrawal from iraq without even any stay behind forces there there are no u s forces there today we're getting ready to withdraw completely from afghanistan look cheney i know that you want to see the entire middle east a leveled in two american strip malls and oil wells but newsflash obama ain't too different than your puppet bush and fact is what the draw from iraq was only to maintain bush's timetable and he's far from leaving afghanistan having just declared the us is leaving almost ten thousand troops in the country until these the end of twenty sixteen and why is everyone acting so shocked that the government negotiated with quote terrorists especially this guy the reality of it is that what we've done is to fund a criminal enterprise called the accounting network right and someone is paid enormous ransom not just the five which is bad but worse yet someone pa or some big oil shaker somebody used our butt for dollars but there was a ransom paid in cash for each one of them i guess somewhere in the round numbers of five or six million dollars to get  yup that's good old all over north mastermind me an infamous iran contra exchange when the us wait for a negotiated with the extremists in iran an arm them in nicaragua and seriously what the hell do all the indic think the military has been doing for the last twenty years in afghanistan ever since the occupation started this government has been paying taliban to guard posts and even to switch sides not to mention the ongoing talks being held between the us and the taliban in order to reach a peace agreement or perhaps the aspect of the story missed the most was one ton i'm obeying if these five guys released are quote the worst of the worst to get known then what about the seventy eight men who've already release years a by the on top of the review task force that's right seventy eight out of the remaining one hundred forty nine prisoners have been deemed completely innocent yet they remain and get most suffering  silence today obama could sign national security waivers to clear each of these men and send them home once and for all so while we celebrate the return of bowe bergdahl it's far past time for the today christopher green you're tuning into m t v alternative media television you know i'm really sick of listening to washington bureaucrats and wall street insiders tell me that negative interest rates and these low interest rate policies of the federal reserve in the e c b or somehow a part of the new paradigm and the new normal that we're now suddenly going to have sustained low interest rates into the future into infinity that somehow taking on excess overhead and gigantic amounts of more debt is in the best interest of the american people or the people of europe or the people of the world for that matter you know it's the same policies of the federal reserve this private criminal entity which again has an elected officials people like janet yellen that are screwing over everybody else screwing over the little guy driving up food prices overseas so that people suffer and can't get enough food while at the same time distributing and transferring of wealth from the middle class to elites you know i just watch some idiot from pimco the latest hire a bill gross because i've gotten some kind of egotistical war and fight with the other guy smile from ear to ear like he was the joke that everything's going to work out that historically low interest rates are somehow a part of their quote unquote new normal and this is just how it is you know it doesn't matter that everyone else is getting screwed it doesn't matter that the little guy savers retirees can't get a return on their investment anymore can invest in a bar and get five percent back on an annual basis because these scumbags who are on the inside a wall street are getting free money at the federal reserve open window a percent and they're taking interest rates over at the e c b in europe to the negative range again all this shows demonstrates and proves to you in the american people in the world at large is just how disastrous of a situation we actually have in the united states of america from a little guy in the form of bailouts forty five billion dollar bail out the companies like bank of america courtesy of taxpayers because the same scumbags have been running the show and you know driving the entire country into the ground k goldman sachs should be driven into bankruptcy which was the exact position they were putting in two thousand and eight you know you've got people and investors billionaires like warren buffett that the idiotic americans worship like he's some kind of god he's part of the same scumbag cartel that accepted bailouts and is criminal investments and goldman sachs in two thousand and eight otherwise you would have lost billions you know i think these people rationalize in their mind that somehow they're doing it for the american people or their they're doing it for the pocketbooks you know if warren buffett in these figures of people worship like some kind of god actually cared about the american people instead of cozying up to president barack obama during the two thousand and eight crisis and showing his allegiance to these scumbags emperor that is now the king of the us as a you want to said something if he was the real oracle of omaha if he was really just a regular do drives a pickup truck who really gave a crap about the american people in general because everybody that's getting screwed in america today is you i is the people of the world it's the little guy it's the average person that has a monarch in the white house right now calling the shots whether or not it's the national defense authorization act or it's the release of five extreme taliban terrorists they go out and kill more americans for some scumbag all walked off his base due to his own volition help the taliban have make bombs to kill our own u s soldiers overseas in places like afghanistan you know someone asked you to chris what do we do you know how do we impeach the president how can we take action you know just the fact that people would ask that shows how little power we actually have here in the united states of america and i suppose that representative government you know the people in america are the ones that should have all the power that's how our country was set up by the founding fathers a representative government not a selective monarchy which is the case today it's not even election it's just a selective monarchy by corporate america you know if we want to impeach the president and people want to get rid of them calling our senators write your senators call your congressman write your congressman and demand that he's a peach and if they don't bring charges of impeachment against the president fire every single man woman and child in congress and the senate and put people in power that actually represent what you want you know we got a few people talking about it like marco rubio out of florida we got the tea party talking about it but we need to take action folks again this is a constitutional republic it is a representative government and the little guy is getting screwed by these scumbags leaders at the very top upper echelon of wall street and washington d c bottom line is they don't care folks as long as they keep the easy drip of money this bullshit money backed by nothing  christian russia that is it's a win win for both american jewry which hates christian russia and yes nato's leading hawk poland first stop on obama's e u tour was warsaw where he launched his billion dollar cold war plan i've come here first and foremost to reaffirm the enduring commitment of the united states to the security of poland we're on track with our missile defense program including intercept here in poland as we saw this morning our american aviation detachment here as the first regular presence of u s forces in poland we continuously rotate additional personnel on aircrafts into poland and the baltics just made about an even greater commitment will increase the number of american personnel army and air force units continuously rotating through allied countries in central and eastern europe and calling on congress to approve up to one billion new lease on life with its historical hatred of orthodox russia poland reportedly trained right sector thugs just before the kiev coup on the very tactics they used in their murderous pen even vowed to lead france out of nato stopping france from implementing orders coming out of washington with nato funded mainly by washington and washington driven by jewish interests nato is just another jewish neo con affair victoria nuland jewish crowd complete with her warmongering husband robert kagan is rejoicing that a new cold war is being launched by  european reassurance initiative what's required is a transatlantic renaissance a new burst of energy we have to be that beacon together we must lead or we will see the things that we value and our interest influence reseed it means funding and putting in training our militaries to be ready to defend our freedom and advance our security interests wherever they are needed and abroad there is no place where our generosity and our experience and our ideals are more needed today than on europe's own periphery and finally my kagan he is my mars he's my venus he's my planet earth that's right needleman her original last name it's a new burst of energy with a generous those of bombing more bloodshed in the name of jewish child it walker see right on europe's own periphery with russia it's jewelry that's at war with christian russia and they're dragging america and the rest of the world into it you know and kagan could care less when it comes to words for the jews on their planet earth only the  welcome back to the corporate report podcast after a very lengthy hiatus of course i'm your host and navigator as always james corbet of corporate report dot com joining you on this thirtieth day of may two thousand and fourteen from the sunny climes of western japan and you're in  for a treat today you are not only going to get a podcast you are going to get a presentation or at least what was intended to be so because you see of course as we are coming to you on the thirtieth of may two thousand and fourteen it is not only the date on which the builder berg is meeting in downtown copenhagen with of course one hundred fifty or so of the most wealthy and influential people in the western world including captains of industry media moguls financiers government big wigs and royalty all rubbing elbows behind closed doors and out of sight of the media scrutiny but also there is a we the people build a burg counter conference that's taking place on the outskirts of copenhagen and is attempting to do a v yeoman's work of  standing in protest and standing in in opposition to that meeting and what it stands for that's going on right now behind the closed doors of the marriott hotel it's the open doors of the we the people build a bird conference and i was due to give this presentation via skype but unfortunately the the gods of skype were not cooperating so instead i'm recording this podcast and hopefully the conference organizers will still be able to use this video in some form for their conference so with that out of the way why don't we get into the meat and potatoes of this presentation it isn't why we must oppose building berg and that might sound a bit presumptuous because i assume if you are the type of person who is listening to this podcast in the first place you  probably the type of person who already has a pretty good understanding of why we must oppose building bergan i'm sure you can think of many pretty good reasons just off the top of your head and i am heartened to hear that of course i'm glad that there are more and more people waking up to the builder group and groups like it every single day and understand why this is something that needs to be opposed so my hats off to you if you already feel that you do have a lot of good answers to this question but i think there are at least two good reasons for asking this question and the first is so that we do have a good documented coherent answer that we can give for the people who are well maybe not so clued in the people who prefer to blend in with the crowd the people who look at the people who understand things about the builder group and others as the crazy black sheep fringe lunatic conspiracy theorists or however they want to marginalize those who actually care about the world in the things that are actually taking place in it because unfortunately although we are a growing crowd and the choir is growing each and every day we are still largely preaching to acquire and it's important to remember as i'm sure many of you do when you try to bring the subject up outside of your outside of your normal circles of friends and acquaintances just how few people really do understand these issues so it is good to have a coherent answer for these people about why we should oppose the bill de burgh group and i think the other reason that we should have an answer of this for ourselves is that because this is the answer to this question how we answer this question very much affects the second question the more important question that we'll have to ask once we answer this question which is how do we oppose the builder group so let's start providing an answer to this question for those out there who still don't quite understand why it is that this group this completely secretive group that's been in existence for over fifty years and a spent almost the entirety of that time completely and utterly unknown to the public at large again consisting of captains of industry financiers media moguls government big wigs royalty you name it very important people from across the board why is it important that we understand about this well of course we can just listen to our government leaders to get that idea this is a landmark event in the life of this and i hope all future governments it is our own vision to be one of the most transparent governments in the world open about what we do and crucially about w supporting the work of transparency international usa before government officials spoke as openly and loudly about these issues  transparency international was already bringing corruption out of the shadows sunlight being the best disinfectant and so i am really here first and foremost to thank all of you to seize this moment we have to use technology to open up our democracy it's no coincidence that one of the most secretive administrations in our history has favored special interests and pursued policies that could not stand up  somewhat as president i'm going to change that of course transparency and transparency it makes sense how could we possibly function with our democracies are representative government without transparency if there are people meeting behind closed doors in secret while it's quite obvious that we can't have anything resembling a representative government right because these these government representatives are meeting behind closed doors with the the captains of industry and others who want to to influence the government to work for them i mean it just makes perfect sense and so transparency being such a key part of the message and a core part of the being of these people these obama's and these clintons and these camerons these these political big wigs who make it such a core part of their message when they're out on the campaign trail that they're committed to transparency that's exactly why they so vehemently vociferous leant on the record oppose something like the builder wait just that oh sorry oh i'm getting word that actually all three of them have actually attended the build a bear group off to see scandals which we heard about in the lords last week  osborne and kenneth clarke and as far as i know there will be no statement in the house following it saying what happened and how it might affect government policy this is totally in contradiction to the government's commitment osborne sede in twenty ten that he was committed to the most transparent agenda this country had ever seen on the campaign trail in two thousand and eight hillary clinton and barack obama disappeared for a secret meeting near washington their and that morocco obama and hillary clinton have met face to face a closed door meeting comes just days after obama clinched the democratic nomination and just one day after hillary clinton's campaign announced she's planning to drop out of the presidential race campaign aides for both we had a desire candidates did attend at least one meeting inside the conference it's you mean we can't trust the clintons and obama's in camerons of the world to be truthful and forthcoming about their behind closed door meetings you mean they're maybe not all that committed to transparency in the first place the transparency that they admit is the only disinfectant to the secrecy in corporate law being which will undermine the entire idea of representative government to the extent that we want that in the end in the end anyway yes imagine that well it i s obviously and you know on its face a complete breach of the public's trust that these politicians continue to lie shamefacedly about their commitment to such things as transparency as they meet behind closed doors at such groups as the builder group but it isn't just about trust at least not in the u s context because in the u s specifically it's actually a felony law for these poll titian's to be meeting behind closed doors with foreign government officials this goes back to something called the logan act which was first instituted in seven hundred ninety eight by president adams against a pennsylvania representative named logan who was the local representative who went on to become a u s senator and he at the time was a pacifist who was found to be negotiating in private with certain french officials during the quasi war there at the end of the eighteenth century and president adams was so infuriated that someone would be going behind the american government back to be negotiating with an enemy that he instituted the logan act now the interesting thing about the logan act is it's never been used so we'll we'll have to keep that in mind but let's just read about this logan act quote under the logan act u s law passed during the infancy of the country by president john adams american citizens cannot negotiate with foreign officials without the authorization of the country according to the text of the logan act of seven hundred ninety nine quote any citizen of the united states wherever he may be who without authority of the united states directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent there of in relation to any disputes or controversies with the united states or to defeat the measures of the united states shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years or both and quote well that's pretty powerful that's pretty cut and dry it's pretty black and white that yes all of the s government officials at any rate who are meeting behind closed doors and build a bird should be imprinted fined if not imprisoned for their actions and in fact the multiple violators would deserve to have multiple felony counts levied against them if this was a system which was based rule of law but unfortunately if you're watching the corporate podcast again you probably know that the system is not based on the rule of law so it is quite unfortunate that the logan act has never and likely will never be used to prosecute anyone intending to build a bird group or any of these other secret groups and meetings that go on because of course the police are just there to maintain the status quo and to follow the orders of the people who are controlling them the people who are paying their checks the people who are attending t builder amongst other things so again i don't think we can look for justice in this regard but it is important to understand that at the very least there is a legal aspect to these types of closed door meetings it is illegal for these representatives to be meeting under the logan act which is a felony felony law under u s government law so at any rate it does apply to u s government officials or it should and that's one way that we could at least start to answer why we must oppose builder berg and for those  you living in countries where you cannot point to something similar like the logan act to explain why it is or should be illegal for your representatives to be meeting behind closed doors you might want to think long and hard about why it is that this isn't illegal in every country around the world but let's move on so we have the closed door meeting that we know is taking place and why do we care what's happening behind those closed doors yes of course there's wheelers and dealers and yes so well you know there's the b club and yes there slapping backs and greasing palms and doing deals we know that takes place to a certain extent we'd be naive to think otherwise but that's just the way it works it's the way it's always worked why should we care what's going on behind that closed door i mean did you hear brad pitt just got punched by some random person who broke into a movie premier or something i mean that must be the what leads the news right why why do we care about what's going on behind closed doors well to start answering that question why don't we go in take a look at the roots of the builder birth group and we'll start by taking a look at this logo i'm sure some of you out there in the audience will probably immediately be able to recognize this logo but before we get into exactly what it is and why it's important why don't we just examine this logo for a moment of course here we have the image of a man riding a white horse and the white horse of course could be seen as a symbol of one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse the white horse being the horse of conquest and the horse of conquest is rearing up over a banner which ubiquity which in the english language is the root word of ubiquitous which might give a hint as to what it means it is of course a word that means everywhere what we have here is an image of conquest everywhere and what is this the founded at about the same time as the royal institute of international affairs one of its many brother organizations and sister organizations around the world that was the royal institute of international affairs being based of course in britain but the council on foreign relations has an interesting history in a lot of different ways than one that actually relates in some ways to the kernel of the idea that became builder berger eventually and for this we can go all the way back to the second world war where back in one nine hundred thirty nine as early hundred thirty nine before the u s was even involved in the war the c f r had founded something that they called the war in peace studies group this was found as i say in one thousand eight hundred nine and continued its work until one thousand nine hundred five funded with some three hundred and fifty thousand dollars provided by the rockefeller foundation now this group petitioned for the state department to create a committee that would set america's post war foreign policy and to be provided with research and by the c f r study group and that's exactly what happened in march of one nine hundred forty two the state department set up just such a committee it was indeed furnished with research by the c f r as war and peace studies group hundred five in which it provided literally hundreds of pieces of research including papers and and policy papers and others that were provided again to the state department through that committee that was set up in march in and what actually resulted from that well among other bodies such augusta bodies as the un's world bank and international monetary fund which were both heavily proposed and levied for by the group in the one nine hundred forty one nine two including with articles in its in the council on foreign relations foreign affairs publication it was also the place where in the early one nine hundred forty s there was a heavy emphasis placed on the idea that the would need to be in the post war period more of a consensus along the transatlantic lines i e the united states canada should be more in line with europe when it comes to foreign policy decisions and of course that only makes sense in an environment post war environment in which the transatlantic relationship was being cemented in a lot of very concrete ways not least of which of course being the cementing of the nato treaty but in one hundred forty nine and so it was that the  for the idea of what became the builder group was actually proposed by the c f r c f r as war and peace studies group working as the research arm of a us state department committee in the early one nine hundred forty s during the war and that idea persisted what didn't necessarily originate from that group and it didn't certainly didn't end there and it was taken up by others but it did start to become something that was very very much taken up as a cause by other people and when we start to look at the people who actually went on to found the builder group we can look at such people as these and just looking at the pictures can you identify who we're talking about likely not to in fact before i looked up these pictures i certainly would probably would have failed this test as well but on the left hand side of the screen we are looking at prince bernard of the netherlands someone whose name often comes up in relation to the founding of the labor group and he is certainly one of the best known of the founding members of this group and perhaps for good reason of course prince bernard is well known for his monthly proclivities which he denied all of his life but in two thousand and ten a dutch historian uncovered documents proving that he was a member of the nazi fraternity deutsch a student the he was a member of the nazi n s t the a p and its paramilitary wing the storm of tail and so these connections have been downplayed by people who point to prince bernard's wartime record he opposed the nazis he was an anti nazi through and through he may have had to have joined certain organizations in his youth to go along to get along but when it came when the when the rubber met the road he showed his true grit and he was and he nazi but hold on in two thousand seven there was mainstream coverage of a scandal that that broke because of some dutch journalists who again uncovered some documents that proved that when he was on the board of k l m he was using that and on the board puts a petition switzerland to help nazis escape to south america after the war so again another huge scandal that somehow or other managed to get mostly swept under the rug and people still tend to think of prin really as a nazi those are just smears even though there's multiple lines of evidence showing that he was on board with the nazis and it is another line that we could take to pursue that is quite interesting that in fact it was one nine hundred thirty four in which he dropped his membership of those nazi organizations that we mentioned earlier when he went to join the german industrial giant i g farben and i g farben is particularly an interesting organization for a number of reasons that i'm sure a lot of you are familiar with but one of them is that because in two thousand and nine there was a researcher who uncovered documents relating to a meeting that took place in august of one thousand nine hundred four where the nazis were meeting with some of the top industrial and business leaders of germany at the maze on lou's hotel in strasbourg and what resulted is what's called the red house meeting at which representatives of such groups as i g farben were discussing with cops and top nazi generals who understood that germany was going to lose the war that in order to form a fourth reich the german business elite would have to start basically transferring transferring their wealth out through neutral countries like switzerland and setting up front organizations across europe in the hope eventually setting up a pen european institution that would become the fourth reich and the fourth reich would not be a military organization like the third reich it would be a financial one and it would be pan european in nature  does that sound familiar to anyone well enter the person on the right side of the screen the much less well known one joseph reading or and reading or is perhaps familiar in certain contexts as a key member of a european movement that spawned the european union he was one of the people who initiated the first build a bridge meeting in one thousand fifty four he brought prince bernhard and others on board with the idea including then the cia had to walter bell smith who consulted with the state department in the president about the idea and former belgian prime minister paul van zealand amongst others so these are two people who have very interesting histories who were there at the beginning at the formation of the build a bird group and of course what did we get from the very foundation the very inception of the build a bear group we got the idea that the group was working towards well world domination over mentally but a very specific type of world domination this isn't just the crazy ideas of some crazy scientist with a big map in his drawing room as we would be led to believe by hollywood characters this is actually a very detailed and very very insidious plan that involved the merging of political economic and social interest institutions across the atlantic through the transatlantic partnership that were being formed during this period into a fascist stick corporate governmental structure and we can get glimpses of this from the documentary record that exists of the early goldenberg meetings including snippets of audio recordings that have finally come to light of the very first build a brick meeting  netherlands at the build a brick hotel in one thousand nine hundred four including a very interesting presentation delivered by a gardener cowles an american attendee of the first deliberate conference who talked a little bit about the notion of a shared foreign policy across the atlantic ere seems to be no human at a among our european friends with us and the question should have should be darn in asia this raises the question of course of a unified foreign policy for the atlantic nations to underlie that needle military pact that had just been signed a few years earlier as we talked about and it also harkens back to the c f r as war and peace studies groups recommendation for exactly this type of body that the builder berg was to become which is a body for an institution or a grouping for people to talk people in positions of power and influence to talk about these transatlantic alliances and how it can be shaped into a coherent foreign policy well just a decade after the c f r as war and peace studies group was proposing it here is people like gardner cowles and prince bernard and jewels of writing or in many many others sitting there discussing exactly that how they can more closely meld the foreign policy aims and objectives of the atlantic nations including of course the united states and canada and all of the european nations who are convening at builder burge or more accurately the there would be ruling all of arks the powers shouldn't be over top of those nations so it was that in one nine hundred fifty five the builder burgers met twice in fact and the third ever build a bridge meeting occurred in september of one hundred fifty five the second taking place earlier in the year and the third meeting was the meeting minutes have since been leaked they're available online and of course a link to them at corbett report dot com so that you can actually find them and read them for yourself but there are some pretty interesting snippets from those leaked documents including the fact that the builders were talking quite frankly about the quote pressing need to bring the german people together with the other peoples of europe into a common market and quote which is again perhaps particularly significant in the power structure that was envisioned as the replacement for the third reich through a european economy common market to well what were remarkably similar languages being used here and then of course the leaked documents also reveal quote a plan to arrive in the shortest possible time at the highest degree of integration beginning with a common european market that sounds like a pretty concise and coordinated and very well thought out agenda and wouldn't you know it lo and behold just two years after that conference there they are at the treaty of rome signing the very documents that would become the foundation for the european union wow who woulda thunk it and just to put the icing on the cake and just to make sure that we understand who  attendees proposing the formation of the european common market as the stepping stone towards the the highest degree of integration possible with across europe and then two years later they're the ones sitting around the table right and if we don't understand by we i mean the general public if it's something that oh i'm not good at that i don't know anything about it then who is making all the decisions about science and technology that are going to determine what kind of future our children liv just some members of congress but there's no more than a handful of members of congress when he would background in science at all and the republican congress government the government runs us