welcome to pathways i'm jenny hartshorn your host and normally we go out we find our guests we go on location and we visit them it's great today i'm bringing in the most amazing chef who not only cooks incredibly tasteful food but it's healing food she's healing chronic disease and guess where she's going to do the show yeah you guessed it right here in my kitchen we're going to cook here we're going to talk about food we're going to talk about healing and and disease and all the things she's done and we're going to do right in my kitchen so i'm really psyched so let's go do it i was so excited when the doorbell rang and there she was the passionate cook of princeton dorothy mull herself whether of course she brought her fresh garden vegetables and i couldn't wait to sit down and talk to her about the suppers program i first got interested in eating for health because i got really sick and conventional wisdom and well meaning doctors psychiatry a psychologist a laundry list of different kinds of practitioners tried to help me and they they couldn't the only thing that was left for me was really changing the way i eat and exercising a lot this is from one thousand years old so ultimately when i was like almost fifty i found out all that time i'd had mercury poisoning so i wanted to basically start a recovery group that would do for people who have diabetes or panic attacks or you know any of these chronic illnesses that we're getting these days i wanted to do for them what for example alcoholics anonymous would do for a person who's going into recovery for alcoholism the structure of supper's it's really simple people can't believe how simple this is we get together in somebody's home or sometimes a church kitchen we cook together we eat together we have these educational experiments experiences and then we actually do experiments with food to find out like who feels better if you're on a vegetarian diet who feels better if you're off gluten and sugar who feels better if you eat more meat and then out of this come rothery comes and people get the kind of social support they need to make the changes this summer meeting sounded so wonderful and informative there really want to experience one myself it was even more impressive than dirt they had described the can rattle the fabulous results and the honesty and raw emotion when i came to the surface program there was something the group  it was safe for me it was a ritual thing for me but everybody knew it was over you don't like it was just my name is ruthie i joined the supper's program four weeks ago and i came because i lot of bloating and i was a wreck and i have tried many different kinds of diet programs but they just didn't work i was pre diabetic for a long time and really searching when i came to supper's program i instantly felt there was a connection there we were speaking i just fell in love with her and she has a very caring way about her and i just love her to death not too long ago i went to the doctor and you know my my diabetes the blood sugar was very erratic always open down very low sugars i would get dizzy and everything was cut in half because in four weeks the way i've been eating my blood sugars are now are level and soon as they turn around their eating habits then the inflammation goes down the blood sugar starts stabilizing so that's pretty pretty much the most common with all of the processed foods that we're eating and with all of the stressors and the things in the herbicides that are coming in we are destroying the trillions of organisms that are supposed to be living all through our tissues you also have the problem that the people you love and the people that you know are probably supporting a lifestyle that they love includes all their favorite addictions to it includes these behaviors that you just can't do anymore if you want to turn around these diagnoses i'm a coffee drinker in the morning i know now when i drink coffee how i feel so i try not to do it you know it's a process for me no one tells you you have to eat a certain way but the but feeding organically a match really has been a tremendous improvement for me and i love it food sourcing is tricked obviously the best possible food that we can have is the food the gross right here i get i have a huge garden i run workshops in it we use as much of that food as absolutely possible after that farmers markets local organic growers there where i would prefer to get the food i love getting the local grass fed meets and organic chickens but not everybody has access to perfect food and not everybody can afford it or has a car and didn't spend the time to get it so what we practice is suppers is called something called nutritional harm reduction and we just want people to do the absolute best job they can even if all they have is a conventional grocery store just do the best job you possibly can by sourcing and the one rule of thumb i will say it is so important to eat fresh vegetables that even if all you have is a conventional rosary store don't hold back ok lots of vegetables so other than my medications being cut in half i have so much energy now i'm able to walk a lot further i was so fifth from my off the ride is another thing i had i was so stiff that i couldn't even move no i'm able to walk i go up and down stairs up some recall for me you know i'm able to do some of the exercises like yogurt i do some yogurt and tai chee i watch this i have it on my t v so i do those type of programs i was no but able to do that i'm loving the fact that in five months six months from now i'm going to be a totally different person our program is transmitted through success stories so i've collected about one hundred thirty stories from our members we call it logical miracles because the transformations that take place in these people's lives look like miracles but it's not it's a very logical outcomes because once you get somebody the support that they need nutritionally with social support with access to the right ingredients they can turn around their lives and we've captured that in our book logical miracles if people would like a little bit more of an inside view they can come to our website which is w w w dot www dot suppers with an s programs with this and s dot org to separate programs dot org and it's all available six hundred recipes gluten free sugar free no hidden dairy no processed ingredients there is a world of information on that website i am promising you that once your brain in your body starts to feel the difference that you feel when you're eating fresh salads and cleanly sourced foods the feeling is so good that you will find the strength to give up these things that are keeping you fat sick and depressed now that i was informed about healthy eating i couldn't wait to get into the kitchen and have derth you show me just how this cooking was done i can't believe how brilliant you are new brothers and i got one out of you that was so informative so i got a bunch of food here capsules and sell it for a lot of money and health food stores you could just save yourself a lot of angsty and just put it in your food that is yeah that's what you do it's highly antiinflammatory it's empty microbial there are many reasons why we want term  inflammatory meaning that it's a food that's more like a medicine because at the root of just about all of the illnesses that we deal with chronic illnesses these days is inflation that's part of it so if you're in the habit of eating a lot of turmeric you're you're pulling that down a notch i start with come and see it considered a nice little something three dimensional in there there's ground coming because sometimes you don't want the seeds in the air koori gander cardamom hammer the turmeric all ways and this one is a i'm starting with turmeric because everybody wants turmeric and they're curry let's see i want this to sizzle or i burn the butter i'm going to hurry up and i'm going to get in some  new moment when the spices become slightly smoky an aromatic i'm going to stir them all around in here and it takes it's a matter of seconds it's foaming in the air it'll foam no matter what kind of fat you a certain slightly smoky smell and then we can jack up the heat again and then we can jack up the heat again and this is sort of optional how long you can let this go if it is really nice flavor if you let the onion spoke in there for a while so we can do one of those walk with have a song or you can put absolutely you can put salsa in and actually i don't care when that goes in the most important thing is to get the aromatic herbs released or the spices released early on in the process we chopped up zucchini that's going to go in here that will seem down that'll steam down a little bit so i'm going to let that cook for a minute before we put the you to do that at the last minute got it the green vegetables the green herbs they want to go when the water based foods are in the pasta that would be the chicken as yeah well you need your you need your sauce you can put a little oil and  bread that indian people make out of lentil flour and the reason it's a real boon to my existence is that we have so many people in the program who absolutely can't have a gluten and it doesn't matter if you have celiac disease if you've got a problem with inflammation you are absolutely sure that it's not caused by we then one of the best experiments that you can do is to go without wheat for a while find wheat substitutes like this and see if your information goes down like you know like we'll do ok oh my god this looks like a i said that's there that's there now take a look at this color if soon as you see this many colors you know that there are these antioxidants there are all these properties in these pathways we'll see you next time thanks so much for watching