so having just come back actually was in syria last week how europe can really get a sense of the momentum that's really building out our training classes for the forces we're training are all full and we've more recruits so we can train so it's really kind of taken on a really positive  sure that their capability development continues you know the only you know your future they will have the capability to be self sustaining i say near future a look at the near future of three five years i mean it's it's it's a it's an effort that's going to take some time but there is a next phase in iraq and syria is the next phase for us more broadly is to expand our information intelligence sharing which was a strong theme of today again to make sure that we cut the connective tissue the enabling  support of the philippines has receded and so this is all about again making sure that these local efforts ingredients are all benefit from the framework that we have in place for a broader global th sinai or a smaller presence in east africa but i was i don't think it's fair to say that we've seen a large flow of isis influence or large flows of isis leadership into africa fact that's exactly what we're trying to pr demonstrate a chatroom what it is i mean it can only be edge so many people will treat people the way they treated a horse or rock and those stories are good enough if you know people who actually were motivated to join and have to return back home now and expose the truth about conceptual levels of this year they actually have now established a center in saudi arabia and you know over the next year we expect that their initiative will start that will start to pay dividends so i really do think those forty one a lot of nations are the ones that they have the most question you know we track their propaganda week to week it's it's really interesting because three years ago most of their propaganda when you looked at it was actually the past positive message that was the vast majority of the propaganda it was this word historic movement conjoined you know come to the homeland these kind of sun drenched seeds of families and friends that's kind of most of the propaganda and i think that actually did attract a lot of people you know whole families came for a time they don't do that that's not in their very smaller segment of any community still a huge problem one horseman tells channels but it's not they can no longer do this mass appeal so and there's there is a religiously based messaging component to their propaganda that's in the price of admission is willing to come into the tent and exchange information but the the one thing i think i've seen in terms of comparing this year to last year is the common understanding of the nature of the threat is is that in my judgment much more sophisticated than even twelve months ago and so just that can help make our operations more effective and frankly it can't help but have these chiefs of defense return home can have an effective conversation with the political actually it is getting to the point where the security challenges in these hidden respective countries will regions can be dealt with largely by local security forces with a minimal amount of international support i think is going to be something rational support required in many of these locations for some time to come just given the the governance issues economic issues that they confront but getting that down to the level makes his sustainable effort and that's one thing we also spoke about is that if this is in fact a generational struggle in the sense that the underlying conditions at the extremism and terrorism will take a generation to address the military dimension has to be sustainable over time so it needs to be sustainable from military perspective sustainable from a political person sustainable from success by the philippines is certainly said that africa back in so i describe it in broad geographic here is good in that that really is probably captures the essence of our conversation today when the norther operators are trying to regional terrorist organization and when the groups that maybe you're going to find themselves as isis can be dealt with by local security forces that would be that be my perspective or correct your ear for success and again the thing only emphasized today in that part of our conversation was that this wasn't all about isis right this was about piling extremism and that's something i think we're going to be dealing with for some thunder come will be other permutations of the of the isis movement in the opportunity to anticipate and be up front i think it's fair to say two years ago we were reactive and i think as a result of what's happening in iraq and syria real opportunity to get up for the enemy i think it's fair to say that isis is