this harold channel has had a long running public access cable television program in new york city called conversations where and we've talked with over the long haul a great number of systems thinkers and i had this program is a little unusual in that we essentially a presentation that was made to a class of a friend of mine dr robert danin at new york university his class the crisis the modern american city he asked me to come in on april th of one thousand nine hundred to talk to them about public access cable television and i agreed to do so on the stipulation that we might be able to try and mess that within a systems pattern of understanding and that's essentially what this one hour presentation is it invokes the philosophy and systems thinking  it is this program is neither a right wing or left wing it is essentially attempting at a new idea in terms of the way in which the world systems are are evolving and there's far more information that can be put within a one hour program we ask you to bear with the many cabbie outs you may have in your mind as you listen or view the program and we begin the program in view of the overwhelming amount of information trying to be conveyed with the words of william blake thank you for viewing william blake once said the way toward wisdom is through access i don't know how you can sit down and really for a think about that but you're going to get far too much thrown at you now and so bear with communications pattern of the country called access television it's given very short shrift it's thought of as wayne's world is thought of as narcissistic egos bouncing around because it's the hyde park corner of communication no gatekeepers theoretically no gatekeepers is open to anybody you can go to this place and you can make a press where i do it i liked it access television i do believe in because it's open to everyone it's got an open architecture and in fact free free it's every you you get the cameras you get the editing you get everything it's noncommercial there's no money involved in terms of that the only rule is that you can if you do a program you can't make money so in this world where everybody in the only kind of value at least as i begin to see that has any meaning or resonance in our society now is making a buck that's the only thing you can almost hear in the street normal world but in public access no money is to be made so that's an example as noncommercial is it possible to have a world that is noncommercial is one of the themes that i want to talk about but it's open to non monetary based communication secondly it's sort of in a sense of the early example in a kin to what are the noncommercial aspects of the internet the internet  it's a model that might be a model for other non commodity based venue's for emerging affluent lee leisure an expression of the free human spirit i'm an optimist i think that we're coming to a time of general affluence on a planetary scale for all and we're going to be coming to a time where the monetary concentration of the concentration we can on economics is going to be superseded by a new emerging surplus capability that we've come upon which takes us into the last mankind is two hundred thousand years we evolved st roll mitochondrial d n a linked in from a common ancestor to africa two hundred thousand years ago and finally after two hundred thousand years of hard grind and so forth my contention is and there's some backup for that the human society as a system run spaceship earth we have transcended scarcity as an ontological reality scarcity as a reality in terms of how we're going to arrange ourselves on the earth no longer is something that can be proclaimed and be appropriate to what the reality is a lot of historically inherited institutions all of them in fact are upon the concept that there isn't nearly enough to go around that we have a condition of scarcity within which we will relate to one another and those institutions are all around us yesterday don't go and do what no no no no that's us i'm not talking about the institution i think it's better you don't bring up questions because there's going to be this and that and this reductionist thing and that reductionist thing in this thing it doesn't make sense you just don't bring them up it's better you ruminate on it and so there's too many little questions that could come up that's why i told you i was going to i think it's better you know you know just just take it in let me try and get this down and through and then you can deal with it you know everything because it's always that way when you're looking at don't mean to be i love i would love to sit down and talk in detail about that but it will never get onto i cut ten of these things you know i get it gets to you tried anyway this is something i contend this is something that a few people have contended some system thinkers have come to this point and that was there some sort of a transformation that's going on that doesn't make any sense also it does not as she indicates say that we have caught up with that we have not that's one of the crisis of the modern world is we haven't caught up with th with the with the pistol logical reality of the reality that the technology has brought to us has not been caught up to yet by our established institutions it's about to i think we're about to just have an awakening in terms of the political economic and so for the organizing assumptions of the country and the planet all of our systems are authoritarian all of our systems are based primarily upon a system of keeping people in line and control by economics by and large i would contend i largely economics and by the allocating out through labor distribution of income people are kept in control you come to university he's i like free universities in the public access and the internet in a se a university of that is free without constructors of time patterns like that clock in the morning when you have to get up and over it but anyway the fact that we've transcended scarcity if we  that's true if we no longer have a condition that is characterized by scarcity as a reality a long hard grind that is the most fundamental in terms of true will is the most fundamental transformation that's ever occurred in the history of mankind because it means that we have and it's also incredibly disruptive to all our social institutions if it is true that we have transcended scarcity in fact we're galloping into a non scarcity reality innocent not a reality capability of providing for everyone that we have that we have not had historically some of these people that i've just got a few names appear to work too are buckminster fuller we mentioned look him up if you haven't been in touch with him you should be in touch with made the man the person most important person of the century and he's a fantastic for a philosopher nominate a man and so forth george and i brought in a tape with somebody at least you all think that this is all crazy liberal radical kinds of thinking which i played in a certain sense guilty too but i brought in tape by somebody else george gilder who was way out in the right wing way out there in the right we're going over there he's going around these days saying the same thing we've transcended scarcity as a reality we need new systems that are going to be able to deal with the emerging reality the architecture of all our old institutions won't work for a condition where we're expecting people to be in a certain sense at a certain i hate to say it slaves to a certain kind of system that is not relevant to the situation that emerging and i brought in a little piece of tape that will show him in a minute and then last but not least the one that i'm most interested thing i'm most interested in trying to get some across to you and i'm going to is a felony louie kelso we've done  it is not that we've changed genetically or biologically since cro magnon or off or since the earliest homo sapiens sapiens what changes technological interest is the technological extensions of our consciousness this changes important conference and it involves because i believe we are by and large as wage slaves as wage earners as people are going to make money for our labor input to production are very rapidly being put on the dustbin of history as wage earners as money makers as people who are able to produce and contribute to production human beings are going to be replaced in my view rapidly by technologically augment it expert systems they call them and other kinds of systems that are going to require people to sit in little corners and do adding things and everything not just even stock brokers they're making these things about what they're going to having such high value placed on what they do they're going to be replaced by computers advanced driv except coming now to where you're not going to need and it's a real problem you're not going to need people to do what we've called jobs and that's not just like wheelbarrows i mean that's intellectual things as well we're going to be able to do away by and large with people and it's going to be a real problem because all of our social institutions are predicated upon hierarchial systems of authority and that sort of thing where people are taught to do what they're supposed to do it's freedom is coming it's going to become within your generation and it's very very frightening to the way the system is work the way the system is set up it's a great and wonderous time to be alive because this is a time of in my view of liberation but that's a difficult we're about to leave the room with that we've been in throughout the human experience i've come into a new relationship to the cosmos and that's i was scared when i left truth i didn't want to end it but prime primarily the primarily the institutions that are holding  back is not technological is not knowledge it's not the ability of how to make things work it's not ecologically appropriate kinds of ways of making the earth work for everybody in a material context to allow everyone to participate maximum in terms of their inner given directed sense of participation a willingness to do like jamming you know without a score maybe but it's not that is the primary problem far as i'm concerned i've been looking at this for a long time if there is a problem is going to do the problem it's economics we do not have an einstein of economics we had einstein's in physics that i started everything we are still plugging along with the same economic assumptions in the one principle that there are firmly convince there isn't nearly enough for everybody we have to have zero we have to have you know it's got to be very carefully doled out we've got to keep people dependent upon the institutions that give them the material comfort or even basi security and so forth and to keep social order and this is something that's going to they're going to be challenging this is the system is going to be challenged by this and it doesn't make sense when you look around and you see people have to world is starving and so forth we're talking about an abstract capability that we now have that we haven't had historically so it's going to be how we're going to chief this is something that i'm very interested in ok i got to move on because i want to go through a few fuller he is the most i eased my candidate for the most important st and perhaps of the th century but this is a chart that he put together i think it's an idea isn't integrities but essentially what he said is that you can see the chart those can you see can you see you guys or not or maybe you don't well i'll tell you what it says it started this is don't pay attention to zero it couldn't be zero you see there to be a thing it's that it's just the idea the idea is that through time and technological capability we've built up he  talked about haves and have nots in the world we have haves and we have have nots we have this principle as i do we're talking about with these bankers last night either and he said that about all of history lesson one percent of the population were haves the kings most of us were wallowing around in the mud as most of us were born of slaves or you know in a very real situation but through technological hey we get the steam engine we get the printing press we get these things and through technological capability and extension of our capability we slowly gain in terms of the number of people who could be seen to be haves relative to our augment it technological capability of providing life support slowly slowly slowly so we get up to world war twenty one this is  game really important source of info thinking will only get up to maybe ten percent of the world's population could be seen to be have world war two we get up to here and he was writing this was written in one thousand nine hundred and fifty two this chart and he had  where certain percentage of the world population on a systems thinking could be seen to be haves and he said we had a twenty year period of imminent crisis to all of our human institutions as you can see here twenty years of imminent crisis out from one thousand nine hundred and fifty two to where we reached the point where he called here the critical point he wrote a book it's all over stone favorite book critical path but he wrote a point i think the critical path is he said was here when we reached the fifty percent mark that we were gaining the technological capability was gaining and he said we reach that critical point and he said it would probably be around nine hundred and seventy two is projecting from one thousand nine hundred and fifty two the man was a genius he was so i mean talk about you know distance or what we actually reached that point we accelerate a little bit we reached that point in one thousand nine hundred and seventy we crossed a point where there are in the world in terms of augmented technological capability more have have nots not that the systems and the systems of justice and distribution reflect that but the ability was there and from that period on they had in the note from one thousand nine hundred and seventy s it was not necessary any longer for us to assume that there is not enough the idea of scarcity we've transcended that not that it's not that it's in the political economic systems at all it's not in fact some of the schizophrenia we feel as a result we haven't caught up with that ontological reality that we transited scarcity it's a well it's a lot to chew it's a lot to absorb but that's when we crossed it that was the major paternally point was the year nine hundred and seventy that's what bobby dylan was singing about for you were younger bobby dylan's of the times they are changing and understand it was going on particularly we weren't able to get it together in terms of an economic system that would make possible a world built upon this emerging new reality partly because we are caught up in the left brewing dialogue and also get to chance it into we were caught up in these labor theories of value because we think of human beings if you get a job and you go out and get something to work that you get paid for you should get value back for what you do you know for your hard work in the preordained ethic and the marxian analysis of surplus value labor and other kinds of things we weren't able to get taught in economics that we still haven't that's why there's so much anx around the world in my view we haven't caught up with the system we're going to have the security in the be the absolute total abundance that is coming now that is if we make it anywhere in one thousand nine hundred and seventy was a principle year in my view and i'm going to have to go through this quickly i'm afraid but this is a quote from this is the work this is from jay baldwin he was a student and a close associate of fuller's and he said i'm going to have to go through this fast you can't go through reading all this but the point is we're blessed with  it you can read it but and this chart if you want to we get them to you and it says i mean the main point is we have never and this is two hundred thousand years of human history so we should be a little easy with ourselves two hundred thousand years o revolution so i just make that point i mean the reality is such and now it's galloping with moore's law and all these kind of capabilities of using intellectual capability we're galloping into a world of abstract taken that point of view but here is what it is of course i think yeah so fuller mcluhan shy dean maybe i should let's just take a minute for the right wing the real right really really white wing and play how do i make this work no information a lot of information has become a reigning cliche is that food no food scarcity has just been a cover  barrels of oil in colombia and he also has demonstrated that reserves of natural gas are virtually unlimited that you know the french fears of natural gas used to be imagined to be able above a one thousand feet or so and he's ten thousand feet and he's pursued down to thirty five thousand feet and demonstrated all around the world virtually unlimited reserves of natural gas so our energy reserves today are larger than ever before in human history is that the electronics spectrum electromagnetic spectrum in washington you find a lot of heavy breathing experts talking about running out of air but the fact is the electromagnetic spectrum as  communication but and of course in washington they believe the electromagnetic spectrum is scarce because it's have we regulated by government and government regulated saying we would soon be running out of silicon for microchips so in general measured by the declining cost of virtually all natural resources declining real cost demonstrated by julian simon of the university of maryland natural resources are becoming more abundant year after year so all these things from information to natural resources are in fact becoming more the point is here's george gilder talking about we are going around and a lot of people think we're crazy if you go around and you say that we live in a world where not we're scarcity as a fundamental assumption is not making that the whole world falls apart the way it is organized it's all organized on the allocation of scarce resources economics is called the science of the allocation of scarce resources the idea you see it's it is more challenging th the economic problems in the problem is we distribute income i would say the main problem is we distribute income almost universally income is distributed to us you and i and most of the folks of the world by labor criteria or augmentations of that labor criteria that is you are going to go out to make your way and you're going to get what they call a job that you're not going to go out and on a robot you're not going to go out and own a piece of technology or anything sort you're going to have what they call a job and then you're going to get paid by the fact that you are participating in that production you get paid for that that's how you're going to make money make your will that idea in my view the engine is obsolete people are being phased out and they ought to be from the economic equations of a labor based distribution of income and it's a real problem because all of our systems are predicated upon that the ownership of the technology the ownership of the technology person who owns a robot if you give credence right wing if you give credence to the institution of private property we're live unfortunately perhaps in some people's mind in a world that karl marx  foresaw where we would distribute to each according to their need there's a lot of need in the world we don't live in that kind of word apparent maybe it'll come up some people think that it will be revisal of the idea that we're going to distribute everybody according to their need in a socialist or marx in what we don't live in that we live in a capitalist world for all of the soviet union has created that kind of a situation and all of the capital assets make a point all of the capital assets that are increasingly responsible in a ratio with labor you have laborers input to production you have technologies input to put our non labor input to production we put all of the emphasis upon labor because we want to give value to the human being you want to get rewarded in a behavioral psychologist skin area and mase world where you get rewarded or punished by what you do and keep you in the track and so for the want to do that psychologically you get a sense of identity and other things we've kept all of that kind of thing  distribute to almost everybody but the ownership of the robots the ownership of the technology of the capital assets is held by a miniscule the ownership of that by which they get income back because they own the thing that's producing the wealth is held by a minuscule number of people in the world and in our country so for maybe twelve percent five percent probably only over eighty five percent virtually in real terms on an individual basis despite mutual funds and other things virtually all of the technological non labor aspects of our of our of our technology of our of our economic system and they gain overwhelmingly income by stock options is over they do very very well the mass of the people are being marginalized and they're going to be able to be phased out of the productive process so their input to technology their input to production based on labor and their outtake of income based on their labor participation their value their labor they contribute it's becoming less and less in touch with the real world because their input in real terms is less important with computer expert systems with other kinds of things that can supplant human beings were in real doodoo as mr dick mister bush used to say we have a real problem and we don't have an economic system that in some sort of way has an alternative way of distributing income either than through jobs or transfer payments government intervention in the marketplace we don't have a marketplace oriented system and the world calls for that i don't want to use a lot you know this is a quote from a book i recommend really very much now this is a child's hand he's written a book he's a management consultant out of england in a writer and he's written a book it's called the hungry spirit beyond capitalism the major problem this is a major problem this confronting us in view of the scsi yaller being obsolete obsolescent is economic wage slaves sorry to say that the good side might be possibly you know the good side might be that we need some sort of an economic system that is relating to the way things are actually being produced and so i'm going to gallop along there's a lot of meat in this you know and you're right we've got tremendous economic problems in the ghetto so for th i understand that but ok going to gallop along ok and now to much this is a fellow i'd recommend this is the fellow  kelso is somebody that i'm really taken with everybody was involved in the one thousand nine hundred and sixty s with mcluhan fuller normal brown and these other kinds of philosophers but for a mcluhan were two very important people i like louis kelso he's an economist he set up a system called i recommend it very highly to you it's called binary economics i think it's the economics it's going to emerge we don't have it now we have keynesian we have mr nixon one time said we're all keynesians now if you remember have for there and there's certain truth to that makes some sense maybe in some people's way of thinking but we don't have a systems economy the only one i can see that the tradition of the market economy won't work analysis doesn't work the traditional systems of analysis won't work the only one that i think has the best chance of providing the framework of an economic system that will set us free and bring us in line with our comprehensive understood technological reality is this one of binary economics i recommended to you all right he uses this is a begin this is an economic system to begin the part you can't go into detail right they get these things too you can read them after maybe but the part i wanted to point out it is private is market particularly if that's what you want we're going to create a world of general affluence where people can have what they need and so what we just don't have to make them get down on their knees to massa to get it and we're going to have to let people be free and that's something it's very difficult you're psychologists from rol may to eric from would say freedom is something that the last thing they want to do because it think this guy's got a book that's out now that i really like i don't know the name of the guy i don't know the name of the book exactly but it's about management of industry or management and the management is a great image because management is like trying to herd cats you know if you can imagine right right can't you get over there and in the people you're going to end up you guys you're young or you're going to end up being affluent lee leisure as a given in the world and it's going to be really difficult when the manage them down say are you go here you go there you go there you go there is i don't want to i don't gotta and you going to freeze like ice jam they want to jam and it works love it works it's not out exteriorize kind of behavioral psychology things are going to motivate you to do things of what and that's really something the people who are in positions of authority for the system now are aphorism a little saying he says in need that is when you're in need freedom is but late and you don't have freedom if you're in need you don't housing you don't have the things you need and if you do have those things then you get a different kind of world where people have that as a given that's the socialist ideal and we're going to be coming to the socialist ideal by the backdoor socialist ideas you be free in a certain sense from those kind of things that we're going to become free of those things but the point is we're going to be coming we're not going to we're not going to do away with what marx recognized or the socialist critique market recognizes the enemy of the enemy institution which creates an equity in the world the institution of private property rather than doing away with private property we are going to make everyone become or give everyone an ownership stake in the technological system of production and therefore have a claim upon income not based upon their labor but by their ownership right as a right that will be the pathway to which we will distribute income to the masses of people and free it up for people to be doing things other than what it economic system will tell them that they must do better if you can understand but anyway that economics again is defined the allocation of scarce resources and he begins to open it up and he says opening the private property system all people marking the unnatural scarcity and gross disparities that now prevails throughout the world can be replaced with the natural ride spread abundance leisure provided by the industrial revolution his is the only system louis kelso the only system who says they're being the purpose of the industrial and post industrial world in which we live is to put people out do something like important like gardening rather than going and selling puppy biscuits within the mad agency or whatever people do and think they're all you know getting value back for what they contribute anyway he has it now we're going to have to go workers to production to production compared with other things capital workers if you're capital or if you're capital owner you would have this if you had a state relative input so back in time jefferson's day this is the american republic you had a cobbler he had a hammer and he had a piece of leather and it took him eight hours to make one pair of shoes nice but it took eight hours tremendous import of labor to the production process that now is going like this and now it goes at expert systems and production and parallel processing and other kinds of advanced cybernetics that are coming lord keynes and that chart that i showed you technological unemployment is coming so this is a thing that we have and there's still distributing all income according to labor they're trying to go it off wall workfare get you women get off that get out there and pick up paper and get out and work fair we're never puritan ethic we're going to everybody's going to have a interview and the technology is all owned by a miniscule group they never concentrate on the ownership partly because the left has always thought ownership of property is evil institutions you don't have anything to do with the the  the enemy institution which is private ownership we've got to socialize everything right so in the meanwhile the guys that have all the ownership are just getting overwhelmingly wealthy at the top and they've got their collateral zation capability and we have nothing we've got a job at mcdonald's or something that they're going to make available to you or maybe you'll be able to find something that you know was at agencies the big manpower you know temporary temps there's a lot of room for two amps now because things are bouncing around they're just doing things to keep you ok real quick sorry this is lewis and lewis is the only one who says rather than distributing we've got to open up binary economics is there to imports to production it's not all labor based they wanted a labor based value because you see if you go out and do something you'll be rewarded for it like a boy scout if you call it sometimes on earned income if you get income by divid everything else capital intangibles patent rights all kinds of things you can do within the private sector of production and that's what that's what globalizing now we've got two big things globalization and technological displacement of labor to big things bob  kuttner talks about another story about it now we don't have an economic system that's going to make it bring justice within the system that is emerging and so we've got a lot of problems not only in the modern american city but in the world so in this is american concentration of ownership five percent owned it all we had a little bump up with the homestead acts and then it's there here five percent on it all and we still say let's get jobs for welfare women so they won't have to stay home or waste their time with the into you have a business and he had a thing where you can start a business in libya they'll even help you do it if you have one rule is a little different than here and i love it you know that one rule in libya if you start a business i saw some guys of the pasta factory and they were doing this thing they're going to export and the one rule is you cannot pay wages to anybody you can't hire anybody i loved it i just loved it that's a great way to do away with wage slavery is to do away with wages you  know marx not marx groucho marx one time did that in coconuts i think he said we all want to be wage slaves we'll take away your wages well it's true but in libya you have to be a partner you have to be an owner of the business that begins a precursor thing going to emerge in this country over the next months i think it's going to begin to start emerging so it's all owned by a few we've got to get over the idea that it is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong for anybody to have a piece of ownership of the technological aspects of production right that's the way the major way by the time you're adults the major way you begin comes not through your labor you have been the major way in which we're going to distribute income is through ownership so we have to democratize ownership in fact a little more obstruction that we have to democratize the means by which there is capital credited vans to individuals so that they have the ability to buy capital assets that will pay for themselves out of their future earnings as harold said if or and child to go if we stick to savings as the only way that we have capital for investment we're predicate or we're doomed to an eternal class struggle we have to begin to let the people and the body politic begin to get in on the notion of the logic of business finances you make an investment that will pay for itself out of its future earnings we can't be just to pay saying we're going to do it only out of the past savings that's one dollar of the thieves of binary economic you can follow that's the business of logic fight it and it has to be got through to all right to show you this is concentration of ownership go fashion it's two percent own virtually everything and they're doing real well and you just keep talking about getting more jobs for you folks and we'll find we'll just keep getting all the assets we distribute income this way we have the capital workers employed cause of capital workers people that own again i hate that word they were hating your own it's bad it's not right it's not so it was not communal and everything but i'm afraid it's going to do the capital assets are contributing ninety percent to the production we don't want to think of this but it's true capital assets are non labor aspects of production ninety percent they only get they get labor input workers maybe only ten percent used to be diverse time jefferson day it was different now is reversed and it's the technology that is creating the wealth and it's coming in niagara proportions into the new situation but the cap we distribute through transfer payments and through union organizer organizing people who get higher wages call boondoggle than according to their productive input to it we have notions of need we have notions of just generally accepted justice that people should have a living wage people should have a living wage is it just comes trippingly off the tongue they should get money for what they do they should get a fair wage we fought hard i'm from detroit where we fought for the labor unions my father my grandfather was a labor organizer you know going to get the labor guys organizing everything and then they never did negotiate for ownership those were the owners those are the boss those are the guys in the castle on the hill or something they've got the ownership will be the workers and we want to good which will we get and we've come to the situation that we're in now and the income is vastly in all economies is distributed through labor criteria in all countries here it's done as well so the people in that sense the people are really being not getting their fair return if you use the principle that people are going to get a return by their contribution to production if we did it that way the capitalists or the few the two percent or five percent that own all of the non labor aspects of production are being ripped off because they don't know if they got back what they really are contributing and if that's that's what the right wing people talk about when they say let's vouchsafe the institution of private property let's have corporate intangible you know intellectual rights and so forth but they do that but they're getting they're not getting back paid anything like what they are contributing to production the capital is not you know because we downplay it because we everything is structured on labor as the only valid input to production and so we're going to put things through labor higher wages and so forth but the capital cut to the reality is catching up with us and it's going to absolutely obsolete us as wage slave or job workers and we're going to come into an ecologically  one last thing i don't want to get so this is that i just say to print the idea is that we have to spread ownership we have to spread ownership to everybody as a principle means  distributing income because it brings that that will free us then if you're absolutely leisure if you're after only leisure that will free you to do what it is that you feel you want to do my dog i let him do what he wants i just let him become what he is rolo may and some of the psycho you all should be able to become what you are you become it's like a guy it's like jamming and it's got a musical metaphor the guy plays a sax he should play it it's like a love it's like all of the major aspects of what is the human spirit are not are can come out there's a brenna signs there's a renaissance coming the unprecedented in anything in the history of the human i we're going to be freed from these institutions and we're going to then be able to have we're going to then need institutions for the expression of the human spirit that are not based upon monetary or or out stimuli of reward and punishment it's going to be you're going to be at this institution because that's where you want to be and it feels right right now some people who are very control freaks and people who want control they want to for the expression venue's i would say would we need to have a sense of purpose we need to have a sense of participation and competence expression and so what we are going to need to have then use for expression of the human spirit that are not here feels right love all the important thing it's freedom to do that and so those things are better if you can understand what it's like so public access to bring around fulfill public access is television that is not commercial the commercial world grinds up souls that whole process of those people that grinds them they're going to have to be freed not to be ground up by the mass of nations of a mass produced commercial world it's got to be free to work its way to make the products computers television automobiles are all the kinds of things the modern well we have to have we have to have the means to participate and participate and they're going to in the end need to have people who have the ability to buy that which they're capable of producing so there's a logic binary logic it's much more involved than that but we need an economic system the stumbling block is the economics economic system that we have now mr clinton mr you know on the republican it doesn't get to it at all it doesn't get to this is the base is a little bit of what we're going to do and what's going to emerge one last thing i want to put up i've got a couple more i don't want to we're in order to do it and this is the details again like of you know there's all kinds of details this is what would be the general theory the way it requires a couple of changes in terms of the way the country is set up you're going to need there's not enough going to real fast there's not enough the reason they have such an advantage in gaining support is they can put up what they call collateral you make an investment is going to pay for itself if it doesn't you've got collateral you can let go if you have collateral you can make investments and therefore you build it up more and more so most of us don't have that most people don't they don't have anything how to put bread on the table they can't put up investments and so far they don't have collateral the banks are told to get lost if they go and try to get a loan and get in on the capital credit we have to get capital credit open to people so they can purchase assets that will pay for themselves out of their future earnings and bring the folks in  the logic of business right is in order to do that it won't work you have to have some sort of an insurance capability that has to be taking into account that we're coming out of this transcending scarcity kelso system is the only one that does even touches or opens upon that it does and then it has to you're going to need to have binary stock can be widely dispersed and there's going to need to be and it will be growing a casualty insurance like industry that will be ensuring that it gets lost there's a feasibility studies are all be there that kind of thing has to be there but there's going to be in one institution that they're going to bring into the federal structure so over here just to the left of the federal reserve board it's called fat capital rediffusion reinsurance corporation which will be an agency that puts the full  credit of the federal government behind this insurance industry against loss binary stock issues but it will include vastly increase the capital formation availability for us to do ecologically appropriate things that we know we're capable of doing and in general we will expand ownership to people as an income distribution system maybe i'll go back to the very st charge maybe you can look at it this is the end there's a lot you see his with blake was right when he said maybe he was right i don't know ok here we just need to recapitulate a little this is just about labor theory of value that we've got to get ourselves over somehow and that kind of thing but universities st capital ownership will increase ability of all to purchase what capital intensive automated systems are capable of producing expand market demand the big hotshots need us to buy what it is they can produce we should not get involved in that they will grind your soul don't get involved and turn it over to computers why should we leave it up to life well never mind but we have to be able to increase capital available for investment in ecological cost his or henderson talks about the cost of free air and water so we don't have any way of factory because we don't have a system that allows us to be thinking surplus we do know how to prevent these things we do be able to bring in nonpolluting different kinds of systems and so forth attack the causes of poverty lack of ownership in the modern world the lack of ownership ownership is the is the cause of poverty rather than its symptoms which are manifest in every got on our country and in our souls ourselves steadily increase the numbers need freedom is let there be less needful ness and require and thus require many non economic venues for the expression of the human spirit such as public access television no money the one rule television public access you can't make a buck at it you're not there to make money you're not there to make money you're not there to make money you're there to express what you feel now that is what they're going to be community theater all kinds of things jazz people all kinds of human things that you're not making money at there is no money made here that should be an ironclad rules so that the human spirit can express itself there needs to be another way for it to be done doesn't make any sense commercial world where nothing matters if you look at the world now as you do if you brought it up you look at the world now it seems the only thing that matters is money if you look at the world a certain way that's the only the only thing that any value is a kind of value to it well the part that's coming to an end i would say at least it would and hope we may have pointed you in the direction in a systems way we could see public access television as being one very important aspect of a communication system that is predicated upon something other than the commercial demands of the money marketplace those demands are going to go away for most of us and it's going to be open to providing so i'm optimistic that when we need above all else we need a huge police seen large economic system my contention for that the doing the bare bones of that is this system of binary economics where this fella look out but we can also but you have to be in touch with a lot of these other systems thinkers from the past is a run order to get a real hand out but it's a liberating time we're transcending two hundred thousand years of human history in terms of the evolution of the we're filling up purpose in terms of the the broader evolution of the universe it's a very very positive time we're about to leave the world was we just it just nicely timed as they certainly tried to cover a great deal in that in that presentation cabby outs and all we thank you for viewing soon after the talk was given a new book came out that i recommend at the ownership solution by jeff gates toward a shared capitalism for the st century and the endorsement which you are going to scroll by now are impressive carette it's got king mikhail gorbachev bill bradley jack kemp that you can see paul hawken and so forth a great number of people of dick gephardt mario cuomo our former governor and these people have signed on to this what is a comprehensive really seen view of economics and systems thinking that includes both louis kelso's thinking at its core and also the thinking of buckminster fuller much as we talked about michael manley as you can see and it's interesting that these response these people have signed on to the idea and could answer many of the questions that may have raised in your my there's james wolves and president of the world bank over this new idea it is also as you can see scans the gamut politically from right to left it is a new idea so it's not really something that is going to fit nicely into a preconceived ideology that may be a problem for some of these people on a larger responsibly placed individuals henderson the person would be recognized the schumacher society who would be responsible replaced and it's my contention these people will be able and rahm das these two would be able to answer many of the questions you might have so it's not income would have i'm entirely to do it i would hope and hope we may have addressed some of these in the systems way in a large scale when perhaps looking out into the future i'm particularly interested in the fact that build writer who had written one world ready or not the manic logical global capitalism and so forth might appeal to a number of the younger people in the audience and i think perhaps some of the they ought to get involved in this movement as well as the responsible people to scroll before and we'd like to reach a number of them as in any movement there are people at the core and in the case of the lewis kelso norman kirkland at the center for social economic justice in washington is a long time associate and per person who understands the things well robert ashford also he's at the the sarah hughes law college and the author of lewis kelso of binary economic democracy is someone who understands it very well and from a systems understand and most important by far patricia header kelso coworker wife inspiration helped to since one thousand nine hundred and sixty s louis kelso developed binary economics which is in a very real sense not only his inspiration and idea but very largely hers and she continues the worth the program has been inspired by two great systems thinker the st here we dedicate to the memory of louis kelso unfortunately passed on in one thousand nine hundred and one he brought to the core ideas of a system of economics which he is in our view and in the by view of an increasing number of people the core values that are going to come to us to characterize the world economy he was a friend personally and of the world he will be sought in this to the memory of another great systems and large scale thinker and that being our buckminster fuller and this program was in a sense inspired by the thinking of these two people and we were very happy to be able to present them along with a number of others a great number of people that would be included in terms of understanding in a system where the evolution of events on planet earth and what might be a positive and optimistic forward vision and forward notion of how things might well develop upon this planet i might say that the work involved in the creation of this the editing was done at the time warner or manhattan neighborhood network the time warner cable access facility here i would did some graphics were done by dave chan and happy to recognize that and the big he was done very aptly and well by david soul nick he is a paradigm productions here in new york city were happy very happy to give him presentation again it was the presentation of bob dance class dr robert danin christ of the modern american city new york university and it was titled  public access television within a world system pattern of understanding this is a work in progress there will be more we thank you for viewing