everybody who's joining us this evening whether live or checking in later or streaming like to ask all in attendance if you do have a cell phone please put it on silence we're going to do the pledge of allegiance and remain standing for a abeer to please read this proclamation sure whereas parks and recreation programs are an integral part of communities throughout this country including the city of lakewood and whereas our parks and recreation are vitally important to establishing and maintaining the quality of life in our communities ensuring the health of all citizens and contributing to the economic and environmental well being of a community in regent and whereas parks and recreation programs build healthy active communities that aid in the prevention of chronic disease provide therapeutic recreation services for those who are mentally or physically disabled and also improve the mental and emotional health of all citizens and whereas parks and recreation programs increase a community's economic prosperity their increased property values expression of local expansion of local tax base increased tourism the attraction and retention of business and crime reduction and whereas par n and natural recreation areas improve water quality protect groundwater prevent flooding improve the quality of air we breathe provide vegetative buffers to development and then produce habitat for wildlife and whereas the united states house of representatives has designated july has parks and recreation month and whereas the city of lakewood recognizes the benefits derived from parks and recreation resources now therefore on behalf of the city council and the people city of lakewood colorado and your mayor adam paul in the city of lakewood colorado by virtue of the authority vested in me do hereby proclaim july two thousand and eighteen parks and recreation month this is always a fun one and as you heard we take great pride in our recreational amenities and opportunities in the city of lakewood with over half of our city or not over half a quarter of our city being dedicated parkland and of course our wonderful facilities and programs and so with that i'm going to turn it over to kate to talk a little bit more and keep in mind we're coming off of a master plan update that we did last year so we look forward to many more years of recreational excellence thank you mister mayor and good evening city council my name is kate newland and the director of community resources and i'm pleased to accept this proclamation recognizing the importance and benefits of parks and recreation as evidenced by sheer numbers lakewood residents really do appreciate their park and recreation opportunities i wanted to give you some data from two thousand and sixteen so just bear with me while i read off some of this data for you and we had seven hundred and sixty five thousand people participate in sixty three hundred programs at our two golf courses together we hosted a hundred and five thousand rounds of golf we provided twenty three thousand five hundred one way trips through lakewood rides one hundred and ninety one children were served through early childhood education programs one hundred and eighty six thousand people attended cultural and heritage programs four hundred and sixty two people visited recreation centers and over four hundred and fifty thousand visited bear creek lake park for this year's park and recreation month celebration we wanted to enhance our webpage so that everybody has easy access to all the activities and programs that are going on and there is a lot going on this year and a lot of those activities are free or very low cost i wanted to just provide you with a little bit of information about some of those activities they include yoga zumba aqua z meditation in the park family nature programs swim nights and best of all everybody's favorite the free family friendly movie in the park this year's feature is the lego ninjago movie you got to go see it it's awesome i hear that's awesome july th at the lakewood heritage center and lastly i just wanted to mention that we've been working really hard over these last couple years to get the word out more about our lakewood possibilities fund and as a result this year the staff came up with the idea to sell these t shirts about the benefits in parks and recreation this is an n our national recreation park association logo that says parks and recreation a lifetime of discovery and these were selling at the rec centers for ten dollars and the proceeds are going to go straight to the scholarship fund so we invite you and your neighbors to take a visit visit the rec center and take advantage of some of the fun stuff and then also purchase a t shirt thank you so much for your support seventeen lakewood heritage culture and arts went up fourteen percent so that's fantastic and that's in front of it denver art museum butterfly pavilion in the karo symphony well done okay so next up of the clerk read item five and six we're going to do it kind of simultaneously item five presentation advisory commission for an inclusive community proposal on youth tobacco and item six presentation advisory commission for an inclusive community proposal on name change in purpose statement all right and so because we have some interest there was a separate roster for public comments so i'm gonna do public comment currently on the ac i see presentations we had a request from our friends at the tobacco prevention initiative to have ten minutes and it sounds like we have some of the folks from the tobacco reelers retailers association as well as others so if you would like to speak on either items five or six we will go through that and then we will have regular public comment for all other non agenda items so to kick this off we will start with citizens for a healthier lakewood yes we can turn on the document this is giving reason there we go squeeze in we got room hi everybody we are the citizens for a healthier liquid and we're back i am charmaine brit and i am a resident of ward one i'm also the mother of an eighteen year old and a twenty year old and because my son graduated he i attended a whole bunch of graduation parties and unfortunately i saw way too much by the high school students it made me very sad and i'm here today to we're here to address the issue of youth tobacco and doing some responsible retail licensing so that everyone can do the right thing related to youth tobacco first of all i'd like to thank the a cic they've done a lot of work on this we started this process almost i think a year and a half ago and we appreciate their hard work and diligence and keeping this alive so thank you very much we want to help youth not get hooked on tobacco and through responsible retail licensing not overly harsh but just responsible so first of all i'd like to talk about some data preliminary data from i have to read this the national research center tobacco and health survey perhaps you don't know about that yet but that's something that just came out in two thousand and eighteen and it's fresh off the press it is preliminary and what they found is that eighty three percent of lakewood residents thought that retailers were already had to have a license in order to sell tobacco and seventy one percent of residents support retail licensing that means about a hundred twenty eight thousand of our residents believed that it was already happening did you know that other things require a license did you know that a license is required to buy ice or to purchase fireworks how many people have dogs we all have to have licenses christmas trees require a license but you know what does not require a license tobacco to sell tobacco to to youth and we hope that we can convince you all to change that with some responsible retail licensing so in other words there's no license for the deadliest consumer product and we know that tobacco can kill tonight we're gonna talk to you about licensing at the local level colorado is only one of ten states that does not have statewide licensing for tobacco so that's why it needs to happen here in lakewood and tonight you're gonna hear some members of our coalition these wonderful people behind me you're gonna hear their stories you're go hear some data because we need to make evidence informed decisions and most of all you're going to hear their passion about why this is so important so thank you very much for listening to us so i have the honor of introducing our youth representative good evening my name is tasman duncan and i'm a senior at lakewood high school i'm here today with citizens for a healthier lakewood in order to give support for a potential city ordinance requiring non cigarette tobacco retailers to be licensed ninety percent of tobacco users start before the age of eighteen my mom is part of that statistic she started smoking when she was my age and after forty years seven failed attempts to quit the beginning signs of lung and sinus related illnesses she's still smoking i grew up constantly around secondhand smoke and i still experience it today i hate it my parents hate it but they can't stop because it's addictive my mom's story is by no means unique and by no means the most tragic story out there in fact tobacco kills more than four hundred and eighty thousand people a year in the united states alone it begins when someone my age or younger first uses tobacco the face of tobacco my age group has changed kids nowadays well we rarely go smack smoked a pack of marlboros behind the bleachers it just doesn't happen this is a jewel small sleek and easily mistaken for a flash drive it emits less smoke enough that it doesn't trigger the bathroom smoke detectors and is easily snuck into and used in schools it locks it lacks that toxic cigarette smell and it comes in lots of flavors like mint in cotton candy that appealed to kids my age it is positively everywhere in schools in the hallways outside on campus and the more bold students will even smoke in the classroom this isn't just true of high schools either when helping the city of golden do compliance checks the officer we were working with mentioned that the kids from their middle school had been getting tobacco from the walgreens across the street it seemed crazy inconceivable to me that kids younger than me middle school kids had been smoking tobacco so i talked to my best friend's little sister a middle schooler at creighton middle school and she confirmed what i'd heard that tobacco was everywhere in their halls as well this may seem alarming but with our current laws it's not actually that difficult for children under the age of eighteen to obtain in fact sixty eight percent of youth under the age of eighteen who attempt to buy tobacco can complete the transaction i've seen from compliance checks that i've done that this statistic is true i believe that a licensing law will impose real stakes upon retailers and lessen that statistic making it more difficult for kids to obtain tobacco and helping it to keep it out of schools i hope that the city council will put such a law in place thank you very much and council members my name is diana mayer i'm an epidemiologist and resident of ward four and a member of the citizens for the healthier lakewood my best friend's parents both died due to their tobacco nicotine addiction and sadly my best friend has continued the addiction and is vaping now compared to alcohol and marijuana license a tobacco retail license is low cost and effective to reduce the high cost of youth tobacco use and addiction an annual fee of a few hundred dollars is small for the average of eighteen thousand dollars a month on tobacco sales the license fee does not affect retailers legal sales it helps them comply with the law fees and local enforcement both deter the sales in colorado communities with local licensing of non cigarette tobacco retailers illegal sales to minors were reduced by seventy six percent and ninety four percent of coloradans believe that stores that sell tobacco to a minor should have their license suspended consequences for violations should be suspension of the ability to sell and revoking for repeat offenses tobacco licensing works and protects the health of our community in fact we have over a hundred twenty five end date for supporting tobacco free laws in lakewood thank you yes these are our supporters here and we have many of them here tonight with us as well would you can i leave these for you sure you bet we'll get them to the clerk my name is michael mclaughlin i live in ward one in lakewood my fellow coalition members believe as i do in the benefits of prevention over intervention it is easier to address youth access to tobacco through prevention than to try to intervene after a child grows into adulthood addicted to cigarettes or e cigarettes since health for all is our goal prevention is the best way of addressing factors affecting community health i personally was shocked to hear from teens that they find access easy to products that expose them to the dangers of nicotine and the risks of addiction according to a healthier kids colorado survey from two thousand and fifteen fifty seven percent of high school students believe that it is easy to purchase tobacco products and youth who perceive tobacco as relatively easy to get also are more likely to become regular users since the main resource for getting access to these products is other teens having a tobacco retail license can ensure that a minimum clerk age for selling tobacco products is eighteen and older since young clerks are more likely to sell to their peers the city council is responsible for the health and safety and welfare of the citizens and make the community safe through the monitoring of food monitoring the quality of food ensuring safe working conditions foreign employees and enforcing alcohol sales regulations therefore you as a council should join other communities such as golden edgewater and aspen to  tobacco ordinances in order to reduce teen access to tobacco as they have seen reduction in sales of tobacco to youth in their communities the members of the citizens for a healthier lakewood asks the city council to support the findings of the aci c and refer this issue to city staff for drafting this ordinance a tobacco retail license ordinance makes for lakewood and makes sense to protect our youth all right yes you will all right thank you very much and so just for reference this group had requested a time to speak ahead of time to consolidate everybody's allowed three minutes so they asked to have a consolidation in the ten minutes which we grant four groups and hoas and neighborhood associations so now it'll be three minutes for the rest of the public comment this little light here on the box will be green for two and a half yellow for thirty seconds in red when you're three minutes on up and we'll politely try to wrap you up next up we good evening mayor paul and councilmembers my name is tracy doyle i'm a technical assistance provider in the tobacco program at cu denver as you are most likely aware there are two entities that perform periodic compliance checks in colorado to make sure and the other is the fda as we don't have a system in liquid to track everyone who sells these age restricted tobacco products including e cigarettes it's estimated that we have about one hundred and thirty five retailers in l d if you take a look at the chart you'll see in two thousand and seventeen this is all for fda except for the last one that lakewood stores that sold to a minor were fourteen out of sixty six or twenty one percent that's compared to the state average of ten percent according to do r the lakewood stores that were inspected by fda was fifty seven of one hundred and thirty five so only forty two percent of stores were even inspected in two thousand and seventeen now of the fourteen stores that sold to a minor thirty six percent of those stores had previous sales to minors five out of fourteen so what does that tell us it tells me that we have a problem in liquid if we apply this twenty one percent illegal sales rate to all tobacco retailers in liquid we can surmise that twenty eight retailers in liquid are not checking ids properly and are selling tobacco to our youth the conclusions that can be drawn from this table are one too few compliance checks are being conducted to the sales rate of tobacco to youth in liquid is staggeringly high compared to the state average and three repeat offenders are clearly not deterred by weak penalties resulting from breaking state and federal you've already heard about the important reasons for the adoption of a tobacco retail license what i would like to emphasize is the importance of a well funded well supported enforcement program with escalating consequences for selling the number one cause of preventable disease and death in the u s to a youth the tobacco control team at cu denver has worked with communities across the state to plan and draft strong ordinances we can provide free technical assistance including legal technical assistance to colorado communities to ensure that a tobacco retail licensing ordinance is comprehensive and addresses the unique needs of l around provisions administration and enforcement with an estimated one hundred and thirty five tobacco retail outlets or more meeting the best practice minimum of two undercover compliance checks a year would pose a clear burden on your law enforcement agency's resources we are very interested in working with you regarding models that follow what's been done successfully in other states and communities to lessen the enforcement burden for lakewood pd without compromising effective enforcement protocols it has been my privilege privilege to work with cities and towns such as edgewater golden and fountain to ensure that enforcement is consistent includes tested protocols and is followed through with meaningful fines or suspensions we welcome the opportunity to support your community and committing to the health and safety of youth through the implementation of a non cigarette tobacco retail licensing ordinance thank you for your time and attention i'm tall so can you hear me okay good evening i'm carol salzmann vice president for community and government affairs at lutheran medical center and it's my privilege to talk to you a little bit tonight about our concerns and recommendations so at this time mayor and council we are in support of the advisory councils or visor ii commission's recommendations to reduce youth tobacco lutheran was one of the first hospitals in the state of colorado to adopt a tobacco free campus and we continue to implement programs and seek out partnerships that help to reduce not only youth tobacco use but for new mothers and adults as well we're one of the largest employers in the county and a health care leader as you know and we agree with other health and public health authorities that tobacco and preventing tobacco use is a public health priority and we want it to be your priority too it is more cost effective for preventative measures to address to the negative health economic social and psychological outcomes caused by or associated with tobacco use evidence shows that living tobacco free lowers your risk it lowers risk for serious health conditions like cancer heart disease type two diabetes and lung disease as well as premature death this is evidence based as a longtime member of the tobacco free alliance lutheran supports tonight's recommendations and we view this as a positive step in the right direction and it's in support of things that the city has taken on in the past in this topic again i invite you to strongly consider the recommendations made by the advisory commission tonight and help our community in a very responsible and reasonable way make a difference for the youth in our community thank you for your time thank you mister mayor members of the commission my name is ken kramer general counsel for the cigarette store corp we operate tobacco shops in colorado in lakewood under the name smoker friendly we also run gas stations and liquor stores in the state we employ over two hundred and fifty persons in colorado ten in lakewood tonight the city council has received recommendations from the advisory commission to address the issue of youth access to tobacco products many of the recommendations focus on tobacco retailers as the primary source of underage person's obtaining tobacco retailers are not the problem the report references the jefferson county public health department and its figure of over sixty percent of colorado minors being able to buy tobacco products the report also references citizens for healthier lakewood statistic from and sixteen that four stores were checked and sold three of those sold to minors these references might lead one to believe that minors are able to buy tobacco products from retail stores at will i can tell you that that's not a fair representation generally of what's going on in the tobacco community and specifically not at our stores smoker friendly and other responsible tobacco retailers believe the tobacco products are intended for adults it's a legal product they're not meant to be possessed or used by minors let me explain to you our program in training every employee first goes through an extensive training program before they're allowed to operate the register no one is allowed to operate a register without having it without being mentored one on one in the store every employee is told that if they fail a sting they will be terminated immediately no questions asked we subject our employees not only to the fda and department of revenue stings but a we card program and secret shopper programs that's employed by a program known as bars over six hundred bars checks were employed at our store on west alameda this year all of those were successful our employees are given a bonus if they pass a check we have over a ninety three percent pass rate on our checks and are on our quote stings it's disingenuous to believe that there is no step discipline from the fda there are already federal laws out there which govern the sale of tobacco to minors if you violate those laws you have  severe financial penalties as i said earlier tobacco retailers are not the problem social sources are the real problem in two thousand and sixteen the us food and drug administration published the findings of the agency's path study or population assessment of tobacco and health study which demonstrate that the vast majority of underage youth obtain access to tobacco from non retail sou social sources include older friends adult age siblings parents and even sometimes strangers minors rely on these social sources and use various methods to obtain access to cigarettes eighty six point one percent of the time and electronic cigarettes eighty nine and a half percent of the time until all levels of government focus on solving the social sources problem there will not be a significant reduction in youth access to tobacco products a societal attitude change needs to occur so that adults understand that it's not permissible to provide tobacco to minors fda's number one recommendation is to promote educational efforts to reduce reduce youth access to smoking as noted in the fda's analysis the two thousand and eleven through two thousand and seventeen national youth tobacco survey tobacco among middle and high school students is declining as the city council deliberates the a cic report i ask that you include tobacco retailers in its process whatever the city council ultimately decides will have consequences for lakewood tobacco retailers i think it's important for city officials to have an understanding and appreciation for the retail community and allow us to participate in the process of developing sound and meaningful tobacco policies for lakewood great thank you anybody else wish to speak either on the tobacco or the name change proposal right seeing none i'll close public comment on both of those oh we do okay come on down i'll just ask for your name and your address for the record please from the testimony that i've heard tonight i just want all of you to know that us retailers uh shop owners are doing everything that we can in order not to have minors and possessions of our products  store has been checked by the fda multiple times this year as well as last year and we do implement programs such as the weak heart program and those things in order to make sure that my employees aren't store they have no room in my city and if you're a minor in possession of nicotine products please throw them away there's no use using starting to have it that you don't mean it's just has just recently come out along with public health uk along with australia and new zealand reversing their ban on these products because they see the use in adult adults being able to switch to less harmful product uk public health sites see cigarettes as being ninety five percent less harmful than cigarettes and with a perm process we're just were scared that it's going to limit the access to adult smokers who are looking to switch into a healthier lifestyle anyone that comes in to my shop that is currently smoking that would love to switch to vaping they know the risks they will always know the risks they will also know the benefits they will also get additional years on their life seeing their grandchild walk down the aisle seeing them graduate spending more time with her husband or wife those are all things that we want current adult smokers to be able to access in order to make their lives better it is incredibly difficult to switch from combustible cigarettes even to vaping and it's in and it's even more difficult to get rid of them completely we just want an open forum where we can be a part of the conversation so we're not cutting off the adult smokers good evening i'm the risk my my name is sahn i own two vape shops in colorado one here in lakewood which was actually my first shop and i have one in  centennial and i'm gonna be completely honest with you we opened them because it was the only thing that ever helped us quit smoking in combustible cigarettes and i'm not a hundred percent opposed to the special tobacco might be the reason why is because that's not going to change how i structure and run my business because we already diligently id people we already have disciplinary actions in place if we do fail so you'll get your three hundred dollars or five hundred or whatever annually under me that's fine the one thing that i am concerned about is if we give you an inch you take a mile so if you want to keep it out of the use hands i totally support that but if you want to take it out of the way the the responsible adults hands there's a viable option i am not okay with that and that's all i have to say thank you could you do the same just stop by the clerk and give her your name and address anybody else yes please and for reference i don't think there's any recommendation to do anything for anybody above eighteen right so of course i've got three kids i smoked thirty years see cigarettes was the only thing that got me off picking butts out of cans whatever i didn't care i started at eleven you know back then i was eighty nine cents a pack and i want licensing i own two vape shops one in here in lakewood right there at the eight is the rental place and then one in frisco colorado as w i'm doing this not to get rich i had an option to do marijuana or do what helped me i do what helped me and make a little money why not you know what i mean i have three kids one just graduated from pomona other ones in pomona high school living over vetta but subliminal messages from eighteen year old sitting across the street from the high school vaping as i go drop him off he see that and i just remember when i was fourteen getting into high school wow big blowing up the mind you know seeing all these seniors playing football you know living live living like adults want to relate with that especially when we're fourteen years old so when we see him sitting over there across the street subliminally we're talking to our friends going hey i want to try that and that's where it starts you know they've been doing in aspen you guys mentioned that earlier t it's dirty nineteen nobody is nineteen years old in high school nobody's gonna be sitting across that street vaping if they're nineteen but definitely definitely do a better licensing we totally agree with that i've been checked out by the fda once past and again just like these other guys we do the same thing at my  very very strict on that and they will get fired immediately no problem with unemployment i'll do that all day but i got kids and my kids don't do it and i'm very strict on them about it thank you great thank you do you mind stopping by the clerk and thank you anybody else going once going twice anything on the name change all right we're gonna close public comment thank you all very much we're gonna move into the presentation phase and we presentation so thank you and welcome and miss duffy i think you're gonna do both perfect all right that's good so again my name is diane duffy i'm the chair of the civic awareness committee nicole melandri she helped she's the secretary of our commission now but she was on the civic awareness when we were working on this project big project the the assignment the assignment was lengthy so the research that you received in your packets for this evening was lengthy also we did a lot of research we looked at a lot of different places for our statistics and for what really works because we too are concerned with youth tobacco use and this all is directed if you look at the assignment it's all about youth tobacco use so i'm not gonna go back i'm not gonna go back over this lengthy assignment and i'm not going to go back through all the research i hope you had some time to go through through some of it we did see that smoking is one of the largest preventable causes of death in our country and according to the statistics that we found ninety percent of all regular smokers start before age eighteen and that is the legal age to purchase tobacco products why is that why is our youth trying their best to get a hold of this now in this age of high tech vaping is attractive this is the berry flavored it's it has a nice scent and a nice flavor and it's attracting the youth so we saw this as an enticement we also were concerned as we researched about the volume of compliance checks that the state and the fda is able to do they're doing our whole state of colorado so how much percentage are they really able to dedicate to our city in lakewood so we found there with low compliance checks and minimal penalties really i think the the retailers have far more harsh penalties than our state does on these things what are the deterrence to stop the youth from from trying to obtain these products it's but it's not by accident that education is listed first there's no no alternative i mean education is the best to educate them about the the issues that that come with with smoking that's really important increased regulation also has an effect the enforcement we looked at raising the minimum age and we also looked at increasing the sales tax but more importantly we looked at what are other cities in colorado doing and as has been mentioned seven of the colorado cities have licensed the non cigarette tobacco products two of the colorado cities have gone ahead and licensed all tobacco including cigarettes and you saw the differentiation in your research of whether you licensed cigarettes or just non cigarette tobacco and we did give you a definition of what constitutes non cigarette tobacco other things you can discuss that we found other cities were doing was no self service display they can't walk in and just pick it off the shelf tobacco products are behind the counter and a clerk has to get them for you and scrutinize your age a little bit none of us are gonna have a problem with that restrict the age of the sales clerk that some cities thought that that might help that if they were a little older they wouldn't have younger underage friends coming in that they could slide them to and some cities have regulations again unaccompanied minors in retail outlets that sell tobacco some also went to the extent of zoning now that's a bit much but it's what other cities have done and we just wanted to provide with what other cities have done now nicole is going to take over and go through what we recommend based on all of our research thank you so our research found two recommendations we'd like to present and start with first promotes and support education efforts concerning youth tobacco use in particular there's a lot of varied information concerning each cigarettes and vaping jeffco public health has several youth programs currently breathe easy teams are high school clubs focused on preventing tobacco use and there is currently a team in liquid high school not on tobacco program is the smoking cessation program focused for teens second chance is a web based tobacco education program for middle and high schoolers who have violated the law and for tobacco use and in addition get involved with protect our youth efforts in tobacco free colorado org which is a project of the colorado department of health and public health and environments state tobacco education prevention and cessation programs licensing retailers there are two alternatives licensed non cigarette tobacco product retailers this would allow the city to retain the state to tobacco tax revenue which is roughly three hundred and fifty thousand dollars per year or license all tobacco retail product retailers this was sent the strongest message however the city would forfeit all tobacco tax revenue a cic suggests option a since it achieves all the benefits of licensing without losing the tax revenue we surveyed a few businesses and found most sell both cigarettes and the other various tobacco products including the two sweet cigars snuff vaping  and finally thank you to everyone on the committee for helping with this assignment well done and can we have those folks stand if you're here i see some of them in the audience who worked on this committee thank you we appreciate it okay so before we go into the next presentation let's see if there's counsel questions as to this first presentation councillor vincent  my question is you talked about lakewood high school and the breathe easy program do you know if any other high schools have that program that's the only high school in lakewood it's also  and a couple other high schools but like would prop high school okay so do you know if there's anything that would start this program in other high schools we've got several high schools in lakewood other than lake c i am in my school's bead team i wouldn't necessarily call myself the head of it but i have been a dedicated member for about a year now and there are other schools that are linked in with us i don't believe any of them are in lakewood but my b ii team would be interested in having other schools join our ranks and also in maybe getting our message out there a little more we're a small program we meet during lunches there's five or six of us in the club at our school because if it is successful i'd like to see it i'd support replicating it through other high schools in liquid thank you all right let's continue with financial representative here with this three hundred and fifty thousand dollars in tax revenue be tabor attributable  i believe it is but i would need to check to make sure but it's just a basic tax and it isn't exempted by any of the other like it's not a federal grant it isn't open space so i believe it is but i would need to double check with our finance director the implication of that is that we might have to give back three hundred and fifty thousand dollars anyway so thank you  that point i think with the recommendation if it is to go forward that's certainly i think the next step would be a study session where we would have a full conversation with staff going along with that idea the the cost factors that you said in there about the whether or not there was a fee for the licensing that you suggested in there anywhere from who thirty three to bigger okay did you have kind of a gut feeling for what would it take to cover all the come up with the dollars that's something that staff can do for you that would be the one thing that that would make me more comfortable with this is if whatever license fee we choose it is appropriate for the cost the city would be barring that would be my criteria for this thank you and i think by statute any fee that is implemented has to be validated by staff time or cost to the johnson questions yes thank you i have a few questions yes i believe that tobacco use has fallen to the lowest tha is there actually any solid data that licensing is affecting usage why that's a good question exactly how they measured that but they did have some really good statistics after the first year okay because i noticed that golden edgewater aspen and fountain were all mentioned what about some of the gone through the licensing program and that's the only where that's the only place we could get any any data was the ones that had already started licensing it to see what success they had had okay so only seven cities in the state have licensed correct i think it's nine nine cities in the state right have licensed okay somebody mentioned that there is no statewide licensing i thought is that accurate there is no statewide licensing for c cigarettes for tobacco there isn't any statewide licensing there's compliance checks but there isn't a statewide license you just purchase a license to sell from your local jurisdiction okay  the gentleman from the retail the attorney he you mentioned that you'd like to see the retailers have a seat at the table to help with any policy what kind of things would you like see included or not included what what is it that have the other cities included you or not or is that fair to ask so in your preliminary research you ha industry did you have industry i thought i saw that in your report so we surveyed a few businesses in the lakewood area just some general questions about what type of products they sell what percentages of their sales are tobacco related and what they thought about retail licensing but it was a very small sampling miss johnson for example fountain has an ordinance which they've adopted that prohibits any self sales of products our business is age restricted you come into our store unless you're eighteen years old to begin with signs are posted on the doors to begin with so that type of ordinance for example would make no sense in our store because the very basis of the store is to allow  adults to come in touch and feel the products to decide what it is they want to buy so that ordinance for example doesn't make sense in our business model so there's an example where had had we been consulted prior to the adoption of that ordinance that would have made more sense i can't begin to imagine what the city council would discuss but certainly you know that's one it's an example okay and another speaker spoke about the concentration of the liquids in the vapes how is that monitored and how is that done i'm curious i don't think it is i i don't think you know exactly how much is in here or am i glasses on but it's it doesn't say how much is in here so so alright but but but but we're not gonna go from the gallery so the idea is before this completely spends the recommendation is to have counsel look at going to the next step of having a discussion this would be part of that discussion just like our trash or our recent grocery cart ordinance we brought in the industry and i imagine that this would be the similar type deal i think the community has talked and most up here realized that our tobacco stores some of them you have to be eighteen or older so you would be exempt so this is just a preliminary presentation on research with a recommendation to come back to city council so all of that would be in pla tonight but i just want to kind of get them out there so when we talk about the first recommendation which is promoting educational efforts did it do any of those the a and b which is course expand the breathe breathe easy and get involved with the protect our youth efforts etc are any of those educational efforts requiring funding that we need to consider because i know that you've had optioned later for the three hundred and fifty thousand dollars but if that turns out that it's subject to tabor if that was your only ruiz are their funding components and maybe we can't answer at night but it's gonna be important to know are there things that we can invest money in are they looking for space on our website what would be those promotional things and which ones come with a cost component do you have any of that off the top of your head or just more food for thought we had looked at it more of volunteers there's a lot of volunteerism in our city and looking at volunteers to help getting those programs going help those the youth organize talk amongst themselves help them organize i think we were looking at it more as volunteers rather than money i don't know that throwing money at this is that helpful i think it's grassroots okay and and also would be something for us to consider from a staff component if there needs to be kind of a staff component to kind of help guide people towards those things or  us to look for volunteers so i think that's important just to know what we're how we can make education effective and not just say we're promoting it but what are the action steps to actually have a promotion that actually does what it's intended to do  the second one i had was was the only reason on the licensing of the non cigarette tobacco products did you guys pick that one because of the funding is that the only reason it was picked because it says on the other one that it would send a stronger message and if we're trying to send a stronger message if that were to be that the consensus of the goal then wasn't just the money that drove you towards option a it was  one is definitely the tax revenue and the implications but the other was that we thought you would achieve the same results essentially by doing the non cigarette tobacco retailers since most of them sell both products but that's discussion for you about what kind of message you want absolutely and i've just been since you guys sent out the packet which had a ton of great information i do appreciate it it really talked about do you know a three fold approach of the people doing implementing smoke free laws raising tobacco prices which of course comes with a whole host of discussion and then increase funding for tobacco control programs and that's where you kind of have to look at that prong as well so thank you i thought i heard during the presentation that there was a seventy six percent reduction where non cigarette tobacco licensing is in place did i miss hear that number i don't think we said that i think you read that on the chart that's in our oh i think it might have been those folks in the back seventy six percent okay and you should see some of those figures in the chart that was in the research that we put together and  the actual recommendations that we're talking about just generally to move this on to the next phases we do a license we have a fee with that license it's two hundred and fifty dollars or maybe more we then use that money for enforcement of the license and we also use it for the education programs that you listed out here i have that pretty much in a nutshell my final question you might not know the answer but the three hundred and fifty thousand that we get from the state that we would lose remember that if we go with the full blown option is that money used specifically for education or treatment or how do we use the three hundred and fifty is it just whatever we want got it thank you all right nobody else councillor johnson please the floor is yours for everything else well thank you i noticed that the compliance basically in all of the cities is through the police department correct has our police department weighed in on this we did not we did not go to them to ask for any input from them we did not think that was our place we're looking at just deterring youth from smoking so how the city chooses to handle this is up to you folks okay can i interrupt councillor johnson we did get feedback from our police chief as it relates to enforcement what those costs might be and if indeed this does go to a study session that would be something we would bring back to you to look at whether that's an enforcement through the police department we talk about what those costs are and what those available resources are we know that we we struggle hiring and and retaining police officers another option might be similar to our our liquor inspections through our city clerk's office that that's that's those are the options that we would offer to you and then the fiscal implications of both so the police department is concerned to be real direct is is in terms of enforcement and available resources but there may be some other options thank you  i too was looking at some of the costs that was for other cities it was a hundred and seventeen to a hundred and eighty eight to do two checks a year correct okay and  also when you continued looking on the chart it didn't look like that was actually enough money to cover that kind of a thing you're correct it's not enough money so the fee then would have to be much higher than that yes okay i'm just curious at this point sounds like cd phe colorado department for public health and environment is doing the enforcement at the state level correct and how many enforcers do they have do we know i don't know i don't know i did speak with one and he had traveled up to the metro area from colorado springs i don't imagine they have too many because it sounded like they only were able to serve a fifty percent of the retailers but we don't know how many enforcers they have i really applaud the be e procurement lakewood and i'd very much like to see that expanded to the other high schools i think education is the answer for this  let's see here also was it amendment seventy two that went down by fifty four percent correct we're a tag team thank you right okay so if we i'm just throwing things out there if we have a fee for  licensing that cost will be passed down to the consumer will that drive consumption to the internet or the black market is there any kind of information on that kind of thing we didn't you know it's so new in colorados for the cities that we did research i don't think there's any data on that yet because i believe that the money from cd phe comes from the tobacco litigation correct i think so i believe so that's an interesting thing i was down at the statehouse about that time and the state had a tremendous windfall from that money and i clearly remember a legislator speaking at the mic that she wanted that money some of it diverted to education so kids could read the labels on cigarettes so anytime you have a windfall of money everybody wants to get their hands on it  do we have any idea what the potential impact would be for the point of sale strategies you know very complicated situation i grew up in a home with a dad that smoked and a stepmother that did and i never did and i'm not sure why some people can be around cigarette smoke and choose not to and other people are not around it and choose to smoke there's something there that i haven't connected the dots to yet and i don't know that i don't know that there's been research on that  i guess that's it i this probably should go to a study session but i have a lot of questions i have concerns frankly legislating and people's behavior and  what the parental responsibility is here you know it's hard for me to think that if your child's got vapes that you don't understand what's going on and somehow that educational piece needs to expand to the parents they have they need to come to the table on this as well all right any other questions all right so let's get any comments and we'll see if we can move for would just say i think the goal for me and i think you nailed and i appreciate the presentation all the input we're looking at youth and trying to do everything we can to protect our youth and adults have a different opportunity i started smoking when i was fourteen luckily i quit when i was twenty one but i love to smoke and i know that if i had one cigarette i'd be smoking again so i understand it's real we heard about it you know tonight starting at one thousand two hundred and thirteen we want to try to stop and set the trajectory for healthy kids the best we can and we have that opportunity and i think there's a way we can do this moving forward to staff to deal with a lot of the questions we heard tonight to bring in the industry to look at best practices and really look at long and the continued effort from both our community and all the different stakeholders of it that have gotten involved and also a cic who did such tremendous research this is just such high quality level of research it's a really complicated issue so can't thank you enough and then also the industry people that need every one has to be at the table in order to come up with something that's going to work and i think one of the coolest things to me th is hearing from you guys like i want to see a licensing in place because we already follow this we already make sure that our stores aren't selling the kids and we want to make sure that everybody else is following the same rules that's just really addressing some of these key pieces again i think we we all agree that we're talking about youth tobacco we don't want to you know adults or they get to make their own decisions let's not go there that's up to them but the youth tobacco prevention and then you know i appreciate the aci c's recommendation and it makes sense to me to do the non tobacco licensing the research shows that that's effective it reduces like we said seventy six percent or seventy i wrote seventy four he says seventy six what are the two of the illegal sales reduction and the things that i would really want to look at is making sure that you know we have our financial understanding of making sure that the fees are gonna cover the cost of the program and it looks like it's in the vicinity of the three hundred dollars three hundred dollars annual fee and then it's also really important to me that we look at these options of having the city clerk's office similar to the way we do our alcohol licensing because of all you know we are all very familiar with  stresses on our police department right now and we i want to be supportive i think we all do and know that there's a lot of other pressing issues that they have so it sounds like there's other cities that have done programs this way that are equally effective so i do really want to move this forward and and nail down those specifics and and make sure that everyone is at the table and ensuring that everyone has a chance to weigh in on the important matters and i'm looking directly to the people who came here from the industry so thank you guys and we'll make sure that everyone is at the table and hope that we can all move this forward so thank you think the educause of that the education component is vital i chose to go ahead and smoke and i regret it to this day and eight years after quitting it still bothers me every day the education component is primary also i'd like to second dana our councilwoman guru on on alternative enforcement perhaps we can find something that is less consuming for our sworn officers and thank you to the folks who are promoting a healthier lifestyle for our kids okay so is there a consensus to move councillor bita one it's one second yep go ahead let me just say it looks like we have a consensus in the community that we got an issue here a problem that needs addressing people are concerned about it so this sounds like a good way to at least address it thank you for the from the commission for nice work really nice work and iii would agree that let's move it forward at least let the our staff take a look at it and see what their thoughts are thank you this was that consensus on that hudson do you need any clarification on moving forward or is there enough in the report to start to build off of yeah thank you i believe there's enough in the report that we can talk at the staff level and come up with some good alternatives for you all to deliberate especially around like we discussed the enforcement issue the fee issue which would be subject to taper by the way and whatever report so we'll throw that around and schedule that and let you know if there are more questions i think we're in good shape thank you okay well i think that's where we'll go so thank you to everybody that came out continue to stay in tune and active i know you will so that's good and we look forward to coming out with a nice product that's gonna preserve the rights of those who want to indulge in are able with age and help our kids so find that nice balance and your on the public commenter oster so i don't know if you just should just stay up here the whole night or what presentation to easy one ish i heard it wasn't easy is that what i heard next presentation is an ad hoc committee that the advisory commission for an inclusive community did and this came out of the volunteerism recommendations that most of you saw some time ago it we have so many people in lake with the that want to volunteer and there's so many opportunities for them so one of the committees took a look at that and one of the things they found was that the advisory commission for an inclusive community no one really knew what we did and then unfortunately it was shortened to the aci c invariably in your word meetings you said well the c and somebody piped up and said what's that well of course a cic didn't mean anything to the citizens so here is a grassroots proposal that we came up with and we did some research on what this commission should be called and what we really do we didn't have a mission statement and as you all know but maybe the audience doesn't know we're a group of volunteers of citizens from the entire city of very diverse backgrounds diverse areas and we all come together and we help you to do research such as the youth tobacco so that you don't have to spend your time looking at all that it's something else that takes some of this off the plate of some of the staff so we looked at all of that and decided that since there was no clear understanding we looked at what the other commission's were called they're all shortened to the point planning commission who doesn't know what they do board of adjustment historic preservation this was the easy part of our our job this way lakewood advisory commission it's very simple it's to the point when you say advisory commission and people are going to have a better understanding of what we do we advise we don't make any decisions we just do the research and then advice the harder part of our assignment was the mission statement now this is where the thirty people on this commission had some fun it took a while we all had different ideas about who we are and what we do so we had brainstorming sessions and really called out those words such as inclusive community which was important as part of our name but that's not who we are it's more of what we do making like  acum inclusive community so we came up with this it's a bit longer than we would like but it really says our mission in order to support lakewood as a vibrant and inclusive community the lakewood advisory commission is an advocate and informed voice for the community by providing research and recommendations on local issues to the city council and we felt that was a real clear definition of what we're trying to do for you and that's it here's our team members it was shortened to the point we had just a few few team members on this but let me tell you the thirty people on the commission all had their say a couple of times well thank you very much thank you to the commissioners who are here as well so let's start with questions councillor beto just one question did you consider citizens advisory commission as opposed to lakewood yep and why did you decide against that we did because there's such a connotation right now in our nation regarding citizens we decided not to put that in there we wanted to just make it lakewood thank you it thanks for asking question just a simple question which is if we decide to move this forward is this just of something that we would just vote on to adopt or does it then go back to you we would direct staff to produce an ordinance  okay great thank you okay no questions comments so i would just start with well done i certainly understand i mean i think it took me two or three years on council to remember a  cic just in and of itself i do appreciate the intent i think it's so important to say an advisory commission for an inclusive community i've really learned how important an inclusive community is to our residents so it's you know bittersweet to see that go but i certainly understand and i appreciate the inclusion of the mission statement i don't think it's too long mission statements can be super challenging i think this council spent a few years in a row at retreats trying to hash something out so we gave up but to you and your group so i certainly will be supporting this thank you vincent just just one quick comment as someone who does the interviews for this committee i appreciate changing the name because you start out and get really tongue tied on a cic and the explanation and i really like the mission statement also and just as a side note because they never talk about this but as someone who's facilitated c c groups through mission statements the idea that you've got thirty people to agree to it is astounding i'm flabbergasted can you tell so good job and i'd like to move it forward elsa goodwin i agree with that what everyone said here and i i certainly support doing this and i think that it will help people understand what i know i'm going to what the a cic does but what the lakewood advisory commission does well will do and i appreciate that i like also that it the inclusive community was kept in the mission statement and and i was on a cic with a couple of you and i i know this was a lot of work to get through and to get everyone on board and i think it's just really well done so thank you for all the effort and all the conversations and all the work you guys do thanks also johnson diane i love your mission statement job well done thank you alright consensus to move forward i imagine that's crystal clear thank you thank you all for your work and you have a lot of work ahead of you actually there's a lot of stuff going and this is a nice segue before we go into public comment we have an update from our rtd director natalie menten district m and while she's coming down the aca the advisory commission dang it made a recommendation to council about looking into the lights on the bridge on sixth avenue timely for our rep so they are gonna take that on and hopefully we can figure out how to get those lights back on welcome welcome thank you  ward five and also rtd director liquid golden wheat right area so every three years we do a fair review and it is that time of year again where our time cycle in our cycle that we're gonna review the boom i'm gonna try to go through this very quickly because you're already into a long evening first is just a reminder on how our tedious funded so let's start with that real quick as you'll see and there are spare flyers on the back table if anybody would like to grab one of those our td's main source of funding codes for sales and use tax you may be a little bit surprised as you've heard fi over the years that fairs cover twelve twenty percent of the cost of service in reality it is twelve percent so fairs cover a very little version the big pieces of the pie that you'll see on that chart there is that sales tax covers fifty two percent and the next largest chunk is gas taxes which many people think your when you fuel up and you pay money to the feds on your gas taxes and ironically and i have quite a issue actually with this when it goes into the national highway trust fund one would think that that meant it went into a trust fund to go to roads but it's actually going to cover things like transit so as we have a very good discussion this fall with a ballot coming up on should we increase the money going to the roads where is the money money  right now um okay so i'll stop on that part so passenger fares cover twelve percent advertising cost covers about two percent so i think i gave a pretty good chart right there as to showing you what funds  for the investment put in it is not producing the ridership that it was why is that shared ride services have taking a three a hole that was needed by the private sector and it's actually done it quite well if you look down go downtown you will some people of course all the time jumping into a car that's there within a few minutes of them asking for it and they pay a very low fare to get where they need to go and it goes door to door so i really appreciate the industry actually i jump into the fares too much let me state i'm just giving you a brief preview tonight and there will be a meeting in lakewood where you can come and get into a little more discussion if you would like and you could share that with your constituents so that one that all right again i'm gonna go through this very briefly where we've gotten to this point is that for a year there was a past program working group who studied our fairs and came up with recommendations which like a citizens advisory committee  and what they came up with along with our budget department and many others is three different options and the timeline we're looking at looking at these as we're going to hold our public meetings in july and then in the august september timeframe this will come before our td committee our operations customer service committee and then moved to the full board for approval so where this all started was when we had our fare increase three years ago there are certain individuals who carry an eco pass which is a path that's bought by an employer and it's an insurance type model in that let's say you have three hundred employees and twenty five of them use rtd the employer was buying three hundred passes for those individuals there's a mix of the private sector and some government agencies that use the eco pass for some companies it's really a  they don't have a return on the investment let's put it that way some have better usage so when we all started on this inspection of the fare program a year ago they really were to stick with what do the fare programs and the past programs look like how do we adjust those because our td policy is to increase the fares i don't know any other time we've really gone all the other way is to inspect the fares every three years  so as this committee started to look through this i came through with option one which is no fare increase at all that would not meet our strategic budget if we went with option two you would see an increase on a local one way assuming as somebody on a regular fare not a senior or student aged six to nineteen whose discounted so i'm just gonna stick with the regular passenger it would go from two dollar sixty cents to two dollars ninety cents if it's regional goes for fifty up to five dollars you can continue to see that other changes one of note there is with the eco pass which is that insurance program i told you about that would go to a utilization price programming right now those who pay the fifty percent fare include seniors sixty five and older those who are disabled on medicare or students aged six to nineteen kids five and younger with eight dot and adult write free you'll notice that on option two this would also change it so that youth would pay thirty percent of the full fare versus the fifty percent are out right now option three changes it to where you'll see more of a increase in the fare and that is because this committee looked at adding in a low income pass program the background on the rtd low income pass program is that about three years ago we r district and the taxpayers we're providing because it is taxpayer money all the way around there at the top of our organizational chart the taxpayers we're funding approximately five million i forget the five three million  in low income passes we would provide to nonprofit organizations they had to do the income verification we're not going to do that they decided how they dispense them so that might be as an example jeffco action center or  jefferson county workforce program that would be examples about three years ago we increased that to six point eight million dollars so yeah and the money's not afraid of it you know it doesn't grow in a tree in the back so it's going to come from somewhere so an option three that means individuals will be paying a higher rate to pay for the low income program now i showed you ridership if we bump writers or if we bump fares too much we are going to trigger a lot so this is a good discussion to have with the community and i'll let you know just because many of you probably just don't know this off the top of your head but lakewood all of lakewood stations actually it's not red rock so but wodsworth station garrison oak street those are all within a local fair but on the west line golden is the higher rate it's regional so that's even a bigger hit and when you takes twenty minutes twenty at the most twenty five to drive downtown and it's going to cost five dollars twenty five cents where people will get in their car at the other hand the first part i started out is right now fares are covered by twelve percent for the fare so you can see where it's an interesting discussion at least i find it interesting there will be some other advantages those are noted on the one page where one of the things i do like the most he is replacing a three hour one way transfer with a three hour anyway you want to go so if you just went to the doctor and it or chiropractor weekly and it takes you you know half hour to get there you got our appointment come back home and you can do it within the three hours this will actually be less money than where we're at right now  so i will again sure that there's pamphlets and back for anybody who would like them i did set up these meetings special we were only going to have one in jefferson county i didn't think that was adequate so i worked with peggy catlin who's the new board director for the mountains and south area and if anybody cannot make the lakewood meeting there's also one in evergreen on sunday july  th and southwest jeffco and that one i know i'm cooking chili so you know if you really want to i do make it a little bit hot but anybody's welcome to do that and they can also just go to  website they don't have to go to one of these meetings although we always love to see people chime in whether they're a writer or not because i've illustrated taxpayers money is funding this in a big way even if they're not a writer so that's it i don't know how long i took but hopefully it was pretty short oh you did great so you're gonna have a couple questions already so i have  oh i thought i turned it on excellent presentation but on on the funding sources you talk about both bus and rail but on fares that's just rail correct light rail that's okay thank you yes i will add though let's say as an example you were out at the jeffco government center and you got on the w line that would be considered regional you could jump on a bus go along colfax and in some ways in some ways get better transit actually and it would be the local fair where do we learn all those little secrets there's got to be a class okay thank you  one question option three i see what what happened to adults and her seniors seniors will stay the same and so i did note that because i knew when i copy it so if you look on this green bar at the bottom i inserted the fifty percent discount would remain available for local regional and airport do you see the green one at the bottom here alright because it looks like an option three if you just compare all these that seniors fell off yeah i copied and pasted it from the staff and then after a third version of printing this i go i bet i'm gonna get that question so i inserted it on the green is having some pretty big problems and there's a tremendous amount of outreach but in some ways it suffers like the w line that it's a slow trip but it is all included in there yes thank  stretchy and i think we're gonna get in that discussion again because there are lots of the parts of system we're running a huge vehicle around which does create more traffic congestion and just f system wide i'll share with you that about still six high sixty almost seventy percent of our writers are on bus the remainder on rail alright thank you you frank's i had a question about the utilization pricing of like the eco passes you were mentioning that most businesses maybe don't get the value out of that so obviously that will be a reduction if you go to this model it'll be a reduction  funds coming from them with that so that'd be correct but then are there any plans for outreach to kind of try to fill in for the businesses that surround the areas that have lower ridership as an another incentive that they can offer their employees which you know maybe you're going to the ballgame or you're you know you're not going to write it a lot but it would encourage you to get out of the car a few times are there plans to augment off what you're losing in the utilization pricing yes and we are waiting for some final numbers so when we do have this liquid meeting i will have some more details there are going to be parts of the system but probably more along the bolder line where they will see an increase in their cost they are getting we would consider a heck of a deal based on their user their ridership so it will be a mix but really for some areas in lakewood the eco pass would be really a heck of a deal and i think probably the best plan would be a partnership with liquid on those within the business districts a lot of the fed center already uses them i hope that answered your question and will you have some at that meeting if i'm not able to  type of thing so if there's any numbers you can give let me know i will we will have more of those we'll also be changing the zones we call them sl a's service areas there will be some changes there and that should all be ready by july th that was a bit anxious to start the outreach because three cities sometimes you have the meetings same nights and trying to cover a lot of places as i said adding meetings even here in july so that we get as much input as possible and i know i will have more information for you don't so johnson thank you nice presentation natalie i have kind of an odd observation the times that we have been going south on i twenty five and i know that's not part of what you're talking about here the light rail runs every seven minutes on a sunday morning and generally there might be one or two people per train has there ever been any thought that in those times of days on certain days like a sunday morning when the ridership is down to  the morning but we have a rockies game at say eleven zero then we really need to set up that train to allow for that exactly a great example of many buses running around most of the day almost empty but in the peak you'll see that so it it can change there can be reasons for it but it's something that we always do want to try to see just like the w line  justing from two cars to three cars and we'll now start to get some complaints that people have to stand but honestly our service planners we're not going to add on more until it is standing pack more and more so people aren't guaranteed a seat i don't know if that answered what you were looking for i've just never seen it full on a sunday morning generally we're we go down to colorado springs occasionally usually about eight nine o'clock in the morning and it's never fault never so i just thought if there's a way to adjust the time of day on certain days of the week i'm just curious that's all yeah it's um i would say if i asked a planner what they would be talking about is with that scheduling if we were and different there's so many different things that a schedule runs off of meetings meeting and getting a transfer and all those things and if you start to switch it up it just can really create a headache you you know what you're doing for better i don't know about that but okay sounds a good one game day is always packed i've noticed too um thank you and i just had a quick question about the neighborhood eco pass so we have a lot of we have the sustainable neighborhoods program in lakewood and i was just wondering if you could give kind of a brief intro of what that is because i'm not sure that our community is is aware of it alright and uh without trying to silent i would say that there's a good reason why we probably don't because it's very difficult to work with them what you'd have to take of your were probably very familiar with what a precinct roughly looks like what you would have to do somebody in that neighborhood first would have to have an hoa or somebody who's going to be able to cut a check one check they're gonna have to go to all of those neighbors in the same way with any insurance type model you would have to have enough buy in from all of those neighbors to kick in the money to get past the minimum that we need which is usually a few thousand dollars several thousand dollars then you have to go through and do a survey of the entire neighborhood and what you have to do is figure out how much each person uses our tv because our tvs philosophy is we are not going to price it out less than what your usage is because then we have to put more drivers on the road so then they form this they have come back with these surveys find out somebody's insured to write that check and honestly i don't know how many neighborhoods community and you were to get things on channel a as well so if there's anything that we can help with this information please let us know to get that out to our people hot dogs and jelly there you go thank you you okay this is the point in the meeting where the public is invited to address the city council on items that did not appear on the agenda all comments should be directed to the city council i ask all that are left in attendance please observe the decorum of the city council chambers refrain from applause or audible support discord with the speaker again three minutes two and a half it will go yellow at your end it will go red and before i start to call names the council members from ward five wanted to address an issue that we'll probably hear about in public comment thank you mister mayor i wanted to read first of all an email that many of us have received from her email they were not able to be here this evening but asked that this be read into the record to mayor adam paul and lakewood city council we are unable to attend the lakewood city council meeting tonight but would be remiss if we didn't take the opportunity to not insured the cleanup and restoration of the property in a timely matter extermination of the rats is only an initial step as the house is full of dead rats is not much better than a house full of live rats we demand to be provided a timeline so we can understand exactly when the home will be cleaned up and restored to acceptable conditions we understand the deadline for the homeowners to appeal the notice of of the unsafe unlivable structure is july th two thousand and eighteen and the building department can set a date for compliance of cleaning and restoring the home once the date has passed if no appeal has occurred the notice posted on june th two thousand and eighteen also provides that the city of lakewood may cause the structure to be repaired to the extent necessary to correct the conditions which render the building unsafe or dangerous what date does the city intend to set for the cleanup or restoration following the passing of the july th deadline the city must step in immediately following the passing of the july th deadline and caused the structure to be repaired the owners of one thousand six hundred and nineteen south lea street have been long aware of the issue and clearly have no regard for their fellow neighbors as they're taking the minimal required steps to remedy the situation they abandoned their home and left the neighbors to deal with the problem they caused and never once cooperated with neighbors of the city of lakewood or the city of lakewood until forced to do so by a warrant it is negligent irresponsible and immoral for the city of lakewood to allow the owners of one thousand six hundred and nineteen south lee's street to prolong cleanup and restoration at the expense and the suffering of the entire neighborhood we demand that the city of lakewood step in to restore the home at one thousand six hundred and nineteen south lee street as soon as humanly possible in order to protect our neighborhood and your city signed paula and jena mountain paul and jenna  n i just wanted to add to their remark that both dana and i stopped by the mountain home today and their concern is genuine when you step out on their patio you can smell the smell of dead rats and they have a nine month old child in the home that they're very concerned about this is a horrible situation none of us believe and that live in a ghetto of any sort or would even think that we'd have this kind of situation and i would just say that i think the mountains are very reasonable people they are living through a nightmare and i think would be willing to support almost anything that we can do to try to help them so i will end my comments there and dana do you want to add something just a couple additional things and like  said i me and my kids stopped by it jenna's house today and i just really feel for the situation that they're in and relate to her as a young mom moving to the this house and starting their life and then dealing with th the situation so just really appreciate all the effort that's been put in and i wanted to i think that the key thing now moving forward is maintaining good communication and getting  clear answers on the timeline so i wanted to just update or read a quick update that we got from the chief and so that people know what is being done to address this and then karen and i want to have an additional board meeting because we've had we have a monthly meeting every every month and we haven't cancelled in a really long time maybe a year and a half or two years but this was our planned cancel and it was a very bad timing so you know people want information understandably and so we're working with staff and thank you to  our city manager for helping us make sure that we have the right staff and they are at our meetings so that we can we can get more answers about this as we go but again so here's here's what's happening now is that the pest control edge pest control is visiting the home three to four days a week replacing the bait boxes eliminating many of the entry exit sites the city paid edge pest control to place additional bait boxes around the property expedite the extermination process lpd animal control visits the home and neighborhood three to five times per day and removes the rats from the property surrounding homes have been contracted with another pest control company at the city of liquids expense to prevent any spread of the infestation and you know basically the after the infestation is  eliminated the homeowners will contract with the home restoration company to address the remaining issues smell health can help issues drywall and i know that these are what a lot of the neighbors have remaining questions about is you know what's the timeline for that some of which we won't know until we until the damage is assessed but so we will keep that information available to the community as as we have it and again i just really feel for our neighbors that are in this situation and as a council i know that we'll all be looking for ways that we can prevent issues like that moving forward so evening good evening thank you i'm jana karen thank you so i'm here to talk about the rat house and basically what you just addressed was a lot of what i was going to ask you um the most important thing right now is that we need to maybe not even call it a ward meeting just have a meeting just get out there for all the people in the neighborhood and again i'm not i think you missed exactly where i live i do not live on lee street i'm awfully street and we are still impacted by it so two thousand and eighteen it's the last summer we can't go outside the odor is terrible it's horrendous you can't entertain you can't eat outside with your guests because you don't want the rats joining you for dinner and i mean it's it's not getting any better you know they may be doing stuff inside but we're not seeing it yet so if we can find out when and how what additional steps are gonna take that would be great i actually though had a couple questions for the city manager and the city attorney is us okay all right um so for the city attorney i was curious if the people under her in the zoning department and i think that they're under her because she referred to her position as the top position so i'm thinking that they're under her do they have liability insurance have they been addressed and have they been has this been addressed with them and what is the accountability as far as individually as far as employees of the city of lakewood do they have liability insurance um individual employees the two that i understand that there were a couple employees that didn't follow through with just in the past we'd just like to know where they're at and how it was addressed if it has been addressed and the second question was directed at city attorney and basically i pulled up his cv today and it was like really impressive and so we know he went through a really difficult program to get his j know he's got the book smarts but we need some action and we need people to be creative to decide how they're gonna handle this because two weeks ago we stood here and everybody was like oh my god this can't be happening we've got to do something and we were so excited when we left here and here we are we're still sleeping with our windows closed and you know we're still paying extermination companies so if we can just kind of get those questions answered and that's all i have for tonight thank you thank you on a more positive note for those of you who did not attend the th of july celebration it was awesome i do want to thank councilor abel he's the one that proposed this that lake would have again a community summer festival with fireworks the advisory commission researched it and i have to say community resources nailed the execution it was it was a wonderful community event now this fireworks were spectacular honestly i went to denver's the night before ours were way better way better twice as long and way better but you know what was more important the community spirit i saw the kids running around okay school's been out what three weeks and there they acted like they hadn't seen each other and you know three months oh hey and there were neighbors talking to people that live down the street but they never talked but they all met at jeffco stadium it was a wonderful community event so thank you to all of you especially counselor abel thank you  george good evening you're back and i imagine snot because you like to hang out on monday nights imagine you might be right good evening good  evening to hear this two weeks ago at the last city council meeting i spoke to you about the excessive environmental noise produced by the bristlecone shooting range mister mayor you said that you would have someone contact me but today no one has so this past saturday i went to the ward one public meeting to speak directly with my representatives ramie johnson directed me to ward three representative pete ro and said that he had some follow up and some updates on the matter pete roybal then essentially proceeded to tell me to go pound sand he told me he had come out and taken decibel readings himself one day during peak shooting hours all four sides of the bristlecone building with a phone app and didn't find any noise compliance issues mister roybal didn't mention what day he took his official readings or what criteria he used to determine peak hours at an indoor suburban shooting range after a few minutes of listening to mister roybal and unsuccessfully attempting to state my case i said so what you're telling me is that there's nothing the city of lakewood can do about this problem what he replied  no maybe you should take it up with the apartment management they're the ones who decided to build an apartment complex next to a shooting range you tipped your hand right then mister roybal and i understood more clearly that this issue is about more than just excessive noise and a suburban shooting range i would remind you however that the lakewood city council along with the city manager and planning department are solely responsible for all approvals and oversight of zoning land use and development in the city of lakewood so whatever bone you have to pick with the owners and developers of beacon eighty five property is between you and then your animosity toward them should not be taken out on the residents who live there who had absolutely no part in the process or decision making regarding development and zoning in union square being said regardless of what your very professional state of the art phone app indicates about the noise levels at the bristlecone shooting range i hope this recording is helping better illustrate the real issue as i tried to explain to  roybal it's not just the decibel level of noise but the type of noise the sustained consistent sound of sharp loud vibrational noise on a daily basis is intrusive at best and maddening on the latest days in a public meeting with the planning department on june th two thousand and fourteen the owners of the bristlecone spoke to the concerns about noise and identified how it would be minimized with fully graded concrete block exterior walls in interior baffle system insulated exterior ducts and additional sound attenuation material they said that these systems would result in exterior noise levels of ten to fifteen decibels below the level of an ordinary side street in reality obviously much louder during that meeting commissioner dale miller asked what the nature of the noise would be from the proposed shooting range and the owner mister clark said that there would be a quote muffled pop very near the building but as the distance increases the noise would be inaudible i'm not sure how much distance he was alluding to but the loud sounds of gunfire gunfire can be clearly heard from more than three hundred feet away from the bristlecone building and not only can it be heard over the quieter traffic in the area it can be heard over the loudest traffic in the area of policy it is declared that at certain levels noise is detrimental to public health comfort convenience safety and welfare of the citizens of the city this chapter is enacted to protect preserve and promote the health welfare peace and quiet of the citizens of liquid through the reduction prohibition and regulation of noise it is the intent of this chapter to establish and provide for the sound levels that will eliminate reasonable and excessive noise reduced community noise promote a comfortable enjoyment of life property and conduct of business and prevent sound levels which are physically harmful and detrimental to the individuals and the community and so again i ask the elected representatives of the city of lakewood to please take this issue seriously and to take action to either require the owners of the professional range to install adequate soundproofing and to put an end to the environmental noise pollution their facility creates or revoke th operate until they are able to do so hey anybody else wish to speak yes sir conversations i've had with friends and neighbors and people throughout lakewood over the past year about growth i think it's no surprise that growth has been perhaps the most contentious issue in our city for a few years now and it said it's a dirty word to a lot of folks there's a lot of folks who say that you know we're sick and tired of it and we just need to stop it and slow it down all it brings us is more you know more traffic more noise you know a more crowded schools and parks you know fears that it's going to you know increase our taxes if we just allow more growth and development to happen and there's a counter argument to that there's a there's reasonable people i think who argue that well another  effect of the fact that the our city and the denver region is growing so quickly is that housing values are skyrocketing out of control and we need to build a lot more housing if we want to contain that and maintain the ability for families like like my own like most of the friends i know like all my friends it basically except for me all of our families are you know one are close to are renting and every year they're getting closer and closer to being pushed out of this and many of them already have been there's a counter argument in this growth debate about that issue to that you know building more housing somehow doesn't solve it that supply and demand in the housing market is a challenging it's tricky it's complicated it's not so easy it's just build more houses and housing values go down right you know some of these new apartments that are being built around town have rents that start at two thousand dollars a month who you know what middle class family is that affordable for for a two thousand dollars a month and so there's this argument out there that i've heard a lot that really intrigued me that building more housing it doesn't really work to reduce housing costs because housing is just such an inherently complicated market and so i wondered is that is that true can i find data about that and so i did some of my own research and i wanted to find some data to at least clarify that question because i think that one question there does building more housing reduce the cost of housing or not i have a graph here that i put up here this is from from trulia comm it's a real estate website where you can you know search for houses for sale anywhere in the country and they're a real estate experts and economists did a study i was back in two thousand and fourteen when they did this but the data still largely applies no expensive housing market builds much housing so on the bottom we see  metropolitan areas across the country the number of houses they've built per thousand units from one thousand nine hundred and ninety over the last three decades essentially and on the vertical axis we have the median asking price per square foot for houses that are for sale so what this graph is telling us in the bottom right corner there we have some cities that have built lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of housing and they're very inexpensive in the bottom left corner we have some cities that haven't built much housing at all and they're pretty affordable too and then going straight up from there in the upper left we have a lot of cities that haven't built anything but if experience phenomenal growth and have seen sales prices climb astronomically along with it you can see denver there is the there's nine dots above it so we're the tenth most expensive housing market in the country and we've built just about less housing since one thousand nine hundred and ninety then than anybody you know we're not quite as bad as a you know a bunch of these california cities or new york yet but i will point out that this data i found on the internet goes through two thousand and thirteen from the same study they said the meeting housing price in in in the denver metro area allows about fifty percent of people making the average area income to afford a house well that was when houses here cost three hundred and twenty five that was that was four years ago and the median home price in denver is already over four hundred thousand dollars were closer to what san francisco was four years ago when in san francisco only fourteen percent of people could actually afford a median priced home with a median salary which in san francisco is way higher than denver was then it still is now and so to that one point of the back and forth debate about growth it's good to keep in mind yes building more housing will reduce housing prices the cities that have done it have seen housing prices go lower and maintain affordability and maintain the quality of life of people being able to simply remain in the city and not get forced out not get priced out as is happening to a number of folks i know thank you for listening thank you anybody i live approximately of a mile east of where south lee street is located the gentleman told me that the rats that i have seen running through my yard during broad daylight are coming from the stream the creek that is located directly behind my home if you pull out a map and you locate my home on one thousand eight hundred and three south dover way and where the rat house is you can see that there is a direct connection there between waterways if we have any farmers in the room we all know where rats travel lakewood you have a problem here folks and it is not restricted to the one home i was here again two monday's ago and i appreciate the horror that was reflected on your faces and i appreciate the fact that you all have taken the time to go over there and see the hazard that has been created but this is not in just one home anymore folks we have a rat problem in lakew and i hate to be cynical but if you really want to reduce home prices and growth in liquid publicize that i think we have better publicity to give anymore it's this whole area kendrick lake jewel lake the apartments have had problems and i think it's time really to get jefferson county health department liquid is not a sanitary pest mafia wildlife and pest control operation we need some experts here and i know you all have been goo i would like to ask the city attorney to proceed posthaste in enforcing the code that deals with trash in our city that's the code that gives the thirty days after the posted date which was june nd now we're looking at july nd i believe in any event i looked up the arrest number that i was provided by the city information officer there is no such record in the court county system so is it a building department judge who's overseeing this is it a county court judge these are the questions i would like answered i'm a paralegal i'm no lawyer and i certainly don't have a jd but by god i would like some answers and i have promised the people that have lived next door to th situation that i will provide them every assistance available to a citizen open record citizen to get the information involved in this matter and that's all i have thank you for your patience anybody else all right councillor abel do you have a comment on public comment i have a question on  mister cox had considered declaring this a nuisance this rad house yet all options have been considered frankly including that and that's one of the things that we're continuing to work on while progress is being  made through the extermination process it's it's difficult to start on the clean up of the house until you have the the rat problem resolved but all options are being kept open at this point one of the reasons i ask is because under the nuisance ordinance they have seven days to abate the problem that gives them one week if it's not done then the city takes over and i think that would be probably the most efficient and effective manner to handle this one of my concerns is that the rats have already established a greater than normal population around the lakes that greater than normal population is going to give them an in boost for continued increases throughout the years so the problem as the lady said is no longer just with that house it's the entire ecosystem around it and this year of having rats breed uncontrolled has greatly exacerbated that what are we doing to reduce that infestation or the potentially booming population in natural areas around this house i can't speak to what's being done about that infestation i can tell you that we when we first became aware of this problem and met with several departments to map out a strategy one of the first things we heard was that there have been rats around those bodies of water and in those areas in much lesser numbers over the years and that that's certainly a contributing factor to the house that's been in question but this the the idea that this is a bigger problem than one house has been  tossed about a prior prior to this we have engaged the jefferson county health department i'm not sure what they've done lately i waited this afternoon for chief mccaskey update which we heard from earlier this evening to find out what the latest has been and i don't see any indication that the health department is back involved but we certainly will get on the horn with them and get them to come out look at this part of the equation i was just time is of the essence and we consider declaring a nuisance and taking it onto our shoulders to take care of this as soon as possible thank you okay so yep thank you for everybody miss george i apologize that nobody reached out to you um would thought that we had your information maybe we didn't so that'll change i'm not quite sure why you were referred to another council member instead of the professionals but that's a good way to go and we'll make sure that we follow up  and and go from there and you may be back another monday absolutely so i'm not sure the conditions of especially use permit or anything along those lines mister cox mister mayor just quickly on that i did after  george's last appearance here coincidentally we had a call about an incident at a different shooting range not having to do with noise but something completely different happened right around the same time so we had started some preliminary research and i'd be happy to discuss the findings of that research with with miss georgia i think i prefer to take it offline with with the application of state law versus local regulations so if miss georgia you give me your number i'll be happy to give you a call again okay thank you so we'll address that mister buckley your timely we have a housing committee that's getting ready to start meeting so always welcome citizen input and that's actually to start to peel the onion of a housing study and to look at our housing stock and what we have what we don't have and i would just lastly close with again echoing that staff has this council's full support to expedite everything possible to get this situation resolved for the folks on lee street and those people surrounding and i think while you're in the bubble it's miserable absolutely and i can tell you that every department in the city that touches us is on board working daily to try to figure out what to do and how to do and then when this is all done it'll be a great opportunity to kind of do an autopsy of the process to see if there was a gap or gaps that need to be addressed whether it's with the jefferson county department of health the county the city of lakewood what we need to do to ensure that this doesn't happen again and and i know that um you know you've reached out to everybody and folks up here really do care and we have a fiduciary responsibility not only to you but to that person who owns that house as well and that's where this gets to be sticky is ownership property rights things like that and so while it's not overnight those are the things that we're sifting through and you referenced a case number i believe the municipal court would probably be the one handling this at this point is that accurate so it would be a city lake case member you know the court be involved the building division has also taken some of the action so kaitlyn kaitlyn is a great resource in trying to get you those daily updates i'd encourage you to continue to communicate with her you'll have an opportunity to have a neighborhood meeting you know i'm certainly if you'd like me in attendance as well we're all hands on deck and we all want to help we also don't want to get in the way and we don't want to misrepresent or tell you bad information i think some of that's happened by potentially folks on this body who were meaning to do well but the effort because of all the communication hasn't been as coordinated so let's keep working with kaitlyn and count and style if staff knows  have our full support to expedite and do whatever you need to do to rectify this situation yes ma'am may i add two more points one is so counselor gutwein and harrison have asked staff to be present at this meeting whatever the meeting is called and we're happy to do that and we will have a high level employee who oversees con forcement so that person will be able to answer any and all questions that citizens may have in addition as we internally are looking at what what happened and what were some of the roadblocks from a staff perspective we are convening a group of representatives from different departments who are going to look at recommendations that will be forwarded to you as it relates to some stronger language in our ordinances that allow us to that talk about entering a residence so that we don't have to wait for a court order and hit these certain standards so this is a new situation and we will take a proactive role before everything's resolved even and start talking about what we would recommend for stronger language an ordinance to prevent this happening again thank you kelso franks mister cox what i would want to ask is because over the last couple of years that i've been on council we've had a number of i'm gonna call noise complaints from various sources so as you kind of convey the information about how state law in local law it'd be helpful for us to understand because we the code it's a bit vague and it's hard to interpret and there's you know so i would really want to know how can we we've had people come with you know fire worse noise complaints with people with driving noise complaints we've had people with you know just loud how can we understand noise as a as an irritant to our to our citizens and better be able to communicate what the laws do and don't allow and then also see where we may have gaps in our current ordinance that are leaving people at risk so i want to let to turn into a more holistic discussion with council at some point absolutely had no problem with th to discuss with miss george is specific to state regulation of shooting ranges so it's not gonna have any real impact on anything else but we certainly do get those complaints and there are two kinds of noise ordinance is the objective ones where you take a measurement from a certain location and if it exceeds that number you have a case and the subject of ones that are determined by what's reasonable under the circumstances liquid is that both over the years they both have their pluses and minuses and we're always strike to find the  balance so i'm happy to engage in that discussion with counsel and i think we also had a brief presentation about this within the last twelve months so that could be out there so all right so let's move on to the consent agenda i'm gonna spare the script because it looks like item eight is only accepting minutes of the boards and commissions so unless the clerk please read it in incented agenda is item eight only accepting minutes of the advisory commission an inclusive communities executive committee meetings of march th and april th their full commission meeting of march st their annual planning session of march th and the historic preservation commission meeting minutes of may th all two thousand and eighteen thank you i'll now open the public hearing on the consent agenda nobody's signed up they may wish to speak seeing on all closed and asked for a motion well paul i move for the acceptance of the minutes and the boards and commissions and all which are included in the consent agenda items introduced into the record by the city clerk i second all right we have a motion second any discussion  code establishing the budget and audit board and appointing the members thereto and abolishing the ad hoc budget not at committee created by resolution two thousand and seventeen forty seven when i open the public hearing on item nine nobody's indicated speak i'll close the public hearing ask for a motion i move for the adoption of ordinance two thousand and eighteen twelve on second and final reading mayor i would move to amend the ordinance per the for the amendment that's on everybody's desk there specifically page two on the back and the if i if i could just you want an explanation is just yeah if you want to just give a brief over you we discussed it up first reading but yes is the finalized so this is great yeah and so the the amendment is to readjust to adjust the terms of the citizens on the board as we as we discussed and it's in conformant conformity with the intent of the policies and procedures committee which addressed this back early this year and about february and we had decided how we were going to do the do the the the terms for the citizen board members we were going to do a staggered term and so that's what this does just in to go along with what policies and procedures group did back in february and then the other thing that we that we did was we added a chairman or a chair i should say to the committee and that's in red there so that without those were the only changes this has gone through legal counsel and and i motion to amend do we need something spoken into the record or can the the motion be made based upon it looks like how would you like it i guess well the council has had this version and it has all the changes in it it's usually helpful to have the per site at least the precise sections identified where the changes are located so the third where as cla and the changes to oo concerning the terms of office that so potentially i could just read and then councillor betta could say so move do we could do a second yes yeah okay so the motion would be in the third whereas an ad hoc committee is by definition authorized to fulfill a temporary purpose but the city council and this is the edition desires the budget not at committee to have continuous existence and then go down and there's a new whereas before now therefore being ordained and that new whereas is whereas it is the determination of city council at a chair who also serv on city council is necessary for the efficient operation of the budget and audit committee and then section two five five point zero two o board chair comma board composition slash chair i'll shall be comprised of six members of which three shall be citizen members and three shall be members of the city council at the first meeting of each calendar year the members of the budget audit board is that right okay budget audit board shall elect a chair from among the three city council members who shall serve for a one year term the chair shall preside over all meetings and  undertake other duties as may be approved by the board and then in section two point five five point zero three oh would start with after the initial terms and appointments as shown below all citizen members shall be appointed by by council resolution for three year terms commencing on january one and ending on december st the city council members shall be appointed as state in the council policies and procedures initial terms and appointments as i just had a quick question about the chair from among the council members and just apologize for not knowing this but is this the same language as we have in our other or i guess other like for example a cic would be a borden commission or is it the same as the other ports it is different language because of the mixed composition of council members and citizens and it was the desire of in this case the mover the maker of the motion to amend that it be a council member that was discussed internally just because of the continuity of having council members chair the commission while the or the board in this case so in other cases sometimes it could be a citizen no we don't have a mixer i'm not sure if there is a commissioner i guess that's yeah so could could councillor beto would you mind just giving me a brief overview of why why you wanted to add this what why you mean chair for a chair hmm well because right now there is no chair there's a the board has no chair we have six members three and three no chair and didn't make sense that we not have a chair somebody needs to preside over the meeting and right now from my experience it's been just kind of a flows along and there's no real you know control of what's going on so i'm just all board's all committees have a chair and so we felt like we needed to have one and this as a council stated this is the only board that i know of where we have both citizens and councillors and so i felt like we needed to have that chairperson be from our council so that we could you know have the interaction between the board and the and the and the council and you know the continuity so to speak  and i felt that it was really our responsibility as a councillor to really one of us to run the meetings so that's my reasoning that makes sense to me i the reason i'm asking i was on the this board  or the budget not at committee i guess it was called at the time and it what is important to me is that this is not doesn't become political and agenda setting and all of that because i think it's really important that we get unbiased factual information at this meeting and so you know that that's my only concern with this change  and so i just wanted to raise that question as we're discussing this if there is one committee board or whatever that is maybe more important than anything else it's our budget because that drives everything else that this city does that's how we pay our bills that's how we and it's how we fund our the policies of this board and so to say it could have become political well sure it's going to be political because i think there's no question because they're gonna be times when the policies of this board are gonna be discussed in terms of the funding and the budgeting and and we want to make sure that our the policies of this board are being reflected in the budgeting matters i mean that to me that's how it should work and so yeah i think that's exactly how i would anticipate that this would work and i would think that that would give you great comfort because again we can't decide anything ultimately whatever this board does is going to come back to council and this council is gonna make the final decision it's the the idea is in my mind is to more kind of just like all other committees sort of streamline what we do so that when it comes here it takes less of your time and you know you can debate the issues that really are pertinent and not spend time on you know you know things that are not really you know important or relevant so that's i think that's the idea is to sort of streamline what's done and make sure that the policies of this council are reflected in the budgetary process abel i am wondering why having a chairman of a committee would cause the quality of information to suffer which is what you all i wanted to ask is that i you know we the budget is the pulp the ultimate most important direction that we as a body give and we do that as a body and the budget and audit committee you know i want to make sure that we get unbiased information from that committee and that the what goes on there is reflective of what all of us direct would that's all i'm saying is that i think that it needs to reflect the body as a whole we do have that checks and balances in place and i guess i mean it sounds like the intent is to make this a more political process which i'm not sure is best serving the community as a whole moving forward so i'm just raising the question i don't necessarily know that that's the case so if i may i just don't get the connection i'm sorry we have a number of committees i don't want to belabor the thing but we have a number of committees in the chairmen on the committee doesn't affect the quality of the information what i'm saying is that this is a council manager form of government and the budget is prepared along with staff so this is different from a lot of our other committees where we are doing like for example the legislative committee we have we are reviewing policies and we are policymakers but none of us up here are financial directors the  budget not at committee meetings this year that we've attended i think we've only had two mike but what do you think okay three i stand corrected what i saw in the meetings is that the normal process would be that our finance director larry door would give us an update on what was happening in that and the suggestions the agenda was not necessarily larry's agenda other than the timeframe of where we are in the budget and audit process sharon i think you said on this committee in the past barb has was trying to think of other people i if we want to do a chairman i mean so be it let's do it but i don't feel like if i were listed as the chair of that committee other than calling the meeting to order and saying gee finance director door can you give us the update and where are we i don't see what a chairman would do in this particular case whereas in other committees they might be a little bit more driving the discussion i'm not comfortable whatsoever in in delivering the agenda of that committee even though i sent sit on that committee i don't feel like i have the knowledge to say this is as a city what we need to be working on in terms of finances for the whole thing larry's the one our finance director is the one who knows where we are what what m need to be looked at by council and where we are in the process just my thought so let me just interject so there actually is on the chair of the police pension board  myself and mister doar and three represents from the police department and i am just the chair i open the meeting and i turn it over to our professionals the legislative committee is similar though councilwoman johnson is the chair nealon really does all the coordination with all the staff departments and getting the bills and brings them forth to the committee so this isn't any different and as long as that's how it's going to be run i have no problems with supporting the idea of a chair okay so there's four more people that want to speak i think that this council's moved in a new direction with more committees and so we're growing into this but i certainly don't think that the intention of a chairman is to impede any sort of agenda or try to silence keep in mind those three committee members still go through council already so those people are selected by this body already to be part of it so i would encourage us to potentially just either vote the amendment that's on the floor up or down and then we can proceed and if you really want to speak i will ensure that you have that opportunity i call the question all right i second the question has been called so please cast your votes on calling the question and the okay ten eyes one day so we will call the question there's a motion in a second on the floor please for cast your votes please state the motion again that's to have the chair yes ma'am that's that's the entirety of what was read state of colorado as a local historic site fantastic we actually will open the public hearing on this nobody's wish to speak seeing them will close the public hearing and i'll invite holly beam down from our neighborhood planning who's gonna give a presentation for me okay we'll see how it goes thank you all i'm holly bang with comprehensive planning and research before i start my presentation tonight i wanted to introduce some people with me tonight is rachel o'connell wicker stamp who is the owner of the property also is jim hearten and susan ely with hartman ely investment who our partner developers with miss wickersham and also the chair of our preservation commission i here is calvin jennings with the commission so thank you all thank you so tonight i am asking city council to approve the historic preservation commission's recommendation to designate the site of the former hospice of saint john is a local historic site the site is located on at the corner at the intersection of everett court in west th avenue it sits just north of the light rail line just east of the garrison stationed in north lakewood excuse me the site serve as a a cabin for visitors and people that were visiting people on site there are also two memorial gardens or contemplative gardens which are very very integral to the site these in s in bohemia and made his way to london where he started working in the hospice industry there he became very intrigued with the london model of the hospice industry as we didn't have him in the united states at the time while he was working in london he met with sister darcy who was actually from denver's saint joseph's hospital at the time and she requested that father paul come to colorado and expose the united states to this form of hospice care and it served he the hospice and father paul both had a leading role in the national movement and development of the hospice industry during its tenure the hospice cared for well over twenty five zero patients regardless of race religious affiliation or financial means in fact it was probably one of the first hospices that accepted aids patients in the early eighteen eight nineteen s when so many other care facilities were not accepting patients they relied heavily on the work of dedicated volunteers served and the nursing staff there the hospice has been recognized in the past by all levels of government this has included two commendations from the united states congress as hospice of saint john's month say stating that the hospice was a colorado treasure to be honored and recognized for its twenty years of service to the community of lakewood fathers paul philosophy was that a hospital is a house of healing where people come to men relationships may not be whole father paul passed away in two thousand and five the hospice closed in two thousand and thirteen due to federal budget cuts the period of significance for the hospice is from one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven when the hospice first began operations to two thousand and thirteen when it closed its door and served its last patient the site retains integrity as it is in the original location where it provided care and nursing during its thirty six years in tech of tenure it maintains integrity of setting as a site layout remains intact and the buildings and the relationship to the gardens remain as they were designed to function and serve as a hospice and it also retains integrity of association as there maintains a direct link between the site and historic use and character of the site at a public hearing in may the preservation commission determined that the site met criterion a of the historic preservation ordinance as being a significant contribution to the broad patterns of the city of liquids history for its decades of caring for liquids residents family members and friends as well as its nation leading role in the development of the hospice industry and its recognition by all levels of government for its important community contribution notification for this public hearing was met pursuant to the historic preservation ordinance notice was provided to the property owner and the applicant legal notes was published in the city's publication of record and courtesy notice was provided to the president in addition the sign was posted as required two weeks prior to this public hearing tonight i'm asking that city council approved the historic preservation commission's recommendation to designate the site of the  a couple of paragraphs the auburn neighborhood fully supports this request and urges council to make the designation it speaks to our collective interest in recognizing and preserving our neighborhoods heritage provides of another affordable housing option and addresses the concerns of neighbors regarding the scale traffic and parking we find the owner and developer to be compassionate regarding housing who share our passion for historic preservation and we trust they will do a good job of preserving the site as well as redeveloping it in a sensitive way we ask that you please offer your support for this action thank you p of the auburn neighborhood association i would like to add that my mother in law spent her last days there in dignity with compassion and comfort and it is a re was a remarkable place thank you thank you councillor johnson thank you at one point in my career i was a hospice nurse and i'd just like to say the hospice of saint john's was the gold standard for this region and frankly many miracles happened in that building there on many levels for a variety of reasons this is a beautiful use of this historic and frankly this to me is a sacred site i'm grateful of the thought that has gone into this and keeping this in place thank you well other folks have looked at this in very different ways for different uses and i'm so glad we've come to this place where it's going to be for you to carry on this is a beautiful continuation of the legacy of this land go for a motion please yes i move for the ordinance two thousand and eighteen thirteen on second and final reading i second it we have a motion a second any more comments i would just echo thank you i think we all have interesting not interesting memories but compassionate memories or we all have a story and for me my dad was a minister and so i remember going with him to visit people in the facility and always found it while you knew what was going on it was a special place for those folks who were there so special memories for all and i certainly will be supporting it so please cast your votes of the colorado revised statute for the purpose of considering the purchase of real property by the city and developing strategies or are for negotiators and instructing negotiators all concerning the proposed sale by auction of the remainder of the land known as the taylor estates i further moved to adjourn this meeting ok eleven eyes zero nays so just for reference of those folks who are here we'll finish this meeting go into executive session and we will not come back in two and there will be no votes taken or anything along those lines in executive session so we'll continue with item twelve executive report miss watson yes thank you just a couple things a reminder of the development dialogue meeting committee meeting tomorrow july t bells six p m also i'd like to extend my personal thank you to all of the staff and all of the volunteers who made the big big boom bang such a wonderful event they did a love job and i'm just so proud of them and i thank you for the emails that we received from a few of you that i was able to pass on to the staff so thank you please make sure to participate in the parks and parks and recreation month activities especially that movie on the fifteen there are so many wonderful ways that staff is able to showcase the programs and facilities that we have in the city and please  encourage people to take advantage of those the movie of course reminder is july th very recently i had the opportunity to attend a retirement party and this is a special one because our own susan martin  who actually set up the cultural center was the founding leader at the cultural center and has done an amazing job there she's recently retired and that's a real legacy for us and we'll really miss her  it was a heartfelt goodbye and there were a lot of tears because she did a lot of work and she's really done a lot for the city so susan martin gets to enjoy life outside the city i had the opportunity also to help hire the next arvada police chief and they hire it was a tough competition and they hired their own link straight who has been with the department for his entire career and it's very deserving and he's been on the for a long time and has a really amazing career in arvada so congratulations to him very quickly many of you have asked me about the action center shelter and disposition thereof as well as the foothills animal shelter that we talked about in a recent county commissioners meeting both of those will be addressed very shortly i believe this one this week and one next week with all of the county city managers and the county manager so i will have an update and recommendations for all of you as it relates to the health of those two really important programs again the action center shelter as well as the foothills animal pretty a pretty informative training today on active shooting and i really appreciated that he had an actual presentation but also was really willing to answer all of the questions that we had so i wanted to publicly think agent mat frank's this saturday nine thirty green mountain presbyterian church we will have our ward for meeting and the topic is municipal funding and tavr so should be a lively discussion we have a staff member who will be there along with m paul so looking forward to this saturday nine thirty should be fun bicycles old folks on bicycles people walking people sitting in their yards waving us on it was and there were a lot of folks in the parade it was a remarkable effort followed a fantastic show everyone i've talked to said it is the best ever not for lakewood the best one they have ever seen so and it turns out that the fireworks outfit is owned one meeting last saturday was rousing we discussed tabor and its possibilities and implications as well as the short term rental proposal that's coming before us and boy did we ever get a wide bunch of opinions on both subjects and a lot of very interesting and enthusiastic comments so good luck on ward for next saturday i'll be harrison i just wanted to thank all those who gave me support during the time that my husband was going through surgery i really appreciate that good news is good news he's home and recuperating it's not gonna be quick but he is honor enough to where i think he'll overcome so i just want to say thank you very much you're a great group of people appreciate that helps we're skilling echoing that tomorrow night we have our second meeting of the development dialogue committee and thank you to the staff and marque and the other staff that's not here for their work in compiling the information for tomorrow night the first meeting was well attended by the public and a lot of people here i would like to set aside some time in a future meeting and give a more full report and by then we'll have at least two if not three meetings we'll have three meetings under our belt in the committee and i would like to give a better report but that's tomorrow night at and we have newsletters still available that barb puts together very well those are still available you can reach out to us email us and we'll get that to you no so i have a couple quick things i want to talk about it's been a couple weeks i would also echo mean streets family day shelter has also been shut down so we are definitely without shelter in jefferson county on all levels so i hope that we have some some decent ideas on how to move forward so i look forward to hearing from our city manager about what that looks like had an incredible opportunity to celebrate a unique group of people that jeffco platoon which was fifty young men who joined forty five years ago all signed up on the same day to go to vietnam and through scott hefty and so the support of the city of lakewood they had a ceremony out here to honor those men and there's a bench now in front of the police department that honors them and to hear their stories and a special shout out to county manager don davis who did an incredible job and i think he speaks that language although he's a marine vet and the army guys gave him a little bit of a hard time but but please go over and check out that bench in you can see you know the different names and quite an honor and wonderful stories of bravery summer concert series hazel miller is wednesday night liquids favorite so get out there if you can caffeine cruz is that nine thirty a m starting at the village roaster on  saturday saturday the th so that is the second ride it's kind of modeled after the denver cruisers which has had great popularity throughout the denver area first friday in the forty west arch district is always fun but the colfax museum is moving to our west colfax and johnny colfax was there and he's quite a character and so he talked about how jack kerouac because people said why are you moving less co the colfax museum to lakewood and he said well jack kerouac hung out in denver but he bought a house in lakewood so they have the pop up museum there for a few weeks and they're looking for a more permanent position at pastor pastor campuses where  now so that was really cool a lot of great support and i mentioned that our cultural center was the fourth largest attendance increase of cultural facilities but guess who saw the largest visitation of cultural facilities in the metro area the jeffco public library more than the denver zoo more than the museum's jefferson county public library so hats off to them and i know they have a new executive director so that's all i have and we're going to move into executive session and again we will adjourn from there