again welcome my name is natasha sherman and i am your host and my guest today is lisa klein lisa is a physical therapist as well as an integrative manual therapist or in short form i  t and she's here today to talk about that and about an alternative healing methodology so welcome lisa thank you so you know alternative kinds of healing and taking care of our health is becoming much more mainstream so it's not either this or that for me integrative manual therapy is something new and i found you on you tube and what i really found fascinating was that there are things that we can do on a daily basis that seem really simple and that can be powerfully effective so i'd like you to talk to us just about what is should really be a better alternative because it's more basic science then anything else so it's looking at the anatomy the physiology and the mechanics of every chit you in the body and how to when there's a problem so when you say looking at so if a doctor says we're going to look at the tissues in the body whatever he's going to do some you know technical stuff they're going t x rays etc so when ramsay looking at how do you as a therapist look at we mean feeling for so every tissue in the body has its own movement to it so how we're train and you know for some people that may sound far fetched but having been a massage therapist i totally understand you're seeing things through your hands yes yes so what additional training for your a physical therapist but what kind of training did you do to you know when i was in physical therapy well the anatomy the all that was great the treatment technique i didn't think were fabulous so i started looking for people who really knew that piece of it and i studied with many different practitioners and tell i found the ones who i thought were the smartest and had the painting wow so talk to me about some of the things that you can do that perhaps or you know that it's the successes you've had ok so most people don't realize that a lot of their problems are from accumulated load on tissue meaning one thing can happen and it's not that big a deal but when several things happen and you start having problems and for most people if you take the time and talk to them and try and you know what's going on you find it injury you find  infectious and you find something that caused the problem and then doesn't make sense yes yes and it's just you know  when people have surgery and they have scar tissue and that scar tissue can impact all of their tissues and their bodies but what people don't realize is every time you have an injury there is scar tissue created so we have so many cases in head injuries than they were younger that cause our tissue and then they have to grow at our tissue so so many of my patients had head injuries car accidents falling out of a building something happens when they were younger that as a row started causing more problem or it could have had a significant injury as an adult that is never fit and be and causing problems so this way of treating looks at every issue everything to try and quick reset back to neutral so that's it's kind of stunning it makes sense but we don't think in those terms we think everything is localized and just treat the localized you know presenting problem and it'll get fixed and what it was us yeah you're a they are much much much more aware of this and we treat more like so if i came to you let's say i came to you with a problem i have chronic lower back pain i don't but will pretend and so somebody sends me to you what would happen what can i expect from you so i just want to tell our audience that the last half of this interview you're going to be demonstrating somebody else created this video with you but it's very powerful you're going to be demonstrating techniques that we can do at home so i have a question about one of the techniques and then i want to go on to some other questions so one of the techniques is let's say i have a headache so i put my hand in the area of pain and then i take my other ok so then you would take your left hand and put it on your shoulder and process your shoulder so i said the shoulder first ok got it and you're using the back of your hand there and yes yes that's fine yes you have to get your shoulders and i've been using it for sleep yeah and i just watched your video about a week ago but i'm finding it already useful and protective leora lee also that what you suggest with kids so i invite people to stay tuned so they can see so then there's something here the practitioners of i m t assess clients by using their hands they feel the body's circadian biologic rhythms and movement but it's also started you know that's great i went to the classified so it is scar tissue and you're saying every time i injured myself as a kid and fell down and bruise myself that left a lasting impact severe the injury what part of the body is affected and whether or not that will determine whether or not there's a lasting impact so we have a child we treat this one and when he was five months old he  disorder is that accurate yes anything that has a as a present patient has a structural correlate structure that kate function period so no matter what the problem is there should be a structural problem that you could find and then hope the dream miles so in this part of our interview we've got like three minutes left what is it that you would like to tell the audience in terms of what to watch for you know how what they can do and other than watch the rest of this just any advice or just realize that no matter what you're experiencing there's a reason and just because traditional medicine hasn't been able to figure it out doesn't mean a lot fixable and a lot of times with that time in the effort you can turn around a lot of  we work with the check narrow we work with patients who have had the ear injuries and telling a patient that there's nothing you can do too bad for you it's not ok no matter what the problem so we we try and figure things out and if we can do what we said to somebody else but again medicine for it to say too bad for you totally  unacceptable i like that and medicine often does say that or you know or then or you know there's the whole issue of overmedicating as well but so we're going to watch the video that you did and you know learn that well you know and the tools your interview with tara wall and i appreciate you coming on and talking to us but also for letting us use this  so i'm lisa klein the director of total health physical therapy and what we're going to go over today are a few of the simple home program points that we give patients to process in between their treatment sessions and we found that these are very helpful when patients are recovering from an injury or a trauma and they make it so that their process their progress when we work on them is actually a bit faster because it makes things continually in motion so the first one that and they are kind of deep in there but we access them by putting a hand on the lower back in the small of the back so what we do is when we have patients you committed to have you know headaches or pain or whatever we want them to have a way of continuing to bring the inflammation down in between in between treatment sessions so what we have to do is put a hand on whatever part of the body is bothering them but so what we would do is say that he's coming in with headaches we have the patient put a hand on their head and the other you peter out so basically what they do is they drain fluid out they help in that process so what we do is we have the patient put a hand on their head and in the other hand across the lower back and it seems like a very simple thing to do but it's very helpful in getting fluid  you know a lot of difficulty in the chast for whatever reason you can put a hand on the chance to meet him in the urine or you can also do this this does help move the emotional issues out when things are really not moving so if you've had a hard day at work on your emotional you can put a hand on the heart and the hand across the lower back i had a patient of him in the other day saying his heart was broken perth and we sat there and processed as hard a little bit to help him out and so any can you can do it on the belly just any area where you're having an issue see put a hand in the area of the issue in the other hand across the lower back and what my patients will say is that it may take you collection that may take a few times during it but after a while they actually feel something they feel heat coming out in the field ling they get very tired and they get very red so if they don't feel anything the first few times i just say you know just stick with it anyway just do it and because it does make it easier for me to treat them but after a while every patient who's come in and says oh you know i really was just getting tired and i was relaxed and i felt this and i felt that and once they know that it actually does something they end up you know processing their husband and their kid was a very nice kind of tool to have so again the first thing that we're going to teach you is for first aid wherever you're having the issue you put one hand there and then the other hand across the lower back and you hold for about twenty minutes so another processing area that we give to patients when they're coming from an injury or a trauma is to process the heart the heart actually known as the center for many things the body the main thing obviously being circulation so often when you have an injury or a trauma you want the circulation to the area to normalize where they are increasing decreasing that you wanted to be back to normal so wherever you're having an issue i have a patient now who just had a total knee replacement that's not doing so well so for her will get her hands on the in her hands on the heart and what that but that will do is start to normalize the communication between the area where the issue is and the circulation ok it's kind of a strange concept but every part of the body is always communicating with every other part of the body and that communication needs to be in the category of normal so too much communication is not good to little communication is not good it's like you're at a dinner party and everybody has to be talking nicely with each other you know if two people are yelling or if one person isn't talking at all that's not good so we want you to be having a happy dinner party in your body  social thing that we have here so what we do again is you would have for this technique you have a hand on the heart and then a hand on an area of the body where you're trying to improve the circulation this is great for people who have normal and the thing about the heart is that it is not only the center for circulation for the body i mean it's hugely important for life i mean just everything about your life should be kind of directing your heart so many people as they go through life take hits you know you have issues and so the heart really takes the head so referring back to the first video one thing that you can do that's very therapeutic is a hands on the heart and a hand on the be talked about and that's a really nice way to kind of drain anything that may be affecting your heart and help it to move out and it's just when people do that i cannot tell you it's just i'm getting reaction right now  haven't done enough yet but i believe very relaxing all right so especially when somebody has been through anything that's traumatizing we do a lot of hard work it's very helpful and how low would you hold us so when we do these points we hold them for about twenty minutes ok and patients have asked well what if you sneeze or cough you know so that's fine you know to start over again you just pick up where you left off but also when patients are processing often they find the areas that feel really relaxing like the heart to me feels really really good is if you want to improve the functioning of your frontal lobe which is where memory cognition and concentration and all these things are in this part of the brain and for most people who come in and we have a very detailed intake for eight times out of ten people feel that they have difficulty concentrating system incredible so what you do for this one nation have a hand across the frontal here above the eyes and the other hand would be in the area across the lower right and what you can do is you would hold them for about twenty minutes this is also it's it's ok for headaches but we're going to go to a different one in a minute for headaches this is wonderful for strategies for difficulty concentrating our you know difficulty with just any function of the frontals if you take your pinky and actually drop it into the bridge of your nose at that point you're getting one of the access points for the limbic system so if you have a rage so if your hands are up here you might as well do this because it's quite nice so and it's for relaxing it may help with sleeping on the run and cover another one in a minute that's good for sleep so this is just a nice way to kind of bring your bring your brain back calmness so the next point that we're going to go over that connection is something that again most people in washington really need and that's not me i'm never stressed ever but so most people who come in have a lot going on and they're a little bit stressed out so it's the adrenal glands that process that stress and they produce cortisone will and all those nice chemical means and what they do is they perpetuate a stress response sometimes when you're in a stress response and sometimes hard to get out of it so that's why crossing the adrenal glands is very helpful the only thing about them is that they're a little bit hard to reach so i show you how to reach them  on the kidneys like little hats and when they are under a load they just scream bloody murder and they just lowered love a load all right they love getting treated love it and with patients when you do th even if they are kind of hard to reach you will feel yourself relaxing so when you do it you put a hand on your back and it's about four women it's about a bra strap level because you want to give your kidneys so i usually use a big my hand that and then my other hand across that small of the back area and as soon as you touch it up and you can start to feel like i feel that's doing something again not for me totally i'm never sure i am not kidding  drills period so this is a very relaxing line to do very relaxing it's great also for cardiac patients to feel it in your heart your heart will start to calm and it's great for our children who have had they do it on the people around them because you can start to say oh you're very uncomfortable let me help you know let me help you so and i can't even tell you how effective it is the children because children are so open and they love to be touched anyway so you don't have any like you know issues and even i've worked on many many autistic children and they love it so and kids who you think are tactile the defense if you kind of start to work on them like this it's usually they are just totally into it so the last one that we're going to say is involving the back of the head which is a really nice the area to do for a general calming down from a neuro perspective neurological but also it's great for headaches one of the main reasons for headaches whatever  they are is because the dream engine of fluid is not so great coming out of the head so the body is really good at making sure the brain has enough blood but sometimes not so good at getting it out all right so if anybody has i had a expression headache migraines this is usually helpful it may not fix the problem but it may it will help take the edge off a little bit or it should so you have a hand on the back of your head just right where your ponytail and there you go and then the other hand goes in the back of the back here on the small that this is one that people often do when they're going to sleep because the sleep center is in the brain stem that we're taking our activating system so for people who are having a hard time getting to sleep