following program is sponsored by seattle open door church yet all open door church he's committed to loving god loving people and loving why our doors are open to whomever no mass required seattle open door church you're going to give you a raise is the new testament says why not the tide is not good that should make it easy for you ok so tithing is a principle that's in the bible in the new testament it doesn't talk about tithing specifically  talks about giving the next record to talk about more of new testament principle giving but last week we gave me a reason why not to tie in the old testament so now we're going to be eight reasons why not to tie in the new testament if you have your bible grab second christians chapter nine verses nine and nine remember this a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small craw but the one who plants generously will get a generous c ok you choose how you give for god loves a person who gives cheerfully and god generously provide all you need then you always have everything you need em plenty left over to share with others as scripture says they verses so here's the first reason not to give the very first reason it says remember this a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small a crop number one reason why not to try you know the number one reason why is so you can get a small crop so if you want to small crop you want to put your seeds emily amie's ever did gardening but if you ever had a garden you plant a seed if you haven't had a garden hope you've taken a little bit of class in school and you remember something taught you if you take a seed and you planted in the ground what happens there doesn't grow up first it dies it dies in the ground and when it dies the ground then it what it germinates and then when you and don't give reluctant a response to pressure so yeah good question for you if you want to be at a place where you say i don't want to tie the second reason you can decide not to is because you've decided in your heart that you don't want a generous clause crop which is generous me a lot so i don't want to tied because i don't know a lot i want to little as i can possibly you always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others so what you want to do is you know i've got to provide your needs as anybody not want god to provide your needs anybody here says i don't want my needs provided by god i could do a good job myself anybody tried that so here's what we do how many know this this think about this for a moment i have a need and this says here that god will just revised all you need this is a verse verse nine or eight per se all you need so how many when you have a need what you do is you say you know what you can't trust god so what i'll do is i'll get a second job anybody ever get that second job now if you're a single mom and you get the second job guess what you have to pay for what child care a babysitter ok but you know we're not i'll go ahead and are paid three hundred dollars four hundred dollars five hundred dollars for a babysitter so i can get some extra money anywhere see how that works sometimes because then you work an extra twenty hours and you have to have a care you pay daycare and half your money goes to daycare now it's nice of you to provide for the community because you're giving that daycare center some money  but what if you turn around and you said things are tight you know what i'm going to do is says you provide all you need so i have a need so what i'm going to do is i'm going to i am going to give ten percent and see what god does do you know that most people don't try that to find out and so they said why don't i can't do that i can get a second job and give half of that money i make do you know when you get a second job now is there in the role of the second job sometimes you have to get a second job ok but out of it you get this second job half your money you're working for free or you could turn to god you say you meet all my needs so i'm going to tie them well i can't they don't have enough money what about giving like i said last week give one percent two percent what about you turn around and you give of your time now that doesn't sound very good makes sense whatsoever why would i give of my time to volunteer to help somebody because i have no money to give to the kingdom right now but i can give of my time i get some  time and i'm supposed to trust god that when i give my time as of a second job he's going to bless me yes but then you get you don't want god to provide your needs so you don't give you know you have to get by fa finances to touch others that you read the member for ever people will be talking about you so this think of a dare was the anybody remember we have a box in the back that's why you put your ties we do a part of the reason we wrong with passing the offering plate nothing wrong with that whatsoever but guess what if you're giving because you walked over the box and put it in a problem be reluctantly and if it is you won't get blessed anyways ok but you say you go there with there's a princip remember the lady that had no money she had about a penny and she goes what she gives and she's talked about for average her that was two thousand years ago we're still talking about the lady that jesus gave her praise for giving what little that she had she gave the last that yap and jesus talks about her gives the story of two thousand years we're talking about are there good deeds will be remembered forever but you don't want your good deeds remembered forever so another reason why not to tie because you want your stint just to be remembered forever you want to be known as a person that doesn't give that keeps everything to yourself so that's a good reason to not tie so that you can be known as a stingy person is anybody catching on i hope you or maybe somebody says that i love being stingy ok then what you can do is next you can stand up and tell everybody by the way i never tie because i'm stingy you know dear brothers and sisters who are that whose brothers and sisters church the body of christ believers christians now what you know dear brothers and sisters what god in his kindness has done through the churches in macedonia so there were churches in the region called macedonia impost talking about them and he's talking about them to give an example to the corinthians so that means the mass donors were doing something that christians were doing which group do you want to be the but they're also filled with abundant joy which as overflowed in rich generosity now that is messed up this is the mess doors of filled with abundant raw joy because they were what they were generous but they were also poor are that is that messed your head up so says they had many troubles and they were being tested anybody ever had many troubles anybody ever had financial trouble and we feel like god testy in the midst of financial trouble anybody'd the midst of financial trouble europe are and so what do you do with the bible teach you give generosity you g even when you're poor in your struggle you're going through trials and tribulations you say you know what out of out of faith i'm going to give and if you give a guess what you're like the macedonian church and this is other given there was a bun that's a joy so in a couple weeks when a people start testifying of their giving and how it worked for them to give how many here in this room here not to raise your hand but you know in your heart there are times when there was trials there was troubles and you were lacking and you still ga and then all of a son there was a joy in the midst of giving and somebody says well i don't believe that's true you know why you don't believe this true because when you were poor and trials you didn't give you didn't have the experience but when you're in the midst of trials missionary the philippines and you give either money or stuff help with coloring books and rising crayons and all those kind of things that's another way of giving or another way of giving us past reinado our hispanic pastor he lost his wife two weeks up and say pastor if there's any way that i can watch your kids is that a way to give you don't think you'll be blessed to watch as kids well i don't know all you say is i don't know there may be problems but the minister to his kids is a way to give the few don't have finances you don't think there will be joy he says they may realize that you're touching his life in a special way what other ways can you give that maybe you don't have something that you can give but you can give of your time you may not be able to give your money but some of you have money but you don't have time so if you have to have don't have the time you have money you can give there will be abundant joy but some of you don't want joy so you don't give so that's another reason why not to tie that you don't want to have  own free will they begged us to begin again for the privilege of sharing and the gift for the believers in jerusalem the even did more than they had hoped for their first action is to give themselves to the lord and to us just as g will in other words pardon to say you guys need to give because you are christians you'll never hear me from this part but say you have to give you have to give you don't give your terrible rotten christians if you don't give you're going to be poor i'm not tell you all that i'm giving you principles and then it's up to you what you give you get to choose if you freely give or not just as they could not afford what they gave but they gave more that's just messed up in the philippines they believe in t s we trust in the government when we have need instead of trusting god when we have the we trust in the relative the neighbor you know come on this get real we have a church here that probably at least thirty percent of the style that has not been a good lifestyle and it's amazing how you would trust mom when you're forty years old to pay your rent this get real and when the rent doesn't get taken care of instead of saying you know what i need a job some will look for work your trust in a mob but how many of you in a clean and sober house will say i have a need i'm in desperation i'm a turn around to give him bucks to the to be blessed well i waited till you have the money to give how mean it weighted to the money you have to give me no you'll never give because last week we learned about the devour that i waited till i got enough money to give and you never have money to give because the devour eats up what you have because you're not their need is not as great as the christians the drus them so they give ok number seven another reason why not to give you well what you have to be destroyed you say you know i want what i do have the little i do have i want to be trader is here on this earth you're trying to build a big kingdom here on earth what are you guaranteed is going to be destroyed or you say well yeah but the rich man his treasures were destroyed your heart will be shown so what is a saint is saying do you want to build trays up in heaven how do you build churches up in heaven you give towards the kingdom you help out the poor you've made it the needs of bothers that's how you bear treasures in heaven and i hate to tell you let me tell you something a little secret i don't want to pay you this because some of you might actually follow the principle but if you build your treasure in heaven guess what i hate to tell you this you still won't get if you tie them tie the all you want you still won't get to have your big screen t v in heaven i hate to tell you that but even if you tie that really big when you get to heaven there will not be a big screen t v in your mansion daryn i know it's terrible i had to give you the bad news guess what you're going to be in the very presence of god and you won't need a big screen t v to see jesus you're going to get to see jesus river you are you going to see jesus and then just maybe you've built up your treasures in heaven you've served god you've honor god you do all that you know to do to serve god the best of your ability you trust in his holy spirit to give you the grace to follow him guess what you might get to have some some some sit down time with jesus you and jesus go off in your mansion someplace and there you and jesus have a discussion talk about all those things you don't understand when you're on earth i don't know i don't know how it looks i just know this the trade you get has been the very pr god and he doesn't destroy you because you have a glorified body because you trust in jesus christ as your lord and savior so if you don't want to have treasures in heaven if you want what you have on earth destroyed don't twenty dollars an hour how many of you say that i actually heard somebody say don't don't raise your hand don't acknowledge this by heard you talking on the phone and you said the job only pays thirteen bucks an hour how many know you like to get what fifteen bucks an hour right so you know a lot don't take the job because only pays thirty dollars an hour wait for the fifteen hour hour job how many do that i don't lot of people that do that  guess what they have at the end of the day nothing so some of you want the nothing you want the least so here's how you get the least the least get the least i know that luke chapter six verse thirty eight all pressed down shaken together make room for more are running over important to your lap the amount you give what determine the amount you get back a so i have a question for you if you g little what do you get little if you give little you get little if you give more you get more this is pastor rich in our next lesson we will be taking an  to talk to me person you can always give me a call to operate any time one eight six six one god you took a wrong path and like you hung out with the wrong people you went on the wrong place you did all the wrong thing and now you don't know how to get it right you're paying a terrible price for terrible choice doing whatever it takes to feed your habit even before you feed your body is it any wonder that so many addicts see no way out but there is a fairy for shipwreck so when lives are shouted from really upset on the road to recovery it's out with me today is richard dover director of her haven house i think the expression falling off the wagon is becoming more and more prominent referencing when people return to addictive behaviors after making initial attempts to get free sobriety always a struggle to maintain for former addicts whereas it is possible to overcome the state of fragility of lives possible overcome but to be honest most of us will take the do the work t like seattle open door church wants you to know that regardless of where you've been or what you've done god loves doors are open to anyone and everyone 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