to play and there are people of that of the jury's persuasion orthodox jewish the suasion and as it happens maybe a little bit unexpected to a lot of people viewing they happened to be very vehemently and from a spiritual perspective an zionist in their take on their world situation and we're going to be talking about that if i may just for and thirdly say yourself you were recently at the conference in iran and have met recently with the president over iran and that's something we're going to make reference to and so forth in the program to be a little forty's about that but gentlemen welcome very very much a conversation particular rabbi but once again a very good to see you and welcome you to the program i'm my far left if i could is rabbi and there was a really very there was a very subtle large community of jews that was even before hundreds of years well god fearing and they were their whole life was to be religious jews they didn't want this new ideology and they felt with an atheist and he on belief and you know forth and they had this idea the jewish community had been in exile for a couple one thousand years for a reason that we're going through and that there was a condition there by words they words really relevant that help give that community together and they were the feeling and when the st they announced they were to pick up and go and start nationalistic and start of faith and that sort of thing it was rejected by the vast overwhelming majority of all the jewish people that existed in the world am i correct in that well that i'm explaining that if all the people in the world should have it as clear as you do it we would be we would be saved from our problems because as you say we we were we bible that god gave the holy lives so they knew what they were doing they wanted to use the star of david to the saudis of judaism in the name which is the maccabees for the olympics what is not to be it was the five children of the high priests who would be an elevated state of universal justice dr and that it would be done totally with no military might being exerted in that traditional way of nations fighting one another at all and it would be within your these days and it does great existential and the so much of the devastation it was delivered on the people would say or and we've been good we've been good we've been good with the nations of the world and all the earth there's anti semitism built into the consciousness of the gentile world or of the world and we can no longer allow ourselves to just past the really go into the alban that sort of thing we must become strong and we can no longer go along with this path of idea and other that not part of the context where the involved different kind of view from the one you you read that you take and what what are what are we to say to them well out into the arms of the the geo political and the realities in the world and particularly th that is what we're talking about the including the genocide of defense of those in the breast women and children because no matter what they do with the terrible crimes we throughout the world just people will not believe the jewish people now how could you say that he said that they should wipe the jews go the moet called  it is that seen in iran or in the arab world or in the muslim or or in the broader world as an example of a european very western colonial attitude toward the other people of the world or not do they see israel as a power because we are better people and that people are not going to thumb for it react to that in a way that has meaning if they react to it and if they can leave the math of the truth of the world not well rd by the political leadership now if they react to that against israel that  states of america perhaps does not have a vision adequate to serving all the people in the world and this may be a way in which they've got an ally the do agree is joined in well you know and they will be able to bring a challenge in the basic assumption that the united states of america something new needed in the world and i leadership come from western world is not giving that vision to the world and the world means that vision and maybe adults are coming from a reaction from iran or from someplace where they have a vision that is that if we had one of the wired for the role of the people is there pressure that there would be exerted on the basic premise of the existence of the state itself do or is that something that is to be considered good we set up the th fleet and let people be excel like no dramas up in lebanon we don't believe that will happen but you don't think no i think that because we've spoken to many you don't think there or that is run by the world that is run by the bush administration the united states of america ever going to be questioned in terms of the fact that they have of the world and it's really and it's particularly relevant now because the destructive capability is so promethean now beyond where we can wipe out the old species which would be a bad idea to wipe out all the species in order to protect them outdated