on june twenty second sixteen thirty three galileo was put on trial at inquisition headquarters in their own all of the power of the roman catholic church seem determined to squash the scientists under threat of torture  was not present in person but he was there in spirit for his personal feelings of anger and frustration were the driving force behind the proceedings urban realized just how seriously galileo's new science chalons established church doctrine had declared the book of nature was written in the language of mathematics not in biblical terms this is where our own scientists in the twenty first century face when their discoveries and ideas go against orthodox science scientific doctrine as taught in major universities and the sciences seen on public television when discoveries for nearly free energy and nearly fruit on it or telecommunications and internet access some corporations in twenty sixteen or inquisitions spends hundreds of millions of dollars hundreds of medical science projects grants given to pursue science that is based on f jets and current subsidies that become for them science science and technology have become tools to make money not tools to truly improve our lives or help us understand the universe the advancement of absolutely i bought the newspaper i thought this would be really cool i was in the aerospace engineering and after they landed on the moon nasa stopped hiring and so of the seventy one graduates in aerospace engineering at iowa state university in the spring of late in seventy one got a job one got a maybe at sixteen i had no job prospects and i said i may need to look at a different career so so i really didn't know what the second idea was so i decided to just put my you know college education the whole and  i possibilities for energy to be sure that a small community started up well i mean at first i didn't know anybody was thinking about this i didn't know it in history i didn't know that people that you know discovering this over and over and over every decade for the last hundred years i didn't know any of those things at that time right and but by about nine hundred seventy five i realized you know i really need to continue my education and so instead of going back to school what i decided to do was i decided to start reading the works of the great geniuses of the last century and not read about them read what  building those things to do it exactly so i you know i started by you know reading reading to geniuses and seeing how much i could you know verify it personally and  my body lines of energy force just lit up like a christmas tree or christmas tree lights and i could see all the points on my body and i just all the sudden i just had the these abilities which but i didn't have any context i've kind of you know i kind of kid around about it but i tell people it kind of lived my life backwards because i was given these kind of initiatory experiences and then i would go back and study the stuff to see you know what was possible what was what was this about what was what was going on there exactly but it's what's it explanation right but i already knew it was real you know so i wasn't studying it to to find out whether it w eastern models you know take for granted and so i started seeing this because obviously i was being initiated into a lot of you know you know chinese martial arts kinds of things from a visceral point of view and science from a western point of view and both of them had to live to be but they had almost no commonality rather than i was any training for any kind of job so i started realizing that well i could i did you know figure out some sort of self employment thing  the inventors that i've met this week we've all experienced sounds like that was one of your first what did they send you a letter how do they do this when they started by sending me a letter saying you are under investigation and you know it will get back to you in about nine months later they basically said we've decided that you're in your building and marketing a medical device without a license and so we want you to register as a medical device manufacturer and because i really was manufacturer that wasn't manufacturing right in there but by doing that it gave them the right to show up at my front door unannounced any day and step into my office my home and look around just to make sure i and then suspect me without a warrant or anything else to see what i was doing and after the third time that happened i just said look you know i mean you can see him not doing anything you know just just give me a you know throw me a bone here what's what's going on what you know what do you want and you know my neck is too short to be chopped off you know what you know i'm not trying to break a wall it's kind what you do it's what you say you know and it's that means that means that a mother whose child comes up and says mom i've got the hiccups and she says oh so sweetheart just drink a little everything you know yourself state just to understand how this society was actually configured to function whether i liked it or not it was is it wasn't my issue or you just want to know i just wanted to know how to actually function in society without breaking the law right just so i knew where the base line was and that has served me really well  breaking they don't even know when there are even though they don't know when they're very from the law until someone comes knocking someone comes knocking because someone else has been threatened whatever ideas it is this is kind of a problem i see with all that asking humanity for a groundswell of something is like herding cats i mean it just isn't going to have to go you know and it's it's even if it's to their own benefit you know what most people have no idea what isn't years inventing devices writing books to describe the devices described how to build the devices and then you realize people are using this book but at least it's their series streets and i didn't have the anticipation that that a huge groundswell of people would use the information the most the most important thing for me was to document it and to get it right yeah ok get settlements use yes in other words actually produce and so when i started stuff was nearly impossible there were only patent records three or four locations in the united states and there were only abstracts available in about ten ten other you know university libraries so you could i understand that if you know what question to ask what you're looking good so the feeling that everything has changed tremendously you know in the in the time period for which i started and that's been that's been one of the you know really interesting thing is that you know we're really moving into a new paradigm where sharing and you know helping people understand giving them a context they can relate to him and giving them information open source information there it is go look for yourself yeah yeah but you know people think that open source means free you know so i mean we have we written i've written under twenty books and lectures and things like that on a wide variety of topics in this field and you know people are constantly complaining that they have to actually purchase that will people under thirty have this  magination if they can click on it it's a data structure you know it's going to be free for these things but you think the content is supposed to be free and there's a there's a significant disconnect in your world view because you're willing to pay the big corporations that provide you what i phone and internet service and all of those things and you are willing to pay the cents and you guys got to wake up that score because it's music to you because you know if you don't wake up all you get is refuse agree thirty years you really want thirty more years  ok and i've actually gotten to a place where i mean i know many of the best people in the world who are doing this stuff and you know what you see happening upstairs this is a perfect example and i feel like that in my lifetime i have actually ended up learning about fifty times more than i ever remember about this  going to be in this and i and just the first thing that came to me and i looked and square in the eyes and i'm here to make sure it happens the same and so what we have tried to do in the last ten to fifteen years and when we started publishing the principles of how these machines work was really to figure out if it's if we can get away with making sure that the information is disseminated right even though we can't make money with it we can't bring it to market can we get the information right can we can't really disseminated and we have done that and you know there are there are about it is in fact the first real set of information that shows you lock stock and barrel how to build a self running machine that's a real detailed and accurate someone for your e every so if someone wants one the that's the book to go get it right you know and it shows you how to build a twenty watt demonstrator it's not going to power your house it's not going to do anything economically dangerous to the people who don't what you said what i set out to do and you know so i'm in the process of kind of you know feeling that my participation in this field is kind of coming to an end and  i'm moving back over to the other side of you know what has been developed a whole lot and that's this consciousness you know the vitalistic if you reality and recognizing that people that i think we're moving towards you know a period of unprecedented instability at the social level of the planet and i think that  whether or not free energy you know makes it into the mainstream i think is irrelevant because the united states and the the human race is the most vicious survivor