and i wonder if you might the international court of justice is the principal judicial body in terms of an emerging international law and so what i wonder perhaps you could share with us the historical development of the court is of course connected with the united nations we asked if we could put  before myself and for a good deal of general audience a little bit of historical perspective in terms of the emerging it's to see that constitute this five emerging international law it was fought it was part of the foundation of the united nation guiding the set up of the united nations because the collects the members of the international court so there is an interconnection between the two not complete separation as you have in the american says yeah we have to guard here the united states to see too many analogies strictly from the united states because the united nations was formed with the thinking in the philosophy in the wisdom of the nations of the world and attempting to develop an international frame of reference which is a different it's a hope in the world and it's a difficult process in a world that is largely seen political authority at the sovereign national level it's difficult to do too to have a sense of emerging international order if you understand what reside at the national level in the realm of international law and trying to codify or find a means for the nations themselves to operate in the sector means it is writing new presidents writing new institutional structures trying to build a philosophy it is somewhat different than the various nation national systems of judicial thought and review except drawing upon all of them and now them it must be an interesting process philosophically to understand the writing in the evolution of are you encouraged by the degree to which the various nations and the administration's and political systems of the various nation states evolve through time the degree to which the nations coming to recognize the collect understand and that's a that's a required process in order for there to emerge a true international order there's a real willingness to give up some when we're involved in a process both domestically in another term because it seems to be difficult to understand if we could all do well to understand better the rules of the evolution of the context of international law because we tend to think in terms of the federation you think the analogy of a nation are moving toward us in the various states of the united states moving toward an overarching political process in the federal something that would be seen to be applied on an international scale that we could begin to move statutes other sister statutes laws the treaties that make it up what the body of the literature is that forms the core of what we think of as international law as opposed to the in the relationship between the various legal systems  that given the amount of contention that there could be between the various states of the world order disputes other kinds of questions if there isn't i mean how much work can the international court international court of justice adult i mean it would be more more are accepted and among the some other factors have helped in the process of the court's decision being in implemented but by and large i think everyone tha that they have still respect for the judicial process in the international context of course your national supreme court and the legal mechanism of your state is spot excellence a and a greater degree or more people do you think i wonder internet like in law schools and people coming along is a more and more attention given to to international law as an area specialization of understanding in recognition of the increased inter international law and i was recently in china and i found that defrauded minister the vice president of the house of the people whom i met and they were very keen to know the law and even the politician from the top level to the bottom must pass an examination about his legal rights as a citizen of china of china and his legal rights as an international citizen i'm doing that's the part that i was wondering about we understand fairly well the is the rights of citizens but the understand the rights that international have it's something we should all be thinking more that way understand our rights and obligations that china is  they said they had never given it to if i might i mean the understanding of the institutions of international law that could bring peace among the nations and so forth this is very very important because the basis for which there can be a conflict resolution of conflict in the world of work it probably is not well enough understood by the general citizenry in terms of the importance of it are you optimistic that people are coming more and more or less in the general together and the objective of peace is it is the objective of humanity today in fact all human civilizations have striven hard to bring about international peace in the way if you take the earliest civilization of ancient history you had the concept that if there was one sign in the sky it would be peace there but it has to maintain its position but then it must not interfere in the affairs of other states so you have the united nations start which has been in cheated very strong principles of peace one use of force in international relations bleak but i am very optimistic i think by and large the human and the standing is that you cannot fight and destroy the world and as long as the he does accept that  commit political suicide we haven't been able to do that in the past and if we do find a way through it becomes almost liberating in the lenni of it's an incredible time to be alive to just been on the on the court and to say if i may again in the cable television audience remind you it has been your pleasure to have the first sink relevant perceptions of the current president of the international court of justice the gander saying who is the talk a little bit back up to the bombing raid and so forth because you've you in the libyan government put out a poster we're going to show in a while but i want to get go back they used as a rationale for the bombing of libya the activities that took place in europe evidence that there had been any reason whatsoever for him to do that and your estimation is not at all clear and i wanted general if you could back up and talk to whether we said from the beginning we are ready for an international investigation i said it in the security council and last few weeks i sen about fighting together terrorism they sent him to europe to instigate the europeans against libya for more sanctions against libya talking again to the american people in a very real sense and to say that the evidence that was brought or was alleged by the reagan administration in order to san y to sanction the bombing of your country and your estimation was totally false and had no basis of to actually be willing to put the evidence before judicial body that could come to an arriving at a conclusion of what the facts in the case where you interests and views of the world being able to find a commonality of purpose that might be able to allow us all collectively to survive as we're going to move ahead given the terrible weapons of destruction that there are in the world and so  forth the institutions of the united nations could serve well i'd like to come back if we could to the fact that libya and you could say so in the name of your government and so forth is willing to submit these issues to a world to the world court of justice or to a western or international court i think in order to get forty years ago the united nations wrote in adopted the universal declaration of human rights article number twenty says everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association there are twenty nine other rights guaranteed in this document you should know them to get your copy right amnesty international p r box three seven one three seven washington d c two zero zero zero one three if you don't know your rights how can you defend them