who is bennet criminals the author of specializing in human survival which is a sort of interesting concept and he's also well known among particular among the intellectuals and literati i would think and so he's a poet at heart i would say and it's been a crime author of the performance dealing ringback with the twilight of civilization a couple of pretty interrelated seams among other things and he has a life that reflects that interest in the human condition in venice we've had a couple difficulties with programs that so happy to welcome to the program again we've had to be here i really hope and i let's talk about it a bit i know you're very very concerned you a big picture yeah but that in itself can be very damaging to the academic pursuit is in the process of getting ighly specialized individualized people in terms of the way the economic system works while it's only mak more necessary to have somebody would have an overview yeah to pull it together we need people like that and we did a decade of thinking yeah i would agree with you absolutely yeah and everything like that but anyway that's really interesting and so  we've had some difficulty before but that overlapping thing just exactly i have seen it be that human city the human experience that we're part of is seeing within the larger context and it's good to get a little bit of background on this thing called the human society or the human species and in general we agree i guess the world is intellectually they can they can prompt premises and so forth that are advanced and then they come to be not ideas that might or might not be correct they come to be accepted in a certain sense some of the facts of the of the existing order and one of them is that we come out of africa all we're all dependent homo erectus and that's about two hundred thousand years ago our species appeared right when or where where we had not been right and it grew out of the evolutionary process right now that may be continuing to or we're going to transcend as we as if we may be coming into a liberated order for the whole of the planet with an ecological that where the th thousands generation of our species on the planet and you jump to that thing about you know that's being the case but we're not saying just another just like my father was born and i'm a jet i'm in a class of homosapien in that evolutionary thing process that's going on a continuum going back through time we continued and we can trace the family back through time and so forth and people but now we're talking about a situation that in both negative and positive terms are seen in negative or positive terms and you're poetic and you're in touch with  much of the poetic community the creative community you're seeing it in terms that are not just another extension of what has been but we're in a position that's going to be requiring that we become part of something new just as institutions that have formulated in a condition a certain condition this being transcended and for instance as you say here so special i think you're the author of a book specializing in human survival  because literally we do now have by scientific understanding finally reached the point where after hitting each other on the club and fighting through war and having the idea of whoever's got th club to beat the other into submission notions of political organization it's called rielle puppet teak where we've got the power and rule and that's been the condition in which we've operated we might be coming into a new condition that is more expansive in terms of involving everybody and let's just say even a liberated order from the past you understand and that going through that is such a man your mind your mental kind of thing it's hard to get your mind  evolutionary changes were done genetically and now we are at a point in human history according to the u n report on climate change we all came out of the month and a half ago and we have about ten years to make some changes we have to reduce carbon emissions by forty five percent i mean the whole economy is going to have to go through incredibly dramatic change to reduce those admissions by forty five percent in ten years or if we don't we go from one degree celsius above normal to past one and a half to greece celsus above normal and that will create the hurricanes we're having now are let nature give me a light inconvenient it's now being accepted by the scientists and thinking community ninety when scientists from forty nations all around the world wrote this report they say it is six thousand rigorous scientific study from all over the world twenty three thousand comments from scientists all over the world is in that report now you could tell me there's a conspiracy of twenty three thousand scientists to make that up it has happened one now not science you don't go into conspiracy science is a method to try to debunk some conspiracy theories it's looking for the truth or don't be a scientist in truth i forgot some phony scientist or that maybe they are  parity was his name right ralph we're in o t here and the technology unicameral over there the scientist developed that you don't believe the scientific method how could you not our whole life is based on it well let me let me just jump in for a minute or something you talked those but you know what would be there would still be home sapiens here now if you're talking about the elimination in a disaster context the only thing that i know i've having looked at a lot in that kind of thing things happening in the past and the species continues and so forth and the only thing that it seems to me from a scientific perception that could involve and possibly has now been reached in terms of the collective capability is not from global warming with all due respect would be very very inconvenient very upsetting very disastrous in many many ways but it would it would not do it would not eliminate the homo sapiens species there would be survivors there would be to allude survive and they could try to pick up from the massive things that are a terrible thing the only thing and their scientific people can study that michaud kako to a whole bunch of other scientists businesses and so forth the only thing that could really make for the fact that there would be the end in a negative sense of the homo sapiens species total would be the unleashing of the under godly weapons of war systems that have now developed and in the  period of zero sum run when others have to lose and that is largely held in the hands and in the decision making process of the united states government that if they unleash the weapons systems that exist within the trident submarine in the bottom of the ocean they have a capability to be tested it can be tested if those are on least in a spasm of hatred or something which might be trim it might be triggered when you other programs and others have daedalus had daedalus said history is a nightmare from which we're attempting to awaken in a sense it may be on the adverse side to the structure scenario we have also collective capability of taking care and having universal justice for all that is never been possible in a condition where the overall material reality is scarcity there wasn't nearly enough for a wonder when somebody else esther loose that's still assumed in terms of the conventional wisdom political organization and so forth but you understand what i'm saying the thing is  ok we're at a historical crossroads one of the authors of the un reports the next few years are the most significant in human history that in  years for certain things you reached tipping points thank you right now the tipping point is reached and then you have no you haven't we still have this report saying i still have ten years where we might be able to meet or a to someone past that it got out of control tipping point for instance now if we go from one degree celsius above normal to two past one five percent the arctic ice melt a real self perpetuating gree greenhouse effect we could have a greenhouse effect if we did if we can stay our hand from destroying ourselves with the weapon that's the only thing that can wipe out this big no what i'm saying here a few survivors and i'm here what i'm as if the tipping points are reach we may not have any control over it it will have a life of its own a lot of our hands we have ten years to grab hold well wait a minute what i'm trying to talk about is we're talking about the elimination of the terms is we have transcended scarcity there is enough for all we don't have to be based on zero sum thinking that for wonder when somebody else asked the lose the basis just described it if there is a solution to it that's good and it will be what you're talking about there has to be an evolution and human behavior and thought well ok otherwise you're not going to solve it well i don't know you could solve that and you could still have the weapons go off i think well maybe both the thing that's really doing it in the installation is for the nations to get more bellicose oh definitely and more frustration right and overhead for the citizenry at large to get that because the idea of transcending scarcity that there is enough for all runs counter to the basic thinking throughout the homosapien experience you always had kings in the castle and if you search you had slaves to make sure the cotton came and you had all of these kind of thing now they've got slaves within an economic order that in order to have money to eat food you have to do something that they say you are able to do to get a returns called  or something those are going to be undercut by our technological capability i think there are many people who can project that you're seeing well ok there is a point we are now in human history  there is no precedent for right exactly in a new place now what you're talking about some kind of evolution in human evolution this tense you know and one it can't happen genetically identical change takes time over  e you can do it in ten years and in ten years it has to be a social evolution yeah and we've added a unique ability from the other creatures of evolution to be able to extend our consciousness into the cut into the environment in technology that makes the environment others and we didn't like is that a lot that most creatures have to confront the environment in which their moment so we can understand right i do so what we can do is there there has to be a there are things that can be lead to such chaos and terrible tragedy that it would resist the irrationality of what the capability is done and what the capability that gave advantage to one political system or group over another was weapons by which they can assert the military control over the others ok hair now that's the only thing that if this global warming thing proceeds past the ten year point tipping point happened a know i'm right if that happens it's self perpetuating on its own no longer we have no longer have any control over what we have ten years to try to get control over and if we blow that opportunity a not only human life the whole biosphere is frightened well that's a whole nother thing i think there would be still survivors if we are dead we are unleash their weapons and apparently their studies the scientific studies that have been done and what would be the effects of an all out nd world war it was all out remember i don't remember oh yeah it was all out and you know more marshall every young man and everything and all that awful  awful political implications and everything but the only thing apparently now i may be wrong but the global warming could be something that would be incorporated within a larger thing but the thing that would make it impossible for power no in political in atomic weapon weapon they are all just about our equal well carol ok well known ok well ok and china is not far behind and then just looking at it from that angle you're going to have millions upon millions of people trying to get into other countries like we're having border trouble with people from syria going into your europe europeans are going crazy fascists movements are rising up trump is using they're trying to create a fascist movement in america based on the immigration immigration will get crazy because of the starvation all over the world nay hundreds of millions of people who will try to i am a great to where there is something going on give political power or to the power elite around the world and so forth but what about jim hansen who we talk about he's very easy he's been very early in terms of recognizing tw thirty years ago early absolutely distant early warning system was he talking about global warming i g not yes he was now he thinks that and he makes clothes and he gets relaxed off the stage or booed off the stage for saying we should be tapping into atomic energy to provide the energy needs of this planet and he's laughed off the stage by a lot of people who think you know the danger right now what do you think about angels with the fact that we've got to tap in to in what it might metaphor to tap into the trident submarines of the united states of america is the major threat the other side that's the major threat and tap into those as a source of energy rather than as to deal with global warming ok what do you think of that it wiser such reluctance to think about tapping into a time like energy as a source of energy for maintaining the ecological balance that we have now ok i've thought about that a lot how do you yeah after three mile island and chernobyl i was very you know very alarmed by yeah yeah and the ground to be alarmed however the threat of global warming is about a one thousand times greater than the threat of a meltdown an atomic plant oh you may you know i don't know how many people would be around and you know things collecting the thing is they have solar panels and all that clogging up the energy of the birds get all caught up in those things and everything we could get the electric energy we need by tapping into the atomic energy within our trident submarine fleet i'm for or go to have a major effect in terms of changing human consciousness for getting energy any respect ben yeah that's what holds it up it's all these ecologist who think we can't do atomic energy are so dangerous are going to no male no global warming is much much much more dangerous they think you can do it by covering the planet with sand solar panels not fast enough well ok how are you going to do it if you do it without tapping into some new energy source how are we good energy to maintain the industrial the ecologically appropriate utilization of our ability to deal with in the economic within the political and natural environment of this planet at this year two thousand and eighteen so that's where i'm and that some other nature thing or something like that why is that they're so opposed to being able to take the negative and turn it into a positive because people get caught in ideas and economic and right economic on five thousand dying if you will help health ward off the possible but out of the one hundred million died our political establishment is all caught up by people on the left who think that mother nature with the nature how wonderful all the birdies in the thing and then it changed the weather and it came rain sleet hail the whole thing and wouldn't give up at all and i had to tread i almost died on mount mckinley yeah because i is dealing with the try me off for horns and dealing with the twilight or similar writing if you're against mother nature particularly from people on the left we have to deal with the people on the left that get in the way well there you want to get into the way about recognize let's say something else on the positive side ok this is a ok we've got all this capability we've done pretty well all things considered i mean you know ten thousand generations and we've come up pretty well and everything so why is there so much opposition to things the technological side that is available to us by people who want to be confined to when we were all nested in mother nature i mean  it's a thing people all tested mother nature back on the front here and all that kind of stuff and everything but i think that we have a we have to have something that can test our capabilities at a technological capability and one of them would be providing enough energy not to energy i'm for right now why did it does not pollute i'm for it from any source people are going to say tomic energy bill you know because it's tied with power and all the warming is more evil could become the king and all the other people are like service and their estate feudal estates for a one thousand years after rome and europe and everything and it's never been where all the people are liberated or something we have a capability of liberating in a new way sapiens species if we get a way in which we can deal with the situation right to avoid if we as a structure which is all right in a new way if we're able to handle this problem it will require a problem the problem of global warming is common comic weapons rationalizing and human rights solve the problem of the spread now like never before in history to human survival we are there there should be air raid side and blaring right now we're there if you've been called up by the f b i or anybody like that for having put forth this player something called the performance dealing with the twilight care to it say a couple one hundred years yet who gave it to us that well we did build it up our seven who did it what what where you back you know part of human thought gave us that information well it would be probably a lot of the intellectuals meaningless terms now they are now and they are the whole if we're talking in evolutionary terms not narrow political terms of who's president who's not president what political philosophy is up what t working now it's obsolete for you know what i try to specialize in human survival that is obsolete and it's going to slow to two try to solve a problem that has to be solved the next ten years what about this piece of  propaganda was the performance dealing with the twilight of civilization you're saying you're got a twilight of civilization on our hands yes when we've become the leaders of the world  very strength was their weakness well does that apply to the humans well it may have something to do with civilization maybe our very our brilliant intellect may be driving us over the cliff  non existing more than a one hundred years and a change we had to change from a feudal system in europe to something trying to do something democratic by jefferson and so forth and this continent which was an advance and then conveying their ability to be just told what to do by them and it's been like that throughout all of human history it seems even more primitive settings you have a chief or somebody in charge you know i've studied in our whole human existence genetically the same as we are now when i for one hundred and ninety thousand years i was in that form of that's how we developed genetically if you took a hunter gatherer kid and you raised them you don't think you know maybe some beads and stuff like that you don't think they have there was no i know the chief did not i have seen a lot of movies recently well i don't know i don't know about all kinds of channels and they've got all kinds of movies about africa and they're all just cheap that's in charge premise you're not the major authority and no really i hardly laid your authority that talks about hunter i mean travelling i mean in nature bedded in nature i always see them wandering around getting eaten by lions well me go to some people maybe go down on the whole i go to the computer and just type in hunter gatherer ok and you want to know about how they're tyrants to lead oh yeah type in leadership hunter gatherer type type type with a google dash leadership what do you get oh give you a whole list of studies and it's not alice in wonderland no is bye bye bonafide hard headed anthropologists are jala just nightmare and we're getting worse than ever right now either we wake up or god knows what's going to happen we can take a page out of the the research on hunter  that well i want to go that way that's what a deer are but i've got my own personal reasons for going that way and they went the wrong way the troop would die out biologically they are in trouble evolution a limb unaided those kind leaders you have a car your group die your leader had to know or do what he was doing and have the ability to create harmony in the urls are simple otherwise you're dead i'm going to look it up tonight yeah look i'm going to look it up tonight everybody should either who are the major gift what they want because i want the rating who wants to do it the snow they want to have they have to have the people doing what has to be done in order for the system to work that's coming to an end because the system is global warming thing that's optimistic yeah they are destined good leadership because they're paying attention to what's really threatening nobody else and these are the new people go into congress don't you think some of them would be do well to  into the atomic source in our bombs that could be tapped for my feeling heralded as a as an antidote to hurricanes get worse and worse and a drought for fires in california get worse and worse air and we have a drought in the  human survival do you mind if i go to that and try to get rich and then also the performance that i present taishan dealing with the twilight of civilization that's available on amazon dot com the transformation of similar well as well no i don't know ok i got to get ok she's got four more minutes i don't know what can we talk about hopefully we've talked about a lot i don't know maybe there were stages of they had to like people in the if if were on my timing right will be off the air by now but if not then we can still talk sure and that is that in those year early so if we did goodbye in boston next week or  having the political order be one that includes the masses and a thing like that and a way of distributing buying power how to create a more positive forward to the mad right there not needed as service on a feudalist a right we had for most of our civilised right it is now everybody has to do something to get money to buy food right so when it gets down to where they've got an alternate way to link them to the way things are being produced technologically the way it's moving rather than what it has been then we might have a system model of financing that will put buying power in the hands of the masses to lead a life of leisure interest in the environment rather than seeing themselves as wage slaves that has to do what the big guys say they have to do to make production when the production being taken over by technology so we've got to have an alternate way of disrespect mandating effect of buying power to the people have to be some servant ownership of the technology to distribute  how would you like god in the senate and i would hope to be an eye on a fact of the committee and in the university i mean where it's all i can't believe this we're running two minutes i don't understand how that can be but ok anyway getting meaningful something meaningful that really has you know oh here we go i like your hat on that's my trademark let me see it can i see here you're bald that's why you wear the hat well they're trying to cover up your that's my trademark i still a minute one minute more well ok if it may be that she's right and we got some things wrong and everything like i said we got another minute say something meaningful nice day out today yeah it was turn nice and come in the winter though get ready for the winter you know because why do we live here i lived in california for a while every day was seventy three degrees low humidity and  and every day of the year why don't we all live there where there climate is burfoot why are we living in places like this where it gets winter and why do we have to put up with winter and all these things that mother nature throws you can sandwich oh no why it never body living in the climate areas where it's really nice weather why are they living where they do it's got to do with economics a lot of what happens if they become the whole population of the world becomes leisure to do what they want to do rather than what they have to do to eat that's still the thing that's there that's not that's not freedom the real freedom ok ok is that it then