later the beneficial that when high technology started apple computer came along all that anyway we realized at the time that we're creating something new we're creating a new world of doing something legislation lives regulations ways that we do things ways that we create a protocol that we all follow with who plays out who creeds and who architecture how does it get put into we means by what india is and so we were actually creating a understand or should we say have knowledge of how to be more or less an actor what is it be what it does what is it produced what story the means of what the response is from the world around us and what it is that it becomes a part of our world the same thing with the organics when i work with the organic growers and buyers association in the late one nine hundred eighty s helping set up seven state organic programs in the federal legislation i authored twelve hundred pages and it was used were used as a means to let's put the birds that are marketing plan in within three years of my helping linda write the book changed our juicing in doing about fifty infomercial videos more or less structuring is in from her virtual operation he had he wasn't there to do it went down to trademark his name for them and we put the market together and in three years we sold a billion and a half dollars and just you know why it's been there done that someway scares the daylights out of the characters that think they're in charge because later i put together juice on the loose and whimsy bars was put a fifteen hundred page business plan together that these case don't want us to be healthy they don't want us to to be who we should be they like to change our destiny and have a illegal wars and you know it goes on and goes off these equally evil guys crayon us they milk us for everything they can they steal from us they destroy our lives for their for their quest for power and whatever else that they're after and so we  go on with our worlds trying to deal with all this if i got into solution lindsay bars going idea of a very wealthy guy but no they don't want you to be healthy they don't want you know we could have created juice drinks with with yogurt that would have made us all healthy we would learn about not artificial not monsanto not hybrid not that we are living breathing animals it's like we when i tell people about our aids and diabetes and cancer going away but by simply using cayenne pepper capsules that's r rockefeller's financed billions of dollars in their medical monopoly scams and set it up so we'd be sick and made sure that we were to dumb down with their flora and make sure that we as a people could let her brains grow to see a better way to do eric thank you again for playing for our intro here appreciate that but bill let's let's figure some things out we hope to be have more information on this we keep these programs going about him pledge of slaves and i think it's important that when we have member that's of high standing in the legal community that we are seen as we're seeing it because the people who are disciplined are the people in that community which is you so we respect your opinion ours isn't quite as official as when you come up with a statement which means we respect the law we respect legislation and bill i'm going to hand the ball off to you i know that we need to get work for me arise just like we got a background in if you happen issue a project from washington state we were hoping this this program to have some people that could not be here right but we hope to have dr laith work next week maybe vivian mcpeak who is the founder of invest a lot of things that we hope to get this because if we can express ourselves by television we can in expedient the means of communication with their own state legislation t v can help in a lot of ways mere fact these programs might be submitted to the state legislature and might be a means of helping get more accommodation of what we're trying to accomplish in legislation you have to educate them like back in the organic growth growers and buyers or she is presenting the laws of the senate the u s senate didn't know it's a blank slate the and inform and educate our legislators go ahead graveyard for bad keep going to get a discussion bill go ahead well that's from a conservative or whatever standpoint i know you're just getting involved with understanding this legislation i believe that what we're going to see in the future are law schools teaching him pledge a solution we're about to transform our state's economy and i know that this is another thing that we need to think about as patricia should host i mean what what's the meaning of constitutional law even state constitutional law when the federal government says it can come into your state until you can provide him as a means of commerce in product and medicine medical if we're our state of state states that they shouldn't what's with us i mean we're do we go with this i mean i mean this is something that's going to crawl out into the mainstream something or another here with state constitutional issues blocking federal jurisdiction am i right i mean i don't know so we're going to discuss this tonight but the concept of what these series of shows are about is about educating people because we have some really intelligent people on both sides of the issues of coming up regarding the laws regarding cannabis and then initiatives coming up and what is ultimately going to come out of our better organization of what we do about about cannabis in the state and we've got people x some people on never it's never staying the same it's constantly changing and we're in the middle of change right now and so those are the things are going to be talking about tonight well before before we get into if you don't mind we'll let that topic about state versus federal rights and regulation of these types of industries and things like that let's just go down the table and talk first about our backgrounds a little bit and and what brought us to this table and some of our backgrounds and what we're doing regarding some of these topics and we just start with you because we'll work down the table this  complement medical and methods of helping people be more well if you will tennis operating from the standpoint that most of this at some they were throughout our life  only temporarily able bodied that's a concept people don't really think about or realize the older we get the more opportunity have for becoming injured i mean you know so we need to have products like cannabis  natural organic that can heal people without doing the damage that many a pharmaceutical drugs do so an access point again is an access point is where medicare legally recommended patient than recommended by a doctor or by a physician or an error in peer one of the categories of health care people who are allowed to make recommendations to utilize cannabis many people are not in a position or even physically able of growing their own so they need to have someplace where they can get this medical medicine and access points are what we have in the state of washington where patients can come in and show their recommendations and get access to the medicine that they need to have and some government agency regulates you there is an amazing really lack of regulation actually at this time we were hoping for some clarification out of olympia this year a many of us that are working in the field went to olympia talked with many senators and representative mentioned before educating and in addressing their concerns what their issues were about it because it's such a political hot potato for reasons that have nothing to do with the medicine it's just a political issue most of us would like it to not be a political issue let's just look at it as a health issue which is really in fact what it should be it's been going very well but do you have a piece of paper from the government that says you're an access point i have a business license with the state of washington i have a business license with the city of seattle just like any other business those cut that's all they have in terms of a license there's no there are no requirements which is part of the problem anybody can just open up an access point and whether or not they're actually providing quality medications to people is a questionable thing as many of us look to have regulation we just want the regulation to make sense so that patients can have easy top of the neighborhood services center in the u district where the police the bicycle police are in and out of there all the time and we talked to them before we even signed a lease about how they felt about it and and were told that they we were they were just fine with us being there and we didn't have a false alarm one night and the police were involved and they were wonderful i have to say they were just wonderful would not allow me to go in until two our armed officers went in and looked at everything to make sure that it was safe and then i could come in and make you know and i could say no nothing's missing this was the way that a false alarm situation but the police have just been marvelous in seattle unfortunately that's not true throughout the whole state and that's of great concern or don't don't whatever they want to call it they're selling cannabis it should be organic it should be medical quality it should not be what's being grown by the court tales in our forests or being brought across the border from mexico origin going anyplace with  keep excuse me i'm taking to the airwaves to get my family back into it and like never a body else about of bigotry involved in the entire subject of not just medical marijuana but him because marijuana generally i personally am in favor of blanket legalization i suspect that there will always be a need for medical dispense reason matter of fact one of my favorite places to go is choice wellness if you ever have been to a heartening that dispensary at an access point  you've ever been to one of those places there's there's a big difference between just different places and how they do things have become soap's and the most harm sealed like that i've ever seen has been the choice of office i've always felt the most secure there are there are people out there who have like she said very stressed immune systems who just can't handle marabout can't handle ordinary chemicals which are going to counter medications cleaners it's findings or things of that nature so i think that there will always that's kind of this term used for people who broadcast without a license what i have technically is called like a weapon because i'm dealing with one water unless you have c c really doesn't care about that however since i'm not necessarily my my my microphone being low but we all have to work together and this is a key factor how it all works together we're seen on television or to supporting contributing showing up talking about her experiences what we've come up with as far as ideas of what we're doing this is where the camp clinics are at wellness plus medical wellness clinics don't you think it's about time that we start taking better care of ourselves here in this country than stead of serving here national cr profiteer off of international wars they have nothing to do with us when we got a win when one medic one drone could probably make a difference in the lives of millions of homeless people one day now half our military air force is now drones and some bout this i don't make but make sense at least we can talk about common sense common sense contributing to building an infrastructure to my microphone and it is every every great social movement as music behind it thanks really and i appreciate that you came tonight to help us out with some sites but let's let's get a little more of your back because you know late seventy's i detoxed heroin addicts that project rehab in grand rapids michigan i was twenty five years old and i did that under the auspices of a physician i had my own caseload i was a family therapist i worked auction oak psychiatric unit in grand rapids michigan i did admissions and was a mental health worker i learned how to deal with people that are seriously out of control in a nonviolent fashion twenty colorful stories about that  i'm very proud of it maybe will rise again like the south or some but this was in west michigan t j see thomas jefferson college part of then grand valley state college now grand valley university kind of like fred meyer they used to tell you that graham bell gives you a choice because they used to give you a choice unlike one fred i don't want to get into all that when they merge with somebody i guess didn't have so many choices or something but my point is more that it was like evergreen want of a good strong side issue another day we could talk about is why didn't we have a stronger similar so yeah i did i did missions for the county psychiatric hospital and i know all these many stories about what you are meaning the collective everybody you think of psychiatric hospitals and people working on that stuff appreciate this one i'm psychology teacher i had that said whatever you think about all that if if you want to care for that person twenty four hours a day and seven days a week and you've got plenty to say about it probably not otherwise so i'm pretty proud of a lot of years of whistle blowing too and we can get into that some other fine day so i suggest other ways of treating adolescents when they're having trouble so there's a few in my little background i was a garbage man i'm a proud sanitation engineer from just outside detroit i went to a jesuit high school and he trit currently have i'm licensed by the federal government to speak my mind and tell jokes about the cops and anybody i want and i'm on the public sidewalk i'm licensed by the what he called the bill of rights and i have a copy somewhere but forget first amendment freedom of speech and i can like right to assembly you can stand outside i tell people on the sidewalk you have a constitutional right to stand around talk to your staff as though if you if you want to and you can talk long into the night make it looks like legalization you know what i paid a long time ago yep looks like legalization because people need their tax money and their pay undersea is around all that stuff so so be it let's have some good well run access points and let's acknowledge that we all have a constitutional right to not be bothered by the federal government about such nonsense that our tax dollars are spent fighting crime and not chasing down street musicians from a confront a people are making jokes about cannabis and i can jokes about anything cannabis  serious issue and i'm going to cost me my ass over what i've been in jail over it i'm asking the people that are watching this program now including the police do you believe in what you're doing how much are you willing to go to jail for it because i've been there and i don't recommend and i'm not a jailbird and i don't really get along that well with all those guys in jail and all that good stuff and we can talk about that at length but for now and say do you believe in what you're doing because i believe in what i'm doing i believe in telling jokes so much i've gone to jail for it and i believe in canada so much as a healer that i've gone to jail for it and they've screwed with my life royally blah blah blah about that we have many stories like that but i don't care about what was called world stories when i was a therapist i just i'm just glad going to be coming yes and there are there are some of us in the state of washington who do click sales tax we we all received a letter a year and a half ago and it said we will charge tax on the sale of medical marijuana it said three times so i think that they were really serious about that there are many places in the state that you know charge tax different attorneys have different opinions on it and most people go along with whatever their attorney is advising on the issue although it does take really some serious consideration of all the factors because there are a lot of factors in that the only thing about happiness and that there are different opinions there are many of us and i too also believe we should not have to pay tax on cannabis that's being used medically we don't pay tax on bike it and we don't take to pay tax and buy a green why do here which is totally medically unnecessary but but we don't have to pay tax on it because it's a prescription you know but the state has said they want tax and taxes what's going to keep us open quite frankly when they start looking at the amount of taxes that we generate the man a jobs we generate the amount of care that the the people that are no longer going to the e r with emergencies because there's their problems are being maintained and managed with cannabis i think the taxes are what's going to keep this and keep us open and keep pati refresh apparently i mean we're looking at creating a job in the next year because currently six hundred jobs being created right here within the university district of seattle six hundred jobs and growing products are being made here in the state if you go look at the numbers of products being made we're about to set up a means by which we can integrate our economies like with canada can to help go other states building a kind of rebuilding trade creating balance of jobs ten thousand products and more could be created from the scrape it's creating plus we're looking at open mike afternoon here in seattle where we're going to be with the m m j clinic here in lake city possibly other ones promoting both the coffee shops the baby boomers don't want to stay up at night they want to go out  affect us but if anybody gets in on that particular situation and that was with the federal iris applications i think what that should be and what should be done there is somebody should go towards the tax court  rather than the federal district courts to bring their case because from what i'm saying there might be a constitutional issue on this as well was saying at the top of this show if it is in the arkansas state constitution and it's in the eight hundred seventy eight state of washington constitution something mentioning helped at that time at least i would consider that congress  already approved the use of that otherwise they should strike it or they should have stricken at that point and they did not and in order to take something out of a state constitution that congress has already approved you can't just pass another bill then if that's the case it was going to be a tax issue then if you're going to the tax courts which actually for attorneys a cost one hundred fifty dollars registration fee by the way both are and then you can go and represent yourself in the represent somebody in the tax court i would have to pass an exam which comes as once every two years so what what happens there is i think one of the arguments is since it's the congress has already accepted the use in my opinion then the tax course to adjudicate that i would even say that they don't have jurisdiction because the very congress which creates the tax court and that is a that is a tax that's a court that's created by the congress and not by the constitution so then they would have to just deferred and then have to go to the next one up which would probably be the supreme court or they'd have two eighty is a federal law that was passed in the eighty's i believe the early eighty's too to prevent big cocaine dealers from being able to get away with it so to speak and it involves  taxes you have to pay taxes on everything you do but if what you're doing is illegal and this is illegal federally then there's a whole nother system that goes into play that would actually put everybody out of business and that's because it would be essentially huge tax break if they were if the place for instance was grossing about five hundred thousand dollars a year which is not a zero margin now with this kind of business but if they had that they could end up with the surprise of like one hundred twenty two thousand dollars new in taxes when there's not even that margin so you know it's it would be a money losing situation from the gate looking from one more taxable income that is actually going to be a workshop on to eat in about three weeks and if anybody would like more information about where when and what it costs that sort of think i'm pleased to call callers a choice well listen we happy to give you that information  limited amount of seats available but it's very very important for anybody i think it's in this industry anybody doing bookkeeping in this industry anybody doing you can even in this industry any attorneys that are working this issue this is all very and of course all of us who are involved in any way shape or form with access points are growing or making edibles if anything it really has a huge impact in terms of what you can and cannot need is a business expense and you know the name of the senator that medicine they cannot get payroll they cannot rent they cannot be that things that just exist with any normal business part of the reason is that is because cost of goods is actually a legitimate amount to spread my priesthood leaders interfere with my family the very existence of my family over the issue of my use of cannabis ameri fact i hate to say that i lost a job over this issue but it turns out that i've got medical issues i'm a medical patient i've got issues from my service in the military that interfered with my job performance and caused me to lose a very well paying job and of course once you you know when you have a good paying job seems ok everybody can tolerate an awful lot of stuff when you lose it then things become rough well it turns out that my medical use of cannabis which could have improved my job performance and helped me preserve my job was looked upon by my priesthood leaders as an excuse to destroy my family and this happened in iowa and again out here in washington in iowa my priesthood leaders encouraged my wife to run off with my two year old son in order to teach me a lesson and to encourage me not to use medical or any kind of any kind of cannabis but when my wife was finally convinced by my bishop true turn she decided that since i'm going to be using cannabis that we need to come to washington so i can be a legitimate medical registered patient while we're at the very last minute and another good reason is the war on drugs is a total failure it is a created a monster of a problem for us and we spend hundreds of billions of dollars prohibition of eating mr president my name is mackenzie you know retired law enforcement officer time for us to discuss the possibility of legalization regulation and control moros they're not doing away with the mining criminal market as well as a major source of funding for international terrorism thank you so much for your time mr president but i think th entirely legitimate topic for debate i have not in favor of legalization i am a strong believer that we have to think more about drugs as a public health problem when you think about by changing people's attitudes and drugs i think that a lot of times we have been so focused on arrests incarceration interdiction that we don't spend as much time thinking about how do we shri was one question that was voted on that that ranked fairly high and that was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy and job creation and  i don't know what this says about the online our rights because we're gays or women or minorities we get our rights from our creator as individuals so every individual should be treated the same system designed to protect individual liberty will have no punishments for any group and no privileges today i think inner city folks minorities are punished unfairly in the war on drugs for instance blacks make up fourteen percent of those who use drugs yet thirty six percent of those arrested are blacks and in south and sixty three percent of those who finally end up in prison are black this has to change we don't have to have more courts and more prisons we need to repeal the whole war on drugs it isn't working hundred billion dollars since the early seventies it's a waste of money prohibition didn't work prohibition on drugs doesn't work so we need to come to our senses and absolutely it's a disease we don't treat alcoholics like this this is a disease and we should be wary and ourselves tell us that is one way you could have equal justice under the law thank you congressman ok stephen baldwin hi you're against legalizing marijuana why well it's a little bit ironic i could see why jimmy wanted to rush out of there so quickly here you're looking at an actor that has starred in two very popular marijuana films half baked and biodome and you know here i am bringing a faith based conservative perspective to this issue and you know obviously joy there's a lot of common sense that needs to be included in this conversation it's a very simple reality marijuana leads to doing worse things that's just a fact i don't care what anybody says what the debate is when you smoke marijuana the young age will usually lead to alcohol abuse and harder drugs so right there i mean that's one reason why it should not be legalized we've heard that for years that it's a gateway drug what do you say to that congressman paul well i think it's silly and probably the most addictive drug in the country in the world is nicotine and nobody talks about nicotine being a gateway drug so there's no sense to that and besides it's not nearly as addictive as alcohol so if you're consistent person and you think the government should be regulating personal behavior you have to be for prohibition of alcohol and when you look back and throughout history and what happened that was a total disaster it created the al capone's and right now today there is so much violence today not because people use drugs but because they're illegal that's why you know the people who benefit the most by all these laws these are the drug cartels they lobby to keep these laws in place because they can't exist without them there you don't have the al capone's now because you don't have prohibition of alcohol prohibition is what is bad and this does not mean we endorse personal behavior that is is not beneficial it just means who regulates personal behavior and it should be the state it has and there's no benefits to it just like  regulating church behavior or religious behavior of any sort so i see no purpose in doing this ok stephen we'll get back to you when we return ok more baldwin versus paul but i think this is a typical example of trying to fix a problem that we invite upon ourselves you know konami i had here to the position at once if you want to do good in the economy and with all the best motivations you we do things we create new problems then we have to go malevolence on this it was it was it was designed to help people especially the minorities that were using crack cocaine or powder cocaine and they thought this was terrible and it turned out that it back fired it actually hurt minorities didn't help congressman paul brought up the whole idea of medical marijuana what is your response to that people have glow komarr that no washes from anti cancer drugs what do you say to that well again you know there