to design which is amazing because i know you see a lots of similarities even though some people may not see those similarities but i know you can do so without me you know talking some more we're going to be sam tell us a little bit about how you got to this place in time oh it starts way back when i was a little boy i just i had a very creative father who was worked with his hands he was a stone mason so i used to go on the jobs with him and always be surrounded by creation and i had a mother who was also a big influence she was a very like a style stylish home home home she you know those and those influence which you know with then an innate sense just to draw and create that was fostered through some really good education through the public school system it's really great art teachers that you know were to me creatively which made me want to study r and then i went to parsons school of science and i studied art and design up parsons and it was a very unique education because even though you thought you were going to be a fashion designer when you thought you were going to be an interior designer or a product designer your freshman year was just a core group of fine arts classes ok so  that just taught you the basics the basics of art and design and composition and then it's like if you know those core basics it doesn't matter just ties what you know you could be designing a garden right an interior scenes or painting a painting and you use those same right or principles to create whatever it is right you know that you're right you're working on and that's all that that is so it's really like you know my education was was pivotal and then my career although i studied it was called communication line which was a graphic designer ok a more commercial aspect right my career i did get a job as a graphic designer but in a children's wear clothing manufacturer also so i was designing graphics and and prints ok for clothing i and then i really got interested in designing the clothing and children's wear designer and then eventually an executive design director for a large children's wear brand wow and you know my my passion though was always home from those roots that  yeah and they would all be still you know eating in the fashion trends and they would be finding me in the homes of bright right they had to do all right i would always home was always in my environment was always first and foremost in my in my know absolutely because it's a lot of hard work it is a lot of hard work but if you love it you know it's rewarding work and there is hard work and so so let's talk about the colors because i know color ye say well as you mentioned i created this bedroom and i wanted to bring in that blush color and you know i worked on that was almost eighteen months ago so you know i was really feeling it kind of you know creeping in right and i think it was a way to warm up all of the gray and white spaces that we've been seeing for solo writing writing you know which was a response to the prior like heaviness of the and custom made furniture is an investment so when you invest in gray and white i got to think yeah ok what else how can i bring in color to now warm up this space because i think the response was people wanted to feel a little more i can warm a little cozier in those gray and white spaces so blush was just the naturals and then throw in some gold accents and you know it's just magnificent so that's kind of what we're seeing i think alluding we you know yeah i like to show here and in the show room a sampling of you know what we think is trending and here we have this beautiful blush right wall and you see some gold accents you know you can see some accent the goal or add a little bits of that gray because it kind of really works with the gray what is another color tread you're seeing i'm seeing a lot of black and white ok and then you can pop that with someone the metallic colors as well you know black and white but then you know to make that interesting bringing in some bright interesting patterns maybe some graphic patterns a lot of people are going away from the traditional how do you how do you make between silvers and goals are set something you're still doing because people stand i think stay with you i can't make all of this over and i can't makes gold but you can oh absolutely if you mix it it makes it more interesting right makes it feel more collected oh yes it feel it just it just adds to the so the dimension by the design right i mean are there any rules that that we should follow when trying to make it's in terms of goals and silver or like what would pull it together what the color just let you know if you're working i tend to think if you're working in a room that has gold pieces and not just black and white photography you have to realize restorations old large national rush store right so they're trying to sell you know and make product in advance and stocker at what we do as designers try to give you a much more customer experience we work with you we we want to get to know you and know how your lifestyle you know what happens in your lifestyle and create a designer that's not a cookie cutter yet that's you know uniquely yours with colors that you like and things that make you happy and i think that you know that's that's the beauty of working i think with the design ok so ben let me ask you this how do you foremost meet the clients get to know them i like to say very little when i yes you know when i visit a home for the first time ok i like to listen ask questions and then invite them back and then hall it was like these three rooms that you could all see to get yak yak and no way no how did they say you know they said no way you know rusty red and i said no this is the right color this is a trust me now lovingly the client and i or you know when they see it and you know your heart that they're going to like it so you can take a risk like right because you know i think there's just the fear it's almost like the terror of the white page i right where it always looks so nice to see the right color through the right color i right right right right yeah and so sometimes any new homeowner suit with new construction i think it's especially important to add know i love wall coverings textured wall colors even a textured color will give you variation and it just takes that new home and it doesn't there's some character correct that doesn't look like just you know hundreds of feet of like yeah yeah yeah you know just freshly top a little bit of a wall paper that sort of like the trend and what types of wallpaper it would be like texture most texture there has been a lot of texture that's you a lot of people like a lighter so far but they're afraid of it getting messy and right you had something that you had to show on the bed cracks a different type of fado talk a little bit about those from years ago which makes the fabric liquid repellant so therefore you can spill chocolate milk red wine coffee you know and it will just be right up and  the early sixty's and that's bringing a little bit more wood in and a little bit more organic and there's some you know some of the danish furniture of that period has really become very popular and i think some of these retro styles and there's a whole i think a merging late seventy's early eighty's revival act that's happening and he needs you know politics and art are always hand in hand if you've studied art history i let you know about what's happening in the world when we hit the time like that people want to go back to a more comfortable time so they're like the back side of their child or whatever media owners are feeling like i need some of that mid century furniture i want to feel like i'm going back to grandma's house to have sunday dinner and i think the millennium are starting that's where this early you know late seventy's early eighty's ok revival is that you know that's very new that something on kind of throwing out the so i'm excited to see what i really want to say we're yeah i'm yeah i'm really excited to go back now and see you know if it's out there full force so that being said let's say this lucite table for example you know  trying thing it's whatever what do you think is the life how long do you think this trend like it normally when trends happen is there like a life span like the next five years it's still seven years or i don't i think you're on your always be happy in your hands so so to wrap up this fashion let's review again some of the color trends and you know oh sure change the blush corrects will start with coming out of this whole n and you know green in art like that in a few accessories you know can change up the room so i think we're going to see a lot of full color and you know on a very what do i want to say editorial level you're starting to industrial maybe an industrial or a little more casual ok ok you know a little more of a country farmhouse look at can go in goats and more the brooklyn lofty kind of look you know it's maybe a little more speak to if somebody has their own you know they have their things invested already with their major pieces and whole and they just want to be on trend a little bit what are couple of things that they can throw in the mix like maybe pillows are for sure  are accessories you know you can freshen up a room with with pillows with accessories with art you know relatively right yeah it's massive yeah compared to when you're doing the major pieces feeling all the textures of sub so i think that's very kind of its own we'll have new information for you on the like two point zero zero our website community website will have the credits on the show so thank you guys so much for joining sabrina and i and