welcome to stop by crisis i'm your host vivian gaspar and i'm very fortunate to have with us here today bobbie campbell he is a retired special agent of twenty five years from the u s department of justice well be welcome thank you so much for making the journey from north carolina and i really have a high level of respect and gratitude for your service and it is really important that we bring on some subjects today that i don't think is covered enough in the aspects that you could share with this and i really would like to start with something that i don't think enough people realize is a problem in america human trafficking it sounds like something that exists only in third world countries really spawns out of an economic issue supply on demand which we have is you have what is traffickers who are in countries mexico and other countries around the world that have people that desire to get to the u s who may not be able to afford the cost or to small go in here so what you have is you have a trafficker who will say ok i can get you from less say mexico to the land to a south carolina but there's going to be a cause so the person i have the money to pay for the trafficker to get them over the border into their particular country so what usually happens is as relates to human trafficking i'll bring you across the border or i'll bring you here which you have to work and pay the cost what it cost me to get you across and a lot of times the cost is so so high oh that has been that you can't afford to pay it back if you tried wrong house care law and maintain this and i say ok you got to work for this particular company until you pay the debt off we'll give you somewhere to stay a lot of times when immigration service run up in house is what they call a holding house as you see twenty thirty people living in one house wow just in line on the floor and around the same mattresses on several floors and basically what the reason for that is because you have to have a place to hold them why they're working so they'll get up in the morning well work for particular makes you have company which is being paid so let's say i have a particular company company x it does my last service which may have persons that are working for them they trying to pay the debt back for coming here so while i'm paying the company that individual is not being paid anything what about food or they're being fair by the house or the holding place that hold them you got to feed and clothe them but the fee to call them will be nothing compared to what they mean you could be paying you could be paying the company not knowing that the person is working for you is a servant or paying off a debt of course you know when you do if you call a particular company they come out and work or does work for you a lot your company the  people they serve a small lot i have no ideal who the gentleman that rise a lot more all i know was a p r company well the guy this cutting the grass who just happens to be hispanic i have no idea what his status is is he legal illegal is he paying off did all i know is that i pay a company my loan is done and therefore no one ever knows if that may be the case or you could definitely be paying into a company that has persons or or persons that are working here illegally or part of human indentured servitude where somebody came willingly and now they can feel trapped that they can't get out of the cycle to stay in america we have there been cases where they're kidnapped to come do this well kidnapped i would say kidnapp forced i would say because for example when we talk about drawled cartels i could hold your family say ok you have family back in a particular city where we operate out of if you don't do this for me if you don't saying is that in a town there's a service industry you're going to find corruption and you don't have fond possibility of human trafficking being a part of that i mean even neighborhoods i mean we're sitting in new jersey but obviously we're throughout the country but i passed gentlemen's clubs you know for forget me known as a go go bar or something of that nature i heard once someone told me that the women who work in there could be human trafficking victims is that i saw another area without question there's a human service you know people pay for services that involve human so anytime you have that aspect of it and what we have to realize sometimes that we overlook so many times is that money is the driving force behind this you know people come here because it is the great country that it is so when people come here they want to commit what is legal or illegal and a lot of times people do some comedy and godly things to get here and to stay here how if we ever think we're witness to this i mean many of us have long care services as an example how can we help is there anything that an average american who may be unaware of this even going one thing that we could do to help that person you know the mayor of new york says selling all the time ago during nine eleven which it was a port o he said if you see something say something re the same thing holds true if you see something say something because a lot of times we see things that we turn away from we don't investigate we don't look beyond that i doubt if you would x to person it could show grass with a company that comes up is the german coding my gran's illegal in because it was a lot of times during gazing people in conversation would tell you a lot of things you know that instinct you know so it is not right then that when you can say something this this is really good information because it never occurred to me i mean a lot of us just go about our day to day lives not realizing that this is even an issue we come here to think that everyone's working of their own free will being paid  wages because that's the world that we live in so thank you for opening your eyes on the play this is something that is actually happening in regular middle class america throughout the whole country so let's be aware and have more dialogue and help their fellow human being that may be here and not the best condition grateful to bobbie to share insight with his experience as a special agent in the world of drugs and especially here today to talk about how drugs in rural america you heard me right not urban america suburbia rural america and how this epidemic is tremendously arising out of nowhere and how it is not in the forefront of what we talk about we're still looking at drugs being primarily in the urban areas bobbie tell us how that's different now please what makes you so different thank you again for being here what makes it so different is that though we're living in a time were before drugs were not is readily available as they are now you have a flow of drugs coming across tons and tons coming across the borders every day into america we have become used to go we had this thing what we call the war on drugs the war on drugs  the war on drugs was supposed to stop the drug trafficking was supposed to put a dent into what is happening is that the supply and demand has increased so much not only that but the economic value you know you take current market now a kilo of heroin seventy you well if you take that and you what we call break it up chop it up whip it up so that it turns into the resource seventy thousand dollars now become two hundred ten thousand dollars on the street the street value so there's an economic demand for it into money and economic investment is involved a lot of times you have corrupt so it relates to the soberer you see suburbs how drugs have taken off for years for years dr our society well what i've actually heard recently that places that you don't envision growing beautiful hills and far as some spots like vermont new hampshire places where there's sometimes more cows in people and now i hear that there's meth labs and heroin issues and cocaine issues is that the case now it is you know i want to share something with you so well months ago i was going to the engagement to speak and i want to do something different so i went by an addiction clinic and i saw this beautiful young lady who didn't look like me and i axed her how could i find someone that would be willing to go and speak and share their story she looked at me and she said i would love to do that i took this woman with me to  me to this day me and bobby still text back and forth because she tells me that telling her story has empowered her and me and her text back and forth to give her strength and her story is that you can't paint the place drugs being an urban thing now is a problem in the maracana is an american pie and so you're saying this lady upper class person fell victim to where she needed to go into a rehab facility for heroin that's not a light drug it's not that's a very severe drug and did she have children she did she had a daughter as a matter of fact it didn't start out of her was you guessed it being the a lot of us make them mistake of the god i started as a heroin addict didn't wake up that day to say hey i'm a heroin addict he started long time before that it was a progression so i can't even imagine the concept of you know you're raising children on one hand and on the other hand you're finding a place to put a needle so can you give us more examples of where has the task force chain and to where they look for their meth labs or the users of these heavier drugs and rule america one thing you have to realize when you go to rule america the cost up to looking for drugs for so long was in urban america they don't have to drive anymore exactly so now what you find is a lot of drug pushers or drug sellers they go we do with law enforcement check and see what's really going on out there who's coming out there because you're so isolated that isolation becomes a cover for you to operate so does you know that t v show breaking bad that they know are very good they actually do a service because it showed very middle class people in the middle of the country during meth and i think that gentleman on the t v show was a high school teacher you know meth is also rather causes before meth was known as a cheap drug a biker joke you there so he's changed the dynamics of how we fight the drug war and drugs in america become so prevalent now than they were before you know they also have that open up as to who they suspect could be the user or the pusher the drug dealer they open up their you know who they are looking for hope without question without question because you know you typically looking at a guy on the call a cell in iraq so small been those of her war but now what you have is you have people  demographics of drugs in america so now it's everywhere there is no escaping it there's no more stereotype the police are recognising that that stereotype has been smashed they don't just look in one area they're looking all areas in a word  father six blocks in either direction and probably find what you're looking for or not that being afforded we separate and somebody knows somebody who knows somebody who can give you what you want so this is going from not someone who's an educated everyone every social economic a class at this point you know all of us know someone or know someone who is either tried whether be laura want to something as simple as marijuana something as hot as cocaine or heroin what we found of marijuana and its purest form we were talking about the whole medical cannabis movement so i'd like to separate that out because that's still being really looked at exactly in the legal route so let's talk at the drugs that are no one's disputing i mean the meth the heroin the cocaine no one's disputing that those are ruining lives and families every day so this has been really enlightening thank you so much i'd like to now transfer over to something that is another serious topic drug violence how have you seen in your career drug violence affecting an average american well drug violence with drugs and the corruption and the money and the drugs comes the violence it becomes a thing of territory i've got to have drug drugs to protect the territory which are selling all i got to have guns to protect the money that i'm making because i got always worry about somebody robbing me i got to worry about some but i always try to steal the product or rob me so dead leaves open to a whole nother animal whole nother conversation we talk about drugs and guns you know violence and drugs across america several units what they call v t you want us ballance and drugs which are attached to the drugs the drug trade so these always have to be illegally obtained guns i mean if you're having you people going to gun dealerships or they have these crime shows i mean they have a lot of them i think all over the first much what i'm saying is that and i know you know we love our guns but at the same time we have a lot of good old history there for we have a lot of war the percentage of gun violence is higher but when you say on the street what does that t are not emotionally stable ready to say what about emotionally unstable individuals mentally unstable individual that question no carrying a gun carries a lot of a lot of responsibility of care to go for thirty years of my life a gun is just not a novelty or who live in concealed carry states are open carry states verses those there are many states that make it much much more difficult and forbid it basically on those who are in a very very minor category have you seen that those states allow go pin and concealed carry that lower the perhaps the incidences of violence because they're there to protect themselves there's that theory it is their theory and it's not even playing field  retire exactly in my opinion i have no problem with people owning weapons i own one myself i have no issue with that you know what i think that we need to do our due diligence before we allow people persons to possess a weapon that takes a life of course because naturally it's not about the weapon it's who yields exactly it's about their exactly it's who wields the weapon exactly is the issue exactly so more of restraining who is classified that they should be allowed their weapon and of course i believes honestly that if someone's going to own a gun they should have training in how to handle it probably because unfortunately there's a lot of preventable violence a lot of tragedies that stem from mishandling a weapon unfortunately so when it comes to children there's too many stories there should be no no stories at all there should be complete lack of stories of children who accidently hurt someone including themselves because they're improperly stored and because there's lack of training so that's one thing i was going to ask you about is how have you witnessed in your career guns being misused perhaps and for tragically by children oh i mean that's that's commonplace accidental discharges i mean perform as is designed to do when the triggers pool of the hammer falls and hit the pier there's a projectile coming out of the berth so i'm saying is that if you own a gun if you own a gun i think you should go to some type of training and safety training some type of learning how to operate their weapon and also storing that weapon because see you can store going how do you store what do you stored as we say hot loaded with think someone should tell someone else let's say you're a single parent exactly and you've hidden a gun god forbid something happens to you a car accident or something happens and no one else knows what that weapon is that's a big problem i think you should disclose to someone who's trusted you here you could find if you're going on with that weapon dose with that weapon it is is there for you know my kids have grown up in the household from oldest to my youngest with the weapon they all see my weapon sitting somewhere and they've they paid no money because it's not something new was no no so i think that if you go to carry a weapon you would need to educate our family excellent thank you very much that is really good information that everyone needs to heed if you're a gun owner make sure you obtain it legally practice using it cleaning it and of course store it as far away from children as possible store your gun and keep it locked and safe