president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years but after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about him as i probably you would suspect i get a lot of letters in my work dear john and a lot of those are very very fun to receive and others are very torturing to receive because the say you said that or i read that you said i have said and written so much and i would like those people to say i'm such and such a discourse a book on such and such a page paragraph five to six that's the part i want to argue about so i got one of these by the person saying i promised them all these things that i cocked about to take place in the spirit world well if that's true i live now because i don't promise anything i just tell people these are my experiences this happened to me if you're lucky if you have good karma if god takes a liking to you then you also may be able to experience something like that and if not don't bother me stop to god that's who i go to when there's difficulties i want to god i said this person wrote me this letter what should i do and he says go to them don't ask me now the flesh is willing and the spirit's more willing but it's not all that time intelligent because i have to then start with the first thing i wrote start reading it to see where i promised them that i would do what they think i promised and i must've been three weeks because it's not just a simple thing called speed you know evelyn would speed read through the paper and find out where it is because my stuff is much more subtle than that you have to look to see what does that word really mean to anybody who doesn't know what it means like  well let's see sam go i don't get it i said put a punctuation let's eat sam the oh that's really funny and then i'm sorry that i brought it up because nine explain something to them that they didn't even know about that they even then anyone know about it so whenever i go through information to find out what a person's asking i find that i give them the wrong answer to the wrong information and that's not what they're writing about but now since i brought that up then they want to nail me with that one also i think one of the biggest things i get accused of is west when people then say but you said i said right now i'm saying something else then i get the big one and which one is it and my answer is go out in the wind and find out and whichever one it is for you that's fine with me i'm not going to argue with you because i know you don't like it the winds will shift shortly and you can have whatever you want unless of course no one's having whatever they want whenever they want it in this work that's what i call a spiritual work but the same time that's probably some sort of misnomer it's really a loving work and then the loving work has self possessed called i'm not getting really what i want i ask everybody i've studied i did what my mother and father said i've done the whole thing and i'm not getting it not only am i not getting it it's getting worse when i can explain that part now that you're educated you can see where things can be worse so consequently when it goes that way you ha there it is and also because you're educated you'll start to see where they can go worse and with that attitude you'll make you go worse so when you get what you want then it's very disconcerting i didn't want that often the question is if you didn't want that how did you know you got that the often have that funny part called you an idiot and i i rephrase it to use ice use exactly the same words by tom i'll rephrase it if you didn't know what you want and how do you know that whole process of doing what they do is what we used to have success so when you use it to have very or it works that way also it really doesn't care what the content is of what you're using when you use the process of the visioning of sensing of seeing looking touching doing the feelings about what it would be like whatever that is that creates doesn't know you only want the good it will give you a bad one then you get this going on i and i guy to give you what you put motion and we're same no you are terrible whatever you are forgiving those terrible things why did you do that to me i said for the highest good well if you said for the highest good why did you go ahead and think negative well because once i savor the highest good and i'm entitled to think negative obviously that's what the teachings are all about teaching entente all about that teaches you all about for the highest good then leave is a long get away from well i can't get away from it because who will follow through don't save for the highest good yet to get to the is and then it's if this be for my highest good i would like to have it and if not i don't want it they never hear that parson and i don't want to they say and this will be for the highest good because i want then it doesn't happen that way people come to me them they say you taught me this that doesn't work i'm saying it didn't this well no it worked but it worked long and i take heart in that we can imagine same god talk to me tell me about the sermon on the mount and he goes no think they weren't ticky tacky when i wonder not ticky tacky they're matters of life and death all the time i mean i know it has to do with punctuating a sentence but that's important now because i'm after grade so you get a d n a test grade look at the paper and you throw it away you don't go back and cracked and learn what the correction was you got your grade just threw it away that's how much where in line to he says i'm such a way that it's possible to get and i don't know if you can get it if it's got to come in a certain way call i'm at the roulette table i'm putting the money the coin the chips on the number god now that's obvious that we're interpret ing what we're getting from the spiritual world and corrupting it to our own self conscious advantage the way we see it in that moment but is it to our advantage be rather questionable there are so many times and i'm sure all of you have been involved in situations where in you needed help from god and you searched sacred scriptures the holy writ was there and you picked up maybe the twenty third song the way i walk to the valley of shadow of death i will fear no evil and you just scared to death all the time you're reading it you're afraid your wife sat on you your husband out on you the kids out on you your money's out on you the cars out on you you'll fall out of the airplane that won't get off the ground you'll be late for the trip you'll drown in the and i don't know if it's evil or not i'm just fall of whatever it is i'm full of and it's fearful hear all day all my fear fear fear fear people say you want to go the movie i go i'm fearful that it won't even start on time i'm afraid i won't like it i'm afraid afterwards when i go to eat the food will be what i want on the menu i'm afraid the place only me closed i'm afraid on have enough money to buy what i really want because i'm just really afraid about all that no i won't go the movie i'll stay home once someone comes in the house robs me of if we go through twenty third song you know the lord is my shepherd that means he knows what's going on that means i'm some sort of animal look at the implication of the statement you're not supposed to know any better i walked in the valley of the shadow of death i don't have to walk through any valley i just walk in my front yard and i feel like i'm can you understand that we have been promised these things and that's a beautiful one i did another one a whole different perpetration the twenty third psalm that showed the truer meaning of that and why that is true and why it is so for us why if we start to move that way life becomes beautiful and down to ful i could never figure out those why the lord would prepare table for me in the presence of mind enemies something strange about that  can you understand the lynn we're out of sync with the reality of god loving it doesn't matter how good it sounds it's no good math why the teachings that i deal with are not my teachings these are the teachings of spirit i would love to be able to tell you these are john roger the man's teachings and therefore and i wonderful i may be all that but these are not my teaching these are our teachings that the sphere brings to us and says to us yes it's nice that you can recognize a supreme omnipotent god but also recognize that you're part of that and that that is in other things also in you and you can dwell in the house of god forever because you're drowning in the house now you just happen to be outside in the servants quarters that's all but you can get in periodic or how my going to get in there if you're in the servants quarters or some implication about me in the servants quarters that implication is serving that implication is having a willingness to serve and is serving whatever is given to you to serve if this beautiful woman called my wife is being given to me to serve then why should i d mand that she say that some other table than the table of plenty that god has provided for her why am i not happy serving in the lord's house and feeding  willingly you didn't do it lovingly you didn't do it with a heartfelt concept of service we say give me another chance is that this is five men how many more do you want another five million generous generous attune half and i gave you another two and a half at what point do we stop giving other people chances to grow at our expense doing the seeds the one given the chance is to continually give us chances to grow we stop passing on the chances to grow when we stop asking for the chances to grow i've never stopped asking for the chance to grow lord i would hope if i do i hope someday soon ask for a chance to grow that allows me then to give everyone around me one more chance to grow and maybe this one will be so absolutely perfect that i will be going to them saying will you give me a chance to grow in your love and in your lives they say yes i'm again blessed above all other people because being given that opportunity to serve from the place of serving not from the idea of when they're through eating i have scraps off the table that's really why i work here that w work you can't fool this presence of spirit in this around all the spirit in you talks of the spirit in me and mine talk to you so if i have an all teary or modem it conveys it to if you have your own alternative it conveys it to mean this is talk about this motive you have this person here they need to hear this to know that it is known to all of god's kingdom that we are connected in this one this called spirit and folks some of you see it some of you senses some of you know it none of those are better than the other way but when you get all of them going it's magnificent because you sit there and you find out the cup is overflowing and that cup is you and the spirit flows out of you and you're very very full of life then you are the most wonderful thing happens people from various denominational groups come up and say you didn't say this word this word is the word we must hear if you do not see this word and i was on my way to hell just what is the word of a glad to give to you i don't want to go to hell any chance well if you don't know i won't tell you well look you did you came up and told me that i'm supposed to know and give me a break i know for five hundred words just give me  spell it maybe i can stumble into it you see when we're working in this life of working in spiritual difficulties and there's a lot of i'm going to use word spiritual darkness even though that's sort of a lie because spirit  a spirit there's no darkness a spiritual lightness but there is a darkness prior to this moment of physical mental awakening in the spiritual awakening there's darkness in there and we call that spiritual darkness darkness is ruled over by a godly lord like form who has control over all of the earth below that paul of the bible said we're not wrestling against flesh and blood we're not going after you you you in the physical body and when people do that when they start to come after you you're anti christ you're a devil you're this or that he said were resting against principalities spirits of the air spiritual warfare is that real yes i call him the loyal forces of the opposition do they think they're wrong no they think they're right are they they're right in their thinking that they're not right because they think that way we all know that the most perfect rightness that we can have here is that right to choose for ourselves what it is we want to be involved in what is we want to do and  precursors that is not hurting yourself or hurting others the people say you can't do that unless you say buick first or you say cadillac first or you say rolls royce versus i give me the key to the car i'll say it on the way down the road no you don't get the key in till you say what i want to hear you say i paid for it in cash that's close enough you can have the keys money here does buy a great deal of opportunity if you don't think it does you haven't been paying your bills and i would if i were you why i know they cheated you i know they've upped the price i know they really go gee i know all of that they do it to me i don't buy it in the second afford to pay it if i can pay it i don't even consider it if i can i say this is going to take more than just one day to pay this is going to take fifteen years every month i will do this with you and if they gabs me they sneaked on me and i gotta pay that in order to learn to not happen again that's what i'm going to have to learn i can't sit around saying that they're that you took advantage of me so therefore i'm going to go to the courts have them pass laws to protect me against my stupidity or that's what it will down to business i get to sue you to get back what you took from me because i was stupid and you were smarter so i want this law to protect me f my stupidity you can no longer do business with me and that's why when i think it's fair you lose i win a wonderful law if you get to win that's ok with me as long as it person in this reality world saying you are and you alone are blessed and all these people underneath you that you say are blessed are blessed and the ones that you say are cursed i'm going to curse  on that gods i'm sick i mean i've got a real moral issue with a god that would do that extremely well i'm very ethical issue with that god i have an extreme question about that god integrity because what if if what i hadn't been one of those that was in the line that god shared to grace on i was in this other line but i haven't heard anybody i've helped people build bridges raised barn deliver get fixed and now i'm on the curse list because this fellow says and god i don't like you and i don't like you either you go to hell if that is true on this planet i want to go now save myself any kind of sense of hope that's going to be any better than this now because i would get in the end anyway this makes sense to you the only other conclusion could come to is that person who said god loves me and only me and my kind is wrong he didn't finish out the definition it isn't large enough to encompass the rest of us were yes and that person said and god loves me and only me i've seen him cheat on his income tax and he blesses them to be rich and they multiply and they flourish in their richness she's how do i get in a group where you can't because you're born wrong name wrong color wrong religion wrong something see this happen out in the world good people have bad things happen to a new saying why why is this good family guy goes to church every sunday the wife has helped people they brought animals in the house they fed them they nourish them back to catch birds and fix their remains i mean you look at the family you go that's a family i should have been born  why did you do it when you take somebody else and nobody wanted there wouldn't even be missed they'd be better off with you this kid had a everything going everything everything is hard isn't my had a situation like that or person died and they came out to this is why why i says it's very sad and very tragic and it happened to you and your family and there's a lot of grieving we've got to do because we're going to miss the person and we grieve the loss god was no explain nation because explaining a thing doesn't bring back explaining it doesn't make it hurt less explaining it's a waste of time of getting down from the bills call it happened it happened  do to me but god what can i do now that it hurts so bad now when i need it i'm not going to have the kid be stored i'm going to have the person restored i want to have me stored where in the business in this movement of spiritual in awareness in all the organizations inside cohen are p t s and messiah of restarting people to themselves to but i'm good for a lot of things i'm good when it rains to bag up bag and put by house of the water doesn't get in there wipe out your house i'm good for that i'm good when there's fruit on the trees i can pick  preserve it to give other people so they can eat i'm good for that i know i'm not good for all the things you want me to do because i don't have to do them but i do know how to do what i do and i have negativity is here to my permission to be here because after all is said and i want you as human beings to turn to me in your best situation and in your worst situation loving me first and foremost and with that loving of me you will love yourself and that loving yourself you will love your neighbors and that loving neighbors you will prepare this planet so beautifully that people will say these are god's chosen people because they chose to be god's chosen people and god has said yes you're my it's not that god created us in his image and then we turned around and created god in our image flattering but it's not that type of a statement it's a statement of purpose and direction using the choices that are available to us and listen every one of us get up to do something and we choose not to we do so many decisions by default that we don't think those decisions count and they do count as defaulted negative decisions because we didn't say no to say no is not a negative decision it's an affirmative action that you're not participating in that and don't expect me to know i won't be doing that we have a same a called don't run my past on me they've been this true never done anything in your past that you really liked let me say that you dislike this and you did it in your past and you don't really care to do it again you have to raise your hands we've all done that and what do people do they will in the most  to shorten moment point ring up something the thirty two years ago and they've got all the detail on it and you've got nothing on except i probably did that and you can't turn the person saying you're lying because no they're lying you gotta know what you didn't do and you don't know that either well i heard the most wonderful answered and it was really amazing heard happened or didn't happen she was saying i will be discussing this with you it was wonderful the other person shut up of course see i heard this because of said where i could hear it because they want me to get th negative information about the first person with and i said just for the heck of it did you do it she says what do you think i said well if you did i'm kind of out of aafia second time she says i really didn't do it the first time she says but i am still open to a first time i said that it wasn't battery thing she says oh no only in that person's mind are things bad in my mind things are opportunities and experiences and growth and addresses in my mind that's also thank god i talk to you that we apples all over my boots and i knew where i was walking it was just so deep it didn't matter sometimes we'll walk through situations that are like that and we've got to know that  there in fact most people say out there it's all over in the willingness the willingness to experience it opens you to have the willingness of go expressed to you in the barn on the streets to dinners and meetings like this by yourself then why hasn't god done that god to you all align this god that we know is a god of constant revelation constant revelation how do i know that because every day you're revealing something new to yourself and other people revealing it to you and you read a book and something reveals itself to you a we're looking for the front here of new inventions we are actually growing so rapidly in this outer world that it is at some point going to start challenging the merchanting richness of the inner world in fact now people are putting machines on their head and they're listening to the machine tell them what their body is or is not doing biofeedback devices thank god we have those biofeedback devices bitchery inclined to do repetitive motions without knowing it we don't understand why we kept getting in trouble i don't know why every time i walk neck candy store they call me a cook i just walk by and pick up candy but my pocket i don't need the candy i'm not stealing it it's in your pocket you didn't pay for it you got the door that qualifies as stealing but i return it to him i give him one many the madness in our society if you embezzling money from a bank gave it back and now you give it back with interest i know you beat yourself i know you felt bad for yourself i know you confessed the crime and you did it and you go to jail and that's the way that law is written and they w that's unfair don't embezzle in the first place if you want to deal in fairness don't take the stuff in the first place don't do the activity in the first place you can't justify yourself in the last place because of what somebody else did everybody's doing it as a beautiful sister beautiful daughter in the daughter this is many years ago to crisis points which are always comfortable for me cause i don't want them other lose and i don't want the daughter to lose so i would lose form so they're going inside screaming don't change the subject don't do it don't want to go you have different things in life to do and these other girls there are things maybe better than yours i don't know there are things maybe worse than yours i don't know but when you approach or you're going to produce yours from a very clean moral place because you're who you are and you're my daughter and the daughter said thank you mother and the conversation was over all she did was explain to her now my folks were the said you want to do what be teaching she said i don't have the patience thinking you say you don't have the patience but you sit and demonstrated infinite patience for her she got it she's but she's a very smart girl i said she's a smart girl i know a lot of smart girls smart boys she's well she's always been like that my sis over she came out of the room she was saying i'm smart to talk to me she's oh no she would do a lot of little things i takes so long but she's my daughter you see and she's worth it said she didn't know that when she was young she said she will still be worth that she was and she'll still be worth it which is a statement about her call when i get to training her she will be worth it because i will teach her how to think how to reason i said what about your son said no there's something about mothers and sons of different the mothers of the daughters i just called prejudiced she said well yes i said you're going to ruin him you let him lord it over you and he's going to grow up become a father and become of troublemaking a very wise person who i grew up with who was dumb and stupid then i said of course you see you had me as a reference point she said then the spite of you i got it didn't go fishing unless you got the right bait these are just indicators that we are all traversing through so much of the same territory and it's not even worth our time to play a lone ranger or tonto or a nobody loves me god doesn't love me or i feel i'm just the accused and picked on i know but in the stands me not only that nobody can understand me well the last part is to get out of the understanding business because you can't communicate misunderstand me and there are going to misunderstand me be right now have a good time when they misunderstand one for me who really wants to win in terms of the negative qualities of life well believe it or not they're out there keeping track of all the wrong they do to prove that they're worthless and they're no good then when somebody jumps on there was a look once you do what you're doing a guy just to mess up i miss about all the time i'm no good i'm worthless i tell myself that all the time you don't have to tell me i've told me then they think that justifies excuse perform doesn't it just says even when you perform you perform under a handicap call your own thinking i don't know what makes sense to you alone things are going bad for you and it's down and it's gloomy bad time it got to have a laugh you're bad just because they're bad you've got to have a laugh there that you can start laughing to get yourself a promise no that wouldn't be honest don't worry about honesty worry about laughing they said things are my feelings i have a right to be heard i'm down ok you have a right to be down but how about having a right to laugh about being down no i don't give myself that right do it now no kind am living in a fantasy when did this happen to you two weeks ago you're living a fantasy is all over i was given the opportunity for a better fantasy because you're nurture yourself to being on this razors edge of pushing the edge to have more life more experience you keep pushing it see the bad news about one hundred percent push  now there's twenty percent not worth really be involved with so you watch it now go do this and they no longer living in that twenty percent of their life it's dull that's boring was a lot to say i wonder what's with the twenty percent that happen they go b percent now for ten years and i really gained enough love from how could you live in something like that with your money after i got your twenty percent back we still had one hundred that was their money all of their money i figure we might as well gamble because we lost the last come even but i kept winning and winning because there's a real statement in that you can't win more than you willing to lose don't lose more than you can afford to l so the idea of poor people having poor ways is quite accurate in the reflection of our life i'm poor i can't afford to lose much so i just go a little bit that little bit for you represents a little bit no loss see the situation is the same thing and i'm interpreting it according to the conditions of my life the conditions i accepted the conditions i created what i control my the guide took his last little bit for doubt and one and one and it grew and it grew and he doubled his victories as he doubled his failures it wasn't too long there were no thinkers there were just experiences of learning of how not to do it and he stayed out how not to do it and he was learning of the how to do there were so many more than he had experienced his life was vital dynamic what am i going to learn today to make this thing bigger for more people  perfectly just start doing it at some point repetition will show up and just shows you not being creative or maybe not getting informed to teach it to somebody else with me you always have choices the choice to learn the choice not to learn the choice to grow the choice to stay confined that's yours because i have the same choices and i respect yours and look for your respect towards mine and i choose something support me in it when i choose you choose  support you and yours who choose together to grow and do something that's all support each other and that doesn't mean to let my be the if i can make it it's a shot and you say i'm here i didn't think i could make it but i came to tell you i could make it but i'm here so i made it so let's  the type of activity that's going to make your life nurture and grow here physically and the spirit will reside in you the successful peer because spirit is that success and it's always yours to be involved  will look old look at it as being familiar things that you're comfortable with this new growth that gets to be the excitement john rogers closing where it's where they shan't which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i e dot au r g r right to that which is post office box five one three one three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for joining us