not so i'm taking five hour engineering courses and stanford was just expanding at that time and in the physics class i've been a lecturer cast for three hundred fifty people in the lab classes their facilities were limited is good at that time my it was hard work and i didn't have the discipline to sit there and study the stuff and that's it really appealed to me one of the courses that i took from the mass course was taught by a foreign student who i went over and checked it and they looked over my aptitudes and everything else and said yeah you should get nervous explorers we offer a bachelor of arts in physics bachelor of arts and is yes exactly i the korean war is on full blast and people are avoiding the draft being drafted and so i said i want to take economics now we're getting down to  courses didn't know exactly how to do any gravity in the one nine hundred fifty s from the nineteen twenty's thirty's and forty's and their gravity was was part of general knowledge of them from this university of him powers to be the defense department immediately lashed onto him and by the way that technology is being used today the antigravity to gravity technology and don't need to get into that no but i'm glad end up with an economics degree the air force learn how to fly it cetera et cetera and so i did get married to a lovely girl who sent me a dear john at the last minute oh but anyway this is a whole you know i've been through those types of things but here now i'm i'm an economics degree i got out and wound up working some of years later for you know packer they hired me because i had developed with some other guys process welding very fine wire and said here here in the wire yes eighty minutes three times four times finer than your finest here invisible why are you going to actually see the only concede under a microscope and we were making special radicals in the crosshairs for transits for hunting rifles rifles for the marine corps and we're going to be an expert at hands on kind of stuff if you'd factored interviewed me and wanted me to come to work for them because  i knew how to weld fine wire and microcircuits were just being built and the large scale microscope microcircuits that time was for transistors on a quarter inch  hundred twenty six professionals in the area where i was hired twenty six hundred employees and they hired me all right two people who were mechanical engineers the and and i was hired as a micro circuit process engineer and i was working in the production area we had an excellent design engineer electrical design engineers and they could design a circu i'm working with some professionals professionally trained from universities who didn't have the slightest clue words or do you see and would tend to make you question instruments out the door regardless of what the design and engineering laboratories think and do and so there are two independent lines of thought ok to say that  fixed and go into production department i was a hero didn't care what my education was however in the engineering departments we'd sit in meetings and talk about building new servers and these guys had been telling me what to do they even hired consultants well as it turns entire world and so we're in this society in our monthly meetings we have guys come in from all over they're struggling with the same problems and see now no respect at all and from them and the head of the laboratory research laboratory has been designing and building circuits you know got a big fight with me about he knows more about building circuits than anybody here in the state is the but i was not trained as an engineer really my eyes were not close i had to depend more on the supernatural help and i also had to depend on and i have to say that my boss shipped me to every summer in our conference around the world because i was a dried sponge but you see oh i knew what i needed to know to get to think on the memory beach the row you did you know the academics were going it up here in theoretical and you were working in the practical example and you had no preconceptions about what the practical ought to be because of theories that didn't work you were looking this is the problem well we can probably sell it this way let's try that and it's also significant what you just said it and i was going to ask you this too is the the leaps of invention that you've made in several different fields in the recent water rigs and yes you credit your credit that to divine intervention and so all i would go home at night  direct questions not general questions and so all that night i dream of the black ball a black labrador sort of a hybrid black labrador his name was blackie and i met blackie in my dream and the storm ran up to mean was affection affection and and that were better than a dream well the next day i had to go pick up some drums i was building my own house and on my own greenhouse and i needed some steel drums she well it turns out you drums so i drove down to the scrap yard and i got out and out comes this friend who ran the scrap yard who i knew quite well and we had a he didn't attack me he put his arms paws legs wrapped him around my leg and was going to make absolutely sure that i paid attention to him we had a love beast yeah labrador well it was pure it was lousy in confirmation and the owner just repeated what i heard in the dream yes e's a very beating  and so from then on i paid attention to my dreams the lord made it very clear to me yes he does communicate by his dreams yes frost what is your dream  i was as an economics major among professionals and some of them really resent yes they were and that's where i received discrimination for the questions you ask as an example i wound up doing research work for the air force academy in the air force academy lab because i was working on microcircuits and they wanted very much for microcircuits to absolutely i bought the newspaper i thought this would be really cool i was in the aerospace engineering and after they landed on the moon nasa stopped hiring and so of the seventy one graduates in aerospace engineering at iowa state university in the spring of one thousand seventy one got a job one got a maybe at sixteen i had no job prospects and i said i may need to look at a different career so so i really didn't know what the second idea was so i decided to just put my you know college education a hole and  i possibilities for energy to be sure that a small community started a well i mean at first i didn't know anybody was thinking about this i didn't know what history i didn't know that people had been you know discovering this over and over and over everything good for the last hundred years i didn't know any of those things at that time right and but by above nine hundred seventy five i realized you know i really need to continue my education and so instead of going back to school what i decided to do was i decided to start reading the works of the great geniuses of the last century and not read about them read what they said they read what other in no significant discoverers when i was reading about right built or going to cumulate years and i did all of these things i really ran all of those experiments and secure so yes for myself just to see what would happen and you know got an education