brought her on the show is because talk about her over the years she has exposed some of or her life experiences that are really extraordinary so i said look let's do a show people need to know about some real life experiences that the average behind that it's the koran and some people know it as a poor hand and some know it is what for me that was a religious experience just up the story housed in the prison system and it comes a lot from how they were treated when they were arrested some of them were brutally beat and i did get to see that some of them there was really harsh harsh discrimination harsh prejudice i mean they they were not treated that well of course being of a minority as they called it minority and there were things that were done even in the department and the sheriff's department and in a police department that was just so poor racism on cia officers not all of them i had quite a few friends and partners that are they're very fair and very just but then there was those that they used to say things like let's see who can give out tickets and all they take bets on things like that and then there was tell us you don't have to have probable cause there's things that you just look for straight up discrimination  gym shoes high priced gym shoes tap sports caps you know gains makers in chicago white sox all of that guys with those game with those ca and with the expensive gym shoes they would stop them quite often they would stop them and that was really really harassment what about the type of course sign with the my sons especially remember happen to call me at work when i was doing the night shift and they i guess a lived in waukegan as well as libertyville which is the suburbs they had a carnival on grounds and what they did for to make some money they were in high school they would break it down them and about four of their friends they would set up for them they would break it down and automatically stop them and question them and they gave all my information and i was able to leave in cong because i generally pick them up to take them all home now you say yeah but you know we have to question him they were about seven black young males so we didn't know what they were up to i saw did a boss tell them tell you that they generally set up and break down in a carnival for them and he said year as in so you don't believe the owner and you didn't believe them and as you know i'm one try reporting as to your watch the man and let them know what happened  what you did and given your badge number and i said ok well they can go they can leave with you now and i did i followed up on it but it was extreme prejudice straight up prejudice i had him believe that the kids in that area you know and until i came and they looked up my information so let me ask you of course in the big having that experience the president had this to two eighteen two officer how any of this can be changed or remedy it can be changed and it can be really the one thing that has to happen because you have killings on both sides now and that's definitely not good by the can be remedied by there being more of communication more interaction between the young people as well as the officers and especially the police department itself and the sheriff's department itself in the state troopers and their needs to be more training and sensitivity to this issue and after the training there needs to still be interaction between the young people and the police officer they all need to not just sit down together but they need to talk and understand and they need to listen and they need to communicate well ok give me an example was that looked like or does it look like or would it work with that scenario you just express what the what would that look like it would look like coming from the mayor's office and coming from the chief of police saying hey les stop this violence let's sit along sit down and get along let's talk let's communicate see why this is going on and hey yeah we do know that we have some officers that are harassing and even killing and even beating yeah we we know that and they do they know it there's been numerous cases that have been cited even right here in seattle number is cases so they know what's going on they have talked about having the office went to her home since then they started talking about hey we need to train our officers to know what to do they have been incidents where our young men know who he was mentally challenged and when they held him up he couldn't answer them you know but they did not recognize the signs and they were very clear but it needs to be done that communication needs to be done and that sitting down and standing up to not just sitting down standing up and actually going forward with an action plan now is a serious problem very serious problem let me say we could do five shows on this right now this kind of let's kind of get to this is this episode here with some of your experiences here we see you on is a very good friend i can a group with him he was in new york but also in chicago quite a bit when he went to the mom straining my exams and went there with him too so we got a of people who are just interviewing and i just happened to be the one they got a call back from her and i started working new york mt vernon new york and  that was really a great experience because i had already been working with civil rights and n w a sapient united front from cairo and during a lot of civil rights activities one hundred things that i learned about her not only was she a concert pianists she also and singer she did a lot of work and civil rights there were a lot a lot of things she was involved in she was very very down to earth which is how i ended up when i did not work for her we became very good close friends close enough where she came and visited us and spent time at our house with the family and with the community i she did a lot of community activities that were for people who were homeless for people that  did not have jobs to did not have all home some of them just simply were down on their luck or well a lot of people don't know about her is that she was actively involved in helping them and it showed in a lot of her songs though issues very affected by the different prejudices and discrimination that was going on if you listen to her songs you'll see the message very upset about that and she was very tired very tired of hearing about incidents like that you know there was a lot of social rights leaders  besides martin luther king and malcolm x our there were others that were being under attack and there were being killed young people children young people and she just was really very upset with that even with the stuff in africa her friend mary mackillop are there to help with some of the things that was going on here and wasn't just here in america entertainment she was very well accepted here in seattle when she came and did a concert here and this was not that long ago because it was just before her passing and then she went back of course to  to europe where she found it easier to live there well let me ask you sir are written there some of these countries in israel germany london did you travel with her to these countries not all of them with thaw germany i entered a contest at the chicago y m c a and there use and i happened to be working there and involved in young people's program so i entered the contests and it was twenty five that they chose out of the thousand to go to germany and we went to germany as youth she did have a manager that was also there so even though in the home was in mount vernon new york the recording was there in california so you know i want i wanted too do another two or three shows with you about some of your experiences but in the time that we have left could you tell us about your original heritage here in the united states or that was something that my sister on ma's or call was no longer here also she passed but two years ago that was something she and i really worked on i have seven brothers and two sisters well now one by one i worked on our heritage we worked on on our d n a which is something a lot of people are doing now and we did eighty eight and we got our information from my grandparents as well as my parents but we had older grandparents their dad remembered like my grandma mary they had a farm in clarksdale mississippi which is where i was born in one nine hundred forty nine i was born with a midwife which on my birth certificate says bessie carter but they have that all that was from africa yes and that was the that was the point that stuff that the information we was able to get and it's pretty much talked about today