in on a later date and also want to mention that the call in number for this evening is one three zero one seven one five eight five nine two that's one three  one seven one five eight five nine two with a webinar of nine four zero zero three three nine zero seven five four one i d is nine four zero zero three three nine zero seven five four you will press pound to enter the meeting and then star nine to request to speak and star six two are mute i have confirmed with with the team here that they should have a graphic also explaining that to you viewers that are tuning in to make sure that you have all that information readily available to you there will be a couple opportunities this evening for public comment and so i will those again and i would now ask that you please join the pledge of allegiance and we will have a moment of silent prayer afer that with liberty and justice for all all right thank you very much next up is public comment and i just want to single out a couple things one is we will after the public comment and the executive report we will have our continued motion to extend an emergency declaration and we can give into that further but that will come before the consent agenda and also want to acknowledge that there was one comment on lakewood speaks for public comm tonight that had to do with trash and some issues within the neighborhood about trash so we'll certainly relay that information to the team here and the public information team and see if we get some better information so with that this is the point in the meeting where the public is invited address this city council on items that did not appear on the agenda all comments should be directed to the city council i ask that all persons calling in observe the same decorum of the city council meeting held in person i will be keeping the time it will be three minutes and i will politely let you know at thirty seconds and we will try to wrap you up after that and again this is for things that are not on the agenda including the i think they dropped  hello thank you city council can you hear me yes color eight eight nine four if you give us your name and headers for ward we'll get you started thank you my name is tom keefe i'm in ward five and i live awesome your three minutes on thank you i just wanted to speak about the weather honestly the thing that we've been breathing and and the things we've been avoiding halloween is less than three weeks away and we're already it seems to me making coated nineteen into a boogie man and beyond nineteen and twenty all of the sudden all the things that we don't really want to do we're before we ever heard the phrase covid nineteen it's just one example of how we haven't really lived up to our award winning nonpartisan sustainability plan the pandemic is a time where we can examine we are but more what what and who we want to be and how we're going to get there as people who have sheltered in place running our air conditioners wouldn't it have been nice if we had funded and met the goals of achieve thirty percent tree canopy coverage initiatives warwick rhode island where i grew has only two hundred days of sunlight and has given away a thousand trees a year for almost a decade saving an estimated thirty dollars per month for household or property owner in terms of air conditioning and heating with over three hundred days of sunlight we could save even fifty percent more that's fifty percent more to stimulate the efficient use of lawns sprinkling systems instead of just immediate evaporation this summer fires have shown us again how dangerous this is to take clean air for granted we have a responsibility to the children of our community our neighbors with asthma and all the people in lakewood along the whole front range really to partner together to plant trees establish that compost thirty centers and incentivized gray water systems in  new construction protect our beautiful for spacious skies our amber waves of grain ou purple colorado mountains majesties let us do our part push back against these hazy skies from forest fires with amber air so hard to breathe and our purple mountains becoming gray with certain smoky air let's fund those promises frm two thousand and fifteen is much healthier lakewood thak you thank you everyone right madam clerk next please hello color zero three one zero good evening if you give your name and address or word we'll get your three minutes started okay hello my name is john cantaloupe i live in ward one near the corner of  crash lack of rocketry club launching at bear creek lake park i just want to say it's i've been watching with the club for about eight years now with kids who are now thirteen and ten years old given that it's it's it's one of the many things that we enjoy about their creek like park we go there for many opportunities it's been a great educational opportunity for my kids i'm a homeschooling parent and it's  been a great way for us to get out and meet other people and gaging and educational activities like that it's i've it's a hobby i've been involved in for many many decades i've launched with a lot groups i've been really really impressed with crash in particular as a group that really really engages with the community in a number of ways educational outreach opportunities and mentoring at schools and with boy scout clubs and to hobble the group and to deny them the opportunity to use the space to launch would really be a travesty to a lot of people all over the community not just to the people that regularly launch with the club i feel that the parks decision to to terminate the agreement to launch there feel somewhat arbitrary given given the reasons that were provided as far as crowding in the park yes i mean bear creek like pockets it's really really crowded but it's not in the same places at the same times you know every every launch that i've been to their the area where the club launches is not an overcrowded area it's not conflicting with others uses of the park what more what's more a lot of the time the crash is launching is is at times of the year when when the park is not overcrowded sometimes in the winter at the height of summer typically we don't get to launch at all because of fire restrictions and things like that so i don't see how crowding is an issue i don't see how dangerous an issue because as i said the club is is very careful you know observes you know fire good evening good evening city council this is my second time that i've ever presented to you guys and i appreciate everything that you do and learning more about how the city works and i am a big big weeks ago about this real estate one hundred and fifty best places to live in the united states and i was sure like what was going to be on that list and it's not i was  really like why isn't lakewood on this list because lakewood is a fantastic place to live with one hundred and four parks and so many things to do for families it's so family friendly i run a company called space voyage and i do aerospace educational programs for kids across the united states many in jeff go run space camp out of littleton this would have been my th year so i got to do that virtually summer i would like to see lakewood do three things to become in this group of one hundred and fifty best place to live i was told here i live in lakewood that there used dairy farms yet there's no place i can take my kids or grandkids where they can milk the cows see happen i've been told and read that there used to be a lot of apple orchards here in lakewood yet there is no place i can go and pick apples i mean there is park that has apple trees but it isn't an orchard we have one hundred and four parks and we have this wonderful park bear creek thirty one hundred acres which we can't launch rockets in because well somebody's got sideways with the city council i'd like to apologize for that i want to help my kids get there i work with about twenty thousand kids a year and i'd like to get some of these kids over there on the on the weekends that do it and i think it just be wonderful for lakewood to do these three things that they maybe expand a little bit in terms serving the community we've been all american cities twice i believe i don't understand why we're not all american city every third year i don't understand why we're not in his best places to live because we are one of the best places to live so i just want to put that in your ear the second kind of just encourage you to think about that i  totally support deal the rocketry efforts they do it very safely and they really get kids charged up about what they might be able to do for career so again thank you for all you do for lakewood and  good evening caller one one one six if you press star six you can mute places like that i work on entering students from the university of colorado in denver and and a lot of them their first chance to lanch a rocket is to come to crash at bear park otherwise it's two and a half hours away to get to anywhere else it's the only legal place in jefferson county it's just hard to find a place to launch anymore and it's getting more  difficult all the time i'd hate to see another place disappear on us but there's very little reason for it they cite safety often but if you look at our record we're much safer than by seattle's we're much safer now horses are much safer than automobiles it's so very very safe bobby and the first thing we teach kids is our safety code and if it's followed there are very little problems no problems at all really we have our own insurance actually which i never i do not know of any instance where it's used in all fifty years of rocketry it is that all kinds of their own space companies basically indirectly by working with students who are later gotten jobs or those companies and oh i i excuse me we're even situated for the last thirty five years as you already know our group is made up of volunteers that use their personal time to teach model rocketry and related science activities to youth from lakewood and surrounding communities i think all of you know the importance of teaching our young people the value of learning about science engineering and math and our club is one of the best places to learn valuable hands on skills that prepare our youth for advanced scientific and engineering careers to quote from and twenty article published by the colorado school of mines colorado's aerospace industry is soaring there are more than one hundred and eighty aerospace companies in our state that have produced nearly thirty thousand jobs in my interactions with management at boeing and lockheed they cannot get enough young people to fill their jobs unfortunately they need to look outside of colorado and the us in fact my fourteen year old daughter who flew her own rocket designs crash when we were allowed was offered t jobs in the aerospace industry imagine if other kids still had that opportunity so i ask you on behalf of the kids in your community to consider that what you can do to support their long term dreams not just for an activity today but for a career for tomorrow you can also stand up for our senior hobbyists who enjoy a way to interact and pass along their skills we can't all ride a bike until eighty years old as a club we've done all we could we met with everyone we have been asked to we looked for other places to fly and fight for over a year to keep our dedicated site you could support this with a simple discussion or declaration thank you mayor and council get your time star if you give us your name and warner address do you hear me yes we can area okay great my name is terry mccreary i don't live within a thousand miles from here you folks are but i'm here to talk about rocketry because while growing up i thought seriously about becoming a police officer what that has to do with anything well that changed in fifth grade and instead i earned a bachelors degree a master's degree and ap hd i've just retired after forty two years of teaching university chemistry i'm a coauthor on two college chemistry textbooks one of which is the number one selling consumer chemistry textbook in the world and i've written a book on rocket propellant chemistry that's also number one in the united states of its type i've had a tremendously successful professional career that it's highly likely that none of this would have happened if it had not been for model rocketry as a kid i liked working with things that actually did something like motorized cars and gliders flying model airplanes electro magnets that sort of thing but this was in the s and s and like most kids in that time frame first on my list of interest was the space program while i was in fifth grade one students brought in a  rocket not a plastic display but something that would actually fly and i couldn't believe that i was instantly and for the rest of my life that interest led me to learn about other areas of science and technology and i finally centered on chemistry and physics which is where i am today now how many of you parents out there that are hearing this have children who are playing video games do need to ask that question let's face it all of you probably do wouldn't you rather that they got out in front of that tv model rocketry is not only fun but it's qute educational i evidence that when the sky is clear the wind is low the rockets come out and they punch holes in the sky and i can tell you there's nothing quite like the thrill of pushing the button and watching a rocket you built fly hundreds of thousands feet in the air you hold your breath until the parachute comes out and it drifts back to earth and to be launched again and again now there's an unfortunate perception this activity is dangerous actually model rocketry is literally safer than any sport you can name with the possible exception of tiddledywinks so it's not a matter of safety it's a matter of perception more than anything else if you're interested in having your children in an activity that is educational fun fun and suitable for ages from ten to adult model rocketry is a good choice i would hope that you would support crash and their efforts to provide thank you it looks like there is somebody with their hand up toddler six four two eight low color six four two eight give us your name and address we'll get three minutes started hello it's matt boyles i'm also the president of crash i'm in denver colorado yes we here just again to remind you that crash is still around we didn't get coded and disappear obviously we are out there supporting and are supported by the boy scouts the civil air patrol educators parents we have support with the aerospace industry boeing stands by us and obviously people in here in lakewood so we have a lot of support right now it seems that the only support we don't have is the stuff that we need which is your city s obviously we have a lot of benefits we provide a good excellent time for families to come out and do something and a lot of times they get to participate in something that you know and do something together that you know most people don't get to do very often  every issue i think that the park has cited that we were the cause of turns out and we were able to prove that that wasn't us and it usually happened on days that we weren't there were the safe s safest activity at the park so i'm really still struggling to see why the park staff has decided that they don't think we belong thank you very much for your time ok so that is all that we have in one quick second right so i will close public comment and just certainly would encourage i know i know that the crash folks are very passionate and there was a comment about somehow they got on the wrong side of council or staff and that's certainly not the case i think there's great support for rocket launching amongst everyone and the encouragement was that the city staff has to manage the resources and and look at different things in different parks and so that's where this this has led us now they're still launching they're still able to launch after a couple of years of trying to work and i guess the crash folks who called i'd be interested and maybe you can educate the council i hear a lot of folks calling from all over outside of lakewood but i'd be really curious you know if you're operating within our impacted our title one elementary schools the schools where kids really probably would never have an opportunity to launch a rocket and just curious if you've engaged with them and if you do any activities with those types of schools there's probably about fifteen of them in the city of lakewood so if you're still listening i'd love to know your interaction with our with our own elementary schools and junior yes thank you good evening i have a pretty brief report this he mean first of all i thought i'd gie you an update on the senate bill to seventeen mandatory body camera program for our police department's i think that chief mccaskill i think he has exlained earlier that we've actually looked into the body cams twice before and at both of those times we found that financially we weren't going to be able to cover the cost of a program now we're mandated by by the state so we do have a committee together it's the police department i finance and h r and we will implement within the law a body cam program for all four all sworn law enforcement employees in the city and our hope is our goal is to have that done by march of two thousand and twenty two which is in advance of the deadline of the bill but we just wanted to get this done as quick as possible we think it's about a sixteen eighteen month lead so just just an update as we have and as we have more progress i'll make sure to report that to you and as you know we don't have a city clerk right now we have our fearless interim city clerk ben goldstein and t his great relief we've started the interviews for our city for our next city clerk we conducted two interviews today and we'll continue that process and of course i'll update you as that process is concluded this is pretty good news in the area of public works we've successfully achieved a class six rating in fema's program for flood floodplain management and what this does is it results in a twenty percent premium discount to lakewood property owners who purchase federal flood insurance policies so that's really good news it creates a discount for our citizens and that was a multi departmental effort so thanks to all the folks who worked on that on behalf of the citizens lakewood and finally would it be an executive report if i didn't update you on the latest and greatest openings in our continual opening of programs and services and community resources so w are happy to announce that we are now taking reservations for indoor pickle and racquetball at both carmody and green mountain recreation center you would be surprised how popular pickle ball is and of course racquetball is always we also are starting a program which vaccine clinic outside whitlock center on october nd the visitors center at bear creek park is just going to be reopened and kids can come by and pick up an activity book to become junior rangers so that's a cool opportunity for our kids in this city and finally sprout city farms is seeking leaves to help winter mountain air park community farm so not anything else but leaves but if you happen to have leaves where you can donate so they can help winterize the farm over there please bring those lea th and depew there's a sign that indicates exactly where to drop those off th and depew and they'll be taking those leaves through november th though there's i'm sure there's more information on the web site but that's just to let you know there's a lot of things happening community resources and with that my my reports concluded thanks thank you very much think called the glow stick parties raves back in the day so i guess this is what they declaration as you know we're continuing to be under certain orders either via the health department or increased mask mandate by the governor which i think went back into effect or was extended yesterday so all these different moving pieces are still in play so we are doing check ins every other week or so and so with that i'll ask the mayor pro tem for a motion and move to extend the declaration of disaster in the city of  extended my majority of the city council on multiple occasions and by this motion extended again until october twenty six two thousand and twenty unless earlier extended or terminated by the city coun tonight there are no first reading ordinance on the consent resolutions are items of a routine nature members of the public will hae an opportunity in a moment to comment on any o different ones before we we take a vote so madam clerk i don't see anybody with their hand up if you wish to speak on item six seven eight or nine which are appointments please do so  i will close public comment and ask for a motion and then i'll go to for the adoption of the resolutions all which are included in the content agenda items introduced into the record by the city second all right we have a motion a second councilwoman sharon benson we've had a number of lengthy interviews and interview sessions in recent weeks and months and have come up with some very good that the board's noxious weeds or noxious to a three year term that will end on may thirty first two thousand twenty three and a new member of the victims assistance  year on mute i'm sure i appreciate that and certainly want to thank everybody i know these things can be challenging after sitting on the screening committee for some time so a lot of great folks but really important to see people step up and it is nice to see i saw anthony on there so congrats i had no anthony from another deal that's cool to see that you applied so any other comments and c johnson in your hand is up but i think it's up from voting last time ok all right well we have a first in second on the consent agenda no more questions or comments please variable okay so next up is item ten and this is unique in that normally we don't take public comment on first readings but this is the budget and so we have two formal public hearings on the budget  in a minute here we will turn it over for i think a brief presentation and i again want to thank council there have been a ton of great questions that have come in and i think there was a rendition that went out later later this evening with some more answers and i think it might be helpful to make sure as we go forward that the public is able to see those maybe they are maybe they're not unlike what speaks but a lot of very thorough questions and i know that there may be some tonight and i would just ask counsel if you do have some this evening if you know the page number that you're referring to they'd be super helpful for for folks that are trying to follow on and then councilor bieda is the chair of the budget audit committee and normally they would be you know participating and they have been giving monthly updates and briefings during cove it and so they're actually going to be next monday as a group and there may be some some further questions come out after next monday prior to the very final adoption which i think is october twenty six so with that we will go into the presentation or actually know open the public hearing on item ten off no actually if you want to just introduce our cfo holly bjorklund that would be terrific or maybe i just said yes well we'll go with you ok everyone can see it tonight we're going to have the first hearing on te twenty twenty revised budget twenty twenty one proposed budget there was a study session discussion on september th in which the budget was discussed in length today we'll be covering th budget at a higher level if anyone would like to see the more detailed presentation they can see it on liquids the city of lakewood is experiencing unprecedented times d challenges and revenue for the capital fund as the general fund as the city infrastructure ages each year a larger percent of the revenue in the fund must be used for annual maintenance rather than the new this slide display how this all city funds are spent by department what is included in all departments orange section here is mayor council city mayors office city clark city attorney finance h r missile court and planning each individual departments and all others less than three percent of the total spending that's why they're all combined together department has a shaded area we talked about this the last time so for example here the shaded area is non personnel and the non shaded represents forty nine percent of the city's total spending sorry funding these revenues are critical for the funding of many city services such as police road maintenance facilities and support services the general fund also has an ongoing challenge of limited revenue growth due to tabor additionally as an established city the staff are evaluating and adjusting the financial lakewood is experiencing a flattening and potential decline of current revenue sources resulting from a number of factors including customer shifting to online shopping customers purchasing more untaxed services than tax goods lakewood becoming an established city and the city's relatively low sales tax rate lakewood is evaluate the current revenue sources and potential changes for the future to sustain the city's financial health while continuing to provide core services to the residents the challenge for an established  as lakewood is that it demands and needs for services continue to grow but there is not a corresponding growth in revenue for businesses or n so in order to explore and address these challenges i just mentioned the city is reviewing opportunities with the budget and audit board and lakewood city council to date a list of revenue and update sales tax code to be consistent with other governmental entities and that's what we're actually going to be discussing on october  is the intergovernmental this includes the state and federal funding and other includes buying forfeits and investment income as i just mentioned the two thousand and twenty one budget anticipates lower sales e sales and use tax revenue for two thousand and twenty one i expect to be sixty two percent you can see here in the blue of all general fund revenue property and charges for services ten percent these two or ten percent franchise fees and intergovernmental revenue five percent and all other eight percent this is projected projected decrease of eight percent in sales and use tax compared to the two thousand nineteen actuals additionally property tax has increased by twelve percent compared to the two thousand nineteen actuals as a percent of the whole two thousand and twenty budget sales and use tax was sixty three percent and property tax with nine percent in two thousand and nineteen actual property tax eight percent sales tax sixty one per august is showing ten percent decline compared to two thousand and nineteen as we discussed last time june and july was doing much better but now it's back down to ten percent last and the supercenter is down seventeen percent and last month it was down six percent restaurants are down sixteen percent they were down fourteen percent last month million gap that needs to be addressed there is expected to be a larger use of fund balance in two thousand and twenty of eight point two million so eight point two versus original forecast was six point the other colored sections you you will see are the reductions that were made to fill the gap between revenue and expenses this includes on to the general fund balance usage this is showing two thousand nineteen actual twenty twenty adopted budget the twenty twenty revised but not significantly more considering the seventeen million dollar gap that needs to be addressed as we discussed in the revenue side you can see the contribution to general fund for revenue starts to decline in tw flattening or decline you can see the contribution for twenty twenty four four point one million twenty twenty five two million these moneys represent the only significant new investment in the city the city will make twenty twenty one this slide shows what was historically refunded and what was fnd for tabor two for tabor go to public safety public works and community resources which makes up seventy five percent of the general fund budget we are transferring the funds over from the general fund to the tabor fund and they can be used for those three areas why is there a concern you would think it is only the other twenty five percent can't use the  funds do not pay for operation operating costs and can only be utilized for specific purposes can be used for park acquisitions which has dedicated funds of eight point five over here the remaining funds are split in thirds between parks police and transportation third that is four park two million dollars has been dedicated to police programs staffing and five point six million for police equipment and software the third for public works can be used on transportation sidewalks and outdoor lighting which is much more restrictive than all the services provided by public works when revenue exceeds the tabor limit and retained for tabor funding these funds are not available for the general fund operating budget they are only available for the purposes of justice cost which are mostly for supporting new investments versus supporting our current services so going back to why this is a concern although these are all worthy investments this fine does not assist in a fundamental problem that was discussed earlier with lakewood becoming established city and expecting a flattening or declining in revenue which there will be a continued increase in demand and needs for current services without an increase in funding another way to look at th is it is like lakewood is buying new cars with tabor funds but the funds to maintain the current cars and the new cars is not increasing additionally the seventeen million so what does it mean that the seventeen million dollar fine funding gap and the ratcheting down effect will compound concern first the reduction was taken out of the general fund for operations which reduces the amount available first supporting our existing services and assets second by having a lower tabor base even if the revenue returns it will take longer period time  dollars assumes that lakewood will start to hit the tabor limit for property tax even though all revenue is expected to be lower than the two thousand ninety base in our presentation in spending for the general fnd operations by almost seventeen million dollars for the two thousand and twenty budget and two thousand and twenty one budget we are receiving twenty nine point nine million dollars to would need to be partially maintained by reduced general fund budgets for operations this squeeze on funding for operations from the general fund will be an ongoing area to look at lakewood will continue to analyze and recommend solutions for addressing t list of questions that had come to us from the council and provided answers i won't be going through that in detail it's ten pages long and there's numerous questions that were asked and extensive answers that were provided however for tonight we'd be happy to answer any follow up questions you have or additional questions there is one thing that i wanted to mention that is not in the west which is a recommendation that came from  best she had recommended and i'm paraphrasing here she had recommended that for twenty twenty one lakewood reduce their contribution for the previous  managers pension fund due to thinking that the fund was overfunded or that you could you could reduce it for one year so i wanted to address that about currently the city contributes every year to this plan there is a certain amount that needs be contributed in total from the city to get to the level that the plan will be self sustaining and we won't need additional contributions each year to make the payouts so there are two approaches that said the city could take to make this contribution one is wetness faily is recommending of using the normal cost plus thirty year payoff you're not going to know what that means but what it basically means is the city would contribute for thirty years to give it a total contribution the city needs to give that pension plan the second option is the approach the city took which is to pay into the plan the recommend actuarial contribution contract fusion would not be enough so lee is recommending that we contribute seventy thousand we are if we continue on our current plan we contribute two hundred and thirty thousand  which would cover the cash payout so therefore the assets are currently growing that are currently grwing right now to get to the point  diminished if we start using the assets to pay the second challenge is that to thousands sorry the seventeen million reduction that were required on an expected to be two hundred thirty thousand which is twenty thousand less than that two thousand nineteen contribution so we would be contributing less than what wedid previously just based on the actuarial recommendation so i will we will go on with i believe i can speak it is watkins getting on mute it lrad is passed by resolution and we'll be heard on the twenty six and is i believe mister smith's presentation is informational only tonight no action of detail on it i've got two slides the first one is the alameda streetscape project you can see that in front of you we're looking towards the east you can see the city of denver downtown syline over there on the upper left hand portion of it but all of the green areas that you see along the median on the two sides of the street that's part of the alameda streetscape project we have sidewalks all the way from sheraton to car on both sides of the street from a very wide right away throughout alameda that we have put a lot of landscaping and medians and those sorts of things into and that project is wrapping up in two thousand and twenty and then we'll be all complete by the year's end then the other project that we've got if you would hit the button again very very popular folks are really is an avid when they see those that artwork but these are kinds of things that we put it as enhancements in there others bike racks and and some green space that's associated with that one and then there's some over on the wadsworth side these were two loans that were for both of those areas of the urban renewal and with that i will wrap it up and if you have any questions bieda those as we go forward thank you very much thank you eight five nine two webinar i d nine four zero zero three three nine zero seven five four press star nine speak star six two on mute i do not see anybody in the queue missiles are i'll wait here just real quick real quick to make sure yet i know that that's also on the screen we'll also mention if we can't get an answer for you tonight we'll make sure we continue to log those in that same format with bjorklund is that answer the question answer document is not available to the community or somewhere where the community can see think it'd be super helpful there's a lot of really great question is in there and again ten pages would also mentioned to online you can go and see the exact projects that those tabor dollars have gone to and so there's a  nice kind of breakdown in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty of the exact ones so going once going twice going three times on public comment still seeing none the ordinance to be published in the denver post with second public hearings or tobin's twenty motion and a second information on the website so that residents can look at exactly what program or what projects we completed with the tabor dollars i get questions about that all the time and so it's just so helpful so i really appreciate that just received information in response to a question that the slash facility is no longer in the proposed budget and a couple of things so you know of course i really understand te situation that our city is in and that we're facing due to budget cuts from covid nineteen  frankly about the long term economic status and how we're going to pay for all of these things moving forward services i still though believe that our community really cares about clean air and our natural environment and i know we we've all seen all these numbers of from our community citizens survey  how important this is to people seventy eight percent think quality of overall natural environment is important we've been getting e mails about this today from community members  and i was concerned during our sustainability meeting that we were behind on our goals and how are we going to catch up but then i fund out tonight that on top of that we're this current budget cuts that that wasn't i cannot find a place that is called out in the budget that that was going to be a change and so i just want to voice that i am  i gess frustrated that i this is something that's on our priority list it's important to our community we've been talking about this for six years  until i asked that direct question and that was not highlighted so i'm just so that's one thing but moving on from that i do have some additional follow questions because i just want to understand and kind of process what this means so mike my questions are basically you know and the answer that we got back it says it's cut but we're still going to work on it and so i just want to understand that a little bit and what that means i'm not sure who to direct that question to you so so this is about sustainability is one of your council goals and that is something that we continue trying to find a site it looks like we're making a little headway with another partner and that would be the county we've just gotten an update today that looks more positive than we had thought when it hit quite honestly our agency and several other agencies just put those conversations on hold and now we're hearing that that's another potential opportunity again so that's that's very good news i personally am working on a slash site whether it is in partnership with the county or at another separate location in the city that's ben our challenge to date which is really hard to find a location because of the nature of slash facilities so you know the money that was set aside in the capital improvement program was just that there really wasn't relevant to any particular expenditures because we didn't have a location so even though the money's gone that doesn't make the priority as trying to find a site for the facility it doesn't make that go away my hope is we'll be able to land on something soon that's that's our hope because it has been a long term a long term endeavor with several key stakeholders in our organization trying to solve this particular problem so even though it's not in the budget if if and when we're able to find a site or make a deal on a partnership that will come back to you and either way it would have taken council action so you'll hear about it if and when we ever are able to kind of land this thing i do have i honestly the budget there were dollars allocated it would have required staff action but we would have already had those dollars set aside whereas now we don't and so where's that money going to come from i take it from the reserves or right so we we don't we don't know what those costs are going to be if we're lucky will have it funded elsewhere say through a partner agency or through at public private endeavor so like i said the money that was budgeted and set aside wasn't wasn't relevant to any specific project it was set aside so once we have some kind partnership or some kind of go forward that'll come to you and the are all kinds of options we can use we can finance it if we can you all can make the decision to fund it through your reserves or whatever and like i said we don't know what that amount might be but we'll certainly concern to me just because this already has we already face significant barriers even when we had the funding already in the budget which was  and years ago and then now to have no money behind it it's it just creates a much bigger barrier  when we're already cutting funds and losing money i do appreciate that the state that we're in but i just given how long this project has been in place and and how long we've all been working on it i just i'm i'm not sure yet what we should do but i i i'm not thrilled about this plan i guess and i just also feel like at this point we really in the middle of having these conversations about our budget this year and then as we move into planning for our next year and all the years after that how how are w going to fund our sustainability goals and if we want to have clean air i mean the two things that you're the most from residents right now are about cove it of course and about clean air i mean we've all been breathing smoke our eyes are red and people with asthma which i happen to have asthma and kids i mean it's it's on everybody's mind this is a concern in our community and i just want to have real honest hard conversations about how are we going to still accomplish our goals in the middle of all  and so i just you know i don't know if at this point the answer is to propose an amendment i don't know but this is a concern and i just found out about it so i'm still trying to figure this out one other question i have is just about what other capital improvement projects were cut and maybe yeah just what other types of projects were cut comment one thing that you can look at is the revenue opportunities that we're bringing forward looking at those to specifically fund something that your interested in and also keeping in mind that the question about capital projects in there the changes that have occurred in the budget one of the things we can do before your next meeting on this topic is give you a comprehensive list i'm not sure i can comprehensive right now but i can certainly touch on several that have been affected in addition to the slash facility funding you may remember that there was a shared use paths sidewalk program that was an ongoing program budget five hundred thousand dollars per year those out years beyond twenty twenty one i'm sorry but beyond two thousand and twenty i believe it was our now gone there's not the ongoing funding that we had after year after year on that particular program another example is the what was the public art program there was a capital improvement fund contribution to purchasing public art and that program also is ending and there's there's some similarities between these particular programs and that is that these were all of these had funding for a goal but not specific uses identified yet and that's the consistent theme what has been fun d is is the legal obligations that the city has and that's been funded by the cia the maintenance and replacement programs are continued in the cia and then the discrete already completely defined projects are still funded in the cia so as an example there are some sidewalks that have already been identified the locations are identified what street they're on what their limits are those are still funded in the if those were to have been approved in earlier discussions by the city council and that's really kind of the dividing line of what we were able to do a year go this process actually started because prior to the budget adopted a year ago there was also money the out years anticipating matching transportation grants that that set aside for transportation grant match was not shown in last year's budget but it had been in previous budgets for the last three years of the capital improvement program so as the chief financial officer mentioned earlier this is not a new trend but it's one that's been accelerated by cove and has certainly certainly come home to roost at this point but as i said when i started we will put together a comprehensive list of those changes from a couple extra questions just so the shared use path program is that the program where when we were resurfacing street plan to the extent we can using that resurfacing program is the most efficient financially by far and we made a fair amount of progress on that that program  time is that they made a allocation from the reserves to fund this program but i'm not sure if that is accurate does anyone know i'm the one that's a tip my recommendation would be that we verify that i'm not sure my memory is going to be good enough i certainly was a part of that and we did a big draw down during those years because i think we over thirty five million in reserves and i want to say we took out maybe ten million for different things and that could have been one of them i'm not sure so we better get the correct information out there would it be possible thank you one question i had is this we get the slide show emailed to us later the one that i am not sure if this is the same flight that's on the website already we had this presentation on the budget out great yeah i think i had some similar questions and i guess concerns to sort of what counts are got one mentioned about the slash facility and i think it brings up an interesting point i think it is it would be good to take a look at our processes and the way that we do the budget have a little bit more clarity and perspective about what the changes are obviously we have the budget we look through  it i remember talking councilman go on about this large facility and i was perusing through looking for it in there and i think might be a little easier if we have a little bit more clarity in the future like a list or something like that because it's obviously it's difficult to peruse a five hundred page document to find what changes may may not have happened one question i had and obviously if any of these things can't be answered certainly you can get back to me i wasn't able to get some of these things in over the weekend but about ftd we're not having any changes is that correct really of ftd we obviously have positions aren't going to be filled if we don't have the revenue for it but we're not actually changing unfunded ok got it ok i want to make sure i was clear on that and then on capital improvements i believe it's my understanding we're not adding any new capital improvement projects i know we just talked about the cutting but are reacting any thing that's different or new for this year the only thing we're adding is tabor projects ok great let's see and then obviously i know you were all budget already contemplate what happens with that revenue other than i assume if we have those open fte positions that money just gets put into the general fund and then gets divided those fte uses up the current thinking so w that into the expected revenue for the twenty twenty one budget right that if it hadn't if we had an accounting for it we would have to cut more than seventeen million do you know how much that amount is for the haven't had a little bit more conversation about you know how how we would want to look at utilizing those funds obviously i understand this is a difficult time and we're trying to find every opportunity to make sure that you know the bills and the lights stay on but i just want to mention that i think that's another one of those areas where i don't feel like there was good communication or there wasn't a whole lot of conversation  about how we're going to move forward as it relates to to that particular expense and then obviously recreational marijuana that's on the ballot this election that's coming up in a couple more the budget doesn't contemplate any type of revenue from that does it i assume not i didn't see it in thre yeah we did not include it because we didn't know if it was ok well i think i should know i think if it does pass i think we should have a discussion about that as well whether or not a lie should be going into reserves or helping backfill some of these projects or anything like that  yeah i do similarly with the slash project i think this is sort of that process issue again you know i think my question is is it whether or not there is a decision point or or an inflection point or any opportunity for council to weigh in on sort o what the values of the council might have been obviously we made sustainability a priority we made homelessness a priority we've made numerous things a priority for the year and we know  that cove in session and all sorts of other things have had a giant impact but i think you know there might have been other opportunities and might in other projects or things that council might have wanted to weigh against making any changes to the slash facility funding and you know i would i would want to take a look at putting that back in as well or you know looking at a resolution or something to get that back in  and a line item that way we know that it is a priority our residents can feel confident that we're doing everything we can to make sure that sustainability continues to be a priority and then let's  think that's all i have hi so i just had a question regarding what you said about what timber funds can cover and you said that they could cover police technology cover that kind of new technology or what part of our budget is covering it if if not  to manage that look at the video make sure the cameras are working et cetera so that has to come from our existing budget today and as you know we don't have a lot of extra to be able to get that in so that's where the challenges so so if we save money in lawsuits against the city is there any accounting for what we're saving versus what we're putting out in terms of obtaining that technology so we wouldn't know until we actually experience moral document and that it is it reflects our values such as sustained ability you know we were cutting a flash shared use paths that's about the most inclusive thing we have in one of the most inclusive expenses we have in this city and along that line i'd like to suggest cold facts could couple of go i had an answer about eight hundred thousand dollars that's being spent for tennis court replacements over at lakewood park last summer we spent two hundred thousand on to replace two of them and we have done a really good job maintaining noticed court as as was pointed out a couple of weeks ago and four years to go four or five we spent nearly ninety thousand dollars resurfacing all those court the upshot is though that the vendor charges eight bucks per court per hour and there are a number of schools elementary and junior middle schools in that area that have pass about half or more of their student population on free and reduced lunches those kids cannot afford eight dollars an hour to play tennis and a lot of them would like to play tennis and all of these schools are with an easy bike ride of the park the there is a provision for free use of the tennis courts t courts i believe are available for two out four hours a week on monday afternoon and sunday after that is if the aren't already occupied by people using them or at see and i've heard that sometimes folks have gone to claim their free hours and the staff is not aware of the free hours of the free program so eight hundred thousand dollars that could be spent on these things later book could be spent this year and more responsive way is more inclusive ways added to  the shared use paths use it for a slash facility there are a lot of ways that we could be more inclusive with that money and in these days we need to get the biggest bang out of our dollars and i just think that because those courts are used primarily by folks  we could find a much more inclusive use for the nearly million dollars we're gonna spend this year on those courts and i think certainly with the preventive maintenance we've ad we could put that but this court replacement off for a while and if nothing else but you know i just believe that way these courts are handled it is anything but inclusive all right thank you sir kelso johnson your hand is up and then i have a few comments thank you holly i really appreciate the document did she prepared with all of the answer it's nicely done on the very last page in response to a question on tabor it was talking about one third of the money for police can be used for assets and that's cameras that's awesome and personnel and i would just like to say that it's an unsteady funding sream and just to use caution when you're hiring personnel because when you're the money may be a higher amount in the next year that's all i have to say thank you so i want to touch on a couple things just real quick and and miss bjorklund one thing you did talk about the new car model which i certainly understand right if we're out utilizing these dollars and we don't have the backfill of maintenance but we also don't have to spend those dollars either they can still continue to sit there you know beyond the expiration so i want to keep that in mind too i know we have needed things that we have to take care of however those dollars can sit in separate fund for a long time and potentially the oen space dollars are going to have to sit there for a long time i think we've had that conversation of some challenges with finding areas to purchase so just want to mention that while what we certainly understand the dilemma is something we're going to have to confront but we can also look in the future maybe keeping them held back until we have some sort of recovery the second thing i want to talk about just in general of all our priorities they are listed line by line in the budget and not every priority that we have has a line item with always next to it so as somebody that was one of the original proponents of slash probably helped to get that to where it was i also understand that we're in the middle of one of the worst financial crisis as we've ever had and if it makes people feel good to say that there's one point five million dollars sitting there for something that we may not even need one point five million dollars for right we may be able to get it for free i think that that's prudent of us utilizing city dollars to ensure that we are providing highest level services with the resources that we have you know whether that fifty one point five million was there or not that still would have had to come back to council for a conversation and a vote if we were going to acquire land or if we were going to get into a lease purchase so i think that we continue to have our priorities listed in the budget and i certainly think that a slash facility is of utmost importance and i do know that we are working on that and just because transferred that doesn't necessarily mean by any means and you heard the city manager say she is personally working on this that we won't get to a spot where we find this in fact there was a conversation just a couple of weeks ago that might allow for the city to participate with somebody else paying for it in the city of lakewood so those things are out there i just want to make sure council remembers that and frankly sorry councilor franks frankly you know we had six really great items that tie into all of our concerns about infrastructure copd like we've had more budget meetings this year than we've ever had with updates and with talking about copd and so you know to say what are those dollars i wish i knew better i felt like maybe we are trying to have those earlier and if you really want to talk about copd i mean that's a larger commerce's asian about municipal funding that could really go a long way to have this council look at priorities ten fifteen twenty thirty years out those are the tools are there for us but right now we're triaging we're trying to stop the bleeding every which way we can and so i think it is worth this council we're gonna have to have some tough conversations a a check or a retreat to really look at our priorities we have a lot of priorities that are very important but as this year has shown we are so far behind just because we're trying to make cuts of epic proportions and luckily we've had strong reserves to get through so you know i value everything that  i certainly know this issue with tennis courts goes a long way back and there have been some concerns i do think it's contractually part of part of a deal that is in there and  can certainly get more background i know there was some of that in there as well but tom all in all i think with what we've had to do and in the scrambling i'm proud of this council i'm proud of the team that put fort this budget with the most challenging one that we've ever faced and if you still look at our reserves they're still super strong and we're going to be building back up within two years so i think that that goes a long way as as well team has done this year council and our financial team and in handling this crisis that we're in and i think that they've done an outstanding job juggling things around and moving things around to get us where we're at i think the numbers speak for themselves when you really look at where we're at the financial imact on us has really been fairly minimal and that's partly because of our reserves it's partly because of our ability to tighten our belt when we needed to and the other reason is because we had tightened our belt last year before we anybody even heard of colgan ninety we already were in a very thank you counselor in your hand is still up the field just help me manually because i don't have any other questions or comments and we do have a motion and the second is that accurate it's been a while accurate ok all right so we have a motion in a second and this was a continuation to october twenty six where we'll have the the second and final reading is of the twenty twenty twenty twenty one revised so barring any other questions or comments please cast your  okay and that passes ten i's one day the name being councilor and the beer thank you ok ok anything else we'll go to reporter and i'll start in ward one we'll work our way up to five mi legislation in trying to look with the best interest is for all of the cities and ben and i attended in with an eye on what is in the best interests lakewood as well so it's going to be an interesting session of course a lot depends on the election thank you morris park as one of their sustainability projects had i believe it was fifty trees for five years or one hundred trees for five years and it was a very very successful they got the community involved in it so if any groups out there would like to reach out to i'm sure they would be happy to let you know how to replicate that within your own ward or even your own group but like i said was very successful in a lot more trees planted thank yeah so this month we're having our annual two critics meeting we're having our oak park meeting later in the month and wednesday we are having our or two meetings so a lot of stuff going on busy month but we're excited for fall and excited to have some cooler weather come in i just want to mention the denver regional council governments we did a review of the director he's done a really great job the process is  pretty extensive it's pretty detailed they've had years of trend analysis of good leadership at the denver regional council government's and happy to happy to get through that process over there and give you all the update that we like what we're seeing doctor colleague and hope the the positive things continue so thanks yeah thank you for that and i forgot if you are on any committees and you wish to give a community update during these reports i'd be fantastic  ready so just wanted to report on my ongoing report regarding ketamine that i talked to the producer of sixty minutes again this week and she who is sort of famous person now who was affected by ketamine is going to appear on the doctor oz show and so i just continue to encourage council to weigh in on stopping the use of ketamine aurora city council has done to save lives beyond that i i wanted to cut i wouldn't normally bring this up in reports but it was brought up by the mayor at the last council meeting and so i wanted to address it because it's come up this week again  the mayor had publicly announced my july th request for an investigation of city leadership for harassment and discrimination the city attorney had informed me  late july that he had chosen an allegedly quote unquote independent investigator for my request and i had responded to him in writing that i would not that because he had chosen the investigator when h's part of city leadership and was one of the subjects of the investigation and i would note that the city attorney did tender his letter of resignation three days later although i had explained at the last council meeting that i was requesting help from state and federal authorities to help make the investigation unbiased the city leadership continues to harass me by informing me this week that they are moving forward with this investigation and this investigator chosen by mister cox i would submit that this  illegal according to the city charter as the city attorney cannot choose the investigator if he is a subject of the complaint so therefore it appears that the city attorney may be withholding some legal advice that he should be giving to council regarding violation of the city charter and that leaders the city leadership generally continuing to harass me further by attempting to force a rigged investigation and i just want to publicly object to that i expect that this investigation will be reviewed by state and federal authorities at some point without further victimizing the complainant complainant and again i wouldn't bring this up if it hadn't been brought up specifically last week but i wanted to but i think they've right they tried to bring the property into compliance and that's a big step in the right direction so i want to thank them for all their efforts and hard work higher number of community outreach emails and phone calls and the quality and the timeliness of staff's responses taking care of those is just really appreciated inside just wanted to make sure now i certainly do send those kudos to the city manager and the department head directly but certainly wanted the community to know that when they're thanking me for the quick and efficient responses those are really most th time coming from us staff certainly wanted to send out those things the second thing and i may need the city manager to see if i'm correct on this but i thought i saw a post yesterday where the upcoming drive through vaccine and dog license clinic which was scheduled for october th has been canceled so i just want to i saw that and i looked on the city website and it says the event is canceled but if someone can just make sure that we just want to make sure the public does not go to to that if it's not available and the last we wanted to give an update from the housing policy commission we met at the end of september and our work topic at this point is short term rentals and the goal of that meeting was to go through a form that had been prepared really as a way to guide us through the upcoming discussion and make sure all the topics that we feel are relevant are put into order for discussion so i know people said well what's this forum going to be used for it's really just to help guide the meeting help me make sure that we don't miss any important topics it is not written in stone meaning it's a document that's living if we identify additional topics we certainly will cover those and currently robert smith who is our staff liaison is doing the outreach to all the commissioners to see when we can have our next meeting obviously this time of year a lot of things going on with folks schedule so as soon as that meeting is set we will have that posted on the city website in the appropriate  to the community watching and as the chairman of the city attorney recruitment committee i don't normally give a lot updates on that committee just out of respect for mister cox who's sitting with us if you want updates to that you can message me personally or we do have that on the website you can see the city minutes or the minutes from those meetings let me make clear that his resignation is in no to any investigation and i know that because of the timing of how the recruitment process has come to be and it had zero to do with the investigation it had more to do with the fact that the job posting and the timing of that posting there at some point will be a hands off from mister cox's firm and his service to the new city attorney whoever that person may be so let me i'll state one more time because this is critical two i think the integrity of our city council to just ma clear there is no connection between the resignation of mister cox and the investigation that is being handled pursuant to i believe it section six points something of  our harassment policy that we put into place this body so there is a lot to unpack about how that investigation is supposed to move forward and we think that's appropriate right now and in and reports but as the chairman of that committee i think it's important that i just make clear that there any insinuation that mister cox is resigning because of some investigation is patently false onto a lighter topic if you're in the neighborhood of green mountain you can stop by the rec center and you can drop off a ballot so if anyone didn't know that you could vote at green mountain rec center please stop we have plenty of amenities here in green mountain but right now probably the most important and best one is that voting blocks right up front you and i also just wanted to briefly address a piece of information about investigations and the reason why is because i was actually one of the people  that raised the issue and really wanted to ensure that we had a sexual harassment and workplace harassment policy and so i just want to make sure and and of course all of council did vote on it so but i just wanted to to address something that it the policies and procedures manual is available online on our city council's page the relevant section is six point two and i just wanted to say that you know at the time what we thought was the most fair process was that if there is if any receiving officer gets a complaint they must initiate a prompt this process and so i just wanted to make clear to any to  listening to this that that's what the laguage in the policy says is that the investigation must occur if there is a complaint and then a second thing is that it does lay out the process of how this and so that is all and are all in the policies and procedures manual which is available online and i just wanted to clarify that  but if information then also on a lighter well actually it's not really a lighter note but we're having a mental health conversation and suicide prevention with all of you i don't if anyone would like to join that would be great what what we're going to have is jeffco mental health is presenting information about how to look out for signs in community members or neighbors or friends or whoever that are troubling signs and then what to do it's a training program and we've heard great things about this program so very excited about that and just again just to shout out to our resident james mace who really sparked this conversation because h h experienced the loss of a friend due to suicide and he really wanted to help prevent other people from losing you know just kind of experiencing what he did and screen kind of blocks is i mean you don't have a comment i'll just say staff is wonderful no comment thank you yeah sorry to maybe sound a little bit redundant but my my residents get pretty upset if i don't address things like get out and and start to linger a little bit so i just want to comment a little bit about the  city attorney is in a difficult position in that i think we would probably be upset if allegations of harassment discrimination were not addressed and but it also sounds like we're equally frustrated perhaps that city council or that city attorney's office is following up on allegations of harassment and discrimination and i don't have a perfect answer here and i don't want to i know we're all anxious to  off the meeting and go on with the day i just want to bring it up i think our city attorney is doing the best job you can to try to follow the policies and procedures that we created and this is as far between councilor if that but i don't know all the allegations that are out there so i might be wrong i see somebody shaking their head but it's my understanding is the first time it's been executed so i don't know that we're gonna get it  right i'm open to hearing more sounds like there were somebody brought up some things about the charter and all that i'd love to learn more and there needs to be improvements on our policies i think that's something we should look at but i do think it is on coun me put the blame on council i'm happy to to work to be the solution let me know how i can help okay so i appreciate everything that's been said and i would just echo one thing and certainly it goes without repeating mister cox's served in this capacity as an honorable man and an honorable public servant and to make an allegation like that's just not fair it's not professional as this whole council knows the city lakewood is one of the last cities that has a hybrid model where we have a city attorney that works at a firm and also acts as our city attorney and the decision was made that we felt that the city needed to change that model and go with a full time in house city attorney and m fair allegation and i would just reference six point two in our policies and procedures that was initiated by councilor springsteen there's nothing that allows you to not un instigate that or initiate that especially after you've made public allegations of this and this council takes this very seriously as do i who is the subject one of the subjects of this the community needs to know that there has been an investigation and they need to know what the outcome of that investigation is and your colleagues on council have also asked for an outcome of that investigation which will be handled by a third party outside of anybody other than i think  peterson in our employee relations so we're doing this by the book we're doing it to the letter of the law that is six point two and if counsel wants to reexamine that or discuss charter changes or things along those lines that's certainly acceptable but you know this is very serious very serious allegations in the community deserves to have an investigation to answer and so that's what we'll continue to take place absent  anybody else's direction according to six point two which was referenced by the complaint i wanted to just direct counsel as we continue in this electronic world there's gonna be a lot of resources on the city's youtube channel that talk about different programs different agencies that can really probably be helpful to you in your ward meetings that could spur conversation with the community i know there was one that was just put up on the community action team or i'm sorry on the homeless navigators and i think there may be one coming on the community action team so it's hard for us to  meet as you know we forty seven vacant positions and so we are stretched pretty thin but we're trying to utilize the resources we have that might be beneficial to you and your community members so it's just if you just go to youtube and google city of lakewood colorado you'll get right to our channel and that actually has all of our meetings as well and all the different meetings that are really good resource as we move forward mayor yeah i'm sorry i'm sorry we have over sixty unfilled so you know and yeah thank you thank you for that over sixty seven positions mega pro tem said you know get your voting in in lakewood your drop off boxes are green mountain rec center jeff go public health at six four five parfitt lakewood city hall lakewood library on west th the lakewood link rec center on one two nine five s read ray ross par rocks community college so i mean think of how far we've come in a couple of years there used to only be one drop box and all of the city of lakewood and now there's six six or seven you can go to the jeff go clark to find all those it's safe and secure it's convenient and you can also track your ballot so being at city hall i've seen traffic even today was amazing to see how many people were out dropping off their ballots then i think it's important for us to be ambassador to the community that this is a safe process and a secure process most important it is a very important process and then i'm going to send something to all the council there is a email that's being circulated about seniors that are in need of having food delivered and you can actually search by zip code and so i will send that out and i'll actually get it to hodson in the communications team they're looking for volunteers to try to help get that food out and so that'll be a nice tool that you can utilize via a zip code checker so that's all that i have we have a study session next week and a budget  meeting the study session will be in regards to homelessness and hunger so certainly quite relevant to where we're at right now in dealing with these difficult things and so with that i don't know if the clerks office this point but i do want to clarify a couple of points the policy which was cited in the original complaint six point two explains that these that the investigator is to be paid by the city and selected by the city attorney and the h r director at the time that we appointed that individual for this role there had been no allegation that i was aware of that of the city attorney's office was in any way implicated in the alleged harassment and discrimination i would not have participated in the selection of the investigator had i had any reason to believe that i was going to be subject to that investigation they manage or control of that has now been turned over to h r director corey peterson but again this is the first time i've heard anything expressly indicating that i'm a subject of any investigation or or desire mister goldstein i would only add one thing on it on a different topic about our meeting next week we are going to have people from the county to address the regional regional homelessness efforts and then will you'll talk just to us about lakewood homeless business efforts and as it relates to that navigator video i think it's only three minutes long or maybe three ad a half and i will be showing that so that you can view it during the meeting and of course if you want grab it and show it to constituents at ward meetings or whatever you're more than welcome to do that so i'm trying to work out the technology so i can figure out how to run that during our meeting because it's only a few minutes and it really it really gives you an up close and personal experience with the two new navigators that we have on board so  you i would just go because i know many of you are hearing from your constituents because i've certainly carpenter part of it the increase in homelessness is a challenge and it's more evident than ever it's more visible than ever and unfortunately with the weather getting cold and the situations with cold weather sheltering it's going to be very hard so i spoke with a very frustrated lady today just we just got to continue to try to work work through this the community action team is working really really hard on these different things but there's no easy answers and i'm afraid we're just going to see things probably be more challenging before they are better going into the winter but i know that's a top of mind for a lot of folks on this council and i appreciate everybody's care and concern on that so with that if there's anything else for the good of the whole we will adjourn the council meeting at nine thirty p m i want to thank you all very much