as well as indonesians from the canada world youth group who recently finished the ny mo part of their program they've now left for indonesia and are about to begin their work there but before they left on december thirtieth two participants and two supervisors talked with marjorie stewart here's their conversation we have with us to day and imo participants and i counted  to thank you good to be here from indonesia we also have one of the participants in the project jenny rianna we know yes correctly thank you and from canada caitlin would welcome came into hi thank you so we're going to go directly to simon first because this is a canadian project supervised at the top by a canadian a national non governmental organization so first off  canada world youth is an experience sure educational program so it takes young people and gives them a very challenging and powerful learning experience not through being in the classroom by through being in local communities having a volunteer work placement living with someone from another country in a host family and doing that in two phases one in a canadian community that's different in their own than a community abroad and programs are usually done with groups the group in imo is quite typical and it's twenty people so eighteen youth nine from across canada and one from across indonesia and then two supervisors one from each country i particularly like that format because i've seen it before my middle child was a participant in the columbia exchange about twenty years ago and some twenty to twenty five years ago i was active with the then executive director of the b c and candidate were the british columbia council for international cooperation so i learned a lot about how canada where old youth where and because i work a lot with a fair trade society we had a special relationship for several years with canada world youth and we would nominate people from and imo to go to the interviews and you participants will know that that means a big deal because you get past the first screening that way and the one thing i remember from those days i thought it was just brilliant for part of the selection process the participants in my daughter's group were taken into a large kitchen and told to prepare a lunch with some very unusual looking products on the table in front of them so i'd like to ask the participants here they're what they remember about being screened being interviewed how they were chosen to participate starting with jenny oh well it was really really hard time for about the world about the heart the show in the world so it was a big time for me to prepare myself to go to the selection and to go to canada and south is really wonderful for me pretty exciting to be selected yes for sure more than seventy people compete at the time to go to canada with the earth than among the seventy people i was choosing so at the time they announce the result i were standing in the front of a fetus so i say to my friend i don't want to see that you go to see i don't think i will be choosing but finally my friends w application process was different for canadians than for indonesians i think is quite a bit harder for indonesians as a canadian applying to canada worldview i didn't actually expect the level of integration into the community that there has been and just the activities that we've been doing i didn't expected like it's exceeded my expectations so i feel really honored to be we working next to the indonesians who have been and picked from angst of these different people in the provinces and yeah it was quite a bit easier for the comedians i think he's being relatively modest there don't you he probably had some characteristics that led to his selection simon yes but you should know that the selection process has changed a lot since even when i was a participant ten years ago in part of that is just it takes a lot of people resources to run their selection days and as budgets were reduced and stuff some of that stuff actually isn't being done anymore they look for people basically who are committed and responsible and have good attitude positive attitude so they go through an online application and interview and then they have to get all their forms and in time their medical exam information and all that so it's kind of just about showing that commitment more than anything and from the beginning of canada world youth accessibility has always been at the forefront of the recruitment process but is very different than the process or indonesian friends go through because it does seem relatively easy in comparison being on the program though of course is it's a lot of fun but it's not easy that's for sure say when did you first meet your participants here intonation participants or indonesian side the participants represent all of indonesian provinces or thirty four of them some provinces even send to  including from my province there are two participants being sent from there so i already met them because i was in the selection committee also in my province we have an alum near susi ition which i am also a member of because i participated fifteen years ago so we had a selection and then two out of almost one hundred people going through the selection were sent to jakarta that was the first time i met the two from  during those ten days i get to know many of them because it was really tense trainings and we get to know many of them that we didn't know before because they were under pressure and all the sessions and the dance practices cetera after almost three months in canada with this group i get to know them a lot more because we get along so well that we're like family here that's what i think and also because this is foreign country where everyone is far away from home this is the only family we have so this is a really good experience also for us i particularly like that aspect of the program because there are many many international cultural exchange some privately organized some organized by societies and usually they send one upper middle class person from one country into an identical upper middle class home in another country and very little real cultural exchange can take place so there's a bit of disorientation about that and i'm remembering the issue of being able to express your culture to wherever you are and not only to learn about a different culture you know indonesian culture but also to learn what canadian culture actually is because it's hard to tell because canada is such a diverse country i'm really curious to see how it's going to go on in so what are you going to present as your cultural information about canada well having lived in compact for thirteen years i'm probably going to give my host family some people threw up and there are probably lots of conversations about french culture in canada and english culture and care and how they get along that's kind of my background in canada and jenny what are you going to present as part of indonesia's culture in the absolute awesome like you will see the friendship the evil seed in your family and i will hear one of the questions that comes up with such a project is you know have at least one new set of parents don't you and then imo you have people that you two in the place of your parents here and there will be parents in nature so at the end of this you're going to end up with three sets of parents at the same time you're learning to get on with rescue counterpart me ease from kept back so did they tell you at the beginning that they can't promise that every one of these relationships will be perfect i was being so far culture shock is you you have to promise me that you will understand me every time we will got a problem just remember to this promise we try to do the elise it always helps if you lay down some special purposes ahead of time doesn't it it gives you something to cling to when you're having a hard time so let me ask you you wouldn't know about some of the things that you've been doing and imo some of the places where the participants have been working and i understand you've been working quite a few of our nonprofit societies here and i'm going to hand it over to simon to tell us where they've been and what they've been doing a big part of the program is volunteer work experience and generally we partner with non profits some exceptions and in and imo it's where i'm from so it was pretty neat for me to connect with organization some i knew beforehand and some had known of but didn't ever get involved with so we have quite a list we worked with  share nolt vancouver island university students union radio mouse being a society q one is village city cycles community co op and i'm a brain injury society crimson cause dance aside the seven ten club farm ship growers cooperative out and you know appoint loaves and fishes food bank and and i'm most women center so quite a range there and most of the placements were to youth on two years at each of them the farm shop actually had four but that lasted just until people could handle the cold weather they did really well there but the weather did get to them at the end and we moved them into the food bank and the radio station in different places where they wouldn't freeze for the last two weeks or so was cooking and in all i was planting so i kicking and the last time we went there we went to another school and we like directly give a surface what his kids like have their shirts on right now and i was also working in and i'm a brain injury society so we're doing bicycle repair or retail or a bit of everything cycle place we were doing mainly two things number one we were working were volunteering john various be high school so there's kind of a bike club there so kids could come in and we would help them fix their bike and if they came in a certain amount times maybe like five times so this over the course of five weeks then they get a bike free bike and also at the head thirty cycles shop in china steps we were just fixing people's bikes not customers bikes but donated bikes so that people donate bikes and we fix them up and then they'll be sold sounds like pretty full program so i'm guessing that there are some plans for when they get into an issue i'm guessing also that  would be able to tell us about those yes margery in nature we will be placed in a small island no more than one kilometer in length and only three hundred metres in with but there are almost six thousand people living on that island the island is located some two hours of bush tried to the north of the capital region and we will stay there for about nine weeks there they will also be placed in host families which we already have a list of and being placed in work placements just like this but we have very limited work placements in such a small island there will be people working in schools and in government offices helping with arranging the archives or maybe helping out with the blogs on the internet we will also be working with a national park working with mangro maybe it will be different limited but no less exciting thank you so did you know that twenty fifteen minutes united nations here of soil those of us who live in canada when we talk to our municipal governments about soil it seems that they think so i listen nuisance but what would you have planted in if there wasn't so oil there and where does the soil come from and how long does it take to create it and how quickly can it be destroyed is my question for you to think about now that you've been doing some planting of your own and planning some planting in the future so that was one thing that struck me it's really interesting that you're having these very practical experiences that we may need a lot sooner than we thought so my next question is about your project your event which i believe is happening this evening so who's going to start tough telling us about that and tonight's which is december thirtieth the group will be hosting  a free workshop and it's called hit job one hundred one and there's a workshop led by the indonesian women of the group are some of them the ones who use the job which is islamic head scarf or covering also covers the chest area and the women decided to do this because well came out of a discussion we had about well what can we offer and imo that's unique unique about our group him with all our group multi faith multi cultural and most of the indonesian participants are her muslim and then i was not that experienced with seen women wherein he jab so we thought this is something we can share so the women he used his job in the group are going to be leading the ideas to share experiences perspectives and the basics that's why we have the one on one in the title because we are realising here often people just have no familiarity are almost none so they're going to get into things as simple as how do you put it on when do you put it on when do you not have a on why of course and also a bit of fashion because it is also primarily it's a religious thing but more and more it's becoming there's a fashion element so they're going to get into that a little bit as well and also things a discussion around sort of women's rights and gender equality stuff because i think it's a little bit in annoying or frustrating when they encounter people unfamiliar with islam wear the hijab and the soon the women are forced into it and are have their freedom restricted when the women have their own voice and their own rationale and reasons and they know there's a lot of different situations out there in the world it varies by community it varies by family and yeah that's basically what it is so it's going to be very interesting i think different from and i'm awesome i'm excited about it perhaps you should explain the difference between they had job and then they kept to people sure i guess i find myself as sort of a cultural ambassador to something that's fairly new to me but i've been in that position before working in ukraine and being asked to speak of holidays that are not from my own background so yeah the niqab is a full face veil or cover so there would be that he job and then i believe it's another piece that will cover the woman's face as well and i know that the women have included a little part of the workshop about that in our group in an indonesian for the most part you don't see the need cab too much but i should just as a point of reference indonesia has the large muslim population in the world of upwards of two hundred fifty million and that's another thing that the group kind of wants to dispel is a breaking stereotypes or barriers some people have a hard time separating sort of arab world and islam in theirs they're very together but islam is much broader than just the middle east so i think that just the presence of the indonesians in and i was kind of challenged people's assumptions about who is muslim what a muslim person may look like will really a political thing and we will answer based on what we know but we will not go for it again the aim of this event is just to break barriers and to share the thinking of the people who are actually wearing it imagining canadians would only know it from the news and etc these are the views from what from the people who are actually living it we will not avoid the question we will answer what we know but we will again pull the focus not on that but on the more practical daily lives of the people sounds good i'm playing devil's advocate here do you understand that phrase so what i'm community in the world with our almost three hundred million around almost two hundred fifty million of us are muslim but that does not make the country an islamic state we have over two hundred and fifty cultures with more than three hundred different and i mean really different languages where that they versed and we are all located in eighteen thousand islands in my province alone in my local to the eastern part of an easier there are seventeen hundred islands just one province so we are really diverse country the fact that it's a muslim majority does not make it a muslim country there are some people who agree for  to make the indonesian islamic state country but knowing the fact that we are diverse it's never happened in the history and the fact that the isis is the islamic state now is is really a big concern there are many muslim militia who are moderates and we realize we really do realize that indonesia is a country and the ne indonesian mission is the whole thing not east i was born in alberta but i really only spent four years of my life there in my childhood when i moved to compact stayed there for about thirteen years now i'm in ottawa and yet there's a different atmosphere here it's one that i like but yet definitely different two of those differences that you've noticed share coming from ottawa there's a lot of bureaucrats walking around and it's a little bit more tense and i've noticed that being in b c people kind of you know they stop and they say hi and people are generally a little bit more i'm going to find yes and then you'll find really friendly people or when you get to indonesia which will be quite a different experience for you what are some of the things that have surprised  very like very big city so very crowded to any four hours leaving only really very noisy everywhere like people will be very cool you just walk by an prison i use the way that bit the most surprising thing is when i come in here people are always smiling like in the christmas day i walk in the street and i just say my christmas to everyone and they said you know we're really really like replay me merry christmas have a good day like i think canadian people will be very cool like just thinking about themself but it's not happen like they are very humble very receiving people i do love it it's interesting how things are always different  from what you expected i met a young woman from pakistan some years ago and she said when she got off the plane she expected cars to be crashing and guns to be paying because she she was thinking about things that she'd seen on television and actually a lot of our turn certain canada there are only thirty million of us you know altogether in the whole country and it's the biggest and we still the biggest country in the world the second biggest yes so there are lots of small communities here as governor a new government debt is better now from the preface i know do you think this experience with canada world youth will will change you as a person do you think it will change your ambitions for the future o definitely canada world youth is kind of opened my eyes to really stigmas that people have growing up i didn't really think about stigmas very much but we've had a lot of discussions about gender equality mental illness stuff like that and like when you really get down to think about it there are a lot of stigmas that people have and they don't even know that they have them for just having an open mind so would you say you've learned a few things about your culture the one that we live in yeah i have but we're still in canada so i'm really looking forward to the second phase i can feel it coming and i know that i'm going to see canada differently when i get back you'll get lots of preparation for that i'm sure because i'm sure the and simon have been considering deep reefing that you'll need at the end of this because he will be breaking up a family won't chip however what i really want to know is what are your plans for the future right now both of you do have plans about what you would like to do with your life for sure after joining us i'm still joining this program but i have a fish and like big fish and for my own future like i realize then i understand not only neal but i understand what is something that around me like something that i don't really pay attention at before it is and i do understand about that now what like the nature itself we need the nature of nature need us how we can protect the nature and where surrounding over environmental one a developed country i would like to bring back this idea of being a president who rady not only for the economic side but being sustained for everything against around me saying that's mine and kalen do you have a career goal what  your we are goals been in your short life so far and is it changing a little bit yeah it's certainly changing before this program i finished my first year of software engineering and i don't think i'm going to go back  engineering is too specific for me think think i'm more of kind of a big picture person so after this program i think i'm going to continue to travel before i go back to university because i do have an idea of what i want to do i still do you want to go in to maybe robotic surgery or something like that but i'd like to kind of explore the philosophy side of things too so i would like to go travel and se asia more and more about religions over there world views over there and then when i come back i think i'll have a better idea of what i want to pursue in university have you picked up any of the language a little bit i know enough that when i'm listening to a conversation i can kind of pick up a few words and get the gist of what they're talking about  fact i'm going to ask this question to both of you simon until i detest the to supervise a swan from canada and one from indonesia what do you do after a project can you stay with a group like canada where would you thought or do you have to go contract by contract how does that work for me with canada world youth it's a contractual employee so it is contract the contract you know i've been doing it for this is my fourth one and as long as i keep getting positive reviews magine will hire me if i keep applying it's just a matter of what programs are available funding levels fluctuate a bit so you kind of see what's out there and it's a great organization to be a part of it's very exciting and working with youth is pretty neat and it was not long ago i was a youth so yeah i hope to be involved into the future but we'll see what opportunities come my way and it's a great network and you know see what network it's developed over in indonesia as well it's the other thing you get connected to a lot of projects and interesting people all over the world and across canada canada will do you think partner in with the ministry of youth and sports of republican in asia and it's the same with  simon said it's can it's based on contract it's per program thing to become a project supervisor i had to compete nationwide with many applicants from many provinces in indonesia also mostly because there are so many applicants for this position usually only have one or at the most two terms of becoming project supervisor the ministries hope in sending people to canada either or participants is that after the program we may apply what we learned experientially to our region so our provinces that the development is not just within the program and within yourself but also spread to all circles like that with what are you do it in my province is similar to this but with peace network there were some conflicts in my area like fifteen years ago so i jumped into that and it turns out that i enjoyed it a lot and this program has really helped me you know when i was participating my place was not stabilized so it gives me a lot of views a lot of spirit to really be able to in words for me personally and for for my region so i think after this i will go back to my country and continue with what i'm doing there now what cultural aspects of have you observe have you been to any plays musical performances tell us actually i think about a month ago with another host family like a host father he's very involved in  nations practices and he invited me to join a sweat lodge that was really fun we got out there at seven in the morning we built a big bonfire put the rocks in the middle of the fire heated the mop we had all the drums sitting around the fire so that the skins could tighten so we could actually use the drums and eventually we went into the sweat lodge there is about twenty two of us and they're very small confined area they brought in these stones they burned some say another kind of heard on the stones and they poured water on them it was a really really neat experience yes so i really felt the aboriginal presence and i'm a quite a bit and that's been really interesting well for me like i still remember the first show that we watch joining this time to go to gabrial or it gave me and i don't know another reason to pick your which reminds me simon that must have been your work to find host families for how many host families did you need  needed ten nine for the participants than one for at it like counterparts so i mean for him it was more finding roommates in the store but still hosts so the process but actually it was not too difficult  in part because of the connection people had to canada world youth we have three hosts who are past participants when he participated forty years ago in the philippines and had a reunion with his group are part of his group this year we also have a host who was in the cuba program of two thousand and another way of about ninety five and then we have another host whose son participated about twelve years ago and it's hosts his brother is currently participating so we've had a lot of connections there may have even been one more i'm forgetting but there was a lot so that the sort of history that canada world has throughout the country made it easier to recruit hosts here it's been forty three years of program so were over thirty seven thousand alumni yeah i know you are because the mail still arrives at my address so and for you the hosting experience you have to organize it at the other end yeah there are going to easing of the hosting it was done before we came to canada so that the ministry of the other representatives of the ministry well could come within these three months community i'm sort of taken by the idea that simon could become its man and i'm or if then i imo is fortunate enough to be host community for such a program in the future what did the kind of criteria community by community say to people why it's looking for well generally canada will do well for a long time state of the major cities although that's changed a bit recently with when a pagan ottawa  halifax on board but i think a lot of times they're like smaller communities or medium size communities anywhere they could support the program really so where there's an interest where there's a fairly strong nonprofit sector but sometimes it comes down to a field staff just saying this community is good i know i can make it work and then they'll just have confidence in us and let us take it that's kind of what happened with then imo here because i was previously working in white horse  with canada world youth with mozambique and ukraine and i just suggested and i'm on i said i think i could really get a good community of support for the program here so that's why it's returned it was here ten years ago with the china exchange and i think it was here about twenty years ago with indonesia because we bumped into someone who said they hosted an indonesian program about the longer more so it really could be almost anywhere in canada because i think part of the thinking is that canada world youth can show canada for what it really is it's not only toronto or only auto are vancouver there's a lot of our culture and experience comes through the smaller communities so yeah i would say it could happen anywhere sketch one for example that's new because we have a field staff was from there and that's a first nations community that never had any programs with canada world youth previously and there's also very recently there was a program in rankin inlet i knew of it now as a result of an alumnus who became a supervisor of a quick turnaround and she sort of led away there and brought a program there so that in exchange of proof for a few years if you were talking to parents of young people fifteen sixteen now and you wanted to explain what this program has meant to you what would you tell them about canada world youth kalen first i would tell them that this program offers something that you'll never be able to get in a university or a high school because you're not reading out of a book you're not hearing someone's biased opinion on subjects to be learning about in you're actually immersed in a culture you're immersed in issues you're having to actually make changes beyond a leader there you just get really valuable real life experience so for it's not something that you can describe very well until you really in into the program like did my sandy or told me about this program before but i never know until i really in this program  new thing from the cellphone from their environment so like there are involving a lot of things the people the society the feeling of lots of people so i believe everyone is everything's connected in this program is too big big and yet sometimes not big enough so one of the things that parents worry about his safety health and safety first and then afterwards comes the learning and the self improvement and right at the bottom comes fun share seems to be a bit of a pity so who's going to tell us how canada wailed youth deals with issues of safety for young people who let's face it don't always make the perfect decisions on the spur of the moment i'll take that one of the supervisors at it and i as much as we would like to have fun with the group and be casual and accessible we always have that responsibility of look you know for safety so in some ways maybe we feel like parents i don't know to them finance we say our kids maybe it's not appropriate but like because there is that idea that we're looking out for them we're fortunate that most of the time the youth look out for each other as well so it is a group responsibility everybody is responsible for safety of their own and and that of others and we take that seriously so i guess the way we handle that is by talking about it we also have policies no hitchhiking being one of the really important ones things like walking home at night you walk in pairs let people know where you're going when it comes to like in indonesia i know we're all going to be wearing life jacket boats and even though it's not custom for most local people there we have to make that a priority for us for the group so we always are sort of looking out in thinking about how we couldn't minimize risks we're not immune to things because we're in the real world but we talk about them we have workshops at the beginning and it's not just safety in the communities it's within the group too so we have workshops early on about sexual harassment sexual salt what that is and you know definitions of those topics and understand what the policy is and then can sentido getting into more personal private areas of life this is a really good space for young people to talk about that openly and gain some tools in communication in  safety knowing boundaries and understanding cultural differences too around boundaries and personal space and so on so i don't know it's built in i guess and it's ongoing just to add to that kind of  really concerned about the safety and security of participants canadians and indian nations alike one other point is the life vest that we must because we are going to be on an island also  mosquito net that's really being prioritized and we have that to drinking water and medications simon i know that simon has taken some of the canadian youth to consult with doctors and taking preliminary precautions with the shots and stuff like that one other thing simon mention about the not only safety of you and the individual and the group but we also try to give to the community we just did a woman safety audit last week which i think can and it is being initiated by our youth two of the women who are working in the human resource center and i really think that it can help the community in making this place safe for a woman i think a lot of the time the reason young people get into trouble with safety is because they don't communicate with their the leaders in the group and something interesting about being in this group is they notice that project supervisors established a very equal atmosphere early on in the program and i think a lot of the people in our group don't really see them as people that you have to be afraid of like you can always talk to them and i think the biggest thing for safety is communication and our group has that and i think that that's one of the reasons that candle world youth is such a great thing is you you are really safe because you're part of a family and you know it's just that communication and sometimes the communication isn't only thing is it sometimes it's the peer pressure and the desire to be seen as cool which is very very powerful and till you get past that late teen period distant it have you noticed any little flare ups of people feeling that they ought to feel rebellious now and then you want to ask the supervisors ok you know what is interesting because usually there are issues around behavior in groups at least here in there this group there are actually hasn't been you know when we go to supervisor training and people have a lot of things to discuss challenging issues in the group some around behavior and stuff we almost feel bad at it and i because they're like the group is very responsible they don't drink it's almost shocking how responsible this group is and they have a good time they're out at night and stuff usually at host family homes but or at the aquatic center but they're really responsible we're going to have to unpack this i don't really understand but because it's like one hundred percent and usually it's seventy five eighty sometimes you have problems than i think what it is that this group everybody really wants to be here so we get the sense and where we establish that he quality thing is killin mentioned but we're able to do it successfully because everybody really wants to be here and they really respect and appreciate the opportunity so that's not worth messing up so it's great and i do think you heard a hint of appreciation of the fact that you gave them a they could feel that it was ok to talk to you and that they wouldn't get treated in an authoritarian way because that's about the worst thing you could do with young people that you don't know he has chosen to it i'm going to ask you about food seems to me food huge issue and it seems to be that in this country household by household third print food cultures there are people who will or will not eat this or that and i'd like to ask each one of you what and my friends like i need your friends like what rice three times a day i'm sorry yes it is rise every day three times a day or just sitting on noodles like this without our fat free to bed in terms in case of my family they bought rice for me just i have to just get by myself like they're really open minded they're really like there is a difference here this girl loves rice they bought me a big bunch of rice and i do realize that i have to finish this right before what do you like to eat and they go and buy stuff for us and it's pretty nice no complaints here yeah yeah yeah my host is really into local products which in indonesia not really in force yet although there are people who are really concerned about but always having local products so here i get to learn that many things are not really you don't really have to have food in wrapping my host even make toothpaste homemade toothpaste and then jams of most of the things in my house are homemade which is really great and the good thing about is that i am very much adaptive so i can really adapt to that and i can see that it's really good not only for your community for having local food but also for your body you know one of the things that's been a learning experience for the host family is fine and meet as you know most of the indonesians are muslim and the group there are some of them were quite concerned about eating meat that wasn't allowed they didn't want to so the host or equate gracious enough to investigate and they found at least a couple stores in and i'm more that offered chicken turkey sometimes beef so that was an adaptation process for the host and also for the youth to always have to check is this who there did lead to some discussions with local people from the muslim community and i am over how they negotiate food here when there's you know most things aren't allow so it's been interesting but it's been a learning process is if people are familiar with kosher in judaism it's a dietary code not that different from kosher so a blessing is involved by a spiritual leader but also i guess the most important thing would be no pork at all and the way in which the animal is slaughtered is important too so there needs to be a bloodletting from the throat of the animal so that's completely drained before butchering cleanliness is central to it so that's part of the person the religious person who would come in would inspect the facility for hygiene for cleanliness and then if up to standard they would be the blessing would be done and then it's hall so there are a number of companies in canada that do that process just as kosher of people here would never pay attention to that but if you look closely on a lot of food in canada it will have a little case symbol on it and more and more we're seeing the symbol for whole hour and i think we're seeing some stuff that's probably both i'm not sure on that but as canada's population is more and more diverse we're people becoming more custom with dietary code needs and when canadians go abroad sometimes we get the reputation as being picky vegetarian vegan no no what you know there's all kinds of exceptions no gluten thing though isn't it just in for the nation's allergies to that was noted as strange or different because allergies isn't didn't seem to be as common from what we hear in indonesia or at not known so my point on that is that people were quite open and that was one of the some of the advice we got from a community member from originally from the middle east and you know just talk about it because generally the canadian families they just need to know what are your needs and the used to it because they get these other things all the time you go to a function and there's always different plates for different dietary needs religious or other i just wanted to ask how he knows that the food in the package is this really how well we don't actually we choose to believe from the packaging there's that label and i think the people who put the effort to have that labeling on the packaging actually care about the community that require it to well i think the only thing something they're i'm going to ask you a last question and do you can they take the opportunity to say whatever you want to say last about this project and your experience here and imo or you can go at it this way in the future since you've clearly had a positive experience with canada world youth how are you going to hold on to what you've learned from this ok how the first things is i have to really enjoy this program for is if i'm not enjoying it i feel not feel anything in my you know in my heart but since i do want to be a good practice hip and i put everything inside my heart every single moment i have here like every single thing i have learned here so those things finally in the future it's will be stealing your self i not require any big struggling like ever to keep the value that i have already built in myself during this program but it's directly in yourself there is i think this for me i think the first thing is i'm going to keep in touch with all these twenty people on this group for sure these are really awesome people and secondly in my travels anything that i do anywhere i go i'm always always always going to talk to people from now on something that i'm not really used to doing i mean i kind of touched on this before coming from the east usually when you're walking on the street you don't generally stop to talk to people just from what i've experienced and i'm going to do that now like i'm going to if i need something if i'm curious about something just talk to people and people or generally have a nice response this would have been a different discussion or the answers would have been different even as recently as ten years ago because it's much easier to stay in touch now isn't it now that everybody has a smartphone or something equivalent to almost a smartphone so these are not like facebook friends i take it these are real friends so what do you take away from this i get to understand deeper about plurality i really see the fore every simplest thing there's always two sides of the story two points of view right i think really simple that i really like there are many other people who think the exact opposite so maybe after the not maybe after the program i will think twice even maybe three times before i set my mind on saying that this is good and this is bad because there are many other people who may have different thinking than that simon you could have the last word you know kind of the world there's been so much a part of my life since i participated ten years ago it's hard to separate it whether it's through the things that it led to me doing i mean now i'm directly involved again and it's been snowing my fourth year but even before i was a supervisor i was involved in political activism here and imo you know the name of the group came from a political party i was impressed with in europe way back in two thousand and four b was involved at c h o y the same radio station that's because my volunteer placement on canada world youth was called radio nelson i started my show there and that summer got into concert promotions mostly reggae and world music well i met one of the artists that i work with the most clinton fearon somebody at my workplace and at the radio station was friends with them and worked with them previously and he introduced me to his music that led to me having him in when i saw him at a festival introduce myself there know your friend nelson can interview you and organize seventeen shows with him and i will be after canada world youth will be continuing promoting him and other artists so the take away is huge it just keeps going you know and now the connections with indonesia and then news in the know in the canadians this year and working in  as i said before i knew some people in the non profits previously but now i know what they do more and up and i also know the current people so i don't know where it's going to lead specifically but has just said so many positive things it's actually hard to keep track of but so many beginnings are starting points or from this program and i know it's going to happen with the youth who are currently on the program and it goes on and on on it's just so many connections there's a local rapper who did a canada world youth program last year in tanzania and on facebook i posted something when a friend a colleague a supervisor from nicaragua commented and he called men's is all that's my host sister from i did a short program in nicaragua the year before that and you know just the network produces a lot of positive things if i could just add to what i said before one other really important thing that i'm going to take away from this program is being opinionated people like it when you have an opinion and i realized that i like it when i have an opinion and from talking to other people you're not only seeing their views but you're seeing your own views and i think that that's really important wouldn't it be nice if we could build this into the public education system all across the world thank you so much for participating today simon chaney and kalen and come back some day and tell us what you did