saying we may be coming to a time of qualitative transformation in this time and so in that order we're going to talk of a different way but we're going to be talking in this and you got a hint about it if you can get to the behind us we're going to be talking about not only information technology larry gal has a lot of experience and then understanding of the implication to the sociological political organization of the planet and  also what's coming out is very much in the discussion of virtually the entire intellectual community is the information technology with the internet and all these kind of things which has been so  into the realm of called robotics and robotics is now being seen as something that's going to eliminate much of the way in which the world organizes itself today built around the idea of distributing buying power and the ability of the human beings to gain income in order to be able to live a little live a life that could benefit from the technological capability of eliminated nearly or nearly so eliminated in the say in the decades long but the implications of it are being seen already in what they call robotics the robotics movement and we're going to have at the beginning maybe we just started off mary before we even get into the discussion we have a fourteen minute tape that is that sets this theme by from california and i think maybe if we can set up and run that tape and then we'll come back and talk about what some of the implications of it are so let's roll that tape now about fourteen minutes long about some of the implications of robotics historically and  where i love this section up because it's it's truly about the renaissance and and in fact my my talk today is about the next human renaissance and the nice thing about i'm going to buy it as we get to go back in history and think about the st renaissance which was truly an awakening were art like this came came out where it never did before in fact people painted a sexually themselves doing the things they wanted to do in the renaissance which was truly an awakening of the human spirit in the human mind but other than that period of time most of our life is spent working and we've been working for tens of thousands of years doing different jobs and we do those different jobs so much that they become us in fact when someone asks you hey mary what do you do she says well i do this so much so that even jesus father is known as joseph the carpenter we become known by the things we're doing even though this is a job and we're really only doing it to pay the bills for the most part that's why we're forced to do this kind of work so somehow we become known by it but what happens when it goes away what happens if humans are obsolete in the next fifty years for the kinds of jobs that we've always done where all this new technology that's coming along changes what we would do every day so st of all what would we do do we sit home and watch t v all day i hope not and number two how do we define ourselves because we've been used to defining ourselves since the beginning of time as what we do and that's a big change and i st started thinking about this way back in ninety seven dollars i ran a program a big project for general magic about one hundred million me my email missed your email from frank instructor international's high school the idea was truly to replace what we knew as the assistant that time and some of that technology has come along but regardless of what came along and didn't come along the big learning we took from that is that people began to treat that machine like mary which was what we called her we called her mary and so people called her mary they talked to mary they said all kinds of obscene things to mary that's what they did and this was a very very interesting experiment and it took a lot of horsepower at that time that's me standing in the operations center at that time there were dozens and dozens of rows and thousands of computers to could welds some joints and it was about a one million dollars in today's dollars but everything in the last few years mostly driven by cell phone smartphones has been driving down so fast down this cost curve that it's changing the way we for a dollar and not only that the transit price the the the cost of driving data of getting data to us continues to drive downward it continues to move downward to the point of zero  data and moving data is basically free and the cost of computing has continued to drive towards zero from a trillion dollars to a trillionth of a penny for a one million instructions perception now all of that adds up to the fact that on our desktop today we can have a computer that is somewhere between the intelligence of a monkey and a human on our desktop for two or three hundred dollars and that's not all we've made great strides in showing that the biggest computers in the world can actually be way smarter than humans it was back in one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven that the st computer beat the grand chess champion of the world and it was only three years ago that watson won against the grand champions of jeopardy and this was truly a turning point because of the natural language understanding that had to be embedded in that computer system that's what was hard and we finally broke that code in tw eleven that's already three years ago so the tipping point isn't near but it's actually here in the past when we looked to outsource labor and to drive down the cost of goods we would go further and further away from the united states and eventually went to china and all of our goods are are made in china many of our goods are made in china today however just in the last two or three years the tipping point has occurred in china where now robotics and automation are cheaper than the average chinese factory worker wage that's a real issue that's a real issue because there's no further to go so what happens is the four hundred thousand people working on your i phones today might be forty thousand just a few years from now and in fact why even make it over there you can make it here because if it's all robotics the cost is the same and that's a huge tipping point we have never seen that point before by the way we saw the one million dollars robot here's the twenty five thousand dollars robot it does much more than the one million dollars robot dead and with a simple software upgrade doubled its capacity in one year can you double your capacity with a software upgrade in a year i can't this is faster than any human can do the job and it pays for itself in one year and after that it's free for the next twenty one dollars human can run dozens of these things his name is baxter by the way so now we're reaching a tipping point where the technology as a whole computer sensors robotics and communication are faster smarter more reliable than humans already today they'll work all the time far less expensively in the factual they don't lie and they don't yes we can break down the end of human work into three categories now soon and fifty years from now now soon fifty years from now and i'm going to pose the fact in my mind that in fact all of the jobs go away within the next fifty years and this is happening already over the last twenty years we've seen routine occupations had down hill as a percentage of our workforce so more of our work forces is working in more complex  opportunities that are using our minds more here's an example of restaurant tablets many of you have already probably run into this set at your favorite restaurant and what happens is this reduces labor by forty percent you can place your order and you can pay for your order right there and you don't have to talk to anyone and it works it's amazing not only that the customers are happier in the order accuracies one hundred percent now here's the how butler is now at a loft hotels very very interesting because this will deliver warm towels to your room at your beck and call can you imagine what happens when you mix the towel bottler with what's going on at restaurants and now it's the food butler and now the cost of labor goes to zero percent as you don't need a waiter or waitress and quite likely the patrons are even happier someone's got to cook or do they this is the automatic hamburger machine it makes burgers for ninety percent lower cost than the way we make them today and faster this is the home kitchen robot it cooks in the kitchen for you and delivers meals to you however it's very expensive it's only in a lab but this is what's coming over the next ten to twenty years we will have a robot in our kitchen it'll be a few one thousand dollars it'll make your meals for you and it'll also clean well it's not busy making meals it'll also order the food that morning for delivery fresh and when you come home at six your meal will be there ye and by the way there won't be a u p s driver or some other driver driving in your vehicle to drive your package there because they're going to be delivered with drones which eliminates eighty to ninety percent of package delivery in this country and cuts the labor cost by over ninety percent and that's not the only drones here's a company that's working on romo ships because they figured out that a ship without a captain that might be drinking or might be asleep at the wheel is much safer than one with one we have g technology we can get the ship from point a to point b it's not that hard folks so now we're going up the chain and further up the chain and we say can doctors be replaced by computers well computers have up to the minute millions of peer reviewed papers c d c info data from other computer based docs data from social media data from blood everything else at its disposal hundreds of millions or billions of papers and data and your doctor can store maybe a few one hundred pages in his or her head so yes i hope that this happens because that's the person i want to go to and let me take it a step further human genome sequencing has also fallen from thousands of dollars to it's going to be a dollar ok in the next few years and at those rates we will know more about our self and our being and how we were born and how we came to be than we've ever known and a doctor wouldn't know what most of the time to do with all that data so we're going to actually create more data about our bodies that need to go to the computers and need to go to systems that can analyze it and help us determine how we can live a better life and how we can cure sickness but of course there's surgeons in the laws be surgeons well wait ok hang on maybe not this is the da vinci surgical robot you may have seen that this is actually run by doctors today doctors put their hands in some gloves and manipulate the robot and then that's what makes the robot operate on your body i'm sorry why do i want doctors hands operating this very delicate instrument why wouldn't i want a computer system that can be programmed with all the knowledge of humanity that can make a split nd decisions literally nano nd decisions on hundreds thousands or millions of outcomes and take the right one and by the way there are some four hundred thousand people that are dying every year in this country because of medical mistakes that's ten times the number that die in automobile accidents we can eliminate that but let's go further we've all seen the self driving car you've seen this on on t v you might have seen one drive by there really amazing but the impact  society is much greater than you think because technically we just need ninety two percent fewer vehicles as your vehicle is parked ninety two percent of the time and if you can drive the cost of getting from point a to point b down below you owning a vehicle there's no reason to own  dollar will show up autonomously they'll be no one there will be no one driving it will be no wheel in the car you get in and it takes you to point b and this is what happens the new york city taxi fares per mile once you automate they go from three dollars a mile to about  cents a mile and that reduces traffic accidents everywhere in the world by ninety five percent and it's so safe that i predict that human driving will be outlawed because who would want a human behind the wheel in fact there shouldn't be a wheel think about it now here's an interesting things humanoid robotics companies the biggest and best most advanced in the world almost a dozen have been bought by google in the last two years what do they know that you don't know or rather what do they know that you didn't know until now so the question in the future isn't about the perfect job good salary and benefits job security close to home and everything else that's actually the wrong question we're going to give our kids go to school to learn so that you get the perfect job there won't be a perfect job it's the wrong question and i think bucky fuller said it best we should do away with the absolute specious notion that everybody has to earn a living we keep inventing jobs because of the false idea that everybody has to be employed in some kind of drudgery you ever feel that way and the true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them that they had to earn a living so that brings us really sort of full circle and and suggest to us i think all of us that in fact jobs aren't good they were a necessary evil when in fact they were a form of human bondage we were enslaved and have been enslaved and continue to be enslaved by the fact we have to get up we have to go to work we have to produce something and then we have to come home and we're only producing something so that we can put food on our table get that but if that goes away what if this is the most incredible human opportunity that we've ever seen that we finally get to ponder why are we here i don't mean why are you here listening to me i mean why are we here as we weren't here to make widgets to go to some whatever job it is we're much more capable than that and that brings us to my final point which is this is an opportunity that we have that we've been granted if we choose the take it for the next renaissance just as in the st renaissance it was an amazing awakening of the human spirit where people looked to the heavens and pondered what it meant people look to the heavens and pondered what it would be and how one would travel to the stars and beyond people opened up their hearts they opened up their minds they created art dance music and theater this is our possibly one chance that we will be free to do exactly the same i for one can't wait to see walter thank you so much ok so that's the thing reset the thing up and i don't know that's something that i think is really on the minds of everybody so that's something i'd like to think about and put into some sort of perspective and what do you think larry listening to that you thought these things through and everything isn't anything to be said for the fact that we may be coming to a new moment in evolutionary terms or something after two hundred thousand years of our species we have all ved two hundred  experience which we're all seeing in our historical patterns but we're coming into the situation of a magine a liberated humanity possibly which seems to be the way evolution works you have a state and for maybe millennia and so forth and then there's a quickening like a pregnancy and there's a quickening and you're introduced into a new way of being a new universe it's called punctuated speciation to a new way of being in terms of universe rather than another historical period and historical context and which we see things or the systems by which we have had gotten our identity have been overcome if we make it and that we seem to have been born not like the french revolution time or the beginning of rome or something like that out of history but a time of are carnegie mellon and they have a thing where you've got a thing bring your cup of coffee but it's all the interest of the in the information guys now is going over to robotics beyond just the information technology but the implications of it are we're coming to the end of the functions that we have been all caught up with in our wars in our assumptions and the way people live and that sort of thing if you know what you know and say yeah jobs import or labor is not going to be needed any more so the way in which people are going to be going to school to learn something if they get a certificate they can get a job within a corporation and earn money and maybe get a grant or something like that or those things that motivate human human activity and thinking are not going to survive this and yet they would have access they have the ability t capability providing life support everybody in it in a niagara proportion that has never been the case the idea of scarcity would no longer apply and that's been the principal assumption of the system system there's not nearly enough for some to win somebody else says the lose zero sum thinking all of the things that have made up the geopolitical and  context within which all of our thinking is being all of our assumptions on policy and so forth are being formulated by so called leadership business or government now and there ought to be some tension given to the fact of qualitative transformation there we have been apparently born into as we get to a point where we're not only our technological capability has brought us the added the weaponry which as underscored politic whoever's got the biggest gun controls wins and wars and so for than in slaves people and all of that now the are now in it's model species lethal we can now kill every single human beings with the weapons that could be set off and we juggle things that we can't stand this we can't stand that and it's apparently the case and on the other side we've got a capability of providing life support for everybody in a have like kind of way for everybody we don't have to have no have nots any longer we've always had never have nots threw it out in the sewers and do the things and then touchable is in the other kind of things and the slaves where today they have slaves most all of the time those those things that make up the human condition and history and the current situation is we could take care of everybody and have them be habs in a way like we're heading for red seven billion people now we're heading for ten billion and  so many of them are so not able to realize anything like their real potential because they're all caught up finding roles as slaves within a system that are not going to be needed and so we have to have a way in which we're going to have to and that's the way we distribute buying power to the mass of the people who provide a market for what economically we're able to do and that labor theory of value which is inform political process certainly was the whole basis of marx thinking in the left and so forth and we don't have an alternate way of distributing them income to the masses of people were in their labor which is bargained away in the process do you understand what i'm saying they're like boy slaves right ok and they have to do it in order to feed the kids and it's a sensory sponsibility and we may be in that period of time they say fifty years but we're feeling the effects of it already so artificial you know how i'm you know just talk of the top of your head no official intelligence yeah i'm a sion and our robotics robotics yeah will eventually replace all the jobs that are necessary well yeah no but yeah but you know without without losing any of the material benefits of what can be done you don't need people well you have to close all of your website which i love and one of them you got a better memory than me but one of them i know weaver's who used to be able to weaver the women who would sit around and we run a machine or something and and the printing press and all the things that those are all examples but now it's coming into a crescendo of an exponential increasing of the production of the robotics that are going to undercut the labor input to production by which people justify having money given to them for what they do in a productive process where they're no longer need i don't know if that's true or maybe that's something number you want to believe because it's too large and too much out of sync with the historical patterns by which you've got all of our values well i just come from florida and i have a bunch of friends down there yeah  airline pilots yeah and delta pilots and couple of them fly all the way across the world three albums a month yeah and all they're done talking about is the replacement of their jobs well that we ought not only automated cars but totally automated airplanes oh yeah i think that there it's there's no there's things that show that airplanes the major airplanes they already are you've got a whole you've got a whole internet to think that they're all they're all flying and it keeps all not crashing into each other and everything so i like and who would be into it the airlines would be safer if there were no pilots in the airplane like you said why would you want a human being driving a car when the boy in the automation can do it better know they ask it in a joking way but it's true sir we want to put faith in the guy driving the car and because we've got these from your street we've got two hundred thousand years of history where those kind of things are done and identity people's identity are wrapped up in those kinds of things and yeah so this is a major problem confronted i think this is what's going to become the major things going to be discussed over the decade or so lead the life of leisure way of dealing with things without having to do pressure yeah doing what you want the idea that people could do what they want rather than what they have to do by some system that in force is that it's like some avery or we will see it from a context of if we have a future the species or the evolutionary process has a future and we well well cultured to the alter of the industrial revolution it wiped out everybody who didn't adjust to it or no but down down at the micro big level and everything like that the whole evolutionary process is a is a is a thing of  many many tried things that do not work and their limited ok ok thought maybe our species is meant to be able to need it and the odds are that might well be in a in a godless and all those kind of things that people believe in those spiritual things that may or may not be true most likely are not they're just stories it gave some sense of identity to  humanity and so forth but maybe we're meant to entropy and maybe it'll be picked up by something else or something entry would just destroy ourselves yeah that happens evolutionarily down to the  transformation after ten thousand dollars generations there's something unique about the time in which we find ourselves something blowing in the wind yeah bobby jones said there's something blowing in the when it's being picked up by some of the artists and so forth but people mostly are saying well how can we get our team to win how can we get the democrats to win or the republicans and do this and the guy in korea is going to bring bombs and all the traditional way of thinking learn something and then if you go to university you go to school university to learn to get a certificate that's going to make it possible for you to get a job a called a job could be done just in a and a mass you know just do away with the private sector but i don't think that's to be advised i don't i don't know you have a great quote and you so many great quotes on your website you'll have to refresh my memory but the present yeah and now they're saying you might be able to live in a most and maybe all jobs but you don't yeah but your limit but you don't you don't not eliminate the productive capability of goods and services an interest in understanding those homo erectus i are whatever it was making up the people there went through a process of qualitative transformation to have something new was created and one thousand years ago i know i do one hundred thousand years ago from all the best research all you almost sapiens but our system right now is deep in the whole concept of jobs well yeah you're back to the immediate thing it's worth that's what time people's minds you know employment well now let me tell you a little research i've been doing over the past ok tell me yeah because i ran into my father in law who ended up with something like fourteen million dollars systems and yeah and he never went to school or anything and he said what i've been doing and when you see young people walking around on the street and you ask them what is that big bag you have on the back of your back and the responses i had my books in there and i sa poet or i'm going to learn of the great works of literature or something you know we're going to by and large productive our job yeah whatever they do want to get a certificate to gives you a chance to get a job at a place where they're performing capital in a way but they can give you a scald a salary for what you do to produce the goods they do right now i go to the other side because my agency does projects around the world i know you're doing now but i saw i interact with a lot of universities yeah yeah university world yeah i don't care whether it's the deans or whether separate houses they can you simplify and tell me really simply what are you doing and the answer always comes up the same where teaching jobs so i say it's just like my ring i have going to a university and you've got the universities all over this and well we're sitting here waiting for you we're going to teach for the job you're looking for and then on top of that they come out with a job and step one step two is they give they don't give them jobs again phenomenal that hundred thousand dollars i've met guys went through law school you know i got a two hundred thousand dollars that i said but did you get a job and the answer is no and i see people losing jobs so well i've been asking the following question which i think the audience ought to think right you know right next to mr trump yeah not but i've had a lot of clients live over there and my my my my understanding and i observe a sion over fifty seven years is they're just over broke two and the reason is because as they get richer and richer and they keep getting more and more you know jobs in the company grows and grows i think that's tanking right along with them right underneath them is a thing called expenses so they're building their income  business or he has a car accident or he gets cancer he drops down expenses keep going and before you know it you can't pay the tax and again they were all just over broke got it out like a hollywood movie and i what you said we don't need these jobs we need some way to scape from the jobs well maybe this what this video is it we're going to transform this country it's time to we don't need this capitalist system you've got one everybody i know is paying it and they're paying the banks that compound interest and and compound interest means that the super people at the rich and the top their compound is massively come yeah really it was massively compound and it massively pushing down the middle class in the lower class which are trying to scramble out there's survive with jobs and you've been saying for years they should get rid of the jobs so i loved it when i was watching your weather clip was on and you had some nice well that's i don't know if we should condemn the modern world any more than all of history because it seems to me well for that for that bass period two hundred thousand years and we had to drop  started walking for most of that time understand that we were hunting and gathering we were wandering around we had to do then just africa had a lot of these very very big very fast moving big teeth leopards and lions that ate out sort of regularity like they'd rabbits and we were running around hoping to find a little carrion somewhere that we could survive it was really really tough in my  ection of the way it would have been to lead and that's ten that's we've only been civilized for it it took the invention of agriculture about ten thousand years ago eight thousand years ago in four different places to bring security from the food quests now and made possible civilisation and then as soon as you get civilisation you get somebody becomes the king and then you see little clip on the television about the great pyramids and so for the new egypt and you think those people had to drag those great big stones across the hot desert did it because they wanted to now you can people and think they're doing it for some god or something like that but by and large there were slaves and what they did is you had the people that had the armies set up a thing where they would go and beat the bejesus out of the people and beat them into submission and turn them into slaves and you had a few people living in the castle where the golden plates and the slaves were living in slop and they were that's the history of the world and it continues and you know it's not unusual that some people months or money and others are just being done what they have to do in order to survive and that's part of part of the lesson of learning how to be a human being is to learn some of the lessons of that are some people that are better than others or something and they're up there in the leadership roles and you give greens to their you give prisons that a little bit of a change started happening with the enlightenment in europe and so forth a one thousand years after rome you had kings in the kings or and it was a it was sovereignty by royal families they were to satirise themselves by having a better army and stronger he'll better steel and winning and being able they've got the base if you've got the ability to cover beat the other guy then you set up the rules that's all and it's all very you know and you sit up there and anybody gets out of sorts you just cut off their head or something like all right here in america need slaves to pick cotton and try and whitney came along with his new automation and could pick the color continues to see the pattern continued expanding now though what you say is we're on the verge of a massive transformation well knowing just totally we're rightly in an evolution we're all part of an evolutionary process transforming and you've got these extensions of consciousness that all of the technological things are and then knowledge and so forth and then we did have in europe for the most part and enlightenment and you had an understanding of things and i think they made a good break from franklin he got a lot of thought from the two row wampum of the iroquois peoples here but the native people here were just absolutely right ruth was to be decimated by the europeans after columbus columbus is coming up columbus day again but the history of the world is one very war for one by and large but it was based upon whoever's got the club going it the others on their head and way and lay them and but then the enlightenment comes in and begins to get a little more sophisticated and so forth and you've got a process where it's subtle you get political systems and things and then you get the concept of a democracy and there's something to be said for that and it could be that the people are feeling better if they've got it all straightened out that if they do something their kids can eat it rather is opposed to you if you do if you mess around with their authority your kids aren't going to eat there and starve to death you can watch them start right in your book you know all of that kind of coersion but they know they can just do it it just the fact that it's not you know there's no such thing but then they start getting a thing where they're it's a collectivist thing and there is a collectivist i just can't think that those people a drug those great big stones across the desert were doing that pursue pleasurable thing they were slaves and in that beasts of burden and then we get other things but anyway they get to that point and now we've got to a point where we have it technologies that make possible increased patterns of betterment and you could have killing really on the one side and you're going to have living real on the other and there is now we have a capability of through technological systems and so forth of providing for more and more of the population on terms that were more like what you would call human and you got even human rights and so forth so he'll blow right to clean water people have a right to have a highway to take their current people have the right you have governments that can begin to a beard emerging and you get some pride some progress and the ability to provide life support for the population you get the wheat fields of  of the middle east you can make mountains of bread and you can make all kinds of advances and so forth that bring the benefits of the evolutionary process and human activity to where greater numbers of people are what are haves we've got quite a few people in the world now that are haves as opposed to the slaves out of the historical pattern and you can find it get to a situation and there are situations where everybody is feeling as though they're involved a in a thing of a group activity that they're part of d like did you ever see guys jam or guys and gals in a musical metaphor jamming  they're jamming in the guys playing the sax the guys doing that thing or kids playing or something sort of a thing where there's a groove thing going on and there's a remote there's a rhythm to it all in a can i mean it and they get and they get to a certain point where this and we have the ability that we never had through all of history to provide materially for everyone now that we likely make it so there do not have to be any have nots that's my class we have the capability of doing that we have the technologically augmented capability of having a world where everybody can leave us live out there for potentiality in the way that they would want to do it like in a jam session of  species we have the capability of providing for everybody that we simply never could have done out of the historical pattern and one which informs project the all of the institutions we start and live by and so we've got to get to a point where everybody can be in a certain sense part of a process of liberation are within a point of scarcity or abundance what i would say we're at a point certainly coming out of history it's always been scarce on a collective  since there been things really can tell you what what is what is the things that are needed we can provide we can provide everyone with in the city like manhattan they used to be people to carry buckets of water up two places fifty proud and safety dog water and do all kinds of terribly difficult thing now everybody in manhattan everybody in the civilized world and it can be almost on the money you know they turn a valve and outcomes for water and you turn the other violent it comes out warm water and that's something we can provide for everybody didn't have to be just some king where you carried buckets of water to let them have a thing with the others after water around in a mud bath or something so the progress up the scale of being able to provide for the material capability of technology provides is could make it so you got a world where you could get everybody living a life younger generation coming along ok so let's take an example of what i'm doing right now and again i had fifty seven years of consulting to the biggest corporations in the world yeah i know i could get out of town to my agency called the international agency of economic development right and i wrote a letter to all the ambassadors of the least developed countries and i said two sentences one is they don't know how to do it the nd sentence was don't you think if they knew how to do it they would have done that for your country by now and the point is that the essence of it is is the united nations you can look on the website as set up in one thousand nine hundred and seventy the least developed countries in the world and they identified along with the u s and all the smart professors and identified that there were twenty four dollars countries least of all countries and their the twenty four to forty eight hour began routing so probably one of the united states right now says we're not going to be doing country building the united nations says we can't we don't know how to do country building because they haven't been doing it and the federal government says we don't know how to do it so i'm saying they don't know how to do it well but here's what they know not to do i've been all over the world and you know as you know working for the big corporations and every country in the countries like you can say it's like a my focus and that's what i'm doing right now my focus is focus on the least of all countries and pick that side up that's the reason they're not american corporations just like the trump and like the government like the united nations all say we're not going to do country building because they don't know how to do it the american corporations do not know how to do it i say what they do i like what they do for that segment of the country and it was a valuable but the reason they don't do it the other way is one of my for after fifty seven years working with the biggest corporation you know and it's a rule and here's the rule when in life like in business when you when in business or life when you do not know what to do you do one of the things is that that technology goes on the technology goes and the dimensions of this and the capability is the capability of the technologies that has to be realized and one of the problems that hasn't been allowed to do is they got to hold all the old ways in which the system is set up and that includes being able to have everyone be centrally sub or so submissive to the establish way and worse the powerful clear the market goods in market terms that people are important as consumers of more can be produced of the good life they've got to have a way of getting buying power into the hands of the people here i think that'll have possibility of a forming capital in a way where the ownership of the assets that are creating the well as and the technology are held by everybody in a capitalist wearing reading a capitalist understanding as well as some left wing thinking about justice and so for us and we've got to get to that more unpredictable the sum of the parts of a maximum reengage humanity or a jam session large in the universe and is relevant to reaching introducing us to a new way of being in universe we're we're not we're speciating we're coming into a new relationship into the universe that is the offing and it's like evolution we may just cut it short but that's something that's available to us in these things of the robotics is something that could perhaps lead robotics and other things to everybody as a way of distributing to everybody which is in their bench buying power to buy the things that can be produced good their labor is no longer needed as wage slave and you'll then interviewed born and to this universe and it's got a lot of challenges thank you for all the good work and everything so good and you took them back to mint thank you josie and thank you everyone for viewing it's an amazingly interesting time and to a been born in a really challenging one i'm all for liberating rather than annihilating the human species and the people others that are on our trail i think it's an important thing to be able to see that in to try and bring in our bob thank you very young when we come back again tomorrow so thanks a lot for doing and well that's it and thank you larry for coming in and thank you julianne as always for the production thank you and that's it yeah that's it ok