president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about  i want to take some time with you and discuss the whole series of principles of life and all of these principles are going to be dealing without me stating it in too much detail  that process called health wealth and happiness that we call rich and i'm not talking about food however that may be for some of you what you call wealth is when you the rich food thrive on it but i want to do it in terms of creative people people that are creative and what the process of creativity is there seems to be floating around about us something in the air that keeps us as a human being a lie we know that if we stop breathing that the body will die so we know that there's something in the breathing process that's extremely vital to us as a person and i'm going to go into more detail and i probably won't call it breath so much i might refer to it as pramod or the breath of life but primarily it's a form of substance we can't see it it's present and at the same time it can and does take myriads of forms now that's an easy one to prove all we do is turn around and look at each other and we know that it takes myriads of forms creative people have a couple of attributes and the reason i'm talking about creative people is because they are the ones that have the greatest potential to get into this formless substance and bring out of the formless substance the energy to create on this planet that that they want first of all one of the things we see a self confidence it is not the person who brags it is not the one who does the artificial self confidence you may not know that that person self confidence because they may not be displaying it in terms of look at me i have it or i am the greatest or some other terminology their self confidence works this way they become magnetic in the quality of their life and their thoughts and their feelings become one type of energy and it starts moving in a direction into some goal that they have set up that they're going towards and that's what i mean by self confidence there's not a split in the thinking in the feeling should i i don't know i feel bad now or maybe it was this or that they don't deal in that because they know that putting that in the form of substance also puts that stuff back at you because it works off to them like a mirror however it is more than a three dimensional mirror the second quality is they have a very definite direction what happens with this definite direction is that they utilize their time and their energy in the most productive manner it is rare that you see them wasting time and effort now many people you can see working and you know that they're not working you know that they're just doing busy stuff and they're not being productive they're not directing they're not going towards that goal which in they will declare success or happiness and there are others who can be sitting very quietly in a meditative state who are doing exactly that they are gaining the self confidence they're sitting watching what the mind in the emotions do how that mind chatters and how casts doubt inside and how it says all i'm not getting anywhere then it makes the emotions get on its side and say you're right alfre coddle freak out there runs around and then a says boy i sure spend a lot of time meditating today on the wrong thing what happens is the creative person gets ideas they just seem to have a plethora now for you people that don't quite get that that means many ideas person they seem to have a plethora of ideas but the sad thing about this is they don't share what the ideas are in this confident directive roy so they don't get the results of what's going on inside of them as a process that's come from this formless substance down through them and it causes an anxiety to appear it also gives a feeling of ambition but for what i want this and this listen this and this and this too many directions no way can they fulfill that they must then gather people of like mind like purpose and share that and bring that into our conscious direction where everyone gives up a little of their own psychic space call will i want mine or i want this way to say what is it that we want to accomplish we have said we want to accomplish a people centered ability and center and we've pulled all you people here with like minded like thought like direction and you've given of your creativity into this or substance that is present and that that you gave into it by way of donations or participating  attaining is part of the way that that's going to come back out of this invisible substance to us it doesn't have a roadmap honest i can't tell you which street corner to stand on it just comes out of the nice thing about that is if you don't know where it's coming from you'd better not judge anywhere where you think it might come from or where didn't come from judge it should have come from there because that might be worth was coming from so you sit there in a very open receptive state of consciousness but you keep plugged in to this form of substance this energy that is and all life we cannot really do anything without the motive power that must be a motive to move the power and power without a plan of action something where we've laid out one two three four five down the line becomes static and we all know that static type of electricity gives you a little jolt and a shock and it makes you think something's happened but it dissipates rapidly and then you're left in the state of maybe i'll get a shock or something will happen but i didn't get what i wanted and what was me and before you know you're back again in that nondescript terms saying i'm not being directed to you have lost confidence in myself and you are plugged into infinite supply supplying it with that type of day of the air however would be two reasons to get a hold of the higher energy two good reasons one would be to become full and complete in yourself and become an example of a higher life just so other people could look at you and say hey there is success on the swirl there is a higher better way to do it and use the example walk out amongst people examples are also the second reason is that people are going to ask you what are you doing and they will give you a chance to share with them the same method that you gain to help them get their higher resolve resolved and get on in their life so there's a twofold purpose here one is to get the other news to share and if you just get it and keep it you start to lose  big key is to share it i don't know how many times i've told people the sharing of it is the receiving  the object of all life is development development to the point that you're capable of developing to that point will not declare itself one moment before you die so you can say well fifteen years i did it that's it not if you're still alive it isn't i mean i got to keep going you don't god to but i would be wise to because you may just be coming to a resting place who are now you get to jump to a higher one it takes so much courage in that moment to think you've reached it but this energy has a way of reaching down where you're standing and grabbing the substance underneath you and pulling it real fast if you don't keep going that fall is not a fall and disgrace but it's a moment of shaking you awake that you better get going and many people have that wit to say hey i better start moving that was a message for me others want to pass it off as an excuse and try to stay where they are but at that moment of trying to stay where they are they start to experience that thing that we call failure where the energy drops inside where the negative thinking comes in the emotions start to run all sorts of i don't know what's going on maybe i won't make it and terror becomes part of your roomie and it can become very difficult well to  synergy we have three primary wave ways to do this first one of course is obvious the body shelter protection love so that's foremost substance will give us that type of energy the second one is for the mind and that's done through art and beauty and studying and reading books and sitting with people who have the philosophy of life and listening to that and activating that moving on and of course the third one is the saw and of course that's just love that's the way that activates to the soul just the loving it is the ability to sacrifice not that god is asking of any one sacrifice your life now but that god is asking make the most out of yourself that you possibly can why you'll be happier or never out there i thought maybe you want me to leave the mass exodus left a long time ago you're part of the group that reb oh yeah i recognize that one of man's highest happiness is in bestowing gifts upon the ones they love just think about that stirring gifts upon the ones you love inside equality takes place the one who gets that it's up to them now to decide what they want to do with it most people do not value that gift as much as they value the thought that went through all the energy of that formless substance to get that object to bring it forward to present it to them and they recognize the foremost energy that has brought forward the gift to this woman who says i love you and that's why we have sentimental value on things that's why antiques become valuable art pieces become valuable because someone tapped the formless energy and brought it forward and put it down and shared it with humanity and in that sharing with humanity lot of them lead miserable lives karma you know they should have kept on working and worked through that that was binding them you see part of this energy that comes to us that makes us producer allows us producer urges us produce also makes us stand bishes to produce more and when it doesn't measure up to then that we have called the measurement against the former substance we feel bad they're not doing it the way i want  after a time some they say i feel rejected and i say ok what's next then i feel bad that they feel rejected know what they're doing it out of the form of substance i'm not they're just working off the carman hurry of all the rejections they put love finds its most natural spontaneous expression in giving when somebody says i love you and they walk the other way you can forget that they love you but when they say i love you and they're lifting you up it's a spontaneous expression there's no saying i just can't keep my hands off them yes a spontaneous thing it's got i was i could keep my mouth shut but it came forward yes then we attempt to apologize for love's expression and the other person says you don't have to apologize we say why not say i was glad to hear you say it i'm interested let's move on that one when we gain these material things in the world is there any value in that sure whether or not a whole heck of a lot except by using the material things correctly and that means in the sharing all of them we find then that we can live a more fulfilled life through our body some people are in there wondering what's going on i don't feel anything it's dead i've got to take drugs or get drunk or do something else to try to feel alive that's just temporary some sation folks that's not feeling alive feeling alive is a whole different type of energy it's joy and it's happiness and it's a willingness to be involved in life worth live because it's a form of substance formed on all of you so what can possibly go wrong if you didn't do it the way i wanted that's what don't blame her blame the formless and on all because then you'll blame me back when who do you think you're blaming when you blame her anyway so formless right what happens here is that we will look at an object and then allow that object to influence our mind in our motions that that is reality and i could look here at this t v monitor in front of me and observe it with my eyes and say yeah there i am i see it and i can sure feel that down there so therefore i'm there i'm not here when you do the same things you wake up the morning and you look at your own was appearing a side of you say or grab a look terrible i must be dyin well look beyond that that you must be living don't let the negativity of the world throw you away from the essence of the one truth that this one substance is to all things and it forms in many shapes and it responds to  good or bad why it doesn't know bad and it responds to the creative thought that thought that has a definite direction and a plan and a proposal in a method much faster than no respond to the one who's the day dreamer who very vaguely says i think i want to career of some kind a boat cruise down to care being in and see already i'm plugging into this substance what does that i want i'm starting to define it and pull it to me what am i going to the house i'm living in oh i really grateful for this house you better be grateful because if you're not it goes when you go on the boat how is that they ever seen talented people who are poor have you ever seen two people in the same type of occupation almost next door to each other one is a millionaire and the others have bankruptcy sell it doesn't seem to make too much difference about the geography how you make the riches in a few exceptions if you don't deal with people i wouldn't set up shop in the sahara nor would i probably go up and sell ice cream cones in the middle of the eskimo country ones below zero but there are these opportunities in life when it's appropriate to be with people with a product that gives them more value than what their pain you for for the product so well i read the consciousness are well and in my money magnet i have about twelve hundred dollars now and all my bills are paid off and i said but the book didn't cost that much that's a very definite impression carried around my briefcase is not a briefcase book what kind of book is it it's a book you pick up and read you start doing what it outlines for you to do to have the things in life that you want to have or gee i didn't know that why did you turn  first first page or start reading and that's what it says yeah i haven't even turned the first page yet was it a gift yeah that's what i thought isn't it amazing when somebody gives you something how you construct the drawer not look at it but there's not tremendously interesting how when you're going to buy a new suit with your own money you go down try it on and you check the shoulders on the sleeve length of the sling and you get your a lot of people get their money's worth but they don't get the value and many people get the value way over what the money's worth it was because they take an add on to what they receive they take an add on as a statement in scripture that says if you don't use what i give even that's going to be taken away from he don't think that that's all i could you give me two and i'll try one give him another one i say only to him but i hang on to it give me a third one now i will this time i promise cross my fingers in my heart whichever side they get the third one oh that's too much to lose give me the fourth one this is called the give me group they don't want to put anything out to watch the talent grow and develop because it will return more of them that by far the wealth the abundance the prosperity the riches are all around us because it all come from infinite supply and we look at limited objects and declare that to be the supply you mean this is it they wrote a famous song about them is this is it i should have kept dancing i agree if you're going to limit yourself to that the jew observe as being the real thing you are not seeing the truth in life the very essence that motivates every one of us is the same invisible essence call it that the breath of life call it the formless substance whatever form you want to call it that is what i'm talking about it is what created this universe i've just been teasing but telling you the truth well one of the rules of this game is this everything you see on earth is made from wonder original substance and is formed into many things keep that one in mind the second rule says the formless stuff responds to the needs of man here's the catch it is an intelligent formless substance that will respond to an intelligent form that's put into it that intelligent form has self confidence and direction get it it has a plan of action of moving on it that's why you just can't go abracadabra make it appear except it does appear it's just in the formal state what would you make one of the first principles dealing with this form of substance intelligence is the only power that can move it so if you're being dumb one stupid  life forget the rest of this and you can just relax i'm sure all of you here must be extremely intelligent because you're here form shot into this form of substance produces a thought form in the substance i know how powerful you can be with negative thoughts oh i get it right what i put out i'm getting back what goes around comes around as i saw i read yeah yeah yeah yeah case there was a fourth one there it is intelligent it's always alive that's always moving and it is always alive and moving towards that that is alive and moving in this you take a form in your mind a thought and you shouldn't the form of substance now it thinks is that formless substance thinks it thinks about that form you put into it so sometimes you get it on express mail the next day because you may put it into a part just not too fast maybe you're not tuned in how to get a van and get out and get  so there is this element here called patience and  as this formal substance thinks the thinking takes form and that form takes motion and that motion takes movement and that movement then descends into the fear of action which is the physical world and then when it comes into the physical world it's ours to receive all that when we have been the creative person said into motion that separates the rich from the poor the rich people are creating one way the poor people are creating another way they create their poorness this substance does not respect the thoughts you put in now some listen well what about the poor people don't have anything good say about the poor people yeah don't become one of them there's enough become one of the wealthy ritual ones there's not very many let's raise this thing let's give those who are poor a chance to stand up let's let them see how it can be done let's demonstrate that we demonstrate that by our doing of that which in a lot of circles is called faith but faith without the action faith without the works is just more static nothing nuts so no matter how good the idea until you get up off your assets and get moving and more of a teacher self into the power that is present you're not going to make it now the hardest work you'll ever do is to hold your mind steady on the formless substance with the content of what you want out of that in your mind so clearly that you can see it and hold it there until it starts to rive it will be easier to dig panama canal panama canal dug so good do this other one and knowing what we know now today we could have dug the panama canal faster knowing what we know today now through life we can create these things out of the formal substance faster and we are far too often we see the limitations and we think the limitation that's a lie against the former substance which is the true so we have to look at the limitation and declare the truth behind it as pointy in the midst of poverty all religious sacred scriptures talk about this you don't get it because you don't ask for every appearance in the visible world tends to produce a corresponding form in the mind which observes it and then this is held up as truth and as preventing us then from having the truth the sets us free we walk up to the tree and declare that that's the forest and it's not we've got to have the wit to say there's a forest here and back off and look at it and find out that yes there is and that tree was a replica of many not the only one when we declare the one we declare the limitation but there is one substance and all things that is not limited is that double talk sure that's the way it is i like to give you three fundamental principles you've heard them i'm going to give them to there is of thinking stuff from which all things are made and which in its original state permeates penetrates and fills the interspaces of the universe a thought in this substance produces the thing imagined by the thought probably want to work as a creative imagination coming right there the third one man can john roger do you mean to say that the fires sit here and think that i want to sewing machine it's going to drop in my lap i know they're going to produce it down the factory and ship it over to year oh i get it it comes in on methods and means sure we had rockefeller's carnegie god hate to name all of them that set up industry to produce the things in the world for us but they were subconscious agents of this invisible formless stuff that used them and there where with all to set up production for us to have more of those means to be freer to experience more of our life in the spirit without being in bondage to the material world and their job is done now what we're going to get is some agent out of the multitude that will come forward and show us how to distribute this with equality throughout the universe and especially this world so that all of us can pertain according to the creative energy and our ability to use and be of service with that that we receive there's no need for you to get a million dollars if you're going to stick your sock but there's going to be need to get a million dollars if you can distributed out there in the form of service to many people so many can benefit you see it goes like this in order to know more in order to do more we must have more we must have more knowledge and was have more access to the things that will bring  knowledge books movies television speed reading universities we have to have access to that we don't get access to that what about money money is one of those commodities that is created out of the form of substance that comes to us by being willing to be of service in this world and here comes the big principle we get rich so we can learn more this formless substance is always reaching out to express itself in more forms and more phases with a higher degree of intelligence that's us unless of course out of space comes a higher degree of intelligence and then it'll get them we're poor again only by this comparison the principle that works with this form of substance is that your idea your means your methods must always be in harmony with that planet that you're living upon and the people on that planet and in harmony with this form of substance the supplies all and everything in this room even to this pm so if we are going to compete and beat somebody in business we lose out in gaining from this form of supply so the new process of life is to enter into the highest state of cooperation where we compliment each other by our abilities in marriages it became a high source of competition who's going to rule as soon as one rule there was a divorce some of them got wise they said let's cooperate let's share this thing in some type of equality basis and there's worked and people said how come yours worked so well he was the boss over here we're the boss when you give something to someone well let's look at this way you may want something and you think the way to get it is to take it from somebody else that is not the way to get it that one belongs to them that foremost substance created that form and therefore must grow substance create this other form and it put them together for its use and its benefit for others that you do not know anything about called their family their offspring their businesses but yours can still come in a whole other way because why it's infinite supply the supply was in front of me no thing nothing invisible as soon as you can see it you've got finite supply oh boy i know i almost out i know when you say you're almost out guess what you just programmed into this universal mind substance almost guess what you get out i don't want that i know you created  but i didn't know any better watch out you're plugging it in again these i better watch what i'm saying because i'm getting yeah right for a lot of people say bite your tongue there or my glad i didn't put that one out your to create not compete for what is already you are to create a new not compete for that the desire really created it may be yours and it has your name on it you'll get it in the law don't go take it somebody else may have their name tattooed on it in invisible ink in the police so we're saying become a cooperator not a competitor become one who has the team play rather than one who says i'll do it all i am the team i am the important one without me it's nothing people ask me to do things i say do you want  i can plug into the formless but i'm not going to plug into any more than your ability to receive and use it and you're going to demonstrate your ability to receive and use a by the actions of to put forward in order to get it it's so unfair it's not unfair otherwise we'd all be toads it's very fair gave us all difference the riches that are secured on a competitive basis are not secure because somebody else is coming after them those riches that are secured on a co operative basis will be maintained by the co operative otherwise it goes do not deal unfairly in your business dealings with anyone you can give to every man more than you take from him you can give to every man more than you take from him some of you read the way out book recently and some of said you should ask double the price most of there's nothing wrong with you donating double the price and they have because they said you gave more and that book then the value of the money and i'm getting more out of all the time some of said you should ask more for the discourse is everything because i'm getting so much more out of it and i say it's equitable it's equitable otherwise you're trying to take more from them and that is the competitive spirit of putting them down and keeping them in subservience that's called the tautologous government in the movement we have a cooperation a very high state of cooperation and we still have a lot of us who are still competitive on a lot of things and every time we have competitive we have a fight and somebody ends up losing that loser you've got to watch because we're going to wait to win and they're going to go after that thing they lost before so you know you're going to lose  you cannot give every man more and cash market value than you take from him but you can give him or any use value than the cash value he gave you this building you get more use value of any of the cash value you put in you get the idea the people center you will get more use value out of it then i'm sure the formal substance will have another age of some kind maybe you'll be called old age for the new age if you're selling any man anything which does not add more to his life than what he gives you an exchange don't take it stop because you're beating him in the business tell him no that's to have a price the principle then in work will be if you can't pay and more money you give them advancement in position this advancement position gives them a closer feeling of gratitude towards the company the job this feeling of gratitude this so deep that it touches closer to the infinite supply and that when you're promoted becomes a look at the source and the line of energy of new products into your business and you say my god you're valuable to me be on money i can't pay you what you're worth i don't know what to do and the person says give me opportunity to express productive gigantic genius of a person is now fired for lack of productive most because limitation became their model and stim instead of limitless and the freedom and infinite if you have gratitude alone for what you've got just thank god i've got a lot of god thank god i've had all the experiences that i've had because they've got me this far thank god for all of the people who have taught me some lessons were real dear and thank god for that that deep feeling and everything then just let gratitude become the measure and send it into the formless because gratitude is the key into it and gratitude given you the key to it gives you the supply add a vote which restores your faith in your ability and your faith takes a hold of you is dynamic energy and you start acting in life with the confidence of the hang around those people those people that tell you that this isn't so tell them to go someplace else because you'll find out it is so when you use these princip and since they don't know the principle the called all sorts of names other than what it is and they'll try to get you to buy into their limitation into their labeling and they'll give you a book to read to prove the book out you don't have time to read the book when you're tapped into infinite supply it keeps you busy it fills your mind it becomes your teacher it becomes a very breath that you move upon and it becomes really the beloved inside of you and the fulfillment and life becomes so gracious people are saying thank you for being my life people said to me i said don't mention one person said why i said i don't have a choice we're all tied together i can't get out of this and if i die i want in the foremost we're still stuck so i'm just going to work out here if i can get you to a higher level we can all go the same form and we can build it up there to maybe that's where the new age building is going to be  that's ok with me there's a lot of questions i have in my mind about that however but i'm not going to have an was that out nor skepticism though just questions aren't you going to deal with them know why because i don't have an answer so therefore i'll doubt it and i'm not going to do that to me and to my source and supply that's do i play the game do you want to results are stupid you do stupid things that what i keep doing stupid things because you keep doing stupid things when i ever learn i don't know try something else how do i try something else write down what you're going to do first think about see it see it working out there get a start moving up faithing is action moving your body have the feeling of gratitude see it claim what has been yours and keep going up for another words don't stop don't quit now what i've been telling you some of you guys have seen in basketball showers you know when there's never quit quitters never win well since this is the basketball game i don't know about that one but it might be a basketball game it just happens to have a whole different set of directives that we're dealing with maybe all we do is balance and each other around and maybe some of the things we do are pretty foul up there and maybe they're not maybe they just look that way maybe we learn from that what i'm trying to tell you is if you judge your source you will be judged by the source if your judgement is heavy it's going to come down heavy don't complain just start eating at just as much done why was that good plug in a good one plugin to another good one or why there's no reason not to the grateful mind is always fixed upon the best and that's going to give it keep that in mind it's going to get it when when it comes when the boat comes in what does a boat come in john rogers closing where it's where space ship in which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or right to that which is post office box five one three one three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for joining u was struck how beautiful the countryside is it reminded me a whole lot of green in china the way the mountains are very rounded so we went over from the temple and we met with a buddhist monk and who was in his orange garb with shaved head kind of their classic look and on the walls and on one side they had a number of he was talking to me that about their form of meditation and i told them a little bit about our form of better taishan and that we were just glad that we couldn't someway contribute at their time of need said well i would like you to come back and i said i would like to come back but there's a very welcoming consciousness a very caring consciousness  enjoyed that immensely go visit these islands that are very vertical but round they have caves that have been eroded from the ocean surges from the natural tides and you get sea canoes and you go in these dark caves for the waves and then there's a look goon on the other side and it's also vertical and nose or strikingly beautiful very unusual we could go into these lagoons and there it would just be two of us and in this quiet it's kind of quiet where and it's kind of experience to me that goes in deep and when you register it is a natural beauty a natural experience a kind of serenity that is i'd like to come back and i want to come back