has given seminars and workshops worldwide for and i say for the institute for individual and world peace and for other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives this program is intitled awareness is the key right after john back yeah oh thanks very much at least being on your show now let's see here you know we are talking about a lot of things one of the things you're talking about was the light and one of the things one of the practice is that sie is calling in the lighter calling ourselves forward into the light i thought might be interesting to if you would be willing to demonstrate just what that might look like and for those of us just tuning in it's the movement of spiritual inner awareness that too that we were for too long we do the a messiah a right reference sure let's do something that and it really is also calling ourself into the movement of spiritual inner awareness just for a moment it can be much more accessible when we allow our self to tune in so i'm closing my eyes just for this moment so i can be more aware of this inner awareness and i also allow myself to breathe in fully breathe out fulling and that's something you can do as a whole process and what i describe in words i visualize father mother god i asked for this light to surround protect and fill each one of us that we may know your truth and your love whatever is of any negative nature that this light lift and return it from what you came to give thanks for this blessing and for the opportunity to know more fully your will is being done so  we started talking about the movement of spiritual inner awareness and i have to take a little pause take a pause and it may go away again yes that's one of the the miracles of the light is that it knows what's best and we give ourself over to it and as a way of taking off whatever we thinks and then we may think well right now i need to do this and i do this and i'm calling in the light to help me with th situation and then we do that process and we find we're in a whole nother place that there's a new agenda maybe the new agenda is well i'm just going to relax right now or i'm going to take a moment  even though i think i can't do that because everything's so urgent i have to be up and i have to be doing when we understand how the the light is working it's working in perfect timing so our timing isn't necessarily in tune with that perfect timing and we may be thinking more late more actually early or thinking we're early we're actually late and the light has a way of bringing us more conscious to the perfect timing of things in the perfect ways that things are working and part of that awareness is to know that that's just the way it is all the time but there is a perfection in the way things are exactly as they are and what does that call upon us will doesn't call upon us to change things to go out and make them different go out and fix things and probably more often than not calls upon us to let things be and to be the consciousness that lets things be as they are so at the beginning of a busy day and i get down to my desk and i've got ten things on and you know several of them are for clients that are on deadlines for certain things how do i integrate what you just said in the sense of this what has to be done to be next and your cue maybe a little twitch in your toe and as a way of when do i know this is this is the one or this is the way how i how do i know that and it really and sounds maybe silly but if i say well it's for me to know and you to find out there is a reality in that that each of us has their own individual truth or individual way of knowing this very personal and we may share ways of knowing where we realize it's the same but we we may also find that it's very unique and individual so that your way of relating to what's really best right now could be quite different from my way of relating to what's really best and one of our our favorite by words in the moving of spiritual inner awareness is practice practice practice so i'm repeating obviously because the nature of how we work this process of tuning to the light of the highest good of all concerned and acting in accordance with this light is one of practice in finding how does that attunement function i find it always functions in a loving consciousness so if i if i am aware that i'm i'm rushed and i have a sense of urgency that's that at the very least yellow warning light going off you know or maybe some kind of ourselves forward to light to take that moment to to realize there is no urgency here and one of the great teachings is there is no word and see in the spirit or with the spirit but there is a sea in the world and there's a lot of urgency in the world and we live in the world pushing and pulling and rushing and struggling wrestling over you know who w ill prevails and who's going to dominate and etc and the reality in the spirit is there's a purpose for everything under heaven there's a purpose for everything and everything has a legitimacy so who are we to take it upon ourselves to decide that something should not be to rid ourselves of this or that or or to well i need to do this or this has to happen you know that consciousness is a deceptive consciousness it's not a reality of the spirit consciousness so when we find ourselves being influenced by it it's it's very important to read it tune to rebalance  in the moment of something that's very intense you know where we don't let's say have the opportunity to go inside in the closer eyes and and do an internal process how do we do that and that kind of moment like as you used as an example i come to the desk and there's ten items there all beckoning for my attention all saying now leora now how do i know which one is first and which one is second and i find that that's an internal process more of that that i would relate to intuitively than a well let's look at this logically let's see which one came in first well that may  work as a way of prioritizing of i'll just do the oldest item first but that isn't always what's actually up you know what's most important what really is now may not be the old aside and maybe the newest don't like the most or having those arbitrary rules while they may be good guidelines they really are something good i find dissolves in the spirit and the spirit is answered by here and now and it's not ruled by things of the world it's ruled by what is and that really is the answer is that you are to look upon those things on your desk and ask your self which one of you is first and be available to that answer and it may be something quite different than your mind would thing so that you can be aware of well i'm surprised that would be what prompts me this is first and then your mind might say well i want proof you know why is that first right i'd like proof in the world you know they told me they didn't need that till next wednesday and these three they want today why would i be doing something that's next wednesday why would that be first see that's the rational mind that's the mind that's limited in want to know intuitive mind may know if you do this now this is going to make everything else work in a perfect way in a perfect timing that really delivers to you what you're looking for what your prayers are it's that consciousness an opinion in my mind knows how to deliver opinions just like an automatic deal or you know it's just throws out opinions one after the other i have to have the will to know you know what's the difference between an opinion and what's the difference between what i know is so and that is it into my process a spiritual exercise and you're seeing that everybody everybody has the ability those things are part of the great mysteries of life i mean they're just what makes life fun as an adventure and i realize some people might say well i don't like adventures i like a sure thing right but see i want to sort of thing is like  a drop of water that keeps dropping and dripping and that's also known as not to be disparaging towards any culture culture but chinese torture you know that if you have the same thing happening over and  over you know that's probably something like hell to have things that are unpredictable in our spontaneous is really a sign that life is life is a dynamic event  it's something that's new brand new in this moment by having the intention to to have the attunement and part of that attunement is i look at the way things have come forward in this moment as a divine act an act of god you know and of course people say well who's god how do i know what god is and cycle would you be willing to consider the gods an invisible unknowable quality in the way that you experience it right now and to me that's rather obvious because that's how we're doing yeah so you know that would you be willing to entertain that the true nature of what it is the natural  reality of what it is is something that's unknown and invisible to you that's not a mistake but it's not on the label is that true well see that's that's one of the great mysteries you know how would we know if we don't know if it's unknowable how would we you see it's starts yeah spiraling and into something that's beyond conception and inconceivable but if we can allow it to be ok if you know i can sit here and say well such as we know such as it is i'm ok with it versus such as we know such as i don't like it i'm pissed off i'm mad if there's a god you know show up you know i'm going to punch him in the face because i don't like what he's doing or i don't like what it's doing and sure you have that volition and offer to need to take on that that approach and another approach is would you consider that things are ok the way they are including what you know and that have that attitude of openness and that's a spiritual exercise to to have  openness rather than to take a closed position this is what it is seeing anytime somebody takes a close position i can question things that how do you know that your challenge of the and and and we're going to be an ongoing argument because whatever you can present as evidence i can argue with it such is the nature of this world is there is nothing that is absolutely true in this world so where is it absolutely true in another world in a spiritual world so the movement of spiritual inner awareness is a process of being more conscious and being more aware of life in the spiritual world life as it is god creates it as is god as a source of it and that the reality of that is it's beyond what i'm conscious of it's beyond what i'm aware of so that's a spiritual exercise my willingness to move when i'm conscious of toward the invisible towards this unknown aspect so your i want to get clear on what you just said that it is possible to move our conscious awareness to know what's taking place on these levels other than the ones that we can see and touch and feel absolutely you know sometimes we use a reference point like what's called scripture the bible  greater reality of who we are and those reference points whether there are philosophical or there are great stories or something that's presented as this is the truth the want to know only truth the great truth of all truth however it's presented but it becomes a reference point and there are reference points like that but the ones that that really function are the ones that we can relate to and i don't mean just well i think  believe that that's how i relate to that i'll just adopt that idea and what i'm talking about when you relate to it is we can apply it and what are the benefits of apply it to what i mean we apply it into our choices in the way we live so that it becomes something that we find is functional it's a functional reality versus well i just believe it even though you know i don't know how to do things by faith  and what is faith i try to have faith and then i you know i doubt i'm going to get my next paycheck and i doubt i'm going to wake up tomorrow and my girlfriend still wants to be with me you know i don't have even fa you know you know what i'm talking about faith faith and and what and these are you know questions that prompt us to to discover you know who we are deep within and the way i look upon that is there is a reality there's a truth the transcends any form that you could refer to so if you said well what about this great master this great teacher or what about this great scripture here and i'd say well there is there's something that's independent of that whoever you want to refer to you know jesus christian buddha there's a reality that transcends their life that they were they were referring to something beyond themselves in every case and that the real great truth cannot be contained by a person or contained by a book or contained by a word that has an independent reality and that's something we can all celebrate that none of us can really control  it but can we access it yet as you say became we experience it some way and my experience is absolutely that it's absolutely available absolutely present to us and when we choose to have a greater relationship a closer intimacy with what that great living truth is something that i also would equate to god there's there is th source of truth living being source of the truth that we call god it's like well can you show me a picture of god or you know where is god live or you know  contact this guy and to me those are in a way silly kinds of questions because you know their lives you know all pervasive way you don't have to go anywhere  what i find as a functional reality in the way that this is working is that it's a sourcing inside that if if you were going to orient your life toward god and you said which way do i go do i go out or do i go in it's a go in and then of course the reality of how we function is we're both out and so we go in both directions you know we have an outer life we have an inner life but what i would  tell you is the primary source of that knowing is inside and so what's the what's the benefit or the values of contacting that as it expresses outward in the before it's how it's like it's really something to put in a primary position so good question and very important question now that the how part becomes individual but let's say is there a way that we can all share that works universally and what works universally is the intention and cycle how do i get the intention  does god give it to me somehow yeah that's my experience that god does prompt us god does back and call us to have this greater knowing of who we are as a as a god being as an offspring of god how do you see that happening in your life when god beckons to you how do you recognize that you recognize well you know it's like let me count the ways and then which one answers the question it's something that i would refer to  holy and sacred there's a quality of when i am aware of the recognition of god in the divine that i would call holy and an inspiring occurrence there's something awesome you know it's often been referred to at least in the way the western judeo christian way of looking at it like there's this fear of god put the fear of them and you know what i understand about that warden even in terms of the meaning of the origins of that word as it's come forward into an english word for years that it was much more about the beyond comprehension powerful beyond anything that we we know like there's nothing more powerful than i think god and  and and yet it comes across not as some you know you know large and coming over the top of the mountain like look how big god is you know look how great god is but much more is  an awesome feeling like you know someone might say well i was in the earthquake and i felt the power of god i you know i just went on my knees because i felt this power but wasn't really in the shaking was it in the earth moving and i find no it was beyond that but somehow the shaking and the earth moving was getting me aware of this awesome power of this power that is beyond anything i could know that it could change my life in an instant and yet it doesn't tend to do that in earthquakes it kind of reminds me it could do that it could squash me if it really wanted to but somehow it's more than that that doesn't really explain it that it somehow could disintegrate me or do something like that you know it's interesting i mean because we're i'm going with a lot of things you're saying is it seems to me the lot of us or maybe i just speak for myself it seems like i spend my time attempting to harness god's awesome power to do my will and by sending the light like we're talking about before even praying for things that i want and that i think i want and it almost seems like that's a backwards approach and i was i think about it from what you're saying you know i find the relationship to god as an anything goes in all things possible and when you think start really considering like how does that translate like well you'll be moved wherever god wants to move you whoever is with you that could change whatever you look like whatever body you're in like one moment you're breathing one moment you're not breathing that's certainly the power of god and that's one of the powers that people when they start getting close to it like the power of life or death it's has an awesome quality about it like what is that render s flesh alive yeah how does that work explain that to me and i don't think it's been explained i think that we've been allowed to to see some details about how it functions and works in that that's extremely powerful in itself to look upon natural laws and physics and science and that kind of thing that that we can observe how things function but but how it really does that how does the life force come into a flash how to you know two cells can join in this tiny microscopic level and become a living walking human being and explain that in this not really explainable but by this awesome power that is beyond our comprehension this when we start considering this we might want to get to know it better like is there an opportunity to to be more aware and be more conscious of whatever it is the power in life  and whatever tools are available in if if reading scripture does that for you then by all means read the scripture or if sitting at the foot of somebody and  yes well i look at religious is as something that's a generic quality like guidance or alignment when you say what is religious i'd say what is alignment what is guidance what is purpose then we're starting to look at what is religious and and it really to me is that it's finding the relationship in life that brings us into our fulfillment so that we fulfill what we came here to do and and finding that alignment then our life starts becoming more fulfilling and when it becomes more filling fulfilling blessings just are occurring that that's that's a sign like when are we being fulfilled when the blessings started occurring in ways we cannot contain so our cups are running over and the blessings are going everywhere in every way and our life is a blessing to all so what's a blessing you know this is such a great set up and i know it's more spontaneous than it's intended but you've just finished reading a book the blessings already are in it which of i'm relatively familiar with how would you define a blessing but it's a blessing it's something like being kissed by god you know it's it's it's an occurrence in our life that clearly represents something greater has now happened it's now manifested it's moving from the unmanifest from what was potential what was a possibility and now it's done  and the title of the book is the blessings already are which is the say the blessings are done and people you know i hope people will want to know well what do you mean by that seems like now what do you mean but thank you thank you it was an inner voice i was following that god has issued the blessings and whatever it is that we really would want  for ourselves to have our life be fulfilling to have it be satisfying and happy joyous and complete that it's all done it isn't something like well when you know like well you know my ship's going to come in but when and they haven't even built the ship in fact they don't have the plans yet you know it's on back order the guy's a drunk he's not even working these days on the plan so you know people have that sense and i think it's easy to have a sense of futility when our focus is on the struggles and the difficulties when our focus is on the blessings good things follow it when we are aware of everything that occurs is a blessing everything that  blessing yes ok and you know that i'm sure can provide a great challenge to it for any of us to realize like how could everything possibly be a blessing some things hurt some things you know are  difficult very challenging how could those things be a blessing in whatever occurs there is something good something that's useful for our our personal growth and the personal i'm really referring to is who we are as a consciousness of soul as a divine being and everything becomes useful to that part of us it serves as a way of knowing the truth of how things are and that and i don't look at this just as well then we have this great burden so that no matter how painful and disturbing life is then we just have to go well it's all meant to be the lord knows what's best because that you know that can be something that's you know just a declaration and not really substance in the way that we know it when i'm really referring to is the true knowing that all things bring about good the true knowing but how do you get to a place of how do you get to a place of truth knowing how  i get to a place of true knowing where there is this thing called faith ok and trust and and you know it's something that as we look at religion or as we look at the movement spiritual in awareness where we're going to run across this idea of being faithful having a trust in what's being done has god's will and god's hand and what i mean by that is design that there is a design it isn't like there was some mistake or oh this is god punishing us for being bad or evil it's it's functioning as a process of upliftment growth and as we allow ourselves to entertain that even though we might say i don't believe this and that's not what it looks like to me just to be open ok if there is something good about this occurrence will you show me can you make it known to me but it's also the faith that would say and if i'm not to know if it's really best not to understand that i will accept that you might say well you're some kind of fool you know you're you're like a pollyanna you're you know you're just somebody who's brown nosing god and trying to get in god's good side and you don't really think that everything god's doing is really good to you don't you understand you know god screws up and you know mistakes are made innocent people die and nerds and what about all the children come they deserved to have that happen to them and you know all those questions and what my knowing of god  that i abide on and serves as my foundation it is as i have had an experience of seeing all things as much as i can see all from and seeing the good and seeing the perfection in what it is and it has a lasting value which is it allows me to move through the times when i don't see it when i don't understand it so it's my faith which is going on not something that's in my conception or comprehension like i don't comprehend i don't understand well then how can you you know feel good how can you still go on amidst all this tragedy because this faith that's writing knowing inside and knowing that transcending these circumstances these circumstances do not negate what i know to be true in  mother and what i call my heart i know it to be so and i'm i'm writing upon that that there is a purpose to this there is a design and it is not a punishment design it's not about the devil's going to have his day it's not about that it's about there's a learning going on here there's a bouncing action going on here and there's a benefit to those and you know often my place is not to understand or not to comprehend in my place is to get in roll my sleeves up and do what i can to lift the situation to maybe to comfort someone or comfort myself how do to lay it on me i mean literally if if a person i don't know how to do it a couple does this just do this something that and i'm not talking about you know like you're freezing or you're in shock or something i'm talking about that you would like embrace yourself just put your arms around yourself and inside really let that be like someone who adores you would come and put their arms around  in just one of the touch you in that i adore you i love you you're safe with me and i'm so happy to be with you that consciousness and  to do that for yourself and so it's a comforter you know when when jesus talked about i will leave you with the comforter and that was referred to as the whol spirit that is the consciousness that embraces this just as we are and that embrace touches us with a mother's love like and i'm talking about you know the archetype of mother mother that would love you no matter what care for you go to the ends of the earth to provide for you not that that isn't also a father's love that's the father's love to it's  was soon as i said that i realized well it could but often it's a process of just holding and holding as what has been her heels and you know we might want  or even demand the healing to be instantaneous michael you know but the reality is there's a learning process going on often when the disturbance happens there's  why you know and really screaming out of calling out why and there isn't the answer there is no why and the pain is not knowing the why why what's the purpose in this that's really that's through the why question you know i don't get the purpose i don't get the goodness about what this is and you know part of that can be well in the and if you can understand that you know you you took on something that you had to to let go of you had to detach from whether it was a belief or it was a past action that in some way came forward now at this time to come back through as it was an experience and yes it's painful but that's the nature of what that is is there were attachments there were  beliefs that are not so that are not in keeping with with god's will god's unconditional love so this that was not unconditional loving is now being dissolved and and dissipated through suffering is that the is that the purpose of our suffering gets our attention sure does do that and when it gets our attention that you know really what's important to ask is ok you got my attention what is it i am to know what is it i am to learn here right so what's that prize is just saying sitting down saying ok what am i to learn here is that the process that can be the process you know there are others yeah there are there whatever presents themselves i mean and and i really mean that i'm not just not interested in you know be trite or superficial here i really mean that it's important to  attention to what is presenting itself well the pain that really hurts and i'm really suffering i'm really bothered i'm really feeling betrayed it's all right and and and what is that about  what is it that you want to demand desired believed that hurts is now shattered by what has happened what is that belief ski season coming up i mean what you're saying here so i mean is that indication that often the pain is attachment to beliefs of some sort yes but you might say what about bodily pain i mean are you trying to tell me that if if you know the flesh is cut or battered or whatever that that's always about emotional pain you know it can really be the reality of what would goes on in the world in physical ways that there are things that do hurt physically and and say well what is that about might be just simply watch what you're doing and go well that's a very rude way to tell me to watch what i'm doing and saying well if you would have been paying attention before because this is not the first time you knew about this lesson in life that it's very important to pay attention it's very important to watch what you're doing it's very important that you're not going and doing things disregarding what you know is best i'm sure like overriding the  signposts and people i think when they find there's pain into servants or they're going to find a track record that shows where you were being true to yourself you were doing things you know just to go along or because you didn't want to hurt somebody's feelings or there's going to be all these things where if if we really look if you were paying attention and you were being true to what you know you wouldn't have gotten into this you think if people really were conscious and were really paying attention all the time that there would be no suffering in their life let's take a leap of faith ok and that's i mean that's where you just like boy i don't know what you're talking about in a direct way  says yes that there is an opportunity for us to go to a place where there is no suffering and you might say while we're in this world you know is that possible and and the answer of those presents itself in my faith in my trust is yes that we can manifest that reality here and say what would it be a world like what we know and i'm you know i get probably not almost invariably no the world itself would need to change but i don't know about you but i've had dreams where i had you know accidents where i fell from high places and it didn't hurt  o what world was that was that a dream world was is that fantasy or was that a reality to worlds exists where you have collisions you you do things like you do in this world in this world hurts in that world that doesn't hurt  maybe it's just an occurrence maybe it's just a learning and how could we transfer that and i think we all have a big big job to learn how to process the bumps and the errors and the things we don't want in this world in such a way as we minimize the suffering and that's and you're suggesting that that's through awareness that's what you're saying before as i read hundred yard think awareness is that the great key to resolving everything so how do we gain greater awareness is that just a process of invention what is awareness awareness is attention and and  just attention but it's like is your attention upon what is serving you where have you placed your attention that and that to me is where you're going to find the real differences and those who exercise wisdom and those who are exercising foolishness and and things that don't work by paying attention and abiding in what we know being true to what  works and what works can be a very as it's been called straight and narrow path like we always have to do that the same way and then there's the law for all kinds of other choices well yes it allows for those other choices and you get what they're there lesser choices lesser because they don't because they don't have the blessings in the goodness of the greatest choice that if if we were to consider all the choices we would likely find that the vast majority of the choices available are lesser choices they don't have the goodness in the blessing of certain choices that are present available if i were to say to you eat right  my things i shouldn't need and we start hearing an age old story very calm very human but the idea is well do you understand that there's a value in paying attention to what you eat and that if you just eat anything there could be a price you could literally poison yourself you know if i you know had a jew a glass of arsenic and i said here drink this it's arsenic and you go well  you know certain amount and dennet go now that's ok eat it see it in their wisdom would be saying no i'm not going to do that so to what degree do we carry that forward so that we're eating right and there's lot to me there's a larger eating right that has there is more powerful in what we eat is thoughts and emotions than what we eat physically that you know if you really want to be healthy and vibrant paid more attention to what are you eating in your thoughts in your emotions that's going to get you greater health than what you eat physically but it's not saying don't worry about what you eat physically and so you know you you should watch what you eat physically you should watch what you eat in every way one of the primary recommendations is to do something called spiritual or chanting the sacred names of god for a fairly significant chunk of time each day and so i mean it seems like that relates to what you were just saying about what you eat and that's and that's eating on the spiritual to me is that how does that work well how does that how does doing spiritual exercises chanting relate to you know making my life better it's a it's a mechanistic way of having a spiritual transformation  i mean the mechanism is let's call it asking for the light placing yourself in the light then as a process of extending then we take something we refer to as a tone or name of god and then you you say that but you don't say it outwardly well sometimes you do but the deeper greater connection is what we refer to as the initiatory tones ok you say those silent inwardly and that mechanism then has a way of taking you into the awareness in the consciousness that is of your soul and of the spirit or of the the divine nature of god do one two four six may work try it out check it out see maybe more better for you what we know is one two three four is the mechanistic approach that will give you the greatest opportunity to have your spiritual transformation spiritual transformation into what butterfly well let's say that you're not your body ok i'm not my body you're not your body i mean and death is the greatest prove or of that so that's my evidence and see we could go into a long process of discussing that but i'm just going to stand  like there it is and if you're not your body then what are you and some people would say well you know when when the body dies that said it's over lights out there isn't a thing more that that isn't my experience and that's not my my faith and trust so we go on beyond the body so while we are in the body we have an opportunity to be more attuned to ourselves as a flesh goes along more directly like well is there some kind of checklist like you know while in this world i need to have a job to do in a susan done with the job i get to go kind of that's kind of a crude way of looking at it but it works you know that there that we do have something to fulfill as a spiritual being and that we have experiences that are on purpose that as we have those experiences they will i will transform myself spiritually in jail and everybody's going to die and you get born again yeah already and then it will no longer be necessary for me to tomb body because i will have fulfilled what i came do in the flesh right that that's true so as long as that's an eventuality would you be interesting in an early out plan like the one to involves your cooperation your dedication your sacrifice that you won't be able to do all the things you may have also got to do in the long term plan you're going to cut out certain things especially what we would refer to as the repetitive kinds of experiences things you've already done if you've already done that you know really fun maybe you're getting little value out of it some by you but relative to what you could get if fields direct yourself in the more on purpose experiences that that we call soul transcendental kinds of experience and now even with the spiritual exercises the mechanistic approach we take there's a place where it's diminishing returns meaning no you're not here to just get into a lo position all day long and then you you die kind of thing you know you're here to move about to have other experiences beyond you know partaking in the inner transformation which is good because we're here to have other experiences than to continue this particular conversation right now so we'll hope you'll join us for future conversations with john morton and see where they go next thanks john you're welcome where is shared with us just a small part of the abundance of material about soul transcendence available through m s i eg if you would like a free booklet about john morton and m s i call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine book that's one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can e mail us at w w w dot m s i e a dot au argy or write to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles 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