who again you are an inspiration because of everything and i appreciate the commitment you put and the dedication put to making each of whom goes for you and your of your get your inspiration to a whole bunch of people also and a welcome welcome very much to remember talk about what that that means but we want to do a program together for a long time we finally able to put it together alan welcome very much your conversations i love to be in conversation with you here on new realities is about consciousness how we are now at a level in our culture we're learning to think differently and many things are impacting on this new thought like the internet now we at our fingertips are all the whole knowledge of the world is that that's going to change the way we think about reality and we're going to see the effects of that change in this next generation ten to twenty years is going to be new inventions and new ideas coming forward that we could not have imagined before because we are actually living in a new reality we really are but new realities for me also has to do with the whole body mind spirit connection you know in the west we have the body in the mind that's it so art but with the soul of the spirit it's the operator so it take a computer you have the hardware and the software but what do you need to operate a hardware and software you need someone to operate that computer that is the soul that is the spirit so in the east and we can learn this from the soul though there limited in some areas they had the trilogy they had the body mind soul so it was the soul's essence that gave power to the mind that operated the hardware the mind is just the software application but it is the spirit that is the operator of the bio computer you don't have an operator without the spirit because that makes sense that is also the understanding of new realities and where we're coming into now is the science of understanding spiritual technology this is also what i look for we're coming into an age of spiritual recognition this is what's called the age of aquarius a new age or new consciousness or you potential we're building towards that new reality where those people who said can only believe what i see are outdated other people say it's only what you can't see that is real you know so this is the age of spiritual consciousness that we're coming into and we're really at the this is all contributing to aspects of thinking differently we have to think different we have to ask new questions because the old questions are outdated the old questions give us people like george bush running the government or the pollution in the environment those were the old questions the idea of asking new questions new ideas how can we have a sustainable planet how can we have a government that is for the people and by the people we've lost touch because they're living out of an old reality government politics is in the way of the people's will and even we see this in madison mainstream medicine has got in the way of people's health for the most part there are more people dying in hospitals and being cured not more but a lot the one million a year they estimate are doing from bacteria they gad may know about practice it's everything it's an awful place and education has got in the way way of knowledge because it's become institutionalized so we need to create new structures in the society and we do that by asking you questions things always change when questions when new questions are being asked when copernicus said what if the earth wasn't the center of the universe what if the earth was rotating around the sun that opened up a whole new doorway of possibilities when i said what if i was travelling at the speed of light how would reality be different and because he did that more things unfold and we have a whole new field of physics because einstein asked a new question and you asked new questions when this divine inspiration when creativity comes through you it's only through creativity and this is what i've been really talking about creativity as people like ezra pound said the artists are the antennas of the race or marshall mcluhan says the artist is the only one looking into the future everyone's looking out where we came the mirror and yes artists are looking out of the front window because they're seeing the future come they're actually bringing the future in so when we acknowledge our artistic and creative connection to the source we bring in new ideas that's the creativity of in engaging a new reality and that's what's so important to acknowledge his creative imagination in order to bring new information to the planet gives us new choices the ability to ask questions and so instead it's the questions that matter it's not so much the answers and when we do that we activate this one right brain perception as opposed to living out of the left brain ego  ego and tap into who we possibly are because i think this right brain is tapped into that spiritual connection so it is all coming together to build the new power the time i mean it was on your show that i heard paradigm in the paradigm you're living new thought is not allowed it's denigrated it's made fun of it's laughed at so another new reality that we're coming into is the idea that we're not alone in the universe there are extra terrestrials there are hundreds of thousands of witnesses there's thousands of videotapes tens of thousands of photographs there's tracings on the ground and yet people are being laughed  publicly if they acknowledge the existence it's because the old power dime does not have a place for it with because they're really coming out of detail christian background this extension of the th century into saying no we only have this creation god only created this is what we know and the end standing that there are extra terrestrials means that the universe and consciousness and life itself is not limited to this planet and means that we have abilities to power new technologies everything comes on line when we accept the anomalies that are presented to us instead of really cuing it what else did marshall clune said about puny secrets are only brought in the future so i'm saying this understanding of the acceptance that we are not alone in the universe is going to change the consciousness of who we are as the isolated countries  to talk about that where i've interviewed a biologist bruce lipton or my show who talked about the understanding of evolution as a point of singularity then diversifying into many going back to the singularity so right things because i heard a lot of things there you know spiritual tradition that sort of thing and then i've heard a lot of science and physics and that sort of thing but if you if you just sit back a little bit and you look at that because you talk about spirituality and you're talking about some of the masters of wisdom out of history and so forth buddha jesus and the great sages out of the wisdom traditions and so forth the  you try to lessen with those traditional spiritual maybe we could begin there the traditional spiritual values by which humanity has been able to deal with the reflective conscious they seem to have about asking questions about the way the universe is set up what's it all about the large issues those basic grounding wisdom schools are things you like to lay assan with maybe could begin with that before we talk about the transformations that is being harold in this particular time in which we live grounded in their wisdom traditions of the age and well that's good that's a good place to start because those wisdom traditions are no are now becoming a public conversation spirituality is becoming accepted all around not in a religious sense the old religions are sort of  but in the sense that we are spiritual beings so when jesus talked about what buddha talked about is the essence of who we are beyond the body moving to the principles and engaged earth the principles put forth in those w generations and centuries and millenia or are they to be just simply abandon and put on the dust around of history i'm not saying they are to be abandon all i'd say though it was ground with no i'm saying those truths are the foundations that we build a new spiritual culture out of those truths are still applicable all of them everything loud suzi all seem to say the same thing well exactly and so that's why in the west of the technology because of the access to information people can now bring those ideas that same ideas that you are not just your body that we are consciousness out into a public conversation that is why people like world now is a our political leaders have ignored those traditions and have throughout the human and have except to meet someone like dennis kucinich is the only politician i have a man yeah i met and interviewed yeah who talks about multi dimensional someone talking about multi dimensional so these politicians like george bush or even some of the democrats or even hillary clinton they give lip service to our sort of pseudo spirituality as did differences between east and the spiritual traditions between let's say the vedic but and then the western one is let me tell you what how i understand that your phrase is that in the west they say there's only one way of knowing and that's a linear logic zero develop one plus two plus three in the east they say perhaps there are other ways of knowing that i'm not logical there's a organic intuitive way of knowing that's not going to be emotional everything is thoughts and logic and the right have a sphere says no that's feel let's feel it's the feminine side of us let's be more artistic let's tap into the way things are flowing  let's let's look at the whole a holistic ideas come in because we're tapping now into the understanding of that if you're taking the right hemisphere to the outside to it as being whole than that would be inclusive of the left as well goes through a system the system and closing it all including inclusive of all can say gritty well talked or ten separate you got east and west you know i have a better description of all inclusive but you have attentional integrity east and west male female they come together they are hunting in a synergistic resonating something more than the sum of course they do you know how what explains that to me is that if you take the young symbol there's another dialectic we've got our history x or dialectic but in that dialectic includes culture have been dominated by the analytical logical understand linear linear we ignore the holistic view of things as as a cultural civilization you would associate that with the male so when you incorporate the feminine to it in space show we no longer see the trees just the trees we see the forest that is the difference but within this on the dialectic of the of china we get the unit inside the young and the young inside the yin which creates that synergy that voter was talking about well it was a ten segregated yes it was built into the structure of the universe but but i think that the chinese understood even more they were pretty wise weren't well they are pretty large zero and where integrating the philosophies of the east into the west to give us this holistic movement of human potential if we were to ignore that you know you'd be on a crash course to destruction and that's a very dangerous when you pay attention to that in your work you pay attention those ancient wisdom traditions of the same time you're thinking about new science and so forth and the new realities are emerging new reality even if you're surrounded in the traditional courses in new reality is incorporated in the things we've thrown out from the left brain way of viewing incorporating the right guy and so we can be both left and right but you can't just be white brained either why point is chaos in it's it's the totality but you need to have the ego defined as self in order to have to reckon within that chaos it's time and space left brain time right brain space i know we are all kinds of  you with maybe you look like my father who all the feelings that come up with me when i'm lou king at this projection of reality as suggested by this other way of looking at the world which is symbolises symbolic so we're constantly looking at the world through these two different parts of our brain all the time it's just that the left brain has over ridden this other feeling emotional capacity it's interesting the way it by a camera mind was developed you know it's really interesting because and then you cast back to the ancient wisdom traditions but then you can cash in the sciences opening up understanding of things if you're in a condition of ignorance in terms of what we've come to know scientifically and so forth it's a very different way of confronting the environment than if you have some understanding of it and if you go back further we begin to get an idea of the evolution we're part of a biological evolutionary process we're coming out of a by we're all in a sea of bacteria we're all interrelated in ecological context with the with the with the whole you mention gaia that it's almost can be seen as like an organism and so we go back and then you can go back to a singularity because there was a time on itself the non low this is a new reality the non local new reality good this is the non local dis of our consciousness the fact that we can connect consciously or you can actually tap into the way someone else is thinking and brain and the label mirror neuron where they can do that now so there's these things that humans hom resonance means that all of us all of us creatures are basically the same form humans and have a field of consciousness that were tapped into when that field learn something new when field is impacted with new information it's if the critical mass is reached that understands this new information that new information will then be passed through this morphogenetic field to all of humanity well all of humanity or they did it critical number of rats and then then they took rats that were are not related new to and they were labeled to quicker than the ones that originally did it same intelligence except this was in the morphogenetic field of the rat the same thing with the four minute mile know the guy simon newcomb said that it was impossible to have a heavier than air machine fly i mean how is that possible to hit a member and you know the wright brothers all the right oh i see that i was thinking of a journey even when  brothers came out and they were able to fly you know the newspapers said it was impossible and teddy roosevelt it was only after he did test but most people said if we if this was possible surely we would have heard about it and no one had heard about it because and some of those paintings that that really wrecked havoc on people's sense of identity when they were told that they were not the center of the universe the catholic church only let galileo off the hook about ten revolution and there is evidence our government has tons of document project blue book j l and heinecke with someone who worked for the air force and still he says until he started to investigate u f o s he said you know what there's something and actually di bunkum until you realize that there was something to it well think about it for a minute if carl sagan had that thing set and they had that great series cosmos and so forth intelligence that might exist and to posit these these u f o s from another realm is huge like you say transformation if that's the case it is the can we just think you think we're the only part i mean you know what i think that's what's buckman quote you he says whether the universe where there were alone in the universe or whether the universe is full of life both idea as are staggering centered so you think it's time we had another copernican revolution where we're no longer seen as a center of the universe a boastfully and psychologically so you think it's pro theory since we were experiencing you know they got a telescope do you realize they got a telescope now what's it called there was wilkinson and they were able to take a picture of the  than a nd of the now that's an incredible ability to take the measure of the broader universe but you know that's a lie because they're only photographing the visible universe you know that ninety five percent of the universe is made of dark energy so they're only photographing fire the shockwave of the big bang now you may not think you heard use terms like singularity and that kind of thing and that's important but if that idea of the big bang is correct it seems to be accepted by a lot of people the ability to take the measure of things is increasing so exponentially you down to where you should be able to take the measure of things like that and they've reached out and they're trying to see if there is life and certainly just things that are coming available to us but they have not yet had as far as i know outside of the body of evidence called u f o they've not had anything and carl sagan was reaching seti they've not got anything yet no wait a minute is not is scientifically able to be explained and understood by people of life other than on this rd planet within the solar system yet the you know why because it's not in th all that they have in rd encounters or that there are like there are civilizations that are there in other we're all right and yonder even our solar system or something and that why would they be so i'd like to get to that i'm not sure but it would be but then on another level i was thinking of one in the shower and i was thinking well yeah if there if there was that if there were something to that it really would be in a certain sense and did it have to be terribly wise and they would have to be terribly knowledgeable people that were able to is also something that they would have to be wise enough to know that that in there would have to be aware of the fact that there is and a form of intelligence that in the normal course of understanding the evolution of consciousness can be understood within the normally accepted paradigm you want that so that let me finish so then if they did that then they would normally they would not do out so it has to come and that would make some sense out of this slow parody like that is developing and it couldn't come that all at once because all men would be blinded by the by that relevant and it may be emerging now while it's slow because people aren't ready to accept it because they might be overwhelmed by the exactly right so that might be why let's say from their standpoint if there's if this as an honors creature from another realm or something that would be the reason that they would be dazzling us gradually because it would be too much to do it all at once you're absolutely right and the other key is that we need to come together as a unit with a of focus where we are right there not a big turn when we recognize each other's differences and embrace it like all the fingers of your hands are different but they all come together to form more power this is where we are the critical stage of our political cultural history to recognize to acknowledge differences and to accept them and come together as a unifying force why should we come together as a unified force when we have not done that through all of human because that's what evolution is about look at europe europe as a single economy look how abundant they are the planet in order for it to transcend scarcity which you've talked about a lot that's on the other he needs to come together as a singularity so we need so we know what parts of this great earth needs to be fed there needs to be a singularity we have a technology like that you like you like james lovelock and the idea that the earth is an organism in a certain sense no you use that term i use that a lot now and we show this clip has metaphysical overtones and blick ations of what i'm talking about as a singularity of humanity metaphysical metaphysical and physical understandings this is where my i have another dialectic and all these are unified there is a can we live in a dialectic because of the two parts of our brother is there a part of reality that is matter to the normally understood consciousness of homo sapiens but is not tied into the ontology of the universe as most of your religious traditions try and do that is an altered reality it's not the whole of the universe and a spiritual thing and god and so forth but it is that is the meadow where that is the mad ego state because you're witnessing your own thoughts that's a very good question i'm glad you had what i think is the answer so when you drop out of this conscious left brain linear thinking when you constant moving back to another not electic that it is that's come out of history in a certain sense in the way of getting into touch with the higher states of so called enlightened or higher states of consciousness the biggest dialectic is the one that goes from the one to the many to the one to the metaphysical and this unification of consciousness holding on to been telling us for a long time that there are no academic disciplines in reality that reality is a seamless web and i think it's becoming obvious that that's a true so we shouldn't probably be talking about biological but i understand what you sound in a who larger community coming together to share a weariness to create one living organism and be called humanity ok we are not humans and to recreate humanity we're we create humanity which is what we all recognise that we're all cells in the same living organism and we're going to coherent fashion we had then created the next level about lucian the evolution is not on the the equivalent of the communication system my which almost cells in my body are coherent so that we have an ability for all the cells in our new human body the human organization humanity to communicate with each other and share information process and we reached a point where there were these singularities like you're saying that that that that metaphor you had about there's one hundred trillion cells and a human organism and they all work as a system and they're all overlay with the design d n a and they work as a system and it's constantly changing is just it's just a constantly changing situation and then that thing it's a little dangerous when you start getting dangerous or interesting when you start talking about new realities and so what you're trying to open up on is not a new reality of republican democrat or man woman or something it's a new reality in terms of the evolution of consciousness and it is interesting you're talking about seti or reaching out for signs of life in a life you know even life there's no we do not know at least outside of the things that come from conjuring of consciousness and so forth or projections of thought that what might be or u f o site that's what outside of that sort of thing we don't have a scientific contact with life anywhere else in the universe or part of the common understanding isn't it ok i'll go with you that night so it's a new reality and then the question becomes what are we talking about when we talk about a new reality we've been here a singularity at least an understanding mi necessarily a physical world the physical world will exist we're talking about ways of thinking yeah that's what produces a reality right you know a one hundred there was a new reflective consciousness contained within this punctuated coming into a new relationship in terms of the universe at these times in which you and i speak we absolutely are why now why not one thousand nine hundred why not seven thousand nine hundred why now in this year of two thousand and seven let's say what is there characteristic of the condition in which we find ourselves now that heralds such this what are the evidences for it or what are the what are the are the the metaphors that  offered to give an understanding that this is like punctuated equilibrium or a birth say we've been gestating we've been gestating in a certain consciousness and a gestation is within the womb you're gestating within the womb and you're about to leave the womb you're about to come into a new relationship and what is there about this time in which you and i sit and talk that is different from two hundred thousand years of level i say us no let me finish i'm almost on the metal level but not going to the spiritual things that have been the legends and things by which mankind has lived and tried to understand the broader realities in terms of a lot of those wisdom traditions you subsume them but you don't accept them at face value as ontologically explaining the whole universe but short of that what has transformed in a let's say begin at a materialistic level that makes this time different than all of human history in the evolution of consciousness part of universe while not going to totally leave out the spiritual dimension but just go on the physical level it is what bruce lipton said is the internet the fact that we like mcluhan said live in a global village there's nothing that goes on anywhere on the planet that we sitting in our living rooms would not know about if we cared to instantly that creates a new mechanism a feeling  of a global humanity that's just a very social lived understanding of our connection to each other so there's a unity of consciousness that comes together because of something like the internet that's just one thing now that  we are bringing in new information so perhaps we are here to help evolve the earth itself but you're talking about metaphors and symbols well throughout history they've used things like astrology mustard seeds mustard seeds astrology  sun of the winter solstice which is the alignment of the earth and the sun also aligns with the galactic center which they call the galactic center is the black hole at the middle of our milky way galaxy it's a dark patch of plane of the galactic and that creates a unification in consciousness that now if you believe some aspect of astrology or that it stimulates a new way of understanding turns mechanical talk to  end of history because the dialectic between capitalism and socialism would come to an end in capitalism and one but the dialectic actually becomes unifying capitalism socialism is just another metaphor for explaining this unification of point one of the things you said technology is an extension of consciousness into the environment and we have a unique capability of being able to do that in terms of the other creatures you know that you  extend your technology and make the world different than in an even like sense is a given by which most of the creatures confront the environment in which they find themselves and so we can make a difference and we've made it that now we've been so clever at being able to do that and then the political working out and all that kind of stuff and we've got it now to the point where this some that bring up that we now have a history has evolved come to a certain point got six billion five hundred million we're heading for ten billion this planet and we have a technological capability that has changed exponentially in the time which you and i live in one thousand nine hundred and forty five it was not possible we had two atomic weapons have come out of special clear of relativity and so forth one went on hiroshima and one went to nagasaki and that was all they had at that time we now have weapon systems apparently mature kaku and others will tell us and people who understand that we have weapon systems which we were impotent in terms of their capability as recently as the nd world war that they have weapons systems now that are evolved and are existing worrying on hair trigger alert that if they were to be unleashed in a spasm of hatred as we have exhibited against one another throughout all of human history one power against another it would apparently and you can only model it mean that it would destroy the entire home annoyed lie that's why you talk that hebrew do you think that's a true capability you're talking about  it is metta to the normal reality know what you're talking about you're talking the truth is that weapons can destroy and the understanding of these ancient wisdom traditions the foundation of all of that was love so if we start to integrate the to look so strange when oh i didn't understand what love love the compassion this is what jesus and the original form of christianity stood for the fact that we can now transcend all that fear are impotent now on the side of that materialistic seeing of things what is the reality is there a technological reality that we can transcend a certain condition that lead to war that is not being recognized because it is a paradigm going to blow up our snowy our leaders our liberation and if you had liberation and you had you still got people living on less than a dollar a day they can't realize anything like that potentiality we have a technologically augmented capability  only human compassion along with that technology defeat everywhere in the world because we have the capacity to do that not only feed but you have an old age to will just say and then we will have if we have humanity liberated like an orchestra where everybody's resides in the potential there will be a residency that will endure accommodate us to universe without any flying saucers or with or with or maybe s ration will run out of luck that last point that you know because that is really the essence of what you were that would be a new reality that would introduce us to a new relationship in universe transcendent i would say the odds are we're going to destroy a problem