welcome to back story with joan goldstein i'm joan goldstein my guest today is someone who wants to share his thoughts about politics the democratic convention and a lot of other things that maybe we should be paying attention to my guest is named dino rossi right and he has run for congress three times three times wow he has run for governor two times and he has run for congress what i would actually venture congress about three times did you run for congress about three times a year a man who wants to get in there and try to do something and what you know why you why do you want to go into government in this way what do you what do you hoping to achieve well i never really intention to be a problem a politician a lot i never wanted to run for office in two thousand to run because i thought that you know we decided that we could bring in more membership to the socialist party usa if we put more candidates out so i ran on a lark i put myself up for office just once i found out i was good at running for office the reason why i keep running for office two is i get tired of the protest protests are good but they don't really achieve anything you know generation after generation we have a protest w worker march completely and the fact of nothing's changed the occupied movement was great but there's a mystery why they stopped usually when we have a revolution we take it to the end of what they should a vision of god buses to get everybody to converge on washington and requests change with it do that they just stopped rolled up the tents and said it was just a beautiful expression we don't need beautiful expressions what we need is a revolution that works and the revolution that brings change and people such as myself need to run for office i may not be the best available can they find a job but least i say something i've got a lot of attention on my words ok so let's talk about some of these things that you say that what are your words and i know you are from the district of south jersey correct right the second district second second district in south jersey which includes salem and cumberland county problems for closures right right and you said suicide rate to the right was suicide rate this is this is very troubling now you also but you have ideas things that you sink should change and what how should the economy change how should education change how should health care change let's start with the economy when we look at the economy south jersey well the whole state of new jersey is involved in the class war south jersey has a cold war just part of the foster that was around for like a hundred and fifty years they closed up progress o's planning to leave because they really don't want to pay union wages anymore with them leaving that should home ambulance because people are funding suicide because we're seeing themselves involved at the bottom of the race to the bottom so that's that's really a horrible thing southern new jersey or governors don't pay attention to southern new jersey much and there's nothing that has to quality of life down there but you but your portrait of southern tour in new jersey could also be anywhere in the country right unemploy corporations industries moving away wanting to pay lower rates and therefore people have no jobs and therefore they start to fall into poverty and have these other kinds of perhaps emotional problems that follow so you really this is like a microcosm of many os areas of it in the us and why does it that you think could or should be done that would help wealth to the  problems are solvable i think the war on poverty needs to be addressed again something that hasn't been done in forty years it's not gonna mation the way that people have been abandoned by the government food stamps welfare or unemployment they are systems which seem to invoke more of us more poverty and systems of slavery because people are just pep tell the companies that make money on them and they need have jobs and when they do get jobs and when where paul theroux recipients are just the average people are in the south jersey is the lowest paid we make the lowest wages in the state there's the argument that we should have a living wage and people should make fifteen dollars an hour but how else are people going to meet the mortgage be escalating runts put food on the table sean says increase year after year by friends of seans for their home the homeowner's insurance just keeps us going if you're making stagnant wages everything goes up and you have less lost your paycheck so maybe our politicians should embrace the fifteen hour dollar an hour concept and move towards a twenty one dollar an hour concept a lot of people ate those notions because we just see these people was what they are instead of who they are interview mn beings and denmark you can go to some of the of the people there make twenty one dollars an hour we have a back door economy opening that's going to create massive unemployment anyway and part of that is technological unemployment some factories like progress on want to levi want to go to other places they want to bust a union they don't longer want to pay their employees twenty dollars an hour what happened is is they want to go away but what happens also with companies today that come back and say automate and they layoff their staffs all the people lose their jobs to economic and structur falls apart i think what we need to do is reassert the value of the basic income or to universal income for everyone so when something happens of an economic callous tropical nature they have the social safety and come to fall back on the notion is that everyone in america if you get about thirty four thousand dollars a year as a substance aside from a regular job of course the government can't create work people need to do something the older mind despairing jobs in the private sector bernie sanders is absolutely correct i ran for him in the lots of election on the social democrat in the socialist just like he has a public works program supporting infrastructure and other things is just the answer to give people jobs with justice does absolutely necessary to end poverty and others that think works that's and that goes back to the great depression doesn't it this is how we not everyone wants to agree to this but this is how we may have pulled us outside of the great depression was the w p a works progress administration and what they did is they built infrastructures bridges tunnels repaired roads that gave people jobs and the same time it repaired a country that was breaking down you know it was decaying in every respect so that you kind of think we should we should go back to these types of programs work progresses ministration the c c c that cuts you know those kinds of course programs for young people and what else do you think we need to do about education  education system and the people that problem is exasperated by the fact that most school systems tie into the government which ties into wall street which makes all the rules when i look at the way  you cation takes place my friend john is an engineer he took his kids out of school for homeschooling he knows calculus he taught us and calculus in a way i can relate to what when he went back to his teacher he said i mean you do show me the calculus my kid was learning that you were teaching him and he showed them and i from what that he says this is a calculus of applied surreal world we can't use as calculus and he showed the teacher the calculus that he was teaching his son and the teacher looked at it and said well i'm not allowed to teach this kind of calculus the word has made up its mind on the tax calculus i have to teach and i'm forced to teach to kids as a scout to us so nobody was making the decisions nobody was with with making the choices right the administration made the choices and the choices are to dumb down the kids and not used the proper warning methods where everyone could succeed rather than you know they're still and also bernie talked about public education free free education no tuition charged to college students and when people object to that i always have to remind them how about the city university of new york which did that for a very long time since during the great depression people were able to get an education the same i think the university of california and the length ran state universities i went to university of iowa land grant state university where the farming community supported their education is where you paid but you paid very very low tuition and then you held a job so you could afford to pay your tuition your parents were never asked to pay for this so we have done this in the past it's there's been a precedent for it but we've gotten very very far away from it ok how about you said medical as well you thought you think that hospitals should be the public again or yes i think that we have to take the there's absolutely no reason why hospitals are in a private hands business should not be in charge of medicine as i've had some bad experiences with that myself  watch how some administration is run medical facilities but they are completely remote from the people on the employees who want to make other decisions and nobody on the top lessens this would be the case for all corporations out to philadelphia and presbyterian hospital because of their report democratic governors of the past the social workers came up they spoke to me they asked me what kind and come i had what my job was i was taken care of immediately when i went to hospital in southern new jersey i had to have another procedure i thought they took care of everything financially and i thought everything was approved and i showed and i had my gown on the nurse comes in and said we're sorry to say this but your your care hasn't been approved you're going to have to put that down down and go home and i said i just saw the doctor he said this is really crucial procedure  patient services i went on the internet they went from my back account they went through my paychecks they want to see what i owned and thusly i got approved i was i was of national health care what they have in scandinavia or even angle and my friend there just had cancer and he had this whole procedure that while care took care of everything nothing out of pocket we had national health care the care of in these different systems but right now as we speak the democratic national convention is going on in philadelphia speaking of philadelphia and what are some of your thoughts about what you've read what you've heard what you think well first of all i have to look at this election and see as the absolute worst election in american history that was absolutely horrible but both both parties show their cards we know that it's not the people who  they desire donald trump actually stole his election because he's got that most leading like figure a lot of people like down the conservative element but a lot of republicans i know don't subscribe to the current culture of ignorance that exists in the republican party they may seem a little weed is stay still embrace the backing concepts of course and some of them are social by that some of them have come up and said yeah we're all worth community service  social issues and they're even more supportive of the universal income that the democrats at times the democrats don't even bring that up the republicans have brought up the universe like come twice on the other side of the aisle of the democrats it during the obama election of two thousand and four i think it was because ohio was found to have a very problematical lection results they took an audit they discovered that all the states over the clinton sions and have caused voter fraud throughout the united states the most apparent is california and new york new york was difficult tammany hall politics purging registered voters denying registered voters it was more well conceived in california because the people who were trained at the polls when they took registrations the new registrations turned out to be republican th were transitional ballots showed that people were discharged from voter registrations than there were voters never had service registration processed and they were denied access one million votes one counted i already clinton won that election in california but current are the thing shows after counting two hundred thousand votes bernie sanders landslide and san francisco los angeles and alameda county if they mean that they know if they count the rest of the eight hundred thousand votes bernie sanders would probably have won by a landslide have taken california and all the delegates but the d n c california democratic committee and the calorie campaign clinton staff undermined the discourse in california and she walked away with a victory there so you're saying that it's not a pure system you're saying that  there is various people who want other people to be in charge and they're going to i have seen evidence of attempts to discourage voters in the past going going way back i worked at the polls at one time and i watched some of that going on and i certainly that's something to think about so what does that do to our country what is it to our system right now in philadelphia we have a democratic convention going on and this is for some people this is going to be our candidate this is going to be the democratic candidate has she done anything right as far as you're concerned well  i think that i hate to say this it's not just tory but every time since past forty years we've had a democratic candidate they promise social progress one bomb  all the money to candidates raise i think even if hillary clinton wanted to perpetuate a progressive agenda which it sounds like he really doesn't she has too many backers too many people with vested in her campaign where she would probably not be allowed leverage to even move on anything progressive we have a congress that has three hundred members that have been reelected for the past thirty years they too are already you know five we invested in by wall street the military industrial complex and by one second there didn't didn't she say she was going to adopt something that bernie sanders had considered really important was not a public education free tuition public education is a she has spoken about national health care and free public education right and i think she can do that i think if she's elected i think that as a ploy all attention i think she would turn out differently than a lot of the male politicians i think she would move to the left and entertain the notions of free education free health care and i think she would have to do that because first of all she had a two hour conversation with bernie sanders got a lot of his ideas after she said a were pie in the sky i think that with his endorsement she has to move towards them because a lot of people who work for bernie sanders if he takes the nomination she's going to have to go with all of the progressive agenda there's a lot of people who are angry her showing up at that convention and conventions being walled off by the military because people are more angry i would say in the democratic party that they aren't  republican party with donald trump they're going to see how many people who show up there want that progressive agenda and i think she's probably going to change would lead towards that progressive agenda or law we may not get a lot of it because we've always  obstructionism and the white house because we have a two party system and the sad that we do have a two party system every other country in the world has multiple parties and most states ballot access is horribly impossible for thirteen states and the united states you might democracies and that's how a lot of independents get on the ballot and i think that the problem too is that both parties are not about democracy nor are they about the will of the people but they're about mania other about maintaining the status quo ok but considering the two different major players now with a convention going on are there any differences you can draw between what hillary clinton purports to offer and what donald trump reports to offer or are they really on the same page all together or not the difference between  following and three tet in a fascist government is vice presidential candidate is a nightmare pence pounces an author right wing extremist of the worst variety he's harder to take seriously than ted cruz you can't you can take that seriously hillary on the other hand has a vice presidential candidate with a lot of credibility and he seems to embrace progressive concepts i think hillary is what qualified and even more intelligent than donald trump i think she has the political savvy to be even more excellent president than trump because of her past experiences both between the lesser of two evils is that we used to say well ok and that's the kind of things people have to think about how about you are you planning to go back into politics if you have any interest  run again each time i run i run reluctantly but a lot of people keep asking me to run again because they like to see me run and they like what i have to say and i happy to say my last election i ran for congress i walked away with southern fouls and six hundred votes anselm county and that many bernie candidates lost elections have actually done that a lot of the bernie sanders candidates lost by far was didn't even take a county what do you think is motivating you to want to run i mean you know you've been working all your life right you are not involved in politics or an earlier in your life i would say that i've always been somewhat politically minded in one nine hundred seventy two as a  hopeless in america all of what this party start with up that are advertising and it's really sad to see that even the left in america has its problems with the way they think and the way they approach things others no strategy proponent of the war resisters league and being in the house growing up in paterson was a big political once once you kind of get to higher seeing poverty and equality and opportunity and all the things that would make you angry in life i would have to say that running never was one day it'll be america as i see you wrote say this it's been a very interesting conversation thank you so much for coming to backstory with joel goldstein and i wish i wish you luck in whatever it is you do and with your leadership skills and ideas perhaps who knows one of these days we'll have a congressman razzi or a razzi we'll have to keep an eye out and watch for you and thank you for coming