my name is joyce hawkes ph d author of cell level healing the bridge from soul to cell and our discussion is on compassion it's very interesting to me being coming through hard core science that i was trained in the almost the cellular end of survival of the fittest what happens to cells as they evolve and beings and species as they evolve but my personal experience was discovering the power if you will of compassion and the information that comes out of cultures where cooperation and compassion work rather than competition so i see in the sort of large sweep of things really efficacy of compassion at a cellular level compassion has now been shown to create neurogenesis the brain cells in the cortex of our brain that are crucial for cognition for doing all of the mental activity we need to do especially as we age are replaced when we engage exercise fine motor skills and compassion this is an amazing thing that there is actual cells within our body that respond to the emotion the actions of compassion it was thought for a long time that the minute we're born and in the first few months of life we have all the brain cells we're ever going to have the truth is that our brain cells do divide they are replenished very slowly and technology has had to develop to be able to show us that they actually do divide that there are new ones that are formed and compassion actually is one of the facilitators if not the driver that allows those brain cells to be replenished i think that's really incredible news and allows us to develop what is i believe natural to us as human beings i see it in animals also there's a sense of cooperation in many species and when we learn that as humans and we move and walk in our lives with a true sense of cooperation and acknowledgment honoring each other life certainly goes better in our communities but it also goes better in our own bodies and inside our noggins that's a different difficult thing to look at what's going on in our culture now with the sense of needing to kill each other in seattle recently for police officer officers were murdered it's touched us all it's still touches me quite deeply it's just crazy and we know that people go over the edge into aggressive behavior what pushes that is one of those mysteries of human life and people with means and with opportunity who become greedy in this been weathers as a long time as a species as humans it seems like when there's a lot of stress in our environment as our population grows as resources are limited as there are challenges everywhere some of those really pad behaviors pop out however there are also people that i meet daily or speak with daily across the world my practice now includes clients that live in australia in england than other ones in across canada as well as the united states there are lots of people who are living compassionate lives who are sharing and giving in very tangible ways as well as in my modes of prayer or meditation for the world so there's the struggle of both sides that we've had since we've been humans i think we're able to see some of the really difficult behavior because we're so hoped up with media that we know about it where in our own communities we might not have heard about it before and it's sad you know it is sad that there is this expanse of what is difficult and mea and murderous at times and one hopes that each of us can learn to live with compassion soon we need it right away there's not a lot known about why we have so much increase in dementia and eighty d and younger people it's an unusual time perhaps it's that we identify it better perhaps our ability to know what's wrong is is far better than it's been in the past perhaps we're just living longer and this is the way things happen however what known is that there is breaks in nerves in the brain when all timers hips for example there are images of nerve cells with the plaque showing right in the place that  eroding the connection between nerve cells and when those nerve cells lose their connection we lose cognition we lose memory we lose the ability to even remember and identify  loved ones what can change this in my experience twenty five years of being in practice now working with the spiritual side of things along with a somewhat of a psychological side of things but deep meditative practices particularly ones that include compassion actually support neurogenesis and so new nerve cells are produced in the brain and those are working fine so we can be all a lot older and our brains continue to work because we've got the hardware the neurons the wiring inside of our brains that allow our mind to work well it's interesting that several things happen fine motor skills exercise and as i said compassion meditation actually support neurogenesis as well support our immune systems so here's one of the things that we definitely can do in our life to keep us prevent us from that deep slide that takes our minds as we get older i've also worked with people young people with  d and there is something about shifting a level of consciousness with them so that they can tap their own deep resources for centering that works really well i've also worked with some autistic children and my sense of them was that they had one hundred t v and audio stations rolling all at once and it was unsettling confusing and frightening and some of them the little ones like five year olds were just rather terrified of all this input now these are kids who are really smart their kids who are sensitive they're kids who i think as they grow up are one of the answers to many of the problems our culture faces because they come in gifted what helps them what i've been able to do is in an almost non verbal ways assess them to feel safe and then begin to work with them to figure out how to tune one station at a time so that they develop a sense of control rather than being overwhelmed by everything smacking them all at once and as they begin to do that they no longer exhibit the the difficulties  autism or asperger's syndrome i've seen a couple of kids who were severely affected one is five years down the road now and from the time we started working and he's in public school gifted program looks you rightly i talks a blue streak so i've had experience with helping to support good healthy brain activity in both older people preventative measures as we grow older and reversing some of the things we are seeing in some of our young people each day i do considerable amount of time devoted to meditation and that's not about discipline it is may have started with discipline but it's truly about this is a place of great enjoyment and bliss when i'm doing that work i have a sense that my heart opens quite deeply the brain wave testing both testing in the here in the united states with eighteen sensors and also in japan with one hundred twenty five sensors at mohan university show that my brain runs unusual brain wave patterns they tested me both meditating where my brain pretty much shuts down there's not much activity going on what activity is there includes a beta way which is the clear awake mind and delta delta is usually only see in a deep sleeping state i run both the aware awake mind and deep sleep state simultaneously all the time when i'm doing healing work and that protocol is about focusing on an individual focusing a sense of connection with them that's quite deep and compassionate not lovey dubby but compassionate and then sending healing to them it's a little hard to describe how i send healing that's developed over so many years but my whole body is involved and my focus is with the person whatever it is that is the illness or the issue with them and i'm drawn deeply to the cellular level because that's my background and training and bio physics and as a cell biologist working with the electron microscope for so many years so in these moments when the fall this is deeply with the person and profoundly at the cellular level where there are malady is whatever it is cancer arthritis whatever in those moments the delta waves in my brain peak six to seven times higher than any of the other brain waves there's alpha running there's they are running and there's beta but delta peaks all over my brain in all of those sensors all at once and that's just an amazing thing to see you know the protocols that i use when i'm doing healing work have really come directly to me they're not a standard protocol some of them i learned from my teachers in indigenous healers who are in other cultures but they've come more directly to me when i'm in meditation information just shows up now there's also in the general culture  lots of information about the use of compassion meditation wolf saying or in frankfurt germany spoke of this there's publications by in the neural report that comes out of yale university there's a lot of discussion about this and the mind and life institute that in which the dalai lama participates as well as major scientists including richard davidson from the university of wisconsin so there's and pieces in our culture and in our research community in a number of places which inform this however when i'm directly working with an individual it's not a one two three thing it's very much adapted for that individual for how they seem to be receptive i'm talking with them i'm trying to understand what's working with them but i'm also moving into a rather different state of consciousness i'm not you know out of it or it doesn't seem like a weird state but it's a deeper state in which i'm getting information i'm picking up a sense of the individual and how with focus of the mind to move that connection in do a healing cells that look like will be stars all over our brains are actually very active and involved in cognition was once thought they were just scaffolding just sitting there doing nothing now we know they're very active so there's a great deal of interesting information coming from a lot of different resources now i'm a fellow in the american association for advancement of science based on my work many years ago with high speed laser effects on cells i'm still a fellow in the american association for advancement of science and i read the journal science every week and it's been amazing in these last handful of years of the new technologies which  brought us information that substantiate some of the things i'm talking about and the things that i see in doing a simple healing practice practice that leads people to meditation that leads people  to reaching deeply within themselves and their own profiled resources for healing so many of us consider ourselves healing facilitators who are able to instruct in courage connect with walk with and support people to find healing for themselves i'm not an expert in nutrition but i know for myself and for many of my clients that when they eat better they do better and so it makes sense that we have to supply our body and our neurons with the basic elements that they need to do well and lots of sugar isn't it so personally i like to shop and farmers markets and we have a co op in this area which is wonderful organic food my sense is that i can almost feel the difference in food that has vitality to it and that's what i choose so i know nutrition is important in a very reasonable sense each week i see around twenty clients both here and abroad by telephone or by skype and in my office and many of the people who wind up working with me as a healing facilitator come because they've exhausted whatever is out there in traditional western medicine they're upset because they feel they're overmedicated they're upset because nothing is helping them their lives are disintegrating in front of them i'm somebody with my science background who really enjoys being a team member day someone with this as an aspect of healing not the toll deal so i work with physicians psychotherapy and sometimes work in hospitals just directly with families or with patients and so i've seen this whole range of the wonders of western medicine the use good use of science the incredible t people and that i've seen abuses of it where docs just the row meds it people and it's not helping them i hear frequently my doctor doesn't listen to me too sensitive they're giving me meds that i'm just way too sensitive for and the side effects are awful they're worse than whatever it was that was bothering me so it's a real thorny problem it's a difficult one and i and i guess the clarion call the request is what are physicians please take more time listen to their patients realize that there are people whose bodies are not standard they're very sensitive there are some docs that i know who do exactly this really take time with their patients who listen to them are able to or just some of the wonders of medication that are helpful and that are needed so that they work for an individual i also know that adding any form  of you might call it meditation any form of practice that enables someone to come closer to their own core and their own healing doing teaching him some meditation some healing work for himself and using this practice of imagining breathing in the quality of balance letting it transform what was out of balance in his body like as and then breathing out just imagining breathing out the quality of harmony he worked with his psychiatrist because his symptoms began to ameliorate and now he is almost entirely off of medication abbott is psychiatry is ok and doing extremely well in his life so i've seen it work that but it's about empowering the individual and as a practitioner working with them to find ways of using alternatives that are helpful my personal experience was discovering the power if you will of compassion and the information that comes out of cultures where cooperation and compassion work rather than competition at a cellular level compassion has now been shown to create neurogenesis the brain cells in the cortex of our brain that are crucial for cognition for doing all of the mental activity we need to do especially as we age are replaced when engage exercise fine motor skills and compassion this is an amazing thing that there's actual cells within our body that respond to the emotion the actions of compassion compassion actually is one of the facilitators if not the driver that allows those brain cells to be replenished i think that's really incredible moves and allows us to develop what is i believe natural to us as human beings i see it in animals also there is a sense of cooperation in many species and when we learn that as humans and we move and walk in our lives with a true sense of cooperation and acknowledgment honoring of each  other life certainly goes better in our communities but it also goes better in our own bodies and inside our noggins working with the spiritual side of things now long with a somewhat of a psychological side of things but deep meditative practices particularly ones that include compassion actually support neurogenesis and so new nerve cells are produced in the brain and those are working fine so we can be all a lot older and our brains continue to work because we've got the hardware the neurons the wiring inside of our brains that allow our mind to work well it's interesting that several things happen fine motor skills exercise and as i said compassion meditation actually support neurogenesis as well support our immune systems the clarion call the request is what are physicians please take more time listen to their patients realize that there are people whose bodies are not standard they're very sensitive there are some docs that i know who do exactly who really take time with their patients who listen to them who are able to adjust some of the wonders of medication that are helpful and that are needed so that they work for an individual i also know that adding any form of you might call it meditation any form of practice that enables someone to  come closer to their own core and their own healing abilities help people tremendously and they can move off i find something each and every day too to celebrate the beauty of this earth a little something that just makes me appreciate living on this this beautiful earth from the cynic's own kind of sound all that up you could call me a rich  we are really in a dire situation republican or democrat it steams obama this government is dominated by the pharmaceutical industry and if it wants a drug approved it will get it regardless of the consequences to the american what fifty percent of america has a chronic disease something's wrong it means we failed at our health care system it means we have a disease care system but i don't think the public has begun the grass  objective that is not the health and safety of the individuals this country but the almighty dollar the bottom line make an impact become chronically you know they're going to become chronically depressed that's the spend any extra energy they have after approving tribes to go after national product manufacturers to make sure that there is no competition to their quiet the pharmaceutical industry one of the oldest activities in the world is a mini adding economic food clean safe natural food and how potency nutrients all the economic competitors are expensive dangerous patentable drugs it's a war being fought in your body we need to have a hospital then to help people stay out of the unfortunately our congress has not supported we the people it's really looking at trying to support corporate america we have to rethink our entire philosophical constitution we are in deep crisis not just for our air but for our democracy itself we have to have a system of medicine where our patients are not being killed by the treatments and unfortunately today they are being killed in such huge numbers that modern medicine as practiced in america today is a crime against humanity how can you possibly as a human being be willing to sacrifice others lives particularly the lives of you in order to placate financial interests we have a system of medicine that's broken that by itself is killing at least seven hundred thousand people a year some people are dying since they don't have health insurance but what about the number of people who are dying because of the current system all the industrialized democratic countries have found a way to have universal health care sponsored and guaranteed by the government two point three trillion dollars one sixth of our whole gross domestic product seventy two hundred dollars for every person in this country and twice as much as the next three countries in the world switzerland france germany we spend seventy two hundred per capita they spend thirty two hundred  the measurements that we use to define good or bad in a health system we are never near the top sometimes we are remarkably close to third world nations this is not a privilege it is a right that every human being has a human being has and the health care system has to be organized in such a way that that is the guiding premise and not the transformation of health care into a commodity to be sold and a profit to be made on it like many people i would love to see some form of universal health care that's focused on health and care that's focused on real prevention but we're not getting that because of the poisons that are being injected into people even though they're called therapies because of the display information that is given to patients by our drug companies and our misinformed physicians the number of people dying from that dwarfs the numbers of americans who sadly are dying from lack of care now my daughter went to medical school thirty years ago and was taught as an incoming medical student that fifty percent of hospital admissions are duty yet genic diseases doctor caused diseases other words the health care system was admitting in training new doctors that half the health care problems that they were going to be facing were because going to be caused by themselves our culture is replete with chronic disease every chronic disease is a massive profit producer for the people who produce drugs every single one of these things exist not so much because they were allowed to exist as because they were created so that it you can call it eighty d you can call it obesity whatever it is when you have people who go from  the age of let's say fifteen to the age of sixty five in a chronic depressed health situation massive amounts of profit are made off each one of those individuals about one hundred years ago things were really beginning to change in the united states we were changing from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy and these titans of industry really wanted to be able to control not only the united states but the world financial system as a whole when the rockefeller's took over the allopath and medicine the rockefeller's were also in charge of the oil industry in the chemical industry and they also made an alliance with a huge german concern called which was a big chemical industry in germany so there is an interplay between what was called the money power from the early part of the twentieth century to tell board positions in many of these corporations when the rockefeller took over the medical schools there were many types of medical education in the united states there were homeopathic doctors and there were natural path and doctors who were using natural medicines to heal and they were having very good outcome once the rockefeller's took over the system they closed down all the others and they only promoted the sale of their drugs they promoted surgery and they promoted radiation well there's a kind of social logical theory about paradigm shift and it goes something like this you have let's say the medical community all the doctors the united states they are community and they have a kind of which is supported by everybody believing the same thing when you go to medical school you're indoctrinated with this kind of religious dogma so if the pharmaceutical industry profits by selling medicine but the industry profits by selling more and more of them then the industry pays doctors to prescribe them and so on we see a mafia like monster has afflicted this communities with the hippocratic oath the ordinary altruism of people in the community is subverted by this capitalistic pressure this is the problem with the not only did medicine people but in all spheres up science there is real vested interest in keeping the imperfect science because so much has been vested and large systems have developed it's like this two point seven trillion dollar part of the economy that health care  costs are present in this country so this investment makes it the most difficult to change anything specially to change the basic metaphysics because if we did that would turn out that the m parties largely naked and we don't really need this expensive cyst medicines and valuable you'd never throw it away have the highest respect for the technologies for the drugs when they're used appropriately and for the and for the doctors themselves to want to do the right thing but that's not the whole story that's only what you use when it's necessary those fantastic micro surgeries that are done by robots the heart transplants and kidney transplants all those things that we're doing they're magical why would you throw it away it's just that it's not the first thing we should you it's the last thing we and if we come to our senses would look at lifestyle as the medicine that has always been the medicine we should have and certainly the medicine the future we're going to be a healthy country now if i was in trouble and i need allopathy care i would hesitate to get it but there are many paths to healthcare and  comprehensive approach to health care must include integrative medicine a complimentary alternative approach to medicine that would look at all the options there are as many paths to help as there are individuals but we just focus on on one path in particular not as the path of practice but practitioners will tell you that they're often limited in their means to treat many types of ailments we clearly need health care there's no question but the health care that we need is more on the acute traumatic health care than where we have services that are in phenomenal surgeons and neurosurgeons in orthopedic surgeons that can address the traumas that result from being involved in accidents that cannot be altered by traditional lifestyle ourselves many illnesses that we see today have kind of been trumped up or exaggerated in ways that promote the pharmaceutical industry or promote various ways in which there's profit built rather than the kind turning of the table and starting to look at social profit the social welfare for some reason we as a family don't make it through you know why one friend of mine went to harvard business school and on his very first day in class they were given a test case that you're a drug company and a couple of people have died from your over the counter drug what do you do do you recall the drug do you calculate the damage is what and my friend who didn't know yet how things operate in this school immediately said recall the product and everybody laughed in the room and the teacher said have you calculated how many lives you can afford to lose before you need to recall when someone dies by average and it causes that means that the health care system itself is actually the cause of the death too many people are being harmed by the products that the industry is putting forth when a drug is put on the market there's of a call of a cost benefit ratio how much harm is it going to do against how much good it's going to do but the question is how many people do we have to harm in order to get the good pharmaceutical companies lobby congress directly they lobby a station makers and influence policy decisions the pharmaceutical industry doesn't stop there the pharmaceutical industry also through direct to consumer advertising creates a demand for their believing that these drugs are fixing something wrong then the story that just continues to get more and more out of control that's financial forces try to keep on expanding the market for these drugs so what do we end up what we end up with expanding the market for psychiatric drugs one thing that a lot of parents don't want to admit is just what a nuisance kids are get in it gets in the way of of life that they want to live and lead in and you know now if you're from the working class in europe or you're here both parents are having to work and so and sometimes more than one job each of these parents and so it's very difficult to be able to do the job of raising the kids and pharmaceutical companies and the doctors have found a convenient way to prescribe pills so that these people can continue to work lousy jobs for little pay much jockeying terms of getting new disorders into the manual in part because the manual has an extraordinary i think a narrative authority that something like passive aggressive personality disorder is characterized by door telling over doing laundry and groceries i mean factors like that are actually published in that scientific quote unquote manual be have listings on their oppositional disorder for children including negative istic disobedient and ineffective i mean that's actually that and effective as a child what does that mean drug companies literally monitor what is taught and influence if not control what is taught in  drug companies all fell sponsor much medical school research their research budget is derived from drug companies many many years ago the federal government used to fund research at medical schools but now more and more of that research is that says funded directly by medical schools themselves big pharmaceutical companies not so much easier to cure people because then they won't need their medicines but they keep people alive and slightly sick  healthier today we have big pharma and they say all hope is in this little pill and if you take this you're going to be well well the fact of the matter is dead well america's tremendous  consumption of pharmaceuticals occurs in quantum leaps every year fact of matter is that our health care costs keep going up so maybe those drugs which in some cases can provide relief to people  not the only solution a nine eleven we've lost three thousand people every year in this country we've lost one hundred over one hundred thousand people to pharmaceutical drugs that means we've lost over a million people to the pharmaceutical industry in the nine years since nine eleven and yet we're not chasing pharmaceutical terrorists all over the world do we really live in a rational time that the killing of a million people is just a whole home kind of event i think we need to reorder our priorities there's going to come a day where we are all all of us adults and children alike are diagnosed with at least one disorder maybe up to a dozen disorders and we are put on mandatory medications and if we disagree with that they'll say we suffer from obedience defiance disorder and will be put on a different set of drugs to treat that disorder or will be thrown in jail until we agree to take those drugs it's that crazy we live in a world that has about a six thousand year history of empire building mode it's the economic and political mode that humans have been in for that long a time it is in the business of building hierarchies that command and control everything below them i'm an evolution biologist so i look at healthy living systems and healthy living systems are whole archy's kind of like onion skins or russian nested dolls where living systems exist within each other every one of you up to hundred trillion cells as part of negotiations and the whole thing functions beautifully like a highly evolved ec system and when you have hierarchical social systems it almost forces lying and deception because there's the whole problem of keeping yourself in power at one hundred fifty million people now are buying out of the the dominant mechanistic materialistic health system and going into natural alternatives organic foods and so forth if we had a national policy for example that promoted  natural health food approach biodynamic or organic approach as a part of national policy we could improve the health of people in this country enormously speaking from my own experience with alternative medicine  as a young person i suffered from a very serious case of crone's disease in one thousand nine hundred ninety five i switched my diet to a vegan diet and that together with chinese medicine enabled me to be virtually free of any symptoms of crone's whatsoever preventive medicine is another version of an interesting paradigm can i can i prevent diseases can i can i work with a patient long term and prevent diseases the old chinese system of medicine was based on that when the patient got ill you actually made less money as a physician than if you kept the patient out of the hospital whether it's in yoga science or or forms of meditation and proper diet and lifestyle all of this to break the dominance of an ego based culture that is taking us down disintegrating us and causing our medical vast medical problems and until we break the hold that the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance compan on our political process which is going to be very difficult to be able to get to permit individual americans to feel the fullness of their own individual power to be able to determine the path for their own health what we are doing building public opinion in favor from each other and from the environment from the natural processes of healing and correction then we're not going to be able to build a model of medicine that's truly about promotion of healing and the integrity  if everybody learned how to alter their attention and recharge their energy and release stress so it doesn't accumulate right down to their d n a because there's good evidence of that now if people learned how to deal with their own minds and their negative emotions and make their mind fresh every moment and in the present by the time they were twelve this would be a really different society this is the guts of what the indigenous healer did the body mind and russian spirit and they spent time they did what they had to do to be with people because they were important and if they are important that's what you must do or they won't heal neither will you all over the world there are systems of medicine and there are healing practitioners in place right now in other countries who are getting amazing results with nutritional therapies they're really using ancient systems that are also timeless because healing and nutrition is a timeless concept and it cannot be censored forever it cannot be put out of the way it cannot be ignored it cannot be shut down healing is part of you healing is inside you we have to watch out for the fact that medical science world doing marvelously well with a mechanistic model is still missing the most important parts of the was just a few areas where the mind body connection has been acknowledged by medicine the placebo effect the power of prayer knowledge more and more appreciation by the scientific establishment that prayer accelerates healing we now understand through science the interrelationships of the mind in the body and the role of thoughts and feelings in our cellular life and it's actually one hundred eighty degrees different than the al opacic model and if we feed the body with the proper thoughts which is a form of nutrition we can really start to move into a true holistic model of creating health will become creative will change our lifestyle was january cannot mix well change our health past procedure but the tests to come from a but everything you do the smallest cars can produce a huge change in the outcome melts down here and it's going to firm up over here and when it's in the process of firming or over here that's when you can  after being taken off twenty pharmaceutical drugs sixteen months ago shown might is improving show continues her recovery with the help of her husband in washington state and just someone's actually