starts like this from sixty minutes by the way you're on a white things with the photos and news clippings i enjoy to look at your work it's interesting informative provocative we get a chance to do a story and your part of country  perhaps i can get a better look as for the resemblance i guess is the beard maybe one day you'll work when the work is better known i'll be mistaken for you well that one day has arrived and that person was  the for the pings thank you it was it was done in eighty seven and i painted it on day long and then went to be it but i couldn't even hardly sleep very on because i want to do make sure i get back and look at that very powerful to me and what a lot what a lot of my work result becomes is that i put a tape piece of tape off and then put the color in there and then when it dries i peel it off that's how you get that look they're all so nicely shar particular work well i just want to use different colors and as i see it tapered off whatever i can do whatever i can put their way and to be comes from us as opposed to us coming from the art what you do you can't study it just comes from you and as you started to see ship sex man take place i want hours and so the impression is that you decide on the work he decides or colors and decide what you're going to do it and what you do with it that is your mar well i live there yeah i work for artists in residence truly i work four hours a deposed hours with sometimes and after i leave from there i have other things to do it's best for people to try to call me  different pieces and you can see the transition of the artist to his home it's really you know a lot of people don't know it but i did a second sax man similar to this one because i felt all my work yeah i remember that i was that experience that was the most powerful experience i've had of creating art and having people come there and see my or it was a a couple of small rocks or something but the biggest painting was this and she was a great person ninety two years old when she she passed away i put the american so i have to ask you know through all this the background is you know what back in regards to almost like a collage type issue you know that was a lady that  garvey you know again we need to really and i think you bring us to history and that's why we're having on here as you did to read about the history in the corner here there's this colorful all those people or so yeah that's just  space that i had different from this one this one is wider and the american flag so i had that space there and so with a lot of my paintings i just use different colors and that's another thing that i work at it at my desk so that i just create art it's not been prefixed or thought about  one of the things that we wanted to bring to the table that they creative process from either an academic standpoint or self start the self taught standpoint is still the same dr way noble said that some rommel's brilliant minds will sometimes i think they don't really understand what they have to do i have been able to do what i needed to do by doing one piece new york or paris france you can sell your arguments to why well maybe so it's very difficult in the bay area but i do my best and i'm just not going to sell it when i see other people sometimes i still feel that in my work represents from our know why it's very creative and i'm very honored that i'm able to finish an art piece without i guess some artists make a change where they don't even finish it yeah i guess you know just because of the beauty of in the vibrancy of the colors again you bring the colors and again you bring discussions around that and the theme in your art is been the american flag why is that i don't know i just i just  feel that i'm been able to do different types of art paintings i do rocks i did a eight foot tall piece of a man down in a basketball that was used by the city of oakland for a project and so i do mask and and the paintings and so forth that  a lot of artists just only do one kind of art but i do four or five different types of art and i feel very comfortable with that we are  because even though i do and i've done forty newspapers there it just haven't been the things like what you present well i think