luckily black women will talk to me at some point in time and when they do talk to me i found some very interesting things about them and i always say happenstance and chance meetings are always great to be here when i was a lisa jackson and i'm a native of san francisco and it's just a wonderful opportunity to be here doing a lot of the community right now and as you said it was yes and i'm a professor at north carolina a and t state university and i am here for the summer as a visiting professor at university of california san francisco and we met because i heard you speak in so brilliants and for me when i hear things that i've just excited about you know people are talking about this issue people are talking about what's happened in the black community and struggles we're facing and they have some good important things to say about them i just want to  developmental psychology course my research is actually in health and i focused on hiv epidemic and how it's impacting the black community but really as a way to think about the way that oppression is mind find out about the minds of individuals there's a lot of things that people are bringing to the table inform me about a variety of subjects in life and so it's just a great thing to hear another person's opinion about whatever maybe the challenge is with going through present in the pain you know about me and whatever it is so many different subjects and so i'm gaining a wealth of knowledge by going in the minds of other individuals just and one radio every saturday from eleven to one and one radio dot com internet radio and so i went in there to share my story about my childhood and some of the things i had days as a kid and why i got into teaching financial literacy with young people and they were just really amazed with the story and said to me you have a voice and you need to be heard we want to give you a show you care and that was the day after i had my seventh an feelings on some of the work this led you into this issue sure so for me black psychology and psychology of women those are important classes for me to teach because i hear a lot well why would there even be a course in that for black women in particular to have read so little theories that women have written that black people have written that's just one layer of the trauma that you are learning and you think you're learning about yourself but you never actually got a chance to learn about yourself and so that's one of things that i love about my courses is that i'm standing in front of people and saying this is your opportunity to learn about yourself and to learn about yourself from the lives of people who love you and whose ideas are from this place of understanding and growth and transformation as opposed to what this is what's wrong with you this is the problem that's wrong with you and that's part of the trauma is constantly being from afar and been told that the trauma is your fault right and so layers upon layers of trauma and so you know one of the things that i like to do is just to really have us you know look at our own trauma but then also try to understand you know where this is coming from and to end to free ourselves from observing what's right in front of us and thinking that that's the problem and really getting to the the causes of the of the problem so if we're looking at the symptoms like the high rates of heart disease or hiv and we don't address the underlying problem of oppression and we pretend like it's not there to begin with then we keep looking at the symptoms and we know treating symptoms you stay sick this is true of you know everything good to mine when she said that i just want to interject because that makes me think about what i am a strong believer is doing the hard work if people want to be free from whatever they suppress and they must do the hard work and that means going in looking at those issues not just want to a doctor to get medication not just want to take supply or something because i speak in particular to black women because they have the highest rates of heart disease they have the highest rates of diabetes they have the highest rates of it for mortality yeah so what is going on now in the physical so but in the the self that carries our festivals that's happening so tell us about for you chasing for me i think again it goes back to issues deep seated issues that people medicate and cover up with whatever external pacifier some of it could be food some of the could be things to fill that void that all of that causes the psyche trip which makes you in turn not care about yourself and not feeling valued and you begin to feel worthless and things like that and so i think for me right now i feel really good at fifty i feel like you know that i'm looking good i'm terry taking care of myself good and i think the best thing for the best school of medicine in that area is to be an example to show when you get fifty you don't have to be tore up you don't have to be you know your body is all out of whack you don't have to be that way you could be mentally physically spiritually emotionally all of that sound at this you know rape or abuse him i was seeing it as a magnifying glass for mil health issues you know lack of self care lack of self love we look at those sexual trauma has a real deep story to it doc will give us some insight into clues i think one of the things that i think is important is realizing how many times that people get traumatized after the initial trauma so there's the initial trauma then there is the culture of silence around trauma somebody hurt me but the world tells me that i'm supposed to be quiet about it and then there's the trauma of telling people who in order to protect themselves from feelings of this could happen to me sometimes they ask questions to blame them what were you wearing what were you doing at that time of day which we know is not asked about any other type of crime and then there's the trauma of well if i want to do something to make sure that this doesn't happen to other people i need to go to a court system that is going to traumatize me again by making me relive that situation b lens for everyone there is really continuing to relive that mafia that trauma that middle passes that first step off that slave ship then that's what goes on and i think that when you look at folks like you always talk about thomas jefferson thomas jefferson they want to fact you want to divide the state make it the tops in california jefferson we don't have to understand the history of a president like jefferson intelligent brigand founding transformation because it implies there's going to be a journey so there's not that focus on the in point you know i'm not at my in point as though you're going to ever stop and so i like transformation because it implies there might be some pain it might be difficult every point and also a bit that there's not this focus on the end that we're constantly in this perpetual motion of of changing and which direction are you going to so from a transformation involves two pieces so one there is the personal transformation where we are honest with ourselves about the things that have hurt us and how they've hurt us and the ways that we have found to be dysfunctional to survive that pain and really looking at getting rid of that dysfunction to say i don't need that anymore right and so that's a big piece of the personal transformation but also we have to think about working together as a community to change the circumstances the situations that are making it so that so many of us are in constant survival mode that so many of us are spending so much time just trying to make it to tomorrow that there isn't that space where we can even work on our own personal transformation so both pieces the personal transformation and community transformation are equally important to me and i call those sentiments because for me my message just as constantly about being true to our own self and being true th also doing that hard work that you have to look within yourself to be able to be the best person each you can for others because if you can't give their self love to you how can you give it to somebody else and so i think that it really starts here you don't sally the owner of their k g m one radioed back now and i'm just showing up you know and i have no expectations anticipation of what could happen but i'm there and so whatever you know this leads me to i'm totally excited about it but you know everyone who have offered to come and have a spot on the radio has been a wonderful wonderful you know guest i really enjoyed our show and definitely want to have you back or thank you so yeah i would like to just you know put out a little something for my nonprofit if that's ok because that's near and dear to my heart the west coast center for victoria's use w c c use that or we're coming up on our eighth annual conference and we teach financial literacy life skills career development and educational travel experiences so we want to get think about him is that we support each other so when we came out here this summer he came the whole family came to support me and then other times i'm supporting him so he helps people start businesses and you know he's done a lot of amazing things as so sometimes and i'm in the background and you know sometimes i'm in the foreground but we take turns  support each other that way and it's amazing to have a person in your life like that great quote well ladies we're are kind of like moving to la i was in the show but i wanted to  share some of things i think are important in terms of the media aspect of this show as well as the other side of the psychosocial trauma they really are intersecting we really need to be have more discussions like this around it's black women like yourself that continue to move this piece for you and i want you to continue that's what i thought was so important you both quang me you got a birthday coming up what you going to do with that b love california i love it for the same reasons that i love durham north carolina background is that you can meet amazing people like yourself just just sitting up in a coffee shop you just never know what you're surrounded by and i feel like that's the energy of the whole city is you just never know who you're walking by or who is next to you and it's beautiful as though you know th is great she is almost one and a half carry she thinks in her heart she's about five but she's one and i ha you know you know chance meetings we had to be open to chance and his friends and i think for me as a man after combat world bit less guarded but i also understand that it's been a lot of trauma and they had to understand that that may that be a professor yes so one of the things that i think it's great about the show this idea of education as medicine i wanted to mention we do this book club called seeds of africa we myself another professor dr lee reads books with students and then we talk about how what's in these books can change our lives and we talk specifically about our own personal lives sometimes there's crime in there so but it's all about that there are answers for things that we're struggling with in books and that we're lifelong learners that we never stop learning that  books and knowledge are a big part of this transformation piece that we've been talking about well ladies you know it took a little while to get us here but i'm glad we got here  trust and love in the african spirit always important in the connection and says there we will get this done i think both for you or provide a great snapshot of where we're going