hi i'm carol ricard and welcome to the well you show i want to introduce my co host angel torture buck who's also known as the pain detective and where can people find you at muscles in balance another guest we are joined today by miss any and she's flown all the way here from the netherlands and i think that's where the guy was it ma so so here is what we're going to do today and i told them i had time so angel could kind of be a little more casual is we're going to talk about c p r and as you know i teach people see  i have been teaching for twenty five how that's actually how we met yeah isn't it funny seeing that person brought something good and yeah right she brought you to  me but here's the most important reason why i personally think everybody needs to know c p r and so what we're going to do today is kind of do a little demonstration we're also going to talk a little bit why it's important to know but i think the most the most important thing is is that i know firsthand what it's like to be able to know this stuff and then use it to save a family member's life because when i was in the fifth grade i actually had to learn c in school and it was the first year they came out with it to the public and that tells you how old i am if you do the math but and my teacher made us learn and we didn't have any any we didn't have any you know we didn't have any equipment he just made us learn the steps and he gave us a test and four years later my mom collapsed stopped breathing at home and the only reason i was able to save her life because i had in my head what he had taught me if you think about it we are just like call ours for us to leave here today we have to have gas in a gas tank and a fuel pump that's going to work human beings have those same things  heart is our fuel pump and our lungs are the gas tanks and so our heart and our lungs keep our engine which is our brain supplied with all the gas it needs to keep running and that gas is oxygen and so what happens in the case of my mom it was her breathing but for other people whose heart school into cardiac arrest and they the few pop kicks off so then there's no oxygen flowing to the brain or the rest of the body and what's really important about this is four minutes is all a brain can go without oxygen before brain damage starts now think about this you pick up your phone at home because somebody has collapsed you dial nine one one and how long does it take to get there how long would it take so we get your house well now that the hospital presses closer and might not be as all right between six in and seven minutes it becomes irreversible and if i've been laying on the ground for ten minutes my brain is probably going to be dead and the time it changes is when somebody has been submerged in cold water because if you ever heard of stories where they pulled somebody out of a frozen lake and a kid had been in there for thirty minutes but he came out yes ok because that temperature slows down everything over that they have sense but here's the other really important number that really it's really why i teach sci fi r is that eighty percent of cardiac arrest happens around the home why do you think that is carol i don't know but it's been pretty steady like that but if you think about this well it's like we were just talking about a little bit when does heart attacks because people spend most of their time around their homes do and it's eighty percent doesn't mean just your could be your neighbor so when i say around your home and we had all the snow recently i mean because you get people that sometimes aren't doing what they want but the reason i love teaching c not because because you have to be sort of fight for your work right people have to be certified for their jobs but to me there's being certified and there's being confident and i have a way of teaching it that will i want people if they're ever in my shoes like i was if you've never taken a class in five years has gone by i want it to make enough sense to you that you're going to say oh well you know what today it's sort of thinking what was the first step was you know and how many it's  that now what's amazing about c p r so full disclosure i am through the american heart association as whom one structure ship is kind of been through for the last twenty five years i have a training center that i teach for but the other thing that heart association came up with about five years ago i don't feel saw the commercials hands only c p r and that's where i get the question all the time carol they don't have to do the breast anymore but because there are too many people dying be home because nobody was there or nobody's around are doing so what here's what hands only c p r is is it it's it takes two step and i want to write hands only because you google hands only and you'll get really good you know american heart association videos but with hands only what it says is this if you or i and i've never had a c p r class before for anybody you witnessed somebody collapse somewhere wherever you are home the restaurant the gym and nobody is around to help there are two steps two steps and two steps are one you c l or or they have a foam so it's a pea foot you call nine one one and two is you push on the chest and that is save people's lives and the other thing you could do through your head is seeing staying alive because that's the rhythm that will keep people and their of actually literally been stories through the heart association of a woman who because she had seen the commercial who was able to save her husband's life because again what we're doing even if we don't get the person's heart started we're keeping their brain alive because here's the thing with cars you can replace the engine with human beings there's never been a brain transplant yet maybe there will someday so this is the only brain we got so that's why c p u are really the most important is it keeps everything flowing and then back maybe i forget ten years ago we also have these machines now everywhere this is called an a t v stands for automated external  and what it is quite simply stick with your car analogy this is the jumper cables yep and this machine is actually kept people save people's lives who otherwise would not have been here today because what happens and i want to write this down because people get this confused and it's so important for people to know the difference so you were you were just talking about m the thing about here's the thing about heart stuff quite honestly doesn't matter how darn fit you are you or were all susceptible you know to go into say cardiac arrest so here's a two terms i want to separate for people if i am having a heart attack all right what that is is that that some part of my heart the fuel pump that is not working properly so part of it is malfunctioning and what ends up happening is that if i don't take care of it it could lead to the next thing which also happens all on its own which is called cardiac arrest but carol he was taking care of his heart was there with mr fitness well the way i understood it was his did did he did he go out i and when their heart stops i'm can be conscious with heart attack we have symptoms of heart attack the chest pain ladies we get it more in our bag you know a couple people complain my mom complained of just not feeling well turns out it was a heart attack so with heart attacks were having symptoms whether we paid attention to them or not with a cardiac arrest oh out heart stops meaning heart stops when persons out c p r are important and also what is in gyms nowadays they are new jersey is they have to have different be leaders it's a law over a certain size you have to have now the jumper cables because again somebody starts c p r and somebody gets this machine and i want to show you what it is because i want people to know what it is in you you know how to use it but your heart stops but when it stops it's also doing this like little quivering like a muscle spasm and so when we used to do just c p r we could take a post but we really couldn't tell if there was this muscle spasm that's what the machine checks for and it's like think of this way the shore the circuitry short circuits and it really is kind of gives it they ever had a muscle spasm where you had to get a little electrical things the the the shockers hooked up to your muscles that i would have gone into cardiac arrest and there are some symptoms people have begun to like gasp you know when a person is in this and that's why people think oh they're ok but not really but these are the two different things and if we don't take care of this which is why it's so important to get to a hospital you know when you think you're having indigestion true story i had a patient who one day during our program he came to the nurse and i not been arsed other social worker because the nurse was gone that day and said you know i haven't really bad into gesture and you know he kind of didn't look right to us and said you know what better be safe you better just go downstairs to the emergency room you know and check in with them so we went downstairs and they put them in any ransom tests and in the meantime the tests came back you know that they did ok children's heart was ok but this then the pain stopped so he started he got out of emergency room went to his car in a parking lot and it came back and that man very smartly decided to come back into the emergency room turns out he had an eighty percent blockage of one of his order ease and he had to be transferred to the other hospital and have a stent put in it was his complaining of india just that made us say better to be safe than sorry you know and again you go to an urgent clinic you know like at least have somebody else check on you but that's why we got to learn c p r now i want to show you we got the hands only right two steps so so you never had a r instruction i want you to google hands only c p r so you can kind of see the video in the steps and it might even be like this little poster of but what i also want to talk about those for people who have had c p r like you angel you know how i teach people and that's really something you'll never forget what will you probably remember even if you have a case of dementia back to your early about the alphabet so anybody here who sure to fight in c p r this is a way to make sure that you can just feel confident a if you always always always make sure it's safe then you always always talked call carol about this there were something on a show t v show and they were talking about heart attacks after sex yes and they did and i say carol they didn't say the first step about halle nine one one yeah and then you said well maybe i missed it but truth is is think of it this way the quicker you get somebody to show up at your house with the jumper cable news the better that's why with with adults we really got a phone as soon as this person doesn't move we know that there's a problem all right that's a what's always the next letter ne alphabet after a b and b is we check reading now the old days it was and you're going to start pushing ok what if they're wearing a turtle neck or i'm pulling your shirt up ok because even on my dummies you know i don't have zippers because nobody wears as it were you a pull my short up and here's the reason why you do that because when they show show up with a different view later that has to go on the skin so we don't want to waste any time doing that make sense and see clothes off compressions which are the pushes him and then you go to which is you do wait until the different view later arrives or you see some other movement now keep you are used to be very confusing because there was a busy lady in sets of numbers right as long as you're not a nurse and a professional the numbers are all this and so hopefully somebody will look at this say they took a c p r class once before and i say oh my god that was too confusing yeah come back you know please come back take this he p r because even now the heart association says in our training videos it's better to do c p r and somebody who doesn't need it than to not do it on somebody who dies and so there's really no way that we can make a mistake because we're given somebody the chance that they had you know and honestly bob greene is alive today because he was at the gym you know there were people around i don't know if you was different related i actually have two students who saved lives son of an a center and it was doing c p r and they also had a different view later before it was ever a law i see them running in for the summer regularly actually yeah with the equipment and nobody's there around in new jersey it's actually a lot now and i was where i was reading it that it was after that schools had to have you know different violators available and in places they had to have one on site at a sporting event or a practice because when a heart like anything can happen and you hear the stories about the young kids football player you have athletes whose heart when did cardiac arrest even there was a baseball player not too many years ago but pretty famous like major leaguer and his heart he was it his hotel room and they found him anyway he'd gone into cardiac arrest because it's a it's a wiring kind of thing if that makes  and show we had were doing c p r when you were pushing on the chest think of it this way the heart is between in wayne and wish question the heart and guess what happens to the heart the blood when you squash it it's circulated so thin like a sponge you both are old enough to have seen open heart surgery on t v do you remember ever seeing a video where they actually they were in like an emergency room they had a person's heart open and the it they had gone into machine that they can hook up and it will actually press can do the cautions yeah i've not seen it i don't know anything more about that but again with parents you know really important i think th what they do they send babies home before they send babies home they go over this with the parents but guess what if you're just bringing your baby home your brain isn't yet about right my god right so one of the things i'll do is actually shall as a baby shift gift as a baby shower gift and i've actually had coworkers and those my favorite classes that teach you how i can go when we actually have baby sitting right beside it on the dining room table and grandma and grandpa foolproof and it will keep telling me to do that so what i do is notice he says put the pads on first as i put them where the pictures are so let's just do so what you want to go on this side training pads the shock goes here to here to here so what happens is it's a diagonal and that's that's what it's doing and now i'm going to plug it in because it would keep it stays on because here's the really cool part is is when a and t show up they just take this and they plug it into their own machine or the paramedics show up they take this plug it in and and here's the most amazing thing about it is it they took this to a group of fifth graders so when people are in airports and they see those white kind of thing as there's a machine in those cabinets when you're not locked so i say that because if anybody was ever in an airport and they heard somebody say call nine one one get an a they couldn't run by fifteen you know i didn't notice that i've been in the airport yet you'll see like err on the on the new terminals and they're not locked their alarm even in schools they're a long arm but they're not locked so what happens is a keeps them from growing little feet and disappearing they're still very expensive yeah all right about two thousand  right so it's really pretty cool that even if somebody doesn't know c p r and there's an emergency in an airport and they hear somebody say that they can want to get the machine for somebody and then just take it to him because everybody that takes a c p r class it is certified actually learns how to use the machine which is simple it is it really is simple now they do have a home version and and but that one still about twelve hundred bucks wow it was approved by the f d a but i and the person flies off the other that this is just a little like tricity like if you go to your physical therapist or you hire a proctor and they hook it up and what happen is it just kind of contracts a little bit but it really c p r those are really the connection to life and if you watch me fall on the ground and somebody says well i heard if i just call and push now i do want to show you this where people are pushing used to be this right here and it's all starting runs up this way and so when i'm putting my heel that way it's just right there now here's the cool part if you've got a woman you just go right between two groups and that's it now you've heard this a hundred times probably or more people are afraid to crack ramps sure guess what there are injuries even when it's done perfectly but as i always used to think better have a few i did have broken rib and recover in the when my brain's dead my brain's day and you know if that makes sense do you did you ever have to do with somebody because out my question just i've not had to do compressions on somebody i actually had to do the rescue breathing on my mom because my mom back at that time if my mom was to do what she did then again today i would because we never do we don't separate to two anymore the heart association we would do both back in those days it was you always check for a pulse to yeah i mean my mother had one so i didn't know her heart was still working it was the gas tanks it stopped if that makes sense and so my hope is in us having this conversation and talking about this it one we kind of the stigmatized you know people