n times female who are writers too to be put in other categories like the other day i was reading an article and they were categorizing charlaine harris who writes true blood and rice who wrote you know a few women who write horrors and even one of the few are african american women who write horror i understand that there's a list of only sixty in the universe of african american women who write horror and you are one of them well put together the list so i'm not going to claim that it's comprehensive but i did do a lot of research so you know i think that some of the women that were on the list said that if from that list had been written ten years ago there were probably been twelve women on it due to the self publishing revolution we've got a lot more women from this underrepresented population african american who are writers publishing deal out door but thanks to the self publishing avenues and social networking and we're in the information society there's a lot more access and ability for people who just love to write to put their stories out there and share them with the world yeah and then that they have a bunch of small press publishers that may be published people who aren't you know internationally famous but even those are very competitive and  know i think that with independent publishing it's kind of like when people were selling c d s out of their tracks was people still dream i mean you know back in the eighty's and ninety's when people were really you know getting big doing that because you g actually that started out as fan fiction right while light so you know i've heard lots of self publishing authors describe themselves as that parallel themselves to the independent rapper they didn't get a big deal but they've got the things the as in the hunger and a passion behind they are never going to get it out there one song at a time is like the so publishers are this we've got these stories that are boiling out of us this want to share there and we're going to get them out there show them one book at a time and it's not so much about getting the big deal or waiting for someone else to say ok you're worthy enough to put your story out there avenues now writers can just put their stories out there and whoever it does make it easier for them to get with the publisher and yes so everybody gets publishing independently isn't new no bucking the system and saying you know i'll never get a publishing deal because i mean right now i'm looking at publishers for an unwritten u published manuscript that i finished recently because there are good things about having a publisher you don't have to come up with your own editing staff which i think is a bad one that's yeah it's a big one because with self publishing that really comes back and bite you in the butt and reputation is going to be based on have out there yet how well you you know in most of us when we first start out our first book is is well edited is the included yeah and it's not so much always a rebellious thing self publishing is just a way of saying i can get my story out there but can also be as you reference to earlier a door opener to a bigger or a traditional publishing yeah but i think it's really important because i think that you know when you have john was like horror which has been just totally dominated by white men for hundreds of years now i mean really john was that was pretty much started by a woman like saif i that's a jogger that you definitely can say was started by a woman because back then even now this is totally dominated by guys on the highest levels of publishing and like i said when women write in the john they just marketed something other than her because they pseudonyms they pick a male name yet to pretend because it was just unbecoming for a lady to be writing certain type of stories oh yeah put it out there well you had us take on a male person that they have to in order to yeah even now ok even now work has cannibalism in there it's about ghouls they eat people they eat people that are alive the people that are dead they people that are writing they just eat people because that's what girls do but you know women nice ladies aren't supposed to talk about the reanimated dead or eating flesh or anything like that in you know if we do write something like that fare were you know before dracula and stuff came out because this was like an ancient legends back in the day so you know but anyway when i was reading that i started thinking you know in all of these stories people get if it works totally opposite way what if instead of being immortal they just age super slowly which is the case with these ghouls they age very slowly so that nine months is like six hundred years and magically make sense because they ate so slowly they look ageless right they look like they never grow or right or or change they look the same age so why when they're pregnancy tests and for ever  they were immortal then i suppose that the character in the book would just be pregnant forever and nothing would happen but these characters aren't immortal they have been infected with you know a s of gut flora it lives in their digestive tract and it survives on human flesh and it's procreative cycle is such that it just lives in their body and prevents them from aging very quickly until they age really slowly in when she became with either at the time she became a cool or shortly thereafter she's not really sure she became pregnant so she's been alive for six hundred years and she's been pregnant the whole time and she spent two hundred years having morning sickness so she's really pissed off about it and then would be yeah get to a point if you've ever been pregnant or you're waiting for to and yeah i want the pleasant joy of motherhood at the that you don't want to go on forever but towards the end it does get to be a little taxing on the body right and a woman can become irritable so put that and go all life standers right yeah the now things that go bump in my head so let's talk a little bit about things that go bump in my head i'm really thank you for free trade and i'm truly excited to hear that so yeah i just got like my first press review for that you know and that just from a reader and it was really good but it had spoiler side and like that they actually gave away what happened in some of the stories but it was really good but they called a bunch of my stories something that i've never heard of before which is called soft  r which yeah which i guess is means that it's very character centered because you know my stories are character centered because it's about ordinary people who find themselves in extraordinary situation that's an oxymoron it's soft but it's hard thought rock what is that yeah yeah how did that make it to tell you the truth even though i really love the review it just really brought me back to this whole thing that his horror yeah exactly i mean like take the stand the stand is mostly psychological it's mostly like how these people feel and what they're going to do now i didn't like something about the stand which is that it's in the pocalypse story we're all the black wrote that was there some resistance there quite wipe out the world the first time he wrote that was in seventy eight so he actually wrote it the first time before they really knew about that already yeah mainstream before anyone really that i read when i was fifteen which now i'm told my age but you know in the mike around eighty five three he had really written it because originally the rock star in it was a disco it seems like it's really based on revelations to me right yeah his story yeah and the part about it you just seen that he we wrote it from disco to rock a tells how we can be influenced even though we are artists we come out of our own society even though we like to contain control of our creativity as you heard it actually about science fiction like as opposed to just read a poor because in science fiction and i have you know a grip is a science fiction story that's in there for example ray and in science fiction you have to figure out what is going to still be relevant you know ten fifteen story takes place over a hundred year period in new york but they guy wrote it before nine eleven so there's no mention of nine eleven in it at all even though there's parts of the book that take place there so you know when you write a story you don't know what's going to happen but you know you know but but that's one genre you're always thinking that arthur's are always thinking into the future because fiction is written from a picture how we view the future now to far as hard because it gives credence so fast because you have to try to guess what's going to happen in the future in like i said in the grip there's a whole technology in a grip and that's based on cell phone technology and it's based on someone implanting so your device or device in their head so they don't have to carry a cell phone and then everything kind of springs off from there well if that happened tomorrow if someone invented that then that would be it everything in my story that was futuristic would no longer be futuristic and or not everything but the whole premise of it would be you know it would stop being something that was modern it would be getting needles and they shoot it in your head and then it only last resort here because they have to the brick red and then they got smaller and smaller and smaller but it but it only lasts a year because they have to so you a new cell phone and a year they shoot into your head and then you have to get a new one well that's part of the game yeah cell phones are or now yes or no ok and then the guy who invented it which is called an ear with the guy who invented it gets brain cancer ok but bodies or in you know machines or whatever so that's what that story is really about but the way that we get there has to do with technology and i had to figure it out and it was really hard so it's a lot easier just to figure out you know and you need to make it into a much smaller books because it's too long for young adult and it's too young adult for the adult market so i really edited that and then releasing it is a bunch of smaller books that are at their like little you know nice and in innocent i couldn't handle it so to write something else that was like kind of messed up so that happened begin people kept telling me that they noticed that i always avoid reading about like sex in my books because i was think that i'm going to write about it it's going to be really stupid you know like bad sex i don't want to write anything you know bad sex writing because there are so many ways you can write about sex that are not good what are some of th too long and when you get to over like three hundred or so pages people start to feel this too long and especially in the young adult child i think that's a good idea chopping it into smaller so everyone's moving so fast right the attention span a short yeah and you know your average mainstream novel by someone like patterson or something there's these are like three hundred fifty to four hundred page books and that would be great you know if you had that type of marketing behind you but e books and indie books tend to be shorter and i found that out kind of like the hard way but one thing is like it's a little over two hundred fifty pages and that's a really popular new no book length for that type of like really about a couple but it is a horse story yeah but it really is about a couple and it has sex in it so that was different but it's totally they're that damsel in distress right and see what happened i'm trip over his hill in the words and let them continue you know and mean so you know he's really helpless and she has to keep saving him and you know is happiness but she goes by charlotte because she doesn't like that name but the reason that her name is happiness is because she's she's you know her dad is like a greek like diety which is a type of dream spirit called me you know i'm going to mispronounce it but it's like only area or something like that but anyway whatever whatever she's basically something you know like a demi god i guess except for you know these dreams spirits which is what her father is which are the children of you know they got asleep right they they really live in the underworld they don't live on olympus they live in the underworld and they're kind of spooky and they're kind of like you know have some creepy stuff like crazy kruger stuff going on but there are named after different emotions because that's how they named so her name is happiness  d and the diseases part of yeah well all of her siblings pretty much make people sick i mean they cause people to have nightmares and then their energy and they suck their emotions in a sector dreams in you know the guy one of her sisters who you know is a spirit and isn't part human so she really doesn't care about people has attached herself to this guy and is just she's just going to pretty much keep tell me about your cover art because i know you do some art and i know that painting is another just like most writers they have another genre of art another art form of expressing themselves tell me about it about your artwork well the warmth the cover of warmth is an acrylic painting in the cover of things that go bump in my head is an altered photograph of myself actually did get my painting in expressions gallery and in you know yeah yeah phase and stuff so some people think you know it's all right yeah i do i do actually have some of your art so i'm really only as we  can you tell me and tell our viewers where they can find your books what social networks they can reach out to you on and how to use my