alternate focus recently spoke with ambassador manual has sassy on the head of the palestinian general delegation to the united kingdom born in jerusalem has a c on received his ph d in political science from the university of  twenty five years as a professor of political science and international relations at bethlehem university and has served as a visiting scholar at universities across europe and the united states has saucy on has published over one hundred reviews articles and chapters on topics ranging from palestinian political culture to civic society and palestinian refugees he has served as the president of u next goes palestinian european american cooperation in education program known as the peace program he has also represented and served as a consultant for the p l o in numerous negotiations we spoke with the ambassador about a range of issues from the arab spring to the feasibility of a two state solution but began by asking him to take a step back and explain the story of the palestinians over the last century the palestinian problem started basically with the beginning of the zionist colonization of feinstein unfortunately the allied powers that promised us to give us independence haven't they done us by making pledges to the arabs and to the zionists that they would have you know that on national home in palestine for almost one hundred years now this protected conflict between palestinians and israelis far that it had more than one dimension to it it's not only the territorial conflict that we are you know fighting for as much as there are other dimensions to discount clicked which makes it of these settlements most of these walls that are being built separating one village from the other one city from the is just not to create you know conducive conditions for people to run their own da living for example if you see a student wants to go to the university he has to start his journey three four hours in order to be at that university has to go through you know his road embankments in order to  school so what is the sense of security when you do that the intention here is basically occupation making palestinians few miserable the humanizing them by using all kinds of policies that eventually would lead them to give up and leave now if we look at the systematic policy of seizing identity cards of the palestinians living in jerusalem coming up with all these you know those that are totally in contradistinction and in contradiction i would say you know with the with the human rights and what have you and that are getting away with it for the simple fact that the united states and the international community are not really you know exposed  systematic policies all we talk around is cut current high good politics but if you go and live in the west bank and see how people leave the sense of mobility which is non existence their sense of freedom of expression which is no existent i mean the sense of free trade is non existence the prices are high our economy is totally dependent on this ninety eight percent of all consumer products come from israel how are we going to build an economically viable state when we are totally dependent on an occupying force that has been trying basically to create impediments to our infrastructural development and that's why private sector development has always been very weak in the  almost one two point six million palestinians in the west bank let alone one point six million in gaza don't have any kind of accessibility to visit jerusalem and jerusalem is considered to be the essence of this conflict for the simple fact and then you know they create this sense of indiscrimination that makes people very frustrated especially when you touch them on the nerve of religion where they cannot really practice their religion that makes it even much more complicated that's why when i said in the beginning this is a protracted conflict it is a protracted conflict with so much complexity with so much complication that the territorial dimension is only one dimension that is engulfed with other a i feel myself you know living in an open air concentration camp it is shameful that the international community has seen this in person they have been to the west bank and any of them they have seen it on television definitely he becomes when he comes back it becomes proper listing because he can see the injustices inflicted upon the palestinians in a way that it is ridiculous in the twenty first century become anti semitic we become the deniers of holocaust you know all these lexicons that is used in order to milk the international community in terms of support how long is the international community going to accept you know this oxymoron of democracy and occupation being practice par excellence at the same time while people are suffering like six million people are suffering on daily basis from the vestiges of this occupation peace with the palestinians it's only grabbing their land and living like a party a stage with a siege mentality that would be totally isolated from what they call themselves to be part and parcel of the middle east saying that politically what kind of a regime that is working you know under the circumstances could be independent economically we are not independent and politically we are not independent for the simple fact that you know even my president if you want to cross from one city to another and if there are blocks you know settlements or whatever like checking points or military checkpoints has to happen mission to pass imagine so what kind of government are we talking about here this is  government that is just running the daily lives of the palestinians under occupation when we had our negotiations it was not the authority that had the negotiations or is this and this makes me come back to hamas when they say  political polemic that eventually the ultimately you know the end of it is propaganda and they talk about you know the palestinians being terrorists i don't understand when it comes to our right for resistance we sternly and what have you there were you know gangs giving people terrorists nobody then talk about them as terrorists and today to talk about them as of course freedom fighters and the way this is the propaganda machine that the all over the world and it is unfortunate that the united states which for it's just that the chick interests i mean and i could elaborate on that in detail as has this time which is organic to i would is that this metaphor i say is the relationship with the united states is like a catholic marriage there is no divorce but when you talk about you know the relationship of the united states with the arab world and with  they would support the state of israel because the state of israel is considered to be a domestic issue in the united states so the decision making process in the us has always to factor the domestic issue that is israel which is part and parcel of that so any foreign policy decision making has to factor israel because of course of the lobbying because of the neoconservatives position because of the christian zionists if you put all these groups together they could become a very potential force of you know of pressure on the on the united states decision making process so it is not easy for us to change those perceptions and of course all these  the written in the newspapers and what have you totally biased you know for israel from that perspective i go back and i say we have accepted the state officer and we still do believe in course the arab spring did not surprise the arab world neither the palestinians this was a long overdue uprising because if you look at the history of the arab world for the last sixty years  legitimacy and credibility and most of them came as a result of there has always been it wide gulf of inequity between the political systems and their civil societies there were never any kind of synchronisation choosing between secularism and fundamentalism have been going on since napoleon's invasion to egypt since seventeen ninety eight when the arab world with mohammed ali as the governor of egypt then was stunned and baffled to see the modern developments of the and between fundamentalism the failure of secularism by the fact to give us boost to the rise of islamic fundamentalism and the stomach fundamentalism per se uses all the tools of democracy not believing in democracy because ideologically islam does not believe in democracy it's them does not believe in nation states islam believes in universalism and the question of religion here is very important for the islamists because if they believe that islam mixtape is hand democracy by nominating themselves for elections and by winning elections and by doing that basically they will come to power once they grip that power they are going to stay there to push the see the rise of the youth in the arab world the highly educated who are affected by the facebook mentality who are engaged with internet and what have you they have played a dominant role as a matter of fact a pertinent role in the process of this uprising and this uprising will subside basically because we have seen that the old guards have taken over this young generation movement and from that perspective i don't want to sound to be pessimistic but i am an optimist by nature in the near future i think you know there won't be draconian changes on the political scen tunisia or egypt and what have you but i can see it down the pipeline ten years from now i can see the dramatic changes that are going to take place because it will take some time for this suit to regroup to organize into a political party that could have a certain set egypt vision with an ideology of how to rebuild that state and how to create that nexus between the civil society and those political systems now the impact on pakistan of course it  that in itself you know gave the wrong impressions to the world that if the palestinians are divided how the hell are they going to have their own independent state now saying that i see that the palestinian  continues like that i think you know it would be impossible our suggestion would always be a one state solution and i think that would be the ideal for israel for palestine and for all