her interests are promoted personal growth and self discovery in people to create better relationships to themselves and the world looking brighter and to my right here we have a dream a dream is also a core member beer and a doctoral student in the east west psychology everybody hi larry so i wonder if you tell me a little bit how about how your studies reflect or how the studies reflect your view of life you're  was an opportunity to bridge both practices psychotherapy and spirituality a lot of what has been happening is psychology and psychotherapy have lost that connection to spirit which is what shamanism brings connection to spirit to oneself connection to others connection to the world and by doing that and by bridging those two together i think there is a personal transformation that happens in people somehow we with the use in the teaching of plan medicine it's the one that i mostly work with is it's a very deep  of knowing oneself and then discovering what could be the place in the world then you can have with that self discovery with transformation in that only happens with experiences but also there's a lot of aspects that we see in ourselves while we are in any kind of antigens and a lot of those experiences need to be grounded in everyday life and psychotherapy especially in transpersonal psychotherapy is from the jungle will colombia and it's a brew it's been used in rituals it's been used in many context and the context that i've that is my focus bringing spirit basically to everyday life but especially in that land such audience brutality seems to be a little bit different than more of the traditional ways of using i want to talk a little bit about this so much as the act of having sex and yes there are in that or that should people tradition yes there are thirty at the and one has to you know through foods through certain foods salt caffeine refrain from sex and the explanation is one sometimes needs to keep their energy in order to release and heal and connect to oneself and there is an expression obviously of of sexuality  speaking very interested in what way and as i learned more about the organization i came to understand that they are involved with funding research with clinical trials around the world for looking at the  modes and methods of healing and through just kind of casual conversation i came upon maps and so i started to do some of my own research and read up more on the topic and started  organization and learning a bit about what they had to offer and to then see i ask him on my radar in a very strong way and i learned about the philosophy cosmology and consciousness program now and that program seemed to be a good home for me to die a little further into my own questions and so the questions that i've come to p c c with are around what do you know what is the sum of this therapy to potential what can people achieve what types of healing can they actually experience within cannabis d m t l s d and there's a lot of beautiful beneficial information and reports out there and so from the perspective of being a physician it interests me and before so one of the things i am excited about in terms of what eerie has to offer and why we're all doing this together is that we're really providing a forum for education and trying to dispel the myths that people have around psychedelics a lot of people don't excuse me think of these things as drugs and think of them as destructive and it's my opinion that it's a lot in our approach and so something can be a healing experience or it can be a traumatic experience depending on how one approaches that whether that's a certain medicine or an intimate encounter with a friend so i'm really committed to providing people with information about how they can take several speakers there are one person who will be speaking about the uses of essential oils and how they can help to induce altered states of consciousness which can lead to antigenic experiences tapping into that divine essence within another  participant will be speaking about the bio chemical factory in our own mind that is producing things such as d m t and other potential and the agents and we will have the clinical director of maps giving us an update on the latest research simple reason that i was an opiate addict whose life was saved by evil game although of course i'm i'm a woodstock nation kid so i did a lot of journeying back in the day i was not unfamiliar with theo jones although the term is relatively new for me psychedelics as i used to think of him in any case i had tried many things to escape my addiction and relapsed every time when i did he will again it was completely different evil again totally addressed all issues of my addiction and gave me a freedom a window of opportunity to begin doing the personal healing work that i had to do after a long time as an addict and it gave me if you will energy and a tool belt that i had not had before to do that work so  jungle people and when they wanted to know how to live in the jungle they went to the jungle masters the pygmies and asked them how do you live here in the pygmy said choose this route and you will see evil aga unlike all other in the origins is taken from the root of a shrub in the ground most of all the other and the origins live and grow above ground in the air in the sunlight so it  my speculation that because evil game comes from the roots of a plant and it's in the ground and addiction takes you down into the pool tonic rounds then you know that's why it's like to do what i can to advance the cause of entering he will gain into the american pharmacopeia so it's legal and could be used in what i envision as inpatient locked ward treatment but that would make it available to be paid for as a treatment by insurance which would suddenly make this the treatment of substance within the the possibility of many addicts because the alternative is you have to leave the country travel some distance go someplace else and spend thousands of dollars which of course most addicts don't have so i would like to get it legalized but of course that means expanding the awareness of the understanding of the nature of this medicine and its possible uses in the minds of well the governing officials the authorities and the government and the legal system but also the  awareness of the public at large are very dynamic active interacting scenes that the drinker goes through for healing and spiritual growth but i think since we're all here we're all talking about it's coming from so many different areas i think of a really fascinating just a little dialogue about working with people and helping them integrate their experiences experiences done obviously for the same reasons of illegality here in the country a lot of experiences are done outside of the united states and you know peru is one of the places that people go and can drink i os guy and other medicines i think those medicines help people view the world and themselves from a very different paradigm than the one that is right now happening where is the world very disconnected very individualistic and  it's the loss of soul and spirit and the connection to nature that connection to each other in different ways it's almost like we need to bring back a communal aspect and that's part of that nature as well i think this medicines are the ones that give us an opportunity and also like what are you doing with saying we need to do the personal work to bring those experiences in our everyday life to really change and have a different paradigm or consciousness we need it will be well i really see in the regions as one of the supreme forms of technology that we have available to the planet and for by humans i see that in clinical practice while people come in and are struggling with one or more alterations of mood whether that's depression or anxiety or both it's probably about eighty percent of the people i see have some sort of probably underlying sense of despair about their life and i do think that there's a lot that can be accomplished through traditional psychotherapeutic methods but i also feel that and the engines really accelerate the process and that what can be accomplished in one eye off the session or a guided m d m a session can often replace six months of psychotherapy so i think that there are very powerful tools that can really act as catalysts in personal transformation and in the collective transformation and they also offer an opportunity for visioning and visioning is something that has also been lost from our society there's there was a time i believe that we woke up and talked about what our dreams were and the dreams informed what the day's work would be and now most people don't even remember their dreams and it's not about getting up and living into what your vision is it's about getting up and getting a lot done what needs to be done to fit into a model of kind of a rat race at least in this country so i see that there's a lot of soul loss in people and we see that reflected in how people really treat the environment and the may but particularly in the ones that come from the plant realm i feel like they're compassionate wise beings that not only want to help humanity to awaken and preserve itself but they also want to preserve themselves because they so now it's growing there and with i believe a compassionate spirit of love for the whole of humanity and the whole of the planet and for its own self preservation as well  larry i think that first a transformation of the public consciousness about or about the world view about the kind of cosmos that we live in is required to make everything we've been talking about here meaningful we know the end saw the universe we accept the presence of spirit in various forms and and follow william james's mention that there are so many other realities separated from us by the thinnest of veils that we can access but if you are firmly locked into a completely materialist world you says that everything isn't a matter and everything that we see has just happened meaninglessly by or by random chance then everything we've been talking about here tonight would be ridiculous to talk about while last i was to be heard and plant teacher has a message for us that's meaningful for us but we are united in this world view and partly i imagine because of our own personal experiences with who which can offer a vision of an alternate possible reality but you have to accept that in order to make anything of it so in erie we  address research obviously we're all doing research of one sort or another we address integration because if we have these experiences and don't work to make that experience a meaningful part of our life which means doing the hard work of change  then the value is lost and education we're all engaged in trying to educate the public at large that many of the the things that they think they know about psych s are actually some kind of hysterical and untrue propaganda and that they are much less dangerous though not without serious concerns not something you'd want to do casually  but that they're not as dangerous as they've been made out to be in that they do have like they're all most of them are all schedule one legally which means they are highly addictive and have no medical value whereas the truth is just the reverse so part of our jobs all of us in our own ways used to spread this information and and have people know that there is medical value and personal spiritual and transform possibilities available through these actions and it is you touched on the idea of play a teacher and this is sort of a conversation we've all had individually when or if maybe each of us individually can talk a little bit about our connection with the teacher maybe experiences with a a lot ska and a lot of the times it seems like if i am lost god gets in the person and it's almost like teaching them how to feel to look inside how to connect and it's almost like i have a life of its own you know we can have intentions when we go and drink i alaska but it's almost like she has she really has a way of teaching that sometimes it's beyond our beyond what we think we either accomplish or that we could feel or how we could hold it and it seems like in many sessions well i have ongoing lifelong love affair with plants in general where that's a house plant or something in the garden and a couple things that i like to mention about plants is that number one they are the only energy producers on the completely reliant on them for that sugar even if we're eating animals animals or eating plants so we're also completely rely on them because they're producing oxygen and without them we couldn't exist we would just expire so those are two kind of biochemical reason why i love plants i've also been studying herbal ism for over ten years and i'm extremely passionate about the use of plants in the healing arts practice and so i use  plants for their from a logical actions for their physiological properties and also for their spiritual dimensions very often when i'm custom formulating the remedy for a patient i will include a few drops of a certain plant because of its energy and its spirit and so plants can be teachers in that way used for medicinal aspects and obviously the entheogens can be teachers on such a gr