educator what does that mean so i actually started my career in marketing i was working in marketing for a company called dun and bradstreet and was really happy with that but one thing that was doing at the time i was in the music industry i was doing concerts i was a concert promoter so well when i was in college and continue that work but i always had a love for working with kids and so i went back to school and i got my master's from columbia university and i started teaching in new york city  as a math teacher in new york city and i did that for about ten years and i was called to become administrator and that continued on where i became an assistant principal then a principal middle school principal in new york and the bug just kept on pulling me to become more more of a leader and i went on to become a deputy superintendent in mount vernon new york total now you know malvern in new york and then eventually i became a superintendent in new jersey that brought me down to new jersey area where i became a super to  masters of columbia university in my dr frankel me to versity and my focus was not on just education my focus was on adult learning so i want to do really learn how adults learn because i felt that if i can really help support teachers and administr i seized a job and now i think i've really found my purpose in my calling and that is to really help adults and so i do two things one i work as an executive coach a life coach for adults i've been doing some work with some ministers i'm around the country and what i do primary work i'm doing work with principals and district leaders throughout the country so i'm in atlanta north carolina virginia california used in texas and i go into the schools and i really basically try to help support those particular leaders and they're in the work to do doing a school was ok why did you choose to retire but not really to well you know i think we're working for a system probably wasn't exactly what i need to fit me i needed to have that freedom that consultancy freedom and but i had already put in enough years to get the pension that you get and the health benefits so i said i might as well finish the last ten years and it takes about twenty five years to do that kind of work and to get the pension as i continued on but i tell you that retirement brought on a new life for me that i wanted to have my own business and to move a maneuver and i think the most important benefit is for me to help people i think that that has always been my purposes that really help people really help how adults learn and i found that adults learn quite differently than most people think that's interesting so will you ultimately retire i don't think i will ever retire i think that when people slow down i think they actually slow their lives down a little bit so you know i still go to the gym three times a week avid golfer and make sure i do that on a regular basis and so i balanced the work so i will work for week and then take a week off work for a week take a week off or even work three days and so my next week this week i have all of the holidays is here things given is around the corner but the next week i'm in three different states and so i work hard so i can enjoy it but i think i want to just keep that border moving until the motor can't move anymore and i encourage those retirees you know to find that place that space you know i kind of think of purposes as your passion push it gif it was your purpose and then i asked my definition is that you have a passion for something to continue that even if you do it in a small scales like if it's you know you want to get into video or anything of that nature just you know do it at your church is to the god in your mosque and what do you want to do outside of what you love to do what you know and what added things to you also it's funny like my book in this is connected to golf and so you know it's golf courses around the country and around the world so i was able to accomplish one of those i want to oregon which has one of the top golf courses in the world they have three of them in one place it was a really good occasion for me because i've never been into that part of the world of that part of the state and it was po ray and people playing golf in the pouring rain it was unusual for me so that was a great opportunity i'm looking to go to stream song florida which is a nother golf location in pinehurst in north carolina and i want to go to  and see the beautiful courses out there so i kind of live around with the golf courses are and that's what my bucket list is for me and you're kind of able to tie that into what you still do does exactly right and it wasn't right so do you have any and this is how i mean i asked everyone is you have any regrets but it does sound like you have and what you know is forty i started my i was a marketing major i graduated marketing and i started my career in the music business and i think that had i with the right direction in the business i was doing the concert promoting so my first concert act was i had married and i had i'll be sure and they were new to the business they had in so i started doing those concerts and you best a whole lot of money so a couple of my friends from college we got credit cards we maxed the credit cards we could we didn't have the money we opened up an office on fifty seventh street and we just started promoting concerts had i known better i should've went on the management side of it so  my i still love music i listen to every forms of music from classical music to reggae the jazz and the r and b and rat so i still have that love so i have my regret would have been i should have went the other direction in the music industry you know so i had to put the that side of the business was a little harder for me i wish i would have known about the management side a little bit so do you think if you ended up doing that you wouldn't would you know you would probably not be where you are today you  know i would have always been an educator ok i think that i would be you so yeah that's what i've always i like the kind of the behind the scenes that we talked about earlier today i like the being behind the scenes person i thought the managing of people  educating you know so i thought that that is where i was and i think that still i probably would not have be where i am right i still have a love for music i don't think i want to be a manager of any artist now i have the patience for that i think that i person to most yes so they had an early retirement program that was fifty seven twenty five years in the system and i took advantage of and i jumped on it and so i collect pynchon i have my health and now i'm off to the races with  you know a whole new level of life and it's almost like a new start and i love it so you are married i know that yes how did it you know when you were married and you were working how was your life changed in terms of home life of course life everything talk that she believes that the travel that i do is a lot of fun it can be hard sometimes you know getting off and on planes and eating properly i really haven't taken advantage of some of the cities i've been into because you're working you're  him back and forth to school when i'm home so i think that i try to help out but i don't talk about retirement let's just doesn't have that's my so not so much with your wife but how about with your son because when you work you work eight ten hour days you figure you  time with what is kind of hard because i'm a way away so i had to get a tutor for him because i usually help him with the math so i get a tutor for him because i just don't have the consistency of helping me with that kind of stuff but we do and think it's hard when you enjoy right so you enjoy what you do is different you not you can really can't call yourself retired because you're an entrepreneur so you know i'm retired from one from one job so i actually  enjoy life for me and save you always thought that you wanted to be a single you know join a church mosque or synagogue join the choir there or whatever it is that you feel you want to pursue like i talked about music i still have this like thing behind me about music there's just nice well very interesting because i have a lot of different singers on and they're all like you know a lot older than you i have had seventy five you know somebody i think that turning seventy seven and they are kind of like they worked they literally worked their whole lives ok in the now it's like i'm just enjoying i don't do anything i want my grandchildren but you don't have met story stories very different no it is funny my father worked until you passed away but he worked until his body physically but he was manual labor he was electricians so he could not do some of th same kind of things he did before but mine is just using my braids and so if my brain doesn't work anymore then i'll slow down when i think that i need to be continuously moving and helping people get better when they do so then how about here's a question for you to those people who work manual labor work until they're done and then literally they're done right maybe we have young people watching what better advice would you give them full for their future like for their lives because for instance you said if you would have gone into music might have been a different path so do you have a device because it sounds like i feel like your story is a good story to tell people i have a seventeen year old daughter and i'm always like you know if you don't want to go to college don't go to college is not for everybody it is expensive right figure out what you want to do so maybe you have a message for younger people who will when they have to retire and hopefully don't work a job that they hate their whole lives until the end yeah  different directions for you and sometimes you are working a job that you may not like and you have to do it because you have to you know live and you have to eat right but don't let that running control your life so you have to try to find things in the midst of that you know reading books finding and there's some really quality books hope you find your place in your way even while you're doing that full time job so that when you no longer are doing that job you are able to maybe move over or move over the same time i think about as like a pyramid or triangle that you're doing this job and you slowly can move in make the triangle smaller not doing that one and as that one is getting smaller this other one is growing so that you can actually begin to develop so for example so you are like tradition and you know that's where your calling is for the time period you have to do that how about expanding yourself and creating a group of electricians and so that you're not having to do the manual labor more often as if you have a group of people working for you or a team that's working together less so i'm always thinking about how do you expand yourself to make life easier for you so even it is the consultant work i do i'm doing the work i have to be there i'm looking now for plays that i can hire several consultants to be there for me so i don't have to always be in that place so as to remodel my mind things about how can i expand myself and duplicate myself so i don't have to  be you know handle weddings i don't need to be to have someone else do that now and so i can have multiple weddings happening at the same time right you don't want to have multiple that you take that for me ok so you had mentioned something i thought so what is it that how to look at their numbers and how to whatever your goal is how to either grow your church or how do you have in schools how do you make students do better in school academically by looking at numbers and data so i look at quantitative and qualitative data and so we do it for the alice's and i try to take the leaders out of it and let the people the teachers do a lot of the work in this process but really finding it looking at numbers how to change your life so i got this process from rudy  giuliani who was a mayor in new york and they started this process called com stat comparing the state and you basically and he he was able to drop the crime rate in new york city by basically looking at the data  and so he said what is the highest time during the day that i crime rate is the highest and most people don't know what that time would be so what i would you think that would be possible new made me noone but why i don't know but some people normally say two in the morning anyway the criminals are maybe out two in the morning but the normal people are not sort of crimes that high crime is high between the hours or three or five well and so he looked at the data and i thought you know well yes because who gets out of school at three o'clock right the crime rate is high is said to be five so just to make a long story short he really dug into the data to basically lower the crime rate and the crime rate dropped dramatically when he was point so i look at that and i do that the same thing for people in churches and like why your numbers go into spike up and down let's really look at it some people have feelings about that and that would be a qualitative data that you know the things that you feel badly want to look at the numbers as well so i do a lot of that work and so i try to incorporate that in with also teaching and learning how did you find out figure out that once you were done teaching that's what you wanted to do you know you're when you're doing stuff you start liking and enjoying it and you live it i try to do coaching i so coaching mentoring consultancy all different so mentors basically talk about what they've done and share that i coach i try to get people to find out for themselves so out throw tidbits out with the information to try to get them discover about what's best for themselves what was best for the school i don't try to come and say this is what you should do i really believe in the coaching you know i a lot of questions as you're doing here not interview so people can really find themselves hey it's interesting that's a very interesting because most people retire and they're like ok i'm done you know speaking and to different people and other guy you know he said that once he retired from a job he felt like his life had no purpose and i said why is it i work for fifty years or whatever it was and he said you know he had nothing to do and he was literally lonely when i don't know that people who and if you're in that place where you're getting ready to you've got a plan for return so how do you plan you've got to you have to start thinking about what you want for yourself like what if if i had to do it all over what would i do so music was one of the thoughts but i also know that i like to help i thought about going back to be a counselor or therapist but i said that wasn't the place for me i think my place was more coaching and then that's when i looked into getting information about getting a coaching license to start coaching people as well so i think the advent of coaches has changed at one time it was psychiatry as people went to when they needed help and then it was their openness they went to and it counsels not coaching is even though it's been around for the last ten or fifteen years that has been like the new wave of people who are helping support people find themselves their career and so i believe that seniors in your retirement place you need to have a coach you need to have a feeling about smart what do i need to do with my life right i work fifty years but life is not over life is just is actually a beginning where is almost like a new beginning and so take advantage of that opportunity and you might say you know i'm on the state budget or there's a mat so it might be somebody working you know at wal mart se going to wal mart realizing that was an adorable place for them and they never realized they would want to be in retail right and so i said i like the fact that a number of companies are hiring seniors to work it's a different area because they find it this is enjoyable place instead of being at home all day to go and work for you know four to six hours and they have a really they like the place that they're in and never thinking they would be doing it that way so you were you had the benefit of being able to plan because financially you were in the school system it was different pension that i write like you said everybody doesn't have that so what advice can you give for people who don't have that option well you of course you have a certain amount of money that you may have as i said it could go  interesting so what else do you want to do that you have golf you have travel that is incorporated in your in your work but right else there has to be something else art painting i had some people say they want to learn teacher and he was mad and he found out i was in the business and so i was so at that time jay z idea makes more tours i was going to concerts every week just to see jay z and i've gone to a couple more since then but i love i love jesus yeah  well if you said your wife's not retired how much longer before she retires and you guys can finally say hey we're going to do what i'm going to still be working you're still going to be working on me every time so i think in the five years ok i will be six years she doesn't really have any plans like for example because that coaching part i see things for her that she doesn't see for herself and she doesn't have any interest in that really here so it's kind of hard you know i see her doing things independent of working but you know she's in the business and she can do book i'm going to writing a book about it it's going to be called the barbershop series and so it will be different books a series of books of people