show i don't believe because well lying is such a weird thing because what is it and why do we do it and and why don't we do it all the time or maybe some of us do because lying just seems like in order to lie it's almost as though we have to have the idea that we could somehow be caught so if i can get to myself to a place where there is no evidence that can make me admit that i lied then i'll never  so you've this is postmodern politics well it can be yeah well it's we see it a lot now and we haven't where yeah as long as i just continue to deny there for you no matter what evidence you place in front of me i just keep saying well that's fake news that's not true as you know you're a lying well that's yeah that is one way of doing it but you know little kids do the same thing little kids will sit there until someone of authority that they trust says no you're wrong and then you have  are you thinking that we should start trying this tactic like claiming that time and are the world's greatest band ever i don't understand what we would gain from that but i don't understand what people sure really what i should do with your talking to the right guy here really all yes i had went through the same thing last year this time really and i know exactly what you should look to great because i'm i'm not sure what i should tell day went to school just a little bit early to tell all my friends to stay away from my mom she has an illness  high now that song i'm going to see try to figure out where that person went wrong right i wasn't in saying all these things that were factually perhaps in correct i think this whole song went astray for him when he right at the beginning of the beginning when he admitted that he lied his real problem was that he admitted that he guides so everything else happen like for instance that he said that his mother is dying an illness right and then ever discover she's not it's only lying if he admits it so if you believe everything you say you're not lying right it is actually postmodern approach right that's what it is and that's sort of what i'm learning from that song that that the mistake that that person did is admitting that they your dream it can be anything i want just follow follow your dream  so thomas when do you live i'm going to guess you've pretty much never done the type of line you're talking about i think it's always a lie to try to make someone else feel more comfort well yeah i guess if somebody is going to mis understand the truth then you tell them so that presumes that you understand another person's mind or more yes they can which of course everybody does and that you're you're actually doing it out of a perhaps a misguided but  a sense of compassion you try to tell yourself that yes to do make them feel less uncomfortable right whatever it is right but that's not the same type of motivation behind this other line you're talking about where it's just about saying whatever i want to say because i want to say it but if you truly believe in a narcissistic way that only you exist then by making yourself feel more comfortable you are making the universe feel more comfortable so lying in that respect really is helping the universe because you don't believe that anything exists outside of you but this is getting better and better you know we're going to have to start opening seminars and charging ten thousand dollars a head for this you know how well because people are racked with so much guilt this is like exactly the way to get past it right right just realize that only you exist right i'd only your opinion matters and therefore by satisfying yourself you're violence you will feel confident and after seeing them second time you will validate your deepest fears so we invite you all to shadow face with your friends and relatives and colleagues hi everybody welcome back we're talking about this useful thing that we call lying yeah and we're not totally sold on this idea but maybe the idea that we're wondering about is maybe the whole problem with lying is that we had myth that it's lying and if we never admitted that we were lying then everything would be fine so how does this enter into personal relationships if you never if you lie about everything never admit that you're lying then you never actually have to seek forgiveness either right now or given this is bad because then you're admitting fault and you shouldn't have to admit fault because you should never do anything wrong because you don't because you don't think they're right i like this this is my new life philosophy yeah in as far as relationships go it should work out fine for you q the doug wins again yeah and the reason is because nobody else exists so whatever they think is either based in correctness or it's flat out wrong yeah yeah they're lunacy you know they could just see the world like i do they'd understand how dumb they are yeah and i see this you know like sometimes a little kid will want to see the world in that way i don't like it this is been very educational thank you tom thank you charlie parker played be bop charlie parker played saxophone the music sounded like bebop never leave your cat you come back and join us next week and they know they can count on me doug to be here on the dog show for them thank you doug you're welcome use human relations as an exercise in self destruction