welcome to more politics i'm your host bill ford my guest stated jewish power is the power to assure that jewish power is not much discussed jewish power clearly obstruct examination of jewish collective behavior both in palestine and in washington d c where american politicians or intimidated my guest herskovitz further warns that jewish peace activists wrecked the palestinian solidarity movement acting talked about how the jewish peace activists wrecked the palestine solidarity movement that actually stall in the language from the palestinians which called it the palestinian liberation movement well it's been now morphed into a solidarity move because it's easy to say i stand with the palestinians i have many jewish friends that say that but what does that really mean i think earlier you had brant rosen rabbi brant rosen from illinois on the show and he said he stands with palestinians that he's working with palestinian solidarity what is what is he really demanding and when you look in you when you try to parse out what he and other jewish peace activists are saying you find that many things are missing for instance where is their call to question and discard the claims for israel's legitimacy so you're making a distinction between solidarity and liberation i am and that solidarity is weaker what does what does it mean i don't mean the grill you but to the people that are listening what does that mean to be in solidarity with somebody who is talking words if you're people feel good but otherwise we're discussing jewish power that we  that is just an application of jewish power it really is in my short history i say short it's been twelve years now when i joined the peace movement you know right after nine eleven i was really appalled appalled at shocked that i could not get palestine on to the table and that the jewish leaders of the local movement in ann arbor would say things like well we don't want to play the blame game you know and i scratch my head and say you know if you stole something from my house i would blame you you know why can't we blame israel for the crimes committed against the palestinian people well that sounds like an instance of denial which is part  you know yeah that's a mechanism by which jewish power operates well that's that's true and you know it's not only a denial it's a inability to manipulate the end higher conversation flowed like we're going to be anti war activists but we're not going to talk about israel there's only criticism of love old against jews for what they do even though it's you know alleged that it's for what they are you know the past is invoked you know these floodgates of hate and violence you know can shield them that's and i think some vital questions are not being asked i would theorize that they're being prevented from being asked but but what we want what would be wrong with the question of why were jews hated in germany as an example yet you brought up the holocaust before and so many jewish peace activists are willing to bring rwandan genocide which is our absolutely and but if we call that a holocaust then you're in danger of being labeled an anti semite or is that word is patented now ready and we talk about white supremacism in south africa in the eight activists like josh rubin are running the u s campaign to end the israeli occupation what is this word occupation and i said occupation is just a symptom zionism is the core problem and they the thinkers in england said oh no henry you  believe it was wellesley wellesley college women's college in massachusetts and they tried to get his job his crime was that he brought in the the existence of jewish slave ownership  and complicity in the crime of slavery and so there was an instance where the onslaught the cries of anti semitism were heard and zionism wasn't an issue at all it was just a jewish involvement in the black absolutely these are these are what the there was a i guess there was a discussion in the early forty's some of the reform rabbis got together and say oh no zionism is bad judaism is good and these you know there was about ninety people that signed a document ninety rabbis and these eight hundred you know and if you keep score like i always do eight hundred crushes in ninety you know and they said they said no folks you know that the bible is replete with stories of conquest and  judaism has been permitted to bloom we spoke a little bit about the lot oxman he's my friend and as you might know there's been lists of people that are shunning him and advising other and that's you know when you when you read the book and he defines zionism differently than than i do i think design ism is like you know the love of the state of israel in the desire to create a jewish state he defines ion ism as a  being the power to ensure the jewish power is never discussed you know and and you can you can test it out that when jews get into the peace movement they begin to take over leadership positions and then slowly steered away you know from from blaming jews you know whereas paul aizen clearly say that you know here you have this jewish state with jewish soldiers with weapons bearing jewish religious symbols you know killing and maiming palestinians but to blame jews for this crime seems impossible to do how do you define a jew i just define a jew as a member of a club you know mainstream jewish zionist movement and in the peace movement you know the peace movement very reluctantly coming around to admitting that the jews like myself ashkenazi jews never came from the of land over there and we don't want the people on it and we have this doctrine this ideology that we're all subject to right so being a jew that is a club or group w is you know a word i'm not real familiar with but we're certainly inculpated into that indoctrinated into a into a system where it's us versus them right and they are out to get us which doesn't really work very well in a broader society that creates friction absolutely no no is it fair to say that judaism equates to zionism is it as the religion is their role or is it separate  more than jewish peace activists are comfortable with right they want to separate so again they can claim the victim card we poor jews are as subject to zionism as much as the palestinians and what a crock of once and i don't believe that the the the answer is like oh jews in the twenty's and thirty's and forty's were scapegoated so maybe the jewish power isn't letting us examine these things because it's threadbare when we get out that it's the emperor's sleep you know and yeah it's like thing is twisted and you're right if they hear a conversation about you know jews they will go over there and and and demand the person talking about them what are you talking about right now and it in this book he says when that someone in the audience identifies himself as an atheist he says well your parents atheists know they were jewish so it comes down to that in them and so i reminded his point i think it was michael newman to talk about the shiel rights no cultural identity sorry a religion yeah yeah you can you can move these cells all around and and so it that part that part doesn't matter but that but the jewish power is at the is that the cor it and the people even playing the shell game are guilty of that it can we say that control of the media which can control the discourse has been essential t zionism and jewish power and so absolutely it's part of a you know a triangle of power where the media domination by jews and i can say that with or without flinching because it's just so obviously true yeah he served in a position i think which was a civilian positions you'll still try to weasel around that looks like a week ago was that israel had the white house when he became chief of staff oh yeah obama well there was a story in the one of the new york times magazine that said obama is the first jewish president you know and and it's so so telling i mean but we're you know if we look at it as americans we should be very concerned that the mayor of new york city is jewish you know where his allegiances certainly the allegiance as you pointed out of mayor of chicago is to israel first serve in their military and not in ours i've heard it secondhand than it's probably news but i just gets by me that the mayor of  a is not jewish and you so you say well because they're jewish in and of itself doesn't mean much but sit back and say what if the mayors of these three major cities united's knighted states had second citizenships in countries like kuwait iraq you know jordan you know wouldn't american say hey wait a minute well we would examine that under a microscope or look at individuals they're poured over a collective that operates with zero yeah a lot of cohesiveness cohesiveness and organization organization and the lobby comes to mind here that catapults them into those  and my point is that the lobby is working the same way that the peace movement does i mean and i'm not saying or claiming that there's some grand conspiracy going on where jewish peace activists to meet in  basement and say ok we're going to do this and we're going to do that it just seems to be a power flow like paul aizen told me that you know when locusts come to devour a cornfield they're not instructed that ok you locus number three twenty seven go take those two stocks of corn down you know and they just do it you know and i think that's what we're observing here that's a natural reaction it's natural it's a connectedness with a shared hand and i don't think we should avoid the term but i think we should examine it for instance you know what i know about the holocaust is two things and one is that very few people have read holocaust revisionist narratives permitted because the right job of our it's hard to find it your public library books by kevin macdonald books by gam are rudolf david irving you know when david irving came to speak in detroit we had to go  you know high our density our identity for a while to find out where he was going to be and he was shielded because he didn't want the the mainstream zionists to come in and shut his action down i believe there was a european catholic bishop that w s threatened with arrest and maybe excommunicated and there was actually a writer who was actually imprisoned in europe for quote denying the holocaust well  deny the existence of god you know and walk down the street but not that you do fishel story of the whole yes and in this kind this is jewish power absolutely i mean and it's not only jewish power it's very telling because if you  say you deny the rwandan genocide i can show you reams of data that support that you know you know if you deny the you know the holocaust you know why don't we just provide them with reams of data you know the  collective definition here of jewish power which we're trying to work with today and you know it's interesting that it's been written about but zionism and national socialism the nazi ideology share the jews as separate from the rest of society yeah there was in that sense they they were one at that sense and and you know it's now that the national socialists no longer exist we have th the jewish national socialists that that exist what jews separate from society they want to separate from what you're going to believe is going to create friction especially if you're exploiting this the host nation the host and the parasite i think solution either you're going to be a parasite you're almost to have your nation within a nation your people would or is there a way for it to be compatible with its host nation there's clearly ways where jews can exist within a host nation hopefully when israel has is ended that jews that have lived there will continue to be able to live there because i'm certainly not demanding or suggesting any violence be done to anybody in fact in obviously in fact my my efforts are is to end the violence you know but ending a state doesn't mean necessarily using violent methods to do  that it's just unfortunate that the state was created as a jewish state by jews and when the jewish supremacism is defeated as white supremacism was defeated in south africa south africa the name was able to  remain but when alice knight becomes a democracy and people get a vote what are they going to vote for on their on the name should we be israel should we tell us that that's a no brainer we're going to palestine and israel beyond that you know and so there we won't be you know strickler jewish state absolutely so why don't we hear from jewish peace activists like brant rose and i'm not picking on bradley you know i don't know the man i'm sure he's a wonderful guy but  he calling for an end to the state why isn't it calling for an end that you were supremacy is and why isn't he demanding right of return which is something that's kind of oh yeah we support right of return a lot of jewish organizations will say but they're not up front  know in their heart of hearts that that means the end of the what's also i think i attended his talk in seattle i think there's an instance of cognitive dissonance or just delusion  the congregants and the in his synagogue also the people that attended his talk or dealing with things that we care what in the mirror and self examination it's just going to be too painful yeah you have to let go of too much we're contend that it's going to be a whole lot less painful than to have a petition a repetition of history you know because history will repeat itself you're talking about genocide against palestinians no i'm talking actually up and this might be where my successful the top socio economic class in america still have acts that they're just you know one brother away from auschwitz right exactly that's and they need this refuge israel yeah but you'll say you know the only way out is through and if these jewish people aren't willing to take that examination like you say to look in the mirror and say what are we doing collectively that's pissing people off we're not going to get to the to the root of that problem and when a majority population is manipulated by a two percent mite minority population and it is manipulate and it's manipulated to the majority's disadvantage they're not going to like it you know when joe six pack opens up the body bag of his son coming back from afghanistan and iraq maybe iraq and the future and he realizes that these wars are being fought by americans for the interests of israel we wouldn't need this massive organization this funded with millions of dollars the jewish lobby which lobbying and the staffers on on capitol hill that write legislation for the  t congressman you know the behind the doors threat that if you run for congress and use and you say something even as benignly as palestinians should be treated with humanity and respect you might find your opponent gets five hundred thousand dollar is sounds like you're saying we want jewish power has reached a corrosive lovell that it is really wrecking our democracy that is rocking the palestinian solidarity movement but it's working on the macro level democracy of america and europe it i subscribe to that i think it's actually happening when you have such a compliant media i mean just think about trying to name a novel  fictional novel where the jewish person is the the vile mean diabolical murderous rapists and such or you can't you know and and because you couldn't get that book published even if you did write it you know and you wouldn't get good reviews it would be trashed what do we do about it we we highlight it we expose the people that are using but somehow we have to get around jewish power ensures a jewish power it will not be discussed exactly and in some ways it's going to take an effort from the the christian world to to roll up their sleeves and that's what the jewish community can use is a big kick in the ass by the christian community and say we're not going to play your game anymore we're going to expose this thing called christian zionism we're going to focus on what jewish zionism is what you're saying is get over the fear of being labeled an anti semite absolute is ironic because and that hatred henry i want to thank you very very much for this delicate but in depth and really vital discussion on jewish power it's important we have th