she will we cry all i mean it is friday excuse me for that i had my headphones on it just blew my own ears out but anyway we're having a program today on medical marijuana hemp legislation and sort of looking at the fact that what we want to broadcasting on the hamp issues we're very unique opportunity here in washington state commerce arena and it's very interesting that washington seattle is a leader right now in broadcasting broadcasting in certain ways that we can helping me on this on the associate project production of this program so that we can start using the means to communicate from our community to our community and i think it's an honor today we have hillary brick and she's a lawyer in what's called medical cannabis business walk in it's the we have the background here the cannabis law group you guys are going to go there here in seattle i think it's very interesting this is all new as i mentioned years ago legislation what is it well legislation is basically taking a blank slate called the senate's congress whatever it is and you have to educate them and you have to inform them of what it is that you're going to be perceiving to do it could be like medical business law which i think is a whole huge future that's why if we start educating not only our state our city our country and north america working with other people seventeen other states right now legislating to have medical wellness medical help wellness what about veterans wellness veterans wellness programs across the united states and i think it's very interesting that we have such an educate panel today we're going to hear from don barrington choice wellness wow that's a dot com charges wellness centers here in seattle on the university way on the up as i said to mikes on here and there we are and it's good to see everyone go ahead hillary tell us a little bit about where you think the future of temple legislation specially medical legislation across the board nationwide  experiment and they're going to figure out what they want to do with medical cannabis most regulations are going to be the same state state and then you've got two pioneers in colorado and washington that are actually both simultaneously considering recreational legalization very very progressive in colorado i don't know the name of the initiative but here it's initiative five o two should this go through it could change the face of medical cannabis in washington state however right now currently we're we're dealing with the collective good law that we've been given by our study six nine five one a back to the bottom line where is this going in the future sixteen states and d c have regulated for medical cannabis and like you said will seventeen other states have it on their ballots or senate bills something is  d what i'm hoping we could be usually means of recognizing things that are going on can you sort that out for us is for ours like what it is that legislation is doing right now legislative beers on can you help on this i mean you know  know you're working with your state legislature what does that mean it means talking to the right people the representatives that approach the best finding out the people who are opposed and trying to find a happy marriage between them some of the senate does that i've seen produced you know they tend to prioritize different things a lot of them really focus on the business aspect aspects of cannabis namely access points which is now the new term it's a term of art there's no legal definition but it's basically the storefront for where you obtain your medical cannabis a lot of those focus on that because the current legislation that we have the current state laws are unclear as far as what you have to do for incorporation whether you have to have a corporate status and what that means not to mention the tax verifications that are created by not knowing the answer to that question  you know then you trickle down effect you've got minas a power to use that some are choosing to regulate some are choosing to ban this really is the easier nut to crack rather than your state legislature because i think for a ballot initiative it takes something like over two hundred thousand signatures and there's a requisite amount of money that you have to meet going to a city council meeting and voicing your opinion where you come in from the community is free and frankly very affective because you get and cameras session with people who are in your town people who just like you  hopefully and i find that it can be very effective currently my law firm is fighting the city of lisi the city of tacoma and the city of bellingham because they don't want to come to the table and regulate which may be up to them it's costing taxpayer dollars to put their money where their mouth is well other cities like the city of langley have actually approached us and said can you help us with collective garden regulation so again it's that theme of variable chaos everywhere it's better to be able to sit down with your legislators and talk legislators th to try to beat down the door when they're not listening so i went to started a local level and then worked my way up to the state but don may have a different issue than this which actually actually  federal ottis is another tough nut to crack and i am no pro call moss collar what i've been told by representatives like roger goodman he's currently a state representative is that it takes an act of congress the attorney general's office can basically declassify or maybe even potentially an executive order from the president unfortunately you've got pretty strong lines of who can do what where based on the supremacy clause interstate commerce clause and things like preemption where federal law is go preempt state law unfortunately the feds come in very often and say that state law albeit it's great people voted for this they're still federal law and it will i hate to use the verb trump state law and that's the way that it currently stands as far as declassification goes where really needs to happen is we need to get state representatives into congress that are pro cannabis and start starting the racket to declassify because it's a very sensitive volatile topic and it's really going to come down to your state legislators more than anything else because i don't see a president in the next five years taking on that accountability to say you know what we're being hypocritical cannabis is a lucrative industry it does have medicinal benefits i'm going to declassify that's a tall order for a single individual but if it's  lot but we really have to do that in this i know that the city of shoreline was ready to absolutely close down over access points and a group of us went to the city council meeting and while on the city of shoreline now can patients can actually get access in a geographically convenient manner and there are there are you know there are some wonderful access points in city of shoreline so we're going to the city councils and even if it's not your city go to the city councils tell them your story it really does affect them because the city council and the state legislators have an awful lot on their plate they cannot be experts on everything so it is really our job to help educate them to let them know the information that they need to know because the what they do very often in the end you're getting nowhere is right on that they look at little business rules that they can implement we're really not looking at the total picture of what's going to be a benefit to patients and what's going to protect the people who are providing for the patients and that's what we really need to have more codified throughout the state and you know don makes a really good point even in the microcosm of going to something like a city planning commission meeting there is so much demand for assistance because they don't understand the laws and maybe they have a city attorney maybe they don't with the case of the city when really they actually do not have a city attorney which i bought was strange i hadn't really come across that before you know it's kind of a fresh thing because they really are you know they're doing their own thing within the bounds of the law but on this in particular they needed help because they're very small and regardless you know cities have fear the federal government they want to try to do the right thing most of them their hearts not enforcement which is encouraging but that doesn't mean that they don't have to run the gamut of what do we have to do when it comes to public safety licensing regulations taxing permeating it's all concerns that other industries would face if they wanted to infiltrate a city so if anything these sessions of getting together with your city planner or city council members it's an opportunity for education and it's an opportunity to bridge the gap and take away some of the stigma i mean let's face it there is some social stigma and the way you break that down is to get in front of your city council face to face show them where you are what your business plan is and you fight for yourself and that can be a very diplomatic conversation which was what i find happens most of the time a lot of people don't want to put the boxing gloves on some do but i can promise you those are less found than those who just want to listen and want to to try and because a lot of people do recognize that there are medical benefits here whether the federal government is going to sanction that or not so it is encouraging to sit down with your local legislators and say hey this is the game plan this is medical cannabis this is how i fit in how can we work together compromise is a great thing and scorched earth policy is don't work very well in some context you know and that's what i find is effective is sitting down with people and having a conversation having a dialogue it's less scary for both sides involved i agree i found i found when i went to libya well sixty two sixty five was a sixty two sixty  still in committee and still being processed before it died and i talked with a number of senators and a few legislators and representatives and they are very receptive they will listen the best time to talk to them is when they're in their districts and since  we have a short session this year that means they're in your district a lot and i really encourage everybody concerned with this issue as patients as providers go talk to them they're very receptive i  the others for your comments and i appreciate all the information and i look forward to more i just want to make one brief statement tonight as i think i'm calling myself when i call myself tonight an expert on finding out if regular people are getting screwed by something so what can i talk to the viewers just for a quick moment here vote now on i five o two it socks i read it and it seems really over regulatory and really crazy unlike some weird people are trying to slide that in on a soap if you listen to my music or talk to me on the street or you think that my crazy opinions are crazy like a fox opinions are worth anything just read that thing and decide for yourself don't let me talk into it but remember point of view but i would like to know about legislation for industrial hemp do you see any interface between the medical side of things in the industrial side of like the legalization or decriminalization that's a very interesting question i've not  hemp that you want to make out of petroleum so there's a whole universe of manufacturing possibilities for him and there are a lot of interest vested in keeping it out of the hands of intrapreneur and micro industriali know i believe that the want can of us started december nineteenth i believe it was in one thousand nine hundred and that was the day they announced ray on that was when big business began to look as the  enemy we've got dupont we've got a number of companies we've got weyerhaeuser lot of money is invested in keeping him from from being on the market in being grown here it is it is such an amazing crop because we could have three three crops a year it's it doesn't ruin the earth we're not nice guys in the forestation we can make i wasn't we can make sure we can make just thousands of things rove wrote that's another thing everybody knows that deals with rope there is no finer rope than him for over there you cannot possibly get a nylon rope that equals him fro so of course the have tremendous amount of money invested in not allowing us to utilize sam here we talk about save the planet more and more people are getting conscious of ecological ways of doing things and imp is the answer to so many things in matter clarifying decriminalisation i don't even know what that is i don't know what the difference is it to me to me regular folk quote unquote my quote  it was easy to tell i was an attorney because i'd take a really long time to give you very simple answers so i'll follow suit with that so currently in the state of the law all that you're entitled to is a qualifying patient as an affirmative defense case law on the books and dictates that that means it's an excuse to break the law it doesn't necessarily mean that what you're doing is lawful however there are different contexts where from a defense kicks and where it does make the conduct not necessarily lawful but not necessarily illegal  self defense self defense can actually make the conduct lawful per se because you're defending yourself in the context of being attacked now with medical cannabis the deal is that if you were caught with it the police could still prosecute you they could still arrest you but you cannot be convicted at trial it's an affirmative defense at trial so you know i have the city attorney is arguing to me that an affirmative defense literally means nothing for qualifying patients cannabis in the state of washington is still legal and that is totally inaccurate it may not be decriminalized but you cannot be convicted of a crime for its use distribution of possession production if you're qualifying patient that was the intent of the legislature and that is the case today so while people are talking about legalization and decriminalization it is the same thing to the best of my knowledge it is the same thing and right now all you have is an affirmative defense and the do decriminalization would make it impossible for police  potentially i mean it depends on what the legislature comes down and says if they still say that you can't use it public if you violent you could be in violation or interrogation of the entire statute right i don't know what they're going to say about using it in a way to i mean i think it's such a low bar right now you can't even publicly displayed it or you lose what you're entitled to present although i was told eight months ago by a seattle police officer that if he saw two people standing across the street smoking and one was smoking a cigarette and one was smoking a joint he would go after the one smoking cigarette so at least in the city seattle that is kind of the stance are taking i have certainly do not advocate people walking up and down this road smoking cigarettes i think that i was smoking cannabis i think that's but i get what you're saying this is classic prohibition and we all know that it doesn't work it's quite clear that it doesn't and whichever way legalization comes down i want to be fair to qualifying patients at the end of the day because we can push for legalization of anything but there is an underlying constituency here that is the genesis of this entire thing that gets lost in the sauce when you talk about recreational legalization because that that was very harsh right now at least i five zero to the proposed law is very harsh when it comes to enforcement of duis and things like that in the regular patient you know one of the things i'm very very concerned about is with five o two is that to me the way i read it it throws medical marijuana patients under the bus if we can only have five nanograms in our body or were nickel marijuana patients we certainly encourage everybody who is able to grow their own so they can ensure that there aren't any poisons pesticides or bad things in their medicine so they can have quality medicine and i'm really concerned about a number of the issues and viable too because it would put if the if those restrictions will apply to recommended patients we're totally turning upside down the very law that we passed in one thousand nine hundred eight to provide for medical don for returning to the issue of five o two and being specific and that really helps hillary it sounded like you were saying that we're somewhere between marijuana in the state being considered illegal or  why you people are arguing that an affirmative defense means nothing in the context of medical cannabis if you cannot be convicted for a crime has occurred and been committed it's kind of like if a tree falls in the forest is anybody going to hear the sound again and to me the answer is no and that's the beauty of our countr they are innocent until proven guilty and if there's no conviction there is no crime so how can you say that it's a crime excellent can i make one more point judge manoli non judgmentally i'm an observer on the streets where i play guitar and i'm on one famous even brownies thank you i have another question about a practical side of the business there's a right now there's a fifteen plant limit generally speaking you can exceed that in certain cases and i personally i consult with people on how to maximize those fifteen plants and whatnot and i i personally don't think that's necessarily a practical limit for people who are trying to provide for themselves i mean there's an awful lot of variation between plants within the same strain though and fifteen plants really for many patients they need more variety and a more steady supply than a harvest every now and then every between say six weeks and possibly fifteen weeks for some of the or longer growing strands so how do you how does somebody who's actually trying to make a business in this field deal with the arbitrary limitations put upon them and how does anybody actually innovate if they're trying to operate within the frame of the framework of the grey market oh i can really only tell you what i've seen and let's start out with the bigger broader basis it depends on where you are in washington state where you're going to be allowed to have as far as some cities really believe that there should only ever be ten patients ever in a given collective garden so that would be ten people splitting up forty five plants that yield only seventy two ounces and some of them go so far as to put an arbitrary date with that on it which i believe is unconstitutional because that's not what state law says it's very restrictive now let's talk about reality in seattle what do you see from businesses their state law doesn't say that you can't have more than one collective garden you can have multiple collective gardens on site that means forty five plants seventy two ounces  decide now you're running the risk with the federal government because once you have one hundred plants that's the magic number for mandatory minimums as a lot of us well know so a lot of the businesses what they do is they'll have multiple collective gardens on site multiple flower and buy it on site from those gardens and in that way they'll try to find variety of strains and variety of product and you can be a member of multiple collective gardens at once so a patient can come in and join five gardens if they so desire and take product that way and get variance that way that's what we see a lot while it's it depends on how you would define common law in the context of cannabis a lot of people argue that you don't have any common law rights to use cannabis i'm not necessarily one of those people the problem is is that nobody has decided to sue on this particular issue and realize their rights so as far as common life common law rights come into play i haven't really seen anybody try to make that argument so i don't really know what would happen as far as trying to say my common law rights trump legislation i don't know one last point but i say let's vote if you want to be politically correct you can't miss patient for the what it was an exploding u twenty sixteen substitute for somebody who's honest in the white house because the war on drugs has been illegal from the day it was conceived until today and the only way to change it is from the top down we all have to exercise our rights as individuals to make our voices heard from washington well the other washington to limpia and change everything in between because saw is that we have let's face it from a military standpoint what the enemy is done is they've decided if they can't beat us they'll confuse it's we have the power let's not be confused real quick and this is sure if you want to get ahold of me go ahead and give me an e mail at info at cannabis last seattle dot com you can also reach for your own tunes are six two two four five six five seven a word of advice for anybody out there that wants to get into the industry be prepared it is a roller coaster you got to fight for your rights ok and they are out there they are totally viable and basically it's an assessment how badly you want to realize your libertarian rights step out use cannabis for medical benefits it is their ads right for the taking you're very key to that we've got your website there's blogs we're providing web dresses for as far as how they get ahold because we have to educate other state councils not just ours i mean right yeah so everything and they get a whole year we got your information air and well it's all the right for air and it is friday night we're here in seattle talking about hip legislation i will be wilson it will be it will be will be yahoo or you don't have to get old me that's fine but somebody has to care so i get hold myself on that because i'm grasping to find out what's going on your city councils judicial people things like that the don't know anything about what is you know something we forgot about a hundred years ago and built this economy they print their money on it now it's maybe time to really think about that seriously i think it's very important that we think about economic collapse wyoming's right now the whole city state council is preparing its state for economic collapse i think it's time that we think about that if we don't have money anymore what do we have the stuff that created it we printed on it quest started started again somewhere let's do it so we're going to get back to a council people here we have a panel and everyone thank you for being here tonight plus we've got the back of the green hope patient network we're going to hear about that by week we're going to build some information we're going to hope to get out to educating helping people learn about standardization when you have a new form of doing something you have to be able to put a means of what is it how do you do it protocol it's a regulation kind of don thank you very much thank you for being here let me see if i get your mike so i'm everyone talking we get you up there ok we can hear you go ahead and this is the only life so job i'm going to start with a panel of people here her dot com you can reach me at her but at her dot com you can listen to me at ninety three point seven you district and i'm here because my family was broken up over the whole medical marijuana issue by my priesthood leaders and also medical marijuana patient and concerned citizen ok go ahead and that's dawn right there don i don't do anything with joyce well most and we can be reached at two zero six six eight two three let's hear some some information from your standpoint you were do we go with this legislation i mean are we doing something right or what i mean i don't know we're going to find out that's what we're doing these programs were to educate people the ones that incredible job of helping lead the means of helping to establish a way of thinking where are we going with the standard medical marijuana we have to look at it from that start give us some input don't really go let's get some ideas where do you start what is medical marijuana protocol what does it mean what is it where do you start to tell me where the clinics across the state they have to follow the proper protocol to do it right where do you go where we start with proper medical care you know competitive about it we're very friendly basis for the last couple of years and then one of the reasons we wanted to have laura here tonight is because green hope is one of the top access points in the state for patients to come to and i've spoken to that at the shoreline city council which is where green helps located and other places because it's so important that the that really quality medical providers are allowed to operate open freely legally so that we can provide for the patients yeah i would just like to say the biggest part is trying to teach people all what medical marijuana most people think it's just people want to get stoned on that  and it's not it's recreational users use it when they want to medical marijuana patients who use it when their body tells them to use it so that's a big guess and then educated numb that there's more ways than just smoking there is ingesting it and topical ways that i have lots of clients who don't even smoke at all who use other ways and the legislation and they just don't understand that there there is more ways of using the industry you know washington and that his huge that's a huge difference is not just a matter of semantics it's because people can be fired for the use of something that's not prescribe so they can be loaded up on walks and cotton percocet and half a dozen other things that are killing your kidneys and they're all their organs in the process and they can go to work and everything's just fine but if they're utilizing cannabis their jobs can be in jeopardy and so that's another reason why we have to continue to educate people get it off a schedule one let people be in use their their medicine that specimen for their condition and i look at it also as you know there's regulations for vitamin stores and vitamins and stuff can kill you but yet we have we don't have any of the same regulations for medical marijuana which more and more doctors are realizing and the benefits of cannabis and how it gets people off all of the different opiates that are out there that are killing people every day and ruining families and it's almost like nobody cares about that how are doctors in the state protected then in this state if they do think that their their patient needs to have near medical marijuana grow out of work and it's written into the law in nineteen nineteen and all the revisions that have happened since then the doctors are are protected from arrest and prosecution what we need of course a loophole and a lot of doctors it's their insurance companies are threatening to pull their insurance their health care malpractise insurance if they write these prescriptions because that was my are they wrong recommendations excuse me because that was my own doctor he was all for it but his insurance company told him he could not write these recommendations anymore that needs to be changed that needs to be that if they don't write their target anything else how come they're targeting doctors who are writing these recommendations for marijuana in the state of washington how come they're getting arrested and indicted right you said we have protection i didn't know they were i'm not i indicted right i'm not aware of any of them getting arrested or indicted i think they're getting bullied in other ways of going on to getting reviewed by the medical assurance quality that's them and it's not fair i mean it's if the doctor in my opinion if the doctor can write me a prescription for percocet or xanax he should be able to write me a recommendation with no questions for cannabis it works so much more better than any of those pharmaceutical pills i would like to point out that eight hundred milligrams of ibuprofen actually kills more pain than almost all the opiates that are out there right about the corporate company called normals do you guys  associate with that company that started a long time ago who are trying to get people aware of you know the benefit that mere woman has on the general public that united nations it is an organization not a company it's not a profit making course it's an it's exactly how we get together in the do a lot or remarkable things to educate the public on all sorts of variety of things correct and then i think then they aren't the only ones i mean there's americans for safe access is doing a lot here in seattle we have the cannabis defense coalition which knows a tremendous amount of educating and making brochures about the law and getting information out to people so we have a number of organizations that are working we all got together and said we need to police ourselves so that we can teach the legislation and show them that look this is how we can exist and that we're not we're not a hindrance on the community we're authorization no and that is talk about their let and that is that well we only have seven qualifiers in the state of washington intractable pain is one of them and that is what most people actually go through because of that injuries diseases and so forth in terms of our soldiers and quite frankly i think that the way we treat our our soldiers is just abysmal in this country and one of the things that i know that we've talked about on this program is is setting up the framework so that as soon as cannabis is off a schedule one we can have nonprofit veterans wellness centers that would have cannabis really for p t s d we know the research is there it is especially the city of us phenomenal they hope we're that in writing that veterans and and people who are qualified to use that medical resources and cannot be denied certain services because they are medical marijuana patients because  up until recently vets were being you know i as their medications and services if they showed any use of medical marijuana now they can't do that to them anymore which is a really good thing because we know it's so effective for p t s d in many of the other finding out more information about the programs that you guys do check you can check laura's website a green hope you can check the choice wellness centers website in seattle and we do have information posted about that caller clinics well we'll tell you we keep that information out of the because we we are very committed to educating people and educating the population bomb on all aspects everything from legal to the best ways to want the medicine in this laura said you know the one of the complaints that they stablish that if you will hand against using cannabis as medicine is that you had to smoke it which is not a very healthy thing to do so we have come up in the industry with a number of ways that we can get people to be very beneficial to people without ever having to smoke and then as soon as we did we feel like we're being slammed with this panel on this panel of restriction which  easy if you take a pound of brownies and a pound of goldfish you're going to have twenty times as much medication in a goldfish because they don't weigh anything chocolates heavy so this isn't being treated rationally at all which i don't know and it's not medicating to you know to be so stoned that you can't function y arthritis really good takes care of the swelling in the inflammation helps with emmaus patients i have several that before they can even get out of bed they have to use the lotion just to be able to get up you know and they were on of certain types you can get short term memory loss a lot of times you actually get more focused and you can concentrate better on what you're doing so can you get some munchies you do get the munchies horse to carry that cart so they allowed us to use can of us and to grow our own but they did not allow any place for us to get it we have to go to the black market or to an access point which we're trying to create but to be able to get the medicine even to be able to grow in a home and so they go into so school loan everybody says yeah you get to use medical marijuana but there's no access to it so we need safe access and not you know delivery services are people on craig's list we need a safe place that's regulated everybody's authorizations are checked doctors are checked the product is checked so it's not laced with stuff or who knows what be yes yes all ultimately yes but legislation could even put in their own and change the constitution of washington state to protect washington state's citizens i'm colorado's already done and the feds already said they're not website point i want to make is that there actually are no side effects to cannabis there are no side effects to any medication the drug does what the drug does and and what cannabis tez is it gives us a higher quality of living and saves our lives the other thing it does and most people don't realize that cannabis is more idea and i drinking than alcohol so that when you get trying out you're just your body is screaming for water so if you're utilizing cannabis on a regular basis please drink lots of water i don't mean beer milk or soda pop i mean waters you can drink those other things too but you don't need them why you would feel so much better off from professor gizmo but yes yes i'm also really intrigued on these articles we have in the local papers about the issues of medical marijuana that we've been putting up there will be quick quick shot of the data this week this march ninth that's the seattle weekly the high road yes they're want to let people know i'm doing a little tours for medical marijuana patients that are from out of town or newtown and you get ahold of the area code two zero six four seven eight  the legislature not doing lobbying is it of any value whatsoever for us as citizens of the state of washington to go down to a libya and make statements in front of the legislature on different specific days when different things are being heard and so that's one of the things that i was asking you guys about you know how do we get all of these things out there to the general public and what kind of things can citizens of the state of washington do in order to protect themselves at this point because because the congressional session is about oh yeah it's really best for you to wait to come to their home districts go talk to them as a constituent of their district and talk to them  g all these months and months we have before they go back into session and this is the time to be getting them like a week or two from now and city council members are really going to go to the local town hall meetings and scream and tell them like look we need sa what are you doing to allow us to have safe access to c n n right now has really good safe access outside of seattle it doesn't really have that great of you know the and so this people that are having to drive hundreds of miles to get their medicines so everybody can go to their local town hall and demand and that they have access and the problem is right now a lot of the city licenses for different buildings and businesses are being revoked because