solutions group so that he's been on the show before but i'm so thrilled to have you back thank you and i don't know the record on a one on one show before so i'm excited either it was and somebody else in the room yeah this is great yeah perfect perfect so today we're really going to be focusing on cost conscious resiliency and what it really means and how that's focused on some of the work that we do in corporate america but really where some of this work starts from a personal perspective so some of the work that we have transition to from as a change management organization is really focusing on leadership on the culture of an organization and on executing change well and right sean and i in our last show we talked a little bit about executing change well in my opinion and what that what that kind of needs but in how we evolved our work we have really been taking a look much more strongly that the leadership component and around things like mindfulness and being present and we just were having this conversation before we we clicked these cameras on today that i  meaningful in talking about where that begins and you know i have even had the question now that we're doing things like my full leadership and this type of work with with three years and then throughout the organization had to get here right so tell me a little bit about your personal story because you've been really a catalyst for our organization i'm going to say to kind of bring us to this next step and you've brought me in a way with where i now have evolved my own personal journey around it so tell me what great yeah i'm so glad to be thought of that way so thank you for that you know my journey has been an interesting one starting out in corporate america always on the talent side helping clients to build their culture whether it be as a full time person or a consultant what did i find out that i always did best when i was aligned with leaders that had the same thought process philosophy as myself but who also resonated with their goals to build that culture and did everything in line with that so what i say is it's an individual journey and so i'll just take a couple of steps back with that because i can go to my own individual journey so after doing that work for many years and being very good at it i was always asked what your what your kill like what is it secret you're so different i have a secret sauce what is it and i would always say well it's kind of my intuition and people would look at me and say well that's really not measurable so you know from that perspective that was kind of disheartening but that was also mike my closest ok close that off don't talk about it anymore so obviously going on for twenty plus years doing that i really decided at one point when there was a lot of changes going on in my life that i wanted to be my authentic self i want to know who i am what drives me what's my purpose where do i want to be and that happened about five years ago that's when i really started to realize my intuitive gift sort do a lot more transformational work with people and then of course after joining ally gave me a great opportunity and thank you tara for that because it aligned to me with who i truly was because i felt that we had total alignment in what we were trying to do maybe it wasn't fully baked at that moment but i knew that your goal as an organization in helping leaders and you know managing large transformation projects was to really give them the insight give them the tools but also awaken something inside of them which is what has to happen so for my own journey i have worked on awakening that part of me i meditate every day which i never did in my life until about four years ago and started with a question that someone asked me and said you know you take a shower every day you clean everything your body you dress nice you look beautiful but what have you done to clean your soul so that for me was the awakening moment that i had to really go inside look at myself face my fears and really think about who i was as an individual and what i was going to bring to the table and what paths i was going to walk and who i was going to do it with yeah yeah i mean i just i feel i live this with  erin when she was younger and you know young young girl fifth sixth grade i mean it's really difficult to figure out who you are and be comfortable in crowds of people or you know in mixes of of other peers and feel really comfortable being yourself and i would say to her all the time when you can be your genuine self when you feel that online men are so no greater gift it is it is just beautiful you feel so confident in yourself and so peaceful and nothing i was saying that from experience but they were just islands of experiences in my life you know they were wow you know at that point in time i felt so kind of good about myself but then it feel like life would wash in just get crazy very distracting and chaotic and then pretty soon you're just like where am i in this mix right so you're you know your gift to me was to introduce me to so many things one of which cherish and look forward to so if i don't do it i know that i'm not feeling well operate as i could be but it's just those moments of peace that we give ourselves permission we'll just clear our minds relax have peace center in on what's important if you're spiritual on why with the creator and there's no greater power i feel like then then when you can clear that away and you can get just really so solid and comfortable in yourself i still it's freeing so part of the whole thing that i go into is energy i totally believe in energy listen let's keep it simple we are all part of energy porter a greater energy is a little we create an energy about us when we're all on the same page yeah like minds meeting together and i feel like this is what's happening in the world right now i mean after this week of tragedy and the political scene we see what's going on there's a ton of change happening a lot of people want to put their head in the sand and run away from it because of fear but if we face our fears head on and we become part of the change we have a lot more power right and i think that's part of it is feeling our power and and and dealing with our fear right i mean i was sharing that i had a conversation with some friends at dinner last night and and we were talking about doing the work and that there is you know there's kind of an interesting shift happening yes in our society with people that want to be their better selves whatever that looks like i just mean you know you go for a run in the morning i've seen is that something that's bettering your physical absolute health care any type of self care and any type of you know way where you are loving and caring in yourself but really right to your point and i love this aspect is is facing the fear we all have stuff right we all  religions yeah have handed us down a lot of rules that really kind of don't work for us and if we don't look at it though if we don't take the time to look at it and see and deal with some of  it and care for it yeah then then it becomes noise and it becomes things that are are shifting us and influencing our day our decisions and our behaviors and our thoughts and i feel like it's enabling us from being who we really are it does and you know in terms of who we are as individuals we're everyone someone different we're a leader we're an owner of a business we're a politician we're mom and dad at the end of the day it's the individual journey that gives us the power and right to be who we are so those leaders that are in corporate america right now some of them are scratching their head they don't even know why right but they know something's different and some are afraid and are giving into the fears of the peers around them of the groups that they belong to because ok we've done it this way all the time right but that's not really going to be allowed anymore because the frequency of all of us starting to ask these questions is moving if you work so i'm really excited about it because i feel like we have an opportunity especially as an organization to enlighten leadership and it doesn't have to be a radical thing it can be something gradual going back to the individual we see a lot of leaders speaking out today in regard to this energy into thinking about how they want to be aligned but most of it  come in the wake of tragedy for them where they had to realign their own selves but as a result of it they're doing great things for themselves and then turned off some things for their organizations so that's what we have to do let's just move the needle a little yes and then we'll see great results in that everybody will get on board yeah yeah so i think that's one thing to remember whether it's a personal situation or our professional opportunity to do this it starts with something small i tell people ten minutes a we have ten minutes a day just to sit quiet you don't even have to do anything and do something that works for you personally well and of course there's a business case to mindfulness and this is what we talk about all the time i mean the statistics around how present leaders are and are and the best marking that's been done where you know forty to fifty percent present is what's being reported on and you know when you think about that you think oh my gosh you know if you are fifty percent distracted what does that look like in terms of decision making or your ability to to really settle land to what it is you have to deal with and by the way not respond or react emotionally when you know you could take that two minutes of time to kind of redirect but when you go to any corporate meeting you can see that i want to be able with everybody and they're opening their laptops and they've got their phones on their toggling between them by the way someone speaking at the same time we're not present i mean beyond the fact that it's really disrespectful yes that is it is so respectful when someone is taking their time to be present with you and they are there to impart knowledge or have a dialogue that you give your entire self to them i think when someone looks into your eyes gas like a big thing today it is you know i was at store one day and this woman was talking and she was ringing me up she never once looked at me i was like wow i just sat here for eight minutes probably she never made eye contact with me even after she gave me the receipt she was on to the next transaction it was said to me i would i was like you know but this is what happens yeah yeah well i was kind of funny because sean in our last show brought up this picture that he had which was really funny it was of an event happening over here and maybe twenty people who all had their cell phones out and they were literally watching the events while filming it and there was one older woman who was kind of just there you hunkered down actually watching it and it's you know are we watching our life through through cell phone well and what i was really doing to the human experience and i think you know it aligning it back to the conscious resiliency and what that looks like for leaders it's the ability to really care of yourself fully it is you hear yourself yes you're also absolutely organization absolutely right and think about you know shi in that alone how powerful that is what because i don't think we value ourselves enough right we value the things that we're doing we value all of the outside activities but we really don't value ourselves in our own space to create that you know that special place that we reserve for that time whether it's ten minutes five minutes whatever it is and then once we do they have so much more aware of the little things and we become part of a bigger picture  bigger connection right of other people so if a leader is leading how great is it if they're so open and present they will get so much more engagement and you know contribution from people i think in all of these organizations people just want to be heard and seen yes first i want to be seeing well and we've talked about this in relation to something that we're launching which i think is is a game changer i think it's it could be you know life shifting not only within organizations but within our society called the corporate kindness project yes which we just had trademarked and it is really a program where we are taking a look at leadership culture and social responsibility right and how are we connecting the dots in organizations and how we getting organizations to align and and by the way define who are you what do you stand for what do you care about if her health care organization what does that mean if your only end goal that patient or should your angle be everything on the journey to that patient right and i think that things that go on in organizations but they're very siloed yeah so if somebody comes up with some kind of an employee program or related to health and wellness that's one little thing right but it never really is baked into the actual culture of writing we operate how do we  another how do we care for one another's act how we show up for one another really i mean how do we treat one another and we know that kind of has a ripple effect we know that the mere observation of someone being kind to another person instills kindness in us right now and what that looks like when there's just constant kindness x and how small it is and by the way what a gift for the giver people take several granted they are giving you realize  much bigger gift for you and you could shift someone's entire perspective by joel being there and reaching out and being present and being connected and the difference for me is i've seen myself over these last four years five years be so present in things that i never was before and i feel like wow i haven't missed out on a lot of things so i can't even imagine a from a mile where i am in my life and thank god i'm awakening now some people never awake and i know that's the sad part so help out you know our younger culture the millennial as we talk about this all the time being a talent person you know we talk about how can we attract them how do we get them engaged they don't want to be engaged with an organization or a leader that doesn't align with the things that are important to that wasn't especially even early on the gen x gen y is like everybody coming in and yes and i knew and i even have my gens right there but you know the new younger generation that is that is graduating high school and then graduating college and entering our job market they sean and i were just talking about this they do not that dollar does not mean the same thing you know and it value and contribution will be recognized and right right that's what's important n n n good aligns with like my own meaning and purpose raney people are going to be jumping out of their skin and as we know this with the funding partment oh jumping out of their skin to work for that organization even if it doesn't take a what this other company over here lately and you know for years i was always asked about retention yes you know we get people through the door we do a great job at that we have a great website but they show up for work that next one day and they're like this is this really the same organization that everybody told me that out so that's not aligned and then having the corporate responsibility having it all mixed together and  kind of be free flowing i think is like the gift that you know employers can give to the people coming in and they will stay there and honor that right so we can do a lot with that and i think what we're talking about is really a culture shift yes  and leaders need to be concerned about that my biggest question and i always ask you this is how do we get that message out there how do we get them to become more aware because i'm on linked in all the time you know we put publishing information out there have a blog or we connect with people and comment and i'm like a big proponent i'm just out there saying hey who's paying attention to this yeah everybody's talking about it but so many people are afraid to take a step back and we know this yeah yeah we do cause the corporate leaders don't want to be looked at like i'm not i don't want to bring something flowery and write you know because i work was looked at like that and think about it you know ten years ago fifteen years ago you really couldn't bring up the word culture you know in in a business conversation you so critical and intrinsic to an organization for it to be throughout the organization i believe we have to get the attention of leaders that want to create a different environment and it's ok if they're few and far between and yeah because guess what they are well while those reality right and running and nick from the fund apartment said it best i mean i mean there are people and organizations leaders and organizations that are are building some some just incredible you know organ or cultural organizations right now that that have fund the value one another and those are the organizations they're doing the work as we were talking about they're doing the work and they want to be better what's next for us ok let's do this right the organizations a don't value any of this right and say listen we still expect spec people to drop the kind of drop themselves off at the front door and write in and write a little worker robots and leave organizations like that are going to be going to become the dinosaurs and it doesn't matter what they produce for the marketplace talent is going to become the big issue well we know this it's been a big issue it's already done already you can only drought that we're seeing is a big talent are out and all of the people that i speak to on a daily basis every one of them will tell me if i didn't have to walk into another corporation it would be my happiest moment that kind of makes me sad because they've had twenty or thirty years on their resume yeah of doing great work but they've been  been discussed that they don't show up anymore and no one cares about how they feel and i'm not just talking about checking the box and saying ok we're going to do something fun for employees once a year at the family pet right it's not that i continuous improvement process and it needs to be sustainable it needs to be baked in it needs to be the well that's not the talk and michael stahl or culture connection big conversation is going to be part of this work and really talking about systemically right so we can have all the experiential one day workshops that we bring people to in lightning advance where they say oh my gosh i get this i want to do this i want to be part of this this is the kind of organization i want to create or i want to morph towards right and that is supers rates you can build the awareness but where's the sustainability what does that look like in terms of ok now what are we building from an ag our perspective right ryan ability the knowledge and then how are we putting reinforcements in place so that we're really building something systemic and something sustainable and then that organization can have a designation the corporate kind is an object designat organizations to create their own mentor ship program i will absolutely and that is one thing of argument to women we ask all the time about this and they say i don't want to go to another class and i don't want to learn anything else i want to be able to do something i come back from these there is no value yet so until a client or a company whatever until they realize that there's real value here and it's not just one thing it's over everything first of all if your employees are happy your clients will be happy right if your employees are happy they're going to stay with your organization and have less turnover look at look at sap oh some are right million not a million actually unfortunately a handful of good organizations that that have built that from from the ground up i and expanded their their company and their visibility in the marketplace because they they treat people well when people say people who do another well spill suddenly all the time well you know that's kind of like silicon valley or you in this you know and that's what we all know we're selling to an organization we shouldn't have to solve this yeah this is this is like simple yeah yeah but i think you know the our our job and our role and what we've  is we've done the benchmarking we have some of the metrics behind us and now we are taking a look at what the components of this program are going to look like and and that's exciting and thankfully we have some we have developed some awesome  relationships with some fantastic clients that hopefully will be the pioneers so we'll say yeah you know what i want to i want to see how this works and that's great because at the end of the day once that starts happening it will create an energy that will get people talking about it yeah that will make people want to be part of it it just takes a few people right and once we see the results of it and listen everything's measurable today so it's easy to find that data out there yeah it's easy to see how quickly you shifted organization you know and we know this because we're working on global transformations that really have a lot of stress and pressure up so one of the reasons that they don't work out is because of the engagement of the organization yeah it's just the thought that ok this has to happen and it's going to happen at this drop dead date and that's it well and we talk about this all the time right there's a mindset and then there are tools and and even if you have people interested in the mindset then you need to follow through the tools and give them them ways to take it to the next step and you know in the last article that we wrote for smart c e o it was really around mindful change and what does that mean yes and when we're giving people the ability to change an innate level and deal with some of the stuff that they've had some of the pressures that they as an individual have now are impacting change absolutely absolutely and why we're doing that and where everything is changing and the world around us is jane jane so we need to change as individuals we have to recognize that and again i'm going to say it takes looking at yourself it takes willing to be authentic and truthful and be ok with that and going ability right i mean yes i bring a browser is so fantastic the research that she has done around sh that's a given ok that's not going to move the needle right and that's what we want to do we have to move the needle you know so i just kind of want to put a request out there to anybody who's watching if you're a leader or just an individual who's a mom at home trying to figure this you know start to think about taking that it's that time that ten minute time period five minutes just to be in a safe place for yourself to figure out who you are and then take it a step further hey you me again with more health and sights absolutely the next time a little meditation exercise in fact that's our next show and so i think we should do that yeah absolutely thank you so much