here is a scientist and he's a researcher in the field of cancer research which sloan kettering i think many he's also the creator the founder and the president of are unique organization here in manhattan it's called the harlem years or so i've been use that skill to identify tumor cells in circulation so what i do is using genetic means to identify and hopefully find solutions perhaps find a way to to a cure and not a cure but to at least identify so that we can understand the disease and therefore contain it i we make progress it's been there for a long i can remember when i was young to have fore we are exposed to a whole variety of environmental factors or even in our genetic make up simply because we are living longer lives who are exposed to a multitude of human genetic factors now most kinds of cancers better than others now cancers you know people think it's just one disease or but it is a multitude of diseases so brain cancer is different from a lung cancer is different from all the other factors even ving forty years ago it was almost a death sentence many with that suicide when i was young yeah but it has drastically changed that more outcome and so women leading more longer lives and so what is happening is now cancer is almost becoming like a chronic some kinds of cancers becoming a chronic designer and therefore we are able to contain that and people who have had that disease any would be and i'm talking now about medical science you answer that sort of thing and thank god for penicillin when i sat exam here he was buried he died and buried in this forty eight birthday heart attack and i can and so we've made progress and we're making progress all the time medically are we not yes and i really deserve me there's always been a thing let's get a cure for cancer i would make some progress along those lines are we understanding better  everybody and the and the and the treatments have gotten better so that people are living longer and healthier lifestyles but at the same time we have to be conscious of not only our own genes because some genes of some people th that these factors do cause a major role and many of the other hormones certain hormones that we eat and therefore we have to be conscious of what we consume and our immediate environment that also has an impact on us human beings who do any large pattern understanding of the overall situation in terms of diet well i've seen a diet affects it is there any bridges decision away from let's say meat for something that is a major part of th i would you recommend ringback pro for lightly or otherwise a certain kind of diet to the people and one thing is come up on some of these programs here is cannabis is something that has medical properties it can address many used here for cancer well at least it is contained in a way people sort of react to it favorably while they're undergoing treatment and obviously that has a big impact on on the patient's life and living  and that is very important you know be just cannot live in a vegetative state of mind and body but if you have to live a healthy adult have a healthy you know what are they really were there any givens in terms of what makes for a and the thing is one of the things i'm going to just say at that point i'm completely i love alice later she's a friend of mine who was environment was and one of the things i really object to is the industrial farming with the creatures i cannot believe that they have to resort to the way they treat their chickens and pigs to keep them in compliance it's unconscionable in my mind they are just wondering around in the mirror or something anyway that we have to get away from all this because it's so interesting i movement involved with called the harlem children's society could you talk to that and what it is the importance of it because i think that it's a great sociological significance in a major pattern way sure you know well initially you had much impact of these students coming in even in the sciences particularly at the higher end research yes discovery and medicine and engineering you're looking at teenagers really young children yes yes what i was wondering as to about this for quite some time but really actually implemented it because i didn't know how to do it how to address the issue because i'm trained as a scientist and then i cannot leave my profession and become a high school teacher wrote again yeah  not enough representation and i sort of probably i thought that it was more of an economic issue that much of most of many of these folks because they're poor bill because their poverty is a main issue economic model right and with all of the popular exactly but poverty but super imposed on his poverty is a race class and gender issues yeah right so if you are poor and happen to be black or hispanic or native american or any other disenfranchised certain words and where it's initially when it started you know seventy eight thousand years ago kind of a long run yes that time the way how caste system was thought and evolved was sort of keep other people from taking on the position but that's a human thing but the other good aspect of human beings there's always this tussle and for improvement and so there is the always this tussle between the good and bad  yeah that's right but now back to the children so yeah they're the heart and children right society so so if we can yes sure so so i thought that probably because of its economic issue and since i was not born here and i didn't quite and stand the high school education system i just took those big fat yellow books in those days you know ten years ago and i thought i called up a critic yeah but i would like to interview them and then select from them some people not not necessarily top of the class but but students who have a certain fire in them right so yeah  t because in my mind being top of the class doesn't necessarily mean that you you have that inner fire you know that will drive you might be just good at doing what you're told by some authority right really is a good deal of what goes  tly i'm afraid but also especially in the lower echelons of the economic ladder because people are poor they have they have big challenges the they have to work multiple jobs they are single parent in the in the evolution of society right not it is absolute and that's that's why it has to be taught yeah it has to be talk to go and seek out your mentors and when you have found your mentors and that changes with time how about the with what are you saying but but you're right but many people are so busy in the life of course that's always useful way of thinking what course you think that way i guess i had an itch you know it or a sense of social conscience or a sense beyond just the research you're focused on that's important because the academic community is becoming it seems to me having been in there for a while and me being a systems guy i like big patterns and it's become so overly specialized yes everything is specialized around where there's practically no systems thinking or group thinking right where you can take into account anything other than your very narrow busy spec it's like a divide and conquer of the intellectual community by the ruling class it seems to me and it's and it's characteristic of the academic community and yeah i think it is i think i don't know yet you know but it's true of so many human things that we are faced with because we as human beings we  niagra of discovery and everything is new things coming all the time and information overload overwinter said information overload permits pattern recognition instead of being just interested in the one thing you can go off and see the connection between this and this and this and that in the end it's word there that pattern recognizing seems to be making it more more difficult through the academic process what the kids are being forced to be is interested in one thing they will get them a certificate that will give them the ability to do something that will make money donate money is still the major operating principle that organizes busy world busy society unfortunately it would seem to me but doesn't that seem to be the everything doesn't have to have a value in place but it's overwhelmingly that we would have found a jewish stone who set this up he was already set up this public access thing and a great man he was the to school in there in and he said he was really just stirred by the court he died years  ninety six years old good sad to say it's a great day he said the students are coming in they're asking what do i have to do to get in a what do i have to do to get to be a new specialized thing and then you've got the guy ego tripping on his thing with all the nuance of the use  the perfect tense and th century french poetry in the southeast part of france or all specialized ego trip and they're all trying to get him to give him an a so they can get in the harvard business school it's all outer directed but at the same time what i felt was because the damage is occurring at the lower grades we had to that's why i had to go and reach out to the lower grades actually we should go even further down lab coat and talking and being an adult and and most importantly giving these teenagers a sense of responsibility because because i saw that on pack with the people who are in that responsible and rational structure right and  being treated as a to sponsor a bill people and giving them the sense of responsibility that if you do something wrong everyone is being affected and that sense of responsibility is very important and the teenagers actually get so once i got in and they you know many of them happened to be african american and hispanic  cautious of how that philosophy moves from opinion to a judgment because when it becomes a judgment it tends to quantities itself and therefore and therefore we cannot shake that off yeah so we have to go as always this might be the most valuable kind of little clip i think that is from your side right yes and maybe we could set that up and run that to good use now and is going to say we're saying the audience in the end in the control room is the get ready it's a little clip it's a little bit long but we're going to rain maybe of all five minutes or so of it and we're going to leave it up to the discretion of our eminently qualified person in the control room to along about five minutes find a point where the music stores or it's a good breakpoint and then we'll come back we're talking with dr sat bob chary and let's see if we can run that little clip up now please if we can me realize that it's not a boss at all it made me realize that i do have the ability to cope with all these goals and like new york here and to actually be able to do the research myself and with actually how i have a mentor ok a very good there was a good thing good out that's really interesting it goes on and on i can graduate very much are very interesting you know your new york city and iowa and that but i see you rebranded over into the hopi and to the american indian and to all the people that are in situation that could benefit and also you're talking about science is aware that your area makes sense entering but this principle could apply more readily to in the real world in gauge went in in the activity of the young people in many many different fields other than just science and cancer research and also as you see educational enterprise it can create people who are autodidact they're teaching themselves because they're interested in right that's really an important kind of value to try and  i was not even thinking of impact i was just thinking how to address the situation and even though harlem you know was a poor and still is a poor neighborhood but harlem to me represents year i think the five year olds are way my favorite human being i believe i'm not sure doesn't make sense in a certain sense because they're all good and everything but my favorite human beings are five year olds yes they're totally global society and that's what harlem children's society means to me and therefore it was never just limited to new york or manhattan or harlem's harlem new york city the whole  go with with the grades it is it's an overly emphasized by an interview process because i would like to know why the child is coming to science i had difficulty as a professor in because i was  army i used to try to explain to the sergeant that we could do things democratically they didn't want to hear it you know they get back in italy army costello or something but if i became a professor for about seven years or so different universities and i one year did i do the normal thing it's a great game you can be there you can have your specialization you can ego trip all day to a group of students who are just why is she in to try and get in touch with you so they can get a good grade and all that and everything so what i did is this is something that i talked to over with george stone who ended a program with him a few years ago about an educational therapy educational pattern and i did something that was just place i don't know there's a couple of schools that tried any ocker readers nothing but the authoritarian model is the one that's in place with their educational system to keep authority in the hands and teaching people to be answerable to an authority for eight for a false p for within their own student community but also the teachers now about that model on a larger scale we're going to go to a couple minutes left or a few minutes left words that go i did you teach them science is what was  the politics of the real world to the local politics to the large context in which everything else is ensconced where you're leading them toward thinking comprehensibly about patterns that are characteristic of the overall zite guised in the thinking how far can we go toward having pattern recognition be part of the context rather than highly specialized right exactly because the institutions are trying to get highly specialized right and i true on one thing we lose the the wider perspective and therefore we use why we are focusing on one particular thing well is to get a certificate so you can make money yeah but also even even we have to see how how that you know bishan fits in the real world and not just off human beings but also the environment and everything else that are around it because and that that that conversation itself the ability to explore what we are exploring in in a very narrow sense and see the wider perspective and how would fit in the bigger mosaic is there's not enough of that and and the younger generation who still naive to the outside world also thinks of the leadership that is coming to them and therefore having this dialogue because it's very important to have this dialogue  especially even in the policymaking is very important for the policymakers so to stand the impact of science and education and what science is and the younger generation has to also understand what how how the world is about more responsible citizen citizenship thank you yeah yeah and i think that is that is important that's why we have an education yeah education is really important on a world scale now don't you think i think more than that it is the but the awareness is very important as to why we are not the best and there are other people around us as well we can be we can work with the people and the environment and everything else and have for hopefully make this world a better place for the yes you are yes that's but that's grounded peter joseph so what what those films to get growing like gangbusters all over the world and it's growing it's fifty billion six hundred million views of the things that they do or the take educational movies and one of the guys there are young memphis tony put together a thing he's really brilliant into singularity university and all that interns aside and he said what if we could have the story of human knowledge a vailable to us and in multimedia terms not in print print is very linear specialisation is encouraging that kind of thing and that but in multimedia presentations that can become the spanish or italian or something like that which is just over the arise and if it isn't already here this so that the educational the educational process can be done for autodidact that do not have to root pair only to the keepers of the canon of the outdated assumptions that inform virtually all of our academic disciplines there mired in the past because they've got a commitment to the past but they could be spelling in educational context for the whole  human society at the highest order busy of human understanding what do you think about the part of the process of my wartime media education oh educational processes for the human society going forward i think  high tech work in some hospital university is talking to the student of the same age middle of africa suffering their various diseases and it is a very good way because the student understands the concept of of their own that reality of people even though poverty is the guiding you know is a commonality in all that different kind of poverty elsewhere in a different kind of mentality where the poverty in the native american reservations is different from the poverty in new york city you know city poverty is different from elsewhere elsewhere are the inner city poverty in new york city is different from inner city in calcutta or yeah or you know  or you know somewhere else or in paris and the language difference is a big barrier to be over by the peoples of the world this idea of being able to have a language translation autonomically of a soundtrack absolutely that's something i think is just over their eyes yet but more so it is the people from different cultures and also one of the great you know new york has been especially with this program wonderful lab for the fact that it's new york city we have of course the african american hispanic and native american but we also have this huge immigrant population yeah yeah and who are also many times below poverty line and struggling to get up and and that inner struggle is very important that even though they might be below poverty line this exposure of the african american population or the african immigrants coming to the united states and the multitude of immigrants are a very good for our students because that's one of the things that has that as a laboratory for our learning yes yes you know i saw i think there's a i think there's some very one hundred and ninety five countries in the world recognized by the un and i saw thing in am or something where there's a resizable representation is of one hundred and eighty nine or one hundred and ninety five nations of the world in new york where everybody is here right i be any more appropriate that it be done and one of the leading indicators along that line would be something that would be up in harlem and it would seem to me to be really good if it might be called the harlem children's society as  experiment that has a larger implications beyond its immediate context for the along the lines that what the planet really needs could i get agreement with you on that and thank you that you rightly you know percent two or three percent if i experiment ever work ok but and let me ask you know that you're geneticists isn't it true that a vast majority ninety nine percent of the species that are ever existed have gone extinct over the evolutionary period