welcome everyone we're so glad you're here this is connect and we have a wonderful guest today her name is emily out barger and she's lived in the area for a very long time and she comes to  from two artists her father was a skull perm rather was a painter but also a musician so you can see this all incorporated in her work and her work is remarkable she has a vision that is just unbelievable i met her many years ago and she has been really wonderful in the crypt leading her vision in everything she does and she's done a beautiful job of training herself and her eye as to where she thinks it's interesting and we are the beneficiaries and i first met elliott when she did a beautiful mural on the side of the bread company or with his friend st and it was an irish resident one and they're one and just has delighted people for quite a while it's a dedication to the parks that were there there was the urban garden writer's block in cork park all spontaneous  came about spontaneously and i think the community was very involved in it and they really missed it when the condos went up so my murals a dedication to that and it incorporates i interviewed people and they said i remember the corn it was just the biggest corn ever seen and lots of sun and there were glass balls and you know all kinds of different sculptures and so i incorporated that into the mural by doing a sun in the middle and have it radiating out in the bubbles are the scale so the bubbles are larger on the outside and they get smaller towards the sun and the reflection of the bubbles back at you are memories that came imagery from the park like robert cannon's hand with the that an archetype originated yes and then there's the entrance and that's reflected back so there's a number of things if people remember the parks that were there and were participating in them though they'll recognize all the imagery in this book but there's one urt together and anybody i just can't say enough about how wonderful it is to be able to have the ilia and tell all of us how it is that you can support yourself and it's hard work but you can go around and you can get people to admire your work and always sort of wondered what's going on i made some pretty easy and i saw the most beautiful flowers and flowering trees and birds of all the way around the dining room seeing credibly it's really the rest taking maybe they will care and then she also has had a wonderful exhibit out of the more pets gallery where there were many of her in my particular case and i think probably in a lot of artists case midlife mid career artists your vision is not necessarily concrete it's not it's not you know you know now there is sort of a path and it's a it's  path of least resistance and that is sort of an overlay of your vision with you know the pressures of how your life goes and the circumstances because it's going to push you  something that you one might not do but you need to do because it's going to pay your rent and you know as long as it's sort of the arc of the umbrella of creativity i'm good with that i do a lot of color cons very passionate thing that i do that i feel very passionate about anyone sees whatever flowers you or realize that there are about eight different shades in just one little yes so i really i really split hairs when it comes to very special way is value and first i look at the value because the eye sees contrast before it's his color and then i and then i work with the colors of the values the first choice and the colors the second choice and that's one of the things that i do i would say for money but i also do it because i'm really passionate about color and i've been doing color consulting for thirty two years now and i've done a lot of exteriors like most of french town in new jersey french are new jersey and i did the colors for i do a lot of interiors and i really just love it i love it and i learn every takes everything i have everything i've learned in my painting contains years of pain just oh it's wonderful to choosing those head just couldn't be better oh i love that but you do you take it all the way back i mean you know one thinks of what they were doing in the middle ages and the colors and what they're bringing and then all of a sudden things i like to with my with my canvases i like to work on a single subject because i'm not that it should in narrative even though the subject is obvious and can be recognized as artichoke or have attempted to paint strictly abstractly i am in avoidance a lot about that looks like this looks like that looks like and i don't want to be an important because energetically that i'm in a narrative once i know what the subject is and it's a single subject and i usually push it up against the canvas so that it extends past the canvas edges so that it's really in your field it's not you know  that's very good because i want you get in there and i was a beekeeper for a little while and i recognize the extraordinary nature of being a honeybee if you could you know if you can be that scale of  to another one i mean it's just defined and all those different colors and and it's and beautiful perfumes and nectars and pollens and the whole i mean i want to be honeybee i mean that right now because  amazing nature is as i guess always been my calling and as a little girl i grew up in carter's opens mannion bucks county and i remember going down to the creek  played by myself a lot i played in nature and i would go down to the creek and i would make myself small very easily very readily without any it wasn't you know really have my mind's eye walk through that incredible natural world and i've always i've never lost sight of that and that sense of scale because you reckon i scale is nothing but relative to humans are in too small but i got it right away that the world is this nature's big and i'm a little and it's a brazen right and when i paint that get me when i paint big murals i remembers and so on saying well how do you ski lift so massive is that i don't even think of i never even thought about that i have to think about how to explain it to you but i never thought about it myself so it's already there i just have to get it done so you can see what i see you know so this growing up and put it's all pert of you and as i wonderful part of the path of following the path of least resistance yeah but still holding on to your holding on to your vision and you're looking everywhere you are one thing that we haven't mentioned that i'd love to have us talk about is your start because you just finished doing a huge one in trenton of them and could you talk to wish list for that well it's funny because as much as i love history speaking to people in the community wherever they reside and hopefully on the exterior of things because as an artist i live in stockton new jersey but the murals are wherever they are there and these two murals there's one of the first public reading the declaration of penance which i did two thousand and six eleven years ago and there's one i did last year two thousand and sixteen so ten years apart that's on one one one east hanover street and that is the first battle of trenton so two very different techniques into their difference hard historical murals but in the first mural it's almost as a process of  necessity i designed the mural and i did it it's a telescoping of history so when you look at the mural it's sixty five feet by thirty two feet it's about two squares in proportion and when you look at it telescoping of history so underneath the arch is eighteenth century and that's where the declaration of independence is being read on the courthouse steps and there's all the people gathered around the trend tony ends and done and then  come out there's a big brick arch and the big brick our trip presents one thousand century trenton trenton makes the world takes and outside of that is more contemporary twentieth century twenty first century where this contemporary people  paris was written on the second it was declared on the fourth and it was read in three places on the eighth in trenton in scranton and in philadelphia and so in trenton on twenty three south warren street is where this exists on the outside of the building but across the street is where the courthouse actually existed where it was read so it's only within fifty feet of the mural where it actually took the island so it's really historic and as it turns out as i i need it people i use a lot of the fellows at the fellows and women and the old barracks museum which is wonderful resource and they're so helpful and i just love their murals and they put a lot of them in and i would bring them out into the sun and and photograph them you know with the sun coming this way or the sun coming you know the other way depending on where i needed them in the grouping because i needed to paint it with the sun in the right  them so i started becoming friends with them and i thought you know i need some more people here because i've used you twice and i've used you twice can we get the guy across the street maybe they got this washing the windows can we get him in here is ok take your hat off and i would ask you well you know i put leon rainbow in there and a number of other people you know i just feel like i need some women i need some african americans i need i need some people  of the four main industries of trenton it's cigars rubber steel and pottery ceramics and when i was doing the the rubber i was up there shooting from the hip going ok well tires and having this guy with a tire and some tires stacked it was whole rober and and the historian came by and she goes what are you doing i said during the rubber one because there were no tires the whole roll of the hose that the guy was they know where the fire they are around and then i put a pair of boots on they have and i was like oh that was very good very cause i had no idea but of course it only goes to show that you know you create the thing but all the little details aren't filled in and think on the historians come along and and so you know and so but it's fun because i mean this is spontaneity to it and you're you're in the moment you're doing it in the moment creating this thing on this big lift you know it's a it's a lot that a lot of people but you know what people they see me i think see the back of my head they see me painting and they see the progress every day and they really really embrace that and they feel like wow this is unfair this is going to be mine this is mine you know basically it's everybody's that gets to see it you know it's sort of eighty years are going to be it was that i was there when they were he doesn't need to be maintained and i need some restoration now but so that that was paid to directly on the wall and then knew that was done a year ago was painted on this minuses to working on fabric as opposed to the wall when you have a lift it's a certain amount of money every day if it rains you're not using that lift and if it's you know it's just it's dicey so and you can't work in the winter and so the second one spontaneous cafe in trying to and then i did some of it at the museum at the state museum and i put up the pieces that i'd already worked on and then i and then they had me working on the j dot com did a piece and sent it out i'm not sure how these people saw it i think they were in philly mother and her daughter saw it on t v and the daughter said something to the mom and i want to go see so she came and her mom she was such a tiny little thing and her mom pushed her for she goes go ahead and tell her what you told me i think what what is your do you think she told me her name which i can't remember but she but she said i want to be a mural painter i said you do to do you have you ever painted a mural before she said well no i said fall today is going to be the last day that you answer that question with a no no so come on back here and we're going to work together i have something i need your help so we sat on the floor and she was like laser focused and i put her hand on the brush and i put my hand over it and we painted until she got comfortable icici to it on your own and she said yep and she was it was like a manual work it's not you know people are doing everything digitally so when she said she wanted to kind of paint and you're like right let's get you started let's get your feet wet right so right and i you know she's she's no she's continuing there's no question and that little spirit needed to do that and luckily her mother listened but there are many people out there that would cry too you know working and so i think that who knows maybe it will start something in the future because i think it definitely got people interested and in how art is made you know one of things i said that huffington post interview was that people think that art making art is magic and you know i just came from a looking at a job just now before i got here and i was it well it's seems like magic to me and i said yeah you know it is really not magic  park as you say were but it's also just being there and listening and looking around and finding out oh my lord i could do that or i'm going to try this or you know there's something i'm spark didn't have any interest in anything and he got a job in a kitchen and suddenly you know his his he said this is something i want to do and certainly had energy and direction and passion  mid that he was sort of a ne'er do well so the same sort of thing you never know sometimes people don't know and then they see it and that's the beauty of public murals is that it's it's also you can see it happening it it can indeed but also i think it's terribly important to have somebody there encouraging using oh well then we could go we could try we go down to princeton new and try and look at this but you need others to encourage you and with your next said if you ever get a project i just graduated from one graduate from bennington and one graduated from temple and said you know if you if you need help please let me you know i really need experience i really want to be in the right it takes a year to get the funding the electric lines move left schedule the insurance proper the design eline allies didn't get it