my name is brian and this is a user's guide to growing with l e d s i'm going to be demonstrating the best practices of l e d crowley and i'm going to be highlighting the critical differences between growing with l e d s versus growing with high pressure biggest difference between growing with l e d's and growing with high pressure sodium is b amount to keep but the lights put off high pressure sodium strong hot l e d s run cool in a high pressure sodium room you ambient temperature of the room is typically ten degrees cooler than the temperature directly under the light with l e d s my room temperature and my temperature under the light is exactly the same only alive fridays sometimes maybe not friday because we like to be all day every day alive and it's a live thing as far as i think we have to be held to enjoy our lives that's part of our freedoms i think which we don't have for years but i know that plants are free to grow and there's certain plants that we all kind of think about as far as the freedom to be able to be able to access certain plants that some people call them access points or dispensary so you're in seattle in the means of dispensary mean what's that well it should be something that should be medical recover some ideas of what that means maybe there isn't anything that it means right now but it will i hope to read hear from done during in a just a minute i'm i will be wilson this is all the live we are from seattle we broadcast from public access here in the northwest and probably nationwide there are four thousand public access groups across the nation maybe we should be but the whole thing is about this the access me is calling access what is access if i'm not mistaken that the organic farm bill of the one nine hundred ninety s may actually have to have a denim filed to it to recognize organic cannabis maybe there is something to this maybe there's something to it as far as organic medical cannabis patient care system across all north america we do need to think about that and his dog arrington choice well this here in seattle is mentioned it has to be clean medicine we're going to hear from her just a second i just want to mention that hemp fest coming up we're really honored to have john davis here we also have john dickinson and gary her she's very smart we're all going to pick up on some she when her doctor goes on medical but i am a people so we're going to cover this issue of what it is that we're going to try to cover as a izzie community here it locally community with our own input that's what this all day life is all about and so i'm going to bring up everyone we've got dawn here don it's good to see you and we have john davis right there john it's really good to see you too and we have everybody else here we have john dickinson and gary rule it's really good to see one of the things that i'm really happy that you're here to find john because even though him festen and what year is this the day when you're him exactly twenty second year and certainly twenty two years ago when when you and vivian were just kind of rattling around in your heads about what a kind of idea and concept medical wasn't even a conversation at that time and so him fest has always been on the more casual usage kind of bandwagon if you will however the what so well what i would like to say is that actually you are you you and the core of volunteers people like michael who's been a wonderful cannabis advocate for a long time they have worked so hard to make give this gift to people and i truly believe that we would not have medical marijuana in the state of washington the way we do today if it were not for him fest paving the way infest open the door for us and i think it's more like you're here with us tonight morgan because one of the questions that i'm asked repeatedly is all what i have children what do i do about medicine and i say well what do you do about your other medications i mean do you leave them out on the coffee table for your kettledrum to play with or do you tell them that these this is daddy's medicine or mommy's medicine and you don't touch it it's the same kind of thing and i and i truly believe that honesty is always the best policy with children and then when people kids are smart and that you know some before he was born so i made a conscious decision to part with after you know reading a lot of those materials about trials using grades and all that other kind of material that honesty is really the best way to go with kids creating something like it's bad to actually even increase is used to great increases abuse is the main thing thousand four hundred four thousand forget which one poisonous chemicals in cannabis that it causes cancer really a really yeah they told some horrible lies yes this is the problem is that one of the big issues about cannabis is that people have lumped it in with drugs and cannabis is not a drug it's an herb drugs are made by pharmaceutical companies and they kill people or them in people's and they kill people those are drugs this is an herb it's not a drug number one and they tell these lies to kids and kids find out because kids are very very smart and they do research and they find out that what they told them was a lot and because of that then they don't believe anything they told them so so when they tell them that meth is bad and heroine's bad and and speed is bad and cannabis is bad then with soon as they find out they cannabis isn't bad which we know it's not bad then they don't believe it about the rest of them and that's the biggest danger that in the bank that it used to be to get cannabis pretty much you had to go to a drug dealer and that was the only thing that made it a gateway drug if you will be  you had to hang out with drug dealers to get it things have changed we do least in this state we don't have to do that anymore but lying to children is just horrible it's normal and alcohol and tobacco because they're not there they're legal arsinoe ok well it's not like the hard drugs like marijuana and most of the deaths overwhelmingly in our country are from home and tobacco and prescription drugs and i wanted to wind you know i could have i could have stopped morgan from from going to this but really what i did we had a conversation and you know i said who i'm glad you're going through this because i want you to see i want you know the american experience of of what that drug education is like but i want you to look at it with a grain of salt i want you to look at it with a critical eye and you know so far so good this is a wonderful kid going on forty i think that's right and i wanted to point out that while this conversation is going that there are certain things that seem to be glossed over in the conversation like don mentioned pharmaceuticals and that eighty percent of all narcotics manufactured on the planet are consumed by americans and you can take a state like utah which has forty four percent of their population has at one time misused narcotics you know florida i think is a close second i don't know if anybody's noticed that you know hundred seventy up until then it was still the treasury department discretionary thing was whether or not you could use the product but one thing that i'm curious about since five o two i don't know if anybody's noticed but now every time there's an incident it's they've now that that recreational marijuana is been legalized in the state it now makes it ok to include that in any instance where well there was alcohol involved and oh he also had marijuana and because it's legal now and now we're demonstrating that now the combination of these things is what's contributed it's like you know nothing has changed since before five zero two and after five zero two except perceptions you know the industry people are still smoking they're not smoking more or less than they a year ago but now suddenly the focus is well you know this guy ran over this person and he was drinking you know he had a point three you know alcohol but he also smoked pot like that was really a contributing factor at point three and well you know it's the alcohol that makes people crazy exactly i have not heard of one person and perhaps this is happening and i'm sure we'll get we'll get the phone calls that has been driving impaired solely because of cannabis it's either been mostly alcohol and occasionally other prescription prescription drugs that's what mississippi mind and make show an unsafe driver and actually back in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight car and driver had done what i believe it was channel seven one of the that the big three news agencies locally here had done american impromptu marijuana test where they took individuals and they'd had them drive an obstacle course and then come back and ingest marijuana and then go out and and you know to kind of gauge how this affects you and the end result for this study as was in the car and driver was that there was no detraction inability if anything the ability stayed the same or in some aspects improved you know nobody goes you know you drink alcohol you get fired up you're running people down you're there's a lot of energy and aggression but people that smoke pot attended it's the reverse they tend to be more cautious more you know take things a little bit slower and it just again it's  the fact that five o two has now that it's legal all the consequences come behind it now suddenly that oh now this is a medicine problem because it's recreational at a level and also because we have not actually done our job well enough of educating people and that's what we're trying to do here all of us here are educators we spend our lives educating every one of us here will we every day we talk to people in coffee shops at the grocery store at the gas station w educating everybody we went into but we need to do so much more because we can't quite frankly we have very short time to undo all the damage that was done with all the lies and horrible propaganda that's been done for the last hundred years and continues the lies continue i mean you got it this week in school isn't cheap since the thirty's are reefer madness it hasn't changed and you know once people i remember one in the we know this we know this we've we heard it when we were children i heard it everyone has heard the same thing but i'd like to point out one major thing that happened last year that nobody took too much note of is that the number one killer in america is pharmaceuticals from your mother and father's medicine cabinet and once the f d a says is ok is are ok these are legal but we have thousands of plants that are deadly country if you want to go get a bottle of oxygen you have there have to be a permit industry or you have to have a medical authorization to possess oxygen i mean if that's not crazy i don't know what is  mind it's all it's all about the money yeah medic medical stuff should be free like this twenty five percent taxes are talking about putting on medical marijuana and every stage people will be able to afford to buy it it's a medicine is should not over the world who are calling for a rational approach to this drug policy and i'm speaking on behalf of legalizing all drugs i'm not putting the line well i use marijuana and  my list these days are generational movie of huge and back of the house i live in and the other one is by richard branson son it's called breaking the taboo and he's getting actors from all over the world to say i'm morgan freeman and i'm breaking the taboo just for second they're coming out they're coming and they're coming together portugal recently did decriminalize all drugs and they've seen no increase in crime or uses your anything like that  to that it's some point in history and we made the distinction instead of your body being owned by you now in this regime your body is owned by your government because your government may dictate what substances you put into your own body and the whole too big of a drug food whatever i mean these are substances that you should have relationships with the yeah based on on your own philosophies your own morals your own ideals and education and you should not you should not be restricted from what you put in your own body as you say there are deadly poisons that lie around right to have if you want to educate yourself about the substances that you put in your body which you should be doing i mean the nanny state that we live in where they're your governor your body is your government your trust in the government to say ok this is good to put in your body this is good to put in your body that's bad but in your body you should be making that choice yourself when i do the research on the medicines that my government is giving me every one of them as dangerous and addictive and dead these side effects over a thousand people in your yeah what about her children no one in five thousand years of recorded history has ever died from the marijuana plant it has not happened and that's been recorded for five thousand years is the beneficiary that it is it cures diseases it think from an overdose that would have happened in the last two or three years when we've got these incredibly strong you know amounts of cannabis it just can't happen and the more thing you look at the war on drugs it's not a war on drugs at all it's a war on the they're going to jail several million people two and a half trillion dollars spent the last forty years to jail people for using a drug and a lot of them are addicts they have no choice in the matter what are they doing in jail for twenty thirty years this is not an american this is not a democracy they add every sense they possibly can when you're picked up for any drug at all and keep you in jail for twenty thirty years destroying families tearing apart families losing the breadwinner of the family  s you lose your entire life for a drug and what's the upshot is we are four percent of the world's population and united states and we consume twenty five percent of the world's drugs  cars yeah or everybody and we have two hundred million people in jail over seventy percent or more for nonviolent drug offenders no offense against any person at all seventy percent in this crossing us trillions of dollars to do this billions every year for the new prisons to keep keep building the program prison for the problems prison in a way where they kill people they kill people by in adequate care they kill people by not giving the medications that have been  and no accountability whatsoever if there's any other two things of course that i rant about all the time that need to be stopped in this country one is private prisons and stop them no more close the ones that are there never do it again why we have this obesity problem because you eat this and it's not satisfying it's like crack you can't you get this great rush from eating that first slice of bread in your subconscious you know we want that again but you can't get it again that chasing the dragon thing you'll never get it i wanted to past the fact that this was a real movie with serious intent if anybody watches this movie and can honestly say that yeah i agree with that and i mean you can just see the vaudevillian silliness in how they're trying to vilify this drug in that movie it's just you know if you tried to make that movie today you would actually i think reinforce and promote drug use if you tried to do is to be so it's ridiculously scandalous as you know guys laughing uncontrollably and sweating i can't take the movie seriously michel as morgan was saying this is the education she's getting as eleven year old this is what fifteen years ago we got your brain on on eggs you know your brain you know it continues  that's not going to stop it it's and let's let's let's move away from it all it takes and talk about free enterprise and the definition of a drug by a law is anything that's been evaluated by the a that can cure treat or diagnosed a disease or illness that is the f d a definition of a drug and that's why you have the supplements that say because it hasn't been of value a everybody knows that you know certainly all you need magnesium you need calcium but all these supplements are not they're given not the recognition they need because the high muckety mucks have not decided that yes that's you know there's no money in it for us to say yes these are the healthy things you should be doing i mean the same lax attitudes that we're finding here and trying to move you know cannabis forward are the same lax attitudes i mean again this is the same government that says it's ok to eat high fructose corn syrup refined flowers and sugars in ridiculous abundance i have been trying my but i remember fifteen years ago i walked into a queue of sea and had an epiphany and i went this is so incredible that you know one hundred years ago even the greatest potentates and emperors could not have the access that joe six pack can have twenty four seven to anything seasonal not seasonal and fifteen years later i had a similar opinion when i walked into that same supermarket went wow all this abundance and not a thing to eat oh yeah yeah it's just we've got supermarkets filled with poison we walked in and well can you expect if they're going to accept the poisons that they're selling to us legitimately on the shelves or how can you expect them to have any common sense at all or something helpful then you still don't know what healthy is to be to say to me healthy you only did the grocery store around the outside edges to avoid the inside aisles completely now you can't even trust the outside edges because they're there poisoning the cows that are producing the milk so you got to be careful t only get the ones that don't have all that i never use and you got to be care and they get the fruits and vegetables now that are just chock full of the poisons with the pesticides and so forth and so on so so that's not even safe anymore unless you're going to p c c or central w ready we're going to cover the some more i want to hear what mike's got to say and everybody else and kerry and john we want to hear a little bit about the history of smuggling if that's all right is it good ok ok ok we'll  conversation that's a lot of very much content of what we know in this room people with a lot of things that they've done like i said we have john dickinson and gary rule and they were party that's up there with us bruce pearl and right i mean you guys are legendary smugglers right i mean am i right and smuggling was a major part of the access that was the only access we back right john touted smoked marijuana let's say they only smoked a gram a week so let's say that we need thirty thousand tons a week we can't produce that so there were people like myself and gary and perspective that's a billion and a half dollars worth but putting it into another perspective that's only ten minutes of america's demand and started off many years ago i drove to over to middle east brought it started bringing in hashish but before that gary had his own boats orgy drove one boat from detroit in the middle of the weather all the way down to key west and started taking a lot from former coast guard or the head of ten time cargo hold and i got finished with it and had a four thousand mile range you know a lot of diving in treasure hunting down in florida keys but when it came down to making serious money it was very difficult  e and living in a marina you cannot help but meet all the smugglers half the people in the marina was involved in marijuana industry one way or another so very few involved in that nasty cocaine stuff it was all just friendly laid pounds and bring back twenty five thousand pounds at a time we don't load in the bahamas on the go fast cigarette boats and they run back to fort lauderdale and miami up the canals and unload to the waiting people there was  pickets out there we had to go six hundred miles the other side of bermuda we had fuel fuel drums all over the little boat we were closer to africa than we were doing america venus lowden we larry could bring it in down from the north right into new or most of it at sea it was just one of the adventures we're on the cutting as we were on the front lines back in the days when most people were afraid to do anything like this someone started this it was john myself and people like us that braved the treacherous dangerous high seas out there dodging the coast guard boats if we were caught we're facing twenty five years in jail no loss every single thing we've own that's what he means by being pioneers we ran out there in the front lines actually doing news trying to keep the ship quiet skirt around through the mediterranean to the suez and and all of a sudden it's on every newspaper and robbed or cronkite around the world during the cold war this is cia look it was the last when the whole ship navy built because they were made on they had to be made on wood because of the magnetic mines and things and everything on the boat itself the ship itself was non magnetic copper syria where and we threw a ridiculous i scratch three of these in the past because of the high value of the metal content this one came up for sale in japan and we threw a ridiculous thirty thousand dollars on it and then that up owning a thirty million dollars boat halfway around the planet in a country that didn't speak years ago it sat for five years summers and winters paint was peeling off everywhere but we want to board the ship it was it was like a time capsule built in one nine hundred fifty s early fifty's the charts were still on the table a brass american sextant stainless steel stopwatches nothing had been stripped from it we couldn't believe it so then all we could think of doing was getting it fixed and that's when john came into his ally or some people some money and he came up most of the bucks we spent six months in japan i sorry i was going i want to mention it if you want to talk but the mike yeah it's funny that you know because i never even thought of this you guys are recounting your smoking days but i actually spent time in the military in both the army and the navy and that was the early eighty's basically the eighty's and i know for a fact because i had friends that were towards the end of the vietnam war it's you'd be appalled and i don't want i'm not disparity in the military i know i'm going to hear about this for not being politically correct but you would be amazed at how much stuff comes through courtesy of uncle sam with people shipping over their household goods and stuff i mean we used to get when i was stationed in germany we had people in the states that you know because you couldn't get marijuana in europe it's only hashish because of the risk factor for you know holding it and moving it around it's a lot easier to move a pound of hash than a pound but so we were trading blood and we was just so easy to have the stuff just shipped to us on military transport nobody checked any of the stuff now i'm just i'm sure it changed with the technology but one of the biggest importers of heroin in the seventy's was united states military or y ou know but you know we can't say anything bad about our troops so we'll just for pretend that never up and you know exit ok but anybody who even lightly looks at history can trace the drug usage in this country to the location where we fight our to los angeles and you know and started the crack epidemic which you know ramped up the war on drugs i mean the pocker see of the war on drugs is incredible some feeling to feed the private prison industry there for profit industry of prison that's with that well all these people being arrested for giving extreme sentences we don't have a representative government anymore it's not a government of the people by the people for the people it's a government of the businessman by the businessmen and for the businessman and he doing nothing but appointing businessman a former c e o of all these major companies and put him in charge of the very agencies that are supposed to be protecting us yeah and we bruce pirlo in th  directly in a cast way you know where we have african americans or eight percent of the population fifty one percent of the prison populations which is unconscionable you know people talk to me and say hey what happened what would happen if we legalize drugs in this country are you kidding me drugs are completely legal if you have the means for them you can get anything methamphetamine is a schedule two drug and ironically  eighty percent of the methamphetamine that is prescribed in the united states is prescribed to children under the age of eighteen or mothers little helpers yeah you know but getting to that age of eighteen there's there's in this whole roll out of i five zero two two to placate the feds or and they still want to go to state industry we're part of the green and stream but the the state cartel wants to fight the fence in so many ways they don't want to give in and i'm saying we can all coexist year we can we can exist in the green industry by following the fed rules and the state cartel that they're creating can also follow the fed rules and everyone will make plenty of money it's a two to three billion dollar crop here just marijuana in the state but getting back to that age which is very very important first so many people the children the children the children if one wants to draw a bar graph at what age do our children exposed to tobacco thirteen to eighteen at what age are children exposed to drinking thirteen to eighteen at what age are they exposed to all kinds of the most horrible drugs might sun was exposed to what he said what is from i'll die and i'm e for that moment and long acting effects the brains of these young kids and everybody but but getting back to even a harmless drug like marijuana you're exposed to that between thirteen and eighteen so what are we going to do now that it's legal if you're under twenty one and you're going to juvenile camp or is it going to be an adult prison because this is an adult drug i'm saying that we have to have a bit more of a rational approach to this in this thirteen to eighteen year old this is the bulk of the users of america are between thirteen and eighteen do we close a blind eye to all this to we have a small tolerance for alcohol for under twenty one oh yeah and now we with five o two we have zero tolerance for cannabis what it means is the end you know that i've contended for ages this is insane because when do we experiment when we're kids kids pick up a cigarette they try it it's nasty they never do it again they try a beer it's nasty they never do it again they try cannabis it's nasty they never do it again other ones oh this is great i'm going to keep doing it but meanwhile their parents are giving them dad ritalin but that's when that is when we experiment so we need to allow it not about kids smoking is what they were going to having and it's going to be the ones that are not a bitch will users are the ones that get caught because they don't know how to hide it so you know this is the big danger yeah well ironically alcohol is still a rite of passage in this country alcohol you just find really fascinating is in this last decade or so is how we've gone from that salvia crap to bath salts to now there's another way we just keep inventing you know you know when we're going to realize it you know human beings are you know  every culture in the world for as long as we can go back and look has had some substance that alters their consciousness for some it's kind of mild kind of things i remember you know in college  way we seem we take so much we think so much we're so cerebral that we do have to let it go now and then now there are people who use sugar as their interest your is a drug but there are joe do you talk i mean that's sugars the drug what year was it w from you know when i was first started building models i was a member of the model of the month club and i did my little testers glue and you know i have to have ventilation because it did make me dizzy but then as you know people started abusing it now we've got this citrus smelling you know just a pol it was almost unheard of tool this time in the fifty's where this kid in texas ended up in the hospital because he was huff and and it was a completely isolated incident and this was completely unheard of suddenly it was actually a problem you know before one thousand and fourteen none of this was even thought of well and then doesn't it was probably around first created the problem because william randolph hearst invented yellow journalism because it works lies in the most outrageous crazy ass staff you can think of so is famous ever really works why do you think they can sell those tabloids in the grocery store as we all know there are no monkeys with three heads but you've got to read about it because it's country i did that for years have always stated that you know as a as a as a species human beings have this incredible ability especially in this country that we can write poetry music movies sonnets whatever about the virtues of humanity and what the right thing is we have all these touchy feely you know saturday afternoon specials but we can only do it on television as as a facade we can't bring it into practice and i've noticed lately and maybe it's just because i watch way too much t but if you look at sitcoms today they did everything is to an extreme you've got characters that you know take seinfeld you know you know i'm sorry if i had friends like george who stands and kramer i would be short two friends because i would push them under a bus because we take you know this behavior it's exemplified on t v but when it's mimicked in real life you're a criminal or you're a bad person or whatever you know you can it's ok to make jokes to to pull pranks to trip people to laugh at their misfortune and misery on the media in television as a fantasy but when we take that behavior because we are a mimicking species that's how we learn things we see somebody else do it and we try it for ourselves and decide do we want to continue this or not but it's just it's so amazing i can't watch t v anymore because of that reason it's just so over the top that you know i'm to people are consequent playing it about my attitude and why are you so that i don't like well here's this character here who's exactly like me have to be a laugh when he does it and you complain when i do it sent as i remember i may be wrong but as i remember blood was delegated to those european presses where they have a picture of a guy squished by a bus and it wasn't in our press blood wasn't really the dominant that it is now in t v where every hour every station is trying to one up the serial killer from the other channel or the serial way that he kill or that this or that and the sewing and that this and that that everybody every week is trying to one up the person next door the other channel or the one right before it with the most blood disfigurement and you know and it starts at about seven o'clock at night and it goes into eleven or twelve you know and it's just crowded and constant awash our t v is awash and it was a scene with sex i mean i i watch a lot of i did leave it to beaver denizen it's just because i'm trying to recapture that nostalgia but like you said again to separate beds you know a sex scene in a fifty's movie was in you window ok we're closing the door it was a your imagination now you're watching porn it's what you do i really need to see all the lingerie and the sweat and the you know i get it they're having sex i really don't think it's appropriate to be so demonstrative about this and show all this explicit detail let's go back to it leave something to the media one hundred percent it's society in this kind of this feedback loop i mean we're going to have to kind of reinvent who we are so that we're looking for real news trying to figure out what things are that are actually affecting our life you know like serial killers my god everyone's on siller serial killer forever you know how unlikely it is for you to die from a serial killer and how likely it is for you to die in an automobile accident does that ever make the news  guy would have agreed with your i meant that twenty years ago that we influence the media now i firmly believe that media influences us that we are absolutely under the control of the media and they're telling us what's popular what to like by sensationalizing everything you know what's four major corporations and a c e o s all those corporations belong on major government the it's secure the security council the major government these all four of these c e o s belong to them when you read the american minute lots of kids nowadays just go on the internet and find what is the most few and that's kind of what they do at school what they think about  yeah you know and like gangnam style the first video to ever get a billion views lots of kids like gangnam style always know about it's by saw and they say and they talk about thing but you want to minimize as much as possible how do you get a quick shot because how do you think this is going you know i think it's going well this is like all these are right we have like never disappointed anyway yeah this is kind of the easy part but it's necessary and we're getting that from everybody and just you know well you know the questions about indoor grows after gross license everybody license just a couple yeah i mean those are you know that's where the rubber hits the earth so that's the tough part this is actually always going to be many times bigger than our i mean i mean it's death with l e d s my room temperature and my temperature under the light is exactly the same most people agree that the plant canopy needs to be maintained at about eighty five degrees the reason for that is because the way plants grow if they transpire water they evaporate moisture and then that allows them to soften new