the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about  for low or you can be born with a middle one or a medium just a smaller amp for you people is down there to have had your eyes fixed yet and there is a big one you are large ok how many here are involved like in linguistics of some kind i don't know why we're doing this other part yet i thought is there anybody here that knows wh thought let's just say that this happens to be a graft i'm not sure yet folks and let's just call this a percent tog graft so i got one percent off the left side one hundred percent off the right side and just for sake of arbitrariness let's make it fifty one percent in the middle i know it should be fifty percent but you have to have something to irritate you while i do this and then you still involved what i'm saying is you make a difference what goes on because i just want your view when you give the attention it's already going on so i can appear not just lie and the spirit would still do what's right and proper for you in that need to know now what happens is there's two sides to the ego mama side and daddy side all right so we inherit one part of this genetic thing from mom and one part from papa and so when we get them together we average them and the average what we call the average we put in like let's just call a dot he will say that's your genetic average but if we just say that's a genetic average we haven't take consideration what the extremes are so we have to do that because it streams or mood swings so i'm just making this up for you by the way it will be years but i'm still making it up by the way this is a relationship counselling the just not heard in case anybody's wondering this goes with your job this goes with your college your horse your pigs or sheep your money no you know when it could be you have to stretch it so we're generous saying at any given point in time where will we find this beautiful young lady's eagle reference down here and let's just call this if we're doing colors us call us the blue let's call this why so let's call this red because some people are accessing this different ways so generous say you're living in the lower third and you even get down lower so that almost ninety percent of the people in a given sample are going to feel more confident self esteem about themself inside the new will on any given problem than the ca so we're same put one hundred people in here ninety of them are going to feel better about it than you are down here when you swing up here this changes now  changes were let's say we're just getting in like seventy five will feel better if it gets up here to bout fifty it's going to be half and half now these are these genetic traits that are in the chromosomes of the mother and the father and from their mothers and fathers and from their mothers and fathers and these are direct genetic sperm  transfers these are not psychic genetics from lifetime existences and you've you've chosen to pick those up to assist you in whatever it is you need to balance and learn and to know in your lifetime here there's always good and bad news with every characteristic and always the good news is what you go into about it now is the bad news is i don't know what to do about it so i suffer most people when they say i don't know what to do about it do the next step which is to beat themself up which is they shouldn't do if they don't know what to do about it they shouldn't be themselves they should actually be quite calm saying i don't know and be relaxed most people go i don't know i don't know i don't and they get anxious and so they're really thinking they do know but they're just being incompetent now while you're sitting here at the spot things go real fine for you you know in a sense who you are inside you have a real sense of of i am this person that i pretty much can be trusted to do these things consistently this way then i really want to do these things consistently this way and that in a sense the word now starts to be a habit habits go into addictions addictions or since sins are missing the mark missing the mark is unnecessary experience is unnecessary experience is evil so we can start to take the seeing and just trail it right  go wow your evil started out as a very innocent something rather directed and i talk about evil now that goes from a spirit level down to a physical level it gets harder to define in the spirit than here can be defined easy because there because their body evil well when this starts moving up here towards the fifty one percentile inside of you will be almost involuntary a sense of good feeling and good will and things are ok and niceness and i'm glad i'm here in fact you were probably up in this area when you volunteered to stand up to talk because if you're down here there's no way and when it when it does i've got to move everything with that or should really feel like a start up to me real good then end up abusing me verbally and i'm just doing the same thing consistently all the way through her interpretation going to vary it may be i'm talking just right now but if that's still the low side i'll end up having in her mind yelled at her to content or to voice so this is the basic foundation th people are coming from up here this expansion movement is really nice when all of us are in that we saw it we see grace retreat absolutely i yeah i'm up for grace i can have grace i can receive it i can do all that now mazing thing is if it were up here in this thread there's a good chance you wouldn't be here why i already got all that stuff a long time ago and who needs a bowl that you're doing wait til you catch up with me and we'll go from there stalin roosevelt you know roosevelt was down here john f kennedy he was down here so you seen well they were leaders they got good people around them to support them in their leadership now you start to get a key to what is a good leader is the goodness of people around them the bad leaders soon as soon as how many from england ok so the i do you're wrong history you check me when they needed somebody to bail them out like this is england going it's worst our incomes churchill after they got everything they were going they booted that secor out we don't need you anymore you're too much of a bulldog when things start going down again grab a hold of small he was perverted i don't mean sexually i mean he was deviated office path he had to fulfill no other destiny with the world when this up here from if this starts at the center point and goes down these are anxieties the slow here is like i don't i don't really know if i can really f i should i would like to go do that but i don't know if i'm qualified there's always this type of mental talk goes on and the the i would like something about me if i should even ask for a nod or i should i want some i mean if i should tell anybody about it now what i'm trying to do is you're probably picking up this whole thing because that's what yours would do use my say god i acted just like you acted you ranked when it goes from the very top of the red here and it's heading down to the bottom of the blue that's calling your husband every four minutes for some reassurance about some that's stopping doing what you're doing and looking in the mirror to see if you're still there that's opening up your wallet to look at your you're photographing your license to see is that you there is such an insecurit here that watching somebody do it you think to be a narcissistic because the drawn the attention to themselves so much because they need to find out who they are in this full of energy there's no way you've never been able to stop or to do anything with it when it comes down there and the stop you go familiar and it's sort of arrested because as long as you're at some point along here you're ok it's when this thing moves now when it goes from the blue down here the low in a move towards the high that's when you get married see and this could be this could be in this phase usually these are about twenty eight twenty nine and thirty day phases that will find these as ill move for looking on at a monograph they will look something like this and they'll be a line through them you know sally had a little bit on the top and more on the bottom because that's what i do here for you i want to have that can group with you as this comes up here this is the part moving from the small to the high that man are attracted to because most men have lower egos if we were to take a survey across the planet not an independent survey you'd find that there are lower egos and they will to bolster the ego go into intellectual positions and bolster themself against the ego world by the intellectual information they have and they'll stay in their area and become noted as experts but you get them out of their area and you pull them over here they may be able to tell you about earthquake prevention till hell won't have been the first time earthquake hits they stand they start crying because they don't know what to do they collapse inside now you have to understand that the eagles are very very powerful they are non reasoning non reasoning and this will almost follow x x x x y x y chromosome factor for you people in genetics biology psychiatry psychology and it almost follows the brown i blew i second or third generation phenotype distribution of eye color would almost be the same thing the way the eagles were going to be distribute down to the children if you were to go for some person who let's say i was in this area it's got to be kind of compatible you have to be within a few percentiles of each other or what you have is no meeting ground or the meeting granted to ships that are passing in the dark and you stop long enough to hop in bed then you hop back out in the ships keep on partying trance yet marriages  if you want to look see one you say what a graph looks like two people that are incompatible one lives down here at this percentile and the other lives over this percentile how did they even get together they have mood swings and this is where they meet and that little bit of meeting space like three or four percent of one hundred percent that they're going to meet is really not a whole lot of things to build anything on when i see people doing this i just go yeah don't don't give me a real good wedding present there has to be something practical in all this this and this part here where they meet together is good now what happens if these two people get together when this person if this is a female and the bottom one is a male when he goes beyond her range she is absolutely devastated left out he's divorced me he's leaving me you love them more than me i don't count your life you've got other things before me you put other things before me you're going to continue putting things before me probably before they were married he said listen this part of here's where i gain my support the strength to live if i can't be up here getting this strength to expand we die in the slower part you've got to support me to stay up here so that i can keep bringing where with all back here and if there's children involved then this woman's got to really understand one of st paul he's up there i'll sew and knit i'll i'll go i'll get a part time job i'll do some painting that i wanted to do i've got some free time away from my husband hey that's great the things that movies he didn't want to go see that i want to see death might go see the movie time i mean this is really what i call opportunities for freedom you're looking at as opportunities for failure and lack and no support well you will create out of your ego that the cheerful living inside yourself and i would just say god i hope he goes higher than what was described because if it doesn't we are going to get too far with the person might say my ego is structured not on a horizontal plane but a slow or gradual but i'll get there that's why we do not judge people's progression because you don't know what the pattern is we just say you're here now you had to leave maybe your pattern is you had to leave five years later you come back you're set to go and you just say that's the way it is you come when you go and there's no value on it except you know keep in touch right there is no high doom if you want to the first six weeks of marriage congress is the big effect for the first six weeks after that how could you to have so much to talk about unless you're talking about the same things over and over and over called i mean secure and i want you to help me out of my insecurity leave everything and come home so i can see you so i feel secure they leave everything they come home they see you feel secure now it's time for them to go to work and you're going to run your own security again i call that a high maintenance woman it's like i've marry somebody who was real high maintenance and that i would be saying later with you me not to you to a high maintenance woman just later unless she had all the money then i would be doing high maintenance subsiste why be a fool about this planet there's no need to be a fool about that doesn't preclude loving and caring it's just she's got the money so i don't have to go work so i can stay spend time there and do all of that but the husband has to go out and be eight ten fifteen hours out there every day to make it come together then that's the way it's going to be and you can live a miserable marriage existence or you can enter into the gratefulness that you've got somebody who do that now i'm sure you went into your marriage with your eyes open and you marry somebody who i the sense or is more committed to the spirit and to god than you are because they spent more time to find out who and what that is inside and you decide you'd get it to them if i married jesus therefore i get to go to heaven well that's not true jesus went all by himself did you hear him taken up mary or martha or anybody kno he might bring four or five so it's the thing last analysis type of statement you must do it yourself for yourself for your own spiritual evolve and evolution if it's not matched into your spouse it won't be long to there be a divorce separation you may still live in the same house but it'll be a divorce and separation it just will be like that and there's very various degrees of what that's like before there's a legal thing and then you live in different parts of the country or the different parts of the city but almost everyone who got divorced saw it coming in hindsight now and at the time could have seen it coming had they known this is how these things start and tell you how they start they start by separation they start by one feeling they're not getting enough out of what the supposed to be given and they assign the roles of the spouse you're supposed to do these things for me if we're married the spouse may say i'm doing these things if i'm married and those are off and that's called conflict and so you're busy in your relationship doing karma called conflict resolution does that ever resolve itself only if a person says i have enough love for me that i can lift me above my status and current position expand include you in that that point it's at the it's called a marriage but it's really it's not a romantic thing it's a great partnership thing and it's not called fifty fifty partnership on the money and who works i work forty hours so you work forty hours it's not that it's any one is prepared to work one hundred percent if the other one can't but that point there's no selfishness there's no hurt there's no lack because you're dealing at one hundred percent of your percentages so you come up to this height your husband goes higher his debt for you you when you when you want to have sex it's just cut awesome and it's and it and it can be done in a nice way and it can be done in a very very crude way or even if you do it to this person he moves down here and you still continue this approach when they're down here you've done irrepairable damage was about personal hygiene look at how many levels can be in there it is this could be here you don't make enough money when they get down here it's like no matter what i give us not enough so i give nothing then this person starts to reach pull back and europe you're saying see i told you so it goes right you told me pull back i pull back your prophecy is fulfilled but is that what you wanted to have extremes the answer will no then you have to say listen this is the mood i'm in and in a sense when we say i feel moody people sort of like ok go ahead it's like saying you wake up when you go to walk up with a headache this morning it sort of give me a grouch then if they do something funny you go hey it's ok you're going to give them a lot of allowance for a headache and a lot of allowance for being a grouch they do that fifteen days in a row i don't care for i'm not a chiropractor you're be a pain in the neck and i'm curing it now you understand the dynamics of this and i didn't go into a lot of details because i saw you like slotting things in like that just this this fits that's why i do this why do that that's right you're really pretty accurate on your perception how do i go from here to here and my stuck in my damned forever no in the midst of contraction is the choice of expansion you can either contract and say i'm not going to i'm not going to have i'm going to expand i'm going to feel good when i get there it'll get there and you still feel like you're up in here because you're now taking mental control over your emotional swings when this thing goes back down again you're going to want to go to bed early you don't want to sleep for a long time because it's going to go for them and people may hear they say to some just crash you may say yeah my ego just whacked back in again and i really feel in your face and lips of term bowl and you know and you think you'll say it's just really hard in here people see that will say come on lay down rest go to bed get some sleep i'll take care of things and then inside of you you start to feel the goodness of the graciousness of the person but if they go yeah just as you set up the thing you did all the stuff here you said being a bitch you bitched about it you know you screwed me around you fell down n bail you out a lot of men will go to that a smart man says you did all this honey and take care while they're down there he can sit on the edge of bed and say you know i looked at this you know why you went up here and did this  meantime she said in the cuddling up listening because she wants comfort she wants security she wants acknowledgement she wants to know she goes to everything this is the time you give him the message you get up here and you always pick up sixteen eggs honey where you can only hold five no one is you have broken eggs on the floor how about putting them sixteen eggs in a basket she has such a wonderful idea says or put six in there make two trips she was asked to read thick comes back up again she put sixteen eggs their hands on breaks from the game why because these people think that that doesn't apply to them they always figure that it wasn't meant for me that was meant for me but that isn't meant for me and you have to tell them what's on the ups and the lead eraser those are separate things they're continuums these are continuums are not separate it doesn't go like from your hand up your shoulder it goes from one hand to the other hand right through you know someplace in theirs is the average if and the variable is most women are up here in this red and most men are down here someplace below the fifty one percentile rank and these people exude ego strength and power they're the type that can reach over grab somebody go you can do it and picks a person up the guy better do it or should drop me and so he does that which is easy to do in any any of these levels it's easy to do what's hard to do is the attitude that goes before you make so hard to do but when if you say forget the attitude just do it then it's very easy to do the negative thing is this mother thing that comes out as ego pressure from the woman and she lifts up says you can do it you know do it this way no do it my way becomes some other love and he'll be ok for a while until his ego starts to move and then he overthrows it and becomes hell on wheels you go because he was so sensitive the neat and sweet how can we turn out to be an ogre why is he drinking to compensate against the strength if he's drunk he's not responsible for your strength of what you do if he smashed drugs whatever he's not responsible for what you put out up here the big ego person is not aware of the they're the great bore they're the person that has to sit on the edge of the seat during a dance so there's always somebody left sitting there not even a wallflower because there's no flower to describe stinkweeds or some like that and i tell you what goes on inside of there you get a man with a big ego who hasn't knowledgably working and he can motivate people to do tremendous things for themself for him for the organization and it's a win for everyone and we go what a great person but the same time you feel the strength of the ego some person said i would rather have you fear me than respect me because out of fear i'll get more done out of respect for me you may not do it but if you fear me you'll do it there's a lot of truth there's a lot a great deal of truth in that and lot of relationships are based upon fear and strength but if they're based upon respect of knowledge of how these emotional mood swings and genetic patterns are working then there's this compassion the the real key thing is that if we have caring and cooperation and compassion for the will of another person when we ask them to do something we're not manipulating them but if we don't have a compassion for their will or any caring and then we're manipulating them all we're doing is being caring about our own what do i get out of it how do i feel about it i don't care how you feel about it what you get out of it and these people are usually setting themselves a swing from a long rope or they're walking out on the plank and sawing it off  they maybe start cancers in their body but they're fast on the way downhill and it sort of what you asked is not a real easy yes no answer it's very complicated i've probably answered but tam percent of what i could do here give you had four or five days and could go through all of the dynamics as they go in and out and help children work in that and how how the husband when he gets down here will start to act like a child wan to breast feed again it was a joke the husband appear we started to get to be a child want to breastfeed again she may not want to go along with that or she may decide to mother and these are all  factors of the consciousness of ego ego as defined by me is the sense of awareness of who i am at any given moment in time or space who i am and who i am is how i feel about myself now what i think if i was thinking i would know that that's really not me because i move if i said here's low ego right here and here is middle ego and over here is a large ego and we use this platform as this particular thing when i'm up here superman when i'm down here clark kent when i get down here billy batson but i know how to get to superman just run into a phone booth but i've got to run through clark ca now you're going to be up for a fall you're setting yourself up to fall and what you're going to fall forward or backwards either way you're going down you're going down and before you go you're going to have leg problems and hip problems and humiliation and embarrassment problems and and you hope somebody do some sum in o t or something to gain the value of all this death and of and if they're not if you're not doing it you can stand here and move and feel more comfortable because you're in the higher end than standing here and moving because i'm already in the lower side at fifty one percent this is goes towards the high side so i can't divide the stage immediately in half i've got a little bit more towards the bigger side so as soon as i stand fifty one percent i'm in the bigger ego sign a middle sized ego does not know if they have a big or small eagle that's a few people who are wondering who are you what are you what my big or small one in between what you mean in between it looks like this you're right there and you go up there and you come down here and you're saying i do that there's nothing so bad as to ask a big eagle person or middle sized one would you please take over and run this great big organization and they go ye and then they start running and then they start to move up now they want everybody up here who's just like them this is called king of the mountain probably the biggest thing that gets in the way you go would be a person not a trick called and patience were the big eagle says i have said here for two hours for two days why not do it god if you does you've got a very small god you've got one under your control which is then probably going to be something like a basic self or an entity helping out a smaller ego says things come to me over a long period of time and so i will so the lord's footsteps are at the door knock the big ego sets of the door footsteps at the door didn't stand a difference in thinking if you knew were you he would have come soon so maybe he can hear them point to and some very implicitly defined that the living body is the temple of god now that selects to be really strange  and i'm not going to us like a human being but let's just say this which after this what the orig field around human body looks like it's sort of oval shape is the is the temple of god and this can be divided up compartmental into all sorts of generation patterns and psychic patterns and reincarnation patterns and karmic patterns and promised patterns and broken commitment patterns so we just say that's not what i'm talking about that and we can split this with a line this way or we can split the line this way and we can do this anywhere ok so they're making this seem to be equal or even it could have been one down here one over here so i'm just doing this in a very arbitrary way then you can do it however you want to this this body being the temple of god is stated in the scripture the kingdom of heaven is within and they said that the temple the body is the living temple of the living god so right now we've got geography located the kingdom of heaven is within it's inside you look there first seek first the kingdom of god lot of people get really confused with me because i have a vow poverty i didn't say i would have well i just said i won't anything in my name it gets worse if i talk about health wealth happiness prosperity bonnets and riches love and caring and sharing and exemplified none of those what would you think of my statements don't listen to him and so every one of these statements i work to make them so i do it is very simple that i do caring i do caring right now or you would you would not be there i may not be doing compassion because that's a quality does not call for in this particular communication for it is definitely would get there and so you're just going to bring forward the tools necessary for the communication right now we're trying to bring forward the tools to understand  the soul of the god that aspect and sign therefore it's got to be intellectual tools of communication inside of us is the  i could have put that down here at the bottom ok again we're doing real arbitrariness here i want to be a grassy goes right in the middle of your throat because that's what would have been on that oval had he drawn in the stick ma gland so if we're putting eyes in here someplace we say it's up in here also we're saying often the mind is found to be associated with in that same sphere we're talking about mind as being found in this area the mind is actually found outside the physical body the brain is found inside the body and becomes just the thing that really relationships associates things to the body out the world for manifestation if it didn't every time you thought a thing would take place in and around your body immediately you people understand that because thinking is very powerful and it produces energy and energy produces movement so as you said i think i'll go outside you would be started to walk out sometimes people who aren't too intelligent are caught in that so they the mind coming under the jurisdiction of the call power has  much as we have smell touch taste hear it has inner senses and perceptions and its inner part of us in a perceptions is that it has a spirit perception the mind does so it can perceive soul  innocent not necessarily an experienced but it's every experience that has a still innocent of the experience so the mind then tries to convict the soul of its dastard ness and it's that it's experience was that that then a process of evil and so is confined to finish up whatever it starts and that's probably the current thinking in the world today pretty much most of them will say yeah so what you have here is you have this particular thing and let's say the soul come out of the body and into the mind and the mike into the brain and the mind comes into here and now it's all wov together then it's had a generation of which to learn all sorts of bad things bad in terms of its destiny how do you separate the soul out of the mind  mind had got me a way out of it captured and had been over with real soon so each has their is not rationalizing in terms of today they each have their innocence except mind over here has a call power that is guiding it but supplying it a type of energy field it's craftiness deceitful it's thinking ability is remarkable absolutely remarkable and its ability to twist is absolutely astounding it will make you doubt your own perception it will make you doubt your own thought of what you really knew that happened that you were there and i just seen so much of that and as the mind here's the mouth talking it will then think that it had not thought it clearly either because now what it hears itself saying sounds better than one thought so then adopts as being true also so the mind is never really going on experience as much as going on a reflection process in the soul is going on experience therefore it's real hard to trust the mind on its experience and what it says happened in this and that my experience the talks about you here being embellished and you say well how come you're saying more now than you did last time well because i just remembered more you just remembered more what you heard yourself saying and you're bringing it back out as though over original true it's not it's just a rehash so what we have here is the old gordian knot in jesus and one of his messages said the spirit i will cut the spear the the spirit of the saw from the flesh and that the flesh and the spirit war with each other the war is not like taking up arms and beating on each other the war is trying to get away ache like i can't believe the saw is pulling its energy up out of it it will then from that after it's free will produce energy through the blood that that point the energy then is concentrated back having a magnet and let's say that in inside the blood there's all these little pieces of metal floating around and they just got no way you can get a doubt so how do you get out well we'll just take the blood and run it through them she will magnetize that i have thing that's not a blood will be pulled out so the sound current a sense of word starts to pull the soul out and to bring itself up into the the top part of the head this is often when you start getting along a spiritual path to get headaches in nothing seems really to feel temporarily good until some point you say i'll just expand this area her soul lives inside of me so that i can contain anywhere this is then called the halo effect or the glory that surround the saints of old and and reseed around a lot of people so you come in if you come into this you say i will posture myself before the lord prayer seen the chair lie down but inside of my mind i will bring myself to the lowest which is the feet and the feet symbolically or understanding which is then experience who says then i will bring my experience before the lord and offer my experience to the lord as a sacrifice if that experience is found worthy then the lord will take that and make it what its worth is if the lord finds it not worthy i will change my ways and do new things which is often the way prayers are answered we were born into a new thing so we come and sit down to and we say if i want if there are ill say if this room were all you you got me and a says we made eye contact and i said c'mon get up and leave the group in the sense of the word that's what simran is or s e's is doing that similar process that you're in the sense calling yourself it reminds me a lot of when i was in india visiting with side baba who is said to be the i don't argue that in these descriptions because why should i but here we walk in a group of people like this and he would come over here to talk this person some of the will say baba baba and he'll be off drawn by the one that can call the strongest frequency  so the people are smart get on the front line they go baba baba and they keep his attention by waving things in front of his face until it comes over then he gives it to them and they talk louder to him than anybody else so if they go to hear baba somebody says baba they they say baba right on top of it again so he goes to go like that please call back because you call he goes by the name call well it's the same thing in here that as we chan the names of the lord and we start up other people are chanting also this lord that we're dealing with is not small and can face universes and know everyone who calls the name and can also tell them it's not time for that person to come forward why they have not done the attunement or a tone meant you have not done enough to bring your consciousness clear enough where whenever the energy is extended you're not destroyed but you are then lifted to the lord's glory not your own and when we're lifted we often don't feel the glory of the lift we often feel like a release of pressure but if we know that's taken place inside comes a joy and a happiness and we say to ourself well done and we're saying the basic servant servant well done and so we know that if we're going to the work in the house the lord the best thing to do is to come into a position of service and to learn and serve is the big thing here and sometimes it's learn how to serve then if that servant is done for reward process it does not count therefore your works become the same as filthy rags they're not counted but if the service becomes done for the service of the love of that person that service is counted to your right useless or righteousness and the lord calls you forth them because he says the servant is the leader of the master best way then to approach the lord what is it you want for me or you want me to do or lord how do i fit in your will to do your will you have to listen close because your ego is going to through the mind through the negative power give you some sort of mantle of recognition so you can go out and try to do something that will help you but it might lead you a long way into success and then cut your throat just at the am therefore check the spirit continuously to see whether it john rogers closing words were in which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i e dot au argy or right to that which is post office box five one three one three five los angeles california zip called nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is what john rogers thanks for joining