hi thank you for coming so this is entitled up there what can i do about climate change and more popularly known as a non depressing talk on climate change why is it in title that this talk starts from the assumption that you all already know something about the science of climate change that you already understand that we have a problem and that's why you can't so there will be no grounding polar bears in this talk  what i am going to talk about is the solutions that are available to us a little bit about why we as a country seem to be living in this information land and then actions that are happening right now that you can get involved in and things that you can do about climate change so this first slide is about efficiencies and abatement is part of the solution before us efficiencies and abatement mean that machines buildings or equipments can be made more efficient right now the way we make things there's a tremendous amount of energy that is wasted by the equipment that we have and this mckinsey curve here shows the cost of carbon savings so all of the abatements pay for themselves that's the part below the x e in the picture the ones above the axes are new technologies or alternative energies and they do cost money but the sort of good news here is that a lot of the solution pays for itself and since paying for this is an issue that's kind of good to know armory leavens a nationally known environmental engineer says that we can get to three hundred fifty parts per million carbon which is the safe level by having these six percent improvements in a fish and seas if we did that in this country and if china did eight percent efficiencies in their country so as we're building new things it means that the the new things need to be built with these efficiencies and that as we in our businesses homes churches and organizations make decisions that we have to be building that into the decisions that we make transportation makes up a little less than a third of the u s total carbon output most of the energy is used by cars is used to move the weight of the car car companies are now designing cars made out of composite which makes it the same size but one third of the weight of current car and that means that they can have better mileage and less energy to be built in the first place later means that smaller batteries are needed this also means that the plug in revolution becomes much more possible that we can actually get to a situation where we use solar power to fuel our cars essentially this is a solar car designed by the palestinians in order to avoid buying israeli oil planes are one of the hugest contributors to our individual carbon footprint your carbon footprint means the carbon that you personally use in a year to support your way of life planes use about one pound of carbon per every mile that you travel so for most people if you do travel by plane it's one of the biggest contributors there is to your carbon footprint so the good news about planes is that they also can be designed with this later composite material we have basically yet to start designing energy efficient engines for them they still have very old style engines they would have to be fueled with bio fuel and when i say that i do mean the non food kind of bio fuel there is a lot of things like swish grass because there's a lot of issues with taking food and turning it into energy and leaving people starving buildings are roughly one third of the energy that the u s consumes one of the biggest savings in carbons is integrated design so the heat created by the use of a electricity is used for heating the building integrated design also makes use of passive solar and other design features in order to use less energy armory leavens himself lives in a very large huge house in colorado which despite the cold winters there he pays nothing for heat or energy and his house actually feeds energy back into the energy grid this picture that you're looking at here is a skyscraper named pearl river tower in china that was designed to have a zero carbon footprint due to integrate of design so that whole skyscraper has a zero footprint the bullet foundation here in seattle opened its model carbon neutral building in april of last year britain is requiring that all of its new buildings be carbon neutral by the year two thousand and sixteen the empire state building was retrofitted in a way to serve one to save one third of its current energy and part of how this was done was one of the floors the building vacant floor was taken to make a factory in which they manufactured everything that they needed for the retrofit so they didn't have to transport the parts to the site so that sort of an example of the kind of creativity that can be employed in order to do things in a more energy efficient way you've probably heard people say that we may have to use nucular for cleaning coal sort of double speak because they say there's no way that alternative energies can get us where we need to go in fact already without subsidies incredible leaps have been made in alternative energies if we were to take the subsidies that we currently give to carbon and call to coal and oil and give them two alternatives we would be able to move them forward at a much faster rate than they currently are doing this graph shows how we could get to carbon neutral with energy alternatives by two thousand and fifty s to mates that alternative energies can produce twenty two times the current amount of power produced by coal he goes on to say that nucular is not proceeding at a pace that will even replace the existing nucular power plants and this is probably even more true after fukushima scientists estimate that more than forty percent of excess of c o two that we have in the air has accumulated from the deforestation that we've done in the past centuries we can make a huge difference simply by planting trees each one is considered to use approximately twenty five pounds of carbon a year and trees sequester carbon over their life time in a bell curve so towards the end of their life they don't absorb as much so this means that they can still be harvested but a good policy would suggest that we do that towards the end of their life in china in one thousand nine hundred one their congress declared that all citizens above the age of eleven have the duty to plant three trees a year as a result in two thousand and eight they planted eleven point seven million acres of forest that here plant to the planet is an international program run by children there's one here in seattle the father of whom is sitting in the audience right now and they have been determining how many trees will need to be planted in order to soak up the carbon that we need to soak up and so they've done that also by state so here in washington they've estimated that we need to plant one billion trees and that breaks down to one hundred fifty for each of us so i'd like you all to please get started on your allotment of one hundred  fifty trees and these kids get trained in being able to talk about these issues and they have talked to city council the new mayor and the governor and that's one of them right there talking at our draw the that climate change is a large problem however if we work effectively and even one part of it we can make a difference we do not need to stick our heads in the sea and feel overwhelmed one of the reasons it's hard to take action against climate change is that as individuals we think that the problem is way bigger than us that we don't have the power or the control over all the factors this is one reason why it helps to join with other people and taking action we might even as it suggests here wind up making a better world if you take no other point from this presentation i would like you to take away the idea that we have all the technological and six and social solutions that we need to solve climate change what we lack is the political will and you have to be part of the solution and of developing that political will public awareness about climate change is a very real problem at yale and george mason may have been doing an ongoing study on public opinion about climate change since two thousand and eight in two thousand and seven before the study started due to the influence of the movie an inconvenient truth was the highest year of belief in our country in the reality of climate change here you can show that by two thousand and eight there was still pretty high believe and in the fall of two thousand and twelve it was almost at that same level but sadly we are flagging again among the sixty three percent of americans who are concerned about climate change only fifteen percent are very worried and thirty eight are somewhat worried other studies show that it takes twenty percent of the population to be active on a concern in order for change to take place so i invite you to join me in moving the other five percent of the population into understanding the severe and the solution of the situation only forty two percent of americans believe that scientists agree on climate change as human made and severe so i'm going to ask members of the audience here to shout out what you think and michael doesn't get to answer this are the number the percentage of scientists who actually do agree that climate change is human ma we have a very well educated audience here ninety seven percent in peer reviewed studies another study done at drexel shows that extreme weather events a vent such as war unemployment oil prices science education activists and none of this affects public opinion or media coverage the media responds to political battles or elite cues meaning famous people so  you know any famous people please talk to me afterwards about that therefore when a political battle does take place about climate change regardless of the outcome it raises public awareness about it so the democrats have had a strategy of not trying to bring bills to congress on climate change unless they think they can win i think this is a wrong strategy we need to be doing it anyway because win lose or draw more people wander stand about climate change this is becoming increasingly polarized debate between republicans and democrats i know this is counter intuitive to those of you who believe that science should be the thing that guides our thinking about climate change but back in the clinton years two thirds of both democrats and republicans believed in climate change now we have nine tenths of democrats believe in it and only three tenths of republicans but what some of the answers can be found most are going to go there yet some of the answers can be found in the work of jonathan hiatt a psychologist or george lake off a linguist both see that the two parties have very different value systems and how we have framed the issue of climate change speaks to the democratic frame but it does not speak to the republican  however another part of the answer to this is the very well funded misinformation campaign that the koch brothers and the oil cartels have been funding since the seventy's they have funded research studies and twelve different think tanks which have produced scientific studies not peer reviewed reviewed ones that are the basis of climate deny all they have made sure that those studies go to the media the courts are cited in court cases cited by politicians and pundits does not a health that the current media's idea of balanced reporting is that you report two sides of every story even if one side represents three percent of science perhaps the most interesting answer comes from from niamey klein's article capitalism versus climate in the november two thousand and eleven issue of nation magazine here she reports on attending a climate hoke hoax conference sponsored by one of the koch brothers foundations she reports on various aspects of the conference but concludes that perhaps the far right  key implications of climate change more and fact than most americans we cannot keep living the lifestyle that we are living radical change will be required what will be required and they haven't grasped that that is a threat to capitalism as we know it in fact they believe that the secret agenda of the left is is caring is about climate change because of its ability to destroy capitalism so suddenly it sort of makes sense about the red blue split however despite the somewhat bad news about how politicized and polarized the country has become on this issue there is some good news and the yell study here you can see when asked how much do you support or oppose regulating carbon dioxide the primary greenhouse gas as a pollutant that the vast majority of democrats and seventy six seven percent of independents and sixty seven percent of republicans favor this this is the rank and file average people of every party despite the party bias when when just asked about whether they favored certain policies almost everyone in both parties favor hot placing a high priority on developing clean energy alternatives in this graph you can see how the majority of people feel about each of these possibilities the blue being favoring it and the red one should being opposing it  the first one is funding renewable energy that's the most popular the second one providing tax rebates for efficiencies cars and solar panels the third one regulating c o two is a  pollutant this one was a surprise for me because this is what lost in congress earlier and yet still it's that popular expanding offshore drilling this is environmentally actually a very bad idea but the good news here is that the majority of americans do support this the bad news is that it comes six because it's actually a very important part of what would be solutions for us and then the last two eliminating all federal energy subsidies which would eliminate for coal and and oil and then the nuclear power so how do we personally make a difference you haven't done undoubtedly heard arguments by people before about whether individual choices can make a difference to solving a prius really how except there is no way that we can get to lower carbon emissions without americans changing our lifestyle because we consume so much more energy than other countries on a per capita basis and this slide the us is the blue on the bottom china is the purple they have surpassed us in terms of absolute carbon value but if you consider that they manufacture most of our consumable goods i think we fairly would have to say that a good portion of their climate footprint it's really our climate footprint and the purple strip above the us is misleading because it is all of europe combined so that's pretty shocking when you think that all those countries combined to that level things will be different twenty years from now no matter what we do the yale study shows that only thirty nine percent of americans recognize that we have already harmed the earth and only thirty nine believe that they personally will be affected the truth is that we have already changed the earth permanently and everyone living will feel it effects we have until twenty twenty to make a significant difference or we will invoke tipping points in nature that will set off a chain of irreversible effects the time for change is now this by the way is the depressing slide in this we will have to live in healthier ways what i see is that will we will be eating more locally grown and healthier foods collaborating more with friends and neighbors walking and biking more while improving our health living in generally more sustainable earth friendly way and depending on how we go about this we can either position our society now to make good choices or we can laugh lock in bad outcomes the longer we wait the more severe the changes that we face and the more options we take off the table so i'm going to have rich pass out a handout right now this handout has on it the same carbon calculator that's listed on the top of here and i encourage you to actually calculate what your carbon footprint is we don't really know until we do it i always thought of myself as a very earth friendly person who would have a low carbon footprint but i didn't know about the flying part and when i was married my family had a very embarrassing lehigh carbon footprint so we know that changing light bulbs makes a small impact but on this handout it lists many different things having varying impacts and so you know one person sacrifices another person's joy some of us may not be into giving up hot showers are but are delighted to hang out the laundry with the birds chirping nearby and vice versa so you know you have to have that conversation with your family and figure out what you're willing to do but one of our greatest impacts come when we organize with other people there are lots of opportunities within your own workplace if you work in a corporation a small shop or an office you can apply a lot of the same carbon saving ideas to your workplaces you can talk with people in your professional organizations in your churches civic groups there are lots of places to try to work on changing this because it's all part of what's going to have to happen in the long run i think our greatest impact comes when we join with other people i am the coordinator locally seattle three fifty three fifty is an international organization which takes its name after the parts per million that we can safely have without raising the earth's temperature by two degrees which is what scientists have agreed would be unsafe and in fact they're now starting to say it's a little bit less than two degrees three fifty takes a leave it in the ground approach and what that means is that the fossil fuel companies have five times the reserves in the ground than what we can safely burn and stay at that level of three fifty and so we're trying to take actions that encourage that to be left in the ground and not extracted and burned we have our own chapter here which started last may this is a list of the work groups that we have we have meetings once a month on the first wednesday of every month that university friends meeting so you just missed the february meeting but there are opportunities  march nationally three fifty has fought to stop the x l pipeline which is designed to transport dirty tar sands from alberta b c to the gulf of mexico for export we have fought to stop this because as you can see in this picture the extracting of this deep heavy tar sands from from the environment is a disaster it also burns with a heavier carbon load than regular oil and this has caused james hansen the sort of premier climate scientists to call it game over for the plan if we proceed with it excels political fate changes almost weekly which is sort of an amusing statement for me to be making today since the previous friday the state department came out with its environmental impact statement in this is the second environmental impact statement  that they've made on it and it's just as flawed as his previous one that they made on it they got contractors to work on the statement who as it turns out are subcontractors for  the companies who are building the pipeline so there's a lot of problems with this statement they're also saying that it will have limited climate impact along the length of the pipeline which sort of miss es the point since what we're worried about is the carbon that it will release not to mention the possibility of it actually leaking so at this point we are now in a ninety day comment period where other departments of the government will be commenting on it and the public comment period will start february fifth so you'll all have a chance to write something about it and when that ninety day period is up kerry will make a recommendation to president obama and then president obama will make a decision about it so seventy six thousand americans have and counting have signed the pledge of resistance the pledge of a list of resistance is people who are pledging to commit civil disobedience in order to try to stop president obama from approving it so if at the end of the ninety day we won't stand for this we have also been dogging him everywhere he goes for the last several years so whenever he goes somewhere there's people standing with signs saying no on x l and in the sign here you can also see  says stop t p this is as you know president obama was here this past november and this is our local chapter greeting him when he was here in november and he did see us many of you are probably aware of the very successful work of power past coal a coalition of environmental groups working against coal trains and i have to say we've made great progress originally there were five proposals for shipping coal from montana to washington ports several of them canceled at this point the one in cherry point is in the verge of collapsing one of the major funders has pulled their money out of it there's a lawsuit against it the local board there has been elected with a majority of people against it so that one is probably going to go down and that leaves only one viable proposal to ship out of the port of vancouver by longview washington this happened because thousands of washingtonians came out and testified against the coal trains at several different hearings that were held so this in my mind is really a story of successful citizen activism the northwest is very fortunate because seattle city like its most of its energy from hydro power and we have a better carbon footprint than most of the country however puget sound energy still gets a significant part of its energy from dirty coal in montana and so we have to keep the pressure up on them to get out of the coal business a critical thing to understand is that right now washington is at risk for becoming a carbon corridor where not only have they been trying to ship the coal across our state but now they are also shipping frakt back and shell to market across our state and there are proposals for ten to rail new new proposals so there's going to be a lot of hearings coming up in the next two years about those proposals these trains they're very old cars they're prone to puncture and it's been discovered that the shale because it is extracted from from fairly deep in the earth has a lot of explosive gases in it as part of it and so on the trains if it gets above seventy three degrees there's a very high chance of it exploding and so we've already had six explosions since july of last year and in one case forty seven people in a whole town were wiped out so this is why we are doing things like we just met this week with the new mayor's staff trying to make the case to him to stand in opposition to it and thirteen different environmental groups have sent a fifty called for cities universities and churches to divest their share of fossil fuel industries to to not have stock in them and this is because the fossil fuel industry owns five times the reserves of what can be safely burned so we want to put moral pressure on them to say that this is not acceptable to make profit at the cost of human life this is not unlike the divestment process that happened it around south africa where a lot of pressure was put on the south african government and apartheid and just this in that campaign you don't have to have even a huge percentage of people divest ing you just have to have people divesting because it starts that process and that attention to the issue  mcginn became the first mayor in this country to pledge divestment of seattle and he divest it our general fund most of the money however is in the employee retirement fund so we are currently engaging in a campaign to get city council to put pressure on the board overseeing the punch of the pension to divest and if there are any city of ploys in the audience i'd love to hear from you later you can also sign our petition which is on our web page about this the you and seattle use students are also actively engaged in campaigns to get their campuses to divest and i think are making some good progress on that the unit church and the presbyterian church have also on a regional level begun the divestment of their funds we in the northwest still need to be developing alternative sources of energy we are lucky because we have this possibility for solar fields and wind fields in eastern washington and this is a picture of some of the wind fields that we do have in the eastern washington in two thousand and eleven we had an extra large snow melt the opposite of what we'll have this year and it was maxing out the grid because of the hydro power and so then they started asking the windmills to unhook from it because the grid couldn't take any more capacity and that then puts the windmills at risk for financial failure so one of the things we have to do is build grid capacity so that the alternatives can actually do their job we are also many decades behind other major cities  having good public transportation so we have to keep pushing on that front as well in september two thousand and ten city council passed an initiative to make seattle carbon neutral making it one of their six for the city and all the other laws and policies that they pass seattle now has such a plan to get to carbon neutral by two thousand and fifty have to say it's a very inadequate plan doesn't move us nearly fast enough most of the changes at the end it is a start and again we have to keep pushing in washington during the two thousand and thirteen legislative season we passed a program called new energy cities which was to help moderate size cities in our state make their own plan for reducing greenhouse gas emissions so that's kind of cool because it's moving that same model to other cities so there's sort of a hope there that some of them can start to plan and look in the right direction another great way to take action is to join your local scallops group scallop stands for sustainable communities all over puget sound and if you go to  scallops dot com you can find the one closest to you they try to work on helping build sustainable neighborhoods and getting people in neighborhoods to cooperate with each other on a sustainable alternatives so this is billed as a non depressing talk on climate change some of you will feel like it lived up to its title some of you will not i have tried to show in this talk that we have all the solutions we need we just need the political will i've tried to show how the misinformation campaigns have affected us and i've tried to show how you can work on your own personal carbon footprint as well as how you can join with others and working on climate change joanna macy says when a change ship when a change wants to happen it looks for people to act through how do we know when a change wants to happen we feel the want inside us when we see with new eyes we recognize how every action has significance how the bigger story of the great turning is made up of countless smaller stories if you were freed from fear and doubt what would you do for the great turning of our society is eco feminist a buddhist and a whole systems thinker who's been working since the early eighty's and i'm helping people to notice how our despair for the state of the earth sits on a house and immobilizes us her workshops the work that reconnect she covers the spiral gratitude for the world seeing with new eyes which is about non linear time and going forth which is about action steps my own  spair about climate change has been greatly changed by doing this work and i have to say the more i've moved into activism the more my despair has lifted so i closed with that quote from joanna and the news that we do have a local work that reconnects group that meets once a month and also the information of her book active hope how to face the mess we're in without going crazy  because if you are feeling discouraged about climate change there is a hopeful way forward so i heard a couple different groups sort of looking at the question of is there enough time to make change and and just you know in general how slowly human beings make change  and certainly like i think about things like one hundred fifty years it took to end slavery in the united states i could kind of you know pull my hair out and say oh god you know where we're sunk however the example that i would rather draw our attention to is world war two because during during world war two in this country when this country decided that it was a crisis  put rations on various different things people didn't dry the whole industrial of this country was transformed to producing for the war effort people did without all kinds of things in order for that production for the war effort to happen people had victory gardens most homes garden produce some of their food and this was all in a relatively short period of time a year or two that this change took place and at the same time you had people throughout europe and russia and japan also living in kind of crisis conditions their lives totally turned upside down living completely differently  really if you think about it south america was the only continent that wasn't affected by world war two so we have in our history a time where we as a people came together and made changes towards a common goal if we had the political leadership and that will only be created by the pressure from us we could galvanize in the same sort of way but it really is going to be needing to galvanize just doing a little incremental things that is not going to do it you know rich this is at least the second time i know that there's been a pledge of religious resistance there was also one in the eighty's where people had pledged to the idea was to try to prevent the next vietnam war and we saw the u s government really doing a lot of bad cia action in central america and looking like they were going to invade various countries in central america and so people pledged and said i will come and i will commit civil disobedience and a key moment to try to stop a u s invasion and you know we didn't invade any of those countries i don't know if i really want to count that given what the cia did but i arguably that was effect and so this is a kind of similar idea of can we strategically commit civil disobedience at a key moment that will put pressure on president obama so would seeing seventy six thousand people get arrested in every major city in the united states make him feel like it would be untenable to go forward that this would be you know the kind of civil unrest that he would be facing so that's kind of the idea behind the pledge of resistance and if people are interested in that there are ongoing civil disobedience trainings for participating in it you in fact can't participate in it unless you first go to the training and there's one coming up in february i forget the exact date but it is on our website and i should also mention that three fifty seattle dot org website has an action page on it and that's kept very current and so at any moment in time if you look at it and are kind of trying to figure out what are some actions that you could take there are always some on there there is a woman who is actually worth earth ministries  one of the people helping to organize this whole disobedience training's certainly earth ministry is aware of them but i i wouldn't say that they themselves are doing active organizing around it three fifty did have a working group which was on church they vestment and that one kind of folded into our general divestment group at this point but we are actively looking at how can we do more outreach with churches so we have a speakers bureau of which i'm one of the speakers trying to go out to the churches and then really wanting to talk to the churches the civic lee about divestment so each church can start to look at how can they work with their denomination on divesting yeah that's one of the reasons why a three fifty locally has endorsed wa and the attempt to get a amendment to the constitution that would name that corporations are not people as long as we still have this on the books that corporations are given the legal standing of people then the amount of money that they're pouring into politics is just controlling politics and they're also doing things like you know the all the oil trains that have that have started going that i was showing how dangerous they were you know they didn't ask anybody the regulations had never for seeing a possibility of a shipping explosive gases on rio they just started doing it you know because they're corporations and they kind of rule right now and the politicians are all looking around at each other right now like oh oh dear like this really scares me this is you know and i feel like they're looking around to see where the grown up in the room is you know they're thinking some grown up somewhere is going to come in and say you know don't do this and apparently we're going to have to be the grown ups in the room and you know we're going to have to like put enough pressure on governor inslee that he call more try him and he does have the power he could do  it but he's going to have to feel public pressure to do it he's not going to you know have all the oil companies gunning for him if he just takes that action by himself he has to a least be able to say you know there was a mass uprising of people demanding this so yeah yeah i think this kind of goes back to the previous gentleman's question i mean the oil companies have the money so not surprisingly they give the big salaries and this sort of thing noticed that we could have engineers working on any number of problems having to do with passive solar design making more integrated design in buildings  working on the alternative energies applications to other things but that it's completely underfunded you know we're giving the subsidies still to oil and coal and we're not giving the subsidies to really the development of alternatives and we were pouring money into the development of alternatives that would absolutely be well paying jobs for bright minds to be figuring these things out so we're still working in that disadvantage of having the corporations having all the power and and being motivated by their own profit yeah there's an interesting survey irony too for me around the fact that the military in doing their kind of planning it sees these problems and then starts working on alternative solutions like they actually recognize that it would be a military disaster for them to not be able to have a sustainable way of supporting the troops so you know they're starting to move in that direction and yet they're not going to be very public about it because they're not going to undermine the powers that be in our country they're not going to undermine the oil and coal companies so there's most are quietly doing it off there on the side i think we have to give up the notion that the next generation will be the ones to solve the problem because i think that is a way that we as adults sort of stop taking responsibility for the situation the reality is that everyone in this room will be affected by climate change and so you know it's our it's our future too it's our old age it's what life is going to look like in the next two decades and and so you know we we have to start taking pretty radical actions i mean the reason i was using the world war two analogy is because that was a radical transformation of what people's lifestyle was like and and and we are going to have to get radical you know that is the really interesting thing about climate change you can't buy your way out i mean you know nucular war people made their little you know shelters and their home and stuff there was this fantasy that you could buy a solution out of whole cost and there's no solution out of climate change you know there won't be a corner of the earth that won't be too hot they're there they're just isn't a way to have your little safe corner and he certainly by being president has access to a lot of information the rest of us don't have access to i think he's very clear about the dangers and what his children's lifetime will look like so i'm not saying that he won't say yes to it i think there's a very high possibility he will because his actions have been so flip floppy and you know he does he says yes to one thing in no to the next thing and he's gone back and forth on this so frankly to me it's a flip of a coin right now whether he'll say yes or no but your question was what might possibly motivate him to say no to it and i think it would be a what he knows himself and his two daughters it will also be a mass movement i mean he will have to say  i couldn't i couldn't say yes the people rising up in the streets i could say yes and he has actually hinted and looted to that in various speeches before he he has sort of said make me saying no you know so i mean that is why the pledge of resistance is there you know we're trying to give him the backing to say no now whether he'll take the backing i don't know but we're trying  no it's before he makes the decision it's in a very short window where he's like he said he can't make the decision today he has to wait for the the environmental comment period to be over so it's in the very short window after when he can act and before he does so there may be actually a week where there will just be civil disobedience happening every day in various cities and watch for it this week because there are going to be three actions this week in reaction to last friday course the media's affray good at covering this so you may actually have to google it in order to find it but there will be three actions this w that i would google something like pledge of resistance action or you know the date i don't know i have i don't know yet if we'll put it up on the website that's maybe a good idea that we should put that up there join amaze he talks about three ways we make the great turning and and the great turning is her way of talking about coming coming back to a place of health says one of them is band aid actions those are the actions we take to stop coal trains and oil trains and whatever the new newest form of destroying life is the other is alternative alternative institutions so you know when you start a company that's making windmills or something you're making an alternative institution and the other is a new vision you know where we figure out and we see you know what are the ways we can do things we come up with new ideas e and she says we have to have all three and i think that one of the great killers in movements as we wind up arguing about you know oh we should do this instead of that or this is the way to do it now is not the way to do it and and we sort of tara to each other well where being upset about the oppressive society and the ways in which things are being made into a mass so you know i i just say choose you know choose what will get you moving and do one of them because we do need some more elbows in there this morning the idea of giving up was not enough i would shatter three vertebrae and i couldn't move the idea into my body so the idea of having a backbone is an idea of moving values and vision and we cannot shy away from these moments and these are your front line troops this is love in their hearts but please strong so let's hear from them what they did today we have had numerous presentations for community members we tend presentations at western washington university about t t c we had articles in the local paper we have had letter writing