bellmen you are not dreaming it's really true i'm activist angel and i've come out of retirement to guest host this episode of truth versus news and for two exciting reasons one is that we are winning i don't know how many of you out there have noticed but for all of you who have spent all this time turning off your friends and family by the red light went off turning off your friends and family by being a conspiracy theorist i would like you to reach around the pats yourself on the back because we're winning i don't know if you've noticed but the war mongers are not getting their little false flags it's not working they're trying to start wars all over the planet and everyone on the internet is saying what you're saying is not true we don't believe you anymore so that's the first one the second one is that amazing man james fetzer has been on this program a few times and i went to the producer don and i said i would really like t interview james because i'm one of his biggest fans so stick around we're going to have a great show and a great interview with james fetzer of veterans today dot com and you're going to love it and i want to talk to a little bit about alternative media in veterans today dot com specifically before we get into some of your amazing scholarship and i'm curious i tried to google i even went to wikipedia i couldn't find a wiki pedia page for veterans that are common and i couldn't find any st on the wording was how many hits to veterans today dot com and i couldn't find it anywhere do you know any stats about the viewership of veterans today dot com well it's pretty substantial activist though i'm not in the count department an excellent person on this would be stu weber gordon duff aha they're both experts on it but the fact is that i wake up pedia is an awful lot of people don't realize that years ago when i as the founder of scholars for nine eleven correct their history about the nine eleven truth movement i repeatedly was rebuffed by an editor for four or five times i thought to make corrections and i finally in the chat box said you're not going to let me correct when he said no we just flat out said though just no and then years later i found that my entry which was rather substantial had been altered in ways that really distorted my research on j f k nine eleven twelve stone and other issues but it was nothing comparable to what happened just this past year when after participating in the academic freedom conference are there limits to inquiry j f k nine eleven  after it was unbelievable how it had been simply savage nice you're not the only truth or that we that talks about what happens with wikipedia it's a pretty clever operation to to supplant something like encyclopedia britannica and make it so that it can be controlled in information using or well as a instruction manual seems to be the order today speaking about that i'm curious about your take on the recent changes what i call sabotage to the format of veterans today dot com i'm not happy with it at longer have function in you tube because the way in which the you tubes were entered into the articles in the past differs from the way you tubes are entered into the articles today so periodically if i'm aware that one of my older a is going to get a lot i have thought i will have to go back and re of the youtube links so make them functional that's been the biggest pain for me i could go into the ways that i think that it was a deliberate sabotage the  lost was hot we lost the top ten we lost the easy way of finding editors on my mac and i checked my friend's p c it's not the same but on my mac in the comments section the last thirty percent goes into that horrible flag background and you can no longer read all of the comments at least so it's not formatted probably for mac i hate the way it switches things in the beginning and when you scroll down lisa my mac you get to the editors and all the sudden start scrolling through them and i don't like the the format i mean it doesn't come up right away with with good stuff it's not placed in in the frame properly cell i'd be interested to know i was i was just just a comment on those actually it's been rearranged but you can still find the top jam i mean i'm on one of the pages now in the writing and column you can you can click on the top ten and you'll get them and if you scroll to the bottom of the page you'll still get the top fifty but something that's annoyed me tremendously is the amount of advertising i find on better and so they today now there seems to be a big difference between my i back and my laptop because the advertising on my laptop is just ubiquitous i can't go anywhere with being out and c bunch of ads so i may have hit with some kind the advertising app that is you know subverting my use of the laptop i don't find that on the i mac because i'm a big macintosh to my next question on veterans today because i've heard rumors that it's either the most of one of the most widely read or viewed veterans publications in the world you know anything like that well i would put it this way it has to be among the most influential of the online journals where our garden for example and others who are very much aware of this i'm told the half of our readers are in the pentagon for example yeah at the n s a i mean they want to keep track because we're very much cutting edge about developments as to what's going on in the world and covert ops false flags on the lie absolutely and how does it work i've noticed that you have a quite a diverse group i mean there will be you and gordon and preston and kevin and then they'll be like that and i remember and so shrimpton guy or some like that almost saying the exact opposite of what you said how what's the process for somebody becoming an editor and are they just trying to give divergent viewpoints tell me a little bit about that well i mean we're like individual contractors you know it's very much like being a member of a faculty i mean you're hired on and it does it you will basis and how good a faculty you have depends upon the precise combination i have for some time been concerned about michael shrimpton because i think i mean his articles were more or misleading and false information than they were a little bit  inaccurate so you have some differences within the family but i take responsibility for my articles kevin for his pressed and various and so forth and then gordon and others jim dean especially oversee all the articles we sort of have a stand off because sometimes he has a certain style of formatting that i don't particularly care for but you know on the whole i think it does a good job and many of his own a es are actually very current about events in the middle east especially oh my goodness and i you know i said in the in the teaser in the beginning that i think we're winning i think the good guys are winning we've seen so many of the attempted false flags around the world shut down by the internet i mean everything from the shah's alleged chemical attack that syrian nonuse that in software to show that the kids were all in the they were the same kids used by different shots to the downing of airliners to whether there's tanks and russia i mean the warlord media keeps making these claims and people like you and the tea and and other alternative websites are out there you know saying that's not true and you know the word false flag on the fox television doesn't do you feel like you're part of a do you feel like a change like things are moving in a good directions as far as truth is concerned well for the time being activist but you know the pentagon and d h ass are very concerned about the internet they'd like to clamp down it's one of the signs of encroaching fascism here in the united states we used to have real freedom of thought freedom of expression freedom of the prasad but today the mainstream media has been co opted there are five or six corporations that control of about ninety percent of the information the public receives including all the major networks a even fox which i believe is actually officially registered as an entertainment channel rather than a news channel which is the reason they can display a greater shall we say creativity with regard to that if we would watch out for banks and corporations we'd wake up homeless on the continent our fathers conquered and it seems like we're doing that so many questions that that kind of leads me into one that i would really like to talk about because there are a lot of alternative sites out there benjamin fulford and w a two part question like preston james you read his article his secret space war articles and it's really filled with his religious filter and some of the sites that we see out there are saying things like if you really look deeply there is a renaissance or we're even being helped i mean articles like the tall whites are helping putin and and we're being cleansed of our cons i mean what's your take on whether or not there's a movement either a white dragon or a positive military or positive pentagon or even a positive presence stepping in to help us do you believe that well well preston happens to be a good friend of mine and when i read his articles i typically call him of and tell him how much i enjoyed it except for the easy part i feel i've really myself not and that there are others who are much better positioned but i've been  skeptic a long time skeptic about not that we may have been visited but the very idea that there could be some kind of involvement or a common engagement not i don't happen to believe that really interesting i always wondered about that because it's not something that you talk about too much but dup core gordon does you know he's got he's got comments about it so what about dr greer in the disclosure project and the you know john podesta having written the forward for the book about so forth and i had a stack of books that was about three feet high but i became diverted by whatever was the then most current a vamp that had rather transcendent importance and i never pursued it i do think the disclosure project is extremely interesting and i'm certainly not going to present myself as in the position to refute or to die what they have to say so you know for me it's an area where i feel i simply haven't done enough to be able to make observations or reports with a high enough degree of confidence to make my opinion about them worth saying that ok that's interesting and so  because you are a former marine corps officer and you and you like everyone else in the world our goal is peace on earth it's interesting to me because the take of the people like the disclosure project is that this extra constitutionality that's allowed these false flags in the boston bombing which is covered in the sandy hook which you covered and and nine eleven and j f k that that extra constitutionality was basically put in place because of the decision not to tell the public about the reality of extraterrestrial visitation and that it almost is more at the root of things than say the you know gladio new american century project that we call nine eleven well that's a very interesting suggestion activist i mean the government of lying about so much faking the mood landis deceiving us about j f k a you know nine eleven was there a combined op of the cia the n it all i would probably be skeptical of my own conclusion and that leads me to another question i'm so excited be talking to you because i really you're one of my heroes i think you provide you and and the others events today and the truth tellers provide the real service that protects the constitution that i swore to protect and defend as well and that leads me to let's say you're you're preaching to the choir like me you know i have read all your stuff i'm you know i've read search the sandy hoax on the boston bombing which makes me so sad with the show trial going on right now and everything and the truth behind things and you know i actually knew bill cooper when i was a teenager and have been involved in this process for a long time so let's you've got somebody like me who knows who really sees that there isn't anything you can trust out of the corporate world media not a single thing and i look at myself and i realize i'm a person like you of exceptional courage to be honest and i still get frightened by the amount that we are lied to and i wonder if i've often wondered if veterans today what have like a page that would say what you can do or here's the good news or or guiding us toward perhaps  alternative energy would be a great one because you know i do believe that there are energy technologies being suppressed and that our goal of having no war is would be a lot closer to fulfillment if we made all alike salt you know every ever that book turn oil into salt because these have wars over salt because it was how you you know preserve your meat but now if oil became meaningless because of alternative energy technologies that would pull the bottom out of the war machine so i've often wondered about the tea perhaps having at least some part of it that was like a good news or what you can do or how you can be having contributed maybe from editors like you an article on you know here's a congressman you can call here's a petition you can sign if you think those things are valuable or you know get solar panels get what do you think about what we can actually accomplish or do to make a difference rather than just the poor people out there who get terrified when they look closely at these issues well you're talking about the difference between research and journalism and activism and seeking solutions you know i have felt our primary responsibility is to ferret out the truth now that difficult and challenging task all by itself and if we're able to do that i have great confidence in the people figuring out what to do but for the most part they're in a frozen in place because they don't know themselves in a state on certainty and therefore paralyzed with regard to taking responsible action they don't know what action would be appropriate because they don't know what beliefs are true and i love in your curriculum detail you talk having written on cognitive science and evolution and mentality and it makes me want to because i'm fascinated by the psychology of the alternative theories what i call conspiracy real ism and you want to me to ask you about conspiracy theories and i mean that that weapon term that's been created but i'm really fascinated at the psychology of people that say i don't want to know it's too much for me and how that can be gotten past you have any thoughts on that well my work in the areas of  computer science artificial intelligence and cognitive science has more to do with the distinction between minds and machines and whether we can have an animate machines are capable of thought thinking things modeled on mentality from its primitive origins through animal buying deprived my mind to the higher primates such as the mountain gorillas the human human mentality where i've developed a theory of the nature of mind based upon charles s pearse theory of signs according to what it is to have a mind is to be able to use saw minds which were signs are things that can stand for other things properly understood and developed has application across all species that are capable of mentality where you find the lower forms of mentality associated with lower species on the evolutionary chain and more complex forms of mentality higher up on the evolutionary chain but i must say that's very different than the area of applied psychology are sorting out the cognitive dissonance phenomenon that takes so many americans are incapable of appreciating the truth even when it's presented to them for the reason that in the case of nine eleven for example they are so committed they believe that the government is there to protect and nurture us and the very idea that it would sacrifice the lives of say some three thousand american citizens to promote a political agenda is so old threatening that they can't believe it i draw the parallel with a  evidence that her husband is what the last thing their daughter she's so traumatized by the very thought that she's a precedent when the truth emerges years later she's capable of explaining why she didn't do something about it this a very widespread phenomenon activists that it has very much in him but are the american people from appreciating the truth where of course needless to say false beliefs are being reinforced on every side by the major media up to and including the you know our in new york times which as you well know is our nation's newspaper of record meaning it records the official history of the united states but it is as much under the control of the cia and zionist elements as are other more obvious cases around the country and once we once we learn that that's the case once we wake up or those of us that do are willing to  becomes a matter of retaining our our ability to you know don got a phone call retaining our ability to stay centered work toward change remember  socrates quote says the secret of change is to focus your energy not on fighting the old him but on building the new and that's why in these years i've left the most of the truth movement to support my personal story and work toward promoting the alternative energies that have been suppressed and local food production and alternative currencies mike my take is that this titanic is sinking and our hope is that we can build some lifeboats and that would be by bringing communities together to start taking advantage of the  amazing productivity that we've developed over the last hundred years that's being scraped off by the giant banks and corporations that jefferson warned us about and i certainly appreciate the thought it's obvious that the fan which was passed in the dead of night by congress and didn't even have a quorum present back in one thousand and thirteen is at a devastating effect upon our financial system lord rothschild said you know if you allow me to control of a country's currency i care not who who governs because it gives him such vast influence the reason i wanted to talk about the phrase conspiracy theory by the way activist is it was a very clever move by the  to shift the burden of proof from from the government for example to those who are critics of the government because we aren't really good spirits it dearest in the sense of trying to create a theory out of  we are critics of the government's account and poking holes in it testing it by the methodology of false supplication which is true for example with the j f k assassination so many claims were made about le fundamentally at heart critics of government accounts that aren't jetted to mislead the people because they're far removed from the truth i'm fascinated by your use of the word government here and it's something because i'm a wordsmith i'm a writer and a songwriter and i'm interested in in verbiage and how much you're a linguistic programming how much that affects people and i've noticed that what i think has happened is that the with the with the fed who and and the takeover by the transnationals these entities that are not the bank of america is not american exxon is an american and it's the banks and corporations that have grown up and are are conquering us by ways that are more dangerous than standing armies to quote thomas jefferson and it was the government that was set up as a constitutional government that was the only democratic for oil for these amazing powerful institutions like the east india company that we fought the revolution against and and monopolized power so i almost think sometimes when i hear people rail against the government i want to say you know it's the bandits that have taken over the house that we don't like not the house itself it's supposed to be a structure the does provide shelter and does provide safety from bandits they've just managed to step in and take it what do you think well i think there's a great deal of merit in the points you just made if you look back on recent american history even is ringing us this transpacific partnership agreement that is going to further diminish the ability of the manufacturing an industry in the united states to maintain the profit margin i mean when ross perot said that giant sucking sound was all those jobs of moving south yeah did exactly right he was speaking the truth and my understanding is withdrawal from politics was because he hadn't the members of his family were threatened with the loss of their life if he kept speaking out about the truth this is just terrible activists and it should be the case do you think i keep seeing so many great examples of things being stopped and you know they tried to blame the shooting down of the airliner on russia on the entire internet including you said a pile of baby and chemical assad crossed a red line you know and all of the warmongering papers were saying obama just got to go bombing got to happen and then the the british parliament said voted against cameron and he wept openly because he didn't get his war and they didn't get to go bomb syria and now they're manufacturing eisel and you know and but the truth is coming out so much in publications like yours and in articles yours and i wonder do you think that they'll get that t p p through are they really going to allow corporations to be able to sue municipalities if their laws protecting the environment prevent them from making money are they going to i think we're major threat to the well being of the american population they have granted immunity you know the created hysteria over say a ball ugh safely got immediately produced in a bowl of virus the whole thing there is still a bit manufactured but they actually passed the freedom of liability for the manufacturers so today if they put out a vaccine that killed tens or hundreds of thousands of americans or be no recourse through the courts of law i mean it's all those are very many serious threats out there and while i agree with you that there are some venues like veterans today that bring a very high proportion of truth i'd rate veterans so they close to ninety per cent is ther because of the accuracy truth of it stories it's not one hundred per cent but it's much higher than most other outlets and certainly overwhelmingly greater than the mass media nevertheless not everyone is taking advantage of that resource activists you are and therefore you are aware of the difference between the true of the false when we present the evidence that exposes that the ukrainian airliner wasn't shot down by the gas attack blamed on the saudi with the obama was going to use as a justification a lot of cruise missiles into syria the american people spoke out very forcefully against it it turned out of course that the gas attack didn't come from the rebels it appears to have been provided by saudi arabia through prince bandar but the whole business with our use of it seems to be a very elaborate charade headed to create hysteria in the american public to support a much more extensive project to take i'm out i mean obama has talked about thirty thousand troops for three years well this is absurd as a former marine corps officer i would say in syria so even though the presently united states is going blitz it is deceiving the american people i couldn't agree with you more and that makes me want to go back to your comment that a lot of people in the pentagon and in the n s a and f and even those agencies read veterans today and i want to believe and i want to know whether you're willing to whether you think this might be true that some of the things i've heard that there really is a shift going on in the consciousness of your peers and and the people in the pentagon with things like the the men from the u s s liberty finally saying screw you and your making me swear not to tell the truth on producing the day israel attacked america that and and other truths coming out is there a positive element within that elite system that would like to have some cover from us or some other reporter from encouragement i have received multiple reports that there is a growing awareness notice how the phrase the concept of a false flag attack has become a part of the common vernacular that certainly was not the cases recently of say two  i have been to a boy necessaries not twice the second time to give a keynote address set an international symposium on nine eleven truth and justice which was held in the national library of the republic of argentina now that's showing the degree of respect and interest in botha fide research and appreciation of what intellectuals continue to contribute to our understanding of these events that unparalleled here in the united states but where i came became a student of two false flag attacks in argentina one in nine hundred ninety two where the israelis blew off their own embassy it killed about two thousand people because the news wasn't spectacular enough they did it again two years later in one nine hundred ninety four they blew up the jewish community center and killed eighty four eighty five all in retaliation against argentina for cooperating with the ramp in the peaceful development of nuclear energy i have published on this several times including false flag attacks in argentina nine hundred ninety two nine hundred ninety four and when this was resurrected recently with a prosecutor being provided a phony brief attempting to implicate the president of argentina cristina kirshner in all of this and concealing the role of iran where he was murdered they might help or  up yeah another article is titled christine of argentina target of israeli faults like attacks oh but these are just recent cases nine eleven is the most spectacular of them all whether it was a mountain of proof that  was a prime mover behind love those changes in verbiage i think that they're way more important people think they are and that will help to galvanize the the jewish people to the fact that that the interests of that mafia are not their interests and i think that's you're so much fun and so knowledgeable i want to talk about some specific things but i really do want to get back to the fact that for instance the disclosure project when stephen in those four hundred high level military and corporate and industrial witnesses have come forward they've said the reason they've done it is not to tell us that they're here but to talk about how they got here because the energy technologies and the anti graft technologies would free us from the need to even claim we need nuclear energy which would end the need to be talking to iran about whether they need nuclear energy and would and the power given to these people on the sands over this anaerobic bacteria production stuff that they claim is fossil fuels and and free us you can imagine desalinating water is only energy intensive all you got to do is have enough energy you can pull all the water that's what i want in bloom the deserts back up again it's the end of the california drop it's the chance for people to have the green house in their backyard and grow food that's free of the aluminum stuff raining down on them and radiation and g so the solution the really the best solution absolutely is the freeing of these technologies and dr green is people's tell us that the reason they're coming forward isn't necessarily that they think everybody ought to know that their e t s they come for because they say you're not to believe us that they're tejpal of keeping a secret like limitless energy unless you understand the depth of the secrets that they're able to keep from us well activists i agree with a whole lot of that including the importance of tesla technology i do believe that the drought in california manufactures that are a bill ready to control the weather is being employed or deployed against the interests of the american people henry kissinger was once asked how they were going to manage to get all these americans into the pima camps and he's gave a simple one word answer food and in other words the idea is to dry up you know the great resources of agricultural production especially for example in southern california to drive the price of food up so that americans will willingly go to these camps surrendering all there are freedom and liberty for the sake of food i mean that's where oh task i'd like to go back to a point you made before because i think it was extraordinarily important namely this the jewish people need to understand that the policies of the government of israel especially the look could nixon benjamin netanyahu are manifestly not in their interests i think his speech before the congress israel is a nuclear nation to two hundred to six hundred of these little beauties under american foreign policy activists we can offer legally sound foreign aid to a country that doesn't declare nuclear weapons course is not pursuing nuclear weapons this whole business about the p five plus one negotiations in the senate getting upset about it isn't simply absurd all sixteen u s intel agencies senators is seemingly are ignorant of our own intelligence findings gobbling it up and wanting to increase sanctions on iran activists i can't tell you how profoundly corrupt that is and how much ignorance it reveals because the geneva accords the geneva conventions and one hundred forty nine made the punishment of any individual for a crime he or she had not come in to a violation of international law and the war crimes these sanctions we are imposing on a random like the sanctions we impose on a rack before it are war crimes violation of the geneva conventions of nineteen forty nine and we should have forty seven senators  so ignorant of international law they want to increase the magnitude of our complicity in war crimes on the iranian people loving nation that has attacked any other nation yet this activist and seventy seventy five i could be more i think that the revolution is going to come when they say the make solidarity earth what i think that means and it talks a good thing about henry kissinger is that we're going to take back our power individually if steven greer and if you've seen the movie thrive own little energy machines when the technology for food that is coming out like aquaponics has a way of growing fish and fresh food and a closed loop system that's sweeping hawaii and new zealand and australia i just i do want to share some of my hope with you because i produce our own energy and eventually we're going to break the back of that the monopoly that people now know about nobody knew about the fed ten years ago but they now know will break their back with alternative currency local currency i think well i appreciate all those thoughts activist the problem is that we are confronting the effects of several catastrophes still the b p calamity in the gulf of mexico my understanding is the linkage still continues to this day the effects of fluke ashima have been utterly catastrophic probably all hundred times more severe than cherno ball and it's destroying the pacific ocean up to and including even the plankton in the algae and when that happens as i'm sure you are aware as a student of evolution when you wipe out one level in the food chain all higher levels are destined for extinction and as christopher buzz we discovered when he did research on birth defects in fallujah although he believed they were consequences of depleted uranium he discovered in fact they were from enrich uranium for a whole new class of nuclear weapons the united states was the pulling in iraq in violation of international law so the united states has lost its moral standing in the world all these wars that are now lays have been vastly corrupting they've been that's really true i think i think the changes are more profound i think and according to sources that i really do trust and they're rather deep ones fukushima would have become would have destroyed the northern hemisphere if it weren't for intervention by friends that are not from this earth that's i actually but believe that to be true and i encourage you to maybe consider that there's more to all that stuff but i want to get into some specifics with you because i'm so excited about your incredible research on sandy hook and and the boston crisis actor event and i just i want to thank you and pass on the word to how big and and your colleagues that that their efforts are not going unnoticed by people and how grateful we are i almost if it weren't so such a deep subject i would be like to joke with you about you know what part of sandy hook you think is funny as gene rosen or wayne safety expert began his inquiries about sandy hook because he wanted to learn what it happened in order to advise other school districts as to what steps they could take to ensure it didn't happen to them and was just dumbfounded when the requests went unanswered is telephone calls were not replied and the next thing you knew there were two homicide agents from a local precinct on its front door in the gated community by using him that they were there on behalf of the connecticut state police and that if you continue to ask questions they would prosecute him that that was the wrong thing to say to what's going on among the questions he was asking about were some as innocuous as those who ordered the porta potties as we have footage of porta potties there we have all these name tags on lanyards we have a photograph from inside the fire department which is just about a half a mile from the school a boxes of a manual for the van it's twenty pages long remember those that saw nine jeanerette in the background of gene rosen say now everyone must check in that sounds very odd for a school shooting but as the manual explains they're having a rehearsal on the thirteenth and it says right in the manual everyone must check in it says right in the manual refreshments and restrooms will be provided so even something as innocuous as sending them information about the fire department down to the school was so clogged you could have got an ambulance through there up you'd want to do all the vehicles were point where we're parked going to toward the building even though do a driving instructor would require you to take a right turn around and then pull it facing away from the building there were no oil stains on the parking lot area of the school is it not in good form and it was americans for disability act requirements you don't have the blue and white painting you don't have the blue and white articles google it find out what's going on i have you here and i'm fascinated by again the psychology of this and i know yours is a little bit more academic your cognitive research but it is it possible with the kind of collusion that had to happen from all the way on the top down to the connecticut police and the administration and the government whatever their motives are i mean we we all we all know is it can you conceive of the truth actually coming out in some way that doesn't back these people in some sort of a corner where they try or do something worse well you have to understand that this was a long time in planning several years in planning sandy hook they created an artificial community so they could produce through this fake a van qadri of lobbyist anti gun lobbyist is that go out throughout the united states seemingly with impeccable credentials on the basis of the false claims that they had lost children at sandy hook the idea was to create this sandy hook advisory board which has ignored the mountain of evidence that it was simply a to we've got seven minutes left so i want to be sure and chat with you about seven following your boston bombing and your wonderful interview with the at with my at i just congratulations on that that's just a coup of journalism and you know i remember early on you know i followed it from the very beginning i remember when when we first heard her say that time alone you know getting out of the car and i have a couple thoughts on it i want to share i think carolyn himself stripped him self i think when he was going to give up he didn't want them to say oh he was reaching for a gun in his boxers right so that's my take i think he took his own clothes off so that when he came out they would have an excuse to say he had been reaching for something other than you know what was hanging well that's that's that's very interesting activist and you from the boston globe saying that a demonstration of control demonstrations going to bomb explosion is going to be set off during the marathon and that is for bomb squad activity is it going to happen in a minute and run the library two different tweets  about that because early on i remember when he first pled not guilty or whoever that was pled not guilty a couple of friends were in the courtroom and now nobody family or friends are allowed in there and they mention how he didn't look like talk or walk like  dzhokhar and that he had a heavy russian accent which dzhokhar didn't have and i wonder now that they're not having actual pictures of him whether or not that's even him in the courtroom or whether he can understand ever it is can understand english sure of classic form a charade what is so important about my interview with marette by the way and i appreciate your having noticed is that she pointed out that the camera would have a beard he had a beard before the marathon he had a beard after where we are wrapped explained that a woman working with the fans team by the name of charlotte told them that they knew the boys were innocent but that they were in the tremendous under tremendous pressure from the from the local authorities the f b i the department of justice running up to rock obama applying them guilty well this is such a disgusting betrayal of the principles of law that i have filed complaints against her with both the massachusetts bar and the california bar i'm not going to let this stand the activity is the train the american people and are obligations as an attorney are we going to are we going to be able to do are we going to be able to get the truth out to a point where so i mean in your in your  dreams if you were to if you were to stand what a few years from now and your efforts have been successful what's happened what i mean give me a give me a scenario if i if we wanted to paint the future that we want to have happen who comes forward and stops these people what note but to me it seems to me we may be forced to fight a second american revolution we know from the declaration of independence that when the government seizes the function to serve the interests of the people they have the right to rise up and change it and i'm terribly concerned that the whole reason for gun control and all that is are trying to prevent that they get it impossible for us to resist yeah the police tyranny of the united states i'm sorry to say that's the direction in which we appear to be heading and you know and so your efforts to tell us the truth are so that we're prepared for that or where you absolutely no doubt understand the situation you're in  know i mean i say to people when they come for our guns the time is come to use them i wish i could be you know an optimist about this activist and i believe a lot of your points about free energy if only we were allowed to yeah yeah absolutely go to amazon just check out james h vassar i've got twenty nine books now activists you should be up find out and i can't even tell you how much fun i've had talking to you how grateful i am to you and i i hope maybe we can do this again sometime and i watching and so you take care know