welcome back we're talking with bob or omar friend he's over in toronto at the moment we're talking with him but he's had a ten year rendezvous over and china more recently and he has a very real deep understanding of that country  from a very interesting perspective involved where we had an hour we're going to talk another hour about it and so forth and i asked you then what is the situation there and you said that it's getting pretty  familiar with the internet and all the technology i'm involved in that helps a lot with the getting the things i set up and everything and he is from china and he just made it  is that nobody has credit cards or anything there everything is done by cell phone everything all the negotiation you go and buy a pack of groceries is done on a cellphone everything is just on a cell phone over there that's is the attitude of the people in china or the communist party toward soviet russia with with their claims to having a marxist system there well they fish a policy they regret the official policies they regret the current russian government they think the current russian government in a sense is a real gentleman because it shouldn't exist because the communist party made a mistake they should have stood firm and it sort of the rectory thing yeah the soviets the soviets collapsed you know for economic reasons and plus we put them on their back by developing sparge water and so forth which japanese helped us finance  wanted but the military on the that so they couldn't keep up with that kind of spending and so on and so now the chinese us the opposite they have unlimited practically unlimited resources and so on so they're like what the soviets were on steroids because now they have the power now they have all the nd amik wherewithal to pursue their line and its agenda and this is this is what we didn't think of you know those  proposed operate and the development in chinese you know economic good and you know opening up the didn't consider didn't take into account we thought it would fundamentally change thinking pregnant time you and i've talked about there's over the decades by what we did in a time a qualitative transformation no you think in terms of what's going on in terms of extended consciousness and the will be able every minute that they not just from your cell phone but to the borough where you are and what part of the country all the public and cameras and public places and so on you know when peering there and camera sees  have the idea of representing the masses but it ends up there being a almost religious a gun cept acceptance of the idea of the exactly what it and and to preserve the most important is to preserve the jobs the prerogatives and the privileges or communism of the leadership everyone's behavior under control of the system the social credit system is a substitute for the legal system so what's the modern mainland chinese way oh develop the legal system all the interested in doing something for the underclasses of the world it is true the world is one of more or less feudalism and there would be two or three people living in the couch and we were all trained to be served in a historical context they were being trained how to be a loyal servant to the lord of the castle or to the king of the country or all these kind of things for a history that  history is a nightmare from which we're attempting to awaken and many of the thought patterns in the world now is that we may be at a time of a qualitative not a quantitative up the road of three hundred thousand years of our existence but we're at a point of qualitative liberation of the human society which is in the reach of us now and that they have that dream of a socialist dream of having universal justice for all busy so that we didn't have to all be like service on a feudal estate which is the lot that most people see their way in terms of a power elite there were all capitalists that had all the assets ownership in their own class and that kind of leadership is characteristic of the world now we've got a few people at the top of the world leadership and they have all the assets and they're being trained to be like service on a feudal estate in the minds of many and that it needs to be some sort of a qualitative transformation of liberating everybody and in order to do that you have to take a at the people who are living in the castle and that's part of the marxist reading of the world society as iraq that's called a that's called progressivism in the minds of a lot of what is called the left but that's not what happens in china all these years and so on have have amassed the families of the mass huge well now they'll say they want socialism for everybody else everything by ok so people well but the essential element is control a society can't be left to its own says we have to have micro managed control of every individual each party control kinds of things to german workers and gave them all kinds and social benefits on paper happen but this was national socialism ok and these people you know in terms of the  kind because everybody claiming that there's this great great wakening coming there's a great opportunity for coming to the end of two hundred thousand years of our existence but on the planet that's all along we've been here as a species and we're coming to the point where we got all this capability of extended consciousness in the form of technology  like that be i was a geographer and i like geography because you could be interested in everything and not be specialized in that sort of thing one of the one of the coterie of the lurkers learned societies and there's progress being made definitely in terms of understanding things but we live in the there was the pleistocene was a geologic era yeah it was about thirteen million years or so and then there came a day there came a great asteroid hit the yucatan it had been ruled by the toronto source rex and they were fairly and there was no warning evidence of anything human yet and they were wiped out and then we were introduced into the pleistocene and then the holocene was developed about seven or eight thousand years ago as a geologic now the world intellectual community is coming around now and they're saying that the mark of human and human act activity on the planet has become so pronounced used to be we were at the you know trying to source rex sort of eaten us or a crocodile or something or when we were in nature we were we were scrounging around as it were like under the feet of the large bees of war but now they've got it down to where they new era geologically that there's a major transformation taking place and it's interesting that we get to the point where the weapons that we've fought each other over the long haul have become species lethal well ok species lethal that is we have the ability now finally in our war in eleven the other and reale paula teak and so forth where we have the ability now in terms that exist already on hair trigger alert that if they were to be unleashed apparently from the modeling it's only modeling thank goodness but if there was to be an unleashing of the weapons that exists we used to have the bow and arrow and then we had a sword and we had all these kind of thing but now we've got these weapons systems thermal and nuclear and thermal nuclear and that if they were to be unleashed it would mean the end of the whole homo sa interesting part of the of the equation because we have an equally significant in the names of some of our for lots of us one of which would be buckminster fuller with the greatest man who ever did realize the implications of all the technological development is that we have the capability we've lived in a world where there were castles on the hill and the masses of people were served that's right and in that they were not able to have any public anything other than their loyalty to the lord ok the world still set up that way and the servers are in the people own and the people and all the ass that ownership of all the capability in the world and there's still the need to have we're still being trained to be served in terms of the way the world organized but work but he's also into its absurd conclusion and this would be a sideline in history but they were hard jacking all of this and all the technology to take it to this absurd conclusion this obsessive go on i'd like to know you know in terms of the world you know well this work is an issue where everyone outside of the communist party of iran security is agreed that the this there's a consensus in this country the vitals we are across the country that this threat is is that it that this china is existential and is that is that is  compared to china in terms of g d p they're connelly's like spain ok spain all right are they going to make it there if they have a lot of military technology and so on the chinese want to have all right and they provide energy to but they found something they found the one thing i could do was build hardware dewalt server to control the internet network around the world and wireless and what happened to mr i what happened to all the people that are involved in the internet facebook just go cisco systems ever heard of them of course of course it still is a big player now in the field because while we would be god forbid they would be able to disable have your watch by bob world friends if you got chapter and verse on who has control over the international economic intellectual object that is what was doing their growth has been built around a singular objective of controlling the network infrastructure of the internet well ok a lot of control the operating expense and they can control windows and control i was but they can control the hardware ok and that's what well we judge this while we would have been spyware chinese every company has to co opt the word with the chinese government in the matters of security and then widened after break the law what well that's right the engine and here come up with oh ok well that's really interesting and that will show this kind of a situation to people that will find it very very interesting don't you think well for sure as i say it's in the news every major economy as part of the real system you have to do it you have to be one or the other another work is to keep your political system guys fighting for control of the territory when i to say bobby have you thought about joining the presidential race for the president of this country so you could ever real power to force down the throats of anybody who would stand in your way no i proud i'm so proud proud to be a friend of yours and we go back so far and i don't want you to forget me when you get to the top of the world i want you to remember little ole me who could get you on television and gave you a leg show conversations with harold chan or it was the longest running talk show in television history not just in u s history how these mystery why my mother thought that you know not just said to tell me that every time i called her you know that was just to get if somebody like yourself really got them back into that but i'll tell you it's so good to be seeing you bob we got to get together do you ever get down to manhattan anymore or  we've got a couple of more little problems left right yeah right hell of an interesting world you know like that so good to talk to you now where am i going to see or what you're going to send me a bunch available to the whole wide world but by of all midnight tonight i will be it ok so when you two free of charge of manhattan neighborhood network and we're proud to be able to be with josie and we're doing all the work very making sure that everything is working out well and it will be open to the world to tune in to get the real story on the real story of the realities i are of the real story of the ages that we're beer together you're going to get everything do you understand the meaning of that yes all right good i think that's a good way for us to thank you for viewing conversations and there in that part of the world you know fire it was side work yeah offloads right cross or the spacing we used to go there to get a beer would it was only eighteen years old needed to get a beer good to see if i will