collapsed i'm sure that we have other evidence that they could have given a better indication at that crime that they were something else wrong in its report on world trade center seven which came out in may of two thousand and two team of documents in appendix c steel that has been melted and even partially evaporated resembling swiss cheese what are we to make of this my name is jeff air i have a ph d and material science and engineering from the university of minnesota i have a b a in physics from brigham young university i've worked with solid state reactions of work i thought was very well done and quite extensive is all documented by fema in penn dixie and their in their be pat report that was may of two thousand and two unfortunately it was never used in the nist report my name jason cheshire and i'm a licensed professional engineer in the province of ontario canada and i have been working in the field of harder metallurgy for the past ten years for a major company here in canada why is this forensic evidence not being included in the report first of all let's go back to your basic premise that there was no deal i know that absolutely no way no eyewitnesses said so nobody reduced it steel that was being dug go underground it was still so hot that molten metal dripped on the sides of a wall in the clean up was very difficult in the beginning steel was coming out right in certain areas in the first couple weeks just fused the element of steel my name is marcus e l i'm a chemical engineer i have a bachelor of science in chemical engineering from worcester polytechnic institute i've worked for about twenty five years in industry and the majority of what i do is analytical work  figuring out what materials are composed of why they are what they are why they do what they do there were sections of them that clearly showed melting they had sections that within the way and there were actually holes through them and some of the ends were just melted away or even possibly evaporated away i'm kathy my grade i have a bachelor's in metallurgical engineering from new mexico institute of mining in technology which i got in one nine hundred seventy nine i then spent the next thirty years  with three start up companies in an office fire you cannot generate enough heat to melt steel and yet we have evidence of  microspheres in the rubble pile and that the the metal whoring out of the side of the tower could have filled up the twin towers with jet fuel and burned it all up and that that does not cause a fire hot enough to melt structural steel my name is gary warner i'm a mechanical engineer i hold a professional certification program from the association of british columbia i worked a out of the south tower is indicative of molten irony i was a bit incredulous when i learned that nist claimed that the more metal was aluminum and it doesn't look at all like more than a little like iron and iron but it looks like and i've seen proof of it we used to cast the you know can they still cast it i spent two years casting i'm david greg i was masters and p h d in chemical engineering from the university of illinois afterwards i went to work for lawrence liberal laboratory where i worked there for more than a compound of iron oxide in aluminum which when ignited sustains an extreme heat reaction creating molten iron in just two seconds there might can reach temperatures over forty five hundred degrees fahrenheit quite enough to liquify steel we know that open air fires cannot burn hot enough to melt steel but metal had melted at the base of the towers the next question is how do you get how do you get the sulfur in these pieces of steel or or in the debris and and that question is is unanswered there's a version of thermite called on the world trade center steel the new york times called this the deepest mystery of oh so first slightly lower is the melting point of iron and iron oxide and iron southside and it just basically makes the steel melt at a lower temperature so instead of having to bring the steel up to fifteen hundred santa's grade you can slice through the material that's at nine hundred or a thousand degrees centigrade and if you do a search on google for a thermite and building demolition you can find all sorts of wonderful devices that have been fabricated and invented that used their might for building demolitions thermite is in the old fashioned thermo is a mixture of pulverized aluminum and in the military when they have a piece of artillery or a tank or something like that that they don't want to leave behind to the enemy they throw what are called grenades thermite grenades down the barrel lets say but thermite does not explode it simply reacts produces large amounts of heat and molten material in the case of thermite cutting charges you would have heard far less noise since they are work by thermal heating melting of the steel rather than explosive cutting as r d x charges marlin i have a degree in chemical engineering from clarkson university in one thousand nine hundred sixty three after graduating i served two years as a reserve officer in the us army corps of engineers where among other things i had training and explosive such as c four i was involved in the industrial chemical industry for twenty years with major companies there were reports of molten steel having been seen in the  in the rubble pile of all three buildings and i knew that jet fuel which is essentially kerosene is not capable of melting steel nor iron kerosene or jet fuel burns at less than sixteen hundred degrees fahrenheit and molten steel needs at least twenty seven hundred degrees fahrenheit  order to melt thing that most struck me about you know eleven incident was following the incident how overflights had detected with infrared cameras fourteen hundred degree fahrenheit hot spots on the surface of ground zero and that being there for a week you know indicates that there was something very hot going on below the surface does this tell us about the temperatures generated in the towers destruction my name is i don't care and i have a bachelor's degree in chemical engineering from queens university i've been working for an environmental consultant erm for a number of years when the u s g s collected samples of the world trade center dust they found the iron microspheres and so far the u s g s does not have a valid explanation for the presence of these iron michaels for years and i have independently seen third medic activity within two separate independent samples of world trade center dust i'm jury lobdell i'm a retired physicist and chemical engineer i have a in chemical engineering from texas tech and i have extensive coursework in mathematics and physics from the university of texas at austin i have had broad experience in analysis and applied research thirty year professional history spanning physics chemical engineering statistical analysis and modeling and operations research so what do the microspheres contain iron is the of the dust blown out of the buildings during collapse no matter where in manhattan the that dust is picked up you must have had a much hotter heat source for you to get twenty seven hundred degrees fahrenheit in order to  the steel melt the iron to get these are these fears fears your heat source must be something like a chemical reaction and exit from a chemical reaction that reacts in the case of thermite reacts at forty five hundred degrees fahrenheit my contention based on finding thermite residue in the dust is that it happened before it didn't happen after in there in the fires that ensued in the rubble pile afterwards it's all the characteristics of the microspheres along with what i see in the attack of the the beams that were actually found tell me that thermite was involved in melting that those  out of the ashes of the world trade center devastation rises the freedom tower this foundation however the shrouded in question for example in the world trade center dean chemistry and i'm associate professor at the university of copenhagen and i have been so for almost forty years i have published close to sixty peer reviewed papers in the best which have different properties is most importantly is there still acting some of them and in the reaction they produce which is the prime indication of the media reaction and such a reaction can be used to destroy steel structures what we have found a martin version of thermite which we call nano thermite which is produced in a different way it is not just to how does being mixed the material is actually built from thin plate let's about forty nanometers thick it is the small size of the particles involved in this material that kick allow us to characterize it as nano  in ordinary thermite the particle size is much larger and hence ordinary thermite is an incendiary whereas as the particle size becomes smaller and smaller it can become explosive and explosive we do have descriptions from the the livermore national laboratory in particular of how they fabricated this material is to fabricate it is not so easy this is discussed in our paper in the open chemical physics journal published in april of two thousand and nine so far none of these papers have been refuted in the literature the scientific literature so that means they are  challenged in the scientific sense they stand an indictment really of the official story of nine eleven one of the things i'd like to stress about these chips is that they really shouldn't be there they're not unnatural forms agglomeration of aluminum from the aircraft or materials that were in the building and iron oxide that got knocked off it isn't just a haphazard bringing together of iron oxide and aluminum which is the basic components of thermite this is a material that is made up of nano sized particles that are all very uniform very symmetrical the formulation of the great  here and our whole society is being led to believe that these fundamental laws of physics hard science don't apply anymore i think that she really frightened all of us  just all the other evidence of seeing flashes and explosions in the melted metal and the dust particles and with the chemical explosive chemicals found in the in the debris there's just a lot of questions about what's been going on and that these questions have not been answered were even addressed in any sort of full way my name is rick folks i'm a structural engineer with over forty years experience in engineering i'm a president of my own engineering business here in arizona since one thousand nine hundred three prior to that i was a vice president was prominent engineering firms in the phoenix area i have experience designing large structures including power plant structures shopping center structures schools commercial buildings  you name it i know structural design and i know that on september eleventh when i saw those twin towers coming down i knew there had to be more to the story than just a fire because in those failures that had to be a  demolition that we were witnessing the government has lied to us and we need to get to the truth those victims deserve the truth they deserve justice what we have right now is a travesty of justice a freedom of information act request and this by a registered structural implies that anybody who requests or demands these calculations is a threat to public safety science is never secret when it's done  science is a way of finding out that is self correcting and vols many people science isn't science unless it's published unless it's openly published and made available for criticism the thing that's most important about science is that it's a way of knowing it's a way of knowing that anyone can participate in at the end of any kind of science activity people will agree that they have collected evidence that  hypothesis and if the evidence is contradictory to the hypothesis you have to have one has to abandon that hypothesis and look for another one the explanations from fema and from nist don't add up but there is enormous circumstantial evidence circumstantial and actually physical evidence as well that would lead us to a different conclusion and the conclusion is controlled demolition it was reframed that after the evidence that they could have given a better indication that the crowing that they were from thing else wrong any honest investigators would be looking at this and looking for explosives and so forth honest investigation didn't go there they just would not look for explosives there have been explosives found in the dust and the debris but this has been the work of independent research was not noticed and that the physical chemistry of everything that i wrote about is consistent with no other hypothesis and all the testimony of eyewitnesses all of the video evidence supports only control  demolition has the cause of all three world trade center buildings destruction you have to be a chemical engineer to question that official story is very very obvious both building seven and the towers were blowing up major structures that have been designed to withstand what you experienced that i had gained in the military and as an the american society of civil engineers to ignore those events is extremely disturbing and is a violation in my opinion the professional code of ethics the only thing that you can been an orchestrated cover so the preconceived notion of this is that there's no evidence for explosives and so there's no point in looking that is the most unscientific thing that you can possibly think of not to look because then you don't expect to find evidence and in fact the evidence is overwhelming they state these conclusions for which there's virtually no evidence and then they you know are conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence it is my opinion as a former twelve combat engineer well trained in the use of explosives that this building all three buildings were brought down as controlled as a result of controlled demolitions elevator company personnel had twenty four seven access to the sheriff which is normal time and he even in early morning hours when they performed their maintenance and of course their access to the elevator shaft gave them coal access to the surrounding core columns the interior of the port it took some kind of consciousness raising on my part before i was willing to look at the possibilities and really you need to go where the evidence leads we know we've been lied to about nine eleven we don't know for sure who did it we don't know exactly how they did everything and that's why we need a new investigation to find out but in the meantime there are things we do now we do know that there was a massive cover up that there was evidence hidden and destroyed and given the what remedy did these professionals recommend remaining explosives that firefighter should i live in truth that's what we're asking for as we're asking for an investigation that follows national standards i'm jodi gibbs was licensed for a general building and heavy construction as well as architecture over thirty five years ago i was educated at yale university the harvard graduate school of design the yale graduate school of art in architecture and i taught at mit as an adjunct faculty for a number of years in the graduate school of architecture my reasons for looking and demanding and urging people to see that we get a judicial investigation are really very simple no highrise steel structure has ever been destroyed by a fire in the history of construction we have eyewitness testimony of firemen policemen news reporters and occupants of the building two explosions and enormous number of eyewitness testimonies fourth the buildings fall at a speed which can only occur if the structure has been removed the vertical structure large melted ton beams were hurled hundreds of yards laterally gravity works vertically not laterally we also now have the evidence of thermite in thermite explosives most of these things were not even mentioned in the nine eleven commission report it's for this reason i urge all architects and engineers to look into the matter look at the evidence that is available and sign on to the demands of architects and engineers for nine eleven truth in demanding that we get a judicial investigation i sanded the petition for architects and engineers for nine eleven truth because i felt it was an organization trying to get it at the truth of what in fact actually happened what brought those buildings down so what i'm looking for is is a new investigation where all of the original information and tests and hypotheses are reexamined as well as the ones that have surfaced since the new ones including the allegations of controlled demolition i don't think any of us are pointing fingers at this time we're just saying let's reopen it let's look at objective let's look at the evidence not these fabricated computer models and hearsay and all these pre determined conclusions let's really open it up again and investigate this thing properly and then come to conclusions in my thirty seven years of experience as a structural engineer i've never seen modes of failure such as or been exhibited in the case of these buildings and that's why i feel that we need a new independent investigation to explain the destruction of these three buildings i strongly support a an independent investigation into what actually occurred there are many problems and in fact as a forensic engineer i can tell you that unfortunately the government has destroyed much of the evidence so we could do an appropriate investigation and i've asked investigation could be done that would be independent of the government independent of all of the influences that obviously were in effect during the  investigation based on that didn't surveil will i feel that we must demand a new investigation into the destruction of the world trade center towers and nist itself we need to have an investigation in this themselves i believe that the reports that came out are not true i believe there's a lot of and a lot of information i was amended blatantly or or otherwise i wrongly fear that an international community we have a professional responsibility and i reach every engineer and architect and demolitions expert and anybody that has any knowledge in this field to examine the evidence and stand up and become because the rest of the world is depending on us i would like to see a real investigation i'd like to see i'd like to see people on the inside who really know what their what happened i'd like to see some of those come out there are some very good scientists i'm sure noticed and their life's work is getting distorted and used for political purposes what happened on nine eleven is not something that is just going to go away this is very pertinent to us today i wish to further the investigation and i want to make a difference because i want this to be a safe and better place for my children i signed the petition on the architect and engineers nine eleven truth website mainly because i wanted to stand behind the families that lost people on nine eleven the nine eleven truth movement was started by the families that lost loved ones on that day and they were all out there alone screaming for help and our own country was ignoring them and knowing their needs and taking care of them the way we should have after that happened we have not been told the truth we deserve the truth and sort of the victims we need to come together again as a country i believe that this one a vet split our country in half and the only way we're going to come back together is to reopen wound talk about this in an open dialogue most of us who have lived with the events of nine eleven have as a result experienced some kind of drama that can be very difficult to come to terms with what actually happened at the world trade center in fact someone told me recently i wouldn't believe what you're telling me even if it were true our petition signers with psychological expertise have stepped forward to offer their insight while this segment is clearly outside the knowledge base of the architects and engineers for nine eleven truth these experts in psychology highlight their valuable experience for us as to why this evidence can still be so difficult for people to accept at this point we have nine years of hard scientific evidence that disproves the government theory about what happened on september eleventh and yet people continue to be either oblivious to the fact that this information exists or completely resistant to looking at this information so the question becomes why why is it that people have so much trouble hearing this information from my work i think we would be remiss not to look at the impact of trauma my name is marty hopper and i'm a ph d clinical psychologist i have been working and living for the past thirty years here in boulder colorado for the past eleven years my work has focused on helping people who have the experience personal trauma now as we know the horrors of what happened on nine eleven were televised all over the world and they were televised in fact and we witnessed the deaths of almost three thousand of our fellow americans we know this had a very severe and traumatic impact on a large majority of the population i myself cried for weeks after september eleventh a friend of mine who is a psychologist in practice here in boulder said that her caseload increased tremendously after nine eleven and people that she hadn't seen in ten years were coming back into her practice so i think it's safe to say that collectively as a nation because of what happened on september eleventh we experienced trauma i'm french sure and i have a master's degree from the university of colorado i have had a private practice as a psycho therapist and as a licensed professional counselor for about twenty years why do people resist this information the information that shows that the official story about nine eleven cannot be true what i've learned is that as humans each of us have a worldview and that worldview is usually formed in great part by the culture we grow up in when we hear information that contradicts our world view social psychologists call the result the resulting in security cognitive dissonance for example with nine eleven we have one cognition which is what our officials what the official story of nine eleven what our government told us what our media media repeated to us over and over that nineteen muslims attacked us on the other hand we have what scientists researchers architects engineers are now beginning to tell us which is that there is evidence that shows that the official story cannot be true so now we've lost our sense of security we are starting to feel vulnerable now or confused nine eleven truth challenges some of our most fundamental beliefs about our government and about our country when your beliefs are challenged or when to beliefs are inconsistent content of dissonance is created nine eleven truth challenges the beliefs that our country protects us and keeps us safe and and that america is the good guy my name is bob harper and i have a ph d in clinical psychology from the university of cincinnati for the past twenty nine years i've been a licensed ph d clinical psychologist in boulder colorado when your beliefs are challenged fear and anxiety are created in response to there are psychological defenses kick in and they protect us from our from these emotions denial which is probably the most primitive  is the one most likely to kick in when our beliefs are challenged and then you do pray ph d we're originally from football and where i studied psychology and psychoanalysis for the past fifteen years i've been empowering people who have experience and if a control america is a powerful nation it has never been attacked we were confiden sudden that security collapsed people started to be fearful with all those rumors those news people didn't know what to think about and it's a very very uncomfortable state to be on and eventually our mind shots of just like when a computer is overloaded our minds get overloaded we can handle it anymore and we shut down it's easier to deny it and move on with our lives while some of us will tend to do is deny the evidence that's coming our way and stick to the original story the official story and to try to regain our new completely librium in that way another thing we can do is decide to look at the conflicting evidence and be sincere and be open minded and look at both sides of the issue and then make up our own mind about what reality is i'm dorothy lorica i have a master's degree in counseling psychology from the university of colorado and i've been practicing reevaluation counseling for over sixteen years if we can think of our worldview as being sort of our mental and emotional home i think all of us will do just about anything to defend our homes to defend our families and and so i see that with people and i saw that with myself and my brother tried to talk with me about it don't mess with me don't mess with my home don't mess with my comfort with how things how things are and about a week later i read a lengthy article by professor griffen about why he believes the official account of nine eleven cannot be true and it was a very well researched article and i was in my office at the time i sat there and i felt my stomach churning i thought maybe i was going to be sick and i leapt out of my chair and ran out the door and took a long walk around the block and around several blocks and just broke down and i understand now that what was happening was my world view about my government being in some way my protector almost like a parent had been dashed and it was like being cast out into the wilderness i think is the closest way to describe that feeling and and i saw and felt like the ground had completely disappeared beneath my feet and and i knew at some point during the walk that i knew that i was going to have to become active in educating other people about this that there was that for me to retain any sense of integrity i was going to have to take some action i couldn't just let something like this so many people respond to these truths in a very deep way some have a visceral reaction like they've been punched in the stomach to begin to accept the possibility that the government was involved it's like opening pandora's box if you open  little bit it's it's going to challenge some of your fundamental beliefs about the world here are a few of those obs those spontaneous initial reactions to hearing the contradictory evidence about nine eleven i don't want to know the truth or i become too negative and psychologically go downhill i'm not sure i want to know if this is true that up would be down and down would be up my life would never be the same fran i refuse to believe that that many americans could be that treasonous someone would have talked but these are beliefs they are not scientific facts but these beliefs do keep us from looking at the  five books in my field but then starting in two thousand and four i started publishing about nine eleven and since that time i have published ten books about nine eleven  called people who will simply say look at the evidence and if it's convincing i will change my mind other people are peer dig magic people they have a  paradigm they say this is the way the world works and i'm i'm convinced this is the right way the world works nine eleven doesn't fit into that paradigm so i don't need to look at the evidence matic and then there is a third type of person that we often call wishful thinkers i call it wishful and fearful thinking so they simply will not believe something that they fear to be the truth and i found maybe to be the most powerful factor of people rejecting nine eleven truth and not even entertaining the evidence so whenever we say i refuse to believe we can be sure that the evidence that's coming our way is not bearable and that it's going it's conflicting with our world view much too much denial protects people from this kind of anxiety as i thought about all of these responses i realize that what is common to every one of them is the emotion of fear people are afraid of being ostracized they're afraid of being alienated they're afraid of being shunned they're afraid of their lives being inconvenienced they'd have to change their lives they're afraid of being confused they're afraid of psychological to tear aeration they're afraid of feeling helpless and vulnerable and they're afraid that they won't be able to handle the feelings that are coming out and none of us want to feel helpless and vulnerable so we want to defend ourselves and the way we often do that is with anger so then we become angry and when we become angry then we become indignant we become offended we want to ridicule the messenger we want to pass the messenger and we want to censor the messenger so how can we overcome this resistance and denial the first thing is to meet people where they're at one thing is that we need to raise people where it is about this through what i would call gentle dialogue and gentle questioning my name is john freedom and i'm a counselor in private practice here in tucson arizona where you've been for the past twenty years i hold a master's level certification and would you neuro linguistic programming so do the work to challenge people who believe really tell them you know i know the truth about nine eleven would be good ways to ask questions and ask open ended questions and lead them into a dialogue and discussion about it healing comes through facing the truth experiencing it allowing the feelings to come in so that if there are feelings of fear that perhaps these events were caused by something we haven't thought about yet dark elements within our society for example we'll let that come in and explore it let the light shine on whatever happened this will be the most healing process the germans did this after their war the south africans did this after apartheid reconciliation through the truth is what is a deep past to psychological recovery from the nissen lives around which this historic event has been cloaked in the official view i am professor william woodward i am trained in the history of science with a ph d i also have a master's in experimental psychology i have edited four books and published well over twenty peer reviewed papers i taught to for thirty five years at a state university university of new hampshire so i think as a psychologist to overcome our fear of of the traumatic event with new information would be the best healthiest route to our collective recovery from the trauma of nine eleven that by the way is a psychotherapist insight that to gradually uncover the truth in your own life the source of anxiety to make them  conscious is the royal road to recovery one of the ways to deal with the trauma is to find the answers that's why i think it is such important to have a comprehensive investigation to work together to expose what happened regardless of where the evidence takes us that's what we expect in our state government law enforcement i think that by putting science together with the law we will have a psychological healing around the impossible cognition that has been produced on that day i believe that to be the kind of country that we think we are we have to face some of the things that are not as we think they are i'm robert griffin i'm a licensed psychologist practicing in pennsylvania for twenty five years i am a member of psychologists for social responsibility and i am past president of the northeastern pennsylvania psychological association after world war two the part of the way that jewish people honored the dead was by making sure that the truth was known and that the value of these people was respected not pursuing the truth about nine eleven disrespects the value of the life of people thinking that were above such things that it could happen in other countries but it couldn't happen here that's a lack of humility and that's excessive pride and so not being able to see our dark side or our weaknesses is the most dangerous thing the observation that pride is one of the basic human flaws is absolutely correct shape but luckily we don't have those problems we don't have leaders who would do those things that were done in the soviet union or done in germany or done in japan and on down the list so this is a type of pride that americans have a feature of american history that makes us particularly  liable to this pride is this notion that it's called exceptionalism that america is the exceptional nation and that began from the beginning as they as this country was formed people would say well there was so much evil in the european countries so much cheating so much  lying so much using the people for the rulers purposes but in america we have leaders that are free from those s so i think this has made nine eleven particularly difficult for americans anyone can make mistakes but our ideals or our principles get us back on track this is one of the defining issues of our time so we need to understand that question is is patriotic questioning is what we're supposed to do as citizens that's our duty when we come to the national level when something like nine eleven happens we need to be sure that we have a real investigation in to who the perpetrators are and we need to be sure that those perpetrators are held legally accountable it's part of the healing that these family members continue to endure along with the torment of their unanswered questions thing from right outside the philadelphia area and i'm a father of  killed in the lobby of the north tower went to time eleventh two thousand and one but i've been searching to get the truth is exactly what happened to bobby and bobby is a very interesting story bobby was one of the first ten bodies f we took him home that week we were one of the few well i finally found the doctor who examined him he gave me about one of the body and he described all the injuries he had but the fact is that all his injuries were in the face  some of his face his face was blown off base of cuts in his chest that is great or were blown off to me that means explosion it's my brother was my best friend david has always been a fire fighter my brother went in to save people's lives on a family member trying to find out the answers to the murder of three thousand plus people i'm jane policy know my husband steve was forty years old when he was killed on september eleventh i had no identification you know why is that and you sort of left with all these question marks which is harder to deal with than the pain of losing somebody in that way it seems to me we should know why over a thousand victims there are no trace for and no identification no trace of over a thousand victims just a few years ago they were still finding body parts on the roofs of buildings what is that we should know why there are over seven hundred bone fragments found on the top of deutsche bank building less than a half an inch long we should have that information why were they up there why weren't they found what kind of explosion was there and the explosions were brought up ready at times talking to firemen talking to the medics talking to everyone everybody talked about these explosions i want the officials that are in power to ask the questions i want answers we never had insists nobody ever stopped to have a scientific investigation please look at architects and engineers people all around the world scien well around the world are questioning this that these towers could not have come down but when you bring sides into the equation that's so important because you can't argue against solely it's and there's some deep deep explaining to do the bottom line is that it needs to be investigated properly the forensic evidence that you've seen is a very real new light has been show a third being now reaches into the pitch black sky stands in for the still officially unexplained freefall destruction of the world trade center building so the obvious dark truth about building seven may very well provide