hello welcome to another episode of the jazz talk thank you for joining us if you saw our last show we were talking to bases make it best and we had he so full of information and we had such a good time with him that we decided to do part t short history of like how bebop came to be but part of jazz came to being in well the big about there was shortly after the big band era because after world war two the bands got smaller and because they got smaller it left and so they you know like tunes like of how high the moon you know dizzy atmosphere and all the cost of the dizzy gillespie did were you know some of the things that they did i mean but it just because it left more space this left more room for solar but here again back in the late forty's and fifty's you only had three minutes at most to do record so you had to do what they used to do is just take each person would take two more is it take two courses in a piano player take course and then they take it out ok so the melody so they kept it within the tire parameters so don't you know if a song is over seven minutes it's not going to get any airplay on the stations because they need to him were music programming and so you know all those days were coltrane did all those long know so you know so but you know so that's why i had to be within those parameters and that was kind of essential but bebop itself you know it was you know they did standard tunes with different melodies and glee were very creative with that and you know so a part of the great american songbook was also really a part of the whole legacy in ed history because you know it's basically the standard tunes they came from basically to broadway shows and then you know they would put different melodies on those corporations and then you know would put put play their own original compositions that started happening more with a record label like blue note records who was  blue note started in one nine hundred thirty eight and a lot of the stuff musically happened in thirty eight because the history of jazz in the legacy of jazz and bebop was like a song heard around the world to the t goes back you know before that i mean when you look at the zoot suit there are a lot of people wearing suits suits that was a style that never caught on every one but that was a part of our black american culture hipsters addiction there oh so you know that that's why he would everybody would he was a hip cat all that kind of stuff came from that era or a few years ago people with would say give me five and they'd rather hand over each jargon that all came from that and that's basically the role of the stuff came from i was like i was when working on the doing a cartoon for you know for young black kids so that they know the whole cultural heritage in terms of  when i was a teenager we used to have a record clubs and we take our records to school and listen to the different jazz things and keep it up with the latest yesterday nobody does that kind of stuff anymore so that's you know that's what you know culture or the part of the the legacy you know to keep those kinds of things happening for you know our youth in you know because it seems to be lewd it eluded the youth simply because when they could like i said before they took culture richness programs out of the inner city schools and so these kids came up with hip hop on their own because you know because they never learned every good boy does fine or if a c e o how to read in case people who don't know what every good  if well every good boy does fine as the five lines of the treble clef so that helped us memorize it by saying every good boy does what in the spaces of something like i tell him with military school because it's something we all have between our ears a face f a c e so those are lies the spaces of the treble clef and of course you have the treble clef and then there's the bass clef where the lines and spaces or good boys do fine always so you know a and the spaces are all kelsey grass or all cars guess so but the leger line between the two clubs is were middle c those on the piano so it helps them be able to  with my band was playing a blues alley in washington d c and i played two tones and put the bass down announced the guys in the band and the two as we played went back to pick up the bass and it felt like something hit me in the back of him like i was going to pass out howard university medical center told me so well you know maybe you see your lecture lights to eat something and drink something did that went back to play and it didn't get any better and when i came off the second set knows when i walk with my foot is kind of flap and so i thought to most of us that you know i may have had a stroke and actually i did and i went back to the hotel and i called my friend at home he said check in the hospital emergency which i did and that's when they kept me there for three days and they build all these tests and found out that i'd had a stroke and they want to give me a cat scan and all that kind of stuff and you know that's when they took you know a cat scan and they noticed that i had scar tissue from having had another stroke prior to that that i didn't know i had so you know so that those a quick up call and that was after i'd had a heart attack at home where i didn't know it was a heart attack i was given the student lesson felt like i had indigestion and i couldn't you know saw my stool went across the street got me something to drink in it didn't get any better so my system said well you know call her friend who was you know like a chiropractor and he told me that we took my blood pressure he said well you know he had two friends whose pressure was erratic like that and they died so i immediately went to hospital emergency and that's enough found out they did the k g in th got the more my metabolism changed and when you have habits eating certain things you know that it causes weight gain which usually make your blood pressure go up well you know how the blood pressure or you know some of the same related things like you know they say doctors told me that i had you know i had a gut and they told her well if that's a sign of three things heart disease diabetes and hypertension and i came up with hypertension when i was thirty four it was borderline and thirty five it was confirmed so i treated my hypertension nutritionally for for about twenty three years until i gained weight and more pressure went up and that's when i had the stroke at fifty seven and then after that i had the stroke in two thousand and seven on the b but prior to that it had a heart attack so that's you know and so dietary early i changed my whole diet and started bill in the you know because i'd always been active up play sports study martial arts my you as the only thing i think sustained me and star swim in a half mile twice a week and all i can start well before we run out of time again i want to go to work things are ok so you have a record company you have a publishing company i'm sure you know he's mentioned like for example or w c hand he was one of the first black publishers and before you know after scott joplin who was really one of the first black publishers and he said you know sons or i are handing them these do you know asked me to come to these meetings because they were black publishers and basically that's that's your legacy because you know you might take the greatest solo in the world but of them was not recorded a moment is gone the only thing that lives on after you or your compositions and your and your music works that become was better known as intellectual property so that's what you know want to put him up over the company or put it in there as well i didn't have a publishing company at that time so i put it in there but every song that i wrote after that was all in love three music that stands for leon is best the third which by the   when a friend of mine we were like grew up like cousins who was a harvard m b a and we got finance for a business that we were trying to do you know it was called now it's time incorporate was the senior vice president of the corporation and the president of early bird records and i produced six well four records at that time on the label  the timeless all stars and the only record that they made in this country was on my record label because time was records it was a european record label and the band was bobby and that record had to be one of my biggest sellers and then i also put a record together with some guys that we grew up together musically gratian monk or the third charles t gary bars because charles and i went to howard and he we used to practice in my practice room and john hicks his wife that he married twice used to play the piano for and because she couldn't solo but she knew all the the hard terms like john coltrane's giant steps in straight street and benny golson zoom you know stablemates which she couldn't solo but so you know so that's where we used to you know used to practice that you know to keep those kinds of traditions going good so that's how we put the record together it was guys who had been playing together for forty years or more in the distribution you see it was one of your know well because mel klein was a friend of mine who put up the money to to start now's the time he put up three hundred fifty five thousand dollars of his own money that we found out because he was a record label and you know now's the time we were set up to do concerts festivals and stuff like that because we realized that we were not going to be able to sell records unless the bands that were on the record label were out working so we set up brownstone entertainment which was the artist management side of it so that we can keep the band's working right so it was like kind of one hand washes the other and that's one aspect of the business is very necessary to deal with do you know to keep the music alive and be able to keep the stuff in the public's ear but that was be that that was back in the days when you had radio stations that were still here you know am and f m radio stations that were still playing jazz but there's not one commercially advertising radio station in this country today playing jazz i think there was one in rochester but that's it so that means all the royalties that we used to get your nonexistent because the n p r stations a college stations that plays it as if it wasn't for them that's the only thing that keeps music in the public sphere but they don't pay royalties so if the royalty checks we used to get in or not  anymore yes so now you have to be savvy with the whole internet distribution oh yeah that too but it's so diverse that you know like they say you know the biggest retail seller on on the internet is really but the thing is if you have a website the way that you keep your website is in the on and on on the search engines is the air something to it every couple weeks or every hour at least once a month  so basically keeps you you know you're with the search engines but you know you have to be able to they have a really cracked how to do the major marketing promotion and advertising on the internet where you can come directly to you because it's so diverse that's only problem well before we run out of time least we have the book and could you please tell us about your book called the diminished whole tone concept you know first of all what does that mean for people who don't know the diminish his brother started the jails on song will you but basically it deals with the two tried to was in every major scale which is from the fourth to the seventh and the seventh through the fourth so that we have four to the seventh and you put a  if you do the tri took romantically and the bass and force is dominant to dominant harmony so very simply when you see a dominant seventh chord in that you know you can play one of two things you can play a whole tone scale starting on the roo third flat or fifth and seventh or you can play with classical composers call a symmetrical scale or an octatonic scale john coltrane simplified by calling it a double diminish looking really goes down explains all of it and if you are studying music if your child is studying music you really need to get this book can help simplify and help you understand what he was talking about basically you're talking about how you can