thirty years the agency has been described as one of the best analysts and code breakers in n s a has free they basically shut up a lot of what was going on so he knew they were doing legal stuff then he continues to speak out he's been swat teams he's been attacked h been demonized but it's failed they tried to silence him and other whistleblowers exposed facts dot o r g is a site where you can read some of his analysis and material i hope he writes a book soon he came down here on his own dime basically to south by southwest on from an expert showing us not what's classified but what's already been leaked so you don't get in trouble with just when we're here with the former technical director of the n s a the guy that actually ran it william benny so you got the floor ok you know there's so much here it's really hard to know where to start because it's really been over time it's been a our government has moved into basically sliding down the tele tarion slope taking massive amounts of data on our citizens and then working around and doing it across the world so basically they're they're doing this for everybody in the planet and the process started here in the n s a and it is started to spread around the world to the five eyes countries u s the u canada australia new zealand and then to other countries like in germany and switzerland and and and sweden and as israel so the the process of data collection and now the russians are doing i just read an article where they're starting this kind of operation so now the russians are following our lead in this spying business it's a big brother right right this is this is see when i when i first started in october two thousand and one it was very clear to me that this was a process that we were adopting in the united states that was really a soviet attempt or a stasi attempt in east germany to to assemble all the information on us on their populations so why it's because they wanted to control their populations that was the whole point of the tele tarion states that has been down through history i mean this is nothing new this is been repeated so many times in caesar augustus you know it's it was so clear right up front but i mean you could ask that's that's spread around the world to other place organizations around the world to anybody with an organization or police organization has a relationship with the f b i or the da around the world is subject to getting this kind of information but they'll never be given the original data from the n a because it's not admissible in a court of law because it wasn't acquired by a warrant and they don't want to with foreigners compromise the fact that they have the ability to collect that don't they didn't finish it and wash it and they've been caught adding dish information and it's a perfect way to put into the global data stream they they did that kind of framing with stade they did that even with us the partment of justice that they framed they tempted to but speak a little bit about that i think because people a window  szish well for example in the case and the only case that went to court was tom drake's case and they took him to court because he was still working for n s a at the time this was in two thousand and seven when they raided us then what they did was they took the information that he had it is house that was marked on classified and they changed that they drew a line through that and then stamped it classified secret or top secret then charge him with having classified material that's like retroactively classifying something so you can charge somebody with having classified material that's framing him ok it should show forgery it's a fraud it's a major felony and the problem with it is that they didn't know what they had done they'd released most of that material so i had the former director of star wars on he died a few years ago dr bob bowman and he talked about some of the space planes once and then they called him and came to his house you know kind of threatening him and he said hey here's where it was released on c span and here's where you guys in your own  decade ago to release it and then they couldn't go after him but that's the type of stuff they pull right and it's total it's a total fabrication of evidence to put people in jail that's our department of justice doing the bible calls it bearing false w complaining to senators and representatives and various other people as was time as was tom drudge to be clear you guys were doing this internally we were internal in terms of the government we were going to the inspector we even heard maybe and i even went to talk to the department of justice inspector general and of course they couldn't say anything to us but we made it clear what the problem was with this domestic spying but for me and all four of us who we were the four who were first raided in regulations do it in other words the executive order one three five two six section one point seven says you can't classify something or keep it classified or not be classified if it's evidence of a crime or evidence of that embarrasses an agency or you can't use the national security act to cover up criminal act it's actually exactly and that's basically what the that what the n s a and the d o j and the d o d with the with that investigative report that's what they were doing they were redacting at hiding complaint against n s a they gave our names to the f b i and so and that was against their regulations ok i mean who knows so they're all breaking the law all accusing you of doing it yes and all you're doing is going to congressional committees and inspector generals whose job it is to have oversight and telling them how they're breaking the law yes and also it's the committees who are supposed to be the intelligence committees in the house and senate and also the five the court where established after the church committee investigation of n s a cia and f over them and let's be clear because the fake conservative argument and the fake liberal argument is the same we're protecting you from al qaeda and drug dealers and all this other stuff but then as more of this gets leaked and comes out they're spying on parliament they're spying on congress they're spying on other agencies and there's so much spying on and you've explained there's the back when you were really spying on the russians really spying on radical islam and just legally and lawfully that was already legal and lawful it's the domestic stuff that's the legal but they they confuse people and say let us protect you from al qaeda when actually they're doing the opposite they're letting all these groups operate because they're too busy spying on their boyfriends and their girlfriends in the congressman and that's one that's one of the cases you don't do that first of all you don't do that you do not do that with metadata you do that with content and that's what they've been trying to hide that they've been collecting content all along since two thousand and two at least and that content is stored in in utah san antonio very so the storage facilities and there should have been done john john we're going to skip this network break the show important right now william bennett the former director of the technical division of the n s a i feel the new show you are the number two number three number four what position were you in the n s a what that position what level is that while i was a senior executive a grade if you get in the military ranks i'd be like a one point five star general so but i was i was the technical and see patterns in data and when you can do that that's the kind of thing you need to be able to break things and solve problems so no i want to have you on just about use it i mean i know most of it's classified but i mean you battled the russians the chinese everybody right oh you know most of the dead are so packed europe europe yeah and i'm just countries in the soviet you said before it upset you to go from really going spying after a serious folks to like spying on congressman yes yeah i mean in every us citizen in the country no one was me well i mean what he's saying is was right i mean they're collecting all the data content and meditate on everybody and they explain those lies for folks they claim oh it's just meditated just you know basically when you call when you didn't call it a phone bill no no no explain what they're really doing assemble reassemble all the data like you send an email goes out and packets will sure all is back it's back together and say here's the email you just sent and then they would pass it on to n s a for storage and that's what it that's what that device did it did content collection not just meditated but content then now we know those hubs are everywhere and in front of us they're building giant huge complex is a storage all yes the latest one that they they've just submitted an empire and viral mental impact statement four is a two point eight million square foot facility on fort meade taking a basically the golf course of forty two point eight million is about three times the size of bluff just about three times that's a million square feet this stealing all of our data but no you can't name a camera and it's it's it's kind of they're hypocritical about this i mean it's all they're all hypocrites i mean they're violating the constitution they say they're not everything is legal well that's retroactively passing laws the problem with that is the laws that they pass have you have to abide to the constitution and when you finally the fourth amendment doesn't matter what kind of wall you pass that says you're a to do that is a violation of the fourth amendment the church and it's not constitutional and you know they should all the constitution is dead you ignore it it won't be a problem but now we see the president saying i'm an open the borders not even an order not even congress and even more from obama i'm going to come out your guns a lot in order or out a law they don't even do the fake orders now they just do it  yesterday no more four years for the white house we're just not going to follow a law i mean this is dictatorship not just obama himself but of the system in my view how would you describe this slide it's a slide into to tell a tarion is a man an imperial presidency and control the population process i mean that's what they're doing i mean they they kept everybody in the dark so you had no informed electorate to make a decision about who to vote they realized that they were being lied to by the agencies by the and by the intelligence committees and by the administration about what was going on so i mean they had an uninformed congress and an uninformed electorate by design and that's basically what on but my big question is as best you know not being there in fifteen years but what's late and what people said how many people really have access to the big master files to go in and sion and they order and then get all my e mails from a year ago or go and see the file a text file of a phone call i had last night how many people have access to this because if you know didn't could really get access to all of this that means government spies could as well so even if we had good people in government which we know at the top we don't they built this fraud they've built something that could be taken over or hacked and thus compromised everything you build something that spies on everything you just buil something that corporations spies private corporate criminals anybody can get into an exploit shell with governments history of selling driver's license shelling uranium whatever the case is this looks like a giant bazaar of information that they've just opened up yes and internally in n s a they have no monitoring of the network as to what what's going on and who's using it my estimate and terms of i mean some of the numbers i've seen say let's stop there i mean interrupt you we monitor our said we wanted to monitor the entire worldwide network of n s a who was on it when they were on it what they were doing when they were there as they did it and it would be a matter of monitoring the network log like you probably do here the same principle it's an idea where anybody on the network sends data down the line you can see what they're doing and it's recorded in the log so you can analyze that log with software and that's what we we intended and proposed to do we had two groups opposing that one were all the analysts saying you will be able to see everything i'm doing i don't want you monitor ok but they're worried it was secret government operation they're the ones that should have a regularly exactly plus plus that people could just shell their code and let anybody n o mike i mean if i was a spy running america i would want there to be no monitoring well that's that that's exactly what the analysts said but the real opposes of it where the managers and the reason they didn't want that happening was we could watch the movement of all the money we could see all the money being spent on every program the return on investment of every program whether or not they were successful or not who what companies were competing for and all of that kind of they didn't want any oversight so basically it's a giant looting operation exactly in fact there is no there is no oversight there is no auditing of n s a by congress congress does not audit in a say this is a set up for corruption listen i've had hundreds of employees over the years we have fifty plus now best of ever had and down and but the i've turned pretty much any employee loose to ever they want in almost every case they end up going off the reservation causing problems i mean the recipe of just leaving home you know to your fourteen year old son for a year you come back i mean it would be a disaster imagine a government agency with billions of dollars a month span and there's no oversight right and have no way of oversight i mean even the intelligence committees all they can do is come out and get a briefing from the people at n s a and all they hear is what they want to tell him and the same is true with the court has no way of checking or verifying or validating what they're being told that was one of the main things we suggested to the president is how to fix n s a is to have a technical group that would make sure that that what they're telling them is true being very simply put i suggest the hackers in the united states they're the ones want to find things and solve problems take these hackers give them clearances and give them the authority to go into any agency in any intelligence community agency in the government sit at any terminals look at any database monitor every program they haven't what their analysts are doing at any time basically auditor's yes and that would verify be able to verify what they're being told is true right now there is no government in the world that can trust any intelligence agency they've created i was it should part springs last year on a classified stuff right next to me and i looked at them and i said you know when we take this country back you're going to be known as like the nazi even if you think this is cute you should be laying around the grass blabbering about it and see that's what my wife said to me right after we were benny former technical director of the national security agency is whether she's going to get into whatever topic she wants to cover break down where all this is going to be awakening he sees happening his meetings all over town a snowden info and more straight ahead a lot going program run amok but when you actually look at the details then i think we've struck the right balance and if people can't trust not only the executive branch but also don't trust congress and don't trust federal judges to make sure the world biding by the constitution due process long then we're going to have some problems with the alex jones show because there is a war on for your mind let government corporations get out of control now there is no oversight they're doing whatever they want it's crazy william binney former technical director of the national security agency one of the most high level whistleblowers of all time i mean he  benedict arnolds level prime's they tried to put him in president failed they have successfully put other patriots in present they put journalists in prison but for people in the government better choose a side because this is classic every top constitutional lawyer whether they're liberal or conservative has come out and said we're going over the edge this is scary even congress is saying that but it's there's no oversight so it's just all out of control no other centralized groups that have a lot of power is the scariest thing is if this was a centralized system we could probably fix it a lot better william bennett i'm giving the floor to cover a bunch of topics you want to get into and go over some of these graphics from snowden am i right from your expert opinion that it's worse that there's not even oversight because there's all these many empires and god knows what's going on with just unlimited spying happening and congress doesn't know what to do i mean this this is just crazy sounding is that worse than just having one centralized group running it because we could remove them i mean how do you ever get rid of something this protest the size like this well that's one of the things that we put into into  in january of last year we sent in twenty one recommendations on how to fix n s a and one of them was to have our our group of technical people be able to monitor everything and we had another one to have focused collection of data that's only  that's only and that kind of data is what pulled into the n s a not this bulk acquisition that that removes the possibility of them even acquiring that data because now they can't even access because it doesn't exist so if you did a focused attack like we did with our there they can't alter the data because they can't get to it they they can now it's ok but but because because under the thin thread program it wouldn't the data wouldn't even be stored there they wouldn't have it so they wouldn't be able to do anything with that was the point we had a way of filtering out all all domestic communications metadata content everything if it was domestic it didn't it just passed right by we could recognize it was domestic and not even in take it in so we never even acquired it so it could bush cheney hayden and tenet the decided to spy on everybody that was to expand the author already of an n s a to go into in secret other way to spy and collect data on every u s citizen and everybody on the planet and so when they did that that's when i first saw that coming in that was when i had them wash my hands of n s a i couldn't get any part of that i had to leave because that was just i couldn't participate or even be associated with those crimes what do they say to you when you went into yours appears office i guess that be the crime yes they had been they they they were all a party to it all the lawyers all of the senior managers in n s a had all followed orders from the white house from cheney and bush the to do this and that's what hayden directed them to say that this is what was this direction was coming from the white house therefore we're going to do it it's lawful and we want to talk about what a hero how much courage you've got i mean you know how serious people are in this government but they do worldwide how corrupt it got at that point you had the will to march in the congress and tell him what was going on the first guy and that's ten times bigger than snowden internally and it really started this whole internal debate in this avalanche of understanding now i mean you were really one of the first people to ring the bell tolled warned folks that the country as we knew it was being dismantled yes and in order to do that i had to meet with one of the staffers of the house intelligence committee dianne rourke that i knew so i met with her at her house as we couldn't trust the house intelligence committee because they were part of it and we also couldn't trust anybody in n the only place that would find we could be have a conversation or even talk about this was her house there was no other place that was secure and there's supposed free country of america and then you get swat team tell folks about that well yeah after after that and after talking to exposed and claimed it was for al qaeda yeah right that's right but that was only a smidgen of what they were doing i mean that was like an infinitesimal what they were really taking in at that time it must have been a lower percentage of phone calls but vast majority of e mails inside the united states as well as worldwide which i estimated to be now at least eighty percent of the phone calls in the united states are now being recorded somewhere that's how tim clemente could say that after the boston bombing we can get back to what was said in a phone judiciary testimony in thirtieth of march two thousand and eleven said that he got together with the department of defense and set up a database where he and the f b i could make one query and get all past and all future e mails on a person that tells you that that's coming out of bluffdale by the way all the all the data is being collected and stored and so it's not just it's not just phone calls and e mails as everything else and of course some of the recent publications show credit card use is being stored also how many people in the how many people have a high end of clearance in government agencies period be able to go in and hear my phone calls shea to my dad yesterday i believe the figures i've seen at least that it's been published is probably on the order of about three  thousand government employees now that doesn't count contractors who are managing the data that's the real rub you have all these contractors who manage the communications the computers the data storage querrey programs then the communication back and forth between the an bridge because they don't have any monitoring system of them anybody with this system administrator or a super user case which is what he had people say there's no way so you could do it no it's like it's designed to bring the country down it's like it's designed in our national security and then they're selling it as national security well that gets back to that program we wanted to put in place in one thousand nine hundred ninety two which was well grounded to monitor this and we were by the analysts and they may administrator they managers because of all the all the material expose that they were doing but that meant that they still left the entire network with no monitoring system at all that's why they can't tell what snowden took that they don't have any idea they're guessing one point seven million what's behind an open border what's behind an open n s a what's behind at the end of the day what do you think the different power elites are thinking i basically see us moving to a controlled society a to tell a tarion state where where it is that the government wants to be in charge i mean when reagan said we're a country with a government i think we're now a government with a country and that's and that all of the things that are happening are only i didn't know that control and the  people are going to manipulate them and keep as long as they can keep them uninformed and nobody realizes what's going on or they don't see the threat if they say you have nothing if you've done nothing wrong have nothing to hide first of all that's a great quote from joseph and secondly that's totally irrelevant now they're actually quoting joseph goebbels on a routine basis yeah it's like satire it's like the lies they keep saying that's right out of hitler's playbook if you're going to tell a lie make it a big one and tell it frequently til it's b that's what's going on here and we're assuming that we trust our government so we're assuming that telling us the truth well that's just wrong it's just a bunch of corporations and private contractors screwing a chauffeur for money yes i have been basically said what they did after nine eleven was trade the security of the people of united states and of the world for money it was all about money it wasn't about solving the problem in fact i originally had because of this problem of not the contractors not really solving the problem i kept thinking well their vision statement must be a glowing myth you know that was what i thought originally but really in the end it's keep the problem going so the money keeps flowing that's the real issue their problem is getting the next contract if you solve the problem you don't have the problem to get money that's their philosophy and that's why i've had a lot of top geopolitical analyst admit now that that's why we have such a corrupt global elite is because they don't ever want to fix any problems because they're getting contracts so their buddies are off of things getting worse but if they end up be stabilizing the whole planet and bring down civilization then all the swiss bank money isn't going to buy jack squat that's another problem with the programs that the that have been doing like  recognizing weaknesses and firewalls and operating systems and we can create encryption systems with the bull run program for example front of n s a that's weakening all those things around the world for everybody you're not back doors back doors and things like  people around the world hackers and people in russia and china and so on all around the world also have smart people and they can go in and hack into systems and recognize these weaknesses and the fire walls and operating systems and the and the  so they can penetrate everything too i mean the point is if you keep those things weak which is what the operational side of n s a wants to do because that then allows them to see into what they're doing they can penetrate that's like saying we want the average american to have a q because that makes us more manageable yes we'll just then be a nation of mentally retarded people i mean i use a bad analogy like that but but but it's like make us totally wide open so we can spy on you not seeing the fact that it just opens the world up to all these data breaches every day bank of america or this or google losing millions of the millions of bad credit cards not working my bank accounts constantly having people doing stuff i mean it's just a mess yeah and there's another there's another contradictory point here too a part of n s a is called i a d that's the information assurance division directorate that directorate is supposed to secure communications within the united states for the government and for anybody else they're supposed to share technology so they can improve the security  networks well that's working against the operational side they want to penetrate those networks so in on the one side you're trying to defend them on the other trying to attack them so the point is when it gets a friend when i was in operations i saw the system i thought was  a pretty significant one and i thought well the people also do that for our side so i would go over and talk to them about what i've just saw from the other side the operations side and tell them here's a solution on the bad guys and is this very similar is similar to what you do for ours and you watch for these kind of penetrations that i can do over here you know and they wouldn't talk to me about there's only one hackers that call out some famous ones that tell us holes and stuff we've got they help us that's why i had to do it you're saying they didn't want to communicate and exactly internally in n s a that didn't what they didn't want to communicate and share that kind of knowledge but i told my side so they can use this defensively but i'm but by doing the things they're doing the operations side seeing all the weakness isn't telling the defensive side that they also these agencies you always hear this but they really are their own little fiefdoms waging war against each other and i don't count going to cia and they are the conflicts between cia and n s a it's like a competition who has the best knowledge right to bring that up some people say i don't know if it's true or about what's going on it's a it's a side issue they try to deflect the narrative to something else because cia is a part of this cia and some of the material slot slides that that i have that snowden has released it shows the n s a the cia connection into the a databases which expose all the data at the cia as well as the f b i and that's how they do the parallel construct they first go in and get the data from n s a and then they have to do a parallel construction that's of f b i and dea a do it and they have it direct almost direct access into those databases it is sure real that i'm forty one years old and i'm shooting here reaching millions of people with william binney the former technical director of the n s a who ran a war for operations against all the other governments and you're here telling me that we're going into a total tear on me i got all these questions you twitter questions that was one of them we've got all these open phones i'll give a number out for a couple calls eight hundred two five nine ninety two thirty one eight hundred two five nine one two three one we're going to break here in a few minutes we'll do a little bit of a drive and then i'm just so thankful to have you here what else are key ted bet you'd like to impart to the listeners and viewers out there about what we're dealing with and how you think we may be able to change it and then separately you said you think there is an awakening ambling i believe there is one of the major aspects though that i wanted to point out here and so i have it in some of the slides all those show it was a program called the treasure map and the objective there is to monitor where every device is in the world on the network every computer every phone every mobile or fixed and monitor them every minute of every of every day so that keeping a constant track on where you are and where you're moving and where you've been at what time and that paired up with the content collection and metadata collection shows them who you are who you're talking to what you're talking about and perhaps even why you're wh you're discussing things and even in a in a journalist sense a whim about what you're trying to run and what kind of operation are trying to do and then you pair that up with the treasure map type approach getting you the when when you are somewhere and where you are when you're doing this that gives you all the components of a story of your life and that's that's what they're really doing they're pulling all of this data together to get an entire picture of your life of everybody on the planet at least the objective seems the be every device and that work estimate that the b four billion people and monitoring them where they are constantly throughout the day and we're showing some of the snowden documents here is you speak yes if you want basically indexed kind of index the metadata they build the social networks for that's main way and marie all of this was a guide all of us the legal right but it also is storing the content in pinwheel or the digital network and the voices in the nucleon that's where the content is stored and it's indexed against the relationships that are built in the in the graphs in mainway and marina's so that analysts look at the graphs and they pull out the graph and see something interesting they say ok give me all the content that goes with that and it's gets pulled out from those two research for crimes or the i r s looks to who's involved with the tea party there they get that data right out of the graphs it's all there in your file right exactly and they've been caught as you know as you said even when yourself just making stuff up to they can just add stuff in there is a given the opportunity go in and modify anything they have right now with a voice print analysis for a long time to take a record of your voice with different programs are publicly available to type it in and then well even some of the metrics that they're using in terms of biometric that's kind of a within a range of probabilities so that's still when they claim if they claim they have a match that's not necessarily a match but they can claim it based on the probabilities that they're  time you have a voice print or a face in print that you're the person who did this and turns out it's not true but those things are only accurate up to a degree and they don't even they won't they won't tell you that that's true because it it it weakens their argument can you imagine wouldn't have a chance and then this will just allow tyranny to get the biggest fattest most evil it ever has if i think we're in for some serious times as we are a lot of folks are just going to surrender but his history shows you surrender to tyrants it gets really there yes unfortunately and when they say they don't collect content or they don't tap into the fiber network randomly in the us there's a slide fairview slide that shows all of the tap points in the forty eight states  that that's it right there and it's basically following the distribution of the population of the united states and also if you know if they were if they as they claim they were only after foreign communications if they were only after foreign communication the only sites they would need would be along the coast where the trance oceanic cable surf otherwise all the other collection points in there are domestic and there's a two hundred taps and those are the major points for major sites for  way they want to fit their their desire unbelievable william benny is our guest in studio loral a room ask on twitter it really shows why haven't we begun impeachment recall process  for the feds funding got trampled on funding terrorist and spying the blackmail public officials why only i think it's just a continuation of their doing what they want to do and they feel they are above the law for example when nancy pelosi when she was speaker of the house said impeaching george bush is off the table that's because she was one of the first of the four people in congress belief briefed on these programs so if she impeach george bush george could say to her you have to paint yourself as you're a part of this that's how julius caesar who you mentioned earlier got control and she corrupted the patrician family so they were part of this is this was all done in secret too by the way they were given secret briefings they couldn't talk about it rockefeller talked in his letter to cheney about this i'm not a technician i'm legal person and so i'm but i'm really uncomfortable about this you know so they it was all in all they had to do at that point was say anybody from the house that should have stepped up and said look this is obviously unconstitutional if you don't stop this i'm going to introduce impeachment proceedings against you in the house and now the genie is out of the bottle and the russians are by else you're doing it yes and then they are well they're doing it we've got to do it this is a disaster we need international treaties now we need to dismantle this stuff we need to go back to how do we throw off the security what can we do well i mean that the two main the main approach right now i think is you have to hammer your representatives and senators and not just with e mails or twitter or phone calls but also when they come to public public forums with the public town meetings get up and then paris them with asking questions of why aren't you why aren't you living up to your office of office to defend the constitution because under the spying they're right violating all our constitutional rights of privacy and we know they're images their t v s are recording and watching you this is they're now putting the terms conditions of i phones and droids yes we're actually recording your voice i mean i guess they're trying to cover their butts now and they're doing it too yes and i think all of this should be declared unconstitutional illegal they shouldn't be allowed to do this it's crazy yes it's all these stars put their photos and phone and sex up on up on the cloud and then are surprised it gets hacked yes that's the point i mean if you weaken systems everybody can get in so and the other point is very simple that by when these companies are doing this this is a rich environment for n s a and cia to mine and the f b i and they say ok now this these invite this environment we want and we require you to give it to us if you don't give it to us we'll unilaterally tap the lines that you used to pass the data and we'll get it all anyway and then there's a payment you know sometimes they pay for it as a schedule for paying for oh now they're bypassing with all these right there just building their own networks to spy on us yeah i mean to and in fact they don't even have to do that anymore and now that they have all the sim cards and all the keys to get into every so every cell phone and every computer all they have to do is download of combat ing and changing the course of our government's taken in from from the from the arguments the government puts forward they say they're doing this for security of the people the united states and that they're doing it for terrorism to try to prevent it and you have to give up your security your privacy for them to be able to do that and that's just an outright lie first of all and secondly what's really happening by taking in this bulk data it's really over overburdening their analysts in it in the n s a cia all of the world and so they can't really they can't really stop these events of terrorism like the bombings in boston with the shooting in paris or in copenhagen or that they'll have the fort hood shooter or any of that because they're analysts are so burdened with data they they use a dictionary select type approach which is fundamentally a google approach that means that when they do their daily polls they use their dictionary select and they get like a google return well that's hundreds of thousands or even a million returns you know analysts could make it through all that data in any day the next day they get an equivalent amount so that means they're making themselves totally dysfunctional and that's just not true for n s a that's also true in g c h q and around the world because all these governments are adopting the same procedures instead of taking a focused approach which would make a rich environment of content to be able to manage an analyzer that that would make them successful so fundamentally they're exposing people to more more risk they're not actually protecting you they're they're making it more risky for you  losing security because of this procedure they've adopted so the point is from my my perspective i keep arguing and we've the other n s a whistleblowers and i have made suggestions on how to do this to the government but  president has not adopted those techniques and nor have any of the intelligence agencies simply because there is too much money in this process of doing bulk acquisition of data but that's their motive to get to keep having the money flow and keep that keep that going to change in that particular procedure is rather difficult with and even within government because this money comes out and goes to corporations that are in the constituent areas of the representatives and senators so they have a vested interest in also keeping this going so the only way to do it is to raise up as a public we have to start standing up as americans americans aren't supposed to sit back and let things happen and let let government do what it does we're supposed to be out there challenging we have to be participating in their you know in our democracy and republic we cannot sit by and let these things happen and be quiet if we do we're going to get this to tell a tarion state that we're sliding toward right now i mean so that's that's really the basic issue of i have to convey to you that and you need to stand up how could you do that you can't sit there and say you don't have it you don't make you don't have any power you really do have power and the power is to talk to your analysts or to your representatives and senators and complain to them and make sure that it's this is a major concern to you and when they come around to to give you town meetings and talk to you and get your vote stand up and and and address them and make them publicly come out with a statement their position on this issue if you don't i mean they're going to continue doing what they can to they they are doing right now they they simply say they're assuming because now if you're not complaining they're assuming that you're ok with everything they do or they they they feel they can do anything in the come the country will accept it and as long as they keep saying things and not telling the truth and exposing what's really going on they can keep you in the dark and you'll never know so that's why you have to get up stand up challenge challenge them i mean after all they're even addressing the  the the free press we're supposed to have like with jim risin and jim rosen the a p and very so they are reporting journals to investigative journalists they're they're shutting down their sources of information and keeping them quiet well that's destroying a free press  free press is supposed to be interrogating the government to see what they're doing so they can inform the public what the government is out after and what they're really doing well that's falling totally apart i mean look at jim rosen is case they tried to they had him under subpoena for any number any number of years trying to get him to tell the source of that information in the books and things he published well under the under the press rules he had the right to keep that the source is confidential so they are attempting to destroy a free press which is the next step in father before him had i mean we're going to lose it because we can't trust we're going to trust the government and what they're saying they in fact are have been deliberately keeping us in the dark as to what's going in and keeping a lot of congress in the dark too so so by by doing this complaining to to the congress you have an at least an opportunity to change the process in the sequence of things and where it's headed short of that i mean you have to fire everybody contracts the only way to get rid of you have to get rid of the bums because they're they're not living up to their oath of office which is to protect and defend the constitution the president of course says the additional responsibility under his oath of office to preserve the constitution has the or preserve protect and defend the others like when i was in government i had to protect and defend the constitution that's why i felt that what i was doing was consistent with my oath of office also consistent with being a citizens of the united states of actively getting and participating in in this democracy that we have is getting up there and standing up and defending that constitution protect at least trying to protect it and defended that's something that our representatives in washington are not doing and that's something we have to call them on we have to make sure as the citizens that we stand up and say look you're in office and we voted you there and your oath of office is to due to this to protect our rights and you're not doing that and put them on the spot publicly this is the only way to do it sunlight is the only cure  and that's why edward snowden has really been as really performed a a huge public service by exposing this these programs that have been in place and put in place since nine eleven to spying on everybody in the united states and accumulate information on everybody it's one thing for companies to do it which i also disagree with they shouldn't be allowed to do that but they are doing it for the purpose of advertising and making money the government's doing it for the purpose of finding criminal activity and also being able to control the population that's really what's happening i mean you could see in the militarization of your local police and and the and the spread of the of the department of homeland security and their equipment worldwide the buying and poets and so on they're all leading to the state of basically being able to control the population and that's fundamentally what i've been and that's what i testified to in germany when i gave testimony the bundestag that the entire process that was adopted by n s a and has been spread around the world for all the intelligence agencies is one of controlling an ascent assuming assembling information to be able to control population not just in the united states but around the world so this is not just threatening us in our democracy it's a world where we're destroying democracy around the world and in fact that we're doing such a good job that the that the russians and others others who we used to call to tell a tarion states are now adopting the procedures that we've implemented and this basically tells you that that we're on the wrong path our government since dick cheney is to you know said said publicly on television that we had to go to the dark side well that meant we went to the dark side for rendering torture murder you know drone strikes spying on everybody all of this is the dark side well that that's that's not that's not american and that's certainly not consistent with the founding principles of this government we were founded on the principles of human rights and what these are the processes that are putting in place now or in fact taking those rights away so the only way we can change this is to stand up we have to get active say something i don't care what it is you say or how you say it but get up and participate in this government sure that if you oppose this move towards to tell a tear in his that you need to speak up and say something can't be quiet you have to get out there and participate and that's that's really the theme of what i what i would like to say to everybody in america and that's what that's that the only lonely way now to do it is to to do to address your representatives and senators and make sure that you push that on them and keep keep pushing that if they don't start saying them just tell i'm going to fire them by voting against them the next time that will get their attention because that's really what they want to do they want to stay in congress and be and be there for years and that's part of our problem we don't have term limits so we end up with what i call petrified politicians in place in washington and they they've been there for so long that it's and never ending career for them  when when you do that with politicians they tend to think over time that they know better than anybody else and that they don't have they don't they believe that they can make the decisions that are right for the country whether or not the public in united states would agree or not or even if they disagree that doesn't matter if their opinion says let's go another way then that's what they do so that that's where we have to stand up as a group and you have to do this is a group and make sure that  that the wave of public opinion hits them in a place that hurts them and that's what the voting if you vote against them and fire them they'll get there that will get their attention that's the big thing that i would say fire the bums get rid of them and i would say if the if there's any if there's an income if there's a word incumbent after somebody you're in the voting booth i would say more than likely it's better to vote against them like i said earlier the best way i would see to do it is to randomly select people from the phone book as and give them every two years a chance to get in into into office that way think about that for a minute that would mean you get mostly people who would want to be honest that's certainly a change from what we've got and you get people who would like to be who would like to balance a budget that's certainly new i mean we get a reduce the deficit that way for sure and you'd like to you get mostly people who would like to cooperate to solve a problem that certainly is new to so and the other benefits think about it the political parties would be gone you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to do that you would have to do campaigns or any of that you wouldn't have all this vested interest in lobbyist going on so you you you could end you could end up getting all these positive effects by rick in place selecting from the phone book and politicians should realize that from us that we're saying that's a better way to do it than what we've got now so thank you very much for your time and listening