that's the most important thing as a young man i grew up in the south and the seattle born and raised in the greater beach area and spent a lot of my time there as well as in the central district and grew up in the local community centers and boys clubs and product of a single parent home and a mom took care of myself and my brother for a number of years and raised us from birth basically and you know worked real hard to  teach us a lot of things to keep us in school to keep us on the right path and pretty much matt was a product of the environment that i was in product of the neighborhood you know grew up with a lot of those aunties and uncles its early in the middle stages i was just a young boy but it was you know i really could identify with the music because there was definitely no not going to music that i was raised in my mom used to play a lot of motown music around me and i grew up  you know on the temptations or the tops diana ross in the supreme so a lot of seventy's music on her too as well but you know the motown stuff was what i really really grew up on and and  just insane it was incredible you know it was nothing like what we kind of hear you know in this in this day and age no knock against today's flow but right imo school throwback had by nature just because i was raised on those quality voices they weren't all really speak to me you didn't speak right situation most of it was you know love song grow you know reverend addis a young fellow man and i knew what i was dealing with and that was you know kind of maybe being out on the streets and maybe not having as much you know hope been as much  you know optimism towards the future and when some of the early hip hop songs that came out you know like grandmaster flash you know furious five when they came out with the message that was one of the very first songs that seemed to kind of represent where you know i and a million other young black you know inner city youth were coming from the right no growth of the message was really really a message from us to mainstream america no and i mean people thought rap and hip hop was a fad at that point in time rice cats you know came out with a brand new form of music and were able to parlay it into a into a gold single you know back when there was an m t v in the videos to give you all that major exposure you had to just sell records and radio play and just word of mouth and and street and all going on and so these do it sold you know five hundred thousand a million  bus down there to go in and get my record man and put it on so i could listen to it over and over because it was like bam i finally somebody that really is speaking to me you know and i think that's would why rap is where it's at now because it's the it's music that people can express themselves over and that people can can can identify with and it's not this music where it's like you know ok with like the music but it isn't really speaking to me you could say almost everything you know or but what got me into it was like ok well you know these people speak and they represent where i come from but they don't represent me individually you understand what i mean and i felt like i had some message bottled up inside of me  own unique personal situation ok that really needed to speak out and i felt like there was a lot of people that were near me and around me that we're dealing with a lot of the same things a lot of the same issues a lot of us were in broken homes a lot of us came home to to no mom no dad because mom is at work dad is is gone a wall and so we come home we had to kind of fan for ourselves raise ourselves and basically daddy was a street corner it wasn't like we had a father around so it's like a lot of the people that identified with my same struggle and my same issues i felt like i had something inside of me that had an individual message for sort for certain people as well as what about you know  these guys are doing what they're doing on and and major kudos to what they're doing but right you know you know maybe there's something that can be brought out of me if i can find a way or a means to do it so it's kind of funny mr mix a lot  black youth and everything live there and black families you know we it was mainly a black area neighborhood and so it's a mix of both lived in the same you know we just live a few units away from one another if you will and  so he and i i heard about him because he used to kind of d j and he used to make me he would like pretty much like take records that were out if you will and then he would make people tapes and he had his turntables and he would do special mixes and he had a little microphone so he would like customize the tape to use with the tape was for you he'd say your name on it you know you know of course you know if you go out and buy five or ten records you know that the forty fifty dollars and if you go to him he can put all the newest music and he had some some way to get the newest music all the time ahead of everybody so if there was a new song that was out by whoever he had and you'd be like man i got a i got it's like well ok if he's got all the new stuff let me go to him because he'll make a tape i give him ten bucks and he'll make me a tape with all the new stuff on it so it was really just doing his thing back then i mean he would have he had people come in and i remember it was so started getting to know him i was just a little kid banging and you know and i would scrounge up my look ten dollars from whatever you know and and get with him and do that and so we got to become kind of friends through them you know just by me and then you know one time i was i was so curious  band having no name on my tape and you know so he would he would make the he would make the tapes and show me all this stuff and show me his turntables and you know so i was just real fascinated with it and then so i asked him i said hey man you know when you go in and man and check you out so i go in and i am hanging out of course like i am young and all these people are just kind of fascinated watching all these people dance in a party and watching him kind of do is the hanged man and i really liked it and i was like man you know this is real cool and  and he just took it and just said you know he let me let me mess around with it and just started playing with it playing with it and the way he started to do his own raps first was that he would he would make copy versions of like let's say of whoever came out with the then he would make his own homemade version of their song imitate their song ok but make his own version of it and he'd like even imitate the lyrics but then he'd make it he'd make it to where it would apply to us like it might talk about his own name or our own city or what his situation is so he would take the song and put a spin on it and you know almost like a weird al yankovic you know and so he had that vibe going and you know  i was like man you know why don't you you know do your own stuff you know do some of your original your own your own kind of thing you know and he was like well man let me let you check this out and he really had been let a lot of people here but he had his own his own little raps that he was put together together somewhat of a studio if you will and so his songs started to get better and better better and he began to actually share those songs on those tapes and he had a classic song and that a lot of old school is from seattle remember called the seven rainier about the bus he ha started write mound radisson using my little sin sonic drum to make a little sounds and i do that kind of thing and i had a broken headphone that i kind of wired to a tape with that drum thing so i could make my own little songs better and as he was d j and parties he would he was beginning to perform his own stuff at that stuff you know and he was getting a lot of attention from doing that and then along came this guy who who ended up saying to him hey man have you ever thought about maybe putting out a record he said i think i know some people we can probably put something together and you know he was like well you know yeah i think i try something like that that be cool us i mean we could sell a few copies around you know so you know and just kind of see where it goes again that's the story but the short answer to your question was i really got into the music just because i felt like there were some things inside of me that i wanted to express and that's how the history of it began to do it to the point to where we cut our first record and then we nasty mix records actually opened up and was officially open for business as things began to develop more on the from the local distribution and then we just kept on talking to more and more people in terms of ok how can we get this thing out a little far reach a little farther pretty soon it was state wide pretty soon it was in the northwest pretty soon we were doing the whole west coast and it began to trickle forward from there and as residuals came in from the record sales from things like that we began to do more things like shoot videos for arms of the old school classics like my posse's on broadway you know that was one of his old school classics that we shot a video for and we just began to continue to parlay and parlay and before we knew it we were sitting on a on a gold record you know we were just  says inner city kids from seattle and put together a company that was able to be a real powerhouse because that was something for back in the day for hip hop record to do that kind of stuck on the undead no we're know i hear different people talk and degrades groups is there a difference between rap and hip hop as you say what is your what is your opinion absolutely there's a huge difference between rap and hip hop because hip hop is really a lifestyle and a culture and all whole thing itself whereas rap is just a part of what hip hop is or hip hop incumbrances years you know this style of dress it encompasses things like break dance musical expression verbal expression spoken word all things of that nature are all part of hip hop but hip hop is really a culture and a lifestyle you know and so a lot of people mistake some rap music for hip hop music you know   what were you that now in your life you know as far as the music as far as your spiritual path were where is cold a movie now well right now you know life is really all for me about god and about family about life and music and just you know doing that are going to enrich this place you know and when i was when i was young and i was doing the stuff kids and sation you know a lot of my music there were some positive messages in my music and i used to get a lot of a lot of love from you know people in terms of well you know that song that you said about their prisoner of ignorance when the song my first album where i'm talking about as being prisoners of our own ignorance there were some real deep messages of some of the things that i said but on the on the majority of me i was a young kind of brash cute i was you know quite cocky quite you know into you know materialistic things if you will just kind of into self a lot you know and i didn't really understand  realize that my my life had a real purpose and a real meaning and that it meant more than just my existence my existence meant something to this world to god god in intended my existence and planned my existence and there was a specific that i needed to accomplish in might and that tassel god touched the lives of many others but i didn't see that because you know just a young cat in the world really doing some serious some serious things you know for for where i was at and  now at this point in time you know there's just been a lot of spiritual growth in my life and i understand the more that i know the less that i know if it makes and then it's got a lot of a lot of it's just about those things about growth and life and love and god man i'm a i'm a christian man i live my life with christian values i love god first i love my family then i love myself after them and i learned how to have a selfless attitude if you will where i think about you know my family i think about god first and what it is that he has for my life and what it is that he wants my life to me in who wants it to touch before i necessarily concern myself with you know  th thinking about my own my own thing and my own provide a my own goals and ambitions you know those things are all fine and good but it's just more or less life in prison and we got about we got about two minutes that that is year my story begins it's just really about the struggle between inner city youth and the powers that be and how we end up locked shot up in graves or in prisons you know just a real deep song about that