audience tell us where you were born or something about your growing up years i was born in brooklyn new york and i am the oldest of two girls elder daughter and i started running with my father and sixty nine we lived on ocean parkway and we used to run along there was there's one side for bicycles and there was one side for horses there was actually a bridle pat and we would run on the bridle path which was in front of our house but my father was afraid of us getting hurt it's far away from home so we ran back and forth just on our block until we made a mile and it was a whole mile that was a lot back then and i had wonderful childhood growing up in brooklyn it was just terrific i went to the local public schools and then i started college we were still living in brooklyn i started i was fifteen when i started college so my parents asked me to stay home so i but if felt fine you know i think it's easier for a girl than it is for a boy ok and i had a lot of friends and a lot of local friends and then some people in the dorm i spent a semester living on campus and then we've back home and we moved to manhattan i commuted from there and i had great time but i really had the seventy's in new york was a lot of fun i mean it was it was dirty there was a lot of crime but everything was affordable so you could do things you could go see the baseball games i mean sit in the bleachers again the stadium was like a one dollar fifty cents it was great you know go to concerts for twelve dollars but i really at some point wanted to get away so i went across the country to beautiful palo alto california and went to law psychology in political science ok and you had to know if you are becoming a lawyer always always want to be a lawyer my dad's a lawyer my mother's a college professor she taught psychology so we kind of did but my sister did the same thing besides you're your mom or you or your dad we use by television show like perry mason yeah i think everybody in when they st watched t v shows like that if i want to be a defense lawyer like perry mason but then quickly said no i don't think so so i actually never practice criminal law i was always a civil litigation as so i moved to los angeles when i graduated from law school because i wasn't quite ready to move back to new york and i ran into a friend of mine from law school who also lived  worked in l a and you know well we started dating almost immediately and i figured out pretty quickly i wanted to marry him so we were married in april of eighty five and both continued to live and work in l and twenty four i was tried for both about fifteen to twenty four really went for it did it did and then you know we were busy working and he and i lived in venice you know by the canals in l a and then we decided to start a family so i litigator and one day our rabbi of our temple in l a said to my husband you know i really think you should become a rabbi so my husband said wow that's an idea you know when he was in his forty's and he said to know what i think i'm going to do it so he had to learn hebrew you know really conversational hebrew and so he took a test and he managed to pass so that he could get in to hebrew and college and he moved to jerusalem to start his studies for the st year in july of two thousand and june two thousand and one and then in july of two thousand and one we moved to new york city so it was great to be home i still had a few friends in town and i had actually applied to run the new york marathon i had run a few marathons by then and in two thousand and one i applied and because i was an out of towner at the time i applied i got in very small back then i was under twenty five thousand  lottery so i had to train so i had to find a running group to train with but i was barely on the internet back then and then i went to a race in central park and i went to the very back because i was fairly slow and i heard people with beeping watches beyond before well you know i didn't really run much in l a and i got kind a heavy and i had two kids and i was working you know mommy track which means you know nine to five for a lawyer plus all the mothers things housework and all and in a very short time span in early ninety nine my niece was born and i went back to new york for that and then my mother had been diagnosed luckily incorrectly with cancer  had the operation it turns out it was benign but it was like six weeks apart when i came back i was a little startled that you know the juxtaposition of brand new life in new york you know in your near death i mean she was she wasn't sick so it was wonderful but i was going through all my mail because i'm the one who does the bills in the mail and so piles this high and i found something from aids project los angeles that said if you raise two thousand six hundred dollars we will fly you to washington d c put you up in a hotel and get you into the marine corps marathon so i said you know i'm not getting any younger and when i'm thirty nine it's time life life some predictable the marine corps was  my st and i trained with aids project los angeles which they bought the galloway books yeah they gave us the galley books and they told us to train the galley method back then even if you were running like a twelve minute mile they had you running five minutes and walking only a minute i've run for many charities i started i ran for aids project los angeles i run to raise money for prostate cancer i've run i ran for windows of hope for the survivors and windows of the world right after the world trade center i run for fred's team several times team for kids i ran for several times i ran the donna as breast cancer marathon the st national marathon to fight  and i did that when i read stover seven thousand dollars for that one as well i ran for the blue card which raises money for destitute holocaust survivors and then when the new york marathon was cancelled in two thousand and twelve after hurricane sandy i was living on staten island at that point in staten island had been devastated you know and i decided that i would sign up for that sixty k in central park and if i finished it i'd ask people for money t money for to staten island you have to do it for the best yes because what i had already asked for money that year i had run with my sister and we were raising money so i thought it's an important thing because it was it was a disaster and i actually had no you know i'd never trained for more than twenty six but i figured what the hell is long as i go slow enough it'll be fine and i did like completed in the little over seven hours thirty seven two miles i'd run a loop and then i would change my shirt eat something wash up go to the bathroom for five minutes then run another and you do nine of the inner loops plus a little more and you have friends running each loop with you so it's good and i race i actually sent out an email afterwards i raised thirty two hundred dollars which was really college here through two thousand and six and then when he was ordained he had a paul pit actually in california in salinas which is very beautiful and seventy miles inland from monterey and he was there for three and a half years and then he came back judaism and someone who actually has a congregation it's called a puppet a puppet rabbi to write so and he's been there since two thousand and ten and we love we love it there we love the people and it's wonderful ok probably a good time to kids so an empty nester and that's what made me decide to take a breather from practicing law and actually work in the nonprofit sector because i'm starting out and i do i work on staten island what's the name  work for project hospitality which is probably one of the largest nonprofit agencies on staten island and they provide a continuum of care to people who are homeless they provide anywhere from drop in shelter to transitional housing to permanent housing they do they have mental health services they have services for people with a for people who have substance abuse issues and we have a large soup kitchen and multiple pantries i'm in the administrative office i work for the executive director and right now i am actually doing two projects that involve volunteers ok so it's been very very johnson an amazing woman who started running the new york marathon at the age of sixty is that correct sixty and she ran twenty five straight consecutive new york marathon determined and but quiet and in her you know i thought i found she was lovely when we would be with her at the waiting for the you know the start when you're not the st wave you still have to get there really early so we sit down we sit on the cold ground in staten island for wadsworth and i've met joyce several times and she was very inspirational obviously yes and it was you know that's the highest honor at the galloway and we used to give out so we awards and we still do but you know there are several serious awards and this is one of them and to me it's the highest honor because the gallery group has been my running family since i moved back to new york city in two thousand and one and i'm very close with the people at my pace group and other pace group leaders and people i've known for many years in the program both in and out of the program people come in they go in they come back and we get lots of new people every year which is very exciting too it's been great and i was completely shocked nobody told me i was getting it and when i heard my name i was   but i guess i did a good deed this year because the staten island half marathon was run on the tail end of hurricane matthew and the weather was atrocious and i had already in advance said that i would have a branch of my house for people after the race and everybody was completely drenched and covered in mud and they came to my house and we had three showers going in the washer and the dryer and everybody gave people who didn't bring  was when d d moved to the whitman who had been running it before moving to westchester there was nobody to take over so consortium of us decided to do it as a team which had not been them before and i did that in two thousand and twelve in two thousand and thirteen and then i stepped back and because i live on staten island and i didn't know how i ended up making most almost all the runs anyway but i thought you know i'll let somebody else do it and i believe denise stepped up and it's been great they're wonderful in it the very diverse and it's been dive state as a pace group leader for ten years and i don't think i'll be giving that up  came up with a big breakthrough about two years ago when you determine that you get most of your benefits from the walk breaks in the st thirty seconds so a thirty one a show would be ninety seconds running and thirty seconds make a distinction between racing now when in your training this is a different kind of ratio yes the ratio is the ratio of your training pace so jeff has something called the magic mile calculator and you run a mile pretty much as fast as you can and then you plug that time in and it will tell you your training ratios for a five k ten k half marathon a marathon and your projected time in your and you exactly ok so say you win a nine minute mile and you think you're going to run then then he'll tell you what that turns into as america think it's like one three you have to add so you're probably going to run maybe a ten and a half minute mile for the marathon so then you have to train at a twelve and a half minute pace so then you take the ratio whatever that ratio is for twelve and a half minutes and that's your it really does work because it's predicted my race times within you know fifteen seconds for like a marathon and even the last hour i have some people get faster if bestially they start to beginning to do in a minute mile and you're at the end it might be doing dramatically better you know seven minute miles they could make the adjustment is exactly exactly and i did get faster over time i lost approximately thirty pounds at some point started running more and eating less and i started getting faster and in about two thousand and six i realized i was within striking distance of qualifying for boston i was i think i was fourteen minutes over and over the next two years i took it down by a couple minutes each time and i got to like four o four when i ran the big sur marathon shortly after my father died and i thought you know i really need to push it a little if i'm going to break for to qualify so unfortunately our father's past at the same month and right after i came back from big server was when your dad had  and when i came to the wake you introduced me to your other running friends a and that's how i met dave and he qualified for boston the following weekend and said if i make it i'll train with you and so we train lifelong friend if you have to run a twenty mile or and somebody else does too and you happen to see each other and you say how long are you going for he said twenty and then next thing you know you're talking for four hours ok when was your st boston  seven and eight minutes a mile and suddenly i couldn't break an eight minute mile so i thought maybe there's something wrong my breathing i went to a pulmonologist and he said no you're breathing's fine go see a cardiologist so i went to a cardiologist and he said you know you have a heart condition so i said what what's wrong with me and he said well you're a or ticked route is dilated it's too wide it's thinning and you're a order about of is at that point it was moderately in disrepair and now it's severe it's gotten worse over time and so blood will back up into my left and trickles so i don't get the oxygenation i need so i'm a little slower and more out of breath marathon in under two hours each year and once if i do that i'm satisfied with everything else and just have fun and i've still you know i've run forty marathons and that ultra and i've had the great great pleasure of running a marathon with my sister and running a marathon with my son both of my sons and jackie were separate separately the last goal is to do it together all three all three of  so he's when he when he gets ready he's going to be for real he was actually ready to do this one but he had gotten injured so it's been wonderful rights change my life you don't care if you work on star you know you love it so professional for yourself continuing doing more character right now i like the nonprofit that i work for however i'm thinking about possibly getting maybe specialized training to practice a different area law perhaps immigration law but perhaps there might be a calling for that here but i've never taken a class in there but i'm thinking maybe i should exit the house i'm really looking forward to expanding my horizons both professionally and as a lawyer and maybe doing something you know continue and i'm doing now at least  in the back of my head i think i'd like to do the other two majors that i haven't done i've run boston new york chicago and berlin so i'd like to do london and tokyo because they seem they would be really fun to do but nothing in the not in the not in the near future that's very hard to get into so i'll keep applying to the lottery and being and then we will welcome day you went to lottery that would be great but you know nothing any time soon or the new york this year will be my th new york passed away so you meet people from old world you do and i'm running the race too it's incredible the people you meet all over the york city marathon nothing like it the best marathon in the world different every year as you know and training is different every year and i love helping people i'm a feral ron are i don't read books about running i really know very little about proper training i just do it for fun but i've made mistakes over the years and i've certainly learned things and my you know accumulated knowledge i share with people all the time especially with to go away