welcome to our show lighten up your world where we talk about the teachings of the sons of masters and how they can help us in our daily lives the second masters are brothers and sisters from east and west and they lived here on earth like  has been a student of the center master's for many years and also is a teacher and a mother so welcome cathy to a show thank you ruth for having me here such an important topic and it's such a special topic for all of us to understand it certainly is and i know that abortion is creates a lot of division in our society and people have very strong opinions on both sides but i thought today that maybe we could  and just look at what happens before a soul is born well what people often don't realize is that we're here on earth to evolve spiritually and we do that over many lifetimes so that implies karm we sit down and we decide what we want to achieve in this coming life yes and usually it's about balancing karma and we pick out certain aspects of our karma and more importantly we we have very specific people that we need to  body with those are often our parents and then sometimes our soul mates when we have a mission that we want to accomplish so that somebody we want to match up with that some point in our life i can imagine the whole process is really achieve or whatever that might be and so it's planned out beforehand so what exactly happens then if it doesn't quite work out the way it's plump very good point so that soul the soul every soul comes completely prepared they work so hard before they come into embodiment and if the parents decide to abort will then the soul loses an opportunity for an entire lifetime you know there's a book us in the book that i read once by betty e t c saved by the light and in and she had a near death experience that she describes how when she was actually in heaven for that short time she saw  that was a young girl planning for the embodiment and then she came back and then when it was like seven years later she had adopted a child and there when it came to a certain age she saw it and remembered that picture of that so she had seen that she actually had adopted that soul and that was the one that so had been planning on having her for a parent so it's really important that that these things happen they can happen through birth they can these arrangements can happen through birth they can happen through adoption but we that soul does come with a plan so that's really interesting because usually we think of adoption that is sort of that the that even they know who their parents are even when they're going to be adopted but then people have free will and when they we plan and have it and it seems so easy and when we actually get down here in earth life is much more difficult to make happen the way we planned it so people have free will and so circumstances need to be arranged and and many times it doesn't go that way especially in the incidence of abortion you know when a when two people decide to abort a child that that fetus is already has that soul in it and yet it stronger ties because it expects the mother to a pretty disastrous for the soul you can the whole plan can get all changed that way and you know they can lose a whole opportunity of a lifetime sometimes and the other thing that that is important from an ascended master perspective is that everything happens in cycles our own lives though the lives of these souls trying to embody the whole world it's on a time table we're in time and space here in the earth continuum and and it's about cycles and we need to be on time for our cycles to pass the karma and the tests that we need to pass so so if you are a boat you miss your cycle and you miss the mission and of course it's like a peple thrown into a pond because the ripples presumably go out and affect many many people because if you think back about how many people we've met in our lives and what we've done in our lives as many projects we've done by the time you were you know we get a little bit on image and looking back and so it is you can just see what it what will do the ocean how it affects just not you all the image of family but many many people yes it can take years sometimes they say it centuries until that just that right configuration of people can come back together again so so so you know they really feel that frustration when they can't be born and you know we're in a situation today where so many souls are aborted it 's it's a really sad thing and have been speaking of that i this is a book messages from heaven that was written by a woman but her husband he when he died he was given the opportunity to communicate back with her and tell her what heaven was like sounds amazing it is an amazing story a toast to all the things he was learning and studying when he was in heaven so i think we have someone reading a story from that now a story about an abortion and john howell is actually going to be tough for us  our treat has large movie sized screens that are used to inform us concerning events taking place in the universe and to teach us lessons we need in order to move forward today we are shown the karmic records of an unmarried couple who have chosen to abort the child they have conceived on the screen we saw a young college girl and her boyfriend he is also in college but is two years older than she is the boyfriend has never considered any alternative  getting an abortion he does not want to jeopardize his studies or his future career by having a child to care for he has put great pressure on his girlfriend to have an abortion what she does not know that this is the second relationship in which this man has pressured for an abortion she is confused and very torn she would like to tell her family but fears that they might disown her or refuse to pay her college tuition by deciding not to speak with her parents she will never know what we can clearly see from our octave that though her parents would have been surprised and disappointed they would have supported her and having the baby and then deciding whether to keep the child or put it up for adoption this girl has been hurt by her boyfriend's attitude but she loves him though she believes in a woman's right to choice concerning pregnancies she is not prepared for the sense of life she feels within her with very torn feelings she acquiesces to his wishes and follows through with the abortion afterwards she feels the depression she has never experienced before the soul that these two were to sponsor is a lovely being who could potentially reem body for the last time but the child needs to be in a family with the father who conceived him in order to work out a very difficult karma with him this is now the second time that this man has caused this soul's opportunity to remember to be revoked this soul feels that his progress is being thwarted and his karma with this man is intensifying he does not know when we he will have a third chance to take embodiment ok so this story with about a man in heaven observing on a screen with others and an unmarried couple that that chose to abort a child and all the the anguish they went through trying to decide that especially with the mother or reflecting on that story it does illustrate how complex these situations are because as far as i understand it that the soul who was aborted had a very difficult column with the father and the father we know chose to have the child aborted twice and that kind of compounds maybe the resentment of the anger the soul would have towards the father because he wants the soul is desperate to cause him to in bottom and i presume the so wants to make amends with the father or what work out the difficult karma we don't really know what that was and then the opportunity is lost well it's not only lost ruth it actually becomes car more karma now that they need to work out because of the negative energy and the anguish that occurred during the abortion and all that so now when they have more karma together another five time they need to have and then the mother too that was very sad about how she felt so much depression when after she felt but the stirring of life within her and she was conflicted and then she decided to have an abortion and then she became depressed afterwards one good thing to know is that the angels that common take each of these souls that are aborted they take them to places where they are comforted and they sometimes take a long time to heal but they there are injuries that do that that is very comforting to and another thing about the story is that of course the young couple didn't know that the grandparents would have helped out and i know that very many people they have heavy hearts when they have abortions and they don't take it lightly and it's interesting but actually there was a solution out there for the couple but they they didn't open the door that's right and something people forget is that prayer works if it always works and it often works in ways we never expect you know god always provides a means especially to help make that divine plan come about and yeah and every soul that takes embodiment is important each one is important that's the other thing that matters here there isn't one that doesn't matter you just saw that once it's conceived it needs to be born it's all you know every single so and with disabilities is a call a lot of people with down syndrome is all reported but you say that that might have been planned beforehand and that baby with down syndrome might actually have a divine plan so oh absolutely in fact i personally believe they are often the most special souls if you've ever known any they come with so much love and they have a mission of their own and they they actually volunteer to come into those kind of bodies and into a very special so it's important to also remember that god is merciful and god is forgiving so when people have abortions or a woman has an abortion it just requires wrecked returning to that reverence for a life and making a new turn around there and then you're forgiven you know you can begin to serve life instead of you we don't want to think you know we don't want to point a finger of accusation on someone in that situation to do well i would i would want to tell someone that god in his infinite mercy always forgives and he'll provide a way for you to atone and first of all don't condemn yourself and john albert take on a sense of unworthiness i think that that gets us every time you know and god wouldn't do this and want you to do that and i and he doesn't condemn you so start by forgiving yourself and then look for ways to serve life to honor life to begin to reverence life that's that's the most important thing so there's a a  will bring about circumstances you know and that prayer and that and and also you know my own personal point of view is that i think people can send love to that soul that they aborted to help them heal also when you start you know that when a man and a woman together give birth and the father supports that whole process there's so much love there and bring so much foundation into society to a child would be in the way a wandering some subconscious level he just didn't want to deal with the child's infancy most ability is just that just my speculation on the well what i think rufe i really believe that we've all been deceived and i  don't think abortion is there an issue for the religious right or the conservatives it's an issue about reverence of life and we need to get back to that to just honor life and i think that the father in that story and maybe even the woman they just didn't realize how what they were about there we've kind of been deceived to not realize how important it is to begin ordering life the minute it's conceived yeah well that's a good point because even in itself includes having a reverence for life that's right and you know what that's at the heart of a true spiritual path and so many people today are finding their spiritual paths there they come in all different religions all different forms sometimes even outside of religion but people within their hearts are finding a true spiritual connection and it always says foundational upon that reverence and holiness of life and that why it has meaning and life has purpose and we're evolving towards a greater joy and happiness and an awareness of that purpose yeah so would you think would you say it was like almost a cosmic truth which recognized by many many religions that life begins with conception life begins with conception and it's a sacred adventure and it's precious and life is fragile we forget how fragile life is in the womb it's fragile but also for all and then it's true we just seem to rush through a lot of sin we don't we forget about essential what life is all about so how do you think the impact of on society if all these cycles are aborted how does that actually affects the evolution of society we always think we're actually going to make progress in society don't we but when you look round i mean i know there's a lot of people today who think you're thinking the country is going down rather than making progress and so if it's so many souls or both to does that affect the kind of progress of society like not thinking individually now but more like globally or if i'm from just nationally how to stop more work out there you go is so this is what people don't understand that the pressure we're all feeling this tremendous pressure and burden in society and throughout the world is because of abortion this lack of reverence for life that we're all walking around with its cars to enormous pressure and you know it just requires accountability and responsibility so if we decide to be sexually active we need to take responsibility that a pregnancy is a possible outcome it's that simple and reverence that that life if it chooses to embody you know it through that act you know that's it's a burden upon the whole world and in these times and and many of us who are spiritually minded are very concerned that we need to turn this around and i know i don't know the exact statistics but i believe one seventh of the population isn't here which should be here and if you think about divine plans which we talked about at the beginning and say someone had a part of their life was to get together the group of people have a scientific breakthrough in something and of course look at the pollution of the power of the pilot and the environment and i think we do need a few breakthroughs left is it just kind of me just going to fall out of the limb to think that maybe with a bow that has prevented some of these things happening i think that's what we've been told that there are ones with the solutions they're just not here right now and we need to get them here you know many many you know de and lovely people they've been deceived into believing that abortion is a woman's right or that it's lawful and you know when you really think about it do you think god would want that life taken out of you know   and also when that that so is relying on a child not just the store when it's in the womb but also as children they they rely on their parents they rely on their mothers to protect them to nurture them for a very long time and it starts with when that woman feels that stir of life right within them that maternal thing kick sand and it's it's not just with humans it's with all of life we watch it in all of nature where the the seed it needs to be realize what they're deporting they're in boarding their own on their own plan to balance their karma you know so many people are horrified today by the destruction of the planet by extinct species about the environment you as well as the color of the whole planet and so it's an ecological fact i suppose if man is the parts the whole world are missing that's right yeah that's right we don't realize what a tremendous burden it is on the whole planet and it would be lifted if people began to honor and reverence why yes so belief you have actually another book you want to show today this is a book called wanting to be born the cry of the soul by dr narrowly duffy and this book will explain all the things that we've been talking about today and a lot more that's good to know and i suppose people get into that book local bookstores amazon dot com the usual way some of the books are that we've talked about