organize being northwest psychic here the puget sound home for about the last thirty eight years you're also a practicing unskilled intuitive and right and you really are strong and significant just a fair they're going to expect popcorn and clowns or something and often they've said no can't use that word and i said you've got rape and robbery and murder and war and i said what is wrong they had their skirt around it i've i've been interested in this line of work for ages and i saw many skilled people there and it's nice to be able to bring them all became legal and got my license and about eight years later and they also broke through information on going to child work to me five years before i ever heard of it out there they said it would be very important work and so i really felt like that you know you're continuing to bring through whatever spirit says this now and really for it to be on the earth you also participate in the various programs and activities and close ups and things of that nature to do well some to some degree actually the pharaohs and i just had my fifteenth great grandchild recently and so i have you like as a child did you have gifts or abilities then we moved out on the mojave desert in california when i was three years old it was during the depression my father had done a lot of work for people around the area and then because they were of the loss of birmingham income they didn't weren't able to pay him and so we had up home sitting in a little one room shack out there on the desert no water no electricity and we lived there for ten years and but i remember i go out and play on the ladder and for chand i was on a sailing ship and you know face of the storms and during all that i hadn't been to a movie i couldn't read yet we had all these different you know not a lot of input like the kids today is like do and but i could remember being on oh yeah and it seems so so with important to just bring forth those memories so when i started to school i had asked other kids what if you didn't before you came here i only had one girl that would talk to and the rest of them thought that was pretty crazy i decided that well maybe it was but i had one incident i never could let go of and that was when i was four my grandfather bro and national geographic from the library and they were undercover in pompei at that time and i remember looking at him and saying oh that's for the mountain blew up and we all die and my grandfather looked at me and he said well a lot of people died and he says tell me about it and you sit down with me and showed me the pictures and i remember pointing at the picture of the mountain and think that's mount vesuvius that's the one that blew up and so years later when i was in doubt as to whether these were memories or not i always went back how at four years old with no t v or hardly any radio or anything in my background would i know the name of the mountain and so i held on to that when i was about twenty six i got ahold of an egg or k c book that talked about he didn't believe in past life or either when he was doing his work any finally came round about because of the work that he did so i've it's why i was still i'm very interested in our whole story life starts way way back then and it continues in between lives  here and now and so it's here you know it's all one life curiosity i think here also he was probably i've been cured as a kid i drove everybody crazy why this why that why something else but i wanted to know and years later when i have by children i thought what can i truly give them that's going to be a benefit for them it's lasting and i thought to help them develop their curiosity would probably serve them the best just long as you want to know something you're still out there you're still doing it and then of course at the fairs i'm around so many nice people and like minded people and that adds to your energy as well as all of your psychic and to the bill would be nice is such a large part of your life from when you were very young to today how you would like people deal with them i think everybody has psychic ability as some will notice it more than others and i really say stay to your own truth you know don't let other people go on and kid out of something if you know what you know what and hang on to that i think it's really important to stay to your old authority and you don't have to try to convince anybody out there can lunchtime and i worked in auburn and there was one hundred seventy six men on the floor that took care of the machinery there and i was in the schematic library and charge of them but the only woman and so when they would come in the morning they would give me such an awful time about the books that was written and called me a witch in all kinds of things you know and and so but during that year that i was there  they would sneak in by themself later and they would say i never have talked to anybody but you know i've never told this before but when they would tell me a ghost story or a time when they felt something they a body of they'd been a number of different things that happened to them and then if they would walk out the room they would say but don't tell those other charities the fellows that i knew fairly well i said you know if you turkeys and talk to each other you find out that it's pretty common for everybody to have had some experience of some sort so fun from time who stood out in your journey of self acceptance and discovery during the time that you were growing up and as an adult because we were out there on the desert it was pretty isolated out there my mother had been raised catholic my father had  very strict methodist family where they went to church three times a week and they had both kind of had it up to here i had a book about jews as i had some other information i was always interested but there wasn't a lot of other import when i was forty years old my father i was already living here and my father had retired from california and they moved up here and i found out that he was clairvoyant and i said well that why didn't you tell me you know and he said because they called him crazy when he was little and so he learned to shut up and he didn't want me to go through that experience and i said well i went to school blabbing about past lives so they thought that was pretty crazy if when do you feel that you started to truly accept who you are and your abilities i always was very open to them and with the just the feelings there were hardly any books around years ago and when i was forty eight i went through a divorce that i didn't want and i was heartbroken and still had two children to raise i had four altogether and the other two of had already married and just trying to stay stable so i could be a good mom to those kids  really sent me on a search and it was like now i've got to push for and they said looking for books was difficult in those days this wonderful now you go to the grocery store you go to the drugstore true united church for a while we had a marvelous minister there that was teaching you how about a new thought and from there i learned about lois mitchell who was the first channel that i ever many years and finally became their director when they went to hawaii and i kept the place open for another two years after that i was the director is there a specific philosophy that you have today of your abilities or gifts just always seeking more information and looking where you could find it i think you know so it was a general thing i wasn't a real cut off date but i was the children grew and got older i had more time to pursue more things and that helped and because in the beginning i thought i remember saying god was this the only thing i'm here for is to raise children and some of the neighbor kids that were always coming in because they had run away from home and my kids and said well you can from the mom's house it was several gives around from time to time but then if i was able to really pursue  the studies as they wish to this is separate from a religion very eclectic very very eclectic the christianity i've touched into buddhism studied s for a number of years i was with another lady that was an excellent channel and she brought through an entity called bellwood she will who got a group of us together and charge us every do when i i was so excited when i found out that all religions have basically got the golden rule because it's a basis for each one of them they don't all pay attention to it but  there and it's something that's coming through all the major religions in the world and to me to be a quick pick and pull from wherever i think the only true religion for anyone is someone that they gather and pull in for themselves do you feel that you have a life mission not particularly had expansive continues to expand as i get more information there's more things to do i've been during the past life regression therapy for there's ways to help release that and the guy just said that when you can take yourself to a new level of consciousness you can actually a race the karma so that can be done it's just fun to know what your personal history is also did know certain people in your life who they were in their and other chimes and what was that way that we interact with each other how has all of this impacted your perspective on the ups and downs of life if somebody doesn't have some sort of a belief system even if it's much different than mine i think would be very difficult to do this earth like i think it's important for us to have something that we believe in and something that leads to this and then it continues to expand and so and all religions serve a purpose because they they you you learn what you need to learn and maybe you'll stay there that whole lifetime but maybe you will also expanded pick up by the room for mission and i think it's just a part of an evolutionary group what would you want for someone today who's growing up with gifts well i think and listen to them because it's individual and i've worked with many people that had they were good enough to be sankey graders out there in the world but they hold themselves back because steak or some other very horrible things that have happened to them in past lives one shouldn't face that fear and say that was then this is now and we're not doing that to people anymore think goodness  individuals like you are saying that you have held back well keep your own counsel i think that's important i think it's important for us to take time just sit quietly i mean learn to meditate of course this wonderful prarie both of those are center yourself and be still for a minute and ask yourself what do i need to do now and you'll get the feeling she'll get answers and you know whether you're a long time meditate or not you'll start getting those urges in those feelings and it's important to listen to them do you think the children of today are the same or different than they were when you were a child i was forty when i found out that he had been psyche because whole life and he never he used a lot of his abilities but you never spoke much about it and so you know it's throughout the centuries people have had to use the abilities from time to time but the children that are coming on the earth now many of them are wide open they have many terms form the indigos the crystals and now the rainbows and they are very good souls and each have their own journey that they need to go through and i think it's nice that there's books and movies and tapes and things for them to explore and look into what would you recommend to parents who have these white  i've had people show up to at the psychic fairs and bring in a little child with them and one in particular the the child has seen things that was frightening  think she was about eight years old and the father would definitely want to get her to the medical doctor in the psychiatrist and go through all of that and the mother said no no i want to take her to this fair he thought that was crazy  and so were you able to come and i was able to help them find a reader that could show the child what it was she was saying explain to them and she goes wonderful now and this is happened several times because you know all we need to know is get more knowledge and more knowing what do you feel you perceive about life that you would like to share with others i think that there's a lot of chaos in life right now going on on our planet and you know things that can frighten us a lot but fear is if you look at it and you get the knowledge and what to do prepare yourself for where the years and the rest of it is enjoy i i think to me it's like you know we are continually shifting and sorting information and if we are open to hear and don't be gullible and swallow every single thing as god speaking it's not but it sure openness like oh well that's an idea i kind of like put it on the shelf for a little while and then if i hear more information that is that are greece with that and you get two or three of those and you feel like there must be some truth here to this but you know occasionally there's stuff that comes out and you feel like no this is not and i call it my b s detector you know years ago we are not bodies for the spiritual we are spirits having a human experience and if you go back to knowing that you are spirit you've lived before question do you feel that you have a supernatural life or a human experience life well for years i like to always take the rule out of the supernatural you know to be of like the good scare of the good or that's frightening and i don't want to look i don't want to know or anything to me it's all natural have a super level and that's human experience that's life you're here for a while you know you're in the physical body for a while but you've been here for thousands and thousands of years and if you just get in touch with that part of yourself that you are a spirit continually evolving i think you know you so through it and it makes it even the challenges out there this when i remember when timely and very upset because i had worked for two months for this person and when it came time for them to pay me that they were supposed to every two weeks they left the country and i was without any any income or money to pay the rent and i sat there and since i've known how to handle it it was a friday night and rent was due on monday and i finally did the the lord's prayer and i did it three times and it said and i remember it saying that you know this maybe things from the from the teachings were this too will pass and it does and i think that's important but it also was said give us this day our daily bread with jim same thing about next week spread or next month spread it just said our daily bread so i went into feelings of gratitude for everything that i had and are looking at the pictures on the wall and i still had a roof over my head and i still had electricity was still armed and just gratitude years later i found out that some marvelous tool to use but an after nine o'clock i had a stranger call me and said are architect has been in an accident we heard that you could maybe help us i had no information out there saying that i was during architecture although i had been for a number of years and how they found me and we never know but i was able to work all week and give it to them  i had money to pay the rent on monday it was one of those wonderful miracles that just happened and i think it's keep the faith you should rightfully be proud of yourself thank you as you know that i had such a wonderful impact on so many people through true life as a mentor and as a friend and i believe the way i see it that you do are you beth and i thank you for the opportunity of the big bear it's been wonderful and there's the fares expand and new people coming in we've had some marvelous people that come into my life just because i am and