it was through the new york flyers i learned that dr you had percent at the new york road runners or about skincare for athletes over he has done a blog for the new york flyers about skin care because such an informative blog i knew i had to have or see one of the flyers and she's a doctor thank you well let's start with the ones that are how to  learn about that obviously i love to fun to talk to because they have so many different aspects of running the course the skin care is extremely important for runners because we're constantly outdoors and i think it really happen organically often when we're in the corral before race you know some people will you know commentary we'll chat and we'll ask what each of us does and when they find out i'm a dermatologist philosophy called the skin question and now i give talks every spring as well as every like winter dermatology closed society as well as the skin cancer foundation we had a huge r v of us here in columbus circle and we're doing skin cancer screenings all across the country so that was quite fun oh that is so people just lined up and yeah it was it was raining the  and it was a skin cancer so in terms of you know the things that we can do we save a lot of lives yes yes well thank you for doing this it's a great service well let's start at the basics so  so we recommend that patients who are you know the general public get their skin checked out at least once a year just a full week like from head to toe to make sure that you know all their moles and everything like that but you should go to ones because i move would a go and i remember the first time oh dear only one this doctor actually took among the fine glass and he took his time to examine every i think every poor situation so he only has an assistant teaching them so i feel i feel ok stowing a better job because you got to show this other person what to look so we felt good about that kind of skin care so depending on the doctor you could have a very different experience on how your skin is exactly i think everyone has their own way i have my own way where i tell patients you know you have to sit like this i have my own system please like let me think go head to toe and i'm like your former notice a new mole on my leg oh you know something just popped up it wasn't there before and it didn't look a regular it just wasn't there before and the funny thing is when i tried to show it to the doctor what so when we see singles especially i will say that the males will come in when it gets really really bad when they can like you know stand out and they have to go see a doctor the woman that first and then that explain what he did wrong so was he fair skinned or fair skinned ok so a lot of people have this misconception that oh i'm just going to be in the sun for a little bit and then by the time they don't realize that it's runners is you know shot glass so don't be a stingy bartender you want to use an entire cup full the shot glass of sunscreen higher but what i always favor spray is that's interesting that you say that sprays may be very easy to use but ak in actuality they don't penetrate as well and for little kids you know parents who tend to spray their kids with sunscreen it can also aerosolized get in the eyes so i would highly recommend using a lotion or cream for poor kids particularly in kids and adults too because you know we can always make the mistake of like trying to spray their e and then run outside and realize it hasn't penetrated penetrated good and in terms of s p f we always think the higher the better i always tell my patients s p f thirty is my minimum it's more important to reapply than go to a higher s p f so if you're outside for every two hours you must reapply and for runners i will say like running with a sunscreen stick so i actually brought one here this is actually kind of cool it's a love stick but it's not a lipstick comes out like this and you just all over the face and then you go out for your own host like there are different tools there are so spry but but it's funny you say you know what they did to the reason i like  spread is i wanted to keep my hands clean and then you cut the stick and then i was also reading if you're doing your face sometimes i just always better gel and they all are different vehicles i would say you know you for the sunscreens on the protective clothing cool bar is one that make you the clothing and they also make hats as well i will tell you a funny story much to my chagrin i was in the maldives over thanksgiving break and i did in the indian ocean it's close to sri lanka so it's very close to the equator and it is very destructive in terms of you know how much sun exposure i want to get there and i was covered from head to toe i was learning how to scuba dive and you know of about it you know you should have to do consciously probably helps to have a friend you know you know what you said of course and you know help each other out you know that's a good story you tell because i remember another story a friend of mine i think he was in israel and he got on the bus and he was wearing a short sleeved shirt and he had and this person said hey i can take skin how would that even work i don't necessarily recommend that there are certain people who don't love their moral than the want to get them removed cosmetically obviously the first concern for myself being a skin cancer surgeon making the especially during this time of year during the winter when it's really cold outside in your gearing up to go outside make sure you waste or i keep hydrated so it's really important to you know make sure that you keep your skin like well to strike white powder really think with some of the new old one the newer ones that i really love and recommend for runners is called out to m d f u v clear a very popular goes on nice and clear so will the test of a good sunscreen for myself is can you get it in your eyes and still from the washington d c area i did most of my school going up in boston and guess how i really got into running was because one of my shorty sisters unfortunately passed away from brain cancer she was an avid runner she was the great athlete and before meeting her i had barely run three miles so one one of the things that she had always wanted to do before you know during during her you know when we were in college dermatologist in college he was probably the father of dermatology his name is thomas patrick he was my dermatologist and he actually put me on mazing medication called accutane that i still use in my practice but your skin looks so good and they said yes but i went through a similar thing like you so so what inspired you to go and it's easy to tell what you feel because of your technology personal experience with my dermatologist a couple of other mentors they've really made me decide to go into the specialty ok so what was your degree from mit so i have a b s in biology biology yes then you went to medical school i went to medical school ok yes all right and then how did you discover it because we introduced you as a member to new york flyer so you already run or you know you did the boston marathon for the charity so you must have enjoyed it because you want to i do  then it was probably one of the scariest experiences of my life i will tell you from someone who had never even run like three miles before to running a full marathon you know i was very committed because i was doing it in memory of my sort of sister but you know i was scared i was unbelievably scared you know in the training process but somehow i got through it with a lot of like support from jack fultz who was a former winner of the boston marathon and dana farber group i was able to go through with the training plan and come please it and after that i just got hooked when it comes to new york so i came to new york  they have runs every tuesdays and thursdays and there's a marathon training program going on year round that i participate in yes there are great great organizations so have you done any marathons and join the flyers i've