y's annual spring fund drive is underway or right now and we're asking for your support of our grassroots community and campus radio station you can become a sustaining member of the radio melissinos society becoming closely involved in its work or a one time donor just because you like what you hear join all of us here as we talk about community radio and your valuable support go to c h l y c a for more information this show and we let the previous show run a little long as it was set up to do because that interview with elizabeth may was so important and i hope our listeners heard all of that and the one before it as well as those who are very very good this is one reason why you listen to c h oh why yes of course we are now in the second week of c h o y's spring fund drive we'll be talking more about that during the show today but one thing that we're doing as well is having well we used to call these round tables because we in at some point during the show as well before we get started though we would like to mention something that we did say last week on the show but this is ongoing if you pay a pl in any amount to c h l y by monday april thirteenth and say that you listen to changes and you will be asked about that you will be entered into a draw for a  gold passes for the cascadia poetry festival which is coming up from april thirtieth to me third that's fifty dollars worth of tickets for a donation in any amount to c h l why so we thank the cascadia poetry festival for that we will draw for those tickets on the april fourteenth show which will be a poetry matters show so we'll be looking at all of the paid donations that have been made by changes listeners up to april thirteenth the number that you can call to make that pledge is two five zero seven one six three four one zero you can talk to big g there are a couple of other people out there as well or you can go to c h o y dot ca and click on the big word donate that's right across the screen for information on the cascadia poetry festival you can go to  poetry festival dot org just in case you win those tickets there is another list of prizes that we will be mentioning later on in the show that have been provided to the station and we'll let you know about those a bit later but let's start off now by hearing from marjorie stewart marjorie good morning good morning and you had thought that you would discuss a topic that i think i think we all need a little boost on this one happiness i think thinking about happiness ever since i became apparent i think maybe even before that but when you become a parent you have to be prepared for your children in your questions you have to have the answers before the questions and say well spent next week so the first time i came across a really good definition of happiness came from th white the author of the children's classic about the young king arthur the sword in the stone and he said happiness is a byproduct it's not something you can get by pursuing it i'm sorry to those people who and surprise surprise so the notion pop up in the popular novel i was reading the other day in which somebody said well you won't believe it when i tell you what i think happiness is i think  is when somebody figures out what they're good at and then they get to work on it so to me happiness is bound up in a sense of self worth which is the fundament for all human comfort  and development seems to me that's a good definition for success as well oh it works and it's also an excellent definition for a long life i think it's the reason peace activists live years longer than other people  i once observed that i knew a number of people who were in their eighty use some of them verging on ninety and more who were very healthy and robust and energetic and they were all people who were very self determined if you would and they had all done work in their lives that was of their choosing and their creation so i think yes i think i've so to me happiness is a state of mind and i try and kind of differentiate it from the quick fixes of gratification by just calling that pleasure fix and a pleasure fix it it's too quickly over to be much use and it doesn't really add anything to your bag of tricks whereas if you're in gauged in the world you're constantly learning and constantly able to transfer your learning to everything you do so that's where i'm coming from on happiness but there are a lot more angles to the issue and one of the places where the issue is boast brilliant they dealt with it is a charming little documentary called the happy movie and if you want to learn a lot about happiness today check out that video or get really friendly with me because i have a public screening copy of it all and what the help people if it does is it explores both current knowledge about happiness and extraordinary case histories it starts with a vignette of a person engaged in what you would think would be one of the worst job so on the face of the planet he is on foot rick show puller in the old calcutta train station and the story of that is that those people have maintained their job because they're afraid they'll have three sides and it gets quite wet in the rains he says you see a smiling neighbors and he says i'm happy because i have my family and my neighbors and when we get to the components of happiness you'll find  that he's right on the money there he is happier than many very wealthy people i know who are still wondering why they're not happy after all there are billions so another place that i found very very interesting discussion about happiness and about a person's worldview which is also something that we need to talk about because if you get your worldview wrong your whole life is going to fall apart but another place i found fairy go to advice was in a book called the sacred depths of nature but a woman named ursula wait for it good enough her name actually is putting those two words together good enough and she is a professor of some kind of biochemistry and she's very interested in religion because her beloved father was a free thinking christian preacher so she is trying to reconcile the metaphysics of religion with the realities of the science she understands and the best part of it is she comes down to saying people have to s fundamental needs and those needs are for joy and relationships and i kind of translate joy into x to say that that real free  excited delight that you get wherever you couldn't people get it from music they get it from being out in the woods they get from being done by the ocean that's joyeux nature is a huge component of joy and that is an absolutely fundamental need for the human psyche and the other one is other people which brings me to the other component which the buddhists will be waiting for which is in order to be happy you have to be a nice person you have to be the best you can be and mindful and respectful of your species and not be selfish and  amber and he comes every year and i'm so sorry i missed him this year the romero event he quoted somebody is saying this was you see a long time ago if you want to know what your ethics are check your check stubs and today we would say check your credit card statements then that'll tell you who you are quite quickly well perhaps your investments too if you're one of those who has enough money to have those if you can figure them out the last time i discussed investments with a financial advisor with my husband to he looked at us in despair at the end of the discussion and said all that's left is the alberta hydro so it kind of stumped at that point it's very difficult to find ethical it has been so it's better to try to get rid of the money in a good way quickly and tell your children firmly that as charles dickens pointed out it's not good for young people to have great expectations it's very bad for them and  actually that leads me to a question about donations we because we're talking about donations on the show today perhaps well i know that some people  leave considerable money in their will to nonprofit organizations charitable organizations that they value and it makes a huge difference in the small of the organization of course the bigger the difference  of course yes yes so if you have any interesting donation stories to tell that would be an interesting thing for our fund drive well where donors and we don't do monthly withdrawals because it's terribly complicated undoing them you can certainly undo them and bank one tend to them for you so what we do is we figure out what it would amount to if we gave a certain amount having and we give it in either in post dated checks or in single amounts periodically but my favorite donation story and of course we're encouraging people to donate to chile because chile has all the aspects of a good organization to donate to it's local it's doing something that nobody else is doing in the community it's involving community it's creating community community is one of the places where happiness recites so here's my story alan i love years the vancouver opera does world class job in opera and for it for years we treated ourselves to seasons tickets so we jump on the ferry get on the blue bus stop at the y dump and they'll walk across to the queen elizabeth and so on and for a couple of years there we were offended because in what they call the surtitles up above the stage writ large was goldcorp foundation major sponsor goldcorp gold core gold corp everywhere you looked so that year when we went to the romero event they were discussing the bad behavior of canadian mining companies and so help me we turn to each other at the same time and said how much do we spend on those who are protected and we wrote a check for that amount to write section canada which does good work on mining particularly in latin america and a letter to the opera association explaining precisely why and withdrawing our support so there is an idea for you listening to the trends you are it if you are in a few find yourself in a situation like that of course the recipient of your revised donation idea could naturally but you find to toto over the years years later people tell you oh did you know that i was at this place and you said that and that influenced me or i was once told by somebody here my daughter's hero i didn't know her daughter so it's not about knowing it's not about measurable outcomes it's about that happiness thing and when you donate to c h l y there are people out there who need to hear what see a child is putting out its wide range of programs and they need to understand that any amount of support is good and if you happen to be making out a will put an amount in there for c h l early if you don't have children even if you do have children as i said that we've told our children many many times don't expect to inherit amounts of money because you need to get on with your lives and anything could happen by the time we leave the b c government might have got to hold our money just keeping us alive as old vegetables so that piece of it and i do encourage people to go to the website which is written the happy move dot com and they'll get a lot of great the it's for people to have look up and for books to read and for ideas and i've got a lot more to say about happiness if you have the time later in the program indeed ok that's lovely perhaps at this point we could mention just another thing that you will be talking about well you  have somebody from food share coming onto your next show and where else but c h oh i can we have so much in depth information about going to organization like that we'll be talking about th recycling exchange in a couple of minutes which is another example of the kinds of information that c h r y can provide to listeners so maybe you would like to mention just briefly anything that is going on right now with food share well next week next thursday chef from local repute is going to  cook a meal for fourteen people from a surprised books of local ingredients and he's going to do this at the request of lucky liquor store country club mall so that's that thursday between seven and nine the tickets are expensive but it's a three course gourmet meal fifty dollars for the tickets and franoise aim is to attract the attention of those people who are interested in good food and localize their diet and at the same time explain to them if they are drinkers moderate drinkers i hope that they can get some advice from the stuff at the liquor store about int beers that's a wonderful thing for a local business to be doing for a nonprofit society and that maybe you could give the contact information for people to find out more well i'm sorry to say the best contact information is just to get to the liquor store because two of the fourteen tickets have gone already and i don't have advertised it for more than a day or so but you can also telephone to foot chair and the receptionist there should have some information that's two five zero seven five three one three one three and what a wonderful treat to get something that is so special and this is a pilot project because in the future frost would be quite interested in doing this on a seasonal basis he and i had a little conversation this morning about kale because growing up in scotland i thoroughly loathed the vegetable kale but it was stringy and and horrible and i like spinach i really did like spinach so the new kayla's that we're eating today that we can grow in our own backyards are absolutely marvelous you can eat them or all you can eat steamed with a bit you will perhaps be sticking around and talking a bit more as the show goes on but now we would like to thank those who have called in and also definitely those who have used the donate for more on th website c h r y dot ca and we have of course that c h o y a many examples like we just mentioned of local businesses supporting c h l why i am and you can of course purchase a business sponsorship a business mention and that will go on the air once a week our wonderful staff actually put that right on the traffic law get the time when you want it to be played so that we the programmers know to actually put that on the air it's the whole thing that goes on behind the scenes here at c h l y but we also rely very much on donations from members and individual supporters you can of course purchase a membership for twenty dollars if you haven't already and i will mention as well that you probably know that we do receive funds from vi you student fees those account for less than half of the funding that comes into c h l why we'll talk in a few minutes about why we need those funds but in the meantime i'd like to mention some of the other prizes of course we have the two tickets to gold passes for the cascadia poetry festival and you can actually look at our podcast for last week to get a little more information on that as well but c h l why is also having a grand prize draw that will take place on may eleventh every person who makes a donation during the spring fund drive and pays that pledge by may the fourth will be entered into this grand prize draw and there is a package here the c h o y's summer sound festival vacation package this is all one priced two passes to the otolith festival aug twenty first and twenty second in new clue let for more information on that you can go to o t l i th festival a two passes to the atmosphere gathering aug fourteenth to sixteenth in cumberland that is founded atmosphere gathering dot com two passes to the vancouver festival july seventeenth to nineteenth in vancouver the festival dot b c dot ca plus a subscription to b c musician magazine and you can find out more about that at b c musician mag dot com so that's just the grand prize draw there are actually others as well and if you've been listening to the fund drive you've probably heard about those two but now i would like to go on i just mention as well though the goal for this drive it is quite a doable fifteen thousand one hundred one dollars and seventy sounds took me a while to catch on to that if you could believe it but i finally cut it we're more than a well over half way to that goal and we're just a bit over halfway through the drive we now have a total and i'm not sure when this was last updated of eight thousand and ninety five dollars and seventy cents so we have the seventy seconds so let's keep those calls coming and see if we can wouldn't it be fun to make that goal exactly and we already do have the seventy cents the phone number to call is two five zero seven one six three four one zero there are people there now who can take your call we've got big g we've got steve and one or two others or you could go to c h o y dot ca and click on the big word door nate which will take you to a page that has all the information that you'll need about becoming a sustaining donor a sustaining member  thank you so much to those who have already made their contributions no let's turn to travis barrington good morning good morning now travis you have recently been to a couple of at least one for whom we're really switching gears here from how to be to something very practical and down to earth so tell us about what happened yeah it was is an excellent discussion to get us started and yeah this will be a bit more practical but i think it's work that people find happiness in for sure as well and people i've met at these conferences are doing a thing they feel passionately about so it's definitely bringing that side effect of happiness to a lot of people i would think so yeah the last two or three weeks or so i've been lucky enough to actually go to three conferences one in newest minister for the  c collectors which you've heard me talk quite a bit about on my programs here so they won't go too much into that one that's multi materials b b c yeah who is just our new regime for recycling yes for curbside and everything and i guess feeling i'll say about that is it was nice to hear from collectors all over b c who are facing some of the same challenges we are at the n r t and in denial about that system so hopefully with that feedback things will be improving so that's but i'll go into all of that one as really the other two which is i went to ones that were more in the vein of happiness and people doing what they loved and luckily for me they both happened to be in and around the bay area they were both in berkeley california so tap it is just didn't self to go there again as for me i got to spend a few days around oakland in berkeley in the bay area and even a day in san francisco riding on a bicycle around which to me is a very big key for having this is a bicycle so that's something i really enjoy but the two conferences were one was put on by the zero waste youth usa and i will give big mentions to my freddie who are very important members of that group and they came up and i know for our joe is an october and that's where i met them and found out about their conference and special thanks to emmy for hosting me at his house in oakland while i was there and they put on a very wonderful conference or they called their convergence actually at the birth of the u c berkeley campus i was lucky enough to be able to speak there about the n r a and some of the things we're doing and it was a very inspiring conference because there was a lot of focus on youth of course a lot of students university students high school students and young young people there was a lot of great ideas and i would say the most inspiring thing i heard of from there was called the post landfill action network or the planne to some people i know of the hopefully getting them involved and how it started it was during the move up period one of the campuses alex was noticing that all these students are moving out of their dorms they don't necessarily have time to do the proper thing with their couches and t v s and microwaves and futons and lamps and on and on and he was pretty disgusted by all the dumpsters overflowing in the area so with the help of some of the school  faculty they rented a storage unit for the summer collected all these things that were in good working order store them and when then in the fall when students were moving back in sold them or donated them back to the students and it's the same coaster they were going to go as you put it the same futon they were going to go to wal mart to buy anyway just been in storage for this one month oh oh what a brilliant yeah and actually no brainer kind of i do you know rain or when you actually think about it yeah that was this network does it puts together the resources they've got deals with some moving companies to rent trucks and things like that on discount so they can store these things and like i said they're in about twenty campuses across the country now which is a very  small fraction for the united states but they're growing all the time and that's his full time job now and it's definitely inspiring and bringing it for happiness as well so i'm going to promote that to view you and maybe  campuses around and that was the big one from that is you're always on things for sure yeah yeah yeah in addition there was the northern california recycling alliance a recycling update which i was lucky enough to be able to stick around for as well some really good things coming out that was more of a focus on professional initiatives and and cities in the city of oakland surprisingly doesn't get a lot of press when you talk about that area a lot of the glamor goes to san francisco and berkeley with the university but oakland is actually launching some very progressive solutions for their ways problems with organics and waste diversion and things like that so it was very interesting to place to visit as well as  with a very large i believe it was thirty thousand square foot covered building for all the things they housed a lot of construction materials and that and they're like the n r a a private enterprise that doesn't receive funding from local government and they make it work as a profitable entity and recycle and reuse an awful lot of stuff no spoke with them at length try to get some secrets to success so when you say private do you mean a like a business a that area and just in america in general with health care and medical and all that we see that cig citing to think that a private business could actually make enough money f recycling and reuse said marie purposing and so on to add pay decent wages and benefits that tells us something about the value of doing that inspiring visit to to go see see it in action as well yeah yeah so it looks like here you came back with some things that can be applied right here in our show we say our broadcast area because we we cover more than just the certainly i think of the s o s in parksville has being an excellent example of reuse and repurpose thing because they've got a very good thrift shop a very big one actually there and your thoughts about going to the universities to get them to start that program that's really great yeah that was one thing that i was very very impressed with and you have this freed a very well spoken young man finished university and started this group and put it together so yeah i would like encourage everyone to check that out it's the plan that works host landfill action network oh i are regional district of new ny more recently sent a news letter to everyone's mailbox inviting us all to participate in an online survey through their website at triple w dot r d n dot b c dot ca the deadline for that is a parole fourteenth can you tell us a bit about what kinds of information they're looking for and how they'll use it yeah i'm not officially working for the r t and so i can't speak to their desires in that way but i did thanks to you actually i didn't get a letter in the mail i actually heard what the survey from you when you sent me a list today so i went ahead and did it out and there's a lot of interesting stuff in there following up with the solid waste management plan which i spoke on the last program i hosted with charlotte about troy davis from the city and they're getting some feedback from people on a few things and they're still holding advisory meeting meetings as well on this so the survey mentioned a few things about expanding services for construction and demolition waste increased organics pick up might include yard waste from homes if that would be good if there is strong desire for it is also mentioned if people do willing to pay increased service fees for an banded services so kind of those things going hand in hand as well as concerns about illegal dumping especially in forested areas and environmental concerns with that so i would encourage people to go and check it out it doesn't take very long to complete and does ask for a few things feed back on what facility you use the n r e is included in that as a private operator so if i could you know that when he does use the n r you could put in the work as well as you include in zero waste on the survey and ask things like is this no landfill is this no burning is this no wasted energy in those sorts of things so i would definitely courage everyone who feels strongly about these things to participate in th going it's also a few rooms for spaces for comments of your own on the survey which feel free to add what you like i suggested more pickup and stronger guidelines for multifamily recycling bin with the gap in service right now but yeah great kind of stuff for excellent travelers thank you so much for coming in today and we'll see you again we hope later in the spring i know that you're very very busy yelling workshops with schools right now  there not they a lot of teachers get to thinking about my workshops which is great for me it's a lot of fun but yeah it does me quite busy this month but we will see you eventually yeah and i think you may have a bit of news to announce at that time you know where it's a little soon right now but you'll have something inciting to yell us when we see you again yeah i'll say right now as jan hastings i get your director who i've spoken with on this program before is working very hard a and there will be some news and developments with us excellent maybe you'll have heard come on talk about when and when they happen thank you so we'll just mention of course once again that we are in the midst of c h o y's spring fund drive and i wanted to mention a few reasons why we need the money because of course most programmers on c h l y are volunteers and we do receive less than half of our funds from vi you student fees so what do you need the money for anyway and actually bob simpson our station manager has put together a wish list and this is very very important we need to update some of our equipment the c r t c is requiring us to purchase same urgency broadcast equipment and that's going to be costing us three thousand dollars we need to upgrade our security system we need to upgrade our computers we use computers more than you might imagine actually because we use them for editing among many other things editing programs that is they are in need of upgrading or even replacement we need some technical upgrades for the studio that we're speaking to you from right now and also our new production studio which we have managed to put together and that's where we record things like the business mentions that our local business supporters help us out with and we were looking at probably a cost of two thousand dollars for just those kinds of upgrades to our equipment we need some better remote broadcasting equipment and that's going to be about fifteen hundred dollars that so that we can go out into the community and broadcast things we always need office equipment you know chairs and things and microphones and headphones and things like that and various other things also a backup studio transmit or link because we've got an antenna that our signal goes to and it sends that signal over to coddle hill to our transmit or but if that to antenna on the top of the building here should go down we are off the air so we need things like that those are the kinds of costs that a community radio station has even when the programmers are volunteers and much of the support is done by volunteers as well we do have also of course as you know a small but very dedicated staff who do have to be paid and they perform essential functions behind the scenes that it would take too long to go into now but they do important important work for us and we need them so we need to be able to pay them just as travis was mentioning earlier the the organization in oakland that can actually pay its staff well and give them benefits that's the kind of thing that we need to be able to do to so we're going to go  on we now have jason coupler one of our librarians on the radio who has joined good morning jason welcome now i know that the library you are one of the staff of course at the harbor front library downtown here and you are about to close for renovations on thursday of this week is that correct sorry tentative closing date never anything anything i'm going to say let's just keep in mind that it is  our close last day of operation before the renovations and the regular library is tomorrow it first and that is not a joke it's serious and the first day that our temporary pick up drop off location which is located in the old c t v space are soft opening more aiming for one o'clock on thursday april second so that'll be open from one to five that day again that's tentative and i heard shots are patrons to keep an eye on our website and also call the ranch if they have any questions on that and then the tentative date for the temporary computer space is the middle of april and more information will be coming up on that so that sar round the fourteenth that is the target date for that and the hours of that will be tuesday to saturday one to four and patrons will access that through our current staff door were having a window put in there and there will be signage indicating that that's what's happening and it will be half an hour maximum one to four i think eight computers stations is what we're aiming for so just to give people that the rewiring us for their  space will be the drop off pick up a small space so we just didn't have this the room for computers in there and that's right next door to rove the library exactly yeah for anyone who's read out and then just to the left of the entrance to the c t v space is our current staff door and that'll be for the temporary computer space so again it will be clearly marked and we'll be setting up this p c area in our old work room temporarily during the renovation oh excellent so we're not going to be completely without library services it's just that we won't be able to go in and leaf through magazines we're six inside the library and look through the stacks and that sort of thing right but there's still you know you still can browse online you still have the wellington and then and i'm on north locations and i still talk to a lot of people in the harbor front library that haven't been up there yet and that's an amazing library so if you haven't been there and you have the ability to get up there and highly recommend checking it out and that you know i i actually ran into a person yesterday who did not know about that library so it lets mention the location so that well it's right on library of course is still there as well and then all you know all of our online resources as well and in the computer space from one to four there there will be a library in there that can offer a reference help as well as when i'm in the  space i can help people out with you know whether it be requests or a reference information and also the stuff that will be in the c t v space they can help people order request books there will be an old patrick in the c t v space so people can look up and request books from not and also still a couple of self checkouts as well when when staff are busy with other patrons and that is face opac so yeah so it's our dog nonpublic catalog oh all right so people can go off to the computer and they can look up books and still request in that space oh good oh good so if you can't do it from home but of course you can easily go if you have a computer at home you can go to vi r l dot b c dot ca and make your requests right from your home computer right in our phone number will still work for that space so people can call in and request books that way if they wish as well and they i don't think i've mentioned the hours of the c t v space so that'll be ten to six tuesday through friday and ten to five on saturdays so just ok tuesday through saturday is when it will be open that's right oh ok same with the p c space tuesday through friday ten say because there's a lot of things dependent on that and i think as we get the information our communications officer will be putting that out through different means whether it's the newspapers or or maybe as i get it is like release information it can be done on the show either just  absolutely yes contractors might not get a shipment of something universal that you know any things could happen would you like to highlight any events that are coming up at the other branch chooses well i think we'll be doing some of that on our radio show on the seventh the next week i know that we're celebrating canadian poetry month i'm currently working on trying to get a special guest still i was even working the phone so to speak before i came in today if that falls through then we've got enough content with the special media fights next week and and all the other things that justin and also family are doing so if i can secure this another big interview then it's still going to be a great show but we'll see as time i do not have that information until the end of the week so listeners can keep an eye on the changes facebook page to see what happens with that yes yes good thank you for mentioning that yes because kim will see that information goes up there yes this media fight is going to be around poetry i gather so that should be interesting it will be a little different it will be for sherry i'm looking forward to that one and i might even have a guest that ties into that will again will see i'm i'm hoping for the best but again if it falls through there will be lots of of other things yeah other things going on there you've had some fantastic stick response i think from the public to some of your shows with the hockey players and a few others as well can you think of anything off the top of your head that you'd like to share with our listeners just because this illustrates the value of c h really in the community bringing this kind of information to our listeners well for me it's sort of it started in two thousand and twelve with the idea of this and we're brief way starting in january of two thousand and thirteen we're on the sweet and sour variety hour  sort of a woman in amount of time fifteen minutes once a month and then it was then actually anthony martin who had talked to suzanne about getting us on changes for a longer period of time and i think just him person our facebook page that's right so is kim that had worked with that anthony on getting us on changes and it's really evolved from there are a big change that's happened since the fall was just on iraq coming to the harbor front branch and bringing his background you know in broadcasting with him and really getting me excited again about about the show i mean not that i ever really lost excitement but for a while there i was doing it all myself and when i was on gabriel i didn't have as much time for it so i think it's really volves since justin's come on board with the podcasts and he's you know he's doing the podcasts for changes as well and then he's and he's created the librarians off the radio presence in our website so i give a lot of credit to justin for crowd things of really evolved and i really feel like things have kind of been taken up a notch and we've been inspired to go off her arm interviews like scott weiner back in december and  recently or in welsh and then i think we've seen the stats on the downloads of the podcast really boost and as well as having those those they're young guys from the clippers back in january as well and the great thing about that too is just the partnerships that with you know with say the clippers they're doing a lot of promotion themselves as well and then a lot of the people that are involved with the clippers i think were downloading those podcasts as well from the billet families on the player contour another level and it's really exciting that's great we are really quickly running out of time here is so i would just like to thank jason cuff learn from the librarians on the radio we'll see you next week thank you marjorie stewar donate to c h l why it is two five zero seven one six three four one zero or of course go to c h l why dot ca and click on the big donate button and that is our show thank you so much for listening on behalf of all of our production team