welcome to new connection where you can tune in and grow i am your host vicky thompson you may be familiar with new connection magazine for conscious living which is then enjoyed by readers in the pacific northwest west for more than seventeen years now we're excited to bring francis who are the founders of the seed of the soul institute through bestselling books in workshops this dynamic couple teaches people worldwide how to create authentic power learn how you can bring more joy into your life mov feel how much you work to create a take power but just like anyone who starts out in a business you started out as a small time author and you had a book seat in the soul and to your surprise it became a new york  all i actually wrote a book before that called the dancing with a master's right which was about quantum physics and i'm a non physicist but i became fascinated with quantum physics after i was invited to a meeting of physicists at the lawrence berkeley laboratory and i asked all the physicists there to help me present physics and that's that's how i started writing and i loved it then in one nine hundred eighty nine i wrote a book called the seed of the soul and that was a book that was very special to me and continues to be and it did pretty well a lot of people bought it and read it but around ninety eight or two thousand oprah winfrey and i started to do a series of shows and we did about one a month for about a year and a half and that just exploded the state of the so three million or six million people read it and it was one of the greatest joys that i have to be able to share about authentic power in this way i had no idea when i wrote this book that so many people would be interested in it but i do realize vicki that it is not so much my ability as a writer or what was in the seat of the soul it was it was what was in the seat of the soul and it was also the resonance that millions of people now have with what was in the sea it is in the seat of the soul and that it's the discovery that a new human consciousness is being born and in a surprising way with surprising potential but the big news is we're in new territory now and it calls for awareness and it calls for responsibility that's the message i feel that made the seat of the soul so wonderfully wonderfully popular with oprah and with so many readers so how are we each contributing to the change of the human consciousness the change is happening we don't have to make it happen this is an expansion of our perception beyond the limitations of the five senses we're starting to become aware of ourselves as more than bodies more than minds we have another sensory system intuition is part of it having a sense of your life is meaningful is part of being able to know things about other people that your five senses could tell you is part of that we don't have to develop that it is happening but it's bringing with it a new understanding of who we are why we are and what power is we used to think of power as the ability to manipulate and to control that doesn't work anymore it's now counterproductive and new understanding of power is emerging with multisensory perception that is the alignment of your personality with your soul and that means with the highest part of yourself that you can possibly reach for the part that wants harmony and cooperation and sharing and reverence for life now how you contribute to that is entirely a matter of your choice and that in fact is what linda and i came to talk about so you talk about a multi sensory human being how is that different from just our five senses and how we perceive the world physically when you have a hunch that you should have a certain guest and maybe you shouldn't have another that's multi sensory perception when you look at someone who looks kind but you have a sense not to trust that person that's small tie sensory perception when you have a glimpse that your life has a meaning that your life is not random that's multi sensory perception when you have an experience now and then of encountering someone even if it's a rider on the street car and in a moment in that moment there's a meaningful connection between you that you can't understand but you know it's real which the when when i met you i had some multisensory perception some intuition about that there was some connection being made between us that i did i didn't understand and so i wanted to follow that and i also had other experiences when you were speaking at an event i had information i was getting information about you and i think that that's a really good example of information about you opening your heart information about you being right to be in a relationship things like that that i was feeling given that i had no way of knowing and so i think that's a good example also of multi sensory perception it's a wonderful example yeah and when you receive something that's meaningful to you when it registers a some way it's for you to decide whether or not that is worth your paying attention to or ignore because you can see something that's multisensory for example and then decide to ignore it and like a dream it will fade away you might remember that you saw something or experienced something that was meaningful but you can't remember what it was or you can register it you can make a point remembering it and thinking how can this help me what is this telling me how can i use this how can i use this to contribute to the world how can i use this to challenge my anger when i'm angry or how can i use the next time i'm in a power struggle and i don't want to be relating that way to the person i'm in the struggle with and so what you contribute to the new human species is for you to decide you either now begin to grow spiritually which means create authentic power or you don't if you don't you don't get judged by the universe but you don't try to have the frightened parts of your personality which means the parts that are angry jealous vengeful but feel superior the need to p all of those continue to do what they're doing and you continue to encounter the painful consequences so it sounds like in creating authentic power at least you offer workshops it's also a part of the books that coauthored together and i think you're saying it for bestselling books that you've gone on to write and you've written together it's authentic power what is it and how can we learn to create it and be more authentic in the world together is basically changing yourself rather than trying to change everyone else so if you have parts of you that are angry or jealous as carrie was talking about in my case i felt very inferior to people many people  gary when i met him so i was really needed to change that in me so i could give my give so i could do the things that i want to do in the world and that's also a good example about so what i did instead of those parts of me that felt inferior or that felt jealous control me anymore i became aware of them and i began to change them and me began to challenge those parts of me that were doing that and it was it's really such a  i would get jealous and blame the other person it was their fault because i was feeling that way or if i was feeling inferior i feel like a victim rather than changing myself and my life continued along the same path so when i began to change myself everything began to change and i began to change parts of me that were in control of me because i wasn't aware so i began to really practice being aware of my emotions being aware of my thoughts being aware of my intuition knowing the difference between when i had a thought that had to do with fear and i thought that i had came from my intuition i thought they came from a loving part of me so i began to change my life that way so in other words that's creating up into power and that's exactly what we teach about authentic power is the alignment of your personality with your soul and that's what your viewer saw on the screen now what was learned how it was what linda said related to aligning your personality with you soul in every way for example when a frightened part of your personality that's angry or jealous or vengeful are frightened or superior or inferior is acting how can you create harmony how c you share from your heart how can you cooperate how can you revere life instead of exploiting life trying to take from you kept so in order to align your personality with your soul you need to become aware of all of the parts of your personality you have to eliminate all of the rooms in your marriage and decide which ones you're going to completely reducto rate and which ones you're going to keep the way they are  frightened parts of your personality need to be decorated they don't serve you want a lot of the loving parts of your personality the parts that are patient caring gentle considerate grateful these are the ru keep and to cultivate and to make better doing that is creating authentic power so when you set the intention to create authentic power every part of your personality that doesn't want to that gets angry that feels jealous that judges others the judges yourself i'm so stupid all of those come to the foreground of your cautiousness for you to challenge and you challenge them by becoming familiar with them that's where emotional awareness interest th picture you use your body to see what they feel like so you can recognize them you recognize their thoughts you recognize their intentions after a while and then instead of doing what they would have you do and what you have done have visually do something else do something constructive other words if you feel like withdrawing emotionally stay present consciously challenging that part of your personality while it hurts  but instead i can control myself enough to stand there in trouble rather than say something because i'm determined not to speak and that's a phrase that i went through it's a phase that everyone goes through coming f with right part of your personality that is painful in the moment had not doing what it wants to do cautious because you don't want to strengthen  that work for you because you talked about when you met gary so it sounds like you had did you meet gary when he was giving workshops and you were a participant you know gary gary had written the dancing willy masters which i read in one thousand seventy nine i hadn't met gary then about the book was really really important to me and especially when he was talking about what physicists were talking seeing that was so different like they were saying that everything is interconnected well i knew that inside me but i'd never talk to anybody about it so it's wonderful to read that book and for many reasons and then when i read the seat of the soul in eighty nine i picked it up because i saw gary's name on the book and i thought anything he writes i want to read it so i picked it up started reading it and it was so amazing to me because what was in the book was exam really what i knew what i knew inside was so for me but i didn't know i didn't know how to actually practice how to create authentic power i knew it was the right thing i knew i was multisensory i was beginning to learn more about that but i wanted to really create authentic power all the time because i was still pleasing i felt inferior and so when i met gary i felt so inferior i didn't think i could even speak to him it was really difficult for me to do that because i thought oh he's written all these wonderful books and who am i to even you know speak to him and he was at an event giving a talk when i first met him and i when i knew we were being connected as i spoke about earlier i chose to challenge that part of me that felt so inferior i decided i was not going to let it run my life anymore so i went forward to see if there was anything to do in this relationship and we decided we would create a spiritual partnership a partnership between equals for the purpose of spiritual growth and as you can see partnership between you calls means i had to feel equal so i was really working on changing that for me and it was so amazing because we began to really live what was in the seat of the soul we get to practice it on a daily basis all the time changing myself rather than trying to manipulate and control gary when i'm in a power struggle instead of blaming him saying i need to look at me and why this is going on in me so that i can be connected no matter what is happening so we kept working and working with god and then we wanted to share it we wanted to share with other people i wanted gary to be able to share things and then i began and then i began to see that i had a gift to be able to support people in experiences that would allow them to understand more about themselves to really create authentic power in their life so again working together to do that so that's how our workshops began because we realized reading a book is fantastic it's wonderful but to actually experience and practice and deepen your practice with other people who are doing the same thing is that is the very best that's why we do our workshops but we also do a three year program we've been doing for about eight years now and it's been the most besides my it's my spiritual partnership with gary that's that was amazing you know to begin to grow spiritually that way but this program of having people ongoing really working on their gro for a number of years a fact they didn't want to quit three years so people keep coming on because it's so exciting to be able to work together as a spiritual partners and i've learned more than i could possibly imagine from having interactions with gary and other people that are my spiritual partners in credit spiritual partnership there's the intimate partnership but then there's also a friendship that you create was that it was who you're co creating with through the absolutely in fact it's it's a really it's it's more than a friendship because often when people use the word friendship they really mean someone who's in agreement whoever's in agreement with me but i'm really talking about being able to say things that are difficult to say saying things so that you learn about yourself like if you see you're angry with your friend you look at yourself and see what's going on with you or if your friend  something and you see something about them that can help them to grow then you can talk about things like that rather than just kind of pushing everything under the rug so a spiritual partnership you're right it's not just an intimate partnership between a man or woman to people  it's more than that if i have we have spiritual partnerships with our children our grandchildren and other people because it's so important you know to be able to grow together and in an authentic way so if you're talking with a spiritual partner and you feel that you're saying something in love do you know that you're speaking with love because sometimes we can feel that we're speaking and that someone can have a totally different experience of what we're saying well that's when becoming aware of your own emotions is really important you notice what you're feeling inside your body as you're speaking and if you have frightened parts you know a part of your personality come up that really have a second agenda and that's why you're speaking to them and you don't notice it in your body and maybe maybe you don't think you don't notice a body if you have a spiritual partner and they notice that they can bring it up to you which is so great because maybe you don't see it but you want to but you just it's so familiar to you to act like that you don't notice it so that's when a spiritual partnership is so helpful because if you're in your search a partner can say no i'm just wondering if there was a might be happening to you and might be helpful for you to consider there's always a good way that you can tell whether they're saying something that might be helpful if you get irritated or annoyed or defensive or reactive that's a signal to you oh but you just heard something that could be helpful for you to look yeah that's a big change yes yes anyone can experiment with that that's why then to and i don't pres anything as a dog or a belief system that we say we want you to accept but only as a way of looking at the world we've come to look at the world and we offer this way of looking at the world for you to experiment with take it as  become a scientist of the soul the seeker of truth see if it works for you and if it does then use it be responsible for using authentic power by the way is an experience of  moving fulfillment gauge when in the present moment you lack for nothing you know that you're alive for a reason you know what you're doing has to do with that reason you are fulfilled and fulfilling that is the experience of a c many people have had it briefly transiently maybe writing a book like i have sometimes or caring for a sick friend or producing a television show and you know that you're an athlete would call in  musician would call in the group or an artist would call working with the energy of the work but you know that you're doing what you should be doing there's no fear present that's authentic power had it can be created on it going  that is our new evolution path that is what we came on the show he said and that's exactly what we share with people that's what we teach that's what we that's what our life is about so how do i get that how can i get i think take part of your personality but the operative dynamic is always you intervening cautiously and otherwise unconscious process and changing the course of your life changing the consequences you create in the east that's called karma becoming an artist in your life that practically you you know we teach that we teach very simple tools yes to support people we give people guidelines and we also offer ongoing events and things on  website that support people that are are our workshops and events really support people for instance we have a five day event in portland and i actually had a mt hood that we do every summer and july and that is such a powerful way to work with with everyone because we had to work together on our spiritual partnership teach the tools practice the tools deep in your signature of spiritual growth and then go home and practice and continue practicing it with the guidelines that we offer and the simple tools that so exciting and ongoing relationships with the spiritual partners that you meet and that you create an arc and you at your home it's something simple that our viewers on the on the home page there are spiritual partnership guidelines printed prep amount and read them and if you resonate with or put them on your fridge on your mirror carry even your purse carom in your wallet and they have to do with commitment with courage with compassion with cautious communication actually they have to do with developing emotional awareness and making responsible choices knowing what your intention really is that was a question you asked earlier how do i know what my  tension really is when i'm saying something like doing something so that would be a simple first step go to seat of the soul dot com print the spiritual partnership guidelines read them and then begin to experiment with those that resonate with you if they all resonate with you experiment with all read the books like the seed of the soul and the heart of the soul emotional where do the exercises about what to read and read the text and then is a wonderful with them i recommend that to everyone else these are steps you can sometimes it's in different different locations where we give our workshops and up to check on our schedule on our website but the thing is if you print a print out the guidelines what can happen is that they chip check with their intuition and see what guideline they might want to work with that day to just see what is it that they would really support me right now in doing what i need to do next to deepen my spiritual growth here's a guideline one of the guidelines is take responsibility for my experience that nobody who i'll think about that has a chance it's a challenge to a frightening part of your personality because most people feel that when there are experiencing difficult experience or emotion something outside of them caused it and they try to change that person or situation so they will feel that painful emotion the longer that is the pursuit of external power that's manipulation and control that's what doesn't work any longer if instead you look inside yourself at what has been triggered not at the trigger but what has been triggered in you have become familiar with that and challenge it so that no one will be able to trigger in the future that sounds like it takes courage to look within and to see if you triggered then that you you have the power and the strength to look inside until lemony those rooms in your castle that may be kind of dark and i don't go there