my next guest is on the maison jury he's an international speaker consultant worked with sony apple all the major institutions he's also been a speaker in demand at harvard for years in a row with all of that he's on  my focus as a consultant has been on producing results and when i look in the world twenty years ago i saw that their results phillis that i didn't really like hunger war poverty and i thought can i do something about this and then this idea popped into my head heaven on earth and my first thought literally when i when i when i popped in my mind was you can't say that you can't say heaven on earth you know i was like whoa whoa whoa but then i thought well wait a minute i can talk about hell on earth can i why can't we talk about how i have been on earth and that's when the notion was born and these last years have been abo refining that and getting that message so crystal clear that people can get it instantly well you well known to people for cold water and chicken soup for the soul were you got this book published twenty languages from oh finally somebody is talking about this i get it all the way to blank new subject and everything in between and so my work over these years has been about how do we get it across in a way that you're not threatened by it you don't think it's impossible all of the misbelief and misperceptions we have about the kind of world we want how do we set that aside and really look for what is heaven on earth for you and how can you begin bringing about so the essence here phyllis is not that i'm going to impose what heaven on earth my definition of an hour ever on earth on you that's proselytiz rather what i'm about is evoking what heaven on earth already exists in you and giving you permission to take that out of the world in in a way that's simple and easy and elegant for you to one of the more difficult questions and i noticed maybe people have not asked me this point to share into our very problem on earth the fact that we have conflicting notions on good that's a very good question if what you're saying so actually let me let me go deeper into what you're saying from what i'm from what i've heard from people we can't talk or i can't talk about heaven on earth because my definition of heaven on earth might conflict with yours and so the fear is that conflict would arise and in fact what happens is not that what happens and i'm going to go into this a couple seconds with you i asked three particular specific questions that get people in touch with heaven on earth what it is for them and in a room when they stand up in a workshop and start sharing that it's so profoundly moving so for me heaven on  could be ending hunger and for you it could be about bringing more love into the world i'm making those answers up but rather than going look a little you know it's about more love now it's about ending hunger knows the no no no that's not going to go anywhere my job would be to support you and what heaven on earth is for you and your job is to support need it what heaven on earth is for me now that doesn't say phyllis that there are some crazies in the world you know who want to get rid of jews or get rid of blacks or get rid of muslims are yes there are but there are the vast minority of the world i want the vast majority of the world to be in control again let's take your wonderful book that you created as part i created the way i did because it is a journey it is a workbook it is a strategic book it's a a book to engage you in discovering what heaven on earth is for you and get you into action on that so when i looked at the structure rather than just talk about heaven on earth and open that possibility for you which is nice but it doesn't get you in action so the book is full of questions and inquiries and statements from other people about what heaven on earth is for them and different gateways there are eight major gateways that i've discovered so that you find this is my heaven on earth project whatever that is for you and you start acting on that because it's the acting on heaven on earth it's the bring about heaven on earth that is you know somebody said the other day to me heaven earth is no longer a good idea mar and i thought that was a good way to say there are some individuals who have a good sense at least from my experience of their personal heaven on earth is being devoted to that enough or do you need to have a consciousness about having heaven on earth or others brilliant question of the anyone there asked me that i take you where you're at if heaven on earth for you is about i have to get my life in order right if heaven on earth for you is i have to end hunger in the world and a suffering or make an institution or a country were great where ever it is for you that's where i want to support you that's where i want you to begin because the more people we have beginning the more people really what this is this book is about in this work is about phyllis's changing the story of what it means to be a human and what it means to be humanity ten fifteen years ago we heard a lot of conversation the current story is not working we need a new story we need a new story we need right but nobody named that new story so we stopped hearing that kind of language i'm suggesting that the name of the story is we're experiencing in co creating heaven on earth i'm inviting you and i'm asking you to discover what that is for you and get going on that let's you know i get the beauty of this i get the excitement is i actually want to play you know but right now you  must be evil that you can only have darkness you can only have live if you have darkness all of these concepts are very rooted in our religious constructs maybe not one single  almost all of that religious groups how do you deal with this idea that you have to have the bad in order to have been good which seems to be a fundamental belief it is a fundamental i think the fundamental fundamental belief is underneath all of them this is not heaven on earth and it can never be and so we put things on like it's impossible for me i'm a man i'm a woman i'm a canadian  american today is tuesday so i can't do it here's my background you don't understand all the reasons we can give for not engaging with this and so there's a chapter in my book in which i look at all of the well not all of them but a lot of them and say look you can either be right about it can't happen or you can get on with beginning to make it happen and that this time in the evolution of humanity is the time when we we have the power fearless to co create a story we want for us as humanity that's what's so powerful about this age that we're now in that we've now entered and so if that's accurate and i say it is then let's declare this as heaven on  at the misbelief the misperceptions i think the fundamental one is this is not heaven on earth and we can never have have an honors no matter how good things get this isn't it we were kicked out of the garden we can never go back and i actually address that in the book that yes we can go back and i looked at the three abrahamic religions and they don't say we can't go back and it's it's it's really fascinating to me so yes you can throw up any argument that this is not heaven on earth and it cannot be but what you get out of that argument is to be right and and so what you're right that it can't be that to me is not exciting that doesn't engage you that doesn't have you contribute in service to yourself and your family in your country in the world that's what i'm interested in you being of service now you are you i'm leashing your full creativity to have the kind of world you want in touch with a lot of the big influencers in our world you have spoken to some of the most elite audiences around what kinds of honest reaction do you get  offering and hopefully i make my argument hopefully they engage and i'll tell you the three questions i ask is i think it's important at this point the interview there are people who get it instantly instantly and are in there are people for whom it's like forget it we're not going to do this it's stupid it's ridiculous it'll never happen and there are others who are tweak just a little bit but as you know i keep speaking about this over and over and over and over in multiple benyus and partly what i want to do is just make the conversation about heaven on earth a normal conversation and there are other people who are it's a rising in the world now there's a as in a wife couple in hawaii who have done the heaven on earth video contest i don't even know them a guy and lou in the louisiana who's written two or three books now about heaven on earth and i met him online as well so i think that that mimi that's thought form is coming in to our world right now and so i know it also is going to take time i can't and i don't want to impose it on you i wanted to be  arise organically within you if it makes sense you know if it resonates go for it what i'm actually looking for guidance because i know my own personal sense is when i sort of see something that i want to convey that may be off the beaten path it does take a little bit more courage to do that yes a lot of what i'm looking for from you for this answer is what do you do you say kindness is one of the things you do but what do you do when you're talking to that or do you really want to have them see what's yours but you know that there in this other world this very sophisticated physics notion they need to know that in no way do they have to do this and because that's my own integrity because it's an offering it's not a have to it's not assured and i have no idea once i place the seed you know when it'll spread forward maybe never maybe tomorrow maybe the next day i don't know but i know i just have to just keep putting it out keep putting it out the second question is how do i forty five myself i for to find myself by seeing the suffering in the world and seeing that what's more important than my feeling scared about bringing this topic up or feeling scared that you might you know dismiss me put me down think this is a stupid idea i look at the suffering in the world and i think that's much more important to end than my feeling of being frightened i don't recall but the beginning of the book there's a story about this young girl that i met the book is dedicated card to her some other people as well but she had been in brazil she'd been burned with cigarettes all over her body she was catatonic and i had a little toy and i reached forward to give a tour and she she withdrew and i didn't know what to do and i so i just i sent her thought i said look i'm really sorry that this happened to you you know may you have a better life and she really really impacted me you know the suffering was so horrendous that i decided to write  beginning of the book and dedicate the book in part to her because i don't think that suffering is necessary and i think that's the driver for me that suffering is not necessary and what can i do how do you get this is not just your typical how do you how do you get into well the whole the book up and would you read the title please what is the title say project heaven on earth  i have an earth so it's project heaven on earth as in the state of being and project heaven on earth is in the state of doing so being doing so that we have heaven on  and i think you know with the second question i ask you if you had a magic wand it could have heaven on earth what's heaven on earth and that magic wands very powerful because it allows people to not have to know how they're going to have have an honor and so if they don't have to know how they can go purely into the what and when you listen to what people know that they already know that they want for heaven on earth it's so moving the book goes through eight different gateways that i've discovered having asked people over and over and over and over again here's a magic wand what's happening on earth for you so there are patterns to the answers i didn't expect that go i don't know what the expect going in has your life changed from the point you started to now yes a lot i think and it continues to change it the space of heaven on earth and me continues to expand and expand and i see because it's becoming more normalized three guys myself into it guys get together we can on the phone just you know like a men's group talk about our lives and one of the guys one of the guys got it he's and that's it the other guy was well known and then and then after about a year he started to talk about having our as normal as we're talking about marshmallows and he didn't notice that but i noticed that so part of what this does is normalize the conversation i wanted to be as normal for me to come up to you and say fellas can i ask you a question what are you doing for heaven on earth and you would answer and then we would go to lunch or something well it's certainly become you know part of my mission i'm very happy to share i haven't gauged this moment might have been on my view is that there's so much wisdom to share in the world and there's so much not share my vision is to make sure that all of this wisdom is available for people and can be gotten over the airwaves and not the only one who feels this way but we have been taking advantage of the true use of media ending suffering because that is clearly one of the gateways and to have an honors when i found phyllis is that there is what i call a keystone suffering that is a suffering that really really hurts you in the world it could be ung poverty war whatever that one is for you if that's your gateway if there are other gateways but let's say this is your gateway the reason it's a keystone suffering is because the acts the suffering that really bothers you and the keystone of you as you know in an archway is the last stone that's put in and it holds all the tension if you take that keystone away the entire bridge collapse of the entire arch collapses that's what people feel about their keystone suffering and this particular suffering and all the other ones will collapse by that's point one point two is when when they look at it it's like oh my god it's too big it's too overwhelming i yeah what difference can i mean all this stuff comes up and so let me just tell you a little story because this is exactly what happened to stories or to actually two women one woman named brenda mackenzie a real estate agent we're talking about sufferings in the world and she said i said brenda is there suffering that bothers  said yeah homelessness real estate agent of course so i said what's heaven on earth for homelessness and she said well obviously martin a home for everyone but that's impossible i'm a real estate agent i work eighty seven hours a day i'm in a relationship that takes another hour hundred hours a day bomb obama finest i said brenda stop what are you going to do and she was like oh she goes back to her real estate agency ten ten agents sit them down and says we're going to end homelessness by providing a home for everyone easily here's how when you sell a home or a building i'm asking you to agree to have one hundred dollars come off your commission would you be willing to do that everybody said yes that was it that's all there do is say yes once they have raised one hundred forty thousand dollars in the last five years they ask community groups or individuals to put in proposals about a home for everyone and the jetting committee is made up of the ten agents plus one of their clients so twenty people collectively each year decide where that money goes so here's something that was completely overwhelming there's nothing i can do i hate homelessness if you stop there the only thing you do is be right if you look at the tiniest little action you can take to begin to end that suffering you're in the other quick story we're talking about violence against women and this woman said it's terrible in my in my county have been in the police i've been in the government nothing what would you do i don't know you could donate five thousand dollars you could donate a penny what difference will a penny make one of the other if this is a weapon on the call set what  if people in your community donated a penny a day to help and violence against women she went oh my god they started a program called making change in which they handed out a little mason jar with a picture of a woman bright alive light coming out of it i only want a penny a day or more they raised twenty five hundred dollars this was in canada they then took that result to a group indicating government cost and some women who gave them get this  hundred thousand dollars for each of the subsequent three years now she says anywhere i go people say what can i do so you can't get stopped by the thought it's a thought that the ending the suffering is too big if everybody believes it's too big we're dead affair if everyone says oh here's what i can do here's what i can do we've begun the momentum you are married my i am  she's been amazing you can see it moves me you know i took many many years to write this book fearless i would write go away it clear you know and i'm not clear on some have to go back so she was with me she kept supporting me and it was difficult for her a couple weeks ago she said you know sometimes i have to tell you the truth i can't stand it sometimes the time would have been honored i need to leave the room was quit was great and she said that but when i when i send her or show her results that are phenomenal it's how can it not be moving to any human being so she's a she's very proud she's especially proud that i did the book she knows what that means to me one of the other chapters in the book another gate way is institutions and it my contention is i want the institutions of society to take their rightful place in co creating heaven on earth what if the purpose of business was to co create hemmer's the purpose of religion the purpose of government for this is interesting for many people the idea of an institution taking its rightful place in co creating heaven on earth is m ore impossible than having having honors and that's because of the the deep misbelief we have about our institutions being agents of have an honor but i had to write about that i had to say as i know there are people are beginning to think that way all right i'm going to take on government i'm going to take on my country i have people who have taken on their their nation as a heaven on earth nation in croatia denmark hungary austria mexico and when i asked them it's interesting i remember asking the woman in austria was a heaven on earth for i asked you like wow why and she said well because it's simple and man did i shut up after that because for her that's a simple act for another person it could be just putting their definition of heaven on earth at the end of the email they're both simple acts in their framework ok fine which is one of the things i've also discovered phyllis is that there's an elegance to people's contribution simplicity and or it's organic it's like oh i can do that one per week they all said yes and she asked them and i think if you ask a child you know here's a magic wand you can have heaven on earth watch out they'll tell you they know let's end  discussion with three questions one more time well we haven't even asked the three questions but i ask you again i'll ask you so question one is recall a time when you experienced heaven on earth what was going on you don't have to remember this if you go to my website project heaven on earth dot com they're there there's a free seven day course and of course there in the book question one again recall a time when you experienced heaven on earth what's heaven on earth for you  magic wand and with it you can have have been on earth what's heaven on earth for you and question three what simple easy concrete steps will you take in the next twenty four hours to move heaven and earth forward