people the author professor shlomo sand is a professor of history at tel aviv university know us jews today biblical claim the land israel palestine i'm joined it's my pleasure welcome returning us to more politics dr abraham so we want you thank you very much the invention of the jewish people was a bestseller and it was praised and also it received a lot of criticism why is any why is the inquiry into ancestry of jews today such a hot blooded topic i think it's important because the jewish people themselves are going through or what some people call and very little proof so this is true and and that even the basis of the history itself coming from the old testament of the bible which is the written by the jewish people themselves and that in itself is something that is of interest because that it's like a conflict of interest you can write a book and then say that we are god's chosen people and we have the right to this land but in a court of law i think that's a conflict of interest when i got the very large number of them who are not even believing in god professor sandra very eloquently exploited a lot of the myths and the the exodus is an example you know three million people forty years in the desert and there's no many spouses also converts so conversion is not a form of concept and probably according to shlomo sense was widely practiced through different periods three major periods of conversion the berber the north coast of africa from egypt although it's a little cold in the book he brings up the which which seems to be a very volatile topic among jews because zaria conversion this is  the thirteenth century and then they migrated into eastern europe and move in gold with other settlements of jews coming from western europe and the not just convention but they were also incident select for example in the russia we don't see like movies or books in the west here outside israel that tim's us how they interact with each other within within the community they live and i hear the from a friend of mine who visited the country there that said supposedly ended up with a new one and we've talked about the bible as history now let's talk about today there's a great effort underway to use genetics to establish  being jewish comes from the mother so genetically that means you could have three grandparents that are not jewish but if your mother's mother is jewish you're jewish you become the you know the other way around then you're not professor shlomo sand motivation was in opening this hornet's nest trying to discern jewish ancestry and really finding making the point that the palestinians that and it's very obvious and you find the play minister of israel coming to america and telling people that the israelis willing to make painful compromises by giving up some of of the one thing took on that all in the area called palestine so the people who stayed there the whole time who really were there the whole time were the descendants of david and solomon who never allowed who didn't wander who were a declaration of independence perpetuates this myth history professor cience points this out but let me read this this is from the israeli declaration of independence after being forcibly exiled from their land the people kept faith with it throughout their dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it what is wrong with that declaration of independence like we just mentioned  after the french revolution and the french of evolution with the form of beginning of nationalism in europe so the zionists thought that when we need to write this we've of nation state but that the nation state itself needs people to be the nation and that's that's of the phone nations if you will of this vision of well yeah we can glean now to be any action by attaching l of selves to the excitement of people who live there usually in palestine but that brings up an interesting point one that professor sands deals with a lot nation nationhood to people what it is what makes a nation well this is a million dollar question if you are like they might the states for example is a nation but look at that it has all kind of relations it has a democratic system that allows one person one vote it's supposed to have no class system people are supposed to have freedom of everything whether that's a nation now so everybody in that that living in that geographical nation is franchised equally yeah is an equal member of the nation but you go to israel and there at the beginning they claim that it will be a democratic state professor sans raises the point that no jew living in a western democracy would accept the exclusion and the treatment that's given to palestinian in today's israel and like i said this is not just a matter of it they have been building this this history and this myth of their own for a very long time and then he's just coming to open the door for discussion and it's becoming dictatorial kind of thing to to refuse to look into history again and that that in and by itself thems you that something is fishy is it that is it that fragile that it needs an iron jawed narrative to keep it going that no one can inquire this is the way it is just like with the holocaust it's six million established developed nations and actually there are many other kinds of institutes far beyond i think the numbers thirty to fifty or so of these history departments they are separate from regular history department and but there's no keener example of it than with inquiry into jewish history where the drawbridge bridge is raised the flak that you get for daring to go there is more intense and title going public and open the subject of jews in scholarly inquiry into jewish history well if they are even allowed the freedom to do that without with degrees without anything that would be good but you would be even at that if you do that people who claim makes you as you are then the answer of the fires whether it's a cultural or whether it's an ethnic relationship or that it's something else but that's a really interesting and this needs to be looked at more and more is as as more as large number of jews but still many of them still claim that attachment to that and system of the homeland and that gives them that i had to have it if you were what about the disturbing trends that we have when some saying that a million arabs is not worth one jewish fingernail it's extreme i think but but again it's unfortunate that when you are born and raised on the out of doing something that's not just harmful to them it's harmful to the jewish people and ultimately it's actually a homophobe for humanity itself and he's trying to raise the flag very much like others  we wonder if there are aleck that anymore he basically reverses all american policies there only gets twenty nine funders ovations for stating things that are contrary to stated american policy well but we all know and we see now we had a show recently on judaization of jerusalem we ought to be talking about the judaization of america it's a little scary when the prime minister brazenly comes before congress and he gets thunderous ovation and he's talking diametric points to american stated policy or american interests or american conscious american morals there but he knows that those people in congress  antoinette never said let them eat cake were people prefer to believe that she did and the same we know today that the jews were not exiled from problem start with many people will go on believing certainly to would daring and very provocative show one i hope our viewers will appreciate when it's important for all of us thank you thank you thank you very much