the figures are in based on data received from the new york state division of criminal justice studies it speaks volumes about the nature of justice in the city of new york and the policies carried out by the new york police department the n we n y p d continues to arrest thousands of new yorkers for marijuana possession over sixty six hundred for the first six months of two thousand and eighteen or about thirty seven per day ninety three percent of the n y p d s marijuana possession arrests involve new yorkers of color this despite research showing that whites use and sell the drug in equal or greater proportions in african americans and latinos across all arrests categories two thousand eight hundred rest data show that the n y p d continues the discriminatory practice of targeting low income people of color for minor infractions in two thousand eight hundred so far eighty seven percent of all misdemeanor arrests have involved people of color compared to eighty six percent in two thousand and seventeen two thousand and sixteen while the number of fare evasion arrests have dropped considerably from two thousand and seventeen they're still the n y p d fifth most common arrest and are still marked by a stark racial bias and ninety eight and a half percent of the arrests involve new yorkers of color one misdemeanor arrest do make up the large bulk of n y p d arrest as sixty percent percent over fifty one percent of phone the arrests involve black new yorkers who make up twenty five percent of the city's total population and the conservative estimate is that one misdemeanor arrest cost the city seven hundred fifty dollars the expense for n y p d misdemeanor arrest practices comes to over six hundred fifty thousand per day the evidence of overzealous policing also reveals the in effect of this of the system as well as its underlying inequities excessive contact with the police expose innocent people to many forms of potentially brutal police interactions the fatal encounters that have sparked controversy in recent years like the chokehold killing of eric garner numerous other on arm victims of police shootings or mass crackdowns on protesters all reflect a climate of hostility and mistrust that compounds itself with every unnecessary clash between civilians and the authorities charged with protecting them this long term impact of over aggressive policing is a waste of public resources and a constant distraction from genuine crime threats the city's police force with thirty six thousand officers consumes upwards of five billion dollars in annual taxpayer funds the over arching political barrier to commonsense reforms result in a centrally un check power of the police there's literally no mainstream political force or politician in new york that raises serious questions about what the and why p t is up to when that happens we need to turn to other avenues of communication and dialogue we need to turn to a courageous group of officers who are speaking out and today on the radical imagination will continue a doll a dialogue with some of the officers who appeared in the recently released highly acclaimed and award winning documentary crime and punishment they part of the police force who are expected to meet monthly quotas for arrests and summons and summons through this quarter practice and although it was supposedly outlawed in two thousand and ten the documentary amasses evidence and testimony that is still persisted and is still being carried out today under various supposedly snappy and murky names like stop and frisk quality of life zero tolerance broken windows and order maintenance the practice goes on just under different names a group of officers known as the n twelve have spoken out on these outlawed practices and in the lawsuit said they had been pressured to meet these illegal quotas and punished when they refused to comply supervisors are recorded in the film threatening reprisals against the officers some of whom are then disciplined for trivial infractions given undesirable assignments and blocked when they see promotion we are honored to have on the r today officer cyrus smith we're also honored to have private investigator manual gomez on he appears in the film and is instrumental in bringing to light dozens of cases flowing from these police policies that have inflicted profound pain harm hurt and fear among thousands hundreds of thousands if not millions of mainly poor and working class new yorkers of color and before we meet our guests here's a very brief clip of another distinguished whistleblower of a past era in the n y p d his testimony of speaking truth to power rings as true today as it did when he spoke was spilling the beans well in the early seventy's a book and movie was made the difference is that the movie were all actors and i had very much input  in fact they wished i was unfair but that wasn't me you know but you know did a good job playing himself but he's known for over acting and where i said cut was a scene that never happened honest and it's a bad system he's an american archetype but his story also resonates with everything and it's interesting because it's national history right now so we have used the situation in a green sort it situation with use of power dice level frank was essentially predicting all of that and not it's not commission testimony that if things weren't addressed within the institutions such as the police it would rise infiltrate the system would work that way of course the sacrifice worth it but what people don't understand is that the same problems that are now only worse because it's gone to the top the guys at the top are the ones that should be held responsible and i look at where we are think the story is as well known as it needs to be so help our it our audience understand be better educated about what's going on in the police these days that's so sorry start with you i agree with you the audience in new york city the public is not aware of despite the movie being released right crime and punishment new york city and the population is not where it was happening within the new york city of new york city police  department how the policy and practices are literally destroying the lives of individuals who decided to make the new york city police department you know their livelihood so you've been serving for how many years and in my twenty first  twenty one years you know since you've been draw a long service on this so what brought me to the forefront of the issues of quote and abuses with the new york city of new york city police department was the fact that i was one of the know put is not performing well potentially a performer well not perform well all is a display problem the job recognizes that so to speak and will place them based on a certain set of perceived criteria in against unfair evaluation system an unfair performance monitoring system which was used as weapons of retaliation against police officers so that yeah ok and that's a point i was you know he's talking about  half ago or served twenty three years eighteenth airborne and works in the department of state and also new york city police officer for fourteen years now the justice i couldn't give as a cop i now give as a private investigator and both of you really got into this i think it should be emphasized right you know with a great deal of idealism you really wanted to give to the community to help the community is that i mean actually that was part of the reason you got in there you know all the big huge part of it i mean the thing about you know it's like in the movie because it shows him graduating cademy and then the next day he's facing corruption in a deli well the same thing happened to me the day i graduate the cademy had thought i was captain america going to serve the community and make a difference and then what happened was i reported to my command for three precent and the first day i was there fifteen minutes on the job they are was a roll pizzeria ok and he just said i'm giving you an f in order you better follow it learn what you can to get you know suspended and that was my first fifteen minutes on the job that's what started it and now crime and punishment shows that and this mechanism retaliation would salaries we're just talking about performance monitoring is a tool that's used to penalize and torture and repress good cops throughout the department who are not go haste to get you to have the certain amount of rest or and that was dictated to depend on what type of command a precinct he was interviewed in come with those numbers and you did that perhaps maybe on a consistent basis then you were found eligible to be placed in performance model program where your performance was monza for a set period of time so you got to get up to snuff and if you didn't there was consequences for that and just what happened to you in your first fifteen minutes of service i mean well you know  i've been i've been speaking up against police abuses misconduct not only proceedings myself or my career and because of that you know i have not really excelled to the point that i practice and why p t when you speak yes there's a dangerous practice called highway therapy and when you speak out the department will sing you miles away distances away from your officers you know and it's created by and white p d and if these are issued these these are forms of retaliation that the public has to know about because what happens now is you have a cop this disappointed  not happy a cop to saying now you expected me to go out and comedian bill trust very and i don't even trust you you're destroying my life so now my interaction with the public is now is going to be in a negative light just because of public this pain that only then there was a we have recordings of a police captain telling the command that if you don't get a certain amount of summons every month you're going to be working  changed in the seventy's they called you a nigger respect your face now we just dupont closed doors we still the social racism is there but then did the corruption is there sceptical asked for the city council to create a committee that will go and give  in prison there and there was another one before that what changes have happened so it gets to a culture yeah right if we're going to have real change and y p ok whereas real community trusts can be buil and we can actually create this partnership true partnership and you have to go in the culture of the police department of it because right now there's a deadly culture who establishes that who sets the tone for how does it transmit he says on the from generation to telling you ok that you can beat me and nothing will happen or you can curse me out and nothing will happen ok and then you tell me based on the color of my uniform of my you know much uniform shirt is white i'm going to get away with even the most egregious forms of corruption how's that working towards building a partnership when you are firing when you are creating trumped up charges against minority cops to get what you can't stop coming in right ok that's a problem ok to create chopped up charges in the trial room now the spotlight is on a trial with an n y p d and it is my belief as dispassionate commission that was the police commissioner bratton i believe was only i could be wrong ok ok so look into the equities unfairness and what's happening within the department just very system ok ok where and that's a real problem because it's this is the same thing that's happening within the larger criminal justice system against minorities it's happening within the smaller scope of the police department or the criminal justice yes i mean where i've college yeah but that's another so what what's the state of this commission now well that well it's been i've i'm not mistaken i have less than a run now less than one hundred twenty days to make recommendations to the police department about what's going  they reporting their findings to the police department ok so how can you have a department check itself correct itself punish itself and monitor itself you cannot so the point of this commission even though it's good intentioned is useless because it needs to go to a higher commission they can take action for what he's saying because they're saying is a police official what when the findings come out they can sweep it under the world can do nothing  administrative hearing ok and he is you know some false allegations against him and cyrus wins the police commissioner has the power to say you know what i'm going to overturn that victory and and still fire him there is no system of oversight india they the corruption goes from the top all the way down and i want to say one thing cyrus and i were not against  general and do you think that we might have a different system and practices if we had let's say a more enlightened progressive political system that was that was really truly respecting d you know i call it the promise of bill and justice is such an unlikely and it's based on all the corruption is a prime rescuer and as a cop that i experience not only is it based on that but it's also based on cyrus and all the twelve other guys because these guys were standing up for justice can't report it to anyone and this is a boss he's not just the regular can write a sergeant and he can and that gives you credibility alone just being in that position corruption that's going on right now in new york state everybody has the right under criminal procedure law seven hundred point zero to one is dropping to make a recording of someone without the no one want so that means if i called you up and and i said to hey you know blah blah blah blah you can record a conversation legally now because of crime and punishment the movie the movie and because of what cyrus and all these other cops have done and i have done by recording all these corruptions and bringing it forward to a lawsuit right the police department has created now new legal procedure which is in a patrol guy and have a boss ready in states that cops cannot record now on knowingly that they can keep information that they don't have to tell you anything and if you ask you just to deny or they just ignore there's no just a democratic society ok everybody every instance is accountable to somebody or something ok practice of retaliation the repack this of corruption the practice of abuse is is perpetrated and made perfect on the back of it the n y p d employees particularly black and hispanic cops and that's exactly what climate punishment scholz and that's why new yorkers city council people the mayor they need to take a look at this and ask questions if you don't care about what's happening to the employees of the city of new york you must care about the people who they serve ok and within a police department this filters right down this type of behavior that this type of abuse filters right down into the community as one of the ways in which i just finished explain it and as several other ways you know it has to be addressed the mayor has to look at this film ok and so what's going on a piece of true progressive is going to look at this film and said i want to know what's going on thirty cause if they don't go against him and his they can rule is a ministration what the problem we have now is we have thirty five thousand cops who are afraid to speak up because their jobs are threatened these are the people we empower to protect get highway therapy what happens you get your vacation time thing you get transferred you get punished you get performance monitoring i mean cops have been asked for size all the time and they can't speak up because they have nowhere to turn and the mayor is interim mentor to this problem because this is not the first time it's been told they should know better you should know better but what are they doing you can't again like i said have a police department without oversight just do you find some of the similar sorts of things going on when you serve military no no and that's a beautiful thing what's the difference the difference in the military is that we hold everybody to a higher standard are you an example the four star general of the army t committees and people to go to inspector generals that we have the ability to suspend or modify or imprison somebody under spot to accountability yes we don't have that here and you know what the sad thing is this country is based on a system of oversight the legislative branch supposed to check executive branch and the judicial branch checks the list later by an executive the president of the united states it was checked due to and i don't want to get into power but he was he was checked by the judicial branch for his policies on the immigrants ok and we all saw that in the news you know about letting them into the country not the courts of the various they check the presidents and check attempted to check those policies yeah right but we don't have that here anyway and why people we don't know it's not just the n y p d is the district attorney's offices it's the n y p d it's the department of corrections and the fire department so the difference between me in this film is that i worked all those departments because they get kisses and all those deployments of corruption the n y p d twelve was just a catalyst showing the first layer of corruption interesting and that's the problem when i'm addressing now and you know again it was not guys like cyrus you know edwin sandy plank on all the rest of the police and you know coming out we wouldn't have this we'll be doing this show nobody would know  yeah i mean i wish people would get out and see this film like sarah said because it's going to bring about awareness but we're you know we're also trying to bring more progressive approach and bring about accountability to what's going on hulu it's on hulu right yeah it's working on reverend barber william barber of poor people's campaign is calling for a ban on the thirtieth and on this i know that's another yell that the other ally here i mean i in fact given him some of the screaming no justice no peace what do you get out of it nothing actually needs to be taken one thing i learned as united states army officer and the what i am is to take action to make it happen and that's what i'm doing and that's what maybe because they don't they're not doing what we're doing the kind of discount or discount effect that the actions so so many different actions to it there's some of the worst day they can help more you go along that's their motto but i did have something very positive happen to me four days ago i was going down and i was about a block away from the apollo i was at the light and i was approaching the apollo theater and order was sudden comment what's going on and they came out and said please take a selfie with you and she while i was so touched him because they were like wow you know you really are in the street doing this you know you're made a wrong turn but it was it was just a pleasure to see that and a restart my faith and and the vigor to keep on despite all the supporters out there don't get me wrong like if you go again if you just go ask a question is a cause out there they'll tell you yes there is and how can a department  of the community think how and tell us and they want to get involved they can go on the crime and punishment website and email the guys there or if not you can go on my website black ops proud investigators and have a section called legislation and you can hit me up up a comment and you can and i'll get you involved with the activists and organizations like then the police and other organizations in new york state that a work of me to get oversight and the more people we can get to join up with us to have this big because what i'm pushing comment now is officially a crime in new york state but trying to get us to be the first state to have a new way to see there was straight in the pool of justice there is called the department of civil and justice and me circle and that's the problem that's why i'm trying to get people to support this was taken advantage of course you can express outrage of what you said which is seen in the film yeah and your experiences with the o c of police are published and don't get me wrong i think what the police commissioner is trying to happen i was over the years i spoke to many cops many cops in performance money told me they were being in roll wrote it and the only thing i could do to to them is tell me you have a union you have rights as a ploy ok you need to exercise that you know and give them advice on how they should get out of performance monitoring ok but you know when you hear this over a period of time and see the effect of the devastating effect it has on people's lives you have to say something specially when you living the american dream so you're touching people there at a level that you wanted to do when you first started it isn't ironic that i'm doing it now as we're doing they did not only they put the film out a week after but then they put out an official departmental memorandum would say i was got as well ordering all cops to be retrained my correctness it was to retrain quotas saying that there is none but they just changed the name again it goes back to performance objectives and we have a department where they can't check it so and there's no dialogue  makes no sense you know it's just if you really want to stand by the tenants of community policing you would address these issues because like i was saying before it's like a part of soil you know you have that beautiful rich dog topsoil on is not like a light switch or kid you know if you do not respect the people who work for you right ok when you are trying to hurt them and their careers how are you going to turn a light switch off and the community even out to me and you know make a difference you know and i hope that the police commissioner sees this and knows that we've got to bring back community policing and bring back the beat cop walks and not some adores and helps your lady with the groceries upstairs we don't have that