everybody who came out tonight i see some bright colors which means that we're gonna celebrate something really exciting and then dig into maybe something a little bit more challenging but we're gonna kick this off with miss alex more to talk about the opening of the art line and while she's coming down if you have been over in the colfax area and you've seen some pretty exciting things going on so follow the green line good hello good evening mayor and city council thank you very much for allowing me a few minutes on the agenda tonight to share a bit of the story of the forty west outline a very exciting project that is about to launch in just a couple of weeks and just a couple  quick things before i get started tonight's presentation is purely informational there's no request for council action so i just want to make sure that you're all aware of that and then i also would like to just take a moment before i start if i could please to recognize we have a number of folks in the room as the mayor alluded to we've called our art line champions and if you all wouldn't mind just standing up please for a moment so we can recognize all of you this group of individuals and a whole lot more who aren't able to be with us tonight have dedicated countless hours time at creativity energy over the past almost two years to help to create the outline vision and to launch this inspirational project so i would just like to share my gratitude with all of them i know i broke the rule right off of that right good to know so thank you all so much just to orient folks on this project i know this map is difficult to see probably at home but the map is on the project website which is the forty west art line org and everybody and the chamber's has a copy of the map itself the forty west art line is approximately a four mile walking and biking arts experience that meanders through the heart of the state certified forty west arts creative district geographically colfax avenue runs through the center of it and it's located approximately midway between wodsworth boulevard and sheridan it runs about a couple blocks north and area the idea for creating the art line it was originally called an arts loop and it originated back in two thousand and eleven while we were working with the community on lamar's station area planning efforts for the w line and really the creation of the forty west arts district itself and the community talked a lot about the importance of the parks that i just mentioned in this neighborhood and trying to activate those parks and transform the built environment and make it a place that people want to walk and bike and get together and celebrate their neighborhood  they talked about the idea of literally painting a green line on the ground similar to the red line of the boston freedom trail if any of you have experienced that and that was incorporated into that plan which was adopted by council in two thousand and twelve and subsequent plans since that time we got a huge boost to moving that forward when we received a very competitive grant from the national endowment for the arts the city of lakewood and forty west arts as our non profit partner were awarded at the highest amount of one hundred thousand importance of creating the forty west art line obviously it is implementing years of community vision and ideas to create this type of amenity along the west colfax avenue corridor in lakewood it also touches on a lot of the other elements that you see in front of you it's really i think the next big thing in the revitalization of west colfax avenue and continuing to build upon all the positive momentum that is happening in that part of the community thanks to the dedication of many of the people in this room and hundreds of others out in the lakewood community the art learners are ready i think enhancing the sense of place and beautification of this area of lakewood has immense opportunities for economic benefits and marketing of businesses to say that they are located on the forty westart line in this area of liquid has traditionally been underrepresented in terms of access to parks and access to the arts and i think that by creating the art line we're building a free outdoor gallery experience that anybody from any walk of life regardless of your age your income your ability is able to get outside and be invigorated by an experience and enjoy and hopefully will help to lead to opportunities to improve public health by encouraging more walking and biking in the area more social interaction within the community and i just want to note that we're certainly not unique in lakewood and trying to create this type of an amenity there are many national models that i'm sure many of you have already had the chance to experience from the red line of the boston freedom trail from the very highly engineered and wonderful indianapolis cultural trail atlanta beltline the new york city high line obviously the scale of these projects is  much larger and more substantial than the art line is but i think they all have similar things in common in terms of building community beautifying spaces that are perhaps underutilized and working with an existing infrastructure to beautify those environments and they've all been i think far exceeded expectations of return on investment both from the economic benefit side of things but also visitorship and placemaking within these communities closer to home i just want to mention the fi loop and the three hundred and three art way which are projects that are in planning and development phases in denver and very similar to the art line kind of different context that they're celebrating but hopefully down the road we can look at connecting all of these and really creating a unique regional asset for the denver metro area in terms of the implementation of the art line itself i'm not going to get into this list but i just want to highlight the fact that we've had so many amazing stakeholders and partners at the table both during the visioning process for the art line and the implementation process as well again just a huge shout out of gratitude to the art line champions we had many other groups as well that have been involved in various points in the project from the dozens of folks who turned out with mayor paul and did walk in bike rides along the art line wrote last year to look at opportunities and identify potential challenges that we needed to address to the volunteer art selection panel that consisted of residents from every ward in the city of lakewood as well as actually a resident from edgewater who lives right over the border and wanted to get involved who helped to select the public art initial public art for the project which then went to the lakewood public art committee for final approval it's really been inspiring i think to see the collaboration  across many many sectors of the community this is just a quick snapshot of the art line by some of the numbers and i won't get into these details but i do want to highlight a few things at the bottom of the list that i think are really unique and special to this project a four mile route is very long to try to activate with public art obviously and we don't have a lot of right away along the four miles and so the community identified a number of locations where public art would be appropriate on private property and of those twelve locations every single property owner said yes we would like to work with you on this we're excited to beautify our property with public art and to be a part of the art line story and many of those i would say ninety percent of them had never worked with the city or the arts district or the business improvement district on any sorts of projects previously so it's been unique and fun to engage with sectors of the population that we don't always get to work with we've hired almost two dozen artists to help with this initial phase of installing art on the art line project and overall have seventy new public art installations that are coming in this month and throughout the month of june with that it really all adds up to one new unique amenity for the city of lakewood and other fun stuff the two kind of big buckets of things that you are going to see on the art line the first is wayfinding we heard a lot from the community that it's important that people don't get lost as they're navigating this experience so we are installing a green line as the community originally envisioned along that entire four mile route and over sixty wayfinding signs with directional and distance information to key destinations and i just want to point out jefferson county public health generously funded this portion of the project so that's been a unique partnership as well and then the art itself there are five kind of categories of art that you will see coming along the line the biggest part of the project is allocated to the art in the parks going back to that significance of activating those those three parks along the route and the artist team that was selected to do the art in the parks i think really took the community input to heart you'll see a few slides where i have the orange text in i s and this was direct language that we heard from the community about what they envisioned for the outline what they wanted to see and i think these artists in the public art selection committee that selected them did an amazing job of honoring that vision  with land art in aviation park and i guess i should mention before i go too much further the artists were inspired by the stegasaurus the colorado state dinosaur and like i said leonarda aviation park kinetic movable airy park and a functional bench art sculptures and walker branch park and these have all just been installed in the last couple weeks and the artists are finalizing those details in the next day and tomorrow so those are almost completed we also heard people wanted a kind of art treasures and fun unexpected discoveries along the art line and we have three really unique interactive sculptures that i just encourage you to go out and interact with them and experienc them for yourselves they're very unique and i think the community took the idea of kind of creating an experience and interactive to heart with a selection of these sculptures there are a lot of fences in the area that we really seen as opportunities as i mentioned working with some of those private property owners to clean up some of those areas and to work with artists to transform some of those fences with art there are six sites where you'll see fence art along the route these are three of those sites and i just want to point out three of them alone are located on lakewood place which is a one block stretch just north of colfax between reed and pierre streets and those will be unveiled at the june st launch celebration that i'll just mention in a moment we also when we asked it you know how can we encourage you and make it interesting for you to walk or bike this four mile route and to bring your family and friends out time and again we heard that people wanted to see artists painting the sidewalks working with the community to paint murals and add art to the existing infrastructure  and we've just started in the past week doing what we call kaleidoscope crossings with a professional artist and dozens of community volunteers at ten intersections along the art line hiring artists to do unique art murals and murals at a number of locations and then finally the last bucket of art is something that i think is really creative and amazing and it's a great story of the collaboration between the community and our community resources department and specifically a staff member there who's an artist and landscape architect who created this amazing idea of what we call the art line story totems and these address some of the community concerns about lighting about making this experience constantly evolving and kind of a scavenger other two sides are removable art panels so these will be xp eunice's that can constantly evolve and change they'll provide some lighting and a warmth to the environment and the first set of panels are really kind of beautiful metal aluminum metal panels cut with dinosaurs hidden within the artwork for people to find along the route so with that i would just like to note that you've all received a commemorative b launch we really hope that you're all able to join us on first friday june st on that lake would play stretch we're working closely with forty west arts district during their big district wide art walk celebration with  mountain college of art and design a number of things happening of course that's the first night of inspire arts week in liquids so we're really tying all of this together to be a large community celebration the mayor will be doing a dedication of the art line as well at monterey park community farm on saturday june th which is another event that will be great to attend some of the artists will be working and finishing up their art installations at that time and i just want to note that this is not the end this is just the beginning this is the launch of something really amazing that's been an incredible process with the community  and i'm excited to see in the coming years how this continues to grow and evolve for anyone who is interested there's a lot more information on the website and the facebook page we're planning some walk and bike tours along the route this summer public comment but we actually do it different at study sessions it's actually public input so it gives you the opportunity to be like you were sitting up here and ask questions or participate and three minutes so this little box here will be green like the art line until two and a half minutes yellow at two and a half and then it will go red at three and we'll politely try to wrap you up or margie as a button will drop you into the basement that's how we're dealing with this now so i have a couple people that have signed up to speak and not surprising i have miss mattie nichols yeah hi mattie nice to see you thousand eight hundred west eighth avenue and i've lived in this area for over fifty years and i can't say enough for what a great community effort the art line has been  businesses residents forty west arts wcc a everybody has been a part of this planning and like all things that takes time but this has been a great effort on the part of a lot of people the city has been very supportive of this whole project and it's not only the neighborhood surrounding colfax that are being affected by this i just helped painting some kaleidoscope crossings if you haven't seen those those are super great but there were people from all areas with the city of lakewood who helped do this so it's not  just in the northwest area that people are looking at making this happen so the other thing i want to do is to thank alexis who has been the moving force for this whole project and her crew with the city and all that them many many meetings we've had for putting this all together and she's coordinated all those pieces to make this come together to be a reality so i really want to give her and the people who have helped her a lot of credit for making this happen and we're super excited about it happening and i can't wait for the block party come and see you there's going to be a dinosaur flash mob if you know what that is know and thank you for your progressive leadership of this city i've lived here a little less than three years i live at eight hundred and fifteen south car and had been very impressed with what the city has done i had an opportunity to go to the citizens planning academy this last fall which you have a great planning department and i've been able to interface with four or five people in that department in addition to alexis moore who's just an extraordinary asset for the city and i've been very impressed too with the relationship that you forged with forty rest and bill bill murray no i it's really exciting to live here and so i just wanted to say you've got a great city staff and thank you so much for what you do for all the residents of the community thank you thank you so that exhausts the roster anybody else vincent i just like to say thank you i mean this has been a long process and it's great and the interaction that is with all the other pieces of the art and the art line and  bid west colfax and for those of you who haven't been i'd encourage you to i was walking the other day and all of a sudden i'm on a green line i wonder where it goes now i should have known right it was very very effective  so i think what was so exciting about this project is that it brought a lot of people different people in the community together not just the same people and they were very excited about it i also think it  was a good brainstorm to have the first meeting at west facts there's something about west facts that brings people together so i just like to say thank you and job well done and how much fun it is to have a st session like this where know everybody's happy i just know cave diving but anyway yeah i'm really excited about this i've been able to witness a lot of the changes i live right off of lamar street so obviously there's been a lot of work done on lamar and it's good to see  's good to see the changes and i think it's very exciting and also exciting to see the new businesses coming in so i think this is a great opportunity i'm excited about it and i'm trying to express myself in a way that conveys that energy right now but i'm also a little bit exhausted so but thanks a lot for coming miss johnson thank you i grew up at th and pierce and my dad was an artist he was actually a genius when it came to art madi i'm so sorry he's not here to be here with you right now in person i just love it i think it's so exciting so thank you so much for all the work that everyone has put into this it's amazing to see it come to fruition and i can't wait for the opening so thank you all so much all right well you know that this is really cool and in fact it dawned on me the coolness of it you know there's a lot of angst and sometimes this job that can be challenging and i think if you tuned in to council we spend a lot of time together quality time but sometimes you deal with kind of the negativity in the community and just being out in in in your neck of the woods and your neighborhood and to see that color and to see that  pop and to see a community that was in a lot of the in a lot of ways where some of the angst is now in other areas of the city creeks was in that years ago and said how are we gonna change this what are we gonna do how are we gonna blaze the trail and envision  future for our neighborhood and it's coming to life in just a spectacular way and you talked about the free gallery in the equity you know in a neighborhood where sometimes people are underserved you'll have this great  amenity that will be free and you'll have kids at some of our most impacted elementary schools within walking distance to all these great amenities and to be able to have that exposure so this is just the beginning of something that's gonna be  fantastic for years to come and you know you talked about how well we're not quite like this and that not yet but we'll get there and so i'm really excited i can't wait to get out there seventy different art installations and i know some of the artist mountain high school shay davis i'll throw that plug in which is gonna be pretty cool and then lastly i got to say this so the collaboration is the neighbor at the forty west the business improvement district but somebody who didn't get a clap but you got the silent clap and that's um that's alexis moore and her dedication to this whole project and she's been incredible roger travis your whole team so there you go but but you've really championed this and seen it through and i'm really excited so with that thank you all very much thanks for coming out and we'll see you on june first and you ninth fantastic all right next up is item four which is the development dialogue parking issue now the actual presentation has been pulled still on the agenda or it's on my agenda so i wanted to make sure folks did come out tonight to address that because there was a public input section that you would have that opportunity to speak about parking nobody clearly has signed up because we don't have a sign up sheet but if you'd like to speak about that would be happy to okay there is there is even a sign up sheet alright so we'll move on to our next subject which is going to be presentation and discussion on short term rentals three minute time limit yes who's keeping track now charlie we go down there and keep trying dare you to cut her off i actually have a very short presentation for you tonight and it really just synopsises and kind of summarizes what was in your packet regarding short term rentals and i want to thank aaron bravo from our planning department she's really the one who did all of the research etc until we decided it was time to maybe look at it from a licensing point of view so aaron's here to answer questions when we're finished seven easy slides for short term yeah some of the background in two thousand and twelve the city began receiving inquiries about being able from our residents from your constituents about being able to use their home for short term rentals and its continued and it's not a named use in the zoning ordinance and currently because of that as they aren't allowed in the city of l two thousand and sixteen when the planning department came with some zoning ordinance proposed zoning ordinance amendments they had short term rentals as part of that and city council at t to receive lots of inquiries it's been growing and growing the planning staff researched other cities and what they're doing with their short term rentals and the matrix is attached to your staff report in your council agenda packets and aaron put together citywide meetings which we do with a lot of these issues when they come up she included other people from the planning staff the city clerk's office finance department economic development code enforcement and gail spencer from code enforcement is also in the audience tonight and the city attorney's office to make sure that we're providing the best recommendation  she researched fort collins boulder denver durango or vada wheatridge littleton jefferson county and even reached out to nashville and santa fe at the request of council to go outside of the metro area and some of the things that we looked at was simply do these cities allow them or not allow them are they allowed for primary residents only or both primary and non primary residents if they had any license requirements concentration limits zoning limitations and fees along with that research we contacted a company called i compass they're one of three or four  municipal software companies that actually help track short term rentals by all of their advertisements on the rental website and they came to us and they should current ly show three hundred and thirty eight short term rentals in lakewood already so people who are operating without a license illegally because we don't have it in our code and one of the main things is that lakewood is not receiving our sales and use tax or our lodger tax on these rentals there's no regulations currently in place for short term rentals so after staff met these are some of our recommendations we suggest that you allow and license short term rentals in the city of lakewood we would like for them to be allowed in all residential zones and allow rental of the primary residence only this will stop some of the comments we heard from counsel before was people coming in buying up property specific for short term rentals if they only are allowed to rent their residents only that'll put a stop to that and a contract with a vendor to provide those addresses on an ongoing basis so we know who's out there advertising so we can get them licensed and into our system as part of their licensing application we'd ask for them to provide one off street parking space for their renters and they must prove that they've gone to our finance department have a sales and use tax and the lodgers tax license city staff at all and of course we would include a complaint hearing an appeal process in that ordinance so nick steps is up to you whether you want to allow them or not allow short term rentals in the city if you allow them we're suggesting that we spend the month of june doing some community outreach and getting some input from the citizens so we know exactly what their concerns are and then go to a first reading and second reading with public hearing right nice and easy nice and short and easy okay so we're going to do the same mister narrow so you've signed up to give us some input on this and would well welcome you down evening i didn't really realize what i signed up for back oh i thought i was signing in you know just to come to the meeting to see what it was all about but we live at nine zero zero nine  have i want to say like a classy type air b and b where we live we live on an acre literally in the park so we live next to the park  okay so in conjunction with the green line that would be kind of awesome you know to be part of that you know and just have people you know come to our air b and b and enjoy it  and you know be honest people of the community and you know do the air b and b and we kind of have some ideas where we wanted my daughter kind of mentioned being beekeepers and so what we wanted to do was like kind of do that with the air b and b and serve coffee and like maybe soap appears at our place you know when they come to our air b and b and that's not all but i'm not gonna mention those because i mean those are just kind of ideas that we have and you know that we would like to implement but in terms of that i mean i would just i'm all for it i you know i've stayed at airbnb zz we've i've stayed at one in new orleans and it's kind of neat you know you go there you stay your time you don't have to deal with actual renters you know coming in ruining your place i mean they have you know of responsibility to your place if they're gonna stay there and you get their credit card you know when you do an airbnb and i don't know if everybody's familiar with that but i mean obviously it was three hundred and thirty eight people that have one and we'd like to be part of that great oh do you want to say yeah i'm julia cisneros and yeah we just wanted to you know comply with any kind of ordinance or be part of that maybe planning committee and also because we you know we don't want the city that just become some kind of party place we don't want to turn our house into some kind of party house and then just you know no neighbors and the police coming all the time so maybe that maybe by there being certain rules you know when we list the rules  we've been entrepreneurs for a very long time and we work our butts off and so we just kind of you know try to make things easier for our lives and that's pretty much why we're here we a hundred and twenty units there with forty two units being townhouses and the remainder condominiums close to fifty percent of the units are owner occupied and fifty percent are rentals we have been experiencing short term rentals for a few years now even like one month at a time our bylaws say that it must be rented the full unit must be rented for no less than thirty or ninety days and so we have discovered  airbnb units in the place the real problem with being in a townhouse or condominium complex is the parking and the owners sometimes have only one parking space of their own and some have too so they what we've had is that they park and wherever they want to and we don't have enough parking for people that already live there the streets are already crowded with parking i can see doing this a house where you own the whole thing you have extra parking you have a place for people to be but what it's leading to is people buying a condominium unit or a townhouse unit and then just using it for an airbnb which we're not we don't want that in our we've already discussed hoa meetings and it's not something we really want to do try to keep track of it we know where they're advertising some of the time we can find them it's just hard to figure out which unit they're doing and then change that so i can see i can see having it i can see doing it but not necessarily in a condominium and townhouse complex where there is such a lack of parking in some of the u nits that are supposed to be prevented for ninety days one woman was having people come and stay for a month we finally had her read the report other rules and then she has consented and is now renting hers for ninety days at a time and that doesn't have anything to do with airbnb but i think it's the thing of it is when people are in and out of your community all the time like that you don't have a sense of community and half of us are owners only half of us are owners that occupy them so it's already a feeling that people move in and out in and out in and out a lot so i think our community just isn't the place for that but i have no problem with it being where there is space and people can do that but i definitely think that their neighbors should be consulted before they do it and see what they think i think that we need to be able to comment on it is your hoa able to ban it so okay so you're able individually through your hoa to say that those properties aren't allowed alright he has has written to one he then i think was selling anyway but it established for the next person that mir paul i've got some questions that would be around where we talked earlier i don't know if we can back up to the slide on the recommendations i think that'll help kind of a reference point great and so the first question i have is allow rental of primary residence only what are the criteria or have we or the hour do those need to be established to say what would be a primary residence and how we would track that do we have some context around that thinking that people can have a primary home a secondary home number of months in residence how is that going to play out and we talked about that quite a bit and we're suggesting that it's six months that they have to live there at least six months and there's a whole list of kind of proof to that and they're only allowed to have one primary residence and that's and a lot of that you know it can be based on where their voter registration is utility bills different types of things to make sure that that they do live there at least six months so they can't rent it out more than six months in so that of brings to the second point so let's say that i have a five bedroom home and i'm a single woman living there which isn't my situation but i'm a and then can i rent for individual reservations so basically i have four different reservations so i actually have maybe four additional cars coming and we're only requiring one off street space is that per renter per i guess i didn't understand the provide one off street was that per room per person per what it's actually per per rent per rent or per lease agreement okay so if they had four different engaging of four off site watches wanted to understand that and then is there any limit on the number of people is there like a square footage limitation i mean could i have a one bedroom and have bunk beds in there and have like eight people in one room is there any limitation that would be for fire for safety that we would want to at least make sure people weren't exceeding those numbers i'm not sure that's something we'd have to look into whether we could or not yeah that may just be through the individual individual lease i'm not sure but we could look allowing licensed short term rentals in the city of lakewood other than the demand there's obviously folks that are doing it now illegally and as i think i understood you to say there's you're getting inquiries from the public on it other than the demand is there any other reason behind your recommendation in other words what am i is there anything else i'm missing it as to why you think this is a good thing for like y i think i guess that's question is really you guys whether you know to counsel whether they think it's a it's good for lakewood or not summit and maybe aaron can even speak to that because i know when we talked about when she went through and looked at all the other cities etc it seemed to be really kickoff for tourism in a lot of places that people want to come here they want to visit they don't want to stay in a motel they want to stay in a private home any was there any discussion or anything about the affordability of homes so the three hundred and thirty eight that we have why do we have them if we know where they are and we know they're operating didn't we have the i compass that we met with them and part of part of what we would purchase if we were going if we were going to rent them would be the module that they would give us all the addresses and keep us updated on to what's out there advertising on the website we currently don't know where they're all that we do know that so they gave us the number but they they're holding hostage the addresses until we pay them there well that's absurd yeah i mean that's their program that's that's part of what they do so i understand  y so my suggestion would be so that's what i think i remember in the packet was of eleven thousand dollars for the program is that so for eleven thousand dollars we could learn who these three hundred and thirty eight homes are for that amount of money and we could either a tax them or do something with them be we could send them a nasty letter and shut him down or see some combination of the two we could do that for eleven thousand dollars annually yes it's only per year okay i have those three hundred and thirty eight have we gotten complaints on them we've had twenty s to gail i think we've had twenty three complaints on short term rentals in five years three years that were aware of you know how many of those are unique to a certain address now there i know we've probably had a couple of complaints here and there but these i could i'm pretty safe to say they're individual so and then just to tag on broadly on the program there are probably more out there but that's what they could hone in at that point so what was the i know there was the graphs in there about how much money the other cities make there was that breakdown have we looked at for example the three hundred and thirty eight is there some approximation where if we were taxing those people what kind of revenues that would bring in it's just a ballpark we actually talked to i compass about that a little bit but since we don't know even when they're out there advertising the period of time that they've actually rented it or they're actually living there they couldn't give us any kind of a ballpark okay and then if somebody had a like i know we don't have a lot of them here but like a mother in law suite or something above the garage at their primary residence is that something they could rent that out then all the time because it is their primary residence it's just a another building on their property i'm going to look to erin i'm not sure i don't know why not to take advantage of this as if it's something that's you know going to make their lives in their housing a little bit more affordable or if it's just mean they want to partake in but the primary residence component of it helps with the housing affordability and not having people come in and just you know have a home specifically for short term rentals where you can make way more money apartment potentially then you know renting out one of your rooms or something like that so if it's a primary residence if adu but i was renting from her full time and she allowed me to you know partake in the short term rentals that would be a potential option for me as her renter but it would be on her you know on her property and so i would be kind of at her whim to say if i would be allowed to do that or not as we were framing it that's how we were looking at it if it's your primary residence and you're you've got a long term lease or you're an owner then you would have the opportunity to thank you mayor i've actually got several questions and i've got this is two years old but it's the cml document on best practices and one of the things they were saying is that the operator must occupy the residents for at least nine months a year but you're recommending six months please talk about that a little bit it's just giving people the opportunity to to rent longer and bring in more income for themselves okay  also one of the best practices mentioned was sentence you do want to cap the numbers regarding how many folks can can live in that short term rental  and i think you've already answered how do you effectively enforce regulations or not have you mentioned anything on that market how we effectively enforce them right you know we get a call right i mean right now everything's through court code enforcement but if they if they don't live up to the regulations or don't abide by the regulations that we put in the licensing ordinance then we'd be able to revoke their license okay another item on here is best practices is that the address must appear on the owners voter registration that might be something that we that's one of the thing one of the one of the criteria on the list is that the primary resident has voter registration at that address okay and has there been any discussion regarding occupancy being limited to how many unrelated people that can be in there versus related no not at all okay i have a couple of other things i just wanted to ask about you talked about thirty eight complaints since two thousand and fifteen are that how does that break down regarding police calls versus just complaints that this is in their neighborhood and they wondered why that kind of thing as far as actual police calls for service there's we didn't dig down into a lot of that minutiae but looking at it this is what code enforcement has addressed as far as short term rentals so some of it had to do with noise parking issues people coming and going those types of things but not breaking it down to like if somebody had a fight and they went out we didn't pull a lot of that information out illegal drugs domestic binding so we there might be more out there then there well as far as that goes there could be but probably not a whole lot more so  part of there let's see okay let me keep going part of the recommendation is that you would notify the neighbors prior to any license i don't believe that's part of the recommendation at this point oh okay then i must have read that i think maybe that's  i'm just curious since we've known that these are illegal in lakeland has there been any attempt to close them down i mean if it's illegal it's illegal and we know it's out there we just kind of turn our head yeah to me about th enforcement we know that we could drive down every city block in lakewood and find code violations there's four code officers for the city and they're assigned four different areas the north west south west northeast and  northwest area of lakewood and four of us we work to proactive or reactive lee listen to what the citizens want and so these are what came to us due to the impact residents some of these we can get things with code enforcement an illegal business and we go out there and they say well we've been doing this for five years sometimes they fly under the radar as far as the short term rentals i'm sure there's a number of them out there and they just fly under the radar there's either minimal impact to the neighborhood but when it comes up with either activity noise parking who's coming and going that but especially this time of year with something like that it just depends on what's impacting you them in their neighborhood okay maybe it's a question for greg we know that there's there's quite a bit of illegal activity and we just talked to me we just turn our backs on this and allow it and what other instances are we doing the same thing for here and like would where we know there's illegal activity and we just kind of say well we're not going to deal with him well counselor i i would i would suggest that you refer that question to the police department you know the city attorney's office isn't in charge of enforcement the police department is and so and as you know code enforcement is within the police department certainly you know we we advise the pd and code enforcement anytime there's an issue but it's really up to them to decide what they enforce when they enforce how they enforce and so let me let me jump in because we've had this response before if code enforcement knows and they can prove it it's  enforceable we don't know the exact addresses of who's doing it like you saw that map we don't know exactly who's doing it and i know from seeing the internal reports when there have been complaints it can be very challenging for you to prove that they're operating an air b and b so i don't think we're just blind to it i think there's some challenges in trying to enforce it and as you know code enforcement is reactive not proactive so they're based on complaints so if there's neighbors who don't have any problems you're never going to hear about it there's nothing's gonna happen i understand that but i'm just saying if you go and you actually have evidence that it's  a short term rental i'd like to know if we're just turning our backs  one individual stated we do follow up at the letter it's actually a not that mean it's a nice letter saying hey are you aware andor this is what we've got a complaint on and usually it's immediate or within thirty days depending on the context of what we end up hearing from the residents and we try to work with them to get that resolved as soon as possible that's what i wanted to know thank you you know when you know that there's one and it's illegal th you do actually try and yep and we've been successful i would say with the majority of these as far as having them go away sometimes after six months and like i said there's probably a couple of these that we've had a couple of let me just say something you were talking about the primary residence and renting it renting it out you know if you're gonna leave your home the whole home and rent it out that just seems for me very peculiar you you got to take all your underwear out of your bathroom and all of your clothing out of the closets i mean it just seems like people are leaving themselves up to a lot of liability and i understand that if you have a five bedroom home that you maybe want to rent out one or two bedrooms i get that to kind of help your mortgage but probably in those rooms you don't have all of your personal effects this whole thing to me seems just a little bit some i'm not connecting all the pieces renting your home to strangers when you've got your personal things there and you're not too far off i mean there's nationwide i mean you hear of things like this happening where personal items got stolen things got trashed so tax base but for me this actually isn't about economic development this is about keeping the integrity of a neighborhood so you know who your neighbors are that's one of the things that when you have in a neighborhood you look out for each other and this to me is opening up our our neighborhoods for folks you don't even know what's really going on in there i'm having trouble with it okay let's keep with questions please mister already have a full plate would just would it be wise of us to add to code enforcement agent staff if we go with this at this point it'd be difficult to say what those deeds would be as far as resources but an say in two thousand and ten when the rv ordinance changed our calls for that parking went up almost a hundred percent maybe i should put it this way are you already over overworked or understaffed as diplomatically as you can put it sure and i have no doubt to say this if at points and i've even told this to the chief if there is the need when we look at our stats during certain times of year yes but to look at that overall on a broader perspective yeah if we see the uptick and where it keeps going up statistically and for that needs sure what we are seeing though is some of these that take more time and that's another part of the factor when we look at our stats is to see how long we're spending on some of these some we can just go and it takes maybe a couple of visits and then we close the case some other issues maybe a little bit more weighty  require more of your time but imagine do we inspect currently inspect hotels motels especially those that serve coffee and the number of people in an air b and b at any one time is there any way at all that we could we could regulate that i would say if that was the wish of the council and if it was scuse me put into the ordinance that we could we have currently in the household portion of the zoning ordinance that you can't have more than five unrelated that is something probably staff would need to get with legal and look at how the impacts are there because when you start talking renting out i have a five bedroom house and it went to rent out four rooms as councillor frank said that's something that probably needs to be check out a little more the use of ad use doesn't seem to be consistent with the idea of the primary residence only although if you're a renter and it's your primary residence that would fit in under the proposed language but would it be possible to limit that to the primary residence on the parcel as opposed to a smaller rental unit and a that's in addition to the primary residence that's something i think other agencies have done and i believe miss bravo was can speak a little bit more to that with her research that she did please absolutely i mean it's something you can write in it may be difficult to enforce as a lot of these can be there's a lot of items that come along with short term rentals that can be difficult to enforce but if it's something that you wan restrict i think i did a quick calculation of our edu permits we've got twelve in the city and i think we could add language and if it's something that you guys would like to do and if it's not something that you think is too impactful then we could leave it out it would be up to you to give us that direction and again some other cities do require notification to neighbors when one of these things start up so some of them do a lot of them that have a lot of cities that  adopted policy more recently have opted not to because of the cost to the city of the notifications and then obviously then your neighbors that you know if you don't want your neighbor to be doing it it kind of causes this conversation where if you're operating under the guise of the licensing and the policy you may not know anyone's operating at airbnb next to you but it would be something so right now at this time just based on the financials and the sort of workload that would bring into the city to notify of every license i think we opted not to provide that as a recommendation but again these are all things we're looking for direction on that but is it possible that notifying neighbors would cut down on the number of calls to police for folks seeing strangers going in and out of the house next door i think it could go both ways yeah i follow up on that could the notification cost be borne by the by the applicant though so it's not a city cost i think if we could figure out where you know what our buffer would be for the notification we could wrap that into the don't everybody volunteer i'll have to actually look to remember just in general just they offer they offer compliance as well but it's only compliance with the fact that someone does or does not have a license it's not and they wouldn't comply with everything in our in our proposed ordinance and let me look here  they they offer well the rental the compliance monitoring the address identification which is what we asked for mobile registration rental but is there anything in that package that would perhaps take the load off of code enforcement or otherwise save us money by using their resources emergency contact would that person have the option are the authority to ask someone to vacate the premises if you go to a motel and you caused a disturbance they can ask you to leave if the operator is not in town obviously that can't be done leaving our officers with either taken for detaining people or just leaving them there with a citation or less the over the rental thank you i would like to say that if i might comment there instead of a question that this is a very good presentation it's a very thorough look at this thing  d makes our job a lot easier thank you very much for all the work all the departments had put into it notice he didn't ask you kind of asked but just i said is it okay  that and i should preface a couple of things we've had to my knowledge only one situation in ward five and the situation was the sister lived in a home and rented out the location and the sister wasn't on the deed or anything like that but she was the one that was actually quote unquote taking care of the home so we were notified that this was they were concerned about what was happening at this particular location neighbor several neighbors turned it in first of all they noticed that there were lots of cars going in and out so you know they i think the idea of notification is is important for the surrounding neighbors because they don't know when they see all these cars they don't know what's going on has it turned into a drug house or something else they're concerned and the concern about primary owner is a real concern if i can buy a house and then have one of my kids limit from time to time and then rent it out is that really i don't like that idea i think primary owner probably needs to be the people that are living there all the time not my daughter or my sister or whatever so can you tell me about that sure and i think there's two different types of primary residence your owner or it's your well you're the owner that lives on site for six months or more out of a year or you're renting for six months or more out of the year in that location so you wouldn't be an off site if if i was the owner of the house but i had someone leasing my property long term and they did the airbnb that would technically be them they're the primary resident of that house and so they would with owners okay be able to participate in short term okay woman harrison we we talked about one of the things you asked was how do you prove ownership and we talked about that quite a bit and it would be by deed okay it would be through the property records at the county that we would okay so if what would have kent then can a renter actually buy this definition now i know we said owner but you also said renter allow rental a primary residence only so i rent an apartment and it's got a really beautiful view i've decided that i can't afford my rent but i could couch surf for a week or two and i could rent out my apartment is that doable with the approval of the owner so i'd have to have that approved by the apartment whoever owns it or rents it to me what happens if i don't then you're in violation and tell me what those teeth look like though if it's in the ordinance and it's written in there and they don't they didn't go through the process then it stalls it as far as they need to stop we give them a notice they would be within their right to come in get the owners information are the owners permission to do that if they're a renter and they're the primary resident there so they would just have to comply with the licensing feature and i think the original idea of airbnb actually came from that very situation where some gentleman couldn't afford their apartment and chose to have an air mattress airbnb that was actually part of the original idea i know i've been approached by some seniors that are very interested in this and is a in a way to help keep them in their homes physically they're fine they have children here but yet they've got a great big ol home that they're not ready to sell and yet want to stay there so this would allow them if we talk about affordable homes this creates a stream of income an additional stream of income for them to be able to stay in their own homes so even though it kind of makes me a little nervous to think about i think if we had good communication with surrounding neighbors and could eliminate some of the fear factor it might help some seniors so  might add to that too that we talked quite a bit about about the education component of this a lot you know i mean i truly believe that those three hundred and thirty eight that are out there right now are unaware that they are doing it illegally or that we don't have something in our zoning ordinance and the phone calls that we've been receiving and i'm assuming the majority of those three hundred and thirty some  also want to do it right that's why they're calling us they want to know do we license them what do they have to do to to be able to do this so my last comment is that it's going to be really really really really important for the city to require that there's extra insurance in place not all homeowners policies and not all renters policies would provide that additional liability of having quote unquote strangers because it changes it from being homeowners to a business because now we've created a business and that's not always covered under a homeowner's policy so that'll be really important to make sure that we've got that additional coverage in place thank you  and i think possibly some of the companies out those platforms offer the additional insurance for the for the renting folks mister roybal councillor harrison you you answered my questions i was gonna ask and that was the insurance component the other one that i want to go ahead and elaborate a little bit we do have some neighbors in the city and  like to make a recommendation that we reach out to the fire department and ask for their wisdom and see what they think of of these recommendations and get some input from them so that's all i have you so then i have  thank you for your presentation it was really informative and i think helped answer a lot of the questions that we had the first time around just to a couple quick more questions if we do licensed hoas can still have an additional ban on top of if they choose yes okay thank you and if we license what will the process be so will we could contract with the third party we'd get the list of who is operating an airbnb and then we would reach out to them and say you need to have a license and send them an application and follow up got it and then we if they didn't comply then we would just follow up again okay all vincent yeah i need to understand so this is short term rentals where or how is a distinction made between short term rentals and a b and b because a short term rental doesn't have to have anybody in it usually a b and b is serving it is a host family and that to me is a business a separate type of business you're all looking at each other i just don't over speak so i agree arab bed and breakfast is a business you can serve food on site and most of the times it's written in there and i believe in our ordinance it's written in that someone has the owner has to live on site or the management folks have to live on site someone has to be there providing those services they can't provide out you know catering from they can't cater out of that home it's  strictly you know small bed and breakfast this is different they actually button breakfast also have to comply with different building code standards airbnb ziz a house and you're wrenching out so it's a much sort of smaller scale it's still a business  but it's not a minor home business i don't let's not go there but it's um it is different from a building code standpoint it's that's not my forte but i do know that and typically you're not oh you you're not always there you can be there if you want to rent out one of your rooms but you could also rent out your entire house i don't believe there's any requirement for anything less than thirty days or anything like that for a bed and breakfast you rent for however many nights you want to stay and you could put limitations on it yourself as an airbnb host but i think the biggest difference is probably just sort of not using the bed and breakfast isn't a primary residence it's it's not your home necessarily it's functioning more as a business where the thought behind it and airbnb is that you're living there and you're just you know using as your single family home but you're inviting folks in on occasion to just spend the night thank issues do we have set triggers or anything that would help define that like x amount of noise violations or something like that we don't we don't have those currently in place but it's something we've talked about and once we put together the complaint process on the hearing process we'll put some of those guidelines in place afterwards so we know if it's you know three strikes you're out or it really most the time depends and if we take it to a hearing officer and the hearing officer it kind of depends on you know how bad how bad the issue is so you hate to put you know just say one two three you're out it could be very minor violations versus something more substantial okay i've actually stayed in cimmerian b's that were like houses that were divided up into sections and doors were blocked in certain ways so you couldn't go into certain sections of the house is that something we'd be doing here that's that's up to the individual homeowner and the their lease with the renter okay great thanks so i noticed in the the background so w to go in and look or has edgewater's another one that wasn't on our list i think edgewater has adopted as well an ordinance probably about a year ago my question has to do with fees so if they're subject to the lodgers tax that is d burst in the city correct our lodgers tax pretty sure it is however we base our fees on staff time and so if we're ramping up this were to go through and do fees those fees are subjected to tabor so lodgers tax i think is not and our other the other fees that you would be charging for compliance would be subjected to tab expert i don't know no that's cool but i think we should keep that in mind as we also keep talking about this and then in do you know if nashville is primary do you recall how if it's if its primary residence in nashville they allow both primary and none okay so i was just there and two word one state in one  and you know they have actually the city ordinance posted so there's those requirements but talking to the owner for them and i think it's more common in that the market how they're doing it this particular house they were cash flowing ninety thousand dollars a year off of their airbnb so i mean it's it's quite interesting and you know when you look at primary versus non primary and the kind of money that can be made in different paul i really loved hearing about the education component i think there's two sides to that of course there's educating the folks who are running that but there's also education on the maybe through the lease or through the listings the things that would be concerning to me is we have you know ordinance on the books for like say five maximum pets per household and so you have situations where you can have the like if i'm renting out rooms in my house i may have three of my own pets and then i may allow other pets and so i'm just wanting us to at least be cognizant that we may be bumping up against some of these other limits that then cause overflow frustrations in the neighborhood so we'd want some kind of educational component to make sure people were aware if we decide to go forward with what the rules are around everything from maximum pets total number of vehicles like right now for a single family home we have seven maximum vehicles that includes up to two inoperable includes back inside yards etc and i think duplexes is four so what we don't want to see happen are what i don't want to see happen is somebody who already has a lot of cars then who just moves all of theirs to the street other thing is when you can have the person who maybe is in the home and just renting a rumor to and then you can also have them renting out the whole house they may have people coming in from states who don't know about the obligations of snow removal and those types of things so we'd have to find an education component for that because it would be unfortunate to have somebody slip and fall on a property where the people did not know it was their responsibility to take care of if there was no owner occupied person there so i think the education component is important i also think there's the possibility for renters who are renting more than six months of the year to maybe not get the owner's approval and so we should have a mailing address for the deeded owner generally and so i think there's a way to at least once a year since we'll know who's engaging in this to send a notice to the registered owner if it's a if it's not listed the same address to make sure they're aware their property is being rented out and they're in compliance so i think those are all important things that we can do the other thing i wanted to mention is it is important to also note that there is an upside to the people want to get good ratings on airbnb they want to have their property be sought after and so the upside of some of this activity can be the properties improve  that the landscaping improves the exterior improves so i don't i i know it can sometimes be seen as just a complete negative but you're also helping folks stay in an area that they may not be able to stay in you're possibly helping wise and overtime if there's too many complaints there's just a natural social aspect to this that if your property's desirable you're going to be able to attract good desirable folks to that property so while i have some concerns and i think we have a lot of detail to work out to make sure we've got got a process in place that we can live with i did want to mention that there are some significant upside you start to see properties that are very well improved lots of good amenities and that's the is that they have to give us a brochure that they also give to their renters and it states some of the local laws in there regarding snow removal you know where when and where trash is you know picked up and how long the trash cans can be outside and all of those sorts of things ensuring that they meet some fire and safety standards as well so we're talking about having them present a brochure that's part of their lease i think that here's a couple of things that i would like to see as we move forward i think we should explore looking at caps it could be her bedroom i think it's a safety fire and safety issue and i know that to some extent the market kind of provides caps because i've stayed in airbnb as many times and loved it and there's a certain amount you know when you're looking at the house and there's two bedrooms you're not going to try to fit twelve people there and they it kind of takes care of that but i think we should also have caps in place i think we should increase the parking requirement sometimes so for example we i have stayed with another family and we rented one unit one house so it would have been one one agreement from the owner to one of us and we stayed within the cap but that meant two cars so i think that it should be somehow related to the number of people that are staying there instead of just a per agreement fee i think we may want to look at using th compliance checks it seems with the third party and it seems like that could be a fit i like the additional insurance requirements i like the conversation about the well defined violation process and what just having that really clear so that it's understandable if if i have this kind of violation we're getting revoked for ninety days or whatever so that people understand upfront  and then finally i think it's exciting i think this is part of just participating in the modern economy this is just the way things are going i think people want to have this opportunity it's a lot of cash flow along with councilor frank's was saying the ones that i've stayed and have been very very nice so it's i think you will see some improvements and then the other thing is is that i was just did a quick search on air of the cities listed i think it was arvada that does not allow them there's still over three hundred that operating and so it's just to me this is a way that we can better  better track what's happening make sure that there's rules better enforce those rules and of course the side benefit of participating in the attack you know and getting that tax fund so thank you very much thank you i just had one comment um in the brochure in the agreement if we would identify clearly what the rules are for a marijuana use i think a lot of people coming from out of state will be very excited about our loss and i think so a couple of comments i had i'll talk about the downsides because i did read earlier the eye compass and i did laugh at the quotes that they included there they had the three little girl about the beer pong and like people like so the heading on that is interesting because it says short term rentals can just you know the bad the bad news displace long term tenants something we're struggling with housing now so now all of a sudden you might have tenants who've been there a long time and now can't be there so that's a downside alter the neighborhood character raise legitimate parking noise safety trash and fairness concerns so basically everything that this council has been talking about and struggling with this brings us more of so i'm struggling to see why this would be something that we would be excited about especially because to the mayor's point about the if there's some tabor implications if we're not even reaping the benefits of the fees you go to the economic chart where they use san diego as a comparison which that's somewhat of a misnomer i don't think you can use san diego's in comparison with us with these numbers but even using their numbers the city share of the sales tax was fifty six dollars out of the total economic impact that they state of close to thirty five thousand dollars so as a city i'm not seeing how we benefit from having this unless we make the licensing fee so high that it somehow dramatically changes our coffers i don't know how we get there so i guess my question would be not even a question maybe is just a comment slash  question why is this something and it's i'm not really saying we should or shouldn't at this point i think there's a lot more to look at but i'd like to hear why we should do this and i'm not going to be sold on the affordability part or any of that because i think  displacement of long term renters offsets that so why is it that we want to do this afford to stay there but as when people stay in a home then that's one more home that doesn't go back on the market so it's it's kind of a cycle with no real no real where can we or do you intend to require evidence of owner approval at application times so that renters would have that evidence right upfront absolutely okay well with my conservative friends but as far as tabor goes is it possible to have a surcharge on the tax that we charge in order to cover the a short question i was just wondering did any of these cities have any safety requirements like carbon monoxide detectors fire detectors i think this that's part of that's part of what we're the list of things that we have that we would have in that brochure  is that in part of the application process is that they have to have and show where the fire extinguishers are in the house carbon monoxide all of it okay great thanks m thank you i was going to ask that question that's a good question i am boy i'm really conflicted on this because it's the property rights of the person that owns the house and i frankly don't care if somebody wants to rent out their bedroom versus the property values in the neighborhood of the other people that it could potentially affect regarding safety issues  and i i really appreciate the education components you have particularly regarding the marijuana because i think that will attract a lot of people here just for that one thing alone  but the reality is there still can be a lot of folks in and out of a neighborhood that you don't know and for me this is not an economic development thing as much as it is protecting the integrity of our neighborhoods people really like to know who's living next to them and i think it's somewhat unnerving when you know that a home is is being cycled out all the time and you don't really know who's there and i think that laurie brought a good point to the table here regarding the townhomes and condos but it sounds like the h supersede this okay good right okay i would also like to see us look at some of the best practices that cml has  particularly that it can not that has to be a primary residence at least for the owners for nine months and this doesn't become nine months instead of six as well you're the person i think that that's what you know if that's the best practice i'd like to see us do that and i agree that the number of people coming into this needs to have a cap on it that's also part of best practices  and again it was talking about owner registration as a way to our voter registration to prove that i still have a lot of questions and concerns about this and before we would actually go forward with anything i think we really need to get more commune to input take this to our ward meetings and find out where folks are coming from this is not just an issue for us here to be deciding i guess that's it thank you so well done all great stuff appreciate the research all great questions up here what i would encourage i think has you heard a mixture of things there wasn't real consensus on you know whether it should be six months or nine months or one parking spot or two let's gather what you heard and where there are those we can bring that back and  have that conversation to to tune in to what those discrepancies might have been yes sir i would suggest bringing us and options with the resolution o ordinance so that we can pick and choose and and i started having to make a lot of amendments yep and i think it looks like you are capturing a lot of that okay i don't think we're anywhere close to to that councilman abel i think it's fine if they want to come back and refine this a little bit but then is they recommended the next step is to notify the community get it out there start getting input from the community and that's gonna be long before we start drafting ordinances or even if we you know draft ordinances at all i think it until we get a feel for what our communities want i i think we're nowhere i have no problem saying let's let's let's take it out there let's see what the folks are thinking on this and i agree with a lot of the comments that you know there may be some some advantage to some of our folks who are struggling and they're in their homes and this would be a chance to supplement their income i could see that but i also agree that we don't want to be turning our neighborhoods into a commercial zone either we're gonna have to walk that line if if in fact this evening goes forward i agree with that i'd like to see a large public and process we've had two folks come and speak to us tonight we did bring this up in our ward one meeting last month but certainly but i would like also get a step up on if there are three hundred and thirty some odd people out there operating their homes without approval of city regulation and i think that  the sooner we decide whether we want to implement or whether we want to allow this or not and how we want to implement it the better so i think staff would we would be well staff and moving toward the larger community input process put some options out there for the community to comment on yep so and and i would echo that i mean essentially have three hundred and fifty folks that we might even know of could be more than that kind of operating in the shadows we don't really know what that is the shared economy is its new my personal life has been affected you know in my own business and probably a negative way by a company called uber but that's the way things are progressing and councillor skilling asked you tell me why i mean i have the concerns about the fees certainly so i want to understand more of that this is also property rights an enhancement of people's opportunity to do with with their property as they see fit within some decent parameters so i'd like to some some consensus to at least move forward with more of a public process and essentially taking what you've heard tonight and looking at some draft language with the different options where you've heard some of the council members talk about different ideas consensus on that okay so i'm getting a consensus is that clear as mud or on our next steps we did have doing something out on the website as part of the community engagement tool that we have would it be something where we could maybe put a survey with options together and and put it out there and see what the feedback is what the first question being you know would you like them or not and if so then list the options that we've talked about tonight so i'm getting consensus yeah i'd like to also ask if you can give us all the list that you have to the recommendations so we can take them directly to our ward meetings and ask them directly also if that is possible so w be essentially we could have something like this or more of a draft ordinance of what you think that's going to look like or the or the key points we can get out on the website we can get out in the friday reports we can get out on lakewood together and do some survey there okay all right any question then you follow up great all right thank you don't have any reports other than that we had a productive a so i guess i do have a report we had a productive budget and not a meeting i think where we talked about tabor and some of the the amount of money that we're gonna refund year and some of the recommendations that the committee is going to bring to the council so that should be a fruitful and interesting discussion so i just want to throw that out there and other than that i don't have anything to report th yes sir i had the pleasure of attending two high school graduations this week wheatridge high school on friday lakewood high school saturday i'd like to thank principal  mention of our attendance and thursday i'm going to long view high school's graduation the but the exuberance displayed by these graduates is remarkable and  you know look out world here they come and boy are they ready yeah thank you thank you harrison i wanted to report and two things first of all attended an urban renewal  class a couple weeks ago i didn't get an opportunity to say how much i learned about the urban renewal process again even though i've been on council for a while it's always really good to hear it again and again and again because of the fact that we forget so that was a very interesting class held in fort collins and speaking of tabor and all the questions that go along with us our ward five meeting will be church we will have larry door coming to speak about municipal funding of course it will include the discussion of tabor what's good and what's bad and how it works and what do we need to do so if those of you who would be interested we'd love to have you we are going to have a little bit larger room so we're pretty excited about having that discussion thank you go all the way down miss johnson thank you i'd also like to mention that on june nd ward one is having our meeting we're going to do something that we've never done before we're actually going to have a picnic charlie's gonna barbecue some brisket we're going to have some hamburgers and hotdogs and we just asked folks to bring side dishes and desserts it'll be at meadowlark park from eleven zero to one  informal time for people to get acquainted and then also i've mentioned it to everybody up here this thursday from seven to nine in the lakewood p m in the lakewood police department municipal court building jason dickerson who was with army intelligence in south korea is going to come and talk about his understanding and perception of from one perspective regarding the situation in korea he has a very powerful powerpoint this is not a political agenda at our there's certainly lot going on in dc and i he's got a message that will blow you away really and i hope that you will come and bring your friends again thursday from to nine zero in the lpd building thank you vincent yeah i've had this report for a couple weeks but it was late nobody was up i've had the pleasure i was asked and i attended the jefferson county open school as they gave their presentations before they graduated and it was just a wonderful experience libera and myself down there my co counselor we got to go to jefferson junior senior high school and they also they did some presentations on how to correspond with government officials and maybe get things on the agenda one of which i told them that we were very interested and they were going to write to the lakewood city council but it got directed to the county commissioner on the graduation ceremonies of my alma mater tomorrow morning alameda high school so looking forward to that secondly we have decided to cancel our we're meeting on saturday so that our folks can enjoy their honoring mayor hogan for his thirty plus year career serving the metro area the state of colorado and the city of want to thank all of our volunteers and our sixty five plus police agents who helped make the colfax marathon another success our running team we had some some late in the game injuries mental and physical so we couldn't quite make it out this year but we will be there next year i want to wish everybody a happy memorial day we will not be here and thursday from three to five at the lakewood elks club there'll be a transportation forum and that'll be  discussion about the many different initiatives that could be out there for transportation funding so sen and senator xen zinger from arvada will be there to speak about the state i'll be speaking about a potential state  sales tax john caldera it will be there to talk about another state initiative that he's looking at and i think there's one other speakers so come out if you want to get an update on all of that had the great opportunity to attend green gables elementary anniversary so that was a lot of fun in the neighborhood a lot of people came out for that and with that that's all i have so anything else miss greer mr graham m thank you the sergeant for keeping us safe and we will adjourn at eight fifty four p m on monday may