strange paradise partridge marriage it's really it's really engine made it about her life of poetry in new york city from the time she met her scientific husband while she was playing guitar in permanent poets of her generation times i worked at the new york times during his tenure there and have known him for over thirty years because we both work together and publishing company when he was the ultimately now that music reveals the ways in which we come to understand the world they are images of the mind at work like indeed they are and one's mind itself that time is that the restaurant was a red light district since ninety four she's been advisory editor of the great historical bergen literary journal book on mathematics and poetry and the st part must be autobiographical and then has to have lots of beautiful pictures however there was another sense in which i did trying to write that book for fifty years honestly because when i went to russia to chicago i told them that i wanted to do poetry and  and because of the great talks program really into there is something that's going on in the way in which mathematicians think this is more like figures of thought and so that's what i wrote about i was in college context activity use and projects today and so if you're concerned with math and science a lot you have those ideas and those words in your head and they end pattern so you think of the really great little no do not go gentle into that good night by dylan thomas lew the things that happens in that home is only we can't remember half of what we know we heard each other and then turn away when things in silence never let me go this guy i love the air at work looms with snow melts beneath the laws it must've been we can't remember half of what we know his armies are strong and or his breath is slow she will sit close not knowing what to say this hold in music remained to forgo this flight another strategy just day one things in silence never let it go this is over the trees bring back to life although their was i was reading that part of it is because i've learned so holmes as songs in my partly because end of the anglican interacted with the interest in poetry or the poets and i didn't read it to be interested in that i don't know about that but because i've been writing about this for a long time i've bumped into especially th people who share those interests and  steers this is this is the one that has my book to a teacher that would be one was her brother was friends with christopher rob you know he wrote a memoir about how difficult it was to be going to karate and the other thing is that she was the godmother of and to what else and so we have a lot of conversations about that you know way two or three has are really important mirrors and reading those books i discovered at the top clocking desert which is a sort of conduit from china to per and i also learned from colleagues at the university of paris seven that there are really really important caves they are that had very important astronomical documents life i carry cough drops with me in my book back under notes so i won't interrupt her train of thought by sneezing and trying to copy every line she writes as well as those so maybe we'll have some questions i think the way it was time to your question is you know there's a lot more to be said about the interaction of mathematics and poetry and going back to those four people who just mentioned you know driver never gets behind a wheel if that kid never feels the need to join a gang just to find acceptance if that gun never makes its way to the streets and commits deadly violence and