is that which is with john watching that which is presented by m s i the movement of spiritual inner awareness a movement dedicated to awakening the spiritual heart within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual advisor of m s i  the founder and president of the institute for individual and world peace founder of the heartfelt foundation and other organizations dedicated to improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and he has been teaching and conducting seminars for many years right after john rogers speaks we'll tell you how you can obtain more information about  women have to go across to the right and get the energy and bring it back and balance it and then go out meet men have to be in the right go across the left side of the g bring it back and then go ok you can do no mr somebody up here who can do it for you and they're both on the left side and on the right side and they must stand in both of those in order to do both of them so mystical travelers both left and right side energy now let's look at that as though this line here in the middle of the floor represents the difference in my rights will be right sided energy my left of the left side of the energy i come right to that line balance if i'm clear over here i'm clover here and i tried the same thing i'm still out of balance so what i got to do is i got to stand both sides equally if i'm just on the edge of the line i'm all the way no matter how close i get to it i'm still on that side so i might as we'll be standing way over here if i could do that but then makes it real hard to do anything so what i do is stand as close as possible to both centers of the line in the people that are way over there functioning like that my not get here and the people that are way over there functioning over there on the right side may not get over here to get to this now i can lean way over there and i can move way over there as soon as i pick up one foot i'm off energy if i lean over here and i pick up one foot it's still in the right side but it's not in the right side it's off it's over and so i'm out of balance women predominantly come up on this side men predominately come up on this side what's so unfair about that i misunderstood dead in order to go to god i need to be over here you need to get the energy from there now if you find somebody who's both on the left and the right side what is your chance of going up pretty damn good wife you get somebody who's just over here but they can't make it work to get some it's just over here they can't make it so you gotta get somebody that's both now if you get a man and woman together they'll think they got it so they'll they'll take off and go and build a little hut in the woods and live by themself and they don't go anywhere except a little hut in the woods and then they have to eager to satiate to make them feel real good they died to go to hell or into dirt like your body else god is a balanced energy so you have to have someone above there on the who can do both energy fields now some workers ations come out the right almost every one of those are left sided energy the mormon church is pretty much a right sided energy and pride just go down by now what's the energy of the lectures to come into the room you just didn't want to be wrong you didn't care to know that you cared not to be wrong most people function their life not wanting to be wrong and they're very safe and very secure in not wanting to be therefore they must find a man to establish their dentity the man will establishes a dentity as a as a penis and balls and maybe of baser voice and maybe some other characteristics and he'll find a male female player to a neck and negative polarity and shit take him all the way to hell and back and he wonders why he even did it she has the ability to do it he doesn't have the ability to do it if he's been impregnated with the female energy like a man has been raised by women in the family the father left there was a mother knology sisters he'll be impregnated with left sided energy it's just it's really going to be difficult for him the saving grace is reincarnation it's like we have to say thank god in the slop or tuna tease women have a tendency to pull the man off his path because the earth is a negative polarity left sided energy women will go back to wicca witchcraft black magic faster than a man the worship of the goddess and a high priestess net cult is left sided energy mostly what about white magic left sided energy even though they try to do real good things the manifestation if you get a benign dictator you have a republic like we have now this isn't a democracy i hope people understand that we're not a democracy if you're trying for democracy go to some place where biggest  all counted we're republican we elect people to represent us and they vote for us in our name without wasn't even know what they voted for the week we kind of think that's been communism here it's not communism in the real true sense of the word where every with one is held in common with everything else and your vote when you hit the button there tallied and the majority vote takes the group in the group supports majority vote we're not we not have at would be a great one to have in a lot of reasons because then everyone gets according to their need not their greed and but if a person is it's a troop it's really the true spices them if somebody gets more than what they need because the greed there reported by the husband of the wife or the kids because they see somebody else not getting what is necessary now the question is will there be enough the supply lines that are enough and if you don't think there's plenty walk down broadway near forty second street all those stores and look at all of the radios and televisions and cameras that they got stuck in there from japan and then go down to brazil and find exactly the same stores with all the exactly the same products then fly into some little hut in ecuador you'll find the same ones somebody's got a supply system that's really good but we can't get food to anybody and i'm not tell you because i just the because i'm angry or pissed off about this i've been in those places i it's brazil but i had to wait six months to get they had it there i bought it why so i could have two why my went there was another one i got to i don't know why it never win five but one is gone in a hurry so the think the thing you're dealing with always with these energy fields is wot are you doing with it you're feeling bad with it so boy negative energy just loves to feel bad and positive energies just loves to rescue negative energy so they run over t recchi to get negative energy and negative energy sitting in quicksand no one is they feel bad and you grab hold you start down with them if you get a woman to come over to the line and accept the man's positive energy and he set her negative energy they might be able to straddle it but they can't give up a dentity because soon as he becomes what she once should divorce him because he's now negative energy she knows and she doesn't like it it's the same thing on the other side if she goes truck driving with him he's going to go and you know i don't want truck driver wanted lace and perfume and i can't wear myself so i want you to wear often you'll find this often in men they'll do what women with wear sheer negligees and black sea to frederick's of hollywood type of stuff because they just visualize what it would look like so guess who they have to visualize who a looked like on themselves that's the first reference point they immediately discard that as being a perverted point of view and put the mannequin in the doll or the picture in the magazine or put on their wife or the girlfriend then sit and i as something that they possess it's quite obvious they can't possess the woman so what do they possess and what she's dressed in it's just basic psychology one o one doesn't take long to figure this stuff out i've done it all so i know what the sides are and i've been left side engine my side of the energies is about fifty fifty so i go what so unfair about it i look back i go as fair an awful lot about it maybe what's unfair is you really don't know what you know about it you just think you know something and you feel bad about it so start to know yourself study you and your feelings and thoughts your persuasions your attitudes and the great teachers of said know yourself then to your own self be true doesn't mean excluding anything else is true but knowing what you are being true to that is a fundamental basis of a stepping stone into reality but how can you step into reality if you're dealing in fantasy you bought into the stories of women because a lot of stories are absolutely so but you can buy into dahmer story where he boiled a black guy and ate him because he liked his biceps that's right sided energy devouring right sided energy you get cannibalism right sided energy kill your enemy and eat him and get the strength out of them i mean today it's terrible to be a vampire because what you get some he's got aids so if you get the strength you have to you have to look at you can get the weakness and if you get that and you don't know how to combat it holy toledo and i use aids that example because it fits what we're talking about but you know it's like that's a theoretical fact or a statement of fact but if i tell you a lie and you repeat it you have repeated the truth you repeat a statement of fact that the fact may be a lie if i say the truth the spoken or he spoke what am i saying those are different statements but most people take them to be the same thing if i say a lie and you truly speak it you spoke in lie as well are you saying is exactly what the person said is true spoken when the truth are spoken you may not say what they said because it may be a lie and you must say it differently you can have sympathy experiences which is your experience of your sympathy of them but you can't have their experience you can have a parallel or something in synchroni which is do cannot have their experience that's not my idea i can experience what you're experiencing when both get on the roller coaster and head down i can experience what you experience but i can't have your experience because you may be entering terror into it and i'm entering excitement into it so that in a thing is a quality that everyone has to deal with differently this is one is why i say don't talk about your inner experiences why people are going to try to measure up to a friend of self short feel bad and they can never have it anyway and who says that you spoke the truth about it anyway you truly spoke what you remember about it but did you say the truth is very hard to get in experiences verbalized in truth just my experience of it it gets pretty close that's subjective you have to understand that you can't even buy that statement because you don't know how pretty close is maybe ten galaxies away well because sometimes have to go to bathroom in spite of the truth that i mean so there's a truth there also and it is paying attention to you in your flowing to realities everywhere you go everything you do is a reality it's just not one that has a certainty repeatability for everyone else to know what it is we can reflect it and observe it and come close to it it's called rockets chorus line the few look close some girls kick higher than others some gun on the shoulder the way the others do one guy even had strange colored shoes on but were they all doing something it was close enough that it was ok in side of me but i can't have that experience there was no one that was with me in the group saw the guy had shoes or a different color why they weren't looking there so it was i didn't say much about it said did you like the way the uniforms were the yeah they were just really great it was no use agency the guy without the good shoes they're going to get old i missed something which isn't what the dance was about as it happened to be something that i saw i haven't thought for a while i wish i hadn't seen that because i kept track of him all the way t but i don't know how many of the people there were but i know he was there for me it was a gimmick for attention he succeeded inside of me and here he is being talked about about the others i know they are dressed pay attention to what is and then follow your intention that way you stay clear of things you don't want so if you say pay attention to that which is you have been much cleaner because that which is  we're doing so transcendence and i go well and my doing it in my own track and way off track we can't get off track because there's five billion people on the planet they're all doing it so there's no off track it's just how well you're progressing towards that and then lot of people in a recycling process they're going to they're going to keep coming back into the pattern of this planet until they finally get what it is they're here to get and maybe they're going to get i've been here before and i've done adults time to leave the pond that stayman they start to find avenues off and maybe the avenue office for thousand years maybe another avenue office for fifteen hundred years and they start to say those avenues don't talk about where it is you have to go to stay off they just talk about getting off i can go to the moon and get off the planet but there's a good chance you go to my bag down here again and lesson for simply die there since the consciousness we deal with doesn't die it just doesn't it doesn't know how to die  the level of consciousness that we live in dies in terms of it shuts off but it also turns back on again if we the more we can keep that consciousness on means turn from repenting better stop turning at some point or the going turn right back into it and we do that is to come into it one moment so that sometimes you don't have to turn all the way just have to turn off what you're doing in your no one m the best way is to move your spirit as a lighthouse beacon on a lighthouse around until you light on an object that reflects back to you that you put out and that will be your attraction fi as soon as you reach that level that you meet that then you find out if it's really true that that's what is or was it just reflecting what you put out the truth letting what you put out you're in a if i take a flash a light on the wall and you go over look at the wall as the source of the light you know lucian i have to disillusion you by turning off the light if i'm the ones focus in the light so you stop having the illusion and turn from a so my job is to disillusion a lot of people from what they think is so inside of them to what is truly so in the spirit because what so inside of you is accurate that what you see as an and kind of call yourself disillusioned because of what happened that's a bad note who are in reality it's a good thing you got disillusioned because you were dying in your lucian that's we use the word etc if you think you got keep going somebody who gets disillusioned in this organization stopped and we tell people don't if you think you there keep going why we're there it won't hurt to keep going if you're not there it will hurt if you don't keep going so it's a very easy process and your standings addressing your lack of information about when you transcend is really appropriate when you die you're going to come to that point of disillusionment this world full of illusion things down here are not stable we're looking constantly for a source of stability in the midst of chaos confusion disaster the mazing thing of it is we could look to ourself in the midst of that and find it to be so if we could bypass what we think and feel about what's going on there because those are such  extended sensors that we see the building falling we hear the people screaming we feel we're next in line and then also we're still alive because mr s then we go ou words we can start to rationalize and rationalize all the make believe most of why things are but the reality of it is very simple you're alive they're not alive isn't the pretense of this place here it may be that you're dead and they're alive even though they're buried well when we going to know that only when you're above the the play of field of consciousness as we know it was described here that means you must then transcend this play of consciousness and you can do it only by getting above the field of thinking and you can't get above the field of thinking by going into thinking beyond by its nature it has a cap on it if you go back to the source of thought transcendental meditation it should be transcendent meditation and they give the analogy of coming down here to the source where a bubble of thought comes up as an energy field in the midst thinking who are in the field of consciousness arises comes up as a thought and you do something with it appears the feel the banksias what is this transcendental meditation tells you that is the source so you have heard it said that way and they say that the source then of thinking pure thinking piers source is unconditioned energy this is unconditional energy you come down here to this place here and you're in a field of unconditional energy we call this the void because you don't know what's in there you can't tell what's in then you can't see what's in there and it can be conditional not conditioned but we point in our existence so what you did is you transcend the astral in the cars on the mantle and then dropped in here into the void of the theory people don't know get that one but you will one day and that's just call the canal that takes two to this transcendent place that is also unconditioned energy based upon this field of thinking but it's beyond the field of physics and science it's beyond the field of description as be on the field of my ability to tell you it's not beyond my ability to show you there and see the show you the path and through it and go with you that's that is easier to do than to tell you this is easier i do it to people hundreds and hundreds of times when i'm in a room with them and they don't even know what i think if you're so smart do you know where your soul is and i sit there la times and chuckle and there's been a few people that have been wise enough to look to go guy you just go in and out of there in in an out there a lot don't you i go no it just looks like it i'm always out i'm always out you just have to see fields of energy is that moves and picks up things on the levels there's very little here as most people will tell you has been with me for a long time and this guy's a real dump nerd fine that's just fine with me it doesn't bother me you know you call me thing you want as long as you come in late for lunch so what you're doing is is now we're going to shift out of this we're going to keep this as an idea to shift the focus of attention that what is in here is the same thing that was up there or what i call this area here what is in here is also a condition energy called divinity divinity is also this transcendent consciousness is also in here but i described it this way and i said forget this is the focus it's in the background but i forgot to tell you bring up the background i'm going to talk about this so and i'm going to change the field of consciousness on you or maharishi got to do  i it's very easy to get vocabulary down in vocabulary most often in maharishi's terminology is this for most people when it's a vocabulary and then sit there with a name jelly type look on their face and spoke as though they had nothing inside of them and spouted the words of vocabulary about this information that the maharishi told them and the more they could look and seeing and to act like him the more air but thought that was true and also workable it isn't i was in carnac's university in the bombay two or three hundred miles and meeting with the chancellor of the university and take a tour through the buildings and he kept talking he kept muses hands certain ways i said your side baba devil t r she goes yes how do you know i said you did the same thing with your hands he doesn't that doesn't make a sigh baba he got so pissed off i said i've never seen him so i bought a pissed off so that's part where you differ devotee had been for years could stand there put on a cloak and gallon hair and do cyber aba spoke english like side bob would try to speak english try to get at is better now in the in the level of consciousness you stand in if we're going to do a hierarchy on it and just say that here's the mental part but not the mental of the spirit mental as an astral causal mental or theory soul but the mental in terms of that's what you know and then at the top here would say this is where the soul sits at the top of the of the shocker centers then there's something that blocks you whether it's a thick skull whether it's inadequate nerve senses whether it's your proper education or whether there's been improper stimulation of the soul to force its energy impulse down where you go  and you start to find the looking of what's that and say oh my god that's something that i've always been that's that's me i'm it we're whatever at that point you are now in the soul but the so by its nature only goes to soul level because that's its home but divinity by its nature goes to god which is where its essence is so we write the saw into the essence right the soul realm promised only go to that level anything above there isn't tightly different that's a whole different process this particular point is nobody else taken anybody else up because most people are already said if you are the of yes and and i've never found the end to it which is really nice inside of me i don't need an end as soon as you get the soul you get the on the mental level most people are top the process of creation then many dismissed when they had the higher level saying that wasn't worthwhile and all that that we're going to create down here in the physical body so where the level of god training down here of what we create positive and negatively there will be used above the soul level in creation but not in manifesting it for the soul level travelers come in this field of behavior to die to show you how to get out of it so from there the main thing is come here and die and show you how to get out the meantime people try to crucify him he's always been there but you're also the traveler  can be standing here because you'd be too far off to one side or the other in that left or right energy field but what i'm telling you someplace aside you know is what i just said just knows it and it will do it will defy you to not know it because they want to say define is you in the present state of your mind in your intelligence to not know that and yet you can't put your finger on it and it's more real than anything else i'm talking about that's transcendence right there that was soul transcendence you were all the way when i said that to you you went all the way up into a high place and that's what you now mothers are just as very strange thing called those are people they gave you everything that you have to start in this world then you give your mom love and respect that's due her and that doesn't mean based upon when you think so so it's quite obvious you don't have to rehearse how to handle it when she shows up in if she were going to be dead by morning what would you want to do for her and regardless of whether she doesn't disappoint you lived till the next day you know and she could die not because of in physique when she could get hit by a truck on the way across the street and if that were to happen how would you want your response inside of you to be towards her right now how you go about to complete that what would you want her to know if she were here if she could hear you what would you say to her you'd say regardless of all of that that happened i love you that's the message that's what you'd say to her you wouldn't use those words but to be regardless the highs and the lows there regardless of those i love you that's what it is because that's what's going to always end up being in the final analysis with everybody along the way mom you will say this but you think shit yeah a real pain in the ass a few times you know why she was a pain in the ass now you people have seen me do that raise your hand if you see the horses shut up look around the room see them they see the horses all shut up because i tell them shut up then i start to do with the horse it's present they take off again i shine and they shut up and i don't see home and practice that i just know that if you don't tell me what you want they won't know how to cooperate but did you hear any negativity with me or did you just hear  loud information negative but most time when you hear somebody raise their voice their negative ness not true at all they may just be more highly informative called you're not paying attention you're not listening and they're getting above the threshold of where you are with what you're in to get to you if you're walking across the street somebody yell watch out and you watched out you might to want to say thank you so i got out the way that car and we're so grateful god awful relieved but when somebody does that and we don't see the media payback then we put in a place called you are verbal abusive to me you yelled and screamed at me all those things are true an accurate they're all verbal abusive yelling and screaming at you but you forgot the reason why because they care enough about you to warn you to not to be hurt and that part has been washed away in the midst of the memory of what they did it's time to pull those memories back up and say here's why mom did that no wonder she got him for zuma she was yelling and screaming at me all the time mean she was not a been hurt a lot of times and maybe she's got because she didn't can yell scream at you enough because she was wore out by what you did i mean it's really time to give everybody a break around us not just to start cutting a lot of slack for a lot of people and that is saying well i know they know because i know that i know that they could have known if they would have known and you go just erase all that it's not erased it's a clean sheet in a really clean slate now let's just write on what we really want that's a choice we have but when you go to your own death and you know preparing to die what is it you'd want your mom to know about you why she brought into this world a bitchy lady who was always bitching because things weren't right for her for some it was grateful for what she got as much as she could see that when you're fifteen to eighteen years old you never going but it's just time now as a condensing of time you come to die what is the message of slough this world you know i have never found that when i've reduced it down it came to anything else but that and i've taken it the other way and it's always come to that i have i've told people love is how about this thing is it's a beginning in the and my god  got to be someplace in between if i am not in it and i got a look at me to find out what i did not to be in it i almost nine times out of ten somebody went against what my ego pronounced as what it wanted everything was right according to my ego and someplace inside of you like deep down in the center heart area you go well i knew that and if you knew that you can proclaim it afterwards and you know beforehand why are we so stupid not to follow it that's the training point in our life and the turning point where we learn to find this and listen to the intuition speak and we become true to the integrity and we decide the quality of our life inside is what we're after not a quantity but a quality it's a sea unconditional love does not have a reach on touching and caring to it conditional love does if i love you can say well judge this one person you shook their hand and to me you hyginus other person you pat him on the back why wouldn't you hug them all the same or shake all their hands because of who they are the unconditional love you recognize the restrictions that placed on themselves so to love them i came into that condition to do that they didn't have that would have been there could see them with your mom you got her in a conditional place because she's got conditions but that doesn't mean that when she's not there you cannot love her unconditionally and it doesn't mean you can't say oh mom i wished i could just put my arms around you and just kiss you and tell you what it is from deep inside if that's something for you that is very very important then you got to say mom i don't know if you can be able to take this i have something i want to say this may be nicer than anything i've ever said before do you think you can take it or she says or says well i think you're saying that i don't think you believe a ball in telling mom i'm sane and it's not a belief and i wouldn't want you to believe it it's what's going on right now and i knew it might be hard for you nevertheless it's still coming here it is and i'm not going to keep it at you because of your condition and you have a right to express but not to inflict upon her so you tell her i have something that i want to share with you that i think is very nice she went i think it's nice and all but you never asked her ahead of time to judge it when i was very young much younger than today we tell people i have a l t for you and that always meant to tell them something loving but you would not tell them to they had a t l for you so you'd have something very nice that you heard that somebody said but you didn't tell them to they find out something very nice that they heard somebody say about you they could just about drive you frustrate you play all night long thinking who can said something nice about me so then you go along trying to get somebody some say something nice about this person so you go back to him and tell him something nice you hear because you had a chance you got chance to go verify they had tell you who said it and you got to go ask them did you say such as such and see what they'd say so it was called you know the gossip circles i lived in had nice things going and it was really a mutual admiration society meeting and everyone for years and years and years and years and years we did this now you can hear this every day sometimes more like christmas nothing new for a year but it was something that we all loved to hear and i took from that that i think all of us are that none of us want to hear bad things said about us no matter how true it is or how false is and after all it's not their place to say that's our place because that's our thing but we all like to hear something good said about us name because say who wants to because after all it's their thing and that we did the good thing and now doesn't fit in any kind of reasonable ness but that's the way it works in humans how many love to hear bad things said about you i would love to hear good things said well my hands up never the less people are going to say bad things i guess is just to keep us balanced we don't want to use to get to be like gods so we'll say a bad thing sing felt like hell i wouldn't want people i would want to leave a meeting like this and have people say it was going really good till jr got there then he made us feel like hell but i'm not to sure that some people haven't walked away saying that but i think if i were to take a vote i'd find more on that thank god he was there than the thank god he was or was he hadn't been there and part of the voter that is every time we hold something new and more people show up than in this car yeah after five years a need to new transmission so much for new cars the new shirts new pants yeah they wore and ripped up so much for them but the new use that continually comes new so when you find that place inside is natural move some misses how old are you have the foggiest idea you start answering how old your body is because why that's the expected answer for that question how old are you my body you know say my body but you say it is and you give the age before i said what does that mean inside of you you would give me an intellectual thing called well it means so many years ago by a gold watch that you say well the sun and the moon through the seasons the snow in the wind in the rain i go you tell me about stuff out there what is that inside of you and you'll end up saying i just don't know but it's so nice to know that i don't know because i know that i have no idea of what age is i am always just me that place never dies because if i tell you when did it begin and when to the end you just don't know it's often the mis in that remarkable thing to know that you are a mystical person you're in the midst of the past in the midst of the future and you don't know where it is not you are now  it's like all of a sudden somebody stopped the picture and here you are and we're now looking at you prison is going to roll again and you'll disappear but you'll always be rogers closing words we're in which means the blessings already are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book by john roger journey of a soul call this number one eight hundred eight nine nine two six six five you can send e mail to service desk at m s i a dot o r gene or write to that which is post office box five one three nine three five los angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one dash one nine three five this has been that which is with john roger thanks for 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