okay then we will move on to public comment and i do have one request to speak for public comment and that susan h hello i'm speaking as a member of the public right now and a representative of coast co ast which is an organization the initials stand for coalition for sustainable transportation and what i wanted to just let you know is that coast is being the umbrella for a new concept for reducing traffic  injuries and deaths it's called vision zero and of course that means the goal is zero traffic injuries and deaths and it fits really well with public works and everything that is the mission already for public works and the traffic division and so we're already moving in that direction and what i hope is that with as partners  with people in the community as well as with the city that we'll be able to do more than we've been able to do in the past just because of a more energy into it from many different areas so this model of vision zero is already in effect in new york city and in san francisco and for several years and they have had really good success reducing injuries and deaths already so it's pretty impressive and as we know we do have a problem with injuries and deaths in our small city and so this is an effort to  add energy to that and our plan is to find other allies to partner with and one of our first jobs will be to  help craft a resolution that we hope can go on the agenda of the city council in the next few so and as far as you know how do you do it how do you reduce injuries and deaths more of what we're already doing of course with the city but including more education and policies would be involved and infrastructure those are the things that i know about and we just hope that this will be a wonderful addition to what's already being done right thank you if there's no more public comment well no oh thank you sorry about that i abused the position and didn't fill out a slip mike jordan city planning commissioner i just wanted to stop by we've rotated liaisons that started the year so this is your first committee meeting and i'm trying to think back might have been five years ago in my first year that i was lays on here so you pretty much have all turned over i know hillary bob you and i have sat on a downtown host table together so we know each other but i just wanted to give you a face to a name i you won't normally see me here this is my one thursday off a month compiling commission so you have the unfortunate  and night that you're not going to see me but i do annoy everybody at home watching channel eighteen or sneaked away to my computer so the point i wanted to make really was it what resonates with me may not be what you think i should know about so i will watch and i do see the agendas and i do shy i am interested but that doesn't necessarily mean that i'm taking what you thought i should have take back to planning commission lunch meetings or planning commission and so i just like to encourage you that if there is something you do you think has a connection to something that's going on to the commission or something we will be talking about or a particular project that kind of falls within the scope of the committee then certainly ask staff to reach out and poke me and get me engaged and have me watch a particular item for sure you could you i'm happy to share my email staff will share my email address with you and we could talk back and forth something that that really you think we should engage on so i'm gonna scoot out of here so don't take it personally but i just wanted to make sure you had a name to the face thanks thank you question under the tcc comments i'm not sure what paragraph it is but i'll read what i wrote here it says ms blackerby pointed out that the oakland that oak park is hard to get to especially from the state street side and i was a little confused are you were if you're referring to oak park then i think i'm assuming you mean alomar along i mean i guess the eastern side of the park so the east side of the park so what does that talent i guess is what it is it's up against but the state street and the end closest to state street is well okay okay as opposed to inappro i know there's a lack of sidewalk along a part of a lamar there too  yeah yes for sure okay thank you that's all i wanted well clarify that in minutes okay okay so i have a motion and a second  y so the first item on our agenda is the election of the chair and vice chair for the next year sure what the best way to go about that is so usually on this item you know you'll get a nomination from one of the group just i'll just note traditionally the vice chair becomes the the chair so if you're willing the the committee members may want to do that and then but we do need to know who that vice chair will be as well so yes we're gonna have peter brown our mobility coordinator come up and do that i just want to say that as things are heating up in the bicycle master plan staff is getting extremely excited about all the work we're doing and peter's just doing a wonderful job and excited to present everything we've done to today to turbo's members of the committee one minor correction to mister dayton is what i'm not going to present everything we've done today i'm gonna give maybe about a ten minute overview of what we've accomplished if folks are watching or the committee members want to take note we've tentatively scheduled an april th city council update so we will do probably a more robust update for the council that work to date and an upcoming excitement as we move forward with the bike master plan one thing i will say is that i feel like we've hired the right consultants with our team of melndez piers have been very responsive and very professional in terms of meeting  goals that the council has set out the primary one is doing a robust and broad community outreach process in order to really gauge the pulse of the community and find out what santa barbara wants to do next with the bike master plan so what i'm going to do today is i'm going to show you a couple things we have these are not live links for the public they're not on the internet or the world wide web but they may be soon when they're finalized but i'm going to give you all a sneak preview of some of the things we've done in terms of our bikes cycle master plan website as well as the beginnings of thoughts around an online survey so one of the things i think that's that's most important to note that we've accomplished before we take a look at the website is our baseline data analysis we've we've looked at collisions actually derek and vedad from traffic engineering are here and they've done some great work in terms of analyzing the data we have categorizing it by location and type of collisions between cyclists and drivers or cyclists alone or cyclist and pedestrians so we have a really good start and we've we've got some  maps for where those collisions are taking place and where they're concentrated so the next step is to figure out those categories are more types of left turn or right turn collisions orderings occurring when someone opens a door into a bike lane where those occurring and what numbers over the last ten years so i'm very pleased with the work to date a big push obviously for the bike plan will be safety we've heard that loud and clear from members of the public and from the council that'll be a reoccurring theme so that baseline data is looking very good i would also say that the month of may looks to be well it's cycle mania here in santa barbara county  with the ma y and all caps and we are lining up to do three probably more like five some we're calling them summits these will be our big neighborhood meetings during around mid may  have a bilingual presentation all of our materials will be in spanish as well so we want to make sure we're inclusive to the latino community which i think is a pretty high number here in santa barbara's around thirty or forty percent and then we also are going to move away from just traditional charette style or let's all pile into a room and talk about a plan and one of the ways we're gonna do that hopefully at the end of may on may th we have a tentative date for what we're calling a pop up  we're go out into the community in physical space we don't not quite sure where yet but we will maybe attempt to design a bike facility for a day invite the community to come out experience it give us their feedback maybe take our survey that they haven't done so  yet and really have i would call an interactive bike planning exercise which i think is important and our consultant has experienced doing this before so that is also good those are some of the highlights that come to mind  to pay attention for as we move forward and let's just take a look now at our not live draft website we're gonna have a couple of things this is something that mister dayton has been pushing us hard to make sure we accomplished and that is a cutting edge multimedia video that's three to five minutes long that really captures the essence of what the bike plan may or may not do and what the community's thoughts are about  it this is a really important piece that you know you'll see it anytime you use social media these days you know especially younger people are very familiar and accustomed to seeing these videos to process information so we're gonna pretty much have everyone take a look at the video who comes to our website  this is kind of a draft of what the website will look like viewing the video hopefully will be a precursor to taking the survey and it'll really frame the survey so that the ten or so survey questions we're going to take a peek at those as  well will will really be best answered after you've looked at the video this tab here i know the bike coalition and and mister france could speak to this perhaps in more detail if he chooses has already done something like this where they've had an interactive google map and they've had people drop pins and points and identify where there could be improvements obstacles we'd like to do that again and a broad based approach we think that's a really good way to gather information so if you want to share your thoughts you can talk to us about a favorite destination a desirable bike route a difficult crossing or even an undesirable bike route you can give us the location you can describe a little bit if you want name an email and then well that's that's different that's just a you want it to be private or public and this is a way for us to gather so well you'll be able to fill out this brief information and drop a pin somewhere in the city and you know describe that i'll just use an example here getting under castillo street is a problem for a bicyclist and and then you know the more we hear this reoccurring themes it'll really help us direct our attention maybe even bring caltrans into the room so that is a look at kind of our interactive mapping and questionnaire type and we'll also of course have our video we'll have a summary of what the plan is supposed to do the online survey will be here we'll have the project timeline you can follow us on facebook or twitter the facebook page is live you can like santa barbara s b facebook and that'll be another place where you can follow activities again i would say these neighborhood summits these five meetings or so are going to be right around mid may the last one will be the last day of may may thirtieth on a saturday that's our pop up activity event and this is another thing that we've spent a lot of time on just so you're all aware is this outreach and media strategy so we really have in about ten pages or so that just an outline and a detail of you name it if you have an organization that wants a detailed aisle down on the bike master plan we will come to you we will show you our website we will give you a one on one chance to give us your feedback i don't know how many of these we're gonna schedule but we're gonna say yes as long as we can until we have to say no because we've already done thirty or forty of them so the stakeholder roadshows i'm gonna send out an email pretty soon to a list of stakeholders that i have so far and just say hey schedule us invite us let us know what time what day and we will come to you and this will give us another chance to meet that council directive of every group gets their chance to weigh in and then the last thing i'll show you and then i'll wrap up and open for questions is the survey that i've had some input from a lot of staff so far and i'm welcome to input from the committee but right now in a draft form we'll have the video again the same video from the last page and then a set of questions things like what's your primary mode of transportation i take the most number of trips in a week from one of these modes do you identify with any of these groups we've got business owners are you a female or your student go through all the questions but we do think that the way the survey is structured and the type of questions were asking is really gonna help us drill down in the plan on what the community wants we will be able to filter this by different categories and we'll be able to really get an understanding of what the communities after do they want to preserve on street parking is that a number one goal does the community really want to see existing bike infrastructure improved do they want to close gaps in the system we're asking all of these really important questions and so the survey is something that we're only gonna have people fill out once you can't go back and survey again and again i'm not sure who has time for that but that won't be allowed but this is just a peek at where we are  and i don't know if mister dayton has anything to wrap up but i think for me that kind of gives you the feel of how far we've come the next month we'll we'll start to get the media outreach out there we'll start schedule the stakeholder road shows april th will be a council update kind of a the video in spanish we could have we could have subtitles on some of the stuff that's going to be a little more difficult technically but certainly the survey was gonna be super important will be in spanish because if you have to watch the video to do the survey yeah you should know what right and a lot of it's visual and graphic so that's one of the nice things about the about the video is it's not going to be language intensive it's going to be a lot of pictures it's going to be a few snippets and sound bites  but again you know if anyone if anyone needs any spanish language translation i am here to help you so i invite that madam chair peter thank you for all the hard work you put into this it sounds like it's well roadshow how long approximately is is a presentation the presentation will be in that fifteen to twenty minute range i'd rather have the stakeholder roadshows focus on conversation and input from the groups we go to okay so that would leave that you know forty two i guess we could schedule even ninety minute meetings but for me do what we can in an hour and even spend an extra thirty minutes at the end if the conversation needs to go longer did you have any particular type of group in mind we we are as open as we need to be so all those groups are included i don't know if i specifically add them i have an ongoing google spreadsheet and any any suggestion you have the one that you just made mister birnam that will be included so and we will invite them to schedule with us thank you whole lot of neighborhood associations we have very active components of the community they're on our list a lot of our nonprofit organizations on our list government partners mtd certainly would be one that we'd think about  engaging again i'd say that right now that stakeholder list is around fifty or sixty organizations or individuals or neighborhood leaders long but what i do what i do right now as opposed to like craft that list with tcc as i would invite you to send me an email or to send anyone here an email robber or kim and we will add any suggestion you have specifically to include to make sure that we make them available to those groups thank you i'm sorry if i if i miss this but just a quick question when when you all plan to have the video online and kind of launch the video and survey that's a good question mister france today is february th i'd say give us about two more weeks and i think in that timeframe i know there's a state of the city presentation coming up  i believe that the mayor is considering doing a minute or two on the bicycle master plan update we certainly are pondering having that video run at that time and be having the survey be available that's another audience that we can certainly  invite to come to the page so we're in that two to three week time frame great anything else on the bicycle master plan update all right then we will move on to the cliff drive community and engagement process and outcome good evening chair boetsch and community members my name is derek bailey i'm with the city's traffic engineering group and i'm gonna share with you a project that we're working on a potential cliff drive traffic safety project so just a outline of the presentation to go through kind of the purpose why i'm here tonight some of the background of how we got here it's kind of an interesting journey grant opportunity that we have for this project the public outreach that we've done  the project description and trade offs and the next steps where we're going to go from here so the purpose it really boils down to this spring probably in april there's going to be a call for projects for a traffic safety grant and we need the public's input should we go for it should we pursue this grant opportunity for traffic safety changes on cliff drive so just by way of background the line in red on the map shows the old state route two hundred and twenty five as it works its way down las positas road and then cliff drive over through the mesa over to the castillo street interchange january two thousand and fourteen the state of california relinquished everything that is here in red to the city of santa barbara so they're now city streets through this process we attended a lot of community meetings a lot of neighborhood farms just people sharing their vision with us for what they want cliff drive mostly cliff drive to be like las positas is included in the corridor but a lot of what we heard is cliff drive cuts through the mesa neighborhood and they a lot of people expressed an interest in having it feel more like a neighborhood street so some of the specific things we heard about is cliff drive should have bike lanes you know there was a bike lane project implemented on cliff drive in two thousand and eleven but it did end it only did about half and so there's some interest in continuing that make it continuous improved and more frequent pedestrian crossing locations i was a big one improved lighting there was a lighting project a few years ago but again it didn't cover the whole corridor and a continuous center left turn lane it's kind of starts and stops depending on where you are in the corridor right now as well we have been talking to santa barbara city college they're a big stakeholder along the corridor and they've expressed a desire for improved safety along their frontage so the expected grant opportunity that we have like i said there's we're expecting a call for projects  april it's called the highway safety improvement program a chip for short it's administered by caltrans but it's federal money and the improvements that we propose as part of the project have to be based on a demonstrated collision history so a good example would be if you had a turn in the road and somebody kept there was just a pattern of people firing off the end of that road a guardrail would be a good solution to that so for this been in the past will be quite competitive and we're pretty optimistic that if we do go for this grant opportunity that we will get a word of the project so just some other nearby projects that are happening on this corridor there's this project that we're talking about what i've shown in red here kind of shows the areas that this project would be the dashed line there that's the restriping that what happened in two thousand and eleven the roundabout that is in design right now that city council has approved funding for that's expected to be under construction in two thousand and sixteen so lots lots of things going on on the corridor all touching one another and we have to be thoughtful about how they all fit together this shows an aerial diagram of the restriping that was done in two thousand and eleven so this is road on the left side of this green here and this is cliff drive as we're moving east and we're going from two lanes in each direction to the one lane in each direction with bike lanes wider parking lanes and center turn lane so that's the restriping that was done in two thousand and eleven and overall we've received very positive comments on that restriping that was done and a lot of questions we get is well why why didn't it go further so it's it's not as straightforward once you start moving to the west and those are some of the trade offs that we really wanted to talk to the community about and make sure that they had a full understanding of everything that was involved so project description like i mentioned this this restriping that we would potentially do as part of this project not as straightforward as the restriping that was done in two thousand and eleven between meg's and santa barbara city college the two big factors that makes it complicated is the shopping center traffic around the migs road intersection and as well the complex intersection at cliff drive and mesa lane flora vista it's a offset intersection meaning the two side streets don't come in right across from one another like most intersections do and that creates a special challenge that i'll talk about in a sec here soon anyway because of these challenges the public we really wanted the public to understand what those challenges are and the trade offs involved with doing a like was done a few years ago so public outreach done to date we went to the city council on september th last year just to give them heads up about this project because it is a grant opportunity  to bring some money into the community and make some traffic safety improvements but it wasn't in the city's six year cip at the time we do have it in there now for the next budget cycle but we really wanted their permission to start engaging with the community about this because it wasn't something that had been publicly that it before we had a public workshop on november th at monroe school and the mesa that we had a great turnout had a really good discussion with the community really good engagement just to talk about the trade offs and kind of get their feedback about are we on the right track or not as well we had a we made a city website presentation it was santa barbara c a gov backslash cliff drive and we had what was we called on there a virtual public meetings so we had a video that showed the presentation we gave on november th and as well there was the same common form that people could get feedback to us so we gathered all that feedback and i'm here to share that feedback with you tonight what we heard from the community so i'm going to kind of go through some of the trade offs and then i'll also talk about what we heard from the community about those here because the two streets don't line up with one another we have to have these side by side left turn lanes in order to provide access into the neighborhoods and those side by side left turn lanes if you look on either side of the screen as cliff drives approaching this intersection the traffic lanes actually bend out towards the curb because we get this fatter area here in the center in order to accommodate the the left turn the the traffic lanes out here there just isn't that much room between the lanes and the curb as you would see say a couple hundred feet to the east so there's not enough room for bike lanes that's the that's the conundrum we have here  widening the road would be very expensive so that wasn't considered to be a viable option like i said the side by side left turn lanes does create a problem  there's storage in each of those side by side left turn lanes for three vehicles so three vehicles can stack up waiting to turn into the neighborhood this is the solution that we identified so instead of the back to back left or the side by side left turn lanes we create two shorter back to back left turn lanes and because they're not side by side anymore they're fit into a tighter area in the middle of the road then there's there's room to do things on the outside of the road like like a bike lane so this is the this is the big trade off that we really wanted the community to understand these back to back left turn lanes can hold two vehicles not three we know that about ten percent of the time during peak hours that we need storage for three vehicles and here's what's going to happen you're going to get that third vehicle is going to spill out into the through lane that's a trade off that's a big trade off you know it affects the capacity of the intersection but of in terms of how to allocate space within this area it does provide us an opportunity to get bike lanes through this intersection and so we asked the community point blank like we we showed them this graphic and  you know explained the trade off seventy seven percent thought it was a good trade off that's pretty high in in government world so anyway we we took that feedback is  you know we want to move forward with this that's what the community told us by saying that some of the other features that we would have to do and in addition to the restriping is we'd have to rearrange the traffic signal indications just because we're moving the left turn lanes and we'd have to make the left turn arrows and everything a little bit easier to see so we would actually put in islands on either side of the intersection and there'd be new poles in the middle holding traffic signal indications so just thought this was a good trade off the other complicated thing on this corridor is the shopping center traffic so this is an aerial of cliff drive as it passes by the shopping center just west of mi s there's a lot of lot of driveways along here that did feed into the shopping center and as well across the street along the south side of cliff drive a lot of businesses have driveways a lot of turning movements vehicles turning in and out of these driveways there's enough going on here and the traffic volumes are high enough that we should maintain two lanes in each direction so that that's complicated because we were you were talking about with the community potentially going down to one lane in each direction the good news is that the street is wide enough that we can actually narrow the lanes a little bit it's a sixty four foot wide street we can still maintain perfectly adequate lane wits ten and a half to eleven feet throughout the lanes and get enough room for a striped bike lane on the outside of the street without that's that's pretty straightforward that's that kind of restriping is is pretty non controversial one thing we wanted to talk to the community about was this potential concept of wide narrow wide which talked about here we just talked about the intersection of mason lane and flora vista we need to continue to lanes in each direction just through that intersection just to get through there because of the traffic signal phasing and we need two lanes in each direction in front of the shopping center what to do in the middle that's why i say wide narrow wide one option is to go one lane in each direction we would taper from two lanes down to one lane in each direction with the bike lanes the center turn lane and the wide parking lanes on either side another option is just continue two lanes in each direction between the two but that would blow out all the parking on the street so what we heard from everybody or most people is that sixty seven percent like the idea of one lane in each direction so that that seems to be pretty good direction for staff a few other things that we talked about that we don't have to decide right now because it's just striping and paint on the road is one is the cliff and miggs intersection currently there's a when you're going eastbound there's two lanes to three lanes that continue through the intersection and then when you get east of the intersection those two lanes merge into one right there and a lot of people find that awkward  you know we we heard from a lot of people that they don't like that merge what's not shown on the aerial diagram here is lighthouse that feeds down to washington elementary school is just off the edge of that picture and our people turning onto washington or they going straight and so people a lot of people we talked to you found that to be a kind of an awkward configuration an alternative oh there's the merge an alternative to that is to do one lane through and turn this outside lane into a forced right turn lane that gets rid of that merge condition on the east side he's bound through eastbound dedicated right the only downside to that is that the queue length in that through lane for eastbound is going to get a little bit longer and it might get a little bit harder for people to get out of the driveways for these businesses so it's not something we need to decide now as we're applying for the grant will study it in a little bit more detail between now and project and we do not recommend a westbound dedicated right turn lane so that that one is pretty straightforward further east this is the cliff drive as it's passing by the west campus  city college there's low malta the bike lanes and just at the left edge of the aerial diagram here it's kind of awkward because students a lot of students want to continue on to the east campus where there's a lot of activity on for the santa barbara city college we can accommodate bike lanes here pretty easily actually if we eliminate this raised median again we can do the same kind of thing that we just talked about in front of the shopping center by just moving the lanes and a little bit towards the center of the street really quite easy to do and removing the medians not detrimental meet medians are a great tool that we have traffic engineering for what we call access control so if we have driveways that are near intersections and sometimes streets are just so busy we don't want people turning left out of those driveways really close to intersections can be a traffic safety issue if we put a meeting in and forces everybody to turn right so access control we're controlling how people access the road and access sites in in this case there is no access along here the the nearest access is way out at the end of the median so we could remove that median not affect access control at all and accommodate bike lanes so at this end of the cliff drive corridor it seems pretty straightforward as well further east as you start heading down the viaduct towards castillo street that gets really complicated and we we don't have a plan for that area yet but as far as restriping to get cyclists this far from there it's an easy connection on the loma alta which gets you down to the beach and onto the east campus as well so this seems to be a really good connection point  other thing that we wanted to engage the community about was future pedestrian improvements on cliff drive we don't have any money and funding identified right now but we hope to soon and we want to know from the community where to start  because it's a high speed corridor just putting paint down on the ground and a couple for us and green signs on the side of the road isn't gonna change driver behavior and make pedestrians more noticeable to drivers if you think people driving forty or forty five miles an hour how much ground you can cover so fast you know a painted line across the street drivers come up on that pretty quick compared to when they're driving twenty five or thirty miles an hour  so it's going to take something more active like a traffic signal like the flashing beacons that we're using something to get drivers attention from further distance away so we ask the community if where should we start and the folks at the meeting said communal all over area which is immediately west of that shopping center just west of miggs those those two intersections you know common oliver are really close to one another so if we were to provide a crossing at either one of those locations functionally that it kind of accomplished the same thing and the other location is santa cruz we've heard a lot about santa cruz even dating back to when this was a still a caltrans facility that's the way about midway between meigs and sound of arbor city college so  horn but just before you go on to this next step could i ask something about the one of the traffic situations you were talking about here i didn't quite figure out what my question was when you were on it but you were talking about parking is going to be eliminated if there's a bike lane put in between music let's see starting like it oliver toward l that section and and i don't you know i live right there and i rarely see anyone parking on that road on either side right in my area yeah we we've noticed that can i come back to that i think it'd be good to go back to that slide this is my last slide and then i'll so the the next steps for our our process is applied for the hsip grant and like i said that's probably going to be in april when caltrans does a call for projects will likely get the results from that back in summer of two thousand and sixteen and construction summer two thousand and fifteen i'm sorry that's when we will get the results back this summer in construction likely in late two thousand and sixteen early two thousand and seventeen we'll try and do it at the same time that the roundabout is being built so that the everything just fits seamlessly together tho se two adjacent projects thanks for your patience i'm going to go back to a different slide there it is okay so  two options that we talked about with the community in this section between mesa lane and florida that's that offset intersection and shopping center at meg's is what to do in between because we we know we have to have two lanes in each direction in front of the shopping center and we know we have to have two lanes in each direction through this complex intersection one option is to taper from two lanes in each direction down to one lane in each direction that means we still have enough room on the outside of the road for on street parking the other alternative is just to maintain two lanes in each direction and that would in order to have enough width to have two lanes in each direction we wouldn't have enough room for on street parking  either way that we are going to have to get rid of a little bit more parking down towards mason lane and flora vista just where the lanes taper together there's a bit of a condition there that we need to eliminate parking h and a center turn lane either way it's just the question is do you want parking and one lane in each direction or no parking and two lanes in each direction and looking at the feedback we got it was sixty seven percent of people liked the one lane in each direction and twenty one percent two lanes in each direction and twelve percent didn't have an opinion what i heard at the meeting was one of the big reasons people like the one lane in each direction is they they like how they like the feel between meg's and city college better than two lanes in each direction it wasn't necessarily the the parking they were most concerned of but they anybody parking in that section it's pretty sparse you have noticed yeah yeah there's a little bit more down towards floor vista that i've noticed but especially as you get east closer to the shopping center there's not a lot of on be roadway concerns and you mentioned the pedestrian concerns is is there any priority or effort in the project to look at at sidewalk project it is a federally funded project and the federal government the way they've set up the program is that the features that they'll pay for they have to correct some safety issue that's been demonstrated by a collision history so if we had a pattern of pedestrians walking in the street because there were no sidewalks in a certain area you know then they would potentially fund sidewalks but  in horrible condition the surfaces is inconsistent parting part of its dirt part of it's a real rough gravel going down to the westbound near side bus stop for mtd and beyond that that whole sidewalk along there and it's completely different from the sidewalk on the east side and i'm wondering if there's any any prospect of improving that that's particularly stretch being it's that improved upon with this corridor unfortunately when we did take the corridor on it didn't come with any prospects of additional funding so we we do have to see grants like this in order to make improvements and right now there doesn't appear to be any grants to make that specific improvement that you're talking of i know exactly it's that island right in front of the little frontage road and i know it there's a bus stop there the access to the bus stop is drive right turn onto meg's or lighthouse one of the options would be a dedicated right turn lane from meg's onto from cliff on to mix eastbound cliff to mix thank you yeah and on that i think one of the parts side so i attended the the thing at the monroes monroe school right which i really appreciated i thought was very interesting was cool to see a bunch of people there and i thought the presentation was really well done made very clearly and then broken out into groups to where people could really drill down and talk about what they want to see in their neighborhood that one piece with the force right turn lane which i think is great was that you know it's much safer for bicyclists because the bike lane would continue on to the left of the forest right turn lane and they wouldn't have to compete as they do now sometimes to either juke over a lane or just hope someone doesn't hit them when they turn right so that that was a real benefit and i appreciate at the the floor vista piece you're working with what you got it's kind of horrible and i want to know who we can blame in our city's history for for making the happen that configuration i'm also curious as as if you know why that raised median was put there anybody know where that came from at the one bite city college just because it looks nice i don't know it was so weird i've always wondered because it's not keeping and if anything it gives kind of a false sense of security if someone wanted to run across the street to like i've seen people like standing on it earlier it's not helpful so i think it's a great great idea to try to bust that up and and move forward so yeah i hope i hope you're successful with the grants if i know derek bailey i know that  say this scan knows how to get grant money so i'm very excited can't wait for it to come and then can't wait for the ribbon cutting ceremony where we unveil all of the things done on cliff and las positas and i'm just i just am really appreciative of staff that you've gone this far and worked worked with what you've been given taking over the facility and just working to really make it all fit well together and make it a lot safer  appreciate it thank you before you ask any more questions derek do you want to tell them about to the west of flora vista plans down the hill i don't think he presented i'm just trying to get to an aerial photograph might help okay this is as good as we have here so this is mesa lane and two lanes in each direction and the next stop once you're west of this area you go down the hill and that's when you get to the las positas intersection that's currently they always stop that's where the roundabouts going in that roundabouts going to have one entry lane and one exit lane so at that point when you're at the las positas intersection it's one lane in each direction and so somewhere in between the roundabout and this intersection here we've got to go from one lane in each direction and it's in terms of capacity it's not really needed until we get closer to this intersection so that gives us an opportunity to do some different things what we're thinking about doing as as part this would interface with the roundabout project as we've put in what's called buffered bike lanes so we'd have bike lanes over on the side of the road adjacent to the curb and then there'd be a striped out area between the cycle path and the travel lane so that that gives cyclists an increased sense of comfort especially adjacent to traffic that's generally traveling between forty and fifty miles an hour along that stretch so  that's one improvement as far as thinking way long term down the road and this is something that would really have to come out of the bike master plan to gauge the community's interest in something like this but instead of those buffered bike lanes we could have perhaps a separated class one path running along the south side of the road similar to what was done on shoreline you know build a little landscaped raised area separating the traffic lanes from the potential class one along the south side so there's a lot of room to play with here just because it is a wide street and it really opens up possibilities of things we can do i said the the bike master plan is a great forum to think long term and creat vision for cycling on the corridor what we're doing is more paint you know we think it'll improve things for cyclists definitely but there is opportunities in the future to go even beyond this  one thing i didn't mention and i'm really sorry when we had the public meeting in november one thing we were envisioning as part of the project would be a traffic signal at the city college west campus driveway and it's not so much a collision problem that we have at that intersection but it's congestion and it's pedestrian scattering across the street trying to get to the bus stop for westbound cliff drive but there has been a really strong collision history there like we've had in other parts of the corridor for cyclists but nonetheless due to the congestion in between classes especially when students try to leave and everybody's to get on the campus and off the campus at the same time traffic just really backs up onto campus like you can't even see the end of the queue it's so bad a traffic signal there would definitely improve operations but because the traffic signal is more justified from a congestion perspective and not necessarily a collision reduction perspective we've since learned that it's not something that caltrans would fund through this grants they've kind of changed the way some of the things of  some of the qualifiers for this grant cycle so unfortunately it's not something that we can include still appears to be a need there it's not a high safety need compared to some of the other things in the city but from a congestion i'm really really impressed with that the community wanted things to be slowed down you know the sense i get from the comments they made or slowed down traffic and living on mohawk road as i did and using the shopping center i've i noticed then as a mother with young children and to this day that it is not a friendly place to take your child in a stroller and walk to the market and and i'm  delighted that the city now has the road and we can make some improvements and i do remember my my memory might be faulty but but i do recollect i believe that there was one pedestrian fatality in the elderly gentleman and that street at sunset is deadly i've always been very nervous driving into the sunset on cliff drive when i especially when i used to live there and then turn into my street so having experienced the modifications on milpas that have been so helpful when you see flashing lights if there's a pedestrian i think it's going to be really important on cliff drive to not only slow the concepts seem to be very helpful and make people more comfortable walking in these areas because i would really like to envision cliff drive feeling much more like a neighborhood route and i would love to see that because there's still lots of young families up on the mesa i would like to see that more you know moms with kids and strollers feeling comfortable to go to the market rather than feeling like she has to get in the car for a two block drive because it's it's too dangerous to cross cliff drive so i have a question how long is your how far do you go back on the collision history andy and you said you have bicycle collisions seemed i just want a little more information under what collisions you've had how long you've looked at it and if you do have any pedestrian injuries or anything documented in along that whole corridor thank you very great questions and comments as far as what collision data we can use to apply for this grant program minimum five years maximum ten so kind of anything between two thousand and four and fourteen is what we're looking at so unfortunately dating back to the s it doesn't help us for this grant program obviously any time you're dealing with forty forty five mile an hour traffic the potentials there you know and when there is a bicycle overall it's been pretty low there was one around communal coma there have been a few further down towards city college but they're not the challenging thing is they're not concentrated at one location whereas  when when we make a grant application and we've we've used this same grant program we're going to be doing five new in house crossings like the ones just mentioned on memphis and cabrillo later on this year we've got five in the queue at those locations one of them is state street and khaya paulo colorado up by mackenzie park when we do our collision map there's a big red dot on that intersection because collisions are happening over and over again in the same location so when we make a grant application we can point to a really specific location with a really specific improvement and the caltrans and the federal government are confident that the money that they're putting into the program is going to address the problem when we look at cliff drive and everything so spread out like that it's hard to say putting in a crossing here is going to address collisions that happened over here and over here so teenager and then finally did something doesn't mean you know i don't want there to be one big thing happening on cliff drive that finally forces people to affect things and and i guess i've one other comment when i spend time up there i live in hidden valley now so i still drive up on the mesa quite a bit it's not at all unusual to see people kind of scooting across the street where i'm gonna date myself for sure the ice patch used scary ice skating rink it's a it's an accounting firm and a bunch of offices now but but you see people scooting across that street at jaywalking it's not at all unusual maybe going from that rest i don't i don't love that it's forty to forty five or fifty miles an hour on that whole road personally i think it would be great if it was slower all the way from las positas to city college so that's my personal bias if anything we can do islands and narrowed lanes that encourage people to drive slower through there would be great  i remember we were looking at speeds right immediately before we did that change and i'm wondering if you all had any input on any change in vehicle speeds since that transition along the section that had the road diet mister frantz there hasn't been a significant change in speeds before or after the prevailing speed before was if i remember right just over forty five miles an hour and now it's forty four point some so it's there hasn't been a significant difference in the speeds one thing that would be a little bit different that we would do compared to the restriping that was done is we would have different lane whips caltrans uses twelve foot wide traffic lanes whether they're on a freeway or a street cutting through the new mesa twelve foot lanes is their standard the wider the lanes you have the more comfortable people feel going fast you're creating a more wide open environment for them there's less what we call side friction the more stuff you have going on around a driver just the less comfortable they feel going fast and likely to slow down a little bit it's completely appropriate in urban environments to use eleven foot lanes even ten foot lanes even some places that use nine foot lanes and really constrained areas but we would narrow the lanes a little bit in favor of probably a little bit wider bike lanes probably a little bit wider setter turn lane like we we did on memphis street that'd have a bit of a calming effect it wouldn't be significant but it would be probably less than what what's being experienced currently between mags and city college yeah and i guess i had a comment so it's a chan do you pronounce it echoing the voices of a lot of mesa residents who the bike lanes are important to but there's all kinds of ancillary benefits in terms of the main street through the mesa that this project also fulfills and i think that's great i think it's great that were able to that you all are able to so to bring home some some funds to do some neighborhood improvements that were desired no matter what there's also an improvement for for bicyclists and for the  network i wanted to just make a little bit of standing on a soapbox so you know for a lot of people it seems really odd that the way these federal funds are divvied out is kind of after the fact after injury it's kind of a morbid system to to award funds and something that i'm very heartened to see happening more and more and i think that might be happening with our mayor and the association  mayors is signing on to a sort of record for vision zero of really looking to what would our roadway system look like if it worked with zero fatalities minimal injuries  fatalities i think that that's something that i'm hopeful that even if the the federal and state awarding of funds is really based on that system that the city will increasingly look at preventing dangerous roadways from the outset over and above what's available for hsip grants so thank you for this and then another comment i want to make is about city college because certainly santa barbara city college has this massive draw i think we saw mtd with display the articulated buses this week which is a great improvement because of the volume of students taking transit there certainly beyond the capacity to park students and faculty staff coming to the campus we have significant issues with the castillo underpass in terms of capacity and safety and as we look at  cliff as the whole kind of project as you get towards santa barbara city college unfortunately where montecito goes up the hill and becomes i guess you'd call it the viaduct it goes and becomes cliff it's just kind of there's too much need there's not enough space and it goes past a really dangerous intersection and i'm really hopeful that the city can match the alternative transportation and safety efforts at santa barbara city college has been launching this year and really look at improvements along loma alta to the main city and and also alternative connections to campus such as rancheria i think there's a long standing project that kind of got shelved rancheria to connect adjacent the creek into the campus and you know santa barbara city college we talked about the mesa we can't forget about santa barbara city college and the sheer volume of people going to that campus every single day and unfortunately bicycling options are very limited just because of kind of the roadway design around the campus so i hope that as you all look at this project i certainly think it's part of it thinking about other kind of associated projects that could help improve circulation to the campus so that's it thank you thank you susan just one of their comment a lot of the underlying message seems to be that the speed limit is still too high on that highway and i mean on our neighborhood road now and i see that in the last section here you didn't put this on the board but it's it says why don't you just lower the speed limits that's the question yep and you've answered it by saying if you know mine i'll read it california vehicle code defines the procedure we have to follow to establish a speed limit and if we don't follow that procedure the speed limit is not enforceable and it's based on prevailing speed so as you say the speed limit has a speed average has not gone down and i would like to mention that in the mesa paper a month ago i think there was a big article letter you know by some a resident that is just really upset that it's so fast still and recommends that everybody slow down so that the previous speed would be measured lower i just thought that was really great but i mean it seems mean well for for example if we were to go put up thirty mile an hour speed limit signs on cliff drive the police couldn't enforce those signs because the speed survey that we  do the vehicle code which sets out the procedure that we have to follow says the speed limit should be set at forty or forty five miles an hour so we don't have the flexibility to deviate from that and as soon as we do then it becomes unenforceable the police can't enforce okay so it has nothing to do with it used to be chp that would enforce it now it's city police everybody has to everybody in california has to play by these rules okay thank you but you're right everybody votes with their foot on the gas pedal so if everybody were to slow down by five miles an hour then we could adjust the speed limit by five miles an hour measured narrow the lanes and do modifications then the speeds might slow down then you could change the speed limit yes so we we had to do a speed survey on cliff drive and las positas because the we were taking those streets into the city's inventory from the state so we had to sort of reestablish the speed limits but the speed surveys that we did had the same results had so they were well done well sat after the road changes configuration though legally we actually have to redo the speed survey because it is a different roadway configuration so we will and if there is a change in operating speeds then there's potential yep and just throw in my two cents it's the last thing here i wanted to echo everything everybody else has said and i am also wishing that the speed on that road was slower and i'm wondering what else you might be able to do to encourage people to drive more slowly and i would definitely suggest that we make the lanes the travel lanes as narrow as we safely can and wondering if we could use maybe painted medians or buffered bike lanes or you know even real medians in some places just anything any other tools that we have that would encourage people to slow down and make it more of a neighborhood street the speed people travel like we were talking about lane widths it's really based on the environment that they're driving through you know if they're out in the middle of kansas and they're it's a nice straight flat road you know it's pretty inviting to go fast but if you incorporate roadway features like medians into your roadway and you start creating that side friction that we were talking about people feel less comfortable going fast you know they talk about traffic calming that sort of thing it's really less appropriate to do traffic calming in the traditional sense like speed humps and that sort of thing on a principle arterial street i mean we have to remember this this street needs to move goods and people right doesn't have to be a forty five miles an hour but it it still needs to move goods and people so we can't look at things like speed humps but certainly things like medians trees are great traffic calming feature because they create this more closed in environment so things like that just changing the feel of the road is really what would have to happen in order to bring the speeds down unfortunately the amount of funding that we think we can get for this project go too far beyond paint on the ground  but you know i know the some of the members of the mesa neighborhood are interested in doing more physical improvements in the future yeah i would be in support of that as well but and in the meantime i'm just wondering if there are more things that can be done with just pain just you know perceptually narrowing the road making it feel like there's more friction to encourage people to slow down so we can can get those legal limits yes  fourteen wow just a year ago okay so wouldn't that in invite or a mandate re evaluation and require a new survey with new parameters to really in not only encourage but say why we need to lower the speeds it did and we did so that there was a speed survey done by the city when it became a city street and but essentially we're measuring the same traffic that you know december two thousand and thirteen same traffic a month later january two thousand and fourteen people didn't change the way they drive on the street just because overnight it became a city street so essentially we were measuring the same thing that caltrans did it's just that we had to go through the motion because it's now a city street percentile from the th percentile in terms of so it's not the average speed but it's like the percentile within the breakdowns of median speeds so anyway we're even close to getting down like five miles an hour on posted speed there do you recall when you last had that conversation mister frantz the it's the th percentile and that didn't change so just a description of the th percentile speeds if we went and measured the speed of a hundred drivers you know and say they ranged from fifteen miles an hour or up to forty miles an hour and you know and as soon as we count the th that's where we would set ability to round up or down it used to lock you in like if you're at forty two point six miles an hour you had to round up to forty five but if you're at forty two point four you could round down to forty and now we have the flexibility to go either way i can't remember just i can't let this go without just asking the since the striping and all that hadn't changed yet right when you did the city the state did their measurement and then a month later the city did their measurement but there were there were no changes on the road by then so the changes were done in two thousand and eleven and so we did our survey in two thousand and fourteen yeah yeah so if we go through with these changes then we'll have to do it again and we might have different results  all i think it's you know it's a great step in the right direction thank you i'm very excited to see this happen and have every hope that you'll be successful with the grant application thank you very much  and with that i think we're all finished do we have a motion to adjourn you need it there's a motion on the item oh we have two on item five there's a motion a recommendation from staff you don't have to vote on it oh that we receive and it's exciting that we have enough to start having more meetings so please plan on that for the march twenty six twenty six they'll be at five thirty