around your host and as regular viewers know we have a chat about films we don't do sums up a thumbs down we just say we think it's very informal no script anything can happen to us to my left is janet stern and to my far left is marilyn campbell and tonight we're going to discuss a film that is probably not in the thiers by the time the show airs but it's been around for a long time kind his memories go and so there's a subplot about him trying to get something to help him with his memory but he's thinking back and writing the story of his last case we caused him to retire but he can't remember why it caused him to retire so he's very he's living in the country and his landlady's so they become friends and the landlady says very bright and they he wants to become a detective the  potion is to help his memory and in the meantime there's lots of flashbacks as to his previous cases last case that caused him to retire and that pays for your when and then it is often the case that old people older people develop and start to realize that perhaps everything that they thought was important in their way of approaching life maybe wasn't the answer and in his case of course we all was science rationality logic order but it course what we see is that he's missing some something's not complete and that there are feelings there i thought it was interesting that it also borrowed a little from left his last case which involves a woman who has lost a child and who is visiting a spiritualist and trying to get in touch with the child and and conan doyle also lost a child in world war one and became very interested in spiritualism but unfortunately he had the holmesian tick investigating and he got involved with unmasking fakes because he'd go to a spiritualist hoping that it was the real thing and he unfortunately he would notice and it would spread ok so i became involved in it along with harry houdini the two of them together worked as a team i think did because this reminded me of disavow spirituals unlike houdini who did believe there wasn't such a thing conan doyle always hoped that perhaps he would run into somebody with powers and bad but in the meantime he never never did it's because of his memory loss that you know part of the mystery is trying to cover his memory and i thought that was quite clever and of course not like the original stories for holmes is the master of  yeah but i think that that one of the things that where they're trying to mesh their stories which doesn't work i don't know how you felt bob i didn't feel the meshing of the raft case and the current with one case and forget about the side issues it is please forgive me because i saw this a long time ago and i'm forgetting the details but i think fact that when he goes to japan this this japanese mariners see holmes who is of course famously myside an estate also meets a woman and it's not is that he doesn't like her it's that he is the frightened to make a commitment to her that she makes a gesture of saying perhaps we could have a relationship and he pushes her way and that vats which he is regretting when he's has this relationship with the little boy all right right now one of the other things about this fellow and we've seen other films by bill condon it seems like he has a cast of characters and people who work with him he american actress who's accent is not consistent is that we we really does the eloquence of british actors puts the american into not a very good it everybody else speaks with such eloquence and such and they're so articulate and they have such with fine pronunciation and elocution so an american really comes up short i think well sentimental edge to that did you feel that when oh you were is really cute yeah he was a little kid wasn't too cute when his father had been lost in the war his mother was a recent war widow of course so that was again i forget exactly someone remind me but there was a part in there where that comes up you know what you have says exactly he became upset that she was that her husband was a truck mechanic but he didn't want to be stuck under a truck or a he would go join have homes has left london and he's rusticate himself in the country to keep bees and the natural world is something that he is you don't associate with him at all oh no i don't in the stories but now the natural world is where he's decided to put to to to retire do is to get out of the law you have to do something completely different and so the fact that it's so beautiful kind of explains how order i have to be very slow and move move slow be careful and all those things that that's the sort of precision that would also appeal to someone who was very precise in real life that it would that stature and a role like that you can't help but think about his performance i mean i also think this style is so different from a standard sherlock holmes yet mystery  look for clues if they detect that which i think is the kind of and also kind of an interesting metaphor for memory only memory well it's kind of the and in fact it's it's a they say it's true to a certain extent and dimension that for instance if you can't think of a word you should run through the alphabet in your head you know and perhaps that will trigger something if you come to the right letter or or if you can't remember someone's name to run through the alphabet in your head so it was so it's true that your memory is triggered by certain things that are like physical objects and his workroom is so wonderfully cluttered that you can imagine that it's for all of little did like the way that they try to match the stories i and i like the original flashback story that really was coated doyle and i like the current which we as you say you mean nicest homes more than he's changed somewhat by his old age and his infirmity it is something a little different challenge i've pretty much be with marilyn but i also felt like i think marilyn said before there are parts of it that just didn't gel and i came out of the theater i remember coming out of the movies and saying wait a minute what was the japanese i think when i got there i did have a feeling so you're probably right whoever said that this was a