the shaq hour and judge jack was very very much a conversation our old great pleasure and i wish his if you could share with us we want to talk about the courts and the court system changes within the legal structure foreclosure issues and a lot of issues that you're interested in but i wonder if you could share with us your background born and raised a little bit and your education and then we'll talk about the legal system and the human condition w well i was born in born and bred in brooklyn i went to local public schools i was raised in a way which is known as bensonhurst went to a local elementary school junior high school and i went to manhattan to say i was in high school with a lot of other folks who are all very bright and i would say you are going to survive you're not going to survive so and mean here was a high school experience where it's required the st year i was there as a sophomore you the opportunity to grow it was an interesting place looking back at it i think was a great education even the fact that the city was basically the school i mean you had everyone came from all over the city i had to take the subway to get to school so you're up early in the morning you go to school and then you've got to come home to all the homework go back the next thing do it all over again right now and so you met people from all over all over the five boroughs i don't want to be it i've had times with people who it seems to be the people who are let's say middle class upper middle class or people like that they seem to be more interested in anti authoritarian thing not at all interested in trying to fit in like a good victim was a sikh they were terrible he's a sikh from india an immigrant and his shoe store so he had about five teenagers who were the perpetrators who were arrested because they thought he was a moslem because he looked and seventy five we had massive layoffs of teachers which continued a little bit in the seventy six and that motivated me to apply to law school because at that time anyone who was teaching high school social studies wh i believe at that time it ended up i had about term member service was only had about a year or a half years so i was ok but anybody about six and a half or seven years of service seniority on they were laid off or then they move into another a field they world they're intellectuals you know who they students as a group my view was i want to make money i'm a mercenary i was at that time more than anything else i want to make more money so i don't i wasn't out to change the world of that to get a degree registered democrat my parents are registered democrats funny aside my brother became a registered republican and there's a reason for it and my mother used to always say when she was alive would i go wrong but  town justices and go with justices it's about full time lawyers or judges you have to be a member of the bar for ten years before you can be elected or see like that and the pending on the judgeship some are appointed somewhere elected more the judgeships in new york state and then appointed so in new york city the criminal court judges and the family court judges are appointed by the mayor outside of then there are a statewide of planes with about fifty judges who either hands or sit sometimes in supreme court as acting supreme court justices and doing criminal cases or they actually have claims against the state they were appointed by the governor some interim points made by the govern court but in the infinite wisdom of the court system judges or us can be can be assigned to where there's a need there's a need in criminal court for judges we have enough criminal court judges in new york city because by statute there are so many judges in each court two when i was transferred to the civil court the court of which i was elected and then in two thousand and three i was nominated and elected to the supreme court for what was then the nd judicial district which then included brooklyn into a civil term and a criminal term i think criminals pretty obvious what happens there we try felony cases in in the in the supreme court in new york city so that's what you when you see and lauren order for instance on television that there's a judge in part twenty seven which have my number and civil thermite so i but i was part twenty seven that's criminal case i don't i don't sit and i don't do criminal cases anymore i said in the civil term so i handle basically four days a week i'm handling jury trials mostly sometimes that one jury but i'm handling jury trials which could be a person injury cases contract disputes laim disputes a variety of things probably more personal injury anything else probably more auto accidents than anything else but that's the that's the nature of the kind of cases we try the th day of the week which is usually mondays handling motions in cases getting ready to go to trial could be all kinds of things as they work their way through the pipeline to get ready for trial oh it is and i have probably about there are about one thousand five hundred cases that are on my inventory of cases fifteen  in the motion part correct which are some stage of what i'll call the pipeline as we get them ready for trial all of those one thousand five hundred cases probably changes i'm guessing i would say probably about thirty thousand three hundred and fifty these are foreclosure cases because i've gotten some notoriety in that field but one most of my time in the courthouse in terms of actual cases is sitting doing jury trials last year i conducted believe i conducted i started as a term the court officials want to use you start starting trials last year i started forty four dollars trials two which were non jury forty four dollars would jury trials and use the term start because either they correct and it's working to the disadvantage of a great number of people who are being very disadvantaged by the shenanigans i'll use that it's not only what was going on in the prime mortgages and that kind of not only homeowners as a society as a whole  f you have a house on a block or housing is the pending on the neighborhood in which you have foreclosures taking place people are abandoning property you can have squatters move in drug dealers houses of ill repute whatever it is grapes of wrath kind of thing they were foreclosing that kind of thing in the depression but that led the way in which a lot of the lower and middle even middle class people got some networkers through the appreciation of their residential real estate well they went up almost consistently true i am one of those people probably my major assets my home get ready to say if i was to sell my home i'd have a nice capital again right ok that their way the network has built up and it thought it was going to go like that and they were trying to get homeownership about now which is technologically and massive unemployment and the only way we have a streaming demand for the masses the people of to have a job in a state where the capital assets create increasingly higher percentage of the loans if i can understand as a citizen i don't understand but there are those banks wall moves and j p morgan the big banks they were shit they were bundling assets and then they were they were almost went under and so those are being of the ownership of an asset that should be like a proprietary lease or perhaps a loan or whatever it is but those documents would have been carefully guarded by the banks over the long haul they were locked around or fireproof  maybe on the whole most people only have a job to get income by or they will show a that they will show x amount of money for a down payment they show an income flow but what it was is a person was checked the person or note which is the actual iou iou actual amount of money and as security for the now the mortgage the mortgage or i security for the now and then hopefully the person continue to make the monthly payments and then down the road he they sold the property and paid off the mortgage mortgage brokers were people who were trying to bring together potential borrowers with lenders and for which they perceive the percentage call points every th of the principal the mortgages a point for the one one hundred thousand dollars mortgage if you got three points and three thousand hours so the broke at the broker could then originate meaning get all the paperwork done get the loan put together they would get usually two or three points whatever whatever the arrangement was with the borrower so they issue bonds base on pools of mortgages right and they would they would form it out thirty times they would they would leverage it correct form it out five hundred and sixty seven times on the same long and they were going to gain if it failed or not because i think this becomes an important issue to have a foreclosure in new york state and probably most probably all the states but i can speak specifically for new york basically have three things you have to show st off there's a mortgage  assigned it to bank b and this is recorded and so that bank on say april st of two thousand and eleven owns this particular mortgage so then on april the next day or the day after that they can then file for the foreclosure if th a foreclosure in these twenty three states in which new york is one of them you have to go before the lender the bar the person the plaintiff has to go before a judge and show that they have standing and the show that there is a mortgage that they only on the of the fault well wait a minute what do they have to this course never bring up i don't know chris just being an astronaut that there are certain documents that traditionally they have to have to show that they have standing one would be like a proprietary  and in many cases they just passed those ownership things on cyber as i understand it is well i guess because the margin is passed along the piece of paper well i need well let me get into many hundreds of thousands let me get to this thing called m agency called the city register that puts everybody in the world on notice that there's a there's a property there's a mortgage because the same place record deeds as well as mortgages or contracts of sale sometimes but it puts everybody on notice to what the city is a strange animal because it consists of five counties so each so we have each but we have a city right you said record these things then what happens is so there's a record and since two thousand and believe three it's been computerized probably true throughout the country what happened was that every time that a document is recorded it could be whether it be a deed whether it be a mortgage note in the assignment of a note or a mortgage there's a recording  seller securitization but the problem you have is well robo signing came in because i started to notice that somebody would sign ms as an assistant secretary or assistant vice president of ma a sign of the mortgage you know to the to whatever was the plane even a foreclosure and then suddenly the foreclosure would get filed and in many cases the same person would sign it and now is an officer  marriage and especially when people didn't show up in court because it's on the fault you need an affidavit of merit from either the plaintiff or a representative of the plaintiff so this became a problem half and it was suddenly i see a person saying it was terrible terrible distress given down on the economy it was done by these people who are in this position of working in these these these new things that some of our political economic leadership is at work and nobody has been called on it seems documentation i put it to the put it to the test there are certain certain certain people don't i mean that's what i do so i want to make sure that the paperwork is correct it was correct that's one thing it was not  when you go look the history of america we've had positive changes not always but we have so i'm trying to be fair to everybody so when i when i see this in echo what i see the problems of spending problems of robo signing these are people who  sign on a mass scale they mains all over the place with five or six corporate hats or more i've called them out for it and there's been problems with the foreclosures that can't get the proper explanation and now i have to say in new york state it isn't quite as draconian as you might mention unlike other states a legislature has done things where we mandated in the case of residential foreclosures where people live have property that's owner occupied for lease twelve or three family