hi it's all the live friday nights here from seattle the northwest guess what you're going to hear some great stuff i guess because we've got an author tonight author of the marijuana can't i hold off because this guy's a character i've known him a long time actually helped write some of the book and he something else but we also have a panel here that's going to be led by bill budget and i'm honored to have bill buddy buddy and law and john davis john is a legend here and we have laura from the green hope i believe it's called the choice wellness we've got a very powerful n but more veterans p t s d veterans medical cannabis wellness p t s d meaning we're going to people involved in that veterans programs here in the northwest on talking about that but medical cannabis fits in a lot of ways county legislating recognizing cannabis food handling cannabis beverage changing a lot more ties into a lot more ties into things that magin some day next year you go down to your local proprietary food place and it says that you will speak can be served if you're verification of medical food cannabis patient or medical cannabis patient but there's other things involved there's other things besides just cannabis it was a big fear of our so called corporate system that wants us to be sick wants to make billions of dollars off of us being sick seems to be synthetic this synthetic that synthetic everything when you find out the fluoride actually kills you it doesn't save your teeth lot going on here so we need to figure this out this is why we're all here tonight and the at the campus to be eleventh creep march was like a priest more in march it was incredible it's all on film for friday coming up but anyway bill where do we go what do we do how do we we start with something that can get us on track can we get there do you know i mean i don't know that's why we're all here to find out john we're really also honored to have you here as well good evening folks let's start with introductions down the table here and we'll don't worry we're we will get there dragging kicking screaming in one way or another it's where the forefront of this cross our nation so i'm bill but again but again law firm you can contact me by e mail at info at bill by the info at but again law dot com but again it's be you d i g a and the info at but again law dot com i mean attorney here in seattle and you've known from previous shows that we typically bring all sorts of people from the northwest  in the legal community that teach us all sorts of things about what's going on with law and advancements in law and just it's amazing that our state actually has so many interesting issues that were that are were at the forefront of the nation on all sorts of one chair coalition for cannabis standards and that thanks to washington state industry group i'm a board member of the national cannabis industry association a national cannabis industry group and i am the chief executive officer northwest se what's that place that's that cannabis called standards and now thinks we're trying to put together regulations and you know help regulate this new world that we're involved th  and what i do is i make sure the playing ground is level and nobody takes advantage of the other and all terms and conditions are met as well as all the galaxies this is where brady a parrot from you district my family was destroyed over my use of medical marijuana by my church leaders and i'm now running for sheriff and i've only got three goals to keep the peace protect life and protect property my name is my name is tony lazaro an author at least eight tell me i'm an author of a book called the marijuana kid the north seattle studio operator and musician a seattle musician born raised on queen anne hill seattle washington the northwest i'm here representing the move to legalize and release to seed put my information up on the screen some day soon will you have that look at get back to bill thanks for the yankees number one thing i have a question but i don't think anybody's been able to look at it or research and or you might not be able to know what you were mentioning regulations historically i mean going back to seventeen eighteen hundreds are there any regulations that might be looked at from back then carrying forward i don't think we've looked but we'd should look back at history probably could learn way on to being a schedule drug and while it's a scheduled drug yeah well from schedule one to schedule two you still have issues and you're never going to be able to regulate it the way it was regulated before nine hundred fourteen do with the politics and very well it's the companies that can't stand they couldn't stand the competition if your so i walk and then you don't have any competition the same thing you know we have the same the same enemies that we had in   where i found those basically ninety percent of everything the feds confiscate of all these major dealers over that are doing marijuana goes back into or any any drug goes back into their agencies so they are the ones that basically are fighting hello keep it legal or illegal because that's where they make their money busting all these victim marijuana dealers and i've seen them do it because one person gets gets a going to twenty years because you're a big  on others there's a domino effect out there it's you know and on the most part the revolution part of the book basically states that i get caught up with people getting busted and hire people with a lot of money to get back at it which is what could happen world if you ever get people that don't agree with the way the government is going i've seen but on the most part this is the reason that i've actually really believe myself that i've even told when i was busted that was the way it going i mean if you took all of the cannabis arrests away from the equation what you would have is about five percent of the remaining prosecutions against drug yeah these are schedule hazards we're talking heroin or that these are all very dangerous things that everybody associates with the war on drugs but that's not really what the war on drugs is the war on drugs is the war on cannabis everybody thinks so when they're raising taxes or fighting in new cars that they're somehow going to try to get a cracker off the streets that's not the case at all nobody cares in law enforcement of crack comes off the streets because as long as they have people to arrest they have a job and that's what's wrong i mean the reason marijuana is illegal is well it's a confluence of reasons but i guarantee you this much if you could get high on bamboo bamboo  would just be another excuse to put people in jail and it would be natural and the reason they would want it to be illegal is because it is a disruptive presence there are many vested well entrenched interests who do not want to give up their power don't want to give up their their glory you don't want to give up their income and marijuana threatens not just the pharmaceutical industry but the petroleum industry anything you can make at a petroleum you can make out of hemp the process is called  way that you refine oil into gasoline and all the associated feedstock chemicals that are responsible for all our space age materials that we had today a lot of the stuff that boeing does we could replace with  materials made directly from him by henry ford in fact made a car out of plastic made from imp quarter inch thick panels ran on hemp and the entire scene was it was a marvel you could make it locally you didn't have to have making industry you could all be micro industry because it's mostly cannabis hughes in the united states and they're there that infrastructure has jobs in place people who have skill sets and so there is a number of factions that are unwilling to let go of the status quo no matter if it makes sense or not but i even think you know the most ardent prohibitionists are realizing exactly you know the difference between cannabis and alcohol and nicotine yeah there's there's such a big difference between well you know it what gets me is the whole moral argument of it i mean you see what happens to our children these days i mean we're telling our girls that as soon as they turn eighteen they can dance naked but they can't have a little marijuana marijuana isn't even medicine in my opinion it's food it's should be part of our diets our body produces our own endocannabinoid and can happen and it's believe it or not they they moderate every other system in the body a lot of the yanks just see out in societies just because everybody has their own particular pet peeve that they're focused on whereas if they were more relaxed if their entire holistic metabolism were were more appropriately attuned with their environment this is what the in a can happen  system is they discovered c b want all over the body first it wasn't discovered in the brain it was discovered in the vascular system in the in the lymph system in letters and exactly and so what we have is is people running as hard as they can away from the one thing that can ameliorate essentially all of their problems you know i think you know we don't want to have too many regulations  we're trying to educate the different city councils and let them understand what our business is and what oh they can corporate r and mystery into their world without  fears of the federal government coming in and i rested and you know sally local you know secretary of state you know city secretary and i think that's you know will help overall with everything because a washington can you know put in some strong regulations and stuff and show others how the foundation of how they can do it then hopefully it'll spread like wild wildfire to where you know more more towns more more cities more more people will start demanding it from their local governments and that's where you change things as local government then it'll be state government then federal government and so it's trying to start with those little ones and mark our way up unfortunately we can't go from the top down we're going to have to work our little w access is already industries money because they're afraid of federal charges from the feds of the drug war three money charges and it is it possible that we could start our own  business like a real business but then when you have somebody putting a block in front of you ok you know that's that's making them feel like drug dealers stealing it all in a shot of the back door you know all that for that is a r as far as my understanding as long as they aren't getting any other benefits they're not at risk  reform banks so far i'll get a bank account all ask him and i'm upfront i don't you know lie about what i do i tell him up front and i'll even now you know do as us ok and they're like yeah no problem and the like four months later they'll be like oh wells fargo and then so since my last bank account i have called and went in to probably fifteen different ones i have tried credit unions i am not  what it's part is unethical because i have a federal tax id number and i have to pay federal taxes but yet i can't even have a bank account when you pay federal is a lot of these taxes they want us to pay on line electronically through your bank i don't have a bank account so i'm telling them i have to send you a money order because i can't get a bank account and so it's just that's one of the things that i think washington state could step up and make a credit union and all of this industry all the money all the dollars could go into that that credit union now that income that the state makes could help bow wow out the state of washington and help with education and difficult to start up our own local currency that i don't see any reason why we couldn't have a local currency with a local savings alone or a local credit union just for the hemp cannabis industry and i as well i have great faith in the laws of economics and i don't believe that the federal reserve has a monopoly on every transaction in this state or is especially in this county so i would be more than happy to protect people who are dealing in this alternative currency and especially protecting the cannabis industry it's pretty near and dear to my heart because i can't use cannabis as i would like to not just as a patient i want to design homes with the stuff i want to sign all kinds of things where cannabis can be my mean material and i'm terribly frustrated by it so i absolutely have to do something so that i can just to protect myself my own interest i have to run for sheriff and i don't see how we can actually separate the issues of freedom of transaction from the freedom of medicine from freedom of industry so that's  stand on that the story and the actual business of cannabis i've been a cannabis activist for about twenty years but i've only been directly in the industry for well over three  alternative currencies great thought however you need to pay your taxes and currently the government only takes dollars they don't take tokens and as nurse saying they expect that to come out of your bank account you know they don't expect to be getting cashiers checks and that sort of thing so while they're tying your hands and not being able to get banking services are trying their best i  i have great banking services i am very open about what i do but what i say on air to my bank you know because our little one that is a city for protection of local law enforcement for the local community in this you've got somebody in office it's actually going to protect your right to do business your right to have property and you might as well not even expect to remain in business i mean look at all the hassle that you're getting from your makes her expect to remain in his office but you know i suppose you could remain in business for a while but you know things change and really you have to have somebody real people locally to actually keep the state and to keep the feds in line with those people right but can't use credit cards now as it stands this gray market there's no real defined nobody knows the difference between right and wrong going to the industry what we really need is for people with a little bit of common sense a little bit of righteous self interest to come together and find out exactly where we do want this industry to go and how best to protect all the interest involved three words we're tired of waiting for them and the three of us here coalition for canada standards and ethics and that's one of the reasons we came together was saying look we're not going to wait for government to regulate ourselves we're going to do it we're not going to have we won't we we set standards we get together we're multi disciplinary association we have access points we have producers we have educators we have testers and these people come together in subcommittees and then use the law to create their own standards and then we have a compliance committee that enforces those standards through the the membership and we have a mediation committee for this kind of a judiciary for any issues that may come up that's great initiatives and i'm glad the coalition is doing that kind of stuff my interest is obama says we got to start our own business this is our business and we've got take care of our business for ourselves as a musician i am totally self motivated to stand wherever i want to and play my guitar and that's the way you guys have to take it to i'm here to help you but i see that you guys have shown initiative to do what you've got to do and if you've got to build your own bank but they say build it and they will come the problem with it though i mean real quick to try to capitalize a bank do you know how they make money i don't know you know but you know right right well you simply put all your money in a building and then great things will happen and i assure you we've looked into it and it's slightly more difficult half it's regulations a little bit and see what what's being proposed and because the general feel is the person on the street is that they they're afraid of all the things that will happen and with medical marijuana expanding and they're very afraid and they they think that it's that the government doesn't want to do it now so that there won't be regulation and that they'll be a wild west time that's coming ahead i know that this is something that i'd like to almost keep keep this going and we've talked about doing video in in the meetings and whatnot so that we keep this thing as an educational process moving forward it's it's very important so bill i want you guys just to spend as much time listening to john davis as you can john is is brilliant and he says realize it we go to a legend here we get legendary people here these people are creating something that literally will change our whole country well we're back here for the second part of getting something forward on the meaning of understanding or finding knowledge there of i am well pete wilson me and this is all the live we're in the second half and i got questions i want to kind of put out there get my and we're going to cover issues like that certain things i want to ask and start off but i know we don't have to answer this right away but what about cannabis coffee just for example what is canada's coffee well could do could the access points also serve their patients that come in a cup of coffee i mean i'm i don't know i don't know where all this is going but i do know that we're going to see a lot here and it's going to make a difference with the revenue coming in your state a state that's going through trying to survive global economic collapse problems all over our world people having to leave japan half the country is getting ready to leave japan because of fukushima massive contamination and we're going to have forty million japanese people that are our world has got to give them a home given a home that they can't they can't stay where they're at now this is something very serious and we have a economic collapse in europe millions of people probably are going to come to the united states in here we are in the state of washington d we're all in a state of drama in one sense or another and we're looking at not just commercial agriculture but medical medical seems to be leading the way so i'm looking forward to hearing from john davis bill but again bill's going to kind of help us going this bill where do we start well marijuana coffee is somebody have any experience with out at all we actually do have actually made we were in the testing process of it because anytime i bring in a new product i like to test it out that get lots of and prepared there they will be prepared in my shop yeah i'd like to add that we are not allowed also in charge into using am the product on the property and that's something that you know we tell people we have to get him to go home and try it because it might you totally different than f x me and you really have to you know be up be somewhere safe home to me are you trying to stuff is that the case in seattle don that that is not the original we're not under regulation li that although most of us i do believe keep a very clean shop do not allow any consumption on that's not appropriate you don't go to the bar tells and start popping you know some of the writer things like that i mean you go home and you take your and different solutions and stuff to try and get it to penetrate the beans and stuff and then you grind it up and the hardest part was trying to figure out the dough see it you know you don't want to make a whole pot of coffee and then you're going to waste you're not here not going to need th most people it's one cup one to two cups is all that they need and it's not like a overpowering effect it's more of your you know you can still function and get through your day so t i was in i was in totally souther day on first avenue and i don't visit the places because i don't think they support the kind of this movement both starbucks and tolan's are really a kind of person if you're not with me you're against me and that's the bottom are so i when i was in to just because of you know we have to the hopper is ation and stuff the verification that you know we have to go process through a just to make sure that the people who are getting the can i best from us are actually authorized to get it so it's just not anybody at this moment you know i wish i was but it's not but it's on you know with green hope but i try and do is come up with different ways to medicate people who don't want to smoke ted i'm smoking it  my opinion is that lease affective unless you need that quick you know but it edibles usually and just a net gives you that longer more medicated effect and that's what i try and come up with different ways i'm putting it in putting  you know doing you know whole variety of different takes make not mix nuts you know so that say that cannabis oil and now it's a healthy alternative because you're not having other sugars it's you know you're having mix not so the people  diabetics they can use you know my sim can use the nuts and stuff like that so it's just trying to educate trying to find different ways to get the medicine to the people and that's what  find a good supply lines i mean you can always find black market supply lines but i don't deal with them so it's a matter of yeah we run out of products sometimes when there is demand for it simply because there not the infrastructure out there yet but the one of the things we were doing in the coalition is is bringing in producers and and people to do medicaid and edibles to make sure this plies there i have a question for the you know the average medical marijuana patient and me maybe ones like me that are homeless or living in low income housing that's government regulated how do they find the person to grow for them our care provider in washington state is there any program for that or contacted taken seek out to find somebody to go for them now and on that they shot official channels but we sure don't maybe look into starting something like that we were there's a contact for people that want to grow league leaves it might not be now or want to get started in it and do provide for people like me that are homeless or whatever that are patients that are maybe that's something that you know you might be able to find a landlord who would be willing to that are low income i mean if you can't afford your medicine we'll give you the medicine right and i'm sure that is true that that collective said for the poor are very essential because they can't afford so we're back we were talking about people having a difficult time when they're homeless and and whatnot with housing and being able to raise medical marijuana and those types of thanks so on on the area an area people trying to get  places places they can actually grow marijuana i'm talking about difficulties in the real estate market for that have more power than the property owner and that's the difficulty these property owners in order it when they're deciding to make a deal with one of us it's a big deal because they're giving up so many rights to have you in there and understanding the power that a town has the issue in dispensary is that you go in you get a deal done with me i'm a licensed real estate broker all the i's are dotted the t s crossed you don't go in there until you get a license a business license that's the issue i see with the home grows and the things that are that are not going in business owned commercially zoned properties it's a new field it's people that are coming out of the growing in their garages and now they're coming up and they're wanting to go into  industrial properties and it's difficult in the city of seattle the only law there is having to do with opening up a dispensary is it has to be commercial there are no other rules there is only one case in dispute at this time and it's having do with the dispensary that is in noncommercial use own property and it will be allowed under the  home residency laws where it will be there will be different factors that grow is so totally different and i don't know how to deal with that what kind of in order to protect myself i will if i'm going to make a deal i want to make sure that person is licensed i don't know what kind of license you get there is no license for  that particular you know it's kind of a method i hear a lot oh gee do you have a license for your place well yeah i have a master business license and i have a city seattle business license but those are the right now the only licenses that do exist because they they haven't made a special on so and you know one of the things is getting into a warehouse and changing the use you know changing the used to what and the number of us have been working on that but i mean there's things energy code you know how do you comply with energy code you know i did the first permanent grow in washington state in energy code was a big deal there's a there's a number of those little things the way that electrical code is applied it was interesting as one of the inspectors from d p t told me mr davis you were the talk of the water cooler and it was it was that it was a process i had to go in and say look this is what i'm doing full size plants that grow room one groom to you know with you know just the way the city requires it everything is labeled and there was a long period of basically us looking at each other and told they finally you know  i submitted in the way seattle works is when you submit something bureaucracy springs into action and it may be dysfunctional but it's geared to do certain things and i had to comply with some interesting things and i had to make an interesting use argument but ultimately i got a call one day and they said mr davis your plan set is very typical from d p t and i said really and it was approved and  got it went through the went through the inspection process and it's yeah it was a very good little very good little production facility have you ever been raided  can get you can get that governmental intervention surance you can get crop insurance you know there's a number of industry specific insurances that you can get and insurance is not hard to get bent you know they're not afraid of taking money in a new federal drug laundering charges and also the question is i know for like growing outside say in a greenhouse it's not supposed to be visible from the air or anywhere now but to smell from a you don't want to get on the ballot so now they're saying no that's a that's a big issue if you look at the right that actually happen in california most of most of the time the feds were asked to come in by the local authorities because they had a problem with it and if you're going to go out there and you know thinking you just get away with murder because you're in the can of a sense of industry you're going to find out hey you didn't care about smell well your neighbors did and they have kids and they're having uncomfortable cause conversations and straight not everybody wants to talk to their children about it so it's you know not having a big pot leaves on your advertisement because you know that soccer mom going by really doesn't want to have that conversation and we sh upon her to have to you know and so it's just trying to be a good neighbor that way keep in the smell down because there's other businesses i have i'm next to other businesses there's a dentist office a chiropractor i'm sure that people come in  concerned about what's going to happen to their insurance it's one of the newest answers is less stores risk insurance and there are quite a few insurance companies that do insure dispensary and the market is really love the change of use that's the operative word really in the seattle had in all surrounding areas and basically any use that comes in after ability expect shut down for six months would  you've got to look at the floor so many different things and that's what i think is the key ingredient here on the scroll operations i do a retail deal and what you're going to say on the business licenses you're selling herbal products nobody knows what you're doing they're going to give you a business license for one hundred ten dollars over the phone and that's the difference between the retail dispensaries and the gross i mean it's just it's that keyword change of  laws and say ok well maybe this one will work for this situation and so that's what i'm lot of it is about as just said to katie and this you know people how they can make it work because most of them want us to be regulated they want us to be in their cities and towns they just don't know how they can do it and dot all the i's and cross the t's and stuff and so that somehow we're trying to work together with the coalition is trying to give them that platform that they can money at this point and more about fear the city seattle people look at the city of seattle and they're like wow they you know they have no clue what they're doing you know the city of seattle is one of the most savvy cities in the nation really with the approach they they take and you kind of have to tend to know what that is but like i heard earlier a lot of these communities are like oh my god if we allow cannabis the sky is going to fall the earth is going to collapse seattle realizes cannabis has been around in the city of seattle for a minute nothing's new about there being cannabis in seattle the question is what is the access now if you look at portugal if you look at europe and if you look at holland rates don't go up with quote unquote legalization the state schemes fact they level off or even go down slightly so the cannabis market is still there it's a matter of where it is and the city of seattle realizes they even even even with a don't use recreational sales better inside than outside if they're outside there on the street corner they're in the public parks they're out with the children the stuff is being sold out of  schools or we can have an appropriate place to have it and so the city is invested in taking a market that clearly exists and existed for a long time within the city and starting to find ways to make it appropriate appropriate for neighborhoods appropriate to get to realize some tax revenues and appropriate just like any other business  codes and regulations and i well i did get different laws i think you you might me make the argument about oakland but you know i work with people in oakland i know the laws