from los angeles california here is not much use with john rogers that which is as presented by him as i have the movement of spiritually in our awareness moment educated to awakening the spiritual arc within each of us john rogers the founder and spiritual i as well as founding the institute for individual use and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john roger is a bestselling author and he has been teaching at conducting seminars for many years to seminars and titled hearing god's message right after john roger speaks will tell you how you can obtain more information about the movement a long time ago when i was very young much younger than and used to be concerned about war possibility of war because back in about nineteen forty three i had a long call it was very dear to me  die in world war two it was shot to death by somebody maybe somebody who was a german over in germany or maybe this one of his old man who didn't like him but i remember the family green really feeling bad about this guy  truly is one of my favorite uncles but i only have three and then the other two one was only marian had kids and the other was younger than me and didn't have too many brains well eemian had a few but he didn't know how to use them too well but the uncle they got killed always seemed to have something going on he had the guns he can clean the pistols was all sorts of opportunities and then when he got killed it was quite amazing how people grieve for him and even though he was my favorite he was not the best one not the best one but my favorite one because he always have something we could do and i realized that very early age all the classes that i liked were not necessarily the best classes but they were always had something we could do always at some type of involvement that you could be am and i watched as i grew up over the years i didn't always they thought the best girls but i always do the girls i had something going on which i wanted to be part of you know trouble was that they had more to be able to be able to do to be involved with so whenever there was a baseball game would be out playing baseball  a bridle or saddle just jump on the horse and kick it and hang on to the main and then the horse and take off and you never got off until the horse stopped unless of course you build off early and then that was your business but it was quite interesting to find out the no matter how things were going as long as i held on as long as i held back i always turned out fine the few times the bad let go of what i was involved with oh you are cowards but then we all been true when i think back about it yeah there i was checking the tower because i didn't get hurt doing the things they did because i was a chicken and coward and i thought i would get hurt doing what they did like they would be riding a horse and then jump off on one side and the few into the ground the flat on the other side their feet in the ground if left on this side then land on the horse because i c my lifetime and a lot of instances of things where we would be out shooting at targets and somebody would shoot a gun real close to your ear and for the next oh i don't know maybe twenty three years or the next few days you could hear was awol or another intense pain that went with that because you're trying to be macho when you're even eight nine years old and you're trying to be somebody that you can look up to and like you have to be able to look up to yourself i don't know if you people know that but when you do something you have to admire that thing that you've done you've got to acknowledge this is good i did a good thing this is good for your own sense of well being and to encourage yourself to keep going to keep moving and the guy very interesting as the years went by that more of those aspects of my early childhood i was a very responsible child because every time something went wrong they always said i was responsible and most of the time that was true but if it wasn't myself that was response was for the friend that i was with that was responsible and then we were both together  i don't know why his parents never said be him but when i get home my folks would have a bell waiting or a fly swatter or something you know to make me realize what i had was totally unacceptable in our family of course i tried  and as you know she was kind of cute about it more or less like don't you know you're a member of the family i said no no you don't treat members of the family like i get treated and she said i'm the new in the family that does that and i said no wasn't there were times when i would i had my information and i'd say my brother did this my sister did that and the other sister did this not realize i was telling  him i was just showing how right i was and then of course my brothers and sisters would get in trouble some why and then of course trouble always filtered down to the lowest denominator which was me i was number one the lowest on the pole totem pole course one good thing happened when i was seven i got to be sister and then after that things just moved up you know from her to me anyway so it didn't matter it seems like once your name is written in the responsibility place you're going to maintain that from awful long time and i looked a lot of these  ideas watched how other families in fact i tried to talk to one of my friends to see if it's folks with me because his parents were nicer than my parents when he told me that wasn't true he would like to be adopted by my parents because my parents were nicer than his parents so we thought we could just switch places i mean cross i got to have a beating that night and i mean it was you should even bring up those ideas to a mother and father have risked everything for you that's what they said i don't think they risk anything i think they were just waiting for me to walk by so they give me and they were accurate to my parents were very accurate they  without you know i go like that bam in this match in the head and you wonder how did how did they do that i was looking the other way or they were looking the other way and then yeah this has a funniness to it now but it didn't have the funds to at the time and  then i would tell him that i wouldn't cry anymore and they said that was nice and buying it hit me again and i asked rob and my mother cooperated this i said i think i would have been six inches so i grew up in that framework i could go on for hours now as with just terrible things that people did to me you can do bag and it will be fine i remember a few times i would go to hit my brother and would be running i walk up run behind to kick him in the rear him and he would step a little faster than sister or what happens when i am and i would inquire into them to find out what happened to them so i wouldn't have to do it to find out most the time i found that everything i knew by experience and direct experience i would do it and then they would let me know immediately and they got to the place where i realized if i could ask somebody else for the information and they could tell me i could avoid that i would avoid it by not going there by walking away from it b just whatever took for me to avoid the discomfort of my being this in relationship to others i would do it i never did anything that would discredit my mother  father because i knew that that was biblically dishonest you know you have to honor your mother and father so your days would be long upon the planet there are a lot of times when they would get after you or i didn't care if i live the next day or not but i would never do that purposely myself and so there was a choice that was slowly rising out of all these experiences and then never knew and never knew that choice was coming towards me and one day it's where you sit in in the midst of all everything that goes wrong of course my favorite one was i w and then say why are you crying and i said because you know i gotta be there i got hit in this say well describe a make you feel better now let me ask you how many of you have ever cried over something and it felt better yeah see and that's why i was crying because it makes you feel better and my brother used to say we have crime made me feel better i'd cry an awful lot he was he was always a rule nice guy he would be the pommy with impunity but if somebody else tried to do it he would stop them because i was his and so he got he got to hit me you know but i learned that you you can do the stand and fight or you learned to run i decided as a very early age i would run and the faster i ran the more irritated it would bother my brother because that he couldn't really get a good swing you're going to hit while we're running try sometimes chase after some a go to him or kick and while you're running and embrace running really fast you do a lot of missing and sometimes he would fall down he would fall and then he would be really mad you say when i get you i'm going to and then he would tell me and you know i don't like that idea have any of you ever been skinned within an inch of your life i mean that well i don't mind being skinned within four inches or five inches but of the lives i mean that's totally threatening is what they make a mistake and they get down to a quick and eighth of an this or sixteen and i would think in those terms and you would go around terrorizing yourself about what somebody had  the over the years of just observing and found out if something can go a certain way right can it not go the other way why can't you go the other way i mean if i could lie to my mother and get away with it why couldn't i lie to my dad and get away with it if you can go one way why not the other way except that it worked that way my mother knew the lie so i would lie to my dad and that would be ok and then i'd just shut up because if i want to lie to my mom she would know and she would tell my dad and my dad and asked me if i lied to him and i would say no because a liar doesn't care if they lie you understand that so it's very easy is saying no and then you get confronted with all the evidence of your lying and the only thing you possibly can do at that moment the only thing you possibly do is to break down and suffer crying in them right in the middle of them that you didn't mean to and you're so sorry and it will never ever ever ever ever happen again and and then they're going to ask you more questions and i wonder what you can say to get out of those and one day i woke up and i just said the problem is not mine whether i lie or not the problem is there is whether they can accept the truth or not if they can accept the truth then things will be it was they would sit next to each other and say where does he come up with this stuff i mean geez you know who's t who's teaching him this they were teaching me this by beating up on me and i was i was saving myself rigorously if not religiously and one day i was with my father and were writing in the car and he was ahead of mine in the area where he lived and the mineworkers united mine workers association still were striking when they wanted our mine or my dad work to stop because they were not unionized now let me give you just a little lesson the reason they want to unionize is because the union got so much percentage off every ton of coal that came out of the coal mine and if you weren't union then the mine the unions did not get that money so they want to some of the money out of all the money that came down from there because that paid the the bosses of the m it's like the mafia of mining and so they would but they would want to do it so they would be very mean and they would go on strike in the union mines that all head over to the scab ass scab mines where you're a scab if you were not union i didn't know that i used to have lost jobs on me from getting beat up so sure and that may sound like fun to you but it was a normal occurrence to me you know when you're running riding bicycles one of the things that goes with riding bicycles is falling off them and when things are falling off bicycles goes the scabbing up and and making abrasions on your arms and i remember we went up to the to his mine one day he took me up with him and my dad was very popular he knew people from all over the area because it worked in all the mines and he was a superintendent he was a big guy and he hired a lot of people in the summer time who were school teachers and in the winter time farmers who couldn't farm had hi mines to keep he was like the economy man and one day we were coming down from the mines and he there must have been three thousand united mine workers in that canyon the very very narrow small canyon when you come down  sometimes of the you'd almost touch the side of the canyon and they threw a big log across the road you know how big it looked you're looking big it's from here to the end of the salvatore i'm but it was only maybe thirteen fourteen feet wide and he told me jest sit there oh i don't know what else you thought i was going to do but mean just sit there man keep my hands upward to see it because all these guys had shotguns rifles and pistols and they came over to him and they hear old window down on this and you know hello how are you they called each other by name and just fine and how are you just fine and when you go  to close the mine down there when you go to turn the union and why that's it i don't turn a union the men who are working here will turn the union if they want union take a bow if they vote union it'll be union if they vote no then it will be no and of course they look and there go this is your youngest son in there that was me you know it's kind of a little higher so they could see that i was too small i wasn't too small but i was a really big and one of the guys there take his thirty six rifle knows it thirty thirty one is where you can click the bottom of it so that shell in and out and automatically cocks and you shoot it and we sho there's the there's a feeling i don't know if you call it was call almost poop in your pants and almost urinating down your leg i was into both of those letting it happen yet but i knew it was coming any any little bit and so i sort of like scrunched down my eyes and moved away just i want to keep where it was but i also didn't want to really look at it i don't know if you've ever had those type of predicaments where you really you want to see but you're scared to look but you're but you you you will want to see more than your friends look away and so what you do is you don't catch anything really clearly and he did that and then to her dad say ok nice and easy now and i looked over and he had pulled out a pistol from out of the gun owners down here by is his hand he had that right on the guy's temple said nice in these you know he said you put a gun in the car where there's a child especially one of mine ever again or i even hear about it we will be going it and and some of the big shots come over and there they were bringing their big guns and big with the great big rifles of the shoot deer bear and that's it's frightening but at the same time you're an armed camp like militia i will personally come up and see the tree move in the meantime him taking his pistol and put it back in the car because there was something really powerful in a d purposeful intent to have statement i will come up and see that it is removed myself and i looked at my dad and i thought you know something i'm never going to cross him again know my dad says jump i'm not going to ask where or how high i'm just going to be jumping if he says anything i don't care why he says i am on his side he may be wrong but the me too was wrong on his side because he was taking care of me and i sensed he was protecting me and i sense the other guy may have had a shell in it but i also thought how could anybody be that stupid especially when they had been drinking a lot about the hall and they were out there for the summer because there's nowhere else to go and he says get out of here and he goes down the and he said to me i really do too and so we found the rest stop and we came back as who were you scared of there there's no i was more angry than scared you so were you scared i go i was more scared than anything and he looked to me as if i wasn't scared for you i was scared for that guy who had the rifle in the car i was scared for him because when i  your gun and the barrel looked like it was eighteen inches long like something out of the west i said i know if you pull that trigger his brains are go all over that mountain and oh my god he was going to happen because he was threatening your they got to go this is my mother they got to go and of course i'm simply going i wonder where they got to go and she got on the phone and called up the superintendent of the highway patrol the said you better bring in the military and i have a chill because there's militia being informed of all these people who work for my father under the hundreds and hundreds of them and they're going to go up that canyon and bring everyone both people down dead or alive or dead or alive or coming down they're clearing the canyon i got real curious i want to go see that i mean that was my movie for the year and sure enough they came in trucks they started up the canyon and my dad went up in the car and he stopped and he said to them what you should do now is get in your cars and go home and they did i ask my dad is there going to be any any hurt to anybody here is anybody going to get shot anybody anybody go to you know anything and you know if you want to be where the excitement was i want to watch him there perversion about russian on television and the rodney king riots why can't we all just get along is some pathetic but oh my god isn't that the true is that a wonderful question why can't we all just get along just because some people come against you of force and i think you're one of us in this room stands on our own integrity our own ethics our own morals and we make a stand we say here's where i stand i die and live at this spot when other people get the intention that you will do that they have two choices one is to do a two year or two bac nine times out of ten those of us who have the spirit in this that light of god will back off but more than nine times out of ten those of us who have that spirit never go to those places we stay away because we know there's no good afoot and we also know that the knave of power will use that energy to cause disturbances really learn from our experience who want to do and what not to do and be nice wouldn't if when we were all very young our parents had the wisdom when the wise foresight to show us and to teach us and to and to help us find our way around through things these youngsters that i've seen around the room here and there will be a lot of them here tomorrow the next day their parents are raising them to be loving children but to teach them how to stand up for themselves not as punishment or retribution but to just stand up in the spirit of their own consciousness you may say why did sharon did you go on that big story about what happened because folks you don't have to go do those things in order to study about it you're going to hear from others you can read it you can watch it in movies you watch a lot of places but what must take place inside of you is the conviction where you say that is not my way nor will i do it that  way it is the conviction were other friends of yours still things and you say in my family we don't steal is the conviction or you will honor your father and mother but your days will be long on this earth but it does not to obey them to do exactly what they say but it is to not discard them by doing whatever you do it's going to be negative in their eyes when they say oh my god this this daughter i am ashamed  and not one where my mom wants one to be a ballet dancer so my little sisters and i got to take ballet lessons so my mother gets tired of it we all know that living your life to your child and make the kid do what you once did of finding out  that youngster wants and supply him with the wherewithal to study and learn and develop  i don't know how many of you here ever played doctor when you were young how about a nurse how about firemen how about policeman how about northwest rocky mountain policem you have all these are you know all these things are there role playing to find out right do we want to be when we get older and so we play these games with the intent of finding out what hundreds of years well how many there are you are there of you see across the whole united states may be fifty thousand you been here hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years and only fifty thousand of you is the route i said well with us my and my group were black there's got to be twenty million of us i mean how is that there's twenty million of us and fifty thousand of you he says wait till they start plane cowboys i'm a black man you get to see the difference and how things are approached in live by just lifting back to your consciousness and just gazing it's most wonderful thing to watch yourself arrive to those moon moments of humor and awareness and fulfillment because you have been in that idea before you have done that before you're doing to do it again and others around you are also surrendering to you information about what they are not them and you want to know what it is now we find out that we can by going to workshops by going to seminars by big meetings like this we can all of a start to arrive to one accord moments moments of one accord or were in acco sometimes that one accord comes because we all laugh at the same thing but we all have something take place deep inside almost like a core issues of core issues that we all laughed at and we don't know what did the person's laughed at but we all know we're laughing at the same thing we don't know the intense and the ever for the reason of it or the  know that we all at that moment got up and laughed we went to see a movie a few weeks ago and in that movie there were a lot of things that were funny and we got it out of there we came out and we were talking about the funny things that happened in the movie and all of us were coming into this with one of the core of what happened and why it was funny and why it was funny it was a little bit different than that it was funny but we al just had a little bit different experience a little different tilt a little bit a different this and so we laugh more at each other's ideas and experience because there was so in congruity to my factual and of course i i bet some of you were raised in households where the similar things happen to you maybe not exactly the same thing but similar enough read say i knew what you're talking about jr how many of you did then and then mazing how many people said  i recognize that you recognize it because you went through something parallel or you know somebody who did it as a parallel sometimes we learn about peace through a traumatic experience when i was in the sixth grade in a place called reins you told the teacher there was m m i think you see the baptist a fundamentalist christian but it was very very proper and very very whatever all that was and you had no way would you think of saying any kind word that was not a proper word if you slipped in the improper word out you would also them up in the mountains and i hunted them down in the glans one beautiful day in the spring time i spied the brown bird in the tree happily singing chirping just as happy as a brown bird and there to my sorrow i found the little mother bird lying dead on the ground poor bird use for food they were calling but now they could never be fed for the the bird that had fed them was lying there bleeding and dead and i picked up that bird my sorrow and i strove that way motherly things who would never more feed it young ones  their own swift wing and i made a firm vile in that moment that never more in my life time when i heard a poor innocent bird and it is often that i heard that makes us recoil from causing more pain to cause people to have peace and joy and comfort and often that pain of suffering and knowing the suffering others causes us to withdraw before the moment of striking ever appears and so hard lesson but it's a study in the individual world peace and by studying our own actions and our own behavior towards live and the cycles of life and the things in life and how life is being returned to us we decide in those moments that we vow to the very core of our being that we will not do that we will not be that and we will die first before you will be that is that dumb or stupid and die first only if you do not understand that you never can die you can only go from this place to another you can drink all the poisoned water self all the pieces and all the beds and who you are does not die it can't die it will live always which is to say forever but it doesn't say that you live forever in the state of enjoyment of harmony one accord doesn't say that it says you can live in misery and agony and punishment because the threat of hell has no or will over us if we do not believe in the internal malady of live and the punishment of the supreme negative art and so we have to pick ourselves up continuously as people who say i and my family we go for peace but does that mean that you don't have to stand up for your rights probably you're going to have to stand up for them more because a soon as you challenge that something in this metaphysical world that we all inhabit you're challenged by the forces of the loyal opposition to see if it is true if what you say is so or were you just once again saying something that is primarily a lie primarily at the septuagint primary in akron or is it going to be so for you and your family it's very important that we all understand one is so in our family one is so for us one is that we're going to do get ready to shoot you here you are would you just surrender or would you also disarm them why not let them have their way because after all dead they'll be peace in the room is because it is not that kind of peace that we are talking about it is not the peace of dying and submitting into negativity i piece of standing up and great strain and purpose with great intentions towards god loving in mankind that we bring the peace to bear everywhere we go and peace gives  them and we embellish our existence by going to those places you embellish your existence by coming here to be part of this maybe to hear us maybe to be here with john and myself and a few others but maybe you're here for fifty or sixty other people may be here wondering why ham my ear is because tonight is your night to bear the lie for others who are around about you tonight is your night to be you've learned to laugh it took me a long time to learn to laugh but i found that with my brother when he would hit me the harder i laughed the harder he hit me the harder i laughed and i would laugh and laugh and he would hit me and hit me and then the next morning i would go downstairs just in my nation will shortz and levi's and my mother would look  just playing around because you don't play around and hit somebody like that revenge is swee i never told him his own more extolled on him and he certainly has a right to do that but i just made sure that i stood in direct line of my mother's vision and made sure that i stood direct in line of my father's vision so my mother was she talked about it he could have a reference point but it was mean do we ever do these things to each other o real want that as much as we do want peace and happiness and joy that we want these good things not only for ourselves in terms of a selfish idea but we want these for everyone around us as a selfish idea for upliftment one verse say this you too can also do and even greater because the one we follow is in the spiritual realms of lie and has given this access to that and he comes as the prince of peace not the peace that was given by jesus but the peace of your awareness that you too can have peace when you step forward in to it you can never knock up to a door and knock on expected to open that there's nobody there  expect to knock on the door and then open it yourself because that your opportunities that are your those are your choices that's what you're going to be about prepare yourself in all sorts of manners and ways fresh courage take far god will never us for say do this and know your hearts will swell for god will say to you all is well all is well