back to his when he was about ten takes place in one thousand nine hundred seventy seventy one in the neighborhood of mexico city roma and meke the neighborhood is rather middle class i would say upper middle class and this is really quite view of his childhood as it related to the maid who really kept the family together she was a young woman she's still alive but he has chosen another young woman to play her from the same area is it called wa wa wa alcohol and she is very young the kids the four kids in the family rely on her for everything the parents rely on her and it's of it will come up in conversation now one of the unusual features of this film is it was done in black and white and not exactly in color and then transformed you know black and white yes what do you think is the reason for that what would be if you read about the reasons that he gave for that or what is your take on that they're saying big interview article about it in he he raised trying to reconstruct something like the movies he was seeing at the time in the theaters in mexico city which were black and white there is one to him the movie excerpted marooned which is an american and also gives the the impression of an epic sweep you know almost like old war films were you know westerns which is so interesting because it's such an intimate story and yeah and if it's a family story but screen this it to compare our experiences now i'd read a lot of critics saying yeah see it on the big screen if you can so much better or it's so much more involving i felt it was just as involving have you know a flat screen of some dimension a good sound system because sound is also a very integral part of that sub if you see it on the small screen does it do you get the wrap around sound oh yes in the theater y in the background the history of mexico has gone out and so the but the events are just seen as they're impinging on the lives of their personal and their own problems of you know  parents are separating and that their money troubles and that made gets pregnant and gets abandoned by her lover and all these things are moving very large and the i'm so glad you raised that because i want to make just a small dent into what you said we saw the film on saturday night on sunday i was looking reading the new york times and i saw a big ad for it it took up a third of one of the pages in the arts section and i looked at it and oh my god there's so much happening in just this still that i never saw and it's so socio economic and social political what this was this was a scene of her running through the streets of the city and behind her is a big store room a store window with a blonde bride sitting in a church i never saw that then down the sidewalk this is the only one still down the sidewalk is a very wealthy or european looking couple just coming their noses on or looking disgusted lee at a young woman who is obviously indigenous in the corner it was interesting i thought think the the role of the maid was not sentimental i mean she works hard and she works hard from morning to night and although she loves this family and they love her if she's not part of the family it was it was i thought it was a clear ride and it's it it's understanding of the class and the racial divide oh gary but it's also interesting that you're seeing the the family the children one of which is koran himself but you're seeing it from her point of view not from his point of view he's stepping back from his own story phish show it from a different perspective which is another sort of way that he and it took me a while to figure out oh this is his memory you know because it doesn't it doesn't hit you in the face for one thing it's not a first person narrative or anything but  say it's not from his point of view and indeed when you do finally figure out ok this is the this is the director's memories it's really you don't know which of the three boys is him i think until the end right then there's a shot where he tells you which of the three sons he is it but he there is i think so well i sort of i sort of tipped it tipped tipped me off when he's the one listening at the door when the parents are are you ok out as individuals so much i mean they're kind of a group of children you know the girl because the girls the girl and then there's these three boys and then the youngest one who so would door and blind and blond and him and then the other two we're not sure who they are but so he really doesn't doesn't stand out that this is his memory it's not from his point of view the other interesting thing about this and we're talking about mixing of different socioeconomic stra a it's also a cultural mix going goes versus mexican so you've got anglos in there at some point and you've got intermarriage you've got let's true yeah so we're in talks it's very subtle did in the rules of the game there's a very deep focus so you have of the kids running up and the pair out the adults are sitting around the fire chatting and you hear little bits of dialogue that you kind of that you're not man being shot out of a cannon being areas and jugglers and all kinds of stuff going on and and it's just that she's just going through that landscape and you say well they they come out to the same town to get your vote and give you some bread and circuses but really literally changes literally circus and then of course then part of that scene is the paramilitary training which turns out later one of his earlier movies they had some of that social comment in the background and also hit me over the head but they were taking a road trip and then the background just started to see all the poverty  that going to a middle class type resort they're going out into really sort of undeveloped countryside and they didn't need to my time yet as well as one now one of the criticisms i heard of this film i review who by and large loved it was that you get the sense at some point and it develops very slowly there are a lot of silent moments shall we say and a lot of very slow camera with the character the maiden and the maid is still alive and he consulted her and yes he's obviously but there's this point where he starts to be in love with  and i think that there are some moments where you think this could be probably have tech been taken out but he's too in love with the film to do so because it's his memory and want to get all his memories in there i think there's a little bit of  that the one scene where it hit me more than another is where they have a little band marching you know yeah and that occurs again and again that's like a very fellini movie i don't know i think i think and i read it in a pretty peculiar way because nobody else has agreed with me but i mean this for him the father is driving a ford galaxy dragging much isolates him from the whole family and he maneuvers it into a garage it's not made for it and it's just not for a box wagon bug when someone does dry there yeah and when the mother is finally comes to the realization that this father is not coming back she gets rid of the ford galaxie and gets her own car but my son's and she smashes the like these mexican middle class aspirations don't fit in mexico you know i'm going to be like the feed the the hollywood anglos that i see and they're all with their b and the space is just like dad he expects great service at every level and and he is almost absent from the movie is apparently who's sort of but he's the kind absence that affects everything and i guess that their lives are dependent on him and and yet he treats them like the rest of the family treats the maid which is you know well that's do everything for them i thought i knew i hearn in i'm sorry to interrupt you know i heard an interview with carmen very recently where he said that the odd thing about this whole set up with maids and support who are part of the family is they're not part of the band they're not a part of the family they're not part of them i mean for example where they're all watching a very funny show on television and she's coming around the back of the couch kind of laughing too because she's singing and she finally settles down on the floor while the family's on the couch right and then sitting in the interview in the new york times that he had to find out from her now how she lived because he didn't really go visit her  how was she living you know where was she and we've been what you can tell by her attitude by how she treats the family she doesn't expect anything different this is next a doll's house part two a doll's house at the just george street theater and that's about a woman finding her voice or happening i felt this woman this maybe this young woman went through such trauma at the end of the film i don't know if we want to about that but that from the time she was in the furniture store witnessing this massacre to her water breaking to this hospital scene which was incredible trafficking everything then not very long after she's on the ocean and she something traumatic happens in the ocean and after all that she finally says something having been accused not accused but having been categorized as being mute almost by one of the kids she's knew well after after the trauma she she said something yeah she stops she's not mute the entire movie no no but after the break she she doesn't spit on the beach surrounded by this family in a very emotional traumatic moment she says something which i've been a say what she says and i felt she finally found her voice exactly and i think that was that was that in the arc of the movie and have all these scenes of panning and panning and seeing all kinds of stuff going on in a frame but then they they they did that wonderful wonderful pair and right before they begin and she starts to run the hours of the ocean and that slow that i it's one of those films that just keeps rushing back at me to me in waves so to speak waves are a big part of the water but i thought it was monumental  loved the cinematography like everyone thought the made my husband who is from south america said that the indigenous populations the women are also often quiet they don't speak they may speak when we don't see them or you but that's exactly what this is the way people really live there may be a revolution going on in the country but you know yeah sometimes you do losing your toys or you know having having a small kitchen fire like that's the sort of remote god's eye view but we're getting there we're not i hear that it that impressed me that opening which took so long to evolve to develop and then you see that same carried throughout even with the airplane reflected in the water on the tiles that is showing up in the last scene as well is just a brilliant way of trying to said there were airplanes every five minutes