very much the thank you for your time and leisure thank you when president obama was on the campaign trail he promised not to use federal law enforcement resources to circumvent state medical cannabis laws and shortly after taking office made that official department of justice policy unfortunately in the past year they have reversed that policy and they're now going to try and close down places like harborside california it was said that there's a medical reason that people use marijuana federal law says that marijuana is illegal at all times for all purposes that's the conflict federal law as any first year law student knows supreme over state law anybody that owns a commercial in the past year is a multiyear coordinated assault by the federal government on medical cannabis it's taken a number of different forms both civil actions and criminal actions so we see the i r s is now on a nationwide campaign of aggressive audit's against medical cannabis providers they are applying a tax rule to medical cannabis dispensaries that is not applied to any other organizations or businesses the treasury department has been contacting banks nationwide and forcing them to close the bank accounts of medical cannabis organizations the alcohol tobacco and firearms bureau has contacted every gun dealer in america and instructed them not to serve medical cannabis patient yes and of course we've seen the threats and raids by u s attorneys not just in california but also in montana and washington state just in the past few weeks me and my brother talk about this all the time this multi agency coordinated approach it makes us feel like we're terrorists or something or were criminals or no one else is treated this way all we're doing is trying to relieve the suffering of sick people out there and yet we can't even get a bank account and it's dangerous when people have to use cash to do all the transactions they can get robbed they can get kidnapped all kinds of terrible things going to happen too and that's why we don't have cash based economy in this country there's a reason for it i mean we're placed in this kind of impossible position where on the one hand the i r s comes to us and they want complete financial records as do our regulators in the city of oakland and on the other hand we have the treasury department going around and getting our bank accounts closed making it virtually impossible for us to compile the financial records which the i r s and our regulators are demanding so this is clearly not an effort to tax us or to regulate us this is an effort to tax us out of existence to force us to close or doors we are really furious and feel betrayed by the obama administration's reversal of policy on this issue myself my brother all of our friends all of our patients not only did we vote for the president but we also contributed heavily to his campaign and i can tell you that his reversal of policy is costing him millions of votes not only that the democrats are creating an opening for him to serve to republicans we are ready to support any one who supports our issue we are single issue voters unfortunately because when you're faced with federal prison for what you do with a living that's what you become you become a single issue voter so we are ready for any candidate national state and local to support and to give contributions to if they stand by us you know we're not going to vote for somebody who thinks that we're criminals that's just not going to happen we're really pleased now that half of the republican presidential candidates have endorsed our position on medical cannabis which is allow the states to make their own was on this on the subject qualified i've got the most police experience i've got the most magical experience because i've been on the other side i've been in private business i've ran my own businesses i've owned by all business for many many years i've been a cop for thirty six years i'm a law and order guy but i'm a progressive man responsible position probably at this time in the state because we're dealing with circumstances of the global economic collapse we're dealing with trying to rebuild our economy at the same time cannabis is a small part of that but it also has to do with  hundred thousand jobs and four billion dollar industry here very soon it has to have proper oversight which means that you are basically prepared to handle that with county legislation state legislation to look at this type of an industry but it's only a small part of what you're going to have to deal with them right i think you're absolutely correct wolf the the fact is that the sheriff's office is a second largest local police agency in the state of washington it's about the twelfth largest sheriff's office in the country it's got a budget of one hundred sixty million dollars over a thousand employees and i am the only elected police chief in king county i will have a tremendous effect on what happens because i can get up on my soapbox i can stand on the steps of the courthouse and say what's right what i think is right i can be a basically wrecked representing the county east county legislation not just with medical cannabis organic cannabis legislation which is where we're trying to help bring this medical factor to a point where the entire country will look at this but that's a small part of your responsibility is to uphold to the counties the county sluggishly shouldn't and what is the means by which we can preserve our lifestyle here it's my job to enforce the laws i don't make legislation that's mines my job to enforce whether it's county ordinance or state law it's my job to enforce that and i will do that but i will also speak out on social issues when they have a public safety component to them you can count on me doing that and i think our constituents will be able to hear from you throughout your entire term and there's no doubt about that and i will go forward to that because they're going to be waiting to hear from what's going on from the countless lation you have to a poll and that's important because it represents the entire state not just king county that's right you know i think with the people are starting to find out that this is an educational factor we're trying to educate everyone you're educating everybody you're very an educational platform not just a political this is education at a time when we're one of the most critical times for history of the state of our country and i look forward to helping on this because i think it's too important at this time that we all work together and support john at this time in the right i think that's right thank you very much thank you john how do you how do they get back with you how do they can spread the best way the best ways to go to my of her term out of the until they could be in election ok so just the first election and i'm running against him and then we'll run it will i'll presumably i will win i hope you know i will be in office for a year and then they'll be the election for the next four year knew each other that's a very very good thing we don't have that because they just drive down the street and my people are going to stop they're going to get out they're going to walk through the neighborhoods they're going to go to apartment complex and talk to people going to go to a business district and talk to people when they're handling handling one on one cause i think that's absolutely critical to be successful any police department has to have two things number one they have to have the support of the community if you don't have the support of the community you can't be effective you can't be effect you can't keep people safe that's number one number two we have to be a mirror of the community and by that i mean we have to we have to look just like the community does man women gays and straights asians african americans somalis you name it we need to have a look just like them but it's not just going to happen automatically not just looking like them but actually being exactly with them being involved with that so that's how we look like them is being appalled with enough because they're not going to come and apply to be a police officer just because we need to recruit them and so far police department kind of paid lip service to that they don't do a good job of going to say the somali community and saying hey you we want you to be a police officer if you're interested you come and work for the there was a gentleman in the last couple of days who is making a very public statement about encouraging minority people in the south end of the county to not cooperate with police on what even a citizens can we do to help t my support out is because of the disparity arrest and sentencing of african americans over the years this law goes back to the one nine hundred thirty s when marijuana was placed on the schedule one list and one of the reasons that happened was because a racial  under twenty one when do kids experiment well when their kid's not when their children twenty one for say he so if if there is no medical events there's no any kind of defense if i have a patient who is seventeen years old and has a horrible if he was on the chemo drugs for example independent of marijuana and he was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs but he still would have no defense the fact that he was a key will push him so i don't think there's any change there i think this is the way we have to think about what you have to look at is what's the right thing to do the right thing to do is to pass five o two now that there's a lot of people who don't don't like that the per se rule they don't like the five nanograms in your system all of the out but the better thing to do right now is to pass it and we'll see what happens i think there's an awful lot of medical people that have weighed in legal people who have weighed in and this is the best law potential law that we're going to get so let's go without and do the best we can and then work out if it needs to be changed afterwards we can with the legislature of messages and republicans say this all day long as states rights let the states do what they want to do it's up to right now it's up to the citizens of washington this is this is an initiative this is not a law that the that the legislature is passing because they didn't have the guts to do it this is mission of from the people that should carry a lot more weight not only with the people and the libya but certainly with the federal government i think it's very important to send a message to the federal government this is what the people of washington want and then we'll see what happens and certainly the federal government could come in and jump down all it's it's evolutionary it's evolutionary path to make the best choices we can and five o two right now is the best choice that we can and that's why i support and could i actually may not be perfect and you and i may disagree on parts of it but it's the best thing we have and to have the next king county sheriff come out and say that level two is the right way to go that is a revolutionary change just not evolutionary that's revolutionary you know as a quick we can amend what happens with five o two to make a i made two commitments one of the commitments was that i was going to run a bipartisan campaign i'm going to talk to everybody so i've got the support of republicans and democrats you know and libertarians and a new name because that's the right way to run a camp because i'm going to be the sheriff for everybody that's very very important number two i said that i wasn't going to hide behind the nonpartisan label that the sheriff's office is the sheriff's office the position is not democrat or republican it's not partisan and it would be very easy me to hide behind out and say well i can't take a position on abortion or marijuana or rush seventy four gay marriage going to those things as i'm going to do that if people care if people want to ask me those questions like five o two i'm going t them what i think where i stand and that's been true on all the abortion is be true i know gay marriage and marriage equality all those kinds of things because that's the right thing to do if you care enough to ask not will i totally i totally concur with the irony of it seems that the theory people who scream the most about states rights and small government want to be the largest governmental force in my body will go figure you know in terms of i'm a woman i have a daughter s or a bar tells you in a single family neighborhood next to houses on all four sides that's the difference then stone that way and what i'm talking about is the medical marijuana people that set up shop in a single family neighborhood single family residence neighborhood but all the sudden you've got two hundred cars we had one up in kenmore and when you drive one run away somebody i'm sure you know and guess what happened because then surely well yeah but he blew the lid off a teenager who tried to rob it and steve got shot in the it now we can we can nitpick this law forever and everybody is going to be able to do that and i could deal i wanted to i could be good and i'm not going to do that and you know say like i'll oregon's guy and it's like oh a lot better written to allow for medical mistakes the way it is  attorney you've got john macarthur going to be the next sheriff they're all saying five o two is a is a is a good law has been and i could go on and on with a list of people but that's a big deal that's a big deal in my view is this passes damn thing and see really a black guy from all the you know he things have now been in the right now the sheriff's office is my sheriff's office where i worked for twenty four years last twenty four years full time is going on down the wrong road or we are going to lose the support of the community sweep police because the accountability because the leadership because the transparency isn't there and i'm going to bring out to back to the sheriff's office it sounds to me like you they absolutely cannot have a wonderful plan in it and in organization to to deal with the racism we have and community on our use of first border reviews force that used that our deputies use i want a civilian on our shooting review boards as we review shootings that officers involved in and i want to make sure that the office of law enforcement oversight which is the organization set up by the king county council to look at the sheriff's office is fully funded fully operational civilian oversight of any police department is the absolute best thing to ever happen please we're one hundred percent firmly in favor of the right  by well my name's john urquhart i'm running for king county sheriff and the reason i'm running for king county sheriff is i want to make sure the sheriff's office goes down the right road where we have the support of a community i want a police department that uses force as a last resort not the first resort i want a police department that's not viewed as an occupying force in people's neighborhoods i'm against the militarization of the police and we see that in the black uniforms that they wear down the rifles that are out all the time when they don't really need to be i want a police department that does not have the attitude that we're the police and you're not and you see that attitude only you see a patrol car driving down the freeway at seventy five miles an hour when you're going sixty and they do that because that particular office don't listen to what the community wants us to do because we're the cops and you're not don't tell us how to do our job that's the wrong attitude to have and i want to make sure my police department my sheriff's office doesn't do that i'm going to bring leadership transparency and accountability back to the sheriff's office i'm jonathan i would really appreciate your vote thank you very much ok real quick mark my gosh it's photo no on something always or something yes on anything or where for people might even not have an idea what they're voting on most time they don't that's why we care to get some ideas across maybe we're trying to get something more than just knowing yes maybe we're trying to find out some information about things that go beyond knowing yes maybe we need to be a lot more let's say it's a hands on go see here's our you've got yours on this how about your eyes you watching as well i am to i will people see this all the live and this is interesting because we're in the middle of like preeminent voting spree going on here in king county on insta washington state but this time it says no and i'm going to ask somebody here i think if i'm the right person or he's the right person to ask know about and he does know something and we're really honored today to have doug heye it doug it's really good to see it and what's the no on the no or no on the no when we know what you need to know about five o two is that you need to vote no that's the bottom line on this initiative unfortunately the campaign that's running new approach washington is essentially running a big lie they are claiming that this initiative has something to do with legalizing marijuana in washington state and unfortunately it doesn't this initiative doesn't legalize anything it simply creates a very very narrow exception for one ounce of marijuana for adults over twenty one and a delivery system to get it produced and to a store it's characterized as not a violation of state law it's not legalization it makes disastrous changes to the dui laws it's not going to bring in and any revenue and it's simply not going to work but the worst problem with it will is probably the dui laws by the way that is the really good to see you by the way towards wellness and dawn by the way is the matriarch of organics by the way of cannabis and that's something that nobody else has really stood their ground on she has to get things moving in a proper way of medical just mean to get you on that because this is all the life we also have keith doherty here going to do is it criminal eight young people it's like it's like oh it's like an old west type thing it's awful mean basically what happened is the people that were running this initiative are very concerned with getting it to pass and so they are pandering to people's fears of impaired driving and the issue really is impaired driving nobody wants to be on the road with impaired drivers we all understand that but the problem with this initiative is it sets an unneeded unasked for unjust unscientific limit five nanograms for anybody who's over twenty one and it creates a zero tolerance standard for anybody ages sixteen to twenty one and what that means is any detectable amount of marijuana in your system if you're sixteen to twenty one will get you a dui complete with the changes to the insurance that you've got to have and possible suspension of your driving privilege a criminal conviction that follows you around and cannot be means to lay people and most of us that are not lawyers the worst change in my opinion that this initiative makes to the law and by the way the one thing that's people don't seem to realize is this initiative creates this narrow exception and it leaves every single law that makes marijuana currently illegal on the books so you get absurd results if you went into the store and you bought your legal ounce and you walked outside and handed it to your significant other you'd be committing a delivery they leave every law that makes a marijuana illegal on the books and then that creates these ridiculous absurd results with the want to change overall is what you just pointed out on and that is the change to the way duis are handled when they turn the duis both for adults and kids into what are called per se strict liability laws and what that essentially means as a practical matter for you is  can't defend you in court i cannot go into court and say dawn is a patient gone needs medical marijuana dawn is fine at seven anagrams i can't go into court and say this young woman who's eighteen years old or seventeen or sixteen or nineteen this young woman needs medical marijuana for crohn's disease and her doctor get this is behind her and she's not impaired and yet she's at eight nanograms i can't go and defend her or dawn or patients or anybody under this law this law makes it if you test they pull you over they smell marijuana you go for the test you can't refuse without losing license if they test you and you come up at the levels that up which are zero for kids and five nanograms for adults you're guilty you cannot be defended and you cannot explain you cannot present your case to the jury that is the worst thing about the changes that they have made to the dui laws it makes it so we can't explain and we can't offend anyone anymore it's strict liability and konami i speak to where my understanding is where the number five nanograms came from was years ago there was a very flawed study that was done where they took people who had never used cannabis an informant or lie had them smoke a joint immediately drew their blood and tested it and golly whiz they were impaired what happens like so many many many many pharmaceuticals we have to build a tolerance to a certain level to achieve cure as many of you know or have it made me not know i have cured my cancer with cannabis i use simson oil its very very strong mean i bet i have three hundred nandigram seen my system at all times i take it at night i sleep most of the psychoactive effects off but at the still in my system it needs to be you have to fled your system in order for to get that kind of curative effect at other cancer patients that i'm working with i just gave a man today for i was still in the four hundred dollars worth of simpson oil because he has stage three cancer i went to group health they asked them to test me that they had never had that and before i went out with my nandigram statistics because they because of this when this first came out they were not able to if they'd never been had that request before never done it before they went through all kinds of stuff at every step and then the final lesson was we can't test over five nanograms you do have more than five nanograms we can't tell you how much if you'll find a lab that can test you to that limit we will cover the cost so i'm looking for a lab that can test me because i want to be able to say to people impaired that's the whole problem for the best prosecutor driving crimes in the state is a woman named amy freetime here in king county she testified against this bill at the legislature because she said we should focus on impairment i should have to prove impairment what dawn is saying is exactly right we don't want on driving impaired but we don't want to infringe on drones right to drive around and take care of herself and others when she's not impaired the problem is when you set a per se strict liability limit and you said if that low you are guaranteeing that people are going to be convicted of dui who are not impaired you are guaranteeing that innocent people are going to be convicted of dui period and we've done studies we have ahead of patients the blood drawn and tested we've had people at one hundred twenty nana grams we've had people at one hundred seventy five nanograms with drug recognition experts and doctors right there saying yes this person is not impaired this person is ok to drive at one hundred twenty nana grams how can that be well tolerance the fact that not everybody reacts the same way alcohol is a drug we all process the same way it is unique  virtually the only drug in the pharmacopoeia that we that we do that with testing for other drugs is not what we need to be doing we need to be testing for impairment we need to develop test that determine are you impaired to drive field sobriety tests do that other tests do that that's the question are you impaired not do you have a drug in your system not how do you drink alcohol that's not the question the question is are you impaired by what you've ingested whatever the substances and this test in this law makes it so you do not have a standard for impairment you simply have a test for a drug at a certain level with no defense possible if you meet that level and that is wrong and this will be a disaster for kids because they know that zero nandigram limit has nothing to do with impairment it's a new penalty for pot for kids period that's all it is and we need to understand as such it's just a new form of prohibition period and it will be a disaster for kids sixteen to twenty one it will be a specially a disaster for kids of color because we know that our drug enforcement policies fall disproportionately on kids of color and if you think that this policy won't fall hardtail kind of thing he'll he'll do his captors were in he's kept his word on that but the seattle police continue to arrest black men in rainier in the rainier valley all the time absolutely when they know he's going to he throws it out and says stop doing it stop doing it stop doing it and they keep doing it and they don't do it in my neighborhood and that's exactly the point you get certainly when you give law enforcement certain tools or you give them certain opportunities they take it and it takes a long time to turn around  policies i think john records going to be on the show a little bit later on and and you can certainly talk about that but the fact is it takes a long time to turn around law enforcement culture and to change the way that officers react and i've seen that with patients over the last fifteen years defending patients have you know law enforcement's attitudes have gone from you know extremely negative to you know more moderate and understanding sometimes but we've got a long way to go on this and on drug policy and on the question of the war on drugs in general you know we need reform and we need it badly but this is not the way to get there this isn't going to do anything and in addition to the fact that you're going to have you know this is a horrible law and it's not legalization in addition to that it's a completely preemptive all under federal law this will never get in acted and enforced because it's going to be preempted by under federal law and you know federal court in about five minutes it just isn't preemption proof i've gone through it three times very carefully from different perspectives as a patient as a provider as a citizen and i have contended for many years that the only way to legalize cannabis is with a giant eraser just as you were talking about making war laws doesn't help it's the race scene the bad laws that you know there that needs to  prohibition the problem is there and say i couldn't say it better the problem is when california barely did not pass their version of legalization the feds came back with saying nobody cares c nobody cares so right now we have we have initiatives of different initiatives but still all under the cloud of legalized marijuana for colorado oregon and washington politically if all three states passed their initiative that would be a powerful statement to the feds so i'm kind of looking at this as a bad law and good politics it really puts somebody in a kind of a crazy place puts people in a hell of a bind and i'm sensitive to that but i there is no way that anybody that's in washington state should vote for this i think you could say yes that would send a message to the federal government but the problem is it's not just about sending a message that's the way that this initiative wastes your protest vote the fact that you want to lodge a political statement make a political statement and lodge that protest vote against the federal government is great i want to do that too but the problem is we need to do something in terms of a federal protest vote that's going to work if you go to sensible washington org and look at the initiative that is at sensible washington about or you'll see an initiative that gets out the big eraser and removes all the penalties civil and criminal from the state law removes marijuana from this controlled substance of schedule and completely makes the states silent on it that is the way for reform that's the way forward that's the way we've got to do it that's the way it's constitutionally required to be done we cannot do it this way and we can't let our desire to have a protest vote against the federal government land us with bad policy like this we can't say to kids and patients hey we're going to throw you under the dui bus and run you over a few times so that we can lodge an essentially meaningless protest vote against this policy because it will be meaningless in the sense in the sense that it won't change anything well i can't we just can't do that to kids who might just can't do it i truly believe that this this law will never illegal for three reasons racism and bishan in crete nothing has changed in the last hundred years just the names of a few of the players so that politically this is huge we've got private prisons one of the fears i have also is that one can if we look at what's been happening in montana the very first person who got a legal caretaker license and started kicking  tragically he was sentenced to a federal medical facility and never got out of the private prison where they did not allow him to take it not only is cannabis medication but that is the war on marijuana and the tragedy that is the federal government's war on medical marijuana you know reaches a climax in cases like dawn is talking about she is talking about the case of richard floor in montana who was basically left to die horrible horrible death alone in prison and it was incredibly unnecessary and it was just sickening equally sickening is the fact that chris williams right now is looking at the rest of his life in federal prison in the same case in montana the case in montana illustrates what happens when the federal government brings the foam weight of the federal government and laws that were meant to convict drug kingpins and multimillion dollar traffickers they bring the weight of that law down on people like dawn and it crushes them and it ruins their lives and in some cases it kills them and that is why i have been trying to work to end the war on drugs for over twenty years but you cannot do it with this this is an imperfect instrument it will not do that and dawn is exactly right what will happen is a judge a federal judge is going to look at this initiative and they're going to construe what is a matter of state law and what conflicts with federal law and dawn is exactly right we will probably end up at the end of the day with one ounce t crim know where to buy it legally and the worst changes to our dui laws that i can imagine will wind up with this five nanograms limit for adults the zero tolerance for kids sixteen to twenty one and this one ounce tikrit that's what we'll wind up with the rest of this stuff will be tossed out by the federal court as being in conflict with federal law and that's what will be stuck with so you can't even say that your vote is going to register a significant federal protest it's not it's going to be meaningless and what you're really going to do is hurt kids you're going to hurt kids sixteen to twenty one if you're a parent if you're a grandparent if you've got kids between sixteen and twenty one do not under any circumstances well for this thing every friday night your kid will be at risk they'll be in a car they'll be under twenty one it will smell like marijuana somebody in the car will smell like marijuana that will mean the driver is going to the hospital for a blood test he and refuse and if that blood test comes back with the tiniest most tiniest measurable amount of marijuana in it that person is going to lose their right to drive be convicted of a dui wipe out their parents or their own insurance and all each knows fall or ships suffer a lot of consequences we've been working real hard to eliminate we're going to come roaring right back if you vote for this turkey don't do it this initiative is too flawed and will not accomplish what it sets out to and they are telling you a giant lie to try and get it passed i want one thing i would like to say dad is is that you talked about the war on drugs my contention is there is no federal war on drugs is a federal war on the citizens of this country there was really a war on drugs they take all the drugs put him in a pile set on fire be over that war is on us it's a needle it's i knew about it it's on patients and it's on citizens of this great country of ours we have a long history of utilizing cannabis in various forms for currency for shelter for food for medicine for clothing we should be using all it and all those ways now it's crazy we're giving all the money to canada i have nothing to get china and china for him ridiculous i mean this is that that's brings up another great point thank you dawn the fact that this initiative says it legalizes them and call up the hemp industry association and ask them what they think it is they're going to tell you that it doesn't and i'm going to tell you that it doesn't too and that's something that we need to do don's pointed out and incredibly important point the elephant in the room is industrial hemp go to vote dot com and educate yourself hemp is an incredibly useful product we grew mountains of it during world war two in this country it still grows wild in about eight states because of that ham can anything you can do with a tree you can do with him it's much more environmentally friendly doesn't need pesticides regenerates the soil it's pretty much a miracle plant we need to get that plant back in the soil in america we are losing out on a four hundred thirty billion dollar domestic wrong market our farmers are being denied the right to grow  right here in the pollutes they are being denied the right to grow and farmers from china are profiting almost all of our hemp comes from china and canada and eastern europe by far china is the largest producer in the world we should be the largest home producer in the world because we have the best farmers in the world and we have the best farms in the world right here in this country i want to ask you real quick doug one of the things that's interesting is five o two really is like our cake because we're looking at medical which like don has been talking about cannabis is an organic medicine in this this fibro too just just is totally out of proportion of reality is that we're learning looking at something that's dealing with the real issues of let's and there's a bunch of things that need to get done but this initiative doesn't do any of them and you're exactly right about that well there's just nothing it can't be corrected at this point the only thing you can do at this point as a responsible citizen in washington state is to vote this down because you're not go any of the reform that you thought you were going to get you're not going to get your federal protest vote you're going to wipe the kids out with a zero tolerance standard i mean nancy reagan zero tolerance really sixteen to twenty one and in the taxable amount we know that's not about impairment it's a new penalty you're going to wipe out their ability to drive take care of themselves this is just a disaster with the with the letters that went out in august twenty three access points were closed two of them were the best in the state but also one of them was one of the worst in the state part of the problem with the way the feds deal with everything is just shotgun look at a piece of paper draw circles no no no checking to see who's really serving the patients  drugs out the back no rational no rational thought being applied to it again we've got kneejerk reactions you know to decades old policies that clearly are working but there's a lot of money in keeping marijuana you legal and in keeping you know the war on rejoin that for a lot of people there was a lot of greed out there this country needs reform there's no doubt about it we need reform in the federal justice system we need reform in the state justice systems where the number one jailer in the world and we have got to put an end to this ridiculous war on drugs which has turned into overwhelmingly a war on marijuana and over half of the people in our prisons in this country are there for drug related offenses now believe  i am very first person that once the court tails shipped away locked up forever the two i do not want them at all we like the mom and pop kind of approach we have we do not want big business in washington but we do want reasonable regulation and control and that's what we're talking about list race the bad stuff put in some good stuff and the best place to get that on the best place to get that is not in this initiative the best place to get that is the legislature if you look at an initi like that sensible washington or a repeal initiative a true reform effort what that contemplates is removing all the laws making it criminal and then doing exactly the kind of reform and policy work that don is talking about but the best place to do that is not in some back room where a few people get together and draft this what happens is the best place to do that is the legislature that's where we go talk to our representatives put forth different plans argue over how to do this the legislature is the correct place to come up with the regulations for marijuana in this state not this initiative and not delegating like they do in this initiative to some year long process that undefined process at the department of health that involves a liquor control board who doesn't know a thing about cannabis nothing nothing and so what we're doing here is is putting cannabis regulation up to a bureaucracy completely an eclipse handle it that's yet another one of the many problems with this but the proper place for the concerns you are raising dawn is the legislature and we can get there if we use a different initiative to get back at one of the frustrations that i've had i've been a lot of work in a limpia and roger one of the problems is just like like five o two though there's a lot of pandering to law and perceived opinions of law enforcement oh we've got to put this in or we will not have the support of law enforcement's right my kind of feeling is you know they're not really players in this other than the fact that they get a few more niches on their gun or belt or whatever they do when they make an arrest they are not educated we want to educate them i've offered to many city councils and many police departments let me speak tell me three minutes a half hour five hours it whatever you want i can make it work i can edit help educate you i'm one this is one of the things that i tell people all the time this is not a drug this cannabis no one has ever died from cannabis in the history of the world absolutely true and absolutely ridiculous there is no justification at all for the way we're currently handling things non we've got two minutes left and doug it's an about what real reform really is and learn more about the initiative there that was worked on by a whole bunch of lawyers that are seeking real reform that don't have a dog in the medical cannabis industry one way or another they're looking at the best way to bring about reform take a look at that initiative and join sensible washington and help us out it's a grassroots movement and we've got a good chance of getting somewhere and getting some real reform in this state if we all band together ok petition absolutely and we are all the live and we're about to have a segment here with john record and thank you for everything doug it's like i said it's always an honor it's an honor to be here and be with any guys thanks leon hopefully we can get you on some more like absolutely just glad to be here and how let's get ready for there is going to be something else i think your what for medicine an attorney douglas hiatt specializes in defending medical marijuana patients he's a long time legalization advocate who thinks this initiative is the wrong way to go about it and what is kind of odd about this  your thoughts on that this is this campaign this campaign new approach washington is running essentially a campaign that is telling the citizens of washington state a big lie they are telling the citizens of washington state that this initiative legalize marijuana and it does not legalize marijuana and fact it does not take one a single law that currently makes marijuana illegal off the books in addition it makes disastrous changes to the state's dui laws that are on asp or unneeded unjust and unscientific they put a zero tolerance standard on kids a sixteen to twenty one a zero tolerance standard for driving which there is no defense to