having me my pleasure thank you for being here i want to talk about your running history your coaching history little bit about your writing all sorts of different things but this let's just start off and talk a little bit about how you got started in the sport how and when do you think we should start off of talking about how we met justin kane showing up in a race that nobody takes seriously nobody he says spring couples relay which is male female couple one of them runs one rides they both have to get the big heavy wooden rogue in research around the boat think your team and my team are among the minority of the group we're taking it seriously we own people we show up in bashing outfits and have a good time and yeah you guys were there when we were there to find one hundred and fifty year easy groups like that  managed to strike up a friendship that was twenty years ago and yet you were kind enough to invite me to to workout with central park track and working fast and then you made me a lot faster and a lot intervals in the armor you did and it's actually you know i mean i f you've totally co opted the conversation but that's fine but in all seriousness one of the things that i remember about that like yes i was a decent cyclist back in the day i was a very ordinary runner and yet you invited me to run workouts but then then ultimately joined central park track club which the group of really talented athletes including you and but i never was it was from you the basically the other members  appreciate that i've taken that to my coaching practice and try to you know if an athlete takes things seriously i take them seriously regardless of what their time their eyes are clear the whole coaching thing is what you're born with is random and what you do with it is not that's reflecting what what you put into it how you think how you feel about it busy how much concentration you give yourself and what comes of it then is valuable the improvement amount is valuable or the consistency or saturday or how you overcome conditions things like that are universal it doesn't matter if asked you you know i'm weird in that i started coaching pretty much the same time that i started running and there i was as a freshman in high school which i don't think i've ever encountered anyone else that would say that when i was in high school track my coach took a few of us who i guess he thought like i had interest in you know passing on information and put us in charge of the little kid teams little grade school kid teams in the summer in the summer track league so i was like big to them you know and i was a coach but i was fourteen or fifteen so i was i was when i started the same time i started really competing in track and field i was also coaching when i was asked i was invited by my ex coach to coach my high school team which was a huge honor site this was going to beach california and to be given a head coaching job at a school that had a really good history sure we had a coach that basically shaped my ideas as as much as anyone has about coaching when miller who ended up coaching steve scott who had the american record in the mile for twenty six years and it was the nd fastest guy in the world ever at one point to sebastian coe so was learned miller  culture in high school who put you in charge of those young kids and then brought you back after you went actually he was replaced by his assistant who is who is another celebrity of sorts jim toomey who was built to me that he kathleen world record holder olympic champions brother oka who himself was a gold medalist in baseball at the pan am games and he was our coach after when miller and then when he left he asked me to and i thought that i would never pass that up in fact i kind of derailed my life has to do that really it's interesting how you know you can you say you sort of get trapped by that but by your former coach and all the things you learned it and i posted something the other day about what work at that i was doing and someone just randomly on twitter said let's back up a little bit so you went to high school you ran from from the time you're a freshman you have all four years track and cross country ok behind one of the greatest high school runners that ever lived so i never want to think interesting we had a guy eric holder ok who so many world to course my high school team interesting yeah how do you feel about that at the time you know i kind of knew it was going there all along because we were disciples of glenn miller but when eric had a tragic later life he died at thirty four school probably up till now the best show ever had now i have a job compared to it but yeah and it was huge challenge because after those guys left the when miller and then to me there became a succession of busy on one year type coaches in the program deteriorated to the point that we had nothing like they didn't i mean when i was in high school we want a lot and it causes a point where there wasn't even a full team really when i took it over one hundred and three i think i proudest thing in my life that's something i'm proud of what i basically really invigorated the miller you know like he had shown me what to do to make a great team right i emulated him a lot and that's makes a lot of sense for how long did you stay there seven brooklyn college i got accepted by allen ginsberg you know turned that down so relocated and then i got trapped never been able to escape to new york magnetism so speaking of new york and you you  mean you get complete beginners like many many high school freshman are you get people who don't know what you know a kilometer means or or what a ten k is or what interval training is you know anything like high school kids tend not to in their st you know exposure to the sport you get people who've never raced which is obviously familiar to high school kids but then you know in the same group you can have people who are you know fifteen minute five k runners and end well and the other one's down on the hudson river greenway it's about a th street there's a weird little track it's a two hundred dollars it looks like a d though one straight away but i think it's meant to be a track there's  sessions of eight weeks of either tuesday only or thursday only or both for my central park part of it and then those workouts are very similar similarly replicated all over the city there's prospect park the same days mornings depending and all year round so one session after another usually building up to you know one of our big races but people can use it for any purpose my workouts have about eighty people in each of the four sessions that i coach per week do you have a lot of continuity from eighteen week session to the next in terms of the athletes it's not just nice to know you for eight weeks and some of them disappear of course but you tend to notice the ones that stick around and i would say would probably end up with more than two thirds return  pressure because we let them get in the day early so they get to come back if they want if they're smart they're on their computer but you know we get new ones every every time and and it's always nice to see the long term progress but people get whatever they  you know no no doubt roadrunners has had a lot to do with that here in new york and probably worldwide to an extent so it must be rewarding to be just a hand in that it is in fact i mean you know i didn't start with it's always interesting to me that people who never met him didn't know he would you know when they see the changes that happened in road runners and people trying to decide what he would have approved up there wouldn't have been all  been related and he was a constant innovator so you go along with changes easily i think you know and yeah i mean i don't know i mean it's he didn't have any have to deal with eight hundred and fifty thousand runner feels fifty plus and outside of the big marathons around the world pretty well done but if you go to any given small race in some other state you're in for a very different experience you know very often you know not the right measurement or bottlenecks of getting to places straight times in new york all right so we talked a lot about stewart the coach i want to talk a little bit about stewart the athlete if you must so you mentioned your marathon debut many years ago  that mile if you're high school track pretty early on in your life and i did it when i was a sophomore in high school so again if you're any good you know continuing on as an athlete you don't get slower until you're in your mid thirty's or later so all those years i never stopped running and that was just because i like you know i didn't i never got an interested in you know a lot of the i find that i compete with now they had big gaps in their nation either at high school college and didn't throughout their whole twenty's and thirt was always running a sub five minute mile and then when i got in my forty's i actually like the mile to race so i did like internationals and things like that and i was always running in the four forty's and stuff so the weird weird record was i ran a sub five minute mile for forty two years in a row but i didn't know who had been the who knows who has a record at that no one talked about i mean i never thought it was a record there were that there was a record to get but then just recently i noticed that they were talking about steve spence who was a rd place in world championships to ten marathoner to let my daughter neely spence gracie is now world class anyway he kept running miles under five and i saw the couple years ago he got to forty one well i had to stop and i was fifty six because my darn son made me play soccer my hands how dare he yeah and i had strength i mean months to go before the end of the year and i was going to have to run the sub five and i i couldn't get back in shape for my history has missed out so i lost my streak at age fifty six but this guy spends he grant forty one and then last year he ran forty two and so i thinking unless something goes really wrong there goes he's going to have more than me and when they put it out there now the consistency of doing that i mean five is not shabby and you know every day at certain ages it's more impressive than others but you just have the consistency to stay healthy to do it every year to actually get out there and not have those big  hiatuses which as you pointed out i mean so many runners do it for whatever reason whether they burn out mentally physically so to have that consistency to me seems remarkable you also have a marathon shriek which i also found out only after i had five just look long enough and you'll find something so secure that so few people have done it that you can say you're really good at all trust me if i could if i could find the juggling while running backwards what i would find any world record i could so want people how many people are in the sub when i could re when i got in i thought they were like twenty six and i think there are more than thirty feel more of joined it after me one guy from my high school who was on my high school track i could believe he was there before i was i looked up the list and don dimitri adi's who i was a senior and senior when he was a freshman john guy beat my two mile time in high school and now he's beat my marathon time is how do you know you as well you know the only high school with two big only he's a philosophy professor impressive so you mentioned berlin is ahead what else is going to be here yeah what do you know i live vicariously through the runners now that i coach which is much easier because there's always one of them or so that does really well i'm kidding i have some runners and i really care about who i get to coach and that's it does feel more important you know being an athlete yourself it's fairly self interested almost all the time and i mean you share running i share running with friends and run with friends but as far as what i accomplish all these things are fun to talk about i not even trying to be mr good guy i was happy when a couple of people recently did things that i got to help my coaching and not because i help them but just watching like watching this one woman run the th avenue mile and run the time to the nd that we predicted she could do after she had done all these workouts based on trying to hit that athletes does really well there is a satisfaction and when they win they do really well and for me it's when they do really well and it goes the way i anticipated or they say hey coach you know what we were at mile twenty one and i knew that if i threw in a surge really well done finally i just want to thank them and neighborhood network for hosting us want to thank you all sanchez for once again trusting me to sit in the big boy chair and i hope you enjoyed the episode and we'll see you next time i got to run with well thank