guarding the mayor you know it's just it's procedure standard procedure i guess you believe this is written down somewhere maybe maybe maybe not but i mean i mean like this garrett character wanted to punch for example in the nose right that's the danger you always have to be aware of if he saw our couple of guys because potential terrorists are assaulters far a couple of guys standing around next holes that have little badges on wouldn't that be  so that's correct you were found more or less guilty in this administrative process of conduct unbecoming an officer so there must be correct while you can tell us as a matter of fact were you guilty of conduct unbecoming an officer not my opinion and so what happened here to talk about this there was a black male who was standing in the middle of the road looking down the ground we had green why they were there was a black female and a black male to the south of th gentleman who was in the street we drove up to him we did a few moments i wasn't driving and then i believe the driver hit the horn and this gentleman looked up spit and we got out contacted him there's a certain level of force that you have to use in order to use a what's called the use of force statement even putting handcuffs on somebody is a level of force used so the level of force i misunderstanding there wasn't verbal abuse alleged when i got out of the vehicle there was g o c officer who was in the back of the o c vehicle he had his head down and he said what we have angry man and then on this stuff as i was getting out of the fan that the o c officer said what do we have and i said another angry black male larry  there well if there is only one executive protective unit personnel assigned to me or appearance is that person always the driver there's only one yeah officers are the feelings sort of were dating caster necessarily did you have your two permanent members and the rest are our feelings and how many of those feelings with your boss right there are not sure i think that during this campaign which you know was obviously many months of campaign appearances you didn't have enough interaction with this b s you know him for certain well i don't know if that's his name but the name sounds familiar  i can't be sure if he was there all day and so the asian gentleman who may have been around thirty years of age doesn't occur to you you could identify the person at this time not for sure you might be right but i'm not sure i think that's questions fair directed it shall not be able to answer that for sure but you you would say that you don't know of any asian american appearing officers on here i don't think so and is there any possibility that there may have been a third person out there from executive director there certainly might have been ok they have any gas assume that their version might have been no idea they have any particular reason to believe that there was a third mean oral or written into the actual interaction on the mystery years or in the way that you want to be handled prior to the september seventh incident there certainly might have been but i just don't i don't recall i know that well the reason that's important is because we're trying to establish really to what extent you are playing what you do or to what extent you just kind of wing it when you show up during the  you seem to have some extent of alarm about my presence somewhere so that he grabbed my camera binds tripod and they had words with me which were a little bit of a confrontational sign did you have occasion on september consistently for about ten minutes in the tape so why was there any identification of mr we as a threat on that occasion he asking me to fight i believe to be a threat to him based on what seen you many times i think downtown and i watch the show as well now how often do you watch that how are things now oh i've seen a few times you know i see so you develop some sort of comprehensive  and a patrol officer for eleven years on the border or borderline so you mean borderline schizophrenia iraq you know that would be getting into the medical aspect of it but i mean t e have those who don't need medical assistance like psychological help but then they have those who do need psychological help i think that you're probably somewhere in the middle bouncing from not eating it to you probably could use a little bit why have you ever seen in the entirety of your lifetime that would lead you to believe the mystery is in the psychological how friend's friend said of been manic depressive and psychotic not asking about really raised his voice because mr nichols his political opponent was fifty to one hundred feet away from him isn't that the reason for raising the point is this really us him what the basis of his opinion was he's trying to give it to us is not a cross examination so procedure would be to get in between the two to create some distance but i know that this mayor he's not going to be somebody that wants you taken away or anything like that he wants to give as much personal freedom to people as possible city of citizens for the city of seattle even if it goes against executive protection where we're like well you know maybe discussion be here not you in particular but if we get there is a threat sometimes we're like you know let's not be here but he's not like  do you believe that you really wrote this uprising the morning if five fifty nine in the morning so you had no specific directive you claim from nichols or review on how to conduct yourself when nichols exit the vans at approximately eight pm when he left yes i can't folks angry and the mayor walks into his car shut the door car started to pull away and that's i got kicked in the back of the right leg and i began to move toward the cars  arm well that's a very elaborate description for something that i've never been able to sort out what you're really saying happened were you when you say for instance you were walking backwards at any particular point and i was walking backwards i was here this is the side of the vehicle shut the door facing the vehicle and i'm walking this way my hand out to the side why is your hand out because i feel something here and i don't want some that something to get in front of the vehicle you feel something is that something where you're  wing well you know i didn't see you kick me but i felt the kick and i turned around and you were there so when when did that kick occur just shut the door and i felt the cake behind me and then when i began to move to the right it all kind of happened simultaneously well i do happen simultaneously and you're into that but you're saying that the character occurred after the door was closed meaning that after the door not going to get into the mental state of we're just asking about your perception i don't i can't understand why somebody would walk off the sidewalk and then charge at me because i  heard the commotion behind me and then attempt to get in front of or at least between myself and the mayor's vehicle and you can't understand why someone would approach the mayor is enough i don't understand why you're any circumstance why anybody would do that it seems to be an irrational behavior in my mind or you're quite aware that mr weed is a television producer and would run out in front of a moving car wow that's another issue was floyd simultaneously best not all of them that in the space of a few seconds mr lee runs up on you kicks you in the back of the lag and fan moves runs toward the front of the vehicle in an effort to get in front of the aircraft that's what it if you were accidentally impacted on the back of your wagon by mr murray and this was not a deliberate action my understanding is that doesn't constitute to solve it constitutes an unfortunate accident well accidents are when you step on somebody's foot on the side of the road but when you're walking out in the right way or are running out into the roadway and then attempting to get front of an executor protection person and then getting in front of the right in other words are you describing a lot of things officer fox that you somehow are indicating i believe you laughed and said i don't understand i don't understand several times why mr b would be in the roadway to any reasonable person i think they would conclude mr we was in the are after all listed as an investigating officer i told you i don't want to touch it even if it is accidental that's up for the up for the court to decide in the jury so you have no particular opinion on whether it was hands on mr lee for the purposes of insuring his and safety not so much why did you put on some mystery to stop his movement he was going for the front of the vehicle perhaps even in front of the from possibly going in front of this vehicle i think he wants you to question no i decided i'm not i'm not understanding at all of what you mean that i mean for instance if i see a person who is maybe ready to step into the roadway prior to the mean we're talking about executive protection here i don't want you in front of the mayor's vehicle i want you on the sidewalk where you say but in fact it was a gas that mystery might be in front of the mayor's vehicle he never was in front of it all in all it was it was somebody behind me kicking me and then get actually getting by me between myself and the mayor's vehicle and then heading for the front of the mayor's vehicle with considerable force enough to get past me well did you quit hands on mr b because you were trying to save his life or because you were because you were going to get you know i put hands on you because it's my job to protect them they are all right and secondarily like i said i certainly may have if you want to elaborate you can but i believe you've answered the question backwards forwards and all the way around both sides do you feel there's anything that you've not answered or given him an answer the question about why you put your hands on him why did you not identify yourself prior to putting hands on this true i knew that i mean not of the time but i know today that you knew i was an officer because you knew me from twenty third injection and you knew me from being right next to the mayor and get in front of the mayor so therefore you would know that but that's not why did it i did it because i grabbed you to get you away from the mayor to get you away from the mayor in situ on the sidewalk here the mayor was inside of four of ours and pound vehicle that saying that you were the seattle police department or any other security agency or have any other official status other than possibly a campaign worker i told you with a timely manner you mean several seconds after vicious after the assault began after you kicked me several seconds after putting this through your hands on mystery bats when you identified yourself after i got yours seated on the sidewalk to your safety yes there was a lot of interaction before i got see you don't feel right exactly but you're conceding the point that you did put hands on mr we prior to being prior to or any effort to identify yourself as a sailor police department official conceding that point you did put hands on mr lee prior to identifying yourself yes and for how long was that if you have enough but in your estimation phil would you say at least several seconds mean in a situation emergency situation like this i think my first my first duty is for safety and i think the second duty is to identify myself first duty is to save to keep the safety of the mayor and then the safety of you and your seat on the sidewalk then identify you within it within several seconds well the a fairly simple and i don't believe your answer to that does this follow police procedure and you know i don't i don't i'm not sure if it says you even immediately if it says you have to identify yourself within three seconds i'm not sure if it says that but you're not sure at all if it says that in other words no you need is it isn't it to identify yourself and i did after putting hands on history several seconds yes and do you believe that that conforms to police procedure yes because i think if i had taken a moment and said see how sleeze stop you would have gotten from the car well did mr we have a chance to utter the words get your fucking hands off me before you identify yourself as a police officer i don't there was a pretty dramatic tussle going on right it was in a dramatic tussle i stopped you from going in the road so i stopped you from going in front of the mayor's vehicle when did you discover that you had been assaulted in the back of your lying shortly well i felt it so i don't recall so i mean do you do i mean when you assault somebody i when you grab someone very firmly as a police officer aren't you supposed to indicate why you're doing that and didn't i tell you assaulting him in a criminal matter because you did it in a criminal manner because you had no justification for doing so and you don't respond i did it because you kicked me so if we look at the five minutes following your first putting hands on mr lee we will not find in the video you're making any claim as to why mr lee has been assaulted or or touched by you in any way the transporting officer tell you why you were arrested well what we're trying to establish is when you came up with this assault story it wasn't in the first five minutes you didn't inform mr lee and this was because you didn't want him in an excited state to be further concerned about the reason that he was assaulted not really i didn't want to talk to you at all because i felt that if it could further raise your excitement i waited till the primary role of the primary officer but the transporting officer got there at that i'm sure that the i'm sure that's a matter of record but i kind of suspect it's not who were the people who took the photographs the seattle police department photographic here ok where is that look at twenty two hundred airport way self so you went to th key evidence unit for another case and somebody came up behind me and kind of reminded me about the back of my leg and it refresh my memory because th in the back of my leg and i'm sure somebody can determine those scars are in fact my scars you need to take a close look at that photograph it's not done and a very revealing manner it's kind of and forwarded on to to the prosecutor's office and to your knowledge there was one or two photographs initials you know i just can remember one but there might have been more than one taken i don't know if they fuckers the extensive documentation on how kurt cobain boss is half a mile away jack off you assaulted me criminal with no good cause let's get that use of force for an ad officer what is your name by the way mr unidentified ninety nine cent badge you got a name jack this is one of those failure to id the situation i do believe it is