coming out of the guinness book of records for the most intelligent person in the world having had an i q test validating her intelligence and puts her in that position and now unwelcome very much the conversation is a great pleasure to meet you i wonder why one of you might share this is that this is a unique position that you hold in a certain sense you know very interesting life as well that we want to talk about a great many dimensions but it is the intelligence that you have which puts you in this unique position again one that was recognized early on in your life or was this something amusing well intelligence an i q would be two quite different concepts now intelligence would be what i call one's overall parameter of abilities in that a dog inherits a dog's brain and you inherited a human brain and the dog obviously has bounds which you do not share even if you take the dog to college and he sits in the front row of the class any never barks you know he's still not going to appreciate shakespeareans right so we know this is something he he inherited that dog's brain now i q is something else entirely i q is just a measurement probably not a very good measurement of how much we're able to profit by because we don't use that knowledge to question of our brain bearings we just use five ten fifteen percent or something like that maybe we're going to be using more maybe that but the i q at the very most could only measure what portion of our brains were using now i doubt very very much that it does that i'm just saying at the most that's what it could possibly do but i doubt it very very much yeah but i'm wondering if if we were to say we have intelligence the ability to perceive debility  as as versus well when you were mentioning about what part of that would be the human consciousness you know what would be you do it with feelings let's say is that something apart that's part of human consciousness or yes i would say is is right in a function of intelligence you think it is i don't think there's any question that's ok it depends on how much you say versus how much the next person say it's not that may not mean that you are more intelligent we were just speaking of the intellectual exist let's say first in the world without talking about the differences between the human species and the other biological but within the human species you know how can we differentiate going how do we account for the differentiation in the ability levels of intelligence in the human as i think we all have enormous potential and if we are raised in the quote right unquote way or if we happen to have that combination of circumstances and motivation that cedric some of us vocal come out to appear very intelligent at least on an i q test and others will not whereas i believe that the two babies were where the same brought up adenike lay they would be coming closer although you have different clay to begin with when they have child a and child b they they are going to a is a is made of the brain itself and the nervous is made up of this you can also be a you can be affected by life experiences or it can be that there is this firing mechanism to give a system that makes for consciousness and perception and so i think that's what artificially artificially raise the child's level of intellectual functioning but only to a certain point because motivated parent is not a motivated child then you say more and more pressure as time goes on and finally the child walks out because and one must be very very aggressively intellectually to have a high i q that is one thing that i think i do have i think i've been very aggressive intellectually and on certain things and find things interesting and you know  receive because the child is is taught right from the beginning it's a passive process he or she sits there and they simply try to believe everything they are told for example a five year old will believe yes i suppose that would be a factor also i would certainly say it is but if we allow our kids to become a very very motivated learn how to go out and do things on their own which is one  upbringing i can't say that it's better good but it is interesting because it's different so are related just for a moment that i had an extraordinarily permissive upbringing which means that as young as i as young as i was in the skies back as far as my memories take me i didn't have a curfew i had to take care of my own meals took care of my clothes and and if i asked my parents a question and they were very loving people by that was there all the time you know how just if i ask a question  childish question is why is this going on oh yeah that sort of thing she would say i'm not here to entertain you you should go out and find the answer to that question and you have this childish curiosity you're delighted with everything everything kind of different ideas of education in the works why do you think it is that the society is geared that way toward encouraging people to become so out of record rather than being able to become into direct intellectually themselves and very often driving people to learn can follow all that but i just i wonder you really ask me if i'm optimistic about that i would say no i'm not too optimistic about that but i've learned not to expect change as fast actually nothing what have women that are throughout history which actually nothing is doing more than it is with their lives you know that i'm comparing comparing them to the white man and people have asked me what do i think of the future for blacks what do i think of the future for women and i would say in these two particular cases and in the open we can move from the secular to the general i don't so much hope but can't because we can't wipe out history and when the young black child reads what it's what it's  like having it in perspective what the black person has done well but the work the woman has done they have they have this conditioning right in the beginning you know of how it's been in the past there's not that much expected of them and so i think it's this way with with was maybe they maybe they just know a lot more than i do but i didn't understand shakespearean time i was thirty and when i see a high school kid groaning because they're reading romeo and juliet i understand why they're growing there once or they don't understand what's going on don't you think there's something  really depressing about given the fact that learning new things learning even learning patterns was a work is such an exciting proposition and secondly there was a biology physics the realities of biology physics and are all kinds of things but in this effort to make a rounded individual we sort of turn them all off to everything give these things to where they the other day math the other day is the other man a nineteen year old was complaining to me about the junk he called and then it and looking back at their ridings early judgments that were made on their progress but only hard evidence not looking in terms of life accomplished but rather what evidence did they were even writing and to do something else entirely and so we may say john the south was brighter where possibly michelangelo was we don't know that but in that motivation another there's another interesting thing i think motivation plays a far greater credit than most people realize and one example would be if we suppose for a moment that you're afraid of your old man and you suffer a stroke you you have been in the prime of life you're doing very well you're active at center you have a stroke and you have a you but not too much damage naturally and the motivation yet within a year or two three five that men may very well indeed be back in again you know now you know sort of he is not motivated he will never walk again it takes tremendous really electric lights automobiles all technology is an extension of our consciousness into the environment in a very real sense it's all coming out from and so i was making environment other than that which is given we've even reached the point now where we have artificial intelligence  people have taken what i mean as these things are measured and as his book and as these are recognised and put forth you are in that position at this particular time which is a very unique and interesting one and so forth must be a little bit like feeling like part in a certain sense because you have i had already died and done by the hardest work in writing which is the very beginning perseverance and just getting to to a publishable point and i had already done that and had several dozen things had never shown to anyone that aspire as bad as television is concerned yes we're discussing those possibilities too because this is a wonderful way to be able to communicate with people when one reads things in the paper  have a more difficult time discerning if there is one tends to get a little too much credence just because it is in print and i like to say ideas explored on television usually on a one to one basis because if you have a panel of people too many people can slip out of answers they are saying you know that they shouldn't be slipping out what i would really like to do is discuss issues of the day or issues that are pertin people who are in the news or people who are doing something that that is influencing other people i'm not especially talking about a track star nothing wrong with being a track star but he or she is not influencing other people's thinking if there are people out there everything apart but let's discuss this are clearly from an independent viewpoint no bias whatsoever and let's let those those folks out there find out about this person that they're following and i want them to get the true right a of understanding what understanding a political figure you know let's say what he means when he says this to that group and this to that group you say mad that for example that's an education in itself you know take the president's speech as i have nothing against president and president to sixty i think groups let's hear him talking to you and your people let's let's hear him talking at the factory gate and let's hear a thousand dollar a plate dinner this is wonderful for people and there's this there's a sense of relief and being able to and being able to understand to find truth underneath all these words that are floating around and that is something that i feel obligated to provide a great ok responsibility which is i didn't want to bring out the more serious things i wrote sooner because i feel but i have a tremendous obligation to be accurate to be unbiased to be totally fair if someone is going to read what i write and give some credence to that it has to be right it has to be totally fair no matter what my personal opinions are or what might just happen to benefit me or the people i love something was great but you have able to commandeer a great number of institutions that affect people's lives and so forth do you think that there are are in essence represents a leader in a very real sense we also or you could have said midget you have the time wrong but at the same time we had somebody who had great cultural influence michelangelo were much more important somebody who wasn't so well known he have to be very well if the time but i mean there was some good but there are people who are employed so what you want to do is present the people who are in a certain sense like for them to know that they will be able to talk with me and that i will not make an effort to make them look bad and i will not make an effort to make them look good they're going to get a totally fair shake  here we have one man one vote and sound national that's there's a problem politicians much of my nature of their trade have to be dishonest you know it's so fortunate that they have to tell people what they think people want to hear an artichoke get them to people in the news in a very real sense something like that you know they ask you something and it was there was a survey taking a real number of people one time asking journalists and so for people in television that would be the most asked you a question you don't mind what would be the most outstanding news story if we're talking news and they're going to what would be the most outstanding news story that they could imagine peace something that could be happening over the next let's say a year and there was one everything down here and one percentage down here than there was one forty five percent of everything else and stood out as the number one news story that possibly could occur as you looked into realistically speaking you know they were just taking everything into account really is it clear but what would be the most outstanding event that could as or man or it would be the second appearance of jesus was taken in not that brings you into a religious system and if you were doing this television thing of the time of jesus you would have been talking to pontius pilot that means that i believe there was a first coming and i was not around back then and there are a lot of people most of the earth does not believe there ever was a first coming and so i think will be a little foolish for me to sit here in the united states and not have any would be served would be having a direct access to people through television because books are nice they make money but not a lot of people buy them and you really get through to people actually not the people buy books but but it's