and some of the current situation and welcome welcome very much to our conversations it's a great pleasure a distinct pleasure for me to welcome to the program florence am rice and florence am rice is a pioneer public access producer we were just sort of reminiscing we both go way back bathrooms of this public access business and she's a crusader for human rights in the best sense of the word she had the great sense of social conscience and responsibility whatnot going on but i wonder maybe you could share with the audience your own personal background where you were born and raised some education some of your experience and then get into a conversation about well human condition and like to say  you know because we're learning that those early years or so impressive in terms of making an impression on people are well yes i think it's important in fact when you speak about that now you carry me back you know the east side i remember the to remember and serve that experience relevant your way when i really try real hard i can go back but what happened i had decided just to close that part of my life i never the fact even discussed just a number of years ago i even started talking about it and i don't want to have you talk about things if it's uncomfortable to know you know it's not because what i want to send a message out yeah even though i didn't have a mother and father that you know that you i i still was able to be in a responsible adult where you certainly have something right yeah and because you're one of the best human beings some young young people that we godless a lot of people hold a bit because they haven't had a mother and father but i'm saying you never know what happened in their lives that made them make the decision that's right it's really there for you he could not say even though i had many for many years i was angry you know but at the same time as i look back you can't take you no no you know when you encounter as an adult one last thing i just really will get into it because you are a pioneer in terms of public access we won't talk about that but you're said you came to know your mother there when you were in the twenty's or something you know i know i  know it's not good and unless people begin to realize what's happening these these young people do lives ruined but it's been bad quite a bit of time has been i mean leg over a long period well like what is it always been such a high percentage of men or well drained is well getting well the fact is and i'm not really the person to talk but the fact is you don't have  testified in adam pals theory yeah they told me that if i testified at that hearing i would never work again no four and i never worked and i will not about politics no we're just a fact i things back in the sixty's it's been a trial seven ever since i can remember it's been a temporal question that has been addressed and i'm very sorry to hear you say that this year two thousand and five good krenz are making it  was reading something by the baja and the thing that racism is going to destroy this country i think it could only get it going here it is and you know by extending a certain sense it could destroy this world very well it is a far as african americans are concerned it looks to me in the young people what bothers me from the young people many of them keep finish college you know they can't get a job by having got a leg up with the capital assets of noah so most of them oh you know my whole thing over the years racism is alive and well and you just have to keep working at it i saw a thing on you new people come in that also have this bring this racism and attitude to something it's all over the world well it's really a horror rules and i saw a thing we were talking about had there was i forget exactly what kind i think  was quakers involved but there was there they had the end of the emancipation proclamation in six thousand eight hundred and sixty three and there was a statement made that that they that they were making a case of that time that the slaves who were still slaves were better off than the people in the north were free because the slaves had to be given a certain measure of something worse the others were just totally at the bee when adam went and you know people who would do to develop business you have the oklahoma you had the florida but every time it was started you found out how the klu klux klan so  neighborhood network part of the public access system of now a vision and i know you've been doing that since forever almost doing public maybe you could tell me how did you get started with public access when did you get started i was in my forty's that's when you got into media yeah so that's when i got there you know and you've been involved in the radio and i was involved with the red arrow and jackie adams adam and what you're doing you can remember back what were you doing and what i would say are they live always done all right consumer education sooner or editing certainly i think it's very very important certainly i think it should be in every school life being young people should that all right i just keep saying it's important that economics and i'm saying to all young people you know you teach them about economics what is capitalism how does this country corporate world that's right and into that i've some people thinking to the white house well no it's old rule now i want you out there to that the politics and the business you know sort of mix it up yeah but you think it really is that kind of dog eat dog kind of suit talking and it's not like they have any respect and involve yes over that's that's you know if they don't have respect for elders and oh they did that they that they don't they don't that thing i'm not even had a real love of you know that they don't if they to handle one's business had to know how to handle the telephone with an economy and how to know how to buy insurance i thought of a very important you were passing this information out and using it i had very good consultant what happened to you know all my stuff my stuff my history right now is and still are born and i don't know i have a feeling that all that stuff is lois really do you know god bless them or their people is a good place they got a lot of good things going and you're you're you're one of the pioneers of all this and you had a great i remember way back in the battle and so i can graduate you're my take my hat off to you for doing that early effort at  involving people in terms of understanding this shark the shark capital of world we're living in and how to survive and helping people i thank you very much longer than to give people hope and that people can do it al you you you you have to sort of a lot of people feel that they can do and i think you have to have a lot of love in your heart and a one of the educating the public through these kind of things and really helping a whole lot of people but you've had some things happen to you recently that we want to talk about and it has to do relevant to maybe some other people remember to share with you have some difficulty with your living situation and so forth maybe we could talk some about that we have a d v d with a couple of pictures of them i want to show where they were could bring it up to date you and angel of the airwaves who's been doing all this work oh you know it's only now it's only just true it's really true it's really true your danger of what you've been doing and now you've been suffering some real you know sources that now i'm not suffer think of all the seniors yeah problems for a lot of the seniors and there are people who are taking advantage of the seniors in our society now in new york and it's even caught up with you let's and poor people or people who are old people level a particular or poor people a determined get the word out to let people know would also bugged me with the fact that many seniors yeah losing and being forced into nursing homes where they've got her whole life around them and i'm going and no repair but they never they came in and did a patchwork and they never king that i mean that would be they nor this current thing or before this had happened but they never came back and you know they never came back and did a problem never came back just like it did make you feel a little bit a large person can't even walk through you know milo yeah they made it like a regular woman house and that's what they do and it's single that single single room and theirs is a thing that's going on and it's a particularly affecting some of the older people there are more vulnerable people well who got a life build around a subsidy of a part that kind of thing and they do it happened to you now listen we've only got so much time unfortunately but you have some pictures i think it's from there amsterdam times or something or and you want to show he when they need help you know when you when you will when you get in trouble everybody wants to know why didn't you go somewhere i wanted to think you begin i don't know of any place in in here in new york that nobody can afford working people can afford not no no we're saying yeah so i'm just saying is this country right now is really for the rich and well to do that's right was many of the people who they call all the jobs was well paying jobs yeah never came down to the bottom to the people to the people that's a real problem on this planet that and when i see that again i go back to the black man who out of work now and can't get no where still every day i things being built now that i don't see them and then what happened they for and about and with can true concern for the folks and i thank you and salute you very much for that long career and and thank you also for pioneering in this effort that you're doing now to help others that are being disadvantaged by the sharks that too of