clearance and worked at the plutonium extraction facility which the acronym is called pyrex and what they were what they did is we took the fuel rods from at that time a hundred and reactor and dissolved them and extracted the arraigning him and plutonium from the fuel rods unfortunately when you do that only three percent of the volume of the fuel rods is usable material about one percent plutonium two percent uranium and therefore you have a tremendous amount of by products and when the fuel rods go through the reactor and the atoms are split through  you also create a tremendous amount of other radioactive nuke that adds stride cme cesium and these are kind of undesirable in the when you're in the nuclear weapons business so that's the byproduct of the waste that we produced for forty fifty years is these other nucleotides plus thousands of gallons of chemicals to dissolve these fuel rods because it's a heavy metal and they use nitric acid other caustics to dissolve these and so therefore we created millions of gallons of of waste so what from pyrex the end of the cold war came just shortly after i started an eighty eight nine and then the pyrex facility could see their future ramping down i was very new low in seniority and i got transferred to what is called the tank farms and the tank farms is where they store all this nuclear  i mainly work on the double shell tanks and the single shell tanks are mainly in west area so i have some experience with the single so there's not as much monitoring on the single cells because you don't have that secondary space of the called the annulus between the first tank and the second outer shell that you monitor and look for leaks so i got to work a lot more modern instrumentation and modern equipment mark as far as we go because some of our stuff goes back to the forty's and fifty's and the first double shot sank was built in sixty eight so that's where i've been since been the same office building sense eighty eighty eight been the about twenty five years in that building working on the same tanks in the same old stuff for quite a few years that's come a brief history of how i got to where i'm at now so talk about what happened back in october of two thousand and eleven you know an unusual day yeah i did it was after a long weekend and one of the piece equipment how kind of explain to all of it how it works  this equipment is used to detect leaks in the secondary between the first and secondary tanks on a double shot timing and the tanks are all are underground they're all underground they're hold the ones we work on are a million gallon tanks they're quite large and they're all underground for shielding purposes because the radiation doses are so high they want them underground with about twelve feet of soil on top so everything we work on is kind of remotely nothing we can work on is visible everything is done remotely so this piece equipment is mounted above ground and it has a very thin wire which extends picture but it's about three inches tall two inches wide at the base that's on suspended on a thin wire in the system and actually ways it constantly and through load cells and different types of sensors it constantly weighs it when it touches something in the way it is dispersed and it can measure up to half a gram of weight so when it touches something that we know what level that plummet is that it actually measures that the depth that it goes at so my part of my job is to keep this calibrated keep working and we've had this equipment place since ninety five very good piece of equipment and we've constantly cal check the sensitivity and so when i came in on monday i was approached by my supervisor that the my work scope had totally changed that day and i was kind of in what we call urgent mode liquid and it detected about a half inch of liquid so maybe an extra attack and working with this a quip meant we always trust our instruments and believe they're accurate sometimes the ma operation people that monitor or watch the equipment because over their lifespan they've had false alarms and we have never detected a leak they assume that the equipment is not working right so meanly we always have a difference of opinion and their opinion was that the equipment had failed and that i need to go out and find out why it failed and my oh my canned response they know me very well as i've let's assume it's working and that we have a problem so usually immediately there's a difference of opinion so i got my quit my test equipment my computer and i took one off the field it's something i can do  myself i could take out so quickly i don't need additional help from other instrument techs but i do need a health as it's technician and this person is skilled at measuring radiation and if we encounter radiation what the dose rates are the human effect is on people and you are required to take this person with you for ninety percent of your work in the field just for safety reasons so myself in one of the nothing of the typical problems you would see so there's kind of some checks you go through to double check so you have redundancy in your systems because you don't want to put all your  baskets and one you know it's all in one basket so you have a redundancy and there's some checks then you can perform with this piece of equipment to check chain check the different levels that can send it down to the bottom go through any liquid and find the bottom of the tanks and then bring it back up togo and reset the sensitivity and have a go back up to the liquid but it's detected what i did in it and it worked just like it's supposed to and it showed it could go to the bottom of the tank show the bottom and then after putting it back into the sensitivity mode it went right back to detected about a half inch you know of a liquid so that was kind of checked number two and then just so that we now we've we've determined that we have some form of liquid in the annulus space and we need to check to see what it is these any of spaces are are one hundred percent clean if the if there's no contamination in the secondary shell it's very clean area because the tanks armored tanks are all the waste so the check you can do is you can actually command the equipment to raise this plummet device and up to us a psych class like a viewing window real small maybe three inches across across it's leaded glass so it shields that if there was radiation it shields it so it's not as strong to the human body as it would be if you were just exposed right to it takes about five minutes to raise it up is down about sixty five feet so you program the computer and and you wait for it to come up and you casually just kind of visit and wait for it to come up and normally i've done this all probably hundreds and hundreds of times the last twenty five years and you kindest wait knowing or thinking that there's in the gum enough in there contamination coming up to your level and it helps you to protect yourself from stepping back if there is some dough straight and to our surprise when it got within a couple feet of the top of the tank or top of the ground the geiger top the geiger meter actually went out of range it was not able of counting the radiation anymore because the contamination was so high the geiger meters set up to count on a very low range they're kind of the first body is absorbing from the radiation so when you have to change that instrument things are usually pretty radioactive so the protocol she's got both piece of equipment ninety nine percent of time we never use that second piece of  start to raise some red flags the instruments started creeping up and we went one to all at the five m r which was astronomical for space this supposed to be perfectly clean and then at that point we had to make a few decisions on what to do so one is we had to contact what they call the area manager to notify him because we've now entered a type of scenario where it's unexpected and we need to let them know that we've got a serious situation and the second thing is we need to lower the plummet back down so that those traits are there exposing ourselves or the dose rates were gone in the contaminations was not detectable and we made the notifications to the appropriate people that we had a leaking tank and in my business there you to say that your take is leaking you have to be very careful it's kind of like saying you know yelling bomb on an airplane or yelling fire in a movie theater if you're going to say that we've got something leaking at hand for you better know exactly what you're doing and it's not something that's taken lightly at all it's very serious business so i had a radio with me for  contacted the shift manager on the radio told him reported him that the quipping was working fine and that we have detected a leak in the i know space approximately half inch deep gave the radiation doses and they immediately came back on the radio told us to go to a telephone the radio channels are monitored and to say that across the radio is very serious business so he merely said can you please find a  moderating the liquid down there and then we reported back to what we call a shift office where the managers are at and then a lot of discussions began after that so that was the first half of the day so on the day of what did they tell you then after you gave him the info they said ok basically that will look into this thanks then yeah the shift manager had had some had quite a few years experience in the tank farms his manager had previously been a shift manager also and he had some experience also the tank farms and at one time they had what they call water intrusion into some of the annulus spaces they had a above ground pipe break and the water was able to find its way into the you know space and had set off these alarms in the past and they told me well this we've known that it has rained significant amount in the last two weeks and we thought maybe that the rainwater had found its way into the annulus plays and i said well that would be ok but as far as i know that we don't have a rainwater that reads five and five m r in dose rate and i said so we can't call it rain water when we've gone through the checks to to verify it's not just any water or any kind of liquid down there that it's actually contamina liquid then the magister well we knew back in the seventy's that there was some minor contamination was accidentally put into the annulus through a transfer system because and the other is very acidic and they can kind of mix the waste up to get a neutral state and his transfer lines go through the annual space and into that in the primary tanks and he said that he had heard of some slight contamination getting into that annulus space back in the seventy's and that's what surprised me because we don't again we don't do anything as on rumors or legacies so hearing of some story that happened in the seventy's didn't didn't cut the mustard for me and it was kind of strange because they didn't appear to they did not want to accept the fact that we had a problem and i'm not sure why because you know we our generation didn't build this equipment this equipment was built in our father's generation so we're not responsible for how it was bill we're just response for keeping track of it and monitoring it so to say that something's failed that we had no  part of designing or building we wouldn't be taking the responsibility for we're just showing that the quote it's failed so to say it hadn't felt it was a strange attitude for me to experience because there was no blame to point and there was nobody to point fingers at saying you didn't do your job it just happened it is what it is and you just got to deal with it but for some reason the attitude was well we don't believe that this could still happen and when all the indications are pointing to that it was happening so that was kind of the attitude for the first day and it kind of continued after that so from that point on was there more monitoring of that particular tank i would imagine they would go out and regularly check on it now yeah the tank itself has around the stadium a space which goes all the way around the primary tank has three of these piece and they're set up in zones so that it can i'm on are different areas the tank has the tanks very large at sixty five feet across or excuse me fifty five to sixty five feet across and so he there was a lot of theory put into place and they design these tanks and so they there's thirty that if it did leak the liquid could start to leak could start at the very top of the tanks where there's a liquid as almost like water tanks because of the sediment that settles  tanks these tanks separate solids move to the bottom a liquid stays atop that the liquid or free flow around the annual space and be very easy to detect then they also knew that it could start leaking from the bottom where the material is almost like it's kind of i'm a lhasa state very thick and it could just leak out of one area and we would need to detect different zones so we have three pieces of equipment on this tank and the other two hadn't gone into alarm only this one instrument had and we've come to find out later the reason it had is because when it started to leak that came out in such a thick sludge like lava that it flowed out into this just this one area because it was so thick more liquid form and less radioactive have a one towards the bottom as is not good because i'm in the worst of the worst materials down towards the bottom so that the that was you know the moderate continued throughout the conventional and sometimes you can get a mechanical drifts of very small numbers of thousands of an instrument this quitman monitors into the tens of thousands of it's very sensitive and it can have a mechanical drift of maybe an eighth of an edge sixteenth of an inch and so when we go out and we see a drift like that we perform a calibration on it and we're able to reset the instrument back to zero reading because we're starting at a zero number and trying to detect any level increases zero we want to keep monitoring what we have they said they felt that the instrument had drifted out of calibration and they want to perform a zero re said a lot of discussion pursued from there a lot of closed door meetings where i met with the maintenance managers that the facility manager and tried to educate them that this was not the best thing to do because we would be then  on top of known waste down there and again they told me that it was my opinion that it was leaking and their opinion was that it was not leaking and that the that they felt the instrument had had drifted out of calibration so reluctantly they they created a work package or work order for me to go out and raise their own the instrument i did that under as a company make a choice to just not to ignore what the science and what the smith had to tack to it was not a matter of opinion but what i was presenting as a matter of fact and i felt as though they were trying to just make it go away make the situation go away the level hadn't changed actually because the fluid came out in such a sludge form like i said it was a floor lava so it came out in a large glob the instrument impacted a half inch of it and then it's kind of settled out down to about a quarter of an inch level enver and held steady there because it filled up as an area of space right there at that instrument but it was still when you brought the plummet up it was still reading very high doses of radiation the magic shows they decided well let's clean that plumbing off and try and get the waste off of it what you can do there is flush ports where we hook a pressurized water on to these on a sentiment so we can clean to the bottom then yes they space about sixty five feet extremely disturbed the waist down there we have another piece of equipment that monitors the air and that and you know space and it can detect airborne radioactivity  and soon as we put that water in there disturb the waste this instrument one of the alarm it detected airborne radioactivity in that air space down there another form of leak detection that we have and it immediately went into alarm  phase which indicated that we had really kind of stirred up the waist down there the bottom of the annulus kind of a second people call the second red flag for me it was about the fifth because after all the checks i made on this other piece of equipment this was just adding to each added to the fact that we had a problem just keep adding autumn and we only needed two things to prove that a problem we were on about the fourth scenario or fourth alarm that we had a  problem again then other people got involved start asking more questions just decide myself asking questions of that they knew the scenario was going on and what mantras decisions they were making other people got involved with asking more questions the health is expect nations who work with this other piece of equipment that monitors the air contamination and began to ask a lot of questions they they knew that that quickly would not go off unless material it's in this tank and those that information went back to management management then there their statement was that this was caused by this so called legacy waste from the at this time i was becoming very stressed because i knew that we had a problem and i felt as though it was going up my management chain to deal with that but not getting any results there was other people who got involved started asking a lot of questions i don't know their frustration level as high as mine because this for them that was maybe the only the first red flag that went off and for me it was maybe the fifth fourth or fifth so the tension start to build not only of myself but with other employees with with management and this is all all these decisions are happening within the company at this point there's no outside no no outside entities were involved at this time it was i would  were being made at the middle middle management level as far as i know what happened to hike lot of closed doors so and a lot of phone conversations were going on so who is being talked to and who's making the decisions i really don't know when this equipment goes off they're required to contact the department to call g and deal we and notify him that the equipment scav what they also did though was they gave their opinion of why it went off and their opinion they told them that the equipment has gone off but we feel it's gone off an error because of intrusion or leakage of rainwater into the space and so when they put that in the same statement they didn't allow  to ask questions they didn't even give them the opportunity they they said this equipment is gone off we think it's rainwater so don't worry about it all right and they gave that opinion your department of energy because they have they have a list of requirements when equipment goes into alarm they've got to make a notice and make or north cation to the state to the federal government after that they notification the other instance that came up after that they weren't required to give any more notifications they didn't they therefore just kept that information internal so what incidents came up after that well the equipment continue to monitor i went on to other work still in the back of my mind knowing this problem existed and you know i'm not at the lecture to pick what things i do work on i have to go do other stuff but knowing that still exist out there i still modder the tank because this equipment all reports to a computer and my field in my job i have access to this computer system and i can go back and look at it to retrieve data which i did weekly kind of keep an eye on it because it really concerns me and posts and also now i'm starting to question my own ability if i knew what i was on because i've been trying to convey some of the trying to convince me that i did and so i was kept thinking if there was something i did that i missed the problem there was something that i could done differently to to explain it better so i started to question myself and my abilities really bothered me and i kept looking for different answers and i kept looking on to find more evidence just so them that hey we need to keep looking at this and it moved on into the christmas season falls up into the spring spring rolled around in march this piece of equipment that i was talking about actually when it had to air code went into a failure mode again it was one of those mornings where i come  the in my book that i have because there's hundreds of error codes come across and it told me that the the apartment was stuck to the bottom or was unable to move which was surprising  i went out with my computer my laptop hooked up to the quitman it started doing some computer scans and sent checks and sure enough plummet i could not raise it or lord or move it or do anything with it it was stuck at about little less than a quarter of an inch showed for a level would not move would not go anywhere totally bizarre situation never happens on this piece of equipment we use this sensitive very cool interesting fun piece of going to work i enjoy it because it has so many different features we also use it on the primary tank to actually measure the level of waste in the tanks then we have another one on each tank that will you can go down into the tank and measure the specific gravity tell you what layers the how the the waste has layered itself out and let you know that the first layer six inches maybe like a one to measure the specific gravity or the density of the material and then three on the outside monitoring for leaks so it's a really interesting piece of equipment and occasionally one of these will we can bring it up and then we do a flush on it clean it off to get the gooey stuff off of it and on those you know define what tank we are and can see different dose rates we talked about dose rates because they're measuring actually in the waist measuring the waist  so to have the any loose one where it's totally a clean space where there's nothing down there but just the steel floor to have one get stuck was extremely unusual never happened before i believe literally go well mike let's not you know it's not say that kind of words i mean again back to the fire and in the movie theater thing how dare you say that and anyhow so the dialogue started was let's just get past give them any other options and actually there was none it's truth but i said well the cameras we got to find out why it stuck and how we can get unstuck so they said ok who will put a camera in there there's  access port right next to it will put a camera in there they chose to use a black and white camera at first kind of unusual we have card cameras very that are articulating you can move around do a thorough inspection and then we have very old black and white ones which do not move the goal is to have a straight on vision shot ask them why they want to black and white they said well the colored stuff is being used for other jobs right now we're just going to do a quick check with the black and white one good on their take a look see what's going on i would have liked to complain but i was just happy we're sticking a camera there to be looking black or white or not so i threw a lot of planning a lot of safety precautions about it took almost a week to generate the work package because getting all the approvals to do this you have to go through our internal auditing system of  safety and radiation controls chemical hazard controls it's how we do access into the u s or primary space we have to go through a lot of precautions so week later we put the camera and lord the camera and when they got down the bottom they could see the plummet which was stuck in something and this the surface down there looked in a black and white image kind of looked like a shiny slimy kind of surface down there not a normal metal metallic look which you can see you know which is difficult total black and white but it looked very different it had different textures to it almost like the top pudding or something to that effect and there was maybe five or six of watches in the camera at the time and we all kind of in our we dropped the camera in there were gone we all said amongst ourselves that doesn't look like the bottom of the annulus because we have seen it hundreds of times for other video inspections and we can see the plummet and it was definitely glued to the bottom and we there was not  really a lot of dialogue of what it was we just knew it looked strange and very different and not normal made a lot of comments below the texture look like it was tough to tell because it wasn't colored colored photographed but you could definitely see that there was something down there took the video to stop the work took the videotape we taped the image i would back to the office i then went on to other war and was not available  for any questions but then again it wasn't my area to to give answers because the video inspection is done by engineers look at the video a man who looks at the video they didn't make a decision of what they were going to do that day the next day we had a meeting and they told us what they had decided they wanted to do and they said well we feel that there's some kind of solution down there that has obviously glued the plummet to the bottom of the annual space but they didn't know what it was and that they felt that they were just going to abandon that piece of equipment at that location and put move that type of equipment to a different space about twenty feet away from where this other one was  they had to do that because the state regulations for monitoring of hazardous waste underground the state requirement says you have to have three detectors monitoring the annu space so with only having two in place they still had to get a third one in operation and they chose to just abandon that one there and put another one in about twenty feet away on the annulus bays and let that one go which  was kind of a unique decision because it was more of just walking away from a problem that was there and not having to deal with it so that's what we did we actually were able to take this piece of equipment cut the wire on it and abandon the wire in the plummet in the in the annual space and move it over to a different riser is what they're called put a new wire drum wire implement on the new one that we july but we do also did some that was kind of unique because when we moved that equipment and we at first tried to manually grab ahold of the wire and it's this is done and in the very elaborate piece of equipment to remove this i mean it sounds simple but we use this thing called a glove bag which is this contraption that mounts around it and we use these lead lying to hold the equipment that's been in the tank or tank space and we really didn't cut the wire we wanted to try and grab it and try to pull it up and when that happened the wire broke but we were able enough to retrieve about forty feet of the wire we're broke i miss wires like piano wire it's very very small we brought that full forty feet up we watered up into a small ball and put it in a containment for disposal there is one of that because they wanted to check it for contamination again which they did and they found extremely high doses of contamination they wanted that for their checks to to have more evidence that there was a problem and there i was their idea they thought of a guy going to give them the credit for that they were they were also thinking on the same line i was that they wanted to build up a case to say we have a bigger problem which they did they were able to survey the wire and  come up with huge doses of radiation for such a small area and it was something they then put right in their report because they write a report every time they measure any radiation so i got him kudos and that was very very good thought and it was they were thinking the same lines i wasn't trying to build up another better or more of a case to to tell management that we have a problem and they need to address it so that happened in basically in mid july we got that august that changes the game when august was there this is almost ten months later after the initial problem this was their this was their scheduled inspection that they planned in august and august came the timeframe that their schedule inspection was that was due to go inspect the outer shell of the annulus had been seven years since they had video inspected it and they compared the videotapes with the previous inspection so they lowered in they go through i think it's probably five different areas and they use the colored camera  very articulate and you can look hundred eighty degrees different directions takes about three days to do this about six hours each day to thoroughly investigate they went in and they can see basically about seventy five percent of the tank space they do kind of an average area they went in and not it they didn't go in the areas that we had problems which was kind of unusual they kind of went in a different area they had their designated space  ports they're going to go into fortunately one of the five places they went into when the operators were manipulating the camera they could see in the distance some unusual material  engineers they videotape this information they gave it to the engineers the engineers compared it from the previous videotapes and said that was not there seven years earlier so they then put the video camera in there dropped out of the car monitors and then lowered it down the if they seen where the leak was that scene with the waste was coming out the bottom of the tank they saw the stock plummet that was stuck to the wast e they found different areas where the leak had pulled up had dried was still what when they came back and brought that back to engineering immediately became concerned that we had a problem and they then request one hundred percent video which means they go in through almost every port which is about ten ports on this to check every inch of this the outside when they did that they also then found another leaking area that was kind of about opposite from where this was that that was not and it was between two different and around us and it was a material that had come out kind of the same aspect like the lava flow this one you can  is if you've seen pictures of a y of one or two this is the green look and sludge area that is there now they found that in a different space so we found two different areas that were leaking out of the one right below the  end after a piece of equipment i worked on one image tween the other two they found radioactive waste but i go back a little bit because they found something that looked like radioactive waste the engineers visually looked engineers looked at it looked at the color and looked at the liquid the sludge and gave a formal report to management said this appears to be waste from the tank that we have a leaking at the bottom of the tank which is gone into the annulus space and we've got to see you know a problem management then said well we want to look take samples of this material and verify came from this tank which is a very you know this gets back into maybe a small part of my opinion which is it's it was more of a political way of saying let's not jump the gun and in the one in a trillion chance this came from somewhere else which is not possible but that's the information they gave out the public in  august so what they did then is they lowered down some robotic equipment to take a sample of the stuff remotely they were able to take a remote sample of this equipment and stuff and brought it up for report to the public that the tank was leaking and it took them from august to november to actually make a public statement the take it was actually leaking into the secondary containment and did you get a look at that report there were i did was it accurate well i kind of back up a little bit on what happened  to say ok we've got a problem we've got a leak of the political part of not coming out to november was their choice and for what reasons i have no idea but at least we we're now where hundred first year where one hundred percent aware of the problem that we had a leak from our first tank to the secondary and i felt we were going to make in progress and life for me kind of got back to normal a little bit you know the stress was off me that i didn't flood the weight of the world was on me anymore as a try and bring this out to get attention to it i kind of relaxed a lot and kind of to the big deep breath and realize ok it's not this burden is not on me anymore everybody knows about it i don't have to be the sole person to stand on the island waving for help anymore and how life got back to normal they came out publicly in november i didn't see the report november i just had read what articles came out in the paper and what small information our company dispersed to us they had us with this small meeting very short that they gave us the official answer that the tank was leaking and life was back to normal  january of this year i was i live because i live in the acma don't receive the tri cities paper and that's usually where most of the news is about hanford someone told me that there was a story about hanford that came out of a tracy's paper of our tank went to allied had some information i saw it on home that night i went through and did a search looking for the article on the internet and when i pulled up the search engine and did a search for went to a y there was about four articles there that i hadn't read and i read them and at the bottom of my search engine was a p d f document that said i won't say why assessment report said a part of the part of energy i went oh it's kind of interesting so i pulled the report it was a five hundred page report on take one or two why the history of it and a lot of information out of curiosity i just to say oh you know i started reading it thinking this you know here was their declaration of the problems we had had and all the scenarios that took place over the year before of trying to you know the first cases of trying to find the leak and and but that's not what i read and i read all five hundred pages and i think after page after page the more frustrated i got because  report written by my company that was given to the public was not accurate and a lot of the information was obscured there was information missing there was bad information and  the thing i kept going back to isn't very far from that document there's a big red stamp that said release for release for public use it's a stamp the government uses when they release documents out to the public and the more of the just the more frustrated got to the fact that the information that the company i work for they gave out to the public was very accurate and very wrong and this information also goes to congress to goes to the congressman presented  out to senators and state local federal representatives not that everybody would read all five hundred pages because after the first fifty becomes very technical and quite monotonous but in the first fifty pages of the summary of what happened it was a totally different scenario of what actually happened and to read that first fifty pages it was like i wasn't even there and i and this stuff the work i had done didn't even exist  which he came very very frustrating very frustrating all also those feelings that i had the year before i start come back again come back the fact that not only did we not do a very good job first year of addressing the issue then we didn't do a very good job of not giving the right information not the public became very frustrating and i didn't want to be a part of  so would you do well at first i didn't ever read it and i wasn't sure what to do i thought about it for several days  actually bought a reader paper and printed the report up and started going through highlighting and making corrections to the report i would highlight areas that weren't accurate take a red pen and write in the correct information to report to work looked up a lot of the information that was on the report that was archived in our computer system made corrections to the report and basically went through and corrected made hundreds of corrections on a five  document and then i sat there looked anthology now would i do with all sin from ation i mean i've got a dollar do i need to tell somebody and i really didn't i didn't talk to anybody didn't ask for advice i just didn't know what to do first i felt like well i should tell maybe you know somebody in place and up in the political world that would have read this give it to them and give let them take it and run with it so i wrote a letter to one of our senators for our area and yakima and wrote e mail with attachment to those documents they can look it up on the internet  give sort brief description of what i had done told them i thought that the information was inaccurate and i would like to give them the accurate information and i waited probably two or three weeks for a reply and i didn't get one so i was and then after that i wasn't sure what to do so i struggled again with that i felt that maybe what i needed to do was go to the media and tell my story and just give them that i was just going to giving them the document i had red lined and said here's the information here's the truth if you're interested you know or would like to set the facts straight it's it was my way of getting out to the public to let them know the truth and so that's what i did i contacted some of the media gave them that corrected paperwork and thinking  that that's all i had to do and the process would take care of itself well i did give it to somebody and they looked through and they were just amazed at what information i had found and they found it very disturbing starving themselves and they also thought that there was a need to tell the public what the truth was i can't imagine a lot of people found this document on the internet maybe some people did maybe some people in the scientific world found it read it you know by really don't know that i mean it's out for public scrutiny it's out for the public to read if i felt there was a way that out there that looked at that and read this  misled i don't know whose people are and i would i want them to know the truth so how do you how do you i could have written a rebuttal on the internet you know but who would who would see it who would know who i am i don't have the weight of deal he or the w our company that works out there and so my my avenue is to think well i'll allow the media to get the message out that we need to correct some things that weren't true and get the so i always try to believe in myself try to learn more about what's going on out there and it's an interesting place it's amazing scary exciting but thank you for asking the questions and spend the time with me appreciat