to figure out what to do next and i was tired of working in the corporate world for you had you did a green business or something and i worked in the software business in the early mid eighty's right a company out of silicon valley opening an office soon peris so i got to a work of art and after working for a company for two or three years i realised that my psychological makeup was such that working for a corporation was not how i would find the good life even though that was on the cutting edge of the digital new super model world isn't there some of the design possibilities and change possibilities within that world of a computer graphics and so forth but sometimes there is but if you're working with our company that's trying to make a return on investment in a short period of time and i believe values of transformation and change get mixed with the business of western civilization so the metaphor that we're using for this crowd the endeavors are there we're supplying the educational technology thread that leads the individual through the labyrinth by inventing the future right and that has in a certain sense enough in a focus it has it's resurrecting in a certain sense sad to say in a certain sense but it does seem to me it is resurrecting to the proper place the central role in a very real sense of our buckminster fuller who was i will remember was the mind as it were of the of the sixty's and so forth synergetics and so on and he seems to have been in a sense eclips really set up our search and go our journey that we took and then we did find by doing this process that a lot of people were very excited about bucky's work and one of the talk about it and and sixty s and early sixty's so it was marshall mcluhan in trying to understand comprehensively what it is that is going on and he had written these incredibly interesting books critical path an operating manual for spaceship earth and i thought the best that he ever did was intuition a long poem that came out of nine hundred and sixty nine and he was in a store brand would say was the mind or the inspiration behind the whole earth catalog and i would submit that he was the central force as it were of the spirit it was what is now loosely referred to as the spirit of the one and only woodstock festival and then it was bucky who was the leading inspirational force at that time and y want to go into a bookstore the other day and i couldn't find in the bookstore you know it's our friend the intuition in the books where that's it for in the young lady said who was i don't know but he's beginning to be resurrected who was outside of academic departments and outside of the usual classifications that we try to pin on people is he a futurist is he a scientist is the an architect has an engineer  poet and of course this field that he articulated comprehensive anticipatory design science and all those words are important to us is something that really hasn't gotten  enough attention and on the academic world doesn't know how to deal with comprehensive type thinking or it's hard to find a place for it unfortunately more and or innocence the world you know the world has become specializes we leave it a time of information all will come into an informational environment and is so much information it doubles every five years and as  specialization everything has become so highly specialized that a place for a comprehensive this seems on the surface of it in this unless you go to systems thinking these are the surface of the absurd because everybody is running so hard to certain sense in terms of understanding what was going on so why do we have specialist why does that continue well that's a good question to ask it's easier to control people if they know idea of an expert or someone who right well it's easier that way that's that's that's how that the tax system set up it's television is part to blame of course this idea of primetime this idea of the time slot when certain things will be shown afraid can be seen as being superseded by technologically gobbling up of the planet destruction of rain forests and decimation of species and things that are going on now which is depletion of the ozone the other ni ecological problems that exist are all are are all there to be in there included in your film so many of the people in your film one of them says from rocky on down people in a certain sense follow that ecological course you've been in touch with people with living machines and people who are in a sense of picking up some of the designs from nature and that we are in touch with nature and having a sense of ecological concern is one of the principal feelings and  found a resolution to that and our technology whether to has been very primitive in terms of understanding nature as a model of technology or technology still uses d or takes more than  kid's or technology of transportation for instance and all this talk about the multimedia revolution and how that's going to affect knowledge and and information exchange is important but i think the question is where is the energy coming from that supports these computers so obviously technology is not just it's not just to have an answer in one dimension we have to look at where our energies coming from and that gets back to what bucky talked about wealth has to do with the intelligent use of energy and that's where using less than one percent of our daily income or daily solar income or using less than one percent working mostly using our bank account when we could be living off the  that this is the most crucial generation in the history of man and in a sense because we really do in a very real sense seek ecological trauma with the also on the pollution with the car with the greenhouse development and the decimation of species and so what and there's a we still do have fifty thousand dollars hydrogen warheads that have been part of this technological extended capability and then you look at a very decimate the species who are in unprecedented time in the two hundred thousand year history of the evolution of our species and it's a very critical time a crucial time where we have to really find some way and it's hard to find inspiration from way when you reach the point where where we literally can apparently michio kaku was on here a couple of weeks ago and i asked him he's a nuclear physicist you help develop these things reason to keep track of these kind of things and they can farm other people have been for that we do have for the st time the technological capability extended extended consciousness which technology is world war we couldn't do it in history to kill the tribe in the other valley but we do have a new promethea and capability to destroy the species we can't destroy the life of we can destroy the species which is something we've had probably been able to do that probably from around ninety five thousand four hundred and fifty five something like that is within our lifetime which puts a new kind of stamp of urgency upon that and we seem to be moving in terms of the or paradigm in terms of the way spaceship earth has been operating in terms of the same old principles of scarcity and so forth without there being any kind of visionary leadership from our political from our political leadership or from our business leadership or from solutions you've made historical mistake and of course the base of the mainstream media has bought into that they're just like little locusts going around looking for someone to speak about a topic or not really thinking it through  politicians don't really solve problems in fact that may be the problem but here is patella story that if you take all the politicians on the planet and send them on a one way ticket around the sun ok the world would still get  on in fact maybe even better after six months of realizing what that's like and we figure out new ways of trading with figure out new ways of doing things in the middle to a whole new set of innovations but if you shut down the technology electronic town meetings and with computers and television technology we can do away with a lot of the so called political process and have people directly vote direct to mock or see i think it's something we might see the way things are going is alive just commit i was talk of town meetings and people think disenfranchised and cynicism of all our leading institutions and so work is very very deep particularly among the young is a generational thing that's starting to happen who feel largely your body and your project is largely a body right right is where we trace the history of design from the getting of the century to our current time and then speculate on the st century and mostly looking at architecture and design but of course that spins off into many dimensions and it really gets down to the level of what the greeks called the kiss ticks which is the study of human settlements how the humans go about settling the landscape what is that process how can we trace it in order to understand it better and how can we intervene and try and be regenerative in our design so that our buildings give more than they take that are artifacts are making of things become more elegant and that we actually improve the condition on life and it gets into this question of what is the human function in the universe  bucky was very good at asking and a lot of people say well life is just theater and we're just players on the stage to generate ice general media and showbiz lucian to and we're just layers regenerative design that we are in a sense counter forces to the nd law of thermodynamics that in the physical world everything is breaking down it's only in the medical physical world and things develop ideas or knowledge always improve the good you can learn less your we should learn more that's right and that humans in a sense keep the world together we build bridges we build automobiles we build cities and that we do have a very important function of keeping the life regenerating and that our minds have a role to play and that if we don't get it right on this planet maybe mind or appear on other planets you know that this is  or an experimental initiative of the universe to see if mind can regenerate itself over night or over just pure dumb matter absolutely yeah and that might and is so precious when you think of it i mean we have we have a sphere of electromagnetic spectrum going out at the speed of light sixty light years out from the earth you know that contains all the television programs and we have no clear evidence probability theory tells us is unlikely it's likely that there because he also brought into the common language synergy the behavior of the resonant behavior of systems and predicted by the sum of their parts there and so that the purpose of biological evolution was to move across entropy are chaos and bringing these patterns of understanding the process in which we are apart and if you have in a whole systems design the ability to see relationships between pattern recognizing capability to see the relationship between parts the overall system which is the time which we live we may be close to a time of coming into some new resonating reality to universe than that which we've been throughout the human experience which might be the averse side of the destructive scenario than we may be coming into some new relationship the universe now but you're right now we have will have to understand our functioning universe and of course get beyond scarcity economics this idea of debt which is a political invention the universe does not operate according to that there's only harvesting and accessing the generalized principles of how universe works and then on using those principles to support life this my little axiom and i think we need to understand and get into a cosmic level of understanding about what what sustains life what is it really and if it's if it wasn't for photosynthesis that we wouldn't be here now ron and that the plants are more charged than a bankers or politicians who are so caught up in thinking they have solutions or ideas were were just in the wrong discourse so it's an essential to understand parallel universe and realize that a lot of what to do that we want to give a chance st of all you have we want to show you part of your film ok and this film and again it's called ecological design and we're going to inventing the future invent some type of inventing the future comes from the understanding that if you want to indigenous communities live within the limits of their local ecosystem nature technology and culture maintain a dynamic balance the designs of the industrialized world have developed beyond the limits of local ecosystems today our global technologies are depleting the earth's resources darkening the skies and world as with waste and endanger ing much of life's diversity can we invent a more comprehensive way of designing which will integrate the build world with our larger ecosystem the biosphere can we find a way of life which will create a harmony between nature technology and humanity the machine precise standardized specialized in exhaustible seemed to promise a future of unlimited g h environmental consequences tree began with architects being inspired by an emerging age of industry and technology and everybody wanted to believe this somehow function like a combustion engine and the monitors saw the building as an isolated object it was isolated from its environment and it was isolated from its urban context it was an object in space and independence was true connections were severed so the gr make machines influence the st half of the century when clearly a concern for the earth is certainly the iconography of the images of the future just figuring out what would be lifted to do next with what's available in the way of tools the responsibility of the designer is the of of the outlaws and the simply outlaw thinker who certainly to try to reach forward  restrictions of today beyond the stupidities of the current political situation whatever that may be the current way things are done and say god how should we really be doing this think of them as being completely in the world maybe right but we need them that the system that we have created is the potential to do everything that we would like to see happen back minister for that is the quintessential design for a child of the machine age he would be one of the st designers with rather than simply meant by going about our daily business in the same way we always have here was a man who had invented his own geometry and intellectually the notion that we can design our world rather than taking the things that come out of the factory the way they're being market