like to call to order the city of lakewood study session virtual meeting on april th at seven zero p m will the clerk please call the rol well thank you all for taking the time to tune in this evening and certainly a challenging time as we continue to work through all that's happening in our country and in the world i would like to make a couple  notes we will have an update on our previous workshop meeting after during our kind of our general comment time i would also like to mention for folks that are tuning in item for presentation discussion on the future metro districts that has been changed it is now going to be put out there'll be a presentation that will be done by jay hutchison our public works director and we will take that a little bit further down the road when we can have public participation in that so without further ado i'm gonna go into our our item number three which is a presentation and a discussion we're very honored tonight to focus nineteen and during the state of emergency are actually the guiding agency for the first day at home order that was then superseded by the state of colorado but doctor johnson i just want to thank you for taking the time to be here i know that this has been a challenging time for you and near folks as well and just turn it over to you thank you mary paul i appreciate your kind words our staff have been very busy i'm not sure exactly what all you but would would be best for me to cover but i thought i would cover about five different areas talk a little bit about the virus itself talk a little bit about testing and some of the p little bit about treatments for committee update you a bit on the cases and deaths in the state and in jefferson county then just mentioned some of the issues that we're having with the stay at home worker and then open it up for question questions and answers if that is is acceptable to you the virus unfortunately is a virus that we have never seen before in humans in in this world it apparently came from bats mixing with other wild animals in what are called wet markets in china where numerous animals that in the wild would never be close to each other or put in cages that are very close to each other so that they share the same breath they have urine and feces that co mingles with each other and so they are exposed to viruses that they would never be exposed to in the wild what this does then is bring new viruses and occasionally some of these are infectious in humans and that is what we have with this new corona virus which is well be the sars v virus and it causes the disease kove at nineteen as you know there is no immunity because as i mentioned it's not been seen before and we do not have a vaccine for it we also don't have very good treatment in fact we don't have any real treatment for this that has been substantiated we had tried numerous antiviral medications because it is a virus like some of the others that antivirals do work with myosin in some small studies these have been shown to be very effective in other studies they have not seemed to help much so it's hard to say whether they are effective or not or if there may be a subset of individuals in whom they are effective but study is being done on that one of the questions that was sent to me by the deputy city manager that i believe one of the council members raised was what about what's called convalescent plasma therapy what this is is you find people who have been cases with the disease who have recovered and now have antibodies in their plasma to the virus and what happens then is you take the plasma from those individuals and you inject it into somebody who is usually severely sick you don't use it on the mildly sick but you use it on the severely ill is give them somebody else's antibodies to help them fight the virus and ends again some small studies this has been rather rewarding and a lot of study is being done on that for the most part however distress syndrome where the lungs essentially have pneumonia viral pneumonia on both both sides of the lungs and it closes down the ability for oxygen exchange to happen and so this is why are hearing so much about ventilators because what insulators do is they force oxygen with with a great deal of force into the lungs to help open up those alveoli where the oxygen exchange takes place  and helps to let the patient continue to breathe even though they don't have the the power on their own to get air into the lungs testing has been a problem america decided to go on its own instead of using the world health organization test i was not privy with discussions that led to that is it has been a bit of a fiasco and in many cases first of all the the testing reagents that were sent out or faulty and then we had a hard time keeping up ever since then getting both the reiated out as well as the swabs that are needed for their testing and then finding laboratories that have the ability to do th once they get the the swabs from from the case or the patient that is presenting hopefully we have can see a light at the end of the tunnel we now have more than just a state laboratory here doing the tests we have a number of the hospitals during these tests we also have private laboratories that are doing tests and we're getting new testing modalities so that there are some quicker tests with turnaround particles of the virus that is the corona virus what is being done now is there has been one fda approval of what is called an antibody test or a stress test or you can take a prick bug and put it on to a  a medium that will quickly show whether you have antibodies to the corona virus there are basically two kinds of antibodies that show up on the shows up rather quickly and then one that shows that later which shows that you have had the the virus and that your body has been able to fight fight off with these antibodies that now should be being dispersed around the country and hopefully we'll have more more it's available were sites available and more kinds of tests available to do the testing this is very important when we are looking particularly at our first responders because if the responder is is exposed to somebody who does period seems to be about fourteen days and so this takes people off of line both for fare and police and for other first responders when they may not need to have this so if we can test them quickly and find out whether or not they are have been infected with the virus we can get them hopefully back into into service quicker once we have these tests available as far as cases  deaths in colorado as of yesterday we have had five hundred and five thousand one hundred and seventy two cases with one hundred and fifty deaths in jefferson county initially were trying to figure out the disease and how it was being spread and that continued to change and icily we thought that when somebody was asymptomatic they were not contagious we have learned however that for two or three days before somebody shows symptoms of the disease they can be contagious we also thought that the the main spread or the only spread of the disease was through droplets we're now learning that it can be aer olized which theoretically are just very very small droplets but they can last in the air much longer than the larger droplets which usually fall onto to the surfaces around them so with these small aerosol about what it can cause initially we thought most of the disease was was severe respiratory infection with the hyatt cases with cardiac complications so we're learning more about the virus were learning much more about how its transmitted and all of this has changed our response to the virus and some of the public authorities that have gone out one of the best things that we have found around the world is what are called stay at home orders or sheltering in place or lockdown or whatever you want to call it basically trying to keep people out of the public as much as possible and when they are in the public keeping them separated as much as possible and now as you know we are also encouraging people to were masks if they are in public to help decrease both their spread and their chances of getting infected all of this has caused a lot of concern because when you put a stay at home order in place you also have to turn to are those who are what are called critical workers or essential workers or essential businesses what are those places that need to be left open so that services can continue to provide critical services or essential services choice of those is very difficult at times they have been tainted maybe with some politics but we have tried in all of the ones that we have suggested to let what is the best for the public health and tr limit it to there however i think probably for the last five days most of my time has been spent responding to complaints on compliance or complaints on what is essential and what is not essential and we have been working with the governor's office or with the state department to try to get more clarification as to exactly what is meant by the governor's order as you mentioned we did have an order in ready to go before the governor butthis in place but to help decrease complications and confusions all of the denver metro health departments have adopted the governor stay at home orders and so we continue to work with him his office and the state health department on some of those issues where there are some confusion as continues to be some confusion to get the hello clarification on that that essentially is the situation we have mira paul i would be happy to try to answer any questions that the council members have that may be more specific or more targeted than what i was able to do in just the presentation as sort of a general presentation muted myself so still trying to learn how this all works and would like to open it up to counsel now for some questions related to it i do want to just hone in on one comment that you made to really and that was your your thanks for all the folks are our frontline workers and the first responders and doctors and nurses thank god for for all of them and what they're doing and also the challenge you are up against with the different i would say constituencies when you were looking at how do you do an order and what is essential and what's not and i know that certainly was not easy as you were certainly probably being lobbied by a lot of different people with that i'm gonna go to a coronavirus and and also you made mention that essential businesses and what is considered that has been tainted by politics and i'm curious what you actually we are learning more about the strains all the time it appears that initially there were two strains in china with various names that are not important but one that seemed to be a bit more effective and more serious and one that seemed to be a bit less now we know there are at least eight strains that have been identified around the world one of the huge problems with viruses as i sort of mentioned at the very beginning with with bats and animals is that once these viruses get into other species or even in a same species they mutate and when they mutate they then may become more effective or if you do have immunity to one strain you may not have immunity to another strain this is the problem we face every year with influenza where the influenza virus can either shift or drift either make a huge change or a minor change every year and when that happens we have to adjust the vaccine that we have for it and we end up either having a large influenza outbreak or a small influenza outbreak corona viruses are in some in many ways similar to that and we are learning as you probably know one of the corona viruses is is the common cold and every year some people get a cold again because a little bit of change in the corona virus that causes colds gets by the immunity that somebody may have built up that's what we're trying to figure out with this virus is how many strains how much is it mutating how is it causing antibodies are those antibodies still good against the different strains so there's a lot about that i probably should not have said anything about the politics i i don't mean it in a party kind of politics or even in a  political sense but that that people are politicking all the time for being included on the exempt list instead of being included on the the list that's being closed and so taking that into consideration does make changes one of the most obvious was when the city of denver first put out their list they had excluded liquor stores and marijuana dispensaries and then there was a huge rush on these stores before the order went into place this raised two concerns one was a public health concern and one was more of the the general  cs i guess of what's going on but the concern of two things number one the exposure of people in long lines and then also the the rising concern about what are we going to do in our hospitals if people who may be addicted to alcohol or addicted to marijuana begin to have symptoms of being away from the drugs and more problems so that was one of the we made and there have been more minor changes various variously as we look at how do we ensure that we keep that separation of space and how does that impact some of the essential businesses that we have on the list on that we the length of time that we we have known about the we have known about the virus since since novemberdecember era in in china we think that probably it was circulating in china several months at least before that either without being identified or because the government did not want to let the world know about it there are still issues around that so as far as the virus itself it has appeared only in the last five or six months the different strains though continue to change and so each of those different strains we have known about for a different length of time but as for the virus itself we didn't know anything okay i have dana rainey and then  david can you hear me yes okay oh i'm sorry thank you thank you so much for your time doctor johnson i really appreciate you being here and providing this update um i i don't know if you' if you have this information but i was wondering about if you have any information about the specifics in lakewood in terms of how are the capacity at our hospitals right now how is there the status of how much ppe they have and the equipment that they need and and that kind of thing i know we get updates about statewide needs but i was wondering if you have any information about how our lakewood hospitals are doing i don't have a specific patient count right now nor do i have a count for how many kovat nineteen cases they have in the hospital here in lakewood i do know that the emergency rooms are being overwhelmed with people with symptoms and that all of the hospitals in colorado particularly in the metro area are not equipped with all of the ppe that they feel they need  and that ventilators are becoming in short supply in certain areas mainly here in the metro region i don't know specifically about the hospital in lakewood what their current need is for fo ventilators but i do know they continue to ask for a personal protective equipment particularly in ninety five masks and face shields we have plenty of gloves it appears but as far as the the gowns and the masks and the face shields those are all in short supply particularly what is called the n mask which is the one that protects you the most from the virus we have had now three shipments from the strategic national stockpile the federal stockpile of this protective equipment and it appears that's going to be the last shipment we get from there we have a list of both hospitals as well as as skilled nursing facilities long term care facilities home health care facilities all of the kinds of facilities that are dealing with with patients who are at risk  asking for more protective personal protective equipment we are beginning to search for other possibilities where we may be able to purchase this unfortunately we are not this is not being coordinated well so we end up competing with other counties and within other states which drives up the cost of all of this and we are trying to find as much as we can where can we find this one of the problems in a time like this as you begin to find people from all over the country sending you information about how they have a special avenue into getting this protective equipment and many of those are fraudulent so again trying to figure out exactly who are the best purveyors the vendors that we can trust and how how readily are they really going to be able to get this is also an issue but in the emergency operations center here in jefferson county the office of emergency management as well as our incident command are working as hard as we can to find those much of that has gone to lutheran hospital an hospital and then we're also trying to give some to those smaller agencies that are that are searching for it but it is a major problem because not only are we looking for it every state is looking for it and every country in the world is looking for it and so it is a huge problem  need to have a little bit of understanding on something you have on your website an online form that folks can use to report could you please tell me or tell us all about how many reports you've already gotten because i don't think it's been up that long what is the penalty for someone that is violating  and basically who's following up with that and is there any way to screen if a complaint is arbitrary by another neighbor could you please hold on doctor i might have muted you one second yep go ahead okay thank you very much council member johnson for your kind words as far as the enforcement that this is a problem we are having around the state actually with each of the different county health department's trying to figure out the best way to do this our ini hope was that that most people would would be compliant and would understand the need for the stay at home and other orders that were put in place and that they would would observe them and that has been the case the majority have been doing what we have been asking and that is a huge huge help there have been some areas of confusion and that has caused some  problems in some of the areas the public golf courses have been closed but the private golf courses has stayed open we sought clarification as to whether golf courses were included in the governor's original public health order and the answer that we finally got was that golf courses can stay open as long as the club houses are closed they are not supposed to be using golf carts at least for people who are not from the same residences and they supposed to be observing short social distancing hopefully taking out the flag so that people don't have to touch things income and there's a number of things that they're supposed to be doing this has raised a lot of concern from neighbors who see people out golfing private courses but not on public courses they think that that is not equitable and they also have concerns about this being an essential an essential business at all even though we have been encouraging exercise and  some kind of self care that hopefully this is helping to take care of but those are the kinds of things that we've had to try to deal with is is people reporting those the form has not been up that long and i don't know exactly how many forms have been filled out but i know we've had before the forms we've had over a hundred and fifty of one hundred and fifty calls of people suspicious or concerned about what their neighbors were doing to some degree we also rely on that that people will help either talk to their neighbors or let us know about their neighbors or other businesses or whatever that they feel may be not keeping in line with the order we then are lining up our inspectors our environmental health inspectors and training some of the businesses the building inspectors in the county to go out and initially just talk to the people make sure they understand what the orders are and to try to get them to voluntarily comply if it is a imminent public health threat or if there is real recalcitrants then we are turning to law enforcement both at the sheriff's level and at the municipality level to help us enforce that and there are both monetary fines that can be given as well as jail time we hope we never have to do that but a person can be fined monetarily for breaking the public health order and at this time we have not yet had to officially do any of those but it could happen i'm not sure i answered all your questions councilmember but i think that was sort of the gist of what you were asking positive plasma for antibodies when will there be some kind of site that people can go to donate plasma is there any  i do not know of any sites right now it would basically be you would go to a blood donation site and they would take your blood and then they they basically put it through the separation and get the plasma out of it i do not know of any hospitals in colorado yet who are experimenting with this or who are using it as treatment that's just my own lack of knowledge there may be some that are doing that but basically you would go to a blood donation site donate your blood but again it would only be if you have been certainly positive and then have recovered from the disease that we would be looking for that kind of plasma as far as the the city and what you can do to help i would begin by thanking all of the the municipalities in jefferson county and the law enforcement agencies in all of the municipalities as well as the elected officials who have been very interested and very helpful as we have been working through this this crisis i have been trying to keep them updated as to what's going on and right now i think the biggest help is for us to be working with with your law enforcement as we may need to have that we have not yet gotten to the point where we may need to talk about some of the maybe perhaps building inspectors and things like that at the municipal level but we will be in constant touch with with the the mayor and the city manager as as things progressed to see if anything like that needs to be done but i would say that so far all of the cities have been very cooperative and very helpful as we have have tried to deal with this thank you and then one follow up question am i unmuted i can hear you okay okay one follow up question at this there has been a small study out of china with about seven patients i believe and the the plasma was used five of them improved so it's a very very small study so what is being done now is at research centers around the world more study is being done to see if this will be something that is as valuable as i think i mentioned it would only be used on those cases that are the the most critical cases it would not be used on the average person that had the disease but only on those who nothing else has helped because there are as you know as a nurse there are some complications anytime you do something like this and you would not want to put anyone at more risk so i do not know where all of the research is being done i do not know of any of the hospitals in colorado that are using that modality at this point yet thank you  you doctor for joining us tonight can you hear me okay yes i can thank you hey i'll keep it brief i was going to ask exactly what councillor johnson asked about what cities can do right now so i appreciate your response on that one other thing i was thinking about i saw a news report where it was actually a kid that was going around to all the hotels and gathering up having them donate things that you necessarily think of at the peak of the shower caps other gowns other things like that has the county given any thoughts you or they probably have or maybe they haven't i'm reaching out out anything out a notice to all the hotels whether still operating or not that that is something that you guys could use and if not ana county level is that an example of something that we can do reaching out to our local folks and seeing if they have things like shower caps that we could give yes th thank you councilman both the governor and at the local level we have groups that are looking at innovative ways of trying to find personal protective equipment and other modalities that might be helpful i have not heard of this  and i will will send this on to our incident command team to think about we have been doing some rather out of the box kind of thinking though looking at what other kinds of businesses may be using masks whether those are woodworking shops or perhaps cleaning shops those kinds of things that or even hair salons and those kinds of things that may be using masks and would they have the ability to donate some of those reaching out to dental offices and and medical offices that may not be providing critical services right now so that that is is is very important and i will certainly add this to our list of things that that could be added and yes that's something that cities could be reaching out and looking for working with their businesses and perhaps those that are closed or those that may have materials or other things that could be used council woman johnson and scaling councilman skilling was about effective measures i guess my question is more aligned with do we have some sort of uniform recommendations that way you know arvada is not recommendations that might be helpful for all the cities to sort of help get on the same page or help make recommendations to companies like walmart or safeway for you know keeping only a certain amount of people in the stores at a time or that sort of thing we do have some common recommendations and in common guidelines that we are sending out to to all of the municipalities and the law enforcement agencies however each individual municipality and government group can look at the way they are doing things and do them a little bit differently some cities are closing their parks some are leaving them open some are closing the bathrooms in the park some are leaving them open a part of that has to do with the the manpower ability that each of the the governmental entities may have available and so there are differences from place to place and from county to county but as i mentioned earlier we have tried our best at least as local public health directors in the denver metro region to be as as uniform as possible and to send out the same kind of  information and recommendations to both the parks and law enforcement and businesses as much as possible denver as you probably know it does have a bit of a home  rule attitude that they are different and occasionally they are doing things a little different although they did adopt the governor's stay at home order even though the mayor had a different one originally but again they are a beedi being a little bit more aggressive in enforcement than some of the rest of the other counties and so there are differences across the area that that you can pick out but we are trying to be as uniform as possible mainly to cut down claims of discrimination or inequity or to decrease the confusion that the public has as to what you can do and what you can't do thank you i appreciate that and i guess my last question would just be is there a good channel then be divided out to or the planning or logistics or surveillance or epi teams to review those and that would be one way that information could be sent into our incident command emergency operations center easily great thank you thank you so doctor i have a couple things that you see i have my mask here what are your what are your best recommendations for when people should be utilizing these whenever they're out in public whenever they're interacting with somebody outside their household that's one secondly we've also heard that there could be a second wave of this coming through potentially before there's a vaccine and if there's any truth to that and then sharon vinson councillor vinson brought up a good point today and i'm gonna bring it to the food council tomorrow some people don't have access to these masks period and you kind of have a have or have not some folks might have resources that allow them to either take them or have things and so a more robust i guess effort to get you know she had mentioned folks at the bus stop or people who may be you know getting food assistance to maybe include some of these homemade masks that could help them as well okay let me let me try to address each of those if i can remember them mayor thank you as far as where masks should be worn anytime you're in public and you may be exposed to the breathing or working in an office where there were other people close or i were walking through like a clinic or where other workers were or if i was working in like a clerk and recorders office where there were people coming to the front desk those kinds of things absolutely i would wear a mask when i am out walking if i am clearly away from anybody else i would not wear a mask if i was walking in a place where there were a lot of other hikers or bikers or whatever i would wear a mask  both as a role model and for safety i would be doing that so i do not wear it when i'm driving in my car when i get to the office i go straight into my office so i don't but i'm going through a place where there were other people i would put a mask on you don't want to be taking off and on a mask frequently either because that again increases the risk that you may have something on your hands and you may touch your face and the most vulnerable spots in your body are your eyes your mouth and your nose so so again when people go to the hospitals they usually are given one mask now that workers and are asked to keep it on all day long not to take it off and not to be taking it on and off because of that kind of risk as far as the second way i have not heard of a second wave as far as as a second wave of the virus or a change in the virus so much as a second wave that may come if we if we let up on the public health order restrictions too quickly historically back in one thousand nine hundred and eighteen it's interesting to look at three different  cities philadelphia saint louis and denver philadelphia basically took a very lazy fair approach continue to have parades and groups and things like that saint louis was very strict and locked down with a stay at home order very quickly denver took a little while but then got into a strict stay at home order philadelphia had very high rates of influenza saint louis had very low rates of influenza denver had low rates but then they let off the restrictions much sooner than saint louis did and they had another wave of infections that's what we're trying to prevent is that second wave and so right now after we've sort of gotten a lot of this in place a lot of the things we're looking at is okay how do we begin to let these restrictions up how do we into open businesses again what kinds of things have learned that may continue to keep social distancing too much degree in place even though businesses can open up that's that's what we're looking at to try to make sure we don't have that second wave as far as the the masks materials again there are websites both at the cdc and the colorado state health department i believe you can even link there on our website as to what materials can be used for masks essentially you can use almost anything that helps to cover your mouth and your nose you probably saw that just putting on a bandana also cuts down by almost fifty percent your exposure to anything that you may you may be exposed to in a in a population or in a room there are some things that are much more efficacious it was interesting to see that vacuum cleaner bags are very close to actually a surgical mask as far as the their efficacy but they also are very difficult to breathe through and so trying to find the perfect material actually it turned out to be something like a cotton t shirt was probably one that helped to to keep the virus out and also was fairly easy to breathe through and that most people have available at home  and there are i'm blanking on the word that you use for a for cutting it out and how to make it but there are those online that you can find out how to make it if you want to but just tying it around your head and face when you're out in the public will help to keep down your exposure thank you thank you be getting extended out and you know the schools just shut down for the year that sort of thing realistically what are we looking at in terms of stay at home orders being in place and for how long and and i just wonder at what point do we weigh you know what other health effects go into long haul i noticed today i had line about the conventions about the governor said he got two thousand sides at the convention center which which i think kind of is a an indication that we're thinking that were not through the worst of this but i don't know how long we're projecting the worst to be and then and then  you know are there i think you've answered some of this some of the things that we can make in terms of personal protective gear i'm just wondering at the local level are there things that that maybe people could help with people who are more at risk so should there is there a way we can compete on that level with other counties for for personal protective equipment and so forth  and then just a concern on focusing attention on enforcement of people not complying versus just full on treating people and  trying to take care of the issue at hand do we really have the manpower for enforcement or do we need to just depend on people most people trying to do their best um thank you think thank you very much you you've covered a lot of ground there i will try to address this as well as i can some of the issues that you that you raised beginning with the um how long do we think this  a lot of modeling is being done around that and as you know models no model is perfect but some models are helpful and what we're trying to do is find the models that seem to be the most helpful based on the information that we have mainly from from other countries but also washington state san francisco and new york some of the areas that have been hardest hit what modeling and experiences can we learn from them as far as how long does a a shutdown need to need to be in place it's been a bit confusing because we we have had continued or extensions of the shutdown and we will i am guessing and now i'm speaking more as without the scientific data but more as a as just guessing based on what we've seen i am guessing that the extension that was just put in place today by the governor to i believe the rd or whatever it was that he said we'll probably be extended again i know the federal government has been talking about april thirty as we look at what's going on in the in the cases that we have right now we believe that this week and next week possibly the week after are going to be the most overwhelming as far as new cases this is based again on that incubation period being two weeks and looking back as to the exposure and what was happening two weeks ago we believe that we're going to be seeing a wave of cases this week next week and possibly into the into the third week or two weeks after this week we are beginning to see in colorado a a drop off in the number of new cases it's still going up but it's not going up as exponentially as it was which is a good sign we hope that that  continues so that we will continue to see more cases but it will not be that exponential rise in cases and that's the beginning of flattening the curve as you've heard trying to get it to the point where it then begins to come down again and then as i mentioned earlier make sure we don't take things off too quick so that as it comes down it doesn't go back up again i cannot tell you exactly how long it's going to be we worked with the school superintendent and the superintendent in the denver metro region and based on our modeling and also the fact that even if we begin to start taking off restrictions places where large amounts of people congregate will probably be the last places that we take those restrictions off and so schools and possibly even churches and things like that may be the last to have those restrictions raised because so many people come together from so many different places and get so close together so that was one one of the reasons i think the schools went ahead and decided that they would not be opening up for the rest of the year for the rest of this semester anyway and and why we are thinking that perhaps this is going to be extended a bit at least into late late april maybe early may before we begin to see some of the draw some of the models that again like i said they're not perfect but some of them might be helpful the one we've looked at here in jefferson county makes us think that we may see the peek in new cases somewhere between april seventeen and twenty three and then things will begin to level off again that means that there will still be new cases coming in after that but hopefully it'll begin to start slowing down at that point as far as a convention center what we are looking at is two things one is where do we put people that have hospitalized who are now beginning to convalesce beginning to feel better but still are not able to go home or do not have a home to which to go and where can they go and so places like around the country people are looking at hotels and some long term care presides convention sites like we are looking at both for those that are convalescing as well as trying to be ahead of the curve in figuring out okay are we going to need to perhaps have some places where we need to be putting kovat nineteen patients because we're overwhelming the system as you may have heard i believe it's the javits center in new york that would originally the government the federal government said it could not be used for kovat nineteen patients now they're beginning to say they can because the hospitals are being overwhelmed and they need a place to put them so both of those kinds of patients may need a place to go and the convention center is one of the the largest areas in this region where we may be able to do that and still have some sort of separation between those who are ill and those who are convalescing as far as lobbying  absolutely working together with the other counties and with our legislators from the denver metro region is something that we are already doing working with our board of commissioners and working with with other elected officials to try to to make sure that we are getting both the funding that needs to come to jefferson county and any of the protective equipment that needs to come to jefferson county that is certainly something that is is being done it is unfortunate that where we're beginning to compete with each other because that's just going to drive up the cost and it's going to make it very difficult for particularly smaller areas that that are going to also need to get some protective equipment but getting getting a unified lobbying effort would certainly be a helpful thing as far as dealing with the elderly that's that's a very touchy subject being somebody who is now elderly it's especially touchy for me but as you may have heard the the governor's expert epidemic emergency response committee came out yesterday with what are called  crisis standards of care looking at how should triage be done what are the priorities that should be looked at how do you determine who should get whatever is available first  that actually put a number they said there were a number of things that should not be looked at such as as race and ethnicity and sexual orientation and gender and all of those kinds of things but age is one that will be looked at and again it appears that if we get to the point where hospitals are having to make these these crisis standard of care orders and putting them in place that it will be looked at what are the odds that you will survive this what are the chances you would be able to come out of this and and continue a productive life and at that point because of the way this this particular virus is working resources will go to the younger before they go to the elderly in some cases i'm not sure if i touched on everything there that you had councilmember but i tried if there's something else please let me know doctor you incredible job so thank you very much  oh thank you doctor johnson i realized i i thought of something afterwards i realized it's based a lot on an individual basis particularly if somebody is on a ventilator but do you have a feel for what the lee that the illnesses and when somebody has had the illness when they are no longer contagious one in that that the course of the natural course of the disease seems to be different depending on a number of indicators but one thing is that a lot of people feel miserable then they start to feel better and then they just crash they get very very sick and then they start to get better and then they either die or they continue to get better and these just sort of up and down in the symptomology the symptomatology and the the feeling of how well somebody is doing has been a real conundrum to deal with what we're finding is that those who do need to be hospitalized quite often are in the hospital for a week to ten days before they are put on a ventilator and then they can be on a ventilator for for quite a period of time i believe the average though is is about twenty days length of stay in a hospitalization plus or minus five days but my son in law who is a respiratory therapist is saying that they have people on ventilators now for much longer than they are used to because people just that the inflammation in the in the lungs is so severe that they just can't d intubate them get them off the the intubation with the in but with the ventilator and so it it's hard to guess but it's it's a long length of stay and quite often it starts out not terribly bad and then gets bad and then they're on the ventilator for quite a while that does remind me of something and i'm sorry i didn't catch the name of the council member before you though that i i probably should address and that is we are very cognizant of the fact that a stay at home order is not an innocuous thing that it increases domestic violence it increases child abuse and it increases problems related to poverty that people who are out of jobs have a higher risk of infections and diseases and other things then somebody who is not out of a job and so when when we do something like this that is devastating to the economy and that puts people and in confined spaces with other people that that it can lead to crime and can lead to increased abuse and it can lead to other problems related to things like poverty based on the economy so so we want to get off of this as quickly as we can without leading into that second that second wave of disease that was hawaii and the the way we're talking about this is almost how do we shock the system as quickly as possible so that we decrease the number of deaths that we have in the long term but also that we can get off of this as soon as possible by hopefully stopping the spread of the disease doctor johnson i do have one follow up question from my last one it's my understanding that about fifty percent of the folks that are put on event do not before putting somebody on to a ventilator particularly in the areas where ventilators are already short in some places around the state it is not yet to the point where they are utilizing all of them insulators but absolutely that is one of the things that goes into the the formula for triage is like i think i mentioned earlier what are the chances that this patient is going to survive even if we put them on into later and if it is determined that that the chances are very low for one patient but high for another the second patient will get the ventilator so you're absolutely correct so doctor one thing that i've heard especially at west metro fire is that you know when you alluded to it earlier when when you have been exposed and this very well can be the case for our police officers as well that you have to go into the  quarantine you know mode for an extended period of time and we talked about the lack of tests one but also getting the results back and how do we speed up the results coming back so  whether they have it or not and can get back to work that's that's an excellent question mayor and that's one that we have been looking at i actually just sent an e mail  to copy chief lombardi on it about the the issues around testing and how long it's taking to get those test results back the the whole arena of testing has probably been the most frustrating  part of this whole response for a number of reasons and i don't want to get into into all of the decisions that were made that may have been based on politics but what has happened was originally all of the tests had to be sent to the cdc they were the only ones that had the reagent then reagent was sent out to the state laboratories around the country and the state laboratories were doing the tests but they had to be confirmed by sending them to the cdc which again adds time then they determined that the states were were doing them adequately and they did not have to get the confirmation by sending them to the cdc and so the state labs were doing all of the tests our state labs are excellent at what they do but they are not as facile as hospital labs and clinical private clinical labs in dealing with things like electronic health records and and linking patients to those records and so they took a lot more time than say a hospital laboratory would and getting the results back we are now and i a knock on wood that this is true but we are hoping that we're seeing a light at the end of the tunnel we have many more tests available now both at the state laboratory and we have more sites that are doing the testing a number of the the hospitals now the hospital laboratories have the platforms on which they can do these tests and they have a larger number of tests they can do each day we also have the the private laboratories the that are  work in getting the body these tests and getting the results back and we are beginning to see new kinds of tests which are a quicker so that instead of having to send them to a laboratory you can actually get a report right in your clinic in your office in ten minutes in some cases forty five minutes and others and so those now are beginning to hit the market as they begin to get more more frequently in the market we're going to be able to do those tests quicker they're also all of the testing up to this point essentially has been done looking for those viral particles and now they're beginning to get some tests last week i think last thursday the fda approved the first sera serology tests which now is looking for antibodies and so hopefully that company will be able to get those out and that very quickly can show if you have antibodies to this so that if somebody who is a first  responder can show very quickly that they do not have the viral particles or that they have antibodies to this that they have already gone through are supposedly hopefully immune we still don't know how long that immunity will last but at least initially for a period of time they'll be immune they can get right back into the into the workplace so absolutely this has been frustrating absolutely this has been a there are terrible  testing experience up to this point but we're beginning i believe to turn the corner and we should be able to see those those results coming back quicker again it'll depend on which lab you know if you get a test and it's sent to the state health lab that w probably take longer than if it's sent to questor lab core it but that variation should be getting shorter and we should be getting more uniform quick tests out there thank you recover have positive plasma for that and then contracted all over again with another stra yes unfortunately and and i only know of sporadic individual case reports from china where they did have people who had had contracted the disease had recovered from the disease and then within a week or two came down with it again and there their belief was it was a different strain so yes theoretically that can happen hopefully and this this sort of ties in with what our experience with influenza is hopefully if you have had one strain and you have antibodies to that strain your illness the second time will be not as severe and your convalescent period will not be as long because of some cross reaction between the antibodies you have and that new strain it's not it's not i mentioned earlier an influenza every now and then we have because the virus had changed so much what we're hoping is it's more like the drift that we see every year where it changes a little bit but if you've been immune or you've had these you've had you've been exposed before you have some reaction to it and you don't get as sick that's what we're hoping happens but it's too early for me to say on all eight strains whether there have been any shifts to such a degree that it actually has absolutely no immunity as i mentioned somewhere along the line here also we don't know how long that immunity lasts it appears that it will not be lifelong immunity but it also appears that it should get you through the season anyway and hopefully that maybe even give you some immunity the next  and make sure that we come through this soon and with the least amount of health impacts as possible so thank you doctor johnson you're most welcome and thank you thank you mayor paul for all of the support that you have always given to us i also want to thank your city manager and the staff they have been very supportive and it is very helpful to us so thank you okay well get home a good evening and try to relax a little bit tonight thank you thank you okay so as we continue as i mentioned we we did remove item four which was the metro district presentation and that will move forward to a different day when there can be more public engagement prior to this tonight we had what we call a workshop which we have from time to time and that was to go over our council kind of goals for two thousand and twenty which were set at our at our planning retreat which was  nineteen so pre this whole time that we're in and an opportunity we didn't have that live but we'll make sure that that is posted with notes as well as with a recording of what was discussed and just to refresh the community the the goals that came out of the council planning retreat were long range funding strategy economic strategy homelessness affordable housing sustainability and transportation safety it was discussed we did a check in some of those are still still prudent to where we're at and things that are going to be ongoing however we've shifted to really a fall cove it nineteen response mode and  what that discussion looked like was what is what is the city's role as we proceed what should we be doing and there were four things that fell into play as to what we're going to look at moving forward temporarily and again some of those goals we mentioned you're still going to continue to be worked on and in play but the main focus is gonna be cove at nineteen it's going to look at lobbying you've heard a little bit about what we can do as a body to better work with our other elected officials to bring the resources we need whether that's medical health related as well as dollars the cares act distributes those dollars directly to the county in our case because the county's over five hundred thousand so we'll need to be working with the other cities in the county to look at what those dollars look like so continued and enhanced lobbying effort by this city council also looking at what type of community grants could be available we have a community grant program that will established sometime ago and that deals with nonprofits and so there was consensus given no votes taken consensus and council was divided on this in that what it looks like as well as the format that we were discussing this but direction was given to staff to look at our community grant program and to look at potentially increasing that to look at a second round in that second round would engage those nonprofits that are directly focused on the cove aid response and a caveat also was mentioned that those would need to go to services or goods being provided and not necessarily the staffing used to do that so that will certainly come back to council for a public hearing or public vote and but that direction was given and then what about our business response what does that look like for seven thousand small businesses or businesses within the city of lakewood and so we certainly don't know everything and don't pretend to so we're gonna go out to those business leaders in the community to our business organizations and try to better understand what they see our role could be and that'll create further conversations down the road and then communication communication communication utilizing our channels and our enhancements as how do we get the word out for instance the action center needs regular volunteers desperately other organizations might so making sure that we're communicating effectively and trying to bring information to the masses that we can that's the outside facing the inside facing a course has to do with miss hudson and her staff and the running of the city and realizing that we're seeing a drop in our sales tax what does that look like for her operations she has implemented a hiring freeze and will continue to monitor all of these aspects in regards to our sales tax and there'll be a budget not at meeting tomorrow as well that will make sure that we get that information out to council on behalf of the chairman kevin ax and they're gonna discuss a little bit of this further tomorrow so those that was kind of a high level of that we also kind of update that at the april th meeting we'll have a full functionality of public comment in real time and so make sure that that is communicated to the public and last but not least there is a request about our agendas and what do we look at as we move forward in these next few months and the council and we're going to continue this conversation but was talking more about you know moving things that really depend on heavy public comment moving those off looking at things that are purely related to the health safety and welfare of the city and in council for this discussion and to help maybe give direction in the email that went out on friday we talked about is this critical to public safety can it be delayed and what is the impact of the delay and maybe those are measurements that miss hobson can use as we look because there is still going to be city business that needs to take place and things that need to happen so what do we what direction do we give her going forward with that when we look at updates like sustainability or other presentations do we want to go forward with those and certainly there's a discussion about executive session those are a little bit more challenging to have can what what executive sessions we would have on the agenda be delayed until we're able to meet again live and in person so with that council i would open that to you to any of your your comments as we move philosophical legislation that we've talked about that was that came out of our february session things that are on the calendar now that the do you require a lot of heavy public comment i think that those by and large aren't the pressing issues and that we need to move those to a date in the future and that right now we need to be focused on two things and that's making sure that the operation of the city goes forward unimpeded so we're tackling those things that need to be done for the the safety of the residents and then to addressing those short term priorities those four priorities that you would listed at the top getting using the meetings and the limited time that we have together as a body using that time effectively and using it to help people and not not discuss endlessly and even aimlessly about a topics that aren't dealing with the emergency that's in front of us now sharon yes i agree with that the only thing i need a piece of information on is are we okay postponing the executive sessions and pushing those out i know what they're related to now and i just want to make sure that we don't get in into any issues if we postpone those cathy may have more on their this hodson give me one quick second the floor is yours okay thank you um so as it relates to the executive sessions we really just have three that are coming up the real easy one that we can move off is scheduled for ma and that is the street like discussion that isn't necessarily time sensitive and that can be pushed to a later date that doesn't have the urgency of our current situation the other two executive sessions are our two reviews one is your city manager review here it is city manager annual review and the other one is your city attorney and no review those are dictated by your policies and procedures if you are so willing there's there's a way i'd like to recommend we go forward i also agree that as an executive session by xoom doesn't really work very well and i can speak for myself i've been working on my annual report typically i complete it submit to you you fill out an evaluation form each of you submit to the mayor and  then then we sit down and have a conversation about the report and about your the evaluations that you fill out and you give me your feedback another way to do that if you're willing is i'll submit the report it's almost complete on the mayor in conjunction with the hr director will after that he'll send the evaluation forms and we can do this without the executive session if you want to have an individual conversation with me if you want me to set up  individual conversations i can sure do that i can do too let's see yeah i can do two at once without making it a public meeting however you want to do it but we can still move the in report forward and then you fill out the evaluations what we really can't do is the the meeting where all twelve of us sit down together thank you for th also you know concerns about spending any part of our budget when we don't know what kind of dire economic straits we're going to be in going forward and so i'm hearing some attention to that as well as well as that miss hodgson came up with some ideas about voting going forward and just during our session so then we attempted to do a vote on zoom by raising our hands on zoom to give a consensus and that went awry because i was trying public input in and i appreciate that that staff is finding a way to do that especially in the light of the fact that that we have been both in the denver post and on found a way to do that so i appreciate all the efforts to try to as we're protecting public health also make constitutional rights a priority because you can't without protecting those constitutional rights and checks and balances on police powers and so we got to make sure when we come through this that we still have all the freedoms that our forefathers fought for and so anyway i think that it's great that we're we're finding ways to protect our constituents both health wrong but what do we do about the updates we had like we have a sustainability update what does councils still want to see those sorts of things or we want to put those off i mean you know those aren't technically items but to dave's point we are not this is challenging for us to meet like this just because of the format so do we want to use what what time we have together to really be making you know decisions and things like that i'm getting some yeses so jacob yeah i was just gonna say i mean i think it makes sense that we just don't have a good sense of how long this is gonna last how long we're not gonna be able to meet in a room together  makes sense for a lot of these things that aren't pressing to be pushed back as far in the year as possible or needed depending on the issue but obviously there's some of these other issues like funding which is very pressing and it's gonna be come more more pressing as i think time goes on i think that'll be pretty obvious just based on some of the economic numbers so i guess what i'm saying is things that aren't essential we should probably just be delaying as far back as we can and then pushing things out of the way that are necessary and and focusing on on the issue at hand and i think there are smart people obviously you know in the city manager's office and a mister abel i think that we need to concentrate on the health safety and welfare of our community primarily and if something comes up that we have to deal with we deal with it otherwise i think we need to concentrate on the task at hand and dealing with this pandemic that has turned things upside down thank  so just to make sure i understand it seems to be that what miss hudson kind of laid out as far as her sending out that information i think that's part of the charter we have some deadlines in there that that has to be done and it sounded like that if she sends it out and then those of us who may want to after we've done the actual kind of scoring system we could certainly reach out either in pairs like you know councillor skilling and i we could just simply reach out and say hey we just like to go over some things in in more granularity but it seems to me that's the right way it still makes sure that all that necessary information gets conveyed where we see opportunities to provide kudos and where we see opportunities where we might see improvement but if that's how we could do that then maybe it's sort since the city attorney offices is in a unique position but yet we have a hiring freeze and things going on there that maybe we sort of work them the same way so it's kind of we have to do those and i believe that the deadline for the city attorney office review is at the end of may so so certainly may need to follow the same type of a track but it has a slightly different flavor to it well yeah i just forgot to mention you know i think g is one of those issues that needs to be pushed back on the agenda and i have been hearing from constituents yeah i think that goes to dave's point you know i think we all know the the issues that we we need to have the public engagement piece into that and certainly g is one of those go for it oh am i unmuted thank you so so i took a run at what might be suitable for projects and topics that can be pushed off to a better an opportunity where we can be all in the same room at the same time having a conversation with the public i am now convinced that local government wasn't meant to be done virtually that's just a little side note it just it's it's so hard and it we have the headstart cost of living increase that i believe needs to go forward as well as the cdbg consolidated plan that that has an impact on our ability to receive funding we can continue the the small cell the g the second reading for the g and the fee associated with that i haven't run this past legal but i don't see why we want to in in as we're in the middle of this emergency now for april th the lra meeting that can be pushed off again on may th that's the city manager annual review we won't be having that by at least not in this format if you'd like may th that's a study session we have a presentation scheduled economic development comprehensive overview that that can be pushed until a time when we can all be together we can have might be if we have information on relief efforts related to related to economic development and co bid that that could be the place or that sure we can do that but this is the one that was scheduled as a result of your planning goals so this was the big broad conversation around economic development i i agree with you that somewhere in here we're going to need to replace with some kovach conversation we can push those off again on may th that's the executive session about streetlights and that discussion about we could probably stop there for now right i mean the governor the governor went to april th tonight so we can reassess unless unless you need a continued clemmy night i think you have a pretty good idea from what you explained of what you we should be clearing and if we go further than april twenty six then we should just keep moving those down the line okay so if you're comfortable with the way i looked at that and the recommendations i made we'll just go forward will it be perfect no and if there's if if you can call something out that we've made a mistake on let me know things are a little crazy guys we're all really responding to the coab ed we're not all on deck physically so there's just some complications and impediments but we'll work on this and fix the agenda again the th will stand as it is and and i agree that you should really be asking questions and look through the lens of is this a safety and health issue what's that cost and what if we don't do it what if it's delayed in those kind of things and we'll make sure to be prepared for that so we'll we'll change the schedule all the way through the executive session on may  moving that further down the line as well for the record can you just stay with those arguing so everybody knows yes so your request had to do with the blight designation and do it the modification on the blight designation and dana i think your request had to do with i don't know i want to say wheelchair i want to say wheelchair it's it's about a wheelchair accessibility i am  it's just some minor tweaking of our of our existing  so i guess i'd be inclined to leave it unless it looks like it's gonna take up a lot of time that needs to be focused on something else so my question is for mister cox you're on the phone as that take the the form of an ordinance change or a resolution and and and keep in mind the request right now as it is is for a study session so it would be to move it towards a study session which essentially we've just cleared everything so i think while you might think it's an easy one i'm not that we're hoping that the order is lifted and we'll be able to meet in person the changes that i proposed and if there is then we would go to a actual whatever we need to do to rewrite the ordinance and then first and second reading so we're still talking that a process that would take at least a couple of months it's considered a code amendment so it would be fit right but the thing that we have coming up is on the th would just be a study session in a consensus of council whether or not to go with that proposed amendment or not right that's the process will be followed to move it to a study session and i guess keep in mind though we're gonna be recreate i mean we got to recreate a lot of agendas so i mean well i guess i'm not hearing a good reason continue it guess what i'm saying well i mean i guess i would say does it have to do with what we just talked about the health safety and welfare of what's before us right now with kovat nineteen no it does not saying that that's the only thing we're gonna address for the next the foreseeable future is covin nineteen only yeah or things that besides the second reading which council on monday night can postpone further kathy's pretty much cleared the schedule except for what she's seen as things that we have to take care of  ninety i want to make sure that that's that that rules don't apply across the board and and dana's has been in the queue for a substantial amount of time as well and she's moving hers down the down the road as well paul i just wanted to kind of you know kind of piggyback on that certainly just a reminder that we have those multiple forms and one of those forms is for a legislative modification so councilor bina in my view and maybe i'm committee i'm kind of oversimplifying this but if you are if it's really just language changes or i don't see anything that would prevent you from looking at the ordinance as it is kind of determining what you would want to do to change that putting in a request for modification i certainly would still need to go through the two processes but we maybe could bypass the study session you could be while obviously we're focused on kovin certainly you could run that on a separate track and then just take it through the legislative modification if it's fairly minor obviously if it turns out that it's a wholesale rewrite then certainly i haven't looked at what you proposed at this point but just wanted to make sure that you know that there's other avenues while we're staying focused on the immediate need certainly all of us are working on other things as well as time permits so just wanted to throw that out there well we were kind of all on the same call together well what we've already done that i've already proposed the language for a study session then i guess i'm confused it says that the request was to go to a study session what would we be doing because it came in under our old kind of our own process before we got yeah before we had moved into this new ord okay got it which is certainly fine counselor be the week and we can shift that into that format it'll just be a matter of again it will still be you know it'll still be pushed out a little bit until we get back to normal business well the thing is is this this does have some priority because it it's not just i mean it's there are other things that are going to be affected by what we do here ongoing development cases and so forth so it's something that it's it's in the regular course of business it's not coded nineteen but it's been it's been on the on the radar now for some time now for you know since january and i just don't want to put it off indefinitely because i do think it has to do with the normal course of our business business for the city and in in wow i agree we want to make and nineteen top priority but we are gonna have to do some business as usual and this is one of those things yeah yeah no i certainly agree and keep in mind any anything that relates to the modification still would come to council in the form of the somebody was seeking a blight designation which you're trying to change a little bit of that language that still has to come to the body so nothing would go past his body either way without this change going into place but my question would just be if we're not addressing g what's gonna happen with regard to applications coming in and not having city resources to be able to really deal with that right now so that's a really good question nobody nobody expected of course this emergency so we really have to figure this out um and i don't know if you saw ken film ins been otherwise he's been stuck on a cruise ship which is just another yeah he was yeah so anyway ben can you take a run it answering this he's muted there i know all right can you hear me okay so based on the direction from council we are continuing to process applications under the old rules so none of the new rules  being considered or put in place but because of the pending legal action what counsel did was that yes staff continued to process applications so that's what that's what's happening i don't know i haven't talked to the planning staff at all about this in maybe three weeks or a month so i don't know how many applications we've had come in but my guess is like everyone the wireless industry is also probably in this holding pattern with kovat and and trying to protect their employees as well and and also trying to figure out what the revenue picture looks like so i i don't know i i don't i haven't heard anything that we've had a flood of applications though but if you don't address anything on the th the rules won't change we won't have new rules to govern them body i'm not proposing that this is critical or needs to be addressed on the th though well we don't we don't have it we mister abel if i recall what we actually voted to do or decided to do was to go ahead and process applications but any that were any we still had to comply with the shot clock and all sorts of other things so if we do this then this way we're just throwing up our hands and saying go ahead and do what you want for now i you know if we get built out we get built out i don't think that's that wasn't my  under mister skilling's idea of pendency i i absolutely agree with you i i think if if what ken said was that if we have the shot clock time to apply the new rules and counsel it takes action we can't retroactively lis apply rules if someone's given a permit we can't retroactively li say no you actually have to comply with these new rules under the well that that would be a question for mister feldman i mean i my recollection of that conversation if someone's granted a permit then they're granted the permit under the rules they were after the permit we can hold it as long as we can and say that hey your application came in before council adopted the rules and we plan to apply the rules that council is considering to your application but if an application in the process and has to be granted a permit i don't think we can retroactively lis apply the rules but again can can or tam if we can get him would maybe be able to speak to the legality better and i don't believe that your  your concept of this it was our intention when we voted mister abel you didn't vote for this you were the no vote on it i understand that mister mayor yeah though i think that's important though no i don't think that's important at all no because you stated that the reason why you supported it was because of this but you didn't support it so but i'm gonna read i'm gonna read this and i don't want to get us hung up on this tonight but i will read it it says all pending or previously approved applications after august th two thousand and nineteen as well as all new applications must comply with all applicable federal state and local laws including lake woods pending ordinance zero two thousand and twenty one set for second reading before the city council on april  recognizing the issues of potential modification to that ordinance discussed on february th such applications must also comply with any requirements imposed on a specific site by the national environment policy act recognizing that all applicants represent in writing that they will cut that they will comply with all state federal and local law city staff is directed to review each application and ensure that applications are compliance with applicable law including without limitation the pending ordnance so that would read to me that something does need to be on the agenda for the twenty seven to extend this both of these orders because that's what this says is the th without having our legal team to advise i think that a consensus to advise a recommendation on the th is what we should proceed with whether we have to extend both of these or just one of these or what if based on the language we need to have an additional meeting or have this on the agenda then i think that's fine however i do think that just kind of this last piece of the conversation is showing us why it's so important that we all stick to the original piece of this our night's discussion which is we are gonna focus on covi nineteen we're gonna focus on our response that's what we're gonna put our efforts into and you know i really appreciate for example councilor betta being willing to to  delay his proposal and and be the team player and i think you know this is not a topic that was on our agenda tonight i don't really want to be having a long conversation about  to put councils mind at ease or ever ever dedicated staff did email me and they said we have one application that came in that they have been holding on so we've only had one application come in since your last discussion understanding that any applications that we accepted would be held to the standard of the new ordinance that we would be dealing with and so to me that was one of the reasons i was willing to go forward with it because they would be held to that standard and i believe i read today that if there is an emergency status that a city can put a moratorium on accepting new applications and i guess i need to make sure that that is correct and i appreciate knowing that there's one there and it sounds like we're just it in a holding position for now i appreciate that and unfortunately we don't have our telecommunications attorney to be able to answer that but i think miss hudson can take this conversation we can try to get answers to this and again there's one pending so there you have it mister abel we have one application for how  springsteen well i think it helps to know that personally one application but it is a concern what effect that has the night do you think this is the health safety and welfare issue  difficult with regard to the th but i guess my my understanding of what was passed it is that everybody will be subject to the new ordinance so i just want to clarify that of that i think maybe we accomplished what we need to we don't we don't need to put a lot of energy into this at this point as we have it i the th because of our resolution as well as the extension on the ordinance we can certainly do that and i'm seeing miss hudson yeah thank you for some reason we're only getting correspondence from t through text and he did tell me that they need to look into the emergency situation and just check that out so he will do that and i also saw on the news that i think the feldman's are are on their way back to the states so remember this is april twenty seven so that hopefully that gives him them ample time to to get back home and i think he must have had the th on his calendar so we and check that too and so how about if we leave this with if you'd be so willing to direct your city attorney to look into the emergency situation and the opportunity if that's the opportunity to do a continuation and let he's listening to this conversation and he can follow up on all of this in writing to you does that sound fair and i also just when i got confirmation it's a single site on that single application only that we're spending a lot of time on budget and the impacts of this fire some budget we're also trying to push out as much information as we can to you so that you can share it with your constituents i always know that whatever information you get please feel free to push it out however and wherever you want to yeah we're just all just trying to keep going and keep the business of the city afloat here so thank you  'll start at the bottom of my screen i have dave do you have any reports no reports ramie do you have any reports no report charlie  report that any staff is doing a really good job they're working really hard long hours from everywhere across the city including their own homes i think we all owe them a thank you thank you thank you jacob yeah i just echo what councilman abel said thanks to staff for all the work that they're doing i know some of the work that's happening at home you know as many of you know i work for the city of denver and i've been working a lot of strange weird long hours trying to do some of this stuff from home as well and so i've seen some of what that looks like so i know it's not easy so thank you for all the hard work you guys are doing and i'm also just want to mention we're gonna do  our first attempt at a digital town hall board meeting on wednesday hopefully we don't get a lot of complaints we'll see hopefully some people will be able to find the link it's on our website lake wits website so hopefully we are also going to this saturday be trying a zoom meeting that went out for with our newsletter city has it posted please be patient with us it's going to be a learning experience certainly wanted to echo what other people have said staff has been absolutely amazing taking a lot of our forwarded emails that we get from constituents and responding in a real timely manner so really appreciate that appreciate the depth of the information available on the website this is a difficult time and most of all i really wanted to just speak out to the community and say thank you all for everything that you're doing for one another checking in on your friends and elderly neighbors obviously remotely and just making sure that people have a connection who might be homebound thank you for your generosity people making masks you know digging into their own supplies and donating drives just keep an eye out for everywhere that you can help your fellow citizen and we'll be here doing our part trying to connect you to that information thank you  to monday meeting where i can sit in between charlie and dana and have contact it'll be nice to get back with everybody together and i also to appreciate that not only staff stepping up to their kovat issues but the quick responses were getting on other things too that are issues within our community they're right on it and that is  are still working on trying to come up with an alternate format for a board meeting a town town hall meeting for april right now we have no place to hold it because the  philips united church has closed down for the month of april so we are looking into a some sort of a virtual type of town hall meeting i want to see how things go with work for they're there experiment in look at other options as well but we just wanted to let her know our constituents know that we certainly are haven't forgot about them or anything we have decided  kind of stand down a little bit because we know that there are so much information out there coming from the news to be you know the national level the state level our city website has an awful lot of information on the virus so we really don't have a whole lot at that i think those are the experts and so we want our constituents to know that  okay thank you um we had our first ward five virtual meeting that we put out last saturday the way we did it was we had a zoom meeting between myself councillor harrison and we had sergeant john ellis we had asked him months ago if we could have some of them his time that morning to talk about what's going on with the cat team so he was able to you know still make time for us which we really really want to thank him for that and it was incredibly informative and i just want to tell you all a couple of things that that i learned from talking to him one was you know i know all of us have been concerned about our police agents and exposure he told us that lakewood police department has full ppe and that we have some of the best actually across the nation so i feel really proud of that that our agents have what they need to stay  safe the second thing that i thought was really interesting is we asked them how nine calls are and in terms of capacity if they're seeing just an overwhelming number of calls and what he said is that because traffic accidents are down and traffic calls are down and that kind of thing that there's a decrease there and even though there's an increase in symptom related calls there's an overall decrease in nine hundred and eleven calls right now so i thought that was really interesting you might want to know and finally we also asked him what the number one thing that we can all do to help is and he said stay home if you can and not just to keep us safe but also just a reminder that we're also doing our part to keep our agents and west metro safe so we took questions by email and text message and phone call ahead of time so that we could answer them during our video it is definitely not perfect but we try to do the best we could with what we have  and we got good feedback um the the link is still available if anyone would like to see it as you're preparing for your meetings coming up so thank you and a huge thank you to our police department and all the staff stan and maybe if other councilmembers have questions you and karen can help as they plan out their meetings i just hope that we're very careful and you know i understand there's a lot of confusion right now but i think we can learn from that and going forward make sure that we let each other know future it's gonna be challenging and you heard doctor johnson talk about the peak is not going to be here for another ten plus days in his opinion right so we need to continue to work together and just realize what everybody's going through and that kindness that is all within us not only on screen but off the screen right so whether we're thanking staff here but also when we deal with staff in the day to day and really trying to understand what they're up against and i've really learned a lot and i've had to readjust what i've always thought was important in different ways somewhat meaningless now this is what's important is what's here and in the now and getting our community healthy getting us back on track i get these letters now daily this is three that came in with the last couple days those are layoff notices and in those three letters is almost five hundred layoff notices of businesses within the city those are just going to keep coming foothills foodies serves or i think around two hundred barb and dave and they were up to eight hundred people the action center doubling tripling those needs charlie was trying to help somebody who's in a motel situation and wondering what that future holds if they were to be forced on an eviction so all these things are coming to a head and the best thing that we can do is continue to work together as a team i'm really proud of this counsel that i'm proud of our staff jonathan and the communications team who's been trying to get this figured out ben you've quarterbacked a lot of this and you know i was wondering why you were wearing your mask all day aside from because we're supposed to but doctor johnson said don't take it off hats off to you ben i learned something something here today so as we move through this week and easter for some people who celebrate easter is on sunday and just really take this time to realize what's important and know that we are going to be tested we're probably going to see some failures in our system but we're gonna learn we're going to learn from that we're going to come out on top we're going to be better for it so thank you all very much and thank you for tuning in to this virtual meeting and we do look forward to when we can finally meet again and enjoy the company of one another so blessings to you all blessings to our community thank you