title little ethiopia of the pacific northwest so we thought it was a very defining title because it was like people were had had transplanted think about this they were transplanting ethiopian culture in the city of seattle ethiopians did not see themselves as african american in fact they saw themselves and for good reason african americans and ethiopians from ethiopia didn't have very much basis for cooperating community as we were collecting the interviews we had to analyze what it is that we had i mean you know i mean you don't know for example if you were to tell me your story i wouldn't know how it fit with fifty of the stories you understand when amy and eventually you get to see the similarities and you know a person like me especially a person from outside the culture you get to see the similarities and the differences and that's how you discover the different topics that you have because some people they will talk a long time about their family had to do in order to get to the united states and then really even change families after they got here because sometimes getting to the states and getting made was political you know not romantic and incident this is a patter and that's how you discover these different topics and these different patterns that you can begin to write about with some degree of security then you go through all of those interviews again and you pull the actual statements that people gave you to in fact support that pattern to tell the pattern or to tell the story in their situation whether it's about family life or about prison life or you know what i mean about their relationships or their for their failing relationships with their children because the children are becoming americanized or the american making their education fit the american system very few were able to make their education even if they came with one college degree or they came with two college degrees very few were able to to to chance to transfer their college experience into the american economy even mediately because if you were a doctor of physician you had to get recertified if you were engineer you had to get recertified if you were a lawyer you had to were learned american law you understand what i mean so it seems to me that the disappointment of many of them was their status dropped so low and so quickly because they could no longer be the kind of professionals that they were any theo p a so they lost they loss income they lost prestige they lost they had to change their identity because some were doing menial labor and sometimes that was too much for people you know so that was the most impressive thing to me is the fact that people could not transfer their status and ethiopia to the united states and only those who were willing to start all over again you know like go to an american college get the same degree get a different degree  well you know it's very difficult because the parents said they cannot control their children in the united states the way they control their children in ethiopia that they were losing their children because of the american institutions like child protective laws and so forth and the american institutions were forcing the parents to change rather than the children to change and so many of the children realized according to their stories that their parents could not control the and they began to adopt the worst parts of american culture mostly the street culture rather the college you have two kinds of models among you one is the college boy model and one is the corner boy model standing and standing on the corner you know doing whatever a few children do on the corner selling drugs drinking smoking whatever and it from the parents the parents were more likely to say their children were following the corner boy model than the college boy now part of that could be because the children are having a difficult time in school and so they were not getting the kind of tutoring and the kind of attention and the kind of acceptance in school and so the corner bar model became more satisfying to them emotionally satisfying to them and more supportive of them the parents who put their kids in private schools the ethiopian parents who put their children in private school had better success because their children were more likely to get the attention they needed to get the tutoring they're needed to get the extra help they need it and they were more likely to get exposed to a different culture the college boy culture rather than the corner boy culture the corner boy cultures  dominate the public schools even there even the children who write about their experience remember this one student he was writing about that the difference between black and white schools and so for th even the white schools led him to start smoking marijuana and everything you know so the public schools are not on the whole a very good influence for american children or for the european born children so that's the problem the problem is parents most parents ethiopian parents cannot afford to send their kids to private schools and therefore it becomes like a flip of the coin as to which culture the children are going to choose the corner boy culture or the college boy culture and i don't know the so it doesn't work and what is at this point from the people that interview dizzy and other issues that you know how to innovate a kid here in america the parents who were able to put their kids into private schools or very much more successful in controlling the value so their children the behavior of their children and their academic achievement had difficulty controlling that their children in many many ways because they first of all the children knew more about american culture than the parents so now the parents w some of the parents complain the children want to order tell me what to do because they know american culture and i don't know american culture and so the children in that sense stated they were depending on the children to do translations to take them different places so the children became leaders and the parents became the followers and yet the parents were complaining that they were losing their authority which is true just the nature of the situation is such that they were it was true the children knew about the language they knew the institutions they knew how to move around the city the buses and so forth that the parents didn't and so and that since many of the book it'll be shorter because now i know what i'm doing and i know the story's better now i went here's what i would love to do i would love to write a book on the youth the ones that you're concerned about the the corner boys and the quota boys corner girls college boys college girls how are they doing and if they're doing well how are they doing it how are they succeeding if they're doing poorly why are they not doing well the way i see big pain they want the story you know they kind of trapped between two cultures this you know they kind of thing so i'm absolutely sure that th some children and then once we get some children but some of the children they will bring introduce to us that's how it goes you know the introduced to us other children the other story to tell and then maybe after for twenty five or thirty or fifty stories we begin to see a picture you want to tell you can get to be ten people you don't really have a picture but it to you fifty pretty soon you hear the same story over and over and over and you know you have a pattern gnome that goes beyond a published not the marketing part is very difficult because i'm not i'm not a marketer so generally what happens is that the publisher markets the book you  know they create a catalogue like this a new catalog and they send this catalog all over academe the academic community and to all of those people who are interested remember in all of those different kinds of books in that site that th primarily that's how they market it what i've tried to do for example i wrote i sent a book review for that appeared in the i maybe you read it it appeared in the history news network history news network if you don't have it i'll send it to you it was the first review ever done on the book and it was a positive for you different from this one i sent it to the seattle times and asked them if they would review my book well the editor of the book the book addict or only just wrote maybe three lines in the seattle times along with a list of other bonus they mention that this book was published i was the end of it so i didn't know that she decided to try to turn this book review over to jerry large you know jerry largest economists who wrote the last book review and then he called me up and he said he would like to interview me for to do a review of this book that he was told that maybe i would be he would be interested in doing a review of it and so he came to my house which is in seward park area and he stayed for about an hour hour and a half and he was asking me like you all kinds of questions my background  academic career all these different things plus he probably googled my resume on on the internet so anyway to make a long story short he wrote this review and of course this  that yes it's ideas wrote another review and like i said ethiopia wants to do another and that's that now becomes the marketing process for me because i don't know about marketing myself and most of most authors don't market their own books you know but in this particular case this book has to be made known through these different channels of communication because this is a specialized book you know it'll never be a popular bestseller or anything like that the more exposure it gets through the ethiopian press the more exposure it gets through the african american press the the better the book is going to be known and the story is going to be you know what i'm interested in is making sure that the story is known because i don't think there's any of the story did not see themselves as african americans in fact they saw themselves and for good reason their fears the aga me is a different  their culture is different but languages differ so there was no and the same way with african americans you know we might have some of the same skin color but that's where the similarity ended and we also went to different churches and belong to different organizations if there was any or you know what i mean allies were very different and a customs and courtesies were different so  african americans and ethiopians from ethiopia didn't have very much basis for cooperating and their politics were not the same either speak going to change because a lot of ethiopian children especially those that are born here or those who came here when they were really small know feel more american than ethiopia and so and they many of them are interested in establishing relationships many not so not the majority many of them are interested in establishing relationships with african americans and vice versa and so i think that what will happen is that the ethiopian children who are raised here or born here will start to call themselves african americans very soon because they already have started  because they feel more american than anything else i mean it's just a natural progression what can they say because even some of the parents in the books i can't take my kids you know me to america exactly they they don't even know how to behave it wasn't even a question of whether that they could speak the language maybe they could maybe they couldn't but they did know the customs and courtesies to be able to operate an ethiopian ethiopian society now there are few people like the show and you know be who took their children back and maybe let them stay there for a while and so forth so they not only know the language but they they were so  those are rare children but they tell us you do that till issue direction changes occurring about you know that tells you that for direction the parents who have introduced their children great for their careers if like you know one of the students i interviewed i told you i won't mention her name her father was a big you know head of a big corporation in the ok and she got two law degrees in the united states and then she was over there practicing law for a while or maybe she's back here i don't know but she apparently is able to move back and forth you see so if you would like to  they're still they're still emotional i just look at the internet they're still arguments going back and for among ethiopians sometimes of the same ethnic group they could be mode but they one group of them supports the government back in ethiopia now and another group does it and this same you know ethnic group except that their politics are different so a lot of burma don't want to be know want to be publicly identified in one care or the other and i can understand their i mean you know they have they have to live they have to get on with their lives and with their careers and it takes so much energy to be in the it and others who've made this possible and even though it's a very hard work it takes a long time to do this kind of work but now i can do it easier now in a shorter t rm so at least today i'm excited about the possibility of doing a book on the children because we will get the children's perspective about their parents too not just about their lives but what is that relationship and if it's good what makes it good and if it's not good what makes it not good you know what i'm saying it's like the continuation of this story here so i think it's important facilitate that possibility morning too to you know develop a new new interview schedule the interview schedule that  that we used is very very long for all the good reasons and it's open ended it's not yes no yes there are those kind of questions it's open ended so it will take some time maybe of even talking with you and so if you have me on the program with the youth i'll get an idea of what they're thinking what their problems are what their goals are going forward  you know what i mean and that will help me develop the interview schedule to get into the serious interviews one question how can we just discover or how do they book or linked in or any of those things because to me that's not serious discussion is serious discussion would be if somebody e mailed me a question or something ok you dot washington the whole word washington dot edu that's my university email address that's my professional email address j w scott