little seen with my co host chris krantz and this is open source tonight we have a very special program a very emotional program that we're going to be delivering to you and talking about involves involves courage acts of heroism and it involves things that happened seventy years ago in poland and we're going to be talking about them and making a oral history recording of this so that future generations can understand what happened many many years ago but first of all back to introduce the fact that we have two remarkable guests on our show tonight first of all we have rosa lipschitz here and also and they both will be talking about the roles of their roles and their grandparents roles and how they were able to reconnect after so many years young is here from central jersey rose lives in named rose shit and her mother and siblings were on a force forty two rows reminds me they're going to have set everything straight lower here today they were on a four star walk from the r neighborhoods to a train and likely on to a concentration camp they face or death rose's mother pushed her from the path urging her to run back to their home and relatives  mother's bravery saved rose that day but her escape was not easy she couldn't stay in low blood or poland they had to get out and her route to safety would take her carry her through several countries and continents so today our first guest is that young girl rose lipschitz who now lives in toronto canada rose is one of the rapidly dwindling number of heroic people who survived the holocaust of world war two and during which millions were murdered rose needed help to escape but who and how could help her so our second guest is a longtime resident here in new jersey she is the granddaughter of the you point the family who also lived in the loop in poland area at that time her grandparents were neighbors and friends of rose and her family as it developed they also became lifesavers of rose and her and you need this grandparents at great risk to themselves and their children conceived a bold and clever plan to get rose and her aunt out of poland you'll hear the remarkable details of their stories and how they and their families met for the first time after seventy five years of separation rose tell us your story should i stack the beginning peaceful actually because it was some very small town and the germans didn't really come all the time we had worked on the farms to pick beads should be in the fields that's the way the way to be a at the end of distance there must have been about three thousand people there children women they were carrying their packages on their beds and my mother looked at me and said by the way that left me a legacy that they believe in the human race to my shocking surprise langrune mother was there and supposedly they were looking for me how much can faith play a game and i don't know that's the day air r away and that's the day i walked in there and that's that they were looking for the because somebody and my youngest sister of my mother was a lunatic telling and she was free because she was somebody spla baking bread for the germans and a polish woman proctoring to go into germany as a polish laborer she says here you haven't got the chance you're going to die so why don't you try and go to germany so she was thinking her sisters couldn't go with her and i was the eldest of the grandchildren so she figured she was gonna take me with it and that's the right is to stand the stuff your boys skin is five i guess nobody read sense and from there we went to germany but the point of his is the poles recognised and it was a very difficult time for us to pretend to be somebody managing was a sort of coup that we have polish parents and shit in poland so we're not jewish and that sort of saved us through the years because we lived there for three we worked in effect  which was making gropes ships that's the you know in nina these are your grandparents and they are not with us anymore so you're here to sort of channel from your family's recollections and perspectives how they may have viewed what was going on for rose and why they stepped in in such a heroic manner well ever since i  my grandparents stories of saving jewish girls for many years we wondered whatever happened to some of these curves also in one nine hundred seventy s i remember my grandparents were receiving care packages from someone initially from easter l and then from the us and after my grandparents died somehow this story of the woman who supposedly was the woman who was sending the packages who was known in the family as somehow this story was covered but that's and we didn't know whatever happened to her so many years i started searching if i can find any trace of anybody who went through all my grandparents house and obviously having little information to work with april fifteen twenty eighteen just a few months ago my sister called me penning me that she found out i didn't name of the boy ski so there was no doubt in our mind that the woman is actually talking about our grandparents though i was very excited about learning more about prose and i was very excited to get this story of her survival not on not only what i knew about but also to get her side of the story i started searching the internet and i found some links to our to documents that high school students in toronto collected as part of the whole  then we started looking my husband and i were looking through the internet and we came across a hash tag on facebook and the information on facebook said here is a link to my amazing  excited then turn around talking to morning i heard a ping on my so phone i jumped out i picked my cell phone and i saw the information i just poor word to the your contact information to my grandmother i couldn't have been and hacked or the next morning yes i was actually driving to work and my husband who was working from home that day called me and he said i just talked to rosa lipschitz i had to stop the car because i couldn't believe what was happening and yes i couldn't get to my office and i couldn't wait to close the door and i called rose and we talked from god hour and a half yes and through the third degree yes she did yes she did you know you're doing and it was quite amusing because i felt that rose was asking me a very pointed question moving for me to find a girl who i heard from my grandparents all about i grew up on these stories and these stories i heard not only from my grandparents but also from my mother and her years we we want it yes to meet somebody and here we are i felt a say so what was very interesting to me when rose at some point share it with me that she wishes receiving our nice clothes which was very big thing of that time in the communist poland our and rose told me that these packages were not for me that they were of this that for saved him so i am not surprised about that so this is very much a lesson for all of us whatever decade we live in that  saw i think the feeling of my mother telling me those words sort of mean me stronger that someone out there there would be someone there if she could believe in the face of th and picked up a couple and a child and crap at the mall premises that we lived in and they stayed with us until we left until we were from out and they actually forward us i think they