deciding where he is he understands the nuclear process and he's also a person from the country of iran originally and we're here to talk about atomic energy and also some of the roots of energy systems and we're talking here with him and no cause i welcome very very much to conversations we've got a chance for take a couple hours now to let the people be aware of iran and also nuclear energy and also the implications of it to the contemporary world situation so welcome to manhattan neighborhood network and to manhattan thank you very much for the ok it's pride we're talking with that so tell me why don't we start with you ok you're from iran and you're also a nuclear i don't know if you're a scientist you're a nuclear engineer let's talk about that your own background where you were born and raised let's start with you and based i n your own personal history and then we're going to talk about nuclear energy as a factor in the human condition and the implications of it and we've got two hours we can talk on this subject so tell us where you were born and raised in rights a very very interesting take on things a very important take you have i think is if we get down to it in a sense it's one of the most important questions as confronting the whole of humanity now because it's the spear point of much of the thinking you know politically and otherwise and the story is incredibly interesting and relevant to the contemporary moment but i wonder if we could you were born in iran and you were raised there and how could you would not have pursued that in iran or you came to the united states on your own volition to get the education or could you fill in a little bit of your early life experience  which every day we have one and a half hours of english to learn so i had that background the foundation of the english when i came to united states a characteristic of education in iran that english is a tool of communication so you understood you understand well let me just say something i asked about your background where the intellectual would be family setting one of an intellectual bent sure i chose mathematics i see and with the family setting was encouraging of you to move in that direction with the family setting one of intellectual curiosity and encouragement that way risk it was enjoyable for me to learn good for you i think that's good i'm sorry i making a you're laughing at is that but i would assume so because you would add to have had a very interest and a lot of that kind of thing to become so interested in and so knowledgeable of something nuclear engineer that's a very very interesting take on the human condition because that realm of human activity and thought is very much part of the geo political and the organizational structure of the planet it seems to me sure yeah were you interested in geopolitics there none at the time that day was studying but after that i became more and some people say we're live in information overload the amount of information available to imagine being ten thousand years ago there wasn't very much interesting knowledge such as there is now of the whole worth itself in all the cultures and all the questions of science and technology in the universe available to you as you sat on a riverbank two thousand years ago there wasn't a heck of a lot to talk about except the deer just gave down to drinkers out of the fact is at that time  now or do you think but i don't and what about pre human we've been here the planet and everything were you interested in the ancient developments or the structure of the universe there was things going on in the universe before there was an earth there were all kinds of things going on this planet before there was anything like what was to become homo sapiens and so forth and i'm wondering if you take interest in are discussing good and exploring good schools and universities this course is studies course universities i'm still in think tank groups all we are at the most about each era of human existence we were in when now right right now you think we're barbaric if you want to take how to use it very interesting very interesting from somebody who is a nuclear scientist interested in theorems and mathematics and all of that sort of thing but it's got a brick grounding in ethics and one of the trouble i can see now we're going to become good friends in the time ahead and one of the problems is if i may you're too damned interesting because we could talk to you for about sixteen hours on all sorts of subjects but we're supposed to be talking about nuclear energy and you are and nuclear energy engineer a new clear understanding of the nuclear process was something that if i'm thinking it's relatively recent did we understand that there was a nuclear reaction and that there was the the nuclear force was something that was part of the human condition and you parent they are interested in that and maybe we can get around to when do we come to understand the nuclear energy  real scientific lee in significant terms with which we address it today when and where and where do we st become aware of it out of history and the late th centuries and early t understood wind power you understood sun power and also but nuclear energy as a new thing in terms of the human condition is relatively recent interest are not from century twenty century yeah unknown known to the world either in actual terms was a part of the periodic table where did it fit into the other to be put in charge of that and that was in the context of what were to become the nd world war and a fight against fascism c and so forth that's true the st time that this incredible force was a bit prior had we had the good turban ned we had that sort of thing earlier ye how long has it been since we've known devolved the power of fire we've known about the power of fire to change our environmental condition and other kinds of sources of energy they have importance we've known about the sun giving birth to agriculture and so forth we've had that but the atomic power and then we haven't quite got yet now to the thermonuclear problems of fusion and to the super weapons of the hydrogen era all of which happened just did a last nd of human existence on this planet and it's i'm a new source of energy that has to be well understood by everyone in a way perhaps of something really very very new and very very crucial for the development and future development of almost of of human society no you have to learn it and more importantly you have to use it wisely have to of years and so forth so there has been a big what i'm trying to say is there's a quantitative a qualitative new change in the human dynamic that is come into the modern experience through the energy that becomes available to the human society it's not something like another another one hundred years of slow development that at the history of the world up until just our time i wonder  and the our oil and so forth that we've been doing in the past our wind energy to drive a sailing ship across the ocean one of them is the nuclear energy which is newly available to us and react we still tend to see it as something that's very very dangerous and associated with death and restructuring and so forth and we ought to have a new look at that as a world society i would suggest and i suspect you do as well  be a counted move that would be indeed in fact if i may if i may interject there are studies and i throw your particularly the thermonuclear dihydrogen tomic buying was one thing the hydrogen is another order of magnitude and there are studies that measure the collective capability of the homo sapiens species one nation against the other with their weapon systems have become if there were to be unleash the way the universe is set up we come to understand the universe in real terms now material terms and intellectually understanding how it came to be what is the course of the whole tenure of our violent trying to sound good but i don't think neighbors or the poor people who don't have the food to eat was that was very interesting do you think the course of the human society i do not think that it was one did or is picnic the course of the human existence  oppression of it when people were wandering around in the distant past i think it was a very very difficult situation that they found themselves finding enough carrion that they could eat or food that they could happen to come upon as they were wandering and gathering i don't think it was a very what we would call a satisfactory lifestyle that was been the keris of human remanded he up through history yes but the fact put it in quotes a have like way of existence for a human being the percentage of the people that are able to be what would be considered i have in modern terms has been increasing over time and that there's a that that is something and is it possible ever to where we could have a world where everybody could be a have in the sense of having control over their own life and not be subject to being a serf on a feudal estate which is the remnants of what the history has been with people in charge in the castle and the peasants in the field wallowing around in the mud of poverty you know but the fact is right now day they pretty steady for so for it wasn't that my science advancement of science that was as so many people people better more spread out month and years to get across the notion but now is what i were nice enough to make sure to bring peace we have to make sure that we can spread that knowledge for the peace and try to bring the leaven of in all in trying to talk about we talk about haves and have nots in the human condition there are haves and there have not and i don't know how that can be measured or how it can be but daedalus was said that history the history viewed in a certain way it's a history is is it's it's a it's a system west of seventy percent of people americans thought it might have been yes yes yes that's it and then we're talking now about atomic energy as something new relatively just yesterday  discovered in the human experience and it has great significance has great destructive capability we know and the weapons that have been developed as a way for one group geo political  ability to conquer another and be sume they're more powerful than the other and the fight over who's got the biggest military to be influential in the world and is now becoming i mentioned to you before asked that those weapons have finally with thermonuclear become species lethal it's income bind with certain germ warfare things that are also been newly developed that are destructive or capable of being destructive in a way that was much less a near term future which has never been possible to have universal justice for all of the citizens of the world to live their full biography that never had the capability the energy to provide for the citizens of the world that we have which is the counterpart to the fact that we can now wipe them all out in a kind of way that brings it to a time of transformation on a large large scale that the current situation we find ourselves in these geologists are telling us now we believe we believe the whole scene the era that we've been geologically could so shared it with much less the pleistocene and they're calling it the see now that's coming out is likely to become part of the literature we talk i had and is there a positive side to the human condition now despite all the difficulties and the mendus destructive capability there's an equally significant delivering re possibility for everybody that has never been available to us if we would but find that to be the case and the means by which it could be made real in the real world is there anything along those lines that steps who want to win the peace and we have enough destructive power to destroy busy us several times over so i don't think we could destroy earth we could destroy the womb and you're gestating in the womb that we have been doing for two hundred thousand years of our existence as a species we're about to leave the womb into a new order of events in universe which would be transcende like leaving the womb of history which daedalus in history is a nightmare of injustice which it has been to one of general justice and liberation of the entire homo sapiens species with ecological order is now at our technological capability that never has been and we ought to politically recognise that we have capabilities that we don't allow ourselves to think because we're mired in the  rather than problem questions to solve the problems and not try to find solution for the problem that don't exist and create conflict for those  there are the times they're asking it there's something blowing in the wind we had a fall of bobby dylan who said the times they are a changing and there was all kinds of breath of air through the world is gone and so forth and it may be that we're talking about atomic or thermonuclear energy and the fact that we have this new capability of energy that it's so obviously destructive may be able to be part of a formula by which we can bring far greater general fluence if that's the right term or avernus to the vast majority of the population that have been denied that historically into one where everybody would be involved in their situation as a as a have which never they have been able to be in this particular era into which we've been built and atomic energy is an important part by which those kind of things could be realize opportunity is amazing and the atomic and nuclear energy your movement is involved and we've talked about that in historical terms let's take another hour we're on another hour we're going to take about the role of energy and politically nuclear energy in the creation of a bastard expanded and more just world in a positive way to apply to the human society so would do a nd program if that's ok understands the importance of nuclear energy to the improvement of the human condition that we might talk about in a nd program thank you for viewing and becoming back and thanks again rod stay tune we'll be connecting with you for a  nd part of the series ok thank you