don't let me be misunderstood welcome welcome once again to the radical magination i'm a sociologist who's talk of john j college and she burst here in new york as the philosopher activist cornel west has put it the idea that black people are human beings is a relatively new discovery in the modern west the idea of black equality in beauty culture and intellectual capacity is not only problematic within prestigious homes of learning and sophisticated intellectual circles it's in the institutional practices the laws the norms of our criminal justice system the courts the prisons the probation and parole week and three systems the police practices that ordinary everyday people are exposed to nowhere else is this dehumanization of people of color more clearly seen than in the viciousness humiliation disrespect and shane perpetrated by our criminal justice system it's a system created by a larger political economic and moral power a structure that fears the stains and wreaks fear and havoc on the everyday lives of the everyday people that are exposed to it and brutalized by the modern day prison system was established in the united states during the eight days and have a strong moral overtone to its mission well meaning religious reformers like the quakers who are prominent in the prison movement believe incarcerated people could make positive changes in their lives if they could be taught and brought to feel that sense and have a change of heart about their crimes and misbehavior all this could be accomplished while serving their penitentiary time in iron cage is often in solitary confinement under regimes of silence hard work and prayerful reading and reflection of the new testament in reality hit me countless people stark raving mad the main institutions we have invented in our endeavor to prevent or at least minimize crime and violence have been morality and religion the irony is that most deadly violence and crime has always been committed in the name of  religion it shouldn't surprise anyone then that the prison system worsens violence it's a graduate school for crime as violence expert psychiatry's james go again puts it punishment is most powerful stimulant of violence we have discovered yet and we also need to learn the poor people's campaign reverend william barber's moral lesson on who is considered a criminal barber puts it this way we who worship the resurrected jesus would do well to pay attention to who is being called a criminal in our common life the gospel story is clear jesus was numbered with the transgressors we are thrilled to have on the radical magination today guess who have experienced the deadliness and racism of the prison detention system st and they are literally part of today's headlines further exposing the this functionality and stupidity of a system that is beyond piecemeal reform and long long overdue for radical transformation not that we need any further evidence will gets there story in just a few minutes we also have on an activist private investigator i've come to admire and respect and i'm proud to consider a true friend ally and comrade he's the private investigator of and for the people the black ops robin hood of new york city he's the architect and force behind the department civilian justice bill which is now been introduced in a number of states including new york he's the real deal and since his last appearance on the iraq imagination he's come a deal to have his work known on our television correctional officers who abuse their role in sexually searching illegally in  correction officer after a canine dog conics dog walked by the dog at the one thing she says she was handed a consent form which the department says allows only for a limited pat frisks over clothing with a supervisor present davis says that's not what happened to her with an officer got on her knees and she screens my prayer area appearance was down she says she was arrested for cigarettes which she admits she had months later davis says she was brought to the d a s office searches that violate d o c zone policies attorney alan pigment represents several alleged victims in some cases they do the search even though they know there's a camera and there were it's all the world west  spoke to the officer we had a brief conversation everything was fine after they search me she told me to wait like i usually do so that they could bring him down and we could go i could go on my visit maybe an hour it's like oh you've been there me but she was doing a regular padding like she did when i walked in the captain was two in please with the way she was searching me she shoved and then she aggressively started grabbing my arms and patting me  i told i didn't have a bra on she proceeded to lift up my shirt i flashed all the officer that was with her from there i'm still continuing to ask her what's why are you searching me in this manner what did i do in answer she showed me a consent form for the search after this it happened while she was sorry but she's ok and then told me that i would sign it after i just search ok and put the paper down right and then continue to search my lower extremities she patted me from back to front on the outer side of my pants then proceeded to open my pants and stuck my hand in and did the back to front again crying and i was shaky couldn't tell him what happened once i composed myself to let my tears out and i explains and what happened with that was twenty three minutes after right from i'm a victim of rape so when she did that it brought back a lot of flashbacks a lot of stuff you know just women go through this stuff and they don't make it they don't come forward because they're scared you know i still got our loved ones that are incarcerated so so i was nervous i was i felt humiliated i felt and barris disgusted at the same time i'm like this is what you have to go to have to see your loved ones so when i got to the other side to see my husband i explained to him he my son to go visit them so i was afraid like if i do say something about it right they're going to do something to them or they're going to do something to be the next time i come so i kept it quiet i mean i'd be more made a complaint i kept quiet i certainly knew that yeah absolutely started laughing she said oh my god you're so nice i just looked at her like this is violating me you know how did you get involved with this well because you've been well you know what i have been well many i got wins here i got notified these two women we're going to see people who are waiting to go to trial people who are considered innocent until proven guilty and they're going there to see their loved ones ok and many of these loved ones get they stripped her the same way and not only did they strip her naked but then she was there were a four year old little girl and a correctional officers put their hand inside the four little four year old girl's panties and that's disgusting this is illegal and upon one of these people is that we get a lot of family members that go to jail the don't know any better especially i'm getting numerous calls from younger women that this is happening to but you know you have two women here that are pretty spanish women that are developed and they do this in a charge of this kind of group of women and if we can we have a picture of the six of them and we don't show that we can we can get that up there and while we are young i mean this is now becoming front page news oh yeah and the media is now would we yeah because you want to report that when we show the world a story out we show these women there's also a spanish woman there in there that  the scene here of the officer you'll see to the left there were three yes she's infamous for this i mean she goes to people's bags she strips them she harasses them and these people have all been not only in manhattan where they were ok unfortunately and right because they treat them like that so it is absolutely illegal to do this yet and what i want and yet you heard the correctional officer union head say say we are doing what needs to be done to protect the other inmates and the visitors and so on so how was that how does that possibly come to happen out of out of the mouth of the correctional officers well because you know the plan to me what is that what dysfunctionality here forty percent of them are corrupt and writers sixty percent of them good but unfortunately to get along you've got to go along so they go along with this process you just saw in a news clip tip of the iceberg and with your other work too in crime and punishment you you begin to uncover that as well these rogue cops who are you know giving these illegal summons and so on the quota system and it's people of color to correction officers of color who are largely violating their own but which is what what's going on there what's going on there as the system turns people against each other because  serve not to abuse and violate and section of us this is what's going on and it's going to systematically not just the right because but while the state as well and i commend thank god that unfortunate this way with you with you what do you make of this how people are saying and my opinion they miserable it was not all those long hours there right i don't know i guess they were put in impossible positions as well i can't imagine what they go is text message it's about seven thirty in the morning and saturday i look up my corporate email and i see her text my heart broke open i had a quarter immediately because then i realized and i thought about missed one that's around us it's just the press and even today i just found out about another girl that did the same thing for miss ramos and another girl for mr rogers you know and this is this is going to be a busted lips i had contusions all over my arms my hands so they they that restrained me were there was just beating me up and i didn't even resist and you went to a hospital right when i yes i went to i went to our urgent care by where i live because they wanted they wanted to take me supposedly they wanted to take me to their hospital medical yes where what do you think would have happened there then wasn't there we're not going to know god whatever documents are going to be document police from course whatever this is going to be run by judges who have no affiliation with the courts it can be won by investigators who are not cops who are not correctional officers who are independent investigators to ensure that where else is that in new york state an advocate and i'm proud to say that it's now in connecticut want the district attorney's offices and actually mr verus is a perfect example of that you know she's a client the mine and mr ramos has recently claimed as of the saturday i found out that families are being held in jail for five or six years by these district attorneys the lane the the due process part and keeping innocent people one day and then getting their case is dismissed so taking five or six years out of people's lives the bronx is infamous for this and not only that but then you've got district attorneys who have the evidence knowing that someone's innocent and they look the other way mr verus was an example to me like i could not believe and that's why i'm asking mr ramos and everyone else to come sometime in june we're going to be speaking in albany and also in connecticut in the capital will be there yet and education and a soup put this bill forward so that we can have this new agency departments when justice to give women like this and people an ability to report right now i have hundreds of people call me a year telling me how they innocent and keep them locked up and then race later on you find out there's nothing we can do doesn't do it they have immunity how can you be above the law if the president of the united states have oversight none of our district attorneys do that's the same you know i process now you're going to now you know going to see your husband or your son but this one i'm saying so this is this is how they got you know a nipple leaving them out for some but the still people have to speak up if you're touching you get in touch say i feel uncomfortable stop what not you're violating me you have no right to say in a loud voice let the people here bring the witnesses about i'm not going to be searched unless it's in front of a camera they're taking them into rooms with there's no can do that every day taken her just below the retribution is also by the larger system the politicians who play on this perceived need to do this so they get elected but you see they're being tough what you see better from everybody screaming about the politicians all  to shut records down shut it down because of the pa but you know what's the problem you can't take the cancer out of rikers and then transfer it to another location the problem is not the island the problem is the people that work on the from that the need to beat people up and humiliate them to keep them in line i mean that's at the core of the issues i agree with you that people working there by and large you know they come to my  they're decent people they want to do well and they feel that they are serving the community and soon after they realize are not being used and get really angry and furious and frustrated and so but like i said again we have people that are in jail who haven't been found guilty right that is waiting when they're not even been found guilty and their family is coming to visit her soon and they have been right the mines are right in america was our policy you're innocent until proven guilty but no myself i just never will it's one reason i didn't come up because it was like i thought to myself it was nothing really big really you know because when you step and write because they make their own rules their rules are subject to expecting some women you got to travel with extra clothes extra shoes different things because like like wonder said you travel so far some people come three hours away i've seen a lady got turned away she came to see her son and she didn't live in the states she came from like albany or something and they turned away because she had her on a pair of ripped up jeans so she told them that she would change she had to go back to the car but they every time these families go to see their loved ones who again are waiting to be found innocent their loved ones they have to spend two and three hours of waiting a horrific pampers and put him inside the camp or touching so we are sexually assaulting their children as well this is what i find appalling and this is the inspiration why i put in the bill to department of corrections to impartial investigation none of them can be involved in this it must be independent like the c c r b except this one has to have the judge and ability to be able to judge and try them and find them guilty and we have to press charges on them this is happening every day  two examples of thousands and i got to have people see that we teach us about terrorism they say new york see something say something say something i want everybody please please if you see something thirty seven is we will stop what i'm doing this is reaches home violating our families with destroying the very fabric of our humanity of the society of new york state by the dehumanizing treatment that as well because in my my son was in jail for almost three years twenty five years they had a video proving he didn't do anything and the video shows him not doing anything they kept them in there charging him with murder and made him go to trial and then he went to trial got acquitted after two and a half years got acquitted no one got in trouble with the da had to show the video the jurors were like not guilty no burnt in there he's permanently scarred europe some never examine and mentally and its body has a scar but that big about that one i saw it and you know what the sad thing is that she said they had the video evidence almost three years from the