advisor of sci as well as founding p s to take for individual and world peace and other organizations for the purpose of improving people's lives john rogers a bestselling author and has been teaching him conducting seminars for many years to seminars and titled it's me right after john roger speaks will tell you why you can obtain more information about the movement when you bring joy in to whatever situation you just there's no way to say thank you i say thank you but this really way short of what i would really it were in my mind i'm doing backflips cart never do because if i have a clue then that's not really what we're here for i think we're here for something inside of us and maybe me and each other to reveal the greater dynamic of the spirit because we all know the stuff we don't like about the people who are around but we know that this is a so why play with it anyway why even be concerned if i sit here and just start going tell you all the negativity that i know about each one of you you would probably just get out walk out into sky when you got to the door you turn around amazement that i knew all that there are no secrets in the spirit there just are no secrets but there are a lot of sacred things and the sacred things my suggestion to use keep them to your heart wholemeal we used the word spiritual until it's become like a dog food like same alpo you rarely hear sacred used in what we're doing but what we're doing is i've looked at a lot of seminaries or a lot of catalogs metaphysically tramped around to a lot of different groups and look to what they're doing and some things they did were really good nice thought that's a good idea maybe we can incorporate that and then sometimes i just forget them because i get a lot of good ideas and then maybe ten years later that idea come forward now it's time to be used with us in our peculiar or particular way and i like that when it shows up it's really hard to say that i am the author of anything i'm not even the author of myself even god issued me forward five had a say so i probably would have done quite differently but when you're working for and they say go you don't go where you just start go because everything shows all prime time when you move in with some of you are realizing that the theological seminary is standing on its own in line with all of the theological seminaries but on different plateau of expression i mean your degree from here is going to mean more and i was told this just a day or two ago  conversation where a person out in the movie industry heard us they were talking to somebody who knows of us and they were talking they said well what do you do they looked at the hugh pan and they s wasn't too hidden or the other gender was to be how we're going to make this film which is really the big ego agenda to use and they said well you tell you two places that are  real formal where universe to santa monica and she said yeah i've heard of that school and is that the one where they take blankets   peeling away of things and then she said and there's peace theological sandwiches i know john roger that's who that's who you're talking about well p t s is about john roger john rogers about john rogers p c logical seminary if you're in it it's about you and your spiritual awareness and what you're learning and what your gets about you if you don't do it there's no need to say anything about a facilitator you just walk up to the mirror and say i didn't do it we're going to have just a very minor volcanic eruption and then the dust is going to settle all over you and you'll just be crusty from that point on and you might start praying for rain to get more limb so we do that we do the form on the structure but the content is the lord it's always going to be that it's always going we don't care what you call it waking art just the hard goodbye doesn't doesn't matter just a matter that's the content and you may do it yelling and screaming that's really cool well that's your comic but this being pushed around by your karma you have to look at that in a way why don't i know about this that i could say something about somebody else from what somebody else said g r said that doesn't mean it's true he said that's his experience but i've seen and worked with alcoholics years ago who would come in from being completely bombed out from alcohol and sit down and you try to get them into the psychiatric ward and they would go in there because they were snakes all over the floor and bugs coming out of the wall  why you do what you do and you find out they find out that you did it for them but i don't think you people really know how long facilitators of the readers and them have sit and go over your material to make sense out of your writing let alone what you're saying and what are they getting out of it they're volunteering what are they getting out of it something big inside that is bigger and what's going on a bigger thing and i have seen a lot of you over the last fifteen twenty years start out wondering what are we doing or what's going on and i said don't worry about handle and they decide to trust the process trust us and they trust  and fifteen years later ten years later they're working in big corporations making good money to travel around they've got nice relationships things are really working sweet for they still don't know what's going to take place tomorrow but when you look at the past reflected to the glory that you present most people look to the past and damn the presence of her in the stand all that happened you said this new debt and i hate it and i hate where i am and i hate this i hate that you know it's very hard to love somebody that's in hate and some it's in anger it's very hard to love them you have to love them from a distance because they are so addicted to the very process anger and hatred they're so addicted to it they don't know the truth comes out and cleans your glasses and can you imagine the joy they're having the sidewalk you know i think they're terrible rotten people by god i'm sure that i'm happy yeah there are my feelings but i'm over that you know i know it's ten years ago i mean or for ten years now if i see them again i'll shoot walker feels like you know but i'm over that can you really believe in you know what can you really believe they got hurt and could you really believe there were over who's responsible for your hurt anyway well if you don't know it's not  and what do i get out of that try you know the way you practice lifting above consequences which is another nice way for saying karma and consequences always come about by way of a choice watch what you choose to listen to watch what you choose to put your motions into there the day i was talking to a person says you know i've been thinking you should have a new car and the person go forward to buy me a new car any kind new car probably would would balk on a ferrari or lamborghini or rolls royce but i but you'd think with all due respect i should have done something like that i probably should have gone around kissed everybody you know i'm so happy over car you going to kiss some of those people you would even just them in your car let alone because of it and i got in the car and i drove around a park on the street and i sit there and i just looked at it i said yeah i got an awful lot to learn before i can drive this car they are easy to drive these new technological marvels you have to be very watchful so light turned green light that well i just get out and stepped on the gas in the back and rear that w restaurant here and go to the bathroom because i don't think this is new car excitement i think this is dinner from the party coming around but then i got i was and i was accurate on that part and thank god i listened to my signals but on the way back out i stopped and got a real good look at the car and i thought this really isn't a car given to me because i think that's father started looking like to me and i thought you know i'm off the other and then i thought one of somebody put up all my dreams and i'm not much of a drinker i get close to well nothing was happening so i started up the road and i was about oh oh four or five blocks i wonder what the air condition is in this car you know this was in september it was a little cool anyway that particular time when there's ocean breeze and i was looking for an air conditioning and didn't dawn on me for a minute left on the heaters in the seats there's no way i figured that out i just said that's stupid that's idiotic nine know what those are and i went out in a car turned them off by this time i realized you know when you first get in that car in the morning it's nice to have that seat warm up pretty fast because he takes a little bit longer it doesn't go the way i want to go it goes like it goes and then you're the man well most of us don't we take the object out and mess around with mess around put together and something's missing then we read the directions to find out what happened my mother used to cook that weighs by rest recipe book the book says the isn't always something you're smart to find out real fast some things take a while of being in it like a marriage to find out that that one isn't working for you then what do you do well you've got so much invested in it you think you should stay invested in it that's like taking money and dropping in the toilet unless you flush it you see the money going down you take all the rest your money throw behind if you want to keep bush stream of energy going and look at all the stuff that you put into that and look what you've done and all the energy and all the thoughts and all the misrepresentations and all of this and that's all that what you just flush these things seminary masters and doctors guys when they get to their that doctorate degree says you can do these things universe of santa monica has it all so why do we have over p c logical se us them because it's a good idea and it works and so why not use it so when you start to see things from other places coming in some of the people in dr class were finding out the really lines are being checked and what the doctors i go to i have them get their medical books out often to find out what it does i'm telling them where it's located and they finally find and they go hey yeah well let me let me talk to somebody else about this as i want you to send me to not talk to myself this is you want to know she had assured me if you don't know if you're going to ask them about it i've got to go ask them with all this person's have more experience in the field than i have when they know more about and i said that's who i'm looking for so you are referred to me and now you're referring me to somebody else and that's just great and if this other doctor can't do it i still got my eyes open because there's nothing like somebody walking around thinking they know it all or even know any of it when you're seeking help from somebody else but the most we can know at times is the pain of our existence and that sometimes really hurts and to see the pain of somebody else's existence that you love my little kids all around here earlier to see them before them fell was the he was getting up here and i said take him back why there was a chance that he could fall because he was looking around the being distracted he had followed her himself the inside of me had to stop that before start and her before her can be delivered it's a spiritual law i described about twenty five thirty years ago this is becoming him more and more people are finding it more and more him what they're doing now is people are fighting for peace this does of working for peace as does of negotiating for peace they're insisting upon peace under their terms their directions their demands and you had to do it or you get slapped down somehow or other that's starting a war and this war may not show up for fifteen years but you're starting whatever you do in life whatever you behold you can become if you can be whole rumor and gossip you can become the object of that if you can be whole peace and joy and happiness you can become the one who plays them because i say so i'll just look around the world all i'm doing is saying the lights on the lights on the lights on the lights on the t v there the screens there and you look at you go yeah that is what was there before i said anything i'm just drawing your attention to it so the your attention  is the form of the spirit and start to lead you into the path of loving in the path of service he really walking with the lord really being born as the lord and that doesn't mean separate from my means and in that you are in years and years ago when i was studying someone there it was probably in the ninth or tenth grade in high school and when the teacher said that god is closer to you than your hands and feet and even closer to you than your breath will drive down the road safely u r b and to bow laws of the road and when you make a safe trip you don't really say oh thank you god you actually could look in the rear say thank you for following the rules thank you for being obedient to what you've been taught to what you know that obedience is not a punishment i was walking with some friends down the street and person came up to mean that you don't know me but i know you i watch you on t v all the time i show up you have me in a great disadvantage and this kept talking and i want to know who they were i thought that be a polite way of saying oh i'm soul and soul and i say hello how are you like captive sure only because it was and the most interesting thing is she says are these your disciples with you mice and what is the meani disciple to use followers of us normal i'm trying to keep up with them as well no i mean she's no i'm i said no i don't have disciples and she indicates something like why not and i said because you have to be disciplined to be a disciple is nobody disciplined around i said you cannot cost people and you can be very brazen but you were disciplined enough to hear that information and let it go you had to do something with it nor to try to make yourself feel better about it i can't make you feel better about it you're the one who's making you feel what you feel i'm free to say what i want to and right now i'm telling you goodbye and it was are you serious i know it doesn't matter what i say i can't tell you you're not disciplined enough to know to take can use it and at that moment it just seems to sort of waking up all of us that discipline is really a mutual reciprocity sharing listening talking back listening talking back and the other person doing the same thing some people think of disciplines put your hands out another take rule and then they slap a so you'll never do that again unless punishment is corporal punishment we don't do discipline like that we say here's your target there's the focus move your intention inside of you and take yourself to it and discipline is demonstrated and so is discipleship only when you take the information and utilize it integrate it and start to live in that fashion then you are a disciple of that we're just still neo fights learning and trying to stay somewhat near places if you don't feel good you won't like or why you're there anyway and if you do feel good you don't have to go in there you feel good outside the water we're going in there for the stimulation of the outside world we were looking for something to make us feel more alive that feeling you're going out into the world to find is making you more dead because you're not getting life out of it if you're there with a friend you have some life going because you least yunior friend will be sharing the life back and you'll be talking about it i used to say there's really no good reason to go to a real good movie by yourself because who can you talk to about it when you get out so you always take somebody with you so that even when you're eating you can discuss different things that happen and you reach sharing the vitality of each other without having to go through another medium so the other meeting just becomes reflective piece theological seminary study is just be flecked do of you learning to enjoy the process of your own awakening that sometimes these awakenings are very easy but most of the time somebody is taking this crying and screaming in the high country it is dragging and we're want to go  digging our heels in every second so we don't have to and coming up with all sorts of reasons why this why then why do i have to do this and and i didn't want to be there every weekend i knew if i was in i wouldn't graduate but i think that work graduation i got a lot out of it more than anybody else and i want to go based upon their nonsense and they came to me and i stood deserve reserve next group nation they had a right up front in the very beginning these are the things that are required to get here and if you don't do it you've already said no and i'm just reflecting back to you the no you put in motion well but i've changed now fine take the class over for another year did when banks again because i hated them because i didn't like it no because it was still revealing and i was still remembering parts that i have didn't like the others that i like now because the others are already boring so even though i didn't like them in the beginning because they were sort of new i was seeing them so in the first time awareness though i had seen them in the first time vision before i was aware you do i said well you read in the discourse another one is going on above you that is paralleling but not exactly the same and if i get your consciousness more aware and the upper part when you get you you will have the beautiful spiritual part that can't be corrupted because it came to you you to you in the spirit i love you it knows the truth it won't reveal if you picked up said i don't know what's going on i'd like to know it starts to reveal itself more and more and you get that great inspirational energy filled moving inside of you and you get these great creative ideas and you get these great utopian sauce and you go out and you do it all without knowing what's going on and go bankrupt you're being misled when you're being misled there's no need to say they misled me just because your stupidness was running at that date is no reason to blame somebody else you know what you find out for yourself i could be misled does that was that mean be scared have fear no it means when they tell you something and you're going to do it you ask for more information i've gone to listen to people talk and got  you when i tell you things and read discourses you decide if that's true one person said you know i just wonder if you are who you say you are yet i'm exactly who i say i am when you think i said i am  out enough to include your misstatements but if i make a mistake most likely see there's proof there's no proof and that th just is not so we're looking for proof from god go look in the mirror and what you go see is me that's who it god is seeing you through you and if you could back off from the stimulation of flash you would see the spirit energy open around you in the dr class there'd been doing a light body movements is that how you refer to it and i started watching and i saw some of these people haven't been paying attention they think it's part of exercises raise your arm yes just raising your arm exercising is the reasons behind the arm was raised puts energy flow into the muscles it starts to change how that is being done a very seen two people working out and one starts to look really great yet the still looks papa same was different to doing the same things on the appearance of things they can be interpreted many many many ways that's why we say this world's an inkblot world show the ink blot and then how everybody described what they saw and you get a myriad of wonderful tales and when the spirit moves on you someone else who has had a move on them looks at us as as peer how do we know that because you can't be fooled by that method of information it transcends the intellect it comes to the intuition the experience of knowing and knowing that you know and that is so and there is no proof and you won't get proof is what separates you from the rest of the the people who are going to do nothing but just be part of the masses as soon as you start studying in peace theological seminary you start separating yourself out out from your old behaviors your old patterns your old ways of thinking that really you want to do them to do more than what they're doing but they were never designed to do more than what they did based upon the results so if you look at the results of your life you said well i didn't want this well then why did you do everything that led into this well i didn't do everything i just did this one thing doesn't matter one is part of everything one is part of everything it is not everything unless it is the spirit and that one is everything so we want to get to everything i'm always and all the time and everybody that's the spirit that we have to reflect two years ago when people were asking me about spiritual things that has come out of the woodwork and ask me why why well i found out being in a meeting in such were reassured congo a fellow came up to me and said did you know anything there was somebody just come up and asked you a question and that was accidental i said never did because they could ask a lot of other people i mean even look like into the answers i is so absolutely unique i can't believe i don't think i've ever seen before i said well who do you study with he told me so i know who those people are he says yeah but then i have you walk around with this thing i go yeah i've been told that he says do you believe and i said no he said well why don't you believe it i said well you only believe what you don't know and i know that i've seen i've experienced it i felt i've s myself and looked at it i have so many other people tell me what i do offer information just listen to it because it's them in the joy of sharing i'm just listen if you want to want to listen and there's a book put out by taylor called well it's called the listener go get it it's worth by putting it permanent place in the library your own personal library it's worth reading twenty thirty times it's not fast reading because it makes you listen to yourself you listen to what's being reflected off the page then when you get to the end and we're going for loving and caring and sharing and we want to be healthy enough to do that so the underlying foundation is help and the only thing i know of that is sick is the holy spirit and if you want to hang around something is healthy and maybe i'll brush up on you i'll start to think in terms of what we think we can become and what we drop to us and what goes around comes around what we put in motion is ours i start putting in motion companionship and walking with the holy spirit i start putting that in there i start putting in walking with the lord i start putting in there walking with a happy heart i could get the children because it's done for the mind of your basics you older people for the children it's time for their conscious mind the basic stuff already gets too but i think you might be surprised to find out from just a childlike structure of information it can bring you greater awareness of the child you are inside of you that is the spirit one  beautiful thing to behold it is nothing ever to fear to reach something that is uplifting it is not a crutch it's a conveyor belt you get into spiritual things and your life goes  that we don't like why do we do that rather a lot of answers one is because you're doing it and if it is you and you want to take control of your body in your mind in your motions then you better start doing that to take control over and to bring into your life what is on the path of your exploration and bring those people in that are on that same path of exploration and if somebody is there and they're there falsely the a masquerade for a while and if you're not into the truth of yourself you will be found out by yourself one day you won't be happy with that but you know the lord that we know says that's ok that was part of your karma in your fulfilling when you realize you've been on the path see i don't know the name big can't be off the path i just know how you're presenting yourself on the path of your spirit because of the way we feel here in our body the emotional quality is there for every one of us it is really there and if we're got the habit of not picking it up and enjoying it and saying well i'll do it later and i'll do it later pretty soon it doesn't later too and you go to call forward the spirit of god and to be in fellowship and companionship and it's in a later with you and you can understand how that ever happened look back at you spite i don't know i do know love yourself regardless and if it's hard for you say hey i'm loving myself and this is difficult what i've got to love and this really saying help me a little slack give me a little class be nice to see a lot of you go into dr class and then after that go into a lab workshop class so you really get it tuned up and then the way you can help people will be absolutely miraculous you'll know that the lord is working in through you and you'll be really glad that you're doing it the money comes from the word be happy when the spirit shows up be happy when baghdad so i'm trying to finish up very fast what i heard before i forget it when they pull the plug on me go and i think i'm decent later on when i get back hitting i thought oh i could've also  than this so sometimes i do most of the time a star so new and fresh every day is doing fresh this is the day that god has created let us rejoice and be happy and that this is the day that you are creating your self rejoice and be happy in that crucial bush john rogers closing were space sham which mean the blessings are ready are the blessings the ideas and the concepts which you've heard are just a small part of the abundance of material john roger has shared with us over the years if you would like a free book about john roger and that which is post office box five on three hundred ninety three five plus angeles california zip code nine zero zero five one one one three five this is beyond that which is what john rogers thanks for joining