welcome more politics i'm your host goal for sweden's largest newspaper published a shocking report allegations surfaced again against israel for possible body snatching palestinian prisoners may supply israelis body parts needed for research training and transplant this allegation still unproven comes on the heels of a shocking arrest in new jersey rosenbaum and several other palestinian prisoners being used as organ donors i think the only time you'll get in controversial truth is if some honest conscientious israeli actually manages to take pictures and comes forward and says here the pictures other than that forget it it will never happen israel will always in a situation like this and has in the past said we're launching an investigation and that's always the end of now this shocking  news was the boss strong article that was printed in sweden's largest newspaper in a parent any allegation and i think there's been a lot of people that have taken it as fact but really it is just allegations that well what bost said was he didn't say israel is doing this he presented the evidence the circumstantial situation how people were being returned with major cuts across their body and in some cases they've been found with organs missing and he repeated what the palestinians were saying which is their organs are being stolen you know what it's not even limited to palestinians i think there was a scotsman that had this happen as well not only that back in  thousand and two came out with a story where this guy who was the head of one of the most prestigious institutions in israel was busy stealing organs not only from arabs and  palestinians but from jews as well so there is some current credence to this allegation although not proven it's something that should be looked into further there isn't enough circumstantial evidence to  any court of law to indict israel and in many cases even murder trials are set of by circumstantial evidence tell me who the author of our bostrom really is he's a swede what's his people who came to him including people from the red cross who said we're not authorized to make this a public statement but really you should investigate this and he finally after a lot of these stories came  way he said all right i'll go check it out and he did and then he wrote that book and this is where he's reporting about how bodies returned at night and many people who are you know we're burials have to be held at night and everything is done the relatives really can't check the bodies very well in many cases variables are held at gun point where israeli soldiers keep everyone anyone from coming to attend burials and they're held in the middle of the night but in other cases bodies are not even returned israel simply kills the people and buries them locally and says we buried them of course some of it could be that the bodies are so terrible a new way to israel doesn't want that  reaction from the rotters there are a lot of reasons that these things could happen and i'm afraid none of them showed israel in a nice light but israel reports that there's a disproportionate number of autopsies being performed on prisoners bodies does that make sense to you well the whole situation of autopsy is in a way a red herring but in a way it's a ridiculous an autopsy is held to find out why this person died establish well when israel kills the person with their own gun the person is dead he's got four bullet holes including one in the head which is what is required by the israeli practice they call it certificate of death what cause of death do you need why do you need to tear up the guy from his chin rate down to is growing and stitch it up again to find out the cause of death just look at the bullet oct now the other thing is only about fifty percent of the palestinians who were killed in israeli custody are autopsy so so the whole thing about autopsy is ridiculous and just doesn't stand to investigation now they are the author of this shocking report bostrom also wrote a book i think called and shallow was that long ago back in two thousand i don't recall the book right now i know that a lot of his reporting goes back to the early ninety's doesn't yes it does in fact he first came up with this story back in the ninety's or was it in the early two thousand and it pretty much go buried at that time it's only now that he's published a book and it's been published in often blood that suddenly the whole world is up in arms against it it seems like the sensational wisdom surrounding this article is that it's in close proximity to a breaking news story in new jersey are you familiar with yes yes this guy was a leader of a smuggling organ smuggling ring and they were stealing or  the i believe there were some rabbis in america not necessarily connected with organ trafficking but in some sort of money laundering if nothing else when you have this much illegal activity going on you need to keep in the money up so there there is a need apparently for organs and there's money in this trafficking there what is going on in israel there's a huge demand in israel because of religious just action israel's organ donor rate is approximately three percent of the population as contrast it with the united states which is somewhere between fifteen and thirty percent and even in the united states with that level of organ donor or actually just having it done with the you know the government and in the medical establishment condoning the practice not only condone condoning israel is the only country in the word that i know of that funds israel is nine years for a kidney transplant but that doesn't surprise me with the low rates they've got even with organ stealing and organ buying it gets difficult they send people to other countries to buy organs over there now we know that the bostrom article about israel using palestinian prisoners for body parts is an allegation unproven yet but there's enough circumstantial evidence you're calling for a thorough investigation i am caught for an investigation that really it's an empty call it's not going to happen there is no country in the world today that has the power to conduct an investigation but and the willingness to do so israel is immune from just about any action it wants to take especially if that action targets palestinians always we hear about the israel exception especially and it's terrible terrible treatment of palestinians now france surprisingly ended reciprocation relationship with israel for some reason long ago yes you know anything about that not much except that france decided that israel was too much of a cowboy but there are many other countries where israel has been conducting these operations they've been caught a core and reported this is been reported in newspapers like jerusalem post new york times where in turkey there were people doctors caught israeli doctors caught stealing organs from people in the ukraine in brazil in south africa israeli doctors and israeli organ stealers i would call them have been caught and indicted and caught red handed i believe there's a doctor here's there were just disappointed in israel in two thousand and two he was the guy i was referring to he was head of the pathology institute and he was actually making available organs for research and training and surprisingly export to unlike other medical schools and he body parts and and the only reason why he was sanctioned was because he was stealing in my opinion the only  reason he was stealing organs from jews if he had just kept it limited to palestinian the probably still be doing a lot of people now that israel just has a terrible human rights record especially with regards to palestinian especially with regard to palestinian prisoners can you tell me a little bit about the palestinian prisoner phenomenon in israel well this isn't in a way a normal human phenomena normal human reaction no press or wants to come forward and say yes i'm a brute yes i'm oppressing yes i'm committing genocide nobody wants to say this but even though the record would send diaries i mean even nazi germany hitler never said i am i'm the worst genocidal maniac in the world and by god i'm going to commit genocide on these people he coached it in very nice terms about freedom for jews and and stuff like that israel is doing the same thing the culture everything with the defense for israel maintaining the current jewish character of israel surviving the next holocaust these arabs are going to kill us and they managed to dehumanize the arabs these arabs feel no love for their children they teach their children hate they they will give up their lives because they don't value their lives and so once palestinians are reduced to less than human less even than animal it becomes very easy to just become body part becomes very easy to kill somebody i mean there was a rabbi rabbi ginsburg who said one time it is it is perfectly lawful to take  parts from palestinians if that means helping a jew because the life of a jew is worth more than the life of a good surly we've seen new track record on israel just recently in g with three illegal weapons with the white phosphorus killing women and children are surrendered under a white flag these are been documented now cluster bombs went on but none of that is new this has been and very documented and documented to death so many times that you could fill a library with these documents and we can sorry rachel corrie engineered till the cows come in and it still isn't going to make a dent and israel is janine is is a yawn forgotten so this just horrific track record on human rights really makes the boston article that israel is trafficking or taking illegally body parts from palestinian prisoners makes it credible you see israel has created such a new norm of treatment of arabs and palestinians and that new norm is so horrific that anything you inject into it is part of a whole  oh i've heard it before thing in the world fails to react so we don't really know how many prisoners there are being held by the israelis i heard a number of nine thousand no no i doubt if it's nine thousand it's probably in the thirty's and forty's easily there's no one thousand would be a piece of cake we're talking about people who have been swept up in the middle of the night from west bank from gaza they tend to be they tend to be young yes very well they're they're all from as they say from the age of bar mitzvah which is thirteen on up and male although they're not averse to taking females i but one one report mentioned that palestinian prisoners are suffering illness very alarming rate in israeli prisons that doesn't surprise me i mean the why should israel spend any money looking after each  child or a palestinian mother or a palestinian father dies slowly without letting them cross that that check post to get to medical help watch them die over hours and not even think about when they can treat people with this inhumanity taking an organ is no problem well you know there's a lot of concern among israelis for she lot the prisoner how old and  families well if you look at it it's it's very very reasonable gilad shalit is an israeli and he's one of the very few reasons they have to cry about anything so they're going to trot him out at the first excuse they can fight whereas palestinians have thousands of reasons to cry but nobody's listening to some for some of argued that bostrom is just not correct i think cosell wrote a retort about this and some people feel that maybe israel is actually behind the sensationalism but this is an allegation that can't be proved so it's a trap for journalists it runs the electronic int and he wrote this it was a blistering article as a counter to boston's article but i read it and it it essentially just say it can't be true it's not true it's horrible this can't be true this is a bomb in a book you can say things lately where is the proof but how brooke this whole issue being sensationalized by israeli officially so that it becomes really a boomerang absolutely they they are trying to but this is not new either every time a situation comes up where israel can be indicted for some level of human rights atrocity which is unfortunately often israel turns it around and makes themselves the victim it was somebody care come up with proof on this boston article and prove that israel is really behind organ trafficking taking is probably prisoners are using their body parts then they get they get to make people want bad and they can cover up what happened in gaza well they are musters at the art of requiring proof when you know that proof can be given like the nuclear bomb israel we know has dozens if not hundreds of nuclear warheads and they keep saying there's no proof no proof that they have so any time somebody comes forward that person stands to be discredited as crazy and disseminating jew hater self hate or something like that what we hear any semitism are just just regular oil it's almost like anything anti israel you get the response and some might how effective is that it's very effective it is very powerful and very effective most people when they hear oh you're an anti semite semite or you're making statements that look like n p semitism most people are so scared and they just go into a corner and cower and say no no no no please anything but that i'm not an anti semite look look i will stop saying what you're saying right words in my mouth i will i will back off i will not to do this i will not say this and they do actually manage to cower most of the world simply by slapping them with this thing called anti semitism well do you think that any summit is most the same impact on the average citizen that it would on a government official absolutely you could put to europe people are afraid to even say israel with a scowl on their face or a with a serious face i mean it seems like israel is the single third rail going on anywhere in europe and the americas touch it and you does what is any similar to the mean for freedom of speech if we have an instance here of a reporter making some some people feel are credible allegations about something very rough it and israel can shut it down with you know demands for condemnation with the claim of any some of them where is freedom of speech where is press freedom in all of us i don't think it really exists i truly don't believe freedom of speech exists unless you happen to be in the majority who is exercising that freedom of speech in europe they  se the cover of freedom of speech to bash muslims and arabs left right and center and islam but you bring out this freedom of speech on anything that is against israel or jews or something like that and they  got two year imprisonment terms for even denying the holocaust i know there was a case of an individual in austria being imprisoned for yes a year plus because of holocaust he was a british author who had written against the holocaust seventeen years before he was arrested seventeen years later he went to austria and they arrested him and slapped him with a six month sentence anti semitism has become such a powerful term especially in the in the aftermath of the show of the german holocaust against jews that people are so scared of it being applied to them individuals government organization that they just literally run for cover the moment is a enough cases through through the decades it would seem to call for an inquiry that somebody outside independent would do a thorough what why can't the u n do it i don't know as usual that formidable that it can keep everybody a bag but with the new jersey ring with a link to israel and that's definitely some organ trafficking going on there why won't israel just open up  inquiry and lay this to rest well again partly the aid the anti semitism and the defense they come up and say well we're not going to let the u n conduct an investigation is it because the u n is full of anti semitic people with a gun one better there are now calling blood libel if yeah yeah of course there and also the other thing is israel says don't worry we are taking very serious note of this and we have launched an in an investigation which is the classic statement any time they can not take in any ten to fail to forestall a grievance they say we are launching an investigation and that ninety nine point nine percent of the time that's the last you ever hear well this story you know really is not that well covered i was only by happenstance made aware of it so i think a lot of people don't even know that there's they probably have heard of the new jersey ring during or organ trafficking of character and courage in this country where criticism of israel is concerned this story will not show up i guarantee you will not show up in our media our media is way too scared but it doesn't matter once you say something it becomes the truth well that's a whole nother story if you look at american media you'll find that there is quite an influence almost a stronghold by zionists probably israel interests certainly c b s and  and time warner would fit into that category sympathy with israel is coupled with hostility towards arabs and jews arabs and muslims and islam you tie them together and it is easy to get more sympathy for israel by pointing it at suspicion and hate towards palestinians and arabs and muslims and in the dark we have this sensational organ trafficking going on yes it doesn't get reported we need to shed ourselves of the guilt that's been impressed into us when it comes to criticizing anything to do with israel we need to forget about that we need to criticize them is deserved and we need to hold our politicians responsible that's the one thing we don't do in this country we grumble we moan and groan but we do not really push comes to shove hold our politicians responsible we need to take every opportunity we can to collar the politician to write to him to to phone his office or her office and say why are you allowing this and if they say well i'm not if the rest of congress say well what are you doing against it what do you think would have happened if this allegation had centered on france instead of israel of any other country this would be front page news on every news day there would be congressional inquiries able to speak there would be newspaper television anything you can name we would have boycotts of friend absolute absolute it's interesting that the and they're calling for a boycott that calling for a trial of often blood that which is the newspaper and off buster so if we can get to the bottom of this allegation maybe boycott really is the answer but not of sweden just i want to thank you very much for appearing as always you speak from the heart and it's on a very vital issue concerning a somewhat wayward ally of america not something what i would say way way were thank you very much it's been a