first of all is there anybody there is being no one in the audience from the public will close the public comment portion of the meeting and turn it over to mister samari so today at our council meeting this afternoon we are going to be presenting the two thousand and fifteen recommended budget and today will just be an overview at the council and then subsequent today i will have departments presenting their respective budgets over the next six weeks or so concurrent with that as we do every year we come to the finance committee and we go over some things there in more detail and in areas that we wouldn't necessarily cover at the department level but like non departmental revenues for example in fees but we always like to come in the first day to ask you if there are any other topics you would like us to cover in addition to sort of the standard things that we would cover normally and so that's why we're here today just to really ask for your input direction on topics in the past week for example we've covered pensions and we want to get more information on that unfunded liabilities related to infrastructure so there's some things the past we've covered so i'll put the on the screen you'll see where we're planning over the next several weeks today of course just to get your input next tuesday we will be going essentially tax revenues and the assumptions that were used to develop not only this year's projections but next year's and an updated multi year forecast and then we'll look at the fees both from the general fund and then in enterprise funds and we you'll see a both there on the m  th proposed route rates well actually we i think we've done a lot of talking about those and so we'll probably just be unfolding that into the enterprise propose these changes and water will be part of that on may th we will  follow up with anything that you throw out any of these meetings you've asked us to bring back some more information and we'll bring them back to that point and if we have any staff recommended adjustments the changes that recur says today that we want to make to the budget before it's adopted we'll bring them to you as well and then we'll look a final direction then but so that's kind of our schedule and just to see if you wanted to add anything and we can fit it into this these dates or we have to we'll set up another meeting nurse but but just at this point let's turn it back over to you and see what you wanted to add okay thank you mister hardy comments well i think this is a great schedule i don't i don't actually have anything else to add i guess the only thing that just occurs to me is that you know the state of california is a little bit better fit to fiscal situation than it has previously been in the last five years and i wonder if you're aware through the league of cities about any potential changes in funding that might be available to local government seems like a i don't i don't expect that there are because the state still has a big you know deficit that they're trying to fill and the governor's spoken very clearly about wanting to establish a rainy day fund and and there is a big laundry list of competing state needs but if there was anything that you were aware of that might change our potential revenue streams down the road or me nice to know about that but can't plug that into somewhere in the conversation just feel like that's the one of the areas that is where there's the still it doesn't feel resolved to me it just feels like it's one of our biggest concerns both short and long term so i would appreciate having a another another round of that i know that for me as i work on this year after year somewhat different questions come up and somewhat different ways to try and understand it come up and i don't think of it even as something necessarily that's that's okay well part of the budget process it's more sort of a state of the city kind of and and reviewed the the big picture of the pensions how much the what are the city's obligations how are those changing year to year obviously we're having we've had a  think of a large number for example the firefighters that retired was it last year and that's a substantial amount of money going out now for those for those retirees so one area that would be interesting i think not only and i hope that i'm asking questions that our citizenry consider interesting as well is what are we paying month monthly or what did we what did we pay last year what out of our what came out of our account last year for retirees and so how does that break down on a monthly payment basis that's one area that i mean i know  those we have financial professionals in the room the awareness that every month that goes by that we're we're not dealing with the problem it gets to be a tougher problem to deal with we're putting out all this money each month that means there's less in the box for the future i would be interested in in learning a little bit more about that either part of the budget process or later in the summer at the finance committee that's one area the other one is just going to be old half to mister heart is and that's the sb cag financing i don't i don't understand it and so that would be i think a good piece obviously the city or well we'll get around to looking at this  kind of a follow up question to the first item were you thinking about pensions specifically or did you want when you talk about month we're just talking about retirement pension okay exactly just that's it's a i know it's rising and we vet now it's a is it a line item in our budget i mean it at least until i understand it's gone from a footnote that's it's sort of getting considered at a as a stronger i mean obviously it's a big number so now it's being considered with more headlines as far as i've always thought that the that the way we get brought through the breadth the budget process is again for me it's each year i can i'm perhaps i can absorb only so much and that as as they're going by i i learn more so i find it to be a useful process good i think you'll see up there that we have all the meetings starting at regular time depending on how much time we think we're gonna take for some of these other  and really at one thirty at the latest one hundred and forty so you have time to get back so we think you never go too close so close to two zero that it makes it difficult for you anytime there's a change of either time or venue i sure appreciate sir whatever electroshock method you can use i