hi and welcome to another episode in the life to point out show today we're discussing living a fulfilling second i'm going second i'm going to you know sabrina the whole purpose of the like to point out show really is to help people some changes my story is really a result of being downsized how i started my point how but we really want people to understand that you know life goes on and life is about for feeling dreams and not all about just one thing in life absolutely have many transfer transferable skills and talents that allow you to do many things in life and as we say it's a movement because we really want people to think about and plan for your second act right right so today we have u chatted a little bit on the phone and i said oh you're perfect guest because i think as we hear her story her story touches upon to import you know areas that i think i hear people women saying why they am super excited and i love to share my story because i think it gives other women and men but mostly women hope correct and encouragement to live forward and do what they may not know that i have in them to do so tell us a little bit about your corporate life because most people start incorporate some way shape or form and you know you are a pharmacist that worked in corporate so tell us a little bit about that journey and how you stepped in to really saying you know that's it i am going to stay take my hobby which is photography and make it into a business so i have a lot to be thankful for first and foremost and that i've had the opportunities i've had and when i first got out of pharmacy school i got my doctorate and i wanted this high powered career i wanted to wear suits every day i wanted to make a ton of money and my mother was an artist for the most part of stay at home mom she later went back to school and became a librarian but i didn't want to be like her i wanted to be this you know powerful woman so i worked in the corporate world and when we moved to the east coast i didn't have a job for a while but  through connections to working i make some contacts and i became a medical writer and so what i did was i worked for medical education companies pharmaceutical companies and i helped mirror or engage the managed care with the pharmaceutical industry and things like that and did a lot of patient advocacy and so we were cruising along we have three children the third one came along and our lady that was about helping care for her became ill so i lost her and the boys were travel sports and life was just crazy and john being in the pharmaceutical industry as well he was travelling a lot no family here to support extra the word and it was too much for me to be travelling and doing it for a while and get it he said one day you know i think it's just too much and how can we simplify he said you love photography why don't you do something with it and bring yours my mother had been saying into the contest to do that and i'd like what this is just a hobby and i thought about it and i thought i'm going to do that and so with john help we created a blog and within six weeks of that bout blogging up i had my first paying customer and it was a woman who is a musician and she now has basically she's an agent for other artists and musicians and she inspired me a lot and we had the most phenomenal shoot and i thought i found my niche around work with this said so so many things yeah her story that we just need to stop and talk about because it was something she enjoyed doing but she wanted to be the high especially baby boomers we're like that first real jenner and i don't know she's a baby boomer but i want to say for us where we're only that first group of women that stepped out in the corporate world we were like this big mass of professional women going out  corporate world and you know we all had those to something that's inside you that you wanted to do because the fact that you said this soon as i did that once i knew just knew and yeah and i lot of people they get that internal i know i know this but they don't do it and for whatever  reason but keep talking because i love you very yeah yeah so you know it's funny i just kind of lost my train of thought i had said something and it really inspired something in me to say something but it's one of those things that i think you don't know that sense of fulfillment and you really experience yeah and so when i was writing you know it got to the point and you know this from having been in the firms in the industry you've lost a lot of the ability to be creative so when i was photographing i mean i have a sow's of pictures of flowers right and you know i would just be so happy yeah yeah and i could do that for hours and hours and you never tire of it you know when you were incorporated didn't you feel like something like that the made you happy was not something you could turn into a job or into income it was just something you did as a hobby i'm just thinking about the mindset the mind right that is like some right something completely different because i think we're we grow up with this you go to college you go to work and then you make a lot of money make a lot of money and then retire because that's kind of powder no we had seen from previous generations and now we're thinking all wait a minute the world has changed there are so many other careers maybe i'll give this a go because i'm still i still have a lot to give i still have a lot to to impact the world in some other way and help make somebody else's life better you know absolutely and i think fear plays a big component and yes you're you have a steady paycheck you know what's happening you know you're in a routine you have expectations and there's comfort in that yeah it's what the norm is and it's hard to break out of that and i i was scared because i wasn't someone to just throw myself out there and that's what it was when you start a blog you're putting your life out there and you don't know who is going to see when you don't know what and it took me awhile to figure everything out like how to build a following but once i started building building that following in the key to that engage yeah and once i started doing that on my confidence started building because people were you know i was giving something back to the right age and back with me as soon as i felt that they were appreciative of what i was doing and my work and like i could put my information mice oreo right there and it was being accepted right right yeah then i kind of oh ok this is going to be ok yeah but you know that was all online right now it's still i was still kind of hiding yeah it took me several years before i really really threw my d m out there but once i did that rewards were i mean amazing ok and then and because we're all one of the things i think as we're going back and forth with we're doing something that's for personally and makes as happy and i think i think that's the combination that's you know the thing i am because i think a lot of people just don't or i don't know why they feel they don't deserve it or whatever but life is short what makes you happy you deserve to be happy and i'm just as you talking about it you see on her face yeah really yes and yes but you know look stepping back a little bit when you first starting out you go to school and you know you have your first job it for myself i was very excited i was very excited but then you go through and you get burnt out and you're like is this really it you've kind think that that i think we all kind of know we all get internal signals when it's time to move forward yeah go to change yeah i mean i know when i was working at merck i i would get them and i would go to another position another position and i always knew this and then my last few years at merck i knew i really should get out but i had something where years to ret from that package again you saw i had seven more years and when i think about now how i was willing to let just being miserable i can't describe it any other way for seven years just to have what i guess what you always supposed to have you know and have that comfort whatever whatever i have to say this is really truly the best part of my life financially am i where i was with mark absolutely not no it's the best part of m i yeah but i think coming to because i don't think we had our our generation our we're like you say the first ones doing this type of thing so we didn't really have something to fall back on because i look at our kids now and they they don't have the same mindset they're like oh yeah i can go to another job i can start a business i could do that well we didn't have that to draw and i think part of it too was we were women and so we were oh yeah  i wanted to teach them to be the people that i want them to be you know and i helped mold them into in clay of human writings that are right it's attic and padded and kind and i just feel like if i was in that world with my husband's career the way it is we wouldn't have that and this know them out of me knows that oh yeah exactly yeah but it it also it gives me tremendous joy to see every single woman that comes into my studio says i take awful pictures i never take good about this and i have anxiety so i used to struggle with it a lot and it's so funny how life transitions and i've overcome it but i see them and i'm like ok take a deep breath and i see them holding their breath and yeah once we start communicating it's like this you know you can you just are having a conversation right and as soon as they start to relax i get to know them and they get to know me yeah they're having fun and there's nothing better than seeing that joy and their personalities come out and i love bringing that out of people and just giving them then the material that content that is going to show their potential clients their audience their emotions because yeah in order to be successful you have to make now online they're not go day's you know thinking about from a business perspective in today's marketing if you can evoke certain feeling on your online presence like you're really messed up it's not just about words anymore is about that connection is that how does that visual make you feel forced is more your hawk rather than you know long ago it was this big headline i think now it's the combination of getting yes visual need a great caption right but that picture is what's going to drop you right in colac and grab and yeah so tell us a little bit about your podcasts and how you know i know you're very passionate about women supporting women in tell us a little bit more about that so this is i think the perfect example of women supporting women we had the four of us before chicks chatting mastermind more all i do is take pictures oh my goodness my business rocketed once i got together with these women as they push me to new heights i now do videos i've never in a million years thought i would be doing not his i know public speaking no you know but we still for a year we were together and we met every friday and most of the time it was on skype and then once a month we did person and it got to the point where we couldn't see each other and we looked so forward to those friday mornings where we inspired each other right we helped each other through both professional and personal the habs and were able to push each other to a whole different level and give each other ideas and just fuel each other  yeah to be more says everything and for me someone who likes to stay behind the scenes they have really pushed me to be who i am today even you know how much i changed in a year which is remarkable  and it's really a fun transition to see but so anyway we were we were talking and we have this text we go and you just never know what might be on there but one day i threw this idea out there we were talking about had been talking about different things e exciting gauge and empower ok and that's our whole goal is to encourage people and a lot of what we talk about is because we're we're all for the ten who have been in a career and in transition and we're all doing different things dow but we're all doing things that are impacting the world around us ok you know we're we're giving and we're helping others through our careers and it's it's enlightening firing but you know i think building your tribe of women is so critical to pushing you to that access and i would say to anyone who is contemplating by starting a business or making a life change and getting out of this career this rut that they hand it's scary it really is scary but have faith in yourself make the right connections and all you have to do is start by going to one networking group put yourself out there and make a connection with  one woman right that one other person is all you really need to start you make that connection and then you start meeting and engaging each other and man it will go you'll think of oh my gosh this other person is interested writing this let's bring them in and you just build yourselves up right and you also tell each other that's a really dumb idea and yes you're going to fall on your face if you do they exactly exactly because we've always as part of what we always talk about is that support group and the unity and we and i just keep telling people a step as you said step out on faith and for me once i took that first step and i'm like ok i'm not falling flat on my face and i think on the next one it's but at the same time i was amazed how people and situations came into my life to say i was headed in the right direction and then the other thing in terms of support group everybody else going that everybody can't be in your support group and i telling people please please me very very selective because it's as you said it's of people that are going to say dumb idea because they have your best interests abroad they're your cheerleaders they're the yes the kind of like pull you back when you're having a crazy like can i do this moment and say yes you can because they see in new a lot of times what you don't see in yourself exactly and that's what these three women have done for me and it's funny because you think about it you want them to support you and you also want them to be brutally honest that's how you learn yeah right so i think that's another thing you know if when you're trying to make that decision to move forward or to make a change so what if you fail because this is your lesson to learn going to learn from it and you're going to be a better person because of it and you know i've i've made mistakes in the past seven years and certainly you know probably could have done a lot more in some areas than others but it's all come to the point where i'm meant to be today right exactly exactly you are exactly where you were meant to be you know backley so we have like five minutes left so can you talk a little bit about how you captured the essence of somebodies brand because you know you do a lot of brand photography so give us a little idea of how that process works and what would be like if somebody is coming to you and saying you know i want you to capture my brand like what would that process be so first  contact me and say i'm interested in having you work with me i need pictures for my website or i need i need pictures for my social media post and most of the time they'll start with i'm redoing my website any pictures and so i'll talk to them about what is their career about all these ideas and what they can do with the pictures and so once we build that connection and i understand them and what their goals are and they understand that my brain is going to provide them with a plethora of graphs and they can then use for different things will set and establish a time for their session we'll discuss wardrobe and then i also always recommend hair and makeup and hair i'm kind of like i'm ok if they don't have a head to make up i really really really think it's the best way to go because that do you have a makeup artist that you know i have i actually have a couple but i have one that does hair and makeup ok although i try to use her because it's more economical for i clients right try to keep that in mind because when they're in this is and invest right but and a lot of times people don't want to spend the money but what i tell them is this is who you are and this is going to make that emotional connection to bring people to you and i'm very passionate about that  think it's very important to present yourself in who you want to be your authentic self right should emphasize right so when we're when we're doing a shoot my mind is automatically ok when you're building your web site you need a picture on your about  page that represent what your services are you interacting a lot of times if it's someone who is a consultant you will do you know have them in the studio with my computer or their computer right after you know then the show exactly how to show that they this is what they wardrobes for example i had a positive psychology person in black client last week and so she works with people similar to what you're doing with a lot of true life transitioning and things like that but you know s captured her in the corporate essence and we captured her in her jeans and a blazer like you know we capture her in different ways inside outside so that you kind of have an organic raju of who she is you know on her entirety so that people can see her as this is who she is if this is the environment she's going to working at his who she is if she were right you in her office in your environment so that's the idea how long does something like that take at least outside you know maybe in their office in my office things like that ok yeah so the planning really takes a little bit of time to begin does and you can't even imagine how how tough wardrobe decisions are for people  and writings like that so it looks good on almost everyone i so you know i tend to recommend a lot of blue but you know you know plaque there's a million jobs like that i write that so it's it's a full package when you work with me and i'll give you a shot at the head with what you do for somebody is sort of you know hanging in the balance right not sure what to do you ways for all was to be like something you would encourage them to if you were feeling a sense of fear about taking that night's next step most likely that's what you're meant to do love every time every time i hear time well thank you so much  but that's that's good and you know like you said the fear stepping out in fear can you know often lead to a very successful life second life changing there's someone that i kind of follow and she says just do it a and i would have been