coming out of the guinness book of records for the most intelligent person in the world having had an i q test validating her intelligence it puts her in that position and knowing walking very much the conversation is a great pleasure to me i wonder why one of you might share this is that this is a unique position that you hold in a certain sense you know very interesting life as well that we want to talk about a great many dimensions but it is the intelligence that you have which puts you in this unique position again one that was recognized early on in your life or was this something me just coming to know the fact that you were in this position and it's only just now that that is being published it was in the in the guinness book of records you were in the position you've been living a relatively quiet life without making a great fanfare out of the fact that this was registered in the records and think in the television the other kinds of medium are coming out more and more in terms of communicating great numbers of people yes you know it's a very interesting thing when you give a great deal of thought as you say you've taken tests with people who are going to serve with this question of intelligence and hype you know what you can learn some just  brain and you inherited a human brain and the dog obviously has bounds which you do not share even if you take the dog to college and he sits in the front row of the class any never barks he's still not going to not a very good measurement of how much we're able to profit by experience and other words how good we might be expected to do in school but this is these are quite different things i q can't question possibly measure yes you did you did throw in the intuition which i would not have done because i think that's an intellectual function you do i don't believe that's at all mystic i believe that has more to do with perceiving the signals that other people say is that something apart that's part of human consciousness or yes i would say that feelings as something that impinge upon the intellectual functioning should probably can speak onset or does separate from it probably what a lot of us do is compass begin the motion of people who i don't really think intuition as is right in a function of intelligence you think it is i don't think there's any question that it's ok that depends on how much you see versus how much the next person say it's not that may not mean that you problems over the world and how can we call for the differences that exist let's say st in the world without talking about the differences between the human species and the other biological but within the human species in the uk we differentiate going how do we account for the differentiation in the capacity that would be intrinsic to our so yes i could say i'm as i think we all have enormous potential and if we are raised in the quote right unquote way or if we happen to have that combination of circumstances and motivation that ce of the brain itself and the nervous is made up of this you can also be if you can be affected by life experiences or it can be that there is this firing mechanism give a system that makes for consciousness and perception and so forth i think that's fair artificially artificially raise the child's level of intellectual functioning but only to a certain point because motivated parent is not a motivated child then you say more and more pressure as time goes on and finally the child walks out because and one must be very very aggressively intellectually to have a high i q that is one thing that i think i do have i think i'm very aggressive intellectually and on certain things and find things interesting and you know  that would be a factor also i would certainly say it is but if we allow our kids to become very very motivated learn how to go out and do things on their own which is one peculiarity in my upbringing i  can't say that it's better good but it is interesting because it's different so are related just for a moment that i had an extraordinarily permissive upbringing which means that as young as i as young as i was in the skies back as far as my memories take me i didn't have a curfew i had to take care of my own nails took care of my clothes and and if i asked my parents a question and they were very loving people mother was there all the time when i had just if i asked her a question what is simple the typical s question is why is this going on oh yeah that sort of thing she would say i'm not here to entertain you you should go out and find the answer to that question and you have this childish curiosity you're delighted with everything everything that's the kind of thing to teach kids something so you would tell them in an in essence to be open in their minds not to be closed and not to be drawing conclusions we have little five year old strong conclusions and it's a pity i saw a good i wanted to ask your question whether there's a correlation in your mind if there's a kind of different ideas of education in the works why do you think it is that the society is geared that really toward encouraging people to become so out of record rather than being able to become integrated intellectually themselves and very often driving people to learn reasonable thing to do if we're going to have children and education and capitalism and socialism and fascism where percepts drafting into it and getting entities in the society who are trying to make the person become practical so that they're going to be able to be a practical functioning member and earn their living and make their way into society because for so many forms of human experience the material really nothing would have women that throughout history virtually nothing is doing more that is good if you know you know that i'm comparing comparing them to the white man and people have asked me what do i think of the future for blacks what do i think of the future for women and i would say in these two particular cases and in the public and we can move from the secular to the general i don't so much hope we can't because we can't wipe out history and when the young black child reads well what it's what it's like having it in perspective what the black person has done well but the what the woman has done they have they have this conditioning right in the beginning you know how it's been in the past there's not that much expected of them and so i think it's this way with was maybe they maybe they just know a lot more than i do but i didn't understand shakespearean time i was thirty and when i see a high school kid groaning because they're reading romeo and juliet i don't understand why they're grounding their answer when they don't understand what's going on don't you think th really depressing about given the fact that learning new things learning even learning patterns was a work is such an exciting proposition and secondly there was a biology physics the realities of biology physics and all all kinds of things but in this effort to make all rounded individual we sort of turn them all off to everything give these things to where only the other day after the other day is the other man a nineteen year old was complaining to me about the junk he called the realize and one example would be if we suppose for a moment that you're afraid of your old man and you will suffer a stroke you have been in the prime of life you're doing very well you're active at center you have a stroke and you have a you and not too much damage naturally and the motivation it within a year or two or thirty five that men may very well indeed be back in again you know now you know sort of he's not motivated he will never walk again it takes tremendous really electric lights automobiles all technology is an extension of our consciousness into the environment in a very real sense it's all coming out from an so i was making environment other than that which is given we've even reached the point now where we have artificial intelligence  people have taken what i mean as these things are measured and as it's put out and as these are recognized and put forth you are in that position at this particular time which is a very unique and interesting one and so forth but must be a little bit like feeling like part in a certain sense because never i have never shown to anyone that as far as that is television is concerned yes we're discussing those possibilities too because this is a wonderful way to be able to communicate with people when one reads things in the paper they want to have a more difficult time discerning if there is a bad one tends to give a little too much credence just because it is in print and i like to see ideas explored on television  usually on a run to one basis because if you have a panel of people too many people can slip out of answers they're saying you know that they shouldn't be slipping out what i would really like to do is discuss issues of the day or issues that are with people who are in the news or people who are doing something that that is influencing other people i'm not especially talking about a track star nothing wrong with being a track star but he or she is not influencing other people's thinking if there are people out there who are influencing other people's thinking politically socially etc i think those people should be placed in a position right in front of them not to i'm not talking about being nor taking everything apart but let's discuss this are clearly from an independent viewpoint no bias whatsoever and let's let those those folks out there find out about this person that they're following and i want them to get the relief and being able to and being able to understand to find truth underneath all these words that are floating around and that is something that i feel obligated to provide a great ok well  definite responsibility which is why i didn't want to bring out the more serious things i wrote sooner because i feel but i have a tremendous obligation to be accurate to be unbiased to be totally fair if someone is going to read what i write and give some credence to that it has to be right it has to be totally fair no matter what my personal opinions are or what might just happen to benefit me or the people i love or something was very bad over there about i understanding of what we think is the truth and try to show them what it might not be the truth and how things got distorted over the ages and the fire at alexandria for example that rocked all of o i happen to be yes also also that's who i guess are reading something but yes times that i would like for them to know that they will be able to talk with me and that i will not make an effort to make them look bad and i will not make an effort to make them look good way in an intellectual sense how do you find leadership among the vast billions of people that make up human society who are real leaders and we recognize them well you cannot make political process to be those people we normally think of as leaders they are basic to a certain basic to others political systems also but over here we have one man one vote and so on actually that's there's a problem politicians much my nature of the trade have to be dishonest you know it's so fortunate that they have to tell people what they think the people want to hear an artichoke get them to vote for them and i'm sorry about that i don't mean that they are corrupt people i don't believe they are but in order to get people to give you love for you have and if you were doing this television think of the time of jesus you would have been talking to pontius pilot when jesus was not someone who was a spiritual but he was just a conscious part of represented the leadership people whose perception to be illuminated more than some other said what you said which is there would be a nd coming because that means that i believe there was a st coming and i was not around back then and there are a lot of people most of the earth does not believe there ever was a st coming really  and to to take it take the truth and expose it and i want people to laugh about it and show them how to laugh about it or make them laugh at it in such and such a pleasant way to learn and so that's ryan like it especially still hard to do satire don't you think because in a very novels and you begin to get a camera sense and so forth are you beginning to get a sense because the literary expression from example to so many year and so forth but the visual component little bit different you know i was that way but but back in the beginning i wanted to write a play so and nationally i was beginning to think that eventually i have to play straight in a couple of political satire is and a series of political satire is it would be something like half hour features lots of other things like that and i'm working on collaborating collaborating screenplay out with that disney productions of other things like that but the thing that i think would serve pete best either than i have as an actor i would be say there would be having more direct access to people through television because books are nice they make money but not a lot of people buy them and you can't really get through to people that actually lots of people buy books but it's not like that talking with them or the television you know and i feel that i have an obligation to that to them that way because i have