of may and we're i think just the rd or may have just started or something but we need it might be some to talk about you know and everything but it's so good to see and welcome to the set as always always happy to be with you how about that you took it off your it doesn't look too good but for those who are interested in this conflict it is quite clear for more than three or four decades that  that i'm not really proud about but the more i look into it the more it becomes clear to me that it may as well be possible that  actually leading this honest movement until seventy seven and why do i say it because it is clear to us and nowadays i mean for me it's clear from for for quite a time that wanted to see the jewish state in palestine but it was very important for him that the arabs will be  respected that we'll be treated with dignity and he says it will work as long as we name will be in both languages and so on and so on and it was labor of zionism that ethnically cleansed palestine that kept committed the most disgusting atrocities to the palestinians very many absolutely and all of that is coming now to light because next week is seventy years for the nakba is that really and yes absolutely and this is why we see all those developments in gaza in the last few conflict that starts with ethnic cleansing and it is very interesting because in the last two and a half decades it seemed to some of us b for instance and i john and jewish socialists a lot of bodies and they managed quite successfully to to deviate from the right of return into occupation is all about legitimacy of the jewish state within different borders or rights prepress sixty seven then they start to talk about colonialism colonialism is a very misleading term because israel is not a colonial borders on islam is not a colonial project it is a very unique project was no president in history in human history people come to a place after two thousand years until the indigenous listen you have to move we've been there we've been we've been here we've been to before when two thousand years ago according to do you say dia every italian contemporary italian can take every piece of land in europe really confusing on a large scale it gets you know not by the way by the way by the way we have quite a lot of italian there restaurants all over so maybe it's not such a bad idea you know it better to have more rare italian restaurants there than than  that at least the gazans are now emancipated they say this is our land we want to go back this is the true meaning of the palestinian cause and this is something that i my family was there are long time before based on the idea based on the zionist idea so i thought if my grandfather could claim that land based on the fantasy o being israel and became a jewish state when i will elaborate on it in a nd ok to start with let's try to understand the question yeah is basically an upside pyramid maybe we have one working class guy but we have a lot of bankers on the on the top said as early as this that this is very embarrassing but it is due to the fact that jews don't have a land and once we go back to our promised land this will change and it changed it changed they went to cheaper and this was the end this was probably the end but to be honest to be honest i'm kind of slightly cynical here there was there were a lot of different debates in the early days of zionism used to refer to the government is the jaws that interest they hold them the jews we where there is we robin here we were the israelis they were the jews and this is something that i only learned recently and when i start to read some protocols i could see it they looked down on the jews this changed completely i believe sixty seven following the incredible victory of in sixty seven dollars many israelis started to believe their debt runs formation is completed  on the one hand and on the other end there were many new communities of jews who immigrated to israel in the fifty's and in the sixty's from arab countries from its european countries from the balkan and they couldn't integrate into this israeli narrative and then in the early seventy's we start to narrative coming up and this is the narrative of what really unites us is jewishness and this is the point where israel survived the all of course they come to israel and they three to bed early the lot of stories about my parents generations of parents the didn't allow their kids to bring ome embarrassing story but they i'm really i really don't make it there was a dynamic in all of that i can't quite get a hold because the israelis the israelis sold them serves as a new breed is proud people people who can defend minutes ago is the fact that it was the labels and it's the people who are supposed to be the most human league driven jews were driven by fear a cyst a threat to the indigenous people of the land what i understand now the possibility there regardless of the political one who is assertive was fighting who is expanding they actually adopted adopted yeah at a certain stage israel went into that transform ation he became the jewish state so i say that it started in the early seventy's after sixty seven your war was it you know seventy three war was a big shock for israel four years later or labor resigned is in pretty much collapse and begging begging becomes the prime minister the rightwing basically take over and they basically leading this country since then there is not much left out of out of not much left out of the israeli left it's a left over and statesmanship a good deal of human history based upon just real politic whoever's got the gun rules and who's ever got the power rule it's things like systems of  i think i think that when i look at israeli israeli politics to a certain extent they are all losers because they don't have prospect of future me not just as we were kind of jew so to start with i'm not israeli i'm not a jew for many years but but i realized twenty five years after leaving israel that i was quite y so what i understand now is that i had to leave israel in the nine years because israel became a jewish state and i didn't want israel sorry britain and i would say america and france are now more jewish than israel all right there there was a story that came out in the guardian an filtering very very slowly into for instance a american press about the fact it was in the on the guardian that i said in fact i didn't see the f anymore we call it the guardian of job do there but maybe they were willing to do it because if it was from they don't like i lend i landed in new york of these victims and i thought to myself you know if this is not to reason you know an american president for when company to  we are not allowed to utter the name of our oppressors now we can go i spoke with in a radio  about it those who survived were under guard border for thirty five years i think that the guy were still there but after thirty five years i think in two thousand and two the story broke broke out and this is exactly the meaning of jewish power jewish power is the power to silence to silence any criticism of jewish power and this is many overweening authoritarian power within many kind of situation throughout the history of the world in fact the history of the world is very much a matter of a few people in a castle on top of the you know while everyone's wallowing athenian or region we forgot what it means to sink things through we are now you have managed to drift away from truthfulness for instance just three weeks ago we saw britain america and the united states are talking syria always screws mean yeah based our power rules rules is not anything new in fact it's characteristic of the whole human condition one could by the way i mean look at the gun wins and they reset the rules and  think of any generation now within western thought that has been less authentic then our generation then our youngsters that are a born into a walled no prospect a future when we were young yeah i'm younger than you but when you were young and i was young all right we'll do something but if it doesn't work we'll go to work in a factory exactly and you know why they were all sent well i mean you know why just musicians well actually you know because they took so much drugs that their consciousness the super ego the so what are you let me as your great are you optimistic pessimistic where i don't for the human prospect let's say we now have a world that we've come into which i don't know if the record is there or clear but finally after what two hundred thousand years of our existence as a species we have extended capability of our consciousness in what are called weapons systems that have become in their early in their  capability to provide for what would be called life support of the species of add at a level transcendent to what the masses have ever been led to this lends let's positive reading of the situation that is blowing in the wind is available to us in terms of the capability but we have systems based upon the assumption there never has been never can be enough for all there never can be a world that would allow for there to be lived through the cold war and we survived it yes and  we have a problem i'd say because the iranians we believe want to have an atomic bomb and why we don't like it wall peace to be sustained and as i said in the beginning if israel is the biggest enemy for peace well the biggest danger then one thing that we need is an the wall the rug me in the same terms i would believe that you are probably the same if i am aggressive vicious towards you if i do things behind your back i around the whole world was sure for sure sure for sure universities understood that the only way around it is to turn the other cheek if you don't turn the other cheek we see  cation off your fear the more fearful the more aggressive you become and this is exactly where israel is this is exactly where america britain and france are this is where nato is this is why we throw more only way to resolve the situation is not political is spiritual we need to spirit we need we need a new jesus christ and i only all that it's not me you're laying out a very very interesting situation and one that we have been for good or you know as a human society and of a certain age group and so forth right now is a is not a normal run of the mill kind of before and everything but that there is on the other side some sort of qualitative transformation in their material reality one of which has been suggested by some of our peoples with all kinds of academic a is definitely there isn't enough the whole premise is that there is the capability of providing for everyone in a way that would make them let's just say in a certain sense i have city at the level of capability to provide life support for the entire let's let's leave this life support for a nd because you have enough americans who are living under you you measure richness but let's look at it america is being involved in so many conflicts in the last three decades i'm not one going to talk about korea and vietnam in the last three decades these wars are not wars that were called by the american people who are under any kind of threat groups and you can talk about oil but i'm not so sure that it is something to do with oil because very brief  research will reveal to you that actually the oil companies are not very happy with this we use these with these wars they would prefer to see stability this is where when they know where where they're going to make a kind of fair calculations and politics they are pushing for more and more wars now this yeah this if you want to talk about our ability to dangerous yeah all the walls as well as the jews yeah as well as the jews and jews enough all of course to understand in there in the past to understand that these games are beyond dangerous and you don't think it's possible to ever have even modeling or anything of that sort predicated upon anything other than the ironclad law of the whole universe is that there can never be enough in political terms among the peoples of the world because it isn't inherently scarce and the scarcity has to be the context within which all political decisions and planning decisions are made it can never be done it is done within individual situations with individual settings and so forth but it can't be done on the collective for the whole of the human society i but the fuller did the exact opposite of measuring that very thing and say we've crossed a line along about ninety seven so yeah let me tell you something slightly slightly stupid ok and annoying for me but but but i but i'm fortunately yeah this is a clear reading of the last american election when it comes to trump trump wallsten elected to be your president that people are operating together i think that their message what we take from trump is that there is enough power in america in britain after kind of changes the present and your same old story of james joyce said dedalus history is a nightmare from which i'm attempting to awaken and the one thing that you want to insist is there could never be an awakening to something other than history being and current reality being ok good good good good good thanks there yes so anyway i'm sure we're just off on the same sort of thing here but i'm of the opinion that we're coming into a new era when you come to new era people are going to be protecting the established system that they're familiar with it's been ten thousand generations and it's time for us to make a transition in our political and economic and social wandering that york again this got to be thought of as a home base or rd base anyway for your touring around the world and everything good to see you again nice one where your view which i have is perceptions will be coming back tomorrow thank you very much for viewing and so 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