once again marjorie stewart is here in the studio good morning margery good morning again and as we promised last week our first suggested at least we have the guest who offered to be here  week where lucky taffy to tour with us last week we were talking about farmers markets now we're talking about a very specific item which is going to be in the news quite short because major global action this is about to be repeated it's a non u action i think anyway we're going to be talking today about genetically modified organisms or g m o's sometimes in that general topic of our genetic engineering and veda is very passionate about this subject and has been for quite a while so welcome peta i thank you marjorie and thank you suzanne i pray so would you like to tell us what do you consider your role to be lists are asking questions about what's going on with our food system and it starts off with the fact that the disease has become rampant over the last twenty five years and is there a correlation between the food for eating too with the amount of disease that is happening in our society questions questions questions yes ask lots of questions and the reason that i wanted to bring this subject forward is because we make a big push we had u k terror cells we try to learn as much as we can we make up our mind and then we think well that's it but that's been a while since i did that is probably true for a lot of people there's always a place to review and repeat well we discovered and to check out what we think we know at this point so the purpose of this program is to review what we believe and think about him most and also to bring everybody up to date towards the end of the program with the event that's coming next weekend this weekend this coming weekend deaths so let's start by just looking at some of the reasons that we're concerned about him most jim most are just different from traditional plant breeding to me yes i do have a comment on that feed and know you are very strict about it not intervening in the scientific area and i'm not a scientist it's very clear that everybody understands that i'm a consumer and i have i care about the world around me the difference in my explanation is that hybridization is what it's called is where they take a specific plant for i eighties and they develop it through crossing with other parent plants i'll give an example how it happened in nature to me we had planted some squash and some cute cumbers together like they weren't together but around the same region and we ended up with a cucumber squash for a and it happens in nature so that but there's no it's different they're just there where they're trying to manipulate the plants to work in a certain way nature it would never happen in nature and they're creating in a laboratory and that's the whole concept and that's where the g m o started and they started to do gene slicing i should the scientists that were involved they start doing in the one nine hundred fifty s they learned how to do the d thing and then it went from there and then and bit into the eighty's into the ninety's and then she almost became infiltrated from that point forward and that is a question about the right of scientists to do something just because they can and more and more they're ethicists making strong statements about whether scientists should rush recklessly ahead and i think rick this is the word that i want to use several times in this program because we have very little proof about anything we have a going to solve famine in africa and unfortunately the gates foundation is right behind the funding of that so our concern very generally is going to be with the proliferation of g m o and i think maybe we should talk about it very specifically because it can proliferate both through the plant the term being grown genetically modified and they also can do the traditional thing and they can cross breed with other plants count yet pretty hard to get away from them so let's just talk about the products in the plants and the companies that are involved in this mama effort to change the characteristics of the and unfortunately monsanto's track record is very damaging and very toxic one thousand and one the actually they were the ones that first came up and developed the chemicals our official sweetener saccharin and  the soccer and was actually we haven't coca cola actually bought into that as artificial sweetener for that despite the fact the government actually tried to ban it so that's the very first product that they created then it went into the p c b in the  infiltrated whole environment since the one nine hundred twenty s and funny thing as people don't realize that monsanto actually had a house of a future display set up at disneyland and so what happened was is that the whole house was made of plastic the entire home was made  plastic and they were actually promoting this through disney and it was so interesting that they were people liking their product to families and so on and so on future generations then it got worse later on in one nine hundred forty s that's when they were behind the manhattan project where the first atomic bomb was created so they're the big player behind that creation then they were behind the creation along with the want of the other companies dad where they kids out chemical  monsanto work together and they created in sixty's agent orange and for those that do not know agent orange i highly advise to research it because agent orange is still devastating  vietnam but also the soldiers have come back it would twenty years later and have the side effects of agent orange their children have the side effects of agent orange and they were that they thought they were soldiers in the war but if you go to vietnam where it was sprayed heavily in the in the jungle to kill off any foil edge it's still devastating vietnam today and this is why this is fifty years later that was one of the big issues on led to some concerns about we didn't many decades has not yet internalized the notion that when you go into a garden center and buy a packet of seeds it's not what he used to get forty fifty sixty years ago it's something else this isnt it modified seat that was created the issue what happened was the only reason that monsanto got into doing the whole getting into g m o isn't doing and collecting the seeds and creating their own seed bank because they got a patent to be able to do it and that's the only reason because once you have a patent they control it they own it and so there's the issue with that as well so if they couldn't get that patent which if you look more into the other aspect of it the political part of it which they're heavily involved in there would be no benefit for them ordinates there's a huge issue with the u s patent office for granting those patents well monsanto and the and the american government is a revolving door for a and people don't realize that pretty much the government and th my words monsanto is the us government that's how big this company is they have people at the upper managerial levels who move seamlessly onan out of yannick and private business and anon and to off the supreme court judge he was he used to be the lawyer for monsanto right michael taylor he was also the he was a big player i think with president vice president monsanto  to see the aren't controlled by large corporations then you have no control over your food system or the food that you cruel and i was really intrigued by a quote from  when barry who is one of the great heroes of the local food movement when he says i think that the real reason for genetic engineering is to put absolute control of the food system into corporate towns they don't want anybody farm or urban consumer or anybody to have anything whatsoever that they don't buy from a corporation at the corporation's price in other words economic is the goal and i don't think the difference between political totalitarianism and economic totalitarianism is worth lingering over if you're not economically free if you don't have economic choices you know and those were the words of wendell berry who is very highly educated very well connected and he would do well to pay really serious attention to them so it's kind of hard to get away from this corporate control of our food systems it's not just the see it starts to come through in the process the these companies own what you say that monsanto perhaps is primarily interested in seat well they're interested in the control of the seed yeah they're going to control what seeds are going to make them the most money which which right now there's then i know there's many other varieties plants that they're controlling but it is not been not a popular consumer item so they're not putting a lot of interest or energy into that they are focusing their the seeds that they're focusing on are the major crops that are feeding the majority of our everyone to do is go and take a picture of an ingredient going to go to the grocery store let me do that today actually and i won't be able to i'm going to put that on my facebook page and people can go on there and tell me which they believe it to be g m o and then i can go in and yea or nay or correct it but people need to oil in it and i'm like ok seriously this is the gets gone too far so those are the worst because they're you able to use these food producers and they are able to use all these crops and make them work in their product  to keep focusing in on that because they're making money i think people are going to be asking themselves when i go into a supermarket or a grocery store and buy a container of  how do i know the type can avoid those genetically modified crops well my first thing is that you want to truly avoid this takes it to another level is you've got to make your own you you have to start to look for certain things right so if you're not sure some day only corn canola sugar beets which is pretty much any way you're unless it says otherwise cane sugar or any other type of natural sugar or so why vegetable  specifically it has infiltrated our food system or you know the agricultural system yet however it is on the table to be approved to be sold and grown here in canada and it's really important that people realize that with those see pan canadian biotech action network they have all that information their way up on all that stuff if you want to get delve into that part of it you've got to go to their web site see pan dot ca and go to their website new genetic process that they're doing we talked a little before the show to the notion or maybe it was the beginning of the show about the notion why should scientists do something just because think they're being sponsored by they're being pushed and promoted to do it they're getting these companies that have big money to do it hey we're going to but we're going to pay you about lack of money to go ahead and do that as one of the pieces i was looking at recent it was actually to do a university we don't seem to have very many independent scientists and him our government isn't hiring independent scientists to work for us the citizens and the universities have turned into huge institutions where they can make a lot of money out of research therefore that's what they expect their professors to do and they put very very little attention into teaching so it all starts to come together probably not a malign plot but in every single case as you said follow the money yes who is making money out of this who expect it's to do very well out of this center has become we want to have a corporation with that kind of an attitude and power and as part of our food system what are we going to do about this welcome we do as individual citizens we as individual citizens have to hurt them where hurts them the most is the pocketbook their share of the money and i guess i've been doing this for almost a decade now and educating and i started up the first one of the first marches a couple years back and one thing that we've noticed and it's been really nice the momentum is getting bigger which is awesome and they're being banned from countries all over the world they're like no right they're stopping monsanto i want to touch base with africa right there this is a you know a famine country at they turned away monsanto seeds genetically modified seeds africa has about fifty three countries or more actually now so better he has africa as a coincidence so can you think of specific countries i think the only way to do that is to say that they're under two hundred countries i believe in the united nations and there are sixty countries which have banned g m o most which means spending monsanto appro it's the gates foundation not one of the deep thinking or good nice ations in there where elvis had teamed up with monsanto and some of monsanto's groups in order to reduce famine in africa so we can't name the the countries but we do know that africa as a continent is targeted and the end result will be that first of all african farmers kenya i know is one of the countries one of the largest with staff as it best east peace to african countries first of all the farmers are given the seeds and they give them the chemicals the inputs that they need and then after a while they have to pay the market price for all the stuff that they need in order to grow those so called super crops i really don't know what's going on in india up at the story in india is that it's the largest inciden of farmer suicide in the world and it's because of the green revolution which predates the g m revolution so certainly the africa issue is really important if you give to the gates foundation remember that you are giving to some very questionable alliance that is correct you've got to look into the whole bigger picture here a people are in it to make money and i'm sure bill gates is probably i don't want to speak on his behalf that i don't really follow him too much  put my energy into that i do believe though that he probably does think that he is doing it i know a lot of people that are pro g m o they believe that it's to do well that they're there thinking that this is going to feed the world that's going to do it but they to also realize that that's not the case the foods that the g m o crops are being grown for are the fast food producers the processed food producers those foods do not those actually create starvation right now with north others are the bulk of the food production in case listeners are wondering about that if they're saying well what about meat what about this nut beef is corn fed right typically g m o corn fed you have to look around to find grass fed pastured beef which is why people advocate buying locally because you can go to the farm and see if the cows are in the pasture or not but if you're a fast food person you're eating corn fed beef burgers and you've probably got g m o's in the salad dressing and so on like you mentioned if you get one of those pathetic little is one of the un favorites of the food movement that has been linked to diabetes so i think type two diabetes and so on so you are getting quite a range of those things in your diet just by going to a fast food place yes and you are and basically any fast food every fast food restaurant is contaminated with g m owes i don't rethink the whole the whole industry i do want to say though that farmers markets people that baked goods and people all that stuff and restaurants are not immune to not using g m o to keep that in mind right so there are a lot of these for a lot of those that savers a food truck that uses o right for their product they're using vegetable oil right there is not very i've only met one food truck that uses grape seed oil and i had to for the lie about that was a long time ago it's probably expensive  don't go for things like well there's several things to say about corn and definitely one of the good things about a local market is you cannot ask yes and you can find out what compromises people are making and decide whether the sick compromises that you want to make that the thing to remember about corn too is that it is an extraordinary demand to plant and the more corn is depended upon it comes to mind to run people's cars so the more corn is dependent on the more land is alienated from growing healthy local food so this is something this is a message we can take entitle to farmers markets to isn't it now did you want to make some announcements at  that sure thanks marjorie we'll just remind our listeners that you're listening to c h l y i want to one point seven f m your listeners supported campus and community station based in downtown and imo but of course heard wherever there's an internet connection at c h l y dot ca where we stream live and podcast a reminder this is just a few things happening 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give investors and corporations the right to sue our governments if they decide that it's more important for us to have environmental protection or protection of our health and so on so anyway thursday seven pm at the coast room and the admission is by donation that is incidentally part of the b c greens two thousand and fifteen conference which is happening from thursday through i think sunday in downtown and imo so that's the b c greens just i just wanted to mention this mayor is a very active time for wild birds and you can help by keeping your cat indoors some species of birds nest on the ground and some have fledglings who flutter out of the nest and then sit on the ground for a long time trying to figure out what just happened to them and that's when they're very vulnerable to cats and even with a bell a bird that doesn't really know how to fly yet is not going to be able to get away from a cat just because it has a bell sometimes you might think that the bird has fallen out of 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good field guide and so on now be thing that we're here to talk about today is the global march against monsanto saturday may twenty third and perhaps i'll just reintroduce the show for anyone who is just tuning in this is changes and today marjorie stewart is talking with a view to char aka about genetically modified organisms and perhaps fida you could tell us about the march that's happening on saturday yes so three years ago lady out of the states a young mom she decided to start up a global group called march against monsanto and just prior to the start i don't think she really knew how many people are were awake and are awake about this company and so it took off like the very first where it was amazing and the energy that came in the global it was global it was just it was that as documentary and i have to say i'm very ignorant on the connections so i apologize for that but there is a connection i have information that i just have bookmarked look at later on and you can google that information quite easily that kind of thing let's get back to a few things that the consumer can do to educate himself herself about genetically modified organisms i was fascinated to see that listed on some brands owned by con agra and catchy owned by louderback owned by general mills all of the organizations which have actually been part of the  stop people from getting their product labeled so let's talk again about the labeling think about michael pollan who says read the labels if they've got more than seven ingredients in them to begin with it's probably not good for you list those are pretty much guaranteed to be g m most however there is other things that are side tracked or ingredients people don't know about and those are the ones that we have a hard time pronouncing when we see it you see that and you  take a picture of the image or write it down of the ingredient go research it before you pick up that package and then make your decision because chances are you going to be a web wide awakening to find out that this this is a chemical and it's got many bad side effects and reactions and so on and so forth so it's really important if you do not know the product the ingredient put the product back go do your research learn more about it the other  support labeling who really should be in full in supporting labeling of g m o foods because they don't use them themselves but they have been kind of timid maybe intimidated into keeping their mouth shut about the whole labeling process some people will make claims that there's no point in labeling something that you don't know anything about and people are just being hysterical and unrealistic and unscientific in opposing let's hear response to that kind of attitude to be but there there once are going to end up with poor health that it's their choice but i as a consumer want to know whether or not i'm having if i pick up a package that's got no g m o than or has g m o so i want to be able to make that choice now i do want to point out there is a company called the non g m o project and many of the companies that you were saying earlier that do support the labeling and they're behind it had invested a bunch of money into prop thirty seven nature's path which is a mainland company in b c they were a big supporter of it there also if you look on their packaging they have the non g m o project verified label and that you can look for is a little tiny label that's on the packaging usually on the front part of the package now that have years i'm seeing more and more of that coming out and it's a third party verification so what they do is they test all the ingredients to make sure that they're not genetically modified they're not part of that plant process and then they once they get the testing all done they've paid they have to pay money for this it's not free they have to provide money to get this testing done the companies do so they're going above and beyond spending when they're not getting subsidized by the government to tap the labeling which i think is absolutely ridiculous or is that these companies are paying out of pocket to tell you the consumer no we have gone out of our way to get our product tested that does not contain g m o the now we have that verification stating that well the converse of that of course is in the states where the u s department of agriculture has produced a kind of a corporate labeling policy and the reason that it's pro corporate is because the corporations have told the department of agriculture if you make us label our products we will increase the price because the consumer will have to pay for getting that service from us does the consumer pay for labels in any case and you have a company because you make chocolates and you have to pay for the labeling you have to recoup the cost yeah that's part of doing business and if i have to charge an extra fifty cents for it i will pay as the consumer i'll pay for all even pay an extra dollar for a product it's enough for me i'm investing in financially in my h well and so there's a bigger play i make i'm a big believer in voting with your dollar i think you're absolutely right and i'm really interested in the parallels between put happens in the states and what happens here in canada and i think we should be encouraging our listeners to go to this site and to go to the organic consumer site and in the us and which others non she and now project website greenpeace website also has greenpeace all over the world you greenpeace dot com there's there's sections on there with g m o as regarding g m o those another one is the institute for responsible technology is another really good source there's many more of those ones though  one of my top ones that i go to reference back to so there are all these people out there who are working together the guy saying the united states have come to a very interesting conclusion they've said we're wasting our time talking to the corporations that so we're also wasting our time talking to our federal government we have to talk to our states and municipal governments would you like to comment on that in terms of canada feet and there are many groups i have successfully g e free or g m o free groups throughout b c i didn't bring that information with me so i apologize for that but i can provide it to susan and she can add it to the podcast  and cities that have g free zones we need more help we need more bodies to make nine with g e freezone and i can't personally do it myself as only a few of us there are dedicated to making it happen but we need more people to be involved to help us make it happen jane one of the other organizers and one of the individuals that has been part of the system part of the whole march and the movement and educating people in going to different events she has been spearheading that website we actually have  so you can go on to that page like the page be part of the page however she got and many of us that have been involved in the administration of that page we just got tired of all the i want to call them trolls that pro g m hours the promo and centaurs r and we don't have our energy we're not putting our energy to convince them we're not getting into debate with a minute found that that was a constant debates that had to be blocked and it was just too much too much stress to deal with so anybody that wants to help admin that page please get ahold of myself because media is a very very potent full way to get the message joked and that's what they were talking about a combination of social media action economic action the stores and support for the labeling initiatives that that seems to be the focus for everything to support those labeling it initiatives but also to go off to local government and provincial in our case government and demand that they produce for us the kind of information that we as citizens deserve to her and get independent research before you start allowing crops that are grown and they were manufactured in a laboratory get independent research don't have the big companies that are actually behind the product doing their own research because that's what this has been going on there hasn't been an independent studies and those that did decide to do independent studies they were backlash by monsanto they were taken to court sued it was just it's been a nightmare for these individuals however on a good note and it goes to the history all make i'll make mention of this at the march on saturday is the world health organization but an massive urge to call on the greedy ant in round up which is monsanto's child herbicides and they are so one your most jordi of your crops are round up ready crops they're designed to shrink large amounts of say exactly how it works is they found living organisms when they were dumping their chemical and they're like oh light bulb went off well let's see if we can take the d n a of this organism that is not dying it's actually thriving in this environment and and we're going to gene splice it into the corn for an example and so now then they successfully did it and so now the corn now has this d in this new d n a from this organism that survives that so when you spray the corn crops with round up life will say it won't kill the corn it'll just kill all the weeds round it so it keeps drinking it and it keeps observing it as not killing it fascinating it's scary science it's whether you're manipulating nature well yes and it's reckless science in that none of these corporations are taking the time to do the long the really profound testing that is necessary to protect our health and our children's health and plant skills that our animals will none of them are doing that they just they say trust us well i think i think with her being there their history is not worth trusting i and that has not had a has not has a very evil destructive track record and this is what people need to understand now they're behind the food system no we need to start waking up as a society going ok obviously this company's not doing it for the better of mankind they've already the track record already proves that so why are we supporting it when are we as society going to wake up and demand this change is not what this march is all about on saturday thinking about the march and thinking about people be respect full this is a this is a peaceful march this is not a bashing march we have invited we were approached by the a new group called monsanto against miss the ny mo there's the pro science approach c m o or group that they started and i have invited them to give them the a little bit of time to speak on their behalf because i am not in it to make i'm not here to make enemies ray i'm here to make people become more powerful in their choices and to be able to start thinking and asking questions and and just taking control of their life back or a by making those choices that fit them some people that come to the march they might be like you know what we're protium oh right and they walk away that's their choice to make it's also my choice to say no i'm not this is why and i want as a consumer early i want to know what i'm eating so the the freedom of expression is fine but what does it mean to say well they're just saying that everything that we're going to be marching against and protesting against our signs that are speeches are all myths oh bring them on i have plans i've been doing this for a lot longer than these guys have been around been doing and i've been doing this for over a decade now i know my stuff so we're encouraging people to bring the sons of their choice where reassuring them that every point of view is going to be let us too where will they be walking so we're going to start off with the guest speakers at one pm at the plaza please keep in mind to anybody listening that there is a nother group using the front part of the plaza to be respectful of them so we've had to split the area so we have to be very respectful of them and not they're not part of the march against monsanto you'll see everybody that's part of the march because i will have our signs or shirts whatever but we're going to start off with the march we're going to go down the back side or in front of the port theatre around the port theatre cross of the sea wall or in a walk along the sea well all the way down to where the lagoon ends we're going to walk up to the comix road and we're going to walk down the highway heading south we're going to go down to we're going to head down to commercial street so we're and we're going to cross commercially commercially the front and then back around to diana krall again so it'll be very much it down to yes visit will do i'm like previous marches the very first one went from downtown and i'm out to what grove mall and then we're keeping it simple and contained so we have more presence after three o'clock somewhere after three o'clock then you can plan to go on to do other things with your saturday i just wanted to make mention of a book that to and ten to buy because i'm a great believer in print you can go back and use print as reference in a way that you can do with with other methods of sharing information and i was delighted to see that a couple of very respectable scientists and writers have written a book called the g m o deception which has a forward from ralph nader and it's actually an unthought of pieces by different writers many of whose names will be for to us and what i like his list of important questions that they're dealing with they're asking the question are cham food safe and healthy for us who really controls the power structure of food production why is it so difficult to get g m foods labeled in the us and we could say canada too what kinds of regulations and policies do we need because we do need regulation and policy from our elected representatives should animals be genetically modified for food and it's nice to know that some people still have the petition going around that we've been collecting signatures for the last three years for g m o the big guys the big corporations whether the monsanto or the food production companies like coca cola or mcdonald's or cal august they don't want the labeling and the reason why they don't want the labeling is they know once it's labeled consumers are going to start avoiding and demanding change and because these companies they when they provide to the european union when they send their product over there they actually they don't use the same ingredients they change the ingredients to fit that for to fit that country so if they know raise so they're doing everything in their power to fight it and hope that we're just going to remain ignorant and just allow it to happen so did labeling is very very important to make a change and to bring down the top of this pyramid power and if we don't pay attention to labels then we really come reasonably say that we're informed about wh ere eating and where using if we're bringing products into our homes and i've seen some homes where the refrigerator is just full of stuff to put on food there's nothing in there that's food but the it's full of stuff to put on food and obviously nobody has read all the labels on the because any of the stuff that they've got there could be thrown together in two minutes with three or four ingredients couldn't it oh easily i prefer my own cooking anyway i don't like packaged food is devoid of flavor and yes no sows just don't get taken in don't get seduced by something that promises to make everything that is going to taste better stickier sweeter and whatever flavor is instantly an addiction right there and they know it those proud that they do that to make people addicted to their product i notice that some of the markets we have people who are producing locally crafted preserves locally crafted sauces locally crafted various things that you might want to eat with your food even though as we still need to read the labels yes and anybody can ask me being a vendor a manager of a market i pretty much can tell you what should vendors are non g m o i have done my i've been spending years talking to vendors and i've got vendors that are making actually making a transition to non g m out and we need to say to the consumer out there too that you can't become perfect they are overnight you know you have to take your time go up to gradually and stick with it and before you know it you will be finding that things taste much better because you've got the food in front of you and it has its own flavor and its own taste and your taste buds will really really really do with great happiness it's occurred to me that i've never seen any claim that foods were being genetically more or crops are being genetically modified for flavor that's just not even part of the discussion is a well m s g is also a genetically modified pro write it affects the neurotransmitters of the brain it also affects the stomach and the ability to be full so when you eat it most people are hungry like an hour later after they've consumed a food with m s g and that it actually matters with the receptors from the brain to the stomach so that's the reason behind that the whole belief about eating in a chinese restaurant that you're hungry soon afterwards everything is part of great chains of development that have happened in our food show on behalf of our production team thank you so much for joining us