good evening good afternoon it's five hundred and thirty on march 16th two thousand and fifteen time for the town of richmond water and sewer commission meeting hello welcome members of the commission and members of the public and members of the town staff before we get underway tonight's agenda we have an executive session to talk about the yes before we get underway i'm walking through the oh okay agenda though potential contract with riverview commons the other business is a west main extension bormann water allocation i don't know if we should be calling it bormann or a brewery but for now we'll call it both we know what you're talking about state planning loan and water storage tanks superintendent's report review the budget and annual meeting any sewer freezing issues so we're gonna follow up on that approval of warrants has anybody had a chance to start looking at warrants yet any volunteers whoever jeff says and then the next agenda and adjourn so back to the top public comment any comments from the public yes please maureen can you hear me really absolutely okay with power comes responsibility how on earth can people living in the mobile park homes be expected to come up with the incredible fees associated with hooking on water andor sewer we the village people could not afford the increases in our watersewer bills and many of us live on our own patch of land thank you for that excellent question and that is in fact the subject of negotiations with the mobile home park so we'll see it's not lost on us of course that the mobile home park has a water system and a sewer system it's not clear that they can afford what they have as opposed to the alternative which is hooking up to the town so it's not a question of nothing versus something it's a something they have versus hooking up with us and the details remain to be seen if it's not affordable it in my opinion won't happen other comments from the public all right our first agenda item we have scheduled half an hour to go into executive session to discuss in fact maureen's comment about the potential contract with riverview common so i'll entertain a motion to go into executive session we're going to executive session second all in favor aye aye it's unanimous we are now in executive session we will be in executive session with extended staff including pete poshop taylor yates who is also a representative on the negotiating group and jeff and kendall for those of you who weren't here we were in executive session to discuss a potential contract with riverview commons i will now entertain a motion to exit executive session so moved second aye should we go back here since we have or are we still doing these did you say aye too i did thank you sure so we exit executive session i will just make a comment then return to any other public comments that we continue negotiations with the mobile home park in terms of affordability feasibility this is for those of you who followed this the full phase one two three extension of watersewer and we remain cautiously optimistic that we'll be able to execute a contract but we won't know until we get through the details of negotiation it really hinges on the details including costs maureen asked a question in an earlier public comment about how they can afford it the wild card for them is they currently have a water system and a sewer system which have had some deficiencies in the past and represent some costs to them so the cost of those systems compared to the cost of hooking up to the town we are negotiating the costs of hooking up to the town but we're in a position of not knowing what their costs are in terms of operating their own systems so i think it'd be fair to say it's gonna cost them a little bit more than it does now well we don't know that it's gonna be unfavorable it might be less more the same so it really is just a wild card that's the down card in their hand and we don't know what the value of that card is all right let me return back to are there public comments before we get back into the agenda all right so that was essentially the west main extension update includes that element and for those of you who know did the bond pass is there any news on the bond recount jeff a recount was requested late friday afternoon our attorney mark sperry says that there's no hour set for the end of the day but the common consensus is that a day ends at midnight so we're considering the recount request a valid request it was timely friday was the last day to be able to enter it linda has scheduled the board of civil authority to meet this thursday evening at six and the recount will start at six hundred and thirty and they'll do a hand recount to look at every ballot they'll see if it's a yes or a no come up with another tally they'll probably count and recount and check and double check and come up with an end tally and that'll be the result what time does that start the recount starts at six hundred and thirty the bca is reorganizing at six i thought we dodged that bullet well this is a recount not a revote yeah i know so it was a close vote clearly there were mixed opinions in the town it wasn't a hundred to zero or zero to one hundred so this was the next step jack what is the mechanics of this do they have to get a certain number of people that ask for the recount or just one person out of the blue comes in and says i want a recount you got it one person out of the blue can request a recount jack could you tell us your name again please oh excuse me jack flynn are you writing my name down so yeah are you taking comments on the i'll take comments on anything welcome to public comment revisited yeah what's your name again sir terry nice to meet you even though i've never seen you before i have some questions that i hope that you will answer a tough one and i'd just like to lay out some of those questions because there's things that i'd like to know before you sign the contract with the park and my concern is that longterm we may be reducing our chances to have a really vibrant village if we take on the park now maybe not for ten years or something so from what i learned recently from the state is that it may be very difficult to expand this plan for what we need moving forward and even though it looks like we have way more well capacity than we want to have i think we should find out if that's true what i learned is that under the new regulations with cleaning up the lake it may be very difficult to do upgrades on plans and if we did get the permission to do it it'd be a multimillion dollar upgrade so i guess here's just kind of a list of some things i'd like to know the questions about the mobile home park is the need real from what i was told from the state was that the problem is the design was a bed design rather than a trench design for the septic because about the trench design allowing oxygen in in the spaces where there aren't trenches is sometimes there is a problem but the fix might be to put in a new trench system either dig out the bed system or find a new location onsite so it'd be nice to know if we're solving a problem that can't be solved there or whether it's a real need that we take this on i'd like to know what the increased cost on the mobile home park users gonna be and the flip side to that is i'd like to know what the new current users are gonna be paying to allow that lower rate to go to the users down there i don't think many people in the village can take on what to me feels like a subsidy to support what might be a good cause but can i answer that one which we addressed i think in our last meeting which is we passed a resolution that we would not extend the line unless it represented a rate benefit to the existing users but see that's two different things i think it should be the same rate down there as it is for us in terms of one mobile home versus one apartment here those people should pay the same rate so if there's a deal i really doesn't know what that deal is and have a chance for public comment before you sign it i think all the terms of the contract in terms of length of agreement whether it's permanent or termed in years how future entries are gonna be handled how bonds are gonna be handled should be answered questions about the sewer plant again we do go over the eighty load of the phosphorus i was told by the state it could be hundreds of thousands up to maybe twelve million to do the phosphorus upgrade terry i'm sorry to interrupt but we had like one minute for public comment are there a lot more i'm sorry to interrupt but no i'll try to do it quicker let's see so i guess my real concern is that if we use up space down there we may find ourselves we can't expand in the village we can't take care of the future needs of the village the one thing i think to analyze is to look at what are the foreseeable future needs and i think we should hear from people like what's the future needs of the gate line what are the people that own that property thinking they need what about potential projects in the village whether peach wants to develop a space behind the rescue project whether they have an interest in developing can we predict how many houses are gonna be flipped into duplexes what's going to happen to the creamery is the brewery likely to expand down the road and how much reserve capacity should we be looking at keeping before we commit to somewhere like putting it in the mobile home park i'll stop there all right so it's obviously a range of things so if you have it in written format and you want to give it to us i can share that with the rest of the commission as well are there other public comments yes in the back can you tell us who asked for the recount friskie whitters thank you you have a question ma'am yeah i'm on the conservation commission i second some of gary's concerns particularly about infill whether that would make more sense from the economic strength of the village and also i have concerns because i live adjacent to the park and i'm not a big fan of peter brown or just to scrutinize the contract and consider things like the inevitable costs and other things thank you so we have heard and then saw the contract and sort of transparency accountability and that would be our intent you know the executive session is til we get to the point of a contract that we're both willing to sign and at that point we'd be able to talk in more detail so a couple of concerns and then just one other response it is interesting to me that in my relatively short time on the commission people have been talking about the significant need to get more users on after the closing of the creamery sixteen seventeen years ago and sort of get more users on now to alleviate rates you know we were talking about the basic ways that we can alleviate rates for the current users it's stop spending money find free money somewhere or get more users on to get more flow more users and so the mobile home park and the gateway were viewed as two different ways of getting more users and you write the comments reflect that there's somewhat different goals in mind the goal for the mobile home park is somewhat different than a goal of supporting responsible development in the gateway and perhaps other areas in town but kendall maybe illustrate again where we are with current watersewage capacity what percent capacity we can use and how far we are from that maybe just put that on the record roughly thirty five and at eighty you're required to claim for an upgrade so you've got is that forty five so not just one hundred of maximum engineered capacity we were less than fifty of the allowed capacity currently when was the last time we were close to capacity the creamery way way back which is one of the things that's driven rates again with a modest number of users paying for with a modest flow of paying for the entire system so there were some tensions here if we raise the flow by one hundred and fifty to two hundred and fifty users how close are we gonna be according to pete's i guess i'll say i can't quote that off the top of my head but all those numbers that are in the report is on the website and i think that was discussed in other meetings also i think that again i can't remember off the top of my head what those numbers were i apologize i was hoping someone would remember them yeah i know i don't have that with me but it seemed like we had plenty of room though yes correct so that's my question if we do have two hundred more houses two hundred and fifty yeah or two hundred and fifty is there more plenty of more room in capacity there was still headroom according to the report well the state told me that we'd probably have to reduce septage intake so that is one of our headroom capacity is to reduce septage intake which is voluntary not required so when you figure out the count relation you've got to factor in the septage intake which has been lucrative yeah i know and it doesn't affect the bottom line there's another back here was that something that's always been consistent yes predicted if we got closer to where we're reaching a capacity perhaps there would be an incentive for using less water there's no incentive for me to cut down my water usage right now because of the way the bills are set up and if we were reaching that capacity then the local users could really make an effect by putting lowflush toilets and have less use but i have no incentive to lower my usage i feel so high on the not the usage part but the other part the base rate the base rate yeah and all that's changed though yeah you know you'd have to look at individual bills to figure out the base versus flow rates and i'm not prepared to analyze any individual bill and there's commercial commercial rate structure is different from residential rate structure that's true so we've just accomplished what might be the west main extension update we continue negotiations with the mobile home park it's only two weeks or so since the bond passed and so we maintain cautious optimism that we can negotiate something that's mutually beneficial for phase one two and three if we're unable to do that we'll revisit are there possibilities of making this work through just phases one and two any other comments questions all right let's move on item b is mormon water allocation and brewery we have talked about this so maybe if you want to come forward and we can talk about why you're here and what the context of conversation is so if you could introduce yourself and what you represent bret hamilton stone corral brewery thanks for coming and thank you for having us here so where to begin the wastewater permitting process we're currently in with the state has been a little bit on the dynamic side things are developing as we all learn about the project and learn about state regulations we're going to need according to the state's engineers we're going to need more wastewater allocation than we currently have we understand that there's also concern about concentration of waste water from the treatment perspective and wanted to address that in part by introducing at least the philosophy and some of the basic mechanisms in our wastewater reduction plan if that would be a good place to start there are a lot of folks on the commission maybe back up and just describe the effluent of brewery and what might anticipate comes out of the brewery as opposed to i think we all understand generally what comes out of a residential user septic system yep so traditionally brewing is a very water intensive process there's a lot of cleaning that happens and in the past almost all of the cleaning water has hit the sewer drain in more recent times that's improved but this can include everything from basically when you're making beer the very first thing you do is steep grain in water and it basically makes a very sticky mess you run water through that into another kettle and from there into a heat exchanger into another so there's a whole series of tanks so you can basically picture sticky sugary liquid flowing at different temperatures from tank to tank throughout the process if there's no wastewater management either in architecture or planning in place then there's a lot of sticky sugary water that can get washed down the drain and it's at a very high concentration or high demand for bod basically capacity on the wastewater treatment plant to the tune of tens or even hundreds of times the strength of regular household waste could you just for clarity for folks what bod stands for it's biodynamic oxygen demand is that correct close enough thank you it's essentially the amount of oxygen that's required to metabolize for the bacteria and treatment plant to metabolize the waste into something that's less harmful less harmful in the environment and the reason that we're concerned about that is because we're dumping that waste into a waterway it's gonna deplete the oxygen in the streams or the rivers which is gonna basically kill wildlife and include the water so we want to avoid that so i understand you met with kendall earlier today to review your design and what would come out of it do i understand correctly that one of the things you do is create infrastructure to reduce both volume and density or the quality of the effluent yeah absolutely there are architectural or mechanical strategies there are philosophical strategies and then there's sort of daily operating procedure stone corral brewery was begun essentially in a sugar house where we move water by the bucket water and wastewater both personally i've spent my entire adult working life working in energy efficiency and conservation so philosophically doing less with more protecting the waterways and saving energy are all part of our core operating philosophy architecturally there are two strategies in our wastewater management plan well three actually they're worth mentioning here one is that we want to divert all of our high strength waste offsite basically to farms there are spent grains initial washdown of all of the sticky sugary mess that i described earlier all that has high value as nutritious animal feed there's another solid wasteish flow spent yeast and and actually what otherwise might be considered spilled beer can also be directed toward farms for either soil supplement or animal feed there are a number of different acceptable uses for that waste stream the architectural components have to do with the fact that the brewery equipment doesn't have physical connection to a drain it's not possible to empty a tank by opening a valve and have the contents go straight to the city drain there either has to be a hose involved or a person to actually connect the hose and direct the waste where it's gonna go so in terms of accidental discharge if there's any accidental discharge it's going to be on the floor before it's in the drain the next architectural in terms of engineering architecture our strategy kendall and i have been brainstorming a little bit on good ways to avoid what might be considered a worst case scenario something goes horribly wrong and we need to empty a tank quickly and a tank full of beer so in terms of bod if we can go back to the technical piece household wastewater has a bod of three hundred milligrams per liter just remember the number three hundred beer has a bod impact of sixty thousand milligrams per liter so if you go home in the evening and take a lesser quality fermented product and decide to clean the drain with it that content has a high impact on the wastewater treatment plant so strategy that we worked out with pete and heidi bormann and kendall was we're going to actually locate a five hundred gallon we're calling it a calamity tank on the site so if we need to empty a tank quickly it has a safe place to go and so that volume of material could then be stored until it can be safely either removed from the site in a truck to a farm or even dosed into the septic system at an acceptable rate over time nice there was i think one other strategy worth mentioning here those are the main things philosophically we're really into conserving water and reducing waste we want to redirect our high strength waste offsite to places where it's a lot more useful than in the city plant and you know we want to have a sound plan in place for unforeseen events this sounds great kendall anything you want to add as the operator just that this is exactly what we're looking for i did send out an email there was a lot of discussion about the high strength waste and the potential for you know potentially ten times or more than a domestic waste but as i mentioned in the email the current structure does not differentiate between office buildings or restaurants or any of the other facilities and a wellrun brewery can easily meet a one thousand five hundred value for bod which is comparable to your restaurant so the way that he's got set up i think he should probably not worry about high strength waste to begin with additional load if you want additional charges or fees to start with probably part of their permit will involve some sampling in order to check the actual strength of separate wastewater pumps in the facility and we can always test it for a year or so and if his operation is as proposed there will be no problem it'll be just like everybody else if it did turn out that he had high strength waste at that point after they've had their business chance to get up and going and get established and stuff we would talk about additional surcharges okay just curious what kind of scenario would cause you to dump a tank yeah i mean if there was a safety issue with a failed hose or failed valve certainly if there were a vessel of hot liquid that was leaking we'd want to deal with that quickly before somebody got hurt spoilage happens so if there's something that's just you know unacceptable from a quality control standpoint that's a brewer's calamity it's a calamity i think those are the sort of the major equipment failure and contamination you know if somebody drops the wrong chemical or something in the wrong place and it ends up somehow in the product with the pressure yeah so at a previous meeting we had approved a water allocation so the request tonight is this for additional water or for water treatment or sewage sewage so we're allocation so the specific request do we know well so the state has told us that we need one thousand one hundred gallons of wastewater capacity this assumes that we basically do all of the steps of brewing from grain to glass or grain to keg in one day because that's how larger breweries operate yes they're basically doing everything all at once with the space that we have realistically and the market that we have to be frank about it we're going to start out brewing one day a week we might eventually be able to get up to where we're brewing three days a week but we're not bottling and doing wash down and cleaning out fermenters and dumping yeast all at the same time that we're brewing so first of all i guess i would challenge that assumption that one thousand one hundred gallons is the right number the second thing is is what i alluded to earlier which is we have a pretty efficient process where we were have been located because of necessity frankly if we generate a lot of wastewater we have to deal with it our projections for longterm for wastewater are a little over half of what the state is saying so they say we need one thousand one hundred gallons per day i think we're fine at about six hundred for the brewery and then another couple of hundred for wash water for the tasting room we're already there so i guess what we need to come to terms with is is what's the right number if we assume that as i tend to that everybody's wrong and that models are bracketing reality somehow my guess is that what we need is something like in between where we think we'll be and where the state says we will be if we split that we ended up with about nine hundred which i think is where we are is that correct nine hundred and eighty five something like that so i think part of this conversation is about what's the right number and as kendall said we're open to the notion of metering and if we find that we're going drastically past measurably past what we're allocated we'd be open to revisiting it we just would rather not have to pay up front for water and wastewater that we're not going to use and generate are there issues with our allocation kendall and are we driven to allocate what the state has said we should allocate kendall i think essentially that argument will come down to brett and the state based on the information and whether we support it or we don't okay and if we had metering and bod testing that would influence future permits i would think so i mean at this point i think you're going to have to talk with your engineers and have a good conversation with the state as far as the state says x and we say y and unfortunately these conversations are happening in parallel sure so do we need to make a decision here today the commission i guess my two cents would be to get them an approval for the allocation they need if it turns out they need more well additional approval bob doesn't want to give them a blank check this is a question to the board and to you could we do an addendum to the allocation you must have everything you just said to us summarized in writing correct i do yeah if you could do an addendum to your allocation with the supporting documentation of that report with a clause in there that you would be responsible for any cleanup costs for high bod discharge is that something we can do i don't know i'm asking the question generally well it strikes me that the catastrophe tank is intended to avoid that right so we're not looking at a catastrophic influx heavily loaded so you have to have that in place so is there something beyond that yes no maybe don't know well initially the request for allocation was the state said he needs x gallons more in order to proceed with his permit you're contesting that our issue is that we allocate their formula that basically we're doing this every day so in other words we're going to be taking in and putting out that same amount every day that much and we just don't need that much sewer yes so that's what we would like to have addressed just that we don't need that much allocation and that would be measurable if do we know what's going in off the water exactly well we talked a little bit this morning about actually metering the sewer right because our sewage is gonna be a much smaller volume than the typical user with relation to our water consumption because most of our water consumption almost half of our water consumption will be leaving on trucks either to a farm or to a distribution yeah exactly we might have to revisit this down the road you might need more allocation heck yeah so i guess what we're looking for is something concrete between the currently approved number and a blank check so how about that one thousand one hundred number could we get a sort of conditional approval or a provisional approval for the one thousand one hundred if it's needed well how about if we did this a provisional what's our current approval remind me it's somewhere around ninety five or ninety six pretty close so eleven thousand additionally one hundred and twenty gallons yeah yeah it's not a big difference that's not a lot and then we can revisit it if it proves to be easier to just buy the water allocation than fight the state then we'll probably just come back and do that i mean let's just being pragmatic about it okay so kendall you know far more about breweries than anybody at this table are you comfortable with the data yes okay yeah i sent out a note to bart and the manager to that effect so what i have here in paper is graphic heavy and data light but i can provide the supporting data behind these graphs i think we tend to rely on kendall for the professional opinion here if you're supporting the one thousand one hundred yeah the issue is not with the allocation we have it i mean he has a pretty good case that he might prevail with the state because the state does use an industry standard so if we're looking for an one thousand one hundred approval and then we'll revisit this in the future when this dust settles so to speak how's that i just want to comment that i think could you state your name bob wants to know who you are i just want to say i think it would be great for our community to have a business like this especially the impact that it will help with the water and sewer and i just would like to see the board work with them and be easy on them because i think all businesses that come into richmond really have to jump through all kinds of hoops that's my feeling and i'd like to see new businesses greeted with a we'll work with you attitude from the board thank you very much i want to say i appreciate your good stewardship and coming to us with the issues as you see them and being a good neighbor thank you thank you yes sir kendall are you finding in metering sewer and waterwaste if he has a pretreatment permit in the industry they probably will require metering but i would think to be fair to him if we meter his sewer and his water and there's a significant difference we're getting a better deal you would be doing his sewer as we need to right so the water is the water and the sewer is the sewer okay so with that caveat maybe we put this in the form of a motion one thousand one hundred with the water and sewer meters associated does that makes sense it does and how it would cost to the system from the sewer meter he's gonna have a pretreatment permit probably from the state that's gonna require testing and sampling and a contingency plan and a whole bunch of stuff right and if we grow down the road that's going to get a lot more complicated yes and we wish you well yep life gets more complicated so do you need the motion yes we do to approve the one thousand one hundred if i could propose the motion would be to move that account allocation that sewer allocation up to one thousand one hundred gallons per day provisionally if not necessary it'll be returned if it is necessary they'll have to pay for it the state says they absolutely have to have it i'll second what he said sure well you have to do first at first i'll first it first and the second do you need further discussion any allocation for water anymore i guess it depends whose numbers you believe i can't imagine finding enough places to wastewater to use i mean if we use the sort of the city formula like if we know we need one thousand one hundred gallons of wastewater and then if there's a multiplier to get to water or actually it's the other way around water to wastewater we'll have more water than we know what to do with and kendall is our main big enough over there six inches so are we ready for a vote ready all in favor aye it's unanimous thank you very much i appreciate your reaching out to kendall and getting her done yeah i think we should distribute it to ward so we wish you the best and please keep us posted on your progress thank you thank you we're running short on time we have about eleven minutes and about twenty five minutes of topics can we do pete you're here yeah the next item is state planning loan water storage tank construction engineering gme ten minutes so basically we have two contracts from gme the first is the construction engineering the inspections and that sort of thing for the water storage tank that agreement is ninety nine thousand seven hundred this would be covered under the loan that was approved recently so we really should authorize that and then the second contract we can talk about is the contract for the preliminary engineering report that's required for the usda loan okay do you want these informs of motions one at a time well the first one i think is pretty simple because we've been rolling on that for awhile and there really shouldn't be any questions on it so the board of contract for the construction phase engineering for the water storage tank okay motion to infer and the loans are at it's all been negotiated right we were approved for the loans through the state the reduced right and was there any grants that came in on that there's no grant it's partial forgiveness partial because of the negative interest loans okay they pay us to use their money okay yeah we did get that yeah all right further questions or discussions on this one so we want to approve this how do we want to phrase this jeff help me out if you would it would be a motion to approve the construction engineering contract with green mountain engineering an amount not to exceed ninety nine thousand seven hundred for the water storage tank anybody want to move that it's instruction we've already spent it we just need to i'll second it i'll move it we have a first and a second any further discussion all in favor aye it's unanimous thank you very much that didn't feel good all right our second half yeah so help me out with the second half again if you would please pete do you want to explain that the planning loan we're in process right now applying for planning loans as part of that process the engineering agreement for the planning portions of that loan and i also had to put the construction portion for that loan together too right now i'm asking that you approve for the planning loan do you have that number this is the preliminary engineering preliminary engineering right so there are two parts of it there's a water and a sewer part and the water phase is five thousand four hundred and ten and the sewer phase is ten thousand four hundred and twenty five so that's basically fifteen thousand eight hundred and thirty five and that needed to be split up because it's two separate plannings one for water and one for sewer and that planning loan we've discussed before is a fiveyear no interest loan if it doesn't get lumped into the rural development funding who wants to be first not me on the money we just spent no it was close well we have to vote on it yeah yeah bruce i think you're set sure why not bruce you move to fifty you need thirty five big spender do i have a second second that's what i'm saying let's take some of that further discussion yeah really and that may come at a future date yes that's going to be part of a future date almost guarantee it when the dust settles all right any further discussion move to a vote all in favor say aye aye so it's fifteen thousand eight hundred and thirty five total yes the motion passes unanimously thank you pete and green mountain engineering thank you we are pretty short on time we have a superintendent's report the budget and annual meetings sewer freezing approval of warrants so do we need to set the annual meeting date today we're getting pretty close i think if we said the second or fourth monday in may that would give us enough time all right let's say the fourth mondays going to be memorial day correct but the third one didn't select board meetings we're looking at april may may the 11th through the 25th the 25th is memorial day that's memorial day so we're talking the 11th may 11th and we should just for the record have the time why don't we say seven hundred pm is that here next door the school i will have to see if i can reserve the library if i can it will be there if i can't it'll have to be here okay so we'll have to work more on the agenda for that yes let people know so we have a date anyway may 11th seven hundred pm any big leaks nope okay my peers are quite upset with me who is my peers are quite upset with me now i'm probably going to suffer for saying that yeah there are leaks everywhere but we have not had any more lately richmond once again is lucky lucky lucky jeffersonville not so much no everybody everybody essex and whoever sent that rumor around last week do not stop running your water yeah do we believe that the trickling of water had a positive effect absolutely we should put that out for the folks on the tv audience that trickling had a to stop trickling the water it's just gotta be warmed up a little bit how are we doing with sewer precincts actually we've had just the one foresting issue that's still frozen yeah okay we transitioned into that real quick yes so because of that frozen sewer we've made the offer to pump their tanks they essentially have a septic tank that once it raises to a certain level of pump pumps it into the force feed on cochran road so that it's all frozen we're fairly certain it's a power force main that's frozen and it's causing them the problem so we've offered as of a certain point that we were going to pump those tanks until it thawed essentially once a week for three to four weeks they had some costs to try to thaw their private sewer lines first and a few homeowners or actually two homeowners have said they want us to pay for those thawing attempts and pumps prior to us making our offer and that's really what's in front of the board okay did you review those deals the warrants yes but we're not there yet i know did you see as far as the email threads yes what these people had gotten charged yes i thought it was a little bit much for not doing granted they didn't fix the problem but it was come back oh yeah it's fixed come back oh yeah it's fixed and then all of a sudden and it's not these people's fault i just didn't like what i saw and i guess we're stuck in it i don't know somebody's stuck somebody's stuck either them or us and i believe it's a force of nature it's beyond anybody's control right and i'll speak up and say that we should cover them it's kinda like when it was an emergency it's been an emergency and all across the town and it quickly became apparent to most of the town that if none of the towns took the position of well it's yours and it's not ours it was just a very short period of time before all the towns and the managers and everything were saying just take care of a problem it's irrelevant whether it's private or public so any of these costs my feeling is the town should cover them in light of those comments might i ask that we bring that forward as an agenda at our next meeting to entertain that as a topic and potential motion do we have the luxury of waiting i don't know i don't know if they've already paid these or not what bills i saw said paid paid yeah i'm inclined to think we're going to end up paying them anyway and i am very impressed that the tone of the correspondence back and forth it wasn't it's your problem deal with it it was this is what's going on can you help us okay just and i'm thinking in terms of time so to get into the detail then we could have it organized and be able to carry it forward as a motion then the next meeting is that reasonable kendall may i ask you and jeff to do that it's not just the pumping cost there was also some plumbing work and people really panicked yeah there's significant costs here there are significant costs yeah kick it into the next meeting yeah do you think they'll do the same with that or should we do it tonight i don't want to discuss it anymore what else we had although we're out of time is the review to review the budget again i think we're going to have to kick that forward we have annual meeting set anything else from the superintendents report and why don't we pass around the warrants for approval are we hearing anything else from him just to keep your water running just a trickle has anybody here done a water temperature test lately where i do it every now and then my house is right close to the main we're running forty degrees console mine's been thirty three degrees three hundred and thirty four three hundred and thirty six for three weeks now thirty three see i've got a lot of water running by my house a lot of stuff logged downhill a lot of stuff downhill too any questions on these warrants david nope they look good all right i think we got through everything even though we were kind of rapid on the last couple of items jeff anything else from you kendall any comments on this all right if there's nothing else i guess we'll entertain a motion to close the meeting it's a vote second all in favor aye that was unanimous thank you