come to order for public safety first item on the agenda is chief seever our state traffic law enforcement terror prevention program chief order homeland security grant and we got it broken down into three components our new modems and wireless connections for any number of police cars as well as new computers for many of our cars we have that thank you sp put that in place so it kind up brings us up to state of the art as far as the economic portion questions anyone no match chief is this for houses we spent in two thousand and twelve or is this for next year it is assuming we get all the paperwork in order generally it takes about another once council approves it another thirty to ninety days to get that done as soon as we can we'll order it we are in the process of purchasing new cars as well so when we get these cars out we'd also like to schedule to get those in get all those in there it looks like it goes through two thousand and four to now so there'll be there's a two year window of extension there's no extension for the program homeland security historically has provided extensions if needed for a lot of this technology and our newer technology in the next three to four years on this case they're trying to shorten the window even though the signatory page if you're wondering we have mailed it electronically and they'll send it back to us so it expedites the whole process of events okay so is this revenue then what will be quarterly is it in the budget no it's not two thousand and thirteen this one is not it's created for it's t line or t i put a what i called t minus within our budget and we'll have a separate line for our grants and then have it all draw down right there on the t line until you get a separate fund it's called the m fund not the t fund t is for seating and you put all the grants in the separate fund because they're much easier grants yes so it's separate it's not gonna be part of the general fund you can't separate it in a separate fund and try to separate it okay any other questions i second okay all in favor aye thank you chief for that i have one more item to come before public safety i was just given it tonight it's a ceremonial for the month of october being domestic violence month and so i would like to have a resolution for monday night for that mayor are you going to turn the lights on tonight do i understand i don't know if they did it today or if the window okay okay great any questions about that group said those in favor aye all right seeing nothing else to come before public safety the meeting will be adjourned second those in favor aye we all agree we're adjourned sheriff call to order the finance committee for the monthly hearing concerning the proposed two thousand and thirteen budget as you know that mayor proposed presented his proposed two thousand and thirteen budget yesterday and everybody has a package maybe gary can go over that a little bit afterwards but we are calling for a public hearing on the 22nd of this month and i apologize i wasn't here i was out of town so i missed the full presentation is there gonna be another presentation today or is it going to be next week or was that it the what we called full presentation it's a summary of the details of the upcoming project the budget project securing reviews of the budget kind of line by line it's just the statutory evaluation for the public hearing on the public calendar did you get a copy of the powerpoint i got a copy of the powerpoint yes not the budget just the oh it's already on the website it was put on the website i can yeah i can give you a package i can give you a copy i brought actually a package for you it includes everything the powerpoint and everything and lisa needs one as well i already gave it to her she came in late so it's on the 22nd of october call for publicating all right moved second all in favor aye next thing up csca benefits trust discussion as part of the it's really been a yearlong review incorporated into the budget posted it today to the council we need to switch over to csca strategic benefit trust we'll shift and last year we incorporated roughly a million dollars in savings in healthcare and that again was done without any reduction in benefits this budget that was presented council incorporates approximately a half a million dollars in savings that is projected through shifting to the csca trust and again that is being done in a manner to maintain benefits at the same level and we have laura bilag here out from csa who could pave over just a quick summary of it and then any specific questions the council has because a lot of this is very detailed in nature that if individual council members want separate briefings they want a full presentation at some time then by the time you go through all the i mean it can take sometimes two hours or longer we just wanted people to start to understand the process that we're looking to go through with your permission i'd love to okay thank you as the mayor indicated my name is laura bilag i am the fund manager for what is called the csca strategic benefit trust it's a 501c5 tafthartley welfare fund it does state csca in the name it was csca's initiative although it is a separate and distinct entity from the labor union we are allowed under this filing as a trust to bring in the various unions that are represented in the city as well as throughout the state and we have a lot of flexibility as a trust it's also a labor management trust so there is a board of trustees with both labor and management sitting on it it's not that that board of trustees decides what the benefits are they just kind of gear you know and bring the trust into different areas that may be relevant in the industry as far as what we offer in the case of the city we were asked to come in and meet with the mayor the various unions and propose some suggestions to save the city some money without changing benefits because we do recognize that you have different unions within the county that negotiate their own contracts and have their own benefit structures we can actually take your current existing plans through mvp you have an epo and a ppo and i see you do have my sheet so you do have some information in front of you and switch that into the trust without as the mayor said changing any of the benefits structures as you go forward in negotiations if those benefits should change we can just follow suit and change them with the carriers so basically right now the city has an epo plan that is insured you already have the city plan which is selfinsured your epo plan though has twice as many members in it approximately five hundred and seventy eight covered lives or participants i should say what we have proposed is to selfinsure that that saves you money on taxes it saves administrative fees there are various components in insured arrangements versus a selfinsured arrangements that can bring money to the table so our proposal effective one thousand one hundred and thirteen is to bring it back under the trust again no change in the method of design convert the current epo over to a selfinsured arrangement looking for stockloss insurance and stockloss insurance protects the city because when you selfinsure you're taking the risk okay but you're large enough to do that but you also want to prevent any high cost claims so you have what's called stoploss insurance so if the claim reaches a certain threshold there's a third party insurance company that insures that claim for you so that the city is at risk for that high cost claim the other thing that's a little bit different but it's not a change of benefit is that we're going to carve out the existing prescription drug component which is now covered under mvp through medco and we're going to transition that benefit to a syracuse based pbm called proact proact has a relationship with the already international drug vendor that's used under the city plan canrx for the international drug benefit proact has a relationship with them which is a positive relationship because what they do is they interchange their data so there's what's called dur drug utilization review which has always been somewhat of a criticism of the international drug program because if you know the pdm and the international drug benefit don't know what drugs you're on if you're filling drugs through a drug store and then through the international program they can't always tell if it's going to have a side effect or maybe you shouldn't be on it proact and canrx actually work together so they do realtime dur so there's an extra safety precaution there and also by taking the planning going fully selfinsured everybody will be extended the voluntary benefit of the international drug benefits so that's gonna generate some savings as well or without being so no problem with the ninety day prescriptions being filled or anything nope it'll be you'll still have the same benefits as medco you'll still have your retail pharmacy network you'll still have your mailorder domestic ninety day plus you'll have the voluntary option of doing the international drug through canrx which is a ninety day brand medication only plan there may be and what we're going to look at this in the very near future there made me a very slight change in the formulary which happens every year in every prescription plan no matter if you change a pbm or not just because what does that mean that means like lipitor for example recently went generic okay so when you have a formulary pbm is a pharmacy benefit thank you you usually have a generic yeah if you have a generic it depends on how it's set up sometimes you have preferred drugs and then nonpreferred drugs anytime a drug comes out with a generic or brand name like a lipitor it'll automatically put the brand name on the non preferred column meaning the highest copay and the generic on the preferred generic the lowest copay so your formularies do change no matter what but we're going to look at this and talk with the city to see what the actual disruption is and you know we can do a couple of different things we can grandfather in those folks that are on those drugs that might have a change in what tier they go in we can grandfather them in altogether but any of that if you decide that you're gonna change the formulary which again would have changed anyways under medco i need to stress that because i don't want you to think that it wasn't going to change there's a way to communicate that and there's always a transition period so if you're on something that's going to go to the next higher tier you'll have like at least ninety days to continue to use that medication talk to your doctor and find a different medication that works so that's discussions that we'll be having with the city i don't see a major disruption at all so it's a really it's a positive thing proact also is very not to be redundant proactive in when a person is on a medication and there is a generic available to steer them towards a generic because it's a generic equivalent it's the same drug and when they need to be on a brand name drug they'll steer towards the brand name drug and if it's a brand name drug that's handled in the international drug program they'll steer them towards that because that not only that has a savings of about at least forty we've seen over the years to any employer that the drugs purchase internationally are forty cheaper it has stood true since the day we implemented it in schenectady county many many years ago so that will also produce a savings the last thing that i think we're pretty excited about is the wellness initiatives through mvp they have that live well work well program but as you may know the city has been talking mvp has been talking to the ellis hospital system about not only promoting some wellness initiatives but possibly arranging some initiatives with mvp directly for care meaning that you know there might be some arrangements and i've seen this personally out in lewis county whereas if you can steer members to what you feel are quality programs through your local hospital system or urgent care systems in the system itself you know you can not only save money in your claims but you typically incent the employee to go there by removing a copay so it's a winwin but it saves the city money if you want me to go step by step on the savings i can basically when you go from an insured product to a selfinsured product you have a onetime cash flow it's not really a savings what it is is is that you don't incur claims right away on your medical side your prescription drug you do because that's real time at the drug store when you fill a prescription they slide that card that's real time claims tend to come in a lot slower so you'll see a fifteen to eighteen cash flow savings which is just about over a million dollars that'll be put to reserves to pay your future claims an increase in the medical loss ratio medical loss ratio you may have heard in the press recently with healthcare reform that basically is for every dollar spent in premium you expect something in return and in this case for every dollar in premium what we saw was about an eighty i believe it was an eighty one of that dollar being spent on medical care okay the rest is administrative whatever what we're proposing is that we can increase that medical loss ratio to about eighty nine ninety which will generate some savings changing the prescription drug vendor to proact as well as extending the canrx option to the remaining employees that don't currently have it will result in additional savings reduction in the stop loss expenses stop loss again ensures the county for claims over a certain threshold there was some reductions in expenses there with a total savings on this sheet i think shows about eight hundred thousand conservative probably five that's what we're carrying the budget is roughly five hundred thousand or again as we start this up there is some transition it's a little bit unknown but there's a lot of opportunity to better manage our care and do some of the wellness things we're going to emphasize that we would still stay with mvp this really becomes a seamless transition in terms of the employee viewing this so somebody who has a claim in december somebody has a claim in january wouldn't see any difference the benefits are still gonna be paid out but we're going to have the opportunity going down the road to have better just review of our actual costs and how do you manage that how do you keep employees healthier how do you you know take advantages of what i will call the dynamic changes that are occurring in healthcare none of us know what's going to happen in washington election november what's going to happen in january but this positions us to be the most flexible in getting kind of plot our own destiny in terms of controlling costs and maintaining the high level of benefits for the employees and their dependents yeah it really gives us it gives the city in working with us a lot more control over your claims because it makes it that much easier because it's your you are the one that's a claim is a claim claims incurred you pay the claim it's not you know yes there's a third party mvp or proact or whomever but it really becomes your data that you can go through and find you know what are your percentages of diabetics what are your chronic conditions and then how do you go in with a wellness program and try to help those folks and then reduce the overall expense i have just a couple of questions to ask just because i'm not understanding it fully so i understand right now we i think just a basic perspective we pay mvp you know a premium they employ they ensure our employees employees get sick and we pay it as a bill we pay the premium just like your car insurance you know you don't have to do it individually what do you i mean jerry said that we'd still be going through mvp with it what are you bringing in what are you adding to that the trust brings in the ability because mvp has formed a relationship with us to reduce their administrative fees and to work with us closely as we work with our clients in this case the city to try to steer the population into healthier lifestyles better claims experience better utilization of the healthcare dollar so mvp is still on the backside paying the claims because it's their network they're doing the processing of the bill they're doing the processing of the claim okay so the mechanics of that is you know the member will still go to the doctor will still have an mvp card they don't have a trust level on it but it'll be a mvp card to an mvp network doctor they submit the claim the doctor submits the claim to mvp mvp processes it and mvp then bills us we bill the city so we're kind of an intermediary there and we also help in tracking that and reporting it and working with the city through their healthcare committee or however in the future and so mvp then takes that hundred dollar bill from the doctor's office they mark it up to a hundred a certain amount typically it's the other way around they negotiate it down okay so whatever they end up paying the doctor's office yeah we pay them plus a processing fee right you're paying them an administrative gain which we've knocked down from the current so what is an administrative fee do we know what is is it consistent or is it variable it's a consistent fee per member per month okay just so i can take a sum of that how much is that fee do we know roughly sixty we're going to be providing that final accounting number after but that's per contract per month and right now it's in the twice stacked range so sixty per month per employee employee member per member per month which is an employee per member we have about eight hundred covered lives just under two thousand eight hundred employees just under two thousand covered lives it's a family of four it's sixty for each person no just for the employee just for the employee okay sixty a month per employee okay and that's what they had marked up or that's their processing fee that includes all the services that's what they get paid out of pocket okay and then from there it goes to you right you are then adding up functionality in terms of helping send our employees to the right direction right choosing the generic versus the name brand things like that well that's the proactive component but yes okay and so then what is the with each of the vendors there is a built in administrative fee that will come to us each of the vendor meaning doctor's office mvp mvp okay proact so that's included okay so there's no additional charge so mvp is gonna get sixty bucks and they're gonna get a portion of that sixty to you yes okay yeah it's called i like to call it an administrative service credit we can't take as a trust any commissions so you're saving money as you are what i said before by going selfinsured you're saving on the insurance tax because when you're an insured product you have to pay the state of new york tax which is typically about two of premium and so we save you that and that's where some of those savings is generated all right so this is basically sixty per employee that's our total costs on top of whatever medical expenses anybody claims or claims use right claim and then you have the medical loss i guess the stop loss which is kind of the if there's a huge claim someone falls out of an airplane and it's ten million worth of expenses right i don't like the airplane but yeah but some high dollar metal one time you know unusual circumstances very costly that kind of limits or liability so to speak right that's a five hundred thousand limit it's a one hundred thousand limit oh a one hundred thousand limit per employee or okay ten thousand per employee and then what is the cost of that insurance meaning for us do we have an estimate currently your stoploss costs on your city plan which is already partially copay one hundred and twenty five per employee who participates per month and currently our quote on that are significantly less in the eighty range per employee who participates yeah just to understand and i apologize this is eric lentilla he's our senior consultant for the trust just so that you know who's talking you currently have stop loss for your city plan so this would just be an extension of that but we actually feel as we can reduce that amount drastically to bring in it's going to be in the forty range per employee even though we won't know that until we actually go out right now it's one hundred and twenty five right and so you said about eighty eighty something eighty three and change so forty less oh forty less okay all right so eighty plus to sixty right it's one hundred and forty per employee on top of whatever medical expenses they have okay i just wanted to bring to light too cause like we kind of glanced by it i believe our per employee administrative cost is now about double what you said this is in dollars right i thought that kind of got lost and i think that's important too absolutely any other questions just one more question is this a function of this trust would they be looking at an audit of employee insurance people who may have double insurance if they work at state people have insurance from where they work somebody works for the state somebody works for the city of schenectady both their insurers are through there is there a way to determine that a city's not paying certainly not twice but somebody is already insured under a spouse's insurance or a family plan is there a way to determine that wouldn't include that person that they're already insured quite honestly that's probably something that would have to be negotiated there are things that i don't know does the city offer a buyout currently yes we do we also opt the buyout to single members and to families they're not advised to take advantage of that but what about our retirees or maybe who have lost a spouse in their retirement and yet there's still well there is a thing that you can do which is called eligibility and what that does is it looks at dependence the state of new york actually just undertook a huge study unfortunately the results of that that came out then the governor passed the expansion of dependent students and then through healthcare reform you can now cover your child up to age twenty seven so everybody who took a walk had to be put back on but there are i'm not sure that we could find a company that would do it for you it's a very specific focused type of study and you know you've got you have some hipaa stuff that you need to be careful of but there are studies out there it does cost money i don't know what the roi would be return on investment would be for a group of your size but if it's something that you've never undertaken it might be something that you want to talk about considering the future because sometimes there are savings there i just said will employees be required to have reenrollment now too since you know you just talked about how the part's changing so are our employees going to have to complete new forms to get this new insurance no what they'll do is go through your typical option transfer period that you have they will get new cards that show that it's the trust but as far as reenrolling no because it's the same exact two plans okay so during the actual transfer period we'll be around doing employee information days and what have you just to explain the change of the administration but there is no change in benefit or plan we want to try and start this as early as we can so we get as much information out in what i also call this dynamic review of health care on an ongoing basis generally the unions have been fairly open and willing to discuss scenarios give better healthcare you know manage health problems better and just ensure the wellness of employees retirees and dependents is this a would this be a term agreement with the city trust or this is done annually annual grants we're looking to do it january 1st through december 31st even though i would say we're looking for a longterm relationship with this in terms of the flexibility there is afforded under this scenario i just would like to turn in my one thing as far as canrx is concerned right now you're offering canrx only to the guys who are in the city plan on a watertrip basis but now we need standing on a watertrip basis for everyone who's in that ethio plan right right you mentioned the unions that i mean does there need to be more discussion with the unions this would transfer in place so that none of this shift would have to be negotiated even though we have negotiations open with some of the unions and there's discussions on how to just better use the wellness plan through mvp how do you do things with ellis medicine that are not directly dealing with the benefits so that everybody still gets the same level of coverage but it's somewhat just the added discussion of how do you better help the employees how do you manage chronic conditions how do you avoid conditions to the people you know having an annual physical just staying ahead of the curve early diagnosis of problems or symptoms who currently mvp provides the processing who currently provides the stop gap insure that limit the liability limit insurance is that mvp as well or is it a different insurance company it's aii it's are you talking about provider of the stoplaws we're looking at renegotiating that as well if we can have a competitor's quote as less so we're seeing if we can maintain the current provider but if not then we will switch providers you have the ability to go out and bid it out and get just so you know there are specific carriers that only deal with stoploss it's typically not the health plan okay alright cool so part of that was where that number may vary a little bit where it's the projection is eighty three and change or something coming down from the one hundred and twenty so that may vary a little bit based on the actual quote but it's still a significant number of dollars on the table hopefully comes way down okay well we'd like to get it down by better managing some of this things you see the opportunity some of the stuff that jim kelly's talking about at ellis medicine some of the things that are in place with mvp it's all here within the community and again we don't have we've got a group that's big enough so that you can stand alone on it but it's still small enough so that you can do some of these creative things and again better control the cost i agree sounds like a good idea great any other questions do we need to move anything on this or we just i need a resolution to effective january one as far as the budget okay and so i mean even though we don't have the exact given given bid out the price well this would start that process they then would take a while to get the quote and finalize those numbers okay all right looking for a motion to enter an agreement with csea trust is that what we're looking to do yes just one more question before you go are we going to be able to see what the city uses as an existing plan right now like cost benefit analysis sidebyside with the csca plan yep we can do that you mean the sidebyside benefit comparison it's the exact same the benefits are going to be exactly the same not the benefits i mean the cost cost analysis yeah we can do the summary of that and actually some of it is it's summarized here without the cost being on the other side so these are the estimated changes you know you know like stoploss with the prescription change the medical loss ratio we're going to pick up the cash flow of the roughly fifteen lag in that first you know thirty to sixty five days the last benefit management folks that we have is what first niagara first niagara flirts niagara can we get something though that kind of shows our savings from this to this yes yes we can okay great i think that's going to be helpful because there may be questions coming up from other individuals about why this company and not that company and just so we have the figures and we're convinced it's the right way to go i mean i certainly trust what you're saying but it would just be nice to have it there too all right thank you i appreciate that anybody have any questions i'll move that we enter into contract with csca benefit trust second all in favor aye can we have that summary done by monday will it be ready for council i know again most of it's outlined here but we'll get it down so that you can sounds good anything else before finance committee just going to say did anybody have any general questions about the budget i haven't seen it yet i haven't looked at it yet it was my understanding that the mayor was giving his presentation again tonight is that changed i was going to do this summary again if you wanted it so that would be helpful yeah i too was out of town you say you got we got the powerpoint the actual budget proposal is a reduction in overall spending of three hundred and seventy eight thousand for a little under a half a percentage point cut the kind of second summary is our overall tax levy which has been fairly stable but there's been an upward trend in that in the proposal for two thousand and thirteen is thirty two million one hundred and twenty thousand it's a ongoing problem here in schenectady where you just compare the state aid formula our friends in state government you look for some rationale in the formula schenectady gets a little over eleven million one hundred and twelve million troy our good friends in troy nice people there are sixteen thousand people less in troy they get a full million dollars more you know utica sister city which is more comparable in size even though there's four thousand people less it's a full five million more and niagara falls which in the had some rough times like all upstate cities they get seventeen million it's a huge chunk above you know what ours is in the eleven million and there doesn't seem to be any rationale in that formula it puts the city of schenectady just at an inherent disadvantage looking at revenue items that increase payment lieu of taxes goes up by eight hundred and eighty thousand that's from some of the pilots that are in place and they ramp up each year so that there's a greater amount that's paid and it's also something that is because of the ge island dream that is in place the county sales tax agreement with the money for the demolition gives us an additional seven hundred and nineteen thousand our trash and refuge charges go up by over four hundred thousand our interest in penalties and real property tax projecting an increase of four hundred thousand the sale of properties that we're taking in foreclosure and doing the rehab projecting approximately three hundred thousand on those and eric in the code office we still have such a high rate of noncompliance from the rental certificate fees and just getting rental certificates in place the code enforcements and the neighborhood sweeps now we're getting better data on that better follow up and they're really doing a great job in code enforcement a full year ago we had tom wilson come in and reorganize that put controls in place better objectives put measureables there i believe that we can bring in so he's added all of that in a additional two hundred and eighty thousand in rental fees or rental certificate fees the outstanding issues from parking fines and related citations of the police department ten of that is two hundred and thirty five thousand it's a conservative number that number has grown to what's owed us is in excess of two million and i believe also with confidence that the police department with a more aggressive inspection on trucks and some other vehicle and traffic enforcement activities we can bring in additional one hundred thousand on that and those are primarily vehicles that exceed the weight limit they have like anything in life you have people who engage in a high level of compliance and then people who kind of push the edge and you get a lot od trucks that are overweight and are noncompliant they tend to have the greatest wear and tear on our roads and there's also a fairly steep fine structure in place there where the revenue goes to the locality so looking to be more aggressive in that yes sure three things the pilot could you provide a detail of the pilot breakdowns yeah we can do the full summary of that okay and the other thing for the rental certificate fees and the delinquent parking fines do we have a number on that in terms of percentage of compliance with the rental certificates are we you know i think in terms of measuring if we're at ten compliance we say hey we have a goal to say we want to get to fifty the complaints by one year eric's not here you know and with the delinquent parking fines similar you know we write a hundred tickets do twenty of them get paid or the rental certificates if you asked me that a week ago i could have told you the number tonight i'm drawing a blank on the delinquent parking fines the police department's grossly inept that we're not doing the followup this number's roughly just ten cents on the dollar that's what are we currently getting in terms of are we getting what was our current number we do i have that folder here stand by for slides right and that's why this is from memory but the rental certificate will get you the information in the pilot the other slide farther down may answer your question on the parking okay major expenses last year we paid our retirement bill in full this year i'm recommending that we amortize it that results in a net savings of about one million three hundred thousand again that cost has gone up our bill this year will be eleven higher than last year it is a substantial number that and we have no control over determined that the state total what's the number our total contribution for the retirement dues if you want to advertise it it would have been twenty one million for the ers for the employees and about sixty five for the police department that's what we have here do we anticipate having to amortize it in future years or is this just a onetime i don't think we've amortized in the past have we no i don't know i would like to say that we would not have to do it and it really becomes a component of the growth rate controller's office has taken a very conservative projection in terms of the growth rate of both the common retirement fund and then the police and fire retirement fund and as a result of that it passes the costs down to the localities local governments and just the retirement payments are a third of our tax money right i mean running the numbers here that's kind of an unsustainable situation i mean i think amortizing it isn't necessarily solving it not that i have an answer for how you solve it but it just seems like it comes to the rate of return and the management of that fund at the state level in some years the city's contribution is pretty close to zero where the fund was aggressively managed profitably managed aggressive may be the wrong term for pension funds but again now the assumptions there i believe are overly conservative but we don't have any so discretion they send us the bill we can pay it we can either pay the full amount or can they've allowed local governments this mechanism to amortize some of it so it levels those payments off a little bit and minimizes the impact of these years when we've had again double digit increases is there any interest associated with that yes the three for this year they don't know you know what is going to be for the next year but these are cardinals like in two thousand and four the city did the same thing but we ended up paying it back in two years how many years were we amortizing that's for ten years ten years you have the option of it but it's payable in ten what do we think we're going to run out ten years i don't know the answer to that probably in the three to four year range and assuming some stabilization at the state level then what's the interest rate last year it was three this year it was three so we want a good long cardinal they have that issued the number for last year but it's gonna roughly that range the post cost of the police department this year down two hundred and sixty four thousand overall employee salaries down one hundred and twenty one thousand our debt service is down eighty five thousand we see an increase of employment insurance by one hundred and thirty two thousand we're looking to budget two hundred and twenty five thousand increase for judgment and claims in our hospital and medical insurance again even we're objecting the half million dollars in savings from csca we'll still see a six hundred and eighty thousand increase in overall cost what's driving that claims and just medical expenses and that's why i believe shifting to this format gives us better controls and again if you want some of those more detailed numbers matt can provide those to you where we've just gone out for quotes with the mvp and other vendors the fire department budget has an increase of seven hundred and forty one thousand that is being done now with where those staffing increases would offset some overtime costs and getting the command staff in the fire department to be able to explain and articulate the reasoning behind those as we get into the individual budget reviews of the council so is that so what you're saying is the offset is not figured in here you're going to spend seven hundred and forty one more but staffing yes but we're not going to see these savings in overtime cause the overtime budget may get caught by equal amount some of it is and some of it is a net increase with staffing where we've done more in terms of the arson investigations i viewed them at twenty five and then obviously there were contract increases proposing a increase in the waste collection fee it's about thirty eight cents a week we are still not seeing the level of compliance in terms of our recycling we have to do in a more aggressive citywide campaign to up the recycling because when you do the recycling you reduce the tipping fees which drops our overall cost and that is something that i look forward to working with the council on to deal with that again that's the right thing to do not bad why have you on their fence maybe they'll sell it that could be the slide the two thousand and thirteen budget has a reduction of twenty two positions saving's there one hundred and eighty thousand of those again the swimming pools or individual departments position here and there that full summary is available the next page has really the big problem is our collectibles where you have outstanding property tax one hundred and twenty five million and there's an excessive two million out of the police department parking fines and other summonses we will have a presentation on some of those corrections techniques that we're looking to implement two weeks from tonight you have to schedule it to put in on the calendar the next page looks at the delinquent property taxes from two thousand and one through two thousand and seven the actual numbers there are fairly low on each year as we've sold a lot of those to atf and again we had some people clear those up as we went into the foreclosure process and you can see the balances that are outstanding you know beginning of this year we had eighteen million outstanding we're down as of the end of august we're down twelve and a half million people are paying those every day and as we go through the next round of foreclosures jeb how many houses are on that potentially taking back about one hundred and forty at the end of this month so there's another round that where we start out with a large number of houses people come in and pay up and if they don't then we're going to take the houses go through the process to convert them back to some level of productive use and hopeful that the you know what we've lost in property taxes that we'll be able to recoup in the value of the property and some of those we will do well on some of them it's more of a challenge but i believe that we cannot just leave the blighted property and pretend that these problems don't exist we have to deal with them one way or the other and it's getting that message out that we're going to be aggressive about this that we want to work with people and the council has been very sympathetic to owner occupied properties in those cases we want to continue that message we want to work with homeowners try and do it but you have a high percentage of this where they are absentee landlords they're property owners who i believe largely just should not be in the business of owning property if they don't maintain it if they don't keep it up and people who haven't paid their taxes for three five six years there's no other message that we can send out except that we don't want you here and carl this is a summary of some of the numbers from parking tickets so it's the ones you know people are getting through that first month thirty six thousand and some of our actual writing of tickets have dropped a little bit like some of the staffing is down some of the call volume has gone up in other areas so that looking to refocus some of this effort with the traffic enforcement with the truck interdiction in some of these other areas too again when you have some of the traffic enforcement the positive benefit is reduction in auto accidents you get a higher compliance for just vehicle and traffic safety and the rules and you get a safer city and then where people don't comply you have to pay fines and this is the number where we're again today sitting here where there's two million three hundred and some thousand dollars outstanding so in this bunch of predicts collecting ten of that which i hope i can sit here next year at this time and tell you that was a very conservative number gary what is the partial pddsim what is dism dism the one two three four five fifth column dismissed maybe partially paid partially paid or dismissed or dismissed yeah basically right in the formula okay it may be that somebody was ticketed at one level the court may adjudicate it and say they had some reason for it which was a lower fine for other things okay i just didn't know what it stood for the top great and there's no way to tag numbers on this that dmv could hold their registration like they do with i have had that discussion with people in the state we're looking to make that part of a formal presentation there are some mechanisms to tag your registration or your license renewal really looking for stuff that is more comprehensive that in the past where you had somebody who ran up a lot of parking tickets they would put the car register it in the spouse's name sibling's name child's name and we're looking to find ways to avoid that and actually hold individuals accountable the could i yes about the parking could you know in times past they've done amnesty which people you know they get an opportunity to get a break and they owe lot they'll come and pay it is that being considered at all we've done it a couple of years ago and the net result was not as positive as we thought you do get some people that do it but it's not this big tidal wave of people realizing their civic responsibility and all of a sudden showing up monday morning and wanting to pay we can look at that and get it some like we could do a more detailed presentation kind of do an analysis on that we're in this point more skeptical of it but more than willing to discuss it or look into it you're wanting to see in this slide is the total number of tickets issued so we can say okay in two thousand and eleven we issued ten thousand tickets and only you know five thousand got paid or did one thousand get paid or did nine thousand gt paid and i know of all the tickets issued how many people are paying them how many people are not paying them look at the one thing like when you said why don't we get the property taxed we put that list out in public access and kind of there's some names that you scan yeah and so we put that you know we may not run everybody that's got ten ticket outstanding while we're doing this but you know pick a threshold of a hundred dollars or more put it up there get that out the next page deals in property tax rates where there it reflects relative stability but an upward trend after the reval which was a new numbers were used in two thousand and ten in the two thousand and twelve year we're looking at a tax rate of one thousand three hundred and thirty five this is on a budget i'm submitting we increase the tax rate to one thousand three hundred and ninety one next page says a summary of the difference in using the house placed on a hundred thousand dollars assessment one thousand three hundred and ninety one page after that again water fund sewer fund and golf fund posing no rate increases in any of those the water fund proposed budget is actually a slight decrease of eighty four thousand the sewer fund projected expenses going up by two hundred and eighty seven thousand there's actually a bond issue that was paid off this year so there's more money in the sewer fund to be able to deal with that some of that's just the old aging infrastructure and again with the golf fund projecting revenue growth of approximately a hundred thousand dollars and no projected increase in fees there is there any i know in the past we've had the discussion of the laterals in ownership and we had not it was still a fine is that part of the budget there is a component of that that is part of this budget but it is going within the existing fee structure and this done somewhat humorously but this is the two tax cap sounds simple makes sense to me you take the prior fiscal year tax levy minus the reserve amount including interest earned multiply that times the tax based growth factor then you add the pilot's receivable in the prior fiscal year minus the tort exclusion amount of the prior fiscal year and then you multiply all that by the allowable levy growth factor minus the pilots receivable in the coming fiscal year and then plus any available carry over and that comes up with your net number and i will not deal with any questions on that i don't think i came up with any surprisingly okay thank you gary for doing that with us again if i do it again i look forward to the ongoing discussion it's part of the budget review it is a dynamic process and given we always look for ideas and concepts to try and do things better and more efficiently any questions not right now anything else to come before the finance committee i move that we adjourn i second that all in favor of adjourning aye aye we are adjourned alright i will call to order government operations italianamerican tribute mr brady yeah so october is italian american cultural month so i'd like to propose that we honor italian americans for my proposal as my last name being parazzo i concur i hope so extended invitation for everybody to come down next monday night free pizza everyone becomes italian when there's free pizza we should have people from the sons of i assume you're going to take care of all that get the information from mr thorne terrific i think the displays went up this morning too yeah delores scooly you said i think was going to put them up yeah great okay who's gonna draft a resolution it looks like there's i thought i saw a copy of one in here yeah it's here oh is it okay yep it's in our packet it's right here it said draft on it okay oh look at that as long as i got the information you already did it i already did it it's already been done you know about someone to move that okay all right i'll move that okay i'll second all those in favor aye any other business to come before government operations we adjourn okay i'll second all those in favor aye we're going to call city development and planning to order mr strikeland thank you the planning commission has held public hearings on fourteen developments and right now i'm requesting a call for a public hearing and on your memo is says october 22nd however i just found out i cannot be at that meeting but i'd like to have the public hearing on november 12th and about two weeks after that the four changes include number one waterfront zoning right now we have a current height restriction of thirty five feet within two hundred feet of the river and fifty six feet which is four stories beyond the intent of waterfront zoning is issued to preserving the character of the waterfront and doing appropriate development there was also to create some new urbanist higher development density there and limiting the heights to really four stories did not make sense especially as you get two hundred feet is pretty far away what we're requesting to do instead of making it require variance we're basically just allow for fifty six feet anything over that requires planning commission review with a special use permit and most likely at least with alco i believe they will probably be coming in with an overlay or planned mixed use district it's not definite yet but planning commission will be reviewing the whole site together as one comprehensive unit most likely so that's the first change and then there's just a few minor changes you can see there funeral homes changes not permitted nursing homes changes not permitted to special use permit and otb parlors i'm not even sure why that's its own thing in the zoning ordinance is permitted waterfront otb parlors the waterfront yes it's on the water a lot i don't know it's a water enhanced activity i guess so we're going to have an otb parlor on the waterfront riverboat gambling if you wanted it it's allowed now if you approve it item two historic district review when we passed the comprehensive plan in two thousand and eight we added in requiring review of any state or nationally registered property and new york state has come back to us and asked us to remove that it's a disincentive for anybody who wants to become registered basically and actually they stated in a letter that i think i included with your copy i have a copy is it in there no i have a copy i can put in your mailbox it's a letter from new york state parks historic preservation requesting that that be removed they say we would have to basically designate any one locally anyways to be able to review it locally for a start the third item i believe we talked about this already but we didn't hold a public hearing i pulled it this is just changing the zoning on half of a parcel on kings road does that sound familiar to anybody when i was on the voting board yeah okay it came up so in nineteen we never moved forward with it but it was they were selling they were trying to sell the building and like half of it was zoned commercial and half was zoned residential so they got variance fifty five resolves on the marshall when the fifty five zoning ordinance changed it somehow and split it in half and it took us another fifty five years to figure that out and it was same ownership all that time so basically it's just changing the whole thing to c2 commercial and the final one is just technical corrections one of them is off premise time and onpremise time at the same definition so we just have to add a word in there and the rest are just corrections of numbers that are referred to in its own ordinance questions thank you now i'll entertain the motion to call for the public hearing on november 12th 12th so moved okay i'll second that all in favor aye okay the other item on the agenda is this is disability awareness month so i thought it would be again appropriate to a resolution adopted okay second second all in favor aye okay there's nothing else to come before city development and planning i'll entertain a motion to adjourn i will so do i so second all in favor aye call to order claims committee i believe this is a quick succession claim yes and so a motion to go to an executive session so moved is there a second second all in favor in going into executive session aye moving into executive succession