let the world stop turning let the sun stop burning let them tell me love aloha the meeting of the infrastructure and environmental management committee shall now come to order today is january 25th two thousand and sixteen and the time is one hundred and thirty two around please silence all cell phones and any noise making devices and joining us here for the meeting i am elle cochran the chair vice chair of the committee is riki hokama and we have aloha and we have ms gladys baisa good afternoon chair good afternoon ms stacy crivello good afternoon chair aloha and mr don guzman good afternoon chair good afternoon chair of the council mike white is excused and mr bob carroll will be joining us very shortly from the administration we have director of public works director david goode good afternoon aloha ms rochelle thompson of corporation council good afternoon chair good afternoon and from our staff we have hardworking committee secretary raina yap handing out some paperwork to us and legislative analysts we have scott jensen and sitting in is steve seeley aloha and welcome we've checked in with our district offices mr jensen says everyone's present there so at this time let me mention we have two agenda items members iem twelve and this is in regards to prohibiting parking on portions of kahawai street in wailuku iem forty eight authorizing the installation of utility poles for the kahoma village project in lahaina and at this time anyone here in the gallery wanting to sign up for testimony please sign up at the front desk and it looks like we have one person signed up to testify and you'll have three minutes and please stick to one of the items on the agenda today and mr jensen call the first testifier please oh members without objections i shall now open the floor for testimony no objections thank you very much mr jensen madam chair the first testifier is carrie yoshizawa she'll be testifying on iem item twelve thank you good afternoon chair and county council members my name is carrie yoshizawa and i'm here before you asking for your support and approval to prohibit parking on the iao stream side of kahawai street more specifically it's the portion of kahawai street which is located between market street and makua street my request is being submitted to protect the health safety and welfare of the public i testified before you over two years ago relating to the same matter bringing to your attention my concerns over the dangerous conditions on kahawai street due to numerous vehicles being parked on the street and along the iao stream now that construction has been completed at habitat for humanity and the tenants have moved in the problems in kahawai street is constant personal vehicles large oversized vehicles company vans and buses can be found parked throughout the day the operators of these larger vehicles tend to park half of their vehicle or more on the sidewalk which in turns restricts access for those walking on kahawai street with the lane of travel in kahawai street being so narrow and limited and now the sidewalk blocked it potentially puts those individuals in a situation where they may have to go and walk on the busy narrow roadway because these parked vehicles are restricting complete and open access to the sidewalks kahawai street is busy i've seen it grown over the years over the past several years and more recently i've had many close calls on that roadway with my kids in the car i've seen cars nearly exchanging side view mirrors because that's how close they're getting at times i found that traffic backs up onto the busy market street because those vehicles are attempting to turn left onto kahawai street can't make that left because there's already two or three vehicles waiting for the car coming in the opposite direction to come through there just isn't enough room for those vehicles i would like to thank council member mike victorino as he came out with an analyst for onsite inspection of the area in question and had met with the residents on this safety issue they truly appreciate and remember his efforts to help them regarding their safety concerns thank you for allowing me to provide public testimony before you today and again i ask for your support to prohibit parking on kahawai street along the iao stream i am hear and available to answer any questions you may have thank you thank you and thank you for your time to testify members any need for clarification of the testifier seeing none thank you again for your time are there any other testifiers in the gallery madam chair no one is currently signed up thank you mr jensen we'll check in with the district offices in hana ms lono anyone there to testify ms lono hana are we on good afternoon chair this is joan lono in hana and there is no one waiting to testify thank you ms lono on lanai ms fernandez anyone there to testify good afternoon chair this is denise fernandez on lanai and there is no one waiting to testify thank you ms fernandez and on molokai ms alkhan anyone there to testify good afternoon chair this is ella alkhan on molokai and there is no one here waiting to testify thank you ladies for being there at this time members seeing no one here in the gallery to further testimony or in district offices with no objections i shall now close public testimony thank you very much and ladies thank you for being there so members let's jump into our first item i e m twelve and this is parking on kahawai street wailuku and this is county communication one thousand three hundred and thirty from council member mike victorino who referred this matter prohibiting parking on kahawai street from market to makua lane in wailuku and the correspondence is dated january 19th two thousand and sixteen from michael p victorino presiding office in protempor transmitting proposal entitled a bill for an ordinance amending the traffic code of the county of maui to prohibit parking on portions of kahawai street in wailuku maui hawaii and the purpose of this proposed bill is to prohibit parking on the south side of kahawai street between market street and makua street where indicated by signs to eliminate unsafe traffic conditions and we can pass this bill on first reading with or without revisions and also consider filing of this county communication members the transmittal dated twenty we have a transmittal dated january 12th also from director of public works and the director attaches a public works commission recommendation from december 16th two thousand and fifteen in support of the bill and transmittal further comments on some of the nonsubstantive housekeeping matters included in the proposed bill and i as the testifier mentioned i would like to thank council member victorino for his persistence in getting this bill before this committee as well as legislative analyst jordan molina and his efforts in drafting this proposed bill so members with that i'll turn the floor over to director good but before that let me recognize council member bob carroll has joined us aloha mr carol okay and now director good the floor is yours okay thank you chair good afternoon good afternoon chair members david good here at director department of public works and i wanna thank our members of the public for persevering on this our staff worked with actually a former staff jordan molina for the committee councilman victorino to identify some areas where parking could be allowed along kahawai between market and makua and they've identified a couple areas one is and these areas are tight and if you've been up in kahawai you know there's not much room so we were shooting for a minimum of nine foot travel lanes and then squeezing out where we can squeeze in seven feet wide of parking so if it met that criteria that would be okay for that street and we identified a couple areas so as you're heading malcolm on the lefthand side along the stream basically more or less fronting the new habitat for humanity project there's room there for i'm going to say four to six cars and then going farther malka as the road and the stream start to diverge there's a kind of a triangular area in there where there's again four to six seven cars perhaps can fit in that area and that way it would still leave us nine foot travel lanes for twoway traffic room for folks to park so that's what was presented this was worked on internally then presented the public works commission that recommended approval the bill also contains a lot of housekeeping changes to our no parking ordinance the ordinance includes all the districts of maui where parking is prohibited in certain manners and so there's a lot of housekeeping that was done in that bill so we're supportive of that we did note a couple other items that could be amended and it's something we could actually do later chair if the committee desires or something we try to squeeze in at this time and that's noted on my communication and that summarizes where we're at thank you director and members yes do you have a open for discussion chart or map for us chair that visually shows all the verbal recommendations madame chair does the back of the handout explained that director good yeah this was on the january 12th communications from our department it was just put on the desk so you might not have picked it up yet no the final back page has a diagram and unfortunately member victorino was not here with us today to go over this but i'm sure we're well aware that he is in very much support of this measure at this time does everyone have the drawing we'll take a brief recess to the call of the chair aloha will the infrastructure and environmental management committee please reconvene and thank you for that brief recess and would you like to go through a little bit basically why we recessed and we can go through it in a little more detail but real quickly in the entire ordinance there's more than just the kahawai street that we're discussing so corporation council had gone through to basically do clean up language i guess so to speak make it more clear concise for example an area in hana it used to say one hundred and forty feet fronting helene hall now that one hundred and forty feet has been taken out to just say prohibited parking in front of helene hall the distance in the front of helene hall so don't need the wordiness of the particular footage it's saying the same thing but just in a more simpler layman's language and it goes through the entire ordinance doing that making sure the correct hawaiian spelling of streets are corrected east north and things of that nature so really i guess corporation council felt that it was a lot of more housekeeping and didn't have to be put into motions and made into votes taken on the floor to do these adjustments but we can go through it line by line if need be at this time though i'll open the floor up for discussion in regards to the kahawai discussion here with director good and i think we whoever has been in my committee before recalls discussing this in the past couple of years as testifier has said we've been really trying to figure out how this is all going to blend in well with the community and the use of this road so floor is now open for discussion and questions if you have from our department mr guzman thank you chair and i also would like to thank mr victorino for proposing the changes along with the department my question is i believe mr good mentioned that there were sections of the street that could have parking is that also indicated in the amended ordinance or is that something that needs to come in later director thank you chair so memember guzman you're talking about kahawai yes yes yeah so the way we've worded it is to say the no parking where prohibited by signs that way it'll allow parking in between those signs okay so we'll have the arrow saying no parking this way but it'll allow okay parking in the other direction okay thank you and i guess my other questions would be for the other sections can i ask that question sure go ahead on a number twenty five as amended it's deleting the school hours and just amending it to school days so does that mean that anytime it's a school day the entire day is off limits for parking it appears in the original ordinance it gave hours where in you you can't park between certain hours and now you're just saying school days so i just would like to have that clarified is that when it's a school day the entire day and night is prohibited by parking sorry mr guzman what item is this oh it would be number as amended twenty five in the original is number twenty seven because i'm looking at one that says during school days as prohibited by signs yes correct so they take off the hours but it says the prohibited by signs so obviously the signs will dictate when the prohibitions occur as the sign will state put up by public works yeah and my question is well i guess does this sign does it mean that when it's a school day monday through friday the entire day and night are prohibited because in the original you're actually have hours set between seven hundred am and eight hundred am and between one hundred and thirty and two hundred and thirty are prohibited parking times so are the signs will they have specific times on them because you're deleting that part of the designation of it thank you director did you have a comment or corporation counsel the reason for that new language thank you chair my understanding is that the signs do have the times on them and that it's easier to respond to the change in school day such as wednesdays are early out but i believe that the time changed slightly so it's easier to respond to change the sign to reflect the hours that the students are going to be in the vicinity or when it's only one way and that kind of thing can i have a follow up question on sure mr guzman yes just maybe for corporation counsel how will enforcement be conducted if it's not indicated in the ordinance on the times and then if you have a very vague sign how is notice going to be given to the general public on when not to park there the signs would have to be specific as to the times okay but you're saying if it changes and school hours do change they're not consistent throughout three years two years whatever it may be that would mean that we would have to go back and change the signs i assume we would need to change the signs if it was a very large deviation if it fell between the hours then maybe we wouldn't change it if it was fifteen minutes within the time period that was needed for the safety of the kids i would assume that it would be less expensive for us to change an ordinance than it would be to change all the signs if the department of education ever changed their hours of operation i don't know because i think a couple of years ago pomakai had their days early release on wednesdays and then now i believe on friday so it changes you never know i just wanted to see if there's a way to work that out without causing too much problems go ahead corporation council you'd have to change if you wanted the specific times in the ordinance you'd also have to reflect it on the signs you'd have to do both versus if there's a change like you said at one school one day if you have in the ordinance that at school days as on the posted signs then you had changed the times on the signs yes are you okay mr guzman kind of getting it or not really okay yes mr hokama quickly chair i can be in support of the requests regarding the kahawai street in happy valley i understand that area well and so i can be right to air on a pedestrian safety and a resident safety versus vehicular convenience regarding the other things such as what mr guzman brought up i liked the specificity of hours in the ordinance and i've been around long enough that somebody's gonna say hey there was no sign when i was there why are you tagging me why are you doing this reliance on signage i rather rely on law and so i rather retain the language as is in the current code thank you thank you mr hokama memembers any discussion as i understand that change i guess the determination with the sign versus what's in the language the sign is going to it's stating during school days school hours but here are the hours on these signs in front of the school these are the hours that were prohibiting parking and i know for me in lahaina areas where we know you're not supposed to park in certain places it makes the most sense but until we had put up a sign the police officers could not cite these cars so that which was what the department told my office so that is why i had to call their public works to go and put up tow away zone signs no parking from here to corner signs or whatever the case may be and that was what i so for me i know that i'm told signs need to go up in order for people of enforcement to cite is how i've been told by department in lahaina anyways so but i understand memembers i had to ask the question if we were going off topic but we're not because i know the intent of today's meeting is prohibiting parking on kahawai street and it seems like we're all good about that part of it then we go into the ordinance and it lists every other district in this entire county and then this is where mr molina and i believe mr hopper though had worked on this and signed off on it at the time too so he is unfortunately not here but ms rochelle thompson is picking that up and thinking a lot of housekeeping type items so members we can make that call though if we want to leave that part in by all means we have that right so yes mr hokama i would just have you consider chair since i assume there's more of a consensus i'm happy to make the appropriate motions to move up kahawai street consideration and if we need more work on the socalled housekeeping approach that we use another meeting to work on the remaining concerns but i'm happy to have initial concern why are we here to move forward to the council process okay mr jensen yes madam chair hearing the consensus of the members one appropriate which is to be in modify the recommendation to just handle the insertion of that new item labeled in this proposed bill as item forty three and limit any nonsubstantive changes to just the appropriate numbering changes and just as this item is labeled parking on kahawai street filed this item and then let housekeeping changes in a separate bill be proposed at a future time okay very good thank you director yeah all good sounding good okay sure yeah very good mr hakama i'm happy to make the motion to implement that second okay all right second it's been moved by mr hokama and seconded by mr guzman and any further discussion seeing none all those in one question yes mr hokama is your staff recommending other communications also as part of the main motion at this time it wasn't necessarily a recommendation just a comment but as the item is specific to parking on kahawai street it appears to then have a secondary bill coming with housekeeping changes islandwide that would perhaps be more appropriate for a separate communication okay and then filing of the appropriate communications chair okay as part of the motion okay and filing of communication all right members any further discussion needed at this point seeing none all those in favor say aye aye any opposed no opposed motion carries with six ayes one excused and zero no's okay and we'll be bringing up the rest of this discussion on another item and work on that thank you very much members and next item is authorizing the installation of utility poles for the kahoma village project in lahaina iem forty eight and this is county communication fifteen thousand three hundred and three from director of public works transmitting a proposed resolution entitled resolution granting permission to place utility poles along a public highway for kahoma village project and the purpose of this proposed resolution is to authorize the installation of ten utility poles by stanford card development llc for the kahoma village project the ten utility poles to be installed will replace eight existing poles and will exceed the height of the existing poles by more than five feet and at this point i shall turn the floor over to public works director good for some discussion thank you chair first of all i did a handout today this eleven by seventeen site plan showing where the new poles would be along front street as you may recall kahoma village came in for a 201h approval a year year and a half ago they're finalizing their improvement package and designs and going through that process they worked with valley electric and their electrical consultant to move the poles from where they currently are inward towards the project in doing that and accounting for the new driveways the other pole heights along this area of front street existing utilities on the polls et cetera it was determined that they would need a couple extra poles plus relocating the eight inward in fact they'll be located in a road widening lot that's currently gonna move them into their property which is going to be dedicated back to us so the question came to us is do they need council approval or not and so the ordinance wasn't really clear on this particular case but we thought it best that i certainly call it best that we come to council with it because we are adding a couple poles and they are certainly higher even though they are going to private property which will become public property so anyway again because of the spacing related to the driveways poles that are across the street that they need to feed to et cetera as determined that they needed a couple extra polls my understanding is the pole height will match that a little farther north on the other side of the stream so as you go down past safeway it's the same height as those polls this just happens to be an older section i was in in front of vacant land and if you have any very technical questions the project engineering electrical consultants are here from ecm okay thank you director and members this is the company who is installing the poles director or your department no they're the companies electrical designers so oh okay they worked with valley electric to come up with the spacing plan and i'm sure they tried to minimize number of polls because polls are money so in order to facilitate the project and these other needs that's what they upped the minimum required and valley electric approved it okay members would you like the resource people to come down for some questions i think mr good can answer okay yes mr hokama i just want to know so all the poles being part of the request director all is street light pole and power poles or just power poles well i think what they're going to do is they'll mount the streetlights on the pole so the notes here that they have so are we going to have more lighting then along front street is that a good assumption on our part i believe so but i think that's when i need the electrical consultants to oh okay respond to maybe it's fine we can have the consultant respond to those questions chair please okay gentlemen would you like to come and join us down here for some questions on i guess lighting on the polls yeah you can come to the podium thank you so director i guess undergrounding was never asked undergrounding of utilities i believe they received an exemption in the 201h for the undergrounding oh okay cause it's costly i know it adds cost to the project but this portion of the code where it talked about either adding poles or adding heights was not a requested exemption at the time probably because they didn't know at that time okay thank you and thank you gentlemen if you can just introduce yourselves and tell us who you represent mark rickard with ecm incorporated we're the electrical consultants for this project aloha gerald kuda the same thank you okay did you hear the question or mr hokama would you like to repeat yeah so gentlemen tell us with this request you have what ten eleven poles all of them will be a power poles with street lights attached to it not all of them most of the street lights would be on poles that are fronting intersections there's not much out there now so it probably would be more lighting if that's what you're asking but it's not as if we're putting lights on all ten poles okay okay i know for some lighting means security so some viewed as a good thing it does but we also get objections from homeowners like across the street that's why yeah my thing is with the lighting scheduled with this request do you feel it will bring more intensity of lighting you know we do have a street lighting ordinance and the shooting requirements those kinds of things for night skies quality so can you give us how you're approaching is this is just to maintain the existing illumination or you trying to bring better clarity so there's a stronger white light presence so easier detection of colors and negative factors not necessarily the light out there now is limited the lights we'd be adding on the utility poles like i said would be for county standard and at intersections not necessarily light the whole road and area the lights used will be meco standard because it is county street so in that area be one hundred and fifty watt i believe hps their normal full cutoff cobraheads and then the spacing we just making a summary the spacing between the poles is what the utility is recommending to you as the consultant to the project correct okay thank you very much chair you're welcome mr hokama memembers any further questions yes mr guzman oh thank you chair i just want to follow up on the line of questioning with mr hokama on the lighting poles that according to the map it looks like there's three over here but it's pointing to a circle and an x is the circle the electrical pole and the other one is the lighting pole there's an x and circle i don't know if you have a copy of the map this says relocated power pole increased pole height and add streetlight so are these the approximate locations that the streetlights will that's a separate pole for the streetlight no the streetlight would be on the meco utility poles okay so then what is the x and the circle so every time there's a box that says pole height and street light it points to two a circle and an x i believe it's pointing to the pole it's replacing oh okay so the x is the replacement the removal right right so the red line is the old line that's been removed okay and the black line behind it well there's a property line is in black too but behind that would be the poles the utility poles okay so then i guess the black line that is pointing to those one two those three areas are where the streetlights will be located correct okay thank you thank you mr guzman members any further questions of the gentleman here see none gentlemen thank you thank you for being here and taking your time thank you and if you look at that top photo on the handout from director good this area is very dark it's unlit in the evenings and it'll definitely make it a lot safer mr hokama with the extra lighting coming in and the polls those polls have been there forever and they're kind of in the way oh i'm sorry chair yeah i just have another question that popped up the new poles that are coming up the new material that they're going to be using is what are they going to replace it with wood again or wood yes it looks like wood their nodding their head yes it's the same yes wood wood oh okay yeah thank you thanks and i've had comments because the polls the existing polls are kind of in the sidewalk and they kind of one of them actually goes out onto the asphalt of the roadway and that one in particular just to share a real quick short story my brother ran into it and then he's like what why did you drive into it and the boy goes why did things stay in the way he's like he wasn't wrong the poll is wrong it's in the road so okay okay but so yes it will be everyone will be happy to move the post out of the roadways chair there's a good chance your brother owns that pole no or he insurance company he doesn't want it so members i think this is a good added infrastructure for this area of town which is definitely been neglected for a long time and i know this project has its pros and cons from this community but overall it is a 201h and is pushing forward and currently unfortunately it is at a standstill due to some water issues but other than that it looks like mr carr is moving forward with whatever infrastructure he can put forward at this time in order to make it happen when water permits and whatever else he needs to address did you have any further yes director good yeah ms thompson here noted something we probably should have seen in the handout that i provided actually talks about eight relocated poles and three new poles for a total of eleven and about the resume mentions ten so i looked at the ecm folks up here is eleven the better number to use eleven if we go with the higher number it only ends up being ten were covered as well so chair i'd like to note that okay so it's actually to install eleven new utility poles no no no is that correct ms thompson it's eight and three right on the front street eight existing oh it looks like it yeah yeah so it'd be eight relocate and three new eight relocating and three new okay and so we'll make note of that in the new resolution okay good good eye ms thompson all right members do we have further discussion your recommendation please thank you i will entertain a motion to recommend adoption of the proposed resolution with i guess changes amendments in the utility count entitled resolution granting permission to place utility poles along a public highway for the kahoma village project and incorporating any nonsubstantive revisions and filing of county communication fifteen thousand three hundred and three so moved chair second thank you it's been moved by mr hokama and seconded by councilman guzman and at this time any need for discussion on the motion seeing none all those in favor say aye aye any opposed no opposed motion passes with seven six aye's one excused and one excused sorry and with that motion passes members that looks like we have completed our agenda today so this meeting is adjourned