all right i think we'll get started with the information session part of the event welcome everybody my name's james booth i'm a volunteer with belmont drives electric i'm also a member of the belmont energy committee one of the partners in belmont drives electric so we're going to have a information session first and then the ride and drive event that test drives various vehicles out there next slide so to give just a quick overview of what we'll talk about tell you a little about what belmont drives electric is it's communitybased initiative talk about what are some of the reasons for why it makes sense to drive electric and particularly how it's good for the environment but it's also good for your wallet it's very affordable to do right now then we'll hear from klaus and addie two belmont residents who were very happy driving electric about their experience and try to answer some of the questions you might have around things like what are your options for charging electric vehicle and counter some popular misconceptions of things you might have heard and say how why they they love driving electric and answer any questions that you have so so to start off belmont drives electric is a community program for belmont residents it's sponsored by belmont light the belmont energy committee sustainable belmont and just a number of electric vehicle enthusiasts here in belmont who volunteering their time to the program so the goal of belmont drives electric is there are two goals one is to promote the adoption of electric vehicles in town and also to encourage owners of electric vehicles to charge them to charge smart charge them at times of day that work well for everybody and what belmont drives electric is doing is providing information through events like this and connecting people with deals at dealerships and test drives to help make the decision of how you can get behind the wheel of an electric vehicle so the first reason why the belmont energy committee became interested in electric vehicles is the environmental benefits that are associated with driving electric so to put this in context belmont has a climate action plan for trying to reduce our emissions of the greenhouse gases that drive climate change and this was adopted several years ago with a goal of reducing emissions eighty by two thousand and fifty we recently looked at how we've been doing on this over the last seven years or so from two thousand and seven to two thousand and fourteen and we're moving in the right direction but not nearly fast enough to the goal of an eighty reduction so we need to be doing more to meet the goals that as a town we've set ourselves in terms of reducing our carbon emissions and so when we looked at where belmont's carbon emissions come from it's clear that vehicles are a big part of the story so for the town as a whole if we look at what the different sources of co2 emissions are vehicles count for more than a third of emissions and if you just look at the residential sector at people's households there it's almost half of emissions so for many households your driving of your vehicle or vehicles accounts for more than half of your total carbon footprint so there's clearly a lot of potential we need to address the transportation sector to make a dent in our carbon output and this is where electric vehicles become you know very attractive to think about because the emissions associated with driving an electric vehicle are much lower than for a comparable gasoline powered vehicle typically less than a half so this chart shows for a sort of standard new midsized car you're producing about four hundred or so grams of co2 per mile driven whereas a battery electric car driving solely on battery is associated with less than half that amount of emissions and if you look at the emissions that are caused by the producing the electricity that you use to drive to charge the car and then there are plugin hybrid electric vehicles which have both a gas motor and and can be plugged in and driven on electric and those fall somewhere in between depending on how you drive them how much of the time you're driving in electric mode so if we compare the impact of switching your driving from gasoline to electricity it becomes one of the biggest single things you can do as a household to reduce your carbon footprint so depending on what car you're switching from you can be seeing a reduction of two or three tons a year of co2 emissions which is in the same sort of range as taking steps like switching your heating from natural gas to an electrically driven heat pump or a five kilowatt solar array so again it'll depend on the household but for many households simply changing what vehicle you're driving can be the single biggest carbon reduction step you can take to put this another way switching from driving a sort of a standard new car that gets twenty nine miles per gallon to an electric vehicle without changing your driving habits is equivalent to driving over six thousand fewer miles a year or it's about the equivalent of your entire electrical the emissions from all of the electricity you would use for other things there's some other benefits there's no local air pollution from tailpipe emissions some you know straight electric vehicles don't have a tail pipe so you have local improved air quality and as you'll hear out in the parking lot later reduce noise pollution since they're very quiet machines there's also sort of big picture considerations i mean there are these immediate benefits you'd have from from switching i should say the part of the reason why there's so many fewer emissions from driving electric is that the electricity grid in new england is relatively clean compared to other parts of the country we're not we don't have coal powered electricity generation so that's part of why there's such a big impact from from going electric but in the bigger picture we think of people think of large scale moving to driving electric is going to be an important part of bringing more renewable energy onto the grid so as as the new england grid has been getting lower and lower carbon emissions over the years so if that continues then it just makes driving electric that much greener but also as as thousands of people start to have cars with batteries plugged in this provides a way that intermittent renewables like solar and wind can can be more easily added into the system because they can store that electricity in in a fleet of electric vehicles so the one of the big motivations for belmont energy committees sustainable belmont and a lot of lot of people who buy them or lease them is the environmental benefits of driving electric but from a personal perspective for an ev driver another big appealing thing is the affordability right now and part of this is that it's a very affordable time to buy or lease an ev because of several incentives that are available so there's a state rebate of two thousand five hundred for electric vehicles if you buy an electric vehicle or if you enter into a threeyear lease and this is basically a check that the state will send you right away as soon as you've leased or bought your vehicle so you get that right up front there's also a federal tax credit of up to up to seven thousand five hundred that you can claim on your federal taxes at the end of the year and the third thing with in belmont drives electric with this program we've had a number of deals with dealerships where we've prearranged very competitive and transparent leasing deals so an example is something like the chevy volt where you can be leasing it for less than two hundred a month so it's really a very attractive option so it's a it's a very inexpensive time because of these incentives to buy or lease an electric vehicle but there's also savings to be had in operating it that it costs less to drive a mile on electric than it does to drive on gasoline so for comparison to a sort of typical midsized gasoline car if you're driving electric and charging in belmont with belmont lights rates you'd be paying the equivalent of about a one hundred and sixty five a gallon of gasoline so even with today's low gasoline prices electric works out to be cheaper on an operational basis and then beyond that belmont light is offering an incentive as part of the belmont drives electric program where for ev owners if they charge their cars over during the overnight period which is when we want them to be doing that then there's another fifteen incentive basically rebate off your electric bill on on the electricity use charging overnight so that brings down the cost of operations even further it's also worth mentioning this is if you charge at home with the electricity you're paying for but a lot of public charging stations are available now that many of which are free or a lot of people have the similarly charging at their workplace with no charge so there there are plenty of options out there to also get free charging which brings your costs further down another point that's worth mentioning is that service costs are much lower with electric vehicles because you don't have oil changes and spark plugs and so on it's just a much simpler machine and so you're you're not paying the routine maintenance that you do with a internal combustion engine okay some number crunching which don't want to get lost in but i'll just say looked at comparing say a a chevy volt to a chevy malibu so two similar cars from the same company and if you look at for example at leasing these as a as an approach then the cost per mile that you would get for leasing a volt when you figure the incentives and your fuel savings comes out to roughly around half the cost per mile of driving a malibu so putting it together basically electric vehicles are are good for the environment they're lowering our carbon carbon footprint and cost less to to buy and run and this is a nice analysis done by a lab a trancik lab at mit a nice tool that they have online called carboncountercom where they looked at a bunch of different vehicles and what the graph shows on the vertical axis it's the the carbon emissions for driving per mile of the vehicle and on the horizontal one it's the cost per mile of driving when you figure in the leasing or purchase costs or and the cost of fueling and so the higher as you go up the graph it's polluting more and as you go to the right it costs more and the yellow dots are a variety of electric vehicles so what it shows is really electric vehicles right now are both some of the cleanest and some of the cheapest vehicles to be driving so they they score well on both of those points so so the advantages and the reason belmont drives electric is excited about promoting this are both for the climate change implications and and that it can save belmont residents money i'm going to turn it over to klaus to talk about some of the issues around what is it like to drive electric including how do you charge these things so charging an electric pump is a delight relative to going to a gas station you know you go to the gas station sometimes you have you have to wait in line then you grab the grip and you oh you know smell your hands it's a carcinogen you know that maybe so that's not so fun either you a fuel you wait that's not how it works is an electric pump you come home you park you step outside you grab the pistol grip put it your done you walk inside so charging is really simple when you when you own an electric pump this is one of those things that you come to appreciate if you're like me and you travel for work whenever you have to get a rental car it's such a downer it's noisy it stinks and you have to go find a gas station somewhere electric plugs you have everywhere right so i think the the main issue to be aware of is if you live in a condo that might not apply so but if you have if you're in a detached home or you have a place at work where you can change the time you spent charge and the sort of inconvenience and smelliness and cost of is much better in an electric car next cue you can charge just like you plug in your toaster at home you can plug in your electric car that works great for almost every person with normal with normal driving habits you will add about four miles of range every hour so if you get home at seven leave at seven you have you know almost fifty miles of range and fewer than one in eight americans have have bigger trip to work and home than that if you do have a little longer trip then cars like the chevy volt which is able to make its own electricity from gas is something you can consider that will that will provide you with ample range if you want to charge a little faster we can go up to a level two that's the pistol part i was talking about and that will add up to twenty five miles of range of range per hour meaning that you can top off the car very quickly if you want to turn it around and go someplace many places have free charging at work in the workplaces it's all level two pretty much and i think we heard from the gentleman who works in the charging company that there's about three thousand electric vehicle chargers in massachusetts of which two thirds are free so lots of places you can charge for free and you probably haven't noticed because you're not looking for them but if you are in say lexington behind the restaurants there's a corner there there's four slots right there so while you're eating you can fill up your car for free we're putting in chargers here in belmont down by the clafin lot and you still have to pay for parking like everybody else but you don't have to pay for the electricity my work i don't pay for the electricity and so i haven't bought fuel since i mean at least a year i haven't spent a penny on gas so when you're looking at the the rates for the leasing which is sub two hundred you need you should subtract out of that whatever you spend on gas if you have workplace charging and most people who work in boston will have it so that's pretty great you can go even faster this what you call vc charging direct current charging and that can give you a ton amount in no time the tesla is the undisputed king and of that and that is in twenty minutes you get one hundred and fifty miles yeah in thirty minutes you get one hundred and seventy miles yeah depends on ten miles per minute basically but isn't it so ten miles a minute yeah you could say that it's up to three hundred miles three hundred and fifty miles so that wicked fast right so you can you can spend twenty minutes charging drive two hours and then spend twenty minutes charging and the chargers for teslas are typically next to a starbucks or a restaurant and and you should probably take a break every two hours anyways so so that's a good good thing there are in this situation of their own but but the boeing for instance that we have several versions of outside also has fast charging and will will give you fifty to seventy miles in the same in the same time on top of it's almost two hundred and fifty mile range that it comes with with if it has the battery filled up so charging options are there's lots of them but most of you will will be able to live very happily with the charger that comes with the car which you just pop into your garage next so charging stations if you want to buy a faster charging station they'll set you back anywhere from a couple of hundred bucks for for one that you can buy on ebay typically from a a car that was that was in an accident or something with it where you can buy the the charger and you can buy one outright new and that's like four hundred bucks to get you can spend up to about nine hundred if you want to get something really razzle dazzle that'll hook in to your solar panels on some so this is quite a bit of a choice for you now next public level two chargers this is a chargepoint charger they are the biggest vendor you need a card to swipe the cards you get just by by going to the website and asking for it and you swipe it it goes beep and releases the pistol brick which you then plop in it's all very fast and you can also use apple pay so i can use my phone oh i didn't know that oh yeah yeah there's cell networks like ev or is it ev connect and and you if you have a credit card with a chip in it you can use that too just to swipe that so so the so the convenience of electric charging is really high it's very easy to do and and most of the time it's free so at the airport for instance you see those they have dozens of them so you can get a we're getting them downtown yep we're getting them downtown when do those go on and then on lights place right probably may 1st and next and then there's all the different fast chargers these are amazing pieces of technology if you fast charge the first thing that'll happen is it'll say congratulations you're charging and it'll say you're putting on you know one hundred and ten amps i don't know if you if that if you know understand that but your house probably rarely draws more than ten so over a hundred amps is a really wicked amount of power that that they take off so this is this is pretty impressive technology and again tesla is the is the leader in that so you can is this quite the gambit but like i said most of you will be quite happy with just the charger that comes through the car next yes you have all sorts of flexibility you can program the cars to charge when it's cheap if you're in the concourse for instance you have cheaper than nighttime rates that's where belmont is moving to so that means that you'll have a significant discount on on the electricity and right now the the equivalent cost of a gallon of gas is like one hundred and fifty but with the nighttime rates it'll be the equivalent of getting seventy cents gallon seventy cent gas and importantly that's locked in so where the gas price fluctuates has been low for a while but it could go up the moment shots are fired in the middle east you know that's one of these connected things but that shouldn't ever impact the electricity prices because that's based on hydro and wind and solar and so on so by by having an electric car you you secure a cheap source of fuel for your car and you can program your all sorts of sophisticated ways you can ask it to be charged when the electricity prices is lowest but you can also for some charges you can ask it to charge when the power is the greenest if you buy a juice box charger which i have then you can ask it to do that and it'll automatically check the weather forecast and all sorts of other things so there's a lot of choices it's pretty cool if you and you get lots of data so if you're a data geek you will have a lot to play with yep next tons of chargers i think it comes out to about fifty thousand i think you could have stopped at three thousand chargers and they are two thirds a month free next these so logan i talk to all the time they find a flight and then hospitals public parking so you can find them on your phone if you download the plugshare charging how does that work with logan for example let's say you're going on a family vacation for a week yes and you go to this spot there's a charging thing you plug in your car and then you leave for a week and you just leave it there that's what a lot of people do but they actually have a regular one hundred and ten volt plugs so that's what i do i just pull in to them and then i just plug in there and that way i'm not up taking up are the spaces pretty wide there yes yep the other thing is that you can i think that's more but yes it's but it's not ideal you're right about that because the car has charged in hours and you're gone for days that's not ideal but usually it's not a problem to to find a spot where there's a plug hotels they all will always they will always let you charge i travel a lot for work and even if they don't officially have charging if you ask them at the reception they always are willing to to let you charge bring us a charging chord an extension chord next fast charging is coming this is going to be much more common in the future and what that means also is that hybrid's are probably gonna go away because you don't need them when you can when you can fill up the battery really fast my fiance just bought a volt and she lives basically at the far end of eighty four and the charging infrastructure that she that was there when she boughted in january was basically danbury and nothing in between there were a couple in hartford that were unreliable yeah five days before her car arrived at the dealership two new ones went in in hartford yeah one in manchester one in hartford ev goes and net worth is there popping up yeah everywhere and auburn is awesome you have the chilies they have two sets free level twos right and you'd have the ninety nine restaurant also they have two changers for free i mean the dc chargers the fast chargers yes okay that you use for your traveling long road trips that's also called level three okay next yep i think do you want to take the or shall i so electric cars are really fun to drive they they have violent acceleration they are very quite so it's it's a very luxurious feel to drive in them it's it's a fun car to to drive because they tend to be very hightech and all of that at a price point below twenty thousand i mean it's just the value to enjoyment price is just amazing i think and the what do you what what tends to detract from that is that people worry about running out of juice and that's really shouldn't be a concern one is if you get a pure electric car it's it's often a second car so you really just tootling around in the neighborhood and in that case that really on any any problems but if you wanna if you sometimes go farther if you have a cabin up in maine or something like that you can consider the costs that have a backup the golf has that the volt is what i have they they it comes with a gas tank and a generator so it can make its own gas and that bumps your range up to over four hundred miles so in my volt which is outside and you're welcome to try it out you can go from here to manhattan and back and not stop so if that not range enough for you right i don't know it's you can just fill it up and going another four hundred miles the volt can you just keep filling it up with gas yep yeah so it's a i drove to chicago and down to atlanta and all in one one time over a week so i just kept filling it up it killed my average but it most people over estimate the range that they need so they'll say things now but eighty miles doesn't work for me but actually eighty miles works for almost all so you can't transport a piano in your car either right so people shouldn't dimension their car needs to the unlikely event it's important to remember that if you just drive once a year well maybe you should get a rental because you will save so much money on that electric car that it will more than pay for the full rental car for your trip with your family then you get a convertible plug in hybrids the chevy volt love the chevy volt that gives you that takes totally takes away range anxiety next batteries a very reliable it's people tend to think of lithium batteries as the one they have in their phone where you have notable degradation in as short a time as year but there's if you look at cast iron and high tensile steel right that's mostly iron but it's totally different same with lithium batteries this i think is lithium cobalt hydrate i think it's and in the cars it's lithium phosphate heightened or something i forget lithium iron phosphate and they're very very different they're designed to be completely different the batteries in the electric car are not are not designed to be fully discharged so in the volt for instance in the firstgeneration volt you have a sixteen kilowatt hour battery that you're only allowed to use ten kilowatt in the middle of that way you are never fully charged or fully discharged which is hard on the battery in your cell phone you fully discharged the battery or more you fully charge it because it's a weight issue so you cannot take that experience and move it over batteries are very reliable they have sold over a hundred thousand chevy volts and they've never replaced a battery and because all the cars communicate back to gm the state of the battery and how much it's driving they're collecting all of that information in exchange for that you get free onstar subscription they know perfectly well how well that batteries are doing and there's not a single battery out of that that has ever had that's ever lost charge and some people have over a hundred thousand electric miles on it the record is one hundred and forty thousand electric miles on the volt and and so it's hard to do forty miles a day right yeah so yeah so so it's just these are very battery the battery is not going to have to be replaced it's a it's a total myth put fake news and the chevy's are particularly good in battery management the tesla's are very good too nissan leaf they you might have read that they had some issues in very hot states but they fixed that so it's so this these were caused in new mexico and they simply had they got cooked and that they did the batteries didn't like that but quick next we talked about the range you'll most new electric cars now have over a hundred miles next you have a lot of choice in electric car the the you can't get a convertible so that's say that's a limitation if that's your thing but you can get roomy cars like model tesla x can seat seven you can get the most of the other cars seat five but of compact cars there are hatchbacks those are they they have room for a lot of stuff in them you can get some that are you know very fast some that will park anywhere there's a chrysler pacifica that's just come out that's right and a plug in with an lg battery yes with a liquid thermal management just like the volt yep so so that has a that has a gas engine also as backup so there's this really a lot of range and vw has said that they're going to put out twenty five i think a new electric cars by the year two thousand and twenty five so they got busted on cheating everybody's cheating by the way not just vw but they sort of fessed up to it so they paying they're paying amends but the mercedes is coming off and they've just accelerated their program there's a lot on offer but even today you have some really great choices and we have them out on the parking lot and you should try to test drive them try out different kind of cars next oh winter time it's another sort of story people often ask how do go in winter well take the volt which is my car it has a four hundred pound battery that is moved sort of towards the back so it has almost perfect five thousand and fifty balance and sits nice and heavy they're great in snow and if you want to see that that inaction just go to youtube and google a chevy volt snow and that goes for the electric cars they are they tend to be very good in snow and also the moter is very light so when you spin with a gas car there's a lot of moving mass so it takes a while before the wheels slow down back to the speed they should have to give you a grip electric cars the motors have much less internal spinning mass and therefore they get traction faster so they're very good next yes this is true that one that was the point yep good next yeah so in the winter time you you all cars gas cars also reduce range you just don't notice it in the gas car however the it's it's not actually a big deal usually what you do is that you you can try to avoid heating the car while driving you heated before you leave and that really helps so drawing heat to to heat air takes a lot of power but you can do it while it's still plugged in so on the gas car it you shouldn't be idling for a long times before you go right that's that's not good for the environment but with an electric car it's the way to go so you have an excuse to to warm your make your car nice and toasty before you go because you're drawing straight from the you're drawing straight from the from the net yeah i'd like to go and tell the fact that if your car is in a garage in your house and closed you really can't turn on a gas that's right yeah car and fumigate your garage that's right whereas i have a timer or a remote control and i can start warming up the car half an hour before i leave yeah and to get into that toaster and yeah i won't turn on the heat for the rest of the time that's a good point yeah yeah that's right so you're not going to asphyxiate your family with an electric car okay next alright thank you hi i'm adam batista and i'm fortunate to have two teslas i have a model s and a model x that is actually a rental by the way someone mentioned about renting a car you could rent them i actually rented that in in la before i decided to get the model x and so so basically i've had a few of these talks but i'm gonna focus on like you know i think one of the advantages that tesla has is around the range and then the charging network so i drove my model s from boston to atlanta for a surprise work trip had to hit virginia north carolina and atlanta on this about fifteen day trip i did not pay for electricity once on the entire trip and so tesla has a pretty amazing network of superchargers so i was able to charge along the way and then when i stopped several hotels had either destination charging that was you know sponsored by tesla so it's teslas you know charging system for level two charging or they had or they had a you know like chargepoint chargers in the area even one hotel in virginia has a plug tesla's level two cheaper level two solution is to give you a nema one thousand four hundred and fifty plug which is what you'd see at sites you could charge at forty forty amps and one hotel actually had that let's just you know you could see the the panel box and someone probably either had a tesla or the guests said can you put this in and they just put it in and it's probably like forty bucks for them to do that work and that so i actually literally took the cable that's in my car and plugged it in when i woke up in the morning the car was fully charged and ready for my next next trip the the greatest advantage around the tesla itself around driving those long distances is autopilot and so i was able to actually at parts of my trip i drove i drove basically i came off the you know they came on to the highway set it to autopilot the car you know kept itself in the lane it you know kept itself at a distance away from other cars stayed at a certain speed as i set it it just like cruise control and then i was at one stretch i was on autopilot for about you know about ninety five of the time on the highway and then i turned it off to get back off the highway to charge it about two and a half hours later and so so it made that trip pretty amazing can i say sure the the volt and other cars out there i'm sure are not so sophisticated as the tesla but they still have a lot of the components so the speed sensitive cruise control i use that driving to work so so you set a speed and it keeps track of the distance to the car in front and when you know in washington rush hour traffic there's stop and go it'll stop the car and then with the cars move it starts the car and it stops it again you have to point the car to do it so that's the difference to the tesla but it's the electric cars tend to be really pretty sophisticated if if you like that kind of stuff right right yeah and there there's a difference in price points too the tesla's a little bit more expensive than the volt and so and it also has it's fully electric my the model s is a ninety kilowatt battery it has about two hundred and eighty miles range it's lost a little bit over the year i've had it but i've put over twenty thousand miles on it in the first year i've had it and so it lost about four of the range the model x i got that in december i'm sorry january and it hasn't really lost any range yet the i think that the best advantages of electric car we we discussed it before the fact you could charge at home i'm charging at home i don't think about fueling i have more than enough range for a given day you know i could heat the car the one i think i even sent the picture to you guys it was fourteen degrees i a detached garage not not heated it was fourteen degrees inside my garage i knew that cause my car told me that it was fourteen degrees in there and i was able to turn on the heater from you know basically my bed and and said okay warm up the car from me please i don't want to go into the car you know cold and it was able to do that got ready got downstairs car's nice and toasty you know pulling that off of the off the grid and then i moved on and so that's just a fantastic thing and and i think that even also another advantage just in general not even just around tesla is that if you are able to if you have your own home and you have the ability to put solar on your roof you now are you know basically even seeing realizing more savings over the long term i don't know if anybody has any questions but i know i could i could drone on about so many different things about tesla maybe be pointed into some questions that people may have one pedal driving you should talk about sure sure so regenerative breaking i don't think we mentioned that yet right so that's a good question so the tesla you know one of the biggest advantages of electric cars is that is regenerative breakings if you have a prius you might notice a little bit but you know if you put you take your foot off the pedal the car will slow down itself and it's basically the motor running in reverse to slow the car down tesla is very aggressive around that and they actually made it more aggressive over time with software updates i have both cars with dual motors and so when i take my foot off the pedal both motors are running in reverse so you can basically come to almost a complete stop it's like three miles an hour with with just the you're just one foot so i i rarely tap the brake therefore you don't have to replace the brakes as much right so the guy who has the record for the volt he has almost four hundred thousand miles on his volt and still has forty five left of the original brake pads and that's because you learn to to just drive with one foot and i know it's hard to describe but it is so nice and to just drive that way it's not an accelerator it's a go pedal yeah you're not jumping back and forth one pedal to the other if you're in slinky traffic it becomes intuitive and you stop thinking about it you just adjust your foot if your going thirty and then eighteen and then twenty five you're just lifting and pressing your foot so it's like you hit molasses you know yes yes it's very nice to and it's it's very it's instantaneous sorta response so it's like the car is connected to you like if you want it to slow down you let your foot off the pedal and it's slowing down it does take a little bit of getting used to and tesla i don't know if other evs have it it just has a setting that you could make it a little more lighter a load on you but but i but i after the first like day or two i i just you know i got completely used to driving re gen and you're putting energy back into the battery so you know and another advantage of prius's originally had right you're you're putting that energy back into the battery as a regenerating so one example i drove from in another rental tesla from frisco in colorado down to boulder and i at the point of it i was my efficiency they they measured it in watt hours per mile but it was negative i was actually gaining energy in my battery going down the hill because it was mostly downhill and so i was like you know basically keeping my foot somewhat on the pedal but it was putting energy back into the battery as i was going down which is i mean it's rare obviously i used a lot of energy to get up there in the first place but but but it does help you you know extend the you know your range of driving and so it's kinda kind of nice to be able to you know instead of you know when you break normally your that's all heat and light some light and sound a lot of that energy is going right back into the battery instead of just being used for all the other senses right no sorry yeah so so i could so i can warp any other questions so we have about five minutes okay do we actually want to do do anybody else want to talk can i just do a very quick one sure for those of you who can't afford teslas so the rest of us there was one thing i i disagree with in the first initial talk was he called us ev enthusiasts were just normal drivers because once you get into the car and you drive it that's when you become an enthusiast but before that you learn about it you educate yourself i looked at the numbers i have a volkswagen golf it gets about ninety miles range my daily commute including driving around town is about twenty five miles so i could go three days without plugging it in i plug it in the wall i don't have a fancy charter i've never had a fancy charger never been a problem i don't if i plan a trip i don't assume i'm going to have a charger when i get there so i keep my trips within ninety miles otherwise i take the old car or if you going to take a long trip rent a car but ninety of my driving is with the electric car i got the ten thousand off so it became a very reasonable priced car the brake pads are gonna last the one pedal driving is really fun i've always had a stick shift so i thought it was going to be really boring like an automatic but it's so much fun when you take your foot off and you're in re gen it's like downshifting to second gear and letting the clutch out and letting the engine slow you down the engine is slowing you down at the same time it's become a generator and it's jumping juice back into the battery you can watch it you can watch it recharge your battery as you slow down it's phenomenal it's so much fun to drive it's so practical and there are deals out there where you can get really good leasing options or really good buying options and the range anxiety is really not an issue and and i'm i'm talking about one of the lower end cars if you want to call it that but it's a volkswagen golf it's the same golf you see around town except it's all electric and you can come out and go for a ride in it you could also you know buy used leaf or egolf under ten thousand yeah really reasonably priced it's amazingly affordable so if you you need a second car just go around town it's almost a no brainer i mean it's you know you're really saving like thirty thousand miles in the car and you get one for seventy thousand just look on you know leaf or any other older evs and and and you did the amount of money you'll save it'll over the lifetime that you drive the car it'll probably pay for itself and so it's a pretty pretty pretty amazing set up so don't think of us as as as enthusiasts and geeks and all that and special people even though we are even though we've become that by by driving a car a year ago i knew nothing about these and i went out for a drive and said i gotta have one of these they're phenomenal they are they are for everybody they make a great first car for some for someone in college if you if you seize up because something's happening in front of you and you don't have the experience to deal with it the re gen actually is slowing the car down so it's going to minimize what kind of damage someone would cause in an accident just to and they are very safe klaus i think to close it it's just like daryl said you shouldn't buy an electric car because it's good for the environment and so on i don't think that should be anyone's primary motivation when you think about electric car you should but it because you won't get this as much fun for your dollar in any ordinary vehicle and would that i think we will close down so so becca do you want to let people know what the next step is in terms about how the sign up sheets on the side and which vehicles yeah sure so let's open it up to test drive if you guys are interested and want to hear each car is going to have its own sign in process also have the test drive right now but if for any reason you have to run off or something you can always go through our website to set up in the future