Secretary Pompeo With Maria Bartiromo of Mornings With Maria on Fox Business Network 
美国国务院发言人办公室
访谈
国务卿迈克尓·蓬佩奥（Michael R. Pompeo）接受福克斯财经网（Fox Business Network）“与玛丽亚共度晨光”(Mornings with Maria) 节目主持人玛丽亚·巴蒂罗姆（Maria Bartiromo）的采访
2019年4月5日纽约州纽约市（New York, New York）
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问：非常感谢你来到我们的节目。盗取知识产权的问题是我们过去谈到过的。你如何改变某些已在一个国家的文化中根深蒂固的东西？你是否认为美国将能提出某种执行机制并加以实施，以使中国人信守他们不从西方偷盗的承诺？
蓬佩奥国务卿：是的，玛丽亚，这是一个挑战。这就是为什么有关谈判进行了这么长时间，而且我们尚未完成。特朗普总统（President Trump）已经第一次公开点明中国盗取知识产权的行为，过去几十年来有数千亿美元被中国盗取。特朗普总统正在着手解决。正在完成的工作是有关这个执行机制的。如果他们言而无信，你应该怎么做？我们过去看到过中国人签署协议却并没有遵守。努钦部长（Secretary Mnuchin）和莱特希泽大使（Ambassador Lighthizer）所肩负的使命是以这种方式达成这项协议：即在协议完成之后，在签字仪式之后，美国公司可以确信能够在中国从事经营而不必承担知识产权遭到窃取的重大风险，而且一旦出现风险，他们也将有挽回损失的工具。
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蓬佩奥国务卿：玛丽亚，中国有不遵守其宪法的长期历史，中国自己的宪法规定人民可以践行他们的信仰。而在今天，他们已经在他们国家的一个地区围捕了近100万名穆斯林和维吾尔人，并恶劣地对待他们。他们说那是再教育营，但坦率地说，他们不让人们进去看看那里到底在发生什么——有关的途径极其有限。我上周在我的办公室会见了四名维吾尔族人，其中一位——
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问：这些人是这类营地的幸存者，或者不管他们所说的名称是什么。
蓬佩奥国务卿：这些人是——他们有些人是幸存者，还有些人的家人在这类营地里。其中一位，在我们会面之后，他的姨妈（aunt）和舅舅（uncle）被抓捕并被送进中国的一个营地。这是他们为左右他的行为而采取的一种做法——他在美国这里——左右他在美国这里的行为。这是无法接受的。他们应当让这位姨妈和舅舅——他的母亲也在一个营地中。她应当能拿回她的美国护照。这种行径，这种对人权的践踏，是悲剧性的，是前所未有的，特朗普总统正在逐一应对这些挑战。
问：那么这是有关这项近期贸易协议的磋商的一部分？同中国方面有关更广泛的问题的磋商如何，不一定是关于一项贸易协议的交换条件？
蓬佩奥国务卿：贸易协议有其自身的商谈，其自身的对话正在进行，但这是在所有这些其他更广泛的问题的背景之下：有关将从根本上让美国人承担风险的中国使用技术的方式的问题，这种现在被用在全世界各地的来自华为的技术。这是一个与中国政府非常靠近，而且将会做中国政府让它去做的事情的公司。因此，我们发出了警告，敦促全世界各国及安全机构不要采用这一技术。同中国的挑战是多方面的，我们正在逐一应对，有时分别解决，但往往是作为同中国的更广泛的对话的一部分，要求他们以符合美国所珍视的价值观的方式从事贸易、有关行为以及人权和人权活动。
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问：总统非常重视同中国的有关芬太尼的协议，即他们将承诺会列管所有各级芬太尼。让我们密切关注这个问题，并请你在这里告诉我你的看法，因为我想有一个问题，就是中国说芬太尼用在很多东西中，其中包括肥料。你如何确保芬太尼不会跨境进来，因为这难道不是阿片类药物的合成前体吗？
蓬佩奥国务卿：它是。这是一个非常重要的问题。习主席对特朗普做出的承诺是一项非常重要的承诺。现在中国应当贯彻执行。我们看到了一些进展，中国内部的一些管理方面的进展。我们希望他们履行承诺。总统今天去了边境地区。那里的危机的因素之一——我们在特朗普总统如此重视的边境地区所发生的人们的苦难中可以看到——但他还重视毒品问题，即进入全国各地的毒品。这种来自中国的芬太尼往往就是从那个边境地区经过墨西哥贩运的。这是我们必须对我们的边境今天存在的危机加以控制的又一个原因。

INTERVIEWSecretary of State Michael R. Pompeo With Maria Bartiromo of Mornings With Maria on Fox Business Network
April 5, 2019New York, New York
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QUESTION:  Thank you so much for joining us.  The IP theft issue is something we’ve spoken about before.  How do you change something that’s really engrained in a country’s culture?  Do you think the U.S. is going to be able to come up with some kind of an enforcement mechanism to put in place so that the Chinese keep their promises of not stealing from the West?
SECRETARY POMPEO:  Yeah, Maria, this is a challenge.  It’s why the negotiations have taken as long as they have, and why we’re not complete yet.  President Trump has, for the first time, called out China for this theft of intellectual property, hundreds of billions of U.S. dollars stolen by the Chinese over the past decades.  President Trump is addressing it.  The work that’s being done is about this enforcement mechanism.  What is it you do if they don’t live up to the word?  We’ve seen the Chinese enter into deals before where they didn’t follow through.  And the mission that Secretary Mnuchin, Ambassador Lighthizer have is to get this deal done in a way that, after the deal is done, after the signing ceremony, American companies can count on the fact they can do business in China without substantial risk their IP will be stolen, and if it is, they will have a tool to recover for that loss.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  Maria, there’s a long history of China not abiding by its constitution, which says people can practice their faith, in China’s own constitution.  And yet today, they’ve rounded up close to a million Muslims, Uighurs, in one part of their country, treating them horribly.  They say they’re reeducation camps, but they, frankly, won’t let people in to see what’s truly going on there – very limited access to this.  I met with four Uighurs last week in my office.  One of them —
QUESTION:  These are survivors of these camps or whatever they call them.
SECRETARY POMPEO:  These are – some of them were survivors, some of them have family members in those camps.  One of them, after our meeting, had his aunt and uncle rounded up and taken to a camp in China.  This is the kind of thing that they do to impact his behavior, his – he’s here in America – to impact his behavior here in America.  It’s unacceptable.  They need to let this aunt and uncle – his mother is in a camp as well.  She needs to get her U.S. passport back.  This kind of behavior, these human rights abuses, are tragic, they’re historic, and President Trump is taking on each of these challenges.
QUESTION:  So is this part of the discussions in terms of this near-term trade deal?  What’s the discussion with the Chinese in terms of the broader issues, not necessarily a quid pro quo on a trade deal?
SECRETARY POMPEO:  So the trade deal has its own conversation, its own dialogue that’s taking place, but it’s against the background of all of these other broader issues: issues with China’s use of technology in ways that will fundamentally put Americans at risk, this technology from Huawei that is now being put in place all across the world.  It’s a company that’s very close to the Chinese Government and will do what the Chinese Government asks it to do.  And so we have sounded the alarm urging nations, security apparatuses from around the world, not to put this technology.  And the challenges with China are manifold, and we’re approaching each of them, sometimes in separate silos, but often as part of a broader conversation with China, asking them to engage in trade and conduct and human rights, and human rights activities that are consistent with the values that Americans hold dear.
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QUESTION:  The President made a big deal of the fentanyl agreement with the Chinese, that they are going to promise that they’re going to classify all classes of fentanyl.  Let’s watch this closely and tell me what your thoughts are here, because I guess there was one issue that the Chinese say that fentanyl is used in a lot of things, including fertilizer.  How do you make sure that fentanyl is not coming over the border, because isn’t this the synthetic precursor for opioids?
SECRETARY POMPEO:  It is.  This is a very important issue.  The commitment that President Xi made to Trump was a very important commitment.  Now China needs to follow through on it.  We’ve seen some progress, some administrative progress inside of China.  We hope they’ll deliver on this.  The President’s down at the border today.  One of the elements of the crisis that’s down there – we see it in the human suffering that takes place along the border that President Trump is so focused on – but he’s also focused on narcotics, drugs that are coming across the country.  This fentanyl that comes from China often is trafficked through Mexico across that very border.  It’s one more reason we have to get control of the crisis that’s at our border today.