美国国务院
发言人办公室
华盛顿哥伦比亚特区（Washington, D.C.）
2019年8月27日
 
[2019年8月27日采访摘译]
 
国务卿迈克·蓬佩奥（Michael R. Pompeo）接受美国广播公司印第安纳州（Indiana）印第安纳波利斯（ Indianapolis）地方电视台WRTV（ABC WRTV）拉斐尔·桑切斯（ Rafael Sanchez）采访
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国务卿蓬佩奥：有时候会有困难，任何人，任何时间失去工作或有些人的农场出现比较艰难的情况，特朗普总统（President Trump）感到遗憾。但我们面对的中国曾处于上升时期。我来自堪萨斯州（Kansas）。我观察了多年，当时作为国会（Congress）成员，我看到中国关闭市场，不允许我们的产品进入，我们的产品，质量，高质量的小麦和玉米及大豆，都是我们在位于腹地的这里生产。
特朗普总统正在尽全力扭转局面。我坚信，我坚信我们能够做到使中国再次承认美国农民提供的伟大价值，继续购买在这里，例如在印第安纳州这里生产的产品。
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国务卿蓬佩奥：特朗普总统的重点是使这一切尽快发生。我认为已经取得了实际的进展，但我不想确定时间表。作为国务卿，我所了解的一个情况是，这些问题有时很复杂。道路会颠簸不平。但我始终关注我们团队的工作，我们对此全神贯注。我们必须让中国实现对等贸易，不仅是农产品，而且涉及作为基础的知识产权，所有印第安纳州农民创造价值的过程，所有这些问题都必须加以保护，避免受到中国的侵蚀和盗窃。
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国务卿迈克·蓬佩奥接受全国广播公司印第安纳州印第安纳波利斯地方电视台WTHR（NBC WTHR）卡伦·坎贝尔（Karen Campbell）采访
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国务卿蓬佩奥：……。我目睹多年来，其实是无论共和党或民主党当政的几十年来，中国不购买我们的产品。特朗普总统决心纠正这种情况。他就是要求一种公平和对等的贸易关系，以便让印第安纳州的农民能够出售他们的产品，让印第安纳州的制造商能够将产品销售到中国，让印第安纳州的公司能够在中国投资，就像中国公司在印第安纳州投资一样。这非常简单明了，非常直截了当——就是公平、平等、对等。这些是特朗普总统在努力推动的主张，我们希望中国能以同样方式看到这点，我们希望能取得成果。我们致力于尽可能快地做到这点。
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国务卿蓬佩奥：在我现在这行，我尽量不制定期限。但要知道，印第安纳州人民应该知道，我们每天都在解决这方面问题——不仅是国务院（State Department），而且还有贸易代表（Trade Representative），财政部（Treasury Department），以及所有涉及美国贸易和经济关系的人员。我们在努力使美国发展，创造就业。总统对全美各地失业率无比之低感到非常骄傲。这些是我们引以为豪的，我们认为这些是了不起的成就，而且我们相信，我们这方面的努力将继续取得成功。
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国务卿蓬佩奥：贸易谈判主要不是我的责任。它们属于贸易代表和财政部，但我参与许多谈判。我一直在与北韩金主席打交道，我代表着今天将在此地美国军团（American Legion）听我讲话的我们了不起的退伍军人，我们的士兵，水兵，空军人员和海军陆战队队员努力在阿富汗取得良好成果。特朗普总统为我们提供了背景，方向，指导原则——我们谈判要争取和确立的目标，我们为实现特朗普总统的目标勤奋工作，取得他所希望的成果——他向美国人民承诺的将为美国人民更安全而作的努力。
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国务卿蓬佩奥：总统对北韩采取了太久以来最为强硬的立场。我们所处的这个局面不是特朗普总统上任两年半内形成的。北韩是在我们上任前的多年里发展了他们的核项目，特朗普总统的独特建树是发展了全球联盟。我们有安理会（Security Council）决议对北韩施加确实的压力，全球——全球的制裁，不是美国的制裁，通过这些制裁全世界提出一个明确要求：我们要求北韩消除其核武器并且去核化。当他们做到这点时，总统非常明确表示，北韩人民将会有更光明的未来。我希望金主席将一道努力——让他的团队在实地与我的团队一道努力，为美国人民带来良好的、牢固的成果。
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国务卿迈克尔·蓬佩奥接受福克斯印第安纳州印第安纳波利斯电视59台WXIN（FOX59 WXIN）和哥伦比亚广播公司印第安纳州印第安纳波利斯电视4台（CBS4 WTTV）丹·斯派勒（Dan Spehler）采访
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问：我也想谈谈贸易战。总统上周在7国集团（G7）会议期间——显然有很多有关贸易和中国的讨论。印第安纳州这里的农民今年的确一直很艰难。你最近对一些商界高管说你认为同中国的贸易战可能到明年选举时结束。有关会谈正在进行吗，它们的进展如何？
国务卿蓬佩奥：特朗普总统应对了一个我很了解的挑战。我曾担任堪萨斯州国会议员，这也是一个农业州，我们种植小麦和玉米，在印第安纳州这里也都种这些，而且我观察过。我看到过中国阻止我们的产品销售。我也看到过欧洲，不让我们的高质农产品进入他们的市场，而特朗普总统决心解决这个问题，给农民和制造业的劳动人民带来极大惠益——我在堪萨斯州开过一家小型制造企业——包括全美国的制造业人员。
因此，我们正在努力解决问题。具体时间表总是很难预测的，但毋庸置疑的是：特朗普总统站出来确保并为了那些希望为这些市场服务，但却被中国根本不允许我们的产品进入的事实不公平地排斥的人而力争。而且坦率地说，他们在的确接受我们的产品时窃取了作为其根基的知识产权。我们将解决这些问题。这些斗争是艰巨的。特朗普总统是坚定的。
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国务卿蓬佩奥：本届政府内部所关注的焦点其实非常清楚。这就是为美国工人和美国农民争取一个良好结果。就是这样。有很多嘈杂之声，有很多人在说不同的事情，但我们的努力是非常专注的。我们知道中国要开放这些市场并允许我们的公司以一种公平的、对等的方式进行贸易而必须要做的事情。如果你们的公司希望在中国投资，它就不能像一个中国公司在美国投资那样去做。这是不对的；这对于美国劳动者不公平。特朗普总统将会解决这个问题。
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国务卿蓬佩奥：……[我们]将坚决确保没有任何一个国家，不论是伊朗、北韩、中国或俄罗斯，干预下届选举。我们在2018年选举中相当成功，而且我有信心我们也将在2020年选举中取得成功。
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U.S. Department of StateOffice of the SpokespersonWashington, D.C.August 27, 2019
[Excerpts of interviews conducted August 27, 2019]
Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo With Rafael Sanchez of ABC WRTV
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  So any time there’s difficulty, anybody – any time there’s a job loss or someone’s got a little bit harder time on their farm, President Trump regrets that.  But we came in with a China that was on the rise.  I come from Kansas.  I watched for half a decade – when I served as a member of Congress, I watched China have closed markets, deny our access to our products, our good, quality, high-end wheat and corn and soybeans, all the things we make in the heartland here.  President Trump is doing his best to reverse that.  And I’m confident – I’m confident we’ll get to a place where China will once again recognize the great value that is delivered by American farmers and continue to purchase the goods from right here in places like Indiana.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  President Trump’s focused on making it happen as quickly as possible.  I think there’s been real progress made, but I don’t want to set a timeline.  If there’s one thing I’ve learned as Secretary of State, these things sometimes are complicated.  There’s bumpy roads.  But I’ve watched our team.  We are focused on this.  We have to get China to allow reciprocal trade so that not only the farmers’ products but the intellectual property that underlays them, all of the processes that create value from Indiana farmers – all those things need to be protected from Chinese aggression and Chinese theft.
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Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo With Karen Campbell of NBC WTHR
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  … .  I watched China not take our products for years and indeed decades under Republican and Democratic administrations alike.  President Trump is determined to fix that.  He simply wants a fair and reciprocal trade relationship so Indiana farmers can sell their products, so Indiana manufacturers can sell their products into China, so Indiana companies can invest in China, the same way that Chinese companies invest in Indiana.  That’s pretty simple, it’s pretty straightforward – just fair, equal, reciprocal.  Those are the ideas that President Trump is driving towards, and we hope that China will see it that same way and we can achieve that outcome.  We are aimed at doing that just as quickly as we possibly can.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  In the business I’m in now, I try not to set timelines.  But know, and the Indiana people should know, that we’re working every day on this problem set – not only the State Department, but the Trade Representative, the Treasury Department, all of the folks that are involved in America’s trade and economic relationships.  We’re working to grow America, to create jobs.  The President’s very proud of the incredibly low unemployment rate all across America.  Those are things we’re proud of, we think they’re great accomplishments, and we’re confident that our efforts will continue to be successful in that regard.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  Well, the trade negotiations are primarily not mine.  They belong to the Trade Representative and Treasury, but I’m involved in a lot of negotiating.  I’ve been working with Chairman Kim in North Korea, working to deliver a good outcome in Afghanistan on behalf of the very people I’m going to speak to today, here at the American Legion, our great veterans, our soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines.  President Trump provides us with the background, the direction, the principles which guide us – the aims to which our negotiations are aimed and are set, and we work diligently to deliver on behalf of President Trump to get what he’s looking for – what he promised the American people he would do to deliver better security for the American people.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  The President’s taken the strongest stance in an awfully long time on North Korea.  We didn’t get to this situation in the two and a half years that President Trump’s been in office.  The North Koreans built out their nuclear program over the years that preceded us, and what President Trump that’s done has been unique is to build out a global coalition. We have Security Council resolutions that have put real pressure on North Korea, global – global sanctions, not American sanctions, sanctions that the entire world asked a simple thing:  We asked North Korea to get rid of their nuclear weapons and to denuclearize.  When they do that, the President’s made pretty clear there’ll be a brighter future for the people of North Korea.  I hope that Chairman Kim will work with – put his team in the field to work with my team and deliver a good, solid outcome for the American people.
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Secretary of State Michael R. Pompeo With Dan Spehler of FOX59 WXIN and CBS4 WTTV
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QUESTION:  I want to talk about the trade war as well.  The President at the G7 this past week – obviously, a lot of talk about trade and China.  Farmers here in Indiana have really been struggling this year.  You recently told a group of business executives that you think the trade war with China could come to an end by next year’s election.  Are those talks ongoing, and how are they progressing?
SECRETARY POMPEO:  President Trump took on a challenge that I knew well.  I served as a member of Congress from Kansas, another farm state, where we grew wheat and corn, all of the kinds of things we do here in Indiana as well, and I watched.  I watched China block our products from being sold.  And I watched Europe, too, deny our high-quality farm products access to their markets, and President Trump is determined to fix that, to the great benefit of farmers and working-class manufacturing people – I ran a small manufacturing business in Kansas – manufacturing people all across America.
So we’re working to fix it.  The timeline’s always difficult to predict, but make no mistake about it:  President Trump is out making sure, fighting on behalf of those who want to serve those markets that have been unfairly displaced by the fact that China just wouldn’t permit our products to move in.  And frankly, when they did take our products, they stole the intellectual property that underlays them.  We’re going to fix those things.  These are tough fights.  President Trump is determined.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  The focus inside the administration is really very plain.  It is to get a good outcome for American workers and for American farmers.  That’s it.  There’s a lot of noise, lots of folks saying things, talking about different things, but our efforts are very focused.  We know the things that China must do to open those markets and permit our companies to trade in a fair and reciprocal way.  If your company wanted to invest in China, it couldn’t do so in the same way a Chinese company could invest in America.  That’s not right; it’s not fair to American workers.  President Trump’s going to fix it.
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SECRETARY POMPEO:  … . [W]e’re determined to make sure that no country, whether it’s Iran or North Korea or China or Russia, interferes in the next election.  We were pretty successful in the 2018 election, and I’m confident we’ll be successful in 2020 as well.
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