got your email and I certainly concur with Jeff making the call. He has maintained a good relationship with Mulva. This was a risk that we had but we did have assurances from Phillips regarding performance. I don't know how much it will help however. Richard Harper and Mary Nell Browning may have some ideas here but I am sure you've already gone through it with them. I am amazed how the details get fuzzy on an old project. When you discussed it, i was trying to think back to our remedies and discussions but the 3 years have made it difficult. I don't know if there is anything I can do but I'm always willing to help. Good luck, Mike These guys tried the Ken Lay route.