The Northern Daily Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-10-27 00:00:00

ters in r;' , c ondu c t be decks.l.4lNagese' of thett e n the ''' co le elisti ll AA 4 1 5 P1au,:,' now 1 for an increased rate of He had no proposition to mak the matter in their 'hands (Great that; tF Alr,i ) • ti, ' 'trill then came forward to propose the first resolu ad e° ~,i 0 1 ) wid t h t anion!, J th e ~..,_ was a counter one to the first resolution passed Ihe rese r : 4r rs, sanctioning the admission of strangers. were '7. at in t liel 1 , 43 me et i n el l was as follows :-" That it is the opinion of limb Here, t h at tl g i t so far as regarded the introduction of stran rne)ln'intig 1 1 , 4 t,ified i n e members of this association feel themselves o we re , They h ad , work ing with whom they please." (Hear. hear.) t o Ili !link th ", s _ee,eu urged by their employers to make the de: vet . o. IP Ilte tt ,I_7 . had done, as they were sure to get it. He ty ; •01 wtlt,ght,e,";taailsesod . what had occurred between the ship hipo Q ref . elation and -the shipbuilders' association, riges il f/ Ildered errili g' to the remarks of Mr. Royle, iinie. • rongt, tit __Whether a few weeks ago, that gentleman l ag out at as robbery to have forty-five apprentices work receive Th _Lne rate of seven shillings a day, who did not Rose f o u',.,_ l l than eight shillings per week. He calculated !ere CY ye lads brought in £B6, and he asked now who dlek of ' robbers ? (Cheers.) Those lads were many of ete s h , e use, but as soon as an owner came down they 11 0 h ed „ e 'ed under the bottom, or inside in the hold, where op,aratiYv:ould see them. (Great laughter.) Still they, the I trao erB B7 4 l Jere vilified before the public. As regarded . 111a sttrs , i ,', "Y had been tried in Liverpool before, and the aqs h a j c r e glad to get rid of them, and get the Liverpool kne boiti, again, and the reason why men did not go into three oi l, Yards, was that the work was too laborious L i el•ed t o lt r men only, to forty or fifty operatives being em '"angers b u ild a ship of 800 tons. There were now 500 Itlycl, but in town, a portion were working in Mr. Laird's u es,e st ta , h eY had struck for wages. Mr. Green lost by tkq. ri gs, before they knew it was pounds out of his (c•.?:' thei' r 'Y were the scurf of the nation, who did not h u eets,) „Work until they were shown how to do it. a ,,,,. linth i ,ur• Green sent them away, and said he would pr, te ld "tg further to do with them, and now he had them ° ol e what was he to do with them. He begged to the 4.14,111 first resolution. ti,;,he et i•k Uns said it was the first time during his life, et'he has been a shipwright for upwards of forty peals, p the Dree the pleasure of standing before a meeting such co -4 tti Drew the He thought it was his bounden duty to ter to hear what their views were before all persons ,7 it i 4 With the trade, or connected with the town. He e , f ; as a f l a Power, some years ago, to employ men him- We orerna n in that town. He was for a short while e ldd 4: 11 business as a master shipwright there, and he such 04 ye been so yet, if he had not fallen in with parties, th crew we re called ro bb er s. (Hear, hear.) He believed qu o as no M i t) w st an belonging to that association who could 1: 11 ill h i l i„ 11 upon his character, or say he ever oppressed a 1 1 . 4 that y 'Lip, but that he gave the best wages, and did the ' was a Y In his power towards all connected with him. kid L 4 s hi . I , 4 tv , Pwriqht in the old sooiety, founded in 1816, ttelnekhe something of the trials and troubles of life. He r ilt r e i it t al being in Liverpool at the time of the great i °ll ght i tit 27 , and sorry he was that at that time there was tl e i a e rsov as 4 ° question the name of a man who, for many I .,„,°Pe rat fuought to have been one of the greatest friends ""„e fo r „ ve s had in that town, and to whom they had often fi ll ed a „,a'tvice-that was Mr. Royden. At that time he a h C uee ,ting, and had the wages of the men knocked 14 4N: 1 4 9 4 14 s us. a day to 4s. He had then twenty or thirty at 'una ro , and not a man among them, and the men rather 41 0 43(1 014 ' , at this, which led to his taking that step. They f the 7 however, for seventeen weekg, and they conquered " 0 en d. At' th, i n', a m that time •Mr. Fitzpatrick was in their thl Wer e used to speak before audiences, representing how ketr . gt,„'° go through the struggle. Afterwards what did i t • Fritras masters do ? They . turned their backs upon ales i t 40Patriek, and would not give him a day's work, and Ittu gn , t t b een, which was a credit to him in one way, that l ' -1 10 ' , 'd hard, he might have been at that day in the d p , , instead of being a master shipwright. (Cheers.) t t ,,„ 1 4. g,,,the introduction of strangers he had little to say I N i"•, "h said sufficient on that matter. He should only • N tat he did not think, out of all the abundance of t o , 1 . 8 _ . . k Na‘ k now in Liverpool, there could be got fifty who kir,, .) I b i they had served their regular seven years. (Hear, )1 ., 44 1 1 „ . ,`1e hoped, for the good of all, that those who heard • •,, r „lit „" 1 „d still attend to their business, attend to their cotter r'"01, ) , - 7 Work like men, to show the shipowners of Liver all`tel e t? l tid ;;" the great merf that great mart, that they Itou` ' 4 'ic:lle m rx, and were win - to work. (Cheers.) Mr. the as , 4 4 ~ k r. II 1 1 concluded by seconding the resolution. the a !' , t 44 4 11 wh 4 : 48 0N spoke to the resolution. He observed that an hat t ~a ° had served their seven years' apprenticeship in led t tligif t ,rt could not be expected to work with those ship 'kers to i thy Ea > i a•S they called themselves, who never went through a ilor there an term of service, characters brought from here, V Ai ; Iti,! 1(l everywhre. (Cries of hear, hear, and cheers. tbull" lloit , •• "-)xtrrn stated that there was 600 of these shipwrights might; 1114 Liverpool. r i v ed P i - t O 4 1 ;;`e enAnniAist put the resolution, which was carried by novr 6. llunoits show of hands amid loud cheering , N e 3r,. ~... a 0 , 0.1, p, e , - ...• 1 1ARRISON moved the second resolutio . n. d. said ie L' l '',l tt lOUs to his reading it, he should feel much oblig ee if the He k e i t , n 4 airraan would read the second resolution adopted at the sick f ' o ,4 'ecting of the master shipwrights. ockt ile r ti The CHAIRMAN-Here is the reso l u ti on w hi ch Mr. Harri ta ot t `h wishes me to read-" That on and after Monday, the artb , j NI I nd t o ik i si nt, the wages for shipwrights be 7s. per day, and __ t t ioto , 41 11 .. r who shall, either 4 himself or by his foreman, 7. 10 ff tds , pa qter eaountv or otherwise, any man to leave a job, such t a if .1, Ors, 2, 1 1 be fi ned £5 and his name exposed in the public se s pit/ , v trlk il Tg that no omnibuses or carts be employed to take 4 , it zro l id /6 ~ ~,, t r. 1,.. 111 or to £heir work." ty 'o ,• pox elO 'IA./tu . len 8 Zti, e , 'sox said the resolution which he was about to .- i .t a era tai% L Iv i :j et ,ilag,l l l t ag . follows• " That it is the opinion of this adoPte ()fps , 1 ,,, in consequence of the great demand for ship effect , 1, 4 e, th"ear, and the advanced prices of the necessaries s. per Ita ~. . o a ti t t _after i they, bas sled '!, restrictions upon the with land Monday last , we accept 7s. per day, te i n g - taqueea cairn eir resolution of October 19tSo i part of our .,, em to ern h P much the ri , he 48 , th,:i t tu b their worthy secretary, that it was almost, 1/„‘ • lt,did T ., , Ina to eak upon the wages , question, because ' 1111 7 e ° -° e ° lll there to advocate is a-day, for that w °" ll 4 ' t re Per ilee ded to e 111). 160 0 it, e „ t o 1 ,, . them . But as the masters had thou ht• i that , i it : th ot 'aa li ,„ iv i.a into print, and stand the ordeal of criticism, g , to e ,T h at it It but right that that meeting should have a tit9o oo l P ion .. Wo rt first e - a ny way. (Hear, h ear, cheers and laughter). r` c ~,,, % I S r Person whom he should select for notice, was the T 0 e.., „ f e ,„ 44 . ••` Deno'' , let. I‘ l allt-head of the proceedings, Mr. John Wilson i a 6 . t o 7tw or ot twelve months ago , that gentleman employed a ll , w o , th e l'enb :, termed strangers. He found it to his disadvantage ha a t ia l " ol l liti k I .rVe; ‘ , 4e o lll ; He e then - begged,. and prayed, and solicited a l • -a . ~ I ' °I shipwright's association to come and work for i,, co cii,' ' t''illi.'-,- - ",t do o i ' k t o4t , ' 1 Y • Greene, who was in the body of the hall, ' iio tt 0, t • soli .. 4 , no. is te 0 1 c, A.,, to 't tb -- rttsex said Mr. John Wilson Greene actually did tieu 5 :th (14 ' e dele 10 6s. _ e,,, ct th ,, gates of that body to get a good foreman to ; til t e d t o e ! ' , I ttlakte i , ' ,.work . for him.. Mr. John Wilson Greene sai , d , ,d 10 . 'aliiT Ir ol olVvirights of Liverpool were a set of "bad uns, „ s blie: i i, • Itoilcr,) I,t r aave nothing to do with them. (Cheers and r for 4 4' l ha ves ''' ew would it be credited that that gentleman s a de s o - ka li no w I , 7 _,Poken in that way twelve months ago, and be la med I N slog as, the head of those very people, and. the worst ol d (ram ° f 'lien:l-the man who professed to be the warm lot, id tot# gets) ° the operatives, stood now the foremost enemy. • ilar'• G i t is , •erre t,, rt ors, J ' Th Ptt o - -No, no-(Cries of " Yes, yss," and, some . kta 11.) nelf tek 4 -Ar its , k. ellt h Ax-If Mr. Greene wishes, he can make any li-11,040 the -• 4 e Pleases , after our part of the meeting is over. sr- h, , 4 .4 tl i -, 4 b e e I SON said he should next refer to Mr. Royden, wana# . I l i E ta a a d o , ' t O4 w t : It' friend of theirs, and appeared quite fatherly 1 d , i , ;• ar ,,,ln e h t , would confine himself simply to one expres fa-,6 , \t 4l,l t 7g th' e a i t n gentleman had made use of, a suggestion 1 a i 1 4 . N ,tok li troduction of a document. Now . it was a 11 ; 1 % 4 '14 1 , 0 fact that their present chief magistrate-and • ciZtlt:'-w as tcl an More fond of popularity than Mr. Samuel t t at ellt i the very first who endeavoured to introduce . a • 1, 5 40 t li t° Liverpool, and he had never redeemed his 4i, • °II 1 4414,tatt b e t hat account up to the present day. (Cheers.) , ) 4 1. . )1 , h ad credited when such a talented man as Mr. ( Ilt h ne z , not succeeded in doing that, that . a man like i t Yen hefere not b eald attempt to get up and praise the clop- Vtifit - c'ngland ?. It was an act of tyranny, saying l e i Np r .ble, l 4 . ° t do so and so ;" bffiding the masters and bind hal bee "e n t ) a l' ail Mr. Holme's document was nothing in et h i 4 -4 il l „,° , Arr. Royden's. That society of shipwrights , t `ent, a "eath' f ltstence and supported one another in sickness go 4 ent, pr Years after years. Mr. Royden wished for a n e ,P oo kdet hi tti. e In get one. But supposing that society ka t , cal °ll th tl, •4 1 solv, e opposite tack ? Supposing they got up h l l 4 1 1 Igia;: and that they would not do work for any a ke its ale b b to the association-where would they be 01 ~"I ,. eta f , near, and cheers.) He thought that would 1 1 ; t ,e t 04 41 r e ° k very small. (Cheers.) A great deal had s the ~4 c the:dilig them from the press, and it was very f o ,°,Pe i .„`,use of e,,ess, although professing impartiality, taking ice 4i,'" , ,iv e ~a _ l'ac working-man. He had often read that tjer c h`ab ot , r. 3 at liberty to get as much money as he could % l t i t ll . l to th ?lea; hear.) If that were allowed to him til i c k l di e , sol eot e aw of the land, what right had the masters t, It tit 'ate Qthir!l conclave like the 'Venetian Council of Trent, 0 „ o ti ~.„. itraq laws, saying to the operative "thus far i,N'titl e T; l 3 and no further at, (Loud cheers.) There was te•"' part r„ ,b 0 could speak' of with credit, for the 1 (11!, 4 ,, 4 ,'Noti e ' aad taken, namely, Mr. Clayton. (Hear, *h il ly . en i s °ffihe masters charged him with having pro /AS Ari d ate a , , `, l a 3r, and he had the manliness to avow it . A h: th at ~D 4 ea .) That was to his credit, and it was It th ey 'iu pointed out such a man, and that was a lot e : 1,, all respected and honoured. (Hear, hear.) tot " ore e I,J/ Ord er , cheers for Mr. Clayton. (Cheers, and N o Vila, • ') f0, 11 4 1,441 1 .: 5 e r said there was a general feeling of the !lid tfl 4 menaY, and they would never come into col- If 4 4 14 1 '1 4 ., whom they found to act upon such straight tief en t 'ehi l Pies• (Hear hear •) A great deal had been the "to spasetetnriets' waies, how they rose and fell ; but deOto h , a k 1 .,. merely common honesty and common i to k ;leetiv, ai ttl,,, ,, e iz ,r ,r they would have a different version to ti• e ,stl; t ip c % • It was a well known fact that labour ti": 4 , i , gtato su pply and demand. If the masters had tVes 01 .' 1 _14 1 , 1 ,g_ to the public that in s pin of the 11:' (Ip er th e " eeedented demand for shipg, and the high ir:lit alive laecessaries of life, they were willing to assist t ii: e tin s ' there would 1 1 ,e s e NArt t°-day have been an accession from or , r t i e _ ell they • But they always acted in a contrary 4et or re , came before the public and employed 41 5rti a P e rt era, they should have remembered the m °o'e. ~t r aid at 7 1 eigli t " they n) en ele3 bo e atiy as ,sroin!,,,, Lt coedwben li al at oll, ivarl emen P pat lllg inen r thq.l ls - 50 657 I m et thel fiat A lss icd it :? quelle! e atit" j gd. - 0 1 Ivor. is. t O and 4-- dr men ) f tilo:j Cl4roN►'J ary .. i - the .t of wheth. .111 e . r al) Lat, bu le d the:A icie, are, t elle° L the e4' a tetad he Il s 6 ; Low 0- a to d the lion, Sr lor, tpoo -1 f the . 9 0 Opera. , mee t lIOt C 0 oh 0 ,0 le ass' v l3l :d o a p call /1 3 ly burl,, . )0 0 * th i o be l taiu r e) Lila TO Y le e nd bill Or t ij lP ill tll lat t y of tei - LIB , )11 54 11 0 1 11 Wiel),lo t yj. o g 'd 1 1 :J11 (lOC .11 " Oh, wad some power the giftie gie us, To see Ourselves as others see us." (Cheers.) Mr. LYNCH said that was the first time he had ever ap peared before a public meeting in his life, and it was a sense of duty which induced him to come forward and contradict some of the statements made at the late meeting of the master shipwrights of Liverpool. He and his friends were not altogether speech-makers, they were better ship-makers. (Laughter and cheers.) But it required very little oratory to tell the truth, and he thought it was a duty incumbent upon every man to come forward upon an occasion like that and express his indignation relative to that late meeting. of masters. (Hear, hear.) One great questi o n w hi c h involved the interests and the rights of the working man was very often lost sight of, that was the profit which he ought to have out of his labour. Every body through whose hands money passed had that profit, and the working man seldom or never had it. The working man ought tobe in a positionthat when he received his week's wages on the Saturday evening, he could put a portion of it up and say, " that will keep me comfortable for the week." That was what he called the profit upon his labour. As to a fixed rate of wages he had no objection, nor did he think any man in 'that place had. Circumstances like the present did not often occur, and where they did occur, a rise in wages would inevitably take place, without the men asking for it. Some of the merchants had been honorable enough to say—" We are doing very well ourselves, and we don't care about giving you a shilling or two more wages." (Hear, hear.) He had a very painful duty to perform in referring to Mr. Royden's statement. He said that half of them were in a state of starvation at present. Now such language was very unbecoming the character of a gpntleman and an employer. (Hear, hear.) He could stand up there and boldly tell that gentleman that the great majority of the shipwrights of that town were not only comfortably circumstanced, but he did not think they were at any period so comfortably circum stanced as at present; and the great majority of them had a little money by them to add to their' comforts if required. (Cheers.) Allusion had been made to the apprentices and the men as being all one, which he should contradict plainly as a falsehood. It was said that the apprentices had no cause to form` 'associations. The apprentices belonging to associations were in very few instances younger than 17 or 18, and they were moving on with the spirit of the age. He said there was good cause for their forming associations. (Hear, hear.) Accidents frequently occurred amongst them : a journeyman shipwright might get his kg or his arm broken, and many of the shipwrights wound - not have the honor or the gentlemanly conduct to pay them their wages, which showed the necessity of an association for apprentices. Moreover they gained in these societies the knowledge how to raise themselves in the world, and how the affairs of men were conducted in an honest manner. They were only fol lowing in the steps of the masters, who formed themselves into associations. (Hear, hear.) The masters only called that body a club, but if the secretary had read the" report of their last yearly proceedings, the meeting would see how much sick "money and death money that society had paid, which would be a credit to the Shipwrights of Liverpool. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) He regretted much that . he could not pass over without a remark the observations of Mr. Fitzpatrick. That gentleman made such a rambling speech that if he (the speaker) had not seen that it was applauded he should have thought he was not in his senses. (Laughter.) He *would pass him over as one of the enlightened members of stupidity. (Cheers and laughter.) Mr. QUINE said an opinion rested among the public of Liverpool, that it was the high rate of wages paid in that port that made the Dock Committee get other ports to have vessels built. A particular allusion had been made to No. 2 pilot boat, which was built in Ipswich. An editor of a newspaper stated that there was a difference of £5OO in its cost from what it would be in that port. Now, suppose that pilot boat was about 70 tons, and that £2 10s. per ton was given for building the hull, while the highest rate of wages ever paid in that port, the average being from £2 to £2 55., that would be, for building the hull, £175. For finishing the decks, . say £25. Making and finishing the masts, £1 14s ; bowsprit, £1 ss. ; boom, £l.3s. ; gaff, 14s ; the square sail yard, 9s. 6d. That would give a total for shipwright labour, of £205 ss. 6d. Now he had been credibly informed that the boat built in Ipswich cost £1,200. That would leave for the master ship builder £994 14s. 6d. That he thought, was an extravagant and an extortionate price for the master shipbuilders, and that it was which was draw ing away shipbuilding from the port, not the wages of the artizan. (Hear, hear). Mr. PHILIP KELLY called the attention of the meeting to what had been the system of shipbuilding in the port of Liverpool, and what was the present system carried out by the master shipbuilders. He, for one, had a sympathy with them, inasmuch as a few years ago they had to grapple with very great disadvantages. For instance, they had to remove from where the Brunswick Dock now is, at least a great many of them,.. down to where the Albert lock now is. - - WS/ la. AAA/ ..1.7• From that they had to remove, s o me t o th e nor th en d, TT and some elsewhere, and some nowhere. Some, he believed, had not carried on the shipbuilding department from that time to the present. The heads of the town, in his opinion, did not encourage shipbuilding in that respeet. So far as that 'went he deeply s ympathised with the shipbuilders of Liverpool. But what had they done themselves of late to shew to the public that they had been anxious themselves to encourage shipbuilding in that port ? Where were their cranes for lifting heavy:weights, such as placing booms in ships, and other conveniences for building ships ? Would any gentleman, any master shipwright, say that such a thing was impossible to have sheds to build ships under, and for men to work under, and thus prevent loss of time ? Recollect that Liverpool was acknowledged to be the greatest depot in the world, and he asked the meeting should not the shipbuilding department be most flourishing there ? There was a river near them, about 80 or 90 miles 'off, at Worrington, and in that little place there were sheds which did not cost more than £250 for its erection, and let them recollect that every shed was not simply for one ship, but that each shed w ould last for many years. Now the masters themselves, in Liverpool, had not manifested any anxiety for encouraging shipbuilding in that port. There were very few men at a time employed in each shipbuilding yard. The system of the masters, to his own knowledge, for the last fifteen years at least, had been that in the fram ing of a ship they had perhaps only from two to four men, or six men, framing it, and perhaps they might have two men or four men planking it. At the same time they might have several hands working out. It was the very hard and slavish work which kept men out of the yards, because as soon as a ship was come to the heaviest work a few more hands were brought in for the finishing, the squaring down of the planking, and caulking. He would like to ask any man if he would suffer to have a ruined constitution, and to undergo such abject slavery, when he could go elsewhere and get employment, and be allowed to work as a man should work, that was comfortably. (Hear, hear.) Would any man submit to it ? Would the masters, suppose they were placed in the working man's shoes ? He thought, verily, that it had been said that the builders ma nifested some anxiety to build ships, because they wanted strange men to go into the yards. He thought they must be very strange men indeed, to suit them or to suit the work. (Hear, hear, cheers, and laughter.) Surely they could not be men of flesh and blood, sinews and bones, like the men there were. What were they ? They could not be of steel, for that would be too brittle ; nor iron, for that would be too stationary. (Cheers and laughter.) They must be very strange . men indeed—so strange that they could not be found in existence. (Hear, hear.) He was fully persuaded in his own mind, that if the masters would - do all they could towards lightening the labour, and letting the men have an opportunity of doing a fair day's work for them in their yards, they would get plenty of men, over and above what they wanted ; but as it was, they kept the men out of their yards, and the few who once got in there, were fairly driven out. (Cries of hear, hear.) If there were any master present, let him prove that he, as an individual, had not acted in this manner. Was there any gentleman who had done anything at all to lighten labour ? He thought not ; and he believed it was only the very slovenly, unsyste matic way in which shipbuilding had been carried on up to the present moment, by wh•loh tho troth d=ine. u ut. of Liverpool. (Hear, hear.) The fault, he believed, in a great measure rested with the masters, inasmuch as the head men in the Town-Council had given some facilities recently, which never were offered before, and of which the masters had not availed themselves. The shipbuilders of Liverpool were certainly not a numerous class. They were all called shipbuilders who belonged to the association, but very few of them were really so. If he did not mistake, there were captains numbered amongst them, many of whom never served a single hoUr to the trade, and did not know A from B. in respect to the building of a ship. He was not there as an advocate for men as mailers, but for both. An impression had been on his mind for a length of time, that it was a pity some one better able than he, did not bring these matters prominently before the public and draw tlic masters out of their slovenly way of doing the work. (Hear, hear). They should avail themselves of the opportunities which had been given to them to the best of their ability. As_ that was an age of progress, the shipbuilding interest of Liverpool should surely not be an exception to the rest of the world, and to his knowledge, for fifteen or twenty years it had been at a stand still. (Hear, hear), He was not tow speaking as re garded th 6 models of the ships, but the system of building and carrying on the work of a building yard. (Hear, hear). - - - - Tile resolution was then passed and unanimously adopted. Mr. HUGHES Foposed the third resolution, which was as follows : " That in consequence of the many attempted acts of op pression from time to time upon the part of our employers, the members of this association pledge themselves to use every legal means in their power to support the association." (Hear, hear). Mr. HironEs, in proposing the resolution, described the many acts which had been done by the socie for the advan tage tits members. They paid each a halfpenny for every day that theyp, were employed, and in the course of the last five years tht had paid in sick money £4738 13s. 3d. (Cheers). They had paid of death money, for the interment of members and. their wives and widows ' £1,680, mak ing a grand total of: £6;418 13s. 3d. (Lou t h cheers). Mr. LINCERE, in seconding the resolution, mentioned an instance of a man who had broke his arm in the service of a shipbuilder in that town, and the shipbuilder, to avoid -paying his wages, offered to send him to Australia, which the man declined, saying, he might as well starve in Liver pool as there. (Cheers). Men had also been turned away for refusing to do their work ill a hurried and gloyenly way, THE NORTHERN DAILY TIMES. and now; owing to the resolutions of the society, no men would be found to take the places of these men who hid been thus dismissed, which would be the salvation of the lives and properties of hundreds, by rendering it necessary that every ship should be properly finished. (Hear, hear, and cheers). There were shipbuilders who told them, when they went to solicit and to buy a coffin for a deceased man, go to your association. This showed the necessity for an association of the kind. They were wanted to strike—it was the masters who wanted them to do so. (Hear, hear). Their society was never formed for a strike. (Cheers). Mr. MEAGHER and Mr. FISHER supported the resolution, the former commenting strongly upon the conduct of the ship builders, and the latter declaring that they might as well attempt to turn back the tide of the Mersey in twenty-fonr hours as to stop that society in three weeks, and saying that the calumnies against them had been uttered.by persons, some of whom were worse than ever had graced the Newgate calendar. (Cheers.) The CHAIRMAN then put the resolution, which was carried amid loud applause. Ths Chairman said that their business was now concluded, and, they would hear any gentleman who wished to contradict any statement which had been made. They would give him the opportunity which had been denied to them at the meeting upon last Wednesday. (Cheers.) Mr. Jon& WILSON GREENE then came upon the platform, and proceeded, after some interruption had subsided, to address the meeting. He said : Mr. Chairman and gentlemen, would not have attended this meeting had I not been requested by a very agreeable note from the Secretary of this association, and I was desired in consequence of it, to attend upon behalf of teh Shipbuilder's Association. I will first, before going into the general subject, make an illusion in reference to the remark made of me in respect to first standing by the men and then deserting them. I mention it now because it is perhaps better than to pass it over until a later period. I did some twelve months back employ strangers in preference to Liverpool men, and I will acquaint you how that preference originated. At the time I had two ships in dock-bolt requiring to be finished by a ceatain period of time, but in consequence of the scarcity of men, or from the circumstance of their keeping out of the way, I could not get the work done. In addition to that a few men whom I had employed in one ship were so idle, and so frequently absented themselves from work altogether, still de manding payment, that before the ship was half finished, she cost more money in wages, than a ship of her size ought to have cost when. finished. The consequence was, I frequently mentioned to the men how indignant I was at the course they pursued, not only to me but to others, but more particularly I allude to myself. I have been as long amongst them as almost any man in the town, and no man had a higher opinion a year ago of the Liverpool shipwrights than I entertained, and with regard to associations there is no man to whom I would yield, or who has a higher opinion of any association. club, or combination of men, whose exer tions are combined for their own benefit, without prejudice to the community. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) But if the combination embodies itself in a club of which the majority will not allow the others to work when they are inclined to work, then the consequence is that business is slackened, and I will yield to no man in saying that I will not allow busi ness to stop. I did, therefore, employ strangers to do the work. It has been said that I went to the officers of this association, and besought them to come and work for me. I replied when that was said " No," and I now reply "No," I did not. But upon the occasion of my going to the regu lating office for a ship which required a great number of men, the secretary met me and asked me what I was going do, as the strangers whom I employed had been offered an advance of wages and had gone away. I said to give up the business if I could not get men. " You need not do that," said he, "for we will go with you." "Very well," said I, "go to the ship." I never was an enemy to the men. I did no join the ship owner's asociation until last year, and I was led to so, as otherwise it would have been almost impossible that I could exercise my busi ness on account of the reprehensible conduct of the men. (Hear, hear.) Idleness was the masterpicee and he who was most idle was the best man. I mention this in the face of this association. I then joined the shipbuilders, society. The shipbnilders wished me to take a leading part, and 1 did so. There was no intention upon the part of that body to endeavour to destroy this association, as a benefit society, but merely as regarded the monopoly which it exercises over its members, and which is injurious to the port, and even to the men connected with the society. If there be a sufficient number of men in your club to do the business of the port, let them do it, and 1 would be the last man in the world to oppose them. (Loud cheers.) I would support them rather. But if I am employed to do work, and if I have on my list 50 or 60 men, and only find ten or a dozen about the ship, that will, of course, set me against those men, and induce me to employ strangers. Now, it is a fact, that during the last twelvemonths, lam almost certain there have been as many men in public-houses in the day as were to be found alongside the ship—men whom I employed, and demanded their pay. (No, no.) I can say, and I believe I may speak for the association, that if you will make restrictions, by which men will be prevented from going from one mate to another, and compel them to attend to their work when the bell rings, I, for one, will give the higher wages. (Cheers.) Bs. is better for me than 75., if the men would consent to do that. (Cheers.) I am far frombeing opposed to this association, my dis position is more for good order than anything, but all the powers upon earth should not make me go away from what I felt was right and what my common sense approved of. The associa tion will not admit strangers. 1 have as much respect for strangers as they have; but if there are not men enough in the club to carry on the work of this great town, we must get them to do it. If there are men enough here no one in Liverpool would feel more proud of it than I would ; but if a monopo lizing club like this—for I cannot resist using the expression— will not employ strangers, and will not give me men to do the work, what then am Itodo ? You were told that after em ploying Liverpool men I left them and employed strangers again. Now I will explain that, if it deserves explanation. Very recently a ship of mine, which is now again in dock, was docked by Liverpool men, and when I wanted 40 or 50 men I could not obtain more than 8, and next morning I could not find one. I have no doubt that the men were there. Then because I got strangers to do the work and could not get Liverpool men I took them. If the club has sufficient men to do the work, how is it that every ship in port wants men? There are ships in the docks of Liverpoal which have 4 or 6 men where they should have 40 or 60. If there are sufficient men, how is it that they do not show themselves ? Why is it that they are to be found in the streets and not in the docks ? Is it not to keep up wages? (Loud cries of "no," "no.") I am very glad to hear that answer. Bring your men to the docks, and I care not what your wages are. Mr. Green told the meeting that he felt sure he spoke the sentiments of the Liver pool ship-builders when he declared that he had no desire to employ strangers. And having concluded his statement, left the platform. The CHAIRMAN, Mr. Neill, Mr. Hughes, and Mr. Hansen briefly addressed the meeting in reply to Mr. Green, contend ing that there was not the demand for labour which the ship builders pretended, expressing a doubt) whether Mr. Green represented the feelings of the general body, and declaring a wish that all bickering and bad feeling should be avoided. Thanks were then voted to the Chairman, and the meeting separated. DEATH BY DROWNING:—James Shaw, master of the flat Egerton, was .going on board his vessel in the Bramley Moore dock, for the purpose of moving her to the other side of the dock gate, assisted by Edward Walker. There ladder resting on the deck of the flat, which Shaw laid down to get on board ; the flat was about ten feet from the edge of the Quay, and almost directly after Shaw got on the ladder it canted and he fell down between the flat and the wall. Walker jumped down at .once, with a boat-hook, but deceased did not rise again, and it was half-an-hour before his body was found. An inquest was held yesterday, and a verdict of ac cidental aeatn returne d. • DEATH FROM EXPOSURE TO COLD.—Last Monday afternoon, as Police Constable Thomas Smith was on duty at the Seacombe slip, he received informa tion, that the dead body of a female had just been brought in a boat. He went down to the boat, and had the body removed to the dead-house. Ho was told that it was brought from the ship Guid ing Star, in the river, outward bound. Mr. George Kemp, surgeon, afterwards made a post mortem examination of the body, and found the cause. of death to 'have been congestion of the lungs, most propably brought on by exposure to cold and want of suitable clothing. An inquest was held yesterday, and a verdict of death from natural causes returned. THE FATAL ACCIDENT DURING THE FIRE OF YES TERDAY MORNING—An inquest was held yesterday, touching the death of John Willa,n, a Fire Police Officer, which occurred during the fire on board the steam-tug Dreadnought, in the King's Dock, the same morning. John Kilsey, Police Inspec tor, deposed that he was assisting at the fire at the King's Pier Head, when the deceased came up. An engine was playing on the flames, when a fireman on board passed the word along for more hose. The man unscrewed the hose from the engine, and after attaching another length, was passing along the hose. The deceased still had the rope in his hand, as the word was given " there is enough," Ind they were taking a round turn, as firemen do, to prevent the hose bursting ; his back was to the water, and he was very near the edge of the Quay; a person sang out to him, " Mind ynu don't fall over," and as he spoke, the unfortunate man fell over the edge of the pier into the river. A zope was immediately thrown, but he did not seem to have power to take hold of it. When the grap ples were got it was 25 minutes before he could be got out. He was then dead. A verdict of accidentally drowned was returned. The jury made a presentment to the effect that there was not sufficient lamp lights along the King's Pier, to protect life, and that there was no life buoys at the Custom House hut, King's Parade. COUNTY COURT. - ---YESTERDAY ----_ESTERDAY The court sat at the usual hour, ten o'clock, this morning. A • WIFE'S IRRESPONSIBILITY—LANE V. DICKERSON.— Mr. Hime appeared for the defendant. In this case the plaintiff, Mrs. Lane, sought to recover of the defendant, a labourer, the sum of £2 3s. Od., which amount she had •advanced. The plaintiff stated about the month of Sept., 1852, the defendant's wife requested her to cash a shipping note for a young man, a sailor, named Hornby, at that time representing herself as his sister. She did cash the note, at the time being promised £2 7s. 6d., and the defendant's wife, in her presence, requested a young woman• to sign an agreement at the back of the note to the effect, that she would pay the amount. The ship went out, returned within nine days, and when it again went to sea, the young man refused to accompany it. She had applied to the defendant for payment, at which his wife was very angry, and he told her, he had no objection to pay the money at ls. 6d. or 2s. per week, but she must come again when his wife was in a better humour. A young woman signed the note because she believed the defendant's wife could not write, Defendant (ingignan.tly), I can write madame, , His Honor (addressing defendant) : Now, let me give you a caution, and through you, the rest of th e women w h o attend this court. I will have no misconduct here. You shall not disgrace yourselves in this court if I can prevent it. If you have no respect for yourself—you shall respect this court. Mr. Rime, for the defence, argued, that as the defendant had not given his wife any authority to sign the note, he was not liable. The defendant's wife was called.—She stated she was per fectly ignorant of the responsibility she had incurred ; nor did she know that her name was signed to the note. The young woman who went with her to the plaintiff's house, was uster to the sailor. His Honor : I do not believe one word• of your evidence. You stated you asked the plaintiff to cash the note ; but yet, you want to make the court believe that you did not know that you were responsible for the payment. The young woman, who accompanied the defendant, was called, but no questions were asked of her, at his Honor's req_yst,_ Honor, addressing the plaintiff said, the difficulty for her to get over was, could she produce any evidence to prove that the defendant had given his o ife any authority to sign the note. The Plaintiff said she could not. His Honor ; The plaintiff must in this case be non suited, but he was not certain that an action would not lie against the owners of the vessel, seeing that the vessel did go to sea. A DRUNKEN CHAIRWOMAN.—GUNTER V. PARKE.—In this action, the plaintiff, an Irishwoman, sought to recover of the plaintiff the sum of 9s. for services rendered, being at the rate of ls. per day. In answer to this demand the defendant alleged that the plaintiff had never been engaged by the day, but had consented to do the house work at 2s. 6d. per week, and that amount he had paid her. She left his service in consequence of getting drunk—most beastly drunk, when she went out, and was committed by the magistrates for three days for so doing. His Honor, asked the plaintiff if the allegation was true. Defendant—Your Honor, I did take a glass of whiskey, but I was not so very drunk, although I was drunk. His Honor : Go away with you. If a person gets drunk and neglects the duties they have to perform, and gets com mitted by a magistrate, they are not deserving wages. • FAMILY DIFFERENCES.—CATTERILL V. RUDLEY.—In this action, the plaintiff sought to recover of the defendant, a near relative, wages for seventeen weeks, at the rate of 10s. per week, for services performed. The plaintiff alleged that in the course of the year 1852, George Rudley, a publican, since deceased, had sent for him, and, upon his going to the house, he (defendant) found him very ill, so much so that he was not able to attend to the business, nor his wife, or his bar-maid. George ,Rudley asked him to take the charge of conducting the business, to which he assented, and told him that he was to make his own charge 'for his services. He continued in the house for seventeen weeks, in the course of which time George Rudley died, and the defendant, as his executor, had the licence transferred, and then turned the widow, who was also since deceased, out of the premises, she, at that time, being in a state of ill-health. The services he rendered were keeping a check upon the servants in the house, of which there were seven, and seeing that all was paid, and that nothing was destroyed or wasted. The plaintiff was related to Mrs. G. Rudley, while the defendant was related to Mr. George Rud ley, to whom he had left his property, but Mrs. Rudley, on her death, left some . property to his family. For the defence it was argued that the plaintiff and his family had been " hangers-on " upon the deceased's establishment, at which the former used generally to smoke his pipe, and take his grog, and that any trifling services he might have rendered to the deceased was amply repaid by the refreshments which he partook of generally most freely. This defence evidently much annoyed the plaintiff, and it was elicited that the de fendant was far from a temperate man, which caused hi m t o retailaw by urn,mi.- 6 4,3..4 —a also most intemperate persons. His Honor, considered that the plaintiff was entitled to some remuneration for the §ervices performed, during the illness of the deceased, but it was quite clear he had no demand upon the estate after the decease of Geo. Rudley. The Court gave a verdict for the plaintiff, for four weeks salary at 10s. per week. UNMANLY ASSAULT UPON A NURSP MAID.—CLAY v. HONEYBIRD.—In this case, the plaintiff, a respectable-look ing young female; claimed the sum of £2 10s., for three months' salary as wet nurse, according to a verbal agree ment made for nine months with the defendant's wife. Mr. Hime appeared for the defendant, a publican, living in Myrtle-street. The plaintiff, whose irritability frequently displayed itself during the case, stated that she had been discharged from her employ without the least notice, and for no other cause than that she requested to go and see her baby, and upon being refused permission, she went without leave. On her return at eight o'clock in the evening, the door was closed against her. She waited about until late at night, when she went in at the front door; upon which the defendant rushed after her, seized her by the arm, pushed her down, and turned her out of the house. She had no place to hide her head, and walked about until early the following morning. For the defence it was urged, that the plaintiff was not entitled to receive any salary, she having misconducted herself by leaving the house after being in formed that she was not so to do. His Honor concurred in the defendant's view of the case, but gave his permission to enter a plaint for an assault. The plaintiff proved the assault committed upon her by the defendant on the night in question, when he turned her out of the house. Mr. Hime admitted the assault, which he could not justify, although doubtlessly the plaintiff had been guilty of great indiscretion. His Honor considered the assault most un justifiable, and that the defendant had been guilty of a most unmanly act, in assaultin g th e p l a i n tiff , an d turn i ng o ne so young into the street. Verdict for the plaintiff, damages 20s. IMPORTANT TO TRADESMEN.-LIABILITY OF AN OMNIBUS CONDUCTOR, Ellis v. Bughes.—This was an action brought by the plaintiff, Mr. John Ellis, tailor, North John-street,to recover of the defendant, Mr. Hughes, the conductor of an omnibus, plying betiveen Liverpool and Aigburth, the sum of £8 the value of a parcel entrusted to him to deliver at the Aigburth Hotel. Mr. Hime appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. Grocott conducted the , case for the defendant. Mr. Hime in opening the case for the plaintiff said, the present was an action of great importance to the tradesmen of the town, it was an action to recover the value of a parcel sent by the plaintiff to the Aigburth Hotel, to a gentleman by the name of Edward Von Euck, to be left there until called for. On the 19th of August, the plaintiff sent, by a lad, a parcel, which parcel was delivered into the defendant's hands, the boy giving him 6d. for the carriage, which was more than the amount usually charged. As the parcel did not arrive at its destination, the plaintiff made inquiries of Mr. Hughes to know what had become of it, and finding that he did not annear to knew an in about it, the nyesent nm.;" was commenced. lie (Mr. Rime) had several counts to go upon, but he did not know which he should elect, until the evidence was before the court. He then called the plaintiff, Mr. Ellis, who deposed to sending a parcel by the lad, directed " Edward Von Euch, Esq., to be left at the Aig burth Hotel until called for." The parcel nut arriving there, he had a communication with the defendant, whom he had known as the conductor of the omnibus.. In his cross-ex amination by Mr. Grocott, he stated 'he ""believed the plain. tiff was the conductor of the omnibus. The name of Philips was on the omnibus as owner. The contents of the parcel had not been paid for. The lad, Robert Shaw, deposed to giving the parcel into the hands of the defendant, and paying him 6d. for the carriage. Mr;llime said that that was the case for the plaintiff. Mr. Grocott replied that he did not see that there was any case. Honor wished to know which count Mr. Hime would elect. Mr. Hime : That of trover. A short conversation took place between his Honor and Mr. Hime, the latter contending that the mis-delivery of a parcel, although the defendant was not a carrier, would make him responsible. His Honor thought, that as the defendant was only a servant to the proprietor, an action would lay against the owner of the omnibus. Mr. Hime called the defendant, who stated he was formerly the owner of the omnibusses, but that they now belonged to his brother. in-law, Mr. Philips, and that he was only conductor, re ceiving 30s. per week as his salary. They did not care about carrying parcels, when they did take any, he and the driver divided the money. Mr. Rime said he had proved sufficient to make the defendant responsible, as he had ad mitted that he took the money for the parcel. Mr. Gar cott assented, and his Honor gave a verdict for the plain tiff. Damage £B, to be paid in four monthly instalments. Several other cases were disposed of f bat none possessed imy public interest. The Court adjourned. Last evening, a well-known thief was stopped by Police Constable 288, Squires, coming from the Theatre Royal, and there were seven silk pocket handkerchiefs found in his possession. Two of the handkerchiefs were marked ; one with the letters F. W., and the other with the name Edward Nor ris, G. N. COURT OF PASSAGE.-YESTERDAY, (Before EDWARD JAMES, Esq., Q.C.,_Assessorl JEFFREYS AND AN OTHER v. lITJDSON.—Mr. Aspinall and Mr. Raffles, instructed by Mr. Toulmin, appeared for the plaintiffs ; and Mr. Blair and Sir George Stephen, instructed by Mr. Bremner, were for the defendant. The action was brought to recover £lO2. 12s. ld., for goods sold and de livered, under the following circumstances :—'l'he plaintiffs were in partnership at the time of the transactions, the sub ject of the issue, as woollen drapers and mercers, and carried on business in Ranelagh-street, and Price-street; and the defendant is a master pilot of this port. It appeared that the defendant was in the habit of dealing with Mr. Jeffreys', and that some years since he called at the shop in Price street, with alady, whom he introduced as his wife. On that occasion he purchased some goods, and - paid for th em , but he also told Mr. Jeffreys to give his wife any articles which she might require' for her own use, and that of the house, and that he would be responsible for them. An ac count was accordingly opened with Mrs. Hudson, and goods to a considerable amount were furnished to her from time to time. The goods were sent first to Mill-street, and then to Plumb-street, where the plaintiffs alleged a public house had been opened by the defendant, though carried on in the name of Holden, the step-father of Mrs. Hudson. Pay ments were made on account from time to time ; and the amount now sued .for was the balance of an account extending from 1850 to 1852, a period of two years. On the part of the defendant it was alleged that Mrs. Hudson was not his wife, though he cohabited with her, and that therefore he was not liable ; but of this cir circumstance the plaintiffs were not aware until about six months ago. It further appeared that Mrs. Hodson man aged the public-house in Plumb-street, and that the defendant lived there for some time ; but be alleged that he was in the house merely as a lodger, and that as such he paid for everything he got. He further alleged that he was then separated from Mrs. Hudson, by whom he had four children, and that the public-house was established by her with the £5OO which he gave her as a parting gift, for the benefit of her children. He alleged that he did not know that his reputed wife had obtained this credit, but he ad mitted that, though he had frequently thought her over dressed, yet that he had not cautioned Mr. Jeffreys or any other party that he would not be responsible for her debts. After RAMA consultation amongst no enunsol on either aide, it was agreed that the question of liability should be merely left to the jury, and that, if the verdict should be in favour of the plaintiffs, one of the jury should examine the books and determine the amount due. The plaintiffs, Mr. Jeffreys and Mr. Morgan, were thtn examined, and deposed to the fact of Mrs. Hudson having been introduced at their shop by the defendant, and to the delivery of the goods, at her order, at the defendant's houses in Mill-street and Plumb-street. It also appeared in evidence that, though the defendant's near friends might have been aware that he was not married to Mrs. Hudson, yet that she was always called by that name in his presence, and that she was commonly believed to be his wife.—The jury found for the plaintiffs. A short time since, the defendant was also sued in the County Court for spirits supplied . to the house in Plumb-street, but on that occasion the verdict was in his favour, the plaintiff having failed to prove that he had any interest in the house. Before the rising of the Court, the juryman to whom the account was referred, informed the learned Assessor that he had found that £97 Bs. was due.—Verdict accordingly for that amount. LAWSON V. GRIFFITES.—Mr. Atkinson, instructed by Mr. Owen, appeared for the plaintiff; and the action was brought to recover damages for injuries sustained by the plaintiff through the negligence of the defendant's servants. The plaintiff is an aged washerwoman, and the defendant is a master builder in this town ; and it appeared that on the third of last December his men were employed repairing an ash-pit in Princess-place. They discontinued work in con sequence of the rain, about half-past nine o'clock that night, and on leaving they stowed away the bricks by the wall of the passage leading from Clayton -street to Princess place. The plaintiff returned home about eleven o'clock, and on going up the passage she fell over the bricks and was seriously injured. She alleged that the bricks were negli gently placed there, and accordingly brought the present action to recover compensation for her injuries.—Mr. Griffiths appeared in person, and conducted his case with much good sense and tact. He termed the case an attorney's speculation, and observed that he would have employed conusel to, conduct his case, were it not that he knew, if the verdict was in his favor, he could not recover costs from the plaintiff.—The court, however, remarked, on summing up the evidence, that the action could not be termed an attor ney's speculation, inasmuch as the plaintiff had suffered serious injury.—Verdict for the plaintiff—£3 damages. DAVIES v. PEERS.—Mr. Blair, instructed by Mr. Ather ton' appeared for the plaintiff; and Mr. Simon, instructed by Mr. Roby, appeared for the defendant. The action was brought to recover £l5O, under the following circumstances : It appeared, from the statement of counsel, that the defend ant was a publican in this town, and that a few years ago the plaintiff took from him the logarth Vaults, Litherland -IPV ThP Vazilf;, dated the 18th of June, 1850, and it set forth that the plain tiff should pay for them a rent of £4O a year, to commence in July—that he should pay down a deposit of £l5O, and neither re-let, nor make any alterations in the vaults, without the consent ,of the defendant. He was also bound to keep the house in good tenantable condition, and not.to violate any of the Excise laws, which could endanger the license. Occupation continued under this agreement up to the month of July in this year, but the plaintiff having in the mean time taken another house which suited him better, gave notice to the defendant, and endeavoured to find him another tenant. The defendant was not favourable to this change— he refused to take any other tenant, though several offered, or to accept the surrender of the plaintiff, who accordingly brought the present action, to recover the amount of the deposit. On the part of the defendant it was contended, that the plaintiff had violated the terms of the agreement, and that the premises had been considerably dilapidated, owing to their being so long untenanted. The examination of the defendant not being concluded at half-past six o'clock, the further hearing of the case was adjourned to this morning. MUNICIPAL ELECTION. MEETING IN GREAT GEORGE'S WARD A public meeting of the burgesses of this ward, favour able to the return of Alexander Shand, Esq., as its repre sentative in the Town Council, was held last night, at Mr. Lawson's, Great George's Tavern. Mr. Wagstaff, T. C., in the chair. The CHAIRMAN, in opening the proceedings, alluded to Mr. Clayton's resignation as their representative, and moved the thanks of the electors to him, for the attention he had paid to the interests of the ward during the time he had represented it. Mr. THISTLE seconded the resolution, which was unani mously adopted. Mr. CLAYTON briefly acknowledged the compliment. Mr. Alderman COOPER then moved a resolution to the effect that Mr. Alexander Shand was a fit and proper per son to represent the ward in the town council. His position as a merchant and shipowner of long standing, and his great experience, well qualified him to attend to their interests. Mr. CLAYTON seconded the resolution, which was unani mously carried. Mr. SHAND then came forward and was loudly applauded. After praying their indulgence, as it was the first time he was about to speak on his own behalf, he said he had no antece dents to bring forward as to his character, to induce them to return him for the first time to the Council. He came amongst them as an untried man, and therefore they should take his word for his good intentions. (Hear, hear.) He (Mr. Shand) believed that it had been stated that he was the nominee of the Constitutional Association. (No, no.) He did not mean that the meeting said so, hut if any of them read the Journal of last Saturday, they would find that it said so. (Cries of "we don't read it.'s) He owed nothing to the Con stitutional Society, the only parties to whom he was indebted were toe gentlemen wnose names were to too requisition winen he held in his hand. (Hear, hear.) He believed that the matters most occupying the public mind at the present moment were Town improvements. (Hear, hear.) He was certain that if Park-lane were widened so as to make a good thorough fare from the south to the north end of the town, it would be one of the greatest benefits that could possibly be conferred on Liverpool. He was aware that there was a strong party for the widening of Church-street, and as he conceived it would ibe a great improvement if that were done to some extent, he did not know but that if it were brought forward in a judicious shape he would support it, though at the same time he would advocate the widening of Park-lane in preference to it. (Applause.) He thought that the baths and washhouses should be made as perfect as it was possible for them to be, if the poor were to have the benefit of them at all ; and as there was a scheme before the Council to bring saltwater up to all the baths, he would support it, and thereby enable the poor to enjoy that luxury or comfort as well as the rich. As for politics, he thought they ought not to be carried into the Council chamber, if they could possibly be avoided. (Hear, hear.) But if his political opinions had to be exercised, he would determinedly maintain those in which he had been brought up—his conservative principles. (Applause.) As to the education of the poor, his firm con viction was that there was but one education they could give them, and that was, to found their education on the Bible. (Hear, hear.) Let them give the poor man a sound Scriptural education, and they made him a good subject, who would fear his God, honour his Queen, and obey the laws ; (applause) and who, leaving the public-house, would seek in the bosom of his family, that peace and comfort which was only to be found in the domestic circle. (Hear, hear.) A committee was then appointed, and the meeting separ ated. Jones, Shopkeeper, FATAL ACCIDENT.—WiIIiam living at 23, Drury-lane, 66 years old, went at two o'clock on Sunday morning, to watch the b arque Crusader, lying at the Last side of Georges' dock. He had been drinking, and was only about three hours in bed. It appears that soon after getting on board the ship he fell off the stage, and died from paralysis brought on by the injuries which he received. EXPENCES FOR TRANSPORTATION.—III a late re turn it is stated that the expenees of transportation in the year ended the 6th of 'January last, were £87,337. NEWMARKET RACES—YESTERDAY. Handicap Sweepstakes, D.M. Dead Heat with Snarry and Lucy Banks colt. Four ran. Handicap Sweepstakes. First Half A.b.M. Loretta 1 Eight ran. Sweepstakes of 10 sous F. by Vernlam .. A55ayer.................. Ab.M. Four ran. £5O Subscription Plate. Vestige Seven ran LIVERPOOL MA RK ETS.--YESTERDAY. • Written expressly for the _Northern Daily Times : SUGAR continues very quiet, and the sales to day are limit• ed to 680 bags low grainy Bengal at 29s to 34s per cwt. In MOLASSES rather more has being doing again, 160 pun. cheons Antgua having been sold at 17s 41.1 per cwt. from the quay. Of rum no sales CoFFRE.—A cargo of Rio, consisting of about 2200 bags, has been sold at last for a new continental port at 45. 6d par cwt. Nothing further has transpired in RicE; but a small parcel of pearl sago is reported at 20s per cwt ; and 15 tons sapan wood at £l2 5s per ton. _ In TEA there has been less doing to day, in consequence of helders witholding their stocks from the market, waiting the receipt of the China letter. A large quantity of produce was brought forward to day for public sale, but comparatively little took place. About 15 casks of TARTAR were disposed of chiefly brown, realising 108 s to 112 s; grey 116 s and cream 140 s; also, a few casks white ARGOLS at 101 s; 400 bags MYRABOLAMS at On 0.2 , i cases brown CASTOR Ott .4. Did per lb., and 350 bags LIN SEED "all faults" at 20a to 53s per quarter. vui,ur.—ine sales to day are MU to ()Ulm bales, all to the trade. The market has been somewhat depressed, and closes more early than yesterday, owing, no doubt, to the ad vices brought by the Baltic. Compared with Friday's rates, prices of all sorts are little or more changed. . OVERLAND MAIL! The Indian Mail arrived at Marseilles yesterday morning. E A TURKEY AND RUSSIA. The following telegraphic despatches have been received by Submarine Telegraph via the Hague : TRIESTE, OCT. 25, 5 p.m.—The Lloyd steamer has arrived from Constantinople, with news to the 17th Cctober. Prince Gortschakoff's reply had arrived. General Prim is said to have obtained a command. The united fleets are advancing towards Gallipoli. The passage of the Dardanelles by the combined fleets of England and France, may be looked upon as positive, the French government having received a telegraphic despatch, announcing the fact of their entry on the morning of the 14th. A letter from Paris of Tuesday says :—The German papers which have arrived here to-day state that Omer Pacha has not only commenced hostilities, but that he has actually crossed the Danube at Oltemiza, and beaten the Russians. This appears to be rather premature ; but at all events despatches have been received here to-day, dated Vienna, the 24th, which brings accounts from Constantinople of the 15th. At that date, although the combined fleets had not arrived be fore Constantinople, they were daily expected, and the government was actively preparing for hostilities. The answer of Prince Gortschakoff was looked upon by the Divan as a decided refusal on the part of Russia to evacuate the Principal ities, and orders had been sent to Omer Pacha to commence active hostilities forthwith. The des patch adds that the Turks had passed the Danube; but it is unnecessary to say that the assertion, to use a French phrase, merits confirmation.' It is curious, however, that the same news should arrive from both sides at one and the same titno ; and it renriprc it comtromoly- probable that Omer Pacha will not delay advancing on the enemy. FRANCE There is no news of political interest in the even ing journals. The Patrie contaium an account of a dreadful event in the Rue de Angouleme. A lady living there with her daughter, aged about 5 years, had been in the habit of receiving the visits of a gentleman, but for some days neither she nor her visitor had been seen, and to-day the Commissary of Police was sent for to break open the door. The gentleman jumped out of the window with his throat cut, and was killed on the spot. The lady and her child were found dead from the fumes of charcoal. SUICIDE OF A. LUNATlC.—Yesterday a lunatic named Margaret Connor, committed suicide in the workhouse. HEARTLESS ROBBERY--Between eight and ten o'clock last night, the stall of Mrs. Collin, a poor woman in Cleveland-square, was entered by skeleton keys, and 30 pairs of women's and children's boots and shoes stolen. THE CHARLES STREET MURDER.—From en quiries made at the Northern Hospital, at 10 o'clock last evening, we found that the wounded man, attacked by the Charles-street murderer, was considerably better; but the doctors did not consider him by any means out of danger. OFFICE ROBBERY.—Mr. GibbollS'S office, Beck. worth-street, was broken open last night, having been en tered by skeleton keys. and £6 in money, and a quantity of postage stamps stolen therefrom. STEAM BETWEEN LIVERPOOL AND CASTLETOWN.— A movement is being made to establish a line of steamers direct between Liverpool and Castletown. A meeting of the most influential gentlemen and merchants of Castletown has been held at which a provisional committee was formed, and a public meeting of the inhabitants is about to be called. 13irtbg, fßarriazto, aitir Otatbz. BIRTHS. On the 24th instant, at Edgbaston, Warwickshire, the wife of John Miller, Esq.. 3rd Dragoon Guards, of a son. On the 24th instant, at Edinburgh, the wife of Alex. Mitchell Innes, Esq., younger, of Ayton Castle, Berwickshire, of a son. MARRIAGES On the 25th instant, at St. Peter's Church. Pimlico, William Brodrick, Esq., eldest son of the Hon. and Rev. W. J. Brodrick, rector of Bath, and nephew of Viscount Midleton, to Augusta Mary, third daughter of the Right Hon. Sir Thomas Francis Fremantle, Bart.. of Swanbourne, Bucks. On the 25th inst, at St. Barn T• abas' Church, William Hugh Russell, W 2/•• • • ••• .2 ,.• • • . • • . Sarah Katharine, youngest ciaugliter of William Stephens, Esq., of Clapham-rise. On the 20th instant, at St. Bartholemews's Church, Salford, John Aspinwall, son of Mr. James Haslam, of Bolton, to Alicia Hannah, only daughter of Mr. Thomas Bothwell. Oldfield-road, Salford. On the 20th instant, at the Parish Church, Bury, by the Rev. the Rector, Samuel Holker, Esq., to Catharine Harper, both of Bury. DEATHS. On the 22nd instant, at her residence, Pembroke-place, aged 65, Isabella, relict. of Mr. Thomas Hardman, of this town. On Monday morning, the 24th instant, at Hayes-place, Lisson grove, London, atter lung suffering, Margaret Ann, eldest daughter of the late Admiral Daly, C.B. On the 24th Instant, at Woolwich, Elizabeth wife of Captain Dwyer, R.N. and daughter of John Hall, Esq., of Weston Conville Cambridgeshire. Oni the 24th instant, in Upper Montagu-street, Montagu-square aged 31, John James, only surviving son of the late William H Renwick, Esc., of Canterbury. On the 23ra . instant, ages 34 years, Martha, eldest daughter of Mr. James Bradburn, corn dealer, Didsbury. On the 22nd instant, aged 67 years, John Alcock, Esq., of Gatley Hill, near Cheadle, Cheshire. LIVERPOOL SHARE MARKET-YESTERDAY, We have had a very fair market to-day, which closes at a considerable advance, but not at its best. The sales are : East Counties, 11i ; East Lancashire, 159 ; Irish South East ernn, ad ; Lancashire and Yorkshire, 621-1-6264-1-a ; London and North Western, 1024-103c-26-3c ; shares, Par ; -4- shares, new, di ; Manchester, Shefield, and Lincoln, 19 ; Midland, 581-9-1-94-1-14 ; Shropshire and Hereford, d 2 ; South Eastern Stock, 176-i-t; York, Newcastle, and Berwick, 15i ; York and North Midland, 24. The following are the closing prices : —Caledonians, 231-11; Eastern Counties, 1102,i ; Lancashire and Yorkshire, 620 ; London and North Western, 1024-3; Midland, 596-I ; s ou th Eastern, 170; Sheffield Stock, 19-20. MANCHESTER SHARE MARKET - -YESTERDAY. To-day, prices are firmer, and a moderate amount of business has been transacted : — Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire, 11d; Eastern Counties, 1 11-13-16—I ; Irish South Eastern, xd ; Lancashire and Yorkshire, 6241-1-3-2 i London and North Western, 1022; M. & B. Qrs. C, 5-18 p; Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincoln, 191; Midland Railway Consols, 581-11 ; Shropshire Union, xd ; South Eastern, 17 ; Paris and Orleans, xd & int ; Paris and Stras burg, x.n; Rouen and Havre, x.d ; Macclesfield Canal x • d • 1 , Manchester Fire Assurance, ISp. LONDON CORN MARKET.-YESTERDAY A very moderate supply of English wheat ;as on offer in to day's market. For all kinds, the demand was by no means active, but no change took place in the quotations. Foreign wheat, the imports of which have amounted to 7,680 quarters moved off slowly, at Monday's advance. Float ing cargoes were very firm. _ We had a very moderate inquiry for barley, at full currency. Malt sold steadily on former terms. We had a good sale for oats, at extreme quotations. Beans, peas, and flour were firm, and quite as dear as on Monday. ARRIVALS THIS • WEEI{• Wheat. Barley. Malt. Oats. Beans. English ... 1140.. 1610 .. . . 1040. . 320 Scotch Irish : : 200 . • —• • 5090 Foreign-7680 ... 2710 .. • . ~,6140. ,,...,, Flour. —lO7O ski. sks. 3,420 bet.