Northern Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-08-11 00:00:00

TOWN COUNCII YESTERDAY An adjourned meeting of the Town Council was held yesterday, William Preston, Esq., Mayor, in the chair. Mr. JEFFERY rose on a question of privilege. lie said, before the council proceeded with the regular business, he had to ask their indulgence on a Question of Drivi- member on the last day of t ho believed it his rerafive to Parliamen r personal to themselves le:rccollection of the counqil that, incidental to a debate, in which 1 in London, when a bill was before porate &ellequer to that of ti Board, it T truth in what he sait erroneous, Rir.se ti- granted a millior. 'an If compen.sa a for the town In reference to lii Ridge, and bragg,c man present on I moray of .11r. Turner name of the gentlen oeeathon referred to, but who N liter.) There was 'a, gentle: ivho corrsborated the testi- Ile (Mr. Jeffery) mentioned the Nhom he had acted on the FRS not in his place when he on the last day. That gentleman was now in his place, and he would ask him, by the per mission of the council; to state to the council what took hlace on that occasion, to which he was a party as well as imself. It would then be for the council to say whether the remarks he made were torrect or not. He would there fore ask Mr. Gladstone to state what took place. The MAYOR IRA it to the council whether they would hear Mr. Gladstone ; and the council assenting, Mr. GLADSTONE presumed that on the present occasion his duty would be to confine himself strictly to those matters which the newspapers had reported. as a " scene" between 31r. Jeffery and the chairman of the Dock Board, Mr. Turner, and not attempt to digress into any general remarks having a reference to observations made by either of the two speakers on the occasion of the last meeting.of that council. With reference' to the first point of which he believed he was to offer a remark upon,—the proceedings of the Birken- made the observatioi bead Dock Committ attention, of having been in Live being nresent. at th consequently n for him to say from his own e. On the second point, as respected the petition 'which the chairman of the Dock state transmitted 'by Mr. ;North to London, he might be permitted to remark that, consequent on that course of action, the Town-clerk advised Mr. Jeffery and himself, if that petition was deposited in regular course, to adopt a similar course, „and petition the House of Commons them selves, praying that they might be heard at the House of Commons,—not the House' of Lords,—for the purpose of knowledge what 'took place communicating to the house that the statement set Korth in that petition was not correctly founded upon fact: and pray *, to be heard in opposition to that petition, and in con firmation of their own 'views, as set forth in their own. petition. The remarks 'made by Mr. Jeffery on that par ticular point were, he believed,- in every particular and in .every sense of the word strictly correct. With regard to :the third point, th a t o f th e su pp or t g i v en by the chairman of the Dock Estate to the measinte of the bill before the house for granting a million and a half compensation to that , ;corporation, in lieu of th e t own d ues , as a consideration of their being taken away, he would certainly himself say 'that the impression was strongly on his mind that the bill, instead of meeting with the approval of the chairman .of the Dock Committee, received no counte nance - whatever, no support whatever from hiM. Re could not call to mind any one fact; 'any single ;expression, which. fell from him calculated to accom plish or accelerate the' settlement of. the matters in the Petition. And as a proof of this, he might mention that when, the hour of trial arrived, when the critical period at which:the bill would either be pushed forward or thrown out, _there was no one, with the exception of the Town cterk, who certainly did his duty very ably at that period hear)---there was no one to represent or to defend the interests of that corporation but Mr. Jeffery and him- Ti c would not on the present occasion make any remark upon those polite expressions, or statements, of literature to which he made no pretensions--the words ‘, b os h," "braggadocia," and " fudge ;" but he believed if Mr. Jeffery' and himself bad not been constantly in London, the Towu-clerk would not have felt himself autho rised to deal with those matters, in regard to which Mr. Jeffery and himself felt themselves called upon to interfere, from the circumstance of nearly all the gentlemen having left London, and the Town-clerk having no one with whom he could:V. l 'o counsel. With respect to the statements made by Mr. Jeffery, they were in all truth, in all feeling and spirit, formed by a correct representation of what actually did take place. Mr. CHAILLES TURNER said he hoped the council' would also allow him to say a few words in explanation. Mr. Jeffery had that morning altered his arena in this matter. Gladstone had alluded to that morning ' • but also stated, he believed, that the Dock B oar d h a d done their best to prevent the corporation getting £650,000 compensation for the town dues, and more than their best to prevent them getting a million and a-half. He therefore did not known whether Mr. Jeffery meant to adopt that. But it might be necessary to give a succinct history of the whole of what passed on that occasion, in order to prove that Mr. Jeffery and Mr. Gladstone, to say the leaAt of it, were quite mistaken. The as they were all aware, was introduced by the railway companies and the Manchester gentlemen before the House, for the purpose of removing the election from the hands of the corporation —leaving them without any interest whatever in the elec- Aion of the Dock Trust, and putting their Dock Trust into the hands of the ratepayers to elect a number of gentlemen, .with the addition of three g-overnment nominees, and with ,out giving one farthing comp ensa ti on t o t h e corporation for the town dues. Had it been true that the Dock Committee or the merchants of the town wished the corporation not to ,receiv.a compensation for thn town dues, it was quite clear Itheir. course would have been to support that bill as far as 4hey possibly could. Mr. Gladstone had observed that he bad not heard any observation on the part of himself (Mr. T or).in support of the claim on the part of the corpo rafion.of the town. Of course, it was not for him to .what Mr. Gladstone's recollections might be, but Mr. Gladstone appeared to have a vivid recollection, accord ing to himself ; of what he (Mr. Turner) said on' one side of the question, but not the slightest recollection of what he said on tha other side. Now, he would put it to the cowl- cil, is every member who knew anything of the transactions, to gentlemen in London as well as in Liverpool, whether the Dock Committee and himself, the Dock Committee as a body, and himself individually,. did not do all they possibly could to support.theooFporation in their opposition to that bill ; and they were instigated to do so, because they considered it was a perfect tAbory of the corporation funds. When that bill 'was put into a committee of the House of Commons, Sir James Graham was the chairman Of that committee; he thought Sir James -Graham thought the corporation should receive £650,000 in -compen sa ti on for the town dues. -The corporation consid ere d, an d h e considered, that t . was a veil inadequate ,sum, and the Dock Committee aneed with tharimpFession th a t ,that was not a proper 6 amount. 'A bit was introduced; proposing that amount of eonapensa ,tion, and he appealed to the town-clerk—in fact, Ahem was no doubt but Ac Dock Committee, in conjunction (With the corporation, opposed that bill. They did not op- pose it as Mr. Jeffery put it, but because the corporation ;were unwilling to receive -that amount. So far did they carry their opposition in this matter, that, as the town clerk would show them, the bill was withdrawn in a very crude state as to the mode of carrying on the dock estate. They declined to endeavour to have the bill amended i n th e Muse o f C ommons w ith res pect Jo clauses of arrangement and detail, which were considered to be very injurious to ' , " e ( Irk estate, because they were advised—and he again APPea ed to the town clerk—that they should not be in so ;Pod a positi,an to oppose the bill in the House of Lords. Re the to all legal gentlemen whether, had they taken e "rse to amend the bill in the Howe of Commons, it would ha ve . . with the Honse preAtznted them opposing it iso much force in fis of Lords Accordingly, in the interest of the town w"e eor poratiQn . agreed to oppose that l, because an inadequate - • e lP h e e eßation was provided. was put n i t„, When that bill very gr . eat e, • , justice house of Lords, he thought, with that P Aceedings, it was e and propriety which characterised their without a fair eompetlei4'!d that that bill should not proceed as sent to the corporation for the town dues, and the bill sent to committee. If his,recollee tion served him, that adjourned to settle the amount of compensation between the parties. The time afforded by that adjournin enabled the corporation lo agree to a sum, and it was arrange between the promoters of the bill, and the corporate au i o that a million and a-half should be the amount recoanrrrclasiFig.'efor the town dues, The emlimittee confirmed that before, that pr7laceti The town clerk was aware, as he said a s regarded the management of the dock Zaesote,iol&ta-ie inained in the bill—many matters which the mato, thought were extremely objectionable —ate the c onsidered ,it their duty — the question of compenseay.. ti o n being- settled quite 'to their satisfaction, an d to the satisfaction of the Town Council —to en deavour to get those objectionable parts of the bill amended. Before the committee they did try to get them 0 amended, and upon a variety of P 41444 they failed tQ get them amended; and when the bill passed the House of Lords, very objectionable to the Donk Board. the House of Lords had so interfered with the privileges of the House of Commons that it was totally i mposs ibl e that that bill, as it stood, could pass into law; and the only way, the sessions being nearly terminated, was to have a new bill introduced, based upon the principles of the old one, and get it passed through the House of Commons. As the chairman of the k -Comir had to.consider th nnittee, and he called the pared for opposing it his duty, and he still thought it a copy of a peition wa He did tk to object to tau - _y thought proper. On the 17th of Augiist the corporation met to consider whether , Ley would take the bill as it stood. They determine , ' tie the bill as it stood, and a meeting of the De - ' •;e was held on the same afternoon, to consider -could take the bill as it stood. Mr. Jeffery con, • - hig nart! to call a moot:- Committee in a position to enabh bill if that a great crime c day. Ile did no; think it a crime the opinion of the Dock Committee on the subj wards the compens ation, that the y were perfe.ctlyaret a d he.knew there were many members of thew mittee on that day (he was not called upon to mention names, but .men highly respectable, honourable men, the first merchants of the town), who thought th e d e t a il s o f th e meas ure were excessively objectionable. :Indeed, he was not quite sure.that they were not determined to oppose that bill, in consequence of these objectionable details. The Dock Committee met, and he made a short extract of the proceedings,,whicluwere as follows : At a special meeting of the Dock Committee, held the 17th day Pref,ent : Charles Turner, Esq., chairman; of August, tba, 'Prancii A: Clint, Thomas Robinson, Oliver 'Holden, Thomas Chilton, James Smith, ~ Thomas D. Anderson, Joseph Hubback, Thomas Bold, J. Palmer, Joseph Mondel, Hilton Halhead, J. K. Rounthwaite, and John Lockett. reported to this committee the present onservancy and Dock Bill, arising from mentary agent, nt-street, lbtlt August, 1857 this bill. is to be wit t called on us to-day to ask us to muse: the trustees' mid too' London, and very gladly received, and the petition was, consequently, not presented. He read the following docu ments, referring to this meeting : 25, Parliament- Dear Si of the Do, •eet, Westminster, kNCT, NO. 2. nivate bi NORTHERN DAILY TIMES. use of Comm, .nd the follow of the orders of the IL the passing of a secon with all possible despatch. We then infoimed him that we still wanted amendments made in the bill, to improvethe constitution of the new trust, &o. ; and' he, there upon, expressed a fear that it might cause the loss of the bill, but requested him to scud us the alterations, with which -- We told him that, after all that had passed; yo~ wish tube the cause of the rejection of the bill, but that yo content , not satisfied witllit as it now stood, especially as man tions were' rejected, at his instance, upon question so as to throw obstacles in the way of its passing • consequence of the multitude of the amcndmec rentured to I did ric cur altera ie Comnaiin in • We have, ise a certain amount of d ,nd have written to tell hil ments, the trustees - will i future rapid progress of the new he will make the enclosed ame, any impediment in the way of the, bill. You will observe that we have not tion of the assistant barrister or the quorum clauses, as .. was expedient not to endeavour to exact too much. We have no doubt that we shall be pressed on all sides to give up some, if not all, of our requirements, with the threat of withdrawing the bill unless we assent; and, however unwilling we may feel to trouble you or your chairman to come to town again, we do feel that it i s very necessary that some one, having authority to instruct us ho , to act in the matter, should be here, towhom we may doubt or difficulty. We bow altera e felt it to send you a draft petition, which, when sealed, should be sent to us on Monday; and if we could, by any means, receiv it before six o'clock on that day, we should be glad, as we she then be in a position, should circumstances require it, to hr lodged on that evening; and we trust that some gen tl eman with full authority, will be here, at the latest, on Tue,so ink. 'To what local member may we TPfer to suppor' Trustees' views, in case it should - 7 to oppor which the promOters may ma] Resoked—Thtit the.pr be opposed by this greed to by the prof be necessa in the 1-1( ed "MerAey Com 1. That the \voids "if they think flt" be restored to 51 and 52 elatises. 2. Clauses allowing "voting by proxy" to be s' 4, 5 'of sect. 18, and part 3 of sect. 22.) . . 6dditional 3.: River clause to be,struelc out to - rt 4 of sect. altetationS proposed by Mr. Ellicombe's letter of 15th August. 4: Elective and nominal members to be qualified by payment of rates, and residence within ten miles of Town-hall or two miles of port. Number of members to be 27, in lieu of 21. . • . 5.' Electors to be qualified by residence within ten miles of Town-hall and payment of £lO in rates.. 6. The word " charges " to be restored in sect. 50. He well recollected the part he took upon that occasion in the Dock Committee. As regards the first requirement, whether the words should' be inserted, " If we think fit," he was quite sure, if the committee insisted upon that requirement, it would be fatal to the bill. It was quite clear, if any'petition was insisted upon, it would be fatal to the bill. (Hear, hear.) The subject of Reu i dall's plans had been repeatedly discussed ; and to insist upon that, he thouzht would be also fatal to the bill. It was urop.il. he ottic nd, that the promoters of the bill would allow 1; .but so strong did he feel resolution of the nendall's plans, irried by ten to fiy( he had wish( )ill _thrown out, whetli have voted in favour of that resolution. (Hea would put it to any gentleman in all fairness'. otner - resolutions passeu on matters of less importance at that meeting,—the proxy clause and the nver'elause, considering, in all probability, these would be conceived lar. the pro thoteri' which he had N7oted for. The petition ha:d been previously sent to London ; but it was found necessary not to present it that evening, and it was .not presented. ft wn. kept back to the later. they were rejuested to do, by Mr. Dorrington, and they had some discussion, and Mr. G'_adstoue and Mr. Jeffery were there, as had been stated. But he would say again, if Mr. Gladstone or Mr. Jeffery thought that then' pi l eserice had the slightest weight or bearing upon their delibArntinn. with reference to the opposition, all that he could say was, that they were entirely mistaken. , . . Mr. GIADSTONI, : It was all bosh. Mr. TURNER : Well, " bosh." • Mr.-GLausTorzu : It is very worthy of you. Mr. SIIIEL rose to order, and said that gentlemen ought really to abstain from such remarks. Mr. TuRNm-_ said he would not again have, made use of the word had it not been repeated in his hearing in the cor ner. He was provoked to it. Ile believed it was the voice of Mr. Jeffery. Mr. JEFFERY : No, sir. ' Mr. TURNER : Well then, the word was repeated in the corner; and having been repeated, he repeated it, and he said it was because he was provoked to it. He said again, that if Mr. Jeffery or Mr. Gladstone supposed for a moment that their presence had the slightest bearing on their proceedings they were totally mistaken. Mr. Jeffery talking about ap pearing before the House of Lords. Mr. JtFFEILY.: The ilouse of Commons. TURNER' said it did not signify any appearance of Mr. Jeffery or anybody else before the bar of the House of Commons or the House of Lords upon a private bill, which he said was a matter contrary to parliamentary practice, and could not possibly be conceded-to. The effect of any petition of Mr. Jeffery or Mr. Gladstone for that purpose would have been-equally fatal to the bill as that of the Dock . Committee would have be e n, because it would have led to the bill lying referred to a committee to enquire into the allegations, and if it had gone into 'coirimittee it could not have passed that session. Mr. JEFFERY : That was the advice of the Town-clerk. Mr. TURNER would ask the Town-clerk if ho eves heard, in parliamentary practice, - of a petition being heard against a private bill by the House of Lords. They knew that petitions were sent against such bills, but the House did not undertake to sift the allegations 'contained in these petitions, to see what truth there was in them. Therefore, being advised that no one could be heard in this way, it was, in point of fact, an absurd proposition to make ; and, as he had said before, they were not in the slightest degree, influenced i n th e i r . negoc i a tion s by M r . Jeffery or Mr. Gladstone. To the Town-clerk, and other gentlemen connected w ith t h e promotion of that bill, it became perfectly obvious, also to the committee then in Landon, .that the expectations which had. been given to the board in Liverpool would not be fulfilled ; and, in point of fact, some gentlemen thought the bill should have been thrown out to get these amendments passed, for the effect of getting these amendments would have been to throw out the bill, as it then could not possibly have passed' that ses sion. He' had considerable discussion on this; and it was thought by some, that, after such lengthened negotiations, it was better to let the bill pass and have the matter settled, although there were matters iu the bill which the Dock Com mittee thought were bad, and would not be of much im portance to the corporation. Those gentlemen, the rate payers of the town, who had to look to the matter and see that they got a bill which, would i tork for the benefit of,the trade of the port, finding that the petiiion of the Dock Com mittee would be fatal to the bill, came to the determination of sending one of the holy (Mr. Smith) to Li endeavourto get the board not to present the petitie., Smith, trzordingly, came down to Liverpool, and there r , a meeting held on' the - 19th August; and, - a letter being read from the dock solicitor and the Town-clerk,,the sub ject was considered very fully, both with reference tealie faterest e . o f the dock estate and to the corporation, And- a - resolution was pass ed reseindin a former resolution, and resolving that the petition against the Mersey Dock Con - I cervancy Bill be no t presented, Iluitresolution WilB sent to verpoo. or the corporation should not again, Parliament on t ration in town who happened stied by the Dock s aOrainitti Yours very trt a , member Messrs. J. borringtan, At a meeting of the Dock Co] D. Anderson, Jo ITubback, Mita T. Littled lead: J. nted to the chairman, WILLIAI ad ability ieral count 'this was a plain and unvarnished facts as they stood ; and, having to part in this discussion ported the interests of , the he did think that he had some reason to complain .ot the great treachery of the memory both of Mr. Gladstone and of Mr. Jeffery; because he fearlessly appealed to every gentleman who knew anything of the 4- exception of the- two gentle/1W except in doing his duty, in 4- corporation throughout, he did not support the' bill to tt ransaction, (with the Apposed toll He Op - posed th muster, eivinm named) .whethc )ill until t sufficient, and he almost went beyond I of the dock estate, b lid not press to hay Being advised that it would damage their oppo• determined not to oppose. He hac amended sition in. the Lords, t se of Lord now told them what had passed and he would ask ao•ain, whether tl show that their a satisfactory compensation, to ed which would 'make the bill able to get these passed, it go their wishes in order to more workabk was determined to fo: ;mare the interests of tl what had been said; and he beliCived a great many people believed that, if it had not been for the interference of Mr. Gladstone, with reference to these bills, instead of getting £650,000, they would have gotten two millions. Hear, hear.) , There .was no doubt about it. . He stated acts, Mr. Gladstone being a member of the committee. Mr. GLADSTONE rose to a point of order, and said he had refrained from going into t-ese details Turner would be allowed to p.:o into then The MAYOR Mr. TURNEI £ allowed to He was called to order w on personalities, TURNEI But .he did not obey ti by saying that he would leave it to the council, the, mer chants, and the town generally, to say whether he had done his duty. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Tontil then rose to speak, when The Mkyou. said, he must - put it to the council whether this subject should be allowed to go on any further. Mr. Thrner's explanation was quite satisfactory to him, and he hoped it would be to, the town. (Hear, hear.) • The subject then dropped. The proaeedings,n resolutions, and reports of the Watch; Lighting, Fire Police, Fire Prevention, Gas Supply, and Hackney Carriage and Licensing Committees, comprising "Recommendation that two new bridewells be erected on suitable sites to be obtained for the purpose," • were read. Mr. ilurenmsoN said, in the absence of the chairman of the committee, he wished •to move the confirmation of the proceedings ' which were of a routine c h aracter, except the question of bridewells.. It was not a new ouestioo_ ever, as it had been under three or four years. He then notice of the council Jo: de reference to the report 1 tern totally link for the purpose tk intended for He was scary to say 1,i.... __ no attention had been paid to th, wnndford. TT t,irricalf erionl, 4c. +ho those reports. The bridewells were badly construett.... ill ventilated, and some alteration should be made, more especially on the bridewell in Vauxhall -road. The Watch Committee were anxious to. maintain the good opinion of 41.- observations of Colonel police fore the bridewell at t iV would be too convenient to Vau old oxe continued So soon as l it was t reet would be opened ; iall:road to have the sary to remov€ be done; but they could not get over the cells were under ground. The 1- d to remove the to have a new gaol built somewhere near bridewell He then moved the recommendation 250 per annum narket;,at a salary of manager of St. John's, To appoint M and all the other markets in the centre of the't6wn, at a lary of £220 per annum. To appoint a mana is in th southern - diiision of the town, at n sal £125 per annum To appoint a maim. is in the northern division Of the town, at a salary of £125 per annum. Recommendation to appoint Mr. John Bowes and kr Edward Smith collectors at St. John's.and the neighbonrin,[ t the salary LlOO r Tr. WOOD: airman, moved He said the ;he confirmation 'of the-first recommendation iarket Committee's proceedings had been so for the last font' months, that he did not fully discs It would b that the committer recommendation had not been iiik it necessary to make many of commended the over all the other adopted. Circumstf mitiee . had thOught it well to appoint a head superintendent, and hence the present recommendation. The committee thOught they could not do better than appoint , Mr. Isaac Hutchinson, as he had been a very faithful servant fOr a period of nearly twenty years, having great experience and a good 'character. The committee had a very high' opinion of him, and they reconimended that he be prothoted to . that office at a salary of £250 per annuu would be as well to appoint - nager of - ht that it John's Market, and -to appoint two new ma nagers for the markets in the southern and noirthern divi sions of the town, at such sa l ar i es as t o ma ke - the whole C7o'o, which was -precis system, bu Mr. Aid, ly what was t with one cifficer more. raid under the old , rman COOPER recommended the adoption of the isoginnaendAtion It. GIADSTONE said the council would understand that the great object which those gentlemen had in view' Who form&l the committee, when the matter was first taken up J. J. by education and other qualifications, was well fitted for head sufierintendent of the markets. He believed, as had been said of Mr. Hutchinsonand he believed he had no right to speak on the subject as regarded him—he was a respectable man, and was anxious to do his duty, and he had . no doubt that he would do all that was f expected of him ; but he might say that the object they had in view was, that they should have a person of superior education and fitness, superior to Mr. Hutchinson, and, therefore, .it was not right to adopt the recommendation without first consulting the public good. He presumed if Mr. Hutchinson would be unfit for the discharge of his duty, he would not have been brought before them. He would, however, prefer an entire stranger, because there were cert-'- and __ant influences and fears that were dan g erous to the corporation. He, for one, s o f ar as h e had the power, would keep his eyes open in these matters, but he would rather get - a superior man to Mr. Hutchinson, and they would get plenty of them. He did not wish, however, to offer any opposition to his appointment, and therefore made no motion. Mr. WOODRUFF moved the confirmation of the next two .c,...4iiiuutiations, winch were auopLed. llc thou pronepiled to .move the last recommendation, with reference to the appointment of the collectors. Mr. BOWRING said he could not agree to that, as he con sidered it would be a dowinight temntatinn a vs, wri, yak. 11 LULL at such a salary. The MAYOR said that question had been discussed before, Mr. BOWRING said those men were appointed to collect money. over whom no man could have any control what ever ; and he had no more to say, if he would not be Mr. WOODRUFF - then read a letter from M r . Elli s , who offered to lease the, tolls . of the markets. H e sa id he was not aware that it would be legal to do anything of the kind; but if not, he would beg leave to move the canfirmation of the general proceedings. _ _ The To - six-el:Elm - stated that the council could not delegate, by lease, those powers that were given to them by act of parliament. Mr. GLA.DSTONE said it was evident that Mr. Ellis had made the proposition because he knew he could make some thing out of the matter. lie would repeat wkat hp had said on a former occasion, that if the markets were pr o p er ly managpd, they would be found to be susceptible of an • immense increase 1 The proceedings were then confirmed TUCATION COMMITTEE The pr9ceeclings of the Education Committee were read Mrivialnr, a a acuuutwuulltiLloll LIM, on ana aver the August next. the weekly fee charged for each child attend ing at the south school be increased from three halfpence to twopence. Mr. STEAINS in moving the confirmation, said, as children at all the schools in the town were now paying twopence per week, he would move that that amount be paid. The amount received for the past year was £304 Os. lid. at thA south schools. There was a halfpenny per week given .to each child for the clOthino• fund, so that virtually they would only be paying three halfpence per week. , , Mr. SHILL said he rnct, cr,44-1, • ut,tention to what must be the inevitable consequence such a proceeding, and that would be the exclusion of many children from the benefits of the schools. A poor man, with two or three children, for wh - om he had to pay twopence a week each, it became a serious consideration with him, and such an increased charge would, to some extent, exclude those children. Education was desirable to ' all ; but to whose benefit was the public money to be applied but to those who could not obtain that which was necessary for themselves ? He hoped the corporation would not, without very serious consideration, do that which would have the effect of doing what he had stated. If he went the full length of the views he formerly held, he would say that they should attend there without any payment whatever, except sa much as would induce the recipients to place the greater value on that which they received. He hoped that recommendation would not be confirmed, as he considered that it would have a' very injurious effect on the schools. The schools were, in his o p inion , ver y exc lusive. The rules .excluded all his co-religionists; because these rules were such, that conscientious Roman Catholics could not send their children to them. The Roman Catholics constituted a very large proportion of the population, and they were of the very poorest class of society; but though they were excluded, the council should not extend that rule to the remaining portion of the poorer classes of the com munity. He would move that the proceeding's be confirmed, except the recommendation. Mr. VERNON said he would oppose the recommendation, as he thought it was wrong to advance the • price of educa tion. If they were to make any advance in social improve ment, they s h ou ld b egin with the children. It was all nonsense to attempt to make social improvement among adults, while the children were neglected. Mr. RYLEY said he would second the motion of Mr. Shiel. He would not say for one moment that the education at the schools was not worth twopence a' week, but he hoped makingit w aswuosrethomf o o r t e h t e h r an pe t o h p a l t e,s that. mHoentehi they should apply it thought when they were Toped to see—without where it wa s most wanted. H e making use of the t erm o ff ens i ve ly—those schools b ecome ragged-schools. H e th oug ht there was nothing that would hem it misery , more than by edu cating t t o ith r n a e i n s di e o. the poor p ei n o o wq r ou p tai eolltiitpysla,eybfrufootmr give not able to pay for it. Mt. STrimics said he was sure he spoke the minds of the committee when he said he would withdraw the recommen datioa, Mr. SHAND said what .was wanted in the schools was more accommodation. Mr. STEAINS believed that one reason of the recommen dation was the enormous increase of applications. Mr. GLADSTONE said he wished the question to be fairly investigated, as he believed the object of the corporation was to supply instruction for the very poorest classes of society. It would seem that the enrneratinn sehnela had now assumed there was no question that a man should deal mon tenderly with than that where education was to prOvided for those who were not able to provid( for themselves. Now the great object of these schoals, as he had stated, was to provide for the poor, and these formed one-third or one-fourth part of 'the population. A gentleman had told Mr.• DoVer that the girls attending thes( schools carry parasols over their- heads. Far be it from him " • )t the indi to say anything a ; but those wer riduals whom the Corporation intended the schools for. It wa 'or those who had no shoes or stockings, and who had t, walk barefooted, who had nothing but drunken parents. I vas for their good that the corporation intended the schools Now, he did lament that .those schools should have bees given to the benefit of others--not that he would withholi from his fellow what he would desire for himself. But the: were for the poor classes Of Soeiety:—for those who had a friends in the world, and could not befriend themselves — when the corporation stepped forward and appointed thos schools Mr. .e netted when subjects were brougt before them that other questions were introduced by a sick wind, which he would be prepared _to speak on when prc perly brought before them ; but he objected to incidents attacks being made to the system of education in the school He believed that it was a mistake in the corporation ow establishing these schools, as it was only necessary that the should carry out Municipal requirements. The schools wen established according =to the doctrines of the Church a En6iand, • , which still said he r n of this county continued to be the este If they had a couscienV ctioli to the system which Mr:Shia ject, and becatthe persOns objected to it the scriptures, that question was - to be introd were such a course taken, the result would b ;tants itneuediately rising up 1 their children - to any s whOre the `'Ford of God v excluded be proud to argue • t would put a motion on the book to that effect. They migh have in these schools the children of journeymen printers of e_Fpentei% s and of shipwrights, who themselves migh g respectable positions they Iv but,for eternity Arouhl suit them not on The proceedings we mendation, which was withdraWn The proceedings of the < Gaol Com m itt ee were rea d, an d on the motion of - Mr. Sainuel Holme, were confirmed. . The proceedings of the T own -h a ll- E s t a bli s h me nt' Corn mittee were also read and 'confirmed without comment. )EN, LI RY, AND NIIJSEU3I CO3I3IITTEI The proceedings of this committee contained a recom mendatiou to authorise the Mayor to acknowledge, in sui able terms, on behalf of the corporation, the to Chisenhal 'Mr. GLADSTONE said he presumed these new bridewells were part of those recommended when Mr. Tobin was the chairman of the Watch Committee. He wished to know how many were required The TOwx,eLExic Mr. TOBIN' remarked that the recommendation' was not for two additional, but in consequence of the removal to Dale-street. by which the one in VA I• 1_ rendered unnecessary. Vauxhall-road bridewell hid always . been considered a very improper one for the purpose ; b u t 3 Om - mend Die to remove it lion was then confirmed 'Mr. HUTCHINSON, in moving the confirmation of the zeneral proceediag,s, said there was one matter which he :vishedlo . call attention to, and that vas, the question of 'the transfer of the ,inspection of common lodgii the Health Committee's officers to the ferred to a committee, who had it'urider cousid had been informed since he had come into thtr ' oomtl; the committee would be prepared to make a report to a st ceeding council; and he would not say anythin mutter till' that_ report was brought in. • But he t in the ;Lt in a report on thei the inspector of bridewells brot., he thought it was;a broad hint to the council to take co; zance of the state of common lodging-houses. Mr. DOVER said it was quite irregular . The Health Committee had asked Mr. Rathbone to be present at a meetin,„o.-but he had refused to attend. The MAYOR said Mr. Aolme was quite regular. gr. HontE said he would defer further remarks till the report would be presented to the council. Mr. WOODRUFF said there was a committee sitting for the purpose of considering the question. - Mr. HUTCHINSON remarked that the committee were 'to produce a report on some future day. . . The proceedings were then confirmed. HEALTH COMMITTEE . The proceedings, resolutions, and reports of the Health Committee were read,' comprising recommendation to adopt certain parts of the Local Government' Act; 1858, comprised in sections 32 and 34 thereof ; recommendation to appoint four permanent clerks in the . Treasurer's department, at £76 per annum each, in lieu of four extra clerks, receiving' £54 12s. per annum each ; recommendation to alter the terms on which the London and North-Western Railway Company are allowed to use their tramway across Waterloo road oA sufferance during the pleasure of the council. Mr. Alderman Dovr,ii. moved the adoption of the second and third recommendations, which was agreed to. He then moved the first recommendation, and 'explained that the object the committee had in view was to enable the council to look to matters such as that brought before th em by M r. - Gladstone, such a s the heavy weight that is allowed to be placed on i-on pillars, and to make better ventilatio n i n buildings, a n d t o lay down rules for sanitary arrangements. The TOWN -CLERK then read the sections of the act. Mr. GLADSTONII said it was due to Mr. McGowan to say that ho pointed out to the Health Comthittee that the act contained powers such as were'required. • Mr. Dovim, in moving the confirmation 'of the general proceedings, :said he wished to observe, in regard to the lodging-houses of Liverpool, though.he'did not wish to pre judge the 'decision of the.- committee, but he believed. the report would prove that the Health Committee had done their duty. Moreover, he would say Mr. Rathbone's views could not be carried out, unless the legislature should choose _to. give :the 'Health,' Com m itt ee further powers.' - If the Health Committee ivere.to go into lodging-houses owned by the poorer classes, why not go into the houses of the upper 'classes ge would say that, for Ids own part, ho would take his seat at the committee with a mind free from preju dice. (Mar, hear.) The proceedings were then confirmed._ _ _ Mr. 4 8 I IE L said Mr. Rathbone seemed to think that the Uealth Committee _had all the power necessary to deal with people who took in lodgers without a license; but the only power that they had was to take the offending parties before the magistrate, Some magistrates took a very lenient view took o regi3teret Mr. GLA.DST. woidd be ca . from the II were the A.VISON and it bec i with ind more profitable for vithout a license or tc occasionally brought up ma -license, they came under the Watch Co- no, power, for when a light fin was done. Fall COmmittc served that it would appear that they as with ies best qualified to carry out the =del.. said there was a difficulty in the wording of ,vn the e the led; took their room from fig "I to have the act of puha- .e whol :abject would re confirm the Courts of Law and St. George's were read and confirmed on the motion - of The proceedings of th s' Committee were read, Lions, postponed at the last monthly council To appoint Mr. 'lsaac Hu :nsOn as inspector of all the gift of 31 Florence Nightingale's maimscript.papers on, the of Hospitals," which were read at the second annual mei intr of the National Association for the Promotion , of Socia Science ; also, proposed regulatiom for the management of tia Parks and Botanic Garricns: and a rocnnonond.tini, *ha+ . pavilion should be erected in Wavertree Park, at a cosi exceeding £l5O. recommendation,_ drew attention,. to the great numi stated that sineA visited the Way xee Part band was introduced - into the park other bands had corn and played gratuitously ; but a gr' inconvenic for the want of a - suitable plattbrm on which stand and arrange their . instruments and .I nmande4, by the case, that_ some such p'rovision I A inconventwi ley col It 1, Flew. 11.1. UCeli mau.e oy tee surveyor for a pavilion, Whic was not to exceed £l5O, and he hoped the council woul confirm the recommendation. . The motion was seconded by Mr.-Ryley, and carried, anc the general proceedings were then confirmed. The proceedings of this committee contained a resolution agreeing to supply the fountains within the dock yard! with water gratuitously.. The chairman, Mr. Hodson, after moving the confirmation of the proceedings, expressed hi; aissent irom the resolution referrer account of the cost, as that was oxly a matte. a „u, a year, but as to the principle, Whether the committ obtained this water at a very great cost, should sul extraneous body like the Dock Board with watt tuitouslv. to, not Mr. ItyrEy moved that the resolution be rescinded, At this juncture of the proocodings, the MAyo'r was obliged to preside at a meeting of the At_ T.raph Company at two, o'clock, and some one, therefore, Mr. Alderman J. A. Turner lantie Tel lave to take his place was called to the ch2ir. Mr. CRELLIN seconded the motion of Mr. Ryley. Mr. FARNWORTH and Mr.. S. IloLmr.. opposed the motion. During Mr. llolme's . 'remarks, he was interrupted several times 'Mt Mr_ linnir with whrs A expec tter from Mr. Hol Beckwith Mr. BECKWITH (Laughter.) Mr. HoLin contended that. these fountains were for the benefit of the public at large, and not for the benefit of the men in the employ of the Dock Board. We are equally well-bred, I think After some further discussion, V vµ Mr. CHARLES TURNER said, the docks were to all intents and purposes public, and it was for the •use of the public alone that'the Dock Trust erected these fountains. Mr. GLADSTONE said there was a marked distinction oetween that corporation and the Dock Board. The cOr paration represented the masses of , society. He contended. they should be just before they were generous. The Water ~ , A..unt.ce were largely in debt, and this year th e y wou ld be something like £1.5,000 short. It appeared to him monstrous for the Dock Board to call upon the Water Committee to supply this Water gratuitously. There was another and more cogent reason still. He had been told that very day that practically the Dock Board stood indebted, to the corporation £500,000 ; and was the Dock Board to come there in forma pauperis, and beg a supply of water ? If this statement were correct, they should not entertain this project for a moment, and the Dock Board were most inconsistent in 'coming:there to beg for a supply of water 'to the extent of £42 a-year. Mr. SHAND said. the remarks a Mr. Gladstone were quite inapFropriate, as he, was quite sure there was no money due by the Dock Board to the corporation. Mr. JEFFERY spoke at some. length against granting the supply of water gratuitously. Mr. PICTON said the water- for Melly's fountains was paid for out of the 2d. rate, and the water supplied to the fountains in the out-townships was paid to those out-town ships. Such being the fact, he asked the Town-clerk whether, in their insolvent condition, they had a right to give water gratuitously. The TOWN-CLERK said, without reference to the insol vency at all, they had no right to give away water. He had no right to interfere in the debates of that council, of course, but he considered the gentlemen were making a mis take . as to these fountains being open to the public. The Dock Board had the power at any time to close the gates of the estate. Mr. TURNER asked whether the Water Committee had not a right to supply water to these fountains to the same extent as Melly's fountains. Not unless th 4 are open, to the The TOWN-CLERK public. Mr. TURNER : Practically . they are open to . the public. He asked the Town-clerk how it was that the corporation supplied the water-troughs to animals. The TOWN -CLERK s9id there was a special clause in the act of Parliament beanng on these. Mr. TURNER: We don't pay:for it. The Towx-CLERK: Nor do the Dock Board use it. (Laughter.) The Town-clerk explained that, as it might appear inconsistent in him giving ,such an opinion there, he would state that he was not present at the Water Commit tee when the resolution was passed, or he would have ad vised that they cannot legally pass such a resolution. He might say, as to the Mersey ' Board erecting these foun tains, if they were not for the benefit of their estate, what business had they in erecting them—(hear, hear)—and if they were for the benefit of the public, why not pay for the water. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) Mr. TU RNER asked the Town-clerk if the warehouses were not rated. The TOWN-CLERK : Yes. Mr. Tintit. - 7 - Then could they not erect fountains on the road to them ? The TowN-CLERK : That did not follow. Mr. TURNER : They being rated? The TOW ,N-CLERK : Not the road to them, - Mr. TURNER was proceeding to put some more questioni; when the council became clamorous in calling Mr. Turner to order. SILEII, : - Great men will ruu out of order, THE RI AUGUST 11, 1859. ntly ad and. had her th he heard someone rd lion -eon th, lice, gave evickne( Several otlic aich-11E ition they had: to the amount o on which w ~ and if not, p to t &ad. if they consideied tl on the river, And co- for them to d BURG *en in a V. JON f the wr The A Q . C., at ,I;nothet time }VANS V. Su 71ppy of Ins )our dote, in houSe in Cocksnur-sire titherton ntiff, and A bly revi my nee the def hat co: me, wh ury returned a Ye TO this the defenda obtained him a purchaser, Mr. . ase, which was n paid was £1,200, and; u. dant had neglected to -fulfil 'SHAW, //QS JACK Mr. Littler app for the defendant. T s for it N FOT4 'er, thinki Mr. TURNER : Mr. Alderman TURNER call( Sheil is very impertinent. upon Mr. Charles Turner Mr. TURNER said he would retract; hat he weilld 351 ‘ was Mr. Sheil to be allowed to go on in this manner ? r The TOWN-CLER K called upon Mr. Ityley t o say whet'l,eit Mr. RYI fr. Woc ToWN-CLI views before the co The CIIAIR!CkN ruled tha ving'decided that the reso Mr: RENNTETT said water out of his owl . '" n( neral pra fne - procaedi The coroner A letter w the borough of Liverpool at the same time property. It was referred to the Health ( A letter was read from Mr. Richard Lum Tithebarn-streat, reou3stintz permissi 'en.lamn,s in front,of The follow had been given (II council) lc.. of ceAairi holt pon St. Jarnts' 'lance committe the 27th of May, COURT OF PASSAGI YESTERD. n William A FLEMI &LSE IMPI T, and Arr. Bret )NMENT vice of the defendant for some time, but he 15th of MarOh 1 wearing appar( of which was, that the plaintiff was riven in brought before the county m lie defendant's) pro having left the was not charged with the fi The action wa until th was,. that the has not proved I that the defendant denied - ever having custody,. and also that the policeman toi his awn responsibility. The jury, howev 'wise; gave a verdict of £5 for the nlaintif ACTION FOR ASSAULT AND OUTRAGE.- The plaintiff was a publican, and cai Lawrence-street ; the defendant was a car - , pensation for an outrageous ass E June last. Mr. Brett appeared Aspinall , for the defendant. daughter, having gone oa a as bro of M rh o plaintit (die umenuant's car ; ana -he (the.defendant) came into plaintiff's house, a to' abuse the plaintiff's daughter, and only timely interference of her father, he might ha mitted a serious injury upon her, as he lifted a glas counter and threatened to hit her with it. The having been instritettietby - his daughter of what wi; on in the shop, ran outside from An inner room, an pled with the defendant. He succeeded in getting tl from him, (the defend an t,) a ft er w hi c h th ey wrest l e ther, and the result was that the defendant thrott plaintiff by his neckerchief until he was in a verrpre position. Mr. Aspinall urged, on behalf of the def that sinco the transaction referred to plaintiff and.dei had repeatedly been in company and drank together. facts not having been denied by. the plaintiff, the acti they withdraw n. WHITELEY V. GRIFFITHS.--ThiS was a claim fort, bought and supplied by the plaintiff to the del which amounted to ao 18s. 9d. Mr. Asninall ar , the plaintiff, and Mr. Littler for the plaintiff was a Joiner, builder, and cabin on business in Lord Nelson-street. The a joiner and builder. In March, 18, herself Mrs. Davis, called at the pla ordered. a quantity of furniture, which amounted sum specified. The evidence having been gone int was not very creditable to either partio" - assessor said : Gentlemen; if you believe t„ the plaintiff, you will find for the plaintiff., believe the evidence for the defendant, you will ti defendant. The jury found for the plaintiff—X4o Some I 0 U cases having been-heard and disposed learned assessor said that he should finish thi3 bus the court after the assizes, part of which was rather ant and weighty. The court shortly after rose. • NEW MODEL FOR LARGE GUNS.—We have bee . a model of a gun and carriage on greatly improves' pies, by the inventor and maker, - Mr. J. Morgan, stoned officer coast-gu ar d a t St. Andrews. The eon is breech -loading, which can be, taken out, loaded, in again, ready for firing, in a few seconds, and cai with either cap, tube, or match. The gun can be by means of a lever and side tangent. Four inv the duty required; it can be used on board or in one of the ship's boats ; reqw;- charge of powder a b ou t one-sixth of the t 1 and one great advantage is, that, in t overpowered by the enemy, the br taken away, and leave the useless pig in the field. The model is excellently fitted on a the combined weight of which is 51b. loz., thr it is 11 inches, and the weight of ball thr"- ounce. She has been repeatedly trie - yards, point blank. Upon the whole, we well worthy the consideration and inspection engineers or other professional parties competent to of its merits ; for our own part we will say that, indep , dent altogether. of its evident improvement and superiority/ in a practical point of view, great credit is' due to Air Morgan for th e i nven ti on and construction of such an 1,11, ~ gem f or , ons model of artillery, with the exception of th e casting and b or i ng , it has been all fitted up with his o va t halal —Dundee People's Journal. defend ,-maker le evidE res no ST can be ins in 1 nri