The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1846-01-20 00:00:00

Jan. 20, 1846 ..,—.,_—.---- Mantes. TO HATTERS. WANTED, a PERSON whil can REALLY and assist in the: B eer - Business of a Retail Shop Apply at BIC KERTON SATCHELVS, 48, Lord-street. —..._ shape, CLERK WANTED. ANTED, a YOUNG MAN, acquainted with ferencesior 800 characterre- Address R.S., Box K 27, Postoffice. TO STOCK AND SHAREBROKERS. A GENTLEMAN accustomed to the routine of a Sharebroker's Office, and havin a good connection, is des irous o f meet i ng with EMPLOY Tin the capacity of '" O K - KEEPER, or CORRE ING CLERK, or to take the GENERAL MANAG T of the Office. APPIy to A. 8., Box , Postoffice, Liverpool. ~.._ WANTED, in a Private Family, residing at Ken , siniton and attending . St. Jude's Church, a YOUNG L A"Y as NUR:SERY GOVERNESS, besides the general charge Of Four Children, (the oldest seven years.) She would only be fPlaired to ground them in the co - branches of Educa ; and good health, amiabi ' , and willingness to oblige, Would be the main qualifi • ns. Reference to a Clergyman Of the Established C would be preferred. Salary, .e2O a -Year. by letter; to A. J., Postoffice Bo: , No. 54, Liverpool WANTED, an active SINGLE MAN, from 20 to 30 years of age, to attend to a G DEN and make him 'self lise i fur n the House. A g aracter required, and no one A nee d apply who has n upied a similar situation. ,_ Pply at No. 1, Priory-road, St. George's-hill, Everton, be- Lore 10 or after 4 o'clock. ---___ N OTTINGHAM. EREWASH VALLEY, AMBER TGATE, AND MANCHESTER RAILWAY. HE Directors, in conjunction with those of the other two Companies with which the above Company has !ipalgamated, have determined to CALL immediately for the laditional 5 per Cent. required to be pai _by_the Standing urders of the House of Lords. S HAREHOLDERS in this Co y, therefore, are requested ilpay to one of the unde oned Bankers, on or fore the Instant, ss. u every Share held by them ;and they 1111 receive an acknow edgment, headed in the following man ner,l'j viz., " Ambergate, Nottiegham and Boston, and Eastern Junction Railway Company." , The Directors also beg to inform the Shareholders, that un less the above Call be paid within the time prescribed, they Le:serve to themselves the power, expressly granted to them by ~.`u e. Parliamentary Deeds, of declanng the Shares and the De t Paid thereon to be forfeited, and of re-allotting the same. • By order, 6 th January, 1846 JNO. GOUGH, Secretary li!essrs. Samuel Smith and BA C I C . ; KERS. Nottingham. essrs. Arkwright Wirksworth. ,t`lessrs. Smith, Payne, and Smith London. Iviessrs. Samuel Smith and Co Derby. Messrs. Jones Loyd and Co. Manchester. Messrs. J. and J. C. Wright and Co Nottingham.. 4ressrs. Kewney and King Grantham, Lincolnshire ~e r rs• Hardy, Walkington, & Hardy Grantham, Lincolnshire Messrs. Garfit, Claypons, and Co Boston. Henry & Thomas Gee & Co Boston. Messrs. Moore and Robinson Nottingham. . .2!ssrs. Barnett Hoare, and Co London. Ales . , . r , Messrs: Glyn, Halifax, and Co. ' Lombard-street,London M"ue t eL iverpool and Manchester Dis- rict Bank - ______l23 e sS • Beckett and Co. } Manchester .. Leeds. N OTTINGHAM, VALE OF BELVOIR, AND TGRANTHAM RAILWAY COMPANY. RE Directors, in conjunction with those of the other two Companies with which the above Company has Patriated, have determined to CALL immediately for the o.itional 5 perouse Cent. Lords. required to be paid by the Standing toOrders of the Hof "AREHOLDERS in this Company are, therefore, requested 19 ,t ay to one of the undermentioned . . • ~ on or before the instant, ss. upon every S. • eld by them ; !ind they ter . , receive an acknowledgme , leaded in the following man .lll v . l z, " C ote,Amber -• mgham and Boston, and Eastern ipPaction Railway • y." le Directors also 'eg to inform the Shareholders, that un the above Call be paid within the time prescribed, they t i le eLve to themselves the power, expressty granted to them by tt!lentary Deeds, Of declaring the shares and the De- By order 6 th January, 1846, JNO. GOUGH, Secretary Me ss rs• Samuel Smith anndAcoNKERS Nottingham. A T , ‘ !!rs. Arkwright Wirksworth. ke clrs. smith, Payne, and Smith London. Messrs; r Samuel Smith and Co Derby. Jones Loyd and C& Manchester. Messrs. J. and J. C. Wright and Co Nottingham. Messrs. Kewney and King Grantham, Lincolnshire Hardy, Walkington, & Hardy Grantham, Lincolnshire Messrs, Garfit, Claypons, and Co Boston. 24 Henry & Thomas Gee &Co Boston. Mrs. Moore and Robinson Nottino•ham essrs_re-- .. ' • rioare, anu uo Lonaon. I s 7is 8 . Glyn, Halifax, and Co. Lombard-street , London -.!e.Liverpool and Manchester Dis- Manchester. Mes srs • Bank 4lessrs. Beckett and Co.. Leeds. NOTTINGHAM AND BOSTON RAILWAY Lou with those of the 1 in 88, 2024 yards, COMPANY TTiE Directors, in conjunct _ Other 1-.. ,,, r•-- P with which the above Company has Orders at 5 per use Cent. Lords required to be paid by the Standing of the Ho of . toHAREHOLin this Company Bare, thaefore, requested pay to one of t the undermentioned erc on or before the :In instant, LI ss. upon every Sh eld by them ; and they Will receive an acknowledginen ded in -the follo w i ng man ner nc, viz. Railwa Ambergate Com , Not • ham and Boston, and Eastern Inti ." The y rectors also beg to inform the Shareholders = that un less th? above Call be paid within the time prescribed, they !'eserve to themselves the power, expressly granted to them by the P arliamentary Deed, of declaring the Shares and the De- Posit paid thereon to be forfeited, and of re-allotting the same. By order, • JNO. GOUGH, Secretary 6th January, 1846, Messrs_ Cam A ---- s -. ...el Smith and Co N o tti ng h am . lessr. Arkwright Wirksworth. Messrs. Smith, Payne, and Smith London. A,Jessrs. Samuel Smith and Co Derby. 5 !curs. Jones Loyd and Co. Manchester. Messrs.;;tes J. and J. C. Wright and Co Nottingham. A t s. Kewney and King ntham, Messrsessr. Hardy, Walkington, & Hardy.Gra Grantham, Lincolnshire. Aies. Garfit, Clans and Co Boston. i l n ns sil h i ir r e e : ... gars. Henry & Thomas Gee & Co Boston. Nottingham. !essrs. Moore and Robinson 14essrs. Barnett Hoare, and Co London. Lombard-street,London 'Th e :7 : k Glyn, dalifax, and Co. . - "" d verPool and Manchester Dm- 1 - ~.trict 13ank •51essrs Beckett and Co. -....._ Manchester AMB ER GATE. NOTTINGHAM AND BOSTON, NAND EASTERN JUNCTION RAILWAY. O TICE.—The SCRIP must b resented at the led4 e nlz of payment to the Ba4e order that the acknow- Ily order, JOHN GOUGH, Secretary AM BER GATE, NOTTINGHAM AND BOSTON, j t ,A.,,ND EASTERN JUNCTION RAILWAY. rt' COMMITTEE OF MANAGEMENT, with falsecondescending to notice any of the anonymous . and. vereaternents which have from time to time appeared in se §hanplie public prints, have the satisfaction to assure the nav e `b °Klers that the Plans, Sections, and Lftols of Reference the most minutely examined by the Enrrineer. and that that eve.7 n ole aieYoUndiOb i e '''''' ely Prepar . ed, and cie . 4 l ne.asure has been adopte ch the Committee feel cfp orderg_vvill insure the of the Bill through Standing rder of the Board, JOHN GOUGH, Secretary. • Aro,. ham,""iggth January, 1846, BOSTON, NEWARK. AND SHEFFIELD TI RAILWAY. IL COMMITTEE of DIRECTION be g to inform the p t he S HAREHOLDERS that the requisite DEPOSITS with tne I,lle Me DIU "te Standing of the NOTICE The vo Orders of Parlian taitted t ie and importance of State n ? the Committee beg tl t able t n e Pt, from an examinati oe.. Judze hnvo S SERVED, in compliance with nent. the Line being universally ad ) submit the following Tabular )n of whiclkthe Public will be ar “un , jar toe r.ngi coMparison witte the other ate the same District. fi e L ine from B oston to Shef eld, throng% Sleaford, Ne - ark, and Mansfield, b A oston, Newark, a Shef V is tanc field Ranwa. ;.• • H eavies 411nnell Th. scheme intended to accommo- i effy opposing Lines, omit Newark Distance Heaviest Gradient . 1 in 120 1024 yards amine from Grantham to n, by the B ld ost ßciilteay, on N and Sheffie H i e Stan ee 31 - .1' a ll , 7l es! Gradient. nelling ..1 in, 84 9450 yards . i2 l s iynarTs. By opposing Line The Line from Nottingham to .uostop, by the Boston, New (irk, and Sheffield Railway, Lind for 14i miles over the Vidland Counties, Notting and Lincoln Line, which h l 4 now constructed, is o ............ sTenns miles. Gr:adient in 165. Distance Heaviest gradient Tunnelling 2l a miles 1320 yards, By opposing Lines Heaviest Gradient tb 4° Y , an examination of the preceding, it will be seen that Ife Line of the Boston,Newark, and Sheffield Railway, as a o uln ' u nicati9 b w Boston and Sheffield, while it connects ha: l t °4 and I . n eaf e o t rd ee , w n ith Newark, which the others . do not, 8 500 he advantages over its opponents of Ili miles in distance, Of 1 L ar Lia in tunnelling, and. of a gradient of 1 in 120, instead o n T,, 0-1 , thus effecting an enormous saving in capital. D r " , _i tvv o other routes compared above, the advantages to th a i` o 7l 9 and tunnelling greatlypreponderate Railway; same side, accorciiLne Bost", Newark, and Sheffield and these gre at V Io a principle lately most prominently announced by the aths-ay authority,—that the best Railway is not always -‘-'olesate for its ~. sh or test, but that which works best,"—much more than Besides,Bosto greater length of about three miles. .there are 14 miles of the route from Nottingham . to re ad r !, via the Boston, Newark, and Sheffield Railway, al- in the course of construction by the Midlands Company, ael itTrolaadthonat RaitwaY b a y the necessary for the opposing line to k en g h B ston with very heavy gradi , i m n order Zir e ,Z e , 3 i Miles in their distance, as compared with t e a , A ' o ' 4 , and She, Line. it e4'..,.10re minute statement of the comparative engineering (l e l l7l B °f these lines, which is now preparing, will, it is conu e _ tile Lainticipated, set at rest all doubts as to the superiority t achein'4", Newark, Sheffield Railway over its . rivai tro e s , and establish parliamentary claims o_neearne:anrclo,.n 4ertible bass. Its JOHN DENNISTON, S "4:,,..2Llfteid. i Wt. January, 1846. MILI for theTIA - ___ _ _____ _ _ PanTEcTIoN Soci ETY.—A Society under this title the inilftl'irP9se of providin g substitutes for those ballot t ed us. Dice s at P_ l , is about to be started under very favourable re m conline all ; Hotel, Hanover-street. We should . be r i ,, , 1u . to join, as a small contribution from each mem o y 1 ;!: give the means of providing substitutes for those wh principles awn. It will be conducted on the most equitable terestand the whole amount of surplus funds with the in accumulated will be annually divided. eontrarts. LIVERPOOL DOCKS. LANDING STAGE. TO BOILER MAKERS, IRON BOAT BUILDERS, &c. THE COMMITTEE of the LIVERPOOL DOCKS do HEREBY GIVE NOTICE to such persons in the above lines as may wish to CONTRACT for making a number of PONTOONS or IRON BOATS, for the support of the LAND ING STAGE now in course of construction, to be moored off George's Pier, Liverpool, that the PLAN d SPECIFICA TIONS of the work, together with al tusite information and conditions connected therewith ybe seen at the Dock-office, Revenue Buildings, Live , on and after the 22d instant, until the sth of February inclusive. For general information it may be stated, that the Contract will comprise the making of about 300 Tons of the best kind of Boat or Boiler Work, in the simplest form, and in easily ma nageable weights. By order, DANIEL Dock-office, Liverpool, Tan. 6th, 1846 MASON, Secretary LIVERPOOL NORTH BATTERY TO CONTRACTORS, MASONS, 6-c. THE COMMITTEE of the LIVERPOOL DOCKS are desirous of receiving TENDERS for the ERECTION of a portion of the RIVER WALL at the northern extremity of the Dock Estate, of about 360 feet in length b feet in height, to be mainly faced with Granite Ash , ogether with other Work, on which a Gun Battery i ' nded to be constructed. The' Plans and SpecificaSionignY be seen at the Office of the Dock Surveyor, on the south side of Coburg Dock, from the 14th instant to the th of February next. The Tenders must be sealed, addressed to "The Chairman of the Sub-committee of Dock Works," and be left at the Office of the SECRETARY, Dock-office, Liverpool, not later than FRIDAY, the 6th of February next. - , By order, DANIEL MASON, Secretary Dock-o Ace, Liverpool, 12th January, 1846. LIVERPOOL DOCKS. LOANS OF MONEY. THE COMMITTEE of the LIVERPOOL DOCKS DO HEREBY GIVE NOTICE, that they are willing to receive LOANS of MONEY, on the security of the Bonds of the Trustees of the Liverpool Docks, at the r of FOUR POUNDS PER CENTUM per annum interes r periods of either Five or Seven Years. All letters to be addresse o GEORGE WITHERS, Esq., Trea surer of the Liverpool s, Dock-office, Liverpool. By order, DANIEL MASON, Secretary. Dock-office, Liverpool, 20th November, 1845. DOCK EXTENSION-MEETING OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. A special meeting of the Council was held in the Town-hall yesterday, " to take into consideration and de termine upon the proceedings, resolutions, and direc tions of the Dock Committee, of the 13th instant, an the following subjects, viz. : —l.—A plan of proposed dock improvements at Wapping, with reports and estimates thereon: 2.—A plan for better accommodation on the land or site of Nova Scotia for coasting vessels, and for the carrying trade in connection with a proposed rail way depot there. 3.—Purchase of such land on the east side of the new dock in course of construction on the land or site of the late Harrington Estate as may be required for widening the east quay of that dock. The plans had for some days been lying in the Council Room, and on this occasion they were placed on the table for the inspection of the members. The Mayor presided. The TOWN-CLERK read the proceedings of the special meeting of the Dock Committee on the 13th instant, which comprised the following : REPORT This document stated that at a meeting of the Dock Commit tee, held on the 13th instant, to consider and decide upon plans and estimates of proposed dock improvement in Wap ping, Nova Scotia, &c., the committee had considered the im provements in Wapping as prepared by the surveyor, together with the reports and estimates, and resolved that the plan be approved and powers be obtained to carry it into effect ; they also approved of the plan for the better accommodation for coasters, &c., on the site of Nova Scotia, and resolved that similar powers be obtained. Also that powers be obtained to purchase such land on the site of the late Harrington Dock as might be desirable to widen the east quay of that dock ; and, finally, that the whole plans be laid before the trustees for their approval, and that the Mayor be requested to call a special meeting of the Council, to consider the same. Mr. HARTLEY'S communication to the Chairman of the Par- propliatithl of the land to be purchased He states "'One of the greatest inconveniences connected with the Liverpool Docks has been the want of a connection between the North and South Docks; vessels having , discharged their cargoes in any of the docks of the South division, and required to take in their outward cargoes in the Northern Docks, (which is a case constantly occurring,) have hitherto been obliged to take in ballast to enable them to go in the river, as well as to employ a steam-boat and pilot, or run the chance of being upset, an instance of which, I believe, oc curred only . the other day. The inconvenience arising from this cause is every day becoming greater, and will be still more strongly felt when the Albert dock and warehouse are brought into full operation; and it has been partly with a view to remedy this evil, that I have designed the plan for a dock in Wapping, connecting the Queen's and Salthouse docks. Not only lies there a great necessity been felt for a more convenient wafer communication, but a siill greater necessity for a better land access to the different docks in this particular locality. The East quays of the Queen's, the Ring's, the Saltlibuse, and the George's docks are all greatly too narrow for the work- Wick Estate were to be fenced oft from the streets, which it is desirable they should be, in order to give more uninterrupted accommodation to the working of the docks, then the streets (which, including footpath and carriage-way are only 30 feet) would be so much contracted as to render it impossibl ry on the ordinary traffic with that facility which ou to car it to be themselves had to pais in this direction, bui also from the cir cumstance of the railway depot and several of the carrier's wharfs being likewise in this vicinity, almost the w hole com mercial traffic between this port and the interior has been con centrated here, in streets far too confined for the purpose. These inconveniences I have endeavoured to remedy in the design now laid before you. Little, if any, explanation of the plan it self can, I think, be needed, as the great improvement to be derived from it will at once be obvious to any one conversant with the present state of Wapping and the adjacent thorough- " It is proposed to construct a dock of 5} acres area, having a quay on its east side, 75 feet in width, and a public street on the outside 75 feet in width, running in a straight line from near the south-west corner of Canning-place, to the west end of Kitchen-street. A communication is also proposed to be made between this dock and the existing Duke's dock, by which means very great facility will be given to the carrying trade, and consequently to the shipping trade generally. The contemplated means of forming a system of railway communication along the whole line of the docks, is greatly dependent upon this plan being carried out; and in further ance of that measure, it is also proposed to purchase the Man chester basin, and the New River Company's basin ; and to form there an additional outlet into the river, opening from George's dock passage, (which it is intended shall be widened and otherwise improved) by which great relief will be given to the transit of ships to and from the Prince's and George's docks and George's basin, and the coasters and others relieved from the inconvenience tendant upon the use of the latter of those quays. Graving blocks may then be laid on each side of the basin. In connection , also with this outlet, dopOts will be formed, with which the railways from the different docks will be connected, thus facilitating still further the operations of the carriers. Every facility which can be afforded to the rapid transit of merchandise to and from the shipping must act prac tically as a proportionate increase of dock accommodation,. and I do not think I can recommend to you any plan more likely to attain this object, or be more beneficial to the general miffing for your consideration Mr. HAniLEy concludes by saying that he has not had leisure to make accurate estimates of the cost, but is decidedly of opinion that the position of the works forming the communi cation between the Queen's and Salthouse Docks may be con structed at a much less proportionate cost than any similar works in the port, added to which no river wall, and but little cleansing will be required. Messrs. John Stewart and John Wightman, in a letter (dated 3d January) addressed to Mr. Mason, the Secretary, state, that in looking over the Wapping esitmate, they think the com- mittee must assume £506, - 000 - as the entire cost, from which is to be deducted the value of the materials, and the contribution (if any) made by the Corporation. Estimate of the Proposed New Works in Wapping. The probable cost of works, ./ land, &c., .1500,000, . • Deduct—Corporation reversion old materials, 1'58,000, ..154,386; valuation of e 654,386 '115,000 ;—value of 6'123,000 45'531,386 If the above work be not carried out, 272f . 3 sq. yds. of frontage will be required in Wapping to admit of rails being laid, which at 415 per sq. yd. would be . . Assuming the above estimate, the work may be esti mated as follows : Wapping Dock (area of water) 5 acres 0235 yds. ; Basin, 1 acre 1671 yds. ; Salthouse, 1 acre 3412 yds :-8 acres 0478 yds., at .e 57,192 per acre, . Lineal yards of Quay. Wapping Dock, 6 308; Salthouse Dk. 55,-1013 at £457, ss. pc '463,18E m. yd. £463,186 Without the deduction for railway, the estimate will be as follows :—Wapping Dock, (area of water) 5 acres 0235 yds. ; Basin, 1 acre 1671 yds. ; Salthouse, 1 acre 3412 ;,--8 acres 0478 at .e 65,613 ss. . . . a Lineal yards of Quay. 308 ; Salthouse Dock, 55, neal yard, . . . Wapping Dock, 630 ; Basin, ,-1013 at .."525 11 s. 4d. per li- (Signed) JESSE HARTLEY, £531,386 sth'Jan., 1846. Estimate of the probable cost of the proposed new dock in Nova Scotia, comprising the Manchester Dock and the New River Company's Dock, with a connection with George's pas tage, and having a large and small gut to the river, will con- cam Of water space 3 acres 2864 yards, Quay space 3i ditto Lineal quay space 658 yards. The probable cost of (the works, 69,345 ; valuation of the land and building £200,000 . . . . . (Signed) JESSE HARTLEY, 7th Jan., 184( Approximation to the value of the property proposed to be purchased by the Trustees of the Liverpool Docks. Property described on plan included between Canning place and Queen's Dock, say £600,000. The entire quantity of land, including not only the pro perty destroyed, but the existing streets, and roads, is about 9000 square yards. Property on Nova Scotia, including the Manchester Old Quay Company's dock and premises, say . - '200,000. The entire quantity, including streets and roads, is about 36,500 square yards. Land east side of Sefton-street, say .C7o,ooo—appears by the plan to be about 27,400 square yards. (Signed) JOHN STEWART.. JOHN WEIGHTMAN. 4269,345 Liverpool, Dec. 31, 1845. Mr. BRAMLEY MOORE rose to move the confirma tion of the proceedings of the Dock Committee. He con fessed, he said, that he approached those proceedings with considerable diffidence, lest there should be a failure on his part in making out a case of the necessity for the pro posed improvements, though if it should be so it would not be for want of materials, but from pure inability on his part to do justice to the subject. That the plans which had been laid upon the table and submitted to the approbation of the Council, were admirable, no one would dispute ; and as to the advantages to be derived from them, if carried into execution, he also thought there would be no dispute. These plans occupied the broken link which had hitherto existed in our line of docks, and made them into one con tinuous chain, so that, if they were carried, vessels would be able to pass through the docks, from end to end, with out being obliged to go into the river. This was an ad vantage sufficient of itself to recommend the plan to favourable consideration. Every shipoNner would agree with him, that if it could be obtained, the coat not proving THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. too great, such a facility was most desirable, for it only very recently happened that a ship, in passing into the river, from one dock into another, capsized, and suffered considerable damage. Not only, therefore, was it with a view to the extension of the docks themselves, and to afford greater accommodation and facilities to the trade of the port, that these plans were proposed ; but also with the view of affording greater security to the shipping.--(Hear, bear.) He would just premise that now was the time when these improvements and extensions must be carried out—now or never—inasmuch as the land on the east side of King's Dock had been purchased by the Grand Junction Railway; and if this opportunity were lost, and the time allowed to pass away till that company should have erected expensive buildings there, it would then be altogether impracticable to carry out the proposed improvements. (Cheers.) He should say very little about the plans themselves, because they carried conviction to every mind from their simplicity, their uti lity, and their general convenience to the port; therefore, he should first direct his attention to making out a case of the necessity of further dock accommodation, after taking into account the large amount of works now in progress. He hoped to be able to accomplish this task to the satisfac tion of the Council. The next proposition he proposed to show was, that they were warranted in undertaking new works by the position of the dock revenue, and by the probable increase of the trade of the port ; and in doing so, lie should endeavour to confine himself to the past, appealing to undeniable facts, and as regarded the future, to take such a moderate view of matters, that no one would, as he thought, presume to deny the probability of what might be expected. (Hear, hear.) It would be difficult, indeed, and he thought the Council would agree with him, after they had heard his statement, to say where the trade of this port would finish, and where and when they must stop in meeting the demands of the port for increased dock accommodation. (Hear.) Hitherto we had always been in arrear (bear, hear), and by the time the new works now in progress should be completed, we should still be in arrear ; and therefore he held it to be their duty to provide accommodation as rapidly as they could for the wants of the future. He knew it had been stated in that Council and elsewhere, that • the Albert Dock was more than sufficient to meet all the wants of the port ; but he should be able to prove most clearly that this allegation was not the case,—nay, more, that all the new docks to the north, and the additional dock to the south, would be inadequate to meet the demands of the port at no very distant day. (Hear, hear.) It had also been repeatedly stated in that Council, that the trade of the port was rather more likely to be a declining trade than an increasing trade, more especially as regarded one branch which he should have occasion to bring under the notice of the Council in his subsequent remarks, and that was the timber trade. (Hear, hear.) Having thus in these preliminary remarks drawn attention to the advantages to be derived from the continuous com munication of the docks from one end to the other, he wculd now at once shew that some increase "of dock ac commodation would be necessary. In order to do this he must crave their indulgence, as he should have to trespass upon their time rather longer than usual, but, as this was a matter of very great importance to the town of Liverpool, he should be excused, he was sure. He wish ed to shew that in undertaking, as the Dock Committee had, to recommend this scheme to the Council, they bad not done so upon light grounds, nor without very grave and mature consideration ; and therefore, in order that the Council might estimate properly the increase in the trade of the port, he would give some statements in the first instance as to the increase of trade in other places. (Hear.) He would first take the port of Hull, because attention bad been particularly directed to that port, and because it had been stated not only in this town but in other towns, that the port of Hull was taking away a great part of our commerce, particularly the salt trade. (Hear, hear.) He looked upon these statements as altogether visionary, more especially when the railway which was shortly expected to run through the district called the Wyches, would enable parties to bring salt down to Li verpool, and at once put it on board the exporting ship, without the delay now caused by taking it out of the flat which brought it, and then on board the ship. (Cheers.) A MEMBER asked, what railway was here meant ? Mr. BRAMLEY MooRE replied, it was a projected line, nning through the salt districts in Cheshire, which, by -- nes, would enable the wag dock quays. He would now gons to come right upon the state the tonnage of Hull: — Year. Tons. Year. 1838... ........... 503,000 1842. 1839.. Tons. 595,000 653,000 . . 652,000 I 1844... 660,000 1 1845... 762,000 710,000 . It would be perceived from this statement that the in crease in the last two years in the port of Hull had been only about 80,000 tons, a circumstance to which be par ticularly called attention ; because there were at Hull new works in the course of construction upon rather an expensive scale, and of some magnitude, in anticipation of an increase of trade, and the want of dock accommo dation, He, therefore, begged the Council particularly to notice that the increase there had been 85,000 tons only. (Hear, bear.) He regretted exceedingly having been disappointed in obtaining returns from the port of Bristol ; but he could state so far that, if he had them, they would be very much to the same purpose. Having done this, he would now take the Council to the port of London. The following was the tonnage which bad passed through the several docks in the year ending 31st De cember, 1845 : East and West India Docks St. Katherine's Dock .. London Docks ...... ....... Tons. 333,503 157,191 273,795 764,4E9 This statement, compared with that for the year 1813, two years ago, showed an increase of 154,378 tons, which was the amount of the total increase of the East and West India Docks, the London Docks, and the St. Ka therine's. This was the increase for two years, let it be remembered. He had to request the members of the Council to bear this statement in mind, because, in order to show them the improvement of the trade here, and its rapid increase, he proposed in the next place to give the port of Liverpool ; and he had to state, and he did so with feelings of peculiar pleasure and pride, that as far as re garded increase, the port of Liverpool eclipsed the whole of them. (Applause.) He should state a fact altogether unprecedented in the annals of the' country as connected with the increase of towns. Surprise had been expressed by members of the Council when they talked of an in crease of 100,000 tons ; but he did not now compute its increase by one hundred thousand but by hundreds of thous , nds. In the annual statement of the Dock Com mittee ending June 24, 1845, the financial year, the in crease was there reported to be 383,819 tons over the preceding year. (Hear.) But the six months from June up to the 31st December last exceeded that, or that of any former period, inasmuch as it showed an increase of no less than 600 vessels and of 209,409 tons. (Great ap plause.) If this were taken and added to the previous in crease it would be perceived that in about two years the increase of the port of Liverpool, in point of tonnage, ex ceeded that of the entire of the London Docks. (Hear, hear.) It exceeded the entire trade that passed through the East and West India, the St. Katherine, and the London Docks, although those docks had all the advan tages of having warehouses round them. (Hear.) Con nected with this subject he begged at the same time to mention that the increase in money during the last six months over the corresponding six months of the previous year, amounted to .Z.C6,076 17s. 9d—from June to De cember ; a startling fact when he reminded the Council that the rates had been decreased. Mr. RATHBONE here asked for the exact figures, and they were mentioned again. Mr. BRAMLEY MOORE, in continuation, said, in order that this increase might be properly appreciated he must remind the Council that it embraced a period when the dock dues had been lowered upon all distant voyages, such as China, the East Indies, and South America, from 2s. 3d per ton to Is. 6d. This fact should be born in wiind, because 93. per ton was a very large reduction. (Hear.) These figures he thought had shown that Liver pool was progressing in a ratio beyond that of any other port in the kingdom, and that what he had stated would alone be sufficient to induce the Council to sanction the plans he had the honour to submit on behalf of the Dock Committee. (Hear.) What was there indeed to put limits on the progress of the port of Liverpool ? When we considered that the China trade was bu' in its infancy —that we had there but just opened a new commercial world where there were 300 millions of inhabitants, that the East India trade was very much upon the increase, and that the western trade belonged peculiarly to Liver pool—and when, he added, these two last trades in par ticular had increased more than ever—these circumstances alone were a sufficient answer to the allegation of no fur ther dock accommodation being required. (Hear.) There had been in every department of trade from different parts of the world an increase in the tonnage, with the exception of the Brazils, the West Indies, and the Gulf of Mexico, the decrease in which was of so very trifling a nature as not to be worth mentioning, But he would more especially cal attention to the East India and China trade and the trade wiih the Western World, which he must say belonged exclusively to the port of Liverpool —and which could never be taken from us unless our channels were filled up. The increase in the East India tonnage had been twenty per cent ; on the United States and Western trade it was about 30 per cent ; and the fact of these two particular branches having increased more than any other, was deserving of particular notice. He might add to this, and say, that as we give increased accommodation so we should draw trade to the port. (Hear, hear.) Suppose at no distant period, which he dared say would be the case, we should have a modified tariff of duties upon Coffee, Sugar, and other foreign pro ductions at present exc l u d e d by the very high tariff upon them ; when these duties were reduced, it was not in the power of man to divine what dock accommodation would be requir.'d in a port like Liverpool. He was aware it was said that so large a portion of our trade came from the western world, in ease of a war we should lose a great portion of it ; but war in his opinion would be the means of increasing it, because Liverpool would then become the port of England. It would be the only safe and approch.. able port in the event of war; for, in consequence of the introduction of steam in warfare, vessels would be able to come under protection all the way to Liverpool, when they would never think at all of venturing down the chan nel. So far then as the advantages of increased accommo dation went, he thought he had stated sufficient on that head. There was one branch of trade to which he would now call particular attention, having already referred to it, and that was the timber trade. It had been stated in that Council, that the timber trade was a declining trade in the town of Liverpool. It had also been stated by a member of that Council before the House of Lords, that this trade was supposed to have seen its maximum in Liverpool, and that it could not be an increasing trade. I He need only state one fact connected with the timber trade to shew its importance generally to the country— namely, that there were more artificers of eighteen years of age employed in the timber trade than in any single trade or occupation in the kingdom. This fact alone was sufficient to stamp the importance of this trade;. and so far from its being a declining trade in this town, he had every reason to believe that as increased facilities were given for taking timber into the country, so would the trade be pushed beyond its present limits. Hitherto there had been no accommodation for it at the north end at all—at least comparatively none, because while there were only 100,000 tons at the north end, there were 1,300,000 tons at the south. But when increased facilities were given at the north by the railways making there for carrying the timber away, not only would it go there, which it could without expense, but from' he north it would go to all the districts where the Liverpool, Bolton, and Bury railway, (hear, hear, from Mr. James Brancker,) and the intended Liverpool, Ormskirk, and Preston railway, would run, and would find a mart in every place connected with those lines. At present it might be said the timber trade met at Birmingham because it came there just in collision with the port of Gloucester : but Liverpool being a much greater and more important port, it would in all probability push the trade beyond Birmingham. At all events, the trade was a very increasing one, and it would continue to increase so long as the Grand Junction railway followed the wise policy which they had latterly done, of reducing their rates of carriage. He had before him a very elaborate document, which it would take too much time to read entire, and therefore he would read only the heads of it, for which he was indebted to a gentleman whose accuracy he was sure every one would appreciate when he stated it had been drawn up by Mr. Rankin. From this document the Council would see the number of vessels, and their tonnage, employed exclusively in the timber trade in the port of Liverpool, from 1838 to the present year ; and he ought to mention that all vessels bringing other cargoes, besides timber, had been entirely excluded : _ ----- Y - ear No. of Vessels Tons 1838 .. 305 .. 160,030 1839 .. 339 .. 170,000 1840 .. 230 .. 174,000 1841 • • 318 .. 174,000 1842 .. 165 .. 91,000 1843 .. 316 .. 107,000 1844 .. 367 .. 188,000 1845 .. 440 .. 234,000 . It was in 1844 that the timber trade was said to be on the decline : yet it would be seen, that in 1845 there bad been an enormous increase both in ships and tonnage. This table alone would be sufficient to show the council the importance of the timber trade, and how inadequate bad been the accommodation afforded to it in this port. There had been an extraordinary increase in several par ticular descriptions of timber. One of these was ma hogany, to which the Dock Committee particularly directed their attention some four or five years ago, with the view of affording more accommodation. He would give, for the last three or four years, the increase in pieces and feet, commeccing with 1838, because he had commenced the return of the ships and tonnage with that year : Year. Feet and Pieces. Year. Feet and Pieces. 1838 15 millions 1842 9 millions 1839 16 „ 1843 17 „ 1840 11 „ 1844 24 „ 1841 16 „ I 1845 30 „ Comment upon this was unnecessary, and it would be unnecessary for him to say another word to make out a case to show the necessity for increased accommodation. It had been stated in that Council more than once or twice, that the dearness of the port of Liverpool was against its interest, and that it was dearer in port charges than other places. Now in order to afford gentlemen an opportunity of ascertaining the dearnesi of the port of Li verpool, he had brought with him a parliamentary return of last year, containing the charges at every other port in the kingdom, and it would be proved, on comparing all their charges, that Liverpool was a very moderate andicheap port. He need not go further with this subject, but he would lay the book on the table for the inspection of any gentleman who chose to examine it. It would be proved that for what was charged in Hult Is. 3d., we charged Is. ; what was charged 10d., we charged 9d. ; and that what was charged Is. 9d. per ton, we only charged Is. 6d. In fact, Is. 6d. was our maximum rate. It would be preposterous to make a comparison of the charges in the port of Liverpool with those of the port of Bristol, because they were so great there its not to require further allusion. London was dearer than Liverpool. There was one point immediately connected with the necessity of affording increased dock accommodation which he had nearly omitted, and that was the coal trade. The coal trade was a trade wholly and entirely unaccommodated in the port of Liverpool. (Hear). He anticipated a very large revenue to arise to the dock estate from this branch of business, for which 'there was at present no accommodation, when the Council took into account the immense and rich zoal-field through which the Liverpool, Bolton and Bury railway passed. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear" from Mr. JAS. BRANCICEIt.) Without any great stretch of imagination, he thought this same coal trade alone would soon require a dock exclu sively for its accommodation, and for its special and sole use. (Hear, hear.) Liverpool had hitherto exported nothing in the way of coal, because it was only taken out as a matter of convenience in the shape of ballast. About one million tons came into Liverpool annually, yet out of that there had not been in 1842 more than 117,000 tons exported. He had no hesitation in saying from his own experience, that when such facilities were afforded that coal could be brought down and at once put on board the vessel from the railway trucks, without the expense of cartage, it would become a very important trade in this port. In his own experience, he had frequently been un able to execute orders for coal, and had been obliged to send them to Newcastle and other places, owing to the want of accommodation; but when the railways he had mentioned were opened, passing as they did through such fields, he anticipated the time, and he should be borne out In saying he was not assuming too much—when we should be able to compete with Newcastle and other places as an exporting place for coal. (Hear.) This, in deed would be very easy when we took into account the immense commerce which Liverpool had with all parts of the world. Here when vessels had nothing to do, the owners preferred laying them up rather than-undertake a voyage with a cargo of coal at the present cost of embarking it at this port ; but when the facilities were giv'en which he had pointed out such vessels would not be allowed to be idle. They would be sent with coal to many different parts of the world, and thus it would be a very easy matter for the tonnage of the port to be increased simply by coal be ing brought into the town so much cheaper. 400,000 or 500,000 tons would be comparatively nothing to export; but the coal trade must of necessity increase, because the demand for it all over the world for steamers was daily increasing. He might therefore venture to say that Li verpool would become a considerable port for the export of coal, and that this trade alone would, at no distant day, require the accommodation of a dock exclusively. (Cheers.) The increase of tonnage which he had shown in the last two years, was equal to the entire tonnage turned out and the business done in George's Dock, King's Dock, Queen's Dock, and Salthouse Dock, in the aggregate. (Cheers.) This fact would give the Council an opportunity of estimating whether the increase which he had brought under their no ice would not give ample oc cupation to every dock now in course of construction; but to make it more familiar be would confine it to Victoria, Waterloo, Prince's, and George's Docks, which were the four first docks of the port. This increase of tonnage in two years would require as much accommoda tion as those four' docks had afforded during the last year, and they bad been unprecedently and inconveniently crowded in the business that had been transacted there. He might reasonably assume that at least 25 per cent. more accommodation would be required than they afford ed ; and therefore he said there was ample trade at the present moment to occupy every dock now in course of construction, without at all looking into futurity. But they must look into futurity. Liverpool must take care of her trade; and that Council as trustees of the docks, and he might say trustees of the town, were called upon to see that ample and plentiful provision was made, not only for the existing wants of the port, but for its probable wants. And in doing that they were not to; be influ en in any way whatever by anything to which he had re to believe attention would be called, doing in an other quarter. (hear, hear.) What they had to do was to provide accommodation for the port of Liverpool, ir respective of whatever might be done on other parts of the Mersey. (loud cheers.) With these views he con fidently and strongly recommended to the protection of the Council the plans now before them. (hear, hear.] He had said enough he thought upon these different heads ; his next proposition therefore would take them to the estimates of the cost, to show that the Deck Committee were not going to pay more than the state of their finances warranted, nor more than the wants of the port demanded. The first point to which he would call atten tion was the valuation. The valuation of the property had been made by two eminent valuators, of whom it would be sufficient to say he believed they had rather the credit of over than undervaluing, in order to make sure of their ground. The property had been valued by Mr. Stewart and Mr. Wightman, consequently no doubt could be raised as regarded the value. ile would now take the Council to the estimates. They had already been read, therefore be should be very brief upon them. The total amount, it would be perceived, was £531,0001 from•which must be deducted £68,000, to which item he must call particular attention. The reason of this being deducted was, that under the circumstances of the intended rail way, they would have to pull down sundry stacks of buildings, which were marked upon the plan, which would cost about that sum. Whether the proposed plans were carried or not, this expenditure would be necessary in order to carry out the intended railway, the object of which, as the Council were a,./ire, was to facilitate and cheapen this port, because, he ventured to say, the utility of the Albert Dock warehouses, without a railway communi cating with them, on which the trucks could be brought,• and the merchandize be conveyed direct to Manchester, or any other place, without incurring one farthing's ex pense in cartage, Would be very much diminished indeed. He looked upon the railway, therefore, as a matter of absolute necessity for that purpose, whether this plan of extension should be carried or not ; and it was not aasuming too much to deduct the amount ,from the estimate of the cost of making the docks. Another point of accommodation which the Dock Committee hoped to obtain, and about which they thought there would be no difficulty with the proper authorities, would be an addi tional street for the accommodation of the public to the eastward of the proposed works. The Dock Committee, of course, were not called upon to provide for the im provement of the town ; and they apprehended there would be no difficulty on this subject, because the im provement was so apparent, but the advantages of it so great. No difficulty on this point could therefore arise. The next thing to which he would call attention was the estimated cost of the new works. The cost of the dock, and the (improvements at Wapping, would be £463,186, which would include an area of 5 acres 235 square yards. Then the railway would cost £63,400 making a total of £531,586, and a total area of 8 acres 478 yards, including 1 acre 1671 yards of water. Mr. W. EARLS. — What kind of acres? 1 Mr. BRAMLEY- Nioome—Statute acres Mr. EARLE—It is as well to know, for sometimes it is convenient to call them Cheshire acres. Mr. BRAMLEY-MOORE said, they were not in the habit of doing so. This. would make a total of 8 acres 478 yards, at a cost of £457 per linehl yard. Now, in order that the subject might be properly understood, he must call the attention of the Council to the cost of other works which had been erected in the town, because that would forma very good criterion to many who were not so well acquainted with dock works as the members of the Dock Committee. The cost of the present works, then, would be £457 per lineal yard. The Prince's Dock cost £670,000, or £564 per lineal yard, therefor , they would perceive that the Prince's Dock cost '— cent. more than the proposed improvements. The Docks, which were now in course of erection, would cost about £221 per lineal yard—the Albert Dock would cost £353 per lineal yard, or about 25 per cent. less than the proposed scheme ; but, on the other band, the Prince's dock cost 25 per cent. more, which must be account, and the Brunswick dock cost £3 yard. Therefore, when they took and made of those works, they would find the proposed works ~. moderate than could be anticipated —more especially when they took into account the densely populated state of the neighbourhood. It had been thought by persons that the population was so dense that it totally impossible to carry out the new plans. He (M. Moore) would therefore state, that the number of houses to be pulled down amounted to 146, and if they took into account the cellars which were occupied as separate dwel- 25 per North aken into 25 per lineal Bugs, there would be 285 ; but excluding these, the num ber was as he had stated, 216. With respect to the ware houses, he should leave that subject to be treated by his friend Mr. Nicol, who was better acquainted with its details than he (Mr. Moore) could be. When, however, they took into account the cost of the new works, and the number of families who would have to be displaced, they would find the subject was not as difficult as . many were led to believe, nor would they find the works so difficult, on comparing them with what had been done in London. The London docks, excluding from con sideration the St. Katherine's and East and West India docks, cost £4,000,000 of money ; 1 300 houses were pulled down, and 2,000 families had to be removed. Now, when the Council took into account the enormous amount of property taken, and the great namber of of families removed, they would not be startled at the number taken here, and the state of the property, houses which would be much better removed than as they now are. As to the effect of such removal on the health of the town he should say nothing, but would leave his friend, Mr. Tinne, to deal with that, merely adding that he thought their removal would be of very great advan tage. (Hear, hear.) The next step would be to call the attention of the Council to the state of the Finances of the dock estate, for he trusted he had. satisfactorily shown that further accommodation was necessary, and he (Mr. Moore) would undertake to show, with equal satisfaction, that they were in a position, from the state of their finan ces, to undertake some great work. It bad been stated on a former occasion, that the Dock Committee had no surplus revenue, but he (Mr. Moore) was happy to state, that they had a very large one, not only for the current expenses of repairs, but also quite equal to pay interest on the whole of their projected improvements without in creasing their dock rates at all. The surplus revenue of the dock estate for the past year was £99.023 3s. sd. A MEMBER. —For the pear ending 31st December? _ __ Mr. BRAMLEY MOORE.—That w as for the financial year ending 24th June last. Now in that was included £43,000 for repairs, which had been unusually heavy during the past year. The average of the repairs, &c., were generally something under £30,000, therefore, in ar riving at the surplus of £99,000, they should deduct the sum of £43,000. To that must be added, and he felt as sured he should have the - sanction of one gentleman pre sent for doing so, the profit on the Albert dock, which was at present entirely unproductive. The I,rofit of that dock had been estimated before a Committee of the House of Lords and Commons. at £38,000. He (Mr. Bramley Moot,) was, however, willing to take it at £30,000, which reckoning the present surplus, as it imight be, in round numbers, at £lOO,OOO, would make a clear surplus income of £130,000, and he felt quite sure by the time that dock was in operation it would exceed that. Under these circumstances he thought the bond-holders would have no cause for alarm, but would be perfectly satisfied with the state of their affairs. The present bonded debt was £2,500,000, and they could bear as much as would make it £4,000,000, at which it might be taken in round numbers. Therefore, with their present surplus, they might very safely undertake not only the works now in progress, but they were at liberty to do a great deal more, if the trade of the port should hereafter require it. He considered they were called upon to dc this, because so long as they afforded the necessary accommodation in the town of Liverpool for the trade of the port, so long would they keep the, trade of the port at Liverpool, and on this side of the Mersey. He, therefore, thought after the statement he had made to them connected with the state of dock affairs, that they were in a position not only to undertake the works now proposed, but that •no alarm need be entertained that they were either going into diffi culties, or into schemes of too gigantic a scale. His own opinion was, that they could not do that for the trade of the port had increased, and he had no hesitation in saying it would increase, therefore, be looked upon those who would get up the cry of alarm to the bondholders as pursuing a scheme purely chimerical and visionary. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) There was another matter to which he wished to draw the attention of the Council, and that was, that during the progress of the works the Salthouse Dock would only have to be closed for about three months. The next subject to which he would call their attention was the Manchester Basin. He had said enough with regard to the want and necessity for further dock accommodation, and with •regard to the finances of the Dock Committee ; and, therefore, he would only briefly allude to the proposed plan at the Manchester Basin, the object of which was to provide such accom modation as would enable them to take away produce either by land or water conveyance. It was not the inten tion of the Dock Committee to take the whole of that to themselves, but to afford sheds and other facilities for carriers. This would also, from its proximity, afford increased accommodation for the working of the Albert warehouses. There was only one other point to which he wished to draw the attention of the Council, and that was the subject of taking power to widen the new dock at the south end, and to make a straight line, so as to have larger quay space, from Sefton-street. They would then have a dock equal to the Brunswick Dock, which was the very best timber dock they - could have. This was a small matter, but it was absolutely necessary for the im provement of that land. Having gone through the whole which he thought necessary connected with the want of dock accommodation, and with respect to the estimates, he woad just remind the Council of what he had said with repect to the bonded debt and the surplus revenue. The enormous increase in the amount of the tonnage of the timber trade showed the great in crease of it—in fact, it was impossible to carry it on without further accommodation, and therefore it was absolutely necessary to do every thing they could to ac commodate it. Lastly, he wished again to call their att-n -tion to another trade—the coal trade. They would be im peratively called upon to provide another dock at the north end oi the town, for the exclusive use of that trade. This would be of great advantage to that trade, especially after the railway was laid down, as that would afford facilities to carry the coals along the docks to any part of the town, and to put them on board vessels in any of the docks. He was, however, quite convinced that with all this ac commodation they would, before four years had passed, fall far short of affording the accommodation which the port would require. Under these circumstances, it de volved upon him to recommend the proposed plans to the Council for their sanction, and he did so with the convic tion that they were well worthy of such sanction, and that now alone was the time to carry them out, or they would never again have the opportunity. The speaker con cluded by moving that the proceedings of the Dock Com mittee be confirmed, and that they be empowered to take the necessary steps, and prepare a bill, to carry out the plans connected with them. Mr. ROBINSON seconded the motion. He considered the proposed plans would afford very great accommoda tion to the trade of the port. The scheme was a most comprehensive one, and one which the town very much needed. It would bring the decks into complete con nection with each other, so that a vessel could get from one dock to another without the danger of going into the river in stormy weather. As respected the proposed ac commodation for the coal trade, he thought that was the weakest point of the case, as it was not a trade ever likely to require a dock for its accommodation. He should, however, wish to see George's Dock widened, for on the west side of that there was much land lying waste, which, if turned into water space, would be much more useful, and also the Albert warehouses completed at once, if that were possible. Mr. EVANS had heard, with very great surprise, that they were to have another open dock, in ad dition to the one hundred and eight acres of docks al ready in existence, and eighty acres which were in course of construction, and which had not yet been brought into play. The latter had not been at all taken into calcula tion, and be maintained they would provide accommoda tion for what would arise according to even the most san guine anticipation. He did not deny that the plan was a very good one for the ground, and would have answered very well numbers of years ago ; but the ancient policy of Liverpool had been not to run the risk of overdoing the docks, because an empty dock re-acted upon the others in the form of a charge. Now, the proposed dock would cost 100 per cent. higher than the rates they now had. He had arrived at a calculation, and he understood from his fr:end on his right that he was right, that the average in come of the docks was about £2,000 an acre. Now, the object of the Dock Committee ought to be, to keep down the port charges; but, if they went on consuming the surplus in the manner they were, they would find them selves one day in such a position that they could not re duce' the dock rates, and it would be impracticable to augment them. When they were owing £4,000,000 of money, as was admitted, and which he looked upon as the minimum, the interest on that, the annual average cost of repairs which he had heard Mr. Hartley declare, could not be reckoned at less than £3s,ooo—when to that they added the cost of the repairs upon the new docks, which would arise in time, and the expense of keeping up the whole with dock masters and all sorts of things, be thought they world not be far off an outlay of £250,000. Now, he had heard it stated in a very surprising sort of way that war would increase our commerce. That could only be asserted by those who knew nothing, from their own observation, about it (hear, hear). He recollected being told by a person who was in Liverpool during the last American war, that whole ranges of ware houses were empty, and the docks were so scarce of ship ping that boats were to be seen in full sail in them. But what sort of war would they have nest? It would be with one nation ; and he was of opinion it would reduce the commerce of the port pot less than two-thirds. However, the surveyor of the docks—a man of very ' great genius —however he might suggest improvements, and he (Mr. Evans) had no doubt he could do that adinfinilum, because he had a penchant for building docks, it behoved the Council to weigh well the point to which dock affairs were coming —it behoved the Council, as guardians of the dock estate, to weigh well those circumstances, which, in all probability, the sur veyor had not taken into his consideration. He (Mr. Evans) did think it would be utterly indefensible to go into any measure that would augment the dock rates. They had beard a great deal respecting the finances of the dock estate for the past year, but that ought to be looked upon as an exception. There was no question but they had, during the past year, had an undue excitement in the country; and he had heard it stated, that hu n d re d s of houses had been built in 1845, very doubtfol whether they would ever be tenant 4ovr those who were acquainted with Liverpool kn that for one year of excitement they had five of 1 tude. It was exceedingly probable that docks, in the Proposed, would, from their central situation, preference over others, but if they did they , others empty, w hi c h w ould Mt Another point he called atte it was very Id. Now - Iv, that losition have the I render every small port in the Liverpool, owing to the get,. A great deal had been said ab... commodation to the timber trade continued to do this at a loss. be very greatly favoured in that nothing which would feel more any approach to increased port charges tut The speaker then condemned the alter the Harrin on to was the fact that would become a rival to stablisbment of railways. it affording additional ac- e. Now he thought they He believed that trade to uriously the effects of gwu esea te, by whi c h t h ey wou ld h av e to drag the timber tip hill i nstead of its being on level ground. Now, with,regard to this trade, he thought Birkenhead would supply any deficiency there might be in accom modation, and he had heard it stated, that much of their proceedings, particularly in agitating new docks, and hurrying every thing to parliament in this gigantic way—he had heard it said that it was to pull down and master Birkenhead or to compel the parties to call upon the Liverpool authorities to resume the purchase. He trusted that would not be the case, for he should be very sorry to see the commerce of England revert to thpse whom it was very probable would, endeavour to bark the a d vantages of the localities. Now the great advantage of Birkenhead would be that they, if they managed their matters pro perly, would give the timber trade wharfs so that he con sidered so far from wishing to put down the docks on the other side of the Mersey, that they would be the means of protecting the estuary and preserve a good deal of the trade of the port which would otherwise be lost to it. He, however, objected to the new scheme because there was no provision for warehouses on the quays. He had had some experience us a member of the Improvement Committee, in the pur chase of land. and he would say don't give £lO or £l2 per square yard, but go and build warehouses upon your old docks where the land will cost you nothing. He therefore said it was the duty of the Council to refrain from constructing any open dock until they could ac company it with the desired warehouses. Now he would have warehouses on every side of the docks and not on one side only; but the present site was not sufficient for warehouses as there would only be about 35 feet left for them, and it would require at least 100 feet. If the Council resolved on accepting the plans he should cer tainly move that no docks be made without the accom panyment of warehouses. He should here be told that theie had been a compact entered into with the ware house owners. That he took the liberty of denying, and, in addition to his own testimony, read a letter from Mr. Robertson Gladstone, as chairman of the sub-committee, to show that the clause in the Albert Dock Act related to docks already in existence. He expressed his opinion that if the Council agreed to the proposal to construct a dock without warehouses it would not be permitted out of doors, and after observing that the Council were but im perfectly informed, as to the details of the proposed plan, with moving, as an amendment, that the subject be deferred until the next Council. After some conversation the amendment was altered as to fix the day for that day fortnight. Mr. RATH/lONE seconded the amendment. He urged upon the Council the necessity of delay before they ex pended so large a sum as that proposed, to see the effect of the dock accommodation on the other side of the water, where, in a few years, there would be 100 acres of dock space, and also, if possible, to try the effect of lower dock rates. Mr.. ALDERMAIICOL said, with regard to the wan t of information wh had been complained of, the very same means had been adopted on the present as on all former occasions, to afford information, and as to the value of. the property, at the period of the adjournment. the Council could not be in a better position than at pre sent. The Dock Committee had laid before them the es- timated value of the property, as ascertained by Stewart, and Mr. Wightman, and no better valuation could be obtained. With regard to the complaint of Mr. Evans, that they had departed from the ancient custom of waiting until the trade of the port overtook them, he thought if the Dock Committee deserved any credit at all, it was for their departure from that ancient policy and going on to provide for the future wants of the trade. Now, what was the conduct of Mr. Evans, the declared champion of the warehouse principle? ' Why he came forward, after he had bound the Dock Committee hand and foot, so that they could not move with respect to warehouses on the dock quays, and objected to their pro ceeding because it did not embrace a plan for building warehouses ! He (Mr. Nicol) however thocght there was some distinction between the proposed dock and those already in existence, and the Council were aware that the Dock Committee would not proceed with the Albert warehouses until after a given time. Now was a convenient time, and be thought the opportunity a favour able one for warehouse owners to come forward when the bill was before Parliament, and permit claims to be inserted, not only to allow the Albert warehouses to be tained for the erection of a line of warehouses on the east side of the new dock. As to the increase of dock rates, there wag no fear of that, and his friend, the Chairman of the Dock Committee, had , shown that at present they were not much in excess of any other port; and he (Mr. Nicol) doubted very much whether they were higher than any place in the kingdom. He, however, thought what the Dock Committee had to do was to give additional facili ties and accommodation to the port, and he thought no thing could be better than tlylan of laying down rails along the docks. A great ma too, had been said about the want of depots for the timber negitetth ate by wraapdyae past t ; k a te ybuteo f a c t an year, which of there being from mt argu ment he oenf athb el e a trade wt railway haes merchants oefexceedingly he elao notgs portthe tod sides w tu e ari l k lm of the docks, w hi c h wou ld ships to any part o f th e town or the kingdom. Mr. Evans had, howe ver , l a id great stress upon the increase argued to be an unnatural state of things, owing to the excitement which prevailed from railway speculation. Now, what was the fact? Since that exc i tement had subsided the trade of the port bad improved ; but the trade had not increased in the same proportion during the a p m a s o t u y n e t a e r d , a t s o it had 7 6,o during i n t l h B e 44 f o t r o m e x r 9 y 7 e , a o r o s ; 0, for, whi s n t 1 i S o 4 3 t , h i e t year just ended (1845) it only increased to £2,000. It was, therefore, evident that the excitement of the railways had distracted the attention of those engaged in com merce. Mr. Evans had stated that if war took place trade would fall off; but there was another matter to be considered, and that was, that if trade did fall oft ships would require dock room ; for it was a fact that during the depression of shipping the docks were more crowded than at present, and during war, if they required less sea room, they would need more dock space. With respect to there not being space enough for warehouses on the east side of the proposed dock, he was of opinion that those at the Albert Dock were inconveniently wide, and much narrower would be more useful. He did not anti cipate any rivalry from the other side of the water, except such as he hoped would be friendly for both sides, but it would be a great fallacy fors tradesman to give himself no trouble to accommodate his customers on the ground that another shop was about to be opened in the adjoining street. After alluding to the probable increase in the corn trade, as anticipated by some parties, Mr. Nicol concluded by deprecating delay. . Mr. PARKER. said he woul d have supported the amend ment if he had thought it had been honest or straight forward, but its object was solely to defeat so good a Mr. EARLE replied to Mr. Parker, but approved of the scheme if warehouses could be built around the docks. Mr. STEWART approved of the scheme, but thought the quay space hardly sufficient for warehouses. The es timated value :of the property which he and Mr. Wight man had made, was, however, only an approximation. Mr. J. H. TURNER and Sir THOMAS BRANCKER approved of the scheme, but spoke in favour of ware- Mr. BRAMLEY MOORE replied, and after some further conversation the Council divided, when there appeared for the amendment, Four; against it, 36. For the amendment, Messrs. Ihornbill, Rathbone, J. Holmes, and Evans. Against it, Messrs. W. Atherton, J. Shaw, J. Brancker. Chaltner, Middleton, Littledale, Tinne, Hende , son, Stewart, Toulmin, Robinson, G. G. Hornby, Royden, Pemberton, J. N. Wood, Kaye, Kilshaw, J. B. Lloyd, J. Hornby, Parker, Earle, Booker, Plump ton, Glazebrook, Mann, T. Lloyd, R. Houghton, James Lawrence, Sir Thomas Brancker, J. H. Turner, Nicol, J. Bramley Moore, Molyneux, J. S. Leigh, Chilton, and the Mayor. VANS then moved, that the Town•clerk should s opinion, and, if necessary, take counsel's opinion Upon the construction of the clause in the Albert Dock Act relating to the warehouses. This was not, however, put as a motion, it being understood, however, that the Town-clerk should not do so. Mr. EVANS then moved another amendment, to the effect that the Council should not approve of the scheme without warehouses on the quay, and that the measure be referred back for that purpose. Mr. J. HOLMES seconded the amendment. Mr. EARLE wished Mr. Evans to withdraw .the amendment, it being understood that the, question was under the consideration bf the Dock Committee, who were anxious for the introduction of powers to erect warehouses. _ _ . _ .......... Mr.._ EVANS, however, declined, and, after some con versation on the subject, the second amendme n t was put and lost, the numbers being three for it, viz., Mr. Chalmer, Mr. Evans, and Mr. Procter, and thirty-four against, including the seconder, Mr. J. Holmes. The original motion was then put and carried, and the Council adjourned at a quarter past three. A paragraph in the Chester Courant and other papers, which we copy in another column, states that the Chester and Bitkenh.ad Railway has been leased to the London and Birmingham Grand Junction, or Chester and Holy head. We have inquired into the report since the para graph was in type and find the fact to be that the Chair man of the Chester and Birkenhead railway without, as we understand, the sanction of the board, offered the line to all these patties, but that it has been declined by each. , f 1 i