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I am a freeman of Liverpool, and can s:arcely recollect whether I voted at the last electio a n r .l rather think I did. I did vo t e f or Mackenzie and Tner. I am a carpenter b y trade, and was at that time the ein e business for myself a t Kirkdale. At the time o d election I did the work of the Everton an Kirkdale Committee. It was at the corner of Mersey-st re et, Scot land road. It wa s a sh o p. I assisted in building it u His up as a com m i t t ee - room. M r . R os k e ll employed me. Christi an . name i s Th os. El eetwoo d. I saw Ininwr i itin ti gat . t hecornmitteP-room. I saw him the morning of t he ec rm The work I did w as s s . 6d., an d M r . Roskell paid e m e. I Was paid t wo or th ree d ays a f ter th e e le c tion, near that gentleman's shop door. I had been at work altogether four or five hours. Mr. Charles Henry Horsfall, I think, I also saw in the c o mm i t t ee room. Id o no t know posi tively that Mr. Horsfall's name is Charles ; it may be George. T saw one or two more, but did not know them. Mr. Roskell and Mr. Horsfall sat in the room writing. Mr. Horsfall is a merchant ;he is tall and thin. Ido not know any other person named Horsfall. He lives some- Where about Everton; and, from his appearance, I would take him to be between thirty and forty. I don't know What business he carries on, nor if he has any partners. out the CHAIRMAN : I have seen this Mr. Horsfall nbont Everton. He was first pointed out to me in a house in Castle -street, Kirkdale, about a fortnight before the election. I would know him if I saw him. I have not seen him in London. A person of the name of Whittle and Mr. Webster were the parties who told me who Mr. Horsfall was the first time I saw him. Mr. Webster keeps the Liver Inn. I have not seen Mr. Horsfall for a long time. The first time I was here I thought I saw him, but it turned out to be another person. It was objected to the further examination of this Witness that the identity of Mr. Horsfall had not been established, In reply to Mr. RODWELL, the witness remarked that Mr. Horgan was not unlike himself (Mr. Rodwell). Mr. RODWELL : Then I must not ask too many ques tions. (Laughter.) But we shall see when he comes. George Turner : I am a shoemaker, in Prussia-street, and as a householder voted at the last election for Macken tie and Turner. 1 was canvassed for Mackenzie and Turner, and I was canvassed for Cardwell and Ewart by Mr. Evans, and promised them my vote. Mr. Evans is a master tailor. A few days afterwards 1 applied to Mr. t vans to give roe something to do. He said he had nothing for me. I knew Thomas Pearson, a printer, in Liverpool, who was canvassing for Mackenzie and Turner. I told him what I wanted, and he said if I voted for those men he would find me something to do. On that condi tion I signed the requisition : it was in St. Paul's-square I signed it. Jonas Gleave was the landlord of the house I occupied, and Pearson told me that I should see Jonas Gleave and vot e w i th h i m. I was i n d e bt e d t o Gl eav e a t that time a b out 46, a little more than a quarter ' s tent. When Pearson told me this I did not object to it. He told m e t h at if I went to Jonas Gleave's I would be put down upon th e b ook and employed, an d t h at t h e money I Was to reeeive*farthat employment was to go to the pay ment of th e account which I owed to Jonas cleave. That conversation took place a short time before the election. He said I should be well paid for my trouble if I'voted for Ilackenzie ataTurner. I saw Gleave a day or two after wards at his own house, the Derby Arms. and was introtinced tb hi m b y Mr. Pearson, who told Gleave that it was my intention to vote fo r the other party, but that e could persuade me over if they would find me some thing to do. He further explained how this was to go a gainst the tent which I owed him for my house. There wer •e n 'specified terms, but as to howl was to be em rn ployed I was told that I was to be at Mays public-house, s ita tru n e e tit i n gh s -street the day after, and to - remain there for and do what th e y thought proper. I went there,-and remained till after the polling. Sometimes I bad no co an errand : voters came there and I gave them 'their palling cards, and "Is • te d so far as I could. had nothing to do withcanvassing. i was there for six or Seven days, I went on messages to the Swan, where I 'saw Mr. Gl eave and varieras other pattie engaged in the business of the election. I also went to the Derby Arms, to Mr. G. Scott Russell, and to others. On the Saturday after the election my account was settled. I had been 'employed six or seven days. I was-paid for two or two "and-a-half days more than I was really employed. All I ,got in money was 12a. 6cl and the rest went to pay the tent. I don't recollect how much was set off against the lent : only a few weeks, the rent each week amounting to epj wp.. ec6d. thattion, Russell am ong the rest. I wanted 10s. a-day, cou le of they object e d t o, b ut they made an allowance of a p days more, to make it up. I think they reckoned about 6s. a day. i don't remember what was the entire amount of my remuneration. _ Cross-exami ne d :: 'I wanted 10s. a-day for seven days. was employed about six days. I asked 10s., but they only gave me 6s. a-day. 'I -got I2s. 6d. in cash, and in my tent-book credit wa s g i ven ' for a sum which I don't just remember i made out a bill for six days. and I was pafd for six days. 'There was -a word said about two extra days by Russell. I think Russell told me to chargea. a-day. lam not positive that I received more in cash than £1 12s. '&1. ; it - was that amount within a 'few ehllings. I was -actively employed four days and a-half; or somewhere about four, 'and-so I added two and made it Six. I was nerOin business that time. I had been a boot and shoemaker. I have paid my rent months ago. I-was distrained upon •by Mr: Gleave. The bailiffs came, and I went to him and was a little angry, but did not tell'hina he should smart for it, or that I would have ray revenge— not to my knowledge. I did threaten to put him into court for a few shillings he owed me: I did not put it into court. I never threatened him with anything' that took place with referenrp to the Livernool election. I Swear that I have not said a word to Jonas Gleavetwith reference to his conduct at the last general election. Mr. Ron-WILL : Have you said so to anyone else ? Witness: That is a different matter. Mr. RODWFYLL : Who did you speak to about in Witness: ICo, I never did. Mr. RorrwntA, : Do you deny that you said to-same One, " I will be revenged upon the long fellow, -and show him up when I go up to London ?" Witness: I never did. Mr. RanwELL : Did you break your promise to' Mr. Cardw e ll an d Mr. E v art f0r...C.1 12s. 6d. Witness: can't deny the fact. Mr. Rorrwx:.l. : How long was it before the election When you promised your vote: . .. Witness:: I signed the reeuisition on the Sunday Zooming. C ross-examination continued: I have not been much with the Reform party since I voted at the election. I dare say I have stated what took place at the election to several parties. I went to York Buildings, in Liverpool. ildr. Brans, tailor, took me there. I can't tell any party to whom I mentioned the affair-before yesterday week. By Mr. BODKIN : I have mever threatened Jonas Cleave except in saying at one time that I would , put him into the county court. Samuel Hesketh : I am a freeman, and at the last Liverpool election voted for Mackenzie and Turner. -1 know the ' w en, and I was there the night before the I went " of to see if my son could get a colour cause I . k ne ,, it w my own a: acrd. I went there be aa on the side I wished to vote for, Mackenzie and Turner' s . scent Ito s ee if I could - find Jonas Gleave. I saw him, and he told me to come down next morning. B es i des Gleave, I saw other persons pre pent Jonas said my son was too young, being only between 17 and 18. He told me that I was to come down to his house next morning to.cee whether my eon could carry the .colours or not. I did go down, and took MY son with me. I got a colour for my son to carry, his /ulnae having been put down to carry st flag. He said he would find me an easier job than carrying a colour. That Was on the nomination-day, and in the Derby Arms, the house occupied by Jonas Gleave. Besides Jonas Gleave there was a man i n t h e yard who put -the names down. lie put them down in a small memorandum-book, and he wrote them down while he was in the yard. He put down my name, add my son's also; at least when I gave him my name he put down something -in the book. I went to the hustings in the procession. I slid not carry a banner, although my son did. A great many were oar 71.ring colours. Jonas Gleave gave me 3s. f 4. for my son tarrying the colours. He paid me it with his own hand. f, paid my son Is.kept the rest to present at I did not see anybody but Gleave present at the time when I was paid. lam a master - roper, and i fithefo p r ol in lin Y g se - l d f a . Y * for my vote Y no person whatever . cl I was atJonas Gleave's on the morning at.evelrw. as promised noth i ng Cross-examined : I h ave a l wa ys voted Red for years.,s electin.. eliAegGottitoTti: I , l aY IStir p voted "Red" since Totter Denison's £lO for voting ~ Red" at Escort and have . Charles See dc _objected to by Mr. James, on th e was called, an d tro ve th g e round that his name was not in the list. _T_ o Est)"" 1 a ' 'Jon a-geeey , he was afterwards ex a a n m d in v e o d ted by at 3 t l b r e . st e l ect . m a freeman of Liverpool , to ; car, electio n for Turner and 3lackenzie. I was employed 'al be !,.a colour on the day of the nomination. A man was paYild,.o the Derby Arms put my name down. I his hou se ` 14,4 1ey after the election by Jonas Gleave, at ipself at ti... at , l .e•est, in the lobby of the house. I was by Pay anybodvmpi eowa my , n --: tulle. The man was not there who had put ther e . +tor did I see the book. I did not see Horse, in the —B e. I know a public-house called the Bay I , go a deg , e L ondon-road, kept by a man named Tracy. eleht, b t - I know Mr. John Buck Lloyd by Ileighh o u u never rs there. saw him at that house. 1 have my own The inquiry was then Adjourned till next morning. atn of The • • SATURDAY, JUNE 4. ex : i a ncl tio o trY was resumed at eleven o'clock, by the jor . / on ° Dimsdal e , exam i ned b y Mr. Booms, who deposed: ti o : l4 freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last elec adVor Mackenzie and Turner. I saw Mr. Mackenzie , Lug Ad,..l_, • 'lnn' Hotel before the polling day. It was, per- Went`lsPsa few days or a week before. I was alone when I an in. I went by myself. I did not communicate with Y one before I went. I saw Mr. Mackenzie on the first floor I went up st a i rs , h av i ng b een s h own up by a waiter.l was shown t o a room w h ere M r . M ac k enz i e , ' l ir• Coop er, and Mr. Turner were. I shook hands with bot h candidates, and " Good morning, sir," was all that n_assed. Ther e were some other gentlemen present, but 7ho they were I cannot say. A 'gentleman came into the i ," 173 while I was there. I might hare remained in the thh?onl about five or ten minutes. I knew Mr. Turner by t, b u t never saw Mr. Alackenzie before. I bad signed e r equisition to them. They did not speak to me about f ur or vote. Ttiey came out w ith me . I was a canvasser that ward, but I cannot say whether I was on the ecnnnaittee or not. I made a return to the ward com lpittee, which met at the Roscoe Head. I could not tell the na mes of the committee. There were many in the r "m• I can't say who was the chairman. Mr. Payne, ;thon attorne, was on it, and also ooper , the same orn I ha y re previously mentioned. Mr. I C could not swear th at M r . P ayne was the chairman. The secretary, I nk, was Mr. Cooper. I cculd not say that Mr. Gre gory acted as secretary. I could not say whether the one or the other actea. I have seen several gentlemen writing there, Mr. C ooper an d M r. G regory among the rest. I od Made my returns, not every day, b u t every other day. I h a canvassing book. I know Mr. Culshew by sight ; I have seen him in the room. I have seen Mr. Shaw, but T can't say that I have seen Mr. Thomas Fleming. Mr. Jones, Mr. S. Jones, Mr. Henry Bremner, nor Mr. Copeland. I don't b e li eve I did go to the committee rooms to make my returns that day. I went to visit the members at the hotel in consequence of having been sent for. There are a few voters in the neighbourhood of Gill street Market, perhaps five or six. I had not any con versation at any time with Mr. Forbes Mackenzie about employment at the Custom-house, at least, not before the election. I had after the election. I applied for a situa tion in the Custom-house. I had not a conversation with any person before the election about a situation in the Custom-house. I swear that I had no conversation with any one. I did not see Mr. Forbes Mackenzie personally when I made application to him for a situation in the Custom-house. I have been examined in Liverpool be fore on this matter. I had no conversation with Mr. Mill—none whatever, on the subject. I recollect meeting that gentleman along with Mr. May and others : Mr. May and some gentlemen did speak to me about it. They spoke to me so late as last week. I told them, last Sa turday, that I would not satisfy them. Mr. May spoke to me on several occasions about the matter of a situation. I dare say I may have mentioned to Mr. May, before the elec tion, that I would like to get into the Customs. Ido not know Mr. Oliver Hatch at all. I have not seen any one at the Roscoe Head pay any money. I only saw money given once during the election, but for what I know not. I was applied to once for money, but said I could not give it. Cross-examined : I am a tradesman of Liverpool. The letter produced is the one I sent to Messrs. Turner and Mackenzie : I received no answer to it. I sent it some months after the election. I saw Mr. Mackenzie at the Adelphi in consequence of a message. I went into the large room where the candidates were. I did not see Mr. Mackenzie again till the day of the election—at all events to speak to. As to the ward committee, it was a standing committee, which had existed for a long time before. By the CHAIRMAN : I had no connexion with it before, and had never been in the habit of going there. By Mr. SMITH : I can't say that I have assisted in the municipal elections, except at the one in November last. The same committee were acting so far as I knew. I be lieve the committee existing before the general election was the same as the one which was employed for Turner and Mackenzie. I saw several gentlemen writing in the tommittee-rooms. I don't knew whether Mr. Payne was chairman. I can't tell who were upon the com mittee and who were not. There were a great many Theirs around the table. I know they went there who took an interest in the election. I think Mr. Weston was there. By Mr. BODKIN : I cannot say that there were placards posted on the outside of the committee-room : there might have been. On - the day of the election flags were hung out of the windows of the committee-room. By the CHAIRMAN.: The Adelphi is in Rodney-street ward. There is a large number of voters of the poorer sort in this district—at least in the part of it which I canvassed. Most of the voters there were, I believe, householders. Of the electors the most of them voted for Mackenzie and Turner. George Ward -examined : I am a woelbroker in Liver pool. I interested myself on the Conservative side at the last election. I was a member of the committee. Messrs. Culshaw, May, and Musker, were members. I don't re collect Masker acting as a member. Mr. M. Edward Williams (Mr. Lloyd's partner) was an active member of the committee. I believe Swetenbem was on the commit tee, and I-saw him there. He was in constant attendance at the Swan committee. I could hardly know the man if I saw him now. Mr. Jonas Gleave was the secretary, and George Gleave was clerk. By Mr. MACAULAY : But did not Swetenham, as Geo. Gleae vas often drunk, do his duties, when he was in'a pable never saw either the one or the other drunk. I retreinber the name of Swetenham very well, but would not know him now. Swetenham was here called into the room, and witness, in answer to Mr. Macautiky, said, he recognised him as the same man he had seen in the committee room habi tually. I can't say that I have seen him at a small table or not, but I have seen htm writing. I have seer: him re ceive the returns of the canvassers in the room. I have debiined to make any statement to the parties conducting the case for the petitioners. I never was called upon to give it. He was not, to my knowledge, the person who communicated from the ward committee beard to the central committee. Ido not know that the committee -at the Swan held communication with the central com mittee. I had nothing to do with the communication to the central committee. I took very little notice of what took place. It is net to my memory that there were con stant communicrtions betwixt the one committee and the other. I had nothing to do with that department. Mr. 'MACAULAY : Then there was a department ? Witness : I knew there was a central office, for I have been there ; but I knovv of no despatches being transmitted thither from the Swan committee. It may have been sent to the central office, but I was not cognisant of the fact. I have seen the state of the canvass, but Ido not know whether it was anybody's duty or business to carry the state of the canvass to the central dice. We had a clerk and a chairman, and I swear that I do not know of any communication whatever between the committee room and the central office. I swear that, to the best of my knowledge,' I never heard mention made of any com munication from the central office. - I was a member of the ward committee, which was constituted for prosecuting the canvass. Occasionally I was present at the meetings held to discuss the state of the canvass. I was there on most occasions. I incurred a little expense. I paid a small hill for nno .f the oorninittoo roorno connected with -the ward. I paid between 30s. and - -C2 to Mr. Rigby, from whom - the room was taken. That is the only pay ment I ever paid on account of - the election. I carried the memorandum book to Mr. Jones - Gleave, who repaid me the money subsequently. I am• not aware that any members of the committee incurred any expenses. We had a clerk and canvassers—not paid canvassers. that 1 know. There was no doorkeeper, that T know of. At least I never saw such a person. 'Neither was there a messenger. I know of no expenses but for stationery and books. I don't know bow many ro oms we h a d at the Swan. Ide not know of the small room beside the com mittee room. I do not know of a private room. I was at the Swan on the polling day. had a list of names. My district was at some distance from the Swan. Nothing more going on there than what concerned the election. I went several times during the election to see how the poll was going on. I merely ran in there as I was passing. We hadget another house for the convenience o f th e p o lli ng . They did not receive slips of thestateof the poll that Iknow of at the small room for which I paid. 'I don't remember who the persons were at the swan on the polling day. I don't remember. Ido not know that - Swetenham was there. I have no recollection of the subject. He was not there checking the returns to my knowledge. I had nothing to cio at the Swan. I did not- see ribbons at the Swan till the nomination morning. - They were not rosettes. I saw ribbons merely. The ribbons were from the general committee rooms, and I saw them given to those parties who joined in the procession. I don't know who distributed the ribbons. The ribbons, so far as I know, were not tied to the top of sticks. I was there, and did not see them. Except the 40s. paid for the room employed during the day of the poll, I made no payment whatever. I had nothing to -do whatever with the financial affairs. I know of no other outlay. I may have seen letters from the central committee-room at our committee ward, but I don't recollect. I have not seen on the table of our committee-room circulars from the central office. I swear that I have not. I did not take any reports to the central-room. I called in to see how things were moving—nothing more. As a member of the Swan Committee, I do not know that it was a part of our duty to communicate with the central-office. Cross-examined: I am a wool broker in Liverpool. - This ward committee was a standing body. Mr. Buck Lloyd was chairman for the municipal election that I have voted at.; Mr. Jonas Gleave secretary. In my ward the voters were chiefly householders. I bad a favourable canvass, which promised a majority ;. a large majority. By Mr. MAC AXE. AY : This committee was the -same body that conducted the municipal election. I never attended it in the course of a municipal •election. I never, either at one time ,or another, paid any money towards payment of the expenses. Mr. MAcAuLAY-: Who was responsible for the ar..- penses'? Question objected to. By theCtwassAN: I never saw anybody paid except on the occasion when Itpaid the small bill. By Mr. TALL . : I did not make any stipulation as to expenses before I entered upon my duties as a member of the committee. I believe, from what I have heard since, that it was the same body that managed the municipal election. At this stage of the investigation the room was cleared, and upon the return of the reporters, the Chairman said,: I have to inform counsel that the committee have been considering the length to which the examination in chief of the witnesses has been proceeded with by the learned counsel for the petitioners ; and I wish now to express their opinion, that while they are perfectly aware of the difficulty of counsel in examining witnesses whom they believe to be unfavourable, the cornmiVee still think that, unless the examining counsel have reason to suppose that the witness is purposely suppressing the facts, the exami nation should not be allowed to proceed on the prin ciple of a cross-examination, but that it should be con fined to the ordinary rule of examination in chief. John Swetenham, examined by Sergt. KINGLARE, said : T am in business in Liverpool as a collector of debts. Before the election I was out of employment. At the time of the election I went and inquired at Jonas Gleare's if he could employ me as poll-clerk or anything of that kind at the election. That was four or five weeks before the election. He is a plumber and a publican. I know him for many years. He said he could not give me full employment, but he would give me some. He was to employ me in the committee-room, at his own house. I began on Wednesday morning, when I went to the Derby Arms, and commenced business in a private room by myself. I found the books at which I was employed in the room. I was occupied in that room for several days ; I cannot tell how many; and then I was told to go to the Swan. The committee-room was opened across the road. I did go. I went to one of the upper rooms on the first floor. I saw there, while I was writing, various persons,—some of them who were closeted with me. Mr. Riding, who was chairman, was there, and I also saw Mr. J. Buck Lloyd, who was an elector of the ward. Jonas Gleeve was the secretary, but I can't say how many were on the com mittee. Mr. Leader was one whom I have seen there, also Mr. Musker, Mr. Cooper, and Edward Wil the latter of whom was frequently in and of the room. I have seen him running back wards and forwards, with notes, &c., which he some times handed to Jonas Gleave. I was there at the time of the election. I was employed at the books and papers. Canvassers brought statements to me. They called in and gave in their returns. The canvassers did not set out from the committee-rooms. I know Mr. Horne ; he was a canvasser, so was John Smith, now in the post office ; a person named Williams, not the same as I men tioned before; Russell, whom I understand is an agent and broker, but I do not know where he lived. The ward was divided into sixteen divisions, and I supposed there was a canvasser for each division. I don't know that the canvassers were paid. Besides attending to the canvass I wrote circulars, having been ordered to do so by Jonas Gleave. 1 had nothing else to do. This was done in the room up stairs. I kept the book till the election was over. It was open in the rooms for any one to look at. I know a room, No. 26, North John-street. I only went once to that room for canvass books, when we were short. I was sent by Mr. Jonas Gleave. He told me to go to Mr. Buckmaster's office. I went and saw one of the clerks, telling him that I wanted canvass books for the Lime-street Ward Committee, and also a burgess list, as ours had been destroyed. I said Jonas Gleave had sent me. That was the only time I went. I believe I did take one note to the secretary. I had instructions to leave it for Mr. Buckmaster. I don't recollect the name of any one I saw there. There was a placard with the names of Turner and Mackenzie at our room. There was no placard at the central office, in North John street that I know of,—at least with the candidates' names upon it. At the ward committee office the rooms were on the first floor. There was a small room, to which the gentlemen occasionally retired. You had to cross the landing. We had not the second room for more than a few days that I know of. We had not a third room that I am aware of. I never saw Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner at Jonas Gleave's house. I have seen them at the committee-room, where we procured the canvass books. Jonas Gleave was present on several occasions of the kind. I believe the candidates always came together. They spoke about nothing but the canvass and its progress. The canvassers usually attended the candidates when they visited the ward-room. I saw Mr. Thomas Bold in the room once. I did not see Mr. Hors. fall there. It was a few days previous to the election when Mr. Bold came. I don't know Mr. Buckley Jones. I saw Mr. Lloyd there probably twice. I saw the members in St. John's-market once. Jonas Gleave was waiting with them. I had nothing to do with money accounts, and I saw none. I never was at Mr. Buck Lloyd's office before the election, that I remember. I do recollect going there before the election, a few days. I left a note for him, I did not see him. I saw Mr. William's, the clerk. On the first occasion I left a note with one of the clerks. I never took notes during the election to any of the others. I only received my wages from Jonas Gleave— that was all the money I got, I did not see money paid to any one. I never paid any money myself, nor was I ever present when money was paid. I have never seen Jonas Gleave or his w►fe pay money in connexion with election business. I did not transmit any money at all. No money, except my wages, passed into my hands. I have no knowledge of rosettes haying been made up there. I did not give my wife any secret mark to put upon a rosette. I never saw what was called an 1.0. U. I heard talk about one in the committee-room. I heard there were such things. Numbers of persons were in the room at the time—sixty or seventy. It might have been some of the committee who spoke, but I know not. The com mittee did not talk about it. I did not hear the committee talk of it. the talk in the public room was a few days before the election. I heard it twice or thrice spoken about. I did not join in the conversation. People were going backwards and forwards, and so was I. It was not addressed to any of the committee. By the CHAIRMAN : I never heard it spoken of by the committee as a committee. Examination resumed : I never saw a private card, de noting that the bearer was to receive money. I never put a private mark upon a card to communicate to my wife the amount of money which was to be given to a voter. never did pass any communication whatever to my wife, by any way whatever, for such a purpose. I never sent a -card or paper to any other person with a mark upon it; I am certain I did not. I saw men carrying colours on the day of the election. I was not present when they were engaged, but I was informed that they were engaged by Jonas Gleave. I saw a great number with a small stick and a ribbon attached to it. I saw them in various parts of the town. To the best of my recollection I have always given the same account of these transactions. I knew a person named Vincent, and I swear that I never told him that I was in receipt of £5OO from Mr. Buck Lloyd's office, through Mr. Edward Williams, his clerk. I believe I never told him I was to receive any sum of money. I never received any money, and I never did say that / re ceived it. I never told him or any one that I had gone twice to Mr. Lloyd's, and that I received from his clerk, Mr. akVilliams, at -first £4OO and then £lOO. I never said that money had been passed through a hole in - the wall. I have never said to any one that I had received money at Husker's, nor at a hotel in Finch-street, or that I had paid the money to them. I never said anything to a per son named Dixon, that, as my wife had assisted me as a draper, her knowledge of the private marks favilitated the payment of money at the election. I remember going to Staleybridge with-Dixon, and speaking to lam about the Liverpool election, and not about the bribery and corrup tion. i never told him that my wife got the private mark, and that-she-put the money up for the voters. I told him that I heard of such things, but I never saw them. Cross-examined by Mr. SMITH : There has always been a committee-room for election purposes in the ward, Mr. Buck Lloyd being a member of the committee. Jona■ Gleave had been -secretary for some years of the com mittee, I believe. Any voters of the ward,-or of any other ward, could walk in and out of the room. It was open to anybody. Speeches were made, and it became full occa sionally, so that all business was stopped. I saw the candidates in - St- John's Market, attended by about forty or fifty people, and among them I saw Mr. Jonas Gleave. I saw that they were canvassing. I knowtGeorge Turner, and `I have heard him say that he would " do that long fellow, Jonas Gleave, and show him up when he got to London, as he owed him a grudge." ,/ heard him say that in Lime-street. It was after the election. I told Jonas Gleave of it, and he told me to -make a memoran th,m of it By the CHAIRMAN: It was known during t4ie day of the evening on which the candidates visited the committee room that they were to come. It was always known a few hours before they came, that they were to visit the committee. By Mr. BALL : The committee acted both in municipal and parliamentary elections, end was composed, I believe, of the same members and secretary.. I have been engaged before. Mr. MAC AULAY : 'Was the committee forthat ward for municipal purposes oom posed of a joint bay, Conservatives and' Whigs ? Witness : Yes. Mary, wife of Thomas Swetenbam, examined by Mr. MACAULAY, said : I recollect my husband being engaged in the election. My husband was formerly a draper. I did not know the trade electors. I was living at Liver pool during the time of the election. Ido not recollect any-gentleman presenting a card to me with a paper or card, except a voting paper for my father. Never received from my husband any sem of money to pay to any person. I did not make any rosettes. I did not see any made up. I did not pay to any person any sum of money during the election. The evidence of this witness—which proved to be socom pletely opposed to the hopes of the petitioners —was re ceived with much laughter. Thomas Park Tudor, examined by Mr. BODKIN, de posed : am a freeman af,Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Turner. eIINV Jonas Gleaveat his own house previous to the election ; he asked metarote for Tur ner and Mackenzie. I said yes. This was onthe nomination day. I had been in before at Gleave's. It was on the Friday before the election I-first went in. On that occa sion I promised to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. I was drunk. I went again on the Monday and on Tuesday. The latter.-wcs the nomination day. I was drunk - , although I was sober at first. I first went about seven or eight o'clock. atoned Gleave to let me carry a colour, and he said yes ; he is a decent man i&Gleave, and I cannot give him a bad character. (Laughter). I got my &s. for carrying the colour—(laughter)—but that was not bribery. (Renewed laughter). Gleave paid me the money at his back yard. .1 don't know what, sort of a colour it was I carried—whether it was the Union Jack or what it was. All the other colour-bearers were paid by Gleave at the same time—one after the other. was Gleave, himself who paid us. -Some of the men who were paid were voters. Most of-us were voters. .1 have seen a man named Swetenhatn. I don't recollect if I saw him that day, as I was tipsy. [The witness here renewed the most unequivocal symptoms of being in hisordinary condition.] On the nomination morning I saw .a man give Gleave some gold in the parlour. The man who brought the gold had a red book. I saw Gleave write in the book. I don't know what he. wrote. I'm no " sehollard." After writing in the book,.he gave it back to the man. There were more than one _or two sovereigns. I heard them talking, but did not hear the subject of theirconversation. The man might be -there for a quarter .of an hour. J don't know the tnarez.qame. and I have .not seen him since. I went, back to the Derby Arma after the nonsi ,nation. and staid there all night.• I happened to be at the Swab after the electioq. I walked there. 1 went to have a look at it. This was after the election. Three days after it. I went into an-up-stairs room, for ,the pur pose of seeing it. (Laughter). I did not find any per son In the room—only myself. I had some ale. I did not notice any hole in the panel of the door. I never saw any one get anything any time, either down stairs or up stairs. I saw no hand put through the panel with a rib bon containing money wrapt up in it. Mr. BODKIN: Did you not swear to the solicitors for the petitioners that, when you went into the room, a h aw ' was put through the panel of the door, and every time it appeared one of the colour-bearers went up, and took the rosette from it, in which rosette there was a sovereign ? Witness : I did say that ; but I did not swear it. Mr. BODKIN: It was false ? it was a lie "r —But I did not swear to it. Hon. Mr. MAXWELL : Do you mean to state that what you said on a former occasion was not the fact ? Witness : It was a lie. Mr. BODKIN: Was that statement not put down in writing, and signed by you with your mark ? Witness : I did put my mark to it. That was in a house where they took me; and, as I wanted to get plenty of drink out of them, I carried them on ; but what I told them was all lies. They made me quite drunk then. (Laughter.) The CHAIRMAN : Then, do you mean to say you were drunk when you made the false statement ? Witness : To be sure ; I was quite drunk. Mr. BODKIN : Were you sober when you began to tell the story ? Witness : No ; I had been drinking for three weeks before that. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN : How did you get drunk so long ? wh ere did the money come from ? Witness : 0, I worked, and got drunk too. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN : You say you got ss. for carrying th e colours on the nomination day ; is that true or false ? Witness : Oh ! that is quite true. At least they gave another person the cash to give me, as they said it Would be bribery to give it to me. Now, I have no more to add, for if I said any more it would be nothing but a parcel of Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN : You have said you told these lies to get drunk. Have you not been examined since the first time by a gentleman in London on the part of the petiti oners, when you were quite sober , and when , being quite sob er , you swore to the truth of all that you had previously stated ? Witness (after a long pause); I know the gentleman whom I saw. He is present, and that is him whom you point out. The individual alluded to was a clerk in the service of the solicitors for the petitioners. Mr. BODKIN : Did you not tell that gentleman last Friday, on oath, that what you have previously said was true ? Witness : I don't recollect. Mr. BODKIN : Where was it you saw him ? Witness : At the house where I am living, the Feathers, in the Waterloo-road. Mr. BODKIN ; Did he not read a paper to you ? Witness : I can't exactly say. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN repeated the question, and received the same, or a very similar reply. Mr. BODKIN : Do you remember that gentleman (pointing to the clerk) coming to the house you are stay ing at last Friday ? Witness : I partly remember. Mr. BALL : Did that gentleman read a paper to you ? Witness : Not that I remember. Mr. BODKIN : You only came to town on Friday, I am told. Then, did that gentleman call upon you on Satur day ? Witness : On Saturday I was drunk, and I don't re member. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN : Have you ever seen that gentleman be. fore ; and if so, when ? _ _ _ Witness : I have seen him in London, and I have seen him at Liverpool when I gave my evidence. Mr. BODKIN : Did be not, since you came to London, speak to you of the evidence you gave at Liverpool ' • and did not you, therefore, tell him that what you had said was quite true ? Witness : I am on my oath, and I will not tell a lie for any man living. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN : You have already given me a very good specimen of your antipathy to lying. Did you not, I again ask, tell him that what you had previously affirmed was true ? Witness : I don't recollect it. I have been drunk every day since I came to London—(laughter) : ay, and every night, too. (Continued laughter.) Mr. BODKIN : What time of the day was it when you saw the gentleman in London ? Witness : It was at night ; the night before last, I think. Mr. BODKIN : Did he then say anything to you ? Witness : No. Mr. BODKIN : Have you seen Jonas Gleave since you came to London ? Witness : Yes, I have. Mr. BODKIN : Did Jonas speak to you of what you would have to say here ? Witness ; No ; we merely asked for each other, and how we were enjoying ourselves. (Laughter.) The CHAIRMAN : Has not Mr. Jonas Gleave spoken to you as to what evidence you were to give before this committee ? Witness : No. Mr. BODKIN repeated the question with the same re sult precisely ; the witness, after a long hesitation, giving a decided negative. The witness was here confronted with the clerk. The CHAIRMAN : Look at that gentleman. Do you know him by sight ? Witness : Yes, I have seen him at Liverpool, and when be called on me here ! asked him for 55., which he gave me. The CHAIRMAN : Do you recollect him asking you about the evidence you had previously given ? 'Witness : No. Mr. FRESHFIELD: You are not asked, remember, whether the evidence you gave at Liverpool is true or not, but you are asked, is it true that you told that gentleman that what you bad said at Liverpool was perfectly correct ? No reply Mr. BALL: You told a story to certain people at Liver pool, for drink, you say itness : Yes. Mr. BALL : That story was not true ? Witness : No, it was not. Mr. BALL:: Do you recollect that gentleman asking you whether it was true or not? Witness-: No, I do not recollect. Mr.WILLIAsts •: What did you say to him, or he to you ? Witness : I asked him if he'd give me ss. to go some where, and he gave it me. Mr. frsiTITI : They took you to a place where you told this false story'? Witness : Yes. Mr. SMITH ; They gave you drink. Did they pay for it ? Witness : Yes. Mr. SMITH:: How long did you sit at that place ? Witness : Oh, for two or three hours. Mr. SMITH : What have you had since you came to London ? Witness: Oh, only that - 55..; but we have as much to drink at our house as ever we like to call for—in reason, of course. Mr. - SMITH': Enough to make you drunk? Witness : Oh, yes. (Laughter.) Mr. 3p2iTR : ' You nave - been drunk ever - bium cawe here ? Witness: Yes, on Sunday and all. (Laughter.) Mr. SMITH : Where do you-stay ? Witness.: With some of the others at the'Feathers Inn, on the other side of the bridge. Mr. MAcAuLAY Do you mean to say that -you are made drunk at that house every day at the expense of those who brought you-? 'Witness : Yes. (Continuedlaughter.) Mr. MACACTIAY : Do you mean to swear that.you have not been round the corner to the whiskey shop, where you buy liquor yourself? Witness : 'Only hter once; and'l only bought a single two penny worth. (Laug.) Mr. MAcAuLier : How wouldit be necessarylar you to go round the corner and buy your own whiskey, if you could get it in the house for nothing ? Witness : Oh, because I was in-the street. Mr. MACAULAY: But was the place far oft? Witness: No ; a very short distance. The CHAIRMAN: Did you get, free of expense, so much drink that it intoxicated you-? -Witness : Yes, and could have had more. The witness was then tord to leave the room. The inquiry was adjourned at three o'clock till noon on Monday. The attendance during the day was not great, although towards the close of the proceedings the interest seemed to heighten. SECOND EDITION. MONDAY, JUNE 6 The inquiry was resumed this morning at 12 o'clock. The attendance of strangers was exceedingly small. The first witness called was John Calderwood, examined by Mr. PA.GET, who de posed .1 am secretary to 'the Concert-hall Company, Lord Nelson-street, which is let for the purpose of pub lic concerts. I remember that, previous to the last elec tion, various meetings of the ward were held in the hall. The 19th of April, the 4th ofllay, the 16th oflune, and the 25th of June, were the dates of meetings held in the hall—the latter a Welsh meeting on the Papal Hierarchy; and that of the - 16th of June was called to hear a lecture on the Papal• Policy. The first two meetings were com posed of the Lime-street ward, the room having been taken by Jonas Gleave for electioneering purposes. I was present at the first, on the 19th of April, and heard va rious speeches delivered. The meeting on the :Papal Policy was presided over by Mr. Lewis, and the Rev. Mr. James was a speaker. The most of the speeches were in Welsh, and also the lecture on the;Papal Policy. f not understand Welsh, and so I cannot say that they referred in their speeches to the election. I was not pre sent at the meeting held on the 16th of June. On all -thosenceasions the room.was taken by Mr. Jonas Weave.. Fr received the money from .Gleave for the one on the 16th included, which was generally ileown as the . Pious Dodge Meeting." (Laughter). •I do not know who was in the chair at the 25th of June meeting. I did not see thetandidates present at any of these meetings. Cross-examined by Mr. M. -SMITH : The first meeting was open to the Lime-street 'Ward. I take no interest in political matters. I can't .call to mind that Mr. Gleave hired the hall previous to these meetings. I can't posi tively •say. Yes, he has engaged the hall previously for some time for municipal meetings. By Mr. PAGET : I am a member of no election com mittee. I confine myself to the duties of my office. By the CHAIR/lAN : On two occasions I received the money from .Gleave's hands, and on the ether occasions I sent receipts by the porter to Mr. Gleave's, and the money was paid. I cannot swear to receiving it for the 6th and 25th from Mr. Gleave. To Mr. BALL : The room was ordered for the Lime street Ward committee of election for Mackenzie and Turner. On all occasions I consider that the hall was taken for the same parties. William Aliens= was here recalled, and on Mr. George Henry Horsfall being introduced to the room, the witness identified him as the person whom he understood to be Mr. Charles Henry Horsf&ll. Mr. SMITH : Did you not say that Ile was thin ? (Laughter, in wh!ch Mr. Horsitill good-naturedly joined.) Mr. SMITH : Now, there are two statements the wit ness made—that he was thin, and that be was like my friend Mr. Rodwell. Now, he is neither the one nor the other. (Laughter.) The CHAIRMAN observed that the witness had stated that Mr. Horsfall was very handsome. The witness Allanson's examination-in-chief was then resumed I went to do repairs at the ward-room. I saw Mr. Wood there on the election morning, and various other gentlemen. I was there the greater part of the day. The house is in Scotland-road, at the corner of Great Mersey street. Was employed to fit it up as a committee-room. There was a sort of a temporary counter fitted up there. There was a sort of an opening at one end of it—a flat piece on a hinge. There was an opening underneath at the end as well. The counter was fixed ; that was part of the work I had been employed to fit up. While I was in the room he passed me some ribbons under the counter. Standing on one side he passed them under the counter to me on the other. I gave them away to different people ; I may say to a dozen or two, Some were loose, and some were in a paper. I think I did keep two or three of them to myself. I only kept one. None of those ribbons were folded or wrapt up. That I distinctly swear. None of them were made up into a rosette or favor. I polled that day, I think, between two or three. I returned to the committee•room after polling at the Town-ball. I found Mr. Roskell there, but I don't think Mr. Horsfall was. I know a person named Charles Kaye. I saw him on the Sunday before the election. Mr. PAGET : Did he say anything about his vote Objected to by Mr. M. SMITH, on the ground that Kaye was not one of the parties named in the list. Witness recalled : I asked Kayo for his vote, and I asked a good many others to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. They all seemed to be on that side. I went to canvass, but I was not a regular man : I was only for the day. The two days before I took no part in the election at all. Very likely I did tell those parties (Horsfall and the others), that I had been canvassing. They both were present, Mr. Horsfall and Mr. Roskell, when I told them. Mr. PAGET : What did you say to them about having seen Kaye ? Question objected to ; upon which Mr. PAGET stated, that he proposed to show that, under the direction of Roskell and Horsfall, the witness bribed the voter Kaye—testimony which would not in volve the members, until the two parties, Horsfall and Roskell, had been connected with the sitting members as their recognised agents. He proposed simply to show that the witness Allanson had been agent for the commis sion of bribery of the two gentlemen named, Messrs. Roskell and Horsfall. Witness recalled : After I saw Kaye I saw Rock°ll and Horsfall. Neither of those gentlemen gave me any direc tion at that time. Mr. PAGET—Did either of those gentlemen say any thing to you about Kaye at that time. Question objected to by Mr. M. Smith, and witness again withdrawn, Objection over-ruled. Witness recalled: Kaye had voted, I saw him. After the conversation with Horsfall and Roskell, I saw Kaye. I think he had voted then, for we had a glass of ale together. (Laughter.) I did not see him poll. I was at the Liver Inn during: the day. Kaye was there with me during the day. I was there in the afternoon of the elec tion day with him, between the hours of three and four. The Liver Inn is about two minutes walk from the com mittee room. lam not aware that there was any com mittee-room at the Liver Inn. Besides the ss. 6d. I told you of, I received £lOO out of the Liverpool and London Assurance Society. This was at the election time. I know Mr. Johnson, a solicitor. Mr. PAGET : Nov, did you not from him receive a pound after the time of the election ? Witness : No, sir. Mr. PA GICT : Did you receive that sum about the time of the election ? Witness : No, sir. Mr. PAGET : Nor 10s., nor any other sum ? Witness : Never. Mr. PAGET : Did you ever say to any person that " they had paid you - well for what you done for them." Witness : I swear that I never did. Examination continued : I mean Mr. Johnson, the so licitor, of Castle-street, when I say Mr. Johnson. I never did say to Mr. Johnson that I would do nothing for the election, or in connexion with it. if I were not paid for it first. I never said to any one that I had re ceived money wrapped up in ribbon. By Mr. SMITH : The ribbons were merely passed to me under the counter, and I distributed them, giving them to any one who asked for them. Mr. M. SMITH : What dreadful things these ribbons must have been ? By Mr. SMITH : In addition to the gentlemen whom I mentioned as having seen at the committee.room, there were were many others present who appeared to take an interest in the election. By the CHAIRMAN : Some of the ribbons given me were wrapped up, and others were not. There appeared to me to be no difference between them. Mullington Walthew, examined by Mr. BODKIN, swore : I live at No. 2, Talfourd-street, Liverpool, and I was engaged at the last Liverpool election by the committee for conducting the election of Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I was engaged by Mr. Buckmaster. I was first engaged in the month of April—to be generally useful. I was to be paid ss. a day. I was not introduced to Mr. Buckmaster by any person. I knew Mr. Peacock, but I had not spoken to him on the subject. I saw Mr. Buck master at the Constitutional Association. I was first employed in Everton, from which the requisition first came. The committee room was at Halliday's, the Ever ton Coffee-house. 1 was sent there by Mr. Buckmaster, ' and that was the place of my business at first. I had to go up to that ward to get requisitionists to sign. I did not bring back my sheets to the room in John-street. I gave my sheets to another person who pursued the same kind of employment. I went back to the rooms in John-street, where I saw Mr. Buckmaster, and I informed him of what I had done in Everton. I was then sent for to go into Scotland-ward, still with the re quisition. I was directed both by Mr. Peacock and Mr. Buckmaster. I went to Mr. Blundell's, in Scotland-ward. There were no gentlemen meeting there when I went ; but in the course of three weeks I saw the gentlemen there. They had a secretary, Mr. Clegg. I have heard that he is in the employ of Mr. Horsfall, and I have seen him in Mr. Horsf'sll's office. He is a clerk, I believe. Besides him, there were several other persons, all at the desk. He is Mr. Horsfall, of the firm of Horsfall and Son. I was employed in Scotland ward for about five or six weeks. I was there with the requisition first, and afterwards with the canvassers. The requisition did not take long—say about five or six days. Mr. Clegg commenced to act as the Secretary of the com mittee. Mr. Thomas Dover was the chairman of the ward, and Mr. Waterston was deputy chairman. Mr. Burroughs was a member of the committee, and also Mr. Bowers and Mr. Taylor. Mr. Horsfall was not on the committee. Mr. Blundell was upon the committee ; he kept the house. Mr. Richard Briscoe was one. There were two persons named Sefton on the committee. I remember Joseph Healing ; he was on the committee. They met to receive the reports of the canvassers, and those reports were entered in what we called ward books. This continued for about a month ; Mr. Clegg, at the conclusion of that time, said there was no further need for my services there, and sent me to the central committee. That took place about three weeks before the election. During the time I was so employed I was chiefly at Mr. Blundell's—at least part of the day. 1 went early in the morning, and looked in now and again. I canvassed, and reported, as the other canvassers did, the result of my work. While the committee h e ld th e i r meetings of an evening Mr. Clegg wrote the names in the ward book. During the time I was employed I was at Blundell's every evening, but notallday. Duringthe month I was sent from the committee to the central committee once or twice. When we wanted more stationery I went to the central committee-room to get it. Mr.Buckmaster told me to get it. I never took a return of the canvas to the cen tral committee-room. Mr. Clegg was the person to do so, but I never saw him do it. I made a return to him at an office in John-street—not the central office. He did not tell me what the returns were for. When I gave Mr. Clegg the returns I thought he brought them to the central committee. I did not hear Mr. Clegg receive any instructions to take them there. The returns were made out once a week. I was employed at the central com mittee for three weeks before the election. 1 canvassed the out-voters for two or three days, by the directions of Mr. Buckmaster. I was employed in the lower room, and then in the upper room, for the rest of the time. My duty was to copy any papers I got. The papers I copied had nothing to do with the canvas. I sometimes delivered notes summoning committees. There was a general central committee. I assisted in summoning them. [Sum mons put into the hands of witness.] The summonses had engraved heads. That is the same engraving as the one at the head of this note ; and I filled up such notes. There was a Finance Committee, and I assisted in filling up many of the summonses. Ido not recollect the names of the other committees. There was, I think, a Car Com mittee ; and I rather think there was a Music or Band Committee. The Car, as well as the Finance Committee met at the Central Committee-rooms. This was at the period I was emoloyed down stairs. When I was subse quently removed up stairs it became my duty to make out lists of .the voters. I can't say there was a general re cord of the canvass kept at the Central Committee-room. I was in the habit of separating the voters into wards from the general list. They were afterwards put on boards, but I deli% know what was done with them. I saw none of the boards, however, at the Ward Committees. I ne ver saw either of the sitting members at the Central Committee-room whilst I was employed there. I went there in the morning. at nine o'clock. I remained in the :upper . room 'until seven o'clock. I did not sit in the com mittee-room while I was below stairs. Neither did I ever see a doorkeeper. After this a note came, and I was sent to Scotland Ward, to Mr. Pyecroft's, the landlord of the Wheatsheaf Inn. Mr. Watson was there when I went. Mr. Buckmaster sent me to Scotland Ward to attend to the note. He gave me the note; but 1 must have de stroyed it ; and I have it not now. The note was to the effect, that Mr. Buckmaster should send me up ; and, in accordance with the request, he did so. A great many of the members of the committee were the same as attended at the public-house occupied by Blundell. The de puty-chairman was Mr. Watson. I remained at the Wheatsheaf till the day of the election, and then I went to Mr. Anthony's, who lives in Great Homer-street. I went there before I went to the central rooms ; but I was only employed for one night. I also went to Mr. Robert Well's, at the corner of Bevington-hill. I was also at Kelly's, of Chadwick-street, at the corner of Love-lane, for one night. Mr. Watson, the deputy-chairman, attended every one of. the meetings at that place of assemblage, and the business of the election was carried on there. There were no placards outside these houses which I have named. Yes, there were placards with " Mackenzie and Turner's committee room" on them, outside of Blundell's, Pyecroft's, and the central com mittee rooms. I have known Mr. Watson to say he was going down to the central committee rooms. I have seen him leave the ward committee then. I made my own account and expenses for this ward out, I drew Mr. Blundell an account out once for the expense of the room, at his direction. There was a charge also for refreshment for the committee. I was the only paid servant there. I made my account out on a Friday night to the end of the week. Mr. Blundell's was made out in the same way. I delivered my account to Mr. Clegg, and sometimes Mr. Watson took it down to the central office to get it paid. Mr. Watson paid me on one or two occasions, but Arr. Clegg has also paid me. I did not see them take my account to the central office. I remember the last occasion upon which I received money for my services rendered in the Scotland ward ; I was paid by Mr. Buckmaster : it was 1 only for a fourth of a week. I went to the centre committee rooms to be paid. I can't recollect whether any one was present. It was after the ;lolling, I was told I must go to the central office by Mr. atson. I know of no demand of Mr. Blundell s being paid there after the election. I can't say that the finance committee sat generally on a Saturday. I have seen Mr. Wntson at the central rooms on a Saturday t after the finance commit- tee had first sat. I never saw him take away m oney. / saw him go into the room and come out. I never saw him pay anything there. I remember that a person of the name of Briscoe was engaged at the central committee room. I saw a couple of men whom I knew to be letter carriers at Pyecroft's, but I did n o t see any letters with them. They went into the front committee room. I was on the otaira all the time they were in. I went into the room in their company, but I did not remain for a minute. I left them in the room with Mr. Clegg and a nephew of my own. Mr. Clegg told me to take care of the door, and not to admit any person. He told my nephew he was to call over the names of the electors with the post men. I heard him do so, but I did not assist in examining any letters before I left the place. Mr. Healing was in the room at the time; he passed me and went in whilst I was watching at the door. I tried to prevent him going in, but he told me he was one of the committee, and therefore insisted upon being admitted. They were together in the room for about a quarter of an hour. Another person was to take charge of the door, and I was to go into another room. This was a Monday evening. They were there in the morning. I examined a few of the letters in the evening. I had not the letters in my possession, T called over the names. The postman had a bundle of letters, and he called the names of the parties to whom they were addressed ; and during that time I examined the list, told him whether they were voters or not. Mr. Clegg was not present. There were only the postman and myself present. Mr. Clegg directed me to do this. The postman marked some of the letters with pencil. I told the postman, when he mentioned a name, that he was or was not a voter, according to the fact ; and, therefore. if he was a voter, the letter was marked with the pencil. I was to say which side the party was to vote for: the postman marked according to what I said. I could not see what the marks were; he put a cross on those who were for Cardwell and Ewart. In Scotland Ward there was a ward committee before the election, but we sent very seldom. When the parliamentary con test was commenced there were persons on the committee who were not on the municipal committee. Parties are not the same for parliamentary as for municipal elections ; the municipal elections are not looked upon as political. I can't say whether the central committee was the same, or whether the numbers were increased. I saw, among others, Mr. Edmund Molyneux, Mr. W. B. Jones, and Mr. Jonas Gleave, at the Central Committee-rooms. I saw Jones there once or twice. I cannot undertake to say who went there most frequently. I have seen Mr. William Rowett more than once, and Mr. L. Peel more than once. I have seen Mr. Thomas Bold more than once. Mr. J. S. Leigh I saw once there. Mr. N. D. Bold I saw once there ; Mr. Peacock more than once, and also Mr. H. Bremner. Mr. Moss, the banker—l saw him once there. Mr. Robert Woodward, Mr. A. Henderson, Mr. E. G. Deane, Mr. G. H. Hors fall, Mr. J. A. Tobin, Mr. William Fisher, of Redcross street, Mr. Thomas Inman, Mr. P. B. Drinkwater, Mr. Nicholson, Mr. Hatch, Mr. J. B. Cooper, Mr. Watson, and Mr. Clegg, I have also seen there. I did not see Mr. Wm. Lowe, Mr. Thos. Harrison, or Mr. Win. Nicholson there. A Mr. Nicholson I did see there. I have seen the persons named already go into the room while the committee was sitting, and come out afterwards. I know a Mr. Thos. Williams, secretary to the Vauxhall Ward. He was in the ward as canvasser, and T don't know he did not act as secretary. I can't say that Mr. Williams is the collector to the Conservative Association, but he has some situation there. 1 never saw Williams pay or receive money. The Vauxhall Ward Committee met in a public-house in Great Howard-street, kept by Sylvester Matheson. I never saw a placard outside that house. I never saw the committee of Vauxhall ward at that house. I never received any money myself at Moss's bank. I don't recollect that Mr. Buckmaster received any. I never heard Mr. Bremner say anything to Mr. Buckmaster about wanting money. I do not recollect seeing Mackenzie or Turner at the central committee room : I have seen them in St. John's Market with Jones Gleave. I did not see Mr. Peacock there. Examined by Mr. RODWELL : The time I saw the can didates in the market-place there was a crowd after them. Besides those I have named, as having been present at the central committee-room, there were many others. I was formerly collector for the Conservative Association, and many of those gentlemen whom I named were members of the Conservative Association, and their room was given at election times to the party. These gentlemen often did not stay more than two or five minutes. Many were there who were not. members of the Conservative Association. I know notices of com mittee meetings were given to me to be filled up. I should say those summonses werefor the s eeneral commitee. Those gentlemen were the persons whom I sometimes saw drop into these rooms. I never saw anything further than the date at the top, and the circulars. As to the letter-carriers, the names were Adler and James Graham. They came in sometimes to get the number of the houses. I never gave them the number of the houses. What I did with the postman lasted for about two minutes. I saw him mark about two. The number of names I called over might be twelve. I believe Adler and Graham are here. Another man who was in charge of another room was present, and also my nephew. Mr. Healing, a pawnbroker, was like wise present. Whatever was done in the room, Clegg was not there. Clegg just came into the room, and then went out again. Only one of the postmen that I saw marked the letters. Graham was the man who called ' over to me the direction of the letters. I went to Wat son, and got the employment from him—at least he sent me to the Constitutional Association. I took the papers to his private house. He has been since, I believe, a clerk for Horsfall, and he was not there during the election. If I said so, I stated what was wrong. By Mr. BODKIN : I did not see the postmen come into the house. I showed them into the room. I had seen them there in the morning. Clegg said I was to go and attend to those men—to call over the letters with them. Two or three of them were employed. By Mr. FRESHFIELD: When I filled up the notices I did not know whether they were summonses for the gene ral or any other committee. By the CHAIRMAN : I should say parties not members of the committee-room would have been freely admitted to the committee-room at any time. William Walthew (examined by Mr. PAGET) deposed that he was a nephew of the last witness. I was engaged by the chairman of the Vauxhall Ward to assist my uncle at the election. I was employed at Pyecroft's. but I was employed at no other place. My business was confined to the Wheat Sheaf. I was employed about four or five days. I was there a few mornings previous to the elec tion. I recollect the postman coming into the room ; that was on the day previous to the nomination—on the Mon day. It was between nine and eleven o'clock. and I was in the committee-room at the time he came. One man brought the letters in. When the postman came in, I had to refer to the ward-book. Mr. Clegg desired me to refer to it. He did not tell me for what purpose it wilt to be done. The postman looked at the letters. I think at that time there was no one present but the postman ,Mr. Clegg, and myself. The postman produced the letters, and called out the names, and a cross was marked on some of them. We were to see in the ward-book whether the name were " for," or " against," or " doubtful." Just as I called out, he marked them. Those at which I said " for" were not marked at all. Accordingly as I called out "doubtful," or "for," or " against," he marked or did not mark the letters. I recollected the same afternoon the postman coming again. There was a committee meeting ; the members were addressing the voters between six and eight. Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner were addressing them at Mr. Pyecroft's, in another room. At that time there was not a meeting of the committee. I recollect at that time the postman coming with the afternoon delivery, he came to the com mittee-room on the left. Two men came with the let ters. Only myself and two postmen were present in the room. When the postman came into the room i the evening I was not aware that they were coming were ushered in while I was alone, and the door was locked by some person in the inside. The same tran spired again that had occurred in the morning, the letters being marked in the same manner. Mr. Healing, one of the committee, came in with two other parties whom I did not know, and remained about five or ten minutes. The postmen had drink—one of ale and one of spirits. I ordered it, Clegg having directed me to call for some thing to drink. I might know some of the names on those letters if they were mentioned to me—not other wise. I recollect the name of " William Stamp." lam sure of it. I know Stamp personally. He is an ac quaintance of mine. This examination of the letters took place on the evening previous to the nomination day. I did not touch one of the letters. I could not tell whe ther they contained cards or not. Cross-examined : We might call over thirty letters in the morning, and perhaps a hundred in the evening. I can't tell how many were marked : I don't recollect those that were " for " were not marked ; those " against " or " doubtful" were both marked. I did not recollect the name of Stamp until it was suggested to me. I did not see any of the addresses read out to me. The letters were not confined to me in my ward, and I had to refer to other than the mere ward lists. Stamp was against us: I knew at the time this man was down on the printed list to which I referred. Stamp was not on the ward list. I knew Stamp was against us directly the name was called by the postman. All the letters were taken away. I did not know the calling over was to take place that afternoon ; it took me by surprise. When they were ushered in, I knew what to do. I had been told before, but did not know at what moment they might make their appearance. I did not know in the morning. My uncle was there, but I don't know for how long. He was there half an hour, I should think. I can't tell exactly, however. Ho was writing there for a short time while the letters were being called over. Two voters came in, and we left off reading the letters. Whilst Healine- was there, we also left off reading. lam now a book-keeper, and in the employ ment of Mr. M'Gregor. By the CHAIRMAN : I should think seven out of nine of the letters were marked. By Mr. BALL: While Healing and the two others were, in the letters were put upon a table. The Committee broke up at a quarter to four, Mr. Bodkin stating his intention to re-examine the witness. The Committee meets this day, (Tuesday,) at eleven o'clock. ----- The following is the supplemental list of persons al leged to have been bribed, and by whom alleged to have been bribed : BY WHOM. Jonas Gleave, Edward Smith, John Buck Lloyd, Ed ward Williams, Solomon W. May, Wm. Musker, Thos. Ridin g , Thos. Swettenham, Win. Law ton, William Smith, George Sandford Russell, Jas. Ather— ton, and John Henry Francis Curchod. The same The same The same Willian: Abrapain, Thomas Postletl:waite, Robert Birtles, Booth, Jolir Chatterton, Coulson, Henry, j Dickenson, Peter .... Fletcher, Edwd. Peml Foy, Thomas Samuel... Thomas, THE PRINCESS Rol - AL. —According to a rumour in circulation at Vienna, Prince William Frederick of Prus sia, the King's nephew and presumptive heir, is soon to be affianced to Psincess Victoria of Engirnd. The tender age of the Priess (13 next November) renders this some-