Northern Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-11-11 00:00:00

WOVEMBER 11, TOWN 'COUNCIL Mr. SH3I4. moved 'that The committee should confine ''themselves for the next year exclusively to the improve ment ,of the borough.; and he . stated his reasons for. I N YEST E R D AY. . doino-sowas, first, that the proposed proceedings of th e e /N em adjourned meeting of the Council was held - committee would producene benefit, but, on the contrary, NV, in the Corrncil-chamber at the Town-hall. must be a waste of the publicion They had those y. they da p, (T. D. Anderson, Esq.)-presided. meetings, and then for some months had no meet- Al/lad„ R. GLADSTONE AND THE ALDERMEN. ings at' all. At the 'first meeting the borough engineer was ordered to prepare plans, and those plans were sub ke,,,,,,vrinaii PARKER. said—Mr. Mayor, before the corn sequen ytl laid before them. Now, these plans were eoli th, 'lllent of the proceedinn to-day, I beg leave to call att er , • dto two boulevards, one running on the one side, and Necon attention of yourself ancethe Council, sir, to an attack fi ned other upon the'other side of Newsham-house, and on u pon absent men in this room yesterday. tack the ground he 'objected to them. But he had much piFaation, and cries of " No, no.") Bat I say " Yes, -' stronger reasons of objection to those outside roads toil sir. (Cries of " No," and " Yes.l If lam t li ! ! and if I am not at liberty to defend my character be •and 'which he believed to impracticable inexpedient, and of no benefit whatever, even if they were carried l i nt such attacks, the Mayor will put me right. out ; and he did not think they could. On looking at 0' J EPPER Y I th is • Ne e f ._ s in order, Mr. Mayor,in the ab- the town, and he appealed to any man acquainted with „0 air. Gladstone ? the town, , that it was in a most deplorable state in every Ik errnitu COOPER—It was in the absence of the ' point of view, Whetthey , Whether regarded it in the morality th, 110 11 that Mr. Gladstone did not scruple to make tt,, 7 •of the people, their comfort, or their health, it would ) ( I cc (Hear, h ) . ear. • Jt be seen that there was an - amount of evil to remove kt art, PP ERY—Pardon me, sir. The gentlemen were which it was their bounden duty to have removed, at oerreen then. (Cries of order.) t'aß ' ue rrilan any expense. While that was starlit.- them in the face, , e , 11 ., PARKER—I wish to draw attention to a he could not see why they were to go b two or three miles 'N ay. u. Cowardly attack made on' the aldermen yes- out of the town to construct roads which could be AL k of no use whatever, as it could not be expected be d th TO R — Allow me to say that I was very sorry that working people, who were engaged in work -I.lltio_ at Air.*Gladstone indulged in the personal ob- in.. or looking for work, should occupy a number t 'tw aii hone that he did yesterday—(hear, hear,)—but as S'' of hours each day in going to these boulevards. But to 541 the first speech that was made after I entered this the boulevardsthemselves, they would first t r as at a . come to t Ee di se yor , and as I was anxioui not to interrupt to buy the land,, and then lay out a great deal of money 2'aula7, l ° ll , I did not , say anything. (Hear, hear.) in making the roads. Then be would ask, where were 7 t,, d 7 Alderman Parker, as Mr. Gladstone is not they to get the money ? and of course, Mr. Earle would ')lir e 0 ,2 L if lie would, 'at any , rate, postpone tea say, out of the pockets of the people. He had no 41 der t11 7 1 °n. any remarks that he wishes to make. •• obeckon to gentlemen putting their hands into their ktve me ~ 4 P ARKER —Well, Mr. Mayor, if you will pockets for such a purpose, but he stood up , 1 8 , i i n aPPortunity at another time, when we meet there to save the pockets of those who had nothing attv all be very glad to defer to your suggestion. to spare beyond the absolute necessaries of life. 1. 4 4 1 , ‘, u K was an unmanly and cowardly one. SetiL—sir, I hope this Council will not be He appealed . to on any e genatiteLnalotnomn Committee, or r Va a t n e y h . t,')., by you to anything of the kind. It would be m o e m gi m st i rat e e e, wt r o was a member o'' the Council, when N i 7ligly undesirable if you allowed anything of this they considered the number of poor people who were 4 041' . Pass to-day, and then be brought up for discos- brought up for the non-payment of rates, was it not a ,if4lereafter. hard case to ask them for money for what they could Aiierraan PARKER--It rests with the Mayor. not pay, and he thought they ought not, under any eir %o enu an s done t, AMUEL HoLun—Sir, I fancy I shall be cumstances, to levy a rate on them for anything except 40 Parties included la the remarks made by- Mr. of absolute necessity, and for the benefit of the people, k ~,•_ Yesterday ; but I wish distinctly to say that, which was not the case with those boulevards. He l ie 41 : ( ? taking part in public affairs, unless an attack ' , would direct attention to, the houses of the poor, in order 8,4, 1 e 1i 01a my moral character, or personal honesty, ' to throw light upon their habits, so that the poor might itkk th a t °t deem it necessary to take notice, of any- improve by observation. He would open the streets as A . 't i ,:was said of me. (Hear, hear.) I dare say, ' far as he could, so that the poor might be in the position 41)a .iladstone spoke under excited • feelings,' and of those who were better off. He would obtain for .them 'L Nvoald have been more courteous if he had tsok ea hi s c , . the enjoyment of fresh air, and for that purpose they 4, t ; but 4 r-marks 'until the gentlemen came into the had the landing-stages and the marine parade—a place I, disi 4 ,,,, 'he thing has been passed over, and I would il l , er r of recreation such as no seaport in the world had. The 5f fillr e , emarks - which, . if, unjust and ungenerous, th e t Ict low irom personal experience, marine parade presented a beautiful and diversified view. and as we must all They had a fine river with a view of the opposite shore, k ' thy' 40 more injury to the gentlemen uttering eret e with a scene always varying ; and that, they wished to k m sp o k t the gentlemen against whom the remarks pass over, and go on with a vague scheme that was Clads toe,' (Hear, hear.) I shall not take any worth' nothing. He had shown to them that their ki ti 4 ; 0.. 0 of them, but if attacks are made by Mr.- boulevards could not be made without expense, and th rl ks 44 1 by anybody else in this room, which are many other things objectionable; and he had shown to k e kon ie ' Imjust, I shall reply to them on the spur them that 'they could secure fresh air for the Oth. ,/, but, and so let the matter pass. (Hear, hear.) people, and recreation •for the people, and he Al‘•".• Jes tti S zid Pmx—Sir, that speech is most adroitly thought he had shown that the attention of the Im- I shall now claim my right to follow provement Committee should be . confined to opera- N er lolm.e. The gentlemen yesterday were tions to be carried on within the borough of Liverpool. Yet, mem bers of this Council, but were cancli7 He concluded by again moving that foregoing motion. . 44 trit a :, 4er luanic seats for the next six years. Mr. Aldermen COOPER seconded it, and observed that " -DovEn,—This is quite out of order Mr. he did so became he felt that the committee were not justified in laying out money to the extent proposed in boulevards. There was neequestion that it would take a great length of time. The Newsham House estate was now lying dormant, and they had been told that they could not go on with the matter, for the Council had come to a-determination to do nothing until they received the report of the committee ; but if that were the case, how long was that property to lie dormant. He had spent a' good deal of his time amongst the lower classes of this town, and he was quite sure Mr. Sheil was right in bringing their case before the Council in the manner he had done. He had great pleasure in seconding Mr. Sheil's motion. Mr. EARLE thought the discussion was,premature, and if brought forward at all, it should have been brought.. forward when the committee was appointed, and he was sure the committee would have given every attention to what Mr. , Shell mentioned. He quite agreed with Mr. Shell's remark, that there was a great deal to be done, but he did not agree with him when he said they had plenty of time to deal with the outside of Liver pool. The committee had thought it was very desirable that the outskirts should not get into the' same state as the borough had got - into ; ancl they were well aware there was land which could now be got at a reasonable price, which if let stand until it was built upon they should have to pay for the buildings being taken down. With regard to what Mr. Cooper had said, he was seconding what was altogether opposed to 'what he was most anxious to effect' :The question of the boulevards had been taken into consideration by the whole town and not by the committee only. Then with 'regard to the pierhead, Mr. Sheil 'had spoken of them being places, of recreation, but he knew that • very few would go there on account of the danger they had to encounter to get to them. Then, as to the 'morality 'of the town, he believed Mr. 'Shell belonged to the Health Committee, and he would advise him to look after the lodging houses, and see that they were properly registered and inspected, and that those who did not attend to the regulations 'were brought before the magistrates, and punished for their neglect. A great many of the inhabitants were Mr. Sheil's own °R—lmust stop this discussion. (Hear bear). 11,3 t—If you ple ase , I will stand upon my A . 1% 4(lurcss the C ounc il . (L ou d cr i es of " order. " ) Ayon.---.I have a ll owe d you to go far enough, e 441 10t permit th • is debate to proceed any longer. 4 41 'EltY — Why sir ; your own remar k s .were horde t he absence of Mr. Gladstone, and—(Loud cries and " ") LIITINGS'rONE— /ise to a hII order. at 8 , —I must st o p thi s di scuss i on, an d i n 'ke 04 the Council w ill, p er h aps , a ll ow me to 11 'lll tha t obse rvat i on, and to express an earnest ugh t the gentlemen in this. Council will ,abstain asf possible from personal allusions 9r per 11011i k ly the attention of a speaker to that fac+ th• Personalities - 4111' to the good ft fit ti, l t efrain from all personalities. r bt,s time Mr. R o b er t son Gl a d stone a . • th e Mayor :.You have allowed remarks oh ne f „ a P se nce of Mr. Gladstone, and I ask, (Gre a t '" l thess. to be allowed th follow Mr. h 3—f",', fj?fuair sion. i , I ask that all sides may my,right to be heard now. (Loud '‘lr. Mayor, this is mos+ (Cries of" chair.") inlo•orl in g of the Conn( that mem tr7. hear.) red the Zetiedrrnato business. 4eri l 11 Kitztß—lir. Gladstone is now present, l a i Ps you will allow me to go on. b ltzi kY°ll-- Gentlemen we will proceed to ,the 8 bef ore the Council--which is the'election of the must discontinue debate, and ' ll--=- IVell but Mr. Mayor, I want to ask 1 You said the matter should stand over to' Mr. Gladstone should be present 0 be brought forward on anothe] wh kalcolt—We must Ye It Ur ) altogi her. (Hear, E the l‘rt'l'l n dr Mr. Mayor country peo, e, whc were not very n e at horn they had comeehere to aught better CORRECTION COMMITTEE. 3 4 % 7 1 1 J. H. Tu nzrin moved the following geno2,- ~tk t I t 0 Gaol and House of Correction Committee.. Llt4lll 114 4/°/', Messrs. J o h n S tewart, J o h n H . T urner, ),'l4, „9 1 adstone Samuel Holme, Charles Turner, I;;lty, o hin James Holme, William Ea r le, J ames k.ip;obe Obert Hutchison, Richard Sheil, James qz• Houghton,. Ge orge H. H ors f a ll , James '311 4 1u Chilton ' John Rogers, Oliver Holden, ernon.—Agreed to. h. 74 I ' I3 WN-HALL ESTABLISHMENT. 144-`q z L TURNER next proposed the following 1 11 0 - ` ) ! committee for the j Town-hall establish- Bramley-Moore, Y. 04 ( ?„ 11, 1 ,i`1-ayor, Messrs. . I f all iklirner, J. H. Turner, J. A. Tobin, R. 1, 4 1 1 , 1 -- A tt s t • Littledale, Joseph Cooper, and G. H. k k ,ir °lfs I ° , l to. .1,40 1 5 -11 MA RE; AND MVSETIM COMMITTEE. th . "tie d the following gentle v." e° )(yin' move :—Messrs. J. A. Piston, R. M. 4tie zi lam Earle, J. Steains, Joseph -Kitchen, ."i l' e. T. Bowring, C. J. Corbally, R. C. ison, T. B. Job, D. Rae, and William tse q WATER COMMITTEE. VI t on 8 0N proposed that the followingsg.ewntluLe \\Ott 1 ,. the Water Committee r gentle \\O "draft' J. -Wagstaff, John F wort n h,, 11'11,,,e'r1.,N11. Jeffery, Jas. C ellin Thos. Verno ivavid Rae, J. C. L r iviniston, and H. C. t4 t Z. 44Bpp A.T us COMMITTEE. N IL 1 !1 til 1,4 - ls co moved'tt that tke following gentle- James Parker, W. P. e e• Greaves, ;in. Barton, Joseph Crellin, 3" ' T hos Robinson, David "Rae,quid J. H. q tr ktr eed to 41 J tI VN tt e IMPRovEmEN COMMIrrET of thi s 14., 0 1t1 , ,, in nominating the members Sk e kt 0 4 e , ae looked upon the committee as a very Ode tc:41:14),„, There was scarcely a day that they did Oa t i eitZe necessary improvement, and it was im r4 ~N;',t these without certain sums of money. tdl h e 'ua t th ed any argument to lead . any one to c,,81304,18 thing could be done without money, , 41 14.,,• Vilis money was expended the less it "I),' 4 ge, huh respect to the approaches to he 'k it )3 la friend Mr. Turner and his colleagues lilt':44,thtol'ofba°4etrdichandperoapos dso improvement for Is nd e dead m st e ock, but they had ' t4 l ' e tor th live stock, and he hoped, if a bill was datich. 4 44 e j er hot lament, that some - thing would be Passag e to the Pier-head more easy „uonbells, than at present. lie thought the P . 14 1440 d o a good deal as well as the Dock 101.°Pesaii t i''' b r) and he thought they ought to listen 0 11 4 /night be made. He thought it 11-041 Messrs. Hartley prepared some plan, thitlid these (1431 1 ht they could do to advantage, and foolons.idered favourably. He begged to tee .°l94.ing gentlemen form the Inip.rove o' Aiki .----tuiessrs. Bennett, Stewart, Picton, 11 ' told'shed, Steains, Bo wring, ardner, Graves, Mo:ley, Jeffery, and the subject was quite pre- i dEr kn o w what 14_n. Co pßit. Nvislicl to kt t t „ ? 'ceii do the same things, but they manners discussion of mature Mr. Alderman BENNETT said Mn Sheil was a member of the Improvement Committee,.and he had enunciated his views in the committee, where he found himself in the minority. Mr. Cooper had said that their attention should be turned to the Newsham-house estate, but that was beyond the boundary, and, therefore , if Mr. Shell's motion "was carried, that matter could not be gone into. Mr. Sheil had said that they had confined themselves to two boulevards, but he would ask what were they to do? He had also expressed a wish to see the poor of the densely-crowded parts of the town spread .abroad amongst the more respectable inhabitants ; but, before they pulled doian the densely-crowded portions of Liverpool, let them by all means find some propersite for the population to be removed to—let them mark out out a place •for the boulevards, and sites would be found. If they weat to purchase the houses in these crowded places they could not biy them at a fair price, and they would have to pay more for the central improvement as proposed by Mr. Sheil then would pur chase land for the boulevards and build houses for the people. He' therefore hoped Mr. Sheil would withdraw his motion. With regard to the Landing-stages, there would be very little space left, as they would be taken up by the requirements of the commerce of the port. The only plan for a thorough town improvement, was the one which the committee had laid down • and if Mr. Shell's motion passed, their plans would lie useless, and it would be the most discouraoinc , blow that could • be struck on the committee. Mr. SrEwA.RT observed, that if Mr. Bennett had established all he had said, there was no doubt that every one in the room would be . convinced. With reference to Mr. Sheil's motion, if it were carried, there would be some inconvenience. It was contemplated to widen Smithdown-lane, a portion of which was out side the borough ;" and it would be strange to leave that portion unimproved. As to the remarks of Mr, Cooper, the Newsham House estate was the property ,of the Corporation and so far Mr. Cooper was right, that they should improve it. He was not disposed to add one tax, upon another, and he wished them to get rid of one rate before they had another on the top of it. He did _not , at all .agree with Mr.. 'Ben nett. Good wide. roads wouli ,be of very great advantage to Liverpool whether they were formed like the rim of a wheel' or not; but he did not think the proposition was suited for the people of Liverpool. With re g ard to the ‘pierheads, ever y one a d m itt e d th a t there should be better approaches. The Dock Board Were , about to spend a large sum of money for the accommodation of carriages and carts, and he had no' doubt they expected the traffic to be . greatly increased, but he th oug ht th ey were be ;inning at the wrong end. They should have the ap proaches made first, and let the floating accommodation follow. He was sure that a very considerable improve ment could" be made out of the Corporation finance by putting it in a sinking fund for thirty years: If they were prepar,ed, to ,spend £2,000 ,in illuminating the clocks of the town, they could well afford to make more useful i mprovements; b ut i f that were carr i e d out it Would be , neoule. • • found to be a very,,considerable tax on the listened to the Mr. SHELL, after hearing the observations of the various speakers, consented to withdraw the motion. The TOWN-CLERK then read the instructions to the Town Improvement Committee. Mr. GLADSTONE said, before he proceeded to nominate the members of the Court of Passage Committee, he wished to remark that there was some inconvenience felt in consequence of the times at which the court was held. The TOWN-CLERK said he had received a letter from Mr. James on the subject, after he had been furnished with the documents bearing on the matter. The letter was dated St. George's-hall, October 28, 1859, and was as follows : I received whilst on the Continent having heard a single complaint, A you far the papers which I was not aware, never that there was any in- convenience felt in consequence of the times appointed far holding the court for the trial of issues. If such complaint had been made to me direct, I should have given it prompt attention. I have some reason, therefore. to complain of the apparent want of courtesy on the part of the gentlemen con stituting the Law Sbciety. have given directions for having the times of holding my courts, in future, fixed by rule of court, and I trust that such dines will prove as convenient to the attorneys, as I know them to be.to banisters who practice in the court, and to myself. (Signed) ED. JAMES. He wished further to state that Mr. James, at his last sitting, had fixed the times by rule of court to be on the 3rd January, the 7th April, the 2nd August, and the 25th October ; and when these dates fell on Sun day, the court would be held on the following Monday. Mr. GLADSTONE said , such an arrangement would Ibe convenient for the business, and he wished to move that the following gentlemen form the committee, viz., Messrs. Jeffe r y, Stewart, Steams, Clint, Stitt , Avison, Sheil, and Gladstone. The motion was agreed to. The next subject before the Council was the appoint ment of a committee to keep a surveil/once over those who drove cattle within the borough. Mr. ROBERTSON GLADSTONE moved that the follow ing gentlemen be appointed on this committee :—Messrs. S. R. Greaves, Richard Sheil, C. J. Corbally, R. M. Beckwith, and Robertson Gladstone. Agreed to. INCREASED 'MARKETS ACCOMMODATION Alderman WOODRUFF said that this question had been a long time before the Council. In September last the Markets Committee had made a report to the Council on this subject, and it was not until November that the committee sent in to the Council their report. A drawing had been made, and the Council had now before them the report to which he referred. He was not there as a member of that committee to force the 'adoption of the report -on the Council; but he felt it was a duty devolving upon him to have the question fully discussed. The accommodation for those attend ing the markets was altogether too confined, and the approaches to them were anything at all but what they siaould be. In fact, the people themselves visiting. the 'markets had expressed to him their willingness pay for better accommodation. The market altogether unsuited for the demands of the vendors and buyers, and he only wished to have the opinion of the Council upon it, whether it.would be judicious or not to do away with a lot of the shops adjoining, which dealt in the retail trade, and, by i ncrease d accommodation in this way, have an extensive market. The , town-clerk only wanted the sanction of the Council to give him special powers to go to Parliament with ; and he would move that the report of the committee be adopted. Mr. GLADSTONE said the Council was the only party from whom to seek advice. He deprecated bringing a wholesale market so close to the retail market, and he thcnight it would be very unfair. (Hear, hear.) If they wanted to make a wholesale market ; or if parties who came to Queen's-square were dissatisfied, let them go to Great Homer-street, and there the retailers and wholesale dealers would have a fair chance of getting a fair trade. If this were agreed to he would not oppose it. ,s were Tdirrt CLBRX—After the site has been adopted by the Council, and the general orders upon, entered it cannot be changed. Mr. HODSON considered that the Markets Committee would accomplish their object much better if they left a retail market out of the question altogether, and adopted the London system here, in this great town of Liverpool. They had large shops, and wholesale trade might be carried on very well without retail at all. Mr. RID LEY complained that the increased accom modation contemplated had been concocted between Mr. Johnson (the chairman of the Markets Committee) and Mr. Woodruff, without consulting the other mem bers. Mr. S. HOLKE would take Mr. Gladstone's view, of the subject. If a wholesale m ar k e t were erec t e d i n , the middle of the town it would not answer any end. There was a great thoroughfare in the vicinity of Church-street, &e. Shaw-street, Great Homer-street, or Gill-street would be the localiti es b es t suited. Mr. EARLE agreed with all that had been said in regard tallying a wholesale market in the centre of the town. If they required a wholesale market, the Hay market was the place best suited for it, and tr. John son and Mr. Woodruff ought ,to go there. (Laughter.) Mr. CROPPER asked whether there would be time after this Council to'deposit the plans for the next meeting of Parliament. TowN CLEnx—Certainly not. Mr. PRESTON, the ex-Mayor, stated the reaso n th a t Mr. Johnson, the chairman of the Markets ComMittee, was not in the room, arose from his having to leave the Council to see some friends off in the steamer. Alderman WOODRUFF said he did not wish to press the question on the improvements referred to, if they thought that the realisation of income would not justify the expenditure; and if they were of opinion that the report was not acceptable, let them refer it back to the committee.—Agreed to. TILE MAGISTRATES AND THE LAW SOCIETY A short discussion on 'the above subject took place, relative to the Council not paying any attention to a memorial presented some time ago by the Law Society, in respect of having a second stipendiary magistrate ap pointed for Liverpool, in which Messrs. Gladstone, S. Holme, Avison, J. It. Jeffery, and Steains took a part.' The result was, that Ur. AvisoN, as .a member of the profession, said h( y were willing to let ire that le La NORTHERN MILT TIMES. port die motion of Mr. Shell, (Hear, hear.) He was the members of the profession had been treated some clearly of opinion that boulevards were too near the what uncourteously. He was glad to observe such a town already in many respects ; and, in bringing good feeling existed in the Council respecting the society them nearer, would neither enhance the value of referred to. those gentlemen who had property in the town, nor yet Mr. GLADSTONE moved, Mr. HoLiiin seconded, that a of the Corporation. Their forefathers were very near- Special committee be appointed to take the memorial sighted in erecting such buildings, which was apparent into consideration, which was unanimously agreed to. from the small narrow streets that, in a great measure, The committee to consist of the following magistrates now characterised the town of Liverpool. (Hear, hear.) and solicitors .—Messrs. S. Holme, R. Gladstone, J. The builders, too, themsel ves , mus t h ave b een very S tewart, J. R. Jeffery, J. B. Lloyd, T. A v i son , petty ones in those days. If they wanted to make im- Steaks and G. Beloe. provements at all, let them be made by widening the The MAYOR'S communications comprised the follow streets, and let the boulevards stand, until the Council! ing from the Government, on th e su bj ec t o f p os t- o ffi ce decided where they sh ou ld b e erec t e d . (H ear.) ! accommodation in Liverpool : Mr. MOZLEY said the subject now before the Council TO THE MAYOR OF LIVERPOOL was brought on by Mr. Sheil, in his ardour to improve Treasury Chambers, Ist Nov., 1859. the condition of the working classes, so that they might six,---in reply to your letter of the Bth ultim o , \I am com have recreation at least during on e d a y o f th e week. manded by the Lords Commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury He could easily understand Mr. Shell's object in this withoutt o state that furtherit is information n ble fo d rhrvai consideration,ety's Government, arrie a t respect, which was a very philanthropic one ; but he satisfactory decision as to whether the present building may should advise them to follow the practice first of making not be sufficient for the requirements of the Post-office service improvements to extend the health of the town, and not for m any years to come at Liverpo:ol. I am further to state that, even if the Government were in travel out of it to bring in boulevards. He was opposed a condition to decide in favour of a change of site, it would be to Mr. Shell's views on this point of improvements, impossible for them to consent to the price demanded for the Mr. C. TURNER said he, as the Chairman of the Dock land in Dale-street, inasmuch as they are advised that it i Board, wished to say that it had been thought desirable i eolt d isi b d e e y r a a n ba e ey p o r y e d e the ft market value of the 0 t which an eligible site ii. that they should have improved communication between be obtained elsewhere. their property on this and the other side of the water, With reference to this point, and to the resolution of the and it was found that it would entail an expense o Town con= l u ei t l iOn wh o i u e l l o s P:l e i s e £20,000. It was the more necessary that they should io n :A l'un hey ds i t us iVi e l:?e li r n a e nc t4 e :r i t e erection of a new post-office, my lords think it right, for the come to some conclusion in the matter, before the works, information of the Town Council, to enclose a copy of a minute were completed. They had a conversation with the vhi s e t h ai t h re ti c l o o ntl T been l made by their ie lordships with the view Council on the subject, who took the view that they to t proceed, e for principle, T . u p tu e re u , p ir the w erection of Government ought thought most consistent with the interest of the town, and it will be for the Town Council to judge whether, havinf but there was no doubt on his own mind that new regard to the principles thus laid down, the present negoti' approaches would be of great benefit to the town, and any tien j a a d u v s a t n b te be ° considered e nt as terminated, or wheth er rf - of advantage to the Me rse y B oar d . Mr. STITT did not think that Mr. Shell had over coloured the depravity and unwholesome state of some parts of the town, and the depth of poverty in which The First Lord and the Ch.ancellor of the Excheq uer s t a t e t c many of the poorer clas ses exis t e d , more particularly as the st i!nal r f s h e a r t s t t h h e e y ha o ve .n bro d u gh a t d under the notice of her i regarded want of recreation, and having suitable places Era wherein to recreate themselves. (Hear, hear.) There je st s Zh " e post-office g f r o;;le g ere em elio n n o7rro n v t in e e provincial revenue e d . erived were two ways by which the evil should be met, It appears that, although the gross revenue from the post both directly and indirectly. First, carry out im- office is in a state of progressive increase, the nett receipi -- provements in the to wn; an d then, as a matter of I have for a series of yeses a ,h-‘, .-- - - course, the indirect wonld follow. With respect to Newsham House estate, there was no doubt whatever but parks might be made there, or some similar places where the people could recreate themselves; but they should first have the Newshana House estate secured to them, and then buildings would follow. No doubt, the poor of Liverpool felt the want of recreation. Now, there were fifty acres of the Newsham. House estate. Mr. Stitt then went on at some length to state that the matter should be left in the hands of the Finance Committee; and after supporting the claims of the labouring classes, he advised Mr. Shell to withdraw his motion. n question, t probably —I am, sir, your obedient serval] MIIVUTE.I MANCHESTER 'AND LIVERPOOL POST-OFFICES, NOVEMBER lsr, 1859. tion, and may be viewed as nearly In 1853 the nett postal revenue, excluding mail packet service, was £1,184,000. In 1858-9, altho,, gross revenue had increased by £587,000, the nett revenue only £1,280,000; and even upon this increase it must be re membered that in 1853 a revenueof £412,000 was deriv stamps on newspapers, and in 1858-9 only £145,000. ._ first period all postal service in the transmission of newspape was paid for by the stamp ; whereas, in the la ' " one, new papers are extensively sent under postage revenue of 1853 ought, therefore, for the purpose of . comparison, to be credited with a sum on account of that r of the postal service in transmission of • - then, but is not now (so far gratuitously discharged. Moreover, if the cost of the mail packet sue_by the lait estimate, t0 . L991,596, be taken into is that department amount the poit-, s. thus ci is to a great extent 'a legitimate charge which is credited with the receipts from let veyed, it wi I be found not only that there has been no incl.( of nett income in the last seven VPSI/42 +h.+ and that Lt increase of e c invert this margin into a po4tive.lo.: system, -ould suffice t It appears that - a new post ffice bL;ecently been authorised in Edinburgh at a cost of .00,000---viz., about £45,000 for the site, and a similar sum for the building. Edinburgh, as the metropolis of Scotland, may be thought to constitute an exception; but partly, perhaps, in connection with the erection of the new post-office in that city, and partly from other causes, demands or proposals have come forward from other great cities or towns, contemplating the outlay of very large sums for the erection of local pest-office From the town of Live' - Majesty's Government site in I the , recently-acquired property of the Corpo.. tasmo, as a site for a new post-office. This mended on the ground of its convenience for postal service and to the local community. The situation of the post-office in Liverpool is more than local importance, on account of the great ti service which is performed there. It is also to be observed, in the case of Liverpool, that the town made a contribution towards the erection of the present post-office, which remains the property of her Majesty's Go vernment. In, at a o te is recom- On the other hand, the need for a new post-office in Liser pool is prospective rather than immediate; and the Govern ment arc advised that if a change of site become neces sary hereafter, there is no reason to apprehend any par ticular difficulty in getting a suitable site for a less sum than is now asked. In Manchester the present post-office is.insufficient for the purposes of the service. A ne w s it e h as b een acqu i red at a cost rp of X 19,000, and is' considered by the department to be entirely adequate to those purposes. But the inhabitants of the city have proposed that her Majesty's Government should abandon, that is to say, re-sell the site they have acquired, and purchaso another site in more immediate proximity to the ce.ntre of. business. The price per yard of the site in John Dalton-street, which they possess, was about £8 7s. ; that of the proposed one would be, according to different valuations, from £l9 Is. to £l5 ss. per square yarb. In the month of M'rch, 1859, the late Board of Treasury was willing, as it appears from the records, to meet the views of .the community of Manchester upon condition that the city should itself undertake a portion of the operation, which would leave to her Majesty's Govern ment, first the responsibility of p ar ti ng w ith t h e s i te recently acquired ; and secondly, an outlay, at the lowest estimate, of £55,000, £15,000 of which might be recovered by the applica tion of a portion of the _ground to remunerative purposes. ' This was an offer to purchase a site at a maximum cos: of £65,000, computed to be reducible to £55,000, on certain con ditions to be performed by the city; and, further, to a nett sum of £40,000, in certain estimates , were realised of the return to be obtained by building on a portion of the ground. The offer was made on the 6th April, 1859. The conditions on which it was made have not been complied with ; but on the Ist of October a letter was addressed to Mr. Ogden, secre tary to the Post-office Site Committee; to the Chancellor of the Exchequer, tendering a new proposal for the approval of my lords, viz.,---that a .guarantee should be given for the re-purchase of 762 yards of the spare land included ix the dotal purchase by the Government, required for improving .f' approaches. at the price of £lO,OOO. My lords have been most unwilling to disappoint - tation which, might have been_ legitimately - Manchester in consequence of the Tetter of 6th April, written ey order of the Lords Commissioners of the Treasury But while that offer has not been accepted, the whole subject of the demands on the postal revenue which have arisen, and which are likely, and indeed certain, to arise in other quar ters, has assumed such an aspect as to require the attention of her Majesty's advisers, who have determined that it is recces-• — , ithout further delay,„to decide upon a general rule cf sary, shall govern the amount of outlay in the sites and the erection of buildings for provincial post-office... They hare decided that this outlay must be limited by the wants of the department itself, and that such site shall be acquired and such buildings raised as, in the opinion of the department approved by my lords, shall be sufficient for the efficient execution of the serwice, •always with a due regard to the prospective growth of She postal system, especially at particular places. - But wheie it shall be desired by the inhabitants of any place :to go beyond this, and to obtain, at a greatly increased cost, ',either an alscolute maximum of local convenience, or the erec tion of a structure more costly than the end in view may strictly require, or co-operation in some extended plan o f l oca l improvement, in these cases ,the proposal cannot be enter ttined except upon the condition of a co f rresponding amount of local contribution. Her Majesty's advisers believe that the adoption of this rule is both obviously just and reasonable in itself, and is requisite is order to stay the growth of demands, all-of which might be founded upon the claim for equality of treatment ? but which, in their joint result, might be found to leave the inland postal revenue of the country in a course of absolute diminution. It is therefore their 'op nion that thept;POSeaPia-nW;uar antee in the case of Manchester cannot be accepted, and the acqtdsition of another site can be further entertained only upon conditions conformable to the rule which has been laid down. Should the city of Manchester be willing ;to assume the main burden of the pretuosed change from the site in John Dalton street to that of the Queen's Theatrq, the correspondence may then proceed. But it cannot be prolonged on any other foot ing ; for the ezpeaditure, in the case of Manchester, of a sum similar to that which has been authorised in Edinburgh, would •establish a case of precedent.which would come to be applied through all the large towns, at an enormous cost to the country and without any justifying principle. When the case of Liverpool is fully ripe fir decision, the same basis will be applied to the circumstances of that case. Mr. •SIIEIL said the document was a very lengthy one, and they should treat it very briefly. The Council had made no offer to the Government, and the land was yet ill their own hands. Lord Redesdale had introduced a clause into the bill to keep the Government secure. 'the document, contrasted Edinburgh with Liverpool, because it was a ,inetro polis ; but it was not to b e com pared with Liverpoolin any way whatever. The Go vernment then went on to say "they will not contri bute." For his (Mr. SheiPs) part, he did not want thew. The whole document was really balderdash, from beginning to end. Why, where the Government paid £8 17s. 7d. per yard for ground in Manchester, Liverpool could afford to give it £7 17s. 6d. (Hear, hear.) After some observations from other members of the Council, the letters were referred to the Health Committee. This terminated the proceedings. DARING ATTEMPT AT ASSASSINATION.—On Sunday evening, about 84 o'clock, Mr. John Harland, under agent to Mr. Stackpocle of Cooreclivan, near Shinrone, in the King's, County, lreland, was fired, at and griev ously wounded in the stomach, neck, and arms. He was walking with his servant-man from where his cows had just been milked, and had only parted from him for a few second's, when he received the shot from a miscreant who had been concealed up to that moment. The fellow then rose from,his 'place of concealment,. and deliberately walked off, leaving his victim, as he thought, dying on the road. His life is in a precarious, state. Four men have been, arrested. This is the second out rage in this Locality. On the night previous, two shots were moneyfigrealianbtoout two .miles distant, A f ow y ea rs since, the house of a man "named Hunt, in 4_ • fine young man, nam e d E gan, was shot dead in al the same locality, on return' ENGLAND. co: RV. Paia f by WBODIST, in of Attenda UAL AID. ad disco s ' yoaC', a of oliinate be ebtaine° ad other medi rea rs, he haN ,rear s, debility Iso that ntuner,s LW} - he ca n guarif a t h e wrovic TS. on ,glS ne w 110 dang er =4 4 'le under li-ytervia ou t anY edies - W ren d s kili l oorle th , uty t° uis c ure:,, er know 431 he d ee° t etice, u,„001,0 a c ~. ' .. otto. a min Pmt - of so vs . 'Lleiiressed 0 iv tuna et a - 0 e c oef..„ e atau oil ; % nt , go t 3t tb ° Old e ► 9 ,L, - my vjoril . I L li o pre w _en! tick a Pr` extrd, ren Carl'fe l °,o cariatin 3, and the first 04 !mese w_ to et - i for the ,seabY s t r,re9 ud the, t y .ed, T 1 1 4 1" .4 44 >petite, pro;rei dange r plelp (I t ss )Cv ealthc, b E r o rv:f „ e ct, e J all res ,- ,0 the " 1 0 ' ov , _ ee• the loge' si° ts efer/ -----------',-. a I for t Thcct Fewloa of SP lr "TigiiLi v i' 1,- lilnlu*, TOU P j - 0 zae,d • rrj head .a. - o arY odily pro A 7sicai w a n wisonous ) the utte' tion, froj; [Tien' rar, y C. T. A mdon, ren ma 4014 °5 to the IV a —tole tug ~' a 11~ °n s~ I ' l AP l Pit r , I ' 6o JA ,bov'• en., fin* " 4.04' sire •COI 'IlV e(1 1 0 tDe , of OUR FRENCH FRIEND " It's coming, is he ?" quoth our John, " heard that talk before" — And then his eye fell straight upon His stick behind the door. "‘I wonder if't would suit Our Friend (John's face was rather grim) For me to save his coming here, By going there to him." " Because you know, old " I'm hearty, strong, and hale, And I'd be all the better for. A little bit of sail. I fancy, too, he thinks I'm not Quite sound in wind or limb. I've really half a thought, old girl, Of going there to him. says he, "Besides, you know, I should'nt be A stranger to the way, I visited the spot before In Bonyparty's day. That very stick I took with rae-- I swear, old gal, I'm half inclined " I hate to give a gentleman More - trouble than the s need, And crossing water makes Our Friend Uncommon cross indeed And if, as these here letters say, To meet me is his whim, Why, clang my buttons, Mother Bull, I'll go across to him. Mayhap he'd like to ha Egypt, and Spain, and Trafalgar, If he would, so would I. About those days, I rather think His memory's get tiny dim, And that's another reason, dam Why I should go to him. " There Master Jack may mind the house I'm glad he's bought If he don't keep you safe and sound, Tie's net his father's son. So fill a mug, Our Friend's good health, Yes, fill it 'to the brim If he'll ait say he means tc 400rge, I'll go to hirr --.#,-.-_ able to the liberality of the colonists that tilesul;;C; tions to the Admella reward and relief fund h no I ess than X 3,000. —A (Dowagei) of Hare•Cvood expired Goldsborough-hall, near Leeds, after Her ladyship was the second .aghter of Thomas. second Marquis of Bath, K.G., by the Hon. Isabella Elizabeth Byng, third daughter of George, fourth Viscount Torrington. She was born in 1801, and married, in 1823, Henry, third and late Earl of Harewood, who died in 1857 from the effects of inju ries sustained by being thrown from his horse while hunting. By her union with that nobleman the coUn tess leaves surviving issue the present earl and five other sons and six daughters. SOCIETY r^` 'e reach, liEconn eir IVENcxs.--The &zipping Gazette pub lished on Monday evenin€ , its monthly summary of wrecks, from which it appears that during the moneb. of October the 'number of wrecks reported in its columns WrIS 269. lin the month of January there were 177 ;in F , :bruary, '1 , 65 • in March, 151.; in April, 159 ; i n M ay, 110; in june, 94 ; in July, 81 • ,in August, 127; amd in September, 140, making a total daring the pre sent year or 1473. We miderstand that the Seaton and Crosby Coal Cormparrylave leased from the Earl of Lonsdale the roTalties of nearly the whole parish of Seaton, from F limby to Workington Ha r bo ur . Boring's have already commenced under the supetintendence of Mr. Muncaster, tl re manager and proprietor. It is anticipated that the c oal will be found to last for 500 years to come.. When t he new shafts are in working, the coal company and t he Hematite Iron Company, clOse by, will reciprocate benefits most important to their mutual prosperity.— t f,luntberland Paottet. HARE- - 00 D.—The Countess a Tuesday Illness, _ . FOR THE RESTORATION OP CHURCHES TO THE PEOPLE.—The second annual meeting of this society was held on 'Wednesday, in one of the committee-rooms of the Town-hall. The Hon. Colin Lindsay, president, occupied the chair ; and there were present—the Revs. G. - Huntington, It. King, G. S. Allen, G. H. Perry, J. E. Sedgwick, W. E. B ren d on . and J. Tinkler ; Messrs. E. Herford, J. L. Farrar, W. J. Ward, I'. H. Walmsley, H. Collinge, S. E. Dailey, and Joseph Hall. The chairman congratulated the members that since their last annual meeting their principles had made considerable progress in many parts of the country. In London, there had been formed a local associa tioE, which was likely ere l ong t o b ecome of consi derable influence ; and similar associations had been formed in other parts. Therefore, there was reason to hope that they might make progress against the pew system. He regretted, however, that much progTess had not been made in Manchester. When last they met, it was understood that St. Mary's Church, in this city, was to be thrown open; but it turned out that the church was built fifty or sixty years ago, large sums of money being advanCed by several persons, on condition that a cer tain number of pews should be allotted to each in per petuity._ __The consequence o f th e existing state 'of things appeared to him to be Perfectly frightful; ferli Manchester there were tens of; thousands of persons who had- literally no church to which to go ; so that, remaining at home, they lost all sense of religion, and ultimately became infidels. History showed us that the consequence of such spiritual desolation was rebel lion against temporal powers --a phase of the question which it behoved the laity as well as the clergy deeply to consider and earnestly to endeavour to refnedy. The ___...,., a. _ .ue aso.-. difficulty raised as to how clergymen's stipends were to mice of an attorney ; and although he had been be paid, if churches were thrown open, and the offertory grievously -wronged by Mr. Sadleir ' he could not b e a l one was rel i ed upon, rested upon a fallacy infecting the permitted to redress th a t' wrong a t the expense of the whole system, which he believed was rotten in the es Bank, by depriving it of an advantage which it had treme. - When a clergyman depended upon the pew rents honestly obtained. He therefore overruled Mr. Eyre's of a few individuals, he was always liable to give objection with costs. offence—either by some doctrine . , or some p ar t o f CHARGE OP THREA TENING TO M URDER A S OLICITOR. his church arrangements—and then instead of being —At a special sitting of the Kingston bench of magis- the independent pastor of a parish, he became the slave trates, on Tuesday, William'Sprong was.committed for "of the congregation or e m pti e d hi s c h urch. If the trial on a charge of sendi ng l e tt ers t o a. solicitor named. p r i m iti ve plan was restored, and where there were no Bell, residing in. Surbiton, threatening to murder him, endowments, the offertory was relied upon —mainly the object of the said letters, it was presumed, beingto composed, as it wou ld b e, of the pence of a number extort money. It appeared from the evidence that the ,of working men—a large sum would be realized, not prisoner had borrowed money of Mr. ,Spaight on some only for a respectable stipend, but also towards an in property of which, by virtue of a mortgage, Mr. creased staff of clergymen and the expenses of general Spaight had taken possession, and proceedings have been church management. In the small, temporary, and un taken in Chancery in connection therewith. Finally, consecrated church of St. Alban, Strangeways, where prisoner had signed a deed giving up all claims to Mr. the open-pew system was being tried, but under disad .Spaight, who had at the same time paid him a sum of , vantages, £l5O a year was now being received, which Z5O. Since then the pr, soner had stated that he had been was not only a considerable sum, considering the amount swindled, and was alleged to have sent the letter in of accommodation, but was larger than was received in ,question to Mr. Bell, the solicitor who had 'acted in the many churches under the pew system. In London, Chancery suit, whereby h e was pu t i n b o di ly fear. ' there was one church, with accommodation for 500 THE RELIGIOUS DISSENSIONS IN ST. GEORGE'S-IN- or 600 persons, where upwards of £l,OOO a-year was TEE-EAST.—The following is an official account, fur- received from the offertory ; three fourths of the amount nished by Mr. Thompson, th e churchwarden, of what being contribut e d i n pence. (Hear, hear.) Mr. took place' on Friday last, on th e occas i on of, the con- Farrar read the second annual report. It stated that secration of St. Matthew's Church, in reference to the the society had always recognised and admitted that pro religious dissensions is St. George's-in-the-Fast :--.“ on gross towards the re-establishment of the true parochial our entering the vestry, the bishop acknowled g ed the System of open pews, must necessarily be slow ; but, on receipt of a letter from the rector, and commenced the other hand, even opponents admitted that success was the mediation by stating that it was necessary for Only a question of time. The system contended for was the rector and the ehurchwardens to consent and ca rr i e d ou t in every form of worship except Christianity, abide by his mediati on . Th e churchwardens replied, and in every phase of Christianity except our own. stating that the whole question had been unreservedly The inviduous distinction which we made between referred to his ldrdship ; and that they, therefore, rich and poor in the matter of church accommoda felt themselves bound to accept his award, whatever tion was confessedly answerable for much of the that might be, although they felt ;inch surprised that existing ungodliness. It was earnestly to be desired the rector should have considered that his consent to that the system which had been so successful in Strange the mediation of his lordship was confined to the letter ways, should be tried in a larger and"'consecrated' of the vestry clerk, complaining of the use of the vest- place ; and there was much to be hoped for from two ments and the hour of the lecturer's service, he having churches--one building in Chorlton-upon-Medlock, and. consented to the mediation of his lordship, in reply to, the other soon to be commenced at Pendlebury—which the resolution upon the services, decorations, and ar- would be. conducted ma i n l y on the open-pew system. rangetnents of th e c h urc h, an d that they could no t co n- The Rev. G. Huntington moved the adoption of the re sent to give up their legal rights by binding themselves port. In seconding the motion, Rev. J. L. Sedgwick or successors to forego any p rocee di ngs against th e rector, said that the longer he was engaged in the work in con as they expected to he call e d upon t o remove the drapery nection with St. Alban's, Strangeways, the more he was and choristers' seats, p ar ti cu l ar l y as th e y considered the convinced that the plan adopted there was the only one concessions of the rector no t wor th accepting. They by which to engage the sympathies of the lower classes, were, however, willing to abide by the award of the bishop. so as to induce them to come to church, and to do what The bishop observed t o th e re ctor that he understood him they could towards supp or ti ng th e c h urc h. Th e R ev. to make a condition, that if he (the rector) accept e d his W. E. Brendon moved, " That the prevailing spiritual mediation he was to forgo any interference upon any destitution in Manchester and other large 'towns would other points. This his lordship, declined doing, giving pe diminished by givin g t o a ll eq ual and free access to his opinion that the vestments were illegal, ,and that theirparish churches." The Rev. Mr. Walinsley secouded possibly some objections might be found in the hymnal, the motion. The Rev. Mr. King proposed— andlaw,upon the rector's c d hgi o a u vn b ec t e f l u doubtful and;in h t i s o f therefore, he 'should legal rights. The rector having at last agreed to tlie unconditional reference of the vestments and the hour of after noon- service to the bishop's arbitration, the bishop decidedly Fight statingto t n ht o eh t e called upon his secular (Mr. J. B. Lee) to bear witness to the same, and gave' judgment that the hour of the lecturer's service should be at half-past three and the rector's service at some convenient time previous, so that the two services should not clash. His lordship kind' offered to preach the sermon again upon the re-openin but the rector having, in reply to the churchward stated that the'service would be cuoral, it to his lordship that his f rece7o-:- • ELECTION OF NEW SHERIFFS.—The Chancellor of ;he Exchequer, the Earl Granville, Sir G. Cornewall Lewis, and the whole of her Majesty's judges will attend at the Court of Exchequer or Saturday next, beint , the morrow of St. Martin, fo r the p ur p ose o f proceeding with the election of High Sheriffs , for the various counties of England and Wales for the next year. Three gentlemen will be recommended by the judges for each county, and they will afterwards be "pricked for" at a Meeting of the Privy Council on a future day, when one out of each three. will be selected to discharge the duties of the shrievalty for 1860. JOHN' SADLEIR'S FRAUDS.—Judge Longfield gave his lecision on Monday in Dublin in the case of Burmester and Eyre. Aftergoinig at full lengthinto all the well i vorn out arguments urged on both sides, the learned judge concluded by giving it as his opinion that Mr. tyre's intention was to release the lands in favour of any party dealing with Mr.' Sadleir; he not knowing or caring who that party was. His intention also was that the considerations which induced him to exec , -' the release.should not be disclosed to such part' acted deliberately, with full ,protecti6- ,nd i That the Apostolic practice of laying by weekly in stare as aFge number of the prdered by the Church of England in the offeitory, afford; an easy, effective, and reliable mode of raising money for all church ,urposes ; and may be advantageously subs ituted for with paris 1 r f in or g. th w e it m h ai: r ten: Irecveeonftlangcle,rgylnazi endowments,as was con elong to the working classes, he rev; speaker denied that the Society had any idea apparently supposed by some to be the case. The tut , . Mr. Allen seconded the motion. A fourth resolu especially vqiere a l 'ion declared 3 trial ( - - f w in ren ter inore chord parishioners open-pew system in one or s in Manchest er 'and • . Salford to b e very 1 it Nea [ADVERTISEIIENT.] FRIENDLY SOCIETY REVELATIONS thee society. main facts A meeting of the offi cers an d f r i en d s o f t h e R oya l Philan thropic S ocie t y was held on Monday night, at the offite of the society, Fi nc h -street. The Secretary, in opening- Po of a t c i a l r e d s first ta s emanate ey a s; a nset d f adocrctohin. _ from rd the proceedin gs , sa id that the present metingTting was, called to inquire i n t o certa i n false and malicious state mcieo £3 in t wen t y - ments which had b een c i rculated with the view of another society, and were t wo i n number. The follow the placard. Michael McHugh ente re d hi s father-in-law i i li n j g u r a r i n e g th accord ing ga to m e t h m e b r e r u l o e f s wa the s Philanthropic the Ss state sum six weeks from the time of his entrance. The father in-law died on the very day twenty-six weeks after he had entered the society. The son-in-law thinking himself entitled to the funeral allowance, made application to the secretary, who told him that he was not entitled to the allowance, as his father-in-law was two days short of being a half member. Such was the subject ofthe first document, to which was appended the son-in-law's mark. There ' was also a postscript to the effect that, after belonging to the society for some twelve or thirteen years not one penny was received on the present occasion. . The secretary, after reading the placard, proceeded to ex plain how the case really stood, which, he said, was as ibllows :--The father-iti-law, J. Hutt, was entered into the society three years ago by his son, and was again entered by the daUghter some twenty weeks previous to his death. The claim of the son being a just one, was paid, that of the daughter not being valid was refused. He produced the books of the society, by which that the twenty-six weeks were at the time of Hutt's death. The it ' was apparent t Lot complete second placard related to Barbara M'Coombe, and bore her mark. It stated that the society had refused to pay a just claim of £l2, givin g instead only £6. Mrs. M'Coombe was p resen t a t the meeting, and, in reply to the secretary, most distinctly de nied having affixed her mark to the document, and added that the. one read to her was of quite a different nature. The secretary said that by f ;he entry made at the time of the man's entrance hi s age would, at his death, be fifty, in which case £6 was the proper allowance. Even now, if sufficient evidence could be brought to show that the man was younger, he was quite willing to pay the balance. He thought it was most unjust and dishonest for any society to take advan- (IT of a woman's ignoranceby makingher sign that which , The placards having been published ,e thought it but justice to the society and the public chat the refutation should be published also. He thought that such infamous documents could only have originated from spite, and he would warn the public to he on their guard against any society which had recourse or blackening the character of an t y like the present. After some further dis a refutation _of the placards_ was drawu up, she did not believe 3 such schemes fc h. the meeting