Northern Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-09-16 00:00:00

MERSEY D,OCKS AND HARBOUR BOARD. I be built for Hoylake, the present boat being in an in efficient state, and that tenders be obtained for building Yesterday, at the usnal'weekly of this body, Mr. Chas. - Turner, the chairman, presided -,.: and t'ne other members. A - resolution of the Watch Committee, accompanied present were—Messrs. .Brocklebank, Bushel, Rankin, with a report by the head-constable, and also a resolu- Mondel4 A:iiderson, ilubback, Littledale, Farnworth, tion passed at a meeting of magistrates, with reference Laird, Rounthwaite, Segar, Inman, Shand, Boult, to the establishment' of a ricer police, havin been re- Tobin, and lather. ceivcd and read, it had been referred to the solicitor and , THE WORKS commirrrz. the marine surveyor to report upon the whole subject of The proceedings of. this • Committee showed that the the reoiStration and regulation' of boats" plyinm for hire tender a Mr. E. Sabeld had been accepted to supply on thecicer • - ' 25,000 fire-bricks, at 355. per thousand, and six tons Mr. MONDEL moved , the confirmation of the proceed of tire-clay at Os. per ton. ' - Mr. INMAN seconded the motion, which was carried. , inns Of the . Marine Committee.' , A memorial from ,shipowners and others, supported The proc eeding,s of the Pilotage Committee, which by a letter fictn the Underwriter s , had been received,- contained 'nothing' of public interest, were ~,,__, praying the board to take into their charge and sustain confirmed: ' the corporation chain-cable testing machine. The mat- ter had been referred to the engineer tol-eport. A report from a sub-committee had been submitted., on the subject of facilitating the transport of carts and • carriages across the river, and . a special meeting for .ts consideration appointed for 'Wednesday neat. The 'Engineer had submitted a new ' and complete plan of the dock estate, and recommended that copies cf it should be lithographed, at the estimated_ cost_f about the same, 'TEE FOE .MANAGEMENT OF THE DOCKS AND QUAYS A mercantile firm having applied for a permanent bath in one of the central docks, for vessels plying to Bordeaux, the answer directed to be returned had been that the appropriation of a berth to vessels sailing only once in ten days cannot be entertained. • A letter had been received from the manager of the Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction as to the sinking of their flat Ann, loaded with iron, in consequence of collision with an3ther flat when about , A regOlution had been passed that some spare land at th( east en 4. of Regent-road be let for the storage of timber at, the rate of one-sixteenth of a penny per square yard per week till the Ist of February, - 1860 ; and that, at the end of that, period, it should be subject to removal on a week's notice, it being understood that the rate of rent should then be revised. A letter having been received, from the secretary of the W19%1-fig had been referred to the harbour=master to report upon. Messrs. ! James Baines & Co. having neglected-to remove some iron tanks obstructing - the construc tion of the new steam dock, the solicitor had been instructed to give notic3 to them that they would be remoied by the trust, at the expense of that firm. sting the erec tion of it had ,t' the g A deputation having been received from three gentle men engaged in the hide trade, a- resolution had been passed that green or wet salted bides shall no longer he allowed to be discharged at the north-east corner of the been resolved to erect two eac t the Sandell an and th as, at a cost of id numbering thirty three in all, shout George's Dock the sites which 1 been selected f t, & Co. be informed that the assistant harbour the purpose fir, PROCKLE N protect Ciirtv= I that .e mot a for the .erc for the delivery of guano by water at Birkenh certain places which had been appointed for the pi sly passe( when the season approaches for )naraittec 'DoArd will cOnsid The interest ar expenditure on •ould.anmunt what accoramodatic word. Ted that ible to a beedreceived - from Mr. W. 11. Laird and s S. Hancock, as representing the coal trade, limited space, they will bi vninal :self wer inz the extent of accommodation which it was I the coal.trade, from the 4th of No- , sed to ye them ;Terriber to the end of the year. The answer directed to be returned 'was, that one berth in Morpeth Dock would C the IV T CoMmittee was. be approped . to that trade, with the but it - was found there was away the water. He hr e of another —both berths, and use of the mils. se of the rails, to be under the control of th( nd hart inducett at a As to•thc Sr. BOULT havin procee( Mr. MO j NDEL took V WOU aving en- which Mr. Bushell ana f they could not induct lothinfr. He ry Well disposed t legal obi( 4..ected fora public all events to he was afraidthatthey should get nothi aearourea to ao something towards the physical ana morarimprovements of °Teat bodies 9f people employed day by day upon their docks. (Applause.) .11e hoped, therefore, that the board would pass it unanimously. in seconding the motion for, the con- eutleman would see the great advantage which the fowl - - iins"wOuld prove Mr. Boi would like to ask a question as to the new ate. He was far from opposing its publi- Ito know - whether the' aja'cent lands, plan, so that they might know by whom they werE bounded. ARTLEY you mean along' .the whole because it would be difficult to do dthro Mr. Bouir said he meant the unbuilt-upon IIAnTLrY said it would be seasy to do it at the outskirts, as the laud facing them nearly all belonged to Lord Derby, Lord Sefton,• or Mr. John Shaw *Leith. Mr. BOULT —ls the Birkenhead property pot, included in the plaii ? The CHAIRMAN—No ; it is only the docks on this side. The matter then dropped, and the, proceedings were confirined... THE IVARETIO[JSE COMMITTEE It appeared from the proceedings of this committee, that •a man named Shakespeare, Josc , ph Cubley, and another, had been appointed delivery foremen, at 245. claim from Messrs. Cator and Nephew, for a quantity of had been returned that it could:not be•entertain6d -ette, au_ answer The Superintendent had called attention to the fact at.the Board of Customs had revived the system of leaving landing orders with mates and master; of ves sels, instead of depositing them as before, thereby occa sioning inconvenience in the discharge of cargoes; whereupon it had been resolved that the Dock Secretary should address a letter to the Secretary of the Board of Customs upon. the subject. Mr. HVBIIA.CZ having moved thc proceedings, onfirmation of the Mr. Biitivr asked the chairman of the committee whether any explanation had bcen afforded by the Cus toms as to the order which they had passed. It appeared to him a very extraordinary proceedin g . So far as he was informed, the system abolished bad been in force since 1846, and without evil results. Certainly, when the, late Customs' Act 'was passed, there was an understanding, if not a positive agreement, that every thing should be done, instead of hindering, to facilitate commerce. He happened, as a member of the Chamber of Commerce, to go up to London; Mr. Wilson was secre tary of the treasury at the time ; and it was so understood. Therefore, unless there was some strong, justification for this step on the part of the customs, it would be well for that board to memorialise and know the reason of the alteration—a return to the old system, which was a nuisance. The CHAIRMAN said a letter had been written to the secretary of the Customs' Board, and an answer had been received —" I beg to acknowledge the receipt of your leiter as to loading orders, and will take care to bring it under the notice of the Board of Customs with oat delay." Mr. TOBIN thought by calling public atleution to the matter, by its mention there, they would do more good than they could accomplish by a letter. Mr. MACIVER, said, if it was important to mention_it, he Must say that we never had a collector at the port who was less inclined to throw obstacles in the way than the present gentleman. They all thought they could never replace Mr. Arnaud, who was a most liberal minded collector ; and it was a good deal to say that Mr. Edwards was equal to Mr. Arnaud, and especially in his desire to facilitate the commerce of the port. The CHAIRMAN said their secretary had written on the 13th of September ; and his letter was as follows : Secretary's Office, Liverpool, 13th September, 1859. attention of the Mersey Dicks and Harbour Board having been called to an order of the Honourable Bard of Customs, dated 26th ultimo, directing that the landing orders for goods shall be lodged with the masters or mates of import ing skips, instead of with the Customs' patrol as heretofore, and the sup nintendents of the dock warehouses having reported upon the serious inconvenience and loss, by the detention of vessels, and damage by turning over cargo in the hold, entailed upon the board and merchants by such alteration in the practice, whereby it was permitted to land free goods upon a running tally to the extent of the quantity entered, but without reference to the specific marks, &e. ; I am instructed to request that you' will be good enough to represent to the Honourable Board of Customs the hindrances imposed upon the business of the Mersey Dock Board by the order above referred to, with a request that permission may be granted to revert to the former arrangement.---I am, sir, your obedient servant. The Inspector-General of Her Majesty's Customs. Mr. HUBBACK said he might state that when the r eport was ,brought before the Warehouse C omm i ttee on Monday, the superintendent had pointed ou t t h e great inconvenience which the order had entailed. He could not land a single article out of a vessel, whether duty paying or free goods, until every entry had been passed. They thought it best immediately to take the matter in hand. Mr. Brocklebank, Mr. Segar, and himself saw the Inspector-general upon the subject. He expressed himself anxious to do all in his power that the trade of the port might be facilitated. At the same time i he stated that the matter was out of his hands , thi s or d er having come from head quarters. It was then agreed that the letter should be written. Mr. TOBIN said, lest there should be any mistak as to his remarks, he did not suppose t'iought the present collector was throwing im p9unents in the way. He could bear out what Mr. Maclver had said, that they had never had a gentleman in that position who was inclined to gin m ore faciliti es t o commerce. The Proceedings were then confirmed I ny one , . THE ILUtTNE COMMITTEE. The tender of Messrs. Wainwright Brothers to supply a duplicate the Bell Buoy, for the Queen's Fairway, at a cost of ceptance. £250, was recomm en d e d f or ac- It was also recommended that a new lifeboat should I they were there with putrid fish lying upon the decks, made up a triple compound which was irresistible. (A Mugh.) Hotspur said it was not ,pleasant to have such, things coming between the . wind and your nobility (laughter) ; and that was felt much by the gen tlemen living . at Birkenhead. There were forty vessels a year in the hide trade which discharged in that dock ; and if driven from it, the result would be that they would be virtually excluded from all but three docks. All the docks north of the Prince's were appropriated either to particular trades or ships ; and :therefore the. Prince's Dock, - the King's and Queen's would be all that would be open to- 'the commerce with La Plata. They could not go into the closed docks, because the man. went of - hides was a skilled labour, He really thought, it was going too far. They knew there was one gentleman who contemplated tbey should have a highway to the pierhead lined with trees; and he thought that this recommendation must have been made in some such view as this. Let it be sent back, if they pleased, for reconsideration. Mr. BROCKLEBANK said it would certainly have been more satisfactory to the board if, when the Docks and Quays' Committee issued their recommendation, they. had stated where they intended to put those vessels. They must, of course, assign the_ trade some locality ; and if they began - to discharge salted hides—say on the. west of Prince's Dock—unless they fixed a berth, they should commit a nuisance from one end of the dock to the other, and to the damage of all other goods eischarged or loaded there. So much salt came from fiem that it would be impossible to lay Manchester goods upon the ground where these hides are ;—so that it was absolutely necessary that some place should be fixed where all hide vessels should discbarge. Mr. BOULT said he might state, in reply to Mr. Mon del and Mr. Broeklebank, that the resolution of the committee would neither increase nor diminish the accommodation available for the trade by one inch. The docks remained where they were—were of the same size as they were. They all knew that George's Dock of all docks was that to which vessels most resorted, who could get .in ; and the only result of moving the hide vessels. out of George's Dock to another would be, that other vessels wouldfind room in George's Dock, which at present they had not. There would be no difficulty, he apprehended, in that respect. There was no dock in the town where the hide trade was so offensive as in the George's Dock, there were so many passers-by. Now, they had had before them, yesterday, some highly respectable gentlemen connected with the hide trade—three out of five who had been selected for a conference on the subject; and they had consented to the proposition without much difficulty.. They said, if the committee could find them room either in the King's, Queen's, or Prince's Dock, it would answer their purpose; and if they made no objection, he should have thought that none would have been made. MAclvEn said it was at a very full meeting of the Docks and Quays' Committee at which that resolu tion had been come to. Now it was rather late in the day to commence an argument upon whether they should exclude this or that branch of trade on account of the smell ; and he thought he was one who had taken that exception to a speech of Mr. Bushell on a former occasion. Bones and hides were just as good an article of commerce so far as, revenue was concerned, as anything else ; butlere was an admitted nuisance ; and the objea in seeing those gentlemen was to ascertain if the removal would entail serious inconvenience. They stated that if in any of the three docks they could get accom modation, all their wants were satisfied. Those of the committee present might remember that, over,and over, Were pointed questions put to those parties as to the smell of bones brought from different parts of the country ;—so much so that he said, in joke, they were half gelatine. The CHAIRMAN—It was stated that the bones from the River Plate were steamed. Mr. MAelvEn said it was intended at first to exclude other hides and bones; but, at the chairman's sugges tion, it was limited ; and, he. (Mr. Maclver) did not think, th a t t h e b oar d would 'be justified in permit ting the landing there of wet and green hides, if they as o s u h l e d w fi n a s d paccommodation r n f themo e r d, as he e d l d s waheetr live S ac o ro fa s r s the water, they might do what they liked at the corner. The CHAIRMAN said the gentlemen all agreed that bones from La Plata were not objectionable. Before shipment, they were all steamed, to get the oil from them; so that there was no smell from them, unless they got wet with salt water. Mr. MONDEL moved that the resolution or recom mendation be referred back. Mr. BROCKLEBANK (appealed to) declined to second it ; but said he thought it was desirable that the com mittee should fix a place where those goods should be landed, because it would not do to land them here and there. • Mr. SHAND thought - there should be some specific berth for the landing of hides. According to what Mr. Mendel had said, they ought not to take the trade away from George's-dock, as it was a kind of antidote to the other effluvia. (Laughter.) The CHAIRMAN said they had had the advice of the A lettet was read. ft.* Mr. Edward Mills; surveyor to the Birkenhead Commissioners, to the effect that Mr. Hartley had . intimated his intention to continne the hording along the shore road for the purpose of filling the Woodside basin. This would prevent the' basin being used as beaching ground. He had therefore to request - that flats, carrying flagging, &c., be admitted. into dock, pending the work.—Referred to the Com mittee of Works. Three applications for increase of wages, from parties holding minor situations under the trust, were read and referred This was the whole of the general business, and the Reporters retired, TOXTETH-PARK BOARD OF GUARDIANS. The usual weekly meeting of this board was held yes terday morning, at the Public-offices, Park-road,—Mr. 11. S. Alpass in the chair. The; other members present were—Messrs. Joseph Wilson, William Baynes, Joseph Harrison, G H. Muter, John Wilson, Henry Layland, J. B. Hughes , M. A. Johns, J. D. Carter, and A. Grindrod. 3E% GOUGH, Governor of the West Derby Workhouse, reported that there were in that establishment, belong ing, to Toxteth-park, 331 paupers last week ; this week, 336 ; corresponding week last year,. 358. _ _ _ Cheques Were granted for the relief of out-door paupers to the-amount of £lOO. The following letter was read by Mr. Cleaver :-•—• To the Toxteth Board of Guardians. 41, Caple-street, Sept. 14, 1859. GENTLEMEN,---In.refertn.cq to adapplicatiOn to youi board, on behalf of your medical officers; on,the 2nd day of 4pril last, we are now desired to remind you that the year terminates on the 29th inst„ and that their salaries will becomepayahle. The amount owing to Dr. Whittle will' be £B7 les., and - to Mr. Barrett £62 10s: We are very unwilling to take proceedings against the Board of Guardians; but since we last wrote, we have gone fully into the matter and causes bearing upon it, and it appears to us very' clear that the notice to terminate the agreement was not given at the proper time, and that cone• quently our clients are entitled to a year's salary, which they claim.. If, however, your legal adviser has a contrary opinion, we shall feel obliged by. a reference, and we will in due course serve him with a process on your behalf.—We are, gentlemen, your most obedient servants, The CHAIRMAN explained that as soon as the rents really became payable, they: told the tenants that they anted the property ; and after the notices expired, the ceased. The committee, he was sure, diged to the Mayor for calling their J. & E. WHITLEY & THOMPSON Mr. JOHNS said he thought it would be wise for the board to take the opinion of Mr. Holden, their solicitor, on the subject. They had taken the opinion of. Mr. Archibold, but that opinion was given with so many if's, that he thought it almost valueless. He moved that they better be referred to their solicitor, in order to have his opinion._ _ _ _ Mr. HUNTER seconded the motion Mr. CARTER proposed, as an aMendment, that they should take no notice of the letter, further than to acknowledge the receipt of it, and allow Messrs. Wiiitley and Thompson to take action in the matter if they choose. tenancy of oours f orn,r rn nab - "Mr. HENRY LAYLAND seconded the amendment, which was carried by a majority of one on,being put to thevote, • The proceedings of the Building and Visiting Com mittee were read, which contained a recommendation that the salaries of the master and matron of the New Workhouse shoUld commence from the 12th inst. ; and that they be allowed a weekly sum for board and lodgings till. they could reside in the workhouse. The pro?eedings were confirmed. . A member of the . boardlisked if the penalty incurred by Messrs. Kilpin and Montgomery, the builders of the workhouse, should be enforced,. for not having fulfilled their contract within the specified time, seeing that their premises had been,burned down. It was stated that a quantity of the work was on the premises when the fire took place. • The CHAIRMAN stilted that he had no sympathy for them so far as the penalty was concerned, as the work ought to have been done long ago. Mr. JOHNS said he wished to draw the attention of the board to a circumstance which occurred a few days, ago. Mr. Pickup, the overseer, called upon Mr - . Finnegan, the medical officer, and in reference to a poor person who was ill ; but he found Mr. - Finn e .. l 4 /1 was from home. He then went to, Mr. Drawbridge Mr. Finnegan's deputy, but he refused t o act. H e moved that Mr. Finnegan be written to on the subject. The CHAIRMAN thought, it would be better to write to Mr. Drawbridge to see if he had accepted. Mr. Finnegan had submitted Mr. Drawbridge as.his deputy, and the board had approved of him, but perhaps with out his knowledge or consent. Mr. JOHNS said that under the circumstances he would move that Mr. Cleaver be instructed to write to Mr. Drawbridge on the subject. attention to the subject; and he liad no doubt that he spoke the sentiments of every member of the committee when he said that the evil complained of should be remedied with the least.possible delay. Mr. BECKWITH-Why, 'ite bought the property from Mr. Cross, the under-sheriff of the county ; and if he - considefed that there were no objections to having such tenants, why should we? Mr. CROSTHWAITR—You must know, Mr. Beckw ith, that two blacks do not make a r white. Mr.. VERNON—I am quite satisfied with the state ment you have made, and that it is your intention to get absolute possession of this property at the earliest moment you can, for the purposes §tated ; but in the meantime I tell you that I think it is most discreditable—most disgraceful, for the corporation of this town' to be re ceiving money, in the shape of rent, for such houses as these. ,(Hear, hear, from the Mayor and Mr. Cros thwaite.) Why not cease at once to take the rent, and adept such means as would immediately enable you to get rid of these people ? As to receiving rent under such circumstances, for the mere object of filthy lucre, I must again protest against it as most abominable. I would not receive one farthiim The CHAIRMAN—Mr. White, are you aware that these houses are really occupied by such people as those described by the mayor ? Have you any knowledge of it? Mr. WHITE- . —l have no personal knowledge of it. - When we purchased the property, I suppose the rents were being received for it, and we only now receive the rents in a similar manner. Mr. STITT took it that the committee were deter mined' to put an end to the property,—indeed, to demolish it ; but still, although the cornora tion had obtained pessession of the property, they had not power immediately to rid themselves- of the tenants in occupation. They could put an end to thoie tenancies in the usual legal manner. As regarded, however, the other question—that of receiving money for them in the shape of rents—he thought they ought not to receive it, inasmuch as he considered that the 'moral status of the corporation was loWered by it to a much greater extent than was -com pensated for by the receipt of the money. Mr. BECKWITH suggested that, before the committee took any action in the matter, Mr. White should' lay' a statement before them next week, shOwing the number of this class of tenants, and the amount of rent which they received from them. When that was' done, the committee would be enabled to take some definite course: He moved a resolution to that effect: The CHAIRMAN would again remind the committee, that this property was purchased for the purpose of being pulled down ; and if the occupying tenants were parties of the character which had been described; the com mittee would have so much the less difficulty in getting rid of them immediately. He thought that when they had a report from their treasurer, as suggested by Mr. teckwith, they would be able to take immediate steps. Mr. CROSTHWAITE—We can eject them at once if they are found to be persons of that character. Mr. BECKWITH—'NO, you cannot; there will be a difficulty. Mr. GLADSTONE—NO, no ; there will be no difficulty • at all. --- 1111.fiu;;;Zu seconded the motion, which was ag ree d to, and the board broke up. Mr. beckwith's suggestion was then adopted, and the matter dropped. HEALTH OF THE TOWN - The medical officer's report stated that the deaths - ending the week Saturday the 10th inst. were 194, being eleven less than the previous week, and seventy less than the corrected average of the same week of the previous nine years, exclusive of the cholera deaths of 1854. Of the total 194 deaths, 134 were in the' arish, and 60 in the out-townships. Zymotic diseases caused 59 deaths, against 88 in the week previous. Of these 31 were from diarrhcea, (average 51,) 7 from fever, 7 hoop ing cough, 5 dysentry, 3 scarlatina, 2 syphilis, 1 scurvy, and 1 diptheria. No fatal case was recorded of either measles or small-pox. From disease of the lungs the deaths were 44, including 26 from consumption. De lirium tremens was fatal to a male, aged 37. Mr. M‘GowAii said that the report showed a decrease in the mortality in ,the borough of about 36 per cent. Mr. CROSWAITE did not attribute much importance to the returns, because the decrease in the mortality in the country was general. The other day he was rather amused to see a statement of the Vicar of Ormskirk, THE CAgg OF Dit. Smiantrusr,—ln addition - to the vast con- grumbling because there were so few interments. NO course of visitors who generally resort to Mr. William Allsop's body, he said, died ! magnificent exhibition of wax-work, sculpture galleries, The CHAIRMAN said that musical promenade, Btc. - Teutonic' Hall,- Lime - street, Liver- / at all events, that was not pool, the number s have been greatly augmented this week by th the introduction of Dr. Smethurst to his already world- pa e case in London, rativdyonth a the increase. h as t e. e mortality there was corn renowned establishment. The figure is a full-length one, in wax, and is positi ve l y a p er f e ct and faihtful likeness, modelled Mr. CROk•HWAITE said that his observations merely by that renowned artist D. Bruccian, of London, from careful applied to the provinces. drawings taken during his trial, and is certainly the only model Mr.. VERNON remarked 'that the observation did not taken. So great has been the excitement caused by the. case of hold Dr. Smethurst, that up war d s o f 5,000 persons hav e pa i d a vist g ood as respected Birmingham, Wolverhampton, to this very gorgeous and interesting exhibition in three days. Open from ten a.m. to ten p.m. Admission fid. d and A that co distr ict. Open musiniccat. t ion was read from Mr. Theodore Rath- that ought to, get a license. __lf a man had spent a sum of money in that way, and sold it for £BOO how much of that sum would be spent in fitting: up the house for . the business ? Again, if a man, by his . own industry and attention. to business,. brought a large trade to his house, had he not a right to consider that,a part of his stock in trade ? lie • would say that the_ person who, made such a statement - as that. Plan license, he was not stating what was true. . The magis trates desired to introduce a local act for the purpose of relieving them of an. annoyance, which the magistrates had themselves created. He could not see how the pay mert•of £lOO fOr dlicen - se would reduce intemperance. His own. - experience was, that it would . increase [.intemperance. .(4o doubt of . it.) He could not fora• Moment supPose' that • the government would contemplate such a thing. It was their duty .as licensed victuallers to watch over • their. interest and the doings of the magistrates, as far as their inte rests . might be affected thereby. There .were. 1,200 licensed victuallers, as ..stated by the chairman of the licensing- . sessions, with whom there was no trouble. Why, then, did the magistrates wish to interfere with these- -1,200.? Was it because there were 300 ill conducted houses ? If so, why had not the magistrates done their duty in making more strict inquiries as to the character of the people •to whom they granted licenses ? lie would say, if .they misconstrued or mis conceived the.law they were to blame,•and they had no right to throw the - responsibility off their own shoulders. 'lt became the duty of the licensed victuallers to protect themselves, and - under that consideration he begged to move the following resolution :—" That a sub-committee be formed to watch the proceeding's of the magistrates with reference to any attempt to introduce into parlia-. ment,. either locally or generally, any act having a "tendency to promote the system of free licensing." • Mr. DAN-SON rose to second' the motion, and in ' doing so he said the subject had occupied his atten tion for twenty years, and he considered himself some slight authority . on the subject, because he had taken great - pains to get . the information necessary. He would' confine his remarks to answering some objections that were made at the magistrates'. ineeting--more especially by Mr. Aikin, Mr. Gladstone, and Mr. Samuel Holme. Mr. Aikin had dwelt more especially on the origin of the late parliamentary com mittee; and had repeated the objections that were made as to the difficulty that the magistrates had in granting licenses. It was not the fault of the law, b u t th e administrators of the law, that they had this difficulty to contend with: (Hear, hear.) The idea now entertained was to raise a considerable sum .of money . for' the increase of the revenue of the country, and grant • a license to• ever y respectable -men that might apply... He maintained that could not be done ; and Mr.. Brown had told him. that the committee were entirely at sea as to the mode in which they were to carry out their proposed resolution. Now, he would contend, that men should have some nians of carrying out their own propositions. The latter portion of the speech of Mr. S. Holme he would read, which was : "This was a subject upon which he could say very much; he waS desirous, however, that this committee should be again appointed, and that they should do all they possibly could to bring public opinion upon their side; . because, he must say again, it. was only by supporting the government by the im mense power of public o - Anion, and by those whose opinions when spoken had a right to be heard, must be heard, and would be heard, that they should succeed in bringing down the present system,---odious, discreditable, and disgraceful as it was, and succeed in making that which was at present a source of misery a source of public revenue, and in making it more respectable in its character, so that it would be a benefit to society at large. (Hear, hear.)" Mr. S. Holme afterwards added that what he had said had no reference to the respectable publicans, for he believed a great many of the respectable publicans in 'Liverpool would join them in what they were advocating: Now, he would contend that that was , one of the greatest mistakes one of the greatest men they had ever, made in his life. They were only to pay the country a tax or Premium upon that which he called disgraceful and ruinous ! He would ask, with all respect, what man in his right mind would sanction such a proceeding ? He did not mean to say that Mr. Holme meant what he said, when he - proposed that Government should tax the already . over-taxed trade of • licensed victuallers. He • would put it to any sensible man what he thought of selling the vice and corruption of the country for a sum of money ? That was the whole argument. He gave Mr. Gladstone great credit for his good feeling towards the people ; but his whole speech, regarding the moral degradation of the country, was more a sermon than a speech. One thing was evident, that the . magistrates formed 'their estimate from the statistics of the police, from the presentments of juries, and from 'recorders and judges. • He contended that was not the way to get the proper information. method,bo f. to The magistrates took their estimate of the people by the number of prisoners that were brought up for drunleenness, and these who were fined, as a commit forcamm i p mt iemt, was a f n the wellh d e e t s r hp a ne d rs c aw . t en T ocm hhiiast crime, whens he np armed s a r p a e r himself with drink. It was not 'the 'drink, but the man who took aet it T f h o e r the a g p i u s t r ya o t s e e s o s f h a o r u n l l d i n , d c , o himselfse to commit heydtdin the the House of Commons, call upon disinterested men, put a conviction, and a fine of treble the vale" of the silk, £lB.—Mr. Cobb appeared for the defendant , and stated that:the real facts of the ease were.these On the Ist instant the-Ravenseiaig arrived here from . The captain at once reported the shiP• 2nd he called at the office -of .Messrs• Ashley Brothers, the consignees of the ship, and said he, wanted to amend the report, as he had several pieces" of silk on board, belonging _to ,himself, on which he wished to pav duty. A clerk in the office said that i t would cause much troubles to amend _.the report. and suggested to the captain to put all, the pieces in one bundle and forward it to ;the baggage depot, and he (the clerk) would see them passed. - On -the 3rd, the captain was sorting out the silk when the owner came on board. Captain Jameson wag with the captain at the time, and the latter' went on deck with the owner` In the meantime the custom-house officers came 03 board, and again overhauled the ship. The silk bad by this tithe been 'wrapped up in 'rme- parcel, and -w 5L4 ' lying on the cats table. One of the officers searched very minutely the charts, and between these charts be discovered a piece of silk. This he seized and took to the depot, and an information was taken -out against the captain. The defence rested on the fact, that there were nine pieces of silk, and that the captain was under the impression that all were in the bundle. When he was called on deck he left. Captain Jameson inspecting the particular piece of silk, which he was accused of, endeavouring to smuggle. Captain Jameson; a fter in", speeting4he Barren being on deck,. thoughb that it -was incumbent 'on him to put the pieee.of si lk back on a rock from which he had taken it ; and after doing this, he left the cabin. When he (Captain Janie, son) returned to the cabin, he found that the si , " had been all tied *up by Mrs. Barron, the captain's wife, but the piece of silk complained of was inadvertent l y left out. Mr. Tyndal pressed for a conviction, and :NI:r• Preston took some time to consider his. decision. - 1-16 said in all cases of this sort he never c onv i c ted v/ 1 - le., ~,7 there was any reasonable doubtas to whether there an evident and bona fige intention to defraud the Crown . ; After reviewing the case as it came before him, .he b arrived at the conclusion that there was a reasona le ' doubt, and under these circumstances he should disnli s6 the information. Singapore On the [Before Messrs. CASTELLIAN and J.. H., TURNER.) EXPOSING UNWHOLESOME- FISH FOR SALE. D" Richard Morley, a fi s h monger ,-- occupy i ng a s t a ll in . John's Market, was charged with , exposing a quanti t y of unwholesome fish for sale. On Tuesday morning, the 6th instant, a fish-hawker, named Winifred Stanton, bought 6.5 lbs. of fish from Airs. Morley for 3s• Shortly afterwards, it was discovered that the fish in a very bad condition, and totally unfit for use. 5 ,7 complained to Mr. Tyrrell, m ar k e t-i ns p ec t or , who t - amined the fish, and also called a jury of fish-hawke i , who decided that the fish was not fit f or h u man foo d ' Mr. Muck, who appeared for the defendant, said that there . was not the slightest evidence to show that the fish wo r . bought from Mrs. Morley, and asked for an ackluit t "t , on that account. The magistrates was of a ditfor e opinion, and fined the defendant in 10s. and costs. d: UNWHOLESOME MEAT.—lnspector Jones summo ne d, Thomas Rigby,, John WoOdeock, George France, s n it George Talbot, under the Nuisance Removal Act. appeared that there is a practice in Liverpool of killing diseased beasts, and dressing the meat, the parties doing so watching for an opportunity to convey it to the slit for sale. Inspector Jone s w it nesse d the defenclan it come out of a slaughte r -h ouse i n S cot l an d- roa d : 034 4 of them had what is ca ll e d a " quarter " o f a disease beast, ready dressed for sale.' As' this was the fir offence under the act, a mitigated penalty of 20s• a n costs was inflicted in each case. HOUSEKEEPERS.—The Coffee sold by Th° 1111 : Brothers, 5, Elliott-street, at Is. 4d., is better the 1 a pay Is. t3d. for. at any other,establishment. en unan: water fc moved . the confirmation of the ection to the recommendation prohibiting the discharge' of carg .oes of salt hides on one - quay of the George's. Dock. The object, he supposed, I was to prevent vessels - with green or salted hides from oinin into that dock. It was an important question, and he did not think it should be lightly - adopted. He thought :.they- should encourage every branch- of trade I be so sweet - to tt grain smelt far other-things might haVe been selected• as annoying as salt hides. He had been told that morning; by one of the oldest brokers -in the trade, that whenever there had been as a prevalent infectious disease in Liverpool, they had never had a case of it in the hide trade. It was a most healt occupation. ar, and laughte Formant was one o: ne most respectable rneu ia Jones were more objectionable, and yet still allowed to be discharged. Ire not they included? loNnnr.:--No. Certainly at the north-eastern corner of the George's Dock the effluvia from the sewer, salted hides, and, what was worse, .the herrings when they Mr. BUSHEa Mr harbour-master, who had shown that it was difficult t 6 appoint a - specific berth for a spe . cific trade ; becaiise if there ; but supposing another.vessel• got in,- they could" not expect it to be cast out if another arrive& which Was' in the hide . trade. But so far as the harbour and dock masters-could acconimodate them, they. would do so. Them were 200•vessel"s in the hide luenting the port, and 40 of them discharged is end of George's Dock.. If the plan projected was found.open to inconvenience, it could be altered. Fhe•gentlemen were apprised of that. Yes, we said if ;this does not work,' trade 'fr AIRMAN • we can alter it, but let us try it. Mr. MONDEL —I must protest against,this as a ship- more int The CHAIRNLiN the hide gentlemen Mr. BUSHELL said he should not 'have said'a word, but for the la,st.observation! of Mr. Mondel, when Ile, said the shipowner was the first person to be considered. Till he added the last few words, it seemed: as if he thought that the shipowner was to be considered ,before, the inhabitants of. Liverpool and the strangers here. - NoW, he most decidedV:objected aid that the trade of Liverpool, was flock fur the .ben t 'of its inhabi Ind:welfare of the people wer 3er vient to trade, bat trade to the requirements of the people. That was his theory.' He was not 'going to Lde sub hides be equal to the odour of flowers; but if Mr. Mondel would consnt-that half a dozen hides.should be brought into that room, and kept there during their ordinary time of iitting, he should be surprised if he did. not change his opinion. (Laughter and applause.) He . was glad that his committee had considered the number of peopleineon venieneEd by this nuisance; and that the. el be made without injury to their revenue. that when 'any inconvenience arose, it could be easily Mr. Mon Mr. Ifiisßc read, that a get ill it was n td;, d - he had heard from the proce allowed because he had w Ile tho' z seconded. He believed revive t what amount f trade was )Is , many ships a yoarw subject cessary to secure the aed to lx plied withott the matter was ea )1e of a per- feet explanation. • The-.application` here vas not . for the appropriation of a berth nierely, but for the appropria tion of: a berth in a particular dock in the centre of the • The CHAIRMAN said there was a rule. of this kind; Parties :who :oacupfaPpropliated berths, were required to ao a certain amount, of work in tuose oertas , um, that of itself would hot entitle them to a berth there, unless it allowed of aceammodation for other trades and the transient trade in, the d Mr. BUSHELL I don't think that rule is defined. —We are getting into a very irre- The gular discassion now The subject then dro' pped, and the proceedings •wc A letter was' read' from W. & D. Pushy, oar pro effect, that' having, by permissiori. prjetors, Sc . down on , the 1(1 . 16 of docks, and finding them much pre feri•ed by the public to the ordinary road omnibuses, they ,b, permission tolpla.c ne, fitter like the others wit two naqr _up9n h paten moveab granted, to witlid: ie request. was w a correspondins• numbei of omni 31ieation was referred to )uses from the road.—The. the Works' Committee HEALTH COMMITTEE ;ee was The weekly meeting of the yesterday, Mr: Aiderman . Poyer iiithe chair. The other members of the committee present. were—Messys-Sheil, Vernon, Gladstone, Beckwith, Crosthwaite, Anthony, HaYdock, Bowring, Stitt, and Barton. His Worship the Mayor was also present. THE 'CORPORATION PROPERTY AND THE BROTHELS IN PETER-ST MAYOR, before the ordinary -proceedings coin , said tention letter in the 3ferenry, in which• it was alleged , that the corporation were in receipt of rents from a number 'of meeting in consequence of the appearance of that letter Health V Committee; - for the purpose of whether or not the..statement; was correct opinion was, that it was neither right_ norconsistent on the part of the corporation to receive rents at all from such a class of property. . • Mr. BECKWITH said he did not see The fact was, that. the corporation were - . compelled ,to • taming jlis own anythin VERNON said differed from 3eckwit great deal in it NORTHERN DAILY TIMES. In his opinion there was a ver explain to' the meeting the ,circum- Aances under which. _the corporation held the .ptoperty, treasurer, woul and the rent derivable from it Mr. WHITE explained When it came into th can to Mr. WHITE Mr VERNON Committee The .0 —We a r property 3ration, the Health st to s TAIRMAN said ti the co: i~ cl~o t ire we to understand. t ssity of to ley found ...i thai they had ter Undoubtedly,. wlier duty to turn them out In fact, their objet was -to it as found their t'rid of all the as they. could, . forth the property.down ; 'and'if it should appear that there were such houses, there could be little. doubt that the committee would be able to get rid of the .texants so Mr.- VERNON said it a peared, from w their trea- surer had said, that the could only t rid of thi so ; for where they >; they took every ase where they once people just: as they were disposed to g Mr: WHITE said that was no. found that they had such ten means to eiect,hen act Of pirliatnent, for the pu . rpose.of taking it down. The Health Committee were endeavouring to. get pos, unreasonable to suppose that they could do so in moment. It must be borne in• mind that it was only last year they o possession of t property le MAYOR salt mimt tee, ceiving' rents for thi places, appeared, in fact, to be and he would ask, how could he, brothels or how could the magistrates, with.consisteneyi fine this people when :IrouF. , ,ht )efore :them, -when t4einselies were weekly collecting rents from them as their tenants ? SEPTEMBER l6, 1859. bone, requesting statistics from the committee as to ,all. questions to them, coMpare their opinions with the sanatory condition of the town. It was stated that practical Then, and make their , judgments accordingly the committee could afford Mr. Itathbone no more infer- Mr. S. Holme was, at last, an aavocate for free-trade in mation than was contained in their weekly reports. licenses, and talked about men having more than one In answer to Mr. Beckwith, the Chairman stated that license. He talked about men of , straw ; which WAS a. on, the occasion, of their interview with the Chancellor perfeetaabsurdity, because, a man with £l,OOO in a house of the Exchequer, he promised, the committee that there would lobk much sharper to the 'character of the man should be no unnecessary delay so far as he was cork- ,he put in than the. Magistrates could do. He, contended, cerned, in regard to finally deciding respecting the site that , there was nothing in the present state of the law of the new post-office, in Dale-street. • that would prevent the magistrates from acting to the - There was no other public business, and the reporters satisfaction of themselves and .the public ; but so long as they went on without a system, the present abusts would continue. He was quite mire there were memorials in the baskets at the magistrates' room with the seals unbroken, and it was not Fair that people- should be put to all the trouble to no purpose. He concluded by stating a great amount of the drunkenness at present existing, was attributable to thd maladministration Of the 'magistrates themselves, The resolution was carried; and on the motion of Mr. Allinson, seconded by Mr. Calderbank, the follow— ing gentlemen were appointed as a committee : ---Messrs- C p oward, HOrnby, T. Jone s , L u nd ) , C urwen , th e chair . . an, .and the trustees. Thanks were voted to the Press, and the meeting separated: withdrew LICENSED VICTUALLERS' MEETING A speeial meetipg of the comniitt appointed by this ;rday, in the institution, V 'est Derby 7 Mr.. Matthew . ‘Tarriner presiding. The other members of the committee, present were—Messrs. H. Lumb, W. CoiVard, T. Calderbank, H. klornby; W. Glover, W. Crane, Thomas Jones, J.:Rathe, J. Morn- ton, and H. Curwen, followirig tritaees POLICE COURT .--YESTERDAY, [l3efore Mr: PRESTON.] - 11013 BING A TILL—A lad about ten years of age; named Alfred Wells, son of a ship-carpenter, was charged with stealing the sum of is. from the shop-till of a Mrs- Atherton, Moorfields. Mrs. Atherton keeps a small shop for the sale of edibles, and the lad was noticed be hind the counter on Wednesday. He had no business there, and he was asked what he was doing. He said he wanted to know the price of some bacon. He Was told what it was, and went away. Some time after this, •otii the till of 7s. was missea The lad Was subsequently apprehended, but the money was not f o und. He was sent-to prison for three days, to. be well whip pet,. and afterwards to be delivered up to his parents. /ROBBERY BY A SHOP-BOY.—Peter Boswell, a shall" t‘nd intelligent-looking lad, - about fourteen years' old, was charged under the fol boy, it "appeal* had 'been in - t ming circumstances. The employment of lr• nometer make -street: for m that he was detingdishortestiv, as There were also, present the mes Thompson, John tinson, John 'Atkinson, and Henry Danson. The CHAIRMAN stated that the meeting was called in accordance with a resolution passed- at the last nionthl meeting, held on the Bth September, find the object wa slcierlng, the recen proceedings of e was sure it was .s important that the licensed - victuallets should call a meeting to look after their own interests, 'as that the msider - a question tha aneetect' thenisOivea - personal themsehei'perSonallyinasinuch as there wa4•'SomeTdiffi , calty in dealing with the question, and he had no doubt Y. of their tl4 the lat 3 sessions th were 180 11 thrown into t as if t to be . tt scratuble . as to' who sbotild No su )twin a 1 loptea 'such.- a syste owing to a pool troubl roper system, ;s were heard from in 'Liver- they would have less I :must be "the better system adopted trouble never DpLed, ipplicd a second tini inclined to put down drunkenness but he ..wool( le ma was. a iesbettable fideliAed vietuallE temperan Ind had met to d was not nd dis re? It. ?Mei to He would main- g intemperance as the magistr ible license was no, int :o a I.( tain that the magistrates amount . of, drunkinuess. They granted„ licenses into neighbourhoods :where there was not room for them, and the men holding the.'licenses would serve any man, w drunken, because they were glad to get If the, magistrates exercised. that wise .dis- cketion'whiclx they t occur hen a man got a - - is owninterest. to ,maintain the respectability of his lace, and not to run the risk of the license being with- had been sold for' from £2OO to £BOO, it was a false hood. The magistrates well knew that it cost a con- iiderabt sum to fit up house so as what might for a license fit an ,0 make it proper. place He remembered a magistrate . saying, with respect to a•certain house, that it was a. beautiful building, welt fitted up, and lie thought it was a house )ur weeks, He .showea TI ifactiOn, but-the y( had missed various sums of money: The young mein marked two shillings, which'he left in the till, find went out. On.lis returndrawe r and he examined th e drawend. Tound .that one of the shillings had been taken from it. Se ,brought in a police-officer, and tile Jad was taken to the main bridewell. 'When searched, the marked shilling was found upon him, as Were also two -told watches , value about £3O. The 'prisoner - said - the - shopman had given him the watches to take - to - the - workshop, but this turned out.untrue. • He was remanded. EXCISE PR9SECITTION.—,Tames Ogilby Barron, NV' tarn of the ship Ravonscraig; waseliarged with smuggling 24 yards of foreign: manufactured silk value ss. per yard. On tne Ist instant the ship was inspected by the onse "officers, and everything was found finite She .was searched again .on the 3rd of SE a roll of silk was f o und concealed among red. ber, anc The cmantity was 24 yards, and yalue °s• per yard.—Mr. Tyndal, who 'appeared for the excise, i• 3 - _ _ I IMPROVEMENT IN GENTLEMEN'S 11A" A 15, 1859. Liverpool, Messrs. KINNEAR and Simesex, St. George's-crescent. GENTLEMEN,—The Hat ysu sold Me three dayssinc e -nounce the most easy and comfortable Hat I have c °s o the viously worn—in fact, it is a luxury to put on and taL head.—l am, Gentlemen, yours truly, Bootle, April 20, 1850, Messrs. KINNEAR and SIMPSON, Hatters, St. George's-crescent, -s- r, a ng GENTLEMEN,—The Hat you made for me fits me bet or' anie ( d Si w g :t Coe h dm, a )man is more comfortable, than any new Hat I have ever m i. oc or worn prior to this, and I wish you success with your of a a in n v Td e hit n e t s i a o lue n tt . ifte — ur - l Y wo o tast u e r r s as truly, presenter - vecll MEWS. AND SIMPEON, 0101:ir DEAR Sias, KINNEAR —I have great ple asure i n bearing W.) l esti an c l to the comfort afforded me by y our i m p r oved liaLt e head' windy weather it holds c om f or t a bl y an d firmly to Yours truly, Goree Piazzas, Liverpool, April 28, 1859. Lancaster, June 30, 1859. Messrs. e K w ::: me in ever: EAR AND S:MTSON Liverpool. N r , have- e - s - p l t. T m h u e c h pleasure GENTLEMEN,---I th Hat h I received from you `through Mr. --- --- ,,Z_Lin.iiig improvement in n „ i d con'. renders it, in my opinion, one of the most comfortablee; _ +1 ,,,t venient Hats ever yet . produced • and I beg to assur .. °iL i 'll- I can confidently recommend it to the public.---Yo r_._s....!`_..''', fully, e to -- ne The above letters, with numerous others, in refer!, _o_ SIMPSON'S EASY-FITTING HATS, have been received by ile s ' 7 Kinnear and Simpson, and may be seen at their shops• s E-ST • PEE 6, ST. GEORGE'S-CRESENT, and 9, DAL -- iniaf°:ein,AgJoutiettlhae: LIVERPOOL