The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

LIVERPOOL ELECTION PETITION. PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE. ( FROM OUR OWN REPORTER. We published last week, in a second and third edition, a full report of the proceedings before the Select Com mittee of the House of Commons, to the close of Monday, and we now resume the narrative. TUESDAY, MAY 31ST The first witness called was Thomas Cannel], who deposed : I am a householder in Liver pool. I was canvassed for Mr. Cardwell and Mr. Ewart by Mr. Owen, and I told him that if he could give me a little money I would. I know Joseph Birchall, a furniture -broker, in Rich mond-row ; he canvassed me on the other side, for Mackenzie and Turner, and I told him if he would give me something I would vote for his party. There was another person came to Myoyard with Birchall, the one I did not know was a stoutish gentleman. I am a coal-dealer and shoemaker. I told them I wanted something for my vote. Birchall said be was not allowed to give anything. They gave . me a half-sovereign. This was a day or two before the election day. The circum stance took place in the yard. A question was asked as to how much I required. I said I wanted another sovereign. Birchall did not say anything. It was the other man, not Birchall, who gave me the half-sovereign. Birchall, however, told the other man to give ine the half-sovereign. He said he would see me the next day about it. I voted for them at the election. Cross-examined : lam not a freeman. I have been a house holder for thirty years ; eight years in Liverpool. When Bir chall and the other gentleman called, he said he was not wil ling, and was not allowed to give me anything. Richard Joynson : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I know the Angel Coffee-house, kept by Mr. Walter ; it is in the West Derby ward. On the polling-day, between twelve and one, I had promised Mr. Edwards, the plumber, that I should vote for Mr. Cardwell, and to others that I should vote for Turner. The other was a canvasser that waited upon me some time before. The canvasser's name was Wynn. I was spoken to about my vote by Joseph Green, a canvasser, on the polling day, who asked me who I was going to vote for. I said was going to vote for Cardwell and Turner. He said, why do you not vote ? I said, because, like an old horse, lam waiting for my load. He said they were giving nothing but day's wages. He sent me to vote for Turner and Mackenzie. He said he would make it all right, and we were to go to Mr. Roaett's, on the day after, and get the money. I then consented to go and vote. When we started for the poll we had no tickets given us. We had DO tickets given at all during the day. There were four or five people with us in the car. Two of them were present during the conversation about the day's wages ; one of them was a cousin of mine, James Joynson. He voted also for Turner and Mackenzie. The same was said to him about a day's wages and voting. After we had polled we came back to the coffee-house, and got some refreshment. We staid there about half an hour or three quarters of an hour. We polled about four o'clock. On the following day I went to Mr. Rowett's. I saw Mr. Green there. There was a lot of men there, on the same errand with myself. There was about half a dozen. My cousin was not one of them. IVe asked where we were to go, and we were told to go into Mr. Rowett's office. Green said he had given in a list of our names, and all was right. Green then left, and some time after Mr. Rowett came in. I had not seen him before. When we ascertained that he was there we all went into the office. Rowett asked who Joseph Green was, and we told him. He then ordered us to go out, and to come in one by one. One of our party said to him that Joseph Green was one of the canvassers. We all went into the office one by one. I was the first to go in. Mr. Rowett then began to cross-question me, how I went out of my word, to do me out of my day's lay. But after some con vet. _ _ tion which I do not exactly remember, he pulled me over and gave me 55., my day's pay. When I came out. the others asked me how I had got on. I said it was all right, and told the next to go in. I did not wait, but went about my business . The witness was cross-examined, and it came out that, while railway fares and expenses had been paid for him, he knew not by whom exactly he had received in hard cash the sum of 9s. 6d. William Whitby : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Charles Turner, Esq. I voted from the Pontac. I saw a gentleman before I voted. Ido not know' who he was. I have no recollection of him. I was in a bad state of health. I cannot tell what sort of a looking man it was I saw. A man gave me money in the street. I do not know who he was. He asked me had I voted. I said no. I wanted a day's wage. I got into a cab, and voted for Mac kenzie and Turner. I got five shillings paid to me for a day's pay. Ido not know what I had done for 58. Why, of course it must have been for my vote.—[At this stage of the examina tion it was objected to the production of the witness,—that there were two William Whitbys upon the register.—and that, consequently, lie came within the resolution of the committee, and ought not to be produced till that class of cases came on the day previous to the conclusion of the case. It was ultimately agreed, however, that the witness should finish his evidence.]—l got ss. in the street, and got into the cab and went and polled. I did not tell the gentleman who I was going to vote for, nor did he ask me. There was a committee at the Pontac, and I do not know whose committee it was. The walls were placarded with bills in favour of Mackenzie and Turner. At that time he did not speak to me about colour carriers. I heard nothing said about them by anybody—that I can swear. To the best of my recollection I heard nobody speak about them—not personally, by no gentleman. I do not know the gentleman who gave me the ss. I did not see any other person get ss. I did not carry colours that day. I did not work any that day. I am a Joiner, but I have not worked for two years. Cross-examined : I voted on principle for Mr. Turner, and I should have done the same although I had not seen the gentle- man who promised me the same side. he day's piy. I have always voted on William Bland : 1 am a whitesmith, and a freeman of the borough of Liverpool. I voted at the last election for Mr. Turner and Mr. Mackenzie. The committee-room from which I voted was at the head of Albert-street. I know a house called the Derby Arms, kept by Glee. I understood I ought to have voted from a house kept by Mays. I went on the day of the election to the Derby Arms and saw Glee, and he asked me if I intended to vote, and who I intended to vote for. I told him I intended to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. I said I was going to the house of an acquaintance of mine, George Taylor, with whom I had arranged to go and vote. Glee said we would get a day's pay. There was another person with me at the time. His name was James M'Anally, and he was a voter too. Glee told us both that we would have one day's pay. I said I did not come particularly for the sake of money. Mr. Sherlock of the Liverpool Mail, and Mr. Thomas Kaye, of the Liverpool Courier, were next examined, with a view to prove agency. They produced the manuscripts of the adver tisements, including the one which contains the names of the Election Committee of Liverpool. The orders for insertion came from the Constitutional Association•rooms. Mr. Richard Briscoe deposed : I travel for the Ballycollig Gunpowder works. I became clerk to the central committee at the Constitutional Association-rooms. Previously I had been a commission agent. I joined them early in March, arranging with Mr. Buckmaster as to the remuneration which I was to receive. Mr. Edmund Molyneux, I believe, was chair man : Mr. Buckmaster was the secretary. I think Mr. Edward Deane was treasurer. They have a hook of rules in which his name is mentioned. lam not aware that Mr. John Peacock was treasurer during the election: Ido not know who was. I received my remuneration from Mr. Buckmaster. I received instalments: there is a balance, but I never expect to sect it. Moss and Co. were the hankers. In the absence of Mr. Buck master, I was head clerk. Mr. Peacock was in close attend ance, and had the management of the election. There was a placard in the room stating that it was Mackenzie and Turner's committee-rooms. The placard was not put up as early as the week after the meeting of the 2d of April. It was put up, per haps, a month before the close of the election. Those who were most constant in attendance at the rooms were Mr. Thomas Bold, who, I think, was on the committee, Mr. Wm. Fisher, of Redcross-street, Mr. Samuel Moline, but not so frequently, Mr. G. H. Horsfall, the canvassers, Mr. Lawrence Peele, Mr. Thomas Toulinin, Mr. James Tyrer, Mr. Robert Horsfall, Mr. John Buck Lloyd, Mr. William Rowett, who, like the two preceding members, was not oftener present than once in three days, Mr. John Briscoe. These persons brought no information to me. They merely looked in to see how the business of the election proceeded. Sometimes they met a committee, as the election approached, once every other day. There were car, printing, finance, and procession committees. The finance committee consisted of Mr. Deane, Mr. Thomas Bold, and Mr. G. Henry Horsfall. As far as I can recollect, Mr. Peacock had nothing to do with finance. These com mittees did their business in the same room. We had altoge ther three rooms. There were a clerks' room, a committee room, and a small room which Mr. Buckmaster had for the canvassing business. I know the principal canvassers. I know William Buckley Jones; he was not chairman of a ward committee that I know. John Briscoe was a ward chairman. I am not aware that the expenses of the ward conunittees were paid weekly .by the central committee, and I was there for three months. I sat in the committee-room, very little in the clerks'. On my oath I have not heard any thing about the expenses of the ward committees being paid from the central office. I cannot undertake to swear that they were not paid ; but neither can I say that they were paid. I do not know of any chairman of the Ward Committee coming to the committee-rooms to have the accounts settled. I understand the Messrs. Moss were bankers, simply from seeing their names in the rules of the Constitutional Association. I have no reason to bel•eve that they were bankers of the Central Committee. Ido not. know who was treasurer of the Central Committee. Ido not know that any one brought money from the bank. I never did go to fetch money periodically as it was wanted to pay the current expenses. I never saw a cheque written while I was there. I have been present at meetings of the committees, but not to my knowledge did the Ward Committees' accounts be sub mitted at the meetings of the Finance Committee. Ido not know of any one whose duty it was to keep a note of the expenditure. Ido not think I ever saw William Buckley Jones more than twice at the committee-rooms. I know he was con nected with the Toxteth-park Ward Committee, being a resi dent in that district. Ido not recollect what he came for to the rooms. People came very frequently to give information, but they never gave any to me. Mr. Roskell was chairman of the Kirkdale division of the Kirkdale and Everton Ward. Mr. Marwood was secretary, Mr. Thomas Dover, I believe, was chairman, and Mr. Thomas Watson vice-chairman, and Mr. Clegg secretary, of Scotland Ward. Mr. Nicholson was chair man of Vauxhall Ward. I do not know that Mr. Clegg had anything to do with the election expenses. Mr. John Briscoe was chairman of the St. Paul's Ward, and Mr. Brookes secre tary. I saw a placard stating that Mr. James Tyrer was chair man of the Exchange Ward, and I know that placards were posted throughout the town, announcing the names of the trea surers and secretaries. In Pitt-street Ward, Messrs. Rigby and Callas were the two chairmen, and Messrs. Thomas Rimmer and Gardner the secretaries. Alderman Cooper was chairman of Great George Ward, and Mr. Gibson one of the secretaries. Mr. M`Keveri,gan Ido not know. In Rodney-street Ward, Mr. Payne was published as chairman, and Mr. Cooper and Mr: Gregory were published as secretaries. I could not swear positively that any of them acted as secretary. I only state it as my belief. I believe that the chairman and secretaries of the IVard Committees were ex officio members of the Consti tutional Association, but I do not know that they were ex officio members of the Central Committee. Some of them called at the office, hut I do not know that they transacted any business. Alderman Parker was chairman of the St. Anne's Ward. Ido not recollect that Mr. Parker was a member of the Band Committee. Mr. Rowett, who lives in the West Derby Ward, came two or three times a-week to the rooms. I know Mr. Winnesley, in the West Derby, but . I i do not think that he acted as secretary in the ward. Mr. :master ma naged the canvassing department; butin I believe i,; brought periodat the secical re taries of the several wards either gave or reports. I do not know M'Keverigan. I know Burchal, but only within a short time. I know Mr. Fisher, foreman to Wm. Buckley Jones, but only since we came to Londo n ; before I did not even know him by sight. I know Mr. Williams, clerk to Mr. Buck Lloyd; but before I came to London I did not know him either by name or sight. Thomas Williams was, I believe, collector for the Constitutional Association. I can't recollect who were the Car Committee. There were Mr. Edward J. Lowe, Mr. J. B. Cooper (the secretary of the Rodney - street Ward), and perhaps half a dozen more whom I do not recollect. I do not remember that there was a committee called a Colour - Band Committee, but there was one organised to arrange a 'ession. I cannot tell you what books were kept. I myself nerally in the committee room to wait upon the electors - s who called for information. The majority of them -egistered. I had the general superintendence of on in the club-rooms —making out circular. 'et which is hand e d me lay - at the Central itanybody asked for it I gave them a copy. l to this document being nut in as Witness ct authority for issuin by Mr. Cardwell's con There rr Mr. MA.CAI books sent to the roon may have been tw. e been 200 or 300 of ;enerally in a drawer. a table, but the bulk was not exposed. I cannot spea , nce, but I should think Mr. Buckr '1 any degree of room, evidence, jus I.7LAY submitted that, as being issued from the to competent for the document to be given in d be the case with a placard posted on THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 1853. on the Saturday night. After I had polled I did not go back to the Royal Oak ; I went to my own house. I did not receive any money during that week or the next from any other person. I was not at the Old Oak that week or the next, except on the polling day. I did not receive any money for any person at the Old Oak from any body. I know Evan Jones ; I received on Saturday ss. for my day's wages. I received it from Jones, who got it from Mr. Storey. I was not present when Storey gave the money to Jones. I know Storey gave it to Jones, because Jones told me on Saturday night. Evan Jones is a shipwright, and worked in our yard. It was from him I first learned that I was to have the ss. It was Evan Jones who gave it me. Storey was in his office at the time. Evan Jones gave me the whole of my wages into my hand from Mr. Storey. He said there was ss. for my day's wages. Evan Jones is a working man in the yard, like myself. Buckley Jones is the master; Storey, the cash-keeper; and Evan Jones, a workman like myself, and the keeper of the public-house. Evan Jones told me the ss. was for the nomination day. By the CHAIRMAN: I did not get paid from Storey's own hands. I was a day and-a-half short of my week's work. By Mr. BALL : Nothing was said to me of paying me for voting at the election before I polled, but heard of it a quarter of an hour before I voted from Mr. Fisher. Had always voted for Mackenzie and Turner, and bad always voted on the same side. Fisher spoke without me asking any question of him. By the CHAIRMAN : Fisher said go and vote and your time will be made good. By Mr. RODIVELL What Fisher said to me had no effect upon my voting. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and Turn er. By the CHAIRMAN: Could not say that all the persons in the yard voted on the same side, John Foulds : I am a freeman and voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. lam a shipwright, but I was not working at the time of the election. I polled from the Old Oak. I came down from the Town-hall. I saw Mackenzie and Turner's procession that day at the Town-hall, and part of it in Great George-street. 1 know Mr. Evan Jones, who keeps the Old Oak, and I saw him walking with the procession at that time. It was a returning body of the procession that was there, and Jones walked out of the body of the procession, and come forward to me. I supposed lie was leading the party, and they appeared to be going to his house. He asked me if I was going to vote, and then would I come and poll from his house. I said yes, I had made no promise, and I'd as lief go and vote from it as anywhere else. I did vote next morning from his house. I went from the Oak to the poll. I went in an omnibus. Other persons, upwards of twelve or fourteen, were there. The whole of them were voters, and the whole of them went up and polled for Mackenzie and Turner. After I had returned from the poll to the Oak I saw Mr. Buckley Jones in a room. He was distributing the favours, red and blue. I don't know if that was Mackenzie and Turner's favours. Blue and red meant Mackenzie and Turner, I believe. I got two, one red and one blue. It was not light blue. I knew some of the voters at the Old Oak by sight; indeed all of them, but did not know their names, although I was aware that they were all voters for Liverpool. 1 saw Mr. Buckley Jones do nothing but distribute favours, and make himself free with the men there. who were under him. He was in and out of the room several times. I remained in the Old Oak a couple of hours. Mr. Buckley Jones was not there all the time, nor longer than five minutes at a time. I did not receive any money at that time; but on Satur day I received from Evan Jones, the landlord of the house, Is. in two half-crown pieces. I got the money from him in one of the apartments. There was no agreement made, and I did not ask him for anything. He did not speak to me, nor did I speak to him. Without it was to remunerate me for my attend ance at his house, I cannot tell what the ss. was for. 1 was appointed to go there on Saturday; it was circulated through out the neighbourhood that the freemen wbo had polled should go up there on Saturday and get the money. The freemen who had voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I can't say who told me. It was rumoured amongst the neighbours, and I heard it from many. It was said publicly that we men who had voted should go up to the Old Oak to receive the money we should have had. We did receive the money. Men who had polled were there while I was present, and I saw Jones give it to about nine. They all got the same, I suppose; at all events, they got something. The whole of them I knew to be voters. Cross-examined : I first heard that I was to go to Evan Jones's on the Saturday before the election. At the time I voted I knew nothing of the ss. I formerly worked in the yard, and he was formerly an old fellow-workman and acquaintance. I said that the public report was that the "freemen" were to go up to Jones's. I thought they were all " freemen." By the CHAIRMAN: When Jones asked me to poll from his house, he said breakfast was provided at his house, but he said nothing about pay. By Mr. FRES Fl FIELD : The procession I saw in Great George-• street, with colours and music, belonged to that part of the town. Richard Richardson: I am a freeman, and polled at the last election from the house of Evan Jones for Mackenzie and Turner. I was working at that time for Mr. Legg. I was paid 7s. 3d. a-day, as we were very busy. We polled about 9 o'clock in the morning, and - went to the booth with a great many more, some of whom were voters and fellow-workmen. I did not do any work at my trade on the nomination day and polling day. I went to the Old Oak on the afternoon of the polling day, when Evan Jones was knocking about and making himself ag►eeable. I received six days' pay from Legg and ss. from Jones on the Monday after the election. I received the cash in Mill-street for my day's work. I did net expect it at the time. No conversation had taken place between us about the ss. No one had asked me for my vote. I went to Evan Jones's because be invited me on the morning of the polling day. I told him who I was going to poll for, and he invited me, and I went to his house, and that was all that took place. By Mr. RODWELL: The ss. came quite unexpected to me. Several others were going about the room as ►ell as Jones, and I rode up to the booth with twenty others. Simon Croft : I am a shipwright. I am a freeman, and at the last election for sfackenzie and Turner I was working at that time for Oats and Miller at the rate of ss. a-day. I voted from the Old Oak between 9 and 10 o'clock in the morning. I did not work at my trade either on the nomination or election days. Evan Jones asked me who I was going to vote for. The day before the election I said to him that he might put my name down, but be was not to depend upon me, for I would not promise. I went to his house, and went afterwards to the booth in the 'bus with some others. William Dodd was the only man I knew. He went with ine there, and he is a fellow. workman of mine. I thought I saw Naylor at the house. I know Charles Burrows there, but he did not go down in the omnibus with me. I saw Owen Jones there, and others whom I did not know. I polled about half-past 9 o'clock, and after wards walked about the town, and after dinner in the afternoon I went back to the Old Oak. I saw Buckley Jones in a 'bus in Mill-street. I did not see him at the Old Oak. Evan Jones, the landlord, paid me my wages. He paid me the amount of 55.-2 s. 6d. in money and the rest in drink. That was done on the Saturday. It was for my lost time on the day..of the election. Cato and Miller's clerk paid me the wages I had worked for. 1 don't recollect what I received. It was only for what I worked, and for nothing else. When Evan Jones paid rqe the 55., not a word pass e d. I wen t t o get i t for my lost tifne. I asked nobody for it. In the course of the week, before the election, he told us we should be made comfortable. He wanted me to put my name down. There were several persons from whom I heard that I was to receive 3s. I and Willie Dodd went to get the 35., and we both got it at the same time. We went there because we had been told by several of the voters. Cross-examined : Evan Jones told me to come there. We were fellow-workmen, and when I said you may put my name down, 1 meant I would come to his house, and nothing about my vote. I have always voted " Red" at previous elections. By the CHAIRMAN : I first heard of it the last day after the polling. Charles Maxwell : I am a shipwright, and was working at the time of the last election for Messrs. Mackey and Miller. I am a freeman, and voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I polled from the Old Oak. After the polling, we returned to the Oak : it was about 3 o'clock when we returned ; I remained till 9 o'clock. Buckley Jones was at the public-house mustering the men to go off in the omnibusses. He said first to the one and then to the other, " Will you come—will you come ?" Mr. Miller paid me my wages that week. He paid me ten days and a quarter. We were making a day and a quarter each day. 6s. 3d. is the wages for a day and a quarter. The sum I re ceived at the end of the week was g - '1 16s. 3d. Evan Jones Paid me on Saturday for the day I was off—that was the polling day. He paid me that on Saturday. No person canvassed me, except some making inquiries. I polled from the Old Oak, because I was invited to come, and was told that I might have a day's wages. Cross-examined : I have always voted " Red," and the ss. did not make me vote for Mackenzie and Turner; I always in tended to vote for them. I expected that, whether I voted or not, I should get the ss. By Mr. WILLIANfS: Did you ever know a voter who got bread, and meat, and ale, and 3s. without voting ? Witness : No, I cannot say that I ever did. Hermann Lott, a person employed in the printing depart ment of thz Liverpool Mail office, with reference to the report of the Amphitheatre meeting of the 3d of April, and the adver tisement connected with that meeting, deposed : I superin tended the printing of the pamphlet report; 5,000 were printed, but Ido not know who paid for them. I occasionally went to the Central Committee's office to get as many orders as possible. I received orders from _Mr. Buckmaster, Mr. Williams, and others. I understood the work would be paid for, and so I was quite satisfied. I was not sanctioned by my employer to go to the committee-rooms for orders. No one else was present when I received the orders. Were the work not paid for, I do not know who Mr. Sherlock would line pro secuted for his money. I could not say who were the accre dited agents of the association, By Mr. W►LLIAMS : I never took proofs . to the Constitutional Association office. By Mr. BALL : The work we did was chiefly the address-bills of Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner to the electors of Liverpool. Could not say whether I was printing for the Constitutional Association or the election committee of the two candidates. The addresses were printed from re-print copy out of a Liver pool paper. Mr. Sherlock recalled: This book contains my account against the committee. 5,000 copies of the pamplet are charged. I received .6200 from Mr. Bold, but as to who I'm to get the balance from, it is not a question for me to find out. During thepast few months I have applied to the Constitutional Associa tion for payment. I have applied to the staff of officials, and I have applied to Mr. Bold, Mr. Buckmaster, and Mr. Cooper. The charges in my Book are down partly to " Election Com mittee," and the rest to " Constitutional Association, per H. Buckmaster." 2SO is still due. I made a general claim to Mr. Bold. I have not two accounts. The charge for the pamphlet is -€25 Os 10d. I did not deliver any bill of particu lars personally ; but one was made up, and I believe a message came to make out the bill immediately. This was done by my manager and my book-keeper. I applied to Mr. Buckmaster at the Constitutional Association for payment. I believe all the risen there are honourable men, and so I felt easy and safe. The items were all placed under one head in the ledger. Neither Mr. Bold nor Mr. Buckmaster have made objections to the amounts which I have charged. In my conversation with Mr. Buckmaster, he intimated to me that the bill had been checked off. Subsequent to the election I have applied several times for the money at the Constitutional Office I applied to Mr. Bold, but the same parties semed to be acting in two capacities, and I could not understand the nature of the connection. When I applied to Mr. Bold, the bill delivered was the subject of our conversation. Mr. Bold was very kind, and brought me down £2.00, and was very sorry that he could not pay the whole of it. lam not aware that Mr. Bold had gone through the bill in detail. In a conversation with Mr. Bold on a sub sequent occasion, he said that I need not be uneasy, as he could refer me to a gentleman who would be responsible for the payment of the account. He mentioned the name of Mr. Horsfall ; but as there are several gentlemen of the same name, I ho d r i s dnot know which be meant. I never called upon Mr. rail. George Taylor : I am a voter for Liverpool ; not a freeman, but a householder. I am a file-cutter. lam acquainted with a man of the name of Tobin. one of Ashley and Co.'s men. I know a person called Bland ; and on the morning of the elec tion some one asked Bland and me who we were going to vote for. Tobin was present at the time. This was in a public house. We said we should vote for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I know 11Plieverigan, who was there at the time; and Bland and me agreed to vote without being paid. We went and voted on the polling day. We did not arrange to have any money. After the election, I made application to IWKeverigan, and asked him whether he would do the same with me that he had done with the rest. This was a month afterwards. He said yes. I went there, understanding we should have a day's pay, the same as the rest. It was Bland who asked M‘Keverigan. I polled from a house in Pitt-street. We went to APKeverigan's house twice, and both times he pro mised to give us the money. The second time Bland spoke. I never received anything. Cross-examined : When first asked for my vote, I said I would vote for Mackenzie and Turner. Nothing was ever pro mised for my vote, and I never asked anything. William Coward : I am a householder at Liverpool, and voted at the last election. I was canvassed by Oxton, and next by Mr. Huntingdon, a flower-dealer, who canvassed me on the taming of the election. Mr. Oxton asked if there were any voters tliere, and he answered yes. I poll e d a bout one o'clock, and seferal other persons polled about the same time. I saw a person named Peter Rice, on the morning of the election, in Park-place. John Collister was there, and Samuel Cockerel. I knew Mr. Arthur Davis, who was foreman to M‘Keverigan. Davis spoke to me, and he said, are you going to vote? if you put your names down, you will have your day's pay. It was not mentioned who I was to vote for. He did not say anything more. I did not see any book at that time, but I saw the book in the evening, when he_put my name down. It was at Jones's, the White Lan, in St.J i iim — e - s - 'ii-sTreet, that he put down - my name. That was on the day preceding the polling day. I know the Vine public-house in Pitt-street, and was at the Vine on the election day before I was at the White Lion, where Davis the inside or outside of the committee rooms, Ultimately, the pamphlet was admitted. Witness : The manuscript advertisements which are pro duced are written partly by myself, by Mr. Buckmaster, and others. By Mr. RODWELL : Besides the gentlemen whom I named, hundreds came into the rooms.of the central committee, many of them for mere gossip. The business part of the committee was conducted by Mr. Peacock and Mr. Bremner. I never attended a ward committee meeting, nor was I present at any of the ward rooms where the gentlemen published as the secre taries were acting in that capacity. The canvass showed a majority for both Messrs. Turner and Mackenzie—a majority for Mr. Turner of at least 2,000, that for Mr. Mackenzie being 1.600 or 1,800. That was three or four days before the election. The map of the routes for the polling day was kept pri va t e , t o keep our opponents from having such a good plan. John Banks: I live at 146, Park-row, Liverpool, and am a voter. Shortly before last election I applied for a situation to a person named Parkhouse, who acted as clerk, I believe, to the committee in the Great George Ward. Parkhouse intro duced me to Mr. Buckley Jones, and told him that I wanted employment. In consequence of what was said, I went to see Mr. Thomas Inman, of the Albert Dock warehouse. I saw him at the committee-room in the Royal Oak at Toxteth-park. I got to be door-keeper, messenger, and partly canvasser. I was so employed nine days. After that Mr. Inman paid me £2 ss. The committee of the Toxteth ward met at the Royal Oak. Mr. Henry Steele was chairman. Mr. Inman was clerk. The gentlemen who were members were Mr. Buckley Jones, Mr. Troughton, Mr. W. H. Horsfall, Mr. J. L. Brewer, and Mr. Wm. Fisher. I saw the members once at the Royal Oak. A card was put up outside the room, stating that it was " Mac kenzie and Turner's committee-room." On the day of the poll another room was taken for the convenience of polling. It was an empty house opposite St. James's Church. The mem bers of the Royal Oak used this empty house. The gentlemen most active in taking the voters in and out were Mr. Inman, Mr. Robinson, and others. By Mr. RODWELL: I was a hatter at one time. I have no business now. When I saw the candidates at the Royal Oak it was a public meeting. That was the only occasion on which I saw them there. There used to be a little confusion there at times, some of the men getting rather rough. Joseph Grooby: lam a voter for Liverpool. I vote as an occupier, not as a freeman. I know Mr. Thomas Williams. He is clerk of the church, and is a sort of messenger or collector for the Constitutional-office. I have known him ten or twelve years. I know Mr. Buckmaster, and I recollect, two months before the election, going to Mr. Buckmaster with Mr. Williams, who introduced me to that gentleman. He asked me if I was a voter and a protec tionist,—one on our side. Williams introduced me not only as a voter, but one as could do a little. Mr. Williams and me have been mixed up with the teetotallers, and knew I had some popularity with the teetotallers, on account of speaking on nearly all sorts of topics ? just as they happened to be the order of the day. He likewise introduced me as a regular brick—one of the right sort, and as a bandmaster and musician. Mr. Buckmaster looked for my name in the voters' list. A person called upon me of the name of Birchen ; but I was not in. I afterwards called at his house in Richmond-row. He said that Mr. Hatch wanted to see me relative to some music. Mr. Hatch is the managing man for St. Anne's Ward; he conducts the municipal election in that ward. Birchall is a broker, and a very active man in the Liverpool Protection Society. He appears to be directed by Hatch to go on messages, Ste. I have seen him at the Pontack. He had, when there, some thing to drink, and went to where a voter was likely to be got, regulating the election and throwing in his meed of assistance. Though I was a teetotaller they treated me very kindly, pro viding me with every species of temperance liquid, and I could have got as much as I liked to call for. I saw Mr. Birchall there and in the street opposite his own house, actively helping in the election, and a time or two I saw him at the Constitu tional Office, busying about the election. When I was there be went into the central committee-office, while I and another had to wait outside. I heard names called, Mr. Buckmaster and others. He desired me to go to the Pontack, and see Mr. Hatch relative to the band. The Pontack public-house is so called from the people in the neighbourhood getting drink upon tick—hence the "Pontack.' (Laughter.) When I went lie recommended me to the Central Committee. He said he should recommend me to the committee, and do his best to the band. I said I knew I could be employed on the other side, but lie said it would be all right. He put my name down. I thanked him and went away. That is all that passed at that time, save that I was to call again. I recollect a stout gentleman being there, whose name I did not know then. He seemed to be similarity employed to Mr. Birchall. I am not positive as to the name of the stout gen tleman, and I have seen him since in Liverpool. I know a person named Manger, but be is not the man I mean. He keeps a temperance coffee-shop. I called at the office of Mr. Hatch two or three weeks before the election. He came down to the bottom of the stairs, and I asked him if he would employ me to canvass for his party. He said that he did not think he could. He had no power vested in himself, but he would use his influence with the Central Committee, and he appointed me to meet him next day at three o'clock, at the committee. There were three or four messengers outside, one of whom went into the office to tell Mr. Hatch that he was wanted. He came out, and he shook his litad, and said he could do nothing for me. I was to call upon him in a few days, and if anything else transpired he would give me employment. I saw him in two or three days at Ashley Brothers, and he told me that I should be employed with another man to receive signatures in the gallery at a meeting in the amphitheatre. We went to that meeting, having been sent from the Central Committee-rooms by Mr. Buckmaster. That meeting was called for the purpose of " expounding largely " on protection—very preponderous, and just like the mighty orations which our friend Wilkins would make. (Laughter.) We had to ask parties to the gal leries to subscribe their names on the blank sheets supplied to us. We used all our " suasions," as the Americans say, to make them sign. I did the speaking, and my companion pro vided pen and ink. I sent in the estimate for providing the music to Mr. Buckmaster at the Central Committee. I left it at the office. Before I took it to the Central Committee I told Hatch that I had it in my power to supply them with all the bands that they would require. It being now a quarter to four o'clock, the proceedings closed before the last witness had finished his evidence. During nearly the whole of the day Mr. Turner was present, and several members of the house, including Mr. Muntz and Mr. Locke, paid a visit to the committee-room. It transpired in the course of this day's proceedings, that one of the witnesses, Thomas Parkinson, a shipbuilder, who was to be called to prove bribery, had, in a fit of delirium tremens, made away with himself early that morning. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 1. The committee resumed the inquiry at the usual hour, when counsel recalled Joseph Grooby, the bandmaster, who repeated his description of his engagement. Cross-examined : Was engaged professionally, and was ready to play "The Battle of the Boyne," or any other battle tune. His most proficient band was the " teetotal" or " confidential" hand No. 1. (Laughter.) They were what might be termed " good musicians," slow, serious, and sober—but still they played the most lively tunes. It was childish to ask him whe ther he had told any one these bands cost him and though he had said he could speak on almost every topic, it was hardly reasonable to ask him to speak upon that. The learned counsel ought to know better than to ask him such a question. Did not himself play either the drum or the trombone, nor on all the vio lins at once. The question of the learned counsel showed that lie was no musician. (Laughter.) He sometimes played on the violins and smaller fry of instruments—the cymbals, cornets, and those things, and supplied music by contract. His confi dential band No.l was the best band he had, and the Zoological band—(laughter)—the band that played at the Zoological Gar dens before the wild beasts was the next best ; and the third, a tolerably good 'un, was the temperance or New Church band. (Laughter.) Could not swear how many voters there were in confidential band No. 1, but there were fifteen musicians; and he heard that one them, William Harrison, who was a drum mer, and kept the Harmonic Assembly-rooms, at the bottom of Suffolk-street, voted for Turner and Mackenzie. Could not swear bow many of the men in the Zoological and New Church bands voted. Some disputes took place among the other bands in Liverpool, the men being mixed up in politics, and they re fused to play for witness's party, and he had to select some of the men from Southport. Told the Music Committee that the bands were the best military bands. They were no drum and fife bands, such as accompanied puppet-shows, or like the Pope's brass band in the House of Commons. (Laughter.) They were real military brass bands,and not an instrumentation of fife and drum, fit only for the mob, but a band that played refined airs of music, and something that was victorious like. (Laughter.) About twenty other bandmasters sent in estimates to the music committee besides witness. Stubbs' and Jol liffe's bands were inferior ones. They employed lads where witness employed men ; but they got the same price, £1 per man. It was the New Church band that got alarmed and ran away, but they became collected as soon as they got among the more respectable people, and formed themselves into a tolera bly perfect pandemonium, i. e. harmonium. (Laughter.) The other side, Cardwell and Ewart, had bands and colours. Witness's bands were not distinguished so much by their colours as by their superior sort of music, and he had intended to vote before being paid, but changed his mind after. He was introduced to the music committee as a Protectionist and a " brick," but not as a nineteenth century Protectionist. (Laughter). Mr. JAM ES : Pray, then, from what century do you date your politics ?—Witness : From the next century. Mr. JAMES : Then you are exactly a century a bead of every body else? (Laughter.) Can you fix upon the date when you made up your mind to vote for Turner and Mackenzie?— Witness :As soon as I found it was my interest to vote for the Protectionists. I was induced to do so by the encouragement I met with, and (with peculiar gravity) as soon as that par ticular impression was formed upon my nature, then I made up ray mind to vote. (Laughter.) Mr. JAMES: When was this metaphysical process in your nature effected, Mr. Grooby ?—Witness: I really do not re collect. Mr. JAMES : But surely it is a change you can never have forgotten ?—Grooby : Well, it was between my first introduction to the music committee and the election day. My mind during that period was gradually and imperceptibly made up upon the matter. (Laughter.) He was (said the witness) by avocation, a general agent, and bought and sold land and houses, coffee and other shops, and had a small shop in the confectionary line. Went a great deal about in the temperance coffee-houses, being a teetotaller, and did business there. He believed Joliffe was drunk when lie was turned out of the office. Swore posi tively that he was given £1 per man on condition of voting and using his influence to procure votes for Turner and Mackenzie. Those were the words used by Bremner and Tobin, and it was said in a room in the hearing of thirty persons. Re-examined : Intended to vote for Turner and Mackenzie, if everything went as he wished—that was, if he was employed, and everything went on to his satisfaction. Thomas Walthew : Was a shipwright and freeman, and voted for Mackenzie and Turner. Mr. Fisher, foreman to Mr. B. Jones, Canvassed him shortly before the election, and said, You know, if you give your vote for Turner and Mackenzie, you'll get your day's pay and plenty of refreshments ;" and witness said he would vote for them. Witness was at the Royal Oak on the evening of the nomination day, and saw Fisher, who .said to him, " Tom, you are acquainted with the freemen about here, bring them all down to Hill's, at the Sefton Arms, 30 or 40, or as many as you can." Witness went to Hill's on the polling day, and saw many freemen there, some 18 or 19. Saw Crosby, Underwood, and Robert Cooke there, and Parkinson, but not the man who died the other morning. They had refreshments there—bread and beef, and anything to drink they liked to call for. After witness and the others, some 18 or 20, had polled, they went back by the " bus" to the Sefton Arms, and had more refreshments and a glass of rum. Fisher did not go with him to vote, but remained behind to get more men. He was attending the room and ordering refreshments. Fisher did not mention about the ss. then, but they all knew that it was to be paid. Leech, a freeman, and Mr. John Jones, took witness's name down in a book after he had polled, and told :him to come to the Sefton Arms on the Saturday night for the money. Saw Fisher at the dockyard, and he told him to go and get paid, and said " I am going to Horsfall's to get the money, and I will be there at six o'clock." Witness went to the Sefton Arms and Fisher gave him his day's day—five shilli ngs . He paid _nothing for the refresh ments., he had. Cross-examined by Mr. SMITH : Was working at the time of the election for Mr. Chandler, at five shillings a day, but worked now for different people, as a jobbing shipwright. Did not know what made him put down the names of those he saw at the Sefton Arms, on paper. No one told him to do it. but he did it to jog his memory, because it was said in Liverpool that the election was being carried by money, and that the matter would come to a trial. The paper was a copy of a de claration he signed on coming up from Liverpool. They brought him up last Wednesday, and gave him £1 and a paper. He had had 335. since. Did not pay for his own ticket by rail, nor did they agree to give him so much a day in London. Robert Cooke was a freeman of Liverpool, and a seafaring man. Was a ship-keeper, and voted at the last election for Turner and Mackenzie. Knew Mr. Fisher, Mr. N. B. Jones's foreman, and saw him Noiiiththae greatmorn itanganoyfraturid him. heelectionHaet had top of Stanhope-street, v not seen him before on the subject of voting, but Fisher then asked him if lie would go and poi!, ana witness said he would at eleven o'clock. Knew Fisher before to be a man connected with the red party. Went and polled, and then proceeded to the Royal Oak, and saw Mr. Hal Agate and Mr. Inman in a room, with others, writing. He went to the Sefton Arms on the Saturday following, with Parkinson, at seven or eight o'clock, and had the ss. paid him. Parkinson had also ss. Richard Fisher paid them • and Parkinson sa i d to F isher, "This ((mining witness) is the man who polled on our side," and Fisher then paid him ss. _ . Cross-examined :—His wages were ss. a day. Had always voted red, and always would. Richard Cooke was a shipwright, and had voted a number of years at Liverpool. First voted forty years ago for Lennard, and had voted at all elections since, and at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. Did not know who canvassed him, but he went up on his own account to the committee-room, where business was done at the Royal Oak, Toxteth-park, where voters met together. There was a bill stuck up over it, " Mackenzie and Turner's committee-room." He was there several times, and remembered Mr. Buckley Jones speaking to him about his vote. Saw Mr. W. Fisher there the same even ing, and Jones asked him who he was going to vote for, and witness told him he was going to vote for Mackenzie and Tur ner. He was then in the employ of Cato and Miller. Nothing was said by them about the ss. Mr. Jones said he should not lose his "day's pay," and be told him to go and see Fisher, and lie would tell him what house to come to. This was the day before the election. Cross examined : Always intended to vote for Turner and Mackenzie. Did not sell his vote for 55., nor would lie for 20s. Had not the least notion he was doing this, nor had the other men either. If any one had said to him " Come and vote for 55.," he would have knocked them down ; 55. did not pay for his day's work, which was then 6s. a day ; and the men who went to vote lost their day's work, and also the work of the day before. Witness lost 12s. and got only ss. Fisher knew how witness was going to vote before he voted for Turner and Mackenzie. True, he was always a warm "red," and would not have voted for Cardwell if he had .4'5 instead of ss. From what he had seen and read of Cardwell in the paper he did not like him at all—(laughter)—and that feeling prevailed in Liverpool with the other men who voted " red." They were dissatisfied with Cardwell on the navigation laws, and that was the principal reason they and he voted against him. By Mr. FRESHFIELD: Told Mr. Jones how he meant to vote before he said anything about the day's pay. Told the other men to go to the Sefton Arms, but did not say they would get the money. Told them to go because he thought they would get the money as a present. Thomas Crossley, a shipwright and freeman : Voted for Mackenzie and Turner. Was in the Toxteth-park ward, and went to the Sefton Arms. Was told to go there by Fisher the day before the election, who said, " You will vote with me to morrow." Was working for Mr. Major at the time of the election. Mr. Major was a shipbuilder. Fisher said nothing about his day's pay before the election. There was no one at work at the ships on the Wednesday. Mr. Fisher paid him 55., but he could not say if he paid the others the same. Witness voted for Turner and Mackenzie, but he got the ss. for the day's loss of work. Cross-examined : His wages were 6s. at Major's, but he knocked off on the election day. It was his own fault he did,not go back to work, but he had, perhaps, taken a little too much. Had always voted red, and intended all along to vote for Mac • kenzie and Turner. No one had any doubt on which side he would vote. William Dod : Was a freeman of Liverpool, and voted for the " Reds," Mackenzieand Turner, and had always voted " red." Was working for Mr. Cato at the time, on hoard the Laurel, with four other men. Evan Jones kept a beer-shop, and he asked witness if be might put their names down. Witness re fused at first, but afterwards gave his consent, saying, " We may as well give him our names, whether we . go to his house or not." Saw him on the morning he was going to poll. Did not work that day, or the day before, or after. Went to the Oak on the Saturday following, and received Is. 6d. out of the 55., having a little drop of ber there, amounting to 3a. 6d., and it was deducted, and he squared things. Evan Jones's wife gave him the change. By Mr. SMITH : Always voted red, but voted once for Mr. Ewart. It was not the day's pay made him go and vote, as he would not sell his vote for five times ss. Joseph Underwood : Was a freeman and shipwright of Liver pool, in the Canning graving dock. Evan Jonestpoke to him about his vote, and asked him if he was engaged to go to any house to vote. Jones told him if he would go to his house and poll from there he would give him his day's pay. Witness went accordingly and voted. On the Saturday he went for his pay, and Evan Jones gaves him the ss. himself. Cross-examined : Went to Jones's house to oblige him. Had always voted " Red," and had made up his mind to vote for Turner and Mackenzie. This going to Evan Jones's had not a bit to do with his vote. Robert Cooke : a freeman and carpenter of Liverpool. Had voted at two general elections before the last. Was in Toxteth ward, and was in J. Maclane's employment, working on the ship British Queen. Evan Jones said if he would go to his house he would receive a day's wages, ss. He told him be was to poll from there, and he understood he was to have the day's %ages, 55., for the loss of his time. Had made up his mind to vote for Turner and Mackenzie, and if they had put £7,000 or 500 guineas in his hands he would not have polled for the other party. (Laughter.) Jones did not say anything about whom he was going to vote for, as witness had told him. Went again to Evan Jones's in the evening by his own inclination, and to the Oak on the Saturday to get the money, but did not know whether he got the ss. or not, because he was tipsy. Thought he got the ss. but could not say for certain, but found 15d. in his pocket on the Sunday. Did not know if it was in his pocket when he went to Evan Jones's. Could not say if he re ceived the 55., for he was so tipsy that he could not swear it. Managed to get home that night; but could not tell who paid him or whom he saw. William Harris, freeman and shipwright : Voted for Turner and Mackenzie, and went to poll from Evan Jones's, and was working at Mackey and Miller's. Jones was a fellow-workman, and asked him if he would vote from his house, as he would be paid for his election day, and might as well vote from his house as any other. That was the first he heard about being paid. It was on the Monday he told him this. At a quarter-past nine o'clock on the polling day he went to Evan Jones's, but could not say if Jones told him when lie would have the money. He got some money from Jones a week after, on a Sunday morn ing. Did not see any one else receive the same money. Jones gave him ss. He did not ask him to vote, but only to come to his house. Cross-examined: Always voted for the " Red " party, but at the last election but one voted for Manners and Cardwell. Would not have gone to Jones's if he had not asked him. It was to oblige him as a fellow-workman, and the ss. had nothing to do with his vote. Charles Burroughs : Did not vote at the last election, though on the register. Was foreman to Cato and Miller's, shipbuilders. Was paid by weekly wages, but some he received quarterly. Did not receive any money at the Old Oak at the last election. Knew Egan Jones, who kept it. Did not see any people being paid money. No one ever called upon him on the subject of his vote. Had voted at former elections, but there was no particular reason why he did not vote at the last. He had a vote, but they did not want it. Was asked for his vote, but did not give it. They had plenty of votes without bothering him. Cross-examined His only reason for not voting was because he thought it was not required. Left Jones's at twelve o'clock on the polling day, and by that time Turner and Mackenzie were a-head by a large majority. By Mr. BALT.: Jones came and put the Cs. in my hand, and said " good night," and witness did not ask him why he gave it him. By Mr. FRESH FIELD Understood it was a kind of intro duction his going to Jones's house, which was just opened, and a favour on his part to cut up the beef. Witness received is. a day, and .el 6 a quarter, at Cato and Miller's. The committee here adjourned. THURSDAY, JUNE 2ND, The proceedings opened this morning with the examination of James Willett, who deposed : I am a freeman and a black smiths' striker, of Liverpool. I voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. A great many of them canvassed me. I was in- the procession on the nomination day. Mr. Buckley Jones, in whose place I then was employed, did not canvdss me. I polled from Evan Jones's, in Park-street : nobody went with me. I walked part of the way, and rode the rest of it. I did not work at my trade on the polling day. My wages are about 3s. a-day. I got five days' pay at the end of the week, having been off one day. I received my wages at my master's office. The foreman paid me at Williams's public-house. The name of the foreman who - paid me my wages at the end of the election week is John Gillan. I know Storey; lie is a clerk of their concern. He paid money to the foreman, and he divided it among all the hands. I did not receive any money from any body else that week. Cross-examined : I received wages from the same foreman who usually pays me. By the CHAIRMAN: I received 155., and I did not do any work either on the nomination day or the election day. Edward Newton : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and polled at the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I worked for Brady and Johnson. I voted from no house but my own. I polled ill Toxteth ward about two o'clock. I know the Royal Oak, but I was not there either on the polling day or the day before. On the polling day I saw Mr. Buckley Jones in Park street, speaking to some parties ; he did not speak to me. I was paid my wages on the Saturday after the election : I re ceived 145.; that was for six days. I was paid Bs. a-day ; I was a day off in the week : they did not pay me for the day I was off. I had so much piece -work that week it made for both day and piece -work I.ls. I was paid by one of the partners, Mr. Johnson, who usually paid me. I received ss. that week from a person of the name of Jones, who keeps the hotel : I was standing by my door on Sunday when he came up to me, and handed me ss. I asked him what it was for : he said, for tht election, of course. I saw him before I polled ; and, as I worked in the next yard, I saw him several times every day. I spoke to him the day before the nomination ; and, to the best of my knowledge, the election was not spoken about. I did not know he was an active person in the election. I was in his house sometimes; not the day before the nomination. I had some conversation with him on the subject of the election : he asked me what parties I intended to vote for; I said for the Red party. He asked me to come and vote from his house, and I said I did not know whether I would come or not. We had not spoken about the money ; and when he came and gave me ss. I was quite taken by surprise. I did not think anything about it. Cross-examined : I was not canvassed to sell my vote for money. The .41 14s. was paid in the ordinary way for the actual work I had done during that week. I had never made up my mind to vote for the Red party before the election. Thomas Benjamin : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and at the last election voted for Mackenzie and Turner. lam a black smith, and during the election worked for Buckley Jones. I worked on the nomination day, but not on the polling day. I. received 15s. for my week's work. I did not receive a half penny at the end of the week. I might have had ss. for polling, but I left it with the misses of the Oak public-house to pay for the drink I had. Mrs. Evans told me there was ss. given for a day's work the day after the poll. It was all over the town ; I called in and had a pint after my work, and left the Is. to pay the score. The name of the man who keeps the Oak is Evan Jones, and when I speak of the misses, I mean his wife. When I had begun I did not pay for it. When I did not pay for the liquor, while I was drinking out the Is., nothing was said. It was the day after the polling I first heard of the ss. The first drink I had was on the night of the poll, and on Saturday night I went and told her to keep my ss. for the day's wage to pay my score. Cross-examined : I had previously a little score at the Royal Oak, and on the night of the polling I went in and added to it. I had not promised my vote to any one before the poll, although I had been canvassed by people from the town. I went to the polling booth, and voluntarily voted for Mackenzie and Turner. George Jones : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and at the last election polled from the house of Evan Jones, the Royal Oak. I went in a 'bus with other voters. A person named Harrison was there. We went about nine o'clock. After I polled I went back to the Oak again. I knew Mr. Buckley Jones after I came back; he was at the Oak. There were other voters going up from the home to the poll in the same way. They might go in a 'bus most like, but I don't know. I never saw Mr. Jones making arrangements to send the voters up. I remained in the Royal Oak about half an hour, and I only saw Mr. Buckley Jones once. lam a shipwright, and worked at that time for Messrs. Mackey and Miller. I had ss. a day then; now I have 65., wages being better. I did not work on the nomination or election day. I received at the end of the week a week's pay. I received for a lump job I took for Mackey and Miller. We worked night and day to finish a job. The week's wages came to 30s. 1 received that sum from Mackey and Miller's office. Mr. Miller's son or the clerk pay the wages. I can't tell the clerk's name. I know a man named. Griffiths, but he never paid me my wages in my life. Griffiths did not pay me my wages that week. After the polling day I did not receive any money from any person except the 30s. Cross-examined : I did night-work during the election week. We were all knocked off, voters and non-voters, on the election day. In consequence of the arrangement made with our master, he paid us for the full week' s work. The payment of my wages had nothing whatever to do with giving my vote. I did not promise anybody once. I did not generally vote " Red.', Cross-examined : I got a day's pay the week following from Evan Jones, in his own house—it was ss. By Mr. Paget : That was in addition to the 30s. I did not know I was to get them till the middle of the next week. I heard of the ss. from other men, freemen, working in the same yard. Dodd and Simon Croft were parties who told me of the money. I know Newton. He might have polled " Red," but I did not see him. I don't know Thomas Benjamin. I know John Boles; he is an old man, past labour. I saw him at the work. . ..... Oak when I was there. He is' a ship - carpenter , past w I know Richard Richardson, but did not see him at the Royal Oak. By Mr. Smith : It was before the election I first heard of the ss. By Mr. Ball : Nothing was said to me of the money before I voted. Owen Jones lam a freeman, and voted at the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I voted from the Old Oak. I am a shipwright, and at the time of the election I was work ing for Mr. Buckley Jones; I had at that time ss. a day. I walked up to the 0011. I worked on the nomination day, but after nine o'clock 1 knocked off. I did not do more than a quarter of a day's work on th e polling day. I was paid on the Saturday night by the clerk for Mr. Buckley Jones. Storey has been in the habit of paying 'Be for settle time. He Paid me 30s, put down my name on the book. On my way home from the Vine I passed the White Lion. I saw several persons looking through the window of the White Lion, but I do not recollect whether Davis was one of them. I might have seen him, but I will not be sure. When I went into the White Lion I saw Davis. in the house. It was in the room up stairs. Humphrey Smith was with him. When I went into the room, I asked him had he taken our names down ? He said no, but I will. He took down mine, and the names of two other men with me. He took down the names for our day's pay. He said we should get paid, but did not say where we were to go for it, but Mr. M`Keverigan would see us paid. He told me afterwards that he would see M`Keverigan at the yard, and see that we were paid. In consequence of that I went to the yard, and saw Mr. M`Keverigan, who went into the office and gave me a sovereign. Rice was with me, and the sovereign was for me and the other three. I had voted at the time, and I believe the others bad. This was on Tuesday after the election, and we spent the money among us. Cross-examined : lam a householder. I have always voted " Red," and was promised no money for my vote. After the election received this money for lost time. I am a publican and rope-maker. Joseph Hogan: I am a ship-carpenter, and a freeman of the borough of Liverpool. At the time of the election I was work ing for Mackey and Miller. I know M'Keverigan, and saw him on the morning of the election. I don't know that he said anything to me about polling. I rather think he asked me about how I was going to vote. I told him that my mind was made up for Mackenzie and Turner. I worked all that day. I polled for Mackenzie and Turner, and on Saturday night I was paid my full wages by Messrs. Mackey and Miller. I must admit I did receive a day's wages, 55., from Mr. M'Keverigan on the same night, that of Saturday. I got it from him in the street. On the morning of the election he promised me a day's wages. We were together at the time in the neighbourhood of St. James's Church. There was no one present. He gave me ss. for myself; a sovereign was the entire amount given, there being four of us. We were all together. He gave me the sovereign, and I gave them each ss. I can't recollect the names of the other men very well. The others were Thomas Parkinson, George Turton, and William Turton. I might have seen Turton since. I have not seen the other man since. Parkinson is now dead. I did not receive any other sum. Cross-examined : I had promised that Mackenzie and Turner should have my vote long before the election. The money I received several days after the election. Had I not received the Is. I should still have voted for Mackenzie and Turner. Since 1837 I have voted on the same side. Mr. BODKIN : Have yon ever been paid before, or is this the first time? Witness: Once have had money before. At the general election before the last we had a day's wages. Then I voted for Mr. Cardwell, having been led to do so from the false supposition that he was a Conservative. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN: What did you get at Denison's election? Witness: I will not answer that. I am not prepared to answer it. Mr. BODKIN: Did you consider that, in receiving the 55., you were being bribed? Witness : No, certainly not. Mr. FRESIIFIELD: Did you vote in consequence of being offered this day's pay ? Witness: Decidedly not. Joseph Hamilton : I am a freeman, and voted at the last Liverpool election. I was canvassed at the last election by parties for Cardwell and Ewart, but not for Mackenzie and Turner. I am a shipwright, and was employed by Mr. M`Keve rigan. M'Keverigan never spoke to me about how I was going to vote. 1 polled from a public-house called the St. George, in Upper Pitt-street. There were several of us there, and we all walked to the poll in company. I did not work on the nomi nation or polling days. Mr. M'Keverigan paid me ss. of wages that week, on Saturday evening; he paid me other wages. I was not working for M'Keverigan that week, but was employed by Mackie and Miller, for whom I worked the two last days of the week. M'Keverigan paid me the ss. for the election day. A great many men were working for M'Keverigan. He paid me the ss. in the counting-house. I understood that there was ss. to be obtained from the masters for the day we were knocked off. I understood it was to be paid, but by whom I knew not. I heard it among the workmen. Cross-examined: I have always voted for the "Reds," and would not have voted for Cardwell for By Mr. PnoET : I recollect Ewart and Denison's election; did not get any money then. I have a very weak memory, and do not recollect when I was paid, and when I was not. Robert. Sergeant : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I know the Edgehill Coffee-house, and on the morning of the election I was met there by Joseph Green, who asked me to vote for Messrs.. Mackenzie and Turner. He said as how he would give me ss. if I went down next day. I was to go to Mr. Rowett's office. We did not say anything in reply, but merely thanked him. We then, after this conversation, went and voted. We stopped about an hour at the Coffee-house next day, and after wards went to Mr. Rowett's in Water-street. I got ss. front Mr. Rowett. I had not been working for Mr. Rowett that week. I worked for myself. When Mr. Rowett paid me the ss. I was alone with him. It was about two o'clock. Some people, perhaps five or six, were waiting outside the office. A brother of mme was there, and a man called Al`Carthy. We went in one at a time. Ido not know which of the men it was that went in first. We were told to go in one at a time. I (lid not see any list or paper in the room. I saw Mr. Green that day, but did not speak to him. We met him accidentally, and he did not say anything about us going to Rowett's. We met him in Chapel-street, only about half-an hour before we went to Rowett's. Ido not remember Joynson. Cross-examined : I don't know who Mr. Green is, as there are a great many Greens in Liverpool. The Christian name of M`Cartney was Jeremiah. Jeremiah M`Carthy ; I am a voter in Liverpool, and am a ropemaker. I known man called Thomas Sergeant, and I saw a gentleman named Green—a tall, lusty gentleman—in Water street on the morning of the election. Several other persons were along with me. I saw this man called Green go into Rowett's office, in Water-street. I saw those who were with me go into Rowett's office. They went in in regular order, one after another. I went in for William Sergeant's Is. ; he is a brother of Robert Sergeant. When I went in Rowatt asked me what 1 came for. I told him, and he gave me Is. He had a paper before him with what appeared to be a number of names upon it. I could not tell how many names were upon that paper. Before he gave me the Is., he asked me to sign the name, and when I came down stairs, I gave the Is. I had re ceived to Robert Sergeant. I cannot write, so I put my mark to the name. Robert Sergeant is the brother of William Ser geant. Rowett asked me did I get paid for carrying colours. I said yes. He told me that the election would have been over an hour-and-a-half earlier had it not been for me, as I had car ried away the voters, and would not allow them to poll. I was paid for carrying the colours at the Edgehill coffee-house. It being now a quarter to four, when the Speaker goes to prayers, the examination of the witness was closed. The atten dance during the (lay was much less than at the opening of the inquiry, and Mr. Turner was present for a very brief period. FRIDAY, JUNE 3RD. The inquiry was resumed a few minutes after eleven o'clock. The attendance of the public, and those more immediately connected with the enquiry, was at first ex ceedingly meagre; doubtless in consequence of the fact that the evidence of the various witnesses brought forward by the petitioners has been so exceedingly lame and im potent, compared with the reports which were so long and so industriously circulated by the opponents of the members for Liverpool. The first witness called was Jeremiah NlTarthy, who said : I know Mr. Rowett. By the CHAIRMAN: I got the money for William Sergeant, and I gave it to Robert Sergeant. Robert Sergeant was recalled, and said : I saw the witness, M`Carthy, after the election, and drew my brother William's money from him. My brother voted with me. My brother William had told M'Carthy to give it to me. Thomas Allen : I am a ropemaker, and voted for Mac kenzie and Turner in Edge-hill ward. I went direct from my dwelling to Marshall's coffee-house : other per sons were there ; a good many voters, and some non electors. I afterwards went to the ropewalk to see what was going on ; and subsequently, at the coffee-house, saw Mr. Rowett, who asked me what side I was going to vote on, when I said I had not promised it. He said at first, I am very glad to see you this morning, and I hope you'll render us assistance. I went out and gave my vote independent of anybody. After giving my vote, Rowett came and asked me to assist him by going off in a car with some voters who were being taken to the poll. Some ropemakers came up and asked me to have some thing to drink. I told them I had not money. Rowett had asked to see me about another voter named Thomas Allen. He was in the ward near St. James's church ; and I got him to poll. I afterwards went back to the Edge-hill coffee-house, and saw Rowett. That would be at from two to three o'clock in the afternoon. I said to him, " Allen has voted." He asked, " Are you going away ?" I said, " No." He said he should like to see me to the close of the poll. I then went up stairs and drank a glass of gingerette and smoked a cigar. I don't recollect that Rowett spoke to me about any other voter. I recollect a conversation with Rowett as to tickets. As we were taking Allen to the poll, Allen asked for a glass of ale, and Mr. Rowett said, " I have not a shilling about me." He said that, when I asked him if he had money or tickets for refreshment. Allen wanted to know if he would have a day's pay. By Mr. SMITH : He did not ask Mr. Rowed for it. By Mr. PAGET : I asked Rowett if he would give me the day's pay for loss of time. He said, if it is t o be, every man will have it. N ow , I said, " Tom, if the wages are to be paid, don't lose any time after it." I don't believe I have seen Allen ever since. I saw Mr. Rowett a fort night or three weeks after. I don't recollect seeing him a few days after the election. I got money from Rowett a fortnight or three weeks afterwards : it was 10s. 1 got. I kept the 10s. to myself. I was perfectly satisfied with the money : I was compelled to be satisfied. I got it from out of his own pocket. I know that, because I saw him take it out. (Laughter.) On the day of the election I was about the coffee-house at Edgehill, several times. lam a master roper. I superintend the work. On the election mornink I went over my work. When I saw Rowett at the Edgehill Coffee-house, I saw him doing various things—taking men up to vote ; I saw him in a chair, presiding at a table, round which other persons were assembled. I can't say he had any books before him. The house was at times full—people coming and going. I can't say going towards the polling-booth. Many were dodging about the place to see if they could get drink. I can't say I saw persons carrying colours and wearing favors. I did not see Rowett pay money to any person whatever. Cross-examined : I am a householder, and have a rope. walk of my own, employing a few men under me. I had assisted Mr. Rowett at the election. The money I received was not had for my vote. I would not sell my vote. When ho gave me the money he said it was paid out of his own pocket for assisting him. I we n t across and gave my vote independent. Since 1 790 my f a th er has voted on the Red side, and the family have always done so. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. Mr. SMITH : So you are hereditary Reds. (Laughter.) Mr. PAGET : Did you vote in Denison's contest ? Witness : Yes, I did. Mr. PAGF.T : Did you receive any money ? Witness : I received £lO. (Laughter.) Mr. PAGET : On which side did you vote ? Witness : I polled on the " red" side, for Mr. Denison. Mr. PAGET : Did you vote at Lord Sandon's election ? Witness : No, I did not. I think I should have re membered if I had. Mr. PAGET : When were you made a freeman ? Witness : I have been a freeman since 1827. Mr. SMITH : Did you li ve i n Liverpool? • • Witness : No; I resided in Manchester; and the £lO was given to pay my expenses. Thomas Wilson, a freeman, deposed that he was a chairmaker and jobber, and that at the last election he voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I am not employed that I know of by Mr. Birchall in the removing of furni ture. I am certain that he never employed me. T know him. He has a shop, in Richmond.row. He asked me for my vote, in Hanover-street, before the election. He asked me if I was going to vote fur Turner and lgacken zie ; and I said, yes. Something was said about a day's wagegh I said, six shillizip. He then said, if I polled with him I would have my day's wages. I was working at that time for some one whose name I did not knoll, having been engaged at a sale-room. He said to me, 't would be all right. I worked at that time b the boat and I cannot say that I bad worked by the dab fora mont? before that. knew Birchall. When this was talked ofr about the wages, I was told I should go to the committee: room at " The Pontac," in St. A nne ' s W ar d. I Con " say on what day the conversation took place in Hanover: street. It was before the polling day. I went more den than one ; and I saw Birchall there, walking about. I can't answer for him walking about all the.-time in One room. I polled from " The Pontac," and went frem that house to the booth in a car. I don't know who Ha me to go in the car. I was in " The Pontac" from a ll hour to an hour-and-a-half before I polled. Another OUP of the same name as myself wen t i n t h e coac h t o the POIV I went to " The Pontac" after the poll. I'm sure can't say that I saw Birchall there. Next day after that I went to Birchall's place, and got some money—not frol himself, but from his sister. He sent her for change, aP j she gave me ss. She at fi rs t gave me 4 s. • b ut he go; give Tom another shilling. I did no t see a n y o ther ore' there at the time. Cross-examined.—l made up my mind to vote for 31:e• kenzie and Turner before my conversation with Birch and although I had not received the 53. I should Bantle/6 voted for Mackenzie and Turner. John Brown : 1 am a freeman, and a wood turner. voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. voted from " The Pontac." Nobody canvassed me 10 / my vote. I did not see Birchall before the election. ; saw him on the morning of the polling day, but I did Ilf; speak to him. I can't say th a t I saw hi m there 00 tu g morning of the polling. I went from " The Pontiti with Westmore and Talbot, t o th e po lli ng b ooth. I in Castle-street. Talbot and Westmore polled at the ,T el P of Leece-street. I went b ac k t o " Th e Pontac" 0,10 the poll, but I did not go i n . I went elsewhere. 0, impossible for me to tell w h ere 1 went a f ter that. I We „ r to many places—to the top of Mill-lane to a pubs; house—whose name I do not know, and whose landloref name I forget. Talbot and Westmore were with me• b t went next morning to " Th e P on t ac ," and saw Tal bo t there, but did not see Birchall. After that, I never we l : ( to the residence of Birchall, i n Ri c h mon d -row • I k,,i11,6 where he lives. I have recei ve d money from Talbot. morning after the election he gave me 4s. I received it Dale-street; but I never expected to receive it. He t o/ me that Birchall sent it. Ido not know what I got it T e r i John Woods : lam a f reeman an d a labourer. I VOL at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I lf r employed to carry a flag on the day of the nominatioe' I was not employed at all to do it. No one asked meta ~ do it. I went to " The P on t ac ," i n Christian-street, 01' the day of the nomination. I saw a person there vrhote I know only by sight. I asked him to give me a figgi and he told me to go into another room and get one. es,„, put my name down. The fl ags were re d and blue. They might be 40 or 50 carryi ng fl ags . an d i t was very va n walking. I got 55., but I never took the flag hack. lost it. A man took it away f rom me. I went down 0a 0 the morning of the election, a b ou t e l even o ' clock, to "."_.y Pontac," and went in a co ac h t o t h e po ll . I came bro in the coach to "The P on t ac ," an d wa i ted there a iO A minutes. I got no money from any one after that. Sci; minutes before the election I had a conversation with . 0 ' Richard Birchall as to the situation of a watchman. , 1/ 4 said the first vacancy th a t occurre d I s h ould have. get a place a fortnight or three weeks after the electi°l I got 10s. a, week. I went on duty at six o'c.ock, ° o went off at twelve o'cl oc k. I d o not k now the pe g who paid me the ss. for carrying the colours. 0 1 Cross-examined : I ca rr i e d the co!ours all the dilIA the nomination. It was a very h ot d ay, and i t was PP' work. John Bathurst Brown said : I was a tobacconist, at 21 e 3 i Tithebarn-street. Before the election I was canvas& by Mr. Turner, who asked me to vote for him and xi s Mackenzie. I had known Mr. Turner. hesitated i s giving Mr. Turner an answer. The person who vitsj the shop was Galooby. When he left the shop, 1 51- to Mr. Turner I had a favour to ask before I gav e, vote. I asked him could he give me employment. , Turner hesitated for some time, and then my w ife nare''' the Sailors' Home. Mr. JAMES : Did you hear what your wife said ? Witness : Yes. Examination continued : H e sa id h e h a d no i n t er estin the Sailors' Home himself, but he had a friend who M A Before my wife interfered, he said he was not quite he could get anything for me or not. My wife sai°'d you have not interest, nobody has. When she s pokeJ the Sailors' Hom e , h e sa id h e s h oul d speak to his frie-j Mr. James Tyrer, at the Sailors' Home. As soon 0$ $ had got that promise from Mr. Turner, I gave 111 To promise that I should vo t e f or hi m and Mackenzie. .% this conversation I did n o t t e ll M r. T urner anY tkl , about my politics at all. We said nothing a bout politw Mr. Cardwell's name w a s n o t men ti one d . yoMurrp. r M orn A i c s A e t t r o t.A v l o - te : f S o h r o h u i l in d y h o a u d h h a e ve no g t iv p e r n om M i r se . you situation ? (Question objected to). What made you PP" mise to vote for Mr. Turner ? E ll x ri a t m n e i s n s a t : o l n di d it continuedforthe A s a f k t e e r otfhtehe election, situation.at which voted for Mackenzie and Turner, I called upon Mr. Turner and reminded him of his promise. I went with him to Mr. Tyrer. I heard Mr. Turner speak to Mr. Tyrer, and Mr. Tyrer said he would let me have a situation as soon as ever there was an opening. I called upon Mr. Tyra several times afterwards, ever y week, I should think, u P to Christmas, I wro t e t o Mr. Turner, but got no answer' I continued calling upon Mr. Tyrer till Mr. Turner returned to Liverpool. r. tio c n r t o o ss il e e x s a s m rs i . " A e l d a c b k y en m z a j n A d M T E u s r ' n elr,sigantetdbethsearareegtulisii I said it was not binding. I meant I should vote as I thought proper. I did not sign it as if it was binding. told Mr. Beloe so. - - - By Mr. MACAULAY: I received the letter produced before the election. Mr. Turner having acknowledged that the letter sct ig his, it was put in as evidence. It was as follows : Liverpool, sth July, 1852 iit Sir,—l have not forgotten yo ur case , an d I h ave men tione, t o to Mr. Tyrer. At prese n t no thi ng h as b ecome vacant likel) c suit you, but I will conti nue t o k eep i t i n m i nd, and I hope may be able to do something before long. Yours, CHARLES TURNER' Mr. J. B. Brown. Cross-examined : I am a Reformer in polities' . t should certainly h ave vo t e d f or C ar d well and Turne r 1, 4 had adhered to my p r i nc i p l es . M y w if e was pr ese r, during the whol e o f th e conversat i on with Mr. T u rned e ' I should not h ave s i gne d th e requ i s i tion to Turner he" e not been pressed to do it by Mr. Law. I have told 1, 1 , several times —once to Mr. Galooby, a brewer's el, e „ r e t I have once kept a beerhouse, and gave it up, as it did n a g do. It belonged to a person named Rotwell, and it Cdr situate in Edgar-street. I served him. He got fiT''' o ) and I left him —previously shutting up the shop. not in any business now . I t i s three months since 1 " t 1 the tobacconist's shop. l am not w i thout money. I," the Speaker's warrant to come here nearly a month sin, t T never was in prison for debt. I was a t o baccolll t i before I kept a beershop. I had a shop f or 11 years, e°o Mr. Mellor took it from me to make his public-hoe e ', larger. When I spoke t o M r . T urner , I h a d no t P r i ,4 mised my vote. I h a d b een canvasse d severa l t i m es the other party. When th e conversa ti on too k place, I* Turner was in the shop f or a quar t er o f an h our . '; e t wife spoke fast. My w if e m i g h t say th a t s h e was a Pu b f woman, and had se v e ra l c hild ren . Sh e m i g h t say OP T ; was old and infirm, and wanted me to get into the Seil ° oo Home, as I was not capable of hard work. She begse conversation in respect to a situation. She spoke s°7 l , little time to him. I was out during a portion of the c o ld versation. I know what she told him, because she to me. Mr. Turner had b een i n , I b e li eve, fi ve or et minutes before I came in. When I came in, I found ti l o e p, in conversation. My w if e t oo k par t i n t h e convers ati I know Gilooby, and I believe he is here. We apola er , over several times—not while we were drinking tegetl,o, Galooby was with me when I went to give this infer rtl 4, tion. I gave m y ev id ence to some person in Ylet buildings, who took it down ; but I do not know who t et e person was. It wo u ld b e a month ago. I came up PO I with Galooby, and we have been living at No' „ f t' Stafford road, Pimlico. G a l oo by h as never rea d the dance over to me. He has not got it wrote dowe' A ff might have mentioned it t o some persons i n L on d o n. '- wife is here. „ ro ot By Mr. BODKIN : I w a n t e d t o go i n t o th e S a il ors ' as a door-keeper, or any sort of situation of that 0 which I could get. I have been to the Sailors' Home' Q , Mary Brown : I am the wife of the last wite e io Before the last election we had a tobacconist's shePoS Tithebarn-street. I remember si:Nnhrorz.loTnbueur.tn.em:ypcseoermlsfoinihriewattleiciOf shop. That was a fortnight or three weeks before o lo came election. i na Nobody ndrr. T u w r a n s e i r n c n h i e e should Mr.Gi nnhths Galooby a l tuoa placeßoi very di h er a y ovn,bwo c eoo tn a auuer m t dte waso g i g n eeittn a hh. little eirm asmas a iyi f dt t uh e na r uot w s; bo a an r l idn,esdfw.ofiar,s:hsfter outside.. w T u s d r n ao e n n r it: so b of e r ; c0 — :2,41 . 0 0 0 ' ot ll asked me would he vote. 1 said veR, on the and had a large family. My husband and Galooby there was any conversation between my husband erl a .peo Turner before Galooby came in. Galooby revel° IV about ten minutes, and during that time they were t lich thereAi election.r. Turner, were ma Nothingny after s it ahtparticulariaadasa. asked kei id sc e e iso s arii : ;3;3 de When Galooby went, I first mentioned the Sailors' 1 110 twhereh fore believe situation, m af e t r e c r ha A n l t r : Turner had said h e show" J• what he could through the influence of Mr. TY'r e rtlt° Sailors' Home. I do no a t n councillors for our ward. Nothing more passed that ,kit , particular. No particular situation was mentioned• t , know n t o h w at t h h e nt is h a e m i a s na o g n e o r 0 0 ! 0, 0 6 0 4 Turner was there, dare say, from four to half-pa st ' had a good many difficulties about the election tire`d was short of the rent, I paid it, but was not heIP anybody. ot it. Cross-examined : The tobac c o was p a id f or a s we ^ o He has been in diffi cu lti es w ith t ra d esmen ' s bills dodge' the last few months. H e h as no t, w ith my knovo! o ela applied for money from various narties. Galooby not have heard anything that took place. By Mr, BODKIN : Ex ce pt th a t t h ey h a d a converse the By Mr. RODWELL : All that was said abootridea situation was said by me. All that my husband it1 e ,,,i191 1/ "to do about his vote was l e ft t o me . , I h ave a large ' B ill' and I told Mr. Turner that my husband was infirtail 0 0 not capable of hard work. Mr. Turner was fi t y e to!, alma for about five minutes, an d G a l oo by was th e n about ten minutes, during which they had som e ct' about the election. Galoob is a person who C O" about obn ooLut orders. htoemn r dygoe l ni nl ir ut h slf ereb from Inna l% dn l rLzw.i Liverpool ehn u rg r ph n aoi e mno r yl ca mepblarusottml Saturdayi:lgrebereelli was. We were about five minutes in the place 'r took me to, and a gentleman took down my state% ber have been with Galooby all the morning, and ha, brO cr talking to him, but not about the election or 1‘ 11 ;: ok plo c e d, 1 have never spoken to anybody about what tu bu sbal i h e between Mr. Turner and myself, except 03 Y over with whom I talked the matter over. It w as ' t irue. town that we were to get £5 ; but this was no ; olL t 19 never asked for anything ; not even for fivePe i nr co glio wanted my husband to have a situation, and that wag not the 841110 as money. 831 I a rat) em goi pet