The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-07 00:00:00

LIVERPOOL ELECTION PETITION. PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE. FROM OUR OWN REPORTER We published last week, in a second and third edition, a full report of the proceedings before the Select Com mittee of the House of Commons, to the close of Monday, and we now resume the narrative TUESDAY, MAY 3IST, The first witness called was Thomas Cannel], who deposed : I am a householder in Liver pool. I was canvassed for Mr. Cardwell and Mr. Ewart by Mr. Owen, and I told him that if lie could give me a little money I would. I know Joseph Birchall, a furniture-broker, in Rich mond-row ; he canvassed me on the other side, for Mackenzie and Turner, and I told him if he would give me something I would vote for his p ar ty. Th ere was anot h er person came to my yard with Birchall, the one I did not know was a stoutish gentleman. I am a coal-dealer and shoemaker. I told them I wanted something for my vote. Birchall said he was not allowed to give anything. They gave me a half-aovereign. This was a day or two before the election day. The circum stance took place in the yard. A question was asked as to how much I required. I said I wanted another sovereign. Birchall did not say anything. It was the other man, not Birchall, who gave me the half-sovereign. Birchall, however, told the other man to give me the halt-sovereign. He said he would see me the next day about it. I voted for them at the election. Cross-examined : lam not a freeman. I have been a house holder for thirty years ; eight years in Liverpool. When Bir chall and the other gentleman called, he said he was not wil ling, and was not allowed to give me anything. Richard Joynson : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I know the Angel Coffee-house, kept by Mr. Walter ; it is in the West Derby ward. On the polling-day, between twelve and one, I had promised Mr. Edwards, the plumber, that I should vote for Mr. Cardwell, and to others that I should vote for Tamer. The other was a canvasser that waited upon me some time before. The canvasser's name was Wynn. I was spoken to about my vote by Joseph Green, a canvasser, on the polling day, who asked me who I was going to vote for. I said I was going to vote for Cardwell and Turner. He said, why do you not vote ? I said, because, like an old horse, I sin waiting for my load. He said they were giving nothing but day's wages. He sent me to vote for Turner and Mackenzie. He said he would make it all right, and we were to go to Mr. Ronett's, on the day after, and get the money. I then consented to go and vote. When we started for the poll we had no tickets given us. We had no tickets given at all during the day. There were four or five people with us in the car. Two of them were present during the conversation about the day's wages ; one of them was a cousin of mine, James Joynson. He voted also for Turner and Mackenzie. The same was said to him about a day's wages and voting. After we had polled we came back to the coffee-house, and got some refreshment. We staid there about half an hour or three quarters of an hour. We polled about four o'clock. On the following day I went to Mr. Rowett's. I saw Mr. Green there. There was a lot of men there, on the same errand with myself. There was about half a dozen. My cousin was not one of them. We asked where we were to go, and we were told to go into Mr. Rowett's office. Green said he had given in a list of our names, and all was right. Green then left, and some time after lir. Rowett came in. I had not seen him before. When we ascertained that he was there we all went into the office. Rowett asked nho Joseph Green was, and we told him. He then ordered us to go out, and to come in one by one. One of our party said to him that Joseph Green was one of the canvassers. We all went into the office one by one. I was the first to go in. Mr. Rowett then began to cross-question me, how I went out of my word, to do me out of my day's pay. But after some con versation which I do not exactly remember, he pulled me over and gave me 55., my day's pay. When I came out. the others asked me how I had got on. I said it was all right, and told the next to go in. I did not wait, but went about my business . The witness was cross-examined, and it came out that, while railway fares and expenses had been paid for him, he knew not by whom exactly he had received in hard cash the sum of .t°l 9s. 6d. William Whitby : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Charles Turner, Esq. I voted from the Pontac. I saw a gentleman before I voted. Ido not know who he was. I have no recollection of him. I was in a bal state of health. I cannot tell what sort of a looking man it was I saw. A man gave me money in the street. I do not know who he was. Ile asked me had I voted. I said no. I wanted a day's wage. I got into a cab, and voted for Mac kenzie and Turner. I got five shillings paid to me for a day's pay. Ido not know what I had done for 55. Why, of course it must have been for my vote.—[At this stage of the examina tion it was ohjected to the production of the witness,—that there were two William Whitbys upon the register,—and that, consequently, he came within the resolution of the committee, and ought not to be produced till that class of cases came on the day previous to the conclusion of the case. It was ultimately agreed, however, that the witness should finish his evidence.)—l got ss. in the street, and got into the cab and went and polled. I did not tell the gentleman who I was going to vote for, nor did he ask me. There was a committee at the Pontac, and I do not know whose committee it was. The walls were placarded with bills in favour of Mackenzie and Turner. At that time he did not speak to me about colour carriers. I heard nothing said about them by anybody—that I can swear. To the best of my recollection I heard nobody speak about them—not personally, by no gentleman. I do not know the gentleman who gave me the ss. I did not see any other person get ss. I did not carry colours that day. I did not work any that day. I am a Joiner, but I have not worked for two years. Cross-examined : I voted on principle for Mr. Turner, and I should have done the same although I had not seen the gentle man who promised me the day's pay. I have always voted on the same side. William Bland : I am a whitesrnith, and a freeman of the borough of Liverpool. I voted at the last election for Mr. Turner and Mr. Mackenzie. The committee-room from which I voted was at the head of Albert-street. I know a house called the Derby Arms, kept by Glee. I understood I ought to have voted from a house kept by Mays. I went on the day of the election to the Derby Arms and saw Glee, and he asked me if I intended to vote, and who I intended to vote for. I told him I intended to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. I said I was going to the house of an acquaintance of mine, George Taylor, with whom I bad arranged to go and vote. Glee said we would get a day's pay. There was another person with me at the time. His name was James M.'Anally, and he was a voter too. Glee told us both that we would have one day's pay. I said I did not come particularly for the sake of money. Mr. Sherlock of the Liverpool Mail, and Mr. Thomas Kaye, of the Liverpool Courier, were next examined, with a view to prove agency. They produced the manuscripts of the adver tisements, including the one which contains the names of the Election Committee of Liverpool. The orders for insertion came from the Constitutional Association-rooms. Mr. Richard Briscoe deposed: I travel for the Ballycollig Gunpowder works. I became clerk to the central committee at the Constitutional Association-rooms. Previously I had been a commission agent. I joined them early in March, arranging with Mr. Buckmaster as to the remuneration which I was to receive. Mr. Edmund Molyneux, I believe. was chair man : Mr. Buckmaster was the secretary. I think Mr. Edward Deane was treasurer. They have a book of rules in which his name is mentioned. lam not aware that Mr. John Peacock was treasurer during the election: Ido not know who was. I received my remuneration from Mr. Buckmaster. I received instalments: there is a balance, but I never expect to seet it. Moss and Co. were the hankers. In the absence of Mr. Buck master, I was head clerk. Mr. Peacock was in close attend ance, and had the management of the election. There was a placard in the room stating that it was Mackenzie and Turner's committee-rooms. The placard was not put up as early as the week after the meeting of the 2d of April. It was put up, per haps, a month before the close of the election. Those who were most constant in attendance at the rooms were Mr. Thomas Bold, who, I think, was on the committee, Mr. Wm. Fisher, of Redcross-street, Mr. Samuel Holme, but not so frequently, Mr. G. H. Horsfall, the canvassers, Mr. Lawrence Peele, Mr. Thomas Toulmin. Mr. James Tyrer, Mr. Robert Horsfall, Mr. John Buck Lloyd, Mr. William Rowett, who, like the two preceding members, was not oftener present than once in three days, Mr. John Briscoe. These persons brought no information . to me. They merely looked in to see how the business of the election proceeded. Sometimes they met a committee, as the election approached, once every other day. There were car, printing, finance, and procession committees. The finance committee consisted of Mr. Deane, Mr. Thomas Bold, and Mr. G. Henry Horsfall. As far as I can recollect, Mr. Peacock had nothing to do with finance. These com mittees did their business in the same room. We bad altoge ther three rooms. There were a clerks' room, a committee room, and a small room which Mr. Buckmaster had for the canvassing business. I know the principal canvassers. I know William Buckley Jones; he was not chairman of a ward committee thati know. John Briscoe was a ward chairman. I am not aware that the expenses of the ward committees were paid weekly by the central committee, and I was there for three months. I sat in the committee-room, very little in the clerks'. On my oath I have not heard any thing about the expenses of the ward committees being paid from the central office. I cannot undertake to swear that they were not paid ; but neither can I say that they were paid. I do not know of any chairman of the Ward Committee coming to the committee-rooms to have the accounts settled. I understand the Messrs. Moss were bankers, simply from seeing their names in the rules of the Constitutional Association. I have no reason to bel eve that they were bankers of the Central Committee. Ido not, know who was treasurer of the Central Committee. Ido not know that any one brou"ht, money from the bank. I never did go to fetch money periodically as it was wanted to pay the current expenses. I never saw a cheque written while I was there. I have been present at meetings of the committees, but not to , my knowledge did the Ward Committees' accounts be sub mitted at the meetings of the Finance Committee. Ido not know of any one whose duty it was to keep a note of the expenditure. Ido not think I ever saw William Buckley Jones snore than twice at the committee-rooms. I know he was con nected with the Toxteth-park Ward Committee, being a resi dent in that district. Ido not recollect what he came for to the rooms. People came very frequently to give information, but they never gave any to me. Mr. Roskell was chairman of the Kirkdale division of the Kirkdale and Everton Ward. Mr. Nlarwood was secretary, Mr. Thomas Dover, I believe, was chairman. and Mr. Thomas Watson vice-chairman, and Mr. Clegg secretary, of Scotland Ward. Mr. Nicholson was chair man of Vauxhall Ward. I do not know that Mr. Clegg had anything to do with the election expenses. Mr. John Briscoe was chairman of the St. Paul's Ward, and Mr. Brookes secre tary. I saw a placard stating that Mr. James Tyrer was chair man of the Exchange Ward, and I know that placards were posted throughout the town, announcing the names of the trea surers and secretaries. In Pitt-street Ward, Messrs. Rigby and Callas were the two chairmen, and Messrs. Thomas Rimmer and Gardner the secretaries. Alderman Cooper was chairman of Great George Ward, and Mr. Gibson one of the secretaries. Mr. Nl'Keverigan Ido not know. In Rodney -street Ward, Mr. Payne rawerblished as chairman, and yir. Cooper and Mr. Gregory published as secretaries. I could not swear posi t i v ely that any of them acted as secretary. I Only st a t e i t b e lieve that the chairman and secretaries of the Ward Committees were ex officio members of the I do not know Consti tutional Association, but tinte Central Committee. Some of them officio members o not know that they transacted any called at the office, ldo _ was chairman of the S t. Anne' s business. Alderman Park er arke wa a em W e ar ßand Committeed. Ido not recolle that I% r. _ ber of ROVVett,P r who lives in m the West th. 3 ct 1r• t the Derby Ward, came two or three times b• b a-week t I do roo not ms. I think know Mr. Winnesley, in the West Der u o that he acted as secretary in the ward. Mr. Boi:master ma naged the canvassing department; but I belie ve slat the secre • b taries of the several wards either gave in or row , e,t periodical reports. I do not know M`Keverigan. I know B u rch al, but only within a short time. I know Mr. Fisher, foreman to Wm. Buckley Jones, but only since we came to London ; before I did not even know him by sight. I know Mr. Williams, clerk to Mr. Buck Lloyd ; but before I came to London I did not know him either by name or sight. Thomas Williams was I believe, collector for the Con s tit u ti ona l A ssoc i a ti on . I can't recollect who were the Car Committee. There were Mr. Edward J. Lowe, Mr. J. B. Cooper (the secretary of the Rodney-street Ward), and perhaps half a dozen more whom I do not recollect. I do not remember that there was a committee called a Colour r Band Committee, but there was one organised to arrange a I cannot tell you what books were kept. I myself in the committee-room to wait upon the electors io called for information. The • • majority of them gistered. I had the general superintendence of the writing going on in the club-rooms —making out circulars, &c. The pamphlet which is handed me lay at the Central Committee-rooms, and if anybody asked for it I gavethem a copy - - Mr. RODWELL Obi hers wt :nt being put in as By Mr. RODWELL : I bad em. They might have bet rect authority for issuing ,t by Mr. Cardwell's corn. By Mr. MACAULAY : There might have been 290 or 300 of ese books sent to the room. They lay generally in a drawer. 'ere may have been two or three upon a table, but the bulk them was not exposed. I cannot speak with any degree of nfidence, but I should think Mr. Buckmaster saw it. r. MAcAuLii submitted "that, as being issued from the the document to he given in p,..,ia1, Id he tt ith a placard pasted or THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 1853. tee•rooms. Ultimately, the Luc ivaiue ur outsiae o. pamphlet was admitted Witness The manuscript advertisements which are pro duced are written partly by myself, by Mr. Buckmaster, and others. By Mr. RODWELL , Besides the gentlemen whom I named, hundreds came into the rooms of the central committee, many of them for mere gossip. The business part of the committee was conducted by Mr. Peacock and Mr. Bremner. I never attended a ward committee meeting, nor was I present at any of the ward rooms where the gentlemen published as the secre taries were acting in that capacity. The canvass showed a majority for both Messrs. Turner and Mackenzie—a majority for Mr. Turner of at least 2,000, that for Mr. Mackenzie being 1.600 or 1,800. That was three or four days before the election. The map of the routes for the polling day was kept private, to keep our opponents from having such a good plan. John Banks: I live at 146, Park-row, Liverpool, and am a voter. Shortly before last election I applied for a situation to ' a person named Parkhouse, who acted as clerk, I believe, to the committee in the Great George Ward. Parkhouse intro duced me to Mr. Buckley Jones, and told him that I wanted employment. In consequence of what was said I went to see Mr. Thomas Inman, of the Albe r t D oc k warehouse. I saw him at the committee-room in the Royal Oak at Toxteth-park. I got to be door-keeper, messenger, and partly canvasser. I was so employed nine days. After that Mr. Inman paid me ss. The committee of the Toxteth ward met at the Royal Oak. Mr. Henry Steele was chairman. Mr. Inman was clerk. The gentlemen who were members were Mr. Buckley Jones, Mr. Troughton, Mr. W. H. Horsfall, Mr. J. L. Brewer, and Mr. Wm. Fisher. I saw the members once at the Royal Oak. A card was put up outside the room, stating that it was " Mac kenzie and Turner's committee.rooin." On the day of the poll another room was taken for the convenience of polling. It was an empty house opposite St. James's Church. The mem bers of the Royal Oak used this empty house. The gentlemen most active in taking the voters in and out were Mr. Inman, Mr. Robinson, and others. By Mr. RODWELL : I was a hatter at one time. I have no business now. When I saw the candidates at the Royal Oak it was a public meeting. That was the only occasion on which I saw them there. There used to be a little confusion there at times, some of the men getting rather rough. Joseph Grooby : lam a voter for Liverpool. I vote as an occupier, not as a freeman. I know Mr. Thomas Williams. He is clerk of the church, and is a sort of messenger or collector for the Constitutional-office. I have known him ten or twelve years. I know Mr. Buckmaster, and I recollect, two months before the election, going to Mr. Buckmaster with Mr. Williams, who introduced me to that gentleman. He asked me if I was a voter and a protec. tionist,—one on our side. Williams introduced me not only as a voter, but one as could do a little. Mr. Williams and me have been mixed up with the teetotallers, and knew I had some popularity with the teetotallers, on account of speaking on nearly all sorts of topics, just as they happened to be the order of the day. He likewise introduced me as a regular brick—one of the right sort, and as a bandmaster and musician. Mr. Buckmaster looked for my name in the voters' list. A person called upon me of the name of Birch a ll ; b u t I was not in. I afterwards called at his house in Richmond-row. He said that Mr. Hatch wanted to see me relative to some music. Mr. Hatch is the managing man for St. Anne's Ward; he conducts the municipal election in that ward. Birchall is a broker, and a very active man in the Liverpool Protection Society. He appears to be directed by Hatch to go on messages, &c. I have seen him at the Pontack. He had, when there, some thing to drink, nd went to where a voter was likely to be got, regulating the election and throwing in his weed of assistance. Though I was a teetotaller they treated me very kindly, pro viding me with every species of temperance liquid, and I could have got as much as I liked to call for. I saw Mr. Birchall there and in the street opposite his own house, actively helping in the election, and a time or two I saw him at the Constitu tional Office, busying about the election. When I was there he went into the central committee-office, while I and another had to wait outside. I heard names called, Mr. Buckmaster and others. He desired me to go to the Pontack, and see Mr. Hatch relative to the band. The Pontack public-house is so called from the people in the neighbourhood getting drink upon tick—hence the " Pontack." (Laughter.) When I went he recommended me to the Central Committee. He said he should recommend me to the committee, and do his best to the band. I said I knew I could be employed on the other side, but he said it would be all right. He put my name down. I thanked him and went away. That is all that passed at that time, save that I was to call again. I recollect a stout gentleman being there, whose name I did not know then. He seemed to be similarity employed to Mr. Birchall. I am not positive as to the name of the stout gen tleman, and I have seen him since in Liverpool. I know a person named Manger, but he is not the man I mean. He keeps a temperance coffee-shop. I called at the office of Mr. Hatch two or three weeks before the election. He came down to the bottom of the stairs, and I asked him if he would employ me to canvass for his party. He said that he did not think be could. He had no power vested in himself, but he would use his influence with the Central Committee, and he appointed me to meet him next day at three o'clock, at the committee. There were three or four messengers outside, one of whom went into the office to tell Mr. Hatch that he was wanted. He came out, and he shook his head, and said he could do nothing for me. I was to call upon him in a few days, and if anything else transpired he would give me employment. I saw him in two or three days at Ashley Brothers, and he told me that I should be employed with another man to receive signatures in the gallery at a meeting in the amphitheatre. We went to that meeting, having been sent from the Central Committee-rooms by Mr. Buckmaster. That meeting was called for the purpose of " expounding largely " on protection—very preponderous, and just like the mighty orations which our friend Wilkins would make. (Laughter.) We had to ask parties to the gal leries to subscribe their names on the blank sheets supplied to us. We used all our "suasions," as the Americans say, to make them sign. I did the speaking, and my companion pro vided pen and ink. I sent in the estimate for providing the music to Mr. Buckmaster at the Central Committee. I left it at the office. Before I took it to the Central Committee I told Hatch that I had it in my power to supply them with all the bands that they would require. It being now a quarter to four o'clock, the proceedings closed before the last witness had finished bis evidence. During nearly the whole of the day Mr. Turner was present. and several members of the house, including Mr. Munta and Mr. Locke, paid a visit to the committee-room. It transpired in the course of this day's proceedings, that one of the witnesses, Thomas Parkinson, a shipbuilder, who was to be called to prove bribery, bad, in a fit of delirium tremens, made away with himself early that morning. and had voted at all elections since, and at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. Did not know who canvassed him, but he went up on his own account to the committee-room, where business was done at the Royal Oak, Toxteth-park, where voters met together. There was a bill stuck up over it, " Mackenzie and Turner's committee-room." He was there several times, and remembered Mr. Buckley Jones speaking to him about his vote. Saw Mr. W. Fisher there the same even ing, and Jones asked him who he was going to vote for, and witness told him he was going to vote for Mackenzie and Tur ner. He was then in the employ of Cato and Miller. Nothing was said by them about the ss. Mr. Jones said he should not lose his "day's pay," and he told him to go and see Fisher, and lie would tell him what house to come to. This was the day before the election. Cross-examined : Always intended to vote for Turner and Mackenzie. Did not sell his vote for 55., nor would he for 20s. Had not the least notion he was doing this, nor had the other men either. If any one had said to him " Come and vote for 55.," he would have knocked them down ; ss. did not pay for his day's work, which was then 6s. a day ' • and the men who went to vote lost their d a y' s wor k, an d a l so the work of the day before. Witness lost 125. and got only ss. Fisher knew how witness was going to vote before he voted for Turner and Mackenzie. True, he was always a warm "red," and would not have voted for Cardwell if he had instead of ss. From what he had seen and read of Cardwell in the paper he did not like him at all — (laughter)—and that feeling prevailed in Liverpool with the other men who voted " red." They were dissatisfied with Cardwell on the navigation laws, and that was the principal reason they and he voted against him. By Mr. FRESHFISLD: Told Mr. Jones how he meant to vote before he said anything about the day's pay. Told the other men to go to the Sefton Arms, but did not say they would get the money. Told thew to go because he thought they would get the money as a present. Thomas Crossley, a shipwright and freeman : Voted for Mackenzie and Turner. Was in the Toxteth-park ward, and went to the..Sefton Arms. Was told to go there by Fisher the day before the election, who said, " You will vote with me to morrow." Was working for Mr. Major at the time of the election. Mr. Major was a shipbuilder. Fisher said nothing about his day's pay before the election. There was no one at work at the ships on the Wednesday. Mr. Fisher paid him 55., but lie could not say if he paid the others the same. Witness voted for Turner and Mackenzie, but he got the sa. for the day's loss of work. Cross-examined : His wages were 6s. at Major's, but he knocked off on the election day. It was his own fault he did not go back to work, but he had, perhaps, taken a little too much. Had always voted red, and intended all along to vote for Mac • kenzie and Turner. No one had any doubt on which side he would vote. William Dod : Was a freeman of Liverpool, and voted for the " Reds." Mackenzieand Turner, and had always voted " red," Was working for Mr: Cato at the time, on board the Laurel, with four other men. Evan Jones kept a beer-shop, and lie asked witness if he might put their names down. Vvitness re fused at first, but afterwards gave his consent, saying, '• We may as well give him our names, whether we go to his house or not." Saw him on the morning he was going to poll. Did not work that day, or the day before, or after. Went to the Oak on the Saturday following, and received Is. 6d. out of the 55., having a little drop of ber there, amounting to 3s. 6d., anti it was deducted, and he squared things, Evan Jones's wife gave him the change. By Mr. SMITH : Always voted red, but voted once for Mr. Ewart. It was not the day's pay made him go and vote, as he would not sell his vote for five times ss. Joseph Underwood: Was a freeman and shipwright of Liver pool, in the Canning graving dock. Evan Jones spoke to him about his vote, and asked him if he was engaged to go to any house to vote. Jones told him if he would go to his house and poll from there he would give him his day's pay. Witness went accordingly and voted. On the Saturday he went for his pay, and Evan Jones wives him the is. himself. Cross-examined • Went to Jones's house to oblige him. Had always voted " Red," and had made up his mind to vote for Turner and Mackenzie. This going to Evan Jones's had not a bit to do with his vote. Robert Cooke: a freeman and carpenter of Liverpool. Had: voted at two general elections before the last. Was in Toxteth. ward, and was in J. Maclane's employment, working on the ship British Queen. Evan Jones said if he would go to his house he would receive a day's wages, ss. He told him he wa,s , to poll from there, and he understood he was to have the day's wages, 55., for the loss of his time. Had made up his mind to vote for Turner and Mackenzie, and if they had put .47,000 or WO guineas in his hands be would not have-polled for the other party. (Laughter.) Jones did not say anything about whom he was going to vote for, as witness had told him. Went again to Evan Jones's in the evening by his own inclination, and to the Oak on the Saturday to get the money, but did not know whether he got the ss. or not, because he was Thought he got the ss. but could not say for certain, but found ltd. in his pocket. on the Sunday. Did not know if it was in his pocket when he went to Evan Jones's.- Could not say if lie re ceived the 55., for he was so tipsy that he could not swear it. Managed to get home that night ; but could not tell who paid him or whom he saw. William Harris, freeman and; shipwright Toted for Turner and Mackenzie, and went to poll from Evan Jones's, and was working at Mackey and Miller's. Jones was a fellow-workman, and asked him if he would vote-from his house, as-he would be paid for his election day, and might as-well vote from his house as any other. That was the first he heard about being paid. It was on. the Monday he told him-this. Ada quarter-past nine o'clock on the polling day he went to Evan Jones's, but could not say if Jones told him when he-would have the money. He got some money from Jones a week after, on-a Sunday morn ing. Did not see any one else receive the same money , . Jones gave him ss. He did not ask him: to vote, but only to-come to his house. Cross-examined : Always voted for the "Red ''' party, but at the last' election but one voted for Manners , and Cardwell. Would not have gone to Jones's if he had not askedliiin. It was to oblige•him as a fellow-workman, and the ss. hadnothing to do with his vote. Charles Burroughs : Did not vote at the last elections though on the register. Was foreman to Cato and Miller's, shipbuilders. Was paid by weekly wages, hut some he• received quarterly. Did not receive any money at the Old Oak at the last election. Knew Evan , Jbnes,. who kept it. Did not see any people being paid money. No one ever called: upon him on the subject of his vote. Mild voted at former elections, but there was no particular reason why he did not vote at the last. Ile had a vote, but they did not want it. Was-asked for his-vote, but did not give- it. They had plenty of votes without bothering him. Cross-examined : His only reason for not voting was•because he thought it was-not required. Left Jones's at twelve-o'Clock on the polling day, and by that time Turner and Mackenzie were a-head by a large majority. By Mr_ BAIL: Jones came awhput the ss. in my hand,. and said a good night." and witness. did.not ask him why be gave it him. By Mr. FRESHTIELD:. Understood it was a kind of'intro duction hiagoing to Jones's house, which was just opened, and a favour on his part to cut up the beef. Witness received 7s. a day, and..,,516 a quarter, at Cato and Miller's. The committee here adjourned. on the Saturday night. After I had polled I did not go back to the Royal Oak I went to my own house. I did not receive any money during that week or the next from any other person. I was not at the Old Oak that week or the next, except on the polling day. I did not receive any money for any person at the Old Oak from any body. I know Evan Jones ; I received on Saturday ss. for my day's wages. I received it from who got it from Mr. Storey. I was not present when Storey gave the money to Jones. I know Storey gave it to Jones, because Jones told me on Saturday night. Evan Jones is a shipwright, and worked in our yard. It was from him I first learned that I was to have the 53. It was Evan Jones who gave it me. Storey was in his office at the time. Evan Jones gave me the whole of my wages into my hand from Mr. Storey. He said there was ss. for my day's wages. Evan Jones is a working man in the yard, like myself. Buckley Jones is the master; Storey, the cash-keeper; and Evan Jones, a workman like myself, and the keeper of the public-house. Evan Jones told me the ss. was for the nomination day. By the CHAIRMAN: I did not get paid from Storey's own hands. I was a day and-a-half short of my week's work. By Mr. BALL : Nothing was said to me of paying me for voting at the election before I polled, but heard of it a quarter of an hour before I voted from Mr. Fisher. Had always voted for Mackenzie and Turner, and had always voted on the same side. Fisher spoke without me asking any question of him. By the CHAIRMAN : Fisher said go and vote and your time will be made good. By Mr. RODWELL : What Fisher said to me had no effect upon my voting. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. By the CHAIRMAN: Could not say that all the persons in the yard voted on the same side, John Foulds : I am a freeman and voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. lam a shipwright, but I was not working at the time of the election. I polled from the Old Oak. I came down from the Town•hall. I saw Mackenzie and Turner's procession that day at the Town-hall, and part of it in Great George-street. I know Mr. Evan Jones, who keeps the Old Oak, and I saw him walking with the procession at that time. It was a returning body of the procession that was there, and Jones walked out of the body of the procession, and come forward to me. I supposed he was leading the party, and they appeared to be going to his house. He asked me if I was going to vote, and then would I come and poll from his house. I said yes, I had made no promise, and I'd as lief go and vote from it as anywhere else. I did vote next morning from his house. I went from the Oak to the poll. I went in an omnibus. Other persons, upwards of twelve or fourteen, were there. The whole of them were voters, and the whole of them went up and polled far Mackenzie and Turner. After I had returned from the poll to the Oak I saw Mr. Buckley Jones in a room. He was distributing the favours, red and blue. I don't know if that was Mackenzie and Turner's favours. Blue and red meant Mackenzie and Turner, I believe. I got two, ene red and one blue. It was not light Woe. I knew some of the voters at the Old Oak by sight ; indeed all of them, but did not know their names, although• I was aware that they were all voters for Liverpool. I saw Mr. Buckley Jones do nothing but distribute favours, and make himself free with the men there. who were under him. He was in and out of the room several times. I remained in the Old' Ohk a couple of hours. Mr. Buckley Jones was not there all the' time,. nor longer than five minutes at a time. I did not receive any money at that time; but on Satur day I received from Evan Jones, the landlord of the house, ss. in two half-crown pieces. I got the money trom him in one of the apartments. Therewas no agreement made, and I did not ask him for anything - . He did not speak to me, nor did I speak to him. Without it was to• remunerate me for my attend ance at his house, I cannot tell what the Is. was for. 1 was appointed to go there on Saturday; it was circulated through out the neighbourhood that the freemen who had polled should go up there on Saturday and get the money. The freemen who had voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I can't say who told me. It was rumoured amongst the neighbours, and I heard it from many. It was said publicly that we men who had voted should go up to the Old Oak to - receive the money we should have had. We did receive the money. Men who had polled were there while I was present,.and I saw. Tones give it to about nine. They all got the same, I suppose; at all events, they got something. The whole of them"; knew to be voters. Cross-examined : I first heard that r was to go to Evan Jones's on the Saturday before• the election. At the time I voted I knew nothing of the ss. I formerly worked in the yard, and he was formerly an old fellow-workman , and acquaintance. I said that the public report was that the °'freemen" were to go up - to Jones's. I thought they were all "freemen." By the . CHATRNIAN : When Jones asked me to poll from his house, he said breakfast was provided' at his house, but he said nothing about pay. By Mr. FRESHFIELD: The procession rsaw in Great George• street, with colours and music, belonged.to that part of the town - - - - - Richard Richardson : I am a freernatil and polled at the last election from the house of Evan Jones- for Mackenzie and Turner. I was working at that time for - Mr. Legg. I was paid 7s. 3d. a-day, as we were very busy. We polled about 9 o'clock in the - morning, and went to the booth with agreat many more, some ofvvboin were voters and fellow-workmen. I. did not do any work at my trade on the nomination day and'polling day. I went to' the Old Oak on the afternoon of the polling day, when Evan Jones was knocking about and making, himself agieeablc-: P received six days' pay from, Legg and ss. from Jones on the Monday after the election. I' received the cash in Mill-street for my day's work. I did not expect it at the time. No conversation had taken place between iis•nbout the ss. No one had asked me for my vote. I went to Eiran Jones's because lie invited me on the morning of the polling day. I told him who /- was going to poll for, and heinvited me,. and I went to his house, and that was all that took place. By Mr. RODWELL: The ss. came quite unexpected to me. Several others were going about the room as well as• Jones, and I rode up to the - booth with twenty others. Simon Croft lam a shipwright. I am a freeman, and at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner I was working at that time for Oats and Miller at the rate of ss. a-day. I voted from the Old Oak between 9 and 10 o'clock in the morning. I did not work at-my trade either on the nominatiomor election days. Evan Jones asked me who I was going to•vote for. The day before the election I said to him that he might put my name down, but he was not to depend upon me, for would not promise. I-went to his house, and went afterwards-to the booth in the 'bus with some others. William Dadd was the on -y man I knew, He went with me there, and he is a fellow workman of mine. I thought I saw Naylor at thehouse. I know Charles Burrows there, but he did not gcclown in the omnibus with me.- I saw Owen Jones there, and others whom I did not know. I polled about half-past 9 o'clock, and after wards walked about the town, and after dinner in lire afternoon I went back to the Old Oak. I saw Buckley Jones in a'bus in Mill-street. I did not see him at the Old Oak. Wan Jones, the landlord, paid me my wages. He paid me the amount of 55.-2 s. 6d. in money and the rest in drink. That was done on the Saturday. It was for my lost time on the day of the election. Cato and Miller's clerk paid me the wages- I had worked for. 1 don't recollect what I received. It was only for what I worked, and for -nothing else. When 13vanIones paid me the 55., not a word passed. I went to get it for my lost time. 1 asked nobody for it. In the course of the week, before the election, he told us we should be made comfortable. He wanted me to put my name down. There were several persons from wham I heard that I was to receire.-ss. I and Willie Dodd went to get the 55., and we both got it at time. We went, there because we had been told bysseveral of the voters. Cross-examined :.Evan Jones told me to come there. We were fellow-workmen, and when I said you may pu% my name down, I meant ',would come to his house, and nothing about my vote. I have always voted " Red" at previous electrons. By the CHA1R1 , 111.1,7 : I first heard of it the last day after the polling. Charles Maxwell : I am a shipwright, and was-working at the time of the last election for Messrs. Mackey and. Miller. I am a freeman, and voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I polled from the uld Oak. After the polling, we returned to the Oak : it was about 3 o'clock when we returned ; I remained till 9 o'clock. Buckley Jones was at the public-house mustering the men to go off in the omnibusses. He said first to the one and then to the other, " Will you come—will you come?" Mr. Miller paid me my. wages that week. He paid me ten days and a quarter. We• were making a day and a quarter each day. 6s. 3d. is the wages for a day and a quarter. Thesum I re ceived at the end of the week was 16s. 3d.. Evan Jones Paid me on Saturday for the day I was off—that WaS , thepolling day. He paichne that on Saturday. No person tauvassed me, except some making inquiries. I polled from, the Old Oak, because I was-invited to come, and was told that'l might have a day's wages.. Cross-examined: I have always voted "Red," and the ss. did not make me vote for Mackenzie and Turner;. L always in tended to vote for them. I expected that, whether I voted or not, I should get the ss. By Mr. WILLIAMS : Did you ever know a., voter who got bread, and meat, and ale, and 3s. without voting? Witness:: No, I cannot say that I ever did. Hermann Lott, a person employed in the• printing depart ment of the Liverpool Mail office, with reference to the report of the Amphitheatre meeting of the 3d of April,, and the adver tisement connected with that meeting, deposed : I superin tended the printing of the pamphlet report; 5,000 were printed, but Ido not know who paid for them. I occasionally went to the-Central Committee's office to get as many orders as possible. L received orders from Mr. Buckmaster, Mr. Williams, and others. I understood the work would be paid for, ands so.L was quite satisfied. I was not sanctioned by my employer to go to the committee-rooms for orders. No one else was present when I received the orders. Were the work not paid for,, I do not know who Mr. Sherlock would have pro secuted.fcr his money. I could not say, who were the accre ditect agents of the association. By Mr. WALLiAms : I never took proofs-A° the Constitutional Association office. By. Mr. BALL: The work we did was,chiefty the address-bills of Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner to the electors of Liverpool. Could not say whether I was printing, for the Constitutional Association or the election committee of the two candidates. The addresses were printed from re-print copy out of a Liver pool paper. Mr. Sherlock recalled : This book contains my account against the committee. 5,000 copies of the pamplet are charged. I received ..e2OO from Mr. Bold, but as to who I'm to get the balance from, it is not a question for me to find out. During thepast few months I have applied to the Constitutional Associa tion for payment. I have applied to the staff of officials, and I have applied to Mr. Bold, Mr. Buckmaster, and Mr. Cooper.. The charges in my Book are down partly to " Election Coin mittee," and the rest to "Constitutional Association, par H. Buckmaster." £2BO is still due. I made a general claim. to Mr. Bold. I have not two accounts. The charge for the- pamphlet is £26 Os 10d.. I did not deliver any bill of particu lars personally ; but one was. made up, and I believe a message came to make out the bill immediately. This was done by. my manager and my book-keeper. I applied to Mr. Buckmaster at the Constitutional Association for payment. I believe all the men there are honourable men, and so I felt easy and safe. The items were all placed under one head in the ledger. Neither Mr. Bold nor Mr. Buckmaster have made objections td the amounts which I have charged. In my conversation, with Mr. Buckmaster, he intimated to me that the bill had been checked off. Subsequent to the election I have applied several times for the money at the Constitutional Office : I applied to Mr. Bold, but the same parties semed to be acting in two capacities, and I could not understand the nature of the connection. When I applied to Mr. Bold, the bill delivered was the subject of our conversation. Mr. Bold was very kind, and brought me down £2OO, and was very sorry that he could not pay the whole of it. lam not aware that Mr. Bold had gone through the bill in, detail. In a conversation with Mr. Bold on a sub sequent occasion, he said that I need not be uneasy, as he could refer me to a gentleman who would be responsible for the payment of the account. He mentioned the name of Mr. Horsfall; but as there are several gentlemen of the same name, I did not know which he meant. I never called upon Mr. Horsfall. George Taylor : I am a voter for Liverpool ; not a freeman, Ina a householder. I am a file.catter. I am acquainted with a man of the name of Tobin, one of Ashley and Co.'s men. I know a person called Bland ; and on the morning of the elec, tion some one asked Bland and me who we were going to vote for. Tobin was present at the time. This was in a public-. house. We said we should vote for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I know M'Keverigan, who was there at the time; and Bland and me agreed to vote without being paid. We went and voted on the polling day. We did not arrange to have any money. After the election, I made application to M`Keverigan, and asked him whether he would do the same with me that he had done with the rest. This was a month afterwards. He said yes. I went there, understanding we should have a day's pay, the same as the rest. It was Bland who asked M`Keverigan. I polled from a house in Pitt-street. We went to M'Keverigan's house twice, and both times he pro mised to give us the money. The second time Bland spoke. I never received anything. Cross-examined : When first asked for my vote, I said I would vote for Mackenzie and Turner. Nothing was ever pro mised for my vote, and I never asked anything. William Coward : I am a householder at Liverpool, and voted at the last election. I was canvassed by Oxton, and next by Mr. Huntingdon, a flower-dealer, who canvassed me on the morning of the election. Mr. Oxton asked if there were any voters there, and lie answered yes. I polled about one o'clock, and several other persons polled about the same time. 1 saw a person named Peter Rice, on the morning of the election, in Park-place. John Collister was there, and Samuel Cockerel. I knew Mr. Arthur Davis, who was foreman to M`Keverigan. Davis spoke to me, and he said, are you going to vote? if you put your names down, you will have your day's pay. It was not mentioned who I was to vote for. He did not say anything more. I did not see-any book at that time, but I saw the book in the evening, when he put my name down. It was at Jones's, the White Lion, in St. James's<street, that he put down my name. That was on the day preceding the polling day. I know the Vine public-house in Pitt-street, and was at the Vine on the election day before was at the Whit 4 Lion, where Davis put down my name on the book. On my way home from the Vine I passed the White Lion. I saw several persons looking through the window of the White Lion, but I do not recollect whether Davis was one of them. I might have seen him, but I will not be sure. When I went into the White Lion I saw Davis in the house. It was in the room up stairs. Humphrey Smith was with him. When I went into the room, I asked him had he taken our names down? He said no, but I will. He took down mine, and the names of two other men with me. He took down the names for our day's pay. He said we should get paid, but did not say where we were to go for it, but Mr. M'Keverigan would see us paid. He told me afterwards that he would see M'Keverigan at the yard, and see that we were paid. In consequence of that I went to the yard, and saw Mr. M'Keverigan, who went into the office and gave me a sovereign. Rice was with me, and the sovereign was for me and the other three. I had voted at the time, and I believe the others had. This was on Tuesday after the election, and we spent the money among us. Cross-examined: lam a householder. I have always voted " Red," and was promised no money for my vote. After the election received this money for lost time. I am a publican and rope-maker. Joseph Hogan : I am a ship-carpenter, and a freeman of the borough of Liverpool. At the time of the election I was work ing for Mackey and Miller. I know M`Keverigan, and saw him on the morning of the election. I don't know that he said anything to me about polling. I rather think he asked me about how I was going to vote. I told him that my mind was made up for Mackenzie and Turner. I worked all that day. I polled for Mackenzie and Turner, and on Saturday night I ' was paid my full wages by Messrs. Mackey and Miller. I must admit I did receive a day's wages, 55., from Mr. M`Keverigan on the same night, that of Saturday. I got it from him in the street: - On the morning of the election he promised me a day's wages. We were together at the time in the neighbourhood of St. James's Church. There was no one present. He gave me ss. for myself; a sovereign was the entire amount given, there being four of us. We were all together, He gave me the sovereign, and I gave them each ss. I can't recollect the names of the other men very well. The others were Thomas Parkinson, George Turton, and William Turton. I might have seen Turton since. I have not seen the other man since. Parkinson is now dead. I did not receive any other sum. Cross-examined : I had promised that Mackenzie and Turner should have my vote long before the election. The money I received several days after the election. Had I not received the ss. I should still have voted for Mackenzie and Turner. Since 1837 I have voted on the same side. Mr. BODKIN: Have you ever been paid before, or is this the first time? Witness : Once have bad money before. At the general election before the last we had a day's wages. Then I voted for Mr. Cardwell, having been led to do so from the false supposition that he was a Conservative. (Laughter.) Mr. BODKIN: What did you get at Denison's election? Witness: I will not answer that. I am not prepared to answer it. Mr. BODKIN: Did you consider that, in receiving the 55., you were being bribed ? Witness: No, certainly net. Mr. FRESHFIELD: Did you vote in consequence of berg offered this day's pay? Witness: Decidedly not. Joseph Hamilton : I am a freeman, and voted at the last , Li'rerpool election. I was canvassed at the last election by parties for Cardwell and Ewart,. but not for Mackenzie and Turner. I am a shipwright, and was employed by Mr. M`Keve rigan. M'Keverigan never spoke - to me about how I was going to vote. I polled from a public-home called the St. George, in Upper Pitt-street. There were several of us there, and we all walked to the poll in company. I did not work on the nomi nation, or polling days. Mr. M'Keverigan paid me 55. of wages that week, on Saturday evening; he•paid me other wages. I was not working for M'Keverigan that week, but was employed by Mackie and Miller, for whom I worked the two last days of the week. M'Keverigan paid me the Is. for the election day. A great many men were working for M'Keverigan. He paid me the ss: in the counting-house. I understood that there was Is. to be obtained from the masters for the - day we were knocked off. I understood it was to be paid, but by whom I knew not. I heard it among the workmen. Cross-examined: I have always voted for the " Reds," and would not have voted for Cardwell for By Mr. PVGET I recollect Ewart and. Denison's election; did not get any money then. I have a very weak memory, and do not recollect when I was paid, and whew'. was not. Robert Sergeant : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and voted at the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I know the Edgehill Coffee-house, and on the morning of the election I was met there by Joseph Green, who asked me to vote for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. He said as how he would give me ss. if I went down next day. I was to goto Mr. Rowett's office. We did not say anything in reply, but merely thanked him. We then, after this conversation, went and voted. We stopped about an , hour at the Coffee-house next , day, and after wards went to Mr. Rowett's in Water-street. I got ss. from Mr. Rowett. I had not been working for Mt. Rowett that week. I worked for myself. When Mr. Rowett paid me the ss. I was alone with him. It was about two o'clock. Some People, perhaps five or six, were waiting outside•the office. A brother of mine was there, and a man called McCarthy. We went in one at a time. Ido not know which of the men it was that went in first. We were told to go in one at a time. I did not see any list or paper in the room. I saw M. Green that day, but did not speak to him. We met him accidentally, and lie did not say anything about us going to Rowetes. We met him in Chapel-street, only about half-an hour before we went to Rowett's. Ido not remember Joy neon. Cross-examjned :Li don't know who Mr. Green-is, as there are a great many Greens in Liverpool. The Christian name of M'Cartney was Jeremiah. Jeremiah M`Carthp: I am a voter in Liverpool, and am a rope►naker. I know a man called Thomas Sergeant, and I saw a gentleman named Green—a tall, lusty gentleman—in Water street on the morning df the election. Several other persons were along with me. I saw this man called Green go into Rowett's office, in Water-street. I saw those who were with me go into Rowett's office. They went in in regular order, one after another. I went in for William Sergeant's 55.. ;heis a brother of Robert Sergeant. When I went in Rowalt asked me what 1 came for. I told him, and he gave me ss. He had a paper before him with what appeared to be a number of names upon it. I could not tell how many names were won that paper. Before he gave me the 55., he asked me to sign the name, and when I came down stairs, I gave the 56,1 had re ceived to Robert Sergeant. I cannot write, so I put my mark to the name. Robert Sergeant is the brother of William Ser geant. Rowett asked:me did I get paid for carrying colours. I said yes. He told me that the election would have been over an hour-and-a-half earlier bad it not been for me, as•/ had car ried away the voters, and would not allow them to poll. I was paid for carrying the colours at the Edgehill coffee-house. It being now a quarter to four, when th n prayers, the examination of the witness was closed. The atten dance during the day was much less than at the opening of the inquiry, and Mr. Turner was present for a very brief period. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 1. The committee resumed the inquiry at the usual hour, when counsel recalled Joseph Grooby,the bandmaster, who repeated his description of his engagement. Cross-examined Was engaged professional y, and was ready to play "The Battle of the Boyne." or any other battle tune. His moat proficient band wan the "teetotal" or " confidential" band No. 1. (Laughter.) They were what might be termed " good musicians," slow, serious, and sober—but still they played the most lively tunes. It was childish to ask him whe ther he had told any one these bands cost him and though he had said he could speak on almost every topic, it was hardly reasonable to ask him to speak upon that. The learned counsel ought to know better than to ask him such a question. Did not himself play either the drum or the trombone, noron all the vio lins at once. The question of the learned counsel showed that he was no musician. (Laughter.) He sometimes played on the violins and smaller fry of instruments—the cymbals, cornets, and those things, and supplied music by contract. His confi dential band No.l was the best band he had, and the Zoological band—(laughter)—the band that played at the Zoological Gar dens before the wild beasts was the next best ; and the third, a tolerably good 'un, was the temperance or New Church band. (Laughter.) Could not swear how many voters there were in confidential band No. 1, but there were fifteen musicians; and he heard that one them, William Harrison, who was a drum mer, and kept the Harmonic Assembly-rooms, at the bottom of Suffolk-street, voted for Turner and Mackenzie. Could not swear how many of the men in the Zoological and New Church bands voted. Some disputes took place among the other bands in Liverpool, the men being mixed up in politics, and they re fused to play for witness's party, and he had to select some of the men from Southport. Told the Music Committee that the bands were the best military bands. They were no drum and fife bands, such as accompanied puppet-shows, or like the Pope's brass band in the House of Commons. (Laughter.) They were real military brass bands,and not an instrumentation of fife and drum, fit only for the mob, but a band that played refined airs of music, and something that was victorious like. (Laughter.) About twenty other bandmasters sent in estimates to the music committee besides witness. Stubbs' and Jol liffe's bands were inferior ones. They employed lads where witness employed men; but they got the same price, el per man. It was the New Church band that got alarmed and ran away, but they became collected as soon as they got among the more respectable people, and formed themselves into a tolera bly perfect pandemonium. i. e. harmonium. (Laughter.) The other side, Cardwell and Ewart, had bands and colours.. Witness's bands were not distinguished so much by their colours as by their superior sort of music, and he had intended to vote before being paid, but changed his mind after. He was introduced to the music committee as a Protectionist and a "brick," but not as a nineteenth century Protectionist. (Laughter). Mr. JAMES : Pray, then, from what century do you date your politics ?—Witness : From the next century. Mr. JAMES : Then you are exactly a century a head of every body else? (Laughter.) Can you fix upon the date when you made up your mind to vote for Turner and MackensieT— Witness : As soon as I found it was my interest to vote for the Protectionists. I was induced to do so by the encouragement I met with, and (with peculiar gravity) as soon as that par ticular impression was formed upon my nature, then I made up my mind to vote. (Laughter.) Mr. JAMES : When was this metaphysical process in your nature effected, Mr. Grooby ?—Witness; I really do not re collect. Mr. JAMES : But surely it is a change you can never have forgotten 7—Grooby : Well, it was between my first introduction to the music committee and the election day. My mind during that period war) gradually and imperceptibly made up upon the matter. (Laughter.) He was (said the witness) by avocation, a general agent, and bought and sold land and houses, cope and other shops, and had a small shop in the confectionary line. Went a great deal about in the temperance coffee-houses. being a teetotaller, and did business there. He believed Joliffe was drunk when he was turned out of the office. Swore posi tively that he was given £1 per man on condition of voting and using his influence to procure votes for Turner and Mackenzie. Those were the words used by Bremner and Tobin, and it was said in a room in the hearing of thirty persons. Re-examined : Intended to vote for Turner and Mackenzie, if everything went as he wished—that was, if he was employed, and everything went on to his satisfaction. Thomas Walthew : Was a shipwright and freeman, and voted for Mackenzie and Turner. Mr. Fisher, foreman to Mr. B. Jones, canvassed him shortly before the election, and said, "You know, if you give your vote for Turner and Mackenzie, you'll get your day's pay and plenty of refreshments ;" and witness said he would vote for them. Witness was at the Royal Oak on the evening of the nomination day, and saw Fisher, who said to him, " Tom, you are acquainted with the freemen about here, bring them all down to Hill's, at the Sefton Arms, 30 or 40, or as many as you can." Witness went to Hill's on the polling day, and saw many freemen there, some 18 or 19. Saw Crosby, Underwood, and Robert Cooke there, and Parkinson, but not the man who died the other morning. They had refreshments there—bread and beef, and anything to drink they liked to call for. After witness and the others, some 18 or 20, had polled, they went back by the " bus" to the Sefton Arms, and had more refreshments and a glass of rum. Fisher did not go with him to vote, but remained behind to get more men. He was attending the room and ordering refreshments. Fisher did not mention about the ss. then, but they all knew that it was to be paid. Leech, a freeman, and Mr. John Jones, took witness's name down in a book after he had polled, and told :him to come to the Sefton Arms on the and o d r h e f e a e l told himto get to th go omaonnde money, a t n p d a said,wailnldbe t here " Saturday night for the money. Saw Fisher at the dockyard, ntto sl t i h il e lin S g e s ft . on H A e rms and Fisher gave him his o Witness day's day— fivewe at a s six o'clock." o g ' l i o n c g k . t ments he had. pa id nothing for the refresh. Cross-examined by Mr. SMITH : Was working at the time of the election for Mr. Chandl er , at five shillings a day, but worked now for different people, as tn e told him to do it, but ate names of those he saw ibbing shipwright. Did not know what made him put . was said in Liverpool at the Sefton Arms, on paper. N o o he did it to jos his memory, becaus e that the election was being carried by money, and that the matter would come to a trial. The paper was a copy of a de claration he signed on coming up from Liverpool. b ro ught him up last Wednesday, and gave him 41 a andpaper.They He had had 33 5. sin ce. Did not p a y f or his own rail,ticketby nor did they agree to g ive him so much a d ay in London. - Robert Cooke was a freeman of Liverpool, and a seafaring man. Was a ship keeper, and voted at the last election for Turner and Mackenzie. Knew Mr. Fisher, Mr. N. B. Jones's foreman, and saw him on the morning of the election at the top of Stanhope-street, with a great many round him. He had not seen him before on the subject of voting, but Fisher then asked him if lie would go and poll, and witness said he would at eleven o'clock. Knew Fisher before to be a man connected with the red party. Went and polled, and then proceeded to the Royal Oak, and saw Mr. Hallgate and Mr. Inman in a room, with others, writing. He went to the Sefton Arms on the Saturday following, with Parkinson) at seven or eight o'clock, and had the 58. paid him. Parkinson had also ss. Richard Fisher paid them • and Parkinson said to Fisher, "This (meaning witness) is t'he man who polled on our side," and Fisher then paid him ss. Cross - examined:—His wages were 55. a day. Had always voted red, and always would, Richard Cooke was a shipwright, and had voted a number of years at Liverpool, First voted forty years ago for Leurtardi THURSDAY; JUNE 2ND The proceedingS opened this. morning with the examination of James Willett, who deposed::: Lam a freeman and a black smiths' striker,.of Liverpool. I voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. A great many of them canvassed me. I was in the procession on the nomination day. Mr-Buckley Jones, in-whose place I then was- employed, did not canvass me. I polled from Evan Jones's, in Park-street : nobody went with me. I walked part of the way, and rode the restof it. I did not work at my trade on, the polling day. My wages are about 3s. a-day. I got five days' pay at the end of the week, having been off one day. I received my wages at my, master's office. The foreman paid me at Williams's public-house. The name of the foreman who paid me my wages at the end of the election week is John Gillen.. know Storey; he is a.clerk of their concern. He paid money to the foreman, and he divided it among all the hands. 1 did not receive any money. from any body else that week. Cross-examined: I received' wages from the same foreman who usually pays me. By the CHAIRMAN:. L received 155., and I didi not do any work either on the nomination day or the election.day. Edward Newton : I am, a freeman of Liverpool, and polled at the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I worked for Brady and Johnson. I voted from no house-bat my own. I polled in Toxteth ward about two o'clock. know the Royal Oak, but I was not there either on the polling day or the day before. On the polling day I saw .Tr. Buckley. Junes in Park street, speaking to• some parties ; he did not speak to me. I was paid my wages-on the Saturday after the. election I re ceived l 145.; that was for six days. I was Bs. a-day ; I was a day off in the week : they did no t p a y me f or the d a y I was off. I had so mach piece -work that week.it made for both day and piece -work 14s. I was paid by one of the partners, Mr. Johnson, who usually paid me. I received. ss. that week from a person of the name of Jones, who. keeps the hotel : I was standing by my door on Sunday when, he came up to me, and handed me ss. I asked him what it was.for : he said, for the election, of course. I saw him before I polled; and, as I worked in the next yard, I saw him several times every day. I spoke to him the day before the nomination;: and, to the best of my knowledge, the election was not spoken about. I did not know he was an active person in the election. I was in his house sometimes; not the day before the nomination. I had some conversation with him on the subject of the election : he asked me what parties I intended to vote for; I said for the Red patty. He asked me to come and vote from his house, and I said I did not know whether I would come or not. We had not spoken about the money ; and when he came and gave me ss. I was quite taken by surprise. I did not think anything about it. Cross.examined : I was not canvassed to sell my vote for money. The Li 14s. was paid in the ordinary way for the actual work I had done during that week. I had never made up my mind to vote for the Red party before the election. Thomas Benjamin : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and at the last election voted for Mackenzie and Turner. lam a black smith, and during the election worked for Buckley Jones. I worked on the nomination day, bat not on the polling day. received 15s. for my week's work. I did not receive a half penny at the end of the week. I might have had ss. for polling, but I left it with the misses of the Oak public-house to pay for the drink I had. Mrs. Evans told me there was ss. given for a day's work the day after the poll. It was all over the town; I called in and had a pint after my work, and left the ss. to pay the score. The name of the man who keeps the Oak is Evan Jones, and when I speak of the misses, I mean his wife. When I had begun I did not pay for it. When I did not pay for the liquor, while I was drinking out the 55., nothing was said. It was the day after the polling I first heard of the as. The first drink I had was on the night of the poll, and on Saturday night I went and told her to keep my ss. tbr the day's wage to pay my score. Cross-examined 1 had nreviously a little score at the Royal Oak, and on the night of the polling I went in and added to it. I had not promised my vote to any one before the poll, although I had been canvassed by people from the town. I went to the polling booth, and voluntarily voted for Mackenzie and Turner. George Jones : I am a freeman of Liverpool, and at the last election polled from the house of Evan Jones, the Royal Oak. I went in a 'bus with other voters. A person named Harrison was there. We went about nine o'clock. After I polled I went back to the Oak again. I knew Mr. Buckley Jones after I came back ; he was at the Oak. There were other voters going up from the house to the poll in the same way. They might go in a 'bus most like, but I don't know. I never saw Mr. Jones making arrangements to send the voters up. I remained in the Royal Oak about half an hour, and I only saw Mr. Buckley Jones once. lam a shipwright, and worked at that time for Messrs. Mackey and Miller. I had ss. a day then; now I have 65., wages being better. I did not work on the nomination or election day. I received at the end of the week a week's pay. I received for a lump job I took for Mackey and Miller. We worked night and day to finish a job. The week's wages came to 30s. I received that sum from Mackey and Miller's office. Mr. Miller's son or the clerk pay the wages, I can't tell the clerk's name. I know a man named Griffiths, but he never paid me my wages in my life. Griffiths did not pay me my wages that week. After the polling day I did not receive any money from any person except the 30s. Cross-examined : I did night-work during the election week. We were all knocked off, voters and non -voters, on the election day. In consequence of the arran n crement made with our master, he paid us for the full week's work. The payment of my wages had nothing whatever to do with giving my vote. I did not promise anybody once. I did not generally vote "Red." Cross-examined : I got a day's pay the week following from Evan Jones, in his own house—it was ss. By Mr. Paget : That was in addition to the 30s. I did not know I was to get them till the middle of the next week. I heard of the 53. from other men, freemen, working in the same yard. Dodd and Simon Croft were parties who told me of the money. I know Newton. He might have polled " Red," but I did not see him. I don't know Thomas Benjamin. I know John Boles ; he is an old man, past labour. I saw him at the Oak when 1 was there. He is a ship-carpenter, past work. 1 know Richard Richardson, but did not see him at the Royal Oak. By Mr. Smith : It was before the election I first heard of the Is. By Mr. Ball : Nothing was said to me of the money before voted. Owen Jones : I am a freeman, and voted at the last election for Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I voted from the Old Oak. I am a shipwright, and at the time of the election I was work ing for Mr. Buckley Jones; I had at th a t ti me s s . a d a y. I walked up to the poll. I worked on the nomination day, but after nine o'clock I knocked off. I did not do more than a quarter of a day's work on th e polling day. 1 was paid on the Saturday night by the clerk for Air. Buckley Jones. Storey has been in the habit of paying me for some time. He paid me Rs, FRIDAY, JUNE 3RD. The inquiry was resumed a few minutes after eleven o'clock. The attendance of the public, and those more immediately connected with the enquiry, was at first ex ceedingly meagre ; .doubtless in consequence of the fact that the evidence otthe various witnesses brought forward by the petitioners has been so exceedingly lame and im potent, compared , with the reports which were so long and so industriously circulated by the opponents of the members for Liverpool. The first witness called was Jeremiah Wearthy, who said : I know Mr,..Rowett. By the CHAIR..IAN: I got the money for William Sergeant, and I gave it to Robert Sergeant. Robert Sergeant was recalled, and said I saw the witness, M`Carthy, after the election, and drew my brother William'§ money from him. My brother voted with me. My brother William had told] M'Carthy to give it to me. Thomas Allen,; I am a ropemaker, and voted for Mac kenzie and Toner in Edge-hill ward. E went direct from my dwelling to Marshall's coffee-house : other per sons were there ; a good many voters, and some non electors. I afterwards went to the ropewalk to see what was going on ; and subsequently, at the coffee-house, saw Mr. Rowett, who asked me what side I was going to vote on, when•l said I had not promised it. He said at first, I am very glad to see you this morning, and I hope you'll render us assistance. I went out and gave my vote independent of anybody. After giving my vote, Rowett came and asked me to assist him by going off in a car with some voters who were being taken to the poll. Some ropemakers came up and asked , me to have some thing to drink. I told them I had not money. Rowett had asked to see me about another voter named Thomas Allen. Ho was in the ward near St. James's church ; and I got him to poll. I afterwards. went back to the Edge-hilt coffee-house, and saw Rowett. That would be at from two to three o'clock in the , afternoon. I said to him, " Allen has voted." He asked, " Are you going away ? I '' I said, " No." He said he should like to see me to the close of the poll. I then went up stairs and drank % glass of gingerette and smoked a cigar. I don't recollect that Rowett spoke to me about any other voter. I recollect a conversation with Rowett as to tickets. As we mare taking Allen to the poll, Allen asked for a glass of ale, and Mr. Rowett said, " - I have not a shilling about me." He said that, when I asked him if he had money or tickets for refreshment. Allen wanted to know if he would have a day's pay. By Mr. SMITH : He did not ask Mr. Rowett for it. By Mr. PAGET : I asked Rowett if he would give me. the day's pay for loss of time.. He said, if it is to be, every man will have it. Now, I said, " Tom, if the wages are to be paid, don't lose any ticae after it." I don't belie's.% I have seen Allen ever since. I saw Mr. Rowett a fort... night or three weeks after. I don't recollect seeing him a few days after the election. I got money from Roma a fortnight or three weeks afterwards : it was 10s. 1: got. I kept the 10s. to myself. I was perfectly satisfied with the money : I was compelled to be satisfied. I got it from out of his own pocket. I know that, because I saw him take it out. (Laughter.) On the day of the election I was about the coffee-house at Edgehill, several times. lam a master roper. I superintend the work. On the election morning lwent over my work. When ',saw Rowett at the Edgehill Coffee-house, I saw him doing various men up to vote ; I saw h im: in a chair, presiding at a table, round which other persons were assembled. I can't say he had any books before him. The house was at times full—people coming and going. I can't say going towards the polling-booth. Many were dodging about the place to see if they could get drink. I can't say I saw persons carrying colours and wearing favors. I did not see Rowett pay money to any person whatever. Cross-examined : I am a householder, and have a rope. walk of my own, employing a few men under me. I had assisted Mr. Rowett at the election. The money I received was not had for my vote. I would not sell my vote. When he gave me the money he said it was paid out of his own pocket for assisting him. I went across and gave my vote independent. Since 1790 my father has voted on the Red side, and the family have always done so. I always intended to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. Mr. SMITH : So you are hereditary Reds. (Laughter.) Mr. PAGET : Did you vote in Denison's contest Witness : Yes, I did. Mr. PAGET Did you receive any money ? Witness : I received £lO. (Laughter.) Mr. PAGET : On which side did you vote ? Witness : I polled on the " red" side, for Mr. Denison. Mr. PAGET : Did you vote at Lord Sandon's election ? Witness : No, I did not. I think I should have re membered if I had. 111 r. PAGET : When were you made a freeman :-- Witness : I have been a freeman since 1827. Mr. SMITH : Did you live in Liverpool ? Witness : No ; I resided in Manchester; and the £lO was given to pay my expenses. Thomas Wilson, a freeman, deposed that he was a chairmaker and jobber, and that at the last election he voted for Mackenzie and Turner. I am not employed that I know of by Mr. Birchall in the removing of furni ture. I am certain that he never employed me. T know him. He has a shop, in Richmond-row. He asked me for my vote, in Hanover-street, before the election. He asked me if I was going to vote for Turner and Macken. zie ; and T said, yes. Something was said about a day's I said, six shillings. He then said, if I polled with him I would have my day's wages. I was working at that time for some one whose name T did not know. having been engaged at a sale-room. He said to me, it would be all right. 1 worked at that time by the hour, and I cannot say that I had worked by the day for a month before that. I knew Birchall. When this was talked of, about the wages, I was told I should go to the committee room at " The Pontac," in St. Anne's Ward. I can't say on what day the conversation took place in Hanover street. It was before the polling day. I went more days than one ; and I saw Birchall there, walking about. 1 can't answer for him walking about all the time in one room. I polled from " The Pontac," and went front that house to the booth in a car. I don't know who told me to go in the car. I was in " The Pontac" from an hour to an hour-and-a-half before I polled. Another man of the same name as myself went in the coach to the poll. I went to " The Pontac" after the poll. I'm sure I can't say that I saw Birchall there. Next day after that I went to Birchall's place, and got some money—not from himself, but from his sister. He sent her for change, and she gave me ss. She at first gave me 4s. ; but he said, give Tom another shilling. I did not see any other men there at the time. Cross-examined.—l made up my mind to vote for Mac kenzie and Turner before my conversation with Birchall, and although I had not received the ss. I should still hate voted for Mackenzie and Turner. John Brown : lam a freeman, and a wood turner. I voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I Toted from " The Pontac." Nobody canvassed me for my vote. I did not see Birchall before the election. 1 saw him on the morning of the polling day, but I did not speak to him. I can't say that I saw him there on the morning of the polling. I went from " The Pontac" with Westmore and Talbot, to the polling booth. I voted in Castle-street. Talbot and Westmore polled at the top of Leece-street. I went back to " The Pontac" after the poll, but I did not go in. I went elsewhere. It 15 impossible for me to tell where 1 went after that. I went to many places—to the top of Mill-lane to a public house—whose name I do not know, and whose landlord's name I forget. Talbot and Westmore were with me. I went next morning to " The Pontac," and saw Talbot there, but did not see Birchall. After that, I never went to the residence of Birchall, in Richmond-row ; I know where he lives. I have re ce i ve d money from Talot. The morning after the election he gave me 4s. I received it in Dale-street ; but I never expected to receive it. He told me that Birchall sent it. Ido not know what I got It for. John Woods : lam a freeman and a labourer. I voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. I was employed to carr a ag on th day of the nomination. I was not employed at all to do e it. No on e as k e d me to do it. I went to " The Pontac," in Christian -street, on the day of the nomination. I saw a person there•whom 1 know only by sight. I asked him to give me a flag, and he told me to go into another room and get one, and put my name down. The hags were red and blue. There might be 40 or 50 carrying flags, and it was very warm walking. I got 55., but I never took the flag back. I lost it. A man took it away from me. I went down on the morning of the election, about eleven o'clock, to "The Fontac," and went in a coach• to the poll. I came back in the coach to " Tbe Pontac',." and waited there a few minutes. I got no money from any one after that. Some minutes before the election I had a conversation with Mr. Richard Birchall as to the situation of a watchman. Ha ssid' the first vacancy that occurred' I should have. I did' get a , place a fortnight or three weeks after the election. I got 10s. a week. I went on duty at six o'c.ock, and went off at twelve o'clock. I db not know the person who paid me the ss. for carrying the colours. Cross-examined : I carried the colours all the day of the nomination. It was a very hot day, and it was hard work. John Mthurst Brown said : I was-a tobacconist, at 28, Tithebarn.street. Before the election , I was canvassed by Mr. Turner, who asked me to vote for him and Mr. Mackenzie. I bad known Mr. Turner. I hesitated in giving Mr. Turner an answer. The person who was in the shop was Galooby. When he left the shop, I said to Mr. Turner I had a favour to ask. before I gave my vote. I asked him could he give me employment. Mr. Turner hesitated for some time, and then my wife named the Sailors'Flome. Mr. JAMES : Did you hear what your wife said ? Witness Examination continued : He said he hai'me interest in the Sailors' Home himself, but he had a friend who had. Before my wife interfered, he said he was , not quite sure he could get - anything for me or not. My wife said, if you have not interest, nobody has. When she spoke of the Sailors' Hbme, he said he should speak , to his friend Mr. James Tyrer, at the Sailors' Home. As soon as I had got that promise from Mr. Turner, I/ game him a promise that Pehould vote for him and Milzkenzie„ Ia this conversation I did not tell Mr. Turner anything about my polities at all. We said nothing about politics. Mr. Cardwell's name was not mentioned. Mr. MAcAtruvr : Should you have given-Nr. Turner your promise to vote for him had he not promised you a msitisueattioonvo?t(eQfour mr. Turner estion objectel to). What made you pro- Witness : I did it for the sake of the situation.. Examination oontinued : After the election, at which I voted for Mackenzie and Turner, I called upon Iffr. Turner and reminded him of his promise. I went with• him to Mr. Tyrer. I heard Mr. Turner speak to Mr. Tyrer, and Mr. Tyrer said he wo u ld l e t me h ave a s i tua tion as soon as ever there was an ope n i ng . I ca ll e d u pon Tyrer several times afterw ar d s , every wee k, I s hould think, up to continued calling ca l . : l w lin ro g te u t p o on Mr m . Turner, but r bu t t il g l ot u 7 returned to Liverpo o l. answer. Turner 1., jr.-. . Z .i g imu requisx tion to Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner, at the same time I said it was not binding. I meant I should vote as I thought proper. I did not sign it as if it was binding. 1 told Mr. Beloe so. By Mr. MACAULAY : I received the letter- produced before the election. Mr. Turner having acknowledged that the letter was his, it was put in as evidence. It was as follows:-- Liverpool, sth Jtoly, 1852.. Sir,—l have not forgotten your case, and I have mentioned it to Mr. Tyrer. At present nothing has become vacant likely to suit you, but I will continue to keep it in mind, and I hope I may be able to do something before long. Yours, CHARLES- TURNER. Mr. J. B. Brown. Cross-examined : I am a Reformer in politics. I should certainly have voted for Cardwell and Turner if I had adhered to my principles. My wife was present during the whole of the conversation with Mr. Turner. I should not have signed the requisition to 'Darner had I not been pressed to do it by Mr. Law. I have told this several times —once to Mr. Galooby, a brewer's clerk. I have once kept a beerhouse, and gave it up, as it did not do. It belonged to a person named Rotwelli and it was situate in Edgar-street. I served him. He got fined, and I left him—previously shutting up the-shop. I am not in any business now. It is three months since I had the tobacconist's shop. lam not without money. I had the Speaker's warrant to come here nearly a month since. I never was in prison for debt. I vial- a, tobacconist before I kept a beershop. I had a shop for 11 years, and Mr. Mellor- took it from me to make his public-house larger. When I spoke to Mr. Turner,, had not pro mised my. vote. I had been canvassed several times by the other party. When the conversation took place, Mr. Turner was in the shop for a quarter of an• hour. My wife spoke fast. My wife might say thatishe was a poor woman, and had several children. Sloe might say that I was old'and infirm, and wanted me to get into the Sailors' Home, as I was not capable of hard work. She began the conversation in respect to a situation. She spoke some little time to him. I was out during a portion of the con versation. I know what she told him,. because she told me. Mr. Turner had been in, If believe, five or ten minutes before I came in. When Ilcame in, I found them in conversation. My wife took part in the conversation. I know Galooby, and I believe be it here. We spoke it over several times—not while we were drinking together. Galooby was with me when I went to give this informa tion. I gave my evidence to• some person in York buildings, who took it down ; but I; do not know who that person was. It would be a month ago. I came up here with Galooby, and we have been living at No. 13, Stafford-road, Pimlico. Galooby has never read the evi dence over to me. He has. not got it wrote down. I might have mentioned it to some persons in London. MY wife is here. By Mr. BODKIN : I waltad , to go into the Sailors' Homo as a door-keeper, or any sort of sibaation of that kind which I could get. I ham been to the Sailors' Home. e t a b a n m a d t ehhaiend: aaonradlrdgligi family. Mary Brown : I am, the wife of the last witnes.g. Before the last election, we had a tobacconist's shop 11 1 Tithebarn-street. I remember Mr. Turner coming to the shop. That was a fortnight or three weeks before the election. Nobody wasin the shop but myself when he husband and Galooby cam p • afterwards. Mr. Turner asked fr Mr. Brown was in. I said no,. he . was outside. He the o asked me would he vote . . I . saul yes, on the condition Galooby came inor. ahlitinttlae Turner m H u m w i n o , a f l o o r n h e . e A wa p s er a s n on ol n d a ra rn a ed_ in very near together —my husband first. Ido not think there was any conversation between my husband and!Mr. Turner before Galooby came in. Galooby remained about ten minutes, and during that time they were talk ing all about the election. Nothing particular was said. When Galooby went, I first mentioned the Sailors'llerae as a place where there were many situations. Hie said h o should vote for Mr. Turner, after I had asked for the situation,, and after Mr. Turner had said he should (11 what he could th rough the influence of Mr. Tyrer. -8- believe he is a merchant, and that he is a manager of the Sailors' Home. I do not know that he is one of the councillors for our ward. Nothing more passed that was particular. No particular situ a tio n was men ti one d. Mr , Turner was there, I dare say, from four to half-past. ;1,. had a good many di ffi cu lti es a b ou t th e e l ect i on t i me . was short of the rent, I paid it, but was not helped by anybody. Cross-examined : The tobacco was paid for as we got it. He has been in difficulties with tradesmen's bills during the last few months. He has not, with my knowledge, applied for money from various parties. Galooby could not have heard anything that took place. By Mr. BODKIN : Except that they bad a conversation . By Mr. RODWELL : All that was said about the situation was said by me, All that my husband intender' to do about his vote was left to me. I have a large family' and I told Mr. Turner that my husba n d was i n firm, and not capable of hard work. Mr. Turner was with roe alone for about five minutes, and Galooby was there for about ten minutes, during which they had some talk about the election. Galooby is a person who collects orders. When Mr. Turner came in he asked me b e° my husband was, but I do n o t recollect that he spoke about my husband giving any p rom i se . G a l oo by took r o ,. to London from Liverpo o l l as t S atur d a y. There wt:: another gentleman with hi m , b I but I do not know wile i was. We were about fi ve minutes in the place wh ere took me to, and a gentleman took down my statemen n have been with Galooby all the morning, and have - 13 7.. nevertow n that ask e d talking to him, but not about the election or Alr. Tort o 1 have never spoken to anybody about what took husband, between Mr. Turner and myself, except m y huso B ',', with whom I talked the matter over. It was over tut! we e or wanted my husband to have a situation, and. I col' that was not the same u money. w a e n r y e th th in g g e ; nt s t even ; but f t o h r is fi; ' e a p s e e n e c t e t;rridnali