The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1835-09-01 00:00:00

A GRAND SHOW OF DAHLIAS, open to all England, will take place at the LIVERPOOL ZOOLOGICAL GARDENS, on MONDAY and TUESDAY', the 21st and 22d of eptember instant, when the Proprietor, being desirous of ac commodating every class of Dahlia Growers, las determined upon the following scale of Prices, viz., for t Best Pan, con taining 24 blooms, a Silver Cup, value Si. uineas, given by the Proprietor; Second Best, LI ls. ; T ird Ditto, lOs. Gd. For the Best Pan containing Twelve 810 s, £1 Is.; Second Best, 10s. 0c1.; Third, 10s. Gd. For e Best Pan of Six Blooms, 155.; Second Ditto, lOs. ; Third, ss. For the Best Seedling, raised in 1835, 12s. .; Second Ditto, 10s.; Third Ditto, s. 6d.; Fourth Ditto, 55.; Fifth Ditto, 2s. 6d. Prizes for the Classes will be enumerated in the Bills. The Subscription to be regulated according to the number of Blooms shown in each Pan, viz., the First Prize of Twenty-four Blooms, £1 45.; the Second of Twelve Ditto, 12s. • the Third Pan Six Blooms, 65., which will entitle the subscriber to com pete for the Seedlings and the Classes. Nursery men to be ex cluded from showing for the two last Pans. Flowers to be staged by Twelve o'clock on Monday, and the Prizes to be distributed the same day. Subscriptions received at the Entrance Lodge of the Gardens, where an early notice is requested to be sent from those who in tend to subscribe. If by letter, post-paid. In the Evening of each day, the GARDENS will be SPLEN DIDLY ILLUMINATED, and there will be a superb DIS PLAY of FIRE WORKS, by Madame HENGLER, the Artist who gave so much satisfaction the last Gala Nights. Admission, Is. each as usual, with a Subscriber's Order, which Strangers can obtain at the Newspaper Offices. N.B.—A most splendid COLLECTION of PAROQUETS ON SALE, just imported from New Holland. Public )3obt£L► • GAME. • NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the MANOR of WILLASTON, in the hund of Wirral, Cheshire, is strictly PRESERVED, and Persons ound trespassing thereon will be prosecuted. September let, 1835. NOTICE. ripHE Public are respectfully informe hat, by command of 1 the Right Honourable his Majesty' Postmaster-General, the LONDON (EVENING) MAUL w 1, on and after THURS DAY next, the 3d instant, be despatc d from the SARACEN'S FIEAD COACH-OFFICS, DALE-STREET, .iverpool, at a Quarter Est Nine o'clock, P.M.. and willarrive iu London the following vening at Seven o'clock. Passengers travelling by the above Mail are requetded to have their Luggage at the Office before Nine o'clock. In consequence of the acceleration in Ahe speed, and the delay occasioned by taking up Luggage oil the Road, none will be permitted to be taken up after the mai is despatched. BW. BRETHERTON and Co., Contractors. LIVERPOOL . CONSERVATIVE REGISTRATION ASSOCIATION. ALL CONSERVATIVES are earnestly requested to ex , amine the Lists of Claims- and Objections which will be fixed on the Doors of the Churches and Chapels on SUNDAY, the 6th, and SUNDAY, the 13th day of September next'; by the Overseers of the Parish of Liverpool, and of the seve 1 ToWn ships within the Parliamentary Borough. Also, e List of Freemen objected to, which will be fixed in front the Town• hall on the above Sundays. The Revising Barristers will hold their Cou tween the 15th day of September and the 25t of which public notice will be given, and Co , objected to should attend and substantiate t will be Struck Off the Lists of Voters. Lists of those Occupiers and Freemen who have been ob. jected to will lie for inspection on and after Saturday, the sth day of September, at the following places :—The Standard office, St. George's-crescent; the Courier-office, and Messrs. Mawdsley's, Castle street, and at the Conservative Registration Association Office, 8, India-buildings, Fenwick-street. Every information and assistance will be given to Conserva tives as to the course to be adopted with reference to claims and objections on application at the above office. By order, PETER WRIGHT, THOMAS CARSON, Solicitors to the JOHN PENINGTON, Association. Conservative Registration Associationarce, 8, India-buildings, 31st A ugus t, 1 . . some time be :day of October, iervatives who are ieir claims or they PARISH OF LIVERPOOL. THE SITUATION of LAW CLERK to t h Commission ers of Watch, S c a v e ngers , an d L amp ax i ng b ecome iiirt li Vacant by the Death of the l a t e P eter Woo , Esq., it was Re solved at a Meeting of the Commissioners, eld This Day, that the appointment of a Successor take place on FRIDAY next, and that applications be sent to the Watch, &c. Office, No. 1, Fen wick-street, on or before Thursday, the 3d of September. 28th August, 1835. W. A. SMITH, Chairman. BOROUGH COURT of LIVERPOOL. JAMES ASPIN ALL, Esquire, ayor. AMBROSE LACE, AND Esqui .s, Bailiffs. JAMES POWNALL, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIV ,N,t t a COURT of PAS SAGE, for the TRIAL of CA ES depending in the said Court, will be held before the said Mayor and Bailiffs, in the Court-room, within the Sessions-house, in Chapel-street, in the said Borough, an Thursday th e 10 t h day of September next, at Ten o'Clock in the Forenoon, of which the Attorneys of the said Court are required to take notice. 27th August, 183.5. FOSTER, Town Clerk. o i LIVERPOOL DOCK . Dock Office, Liverpool, August 25th 1835. WHEREAS NUMEROUS FR A DS AND' EVA SIONS, in the Payment of lijo - Rates and Duties upon Goods have lately been discover for which several con victions have taken place before he Magistrates ; and the Dock Committee having reason to believe that the practice of making false entries of vessels' cargoes has been carried to a great extent, republish the following extracts from the Dock Acts, for the information of all persons liable to the payment of the said Rates and Duties ; and hereby announce their deter mination to use every exertion to detect and prosecute to con viction all persons so endeavouring to evade the payment of the said Rates and Duties, and to obtain the infliction of the foil penalty for every such offence. By order Of the Dock Committee, WILLIAM FOSTER, Secretary. . . EXTRACTS FROM THE LIVERPOOL DOCK ACTS. Penalties on evading Rates, 51 Geo. 3d, Sec. 21. And be it further enacted ' that if any M a st er , O wner or Own era, or persons having the charge or command of any Ship or other Vessel, or any Owner or Owners, Consignee or Consignees, or auy other person or persons, owning, or having charge of any Goods, Wares, or Merchandises, imported into or exported out _ of the said port as aforesaid, shall by auy means whatsoever, at any time or times, elude or evade the payment of the Rates and Duties hereby made payable, or any part thereof ; each and ever Y-person eluding or evading payment as aforesaid, shall stand charged with, and forfeit and pay, over and besides such ' Rste; and Unties, a sum of Money equal to the Rates or Dutiei so eluded or evaded; and such sum shall, and may be recovered from such Master, Owner or Owners, Consignee or Consignees, or other person or persons respectively, by the same ways and means, and in such manner as hereinafter directed for levying and recovering any of the penalties and forfeitures by this act, or any of the said former acts inflicted or authorised to be imposed. • Inflicting a Penalty on Persons evading Payment o f th e D ut i es, 53 Geo. 3d, Sec. 15. And, whereas, by the said recited Act of the 51st year of the Reign of his present Majesty, it is enacted, that if any Master, Owner or Owners, or persons having the charge or command of any Ship or other Vessel, or any Owner or Owners; Consignee or 'Consignees, or any other person or persons, owning or having charge of any Goods, Wares, or Merchandises, imported or ex ported out of the said port, shall, by any means whatever, at any time or times, elude or evade the payment of the Rates and Duties thereby made payable, or any part thereof, each and every person eluding or evading payment as aforesaid, shall forfeit and pay over and besides such Rates and Duties, a sum of money equal to the Rates and Duties so eluded or evaded : And, whereas it is found necessary that the penalty for evasion of the payment of such Duties on Goods, should be increased ; be it therefore enacted, that over and above, and in addition to the said penalty given by the aforesaid Act of the 51st year of the reign of his present Majesty, there shall be forfeited and paid by each and every person eluding or evading the payment of any of the Duties payable by the said Act, on any Goods, `Wares, or Merchandizes, imported into or exported out of the said port, THE SUM OF TWENTY POUNDS, and that such sum of Twenty Pounds shall, and may be recoverable, and recovered from each and every person so eluding paymept as aforesaid, by the same ways and means, and in such manlier as any of the penalties imposed by the said Act of the 51st year of the Reign of his present Majesty, is or are recoverable. By 51 Geo." 3, Sec. 139, ONE-THIRD OF THE SAID PENALTIES is to be paid to the IN FORMER, and the other Two-thirds to the Charitable Fund of the Dock Estate. HULL AND SELBY RAILWAY. AT a GENERAL MEETING of the SUBSCRIBERS to the intended RAILWAY from. HULL to SELBY, held in the Court of Requests Room, Guildhall, Hull, on' THURSDAY, Aug. 27th, 1833, and which was very numerously attended, The Right Worshipful the MAYOR, in the Chair; The following resolutions were passed unanimously : Moved by Mr.aldeTUlß.ll TERRY and seconded by JOHN JACK SON, Esq., That this Meeting being decidedly of opinion that very seri ous injury will arise to the town and trade of Hull, in case various measures, now in actual progress or in contemplation at other places for the accommodation of trade, be not speedily met by corresponding exertions at this port, nd being en couraged to make such exertions by the prospe t of cordial co operation in the great manufacturing district , whose interests are in unison with our own, resolves to prosec te, with increased energy and zeal, the attempt to obtain an ac of parliament fur the establishment of a Railway between H 11 and Selby, com municating with that now in successfu operation between Selby and Leeds. Moved by GEORGE LIDDELL, Esq., and seconded by Mr. JOHN GRESH AM, 'that. whilst it is felt to he most desirable, on many grounds, that the undertaking should at once embrace a Double Line of Railway, this Meeting is of opinion that in case the large ad ditional Subscription wanted for that purpose be not raised within the required time, the suggestion of a Single Line of Railway, in the first instance, is highly worthy of consideration; as affording, at an early period, great accommodation for the conveyance of Goods and Passengers; and, at the same time, paving the way for the ultimate completion of the work on the snore extended scale, whenever it may be found necessary. Moved by JAMES HENWOOD, Esq. and seconded by GEORGE COOKMAN, Esq. That the Provisional Committee be requested to take imme diate steps for obtaining additional Subscripti o n s , collecting all necessary information, and comm un i cat i ng with the Manufac turing Districts on the general object in view ; that they be em powered to get flesh estimates, and that they do report the re sult to the general body of Shareholders, in order that the particular measures found to be requisite may be adopted as soon as possible. Moved by R. M. CaAVEN. Esq. and seconded by Jpnra HENRY SMITH, Esq. That the Resolutions of the present Meeting be published in all the Hull Newspapers, and such others as the Provisional Committee shall think fit. EDWARD GIBSON, Chairman. The Mayon having left the Chair, to which Mr. Alderman TERRY was called, It was moved by GEORGE LIDDELL, Esq. and carried by accla- . That the thanks of the Meeting be presented to the Right Worshipful the Mayor, for presiding on this occasion, and for his able conduct in the Chair. Application for Shares may be made to Mr. C. H. PtittuPs, Hull, Solicitor to the Provisional Couituittee; or to Mr. GEORGE LOCKING, Hull, the Se-cretary. A. CARD. AXONS. HUBERT respectfully inform the Ladies and .In. Gentlemen of Liverpool, that he h changed his Resi dence to 6, CHESTNUT -STREET, MOUNT- Lr.ASANT, where he will gratefully receive applications Instruction in the FRENCH LANGUAGE. _ _ Mons. 14.'s method is Conversation parsed, analysed, ex plained, and practised, saving time aad trouble in learning the rules by rote, and enabling learners to speak fluently in a short time. ELOCUTION / MR.. BOOTH, late liagediau4ihe GI sgow and other Theatres, having at the request of sev at Friends settled in Liverpool for the purpose of giving inar etion in ELOCU TION, comprising the acquirement of a rrect Pronunciation free from alt Provincialisms, the just M ulation of the Voice, and a general propriety in the Arts of ' eaking and Reading, proposes attending Schools either of yo nw. Gentlemen or young Ladies, and also receiving Pupils, either Private or in Classes, at his own Apartments, or waiting on them at their respective Residences. Mr. BOOTH has great pleasure in being able to give the fol lowing references as to ability and character :--The Rev. Dr. Shepherd, of Gateacre, the Rev. T. S. Bowstead, and the Rev. T. T. Tattershall. of Liverpool. The Terms will be moderate, and application made to Mr. GHAPET„ Bookseller, Church-street, will meet with immediate attention. LIVERPOOL ROYAL INSTITUTION. SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AND SURGERY. SEASON 1835-1836. A N INTRODUCTORY ADDRESS will be given by Dr. 111... FORMBY, on THURSDAY, the Ist of October, at Three o'clock. ( Dr. Foe , Fellow of the Royal Coll eof Physicians,Pro- Anatomy, Physiology, and fessor of natomy of the Liver- Pathology pool R • I Institution, and Phy sician the Infirmary, and Mr. urgeon to the Northern iHowital. Chemistry .‘ S Dr. BEY NOLDS, Physician to the ( Northern Hospital. Materia Medica and Thera- $ Dr. DUNCAN, Physician to the peutics •Dr. BRANDRETH, Senior Phy- Principles and Practice of sician to the Infirmary, and Dr. Medicine Cmary Lock Hospital. PriPciples and Practice of s Mr. IlAuToiv, Surgeon to the Sur gery Midwifery and the Diseases Dr. MAims, and Mr. BATTY, oC Women and Children Surgeon to the Ladies' Charity. Botany Medical Jurisprudence Anatomical Demonqrations Mr. LONG and Mr. Citama Superintendence of Practi- " talr. ,HATER. cal Anatomy Royal Institution, Colquett-street, July 16, 1833. SCENTED SOAPS. ENDAL and SON, at the CIVET CAT, 447, West Strand, London, having devoted unusual attention to the Manu facturing and Purifying of SCENTED S APS. have brought theni to a higher state of perfection tha any ever yet offered to the Public. The following List o rites will prove the great advantages to be derived by p chasing direct from the Manufacturers: — Packet of Packet of hree Squares. Six Squares. s. d. s- d. Finest old Brown Windsor Soap 0 8 1 4 Purified White Windsor Ditto.. 0 8 1 4 Fragrant Palm Oil Ditto 0 8 1 4 Rose Soap Almond Ditto 1 0 2 0 Violet Ditto Vegetable Ditto 1 0 2 0 Millefleur Ditto 1 0 2 0 Royal Victaria Ditto ... 'thirteen Packets for Twelve to large Purchasers. May be procured at the Manufacturers' Warehouses, 61, Lord street, Liverpool; 35, Market -street, Manchester; Adelaide street, Charing-cross, London • 17, New-street, Birmingham ; 191, Fore-street, Exeter; 43, Wine-street, Bristol; 18, Fore gate-street, Worcester • I, Theatre-buildings, Shrewsbury; and 97, St. James's-street, Brighton. STATE OF TRADE. TRADE OF LEEDS.—The cloth trade in this town has been rather more brisk during the past week, and the prospect of a good winter trade is improving. The merchants have been pretty busy in the warehouses for the last ten days, though the purchases of the ' metropolitan buyers have not been so exten sive as usual. A great portion of the cloth manufactured is now made to order, which has the effect of keeping the manu facturers more steadily employed, and of producing a better article at the price than could otherwise be accomplished. BRADFORD MARKET.—There is very little alteration to re port in the transactions at this market on Thursday, as com pared with those of last week. There has been no improve ment in prices, and scarcely any variation in the demand for goods and yarn, though rather more activity has been observa ble in the wool market. tionoxasviELD MARKET, on Tuesday, was brisker than it has been for some weeks past, but prices remained nearly sta tionary. The manufacturers are very anxious for an improve ment, but the merchants maintain that the present state of the markets will not admit of it. ROCHDALE, AUGUST 24.—The market to-day, was on the whole but thinly supplied, those who had'any goods to dispose of, soon found customers. The wool market was not so lively ; the manufacturers appeared to be very cautious in their pur chases, and are determined not to hold stock at present prices. - LINES WRITTEN ON THE SUMMIT OF THE KEEP OF FEVERICS TOWER CASTLETON, DERBYSHIRE. (Fr'em the Liverpool Weekly Magazine.) We sit on the topmost wall Of Peveril's ruined tower. We gaze on the deserted hall Raised in his pride and power,-- And the same fair landscape now is spread Broadly before our eye, On which, in days of splendour fled, Swept his proud chivalry. On a fair and wide expanse - Of bill and dale we look, And joyful in the sun's bright glance, Glides on the murmuring brook ; The mighty hills before us spring In their enduring pride, And the passing clouds dark shaddows fling Along their sunny side. And many a year has rolled Since dames of stately mien, And mail-clad knights, and minstrels old, Within these walls were seen; Their former glories faintly shine Through years of rayless gloom, And the last of Peveril's lordly line Sleeps iu a distant tomb. Strangers possess the spot Where thronging vassals knelt, And his name will shortly be forgot Where, as a prince, he dwelt. But the mouldering turrets yet shall stand. Strong, even in decay,— A subject for the painter's hand And a theme for the poet's Idy. IL D. H THE Ea RTHQUAKB.—It appears from the various provincial papers which have come under our notice, and from other in formation, that the earthquake mentioned in our last extended from Carlisle on the north to the borders of Cheshire on the south; and it appears to have been, as indeed might be ex pected, most violent about Lancaster, which is nearly half-way between the two er.remes. What was its extent to the east and west, we have not been able to learn. It does not appear to have been felt in any of the towns in Yorkshire, nor do we hear of it from Ireland, or from the Isle of Man; though it ap pears to have been rather violent at Whitehaven, on the oppo site coast of Cumberland. The furthest point to the south at which we have heard of it was Timperley, near Altriucham, where it was faintly but distinctly perceived by a gentleman whe happened to be lying awake at the time, and who men tioned the circumstance to several persons before he heard of what had occurred to the northward. 'l'he following account of the phenomenon is copied from the Preston Chronicle of Saturday last :—" On Thursday morning, at about twenty three minutes before four o'clock, this town and neighbour hood, particularly to the northward, experienced a rather severe shock of an earthquake, which excited considerable alarm in the minds of those who happening to be awake were fully conscious of the awful visitation. The writer of this paragraph, who had witnessed several earthquakes —one of them deplorably fatal—during a residence in a northern province of South America, happened not to be asleep, and al mosLinstantly recognized the peculiar noise, or internal thun— der, that generally precedes and accompanies those fearful throes of the earth, and in an instant, he snore sensibly felt the house tremble in a manner resembling the vibration caused by the passing of several heavily laden waggons on the rough pavement of the street, but with this important difference, that the vibration though short, was much stronger, and, as he sup posed, mo r e of a lateral than a perpendicular motion. The window, which was partly thrown up for the admission of air, was shaken to and fro several times, and the bedstead creaked thou g h n o one on it moved. One of the family, also awake, was perfectly sensible of the shuck, which lasted, including the noise, as nearly us could be conjectured, ebout 30 seconds. It was early dawn of day ; the new moon bad risen 30 to 35 de grees; the sky was cloudless, with the exception of a streak of clouds over the N.H. horizon, and the air was calm and serene, but sultry. The shock appeared to conic from the north west quarter, and to pass to 'he south east; but of this there can be little certainty."—Manchester Guardian. LONDON WITHIN THE WALLS.—In the beginning of the last century the population of London within the walls was not much less than 140,000, as proved by deduction from the parish registers; and the annual mortality was as 1 to 20 of that po pulation. In the year 1750 the population had decreased to 87,600; and, fortunately for the health of the citizens, space continues to become more and more valuable for counting houses and warehouses than for human habitation, so that the population of the city within the walls became 78,000 in the year 1801, and is now diminished to 55,778, the rate of mortality being now less than I in 40. Appendix to the Parish Rcyister Abstract fur 1831. PROPHETIC SPIRIT OP NapocEoN.—The grand marble statue of the deceased hero, executed by Canova, in the possession of the Duke of Wellington, furnishes one of many proofs of the prophetic or superstitious tendency of his mind. This statue was in Napoleon's keeping for many years, but he would never allow it to be seen, nor even taken out of the case in which it was sent from Rome. His reason for this singular decision was, that in the right hind the sculptor had placed a ball repre senting the earth, and upon it a little figure of Victory, with ex tended wings. The extended wings offended him. II e said it appeared as though intended to intimate that victory was about to fly away from him; and that at all events the Parisians would so interpret the omen. Forbidding all parley upon the subject, he condemned one of the finest productions of the modern chisel, a colossal statue 13 feet high, to remain in sulky seclusion in the identical packing-case in which it arrived. in that same packing-case it afterwards entered apslev-house, where it re• mains conspicuously posted upon the grand stair-case, a captive attendant as it were upon the commander who first turned the tide of victory against his arms, and finally, measuring swords with the victor in person, by one decisve blow expelled him for ever from the field of battle. Thus do events seem to justify the boding repugnance of Napoleon to this statue. THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Empertal Parliament. ' HOUSE OF LORDS.-WEDNESDAY. Continued from the Staidurd of Friday last.) At the close of the debate on the affairs of Spain, the Marquis of Londonderry withdrew the motion which be had submitted to the house. CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL. This bill, after a short debate, was rejected on a division on the motion "That it be read a second time;" 31 voting 1 , 3 r, and 51 against the measure. The sheriffs (Ireland) bill was read a second, and the savings' batik (Scotland) bill a third time; the latter bill being passed, their lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF LORDS.....THURSDAT. The letters patent appointing J. W. Birch, Esq., clerk-as sistant to parliament; in the room of Wm. Courtenay, Esq., now Earl of Devon, and W. Rose, Esq., to the office of reading clerk at the table, were read. Some bills were brought up to the House of Commons, which were read a first time. _ _ The Earl of RADNOIt moved for a return of the number of base born children affiliated by order of the sessions in each county in England and Wales at the Michaelmas sessions of 1834, and at the Epiphany, Easter, and Midsummer sessions of 1835 respectively.—Ordered. SHERIFFS (IRELAND) BILL. On the motion of Viscount DUNRAI•NON the house went into committee on and passed the bill through that stage. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL On the motion of Lord Wn A RNCLIFFEIherePort of the com mittee to whom this bill had been referred was ordered to be received. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. Viscount Melbourne, in moving that the report on this bil' be received, begged to guard himself most explicitly agains . being supposed to give any sanction or any approbation to the amendments which their lordships had thought proper to intro duce into this bill. In his opinion those amendments greatly diminished the benefits of, and considerably deteriorated the bill as originallybrought up from the House of Commons. He thought their lordships in consenting to those amendments had been agitated by unreasonable fears and unnecessary apprelien sions of evils not likely to take place from the measure as it was originally brought under their consideration, and that to those unsubstantial evils their lordships had applied most inefficient remedies. Ile thought their lordships had completely departed from the clear, simple, plain, intelligible, safe, and secure prin ciple upon which the bill was founded and sent up to their lord ships, and in its stead had adopted a principle comprising com plexity, intricacy, and every variety of provisions, none of which would, in his (Viscount Melbourne's) judgment, have the effect which lie beheved had been intended, but, on the contrary, would be productive of most prejudicial effects upon this country, because nothing was more certain than that the law which did not produce the benefits anticipated from it, the law that failed to guard against the evils which it was designed to remove, was certain to produce other effects not anticipated by those who introduced those laws—effects which were certain to be of a prejudicial nature. (Hear, bear.) At the same time, consider ing the great importance of this bill, and the equal importance that the question to which it related should be settled if possible —considering that the feelings of the country had been increased by the sudden and unexpected manner in which the opposition to this measure had been raised in this house, and by the altera tions which had been made by their lordships—he repeated, considering all these important elements, he was for one not disposed to offer any obstacles in the way of now receiving those amendments. (Hear.) At the same time, in so doing he must beg leave to state that he could not answer for the assent of the other house of parliament being given to any of those amend ments either in Coto, or to any portion of them. He, however, thought it was due to the attention which had been bestowed by their lordships upon the bill, that their amendments should be submitted to the mature and deliberate consideration of the other house of parliament. it was not, therefore, his intention to trouble their lordships by going into any of the various topics and questions that had arisen on this bill—a bill which had been discussed at so much length, but upon the bringing up of the report he should, nevertheless, feel it his duty to move the omission of those amended provisions of the bill which appeared to him to be most objectionable, and by such omission to endea vour to place the bill in the same situation and form in which it was brought up from the other house. He should, amongst others, move the omission of the clause saving the rights of the freemen—a clause, in his judgment, peculiarly . objectionable. He should also move to omit the clause recognizing the rights of aldermen for life, he should also endeavour to replace the qualification clause for the council in the same state in which it had been brought up from the House of Commons. He did not believe that the qualification clause which had been introduced by the noble and learned lord (Lyndhurst) into the bill would at all tend to the object which he felt satisfied noble lords oppo site themselves had in view. It was unsuitable to the state of many of the towns to which it would under the bill be applied ; for property afforded no certain criterion of talent or respect ability, and the effect (as he was given to understand) of a pro perty qualification would in many towns be to exclude persons of respectability and worth, while it admitted individuals of a very different description into the governing body of such towns. The same amount of evil would arise from the qualification i clause proposed by his noble friend opposite (the Earl of Devon; ) 'that clause was liable to all the objections which could be raised against the other, would also fail in its object, and was of a prejudicial character. (Hear.) The clause of his noble friend would not be effectual in itself, for it would exclude no one, and of those excluded the majority might be honest men, While those admitted might be fraudulent in declaring themselves to be pos sessed of property to an amount which they really did not possess. He would not now say more than that he should move to omit these amendments on the bringing up of the report; and upon the qualification clause, and that relating to the aldermen for life, he should feel it his duty to take the sense of the house. A long and animated debate ensued, at the close of which the report was received. Viscount MELBOURNE said that, if he had thought any seri ous opposition would have been offered to the amendment he meant to propose with reference to the 6th clause, he certainly should have felt it necessary to trouble the house with some ob serrations upon it. He could not but regret the great violence of some of the observations which had been made use of. It 'was not his object .to do any thing to aggravate or exasperate public feeling. (Hear, hear.) It was not his intention to do any thing to obstruct the further progress of the bill as it should proceed from their lordships, but, as far as he was concerned, to receive it and give it all the calm, deliberate, and serious at tention which its importance required. (Cheers.) At the same time, in justice to his noble and learned friend, he felt called on to say he had not perceived in any of his observations any thing that could justify such a strong feeling as had been ex pressed on the other side of the house. He certainly had not heard him impute base and sordid motives to their lordships; but, with respect to the appellation of "mob," he might have felt that expression arise in his mind upon an occasion when he certainly was somewhat irregularily interrupted. (Hear.) He.could refer to the opinions of members of their lordships' house, repeating what he had taken the liberty of stating on a former occasion, that as to popular assemblies, whether com posed of peers or others, they were all, in fact, actuated by the same feelings, and subject to the same tumultuous emotions, in whatever way they might b e com p ose d. (Hear, hear.) Lord Chesterfield, in one of his letters, the beauty of t h e composition which could not but be admi re d, sa id, "In fact, every popu lar assembly, however composed, is a mob ; as a mob it raffst be treated, and like a mob it must be moved and actuated." (Cheers.) Surely Lord Chesterfield did not mean by that any insult to the House of Lords. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) He would not pursue this subject further, trusting that all vehe mence of feeling would now have passed away, ( hear,) and that their lordships would now approach the consideration of the question with the coolness and deliberation it desired. He had said that it was his intention to move the omission of the' d clause of this bill, which preserved the existing rights of free men to property; but, as he should have an opportunity of making his motion on the third reading of the bill, he wouldnot now press it, but would litoceed at once to that part of the bill which was its most objectionable feature, which was the great est innovation upon its principle, and which was the cause of the greatest alarm to the country, tainting and infecting, as it did, the whole of the new constitution which was infused by the the bill into the corporate bodies of the country: he meant the election of aldermen for life, and the retention of the present members of corporations, as enacted by the 6th clause. He begged to move in that clause the omission of the word " alder men." If his omission were agreed to, he should move also the om ission of the 25th, 26th, and 27th clauses, of which the last enacted that the first body of aldermen under the bill should be elected from the present body. On the omission, therefore, of the word aldermen the whole of the question depended. The question had already been sufficiently discussed; he could add nothing to it, and he submitted it to their lordships' decision. Theimuse then divided on the question that the word "alder men" be retained in the clause. Content—Present Proxies 103 57 -160 46 43 - 89 Not content—Prevent.. Proxies... -Majority against minister• 7l On our re-tOrnission we found Lord MELBOURNE moving the rejection of the amendment to the 39th clause of the bill: The motion was negatived without a division. Lord Lr Nom tillST moved a clause to the effect that aldermen and town councillors should every three years make a declare that they possessed, either in personal or real estate, or in both, the same amount of qualification as when they first took office. —Agreed to. The Earl of FALMOUTH moved that certain words be left oat in a particular clause, in order to add a new clause, which was to the effect that no persons who were or had been bankrupt, or had compounded with their creditors, should be eligible to the qffices of mayor, alderman, or councillor till after the expiration of five years after the payment of their debts in full. Lord LvsmuurisT said the noble earl would propose this amendment on his own responsibility. He wiped his hands of it. The Earl of FA LNI 0 UTI-1 remarked that it was the intention of the commissioners themselves to shut out in permanency bank rupts from these offices. However, he did not wish to go so far. The amendment was ultimately withdrawn. The Earl of liossLyx proposed that nothing in the bill should interfere with the existing management of a grammar-school in Louth founded by letters patent issued in the fifth year of the reign of Edward - VI. The amendment was agreed to, as was also another proposed by . Lord LYNDHURST, providing . that all jurisdictions at present existing in the precincts of cathedrals should be continued. One or two other amendments of minor importance were like wise adopted. The bills on the table were then forwarded a stage, and the house adjourned at two o'clock. The division in the lords on the constabulary bill was, we understand— For the second reading Against it........ 59 Majority 2B HOUSE OF COMMONS, THURSDAY. The Speaker took the chair at twelve o'clock. Several bills having been forwarded a stage, The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice, that he should to morrow move the appointment of a committee to search the Lords' journals for the purpose of diseovering'what had become of two bills on the subject of wills, executors, and administra tors which had been sent up to that house some months since. ("Hear," and a laugh.) Mr. NirtLks, after expressing the strong vexation which the dissenters felt at not having had their grievances attended to, notwithstanding the disposition they had shown to give way t o other great reforms, particulary those in corporations an d i n the Irish church, gave notice that he should early next session bring the practical grievances of the dissenting body before the house, in the hope that uo further delay would take place in their full redress. Sir E. CODRINGTON, in the absence of the Secretary to the Admiralty, postponed his motion on the subject of naval officers deprived of their half-pay until to-morrow. Mr. BARING brought up a bill for the improvement of the navigation of the river Shannon, which was read a first time. • • Mr. WitKs and Mr. \VAKLEY having intimated that they, as well as several other hun. members had petitions to present on the subject of municipal reform, an understanding was come to that petitions on those subjects should all be presented on Monday. The house then adjourned at a quarter past one. HOUSE OF LORDS, FRIDAY. Lord, DENMAN moved that the prisoners" defence bill, and the offences against the person bill, be read a second time this day six months, promising to take the subject of each of these ,bills into his consideration during the recess. His lordship tha proceeded to make some observations on the bill for taking away capital punishment in cases of conviction for stealing let ters or committing sacrilege, and moved that the house be sum moned to attend the first leading of it on the following day. GREAT WESTERN RAILWAY BILL.. Lord WHARNCLIFFE moved the third reading of the above bill. Lord BOSTON expressed his conviction, not only that the railway never would answer, but that it would prove a curse to a great[►art of the country through which it would run. The Earl of CArtNARVON said he felt bound, by the decision of the house last night, not to give any further opposition to the bill. Read a third time. and passed, and sent to the Commons. The tonnage admeasurement bill was read a third time and passed. _ _ _ _ _ The colonial passengers bill went though a committee. The Marquis, of SALISBURY brought up the report from the committee on the Islington market bill, which was received and (as we understood) the bill ordered to be read a third time to-morrow. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS RILL. On the motion for the third reading of the above bill being put from the woolsack by Lord Denman, The Earl of WINCHILSEA said, he would not trouble their lordships with any observations, but merely move the word " now" be om i tte d for the purpose of introducing " this day six months." Ou this amendment their lordships. divided, when there ap peared For the original motion Against it Majority for the third reading On our return to the gallery we found Lord WHARNCLIFFE proposing a clause, by way of rider, to the effect that the town clerk should pe r f orm un d er thi 4 bill, the same duties as they ex ecuted under the reform act.—Agreed to. Some verbal amendments were then proposed, but the noise and confusion were so great, that it was impossible to catch their purport. The question was then carried—" That this bill do pass." Lord DENMAN then put the last question—" That a message be tent"to the House of Commons, informing them that your lordships have passed this bill, with amendments to which your lordships desire the consent of the Commons," which was agreed to. SCOTCH CHURCH COMMISSION. The Earl of ABERDEEN, in calling the attention of the house to this subject, said it was not second in importance to any that could come under their lordships consideration. His Majesty's government had issued a commission of inquiry into the means and nature of the religious instruction afforded by the church of Scotland. This commission originated in consequence of nu merous petitions from Scotland for an extension of the means of religious worship in connexion with the church of that country. Government thought proper to issue a commission, he presumed, for the purpose of ascertaining whether public assistance ought to be afforded in aid of the private contributions raised in Scot land for the purpose of supplying additional church accommo dation. He foresaw, at an early period, that this commission, from its nature, could not fait to excite dissatisfaction in Scot land, and the prediction which he had ventured upon this sub ject was soon accomplished. The commission of the General Asserably met on the 13th of August, and came to a resolution that the commission, as at present constituted, was not entitled to the confidence of the church of Scotland. It came to this re solutioh on the ground that among the commissioners were the names of persons decidedly hostile to any connexion between church and state—persons who were unfriendly to the church of Scotland, and did not possess tbat knowledge and experience of the subject necessary for carrying the professed objects of the inquiry fairly into effect. A division took place on this resolu tion, when there were 90 in favour of it, and 3 against it; or, more properly speaking, three individuals were for adjourning the consideration of the subject. This was a very strong pro ceeding in the General Assembly, which was not a political body, and seldom or never meddled in political matters unless its interests were vitally concerned in them. The majority on this occasion was composed of 50 clergymen and 40 taxmen of various shades of political opinions. In fact, the resolution was proposed by a gentleman of the most liberal opinions, and sup ported by others of the same sentiments as the noble viscount. The three individuals who objected to the resolution were three whig . attornies, or, as they were called in Scotland, writers to the signet, but no clergyman could b e f o und to support the amendment. The assembly proceeded to adopt this course from their knowledge of the gentlemen composing this commission, and doubtless their opinion must have been strengthened when they learned the terms of the commission. In looking at the memrrers of the commission, he declared that he had not the least objection to individuals belonging . to the same political party as the noble viscount—far from it, provided they enter rained friendly feelings towards the church of Scotland ; he had rather there should be persons of such political sentiments on the commission. He did not even object to the names of dis senters among the commissioners, merely on the ground of their being dissenters, because he hoped the great body of dissenters was nut hostile to the, church of Scotland ; but when he saw persons who were opposed to all religious establishments ap pointed commissioners, he thought it a mockery to place such individuals on a commission to inquire into the expediency of extending the efficiency of the established church of Scotland. He was no friend to any church establishment except so far as it afforded a security for the maintenance of true religion and the extension of religious knowledge; but for the accomplish ment of those objects he looked upon establishments as highly desirable, and it was his firm conviction that the c hurch o f Scot land had fulfilled them. With respect to the opinions of indi viduals composing the commission, he might refer to a book published by one of its members, which he admitted to be very ably written, and to contain the best arguments in favour or the voluntary system that he had ever seen. This production dis played great moderation of language, but was composed in a spirit of decided hostility to every religious establishment, which the writer endeavoured to show must necessarily he unjust and , unchristian. When he stated his opinion on the subject on a former evening, the noble viscount appeared impressed with the necessity of giving it further consideration. He understood the noble viscount to state, that considerable discontent pre vailed among the dissenters, and that they . complained of not being adequately represented in the commission. He thought if the commission was established to try the merits of the case, as between establishments and the voluntary principle, that the dissenters ought to be represented, but he always understood the ebject of the commission to be limited to the expediency of the required grant, and he must say, however he might still be disposed to admit dissenters as members of the commission, that the admission of avowed enemies of the church of Scotland in that capacity was an act of gross injustice, and calculated to defeat the avowed object of the commission. (Hear, hear.) He also objected to the instructions given to the commissioners to inquire into the funds of the established church and the amount or disposition of tithes or teinds. In Scotland, the teinds were entirely private property; some being in the hands of capitularies (persons in the same situation as lay impropri ators in this country,) and the greater part being held by land owners who had purchased the tithes of their own land, and had as good a right to them as to the remainder of their estates. The teinds were not the property of the church of Scotland, which was merely entitled to a competent stipend out of them, to be determined by the court of session at Edinburgh. The remainder was private property, and, though the amount of teinds might be augmented, it was impossible to appropriate them to the support of an additional church or minister. This species of property, then, was not open to the proposed inquiry. The commission, like another of which their lordships had lately heard so much, gave very extensive powers on this head ; but, whatever might be thought of the legality of the municipal corporation commission, there could be no doubt here, for the king was not even visitor of the Scotch church, and the whole powers of the commission were illegal and nugatory. He ob jected to the appointment of local commissioners of inquiry, I which wa s contemp l ate d un d er th e original commission. f in formation were all that he required, it might have been obtain ed without the appointment of a new commission, and without the cost of a single farthiug, through a commission now in ex istence for building churches in the Highlands, the duties of whichcommission had been admirably executed for several years at no expense, with the exception of a small salary to the secretary. It was not with respect to members of the church of England that the church of Scotland entertained any appre hensions; on the contrary, to no quarter did she look more confidently for sympathy and support than to the right rev. bench, and he believed the demand would be responded to. Though himself a member of the church of Scotland, no one could be more attached to the established church of this country, and he felt confident that members of the church of England looked with like kindly feelings at the establishment in Scotland. He entreated the noble viscount to consider this important subject without reference to party, and to take s uc h steps as mi g ht b e d eeme d most conducive to the welfare of the church and to the satisfaction of the people of Scotland. He entreated the noble viscount to reconsider the matter, and, if he could not wholly withdraw the commission, at least to modify and explain its objects and improve the composition of its mem bers. If the noble viscount would take this course, the church of Scotland had every disposition to co-operate with the govern -thew lie tire. accomplishment of the objects which it professed to have in view, and the noble viscount would find that by adopt ing this recommendation he would avoid much trouble to him self and his government. Viscount MELBOURNE admitted the importance of the sub ject referred to by his noble frieud Aberdeen. He (Lord M.) was aware of the decision of the assembly on this subject—of the dissatisfaction felt by the adherents of the established church, and of the discontent of every other religious denomination in Scotland. After universal content and agreement, he did not know whether the next best testimony to the impartiality of a proceeding such as this was no t di scovera b le i n t h e universa l dissatisfaction of all parties, for that feeling showed that the commission was not exclusively or partially constituted. (Laughter.) It would be well, in reference to this as to other subjects, if we could bind persons to act as commissioners who stood entirely aloof from prepossession or a suspicion of par tiality ; but that was absolutely impossible; for if you hart an impartial commission, in other words a commission composed of persons wholly unacquainted with the subject, you must also have an ignorant commission, one unacquainted with the sub ject of inquiry. (" Hear," and renewed laughter.) Failing an impartial commission, it became necessary to look for truth from the conflict of adverse opinions, and on this principle he maintained that the commission was fairly composed. The speech of Dr. Macfarlane in the great assembly corroborated his view of the case. That gentleman stated 'Mr. Dick, to whom his noble friend had alluded, to be a very respectable did not the t i h m a p t u t t h e e d fa to et h i r i r n f t t h et i n s p g e e r n e t t l e e : man, and that his book w as th e b est on his awn side of the question.mai having N p o u w e forth h e lv, moderately, and in a philosophical tone and manner, (for no liitterness or acrimony was c h arge d against his production,) should disqualify h:in from forming one of the commission. Besides, he had always found that the best way of mitigating extreme opinions was to employ the parties holding them in the public service, (laughter,) not that he supposed the modifica tion of sentiment to arise from sordid motives, (a laugh,) but becameinexpediency tho fu th l other fu n ctionaries.uhlic gentlemen on t the commission, as his noble f r i en d h a d not gone into particulars, he should abstain from touching ors their individual opinions. On the whole, the commission appeared to him as fairly consti tuted as such a body could well be, but it wits impossible to satisfy conflicting interests. One party, that of the church, re quired that every body on the commission should be favourable to the required grant. The Earl of AnsinnEEN.—No; but that they should not be unfavourable to the cbgrch of Scotland. Lord IslennourtNE.—Well, he apprehended that was much the same thing; for persons favourable to the church would be desirous of procuring it the grant. But the other side was equally unreasonable, and required that none should be on the commission but persuus unpledged or hostile to the establish ment. Tbe application for a grant of ,public money originated with the Scotch church; its friends said there was not sufficien t aerommudation for its numbers, and its opponents declared that there was more church room than the present worshippers could till. Those assertions were made so decidedly by each party , that the government thought it wise to inquire into the real state of the case before taking any further step. Perhaps the terms of the commission had been extended somewhat widely in con • sequence of a subsequent application. His noble friend sa d that the commission was contrary to the fundamental principles df the Scotch church, and that it assumed powers which the King himself did not possess • but without pretending to have mastered the whole subject, he declared that he could not see how the commission violated the rights or privileges of the Scotch establishment. He did not wish to say anything which could he construed into an attack on the fundamental principles or on the practice of the presbyterian church of Scotland; but did the noble lord mean to say, that if ever any allegations were made respecting the existence of abuses, or respecting the mode of reforming the abuses in that church, it was not in the power of either King or parliament to inquire into those allegations ? If the noble lord meant to say that, it was a rediktio ad absurdum, It was a. higher pretension than had ever beeftset up by the ad vocates,o,f the Roman catholic church against the principle of the reformation. It was exactly the objection which that church had urged against the proceedingsof the early reformers. They said, "This cannot be done by the laity—the laity cannot reform the church—the church must refiam itself." fhat had been the objection made by the Roman catholic* to all the proceedings of parliametit'during the progess of the reformation. But the main question was this; the church . of Scotland had demanded a grant of public money. . . If it meant to establish its right to that grant in order to carry off the spiritual instruction of the people of Scotland, had not his Majesty and had not the state a right to say to the church, "Show us what your funds are, and let us see whether your ,property is or is not sufficient 'for the purposes to which you would apply . it? " These were the grounds on which the commission was tssued. The zeal of other parties had taken advantage of the fact of a commission being issued, and had reqUired that the inquiry should also be directed to other purposes, which might wisely be inquired into; and for that purpose the iriquiry hail been made as extensive as possible, and the commission had been constituted as their lord ships now saw it. His noble friend had said that the powers ranted by this commission were at once illegal and nugatory. They might be nugatory, for they were not compulsory, but he was quite certain they were not illegal. He contended likewise that the commission was constituted properly and impartially. He was concerned to hear that the appointment of this'coni mission had excited discontent in Scotland, but be was consoled to find that the discontent was not of a party nature, but that it was extensive and universal. It was one of the stroogest proofs that could be given of the impartiality with which the commis sioners had been selected that no party was pleased with them. It often happened that things which.commeneed iu dis content ended better than was expected, whilst things which commenced in universal satisfaction often terminated in general discontent. He hoped that the discreet and prudent meaner in which the commission would be executed would fulfil its ob jects without producing any of those disagreeable effects which his noble friend had anticipated. The Earl of RADDINGTON expressed his surprise that the Coble lord (Melbourne) should have congratulated himself upon the universal dissatisfaction which the appointment of the com mission had created in Scotland. After a few observations from the Earl of Minto, the Duke of Buccleuch, the Marquis of Breadalbane, the Marquis of Bute, and the Earl of Aberdeen, the conversation ended. A message from the Commons, by Mr. Hawes and others, brought up the Great Western Railway bill, with their lord ships' amendments agreed to. On the motion of the Earl of MINTO, the reform act (Scot land) amendment bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday next. The house then (at a quarter to nine) adjourned to to-morrow Saturday) at twelve o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, FRIDAY, AUGUST 28. The SPEAKER took the chair at a quarter to four o'clock. Sir SAMUEL WHALLEY presented a petition from St. Pan cras, complaining that the House of Lords had set itself against the wishes of the people, and praying that the House of Com mons would not pass the corporations bill in a mutilated shape. Another petition was presented by the same gentleman, from the same parties, in favour of the Dorchester labourers. Other petitions were presented to the house; —by Sir Edward Codrington, about the corn laws and naval officers; by Mr. Chalmers, Mr. Wilks, and others, about the corporations bill; by Mr. Wakley, about taxes on knowledge; and by Mr. Hawes, about spirit licenses. GENERAL DARLING. Mr. OSWALD reported to the house that, in the opinion of the committee appointed to inquire into the conduct or General Dar ling; Norman M'Lean had, in giving his evidence, been guilty of gross prevarication. Mr. NICHOL moved that he be taken into custody.—Agreed to, • IRON TRADE. Mr. Alderman THOMPSON wished to know from the president of the board of trade what answer had been returned by the Hanoverian government to the remonstrance that had been sent from the government of this country, relative to the high rate of duties on British iron. He also wished to know what had been done by the French government relative to the high duty charged by that country upon iron going to sea. Mr. P. THomsorr said that he was not in possession of any answer from the Hanoverian government relative to the sub ject the hon. member had adverted to, but he would say that, unless the answer were satisfactory . , he should feel no doubt in recommending the crown to exercise the powers it possessed. With respect to the latter question, he regretted that the pro gress made with respect to France had not been so speedy as he could wish, as none had been made during the last session; but he hoped for a better state of things before the termination of the next session. One of the effects of not coming to an arrangement was that the revenues of France were greatly in jured by the enormous quantity of British goods which had been smuggled into that country. He wished to see trade as free as possible; he would not saddle it with restrictions be cause others did 'so; yet he might be content in some instances to tax himself for a short time, in order to show to others that he would not submit with impunity to vexation. hnpositions. in answer to a question from Sir F. FRENCH, on the subject of Danish claims, the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he could not entertain the claims of those who had goods seized on board ship. SUPPLY-MILITIA ESTIMATES The house then went into committee of supply on the militia estimates. On the first vote being moved, " Colonel PERCEVAL said he had heard it stated that the government had taken upon itself to discharge all the staff of one militia regiment, at the same time continuing that of ano ther. He wished to know whether this partial mode of pro ceeding had been pursued, and upon what grounds? Lord HOWICK said the government had the power to do what the hon. member had described, and in doing so had gone upon the principle of keeping the staffs employed which appeared to be the most effective and the most required. _ Mr. HUME approved of the principle upon which government had acted in this matter. _ _ _ _ After a few words from Mr. B. Hoy and Colonel SIBTHOBP the vote was -agreed to, and the house resumed. The slave trade (Sardinia) bill was read a third time. The stamp and assessed taxes bill was reported. MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. A message from the lords announced that their lordships had passed the municipal corporations bill, with amendments. This message, ou being read from the chair, was received by Mr. Hume, Mr. O'Connell, and other hon. members of their party with loud groans.. This proceeding, a most unusual one in the House of Commons, excited a considerable sensation in the house. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then rose for the pur pose of moving, not that the amendments only be printed, ac cording to the usual course, but that the whole bill, as amended, be printed; and said that that was the only svav in which the measure—a new measure in some respects, and certainly one requiring full consideration—could be discussed. He trusted that that arrangement would be productive of no serious delay, as he expected that copies of the measure would be in the hands of members by Monday next, when it would, he proposed, be taken into consideration. It was at all events extremely desir able that they should have it before them in a complete state, for the purpose of well-considering a measure which had attracted more attention within that house, and, indeed, had excited more interest out of that house, than any piece of legislation which, since the passing of the reform bill, hail been propounded. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Such being the case, he trusted that he might take the liberty of earnestly recommending hon. gentlemen not to enter, at the present moment, into a discus sion which could not be productive of any possible good. and which could be only in anticipation of that most serious discus sion which must take place when the bill was in their hands after being printed, (loud cheers,) when they came not only to express opinions but to proceed to a decision upon the subject. He trusted, he would again say, that the question being one of such interest and magnitude the house would not think that he was acting in any shape improperly or unbecomingly, as one of those most friendly to the bill as it was sent from that house, if ho took the liberty of earnestly entreating them to postpone at present a discussion *hid) could lead- to no good result, and which might impede the fair, calm, and deliberate but resolute (tremendous cheering) decision upon the subject. Ile would therefore move that the bill, as amended, be printed and' taken into consideration on Monday next. Mr. HosiE concurred with the right hon. gentleman as to the propriety of considering this, as well as every other measure which came before them, calmly, and with deliberation ; but hoped that nothing which had fallen from him would be taken as holding out any idea of a hope that that house could accept, or for oue moment entertain, the bill in its existing state. He was against any such hope being for one moment held out— against the supposition that they could for an instant listen to the "amendments," as they were called, which bad been made in the measure, or as he should say, the alterations which had altogether ruined it—(hear, hear)—which had rendered it such that they would be better without than with it. When, how ever, the copies of the amended bill should be before them, they would be able to weigh the extent of the evils which the bill had suffered ; for his own part, he believed them to be such as rendered it wholly impossible for the house to agree to it ul timately. He said that with great ogret, because they were then, on the 28th of August, seeing the last remnant of the two great measures which had been the result of all their labours during that session. (Hear hear.) Time had been lost, ex citement had been produced in the minds of the public, and a disappointment bitter in proportion had followed—which could not fail to be productive of the most serious consequences. The right hon. gentleman had recommended, perhaps wisely, that there should he no discussion at that period upon the subject. All that he wished was to enter his protest against being sup posed to yield, in the smallest degree, to the propriety of the amendments in question. After a few inaudible words from Colonel SIBTHORP, Mr. O'CoNNELL said the period was now conic, in which the public opinion could not be trifled with—(loud cheers)—in which the wants of this great country could not he looked at slightingly—and in which, if great organic questions affect ing the constitution of the country came to be considered, the blame would fall on those who had given rise to such a convul sive discussion—if he might use the expression—and not on those who had endeavoured peaceably to ameliorate its institu tions. (Renewed cheering,.) SHANNON NAVIGATION BILL. This bill, after a dckiltory conversation, was read a second time. , REGISTRATION OF VOTERS (IRELAND) RILL. This bill was read a third time and passed. Buckingham's compensation bill was, after a short discussion, withdrawn. The ATTORNEY-GENERA L moved "that a committee he ap pointed to examine the lords' journals, to ascertain what pro ceedings had been tak e n by th e i r l or d s hips, if any, on the wills hill and executors bill, sent to the lords from the commons." Besides these bills, there was also the imprisonment for debt bill, which it would appear was not likely to pass until witnesses were examined. In the examination of witnesses upon the bill, it was to be presumed that the bum-bailiffs, and sham-bail, and low attornies, would come forward to testify that imprisonment for debt was an excellent thing, and gave universal satisfaction. He feared that this bill would share the fate of the two other excellent measures included in his motion. These measures had been generally approved of by the most eminent lawyers, SEPTEMBER. 1, 1834. and, after having been referred to, and approved of by, a tielect committee, and carried up to the other house in the latter end of June, it was desirable to know what had become of these bills, and the only way to ascertain was by moving for this com mittee. After a few words from Mr. ScAat.Err and Mr. Hewes the motion was agreed to. Sir E. CODRINGTON then moved for returns respecting all naval officers, of whatever rank, who have been deprived of their half-pay without their consent or the investigation of a court martial from the year 1791) up to the present period, with the alleged reason for such deprivation; also for the returns respecting any person, whose half-pay has been restored to them subsequently to such deprivation, with the alleged reasons for such restoration. Mr. C. Wool) opposed the motion, but he would consent to entertain any case of particular hardship. The honourable gentleman was proceeding, when au hon. member moved that the house be counted. The gallery was cleared, and, there not being forty members present, the house adjourned. HOUSE OF LORDS.—SATURDAY. The house met at twelve o'clock. The Earl of Shaftesbury .t on the woolsack. The house went into committee on the glais reduction duty bill; the bill was passed through this stage without anraltera tion. The capital punishment bill was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Monday. Some bills were brought up from the commons; and the Islington market bill was read a third time, passed, and sent to the commons for their assent to the amendments introduced into it by the upper house. Adjourned at two o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—SATURDAY The Speaker took the chair at twelve o'clock. SLPPLT. Mr. F. BARING brought up the report of the committee of supply. The resolutions were agreed to. OATHS ABOLITION BILL. Mr. F. BARING brought nrithe report of the committee on. .he oaths abolition bill, which was received, and the bill ordered . .ct be engrossed, and read a third time on Monday. SHANNON NAVIGATION BILL. The house then resolved itself into committee on the River Shannon navigation improvement bill. The first clause having been puthy the chairman, Mr. POTTER, Mr. PRYBIE, Alr. WALLACE, and Mr. WAR BURTON, objected to any advance of money to carry on the proposed works on the Shannon. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said this bill was intro duced in consequence of several repeated inquiries by committees of that house, but the bill did not ca rr y ou t i n their full effect the recommendations of those committees. He did not propose to the house to do this, and if it had been proposed by others he would not have approved of it. _The recommendation of the committee was, thlti there should be a vote of public money for this purpose—absolutely pledging the hense, not only to the principle, but to a vote of public money for the adoption of the principle. before they had a satisfactory plan and estimates, Ad, above all, before arrangements were made with the parties locally interested in order to protect the public against undue, excessive, or extortionate claims, which would be a bar to the undertaking altogether. I t was recommended by the committee that the money should be advanced ; but from this recommenda tion be entirely dissented. He would not ask the house to ad vance one single farthing, except for the expences that must be incurred by reason of the inquiry. The bill did not pledge the house to the advance of any money; all it pledged the house to was, that in the event of there being a satisfactory plan and estimates, and in the absence of all unreasonable local demands, the money should be hereafter advanced. The question was, whether the crown, in its indi v id ua l ca p ac ity being a party to the uddertaking, which could not be effected without the inter position of the house, and the crown having no right to impose the onus upon individuals who had neither the means nor the, power to execute the work, that house was disposed to adopt the principle of the bill by saying thatif the parties locally interest ed would provide one-half of the expense, and proper plari were laid before parliament, they would be disposed to give the other half. His hon. friend the member for Bridport said there had been no similar cases. He could assure him that there had been innumerable such cases. There was the case of the river Barrow, and of- the Cam; bultheiresenivalasPeeial A. very considerable portion of the navigation of the Shannon belonged to the crown, and they were annually voting sums of money for the imperfect maintenance of the navigation of that river. Mr. PRYINE.—HOW does it belong to the crown ? The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER.—IL was vested in the crown by the laws of the land. These were, as he said before, several precedents : he would not speak of the Caledonian Canal, which, he believed, was a failure, but them was the. Highland Roads and Bridges, the interposition of parliament in which case, according to Mr. Telford, was the means of advanc ing Scotland a hundred years in civilization. There was also the Holyhead-road, the Menai Bridge, and the Plymouth` Breakwater, and various other cases in which that house had interposed. They could not expect that the local parties would. submit to a proposition for binding their county rates for the repayment of this money unless the house pledged itself to the principle, and to advance the none y if a good case were made' out. On these grounds he prayed the house to allow the bill to remain in its present state. He had done his duty in proposing the bill—he had done his duty by the committee and by the public ; and he hoped the house would enable him to treat with the parties in Ireland. with whom he could treat effectively if they saw that house disposed to entertain a favourable view of the present case. The bill then underwent a short discussion in the committee and was passed. The report ordered to. be received on Monday. Some other, bills were then forwarded a stage. THE IRISH CLERGY. The CHANCELLOR of the EX C HEQU ER , in asking leave to bring in this bill, explained its objects and provisions at some length. So long, he said, as the possibility of a hope existed that the . great question relating to the Irish church was likely • to be settled, government had abstained from bringing this bill forward. It would be seen by the votes.of the other house, that no steps were likely to be taken to forward the Irish church bill throng+ parliament during the present session; that Lill .had, in point of fact, been abandoned by his Majesty's govern- . ment, on the ground . that it would not be satisfactory to t he pec rile or to that house in its present shape. It was not, therefore, the intention of government to proceed further with that mea sure, not did it seem likely that any steps would betaken by any member of the other house to advance its progress beyond the stage at which it had arrived. By the la*, as it at present stood. if would be imperative on the government to put in suit all" claims which the crown had for the re c ov er y o f the instalments due under the million act by the Irish clergy. They would he 'compelled, however reluctantly, to adopt proceedings under that act against the whole body of the Irish clergy, even in eases in• which they might know that the parties had no means of paying the demand, or that such a step could be taken without any good - effect. (Hear.) He, for his part, would not undertake, in his capacity of a minister of the crown, the responsibility of not dis charging his duty—the responsibility of, in short, suspending the law of the land. If it became necessary to enforce the writ ten law against the Irish clergy, he could not withhold his sanc tion from such a proceeding, and certainly, unless the bill which he purposed introducing were adopted, the government would be bound to use every exertion in their power to enforce those claimsno matter whether the party had the means ofpaying or not. (Hear.) The house, however, would ag r ee with him in saying that it would be not only unjust but positively oppres sive, to enforce the law in such a way in cases in which it could be made to appear that the clergy had not received their in comes, and could not, therefore, be expected to pay. (Hear.) The object of this bill was not to remit a single farthing of those claims, but to give the government authority, in case it could be shown that any individual clergyman was not in a condition to pay, to suspend ail proceedings for the instalment due by him, until parliament should have reassembled again. If this bill were nut passed, the government would have no alternative but to proceed against every member of the Irish church, whether they possessed means to satisfy the demand or not. There were many of the Irish clergy who had earnestly entreated parlia ment to pass the Irish church bill, but there were othei s who bad given opposition, of so unjust a nature; to that measure, as to disentitle them to all courtesy. They would semi learn what was the result of the defeat of that bill; but at present all he asked of the house was, to grant to the government legislative authority or power to abstain from the adoption of legal pro ceedings against all such individuals as should be proved inca pable of paying, for a term extending only to the sth April nett. (Hear.) He. did not mean to propose that the claims should altogether cease; on the contrary, he intended that the right to enforce their recovery,'on the part of the crown, should again revive in all respects, unl es s in the mean time a new bill were brought under consideration, or a grant of public money were obtained to render proceedings unnecessary. (Hear.) The power which government sought by this bill might Learned a dispensing power; and he trusted that those whom be had the honour to address would not only perceive that the proposition was a just and reasonable one, but admit that thtiy, and those who acted in connexion with them, had done all in their power to settle this question consistently with the principle of the reso lutions which had passed that house, and from which he, for his own part, was not disposed even in the slightest degree to re-- treat. (Cheers.) They evinced nothing like personal or vin dictive feelings in their proceedings on this subject, and had shown every possible disposition to consider it not only upon principles of justice, but with a view tot he proper maintenance of the church establishment itself. The government had been' charged with being the enemies of the church—with desiring to, , work its destruction—but their proposition, if carried into effect, would, he thought, be a triumphant answer, the best that could be given to.the false imputations which had been cast, not only on their inearares, but their motives, for it would prove, beyond, the possibility of doubt, that they were neither indifferent about the rights of the church, nor unsolicitous for the well-being or the clergy. . (Cheers.) It was for the protection of the •clergy' - that his Majesty's responsible advisers now proposed bringing in this measure. But without trespassing further on the patience of the house, he would move for leave to bring in a bill to alter and amend the act of the 3d and 4th William IV., for the relief' of the owners of tithes in Ireland. The bill was read a first time and ordered to be read a second time on Monday (yesterday.) THE LORDS' JOURNALS. On the motion of Mr. EW ART, a committee was appointed to search the lords' journals, for the purpose of aseertaininu what had become of the prisoners' counsel bill, and the bill for the abolition of capital punishments, sent up to the lords several months ago. Several petitions were then presented to the house on various subjects. INDEPENDENCE OF THE LEGISLATURE. Sir J R. REID presented a petition, numerously and re spectably signed, from the inhabitants of the borough and port of Dover, entreating that house to preserve to each branch of the legislature its coequal and independent rights and privi leges, and deprecating in the strongest language possible, and as fatal to the well-being.of the country, any attempt to controul . or overawe the free deliberations and course of procedure of the other house of parliament. (Hear, hear, from the members on the opposition benches, and cries of " Oh, oh!" from the mem- • bets on the ministerial benches.) He must say that, from-the bottom of his heart, he concurred in the sentiments avowed by these petitioners, and be could not let that opportunity pass without expressing the admiration with which he viewed the conduct of the house of lords in reference to a measure which was to come under discussion in that house on Monday next. Colonel SIBTHORP could not allow the petition to be placed on the table without saying he most heartily concurred in its prayer, and the manly expressio of honest English feeling which it contained. He was quite sure the example thus set by • the right-thinking men of Dover would be universally adopted throughout the country. Dr. BOWRING observed that the hon. and gallant gentleman knew little of the feelings of the country, when he supposed that petitions similar to this would he forwarded in numbers to that house. The hon. and gallant gentleman was not aware, perhaps, that a counter petition was actually in the course of signature at Dover. Sir J. It. ItErn not only knew the fact which the honourable g,entleniau stated, but he was also acquainted with the means taken to get the counter-petition up, and the parties who weie to sign it. Mr. SANDERSON presented a similar petition from Col chester. • The petitions were ordered to lie on the tab!e. • Some other business was then disposed of, and the house ad o urued at three o'clock.