Northern Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1859-04-01 00:00:00

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CHARLES TITRMEAU, AMERICAN SOLACE. TO CORRI AMUSEMENTS, MEETINGS, & um—Madame Celeste. VARlETE—Minellalleo liseellaneous advert rt communications not -THIS DAY. ments on Bth page. trader no c sarily for ROYAL Amr "[ENGLER'S C.ll THE PARISIAN GALI ROYAL COLLOSSEHM. eit — For particulars s Et) Itintt*ll Einvo FRIDAY, APRIL 1, 1859 THE ASSIZES. During the Assizes, we shall publish an Evening Edition, daily, at 5 o'clock, giving the proceedings in both the Civil and Criminal Courts up to the hour of going to trade, in order to secure a supply of papers, eir orders early each day. must give t THE DAY'S NEWS The proceedings in the House of Lords last night were very short, and quite unimportant. In 'the House of Commons, in reply to Mr. Brady, Mr. Sotheron Estcourt stated that it was the intention of the Government to introduce a bill after Easter for the better regulation of the Corporation of London. The Solicitor-General apologized to Lord John Russell for the observations made by him in the course of his speech on the Reform Bill debate, and said he meant nothing personal. The adjourned debate on the Reform Bill was then resumed by Mr. Ducane, who supported the government. Sir Robert Peel followed, and said the subject had been almost exhausted. He advocated a liberal extension of the franchise to the working classes, and should support Lord John Russell's resolution. Mr. Gaskill, who supported the Government, was followed by Mr. Blaney, Mr. E. C. Egerton, Mr. Cobbett, Mr. Collins, Mr. Western, Mr. Hodgson, &c., when Lord John Russell's resolution was carried in the form of an amendment; and the House then adjourned to Monday next. The revenue returns for the quarter ending yes terday, show a decrease of £820,000, largely attri butable, of course, to the falling off in the income tax. Customs, as compared with the corresponding q u arter of 1858, show a nett increase of about X 32,000. There will be a decrease in excise of about £65,000. Stamps give an increase of about £B,OOO. Taxes exhibited an increase of about £4,000. In income tax the actual reduction is about £920,000. The Post-office yields an increase of about £125,000. With regard to the account for the year, the customs will be increased •to the extent of fully £1,000,000. The excise duties are increased by £76,000, a less sum, however, than was anticipated from the alter ation in the duties on British Spirits. On Stamps an increase will be over half-a-million. On !Taxes the increase will be about £lO,OOO. The falling off in the Income Tax, owing to the reduced rate, reaches nearly £5,000,000. The Post-office Revenue has increased in the year by £280,000. The result on the whole financial year is a nett decrease of £2,400,000 ; but for the falling off in the Income Tax, there would have been a positive increase of £2,500,000. _ . In the Parliamentary votes, the amendments to Lord John Russel's resolution stand in the following order : Mr. Wild's ballot resolution, Mr. Stuart Wortley's resolution, Mr. Crook's proposition for residental manhood suffrage, and lastly, the amend ment of Mr. Roebuck. The original motion is that the bill be read a second time. Lord John Russell has moved, that all the words after that in the original motion be left out, and that the words, " contained in his resolution," may be inserted instead. Should the first divison be in his favour, then before his resolution is - put, substantive amend ments like that of Mr. Roebuck's may be brought forward, and the House cannot adopt Lord John's resolution until they have been in some way disposed of. Three days later news from America will be found in another column. The trial for the Hon. D. E. Sickles, for murder, was fixed to take place on the 22nd ult. It is stated in the Canadian .advises that the new Tariff Bill is likely to succeed. In other respects, the news is devoid of interest. The weekly meeting of the Toxteth Park Board of Guardians was held yesterday. Those of our readers who wish to know of a public office being made a pretext for being ill natured, we would direct to the column in which we report the proceedings of the board. What a blessing the ratepayers of the sur rounding townships of Liverpool would confer on themselves and others, if, before electing men guardians of the poor, they would see to it that these men are guardians of their own tongues, tempers, and actions. From the report of the Medical Officers of Health, read at the meeting of the Health Committee yester day, it appears that the state of the public health is satisfactory, the deaths being 31 less than the cor rected average of the same week for the last ten years. The deaths from lung diseases were rather more than usual, but it is well known tha t this class d i seaseof proves fatal to affected persons at th is time of the year more than at other season. on the whole, however, in a satisfactory state at present. The pressure of local news this morning has com pelled us to omit from our impression to-day a great variety of information intended for publication, and prevents us noticing here the various meetings re ported at length in accompanyi ng columns. THE STILL CRITICAL STATE OP EUROPE. NOTWITHSTANDING that a Congress has been agreed upon, —its constitution , conditions, time and place of meeting, and all the rest, understood to be settled, —still there prevails, it seems, on the Conti nent, a dread apprehension that, after all, war is as likely as not. " It will be some source of satisfac tion to your lordships to know," was the language s , addressed by the Foreign Secretary in the Upper House of Parliament the other night, " that, although the disarmament, which I could heartily wish should take place immediately as preliminary to the Congress, is not yet determined upon, both Austria and Piedmont have formally made a decla ration that they will not attack one another, but will abstain from hostilities, Unless, therefore, some untoward and almost impossible accident should occur, we may hope that peace will- not be broken, and that the Congress, which will take place probably at the end of next month, will have those results which your lordships and all Europe desire." But however hopeful in itself such an intimation as this may be, it is not borne out, it would seem, by the facts of the case—either in France or Piedmont, at any rate, whatever it may be in Austria Not only is there no " dis armament" going on in either of the two just named countries, but something the very reverse of any such proceeding appears to be der of the day. eder letter from sa a ys sta a te of alarm and anxiety. ‘ T ‘Paris,,. h T e he gr p e ‘ a u‘ t eb9 m lilic a t j in o h r ue i er ty e,4l" still look upon the Congress as a mere sham—a stratagem devised between France and Russia to drive Austria to extremities." And there would seem to be only too much reason to entertain such an apprehension. The fact of one of the great stirrers-up of all the strife, Count CAVOUR, being in the French capital, and, every day since his arrival, having been closeted for several hours with the EMPEROR and with Count IVALEwsKI ; whilst at the same time the French armaments; rather than " disarmaments," are still being aug mented, and got ready for action ; certainly cannot but favour it. One of the latest telegrams from Franc• announces, for instance, that " Government has decided upon adding a fourth battalion to each of the hundred infantry regiments of the line ;" and that " new battalions are also to be formed out of the third and sixth companies of each already existing battalion." What all this persistence in warlike preparations can mean, if we are really to have peace, it puzzles one to imagine. Piedmont, too, makes no sign of falling back into a pacific course, but continues to bristle he- er bayonets, in all directions, as formidably as ever And there is one party that seems to be busily illustrating, in connection with this preparation for a conflict, the old adage of its being an ill wind that blows nobody any good. " The Swiss," we read, " true to their passion for hard coin, appear to be making money even out of the Lombard emigrants who pass through the federal territory on their - way for enlistment. The Swiss gensdarmes are said to charge a toll of 10f. to every individual." This enlistment is apparently still going on as briskly as ever ; which certainly does not look very ouch like peace. The feeling of Russia towards Austria is acknow ledged to be hostile,—the old sore about the Principalities, and the refusal of Austria to favour Russia in any way during the Crimean war, not yet being closed up. To this feeling is it attributed, that Russia has just prohibited the negociation of the last Austrian loan throughout the empire. Then, as regards the issue of the deliberations of the coming Congress—or rather its right to decide upon the questions at issue,—we see the Gazette de France protesting against the assumption by the Great Powers of any control over the Lesser States. " The sovereign authority assumed by certain Great Powers," it is observed, " over the destinies of States of secondary rank, takes its source in a spirit of conquest. By right, no nation can declare itself arbiter of the fate of another nation ; whatever may be the difference existing between them in numerical strength and territorial development. The argu-' ment, ' because I am the strongest,' has no longer value, or at least should no longer have any in a period like ours, when civilisation has opposed to it the admirable maxim There is no law which can prevail against right.' From this alsolute precept, which no consideration of ncoca.,ity can change, proceeds the right possessed by the small States of living in independence and freedom, and of not allow ing any. other Power to lay down to them the law." Now if this is the spirit in which the proceedings of the approaching Congress are to be encountered by any of the parties to it, not only will it be " a mere sham," but, what will be far worse, a delusion and a snare, and one which may lead to incalculable mischiefs Piedmont is obviously very ill-advised in what she is represented to be still doing, or, at any rate,. meditating and preparing to do. Well would it be for her, and for Italy too, did she avail herself of the chance now presented of falling back upon a sounder and quieter policy. "Itis a piece of good fortune for Piedmont," says a contemporary, " which she had no right to expect, and can hardly be said to have deserved, that she should have another oppor tunity of resuming that position of dignified independence and enlightened freedom which had secured to her the respect and the sympathy of Europe. By returning to the policy from which she has so unfortunately departed, she will serve the Italian cause far better than by insidious alliances and unjustifiable So long as she confines herself to aggressions the maintenance of her own independence and the promotion of the principles of liberty by a living example, she will have the unanimous and' decided support of that European opinion which has been compelled to disapprove her recent course." Were she but detached from France, this might be hoped for,—and along with it the maintenance of the peace of Europe. But Count CAVOUR, if not also his Royal master, cannot be expected to shake off that entanglement so easily,—an entanglement which the Piedmontese Premier's visit to Paris this week has, in all probability, rendered still closer than before THE COURT The Earl of Derby had an audience of the Queen on Weinesday, at Buckingham Palace. The Prince Consort, attended by Colonel the Hon. A. Hardinge, visited the Duchess of Cambridge at her residence in St. James's Palace. The Queen and the Prince Consort honoured the performance at the Princess Theatre with their presence on Wednesday evening. THE ELECTION OF GUARDIANS FOR TOXTETH-PARK. The nomination papers for the election of guardians for the parish of Toateth-park will be issued this morning. Th en are two lists of candidates, which are as follows . S Siddeley ... Aigburth-road .. draper W Leyland .. 72 and 74, Miles-street . builder M A Johns .. 127, Park-street .. coal agent J Harrison ~. 39, South Hill-road .. ironmonger J B Hughes ... 77, Mill-street .. architect A Grindrod .. 13, Mill-street .. pawnbroker H S Alpass .. 331, Park-road .. chemist W Warke .. 3, Upper Hill-street .. surgeon N Ellison .. 80, Prince Edwin-street .. contractor G W Hunter .. N ort h um berland-street .. spirit merchant J Brundrit .. T6B, Mill-street .. bacon factor A Pickup .. 18, St. James'-place .. pawnbroker W Wainwright .. Wellington-villa,Wel-rd .. gentleman Gilbert .. 90, Mill-street .. grocer W Davis .. 48, Mill-street .. grocer A Horsfall .. 22, St. James'-place .. millwright J Pierce .. 3, St. James'-walk .. timber merchant W H Ogden .. 333, Park-road .. ironfounder A Miller ... Miles-street .. builder Joseph Wilson .. Devonshire-road .. gentleman . John Wilson .. St. James'-place .tallow chandler John Moss .... U m p il p h e s r t l r ' e a e r t liament-street . ... gentleman wine Henry Layland merchant John Rogers .. Grove-park .. draper J D Carter .. St. James'-place ... builder Wm Baynes .. Windsor-street .. builder Wm Johnson .. St. James'-place ~ corn dealer A Chalmers .. W e llington-road ... ship chandler 8 Glover .. Windsor -street .. chemist Henry Boote ... Mill -street .. tea dealer John Scourfleld ... Warwick -street .. builder Isaac Denton .. Park-road . builder M Dowbiggin .. Park-road .. provision dealer Hugh Toole . • Mill s t reet tallow chandler . E H Diggles ... St. Ja mes '- p l ace .. ;tobacconist Thomas Lloyd' .. 45, Mill-st ree t dyer Thomas Rogers .. St, Jatnes'l .. laca .. draper THE NORTHEnN TIMES FRIDAI, APRIL 1, 1859 THE - LATEST TELEGRAMS• FRANCE. OPERATIONS OF THE FRENCH IN COCHIN- CHINA. The accounts are to January 30th. The admiral had left with the flotilla to commence operations in the south, and it was said that he intended to attack Saigan, a town which is considered as the granary of Cochin-China, on account of the large trade in rice carried on from it to China. Hue was to be beseiged as soon as the expected reinforcements had arrived. IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. HOUSE OF LORDS.-THURSDAT. The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. existing electoral influence would then be given to one Class, withOlit any countervailing balance. He analysed the effects of the measnrc upon the town and county constituencies. It increased the consti tuencies of the counties in a greater degree than those of the town, and yet left the number of members almost as it found them. How could they expect that this state of things would be submitted to without a further cry for a redistribution of seats. No one Could say how the proposed system would work politically, but it was quite evident that the present county constituencies would be swamped by the new voters. He examined the enfranchising clauses of the bill, pointed out their constituencies such as given a vote on account of £6O in the savings' bank and £lOO in government securities, and contended further that they afforded no test of respectability more than this, they only extended to a small portion of the working classes. A man with a large family could not put money into the savings' bank. The savings' bank suffrage alone did not, therefore, afford a fair opening to:the working classes; but the issue as to the extension of the franchise to the working classes was not fairly raised by the resolution. That resolution provided against the transfer of the borough voters, but that was already provided for, though somewhat irregularly, by the clauses proposed by the Government. With ,respect to the last part of the resolution, nothing couldbe more vague and uncertain. It pledged the house to nothing, and would be satisfied by the most trivial addition to thebill itself. If it meant anything, it meant that the bill should be kicked out without further con- sideration. He, therefore, could not .support it. With regard to the bill, he must tak& into 'consideration the declaration that an impartial consideration would be given to, all propositions which might be brought forward. These deelaiatimis ought to relieve any one from all doubts as to the propriety of voting for the second reading. The government had said as much as they could be expected to say. They had not pledged themselves as to what they would accept, neither had they pledged themsoives that they would reject anything. The majority of the house was evidently of opinion that the question ought to be settled that year, and that the bill in its present shape would not settle it, but he be lieved that it might be so adapted in committee to the wishes of moderate men, so as to be made a satisfactory measure. The adoption of alteration by the government in this peculiar posi tion would not affect them as it would if they had commanded a large majority in the house. The situation was peculiar•, and demanded exceptional treatment. He objected to the bill, as a departure from the old ways of the constitution, and hoped that they would return to them when they considered the matter in committee. _ _ . Mr. Rocbucl said that the British constitution extended its influence over the whole world, and therefore was of 'import to the destinies of mankind. They were about to reform the Reform Act. What was it they were called upon to change. The position of that house had been subject to constant fructuations. The power orthe House of Commons had been, up to 1332, accompanied with the' increasing power of the landed interest, and up to that time England was governed by as absolute an aristocracy as ever ruled a nation. The bill of 1832 did not transfer the power from the aristocracy to the middle classes, but it shared the powers between the two. The bill wus subject to the great fault of including the working classes. These classes hod increased in education and intelligence since that time, and were fully entitled to the confidence of the country. The two great objects which , they ought to have in view; was therefore .the enfran- chiiement of the - working classes, and the regularity of the electoral bodies. It was said that there was danger in throwing the power into the hands of the working classes, but a majority could never have an interest contrary to that of the coun try —a minority might have: They had had an interest contrary to that of this country, and they had used it so as to produce dear bread all over the nation. bt was the :working classes which had made England what it was. This being the end, he had to consider the means. Many of his friends believed' that no good would be made out of the bill. Be, on the contrary,-believed that much good might be made•of it.• Were they to• trust the management of the question to the present Government, to Lord Palmerston, or to Lord John Russell?' Now, with regard to Lord Palmerston, he never could look upon him as a, reformer ; out of office, he mani fested the most liberal intentions, in office, he was one of the great- est monopolists that ever existed. With regard to Lord John Rue sell,,he waslike a-Chinese lady'sloot ) one whichshe much admired,• but which did not help her on. The mind of the noble lord was so. swathed and bound by party considerations, that he was incapable of enlarged ideas. The noble lord considered the strength of this eountryto be an appanage of Whig politicians ; he himself preferred- the weakness of the present Government to the strength of the noble viscount, with all its arrogance and inso lence: What, then, was his advice ? It" was to cancel the bill.. He demanded a specific answer from Mr. Disraeli whether, if the-bill went into committee, and the house enacted a £6 borough franchise and £lO county franchise, without any transfer of the borough voters, he would in that case resign. If so, he would vote aga.inst the second reading of the bill. If not, h e would support it, believ ing the cause of Reform safer in the hands of the present adminis tration than of any other. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that this was the first time that a bill introduced by a Government had been met as this had been. It would, he declared, increase the constituency to a greater extent than the Reform Bill of 1832.. He declined in the most em phatic terms to pledge himself to the adoption of any provisions in committee. The demand was unreasonable and unfair. The majority of the House was in favour of the principles of the bill. Those principles were the extension of the franchise, the creation of new constituencies, and the retention of the present franchise in boroughs. The resolution, he asserted, only dealt with the details of the measure. They were not to be allowed to discuss the bill on its merits, but this resolution on its details was to be thrust into their hands. No reform bill had ever been intro duced without proposing large disfrancbisements. The bill of 1832 disfranchised many large classes. In subsequent bills, Lord J. Russell proposed the disfranchisement of other classes. Was he met by a resolution declaring that no one ought to be disfranchised t Would he have submitted to have the details of his hill considered when its principles were in question? Recurring to the bill itself, he admitted that many persons, whose opinions were entitled to respect, advocated a £2O occupation franchise in the counties rather than £lO, but what had those already done on this matter._ He entered into the history of the Reform , Bill since 1850 c The Government of Lord Aberdeen, comprising Lord John Russell, Lord Palmerston, Mr. S. Herbert, Sir J. Graham; and Mr. Gladstone, had in 1854 introduced a bill proposing a Lid county franchise. In the face of this they were told, that they ought to have followed the advice of those colleagues whom they had lost. The motion of Mr. Locke Ring followed for introducing the .LlO franchise, it was opposed by Lord John Russell, and negatived by 13. The amount of force brought up by that noble lord, amounted to no more than • the numbers of the majority. The motion was again renewed next year, and the motion of Mr. Locke King was carried by a large majority, Lord Palmerston voting for it. He mentioned this•to show the impractability of proposing in the prcoont Covornmcnt Bzo alatAxihc. x th. 7 }ma pro posed, the struggle now taking: place would have taken place on the very point, an& the expressed opinion of the house would have been brought forward against them. Recurring to the resolution, he said that he would not be so unjust to,the noble lord as to measure his policy by his resolution. It was necessarily under such circumstances a party resolution. The noble lord had declared that his object was to enfranchise the working classes, but he forgot to state the means. But the omission was supplied by the member for Carlisle. That right hon. gentleman was in favour of a groat disfranchisement of small boroughs or large distribution of seats, in important reduction of the borough franchise, and lasts, but not least, a vote by ballot. This was at least a clear and distinct programme. With this came the admission of the right hon. gentleman that he was a confederate in the reso-. lution of the noble lord. The irresistible influence on the noble lord acquiesed in the programme of his confederate leader. Under such circumstances, he did not see why the member for Bir mingham should not act as the trusted and honoured colleague of the noble lord.and the right hon. gentleman. He attacked with great vehemence all proposals for making the working classes the predominant, body in the state. He viewed it with the greatest alarm, which was diminished by sentimental phrases re specting the Drogress and intelligence of the working classes. The bill had. been attacked on account of its so-called proposals for identity of franchise. Why it contained a greater variety of fran- chise than any bill that Nvas'ever yet introthiced. When ft was said that the working classes was not admitted, he replied that they were admitted in a manner which, when the bill was brought into operation, would be satisfactory to them, and was in accordance with the constitution. More than a ninth of the constituency, as it stood,, were working men. Again, it was said that the bill would lead to electoral districts. Now, he confessed that, when he found that the difference between a £5O and a £lO occupancy franchise was all that stood in the way of electoral districts, he felt some The argument might be applied with equal force, that the stem would lead , to.electoral districts. He repeated that while the house was in favour of the principles of" the bill, they were diverted from it, as an amendment which only torched details. The noble leader of the opposition had declared himself in favour of the principle of the bill—he would vote far the second reading, and yet supported the resolution. He had been astonished at the language of the noble lord. Parties had in former days run high, but no man in the• position of the noble Viscount had ever told the Ministry that if they counselled their Sovereign to dissolve Parliament, the House would stop the supplies. After what had occurredsinee he could only treat this threat as a lest. He entered into a warm protest against the restless conduct of Lord John Russell, whose sneers and attacks against Lord Malmesbury at a most critical moment, had he declared on his responsibility as a minister, produced injurious effects on the public service. The constituents of the noble lord cared far less for reform than for peace, and would not fail to demand from the noble lord an account of his conduct. He referred to the diffi culties which beset the ministry at its first assuming office, and pointed to the present condition of the country as a proof that their efforts to surmount them had had not been unsuccessful. He concluded by declaring his trust in the justice of the people of England to sustain them as it had done hitherto, amidst all the manceuvers of political intrigue, and all the machinations of party warfare. _ _ _ The house divided on the as an amendment. For the nendment, 330; against, 291 majority, 39. The resolution being then put as a substantive motion, Mr. Wyld moved an addition, providing that votes be taken by ballot. . Mr. H. Berkeley appealed to the hon. member not to; press his testi- I motion Mr. M. Gibson made a similar appeal Clay, amidst much confusion, moved the adjourn The motion being negatived without a division, The House then divided on the amendment of Mt. Wyld, which was negatived by 328 to 95. The resolution was then put, and agreed to without a division. On the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, it was agreed that the House adjourn till Monday. The House then adjourned at ten minutes totw.o o'clock. THE BOGOTA. CASE.—At the Police-office, yesterday, Mr. Grimmer, solicitor, handed his worship. Z 7, collected from a lady and a few gentlemen, for the wife and children of, Landor, killed on board the Bogota. LIVERPOOL INFIRMARY FOR CHILDREN, 58, HOPE STREET. —Monthly report, March 31.—Fresh patients ad mitted, 108.; patients who have received treatment, 200 ; patients remaining under treatment, 171. Medical officers : Mr. Stephens and Mr. Hey. Surgeon dentist : Mr. Newman . MEETING OF THE RATEPAYERS OP WEST DERRY.— A meeting of the Ratepayers of West Derby was held yesterday morning, for the purpose of nominating overseers, and for the election of members to serve on the Highway Board. W. H. Anthony, Esq. in the chair. The old overseers consistin g of Mr. Whitby, Mr. Abrams, Mr. French, and Mr. Vensley, were nominated. A ratepayer enquired whether the office was for life or hereditary. A reply being made on the negative, Mr. Thomas Corkhill was nominated and carried. The accounts of the Highway Board were read. Considerable discussion of a rather exciting character arose upon the accounts. It would appear, that a large surplus fund arising out of the waste lands of the township ought, by law, be passed to the credit of the rates of the township, but which had, it transpired, from time immemorial, been consumed in the widening of roads abuttinc , upon the mansions in the township. After the accounts had been formally passed, a motion was passed directing the Highway Board, for the future, to insist for a proper appropriation of the surplus funds of the waste lands for the benefit of the township. A list of twenty names were submitted to the meeting to serve on the, highway board fur the coming year, and which was oarr;,.ed by a large majority. There was considerable interest in the division, the meeting having determined tq hav'e what they termed "all new blood." After a Yo.tc Qf tlranks to the Chairman, the business terminated, MEETING OF ISE CIW COMMISSIONERS. REPAIR OF ST. PAUL'S Yesterday, a meeting of the church commissioners 05 held at the Parish Offices, for;the purpose of submitting th.e, annual accounts, and to bring u nder consideration a surveyor', report on the present condition of St. Paul's Church, a l u , I _ 4 _ the repairs considered necessary to the vreservatiou tu edifice. The Rev.- Rector Campbell presided. m ho The accounts were submitted by t h e c hurchwarden , intimated that the collector had been dismissed, he b ein g defaulter to the extent of £B. The accounts showed a e" ficiency in the church receipts as compared with the open diture! . - - , Mr. Roberts called attention to the present state' oft ie church, which, a's a . property, was valueless. He pfn"; against the church being made a convenience f or clergy l the receiving stipends, while there was little done et the spiritual requirements of the district, - and moved that passing of the accounts be deferred for six months. Subsequently, at the suggestion of severa l gentlemen r• sent, Mr. Roberts withdrew his motion, reservin mereuntiliie: future stage of the proceedings. The accounts passed. ; . - - tiny to The Chairman, in reply to Mr. Roberts, explained of a certain extent he was responSible for the care of 50„,,,t all Liverpool but there - was . '-li limited " they' responsibility an act whic- t otr. , some portion of the district in q the was taken off for Vauxhall, He wished N impress on safe meeting his own convictions that so far as da r a el district was concerned it was as well attended to other in the town. So far his responsibility e ndecti, 7 e • Mr. W.. Jones understood their object was t o report from the surveyor as to the present state of the,. of - tbe - The ch Rev. urch. J. H. Stafford explained the rev° °f ro original appointment, and said that he never understotionv was bound to reside in the district; nolo and as to the 6 e 0 duty he took his full share of it. Th e q uestion °'‘ f a r division of the-duties was one for the bishop, and the commiioners A report ss from Mr. Wylie, surveyor, was then r ead. in n s set forth the present state of the (lurch, which 061 , in dilapidated condition, and that the necessary rePll°2bis eluding a warming apparatus, &c., would e05t£895.,,,,-e ot amount did not include works for anything in the 5 ° 'r decoration —,hat 14 The Chairman expressed a hope that, after Nil - gr. been said, Mr. Roberts would be satisfied. ' . tf of Roberts could do anything to increase die nu lll— osa the congregation, no one would more rejoice at 1" himself. - ha la" The Chairman, owing to apresging engagement , t r den, the chair, and was succeeded by the senior eflurchwa Jones ..q 'min that tfre Ihe Uuairman thought it right . to explai application contained in the report came: ober churchwardens of St.. Paul's. They had u° P ° 4 re• nor an y funds to execute those repairs. The In 311 „ - ;ed meat' of St. Paul's and St. John's churches de l 's' did on the commissioners, but the churchward ells pore not think it right, healing the condition of S t " - their churchl to slide out of office and leave the mattet,. ta re, successors. If they resolved to undertake this exrenjote, of at least 41,000, that must be defrayed by a sl 3 l ll/ ' thei as the churchwardens of Liverpool had no fun's' o. would hav,to levy a rate on the parish. Mr. R. A. Payne asked whether it wouldibe•fol special rats or merge in the parochial rate. The Chairman said, it would be out of the paroell' 3 „,adet At the commencement of each year an estimate was" St. and the rate would not cover £9OO to be expended cot the Paul's Church.. If they resclved to make such re p. rate rate next year would have to•be larger by V,OOO. e a. Mr. Roberts thought the original district and t,Lk e t he larg9d one ought to be incorporated, in order to.g rr olis ministers some more enlarged sphere of usefulnes s ' would have the effect of increasing the revenues - 0 of church and securing more eff&tually the perform. 31 1 0 111 the functions for which the church was the endowed. He objected' to the proposed repairs nil district was regally assigned to St. Paul's. r ide° The Rev. Mr. Stafford calledattention to a corresP°,,-, which had taken' place with the- Bishop, as to toheell district, the result of which was that the district 10 1 gr. legally assigned ; so that there was such a thing td'isitict Roberts required now in existence. A more legal 7,00 could now be made, and it contained more than persons. t The Chairman : Out of a district - of 7,00 0 you g e at church. (Hear, hear)t he • Mr. Hutchison explained the• course adopted btithel churchwardens as to the rates.. Having found tha were improperly levied, they adopted a plan of seP,„ s a tot the rates, as to what was obligatory and what was"cir'lnit That was the- plan now adoptect in the bills, ane-d th worked very well. For convenience they niq u a - nds repairs of" St. Paul's Church, and certain- stipends be paid out of the parochial• rate, and the 1eg:3 1 14 of the day convinced them. they would be- dusts chose' paying for the repairs out of the poor rate if theY b i t set , Those repairs were therefore compulsory on sot:ci f , to provide for. He might state- that £4OO had be e 'i A t 11 " time ago authorised to be spent on that church,,,erefoOt steps had yet been taken in reference to it ; t' so tt the commissioners had £4OO in their possession, Or it was only a balance which they had' to take for. If they passed a resolution to spend 'M I w" 7ould . not have to be paid out of the special rate . ° IN A° inhabitants, but only by increasing. the parochiaLl,r`A the extent of td or Ad in the pound. He thong ".x. ant ever, there might be a. balance at the end of theye,'„,' ba in that case they would not have to increase the 0", f ear; the expense could be paid , out of the rate levied it He referred .to act 2, G 00..• 111., cap.` 68 rel; ( 311 ; bound the commissioners to keep those churches as and could not be shackled. by any conditions such Roberts wished to attach to it In reply to a question by Stafford said that the bis • Roberts, the 1 4/ "Tar r hop's secretary, el' 11° ,t than them he could not ziv at pt more legal daric - „ hat. o ef'' r. Johnson thought Mr. Stafford had sli' vr " - ti t on " it o The really important cln - -------- ...mild sanction at the Easter '-'4;%. expenditure of £l,OOO out of the parochial r3tes Tha church costa great deal of money, and, nor, i 4 t 11 : 35 : d ing the activity of the clergymen, all they out", ne ,lic7t that they owned the bricks and mortar. Theyh3u materials. within the walls. Those gentlemen , 4 " f g d had the success which usually crowned the efi br h - t r:1 1 hard-workino. industrious clergy. Certainly the c h — t he P h ; not secured the purposes of its founders, and which ; nen ' lie had a right to expect from the labours of clett . Y pub something like £6OO annually out of tli e s go glen vow,, the question was, whether they expenditure or not. He 1111(1 like 0 be desirable to was. whether tli funds. the miler know whether it wonl to postpone it for twelve months, t any increase took place in tee g.• .- tIls• believed the public woilld grant the inoll b u t 10 were as well filled a s St. John's—(hear, hear; t Johnson) must candidly-confess that he would O t o t e l a nd a churchwarden who would venture to propose : with the present desertion of the people from th ipore_ 4 o especially now, when, meetings are being held here. vtbf spiritual efforts ;- for if churches were too ' large' o h;ic e ro tt the use of building new ones ? With a vie,L L the re matter properly ventil a t e d, h e wou ld propose ' of the sitrveyor j bePostpene - d - foithe present. t he Mr. Roberts seconded the motion. _ thatlfers_ The Chairm c T hur y ch sho c u o i ro d ea d i es a. sai n i ontwhersiotuhgllvittehreewiedhtehuaril:inhi dealing .a:viJ the]othhsto; i e.:steeyo ri ac . t , t::: . money he they should take a business view of til'a wit' i x well' ow , _ ---,.. reference to the question whethe r crtiast the it otherwise. It apphur~lz• o a 00 4nnistera had done all they could in the ohar eht e of l i y commissioners were called upon for theconvenieac spent! people gathered together by a spasmodic offc' r t ( fld bui nvi s l d a . n il l i:t l t i h o e f e t . money nurch for that numlier for' half the mewl .`" a ine' amounting £.l. 000. WhY , their; the 511,4.. old(Heheeara,thseuaerh.)anßeextpteernsdeo. that than O r : a tv,, the Mr. C t r e o h p is p e e h r , said that a a p s p t ro o p, t ri he ate ba d la n th co a rcaliald i "M a r. Hu • if e -ttra 'or • ht say "You have been so ' be $ 4 ~..,, an d it would mak e i parishioners mi we won't pay you another rate ► - foo tion whether they could compel them• the puthe rates on, on e i with tea b Mr. Hutchison said th t rotes on such POO that all the parishioners might be dealt oollee The balance of the previous rate should be church, th e edifice, levying a ne w one. - ba n • Mr. J. R. Jeff ery thought the first guestic* tliel ort t fs consider was and prevent its whether they were bound intoaP„,,, thought Parliament there was no doubt upon that point— t", to 61 nothing r ent was explicit—but they were called 111)..°1ntb./0 with the more. e He certainly must express l_li:_'?,i01.110., going de,,c'e' set ro him to hear the which riia d e• remarks had been 0 chin he told them 44_, , he had a district of 7,000 soul; AOO - n'un'wb nad. cost £13,000 originally; that X,.. l .` c i a ce& attendance to be spent upon it ; that be LL3 0010 11 for 1,658 persons to sit, and that the _,,, 0 n , attendance was no more than 100 individuals7boore! (Mr. Jeffery) had ' tie told them that Mr. Stafford for twenty-five all th 3 Sac years, and after labouring tbo t ss ..4 this was the result of his labours, it was clear A (1 this 70 state of • things must be exceedingly •nful .c. ll Ive r .t pai • . 1 . tic , i . the more so, seeing that it was not in Rio A th at be relieve him. But he might venture to sag i g f, e 0 , 1, 0 ,0 was in his own power to relieve hill' s° 1101(110 saw no other way than this—that Mr. Stafford not til ts; It into his serious consideration whether be Nco tl d gobe r it desirable t 4 teitdor his resieati,4ll. ('"... PRICE OF WHEAT IN FRANCE The Moniteur publishes the monthly return of the price of wheat in France. The highest price is 19f. 41c. per hectolitre, at Marseilles, and the lowest 13 f. 11e., at Verdun. The average for the whole of France is 15f. 171 e., being a decline of 6Le. on the last return. THE FRENCH FUNDS PARIS, Thursday, 1 15 p.m.—Bourse opened very quiet. Rentes 68.10. 3 55 p.m.—Rentes close 68.10 for both money and account, being a fractional decline since yesterday. Little doing. TURKEY. TRIESTE, Thursday, March 31.—The Austrian Lloyd steamer brings advices from Constantinople to the 26th inst. Omer Pasha is expected here from Belgrade. Troops were des_ patched to Sophia the day before yesterday. Aacording to advices from the Caucasus, the Russian General had made proposals of arrange ment to the chiefs of the Circassians. There are here continual fresh arrivals of troops from Anatolia. The payments due to the troops of this place have been made. GERMANY. DRESDEN, Thursday, March 31st.—The Dresden Journal states that the five powers may be regarded as having agreed to the preliminaries of the approach ing Congress. The day of the assembling will be probably the 30th April next, but the place of meet ing is not yet settled. ITALY. The Daily News learns from Venice that informa tion had reached that city that the Colonel of a Hungarian regiment, tried by court martial and sen tenced to be shot, at Verona, for having attempted to peysuade his regiment not to fight against the Italians, was immediately carried into effect. AMERICA. The North German Lloyd steamship Bremen has arrived at Southampton, from New York, with the United States mails of the 19th. Shl has 136 pas sengers, $150,000 in specie for England, and $120,000 for France. The Weser steamer, from Queenstown, arrived out on the 18th. The Asia (s.) from Liverpool, fourteen days out, arrived at New York just before the Bremen left. The steamer Pacific, from Galway, had arrived out on the 18th of March. „ The more warlike news by the Weser, which reached New York in twelve days from Queenstown, had not so far had any effect on the markets. Stocks were duller, but prices did not vary materially. The political news by the Bremen is not important. The Hon. Mike Walsh was found dead in an area, in New York, on the morning of the I7th. The Postmaster-General had threatened to resign unless means to carry on his department were placed at his disposal. The overland mail had arrived from San Francisco with news to the 21st February, but it is not important. Accounts from Caracas, Venezuela, to the 3rd March state that the country was full of attempts at revolution. News from Toronto states that the New Canadian tariff Wag likOly to pOOO. The American Minister in China states that an extensive trade in Coolies is carried on between China and Cuba. The Coolies are entrapped and barbarously treated. Sickles trial for murder was to commence -on the 22nd ult. COMMERCIAL, Money was working easier. Strictly first class paper taken at 6 per cent. Exchanges on Europe quiet, and rates generally unchanged. Sterling 1096 to 104 At New York the cotton market was firmer on the basis of 121 c. for middling uplands. The sales of the last day were 3,500 bales. Flour less active. Common grades of State and Western heavy, and prices somewhat easier. Southern in demand at full prices. The firmness of holders checked sales of wheat, but prices remained unchanged. Corn in good demand, and more active, without any change in quotations. Pork heavy, and prices in favour of buyers. NEW ORLEANS, March 17th. - Sales of cotton to-day were 3,000 bales at 11,1 c for Middling. Mess pork, 18$ 50c. BALTIMORE, March 18th.—Market for all articles unchanged and quiet, excepting wheat, whit at 163 for red was buoyant THE AUSTRALIAN MAIL. SOUTHAMPTON, Thursday.—The Royal Mail ste rner Teviot, from Alexandria, with the heavy portion of the Australian mail, passed Hurst Castle at 11.40 this morning. THE RIBBON TRIALS AT BELFAST At the sitting of the court on Thursday morning Henry Smith, Bernard Smith, James Donaghy, Frances MlGowan, William Laverty, William Funnighan, James Kelly, Patrick Kelly, David M‘Leigh, Hugh Finlay, John Finlay, Daniel M'Kenna, Daniel Barr, and John Macauley were put on their trial for being members of an illegal secret society, and and corresponding with members as such. Sir Thomas Staple, (Q.C.), Mr. Robertson, (Q.C.), Mr. Joy, (Q.C.), and McKerman, represented the crown. Messrs. Ferguson and Hamil defended the prisoners. Sir Thomas Staples stated the case for the crown. Hugh Carolin and John Kelly, the informers, were examined; their statements went to show they were members of lodge number twelve, meeting in Belfast, and that all the prisoners were members with the exception of Macauley, a member of No. 13, who was present as a visiting member when the arrests were made. They detailed the constitution and objects of the society, and repeated the declaration of secret and brotherhood made on admission as a member, and the secret signs and passwords in use amongst the members, and which were changed yearly. They deposed that they had not held any communication with each other, or any members of the lodge, No. 12. The witnesses were cross-examined at great length by counsel for the defence. (From the Northern Whig.) The trial of the fifteen persons charged with being mem bers of an illegal society commenced this morning, at half past nine, before Baron Fitzgerald. The prosecution on the part of the crown was conducted by Sir Thomas Staples, Mr. Kernan, and Mr. Clone. The prisoners were defended by Mr. Samuel Ferguson, Q.C., who appeared for thirteen of the traversers, and Mr. Hamill defended two brothers named Kelly. Sir Thomas Staples opened the case in a speech of three quarters of an hour. The first witness called was Hugh Carroll, one of the informers, who gave evidence similar to his testimony at Mullingar. He was followed by John Kelly, the second informer. Both witnesses testified to the existence of an association, into which they had been endowed, and stated the password taught them by the official members of the association. The cross-examination was chiefly directed to damage their credibility and character. A great deal of interest was attached to some disclosures as to the fact of a note having been written by the approver Kelly, whilst in gaol, addressed to a younger brother. This note was traced to the Crown, by whom it was not produced. After considerable debate, the judge ruled that it was competent to give secondary evidence of its nature and import. The constabulary were next examined, and identified the traversers, as did Mrs. M‘Ray, in whose house the arrests took place, and the servants who were in the house at the time. Sir Thos. Staples proposed the adjournment of the trial till this morning, and the jury, on the ground of the charge being for a misdemeanour, were permitted to return to re-assemble this (Friday) morning. PHENIX CLUB PROSECUTION TRALEB, Wednesday. On an application on the part of counsel for the prisoners for the postponement of the trial, the court consequently adjourned to this (Thursday) morn ing. The prisoners' connsiti having refused to join their challenges, Daniel hiIIYPA, of Bonane, was again put -upon his trial, CIIIIRCH RATES The Duke of Marlborough gave notice that he should next Thursday move for a select committee, to enquire into the mode of assessment and collection of Church Rates. The Indictable. Offences Districts Bill, the Vexatious Indict ments Bill, and the Evidence by Commissions Bills were severally read a third time and passed. Their Lordships then adjourned at half-past five o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—TatrimAr. The Speaker took the chair at four o'clock. CORPORATION OP THE CITY OF LONDON. Mr. Brady asked the Secretary of State for the Home Depart ment, whether it was the intention of the Government to introduce the bill for the better regulation of the Corporation of the City of London, and if so when it will he laid on the table of the house. Mr. Sotheron Estcourt said, that it was the intention of the Government to introduce a bill shortly after Easter. The Solicitor-General referring to his remarks on the conduct of Lord John Russell, made at the conclusion of his speech on the Reform Bill, explained that he meant no personal offence, and im puted no sordid motives to the noble lord. THE ADJOURNED DEtATE, After some discussion as to the time when the debate ought to close, was resumed by • Mr. Du Cane, who expressed his thanks to the Government for having undertaken this difficult question. It might be true, as asserted, that no member of the house had expressed unqualified approbation of the bill, but it would be impossible to introduce any bill on such a subject which should command the unqualified appro - bation of any one. On the other hand, no one on either side has expressed an unqualified disapprobaiion- of the measure. The Government had not declared that they would forte upon the house the bill, the whole bill, and nothing but the bill, but they had declared that they would not accept the bill coupled with the resolution. He protested against that reso lution as intended to stifle discussion on its very threshold. Believing that its adoption would have no other erect than delay, he should unhesitatingly give his vote against it, No measure could have any chance of passing except upon the principles of mutual concession. On these grounds he asked the .house to consider the bill of the Government. The general body of the ministerial supporters would have preferred a bill founded on the principles advocated by Mr. Walpole and Mr. Henley ; but even if such a bill had been introduced, it would have been attacked just as this bill was by the opposition. The opponents of the measure expressed themselves strongly against uniformity of suffrage, yet the hon. gentleman opposite had supported the motion for reducing the county franchise to £lO, which had the same tendency. T Government had felt themselves hound by the decision of the hot _ _ on that motion, and had been unfairly dealt with for having done so. With regard to the bill itaelf, while it contained much to merit his approbation, there was one or two prominext. features in it to which he could not give his consent. Those features were the identity of suffrage and the alteration of the freeholders franchise. These propositions were intimately connected, and must stand or fall together. The identity of suffrage, as introduce into the bill, was no doubt one of its main features, but was not its principal. Had it been so, he must have voted against the second reading ; but it was greatly mitigated by the other franchise introduced in its various provisions, and no one could doubt, from the declaration of The Ministers, that 'the house would' be permitted to modify it in committee to any extent. There were many proposals in the bill which he fully approved ; amongst those were those for the re-. distribution of, seats and the prohibitions against the payment of travelling expenses. Above all, he approved of the man ner in which the bill dealt with the working classes, granting them the franchise on grounds. of their education and intelligence. He believed that the lodging-house and savings' bank clauses would enlarge the franchise to are extent greater than the largest calculations yet made in respect of those franchises. After' passing a warm eulogium on the conduct of the ministers, he declared his intention of supporting them in their endeavours to pass a good measure for the reform of the representation , of the people. They had at present a good oocasion of adopting a fair compromise between the various shades of opinion in that house. --, —. Let them put off the settlement for another year, and the compro-; raise between the opinions of Mr. Bright, of which they knew a great deal too much, and tbe opinions of Lord' John Russell, of which they knew a great dear tbolittle. Sir R.Peel observed that the subject was almost exhausted, and there was little left to be said upon it. But after all that had been said, the question yet remained—where are we?' He had sat out the debate almost without any solution of continuity, and he had heard with amazement the opinions which had come from I%th sides of the house. He had heard ConserVatives who had gave utterance to Radical opinions, and Liberals who. talked conserva tism. Lord Derby had called Mr. Henley his late Radical colleague,. which astonished the squire of Oxfordshire. The minor Conserve:. tive member for Dorsetshire, Mr. Sturt, told them that he was not afraid ofthe people. On the other side, Mr. Horsman had ridden, furiously through the ranks of his own party, where happily he got a fall, and was forced to take ample doses of divers powders. Then there was the Secretary for the Colonies, whose speech had provoked the question—" what will he do with it." It was said that to proceed with the bill, would lead to a. settlement of the question. That argument might weigh with some members, but it did not weigh equally with him. The, resolution was at first sight open to some objection, inasmuch as the noble lord who moved, did not declare in it his own intentions. But such was the pressure of public opinion, that the noble lord would, ' before long, have been compelled to declare his intentions. As for the consequences of adopting this' resolution, he was not afraid of them. Even if it had the effect of postponing the settlement of the question for one, two, or even five years, he believed that whole some agitation of the question would do no harm.. He advocat ,, d liberal extension of the franchise to the working classes ; any bill founded on that principle he would have supported, but to most of the provisions of the present bill he gave hit decided opposition. If the present Government could not deal satisfactorily with the question, let them give place to abler and better, hands. He sup ported the resolution on no party or factious grounds, but as pointing out the main objections of the bill. They would show that the great liberal party could be united when the good of the country was at stake, and maintained its position as the recognised olgrao. of putille oplolvu. Tie lOulse(1 ferivercl wtci, ennimence to the triumphant success of the resolution, which would be hailed with applause by the nation. Mr. Gaskill, admitting that there were many provisions in thebilt to which he could not consent, declared that he could not support the resolution, which raised a false issue, and brought subjects under discussion at the wrong time. He disapproved of the princi ple of uniformity, of establishing a non-residential class of voters. He distrusted the system of voting papers,which he believed would lead to the ballot. But there were subjects to be considered here after with reference to the general question, and he denied that there was any desire on the part of the country for organic reform; and maintained that the agitation which prevailed was more ficti tious than real. It would, under the present circumstances both of this country and of Europe, have been better if the Government had declined to undertake the settlement of the Reform question, for which, he was persuaded, the people were willing to wait. The matter had now got into such a state that they could neither advance nor recede without discredit; but, at all events, let them refuse to hamper themselves with vague and unnecessary conditions Mr. Slaney said that there were parts of the bill which he cor dially approved. It introduced for the first time the principle of giving the franchise to personal property. lie further approved of the lodging-house clause, and the lowering of the borough franchise ; for these boons he gave the government his warmest thanks, but he objected to uniformity of the franchise, the transfer of the borough votes, and the absence of all provisions for lower ing the borough franchise. The inhabitants of the towns their great improvement desired to be further trusted. On thes: considerations he felt bound to support the resolution.. Mr. L. C. Egerton objected to many of the provisions of the bill, and advocated a further extension of the franchise to the working classes. Of the merits, advancement, and good conduct of those classes he bore strong testimony, but the paramount consideration was the speedy settlement of the question, and for this reason he should support the second reading of the bill. If, however, the resolution was carried, he trusted that the govern ment would not forget their duty to the country, and proceed with the bill notwithstanding.' - _ Mr. Cobbett did not approve of the bill, but declared that, as it opened a greater variety of questions than any bill ever produced on reform, he thought that it ought to be allowed to go into com mittee. The bill was so wide in its scope that it opened even the vote by ballot, a proposal for which might be moved on the opening clause. He held the opinion which had been advocated hitherto by none but those members of the government who had framed the bill, that the proposition for transferring the borough voters from the counties was a good one, and in strict accordance with the constitution. lie entered into the history of the borough franchise to show that it was anciently framed on the same basis as that of the ministerial proposition. He advocated the preservation of the distinction of the liorough and county franchise, and thought that the entire body of the 40s freeholders ought to be disfranchised, as they often swamped the rest of the constituencies. He therefore felt himself justified in supporting the second reading of the bill, that its provisions might be properly discussed in committee. He saw nothing sufficiently definite in the resolution to induce him to vote for them, and urged that the bill should be put into Coro rniftee as soon as possible. Mr. Collins objected to the influence of the borough voters in the counties, and approved of the provisions of the bill, which restricted them to their boroughs. The bill, in enfranchising the copyholders and leaseholders only, carried out the principles of the old Reform Act. He did not think that by the provisions of the bill the boroughs would be swamped by non-residental voters, although be should be glad to see a clause introduced into the bill ;ontining the franchise altogether to residents. He defended ti imall constituencies, to the independencies of which la With regard to, the extension of the franchise to the work ing classes, he thought that in certain words it would be well to restore the old scot and lot voters, so as to give representatives to the masses. He saw nothing in the bill to lead to territorial dis tricts. As to the resolution, even it the points raised on it were true, they would not be the house agreed to it. The bill was eapabl improvement. It might be made the basi sofa, wider measure of reform, and he therefore gave it his support. Mr. Western objected to the bid as establishing non-residental voters, to the transfer of voters, and others of the provisions of the bill. He therefore supported the resolution. Mr. W. N. Hodgson thought that theAouse had not treated the Government with candour and fairness, considering the many futile attempts which had been made to settle the question, and the spirit in which the Government had undertaken it. Lie objected to the identity of franchise, but it might be amended in committee. He expressed himself willing to lower the lodging-house franchise to 5s or 6s a week, and further to lower the Savings' Bank clause, and would extend the franchise by other means among the ,dvanced i deserving portion of the working classes. He empressed but small confidence in the 40s freeholders who were often neither independent or trustworthy, and whose votes were easily manufactured. He denied the assertion of his right honourable colleague Sir J. Graham, that the feeling in favour of the Ballot had made progress in Carlisle— it had on the contrary diminished. The Government• had been advised to withdraw their bill—he advised the noble lord to withdraw his resolution, so as to permit the great question to be settled. Mr. Wyvill supported the second reading of the bill, believing that neither Lor 1 Palmerston nor Lord John Russell would be able to pass a satisfactory measure ; the present bill, on the contrary, might be made an excellent measure after passing through cora. mittee. Mr, Hudson denounced the resolution as a claptrap, and its sup porters as scramblers for plaoo. They could not be sincere Reformers, or they would not do what would only postpone Reform. Mr. Walter declared that he should not vote at all upon the resolution, and that he should vote against the bill. He approved neither of the one nor the other. The resolution stated no principle with precision, and committed no one; while the bill required to be gutted before it could be passed. It was, he considered, a mistake for a Government in a confessed minority to attempt to deal in any way with the subject. Mr. Greenall supported the bill. Mr. Gilpin opposed it. Rather than take such a bill, he would prefer to have no bill at all. He did not mean by saying this to express any want of confidence in the Government, except in this particularinstance. He advocated the claims of the working classes, who were admitted to positions of trust in other ways, and yet were not allowed to exercise the franchise. They were trusted with muskets, but not with votes. Mr. Henley said that the bill was a large measure—large in itself, and larger in the principles it contained. It increased the constituencies of the country by one-half. But it did not do these either safely, or so as to content the people. He quoted the estimated numbers of the constituencies, if the bill was carried out, to shew that the whole power of the country would in that cane be thrown into the hallas of ple 9cmiers—the whole