Northern Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-12-17 00:00:00

WEST DERBY BOARD OF GUARDIANS. The weekly meeting of this Board was held yesterday' in the Board Room, at the Workhouse, Henry Edwards, Esq., in the chair. The other Guardians present were Messrs. Pitt, Ledger, Roscoe. Abraham, I. Edwards, Morris, Shaw, Lunt, Metcalf, Perkin, Edwards, Green, Mawdsley, Richmond, Whizby, Wensley, and Sagar. The number in the Hospi al last week were 122 ; admitted, 11; dis charged, 9 ; died, 1. This week, 123 ; corresponding week last year, 120 ; from Toxtet'a park 35. Tne Work house numbers for last meek were as follows : —To'al, 685 ; admitted, 36 ; born, 1 ; diec'eaeged, 22 ; died, 4 This week 696 ; corresponding week last year, 672 ; from Toxteth-park, 4'6, The cheques for out door relief were granted as fo lows : —Mr. Potts, £l2O ; Mr. Olney, £3-1; and Mr. Lythgoe, £23. After the edmission of paupers, and the usual routine business was disposed of, Mr. Abraham said it was usual, at this time of the year, to treat the inmates of the Workhouse to a dinner of bee.' and plum podding. He would, therefor', move that the usual quantity be given this year for a Chrietneae dinner, and to he un'er the management of the Superin tendent of the Fever Hospital. The Chairman put to the Board the motion, which was unanimously carried. Mr. Ledger rose to bring under the notice of the Board a matter which he considered of importance; a resolution had been passed by that board some time ago in reference teethe relieving officers, Allen and Brlam, requesting them to be in attendance : , t the workhouse from 9 o'clock in the morning to 9 o'clock in the evening, and that a book should be kept in which they should enter their names earning in and going out, in order to facilitate the business of the house. And that they (the board) might know when and where to find them. A short time since he made come inquiries, but could not find any such book in existence, and consequently their names were not entered. Last week he celled at the office to see that this should be attended to. He called again this morning, and he was told by Mr. Kennedy that their names had never been entered. He asked the reason, and he was told that they came in at another gate. Now this was a specific resolution, and had been wilfully disobeyed. It now remained for the Board to say whether they would vindicate their authority in this matter. It was then moved and carried that the officers be called before the Board. The officers ware consequently brought in, when the chairman asked the reason of their non-compliance with the resolution Mr. Allen rep'ied that he was about to make an appli cation to the Board for the purpose of having that motion rescinded. He had been now about twelve years an officer, and he never knew of such an order in that or any other Board, and if the Board did not rescind it, be would bring it before the Poor law Beard. He considered it a reflection cast ncein him. The Chairman : What has the Poor Law Board to do with it ? There is no reflection in the matter. Mr. Ledger said that when he first spoke to Mr. Allen on the subject. there was no such objection made. There was no reflection meant. It was in order to give facilities to the guardians when they wanted to see him, or where they could find him, for nothing else but to facilitate beeiness, Mr. Allen said ha could net time himself, his du ies were so uncertain. Mr. Pitts intimated that paupers ware kept waiting about the workhouse for many hours looking for relief. Mr. Cleaver said that this was a cotnplaint that had been made for several years past, and he thought it should be put an end to in some way. Mr. Ledger did not see why he ehould obj-c',:. to have his name put down, while their's (the Guardians) were entered. The Chairman : This Board has a right to make such resolutions as it thinks fit and proper. We are net putting any further chnies on you, and you have no right to com plain of it. Mr. Allen said he thought if the Board did not doubt their attendance, they would not enforce that resolution. The Chairman : So we do doubt it in many cases, I may tell you ; but that is not the only object of the resolution. You may retire. Mr. Wensley considered it would be a great benefit for the paupers to know when the Relieving Officers were to bs found at the Workhouse. It was arranged that a Isoard should be painted and put up for this purpose. Mr. Parkin moved that the Clerk be instructed to write to the' Health Committee respecting the sanitary state of a street close by the Workhouse. There was a very noxious effinv:a arising from it. The motion was adopted unanimously. Mr. Whitby complained of proper notices not being given when m tters of importance came before the Board, such as advance of salaries, &c. He thought notice should be given by circulars. The Clerk said everything done was usual, and read the law on the subject. They might make bye-laws, however. Mr. Whitby then moved that:circulars be sent to each guardian when any matter out of the usual business of the Board is to be brought forward. Mr I. Edwards seconded the motion, which was entered on the notice book. Mr. Lunt observed that, if such had been the case, Dr. Nevins would not have got the advance he did. (Laughter ) He heard two or three gentlemen express their astonish ment at what had appeared in the papers. The following letter was then read : Vicarage. Walton-on-the bill, Liverpool, - December 12th, 1857. Sir,—l havereceived the letter which you have addressed to me, by direction of the Board of Guardians of th r West Derby Union (the first communication, I would observe, which they have directed you to make to me) enclosing a letter from the Bishop of Chester. A few days ago I re ceived a copy of that letter from his lordship. In reply I stated to him that the extract from the table of fees, hanging in the vestry of Walton Church, which you had sent him, was correct, but that it required explanation ; that I had caused it to be explained to the Board of Guardians, and I further explained it to his lordship. In his letter to me he expressed his hope that the point is question may be settled amicably and promptly between me and the Board of Guardians. lam ready, on any convenient occasion, to meet the Board of Guardians, or to receive a deputtaion from the Board, when I hope the matter in dispute between us may be arranged to our mutual satisfaction.—l remain, sir, your obedien servant, THOMAS HORN BT. After some conversation on this matter, it was arranged that the chairman, Mr. Whitby, and Mr. Ledger, should wait as a deputation on the Vicar. A. letter from the Poor Law Board was read, acknow ledging the receipt of the report of the proceedings of the guardians at their meeting on the 9.h ult., which was held for the purpose 'of investigating a charge against Mr. Gough, their master, preferred by Margaret Clarke, of being the father of a child which she gave birth to in November, 185 G. Mr. Shaw moved, !hat the que.qion7of the desirability of having the lunatie3 there, be referred to the Fieanc.,. Committee, to consider the expenses and matters generally. The expease3 were very heavy indeeil. Mr. Abraham seconded the motion, which was carried, without dissent. This was the only business b3fore the Board possessing any public interest. If tl , oi bast a ?nitering servant, Beni burn on thine errand just before dinner. A Nriav " Tonzico QuesTr..w."—Theimportant qnes!ion of the possibility of poito.;ing by cigars impregnated with arsenic has been raised by the recent death, in France, of a priest, named Bottaro, supnostd to have been posonel by another priest. An investigation has been undertaken to ascertain whether it be passible or probable that arseri eated cigars can cause death by the inspiration of their smolce impregnated with volatilise] arservc ; or by is admission in the saliva without such change. And very important are the conclusions arrived at. " There are four ways," rematked the investigators, " in which the introduction of arsenic into Vie animal economy may be effected through the medium of cigars ; by impregnation with a pwerful solution of the poi , on,hy its introducti(at into the candescent end, or as an impalpable powder int the buccal end, so that it may reach and mix with fie saliva during smoking, or finally, in larger quantity hidden in the central part of the cigar. Poisoning is hardly possible in the first or second cases. In the third instance it is inconceivable. It migl:t occur by a combination of two or three of these method?. The question of the formation of araenioretted hydrogen is not settlel." In reading this report, we seam to be transported to the days of the Borgias, when the poisoned taper, falsely bearing the motto " aliis inserviendo consumer," destroyed other existeeces in sacrificing is own ; and when the flowers of the ballroom were scented with alien and lethal perfumes. It is well to be Essur-d that these fabled horrors a-e also impossibilities. The mere suggestion of this most " dele terious sophistication " of tobacco must C rry alarm and discomfort to the soul of any rich uncle in the habit of smoking his favourite nephew's cigars; whilst, for our modern blowers of anti-blasts to tobacco, it furnishes a patent and effective insinuation. This report, however, practically negatives the possibility of such a crime being successfully perpretrated ; since it is oily in those cases where the impalpable powder is made to mix with the saliva, in other words, where detection is almost, inevitable, that this detestable expedient could be effectively em ploy ed.—The Lancet. POLICE INTELLIGENCE -YE ,TERDAY. LIVERPOOL. BEFORE MR. MANSFIELD, AN Acore.teereace—" RELIEF."—Anne Hindley, a well dressed girl, was charged with having stolen a purse containing £2O from Mr. Edward Bunker, the master of the ship Catherine Anne, now in the Brunswick Dock. On the evening of the 28th November, the complainant met the prisoner at the corner cf Nelson-street, and as he had (he said) often relieved her before, she, is return for his kindness, managed to .‘ relieve" him, in a second or two of his purse, which contained a t en , an d a fi ve pound note and over .E 5 in !, with which she got clear off, and was not seen until the previous eight, when he gave her into custody. She was sent for trial. THE £752 ROBBERY —REcovErLY OF THE M ONEY. Margaret M'Cormick, the old woman who stood remanded on a charge of being concerned in the robbery of the above sum of money—as fully reported in our paper of yesterday —was brought up for further examination. In addition to the evidence given on Tuesday, it appeared that the prosecutor, whose nano is George Ransom, came to this country from America, and he described himself as an United States merchant, an i that a day or two since he arrived hare from Cambridge, and went to stop at the Stork Hotel, Queen-square: On Monday night, whilst in a state of " utter drunkenness," he drove in a cab, with a female, from Queen square to the prisoners house in Clement-street. It seemed that the girl, who has not since been seen, got off with his pocket-book and purse, the latter containing twelve sovereigns, the former a cheque for £7OO and £4O in Bank of England notes. It further appeared that the girl must not have examined the contents of the pocket book, or perhaps had not known the value. Some time about one o'clock in the morning, Mr Patrick Doyle, the mate of a steamer called the Trou badora, was passing at the rare of Clement-street, when ho picked up a pocketbook. It was an old greasy looking affair, and very unlikely to contain 1.7-10, and so little aid he think about it, that he was gOing to fling it away. Howerer, he took 'it home, and in the morning he examined ia and found it contained a cheque for £7OO, and £4O in Bank of England notes. He at once proceeded to the Central Police-office, Dale-street, and gave up the book and its contents to Mr. Clough. This was subsequent to the prisoner being brought up on Tuesday. Mr. Clough said he had caused a full enquiry to be made into the character and position of Mr. Doyle, and found him to be a highly respectable man, and indeed his conduct had proved the fact; for if he had chosen, said Mr. Clongh. he could have used the £4O with impunity, as there was .no way of detecting it. The owner of the money —who did not seam to he altogether recovered from the effect ,of his " booze "—identified his cash. He appeared very chary of telling anything about himself, and the only thing ha said was that he Was an United States merchant, or an " emigrant." He was handed his money, when Mr Clough addrested him, aud raid— I tell you now, as I told you before, that you ought to reward Mr. Doyle. Mr. George Ransom, the emigrant, or United States merchant, at present stopping at the Stork Hotel, replied, " Yes, I would, if had :got any change in silver about me !" Mr. Clough : I will manage that for you. Here the parties left the sour-, and as our reporter subse quently learned, Mr. Doyle was offered a sovereign, which ha indignantly refused, but wag subsequently induced to accept of two by the intreaty of Mr. Clough, who had a good deal to do to bring the magnanimous " merchant of the United States" (?) or the " emigrant," to believe that Mr. Doyle had done him any service whatever. [Our own opinion is, that a real United States merchant would have done beter, at(' we say so in order to protect that res pectable class from any apparent want of gratitude—a thing known only by name to a real Brother Jonathan.] THE COFFEE AND "POT" AFFAlR.—Stephen Gibson and William Cato, who were remanded on a charge of having stolen some coffee and metal pots from one of the dock quays, were brought up. Mr. Bluck defended. The details of this case were published in our paper of yester day. In addition.to the evidence given on Tuesday it was proved that 350 pots were missed, but the witnesses said perhaps there was some mistake in the mint of the articles. Mr. Bluck trusted that his Worship would dal summarily with the prisoners, as in a case of not being able to account for possession of the property, as the prisoners had families depending on them for support He would advise them to plead guilty. The prisoners refused to do so. His Worship said, as the prisoners had refused to abide by the very judicious and prudent advice of their able advocate, the only course left open to him (Mr. Mansfield) was to send them for trial. They were accordingly committed. William Dickinson, a boy, was sent to gaol for two months, for stealing some brasses from the steamer Bryan Bhrome, in one of the docks. THE NORTHERN TIMES.-LIVERPOOL, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 17, 1857 pledging ourselves, that all necessary local arragements will be made, and all necessary local expenses provided for. NAME. OCCUPATION, &C. Samuel Holme Alderman, J.P. William Preston Alderman, J.P. H. B. H. Rogers Lieut.-Colonel and Staff Officer. Thos. R9ffies. . D.D. A. Hume, D.O L., LL.D.lncumbent of All Souls. John W. Harden Judge of County Court. J. S. "'NU:infield .. J.P. James Aikiu J P Wm. Gregsou, M.A.... Barrister-at-Law. Adam Hodgson Merchant, J.P. Wm. Calder, M.A. ....Incumbent of Fairfield. Francis A. Power, M.a..lneambent of Beviugton. James Ryley. ..... ...Cotton Broker. Thomas D. Anch.von Merchant, J.P. C. W. Lawrence, M. k..lncumbent of St. Luke's. J. Alex. Wilson, M.A..Clerk in Orders. J. B. Forwood Merchant. Thomas Moore lncumbent of St. Stephen's. W. H. Danny Parish Curate. John Stewart. J.P. Morris Charles Jones Attorney-at-law. John B. Braucher Broker. T. Stamford Raffles Barrister-at-law. H. Muosfield .. Barrister-at-law. A. H. Wylie . E. M. Brodie George Swakson Merchant. R. Hashe Wilson Merchant. Hugh Neill, F.R.A.S Surgeon Christopher Bushell Merchant. Percy M. Dove Actuary, Royal Insurance Comp. J. Chaffers.. J. Townsend So'ioitor. John C. Ward Bookseller, &e. W. F. Taylor, D.C.L lncumbent of St. John's. H. Durlach Teacher Birkenhead. John Evans. M.A Incumbent 01 Grassendale. H. P. Horner Architect. R. H. Sherlock Proprietor of the Liverpool Mail. Adam Holden • Bookseller, Joseph Mayer, F..A G)ldsrnith. Thmas Gibb Newspaper Proprietor. Richard Hunt Frederick A: Fownes .. Glover, C. C. Chambers Silarebroker. David Anderson Wine Merchant. Henry W. Harrison Watch Manufacturer. Richard Stubbs Steck and share Broker. George Philip and San Publisher, &c. R. J. Warmington &c. J. W. Welsh . . Assistant Carato of Liverpool. Thos. B. Golborne ... Merchant, Birkenhead. j F a . lll A. e lk s l E al E. Rile . n, o .. lk .. E ß n a fi nte d r. House, Claughton. J.Thckinson,M A, F.R.S..M.D. Thomas Inman M.D. John Aikin Broker. Charles P. Parker Merchant, J.P. COUNTY COURT-YESTERDAY. (BEFORE J. K. BLAIR, ESQ., JUDGE) BUSBY v. oeovarn—ln this ewe the plaintiffs, Messrs Busby, omnibus proprietors, sought to recover .£3 damages for injuries done to one of their omnibuses, by what they alleged to be the negligence of the defendant's servant. It appeared that on the 25th of August last, the half-past six o'clock omnibus, from the Pier Head to the Zoological Gardens, was going through North John-street. The defendant's carter was backing a horse and float up a gate way in Brotherton's-building. The carter was at the horse's head, and the statement of the omnibus driver was, that the carter suddenly let go his horse's head, and the horse started forward. The shaft of the cart came into collision with the omnibus, broke the window and a panel, occasion ing damage which cost £3 to repair. Mr Hime appeared for the plaintiffs,andcontended that the injuries were caused by the negligence of the defend.tut, pertly in endeavouring to make the horse back up the gateway under a load too heavy for him, and partly because he left the horse's head. The defendant's carter was examined, and deposed that there was sufficient room for the omnibus to hive passed clear of the cart, and that he called out to the omnibus driver to look out. He also stated that he only left the horse's head when the omnibus was so close upon him that he must have been wrack by its shaft if he had remained any longer, and that the shaft did actually graze his hor-e's shoulder. He added that, although ho had some difficulty at the time in backing the horse up the gateway, yet after the collision he succeeded in doing so; and that the load was not a heavy one. Witn , sees having been examined on each side, his Honour said he did not think the plaintiffs had made out such a case of negligence on the part of the carter as to entitle them to recover damages. The mater looked very like an accident, in which neither party was decidedly to blame. A verdict was accordingly given for the defendant, without costs. JUDICIAL COMMITIT'F, OF TETE PRIVY COUNCIL. DECEMBER 14. Bri.PORE MR. FEMBERTON LEIGII, SIR W. MAULS, AND SIR T. DODSON. LA PLATA.—COLLISION.—TOiS was an action brought by the owners of the Hanoverian brig He'eue, 190 tons, against the S.itith American and General Steam N ivigetion C7)mpentt, the owners ef the steam-ship La Plata, to recover damages for injuries which the Helene had sustained by a collision. It appeared that between 10 and 11 on the morning of the 10 of Oabber, 1856, the Helene, then on her way from Newcastle•on-Tyne to London with coals, was proceeding up the Thames in charge of a licensed p lot, and towed by the steam-tug Kent, when, up:et roand tro she perceived La Plata ccraing in as opposite direction, towed by the steam-tug WilliareG:re ston. The case of the Helene wae, that she ported her helm and immediately afterwards put it hard to port, and that La Plate, instead of porting her helm, came stem on and struck her just before the main rigging on .the port side. She was so much injured that she had to be run on shore at the south side the riser and temporarily repaired before she could proceed to her des ination. On the part of La Plata it was alleged that her helm was put hard to port, and that of the steam-tug was put to port of Black— wall, as the Rose and other vessels, among which was the Helene, were seen rounding the point that the Rose passed her, but that the midships of the Helene shortly afterwards wore into cohtact with her stem in consequence of the Helene and the Kent not porting their he:m until too late. La Plata also contended that the Helene was keeping more on the south silo of the river than she ought to have done when the accident occure4 The cause wes tried in the Admiralty Court in May last, and the Trinity Brethren came to the conclusion that La Plata was not to blame for the collision. The owners of the Helene now appeeled against that decision. Mr. J. Wilde. Q.C., and Dr. Webinson were coureeil for the appellants ; Dr. Addams and Dr. 'Twise for the respondents. Sir. W. Manic said their Lordships were of opinion, that La Plata was not shown to have been guilty of negligence, and that the colision was an accident for which no One was to blame. The decision of the Court must therefore be reversed. SOCIETY AT WASHINGTON. -- The more fashionable mom bers of Congress, from this State and elsewhere, who have marriageable dalgliteri or pretty wives, are taking houses at Washington for the winter. They intend to give bails, soirees, parties, levees, matinees, receptions, dinners, drc., &e., and have a good time of it generally. The season will be very gay in elite circles, and all the fashionable women who have from twenty to forty dresses, and are not shut up in private asylums, will do well to pack their Saratoga trunks, and be off by the first train. We see that several foreign aristoer as are going in the same direc tion. Lord Neo Ile, Lord S ; ;itidlesharaks, the Count of Empty Pockets, and the BliO Borrow Sixpence, are already on the ground, and will .remain dnrin3 winter.—New YcrUaper, MIDDLE CLASS EXAMINATIONS. THE RELIGIOW DIFFICULTY. The following letter has been received from an eminent member of the Oxford Dslegacy, by a gentleman ofthis town, in answer to some enquiries regarding the reasons which influenced the University to make the present arrangements, in reference to religion : I cannot refer you to any printed b)ok or pamphlet which will throw any light on the many, many discussions out of which the regulations of the Delegacy gcew. But I will give you a brief analysis of the conclusive argu ments : 1. To make the religious examination compulsory would be inconsistent with a due reepect for the law of the land. By law the University is now compelled to give the degree of B.A. without requiring any religious knowledge what ever. In regard to all those who choose to submit to her teaching in religi,n, the University is empowered to teach and to examine in religions knowledge. In regard to those who decline her teaching in that particular, she is bound by law to leave the responsibility with them selves. Would it be consistent to demand for the title of A.A. what we cannot demand for the degree of B.A ? An Atheist may be B.A. and we cannot stop it. The University, in fact, bows to the decision of the Legislature, which, as we are told, God hath ordained. As a private inlividual, any member of the University may protest against this, and may carry his protest so far as to decline to act with a Univanity sa fettered. Bat if he chooses to act with her, he must recognise the law of the land by which she exists. 2. The University preaumes, and has a right to presume, that the Legislature did not intend to ignore religious teaching, but oaly intended to transfer the responsibility from her to others ; i c., oiler to the learners or to their parents. In the case of youths and children, it is obvious, and is in fact in the spirit of the Fifth Comm Indnent, that the parents shall be responsible. TAO University therefore offers to assist the parents in discharging the duties of this responsibility by examining their children, if the, (the parents) wish it, and by informing them (i. e., the parents) whether in each case this part of the education has received proper attention, If a father withes to know whether his son has been properly taught the truths of religion, the University will tell him ; if he does not wish to know, the University considers that the Legislature has relieved her from all farther responsibility, and presumes that he wilt satisfy himself in some other way. 3. When the University does examine in religious know ledge, she has a clear right to prescribe the subjects of examination which she considers necessary. She declines to examine in the Bible only ; she knows that her examiners will inevitably presume a certain interpretation of the Bible ; and it is obvious that it would be double-dealing not to avow this, and the best and most straightforward mode of avowing it is to name the formularies in which which that interpretation may be found. The statute, therefore, has tied up the hands of the delegates on this matter, for the words " rudimenta ficlei et religionis" are a known phrase in Oxford legislation, and could not be interpreted to mean the Bible only. 4. If the examination in religious knowledge is to be voluntary, it follows that it must be separated from the rest, and have no marks given to it which can be added in with the rest. Otherwise the examination in religious knowledge, voluntary in name, would be cimpulsory, in fact. A father, who had a conscientious objection to recognising the University as an examiner in religious knowledge, would compiain that his son, though wall instructed in such knowledge, was beaten by anotaer lad in no way his superior, simply because the latter could count marks which his son could not. This would not be, on the part of the University, a loyal submission to the existing law. 5. But (seen besides this argument on the ground of justice, which seems to me unanswerable, there is another equally unanswerable on the score of feasibility. How can marks be given for religious knowledge, as compared with mathematics ? How much acquaintance with the Gospel will balance four books of Euclid. or a good paper in parsing ? The subject is not in pari materia with any other subject, and cannot therefore be marked with them. The primary ass of religious knowledge to the Candi dates who present themselves for the proposed examinations is not as with all other subjects for intellectual but spiritual purposes. There is but one class who can be sup posed to have professional (besides the universal personal) need of such knowledge, namely, Teachers of Religion. But surely the University can hardly be expected to ex amine into the fitness of young men to become Dissenting Preachers, With every desire to recognise Dissenters as fellow Christiania the University would be false to the Caurch to which the Legislaeure has still left her attached, if she were to assist in recognising as such, Ministers, who, from their position are hostile to that Church. G. We might, indeed. have given a separate class list for religious knowledge, and this was much discussed. Bat, in the first place a class list obviously belongs to those subjects for which a man has a professional need ; and in the second iplace is it seemly that the Bible, and the doctrines of the Bible should be made the arena of intel lectual competition ? distinction in a class list the fitting recognition of such a study ? Ought we to wish to encourage young men to study the Bible as they would a treatise on Geography ? The 11103 t reverential way of touching this subject was felt to be to put it apart as a study sui generi= and not to mi x u p w ith it any cf those inducements which are in their proper place only when encouraging intellectual cultivation. To give prizes in Divinity within a single school, is a fair thing; for those who give have the education under their control, and may (and ought to) take pains to provide against the danger of making a sacred subject too merely intellectual. But young men gathered from all quarto: a from all sorts of schools, some perhapeeself-taught altogether, who is to protect theta from a similar danger ? e es 7. It is quite, and obviously untrue, to say that the subject is disparaged altogether, or that a young man who declines it is, therefore, in no worse position than if he took it. For the fact that he has passed, or not passed, will be entered in his certificate ; and for the rest of his life, whenever ha shows that certificate, he shows that he did, or did not, touch this important subject. That this will make no difference to him, seems to me incon c.ivable. Farther, all parents may knew in regard to their eons, whether or not this subject has been properly treated. If a parent is prevented by conscientious objections, from using the University test, let him use some other ; let him ask some known religious minister whom he can trust, to examine his boy, and give him a certificate. I cinno believe that the mi.idle classes of this country will be indifferent t) the fact, whether or not a certificate bears this subject on its face or not. I believe that many employers will look to that point the first thing, and will immediately say to a youth who produces a certificate in which religion was not mentioned.—" What were you at a school where they did not teach the Bible %" And will make careful enqairin before going further. 8. Lastly, we felt convinced that we were justified when dealing with the middle classes, in putting the entire res poneibility of the religious education on the Parents. The middle classes have ehoen again and again that they deeply value religions education. Every political move ment which ever seemed to ignore religious education has been defeated, and defeated by the middle classes. In spite of most serious dif f iculties, in spite of obvious and crying evils, the middle classes of this country have refused repeatedly to sacrifice not merely the reality, but even the profession of religious education for the sake of removing those difficulties, pr curing thole evils. We feel safe, therefore, in offering to co-operate with them, leaving to them the decision on th it own children, but giving them every aid in executing that decision, if they will accept our aid. These aro our reasons for what we have done, and I think the weight of them will be more and more felt, the more they are considered. TO THE DELEGACY APPOINTED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF OXFORD, TO CAREY INTO EFFECT IHE STATUTE ON _ _ MIDDLE CLASS EXAMINATIONS. We, the undersigned, have had our attention called to the scheme proposed by the University of Oxbrd, for the promotion of Middle Class Education, by means of exami nations, to be held in various parts of England. Without pledging ourselves to a cordial agreement in every part of the scheme, and especially that part of it which relates to religion, we are of opinion that it is highly desirable that the benefits of the scheme should be brought within the reach of the various schools of this neighbourhood; and we respectfully request that Liver pool may be made a centre of examination in the year 1858. In making this resuest,,Ao Nish tp be understood, as THE PRINCIPLE OF GOVERNMENT. That great Executive Department of the Circumlocution Office, known by the name of the Imperial Parliament, had no sooner met, than it commenced the chief labour of its existence—How Nov TO D) IT! Pursaaat of this admirable design, it proceeded to consider the subject _of the Indian Mutinies, as a theme best calculated to " make a mess of" by a little judieous maladministration. For this purpose, when some of the impertinent and low-bred Snobs dared to question the policy of the Nobs, in mis managing Oriental affairs, those gems of political sagacity, those bright incarnations of the wisdom of a great country, contrived to extricate themselves from the meshes of public inquiry in a masterly and statesman-like manner. They knew all the ups and downs, all the tricks and feints, all the vulpine strategems and roundabout periphrases of diplomacy; they knew—none better—that the great secret of English government, both in a popular and patri cian sense, was, How NOT TO D) IT; that this was the policy of every Cabinet and ever constituent of the govern ment, from the Premier down to the meanest messenger in the Commissariat Department; and that the public itself, although sometimes held up as an awful bugbear before the minds of erring miniver?, in reality admitted no other doctrine, or at any rate was too apathetic to dispute the accepted doctrine, which was now acted upon. Armed with all sash desiraYe knowledge, the Circumlocution Office has begun its commendable work of " settling Egg_ land's hash" by the best means is its power. Now the Circumlocution Office was aware—as indeed, any one possessed of mortal eyesight would be aware—of all the indications and presages of the Indian disasters, long before the revolt itself broke out; and the Circumlo cution Office, by keeping ifs sapient eyes unclosed for a 'ittle longer period than usual, could have seen to what result these omens must lead, and could have avoided many, if not all, of the fearfal consequences. This,' how ever, would have betrayed humanity and intelligence ; this would have been an instance of prevision ; this would have prevented loss of wealth, loss of paid(); lose of honour, loss of life, on the part of some thousands of humal beings; this, in short, wooled have evinced a cepa biliey of Government to ela it, and to d it effectually ; and the Circumlocutory principle is—Flow NOP TO DO Ir. And so Parliament assembles to consider, to debate upon, and to carry out this idea. Hee Majesty had informed her coancillers in her speech, that .measures would be brought for wed, which they were requested to mull; that papers would be laid before them, whch they would please ceafase ; and that reform in an infinite amount of matters would be submitted to them, which they would do wall to postpone, perplex, and otherwise vitiate. So they dismiss the Indian affair for the present, and come to the exciting domeetic subject of our monetary relations—the Crisis. The Chancellor of the Exchequer rose, and laid the matter before the house ; he showed (for he coal.' not but show) that the Circumlocu:ion o.fice had uo,'. dono it in 1813, and—with Heaven's assistance—WOUld not do i t new. He besought the earnest consideration of the house how not to do it. Ile thought the best way not to do it, and the least way of doing it at all, was to institute a committee to inquire into things nobody ever cared about, and to search for precedents no one wanted in the least. Thi', too, with the idea, that, when the labours of the committee were fiaished, when the things had been inquired into, and the precedents found, the emergency would be over, and all cause and necessity for doing it would have passed away. But the honourable member forßuck3 was of a contrary opinion. Ile conceived it to be better to make a mull of it by med lling with it, than to spoil it by leaving it alone. There was necessity for " legislating ;" and legislate they ought to. Wrongly, perhaps, and reverse to what was pro_ per, it may be ; but still legislate. The duty of the Circum. locution Office was to perplex everything it could— that was its put and its destiny. The affairs of the couti'Lry now wanted consideration—that is to say, they needed perplexing. The house might perplex them to the required extent, by pcntponemant, hesitancy, and delay, or it might perplex them by straightforwaidly ruining them in its accustomed felicitous limner. The lion member thought it best to follow the latter course, since the former plan was the Government's usual method, How NOT TO DO IT. Other honourable members inclined to tho respective sides, and severally discussed, whether it were better to make a mull of the matter by meddling with it, or to spoil it by leaving it alone. There is a greater difference between tweedledum and tweedledee, than most people imagine. As length it was resolved to spoil it by leaving it alone, so the House will appoint a committee to make inquiries, and minutes, and reports, and protests, and memoranda, and Heaven knows what, into the nature, and effects, and consequences, and results, of a measure, iniquitous in itself, and which must stand in the glory of its iniquity, while the Circumlocution Office goes to sleep, and dreams of the easiest plan How NOT TO DO IT. For 3 ou, and we, and the populace of Liverpool, and the British publie itself, knew very well that that is the Ministerial game. We all of us are assured than, whether it be Palmerston's Ministry ; or Derby's Ministry, or any Ministry, or any opposition, the whole principle of Govern. meat is involved in this—that a nation's rulers are almost invariably despotic or imbecile, and that the councillors of our own bright isle, spared the former evil must be sadiled with the latter, and, not possessing the arrogant nature of lions, are content with the ill-seed but inoffensive bearing of asses. THE MiCNAUGHT CONTROVERSY. TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN TIMES. Sir,—Will you have •the kindness to insert the accompanying dialogue in your paper? Some of your readers, perhaps, may be inclined to think the characters fictions, and the dialogue imaginary ; but, whatever they may think of it, their thoughts cannot effect the truth, or otherwise, of what is therein contained. Others, again, may suspect that Mr. Glazebrook's opponent may have had something to do with it. To such I will say, that Mr. Macnaught has had nothing whatever to do with it ; nor dots he know anything at all about it.—l am, Sir, yours truly, A CLERGY/ a tN OF Tlll4 CHURCH OF ENGLAND. Dec. 15, 1837. DIALOGUE BETWEEN ROBERT AND THOMAS Which may be appropriately called, "Eyes and no Eyes ;' or, the Art of Seeing." Robert.—Well, Thomas, you're in a hurry. Won't you speak to an old friend? What have you there ? Thomas.—Ho ! Is that yon, Robert? I'm really very glad to see you. I've just been " investing" in a copy of the NORTHERN TIMES. Capital paper for free discussion ;it contains now a controversy between two clergymen, which is well worth studying. R.-oh, you mean the controversy on Scripture Infal libility. I've read the letters, and as you are pretty " well up" in theso matters, I should like to have a little conver sation with you on this subject. T.—Nothing can give me greater pleasure. Yon must come home with me, and then we can talk the matter over quietly in my stu ly. * * * By way of introduction, just notics Mr. G.'s inconsistent flourish at the beginning of his flr.it letter; he says that the Bishop does not consider Mr. M. of sufficient importance to be noticed ; but Mr. G , in thus attacking him, plainly shows that he himself does: he, evidently, ace uding to his own statement, differs from the Bishop in his opinion of Mr. M. R.—But Mr. G. says that Mr. M. is a " Unitarian," a " theological conjuror," &c. ; he says he is guilty of " blasphemy" and " impiety." T.—Well, you amuse me, certainly. Are you so credulous as to believe every off-hand aspersion of a man's character? You surely don't regard these grave and offensive charges in the light of sober and legitimate argumentation ? The language appears to me to be unworthy of a gentleman, and still more so of a Christian, and one who professes to be under the guidance of infalli bility, which, he says, is useful for sanctification, and useful and necessary for preservation from doctrinal error. 11.—I quite ag ee with you on that point ; it is certainly too bad to defame a man's tharacter, even if the charge be founded; but " reee22ons a nos moutons," let us compare their arguments. T.—The second paragraph in Mr. M.'s rep'y to Mr. G.'s first letter has been thoroughly discussed, and I can't see what more there is to be said on tha subject. The same may be said of the third paragraph, which is on the ex pression, " Thy word is truth " It —I feel myself unable to discuss with you on the second paragraph. I know that on that qaestion you agree with Mr. M.; but with respect to the second, I have always been taught that Thy word " means the Bible. T.—Then it is quite time you were taught otherwise. Excuse my frankness. You know we are discussing this question, in a friendly way, for the discovery of truth : I will therefore be plain with you, which you know I can be without exhibiting any vindictiveness, which debases a Christian. You have been taught that " Tay word " means the Bible, but .if you will examine Mr. M.'s argument on , the question. you will find that he has proved it impossible ; you will there learn that when Christ said " Thy word is truth" he spoke not of any written word, but of the viva voce, the Living Word, which He himself uttered, and which He said was not His, but his Father's, who sent Him. R.—But Mr. G. makes a distinction between " Thy Word" and "Word of Go I," although the wo. d " Thy" is addressed to God. He - filds fault with Mr. M for using the expressions indifferently; he grants that they mean the same, but objects to the convertible employment of the expressions. This objection puzzles me, but perhaps you can help me out of the difficulty. T.—Tat, tut, Robert; there's no difficulty at all in the matter. Just use your own judgment, and don't be tied down to what another man says when you find it to be inconsistent. When two expressions mean exactly the same thing, it is hair-splitting hypercriticism to object to the interchangeable use of them ; when a man attaches so great importance to distinctions which are only imaginary, depend upon it his cause is a weak one ; if he had bettetarguments he would undoubtedly produce them. It appears to me, after having deeply pondered the subject over, that on both these questions• Mr. Glazebrook's arguments are complete failures, and that Mr. Macnaught exhibits a decided superiority, not only in his reasoning, bat also in his dignifigd, calm, and Christian deportment. These two subjects have been pretty freely discussed, and I don't think they can eluci date them more; you will see in M.'s letter of the 11th how he inflicts death upon G.'s "literary Sepoys ; " that letter will surely make G. a little more guarded in his expressions when indulging in such flights of rhetoric. I think it is quite time now that they went on to the fourth paragraph. R.—Well, and so do I ; I wonder what they will make of it ? But, there is another little point on which I should like to hear your opinion; Mr. G. says, he has proved Mr. M. to be a Socinian. T.—This is only another sample of Mr. G.'s spurious logic, of which the following is a fair specimen, thus—" A fly possesses a trunk, so does an elephant, therefore, a fly is an elephant ;" or, " a crow is black, a beetle is black, therefore, a crow and a beetle are identical ;" this is exactly Mr. G.'s method of proving such a charge against Mr. M. ; you will at once sea the fallacy of the argument : but, after all, this has nothing to do with 'the question, whether the Bible is totally free from error ; if Mr. G. prove Mr. M. to be a Brahmin or anything he likes, it will by no means affect the question of infallibility, which depends upon matter of fact, and certainly cannot be influenced by the orthodoxy or heterodoxy of Mr. M. R.—Well, you have certainly opened my eyes on one or two points. I will never again believe charges against a follow Christian, till I know them to be true. T.—You will act- well and wisely if you do so. Re member our blessed Lord, in his life time, had malicious charges made against Him ; but who would now believe them, or entertain thorn for a moment? Do you ever go to Mr. M's church. R.—No, I should like to go very much, for I find, now, that a man must judge for nimeelf 7.—Well, meet me then on Sunday morning and I will find you a seat, R.—Agreed on. And now I must be off. Come in and sit with me some evening, and we will talk a little more on this subject. Good night. T.—Good night, Robert; mind and be on your g lard against spurious argument and fallacious logic. Good night. Remember Sunday morning. R. —Never fear, good night ! TO THE EDITOR OF TIIE NORTHERN TIMES. Sir,—l ask space, in your columns, to expose some wretched sophistry which Mr. Macnaugh has been seeking to plirn upon us in hiu long let ter you published on the 11th inst. I was quite right in exclaiming, " How highly he must think of our understandings !" From 2 Con iii, 6, &c , and Heb. viii, 8, &c., Mr: M. promises to produce authority for the proposi tion that " Reason is superior to every Rule of Faith." and he gives us equivalent expressions for those in the sacred text; In order to show that he has been sophistical, I propose to give the passages with these equivalents, inserted in italics. Here they are :—" Who hath made us able ministers of the New Testament, not of the written record, but of human reason, for the Scripture killeth, but the intellect giveth .life ;" and, " After those days I will put my laws into their intellect, and write them in their hearts." Who ever heard of "able ministers of human reason T' Who can suggest how the word of scripture (is not it, the Word of Life ?) can kill, but human intel lect give life ? or how, since " those days," the intellect has been effected, so that now it is, as before it was not, the receptacle of the Divine law. Bear in mind, that Mr. Macnaught has told us, that before " these days," the work of the law was written in men's hearts, To attain this magnificent result in scriptural exposition, Mr. Macnaught has used the old fallacy, of selecting an equivalent expression, and then arguing upon it, instead of upon the original word. Ho would have us believe that, by the letter in 2 Cor. iii, is meant a written book, and by the " Spirit," is inte n d e d " th e reve lation of Spirit and Reason." What this letter can be, I don't know. I could have formed a motion respecting a " reve lation unto Spirit and Reason," or of "an illumi nation of Spirit and Reason," - but " the revelation of Spirit and Reason" is quite beyond my capa city; and, withal, Mr. M. seems to have estab lished, to his own entire satisfaction, that there was really very little, it any, need of any revelation; so that one's bothers is increased! However, s upposing,. its M. to have; a meaning for this most feacwi phrase, he certainly ought to give us Old to after promising us a quotation from the ment, he thought it prgerable to give T i , t ,, sf second-hand (was the " ` lnward parts" in 1 . '„'"; . ) I 33, less tractable than mind" in Heb• vi'''; 0 ,‘ Let o so why we should consider that " Spirit" are not used by St. Paul in the P 0 , 5 quoted from 2 Cor. iii., in just the saMes e t i e til used them in the last verse of Rorn• ii• n olot reasolllo does . so, many will regard him as having e— h et at " literary Sepoys," and as having :a ifol censures Mr. Glazebrook for doing, cl ll ,_ ° ; - ; write '• in a sense wholly different from t ue " . intention." m tll Olll Who, but Mr. Macnaught, would lati v " a i r ft of comparing " Reason," a human Ina l ''' t ' 0 anything about which it is conv,, ers liolf then asking, which is supetior: betel such a comparison juster than 000 9 the birch rod and the chastised bl tl i e oft both there is an agent and a subject ; i ll t ;in t a judging, and the other a correcting age" o bjee former an inanimate and the other a livi o g r i o r t ° , but who dreams the birch rod is 54 } , e ; 'J i t better than the boy ? The comparison 5 .„," - :§on'd been of two human faculties, s uch as Ibt,,delo Faith, but Mr. M. knew too well how eillter and convincingly these have, i n , Rogersjos 0 essay on " Reason and Faith their ono! P i i conflicts," been shown to be intertwine' 0 - 0. ,I subordinated, to institute this comPos',, - 00` . knew it was undeniable that the q uestion , it the Rule of Faith ?"must be deeided bi ;lie and then begging the further questiosi; d oll ;l Human Reason be competent to sit in,,J„ li d tbe l l upon what is revealed in this ascertainnu'ase rule of Faith, (and which was really th e 4lle for him to discuss with Mr. Glazebrook)l'B"rib , have us conclude we should reject whets ° ,, e- 04 may be in the Rule of Faith, he or I sr ,: ii nli pleased to regard as " irrational," as tn.g - of ° oll, was not to take for granted, that after .' . '"wis! Faith should cease; as though Divi ri pteu• could reveal nothing surpassing human et; 4 sion ; as though the sagaciou s dog who r,,i ! f nised his master is, therefore, his suPe r ', h aiw,i no ! Mr. Nacnaught ! Don't leave this Pw n ' o rger argument betwixt Mr. Glazebrook and li, fe ° any " competent'' men, until you 111 -11 0 something upon it.—l am, d,.. W. 14th Dec. 1857. THE E VOLUNTARY RATE OF 10" We have been requested to publish the fall ° A SCRAMBLE FOR £5O Ol 0 0 The Balance of the above Rite, will 0 1° ' . THIS DAY (THURSDAY) , At Twelve o'clock, at the lti PARISH OFFICE, BROWNLOW be of t when the contributors to th a t rate wi' t he." upon to choose a committee to recei ca hls o o l balance from Messrs. Came and Hu t `` to appropriate the same. RATEPAYER'S ATTEV to .- a P s 't Your money is endangered by all 110- 4,0 gl influenced by personal interests, while it and is required, to equalize and REDUCE PAROCHIAL BA TI O . A Cosi— Sic Scraper Tyrannis! 0 TAX COLLECTORS AND TAX SO 0' e TO THE EDITOR OF THE NORTHERN /, 1 00 5 „ Sir,—lt is a week to-day sinC3 you kt a letter of mine to the " Surveyor of ',„" e Ames. Would you believe, sir, that si, ll '„,tl o , l ; you that epistle, I have been furnishe", f ,.. Eli mation perfectly astounding! why, P . :iitbr I confess that, hitherto, I have Ictle w „: 0 0 0 , nothing at all, either about " Tax Ce" 0011; Tax Surveyors. But lam a much wi se ' I will endeavour, by-and-bye, to enlighteo 01 $ my fellow-townsmen, At present ' , II I , 00 1 leisure for "recreation of this sort,' Just e nattily people are not taking much 03 7 ° 40 01 and to use a very "fashionable'' ()W es ' is ne " run" upon us ! •feit Weil, now to resume. I have recoosii Editor, a many communications also e u 6,1 1116 1 i of " surcharges" pursued by Mr. Alli es :, al, e )11 veyor of Taxes," congratulating me 0 o'i displayed; and others have called at 011 i e ment, and personally thanked me for 011ie e, insolence of such a demand before the P sa lt,: o il Now, sir, I never expected such A re es df 1 40 beg to tell those gentlemen who have a i r upon me—those gentlem e n, I say, syli e Zeil l ,, fil e t loudly, yet endure their inflictions ° O - 1,, t'ot beg to tell them, I say, that the exei33roo be pleased to admire in me, should at e " - upon by themsglves. dl fs tie , Until the public look after its eiTifisole-to , .: feel determined to expose all the " r eo t waste" which have been made aPP:oret l ;ooi i l they must not indulge the hope 0f ' 1 0 %,, f- ,t ment from these worthy officials. a surcharge on the " Income Tax 0 0, 1 ; Afl! I naturally supposed that I must to ) 3 .`":0 0 " especial favourite" with this reall - c t f i a dD 6 os jl # the " Tax Surveyor i" but not se; '4lO charging, right and left, at a time, t° ° ' ce ifi and starvation surround us. • Now, I do trust, that every re'" ~,i d - dr; such " surcharge," will do—as I iatvi s 0 0 1 3 : I have done before—APPEAL ! Tbere (let Os 10 09 fear. The Surveyor of Tex, Mr. A n e-- A the right name) has no power hut ° t - i l ee,' Afr o . of annoying us, and the loss of ° 111. ,, s o ' o o / 4 hard enough, Mr. Editor. But fellow-townsmen. You have E1t 6 :3,1 5t1 ,, r 53 1 , 6 English gentlemen—to deal with; elf ; e ' a rla go with fairness and honesty, You f i lo :i0 1 their keeping. "Ad Interim,' as re o3 4o o r says.—Believe me, Mr. Editor, t°,. very respectfully, ROO 10 01) ;t 0 t o- t o A supplement to the London Gaze /Ye lls° I : 01 ; 0 cation of the Governor-General, which ° , t ooPtorfr, d el the evacuation of Bushire by the British t of vo rnr o s that the Isla of Kurrack is the onlY,:rd 11, 6° 0° 4 which is still in the occupation of the - 01 :;; tP - 9 0j The ralinquithment of this spot only, 1611- 0 " of the authentic urelligonce that the condition 1 0 1 r if the 411 of March hove been completelf , t r Persian Government 0 .tbe re osi f, lO ANGLEsnik. COAL.—A short time si lle a l'oea e c r ior °WO at purposes.the Be a u It a rhi his gas b een ork fe e, en s d om i c t i t si Ti te l - r u e c s o u rl P, ; - e g h o (Orrel) coal, and equal to the Lancasbicidd °,ooel id compared with the Newcastle coal, it s *WO one-third more. The pace of L ane flee oft Beaumaris works is 21s 6d, whilst the P r :a A l9 ;jill i coil is 161. Forth Wales Chronicle. sere ade tivo the TH ß E rad ß ru i rAdD councilro RD P stropo L zc AND pe,..ec ; ° .40 0 , 0 T r e a a t propriety of receiving the u°'' force , od t m ,"ooe one fourth of the cost of the polies. as argl 0 00. 0 c granted oh certain conditions. It the jou,le'to conditions would be destructive Re s of'"ort'"Gtm, local government. A resolution ep t 0 16 0 once government aid, but an amend rn „- c lern ti° ferring the whole subject to the OIL a .Lt fir. mi tee. °( d bl CRIMINAL STATISTICS OF 111. „ ° 1 reP -rt ,eif e e g) take the following from the a nnu , bee , r.i elo p Buckley, c , iief const able, which 1139 p a 1 91 bo roltb council :-614 prison-;s (433 mal es 4 . 0 the been apprehenc ed for offences wit h !,, ye ar " ii vi 6t ;l) incrcvs of 20 per c-int on the Precedl:arill i ° f o r t t ig 39 were committed for trial, 373 su n ! f a kin" D ois 202 discharged. Number of OffeßCeS 0 2 i of et of for which 60 persons were apprehdc" L ube r l, 2Thi convicted and 21 discharvd. 11° ,„V tI cha r .g, eu t ed. , e O l cases was 676 ; number of Pe r k cocilT h er l o d ° whom 256 were discharged and „ o ld ot,11; A 'l6l fi w v e e r were 614 prisoners apprehended , 362 ;pf ",,D, . write ; 235 could do both imperfe e ` Wevdo received E ad nglish, 23 a 3 s uperior e i ; I d ) t tle s : ce t o l : o of 1 ; s t r ti e i voert i o e t a 8 three foreigne.rs. The namber:.! ! a 0 , the .to te .. 4, the year, 418; being a decrease ir ...ro pertt: two preceding years. The value r P . , by tDif 10 _ r o d of which £lO7 in value Was recover of 0 208 cases the value did not r.verat,we ' 1 d 6 iost re s44; P " apprehended hg p fo r r ope f r e t l y on re y p , and restored by the police xor4te7. k t , 44 117't ht R I h tk - 41 tktil