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t' ~'ti~ `::'1 :- THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. OCTOBER 30, 1835 A.:—As you would (says .Christ) that men.should do yo . you, iloyou hlso to them in l►ke manner.—(Luke vi. 31.) :Q.—What particular duties are required of me by that rule ? A.—Never to injure your neighbour le weril'Or deed—in his person, property, or character; to wish well to hint andto pray for him, and always to assist him as far as you are able in his spiritual and corporal necessities. Q.—Am I also obliged tc love my enemies? A.—Most certainly. "Love your enemies," says Christ; " do good to them that hate you; bless them that curse you ; and pray (or there that d e spitefully use."—(Luke, vi., Mat., v.) Allow me, now, beloved fellow•christians, to appeal to your candour, and to ask does this &tett ine seem to breathe, or is it in any way reconeileable with the spirit of religious persecution? Judge for yourselves • . weigh this statetneut well, and decide whether the spirit of intolerance or uncharitahleness will be found to rest more fairly on us or on our accusers." Let n?e second Doctor 'Murray's n-quest, and entreat you to judge for yourselves. He has given you some quotations from one of his catechisms ; let me call your attention to another part of the same catechism. Butler's Catechism, p. 29 and 30. Lesson x. an the true Church. Q.—What do you mean by the . true church ? A.—The congregation of all the faithful, who, being baptized, profess the same doctrine, partake of the same sacrament, and are governed by their lawful pastors under our, visible head on tart b. Q.—How do you call the true church? A.—The holy catholic church, Ap. Cr. Q.—ls there any other true church besiiles the holy catholic church ? A.—No. As there is but one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, there is hut one true church. Q.—Are all obliged to be of the true church ? A.—Yes; no one can be saved out of it. Again, page 51— • Q.—Do the precepts of the cherub oblige under pain of mor tal sin ? A.—Yes. " He that will not hear the church," says Christ " let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican." Here, now, the children are taught that heretics cannot be saved; that every one who does not belong to the church of Rome is to be tried as a beathen and a publican. (Cheers.) Agaiie, in a small catechism for children, entitled "Tbe Grounds of the'Catholic Doctrine. contained in the Professions of Faith, publiSised by Pope Pius IV., and now in use for the reception of Culverts into the Church, by way of Question and Answer; the twentieth edition; stereotyped. Dublin, printed by Richard Coyne, 4, Chapel-street, 1829." In page 7 we find as lollaws:-'-• Now true faith, in order to please God and save our souls, must be entire, that is to say, we must believe without exception all such articles as are revealed by God, arid are proposed by his church to be believed.. and he that voluntarily and obstinately disbelieveth any one of these articles is no less void of true saving faith than he that disbelieves them all. As St. James' tells us with regard to practicalduties, chap. ii. v. 10, " Who esoever shall keep the 'sleet ..law, aeastsyet offend lionise goint,. he is gnitty of all." Hence St. Paul„Gat:v, v. 20, reckoni here.: sits, that is, false religiose., aiuringstehose works of the flesh, of which he propouisces- ' that they which do such things sball not inherit the kingdom of God." - Ansi , God himself (Isaiah lx, v. 12) tells his church, "The nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish." Again; page 53. speaking of protes tants, he says—" We are convinced that they are schismatics, by separating themselves from the communion of the church of Christ; aneherelics, by dissenting from her doctrines in many substantial articles; and, consequently, that they have no part in the church of Christ, no lawful mission, no succession from the apostles, no authority at all to preach the word of God, or administer the sacraments, in fine, no share in the promise of Christ's heavenly kingdom, excepting the case of invincible ignorance, from which the scripture in so many places excludes schismatics arid heretics." In the christian doctrine of Dr. Doyle, prescribed by him to be used in the diocese of Kildare and Loughlan, printed by Richard Coyne, in the year 1828, we find the following passages:—first, in his dedication to the members of the society of the christian doctrine. Speaking of the way to teach children, he says—" Impress upon their hearts a love of Christ, and of his holy spouse the church; let them know and fear the malice and dang er of those heresies which have rebelled against both, that thy may avoid all communi cation with them." Here the childrim are taught to count us heretics and rebels because we refuse n 7 submit to the church of Rome. And in the body of the catechism, page 25, we find' how these principles are to be impressed upon the children:— Q.—What think you then of such as accuse the church of errors of faith and of idolatry? A.-e-Truly, I think them to be heretics or infidels, for our Lord saith, "Ile that will not hear the church let hint be unto thee as an heathen and a publican." St. Matt. viii, v. 17. Q. Is not the church, at least, too severe in i's censures and excommuications against sectaries ? A. No; she is very reasonable and charitable in them, for vicious, passionate„ and self-interested sometimes are brought to reason fer fear of punishment; so a father corrects his child, and if it continues obstinate and wicked disinherits it. Here this very man, Dr. Doyle, whose catechism is one of the most popdlar in Ireland. impresses on the minds of children the right and duty of the church to punish us, and when we inquire where are these punishments to be found? the answer is—ask Peter Dens. (Loud cheers.) The Doctor now turns to another enode of appeal.—Generous Britons! Ynu, whose hnnourablo reverence - for truth forms 'such a prominent feature in your char racier, will you any longer allow your confidence to be thus abused ? Will you not at length open your eyes to the ex pedi• ency of examining, by the exercise of your own judgment. the imputations cast upon us and our church, rather than receive them, without inquiry, as true, tipen testimony which you must now see to be one'of the ems: queetionaele character? In the doctrine of millions there can be nothing secret. Take the trouble of making yourselves acquainted, through authentic sources, with the real differences of doctrine between us and you. You will find, in a little book, which I pray you to read over— it is a short explanation of the catholic faith by Bossuet. You will find it in any catholic bookseller's Osel. It will plaise before you, in a few short pages, the articles of faith in which weelisagree. The doctor here turns your attention to a tract of Boseuet. It is a smooth 'and oily tract, and the Doctor wishes you to suppose that there was nothing deeper in that varnished Jesuit than he would wish you to believe iu any other of those who professed the theology of Peter Dens. For Bossuet was a friend of Peter Dens as well as Dr. Murray ; and there is a remarkable fact connected with him, to he ((fund in the fills volume of this work. These le a certain class of crimes of such a dark complexion, Ilev :ire not twtthin trrie ordivarreretich of popish ahsiftu Lion ; :64 are called reserved cases; thevi lest cannot forgive them; the bishop cannot forgive them; , they must he reserved for the absolution of the pope himself. Observe' what a tre mendous power this gives the priesthood over the conscience of their unhappy victims, and how they must tremble at the com mission of those crimes which can 'only be pardoned by the imps. It is necessary that the pi iests should have these crimes in their recollection, that when a sinner comes tot he eonfessional, that they _may be sure. that. his ilium lies within the reach of their jurisdiction. Accordingly, Bosissiet has composed three Hexameter Latin eerses, to serve as a memoria technics for the priests on this occasion. Foremost ,on the list of criminals he has placed the heretic, and we find in Peter Deno the verses which be has composed— _ . of the pure gospel of Christ. And I trust the teachers and peo ple may be led to consider of these things before it be ti late to turn to the refuge which God has set before us. This is my heart's desire and prayer to God for them, and it is the first de sire of my soul in bringing these things forward. It is not to excite enmity against them, but to excite (and it is that which if you be christiaris it will excite (your heart's genial feelings of com passion for them. "For who maketh thee to differ from soo ther, and. whet . hest thou that thou didst not receive?" if we are not bowetrdown under these superstiiiims, and that we are 'not maintaining the doctrines of Dens. "By the grace of God we are what we are." And may that grace be given to our, poor Roman catholic friends and neighbours! May we learn to abhor that liberalism which' makes light of these things. May we, if we haVe any title to the name of christiaus, stand up and maintain the cause of our God wherever we are. (Cheers.) I do trust that this is the last time that any of us shall ever be ,obliged to go through this evidence again. I trerst.there-Als not an editor of eine newstesper will presume ti r deny that which' I , say I defy his taleuts to disprove. (Lend cheering.) I 'trust, since Dr. Murray has voluntarily given up the cause, that it will be acknowledged to be, as it really is, totally iudefeusible; for I Will say this, that every part of this letter for instance, that Dr. Murray has just written, has only been -caloulated -to plunge them deeper and deeper into the charge, and every page appears to me to mark the finger of God in it. Every part only supplies yon with additional mate rials to-find out more and more of errors. (Cheers.) For ex ample, Dr. Murray has denied that this book was called .0. con ference book; his own secretary proves it;—he complains of want of justice, and he refuses every opportunity to vindicate himself. lie says he cannot stoop to public discussion; but he has stooped to write column on column of sophistry in the news papers. lie complains that his calumniators go to a distance; but he will not venture to meet them at home. He will not venture to ague; but he condescends to vituperate. lie con tends in this very letter the church to be infallible; but he cabs also in this very letter the very Cannon. "musty records !" The "musty records" of "an infallible church!" (Cheers.) He refers us to this catechism to prove the inculcation of cha rity. We find this catechism almost as had as Peter Dens. He refers us to Bossuet, and Bossuet rises in judgment to con demn him. He refers us to his oath. This brings to light his dispensations. He says he will retire from the controversy; to what refuge can he flee?. It is in vain, there is no refuge what ever where popery can escape the light. (Hear, hear.) Driven from all the depths of jesuistry and falsehood in which she has been accustomed to plunge from the pursuit of truth; reduced by every ebb and flow of arguments and proofs to shallower and shallower sophistry, and subterfuges in her hopeless efforts to escape, she lies at. length exposed to public view like a mon ster of the deep, deserted by the tide, left high and dry, gaspiug and floundering on the bleak and open shore. (Immense cheer ing sod clapping only say that all those who know the. human heart, know that an poor, wretched sinner, like one of us, who stands forward before the public, in any cause in which such applauses as you have bestowed on us, iney be given to him, stands forward only in a scene of trial and temptation— ready to ascribe something to his vain self—not knowing that he is as he is, "poor, and wretched, and miserable, and blind, and naked." I can truly Bay that when I look within and view what 1 am, as a sinner, that the applauses of the world could not raise me out of the dust in my own estimation, knowing that I aims before God ; and 1 would intreat, my friends, not your applauses, but your earnest prayers. And I do intreat your prayers, not only .for myself, but for Dr. Mufray—for all Roman catholics. - When they say we wi s h to come forwards to excite a spirit of enmity and anger against them—to enact. laws against them, and persecutions against them, I deny the assertion, and in the midst of England, and if I were in the midst of her.parliament I would say, there. is nn law will ever 4o for Ireland but the key of the living God. (Hear, hear.) No sword, I say,: for Ireland, but the "sword of 'the- spirit which is the word Clf God." (Great applause.) And if we had been as faithful to our Roman catholic countrymen as we ought to have been as faithful miuisters of the living God, in testifying with all fidelity of their errors and of the gospel, these errors that are destroying their souls, instead of being as we are, a wretched miserable divided nation, we should have been bound together in orte bond of christian love, as one family with God, not conteodiug against errors with each other, but "with one heart and one miud, striving together for the faith of the gospel." (Great cheering, which continued some time.) I have the honor.to move this resolution, and tp trust in God, that ... 4 "Zas4 ll kL-10, the_ efforte_whielt j have, endeavoured to, !mike in laying . the case before you, that it is a resolution' hich will pass unanimously. The reading of the reselution was received with tremendous cheering, and the resolution itself carried by acclamation. The address of the rev. gentleman occupied upwards of three hours iu the delivery. Re . v. POPE.—When I consider the length of time during' vi hien we have been assembled in this meeting, _and of the twist powerful, most conclusive, anti, I shall add, effective statement which has been submitted to th.t judgment and the common sense of this tinge assembly, I confess, sir, that I feel soinedilficultv in presenting myself before you. With respect to rnyaiiwu individual self, did I merely make my appearance on thisplatform without giving utterance to a single sentiment,' a strong denial would be given to the rumour circulated in the " Hcereticus, raptor, Sodomite, incestus, adulter inceedens, pesimens, cum percussore parentum, Sorti!egos sic Simon, Apostate demque complex." Now what is the difference between Peter Dens and Bos suet? Bossuet puts persecution into poetry, while Dens and Doctor Murray are content •witls it in prose. But how does Dr. Murray address the prutestants of the united empire? He calls you beloved fellow christians; now mark what is the admission here! Why, that you may he protest ants, that is, you may not only deny the articles of the faith of the church of Rome, but you may absolutely protest against her, and yet you are beloved fellow citizens!--(Hear, hear.) The catechism he quotes tells the children that out of the church of Rome there is no salvation for his soul; that if a man is not a member of that church he cannot be a christian, and yet he comes to address the protestants of the empire as—" beloved fellow christians !"—(Cheers.) But it is a pity when the Doc tor calls us " beloved fellow christians," that he circulates a book with principles so different ; for here in this very honk the second volume of Peter Dens (page 112) he tells us, "Luthe rans and Calvinists, appoint us the judge of controversies the sacred scriptures krne or interpreted by the private judgment of every one. But the heretics of England say, that this judg ment is to he ieferted to the secular power." fhe heretics of England!—Here we are! assembled andin-one fen swoop con demned as the heretics of England. Dr. Nur' ay sets his book up as the standard for his priesthood, and then be calls us— "beloved fellow christiatts !"—(Cheers.) But there is some thing else. We have not to go so far as Peter Dens,• for a hat are the very wordsssf his own letter %shell lie refers you to Bus suet. He says ' " Examine these always keeping in mind the saying of St. Paul, " that sects are atnonis those evils which exclude from the kingdom of God." Isle , desires you always to keep in mind that your very existence as a sect shuts you out • from the kingdom of God. He applies this principle to the sects divided from the church of Home; he brings no charge of arti cles of-faith rejected or crimes committed, but because you - are separated from the church of Rome. He desires you to keep in mind that you are excluded from the kingdom of God, and _ . sister country, that - 1 was' either studying at the College of Maynooth, or that I bad gone to Rome with a vie,e of becom ing a Roman catholic 'priest. Having made these remarks whit respect to myself, I shall dismiss the subject. . It is at all times painful to stand forward as the accuser of any portion of our feletw-men. If we reflect upon the uature of the world in which we dwell, and have suede even a small progress in the science of self-knowledge, we shall be slow in bringing any charges.against private individuals. But when those who have laid themselVes open to accusations of a most fearful nature— accusations based on the most incontrovertible evidence—hap. pen RI be a 'body of men, and that a burly of ecclesiastics presid ing over the- . moral and spiritual destinies of a large portion of uur fellow-subjects, that silence which, in like case of individual delinquency, might be commendable, becomes criminal apathy. It may be laid down as a moral truism, that the ministets of 'any religion exercise gr e at influence either ior good or evil over the populalion to whom they-minister: The Irish priests are familiarized with the habits, the prejudices, and the peculiarities of character -.belonging to the people over whom they watch. Through the - medium of auricular confession they enjoy access to,their secret thoughts and feelings. In their public and even in their private ministrations of religion they assume the charac ter or intercessors between the Deity and their !Locke, and by the absolutions which they grant, and by the supposed miracle of transubstantiation which they are believed to perform, they are raised iu popular estimation above the level of ordinary humauity—a delusion that I need scarcely say they are neither . anxious to dissipate, nor slow to improve. Again, the studies of the ecclesiastic must necessarily have a considerable influence' in moulding the powers of his own mind, in shaping and modi, fying thu instructions which he imparts to his people, and ate likely, in a greater or less degree, to show themselves embodied in the practical doings of his congregation. Let the clergy be savinglY and strongly imbued with the knowledge of that vo lume which is " able to make him unto salvation through faith, which is in Christ Jesus"—they will be workmen that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth—they will be "men of God, though roughly furnished unto all good irk " Again, let the study if the ecclesiastic be of a vain and that in the very letter where he calls you - -" beloved fellow works. Again, ... .a studies 01 .de t 0..... christians !"—(Cheering.) Be says, "consider how far these frivolous character, the natural levity of his own character will differences justified your forefathers in separating fi on] the pa- be augmented, the ministiationa will prove meagre and ineffi rent etoek, and haw far they are suffiCient to justify You in con- dent, and " the hungry flock will look - up" in vain for the ein tieming still that fatal eepaiation." Mark, it is a fatal 'separa- care milk of the word that they, may grow thereby. (Cheers.) lion, while he yet addresses you—" as beloved fellow chrietians." l'ui thee, should a system of theology be recommended to an Notwithstanding von must perish if you do not submit to the ecclesiastic by an authority which he is in the habit of rever church of Rome. "The last effort which Dr. Murray makes to encing; should that system of theology contain principles most anti-chtistian,and anti-social; and should those principles be blind the protestants of the empire on this iinnortant subject is derived, I regret to say, from another appeal' to the oaths of based upon a tribunal whose decrees and definitions he has the. bishops. •He quotes the oath which the . Roman catholic sworn undoubtedly to profess and receive, then I say that we bishops signed and published ire. 1826, in which we find the fol. sire justified in , concluding that some of those anti-christian lowing passage e—'• The cettiolicee •of Ireland not only do not Princ will find their way into hi` public ministrations, and, Pies ' believe, but thee declare upon oath that they detest as unchris- the - seetfe.thifs sown will spring up into an abundant s harvest. than and impious the belief - that it. is lawful to murder or destroy (Cheers.) n Men do not gather grapes Of thorns, nor figs of any person or persons . whiitsoever for or under the pretence of thistles." Whatsoever n minister soweth, that shall he also their being heretics, anal also the principle that no faith is to be receiye. (Hear.) New, ify our common sense admits the truth kept with heretics." Now, when this is brought before ue on of the positions I have laid down; it it be the fact that the studies ' such a solemn occasion it is necessary for us to investigate the of an ecclesiastic 'hes a powerful influence on his own mind—if it is true that those studies will tell . upon his people, and if, credit that is to Le attached to it ; this oath was signed by all the hishops of Ireland, by those four individuals who have made moreover, a discovery be made that for scars a volume of _pro `teaseddivinity has been a standard of theolegy with the Irish Dene' Theology the ist a n datd of conference for their. diocese. Let me now call your attention to sonic part of the doctrines of. priests, inculcating principles inimical to the full prerogatives .laths as contained in this standard of their faith. In the fourth of the civil power, and setting up an • ecclesiastical usurpation erolume, page 214, we find a list of the various modes iu which over the conscieuces, the rights, the liberties, and the lives of the obligation of a promissory oath ceases. They are as ful- men—are we nst furnished with a solution, at least in part, for low :—First, by rendering it null and void; secondly, by di e . the moral debasement of Ireland, end for the wretehedoeSs pensation and relaxation; thirdly, by commutation; fourthly, which that debasement has generated. Little need be added to by a change or withdrawing of the matter; fifthly, the total end the weight of. evidence which has been presented to your cousi completely ceasing;, sixthly, by reason of the condition not deration. Permit we to say a few words. Mr. :Nl`Ghee has being fulfilled ; seventlily, the principal obligation ceasing, our called your attention to a resolution of the Ituinish bishops, oath purely accessary ceases; eiglithly, by nett acceptation, and passed the 11th September, 1808. My friend and others have forgiving, - or remission ; ninthly, if the oath begins to verge to been called upon to produce that resolution. The demand i s aineee unfavourable issue, (in deterioruin minim) or to the most absurd. Is Mr. 11I•Ghee the keeper of the minutes of the prejudice of the public good, or event of any particular indict- Borni s h hishoos in Ireland? Bear in mind. the resolution was dual; • finally, the obligation of an oath ceases when it is directly published.in Mr. Coyne's Catalogue. in 1832, and was before obstructive of a greater good. Now, since one of these mne- the eye of Dr. Murray and the lloinish bishops between three rout modes of annihilating the obligation of an oath iv dispels. and four sears, and its truth was never denied, until the Church sation, we must enquire who has the right of dispensing. In of Rome, in Ireland, was charged with adopting the work of the next 'page, page '215, the question is asked, " Withwhoni is Dene as n standard of theology. I beg, in the next place, .to Judged tbeepower ef dispensing with an oath ?" Chiefly in the call your attention to the subject of the conferences. Dr. blur. pope, but'not withciut a reasonable cause, for he dispenses in r ay has denied that he made Dens's Theolo g y a book of confer another's right: It is also lodged by ordinary right in the ence. That denial 'has beets disproved by the gentleinan who bishops, Slot in,the priests, for this dispensation requires the preceded me. -But in what ,persou has r. Murray - mad e the peever of the highest jurisdiction." We now consider the niode denial? He denies, it is true, for himself, but where are the of dispensing with an oath, and in page 216 we find the fellow- f denials of the other bishops-Ir. Keating. Dr. Kinseala, and in objection eurged against disnsation :—" The obligation. of . Dr. Nolan, (the successor of Dr. Doyle) who, together with an oath is of natural and diviner ight, therefore it cannot cease Dr. Murray made Dens a book of conference fat their respec by dispensation, commutation, or snaking null and void." • tive diocesses ? Mr. Woods has informed us through the me- A. diurn'of the Freeman's Journal. that Deus's Theology was se " We detey the consequence, because by disp ensation, I ke, it: is brought to pass that that which fell under the oath does not lected, as. it presented, unlike other treatises, a complete sys fall under the oath by withdrawing, prohibiting, &c., and ;so tem , because the quest i o ns followed in consecutive order. I there is nothing dime contrary to the oath. Besides there is this would ask what .was Mr. Coyne's practical opinion iu the mat-s condition. implieei 'in' .every oath. " wetting the authority of r y ter? - Did he publish the questions of Dens alone? The ques superior," (saluojllos suMricais) Additional light is thrown,on lions might have b een comprised in a small compass. Nohe th subject by referring to a dispensation in another case, y e t, publisbea s the 'whole work contained in several volumee—he is . ii. page 272, in which we rercerve by what high authority this I Elblishedthe answers, as well asthe questione, contained in Done: Here alloW me to call your attention to a stetement in the Free ' power of dispensation site given to the church. It is declared as man's Journal, dated '27th June.last, and published by'authorityv hollows.—" Dispeosation is not granted in the obligation of et . vow or an oath, the YOW Ar the oath remaining; . but the vow' or "The first year no mention was. made of the author whose order t• was the oath is taken away or se:tumid by the superiors of the church followed in the directory. The clergy were thus putt ineori• venience; being obliged to niniage through several.volumes for in the place of God, pn4 010 10 ohligatien arising from thence t the questions."—l repent, '• for the questions." Why should epoutantonelv cows be the removal of the matter. (General • the clergy have been obliged to rumnge through several volinues expressions of disettieehere pep . s 7 sol the nmeting.) Having seen the power of di spegssoo,),3 it, ng: w remeteye het to enquire for the quesiione ? The questions the had Clearly- in their pee what is the j /ISt CIWEe QiiiF*9ol3i ib , Iwo #94 tlyg, vol, ii, vege session, announced in the directories.' Mr. Woods,' the adieu in 3.7)07 .i. ‘ What is untle 7 r;itelby a just cause or sufficient reason of , alia7l;e7ijarY to TorTNlurruv, intorms us - iii - Tirstirst letter, dispensing -- ; that one reason why he "honestly7—(taack the .expression ?."..Answer :—Any necessity, utility, or piety, rya- sonatil - i , moving to d'..iense." "What ought th - be fttat . neeel:. i " honestly,'!) gave in crotchets at thellead of the q uestion the city, utility, irr piety, sufficient ta cause a dispeesation ?" ate. 1 name of - the author froth whose work he had taken them by saver :—its quatitity,cannot be determined ; hut* is to be m a.. I command, was "to obviate this difficulty." Now I ask, how rally considered; ttiereircuMstances Of the law, persons, t i,,.„,, , ' could the ; ignorance, of the priests as to the work from which thee &c., being considered." We have now but one step more tri • questions were taken occasion a (*catty, if the answers given proceed ; and I solemnly declare I think it is a step that brings in the same baok from which the questions were taken were us up to the very acme .of human iniquity : and that i, that not considered as worthy of some consideration ? And how the same erson who has power to grant a dispensation to could this difficulty be obviated by Mr. Woods, when he p o'hers, has alsapower to grant the same to himself. We find honesdy stated tue name of the author from whom the queNtions vol. 2, p. 317, the following statement: " lie who ean disprise in were taken, 'if the work of Dens had no reference to the his own law, or in another man's taw, with his subjects can also in answers? Another reason why Mr. Woods made known the the same laws grant a dispensation to himself, because he is a tied name of the author whose work supplied the question, was "to avoid being taunted with having set down for discussion matter of the same community, and of no inferior condition to his subject. . (Expressions of disgust and horror followed this quotation.) ' which he considered useless, light or trifling." The volumes of ' Now mark the..awful iniquity of this system as applied to an Dens, then it seems, possess some little authority : for the fact oath. A man in this condition of a creature appeals to his God of the questions for conference being found in his pages, and the as a witness of his truth, and then on the occasion of what he answers, we suppose, as well would prove that the subjects for may please to call any utility or piety, .or just cause, he steps conference were neither " useless, light, nor trifling." I did intend to refer to some other documentary evidence, but my out of the condition of the creature and puts himself into the ' place of the Creator, and grants to himself, as the Creator, the Rev. Friend has anticipated me. Mr. IM‘Ghee quoted the Res;. dispensation of the oath which he took as a creature.' (Great Mr. Ciotty's testimony. It is the postcript to his second parn- expressions of disgust and immense cheering.) I repeat, that I phlet, addressed to the tower orders of the Roman Catholics in consider this as the very acme of human iniquity on the asubject, Ireland. My friend also referred to Mr. Nolan's letter. As and f hope that Dr. Murray will never dare to quote Roman I happen to possess it, allow me to read the paragraph which catholic biShop's oath to the protestants of 'the empire again. relates to Dens's Theology. The letter is addressed to the Rev. (Hear, hear, and cheers,) And now why do we bring these Mr. Maguire. things forward ? 1 hope in God—and the first thing I hope for " You assert that your religion rests as much upon the autho -and, as I stand in the presence of God, the greatest blessing rite of Peter Dens as on the authority of Johanna Soot hcote. my soul derives from him is, that my dear Roman catholic coun- i (Ciughter.) Pray, when and under what influence did you ; write this. dreadful fabrication? Was it in your hours of trytnen—my poor misguided friends and countrymen may have their eyes opened to see that system of iniquity brOught to the solitary reflection, or did you imagine that your assertions light ;—a system that dare not stand the blaze of day, can never would pass unheeded? Pray, sir, let me ask you is not Den's stand before that God who "sets our misdeeds before Him, and Theology one of the reference books of the Maynooth College, our secret sins in the light of His - cohntenance." And ',trust where you awl I have studied, though not as contemporaries? in God that they will be led to see that the men' who pretehd to Is not that book left in the public library for the perusal*of all infallible authority and infallible power, but dare not stand for- the students ? Again, have you ever heard of its prohibition'? Have you . not often made its contents your answers for elect? ward to justify . their assumption—that they cannot be teachers -- •- •- - • - - And with all these questions which must be answered in the ... affirmative, will you %fill assert " that your religion no 'mete rests upon the authority of Peter Dens, than upon the autho rity of Johanna South Cote ?" There are four things remark able with regard to Den's Theology. First, that though it be not a class-book in Maynooth, still it is there as a book of reference. Seeond, that it has been publicly exoosed in the library, and that its perusal has never been prohibited: . Thirdly, that many students in Maynooth had copies of it in my time fur their own use, and were never prevented from reading it; and, fourthly,, that when I officiated as a Roman catholic' clergymen; -many of .the priests' conferences in . Ireland were regulated by questions and atesweas from Den's ThOlogy'. To these circumstances may be added the fact that Deus' opi nions are as ranch respected in Maynooth, as Blackstone's . Co mmentaries in the protestant Universities of England. You will pereeive that>the statement made b . ) Mr. Nolan is not irreeon cileable with Mr. Woods' communication on the subject.. Mr. Woods acquaints his readers.that, in 1809, Dens' Theology was titmnitie. 4 +dr rejected , . sebeis , ,propozed as a class-book for May pooch. Mr. Nolan informs us that the students were nol7prc vented from examining the contents of Den's Theology, and that it Was used by many inmates of that establishment. Dens might have been made use of by the students, though not ad mitted as a class-book. In the latter character it might have been- subjected to the examination of the visitors; and, conse coently, as you have clearly heard, might have come beffive the public—a circumstance which might have been attended with awkward results. Indeed, singular secrecy was observed in, the manner in which Dens' rheology was circulated. It is usual, when new publications are edited, that the fact should be an nounced in the newspapers of the day. Mr. Coyne is a shrewd, sensible man. If, as Dr. Murray asserts, the republication of Dens was undertaken by Mr. Coyoe, "as a speculation in trade," it is striking that, knowing as he must have done, that nut a few protestant gent'emen would be glad to possess the work, he did not announce in the journals its republication ! In short, I shall not attempt to insult your understandings by endeavouring to strengthen the body of incontrovertible evi dence which has been submitted to you; but shall proceed to lay before you some passages in the work of Dens itself. Before, however, 1 do so, allow me to say that I entertain little doubt but that the volumes under consideration will be found to throw light upon the past, present, and future doings of Rome's faith fu children. The Bishop of Exeter, in his place in the House of Lords, stated in a speech made on the 16th of July last, re ported by the public pre - s, that "He would read a short extract from a most authentic book, the Roman catechism, sent forth by the authority of the council of Trent, and which the Roman catholic prelates, when examined before the committees of par liament, in 1825, admitted to be a decisive authority, from which no Roman catholic could appeal. ' First, the faithful must be taught how great the nobility and excellency of this sacrament is; for, seeing the bishops are, as it were, the interpreters and am bassadors of God, who, in God's name, teach men the divine law, and the rules, and personate God himself on earth, they are worthily called, not only angels, but gods also, because they hold the power and the name of the immortal God amongst 'us. " These were the words of a most authoritative work, dis closed to be so by Dr. hurray and all the Roman catholic prelates, and they were not mere muds, but they were acted on every day. For a proof of this he would refer their lordships to a matter of public notoriety. In an inquiry which was carried on in another place, a Roman catholic clergyman declared, (and his honest avowal was hououreble to him,) that " In the confessional, he was, as it were. God." Does the theology of Dens sustain the avowal of the Rornish priest ? 1 turn to Vol. VI., p. 2187, in which the following ques ion is proposed :—" What is the seal of sacramental confession ?" The answer to which query is, " It is the obligation or debt of, concealing those things which are known from sacramental confession." Iu page:2l9 the following questions and answers occur:—" Can a case be stated in which it is lawful to break the sacramental seal? It cannot be stated; although the life. or safety of a man, or even the ruin of the state should depend upon it; nor can the supreme pontiff dispense in it; so that on that account this secret of the seal is more binding than the obligation of an oath, a vow, a natural secret, &c., and that for the positive will of God.—What, there fore, ought a confessor to answer, being interrogated concerning truth which he has known through sacramental confession alone ? 11.—He ought to answer that he. oes nut know it, and, if neces sary, to confirm the same byain.oath (! !!) Obj. It is iii no case la/ful to tell a faisehmid; but'the confessor would tell a falsehood, because ho knows the truil • therefore, &c.? R.—l deny the minor, (that is, that the confessor would lie,) because spell cenfessor is. interrogated.as es man. and-replies as a ; .but now he due& uet.koew that treats as stamp, theugleise kunst% it as Go.l, ssys St. Thomas, q. It, art. 1, ad. 3. And that sense is naturally inherent in the reply, for when he is interrogated or replies, out of confession, (extra confessionem,) he his consider ed as a man: What, if it be directly inquired of the confessor whether he knows that by sacramental confession ?-11.. In this case he ought to answer nothing; so think Heyaert and Syloius; but the interrogation is to be rejected as iinoious; . or he can even say absolutely, not in relation to the question ; I know nothing, because the word I restricts to knowledge acquired by hint as a man, (hunianam scientiam.) lii like Dimmer, if a confessor be cited in judgment, that ho msy give a reason for having refused al-solution, he ought to make a protestation that, in this matter, he does not acknowledge a superior, but God. Anionic t. 4, de Porn. cap. 4,9, 6, p. 406." From this lass:nee it is obvious that a most exteusive cous iracy l against the state may be ou the eve of breaking out; the knowledge of the conspiracy, while in embryo, may reach the ears ot e the con fessor, yet. sfiuuld he be acquainted witty it ouly through the confessional, he is most strictly bound to withhold it front the civilfauthorities of the country You will also observe that the knowledge of the priest is twofold, human and divine. " Hu man" knowledge acquired out of the confessional—" divine," that acquired within it. We cannot enter the prison-house of the confessional; but allow me to touch briefly on the fearful obscenity developed in the pages of Dens. The instructions therein supplied to the conTessor treat of subjects, as tire index informs us, which I shall not name. I shall ask two questions. How can husbands allow their wives to enter the confession box ? (A general feeling of disgust here appeared to pervade the meeting.) How can a loving lather permit his blooming and adult daughter to be subjected to the ordeal of confession ? I.can only account fur the fact by recollecting the early period of life (ten vears of age) at which' children of both sexes attend the confesslocul Their minds thus heroine gradually familiar ized with subjects, the mention of which would instantly excite feelings of abhorrence in the genuine professor of protestantism. It is a truth which cannot be denied that the lower orders in Ireland, Homanists, possess but little respect fur the laws of their British empire, or their administrators. Dues Deus throw any light upon this matter ? In 3d vol., p. 410, we read:—" The acts of a judge are invalid, on account of the defect of lawful authority; but this defect occurs in a twofold manner, namely, absolutely and relatively; absolutely, when he has never had jurisdiction, or has fallen front it ; for example, if the judge be an excommunicated, person not tolerated; relatively, when the persons or causes to be tried are not subject to his jurisdiction." In the preceding we are told that there is an absolute defect of lawful authority in the acts of an excommunieated judge. This is tantamount to saying that the acts of protestant judges are invalid. For all heretics (prutestants) are ipso facto excom municated. Such being the doctrine taught in a standard of theology used by the Itomish ecclesiastics in Ireland; can sub- Mission to the laws on the part of the people, administered as they are universally by heretic judges, be reasonably expected ? -- that the ale "But, adds Dens, "observe, however, ,oat tne acts of a judge having the Unitas coloratus, the coloured title, with the common error of the people, are valid." Dens refers to number 106, which occurs in the 6th vol., p. lei 7. We are there furnished with explanations of the Maus colorants, and of the common error of the people. "What is understood by the titistes colons ins? The institution or delegation of an office with cure, ap parently acquired according to the laws. In the second place, the commissien of delegated jurisdiction conferred by one hay ing ordinary jurisdiction, although invalidly on account of some unknown defect, is supposed to be comprehended under the titulifs colorants. It is said to be an error, common ur of the community, by which a priest is supposed to hold an office With cure or jurisdiction.". I shall here remark that our judicial functionaries may possess the " tita/u.s co lorants," but it is questioned whether their authority is supported by the common error of , the people. In Ire land the papal ecclesiastics have lately attemptel to raise themselves above the civil power. The case I allude to is this— the Rev. Mr. Prendergast, who, in consequence of the state to which the gaol of the county of Waterford was reduced, was dismissed by the grand jury of the county, and the 'priest of the parish in which the gaol is situated, appointed in his room. This exercise of legitimate authority, on the part of the . grand jury, gave umbrage to Dr. Abraham, the titular bishop of the diocese. That prelate accordingly addressed a letter to the foreman of the county grand jury, on which there were several highly respectable gentlemen, members of the church of Rome, and which letter I shall now, with your permission, read. (Cheers.) "Cionmel, July 28, 1835." "Sir,—l never was more astonished than on receiving a docuineut—purporting to be a decree of the county of Water ford grand jury passed at the late assizea—a decree as sloVenly iu its verbiage as it was arrogant in its conception. This cell duct might well become the mild meridian of Elizabeth's reign, but certainly ill accords with the vaunted liberality of modern jurists. What! a box of laymen to usurp the patronage of a catholic bishop; I can scarcely believe it. But, to guard against the possibility of any infringement on my rights, I now t e ll you. as foreman of that said grand jury, that no other priest b u t the Rev. Mr. Prendergast shalt date otticiate as chaplain of the county gaol, and this you may publish from the highest to the kiwest places. What right had the grand jury to dispose of ins subjects in the fullness of their wisdom, and this without ii single appeal to the proper authority ? The world shall see by the result of this very affair, not only the usurping uropen sity of that said juri, but its impotence in ecclesiastic affairs. I mean nothing personal in this address ; but really I can with difficuly restrain my feelings uu the subject, and in • such times as these. "I am, sir, " Your obedient servant, "W. AB 11 - /). H AM." This letter you will dOubtless say was wolthv, from the mild spirit which it breathes, of proceeding from the pen'of an epis copal dignitary. , A circumstance of a like character occurred some years since in the city of Dublin. The grand jury, in Easter term, 1814, appointed the. Rev. Mr. Duffy, a lionmu catholic priest, to be chaplain of Newgate. When Di. Troy, the Roman catholic bishop, heard of this, he appointed another iti Mt, Duffy's place. The grand jury deenteil it proper to ap peal to the Court, of King's Bench against this proceeding - of the bishop, when their appointment was confirmed. Having, however, beeu threatened with excommunication if he presumed to itet in his situation, Mr. Duffy did not do so, although there wits no other impediment to prevent him. "I c ie: -- jousequeuce was, that, in 1815, the grand jury again complained to the court, and the result was that, in consequence of Mr. Duffv's non-performance of big duties, he was dismissed • by the eity grand jury. What does Dens say on the subjection of c.eelest asties to. the laWs of their country? In :al v 01.,: p. .29J, we read as follows : "There are two points to he considered in every law : one; that ' the law is a rule of morals. that it points out, directs, anti obliges, and ' these things relate to the decisive force of the law ; another, that the law imposes or inflicts punishments, anti so far terrifies and compels —which regards the coactive force of the law." In p. 292 Dons continues " Are clerks subject to human laws ? Rather strange questinn.) " I is heyoud controversy that clerks are subject to eealariosti cal laws which concern themselves, as well with regard to their co-ac. tive as to their directive power. " Therefore, it is here particularly inquired, whether and how far they are subject to civil laws? " 2. Clerks are bound by the civil laws which are not opposed to the clerical state or to ecclesiastical immunity, As, to their directive power : thus they are hound to observe the value of money, not to export grain out of the country, if doing so he prohibited,—to walk in the evening with a light, if such be commanded by the civil law to the whole community. " However," continues Dons, " because, according . to too 10th chapter Ecelesia, lib. 1, Decret. 2, a layman has no jurisdiction over the persons of clerks: hence Snares and more Canonists teach that clerks are truly indirectly bound by those laws, as was observed in the preceding number, concerning a legislator ; so far forth to wit, as in a like case apart ought to conform itsell to the whole community, and because the canons enjoin that clerks should observe laws of this nature. ' "3. Rut if the civil laws are opposed to the immunity of clerks, or if they relate to a matter in which clerks are exempt from secular power, clerks are bound by such laws neither as to their directive nor co-active force. The reason is, that clerks in such matters are in no wise subject to secular power; thus a clerk is not bound to keep . watelies, to military services, Scc." Dens then defers, on the subject:ofecclesiastical immunity. to number 196 et sequentibus, 4th vol., p. 2.39 Chapter —, No. 196, is headed " Concerning ecclesiastical immunity." It proceeds thus : " What is ecclesiastical immunity 1 1 is the privilege or exemption of ecclesiastical persons, things, and places from the power of laymen. 2. Hence, ecclesiastical humanity is . divided into " personal, real, and local:" concerning local immunity we treat below, No. 198. What privileges does personal immunity comprise? 3. It contains the privilege of the canon—" Si quis suadento diaholo. Cans. 0 q. 4." (For an explanation of the privilege of the canon, upon turn ing to 6th vol. p. 315, we read— N.). 227. The chapter is headed—" Concerning striking a clerk." " Another case reserved for the chef pontiff h Innocent LH. In council. Lateran c. 15. is read in the decree of Pratiad,Caus. F. 9. 4. Can. 29. " If any one at the instipition' of the devil ,should incur the'gui.lt of this sacrilege; that he should lay violent hands upon a clerk& u monk, let him he subject to the chain of anathema ; and let no bishop presume to absolre him (except the peril of death be imminent, 4 . c.) "This is called the privilege of the canon." Turning back to 4th vol. p. 239 we read, of personal immu snity— It comprises the privilege of court, hy, which, far example, a clerk is exempted from seenbar jurisdiction, power, and juidat• ; but in a ' feudal' (feudal[ qu. copyhOld) and real action; in the present,day, he is compelled to answer in presence of a secular judge. "3. It comprises exemption from personal burdens—for example, of hoarding soldiers, of keeping watches, &c. " 4. Real immunity is that lay which the farms, lands, or houses, So., of ecclestnsties are exempted from burdens or taxes, imposed by lay men—for example, from the payment of the twentieth penny, &a. "5. Both these immunities, sedulously observed with due piety in former times, in the present day are almost extinguished, fur eighty years since, ecclesiastical lands were exempt from payment of. the twentieth penny and of the royal taxes; but even at this present time, with respect to the clergy of the Metropolitan Church if M alines, im munity, in some dearee ;albino), is still oliserved " What Dens acids is well worth consideration:--" But nt , rhaps the more on that account, that the clerk vindicates for himself that due immunity from a bur densome title," (Willed. There is one subject to which I hog to call your particular at tention. In the second cnuterence for the year 1832, the con ference in which the questions relating to the persecution of heretics occur, the question is found: " Is the reading of sorted scripture necessary and commanded to alt." This question occurs in Dens 2d vol. p. 101.. The first. answer to the quest ion is, that the reading of sacred scripture is "neither necessary nor commanded to all, is evident from the practice and doctrine of the universal church: wherefore, in the Buil 'Unigenitus,' the proposition 79, concerning this matter, is condemned. It is useful and necessary in all times and places for all descriptions of persons both to study and know the spirit, piety, and mys teries of sacred scripture :" to this add propositions 80, SI, 82, 8 3, 84 and 85, condemned with same hell. I shall not occupy your time by reading the other propositions condemned. Now the bull " Unigenitus" is contained in the vrit vol. published, as Mr. Wood states, with Dr. Murray's sanction, and further was. declared by Dr. Murray, in his examination before a committee . of the House of Commons, to have been received in Ireland. The church of Rome would tell you that she tines not prohibit the free circulation of the scriptdres.—but in Dens we are dis tinctly informed that the church of Rome does not enjoin the reading of the scriptures upon all. Can s I would ask, a system which is opposed to the perusal of the scriptures by all, have emanated from that God who created the human mind? Com mon sense tells you, that no fellow creature is authorized to come between you and revelation, and that man is entitled to read the sacred records. Can such a system have proceeded from the God of the Bible? Deity says, addressing the inhabi tants of the earth, " Seek ye out of die book of the law of the Lord and reed."—" Search the scriptures, for they are they which testify of me." Another question immediately folloWing in the roufereuce that already noticed, is—ls the reading of sa cred scripture lawful for all? Dens answers—" In the first place, the church does not prohibit by any, decree, not even indeed to laymen, the reading of sacred scripture, in the He 7 brew, Greek, or Latin tongue. However, by the law of nature it is to be abstained from, if that readily . , should be liable to perversion through defect of fitness, or diposition of mind, as was the case with those of whom St. Teeter treats in his second epistle, chapter 3, v. 16, which the un learned and the unstable wrest to their own destruction.'" As this is a passage often quoted by the opponents of the indis criminate circulation of the scriptures, allow toe to make some remarks upon it. Su far is the passage from upholding the position which it is so frequently brought forward to maintain, that I claim it as supporting the right of all to peruse the scrip tures. Look at the passage. The word translated " uulearni'd" is a compound adjective of the word rendered disviple n diseipled, untaught in scripture truth, appears sela.ir rendering. The word translated " wrest " is to torture, to, put to the rack. to wrest from the natural, meaning; and imphee, an ingenuity of mind vs h it+ the unlearned;sin the gesseiret e eee.ptatson. of the word, do not e possess. Accordingly we find that the fathers 'of the great heresies which have prevailed 'were not ignorant hut learned persons. So that if perversion of the scriptures sup plied a just reason why they should be withheld from any—they should be withdrawn from the' learned, for such have 'made a bad use of them: To use an illustration—" The profligate per vert their health to their own destruction." To pervert health they must have possessed it. Certain persons, of whines Peter speaks, misused the scriptures. To have misused them the y must have had access to them. Does Peter direct that such should be prevented from reading the scriptures ? By no, means. The address of his 2d Epistle is to "all that have ob tained like precious faith with us." He founds a caution upon a statement which he had made. " Bewero lest ye also he led away from your own steadfastness," (in reference to the unsta ble,) "by the error of the wicked. But grow in peace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savinur Jesus Christ." (in re ference to the unlearced.) Dens continues:—" In the second place, the church does not absolutely prohibit, to laymen or to men of any fauk, the reading of sacred scripture in the vulgar tongue; but she does not ALLOW (!) it, except with great cau tions." Dens quotes as authority for the position which, he has laid down, the 4th rule of the index; and remarks upon it, "Observe, that according to said rule, the power of granting Pet mission to read sacred scripture in the vulgar tongue is lodged with the bishop or' inquisitor, not with the parish-priest or the confessors, except this power has been granted to them selves." So that the parish priests and confessors are trot authorised to grant to their respective subjects permission to read the Bible, unless they have previously received license to read the Bib* for themselves ! ! As the authority of the rules of the index is sometimes doubted, permit me to call your at tention to some proofs, that they are of standing force . eo the church of Rome. In the year 1561, the year in which the standard creed of the church of Rome was put forward by the authority of the popedom, Pius IV. published a 1)611, bearing date 24th March; 1564, expressly to confirm the rules and index. The beading of the' bull is, " Bull of our most holy lord Pius IV., by Divine Providence, Pope. Appro bation of the index of prohibited books, together with the rules established by the fathers deputed from the council of Trent, and the prohibition of possessing and reading said books." Pope Leo XII. in his encyclical letter, dated 3d May, 1824, speaks of the rules as "the rules of our congregation of the index," and exhorts the faithful " strictly (adaiiiiission) to adhere to thetn.:"f he Ithemists, in the preface to their New Testament, speak of this fourth rule as authority, and lament that due respect in the present day is not paid to it. I beg to. add a single fact. I have myself seen the index and rules printed at Rome, under papal. authority, bearing so recent a date as that of the year 1819. It is entitled " The Index of Prohibited Books, by . order of our Most Holy Lord Pius VII., Supreme Poutiff. Rome, 1819. Front the Apostolical Print ing-office, with the privilege of the Chief Pontif f ." (Hear.) Prefixed are the "decent regula ;" and in the appendix'are sub joined the several indices from the veer 1819 to 1828 . by Pius yil. and Leo XII. If, therefore, the Church of Rothe possessed ascendancy in these countries, it is evident she would lay an in terdict upon the free use of the bible. Three meetings, under the divine blessing, will be productive of much good. They will tend to remove delnsious under which some statesmen, and meredeinporal philanthropists, labour, with respect to the true nature of the religion cf Houle. They will puace before the Christiar 'nun the genuine character of the theology which is dispene' d to dembers of the papal connexion in Ireland, and excite his commiseration on behalf of the spiritual interests of the sister island. They will demonstrate, to the orthodox dissenter,. the real features of that system with which, fur thentfainutent of particular, objects, he has been led to form a most anomalous. coalition. And here I would remind him of the observation of a truly able writer :—The aid which we receive' in argument from parties between . whom and ourselves there is the most en tire discordance on fits[ principles, may well be suspected, if not wholly rejected; and 1 tell him, that let the objects which he contemplates he but accomplished. and the monster whnen ho now embraces will crush his unsuspecting victim to destruction. The diffusion, ton, of knowledge of Rome's genuine faith will check its encroaching advances in England. Believe me, the religion against which we protest is a most watchful foe. eager to usurp domination over the human race; audit' we would con tinue to enjoy the blessings which are now possessed be us, we Anust sedulously guard against the encroachments of the Roman I power. I shall conclude in the language of Wordsworth The sacred books, • In dusty sequestration wrapt too long, Assumed the accents of our native tongue ; And he who guides the plough or wields the crook, With understanding spirit now may look • Upon its recoils. listen to its sung, And sift its laws." May we duly estimate and turn to practical account the privi leges which we possess. Mr. Pope concluded by seconding the resolution proposed by Mr. M'Ghee. The Rev. Dr. RA Lein in moving the second resolution. shortly addressed the meeting. The rev. gentleman concluded by observing that he hoped each inkividual present would exert himself to the utmost to promote the general diffusion of pro testaut principles. (Cheers.) The CHAIR AN then put the resolution to the meeting, which was unanimously carried amidst loud cheers. The Rev. Mre Bunnicoms then rose and said that at that late hour he could not think of trespassing long upon the atten tion of the meeting. lie, however, could not refrain from stating that he felt much pleasure in concurring with the reso lution, and be might safely appeal to his Christian friend, who had heard what had passed at the meeting for their cordial ap erne.: of it. lie must impress upon their minds that it was not sufficient for the resolution to pass, but it was incumbent upon them individually and collectively to see it was actively and •firnilv carried into egret. (Cheers.) It was well stated by Bishop Barrington. and afterwards by Mr. Horne, iu his Com menturies nn the Principles of the Reformation, that if the re formation was worth establishing...it was worth maintaining, and he should be sorry for the head and heal t of any p otson who had heard the powerftillv sonvint ing and aigurnentative addresses of the reverend gentlemen who had preceded him, if they tlid not leave that place determined to uphold in every possible wily the principles of the reformation, and the idessiegs they enjoyed from the church establishment. (Cheers.) They could not salt that those principles were in a state of security from the guile of FRIDAr HORNING, OCTOBER 30, 1835. We have received Jamaica papers to the 20th Septem ber. Complaints of arbitrary and invidious proceedings on the part of the Governor have not relaxed since our last advises; otherwise these files do not contain any news of interest. It will be perceived that we have, at considerable sa crifice, devoted the whole of our available space to the proceedings of the Protestant Meeting held yesterday, at the Amphitheatre. It was by far the most numerously attended rneeting'that ever assembled in any building in Liverpool. Lord KENToN presided over a similar assem blage last year; but, as the arrangements Were then dif ferent, fewer persons were accommodated. On this oc casion seats were placed over the whole area of the stage and side wings, so that upwards of bix hundred ladies and gentlemen were accommodated for whom no place wits provided in November last. • • A more animating sight has seldom b ic en w it nesse d. There could not have been less than five thousand persans present. - The house was crowded in every part to.the ceiling; every passage, every corner, evert distant re cess;where only standing room, coulli.7be,olstained, was filled. Here we saw before us thhi ',vast multitude of anxious and deeply interested spectators, composed of the most intelligent and influential of our population, attract ed by a serious sense of duty, and under the impressions of religious awe, to sympathise vvith their Protestant brethren in Ireland, and hear the charges which the champions of the Irish Church had to bring against the soul-destroying superstitions of popery, and the cruel persecutions of the popish priests in that unhappy coun try. And this we will say, that if ,our countrymen and countrywomen have been in a state of darkness as to the character of popery in Ireland, as we believe they have been—if to them were unknown the frauds practised on an ignorant people—the extowtions practised on a poor and misguided people—if, we say, they have been in igno rance hitherto on these important matters, surely they have no p*a now, for ft is impossible for any person who listened to the eloquent, argumentative, and convincing appeals of the Rev. ROBERT JAMES M'GHEE and the Rev. RICHARD Pop E--appeals addressed to their reason, and sustained by clear and incontestible facts—to remain one single moment in doubt or in a state of indifference, with respect to the abominable, idolatrous, and sanguinary te nets of popery in Ireland. The crimes of ages were laid hare to•the very marrow —to the first moving principle of evil. The infallible authority of the papacy to do wrong with impunity—to degrade and pollute the human min&—to influence the judgment, coerce the body, and damn the soul—all this power of iniquity—all this tortuous syitem of perfidy, falsehood, and imposition—was . ' placed In such a light, and brought home to the conviction of even the meanest understanding, that none who were present could have resisted the awful truths which were conveyed. The scoffer may have been there--4he self-sufficient liberal .may have been there—and the witting of some deistical club, calling himself a philosopher, may have been there; but certain we are they must have sunk within themselves before the irresistible force of the truths promulgated, and the frauds detected, and . held up to scorn and abhor rence by the reverend gentlemen in whom we have al luded. We have neither time nor space to dwell upon the dis junctive merits of the several speakers, and if we had, no language of ours could do justice to them. Our readers must do that, if it be possible, for theinselves. ..We have provided as ample and as accurate a report as our re sources would permit. We hive only to say, that the , protestant inhabitarits of LiverpOOl are under inexpressi b:e and invaluable obligations to Mr. M'GLIEE and Mr. .Fora for their services on this important occasion ; and if they should, thus instructed, contribute their aid in extricating the protestants of Ireland from the Reign of - Terror with which popery threatens .them, and the per secution they have so long "endured,lhey will only cow .pensate in a poor way for the beneficial instructions they have received from these reverend gentlemen. May every blessing and happiness attend diem ! May they long remain to be the lights and ornaments of the sistei church ! May their candle, lit at the flame of the mar tyrs, burn brighter and brighter, until the darkness which pervades Ireland is.wholly dissipated by the light from heaven ! When they _return to their, would we could say, happy homes—to their, would we could say, happy hearths—may they be enabled to console their friends, and those who mourn, by assuring them that they have millions of hearts in England who deeply and sincerely sympathise with them, and who ate ready, like them selves, when the time comes, to die in the last trench in defence of the noble institutions, and the pure faith, and the unadulterated word of Goa, handed down to us by I our ancestors. - • A FELINE Ai.t.noortyr—MiCatis treacherous, so is a whig; a cat is spiteful, so is a whiff; cats are cruel and tyrannical to creatures iu their power, so are wh4is. The profession of a cat is to detect and persecute small plunderers; Wunder this pro fession a cat is commonly a very great and . greedy thief herself. Now, this is precisely whig, both in profession and practice. A cat is a dirty creature, and very nasty in her habits; Whigs can be easily traced by their unsavory practices in Bedford, Hun tingdon, &c. &c. Finally , the only kr_own attachment of a cat is—toplace.—Standaret. of popery; and if they regarded themselves they regarded the honour of Gout, the glory of their Lord and l.favionr Jesus Christ, who saved therii with his blood, or regarded the bonds of society, the stability of the law, and retpected.the adminis trators of that law ; or regarded any thing, that hound man to Man, and man to his Maker—it was their duty fearlessly to pro tect the principles of the reformation, and to endeavour by every means to diffuse that religious knowledge On which the reforma tion was based. (Cheers.) He would here - take leave to soy a word or two to those, of whom probably there were many pre sent, who dissented from the church establishment. They (the dissenters) had made a tremendous mistake by allying them selves with popery for any purpose under heaven, (cheers,) and were getting into the wolf's mouth to be devoured at last. It had been more than hinted if the dissenters could succeed in doing away with the church—the papists would do the rest. (Hear.) He would tell the dissenters that the churth of Eng land-stood between them and the great enemy of all, and it behoved them, therefore, to rally round its fabric, and support it to the utmost of their power, otherwise trey would find the consequences devolving upon themselves, and repentance would roma too late. (Cheers.) Mr. Buddicome concluded by stating thatlie had a vote of thanks to propose, which he was sure would meet with the cordial approbation of every individual in the room. It was to William Hulton, Esq., their chairman, a gentle Man of true protestant feeling, who had so ably and im partially presided over the proceedings of the day. (Loud cheers.) , Mr. HuvroN briefly thanked the assembly for this additional mark of their favour, and in the name of the meeting tendered his sincere thanks to the reverend gentlemen who had favoured them with their company and their able exposition of the doc trines of popery; after which Gloria Patria was giYen out by the Rev. Mr. Buddicome and sung by the whole assembly: The business, as we have already stated, commenced at eleven o'clock, and although it did not terminate until half-past four. the attention of those who were present did not for a single mo ment flag, notwithstanding many of them had been in the the atre nearly eight hours. We mai also remark that very few left the theatre until the business had finally closed. *.* ara unable to publish -a correct copy of the resolutions, which are of a very it4ortant nature, before Tuesday nett, the hearing of which was, that it had been proved to the satisfaction of the meeting that DENs's Theology is the authorised standard of the Roman Ca tholic Church in Ireland, and that an association of the friends of the established churches of England and Scot land be formed, of which full particulars. will be given in our next. THEA3RE-ROYAL, LIVERPOOL,' For the BENEFIT of Mr. STE /CKLAND, anif the Last Night of his Engagement, on .which occasion Mr, KEAN, who hes in the handsomest manner. Offered his gratuitous services. will perf.rm REUBEN GLENROY. • N WEDNESDAY next, the lth Ninrefi,her, will be per (A formed Morton's admired Comedy. called TOWN AND CO 'N'I'RY; nu, WHICH S BEST. Reuben Glenr v Mr. Kean. Casey 11 r. Strickland. To conclude with the favourite Muaka( Farce called BROTHER AND SISTER. Don Christoval de Tormes ...... ..Mr. Strickland. LIVERPOOL STANDARD. v i Any Person having a OPY of the undermentioned NUMBERS of th . IVERPOOL STANDARD may receive Two Shit ings for each Copy on application to Messrs. Whinier and Smith, Church-street. No. 2, 186, 222, 223, 230. Eiberpool Stan Darb. ON THE VICES OF MANX ATIRISE'RUDRNCE- ,3 :: LAW OF ARREST. (Froin the Mona' Sir ollo~iin~ op-tio-sanie train of thoughti Whieti induced me to expose the hardshiPs idlicted Ori the agri cOltural community by the baneful aliases of trespags jury Wthants, I proceed in the I,D e; the present lettr td lay bar the still krater enormlti'es of the law of arrest, as affects stranger residents; contradiWngaishfid from the native-born Manxman. To any man of common observation it is almost a wok r. • of supererrigatarin to premise, that to the stranger resi dents and visitants, and, through their medium, the in creased communication with Great Britain, thia island isi .almost entirely, if not altogether, indebted for whatever Wealth and influence it now possesses; arid that by di rect and obvious consequence, it is the positive interest of its constituted authorities,_ by every poaaible means, to encourage the emigration of the stranger to its shores and,. e conversa, td discourage every attempt that may be made to their injury, and abrogate and annul every local laW that has the slightest tendency to infringe upon their rights, their proPerty,or their libertieS. These data adMitted, and it would be prima' facie evidence of in, sanity seriously to deny them, I proceed to assert and prove that our insular law of arrest. necessarily tends to make the liberty - and property of the stranger insecure, simply and solely because he is a Stringer ; and that the native is not exposed to similar jeopardy, simply and ' solely because he is a Maniman born. This inhospitable law, too, as at present administered; has this hateful and injurious effect, without the slightest reference to the ca pacity, the .property, the honder, the honesty, or integrity of the different individuals exposed to its obnoxiods pro visions. I shall follow the mode adopted in niy former communication on trespass jnriei; and lay down cases in illustration of the system; thereby clearly detioing my own idea of the laW, and at the Same titre challenging, eye, and courting, contradiction from the insular bar wherever I can be convinced of error. My sole object is to elicit truth, and expose to the, public eve; in all its naked deformity, a festering' gangrene in the body po litic, which, instead of being carefully eroded; Is, I fear,, extended and cherished by . a nuns Heal majority of the insular bar; and, if not speedily eradicated, by compe tent authority, will most inevitably end in the final disso lution of our local government, And -demolition of our pe culiar privileges. Magna est veritay etprcevalcebit. ThiS model aprocedure must. occupy a considerable portion of your Columns, but that is unavoidable-the sn .ject is of vital importance, and cannot be dogMatically discussed and dismissed in a brief sentence. I shall state the case of A., an individual stranger, keeping house and living respectably, who owes 8., a tradesman with whom he has had a slight difference, three pounds; B. well knowing the state of the law, sae3t out an action in the Court of Chancery for the above trifling sum, (he can de it for forty shillings MANX in this form, and sixpence in another,) and actually arrests, and thereinider imprisons in jail the body of A. (unless he procures competent bail for his personal appearance to be amenable for debt and costs.) Admitting that A. can procure bail, which is ex tremely difficult for a stranger to do. the action is trans mitted from the Chancery Court to that of the deemster of the district, and there execution is granted against A. with taxed costs, amounting to four or five pounds. The judgment so recovered is levied out of the effects of A., or in his default, out of those of his bail. This is a most favourable statement of a case—none more favourable can by possibility occur ;—in many, the unfortunate de fendant must, of necessity, be incarcerated in a dungeon, from the utter impracticability of obtaining bail. The bar, I regret to say, in too many instances, make a point of adopting this harassing mode of proceeding—it being so much more lucrative than a simple summons to the deemster's cow, where the costs of an execution or judg went for an undisputed debt can never exceed six shil lings British and one penny Manx. Now, Sir, I shall proceed to prove to demonstration the iniquity of the practice, and lay bare the scandalous legal distinction made between the stranger and the Manxman, so that he who runs may read, and cry, as I do, "Fie upon your law." In the case supposed, B.'s affidavit, on which he obtains his action in chancery against A., instanter, runs thus, verbatim algae Itteratim :—" B. of &c., personally appeared before me, and made oath, &c. that A. staml a justly indebted unto B. in the sum of, &c." " And the deponent B. further saith,"—What, in God's Mettle ? that A. is about to abscond ?—that he is in meditations fuga. le or even that B. apprehends such a thing? No! nothing of the kind ! B. simply goes on to swear " that the said A. is not a native of this isle, as the deponent B. understands and believes." This is the affidavit ' • and, I ''unhesitatingly say, the scand a l ous an d wicked affidavit, on which an action is, as a matter of course, issued froin the Rolls-office, for the immediate arrest and imprison , went . 0 . 1, it may be, an honest and industrious stranger, to hi certain and irretrievable rnin, Aye, and worse. andeavre iniquitous still, under that meee naked affidavit alone, without the' governot's name and process being • appended thereto, withopt the signature of, the clerk of the rtilta, and without a' scintilla - of an eider or rule from any authority under the canopy of heaven; can that wretched, helpleia stranget be- apprehended; aye, and lodged in a jail. This is no piece of declamation, it is an appalling fact, of every day occurrence—and yet with these iniquities staring them in the face, we have in this island a set of knaves, who have the astounding bitidihood to assert; that England is anxious to assimilate her equitable laws to our monstrous abortious—we have also enow of fools, " God help them silly ones," whcireiterate and believe the barefaced lie.—Now Sir, bear with my natural indigna tion, and mark the difference of proceeding in the ca'e supposed, where A. is a Manxman, and also strongly mark the safeguards and niceties thrown like a halo around him, to protect his sacred person from the fangs of a dangerous 8., previous to obtaining*. Chancery ac tion in this case, must swear not only to the truth and justness of the debt, but, mark again entreat all you stranger residents and visitants, must elm° so leinnly swear on the Holy Evangelists. as follows "the deponent B. further milked) oath and saith, that he had been informed by C. D. of, &c.—that the said A. means and intends speedily to depart this Isle, without paying the said debt, and this deponent B. further saith that he verily believes such information to be true." Does this roost outrageous and degrading insult to the British stranger require one word of indignant comment, to rouse the free blood of . the proud inheritor of Magna Chile? . Will he, sir, whose ancestors wrung froth the grasp of another adverse tyrant 11+c famous Bill of Rights, and nobly claims it as his own inherent birthright,—will he, I say, tamely stiffer his liberty, while a denizen here, to lie at the mercy of every petty Munx tradesman? Or will he, think you, without one loud appeal to the home of his freedom, the Commons of England, l onger e nd ure this insufferable assumption of superiority.by a Manx man, which he would laugh to scorn in any other created man? I trow not—" Coming events cast their shadows before," and, if there be one political truth more obvi ous than another, it is this, that as surely as there is a heaven - above us, so surely will the first strong appeal from the insulted British resident to the British paplia liament, backed by the foregoing facts, and a host of others readily forthcoming, scatter to the winds Manx laws, and lawyers, deemsters, Keys, and all their boasted Celtic trumpery—l do not wish for a consummation, if it can be properly avoided, but rather than longer tamely witness these most nondurably insulting lines of demarc ation drawn up and pertinaciously defended between the Briton and the. Manxman, I would willingly behold, to morrow, the Isle of Man incorporated with an English eounty—and its separate existenee doomed to death " un knelled, uncoflined, and unknown." In another letter I shall touch on special actions in the Court of Chancery, many of w hick are ten tlyinsand times worse than the worst of the common actions in Chancery, to which I have been now endeavouring to arouse the at tention of yourself and your numerous readers, as well native Manxmen as British and Irish residents and visit ants. I an Sir, your obedient sem ant, BitITANNICUS. Doug/wt, Oct. 19th, 1835. INDISPOSITION Of THE Duns' or? -WELLING-rms.—We are sorry to state that his Grace _bait been confined to his bed fur three days from the effects of it severe cold caught at St iatfleld save. On Friday es-ening, when on his way to town, his Grace was seized with spasms, and on Saturday there were three or four medical well in attendance at Apsiey Ilintse. For three days the patient had taken nu fond; but we are happy to be en abled to annunnee that his Grace is now much better. THR HOUSES LIM PARLIAMENT.—Very considerable anent eioue ace makiug in the House of Lords, itt older to lender it wire convenient for carrying on the public bteeness. ltrceeses have been cut in the side wails (which are .very iltick) to a setli eientleeth to ethic: of additional seats for about twenty pet rs to be erected. 'fbe side gaMeries, which used to cettitl. the while length of the 'Muse, have been intich ditnieisl:ed; one helf of each (at those .entis nearest the:strangers' gallery ) have beeti•reinoved, and the parts which'reinaiu wilt in fut.:,..: be ap proached by a winding staircase at the bark of the throne. Several other alterations about the throne end below tie bar are in progress. There are no alterations of any importance iu the interior of the Mouse of COniniuns; but other accommoda awls en an extensive scale are preparing. A large building at the south end (abutting Abingdon street) capable of huiding htlU inen_bers, has be e n erec t e d, a n d i s n e a rly completed. This room is to be used by the Library..Qommittee in the day., and iu the evening for divisions. It will Le entered from the house by a door behind the Speaker's chair, and under the reporters' gallery, and will afford much g. eater facility than at preseut in collecting the votes of earls eieniLer. The room-. is built of wood, but the under part is, of very suleitantial brick-work, and is divided into severel couipartinentfc vehicle, it is said, ate to he fitted up and used as.the priseu'of the house; and that all per sens who ate itifuthre committed by the Soaker for a breach of privilege will not, it is supposed, as hetetofore, be sent to Newgate, but he.confined in these monis, under the immediate custody of the Serjeant-at-Atins. Two other additional rooms are also erecting; one of etich will be for the private use of the Speaker ; and the other for members to. hold consultations. It it expected the whole cif the alterations will be completed by Christmas.