Northern Times. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1857-11-10 00:00:00

I have not said one word in favour of Mr. Preston but what I could with equal confidence and truth say of Mr. Holme—except this, that I have not had the honour and the pleasure of his acquaintance for so long a time; but I am convinced that when we compere the merits and the qualifications of the two candidates, we will see many points of resemblance between them. (Rear, hear) Many traits of character are so similar, that I am alnecest tempted to exclaim with Captain Macheath, "Row happy could I be with either, • Were t'other dear charmer away." (Laug'ter.) Bat reflection, and the sense of right which rises from the conviction, that Mr. Preston has a priority of claim from length of services of seniority induce me to support him. I am well aware that nothing I can Fay will affect the votes of most of the gentlemen whom I have the hono' of aidressing, I have every reason to believe that they have made up their minds whet way they will vote. But I have some reale n to believe that there are two t r three gentlemen present who have totally independent feelings, who are waiting for some valid reason, why Mr James lichee should be preferred to Mr. Preston. I now appeal to them and ask them, if they lave heard one reason ? They have heard a warm panegyri,: upon the talents and character of Mr. Hahne from Mr. Turner, in which we all unite,—(hear. hear)—for I believe, there is no difference of opinien upon that suljact in any respect. (Hear, hear.) But let it not appear to the town that this question is decide-I as a party qua ion. (Hear. hear) 1 ask these gentleman, the two or three to whom I have referred, and in whose hands I believe hs elec ion will turn, whether it wonid be right in the present temper and state of the town ; whether it weull be decent, whether it w:ul 1 be judicious, to make this a party question, and prove to the pecple out of doors, that you systematica ly, and by rule, exclude every gentleman who is suspected of even the slightest liberal tendencies? Were it not so, would such gentlemen as Mr. Alderman J. H. Turner, and Mr Alderman Preston have been passed over so long? (Hear, hear.) Ido hope, for the credit of the Comte 1, for the gratification of a large potion of this vast community, for the honour and dignity of the town, that the Council will affirm, by a majority, the proposition of Mr. Glad stone, that M-, Preston be now elected mayor—(Hear, bear)—feeling well as- tired that his virtues will adorn, his good sense dignify, and his hospitalities uphold the high position which his friends now claim for him at yours panda. (Hear, hea-o_ The voting was as . follows :- 7 For Mr James Holme—C3unc llors —Thomas D. Ander son, Daniel Crosthwaite, James ereMu, ' Tames Tyrer Charles Turner, Thomas LittMale, Joseph G. Livirgston, Walter P. Jeffreys, Samucl it. GrAves, Alexander Shand, Thomas Wagstaff, John B. Brancker, James Aspinall Tobin, Robert Hutchison Francis A. Clint, John Farn worth, James Robertson. John Stewart, Hilton Hothead, 'Thomas Vernon; Aldermen —Tnotnas Ch;lton, Thomas Bold, George H Horsetail, Thomas Dover, James Park Thomas Robins° a Joseph Cooper, J. Bramley- Moore. M P., Raymond W. Houghton, Thomas Toulmiu, Samuel Holme, and F. Shand,—Total 32 k For Mr. William Preston—Councillors—Lhn Johnston Stitt, Richard Sheil. John Woodruff, C. C. Corbelly. Thomas Godfrey, Oliver Holden, William Barton, James Steaine, James Ryley, John C. Fernihough, Charles T. Bowrieg, John Lawrence, Charl-s Meeley, R)bertson Gladstone, William Earle, James A. Pic'on, James R. Jeffery, James Johnon. T. Llewelvn Hodson, James Mellor, Joseph Kitchen, John Aikin, Richard 111 Beckwith, William IL Anthony; Aldermen—William Bennett, J Heyward Turner, and Richard C. Gardner --Tet d 21- Mr. James Henste was thee introduead amidst 100 1 applause, by Mr. Turner and Mr. Parker. Mr. Shand vacated the chair, and after the usual oaths had been taken, and the necessary formalities compile] with, it was occupied by Mc. liolme. Tne CHAIRMAN said : Gentlemen, I cannot express to you as I could desire to do, what my feelings are upon the present occasion, when you hive just been pleased to con fer upon me the high and important office of the chief magistrate of this large town. I can assure you th it when I entered upon public life it was fram no ambitions motives, but it having pleased God to b'ess my industry, I thought I could not do better, having time u1.,0u my bald t. than to devote it in endeavouring to promote the public in.erest, as connected with this town. (near, hear). So far as my own feelings are con cerned, I can assure you that I should have preferred t 3 have occupied my usual seat in the Council, believi , g that perhaps I could have been of more service there than even in the high p - ,sition you have been pleased to place me in But, at the same time, having been identified with the great middle clss ,, es of the community for so many years, I thought I should be wanting in feeling if I did not comply with the requ'at of many very intimate friends, by allowing myself to be put in nomination upon the pre sent occalion. lam quite aware, gentlemen, of my want of ability to this high and important office and parti san, cs pi cuM4O,l WO. Lity, 1 win giro place io no one in an hcneA and faithful de-ire t v fulfil all ins duties, and at the same time to promote the interest of the whole community. Differences of opinion will arise, and it is quite natural that they should do so, but I hope that we are one and all animated by the same spirit, and that is, a desire to do the best we can, nit only for the constituencies which have sent ns in here, but for the general welfare of the c ;untry. (Hear, hear.) You have called upon me to occupy this pasi ion at a very peculiar time. There seems a cloud about to break, as has already broken, over the great commercial interest of this country, bat I hope that if God spares my life to !he cot elusion of my year of office, we shall again have re turned to that prosperity and that important position which this town should erjoy among the commercial interests of the world. Gentlemen, I will not detain you any louger, I feel deo/ ly the high position in which you hsvo placed me, and I h ape and trust I may be able to fulfil its duties to the satisfaction of Son all. I need only state that I shall, acc n!ding, to the custom that has so long prevailed, proceed to St. Peter's Church on Sunday next. I may beg to exerees a hope, not for my sake, but for the &Ake of the charity—one of the oldest charities in Liver pool, that so many as can find it convenient to fatten'', will on that occasion be present to give their countenance to that worthy object. (A.pplanse ) Mr, Alderman S. 'Deus moved that the usual allowance of 12,000 bs made es the Mayor's salary. Xr..Ald?rman COOPER seconded the motion. Mr. GIADTIONE remarked that members of the Council might keep it in their contemplation, that some members might pcysibly hereafter propose that that salary should be reduced. The motion was then carried The ruintees of the last special Council were read. DOCK COllll iTTAE. The proceedings of this eommt•tee were read. Mr. C. TURNER moved their c mfi7matiou Mr. AIKIN begged to be elhwed to ask a few questions in reference to the pension proposed to be voted to the dock treasurer, Mr Taunton, of £250 a-year. Mr. Taunton held the office of treasurer for only four or five 'ears, at a salary of 1.750 a year, and it appeared to him (Mr. Akin) that the pension now about to be awarded to him was too large, eTecialy as he believed was for life. (Hear, hear.) He should like to know whether the pen sion was to be for life—whether it was to be subject to confirmation by the new trust, and also whether it had passed with perfect regularity through the Dock Cora mittee ? He did not think, seeing that their tenure of office was to bo short, that the Dock Committee should award such a pension for life irrespectitv of any control by those who would eueceel them. Mr C. TURNER had no objection to ansTer 'be question, but ho would first like to knew from the Town Oleic whether the question came under the supervision of the Council ? The TOWN CL' RI replied that it did. The Council had power to canvass everything except a res3intion dismissing an oftlzer. M-. C. TURNER sail, that being the cage, he should proceed to answer the question. Mr. Tauatnu was, uu fortunately, from ill health, incapeciated from attending to his du ties as treasurer, or to any business re qu i r i ng muc h exertion either of body or mind. It was true that he had filled the office of treasurer only for a few year., an 1 that he had taken the situation under the stipulation that there was to be no retiring Fusion allow,d as treasurer ; and, accordingly, proposing a retiring all maga, to him, the committee did not look at his present position, but at the position he would have been in, in case he had not been elected treasurer. When he was elected treasurer, he filled the office of Receiver cf D ca Due.3—a very responsibie posi. tion, at a ealary of £3OO a year, but there was no doubt, had he continued in the situation, his salary would have been raised to £4OO, in ceneideratien of his bung service, extendne over thirty years in the service of the Trust. ghe Committee took that circumstance into consideration. and also considering his infirmities, they did think that he w:s entitled to a pension of £230 a year, not became of his position s treasurer, but because of the position he had so long held as Receiver of Dock Da, a. Mr. ROBERTSON GLADSTONE was sorry to say that Some irregularity seemed to have been committed in this matter. In the first place, if he was not mistaken, the day on which the Finance Committee of the Trust decided to allow this 'retiring pension to Mr. Taunton, the pro ceeding was brought b;•fore the General Committee for einfirmetion. Now, he was of opinion, that a matter of such serious moment was entitled to more serious conside ration, and that notice should have been given before . the. matter was brought before , he General Comm Mee for confi oration . (Hear, hear.) It appeared to hi mthat if Mr. Taunton was entitled to a pension as Receiver of Doak Dues, when he resigned that office and accepted the offiee of treasurer, he resigned the right to a p•nnon, because, in thi advertisement for Po treasurer, it *as distinctly stated that no retiring pension whatever would be given. (Hear, hear) Another question presented itself, and that he would venture to discuss without any personal feelin; whatever. From his experience of the Dock Committee, and the business conducted in Mr. Taunton's department, he had no hesitatiou in saying that Mr. Taunton was rot entitled, as treasure-, to a retiring pension. He believed that if any consideration were given it should be eve t to Mr. mi son, t h e secre t ar y, who, besides his own busines , , had, at some inconvenience, uneerteken the duties of the Dock Treasure - , and that if a return were made of Mr. Taun ton's atter dances at the office, it would be found that of late years the amount of time he had given to the service of the Dock Trust had been comparatively very small. S sing this short time during which the docks would be under their h 3 thought that everything should be done right and proper, and be would, therthre, prefer with Mr. Akin, that the matter had been deferred to the let of January—(hear, hear)—when the new trust could take the matter into their hands. He had no doubt that there were various impirtant duties for the D ck Surveyor to perform, but there were excellent clerks in the service of the Dock Trust, and by a little arrsngemeat he thought that this mat e • could have loom very well postponed. Mr. ANDERS )3T rose to correct Mr. Gladstone in an error into which he had fallen, as to the want of notice given of this matter in the committee. The Finance Committee did not wis:i t, take the responsiblity of the matter upon themselves, and they accordiflgly brought it before the Genera l Committee, when the woole question was discussed, and when it appeared that the committee were unanimously of opini that Mr. Taunton was entitled to a retiring pension, not as treasurer, but on account of hi long services as receiver of dock dues. The committee were also of opinion, with the exception of one member, who thought £2OO sufficient, that the retiring allowance should be £250, and with that expression of opinion the matter was referred back to the Finance Committee. At the following meeting the Finance Com mittee recommended that that allowance be granted, and then the General Committee co..firmed that recommenda tion. Mr. II )ns )N said it d;(71 look somewhat singular In the Dock Committee to proposa an annuiy to a man who, whoa taking the office of &nr7Pyor, had forf ited all claim to it. He agreed with M. Gladitoue that, as the new 'Lust would come into office on the Ist of J.nuiry, they would be jast as well able to decide on all the circatn stancea as the pressnt committee, and that they should come in as unfettered as posNible. _ _ Mr. Alderman Rontsso - 1 observed, that if Mr. Taunton hed thouglit that he had forteite I all claim to a retiring pension on accept'ng the treasurer,hip, he would have hesitated before unlerteking the office. He had been thirty-two years in their se v:ce, and was fairly entitled to the pension now proposed to be granted to him. Mr. J. R. JEFFERY a)ked whether suds a grant would be legal if it ware passed. The Tows CLERK replied that it was within the power of the Dock Committee to grant a supsrannuation allowance. 11Ir. J. A.. Teune sa'd that it would be much more pleas ing to him to remsin elect on this question, as it was generally considered ungeeeroue to say anything that might press age'nst a men failing in health; bat still, havin t listened to the atgament used by the Dock Chair man and Mr. Andereoo, he could not consent to let the matter pass without expressing his opinion upon it. The aTument used by the Deck Chairman was that Mr. Taunton's position as treasurer was not taken into account, but that the pension was granted with reference to the office which he previously held, as receiver of dock dues. In th tt situation he receive I a salary of £3OO a.year, and, remembering that, I e should say that the allowance now proposed to be granted, was much larger than wha; has been given on any previous occ sion. (Hear, he a.). In his experienas, he could not call to mind one single instance in which so large an al ,:vauee as five-sixths of the original talsry was made. If the proposed allowance ware a smsll one, he should not have sai t oie word, and it was wi!h reluctance he rose to express his opinion, that it was mach too large under the circumstances. They had aw sr& d no larger allowance to the Marine Surveyor, who had filled a mere responsible office, req siring much greater ene gy and expo , ure, and whose illness Ind been mainly ecca sioned by the great exertions which the duties of his office called upon him to make. Mr. C. TITRKFR replied that the question was not between £3OO and £250, but between £4OO and £250. The MAYO t asked if any gentleman were prepared to move a veto on that part of the committee's proceeding.? Mr. A'KEN repl:ei that he wets, and then moved that that part of ho pr :ceedin44 having reference to the allow ance of an annuily to the treasurer be not ccatirmcd. Mr. Honsort seconded the motion. Mr. W .HeaLic asked if it would no` be c .mpetent for the new Trost to grant this allowance ? The Tows CLtitx replied that 8D 'ong as the d)ck acts ob•erve't, that though it was now intenn Ott that the annui+y s':ould be 13r life, yet that it wouli be open to the new Trn.t to emerd it. - Thu Tows CLERK replied that he doubted if the new Trust enuld do so a ter the vote wag ones c manned Mr. J eTinVIRT that it would be better if Mr. Taunton continued to hold the office n Ail the new Trust came into power. He did not Nee, just %hen the power was about to pass from them, to do anything whic'a ett'gat be open to comment, and he woull, therefwe prefer that Mr. Taunton remained in his office, and that the new Trust were left to deal with their own money. Mr. C. Terme& replier' that it was impossible for Mr. Taunton to attend to his duties, and it would b 3 improper to all ow so important a departnaent, through which so much money passed, to remain without an active head and super intendent. (Hear, hear ) Mr. AIKiN s rnetion was thee put to the vote, and lost by 31 to 20. The voting was as follows : For Councillore - John Johnso t Stitt, Richard Snail, John Woodruff, C. C. Corballe, William Barton, James Steains, James Ibley, Jelen C. Fernihough, Charles T, Bowring, Robertson Gladstone Wi!liam Earle, James A. Picton, James R Jeffery James Johnson, T. Liewelyn Hodson, James Mellor, Joseph KiLehen, John A kin, Richard M. Beckwith; Alderman—William Preston-20 Against—Councillors—Thomas D. Anderson, Daniel Crosthwaite, James Crellin, James Tyrer, Char es Turner. Thomas Littledals, Joseph G. Livingston, Walter P. Jef freys, Samuel R Graves, John Lawrence, Thom as Wag staff, John B Brancker. Robert Hutchison. Francis A. Clint, John Farnwor It, James Robertson, John Stewar, Tnoma, Vernon; Beneett, Thomas Bold, Geor e e H. Uorsfell, James Parker, ThomaS Robin son, Joseph Cooper, J. Hayward Turner, Richard C. Garener, Raymond W. Houghton, Thomas Toulmin, Samnel Holme. F. Shaad ; the Meyer— 31. Mr. W. EARLS lived that the names wall 1 be recorded, Rs he would, on a future day, rem'nd gentlemen of their extravagance. The proceedings of the committee were than confirmed. On the motion of Mr. C. Tuasett, M.. T Liteledele was elected a member . of the Dock Committee. Mr. Pic ewe here rose, for the purpom of drawing atten tion to the late meeting in Manchester in regard to the Bit!' enhead Docks, but desisted, on being informed by the Mayor that the subject won!d come on ie the regular co Tee of procredinge, a communica ion having been re ceived from Manchester bearing on it. The Lext business was the appointment or the three quarterly Cot - melts for the ensuing year. It was proposed that they should be, as usual, on the first Wednesdays in February, May, and Augcst, and be held in the Cenacil Ch emher be reduced nearly one-half—(cries of " No, no ")—that the resolution should not be passed until they had first a report on the subject. The Tows CLERK replied that all the officers were appointed daring pleieure, and that the passing of the resolution would in no way prejudice the Council . Mr. HOD3ON asked if the Financa Committee intended to lay before the Council a stetement of the revenue of the Corperatic n. The Town CLERK replied that such was th-ir intention At the last meeting of the Finance C ammitteJ they directed himself, the Surveyor, and the Treasures to make a report upon the income and expenditure of the Co:Tor .tiou, &say guish'ng the obligatory payments, and the effect of the Mersey Conservancy Bill upon it, and that report would be laid before the Finance Committee at their next meeting. (gear. hear ) Mr. HOD CON said that in that case he would withdram his motion. Tae annual appointments were then male. APPOINTMENT OF C MMITItZS. The next business was the sk-p ointment of Committees. Mr Srtvr said that it would be in the recollection of the Council that at their last meeting he had given notice that he would mere for a re-organisation of the Com mittees. He would not fur reasons which he would presently sta`e, go as fully into the matter now as he intended to do, but he w,Juld lay it down as a principle that every gentleman who entered the Council ought to be expected, and ought to be required, to take his fair share of its necessary duties. (Hear. hear.) That appeared to him so very pl.in and reasonable a proposition, that he did rot expect there would be much opposition to it. He would go further, and say, that whoa a gentleman hid found his eng-tgements were such as to prevent his taking his place upon more Committees than one or two, or to prevent his attendance, even upon those committees, it ought to require no pressure from without, to show that gentleman what step he should take— hat he should give way gracefully to o , hers wh) were prepared to take his place on those committees. A. singly glance would show how very unfairly the members of the Council were at present distributed on the committees. They hei at present 21 pArmenent committees, though on the Council summons 25 appeared, because including the special committees. T,t. y had 61 members, an :1 if the 21 cm mittees were fairly divided between them, there would be three committees for each member. But what vas the actual distribution ? There were 13 gentlemen of the Council, who were on 13 committees, 37 who were * on 8 c)mtnitiess, 3 .ho were on 7 committees, 0 Rho were on 6 comuittees, 11 who were on 5 committees, 13 who were 4et 4 committees, 13 who were on 2 committees, and 1 on 1 committee Mr J. B. J• 2,RY : Who is that one? 11r PICTON mwed, as an amendment. that they be held in the new ecncert o ri, St George's 11111; and, in tht: cour, , e of his cb•ery tioLs. urged the propriety of the public being adAi ted to their discussions, according lo the practice in Menet:le.:ter, and nearly all other towns in the kingdom. Mr. Alderman PAIIKER seconded the motion. Mr. STITr : Mc. Alderman Toultnin. (Laughter) That simple reference to the actual distributiou of the members of the Council was sufficient to show that is duties were made to press too heavily an] unfairly upon Ort4in membe-s, and that others were permitted to escape without discharging almost aoy duties. Now, as to the remedy— he was gi well aware as any gentleman could be of the great delicacy and difficulty, as well as the importance of this subject. When he gave notice of his intention to bring it before the C suncil, he threw out a sugpstion that the chairmen of the committees should meet and consult together, and bring up a report oa the bast mode of solving the difficulty Those gentleman had mat and consulted, and had come to a resolution, but the question was one which, in his opini was cf far too much importance to be seta Al in that manner. It would require a great many mee.ii.gs and skill, to put the matter on a much sounder and eater basis than it had been. Toe Conservancy Bill, however, would come into operas on on the Ist of January, when there would be a re-distrib. , ,ion of tho members now serving (,n the Dock C , masittee, and under these circum stances he was preptred to move that the committees be Hodson, but he had already cotatuunicsted with Mr. Shand upon the subject. Some discussion took place, after which the Council divided, when the amen latent was lost by a majority of :30 to 21 Mr. GODFREY moved arother amendment, to substitute Mr. Barton fur Mr. Shand Mr. HODSON seconded the amendment, contending that , new blooa was reqnired iu the Watch Committee, and declaring that it was known through the length and breadth of the town, that ihe Watch Commi tee did not do their duty. It was well known that for three years back, he (Mr. Hodson) was theirous f being appointed a member of that Committee, because, knowing. wore of police affairs than he chose to mention, he thought he could throw in that knowledge, so as to be of service to the community, but he had invariably met with opposition. The amendment was fiaaliy withdrawn, and Mr Shand appointed. Mr. FEENIII lIGII suggested that, as Mr Mann hail been prevented by ill health from attending the committee for a considerable time back, it would be neee-.nary to elect some one in his place, /tad that the nem s of Mr. Barton could thus be added to the committee. Mr. GnDFREY proposed that Mr. B irton b placed on the committ:e in the room of Mr. Mann. Mr. Barton was the representative of very important interests, and desired to be appointed to the Watch Committee, believing that he could be of some service there. Mr. JEFFERY urged that Mr. Hodson's name should be substituted for Mr. Mann's, as Mr. Hodson and Mr. Barton would be put is a most painful position towards each other. An inference also might be drawn that there was some truth in the charge which Mr. Hodson had made, thet the committee was a snug, comfortable family party. and was afraid cf his being introduced among them, lest he should disturb their happiness. Mr. Bt<CKwIIII said it struck hint forcibly that there was something existing in the committee which made it an object to keep Mr. Hodson out of it. The way to keep the committee pare was to have Mr. Hodson upon it. (Hear, hear, and laughter). After some discussion Mr. Barton was elected. Mr JEFFZRY hoped that if they all lived until that time 12 months the chairman of the Watch Committee would have better taste than he had evinced that day. Mr. KtTcnere moved that Mr Hodson's name be added to the C matittee. _ _ _ Ater some discus.,ioa, in which the old arguments pro and con were repeatAcl, the amen - Irnew; WAS put to the vote and lost by 29 to 19. The voting was as 'ollows: For the 11 . 106 - Ht.—Councillors •-141essr4. John Johnson Stitt, Richard Sheil, J.thn Woodruff, J toles C'el in, C. 0 Co:belly, James Ryley, Charles T. Bo wring, R)bertson Gladstone, James A. Pict James R. Jeffery, James Johnor, T. Llewelyn Hodson, James Mel or, Joseph Kitchen, Richard M.Beck, , ith, John Farnwortit ; Aldermen —William Preston, James Parker, and Richard C. Gardner —l9. Mr. BECKWITH seconded the motion. Mr. BKANCKER, while earnesdy disclaiming any ill feeling to Mr. Hodson, opposed the motion on th 3 ground that the Committee was already very large. He assured Mr. Hodson, that if he were a member, he would find nothing existing in the Commiziee such as he had charged them with. Against it. —Councillors—Messrs. Thomas D. Anderson, Daniel Crosthwaits, William Bar:on, James Tyrsr, Charles furrier, Thomas Liitledale, Joseph G. kres, John James ; Steains, John C. Fernih om o, Welter P. J Lawrence, Tacoma. Wagstaff. John B. Braucker. William Earle, Robert Hutehkon, Jchu Aikin, James Robertson John Stewart, Hilton Hothead, William H. Anthony, Thomas Vernon ; Aldermen—William Bennett, George H. Horsfall, Thomas Dover, J. H,yward Turner, Raymond W. Houghton, Triom:s Toulmiu, Samuel Holm, and the Mayor-29. The original motion was then adopted; and on the it was referred to the Speci a l moti 'n of Mr. J R Jeffery, Committee to report on the bas manner of improving the Council Chamber. ANNUAL APPOINTMENT OF OFFICERS. The next bu.siness was the annual appointment of officers, with their present salaries and privileges. Mr. flonsoN thought it would be advisable, before those appointments were made, for the CJaccil to have bef...re them a report on the reduction of the revenues of the Corporation. It was understood that the business of the Council would be materially lessened by the changes which would take place in January ; and without saying whether the present salaries would be equivalent for the new duties or not, he thought, remembering that their zevq ll W,, !old app tinted, as usu - al,to - act until the Ist of trinuary, and that, in the meantime, a special committee be appointed fully t c gadder the best meth xi of arranging the com nitteee, and to report to the C uncil -the committee to consist of Messrs. S. Holtne, J. Stewart, Bheil R Glaistone, W. Earle, 13-ancker, Picton, Farnwortla, J. R Jeffery, Hodson, and himself. Mr. Eionsox secondel the moinn. Mr Alterman. S. H. , Lsth said that the chairmen of the committees bad met, in accordance with Mr. Stites sug potions, to consider this question, and that Mr. Stitt himself was present at their meeting. The re-ult of their deliberations was a recommend tti m to go on with the appointment of committees as usual, but not to appoint members to a more than a ctrtaiu number of committee's Personally, he had no objection to Mr. Stitt's plan, but, at the same time, he saw its complete inutility. He did not think Mr. Stitt had given. them any valid reason why they should depart from the usital custom in this matter ' and thought it better that the Council should at once proceed to the a,,polutment of the committees. lirancker, and ocher pntleni;in ars - 0 pposeri — Mr. Stites motion, which, when put to the vote, was lost by 19 to 25. The voting was as follows : For the motion Cluncillors —.Mosul. Thomas D. Anderson, John .131inso , . Sdtt, Daniel. Ceosthws,i e. Richd Sheil, John Woodruff, James Crel'in, C. C Corbally, James Steaine, James R, ley, Charles T Bo wring. Simnel R Graves, Chides Mozley, R )bertson GlalQtone, James A. Ptcton jamas R Jeffery, T. Llewelyn Hoisan, James Mellor, Joseph Kitchen, Francis A. Clint-19. Against the motion :—C mncillors—MeFers. Wm Barton, James Tyrer, Chatles Turner, Thomas Li.tled la Josedh G. Livingston, John C. Farnihmgh, Walter P. Jeffreys. Thomas Wagn.aff J,hn B B-ancker. Janes Aspinall Tobin, William Earle, Rob.3rt Hutchison. James Johnson, John Aikin, John Fa-nvrorili, William ff An•hony Thos. Vernon Aldmnen Me3.re William Preston, Thomas B hi, Thomas Dover Joseph Cooper, Raymond W. Tieug%ton, Th)mas Toulmin, Holme, and tha Mayor-25. FINANCE CC MMITTFE Mr Alderman Hon3ta, in moving the appointment of the Fin .nce C. , mmittee, said he was sure the Council would join in his regret that th I duty of prvosing that: mltion had fallen to him. No one could deplore more than he did the lass wtich the Council and the public htd sustained in losing the firmer Chairman of the Finance Committee. Altvaya calm. always eerene, always unimpassi )ned ; he was c - m• siderate to all, and united firmness wish courtesy to a delres which he (Mr. Home) had never seen excelled. (Hear, hear.) He was vigilant in the discharge of his public duties, and in losing Mr Hornby the town had experienced a great and a public loss. (Rear, hear ) That loss, howev, r, was mitigated by the circumstance that they posse sad a gentleman in that Council whom he (Mr. Holme) has the pleasure of seeing upon his left hand (Mr John Stewart), whose great local knowledge and wh ,, se general information would t) acme ext oat supply the loss to which he hsd alluded He could not, upon the present owasion having been the depnty.chairman of the Finance Committee, move the appointment of its members without saying thus much as a tribute of his respec'z, to a gentle man with whom be had been e . .-operating for s) many years. and had er.joyei a pleasure in Co.opefating with lam in the management of the fitarroos of the corpo ration, to which he had thus venture I to give a humble xpression (Rear, hear) He now moved that the Finance Committee consist of the f )11)wing gentlemen : Messrs. J. Bnimley-Moore, Jones Parker, J. H. Turner, Cooper, Tyrer, Toulmin, Preston, Fornihough, D3v.sr, Tobin, Stewart, Ea le Thaucker A kin, S. Holm° and to fill the vacancy c ineed by the retirement of Mr Ho nby, this late Msyor, Mr Francis Shaud. MC. CIL tom:INR asked what amount of service cou'd be expected from Mc. Bremle -Moore. The principle could n )t be questioned, that whenever a member of the Council faled to do his duty, 'he duty Tin ual:y Ml upon some other memb - r. Mr. Branley-Mo ire was a member of Ye liament, and ha (31r. Gladstont) thought it most unsolved that any man should bo'd a seat in that Council, and at the same time be a member of pirlieenent, for he must hold by the on. and de4p se the other ; he could not serve both ; he could not be in two places at once. He was not himself a member of the committee, arid it was a question for the committee to caneid,,r, but he ghoul lie to know schether the gentlemen cf the committee were disposed to take Mr Ilraculey-Meore Mr. Honme did not knoe , anything to prevent a Member of Parliament sitting in the Council, under the Municipal itet, and, f he could sit in the Comte . ), he was elig - ble to be aepointed to a commi tee Mr. Ifranoley Moore had been a valuable member cf the Finance Committee, and although dur ng the session of Parlament he was some times absent, yet, on many occasions, he was present. The motion was then carried Mr. Gnanswee remarked, that he was imp-es ed with a conviction, that the hour was approaching when the man.gement of , he real state of the Co-poration wontd deserve and recnire a separate committee for itself. (flea-, hear.) On the present occasion, as de Council appearei disposed to allow matter., for the p..e3ent, to assume their wonted shape, he did not propose any alteration, hut, after the Ist of January, he would propose, aided, as he 11 , _ped he would be, by the forcille elc.quence of Mr. Stitt, to re organise the greater portion, if not all, of the Committees. The Council then divided, when there appeared 23 for the motion, and 23 against. Several members called upon the M tyor to give his casting vote. Mr. lion-oN : I will not place the Mayor in the posi tion cf having to give a casting vote—l will withdraw. Mr. Bacxwmt : No, no, you cannot withdraw. The Mavoa : Then I give my vote against the motion. Tae motion was therefore lost. THE NORTHERN TIMES.en w LIVERPOOL, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1857 mitten consist of the following gentlemsn :—Messrs. Earle Crellin, Ryley, Stitt, Woodruff, Hodson, Wagstaff, Mellor, Graves, Livingstone, Firnworth, Bennett, Chilton, and Vernon. Mr. Cooper announced that he had himself re tired from the committee. Mr. GODFRMY move that the name of Mr. J. R. Jeffery be added to the committee. Mr. BIICKWITII seconded the motion, which was agreed to. Tha other members were elected as proposed. LIBRARY AND bILJSRIIII . COMMIT rEE. The following gentlemen were elected, on the motion of Mr. PICTON : —Messrs. Bennett, Beckwith, Woodruff, Earle, Hodson, Kitchen, Aikin, Lawrence. Steains, Stitt, Mozley, Bowing, Hutchison, Corbally, and Picton, the names of Mr. William Brown, M.P., a! , (1 Mr. Holt being added, according to the permission in the act of Parliament, although not members of the Council. HACKNEY CARRIAGES' COHIMITTER. The following committee was elected, on the motion of Mr. WOODRUFF Bennett, W P. Jeffreys, Holden, Barton, Beckwith, Godfrey, Kitchen, and Woodruff. BATHS' AND WASII•IVIISES' COMMITTEE. On 'he motion of Mr. WAGSTAFF, the following gentlemen were appointed : Fernihough, Parker, W. P. Jefferys, Birton, Graves, Mozley, Lawrence, Crellin, and Wagstaff. tIRKINEIELD CDNIMITTEE. Mr. STEWART, in moving the appointment of this com mittee, said he was sure the Council would hear with much pleasure that the duties of that committee would cease with the present year. As, however, the business was very important, it would be necessary to re-appoint the committee, even for the short period of six or seven weeks. He, therefore, moved that the following gentlemen con stitute the committee :—Messrs F. Shand, Mann, Earle, Gladstone, S Holme, Bold, Aikin, Bramley-Moore, Tobin, Clint, Charles Turner, J. R. Jeffery, Ryley (in the room of Mr. Hornby), the M yor, and John Stewart. The motion was agreed to. Mr. Gloves drew attention to certain resolutions recently passed at a meeting in Mancheater, and urged that as they referred to the Birkenhead docks, the present would be the most convenient time to enter upon the subject. The Mayon said a communication ha I been received on the subject, whicte if it ware the pleasure of the Council, &arid be then read. (Hear, hear.) The TowN CLERK then read the resolutions adopted at the recent conference held in M inchester upon the subject of the Birkenhead d - cks, and which were forwarded to the Council by the direction of the meeting. The reso lutions, with a report of the proceedings, appeared in this journal of last Friday. e Mr. JOIIN STEWART said, that it mutt have occurred to every one who had hears the letter, that the parties were confounding two things. (Hear, beer) The duties of the Corporation. as the letter pointed out, were limited to the Birkenh ad Docks and the al'egatien that they ware seek ing to promote docks at the north end, was not one that applied to the Council at all. (Hear ' hear.) That was a separate affair. The question which the Council had to deel with was, whether they had carried out, in n bona-fide manner, the Act of Parliament which had received the royal assent only in August last. He had heard some whisper out of doors, that there was a desire, on the pert of the Corporation, to " bucks" the whole of the Birken head scheme. To that he answered, most emphatically, that there was no such intention, bet that the c anmittee had proceeded in what they believed to be the most vigorous and prudent manner, wieh regard to the Birken head Docks. (Hear, hear,) If gentlemen would cell meetings of railway companies and others together, and say, that since that bill had received the royal assent, the Corporation had done nothing towards carrying it out, he should say, that they spoke in great ignorance of the metre and extent of the contemplated works The Council had a very delicate duty to perform in this matter They were placed in a vary peculiar and very delicate p)sition, and one which required great care at,d great watchfulness on their part—(hear, hear)—for, under any mode of proceeding, they would be laid open to animadversions from perti-e desirous of finding fault with them The obligat o t which at present rested upon the Corporation was created by the bill which received the royal assent in Augast last. That obligation was to carry out the Birkenhead docks actor gag to the original plan laid down by Mr. Randall ; but he would ask any gentle man, who knew anything about dock works, whether the Corporation would have been actin g with anything like pru fence or propriety if they had proceeded with anything but surface work until they had prepared all the necessary plans, sections, specifications, and had obtained tenders from responsible and respectable contractors ? (Hear, hear) And any gen lemon, too, who knew anything of such works would know that the preparation of those TIBIA re." A tiniitl riiliits w er A l e t:i iirYrteY f aVB4ttla r k f ten4 to their talented surveyor, Mr. John Hartley- 'and of hint he (Re. Stewart) (meld not speak too highly—(hear, hear) —to know the earliest moment at which he could be ready to give them the plans and specfi. tations of the works which it was necessary to pewee I with, and what were they toll ? Why that it weuld be utterly impossible for him to have them ready in this year (Hear, hear.) But, suppose that they got them in the month of De3emb3r, and that they then entered ins contracts for the execution of the work at the vary time that their authority was about to expire, would they not be open to repeehention, because that they hal improperly proceeded to pledge their suttees sore to the outlay of .600 000 or £600,000 or it might be of a millien of money ? (Hear, hear.) Might not their successors turn round upon then and say, " lust as I your authority was about to expire you put th's burthen upon us, and ple Iged us to an obligation I.vhich we can not fulfil ?'' (Hear, bear.) The Committee then asked the Surveyor if they could gat prepared sufficient plans to demonstrate what they wished to do. or if he could at once proceed with the work by erecting a portion of the outer wall, which would be serviceable under any elect - tat stances? What was his answer? That before he mild be ready with such plans, even though he prepared them in the shortest possible time, the winter would be on and no progress could be made with the works, subject as they would be to the influence of the tides. The days also would be shorter, and, in Eddilion to those considerations, there was also the fact that if ti* ey separated the week they weall have to pay a much larger amount of money for each division then if they carried on the work simaltaeeously. Thus was the matter ; and he would ask whe her it would be prudent or proper for the committee, under the circunastancee, to have done more than they did ? It appeared to him that they could not have done mere in the absence of do - ailed plans (Hear, hear.) They had nothing but surface plans before them, and it was imp iesible for them to proceed further. What were they doing? Any one who had been lately over at Birkenhead would have seen hundreds of men and hundreds of waggons and horses employed in excavating the pool, and that work was proceeding vary f.wourably : but in ord-r to expedite the matter, that committee hi,,d even passed a:res elution that Mr. Hartley should sos whe ther it was possib'e that they could begcn with the walling of the pool opposite that,portion of the land which was the property of the Corporation. It was found, however, that even there they could not proceed with the work utile]. Mr. Thompson had ficished his contract, and that even if they could, the land was not fit to receive the wall. Had they proceeded, they should have employed a new con tractor, and work which otherwise might be done for .E 6 000 , would cost £12,000. Besides which, if they had proceeded with many of the w,nks, there was such a com plication of acts of Parliament, that they might have been subjected to the remark, "You have proceeded to spend a great deal of money under very c enplicated acts of Per liaruent, on which a very grave question may arise how you are to be repaid; and you have pot per corporate seal to a contract, on the faith of your not having to care at all about it yourselves, but having to hand it over to us." He wished the Comic . ' to understand the difficulty in which they were placed. He wi-hed that the gentlemen finding fault with them understood the whole question, and did not merely take a superficial view of it, but would go a little farther, and look at the details and the difficul ties. (Hear, hear.) He, for one, was delighted to be relieved from the d fficulties. At the same time, he was most anxious that it should be conveyed to all parties, who were crying out that the Council wished to promote the North scheme at the expense of Birkenhead, that the Council had nothing at all to do but to carry out the Birkenhead acts of 1857, that they had used every exertion to do so, and acted in a way which he believed every reasonable mad weuld admit to be both consistent and prudent in the discharge of the duties which Parliament had imposed upon them, (Hear, hear, and applause ) Mr. Alderman S. lifotatE observed that the Act of Parliament received the royal assent on the 25th of Augast, 1857, but so anxious were the committee that there should be no time lost, that on the rpreced ing day, the 24th of August, the Town Clerk having reported that the bill had passed the House of Lords, the committee met and passed a resolution requesting Mr. Hartley to state the time in which the plans could be prepared. He would request the Town- Clerk to read that resolution, and the report which Mr. Hat tley furnished in consequence. The Tows CLERK read the following:— At a meeting of the Birkenhead Docks Committee, held on Monday, the 7th (lay of September, 1857 ; Present —John Stewart, Esq., chairman ; Read' the following report of Mr. J. B. Hartley, as to additional works at Birkenhead. THE CIIAIRMLN OF THE DOCK COMMITTEE. Sir,-1;n71 in recoipt of a reeolation, of your committee WATC t COM MIT • ZX. Mr. BRANCKICII proposed the followi• g gentlemen, as members of the Watch, Lightirg, a Al Fire Police Com mittee :—Meci-rs. Johnson, Anderson, Houghton Mahood, Grave?, W. P. Jefferys, Thomas Bold, Clint, ItoloineL Mann, Nicholson, L.vingstcne, Fisrnworth, Stitt, Steaks, Brancker, and Alexander Shand, in the room of Mr. Holden, who had expressed a wish to be allowed to retire. Mr. J. B. JRFFiIIY moved, B.s an amendment that the vacancy be filled up by placing Mr. Hodson on the Com *Nee, instead of Mr. land. Mr. HITCH= seconded the amendment. Mc, BRANCKER said he had no objection whatever to M. IMPRGVEHENT COMMITITZ. Mr. EARLE moved the Mowing resolution—" That the rapid progress and increase of tne town upon all sides render it expedient that the public anthoritiee should direct their early attenion to the best mode of improving - the approaches to th 3 town and the thoroughfares in the borough. Resolv-d, theref ire, that a c mmi.tee be 1..p -poluted to take the subject into their serious considera tion, not with the view of carrying any particular measure int ) immedive effect, bat in order to pave the way f)r 'some comprehensive and well-defined plan for wideeirg the thoroughfares, and for making other improvements which have become necessary, when the pecuniaty situa tion of the Corporate estate shall have been clearly weer tainel, so that some f,asible scheme may be suggested for raising the necessary funds for - carrying out such imp-ove ciente as may hereafter be decided up 'n." Mr. Earle explained that the functions of the former Improvement Committee having ceased, he thought it necessary to propose this motion, in order that the improvement of the town might be kept in s'ght. He hoped some of the land owners would assist them, nar , ieularly two noble lords—Lord Sefton and Lord Darby—who indeed had always been wiling to give them aid Another noble lord had &so come ameeg tnem by marriage—he (Mr Earle) wished he had never done so, but the least said upon that subject the better. (Laughter ) He (Mr. Earle) never had any idea that anything like a c nnprehensiva scheme of improvement, commensurate with the wants of the town and deserving he name of improvement, could be carried on at the expense of the Corporate Estate alone If they looked to the enormous c et of Parker save', and other improvements of a similar kina,they would see that it could nut be done. He thought that a very small improvement (gip driei foie ITit al, weal? entire theiri £o - tiia - ke -v-ery extensive improvements. That would also have the advantage, that jnries, in cases of c:aims for comp nsation, knowing that the amount was net to come out of the Cor poration Funds, but in soma mea7ure out of their own pockets, would not give the eno meus damages which were frequently ewarde 1. Me. Aldermen BENNET!' seconded the motion. Mr. Autut supported the motion, and called the atten tion of the Council to several improvements. He also stated that daring the lifetime cf the late Mr. R. V. Yates it wts the intention cf that gentleman to have secured the reversion of the Prince's Park to the pa pie of Liverpool, but he died too soon, and the la y of mor , tnaTn interfered. There ware some large meadows near the Park which were c-owded with people every evening. These meadows principally belonged to the Earl of Sefton, and he hoped the noble lord would not be indisposes to cooperate in p oviding for the people of Liverpool a park, or boulevard, there. After some farther conversittion, th 3 motion was carried The fallowing gentlemen we eap.?Ginted a commi tee:— Messes Ailcin, Bennett, BilJ, Glad-t)ne, Graves, S. Holm% J R. Jeffery, 311 , z1ey, Pie;on, Sheil, Steains, Stewa:•t, Bowring, Etrle, and the Mays. COURTS OF L INV AND ST. CtORGE'S II %Lt. Mr. J. H. TURNER moved the following committee : Mears. Stewart, lautchigon, Bramley-Moore, Picton, P3rker, S H ilme, Earle, 13..auckrr, and J IL Turner. Mr HODSJNchatmoved tat the name of Mr J, R. Jeffery b 3 aided to the cmynittee. Mr. Woman Fr ef con3ed the motion, which was Breed The committee was elected as named, with this addition MARKETS Cr)MMITTER. Mr. JoartilN mlv3l the follow:ng committee:--Messrs. Woolrnfl, Farnwor:h, W. P Jeffrdys, Beekvith, Chilton, Gladbtone, B.)wring (in the room of Mr. Banner), Cor ha ly (in the room of Mr. Bralley), Holden, Sheil, and Johnson. The motion wa agreed to. EDITC tTION COMMITTEE. Mr. ANDERSON, in m)ving the appointment of this cotnmittee, said he c mild not but exprers his own feeling of regret, and he believed he exp ersei the feeling of th: l whole committee, at tho loss of the services of the late chairman (Ntr. Banner) It war during the chairmanzhip of that geptletnan that the Corporation Schools were ra;sed to their present very efficient state, Ile proposed that the comuitteo consist of the following - gentlemen : M,.qsrs. Gardner, Wagstaff Beckwith, Graves, W. P Jeff:eys. Alexander Shand, Nicholson, RobA;tson, Living ston; Swains, Croslhwaite, Farl_worth, Kitchen, Clint, Ilatchison, and Anderson. The motion was agreed to. GAOL AND HOUSE OF C)REVCTION COMMITTEE. He. Alderman TURNER p oposed that the fallowing gentlemen • be the committee : —The Mayor, Messrs. J. Stew:►rt, Gladstone, Holme. Charles Turner, Anderson, Tobin, J. R. Jeffery, 'Holden, Godfrey, Parker, G. H. Tiorsfall R Houghton Vernon, and J. H Turner. The motion was carried. TOWS HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. On the motion of Mr. Alderman Holm; the following ginzlemen ware appointed the Committee —Tae Mayor, Me,ere. BraTley Moore. Preston, Littledale, Samuel J H Tamer, Tobin Stewart, Gladstone, Gardner, G H. Hor-fall, and, in the room of Mr. Hornby, Mr. Francis Shand. II rill,' Il COMMITTEE Mr. Alierman DOVE It nin , ed that the following gAntle men constitute tile Health Committee :---Ttlestrs. Sheil, Backwith, Bowring (in the room of Mr. Fleming), Glad stone, G dfrey Vernon (in the room of the Mayor), Hod son, Johnson, Barton (in the room of Mr I.l , .!Guffil,) CCO'- thwaite, Hutchison (in the room of Mr. Tinne), Crellin (in the room of Kr. A. C. Stewart), Haydock, Stitt, Hol den, Anti ony, and Dover. The motion was carried. GARDEN,' COMMITTEE. Mr. GATMN/R moved the following Committee —Messrs , Preston, Bent ett, Beckwith, Woodruff, Alexander Shand, Clint, Crosthwaite, Steaks, and Dover. The motion was carrie !. CHURCH FXPENDiTURE COMMITTX6 The f gentlemen were appoicted, on the motion of Mr. W. P. Jeffreys:—Messrs. A. Shand, Mann, Law rence, Kitchen, Stetins, Hutchison, Bowing, Mellor, arid Jtff eys. OBSICIVA2 AY COKMITTIBIL Under the operations of the Mersey Conservancy Act, the care of the Ob3ervatory will be handed over to the new Dock Trust, The functions of this committee are, there fore, at an end. WATtit COMUITTIII. Mr• Aldermen Cvornn moved that the Water Com. on the 24th of August last, to the effect "that the engi nee j a , , be requested to consider and report to what ext ent we „ beyond those now contracted for, can be advantegem.lel proceeded with previously to the Ist of Janu ar y neee n the new board comes into o ffi ce ; and whethe r any or, to so, what preparation can be now made for entering 111 further contracts." I have given the subjoct of the resolution much elloid: ration, and now beg to inErrn you. that from notbehie. in posseaion of aoy of the detailed drawings of the itu, prepare rised plans of 1853, and, as before I coul d prepare eye-; drawings as would be necessary, and take such o as would permit of this work being let by contract, the ne w In board woull have commenced its functions, and bearei: mind also that the clause in the act of last session, ree7rd ing to these works, supposes, front the use of tbe " substantially," that some modification o f the ple l ll es now designed, would be necessary, I think it well7f o s the wiser course not to enter into any contras ,8 works connected with the authorised plenathat the sil trammel the now board in their consideration eirised whole question. The only portion of the t no plan, so far as regards the outer works, and enPPc'3 ld 7 0 in u alteration of those plans contemplated, that I co a position to let by contract, previous to the lst ler° so would be the porton of the river wall opp south reserve ; this might be prepared and let so tha t th e work might be commenced upon by the beginn.igei, November ; but it must be remembered that little, i f rog progress could be made with a work of that nature n u t i o e the winter months, the commencement of the constrileregi of which would be proceeded with only at gon d Seer tides, and must depend entirely upon the weather ; 11 ; be do I think it would be wise, in point of econotnla.,, this work to a separate and distinct contractor, il l 7 e tiott as any contractor, who had no other work in o° ll .o site t° the therewith on which to employ his men during n es r t or such other periods when he could not proceed p t river wall, must, necessarily, have much higher pl . ) repay him for such great loss of time and delay. e l)°, With reference to the works inside the Great Ftel'eso walling upon the north side must be let by cobtri" : lett proceeded with as set forth upon the authorised ple ue , entertaining, as I do, a strong opinion, that in a n y - 001 caticn that may be made to Parliament during the _ ali e n 0 session, it would be a wise policy to seek for Po n th place the whole of the north margin of the Flee! , e " of proper width of land fer quays, and the formett, net road in connection therewith, in the hands of snot' board, so as to vest the whole of the manegemente c tegie ship, and power to levy rates on the Birkenhead r ose it one b sly, and being of opinion, that if this toe tei o ste would be advantageous to the general working of the 'v eer s& the line of the north wall was to some slight extent et w i so and a bridge communication f armed between the q ° a + /, - W l/ the north and south sides, I cannot therefore ei s fot that it would be well to enter now into any con tra eetio ll ' work that might have to be altered within a short rola or would in any way fetter the action of the nef a cto l which is in so short a time to take the man,r- these works.—l am, eir, yours respectfully, tr.g,Tol' JOHN B. ',— Liverpool, 2nd September, 1857. to the DA Resolved,—That this report be referre d Committee. [Extracted from the proceedings. C O Tow s'u ,3 At a meeting of the Birkenhead Dicks C01'111' 4 ° 8 '00" on Monday, the 24Th day of August, 1857; Pr John Stewart, E,q., Chairman &c., &s, 1•1 0 • 1 " The Town Clerk reports that the C onserv ancy 1 3111 '„do passed through all its stages in the House of i'°`" Friday last, and now on'y a gaits the Royal assent ..00 Resolved,—That the engineer be requested to ow and report to what extent work'', beyonl those 11 % pre; tract d for, can be advantageously proceeded wl'oosr: viously to the let January next, when the ne °l who . : comes into office ; and whether any, and, if so 'l a rtio b preparations can be now made for entering ink contraets. [Extracted from the proceedings ] al atet . Tows. 6 the Mr. Alderman S. }Touts continued : 139 t4 went for new plans, and it would be recollected thiono very plans were proposed—by whom? By n gel" the railway companies interested, and by the yeritipatt: men now twittina the Co peration with not coraele au el works. (Hoar, hear) It was considered that it ar a u ifo ol dasiroue to have acme plan fn. the outer works, wille!,,ode!, be most satisfactory to all parties, as it was tbe i edr i opinion, that if Mr. Rendell's plans were carrle'_, 4 0 0 , they were then shown up, they would not be such _ 3 7,06,1 be required fur the ca:nmerce of the port. At that' P, aa lobe ell d..putation attended the committee, and oar. - i j —who had published a letter in the lbiot dist Jayce e""ro plaiuing that the Corporation had not P oo dc a with the works—Mr. Laird hini'elt e ti a t elo assisted in dieettinz the plans best b ey inrlle-q, erect axpeess site ea nts approval of tn committee were willing to ge on with those Pit t lisi6 required. however, the sanction of an A c t of a ' a - a cilfr i ao and the committee, wader the sanc ion of the every poaible means to procure that authoritltio bills were read a sec nd time, and referred t° , s ame, mittee of which Sir James Graham was the chei r- iderT a to which ale, the Mersey Conservancy Bill was ace, Contrary to the remonstrances of the Corcor a n :l4 Parliamentary Co nmittee insisted upon taking t a n h at Conservancy Bill first. and after they had poet the chairman sta`ed that they would not pass t", i - T asn'yja head Bill, conferring powers of construction Or a theln da meat in the Corporation, but that they would in", the new Board. The C4rporation was, in e °315 0 0 0 ,41 compelled to withdraw the bills. With refel ° %c lo p plans of the outer wo:lts, Mr. Brunel and N r a ia fr" a were almost agreed upon those plans, and the ev ad e l a were willing to carry them out, but the diffe re b - acl t e lt conflicting interests of the railway companie g oattS, d " vented it. In conclusion, Mr. Holme regrettedAara7.l a feelieg should have been manifested inMarie l 'idenjoi such 1 -agaego used towards the Corporation, ea rl o no that the Corporation had, in the slightest degre e i b ieg t sar the works, bat, on the contrary, had done eveg l a o to' prudent men, actin g f or the public trust, coin''" l o; ward them (Hear, ear) a t flat Mr. PICTON said the explanations of Mr, Steeltorp,noi Mr Holme had b een ver y l uc id no d very satisteerot. if the nytter was allowed to rest there, very l a 0 0 4 would have been done. H's thought they Nvototer. ells the refutation of w h i t had b een s t a t e d in gen° 7 , o eg t aot elcowhere, ought a t l ea st t o be mad e as en": 00 ' of o f, charges to been. He thought, as the corpor et , l a blof great town, w h o h a d been the subject of o lc a l o odt misrepresentatioa, and, he might add, Nee! o°, o a would not be putting th e ms e l ves i n a r ight nos it , l ° o i they took the ea r li est p oss ibl e o pp or t un ity of o to ur, hto selves right with the public At that late h ° o be e el not mean to propos e what the course taken 5 11° ,,I r eetn u ost he would suggest that it b e an i ns • ruc ti on to the 'I , lele Docks Committee to give the refutation, 10 6 10 been made by the Cour cil, the utsaostate:iiir publicity, by going to the spot and maleng, n o f pt which would be un d ers t oo d by t h e nubi le . a le °lee chester, or by publishing it i n the period! si p; or day. The Council were on. their t r aag t 0 a a s 0 the public, and the object of all t`h a "deepi 4 „ ment was to put them in the wrong, to 0 ", ;e 0 th e do them inju y, and raise the interest of the plt r is Olt them at the expense of theirs. Anybody Inigaoriior* origin of the proceedings. There. had been 131 e; th e e ite ( s in by various commercial bodies in Liverpool i t a a ce! ew estate, stating that a large amout of addition /hO ot hel dation we; required ou this side of the water. the ce°` given the alarm to th ose w h o h a d i n t eres ts ail yife r ie fer side, and in orde r t o p rec l u d e th e raerchant a e ° e eerl de it o from havirg the accommodation they wa nteLe o ee vet was put into motion, and every misrepresentalotee e of in order to humbl e Liverpool, and to rais e ra s r ` r of upon her ruins. The to! ject was to force the t he P o or Liverpool from this side to the other bide of t that th° heir t-Ji No matter what the merchants might say, a th ter venience would not exist on the other side, 811 d., th e 4 1 1 business could only be conducted on til ig . a 3l far ee d oe .a t was, " You must go there —we 111 e areekt • there." The olject was to divert the . 1 % 0 tv, Liveepool from the channel in wil e it ', g ale existed and thriven for cen uries, and to tn 010(1 ° J00 0 opposite side. The Council had submitted to , 40 e. p oe they en" . ght' / misrepresentation long enough. They h ou dee publicity in a way in which he thought Veeell'oseee bat the time had now come when they ell° n an a OPea the hearing for a fair sta`ement of their W e a r , tend oh°, the misrepresentation. (Hear, hear.) ." - . r ia an la ir committee would take the matter up with e l o der lit the true state of the case. The Council Axe oble 6) 1 in $ ll ,ll debt of gratitude to the Mayor, for the mar/ which he came forward at Manchester — Pr he now hoped -the Birkenhead Comit t r they could fy possibility, to set the Council right public and the Government. (Hear, hear ) The subject then dropped S t •• GAS CaMMITTER • on th e m e et The following committee were appointe";irsite• of Mr. Kinnwf :—Messrs. Gladsto ne, Oros"' d lOW 0 % J. R. Jeffery, Wood ru ff, Mellor, Hay ek, an d To 0 COMMUTER roil ARRANGING A TESTIMONIAL g ef" OOP DROWN, Esia• ~inteu • byd go following committee WO 11 Pt — j e tTerY , Earle, Glad s t one , B en nett, Branek er, a d c i Aikin and Stewart. WO 00. Some Mayor's communications lostaflq ate d at referred to c onintittees, th.e Council ee P ar ,10 16 °S . BOYS' C___LOT___lgl ) ,,G MADE fi cmPANY'S. RIO" .•.:400 111 wl ra GREAT Ttrikeets:`" Ip VA Ty 14 1 , :ft 111'1 1i . I .);c1