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~> `i itt t_• .. VERY . EXTRAORDIN illikN ( ? 7- -- - ^ 4 4 4 :; -j?,'<" c- . :, ," . . ' - .. - f,- ,--1:::-.77 -.: ' A LLthe N L°Nl)°N.atid LIVERPOOALRY / 17E! SPAPERS c el .:,-.. ,‘. ' , • ' - , :1',..' ~ 4 -. A., may be had at HALF-PRIOE. - ' ' • ';..., -;.,-, ..- pply to E. GRIFFITHS, Stationer,.l4, Wa r:street. -.....--: ~ st\n \ _l 7 ' . 4 ....1: r.,.... s o .", • * . 6 0. V ., • STEAM-BOAT. ' riIFIE Commissioners appointed by Virtue of the Act 56 Geo. IL 3d, chap. 61, for improving the Port and Harbour of Wa terford, hereby give notice that they would receive proposals ,from Persons who may be willing to sell a STEAM-BOAT o 1• not less than 35-horse power, to be employe4 towing vessels in said Port, or to charter her for Twelve mouths. Each proposal to state the age and dimensions of the vessel, where she was built, the mechanical power of the engine, and the lowest amount for which she would be sold, delivered at Waterford, or Chartered for the period abovementiinied, the commissioners supplying the Steamer with coal as occasion should require. Communications addressed to the Secretary, and endorsed— , " Proposal to sell and charter a Steam Tug Boat," will be re plied to as soon as possible after THURSDAY, the 12th of next month, (March.) By Order of the Commissioners, ' GEO. BROWNRIGG, Secretary. Ballalt-Offire. IT'uterfin•d, February 17,1835. Contratto. ARMY CONTRACTS. Office of Ordnance, Pall Mall, 9th February, 1835. Ik s TOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN to all Persons desirous of 111 Contracting to Supply tbefollowing Articles for the Use of the Army ; the deliveries of which are to commence on and for the Ist day of April, 1835, and tecoatinue (subject to the usual conditions'ot the Cont ruts) until the following periods M EAT, 3Jth September, 1835. , OATS, e, , both days in h FORAGE, % 30th APril, 1835. Viz. : BEEF and MUTTON. Oxford, To his Majesty's Land Forces, Rutland, . • (the Folt Guards excepted,) Salop. in Cantonments, Qaarters, Somerset, and Barracks in the under- Stafford, mentioned Counties and Suffolk, islands:— Surrey, Bedford, Sussex, • Berks, (including the Town of Warwick, Hungerford,3 , • Westmoreland, Bucks, (including Colnbrook,) Wilts, Cambridge, (including the Worcester, Town of N i ewinarket,) York, Chester, Not I h and South Wales, Cornwall, (including Scilly,) In the several Counties inNorth Cumberland, Britain, Derby, And in the Islands of Aldegney . , Devon, . Guernsey, and Jersey. 1 Dorset, I OATS. Durham, (including 11..11y Island,) • Essex, (exclusive of Tilbury Fort,) Gloucester, ( including the City of. Bristol,) Hants, Hereford, Hertford, Hunts, Isle of Man, isle of Wight, Kent, (ineluding Tilbury Fort, in the County of Essex,) Lancaster, FORAGE, viz., Leicester, Oats, Hay, and Straw, to his Lincoln, Majesty's Cavalry and Ar- Middlesex, (the Household tillery Horses in 'Barracks, Cavalry excepted,) in the undermentioned Monmouth, Counties in South Britain. Norfolk, Dorset, Northampton, . I Middlesex, • Northumberland, (including Norfolk, Berwick-on-Tweed,) Suffolk, Nottingham, • ".‘ 'Marwick. That Proposals in Writing, addressed to the Secretary to the • Board, s e a l e d up an d marked on the outside "Tender for Army Supplies," will be received at the Ordnance Office, Pall Mall, on or before Tuesday, the tenth .day.of March next; but none will be received after Eleven o'clock on that day. . Proposals must be made separately for each County and Island, except for the counties comprising North and South Wales, all of which must be included in one Tender, likewise the Islands of Alderney, Guernsey, and Jersey, as also the several Counties in North Britain; and each Proposal must have the Letter which is annexed to the 'Fender properly filled up, by two persons of known property engaging to liecoine bound* with the Party tendering in the amount stated in the. , printed parti cu l ars , f or t h e d ue Performance of the Contract; and no Proposal will .be noticed. unless made on a printed Tender, and the prices expressed in words at length; and should it so happen that during the continuance of the Contract no Troops should be supplied by virtue of the same, the amount of the Stamps on the Contrast and Bond, paid in the first inetance by the Contractor, will be refunded to him. Persons who may make. Tenders, are particularly requested to observe that the Foot Guards are not in future to be supplied with Meat by the Contractor, neither are the Household Ca valry in the County of Middlesex, and the said persons are desiked not to make use of any. forms but those recently which may he had unun application at tiadiefice, between the hours of Ten and Four; and of the Barlack Masters in the Islands of Guernsey, Jersey, and Man. N.B. The practice of allowing Letters to and from Con tractors and their .Agents to pass f r e e o f P os t a ge, is di sc on- . tinued ; but the Official Correspondence between the Contractors and Regimental and other Officers will be forwarded as usual. The Board of Ordnance, and their Officers, will not however he responsible for any Letters, Money• o or Orders fur Money, which way be so forwarded. By order of the Board, H BYHAM, Secretary. To his Nlajesty's Cavalry and Artillery Horses in Canton ments and Quarters, in the undermentioned Counties. Derby, Dorset, gssex, aourester, Lincoln, Nlontnouth, Nort,lk, Northampton, Somerset, Suffolk, Wilts. In the matter of Edward Ledgard, XTOTICE is HEREBY GIVEN , th at t h e a t o f bank :\ ruptey la•?ly awarded and issued ii , !•• . 1 'EDWARD LEDGA It D, of Airfield, i n th e coun ty o f% .k, seed-crusher and oil-merchant, dealer and chapman, trading under the firm of " Daniel Ledgard and Sun," is, by an order of his Majesty's court of review in bankruptcy, bearing date the 7th day of February, 1835, annu.led and superseded. . JACOMB and 11,1 ,, IDALE, Solicitors. Hudderffield, Feb: 18, 1835. -' E creditors who have proved their debts under a fiat in bankruptcy awarded and issued forth against THOMAS PYKE, of Liverpool, in the county of Lancaster, corn-mer chant, de a l er an d c h apwan, are requested to meet ie assignees of the estate and effects of the said bankrupt; on WI:DISKS ua V, the 25th of February instant, at Twelve of the o'clock a bo o n, at the Offi ce o f Mr. Leather, Solicitor, Clarendon-buil ge, in Liverpool, aforesaid, in order to assent to or dissent rent the said assignees selling or disposing of the said bank pt's stock in trade, either altogether or io luts, and• either by hlic sale or private contract, and either for cash or upon cre ,or in such other manner as may seem advisable; and also assent to or dissent front the said assignees selling and wising of the bankrupt's interest in certain freehold, cops bol , and ,leasehold property, situate i n E ver t ou , or e l sewhere, i n the said county of Lancaster, together or in parcels, either !,iy pubic auction or private connect, at such price or prices, and at such time or times, and in such - other manner as they may think advanta gemis and proper, and to buy in such interest in the sail free hold, cOpy hold, and leasehold property. or any part or parts there of, at such price or prices as they may thiuk proper, and to put up the same again for sale, with the like power, from time to time, and to grant such time for payment of the purchase money o f the said property, o r an y p ar t't hereof, as they the said assignees may think expedient; and also to assent to or dissent from the said assignees selling and disposing of the bankrupt's interest in the residue of the property under the wi:l of the bankrupt's father, John Pyke, deceased, or dispose of such interest in any manner as the said assignees may think tit and advisable for the benefit of the estate of the•said.bankrupt; also to assent to or dissent front the assignees selling and disposing of the book and other debts of the said bankrupt, altogether or in lots, and either by public auction or private contract, tis they may think proper; also to assent to or disseut from the said assignees em ploying an accountant or other person to investigate, arrange, and manage the books and accounts of the said 'bankrupt, and Ut coliect, get in, and receive the outstanding debts due to the said bankrupt, and to make such accouutaut or other person • such allowance or compensation for his or their services as the said assignees shall think fit and proper; also to assent to or dissont from the said assignees paying out of the said bankrupt's estate certain expenses incurred by the creditors in and about a certain deed of inspection and other charges conseeuent thereon, and in investigating the affairs of the said bankrupt prior to the issuing of the said eat; and also to assent to or disseut from the said assignees connuenciug .prosecuting, or defending any acti on a t l aw or su i t i n equity, 'for the recovery or preservation of any part of the said bankrupt's freehold, copyhold, and leasehold estates and etlncts, nr fir the recovery of ail or any partssf the beneficial interest which the said batik . rtipt is entitled to under the will of his father, the said John .Pyke, deceased, or in arty other manner whatsoever, or to sub mit any question or matter connected with the said bankrupt's estate to arbitration; and also to assent to or dissent from the said assignees compounding with any debtor or debtors to the estate of the said bankrupt, and taking any part of the debt or debts, or such other payment or satisfaction in discharge of the whole, or to their giving lime or taking security for the pa)- mem of any such debt or debts; .or submitting any dispute to arbitration, or Mimi wise agreeing to an y matter or thing relatin g thereto; andi also to sanction and confirm ea &tad whatsoever the amid assignees, or the provisional assignee, have already done in touching the said bankrupt's estate; and geuerally to auth or i se the said assignees to take such measures in the management and settlement of the affairs, concerns, estate, and effects of the said bankrupt as they the said assignees shad from time con "k"edsunable, just. and beneficial for the creditors of the said bankrupt; and en other special affairs. I . ,I 1 'I ASSESSED TAXES.—COMPOS O N. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIV IA and sth Win. IV, cap. 51, all persons ssessed for their EN, that by • Act of the 4th Taxes for the present Year, or who shall li e began to keep any Articles liable to be assessed, Or - any additional number thereof in the year ending 5111 April, IE.G.' may Compound for the same under the provisions of the sal( Art, for the Term of Five Years, to commence from the salt sth of Apr il, 1835, on paythent of an additional Duty of 5 i cent.; and all persons who have COMl,oll,lded, many renew t r former Compositions fur the like Term, to commence fro the same period, on the following conditions (that is to say) on payment of an additional Ditty of 5 per cent., if such persons have not increased their Establishments upon which their Compositions were made, tu ' rich an extent that the Duties chargeable thereon under an AssesSment would exceed by more than one-fourth the total amount of the sum now payable; and on payment of an ad ditional Duty of 10 per cent. if such persons shall have in crease] their Establishment, so that the Duties chargeable thereon wou:d not exc ee d d ou b le the Sum payable under their former. Contracts. And . in case such Persons shall have in creased their Establishments su that the Duties chargeable thereon would amount to more than double the sum, then their Contracts cannot be renewed, but they may compound de novo, On the Brea ; est number of Articles for which they shall be as sessed for !he Year, to commence from the stii of April, 15.5, on payment of the. ad litional Duty of 5 per cent; and all such Persons SO compounding or renewing their Compositions as aforesaid, shall be freed from all further Charges during the said Term. All Persons desirous to compound or renew their Composi tion, must give notice of their intention in that respe ct o n or 140 re the sth April, 1815, otherwise they will he excluded the I.onefit of the Act of Parliament, apd they may receive the proper Forms on app!ication to the Asses,sors of Td.xes in the Parishes in whim such persons may reside. Stamps and I'4 'Ns. By Order of the Board, Frbruary 15th, 1835. PRESSLY, Secretary, Empatai Vartiament. HOUSE OF LORDS, THcitsnay, FEB: 19. At half-past one the (lour* of the house were opined, and B. a , few noble lords attended in the body of the house. The gal lery was nearly empty throughout the proceedings. At two the Lord Chancellor entered the house and took his seat upan tat woolsack. About thirty-six peers were present, with four of the Irish bishops, together with the Archbishop of Canterbury and the Bishop of Hereford. The Lori Chancellor then proceeded to a crimson bench between the throne and the woolsack, with the Archbishop of Canterbury, .in fall canonicals on his. right. Tathe right of his grace wls Lord Wharucliffe, and on the left or the Lord .Chancellor vNre the Earls of Rosslyn and Jersey. The lay commissioners were in their peers' robes. • •The Lord CHANCELLOR then rose and addressed the house, and said that his Majesty not thinking fit to'be present at the opening of the present parliament had caused letters patent to be passed under the great seat, entrusting the lords commis sioners now present, and several other lords therein mentioned, to attend the oppening of parliament, and for that. purpose to do alt things necessary in his name, as would appear more fully by the letters patent, which would be read to the house. The clerk then real at the table the letters patent appointing certain lords, or any three or more of them, to open the present parliament iu his ilajesty's name. The letters patent being read, The Lord CHANCELLOR then addressed the house, together with about thirty of the members of the commons who were pre sent below the bar. His lordship said that he had it in com mand from his Majesty to declare to them that as soon as the parliament had been duly opened, according to the letters patent, his Majesty would declare to them in person the cause of his calling the parliament tokrether. It was however neces sary that a speaker of the House of Commons should be first chosen, and his Aialtisty hoped that the gentlemen of the House of Commons woald retire to the place where they were to act, and there proceed to choose some proper person, add to present such person to-morrow in that house, in order Mat his Majesty might 'express his approbation of the person elected. The common's then bowed and withdrew. Prayers Were then real by the Bishop of Hereford. • The Lord Chancellor then beft the commissioners' bench, and took the oaths et the table. The clerk then read the roll, or return, of the peers of Scot land nominated to be lordi . .presentatiVes in the present par tiatnetit. The oaths were then administered at the table to the lay peers pr sent, commencing; With the Duke of Cumberland. The bkhops present then took the oaths and retired to their bench. At three o'clock the htiuse adjourned to the following day. ROUSE OF COMMONS, THURSDAY, FEB. 19. At an early hour all the avenues, leading to, the Houses of Lords and Commons were crow d e d with persons anxious to witness the ceremony of the opening of parliament. At 12 o'clock• the doors of the House of Commons were thrown open, and in a few minutes the body of the house, and the galleries, were filled with members. '1 he house preseuted a scene of the greatest animation and excitement from this period up to two o'clock; groups of members were collected in every quarter discussing the important subject which had occasioned the un usually large assemblage of members at the opening of a session. Mr. Alderman Wood, the senior city member, appeared in his robes of office, - and on taking his seat to' the right of the chair, was loudly cheered. At a few minutes past two, Sir Augustus Clifford, Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod, entered the house, and proceeded to the table. The members immediately rose and uncovered, and the house was then summoned, in the usual form, to hear his Majesty's commission read in the House of Lords. The clerks and several members, among whom we observed Sir It. Peel, then left the house, and - returned in about five minutes. The clerks having resumed their seats at the table, Lord F. EinttToN rose and said—his Majesty having pointed out to them their preliminary duty, he now rose for the purpose of making a motion, which, if it it met, as he confidently trusted it would, the approbation of a majority of that house, would carry his Majesty's pleasure into effect, and would do so, as he (Lord F.) conceives, in a manner best calculated to secure and promote all those great interests which could be in any manner affected.b7 the object .J* the present discussion. (Hear, hear.) At no period in the history of the country, under any circum stances, pabli.: or otherwise, would the importance of selecting a person to fill the chair require so much grave consideration. Os every occasion, a question like the present was one of seri ous responsibility, but in the present circumstances of the coun try, when they were alt aware that teal house was about to enter on a field of discussion of vital importance to every interest of the state, he felt that they should look, narrowly and closely, to the qualifications of the individual to whom they were accus tomed to look for guidance ant advice—(hear)—tor the main tenance of their high privileges and constitutional indepen dences-for the due control over the fervor and excitement of discussion, and for the wise exercise of that influence, which they were wont to - concede to the individual whom they would call to the chair, and which, with its attendant honours and emoluments, was no more than an adequate compensation for the , toiland sacrifice of time of the individual who competently filled it. (Hears) In addition to that mass of circumstances which 'at any time must make the qualifications of the indivi dual matter of such. interest and importance, he cool I not but remind the house that a great pub:ic calamity had added great weight to the ordinary qualifications for that station—qualifica tions more difficult to be found than talent or temper—more rare than patience—and less frequently to be met with than candour or education. In these instances there was but one 'individual whom he could point out as experienced in that particular office.— And he need scarcely add, that it was the object of his motion, therethre, to place that individual in the chair, and he must say that if - any circumstances existed which would deprive the house'of the opportunity of securing the services of that indi vidual, he could scarcely conceive a more legitimate subject of regret, than that any circumstances should exist which would prevent their avallis a themselves of the talent s tried ability, and. experience of one who was competent, above all others, to carry into their new locality the usages, the laws of common conve uiense,•and the salutary traditietis of that house, and when he looked to the lamentable hialux in documents and records which that catastrophe had occasioned, the house could not but acknowledge the acquaintance of that individual on whom they founded their best hopes of reparation. I confess that with such feelings I grudge him that ease and that retirement which so ,many years of public service have so well entitled hint to de mand. I could almost grudge him those very favours of the crown and those honours which he might receive elsewhere, but which are incompetent with the situation I propose he should fill. I feel, after what I have said, that it is little more than a matter of form that I should speak the name of Sir Charles Manners Sutton. (Great cheering on the ministerial side or the house, but perfect silence ou that of the opposition.) That individual, who I believe for a period of upwards of eighteen years has fill's:if the chair, in a manner which I believe seven successive and unanimous votes of the House of Commons, and this invitation to re-assume the chair, prove the house's appre ciation of his discharge of his duties. (Cheers.) It would be idle in me, as well as painful to my right hon. friend, were I to attempt to describe, after a fashion of my own, the grounds of itist•eulogy and - approbation of which upon a reecnt occasion, he was the object, more particularly when there are many here present much inure competent to impress their opinions of his merits upon this assembly. But public attention haS been al ready called to this subject, and with peculiar force and justice, in the speechss of noble lords and honourable gentlemen upon a recent occasion, expressing their high approbation of my right Iron. frien.l and which is the inure fore ible as emanating from individuals who are, I believe, opposed to him on political grounds. I lay, and I think I am right, snore stress upon this_ circumstance, because I feel that he who relies upon the support • of a party might possibly receive the opposition of those whose political sentiments agreed with his own, and I belieVe that ,• from such casu a l c i rcurnstances au i ndividual might be elected,not because he was the most competent to discharge his duties at the time, but because he was supported by the good will and par tiality of those who, perhaps unconsciously to themselves, might trona party motives be induced to sup-port him. This is not the nature of the tit.e of my Right Han. Friend, but I can adduce arguments in his favour far superior to any I can use. I hope I shall have the permission of the house extended to me while I call its attention to some extracts from the debates which took place upon time occasion of the lest election of my right hon. friend to 611 the chair, debates which do honour to the candour , and intelligence,- and undoubtedly to the sentiments of many honourable geutlemen on the other side of si t e house. I will first refer to the speech of my noble friend and relative (tire member for the West. Riding of Yorkshire) who expressed the highest•opin ion of my right himourable friend as one who had most faithfully discharged his duties, and was most competent to perfirimm them—as one who had dignity without pride, urba nity without servility, and as one whose sentiments were ex hibited in :he whole line of his offieial conduct. 'file proposi tion.which I have to make to the house is that it will appropriate its especial and highest services to that individual who has great experience iu all those valuable attainments so essentially tie= cessary.for the fulfilling of the high office. That gentleman was followed by the hon, baronet, the member for Westmins ter, who after supporting, asked the question, which some hon. members present may thiok might he answered now, but which found no response at that home—the question of Qua ritupera vit ?—(Great cheering.) The question was then found to be without a response; and it may even now be difficult to an swer; fir I cannot but think that .every bon. member in the house has too much good sense to appeal to it by vituperation. leanoot believe that I shall hear teat seecies ssf vituperation here. - I think the Only question will rather be—Quis dttris e.yt.—(Cheers.) The hon. and learned member for Dublin; in Opposing the claim to place my right hon.striend in the chair, in giving his resistance to that motion, cannot be cltirgett with inconsistency fur that; but he concurred with those who had preceded him in the great personal qualities or that tight hon, gentleman' to fill so important a n o ffi ce. I h ave a right, I think, tetvesssiderahe opinion of that learned mem ber, aisle the fitness of Sir Charles Manners Sutton, as an ex tremeh strong one. If the allusions I have made to the expres sions that were used by hon. members at the last ejection of Speaker contained anything invidious in their nature or up lineation, 1 sh o uld at once, stop from continuing' my (potation s . farther proof of the eminent qualities of Sir Charles Man ners Simon, there is the speech of an eminent and distinguished individual, who has been taken from this house by a domestic fondly calamity—( Hear, hear, hear)—the late Chancellor of the gxehequer, who stated that he thought the house could not but admit that Sir Charles Manners Sutton's qualifications pre eminently entitled him to fill the high office of Speaker, and that there was no person in the house who was so capable of tiding it.—(Cheers.) Those are not the testimonies of private frienu ship or paitia'ity, nor time consequences of any undue deference on the Rat of my right hon. ft mend to any party or section of party in the house or in the couutrv, but they are the testimo nies not only of private friends, but of hououratne adversai its. Theyeare what I ma y call the verdict of a jury upon his abili,ies. From this great occasion or the tned:ing of the house, it becomes us to appro.:ti t the election of a speaker with calm deliberation, and seleetnue who, on account of his tried ability and expei ience, is most adapted to conduct the business of the house with that judgment and discretion with which it has been ( Hear, hear.) I do regret that it has become imperative ou me to address you on this yiestion, or that it should not meet with that unanimity-which think it so well deserves. Ido reeo et, fox my own part, that these circumstances should be likely to place us in oiiposition to mammy hon. gentletti^n with whom I have been on terms of the greatest intimacy. and whom I know, esteem, anti regard sit much not as I conceive on one of those . questions of groat political interest, or of great political discus sion. but one ou which, I lament to think, that their energies should le lavished and abused, and that it may thereby tend to the collision of parties for whom I entertain marked feelings .of friendship and respect. (Hear, heal.) At the same time, 1 do not think, that I shall have to hear au)* of those motions which imply opposition against the motion which I have time honour to submit to the house, founded on any of these charges of notori ous absurdity which have remit' their way into circulation in other quarters, and which, for the last few dams, have been be fore the attention of the public. Ido not think that I shall meet with any of those absurd calumnies which have found their way into notice from publications such as time " ri or of Fashion," and sonic others which I do n , it feel myself called upon to nacre—some of those publications, which gaiu their mysterious infcrinaiims by tracking out scenes of private life, and reducing them to these purposes which they understand so well. I do not think that I shall have to emit radict any of th4;se unfounded imputatians s or that the opposition which will be raised against my right honourable friend will plac e its claims on such THE LIVERPOOL STANDA a source, but on the contrary that the opposition is to be rested . on a great public principle. (Tremendous cheering from the opeositiou benches.) I shall content myself by resting his claims on the goad sense of the house, and on th e known inte grity, talent, and 'courtesy With which he has tainducted its business hitherto. The noble lord whom I believe I may salute as the intended leader of this house-onm' cheers from the opposition) whether self-elected(reiterated cheers from the ministerial henches)—or whether eulisted under the banuerts of the opposition—amid the clash of weapons, and party strife, I do not know; but it appears he is to be the champion of the party over whom one shout alone predominates, decidedly the shout of a populace,• which as vet has been so obscured, that I am left to conjecture abuut its origin ; but which has been promu!gatedon the hustings to admiring constituents —the principle of condemnation 'without trial.— .(Cheers - from the ministerial benches,- re-echoed by the opposi tion.) If this be the principle which is to flash cunytctiou on the doubting, to fix the waverer, and to reinstate the phalanx which by •vatious accidents has been somewhat disbanded, I trust those hon. gentlemen who support that principle will be able to speak to this house, and to carry that principle into effect without violation of their own consistency, and within the spirit of the principle which on the last occasion they raised very eloquent voices to combat and repudiate; namely, to re pudiate political considerations, and the estimation of political opinions on the individual who was to be called to the, chair; but to set aside ad other considerations of talent,, fitness, abi lity, experience, and even of what may be new to the ear of some gentletnen, considerations of public utility. Before I con clude the observation I have taken the liberty of addressing to the house upon the mo ion which I have to make, I beg to express my confidence that I have avoided any expression which may appear to be clothed with disrespect to any gentleman who has been named by public report as a candidate for the office. With regard to the hou. gentleman who is likely, as we under stand, to to be proposed to this house as speaker, certainly, what ever may be the opinion entertained by this house, or by his friends, he is, at leasts so far superior to me in every respect, and commands the deference of this house in such a -manner, that it would very ill become me ever to queStion his fitness for that office in any one particular; and I beg to express to him that honest feeling of respect and deference which I will not say he himself might expect, but the nicest sensibility of his friends may consider to be due. l should have been more content, however, if a task so honourable and .so completely consonant with my feelings, that of proposing my right hon. friend for the chair,. had faller) into worthier, and into hands perhaps more ex empt from the suspiciow of . private partiality. I have s the sa tisfaction, h owever , of knowmglhat my execution of this duty, however imperfect, or however unsatisfactory it may have heen to myself, will not lie unsatisfactory to a large majority-of a greataamstitueticy that has Sent me here:. ( Hear,' hear:) At all events, I am satisfied that if the occasion ever arrive, on Which I shall have to answer at the bar of offended Public opi nion for any errors in judgment or feeling, or any incapacity, I trust that this will be the first occasion and the last on which those who blame me will fix. ( Hear, hear.) I beg to conclude with moving that the Right Honourable Sir Charles Manners Sutton du take the chair. (Loud cheers.) • - Sir CHARLES BURRELL then rose and said—l do riot hesi tate to offer myseifas the seconder of the motion which has been proposed; but I should hesitate to detain the house with a lengthened speech, after the very eloquent one of the n o bl e lord,. Though differing, In some respects, with the right hon. gentleman whom he has proposed, I beg to express my convic tion of his superiority over every other member of this house to become its chairman, without meaning to disparage any one, or that other right hon. gentleman, for whom I entertain the highest respect. What lam about to do I do from firm per suasion. 1 had the honour to second his nomination in the year 1817, and from that time until the present I have noticed Ins candour, his efficiency, and his impartiality. (Hear s ) With these feelings I should do injustice to him, and to my own cha racter, it' 1 satisfied myself with giving a silent vote on this oc casion. (Hear, hear.) The house, then, will be justified in supporting this motion, as it was justified in electing' him be fore, by the attention, ability, and efUciency which the right hon. gentleman has displayed. Under su c h c i rcumstances, I trust the house will reflect - before they decide, and the noble lord has rightly observed, that we are assembled unJer very pe culiar circumstances. •But under any circumstances, we want a man Whose knowledge and talent will assist us in the business of the house, and no man can be inure fitted fur the chair, and to expedite the business than one who has had so mueh.practice, and before whom no gentleman, however excellent his charac ter, or however fair his pretensions, can on that account be pre ferred. I therefore most cordially assent to the- inn' on of 'the noble lord, and will not detain the house longer, febiing that anything I could add would be superfluous. Mr. DENISON then rose.—He said, I eau assure the house that it is with great reluctance I rise to trespass upon its atten tion, and nothing but an imperious sense of duty could induce me to come forward at the present important crisis—at a period in which the public mind is so much excited, and when the eyes, not only of tins country and of Europe, but of the whole civilized world, are directed to our proceedings. In a great p sr t o f what has fallen from the noble lord, (Egerten,) %%hose appearance in this house I am h appy t o observe, I fully concur, nor do I object to much that has been expressed by the hon. baronet who seconded the motion, in all they have stated re specting the qualities of the right hon. gentleman, the member for Cambridge, respecting all the virtues of his private charac ter, and respecting the dignified manner in which be demeaned himself while in the chair of this house. (Hear, hear, and Cheers.) But this is not a question of personal characteT—it is one iu which a great public principle is involved—(checsrs, and laughter from the ministerial side,)—and however the noble ford may sneer at public! principl e I trust the house w ill not despise it. (Hear, h ear. ) The noble lord has thrown more asperity into the debate than, iu my opinion, is required ;' and although he has leaped his light courser beyond' bound, I will not now imitate his example. It is, I repeat; on the assertion of a great public principle that I rise to trespass on the attention of the house, called upon, as it now is, to decide upmm a question in which the interests of thousands are involved. His Majesty, in the exercise of his undoubted right; dissolved `the .himitismatliumeut; t#ie pe , le responded to the call, Awl have_ returned a majority of rireselitatives steadily .attachelr CO the great principles of the reform bill. (Cheers.) 'With all respect for the talents and character' Of the right hon. the tnetnbar for the University of Cambridge, I think it incumbent instills house that a gentleman be' placed in the chair, the highest situation to which any commoner can aspire—the representative of the greatest assemblage in the universe should be assimilated in principle to th e ma j or i ty of the members over whom he presides, NVe must, in deciding . this question, take into consideration the measures which the right hon. baronet at the head of his Ma jesty's government proposes to bring before the house. In the dis cussion of corporation reform—the bill for the relief of the dissenters—the motion of the hon. member for St. Alban's; and of that crying of all grievances, the state of the Irish church— in the discussion as to the dismissal of the Melbourne adrainis tration. unheard and without a trial—withis it that trial which the right hon. baronet and his friends around' him are so sedu lous in demanding, forgetting the principle of " do as you wish to he done by"---in the debate which must take place on the nurecedentedassumption of the reins of government, for three weeks, by one individ ua l, w h o h owever h i gh i n stat i on or re nownd for his military achievements abroad, should have been deterred from such a hazardous undertaking—in all these dis cussions it will be incumbent on the house to have a gentleman in the chair, who, acting with impartiality and dienity, will agree with the majority of the house. But a tune may arrive when a difference of opi n i on w ith t h e ot h er h ouse may ta k e p l ace. I n such an emergency it would be requisite to have a gentleman in the chair whose sentiments will be perfectly identified with the principles of the reform bill. In rising to propose the right houourable the member for Edinburgh, as he is at present, I cannot say all I think respectin g hi m , b ut this I must say, that there is no gentleman, in Inv opinion, of all those whom I have the honour to see around me, more qualified than be is to fill the chair, whether I regard the uniform consistency of his po litical character—his amiable manners—his long parliamentary experience, or his profound legal knowledge, combining, as he does, a good temper with a clear head, as evinced in many long and trying debates, professing, too, the great principles'of th e reform bill—with su c h o pi n i ons I flatter myself that all the gen tlemen that I have no* the honour to address who supported the reform bill, or who on the hustings avowed themselves sup. porters of it, nut only in fetter, but in spirit, I hope that all such will support the motion with which I shall conclude, viz., to put, as t said before, into the first station to which a commoner can aspire, the representative of the greatest assembly in the universe, time Right Him. James Ahercromby. (The right hon. 'gentleman sat down anmitistfotel cheering-) 111 r. On DE then rose to second the nominat i on which bacllieen made. Ile sa id, it r s with great reluctance that I now trespass upon the time of the house, but I trust that the occasion witl be my apology. (Cheers.) I feel a deeper degree of regret when I have to oppose the election of a gentleman whose public ser vices I mus t ac k now l e d ge . (Cheering.) lam as willing; as any one to acknowledge those service s , but I think that this is an occasion when private ce,inion must give way to public duty. The choice of a, Speaker is not a mere local question, -as the , noble lord has said. The question is one looked et bs al! per sons, not only of this country but of others—it is not 'looked at as a (pestle', of a personal nature, but very justly as a proof of what the parliament really is. (Cheers.) The question most frequently asked-is, if the right lien. gentleman was fitted to fill the situation of Speaker in the last parliament, why is he not now—what has rendered him unfit to preside over the present one? Into those questions I will not follow the noble lord— they have been disposed of by my hon.- friend who has proposed the amendment. (Cheers.) The" only answer lean give Nethat is, that the times. have changed (cheers); the times and eiTeurn stances, have totally changed since the election o f th e 5i 4 , 4 1 1 5 - h on , gentleman. It was generally understood then that the right hon. gentleman had retired ; he had his retiring pension fixed —(cheers)—so that there can be no parallel drawn between the present circumstances and those which actuated the members of the last parliament. Then the question was not a test of po litical parties, as it is nos. (Great cheering.) The whole coun try now looks at the present question as one which will decide the question to whi c h th e i r w h o l e at t ent i on is directed. His Majesty, who was advised to appeal to the sense of the people and the country, wi:l he very much dissatisfied if the reply to that appeal should be—the vesy first vide of this house. is to place in the chair one whose opinions are not in accordance • with the opinions of the great majority of the hhuse. lam ob liged to oppose the election oft he late Sneaker on these grutinds —he would not be the • representative of the house —would nut lie the real organ of the huuse. My hon. friend, whose nomina tion I sin about to second, has this qualification, that he will be triumph, t l ( l ,f is a election party, twi ll m in reality th e organ of the house, his opini ons b e i ng iu accord ance with those of the majority of the house . be recei ve d y the country as the triumph, 1 t of a great public principle. (Great cheering.) Such are the grounds upon which I support the nomination of the right hon. member for Edinburgh to till the chair of this house. It is with great pleasure that I second the nomination of the Right thin. James Abercromby to the 'chair of this house, (Great cheering.) Sir C. SuTToN then rise. He said he was aware that he owed au apology—an excuse to the house, for intruding him self upon them. Ile was so circumstanced Iha,i the house, alter heaiiug what he had to say, must form their own judgment. Ile would not, for he could not, say one word in disparage ment, of the right bun. gentietnan, the member f or th e c i ty o f . Edinburgh. I.le had waited writhing order all the charges that hid been heaped upon him, knowing that the peeper place to give an answer to the charges was the their of' that house, and he trusted the house would hear him,- for he would that I a ,i s ted t h N e , t ) . a , ttir ) ,,,r l ; • Ir e ue n le t t speak without asperity. ( Hear.) The charge against me in the a certain extent, the abstract is; that, being a speaker, 1 busied myself in other matters ; •I rv, and counselled and advised th these e ,11)iasis.toilcuutii:Itilyoaffft,lie.tilliligt.eitgaos virnment. (hear, hear.) points a t i ff ie 'e e s t p i e n a g k T r y , p r public h e o h u i , , s r e a , c ter, he in debted to the existing geverninent, and would, therefore, be guilty of leuding a band to the ektinction of that body is hich had given him the proud pre-eminence lie filled. Now there is n to ot ea o t n i e i °wllmco:da'inmfdttroutehverritYmmulbeesttiti.ituhrusge;:m4edurigde.; r e p ly,(Lett all, ust cheers.) Sir, with respect to my having been mixed up with other inaf ters, allow the to explain that as soon after the prorogation of the last parliament as the remaining public bUsitiess which re mained to be disposed of would allow me, I went int) the count' y with my family; and it will be remembered that at that time his Majesty was also at Brighton. But I remained there without any communicatieu, directly or indirectly, with any member of the government until 1 was called to London, by ex press, upon the occasion of the lamentable fire which happened. ([leer.) I came to London as quickly as -pussible, and, after • • . witnessing the devastation Which had oc c urr e d, it was suggest ed to me, and I instantly adopted the suggestion, that it was my duty to acquaint his elajesty of it. With the permission of the house, 1 will stale e'esso terms in which 1 wrote to the '• Ihe Speaker feels it his dutEto acquaint his Majesty, that, having heard at Brighton early this morning that the two Houses of Parliament e and the house in which, by his gracious Majesty's perinisSion, he lived, were on fire, he lost no time in coming up to London, and the Speaker regrets to state that both .Houses of Parliament are entirely destroyed, nothing being left standing hut the walls. A portion of the Speaker's house is also consumed, and the domestic part entirely de stroyed. Some of the public offices have also suffered the same fate, and others have been much damaged, but most of the pub lic papers therein deposited have been saved. The Speaker regrets to add, that Westminster Hall was also in imminent danger, and was injured in several parts. The Speaker trusts his Majesty will pardon the liberty he has taken in forwarding this communicati o n." Sir, having written this letter, I carried it myself to the Se cretary of Stee for the Home Department. I - sate the Under Secretary. file Principal, Secretary being at that time out of town, 1 told hiin I bad written this letter to his Majesty, sod requested him to send it by a special messenger to the Kluges and to acquaint Lord Melbourne with the object of my visit. In the course of that evening I received a lett er i n f orming me that his Majesty h a d arrived in town, and desired my attend- anee at St. James's Palace. At two o'clock I reeeived another letter desiring to see me before the morning. I also receit ed a letter stating that his Majesty had received my report, and enclosing another letter, in which his Majesty made some sug gestions as to the nrode of accommodating the parliament. I went and saw Lord Melbourne, and told him I had received an answer to my letter, and informed him of the contents; and I also particularly requested him to observe the object I had in view. I had received a letter from Lurd Melbourne requesiing to see me. I never missed a .single day's attendance, and I was a party teethe report emanating from the Privy Council, relative to the destruction of the two houses. At the next meeting I attended I inquired if his Majesty had any com mands for use, and was informed that his Majesty had not ex pressed anything of the kind. On the day following I received a letter from sir H. Taylor, stating that his Majesty had coin tnanded me to go down to Windsor, and be there at five o'clock, I had a mug au4enee of his Majesty, and at its con clusion I requested his Majesty's permission to communicate to Lord Melbourne everythiteg.that had occurred. - I dud not request permission to state it to this house, and therefore I do not feel myself at liberty to do so. (Hear, hear.) But I refer to Lord Melbourne, to the Right Hots. Gent. himself, and to the noble lord who presided over the Woods and Forests, for the ,e.ruth of this statement. I returned on Saturday from Wind ',Sot., and his majesty proceeded to Brighton. When I returned to London, I showed to the right hon. gentleman that I had his majesty's commands to wait upon him, and to snake a sur vey of the ruins and gardens of the late Houses; and the right hon. gentleman will recollect that 1 went over the Houses and gardens, and the report was then drawn up. But before that report was forward e d by me t o hi s ma j esty, I su b m i tted it to Lord Melbourne and to the right hon, gentleman, and then I dispatched it. Subsequent to that the late ministry was dis_ solved, and I now declare that 1 had no anticipation that such au event was near at hand, and that the first intimation I re ceived of it was ass article which I read in tee morning papers. (Cries of " Hear, hear.") The next charge which I h ave seen brought again s t use was , th at I h a d busied myself in the forma tion of a new administration, and the only overt act which is alleged against use, is that I attended the Privy Council meet ings. I did attend them, and the first was on the Monday fol lowing the resignation of the late :ninistry. I attended his ma jesty et St. James's, and there I saw many members of the late government. They had audiences of his majesty—so had I (Hear, hear,) and a message was also delivered, that all those who were Privy Councillors should come into the inner room, and sit at the Council Board. These were the circum stances under which 1 attended. I wns merely taken then by sufferance in illy official capacity as Privy Councillor. Tlie ether meetings I attended from having received the ordinary printed circulars sent to the members. It would be difficult, and I may add improper, to state what occurred at those meet ings; and I believe such a statement would not he consistent with the oath of a Privy Councillor; but there are many gen tlemen present who are members of the Privy Council—its Votes are open to them, and it will be sufficient to state to the House that on any of the occasions whets I attended nothing was transacted but business of the most formal nature. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") When my right hon. friend Sir Robert Peel returned, and took upon himself the station which he now occupies, he did me the honour to send for nie to his house. It waslupon an occasion when 1 was requested to at tend a Privy Council, which heed nothing whatever political in. its object —it was for getting the Chancellor of the Exchequer to snake good the payments of the Exchequer, and to fix the salaries. With these two exceptions, fruits the time of Sir Ro bert Peel's return up to this time, I have never attended a Ca binet Council at his house. (Cheers from the ministerial benches.) I will not go further with this subject. But when I bear of constant visits and communications with the Home-of fice before' my right hunt friend (Peel) returned, and of my tieing cominually with' the Duke of Wellington, I think I am hound to say that there is not one word of truth in it all. (Cheers.) It would he perfectly immaterial if it were true. I would have felt it an honour if I were justified in calling so fre quently as I . was reperred to have called. But I should consi aer it an act of impertinence having no business to transact there, if I were to call as has been stated. I never did so, and all 1 say to the charge is, that it is '.otally false. (Cheers.) Now, with respect to the formation of the present .ministry, I will boldly say, that with the exception of my right hon. friend Sir R. Peel, the Lord Chancellor, and the Duke of Welling. ton, 1 never advised, never counselled, and never knew of the appointment of any one individual, till it had taken place. (Great cheering from the ministerial benches.) So much fur that charge. I will now come to this— namely,• the dissolution of the last parliament. (Hear, hear.) It has been said that I assisted at the council where that measure, was re solved upon. It is not true. (Great cheering I. never did adenet, never did couusel, never was conselteel, and never had - anythieg te de s;,iels thwa 4 s ,, ltrtivrrof - rtrrr - tast-partiao.:a nt . sese little - did I know of it, that it was by accident, purely by acci dent, that I became acquainted with it. I knew nothing or the tact till it was announced in- the Gaze:te. (Cheers.) I will only mention- this further eireutnstmnee, and the fact will occur to the minds of all the gentlemen here, that, if I were sup confi dent' that parliament would be dissolved, why slid I • not take those steps that were taken by others—why did I not address my constituency its the prospect of a dissolution—vrhy did I not beg for their f avour ? Th e f act was, t h at. I have hailno coin muneettiou whatever upon the subject, nor did I have any with my cunstititents mail I ceased to be Speaker of that house. Whets I did.so cease, I then certainly had communications on the subject. lam now again a candidate for the high office" I formerly held ; but, with respect to my having had any com muniCation with any human being at any time, or upon any occasion, with reference to the late dissolution of the last go vernment, or that There is anything from whirls to infer that I had anything to dim, or diet I'delivered a single opinion respect ing the dissolution of the last parliament, I will say, that to each and to all 1 will give, with the utmost soleniuity, the strongest denial that can be given. I will declare before this house that, froth the, beginning to the end, it is wholly and ut terly false. (Loud and lone_-coutinued cheering,) I have felt it but respectful to the house to state this. .As I 'said before, I have long been the servant of the House ;of Com mons and „their chief officer, and there is no disgrace which I should feel so heavy, as upon the present occasion to be die credited by this house.—(Loud cheers.) With respect to who is the best person to fill the office of chairman, I am some that the house will concur with me, and I mean no disparagement to my right hon. friend (Mr. Abercromby) in sayiug so, that at the present moment, from peculiar circumstances, it will require great experience, and great knowledge of the business of the house, in order to discharge the duties of chairman. Whether I ain elected or nut falls to nothing when compared to this. 'I have the highest respect For - the right hon, and learned gen tleman who has been proposed in oppositiou to me, and I hope he will believe that I speak with perfect sincerity when I say that no mau rates his talent's higher than I do, and that I feel that it is no disparagement to him to say that even he would feel great difficulties in .filling the Chair of this Ilmise. I will now conclude, but before I sit downs, perhaps the House will permit me to express a wish—it is the one uppermost in my mind —that whatever may be the determination of time !louse on the present occasion, they may Rom a sound judgment its electing him as their Speaker who will discharge his duties most usefully to the country, most acceptably to the House, and most satisfactory to the public at large. (The right hon. gentleman concluded amidst very loud cheers.) Mr AHKltcuosisY then rose, and was received with most en thiisiastie cheers. From the si;uatiun in which the right hon. gentleman stood, and from the low tone in which he spoke, it was almost impossible to catch a single whole sentence of who' he stated. We, however, understood the right hon. gentleman to say, that he had yielded to the suggestions of his friends, and not by any desire, of his own, in standing forward as a candidate for the high office of Speaker of that house. The house was now about to perform its first and one of its most important du ties. (Loud cheers.) Ile had always considered the selection of the individual who was to fill the highest place in that house was one of its tweet paramount duties. (Cheers.) Ile would say nothing at the present moment with reference to the fitness of the right hon. gentleman or himself to fill that high office, but would leave that -point to be decided by the judg-ment of those who were much snore competent judges than himself. (Cheers.) The right honourable gentleman ,eppo• site; : no doubt, as he tboughteproperly asurnsest . honourably, had entered into explanations of his conduct with reference to what had taken place not within, but without the walls of the t house. It must be known to all present, that the contest out of the house had been couducted in a very different manner to that in which it would be carried on in it. (Great cheering ) He would not advert now to what had taken place elsewhere, because, unless lie was very much deceived, many days would not pass before a motion would be brought before the house which would have the effect of deciding the particular question which had been so much the subject of conversation out of doors. (Loud cheers.) Whatever opinion he had entertained upon different subjects, whether right. or wrong he would not pretend to say, had been adopted by him because he believed them to be the best. - He did not think it necessary to trouble• the house further, as he was firmly convinced its decision would be such as would give weight and dignity to itself, and insure all its rights and privileges, and secure the conducting of its business with order and regularity. which was essential to the comfort, honour, and confidence of the people. (Cheers.) Lord STANLEY then rose amidst great cheering and address ed the heuse as follows: —Sir, as I conceive it is not probah;e that any other gentleman will be submitted to the consideration of the house other than those that have already been laid before it I hone 1 shalt not be considered as impertinently intiuding myself on th e attention of the house when I confess that I feel anxious to take this opportunity of stating the grounds fist the vote which it is my intention to give on the present occasion. (Cheers.) I n ray doing so. I an, anxious, in a question which partakes in some degree of personal and political consideration, to state my views without offence to either of the two gentlemen who have beets put in nomination. fur both of wlo.rn I entertain personal respect, (cheers,) and from whom I have received, ituritig the existence of the late government, great and impor tant assistance. (Cheers.) 1 had the hdnour to forums part of that government —an honour I shall ever feel in having for four years been a member of that administration. I yield to no member in my attaehment to that which has been put forward as the great principle involved in this question—l mean the principle of reform. I peel to no member of that or any other government in my attachment to liberal principles. I will ven ture to any I am seeu n d to none in the zeal with which I en deavoured to support it. But, in 1833, although I did nut express emy sentiments on that occasion, I conveyed most fully nn praises to those which were everywhere I;estowed, by . every side of the house. out the talents, integrity, and impartiality of my hon. friend —that no differences °pillion were suffi cient to counterhalance his - inestimable services. (Loud cheers.) I was of that opinion then, lam of that opinion now. But., when I cause down to the house. I must confess I (lid ex pect to hear a declaration of the differences of circumstances under which their opinion had changed. (Cheers.) I came down with conimumeations from neither one side nor the other, founded on nothing but the public prints, and wherein I was in formed that disciosui•es were to be made that would call on the house as a matter of honour, to do ass act of justice to itself in not submitting to au intriguer as the president of their assem bly. Now, sir, what has been done? My hon. Friend who proposed the right hon. gentleman, and no man entertains a Mr. A BERCROMBY explained that the charges alluded to rested not upon his assertious, but a report which prevailed out of do,rs, and originated with sortie other person. (Cries of " Question," and " Divide.") Mr. FEncussoN said—lt is with no inconsiderable degree of diffidence I rise to offer my sentiments on this important occa sion. Very early perceiving that there would be a strong op position and difference of ()pillion on thirquestion, (though I did not consider it would-be so itnportan as it has become).— from a high resp act for his impartiality of feeling and judgment, 1 did certainly communicate to Sir C. M. Sutton, that I should vote for him, irr at least not against him. ("Question, ques tion.") But the character of my present cowrie is now, how ever, very different. It is not now a question of character, but a great political questiom (hear, hear.) On that principle I would have voted against my own brother, if he had been op ; posed to the principles I conceived advantageous to the public good; but in the situation in which I was placed, I found that the voice of the reformers throughout the coutitry was loud,:and decided on the question. (Hear, hear.) Even my own . COO stituents requested me to support the other right honourable gentleman, (4 , 11 r. Abercromby,) and app.alt..,t'atme upon, me, so hist and tiiiet toliiin g the to vote agaitiSt Sir U. M. Sutton,' that I was - placed in a very difficult situation„ and there is scarcely a gentleman iu the north who does not think I shall vote against that right hon. gentleman. I aim sorry t o sa y th a t Sir C. M. Sutton has plac e d his honour and character at stake upon this question. (Cries of " No, no," and " ear, beat.") I say it in the most friendly Manner, that he has placed his character and honour at stake, and as he has left it to me to to take my own course, I may declare that I believe his character and honour is not at stake. (Hear, hear; hear.) But the . question is intimately connected with the great principle of reform, and if I supposed his honour and character were at stake, I would be the last man to vote against him. (Hear, hear.) Atter what has been said, I have uoihit4t more to add than that,' shall so far u.aintain my promise as not to vote against hirn. (Hear, and loud cries of " Question.") Sir Cu ARLES M. SUTTON and Mr. FERGUSSON explained. Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose, and was received with loud cheers. He said he could not trespass, upon the time of the house, without explainingahe grounds Own which he gave his vote noon the present i•ceasion. Before going into the matter generally, he would say sonastimin* reletive to what had fallen fermi his right hon. friend, Lord Stanley. If his principles, as laid down by.hitn that day, were carried out; 'hen there was au end at once to the option of the House of Comons as to wh om they should pl a c e i n the chair. A cco rdin g , to' that doctrine, the House of Commons were hound to re-elect the right hon. geri 'Veltman, because be had come down and denied, rip.st that he had anything, to do with counselling the oisSolutiou of the late house—(great clicering)—with being ' guiltless of in triguing for the di sm i ssa l of the tate rapist' y. Ihe house had nut met for the purpose of passing a Vote of censure upon the right bon. gentietuan the late speaker,: but to 'exercise one of the most important acts they could be called. upon to do, .viz., the choosing of a genhenaan to preside over the'ir debates; and it would not, it could nut, for a moment be supposed that tt.e house would cast dishonour on any one of the cauutdates, because they (lid not elect him. (Cheers.) Itele was a precedent fur thi 'election he proposed to the house. In the time of Lord North, Sir Fletcher Norton having done something to displease that minister, and the noble lord having a majority in the house, proposed another gentleman as speaker, making some cumpli= • mentor). speech to the effect that he war too old a servant of the house, ano ought to be relieved from hs duties,—the noble lord carried his motion, but could it for a imnient be supposed that the house intended by the vote to cast censure. upon Sir F. Nor, bat ? Much hid been said as to the attendance of the late speaker at the privy . conocals ; but it was a well known fact, that the sUannonlng 01 the councillors dues not rest with the King, but with the prime minister for time time. The attendance in question took place when the Duke of Wellington was prime iniuister, (eheets,) and it was a well known tact that moue of toe councillors were summoned but those who were well known to hold opinions iu unison with the pet son who summoned. lliS feeling wits,•that the' spraker of the House of Commons had so Mixed himself up in the late pelt sicat %volt& that he had compromised the dignity of the character. (Loud cheers.) '!bete is no doubt that it' the right hon. gentleman had pleaded to be excused, it would have been `ranted. At the time the higher respect for talent and consistency than I do, says not one word on the subject; but that, on the coutrary, my right hon. friend (Sir Charles Manners Sutton) stood as high in the estimation of the country as he ever din before. But he says that a great public principle is involved here. My hou. friend tiie member for Newcastle, who followed in the seine course, explained a little more/what that general principle was, which I confess, in my own mind, had been left in doubt. (Hear, hear.) He had declared that no public charges were made on his public conduct, but that, moreover, if public charges had been wade elsewhere, that the House of Commons could not take cogiiizaece of them; that if they had been made, the house was not to take advantage of them. The right hon. gentleman Was, he was convinced, from what had fallen from bin;, not satisfied with his position; he hailfelt that in that position in which his friends desired to place him,' he ought not only to be uncon victed, hut unsuspected. 1 agree with him, My right honour able friend has met the charges boldly—be has met them freely —he hassmet them unanswered—without au intention of their being answered; and 1 say, then, of these grounds the House of Commons cannot degrade the right him. gentleman from the situation in which he now stands.a-(Great cheer ing.) I come then to the public principle which is involved in this ques tion. What is there that this house cannot give the go-by in this as you did on a former occasion? The person whom you select to he your speaker should, they. contend, .be known to entertain opinions in conformity with toe majority of that house. Is that a n e w pri nc ipl e ? W as not the proposition inet by Lord Grey's administration? The declaration says th at that was not a proposition of public principle; but if this be a great public principle, surely that which we gave the go-by in 1833 was of infinitely greater importance ; but I ask the house —I do not question the consistency of those gentlemen who held that opinion in 1833—but las whether in following tip those opinions in 1833 a complete refutation was not given to such a principle? But, sir,. in 1833 th e y sa ysfh ere was no ques tion upon which there had beet' a direct uppeal to the country. Let the country look to 1831, in which an appeal was agitated, and in which a great principle was involved—l allude to the corn bill. Was there ever a question_ on -which this principle was brought forward? And what was the first act of that par liament but to elect a speaker whom they :knew to entertain opinions different from the administration and the majority of the house? (Hear.) I might inquire of the right hon. gentle man who proposed Mr. Abercromby, in what respect the cir cumstances of 1833 and 1833 have so fat; differed, that we should elect a different speaker? But I have pointed out to him, that. in one respect at least the circumstances of the present times' are not stronger—they are not stronger, with regard to the question of ,the speaker, in the general proposal of the house. fhose principles being put to issue, as they were in 1833, what are the different circumstances? I ask :again and again, and t .know. not what those 'circumstances arta_ eaaept atM to 'take the doctrine of the hon. gentleman, the seconder of Mr. Aber cromby, and that doctrine is, that this is not k test of principle, but a test or the strength-of party. (Cheers from the ministe rial benches, reiterated by the opposition.) We are told it is essential to the Crown that uo mistake. should exist as id the sentiments of the house; that na•Mista-ke.in 1833 could have • been entertained, because upon both these occasions the him. gentleman asserted that the government—wielding the whole power of the government, in proposing a speaker, must consent to such a sacrifice as the expediency of the moment required. If it were a great public principle, no expediency, nothnig on earth ought to have allowed a government to have acted so. But the hon. gentleman says circumstances have now mate rially changed. They arc changed in one r es p ec t certa i nly, that we were in office in 1833, and that we are not in office in 1835. (Laughter and cheers.) I really don't mean to say this invidiously. lion. gentlemen may perhaps not belieate me when I say I speak in all sincerity, and I use the words of one of the hon. gentlemen who proposed Mr. Abercromby. The difference between the cases of 1833 and 18:35 has been stated by him to be, that in one case a Speaker w a s proposed by th ose w h o wielded the control of th e governmen t, tiriving a certain major ity in their favour, and that in the present instance the majority may be less, and that, therefore, it is essential we should take this opportunity of signifying to the Crown that we have no con fidence in -the administration. (Hear, hear.) Is this the principle? (Hear, hear.) Well then ) if it is, I say that an act of ,grosser injustice—(treat cheering front the ministerial benches)—an act savouring more of resentment than of justice —never could be perpetrated, than taking a decision of that point upini a question materially affecting the' honour and the character of the house itaelf. (Cheers from the ministerial benches.) - I say, sir, if it be the intention to try the strength of parties, let that question be tnaufully brought to i ssue upon an address for the remora! of - the ministers. (llear, hear.) But 1 say, do not on the one hand endanger and damage the character—(cries of "No, no," and "Hear, hear," from the ministerial benches) —l,say, do not commit such an injustice— (loud cries of "No, no,")—and 1 appeal to the honourand the candour of gentlemen in this house, when I ask them if it be not an injustice—(" Hear, hear," and continued cries of " Nu, no,")—tu remove a Speaker a gain s t w h om you h ave not only admitted -that th ere is .no present charge, but whom you h ave even admitted to be pre-eminently qualified for the situation— if it be not an injustice to remove him, for the purpose of as certaining the strength of parties. (Cheer. and " No, no.") But we are told that by the election of a Speaker this day we are to judge of the strength of parties. If the decision of this question is to be taken as an indication of the opinions of the house—if the sentiments of the Sneaker should be in accord ancewith those of th e ma j or i ty o r the memburs'of thi s h ouse, will the gentlemen Who support the hon. the member for Edin burgh take upon them to declare that his - principles are their principles—(cheers from the ministerial side)—that his politics are their politics,' and that by his pubiic declarations they ,are prepared to he boded ? (Ctiutinued cheering.) I knOw ,that the bon. member for East Surrey (Major - Beauclerk) will not venture to make such a statement. 1 know that he has 100 been a supporter of the whig party, and will not be held bouts by the opinions of the right hon. geotlemah(M r. Aber But if my support should be taken as an indication th cur-in the opinions et' either of the right hen. gentleine,, say, that I widely differ from them 'both,, but especially ice ease of the right hon. the meniner fdrEanihurgh, I see groundi-: for refusing him my support. On many questions lam op posed to him: The right him. gentleman is tar_slturteni the -,,sj ..fp.ritkcinentattre- -- stuasetoractdaily advocate leis -- nial parliaments. He supports, and lam opposed to, vote by ballot. lam against the voluntary principle of supporting the church, although not possessed of so much experience on that subject as the right hou. gentleman. (Hear, hear.) I have thus stated how far 1 differ from him- on these important questions, and, therefore, am I to' be told that by supporting his nomination to the chair, I havendopted all his political views? (L o ud - cr i es o f "N o, no," from- • the opposition.) Why, if that be not the case, what becomes of the statement of hon. gentlemen that the decision of this question will be the test of political strength, (Cries of " frinn the.oppo sition.) One of two alternatives must be adopted —either the decision must be taken as a test of political strength or not.— Are the-gentlemen opposite, who support the right honourable gentleman—are they all, I ask, prepared to adopt all his politi cal sentiments ? If- not, then this decision.cannot be regarded as a test of political strength. It would be hnpertinent in me tp meution the name of any gentleman as qualified to discharge with dignity and impartiality the ardui.usaluties of speaker of this house, but if feelings of delicacy did nut prevent me, I could lay before the house a nicn —who, from his know.edge, setting aside the experience of the right hen. gentleman below me (Sir C. M. Sutton) was preferable to any other with whom I. am 'acquainted, and whose political opinions approached nearest to my own. I would select the r i g h t hon: gentleman who repre sents the town of Cambridge (Mr. itiee.) If my vote is to-be taken as an indication that my opinions ate in accordance with the political opinions of the gentleman whom I support, mine accord more with that right hon. gentleman's than with those of the right hon. member fur Edinburgh; but L disclaim the doctrine altogether. I neither agree with the political princi ples of the right hon. gentleman below me, (Sir C. Sutton,) nor with those of the member for. Edinburgh, but 1 stand on . the declaration which I made befoie—a declaration consistent with all iny political sentiments and opinions, consistent also "lvith all the arguments which have been heard from this side of the house, and not attempted to be refuted, that no case has been made out which can induce this house to withdraw its support from the right hon. gentleman who has for so many years filled the chair. In conclusion, I have to repeat that it is on public grounds, and not from any agreement in political Principles, I support the motion of the noble lord, the member fur South Lancashire. FEBRUARY ;1 4 , 1835' Duke of Somerset was - appointed master ofthe horse hene, l o l attended-the privy counci l meet i ngs, and when the Earl a beinarie held a s i m il ar s i tuat i ou he alsu declined attending; If the right hon. gent l eman h ad signified that such a Pli ing would _not be becoming in him, if he had intialaute, slightest wish that he th oug h t suc h a proceeding i nc -: with his p u bli c character, he would hav e b een a t o nce es -The numb er o f pr i vy councillors is not so small as to 7 , '" the attend ance o f every individual—they au.sunt iu all t 0 and upw a rd s , an d i t therefore cannot be necessary t Speaker of the House of Commons should appearthere ag,, the know n op i n i on — aga i nst what would have been theder4 opinion o f t h at House of Commons. (L ou d cr i es of ' a hear.") -I thi n k i t cannot be doubted that the r i g ht hens° would hardly h ave d one t h at, i f we were in the m iddle et' , sion of parliament--if it was, for instance, during the recess, I fancy he would not have attended four or heels councils, and b e prepared to meet parliament, and ask fo r approbation for' a provisional ministry, consisting solet10! entirely of the Duke of Wellington. (Loud cheerumo ii i i regard to th e c h arge of degradation that has been matte, t'' that the ri g ht h on. gent. cannot view it in such a ' hlefea there is n ot hi ng i n the question that would make that gentile retire fro m t hi s h ouse with mortified or painful feelings.., the oritgilly;tphoeinn.t the g o ( n m w ti t e i f i e ct i l le,s question turns is with re'l7,:il po► proposing lbias.itical hn istk:n a fi the hon. ,rtn for Yorkshi re observed when inerobsot stun, his political feelings did not remain inert, but got the of him, and made him do acts which, as the Speaker of tiler he should h ave avoided. 'Phis would be a ground-with nit,', fess, for having the election of speaker pure; and it is u s j my reasons fur not choosing the right lion. geutleinau. ( t hear.) It h as b een urged that Lord Grey's Kw:criminal, proved of th e r i ght hon gentleman on two occasions- ' - respect to the first of them, it was in the ye ar 1831, wilt right hon. gent l eman still continued in the office of s pe l l , and nothing occurred to - render his removal necessary, t ° pod of the session of 1832. On the other occasion the ,hou, gentleman did retire—he stated to the house that hl ss , acted as speak er f or s i x sessions, and he asked its pernsisse" retire. 1. think that the right hon. gentleman will admit, was not one of the most grudging of those who offered _., tribute of appr o b a ti on and praise to that right hon. gentle", (dear, hear.) 1 bore inv testimony to kis conduct, durio siding of pa r li ament, an d 1 believe that he behaved in the, , exemplary manner. If he had any pasty- bias he did o °' tempt to shew it, nor was there that danger to be appreh e 'a from its_ indulgence tha n w h e n i t was a weak party that 1:°. happen now. ,In 1832, the right hon. gentleman having re t '' and havint, obtained by act of parliaineut his retiring P 5 he was elected speaker the following session. I know tint s ,• the objects or f ee li ngs of, those who propos e d h im we re, ht', my part 1 felt exceettnigly solititous for the character:of - 0 e ; rosined' House of Partiamept. '-' (Heap hear.)' Tffereil, doubt, iu grunt of intelligence,-iu point of honesty, and i' e of integrity, it was f ar super i or to any other house that Imaa_w sat, but I did feel sure that, having a great number of me;., who had not tur ne d th e i r attent i on to parliamentary forrn9i; v might nut be some d e fi c i ency i n t h ose forms, which w ould come the subject of undeserved obloquy. From these grog I departed from my views, which exactly were, that the s' l , should be the organ and representative of the house. hear.) ' I sh a ll now t urn to a quest i on, which, 1 think, by .B,l!rir .most imp or t ant, name l y. h ow.far public principle is involv`if i , our present ch oice . 1 t hi c k it i s necessary to place in th at c „ a man who is zealous on behalf of the liberties of the pe ° ;, zealous on b e h a lf- o f popu l ar prerogatives, to be the orgsgos this ho use to t h e C rown, to represent their feelings tics zealously, an d w i t h out f ear of offending, or a wish to conr''',, those who h ave t h e power of d i spensing favours. T 0 his 1 . doctrin e o f t h e reformed House of Commons, whicb i'rt:i especially necessary to vindicate at the present moment. parliament which, I s h a ll sac, was as l oyal to the Crown as?,. parliament that ever existed was suddenly dissolv e d. i t is', well-known p rerogat i ve o f t he Crown, and that prerogative 0 0 . serted; but when this naked sword wits drawn, it was ueee. 0 , to have th e s hi eld and buckler of popular privileges. (Deed/ I know of no right more sacred or less to be infringed, that'll, of this house placing its representative in the chair. Vie,,S but all been sent here by persons, not be c a use th ey lik e our man because they agree with us in our political sentiment' , i because the think th at we w ill reform abuses. (Loud ch ee ;i So I say. Let us, let all who wish to see reform of ab i ,la have a speakeriu this h ouse to a id us i n t h ose reforms. was the do c t r i ne i n ancient times, when the Prerogative ts f also asserted,ias in the time of Charles the Second, when Al tempt was made to force upon the House aeon:m(4ls a spe ll ,1 favourable to the court. 'the attempt was resisted, and sac r • fully resisted, still I will call the attention of th e h o use leg moment to the sentiments expressed by Sir Herbert John' t f• ' and Mr. Sergea n t Willi ams upon that occasion. The l e : of ments of those emi nent men were very different from t"s which I have heard to-day. (Cheers.) Sir H. Grinistone a l : with indignati on;. " s h a lt W e not have the liberty of choosini , own servant to do' our own work as we wish it done." I s ) again, when . h e c a ll e d upon " every man to consider the tt of the people of England." (Great cheering.) This' is n wit ° ; ; say on the present occas i on. I a l so say, let eve- man here', suer the rights of the Commons of England. (Great cheeri o! , We have for our choice a man of the character I have ei tioued, who, in addition to-his legal and historical kuno l !,s adds a s o und k now l e d ge o f the constitution and the priar':, of the liberty of the people: (Hear.) - Let us give the ent r e an earnest that we mean to set zealously a b out reform-41't are not going t o d ece i ve t h e peop l e by mock reform—let ass t that, with undo u bt e d l oya l ty to the Crown, we are deterinisa to maintain the privileges of the Coinumns. (Treatise s ' 'cheering.) Sin ItoBEET PEEL then rose, and was received with 15 ,; cheers. He s a id—l w ill pursue t h e co u rse generally adl r by every one who h as a dd resse d t h e h ouse, namely, th'_.4 4ainiting the discussion on the pre se nt occas i on to the m atte , o , kateaEton. I appear h ere as a 'witness to perfo rm a tas k I fee d; [ wholly unnecessa r y, th a t o f con fi rm i ng, so far as- ray tee, apathy can, the accuracy of my right hon. friend (Sir C. AL !ass t ys n.) As to what t oo k pl ace prev i ous to:my arrival ill, l i country. I will s t ay nothing. I will spea k on l y with rega r d what I know myself. In undertaking the duty-assigned tir o ; _by his_ Maiwily,,ol4.o. least•saortly afierwards—l -bud •an in "sr v4aissasitisaat-sieto 4 ...rfeinmtkl... friend - Sir Charles Ntann i • Sutton, amid informed ininisf. the task Iliad undertaken, and the principles upon which I was determined to proceed, natee sa 'that I should seek for aid iu the performance of that taskfrv f " l every man whoin I thought could unite with me consistent'i, with his honour. I asked Lim, respecting, as I did, his abdi t :) and experieuce in. publi c- lif e, w h ether it was consistent °do his feelings and sense of duty to enter i n t o t h e serv i ces of 111 Crown ? (Cheer s .) Si r , I rece i ved from the right honour" 0 gentleman this answ er , th a t h e di d not seek employment s an official capacity in th e serv i ce of the Crown, 0, there is, defect in that whi c h I w ill supp l y, as probably that o.' o , main reason which iuduceds him at such a ti me t o " I l a hold his servic es from his Mkjestv ; he stated I 11 1 I served in the - Chair for a peri o d of' eighteen years, e o ;',, do feel that if I were now to enter into the arena of discuesi ° I should, after so long a service in t h e, an d my personal c°,:1.1 nexion with, the authOrits of th at situatiou, 'I she°, run the risk of lowering it, if T appeared in the House of C ( l . , mons as a member of the government. (Cheers.) 'chat ":„. the reason, sir, my friend assigned to one for his willing o ,7„, nay, his desire, to withhold his service upon that occasi s li (Cheers.) When I understood fr om my natithon. friend tP he was not willi ng, upon that ground, to enter i n t o t h e saratraief of the Crown as a member of the House of coilloio n fear' if that there might b e somet hi ng that might lower his authority 4 he became a member of the government at a time when it s . f‘i ' likely that there would be a stormy discussion, I aid not le b ei . , it to be my duty to consult my right hon. friend either as t0 t ,,, - formation of the government or its policy--a great cheeSingi d . and not one word passed between my right hon. friend airlin4 ' self upon the subject. (Hear.) I then asked him whetheei: o would wish again to fill the chair of the House of CommO o '.li case of a dissolution. (Cheers.) : My right hon. friend s'' that he had no wi s h or f ee lin g upon thubject, that it isl e ° e s matter in which he could have no person a l interest, frogs t liberality toward s hi nt o f t h e H ouse of Commons. (Cheer t'i At the same time h e s t ate d t h at the impediment of ill hee l J whiAli had led him to inediaite retirement no longsr existedrs il a if I thought..the public had c l a i ms on a continuation O f bo services, so l ung as h ea l t h would permit him to exercise v duties he would not withhold himself from the House o f C O l, molts. Such were the circutnstauces, and such the course O h sued by my right hon. friend, and the question now is, whether' since lie -has been proposed, and professed his williugness .. ., serve the office of speaker, it is right and fitting that ttristor te should select another. (Cheers.) The noble lord 0pp 051 ,3 says that we have a right to choose whom we please. I adt t ' i ' s that proposition to the fullest extent. But I say that the no' lord wh o p ro f esses to b e l ou d est i u favour of the public gov", ought not to insist upon an abstract right; but ought to e () ; eider, iii an instance like the present, ;o:ether that right ee f be exercised with ,justice. ' (Che ers .) • Th e no bl e l or d saystbs_ he would bring forward pre ce de n t s; i n a ll hi s historical rfi search he can only produce one against the reformed parliarneß s , under the government of Lord Grey—(hear, Fletcher Norton e ample of Lord North, in the session when Sir —a worthy example truly—tgreat cheering) —the great obje' : 4 Lion to Sit:Fletcher Norton being a speech which he had nlof at the bar. The noble lord cited a case in question—that e a Lord North; that Lord North answered to this. Did IO North, however,present a case parallel to this? Did not Lot; North substitute that by reason tif ill health a Sir Fletcher. Nest ° i i resigned the duties of the chair, such was the case under Le, North's administration. L or d N orth was so convinced that wht: ever might abstractediv.he the right of exeicising thiS Oivilegl he must tie comp e lled t o i nvent Some other ' pretence for Os giving a tru6 - - reason - why hi did so. T he noble lard ale s has another precedent. But if the noble lord has that preeei dent, he must have concocted that precedeut when he .though that change had arr i ve d wh i ch rendered it in perative for a ne ” , Speaker to be elected. (I - lear.) But 1 ask the noble lord whr titer this ch arge was not i nstituted against my hon. friend ''' ' the belief that he had been instrumental in 'instigating a disco"lution of parliament. The noble lo r d h as cited anolber cases - also that o f Si r Edward Seymour,-The House of Comin° °- then elected a Speaker. (Here an hon. niember observed "Against the wishes of the C l o wn. ") Against—against! ' care not who it would be against, though I ought to beg pardon for any apparent warmth which may be observable. M v sitar tion is far too onerous for me to set an example of warmth i n this house. The case which the noble lord has cited is no es'e 0 at all. Th e C rown w i s h e d to elect a Speaker, another 4, ; elected by the houL. in his stead; b u t I wou ld- ask the hen ' i and the nobl e l or d w h e th er t h e case wh i ch has been arldue has any reference to time slate of the c i rcumstances at preset'." and were not totally diff erent .frone thern ? Not - in the tear doubting your right, as far as the office is concerned—but 4_l just, or is it f a i t t owar d s time individual, l oo ki ng at i t in lit se s . l 47' of ccmmon justic e a n d common f a i rness , that the caul? POI% gent. who has received that election during six seveasiva Par liaments—against whom no charge has' been bristigliwh"r" health permit's him to exercise its most arduoas diities;and e'}'"' without one motive of personal interest to 'gratify, has consent' ed to undertake the performance of its FalioluiS ?" The questio n then resolves itself wheth er y ou w ill perns i t a Speaker to- suffer 1 by six weeks of uncontradicted calumny against hiut.—( Cheer/ l'tiay never contradi c t e d by himself 'en .authority, 4ticl whie , calumnies have arous e d th e f ee li ngs o f indignationswhich have been displayed througl'imit time house.—(l - lour, hear.) Note , Sir, I again repeat, inay. I ask the noble lord, and I um sure the candottS of the. no,ble lord will instantly avow it, whethe r this change wi;s not instituted from the supposition that tt right hen, friend had been instrumental in promoting a disci' ',m o o of i ;:iitiameot ? Spveraf voices—" No doubt." . Lord Jous lit;ssELt —My impression extended no further than that he attended in the formation f thatgovernment front its position, could do no otherwise. My grounds a ob; jectiou were certainly founded on t h e supposizion that he ha' been a party to that advice by which the tate. parliament * 4l dissolved, - • • Sir R. PEEL resumed.-11 this was their impression, IW . the members of this house will ha ve th e manl i ness to keep LA, their terms of opposition, but if they had determined to oppee" on most other grounds 1 hive Ibat , eonlidence in their honour th t they will relinquish their opposition-=( Hear, hear.) Wh at are the arguments which have been used . in favour of the other side of the questi on ? O ne h onourable gentleman says the speaker shoidd always represent the - majority of the house' Is that a principle which ought to Le established ?—(Nu,,ll o ') Is it wise that a speaker should be seeking favour with $ majority of the house of commons, to secure his election?' ( hear. hear.) is it nut infinitely wiser to look at his (mantic.; tions for 011ie rather • th an t o l oo k e t hi s political twining'', 12. et that question was d ec id e d by the first rerormed parhanntlin