The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1853-06-14 00:00:00

Y ibtrp,ool -4talibarb/. TUESDAY MORNING, JUNE 14, 1853. THE WEEK THE chief topics of discussion during the week have been the proceedings before the Election Com mittee, and the apprehensions of a war with Russia. The latter contingency has derived somewhat more importance from its inevitable interference with one of our largest sources of supply for foreign corn ; but, as one of the effects of Free-trade was to make us partially dependent upon foreigners for food, we must be content to put up with the con- sequences Our excellent chief magistrate has been doing due honour to his elevated position, and worthily representing the Commercial capital, at the meeting in the great metropolis to promote the extension of Science and Art. At the assembly of Mayors, con vened by the LORD MAYOR of London, he occupied a distinguished place, and by the part which he too k in the proceedings justified the good opinion which is entertained of him by his fellow-townsmen. Not the least interesting part of his duties was a visit to the Crystal Palace at Sydenham, and his subse quent attendance at the Society of Arts, where Prince ALBERT presided at the distribution of prizes. The interesting ceremony of the installation of the Earl of DERBY, as Chancellor of the University of Oxford, took place on Tuesday, and the imposing ceremony passed off with more than ordinary ecicit. One of the most interesting parts of the proceedings was the conferring the honorary degree of D.C.L. upon most of the distinguished members of the late Cabinet, in addition to several other men of note, and two of Royal blood, the Duke of CAMBRIDGE and the hereditary Grand Duke of MECKLENBURG STRELITZ. LIVERPOOL ELECTION PETITION. PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE. FROM OUR OWN REPORTER.) MONDAY, JUNE 6. The first witness was John Calderwood, who deposed : I am secretary to the Concert-hall Company, Lord Nelson-street. I remember that, previous to the last election, various meetings of the ward were held in the hall. The 19th of April, the 4th of May, the 16th of June, and the 25th of June, were the dates of meetings held in the hall—the latter a Welsh meeting on the Papal Hierarchy; and that of the 16th of June was called to hear a lecture on the Papal Policy. The first two meetings were com posed of the Lime-street ward, the room having been taken by Jonas Gleave for electioneering purposes. I was present at the first, on the 19th of April, and heard va rious speeches delivered. The meeting on the Papal Policy was presided over by Mr. Lewis, and the Rev. Mr. James was a speaker. The most of the speeches were in Welsh, and also the lecture on the Papal Policy. Ido not understand Welsh, and so I cannot say that they referred in their speeches to the election. On all those occasions the room was taken by Mr. Jonas Gleave. I received the money from Gleave, for the one on the 16th included, which was generally known as the " Pious Dodge Meeting." (Laughter). I did not see the candi dates present at any of these meetings. Cross-examined by Mr. M. SMITH : The first meeting was open to the Lime-street Ward. I take no interest in political matters. I can't call to mind that Mr. Gleave hired the hall previous to these meetings. I can't posi tively say. Yes, he has engaged the hall previously for Some time for municipal meetings. By the CHAIRMAN : On two - occasions I received the money from Gleave's hands, and on the other occasions I sent receipts by the porter to Mr. Gleave's, and the money was paid. I cannot swear to receiving it for the 6th and 25th from Mr. Gleave. To Mr. BALL : The room was ordered for the Lime street Ward committee of election for Mackenzie and Turner. On all occasions I consider that the hall was taken for the same parties. William Allanson was here recalled, and on Mr. George Henry Horsfall being introduced to the room, the witness identified him as the person whom he understood to be Mr. Charles Henry Horsfall. Mr. SMITH : Did you not say that he was thin ? (Laughter, in which Mr. Horsfall good-naturedly joined.) Mr. SMITH Now, there are two statements the wit • ness made—that he was thin, and that ho was like my friend Mr. Rodwell. Now, he is neither the one nor the other. (Laughter.) The 6itAtiimAN . observed that the witness had stated that Mr. Horsfall was very handsome. The witness Allanson's examination-in-chief was then resumed : I went to do repairs at the ward-room. I saw Mr. Wood there on the election morning, and various other gentlemen. I was there the greater part of the day. The house is in Scotland-road, at the corner of Great Mersey street. Was employed to fit it up as a committee-room. There was a sort of a temporary counter fitted up there. There was a sort of an opening at one end of it—a flat piece on a hinge. There was an opening underneath at the end as well. While I was in the room he passed me some ribbons under the counter. Standing on one side he passed them under the counter to me on the other. I gave them away to different people ; I may say to a dozen or two. Some were loose, and some were in a paper. I think I did keep two or three of them to myself. I only kept one. None of those ribbons were folded or wrapt up. That I distinctly swear. None of them were made up into a rosette or favor. I polled that day, I think, between two or three. I returned to the committee-room after polling at the Town-hall. I found Mr. Roskell there, but I don't think Mr. Horsfall was. I asked Charles Kaye for his vote, and I asked a good many others to vote for Mackenzie and Turner. I went to canvass. but I was not a regular man : I was only for the day. The two days before I took no part in the election at all. Very likely I did tell those parties (Horsfall and the others), that I had been canvassing. They both were present, Mr. Horsfall and Mr. Roskell, when I told them. Mr. PAGET: What did you say to them about having seen Kaye ? Question objected to ; upon which Mr. PAGET stated, that he proposed to show that, under the direction of Roskell and Horsfall, the witness bribed the voter Kaye—testimony which would not in volve the members, until the two patties, Horsfall and Roskell, had been connected with the sitting members as their recognised agents. Witness recalled : After I saw Kaye I saw Roskell and Horsfall. Neither of those gentlemen gave me any direction at that time. After the conversation with Horsfall and Roskell, I saw Kaye. I think he had voted then, for we had a glass of ale together. (Laughter.) I did not see him poll. I was at the Liver Inn during the day. Kaye was there with me during the day. I was there in the afternoon of the elec tion day with him, between the hours of three and four. Besides the ss. 6d. I told you of, I received £lOO out of the Liverpool and London Assurance Society. This was at the election time. I know Mr. Johnson, a solicitor. Mr. PAGET Now, did you not from him receive a pound after the time of the election ? Witness : No, sir. Mr. PAGET : Did you receive that sum about the time of the election ? Witness : No, sir. Mr. PAGET : Nor 10s., nor any other sum ? Witness : Never. Mr. PAGET : Did you ever say to any person that " they had paid you - well for what you done for them." _ Witness I swear that I never did. Examination continued : I mean Mr. Johnson, the so licitor, of Castle-street, when I say Mr. Johnson. I never did say to Mr. Johnson that I would do nothing for the election, or in connexion with it, if I were not paid for it first. I never said to any one that I had re ceived money wrapped up in ribbon. Mullington Walthew swore : I live at No. 2, Tal fourd-street, Liverpool, and I was engaged at the last Liverpool election by the committee for conducting the election of Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner. I was engaged by Mr. Buckmaster. I was first engaged in the month of April —to be generally useful. I was to be paid ss. a day. I saw Mr. Buck- master at the Constitutional Association. I was first em ployed in Everton, from which the requisition first cam e. The committee room was at Halliday's, the Ever- ton Coffee-house. 1 was sent there by Mr. Buckmaster, and that was the place of my business at first. I had to go np to that ward to get requisitionists to sign. I did not bring back my sheets to the room in John-street. I went back to the rooms in John street, where I saw Mr. Buckmaster, and I informed him of what I had done in Everton. I was then sent for to go into Scotland -ward, still with the re quisition. I was directed both by Mr. Peacock and Mr. Buckmaster. I went to Mr. Blundell s, in Scotland-ward. There were no gentlemen meeting there when I went ; but in the course of three weeks I saw the gentlemen there. They had a secretary, Mr. Clegg. I have heard that be is in the employ of Mr. Horsfall, and I have seen him in Mr. Horsfall's office. He is a clerk, I believe. Besides him, there were several other persons, all at the desk, He is Mr. Horsfall, of the firm of Horgan and Son. I was employed in Scotland ward for about five or six weeks. I was there with the requisition first, and afterwards with the canvassers. The requisition did not take long —say about five or six days. Mr. Clegg commenced to act as the secretary of the com mittee, Mr. Thomas Dover was the chairman of the ward, and Mr. Waterston was deputy chairman. Mr. Burroughs was a member of the committee, and also Mr, Bowers and Mr. Taylor. Mr. Horsfall was not on the committee. Mr. Blundell was upon the committee ,• he kept the house. Mr. Richard Briscoe was one. There were two persona named Sefton on the committee. I remember Joseph Healing ; he was on the committee. I ney met to receive the reports of the canvassers, rid those reports were eatared in witaL sve called werd s. This continued for about a month ; Mr. Clegg, e conclusion of that time, said there was no further qtr al need for my servtcex Liiere, and Seni, me That took place about three During the time I was sc committee the election niptoyea i was t part of the day.. 1 chiefly at Mr. Blundell's—at le rly in th I canvassed, and reported, as the other canvassers did, the result of my work. While the committee held their meetings of an evening Mr. Clegg wrote the names in the ward hook. During the time I was employed I was at Blundell's every evening, but not all day. During the month I was sent from the committee to the central committee once or twice. When we wanted more stationery I went to the central committee-room to get it. Mr.Bucktnaster told me to get it. I never took a return of the canvas to the cen tral committee-room. Mr. Clegg was the person to do so, but I never saw him do it. I made a return to him at an office in John-street—not the central office. He did not tell me what the returns were for. When I gave Mr. Clegg the returns I thought he brought them to the central committee. I did not hear Mr. Clegg receive any instructions to take them there. The returns were made out once a week. I was employed at the central com mittee for three weeks before the election. 1 canvassed the out-voters for two or three days, by the directions of Mr. Buckmaster. I was employed in the lower room, and then in the upper room, for the rest of the time. My duty was to copy any papers J got. The papers I copied had nothing to do with the canvas. I sometimes delivered notes summoning committees. There was a general central committee. I assisted in summoning them. rSum mons put into the hands of witness.] The summonses had engraved heads. That is the same engraving as the one at the head of this note ; and I filled up such notes. There was a Finance Committee, and I assisted in filling up many of the summonses. Ido not recollect the names of the other committees. There was, I think, a Car Com mittee; and I rather think there was a Music or Band Committee. The Car, as well as the Finance Committee met at the Central Committee-rooms. This was at the period I was emoloyed down stairs. When I was subse quently removed up stairs it became my duty to make out lists of the voters. I can't say there was a general re cord of the canvass kept at the Central Committee-room. I was in the habit of separating the voters into wards from the general list. They were afterwards put on boards, but I don't know what was done with them. I saw none of the boards, however, at the Ward Committees. I ne ver saw either of the sitting members at the Central Committee-room whilst I was employed there. I went there in the morning, at nine o'clock. I remained in the upper room until seven o'clock. I did not sit in the com mittee-room while I was below stairs. Neither did I ever see a doorkeeper. After this a note came, and I was sent to Scotland Ward, to Mr. Pyecroft's, the landlord of the Wheatsheaf Inn. Mr. Watson was there when I went. Mr. Buckmaster sent me to Scotland Ward to attend to the note. He gave me the note ; but 1 must have de stroyed it ; and 1 have it not now. The note was to the effect, that Mr. Buckmaster should send me up ; and, in accordance with the request, he did so. A great many of the members of the committee were the same as attended at the public-house occueied by Blundell. The de puty-chairman was Mr. Watson. I remained at the WLeatsheaf till the day of the election, and then I went to Mr. Anthony's, who lives in Great Homer-street. I went there before I went to the central rooms ; but I was only employed for one night. I also went to Mr. Robert Well's, at the corner of Bevington-hill. I was also at Kelly's, of Chadwick-street, at the corner of Love-lane, for one night. Mr. Watson, the deputy-chairman, attended every one of the meetings at that place of assemblage, and the business of the election was carried on there. There were no placards outside these houses which I have named. Yes, there were placards with " Mackenzie and Turner's committee room" on them outside of Blundell's, Pyecroft's, and the central com mittee rooms. I have known Mr. Watson to say he was going down to the central committee rooms. I have seen him leave the ward committee then. I made my own account and expenses for this ward out. I drew Mr. Blundell an account out once for the expense of the room, at his direction. There was a charge also for refreshment for the committee. I was the only paid servant there. I made my account out on a Friday night to the end of the week. Mr. Blundell's was made out in the same way. I delivered my account to Mr. Clegg, and sometimes Mr. Watson took it down to the central office to get it paid. Mr. Watson paid me on one or two occasions, but Mr. Clegg has also paid me. I did not see them take my account to the central office. I remember the last occasion upon which I received money for my services rendered in the Scotland ward ; I was paid by Mr. Buckmaster : it was only for a fourth of a week. I went to the central committee rooms to be paid. I can't recollect whether any one was present. It was after the polling. was told I must go to the central office by Mr. Watson. I know of no demand of Mr. Blundell's being paid there after the election. I can't say that the finance committee sat generally on a Saturday. I have seen Mr. Watson at the central rooms on a Saturday after the finance commit tee had first sat. I never saw him take away money. I saw him go into the room and come out. I never saw him pay anything there. I remember that a person of the name of Briscoe was engaged at the central committee room. I saw a couple of men whom I knew to be letter carriers at Pyecroft's, but I did not see any letters with them. They went into the front committee room. I was on the stairs all the time they were in. I went into the room in their company, but T did not remain for a minute. I left them in the room with Mr. Clegg and a nephew of my own. Mr. Clegg told me to take care of the door, and not to admit any person. He told ley nephew he was to call over the names of the electors with the post men. I heard him do so, but I did not assist in examining any letters before I left the place. Mr. Healing was in the room at the time ; he passed me and went in whilst I was watching at the door. I tried to prevent him going in, but he told me he was one of the committee, and therefore insisted upon being admitted. They were together in the room for about a quarter of an hour. Another person was to take charge of the door, and I was to go into another room. This was a Monday evening. They were there in the morning. I examined a few of the letters in the evening. I had not the letters in my possession, T called over the names. The postman had a bundle of letters, and he called the names of the parties to whom they were addressed ; and during that time I examined the list, told him whether they were voters or not. Mr. Clegg was not present. There were only the postman and myself present. Mr. Clegg directed me to do this. The postman marked some of the letters with pencil. I told the postman, when he mentioned a name, that he was or was not a voter, according to the fact ; and, therefore, if he was a voter, the letter was marked with the pencil. I was to say which side the party was to vote for : the postman marked according to what I said. I could not see what the marks were ; he put a cross on those who were for Cardwell and Ewart. In Scotland Ward there was a ward committee before the election, but we sent very seldom. When the parliamentary con test was commenced there were persons on the committee who were not on the municipal committee. Parties are not the same for parliamentary as for municipal elections ; the municipal elections are not looked upon as political. I can't say whether the central committee was the same, or whether the numbers were increased. I saw, among others, Mr. Edmund Molyneux, Mr. W. B. Jones, and Mr. Jonas Weave, at the Central Committee-rooms. I saw Jones there once or twice. I cannot undertake to say who went there most frequently. I have seen Mr. William Rowett more than once, and Mr. L. Peel more than once. I have seen Mr. Thomas Bold more than once. Mr. J. S. Leigh I saw once there. Mr. N. D. Bold I saw once there ; Mr. Peacock more than once, and also Mr. H. Bremner. Mr. Moss, the banker—l saw him once there. Mr. Robert Woodward, Mr. A. Henderson, Mr. E. G. Deane, Mr. G. H. Hors fall, Mr. J. A. Tobin, Mr. William Fisher, of Redcross street, Mr. Thomas Inman, Mr. P. B. Drinkwater, Mr. Nicholson, Mr. Hatch, Mr. J. B. Cooper, Mr. Watson, and Mr. Clegg, I have also seen there. I did not see Mr. Wm. Lowe, Mr. Thos. Harrison, or Mr. Wm. Nicholson there. A Mr. Nicholson I did see there. I have seen the persons named already go into the room while the committee was sitting, and come out afterwards. I know a Mr. Thos. Williams, secretary to the Vauxhall Ward. He was in the ward as canvasser, and T don't know he did not act as secretary. T can't say that Mr. Wiliiams is the collector to the Conservative Association, but he has some situation there. 1 never saw Williams pay or receive money. The Vauxhall Ward Committee met in a public-house in Great Howard-street, kept by Sylvester Matheson. I never saw a placard outside that house. I never saw the committee of Vauxhall ward at that house. I never received any money myself at Moss's bank. I don't recollect that Mr. Buckmaster received any. I never heard Mr. Bremner say anything to Mr. Buckmaster about wanting money. I do not recollect seeing Mackenzie or Turner at the central committee room : I have seen them in St. John's Market with Jones Gleave. I did not see Mr. Peacock there. Examined by Mr. RODWELL : The time I saw the can didates in the market-place there was a crowd after them. Besides those I have named, as having been present at the central committee-room, there were many others. I was formerly collector for the Conservative Association, and many of those gentlemen whom I named were members of the Conservative Association, and their room was given at election times to the party. These gentlemen often did not stay more than two or five minutes. Many were there who were not members of the Conservative Association. I know notices of com mittee meetings were given to me to be filled up. I should say those summonses werefor thegeneral cormnitee. Those gentlemen were the persons whom I sometimes saw drop into these rooms. I never saw anything further than the date at the top, and the circulars. As to the letter-carriers, the names were Adler and James Graham. They came in sometimes to get the number of the houses. I never gave them the number of the houses. What I did with the postman lasted for about two minutes. I saw him mark about two. The number of names I called over might be twelve. I believe Adler and Graham are here. Another man who was in charge of another room was present, and also my nephew. Mr. Healing, a pawnbroker, was like wise present. Whatever was done in the room, Clegg was not there. Clegg just came into the room, and then went out again. Only one of the postmen that I saw marked the letters. Graham was the man who called over to me the direction of the letters. I went to Wat son, and got the employment from him--at least he sent me to the Constitutional Association. I took the papers to his private house. He has been since, I believe, a clerk for Horsfall, and he was not there during the election. If I said so, I stated what was wrong. By Mr. Bonmet : I did not see the postmen come into the house. I showed them into the room. I had seen them there in the morning. Clegg said I was to go and attend to those men—to call over the letters with them. Two or three of them were employed. By Mr. FRESTIFIELD : When I filled up the notices I did not know whether they were summonses for the gene ral or any other committee. -- By the CHAIRMAN : I should say parties not members mould have been f ree l y a d m i tte d of the L:3 cn.nittce - room to the committee-room at any time. Willi a m Walthew (examined by Mr. PAGET) deposed that he was a nephew of the last witness. I was engaged by the chairma n of the Vauxhall Ward to assis t my uncle at the election. I was employed at Pyecroft's, but I was emp'.oycd a t no other place. My business was confined to the Wheat Sheaf. I was employed about four or five days. I was there a fe7. - mornings previous to the elec tion. I recollect the postman COLLIT:', t!...3 room ; that was on the day previous to the nomination—on the Mon day. It was between nine and eleven o'clock, and I in the committee-room at the time he came. 'One man brought the letters in. When the postman came in, I had to bier to the ward-hook. Mr. Clegg . desired me to refer to it. He did not tell me for what purpose it was to be done. The postrner , looked at the letters. I think at that time there was no one present but the postman,Mr. Clegg, and myself. The postman produced the letters, andlealled out the names, and a cross was marked on some THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, TUESDAY, JUNE 14, 1853. of them. We were to see in the ward-book whether the name were " for," or " against," or " doubtful." Just as I called out, he marked them. Those at which I said " for" were not marked at all. Accordingly as I called out " doubtful," or " for," or " against," he marked or did not mark the letters. I recollected the same afternoon the postman coming again. There was a committee meeting ; the members were addressing the voters between six and eight. Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner were addressing them at Mr. Pyecroft's, in another room. At that time there was not a meeting of the committee. I recollect at that time the postman c oming with the afternoon delivery, he came to the com mittee-room on the left. Two men came with the let ters. Only myself and two postmen were present in the room. When the postman came into the room in the evening I was not aware that they were coming. They were ushered in while I was alone, and the door was locked by some person in the inside. The same tran spired again that had occurred in the morning, the letters being marked in the same manner. Mr. Healing, one of the committee, came in with two other parties whom T did not know, and remained about five or ten minutes. The postmen had drink—one of ale and one of spirits. I ordered it, Clegg having directed me to call for some thing to drink. I might know some of the names on those letters if they were mentioned to me—not other wise. I recollect the name of " William Stamp." lam sure of it. I know Stamp personally. He is an ac quaintance of mine. This examination of the letters took place on the evening previous to the nomination day. I did not touch one of the letters. I could not tell whe ther they contained cards or not. Cross-examined : We might call over thirty letters in the morning, and perhaps a hundred in the evening. I can't tell how many were marked: I don't recollect those that were " for " were not marked ; those " against " or " doubtful " were both marked. I did not recollect the name of Stamp until it was suggested to me. I did not see any of the addresses read out to me. The letters were not confined to me in my ward, and I had to refer to other than the mere ward lists. Stamp was against us: I knew at the time this man was down on the printed list to which I referred. Stamp was not on the ward list. I knew Stamp was against us directly the name was called by the postman. All the letters were taken away. I did not know the calling over was to take place that afternoon ; it took me by surprise. When they were ushered in, I knew what to do. I had been told before, but did not know at what moment they might make their appearance. I did not know in the morning. My uncle was there,but I don't know for how long. He was there half an hour, I should think. I can't tell exactly, however. He was writing there for a short time while the letters were being called over. Twc voters came in, and we left off reading the letters. Whilst Healing was there, we also left off reading. lam now a book-keeper, and in the employ ment of Mr. M`Gregor. By the CHAIRMAN : I should think seven out of nine of the letters were marked. By Mr. BALL While Healing and the two others were, in the letters were put upon a table. The Committee broke up at a quarter to four, Mr. Bodkin stating his intention to re-examine the witness. The Committee meets this day, (Tuesday,) at eleven o'clock. TUESDAY, JUNE 7 This was the ninth day of the examination. The com mittee met at 11 o'clock, and the first witness called was Thomas Walthew, the person who was under cross examination when the committee adjourned the previous evening ; but Mr. Bodkin intimated that he would not re examine him. William Stamp, watchcase maker, residing in Bolton street, Liverpool, who voted as a householder in 1847 for Cardwell and Birch, and who before the last election said he would rote for Cardwell and Ewart, deposed that, while he got a card from the red side, he did not receive one from the Whig side. John Hickson, a freeman, voted for Mackenzie and Turner ; had three days' employment before the election from Mr. Bremner, in making out canvass-books and carrying messages ; was paid half-a-guinea for the three days by Mr. Wilkin, and received 10s. from Mr. Buck master for Sunday work done at the Central Committee rooms. Was engaged in the Royal Bank-buildings, Ex change Ward, and knew that messages were sent back wards and forwards from the Bank-buildings to the Central Committee-room by messengers appointed for that purpose. Wilkins and 'Bremner called at the Bank buildings to see how they were getting on. Was a poll clerk, acted as such in Lime-street Ward, and received a card from Mr. Bremner, on producing which the day fol lowing at Mr. Bremner's office, witness received payment for his trouble. _ _ John Quile, a physician who has been resident in Liverpool for eighteen months. was not a voter, but took an interest in the last election on the side of Mackenzie and Turner. Was a member of the committee which sat in the Great George Tavern, Pitt-street, and canvassed in the Great George ward. Mr. E. M'Keverigan was absent from none of the meetings. Had never acted on a municipal committee, but knew the committee was the municipal one. Samuel Orme, Burlington-street, Liverpool, porter for Mead, Corney, and Co., of the Shipping Gazette, was engaged by Mr. Jonas Gleave, " as outdoor clerk, mes senger, and everything in-door and out" in the Lime street ward. His in-door business was transacted at the Swan, whither he was sent by Mr. Gleave. A committee met at the Swan, at two of which meetings he was pre sent, and of which Mr. Lloyd was chairman, Gleave secretary, and Riding vice-chairman. Knew Smith, the letter-carrier, but never saw money paid to him at the Swan. On the morning of the polling-day was in Gleave's house, and saw him take thirty or forty voters up to the poll. There were coaches and cars at the Swan, but none at Gleave's."Nlr. Gleave paid him his wages. Sylvester Redmond, who said he had li;red three years in Liverpool, and was the correspondent of one London newspaper (a Roman Catholic publication, we under stand), dined at the Bee Hotel, Mr. Lawton's, on the election-day, and saw there Mr. J. Buck Lloyd and Mr. Jonas Gleave, both of them busy with voters. Daniel Warburton Kellett, stationer and printer, voted at the last election for Mackenzie and Turner. Executed work at the election time by the orders of Mr. Buck master, Mr. Bremner, and Mr. John Briscoe, the chair man of St. Paul's Ward, and also of Mr. Jackson, clerk to Mr. Charles Turner, official assignee of the Liverpool District Court of Bankruptcy, and a voter in Everton Ward. In respect of all the printing, made out a bill of £56 10s., £5O of which had been paid to him by Mr. Thomas Bold, though not before he had written to Mr. Molyneux, the chairman. Mr. Hatch also gave orders for printing. Cannot say the manuscript of the procession programme was in Mr. Bremner's handwriting, but a proof of the document was sent to Mr. Bremner as well as gave him the manuscript. He printed some for the other side, but the amount of their bill was only £1 10s. John Taylor, engaged by Mr. Rigby, chairman of Pitt-street Ward, was engaged at the committee-room at the Vine Tavern, charged is. W. per day, and 10s. for the day of the election, and was paid by Mr. Rigby a day or two after the election. He was employed as messenger. Mr. Postyn was, he believed, paid secretary. and Mr. Charles Callis deputy-chairman. Was sent twice or thrice by the committee to the central office, North John street. Sometimes he had a written and sometimes a verbal message to deliver. Has seen a gentleman named M`Keverigan at the committee-room in the Vine Tavern. Mr. Mackenzie and Mr. Turner paid a visit to the Vine Tavern one evening, and addressed the electors of the ward. He is not a voter. Is a house and ship joiner. Mr. Solomon May was occasionally at the Vine, and he had been present at meetings of the committee where coopers and shipwrights had come to, but he did not hear what took place ; when he went to the central office he did not recollect that he saw Mr. Buckmaster. Sylvester Retlmond,the last witness examined, was asked by Mr. Paget Did you hear Mr. Gleave order refresh ments for those people who had voted ? Mr. Rodwell objected to the question being at present answered. He asked the committee to adjourn the proceedings at this turn of the case, when it was about to be attempted to fix the charge of treating. He knew that at this moment his learned friend Mr. James was preparing to argue this point of the case. The Chairman immediately intimated that they quite coincided in what Mr. Rodwell had re marked as to the importance of the case, and they ac cordingly acceded to the suggestion. The proceedings then terminated at a quarter to three. WEDNESDAY, JUNE 8. Mr. Shuttleworth, town-clerk of Liverpool, was ex amined as to the arrangements made at the election. — Mr. Redmond, the witness examined yesterday, was re-called, and the following questions put to him by Mr. Paget :—Did you hear Jonas Gleave give any orders ? Witness : Yes.—What did he say with respect to treat ing I—Mr. James objected to the question, on the ground that there had been no proof of agency on the part of Gleave. He contended that the sitting members were not responsible for his acts ; and that evidence with regard to treating by him was not admissible against them.—After lengthened arguments by counsel on both sides, the room was cleared. When strangers were re-admitted, the Chairman said the committee had come to the conclusion that the facts established as to Gleave individually had proved his agency, so as to make any alleged acts by him prima facie evidence against the sitting members.—Mr. Redmond's examination continued : I heard Gleave giving orders for brandy and other liquors at the Bee, on the day of the election, for the people with him. The liquor was consumed by them. They had tickets in their hands. There was dinner, or lunch, as the case might be, provided for the same people several times that day. The house was thronged during the day. I went to the house in the morning, and dined there between twelve and oneo'clock. I dined in thecoffee-room, at the back of the bar. I returned to the house about three o'clock, when the same thing was going on. I was there again at six in the evening, after the close of the poll, when the drinking was still going on. Gleave was not there all the time. I left the house at the latest at half past eight or nine. I saw Gleave after three o'clock. I last saw him in the Rear Horse, talking to some men, but not about drink. There were five or six of us who had dinner and wine. It was not paid for by us. We wanted to pay for it, but the landlord would not take any payment. I know Miss Lawton, the daughter of the landlord, who acts as barmaid. Gleave gave her the orders, but I did not see any payment made to her. She had a slate, on which she made memoranda.—Cross. examined by Mr. Rodwell : I did not go to the Bee as a spy, but to get news which I published in London and , 1 Dublin. I published it in London in the Sunday Ti m e s . I I never spoke to Gleave. Mr. Lawton asked me to have dinner at the Bee, and I intended to pay for my dinner.— Samuel Hesketh re-called : On the morning of the polling day I went to the Derby Arms. I had something to eat, and some coffee, that morning. Gleave was there. Gleave had told me that I might go and get a cup of coffee there, and so I went. The others were eating. I paid nothing.—J. Wilson : I am a freeman of Liverpool, anti voted for the sitting members. I had something to eat at Gleave's house. I helped myself, and did not pay anything.—Millington Walthew re-called : During the election I went to Pyecroft's house, where a committee sat. Whilst I was employed at that committee I saw rareshment tickets given to various parties. Altogether there were not more than two or three that 1 saw. Mr. Watson was in the room at the time ' • I had one or two myself.—The Chai rman as k e d M r . Bodkin if he could conveniently mention all the names of those persons with regard to whom he proposed to offer proof of agency. It would be better to conclude the case against Gleave before going into that against Watson.— ) Mr. Bodkin said he mould endeavour to do so to-morrow, —Margaret Hunt : My aunt keeps the Swan, and I assist her. I know Gleave, and sew him there often during the election. No person went into any particular room at the election, as the rooms were all public. The club room is up-stairs. A clerk sat up-stairs in the club room during the election. I know Jonas Gleave; I do not think he was there. I think there were two clerks: One night, when there was a club, the clerks went into a smaller room. A glass of ale or :two was sent up in the course of the day to the clerks. Ido not know that any one kept an account of what was sent to the clerks. Sometimes I took it up myself. I was not paid for it. My aunt never kept books.—By Mr. Freshfield : I do not recollect Cleave being at the Swan in particular. He came in and out during the election. The committee ad jurned at a quarter to four o'clock. THURSDAY, JUNE The following list of persons who were alleged to be agents in treating, and the communication which accom panied it, was produced :—" The gentlemen whose agency will probably he called in question by the evidence of to morrow will be the following :—Thomas Watson, Robert Clegg, Richard Whittle Birchall, R. P. Manger, Oliver Hatch, William Rowett, Joseph Green, Edward M'Kev erigan, Humphrey Smith, William Gibson, William Fisher, of Redcross-street, William Buckley Jones, Evan Jones. Thomas Inman, Wm. Joseph Horsfall, J. B. Lloyd, George Sandford Russell, Henry Buckmaster, Edward Smith, Thomas Bold, James Parker, Thomas Williams, Edward Williams, and any publicans who may be called in reference to treating in any of the houses named in the list. You will understand that this is not a list delivered under any resolution of the committee, and that we are not in any way to be debarred from giving evi dence of treating by any person not named in this letter." John M`Nally, a freeman of Liverpool, said : I promised my vote, before the election, to Cardwell and Ewart. On the morning of election I was in company with William Bland, a freeman, and went with him to the Swan. Bland introduced me to Jonas Gleave there. Bland asked Gleave whether he might have some drink, and we had a glass of rum each. Mr. Gleave paid for it, and said he would pay for it out of his own pocket. Gleave asked for our voting papers, and we showed him our voting papers on the red side, and he asked us to go over to his own house and have breakfast. This was to the Derby Arms. We saw Gleave, and went up stairs and found plenty to eat and drink, there was beef, bread, and ale and coffee there. There were seven or eight per sons in the room. I heard a noise in other rooms. I re mained an hour before I voted. I paid nothing. I did not see any one else pay. Cross-examined by Mr, Smith. —I voted for Cardwell and Ewart. We were canvassed by each committee :—Murphy voted for Cardwell and Ewart. Bland and Taylor voted for Mackenzie and Turner. He went to the Great George Tavern with Wand and another, and got drink there, for which they did not pay. After leaving the Vine, went to Lockett's, and got nearly tipsy there, with out paying for the liquor. Got no drink at Lowe's ; it was a committee-room for Cardwell and Ewart.—William Musker, publican, in Gildart-street, keeps the Thatcher, in Lime-street ward ; had a good many voters in his house on the election day, who drank there and were taken to the poll in cars; received his orders for drink from Mr. Edward Smith ; received orders from Mr. Jonas Gleave for a committee-room for can vassers ; he had not sent in his bill, nor had he been paid. Expected Mr. Smith to pay him the bill, which amounted to £2s.—William Smith, provision dealer and letter car rier, had been a letter carrier for about three months ; took an interest at the election time in the return of Messrs. Mackenzie and Turner ; was not a member of committee, but attended at Musker's, in Finch-street ; canvassed, and reported his progress to Mr. Jonas Gleave generally. Mr. Edward Smith, brewer, Mr. Musker, himself, Mr. Parsonage, Mr. Thomas Atherton, and a great many others, attended this branch district. Saw Messrs. May, B. Lloyd, Scott, and Gleave there ; re ceived directions to go to Musker's from the general committee, at the Swan. Mr. Riding was in the chair—he was deputy-chairman ; he could not recol lect that it was from Smith he received instructions. The Chairman said there was no proof that Smith acted as an agent. A person might be a member of a com mittee without the sitting members being responsible for his acts.—John Henry Francis Curchod, landlord of the Queen's Hotel, Lime-street, said : On the day of the Liverpool election the central committee occupied part of my house. The room was used on a previous day, and was ordered by Mr. Buckmaster. Mr. Buck master was there, and his clerks. I believe I saw the chairman of the committee, Mr. Molyneux. I have been paid for the use of my rooms on the polling day. Mr. Thomas Bold paid me, three or four months after the election. I charged £5O for my house, and lost by my bargain. I received £5O. I thought it was robbery to charge £5O, but I found afterwards I lost by it. (Laughter.) The £5O included refreshments and the use of the house. —Millington Walthew was employed at Pyecroft's as a messenger from the Friday before until the election was over ; Pyecroft's is in Scotland-roal ward ; received small tickets, with a mark on them, from Mr. "Watson, after T came on the Friday. I rave two or three of those tickets away. I only received six. I received them twice. Mr. Watson was there every day ; sometimes in the evening, and sometimes not. lie acted as deputy chairman, and gave orders about making out books and lists. They were copies from the canvass hooks. I was bound to obey Mr. Watson and Mr. Clegg at the Wheat Sheaf.—What directions did Mr. Watson give you when he gave you the tickets ? Mr. RODWELL objected to the question.—The committee decided that there was sufficient evidence of Watson's agency for the examination to proceed.—Examination resumed : There was a' small oak tree printed on the cards. They were for refresh ments. If I wanted refreshments I got one of those tickets, and gave it to Mr. Pyecroft : they gave me a glass of ale. I gave away some to voters who asked for refreshments. I gave away two or three. I saw some of those tickets in Watson's hands. I did not see him with above half-a-dozen altogether. Mr. Watson gave me authority to put my initials on a small piece of paper if I wanted refreshments myself. I was also to do so for the other men and to voters. I gave those papers to about twenty or thirty voters and non-voters. I gave most of them on the day of nomination. I saw only half a dozen of those cards during the election. Altogether I did not give more than eight of those slips to voters—the rest were to non-voters—on the day of nomination. The change from cards to slips was made because Mr. Watson did not wish to be troubled for tickets, and he authorised me to give those slips. FRIDAY, JUNE 10 Millington Walthew's examination was resumed : Was engaged on the polling-day in an up-stairs room of the Wheat Sheaf, Scotland-road. Occasionally went down for refreshments. The house was full on the nomination day. He saw nothing drank and nothing paid. When he used the tickets he got a glass of ale, or a glass of wine or whiskey, as he wrote it. He gave away thirty or forty of those tickets. The voters were conveyed to the poll in cars, of which Mr. Rousson had the manage ment. Mr. Clegg was the head-clerk. Saw Mr. Watson with the voters on the polling-day, and sometimes Mr. Clarke. After the close of the poll went down stairs, and found the vaults crowded. Mr. Watson and Mr. Clegg paid him. He should say both of those gentlemen had to do with the management of the finances. He knew of an application being made to the central committee for money. A resolution was passed by the committee for Mr. Watson to make an application to the central committee for funds to defray the necessary expenses of the canvass. Did not hear in the committee-room that that application was made and responded to. Mr. Clarke was a member of the committee, and was present at the meeting relative to the money. Joseph Atkins, Mr. Bur rows, and Mr. Healing were on the committee, and can vassed and returned the names. He made an application for money, and Watson said he had none at the time. The other canvassers had money, and so had he. They did not pay for printing in the ward, and the books were supplied from the central ward. George Knowles, sailmaker, a freeman who voted for Mackenzie and Turner, knew Mr. Watson. Had been invited by him to go to Pyecroft's public-house, in Scot land ward, three weeks before the election. Saw Messrs. Watson, Clarke, and Clegg there. He went there a number of evenings before the election, and with other voters had glasses of liquor to drink, for which none of them paid. Saw a great number there on the polling day —from 100 to 200. They were eating bread and beef, and drinking ale ; and he saw no person pay. He can vassed freemen who were sailmakers, carpenters, and ropers. He was stationed at Pyecroft's by Watson. He drank whisky and ale, and did not pay for it. Received money from Messrs. Clegg, Watson, and Clarke. Re ceived 15s. for his five days' services. Saw no one else paid. The evening of the election they were called in one by one; there might be a dozen there. He received ss. more than the 15s. There was a room at the top end of the yard on the election day, where they had plenty to eat and drink. Plenty of them were full of drink, but he did not know they were freemen. He was not bribed. He worked five days pretty hard for £l. When he got the ale at Pyecroft's he was canvassing. He made appli cation to Peacock on the 19th of June, as an old freeman. JosePh Pyecroft, landlord of the Wheatsheaf, had seen Mr. Buckmaster that morning. His house was engaged as a committee-room, a fortnight before the election, by Mr. Clegg and Mr. Watson. He let the whole house to be used as they thought fit ; there was no stipulation as to payment ; he demanded nothing for it ; he made a present of the use of the house; he made his profit out of the refreshments ; that was the understanding. He had not been paid ; he applied to Mr. Clegg for £59 19s. 5d., the amount of his bill. Had got memoranda to show what was served to the working committee ; believed there were 100 persons who took part in transacting the business of the election • they did not all sit together. The £59 was for meat and drink ; there were 47 dinners. His charge for the polling day, when voters only were admitted, was £3O 19s. 2d. There might be as many as 200 voters pass into the yard where the notice was posted ; every person who had refreshments produced a ticket. No refreshments were supplied unless a ticket was ten dered. In a week or a fortnight after the election, re ceived £3O from Mr. Clegg. Had applied to Mr. legg for the balance—the last time about three months ago, when he said, " You must wait." Had called upon Mr. Buckmaster about his bill—he could not say when. He told me he could not tell me either when or where he was to get his bill ; he spoke to Mr. Watson on the subject. After the polling the committee dined at his house ; up wards of 50 dined. There were upwards of 80 persons on the committee—respectable tradesmen. Whatever he supplied, was by order of the committee. The committee themselves were not above drinking brandy and whisky. He received a few tickets from Mr. Walthew. John Bridge, keeper of the Organ Tavern, in Vauxhall ward, a freeholder and a voter, had upwards of 30 voters in his house after the close of the poll; they had something to drink, for which Mr. Thomas Williams gave the order; the amount of his bill was £ll 2s. Id. : he gave his bill to a young man who came from the office of the Constitu tional Association, in Harrington-street ; he saw Mr. Buckmaster about this bill on the first Saturday after the election ; he saw Thomas 'Williams at the Constitutional office also ; Mr. Williams and Mr. Buckmaster told me, when I called upon them, that they could not settle my ,„account then, but it would be settled in a short time ; Mr. Buckmaster did not give him any hope of the money being paid at soy particular time. Thos. W01;-m?, erdr... e 4 something at his house, Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKF. Whet was the nature of the order you received from Thomas Williams? Mr. Ropwm.r. 'n this question, The Committee decided that Williams's agency was established, and that the examination might proceed. Mr. Bridge continued : he supplied the parties with ale and spirits, and some of the persons who partook he him self knew to be voters : Williams told me to go to the ex tent of £5 on the polling day : it is a rough neighbour hood, and he was obliged to give refreshments to the other side to save his house : about 20 or 30 persons came with the canvassers. Sylvester Mathewson, who keeps the Railway Hotel, Great Howard-street, said a committee sat at his house; Mr. Williams ordered some rooms from him before the election; he had not yet been paid, although he had sent in his bill to Mr. Williams ; the bill amounted to £6O ; he charged £2 2s. for the rooms per week ; the charge was for eight weeks, £l6 Hs., and the rest was for re freshments supplied to canvassers, cabmen, some of the committee, pole-carriers, on the day of the nomination and election ; he applied several times for payment to Mr. Williams ; he supplied any person, without distinc lion of party, without pay ; he had applied to Mr. Buck master, in North John-street, Mr. Nicholson, and Mr. Bold,—the last-mentioned of whom said he had no doubt witness would be paid in time. . . . . . . Jas. Clegg, keeper of the Pontack, in Christian -street, had one of his rooms ordered by Mr. Oliver Hatch three months previous to the election. The canvassers met in this room. Mr. Birchall, a furniture-broker, was one of them. The canvassers brought their friends there. Had seen Mr. Hatch writing in a book. On the morning of the election refreshments were provided for the canvas sers. Drink was supplied during the day to Mackenzie and Turner's voters—a great many of them paying for it. Received no orders on the day of the election from any one but the canvasser. His bill, amounting to about £4O, was sent in to Mr. Hatch, and was paid after the election. Does not remember seeing any voter in the room on the polling day. Saw persons with the canvassers, but did not know any of them. lie did not see Joseph Grooby at his house previous to the election. He received no orders to give drink to any one. £25 out of the £4O was for the use of the room. Thomas Wilson, before examined, voted from the Pon tack, where ho went more than once before the election, at the solicitation of Mr. Birchall, and got his glass, like the others. This closed the proceedings of to-day. SATURDAY, JUNE 11. The first witness called was Oliver Hatch, who deposed : I am a merchant. I acted as secretary in St. Anne's Ward. I began so to act about twelve years ago. acted as secretary at the last election. I was a member of the car committee at the last election. There were about three members who attended—Mr. Lowe, Mr. Cooper, and myself. We met at the Constitutional-office, in John-street. There was a regular business room, which is a large one, there, and an anti-room. That was the central office. Those were the only rooms there that I know of. I believe another room was rented to me, but I knew nothing about it. I know Mr. Buckosaster. He did not attend the meetings of the (ar committee. I did not communicate to him what the committee did. I don't know what other members may have done. Our business was to arrange for the cars, to carry up the voters to the poll on the polling-day. I cannot say when I first went to the central office on the subject of the elec tion business. I was there most days. I can't say I communicated with any one when I went to the office. I did not go on any particular business. I took in my re. turns of the canvass, and communicated with whoever I saw there. Ido not recollect that I communicated conti nually with Mr. Buckmaster concerning the state of my canvass in St. Anne's Ward. ' I left my returns with him. I cannot say why I gave the returns to him rather than to any one else. I communicated with whoever I saw. The rooms were up stairs. I went into that room to see the voting-cards. I did not get the voting cards there. They were sent through the post-office. I was present at the meeting of the Ist April. I was on the nomination com mittee, the procession committee, which was a separate committee from the car committee. The members of the committee were Mr. Crowther, the chairman, Mr. J. B. Cooper, Mr. Wadham, and some others. We engaged the bands for the procession. I saw the estimates for the expense of the bands. That was when the parties were called in. I did not see the estimates before. There were no papers sent in at all. The parties were called in individually, and asked what they would supply bands for. lam not aware that any one took a note of the amounts mentioned. I was in the chair. There was no agreement signed. There were agreements for the hire of the cars for the conveyance of the voters in St. Anne's Ward. The central committee had the return of these arrangements for providing the cars sent into them. The number of cars required they obtained from me, from my canvass. T managed the canvass. I never called the attention of the committee to the inconvenience of having a placard outside to the effect that there was a committee, where there was in fact none. I don't remember there were placards all over the town stating who were the chairman. vice-chairman, and secretary for each ward. Mr. T. Parker, Mr. Ho/den, and Mr. Birchall were can vassers ; so was Mr. Clegg ; also Mr. Hobb. They took districts as canvassers. Mr. Nicholson may have come in at the meetings of the canvassers, but I am not aware that he had a district. The canvassers met, almost every evening, at eight o'clock. I made arrange ments with Mr. Clegg for the use of his house. I got £lO from Mr. Bold to pay Clegg. I received from Clegg a written account. I paid it. I kept it for some time myself until last November, when I destroyed it, having paid him another account. I knew the petition against the return had been presented ; but I never had the remotest idea that, with 1,400 majority, there was any probability of that petition being prosecuted. I gave Mr. Bold a receipt for the £4O. The municipal election takes place on the Ist of November ; and I generally get in the bills as soon as possible afterwards and discharge them. I keep the bills from one election to another. I always keep the last bill. I told Mr. Clegg I should want his rooms as usual. There was no particular agreement for the hire of his room , . If I had them for a few days only I should give him £5 ; but, if 1 had them for thirteen weeks, I should pay £25. There were two rooms, one smaller than the other. I got writing-paper from the central office ; also, the canvass-books and burgess-roll. I paid the whole of the expenses; not only Mr. Clegg's £lO, but the whole. There was some car-hire that I paid for, but I did not pay for the cars employed by the car committee of the ward. I also paid for the refresh ments to the canvassers on the day of election. I paid the travelling expenses of several persons, and for sta tionery. I paid persons for carrying flags on the nomina tion-day. There were sixty or seventy persons engaged to carry flags. I took down the names of the persons who carried flags when the flags were delivered to them. I can not tell who made the arrangement for the distribution of the flags. The persons who carried flags came for them at night. One man could not carry one flag. Some oft hem required six or eight men to carry them. There were not sixty or seventy flags of that description. I destroyed the list of the flag-bearers at the time I destroyed Clegg's ac count. I destroyed it because I felt sure that, after the lapse of so long a time, no further claim would be made for the five shillings. I paid them five shillings a-day out of the money I got from Mr. Bold. There were no painted staves with orange ribbons attached to them in our ward. I would not have allowed such things. Nothing of the sort was arranged in other parts of the town. The chair man set his face against it. I believe an intimation was made by some Orangemen that they wished to carry their colour. There were a great many paper flags carried in our ward by boys and other persons, but no payment was made to them. I received £2O from Mr. Bold on the day of the nomination. I saw him at his own office. He gave it me in sovereigns. After that I received £lO from him. I was at the Pontack the greater part of the following day. Canvassers were there superintending the transmission of voters in cars to the poll. Mr. Birchall and Mr. Manger were amongst them. I saw no eating and drinking going on at the Pontack during the day. When I went down stairs there were a great number of persons about the bar and other places. There was no drinking at all in the room where I was, and I did not see any drinking going on in other parts of the house when the canvassers were present. I did not order the refreshments which were charged in Clegg's bill. Clegg provided them. The bill was divided thus : £25 for hire of the room, and £l5 for refreshments. The canvassers consumed the £l5 worth of e mo derate. refreshments,rconsumledsomeconsi dere dmyself. t s h elf. Someecharge of the extremelyr no d can vassers grumbled because they had not enough to eat and drink, but I cannot say who they were. Mr. Birchall, Mr. Holden, Mr. Manger, and Mr. Nicholson consumed refreshments. I did not ask Mr. Clegg to provide the refreshments. He did so of himself. I considered that Clegg would provide refreshments for all persons who acted as canvassers and in bringing voters up. I heard no order given at all for beer to be carried out by the can vassers. Cross-examined by Mr. M. SMITH : I gave no autho rity whatever to Mr. Clegg to supply refreshments to voters • nor did I mean, in paying this bill, to sanction refreshments to voters. There were many persons en gaged as canvassers whom I do not recollect. If they had gone home to their houses for refreshments much time would have been lost. I received £BO and £2O from Mr. Bold, but he gave me no orders to provide refresh ments for any one. I was manager of this ward at the election. The canvassers did nothing else than canvass. I was my own secretary and committee. I was on the car committee, and on the nomination committee. The bandmasters were introduced one by one. I was in the room when Grooby was called in. I believe I myself mentioned him to the committee. He came to me some time before the election, and asked me if I would employ him and the band, and I said I would recommend him to the committee. When Ile came to me, I never asked him about his vote. As he had always voted for one party at the municipal election, I felt sure he would vote for one candidate on that occasion. I recommended the com mittee to employ him. The estimate for Joliffe and Stubbs' bands were £l5 each. Grooby's was £l2; but the committee decided on paying him £l5, as it might create dissatisfaction and unpleasantness if Grooby came to discover that the others were paid £l5. Mr. Troutbeck stated that; and when Grooby came he was told that he should have £l5, the same as the others. To Mr. WILLIAMS : I don't remember that Stubbs or Joliffe was told that Grooby offered the services of his band for £l2. To Mr. M. SMITH : Mr. Bremner did not tell Grooby that, if he would vote for Mackenzie and Turner, he should have £l5 (that was £1 a man) for his hand, instead of the £l2, which was the amount of his estimab. _ _ To Mr. WILLIAMS : Grooby sUI - )pliedi;o bands, I be lieve. I don't know how many bands were engaged. To Mr. BALL ; I was present when Grooby was called, and I think he said he had two bands. To the CHAIRMAN : Mr. Bremner did not say that Grooby's estimate was £l2 for fifteen men ; but, if he would give his vote, he should have £1 a man. To Mr. M. SMITH : Nothing whatever of the sort was said ; end if Grooby has stated that there was, he tells what is false. Grooby was not asked if his band could play " Croppies lie down" and " Boyne Water." The rh'3'man would not allow enything of the sort. The same resolution was come to by the coconlittc3 as to party tunes that they had arrived at ;'vith regrrd to Orange flags. FheydeterrrOned not to sitow . any party tunes to be played, and their reason was that a number of Orangemen had applied for permission to join the procession. The earl - about ti , i-reen weeks in my ward. Somebody told me that my name was on the committee, but J never acted on tint committee, or gave authority to any one to piece my name upon it. P.c-ewr‘ined by Mr. MACAULAY ; Of the three bend., masters I employed two ; estimated the charge at £l 5, and the third at £l2. I sent wor d to Grooby to attend the committee. Grooby was a voter in St. Anne's Ward. I don't remember seeing him at the central office after wards, waiting there whilst I was present. I might. cannot say whether I did or did not. I don't remember that I came out, and, shaking my head, told him that wa could not give him employment. I believe, after he applied to me, I told him to meet me at the central office. I recommended him to the committee, and put his name down for the band. I put his n ame d own , i n order that when the bands were engaged his should be one of tlaern• I remember Groo by coming to me at my office, and ask: ing me to have his band employed, and I said I would bear it in mind. Gribben, anothe r b an d- mas t er , was no t employed, because it was known to the committee that be belonged to the opposite party. He was not in the room five minutes, and he was told that he was not wante d ' Grooby was the only man that I took any interest in' Grooby offered his band first for £l2 ; then the other s came in and offered theirs for £l5 each. I said nothing to the other two. Nobody asked Grooby if he could p 197 " Croppies, lie down ;" nor was that question put ta Joliffe and Stubbs. To the CHAIRMAN: When Grooby came to me first, o said he wanted employment generally. That was before the band was mentioned. I told him I wou ld b ear i t in min d ' To Mr. WILLIAMS : I was told that some of the can: vassers could not get refreshments at Clegg's, and that they were obliged to go to the other side of the street to procure them. To Mr. BALL : Several of the canvassers were indepen' dent persons, and were not paid. There were otherh however, who were paid. To Mr. FRESHFIELD : Many persons volunteered t ( / canvass, and the number increased as the election ar proached. Many additional ones volunteered on the Jar of polling. Grooby at first wanted employment generally it was afterwards he mentioned the subject of his b a nd,. To Mr. BALL : Mr. Birchall act e d as a canvasser . ll e was a vounteer, and unpaid. I am not aware, it never came to my knowledge, that he invited persons to 01 0 refreshments. To the CHAIRMAN: There were 754 electors in MI ward, and there voted for Turner 321, Mackenzie 30Sf Cardwell 258, Ewart 240. Thomas Wilson re-called, and examined by M r .PAGE I ' I stated yesterday, when under examinatio n , th a t I wage" , the Pontack on the day of the nomination and the day 0 the poll. Mr. PAGET : Had you any refreshments there ? Mr. JAMES objected to the question being put, and the itness was ordered to withdraw. Mr. JAMES said that when the witness was under els" mination yesterday, the committee held that the questioll ' could not be put • and he contended th a t no thi n g 10 ` since been elicited to justify it being put now. Mr. Sergeant KINGLAKE argued that at the Pontacif there was a room used for the conduct of the election 00 behalf of the sitting members; that Mr. Oliver fl a teb , who was there as secretary to that committee-room, St in constant communication with the central committee' room, and that all that was done there was recognized bi the central committee. Further, according to the eat dence of the landlord, (Clegg,) it appeared that the ca w vassers had ordered drink and refreshments to he given to persons whom he believed to be voters in that very roam' He held, therefore, that counsel for th e s itti ng me mber' had a perfect right to go into this part of the question. t , Mr. JAMES: Why, it was decided y es t er d a y by 0 : committee, and, indeed, acquiesced i n by th e l earn ed se' geant, that, until he proved some mare agency than 13e had done, his learned friend could not ask the witness ° question about what he had to eat and drink. The CHAIRMAN : What passed in the mind of the col li t . mittee, when they held that the qu e sti on cou ld no t be P.t l ; was that the learned counsel for th e p e titi oners wa s go o3 ° on the ground of the presumed agency of Birchall. Mr. JAMES It was almost conceded by the lesril, s ,` sergeant, yesterday, that they could not establish Birchsh agency. And what had occurred since to establish ,it' It simply appeared from the e v ide nce g i ven ' o -day tL' at Birchall was a canvasser, of who m th ere were a gre' ,t d many, but no proof whatever that Birchall had receiv e s any authority to order refreshments to persons. It 10 „f for the petitioners, then, to est a bli s h t o th e sa ti s f a ction the committee prima facie evidence of agency. If Birch? were an agent, so also was ev er y one o f th e s i x ty, eigl; or one hundred other canvasse r s w h o were engage d forth o sitting members, and in th a t case th e ac t s o f an y o f the might unseat those gentlemen. H e s u b m itt e d that tbe r , was no evidence before the committee of Birchall's ,genet, nay, he would go further and say, nor any evidence wiry ever that the witness Wilso n h a d an ythi ng t o ea t o r dr's by order of any person who was satisfactorily establisue to be an agent. The room was then c l eare d, an d th e pu bli c excidd e , cl 4 whilst the committ ee d e lib era t e d upon t hi s po int " three-quarters of an hour. On being re-admitted, The CHAIRMAN stated that it was the opinion of committee that Oliver Hatch was such an agent for Co ducting the election in St. Anne's Ward as to make f l l dence admissible with regard to refreshments supplied ,s the nomination and the polling days to voters introduce by canvassers recognised b 7 Hatch. f i r , PAGET : I went to the Pontack because I was sent tleris„, The witness was then re-called and examined by to get some allowance. I saw Mr. Birchall on the p oi.n aware that morning before I went to the Pontack. bar when I went to the Pontack. am not I don t think had any conversation with him then. breakfast at ,rink. I got my, was by when 1 got the the Pontack. It was before 1 polled that I saw him e ...; got my breakfast before I polled. I saw him by th before I got my breakfast. I saw him at the bar. in', a ,t t tslaiye who o ta th ck e Birchall canvassed me. I told him I had promised 03 1 3 vote, and I told him who I meant to vote for. The res.°, I went to the Pontack was, that when he canvassed 1 : 0 " I saw him by trla., he ß s y aid m h r e . p w A o G ul E d r s : ee l m ca e n were in the room I got my breakfast in. There were 0 11 freemen there. fr ee The CHAIRMAN: How do you know they were * persons were s ' l l men ? You say you did not know them ? Witness : They said they were freemen. By Mr. PAGET : I polled early in the morning. I coj not say whether I saw Birchall at the Pontack art er bo voted. I went to the poll in a coach. I don't know wd put me into the coach.. Wilson went with me and vo' r e with me. He came back with me in the coach. 113 l ip was a man to take us up to the poll. I don't know ' he was. He came back with us. Mr. PAGET Did he order anything for your g d Mr. M. SMITH : I object to the examination contintl by Mr. Paget. porY Witness : I cannot say how long I remained at the - tack after I came back from voting. I don't think tbe man who took me up to the poll was in the room with „70 , when I breakfasted. There were other men in the ro,V I don't know who they were. The only man who P°,; - 0 , w tar i c t rk l . l Bamlioer alone. Anwi. was at aB ti rt there chhea w bn a aw s r ,alsdon't Wilson. oo nt ,wt know hn l omw w e e w. n t to the „ a " ft hall me. It was some time before the election th h a eW t thh A eer :r h . C l l ll chall first told me to go to the Pontack. He did not tell me that I was to go and vote from the Pontack. I ° P I I said I would go up to the poll from the Pontacli. 3 , don't know what he said when I told him that. I cl?;,• know whether he assented or dissented. it was in P nover-street where I told him this. Mr. PAC:ET What passed between you and Doi Birchall when you told him you would vote from Pontack ? fle6 s Mr. M. SMITH objected to the question. The iv ,a had already stated all he recollected. The CHAIRMAN : The witness has already told can't remember. It is a long time ago since it occurt r of Examination resumed : I met Mr. Birchall afteric a n d between his canvassing me and the polling-day, but 1 " no conversation with him further that I can recollect' tl f o Mr. PAGET : Why, can't you recollect whethero saw Mr. Birchall at the Pontack after you breakfaste d ' Mr. M. SMITH again objected to the question. tell The CHAIRMAN said the witness had already arts° the question to the best of his recollection. „ t Mr. PAGET : Did you p a y f or y our b rea kf a s t Pontack ? Mr. M. SMITH : I object to that. The CHAIRMAN : The witness had better withdr° The witness having left the room, tba Mr. PAGET submitted that the question was wit.h!hao,o scope of the resolutions of the committee. lie haas l 9 ,: that the witness was canvassed by Birchall. WO shown that he had conversation with Birchall at the r ,eo: the canvassing took place, and that the Pontack was "OP tioned, and he had shown that in consequence of id gO was said to him by Birchall, the witness said he WO to the Pontack. The CHAIRMAN : That is not the effect of t„, 1 100 1 ; ness's evidence. What he said was that he told tit! r a oC° that he would go to the Pontack. There is no el l that Birchall said anything about it. 't ij r. eaws w g ptß tny h o l oa a i \i e d r d s a n t t c re i et st i r ct wl : e eeo :• a s . rA t ts e s w h : G T aaa i iEh c f h dt i tT e o l e eh i, m r r m : e t e ch h iwl i t e a ' s ß h ee t hadeseni h uv r rte ee b e l . r t:n w y obai e ie r tit ln e e h y n a t wte e s h u la O e fi P p se n nk : t f e d n o o ds p ß,t r i v a ot rfi b o c i : : e t kc a ra e l n l i ti i hh e: a l in a y: hi .n ist i e e d n cc vw : y a d s t d i 111:1 0 :;1 go d had ha ac mra k ea o kp n flaas t e l t ie morning of the 111 da came b that b e itO place, that th th a e t r h e, e Bsairwchßaiirichbaelilngatbtyhethebabra, Ole time. tha M t lie saw him : e that./sTreo,sehveerdaildtnimotessayauring the d ay , Mr. PAG ET : He said he saw Birchall by the bat , bil l , he said he could not say how late he aaw him ther e ' O A ' have proved that Birchall was active in the canva ss !! t 3 he canvassed the witness ; that when he canvas se " something was said about polling from the P o ntae•oil l 4 have proved that he went to the Pontack on the we t t' a of the polling-day ; that Birchall was there ; tht 9 o3 witness went up from the Pcntack to thepo ll ; e polo got his breakfast there; and now I ask whether 11100 for that breakfast ? Surely that is a question I el l right to put. ~ tbe c)(' Mr. FRESHFIELD: I do not see anything 10 „0 9 •01 dence to fix Birchall with what took place at the Oto The CHAIRMAN : There is nothing to fix Bire'titigg any knowledge of the transaction. Th er e is eat ott'ij show a recognition on his part of what took P ec Pontack in regard to the voter. The quest loo therefore bSMITH e irregular. ha ve Mr. M. : I think sir, I am entitled to 0, part of the evidence struck out from the notcs• ig ce loG The CHAIRMAN : don't know how far tha-.,0 t A sistent with the ordinary practice. It seems to 170te510 the matter will be better explained by leaving the,oteo they are. It will show then that an objection waistted to the course of evidence, and that it was not per''' continued. tter il o o Mr. M. SMITH : My object only i s thonvie, I should be called to the matter. That being ooe hi the hands of the committee. , e The CHAIRMAN :We will let the evicLene. og r oo t the notes. It will explain itself. It is now' s_ e jt e tter hour we fined for adjer—ning. 1 think we 113" tb re° go any further to-day. ' mi tes t o The committee then adjourned, at f`" l rr; THE CUSTOMS' AUTHORITIES IIOW allow (r e br oiAp t , of passengers from Paris by the ma il train t° " o rder i 5 to London without examination at Dover , in ina tiolg prevent detention in the latter place. The exl im .„ . .bl l " made by officers from the Customs, at the Lon v station of the South-Eastern ComP4llY*