The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-11-11 00:00:00

THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. inclinations; but wiiiil s rplacel hint -where his services would be more available. The o Mayoit said the,council had beard both sides, and they, perbitPi'would come to a decision whether they would ex cuse Mr. Lawrence or not. The Council then, by a large majority, decided that Mr. Law ranee shonld serve. Mr.'Councillor LEIGH objected to be on the watch cominit: tee, because he was on the paving and sewerage committee, and he was afraid the duties of the two would clash. Mr. Councillor W A ',SISLEY said it wag on the contrary very 'desirable to-have on the watch committee a member who was alio on the paving committee. Mt.'Counciller livrtinoolit said he did not like to speak of parties in that council-roin; but a great deal had been said by the opposite party respecting the management of the police, mid he thought that the conservatives should themselves have a practical proof of that management by being placed on the com mittee. Mr. Councillor So AND said he was very' happy to devote all his spare time to the committee, but he was afraid that he would be principally engaged with his defies as churchwarden, so as to prevent him giving that attendance which was necessary. r. Councillor SilaND was elected with this proviso. Mr. Councillor BIBBY also begged to have his name with drawn. His various avocations in life would prevent his at tending to the duties, of which also he was thoroughly ignorant. Mr. Councillor RATHBONE said that was the most extraor dinary objection he had heard. Members who had volunteered to come into the council ought not to urge that their private business was to interfere with their peblie duties. Mr. Councillor Bliley said he had no ambition to come into the council. If it was the will of the council that he should be compelled to do the duties of this appointment—he must. The Mayon said that it was the law that all who! mine into that room must take a part of the business of-the town. Mr. Alderman EVANS said he could not help observing that this was not a very favourable specimen of the new members. ( A laugh.) If th'ey went by the exainple of the old members, they would find that every one of them lied made his private business subordinate. They had made great Sacrifice's of time, and all of them had lost money, from the very nature of this. Amid-now, Mr. Bibby, and other Members, were declaring their inability to attend, and their incompetency, and still they would come into that council. Mr. Bibby was then elected. Mr: Alderman ROBINSON then moved, the whole of the mem bers having been elected seriatim, that the watch coininittee should be a eemmittee for the lighting and cleansing of the old borough, and also for the lighting of the cow borough, which was seconded bale Mr. Councillor Currie, and adopted M r. Councillor Chas. LAWRENCE said that he should certainly now, when elected on this committee, endeavour to do his duty. (Applause.) After the remarks made by Mr. Evans and Mr. Reiliben e , he could not but take upon himself to say, that the resollitions of the meetiug on Monday were so much at variance with-the openingof Mr. Robinson's speech and the proceedings eof that day, that it was impossible for the council not to be aware that they should wish to decline serving, after the manner,in 'whichthey had been treated on Monday. FINANCE Co.IIMITrEE. Mr. Cauncillor. BOLTON in pursuance of a notice of motion, rose to propose the appointment of the finance committee. He said he need not dwell on the greatimoortance of that body.— Inohe formation of the list which he should have the honour to submit to them, two prieciples had been acted upon. The first was, to give the preference to those whose attendance on the last coniintttee had been most frequent and regular, and the second was, to put on the committee so many of their new mem bers as would be a fair-proportion to represent the two parties into which the town was- divided. He should first read the names, of those whose attendance had teen most frequent==- Messrs. Birch, Bolton, Brown, J. Holmes', and' H. Lawrence. The other members whom he should propose were Messrs. Maxwell, M'Gregor, T. Smith, Stuart, Currie, L. Heyworth, Bibby, Blackburn, Meon, and Leigh. Mr. Councillor LEIGH demurred to the appointment. Mr., Couneilllor Bracts begged to move Mr. Shand asnn amendment, which called forth a:remark from Mr. Evans—that if there were any one among them who could afford to give up a portion of his titue,..itovas- surelythe richest martin Liverpool. Mr. Councillor BIRCH then withdrew' his amendment, and the whole of the:aboveinentioned members were elected. lAJP.ROVF.SIENT CoSISIITTEE. • Mr. Councillor Hoez rose in pursuance of a notice to move the appointment of the improvement committee. He said there was no committee which was of more importance in its results tothetawn than this. As laat-year their numbers were not to extend beyond nine, therintended that arose individuals-who had been most regular in their attendance should stand first on the list this year; while th.eyshould dispense with the services of those two who had been most frequently absent; though in doing so, they made no complaint against those individuals, whose services, on the contrary,' they regretted to lose. The present Mayor was also taken off the list, as he would be a member of the committee ex qfficio: The first name which ap peared was that of 'their valued. ex Mayor, Mr. W. W. Currie. The names of "the four who had most frequently attended were Messrs. H. H o l mes , B arc l a y , H ope, an d H orn b y. The others proposed were Messrs. Booth, Shand, Jones, and Platt. The above names *ere severally put, and the-parties appointed. TOWN 'DUES COSIIIITTEE. Mr~Councillot LAWRENCE HEYSVORTH rose for the purpose of naming the persons to be members of this committee, as lot= lows:—Messrs. Platt, Birch; Brown, James Heyworth o Lea thorn, and Ramsdell. The several names were put, and the parties elected:" _ . Mr. Councillor Janss HEYWORTH' said, it had been stated that gentlemen who had - voluuteered their services, and 'carne into that council, acted with a bad- grace-in - declining the duties which necessarily devolved on-such an appointme n t. lie nets one of ,those whodid not, solicit the honour:of coming into the council; and, therefore, the argument could not, with any great force, come against himself. Bnt though he-stood in rather an unusual situation e he was perfectly aware that, having accepted that appointment to which•his constituents bad elected 'him,- he must take a share in the duties of the council; and-he shbuld not. shrink from lending his services to this or any other corn , mittee, to any extent -that his services would in any degree be useful. But he hoped the multiplication of his duties would not be, to such an extent as to dilute in a great degree the little timo,-and talents, and energy he had to devote to them.-( Hear.) There was one .observation he had to -srate,--that there seemed to,be that -day a -singular liberality in the infusion-of some of the new members into the honourable position of teking part in e the duties of committees. This had•-not been exectly the principle - laid down on Monday last; in - regard to the Deck' Committee. If he could have seen the same spirit displayed on that:occasion, he would have-deemed it as a happy omen of the spirit of unanimity with which this council. was actuated—a spirit which might have made it,-not only very pleasaneto each member, but might also have made their common• appointment exceedingly beneficial to the town. Mr. Councillor RATHEONN -and Mr. Alderman- EVANS bOtil' started up the same motnent. The Meyon, however; called on Mr. Alderman EVANS. He said, Mr. Heyworth - had again' alluded to the subject of the Dock Committee election,- by re-• ferring to it-as an-example of party feelitig in the council, which has the direction and choice of that committee: He begged he might , have the -attention of the MAYOR, without the light of whose countenance he could not get on. It happened on that questio n Chat an amendment had been moved on his name; although he expected an amendment to be moved on other names, it never onco occurred to him that it would be moved on his name. It created in his mind some little difficulty—it raised a point of delicacy—whether or not he could get up, and' resist an amendment which went to substitute another person for him self. He referred to a friend at hand, in whose opinion and judgment he had the greatest confidence ; and he' was of °Pinion that he had better not refer to it; and that was the reason that he had lost that great opportunity of getting up, in order to show the nature of the trust they were going to impos e u p on him, and to warn the council o f wha t injury might be dune by party power, if they were elected into this committee by com bating with others. After they had once -elected them, they would not be amenable to that council. He would have told them that one of them, influencing others, might have combined with the enemies - of the council, who,- whilst- representing that - council, as they were at the time--the very chairman that con ducted the opposition of the Dock Trust against them, was, a t that very moment, representing that opposition jest as much as Mr. Solomon was in care of the Town-hall, at' held alle giance to the corporate estate. He used medical language— there was a solution ., of continuity. He would say, witness what he had done in getting the whole conversion of he corporate estate. What had the chairman of the Dock '['rust done e After having aided in making up a - bill excluding the corpora tion- from all participation in the- Dock excludinge euently)—he had the heads of the bill there, excluding them from this—and adding a clause which many might deem calce : lated not to admit a member of the council—that the council were not to be deemed qualified for superintending the' Dock Trust. That was the only boon that was intended trebecon ceded to them! But the corporate interest ifiethe eeotporate property was to be entirely dispensed with. Thet -gentleman, Mr: Lawrence) ought either to have abandoned- his post, or he ought to have considered himself in honour bound to main tain the corporate interest. The heads •of that bill had been out a whole week before - ever the ceeporation gut to look at them. They were handed to every one;•excepting the council, who might have been supposed to have an interest in them. There was an indecency in the thing. After that, the idea- was given up that they could exclude - the council, and the -trust agreed to give them a meeting —not a meeting of one acknowledged body with another—(vehemently)—they could not - get it. The corporation of Liverpool were denied - a meet ing with the dock committee of management—except with gen: tlefnen coining from a bOdy that had no legal existence what ever. Then. observe the effect of this. These gentlemen were appointed by the committee otmanaeementin such a manner that they could' never have conic into the conitnittee-room, without undergoing the sensation that they were come there to do something to oppose the corporate members: Well, they cause there. Afterwards they acquainted Mr. Lawrence, the chairman of the' committee,' that they had had the first legal advice—(the Attorney-Genetal and others)—and then they were given to understand (what was- a new •feint altogether) they were afterwards told by Mr. Lawrence, " We are here be tween you and the rate-payers." Actually! between the cor poration who had named them, anal the rate-payers. Th e y were nobody. They were not incorporated. They were not a body - , to put in the other scale, in order to weigh down the cor poration. • But this was their position—they , wanted -an umpire • to '-decide 'between what was 11°i - equal; The one who was ap pointed actually to serve the dock power and- influence was noinicated as au amendment to time. He met him linked with the enemies of municipal reform, in the corridors of the House of C omm ons, which he had filled with attorneys and hostile wit- • nesees. He found he had actually laid the were lle had been speaking of facts. He would now add his opinion, that, if Mr. Lawrence had acted as he ought to have clone, they should' have Lad uo trouble. If he had been a mere umpire, they should hate had no law-suit. They would' have saved for the corporation .£3,000 or £,1,000, and the same sum fot the dock trust. He declared that Mr. Lawrence was the s(ec cause of the 'lose of that money. He thought it would have beets better' if his name had not been noticed; because it would ha-•e looked as if the council had acted in a party spirit. But it was - his object to show that the council could nor have -done otherwise—th e t it was exceedingly improbable and impossible that they could - en . - tertian a proposition that they might hive a majority on the conservative side. He wculd fiut it to them—could they n eer e_ pate a gentleman who had attempted to destroy the influence of the corporation? If they had done so—if they bed tweet him--what would. "have been the result? Why they would have .stultified themselves, if they had authorised and teeetioned, and approved of all his conduct. Could anything, e.e.alore monstrous than this ; if even thecouncil was conserve- There were three matters which 'surprised hint. He had br T i '! slightest per s on a l antipathy to Mr. Lawrence-; and he Levee als o t h at hi s pr i vate c h aracter - was un i mpeac h a bl e. But its his p fer c ensur e u b l , ic ch arac t er h e ;thought there was ample gr o und ' dock conm litteeut in n one more so th an i n hi s con d uct on t h e M r. Councillo r C. T eseweerece then ro'se— Ali OR Illtertered Mr. Alderman .Evetvs * said lie would only speak one word ! D iv:cr. .1! ;e YOR said Mr. eleewertli had provoked the war, and he.goeld not complein. Mr. Alderman E VANS then continued. --Mr La• • , l ie pot comp i a i n _ r ,b e had provoked what his addressoocl cries .of ci11e3 4 ,. , nn; ' —7o h Lee,: at I wherein he 51101$ at Us, and glories in his e rit!ht")___. 14teM pt to shackle our power. Mr: Connelllot COM. AN here rose. He regretted that the subject had been brought forward ; but Mr. Evans had been ii a great degree provoked by the comments of Mr. Heyworth, accusing that council of partisanship in rejecting gentlemen for some committees, and of extreme liberality in choosing them for others. He regretted it because the subject was not connected with the questiou- before the council. That day had been de creed fur much other business— , they had much better not waste two or three hours in discussint,• the merits of the gentlemen forming the dock committee. The council were or were not Competent to choose the members. I t was their duty to bow to the decision of the majority who hail decided the question, he thought it did not come with a good grace to accuse the majo rity of that council with illiberality. They might think a gen tleman not so fitted to serve in one situation as another. Some were fitted for one department and not for another. They might think Mr. Heyworth had the eyes of an Argus, and was fitted for the watch committee, but they might not think him fitted for the dock committee. Still they were there; they were the individuals to decide, and whether correctly or not they had the power, and he trusted they should always exercise it in a fair and impartial manner. He thought they ought not to be called in questio❑ because they chose this gentleman or the other. Mr. Councillor C. LiwiteNce said he would not enter there into a defence of his conduct. He should not have interfered at all had pot a remark in the introduction of Mr. Rathbone's -speech of Monday stated, that they had selected the members of the committee for their .political views. (Mr. Rathbone, •" No, no," and cries of " Yes, yes..") He would not trouble them- with the defence of his conduct as a member of the clo,ck committee. He was satisfied that he had done what was right. Mr. Councillor J. H erwouTrt here rose, bull was assailed with loud cries of " spoke, chair, spoke." The M A roe said it was , a rule that no gentleman should speak twice except in explanation. Mr. Councilhir J. H EY WORTH said he was perfectly aware of that; he had been reminded of it no Monday by the late Mayor: He thought it only due to himself that he should say he had in stituted no comparison between Mr. Lawrence or any other member of the committee who had been appointed. He did not even object to the list of those members who were sent into the dock committee. He merel♦ spoke of the great disparity which existed between the lists of members electedon committees that day and on Monday. Mr. Alderman liontNsort rose to order. Mr. Hevworth's speech was anything but an explanation. The MAYUR thought it was an explanation of some particu lar point. Mr. Councillor J. , HavwonTa said he merely drew a compa • rison between the lists of committee-men-that day and on Mon day. lie said nothing about Mr. Lawrence; he bud his 'cha racter in his own keeping. Mr. Councillor 1 - t•ATroolig rose amidst great confusion, and cries of "spoke,. spoke." He said' he , shotild not have ad dressed them, but as au , assertion had been made which had been put into his mouth; which he had never uttered, lie'should , beg to explain. When he introduced•the list of the dock coin mitiee, he expressly stated that those had been chosen , who would hold the supremacy of the town of Liverpool in the ad ministration of their own affairs, especially in reference - to the dock estate. There was no reference to party whatever. He only wished to give the words—let gentlemen make what use of -it they chose, (On referring to our reporter's shortiltagdnotec , of what Mr. Rathbone did say, the words-he uttered were—" give iu the -list of names selected tog() down as dock committee -men—of course following the proceeding- laid down by tie Town-clerk, thar each must be balletted.for ; and if ahrgentle man-objects to the names that:are put down. it-is at his' option to do so; I must state that this selection of names has been made with reference to those who will maintain the supremacy of the town of Liverpool in:the management of their own affairs.") MARKET COMMITTEE. ...•-•••,•••• Mr. Councillor Jo ROAN proposed , that the•following:gentle men form the above committee-- Messrs. H. Holmes, Dun can, Evans, Thornhill, Bibby, Fr euie , an d Jordan. Agraed to. BY-LAW COMMITTEE Mr. Alderman rittowx proposed that the names of Messrs: ;141ason.and Houghton, be added to those or the old conimit- Aeo—the committee to consist of Messrs. Brown, 0. Hey 'worth; Birch, Houghton, Mason, Duncan, and Morecroft. Agmed,to. TOWN-HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. 'rho Town-clerk read the - first resolutions of the Council relative to the alloWance to the •Mayur; and-the mode of its dis posal. Mr. Councillor Rawnori proposed that the following gentle men should compose the comrnittee—Messrs. Currie, Bonn, G. ,Holt, Rawdon, and Houghton. Mr. Councillor.John H01.111E9 moved that the Mayor have an allowance of £2oooas had before been voted, which was seconded by Mr. Alderman Barclay. Mr..thiuncillor. MAxwtLL thought it was 'a gteat deal too 'much, but as he supposed he should stand alone in the opinion, he- would not found any motion on. it. Mr. Councillor Jamas LAwaaNcn said an objection had been made that the sum named was too much. He conceived that taking into consideration the• magnificence of the Town of Liverpool,-nod the.dignity and hospitality-which the Mayor had to nupport,-thatit was not too much, and fie was quite favourable to it. EDUCATION 'COMMITTEE. Mr. Councillor RATHBoNe rose, in pursuance of a notice, to movk the appointment of , the Education , Committee. In so doing.he begged to offer a few remarks. He deeply regretted that the political warfare should have been conducted on the edhcation of the people. He thought it was a sobject on which' there should not have been any political feeling whatever, where the welfare, both present and future, of the poorer portion of the people is concerned Ile thought they-should; on such a- sub ject as that, throw aside all political -feelings, and, most of'all, throw aside - all misrepresentation and falsehood. He was pre pared to state that the protestant children in theseschools would be made as good churchmen as in any school in• Liverpool, he -did not care where it was. He wa s prepared to state; also, that these children would be as welt re a d in - the bible, that book which it had been asserted, over and over again —(with great vehe mence)—falsely asserted, he must say,—knowingly, falsely asse.ted—(clapping his. hands with extraordinary vehemence) — had been excluded from those schooli—as- any children in Liverpool.. It was their wish in - this election'tothave put some toties on the school committee, wishing that-they should know something on' that subject on which therhad - said so much, and be prepared to offer some opinion upon it. It the system was wrong, it was high time it should be made right. Let - those who spoke on the subject know of what they spoke. Let those who had asserted that the Bible was not in the school,' at honest men; and they called -upon them as Christians, come and see -before they made such assertions. He had a light to call on them, as- honest men, and as people professing the meek'precepts of the christian religion, , to do so:' He would not take up their time; he had spoken warmly on the subject because lie felt earnestly. It was to him no political question, and it never should be; but-when he sawchildren going about barefooted and ragged,.nay worse,- he must state, of moral de gradation, brought 'into the police-office, he felt mcist anxions that they should be saved finch that degradation. He had no hesitation 'in avowing him Self a -Unitarian dissenter;- but• he did, atlthe same time, say, - and he had the -confirmation of Mr. Charles florsfall, who he was sorry was not present to bear him out, that he had never brought his sectarian principles into that school. So far from that, when they - could not get clergy men to perform that duty which they ought' to perform,'—when only one gentleman of the church of England had attended, he had himself heard the children the catechism of the church:of England, and;wfiere he understood it, endeavoured to 'explain it in the sense: -of the- clergy, and - in the 'reading of the Bible also. 'Why ? Because the teachers of th errebpie, who ought to have been there, were nut at their posts. He should take the liberty of replying to any thing' that • might be said in the council, and conclude' simply by proposing a list of names, which list had tie reference whatever to party. Mr. RATunotin then read over a list of names which will be• i i found below. Mr. Councillor JAMES' HEYWORTH' said, from • what had fallen from Mr. Rathbone, that gentleman made it appear that because difference of opinion existed as to th 4 mode of educa tint, that should.go to prove that it was made a political queS• lion. II& (Mr. Heyworth) thought that an iminense difference might , exist on such a subject, without putting a political con sihretinn , on- it. Although Mr. Rathbone might differ very widely in opinion with another: party; he thought that he was not entitled to claim any peculiar or exclusive credit on account of his feelings for the education of the poor. He (Mr. Hey worth) thou g ht a no bl e man i festat i on had lately b een made of the f ee li ng which had animated those of a contrary opinion to Al r. R a thb one , in the two noble and splendid monuments that were in the course of erection.. As to the Bible in the schools, he had been given to understand that the Bible—he meant the whole Bible, from which nothing was to betaken, and to which, no adtittiOn was to be made under severe' penalties,: if they be lieved the scriptures, was not used during the school hours. He thought that selection s from the scriptures' were not eaten ' lated to do' thatiood which could bellow, by the whele unnati- tilated'wortl of God. He did not wish to ucake this a political questiOn. Ile wished to know whether the commandments were in' the version that was used in the schools. Was the second Commandment there ? That comman d ment w hi c h ordained . that th e y should not fall ' into the sin of idolatry ? If that commandment was not there, it at once invalidated in. his mind thegoodness or their extracts. am endment On Air. Rathbone's "tooting: His motion Mr. Coancillor Breen said he w as anxious to pro p ose a mo lion t as an nt to' the extent that' the seheols s h ould be diScen oomn went th:uPchruPaelillotbieendinss"thseigd,°hr.e.--co(Cu'lrileasgbstfi're"'nthe'r th;)t. - very eet with; and he' could add, tinned, and proposing n,mtiTiserisible to its great 'importance, and h ) the ' he In was tench More pleasant to to hire ti) li've moreover,oppcmsitio that n i t vo i t u l l d s.o p u l i o d li b a e bl in . supported some other member in the council. i thin to tiring for... th'cast any unputat ien ward so decided a measure as that. He hopet that the measure was not intended ia n Committee: a - - on the past proceedin'gs of the •Educatio c It ant' tiu lie .; the slightest degree hoped also it would not be supposed to those a proceedings the conduct of those parties by whom was simply nut to give been unii,rtnly advocated. His wish iniol I a te Mperate— offence to men; but, if li ^ gs ible ' by a t : Ifl thov. , unhappy and above all, a decided course, to do nwaV w', mind 1 d b. , la t cii causes of dissatisfaction, by which the public. of ale pre vexed and tormented throughout the partgTeater . 'l that fie had sent year. it had so happeOed, on this question, never yet had an opportunity of giving 'either tote or au ' ' '' 'h his s friend opinion. When the discussion took place iti whit , he ____ Mr.' Blackburn took so distingilished a part--(heat),, I 7,7 ; absent from town ; but if hailed been present - on that oceasue ; he should have given him his suppOrt," becaitse Ite'did' feel, nn der the diffi cu lti es o f th e case, t h at i t was th e o nIV reasonable course which the council could adopt. He had always been astonished that any man could justify the principle, that. the corporation property, contributed by the public, couhrbeappro pnaled to any one sect in preference to 'auother.—(Toud'eries of "hear.") li e ' declared that he 'himself - could never hridg his mind to sanction the'appropriation of such funds even to benefit the chureh of whi c h h e ' was a- me'tntier.-He 'would say also that he did think that if the opinions of the calm' and con-, siderate part of the community could 'be fairly s.seertailied— whether consisting of Whig or Tory—ChUrediumati or Dissenter —he did believe that that impinionWould go to this extent—that the public money could not be used for the benefit of any party'. N'ew, if this were the 'acetirate *conclusien, he *Mild ask, what blame could possibly attach to the EducatienCOmmittee? In deed, were they not. diming th4if duty ? Were they not acting strictly in accordance frith the acknowledged rule of justice. in applying that prineil , 0 to the Public schools ?. 1 -:( Tear.)' And whether the Mode he judicious or otherwise—or whether, when ' it Was found to inflict - Much distplietude and abxiety on the pub lic 'Mind—whether it was very wise or discreet to persevere or taut--was a' auestion on which the best of men Might divide. If it had been possible to have introdued into the 'schords'a'sys tem of what. might be . termed serular education, by which time children might have been taught to read amid write, and have 'been grounded in the elements of plain and useful knowledge, leaving them to reeeiVe their religious lineressienS from their own parentiand their owii iiiiimist . emS of reli g. U mn. !l ien he t h,, eg hl they should have attained the &vet so Much desired, and have escaped the present cop,equenct•s thaV held resulted; But threv were perfectly aware that to such a selietile 'of edneation the ptiblic hand ' had been tinifOrinlyOppesed:. The whOle tide of popular feelmng seem-cif ' ' 4 '"' 14 . -}M-tvile4et-agal.llSt s 4ifie scheme of edu• . -' cation hut what was grounded one religious ieen4ion. That being the case, the committee-being so surrounded with co pi p li. c4ted mlifE(ilties, what ,possible, blame could attach to them, if they had availed t;,eoiselves of the only , expedient thatTeinained —to oven-the sOluo!t; to II denominLitions,and combine re , b. gious in s tr u ati gu withsecular, as the bust and the pu)yvuy which was available?? Whether available or: not, this they most admit, that, having bee°. tried, it had proved to be a failure, —(loud cries of "No, tro,"—that was hit firm opinion—and, en-. tertaining that opinion,he did think that the.host course they could pursue was to abandon the schools altogether. The repugnance with which one part of the christian community received in struction through the medium of mere'selections from the Bible, and the objections which the other part felt when the whole Bible was placed in their hands—these two combined circum .stances had had a practical effect in converting the schools into little other than sectarian places of:education ; and they ,all knew that that was the very principle they had all set out .to ;mil. He, therefore, said that for the sake of consistency, for the sake only Of carrying out their own principles, they were bound to do away with the schools altogether.. '!'here was a duty —a higher obligation than mere attachment to principle— they were there bound to concede everything to the feeling of the public, and that feeling had been clearly ascertained. They Would give him leave to ask, after the experience of the late election, whether they were not bound to admit that, on this subject ; the opinion of the public had been declared against them? (Loud and conflicting cries of " Yes, no, yes, no.") It, Was always the part of wise men, to open their eyes to their own affairs; and it was still more the part of good men, to correct their errors when they were discovered. Let them show, by .e generous avowal of their mistake, and a determination to amend, that, both as wise men and as goo d men,,they were, anxious to do their duty to the public, and thus secure the approbation of their own hearts. He had now the satisfaction of moving, as an amendment ; " That it be an instruction to the finance com mittee to sell the schools on leases of 75 years, in such manner as they deem best;—that they be sold,in two lots, either for an annual payment or for a sum laid down ;—and that thesame be made with a stipulation that the same be used as schools for the poor." [The'speech of Mr. Birch appeared to create a great sensation in the council roorn.l Mr. Councillor JOHN (itzoPpEß in seconding the motion, said he was not influenced by party• motives; as his opinions upon the subject were expressed before it became a party question. The council and committee would be continually • composed of men of different opinions, both as regarded politics and religion. The rare of these schools was incompatible with the duties of the council. If at one: time the schools were managed satisfactorily,, there was no guarantee that they should continue so; besides which, some of those who did not approve of then) were obliged to pay towards them. As a conscientious dissenter, he objected to this. He had another objection— that it was an illegal• appropriation of the corporate funds; they had no right, unless they had a surplus, to pay towards their suppert out of the corporate funds. Mr. Councillor' L. HEYWORTIT approved of what had fallen from , Mr. I3irch, and it therefore became necessary for him to account for hi% name standing on the committee. No schools could have been established on principles of greater justice than these. ( Hear, hear.) These extracts were the best p dicy that could have been adopted to fulfil the wishes of all parties, especially when it was considered that no person could sit down `air& read the. Bible to his children front beginning to end. In his opinion the amendment was " a most righteous one," and one which they were compelled by the- existing state of society to adopt. 'rile best plan was to dispose of these schools. They would then be maintained on' thht . principle which had been acknowledged by many to be the best, namely, the voluntary principle. The voluntary principle was that which had been tit.ttp,ht by the Deity himself, under the Mosaic dispensation. W'ith regard to the odium which had been cast on the members of the education commi ttee, he - should glory in being the object' of odium for such a cause. Mr. Councillor W. W. CuttutE . hoped that the Councillor' for the Castle-street Ward, would postpone his motion, as they were perfectly unprepared to deal with the question. 'l 4 lthugh it was nut . necessary at a quarterly meeting to give notice of a motion; yet' as they could not' deal at once with a proposition of such moment, he (Mr. Currie) trusted that the propounder of it would let thein have time to give the matter due consider ation. He should be prepared'to go the fullest letigth in . sup port- of what the Corporation bad done, at the same tune he would not shut his evesto much which was too" trite in Mr. 'Birch's statement, and which he deeply lamented. He trusted he'shinild never see the Corporation depart froin their proud eminence at' the 'head . of the'education of the town. It was' quite suflibient for them to possess the pleasing censciotig ness of having performed their duty unmindful of the oppro brium which h.id been heaped Upon theth. He repeated, that . he'hopedthey would' not be called'uport' to proceed in the mat ter that , day, but would be allowed to give the subject . the con sideration which its vast importance detriatided. Ay. CouricillOr Elect( at once assented to the' postponement of his Atid, altei some cthiveriatiofi, it was agreed that teliiscussion should take place' on that day (Wednesday) fort night. _ _ Connelllor RA TIMONE said thatthe member for Everson had asked him if the' bible were read during the' school-hours ? Yes. It : was read for one hour during, school-hours ? The se lections were reatraslessons stall other times. If gentlenien would look to the . good'of the town, these schools would go on well, and in . titne be an honour to it. He did not believe that opinien'wlis against them. Ile would not give • way to the cry which had been raised against them. He' would 'entreat his 'friends; who Were'Of alb reform interest, not to yield like' crai•ens 'to popular prejudices.. He did not mean to throw anv sneer on anirfriend, especially his friend Mr. Currie; but he did think, when they bore in mind that ' opular.clamour was made againSt them; theytonght to stand firm to the principles they'profesied. The following geritlemen - were'then proposed as the commit tee.:•-.lllessrs. Blackbithi, Ara/Insley, H. Horuby, 14()pe,: Las- Sell; Bonn, Itawcton; Sinith;'L; Heyvvorth; Itamsden, and Itathbone.. GAOL cOISITTTER. On the motion or Mr: Robinson; it was resolved that the ma• gistrates of the borough should con,titute the giol committee. GARDEN CONINIITTEg. The following members were appointed to be 'the garden com• mittee•:—Mestra.. E. Sinith, More Lott, J. Smith; Bright; Black burn,• and• Jordan. CHURCH ENDOWMENT COMMItTEE. M. Councillor BLACKBURN mbved that the'same individuals who had formerly composed this Committee be re-appointed. Mr. Councillor JAMES 'HEYWORTH asked if any:report. had . yet been made from that Committee ? The TOWN C LER K.—No. Mr. Councillor J. HEY WORTH.—" Have the other Commit tees made regular reports?" The TOWN C LER k.—" Yet." Mr. Councillor J. HEYWOIITH.—" May •I then ask why this ComMittee has not pursued the same course as other Commit tees?" Mr. Councillor BOLTON said, this Committee was engaged in the prosecution of a law-suit, which was not in a situation to be repbrted on. It would be absurd in thern to repeat circurnstan ce4 which would lay their case open to their opponents. There was no remissness in the Committee. Mr. Councillor IR /ter( nun; said, the Council would surely al low that the Committee themselves were the best judges when to report. Mr. Councillor JAMES' HEYWORTH rose in explanation. It seemed to him ihat be was charged with censuring; he rose for information and was perfectly satisfied. Mr. Councillor CHARLES LAWRENCE said, he objected alto gettier to the appointment of that Committee. As one of the old Council he felt bound tOlake the sense 'of the present one as to the conduct of that Committee. The endowment was made in consequence of a communication with his Majesty's Government: They had thought that they were doing what' wits required.' The law required simply that the matter should have 'been brought'before the privy council for them to decide whether they had 'acted right or wrong: The Committee had, acted otherwise, and it had not done its duty. 'These were his . thoughts. They ought not to look upon this as a party ques tion, but they ought to have gone to' the body that was autho rised to decide between them. A large body of the clergy was most 'unpleasantly situated, and all, through the acts' of this Corninittee. He should move,—that the day fixed by the Act of Parliament, for calling in question any of the acts of the' last Council having elapsed, the COmmittee had not acted pro perly, and that, therefore, it should not be re-appointed. Mr. Councillor J. N. Wow) begged to second that. He said. he did not know that the corporation had anything to do with thequestion;further than after the injunction had'been dissolved the present corporation were made defendants. But what had they to do with the church endowment question ? Mr. CCERIE—A great deal ton much, I am sorry to say. Have not Mr. Jevons and Mr. Bolton sworn that they alone were relators on this occasion ? Mr. BotToN—No; I never swore at all. Mr. Woo resumed—Does not my Lord Langdale, in giving his judgment, state, that the - present corporation have nothing whatever to do with the question? Does not his Majesty's Attorney-General state, that he appeared in court entirely for the . 'relators and. the relators alone ? And, therefore, I th,n't see why'we should have anything to do with this question : and, in fact, from the evidence of the Court of Law, Messrs. Bolton and Jeions are the litig,ating parties; tli town-council are not litigating the question—they alone are. And I should like to know how this such of .f.. 254 19s. 51. came to be paid; whether it is a legal,payment. or not. If Messrs. Balton and Jevuniare relators alone, what have the corporation to do with paying this stun to Messrs. Parkes and Preston.' If the corporation had required copies of the information, the odd £4 IN. sd. would . have been quite sufficient - for that expense. And, I should like also to know, what further sum is to be expended : £25-I 19s. sd. has alreaclV been expended—whieh, I emit eucl is 'illegal. I have been'told that a very largo sum was further to be expend ed. I believe thkt about a mouth Or two ago, a letter was sent to Mr. TO',vn-clerk; by the late Al r. Foster, or by Messrs. Foster and Lloyd, 'stating' that in order to avoid all intermediate ex ' pences, they suggested the' plan of the Ties:ion going before the Ilouse of Lords at once: Whether that had been dose •or not, I do not' know; but'l should like the Town-clerk' to read that letter, and *hat answer' was made from the endowtnent ' committee'to that letter. I suppose the money which had heaa spent; has been for the SoliCitor-general—one hundred guineas for a retaining fee, and twenty guineas, with his brief. The Mayon, without suggesting what your presumptions will be, the Town , Clerk will be ready to answer your questions, as soon as you ate seated. You have asked a great many q u esliuns, and w e must not hear your suppositions. The 'rs: ow CLERIC said, the Committee were appointed with instructions t o take the necessary measures us to the recovery of a sum it was or not the o f pll(liae'jc en:l°ilt'sf'lhoefl this.l hands f been legally MOO at least subject to the question, whether Corporation, iiutr a u t s id tee h s a . d o i r l h e ad e , o i ns io! mittee took the best • tlyive ' that s th o e c t e •o r ti t' litry,alfords; and when I say that-that adVieed zneluttidesTliis Majesty's attorney-general, I think I shall be borne o der any circumstances, required The rest t ii l i e i d a . as one which, un-.1 for I should like to know from any gentl eman who 'e settled py take a art adverse to ' the course of the. c o m m i ttee, or council, with reference to that question, how the at vowsons and livings attached to them could be.fixed,'ns to their-aim - Mt - it, until the question was settled, or could be diiposed of to advantage to the corporate estate. How could they have Kobe to market, under the sanction of the • ecclesiastical commissioners, with these advowsons, without being prepared' to say whether a stipend would be granted ? But independently of that point, a great question existed as to it.he legality of the-instrument, and whether the Money ought not to be recovered back to the corporate estate; and the great majority of .the• opinions, amountin g to 5 to 1, were in favour . of its being recovered back. As to. those opinions, it would have been the height of indiscretion fur gen t l emen h av i ng to to have su b m i tte d the i r or to u to court, body. Th e comm i ttee h °lll a Pe d ieni° t ar nt i h g se h til t r) I t o haid e s x vce p or ec lna t ic. t ii9 h i: at the council committed to them sof cient power to Use their discret i o n. Belbre May, the committee ed—a law-suit existed, not il t l i ll t u t n s e ci i : i r ) t. n . u , n i s t a rie or the apprehension of any in a any calculated to dispose of this question junction—butt founde rm in t a h t e e terminated b u ' y e ' s a t i n ' T as to the churCh endowment. Under the hest advice that the . committee could procure', they came t o t h e conclusion, that their course was to let that law-suit go on; and i n Si d o i ng they were governed, not only • by its being th e , most summary, but this most economical; and th e b est calculated in its nature for having a s (‘ lt r u nh' i a u s at t i i n n i l l y o li f it t it he .soine very question. I should think that any o p li e n r i s n o i n de is t slight notion of chancery proceedings, will appreciate the ci6 ectness of that course of the counnittee. Should they file a hill; or petition for'it to stand by, or wait till the cause brought on by - .the relators came before the present council ; there is no 'questinn at all hut that the council did that which -they had a right to to, actin; unde • • r this advice. The question accordingly went on, Carl led on by the. relators, and no doubt on the invi tanan of that committee, and tinder 'circumstances which entitied the r'elato , sin the indemnity of the cOuncil, as will fu!ly appear; sand-it will then appear that this payment was made wider these proceedings, sanctioned and advised: by the best legal authorities. With regard to the relaters swearing thi s or t h at , every syllable Which had . appeared had not a shadow of friun dation. it was, perfectly true that, in the, language of counsel, they were made to use ; legal „language. Some . person has chosen to say this was sworn to_ -Nothing of the kind took place. I am not aware ,that 1 have any further question to answer, except the vestion as tothedetter. A letter was ad dreOsed to me proposing. that this,rquestion should go from the Master of the Rolls, past the Lord Chancellor direct into the [tense of Lords; and thisavao proposed as a, means of saving delay. Now, under the advice of counsel, the committee came to the conclusion that they ought not to accept that proposition, and they thought they; were entitled to demand the opinion of the Lind Chancellor, which . might be obtained without any material delay before the House of. Lords could sit on this question ; and if that second opinion were against them, (for they had already had, the.epinion of the Master of the Rolls .against them,) there might be a question that they should not go into the House of Lords. F rem the first to, the last the course which has been pursued.. bas been to avoid every pos sible delay on the question. Every delay has been avoided. And now with regard to the clergy who are waiting out of their stipends, I believe there is scarcely any member of that com mittee who does not entertain the opinion that it is a very hard thing upon the clergy that they should be deprived of their stipends; and, probably it' the endoWment had not.stopp ; d th e :livings they formerly enjoyed, there would not have been a Member in the council to have deprived them of them.—(Hear.) One thing I will : state, there was a proposition, made . by me With the sanction of the committee, that iu all cases where the corporation would ultimately have to pay the , stipends of . the clergy conce rne d, th a t th e p ayment s h ou ld at once be ,made without prejudice. It did so, happen that though that proposi-, • iron was made it was neYercarried,into effect, If there is any queition I haveriet answered ,ou this subject, I shall be v e ry happy. to give any further information.—( Hear.) Mr. Councillor J. N,, Woon was much obliged to the Town cleak. He was also glad to find that. Mr. Bolton hart not sworn as stated. He wished. to ask whether the present corporation Were parties to the said question ? . . The Towri-cl;nex said they, were parties in order to achieve the most summary decision of the question, and what was he s t calculated t o se ttl e it we ll on the one side or the othel.. The council were, in the name of the Corporation. as defenders in the Court. of Chancery, (hear,) and they justly appeared, as parties advised that the church endowment was illegal. Mr. Councillof CHARLES La w.taNcE.—Am I to understand that the question could be decided by an appeal to the privy council? . • The T9W N - C LERK.--I state at once that the decided opinion of the counsellors,, including therein his Majesty's Attorne y was, that the clause hed no relation i,u right to the ' qhestion to be raised; awl : they were most distinctly advised not to uoe that clause. Their attention was again driven to the subject when the six months were about to expire, and, their advice was still the same 7 --that the clause had: nothing to do With the question, and, that the hest course was to have the question legally decided. Mi. councillor Ra:rni3osla wished to call attention to the position in which Mr. Lawrence placed himself as ,a member of that council. He moved to get rid of the questipti altogether. He would put it to_ him how he could honourably, as a member, of that council, try to put a, stop to the ,proceedings altogether.? Mr. Councillor Connie said he understood Mr. Lawrence to hhve said that it was a question on which, from feelings of de licacy, he could not give a vote. The commiitee had felt that the clergy were labouring under.a great hardship, and they had &great desire to relieve this. The Town-clerk had not s t a t e d this 'matter as clearly a s h e could have wished. The committee hildmade a communication to three of the clergy who felt so dis 7 .posed, that the corporation would be quite willing to pay their stipends, on an engagement from the trustees ,of the endow 7 meat that they would refund it. Therefore the hardship did not lie_at the door of the council. • . . , Mr. Councillor Bor. T o N sl id th e y never , un d er any circum stances,would have oppOsed the, continuance of the payment of the salaries of the present inCumbents, so long as they perform ed their duties. Himself and his colleagues thought that a fraud bad been committed—(that•yras the legal phrase) and the law had been resorted to for the purpose of getting ,hack the £405,000 so fraudulently abstracted, as they conceived, from the corporate funds. .. Mr. Councillor C. LAWRENCE said one word of explanation on the suggestion made front government 'Thai clause had been inserted for that very purpose by the privy council, and it was on that clause he had taken the steps he had., Without that clause he never would have been a party to that endow ment. It • was with the clear and diitinct,understandiug ()fa recommendation from government, that that clause was insert ed. Mr. Lawrence concluded by stating that he - did wish to press his amendment. , • _ Messrs. Bolton, J. Holmes, L. Heyworth, Blackburn, and Birch were then re-elected on the committee. CUSTOM-HOUSE COMMITTEE. The following gentlemen were appointed to fotin this coin. mittee for the ensuing year: --Messrs. Moon, Evans, H. Holmes. 'Jordan, Maxwell, and Booth. r BOROUGH COU4T AND, COURT OF REQUESTS. It was moved by Mr. Walmsley, that the following gentlemen form the Wove committee:—Messrs. Bright, J. Lawrence, Duncan; Ruihton,.Walmsley, and Lassell. Agreed to. • CORPORATION CHURCHES. Mr. Walmsley moved that a new committee be appointed to Manage, the pecuniary concerns of the corporation churches. Agreed,to.-- 7 .l.le.committee appointed cons i s ted o f M essrs. H . Hornby, Walmsley, J. Smith, H. Lawrence, and Platt. A requisition from the committee of the Ladies' Charity, re questing that the use of the suit of rooms in the Town-hall be granted for their ball, onjuesday,. the, 27th December. was piesented by the Mayor. The request was at once unanimously cb,roplied with under the usual rule.. The council adjourned at half-past three to eleven o'clock on Wednesday next. THEATItt-ROYAL. FOR THE BENEFIT OF MR. STUART. /AN MONDAY next, the 14th in s t an t, w ill b e per f ormed kfr Shakspeare's Tragedy of CORIOLANUS; on, THU ROMAN ' MATRON. Chins Marcitis Coriolanus (His first appearance in that character.) After which, an entirely new Ballot of Dance and Action, called LA DILIGENCE; OR, THE BANDITTI OF THE FOREST. Principal characters by the Messrs. Ridgways and Jonas and Mademoiselle Marie. To conclude with the admired Drama of THERESE; OR, THEORPHAN OF GENEVA. Carwin (the "Advocate) Tickets may be had of Mr. STUART, at: his Residence, 17, Upper Beati-street; and of Mr. PAktosa, Box-office. 'fiE Eiberpool eStanbarti. TUESt O AY ) MORN ING, NOVEMBER 8, 1836: Although we Cannot but rejoice at the prompt suppres sion of' the late insurrectionary attempts in France, yet connecting them with,a train of eients that . has passed . before our 'eyes-during=thelast thi r ty y e ars , We perceive ° in them the reMains cif a revolutionary fire' vvhioli Per hap& it gill ° reivire even a long period yet to come com ,Pletely to extinguish: The'see6 of rebellion in, this re spect resemble other seeds : they may remain long buried Without any'ayinptorn of'vegetable life ; but no sooner do favourable circumstances conspire'than they instantly, germinate—soma oappeO r openly above . the atd if nut " nipped in the b u d," as h as b ee n d on e s oil —il:l to le present occasidir,lhey' speedily blossom;' and bear abundantly the fruit of destruction. France, it is to be feared, has many such seed§ lying latent' in herbosoth.• That all fears have not subsided with the suppression of the presenvattempt is rendered obvious by the many usual military movements obserVable in Paris. We' hope the activity may proceed from excess of coutidn' ra‘- titer than apprehenSion of danger. . . ' It Will be seen in another c*Oluinn that the Anniversary Meeting Of the Protestant Association has been held in! LiverpOol—a meeting, as such Meetings usually are, (and let it be mentioned to the honour of Protestant Britain i )' most resPeetably and numerously attended. We never witness such a scene without feeling it to be a most con vincing argument, as'Well as.an unequivocal 'declaration, - in favour of that growing attachment to our Protestant ' ; . ieti . rongbf likeEstabliEstablishment, which thesemeetings were ori g i na lly in- . tended to elicit There is nothing in th e i nv i tat i on h ere given that ministers to the viti a t e d appetites of our na ture- t ure -nothing to gratify, through the medium of sense, even 'those' delightful emotion s o f t as t e, ' w hi ch a culti vated sensibility impart s —th ere are no highly-wro U ght pictures of passion presented t o t h e eye, such ' as the ; drama affords to its votaries,. to awake n an i n t e n se inte rest.lNo ; they - who assemble 't oge th er at a ' prOteStant tie 6 this, must hav e m ot i ves of a higher ord'er a,co--=' - sUbliMe tone must he made to ribratel--senti ments of a . holier and more heart-subduing charaCter must fill theit-inin4 They meet to add their seal to their profession of venerating the altars at which their fathers and their-forefather, 1..)r inaay generations, wor shipped—to express their anxiety of transmitting to their posterity - the . name — gildrions liberty of Protestantism which .they theaelves Ital.. , ;etili)yed. - They meet, that 1 the mists of papal error may be dispersed by the light of Protestant truth—that the pure religion of the Bible may be prOclaitned to be the acknowledged religion of the subjects of .Britaire But there is also a deep-seated per sonal feeling in the Mind of the true christian, which brings him into these PrOteStant assemblies. The Bible — the word of God-awful expression !—is to him a trea sure-hottie of divine wisdom and consolation—a refuge fiorn " the Windy storm" of temporal anxiety—a . balin that can " mini s ter to a mind diseased"—Can " pluck from the Memory a tdoted'aorroW"L-Lhan "raze out the Written troubles of the brain"—aye, and with a "sweet," butnot " oblivions anfickite;" can "CleanSe the foul bo som of that perilous stuff that weighs upon . the heart." He, therefore, meets to pleidriet6hiMself, and to hand down, unimpaired, to posterity this inestimable blessing. How does his heatt agonize when lie . looki tin'ough the -,•, • • . perspective of another generation, and, trembling, sees his children forsaking that"only name under heaven . given among Men whereby we can be saved"'—Jesus Christ—and'intpiously, and senselessly, kneeling down before pictures, and offering up pr a y ers t o saints who hear not ; or blasphemously asking of the Virgin . Mary not only to intercede f6r, but to forgive sin. Oh! wl!en he looks 'at his fireside, and sees his evening family group assembled round him to Itea . r that word of (4Od read to them,' and afterwards to unite' in their petition's to 'Him Who is the atitho'r of " every good and every perfeC't gift," and then is awakened by the thought, that whenhe is pasSed into' the grave and hiS children shall succeed to his place and duties, no Bible Will be found in his habita tion--;•the voice of praise and'st;:plieation will be for ever silent—well may he be aroused, and joyfully must lie Meet irl assemblies like this to sUpport thOse Protestant institutions which are the best, the only safeguards of religions liberty. The infidel in his ignorance may scoff, the Papist in his idolatry may smile ; and the soci nian in the elation' of - Intellectual pride may contemn it; bUt. the'genuine Christian knows, that there is an incom- Inunicable joy io`thoie little faintly meetings, more real and More substantial, than riot, in all its prodigality, ever offered to sense:' But while we thus contend for the faith once delivered to the saints, from pei-sonal considerations we also feel impelled to stand forward as promulgators of that faith to the benighted people around us. It churchman and disSenter Unite in their desire, and equally labour to en .. . . _ lighten ",the dark places of the earth," to instruct the civilized idulator of China, the ignorant savage Of I\l' e 2ealand, and to diffuse the glorious light of the gospel of truth over the frigid coast of Greenland and the scattered .. - islands of Australasia, is there not a more impeiative call to ddregs theinielves to the pbor deluded eitholiC, whose spiritual bondage is the more glorious, because it is the intiositiorf of treachery' and craft. if it t be 'true, and true 'it incontestably is, what Petrarch declares, " Religio pptidia'aeperfecta'una 'est, sufird'Clirisil . tiornen, supraque petram ffrmissimam fundata : reliquize omnes supersti. tionei vahw, et devi, et erreres . siirit, est itei• ad tartarum, arque ad mortem, non !cane momentaneam sed Cab We,'With' this terrible isifie . before us, - • • •hold oursehes irresponsible if we neglect_any means of ,rescuing men`—menu of rescuing' fatir follow subjects from eternal Perdition ? And what method can be de vised so probable of success as that Of these protestant . meetings ? From them ,a . loud voice that will be' heard to the farthest shore of Britain proclaims the rriesSge of truthfratid is . striPped of its rnik—'-libeity is putilished to the slaves of papal tyranny—secular priestcraft is made to tremble beneath its' gowin—and political 'oppres'sors" Shrink back under its appalling note. If.many turn a deaf ear to the proclatnations of these meetings; aiid,soine are excited to' greater paroxysms of rage by them, yet here and there the chain is unrivetted. One heart melts at the glad tidings, and another is aroused to inquiry; and, like every other effusion of thti - Aiirbf GOd,neithei does this " return void." It would be' itiperitiinus on this occasion to enumerate the many'and deadly errors of the Church of Rome. To them public 'attention has been drawn - by the:'brilliant exposures of the present meeting. We most earnestly entreat dell who have heard ancl'of all who read them member that they are not speculative but . praCticai errors ,—not errors that involve question's of tithe, but eternity also—not 'errors' of individual import alone, but errors that influence in their first and' last consequences the , well-being of society. Kings and kingdomi are the ob jects of its sport, and the time has been when crowns and sceptres have been mere playthings in the papal ntii;eiy of Rome. Bit learning, the liter humaniorei, the'pro• gress of civilization, have meliorated, say the partizans of papacy, this spirit of tyranny and persecution—instead of being as he orice'vvis; Satan, " transformed itita'ari an gel of light," the scourge of time bath "whipped the of fending' deVil our of him," and . he is become the purest; benevolence personified. What 'mean, my kind friend, all these footsteps leading,to thy den, and not one glum retrorsUM Oh, our eves must be obstrucied with a fatal gutta .i.erena—our` minds 'must be the abodes of the most stuggi'sh Ins l ensibilitY--we' must have wiped' away " all record" from the "tablet of the brain" which " note or observation bath inscribed uponit before we can credit this flattering, this delusive picture. Papacy received on its forehead at its birth the stamp arid im press oferror and oppression, immutable and immitigable. If we look at papacy, as exercising an influence over the political welfare - only of nations, we find it like a deadly upaa,destroying'every flower of liberty near it— we find to it the hand 'of tyranny crushing in its grasp every object that can favOur'civil independence. Look at Ireland—to what lengths of enormity has the priest craft'Of Rotrianistu led iti'deluded'and spirit-bound sub jects ? What a fertile field is it' becoMe for political agitation—What a hydra-headed'inonster of rebellion has' it there'engendered, whiat !necks even the' sword ofjus tice! And Shall wUbelleve that papacy is another crea-: tore in England ? Here it is 'the caged tiger. It may have lost something of itsfercciOns exterior, but the un tnmeable heart'reniains unchanged. It is now struggling to getfree; and, although it is still safely chained under legal restraint, yet we cannot but perceive that if it were emancipated from all controul it Would instantly, assume its neturarcliaracter. We are too apt' to shimber in Se entity When immediate 'danger does 'not awaken us to exertion. But let us not close ou'r eyes to the indefati, gable labours of Ronienistn• now making to recover do minion' in this land:: Behold in wht'quick:succesSion her chapels are rising in every section of the country. See with what untired assidnityler ilaVes are circulating their pernicious tracts—observe them waiting at . the doors of churches to drop the poisoned page into the hand' of the unsuspecting. - Listen to their audacious, but .pd•• cious barangues, d e li ve r e d befOre 'mixed multitude s o f Englishmen—insultin our very srteets with the dissemi nation of 'their polluting doctrines—and all these with an*evident design to gain political ascendancy. Think,' fellow townsthen, - of these things, alid .. yciti Will see' the prOpriety, and acknowledge the necessity of theie"prO'-' testaut meetings. The Right Port. the 'CliarieellOr' of the Eicheittier and his, eldest son, Mr. 'Rice; arrived yeSterday; frOM Dublin, in liis , MSlesty',s packet Thetis, Captain Townley: The} , proceeded on immediately to.town,,'"Via Man Chester. , • • lILUE COAL' HOSPITAL.—it will be seen by an advertisement in en other tiart of to-days 'paper", that a:sertnOn will hepreSehed, on 'Sunday next, in St. Peter's chi . kh, by the . .ReV. Rector . Brooks, and acrillectiOn Made in aid of the funds of this iriti union. We understand' that bia WorShiP . ,ihe.MTPi . has signi fied his intention of heing Present 'On the occasion. . Sr. MARY'S CHURCH, K na ts.---We perceive, by an announcement in another Coltinin, that the Lord BiShop of Chester, will preach a sermon, on . Monday next, 'at - St. Mary's. Church, Kirkdale, when a' colleCtion will be made for the pun , pose of providing' free sittings in. the church. hat THE THEATAE.—Tho lovers of the drama will perceive a treat is provided for them - this evening. An ekeellent of fare" is, announced.- .The acting of; Miss Chaplin, - (whose benefit it is,) in "The Little Jockey," as 'lire Little JUckey has frequently been'adinired. Stuart has also announeedShek speare's fine iragedy.'or,‘,‘ Corielanus" . for•his benefit; on Mon day evening, wh en Wequst'his:friendi will rally round 'hipfand testify their sense of his high moi l s as an 'actor, by'" albuniper." Cl alybente TDECELT.BRATED SPAS IN GERMAN' pro perties of the svi4lite NY.aters in Germsoe have Fong beer; field !in 'high estimation, and theii• • efficacy, in al f‘ l . :; . a . s x. e v si r :f y s , c o r f o Holborn Hill, oilier cut - anemia affections.'ha s been fuliv established.' . A Cor.l reef analysis of the powders prePar!id by Hill, by several eminent, professors of eliemistry,has proVediliat they contain the ,Valuable mineral tonic, On which ;he virttiii of the real writers su much depend, in an active and fittirnpaired state,. sail the absenceof which - in the commOn Seidlitz los ders, .probably accounts for their titer inefficacy in all cases' Vet ere the genuine waters haVe proved so highly . b, r , r fi c i,ii . m l .. the. adv an t a res• May . row be derived from th e use a Wrey'S . Clods-be:de Go,rmati, Se•idlitz Powders as would he experienced. f c ,,,,, anr ort !, , thirsy celebrated continental springs, the ex l^nce anal !r,c(!nytPielice of which, too often places it out (if the „,,,,v ,-110 would be happy to avail themselves of their tunoveling propeilice.—The News, Nov. 11, 3,840, STiI i COND EDITION. Standard Office, Three o'clock LIVERPOOL MARKETS. • - CORN hXeliiilstGll.—FrirpAy, Nov.ll, 1836. With the exception of Oats, of winch we have a MO aerate supply from Ireland, the arrivals of Grain, Flour; and Oatnical,thente and coastwise, have been extremely small since tuesdai, and (I%mi foreign ports during the setae period; we have nu Grain or Flour froth in to The activity prevalent in the Wheat trade for several, weeks past, has somewhat abated since the early part of the week, and perceiving that our prices materially sur paSs those of most other English marketi; there was evi dently a disinclination on the part of buyers this morning to fOIIoW their proceedingi at the exreme rates last noted ; we have therefore to report a dull sale for all sorts of this grain to-day, and a deCline of 2d to 3d per 70lbs from Tuesday's quotations. Flour, notwithstand-, ing . , was in Moderate request, and steady in value.—Find new English Malting Bailey was saleable ,at 46s to 48s. Chevalier 48s to 50S`per quarter,andfirsh grindingsam ples maintai ne d l a t e prices. —Prime Malt was also ftilly as dear as last week.—lnßeans and Peas no Variation. — In Oa . t.s and Oatmeal the transactions to-day were upon a' limited scale, on the terms' previ l onsly stated. 'the prieeS of Wheat in bond having advanced too high to en courage any extensive eipOrts,' littlebusiness ha s trap spired for that purpose; but, in anticipation of low idu ties at no distant period,' about 4000 quarters, have changed hands, at late prices, with a view to wait the event. PRICES. Br. tNs, Imp. men. s d Irish . —.... • 55 00 56 0 F cowl, 4' 230 lbs Eng.& Irlshsup 0 CC 0 Do. fines 57 0 .. 60 0 Do, seconds Do. thirds 0 0 0 0 N1F.A4,2401155. new 39 0 40. Oi Do. old 36 0 .. 38 0 BRAN, 4,241h5... 2 0.. 0 0 THEATRE-ROYAL'' LIVERPOOL: IV / lISS'CHAPLIN begs leave to express her acknowledge ments to the Ladies and Gentlemen of Liverpool, .her Friends and the P u bli c i n general, for the liberal Patronage with which she was honoured lasi season, and at the same time to announce that her BENEFIT is fixed for FRIDAY next, the 11th instant, on which occasion will be perfoimed the cele brated Comedy called MAN AND WIFE; OR, MORE ' SECRETS THAN ONE!!! Sir Willoughby Worrett Mr. Granby Charles Austencourt llr. W Howard. Cornelius O'Didiinus. Lady Worrett..M rs:. Clarke I Fanny ..... .•..Miss FauCit. Helen Worrett (with the favourite song of "Advice to all Maidens") Miss ChaPlin. A new Pas de' Deuk, by Mr. J. Ridgway and *Madle. Marie. After which the Musical Drama of T'HE LITTLE JOCKEY.' Florimond Mr. Chaplin. I LinVal....Mr. G.'Horncastle. Arinette (the little.joekey, first titne)..Miss'Cliaplin, in which character she will sing the celebrated Jockey Song. " The Boy in Yellow wins the Day." The popular Janus 'Dance, b) ., 'Mr. T. Ridgway and Mr. Jonas. ' The whole to conclude with the favourite Farce of THE HAPPIEST DAY OF MY LIFE. Mr. Gillman Mr. Bak(4 f Charles.... Mr. W. LI: Bland. Mrs. Dutll67..Mrs. Clarke I Sophia..Miss - Chaplin. .TiCkets to be had of Miss efiAPLIN. No. 3, Hoothstreet, Queen's-square, and at the usual places. OF BUTTIIt, &c. SD SD Bacon, V ewt 48 o.a 52 0 Hams, dry 5O 0 53 () Do. wet ' 0 0 Firkin Lard, 54 0.. 58 0 gladdered 66* 0 68 0 crease Butter .... 50 0 56 0 Prime Mess Beef, ifotierce, 98 0 ..110 0 Prime Mess Pork, • 40' barrel, 70 0 .. 75 0 ARRIVALS OF CORN. FrOm the Bth to the 10th Novernber, 'IW, inclusive. DESCRIPTION. COAST- FO-: BRIT'S!' L. • WISE. REIGN. AIWER4 . TOT A L . - ~.-„--.. :Wheat. Qrs 223 . . 223 Barley ..Qrs 477 ' . • 477 'Oats Qrs 3400 73 3473' ! Flour Sacks 334 74 - . . 408 Qitto Barrels • ! . :Bran... -Cwt , f Oatmeal ~Loads 1204 1204 . , Malt, - : , .. ,Aeans ....Qrs 754 , 754 iPpaS - Qrs 'Bye Qrs .. 'Shelled Barley Cwt . . !lilapeseed.. ...... Barrels.. !Italian Corn Cars! •• - - - : • ::: ,54 SHIPPING. INTELLIGENCE. ARUIVUD.—Magic, Trevairs, from Smyrna—Glory, fm Alexandria. f A brig is on shore on East Hoyle, wiih a signal of distress flying, .. i Saguenay, Stewart, hence, at the Cape of Good Hope; in 39 days. t Iv anhoe, Gibson ; and Brilliant, GilkiSon, hence, 'at Rio Janeiro. Dromia, Long, hence, at Havre. • • : • Abberton, Shuttleworth; from, Calcutta, off Dartmouth, sailed 20th July, and from the:Cape 12th , Sept..- . , • . h.yle,• rietelwr .2„ and Tamerlane, *Kellar, from :Calcutta at Deal. • Columbia, from. J. , ondon for New South Wales, was spoken 3d Oct.,: in !at 4 fJO N, long 24. , London, Lamb, from Cape of Good Hope, off Dartmouth. Ilarding, from Calcutta for London,'was spoken 29th Oct. in lat 39 N, long 33 W. , • , . • Falcon, Mairs„ sailed from Calcutta for this port 24th June. Sir, John Beresford,,sailed from Cape •of Good Hope for London 3d Saptember ; Kerswill, f or M aur iti us, 7 t h S ep t em b er; and Cleveland, for the Clyde, 7th September. ~+.4ipiiitig. At.lfigelitc. TUESDAY, Nov. B.—Noon, Wind West.—Moderate. (An Irish mail—High, Water 10h 29m a.m.) Anitivno.—Courier, Nelson, from LIMA. sailed 6th August—Frank land, Webb, from Darner:lra: On the 18th May, on the outward-pas. sage, in, let. 30 17 long, 25 35, boarded the brig Despatch, of Bideford, diamasied, waterlogged, and abandoned. SAlLEn.—Hatchinson, Robinson, for Trinidad—Ellen Jenkinson, Irving, for Lisbon—Tamesi, Masters, for Bordeaux and Valparaiso. The overland mail of the Ist June arrived at Bombay 18th July. Parsee, M.Kellar, from the Clyde ; • Juliana arid Sovereign,:from London; St. George, hen ce an d Mauritius; and Charles Heurtley, ftti Rio Janeiro, , at Calcutta.' Perfect, Snell, from , the Clyde, at Madras. Hector, sailed from Calcutta, for London sth July, and Exporter on the Bth. Bridget, Crosbie, sailed for this port on the 6th. Sir John Tobin, Griffiths, h ence ; Catharine and Bethea, from St. Andrew's;• and Frances; from St. J o h n , N. 8 ., at Demerara. WEDNESDAY, Nov. 9.—Noon, Wind W.—Fresh breeze. (Nigh Water 11him a.m.) Anatvno—The Cybele, Arnistrnnz, from Pernambuco, in 40 days—. Anna Sophia, Butcher, from leghorn—Yeoman, Mitchinson ; s and Commerce, Primrose, from St Petersburg—Marmora, Meyer, from James River, Virginia. Also Anaivvn—The Corsair, Gowan, from Belfast—Grana 1.111 e.• White, from Drogheda—Dolphin, Smithett, from Dublin—George•W Parsons, from Newry—Denuis Carthy ~ Connor, fromWexford- , ,Sarah Trotman, Bushby, from W r orkington—Queen of the Isle, Gill, frog' Isleman. &titan—The Numa,Williams, for Sierra Leo n e —Pl an t er, M ann i ng , for ConstantinOpfe—•Thomas Dempiley; Weatherell, for Afrida.- , Eliza' Sanders, Holley; fdr Alexandria; EnTt—Cintra; O'Brien, for Gibral= tar. Sce—Maria ; Miller, for Sydney, • N BouthWales—Albion, Brown, for ' , Savannah—Halifax, M' loam • for' Halifax—,Europe, Marshall : Mat.anzas, Springer ; and Tamarac, Kane,..for New York—Hannah. Campbell, for Havana—Mary:Cummitigi. Thompson, ,for Havre— Swab, Ellw,oOd, for Berbite—Ellen German, Blundell, from Leghorn — Miranda,•Bolton, for Demerara: The Chieftain, Nooney ; kVietoria,Nates, hence, at Pernambuco.. Niagara, Rigby, hence and Bahia, at Valparaiso. Ercole. Petrie, hence, at Messina. • . • .• Ann Paley, Roistone ; and Warrior, Lister, hence, at Lisbon. . Laura Ann, Casely, hence, at Lisbon, in 7 days. Ruby, Farrant, hence, at • do. Angelina, Stinge ;.& Twee Gebroeders, Rieke, hence, at Antwerp. Hermoder, Neils, hence, at Arendahl. Jupiter, Itraeft, hence, at Danzic. Triton, Moller, hence, at Flensburg. • • • . . • Hoop, Guyt; Catherine, Van Dam ; and Aga t ha , i3churr, hence, at Helvoet. • Argo, Schultz; and Ludwig Wilhelm, Muller, hence, at Liebau. Orontes, Webster, hence, at St P e t ers b urg. • • • r • • • • Alida,Jonker, hence, at theTexel. Ellen, Kgrap, from•Batavia,nat:Cowes. Bengal Packet, Steward, from• Calcutta, atDeal. Florence, Cundy ; and Ritsoti, Dillon, froth Odes* in the Downs. President, —, from Hayti, at Falmouth, in 31 days. Horn; Garratt, for Licatl, at da. With mainmast sprung. Richard Hill, Smith ; •from Clardiff, at Messina: ' • Louisa. Chalker, from Leghorn.- at : do. Ayrshire Lass, Nicol, from Malta, at do. Hiram, Gibson, from Newfoundland, at do. San Pablo, Baragorda, hence for Havana, at Ilfr mbe. Patriot; Oliver, fiom Palermo, at London. • Emily, Smith, from Buenos Ayres, at do. William Broderick, Smith, fromSt Petersburg, at do. Glenarm, Greber, hence for the.,Cape of Good flop e, at Milford. Africa. Skelton, from Ceylon, at• Portsmouth, sail( d 4th July. Than Ellis; from Zante, at Standgate Creek. Harriet, hence' for Bombay, was spoken in lat. 50 ;, L lOng. 19 a I,Llvanhoe, Gibson , hence for Rio de J ane i ro, was s ee n 10th Aug. • lat. 6 N,• long. 13 W. • - •- • • • • The Freeland, ---, from Africa to this port, was spoken Bth ult. in lat. 22. long, 33. The Reynard, Weatherall, from D en i a to this port, was spoken 10th ult. off C'ape•de Gatt. The-Batton, Anwyl, hence fOr Barbados, was spoken 27th tilt. in lit. 43, long. 15. CRONSTADT, Oct. 23.—The Ann, Chevis, from Liverpool to St Pe tersburg, is on shore near the Tolheacon. •' PLYMOUTH, Nov.' 6.—On the 4th instant, Mr. Nicholas, the master, and a portion of the crew of the 'barque Louisa, of this port, belonging - to Messrs. VOpe, wore , landed from it fishing sloop, out of the brig ' Mary, Chicken..of Scarborough, The Louisa left Quebec for Pad-: stow, on the 22d SepteMber • on the 27th, oil Cape Chat, experienced heavy gales, and threw deck load overboard ;' the ship making water. on the•l3th October, became seater-logit;ed & perfectly unmanageable after - lx•ing many hours in this state,•the Mary came in sight, and TM* videntially saw their distressed situation, And took the crew ofr the'" wreck. • Oct. 18, spoke the American brig. Lunar, from Hambro'. for New York, out 19 days, with passengerg ; seven of th e ' crew of the. Louisa shipped on board the Lunar. Captain Nicholas speaks'in high. terms ofthe kind treatment himself and crew experierMed from Cap' tairr Chicken, .who passed up 'Channel yesterday; after 'putting Catit' Niehblas and the crew left on board the fishing sloop on shore, Tao' Louisa was left in lat; 44 54 N, long. 38 30 W. • . • . . , . . THURSDAY, Nov. 10.—Noon, Wind W.S.V.—Moderate. (High water 11h 44m a.m.) ARRIVED—The, Sherbrooke, Longford; f rom N ew York—BritaPn', a Packet, Innes ; and Lily, M`Donald, from Trieste. . . ALSO AantvEn—The Marcluis of Ely, Murphy . ; frcim Wexfor d r• Despatch, Hall, from 'Wicklow—Swift, Hill' from 'Bristol—Gazett e ; Evans,. from BPdeford—Yentis; 'Munro, - from Tobermory—M"' from Maryport.-Ann, Brown, from Workington.. ••• .- • . • "." , SsiLlln —The Monongahela, ••Brown , for • Philadelphia--Emang' ,.,, ; , Dearness; for New 1 ark—The.ltuna, Sanderson, for Aires -- Tamarac, Kane, for New York. , . . . The Kelsick Wood, hence for Jamaica, was spoken 7th Nov. in lat. 49bultegim'in4,866dfrey, hence, at Monte ideo. isiA3ll,7oai, I T 'u r r i l n l i : i r a ;: a r . o ‘ n Monte Video, af'Falmouth: TTsphlii.eed,p;ePtor;iltaacnili henCe for Bomb-i • was spoken 25th Sept 0u ."- I s te ai ti e f d ro f i r n o ;R n i a y o a n zi v roy eo ff , M 6t ion h s te ep V t ideo, Bth Se p t. The Hornet Packet soiled for 1116 Janeiro, 29th Aug. - °cabala, sPNeil; h ence f or Calcutta was spoken t Oct. in lat, 49 3 0 N,longi B'so Vlr , Pacifla , - • :Fisk .11enee, at• New York, 17th. Oct. Charlotte, P ar k er, h ence , atdo, • 19th • - Maria hence ) at Cuxhaven. Sultana. NrAuley, froni New 1 ork, at Quebec. 'Ellen; Kemp; from Batavia, at Cowes. :The Sherbrooke, ;Lo ng f or d, arrived from New York, sailed from Staten ro,_m Staten Island on 20th Oct. Ori'the 22d, in lat. 42 40, long. st,b choke the. Rembrandt, •frOm Vera Ortia;•and supplied her with Provisi"ift • ,-. The Dowson, of Whitby., was p asse d on : th e 20th Oct. about a wizen llies s masts, d ot a ' l) S t, t a l r ' e e n t Peter's, s , b 9 u n t recently n beaus ilx , to Live.rpodl, was sold 14th instant for :3019 &liars 50 cents "Int , , Court awarded 2000 dollars salvage. • KEY Wi.sT, Sept..'3o.—"The cargo of the Integrity, from II . on .. dt,r,as_ ab en an d d s, on w e i t T loss of main & LIVERPOOL: FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 4836. PRINTED AND kUBLISHED EV ERY 'TUESDAY AND FRIDAY MORNING, B 1 RICHARD PATTISSON, (Of Bop: Collage, Seacombe, Cheshire,), .. • At No. 4, NuRTII CIIESCENT s CASTLE-STREET, LIVERPOOL. AV Elt.lG WHEAT, cur 70 ths. s d s d Irish dried red.. 9 1 e 9 6 Do. dried white, 9 6., 10 0 Do.undried new 8 9.. 9 0 English Canadi 0 0.. 0 OATS. gp 43 Ms... Irish .... 4 2.. 4 7 BARLEy, ly 60 ths. Irish grinding... 5 6.. 5 6 AVERAGE' PRIC 8 1), S 1) Bastbridge..., 102 o'olo4 0 Waterford, nelv 106 0 ..1:0 0 Colerain -., 0.. -- 0 CarlON ' lO2, 0..110 0 Limerick .102 0..104 , 0 Belfast.. 106 0'..110 , 0. .berry 107 0 ~108 0 .Cork, 2ds,. — 0 ~ 0 Newry. Dundalk —o _ ..:.. (1 Sligo — 0 ~ 0 • L/14 t( 1 : ', 1 Haat Daily e, Fort r 14teRI ton Tric I3~jrthe~ ~ uun u• Passage Lyin g f ', AS a. at t ~ `e ~A' breadl t 9 CIS u tk7J. Port uftei intei whic Divi Liyl F in: p P stre 21. and \rot thin