The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-01-19 00:00:00

JANUARY 19, IS;:'6. there are many persons, perhaps Mr. ROBERTSON GLAD STO NE among the number, who will agree with us, that. £5OO a 7 year to the clergyman of such an institution, who has no parochial duties to perform, and who delivers a plain sermon, very plainly spoken, every succeeding Sunday, is a stipend most unreasonably and uncharitably disproportiuned to the value of the service he renders. His original stipend, as fixed by act of parliament, was £350 a-year. This was quite enough ; and but for some family jobbery it never would have been raised. By a sort of hole and corner management, however, an addi tional £l5O per annum was made to Mr. HULL'S parlia mentary stipend. The parties who voted it did not ex ceed seven of the twenty or thirty gentlemen who formed the committee. It was as clear a job as ever was com mitted by any set of men, and Mr. HULL knows it. It was a job which the present directors are called upon to purge themselve s of as soon as they possibly can. Mr. HULL must know that his additional salary is not only a heavy burthen on the institution, but that it prevents many a poor blind and miserable creature from partici pating in the bountiful charity of the asylum. We have no wish to drag Mr. HULL before the public. We imagined we had.silenced Itin for ever; but when he sends his silly speeches, reported and corrected by him self, to radical newspapers, he must submit to be exhi bited in his true and proper colours. He is evidently the worst enemy which Mr. HULL has in this community, and if he cannot see any reason for his flock deserting him, in his public conduct and his immense salary, it is time he should be better instructed on the subject. As to Mr. YATES'S motion, or Mr. MONK'S amendment, they are like YATES himself, who is an unitarian, and has no business in such a place, utterly beneath our notice. LONDON LATEST NEWS. City, Saturday gi;riiiiy, Half-past Set4n o'clock. In the course of this day the money market became brisker than it was at the opening of the market. Consols for account advancing to 91 911. The closing prices were, however, for money, 91 and 90i. Exchequer bills remain at 18 to 20 pm. Inttia bonds 4to 6 pm. Bank stock , 214. Reduced annuities 91i. al per cent. reduced 100. New 991. India stock 2521. The value of Spanish and Portuguese bonds has not under gone much change to-day, though, if anything, the latter are lower, owing to the tenor of the advises from Lisbon. The five per cent. bonds fell from 811 to 84, and the three per cents. from 54 3 / 4 to 531. Spanish stock has only fluctuated to-day be tween 50 and 50 3 / 4 . The passive stock is queted at 16, and the deferred at 241. A further advance has taken place in Russian Inetalliques, and they are now quoted 10 per cent. above par. Danish bonds are at 761. Among the South American secu rities the bargains in Chilian bonds have assumed some im portance this afternoon in consequence of a rapid advance in them from 461 to 51, without any very assignable cause. There is but a small quantity of this stock in the market, and compa ratively small purchases have,'in consequence, a considerable effect on the prices. Mexican bonds remain steady at 381; Columbian at 331; and Peruvian at 251. There has been a further improvement in most of the rail-. way shares to-day. The great western have risen to 15 3 / 4 pm., the London and Brighton (Stevenson's) to 10 3 / 4 , London and Blackwell to 21. London and Greenwich to 9, London and Birmingham to 67, London and Gravesend to 1, and the north Midland to 5 pm. per share. LORD .SANDON.—Our noble representative arrived in Liver pool on Thursday evening. About four o'clock on the following day, he appeared in the Exchange Newsroom, where he was greeted by a hearty welcome from his constituents. His lord ship will be at the Clarendon-rooms from one to three o'clock every day this week. TRADESMEN'S CONSERVATIVE ASSOCIATION.—We under stand that it is Lord Sandon's intention to meet the Tiades men's Conservative Association this evening, at eight o'clock, at the Golden Lion in Dale-street. We hope his lordship's Visit will ensure a full attendance of the members of the society. ACCIDENT TO THE FORMBY LIFE-BOAT.—We regret to state that the unfortunate accident which occurred to the Formby life-boat, a short account of which appeared in the ST ANDA RD of Friday last, has occasioned very great distress to the families of the foar boatmen who perished on that occasion. The four widows of these poor men (two of whom are pregnant) have been, left with three orphans and twenty-six fatherless children in a state of complete destitution. A subscription was com menced yesterday at the Exchange Newsroom, the result of which will appear in another part of our paper. We feel that we need do nothing more than call the attention of our readers to the subject to invoke their liberality. OPERATIVE CONSERVATIVE ASSOCIATION IN CHURCH STREET.—The members of this excellent Society had a meeting in the early part of the week at their new reading-room in Church-street. From thirty to forty new members were ad mitted. The news-room is open every evening. and occasionaly at other periods, for the members,' who have the means of read ing the best daily and weekly papers, as well as the most popular magazines. and this , too, ror an exceedingly small pecuniary consideration—sixpence a quarter, we believe. We hear that the subscription is about to be doubled, but even then the ad vantage is great, and the good. to be derived unquestionable. Our readers are not aware, we believe, that immediately after the Conservative Dinner 'at Newton,"Lord Frani:is Egerton placed £25. in the bands of our.,Towastnair, Mr: R. C. Sharp, for the use of the Operative Association, as an earnest of his favour, with an assurance thatirneedek further aid would be gis , • -en This money still remains in the hands of: Mr. Sharp, no occasion having yet occurred for an appeal to it. About the time of the Operative Dinner in the Manor Court Rootri, those patriotic gentleman, Mr. William and Mr. Daniel Grant, gave for the use of the Society, the very handsome sum of £lOO. to be applied in the formation of a library. None of this money has yet been called for by the managers of .the Society, who, by their careful management, chew that they are .not unworthy the support which is every day being afforded to them. —..gariches ter CI) ronicle. BOROUGH SasstoNs.—The Quarter Sessions commenced yesterday before the Mayor, Recorder, and a bench of magi strates. The space occupied by other matter compels us -to postpone, until Friday, the publication of our report of the'Re sorder's speech, and the trials which have already takeu place. - - .MASTER HUGHES'S CONCERT.—Last evening we had the pleasure of hearing this youthful harpist. We have not space for many remarks; we can only add that our expectations were more than realized. The air, "Ah vous dirai" was exqisitely played, and the performance displayed great execution and taste. The national Welsh song by Master Hughes, accom. ponied 1”y himself on' the harp, though, perhaps, a great youth ful effort, was not what we admired as a vocal one. The various pieces performed by Mons. Pothonier, on the piano forte, displayed considerable execution. The audience was not very numerous, no doubt owing to the stormy night, and its being also an Italian opera night at the Theatre-Royal. INSOLVENT DEBTORS' Coutur.—The next courts for the re lief of insolvent debtors will be held before W. J. Law, as Billows :—Lancaster, Friday, March 18; Preston, Friday, 25; Liverpool, Monday, March 28; Chester, Wednesday, March 30; and Mold, Saturday, April 2, PARISH RATE.—We are gratified to find that the church wardens and overseers have, by prudent management of the parochial funds, been enabled to reduce the new rate just made to one shilling and ninepence in the pound, that is, fourpence less than the preceding rate. This would argue a system of "parish economy," although our honorary parish officers are not liberals, and, consemently, are not poor-starving-political economists; and, what is still more marvellous, they do not, like the sages of the Town-hall, ever utter a single sentence about economy and retrenchment. The new town council will, however, very soon require the groats saved by . the paiochial officers. We rejoice the more, on that account, that the parish rates are reduced, as auy rate required "to carry out the prin ciple's of the municipal reform act' will be the less felt, by the little tradesmen and poorer classes of householders. CONCERT AT THE .DELPHI HOTEL.—MrB. LeIMOO, better known to the musical world, as Miss Cassidy, gives a benefit concert on Tuesday next, at the Adelphi Hotel, which, from her popularity as a singer, will, we have no doubt, be well at tended. Mr. Brown will perform, on the flute, a new fantasia, composed for that instrument by Nicholson ; and Master Gil low, a young candidate for public favour, of whose extraordi nary vocal powers and brilliant execution we have beard much in private, will make his first appearance before an audience. The concert will be-conducted by Mr. George Holden. LISRRALITY OF THE CHESTER CORPORATION.—One of the first acts of these worthies, after their election, was to discon tinue the distribution of bread to the poor, which, previously, Was annually given to them on the day the new mayor was . elected. Very charitable indeed. ~,BOrts 6UGH of CLONsu de a th of D om i n i c k R ona y ne , - c- 4 (1.,' M.P. for Clontnel, has occasion e d a vacancy f or ' t h a t borough. effne, we hope, will be made t o re d eem th e borough from the hands into which it has lately fallen. Pl itE AT BOLTON.—About one o'clock on Monday morning, a Cotton mill of Messrs. E. W. and J. Bolling, in Flash -street, °'S discovered to he on fire. It commenced in the scutching r7°ln, and was rapidly communicated to the card-rooms. An rearm was given, and the workmen and neighbours promptly ic,„ ll ,,Qred every assistance. The town's engines were soon u nder b --(l ft out, and pl a y e d s o effectually that the flames were got burnt .ue Y half-past two o'clock. About 10001bs. of cotton was ;rbut howinsured the fire originated is not known. Mesars. a . 80l- DEATH °P ADAM ~ AMLYNIBURNEE, ESQ.—On the 10th instant, at a R - street, s ell square, London, Adam Lymburnpr, . I' ' in the 90th ye a r o f hi s age . Thi s venera bl e gen tl e man possessed great urbanity of manners, united to extensive in formation ana sound judgment. He was extensively acquaint ed with the provinc es of Canada in early life, and his report on the affairs of that country, in the time of Mr. Pitt, was consi dered an a b le' Production: and might even now be consulted 137ith utility. Those who knew him in private life, will remem er hirn with esteem, and his nearer connexions with affection ate regret. COACH ACCIDXNT.—As the Royal Rocket coach was re turning from Manchester to Blackburn on Wednesday, the txletree broke, on descending a hill about two miles from nu Y Several o f t h e outside possengers were severely injured. Great credit is due hu • t the driver, who, though he was severely Frt himself, managed to prevent the horses from running far ier, which would havepincekthe lives of four inside passengers 19 "" great danger, and who !ippeared to forget his own injuries in attentions to the stiffenng female passengers. Cower, ItErnnsintrATloN.—lt was stated i n the newspapers, Me tropolitan mad provincial, a few weeks ago, that Mr. Townley, r,)f Townley, had written a letter to Mr. Wilson Patten inform mg that gentleman that at the next election, he (Mr. Townley) e tould offer hi mse lf as a can did ate i n opposition to him. We !I!"aught it a very odd course for any gentleman to take, and set : dawn for a fabrication; -but, as we were not prepared et the rime. with the means of contradiction, we let it pass. We have ~"‘e, however, full and so fficied authority for stating th at t h e report i s entirely groundless.—Lancaster Gazette. ANNUAL MEETING.-SCHOOL FOR THE BLIND On Friday last, the annual meeting of tie committee and subscribers to this institution took place at the school; ..Major Brooks was unanimously called to the chair. After the report of the institution and the Piancial state ment for the year had been - read, the Reveknd EDWARD Hut -t,, Chaplain to the Institution, called the attention of the meeting to the 10th and 22,1 clam es of the municipal reform act, from. which it appeareSt ..44,me difficulty would he occasioned in the election of vice-presidents. The act under which the Blind School was founded directs that the ap pointment of the chaplain, in case a vacancy should occur, is vested in the mayor, senior alderman, and two vice-presidents, the latter to be appointed by the committee, and both to he members of the church of England. The aldermen under the late corporation having, by the municipal act, been removed, the meeting hesitated as to what steps they should take with a view to get the clauses of the act rectified. It was at length thought better to take the opinion of counsel upon the subject, and a resolution to that effect was afterwards passed unanimously. The meeting then proceeded to the elec- iion of officers. Upon the motion of Mr. R. W. HouGwrori, seconded by Mr. Toon NAYLOR . , Lord Sandon, M.P., was elected president; and Mr. Richard Houghton. Mr. James Heyworth, Mr. Shand, and Mr. Wm. Potter were appointed vice-presidents for the ensuing year. Mr. R. W. Houghton, upon the motion of Mr. ROBERTSON GI.AosToNE, seconded by the Rev. J. B. MONK, Was re-elected treasurer. Upon the name of the Rev. EDWARD Huse, chaplain to the institution, being read over as one of the committee, that gen tleman rose, and, interrupting the treasurer, observed that his object in attending the meeting was, to ascertain whether he should be proposed a member of the committee for the ensuing year. Such a proposition having been made, be begged to say a few words in explanation of the course which he had hitherto pursued. He should not enter into a detail of all the circum stances which took place at a meeting held in that room during the early part of last year, as most or the gentlemen p resent, and, indeed, the public generally were well acquainted with them. He would simply observe that he considered the conduct of the com mittee of last year as unparalleled in the annals of any public body. One member of that body, in particular, allowed himself to use such a freedom of speech respecting himself as the con sideration of the profession to which he belonged ought to have restrained a gentleman from using. The gentleman to whom he teferted was Mr. Robertson Gladstone. It. was entirely owing to his injurious aspersions—injurious in their intent, but not in their effect—it was, be repeated owing to that gentle man's injurious aspersions, and his refusal, on being written to, to enter into any explanation of his conduct, that he was com pelled to print and circulate a number of copies of the address which he lettered in that room, in order that it might be known what he really did say. If Mr. Gladstone would reflect, he would cease to iusult and calumniate clergymen. A clergyman was as defenceless, if not more so, than a woman. He was no • advocate for the custom of duelling, which he. considered a wicked and anti-christian custom—a relic of the brutal ferocity of a barbarous age. But as the custom existed, he would leave any gentleman to say what would have been the consequence had a correspondence similar to that whirls he would read to them taken place between two laymen moving in a certain class of society. He hecard a certain report, in March last, the truth of which he bad ample means of proving, and, in consequence, he addressed the following note to Mr. Robertson Gladstone:— " Sir,—l have been informed that you have said that the language used by me, at the last meeting of the committee of the School for the Blind, was such as to compel you to resign l i your seat in the chapel attached to that institution. I must beg you, in the first place, to say whether my information is correct, and, if so, in the next place, to state specifically, or, if you can not do that, to state generally, what that language was." In answer to this note, I received from Mr. Robertson Gladstone the following reply :—Sir, I have to acknowledge the receipt of your note; but must beg to decline entering into any corres pondence on the subject contained in it." He did not think it necessary to mention specifically the expressions used with regard to him by Mr. Gladstone; he would merely say they were both insulting and offensive. He therefore felt it his duty, in consequence of this treatment, to decline being a member of that committee for the ensuinc , year. Immediately afterwards, Mr. RoßetursoN GLADSTONE rose. He said that Mr. Hull had had.the courtesy to inform him a day or two previously of his intention to bring, his conduct to. wards him under the consideration of the committee that day; but what that conduct was of which Mr. Hull complained, he was at a loss to conceive; and, even if it had been fully stated by Mr. Hull, he had yet to learn what right that committee pos sessed to inquire into his proceedings unconnected with the affairs of that institution. If he had transgressed any rule, or done or said anything detrimental to the interests of the institu tion, he should certainly consider himself amenable to that com mittee, if any gentleman could consider him to be guilty of such au act. But he denied the power of the committee to in terfere iu his private transactions. He had not thrown any in jurious aspersions upon Mr. Hull's character; indeed he was not aware that he had ever mentioned Mr. Hull's name since the meeting held in that room some time ago, at which most of the gentlemen around him were present, excepting when on one or two occasions he had been asked his reasons for leaving the Blind Church; and with those reasons neither Mr. Hull nor that meeting had anything whatever to do. Mr. HULL said Mr. Gladstone had not denied that he had made use of insulting language to him. Mr. GLADSTONE.—I do deny Rev. J. B. MUNK said the subject was entirely irrelevant to the objects of the meeting. Here the subject dropped, and Mr. Hull's name, at his own request, was withdrawn from the committee about to be ap pointed. Mr. JOSEPH BROOKS YATES said, it was well known to the meeting his sentiments both upon religious and political sub jects were of what was called a liberal character; he was a dissenter, and had served upon the committee of the institution several years. He had been a subscriber to its funds upwards of thirty years, and Isis father before him had been a supporter of it. lie thought they would do wrong if they excluded dissen ters from any management of its affairs. his name had been erased front the•list of the committee of last year in consequence of a report having got into circulation that. he would not serve the office of committee-man because he thought those pupils of the institution who were not members of the church of England should not be compelled, against their will, to attend divine service in the Church for the Blind; that report, however; was erroneous, and seeing the gentleman who had given it currency present, he called upon him to contradict it. \lr. CARR said he certainly understood, from a conversation he had some time ago with Mr. Yates, that the reason he had just mentioned was the only one which prevented him attending meetings of the committee of which he was then a member. Mr. YATES said he' never told Mr. Carr anything of the kind. Mr. CARR said, then lanttst have been mistaken. Rev.. Mr. 11cr.4 cemplimented Mr. Yates upon his efficient services while - oh the committee; and proposed his name to be inserted on the list for the s) ear ensuing. This having been seconded, - Mr. 1 7 AThs said he should not'serve for the coming year. He was glad to have had the opportunity of hearing Mr. Carr's ex planation,of a matter which had long given him considerable uneasiness. He was, indeed, frequently misrepresented; only that day a spekt with his name to it, appeared in one of the newspapers, which he never uttered, with the contents of which he was altogether unacquainted until he saw them in print, and to the sentimens of which he was entirely opposed, as well as to the object for which that meeting was convened. He thought there ought to be nu law in the institution which compelled any inmate of it to attend the chapel against his will, and so long as such a law was in existence he could never officially serve it. He had requested to be furnished with a list of the pupils who were dissenters, and such a list had been handed to him, with the names of six persons only upon it, but he very much doubted the correctness of that list, indeed he felt sure there were more in the house than that number. However, be that as it might, he should before he sat down move a resolution embodying the sentiments he had just expressed. It was here stated that at present the children of Roman ca tholies, and pupils of that persuasion, were allowed to go to their respective places of worship. And that none of the other inmates had ever expressed any desire to go to any other place of wor ship than the chapel attached to the institution. The Rev. Mr. MONK moved an amendment to Mr. Yates's resolution, to the effect, that if proper persons could be found who would take upon themselves the responsibility of seeing tbat such of the pupils as were desirous to go out of the house on the Sabbath did go to some place of worship, the committee should have no objections to grant them permission to do so. Rev. Mr. liett thought if any of the pupils were allowed to attend divine service out of the precincts of the institution they ought to be those who held methodist opinions, as there was little difference between their doctrines and those of the church. Mr. YATES.—No, no. Let us have a perfect latitude for re ligious opinion. I shall press my resolution. The Rev. Rector BitooKs said he should oppose both the motion of Mr. Yates and the amendment that had been pro posed upon it; he thought it would have a very injurious effect on the school, and greatly disorder the internal discipline of the institution. He was as anxious as any one that liberty of conscience should he granted to all the pupils, but at the same time he would never be one to invite or to hold out any encou ragement to latitude of principle. He had served upon the committee ever since its establishment, and he was not aware that any complaint had as yet been made by any of the inmates, either respecting their attendance at the church of the institu tioe or their being prevented from going elsewhere, and he thought it quite time enough to cure the evil when its existence was apparent. If had been stated that the system at present adopted in the school, in this respect, was illiberal and exclu sive; he denied both; and the strongest proof to the contrary was, the permission now given to those of the Roman catholic persuasion to attend their own place of worship; nay, more—a code of regulations was actually in existence, a conformity to which was necessary to procuring that indulgence. If the same liberty was required on the part of any other pupils who consci entiously differed from the established church, he was confident that the committee would treat it in the stone way in which they had already done that on, the part of the Roman cat holies; but. should they refuse, then would be the time to interfere, and not till then ; under such circumstances, he should he as anxious as Mr. Yates that the g rounds of refusal should be strictly en quired into. To pass such a moti on as t h e one now proposed would, in his opinion, be a direct censur e upon th ose w ho had the management of the charity, a censure of which they were in no respect deserving. It would carry with it the appearance that an improper and oppressive restraint had been put upon the consciences of the pupils, and which h e denied had ever been the case. He should therefore move the previous question. Here Mr. Carr, at Mr. Yatess request, read the following re solution :—"'That a communication be made to such of the pupils of the institution as are not members of the church of England, that they are at liberty to attend such places of wor ship as they think proper , after giving due assurance t o the committee that they shall be furnished with proper attendants, and a subsequent eerti6cate from the minister of each place of worship that the has regularly attended." Mr. 'YATES having moved the foregoing resolution, the chair man called for a gentleman to second it. No person having immediately done so, The Rev. J. B. MONK begged to withdraw his amendment. Mi. SHAND said he had no objections to second Mr. Yates's motion, not because he agreed with him, but merely that the sense of the meeting might be taken upon it. The Rev. Rector Bitooxs moved, seconded by Mr. R. W. HOUGHTON, the previous question, "That the meeting g o on with the appointment of persons to till up the co mmittee." The Ray. Mr. Heti said, he should decline voting upon Mr. Yates's motion. As chaplain to the institution, he thought he bad better abstain from voting. The GHAMMAN having put the amendment, it was carried with only one dissentient, and the original motion was negatived, only having been supported by ,Mr. Yates, the mover of it. the names of the committee were then filled up, for which see Advertisement, and after a vote of thanks to the chairman, which passed unanimously, the meeting broke up at one o'clock. SOUTH LANCASHIRE CONSERVATIVE ASSOCIATION.—The members of this powerful Association, resident in Manchester, held a periodical meeting on Wednesday at the Star Hotel, James Crossley, Esq., in the chair, when the accounts were audited, and pew officers elected. The meeting received a de putation from the founders of the original Operative Associa tion in this town, who communicated the particulars of certain traftsactions which have occurred within their body during the last few weeks.—Blanchester Chronicle. COUNCIL PROOCEEDINGS. On Friday morning, at eleven o'clock, the council tuet ac cording to adjournment. [We have to make our acknowledgement.; to the Mayor for his politeness and attention, on all occasions, to the presss. The reporters were this day furnished with a separate table, imme diately under the chair, which added much to theirconveuience, and facilitated their labours.] The MAYOR opened the proceedings; by calling on the town clerk to read the minutes of the last meeting, which he imme diately proceeded to da. CATHOLIC CHARITY BALL. Mr. Councillor 11. LAWRENCE said he wished to ascertain the expence of lighting the rooms. The TOWN-CLERK then stated that the lighting of the rooms would take 911bs. of wax candles, the exp eof which was £ll7s. 6d.; for gas-lights for the rooms, £ 10s.; for gas lights on the staircase, £3 10s. ; spermaceti oil, £1 ss. ; total, £lB 12s. 6d. Mr. Councillor WooeeniGHT said he was authorised by Mr. Bretherton to state, that he would bear the expense of lighting the rooms. Mr. Councillor SHARPLES.—I beg leave now to move, "that the request of Mr. Townley, on behalf of the Catholic Orphan Society, for the use of the rooms be granted." Mr. Councillor JORDAN begged to second that motion; and in so doing, he begged to say that there was not a charity in the town of Liverpool, that for the size of it did so much good. He thought it a most efficient charitable institution, well and economically managed, and as such entitled to the best wishes of this council. The MAYO:,.—Is it the wish of the council-that the request should be complied with ? Mr. Councillor EARLS did not rise to make any objection to the grant, but did they think it was well considered, whether they could refuse other applications if that were granted? Mr. Councillor DUNCAN could confirm that statement. There could be no doubt if it were granted, there would be other ap plications. The Scottish Society. he was prepared to say, would apply for them as soon us ever this grant should be ob tained. Mr. Councillor RUSHTON was of the same opinion. If the doors be opened they need never cease granting. Mr. Councillor RATEIBONE thought it rather unwise in them to anticipate evils. He thought they were competent to deal with other cases individually. He was very anxious in this case that the room should be granted; they had a precedent for it in the ball for the Ladies' Charity, so far as precedent went. He did not think that any one could oppose the grant on reli gious grounds, or if they did oppose it on such grounds he hoped they would acknowledge them, and he called on the members of the church of England present to come forward and support the motion. as a matter of honesty and policy. Receiving so much as the church of England did from the corporation funds, he thought it but fair that the surplus of those funds should be appropriated amongst all classes. He called on t hem to support the grant as a matter of policy, for he thought they would not think it politic to sharpen the conscientious scruples of the dis senters against contributing to the church. If they were to have any scruples or any objections made because this was a catholic institution, it would not be a matter of policy on the part of the church of England, because they who were dissenters from that church were compelled to contribute to its support, even though differing more widely from them than the church of - England differed from the catholics. On these grounds he was anxious that the rooms should be granted, and the expense paid by the corporation. And if ever they had any other applications made they would feel perfectly competent to accede to that request or otherwise. The only ground he thought they had a right to discuss on was, "is the charity a good one or not." It was en orphan school, most admirably conducted—conducted more like a family than a charity. They took care of the children they took, and if they were put out to place, and if they had any grounds to be dissatisfied rith that place, the society took them back again till they could find another, and kept superinten dence over them till they were able to take care of themselves. (Hear.) Mr. HENRY LAWRENCE was not at all influenced by what Mr. liathbone 'had said; and he would say with perfect good feeling, if it was a matter of honesty he should have advocated the grant without his direction; as a matter of policy he should not have moved in it. He had always advocated catholic etnan cip.ition, and he thought in Ireland there should be a mainte nary.° for the catholic clergy. lle thought that some assistance should be given to the charity on this occasion, provided it be not a principle to be acted on continually ; but he could not go so far as Mr. Rathbone, that the expense should be paid out of the borough funds. One great objection to that was, he did not think they were entitled to employ those funds till there was a surplus; in case there should be a deficiency, which he expect ed, they would be obliged to have a borough rate. It was be ginning to apply a surplus which he anticipated they should not have to look to. But after the offer made by Mr. Woollright they could not have that objection. Mr. Councillor EARLE.—The ladies' charity and this were a little different; this was a particular charity ; the ladies' charity embraced every sect; by this charity only a particular class in Liverpool could be benelitted. The MAYOR.—Mr. Earle would recollect that the ladies' cha rity was not an orphan charity. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Councillor BOLTON quite concurred in the propriety of granting the use of the rooms; but he thought with Mr. Law rence that on all occasions when the room should be applied for, the parties making such application should be willing to pay the expenses. (Hear.) This would have some effect in keep iug the applications down, if it were understood that the expense must be paid. Atter the announcement that .he expenses would be paid, he thought that point might not be pressed on the council. Mr. Councillor SHIEL, in reply to Mr. Earle.—There was scarcely any charity like the orphan charity but must be exclu sive. ft would be impossible to educate diem on any general principle of education. The children there admitted must be instilled with those particular tenets in which they were brought up. That objection would apply to every application which might be brought before them. His view of the case was more general. He thought that the rooms were built for the benefit of the town, and that they should not be shut up, but made use ful to the town as a source of amusement and gratification ; and he thought that every application that was made by respectable persons, and brought forward by persons who would make themselves responsible to the corporation for the consequences of granting them, should be received. And as a proof of his conviction of the correctness of such a course, he was willing to be responsible for all accidents that might happen to the rooms on this particular occasion. And he thoughtthat the ge ntlemen who came forward to make such applications should b e read y personally to enter into the same responsibility whic h he was willing then to enter into. Mr. Councillor L. HEY WORTH perfectly concurr ed with Mr. Shiel, Mr. Lawrence, and Mr. Bolton, with regard to parties paying the expense. He thought this principle ought to adopted as a principle, because by anticipating, v oluntary con tributions they took from the corporation fund, and destroyed the principle of eli'arity. It would also be an act of inititiceif they took from the common fund of the corporation, and.bad to lay a bo rough rate. They would then extort money from the pocketi of all individuals for this measure whether they concurred or not in it. He would say, therefore, as a.principle of justice it was not right that they should make use of. .the cot poration funds. His view was that they should haVe the room, but pay their own expenses. Mr. Councillor Sits epees.—lt might save a little discussion to state, that if the room were granted the applicants would pay their own expenses. Mr. Councillor EARLE thought it would be better to mention a specific sum as required for the expenses. There would be washing, &c. to add.. Mr. Councillor HENRY LawitaNcE suggested twenty guineas. Mr. Councillor StiARPLES.—Then I move " that Mr. Town ly's request for the use of the town-hall for a ball be granted on payment of twenty guineas for lighting the room. Mr. Councillor JORDAN really thought it a very paltry sum for the c orporation to stand upon. Out of the tens of thousands which that corporation bed. 20 guineas was a very paltry sum to think about for a charity. Mr. Councillor SAN OARS.—Mr. Rathbone had called on the protestant gentlemen of that couneil to support this grant. He trusted he was as great a friend to toleration and education as Mr. Rathbone.himself. Ile had only one observation to make, that he had supported every charity where the scriptures were permitted to be read; he did not know whether in this charity the scriptures were read or not. (Cries of "Question.") He contended that he was in perfect order. He would say that in this charity they were not read; he deeply lamented it. 'With this protest entered on his part, he should give no further oppo sition. Mr. Rathbone had asked " Why should. we anticipate dithlCuities;" It was wise at all times to anticipate difficulties, They might Kaye applications for the room from all the chari ties in the town ; they might have appliCations for the room for political debates; and they mighthaye applications for it to dine Mr. O'Cgtinell. (Hear hear, and cries of "Sandon.") He knew-the meaning of that cry.. They might have applications for the room for a dinner to Lord Sandon;—and how could they refuse that? And they might haie the room asked for by the temperance society for all the old women in the town to drink tea there. (Laughter.) They were about to establish a pre eedut which would be very inconvenient. After some further discussion, it was unanimously agreed that the use of the rooms should be granted, the parties paying 20 guineas to cover the expenses of lighting, and giving a guaran tee against damage. It was afterwards agreed, on the motion of Mr. Aikin, that the use of the rooms might in future be granted, for charitable purposes, at the discretion of the Mayor and finance commit tee, the parties paying the expenses and giving a guarantee. orb THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, your Majesty may be graciously plej.sed to diredt ylitir ministers the most extraordinary speech that had ever -been delivered in to introduce into parliament in the ensuing session, a bill to that council-room, where extraordinary epeecheS were not un extend to Ireland the blessings of municipal reform, with such common ;—such a speech m as ana an -who called .himself pos other measureseas m a y. seeura• the permanent good government . ,sessed ml an uptight and liberal conscience could hardly ut and tranquillity of that important member of the British dotal- ter;—it was the language of an apostate from beginning to pions. . end. It was a long tirade of most unjustiaable calumnie' aln conclusion, we humbly pray for every blessing upon your first, against the Members of that council; next, against the Majesty that Providence may see fit to tiestaw, with life and members of the government; and, lastly, against the members health, long to enjoy that true happiness which is the high and of the most numerous of all christian sects. Mr. Sandars be singular nrivileati of a pt . , „,i le i n . te re l t ina upon, and sup- gall by declaring they had already been guilty of misconduct ported by the heartfelt loyalty and affe ctionoCa. free and united in dismissing the best servant of that council, and iuvolving it people." in an enormous expense; and he proceeded to infer that it - Mr. Councillor So anew begged leave- to second the address. would discharge every person that was worthy of trust in this He thought they were open to the charters of i oa rasitude for not corporation, and replace them by retainers of their own. He having sooner done this act of justice, which ought to have been would ask Mr. Sanders by what means he knew what was pass the very first act of the council. ing in his (Mr. Shiel's) breast, when he told them what they Mr. Councillor SAND:ARS rose uncler circumstances of very were going to do; and then presuming to characterise that as great embarrassment. It must be evident t hat he was in a very what they ought not to do. This was a most unwarrantable L eman minority; he knew also his own want of talent, and he berty to take with the members of that council. Then, ano koetv too the array of talent that was again st him; but he felt ther more serious charge was brought against them, that they strong in the justice of his cause, and. he would not shrink were not come into that cou ncils sensingoss the power of acting from asserting it, and be begged fur a patient hearing. He according to their own Opi; thy were guided, •con could not concur with the address which had been read. He trolled—nay commanded, by the powers abroad, (" Hear !" Was fully aware that inane. gentlemen felt extremely grateful for from Mr. Sanders,) and that no man sitting there had the the power with which they had been invested. He confessed power of acting according to his own conscience. He should he did not feel any such gratitude. He could not conceive what not make use ( - if harsh language; but he begged leave to say, that council had to do with a vete of conlitleac,e in his Majesty's with regard to himself, that he came there purposely to act con ministers or with affairs in Ireland. He did not see any cause scientiously according to the dictates of his own opinions. Ile pegraitue for the position in which he was placed. It was was not deterred from going to the right hand or to the left, perfectly true thee , had got rid of the old corporations in. a way (" Hear!" from Mr. Sendars,) and he had no doubt but that a aa summary as Oliver Cromwell had dismissed the Long Parlia- great majority of the members then present were able to make merit. (Hear.) It had gone to its account with all its errors, the same declaration. (" Hear t" from the members of the with its abases of selaeleclion and intolerance on its head. But, council.) Then Mr. Sandars told them of the declaration made he would ask, what had succeeded it? A council more intoler- by George 111. to his minister—an apostate minister, let titans ant, more exclusive, inure addicted to self-election, inure inti- remember. The upinions of-Mr. Pitt were very different at that initiating than ever was heard of in the annals of any puha time to what they - were afterwards. lie had thought proper body; a council that in its very first act had voted away IbU,OOO to change. That in the minds of some might be a reconnendit of the corporation funds. (No, no.) He believed that was the tion, but it was no recommendation in his opinion. ( Hear.) claim sent in by Mr. Foster'—a council which had already re- But Mr. Sanders went on and said, George the Third—who !novel a most effective officer, whether through fear of his was a debateable character after alf—but - he would not enter talents he could not tell; a council which appeared prepared to into the subject. t h e told them that the nation would oppose turn out every officer, however efficient, who had acted under this faction that were seeking to overturn the church. Where the old regime. (Coughing, and cries of " Hear t") The inter- did he get his information ? His whole speech was a " new ence in such a case must be, that it was to supply their places light" speech is came on him by intuition, or, as they would by some of their own hungry expectants.. Wtiat he was going say in Scotland, by " second sight." Ile knows this nation is to say, he said with deliberation. lie (Mr. S.) must say that opposed, and time whole nation will e h opposed to his Majesty's ' that council ,appeared to ban more like a court of record to ministers, and t the line of conduct tey will pursue. He now register the proceedingsof a club out of doors than any thing else. cause to that part which was most particularly objectionable ; • If that council would earn the respect of the community, they which interested him individually, and which interested—and he ' must emancipate themselves from the tyranny in which they felt it more deeply on that account—the interests of his country. were enthralled. Gentlemen: must come there unrestrained; Mr. Sanders had Gegun, eery fairly, by Saying that Mr. O'Connell they must come there like honest and upright men, and give expected from his Majesty's ministers that they should do jus independent votes upon all questions. ( Hear.) ale would then. lic e to Ireland. Could any man cavil at such an object ? o fr t hin hi a s lr f ..S r az e d r ar admit that they had derived souse considerable blessings from Would Mr. Sandars tell him that justice was not to be done to muuicpal reform. He would till then, with the great mass of the i s w a h e i t e s h i U s ,goodid thatkeeping h he deivdi not t o l t i a t k io part w Ireland, because Itoinau Catholics dwelt there ? (" No," speech, s . i ' i't' respectable part of the community, entertain the opinion that they lied nothing whatever to be thankful far. In the- next place that the seriptures were received by the Roman Catho they were called on to give a vote of confidence in his Majeety'sl tics:. He had no right to know whether the scriptures were ministers. He confessed he thought they wbuld be Much - better reed or not. And he would put it to §ornelai her; in that room • employed in giving their attention to their local mluties e lhan in attempting, to prop up a ricketty and condemned administra- whether they would like to see their datatiners reading• ammo tion. (Hear, hear.) IVhen he had had the honour to address parts of those scriptures when tinder fifteen year§ of age. Some the electors of. West Derby ward, he had told them that the portions of the book of Job would he likely to make such an council-rooms would be turned into an arena for the discus- impression on the minds of some female children as no man i signs of party politics. Ile did not then imagine it was so soon would wish his daughters to have. (Hear.) Then, Mr. o occur. Ilia' he . had no doubt that the case was urgent ; he O'Connell would exit( t front the government the total subversion had no doubt that this Illation had been made according to of-the protestant church ! There was no declaration of Mr. order, that Joseph Parkes, sitting in the Home-office, had issued O'Connell's that could warrant any luau in making .such a de- . Lis mandate to "meet, address, and suppoit us." elaration ; and here Mr. Sanders again had recourse to "second ' Mr. Councillor Reaulloa e, (startitie up and thumping the sight." But now to the conclusion; that expression, " His table)—"State a fact. That is false!" al aSa utters here sat down. Majesty's ministers are to be governed by O'Connell's dictates (Great confusion, and cries of " Order.") —they are to be placed under the influence of a catholic faction." .The ale von.—That is language unallowable here, Mr. Rath- A faction ! Would Mr. Sanders presume to call four-lifthe of bone; you 'oust have government of your temper. the' people of Ireland a faction ? Would that now be tolerated Mr. Councillor RATHLIONE.—I do apologise to Mr. Sandars; in civilized society ? [Mr. Sanders—" I did not "] And would but he has no right to speak thus of persons absent. men listen to such an oration with patience? He for one would Mr. Councillor SANDARS here essayed to speak amidst the not. The catholics of Ireland were entitled to justice, and they - confusion. claireeil no more. They were entitled to be placed min an equal The aleyoe.—M a Sanders, for one moment. Mr. Rathbone fleeing with all the other members of the community. 'They will excuse tne for saying. that every gentleman must expect if paid as much to the establishment as the legislature of the coma there are others present who differ from his views and state- try might think necessary—and they paid no more. Mr. ments, to hear them answered. It is your duty, therefore, as a Sanders told them that the present government had laid sacra member of this council, who has promised to assist me in legions hands on the church; the word "sacrilegious" could net i s t h ef t order, to be orderly in this room. I must say this be applied to any such institution as this; the establishment is the first, and I hope it is the last time that a gentleman will was a secular institution. He spoke of its temporalities; he had so far forget what is due to this council, and to myself ; as well never in the course of his life uttered an expression against its as to make use of language which is never tolerated in - , civilized creed. He spoke purely of its temporalities. Those teinporali society. ties were transferred by an act of the legislature to Mr. Sanders's Mr. Councillor RATHBONE begged to thank the Mayor for church, and he could not see why the legislature of William the his lecture, and to apologise for what had occurred, and he MthaerfPuarPY:trar Fourth had not as muah power as the legislature of Henry the hoped it would not occur again. Eighth, or Marv, or Elizabeth. Wear, hear, and cheers.) He Mr. Councillor SAND/ma—There was no man whom he was sorry he had been called on to express his feelings on this trusted was less inclined to give offence to bins than Mr. Rath- subject, and he trusted he should have the excuse of the council bone. There was no man who did give offence from whom he for the manner in which he had spoken.. (Mr. Sanders') would not take an apology. -He was stating that Mr. Councillor SANDARS.—A single word in explanation. they were called on ter a vote of confidence in his Majesty's Mr. Shiel mistook him when he eaid he (Mr. Sanders) had ministers! - and, he would venture to ask, who had conailence in called the whole Irish population a "popish faction." No such them ? He would ask had Lord Grey confidence in them, thing; he had too much respect for them to be guilty of any or the Duke of Richmond ? (Hear.) Had Lord Spencer, or such statement. He spoke of that part of it which was em- Lord Stanley, or Sir James Graham? (Hear, hear.) Or he portions called "O'Connell's tail." With regent to those would ask, had his alajesty cotafidence in them? He would as of Scripture to which Mr. Shiel had referred, he had go further: he would ask whether any gentleman in that room as little inclination to lay them before his daughters as he had believed that O'Connell himself had confidence in them. to open to them the book of Dens's Theology. (Cmiehing end cries of " Hear.") Let them see what Mr. The ale vThe question was, should the address which m ed u i l t s o t r ,, o b f .,y t , h n e o l t se k e h d i s , O'Connell said on the subject of the House of Lords; he should had been moved by Mr. Rathbone, anti seconded by Mr. Jor teke the liberty of reading an extract from his address to the date be adopted by that council. An amendment was moved, but not seconded. impulse, until such time as that ". The task is ours, nbt - theirs. .The ministry in this respect Mr. Councillor RATHBONE should like to speak a word. (Cries of " Question.") impulse is so strong' as to tie. able to remove. the great obstacles The Meron.—Mr. Rathbone had had the opportunity before • to succese The reform of the House of Lords is the great— he put the question, but did not avail himself of it. Was it the the radical improvement in the British constitution. Do you pleasure of the council that the address should be adopted, wish for an extension of the elective franchise to universal suf- Mr. Councillor It A THBONE really must explain now, and reply rage, or at least to household suffrage, you never cat, obtain the to what Mr. Sandars had stated. It was due to his Majesty's one or the other until the House of Lords is reformed. Do ministers to state, that they were ignorant of that address, and you wish to procure for every voter the protection of the bat- that they did not know one word about it, either directly or in lot, you wish in vain till the I - louse of Lords is reformed. Do directly, nor had they intimated their wish for such thing in You see the utility of shortening the representative trust in the any way, neither by Mr. Parkes nor any . one else. But when 'Commons, You must wait until aft er the reform of the Lords. they tvere called a faction, ' he would ask m reply what was that orange faction which had ventured, according to Colonel Fair- Do you desire a perfect corporation reform. you know you can man to attempt to subvert the throne, am! to interfere with the not get it till the house of Lords is reformed. Do Noll ho succession by seai g aside the Princess Victoria? In retalia nestly look for justice to the people of I reland, y ou know that tam utmost he ' n- denounce the members of that orange faction who you will not be allowed to take one step towards that o b j ect un- had beeu going about under the garb of religion, but who still til the I-louse of Lords is rerortned." had not one spark of ehristian feeling its their " understand- The al eyon.—Perhaps you will permit me: I don't know that 'alga" or one spark of loyalty in their hearts." the House of. Lords has been introduced in this debate. s a ' ! C r. Councillor SANDARS.—He was merely asking if Mr. The MAYOR could only sly, he should wish every gentleman O'onnell had confidence in ministers. Mr. O'Connell tells to avail himself of the privilege of reply, if they would be kind them then, that till there is a reform in the House of Lords mi. enough to do it at the proper time. Ile had put the question to nisters can take no one step to please himn. Ile was the great the council, and the time for reply had gone by. He hoped prop of his Majesty's government; and he would ask, if a go- gentlemen would abide by that rule in future. verunient that was supported by the breath of this man—for he Mr. Councillor It ATHBoe a did not intend to rise out of order. was the vitality of its existence—he would ask whether such a He did nut understand the question to have been put, government was entitled to their confidence ?He would ask, The MAYOR.—On the contrary a he haul distinctly asked if the if confidence in them could by possibility exist ? Ile begged to council would adopt that address, and recapitulated its contents. remind that council that about the year 'B5, or sometime there Under the circumstances, however, he was not sorry that Mr. about, the . present King's father was placed in a difficult Rat hbone had replied. position • his minister had five hostile majorities against him ; The motion was then again put by the Mayor to the meeting. he was Caarded by what was then called a faction. What did and carried, wills three dissentients. his Majesty reply to his minister when he stated his *dice- Mr. Sanders here left the room. melt ? "At all events I ion ready to take any step that may APPLICATION FOR LAND. be proposed to oppose this faction, and to struggle to the last. The MAYOR handed the town-clerk to read, a memorial from period of my life, but I can never submit to throw.myself into• the ministers and leaders of "a christian society" for a lease for its power." - When this appeal was made it . was responded to 75 years of the piece of vacant land in Hope-street, adjoining by the country; and if such an appeal were ewe made, he was that granted to the Medical Society, for the purpose of erecting certain the country would respond to it, and the people -would a chapel thereon. They proposed that 600 seats should be set declare that the King should never become the slave of his iii- apart for the poor as an equivalent for the land. The memorial nisters. And now a word or two with regard to Ireland. if was signed "R. Aikin, minister." It was referred to the finance "good government to Ireland and tranquillity" meant anything, committee, Mr. Earle remarking that it was too early to be he construed it to mean that the government of that country • granting pieces of land - . should lie given up into the hands of Mr. O'Connell. He was POWDER MAGAZINES. aware that the compact between Mr. O'Connell and the present A memorial was then read, at the request of the Mayor, by government was, that " justice should be done to I re l an d." the town-clerk from the inhabitants of Liscard, transmitted by When the administration was re-formed, Lord John Russell Messrs. Barkley and Fisher, praying for the removal of the declared at Devonshire that justice should be done to Ireland ; powder magazines, and calling the attention of the council to Poulett Thomson had declaied . at Manchester that justice the fact that flats loaded with gunpowder for the magazines should be done to Ireland; Cam alobbouse had declared at often remained off Seacombe in stormily weather with lights and Nottingham that justice should b e d one to Ireland—that was fires on board. Owing to the increase of the population of the the compact between them and O'C onne ll. (Hear, hear.) He village of Wallasey, the powder magazines, which had before knew the meaning of that cry very w e ll, and he would answer been isolated, were becoming surrounded by dwellings, which IL But he thought that the ministers would Lind Mr. O'Connell greatly increased the danger of fire. a much harder taskmaster than ever existed in Egypt, and that THE TOWN-CLERK'S EMOLUMENTS. his version of " justice to Ireland" was a separate legislature, Two memorials were presented, one from members of the the repeal of the union, and the total upsetting of the protestant legal profession, and the other from the members of the Law. establishment in Ireland. (" No, no.") When Lord Melbourne Society, praying that leases and other deeds fur the conveyance. laid his sacrilegious hands on the church property of Ireland he of property plight be prepared not by the town-clerk, but by the deemed lightly of the protestant power of England. He had no solicitors for the parties, the town-clerk to receive the fee of doubt whatever but that the protestants w ould assert their one guinea only as the remuneration for his trouble in revising rights; he had no doubt whatever that the people of this country them, and praying that the monopoly hitherto exercised by the would declare, as they had already declared at the recent elec-- town-clerk of drawing up the deeds of all leages be abolished. Lions, that they would never consent to be governed by a popish —Referred to the committee on the town-clerk's duties, Sec.. faction. For these reasons he dissented from the motion which WATCH BOARD. had been made by Mr. Rathbone, but it was not his intention A communication from the watch board was read, in which to move an amendment. they requested to know when the newly-appointed watch corn- Mr. Councillor BOLTON begged to say that the question for inittee would assume the management of the watching and their consideration was an address to his majesty. Mr. San- lighting departments.—Referred to the watch committee, which dars hart been pleased to say they were moved to that address met on' the following day (Saturday.) by Mr. Parkes. As for himself, be would say it was false. He THE LATE TOWN•CLERK'S CLAIM. called on hint to produce his authority. He was not aware that The MAYOP, had received that morning from the hands of the any one was influenced by such means. He came there in late town-clerk a letter, with a copy of the claim which he had common with all, on the notice of Mr. Rathbone. He bad not on that council in the way of compensation for his dismissal, heard a word of the address read before hms came there. When the original of which claim he had, according to the act, put he heard it read, his impression was that not amen in that room into the hands of the town-clerk. Before the town-clerk read would dissent from it. Mr. Sanders had commented on what was that claim, it would be perhaps better that he- should read that the opinion of Lord Grey, of Earl Spencer, and Sir James letter to them, and hear what Mr. Foster said on the subject,. Graham. He did not believe that there was one word in that with a view to its better elucidation. address in which they would not concur; ,and if they might The TOWN-CLERK then read the followirig letter O--- • judge from their acts, they were supporters of the present go- " Exchange-alley, Jan. 15, 1836. the vernment. With regard to Lord Stanley , he did not know what ' " Sin—l take the liberty to send yeti herewith a copy of his opinion might be; he might not b e runsistent; and thou g h claim which I have formally delivered to the town-clerk,in ac he (Mr. Bolton) might belting to what was called a low set," cordance with the Provisions of the municipal Corporation act, (hear,) he belonged to a consistent set. Ire sheuld - be exceed- in- reference to my compensation for the recent removal from i,rigiv sorry to cast any imputations on the vote of any man. the office to Which I had been appointed for life by the corpora- He aid not think that what Mr. Sandari had said had'anything tiou of this town; and at the same time! anti desirous to explain . to do with the question before them. Mr. Sandars had ex- to you for the information of the council a detail of the princi pressed opinions of Mr. O'Connell; he conceived that Mr: Pies -un which this - claim is founded: In the first place 1 have O'Connell had no more to do with the question than' when the made an accurate statement of the separate profits of each de-. next planet should come amongst them. He expressed his partment of the offices 1 tilled, as defined and fixed by the reso most hearty concurrence in the address, and should have much lotion of the select finance committee on the 3d of August, 1832, pleasure i n recording his vote for it when the p ro p er ti mae c ame, and confirmed by the succeeding council; and, further, I have Mr. Councillor Honsee e a had been absent from the room at deducted every charge upon the business, includin g the .ent ire the two last sittings, owing to indisposition. In the tear that salar ies paid to Inv clerks and assistants. These items can be such - questions were calculated to p ro du ce a goo d d ea l of dis- fully and clearly substantiated. Having thus ascertained these cord in the council, and, in order to avoid such an evil, he had . data, I have referred to the minute of the Lords of the Treasury drawn out a motion on the subject; it was one which might be of the 10th of September last, of which I enclose you a copy, attended with advantage. Ile had not consulted any one with and from which I observe that their lordships are of opinion, regard to it, and would move it as an amendinnet, "That it is that the amount of compensation in cases like mine should be of the first importance to maintain a good understanding, and settled upon the principle laid down by an act of the first Wil friendly feeling amongst the members of this council, and with Liam IV., cap : 58, and referring to section 16, I have not esti that view it is unadyisable to brine before the council any mated may claim at more than three-fourths of the profits of my question not connected with its immediate duties, the tendency late offices. To ascertain the proper amount of this claim in a of which was to lead the council into political discussions." sun gross I have referred to severl persons conversa secure to nt from No one seconded the motion. the m i ir geuem al business with the subject, and I find that Mr. Councillor EARLE. thought that motion was rather sin- the government annuity of £l,OOO per annum for. the life of a gular coining from a member of the old council. In former times man of my age, (forty-five,) and in a good state of health, they heard nothing of such a motion; it was all on one side be- it would require at the present price of the funds the sum of fore. lie was very glad the tables were turned a little, that they £15,236. 55., and upon this basis I claim my compensation to might express their sentiments. (Cheers and laughter.) . be estimated. I enclose a certificate of the registry of my birth, Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE.—One of the charges and a copy of a medical certificate as to the state of my health, laid against bins be , his friend Mr. Rathbone was, that he had You will not fail to observe that nearly one-half of my profits never attended a meeting in Clayton-square in his life. He have been derived from fees of office paid, not by the corpora felt happy to say he had not. He could not concur in that ad- tion, but by the public at large; and I feel a satisfaction in dress in one respect—he could not express his confidence in being able to state, that no increase in any fee or perquisite ha§ his majesty's ministers. Mr. Bolton had said "that not a man been made be me, but that, wherever any alterations have been in that room would dissent from the address." One of the made, they have been diminutions of former amounts; and I charges against that council was, it contained too litany dis- am happy also in the reflection, that no complaint has ever senters. He was happy to say that he was one of them, and he been made to use of the amount or inconvenieuce of any of these wished to add to the number of the respectable body of dis- fees and perquisites to the public during my time of holding the senters by dissenting from the address. offices to which they refer. Mr. Councillor BOLTON (with great warmth.)-1 submit that amount of business done by me as the attorney and profit, has the gentleman has no right to express an opinion on the peen- solicitor of the corporation, and of my consequent . proportion. liar tenets of any man. We are here as members of the council. been considerable, and my loss is in the same The Me Yoit.—lt must have been obvious to any man that I take leave to observe, that, in aggrava town-clesk tion of thi loss, Icwal s what Mr. Lawrence had said was said a s a j uke. obliged upon my election to the office of r (whh Mr. Councillor HENRY Ise wit ENCle—I have got your words expected would be held for my life, as it had been by my prede down, "that not a man in this room would dissent from the ad- cessors) to resign a lucrative and honourable office, viz., that of dress." What I stated wish to meld to the number of solicitor to the dock trustees, which had yielded me an income the respectable bode of dissenters by recording my dissent from of E 1,500 a year; and that I have also seriously injured a re the address." If there is anything . in that to give offence, I spectable rivate business, to which, from the severe duties of roper attention. meet retract it. (Cries of "No, no.") the office of town-clerk, I was unable to devote p obedient servant, Mr. Councillor Bo I.TON—I am very sorry I did not take the " I am' sir, ' ' your very THOMAS FOSTER. joke. • a The MAYOR inquired if there was any one to second the " The Worshipful the Mayor. . to read iii Faster'selaini amendment. It was not secon ded. The Town CLERK then procee ded • Mr. Councillor SHILL rose to make a few observations on as follows: • " C " I, the undersigned, Thomas Foster, of Liverpool, gentle% man, having been an officer of the borough of Liverpool, in the county of Lancaster, in the aforementioned offices of profit at the time of the passing of a certain act of parliament, entitled an act to provide for the regulation of Municipal Corporations in England and Vales,' and having been removed from my said offices under the provisions of the said act, do hereby claim' to have an adequate compensation to be assessed by the council of the said borough, and paid out of the borough fund, for the salary, fees, and emoluments of the said offices which I have ceased to hold; and I, the undersigned, do claim the sunk of SEVENTY-SEVEN THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED - AND EIGHT POUNDS, as the amount of such compen sation. " And I do declare, that the following is a true statement, according to the best of my knowledge, information, and belief, , of the several amounts received by me or by my predecessor, in every year during the period of five years next before the passing of the said act, an account of the salary, fees, emolu ments, profits, and perquisites, in respect of which I claim such compensation, distinguishing the office, place, situation, em ployment, or appointment, in respect of which the same have been received,—that is to say, . " For fees and perquisites as town-clerk of the said borough in the mayor's or public office, upon and for various docu ments and perquisites by law established ; and for fees on the admission of freemen; and as clerk to the coroners of the bo rough, (which latter are paid by order of the county court of quarter sessions, out of the county stock); and including also% an annual salary voted and paid to my predecessor and myself, by order of the common council, out of the corporate funds; and also for fees, emoluments, and profits, as attorney employ ed on behalf of the said common council, in prosecuting of fenders committed to the Lancaster assizes, beyond the amount allowed and paid out of the county rate. In 1830-18.31. £lBo7 13 1 1831-1832 1832-1833 544 8 1 1833-1834 698 9 3 1834-1835 . 912 14 8 " For fees and perquisites as town, clerk and clerk of the peace of the borough of Liverpool, received and paid, accord ing to an allowed table of fees, and which are paid to the clerk of the peace, by prosecutors and defendants at the next sessions, Fees at sessions in 1830-1931 . £731 7 4 1831-1832 . 822 2 0 1832-1533 1833-1834 1834-1835 864 18 10 " For fees and perquisites as town-clerk, clerk, or re g istrar, or officer of the mayor's or borough court of record, and which fees are paid by the suitors in the said court, according to a table fixed and allowed by the court. For court fees in 1830-1831 ... £694 19 0 • 'lB3l-1832 931 11 6 9832-133 ... 104.3 11 7 1833-1834 .. 892 13 6 183-1-1835 . 944 18 5 '" For fees, emoluments, profits ; quid- perquisites as town= -clerk, attorney and solicitor. for the corporation, in preparing and registericg leases of their property, and which fees, emolu= ments, and perquisites arise as follows: The charges and profits for the lease from the respective lessees, and the charges forthe counterpart, and the registry of the said lease, are voted and paid from time to time out of the corporate funds, except in par ticular cases. In 1830-1831, after deducting amount paid for stamps and other disbursements. £8.38 1 0 1831-1832, after the like deduction....... 810 8 0 1832-1833 . . 813 1 1 18.33-18.31 1831-1835 " For fees, emoluments, profits, and perquisites, as town clerk, attorney and solicitor for the corporation, in prosecuting and defending actiens and suits at law and in equity, preparing conveyances of the property purchased and sold, and for busi ness done in parliament, and otherwise generally as the solici tor, attorney, and law agent to the corporation, and part of which have been from time to time voted and paid out of the corporate funds, and other parts from time to time have been paid from other 'ources. • "In 1830-1831, after deducting amount paid for stamps, counsel's fees, agents' charges, and other disbursements and other expences £ - 1970 5 0 1831-1832, after the like deduction..... 3512 7 2 1832-183.3 . 3702 11 7 183.3-1831 . 1-109 8 0 1831-1835 . 3730 3 9 " Given under my hand this Fifteenth day of January, One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty-six. (Signed) " THOMAS FOSTER. " To Richard Radcliffe, Esq. " Town-clerk of the Borough of Liverpool." Along with this claim Mr. Foster enclosed certificates of hie birth and of the state of his health. Mr. Councillor Bot,ToN wished to know how that claim was made whether it was on three-fourths of the whole amount, or was it on some portion of his emoluments ? Mr. Councillor SHARPIES repeated the same question, whe ther Mr. Foster Claimed three-fourths 0f£77,0000r three-fourths of his profits. He understood that he claimed three-fourths in stead of two-thirds, being inure than the law allowed him. The TOWN -CLERK, in answer, said those papers were deli vered to him as he came into the room, and he was not, there fore, prepared to give an opinion until he had made a calcu lation. The MATOR.—Perhaps the council would think it right to refer the subject to the special committee on the subject, who would have full powers to calf on the late town-clerk for all documents to substantiate his claim. Mr. Councillor BueroN suggested that the committee of in quiry into the town-clerks affairs should increase their numbers. Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE that they ought to have a specific committee for the purpose. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN thought it best to appoint a spe cial committee; increasing the numbers of the existing com mittee would not lessen their labours unless they divided. He begged to move " that a special committee be appointed." . Mr. Alderman BLAIN seconded the motion. The MAYOR put the question, which was carried. The following gentlemen were then named upon the commit tee:—Messrs. Morecroft, Rathbone, Thos. Smith, Evans, L. lleyworth, Maxwell, Rawdon, Benn, Aikin, and Tayleur. OFFICE OF CORONER. A memorial was then read Irons Mr. Joseph Lacon, offering himself as a candidate for the office of coroner, and-stating, that he had been engaged in his profession as an attorney for twelve years, atler having served an apprenticeship of seven years. —Ordered to lie on the table, until the subject of the appoint ment of a coroner should come before the council. FINANCE COMMITTEE. • The TOWN-CLERK bekged to call the attention of the council to some payments which had of necessity been made in order to carry on the business of the corporation, and to confirm those payments according to the rules laid down by the municipal act. By the 59th section of the act all payments on account of the mayor, aldermen, and burgesses must lie made by order in writ ing of the council, to be signed by three members of the council, and to he countersigned by the - town-clerk. Business had imp peratively required that since the new council came into power, various payments, many of them under his own advice, consisting of payments fur interest, debts clearly owing by the corporation, should be made, amounting altogether to the sum of £6,661 16s. 4d. He would suggest that the statement of those payments which he held in his hand should be referred to the finance committee to be examined and confirmed. But it became necessary to.'provide for the course of ordering pay ments of this description for the future; and in order to comply strictly with the municipal act he would suggest that the finance committee be empowered ,to make " orders in writing of the council"—these were the words of the act—for payment of money on account of the mayor. aldermen, and burgesses, such orders to be signed and countersigned as directed by law. He apprehended it would be advisable that the finance committee should have the power delegated to them to make orders for the payment of sums . of periodical occurrence, such as the payment of interest and such sums as could be clearly ascertained, and which could only require a general order on the treasurer to authorise their payment. He would suggest that the treasurer should lay before the finance committee at their meeting the payments expected for the ensuing week, and take the order of the finance conunittee for their payment. It might be neces sary to make some immediate payments; and in a case of that kind it would be desirable to conform strictly to the terms of the act: He would, therefore, propose that there should be a resolution that the mayor and any two of the finance committee summoned by him should be a committee to make " orders in, writing of the council" for payment of accounts in all cases re quiring immediate attention, such orders to be signed and coun tersigned as required by law. Mr. Councillor JouN HOLMES.—Suppose, in such a case, the Mayor he from home. Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE.—Suppose you say the Mayor, deputy mayor, or finance committee. lie would move that the suggestions of the town-clerk be adopted. Mr Alderman Beata' seconded them. The several motions, " that the list of payments should be re ferred to the finance committee for the proper confirmation," "that the finance committee be, and are hereby authorised to make orders in writing of the council for the payment of mo ney," and, "that the Mayor, deputy mayor, or chairman of the finance committee, and any two of the finance committee sum monad by him shall be able to make orders for payment of mo ney on account of the Mayor, aldermen, and burgesses, for such paYinents as require immediate consideration', such to be signed and countersigned as required by law" were then severally put and carried. WATCH COMMITTEE. The TOWN-Ci.ERK said that by the municipal act, it wait de clared as to the watch committee that any three should be cont. patent to act. He would suggest that in all cases of money or ders the quornrn should not consist. of less than five, three or whom would then he competent to act as a majority. He would suggest Qat such a resolution should be adopted by the council. Mr. Councillor HEN It? LAWRENCE then moved the resOlu• tion, which suns seconded by Mr. Alderman BENN, and then agreed to. LIYE-LAWS. On the suggestion of the town-clerk Mr. Councillor 301114 HOLNIES moved " that a committee be appointed to revise and report upon all bye-laws now in force; and to report on all bye laws that this council is empowered to make under the 90th sec tion of the numicirl act. '' Mr. Alderman BROWN seconded the msolution, which was ' adopted. : Mr. Councillor JORDAN moved "that one hundred copies of the bye-laws be printed," which was seconded by Mr. Alderman llonitssoN, and carried. The following gentlemen were then app ointed on the bye-law co mmittee:—Messrs. Wm. Brown. Ros ell, Birch, DOngnits John Thornely, 0. Ileyworth, and Morecroft; say three to 'be a quorum. COMMITTEE OF , INQUIET. Mr. Councillor Br. aceaunN begged to move, " that sa instruction to the finance committee to iuqutse 10tc6 ,11 Pu b r• chases, sales, leases, contracts, &c. which this council are ,Y the 97th section of the municipal act empowered tp col.t_ l 2 l !* , question. Such committee from time to time ill l l . l _ l l,: i n ti r e ' o r i proceedings as they may think proper, and that e state _ _vow be empowered to take such proceedings ae im mediately necessary." m y be_ deented an T d h c i a s r resolution Waving been seconded was p ut b y the Ma y or, FnEsENTATION OF TAY ADORES' To THE KING. Mr. Couucillor Boar.oN.—There had been no mode deter mined on in which the address should be presented. 'the MAyon.---That was going to be attended to. • Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN begged to draw the attention of the council to the importance of appointing some deputation to nwgg i ri i .eo , fleaatt he sent to London as a deputation to go to London to present the memorial which had been agreed to. He begged to move " that the Mayor, and the mover and seconder of that present it. Mr. Councillor HENRI LAWRENCE begged to state that it plaint against the last corporation li t le h da a t "it expensest()m by sending deputations. lie e that us an amendmetit. had s t H h h roeau would they should alwaysus lu d ' g r n gn e ei b o u s e r e .. Councillor Btucis seconded the amendment. • Mr. Alderman STUANT lose to second the te 0 0"" The MATOR.—It had been moved es an amendment that the address be transmitted in the usual manner to the• secretary o state. He was going to WI tkiilily Cagle had been mentioned , he begged to express his opinion that the proper position of tire Mayor - of Liverpool was . the boronier of tiverpool, He' 4.1 think that the mayors had been sent up too OMR 011,deraitelielni. He did not thinkit was file proper way of suptportiug the dig- ADDRESS TO HIS MAJESTY. Mr. Councillor RATHBONE rose in pursuance of, his. notice. He had now the pleasure of bringing forward the subject of which he had given notice at the last meeting of the council. Ile had now very great gratification in moving "a grateful an 4 loyal address to his Majesty." To the first portion'of it he was' sure there could be no objection ; it was to thank his Majesty , for placing theta in that room. The next po r ti on of it was con fidence in his Majesty's ministers, for which portion of it he did hope for very large support in that room. rfhe next portion was with reference to the situation of Ireland. Having them selves the blessings of Umnicipalreform, to pray that those bles sings might be given to Ireland, and also that measures be adopted for the good government and tranquillity of Ireland. Ile had left that portion of the address as wide as he could in order to meet the' views of all parties; and except such persons as wished to make two and two five he could not see how any gentleman could differ from that address. There might be some who would oppose it, who denied to one - third of the p o p ulation of this country their religion and their priests , t ha t they might convert them to christianity. lie was not one of those indivi duals; he wished that protestants should feel a sympathy with the catholic population, and that they should give the best proof of the correctness of their faith by the correctness of their chris tian principles. Ile would reserve to himself the right of reply, and would take the liberty of reading the address he had pre pared; and he hoped they would either take or refuse the ad dress. He had taken a very great deal of pains with it, and he did not think a large council like that was calculated to alter an address. He did not wish it to be mutilated as some of their acts of parliament were, and as the very act under which they sat there was mutilated, by alterations in a large assembly. He wished the address to be received as it was, or refused. Mr. Rathbone then read the address as follows: " May it please your Majesty, we your Majesty's dutiful and loyal subjects; the Mayor, aldermen, and councillors, assembled together in council, beg leave to approach your Majesty, hum bly to assure you of our faithful and sincere attachment to your Majesty's person and family, and to the constitutional form of government under which we have the happiness to live. " We would humbly express to your Majesty our gratitude for your paternal care in recognizing the great principles of election, and responsibility in the local governors of corporate towns, and for the important and beneficial powers conferred by the act for municipal reform. We venture to assure your Majesty of our humble but earnest wish to use the powers with which we are entrusted in the way which may most effectively conduce to the improvement and general welfare of all classes in this large and important community. " We would most respectfully tender to your Majesty the ex pression of our cordial confidence in Lord Melbourne's admi nistration, and our gratitude to your Majesty for selecting, as your constitutional advisers, men who, by their liberal, enlight ened, .and pacific policy, have entitled themselves to the lasting gratitude of the country. Deeply sensible how essential the prosperity of each part of the empire is to the welfare of the whole, we would humbly hope