The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1850-11-26 00:00:00

THE PAPAL AGGRESSION. GRAND PROTESTANT DEMONSTRATION On Wednesday at noon the town's meeting convened by the Mayor, as announced in our last, was held (by ad journment from the Sessions House) in the Royal Amphi theatre. We need scarcely say that the proposed demon stration had excited the greatest public interest. An im pudent exhortation to the Roman Catholics of the town was issued in the morning, calling them to go early and pack the building " if they did not wish their rights to be trampled upon, and their religion to be insulted." The Sessions House was crowded, and the adjournment hav ing been carried. there was a rush to the Amphitheatre, which had for some time before been well filled. The Rev. Dr. M'Neile entered the theatre at twelve o'clock, and was instantly recognised and loudly cheered for a considerable time. Six Roman Catholic priests en tered some time after, and were received by some parties in the meeting with loud cheering. This was answered by louder cheers for "No Popery." The crowd gave out a variety of sentiments, and the response was alternately cheers, hisses, or groans. About half-past twelve, the Mayor, John Bent, Esq., accompanied by a great num ber of highly-respectable gentlemen, came upon the stage (which was previously crowded by almost all the influen tial gentry of the town), and was greeted with loud cheers. The requisition having been read, the words " to defend the prerogative of the Crown :against Papal aggression" were followed by a tremendous burst of cheering and par tial confusion. The MAYOR, as soon as order was restored, expressed his hope that the meeting would be conducted in an or- Itlerly and temperate spirit suited to the importance of the .occasion. He claimed a patient hearing for all who might address them. The Ml or then read a letter from Mr. =Cardwell, M.P., dated Edinburgh, in which the hon. ta ern e r expressed his concurrence in the objects of the meeting. The letter was received with cheering. but a voice shouted " He is done for Liverpeol." His Worship then called upon Sir Thomas Birch to move the first reso lution., but the lion. baronet's absence was accounted for by Mr. T. B. Horsfall, who came forward to supply his .place. LIORSFALL, on rising, was received with the loud .est demonstrations of satistaction and delight, which were kept up for a considerable time. On their subsiding he -said, he 'regretted extremely to hear from a gentleman iriho had jest communicated the fact to him, that Sir Thomas Birch was prevented from taking the part which' he had promised• to take, of moving the first resolution, by a severe attack of indisposition. His servant had just arrived, and communicated the fact. He regretted it the more because the duty had been consequently assigned to lim. He could not but think it must be a source of great gratification to the Mayor that the first public meeting over -which he had been called upon to preside was one for upholding the prerogative of the Crown. Whatever might have been our differences of opinion on measures that are past—whatever might now be our differences of opinion on matters of state policy, or questions of local interest—he thought at least the majority of the inhabi tants of this town were agreed that the recent attempt on the part of the Bishop of Rome—(uproar, groans, hissing, and cheers)—to claim a jurisdiction in this country was, in the language of the Bishop of Durham, echoed by the Premier, aed re-echoed by the people of England—(loud cheering)—an insolent and insidious aggression—(a voice: " No, no ;" cries of " Yes, yes," and cheering)—an ag gression which must and which will be resisted by the people of England. (Loud cheers.) He cordially agreed in the hope which the Mayor had expressed, that the meeting would give every one that should address them a fair and impartial hearing. (Loud applause.) And he hoped that, whoever might address that meeting would ad dress it in that language of moderation which he should endeavour to adopt in advocating the view he felt bound to take ; for whatever might be his opinion of the aggres sion of any foreign potentate, he would yield to none— (interruption)—he was saying, and he wished his Roman Catholic friends had heard him out, that he was the last man in that building to say anything' unnecessarily offen- (Cheers, and hisses.) For when a crisis arrived, and he spoke from experience, there were among his Roman Ca tholic townsmen some as loyal men as any in the king dom. (Applause.) Having read the resolution (which with the others and the amendments will be found in our advertising columns) he said he knew he need not appeal to any member of the National Chnrch to support that resolution; because the Church of England stated in her 37th article that " the Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm of England." And he was much mistaken if the people of England would not only re-echo the as sertion that the Bishop of Rome has no jurisdiction in this realm of England—(uproar, and a cry of " He has !") but that they would say further, and that that meeting would respond to the call, and say, by the help of God he shall have none. (Tremendous and protracted cheering, the greatera prt of the meeting rising and waving hats, &c.) He could easily imagine gentlemen who did not be long to the National Church saying, " Very true ; I agree with you that such are the articles of your church. I agree with you that this aggression is contrary to the spirit of the British Constitution. I agree with ion that it is also centrary to the feeling and wishes of the people of Eng. land. (" No, no," " yes, yes," and renewed interrup- • . . tion.) But the question comes, is it or is it not illegal? Be need not tell them he was not a lawyer, neither had he patience enough to wade through all the acts of Par liament on the subject, neither would he quote the opi nions of an individual, though those opinions were to his mind clear and conclusive. But he held in his hand a document which he believed wou'Al be acknowledged by all legal men in the country. He spoke of a paper which held no political opinions —a periodical called the Law Times. That paper argued the question at great length, and with their permission he would just read, not the whole, which was four or five columns in length, but the wearable, and the conclusion. The statement, he might pl-emise, was drawn up by a body of legal " The "we measure adopted by the Pope, for dividing this country into different dioceses, to be under his own jurisdic tion, and for tlppointing an archbishop and bishops, who are to exercise spiritual authority in these realms, has caused many inquiries to be made respecting the present state of the law as regards the Roman r:atholics, and more especially as affecting the illegality of the assumption of jurisdiction in this kingdom by a foreign potentate. It is our intention, therefore, to present before our readers a succinct review of the different laws which have from time to time been made relative to this subject, with the object more especially of answering the im portant inquiry, how far the ancient enactments against the authority of the Pope to jurisdiction here, and which declare the illegality of upholding its assumption, have been affected or abrogated by the statute of 10 Geo. 4, cap. 7, commonly called the Roman Catholic Emancipation Act, and the late act of 9 and 10 Vict., c. 69, entitled 'An Act to relieve her Majes ty's Subjects from certain Penalties and Disabilities in regard to Religious Opinions.' " The paper then goes on to show the state of the law upon the subject, and concludes as follows : " The whole question, therefore, as we have already intima ted, appears to resolve itself ultimately into this simple inquiry —What is the meaning of the words authorit}, jurisdiction, sad power contained in the statute of 1 Eliz., c. 1, and are they sufficiently comprehensive to meet the case now under consi deration? In order to interpret them properly, and to be satisfied on this point, we ought to ascertain the precise con dition of the affairs of this country, especially in relation to the see of Rome, at the period when the statute referred to passed ; and to consider for what purpose the act in question was made, and what was the real object it was intended to meet. From the history of the period we learn that the claim to spiritual or ecclesiastical authority by the Pope, more espe cially as regarded his power to declare invalid the marriage of of the Queen's mother with Henry the Eighth, and to excom municate her Majesty, was what mainly induced the passing of this, and of the subseqtient statute. The titles of and the words contained in the preambles to the acts of Elizabeth are moreover of general import, and evidently refer to any injury to the crown that might be occasioned by the exercise of spi ritual as well as temporal power by the Pope. especially of the nature here alluded to. It appears to us, therefore, that the statute of 1 Eliz., c. 1, so far as regards the particular clause in question, is still in full force; that the words contained in it are amply sufficient to meet the case before us; a , d that, though the particular penalties mentioned in that act are re pealed by the statute 9 and 10 Vict., c. C 9, yet that the mainte nance of the authority, jurisdiction, and power of the Pope in this country is still illegal, and is still punishable by law." (The reading of this paper was interrupted by prolonged disturbance.) Mr. Horsfall proceeded to say, that Lord John Russell, in speaking the other day at Guildhall, made the following remark : " Let me add, however, one further remark. When peril much more grave, peril much more imminent, impLnded over this country, a wi e princess, who at that time ruled over the country, thought fit to call to her aid all those who, whatever their religious persuasion, were faithful to the throne and true to the interests of their country"- (Disturbance and loud cheers.) He would proceed to show—(The end of the sentence lost in disturbance.) Perhaps, if some of his Roman Catholic friends would not listen to the lawyers, they would have no objection to hear what the Pope said. (Great sensation.) This was, with reference to the liberal princess who called to her counsel every man, without reference to his religious dis. tinction, who was faithful to the throne. The speaker then read from a paper : " Dated at Rome, at St. Peter's, May sth, 1570. "The damnation and excommunication of Elizabeth, Queen of England, and her adherents, with an addition of other pu nishments. " Pius, bishop, servant of the servants of God, ad peipetuam rei memoriam. " He that reigneth on high, to whom is given all power in heaven and in earth, committed one Holy Catholic and Apos tolic Church (out of which there is no salvation) to one alone upon earth, namely, to Peter, the prince of the apostles, and to Peter's successor, the Bishop of Rome, to be governed in fulness of power. Him alone lie made prince over all people, and all kingdoms, to pluck up, to destroy, scatter, consume, plant, and build; that he may contain the faithful that are knit together, with the hand or charity in the unity of the spirit, and present them spotless and unblameable to their Saviour. _ _ "Being therefore supported by His authority, whose plea. sure it was to place us (though unable for so great a burden) in this supreme throne of justice, we do, out of the fulness of our apostolic power, declare the aforesaid Elizabeth, being a heretic and a favourer of heretics, and her adherents in the matters aforesaid, to have incurred the sentence of anathema, and to be cut off from the unity of the body of Christ. And, moreover, we do declare her to be deprived of her pretended title to the kingdom aforesaid, and of all dominion, dignity, and privilege whatsoever. And, also, the nobility, subjects, and people of the said kingdom, and all others, who have in any sort sworn unto her, to be for ever absolved from any such oath, and all manner of duty, of dominion, allegiance, and obedience; as we also do, by authority of these presents, absolve them. And to deprive the same Elizabeth of her pre tended title to the kingdom, and all other things above said. And we do command and interdict all and every the noblemen, subjects, people, and others aforesaid, that they presume nor to obey her monitions, mandates, and laws : And those who do the contrary, we do immolate with the like sentence of anathema." This was an anathema against Elizabeth ; let them only give the power to the Pope of the present day, and the anathema would be sent forth against Queen Victoria. (Cries of " No, no," "Yes, yes," cheers, hisses, and tremendous confusion.) The resolution asserted further that the aggression now made would be an infringement of the rights aria privileges of the people. He held in his hand an extract from a spcech made by the Rev. Mr. Vanl i eepi t a Roman Catholic, at a meeting in London. The 'speaker said, they (the Catholics) had been accused of being enemies to the advancement of civil and religious prcigress. 'Who, asked the speaker at London, estab lished trial jr jury ? Who gave to the country the twelve judges ? Now they (said Mr. Borgia) well knew that this speech alluded to the passing of the great charter of Englishmen's rights—Magna Charts. Why, they all knew that it was the barons -of England who did this, rot in compliance with the with of the Pupe, but as free-born Englishmen asserting'their rights and liberties which the Pope refused to concede. (Cheers and fusses.) if they would refer to the history-of their own country they would find that this was so. - The Pope was incensed at the temerity of the barons for imposing such terms upon a prince who, by resigning to the Roman Pontiff his crown and dignity, had placedlimseif under Popish pro tection. (Hear, hear, cheers, and hisses.) The Pope, therefore, issued a hall; 'by which he annulled and abro gated the whole charter, as unjust in itself and obtained by compulsion and in a way derogatory to the Apostolic See. (Cheers and hisses.) ,He (the Pope) relieved the barons from executing the observances of the charter, the King from paying regard to it:; absolved all his subjects from their allegiance, and pronounced excommunication against any one who should dare to maintain such trea sonable pretensions. He would, however, come nearer to the present day. The Pope, in his recent bull, claims jurisdiction over all the flock of Christ. This was consistent with the view that no one was a Christian out of the Church of Rome. (Uproarious cries of " no, no," " yes, yes," and tremendous confusion.) Some body said " no, no," but did not the Church of Rome maintain the doctrine that her principles were both unchanged and unchangeable ? He had r?ad a bull of the Pope, in which ho said there was no salvation in any other church than that of Rome. (Cheers, hisses, and confusion.) But let them have everything above board. Who were the Church of Christ ? Either the Pope claimed jurisdiction or he did not. If they (Protestants) were in the Church of Christ, the Pope claimed them. (Confusion.) It was desirable to come nearer home in these matters ; and he should like the meeting to know the oath required to be taken by every bishop of the Church of Rome. (Most outrageous confusion, and cries of " Read, read.") Mr. Horsfall said he would read it, first remarking that it applied equally to the bishops recently appointed over England :—" 11 will persecute and attack, to the utmost of my power, all heretics and schismatics against our lord' --(The rest of the sentence was lost amid the confusion that here ensued.) He (Mr. Horsfall) might be told the Rev. Dr. Doyle had given something like a denial to this ; but an abler man than Dr. Doyle had said that this was the oath. and he would maintain it. He in vited Dr. Doyle to come to the discussion of the question, and said, " If Dr. Doyle will convince me (i. e. convince Dr. Ctimming that this oath is not taken by the bishops of the church of Rome), I will be the first to apologise for having cited it." (Cheers and uproar.) But, said Mr. Horsfall, will any man tell me that any bishop established in this country—and I care not who are called heretics and who are not—taking such an oath as this, did not interfere wi'h the rights and liberties of the people ? (Confusion.) I am going for once to agree with a Roman Catholic bishop. I find by a letter pub lished by William of Northampton, who I believe is one of the newly-appointed bishops, that he speaks °Elbe good conduct of the English Roman Catholics. (Hear, hear.) lam not going to arraign that gentleman, but what I am going to find fault with is, the system which the Pope of Rome has introduced into this country ; anl I give it you. not as my opinion, but the opinion of a man who is acknowledged to be a most liberal-minded statesman. I allude to that most popular historian, Mr. Macaulay. (Hear.) He speaks of the very 300 years to which William of Northampton refers : "From the time when the barbarians overran the western empire to the time of the revival of letters, the influence of the Church of Rome had been generally favourable to science, to civilisation, and to good government; but during the last three centuries, to stunt the growth of the human mind has been her chief object." , _ That is the opini in of a I.beral statesman. (Hear, hear and loud cheering.) "Throughout Chilstendom,'whatever advance has been made in knowledge, in freedom, in wealth, and in the arts of life, has been made in spite of her, and has everywhere been in inverse proportion to her power. The lovelieSt and most fertile pro vinces of Europe have, under her rule, been sunk in poverty, in politica: serv►tude, and in intellectual torpor, while Protes tant countries, once proverbial for sterility and barbarism, have been turned by skill and industry into gardens, and can boast of a long list of heroes and statesmen, philosophers, and poets. Whoever, knowing what Italy and Scotland naturally are, and what, four hundred years ago, they actually were, shall now compare the country mini Rome with the country round Edinburgh, will be able to form some jUthment as to the tendency of Papal domination. The descent of Spain, once the first among monarchies, to the lowest depths of degrada tion; the elevation of Holland, in spite of many natural dis advantages, to a position such as no commonwealth so small has ever reached, teach the same lesson. Whoever passes in Germany from a Roman Catholic to a Protestant principality, in Switzerland from a Roman Catholic to a ProV etant canton, in Ireland from a Roman Catholic to a Protestant county, finds that he has passed from a lower to a higher grade of civi lisation. England is a Protestant and monarchial country. On the other side of the Atlantic the same law prevails. The Protestants of the United States have left far belied them the Roman Catholics of Mexico, Peru, and Brazil. The Roman Catholics of Lower Canada remain inert, while the whole con tinent around them is in a ferment with Protestant activity and enterprise. The French have, doubtless, shewn an energy and ari intelligence which, even when misdirected, have justly entitled them to be called a great people. But this apparent exception, when examined, will be found to confirm the rule; Catholic Cnurcfi, during spirgral generations, has the Roma❑ possessed so little power as in France," I am very anxious that our Roman Catholic friends who feel themselves in any point aggrieved by the Protestants of England resisting the jurisdiction of the Pope of Rome should know something of the doings of the Papists at Rome with regard to Protestants in the community there. In the year 1844 a fund was subscribed to build a Protes tant Church at Rome. The parties contracted with a Roman Catholic gentleman for the land necessary for the purpose, and that gentleman (I quote my friend's words, and he is a clergyman,) received an intimation that, if he persisted in his purpose, the holy office would take care of him. I need hardly remind you that the holy office is the Inquisition. (Cheers and uproar.) An English noble man waited upon the Governor of Rome, and told him what had been done for the Roman Catholics in England —what we had done for them here, and be expressed a hope that the Protestants would be allowed to build their church. Instead of this there is a miserable paltry shed erected at the outside of the city, within the walls of which no heretic is allowed to worship. (Hear, hear.) And as a proof of this, I will tell you and I have the gentleman's signature, and he told it to my brother, that when the Protestants were assembled at a house in Rome for Protestant worship, they were dis missed by the police. (Cheers.) Before the Pope com plains of intolerance in England, he must show liberality at Rome. (Applause.) If (Mr. Horsfall concluded) I have shown you that this aggression is illegal—if I have shown you that it is an infringement of the prerogative of the Crown—if I have shown you that it will be an inter ference with the rights and liberties of the people—if I have shown you from Mr. Macaulay what that system will be if introduced to this country, then, my friends, I can with confidence appeal to you as loyal subjects of a gracious and beloved Queen,—(applause)-1 appeal to you as patriots who love your country—(applause)—l appeal to you as freemen determined to be neither slaves in body or soul—l appeal to you, and ask you to unite in heart and hand to resist this usurpation, and to say also, from the very depths of your hearts, from all such usurpers God save the Queen ! (Mr. Horsfall sat down amid loud cheering and waving of hats, almost the entire company in the pit and boxes rising.) Mr..G. GRANT seconded'the resolution. The MAYOR inquired whether any gentleman intended to move an amendment. The Rev. I‘lr. WALMSLEY, Roman Catholic priest, of St. Nicholas, Copperas-hill, presented himself to address the meeting amidst much interruption. Order being at length restored, the rev. gentleman said, they would allow him to ask, what all this hubbub was about ? (Uproar.) He was a John Bull himself, born in this county of Lan caster, and educated in a neighbouring one. (A voice.— " A Jesuit !" and another voice—" Pull your cloak off !") The rev. gentleman having taken the advice, stepped to the front of the platform. The confusion continuing the Mayor threatened to dissolve the meeting if every speaker were not listened to. Mr. Walmsley then continued : If the question bad been considered by Englishmen calmly and dispassionately, such a meeting as that held to-day would be unnecessary. (" Oh !") All he asked them was, that upon this, as upon the common affairs of life, they would believe him—(" Oh !" and laughter)— that they would give him credit for sincerity. (Continued laughter.) Mr. Horsfall bad read them many extracts, and if ever there were another edition of the Tales of my Grandmother they would deserve to be included in it. Those calumnies had been so often refuted that it was an insult to their understandings to allude to them. (" Ques tion.") The question was, whether the Pope of Rome had assumed, or intended to assume, power in this country which he ought not to do. (Cheers.) Now the Pope already held spiritual authority in this country, and that authority had been recognized by the British government. (A Voice.—" More shame for them," and great cheering.) The Catholics (shouts of " Papists") always held the spiritual supremacy of the Pope, and permission to do so had been conceded to them by the Act of Emancipation. The rev. gentleman proceeded to read the declaration of the Catholic bishops at the time of the Emancipation Act, in answer to the charge of dividing their allegiance between the Pope and the Sovereign of this country, in which they asserted that their allegiance to the Sovereign of these realms was perfect and undivided. (Cheers from the Roman Catholics.) Did they think he was bound to obey the Pope in any temporal authority ? (Cheers and " Yes.") The Catholic bishops spoke the sentiments of the laity in this declaration, and, if the Pope should bring an army against this country, he (Mr. Walmsley) should think it his duty—(great cheering and uproar.) A voice exclaimed—(" The Pope can't protect himself")—if the Popo should set foot on this land with an army, he (Mr. Walmsley) would become a belligerent priest, and would stand forward in defence of the Queen. (Loud cheers.) He would honour the man who should drive back the Pope, and he would shed his blood in such a cause, (Cheers.) The rev. gentleman concluded by moving an amendment. (Great cheering, disapprobation, and con fusion.) The MAYOR stood forward to explain that the amend ment was withdrawn for the present. It could only be in order when the next resolution was proposed. Mr. It. SHELL (Roman Catholic) said that there was no intention whatever on the part of the Pope of interfering with the Protestants of this country. (Disapprobation.) The gentlemen who gnt up this meeting took care to secure that they should be in a majority at it. (Uproar, and cries of " Apologize to the Mayor !" and " Go on !") He owed no apology to the Mayor, because he did not allude to the Mayor. (Disapprobation and great confu sion, followed by three cheers for the Mayor.) He did everything— The MAYOR must say that Mr. Sheil had imputed very unworthy motives, and lie hoped he would retract the ex pression as regarded the respectable body of requisitionists. Mr. SHELL thereupon resumed his seat, rather than apologize, but his retreat being met by a derisive burst of cheering, Mr. Sheil, following a sudden impulse, again came to the front -of the platform, and attempted to ad dress the meeting. If he had erred he was sorry for it. (Cheers.) - Without replying to Mr. flOrsfall's quota- THE lIIIRPOOL STANDAIt3. tions, he •must-say that, although he might have stated the truth, he bad not stated the whole truth. He did not .think it iufair mode of exeression to say that the Pope had partitioned out the land of this country. How could be point out the jurisdiction of his prelates without reference to the land ? And why should Dr. Wiseman have greater influence under one title than another? (Great disapprobation.) Mr. Horsfall had told them that the Tope bad denounced Queen Elizabeth. Whether he had or not, he (Mr. Shiel) did not know. But when be said that the'Pope might denounce Queen Victoria, and that it would be agreeable to the Catholics of this•coun try, there be fell into a decided mistake. A denunciation of Queen Victoria by the Pope would be of no more value than a denunciation of the Pope by that meeting. Mr. Horsfall •had read a quotation to show that the recent proceedings of the Pope were contrary to law. If so, *het meeting was totally unnecessary. (Cheers, and " No, no.") Let the matter be investigated, and quietly settled in the courts of law. Mr. Shiel concluded by movine an amendment. (Great disapprobation.) The Rev. R. HODGSON, Roman Catholic priest, of Burnley, rose to second tke resolution, amid great con fusion and interruption. Being asked who he was, the rev. gentleman said—" I have been a Roman Catholic priest, in the exercise of missionary duties."—Renewed uproar, in the course of which the rev. gentleman re tired, after a communication from The MAYOR, who came forward and said—l have been compelled to stop Mr. Hoagson, because he is not a townsman of Liverpool. (Great cheering.) The Rev. Mr. WORTHY, Roman Catholic priest, of Copperas-hill, stepped forward to second the amendment. He would not detain them longer than by expressing his perfect allegiance and loyalty to Queen Victoria. He only owed spiritual allegiance to the Bishop of Rome. The rev gentleman read the amendment, which was re ceived with a storm of hisses and disapprobation. THE MAYOR first put the amendment, for which great numbers of hands were held up in the gallery, and a few in the pit. This demonstration of the vast numerical pre ponderance of the Protestant part of the meeting was the signal for rapturous cheering. When it had subsided, the Mayor declared the original motion carried. The Rev. Dr. M'IsTEilE then came forward, and was received with deafening and prolonged cheering. A party of disturbers, however, commenced an uproar, which was evidently designed to prevent the rev. doctor from being heard. Having waited a :one time without succeeding in obtaining a hearing, Dr. M'Neile leisurely took a seat to the front of the platform, and began to make his speech to the reporters, without attempting to make himself heard by the meeting. The gentlemen of the press stood up, and, leaning forward with their note-booke, formed them selves, as well as they could, into an audience for the rev. gentleman. This proceeding was at first received with shouts of laughter and great cheering by the vast meeting. The doctor, thus addressing the reporters, had got no further than the remark that "The question before the meeting and. unhappily, before the country, which was shaking the kingdom to its centre, was not a new question ; " when the uproar b ecame d ea f en i ng , an d scarcely ree of the reporters into whose ears the rev. doctor was shouting his speech could hear his remarks. The malcontents being unwilling that Dr. M'Neile should gain the ears of these gentlemen, jumped from the pit upOn the reporters' table, .and made a sortie upon the platform. The confusion was now indescribable. Ink stands were upset, and notebooks and slips of copy were flying about in all directions. The reporters were com pelled, of course, to leave their seats and take refuge upon the platform. At this moment a body of the police, armed with their staves, made their appearance, and attempted to drive the invaders back into the pit. The Mayor mounted the table, and exclaimed that he would not de sert his post, although his worship's voice was all but in audible In the uproar. In a few minutes, through the ex ertions of the police, the disturbance subsided, and, the police having planted themselves in different parts of the amphitheatre, the proceedings were, after a considerable interval, resumed. The MAYott then said—" Gentlemen, T am here as Mayor of Liverpool, and I claim a fair hearing and fair play for every speaker ; and I trust that as Englishmen you will award fair play to everybody. (Cheers.) If gentlemen would only be quiet, we should very soon dis pose of our business." The Rev. HUGII Al'Neng then, in the midst of com parative quietude, said, " I come before this meeting" (Renewed hisses and groans.) You have heard four speakers on the other side, and now you are afraid to hear me. (Loud cheers.) The question before the meeting—which had stirred the country to its centre— was not a new one. It was called into agitation by a new occurrence, but it was an old question. (Hear, hear.) There was nothing new about it. It was the old form of Papal assumption, Papal interference—(hear, hear)--- Papal domination, Papal supremacy—(loud cheers) — under the plausible pretence of spiritual jurisdiction. (Renewed cheers.) Many persons in this country had thought that all contention upon this subject had ceased ; that society had so improved in intelligence and civiliza tion, in light and liberty, that the intolerant principles of the middle ages were abjured for ever, and by every one ; that, in fact, modern Popes had no notion of reviving the intolerant principles put forth by their predecessors; and that nothing hit a spirit of bigotry, as dark as existed in those ages, could continue to ascribe to them any such principles of intolerance, or admit them to be capable of any such acts of absurdity. (Mingled hisses and laugh ter.) Facts are eloquent. A Papal bull, dated Septem ber, 1850, has done what no Protestant arguments or demonstrations could have done. The claim of supre macy, which for a long time was not put forward in this country, slumbered. (Hear, hear, and hisses.) Why this foolish bull, if it is good for nothing? If matters were still the same, and if there were no occasion for this " hubbub," then the Pope has spoken uselessly, his own friends being the judges. (Cheers and hisses.) It slumbered ; but it slumbered like the lava in the deep crater of the volcano, always burning, and ready to burst from its imprisonment in wide desolation when opportu nity offered. (Hisses and cheers.) He rose to propose an address to her most excellent Majesty the Queen. Now, he was not one of those disposed to treat a bull o: the Pope like one of his grand Mother's tales. (Laughter and cheers.) He was not one of those who did not know whether the Pope issued such and such a bull, or not, in the reign of Queen Elizabeth ; he was not one of those who, whilst they maintained that the principles of the Romish Church were the same, unaltered always, and who, while they gloried in the statement,at the same time denied that which the Pope said three hundred years ago, and held that to be true which a Pope denied now. (Loud cheers and uproar.) Now it was desirable, in prosecu ting this subject, without exaggeration or without exte nuation, that they should make themselves acquainted with this same veritable bull. (Laughter and cheers.) He had carefully read this bull. It contained what he might call seven heads or horns. (Great laughter, cheers, and disapprobation.) And it had a sting in its tail. (Laughter:) First, it stated the Pope's assumption of authority ; secondly, the Pope gave a recital of what his predecessors had done for this country, to console the Church of England for its immense disgraces, and to work for its resurrection ; thirdly, it contained the reasons— [Here some question, which we did not catch, was put to the rev. gentleman from the gallery.] The rev. gentle man said he was too much engaged with a great question to think of himself, and then proceeded. Thirdly, the bull contained the Pope's reasons for now putting his own hand to the work; fourthly, his distribution of the kingdom into districts, to be under men appointed with apostolic powers; fifthly, it contained the Pope's reserva tion to himself of the right of Subdividing those districts at any future time that he may think proper; sixthly, it contained the Pope's description of the powers and obli gations of the bishops and archbishops now appointed by him; seventhly. it contained the Pope's abrogation of the former form—as he called it—the former form of the Church of England ; and, lastly, it contained his decree, that all which might be done to the contrary by any one, whosoever he might be, knowing or ignorant, in the name of any authority whatsoever, should be without force and void. There was an analysis of the bull ; and now, if they really wanted information, he would say a few words on each of these branches. (Cheers, and cries of " Go on.' ) First of all there was the Pope's assumption of power, which was this,—" the power of governing the Universal Church, entrusted by our Lord Jesus Christ to the Ro man Pontiff in the person of St. Peter. the Prince of the Apostles. and his successors, as maintained for centuries in the Apostolic see." Here the Pope asserted what he (the Rev. Mr. M'Neile) said, without offence, all the Popes that had ever reigned could not prove. The Pope asserted that the power of governing the Universal Church was entrusted by our Lord Jesus Christ to the Roman Pontiff in the person of St. Peter. Now he (the Rev. Mr. M'Neile) did not confine himself to negatives; the reverse of this could be and had been proved—(cries of " Never !")—that no man,—that St. Peter himself never pretended to such authority,—that there was no intima tion of it, and that no man ever pretended to it, until five hundred years after St. Peter was in his grave. (Cheers and disapprobation.) Here the rev. speaker, turning to the Chair, said, Mr. Mayor, if you wish for information on this subject, I wish to recommend to you a speech re cently made in London, by a bookseller of London, and published in a separate form. I have the honour of pre senting you with a copy. The speech is called, " The Pope a Pretender ;" and it was delivered by Mr. Seeley, a bookseller, at a meeting of the parish of St. Dunstan's, London. Now, in the second place, the Pope told them what his predecessors had done in their behalf out of their great care for England, beginning with his predecessor Gregory the Thirteenth. On the 23d of March, 1623, the Pope issued a bull in which he deputed a Bishop,—who was a bishop also in name,—Wm. Bishop, with ample faculties and powers for the episcopal government of England. No more was said of him; he soon died, and the Pope proceeded to tell them of a second, and that af ter the death of Bishop, on the 24th of June, 1625, Pope Urban the Eighth appointed, as his successor in England, Richard Smith, Bishop of Chalcis. The Pope said no thing more about him ; but he (the Rev. Dr. M'Neile) had something more to tell them, which they would be glad to hear. It was a little transaction which it was not deemed convenient or expedient for the Pope to mention. It was this ; when Richard Smith came into this country, he was declared guilty of high treason ; a reward of one hundred guineas was offered for his apprehension, and he fled the kingdom. (Great cheering.) The Pope pro ceeded to speak in his bull of more favourable times for the Catholic religion in England. It seemed to the Pope that in the time of King James the Second, more favour able days were coming for the Catholic Church in Eng land. He (the Rev. Dr. M`Neile) did not wonder at it. James the Second (cries of " Question, question.) He was speaking to the question ; he was speaking of the Pope's bull, which was the very foundation of the whole affair. James the Second saying to the ambassador of France immediately-after his accession, that the people of England were unconsciously Catholic at Leart, and that it required but little management to make them declare themselves so openly ' • James the Second attending mas s in a Romish Chapel, with open doors, within two days of his accession James the Second, in defiance of the laws of the country, filling the army with Roman Catho lic officers, and when the clergymen of the Church of England turned.over to Rome, giving them dispensations to retain the incnmes and administration'of their cures; James the Second sanctioning the building of Roman Ca tholic chapels in London ; James the Second depriving the corporations of England of their ancient privileges ; James the Second requiring a declaration of tolerance for the en snaring of Dissenters to be issued, the real meaning of which was to damage the Church, and seven bishops of the Church of England, faithful to their principles, going to the Tower rather than compromise them. (Great cheering.) These certainly were circumstances which, as the bull said, were more favourable to the Catholic reli gion, and the Pope told them in his bull that Pope Inno cent the Second profited at once by these circumstances, and sent John Leyburn as his vicar apostolic over all the kingdom of England. These facts in the page of our his tory certainly seemed favourable to the Catholic religion ; but the page ought not to be closed with these facts, for it did not terminate there. (Applause.) There were inde pendent judges in England, as well as bishops, in those days (great cheering)—there were faithful, independent jurymen in England - (renewed cheering)--;the laws were administered faithfully; the bishops were acquitted; and all England rang with one shout of triumph. (Loud and prolonged cheering.) England shone in the light of the bonfires that were lighted in honour of the victory of the bishops, which was, in fact, a victory over the Pope. (Applause and uproar.) Here was another passage from that page of English history to which the Pope referred them :—William of Orange sailed down the Channel (en thusiastic cheering); he had the English flag at the mast head of his ships, and inscribed upon his flag was the motto which they still inscribed upon their flags, and were, at that moment, deepening into letters of gold, namely, " The Protestant Religion, and the Liberties of England." (A burst of cheering succeeded, in which nearly all the meeting very heartily joined.) The third head of the Pope's bull told them of the motives which had induced him to put his own hand to the work at the present time. These were-Ist, following the example of his predecessors ; 2ndly, the movements of hie own heart towards that portion of the Lord's vineyard in the king dom of England ; 3rdly, the falling off of several obsta cles in the way. Yes, exclaimed the rev. gentleman, there were such obstacles : there were penal laws in the Statute Rook (much cheering and counter cheering)—laws which their forefathers had been compelled to enact in da, s when there was more sincerity on the part of the Pope. (Hear, bear, from the platform.) Those statutes have been, one by one, removed from the statute book ; the "obstacles" were falling away with them ; and not only this, but the acts of the Government and Legislature of the Government and Legislature_ of the country were encouraging to the Pope. The endowment of Romanism in the colonies by the British government, who devoted many thousands of pounds annually to support what, Englishman thought wrong, was, no doubt, very encou raging to the Pope ; the endowment of Romanism in Ire land—the making a national institution of Maynooth— (great cheering and uproar)--the Romanizing tendencies of many clergymen of the Church of England ; these were encouragements, indeed ; and, being urged by such mo tives, the Pope further said that he besought the assistance of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God—(a cry of " Oh, oh !" and laughter)—and of all the Saints, whose virtues and sanctity. he said, had cast such a lustre on England, to obtain, by their intercession with God, the happy success of this enterprise. (Laughter, and cries of (` Oh. oh !") He (Dr. M'Neile) now proceeded to the enterprise itself, namely, the division of England into dis tricts, of which the Pope himself had declared that of his own proper motion, and on his own certain knowledge, and in the plentitude of his apostolical power, he had re solved and did thereby decree, the re-establishment—the re-establishment, mind—of the Catholic Church in Eng land. (Hear, hear.) Was there no difference, then, be tween what the Pope was doing now, and what had been done heretofore ? The Pope said—" We decree the re establishment"—there-establishment, mind. (Great up roar ) He protested that he paid more respect to the language of the Pope than did the Pope's own adherents. (Much laughter and cheering.) The Pope decreed the re-establishment of the hierarchy according to the canon laws of the church, (let them not forget that, for he would have something to say about it by and by,) the bishops deriving their titles from their own sees, constituted by previous letters and decrees of the apostolical see. The Pope then began , as in duty bound, with the metropolis ; in due course he came to Lancashire; in Lancashire there were to be two bishops, of whom the Bishop of Liverpool was to be one. (Loud cries of "No Bishop." and great uproar.) The . Bishop of Liverpool would have for his diocese—so the bull said—the Isle of Mona, and the dis. tri, is of Lonsdale, Amountlerness, and West Derby ; and the other, the Bishop of Salford, wonld exercise his juris diction over Salford, Blackburn, and Leyland. Now, he wished to call the attention of the meeting to the fact that this was not an appointment for the Roman Catholics of England only. (Hear, hear.) The Pope did not say so. He said it was an appointment for England. (Cries of " Hear, hear," " No, no," and continued uproar.) He had read the very words of the bull. There was a " peculiar nicety" (alluding to a remark made by one of the Roman Catholic priests) in this fact to which he wished to call the chairman's notice. The mover of the amendment in vited the meeting to say " that the pope's:appointment of an archbishop over the Roman Catholics of Westminister was no invasion of the queen's prerogative," but the seconder very conveniently omitted the words "over the Roman Catholics," and invited us to say " that the ap pointment of a Roman Catholic Archbishop of West minster was no invasion of the queen's prerogative." There was what a former speaker called a " peculiar nicety" in this specimen of Catholic unity and accuracy. The alteration was important, and made all the difference. (Loud cheers.) The next head of the Pope's bull asserted the right of the Pope to divide the provinces of England into bishoprics, and of course to increase the number of bishops in such manner and to such extent "as it may ap rear meet before the Lord." (Cheers.) The Pope natu rally imagined that if the first move succeeded, it would lead to such an increase in the number of Roman Catho as would render it necessary to subdivide the dioceses, and increase the number of bishops. Very natural th;s ; there seemed to be good sense in it ; but it yet might not be absolutely necessary. (Cheers.) He now came to a matter of more consequence. The Pope defined the powers and obligations of the new archbishop and bishops, both as it regards the government of the clergy over the people, and as it concerned these powers and obligations, and declares that they will enjoy " all rights and privileges which the archbishops and bishops can use, according to the disposition of the sacred canons and the apostolic constitutions. And they will likewise be equally bound by all the obligations." Mr. Horsfall had referred to some of these in the bishop's oath—" to which other bishops and archbishops are held by the common disci pline of the catholic church." (Hear.) It might be interesting to many present to have some proof of what the canon law of the Roman Catholic Church was. He knew the meeting would not like much reading, but it was a very short extract he intended to make. He held a volume in his hand from which he must ask permission to read one page, as illustrating the nature of the canon law. It was the able work of Mr. Hallam on " the Middle Ages," and in it there was one chapter on the subject of " Ecclesiastical power." The rev. gentleman then read as follows : .• This general supremacy effected by the Romish church in the 12th and 13th centuries derived material support from the promulgation of the canon law. The foundation of this juris prudence is laid in the decrees of council and the rescripts or decretal epistles of popes to (locations propounded upon emer gent doubts relative to matters of discipline and ecclesiastical economy. As the jurisdiction of the spiritual tribunals in creased, and extended to a variety of persons and causes, it became almost necessary to establish an uniform system for the regulation of their decisions,. After several minor compi lations had appeared. Gratian, an Italian monk, published, about the year 1140, his Decretum,' or general collection of canons, papal epistles, and sentences of fathers, arranged and digested into titles and chapters, in imitation of the Pan dects,' which, very little before, had begun to be studied again with great diligence. This work of Gratian, though it seems rather an extraordinary performance for the age when it ap peared, has been censured for notorious incorrectness as well as inconsistency, and especially for the authority given in it to the false decretals of Isiderei and consequently to the papal supremacy. It fell, however, short of what was required in the progress of that usurpation. Gregory IX. caused the 5 books of Decretals' to be published by Raimodd de Pennalort, in 1234. These consist almost entirely of rescripts issued by the later popes, especially Alexander 111., Innocent 111., Honorius 111., and Gregory himself. They form the most essential part of the canon law, the • Decretum' of Gratian being compa ratively obsolete. In these books we rind a regular and co pious system of jurisprudence, derived, in a great measure, from the civil law, but with considerable deviation, and, pos sibly, improvement. Boniface VIII. added a sixth part, thence called the Sext,' itself divided into five books, in the nature of a supplement to the other five, of which it follows the arrangement, and composed of decisions promulgated since the pontificate of Gregory IX. New constitutions were subjoined by Clement V. and John XXII., under the names of Clementines' and Extravagantes Johannis' ; and a few more, of later pontiffs„ are included in the body of canon law, ar ranged as a second supplement, after the manner of the'Sext,' and called Extravagantes Communes.' " Here was a plain statement of what the canon law was, viz., the rescripts and the decrees of the Romish Church, mixed up with sentences of the fathers. It was of deep importance to refer to this, because the distinction now taken, and pressed on public attention between the spiri tual and the temporal jurisdiction required an answer; and if they could not give an answer they were bound to admit that which they contended did not exist—a differ. once between the spiritual and temporal jurisdiction claimed by the Romish Church. (Cheers.) In the ad. dress which had recently been presented to the Queen from the Roman Catholics of England, and written, as it was supposed, by Cardinal Wiseman, her Majesty was assured " that the step which had been taken was a purely ecclesiastical one ; that the authority claimed by the Pope was purely spiritual ; and that it left un touched every tittle of her Majesty's power, authority, and jurisdiction, as sovereign of these realms, and did not in the slightest degree diminish their loyalty and respect for her person and throne." (" Hypocrisy.") Hypocrisy ! yes, but they wanted an argument. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) In the letter which the Romish Bishop Ullathorne had written the other day in the Times, he stated that " the re-establishment of an Archbishop and additional Bishoprics in this country was solely with a view of enabling the Roman Catholics fully to carry out the advantages which had begn conferred upon them by the Emancipation Act, and that it related only to spiritual matters." This is written in adaption to . British law and British habits of thought and feeling. A. reference to the canon law under which these gentlemen are trained to exercise their powers and faculties derived from the Pope will throw light upon this. I read from the celebtated constitution' of. Boniface, entitled " Unam Sanetam"— " The church is oue body, and has one head. Under its command are two swords, the one spiritual, the other temporal ; that to be used by the supreme pontiff, this by kings and knights, by his license and will. But the lesser sword must be subject to the greater, and the temporal to the spiritual authority." " Uterque est in potestate eccle!. site, spiritualis scilicet gladius et inater!Ois. Bed is quidem pro ecclesia, ille vero ab ecelesta exer cendus : ille sacerdotis, is maim regu m ac militum, sed ad nutum et patientiam sac erdotis. Oportet anthm gilt_ diutn esse sub gladio, et temporaletn auctontatem sprituali subjici potestati." (" Hear, hear," and cheers.) The rev. doctor then read in Latin the passage of the bull to which he referred, addressing himself to the Roman Catholic priests on the platform, upon which a gentleman in the pit requested him to turn round. The rev. doctor said, " You don't know Latin there." (Laughter.) He would tell it them in English. "It was indispensable that a sword should be under a sword, and that tem poral authority should be under the spiritual authority." In connexion with this he would read one sentence more, and that should be from the great Gregory—he meant Pope Innocent. (Laughter.) Any man might make a mistake of the tongue, but it was not every man who at once acknowledged it and set it right. (Great cheering.) Pope Innocent, in - his declaration, said :—" As the sun and the moon are placed in the firmament, the greater as the light of the day, the lesser of the night, there are, therefore, two powers of the church, the pontifical having the charge of souls being the greater, and royal rule, which is less, to whom the bodies of men are only en trusted." Now, there was the distinction between spi ritual and temporal authority (hear and applause) ; but with this addition, which it was not expedient for the Pope or the Roman Catholic clergy to put forward in their ad. dress—the addition, that the temporal must be subjected to the spiritual. (Applause.) And so surely it must be. They knew full well that wherever a spiritual authority is established in a country, there no temporal laws, having temporal sanction, can continue to be of real practical authority. Fine, imprisonment, pain, ay death itself, to the body are but mean and contemptible instruments of power compared with conscience, remorse, exclusive dealing, eternal agony! (Cheers.) The temporal sove reign is but a momentary executioner; the spiritual so vereign is the eternal tormentor. (Applause.) Now, it was here that Romanism, as a system of doctrine, played into the bands of Romanism as a temporal conspiracy; the saving grace of God absolutely confined to the sacra ments, and the administration of the sacraments abso lutely in the power of the bishops end priests. Here was an engine of tyranny. (Uproar, hisses, and cheers.) The priests were under no obligation to administer the sacraments, and they had invented five in addition to the two ordained by Christ. The Romish people were told that their present happiness and everlasting salvation depended upon these sacraments—baptism to begin with, extreme unction to end with. As long as their conscience had more power over them than their temporal fears, they were the slaves of the priesthood who had these sacra ments in their hands. (Hisses and applause.) We had all heard of an interdict from Rome commanding priests not to give to people the sacraments. This had been recently the case with Sardinia. The Romish priests had, in consequence, the means of absolute power : they could command absolute obedience—they could approach to military discipline—they could act in masses : and who does not see at a glance the tremendous advantage arising from this complete organisation, in a free country like this, where Protestants act only from extemporaneous movements and without the suspicion of combination ? If such an organisation were permitted in this country, we should soon have civil commotions such as have been the distress and disgrace of unhappy Ireland for years past. (Applause and uproar.) No temporal government, stand ing on laws with mere temporal sanctions, can long hold out against a spiritual confederacy, operating on tempo rals by means of the consciences of its victims. (Cheers.) He begged the chairman and the intelligent part of the audience, to notice that it was practically impossible to separate what might be theologically separated from tem poral jurisdiction and things. As long as men are made of body and soul, if you give spiritual ddminion over the soul to one man, then it is in vain you keep temporal au thority over tne body to another. (Cheers.) Has the Pope no temporal power in England ? (" No, no," from the Romanists.) Then see how close the connexion : see what a noise his spiritual power makes now. (Cheers.) The connection was in fact inseparable. His spiritual power had induced those present to come from their peace ful occupations to that amphitheatre, and refuse to submit to it. Spiritual power had do n e it, because they could not violate their consciences. Did he blame them for this ? I He never blamed a misguided conscience, however much he might pity it. (Hear, hear.) But he would now pass to the seventh head of the pope's bull, in which he abrogated the former form of the English church. They would observe that the pope went back a very long period, and spoke of the former form of the English church—that period antecedent to the Reformation, when the whole professions of the country were outwardly Roman catholic. Why should he abrogate these forms ? He would tell why ; because in that time, even in Roman catholic times, the appointment of archbishops and bishops in England lav in the crown, and not in the pope. In the time of William I. there was a contest with the celebrated pope Hildebrand, on the question of the investiture of bishops. On the continent the pope succeeded, and the emperor of Germany was obliged to give way. William, however, determined not to give way, and he would not leave Hs bishops to the investiture of the pope. He maintained his ground, and the pope was obliged to succumb. (cheers) William Rufus had a quarrel with Anselm on this subject, and Anselm was banished from the country. Anselm went to Rome and got further powers from the pope. While he was absent, Henry I. came to the throne, and was left to fight it out. Urban 11. excommunicated all who resisted his decree, and Anselm was th e b earer o f this excommunication. The king resolutely resisted this attempt of the pope, and commanded Anselm to be obe dient to his sovereign. Anselm replied that he could not be disobedient to the pope, upon which the king said that he would never allow any man who refused him the secu rities of a subject to enjoy estates within his dominions. (Cheers.) He (De. M`Neile) hoped that the sovereign of England would be ready to say the same—(cheers) and any person sent from the Pope of Rome who refused, on that ground, to take the oath of allegiance, would at once be seen to be a rebel to the Crown of England.—(Cheers. A voice : " It is time for you to wind up," and cries of "Go on, go.") He had no doubt that there were some persons present to whom it would have been agreable that he had wound up long ago.—("Hear, hear," and cheers.) There was, unfortunately, an exception in our history, already referred to by previous speakers—he alluded to the famous, or rather, as he should say, infa mous, instance of King John, It served to teach us the tone which the Bishop of Rome takes whenever a sove reign appears to him either hesitating or doubtful. The language of the Pope to King John, by his legate, was worthy of repetition at the present time. It tells us that he would have us to know that he had full power over the Church of Canterbury, and did not wait for or require the consent of princes; and he commanded that whom he might appoint should be received, on pain of a great curse, and that he, and he alone, should be chosen whom the Pope pleased to nominate. The King attempted to stand by his own prerogative. Two legates from Rome arrived, and demanded, first, the restitution of lands and rents received from the Holy Church ; and secondly, to receive Stephen into his dignity of archbishop, and, moreover. make such further restitution as the church might think fit. A sentiment had been largely applauded by some of the previous speakers, that the principles of the Church of Rome were unchanged and unchangeable. He would just remark, that a sword in the scabbard was still a sword. The rev. gentleman here read from Hallam's History of the Middle Ages a discussion between the Pope's legates and the King, from which the Pope claimed the preroga tive of setting up whomsoever he pleased , for King— (laughter)—and that for the future no heir to the throne should be crowned without the consent of the see of Rome, according to the well known principle of the canon law, if the evil (i. e., the heretics) were so weak that it might be removed without injury to the good, then it ought to be removed ; but if the evil were so strong that it could not be removed without injury to the good, then it must be tolerated till better times. (Cheers.) John cer tainly gave way, but in the 40th year of Edward 111. it was declared in Parliament that any act of King John, without the consent of Parliament, was without effect that the act of John was against his coronation - oath and that all acts of the Pope against the King should be resisted and opposed to the utmost of their power. The Pope, in this instance, was obliged to give way, and he did so. (Cheers.) And here was a good precedent for the present Pope to follow. (H ear . h ear .) But there was one further argument against them, and used so strongly, that he felt it necessary to say a fes words upon it. It was, that they wore afraid to give Catholics fair play in argument, and that they wanted to use force against them. This was well expressed in a recent letter of Mr. Ambrose Phillips. Mr. Phillips said—" Surely, there is common sense in what the Pope has done, but where is the com mon sense in making an outcry about it ? I should understand the meaning of this outcry if it went a little further, if it said boldly at once, we feel that Protestant argument cannot stand against Catholic argument ; only give Catholicism fair play, and Protestantism must fall before it, therefore keep it down by force of arms." Here was the objection, in the words of one who held it and used it; and it was very well calculated to take effect on minds ignorant and uninformed ; but if Romanism or Popery, because there was no need then to mince the matter or quarrel about names—(hear)—if popery were exclusively an ecclesiastical system for the diffusion of doctrines—he should say for false doctrines—(uproar)-- if it were exclusively— A VOICE : You are a liar.—(Great uproar.) Dr. M'NEILE.—If it were exclusively a false church, if it relied exclusively: on arguments for its defence and propagation, and if we experienced any fear about having it in full and free operation, then we would be liable to the full force of this observation.—(Hear, hear.) But Popery was complex.—(Hear.) It was not exclusively an ecclesiastical or spiritual system ; it was also a political conspiracy for the establishment of universal dospotism. —(Great uproar, hisses, and loud cheers.) Extraordinary manifestations of feeling arose. In saying what he had said, he was giving the Pope credit for sincerity, and those who denied it were charging the Pope with abso lute falsehood.—(Cheers.) He declared it was a very marvellous thing, and it might be recorded for the instruc tion of this nation, that a clergyman of the Church of England, in a public meeting, because he had given l the o- Pope credit for sincerity, and said so, that his own cam rous and disorderly supporters denied it. He said that the Pope had declared, by divers bulls , of which he had read to them, that universal s overe ignt y The sword that kings used being but an un der. was his.— (Applause.) Universal sovereign tygtper ! the work of the decree which the p riest prom lgi then. could le res (Hear, hear, and applause.) How, hat he could be con t short of universal empire ? To say t u s e e n . e ) tent with equality in any kingdom , was to say that be had rapatte—od. u do asked hypocritically what he did not intend to insist upon. —(Applause.) To say he did intend to insist upon it, was to give him credit for sinc erit y in w hat he asked. He said that Romanism was not exclusively a system for t o e f ac h li o i w ng a false readilyit do w et o r u in ld e. m l e f et it fa w ir ere a , nd the fr y had a free discussion. Tlie te y h h i a r d k a in s d a n m e p ss le i n of h hearing it a ; ri n b g u t h i i t m. was T n h o e t ya thered many they y had sample of its fairness, f or h e h a d to t h ank the meeting for sam ples of unfairness, disturbances, and interruptions, when nothing but argument was intended. We never use violence. We never interrupt any one's meeting ; if we go to them, we submit to the chairman. We listen to what is said. We revolve the argument into matter for NOT. 261S' 24) foe iet lt A4 there is no argument in clamour.—(APP l t. tri? l ,4 ge ) future thought; but we do-not cla mour, a very well for gentlemen to speak of th e corn I:woriti,j of an enlightened and a free people, with h spirit, the Bible—(great applause)—in their .4o; p “ ov er si i it was perfectly true that in argumen t such w 130100 not to be afraid of anything. — (App lause.) their reasonings and arguments were all - s o ," falsehood, they were not sufficient agains t 0.44 (cheers and uproar)—and unless RomaniSni,ries„ in its political aspect—considered in the el,Tr ot ber ° o canon law—unless it be dealt with as sli_ ret .4 . ) spiracies were dealt with, no temporal V d ail $ the world could stand. (App! sL a n , 0 1 0,s Now, what was to be done ? He ask'," r e Englishmen, with such a demonstrction e , re by a spiritual authority on the crown of theirtilde-. he asked them when a foreign spiritual sw or9 Of* , ed the Crown, and also t he l aw s , lie asked i l i fror , 0 7; Englishmen, with such a demonstration `.1,5¢0,,1 would they be content to leave matters at 1 0 e 10 0 1 74 - (Cries of " No, no," and uproar.) Would the);_ c o - or, merely to stand on the ground they had reccntwo..,oo; —on that narrow neck of land which for 1:_ . " d 0,71 they had occupied, between Roman aggressiet2 s h e e r r ve o ( w i n t h p a r t i i t m h i e p toleration in this land— (applause and cries el, o .ber. encouragement of Romanism up to the eoln e ' ror dirl oi , could scarcely be expected not to ask more , 5 , 7 11 1 nt; e i ter to 5 le ß s isho W p l o i a f t clergy, the other day, expressed the hope ln a bat o° l 4 session of Parliament there would be a dequat e __aie; s l travagant penalties imposed on any such a ttc ( r ii hs t He says at present it is illegal, but he h op e d 100 e session of Parliament there would be adequate.es w ere travagant penalties. Now, adequate Peol l u ld Or o they wanted. (Applause.) But what if it o to be discovered that, in order to make then, es te r , they must be what some Englishmen vvould tbill"co„ov.; gent. ( Interruption.) Then came t leg oe h sl at ore; they to be content with laws or penas t estt s o , 3/wioaunledhetshieeyr:lLLat tbet; adequate, in order to avo id penalties that we, e el ) pant; or were they to incur the appearance tel deg ot A t . gance in order to attain to that which s hould h e in a a dL4s If it should turn out true that, in order ta a tta w hog h i e Penalties, they must re-enact excluding la ws ' ) A C !' was it ? (Cries of " Their own!" and uPr a w ar i lo did it hi did the fault lie ? (Applause.) With tb, °se self-defence, or with those who rendereu, I . i r n e ,e, s'"" T - 0 4 unnatural aggression ? (Great a plause.) • 9 of N:to they propose to do ? ( Great coPntusion, er ie v , an d . : 04 out the Pope !" "Three cheers for the P°P e A ; ther ° ' 8 10 Popery !") He had two questions more to a t : - lo tion then that portion of it was done. Then eg "n q gd °o ' 701 had to ask them, as subjects of that united and Sri e bl this—Will you give up Ireland ? (Cheering,', 1 00' r "No, no !" and groans.) She was their ° ; J i d gres t i, affection, by confidence. (Cries of "No !" 0 19°5-1 1 roar.) They had made her what she was"; !No, ' w i r e and would they now desert her ? (Cries 0 1 . rs age' ite a If Ireland had been left to herself l fifty Y e- ° ' j to ; , duo he ft , stead of consolidating the union, the woos ,boh existing had been snapt asunder ; he believe a ,, e it that time, the Protestants of Ireland, by s nd t o re gence, their industry, their activity and learn' ° ;;eld superior powers, both of body and mind, 001: el ei at this instant an ascendancy in Ireland. (Al e re'l t 44 lowed by uproar.) British influence bad hit' 0 6 1 1 et' British influence had overlaid their pnw ersL o beli 0 4 and elevated against them their Roman Cal;decilp and series. (Cheering.) British b a " ha d influence d 0 their bishops ; British influence had fro'l e quese e ditii starved their Scriptural schools; British in'i t hsn' ° b encouraged popery in Ireland—and still , ° ° r - (is tre thg l all this, there were more defections from w e „ios 6 Rome in Ireland at that moment—more coct ' v ia' in any country in Europe. (Great uproar.) ner oos a ttf them, would they as honest men, and ss e e ", v o "beit lishmen—would they be content to rid their ° lea ve t j e t of the assault fro m R ome , an d wo uld ll'eY,,biag „, tls p) poor sister, whom th e y p ro f esse d to love , ;r" ,, an d that grasp ? (Applause, and cries of " No f this Then let all the measures t a k en i n the face 0 leis rer movement —let all their measures incl ude s hop le t (Great applause, and uproar.) H e had 0 0 qt e e d °P ars; would they be content—( cr i es o f "No l a nd ~ g ° ,lo' drink")—to leave this matter i n the hand s °' The ment ? (Cries of " No, no !" and uproar.),to far,: e ",q her Majesty's Government had spoken, an ° , had gone they thanked him for what he he ° 5- ) PC th e But observe how far lie had gone. (Hear , lle ttr. th3t 10 ,41 said, "on this subject then, I will only s t° „ o . 'ioec h e •c'e, present state of the law shall be carefully e s b rele r e J• the . ',le • , propriety of adopting any proceedings ( nisi .ftli to the recent assumptions of power deliberatelY c o o l ot He did not pledge himself to take pr oceoling n s iv 5 145 ,1e1'' laws should be found to be adequate. 11 ' %ill bba3l the propriety of ad o pti ng an y proce edings eli herately considered. (H ear .) L or d John 11° 0 5 / 5 0, 0 00 noble opportunity—(l aug ht er , and uproa r)- ; - tia" P !elfA t off—(cries or order)—th e co il o f ultra an hi ol "tber liberalism (disapprobation);— and showiis '2 4 feels Protestant determined to maintain what ibis' na died for. (Great appl ause .) L e t him d ° , eat i° ri may make his gove r n men t a blessing to Ell' fi ts ° ti to the world ; l e t hi m d o thi s , an d the rrotesrmebeit empire had no disposition to disturb him' g ard' r ,' There was no political movement in this, re ' th e ': own policy at home, and even those aniongstotectj°olo had opposed him in the great question of P r ) raj fo r free trade, would not disturb him. (APP 13 , 115 ,, e ; l Vc e o cl; could answer for many of them ; they ha d ,'"from f it such a change as might follow his retuova',94,„ (Hear, hear.) They had no fancy for a Gof`iato(C°;i) Tractarians in high places. (Cheers.) Lora ac itl to o. re was a clever man, and if he had only sag n 'ettl fusion, and a cry, " H e h a s Church por o a —to see the present mo vemen t o f the nation, oven'ottr, in advance of it, he might con s o lidate his ! I I bes e , s oei bless his country, ho nour hi s sover eign. °l n t 011 ¢ 14° J world through the means of E ng l an d. (Oreille t i e s Pit Thers was a cause for this mo vem ent; fecer the Papacy had been itching for years ttr old England. (Great applause and gek l ,, s c rbe e , ti t was very desirable, but it was somewha t u -n asp plause)—the risk had been run, and the refo; made. • (interruption). Now, would f i ri ,:ce ti le ; „ P sti (v , (cries of " No")—would they submit to . I , — pecle 6 ,te'l'a gative of their sovereign in civa ,- r a 0' any respect o r Pbe Ohs or spiritual abridged by a forel n rin t (cries of " No," and uproar)—or g must th e h r o ° 6 t,,lb to feel that what he had got was too hot tO (1) 5 7001 must either let go his hold or lose his fing er i tb" applaute, and uproar). Therewas emu` •or (l IA t o went amongst every branch of the e °— ty• t f amongst every class of Christians in the coon,hoio in hear). There was cause why dissenters shostioed. movement. They had enjoyed what they t he ° l ibe i4 valued liberty, civil and religious liberty', t. A their own worship. (Hear, hear, and c h e er:L l in ii d i e ' r 0 they valued—all that enlightened the hu t % t fos, t that opened the mind of man to the works a rl 10" r letn If his God. Then (continued the rev. g ent ). heed of the mercies" of Rome. (Hear, he ar oul a to A tO wanted a proof of how dominant Roman isr ;siol i tlr their worship, look to the history of their on n' bi ll South Seas. (Hear). Trace those exe ellen' ut t 0 the London Missionary Socie ty °° in • frel se . m iss' • Observe the success that attended their al v 0 ol d island ; how people came under their spiritu,cri from any temporal jurisdiction—for ther s ob orlbti.r church, not a conspiracy. (Hear, hear). me aOl the Queen was used. ueen Pomare beecBtbe tian. Then observe how the jealously °l fai P ,,;; "- envied that bright spot in the darkness of the es urfrli how . priests were sent out to force therD se ry eign. ado unwilling people, and most unwilling 0 1 .0 1 1 , compelled an entrance into that island,„• I nn eely i tt A il landing. They were desired to leave, “ e „7thor was against her right, her rule, and he r , - . o risoille!i they remained, But they had a s piritua , „,,„ and it would not yield to temporal an ti- 1 07)d y i re o ' hear, hear). They remained. The quee ta advised to maintain her ground, had tile s , g q .oo l moved from the island—(hear) --that i n to f be etj I;!te;,j• et kri was possible, for they got themselves en' cours e, and they would not open the doors. Of w ' e l was necessary to break them open, an d theY vid be 1 , 41 4; 4 ,,e_r on board French ships as politely as men cd°cliee"iBf4; l y y' ar e who did not choose to walk. (Laughter and co t°. deo ep tigh t when complaint was made of this free moven' i ,g! e, jec re 0 testant sovereign in her own dominions . 1 . pr ,ig L . ti l e! io. • measure things by their amount, but by mo ot . ific e and though her dominions were small and rest pt ficant in the great history of the world, a g 0 41 0 0 ,1 k i 4: l '. was involved, which all men should look tr „ sr ies , complaint was made of her treatment of tli _S t e r o 90( . 7 0 '!is tti l'tuei ble France, at the dictation of the Pope , se" Obe ll A, I i n Pas (anu c ow•4l. a t 1 war against that most defenceless woman to se re \:+:1 e bombarded the place as far as was necesso‘oi,b his purpose, and made a lodgment for his . 1 ` trestedhilired, q~theetter of and the Protestant dissenting mission yeas were tr ig Ay 0 , 1 , e,,4; themselves would be treated if the PoPe w i ild o°;tet r ie Nqe,Cot: power. (Loud cheers). To all this he wi„ re ncli ne ti,d in conclusion, the language of an eloquen t ,',,es French man on the subject. There were three co,l_ , ,, he y 0. 1 15 Of them —neutrality, complicity, or hostility. A rt! , litt e t neutrality it was death. If they folded ti lt , Ott l i d o tl p t i t ,le t t plit, ( t ) ' might as well make their wall. -(Laughter.4., It ti t ig. i all, it would be no use to do so, for their "Of) 'a k1 .1) 1,,, Y i 4 1 1 ,1 inherit. (Hear.) Complicity was disgraT c e o , e er;f t joining a conspiracy against the independf u ,. (C°l',e t bi queen and country. There remained hostilMtion, to .1 1 ,4 ,1 4, 41 They must take a high, calm, and stead} P 05.1 tint, 0177 ° did not start up in England as on the conli” it 0 4 ikt4t , at: t eg pulled down the next moment. (Applause.) it e,;;•6, an easy thing to get Englishmen up, nor f° 9 ltost i c le9 kiro t l l 4. l „ put them down when once up. (Applause.' t ioit'o9 calm, cool, calculating, reasonable, persere. t he 0 0 \144:4,11 ~e it th e ta mined, and eternal hostility—hostility again 9" 0 0' P I Da ' of Rome. (The rev. gentleman resumed his J ir o the most overpowering burst of ap lause.) tr e!t e ,,lp ih, Mr. HENRY RIPLEY said he had P been e t 0 "0185 ;qt Ne t Y p et the duty of seconding the resolution, and il e • c h ;qs l )4 44 ,,, t iak that he quite concurred in the sentiments w° l I ApP O),A &;,,ir • expressed, in the eloquent address of the mov , r• ent IV 11,1; - The 'he resolution,end ° c 5 1 0,17 '4' 4 , together with the am A , ,h 4„ had been previously proposed by the Rev. ° " n there e j &t o was then read. The amendment was Put t " the , r 1-I * . t and negatived by even larger thali 0 1,1 ic, l4 t a majority trZt k itt i qi wit one. t he ,het, ‘ ",f, qt,,!e tti ° , l Mr. FRANCIS SHAND said that, iv.' t er be p i t 14 0 i(i Mr. M'Neile thrilling in their ears, and his f' d p 4 6.:1141 eq arguments settled in their hearts, it we ti • 10 .bo° ° 1 him, at that late hour, to take up their tioL s c 'n i et e o p, i t st ot k ( Dr t : consistency of the church of Rome had •oi 0 4 0 ; P ig Th e' i 4ll 11 (1 414 41 this aggression, so it behoved protestant & be t t )•,„ it as emphatically as possible. (cheer.. to ' t o \AN . y e ‘lo, duty was to give a word of encouragoneetio, C. N41,,,t45. kru minister. They admired his indigos, t hef oi es 4 6 I,ViN,tl; waited for his action—(hear, hear)- - in cr w oof t p, 4 4, that be would not stop short of takim, ioto i ro o , ) v e t ttr ,. which were necessary to be taken tel rrt t s cbe e fo rts l s o i l (t4 ri t 4 '„ testant interest and defend the crown. ‘ k ,019 tit cs t 00k k )51, L had generally been his (Mr. Sliand's/gojes i 0 0 4 , 011 O„ t etti i lit N tri stand opposed to the measures of her, „ t k , tern, he rejoiced exceedingly that that u4 't her ba t kt 41 i t le 5 to applaud the noble sentiments of, a - to Pl ° t l Pt t.%ifi' '14 . " 11C " L'1 :4 1 1 4 " 41 a g - th e (Gre, thi s A( unl r ar 4-iivf :nth t itT„ ~ a._ qty u r , o /ea tipta:e!'ll( i fic tp ,i; o ; l vj Or i t tl ieol 4tri7 Y iiini of he Nit 'iltr //lib r e ciria t it tk oin t , I t th, h. eel, t 0t ;: . 11 4 ,, - ) ; nol ; 1 it , . I..'' tr fr o 4 f %e I. Ito „t.