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f 4 , 44 , J isitime ta i L i %. , , t i t ): _ ".,_ . .•" ' • - ' - - 7Clifirit - v. .T13.k . .0770i - i.11:74151ia) - .S.-. - • - • Dot tell what motives were, arid there foie they had better 'say . noiiigit)q h N 1 .l he d lie i i etr wit u s?Wi ' en t 'a j g il reeil to. , , . - - „ Mr•ttititreiliFlV iVY:Pulualrltttsaciii-itaitaa. a , t LI Or OI TON Said ' llio q,eistioui be understood, was that the Fin ance - aa , ' _. ,le , 9ututittee he eoutirmail .. As an amendment t t:: tliatAe Ili'llt9tiatf -,!' that they he coutirnied with the excew• " 1 " f tiliitliill w'it - ich relates to the erection of a , gallery in St.. Mieltaitriduliurcli " And beiore he entered on a tiiat part id the h usinet `lt'e'it , hil: . (l . r;quest th e T own - c l er k t o read. he report ii l it'' Su' i-eonitifitte . e.Olthe Fintiuce CrimMittee, matte itt March, 0118:36A1,,,,tiiiiiihrimOterzg.trt Was ai n a - yeect ti: Thl,'„rolvtg-ci.biii,x .read the Minutes as desired, by which it appeased that the Committee had restricted themselves tolsuch i expend - it-tire as their Were legally hOurid.`to,disburse, by recoil'. -, lambus"; thiit in - future the 'eipendittire -- shOuld, be coutiued to the strictly legal hes char s• ' .. • • . . Mr. Councillor Britaroa.—Now sit'', that resolution having been aPpreved uniniathriala by the council I beg to ask whether the expenditure hitt a gallery.for St. Mich 'ief's church, which , will tie £205, cau be strictlyaenfered into by the council. 1 ask , your opinibh as the town-efetl. ;' ' - • ' ' The Tow N-c a Eli K said in considering that question he should look at it iii two - lwayS. ';`he tirst question would be, was this i expendilve advisabie wall reference to the pecuniary interests i of the - Clf - tileilliT 'the peW rents ariiiog• from-that church ?It ' was Out frialairthta come,to - a conviosinta apiin any question of fact aslo wfielfler g ive : 4'M' this expenditure 'was advisable with referettee - t e - the peewit:try interests of the corporation. If the committee should tia l veicortigt.o . ,thec":onclusion that, with re fetenee to its' ° Ocillitary - ; ,inteliests; treating the ciescrip- lion of ,piratoerty iia . the„liews 'as _they - would treat any other prodttetrve - property ()lathe corporation; that it was advisable that this pecuniary expetise Shotild be 'entered into, be appre hended according tit the deiiiSiou of the qiiest ion lie made, such expenditure, was justifiable, on. the part of the council. It the CrituMiqee had come to an opposite couclusien, then, of coarse; it would be an efependiture mit justifiable. With regard • to the next consideration, bow .far this expenditure, ill the dis cretiOn of thacouneil - uught to he incurred. with reference to the public benefit of the inhabitants,' it was 4 question which must h be deterinineclv the discretionary power of the timacil. lu Otis opinion it would be expenditure for the public benefit of the inhabitants, and timt,Consequently the cutiucil had the power to deterinine that the expense should be incurred or not. Me. Councillor Boa-I.ON said the subject he wished to bring before the corporation. was one of great itnpertance, and before decided noon, it - would he well to weigh the consequences to which the decision of the' 'Town-clerk . might lead. He main tained that nutter the municipal act, under the provisions of w hich they sat there, every individual in the town was put on terms of perfect equality—there was no distinction made iu the lighting of the streets,, and' the watching of their property by the police—and many-, other objects, all of which were of a common nature and without reference to sect or party. 'rite law referred only to the general goorl.,of the borough and its inhabitants, and he asked* 'whether the expenditure now called for was for the general good? He lodized around'tbere and he saw a variety .of ,persons who entertained different beliefsathe mayor, who attended one place of wtirship, Mr.'Shiel a 'Second, Air. - Blackburn a third,: 111 r. Sands a fourth, Mr. Holtnee a fifth—in fact he believed there. were not less than eight deno minations of Christians Composing the council; and he 'asked, could this expenditure he justified for the general good ? No, he said it was for the particular good of - One of these sects. In the outlay in ;chest's or [looses or Warehouses they - always looked far compensation inrentS. But in this iustauce this would not tie the case, They might be Called upon to repair the church, but this was not a repair, but the adding of a new gallery, an enlargement; and if ,they could add a gallery', he did not see why 'they'should not add - a a iug too; and:other sects, scab equal justice, might Cinne and ask for;accoininodation for tilt chil dren. Had, the differeut denominations of Christians from chapels "come to that corparitliOn- r" assistance? .Why shituld the chitich'he 't he only per :sons conning with the beggingbox ? The established church. had cnst that borough not ',less than £15,000. a Year, : surely that wi,t, liutkty.enttugh for a particular sect in religittra? With regard to the church, in question, he belieVed on an average. its outlay for the last seven years was £289; and, its income only_ L'slo. the last account its income was only £305. froin pew rents, anil . V.O. for sale ofgraves, and he Maintained that this further expenliture asked was Most un justifiable as an investment which ' could riot be,maintained on any principle whatever ; for,. in addition to the disbursement, there would be Iran - corporate pews destroyed, which now . brotight in an annual rental.' If it were acceded to, be believed there was to be an - application fro:n St. Thombs's Church for lining the Pek'Whieh was another StrOke'o'n the wedge, and he thought it his duty, as far, as, pwsible, to prevent tbeexteusiou of these pecufiat priYWhoett. - He uoderstriod there were about 300 children, and acaprnmedation was.vsariteii for eitk) or 800. Mr. Pr, A'eT • said i ttierSply - wanted ace , eniatalatien for 300. . 111 r. lloasaltivi. Ts ifan' adilitional; - 300?.. • • . Mr. PLATT.--'l l / 4 :19.,;;INO:Vnly• _ . • Mr. BO 1.-rots oligerse :iticre, was acciiinnadation for 300 now. He had read thici t eitiolillint he extracted from it. hat there Was now s iblitiaria;d4.ol" i'sVV),.tted the fair inference was that: aceoktaidAWC - Xstlarlatiry, 300 inure. 'lf that were so, it was niore'iliti l ii ° the i t 'all . i'4ge ifunibt-ir, for titers was accom modatieo 'fettle illtigh ot • ycid, in §.c. Thoolas's Church ; but r t if area; li4iille'fl,l2l(ll l 4 -fl ,Oi l alil;aCCO - intisoil ate at at. Michael's, he 1041Xci itcha . a tile . big tlyaVe sulfiCreut 'at St. .Thomas's ou easy tgfltrs: ' Nne f,'"drid'initler what `pretext did" they Seek This ilap4vy wheA!,l.Leyiiii,,, , lit tiAv i edlitialeEessary rooloeisewhere ? Iletlititilth'eitliti'dp)6lollre,li 44 attdirional insult to the other se* Vii OW Wvli.'"' '"Oti .143rslitif.t_ - teas :.fi i.s. i laought !iefore i te the'ajand . ittag u rcNi44.7l'l.4 th v kioanee Committee, and in tisaili44 it.',.S444elic:46y,tityrie Cloireli.tispenditure'Cirrn 7 ani&j'e a 642id - t . Oiectir trifift f) e referrkifto that cointrottee 'witlf4qB 40ni. ills re t ison tin, .that .#4".s. that shortly after 1h e iiiiiiii MB wAil i Albs Tp a WaWC,lia la - I‘f, ',read, gig s at yo nsid c r 7 i l) atilata s tlifi e °, 10lieeit fia j aPO varuagte r;ifioit hit lite guidance. or the council ix. ttatu ra a aaareflAtaara for A ti , churches. That re portiliglam,r. p0)11 fits tln": - gd i ole`o`r ale :Church . E xpendit ure Cortliji ;‘ toClAittlkt"katy• OA fh 0 suggest ant of: the Cha rah, 1..1.01-, ty v .. N ip or ni t i o* . 4o o.te(y ~,,,.. him.seu, .at all events .he Waa l iretrit`hrvillAyel it, alto his.objeciWas, t hat that eonaißtiteYi l ariiitt,Chs'! - ,' composed of ctia.relmic.p, and that that re 11*".'sf liiPl'iitgil-Clot should lie their guide. Flp'Snlnnitted tha(jh sr 16%ti';lle part or the cwmpittee to erect tireealiery in ratikit . .:ti 0, - at'Va.aianct with tharreport. The tennis used . 4 1s a . as fir TtiO'§li idliy;:goes ititi in the report 'were obligatory as far hisa*At i faii!* this ..vas not a repairing, it was au e::tett 7 . sion, afit'l - d'llilftkrit it ought to 'Lie' resisted. , lidt.'Councillor Mottactioalas .i ecuatled pie mottou, Mr. Coutieilldr - Pi.Arkdisclainded4lNkether YvkliktlNy. Bolton, Called ".a wedge:" The question resolVed itself into this, should the mean bets of toe council sustain the interests of the corporathi'it in that clititCh ? Xtiont oet.iildren had been, iu the hatiituf going there frindasehoel iii Paht-street. Some n ears ago, touch to their credit . (he Messrs. Yatese.stabiished a school 4. in Staunten-street for 'children' of all denominations. -froth ~ whence scliefars were triton to their respe ctive places of wor 7 shipa' and he asked whether accoinutodatieu should hot hepro vided for theni wittniat incounneding, the congretzati,n,. some of whoth had retrieved to other places 'in consequence . of the 'nuisance created by the children. They merely wished to afford, accOmmodatiOn for the children. without any desire.tointroduce, the '° wedge, " which Was an in teuti o n 't hat he di s claimed. Ile- ; therefere thought:the expenditure for the gallery was quite ne cessaityto sustain the in tere,n. they, had in. that, church. , , • Air. Codaast' felt' great reluctinee in differing; from some Ventlenien oh that subject. fie, however, felt with them that by the municipal law all were . placed - rid the saute footing, and if any attempt were . made to'el,evat o one party at the expense of another,' he would as 'certiially oppose it as did the 'gentlemen to whom he alluded. But that vv.as not a question of the elevation of one class or Christians above a'siOther, it wai.a question to be considered as affecting property belonging to the corporation. It was a corporatlivii church which had been erected before the municipal law, with its "admirable Provisions," became the law of the laud. • It 'had exclusive privileges, and they had not the Power to alter them. 'The situate question in his view was, whether, as a corporation edifice, wanting accommodation fur a groat mass of the public, they were justified in going to that expense. If it were a Catholic place of worship, or even an Unitarian one, or a place .of worship fer that " much repudiated class called Quakers" from whom one gentleman (looking at the Mayor) might thick himself happily released—if it were from any one of these denominatiens of Christians, he should sincerely support, such a proposition, if. the children could be thereby better educated and made better members of society. It - appeared, that in the church there was not accommodatioa flu the childreu, and they annoyed the congregation connected with it. If the opinion• of the Town-clerk were as he thought it was, a fair view of it, they were not restricted 'rotti expendi ture for such an'object. if it were for the pecuniary advantage of the corporation, which lie thought' it was—and if it were for fi., the advantage of the public, which he contended it would be. su that he could see uo impropriety in it, or any :exaltation of 'me " sect" at the expense of another. But he hoperla higher motive than pounds, shillings, and pence, would influMice thenu lie certainly thought, as members of the council,. they were hound to keep. the chinch in, good repair, they could not close the doors; and so long as the doors were open, they were bohnd to furnish that accommodatiiin which the public required. Mr. Councillor Hoi,'r imagined they were not at liberty tit indulge in motions agaiust the municipal act. He .Couteuded, that the expenditure was not within the meaning of the nauni kjpal act, unless it could be shown to be advantageous to the . korporation estate, which he did .not'thiuk it would be, and ttherefore he should vote with Mr. Bolton. Mr. Cuaiws considered the - chtirch as the property .of the ' e l.Phratiou, : and they had heard from Mr. Bolton that its in .kurne was not equal to its expenditure. feigned i ticonvenience which the_ congregation experienced from the Illattering about of children was so great that that small iticuine 'llight be still further redtieed; and it, was ilso - ught that the erection of a gallery fur the Children would prevent that de crease, and probably increase the . ineuir.e: It was on that ground alone that the expenditure hail been fecommeteled 'Let the higher grotiuds spoken of : by Alr..Coglanlie kept to them-, •aslves: they all felt timid alid hail.themi.:AD the long speeches they had had the pleasure of , hearin frdm Mr: Baltuu Were.oti , ..'neral - principlee; abotit - wi - sicli ',here , vas no dinibt a . ,Nalitady hail' an y doubt ;nut the municip.il act dill nog allow, any dis tinttion of sect. It was on alas ground of its beicg likely to be tiefitthe' corporate,esta: e • alone that the grant had beeu i cecina laiended by the Church ExpenditareCeunnittee. , Mr. Councillor HoittillY had never looked at the qUestion 'ether than one of a 'pecuniary nature affecting the col poste estate,'and not, as Mr. Bolton insisted, the giants: a iatimiue ad vl•Mtage to one 'sect over another, - Ile was satisfied that the receipts from . the church would diminish if the atinoyauce of the children wilt not reinoved. ' He thought they were soaking a reighty matter of a paltry affair; the interest Of the sum re quired would ainotint to •£5 ss. per annum;. if by the erect ion of t he gallery they could 'only let 4 or 5 additional peas - , that would increase their - receipts by £2-i or £25 per annum. Since the council had last tact he' had been told by the clers , vman e t hat' agentletnan had given - up' his pew in' consequenite of the nuisance of the child, en being' scattered about the chereli as at Present - The erection of a gallery was a matter tic' Deco 14iary'interest; and on that ground only he recommended and ailtiald support it. Mr.' Councillor Henry LAWRENCK would not add anything 1° what had been- last stated, or 'to the Arquence of Mn.. Co,z han•';'-As to' the "wedge" mentioned by Mr. Bohm), he only elZge'd to tirisure ' him that the application for lining the Pews of St. Thomas's church had been at once refused - as a ;natter with which they hart nothing to do . . Mr. Ald erman EVANS th en said, that on a late occasion he had voted against such a tnction as that, but he should vote in c roll! , of the present ennti;m, and his reasons were thosCurged Mr. Currie and others who had taken the same views. If they in„,le the church hold a greater number' than at present, they headed more likely to get a greater value out of it, and he awe- . e ilded that that would be the case. He wished to know ir the' Pew rents-had ever been more than they were now? Mr. Couucillor Pa agar. believed the.pew rents had Leen rather mote 1 . -r. C o un c ill or MELdo it wished to say one word on the ques t;'llo It appeared to him, and always hail done whenever this t i nirch •expenditure question wasws brought forward, that Mr. j""' lahoured . under one, grand error, of not dislinguishing• fl i '': ) ween th os e c h urc h es w hi c h b e l onge d to corporation, and ro 6 e which did not. It' any application were made to them church in.which they bad no interest, he should resist grantin . g. of money as much as Mr. Bvit4,n. But he con- Vered this as merely a question, between landlord end tenant. ; were the propuittor of the church, and . they were - justified (u .srien ,, _ . , ‘,, 'ong on it the sum. of money that was demanded. ik 13()1.49N briefly replied. Be (opposed the resolution of ` u e finance ConaMittee, I.ecause . amougst other reasons,. when the elto reh was concerned there gray a great desiri• altvly; o-on . feted oo the part or ehOrrtuneti to pot thitirhitol4 into th,poot loot of the 41 , 41:goner, whO apottiClea f(,r ds;ostatiee to .11.,reutt,, wittutut ;pplytlig. his mitt shoulder. to. fire wheel. The M A yin: then put the que . stieu,,whee ea a clivi=i it there api.eared— For Mr. Bolton's ametultnimt Agatut a.......,............. 32 Majority, • • The following was the division : • Fur • Mr. Boiton's amendment, Messrs'. Thornhill, Harvey, Frankland, Bolton, Priestley, Lassen, Morecroft, G. Holt, T. Holt, Ft erne and Robinson.' Against the amendment—Messrs. J. Holmes, Houghton, Pieston, Rawdon, El. Holmes; J. Mel lor, Birch, Woufright, H. HOrnby, J, Lawrence, Cooper, H. Lawrence; Wood,, Earle, Cog ati; Mason; Segar, - Leigh, J; Smith, G. H. Lawrence, Jordan, Platt, Currie, Ranisden,' Duncan, Leattmin, Junes, Bean, Evans, Muon, Barclay, and the Mayor.—Abseut, Messrs. J. Heyworth, U. .flocigsori, Logan, s:Shand,• Batton, Sands, Walmsley, Bright, Bibby, C. Lawrence, Brocklebank, Carson, Higgins, Blackburn, J. .Cropper, Shiel, Booth, Horubi, Brown, Buley, and C—Hey worth. IMPROVEMENT OF TEMPLE-COURT. Mr. W. EattLE,jun. then rose to .move a third amendment on the proceedings "of the finance committee; but before he did so, he expressed a hope that the gallery, which was the subject of the last division, would be considered es intended for the ac conunodation of the children belonging to the church only, and that others would not be allowed to come and annoy the cuagre gation. (Heat, hear.) He wished to make some observations with respect to a great improvement which was suggested, and which the finance committee,' following the same parsimonious policy which marked their predecessors, and which" he had hoped was at an end, had determined not to make. He spoke with respect- to an. improvement in Temple-court. The advantage this town possessed over others, was in its having a large purse to enable them to make improvements, without calling upon individuals who, would not do it. He had observed fifteen carts loading and unloading at Temple court that inoruiug—a retail wholesale trade, if be might so speak, was there carried on in sugar, coffee, and other articles, and the place was ill-adapted fur the extent of business done, and he belietied, in consequence, several accidents had happened there. (Mr. Platt.—Two• within six annuls.) Then there must have been more, for a knew one man had been killed. The sum of £2,000 or £ was a paltry consideration for a corporation like that; cll nok at the great improvements that had been neglected for £2,060 or £3,000; the building in which they were then sitting had been allowed to stand lobsided, when £2,000 or £3,000 pounds would have set it right. (Mr. H. Holmes.— £3OO, sir.) The improvement of neighbourhood to .which he alluded would give a good strut from Temple-street to Dale street, and to Dale-street-it would be a great improvement, be cause, at present, its buildings were not in a line. He knew not, nor cared not, whether his motion was seconded, but he would wove that "t',.! improvenient in Temple-court be trot abandoned, but referred for fauna' consideration." Councillor PLATT seeoudetiwthe motion. Mr. Alderman ROBINSON supported the motion. He did not think there was an improvement more wanted in the town. Mr. Councillor CURRiE then said he was sorry to - oppose what ring,ht be considered a publiC improvement, but they must look to where the money was to come from. His friend, the member for Abercromhy Ward, had said this would improve Dale-street, he did nut think •they could improve it, (oh!) for" whatever aunt they might expend they would never make Dale-street look handsome. With respect to Temple-street, it was no great thorotiohfare; (oh ! ) to prevent that, North John street had been widened. lie.; was of opinion ;too that there Were many objects of g reater importance whi c h d eman d e d their attention, and he hoped the council would not be led away into what he could not but cons Itts an unjustifiable expenditure. Mr. councillor klAut.u, ' ry to hear that from his friend. Currie, who had always *porter of liberal views. Mr. Councillor CURRIE B, tie had always opposed that mo tion, which had been so often brought forward by Mr. Earle. Mr.,Couneillor EauLE said that there was a vast number of warehouses iu Temple-street, coffee-roasting and tobacco houses—it was,a great place of business, and, as some altera tions were now being made, the opportunity would be lost if the improvements were not now effected. But it was perfectly con temptible, for the sake of £2ooonr £3OOO, nut to do away with a great nuisance. Mr. Councillor C1711111E.-Apply it to the body in general; not to the individual.. . Mr. Councillor . EAßLE.l am speaking of the body. The MAYOR then put the amendment, when the numbers were— For Mr. Earle's amendment.... Against it • ... ..... 22 Majority The following was the division:— . For the Amendment.—Messts. R. Houghton, E. Harvey, W. Preston, C. liavvdon, B. Frankland, 11. Holmes, J. Mellor, J. Priestley, J. Cooper, J. N.. Wood.; W. Earle, jun., I'. Cov,lau, J. Mason, j. S. Leigh, J. Smith, G.• H. Lawrence, F. Jordan, J. Platt, G. Ramsdell. Aldermen T. Leathow, G. Robinson, and the Mayor. • . , . . Against the Amendment,—Messrs. J. Hohnes, W. Thornhill, T. Bolton, C. Birch, J. Wool'right, H. Liornhy, J. Lawrence, 11. Lawrence, W. LasselL T. Murecroft, E. Segar, W. W. Currie, W. M. Duncan. Aldermen a Holt, C. H. Jones, H. Benu, Evans, T. Holt, J. Moon, W. P. 1 - 4'reme, and T. B. Barclay. The proceedings of the Finance Committee were then con firmed. LEASES COM NI ITTEE, AND IMPROVEMENT ,COMMITTEE. The pruceediugs of these committees were confirmed. VC AIC tl COMMITTEE. The committee did tint recommend that a f resh van should be obtained tor - conveying separately the male and female prisoners from the- different Brideuell , s, as.-it would cost about £2OO. They strongly reckon - leaded the division, and as an experiment recummendeitthat a partition be made in the present van, which would cost about I.:S. . , . The, following letter was read, from the Town-clerk to Messrs. Lowndes nd.ltobinson s -- tlie Vestry clerks ; on the subject of the rating of the corporation estate to the poor. . ... . - THE TOWN-CL4IiIS . LEWER:.I'9. ME§Ses. LOWNDES AND . . ' . • • : 'ROBINSON. , . . . ... .. `.(i s own-hilll , . sth April, IS3B. DiAtit•SIDS,---I begh . g . a.in 2 fo-call your attention, on behalf of the past acrd presentoyerseeysOt the parish of Liverpool, to the account which 1 t?echise ~,: . k .. . ' . '"I3Y this accouovit willoberleen thatif theimportant public question as to the paroc4itirraie4risinwupon the municipal acts he decided against the pariah,: there will be.£12,760 2s. 4d. due lipon the- watch rates from.' the parish to , the corporation, the whole of :which sum nu ight.:be now legally entOrced against the Oeneel's without .waiting. for: the -result.of the-question on the parochial. rate ;Ald that if :that question,.should .be decided iu • faitiml of the parish, there will still be £5803195. due upon the . watch. rates_ from the parish to the coiporation, as an admitted 'debt, to which there is not aud..cannot be any possible answer :On the part of the -parish. . .. Under these circumstances,.l must require immediate pay ment of the sum of £5803 19's. With respeCt'to the balance of the £12,78025.4d. after this payment, or. 126976 3S: 4dOliere isno objection to its continuing to stand over until the question as to the parochial rate is deter mined; but; then, there ought to be some proper arrangement on this subject. At present, the past overseers hir part, and the present overseers loethe rest,, of this balance, are personally liable, without, as 1 understand, any express reserve being wade .for payment. How far this ought to be, I submit, is more for your consideration than mine.; but on my part, it would be much more 'desirable that sonic proper reserve should be made, than the corporatioushould have to call upon official gentlemen, and that the indemnity of those gentlemen should cause au extra rate upon the ratepayers of a new year. " Requesting the favour of your early attention 'to this sub ject, " I remain, yours truly. " kW. RADGLIFFE. " Messrs. Lowndes and Robinson." - -- " P. 6.-1 write to-night to our agents, urging a speCial ap pointment of the case." THE ACCOUNT REFERRED TO. " Watch Rate undisputed. "1836-7 , £8515 14 0 . " 1837-8 • 8515 14 0 " Parish and church rates appealed from to the extent of £349'2 Is. Bd. " Of each parish rate " 1836-7 £4113 14 6 " 1837-8 4113 14 6 " Note. --The amounts rendered were £4128 125., but the parish have agreed to withdraw the parish rates on the Judges' Lodgings. the appeal t o en d i n favour of " State if account supposing the parish. " Parish in account with the Corporation. Dr. Cr. " 1836-7 to watch-rate £8515 14 1836-7 by parish and ." 1837-8 to ditto 8515 14 church-rates ....E4113 14 6 • . By cash • . 1837-8 by parish and church-rates By balance 5803 19 £17,031_ 'Bl "'l'u halaure " Stale of account suppOs''iny " Parish in account Dr. £17,031 8 0 I9s. "he parish not to be successful. vith the Corporation. • • Cr. 1836) £ . s. 1. to C.- To rate for 18:_,8S two years 17,031 :, ' 8 0 s. d. 11836•7. By parish rate on part of the property as to which the4e is no appeal, and the church-rate on the whole 621 12 10 !By cash • .3000 0 0 ay . parish anti rates (as above) 621 12 JO By balance 12,780 2 4 £17,031 S U "To balarice —12,78 0 . 2' 4 pro b a bl y i st ,..,,,j . r jut, no t perhaps with the att ent i on i . .Mr. (limn is.-sairi, he was sorry to rise so often, but they had t•deseryed,• to the proceedings of the Watch Comm T Committee, sent by the own-• clerk to Messrs..Lowndes and Robinson, the pa r i s h c l er k s, re specting the amount doe from the parish t o the corP orat i on o f 1;5803 195., supposing the appeal to end in favour of the parish. But, supposing the appeal to oo in favour o f the corporation, the sum due w o uld he 1:12,7g o:2s. 4d, without. •the shadow of objection against any of the amounts. The Town -clerk had called the a t tt en ti on o f the parish clerks to the amount due, and had offered a very fair condition , namely;that •th e h a l t:nee-in tionlu.should reinain as it was till this question was t r i e d ; but, , at the same time, from a.sense.of - the public duty i mposed upon him, he had• urged the paymeltl. of the .balance. which was up amount perfectly undi:zouted.; and he had no doubt, the claret, wardens and others, who had taken the liabilities ma th e r ne i ves worild feel tips strength of theclaim, and Would act a ccor di ngly. The reason he had called the atten tion of the c o uncil to that subject was,. because he had seen in the tenons of the late parish-meeting ustatement,.that the chrporatiou waS in d e t t ed to the parish in the sumof .£7OOO Al eEl3t)(l9;. such a stat ement had been Made 'there an d turough the press ,was sent to the public,; he. therefore ;roped, that the reporters how present. —to whom they were so Much :.indebted for the faithful record of what passed passed in that toonr‘-tyli td s tate to the public,'hi s con tradiction m of the stateeti at ;he parish meeti ng to which he' had alluded; -.4i ...kik, 11 111 flor that it might he mor e effectually .lone he would,: l p:that• the two documents which he held. in his hand— . own-clerk's hitter to Messrs.' - J,owndes and Robinson, and the account which accompanied it—be handed to the repot ters, that the real state if the account might be given to the eublic. l'he town-clerk had called upon them to pay in,:m e rli a t e l v , an d he hoped they they should take strenuous nia:asures to enable the paymert to be obtajned im mediately, as 1:3000 had been voted away that morntng. ._ . • - - The TowN-CLEnK said he was on Tuesday. called upon by Mr. ou behalf. °Pile parish; and he was glad that ht, 7as enabled to state, that the payment of the SUM of :SSOO•waS in the coufse of being ina(!e. f Ilear.) • • Mr. Councillor BOLTON. said .a statement..bad bren made about the vota of ,t 3500, 11 . e E nnested that they Ohe Finesse s committee) did not : authorise that paY"ant. Mr. Alderman EVANS ~ .aiderstood they bad to consider it. Cool , ,it observoii 40 liiit Ved,Vit. fair olw_to:ii i rue ---y t .it Ott' hitt-, it. tea- iuiport int th,it stiout;l tame 'et ., :,,,tzve means to tiling to. sit .issue 'he ‘tk por-Ecil es, jr;. ye.irs' rates illno , int. fit .1.::k6000, and it !tie pan , i .should cc:3! y 141111 Otl4llt, to have Co tile COLibequqiit. Iticrea,, , l rate, might be leaving, Too WN-Cl,Eitit skinf, on his part there should he no delay, 'Ptie M asOli put the question., and it was agreed to hand the documents mentioned by Mr. Currie to the reporters; and th e pro c eedings of.the comnintee were then confirmed. proceetitilgs of the IMarket Committee, Town Hall Com mittee, Ekineution Committee, Garden Committee, and Church Expeoditiit : eCominittee, none of which were of public interest, were; then severaliv read and confirmed. COURT 01 , REQUEST'S COMMITTRE. V.lalie TOWN-CLERK read the following report:— ; • . REPORT. " That the committee have considered the petition relating to the Court of . Requests, with the letters accompany►ng the same referred to them. " That upon the 'subject of the petition they have been at tended by John Quayle, Esq., doctor of medicine, and surgeon, who sought an interview with them, as evidence on the allege : iu the petition, of the necessity of change in the constio tution of that court, was allowed to state his complaints against the decisions of that court, in cases of his own, a hicb, on his former application, by way of appeal from the commissioner, the committee could not by law entertain. "'That the complaints of this petitioner, upon his own show appeared' to the committee to be without any foundation. whatever. (Hear.) - " That whether the constitution of the Court of ReqUest could be improved, and the legal continissioner -with advantage re lieved, by the addition of a limited ntimber of burgessess to be summoned to sit with him as commissioners, or, under Ins asses sorship, to act as a jury, is a question which has had the anxious consideration of the committee, and will continue to have their best attention; desirable as it is, not only that justice should be done, but that it should be administered as far as practicable to the perfect satisfaction of the public. "'That the committee, have, however, without coming to any. opinion at present upon this important question, deemed it very uuadvisable to submit any bill to Parliament on the subject until greater experience of the working of the constitution un der the act of 183 G shall be obtained; and snore especially, as it is probable that if the bill for. the abolition of improvement for debt should pass into a law it will become necessary in the next session to go to Parliament to extend the powers of the Court of Requests to process of execution beyond the mere goods of a defendant, so as to reach debts and other effects comprising, under reasonable limitations, the future property of the debtor. " That it may .be proper to state inthe present report that the inquiries of the committee have produced the following infor mation. By the official return prior to the application in 1836, for the present Court of Requests act, it appeared that the average number of causes amounting to 40s. and not exceeding auntially'disposecl of in the superior court of the borough at various stages at, considerable expense, compared with the •amounts sought'for, was less than £5OO. By the official return it • appears that, the jurisdiction of 40s. and.under £5 being opened, to the Court of Requests by the act of 1836, the superior court of the borough and oth e r c o u r t s s till b e i ng open to suitors in 1:3 months prior to the Ist of December_ last causes of 40s. and under £5 to the number of 2528 we; e disposed of by the Court of Requests." That report also received the confirmation of the council. Tea R01101)011 COURT. • The Towis:-cf.tuK next read his report respecting - this court,_ as follows: " The town-clerk reports that the period is now arrived for giving notice of the second reading of the bill on the subject of the Borough Court, lighting clauses, Observatory, aud Kirkdale and Everton boundaries. • "The progress of "the bill for the abolition of imprisonment for debt does not. enable the town clerk to make any farther re port on that subject in connexion with the Borough Court, by which will be understood not the Court of Requests, but the supe rior court of the borough.) But whatever course the bill on the subject of imprisonment for debt may take, the principal ob jects in the Borough Court must remain, viz., of obtai lug Irons the legislature provisions for preventing vexatious removals nom the Borough Court to the superior courts, at periods when the proceedings below have nearly arrived 'at maturity. " At the present time the consideration by the legislature of the general subject of local courts, and the piessure of business at the Liverpool assizes, make it reasonably probable that the advantages desired for the Borough Court may be Obtained, and the measures proposed have the decided support of Mr. Cresswell. " The usefulness of this court to the public, under the direc tion of the assessor, and juries selected from the burgess roll. coupled with the cheapness of the proceedings, entitles the court to every attainable improvement. ." This and.the other subjects of the bill—viz., proposed Ob servatory, and Everton and Kirkdale Ward_ boundaries-would not have.li . een deemed sufficient of theinselves4or a bilk The Observatory clause will require sonic direction from the council atter the dock proceedings are read." The MAYOR inquired if it was the pleasure Of, the - countil to confirm:the reportS • Mr. Alderman FiyimE moved, that they be printed and cir culated: .they were calculated to remove much prejudice Which existed against the Court of Requests, which was seconded by Mr. Councillor Mason. The Me you and‘several other gentlemen suggested, that they should be given to the 'reporters and printed. . Mr. Councillor - lihNity LAWRENCE suggested, that they be offered to the gentlemen of the press fur arose " who..aose to take them. As a matter of courtesy we have,. inserted tlient.l" " The proceediniesAfthe comm.ittee were. then Zontirmed: DOCK (;0111A111."1:EE PROCEEDINGS. A inongst other things the promise of the 13runsiVick commit tee to bear ha-lf the expellse of' the - erection of 'ilia observatory, was !escitled. Mr: Ciiuli rr eiiWr Lasser, said, the courieil had confirmed the order tot its erection, and the dock committee had been request ed to contribute, but whether they did or inn,. the council. was pledged to eieCt Use obSe'rvatory. He trusted the council would not rescind that former resolution, havingvoted away £3OOO tor the mere taking down of the corner of a strket. It had been intended to h ave elected atit o b servator y . on a b ilge scale if the dock committee had stibtieribed; - and'Une worths of Iles town. He had the other day seen a cousin of his, who sect his chrono meter to one'inanufactnrer; who said it ;vas in error tin* min utes and n ne - seconds., and - not her , sai} its-error . was 6'6; min utes and :i5 seconds; an.d the iifferem:o9lween thellima t l i equal to 67 miles of longitude, which was really very iinportanh . Mr. EARLE SAid it was qiiite latneifiable that aigiShient•waS necessary at the present clay to show the neces , ity of a*olisek T i vatory. There were here IWO estatos, the cori,olitte and the dock—the o ne w i t h a r e venue of .E. 200,000 and the other' £lOO,OOO a year, and yet they required strung solicitation. to erect and maintaki an observatory in a, great' town like this. Whiit was money worth except fin what it gave thetn: or was it only to be looked at in their coffers. He could again only use the language which he had before used, that it was really con temptible. (Laught er .) • 'l4e rrowN,eLhaK, Said, .the , difficulty iu which. he stood . was this. At the time when it was supposed the Duck, Committee would contribute, lop had framed a clause in the intended bill; assuming that they ;weld coutributeequal proportions. Was he to strike that clause out, and to act on the assumption, that the council'alone would'provie the neeesSary funds ? Mr. Councillor PLATT said, he had no doubt if the clause re. mained the council would he ielieved or much of the expense . by private subscription, for it would be generally felt to be'of great importance in a maritime place like Liverpotil. Mr, Councillor RO RNBY had waited to hear some member the Dock Committee explain why they had rescinded their re. solution to subscribe, for he thought there could be no expenui [lire of money. so useful to the dock estate and the interests of navigation. He thought it incumbent on some members of the Dock Committee to state the reason why they would not bear some portion of the expense. Whatever benefitted navigation must benefit the dock estate, and therefore it was mote incum bent on then - , to subscribe than on the corporation. It was an institution. which was very much wanted—it appeared if the corporation did not undertake to provide it it would not be ob tained. He, therefore, for one, would vote that the Tow n . clerk be instructed to take measures to enable the,corporation to ; erect it. Mr. Alderman EVANS said if his friend Hornby had attend ed,tothe circumstances be would not have been surprised that none of the Dock Committee had risen, for the gentlemen on the other side had risen so tepidly, like so many flashes of lightning, that no person on his side could interpose. But, with regard to Mr. Earle's observation—to the freedom with which tie was using the word " contemptibfe"— Mr. EA It LE —Measures, not men, sir. (A laugh.) Mr.Councillor EVANS.—Yes, he knew; but measures were so often 'confounded with men, that it might really lead to very unpleasant occurrences. (A laugh.) For instance, if here ,titter they happened to come out of gentlemen who were not quite considered privileged, these things and the example might lead into what they should all wish to avoid. (A laugh.) With regard t o th e l arge i ncomes o f t h e corporat i on an d t h e dock estate, they existed Mail, for they were all appropriated by clinssu might anticipati o n. Th e wea l th of e i ther of t h e corporat i on or t h e , y k liineesueteinonaeidlywthheerree but lie their 'Down-clerk e°a cutlers. and e b Y y tae i ( it ° ‘c% k lat g i il l e chairman o f t h e fi nance committee ; that thee were exceed i ng their inco me and yet they were• told now, that, miserp, they were glo4ting over the shining metal in their coffers. Lie believed that to be far from the case. Whatever might be the irttlue of an observatory —and he did not deny it—he considered the test of ye• that I he ,vies not shown by the conduct of either the mercantile associated bOdies ef the town or the individual :merchants. wiho.e expenso.wes4foite within the range •a •Smalisnbscliption, but, as Bolton.had said, with regard . to 'etruitilinien, they - looked to the public purse, and they (ti-th,( contra) heard nothing new but of the corporation and dock , estctes, a he means of Opplyip.g : ,,all i iii4pl i s,ot, inTroyeayeilts,. It was quite.notoritais. that where t - 14Tdelteneourageineit t a b ixtiV givfn to look to pubii6 resources; ptivae&ceutributiontifOrtir given up. An observatory, was all object .which ought to be titt, Peculiar care of eminent merchants, 'girut shipowners, ail scientific men, hut bad they tnzie..o any attempt towards attain. ing such an object? lie had heard nothing of any ptlOc Jneetings, but all at once there was a direct applicaiion?to the publi c p urse . Now, with regard to - ibedestruction-,nol..was nothing else—of the voluntary, principle, he could give them, art produced by heiding out the least hope Of assistancefront government.or :my constituted body. in D u blin, during.dhe, period of the Dish parlianeut,.there was instance s tal of the 'W as c a lled a House of Industry which hadits origin in the what 'Was prioripio. It was supported'adinitablv with £dB.ooo per. annum ; but, luckily, flier, gut - the . WO; klottin q!'Com- and the subscriptions tell tai ii.4B a year. if they Trent on toogioatingmetters-of t sort; they •might never w but with regarddo the subscription. B , b o und to build observatories anymore than they were to keep a ks hay do with it, lie could not conceive that they were • nantical or marine. college. or supply muitiCal or P 1 it_ri intor-, ! nati o n fir thewhoie world. .Every thing might he n ought to hear clonstructireiv, lint the truth was, they ()right to look to .the docks merely as the addetadu to the river—as pools of water owrely to float the ships and make up . the deficiency of the. Met sey.' They never could have gone to parliament. to obtain these docks, had they at first asked for au observatory or any. (utter matter not 'immediately necessary to nicking the ducks; if they h'ad;unist likely they never would have had the (looks at all. Mr. Councillor Ctic; tr. legretted,very touch that the 1.) , A•k.. Committee shouP have felt called upon to rescind .the fortotF . resolution, NotWithstantliog What' had fallen from his friend , over the way, he thought it very desirable that an , observatory should be established in Liverpool,. and therefore nothillg b,ut the circumstancei that day would l ea d him to oppose the ''t„r"ctious given to dm Tow n.cierk. He thought that the cost 111. an ohseivatorv, if it was to he at all worthy of the town, Yr . ould her:ft-50We Year to keep- it up. • ("N 6, 1 .* E 500.) It would cost £S`,XX) to build it, and if they were-to have first-rate instill mews, with the said! , tie esti-oilomer; it wolid. by degre'es "mount to a very large" sum. , He dot not think-the corpora. ti°n•Was in a sitootiou to spend that - sum. They had enotigh Icl ! .duntil o with th e f un d s t h at wet e entrusted to them at present. rind Ihql,;;i,t - tid 'of the heavy expenditure of t he custorn-houv, .they, had n o thi ng to. spare. There Would be time herc.,ttcr, probably within the next two or three Yeats, witch the so ~.ject :I:llgrht be brou - ght. forwald with mitre fitness aml Ile hoped the-council, fording they - were. 10 ,oppo ted by the docks, would P ostpone . t h e measure; aiid he trusted that. they would not think him, because id proposing this, hostile to the In ea Mr. Cu o naj or LAs,,ci.r. could sop no oLjoetion in voting : for: the no..isure trey tue,ely asked ihe power; not use it till live yehrslience if they thous. ht fit. rill'. Connelllur EA R .t: hoped it would he postponed. l'or the present, .tot then the Duek Committee might alter their ()pin Mr. Councillor J. HoLmEs moved that -for the present the Town-ciei i.ostpOne the clause. Mr. Couucillor be very happy to second it; but that if be po,;tpon,d l r the present in the hone that if the present Dock-Committee would not vote it, some others would be appointed that- would. Mr. Alderman LEATHOM —MI be turned out? Mr. Councillor HAiii.E.—With all my heart. (A laugh.) The AlAyult then put the question, when there appeared for Withdrawing the' clause, '2,5; against the claut-e being with drawn, 11. POST° FF ICE REFOR M. The report of. the - postoffice committee, which had been printed and circulated, was adopted, and'referred back to the committee Mr. RA msDEN said that report merely affected the local post (dike of Liverpool, and not the general question of postollice reform. The M A YOR said, of course if the committee had any thing further to suggest it would he referred to the council. WATER TROUGHS FUR CATTLE. Mr. Councillor Pt. ATI' rose and said, the rneasute for water troughs for cattle had undergone much consideration from him, and, he it it 8 convinced it would he a measure of great utility to that useful class of people; he alluded to horses and cattle. (Laughter.) He thought the expense of their erection would be but trilling. Mr. Platt proceeded to advocate the erection of these troughs at the south end of the town, and proposed that a small toll should be levied on those who used them, which he said would more than defray their cost. He then proceeded to "plead" as he said " for those animals (horses and cattle) be cause they could not plead for themselves. (Laughter.) They 0w e I ready to like a piece of beef—(" horse beet" and loud 1 )—and all ready to avail themselves of their services ... iiserved their interest. Any person going to the back -o swick St., would see there what rows of animals there wet. ';I--fiue horses in carts, and donkeys—(loud laughter)—and drivers. (Continued laughter.) They might laugh, but a drink of water would be.very acceptible atoning them —(" don. keys and all," "be-ho," and loud laughter.) The expense of each trough would not exceed £65, and they might he kept up afterwards for . 1:15 per annum each. He hoped therefore that they would be granted. _ _ Mr. COLIRCiII;r COOPER had great pleasure in seconding the motion. It would be a great comfort to those animals if it was adopted. • Mr. Counbillor JORDAN advocated the measure. He spoke of the length of time the horses were obliged sometimes to work without water, and hoped the measure would be granted. Mr Councillor DUNCAN opposed the motion on principle. The owners of the horses were well able to provide them drink 4 0 1 and food the nselves without applying. to them for it. Mr. Co --; JORDAN begged to ask it the north end of the town w . 'a - applied with tanks ? (Mr. Coglau—Yes.) Then wit e south. Mr. Coun • lor COGLAN with many flowers of rhetoric, sup ported the motion which Mr. Platt had so argumentively put to the council, and concluded with " hoping and trusting," that the interests of humanity would induce them to subscribe to the measure. Mr. DUNCAN'S amendment was not seconded, and Mr. Plates motion was consequently carried, that the water troughs be adopted. HEMOV AL'-OF THE STAMP-OFFICE. The.Msvoa stated that he bud received a letter oo this sub ject from Mr. Spearman ' Which he read as follows : " Treasury Chambers, 30th April, 1838. Sta,—Havirw laid before the lords commissioners of her Majesty's Treasury a resolution adopted by the council of the borough of Liverpool, respecting the proposed removal of the Stamp-office to the Custom-house, which was transmitted in yoUr letter of the 7th of February, 1 have it in command from their lordships- to inform you, tbat upon a full consideration of the subject, and a communication with the commissioners of stamps and taxes, my lords do not consider it advisable to give directions for the removal of the S:amp-office at Liverpool from its present situation.-1 am, Sir, your obedient servant, . „ . ” A. G. SPEARAIAN. " TO the Mayor of Liverpool." 'rhe MAYOR then said, perhaps they would like it to be re ferred back , to the committee, for it was distinctly in opposition to the understood agreement on whiCh the corporation had ex pended so large a sum of money. The subject was referred back to the Custom-house committee accordingly. KING'S COLLAGE. The MAYOR nexfinformed the council that Mr. Benson had applied for a nomination to King's College, and he found on enquiry they had ten nominations—five to the upper and five to - the lower departments. The corporation having voted £5OO seine years ago, they became entitled to the nominations; and he*'ould be g l a d to know how they would have them appropri ated. (Load cries of "By the council.") The Mayor said he thought , thOy would fi n d some i nconven i en c e attending that course. His worship afterwards added that the application for a nomination. fittni Mr. • Benson had led to inquiries un the subject, and the'following was the reply:— " King's College, - London,27th April, 1 .8 38 . " Ste,—.ln answer to the inquiry contained is your letter of the 25th instant, 1 have satisfaction in acquainting you that the cotpOtation of. Li ver p oo l are entitled. to nominations of pupils or stndents in this establisliineut, namely, to five in the higher, or the medieal,'and five in. the junior departtuent ; or to ten in thelatter, the jnnior department; and to this extent the sig nature of the Mayor "for' the time being will always be recog nised.'l aceordinglyAttuivself the pleasure of enclosing ,-ome nomination and other papeis: and I have the honour to remain, "Sir, • . . . " Your very obedient servant, "H. SMITH, Secretary. "G, Crooke„Esq., Town-hall, Liverpool." . Alt. BOLTON thOUght it would be better, when applications werp made, to give notice to the council. Air:Alderman 'dour moved that the Mayor's present appli cation t,e ,glauted, which was seconded by Mr. 1-IF.isiux LA W . . Mr. Councillor. CoGLAN opposed it on the ground that it would s a v our o f f a v o uritism. All applications uu "ill to be placed tha " same footing. r Mr. Councillor C► te ats said that the subscription had been made soine,tou-years ago, but.froni - that time to. this no.applica .tion had been. wade for, a nomination. - It would be as'well that the privilege were made known. Mr. Alderman. LEATHOM . enquired, what privileges the parties nominated had. - The 111 A von said they were admitted on cheaper term. Perhaps the best plan would he to refer it to the Education Committee to make a report ? Mr. Councillor EvANS asked whether, as the privilege of no :minating would be of little service here, while it would be ad vAntageous in London, it would be contrary to the dignity of the council to dispose of their right. 'the Al Avos said if it were of little value here, it might be a mutter of discussion whether they . should not get the value for it • The Ina teroxus , teferred to the Education Committee to re pfirt.:upon the advantages of•the course or instructiou. , ,:• SOUTHERN AND TO XTETH HOSPITAL. 'The, M A YOR said , he had received a memorial on this subject, which was read : Flß fOiloWs ; TO - Ithe Worshipful the Mayor, Aldermen, and Common council of the Borough of Liverpool. " The Memorial the Committee of the Southern and Toxteth • lio6pital. • "Showeth, " That fon the Bth of February last several gentlemen, being desirous to establish an hospiti‘l in thesouthern part of the town, held a meeting at the Clarendon liomns, when a resolution was unanimously adopted to the effect that the extension of the docks, the great increase of the population, and the distance of the Infirmary, rendered it expedient to establish an hospital at the south end of the town. _ _ . "That an appeal was subsequently made to the public for the means of promoting that desirable object, which they .have the gratification of stating was most satisfactorily responded to; the mime tof donations arid subscriptions being L2OOO and upwards. "'that your memorialists, being of opinion that the Town couueil are empowered, under the municipal act, to appropriate land to c haritable purposes, beg respectfully to apply to you for a portion of land, agreeably to the annexed plan, for the purpose of erecting a suitable building thereon. The necessity for this hospital has been very generally acknowledged, and your memorialists trust its object will powerfully plead with the council, and induce them to comply with the views and wishes of your memorialists: the pressing want of such an institution in that very populous neighbourhood, and the frequent Occur rence of casualties requiring the promptest attention, are grounds which your Memorialists feel fully assured would jus tify the Town-council in the opinion of the public ill according to this request, and would be ever gratefully acknowledged by your memorialists. On behalf of the committee, AMBUOSE LACE, Chairman." Mr. PLATT, at some length supported the . prayer of the me mm ial, urging strongly its necessity in the neighbourhood to which the memorial referred. He also added that nearly i::2050. was already subscribed, and if the council complied with the wishes of the memorialists he doubted not they would be ena bled to erect such a building as would be a credit to the town. Mr. Councillor LASSEL. enquired if it was in linter to make long speeches io presenting memorials? He had had a memorial to present for the last six weeks, which he had not the opportu wb.aesa lid:retro red p ies t e o n t t i h t e a t t t o h o is ,i i.: c o l i c i . i i i k cil.. to nity,illoesenting, and if the discussions were prolonged itA this wtry he, slaoulJ not report, thereon... thEmoitiAt.S. The M Avon. then read the memorial of Peter Coolitre., for., cOropen:Luipti . .for being turned out of a cellar iu Canning.place,- ArWoeirorial - •4 'Patrick Henry of Sir 'Tipunas's-build ltigii,','S6ted ;11:1t. in . a January - last violent assault was tom . - Mathd'ilpon-the petitioner's wife iv John WAnenly, who was tried for the ,if,m ee at the last sessions and fined £lO. and he uow prayed tl-at the £lO. might' be paid to him towards the loss oil expense he had incurred.' . Likewise . a me mor i a l f rom Thomas Saul: th e corporation bethrum, praying for a grant of weariog. Nppare 1. And further, a memorial trout (sant; Lee, of Seel-street,.complaininLf of the proceedings of the Court of Re quests—the whoie of which were 'referred to committees. ThL COUNCIL —TEE BALLOT QUESTION-4ND TiIt:WARD blEliT- . . INCis.. • or1 1 1, 1 ,: i. r i e .. f A ,u s r s ul E i t i c , , , flow rose street ward, t() t h o e n c t o h u e n l e a i t l e a b r a n i e lo m t o v r o ia t l 1 trig of the council. Mr. FREttlli, Mr. RAMSokN. and another member, also hav il)g similar Memorials to present, it was desired that they should be all'read helot e Mr. Lassell proceeded with his observations. I ie Deputy . TowN-Ci.Ectx read them accordingly, as follows: " To the Ma - yor'and Council of the Borougti of Liverpool, in 'Council assembled. , " The in! q f the Reformers qf Rodney-street Ward, in . Ward Sleeting assembled, " Showeth, " T"t, in the opinion of your memorialists, the spirit of the 11)unit:ilia I tetorm act is clearly designed to establish the perfect I'"stm"ihiliv of the members of the common council to their Coustitucots: * c " Th at your memorialists 'cannot r e f ra in from expressing opinion, eir opin , that iii' . adoption of any mode of voting which I t:IS from p u bli c ohsetvation the manner in which a dele , te4trust is e x erc i se d by, th e i r l oca l re p re s en s at i ves , is calcu pried, in the highest degree, to en feeble, it' utterly to de -431-1 oy, the popularit V of a !there! municipal . corporation; and your inf morialists view with feelings of aldrth, the method of secret toting, resorted to in the council chamber, on the 21st of Fchra a ry l as , ' ' orticr. and on behalf of the r,;veting. RVEY, Chairm " Licerrbol, 9Th Mareh, 1838." " i o titd Nuyor and Common Council of Livetnoul, in Coun assembled. " The 'Memorial of the liepriners of Great George Ward, agreed to at a Pablie .V.;eeting held on the 19th inBlant, in Mr. 11.. Y'en's larve ro.on, Upper Pitt-street, • " Respectfully showerth, "That votir memorialists are fully persuaded that it i s founded on reason auu experience that respousibility is esieutl,ai to all good government, find that one great excellence of the mitnieina I reform act consists io its securing to the constituency. the entire, responsibility of the' common council. Your memorialists are also convinced, that all the delibera tions and votes of the representatives in council ought to be open cud public, and that it was. wisely Frovided and ordainedi, by an early resolution of the reform council of this borough, tha,t publicity shotild be given to alt their ,iloceedings. • " Your menifirialists having leaned with much regret that the members of the common council adopted the mode of secret voting on the 2 tst of February last, cannot avoid declaring that such a plan is calculated to destroy all responsibility on the part of the representative, to lessen confidence in men chosen by the public voice'for the management of a most important trust, and to conceal front observation decisions which ought to be subject to the examination of the whole constituency, whose interests are deeply involved. . " Signed on behalf of the meeting, "'Taos. BURY, Chairman. " Ldeerpool, 21st March, 1838." "To the Mayor and Common Council of the Borough of Liverpool, in Council assembled, " The Memorial of the Reformers of St. Paul's Ward. passed at a Public Meeting, held on the 28th March, 1838, " Respectfully showeth, "That your memorialists have observed with alarm that the vote by ballot has been introduced in the proceedings of the council, on the 21st February of this year. "That your memorialists believe the adoption of any mode of recording the votes of the members of the council, which de prives the constituency of the means of aseertaining in what manner each individual councillor diseharges' the duties of a delegated trust, is attended with great clanger to the continu ance of responsible local government. "That your memorialists are most earnestly desirous that the Town-council should possess the entire confidence and support of the liberal majority of the electors of the borough. That support, they submit, can never be so fully secured as by the greatest publicity being given to the votes and the opinions of those whom the constituency have elected. " Your memorialists, therefore, respectfUlly urge upon the attention of the council the necessity for passing a resolution to the effect, that on all future divisions of the council, in which the mode of obtaining the votes is not prescribed by the legisla ture, the voting upon such occasions shall be open to public in spection. "And your memorialists will ever pray, &c. "Signed on behalf of the meeting, " WILLIAM GI L L MO R E , Ch a i rman. " T"o the Worshipful the Mayor and the Counnou Council of the Borough of Liverpool, iu Council assembled. " The Memorial of the Reformers of North Toxleth Ward, adopted on Monday the 26th init., " Respectfully showeth. "That your memorialists are deeply impressed with the con viction that the greatest publicity which can be given to the votes and opinions of the representatives in council constitutes the most effective check to any .improper exercise of an impor tant public trust, and forms the be=t preservative against the evils which time and circumstances have a tendency to produce in all human institutions. "That iu common with a great number of the liberal consti tuency of the borough, your memorialists have observed With alarm the mode of secret voting adopted in the proceedings of the council on the 21st of February last, upon the occasion of recommending magistrates for her majesty's new commission. "That your memorialists have to express their regret that upon a former occasion, the same mode of obtaining. the votes of the council as that of which they now complain, was adopted without observation or protest on their I►art, a circumstance which they attribute to the novelty of their posit ion with refer ence to to the various and important duties which the muni cipal reform act called upon them to perform. " That your memorialists, in the 'Lost respectful but earnest terms, represent the danger which is likely to result from such a mode of obtaining the sense of the council, with reference to its effects in the first instance upo❑ the responsibility of the re= presentative, and in the second place, its tendency to lower the character for independence which the council now enjoys in public estimation. "That your memorialists firmly believing that while the pro tection of the ballot, would be judiciously employed in .render ing the exercise of a right inherent in the individual indepen dent and uncontrolled, it would, at the same time, have a most injurious effect when used to shield lions the public the manner in which their representatives discharge the duties of a delegated trust. "Your memorialists, therefore, respectfully call npon the council to pass a resolution to the effect, that upon all future occasions in which the council shaßhave to dis charge in elective powers, either in its legislative or its executive capacity, that the open mode of voting shall in every instance be adopted. "And your memorialists will ever pray, &c. " Sighed on behalf of the meeting, " Wit:LIAM M.'Kes., Chairman. " Liverpool, March 31st, .1838." Mr. LASSELL then continued. He said as soon as the me morial bad been put into his hands, he put a motion on the books to the effect that the council would pass a resolution that on all future occrsions they would vote openly; hut probably if he had had more experience he should have couched it in dif ferent language. liethoughtit would he unnecessary to burden the books with every memorial; he therefore would move " that the memorial be received, and that it he a standing order in the council, that on all occasions in which there was a division the votes should be taken openly." He had been requested to sup port the prayer of the memorial, and he agreed with the reform ers of Rodney -street Ward, except where they express their alarm at the vote of the council, for he did not partake in that alarm. If it had been a predetermined vote there might have been just cause fur alarm, but it was not so: they merely voted us -they had done before—erroneous thought it was in a repre-. seutative body to vote secretly. No one would dispute that it was the intention of the municipal act to establish entire respon sibility. That was a defect of fernier corporations, which were self-elected, with nobody to call them to account, the public .only being made aware of their proceedings in consequence of the communications of some of the more liberal of their body, for the press was carefully excluded from their deliberations. It was to remedy this that the municipal act was passed, and the framers of that act in the first instance intended .that. the aldermen as well as the councillors should be elected by the peo ple ; but it having been subsequently determined to leave their election to the council, au additional responsibility was cast upon th em , in euabliug them to add largely, to their. number by self-election. But in giving that power the legislature prevented them voting secretly in , the choice of aldermen, by appointing the manner in which it should he done ; and be eouevived that every argument that held good with reference to the election of - aldermen, would hold loud in resp ec t t o every ot h er appoint ment which they made; they had a like responsibility in both. He believed that if any one person in council called for open voting, it was their duty to take their votes by card; it did herefore ,seem a strange anomaly that if 63 wished for secret vo ting that any one should have it in his power to thwart thei r wishes. That might be used as an argument against him, but he would nevertheless press his motion, that it be a standing order that all questions should be determined by open voting. Mr. PLATT seconed the motion. Mr. Bo',TON supported the motion, and he concurred in the opinion that no vote ought to be g iven, that wou ld put them i n a situation to screen themselves . With regard to the occurrence which had given rise to the meetings flout which the memorials presented that day had emanated, he believed it bad been the result. of inadvertency, which he pleaded. If he had foreseen the dissatisfaction which had arisen in consequence, he for one would have moved that their names be recorded. Mr. JAMES LAWitENcE briefly Opposed secret voting. Mr. Alderman EVANS said, as the council have already re ceived the memorials, I have no need to dwell on the number and respectability of those who have been parties to them. But, with regard to the resolution which has been offered by Mr. Lassell, I must altogether dissent from it. I conceive. that it is quite sufficient that the memorials be read. That the well expressed wishes of the people of Liverpool will have due weight at the proper time, I have no doubt whatever, and 1 conceive that ought to content all parties. We have one of the memorials mentioning the words of " independence of the council." Sir, the indepebdence of the council in every respect ought to be equally dear to the constituency as to ourselves. This council cannot be lowered, canton be degraded, cannot be held out to the public as a corporate body under the influence of fear, without a very great injury upon the constituency itself. (Hear.) Under these circumstances I greatly regret that Mr. Lassell—he was not called upon, 1 believe, by the Rodoev-street memorial to move any resolution whatever, the others have got it in, and tbere it would have stopped. Mr. Lassen, in his opi nions upon the ballot generally, is quite at valiance with what I believe to be the opinions of the great majority of the refor mers of Liverpool. Mr. Lassell is against the ballot in elections of members for parliament. I believe the reformers are all for it; therefore, the Rodney-street Ward reformers, nut having asked him to move a resolution of that sort, I cannot help think ing he is going a little beyond what was required of him. But, Sir, what necessity is there to press iu aid any resolution upon this now ? Is it tint coercing the council into an acknov.ledg went, that it had committed an error—one of a nature that was almost treated as a crime? Now, Sir, I hitie no feeling what ever that we did err at that time, And the evidence of it. was that there was not one gentleman got up to notice that we were doing what was wrong. That this matter, which, in itself, is an absolute mole-hill has been made into a mountain is quite clear, but for what purpose I know not, at least I wont endea vour to account. But I cannot conceive that we can. after re ceiving these memorials, come to any resolution of that kind.' that would be equivalent to the admission, which we have no right to make, for we were not conscious of it, and I ain not yet conscious of the impropriety of resorting upon particular occa sions to that mode of electing. But I grant that when it is the wish of the eoustituency, it it is not a principle of a vital nature, that we ought trust to carry it into practice. It is much better to act in accordance with the constituency, and on that they Might to rely, that their memorials wilt not be forgotten, stud • that they will have their due weight. On that account I con fine- myself to recommending to the council that they receive them with all the respect due, but that they pass no resolution of this kind. I see not why the constituency is to doubt this Council—why are we to doubt ourselves—why are we to divest ourselves of - discretion hereafter? And what would be the use of it? Were we to make a resolution of this kind, it is oot like a bye-law which will hold us, which will bind us• it will be competent. for any body after that to get up and move the old mode of acting. But f conceive that we cannot, with the sense of what we owe to ourselves, which we owe to the constituency, go into any resolution before the occasion comes iu which we are called to exercise our elective or our reconamendat9ty powers. It is quite sufficient upon that occasion, and upon every other, to decide how we are to vote; therefore, I oppose . all kinds of restrictious—all kinds of limitations on the discre tion of the council. Mr. Conneillor JOHN SMITH said, that he should be doing an injustice to his own feelings as the representative of an indepen dent constituency, if he did not raise his Yoice,on'that occasion, against what he considered to be an unwarrantable attempt to control the free exercise, of the opinions of that council. In what light, he would ask, where they, sitting officially in that room, to be viewed by the public out of doors? Were they to be considered as the representatives or simply - as the delegates, of the people? Were they to be looked upon as mere automa tons in the hands of certain parties, to du their bidding upon every occasion, without being permitted to have even a will or opinion of their own ? If he thought for a single instant, that such was the tenure upon which he. held his office, highly as he might prize the honour of a seat in that council, rather than Submit to such degradin g and humiliating conditions, he would at once resign it. They were terms which no.independent mind could tacitly submit to—they were term s whi c h no' independent constituency ought to caforce. But he hod a very different opinion of what ought to constitute the character of - a town councillor. He considered that the public had an undoubted right to expect that he would at all times further and support, to the utmost of his power, every measure that might. he deemed conducive to the general welfare. That he - would advocate as strict an economy in the expei;,,iiture 'the corporate funds as might be consistent with the dignity of the council, and compat ible with the growing wants and improvements ut the town ; in fact, that he 'would unitorinly. use his hest endeavours to pro mote the interests, the comforts, and the happiness of the peo ple—thus much lie would readily admit, the public had a right to expect at his' baulk—but with regard to the means, the man nea, the mere machinery by which these measures were to be carried into effect, he contended they had no just right to inter fere;:these were.mattets which might, safely be left, awl which ought to be left, to the judgment mud discretioU of him whom VP ") fl A; ' they had selected to b e O w n. t• e. artt Al I• °admit auv other rule tr priticiptc, would he to coeice and control the Andepen ,cenve of that ier , sent:itive, a u ‘.l the moment they dot that, they curtailed aud cireturisrribett the sphere of" his usefulness. These were 'ins catqiid•-opinithi,l4—tit e y -might please or they might offend —kitit,':isihey proceede:d frorn the honest convic 7 twit of his mind, he stated t hWiri 461i11y or unreservedly. With respect to the titiefion or The ballot itself, he bAtt no hesitatimi iu declattug ,tttt he Sppioved not of the . pi-arOice. of secret voting either in'iliihro or out of doors. He was a staunch ad mirer of that straight-forwatd, manly, john Bull system of open-voting, which had hitherto distinguished, and which he hoped and trusted Would limp , continue to distinguish, the cha racter of the British people.: r 'As he could not, however; bring his mind to regard the - ittenaorials before . them in any other point of view, than as an . assumptiun of dictatotial authority over the proceedings and free deliberations o( the council, he would oppose the minion .Of Lassell. Mr. Councillor flarany La vvi r mitcs: oPtiosed secret voting, but contended that the votiegiii question was nut secret, for the papers were written in the presehreof other gentlemen, and sonic of them were signed by the'gentleinen voting . , who con ceived it necessary to do so. if he had u4t signed - his paper concealment was out of the question; for his handwriting was known to every attoruey's 'clerk in Liverpool. Mr. EARLE concurred with what had fallen from Mr; Alder man Evans and Mr. Lawrence, and added that he had signed his voting paper ou the occasion in question. Mr. CoGLAN did not view the memorialising the council by their constituents as an attempt to coerce them ; but he agreed that too much had been made of the matter. He thought that the great mass of reformers who sent their representatives there. knew that they bail laboured assiduously, and they ought not to be too severe on . a subject on which there was so wide a differ ence of opinion. But so long as their constituents felt their secret vote to be a violation of the principles on which they came to that council their sentiments ought to be listened to with at tention. fie thought they all should agree, in the leading principles, that whatever their opinions might be ; they ought not to shield them:: Something had been said of John Bull giving his vote openly, but many there knew, and none so well as the gentleman who had addressed them, that those votes were often the result of intimidation and coercion. Ile had made up his mind as to the necessity of protec:ing the constituency, but the constituency had a right,to call upon them to vote openly, that tht4y might knots , how their votes had keen given:i On that point they were all agreed. Their constitutents, too, bad a right to express their sentiment§ to them, withoutbeing supposed to desire to coerce them. Why did they ,Vote privately, and they all admitted that they ought not to have done so. rf the matter * were left to himself individually, he should prefer being shielded - by the ballot—perhaps he should give a more honest vote if left to his own unfettered feelings , . because he could vote without of fendhrindiriduals or breaking those relations of life, which they were all anxious to preserve. But as the public had a right to kuow whether he acted up to the opinions on which he entered the council—and they had all seen that pub= lic men had entered the arena of public life who were supposed to maintain certain principles which they were afterwards found to have deserted—he spoke of the national senate, for he hoped there were none there who had abandoned their prin cipes—he agreed that voting should be open; for if they had the protection of the ballot those who deserted their colours might go on with a series of measures inimical to the views which their tonstithentS supposed they entertained. Mr lloestur wished to explain why be should vote against the motion of Mr. 'Lassf To himself it was a' erfect matter of _indifference. whether they had the ballot ot not, but ho thought it unuecessafy to - pas*a resoloi ion, when the intention, of the council was Understood. Mt: Lasselt, in the course of his remarks, had stated that if it wete'desired by one member the voting must be taken openly—(bear, hear)—and if, there fore, there-was only one honest man to be found among them it was sutficient. On those , grounds. and not from any disrespect to the memorialists, he should vote against the resolution of Mr. Lassell. Mr. Cueitie hoped he was not like his fiiind Mr. Coglan, that he should give a vote more honest with the ballot than with out it—perhaps with it be should vtite More comfortably. He begged, then, to rem ar k i n the first instance, that they were hound to receive with all respect every advice or suggestion; wheOgerjustified or not, of their constituents, and to the best of hisrPiver he would act according to their wishes; but be thought a great deal inure bad been made of that matter than was Be necessary. He did not consider hibaself to braille for the vote be had given ou2lst February, for they had acted so before, when a similar question was before the council. He was always ready to. avow his vote,aud he never gave one that he cared putiliely to pro claim. It appeared to he understood that in future the wishes of their constitutents should be complied with, shy then was it necesH sary to pass that resolution ? He thought they ETistituetits might be satisfied with knowing their memorials had been re ceived. and thaf the vote of which they complained Was, not the rule but the exception—for it was only the secotid*Vote of the sort in two years and a half—and it way net likely to be fol lowed by any dangerous consequences. With those views- but at the same time he dissented from the opinion .of the councillor for West Derby, that there was an attempt at dicta tion--(hearfor the memorialists did not wish to control their' actions, but merely .wished that they should change the mode of expressing them—but he repeated with 'those views he thought to pass that resolution was a woi k of supereorogation. If they were then to make it a standing order, next week, next Mouth, or next year, it might be rescinded, and, therefore, they required to he bound by something stronger than a nacre reso lution of the council. lie wished, therefore, not to negative the motion, but, as he considered it unnecessary, he was desi rous to get rid of it as delicately as possible, and should move the previous question, and he trusted their constituents would be satisfied. . Mr. BARCLAY seconded Mr. Currie's amendment. Mr. COOPER expressed his gratification to hear so general an expression of conserva'ive sentiments in the memorials; he was for open John Bull voting and now he found all ureehil, him agreed on that subject, since the holding of the Great George's ward (Conseivative) meeting, of which, by the by, he bad never heard'until he entered that . rootin: (Laughter.) Mr. Woot.t.aitit-tT thought they did not want a standing or der to hind theircousistency. • Mr. Alderman LEATuotti agreed with Mr. Ctiiiie in his views. Mr. DUNCAN had felt disposed to vote with Mr. I:aSsell, but after healing Mr. Currie he did lAA think it necessary to pass . . Mr. Lassen's resolution.' Mr. Alderman BULLEY concurred with Mr. Currie. ' Mr. liAmsnEN would support Mr. Lassell's motion. Mr. JORDAN thought it a bad compliment to the gentlemen of the press to suppose that anything taking plaCe there would be secret. . Mr.. ILAwnoN and Mr. Lic;ti troth exp re sect their tipproval of open voting; hut Mr. Leigh said he co ncurre d i n t h e obser vations cif Mr. Currie. ..•. The MAYOR would deviate from his usual custom, and press his opinion on the motion before the council. He would vote ai.!, , ainst Mr. LittSell's imition . , forliedisaPpr ove d o f th a t tying up of their hatids He slidtild look at the object before them; and keep it steadily itivie*; and, perhaps, in attaining it; he might nortake the same view as his constituents would, and if his constituents had 'not cOnlidence iu him the sooner they got rid of him•tbe better. Mr. LASSELL replied. Mr. Councillor JORDAN. recommended Mr. Lassell to with draw his motion, which, however, was not complied with. The Al A Volt then put the motion, when there were— For the previous question Against it.. l5 Majority The motion of Mr. Lassell was therefore got rid of. The fidlo%.ing uas the division : For the previous question.-111 essrs. J. Holmes, W. Thorn , hill, W. Preston, C. Rawdon, 13. Frankland, Fl. HoltneS, J. Woollright, H. 1101114, H. Lawrence, W. Earle. jun., J. S. Leigh, J. Smith, F. Jordan,' W. W. Currie, W. M. Duncan. Aldermen T. LeathOi, G. "Holt, C. H. Jones, E. Evans,'!'. Holt, J. Moon, 'l'. Bullej - ; T. B. Barclay, and the Mayor. Agamst the previous question.—Messrs. E. Harvey, J. Mellor; T. Bolton, J. Lawrence, J. Cooper, J. N. Wood, W. Lassell, T. Morecroft. T. Coglan, J. Mason, E. Segar, G H. Lawrence, J. Platt, G. Ramsden, and Aldermatt W. P. Preine. The council then adjourned at i'quarter to fuur o'clock to t he first Wednesday ii► next month.. PROLIFIC MAkE.—On Saturday, a mare' belonging to Air. Johnson, of the Greyhounds, Boothstown, Worsley, foaled two coalts, which are doing well. It is reported, that a metropolitan member is to be' one of the coronation peers, and that a Whig-radical, long connected with the borough, will stand in his place. JORBING.—Joint stock companies have been wittily said to resemble the christmas game of snap-dragou—some get the plumbs, while a great many burn their fingers. The trades of Glasgow are !)reparing to getup a great public " demonstration" in favour of universal suffrage in that city. It is fixed for the 21st of next mouth, and Mr. Attwood amt. other " friends" from.Birminghain are to be itivited tea attend. The trades are to come forward On this, as on former occasions, with flags, banners, and must . Suictnu FOR Love.—Mr. Pain. a student at Oxford, and belonging to a wealthy family, in Glamorganibire, killed him self with a pistol.shot. a few nays since, ill const:quence of .havz ing been gilled by the daughter of a solicitor in Glamorgan shire. A banquet was given byte gold mith's company, an Satyr.l , day, at their spienoid hull,. to the Duke of Wellington, Sir K. Peel, Lord I...tolhutst, and a numerous circle of conservative nobletnen, Alderman Copeland preSitleht. Trim Swunisti PoLick..—flooxiNcr.—On perambulating the streets during night each carries an instrutuclit something like a pitchfork, having a spring et - the end of it, by which a mattruis sujet, when in the act of flight, can either• be' taken by the neck or leg, and thus secured most effectually; 'which saves these guardians of the night much' trouble in running after them unarmed.—Rae Wilson's Travels in Norray and Sweden. CoNGaKss OF MONA Rcug.- , -A 'congress is anon the lapis, to' be held at Prague, in July, dt Which the three northern poten tates will preside, assisted by the Kings of Hanover, Bavaria, and Wirtemburg. Spain and 'the East are the reported topics, Poland and the catholic question being mutually agreed-upon by the Czar and the King u( Prussia to be passed sub ROCHDALE FLANNEL MADRE'''. MONDAY. APRIL 30.—The market to-day has uudergobe little change from that of the preceding week ; and the pieces which have been sold as. at last Monday's prices. There has not been much doing in the wool market, and the indifference of the manufacturers to pur chase shows that tbey have not much fear of its being higher. Prices have undergone no change since last market. THE Ductikss OF LEiNsTER's DiAmoNDs.—A warrant has issued, by the magistrates of Henry-street police-office, Dublin, against Sir Francis Stanhope, on u change of being concerned in the robbery of the casket of also nulls belonging to the Duchess of Leinstrr, which have grace been restored. • Sir Francis is brothvr of the duchess. and holds the office of usher to the Knights of St.. Patrick.—Globe. PPRSTON AND .LONORIDDE RAILWAY.—On Saturday last. the half-yearly meeting of the proprietors of the Preston and Longridge Railway was held, pursuant to advertisCarent, at the Tow n -hall, for the purpose of electing directors (as riejuired by the ac!,) to fill up the vacancies arising from the gunig out of office of six of the whole number of twelve who form the direct-. ing body. There were - about Iwenty gentlemen present, and 'l'. B. Addison, tsq., Was called to the bilair. The report of the directors of ihe state or the works throe; limit the line WYS then read, and stated, amongst other matters, that the execci- • tion of the work at the Longridge end "had been let to Mess!". Fleming and Co. It .appeared from the tePort that the works were iu x made of forwardness. It was stated that the directors were in treaty for the purchase, of smite land et Dilworth. tie, the terminus at Longridge; and lc resolution was agreed to, a ti thurising t h em to conchide the contract tor the same accetilir g :y. The acquisition of this land will, we teal n, beolgreat , as it will err - able the company to obtain a more easy awl f,lllw mical access to the quarries, than was at first autcriiated ; gradient, Or inclined plane, being reduced. the level on which they will now form the road being lower; Thereport as to the , prospects of the undertaking gave very general satisfaction to the meeting, who expressed the approval of the eoudoet and exertions of the directors. Mr. Wiliiekson • moved, that the dire(tors who had gone out (by previous ballot) Should be re-, elected. The motion was secduded by Mr. Alderman Dixon; and was unanimously agreed to, su thst all the former diattlyi resume office:—Presion Observer. RD