The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-11-11 00:00:00

836. / • , 1 7 ,( 1. 7 • - - r • _ _ ....,-~;, nom„<-~ 7, 41 . M A. Nkii; sl ll 1836 have sworn to p'rotect't hem ; but do we see them coming for ti'de'd to their assistatsee-'—do we see them attempting to alit vialetlioil distress as they promised to do? Instead of seeing ,heat come e lon to tell the people that they are honestly lia nieantghle•f.the tu.tilinent of their promises, and in honesty bound to then - +, respect th e we see them standing forward to increase the 4 In such a' time is it fitting that men.should he ashamed Of shunting forward in defence of their principles? We hear !rein all.quarters that there is peace prevailing in Ireland. 'We nr e - colter:it elated on all hands that Ireland is at peace, while undertleit peace so celled the rights of the clergy are all buried, awl the. very men wile' now - seek assistance prove that .- this Pber:e..., by ;is not peace;—it is only repose which is taken, while the full pci:w; er of tyranny' slunibeis. Yea, although this peace is occasional shocks;yet these of themselves indicate that it so e s y a slumber. Those rights which the powerful es- LeciallftWOre to'protect" - are violated. (Loud cries-of " Hear.") vv hal s air, to hear that the rights' of ministers of the gospel cannot be recovered, that the law is impotent in their behalf, and, in the same aentence, to hear of rejoicing, because in the country every ` thing is at peace-e-toescare away frem the glad processien the wasted looks that betoken the heart-sickness ?' CuO hopes—bid the ministers of the• Gospel and young faun riee hie beck to their 'sorrowful abodes—to bid them there waste A and die the unseen cleatheand, when some victim of conciliation disappears fr o m th e treacherous tranquillity over which the bark of state is carefully sweeping, :to forget him so soon as the - ripple on the surface has been smoothed—so soon as the wail for his l i e ; .ae l i t a t r thi tl i -t e i )7l e has died . etvay, .and the heart it . broke still, and to col a the romantic Seneibilittes . of the liberal and enlightened, may grace and dicer the cause of the lawless wretch who has keen made an instrument to do wrong, nut knowing 'shat he did, or of the caitiff who has for his own base ends Con trived the erithe end'stimulated the offender—is Ain a time like this, it shotild be accounted wrong to aim at asserting rights so-. wantonly invaded? Oh,' sir, it is '4 nefarious strife which is - waxed againSt ecclesiastical property in Ireland. Not only - is toe struggle defiled with a foul and perjured violation of a most i aleirincompaet, but the iestruinents blindly incited to engage In the'struggle put their bodies and souls' in- peril without the tinniest prospect that they can be benefited by the issue.— (Hear.) - would the Protestant in Ireland profit by the extinc tion of tbs clergymen'i rights: - If he did, we could understand that there was design in his dishonesty. He would not pay a debt, bccanse hii creditor was a Protestant clergyman, arid to the amount he withheld from him' he was enriched. But it is well known that the were abolition of tithe could produce no good effeet ; the landlord would still eked, the value of his land, it heightens the .abhorrence with winch this warfare' against , , .. Cottrell property is regarded, to remember that its victims are found in a class who stiffer, as all acknowledge. so undeserveclly, and among those who can derive no advantage from the suffer ings they inflict :• and that those who benefit by the war,- incur snored itS dangers, so far as this world is concerned, and un derstand thoroughly the ebligat ions which should have dissuaded' them frolu promoting it.—(Cheers.) But, sir, on the part of these e t ith whom I have been Privileged to aet,• I feel that I may , say, amtin my .1-eii name I most solemnly affirm that _the mo tives ascribed TO its are altogether the invention - of him who inse• Pates therri. Most wirting:y would 1 see the Church of England to irland;ntede subject to a fair trial. Most willingly would I hear 'fiery, , . coeirplaint aeainst her ezaeatned—every inaintiatinn or charge against her cloctriMs dr her temporalities, estimated at its dee importance; and any charge, which Was for het good and the nati,mai welfare, tea the interests of religion fearlessly carried into exec . :lithos, brthe Church of En glaud, - - - that I arraign' the do c t r ineseif Retire. 'llly motives are such as t declare-thee - I y eNdaining, Wherever men assemble, the justice of the eleinis Which th.e'Y had once distinctly_ acknowledged. No, they have one privilege by swearing inoath— , they may convert privile ge .into view by breaking it; and many who hall Pledgee, th . eruselves solemnly to support the minister in his diffi . cnities, are fuutel to Le raring up the' diffiehltiee and crea ting the perils by which his right.; are be overherrie. if in a state of things like this, it was an object to expose the . principles and purposes of these who week' sap the foundations Of right be fi aud, and shake there by violence, there is surely nothing in suce an object which demands 'concealment ; and. wheir - the times are such that gentle words must be spoken, and just indignation smothered, when Circumstances of great enor toke are hinted at—when men have so - forgotten the terms in' whickperjury and plunder should be denounced;that altoinish bisherS shall lioastfully declaim upon the successful issue of the v;°. l Vsce which he i was sworn _to repress—when the gevernment snail be foiled courting congratulations on what it pleases to term the tranquillity of the realm, while every now and then shocks are 'fearfully felt, and warnings fitfully uttered, which proclaim the stillness of deceitwhile, wherever the calm re mains:unlit oken, it is but as the repose in which violence re (none itself when it has triumphed over law, would - it be unna • tural*ere we to speak of those wrongs and sufferings_ which we are Made to endure? If I might be allowed to introduce an irregularity, sir, into your meeting, I would prove that our de signs are single. Dr. Murray has said that t he Church of ilingtand, unless she reforms her homily, and the Church of Scotland her Catechism, neither have any right to complain of bees; . As to the Church of Scotland she will not bestow to do her duty. (Hear, hear.) The Church of England I hope, and she is called upiin hir it, will de hers. Our church pronounces that - in her homilies are sound doctrines, but our church does not say, does riot believe, that every word in them is perfect , or that every, word is inviolable in anything but the Ho l y Scrip tures, But Dr. Murray charges us with being wrong in the very otitwork'of our church. He charges us at once with here sy, end 'with caring less for doctrines than interests. Might it not be expedieut, to, address a letter to Dr. Murray, calling 'Mon bite distinctly . to,naree the grounds of his accusations against our church. ' (Loud cheers.) The letter might be written iu some . such way as the following; not that I would . preseribe.ndirect form, but it might be a sort of platfOrm on which the substatiee could be placed. Thus ..--" Most reverend sire—You have been pleased to inculpate the Church of Beg )and by a statement which insinuates that she teaches doctrines of equaliniquity with, these set forth by Professor Dens. On behell of the Charch of . Eugland I call upon - you to name the grounds of such as accusation, and so far fiorn being angry or visiting your reply .with opprobrium, I hereby state that we shall Meek you fOrStlie Communication, and that if you make it known to us that there. are in our church any such gross bleinislies as the doctrines of not keeping faith and the hunt ing Wdeith otheretics, you will find us diligent in prosecuting the remedies for the removal of such blemishes, of the existence of f vrgCli..,We .iiever hitherto bad any notion." - Might it not' ne e.4e'qenl'iti address a letter of this sort tette! reverend sioet4 6 4 g :Why do ice oppose the doctrines of the Church of %nig! e,Y s itteis...beceuse ,their doctrines are false I (Cheers.) k I trick I . 4ffe s is mt 911;u who hears .me who would not be hs react, 4:k „; :c x.lput egainst the, Church or E,ngland as against the .), th r . R E - p,g - p69, 7 if he could find that her doctrine:: were 4i, 1 / 4, clegra4 the same iniquity. .We should, he Willing, to ch a i i ke, ~A,,ig if we could see in our system the saineerrors that eygagee l in the Church of "twee. 'l'hey were errors of long standiug. f hula° !het those . ineuahers if the ..Church of . Iloine in li.:elaod, •.i ho Will A l e6dily see bow they have ', tioeti misled, and-A.olp if they jind that they cannot reform the 'errors of that .T.htl4sli:will - as s oileeeeine out efit, (Hear, hear, and che e rs . ) La -tliha,piriteiglhe - evords of yoUr., sepia . will I conclude-pre vialstijek.theisignoisal of the tesolntionwhich bus been entrusted to Ilse•Olipee , ,,werds which express your firm and deliberate de terietiniejeecialisset, the authority of God must not beset aside ; that • thFrtese s reye`aled truths that both rulers and people may and Ogists' s leseiltnow it; that both rulers and people are bound to. give st,peactical reverence in their council chamber, in the aenale t lAeuln the school, in the family, as well 41S the closet; thatll, A p t hip4r fellow-coutitrytnen he ignorant of this high. Prineifileaed . .the duties cousequent thereon, .they should be instructed; if any have forgetten, they should be reminded; if any be'. hesitating, they should be decided;' if any be timid, th ey shoUld he encouraged; 'if any be supine, they should be stimulated, So,that our rulers may know, and the nation may kno - w, had 'the Whole civilized world may know, that England and itio,Bible are so linked together that no infidel philosophy, ho caris4..coinpseinise, ..no `unnatural coalition between the tlis4ples' , Of liberality, and the disciples of intolerance can 4 issolve the s indiSsolulile.boud. Awl that when liberalism shall s 'taws? succeeded in extinguishing the voice of conscience, when VoPery shall have sueeeded in enthroning the dogmas of her nliostpasy in the Chair of. unquestioned iufallibility, when in fidelilyshall have succeeded .in burning up the last copy of the biblesessaseinli, when atheism shall have succeeded in expelling, th e going hum his own creation , then, 'but not before, shall be deprived of her C o nstitution, the palladium of eivifs, t 4 t .ei.i B .. u .s liberty among ehaukind." - This is the ldri,tl4sAschich•protcstants .should meet together. (Loud a n d s iong s senisAn' ttecl cheering.) The reverend gentleman concluded by moving "That the, repert be adopted, printed, and circulated." T s Voits.:sgii, P.sq-.,. : ,brietly seconded the mutiou , w hi c h w as caeried utiassiensitilk, - • ' . The .liev.2ll;VsN'ei LE rose to Propose the next resolu ti on , and was greeted with enthusiastic cheers. He said,--Mr:Chair man, ladies. and gentletnen, I had fully expected that the time of the meeting would have been occupied, not only by our, re s verend • friend who has just addressed you, but by our absent brother the Itavißnbert McGhee, of whom. I need say ne.more than ; that his defence is as ample as his accusation is acrimoni ous. lenention,,it to account for my comparative non-prepara tion to oectipy the place in which I now stand I shy "prepa t-am," because I would unfeignedly shriek front tresspassing on the indulgence of ,rov kiiid friends whoui I see around me, stud Whose indulgence I have indeed preViously experienced, - I would nufeionedly shriek from presuming to occupy the pose tionin which. 1 f stand, Without having madethe fullest and most Pains-taking preparation that. tune and opportunity would per mit. • Buts , I said al; C), " comparative non-preparation,"—be- cause, Sir, I eicauk my QatL. through Jesus Christ our Lord, that. in she catiee of Protestantism; Which is the cause of ever lnstingsteuthshaelies not tertine to lie at atty. time wholly unpre pared. Al s oiet sliee.4ls.). Nei*, sir,: I:would take the liberty, In the first pliteei4sff addressing a few words to any individuals in this vast assembly, who may be unfriendly to the object for Which this meeting is, eouvened. I would request such .persons to remember what I doubt not will be received' as.a truth bythe intelligentnereens before me, that peblieeneetings'of anything 'aPptoaching,to the dimensions of the present are not suitable arenas for theological discussiuns.. The subjects invoked in such discussions demand patience,—they demand investigation,— before a verdict can with any propriety be pronounced. There fore, while public meetings are admirable mediums for giving an impulse, tu already willing minds, they are altogether unsuit able places for. theological - discussions. Therefore, if any of our Roman Catholicjellow townsmen should next week, or the week after, at their own convenience, choose to convene a pole. lie meeting at this place, and. appoint-their speakers, and give forth tickets, and-declare that the meeting is not for discussion, "id that no person will be alloweddo speak, but under the di rection of the chair, I will Yenture, to promise for the Protes 'inht community of . this town,—if any of them come into this house. on such an occasion, and with the privilege of such a ticket--thatthey will remain quiet, and give no disturbance to their Romeo Catholic neighbours . (Vehement cheering.) Now, sir, among the various characters which have been lavishly and very gratuttously . bestowed on me of late, one has been 'that of a prophet. - (A. laugh.) I lay no claim, neither have I 'ftver done so, to -so high an office; but as I do desire to make myself agreeable to all toy friends, and as it is never too 'ate to do well, behold, I shall make - my first attempt. and ut ter a prophecy.- (Laughter and cheers.) In the course of the following week there shall be a puzzle in the minds of some of 'Or "esteemed contemporaries," as the gentlemen of the press have it, what they are to do as to a representation of this.meet ing; and there shall appear a peiagraph headed "Orange Elo quence a nd T ovy. Misrepresentation." (Tremendous cheer ing and laughter.) It will run after this fashion,—(continued laughter,)—" tighter The Tories are at their old works,—(coutinued )_... 0 f bigotry and calumny against their Roman Cat ho li . • • • cstellow-sliblects. (Laughter.); They had another exhibi lbition last Tuesday, in the Ampitheatre,—(cheers and laugh -1:;",)—at which a person who calls. him s e lf the Rev. Morti mer ..`,! Sulli vati ,—(continued laughter, ) — added to his already long list of f a l se c e ase :es against the Catholic Church,—(cheers ;)e-- "'I. not content with the vague expressions of polemical vitu peration, he • assailed, with the most disgusting personalities; that meekest of nil meek prelates, the most Rev. Dr. Murray." (Cheers and laughter.) The prophecy is not yet quite finish erle---( Laughter.)—l still suppose myself reading from " our esteemed, " who ones on to say, "This gentleman was followed laughter, in which the il y oUr own Ilugo,"—(convulsions of ". gentleman heartily jo;ned,)—" who in a strain of intole tynle ridicule, anticipated our account of the meeting; and. con , 11 "ol him, he slid it in so. much better language, than we can s ' ,'," int alltl. that aes don't .know what to say about the matter." enee (el ',beet log and laughter.)-- .Well, sir, so much thrpso . ' ""v• I have a great advantage in this; Ite /11 because ant; of these kluenwho are-so iimlined, can make me a true prophet in 1 " ° or three days, (pointing to the reporters.) (A laugh,) But TII LivrwooL STANDARD . . system, which, with justice to Ireland on its lips, and universal charity on its banner ; has in its heart hatred to England and ex termination of heretics. (Long continued cheering:) - 'But, there is another charge which has been adVanced to-day against the churchwf Rome, and to which I must call 'your attention —Hot for the purpose of reiterating the statements so ably Made, but to break rather new ground in this matter. The charge I allude to is the opposition of the church of Rome, to the'free circulation and indiscriminate reading of - the Word of God. I shall do this, not by recurring to proofs, but by calling your attention to a document wherein the notorious fact is taken for granted, by which. our minds will be directed to anothei subjectof deep and lively interest, The' 'doctiMent now advert -to I hold in My, hand. It is a letrer frOm Lord Stanley, then Mr. Stanley, to the Duke of Leinster, annetmc'- - ing the determination of g overnment to establish a new board of education in Ireland. Lord Stanley writes thus concerning' the Kildare-place Society, then carrying on Scriptural educa- two : " While they (the government) do full justice to the liberal views with which that society was Originally instituted, they can not but be sensible that one of its leading "principles was calcu lated' to defeat its avowed objects, as experience has subse quently proved that it has. 'rho determination to enforce in all their schools the reading of the Holy Scriptures, without note or comment, was undoubtedly taken with the purest motives, with the.wishl at once to connect religious with moral and lite rary education, and, at the same time, not to run the risk of wounding the peculiar feelings of any sect by eatechetical in structiou, or comments which might tend to subjects of polemi• cal controversy. But it seems to have been overlooked that the principles of the Roman Catholic Church (to which, in any system intended for general diffusion throughout Ireland, the bulk of the pupils must necessarily belong) were totally at vari ance:with this principle; and that the indiscriminate reading of the Holy Scripture, without note or comment - by children, must be - peculiarly obnoxious to a church which denies; even to - adults, the right of unaided private interpretation of the sacred volume with respect to the articles of religious belief. Shortly after its institution, although the society prospered and extend ed its operations, (and the right hon. Secretary might have added, " embraced within its bosom Roman Catholic and Pio testant children by thousands,") under the fostering care of the legislature, this vital defect began to be noticed, and the Roman Catholic elergybegau to exert themselves with energy and suc cess against a s - ystsin to which they were on principle opposed, and which they feared might lead in its results to proselytism, even although uo such object were contemplated by its promo ters. When this opposition arose, founded on such grounds, it roots became manifest that the system could not become one of national education." In - the reading of this doCinnent, I want you, sir, and this - large and intelligent assembly to notice that the vital detect of the system in Kildare-street was the reading . of the scriptures:—that the new system was devised in brdei to remedy this,vital defect, and, consequently, if the reading of the scriptures be apart of the new systeM,' such vital defect is not remedied. But if the vital defect be remedied, the reading of the Scripture's is not a part of the new system. -This is very. simple—so simple, that; you will perhaps wonder why I should state it. The present Irish system was established fur the ex press purpose of remedying what was declared to be a-defectirr the old system, and What he described to be the indiscriminate reading of the holy scriptures try - the children in the sehools.""I want you to beer this in your minds, that the present Irish Sys tem ,was to do away with the reading of the scripture 'tient the schools. But were not extracts made from the scripture, whieli might give the word of God; so selected, as not to Wound - the peculiar religious sentiments - of any party ? On the subject of selections my Lord Stanley wrote thus:—" The Commissioners of education in 1824-5, sensible of the defects of the systeM, and of the grounds as well as the strength of the' objection taken, recommended the appointment of two teacherS in every school, one Protestant and the other Roman Catholic,sto super intend separately, the religious education of the children; and they hoped to have been able to agree upon a selection from the scriptures which might have been generally acquiesced in by both persuasions. But it was soon found that these schemes were impracticable." It was indeed impracticable to make a'selection that would satisfy both parties. The history how and why it was found impracticable is one of deep and vital interest. The present Primate of Ireland, and the late Archbishop of Dublin, were parties to the late attempt presented by . the government in 1824 and 1825, but in their hands no selection could be made to which the Roman Catholic archbishop would agree, and in his hands no selection could be made to which they would agree. There is one remarkable instance which willeive an idea of the manner in which these attempts failed. I hope ls I shall be er abled to make it plain to this meeting • though I must Confess it will require, on their part, a renewal of diligent and patient attention. (Cheers.) In the passages of scripture where the institution of the Lord's supper is given by Christ, and repeat ed by St. Paul, it was in four passages in scripture, three in the Evangelists and one in the Epistles—the language is inthe pre sent tense. "It is to this effect in all, and in these words in one This is my body which is given for you: this do in re membrance of me. This cup is my blood of the New Testa ment, which is shed for you." All is in the present time. Now in the Romish version of the New Testament, an alteration is made in the latter part of the sentence. The former part stands as ours:—" This i s my body which is given for you, this do in remembrance of Inc.' It stands thus:—"'Phis chalice is My blood of the New Testament, which shall be shed for you." The future tense is adopted. Oil this difference between tho pre sent and the future a large body of Popish doctrine is founded: on the present tense they build the doctrine of an unbloody sacrifice. They tell us. that Christ then and there gave his body : for he says, " it is given ;" but that then and there no blood was.shed; therefore there was no bloody sacrifice. But in the second clause there was a reference' to the sacrifice on the cross; and. therefore - it was put in the future tense, and not in the present, and therefore it shall be done—" it shall be shed for •you." Now there is no reason either in the original lan guege, as we have. it iu our version, or in any of the . MSS. which can be, found in any age, to justify this change of tenses. (Hear, hear.) At the present as regards the body, at the future as regards the blood. - 'r he Protestant bishops and archbishops peremptorily refused to allow the change of tease in the insti tution of the Lord's supper, in the proposed selections of 1824 and 1825.. The Roman ,Catholic archbishop 'insisted on the change : and it was found impracticable to come to an agree ment, and make a suitable selection. (Cheers.) ,We turn now to the selection made under happier auspices fol. the. Church of Rome, in 1831 and 1832, : and we find the most agreeable con nivance with the Heinen Catholic archbishop,. and the passage thus translated to he put into the hands of both Protestant and Roman Catholic children: "'Phis is my hotly which is given for you : this cup is the Now Testament iu my blood, which s about to be shed . for yon." (Hear and cheers.) Which is about to be shed ! And the Protestant archbishops agreed to titter the tense—retaining the tense as the ground of the uubleody sacri fice. What, then ? The future tense is retained with reference to the Catholics. The Roman Catholic had caught his pr e y, Now, now, we can make a selection. But in 182-1 and in 1825 Lord Stanley said - that selection was impracticable. (Isoud . cheering.) I hope you have all understood that. (Cheering.) In speaking of this selection,•there is another p ass age to which I wish to call ydur attention. o . n a . former occasion, you may remember, I called your attention to the Ist chapter of St, Luke, as compared with the statement professed at the coin.. mencement. that the whole of St. Luke was contained in the number, We .saw, by a very convenient juxta-position, th a t the promise was violated in time Ist chapter, and ten verses Were omitted. The verses omitted contain the address of the angel Gabriel, when sent to the Virgin Mary. It is written instil the M SS.—there is no resource for equivocation—" flail, then that art highly favoured!" When they come to transcribe this into. the selections, a 'difficulty flashed on their minds : the Pro testant members of the board would 'naturally tallow the plaits meaning of the original words, as given in the authorised ver sion;—" Hail, thou that'aft highly fairoured !" But if this had been done, one of the sweetest anthems of superstitious melody . that floats on the ears of Roman Catholic worshippers iu their dads oblations, would have been erased from the text. Oh What would have become of "Hail, Misty! full of grace?"— (Cheers and laughter.) The. Roman Catholic members of the hoard could by no means do away with " Ilail,Mary !" and the Protestant members could .by no means admit it. What is to be done then ? Put a pair of brackets, and give a digest, aefs avoid an actual transcribing of what the angel bath said. This was done. The paraphrase was given. It has been 'deeded by an honeuritble councillor its our town, as—(an unanimous burst of cheering)—it is very inconvenient to applaud in the middl e of a sentence : you have put me out.—(Cheers.)—lt has been pleaded as a justification of the omission of the verses—that it was inorg expedient to adopt that alternative. But lot us se e how it works. There is at the end of every passage, an in struction to the schoolmaster to ask certain questions. There is a set of questions given, andailrefe rence to the passage just read. In the margin after this chapter this questionoccurs, f or the master to put. to the children : • " How did the angel address her ?" An intelligent. child will look back to see. There is no address of the angel to her—it is a paraphrase.—(dear.) Now, how . did the angel address her? It is a hard question. Th e next question is,—" What-more did he say to her?" On refer ring.to the text, this also is a paraphrase.—(Dear.) Now, sir, let it be remembered that the masters ie these schools may be,. 'nnd in most. cases are, Roman Catholics. The child csaues.to a non-plus on these questions; for there is no answer in the.text, What will the master say, when applied to for an answer to the qu estion?—" Hail, Mary full of grace ?"--,-(Cheers andlaughs tee.) That s is what he will sey • , and so Protestaut childddrienosuv•itio,i. -be-told about it. The bible Les not so renddr it; ,btit it is iii the traditions of. the Roman catholic church. -In ati these perplexities of the, children in the schools,,;there are 4 141 . 1 )'' others. I have another document to read from,••end you shall have full permission to laugh as you please., 1 freelv,tell it you,. that I read it partly for the purpose of making you laugh at thp board. I attempted to sbew that, on a late occasion, by group ing four ministers of different persuasions in four corners of the room, and placing some one in the middle whom I did not nacre—(cheers and laughter). And you laughed and did well —for-it is a most absurd system. I will now give the document,. —it comes in -the, shape of a memorial from a teaches to the Commissioners of Education ; "The Hann, Effects of 'Reading the New Scripture Lessons in the National Schools of Ireland. —The memorial of Thady Brady., humbly sherveth, that I am,. as you knew, Thady Brady, who was appointed master of the national school of Kitlmegranny , county Clare, having been recommended by the Rev.- Eusta-. thins Finnerty, P. P.—(Deafening peals of laughter.) And as the Protestant minister, Mr. Pleaseall, joined in the appli cation for building the school, and induced a few of the protestant children, whose parents live among us, to come to it—l take equal pains to instruct them. It is on the subject of the Scriptme lessons that I now make bold to address your honourable board; for being, as you truly say, not well quali fied as a "teacher of religion," I am fairly at a nonplus with these' lessons, and I would he infinitely beholding to you if, by return of post, you will let me know who is Boothroyd, for I asked the minister, and he told me that he was a country gen tleman, a sent of a Quaker—(loud laughter)—that died in Eng land last year; and, as I thought that it was very queer to have him set up to teach the meaning of the Bible, that never was baptised, I asked the priest, and he told me he was an Egyptian monk;-(continued laughter)—so I refer it to your honours for information. And would also be thankful for a clear notion of who Bishop Horsley wits, and Kennicott. and Grieshach, as we never heard of them before-in these remote parts (laughter) : and some say they were Protestants, and others say they were old saints; only not called so, like Oiigen, of whom we are not sure whether lie was a real saint or a heretic, though you men tion his opinion about the Pate? Nester. Anti please to tell me also how many manuscripts there are, and who wrote them, and all about them. (Laughter.) As von set inn to teach these things, sure-you are bound to instruct me, for, as you say, lam not qualified. (Continued lanehter.). But it' the truth was known, no mere is the priest or the minister, (a laugh); for 1 asked them both how many manuscripts there were in all, and they looked cross and one said What's that to you?' (loud laughter)—and the ether. said, ' Mind,. your own business : ' .(roars of laughter) —so, Boys,' says I, 'a large proportion of manuscripts reads so and so.' " Your memorialist also prays that your honours will ion him a safe meaning to give of,`justification,' which you bid me explain,' (I should tell you that at the end of every chapter in this, there is a column to be explained by the master), but which is getting me into such scrapes and scoldingi ou all sides. I do not ask for the true meaning, for I know that, but a mean ing that wont give any peculiar religious instruction ' for t hat's what they.blained me for doing iii.the school-hours,.wlien I gave my own explanation of the word.. That;you. may understand niy case; Lwill l a y it befOreiyen,in detail, and relate my griev ances in handling these lessons.. . "I was • teaching ,one day.last month, the first lesson in the New Testainent; and after the boys had read it and closed their books, I began to ask the questions printed at the end of it; and in due _eitirse ; says 1. '.l-Low did the angel address her ? ' (meaning the blessed virgin.) ' Hail! Mary, full of grace,' answers Tim Flanagan. (Loud laughter.) As one peculiarly blessed of God,' says Jack Smith, the water-guard's son, (con tinued laughter,) • amn't I right, and may I go up ?" You are both right,' says I. (Laughter.) ' But which is to go up ?' says they. (Great laughter.) Jack South is more exact,' says I, and accordingly he took nonagon's place. Well, the school was not broke up an hour, when Mrs. Flanagan, she's a carme lite, came to ask me if I had put down her grandson for saying "l'he.angelical salutation.' Ma'am,' says I adhered to the stria letter of the scripture lessons.' Sir,' says she, I'll complain of you to the bishop fur punishing my boy for confess ing the true faith. And you are a renegade and an apostate from your religion for doing what you have done.' The - next week I was teaching with much fear over me, on account of Mrs. Flanagan, (great laughter,) when iu came the minister, and with him came an evangelical gentleman that opposed the school, whom he thought to win over by showing [din how well the children were taught to read the scriptures.. As ill luck would have it, I was hearing the boys the lesson in which you have marked the word 'repent' •to be 'explained.' So taking your note at page 14 to help me, I said. says I, ' repent' means, do penance, and that means a great deal (loud laughter); for example, it means peas in the shoes, (continued laughter,) and a pilgrimage to Lough Dearg, (laughter,) and saying seven hundred Ares and a hundred Pater Nuters, fasting. I saw the minister wriggling as I went on explaining 'repent;' and the evangelical gentleman grinned. And when school was over, the minister in a high rage set upon me, and rated at me for teaching Popery, as he called it, in school-hours. (Loud laughter.) 'Sir,' says I, 'the board put down the word 'to be explained,' and• I believe in no other mewling." I won't leave my. children here,' says he, 'to be corrupted by you, and I'll report you to the board for giving peculiar instruction before the proper hour for it is come." Sir,' says I, it is not pecu liar instruction; I am bound to give an explanation, for the board has marked it for me to explain, and I will do my duty.' May it please your honourable board, I have found it a hard and vexatious thing to •do that same. After Mrs.. Flanagan bleW me up, (great laughter,) I roads a rule that in reading the lessons the children should not take each others' places when • they missed. But it was not long till, as I was hearing them read the nth lesson, 1 asked them, as you directed How must we be justified?' 'By my good works,' says Jetn Flynn. By faith,' says Bob Jones; amn't I right ?" By faith and works,' says Darby - Morris; 'amn't I right?' By faith with out works; amn't l•rights?':says Miles Johnson. '0! you're all right,' says I, morolor. less (convulsions of laughter); but no taking of placesSas I commanded you already. The boys looked at each other, as if they would determine, by a fight out of sehie which was right, since I would not decide it for them. - And I thought to myself, anyhow, it is mighty little knowledge • they'll get out of the lessons, it' I mustn't help them and put them right. However, as that was one of the days set apart for separate religious instruction, when the school was dismissed ' the Protestants went home by themselves, and the catholics re - manned to say their•catochisms, which prevented a fight on that ;.day; and I took the opportunity of telling them that 'justifica tion means sanctification,' and so we are justified by our good works. But five clays after, when they came to the 24th lesson, I-asked them, What aloes the mord paradise' mean ?' Lim bo,' says Phil Scratch. {Great laughter.) Heaven,' says Tom Whack. (Immense laughter.) . What was Ito (ew" ? The buys looked angry, and were waiting fur me to decide who wasgight, when in _came Father Finnerty, and,. without more ado, Phil appealed to: him. : You are - right,' said his rever ence. Tom's eyes flashed lire, and he muttered something be tween his teeth, that came out - afterwards when the school was breaking up. (Great laughter.) For he set upon Phil as he went out of the door, and said, ' You tin manuerly cur, do you mean that the Saviour went to purgatory ?" I do,' says he. There is no such place in the Bible,' says Tom. There is,' says Phil. You lie,' says the angry fellow, paradise is hea ven." It is limbo,' says Phil, and gave him a punch in the ribs. (Laughter.) It is heaven,".says 'l'oin, and hit him a blow iu the eye. (Uncontrollable laughter, that lasted some time.) A ring was now formed by four or five protestants and about fifty catholics, and. the shouts were loud on both sides, one bawling for limbo, and the other for heaven. (Great laugh ter.) And I saw the evangelical gentleman riding by, and he shook his head, as much ,as to say our system of united instruc tion was making fine harmony iu the country. He complained of it, however, to the minister, and se he came up along with him next day; and taxed me with setting the boys fighting. ' Sir,' says I only asked the question which the board bid me ask; and I gave no explanation of My own. You were angry with me the other day for explaining a word; and now you are angry because I can't keep the boys from controversy, and all the controversy was brought in by the board.' But look at the lesson of love and charity that's hanging on the wall,' says he; why did you not enforce it?' Is it with a rattan"?' says I, ant Ito flog them to make them love one another ? and as to the lesson of charity that is hung up, it's a different lesson they hear at home; and one can't expect all at once that they will give up the old plan, and be persuaded that it is not right to punish a heretic for reviling the true faith.' (Hear, hear.) I will not have these scripture lessons read any more iu the school,' says he, they only drag the children into controversy, by the notes and questions they contain.' ''The board earnestly recommend the use of them sir,' says I. And if you do not use the lessons,' says the evangelical gentleman,`you won't have airy scriptures read in the school.' I will take away my children,' says the minister, and send them to the Bible school in the next parish.' This is the state of the case. And i hum bly pray your honourable board to tell me how I am to explain, 'justification,' and Abraham's bosom,' without giving par ticular religious instruction, and without teaching them what I believe myself to be their true meaning. And In duty bound, both night and day, Thady Brady will ever pray." (The conclusion was folloWed by loud laughter and applause.) Now. I beg you not to go away with the notion that I intend to pass this off as a genuine document. 1 do no such thing. It was simply to make you laugh at the education bousrd, as I can assure you I laughed heartily myself. But what is the use of all this in reference to the Liverpool Protestant Association ? Sir, it has everything to do with it. This systemic of education is an undermines of Protestantism. It was imported into Li 'Verpool as a feeler—and it has been felt: (Much applause.) Was it imported into Liverpool ? The resolutions passed in the Council of the Corporation of Liverpool last July were, "That. the schools shall open at nine o'clock each morning, and commence by the children singing a hymn from the selec tions of the commissioners of national education in Ireland, and by:the masters reading a portion of the scriptures from the same selections." 2. " That one hour of each day be devoted to the religious instruction of those children whose parents do not object; and that such hour be in the afternoon, after the school has closed. That the school shall be considered as closed at three o'clock in the winter, and at four o'clock in summer. That instruction be 'given on Thursday afternoon as on other days, and that Satur day afternoon he considered a holyday." 3." That the clergy of the different denominations be solicited tb attend for these purposes, and that every practicable accom- Modatien be afforded them." • 6. "That the books of the commissioners of education in Ire land ho adopted; and that they have afair trial previous to the int reduction of any other." You recollect that the Irish system was constructed in order to get rid of the vital defect in the Kildare-place system, which was the reading of the Scriptures in school hours. The Irish system therefore excluded the reading of the Scriptures, otherwise the defect was nut got rid of. (Loud cheering.) Did the new Irish systeth exclude the readingof the Scriptures by the children ? Assuredly it did. Did the Liverpool Town Council admit the Irish system ? Assuredly it did. Did the Liverpool Town Council exclude the Bible from the schools ? Assuredly it did.—(Cries " Yes, yes.") But I have here three gentlemen who say " No." I read from 'me) of our d's is the publ;c meeting was " t Theeem "es teemed" c p T y o o r i t a e s t held yesterday ()canine at the Tine 'Tavern, Pitt-street, at which . Mr. Rathbone, Mr. Walmsley, Blackburn, and several others of the corporation "school committee attended, for the purpose (9 , ansitr.rithyrelatiue to the tory Slander which asserts thatthe'Rible ji-orn these schools. Mr. Rathbun° said,' not 3,l4'igry . v•ei;ir.:selections from the Bible mode, but the whole Bibleieas used , Mr. Blackburn said, the Bible was daily read in thOWiicheels. That it. was net, was but an assertion, and need be only . (mit by a direet negative.. Mr. Walmsley,' who was idly celled for, said that the Bible, tinmutilated,' was part ~, (!f. the dually . r4)itine u yVie Schools." Now see the preen! e' see the conclusion: The premises, them 'lrish specie it!ldedßoiilleclisheitocilu:idy4e(tir-pl:6l;ottehreyo, Irishtti Bible sYstelu i: not excluded from the Pythagoreans were the :Liverpool scluielss—(Loud cheers.) Two affirmative pre and the logical spirit of Aristotle miSee' s bringing negative conclusion !H-(Loud cheers.) the Liverpool - '['own-hall. (Ap iOnlitil'ei'r)gigieliti.maAns'swedblyietL A d s o s e u t r r e i ' m l ie ly of rho - transmigration of souls wds time ftha= won ire :o: P ' ' s r u l: r i m i l 69 • ll ng t e e e e a " r a' s:• f :e tY i intoasi tipsng 1 pert' sneers ofth o subject; flippantly sir a i nd wi f c r l' e i e t l o y ' say a few poured ,fOO .against is, the clergy of Liverpool, since the alludedto; on accourit manifested una nimity in this our manifestest difference of opinion another subjectswhiCh has lately agitated' the town. When the oratorio was the subject, some approved of it, and o th e rsdisapproved,of it, and said so • and of the latter class I was one, and said'sb; - Some said nothing Ada it ; and what clees that prove ? Why it proves that we are freemen, and hareliberty to speak, according to our consciences, all that we profess proves that we are not Romish slaves, who dare not - itieok but permisssone superiorum. We do differ, and will continue to differ, on all subjects not of vital importance. But, sir, when the Bible was touched, we then stood as one man, with one hand and heart, anti with but ono circulation of life, manifesting but. one pulse- e (loud cheering). And what does this'prove'? It proves that our union was the simultaneous and spontaneous movement of free minds,—a union worth hOving. . It proves what Protestantism is. - Protestantism is unity mit fundattientals, without uniformity in eircumstantials.--(Cries of " Bravo," and great cheering.) This is our answer to the carping cavillers who thitik to divide us by sneering at our difference of opinion. —(Cheers.) 'We do divide and will divide on every matter where we honestly differ in opinion ; but touch the Bible, and we will not divide.—(Loud cries of " Bravo.") Now, sir, if I do not intrude too much upon your time and upon the time of this assembly—(no, no)—I have one charge more to advance against the church of Rome.—(Loud cries of " Go on.") We charge the Church of Rome withidetermined oppo sition, not only against scriptural reading, but to the very vitals of scripture truth. This seems at first to be a vague charge, .but I shall not treat it vaguely. I turn now in this liook—it is the eighth volume of Dens—to the famous bull Unigenitus, the authority of which is proved by the statements I haye already made. It is put forth by the Pope ; it is not dissented from by the Bishops. and' it consequently becomes the rule of the Church,- and is binding on all Catholics. In this bull, which is levelled against a certain bOok, containing an exposition of the humanity of our Saviour, there is an enumera tion of 101 propositions, quoted by Quesnell and condensed; and concerning these propositions there is this declaration at the end :—" All and every the pre-inserted propositions we condemn and reprobate"—(demnamas et reprobamus) —as false, scandalous. impious, hateful to pious ears, frequently con demned—(plurieS d am n a ta, &c.) And we command all the faithful of all sexes not to presume to think, to teach, "1:. to preach of the above propositions otherwise than as contained in this our constitution." What are these proposition s s e lea short condemned ? One of them is this—and happily s re ading one—" Lectio sacrcc scriptures est pro omnibus.' n ybamus," of the holy scriptures is for all." " Daninanius et says the Church - of Rome. "We condemn and saying as captious, false, profane, and which "e sri t A n ether proposition est pro omnibus is offensive to pious ears . ! _ demned as offensive to pious ears." The teeth" sacra' pte f God is no reason is—" the obscurity of the sacred word ought t p e t i Lm abtee emu'th na "We condemn and' reprobate this saying'Yo.d. Church of Rome. This is a saying that you h"e l . ron say sa ' ,Y, h 't eread „,hme obscurity for any. men to dispense with the rea, , :ti s n a e ‘ s ,i of th e the same." ing of the holy scriptures is for all." i l s to n in o e re sa as y ( s n — " "; h D y a ‘ m ve na ' church of and this, mark, is binding on every catholic. Another of these statements is, "that the grace of Jesus Christ is the efficacious principle of every good—of every act—is neressitsy for every good work— " I love, I delight in that truth ;" and and without it no work can be gbod that is done." This is one of the' glorious statements of the grace of God, concerning which w hi c h, ti.:e Church of Rome says, every christian says concerning" Dam namus et n h i o u u s h l e t n roctprreoillitillise sir, to be grave. This prophecy, so provokinsslv.true,:contains a statement provkingty false against the .Rev. Mr. 'Sullivan. Neither on any former occasion, nor on this day, has he. uttered . any false charge against the Church of Rutile,—neither. has he uttered one syllable, which, in the mind of any impartial man, contains a vestige of personality. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) If so, where are the proofs ? It is easy to cr,y . out " Misrepresentation !" "Calumny !" with all their other adjuncts: but, let the who are the misrepresenters of the Church of Rome? Who are the calumniators? Who is the man that advances false charges.aga.inSt that Church? Mr. Chairman, suppose the Archbishop of Canterbury had an object to Obtain with some Socitian community, and that he perceived that, in order to obtain his. object, that Socinian community must be made to think well of his church and himself. And suppose him going to them and saying, " I do entreat you not to hearken to the bigotted misrepresentations of interested in dividuals, who represent my church as now maintaining the mysterious dogmas of the Trinity and the incarnation—it is true. she did hold these things in a former age ;---(Hear, hear, and laud continued cheers;)—but she has become more en lightened by associating with you liberal gentlemen, and dues not hold those doctrines now. Nothing but the veriest deter mination to calumniate can persevere in ascribing to her those dark and mysterious dogmas." This would sound well—it might throw dust in many eyes. But suppose a Socinian to stand up who bad the liberty of examining fur himself, and say, "Year Grace, may . I take the liberty to inquire, have you not signed the thirty-nume articles? -Are not the doctrines in ques tion there ? 0, your Grace, your Grace ! You have two ob jects in view : one amongst your own people by signing the ar ticles ; the other amongst us by denying' the doctrines you have sworn to: 0, your Grace, the Church of England does hold these doctrines. Your Grade must stand or fall by them. And yet you come to dvy them. But you are detected: your • church,is still barbarous, and yourselves- 7 we Socinians are too polite to say What you are. - (Laughter and cheers.) Who is the man, then, that misrepresents the . Church of Rome ? Is it the Bev. Mortimer O'Sullivan or the most di,ev..Dr. Mur ry v.—(Cheers.) lie is the misrepresenter of Popery, because he is the denier of her established formulariei. I shall have occasion to advert, .and I shall do it as briefly as possible, ,to a few Of those formularies, in order to fasten more satisfactorily. the charge upon the church of Remo, whose doctrines and their . ; practical operatien in: these days, has called our Pro-. .testaut AssociatiOn into existeoce.—(Hear, hear! and cheers.) You have beard, 'sir, aud tail whole assembly have heard, .where the accredited formularies of the church of atoine.are to 'be found The creed of Pope Pius IV. has 'been again and again alluded to: it 'has been set forth; not merely by Pro testant mi.srepresenters, as lye are calumniouslY and falsely called, but by Roman Catholics themselves,: as the must "authentic summary of their ftirmularies. Dr. Milner, the 'author of, the celebrated book called " The End of Contro yersy," says the creed of Pius IV. is every where received :and professed, as the 'groundwork 'of Catholicism; and Doctor Doyle, when examined before a committee of the House of Lords, said, The most approved and authentic summary of the creed of . the Church of Rome will be found in the decrees oftne!Chuncit of Trent, sod iu the, profession of faith by Pius IV.. and in what we call the Runtish catechism of the Council of Trerit."''",Similar was the answer of . Doetor . Murray to tlist.Cornmissioners of the. House of Commons.—(Hear.) You : observe 11,11 V that the creed of Pius the 4th is here referred to by th'eniselves. You have heSid one passage of that creed already read by r. - O'Sullivaii. I will not read the whole, but just refer to it .to set it again before your minds Like wise all other thiugs deliVered, defined, and declared by the sa .cred eanoni and the general council 3, and particularly . by the sacred Council of, Trent, I. unhesitatingly. receive and profess." This occurs in the forth of the oath taken by every Roman Ca tholic clergynian on his induction to a benefice. It binds him tad' that is contained in the councils, espeCially.that of Trent. The Council of Trent, at its 25th 'session, declares concerning the 4th COuneil of Lateran, held under Innocent the 3d, that it was a poneratcouncil, and in the 24th session, of the same coun cil, it is declared to be a sacred council. The Council of Late ran declares, that "secular princes shall, if necessary, be com pelled, if they .desire to be accounted faithful, that for the defence. of the faith they shall publicly make oath that they will endeavour,- bona fide, with all their might, to ex tirpate (ruin their kingdoms all heretics marked by the .church. And the object of it is stated at the end of the next paragraph : —" That the heretics being exterminated, good ca tholics shall, without contradiction, posiess the land, and pre serve it in the purity of the faith." (Hear, hear.) Sir, I al ways feel, whether in speaking myself on these subjects, or ob serving the effect of other persons in speaking, that the neces sary detail in order to gather elements for our conclusion, becomes sismewhat heavy and. tiresome to the listeners. But without some patience and attention you cannot get at anything really worth carrying away. I shall endeavour to relieve you presently by a different species of address, but at present I must crave your attention. The creed of Pius IV. contains this 'statement, in the oath administered to the priests,—that they "untsesitating,ly profess and receive'ail that is contained in their general councils, especially the Council of Trent." Turn to Trent--Trent turns them back to another, which it calls gene ral and sacred. Turn to the other, and it binds them to the persecution unto extermination of heretics.--(Hear.) So that the oath of . the priests binds them to the creed of Pope Pius IV,—Pius IV. binds them to Trent,—Trent binds them to La teran,—and Lateran binds them to the extermination of heretics. —(Applause.l .This is the line of argument. There is.another source from which a similar conclusion may be deduced. The canon law of the Church of Rome is another of her authentic documents, with. the contents of which she is justly chargeable. Its definition has been given by Dr. Murray, in an.exatnination before a select committee of the House of Commons, on the 17th May, 1825. From this we learn, that when a decree comes forth from the Pope, concerning matters of doctrine, if not dissented from by a majority of the bishops of the church dispersed, it by their silence assumes the aspect of the opinion of the church,. which is infallible, and thereupon becomes binding on every catholic. : Here is the eighth volume of Dens. It contains de crees from Popes, put forth in the very manner specified in the question and : answer embodied in the„exanaination of Dr. Mur ray. It contains decrees not dissented from—decrees now by Dr. Murray's ownlastletter assented to. Therefore these hulls of the Pope's being put forth as a challenge to the bishops of the church dispersed, to ascertain whether they believe in and accede to the doctrines contained in those bulls, and having passed muster,—that is, the dispersed bishops not having dis sented from them, nay, rather having actually assented to them, —become the rule of the Roman Catholic Church, and in the language of Dr. Murray, every catholic is bound to submit to them. I will read a. passasie from one of them. It occurs at page. 176 of thO eighth :Volume of Deus, under the head 0 Restitutio "Real property taken by an enemy in an unjust war, suppose by pirates, infidels, heretics, &c., even if it be bought by the e,nantur a fidelibuo;—ought s nevertheless, to be restored to its proper owner, no price being ; exacted for the same, which decree was formally made by the congregation'for propagating the, faith, in the year 1630,.wh05e-opinion - Benedict Xiy, admits in his Epistle to P. Nicolaus Lercari. the secretary of the same - congregation. (Bullariuin, tom. No. 57.) But as to chattel property, the saute congregation thought that it should be restored by the purchasers - to its lawful owner, the price for• which it was bought being, however, exacted from him. In, this; however, Benedict XIV. does not pronounce his judg ment." This decree was formally made by the congregation for pro pagating the faith in 1630. Here is a decree from the Pope respecting the restitution of forfeited property. It is put forth to the dispersed bishops. They do nut dissent;—it becomes a condition of the churchthe infallible rule to which every Ca tholic is bound to submit. (Hear, hear.) This is, in the book chosen for the teaching of the Catholic .priests. There is for feited property in Ireland now, and every one is bound 'to submit the very. moment that outward circumstances will allow to the restitution of that property to in original owner,—yea, though such may,'in the mean time, have been purchased - by the faith ful. (Hear, and cheers.) The defence made against the charge here brought against the Church of Rome before the House of Commons was--" It is impossible we can contemplate the resti tution..of property in Irelaud." Why? "Because a large proportion of the forfeited property has been bought by Catho lics. '• The reason Sufficed to blind the committees. it con vinced some . of ,our senators. Mr. Brownlow gave ,it as his reason for changing his opinion respecting what was called Catholic emancipation. Yet the case thus put forth as the satis fying circumstance is one of the very cases supposed in the de cree and provided for: "Si emantur a fidelibns. 'Though it be, tiought by the faithful it must be restored. (Cheers.) But_ the most Reverend DoctOr Murray and others 'have sworn to the contrary. here is the declaration made on oath of the arch bishops and 'bishops of the Church of Ireland to the late Lord Liverpool: • • • . , . ",The Catholics of Ireland, far from claiming any. right or title to ferfeitedlands resulting from any right, title, or interest Which their ancestors may have had therein, declare upon oath, that they will defend to the utmost ortheir . power,,the settle- Ment and arrangement of property in this country as established by the laws now in being. They also,disclaim, disavow, and Solemnly 'abjure any. intention to subvert the present church establishmeot for the purpose of substituting a Catholic estab lishnient in its stead.. And, further, they swear they will not ex erc i se an privilege to which they are or -may be entitled, to disturb and weakau the Protestant religion and, Protestant government in Ireland." Now, observe this,—the Pope .puts forth. a decree that real property taken .by - enemies is to be restored. This goes forth to the bishops of the church disperied. They do not object to it, — it becomes the law of the church infallible,- and every Catholic is bound to submit to it, Dr. Murray and his coadjutors, the archbishops and bishops of -Ireland, are asked by England's Prime Minister, what their opinions and determinations are respecting forfeited property. They know theAPope sent this —they know they did not object to it—they know (not object ing to it) it has become the infallible rule of the church—and every Catholic it bound to submit to it. And what do they say ? "So far from aCkuowledging any right or title to. forfeited lands, We declare upon! oath that we will defend, to the utmost of our power, the 'present arrangement." Who then is the.misrepre senter of the church of. Rome—who is the calumniator ? it is quite dbvious that it would not have anarvered-ahe purposes, of the church of Rome honestly to have acknowledged the priu ciples contained in this and similar books whichare the iufallible rules of their church. It is obvious that.such an acknowledg ment would have created so - great - a majority against them in this country as to have rendered utterly hopeless any idea of their regaining their political ascendancy. What then was to be done? ,Flow were these documents to be. maintained in un disputed power over the Roman Catholic minds and at the Kline time te.be concealed from the impertinent and premature curi osity of Protestants ? Here was a problem to be solved. We may imagine some such debate going on as this, "One way to accomplish our object will be to secure .that these documents shall not be translated into the vulgar tongue ;—keep them io Latin, that is the first thing : well, but some Protestants know Latin. (A laugh.) Aye, we are sorry for it, but we must check the circulation of the Latin books as much as we can. And what more must we do? Oh! we bishops must swear that we do not agree.to the doctrines. Most people in England will be lieve us; many of them know nothing about the matter, and, the few who do, will nutbe believed against the solemn oath of the archbishops and, bishops. We will raise the cry of ' r,o bigotry, —no calumny;'—this will fall in with the liberal temper of the people•d d shall find no difficulty in raising a of England ami we cry of 'no bigotry.' Whilst our opponents will have to stein the whole tide of popular opinion. But ,those few inconvenient Piotestants who know Latin, and will read, will attempt to raise against us that of no popery.' But see, they will have the whole tide of public opinion against them for a while—l ,hope not al ways. (Cheers.) They will not be able to raise that cry of 'no `no the bigotry.' )igotry.' i nation be - f the a y o a n bn and e v' v . shall be ill .be a w b l e e beaten; a cry of if I lieve us for a while, we shall gain such p ower that we will pre sently let them all see- Dens—we w ill not be afraid of them." e them ; Thii is precisely the position of the conflict at the present mo ment. The - nation . has believed them —it has believed practi cally. It has acted upon its charitable belief, and if it should persevere as it is now doing, they will soon have gained the van tage ground they aim at. (Cheers.) If the nation.continaes to call us bigots—if it continues to brand the Rev. Robert M‘Ghee and the Rev. Mortimer O'Sullivan as calumniators, and to.receive with all cordiality, like Mr. Janice, cf Hereford, —(a laugh)—the statements of the most Rev. Dr. Murray, th, n. beyond a iloubt,, England will fall again under ,papal t s ranny. onsof -, • never !".) fall will fall w ith warnino ringing :. And if she -up and warning,again, and to Tepel the approaches in her. eat JLotid cheers.) Prot es t ant. As soc i at i ons a re rising - her to raise the ri g ht t one o f geno i ne christianity in the landof that abominable jesuitical - reprobamtts"—" We condemn and reprobate" that saying, Another statement is—" the difference between the Jewish and the Christian covenant is, that, in the Jewish covenant, Get requires avoidance of sin, and a fulfilment of his law by a sin ner, leaving him dependent on his own works; but in the other, God gives to the sinner that he condemns purification by hi,, grace." Here again is what we .delight in; and concerning this the Church of Rome says, " Dainnamus et reprobauaus." . . Oh! sir, this is the gravameis of the charges, after all, which I bring against the Church of Rome, and those charges are sup ported by the truths of Crod's word, those truths, the propagation of which, by God's grace have, and will be the means of solve-, Lion to sinful men. (Hear, hear, and cheering.) And against this—against the grace of God—against the word of God, the Church of Rome erects herself in a condemning attitude. Against all that Gad has sent for bringing sinners to glory, she pronounces an anathema,—she introduces a barrier between the goodness of God and-the dependence of man. She has snatched the sweetness that hung on the lips of our adorable Saviour, and has given to her votaries instead thereof a poison. We may well congregate uuaselves tog ether its protestant associations, not for the hatred, but for the love that we bear to our fellow men, for the desire that the grace of God should be felt—that they may learn and know what Jesus did far us—that they may learn and know that the blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin—that they may hear the delightful saying, that " through this man is preached to them the forgiveness of sin." and that " all who believe in him are justified in all things from which they could not be justified by the law of Moses,"—that they may learn that Jesus Christ is " the end of the law for right eousness to every onealiat believeth"—that believing, and being justified by faith, they may " have peace with God," and find themselves within that holy embrace where sanctification is ins- Isibed—that they may find themselves on a foundation pure and holy, where the sinner is invited to stand as a sinner, that, standing there, he may be embraced as a saint. It is that they may know his glorious gospel—it is that they may win their way through all by faith into an atmosphere of holiness—to find their hearts elevated—desire to glorify God, and look forwards to the scene beyond the grave. It is this that sweetens all the calamities of life—relieves all its difficulties—and sweetly soothes all its fears;—which triumphantly overcomes the fears of death, by the "love of God shed abroad in their hearts through the Holy Ghost given unto them." It is that the love of God may be shed abroad in the hearts of every one in t reland, as well as in England, that we thus toil, that we may have the satisfaction of glorying in the salvation of our sinful fellow-creatures. (Cheers.) Oh, sir. the Church of Home draws sinners from this happy consolation. She interposes between God and the sinner certain conditions which draw hint back from the enjoy- Ment of the happiness purchased by the blood of the Lamb. This unnatural stepmother keeps him back, and after death purgatory must free him and fit him for eternity. (Hear.) But there is a consolation when I look around inn, and see that the councils of Ahithophel were turned into foolishness, for in ►he recent attempts to 'import into Great Britain mutilated port ions of the word of God, the perpetrators I will call them of that deed, in endeavouring to do so have removed from the great building of our constitution a stone that will grind their schemes to powder. (Hear.) I, sir, however, have in my mind's eye what will-effectually counteract this novel importation of scraps of God's holy word. I wish that it may be heard quietly—that it may he received determinately, and acted upon perseveringly. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) I wish—you wish it to lie g►eeted its your forefathers would greet it. 1 will mention it in two words, and I know you will receive it as Englishmen ought to receive it. I mean the cry of "no popery." (Cheers which lasted for some time.) Union is indispensably necessary for this purpose. Perseverance is indispensably necessary. Decision is indis pensable. It is nut only necessary in order to carry that cry into effect, that it should be well received in a public meeting. God works by means. It is our privilege to be intelligibly in structed in the nature of those means—and we are accountable to God for their employment. It you will revive that cry with effect let each begin it at home—let every christian mother be gin it in her nursery—let every christian schoolmaster begin it in his school, pointing out, not the opposition of man against man, but the opposition of the creed of Pius the-4th, with all its adjuncts, against the Word of God, and rearing the young man with a reference to the Bible enthroned upon every faculty of the moral and spiritual being of the child. (Cheers.) You must not in this matter look for assistance from government. I do not speak politically, but no acts of Parliament can achieve what I now desire, no act of men or ministers can do what we want to be done. It is not to be done by Whigs. It is not to ' be done by tories. But it is to be done by readers and lovers of the Word of God. The middle classes of this nation have been practically addressed by the legislature, and political power has been placed in the hands of the community at large. I do not allude to this politically, neitherdo I express my opinion upon late political measures; but in the existing state of the country, I have no hesitation in saving to you who are now as senabled here, that if you do not exert yourselves you will have the Scriptures torn from the hands of your children by a people who jesuitically profess to universal charity. If, then, you de clare that you will not have the Bible wrested from your hands, you must lie determined to have a government of men who will make the Bible the basis of all goveinment, for what is scrip turally wrong can never be politically right. We would be liberal, and give to all protection to property, and freedom of opinion; but perish England, rather than the Bible should perish out of England. (Cheers.) lie begged to remind the audience that they would have an opportunity of giving a prac tical proof of their attachment to the principles they were that day met to advocate, by contributing at the doors to a collection that would be made on behalf of the schools which had been established since the Corporation Schools had been deprived of the Bible. The rev. speaker then said, he would take the liberty of reading to them a passage from a speech delivered by him some time ago in Scotland, and which contained his deliberate sentiments, and much better expressed than he could express them,•then, in his exhausted state. [The rev. gent. then read a portion of a speech which appeared in the Liverpool Standard a few weeks since.] I cannot conclude without congratulating this meeting and the whole town, upon the gratifyin g fact that the resolution of our town council, adopting the Irish system of education in their schools, and thereby excluding the Bible, h been practically rescinded. If it be not rescinded, the BiMe is still excluded; but upon the combined and unanswerable testi mony of Mr. Rathbone, Mr. Blackburn, and Mr. Walmsley, I proclaim the cheering intelligence that the Bible is not, ex cluded, and, consequently, the resolution of July is practically rescinded! 1 have much pleasure in moving that the following gentlemen be requested to act as the committee of our associa tion for the ensuing year. The rev. gentleman read the names of the committee, and sat down amidst tumultuous and pro tracted cheering. The Rev. FRRDERIcK BAUKER then came forward. He said, he would not detain them any time by pointing out what he had intended, had sufficient space been given, but he would just take the liberty of reminding them that there was a Protestant Association established, and that it' its funds were increased its objects could be extended ; and these objects were, the di ff usion of information amongst t heir Protestant and Catholic fellow townsmen for the propogation of truth, and to destroy error. The rules of the association had been originally for this end ; and he would call the attention of the labouring classes in par ticular, (many of whom he was glad to see around,) and of all classes professing the christian faith, that those who subscribed 5s annually, or gave a donation of one guinea at any one time, could become a member of this association ; and all persons of the poorer classes who might subscribe to the sub-collectors going round, 1(1 per week for one year, should also be members of the assocation. An annual subscription from a tradesman of ss, constituted a member of the society; or, one penny a-week paid to. any of the collectors constituted a member of the asso ciation. '1 be reason why they should thus combine had been so very ably stated, that he felt it might be impertinent to at tempt to offer any additions. But he would just remind them that they had frequently been taught by one whose conduct had been marked more by the success which had attended his pro gress, than the upholding of any true principles, " that nothing could be done without nutty of action." These were the words of the great agitator O'Connell in prosecuting the work which he had so fearfully begun, when addressing one of his co-adju tors, "that nothing could be dorm without unity of action."— He therefore called on them to unite with them inn securing the truth which they had received, and preserving it for .themsel ves and their children. And it should be borne in mind, that it was not a matter in which the clergy were alone concerned; they were helping the laity to maintain their own rights,—they were helping their poor brethren to haVe their children educat ed according to the truths of God, and they were helping those who had great rights to secure to maintain those rights, and hand them down as they had received them from their fore fathers. This could only be done by unity. And if it -was a tone when "rogues were combined," it surely was a time when " honest men should be acting in unity." (Cheers.) In order to do this, they must have one common business of action, and that common business was the word of God. ( hear.) Setting out on this, they found it as necessary to maintain the truths God, as the government of any country. They found what was to be done evil, must be practised against ; evil must be kept' under. When they found it was according to the principles of any body of men to slight some of the first, the holiest pre cepts of God's truth,••(and they brought this charge against the Roman Catholics.)—they not only protested against the evil of their being permitted to dictate as to the mode of their (the Protestants) operations, either political or social, but they must take such measures as would prevent them doing this. When they found that a large body of individuals who were sworn to observe that the law as regarded property and the church, shouli‘ be upheld as appointed, though in this oath which they too there was no exemption of ecclesiastical property, (lid yet.vleo; late this oath ; it was high time for them to lift up Owl . v , )e cie against such a procedure. Ile would ask them to look to , t oaths that the Romau Catholic members of the House of Goin • ire solemnly mons took before they became legislators. They sw, to the utmost of their power to support and uphol" the settle ment of property in these realms—the Protesta ntCnhaunrych„aanyd, government—and never by word or deed attempt , to weaken the Protestant faith as established t .se ,reedprep without any ( Hear.) This, too, they swore, and declare.l they wer° The oath which the to do in the plain and ordinary sense of the orris, mental reservation whatever. (li ver , hear.) Catholic members of Parliament hav e to ta ke was in these words • When they contrasted with the language ( fthis oath con duct of many members of parliament of this d a y — their conduct both in the house and out of the h ous e—he would say th a t i t ina nity to awaken to a se nse o f was time for the protestant com , A ~t han d endeavourin g to their danger, and join heart , p a p' t e i of • h 1111 C evil principles as counteract and obviate th e these. (Cheers.) fi t r h o resolution to the rinp.a; The CHAIRMAN then p-- audit ted. was unanimously adop The Rev. Mr. 1 r:ATTfi llSti ALL said, understanding the last assed, and also b e i n • re solution to have been p „o Informed that it was the last resolution which was to be submitted to the present meeting, he had ta ken the liberty of coming forward under cir ces sei newhat different .froth those in which Isis rev. eu ulst brethrenan had co me forward before him on the present occasion. The rev. gentlemen who hail spoken had each been followed on der, but he hoped the by one sec resolution he was about to I I not require to propose wou ld have one seconder, but would have several thousands. The resolution he had to propose was, That the cordial thanks of this meeti • ng be given to C. S. Parker, Esq., fur having taken the chair and presided on this occasion." He should not wait for any seconder , but should look for that expression on the part ofthe • occasion called for. ('This announcement was received with great cheering.) The Cri 111 t MAK then stepped forwards. He said, for this unexpected mark of their kindness , begged leave to retorts them his most sincere and cordial thanks. lie thanked them fur the indulgence which they had given him, and which, during a meeting seldom equalled in Liverpool in point of numbers and unequalled in point of dura tion, by their exemplary patience, had rendered his office almost a sinecure. He had only one request to make—that this meet ing, which had commenced with prayer, would most appropri ately conclude with praise, which he hoped would be the case. " Praise God from whom all blessings flow" was then sung, the whole assemblage joining in the h - ymn. The effect of the united voices of such an immense concourse was peculiarly solemn and impressive. The assembly then quietly dispersed at about half-past fo ur o'clock, the meeting having lasted five hours and m The collection made at the doors amo u n ted to ££ll:3 9s. 4d. THE MONEY MARKET.—RAFFLE EXTRAORDINAItY.7SUCII i is the estimation in which th e Kin g 's picture, set n gold, is held at Bury, that the other night a sovereign was put up and actually raffled for at 225.. The winner and owner spending each halt a-crown. If this is disputed, inquire " lialph•o'-Dukes," King's Head, King•strect, Bury. TOWN-COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS, .. On Wednesday the neW Town Council held itt dritititiartelif 't meeting. . Mr. W. WAt.i.scu CURBIB, the late Maybi, said his labour[ -\ 1, that morning, as they were aware, were very light.. He took ;,--:.:, the chair merely to give them an opportunity of appointing lAA , - ... successor; and he had no doubt, on whomever that choice -. might fall, he wduld be interested solely by the desire of pro , • (f1 ) 1 motino• the welfare of the town. Mr. r. Councillor. ItATHBONE begged to prOpese Mr. Willard ' 1 1 .1 ), Earle, junior, as a fit and proper man to fill the office', ot ~ '" ~i Mayor. In so doing, he thought the reform council could r'' l " .4 .- a,*.. better repay the obligations which they owed to him for. --- exertions in the cause of reform. . _ . .. Mr; Councillor JOHN Hoodto begged to second the prolioL Mr. CURRIE haring put the question To the Council, Mi'. Earle was unanimously elected. Mr. Currie then resigned hit seat to the newly elected Mayor. The MAYOR then said—" If ever I spoke the truth I do td now, when I say that I never was ambitious of a seat in this chair, considering the corrupt means which wore formerly taken to attain it. I never could then attach any honour to thi situation ; and it is only surprising that so many individuals should be foolish enough to spend vast sums in obtaining it, especially when it was known that it was next to impossible to sere* a single shilling out of their poi•kets, except it *ere in the gratification of their own selfish vanity, though at the same time the gold was absolutely growing mouldy in their coffers. A fundamental chance has since taken place. It would ill become me to think lightly of the honour you have done me this day, seeing so many around me so much better able to fill this chair. It is nn honour I had no right to aspire to, to preside over a council of so enlightened and respectable body of my fellow townsmen ; a body, too, chosen by the people at large,—it is an honour I never could have aspired to: I ant well aware that I am indebted to your opinion of my feeble advocacy of the cause of reform fur the position which I now occupy, when I was not supported by friends as I now am but when it was endeavoured to strangle at its birth every measure which had for its object the advantage of this great commercial community. Last year the same feeling induced you to elect my excellent, old, and worthy friend, our late ex. , cellent chief magistrate. In him you found many, if not all the qualifications necessary to fill this situation with satisfac , tion to the town at large—(hear), I am sure you must be aware—if not, I am—that Ido not possess those qualifications. However this deficiency on my part enhances the compliment on yours, and I can only say I am well aware in ,my presiding here when my predecessor will be fresh in your recollection, it must naturally make me suffer by the comparison. I shall, however, endeavour to discharge my duties faithfully and to - the the best of my ability —(Hear.) It only remains for me td thank you; and I only regret that I cantlat call any language sufficiently strong to express all I feel on the occasion.— (Cheers.) • The Towrr-cLartic then said, the first business trio Mayor would have to perform would be to fix the days on which should he held the three quarterly councils. They were gene rally held in the months of February, Alay, and August, for the coining year, in addition to the one appointed by Act of P a r- liamunt. The course adopted on a former occasion -was that. they should be held on the first Wednesday in the months ot February; May, and August, and at the hour of eleven o'clock, The Mpr OR then Vet the question if the council would fix • the first Wednesday of these months for the meeting of the quarterly councils at II o'clock, which was agreed to. SWYARING IN MB MAYOR. The TOWN-CtilliK, after reading the standing orders of the council, proceeded,to administer the declaration to the Mayor on accepting office required by law, which was attested by Mr_ Alderman Brown, as senior alder►nan, and by Mr. Currie as late Mayor. The standing orders were then reconfirmed. DOCK COMMITTEE. The proceedings of the Dock Committee of the Bth geptetiV ber, 1836, were then read. The report stated l that Alderman Benn had been elected Deputy Chairman, and also recommend= ed the appointment of a Solicitor to the Dock Trustees, to take place at their next meeting. Mr. Alderman LEA Ttiom said, not having been present when the honour was conferred upon him, two days ago, of appoint ing him Chairman of the Dock Committee, he begged to rep turn them his thanks fbr the honour, increased as it was by the auspices under vi hich the Committee was now assembled. It would be his endeavour to promote the interest of the Dock es , tate, and of the town at large. (Cheers.) The report was then approved. THE APPOINTMENT OF INSPECTOR OP COACIIPS. The TOWN CLERK read a letter signed by the late Mayor ; appointing John Martindale to be inspector of coaches. Mr. CURRIE explained that, the appointment was made in, conformity with the provisions of a by-law which vested that appointment in the Mayor for the time being, and he had ap.: pointed the person whose name had first been introduced into the by-law, for that office. CORPORATE OFFICERS. The Towx CLERK then read over the names of the corporate officers requiring annually to be elected, which were submitted to the approval of the Council, and their appointments con , firmed. CORPORATE CHEST. The TowN CLEnx said it was customary to pass a resolution to the effect that, the keys of the corporation chest be givett into the hands of the Mayor, the Treasurer, and the Town clerk, for the year ensuing. Confirmed. WATCH COMMITTEE. The TOWN CLERK then read a notice of a motion by Mr. Alderman Robinson, for the appointment of a Watch Commits Mr. Alderman RostNsoiv then rose, in pursuance of his no- , tire, to move the appointment of this Commitee. It was one of the most important Committees they had to appoint, inasmuch as on the wise and judicious administration of the police under its management, the peace and security of the town depended. He held in his hand a list of gentlemen, thought advisable to be elected on this Committee, which he should read over, and after wards take the sense of the Council upon it. Before, however, he read this list, they would allow him to say a few words ott the subject of the late Watch Committee of the toWni—thaf much calumniated body. (Hear.) Their exertions had, in the first place, been directed to the forming of a complete pco , lice. In this object they had been eminently successful; and, he might safely assert, that considerable diminution of crime had been the consequence. He would ask•any unprejudiced person to compare the state of the streets in this towu with what they wero in any former year. Liviog as he did in Everton. his attention had been directed to the line of streets leading to that part of the town. Formerly, in Dale-street, drunken fights,—not only with men, but, he was sorry to say, with we.. men also, were of daily, almost hourly occurrence. If any one wished to put a stop to them, the only chance of getting the policemen to interfere, was, to go to the Town-hall, then you might, or might not probably meet with a policeman. They never saw a policeman in the streets, excepting when, once a= year, they were seen, with great regularity, parading previously to the licensing sessions up and down the town, levying what was in Scotland termed "black mail" upon the unfortunate pub , limns. When the Committee were first appointed, an idea was entertained that it should consist of sixteen members, one for each of the wards. In the course of the discussion on the lip- , pointment, the council thought fit to alter that. regulation, and increased the number to tweet -four. Several gentlemen on the late committee were of opiniim that the committee was too large ; and others were of a contrary opinion—among these ha' was one; fur in practice it had not been found too large, for thei duties of the committee were exceedingly heavy. In the first place a sub-committee was formed for the clothing department. In the second place, a sub-committee fur the cleansing and scavenging department. And, thirdly, a still more numerous sub-committee for the lighting department. Independently of that, there were eight daily committees—one of which coin- , mittees sat every day in the week to superintend the police force. and each gentleman was on permanent duty one week in emery eight weeks. When they considered that every gentleman iii that committee had his private affairs to attend to, OneTllewe in eight was as mochas he could conveniently affo rd tend the work. imme diate duty of this daily commi;tee was, ing of the police force. They sat every r " s three ad o cluck— inspected the reports handed in by the inspectors superin tendents,,i,reatnceal'ecatinndgatten- embodying charges of i e rt;et, vith their beat by the police, &c., and attended tbatr: very r authority,'` to ittphaar,tt, tion to the complaints against t bpolicee ex m pe a c t t le ed by bu t t h t e ha it t ih o a c b c i a t: ants of the town. For it was nut . 1.,? toi was in e t t nature ia a j u n t t i s T o ' i r v i, ° . , ,n ye u e e l : ll ' aa ' ante.lknewdelnd , t ' i l s , i s t f i l i:s h , u e o i n tYl f: a t t a h ll y li e r t a t i l i ii lice he knew y had and had to be attended acted with au imPu" - • - • . ,ied a great • or dealrecl:ruenilintley, happened that evidencd of the duty , f to with much c ation. ss, broughte a was a sufficient justification of loyfheanvehrey c Ontlictingmatui.‘‘as forward: He thought bCr of in th e e nt c l o " i i i i i e in t i t t i tee s, which he should the num propose. He would no ti c e another subject. It h a d b een asserted out of doors that the new Police, besides beinsr appointed for the good of the inhabitants of the town, were appointed with an ulterior object he. i should cre consider a disgrace to any body— Political engine. As a member of the late welch committee he to o k upon hi mse lf to d eny t h a t as sertion must distinctly. rha a t " Each, li a u When, however ; he should read the list of names, and a gloat number of the members of the coun cil were embodied, many of whom were found to be totally ad- , verse to the majority of thud council, that would he the best answer. (Cries o f "[war.") if they had made the police a political engin e , ho,lioueh. it that, in prop os i ng such - a r tist, theywould be universally admitted, were using the utmost ladle- . cretion—that they weee absolutely inviting the enemy into their camp. But lie was convinced that the gentlemen who joined them would find that the attention of the old committee was di- reeled to nothing but the good order and peace of the town ,_,. and lie was perf e ctly satisfied, front what he had remarked of many of those gentlemen, that they would join cordially with the committee in that system which merely had for its object the security of the persons and property of the inhabitants of this great community. Mr. Alderman ROBINSON concluded by reading over the names of the committee, which wore afterwards proposed seria , - tiin as follows : Messrs. Charles Cropper, James Lawrence, Blain, Jordan, J. N. Wood, lireme, Mellor, Leigh, Thornhill, Bulley, Hough. , ton, Lassell, L. lleyworth, Shawl, Woolwright, Jones, Bibby, Harvey, Cuglan, Barton, Higgins, and Robinson, Mr. Councillor C. LAw it Erica begged to be allowed to with , draw his name. (Loud cries of " Nu, no.") He had never' been appointed on the watch committee, and knew 'lathing' about its duties. He was nut fit for the duties. They were duties in which he had never interested himself; and he there , fore trusted that they would allow him to withdraw his near 8 Mr. Councillor BOLTON thought that any gentlemttennnyh d com perfect right to offer reasons for decliniug to ae t t to the consi , mittee to which he might he named, cud to leav :,,„ ' s entitled hint duration of the council, as to whether thoseareat spoken. how to exemption. Mei el) , to express ever, had not offered any reason whatever. the mode in which its dislike of a committee, and i,; The hoe. gentleman whoehr.d i is offered were not such as business was conducted, therefore, submitted that the reasons w.:Snt°,lOatu2tlicient ; he (Mr. Bolton) • , was afraid Mr. Robinson had decline r s n e e r d v . rn g Lrrt - ie . s . r . lidot occupy more ~,, by his were i‘ir entitled Councillor to c o j n e s o i d, rcoar,tt,tioit,penei,d,chaoli;liy I frightened the members duties were easily ous duties. The fact was, that no one would rose: s a c t t r i r s i s ds o t n lo o u ti d i c )a ri r e t s ic o u f la " r n Q a u m es e t s io w n as, ." The more proper course than ground, , and I t h e e t hoped ho ti gh t the would be, to take each appointment in due course as it /gas putts on that C A " l ' a u tr u i ( i ' l i t il t ° ll r o S ugVt N t rl'iarot at the present moment, but of order. the council. (Ilear, hear.) lie supposed there toas it o wisher oblige any gentleman to serve: if he had att/ valid reason to give why he should not strive: If he could not give that, this e mninii tee would expect him to serve, Mr. Lawrence old magistrate, and ought to he acr • _. was au luainted with the . duties. Mr. Councillor C. LAWREN ' . LL still pressed his objection. Mr. Alderman It oIsINSUN said, as there would probably be a continual influx of new councillors every year. it was essen , tial that those who were there should be . learning the duties of the Various committees Hthought e the arguments made use of by Mr. Lawr ence to be excused, were the very reasons whi he should Le retained. Mr. Councillor J. HEywourn said, that his own opinion was, that the reason set forth by Mr. Lawrence Was a valid one. He hoped they would not insist upon appointing hiin contrary to 114 - --~ ~' '~ E ktf t7P • • -