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se. irb OCT. 4, 1836, your eyes.open ? Does the memoir here given satisfy You—+tl►e_ epitomised public life of him Villiers Stuart delightetb to honour" and his colleagues to uphold, by attempting to cry down the man who has had the - 4ecoming dignity and devotion to erect a bar rier against stich.barelaced bvpocritical depravity . ? Yes; this is really: the . Coni:Cientious,The magnanim6Us modern Pittacus of Sir Richard Keane—the man of Measured words and polished ellifluous plirases—the disinterested champion of Ireland's woes, and the phillinthrepie friend of th e po„►' factory children of England, arid to whom the second estate of this realm is to bow in submission,-and yield the palm of judgti;,,nt therein to the wisdom and discretion of Mr. Villiers Stuart ! We may. be, charged 'by some of our readers with making too much or this common disturber of a nation's rep ose , and we will readily afimit the subject is sufficient. ly loathing and irksome to dwell upon after the repeated expositions whiChhave been made 'of the unprincipled quality of this man's Pretensions ; but we have a justifi cation to put 'on' the record; and, whilst we find indivi dual peers and commoners so lost as to continue with eyes unbandaged to laud his proceedings, we feel it our duty to prevent, as far as in us lies, any portion of our fellow-countrymen from falling into the fatal delusion, by being entrapped into the nets so artfully spread for them Our contemporaries of the London conservative Press, infinitely before us in tact and information, still deem it: necessary to notice these post-prandial proceed- ings,notwithstanding their repeated exhibition, usque ad nauseam, we cannot remain passive spectators whilst falsehood and dissimilation stalk abroad with " head and front Offending in the glare of day." Under the hope, therefore, that we may be relieved, for a time from making this man's proceedings the lead ing topic in oar discussions, we will endeavour to deal with the nefariOuslinpOstures practised in the most sum- , Warr lv y possible, 'tinder the- hope' that what we have recently adduciql will act as a corrective,within the sphere of ng :3 6WraCirculation, at all events; for we have little 11.)pkWNiaing a practieillreflirnramongst those on the other . Side of 'the chanter Who are living under Vile priestly dominion of tin 'tenets of Dominus .Dens and the t ilitelage - ceDoctorsTrOg; Murray, and M'Hale, as well as of O'Connell. We will, therefore, endeavour to; content ourselvei with tiro general grounds of answer to the-fulmination of Mr. Villiers Stuart, which may further elevate him' and his colleague, in the O'Connell phrase, • on " the Corinthian capital of true patriots" — the first to show the utter indifference of the Irish people, generally, to the vaunted measure of municipal reform, the great stalking-horse of the late session; the . next to prove the utter falsehood of the Derrynane patriot's his torical statements with regard to protestant possessions in Ireland. Now, it is an established fact, which Mr. Villiers Stuart must well know, that, from the 4th day of February last, the first day of the opening of parliament, and when a determined opposition was fully to be expected on the part of the tories in the House of Commons, independ ently of the known conservative feeling of the majority of the peers, down to the 21st of May, the number of petitions, for reformed or papal corporations, amounted . to only nineteen—the gross amount of signatures thereto 7,520, out of. the seven millions of people so ill used by Lord Lyndhurst and,his tyrannical colleagues ? . What does this go to establish ? Is it possible that the Irish Roman Catholic population, oppressed, persectited, and ill-used by its protestant landlords and existing corpora tars, should have been so, dead to its own interests as to allow the united parliament to slumber, pending the as.• sertion of this great principle of "Justice to Ireland" at the most critical period of its discussion ? But such in reality was the case, and here is. .a practical illustration of the sympathy entertained by even the general Roman Catholic population of Ireland, fur the objects of its agi tating tormentors,•whea freed franc their presence ! As to the value that should be attached to die very few pe titions which wer:e i sen(in e it must he purely compara tive, as they werellif„re r sult of _organized agitation and priestly infuence r• - _ • We feel that, we have thus far disposed of the logical inferences and interpretations of Mr. Stuart with regard, to ; the, question be .so profoundly disoussed,,nationally, and have shown it to be worthless in the eyes of his own co.,untrymen. AF l tft - his " scathing eloquence,7 so deno: minated by the,4ondon whip-radical press, in the pay of the government, the Morning Post has made such a -havoc with it, in its , last Friday's 'number, as to leave nothing to be desired, even . by the great beggarman himself. We now. come to tile second part of our reply, em bracing the entire position on which the great Pittacas of Ireland founds and justifies his unprincipled agitation and hostility to English connexion; and we.shall be very .brief'.w•ith his honour in this respect, by assuring him and his defender, .at the onset, that his foundation is a very rotten one, entirely destitute of truth and of histo tical support, as we undertake to establish, should he have the impudence to dare us to the proof. We, therefore, take leave to inform Mr. Villiers Stuart, who, it would seem, in charitable conclusion, is ignorant. of the early history of his own country, or rather of, that country he now inhabits, for his name would imply a, Scottish or French descent, that the first assumed legal connexion of Ireland with the crown of England took place in a clan destine compact between some Roman Catholic bishops, who„under. -the assumed apostolical. authority of Por.e Adrian the Fourth, and his predecessors, had obtained an ascendancy in Ireland over its primitive christianity, , to which compact this very Pope Adrian was a party and; it is further related by authorities who perfectly well know the history, of. this transaction, that ."both Adrian, and the two other parties who figured in this treaty, in the true spirit of popery, vied with each other in the depth of the design, and the. truly iniquitous hypocrisy under which it was perfected ;"—thus this "Saxon cru sade against the independence of Ireland," borrowing Mr. O'Connell's phrase, was headed by parties strictly papal !• Now, we challenge Mr. O'Connell to disprove this fact; but knowing well that he cannot disprove it, it. follows that whatever of calamity—of misery—of anar chy—which has or may become entailed on unhappy Ireland by this act of her elder sister, then strictly a popish stale--“ to•popery,,and to popish treachery alone is due the homage and the undivided honour, the praise, and the admiration of Irishmen, for having first inflicted them—for having first destroyed her primitive system, which she possessed from the.first.promulg,ation of chris tianity in these islands." There, Mr. Daniel O'Connell is a knockdown blow for you. What becomes , of your ." Saxon invasion" • 'now Will you answer its'?` or -are you &nub when Arndt stands before you. in the garb of indisputablosim 'plicity ? With all your sophistry, can you dispute a fact recorded in the 'recognised history—the unmystified ca lendar of events in your own 'country t There was no heresy, even as the Church of Rome deGnes it, here at work ; for protestantism, that daughter of the reforma tion, had not yet shone forth upon the earth, arrayed in the mantle of the Gospel. 'Let us follow one of our quo tations (the first) a little further :—" If the fountains of her independence ceased to flow—if the crystal springs of her liberty rose no more, who else but, Roman catholic brothers polluted the one and dried up the other ? Rich in her poverty and pure in her •simplicity, she need-. .ed not the gilded trappings of a Roman hierar . chq' nor the infallible protection of a Roman potentate to save the souls of her sons from dathnation !• But, alas ;for Ireland ! she fell prostrate at the, feet of the mistress of the seven hills,' no longer imperial Rome "! Thus, 'in the twelfth century, did Ireland become incorporated with England by the sole agency of that party of which Mr. O'Connell is now the leading instrument, but whose authority ceased in the state in England the instant that state became protestant, Ireland, b J ., this very popish contract, having been previously admitted to form an in tegral and component part of the British empire, and which . very act of incorporation was confirmed by a Syndtof the Romish clergy, under the express authority of another pope, held at the very town of Waterford, the scone of Mr. Stuart's forensic eloquence, and Henry * Grey's Historical illustration of the me Principles of Civil Government iu Britain. Londo n: 1835. wards. t History of Ireland to the great Rebellion; and Phelan Policy of the Church/a Rowe. Londan : 1827. Cadolt. 's -7- " m """7" ',--- - "lrr -, Fkrlto gibleSet. • -. , : ~ TO 'Nis REV. THOMAS MAGUIRE. • Sta,—On the occasion of what your friendi call your chal lenge to ine, you, are reported to have said that you %mild at any time readily meet the revilers of your religion, the:O'Sul livanS anti. AP6hees:. and that you would wait three weeks in Liverpool to giVe my friends time to apprise me of your lenge. Before that period had expired, I addressed a letter to you, which was printed on Saturday, the 17th of September, in the Lzrerpool Journal, -a paper knoWn to be in circulation amongst the Roman Catholics of the town and neighbodrhood. But you sere gone. On Saturday, the 24th of Septet - 111;er, the editor of the Journal inforMed the public that you hart been somewhere near • Preston but he concluded you had removed thence, as otherwise a copy of his paper must have reached you. Another week passed. On Saturday, the Ist of October, the Editor of the Journal informed the public that he had authority to say you would be in Liverpool on Tuesday. (to-morrow). This letter will be ready for your perusal in the STA NDALt D to morrow morning, and I shall direct a copy of that paper to be addressed to you to the care of the Editor of the Journal. 1. First I call your attention to my letter of the 17th alt. ac cepting your challenge. As the challenged party, I have an undoubted right to choose my weapons, without assigning any cause; but I ens willing that you and the public should be in possession irf toy reasons for preferring the press as a vehicle of theological controversy. If my object were to display my own talents as a disputant : to excite party contention : to rouse angry feelings of opposition against my Roman Catholic fellow-countrymen : Wilfully to darken the subject in hand by quotations from human autho rities public or private; and thus at the expense of truth, and peace, and honesty, to gain an apparent triumph in disputation: if these or any of these were my actuating motive, then 'should probably prefer the platform ; but none of theselorm any part of my object. MY object is to show that the authorized formularies of the church of Rome and the superstitious practices founded there on will not bear the light of the sacred word of God; that what the Church of Rome inculcates as the gospel ofChrist was never inculcated by . Christ himself, or by his inspired apostles; and that, consequently, both priests and people should flee out of the antiscriptural apostacv, read' nd believe the word of God, and be saved in the Lord Jesus Christ with a free, full, present, and everlasting salvation. Now, what is your objeCt ? Is it to display your talents as a disputant? Is it to excite party . contention? Is it to rouse angry feelings of opposition against your protestant fellow countrymen ? Is it wilfullY to darken the subject in hand by quotations from : fathers, and c ouncils, and bulls, which contra dict one another as freely and flippantly as fretful children br angry women ? Is it thus, at the expense of truth. and peace and honesty to. gain an apparent triumph in disputation ? If these, or any. of these, be your actuating motive, I do not wonder that you should, ,prefer the platform. But if none of these be your object 7 -but, if your object be to show that the au .thorised 'formularies of the Church of Rome are in accordance with the word of. God; that what the Chinch of Rome inculcates as the gospel was . ioculcated by Christ and his apostles; and that, consequently, all heretics should see that they are guilty of the fatal sin of schism, and thereupon return for salvation into the bosom of the mother and mistress of all churchei then;. ass ircdly, both your object and mine will be . best attained by . a,paiotaking series of writings. I prefer the Press then, 'because, first, bravado and bluster, and sophistry will go for nothing when on piper, and no per mapent impression will be. made except by sound interpreta lieu attested facts, and cousecittive reasoning. And; bectittSe; secOndly„ such interpretations, facts, and reasonings, Mill etrekill be Submitted, not to the impromptu snffrages of au extiit4llVltild impatient :assembly, (small at the largest possible ain4tint"Eifl auditersy but to the calm deliberate inspection of the United' Kingdoin, and the educated world. 2. But in the second place, if you have still such an invincible predilection for speaking, that you will u , n, or cats not write: then I call sour attention to Mr. INl•Ghee's unans xered challenge to THE PLATFOHM, and to his letter in the Li: erpoonfail of last Saturday, in which he says you have skillked his Cbiillenge .for the last three years. " First, by ,pretendinil ! i on never saw it . pr' three years, though it was publicly adoertised in the 'chief Roman' Catholic Jour/rats, and culled about • the streets of Dublin, and lastly, by evading it throw9h unworthy art fices, whenit was posted on your Chapel door." What say you to this ? For a contentious man, you are uOw surely- in a happy posi tion. You may choose your man, and your weapons. If, on sober reflection, you are really desirous of eliciting tiuth, and see the propriety of adopting the quieter, and more effectual medium of the Press, I aro your man. If, on 'the contrary. you still prefer the Platform, Dlr. M`Gliee is your man. thrum horum erotic accipe. If You feel, as I hope for your own sake you do, that you can not properly meet either of, us, until you have vindicated yoUr self against a grievous accusation, Mr. Nolan is your man. I quoted his words to you in my last letter. 3. Finally, if you will neither meet Mr, Nolan on his pub lished and unanswered charge against vou: nor accept Mr. M'Ghee's published and unanswered challenge to the platform: nor follow up your attack upon me by accepting my published and as yet unanswered challenge to the press: then for common . shame sake, 'hide yourself, and never more attempt to delude' the poor ignorant creatures who bear you, and who are not al lowed to read and think for themselves. It is for the temporal . and everlasting welfare of our poor fellow-countryinen, that we wage this warfare against the artifices which your'church is' now practising, concealing her theolo g ical and intolerant de— formities, behind a plausibl e mask of, charity and liberality, that she may thus assoc iate with herself the careless and tke infidel, to the attainment of the grand object of her ambition— political supremacy. Yes, Sir, it is on behalf of our poor de luded, mentally enslaved fellow-countrymen, that we "earnestly contend for the truth once delivered to the saints"—truth for the people, a freely, circulated Bible in their mother tongue for the people, light for:the people, liberty of conscience for the people, salvation for the people ! This we say to the Priests of xromo. I am, sir,..your obedient servant, lIUGII M'NEILE. Liverpool, 3il October, 1836. MUSICAL FESTIVAL. TO THE EDITOR OP THE LIVERPOOL ST,LVDARD. Sitt,—We observe, with regret, the announcement, this day, that the service which should have taken place at "St. Michael's Church,' . ' on Tuesday next, has been transferred to " St. Luke's Church," in consequence (as stated) of the inefficient state of the organ. " As the builders of the organ in " St. Michael's Church,"' and Carrying on that business extensively in this town, the impres sion (which would be very injurious to ourselves) might get abroad among our friends and the public generally, that there had been souse neglect, on our part, in not attending to the insrrument: = The fact is, that for the last three years we have not had the charge of the organ in question, for reasons known only to the powers that. then were, but of which further notice is, at present, unnecessary, our only object being to prevent, - any impression going to the public generally—and which might be the case— as to our not attending to business intrusted to us. Had it been under our' care, there should have been. no occasion, on that account, to transfer the service front one church'to another. While on the subject of organs, we would further observe, that we regret the Festival Committee should :deem it necessary to overlook resident tradesmen of long standing here, and bring down patties front London, to attach a long movement to the organ in St. Peter's Church for the Oratorios, which, to say nothing of the additional expense thereby incurred, is • casting an unmerited stigma.on the resident tradesmen of the town, Particularly in that department.—We are, Sir, your obedient servants, BEWSHER and 'FLEETWOOD, Bronte-street. Saturday Evening, Ist October, 1836. TO VIE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL ST.IIND,IRD. Itt.:--Gousiderable perplexity seems to have been experienced by certain parties in. Liverpool on the subject of Father Ma guire's present location. Perhaps I shall be able, in a few lines, to relieve the anxiety which has been so keenly felt. lam cre dibly informed that father Tom was present one day last week at the Heaton races, and the following evening at the Manchester Theatre.. He iw'st probably attended the former place for the . purpose of acquiring a greater degree of proficiency iu the classical language of the thimble-riggers, or in the art of jockey ing his opponents; and the latter place, for the equally laudable purpose of improving himself in the noble accomplishment of poSture-making.—l am yours, &c., AMBROSE. TO THE REV. HUGH M'NEILE., • My DEAR FRIEND.-1 have seen the Liverpool Journal con taining your answer to Mr. Maguire. As I know that your sole object is the elucidation of truth for the people, I must entreat of you, for the truth's sake, not to allow your own zeal, or your conscious capability of vindicating your Master's cause, to force you into any acceptance of Mr. Maguire's challenge, (or mock challenge) till he has the common honesty to answer that which he has now twice skulked from in Ireland; first, by pretending, he never saw it for three years, though it was publicly advent- sed in the chief Roman Catholic journals, and called about the streets of Dublin ; stud lastly, by evading it through unworthy artifices when it was posted on his chapel door. • • The popish priests are trained with the deepest subtleties of jesuitry and sophistry to make a show of truth under the real and apparent sanction of authoritieS; councils, fathers, school men,,&c. which never will allow the common 'people, nor even educated Roman catholics, to get at the plain and simple word of God. Such confusion can they raise on every point; that even if the .minds of the people are led to doubt by an able disputant, still there is enough - of ambiguity left to prevent them from see ing their way clear out of the church of Rome. But the text proposed in the challenge.which Mr. 111aguire has evaded, and which no priest in their church dares to meet , fo rces theta at once into plain open ground. puts their creed, their infallibility, .their vanity, and all the principles of their superstition, to the test.—They blind the people with arguments, to prove what au thority, and power, and infallibility, &c. they possess. This challenge puts all their boasted powers to the proof, and would at once teach the people by the most summary process of all arguinent, namely, plain matter of feet, that all the pretensions of. popery are one enormous mass of falsehood and imposture. .I, therefore, intreat you. my dear brother, to lead the chal lenge which I have sent over to Liverpool. • I trust you will see the plainness and siaiplieity with which it puts, at once, the falsehoods of popery to the most cleat and conclusive proof. I will feel thankful, if you approve, that you will adopt it, as 1 intend to teouest that my revereud brethren in Ireland will do so; and if you will not think me an 'unworthy coadjutor, let us :;end it forth to all Romish priests; bishops; and vicars apostolic of the Roman see; and in the strength of our God we shall, I trust, stand together, and prove the utter incompetence of all their. blind gurdes, to expound the word of God to the people, end show the peoPle themselves that it is their right and duty to burst the shackles of that tyranny that enslaves•them, and 'vindicate to themselves and their children the rights and privi leges of rational, responsible, immortal beings.—Believe me, my dear friend, your very affectionate but unworthy brother. Dublin, 2811 s Sept., 1836. it. J. SI'GHEE. - We are happy to find that the reprint, by Fraser, of " The SimimarV of the Session, by-Lord Lyndhurst," has reached the , 26th edition. "The General Results of the Past Session, and the Prospects of the Next" has also appeared in the shape of a smaßpamphlet, and obtained a very extensive circulation. This cheap reprints are calculated to render great service to the cause'of conservatism; and we therefore wish the spirited pub lisher every success in his praiseworthy undertaking. Rom isti CATtilinksts.—We have it (says the Minna Ad vertiser) on undoubted authority that Tu4li Cathedral, the eighth wonder of the world, owes its erection almost entirely to protestant contributions! The Marquess of Sligo subscribes a hundred - S.:year td the building. Lord Oranmore also contri butes largely, and there is scarcely a protestant landlord in that part of the country who has nut sent in, his tribute to the far-famed edifice. In addition to this, the priests have been touring through England and Scotland collecting subscriptions; and it is only the other day that the Rev. Mr. O'Connor was announced with three hun - dred pounds, which he had collected in various parts of the sister kingdom. We believe that a great part of the labour was performed gratuitously by the Roman catholic population, but we all know what weapons 6tich priests as Dr. can bring, into requisition to gather the " boys" for a service of that kind, and we believe that it forms the ex tent of the Roman catholic part of the subscriptions. So much for O'Mnlgrave tranquillity—so much for the cathedrals raised by the unaided contributions of the Roman catholic population, -john Pli LIVERPOOL sri',AlitbAkii TOWN-COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. •An adjourned meeting of the council was held onFriday last, at eleven o'clock ; toe Mayor in the chair. LANO JOHN-STRKET. The 11 A 'you stated that he had received a letter frotti the Di rectors of the Liverpool Tradesaten's Bank, who were dissatii lied with the decision of the iniprovetnent committees as to a piece of laud in John.,treet, called th..Gaibe chambers. They alleged that they had purchased the land froth tile committee, and claimed to have the Purchase continued ; ,the committee re jeetei their claim, the laud having been previously sold to Mr. itntheiharO.' The letter was then read by. the deputy town-clerk. " Liverpool Tradesmen's Bank, 30th September, 1833. " beg to refer you to the annexed copy of a com munication which we addressed to the Improvement Committee On 2-Ith instant, respecting the reinainin , piece or laud in North John -street, called "The Globe ChlinOis," and which com munication coutaini all the particulars of our written applica tion, purchase, and claim to have such purchase confirmed to us by said cohitnittee. • " The I►nprovemPut committee having, at their meet►ng on Tuesday last, the 27th instant, rejected our claim for conlirm►ng the purchase of said land and although in our appeal to them for that purpose, we respectfully solicited "an early reply" to our claim. their decision of Tuesday was not communicated to us until Toursday afternoon, the 29th instant, and then only, after having, on our part, specially written to the Town-hall for the same. The Directors of this Bank conceiving they haVe sufficient grounds for being d►ssatisfied with the decision of the Improve ment Committee in this affair, respectfully solicit the favour of your - laying this, as well as the accoMpanying communications before the council to-day, in order that a statement of the whole transaction may come under their deliberate considera tion. _ . To W►n. Wallace Currie, Esq., Mayor, Liverpool. " TO THE IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE OF THE LIVERPOOI CORPUKATION. " September 24th, 1836. " GENTLEMEN,—Having heard about six or seven weeks ago that a lot of land, called 'the Globe Chambers,' in John-street, corner of Temple-court, was on sale by the corporation, and being desirous of purchasing the same for suitable premises fur this bank, we made application respecting it through Mr. San derson, one of our directors, and on behalf of our board, to your clerk, Mr. Charles Okill, who informed us that 'it was decided the landwould be disposed of by public sale, of which due notice would be given, and that it was useless, therefore, to Make an offer by private treaty,,'. It will he obvious. to your committee that the natnitinendency of thiS information, cotuniunicated through an official chatinel, must have. been, not only to impress our minds with the hope of seeing the' said lot of land left to open competition, but also to dissuade us from making any offer by private treaty. Immediately, on being informed of your in tention, to Sell said lot by private sale, we acted on the second information by directing our, agent, Mr. John Parry, to offer ten guineas per square yard,'n filch offer was regularly made to your surveyor, Mr. Franklin. 7 " Ott Tuesday last, the 20th instant„Mr. Parry was informed by your surveyor that the committee had fixed the price of said „laud at £l2 per square _yard. We their directed Mr. Parry to go immediately to Mr. Franklin to close the purchase. Mr. .Parry 'accordingly waited on your surveyor on :idiot! day, (Thesdav4 and inquired if Mr. Franklin was authorized to sell .1.40 land; when Mr..Franklln replied in the allirMative. Mr. ,rg4ty then said, will give you £l2 per square yard for it.' ,Mr. Franklin, in :reply said, Write me a note to that effect.' Mt. •Parry then remarked, 'The purchase money is eadv ;' to which Mr. Fianktin rejoined, 'Put that at the bottom of rink. note.' The note: referred to was acciirilinglx handed to Mr. Franklin, when Mr. 'Parry observed, ' Mr. Franklin, is it S. sale ?' and Mr. Franklin replied in the affirmative. After some Lfurther conversation, Mr. Parry again remarked, "rheu it is u sale ;' to which Mr. Franklin replied,. It is, unless something supersedes it.' This last expression we understood to allude to Are 'confirmation .of such sale by the council. Mr. Franklin ~having 'given Mr. Parry a plan of the land, with a card of the renewals of the lease under which such laud would be held, the negoeiation was concluded, and we considered the purchase of I,the land made. • . "On Wednesday last, however, our agent, Mr. Parry, re ceived a note fruns-Mr. Parry, of which the following is a copy : " ' Town-hall, 21st September, 1b36. " Sir,—ln reply to your note, I have to inform you that the remaining lend of the Globe Chambers was under offer to Mr. Rotherham, who has this morning accepted the sense on the terms asked by the coinniittee;—his first application was dated 10th instant, yours on 19th.-1 remain, &c., (Signed) CHAS. OKILL. Mr. Juhn Parry.' " We were certainly unprepared for such a communication as the above, when on the previous day, your surveyor had sold the land in question to our agent, Mr. Parry, and, consequently, we .took the earliest opportunity of apprizing Mr. Okill of _our determination to bring • a statement of the whole transaction under the consideration of your' committee.- NoW we respectfully submit that, if priority of application be the ground of preference of sale to Mr. liotherain, we are evidently entitled to that preference: for Mr. llotheram's first application is dated 10th Instant. Our application, through Mr. Sanderson, as already stated, was about the middle of August. "Again, if our offer of ten guineas per square yard was the highest made, that gives us the priority, being the highest bidders. _ _ " Also, Mr. Rotherham 'accepts' the offer of £l2 on Wed nesday, we purchased the land on same terms from your sur veyor 4m 'l'uesday. • And we therefore 'submit that, under all the circumstances of the case, we are fully and justly entitled to have the purchase of said land confirmed to us; and we have no doubt but that your committee will - so decide in the matter. . "Soliciting an early reply," &c. . Mr. BA RCL A Y, on behalf of the committee, stated that afters careful examination, 'they had conic to the conclusion that-the bank had no claim for the land. Mr. Franklin • was not em powered to sell the land, and distinctly denied that he had done so. On the contrary, he had expressly referred to another and prior offer being an obstacle in the way. After some remarks and questions by Mr. Duncan, Mr. Bol ton, and Mr. Robinson, the minute book of the improvement committee was sent for, and the minutes read over. From these it appeared that there was originally a uegociation with Messrs. Clibborn and Co. for-the purchase 'of the laud. At the meeting of the committee, held on the 12th September, a letter dated the 10th was received limn Mr. Rotherham making an offer,_and it was resolved that if Messrs. - Clibborn and CO. did decline it, and at the meeting of the 19th, the letter of Mr. Rotherham was reconsidered, and another letter was received front Mr. Perry, agent to the bank, making an offer. It was agreed that the land should be offered to Mr. Rotherham, and if he declined it, that it should then be offered to the bank. At the meeting of the 26th there was a letter dated the 21st re ceived front Mr. Rotherham, accepting of the offer, and also a letter from the bank dated the 20th, claiming the land ou the ground of the verbal conversation or agreement with Mr. Franklin. Both parties agreed to give the price of £l2 per square yard fixed by the committee. At the kneeling of tne 27th the surveyor attended, and explained what had passed with the agent for the hank, and the committee were of opinion that the sale to Mr. Rotherham should he confirmed. , Mr. ROBINSON thought the committee had done right, as Mr. Rotherham had accepted the offer on the 21st. Mr. DUNCA N.—The bank say that Mr. Franklin sold it to them on the 20th. Mr. BA IWLA Y.—Mr. Franklin denies it; besides it would be a dereliction of duty in Mr. Franklin to conclude a pur chase. Mr. SHIM, wished to know what steps the committee had taken to obtain the .best price. Bath , in the year a great amount of corporation property was offered for sale, and the price obtained surpassed the most sanguine expectations of those belonging to the corporation, and of the best judges of land in Liverpool. Was this land publicly advertised to be sold? He disputed the right of the committee to 8.41 land privately; . they ought to have sold it by auction, and let the whole town share in the competition. A large price might thus be got from persons in want of land. It had been insinuated to him that members of this corporation sere interested in this transaction, and he hoped therefore it would not be confirmed. Mr. BeowN thought the committee had done right in award ing the land to Mr. Rotherham, with whom the negociation had first commenced. The bank had no claim unless the bargain with Mr. Rotherham had fallen through. Mr. BOLTON said, that on the 19th of September, £lO per yard was offered by Mr. Rotherham, and 10 guineas by the bank. On the 20th the bank offered £l2, which was the price required. The offer of Mr. Rotherham was dated the 21st. The land - was on sale at a certain price, and the bank was the first offerer at that price. He would therefore second Mr. Shell's motion that the sale to Mr. Rotherham be annulled, and that the land be sold by auction. Mr. N. HORN BY, as a member of the improvement com mittee, denied that they had any motive except to do what was right and to get the best price they could for the land. He then recapitulated the particulars of the transaction. The committee considered Mr. Rotherankthe first offerer Mr. Okill and Mr. Franklin both thought £l2 a very high price. The offer was made on the 19th and Mr. Rotherham accepted it on the 21st. It was not offered on condition of being accepted by return Of post. On the 20th the bank agent had a conversation with Mr. Franklin. but this did not come before the committee till the 27th and Mr. Franklin then denied the fact, and said that he had expressly alluded to the existence of - another offer as an obstacle in the way. As to the charge of selling by private contract they - had constantly done so, and Mr. Shell should have objected before if he disapproved of it. Mr. Sturm said he made the objection as soon as he saw the error. Mr. IIORNBY said they acted in the same way as the finance committee, of which Mr. T. was a member. He wished to know whether the finance committee, whose.transactions were to a much greater extent, - sold land by auction? • . Mr. COGLAN said, thitt if the improvement camMitlee sold the land cud had the power to sell it, Mr. Rotherham would de mand the fulfilment of the contract. If they had power to make the contract, he had power to enforce it. • It was equally binding on both parties. He did not believe, that the gentlemen of the improvement committee had acted froth any improper motive. The bank alleged that it was actually sold to them, and he would recominend the appointment of a select committee to investigate the whole transaction, and to report to the council. The MAYOR reminded Mr. Coglan that the committee had no power to cotnplete the - contract. The transaction was not con cluded, and therefore • not binding, until confirmed by the council. Mr. BratrattaN said the proceedings of the committee were quite regular, and according to the usual practice. They had very properly considered M Rotherham as the first offerer, in asmuch as he was first in treaty for the land. The question now was, whether there were particular circumstances in this case to call for further investigation. He thought there were such circunistances, and the best way, therefore, would be to set the sale ,aside, and dispose of the land by auction, to the highest bidder. Mr. TA YLEUR, the chairman of the improvement committee, said he had attended the meetings, but he agreed. with Mr. Blackburn that the heat plan would be to put up the land afresh by auction. Mr. litt:cn seconded Mr. Coglau's motion ferfurther inquiry. The batik had offered 10 guineas against Mr. Rotherham's £to before Mr. Ittitherhain offered the £l2. Bot.ToN saw no advantage in -Mr. Coglan's motion, and as there had been a strong expression of opinion that the sale should not be confirmed, he would support the motion for selling by auction. * Mr. EVANS said that auctions were often abortive, from not being welt attended. I here was sonic land at the North Shore actually given away after having been offered by auction. But as theta, had been great confusion in this case, and as the 10 guineas had been offered by the bank first, he would annul the sale and offer it by auction. Mr. H. Salmi said that the statements on this subject were so conflicting that he dared not vote upon it, and he wished to know from the Mayor if he might leave the room. The MAY O R said it was extremely desirable that every gen tleman should vote one way or another, but if any one couidnot tr ake up his mind, he had better walk out without saying any thing at all about it. As he was ou his legs he would take that opportunity of saying a few words on the subject before them, that he might not, as on a former occasion, come too late with his remarks. 14 iiexperience *as that while the house property of the corporation sold well, laud did not sell well by tOction. The sales were put off fto.n time to time without a bidder and at lait die property Was blown upon and became depreciated in value. • House property was bought with avidity, but the buyers of kind would not come forward at auctions. The highest, price ever got before this fur kind in the same situation was per yard. He might state that this land had not been offered by auction: He wished it to be distinctly understood by the comf cil as well as by the public that committees could not corithide sales, cod that all mere verbal eenversation about purchases for nothing. Every thing must be done in writing. It liA4 been the practice of the council, However, to be most • cautious as vi the iin'tiutting of tiontracts entered into by committees, as the di g nity of the cou ;Ica and their characters as fair traders would .nt compromised if they should make a common practii:e of not confirming the acts of their committees. It had rarely, if ever, happened that the council did nut confirm the proceed ings of committees. Mr. COGLAN 1161% , said that he would withdraw bis amendment; and leave the land to be sold by auction. Mr. BARCLAY said that he would rather the subject was 'fur ther investigated than that the sale should be annulled. He should therefore move the amendment which Mr. Coglan had. Mr. MocaceorT said he would annul the sale and put the land up by auction. This was the mode always resorted to when a dispute arose between toe purchasers. Mr. EA RLE said the preient case was not one it dispute be tween two purchasers at au auction. if they put tup by auction it would look as if they wanted to take advantage of the misun deistanding that had arisen, so as to get more money for the pro perty. ft was better to have an investigation. Mr. E. CROPPER, as a member of the Improvement Commit tee, thought itbetter to investigate. No argument had been brought forward for selling by auction. Mr. HoLT said that in the first instance an offer had been made to Mr. Rotherham, and the committee were bound to await his answer befOre the bank was in a position to make an offer or the-committee to entertain it. If the bank had offered £l5 or £2O per yard they could not have taken it until Mr. Rotherhain's answer NILS obtained. _ _ air. SHELL said he had every confidence in the good intentions of the committee, but he would go no further. They had not taken pains to make the best of the land. There was no adver tisement nor even a board up. The two competing parties would look to their own interests, and he thou ,, ht that it wets due to the public that the council should get the best possible price. The Finance Committee renewed leases to present pos sessors without advertisement, on payment of the regulated fine, but he did not recollect a single instance of property being sold without being advertised. Mr. Evans said that auctions were not always successful; but he would advertise it by auction, as they did goods in their private business, its order to bring pur chasers forward to treat. the ba w l( was then about to put the motion to the vote, but on referring again to the minutes of the Improvement Commit tee he found a resolution dated 29th August, that the plot of land called the Globe Chambers should be sold for £l2 a•vard. This resolution was confirmed by the council. This, said his worship, was a full justifkation of the conduct of the Improve- meat Committee. Mr. RoatNsos said he should now move that the proceedings of the committee be ironfirtheo.— The MAYOtt put it to Mr. Sheil whether after this he would persist in his motion. Mr. SijaiL declined to withdraw his motion. A similar t ran saotioh as to the sale of land took place last rear, awl excited ►ouch► suspicion of unfairness. Ho was one of those who niveS tigated time matter, and lie found that the 'suspicion ►n as unfounded. lie thought therefore all sales should be public. The Ms you asked if gentlemen were aware of the effect which would be produced as to the character of the council if, after price, a subsequent meeting should annul it? 'l'hev had decided that £l2 should be the price of this land, and if they now revoked that proceeding the honour of the council would be gone. If they did such a thing, he fur one would never sit there and countenance such a proceeding. Mr. EAKLIti said that. £l2 was a very high price, and it had only been obtained as there were two parties wanting the laud. The council then divided on Mr. Robinson's amendment for confirming the proceedings of the Improvement Committee, when there were—For the amendment, Messrs. Logan, Rush ton, H. Hornbv, Leigh. J. Cropper, Jordan, Duncan, Tayleur, Blain, Moon, pulley, Barclay, Rubinson and Brown.—Ae.,ainst the amendment !Messrs. G. Rawdon, Ni 'Gregor, Barton, 11. Holmes, Mellor, Birch, Bolton, Rathlmone, J.Lawreuce, Lassell, Holt, Earle, Morecruft, Blackburn, Coglan, E. Cropper, Alison, Sandars, Evans, 0. Heyworth, Freme, Stuart, T. Smith, and the Mayor.—For the amendment, 15; against it, 29 ; Majority against the amendment, 14. Mr. BARCLAY'S amendment for the appointment of a special committee was then put, when theme were--For the amendment, —Messrs. J. Holmes, Logan, Thornhill, Harvey, 'l'hornely, Rawdou, M Gregor, H. Hoboes, Mellor, Birch, Rushton, 11. Hurnbv, J. Lawrence, Lassen, 'l'. Holt, Earle, Coglan, E. . Cropper, Alison, G. Holt, J. Crupper, Jordan, Duncan, Ta.y ieur, O. Heyworth, Moon, Bailey, Barclay, Robinson, Stuart, Brown, T. Smith, and the Mayor.—Against the amendment, — Messrs. SLIM', Barton, Bolton, Rathbone, Morecroft, Blackburn, Sandars, Evans, Blain, and Freme.—For the amendment, 33; against it. W. [The Mayor's list gave 11 against the amend ment.) The amendment was declared to be carried, and the original motion (Mr. Shell's) for the sale of the land by auction was ot course negatived. Tern MAYOR said, in a low tone of voice, that he was glad (as we understood him) that the amendment had been carried, as the Council would have disgraced themselves if they had put up the laud afresh. Mr. Alderman EVANS immediately rose, and said with great warmth, 1 cannot pass over that remark—you have repeated it betore. I deny it, sir. I hold my honour as high as you can hold yours, and I hold the honour of the council equally high. The MAYOR said he had hoped that he should have terminated his official year without giving offence to any member of the council.. Ills remark was made in order to vindicate the su premacy of the council. (Hear, hear.) He thought that to annul at that .neeting the resolutionS of a former one, would affect their proceedings. lie, of course, cast no disrespect upon any individual, least of all upon Mr. Evans, whose character he respected. He ouly spoke from a jealousy of the honour of the council. (Hear.) The following gentlemen were then named on the special committee :—Messrs. 0. Hey Worth, H. Lawrence, G. Holt, 111‘Gregor, and Freme. forinaq - proclaimed " lord - of . L'eland7 !. We feel, that we have now also done some small share of justice to the pretensions of Mr. Daniel O'Connell, as the:histo rical Pittaads of Ireland, and shall not revert - to him at length for some time, unless we find his proceeditlgs render it imperatively necessary, when we premise him and his sapientcolleagues, and his " Corinthian orators," the full indulgence of that exposure which the abundance and,strength of, the materials we possess, and the ample .vocabulary of the English language, shorn of its tint g (2;41 , shall enable us to wield! , . LIVERPOOL MUSICAL FESTIVAL. It appears to be the unanimous opinion of every person whom I we have heard speak upon the subject, that on no former oc casion were so many strangers seen in the town as at present throng our streets, drawn by the coming Festival; and now that an excitement has beep raised by- • the press, publishing to the public the operations of the Festival ceunnittee, thitit • lately have been ..kept. so much " under the rose," the town preseets the appearauce of a , disturbed. bee-hive. . Yester day every person appeared on the quince, and parading about; a restless excitement, as expectant of something, pervading all, whilst the. various shops redoub.ed.- their exhibitions of finery, and crowds - of admirers were clustering round them impeding the causeways. Yesterday evening, the festival commenced with the ball at the Wellington Rooms.. The company began to assemble at nine o'clock, and continued arriving without intermission till about eleven. The- assemblage consisted for the must part, of the principle gentry of the town.and neighbourhood, with a few strangers. There were, however, riot many .families of distinc tion; a party- arrived late from Knowsley, the .seat of Lord Derby, We also observed the late Mayor there and. Sir Thos. Brancker. About 500 ticketS were sold. Dancing commenced shortly before ten o'clock, and continued, without intermission, until three, When the ball began to break up. 'Many parties, however, left before that time. _ Weippert's band was in ats teudance, and performed' in its usual superior style. Amongst the musical pieces-which were most favourably received during the evening were the "Rhine," " Terpsichurian," - and "'Mos cow" Waltzes, "The Nations," and " idlieir d'Amour," Quad rililes. The room, about twelve o'clock, presented a very splens did appearance; many of •the- ladies being elegantly dressed, and their gay apparel contrasting agreeably with the sombre hues of the dress -coats of the male. visitants,. whilst engaged in- the mazy dance or the lively promenade. Thii morning' sermon is to -be • preached at St. Luke's . Church by. the Rev. Dr.. Gilbert, Principal of Brazen-nose Col les,se,Oxford.. The accompanying arrangements are excellently adapted, - .and will 'be.attiactive. The Deane and jubilate will he sung by the principal singers and the Chorus; 'and its the • reurse of the , 4ervsee three favourite anthems of Marcell°, Kent, ~ ,od Mozart will be given by the most talented of the vocalists.. The choir hater been Et4nplitied and enlarged under the immediate superintendence of Sir George Smart. , . The concertseareAotake place at the Amphitheatre, in Great Charlotte-street, where .alterations have been made which do the greatest credit to the taste and- judgment of the committee. The stage has been completely wailed in, and presents to the eye of the spectator in front the shape of oneAsellof an octagon. heie v;alla are beautifully and tastefully decorated in a chaste and highly-relieved pattern, which displaysitself with a remark ably vivid effect; flu - nigh its prevailing. characteristic is neatness. This department has been entrusted to the skill of Mr. Trout beck. A suffitient sweep of stage has beets left beneath the . proscenium fur the vocal performers, for the conductor, and fur, the instrumeutsewhich usually . occupy this situation; from . .thence, in a *regular suctession.,cif seats, a spacious orchestra, which occupies the whole breadth of the stage, extends upwards - nearly to the level of, the proscenium. This, when filled with the numerous musicians Who havebeen engaged; will in itself present a..most striking cu-up while the compact "enclosure of the space, joined to its form, will, it is 'eipect ,ed, project the sound to - the audience most effectively.- The old orchestra has been enlarged and raised to a convenient' height, so as to give a full view of the performers, while it will. not obstruct the view of those behind. It is filled with ranges of seats, and forms a sort of spacious tie*, being completely-co vered over - with crimson cloth, The avenue which formerly led .from the circle td the stage has been likewise made to con duce,to the general decoration. It is covered ida similar man ner to the orchestra, and contains seats which, with those•above- MentiOned, . are to be appropriated to the use of the Stewards and the Patrons of - the Festival. The circle has - entirely dis appeared, the whole of the materials Which formed it having been removed, and the entire space bas• been laid out with seats, which extend, without any intervening partition, under the boxes, so that what was formerly the pit is now a part, with out any division, of the new area. • the entrance from the back, by an avenue which runs through the middle to the pew under the stage. The whole of these seats are covered with crimson cloth, and, from the alteration which we have attempted to describe, an extent of space is developed which has a mag nificent apppearance. The fronts of . the boxes and of the first tier - of gallery have been newly painted in warm colours, which will relieve the gilded decorations. The fronts -of the upper ranges of the gallery have been newly papered. The division which enclosed the boxesnext the stage on each side of - the avulse has been removed, : wherebythe ap parent size of the theatre has been greatly increased, and its proportions .magnified to an extent which will not be productive of less surprise Oars gratification to those wild may remember it in its former state, :11 - e ceiling has - been .tastefully .re-deco rated by-some of Troutbeek's must able artists; and when we add - to this„ that the backs of the boxes have been hung with handsome paper, the reader will perceive-that-the committee have nut aimed merely at rendering the house fit for accommo dation bra-fear -easy elteratious and iliinsyadornteents, but that they have given to the tout ensemble a finish becoming the oc casion and the audiences which, may there be expected to as- ,semble. • It is estimated that the pit will contain nearly a thou sand. persons. - The morning perfOrmances of sacred music are to take place iu St. Peter's Church. It is to be regretted, that we have no building its this, town of sufficient size to give due effect to the megniticent - creatienS which are to be performed, or aecorn modate the number of persons _who attend our festivals. The space in St. Peter's Church is much too small, but it has been tirade the most of. Numerous alterations have been made,. and it.bas been fitted up to accommodate 1400 persons. A spacious gallery has been erected,. which commencing at the pulpit, rises to such a height as to cover about two-thirds of the eastern win dow. The orchestra is; extensive, and will contain 300 per formers.. For the fancy ball, which, as our readers generally know, is to be held at the Town-hall, the arrangements will be on the same splendid scale as formerly, with some alterations which have been sug g ested by experience of former inconvenience. A spacious and lofty gallery, of two stories in height, is to be carried across the area of the Exchange. The upper gallery of this will cornmunieate from the grand ball-room, in the Town hall, to the Underwriters'-room, in the Exchange-buildings, which will be converted into a room for promenading. Through this the company will pass forward to the NewSroom, in - which spacious apartment the supper is to be laid out. The .return will be through the lower gallery, which will communi cate with the groued staircase leading to the ball-romn. Thus the inconvenience which formerly, resulted from the company passing and tepassing, : by the sense gallery to the supper-rooni will be avoided. The whole of the decorative department will be of the most tasteful description; and, while the committee have paid due attention to that which will gratify the eve and the ear, we are given to understand that they have miracle such arrangements with Mr. Radley and Mr. Lynn as shall ensure equal satisfaction to. the appetites of their guests. Weippert's celebrated quadrille band and 1-lorrabin's band, from Manchester, are engaged to attend. It is-expected from the arrangements which have been made, the excitement which prevails, and the sale of the tickets which has already taken place, that the fancy ball will far outvie those • of former :ccasions. Persons labouring under deafness and other disorders of the ear, who have not had' an opportunity . of consulting the cele hi wed ',wrist, Mrs. Gardner, may still profit from her advice and assistance, as, she will not. leave Liverpool till the end of the festival. IM PR CDENCE.—Yeiterday, at the police-office, a respectable looking man, was brought up charged with having been found quite.drunk and helpless in the streets the night before, and who was put into 'Bridewell for safety. On being searched he had bills, notes ; and Other money found on his person to the amount of £227 Ns. He was tined. ss. for beinc , drunk, TOXTETH•PA;tK BAZAAR.—This bazaar has been continued open until yesterday.' The•attendance of visitors yesterday was extremely numerous and• fashionable, and the proceeds must have been considerable. Nearly all of the very many beautiful ornaments of the more expensive kind were taffied fur yesterday afternoon, towards the .close of the bazaar, amidst much good humour• and. amusement. We trust that the proceeds will lead to the anticipated result and repay the charitable exertions of the committee. ZOOLOGICAL GA RnuNs.—Thecollection at this delightful re sort has received several valuable additions within the last week and the menagerie is now complete. The proprietor purchased on Tuesday last, three fine voung lions, which were brought to this country, by. the french brig Zephyr, front Senegal. These, together With the tiger lately presented by Captain Killick, have completed the , range - of animals in the circular kilding. Mr. Atkins is in treaty for a giraffe from the London Zoological Society, and entertains sangUine hopes of success. The Earl of Del by, the president of the society, has been written to, and has sent a favourable answer. We hope to be able in our next to congratulate Mr. Atkins upon the fulfilment of his wishes. NEW AN fftli'OßT - ANT GOSIIIERCtAI. Booxs.—We beg to call the attention of our commercial friends to the books adver tised under the following bead, in our paper of this day, corn prising—"Tate's Mauual- of Foreign Exchanges," " Gumer sall's Discop,nt Tables at all Rates per Cent," " Anderson's Models of Cpainercial Letters," " Jackson's • New System of Book-keeping." " Walton's most Comprehensive .Reckoner" eve.r published. These books are the very best on the subject of which they treat, andought to have a place in every•count ing-house library in the kingdom. THE THEATRE-ROYAL—Last evening Mr. Charles Kean took his benefit, in the play of "Hamlet," and had an over flowing house, decidettly the best this season. The boxes aei e crowded, many strangers arrived for the festival being present. We have already noticed ,Mr. Kean's Hamlet in a former num ber. The cast of characters was the same this evening as on the former occasiOn, 'with the exception of Mr. Stuart playing the Ghost of . Hamlet's .Faiher, a character we were sorry to see given to him. We' need hardly add, that what there was to, do was well played. We did not admire Mr. Kean's Hamlet so much as on the previous occasion. .He was anxious to do too Anuch, and frustrated many of his finest efforts by his over Anxiety. T (lett were several points which were not given with such effect as before; we remarked also one or two ,which were better given, and which met with a ready applause. On the Whble, hoWever, the character was finely personated. The opera of "Gustavus III:, or the Masked Ball," followed. We have not, however, time for further conuneut. • .1 • Di TV.CTION OP A SUPPOSED MUlivEßur..—On Saturday, at the Felice-office, an Irish labourer who gave his name as Patrick Quigley, was placed before the magistrates, having been appre 7 hended on information conveyed to the officers that he had been one of a party of ruffians who had been concerned in the mur der of an officer in the early part of last year, near Clare. A witness named. Edward Challoner, deposed to knowing 'the prisoner, and that his real twine was Timothy Mean He was present when a party of officers were attacked. near Clare, and one of them named John Donovan was murdered. He would swear to the prisOner being one of the men who was concerned in the murder. Some Of the men were tried in the Spring As sizes of last year and he had given evidence against them. Prisoner —" Where does he say I live? I live in Tipperary ?" Mr. Hall enquired of the witness if he had known the prisoner before the murder? The witness replied that he had known him for two years before and could positively swear to him. The prisoner positively denied all knowledge of the transaction, and stated that he could get witnesses to prove that he was, Pat Quigley and not as was stated. Mr. Hall said he should detain hi m unt i l he had hear d f rom I re l an d A n a ppli c ation d been. ma d e re l at i ng to. hi m b ut h e wou ld . b e d e t a ined till further information had been received respecting him. USE OF THE TOWN-HALL.-INFANT SCHOOLS. The MAYOR slated that the Education Committee had sent an application to the Finance Committee fur the use of the rooms in the Town-hall for au exhibition of the system of Infant Education, under the direction of Mr. Wilderspin. As the ob ject was not exclusively a charitable one; the Finance Commit tee had hesitated to grant the rooms, and referred the matter to the council. Mr. RATHBONR said the object.of the exhibition was to show the system introduced among the infants belonging to the cor poration schools. He remarked upon the importance of encou raging infant education when so much juvenile delinquency prevailed. It was important to show the public what had been done by Mr. Wildersp►n in a short time, and under disadvan tageoui circumstances. This would ❑ot form a precedent for aroplicat ions front. other schools, as these schools were theit own. 14e moved that the request of the Education Committee be complied with, provided the surveyor thought that no injury would he done to the rooms. The exhibition was to take place on the 13th October. Mr. Morecroft seconded the motion. At the request of Mr. STUART, the resolution of the Education Committee was read, when it appeared that the surplus of the proceeds, after paying expenses, was to be given to Mr. Wil derspin. , Mr. STUART said, it appeared from the resolution just read that the object was not strictly a charitable one. He moved as an amendment, that the Court-house, which was a more appro priate place, should be granted for the purpose. Mr. HARVEY seconde the amendment. Mr. BLACKBURN thought the rooms quite as appropriate as the Court-house, which would not answer the purpose. The object was not profit. If any small surplus should arise, Mr. Wilderspin was to have that for his trouble, but so little was a surplus looked for, that the members of the committee had guaranteed Mr. W. against loss. It was not therefore au exhi bition to get money—that would be unworthy of the Education Committee. Mr. Wilderspin had been training the corporation schools, and it was desirable to show the public what had been done, that a greater degree of interest might be excited towards this object. The rooms should be made as publicly useful as possible. There was to be another exhibition at the station house in Seel-street, to which the lower classes were to be ad mitted gratuitously. The admission to the Town-hall would be one shilling a head, but money would not be taken at the doors, as tickets would be issued. Mr. CoGLAN strongly advocated the cause of the schools as one of vital importance. Mr. BaowN would vote for the place that would accommodate the largest number of persons, as he thought the exhibition would be very numerously attended. Mr. RATRBONR said the Court-house was not suitable, and he would undertake to be personally responsible for any injury done to the rooms. The question was then put on Mr. Stuart's amendment, when there were—for the amendment 19, against it 20. The use of the rooms was therefore granted by a majority of 1. SURVEYOR OF BUILDINGS. On the recommendation of the improvement Committee, a Mr. William Rushton was appointed to the sitinition of surveyor of buildings, for a vacant district, at a salary of £5O a-year ; .to devote his whole time to the employment, and to have no claim for compensation when dismissed. THE SLAUGHTER-HOUSES. A memorial was presented from the inhabitants of Lord street, complaining of the slaughtering of cattle in their neigh bourhood. They referred to the effluvia arising front the slaughter-houses, and the nuisance from cattle, particularly sheep, which were wantonly hunted up and down the streets with' savage dogs. The glass in shop doors and windows was frequently broken by these animals. No interior regulations could remove the nuisance, and the abbattoirs s hould have been placed at some distance, from the town.—Beferred to the Slaughter-house Committee. On the motion of Mr. Itathbone, the name of Mr. William • Lassen was added to the Education Committee. pen,:ition was road from Mr. Timothy SERGEANT -AT-MACE. of £3tx) per annum for life. He founded I i A claim for com Parkinson, the late sergeant-atmace. He claimed £5728 18; . 9d., or an annuity claim on the emolument; of his Lace, which were E,400 „ t e s , annum.—Referred to the Borough Court Committee. `. F LNES FOR NoN-AccEPTANcE ol? OFFIL:B. The to• hptohientenruenqcniilreudo would dtatihnign think proper to „ the amount of the floe fix acc eptance of the offices of Mayor, Ald eme n, Assessors,e nun-acceptance Councillors. The ac t fi xe d t h at the sum for the 11lay fur s h o uld be £l.OO, and for the other members of the Coun cil the Assessors , and t he Auditors, £5O. , The MAYOR said it was necessary to fix these sums, though, at the same time, he did not apprehend much increase to the borough rate by fines. Mr. HATBBoNK would say that a smaller amount ought to be fixed. He would suggest that the maximum was too large a sum. 'He thought that a smaller amount would be advantage ous to the public, and would not bear hard on individuals. Mr. BROWN enquired if it was imperative that a bye law of this kind should be passed. The Tows-ct.Eitx said the act required that the council should fix the line, and it was thought it had better be done then, before the necessity for its application might occur. Mr. RATHBoNE would then beg to move, that the tine fur not serving the office of Mayor be £SC and for not serving, if elected as Councilmen, Assessors, Sz.c. sh:_ald be £lO. The motion was seconded. The Mayon thought they had better name £25, and divide the maximum in each case. Mr. BLACKBURN thought there was something due to , t t h e e . public, that these fines should not be fixed at so low . a rate. He thought that gentlemen should nut have it in their power to take upon themselves public duties, and easily r esign, owing at the to a slight fine. In Leeds they had fixed the l p en t eni would be maximum. It was not very likely d that elected without their consent, an the such, that if he accepted these serious anti he did think, in a they ought not to be lightly giveenituhp ; the penalty ought to be penaltiesugdeniino rotaungthtdutotiebse, borough containing so much . t b h c e t maximum , penalty; and e with h e Ishheoeuxld, etitt:i.oreenfoorie. i‘ move, sse ss o t i h , a h t e the h maximum iut the ---~ , t+ , - • . ease,qught, to be 1:25, that there ought to be some nittereure niati , in that. • TaugNi.,,... seem tied Alt.....BlJekburn's amendment. The 'notion, und anion:lin-lit :Were then put, when there ap peared fOr the atuenduient 17, for the inotort 16. tiYE-L A \V S j i The Te . 1 , 171-CLEP,.K be;igett leave now to (17;ivi• attention to the bye-laws which had been prepared. On thc part, of the commit tee he was directed to state that the bye-laws should be read that dav, and taken into consideration, and thm the council shoul4 give the committee the benefit of their sugginitbms, wit() which: any suggestions to be offered by the public would be .414‘..,n consideration ; and that tbenthe.lqe-laws be recourl.iited, and. taken into consideration at the neat council. He must explain that the bye-laws were of to.clesses;,the first class were appli cable to the old borough, tinder,a certain local act of parliament. The council had now the power to, make rules and regulations with regard to fares, Sic., not (Ink , wit!, regard to ihe old tough, but for eight miles round the outward boundary of the, butough. The second cl a ss o f bye-laws to be submitted to the council were bye-laws made under the authority of f lra municipal act, for the good rule of the borough, and fur the prevention of nuisances. Th,e TowN-ci.ErtK was, proceeding to show_ the authorities,. under Which the council proceeded to enact the bye-laws under considertition, when Mr. Bin having spoken to him, hesaid, it was sugtested to him that there were not two-thirds of tffii council present, and that therefore it would be necessary' to colt floe theinselnes to the local act... Mr. Moitecuo'Plewielld suggest to the Town-clerk that they were nut going to irt g alee the bye-laws on that day, but merely to read them, and therefrire that it would not be necessary to have teso-thirds of the 'council present_ - The Towseceue K then fieaceeded. The 2Gth of George 111. gave them power to make acts, not only within the town,' but eight miles beyond it, for hackuev-coaches— M r. RaTu aoN e, interrupting (fie Tow n said /ie . : Always listened to the Town-clerk: with a great, dritl of pleasure, Atilt really he did not think it was essential to Ituow the acts which authorised them to uaske these bye-laws. Vr really thought re rather presumptuous in him to make such At suggestion, but they, were perfectly satisfied with the law undei' which the Town. clerk proposed to them to make those laws. WAS it desirable that they should know what these acts were ? Fletheught the . time of the council might be inure properly bestowed by atonee proceeding to the question. The '!'own-cLeue said, availing himself of these suggestions,.. he must say that the bye-laws woiild be in the hands of ; the , council for them to read over. and any ifforination which they, might require he should be happy to agord. With regard to. haekney-coaches, by the last act of 183.5 the•council had exten sive powers, never yet acted no fully ; it had power not only to register, but it had power to license the coaches, add to license the drivers; and the act itself enacted, that if any driver should be guilty of a second offence, the Mayor might suspend the license of that driver or deprive him Mit, and he should be liable to a penalty if he ever afterwards acted as driver—so far the enactineut of the legislature weut. So far as the bye-laws to be . submitted to them went, they wculd inflict a penalty on the, owner if he should employ a driver who was not licensed, or who had been deprived of his license. Whit respect to the legislative tic< it proceeded shortly as to the. bye-laws egulatieg coaches. The act enacts that every owner shall apply fi.r license, then says that every coach shall, within tweMy-nter hours, be registered io the name of the owner of the license, with the clerk of the peace, otherwise the license shall be void. By the f bye-law, relating to the drivers, he believed they should obtain a very wholesome tamer ever this class of men. After reciting •the sth, Gat, and 7th bye-laws, relating to the, licensing, numbering, &c s of hackney-coaches, he noticed th e Bth bye-law, relating to the fate§ of hackney-coaches. T h e ['area would be the Same as passed tinder former bye-laws, with this exception, that distances which had generally been computed from the stand, should now be computed f ro m th e pl ace f ront which the passenger was taken, subjected. to a provision that it should not exceed 400 yards distance front the stand where the coach was hired ; and if engaged trout tf plal'e Of pubb;e, amusement, the distance to be computed from that place of amusements In other respects he (the Town-clerkj was not aware that these bye laws made any material alteration in the former bye laws, excepting in one very important vet-lieut. The bye laws were made with reference to distinct penalties for first, second, and third offences, and that the fine should begin at a very moderate sum, and go on increasing. This was the -more necessary as it appeared that the council must themselves fix the fines, and could, not leave the amount to the discretion of the justices ; but it would leave the executive power to fine a second as a first offence, if they should not chooSe to charge it a second offence. There was a very particular provision about property left in any coach, compelling the driver, imme.: diately on its discovery, to bring it to the police-office, to be restored to its owner, on payment of such sum as the magis trates-should award. The act of 1833, gave the same power tei stake Lye-laws for licensing the drivers of carts, and the same rule was given with regard to carters. There was an improved table of rates making out for carters; but it was still in a very imperfect state, and the communications of merchants giving their attention to it, would be received very thankfully by the committee. The rates for timber earriagei would most par. ticularly require the attention of gentlethen iif the timber trade. Under the same act of parliament, there was a pro Vision for the establishment of an office in Whidi porters plying for hire should be registered, and though it was not obligatory for is porter so to license himself, yet it established •his character and . entitled him to a preference. Misconduct was punished by having his license obliterated, and by having his name post e . rl so that as much as possible the value cf' a ticket porter's character might be upheld. After reciting the bye-law against solokipg in warehouses, &e., the next was the bye-law for the regulation, of steam-vessels and ot h e r b oa t s , w i t h regar d to p l y i ng at t h e pier steps belonging to the Corporation or the Dock Trustees. These laws contained some very gond provisions. They perhaps might make an addition to th e old laws, that no steam-boat, should !main on any. station without haying at least three competent persons on board to attend to the same. He had now gone very shortly through the different bye-laws which demanded the attention of the council with reference to the local act applying to the old borough. Ile would now just allude to the second class of bye-lais, made under the municipal act, and extending to the new. Air. RATHBONE, before he proceeded, would ask whether there was any pOwer in the corporittibn to consume smoke at steam-vessels ? The TOWN-CLERK did not think they had any power over them. The TOWN-CLERK then continued, and recited the provisions of the intended bye-laws relating to the new bo►ough, with re gard to the removal of slaughter-houses, and for the general prevention of nuisances, fares of coaches, cars, carters, &c. H e worth! submit that these bye-laws be reconunitted to the coin- . mitre, and that the committee should be open to any one who chose to attend to communicate any observations hi which they might be interested. They had only had the notice of the bye laws published two days, but when they became more generally known he did not doubt but they would receive communications respecting them. Mr. IliflCl-1 begged to move that the bye-laws be recommftted for the consideration of the committee, with a view to their un dergoing a full discussion and careful revision, and that they bd brought forward fur final settlement at the nett eimucil meet ing. The motion was seconded. Mr. H. LAWRENCESOggeSted that the progressive fines should commence as low as 6d., and go as high as 155., by being made higher, the consequences were often ruinous to poor men. The TOWN-CLERK was able to state that t h e committee per-, fectlY accorded in the view taken by Mr. Lawrence, and out of the fifty bye-laws, four-fifths of the fines began with 55., and there might be cases in which they would begin with less. He would also hope that the magistrates would have it in their" power to fix the amount of costs, for it did seem to him a hard ship that were parties were fined under a warrant 2s. W., to find the costs, amount to 4s. Gd. or ss. 6d.—costs exceeding the" penalty- Mr. EVANR said he had looked over the clauses, and he' thought it very hard that there should be a law against the poor keeping a few fowls. He thought they ought not to legislate' against a poor man keeping a few ducks, which brought iu a little profit, and were the amusement of his children; they would overturn no horses or wa,Tgous. Ile really thought this a mis-legislation. The MAYOR believed it to be clearly understood that the members of the council were at liberty e to suggest to the coin. think mittee any improvements, and additions theymight proper. Mr BARCLAY suggested that it would be desirable to bring the laws into a smaller compass, and do away with the eternal verbiage. The TOWN-CLEIIK said, that subject had already been dis cussed. It might be done in all act of parliament, but lint in a borough act. With regard to the fowls, he had a l e tt er writ ten to him describing the fowls going abo u t th e streets as a great nuisance. 1111'. Rim-mous would propose that each of these laws should be read over one by one, before being passed by the council. The) would hardly do their duty unless each of the bye laws was read over, and gravely passed seriatim. Mr. H. LAWRENCE took it for granted, that that would be the course pursued. The MA you said it never was intended that any other conrsei should be followed. Each law would be made as perfect as it could ; it was never intended to pass them in the lump. The TOWN-CLERK did not think that any other course would be legal. Mr. BLACKBURN thought the time left for the consideration of these laws very short; he would propose that they should not be passed till the 9th of November, which would allow them time to consider them, The TOrti CLERK said it was a subject of great importance, a nd would have been more properly settled before this. Per haps it might suit Mr. Blackburu to know the sentiments of the committee. that they would only get tbrotieh such portions as they could by the 12th of October, and allow the rest to stand over. Mr. BOLTON thought the subject cOiJit not to be postponed till the new councillors were elected. as the matter would be new to them, and they would be deprived of the services of those who might go out. Mr. BARU,: had read over the clauses, and found no difficulty as to making up his mind as to little alterations. He would answer for it that the whole would be read in three hours with attention. Mr. ItoniN SON thought they ought to tit what they would dd at the next tweeting. It was then determined to commence at the next council; ineeting with the bye-laws relating •to Ilackriet-coaches, and that the discussions should go on at the rate of one day per week until the whole of the bye-laws were got through. The TowN-CL Elm said he had received sugg est i ons relating to the bye-laws front various parties. lie had received two; bye-laws from the Clerks of the Pence one %tart for the preven tion of the shaking of carpets and the other against the blowing of horns by omnibusses. (A laugh.) The Council then broke up shortly before three o'clock, the" next monthly meeting to take place on the 12rb instant: HEATON PARK MEE-LING.-I'lll,as')Ai. A Piece of Gold Plate, presented by Sir R. W. Mikekir; Bart., added to a Sweepstakes of 5 aura each. Al'.,. 11 subs.; was wou by Mr. A Ilanson's Vulture, beating Whaley, br f by Velocipede, Grenada, and three others.—A Purse of £5O, given by the town and neighbourhood of Biiry, added 'to R Handicap Stakes of 10 aura each, h ft, for three year olds and upwards, once round and a distance, 11 subs.. was won by Mr. T. Da sou's Locomotive, beating Ein, Vesper. Mr. Thom g , . W... by Velocipede, Post Haste, and Whi t t i e te ltiot : —A ll i t i on an S d t p f ,hwyinner to be gold Sweepstakes of 10 sovs each, h ft, A.F., for 120 sues, if demanded, lvs 4 ite Sts t , awhatl Al' n Lord Wilton's Wilton,ers.—One Hundred b I Grenada. beating Sovereigns, given by the Earl of a quarter, was won by Me'. Ri c h . heats, two miles and beatirig Colonel Thompsa t e s b ltrdson's b m Lady le Gros, _ g Algiers. '. FRIDAY. — The Claret Stak added by the tow n an d n . es of 20 sous each, With 50 sovs gr t i-e l, 2hbourbnod, of Bolton, was won by Mr, Osbaldeston's Room Stakes (HandiC a i l, The Pocket Ilercules.—The Dining of 15 sovs each, 5 sovs ft. With 4.0 sues added by The Club, Gold Cup, value zo wos won by Mr: Clarke's Ch I Vulture.—A added to liathli soya, given by the town of Manchester, by Mr. Hill natcnap Sweepstakes of 20 sovs each, 10 ft, was won —A Purse of 50 soya, given by ' rite Club, added e t s u L a ° l7,:o n dlt i kp .e. Sweepstakes of 50 soya each' was won by Mr. &hole's . b f Vesper. less has iell hin , ant fest ved u ritv teal :red na li— n— 2lie and pre- liiist .;e to duty the that, the his lish fire lish !s of jest s for s.for buss !d to 11111- ells ertY up rate °I the else" ris lt :itu-