The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-01-05 00:00:00

JA,Numtv l&$. rillowinz communication' front a source entitled to the utmost confidence : , _,Fotia.o'cLocK, p.si.—Sir.—The steamboat Traveller. Capt. W.hitney,.arrived at Niagara this morning at seven o'clock, from Toronto, which place he,left four-hours before.- 'The-boat, with a deputation. was despatched by the government for volun teers from th is diStrict, to the immediate aid of the government, and to retnrn forthwith. The reformers of the ,1 - Jorne district, it is said, reached . Toronto the night before last; in great numbers, (3.000,) when volunteers in behalf of the government were called to oppose their coming into the city, when a running fire took place. Col. Moodie, late of the . 101 th, was shot dead, and others be sides; a number-of prisoners were taken, among, whom are Archibald M'Donald (Sheriff Gore district) and (;01. Wells. .Sheriff Jarvis's house and. others were fired and burnt. The governor and his council are in the Market square. James Brown and three hundred volunteers are in the fort. Mr. Speaker M'Nah, with eighty volunte4s, leached the city yesterday. Col. W. Chisholm is expected to.day from Oak - - yille, with the volunteers he can get in aid of the government, and from Whitby a few yeomanry cavalry are looked for. The reformers have in their counsel br...lohu Rolph, and and others of high standing. Three flags of truce were sent yesterday to the government With the following terms • Ist. To dissolve the present pii - rliament. .2d. Grant an elective legislative council. 3d. That the governor leave the province in two weeks. • Qeeenston, U. C., Dec. 6. P.S.—While I write the militia are ordered to meet forth- With, at Niagara. It is thouglst that but few will attend the muster! (STILL LATER.) SIX O'CLOCK.—The Traveller left Niagara this afternoon with one hundred royal volunteers, under the command of Daniel M'Dougall, who was lieutenant in the militia at the battle of Queenston. The steamer Transit is lying off in the bay of Toronto, with the family of the governor and the public munitions. The militia are assembling at Niagara. Apprehensions are felt of an attack upon the town to-night, and preparations are tnaking for defence. .• • (Front the New York Commercial Advertiser, 13th Dec.) We hasten to coinmunicate the impurtant intelligence from Upper Canada, received by the northern snail of this morning. It will be seen that the insurgents have been defeated, and Sir Francis Head has issued a proclamation offering a reward of FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS for the apprehension of William Lyon M . Kenzie, who, it appears, was at the head of the insurgents. It is reported that the governor had sent back some of the volunteers who had come in, being persuaded that be had a sufficient force in the home district to prevent the in iturgents reaching the capital: , (From the New Fork Commercial Advertiser, Dec. 14.) BUFFALO, -SAM: DAY, Nov. 9.—The following communi cation was handed in. this Afternoon— ... It :will he seen to be pretty highly coloured by the writer's loyal notions, but its statement of facts can probably be relied upon, and as it gives a more full and particular account of the recent events at To ronto than has yet appeared, we are induced to make it pub.ic. BUFD A Lo, SATURDAY, 4 P.M.—To the Editors of the Daily Commercial Advertiser. Gentlemen—Having arrived here last evening, from To ronto, (which place I left yesterday morning,) and. being sur prised at the statement here, I take the liberty of giving von the facts, as I am acquainted, with every thing that has taken place there within the last few days. • The first symptoms of disturbance at Toronto occurred on Monday evening-, when it was discovered by the burning of Dr. Thorn's house, and •by several who had been taken pri soners and escaped; that the rebels, to a-considerable number, armed with rilles, spears, & c ., and headed by McKenzie, had advanced to within two miles and a half of the pity, proposing, as they have siucc declared, to take the city, rub the banks, and set it on fire. But the citizens, by this time being alarmed, armed them selves as they best could, and advanced to meet them, upon which the rebels retreated upon Younge street, as far as Mont gomery's, about 5 miles out, and there made their head-quarters. It must be understood that Toronto was at this time in a de fenceless condition—the whole of the troops having left some time-ago for Lower Canada; but no time was lost, arid never was a more animated scene than Toronto presented. Front all parts of the city, the loyal (both reformers and tories,) sere tollecting, together to receive arms and to concert measures for the defence of their wives, their children, and 'their sacred homes against• an infuriated and vicious rabble, led on by a bad, designing, and disappointed man. Orders were immediately issued by proclamation from the Adjutant General's office, for the militia to assemble under their colonels, and a call made on all the loyal men to assemble for the defence of their "Queen, ceuntrv, and constitution," and nobly was the call responded to. WI and young flocked to the standard of their country, by ,hundreds.—Steamboats were sent off to Hamilton and NialzaNfor militia and volun teers —the Hon. Speaker, MeNab, afterwards the commander, left Hamilton at the bead of about 200 volunteers, on board the steamboat Burlington, on Wednesday morning, and Colonel Chisholm, with as many mititia, a few hours after in a schoimer. —.- Messrs. Hamilton, Clarke, Gilkenson, and Captain Whitney, as a deputation from the governor, arrived at Niagara, at seven o'clock on Wednesday morning and left again at twelve, with 95 volunteers, under the command of Sheriff Hamilton, accom panied by Daniel McDougal, Esq., late of the line. They ar• rived almost at the same (line with the men of Gore, amid the cheer s of the assembled thousands from the wharves. They marched up in _front of the City Hall, were reviewed, and marched to the Parliament-buildings, where they received their arms and accoutrements, and ten rounds of ammunition each. Companies if men from Oakville, Whitby, Scarbotongh, and other neighbouring towns, were continually arriving, and on:Thursday morning, upwards of 4,0t0 stand of arms hail been given out. The troops intended to go in search of the rebels, and, consisting of about 2,000 men, having all been marshalled, and reviewed by the governor, were led out, about ten o'clock, by-him in person, up Yonge-street, where, it was said, the rebels, in force, were waiting for us. and with whom we came up, at about twelve o'clock, at Montgomery's tavern, their head quarters. They there appeared to be in considerable numbers, amount int to between five and seven hundred men; but from their ill chosen position, it was soon evident they could not make any effectual resistance; aad upon several shots being fired upon them from two small brass field pieces, they left the house and the road—a part of theiniaking up a, positiun in the woods on our left, an d the whets retroiting back - auit to our ri g ht 6.1 2" r first company, ionsistitiK —f in glart to 40 age.the enemy from rhe.wrod, which they iFd wea"ant style, in about fifteen minutes, killing_ about thirty, woundin..and fakir), prisoners a proportionate nutriber. followeethem about -. two miles—but Mackenzie and a greater number of his party got off by scattering and taking to the woods; and from our want of a suillaent number of cavalry, It wa s 'thought useless to follow them, they being completely, and, for th e sa k e o f society, it is to be hoped, effectually routed. 'We were ordered bad( to the city, where we arrived about five o'clock, amid the warm congratulations and joyful acclamation of the population, who consider themselves now free from any farther molestation from Mr. Mackenzie, and his murderous and lawless gang. The Niaga ra. vo l unteers, (of which I was one,) having left. hOrne, many of them without an hour's warning, and quite unprovided in purse or otherwise, and alarmed for the safety of.their own homes, (fur aiming other reports, it was said two hundered men were coining from Buffalo to take the place, desired and obtained leave from his Excellency to re turn which they did, per Transit, of yesterday morning, greeted by th e i r f r i en d s and several hundred of the militia, who were preparing to leave with the S. B. Britannia to join them. I need not farther add, that this movement made by McKenzie, in the present situation of the province, is con sidered by all parties as a mad attempt, and that McKenzie Must have been, to a certain extent, deranged, or with his ac knowledged shrewdness he could nut but have foresees the fatal t ertnination of his foolish attempt to overturn the government, as it is supported by the greater number, and possessed of most effectual means to put down sedition in any part of the province. • Long have M'Kenzie and a few such men as are to he found in - anv!coininunityi• agitated and disturbed the country, and complained of grievances, which n o b o dy saw or f e lt, an d ev e n enlisted the general sympathy of tha people of the United States, by praising their government, and the excellency of their government, arid the excellency of their institutions, (which nobody will deny.) holding our governthent up to scorn as oppressive, and raising the cry of Liberty ! Liberty ! But I trust hii deeds for the lam few days will withdraw the veil that has blinded people's eyes, and discover him in his proper colours. What more liberty do we want in . Canada a s a B r i t i s h pro vince ? But if we want more, heaven preserve us from such liberty as we should gain by cold blooded murder—(Coloncl Alronfie was murdered last Monday, in cold blood, because he refused, it is said, to lead on the insurgents) or by burning our. houses, robbing . the mail and individuals, and such other like actions as M'Kenzie and his party have been guilty of. P. S, Every thing was quiet when I left Toronto, except the bustle caused by the continued arrival of militia and volun teers, w h o were hailed with pleasure, not that they were ex pected to be needed, but because of the loyalty and attachment to the government, their ready offer of assistance evinced. I remain, gentlemen, yOUr obedient servant, ANGUS 111.!LBOD. Respecting the affairs of Lower Canada, we hav e the following intelligence from the New York Comutereial Advertiser, of December 16 : LATER FROM THE CANADAS. (Froni'the Montreal Transcript of Dec. 9.) On Thursday morning a party or the St. John's volunteers, under the orders of Lieut. Macdonald, brought into town three of the wretches who so wantonly and barbarously Murdered Chartratid. They had also six other prisoners, charged with political offences, who were all safely lodged for military custody, in the 1-16 use or Industry. Later in the day the John Bull steamer arrived from Sorel ; having on board a part of the troops which left Montreal under the eoniuriiitid of the Eloh. Col one l G ore. T hey brought up one prisoner, an old . man of 13 otirgos. wh o if not ass i st i ng, was at all events pregent at the murder of Lieut. Weir. About half-past four o'clock in the afternoon of the same day ' all.the state prisoners were delivered front the gaol into the custody of a military guard, and marched into the city. They . ivere lodged ih the late House of InduStry; (old gaol.) - The rebels from St. Enstace are stated to have sawed - through the linibers of one . arch of the bridge built by Mi. Porteous, anti Communicating from that disturbed district with the Island hf Montreal. Ni) port of the brid g e has been remov e d ; b u t i t is in that state, that should artillery, or ammunition, or . an y heavy load attempt to pass, it would probably be precipitated into the rapids, s uc h was at all events the intention of the operatUrs. ( From the Montreal Iferold of Dec. 9.) The remains of the late Lieut. Vs of her„ Majesty's 311 regiment. 4ere yesterday interred with the usual military honours. - All the ward and volunteer associations joined in th; procession, four deep, which was certainly the must numerous we ever saw in this country. The shops and counting-houses in the city were closed from One to three o'clock. The windows of the houses in the streets through which the procession passed. down ,to Queen-square, Wee crowded with females. The Hey. Mr. Esitin officiated at the burying ground, and in beautiffil language which found a response in every breast, alluded Id the untimely fate of this,. gallant young officer. The interment took plai;e in the military Portion of the Scotch burying ground in Queen-square. We are indebted to Mr. Wilson, of the news-room, for the following copy of an express received front Mt. Pierce. of St. Johns. Gagnon, who is reported as killed, was one of those for whose appr e h ens i o n a r ewar d o f £lOO ponndi was recently offered. "On Wednesday evening, the rebels under the eontioand of the famous Gagnon were returning from Swanton, Whither they_ bad be en 'ror t h e purpose of procu r i ng arms , t h ey were attacked. by a p ar t y o f th e . Mississgooi volunteers, at Sleore'S Cower; about two miles from Misiis,quoi Bay.• The result of the attack was the complete defeat of the rebels, (lagoon and four or five others were kiiled;seven or eight were taken prisoners, together %,‘ lilt. two pieces of brass cannon, forty itand of arms, two watrgiots with baggage, &c., and four casks Of.tio wrier. The volunteers had but one hour previous to the attack received their arms. They did not wait for the proper ttistributi-o of ilsoot, but broke open the cases and immedively, Went out to it eei the rebels: . . An express reached St. John's, with letters to the Hon. Ro bert Jones, stating the above faCtS, at 6 p.m. last evening. This messenger says the Opinion was current that Dr. Cott': was with the party, but hail the good luck' to escape." Felix L' Flossier. son of the seigneur of Varennes, was yes terday committed to prison on the charges of high treason and threatening to murder Mr. Pinette. Lord..Gosford has issued a proclamation, offering 2000 dollars for the discovery and apprehension of the murderefk of Lieut. Weir. It was .reported at Lewiston that a large body of insurgents was marching from the Western districts to Hamilton. Very doubtful. Mackenzie's delay in attacking Toronto was occasioned by the hope of reinforcements, his original intention of surprising the town being frustrated A letter from Rochester says that Messrs. Mackenzie, Rolph, and Bidwell had arrived at Lewiston. Not mentioned in the letter from that place. . _ _ . . Tlie same letter slys that 2000 dollars reward has been offered for the arrest of Mr. Bidwell. We give no credit to this report. PROCEEDINGS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL.—There are several matters in the report of .the Town Council pro• ceedings of Wednesday last which call for some re• marks. lAmong the most conspicuous of these we must cer tainly consider the extraordinary application, made by the notorious Samuel Knipe, for compensation for his services as objector-in-general to the burgesses of Liver pool. We never recollect to haVe met with such an un paralleled piece of impudence as this. After putting hundreds of the most respectable men in town to the trouble and annoyance of dancing attendance at the re gistration court, to meet the frivolous and groundless objections of this meddling upstart, he has the audacity to prefer a petition claiming payment out of the borough funds for his zeal and activity in his endeavours to rob the freemen of their rights! We wonder that the man had the temerity to venture upon the task of making his preposterous objections originally ; but we wonder still more at the brazen shamelessness he has displayed in claiming compensation out of the public funds . for his base trickery. We nniy, indeed, well exclaim, as we have before done in reference to the proceedings of our virtuous, liberals, " What bextr- We, suppose the next step will be that the undetlings of the Reform Associa tion will, one and all, put in similar claims for pecuniary remuneration out of the municipal treasury. In the next place, and with just as much reason, we may anti- cipate that the scribes of the radical papers of the town will demand compensation for their abuse of the tot ies, and their, servile apologies for the liberal acts of the "tyrant majority - in the'Town Council. We should very much like to know whether Samuel Knipe received any encouragement to present his extra ordinary petition from any member of the corporation. , Was there any promise. held out to him that his unrea sonable demand should meet with a favourable consi3e ration ? It is really difficult to imagine that he could have ventured upon so bold a step without some hint at the probable success of his application. Perhaps Mr. Walmsley can afford some explanation on this subject ; that distinguished orator of the Town Council having prompted Knipe to make the objections. We should not at all be surprised if Knipe himself should feel tempted to make some disclosures respecting this affair, seeing that his expectations of receiving compensation have been so grievously disappointed. The next topic to which we would direct the notice of our readers is, the report of the Dock Committee, as far as it relates to the resignation of Mr. Harvey, and the election of Mr. Vandenhoff as his successor. The letter of Mr. Harvey, containing his reasons for tendering his resignation, while it reflects the highest honour upon himself for his spirit and independence, affords another striking illustration of the grasping awl monopolising 'policy of our radical town councillors. It -is evident, from this document, that the hypocritical faction at the Town hall wish to exercise a complete and undivided control over the affairs of the Dock Committee. The representative members of that body have, in truth, no practical influence over the management of the impor tant trust confided to their care. The rate-payers, who are of all others the Most deeply interested, are equally destitute of any power, over the proceedings of the com mittee. Mr. Harvey did not conceive it to he consistent with the due exercise of his functions, as the solicitor to the Dock Committee, that all his documents or proceed ings should be subject to the revision of the Town-clerk. His resignation, therefore, reflected honour upon himself as an independent man of business, and, at the same time, evinced a proper regard for the interests of the rate-payers. •We can 'appreciate eaach Qtruistitic.rtvnni conduct as much in the case of a political adversary, as if it had happened to be exhibited by the .staunchest con servative. But what shall we think of Mr. Vandenhoff? He must have been cognisant of the motives which led Mr. Harvey to resign. He has, therefore, voluntarily consented to render himself the mere subservient agent of the Town clerk and the radical majority in the corpo ration. Whatever may be his personal qualifications for the office. to which he has been preferred, we are sure that the surrender which he has made of his independ ence will not tend to exalt his professional character. The discussion which ensued upon the produCtion of Mr. Harvey's letter is extremely curious and in structive. Mr. Birch manfully impugned the Conduct pursued by the factious majority in the Dock Committee, as calculated to bring the Council itself into contempt. He distinctly charged these individuals with a want of decency, and very justly remarked that such proceedings would have a tendency to prevent men of character and independence from offering themselves as candidates for seats in the Council. Mr. Hornhy and Mr. Leathom very properly justified the votes which they had given for Mr. North, on the ground that he was a more experienced lawyer, .and, therefore, better qualified' for the office, than Mr. Van denhoff. Mr. Walmsley's speech on this occasion is eminently jesuitical. He does not attempt to meet the charge made by Mr. Birch. He does not deny that political prefer ence dictated the selection of Mr. Vandenhoff. All he says is, that Mr. Birch had not proved that this protege' , of Mr. Wahnsley arid Alderman Evans " was incapable of perforMing the duties 'of the office l" _That was not the question at issue. The point for consideration was, the comparative claims of Mr. North and Mr. Vanden hoff. Was not the former more eligible person to fill tire situation ? Can Mr. Walmsley " derv" - this ? Can he deny that Mr. Vandenhoff was elected on. the ground of his having been the secretary of the Reform Associa tion, and that Mr. North, with his superior qualifications, was rejected simply &cause he was a conservative It is perfectly useless for our radical contemporaries to attempt to mystify the pUblicron the subject of the ap- pointment of Mr. Vandenhoff. This party proceeding is quite in character with the usual policy of the radical. faction. On all occasions, both in the exercise of local patronage and-in appointments to ,situations under go vernment, it has been the constant maxim of this party to overlook personal qualifications, for the sake of favour ing political partisans: During the sway of the tory party the liberals were loud and incessant in their denunciations of the alleged exclusiveness of their opponents. They contended with much apparent zeal and earnestness for an impartial ex ercise of public patronage, and insisted that merit in the individual should alone form the passport to office. Such was the language of these patriotic liberals. What has been their conduct ? Look at England, where they have crammed every . public office with their political adherents—where they have swamped the magistracy, as far as lay in their power, with the most zealous of their supporters—where they have, at an enormous sacrifice of the public funds, superseded so many old and tried pUblic servants, for the sole purpose, not of securing the more effifient discharge of the duties attached to such appointmiliers, 1)0, as in the cases of Messrs. Crooke, Curry, andNandenhofT, of rewarding those persons who have been the most active political agents of the liberal party. Alain, lOok at freland: Have.the liberals not done every thin^ in their power to purge the public offices— the magistracy—and the constabulary force of every sin cere Protestant and loyalist, for the purpose of promot ing the seditious minions of O'Connell and the Popish Pests? Has it not, therefore, become evident that the grand object i_4 11) . e radiCals has bee'n td obtain a Monopoly of power and natrotia2e ? Their .hypocritical cry was for refirin—their real end was self nOrandiSeinelit. _ The public are; however; open their eves to the humbug of these self-,styled reformers. They cannot mulch longer practiee their deceptions.; . The in• ielligent people" of England have dNeoVeted - th'at; hY =^. THE IAVERPOOI, STANDARD taining the reforms, which thev were instigated by ra;li• cat demagogires to dem;ind,. tiley have paid dearly for their Nviiistle. Already has the reaction in favour of eonservati ve principles in England all but nentraliped the Popish and radical majorities in .li-eland and Scotland. It will soon overwhelm the combined forces of the libe raN throughout the empire, and crush the imbecile Mi nistry that has so long unfortunately ,swayed our desti nies. Ozer their fall, and the humiliation of the despe rate faction by which they are supported, every true pa• triot, every loyal subject, and every honest politician will unfeignedly rejoice. most know that two lamps Wonld riot cost £25, or half that sift ; and he would also state that two streets which- were lighted by these two lamps paid more rite than would cover the cost of them to the community. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor CooliEn, in explanation, begged to state that he bad not been in Ditigle-lane, but made his statement from report. (Laughter..)_ , Mr. Alderman SHIRE. Said it would be perhaps necessary for the public not to be led away always to consider that lighting was a police arrangement entirely, anti that lights were not put up for the, accommodation of the parties who resided - in the out townships, but to be a protection to the police, and to prevent persons snaking their escape nom the police under the cover of darkness. That appeared to be the view which. was taken by the legislatnre when in the municipal act they had empotrred the lightits only-of the oat-townships. As to Mr. Cooper sav ing that-the people in the town were taxed for those out of the towri that was not the rase; the people in the town were taxed for.the protection of ;heir ova persons and property. The MaTon wished to make one remark. He diti, not wish to .stop the observations of any gentleman, but he thought Mr. Cooper should have made inquiries of the watch committee be fore he had take❑ the course he had. The proceedings were then confirmed. , MARKET COMMITTEE. The proceedings of this, committee were confirmed. TOWN-O A I,I,_EST_A RIISIIMENT COMMITTEE. Resolved, that Mr. Case's picture he allowed to be removed from the council-room up stairs, in the Town-hall, at the request of his relatives, to he copied. . Mr. Councillor H ENRY LAwr,ENce wished to know if a similar application had been made by : Sir Thomas Branrker's relatives, as he did not see his picture in the room. (A laugh.) The MAYOR said his picture was to be put up that day, and it would he in the pleasure of the ,council at which end of the room it was to,he put. for the best light . Proceedings ,confirmed. ErivcATtoN COMMITTEE. • Th e proceedings of this committee, together with that of the Cust o m-house committee, and the committee for superintending the pecuiary affairs of the corporatiou , churches, were confirmed. TOWN'S DUES CoMMITTEF. . The TOwll-CLE K read the followirig report:— That it he recommended to the council to authorise this com mittee to allow to steam -packet companies, and agents for, and masters of coasting vessels, being regular taaders, front and after the sth instant, a commission, not exceeding five pounds per centum, on the ammint of town dues duly declared accounted for, and paid over to tile receiver, under regulations to be pre scribed by the committee. And. the receiver having drawn the attention of the committee 16" the orders of the bye council of the sth January,. 1825, 2d 11ecember, 1829,, and at December, 1834, relating to town dues on various articles of merchandize,..and the power of re sumption of the former amount-of dues, reserved to the council .by the said orders, the committee, with the advice of the Town .cierk,. recommend, that it is expedient for the council to snake any order, and report that no order having been made, the dues upon the said a rkides will continue collectable, under the said (riders of the lat?couneil, according to the rate s th ere by a ll owe d s the power of the c o u nc il s till continuing reserved as therein ex pressed.. The report was confirmed. COURT OF REQUESTS COMMITTEE. The TOWN-CLERK read the following report, which was con firmed It was to the effect, that on - Thursday, the I9th December last, Willi am Lowndvs, Esq., the stipendiary commissioner of the CiMrt of Requests, while acting in the correct discharge of his duty, upon the - occasion of giving judgment in the open court bet ween two parties who were bet;,re hint, received fiom the chief clerk of the court, Mr. William Statham, an unpro voked insult, in language reflecting on the justice of the deci sion given by the commissioner: that on. the next day but one, Mr. Statham wade at apology in open coutt. which satisfied the commissioner solar that he was content to leave the subject without any personal feeling to the consideration of the com mittee. The- latter recommended to the council the lenient course of passing the offence, only so far as to make Mr. Sta tham's continuation in his office dependent on his future con duct and demeanour being such as the commissioner, the coun cil, and the public have a right to expect front him in his im portant office ofchief clerk of the Court of !inquests. In case of any further misbehaviour, then that offence and the present one to be taken into consideration by the committee as to the proper punishment deserVed. DOCK COMMITTEE. The TOWN -CLERK proceeded to read Mr. Harvey's letter of resignation of his office of solicitor to the docks, of which the fulloWing is a copy " North Ahn-street,lsth December, 1837. "To Robert 13enn, Esq., deputy-chairmau of the Dock Com mittee. Dear Sir,_l have again maturely considered the question upon which I troubled you with a call yesterday, and which you desired me to re-consider. "Trom a careful re;ie; of the constitution and powers of the dock committee controlled as th a t b o dy i s by th e t o w n co un c il, acting in a ll things under the advice of their town-clerk, I have come to the deliberate conclusion, that, as solicitor of the dock trustees, I can never feel assured that 1 ant acting as the exclu sive and indefkindent solicitor of that corporation; but must alway s labour under this disadvantage ; —that it is in the power of tho se members of the town council who ate also members of the dock committee, or of any one of them, or of any other memb e r of the council, at all times, to procure - a supervision, by the Town-clerk, of all documents framed by the Dock Solicitor for the Dock Committee, and all advice "given by him to them, and, in short, all business done for them, - in relation to matters which must necessarily form part of their proceedings, and therefore be laid before the council for confirmation or 'ejec tion ;---And further, that if any such member take the ground of desiring to prevent the rejection of any such documents or proceedings in the last stage, he may suggest and bring about a revision by the Town-clerk, antecedent to adoption by the Dock. Committee themselves. "Now, 'altin'tug . h it is usual, and highly necessary, that a soli citor should have the power of consulting counsel upon any question of law, and should .even be under the obligation to do so, if dire'cted by his client, although against his own convic tion (Attie necessity for it ; vet, if a client make it a condition with his solicitor, that lie shall, whenever required, submit do cuments, proceedings, or advice, which he frames for or givesto his client, to the revision of some of her solicitor, touch more, if the being subject to such a power of revision be almost necessa rily inherent in the nature of his employment ;—then it is my decided , :opbtion that, to a solicitor sa eircoinstanced, there is not allowed that inoripcouvo t course of action, without which nn proresSion4 man can - carryon business in a manner consist ent, with the duty he owes to himself. •‘ If. I ant asked why, entertaining these views. I ever under took the appointment of Dock Solicitor, the only answer I have to make in my own behalf is this;-1 bat it did nuit necessarily follow that the large powers, which lie hid in the veto-section of the 'Dock Act of 6 Geo. 4. would he worked nut, in a way, which would lead to the Dock Solicitor becoming, in fact, a subsidiary officer to the Town-cle'rk ; and further I am hound to admit, that not only at the titre of my appointment (lid I not see all the extraordinary consequences which may spring from that power of veto„but that it is owing to retest circumstances, and to the line of conduct which certain members of your body have thought it their (July to the council to pursue, that I have been led to consider, and to perceiVe (as I now do) in their full f o rc e , all the important, results to which that power may be made to lead.—lt is not within my province to enter into this subject more :fully; and I wish to he considered as alluding to those results, only so,far as they effect the position of the Dock Solicitor. ~"Influenced by the foregoing considerations, I beg, most respectfully to resign into the hands of the Dock' Committee the appointment they - did me the high honokr to confer upon me; and ,to request that you will do,ine the favour to communi cate my resignation to the committee.—l remain, sir,-most res pectfully, your faithful servant, "TEIONIAS. HARVEY." Note.—Alderman leitthorn, the chairman, was at this time absent from Liverpool , . It was resolved that Mr. vey!s resignation be accepted. Resolved, that Mr. G. Vandenhoff be appointed in the room of M tvev. Proceedings confirmed. 111 r. Councillor Muni( (who spoke so very low that at first we heard hiin very imperfectly,) said it was not then his inten tion to oppose the coufirmation of that report, because he con sidered,that the, veto possessed, by the council ought never to e help exer t regret at .th a t part of the proceedings which referred to the recent appointm en t o f a so li c i tor to t h e Dock estate.. It wae quite natur a l f or M r. Vandeiihoff to wish b e x i a s r e e il ssi e n I g ct' h p is t vet.strongly called f or; b ut h e cou ld nut to proinote his own interests in the world in every honourable way ; and although he could not admit his fitness for the offire to which he had been appointed, he was very willing to bear his t es timony in favour of his character. But he did think it of very sleep concern, a concern which he was sure was partaken in by a very large body of intelligent individuals in the town, that the character of the council should he in the slightest decree injured in the estimation of the public by the adoption of the principle in filling official vacancies, of looking to po litical opinions as the exclusive qualifications for office, tend which thereby .mach the interests of a large and valuable trust subservient to the objects and views merely of a party. •( Hear.) Pe was sure they must all of them very well remember the odium, he might, perhaps, call it the disgrace whir-h had been cast upon the old corporati on b y t h e i r appo i ntment to t hi s ve r y Alic e , o f a young man, respectable every way in himself and hi s connexions, yet wanting in the requisite of professional qualifications for the office. Now he would ask, was it right, was it proper, nay, was it decent that they who had merely changed places with the old corporation, should, at that MO ment, pursue the very source which they had been the first and foremost to denounce ? ( Hear. } He could not pretend to be indifferent to advantage of party combinations; he knew they were necessary for tat Eying out great principles and other objects; he would not deny that his owl' course of conduct, were the qualifications of the patties equal, would be in favour of,a gentleman of his own poliitical opinions; ,but he could not admit. that party coriabihations ought ever to be carried to that Buren, and still less could he admit that mere conformity of po litical .opinion should be taken as the rule and measure of pro fessional qualifications. (Hear.) If they were to recognize the principle that 12 gentlemen,- or any other members forming a majority of the committee were to hold preparatory meetings in order to fix on. the candidate of their choice, with the dis tinct agreement that the inferior section of the committee should give up their feelings to the dictation of the others, they at once admitted a principle of action which could not fail to be injurious to the public interests, and which must invariably bring on. the ruin of the party itself. For what was this hut a single person, who happened, perhaps, to have a larger share of personal energy, so to, canvass the interests of the separate indj viduals of his own party as to gain over a majority to his views, and those, when it came to the trial, to ride over the judgement; perhaps, of their .wiser and more considerate colleagues. But let them look to the effects of this on the public interests. It ' amounted to a virtual exclusion of the very best men in the town from the office altogether, for they might be, very sure that gentlemen of high standing in the profession, gentlemen of great legal attaimnents, andlarge professional experience. would never submit to place their merits in competition with others if they happened to possess the superior recommendation of political devotion and greater attachment trilhe dominant party. The consequences would inevitably be, if the proceedings to which he had alkided were to be brought before the council as they merit he, and if gentlemen who- dissented froiii thetn must sustain the frowns of their party, ihe effect might be ulti mately, that gentlemen of character and independence would hardly be found to offer themselves even its candidates for office. These were his opinions on the subject; whether they were shared in by other gentlemen must remain to be seen. He was contented for himself, that he should ,e relieved froin being supposed to give a silent acquiescence in a principle of suction which, sooner or later, if persevered in, must hring on the ' moral decline of that party to whit hhe wag-by principle attached, but which he was much more anxious to sustain in the respect and good opinion of the public, than in the irre sponsible. poisession .of patronage (so we understood Mr. Birch, who here, spoke exceedingly low). M.. Burch sat down amidst partial applause; : the out and out, thick and thin sup potters of .whiggisin and Jobbery maintaining a profound silenee. Nlr. CounCillor EARLE wished to correct a mistake in what Mr. Birch had stated; there was one diffeience in the parallel he had drawn— , • The MAYOR rose to order: • There was no motion before the council. If any member wished to rise in reply ; he thought it ought to be permitted, but not any discussion. TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. On Wednesday the usual monthly meeting of the council was held. The Deputy TOWN CLEtt K opened the proceedings by read ing the minutes of the last meeting. THE FINANCE COMMITTF,E. It was ordered that a fixed salary be given to the inspectors of weights and i measures: The A Volt, in reference to this subject, said he had felt it his duty to tell the inspectors of weights and measures to give a week's notice to the merchants, that they should examine their weights. Mr. Councillor WALMSLEY wished to - know whether that notice was given to all or confined to the merchants? The M You said it had been given to the tradesmen some time ago, and he thought it but fair that they should now begin to correct their own house. The report further set forth, that a memorial had been re ceived from Mr. Samuel Knipe, prayirg for compensation fiir haying objected to a number of freemen who were improperly placed on the B o rough roll. The committee had resolved that this application could not be complied with. At the conclusion of the reading of the proceedings of the committee, which did not relate to anything of public interest, ' Mr. Councillor HAuLE begged to make some remarks on one part of the prirceedings, and in doing so he must say that he had had no conversation with the parties interested. Mr. Radler, of the Adelplii, was desirous of puxhas'ing a piece of land behind his hotel, and the finat ice comm i ttee i nten d e d putt i ng it up for sale by auction; applic a ti on ' s had been made f or th e same p i ece of land for a chapel and a l so . f or a school, and supposin g th e school to get it, he did think that a school in the immediate neighbourhood of the hotel, wooli: he an intolerable nuisance; and he (lid think that the council ought to protect that hotel, Mr. Hadley having expended so much money on it, audit being so great an ornament to the town, and so many strangers going there. They had removed the cattle market, in order nut to be a nuisance, but this would be a greater one". He therefore begged that this part of _the, report he - referred hack to the finance. committee. The Ms rot/ inquired on what grounds? They had themselves made a.standing order that all land should be offered up by auction. Mr. Councillor EARLF...—Then, in what place is Mr. Radley if persons buy that laud for a school The Ma yan.—l only thought it my duty to state that resolu tion of the council. Mr. Councillor WALLACE - CURRIE did not agree in the ob servations of Mr. Earle, that a school would he a - greater nui sance than the cattle mat ket. Mr. Councillor EARLE.-1 meant on account of the children there. (A laugh.) Mr. Councillor W. Crantk.---Children are not a species of cattle that are such a nuisance. (Hearand a laugh.) Mr. Councillor - EARLS.-1 wish you had a school opposite your own house. Mr. Councillor W. CURRIE apprehended that Mr. Eerle's fears were chimerical. He did not hesitate to say that the land was more desirable to Mr. Radley than to any other per son ; at the same time he did not think that on that account they ought to depart from their usual course, He dui nut think that any person would be so ungenerous as to string up Mr. Radley to buy the land at an exorbitant price, lest they should themselves be caught. He could not help thinking that Mr. Radley must take his chance with other parties. They could not possibly obtain the real value of the land without putting it up to auction. Mr. Councillor COOPER did not see why the resolution that all land should be put up to public auction should he. departed, from to suit Mr. ltadley or any other•person. 11e must de cidedly opposed it. Mr. Councillor EAR LE rose, as he said, " to reply nnl y . ,, The MAyou said, the only course he could take con s i s t en tly with the madding order, would be to move that the standing or der, with respect to that particular spot of land Should be suspended. Mr.Councillor•EAßLE wished it to be understood that he did not make these observations from any motives of favouritismtr; Mr. ltadley, but wished to guard the public who visited Liver pool and went to that hotel, from having any nuisance near the house. And, whatever his friend Mr. Currie might say to the contrary, 201) or 300 boys turned out of a school two or three times a day, was a very serious nuisance; and he was only sorry if he (Mr. Currie) found it so very agreeable, that h e had not a school near his own house. Mr. Councillor JORDAN thought Mr. Radley was entitled to a preference fur the purchase of any „round, as the tow n wa s indebted to him fur the handsome architectural ornament which he had made his hotel. And as to a school, he would rather have 200 or 300 cows or bullocks near, than lads, who did. nothing but scream. Mr. Councillor CURRIE stated, that he had received intima. Lion that applications for the land fur a school or chapel had been withdrawn. The proceedings of the committee were then confirmed. , LEASES AND IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEES. . . The proceedings of the leases and improvement committees were read and confirmed. WATCH COMMITTEE. • Among. the- proceediiigsaniresolutions. of this committee there WhS an order, that the officers of police were to do their utmost to enforce the provision of the by-laws relative to sun on the dock quays, and going into Warehouses with uneu closed lamps. There was a further resolution on the dirty state of the foutwalks in the town. [The Mayor said, an order had been issued, that the inhabitants should sweep before their doors in compliance with the by-law.] It was further ordered, that the • names of the several streets in the town should be placed upon the gas lamps in such streets, in the same manner as in Lord-street. It that anv policeman or memberof the consta bulary force, asking or receiving any gratuity or christmas-box flout any person should be dismissed the service.' The lighting of a part of the oul-towuships was deferred till next September. 'Mr. Councillor SMITH wished to know why the lighting of Edge-lane had been deterred? The inhabitahts had a right to Complain that they were rated for ligh'ing, and had no light within a quarter of a mile from their residences., lie thou g ht Mr. Walmsley woul d recollect, that thi s was contrary to an agreement entered into in 1836. Mr. Councillor WALMSLEY said, it had been arranged, and the arrangement had been made known, that there would be an inspector to each ward in the town, and that if any of the inha bitants complained of want of light, when they applied to the watch committee, their complaint was referred to two inspectors of the district to report on ; if they reported favourably, a light was placed; arid if not, the parties were informed, that their re quest could not beComplied with. The Watch committee, after the suburbs were supplied with light, thought it was necess try to appoint a special committee for the purpose of seeing whe ther the lighting could nut be carried to the extent of the boun daries. That committee had taken considerable pains, and had reported to the committee,' that he whole of the buundaties should be lighted, specifying the streets, and in most places where the lights should be placed. The report had again been referred to them to . slate those parts which should be first light ed; which would be most useful for the inhabitants of thesbo rough; and that report had been read to them. lie could not immediately. refer 'to the part of which Mr. SMith spoke, as it could not be supposed that the chairman of the committee could have a knowledge of every lamp; but had Mr. Smith informed hitn of this before, he should have been very happy to have given him every information. The lighting of Vauxhall-road, Smithdown-lane, &c., was first ordered, and the remainder of the boundtuies to be finished by next September. If they at tempted to light the whole now it would be impossible to do so before the lights would be unnecessery. They hail, therefore, lbougbt it best to get on with those lights.which were most . needed. In the meantime all the pipes would be laid dawn. Mr. Councillor Salm said, he was net asking any particular favour fur his constituents; all they required was to.be placed on the same footing as their neighbours. They rated them but they would not light them. Mr. Councillor G. H. LAWRENCE WORM ask if inhabitants residing a quarter of a mile from any light were obliged to pay a rite? Mr. Councillor WA LMSLET said, it was for the watch con mittee to say whether certain places should be absolved from paying rates. Formerly parties had been al•'solved on being at some particular distance from any light, as fifty yards for in stance: But that - would be alone in the sub -committee of the watch committee whether certain places should wit pay those rates. They were compelled to lay the rate in the first instance; still it would be in the discretion of the committee to say, whe ther it would be right for certain parties to pay that.rate. Mr. Councillor JOHN SMITH read part of a resolution on the subject—`• Resolved, that the-iates shall only extend to those parts actually ligh►ed." His constituents complained, that they were not lighted, and vet they , paid the rates. Mr. Councillor JonJouOA N said, if the parties had applied to the watch committee, they would have immediately inspected the complaint. 'Mr. Councillor WALmst,EY said, this was an arrangement which had been made the previous year, and the arrangemeut applied to the whole borough. A sub-committee would be ap pointed for the purpose of inquiring whether any persons could be absolved from the rate. ' •' Mr. Councillor JOHN SMiTti was' perfectly satisfied. Mr. Councillor GOGLAN thought it important in future, that when any gentlemen felt agrieved, and felt it necessary to make statements, that he would previously inquire of the watch com mittee, and receive from them the reasons which appeared to them sufficient to justify their refusal for not carrying into effect that which was complained of. If the answer appeared not satisfactory, it was then quite competent and the duty of any member to bring it before the council. Such a line of conduct would .nave time, and prevent iinproper feeling from getting abroad. He wou,td suggest that that was the proper course. Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE did not think any gen tleman should be debarred from making any observations. Mr. Councillor COOPER sai.f, it was rather strange to call on the poor inhabitants of some of the streets which were not light ed to contribute to light the outer townships, which paid no portion of the rate. Dinglelsne was ordered to be lighted, and only one or two houses were there, and that lane would cost at least £25. It was, therefore, very hard on those parties who; in the town, had whole streets unlighted, to be called on to contri bute to the rate for the benefit of the out-townships. Mr. Cooper was proceeding to enumerate varicus places in the town which were not lighted, when The MAYOR said it would lake up much time to go round the the town; he had better make • those statements to the watch committee. Mr. Councillor COOPER thought he was quite in order. Mr. councillor BRIG HT wished to ask the Town-clerk whet her the watch committee had not a sovereign power on these ques tions, and whether they ought to come before the council at all ? The TOWN•CLERK said this question came before the watch committee not in their capacity of watch committee but as a lighting Committee. • • Mr. Councillor Coof , 'Ea thought he was quite in order, inas• much as he had not a seat iu aoy of those committees. He lhought he had a right, for the beriefit Of fbe r ubtic, to object to this Mode of lighting. The fact had been stated, that Liverpool was One (tithe wo.-st lighted towns in all England. (Cries of " No," " No. " No.') The lainps were also placed at much too great a distance in the town. (A err of •' Name.") lie would name Gower-street, which was wholly built up, and there was not A lamp in it:- He merely named these things to draw the atterition of the lighting committee to them. COuneillor VV:%:l.l%isi.Ey said 111 r. Cooper had-made, one flinplaint to which he should allude. So far as the charges against the watch committ e e went, he'hopeillhe paving board was equally well attended to. 1111. Cooper h,ul referred to Din gle-lane, and had stated that it would cost.E2s, and that there wera•only one or two houses in it. There vere.onlydwo lamps, fta 6'144 th'eie,'Eiri'd . gi:Coop . er ficini his expel ietl6. . . . Mr. Councillor tart LE only wished to - correct a statement of Mr. Birch ; he was not going to jaStify the appointment, hut there was a material difference between this appointment atoj the one to which Mr. Birch had alluded, wade by the old corgi poration. The MAYOR wished to be in order. Would Mr. Earle move that the resolutions be confirmed'! Mr. Councillor Bieco understood that there was a mutton to that effect, or he would not have Spoken. The MAYOR begged pardon. Mr. Councillor EA R LE. merely wished to correct Mr. Birch in one pal Ocular, as to what had been done on the last appointment of the old corporation- In that appointment, the choice was made from two gentlemen of the same political principles, one a very old and skilful man, and the other a very yiting one, who had been his apprentice; but, notwithstanding, they chose the young man, though of the sante political Opinions. Mr. Councillor Biech.—l believe there were two or three candidates of the same politics on this occasion, and I believe the committee chose the youngest. (A laugh.) Mr. Councillor EA R 1.E.-1 was only going to put the council in possession of the difference. (Continued laughter.) Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE said, if he understood right, from Mr. Harvey's letter, for he was not paying parti cubit. attention at the time it was reading, not being aware. of the importance of it, the ground - of his resignation was, that he did not choose to submit his ovinion to that of any other person, or consent to act under any other solicitor? Mr. Alderman Le. (Those—That is the substance. Mr. Councillor H. LAWRENCE • continued.—Because, so far as. his knowledge went, he conkd not conceive that any respect able solicitor could so place himself.. If he were not fit to act on his own opinion he ought not to have been appointed. He had always' considered Mr. Harvey as a most respectable gentleman in the profession, and Whose - talents did him very great credit; and he therefore could not see how he could place himself in the situation which the Dock Committee would place him in, more especially as the veto was in the council. If he was to. consult the Town-clerk, for whom he (Mr. Lawrence) had the highest respect. he was still placing, hithself more under the etoithed ; and he did not think that any independent . person coula have acted otherwise than he had done; and he there fore regretted that the resignation had taken place. Concurring in the sentiments of Mr. Birch—sentiments which did him the highest credit, he felt called upon to speak his concurrence. in them, and to express his high' opinion of the jus;ice which Mr. Harvey had done to his ovitn character.' The Ma volt said the only mistake was; that the solicitor of the dock estate was never asked to suhaiit his opinion. He was simply asked to confer with / the Tiiwn-clerk, to be put in possession of opinhats upon which he was to act. It .was a course uniformly adopted in the House of Lords and in the House of Commons, to the great convenience of the public; but no man was made superior to another by that proceeding. Therefore the whole 4q.npuent of Air. Harvey fell to the ground. r, Councillor Josetql HouNny said, in the committee, on foraier occasions, he had certainly. voted for Mr. Ntrirth, when a candidate, as he considered him ai far more eligible man ; but he had not considered that on that account he should in future vote.tOr Mr. North if he'fontid an equally eligible man brought fOrward at the same time.. At the time when Mr. Harvey was elected, he had voted for him as an equally eligible inan with Mr. North, He-was sorry that Mr. Birch should.have. made the remarks that he had done, and thrown out that they had voted on other considerations, on account of his political prin ciples, for Mr. Vandenhoff. (Hear.) He disavowed that en tirely; he believed the gentlemen themselves took all the measures they pos s ibly coul d t o sa ti s fy themselves-that he was perfectly fitted for the situation. The result of their. inquiries w as , that he had gone through a regular education, that he was a man of very rising talents, and they were all ctinvinced, from their personal intercourse with him, that he was in every respect eligible and proper to fill the situation of dock solicitor. Ile wished to state this in order that it might nut he considered that they rested with the imputation of merely appointing union for his political principles. t" Hear" from the whigs, ansWered ironically by the tories.) . If he hail not thought him as lit as any other candidate. he would not have voted for him. Mr. Councillor WA IMSLEY was merely going tis observe that he thought before Mr. Birch had brought sue imputations against the Duck committee, he should have given them some grounds—he should at least have shown to the council that Mr. Vandenhoff was not capable of filling the office, or he should have shown that any one of the candidates was better qualified than Mr. Vandenho ff for the office. He (Mr. - Birch) he thought had failed, or not attempted to prove any of these things; and, perhaps, before bringing this imputation against the council, it would have been his duty out of doors to have ascertained this.. In reference, to what had fallen. from the member for Rodney street ward, Mr. Harvey was not requested. as had very pro perly been said, to see the Town-clerk at all ; but the Dizek so licitor found front the act of parliament relative to the docks, that he hail not the power of making bye-laws relative to fires close to the Dock quays, the council only having the power of making those laws.. He believed that a sub-committee of the council, on the bye-laws, did propose certain bye-laws for the better government of the Dock quays to prevent fires there6n; But though these laws were desirable to be held in abeyance for a certain time, until ariangements could be made with the Dock committee. for jointly carrying them iato effect, it was with the view that the Town-clerk and Dock solicitor should consult; or, if beneath the dignity and professional character of Mr. Harvey, to consult with the Tit wn-clerk on such an important consideration. to consult stone of the conned. The result had been that the bye-laws which had at first been proposed, had been toiallY altered; and, though the bye-laws brought before the Dock - committee had been so altered, he was prepared to say, there yen as they now stood, if brought before the council, the council would pause on them; .and he 'did not know whether they would not go further and put a veto on them. Counsel's opinion had been ordered to be taken, whether these bye-laws could be passed or not, and the result of that would show whe ther the weathers of that committee had acted a proper part er not, as respected the professional capability of Mr. Vandenhoff for the office of Dock solicitor; he, fur one, believed that he was fully capable—that he was a young man of great talents, and rising rapidly in his professisn; that he had served a re gular apprenticeship to his profession, with credit to himself, and he believed he held the good opinion of a great portion of that council, not only as a professional man, but as a private cha racter; anti his appointment was worthy of the Dock -trust, and he firmly believed he would be an honour and a credit to it. Mr. Alderman LEATH AM said, he regretted extremely on his return from London, to find that Mr. Harvey had determined to give in his resignation, lie *as not aware that he- was la beuring under such great dissatisfaction ; but it appeared that his mind was made up urialterably.. lie (Mr. Harveyf had called Op him , and told lima that. the committee were to meet, that.Oo consideration whatever snout,' liiM in With draw his letter. It was what he regretted exeeedingly,'because, after an experience of 12 months, Mr. Harvey had shown the greatest talents, and that he possesSed great diligence and assiduity; and he believed that he had shown the result of tto siderable experience in his profession. They were consequently brought to the election of another solicitor, and five presented themselves. Two of these withdrevit their pretwisiens on the morning of the election, and three consequently remained, Mr. North, Mr. Vandenhoff, and Mr. Robinson. No Pierson pro posed Mr.. Robinson, and consequently they went to the vote for the other two. He wishetl:to speak as to his own vote; ter' though he had refrained from looking at the newspapers, he Un derstood that he was reflected on for voting for Mr. North. It had been stated that no person was so well qualified as Mr. Vandenhoff. Mr. North having had considerable experience'. —an experience of twenty years, and halving acted fur a large Jody o f merchants in protecting their p o w ers , he had made him self very fully acqua i nted with the bearings of the Dock Acts; and. from Mr. North also being the solicitor to the Harrington Dock Company, which had given him a further insight into the dock questions he therefore did think, independently of a pri vate friendship for Mr. North, that he was the fittest man for the purpose. lie looked to no distant period to their being coin pelted to go into parliament; and he therefore reflected in him self in the choiCe of a solicitor, who would be the most fit and prober person to accompany a deputation to London I'M- their defence and advice there. ' From what he had learnt of Mr. Vandenhoff, he was a very young man and one who had little or no expereince in parliamentary practise and any person must know that much 'experience was required in transactiog that description of business . ; he therefore gave his conscientious vote for Mr. North, and if required would vote so again on the ground that he had a greater knowledge of the Dock LaA.s and of parliamentary business. But this subject of bye-lans WaS not the w hole ground of Mr. II arvey's discontent •he had had long conversation s w ith th e T own-Clerk and had ' heel) led dis tinctly to understand that he was to submit:himself to the Town Clerk (cries of "no," " no.'') He ( Mr. Leathum) believed that that was his perfect understanding; and he was borne out in his belief by the Tow n Clerk having said to hini (Mr. Leathom) that he should investigate the powel3 of the council in the govern ment of the Dock gstate; that he should insist on (he sovreignty of the council in the management of Dock afflits, and expressed his own desire to be the mover and projector of things connected with the estate. Ile (Mr. Leathom) therefore said, he was not sufficiently conversant. with the DOck Laws to know how the question hung and desired Mr. Harvey to see him. He (Mr Leathom) therefdre from that circumstance aft Mr. Harvey's declamation to him and from-the circumstanhes at he had re lated, imagined that Mr. Harvey's resignation had in a great measure not only been the result of what h.-o 1 been stated by Mr Wahnsley. but that he had felt that he must be, on all occasions subservient to and dictated to by the opinion of the Town Clerk for whom, he (Mr. Leathom) said' with great sincerity, he bad a great respect both personally and for his legal ability. He did think that Mr. Harvey was borne out in the tenor of his letter, and if he (Mr. Leathom) had been the solicitor to the Dock Estate he would have acted precisely as Mr. Harvey had done. (Hear.) He was exceedingly sorry for what might be the re 7 snit if Mr. Vandenhoff was found not to possess Sufficient expe rience. Mr. Alderman EviNs said they had heard a great deal about Mr. Harvey; he entertain e d a great resp e ct f or him and all his, connexions, but he did assure that council . that he (Mr. Harvey) . had 'met with approvals of his conduct anywhere but amongst his connexions.. Mr. Harvey adluitted that there was a an premacy lying hid in the dock acts, which gave a supremacy to the Town-clerk ; not only did the Town-clerk offer to waive all that supremacy, but ultimately they (the committee) . did nut urge it, but tecommended a friendly and free conference with the view to an arrangement, so that whether opposed or not, the dock committee might not meet with a rebuff from that council, which he hoped would never be given in th e Way of annulling the moceeding s of the committee. They were con , ' tending rather for the independence of the dock corninittee and ifs solicitor, than in endeavouring to put him in an unbecoming position.as an independent man. He was not asked to do any thing of right, but the committee wished that these two profes sional men might never differ, both standing equally high with the public, and not leave their agreement to chance. Now, so far for Mr. Harvey; he must ascribe his conduct to a morbid and mistaken sensibility, and there he left it. With regard to, the other atMointinent, the question narrowed itself to the mere capacity of the Man ; they were not aware that' that could be impugned: He contended that that Was an improper subject for the discussion of the council. There was a discretion in the dock committee, and unless the council could show that they had appointed a man who was not competent to the office, it was out of the Jurisdiction of the council. He said it was a vio lation of, couitesy to those who were r esponsible to the d o ck committee, to brin g suc h c h arges as that. Now they had heard nothing but vague declarations against Mr. Vandenhoff. He had made it his business to confer with those who were qualified to give an opinion —with a very eminent barrister—he meant locally eminent —(a laugh)—who, knew all the professional men in Liverpool, w h o h a d sa id t h at a l though Mr. Worthington w as a very clver.gentleman, they had named one clever man who was every Way competent for. the offer., TgeY had all the evi dence on :their side, and nothing brought forward to j ust if y t h a t discussion. It was very easy for gentlemen to lay hold of a fart to preach moral sermons on; he could do that direCtli; he could preach moral sermons no general principles. (Laughter.) But there should be some ground for endeavouring to inflict a stigma ,upon the gentleman - who had been fidfillingihetTu * st. Ile would n more particularly to the matter; he would not have named Mr. North on any account; he never would have named any man who had made an attempt to keep the do,•ks from the corporation..„ He was deputed as one of thirteen to preserve, the corporate influence in the docks.. It was their duty to have se,t their faces against Mr. North; and if they had not acted as they had dune they would have betrayed their trust. tie knew no:t, what all this meant about introducing party work into the .Connell; p he would recommend gentlem e n nut to - try that subject, forif it was opened on one side it would be on the other, and the merits of parties would be discussed, and the. (ranger of appointing men into the head ?laces' of the country- either of on, tie thought t nariov,eu it 'orin fact a office, that ' wise.. Mass lieved he wa, corporation was ttoiir .undeu duty. as representatives of that ilatincil not to elect any gentleman of that sort.• • ( }Lear.) The MAYOR said, there was no motion, arca he presumed the proceediugs were email med. •• Mr. Councillor COOPER here rose and said;. he should move,_ that that part or the proceedingi be referred back with respect to the dock committee appointment. The MAYOR said, he bad sat down. If gentlemen of the Evan cil thought he should open the subject he would; but itlras against all order. • Thir. Councillor EARLE—People should screw up their cour age at once. MR CURRIE'S PICTURE. . • . „ The MAYOR read a letter from Mr. JanteS Aiken, aceompa- : nyirrg the portrait of William Wallace Currie, Esq , which he delivered to be hung up in the council-room. The subscribers had selected Mr. Philips as the artist, and it now became his, pleasing duty to present hi tlie council, a pict..ire not only faith ful as a likeness,.but highly creditable to British art. He c%n graiulated, the council on receiving - it. Mr Councillor WALLACE CURRIE,: could not suffer this subject to pass without one woid. He could only say this—that the picture which was in thal room- would always be to him -a. re membrance of hie honourable approbation which the Council. had entertained of his conduct; and he should -still continue to endeavour to merit that approbation not - only from the council, but from the public at iaige. NOTICE TO SHIPWRIGHTS, The Mayok placed in the,hands o f t h e T own • r j er k a memo rial, which the latter said was signed by the following gentle s , men: Messrs. Humble and Milcrest, John D. Gray Son and Co., WilLa o Seddon, Lomax and Wilsim, P. Challoner, Sous, and C Ma t iew Glover and Co., John Dawson and Co., Thomas Hobert Clarke and Suns, Bannister and Simpson; .I.rseph Steel, Hasehien, Pearson, and Troughton. The memo rit ran as to.lows:— " We the undersigned shipbeilders - of the port of Liverpool, having, received notices, dated the 15th instant, td quit the pre mises we now occupy, on the Ist day of July next, or be subject ed to a considerable increase of rent, beg most respectfully tn call your attention to the following observations.on the subject. and it is of so much importance, not only to ourselves, but alsts to the general interests of the port, that We hope it may be taken into Your most serious consideration. " From the naturt, of our business it would be impossible for its in almost all instances, (as it is in the present 4 to give up' possession of the shipbuilding yards we now occupy, at a notice of only six months, as vou are aware that there are not other premi s es within the port that we, rould rensoVe to. We are ; therefore, entirely at your mercy, and hope the peculiar cir ininstauees of our case may be•duly,tonsidered, for, upon your decision, 'it depends whether shipbuilding is to be continued in Liverpool, or that the immense amount expended in so doing, is ki he laid out an some !nuke favoured outpost, nut only to the loss and detriment of our native tradesmen and mechanics, but likewise to the Dock arid Corporate Estates, and thecommercial, cenninunity generally. . "We have been at considerable expense in erecting saw-pits, - workshops, &c., (although not possessing a lease on the premi ses,) we are prevented from having either building yards, or graving docks of our- own, which. privileges are enjoyed in almost all other ports, and, create not only considerable piofit to the shipbuilder, but also a great economy in the repairing of vessels, the charges being,much lets than those of this port; as the Graving Dock rates now exist here, the same charge is made for ten toles as for twenty-four. And it frequently occurs thab.two vessels have each. to pay a full &teapot hen they have occupied the tame berth taillin the twenty-four tides. The incon venience arising from the extreme distance the Graving Docks are situated from - each.other,.has nut only made it necessary for us to have two establishments, but has created a further ex pense, in being obliged to employ additional foremen, and has made it quiteimpossible to give the personal superintendence we could wish to those vessels we niay have had in hand. These circumstances have already-made it difficult for us to compete with the outposts, in either the repairing or building of vessels, and if the latter be discontinued, au additional expense to the former will be the consequence, as the number of oui.appren4 tices must be decreased, and the importation of timber, as well as every other article used In the building and repairing of yes . sels,he greatly reduced. " beg, therefore; most respectfully to request that a depu tation ft om our body maybe allowed to wait upon you, before any final measures are adopted, and we confidently hope we. shall be able to prove that the shipbuilding of the port is of that • importance as to claim your protecting, infltience. "Given under our hands this 28th Dec. 037. Signed, Ste.". Mr. PLATT said he was acquainted with - several of the per sons who had subscribed the memorial, and he was of opinion that the present rates were as high as they could afford to pay, and in some instances more. Mr. Platt went on to say ttokt the shipwrights had been Very roughly used in mad' res.Pects.• and to contrast the low rents at man y other places with those at Liverpool. The interests of the shipwrights were so vitally connected with those of this great town that he was surprised the grievance of the former had not before been brought tor-: Wald. They had to contend with great adVaitta,,, , 4,s at other, places, and 'he thought some concess i on ought to tie ,piarle tie them. He thought a.special committee might to be a.ripoirited, to hear the shipwrights in their own defence. There were plenty of individuals proper to judge, amongst whoM he would name Mr. Wood and Mr. Brocklebank. At the suggestion of -the Mayor, Mr. Platt gave notice of a motion to the above effect next council. Mr. Councillor Cue etc said the revision of the shipwrights', yards had been a part of their duty that hail been the most diffi-, cult and troublesome task they had to perform. The animus with which that duty had been undeltaken, was to see that the corporation got a fair rent for the propetty entrusted to them. He wished heartily for the shipwrights to be heard, and before, the finance committ ee, f or h e h ad heard nothing from Mr: Platt that showed any reason for the appointment of a separate, committee. The Fi n a nce ;•c omm i ttee had their ears as open, and their senses as accate as any other set ofgentlemen, and he had paid great attention to the subject. He was in perfect ignorance as to how the hardships that - had been spoken of could be made out. Some of the shipwrights paid, a rent of 9301. to Md. a . square yard, and the proposed tent was now, Is. 9d. per square yard; others who paid 10d, were to pay Is. bd. It behoved them, as indi v id ua l s e n truste d with thc care of the corpora.te_estate, to see that the land visa-not too low let.•.:The. land in question would let pinch higher. The piestion . was,, whether they should, to preserve the shipbuilding, take much less for the land than it would let for. Mr. Councillor Platt said he was perfectly satisfied with Mr., Currie's explanation. All th e p ar ti e S wante d, was to b e h ear d; and their cases investigated. His ouly motive was to save the Finance Comittee trouble. Mr. Councillor Wallace CURRIE..L-We are not afraid of trouble Mr. Platt. Mr. Alderman LRATHOM said the shipwrights would have a ti. opportunity of finding accomrhedation at the West side of the, Brunswick Dock, shortly, if their present premises were too hirlt rented, without being driven over to the Cheshire side. • The memorial was then referred to the Finance Committee. - The MAYOR presented another similar.,titemorial from the occupiers of elate yards,.hich was also referred. • . Mr. Councillor Worqi said, he u nd ers t oo d th e . s l a t e y ar d s were to be augmented to 3s. Gd. per yard;, if so, apd the shipi wright's .3 - ards were onl y . to be augmented to is. 9d. per yard the slate yards were charged - to high. Mr. Councillor CunittE 'said, Mr. Wood was correct as to, the price he had named. The land in the vicinity of tbose yards was worth £4 6s. per yard. A greet number of pirate memorials on the same subject followed, which were referred. . _ . _._....... A motion was agree d to that t h e overseers of the out-townships' make the necessary returns for laying a watch rate on the new parts of the borough. POSI , oFFICR. i j , • Mr. EVANS, in a speech of considerable length, advocated the expediency orhaving put the post-office at the New Custom house as the most central and convenient site for the merchants who were the principal parties to be considered in a town like Liverpool. He stated,.that he had seen Mr. Tornkinson at the building, and ,that- gentleman had. pointed out to him how, by, merely pulling down a wall, he critild; for art expense that would not exceed £lOO, adapt the rooms built and intended for the Post-office, so that they would answer.the purpose excellently, both as regarded light and room. He Contended for the impor tance of concediv, to the commercial portion of the town every convenience, and concluder!by,prnOosin g , NO.proposing, a deputation should he sent to London to communicate with the govern- . meat on the subject, as no time was to be list, Colonel Maberly and Mr. Baring having expressed their determination of decid-' ing on the matter during the recess. , Mr. WALAISi.ky seconded the motion. Mr. BOLTON thought it mould be well to • Purchase the Old Fish market, at the top of James-street, and build a Yost-office on the land. ~. . . , Mr. WoOLWIIIGHT thought the interests of the shopkeepers, ought to be considered as well as Those of the merchants, and that the present site of the post 7 offl,.ce was the most convenient. Mr. Br-Actual:7mq thought it would be well it Mr. Evans first took the sense of the council, as to whether the new Custom house was the proper place for the Yost-office.„ After a long discussion, in the course of which many members addressed the council, the motion WaS put..after the manner proposed by Mr. Blackburn. Forty-two Members; stood up in favour of like Custom-house as a proper place for the Post-uttice, and only two ag ainst it. The latt er were M essrs . Wootright , and Joidan. .. • The question was then pat respecting the deputation with similar result. Mr. Evans and Mr. Shiel were then named to be the deputa . , , . . Mr. BLA6tOCRI4 gave notice of a motion for the council to: petition government, that the apprenticeship system, as regards the negroes in the West Indies, cease in August, 1838, instead of 1840. - . . The T6WN-Ci ER K begged to say a few words in reference to what had fallen from Mr. Leathom during the discussion on the appointment of solicitor to the Dock trust. He could noL remember that any such words had dropped: from him► as those named by Mr. Leathom; hut, perhaps, if that gentleman were afterwards to mention to bins the subject of their conference, it might be recalled, to his mentors', and he might be able to ex • plain the import, of, what he bad said.. He .had, he said, done every thuw in his power to heal the breach that.bad. arisen. The Al A yoii and Mr. EVANS bore out the 'Town•clerk in the' latter statement. • Mr. Las TIMM testified his readiness to confer with the Town.: clerk, and assist, in recalling to his memory the words which be had used. The council then broke up at half-pa'st three. .„ . MECHANIC.% INSTITUTION. —The lectores ha;'e again been : resumed at this excellent institution. Dr. Kane delivered the first lecture of a course on chernistry; on Wednesday ev e nin g ; to a numerous and attentive audience. As there is not a more. extensively useful science than thht of chemistry, we feel no donbt that the .audiences will increase as the Doctor proceeds., There is hardly a class of persons in this town whose comforte. are not materiallt increased by this science,,, or to whom a. knowledge of its principtee cannot 'fail to be highly important., In our next publication we shall give a full report ul the lecw tut?. ' • MhAiunes' ANNI'AL BALL.—We perceive, by an adver-, tisetnent, that Mr. Stubbs holds his animal ball this evening, as the, Knighti TentPlars'-hall, Great George-street. Mr., Stubbs', 'hat'monic hand will be in attepdance, , aid will play some„splen-, .did ; new quadrilles, the music from Venice. The assembly it expected to be an agreeable one. . • ORMSKTRX BALL. —On Wednesday e,rtsniog the. annual ball was held at Omsk irk, and in no respect was inferior to the former celebrated, halis held at that•town:. There wits an' button:l4 assemblage of the beauty and fashion of the county; and the-ball committee did - their ut most hy,their arrangements to render the evening agree able to all. parties. Stubbs' lummoni6 band was in attendance, and played the Venetian music ichielwwas so much admired at the ladies'charity• halt. in Liverpool last Week. Amongst. the elite of the company we' , observed the Hon: Mitts'llootle V. illwahath; 'the Countess of Balearresi the Hon. R. li. Wiihrtiliam. M P.. It. Townley Parker, Esq., M.P the Hon. Captain li. Wilbraham, the Hon. Colonel Lindsay. Cornwall, Leigh, Esq... of lb,:h Leigh, .—,lleccies, Esq., Kent; Colonel Raws thine Mrs. Townley Parker, Mr. William Rawstorn, AIiAS Mi. Edward P‘ , ..rton 'Patton, Mr. Arthur Holton. Mr. J. Asprnalti Liverpiiol; Sze.; &c. . . . ohe party or the other, tvottlcttily lit that with regard to the pi_eieoit ap it between the.two,'Mr: North suit u• t any: other man who was quat.ifird to u I it they of the corporation could Hirt inive acre r- North VMS associated with gentlemen, and he was also their agent. in: endeavouring to dissever th In and the dock interest; as he had said hefore;, _ ►r bounden duty. as renresentatives or thrit