The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1844-11-12 00:00:00

g4l. ;T, (How ked that R. s family for Is servants• a that the h )een uc leaving the ities e xceed has be. ;' extent of by the 1 —Brighteit Nov. 12, 1844. MEETING OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. aaturday, at twelve o'clock, the first meeting of the flew Town Council took place at the Town Hall. ELECTION OF MAYOR. The MAYO R said that it was hardly necessary for him to inform the Council that their business was to elect a .0140 r for the ensuing year. to a G. H. LAWRENCE then rose and said he begged Propose, as candidate for that office Mr. Alderman Games Lawrencea gentleman who had ' bad the honour „t o : seat in the Council ever since the municipal corpora- Z eu s; act came into operation; and be thought he might the Inn that during the heat of political excitement which p I:1 prevailed, Mr. Lawrence was then elected by bOth d ' e rties ' Whig and Tory, as a Councillor for Great c h ° !ge • s Ward, and that he had discharged his duties as cr e dit 14" 0. ap probation of of the Watch Committee not only with great pro. at to himself, but by so doing he had gained the ap his colleagues in the Council, and he believed u r l , the public at large. (Hear.) He (Mr. Lawrence) he i ght Speak from his own observation on that subject, but (Hear.) Preferred rather to'refer to a vote of the Watch Corn ( ti t tee, which had been read at the last meeting of Council. He (Mr. Lawrence) had therefore every confi anetcre that Alderman Lawrence would preserve the rights chiefivileges of the Corporation, and in his character of th magistrate wou ld maintain its dignity. He bad, theereefore, great pleasure in proposing him as Mayor for Ti ming year. (Cheers.) wi ASPIIVALL seconded the proposition, which he did t un great satisfaction, as, from the zeal and ability Mr. 14 ,wr ehne had exhibited in his career in the Watch Corn thi:teee, be could Council , recommend himto the consideration of Zeal en neti, because he would fill the duties of Mayor with u a and intelligence, for the good of the town at large. ,;`,4as, moreover, a great contributor to the different ;1111°11In of ; and be was sure be would devote the cant s e °f his time and ability to the interest of the inhabi . He second d the nomination e al 'auld • • HODGSON said he did not know whether he be be out of course in making an observation, but th ght it was a question in which every member of t h e Council might with great propriety express his opi then. He thought it was better, then, to inquire how e detail of the mayoralty would be conducted rather th an make observations at the period of its close, which t gut , in some mea s u re , s eem rather to partake of flat tuery than sound judgment, but when they had an oppor ,,uitY of stati ng w h a t th e y rea lly believed, and what bad m ember under th e i r o b serva tio n as to the conduct of a of th e C ounc il , it was only right to give expres sion to it. He believed that Mr. Alderman Lawrence, vilio had from the first maintained all those principles whi ch were d ear to the great majority of the Council, Zhould not waver in his conduct, but continue to support bi t c ".Principles, whilst at the same time he would exhi just consideration for those who differed with him. e had, theref ore , grea t pleasure in supporting the elec tor. La wrence . (Cheers.) fle motion being put and carried unanimously, Mr. I .. Sa nd s then resigned the keys of his office to Mr. Law e. and complimented him upon his appointment. dr he MAYOR having then taken the usual oaths, ad times the Council as follows :—He returned thanks for f e ,: r u,igh and distinguished honour the Council had con wiP upon him •, an honour of which he felt proud, and eh he assured them he could appreciate as much as t at 'Y oue could do. He had had a seat in that Council for irl Years, and during that period he had discharged the duties Jud of his office to the best of his abilities, and with ',went, faithfulness, and zeal, and he trusted that in d new office he should continue to do so. In order to et? tha t he must ask the aid and support of the members cond uc t he ouncil and with that aid he trusted he should se the business of he Council with credit to him s. to (4 and to the satisfaction of the community at large. ne: s Pla nee.) His worship then said that the next busi supply the places of the retiring Aldermen. go e L, - HOMA.B BRANCKER.—Mr. Mayor, I wish you f or t ,-440rei n .- . [Sir Thomas here left the room, merely ti on, ": Purpose of remaining outside while his own elec 'wereellithat of others in the place of retiring AldernAldermen,the exg Proceeded with. We may remark, that, with r etiri ce r i ° ,l of the Mayor S ir Thomas was the only Thepc_lderrnan present.] and oa tj'lnneil then proceeded to the election of aldermen declar e d %voting papers being duly examined, the Mayor " h ere bei • " e following gentlemen unanimously elected, k z aaYor), ng si n r ° ether nominations :—Mr. James Lawrence Mr. J o t, Thomas Brancker, Mr. David Hodgson, S wa i n un Sh Leigh, Mr. Thomas Sads, Mr. Anthony Mr aw . Thomas Berry Horsfall n an d Mr. William e t Ittishb 41. • ty Thomas B . rancker and Mr. Anthony Swainson were e• _ . usher e d i nto the room by Mr. B rkett. All the 7;w:37 -elected Aldermen, with the exception of Messrs. • sfall and B us hb y, who were not i n atten d ance, h ere k the usual declaration, and had their signatures at tested by Mr. John Holmes and Mr. Hugh Hornby. s APPOINTMENT OF TOWN-CLERK. Sir THOMAS BRANCKER said be tose to propose a gen tl,erhan to fill the vacant office of Town-Cl er k, w h o s e electi on he trusted would be met with unanimous appro bation. (Hear.) He (Sir T. Brapcker,) might state that he bad the good fortune of introducing the gentleman 'w,tts_aliout to proirse into the service of the borough. oetieved it was his casting vote, as magistrate, which appointed him clerk to the magistrates, and from that - the the present he had felt increasing satisfaction at vote he then gave ; for every year had satisfied him by and g„„. more of the talent, zeal, and ability displayed r 'via% Shuttleworth. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir T. t rn w r n o a e n K e e k a e r r s ) and bad ao.nly been a member of the Council for both hereof the e d in half, but during that period, he had seen business performed by the Town-Clerk, London; and without referring to what fallepast,e would say a very undue share of labour had Those n on tee shoulders of Mr. Shuttleworth. (Hear.) wo gentlemen who had been on deputations to London _ n he thought, vouch for Mr. Shuttlewortb's tact :I .talent in the parliamentary business connected with tfa borough. He (Sir Thomas Brancker) had been there f ret l ne nilY, and could say that Mr. Shuttleworth's anxiety t_oer the welfare of this Corporation, and his diligence and ireverance in performing his duties, were above all praise. 1417' h ear.) He would not longer detain the Council, T o egged to move that Mr. Shuttleworth be appointed re4nf-aCuleenrk, with a salary of £2,000 a-year. (Cheers.) bad ' J ° ll N SHAW LEIGH fully concurred in all that from Sir Thomas Brancker, and had great ii\aisti.ire in seconding his proposition. wish 13w m 4 LEY-MoottE remarked that be did not he to ra i se any opposition to Mr. Shuttlewortb, whom Towe76ol,`", considered a fit and proper person to fill the office of ti but he wished to know what was the inten- T ° n tne Council as to a separation of the office of -mn-Clerk, Prosecuting Solicitor, and Clerk of the vo te e, bec ause t h at wou l d ma k e some diff er e n ce as to his the question of salary. M Moore was speaking, Mr. Horsfall, one of th e r ' newt -elected Aldermen, here entered the room "lid loud cheers, and was introduced by Mr. Hodgson. tasubsequent stage of the proceedings, the former gen t ,„ e ` - ln took the usual declaration.] Mr. LACE suggested that Mr. Shuttleworth should be Permitted to be present, as there did not appear to be any ° PPosition to his appointment, which was agreed to. Mr. Amu , / and several Councillors rose to speak to a Point of form, as to the question of dividing the offices, .1 11 1°, 11 which Sir Thomas Brancker agreed to amend as &ows:—" That Mr. Shuttleworth be appointed Town "lc of this borough and Solicitor to the Corporation With t o a salary of £2,000 a year, with the necessary clerks oral dischar ge o f the dutie s ." H e r '. l:l uAmiwz-MooRE rose to propose an amendment. ~ wished to have a proper division of labour. If the T ' 4 o ° ... se_c_bth ig erge 'nto the solicitor's office be made to m ffi an Clerk, the duties of both would not be e ment y Is Properly discharged ; and in support of this position latee eed only state the increase which bad taken place of Yars. In 1837, the number of prosecutions was 353, p u F in. 1843 they had increased to 614. A committee ap :_inted to investigate the duties of the paid officers had tide a report to this council recommending a division labour. (Hear, hear.) The reception of that report s a : moved by Sir Thomas Brancker. and received the otion of the Council. Mr. H. Lawrence had also Ala p i ressed a warm approval of the scheme, and only corn- T lgh ned that the committee had treated the subject as it , to be, and not as it really existed. The lamented n ' a h t u of the late Town-clerk had now given them a e n o tiii t e rt nnitY of treating the subject as it ought to b t h e be should, in support of his own opinions, remark V on t t he scheme had received the most direct approba the I T the late Town-Clerk. Mr. Shuttleworth also, s ß tib t j e — et e PutY Town-Clerk, had given his opinion on this „ and he thought that that opinion ought to have li n ra l 7'gbt with the Council on the present occasion. Mr. wort - h; e3T- Moore then read extracts from Mr, Shuttle s statement, in which he said that it vacs absolutely which that some arrangement should be made by l tent 4 11 some person should alwa b in the office compe .o,:° advise and confer ; and that, from his experience. fr o Z a !,of opinion that the principal ought to be relieved . re c i - i "le details of business, and employ himself in di g I\ l l others, and seeing those directions carried out ; then Shuttleworth had also declared that the scheme th en p r oposed —th e sc h em e which he (Mr. Moore) was deof s p zt a uv oeating—was the best that could be possibly shall , He moved, as an amendment, "That there to the e t oree distinct appointments of different persons . arid Laces of Town. Clerk, of Solicitor of Prosecutions rng, and of the Clerk of the Peace." itsilAw seconded the amendment. Clerk' A. LACE said no such office as Deputy Towil cipsi or Prosecuting Solicitor , _ was named in the mum eatio at ,•,.• and as to such an officer having all the prose the ally solicitor in the town chose to look after To-'ecutions, he might take every one from the w n•hall Mr • Prose,' k .' n ormuwortrn said the way in which all the eon u . ti ons were given to the Prosecuting Solicitor, was e ffice r ss linenee of the magistrates binding over the chief vtinonttin:o:;olice to prosecute ; and then the latter func- Mr:Aonsidted the Prosecuting Solicitor. altvrT said the present was the proper time for e ffici " le legal office f the Corporation - on a mi:Tt ent footin rs o ` l acers c g; As to the recommendations of the Paid state o iunaittee, they were given under a . very different f • thi ngs to what now existed ; and it . was hardly (11 1r r. i t t liem now to be tied to those sentiments. He bosine-'-'ukett) had had a good deal to do with the legal the b e t! ( if the Town-hall ; and he was quite satisfied that betteie_leer.Plan was, to have one head over the whole, with ad ' sat under him. (Hear, hear.) Any one who Yea rs n the Finance Committee during the last two w as the convinced that the proposition now made . no w "ii . o tho better plan. As Mr. Shuttleworth might onsidered as the Town Clerk, he thought he ...4'. u . ',t_l e r t l i sr be asked what his opinion on the subject now t.l,_ur, hear.) in e 3 a t r r I'lB !In t ItGthsoN 1 ear Ir s : a_ h id ,t , ha that, envdh e ha b v e i l n ie g v t e h d e i g n re s a a t y e i s n t g c s o o nfi b d e e w nc a e s in the very atmosphere of feeling in that t he Hearcil, s el.ear in aposition to deal with with ..123reet with the utmost ,• and he disagreed ' 32 • Birkett as to the propriety of asking Mr. Shut tleworth the question proposed, particularly in a matter where salary was concerned. He should not have taken any part in the debate if he thought it involved legal con siderations ; but, in his opinion, it was obvious to com mon sense that, if, the great concerns of the Corporation of Liverpool were to be properly managed, they must always have some authorized person bearing the name. He could not consent to act under the authority of a person who was not fully recognised by the Council itself. He believed that the Town-clerk must frequently - be in London. He was sorry to foresee that he must be more in town than ever, for the Council were troubled with questions regarding their property which would require attention in Parliament. Whilst he (Mr. Hodgson) was an economist, so far as economy could be consistently carried, he was, nevertheless, of opinion, that the Council must afford to pay for those duties which were necessary for the preservation of the property and right government of the Council, irrespective of the amount. He was of opinion that the best course they could pursue would be to continue their late sub-division of officers, and to ap point in addition, a Clerk of the Peace. Mr. LACE agreed with the view taken by Mr. Birkett. The only argument advanced in favour of having a Deputy Town-clerk appeared to be this : that his services would be required in case of the absence of the Town-clerk in London ;. not that the Town-clerk, with able assistants, could not conduct the machinery of the Corporation, but that we should be at a loss when he was absent from town. Now he (Mr. Lace) hoped the Council would not have occasion to go to London for two or three years hence. Liverpool, he could assure them, was at a great discount in the metropolis,—(" hear, hear !" from Sir Thomas Brancker.)—and he certainly hoped they would keep away for two or three years. They were not, therefore, called upbn to provide a remedy for what was to occur every month or every year, but for what might occur once in two or three years. (Hear.) It was agreed upon all bands that they were to have a separate officer as Clerk of the Peace ; and the gentleman selected to fill that office would be fully competent to advise the Mayor in the ab sence of the Town-clerk. No one would be offered for the office of Deputy Town-clerk or Clerk of the Peace without being fully competent ; and, if this were so, the greatest difficulty would be overcome and the stongest objection removed. There was in reality no such office as Deputy Town-clerk and Prosecuting Solicitor con templated by the Municipal Act, and the only way in which prosecutions were kept in one hand was by a kind of collusion with the magistrates. The Town-clerk was the party responsible for all the documents of the Corporation which legally were in his possession, and if, by electing a Deputy Town-clerk, these documents were allowed to go out of his possession, they might be de stroyed by such deputy, yet the Town-clerk alone was responsible. (Hear, hear.) Mr. NORTH was also in favor of the original motion. The main argument in favor of the amendment entirely failed, for it was alleged that there would, if the original motion were carried, be no responsible head at home, whereas it was intended to have a separate officer as Clerk of the Peace, who would be quite competent to ad vise the Mayor, and perform the duties of Town-clerk in his absence. (Hear, hear.) He concluded by paying a high compliment to the talents of Mr. Shuttleworth, and expressed his intention of supporting the original motion. (C Leers.) Mr. BUSHELL remarked that the theories of Mr. Lace and Mr. North differed from their practice. They agreed that the business should be performed under the direction of one head, and that all the officers should be subordi nate to that head. Now, on looking at the directory he found that the chief law firms in Liverpool consisted of two, three, and four persons. Mr. Bushell read over the names of a number of firms, and finished by quoting last, but not least, " Ambrose Lace, Joshua Lace, Myers, Rigge, and Roscoe." And in what differed private from public business? What was good in one case was good in another case. Mr. Bushell then referred to the different statements of approval made by the late Town clerk and the Deputy-clerk, and concluded by supporting the division of the offices. A conversation then ensued respecting the report to which allusions had been made, and the motives of the Council at that time in appointing the committee. Mr. SHUTTLEWORTH said that, from what had passed, it would appear that he had, at that time, made state ments which now he was ready to disclaim. He therefore wished it to be understood that the question on which the report was given was, as to whether there should be a Town-clerk and a Deputy, or a Town-clerk and a borough solicitor. If the Council determined to have two officers, he trusted they would appoint a deputy, and not an officer totally independent of the Town-clerk. Mr. H. HORNBY recommended the postponement of the question. The Council divided, when there appeared, for the amendment, 20; against it, 32. The amendment was, consequently, lost. The following members voted in the division : For: Messrs. D. Hodgson, R. B. Hill, C. S. Middle ton, J. A. Tinne, R. S. Henderson, J. Sothern, T. Roy den, C. Bushell, J. Procter, J. Kilshaw, R. Rigby, J. B. Lloyd, R. Jones, R. L. Jones, J. Parker, 3. Plump ton, R. Harbord, J. Sheppard, R. Houghton, J. Bram ley-Moore. Against: Messrs. T. Shaw, W. Thornhill, R. Hough ton, J. Brancker, T. Chalmer, T. Blackburn, W. Pres ton, J. North, J. Aikin, H. Hornby, J. Holmes, J. Stew art, T. Toulmin, W. Fawcett, J. Aspinall, G. G. Hornby, W. Birkett, J. N. Wood, J. Pemberton, T. Kave, J. Hornby, G. H. Lawrence, J. S. Leigh, T. T. Glazebrook, A. Lace, W. Mann, Sir T. Brancker, J. H. Turner, R. S. Crook, T. Chilton, the mayor, A. Swainson. Mr. MOORE then moved, as another amendment, that, for the present, the salary of the Town-clerk be £1,500 a year. Mr. TINNE seconded this amendment.—(Cries of " Vote !") Mr. PLUMPTON asked whether he was to under stand, that, out of the £1,500, the Town-clerk was to provide his own clerk ? Several voices, " No, No!" Mr. NORTH put it to Mr. Moore whether he would persevere with his amendment ? Mr. MOORE said he thought it necessary so to do. He should not enter into any reasons beyond this, that he did not think that an incoming Town-clerk ought to come in on a maximum salary. He thought that if they com menced at £1,500 and saw how he got on that they might hereafter have it raised. Sir THOS. BRANCKER said, that, in the Reform Coun cil, the sum of £2,500 a year had been recommended for the Town-clerk. That sum had been suggested by a great economist, Mr. William Rathbone, a very honourable, straight-forward man, although they differed from him in politics. The recommendation, however, was notadopted , because of the heavy annuity to Mr. Foster, the previ ous Town-clerk. Why the new Town-clerk was to be worth less money than the last he (Sir Thomas) could not understand. Mr. BLACKBURN said he had been a member of the Council when the first Town-clerk was appointed, and that he was an advocate for giving him £2,500 a-year. He thought the man who had the talent to discharge the duties of such an office deserved £2,500 ; but, in addition to this, Mr. Shuttleworth was not a new man. On the contrary, he was a tried man and a known man, and de served £2,500 a-year. (Hear, hear!) His (Mr. Black burn's) opinion was, that the Corporation should have the first talent the town afforded, and that the talent should be properly remunerated. (Hear, hear!) Mr. AIKIN said he was one of those individuals who did not think it right to be exceedingly liberal at the public expense. He knew of no one so well qualified to fill the situation of Town-clerk as Mr. Shuttleworth, nor one for whom he had a greater esteem ; but the raising of his salary from £lOOO to £1,500 a year was a good be ginning, and he (Mr. Aikin) did not think he should be either extremely paltry or contemptible if he submitted a motion to that effect. They should recollect that Mr. Radcliffe, when appointed to the office, was at the head of the best legal business in the town, and that they had to induce such a man to take the position. The case at present was quite different; arid he must say that £1,500 a year, when he compared it with the salary paid to the stipendiary magistrate or the salaries paid to some of the legal authorities of the land, or the judges on the bench, was by no means so paltry and contemptible a thing.— (Hear, hear !) Mr. TURNER contended that what had been said about the stipendiary magistrate was not by any means anala gnus to the case of the Town-clerk. Surely Mr. Aikin did not wish to compare the duties of the two. Mr. Rushton► had no wear and tear of the mind such as Mr. Shuttleworth would have to undergo. The latter could not go home at night without thinking of the duties of his office; whereas Mr. Rushton might go without having any care whatever on his mind. He (Mr. Turner) thought that £2,000 a year was not at all too much, par ticularly when the Council considered the claims made on an officer in such a situation. He was called upon to subscribe and entertain; and surely a gentleman in such a situation ought to be able to lay by something for his fa mily. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LACE observed, that when the late Town-clerk re tired from the office of Radcliffe and Duncan he was ena bled to make provision for his son. Mr. Radcliffe had told him (Mr. Lace) that, if he had any idea of the labour of the Town-clerkship, he should not have undertaken it for £3,000 a-year. He (Mr. Lace) knew no man in town more capable of taking the office or discharging its duties efficiently than Mr. Shuttleworth. He had seen Mr. Shuttleworth's mode of conducting business in London, and it was most admirable. They could not give him more than he was worth. Mr. PARKER said he was a trustee for the burgesses of Liverpool, and that there was an excellent old adage of "be just before you are generous." He thought if they began with £1,500 a year they should be doing very well; and with all due respect for Mr. Shuttlewortb, whom he warmly congratulated on his appointment to the Town. clerkship, be should support the amendment. Mr. HODGSON said he should not be the man to split on a question of £4OO or £5OO, seeing that Mr. Shuttle worth was to be the Town-Clerk and that there was the greatest confidence in that gentleman's talents and in tegrity. But, at the same time, he (Mr. Hodgson) should like to have some understanding that the Council were not to be called upon for additional expenses for additional clerks. They were to understand that the £2,000 was to be the covering price, and that this was not the getting in of the wedge. With this view he should vote with great pleasure for the £2,000. Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE fully concurred in all that had been said respecting Mr. Shuttleworth's great zeal and ability, believing that he most entirely deserved it. He was anxious to have it understood by Mr. Parker that the proposal now about to be carried out would be productive of considerable saving to the corporate estate. There would, for instance, be the saving of the salary of a Deputy Town-clerk ; and, though they proposed to bring in a Prosecuting-clerk—(" No, no,' " Yes, yes,")—to assist Mr. Shuttleworth in carrying on the prosecutions, yet this was a party to whom some £2OO or £3OO a year only would have to be paid. In the end they would save some hundreds a year and carry on the establishment far more efficiently than at present.—(Hear, hear!) THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Mr. BUSHELL was sure the Council would find, ulti mately, that no saving had been effected. He was sorry the argument had been used, because he thought that since they had devolved on Mr. Shuttleworth the impor tant duties of the Town-clerkship, and loaded him with more than the late Town-clerk had to bear, it would be unjust towards him to lower the salary. (Hear.) • Mr. PROCTER said he sheuld vote for the £2,000 a-year ; but that he could not agree with those members who sup posed that a saving would be effected, particularly if they appointed a Prosecuting-clerk, at £3OO, and a Clerk of the Peace at £5OO a-year. Mr. SHUTTLEWORTII said the present cost for Town clerk, Deputy Town-clerk, &c., was £3,700, and that if the present proposals were carried out there would. be a direct saving of £3OO a•year. Hear, hear.) Mr. SHEPPARD.-Mr. Mayor, I trust, under all the circumstances of the case, that Mr. Alderman Moore and the gentlemen who advocate the reduction in ques tion will now see the necessity of withdrawing their amendment. It is, sir, admitted by all that a more effi cient person cannot be found than Mr. Shuttleworth; therefore I see no reason to reduce the salary. The du ties of the office are very extensive, and the responsibili ties great ; and, consequently, I think the Town-clerk deserves the amount proposed—viz., £2OOO per annum. I voted in the minority on the last division, but most assuredly I will, if the Council divide upon the motion, now vote against the reduction. I respectfully, but firmly, call upon the gentlemen concerned to give up their opposition, and to let the resolution pass unani mously. Mr. SANDS also spoke in favour of granting the £2,000 a-year, after which Mr. Moore consented to withdraw the amendment. The original motion, anpointing Mr. Shuttleworth Town-clerk, at a salary of £2,000 a-year, having been carried, that gentleman proceeded to the seat on the right of the Mayor, usually occupied by the late Town-clerk, amid loud cheering and clapping of hands. Sir T. BRANCKER congratulated the council on the ju dicious choice they had made, and said they would never repent of it; that Mr. Shuttleworth would do his work like a workman ; and that he would stand higher, if pos sible, in their estimation that day twelve months than even he did at present. (" Hear," and cheers.) Mr. MOORE again explained, that, in submitting his amendments, he entertained the highest opinion of Mr. Sbuttleworth's legal fitness for the situation. Mr. SHDTTLEWORTIi having taken the usual oath, and signed the declaration as Town-Clerk in the presence of Mr. Sands and Mr. John Holmes, delivered the following address :—The council having been for some time occu pied with routine business, I shall not attempt to trespass on their attention with any lengthened remarks ; but I hope you will allow me to express my grateful thanks for having appointed me to this high and important office. That the council could have selected a more able man I readily admit ; but they could not have appointed any one more resolutely determined, by energy and zeal, to atone for his other deficiencies. (Hear, hear.) Nor could they have selected any one more ardently devoted to the best interests of the great estate, the affairs of which this coun cil is called upon to administer. (Hear, hear.) I shall not detain yon longer than to express my hope that my conduct in the office may be such as to show the council and the public that their confidence has not been mis placed. (Cheers.) MEETING OF THE BIRKENHEAD COMMISSIONERS. The monthly meeting took place on Tuesday evening last, William Jackson, Esq., in the chair. A letter was read from' Mr. John Deane Case, tender ing his resignation as a commissioner, (of which he was chairman,) he being about to remove to another district. The CHAIRMAN said he regretted the circumstance. No gentleman not a ratepayer, or not possessing property in the township, could be a commissioner, and this had been the cause of Mr. Case'S resignation. Mr. BENTHAM proposed as the only qualified person to fill the vacancy, whether as the largest landed proprie tor, or as the person to whom the township was most in debted—Mr. Jackson. Mr. WATSON seconded the proposition. Mr. JACKSON returned thanks, stating that he would ever equally protect the rights and interests of the land owner and the rate-payer; and that he hoped the same unanimity which had hitherto existed amongst the mem bers of the board would continue to exist, so that they might chew an example to other places that " union was strength." The appointment of Vice-Chairman, caused by the elec tion of Mr. Jackson to the office of Chairman, was post poned until next week: The CHAIRMAN moved a, vote of thanks to Mr. Case, which, accompanied by a handsome eulogy on his services, was carried unanimously. On the motion of the CH FARM AN it was agreed to pur chase 3,000 yards of land in Cleveland-street, at 7s. 6d. a yard, for the erection of a police-court, magistrates'. room, and bridewell. It was then agreed to sell in De cember, by public auction, about 70 acres of land skirting the park. It was also agreed to take pro temp Mr. Brassey's house, Hamilton-square, at a rent of £125 for offices for the Commissioners, their officers and clerks, the present town-hall being inadequate. The CHAIRMAN said he was of opinion that the board would derive £lOOO a-year from the new market, and that they would have a surplus by selling the land round the market, on part of which the present town-hall was built. The Market Committee presented a report relative to the recent falling of a portion of that yet uncovered build ing by the force of the gale of Saturday week, from which it appeared that the walls, &c., were perfectly substantial ; and that had the cross-walls, to be built for the shops at distances of ten feet, been erected, the accident would have been prevented. Another report was submitted by Mr. Colo, the surveyor, showing that the walla. ace., of the Birkenhead Market, when completed, will be stronger than those of Gill-street market, or St. John's, on this side. The CHAIRMAN then left, as he had to proceed imme diately to London, and Mr. J. S. Jackson was appointed to preside in his place. He remarked that he hoped the newspapers would notice the reports relative to the mar ket, as they showed that the falling of a part of the walls was purely accidental. The Ferry Committee presented a very favourable ac count of the receipts for the last month—admitting that much was due to the vast concourse of persons from Liver pool, who had attended the festival. The receipts in Oc tober, last year, were £1,138 12s. 7d.; the receipts of October, this year—£2,224 19s. Bd. •, leaving a balance in favor of the past month of £1,086 7s. Id. Mr. BnowNniuu - asked whether there was any truth in the report, published in the Mail of Saturday last, as to " there being whole streets of rubbish in the township, plastered with cement, and built by rogues, &c. ?" The CHAIRMAN replied there was not. Every build ing had been erected under the building act, which was more stringent in Birkenbead than almost any other place ; but there really was no use in contradicting what appeared in the Mail. (Hear, hear.) A vote of thanks was unanimously passed to the Nor wich Union Insurance Company for having presented the township, on the 23d of October last, with a very valuable fire-engine, with the requisite appurtenances. The board then adjourned. CORRESPONDENCE. SHIP-BUILDING. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD - - SlR, — Most writers on shipbuilding have shewn that every good quality in a ship, such as stability, the true po sition for her cargo, with insurance of safety in a gale, de pends on the correct point on which the gravity centres ; to this all scientific men have fully assented, yet they have all left us in the dark with respect to its true position. Scarcely two have agreed as to its height; some are for fixing the centre of gravity low down, others as near the line of flotation as possible, from which two points there are a great variety of opinions. Experience and prac tical results have shewn, that by raising it as high as pos sible the ship becomes leis laboursome, and therefore less liable to injury in a sea, and the adoption of this principle will greatly add to her capacity above her load line, through which she fully supports her canvass in a gale. This opinion is supported by the followin g practical re marks. What would become of sailing boats, such as gigs and skiffs, whose canvass surpass in quantity (by compa rison) all other vessels ? yet they pass through a sea with ease and safety, having no other ballast than from four to ten men, and often more, whose position raises the centre of gravity above their gunwalls. Again: where is the centre of gravity of our first rate ships, with four tier of guns, whose height and weight above their line of flota tion far exceeds the parts immersed? yet they have been proved the safest of all ships in a gale. Again : load two ships, of equal strength, size, and form, to the same draught of water, one with timber, the other with iron ; the iatter will strain in a sea, to her great injury, when the former, under the same circumstances, will perform her voyage with ease and safety. Lastly : how many ves sels, through the correctness of their form, are not only able to shift without ballast, but even work to windward. These remarks will go a great way in establishing a prin ciple, that the perpendicular position of gravity, in the formation and building of merchant vessels, should be raised as high as possible, to promote ease and safety. I am aware, from the nature and quality of which mer chant-ships' cargoes are composed, a correct standard cannot be obtained : this trifling uncertainty ought not to lessen the responsibility in the construction of a ship. The centre of gravity remains an unsettled principle with the learned, as to a fixed point in the fore and aft direction, a point of all others most essentially necessary to the for mation of a ship's body, on which alone depends the qua lities of capacity, stability, and safety ; yet to this magic centre no theorist has come to anything like certainty; whence arises that diversity of opinion, produced from vain speculations, whereas common observation and expe rience directs to the half-length of the ship as a natural position for her main transverse section, for :his one rea son, among many that may be deduced :—if the midship bend (dead flat) is stationed at either of the extremes, the centre of gravity, and with it the centre of displacement, must follow, or it must be removed by artificial means, through which her disjointing is speedily effected. Ships built with their dead flat far forward must ever unite in one their pitching and rolling motion, that is, they waddle from the starboard bow to the larboard quarter, and the reverse on the opposite roll; the effect in a heavy sea is tremendous, from the after part of the vessel flying from right to left, and from left to right. It may be asked, seeing that the true position of the centre of gravity still remains an undetermined quality, whether it is a neces sary qualification in shipbuilding ? I would answer—yes, it is of the first moment, when correctly placed ; but the great evil with shipbuilders, from its undefined principle, is that they either consider that as a quality it is wholly unnecessary, or that it is immaterial to a vessel in what part it centres, seeing the ballast or cargo will find it out ; as such many construct their ships without a reference to, or calculations thereon ; others pursue a system equally as bad, by resting satisfied with finding the centre of gra vity of the whole fabric. Hence proceeds so many dan gerous and ungovernable vessels. Yet there are ship builders who feel the importance and the responsibility attached to their profession, who in constructing see the necessity of commencing with the centre of gravity at the lower water or Level line, and carry it by degrees to the gunwall. It is on this principle, and on this alone, that the centre of gravity becomes of the first importance in the construction of a well-regulated vessel—it is the only attainable means in order to perfection. When deter mined on with judgment it becomes the focus to guide the formation of each level, or water line, to its true course ; it is the centre around which the ship's capacity revolves. It is the judicious placement of this centre, from the keel upwards, that secures to a ship those beneficial and essen • tial properties which prove her protection in every dan ger. To define the centre of gravity, and prove the ad vantage of placing it correctly in a vessel, take a piece of fir two or more feet long, by two or three inches square; by suspending it at the half-length between your finger and thumb, or with two pins, you find no difficulty in keeping the upper surface level, produced by having the true centre of gravity ; remove the pins towards either end, and the longest part will immediately drop, which to bring it into an horizontal position, will require either a weight at the short end, or to be lengthened by some artificial means : in either case it will be evident that the centre of gravity is removed from its natural point, without any be nefit resulting therefrom. Again : does not a person on taking a piece of timber on his shoulder,. first balance it before he proceeds forward ; and if from some cause the part, behind proves the heaviest, is there not an artificial weight added to the shoulder by the pressure of the hand on the light end to equalise the balance ? By these sim ple experiments true principles are often established, and false ones detected ; from these plain similies there is a greater object in view—that of demonstrating the f a l se principles whereby ships are ow built. In my next I shall resume this subjept, wherein will be shewn a mecha nical method for finding the centre of gravity of each water or level line , w ith the ship's displacement. I am, sir, &c. JOHN COCK. Pembroke Dock, Ist Nov. 1844. CLERK OF THE PEACE. Mr. LLOYD said it afforded him great pleasure to pro pose an old resident of the town, and one who stood high in his profession, for the vacant office of Clerk of the Peace. He begged to propose Mr. Peter Wright. The TOWN-CLERK said this was one of those offices for which the Council had no power to pay by salary. A bill had been brought into Parliament, last session, by Sir James Graham, which, when passed, probably in the next session, would enable them to do so; but, in the present position of things, he recommended the Council to adopt a resolution to the effect, that the nett emolu ments of the Clerkship of the Peace should not exceed , leaving a blank for the amount. Mr. LLOYD accordingly moved that Mr. Peter Wright be appointed Clerk of the Peace, receiving the fees, and accounting with the borough fund for all fees above £5OO per annum, which was to be his sala.y, and that it be un derstood, in his appointment, that Mr. Wright was to follow his private business, paying his own clerks. Mr. ASPINALL seconded the motion, and, in doing so, bore testimony of Mr. Wright's excellent character. He said he had known him for many years, and that he had his authority to state, that, should he be elected, his ser vices would always be at the command of the Mayor and Council whenever the Town-clerk was absent from Liver pool.—(Hear, hear.) A discussion then took place on the subject of postpon ing the appointment, during which it transpired that the fees of the office were, last year, £l2OO, and the year before £1600; and eventually the appointment was ad journed, to obtain a letter from Mr. Wright that he will be satisfied with such salary as the Council may affix to the office. _ _ Mr. AIKIN said he wished to call the attention of the council to an individual who of all others was the most proper person to appoint as Clerk of the Peace, and he would have moved his appointment, but for the fact of the salary being such that 1 1 1 r. Ellis could not afford to give up his situation as clerk of the magistrates. Sir THOMAS BRANCKER also paid a high compliment to the conduct of Mr. Ellis. THE MAYOR'S ALLOWANCE. Upon the motion of Mr. John Holmes, the Mayor's allowance was ordered to be the same as usual. DOCK COMMITTEE. Mr. MOORE moved that Mr. Charles Stewart Middle ton and Mr. Robert S. Henderson be appointed members of the committee for the affairs of the estate of the Trus tees of the Liverpool docks, in the room of Mr. Henry Holmes and Mr. Simon Lee Trotman, who had ceased to be members of the Council. Agreed to. Mr. MOORE announced that there were four other vacancies in the Dock Committee, occasioned by the retirement of Messrs. Evans, Barclay, Bulley, and Holt, as aldermen, which would have to be filled up at an ad journed meeting of the Council, appointed to be held on Wednesday next. FINANCE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. G. H. Lawrence, the Finance Committee for the year was constituted of the following members :—Messrs. G. G. Hornby, Turner, Aspinall, Sands, Hodgson, Leigh, Blundell, Sbaw, Hugh Hornby, Houghton, jun., John Holmes, Bushell, Birkett, Si r Thomas Brancker , and G. H. Lawrence. WATCH COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL, the Watch Com mittee was composed of the following members :--Messrs. Glazebrooke, Harbord, Hodgson, Hugh Hornby, Joseph Hornby, G. G. Hornby, Houghton, sen., G. H. Law rence, Kilshaw, Parker, Plumpton, Preston, Henderson, Sheppard, R. L. Jones, Sothern, R. B. Hill, Thompson, Thornhill, Tinne, Turner, Mann, James Brancker, T. B. Horsfall, and James Aspinall. IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. HODGSON, the Improvement Committee was composed of the following members : Messrs. Hill, R. L. Jones, Bushby, Rigby, Kilshaw, Plumpton, Stewart, Tinne, Pemberton, and Sheppard. COURTS OF LAW COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. LLOYD, the Courts of Law Committee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Turner, Tinne, Hill, Stewart, Plumpton, North, Moly - neux, Hodgson, and J. R. Lloyd. MARKETS COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of the Markets Cotn mittee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Pres ton, Birkett, Kilshaw, Rigby, Sheppard, Toulmin, Kaye, Middleton, and Aspinall. EDUCATION COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. HODGSON the Education Committee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Molyneux, Chilton, Crook, Glazebrook, Harbord, R. Houghton, sen., G. H. Lawrence, North, Shaw, Shand, Kaye, G. G. Hornby, Swainson, Horsfall, and Hodgson. GAOL COMMITTEE Upon the mction of Mr. GEORGE HALL LAWRENCE the Gaol Committee was constituted of the following:— Messrs. Hodgson, John Holmes, Hugh Hornbv, Aikin, R. Houghton, iun., Sands, and the Mayor. TOWN• HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Sir THOMAS BRANCICER the Town-hall Establishment Committee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Brancker, Bushell, Hodgson, Moore, Swainson, Middleton, and the Mayor. HEALTH OF THE TOWN COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL the Health of the Town, Washhouses, and Baths Committee was con stituted of the following :—Messrs. Blackburn, Birkett, Kaye, Chalmer, Harbord, Houghton, sen., Lace, Kilshaw, Parker, Sheppard, Toulmin, Sothern, R. L. Jones, Tinne, Brancker, Aspinall, and the Mayor. GARDENS COMMITTEE. The MAYOR : Have you any gentlemen to propose on the Gardens Committee? Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE : Poor Isaac Holmes I Where is he ?—(Loud laughter.) Upon the motion of Sir THOMAS BRANCKER the Gar dens Committee was composed of the following members —Messrs. R. L. Jones, Crooke, Robert Jones, Preston' Royden, Thornhill, and Henderson. BOROUGH COURT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. NORTH, the Borough Court and Court of Requests Committee was composed of the following :—Messrs. Proctor, Pemberton, Parker, Bushby, Thompson, Lace, Lloyd, and North. CHURCH EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. BIWKETT, the Church Expen diture Committee was constituted of the following mem bers :—Messrs. Griffith, Lace, Molyneux, Parker, Shand, G. G. Hornby, and Birkett. OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Sir Taos. BRANCIKER, the Ob servatory Committee was constituted of the following : Messrs. Aikin, Blackburn, Blundell, Chilton, H. Hough ton, sen., Nicol, Plumpton, Shand, and Hill. THE FIRE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. G. G. Hortraw the Com mittee for the Preservation of Property from Fire was con stituted of the following :—Messrs. Nicol, Sir T. Brancker, Aikin, Stewart, Shand, G. G. Hornby, Turner, Bushby, Swainson, and Sands. FERRY COMMITTEE. The Special Committee appointed, on the 3d of April last, to take into consideration, and report upon, the more effective regulation and management of the Ferries, Ferry-boats, and Landing-places, vps, upon the motion of Mr. NORTH, composed of the following :—Messrs. Aikin, Wood, Royden, Blackburn, Stewart , Mann, and North APPOINTMENT OF ANNUAL OFFICERS. Thomas:Corrie, Receiver of Town-dress; Mr. Askew, Water-bailiff; Lloyd, the Deputy-bailiff; and Mr. Comb, and another, Sub-bailiffs, were re-appointed to their res pective offices for the ensuing year. The Council adjourned at four o'clock, for the despatch of the remainder of the business on the summons paper to morrow. FEDERALISM. To THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. It is somewhat laughable to behold the various shiftings of the big beggarman of Ireland ; an oath h e swears t o -d a y w ith unblushing audacity he will revoke to-morrow ; a promise which, on his knees, he solemnly pledges himself t o perform one moment , lie will, without reserve, split and render nugatory the next. A few months ago Mr. O'Connell, the uncompromising Mr. O'Connell, the resolute Mr. O'Connell, the firm and unshaken advocate for repeal, the truthful Mr. O'Connell ! spoke the following :-- " Ere the revolving year passed over their heads they should have a Parliament in College-green." " It is the duty of every i lrishman to labour, and never to de sist from labOuring,till their independent parliament was restored in College-green, independent of the British Parliament." Proud boaster! who gayest thee authority to advise " It is the duly" forsooth, and he first violates that duty. " Stick to your banners" forsooth ! and it is he that first deserts them. Oh, thou dealer in precept ! Stick to your text, and teach your followers how to work. O'Connell was just set free ; the injustice of faction, and faction in the highest tribunal of the country too, opened his prison doors, and his followers and himself avowed that the final lift to repeal was given, that it would now overbear all opposition, and " Ireland would be a na tion." Shouts of triumph resounded, O'Connell's tail took it up, and as the sound went on it increased in loud ness ; but suddenly the great leader of all, the presiding spirit and life of his tail, dropped repeal and gave way. The tail: stood aghast, astonished, confused ; and their loud shouts of triumph dwindled down to miserable croakings for federalism. "0, how art thou fallen !" the blusterer, some few months ago, in tones of magni tude, but now, now when "such a triumph as never hap pened" had been given to them by partial factionists, now, when (as he said) their expectations were all to be realized, now he strikes the banners of repeal and hoists the puny flag of federalism. In 1843 federalism was hooted from coalition, denounced as a disgraceful course of dishonesty, yet, in 1844, the un blushing and cowardly liar is opposed to the ardent advo cates of his former professions on that very subject. Once he professed the most enthusiastic adherence to repeal and hatred for all compromise ; and with such pro fessions, and on consideration of uttering such professions, his exchequer was filled with that which his countrymen toiled day and night to earn. For repeal was it that he said he would give them his head on a block if he did not gain it in six months, yet he throws it overboard. And, ye " simple repealers," will you suffer it any longer ? Utter your manifesto ; let the demagogue know that you will be trifled with no longer. Tell him, "We gave you our money on consideration of your fulfilling your agreement for repeal ; you have broken your pro mise ; you have dissolved the agreement as respects us, dissolve it in all, as respects yourself." Poor, pitiful children you must be, if you pass by this latest breach of faith ; you love repeal, you have ever che rished in your minds a fond anticipation of gaining it. Yon relied on, and gave your money to, Daniel O'Connell to effect this object ; he swore he would : he cried, " No compromise;" he made the most solemn protestations, he uttered the most sacred vows for—not federalism— that, said he, (then,) is a miserable shelter "under which cowards hide their treason ;" that he abhorred—but for repeal. And, lo ! where is it ? Aye, Irishmen, tell me that ; where is it ? Oh, you are deceived ! you are cheat ed, miserably cheated • for where is it ? And echo an swers, " Where ?" The man has abandoned it. What for ? " A miserable shelter for cowards"—federalism. 'Twas cruel of thee, Dan, to leave it ! 'Twas deceitful of thee to make a split in the camp ; 'twas very cruel, 'twas very ungrateful, just at the very moment when the trumpet of triumph sounded with renewed vigour, when obloquy fresh was heaped on the friends of loyalty and peace, when all was announced to be flourishing and healthful, to desert the cause ; when thou badst pocketed the money, pitifully to sneak out of thy engagements, oh, 'twas mean! 'twas cowardly ! Thy followers will desert thee, and leave thy grey hairs to drop in ignominy to the tomb.—Yours, &c., DELTA. HUMBUG. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SlR,—The other day, while sauntering along the streets, thinking of nothing, my reverie was disturbed by the loud talking of two men, which was wound up by one telling the other that John Snooks was a regler humbug. This instantly diverted my thoughts into a new channel; I had scarcely time to consider what humbug really was, ere my attention was again arrested by hearing a lad say to an other, " Never mind him, Bob, he's only humbugging you." A little further on, I observed two women stand ing by a gin shop, wiping their mouths, " I tell you what," said one of them, " it's all humbug to say he can sell good stuff at that price." At the door of a charity school, a little girl stood yelping and crying, I inquired what was the matter, she said, ' it was all humbug sending her to school; she couldn't, and she wouldn't learn her letters, and she'd tell her mother so, when she got home." Well, thought I, this humbug is a curious thing, when I was once more aroused by a friend tapping me on the shoulder and saying, with a rueful countenance, " It's all up with me, that humbug, Sam Earwig, has humbugged me out of my money, by humbugging me into buying his cursed jerry-built houses." I had just fairly got into motion again, when I waa accosted with, " Well, Dick Bore has humbugged me out of my vote by the promise of a £5 note, and he actually laughed in my face when I told him he was a downright humbug. Why,' said he, with a vicious grin, you surely are not so jolly green as not to know that electioneering is sheer humbug from beginning to end ?' " So, thought I, I'll just get out of this hum bug, and take a cup of coffee. I had just raised the be verage to my lips, when a customer said to the waiter, " Why, you confounded humbug, what the d—l do you call this stuff ? it's nought but chicory." I involuntarily dropt the cup, and rushed out of the house. Humbug ! humbug ! I thought I, the world is surely made ap of humbug. Men do not go courting, but they humbug their sweethearts, and wives humbug their husbands. Merchants and tradesmen make their money by humbug • the statesman gets on by humbug; the newspapers keep up party spirit by humbug; clerks progress with their employers by humbug; books are puffed into sale by humbug; lawyers humbug their clients till they humbug them out of the oyster •, speeches ia parliament are all humbug ; the very children take in humbug with their mothers' milk. I have always blundered on in a straight forward course, and been soundly humbugged, and yet never seriously thought of humbugging in return ; I must begin ; upon whom shall I make the first essay_ ? W. G. P. Toxteth-park, sth November. BUILDING SOCIETIES. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SlR,—Among the many and various schemes that the mania for joint-stock companies has engendered, none have been more successful (in obtaining shareholders at least) than Building Societies. This is not to be won dered at when we consider the smallness of the monthly subscriptions, and the other inducements held out to that class of the community least able to detect the fallacies of their delusive reports. That too many of these societies are mere gambling speculations, without the fairness of games of chance, is easily proved ' • for what other name can be g i ven t o pro jects, where three-fourths of the profits are dependent on the chance of the poorer shareholders being unable to pay up their subscriptions. It would occupy too much of your columns to copy a prospectus, but they all promise the same thing, viz.,— that for every 10s; paid monthly, or £6 a year, for a term of ten years, £l2O will be returned at the expiry of that time—thus doubling the capital. That this is impossible, unless by means of fines and forfeitures, the following calculation will show ; and as it would be invidious to name any particular society, I will suppose an imaginary one of 200 shares £. s. d. 200 shares, at 10s. each per month, is XlOO ; this monthly for ten years is. And they promisethat the profits will be .. 12,000 0 0 Thus in ten yeari the stock will be.. 24,000 0 0 But £lOO paid monthly for ten years, with interest and compound interest at 5 per cent. (deducting the very moderate sum of £5O a year for printing, stationery, se cretary's salary, and other expenses,) will only amount to . . Leaving a deficiency of £ 9,175 8 0 The above calculation is far too advantageous to the society, as I have made it on the supposition that each payment bears 5 per cent. interest from the very day it is paid—that they borrow no money—that all their securi ties are perfectly good—that they have no lawsuits, and of course no law expenses—and, indeed, that they suffer no losses of any description. Now every one conversa,lt with these societies is awa re that the y are all subject to one or other of the above drawbacks. Had I allowed for them, the balance would have been considerably more. But, with all these advantages, there is a deficiency of £9,175 ; and how is it made up? By fines and forfeitures. The fines are heavy, and increase in geometrical progres sion ; in some societies they amount to one thousand per cent. per annum. The tradesman who, "from being out of work, sickness, or other causes," neglects for some months to pay up his subscriptions, finds, upon returning to the society; that they have a balance against him of fines, fines for nonpayment of fines, &c., &c., far above his means to discharge. He perhaps struggles on for a few months, but, finding the balance still increasing, re tires in despair. Consequently, all his previous payments are forfeited, and go to swell the pockets of his richer neighbours, who, in solemn conclave assembled, report that the society is in a very flourishing condition ! As to the borrowers, so far as I have had an opportu nity of observing, they do not pay much above 5 per cent. for the money (always supposing that the society only lasts ten years). Thus they are pretty safe ; and, as the Scotch say, if they are pleased lam pleased. The Chi nese have . a. proverb , " He that borrows to build, builds to sell ;" and I doubt many will find the truth of it who have borrowed money from Building Societies. And woe to them should the societies last eighteen or twenty years ! They can easily calcula te what their pro perty will cost them in that case. That some of them will last that time, or even longer , 1 firml y believe, and hereby prophesy. Your obedient servant, NEWMAN NOGGS. THE EARL OF DERBYERP v. THE IMPROVEMENT OF RIV E R HE " No obstacle shall be thrown in the way of this rail way on my part; on •the contrary, if absolutely necessary, they may make tunnel beneath my very drawing-room." Marquis of Bristol's an• seer to the applicaticn from the direct Loudon and Norwich Rail way.—Bury Journal for October, 1844. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Slll,—We have it as a tradition, that ever since the death of the great Lord Strange, the house of Knowsley has invariably set its face against improvements likely to benefit our good old town. I case ; for if the interests of that s singularfara ily thatarenostuicdh be h e nti fi t e d e with the prosperity of Liverpool, they are, certainly, greatly enhanced by it. It was to the continuance of this feeling that, in more modern times, a grand improvement, from Temple-court through Stanley-street, was frustrated, and that the di rectors of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway were constrained to make their line to the south end of the town. It is now currently reported, that the great Baron Stan ley, despite of his unquestioned ability, is tinctured with the same narrow spirit ; and that he is determined to op pose any railway approaching the town from the north ward. What would his lordship think of the Marquis of Bristol's saying on a like occasion, and which I have pre fixed to my letter ! I should hope, however, that the noble baron, in justice to his own character, will reconsider this rash resolve, and adopt a course more befitting s conspicuous and lead ing member of the administration of this great commer cial country. if not, the only plan will be for the commercial men of Lancashire themselves to bring their case before parlia ment, and ascertain whether the legislature will, at the instance of any great landed proprietor, however power ful from property or connections, refuse to grant to Li verpool such great public improvements, as they have shown that they are anxious to extend to all other parts of the country. If we cast our eyes over the river and see with what zeal and unanimity the landed gentry there co-operate with the enterprising mercantile men at Birkenhead in every project calculated to advance the interests of that place, we cannot but be struck with the contrast in the conduct of the landed gentry on this side of the water. At such a time Liverpool has most to fear from the apathy of those who ought to be most active and energetic in lay ing open her resources at the great north western part of the kingdom. To oppose, or to be neutral, as to further railway accommodation or extension for Liverpool, is in effect to play into the hand of her rival (so to call it) young Birkenhead. As you, sir, have stood forth manfully in support of townside interests, when others were disposed to quail, I shall confidently rely upon the insertion of this letter. I am, sir, Your friend, A DICKEY SAM. Liverpool Nov. 1, 1844. P.S.—I perceive that the Earl of Derby has just given £lOO towards the intended parks at Manchester. Will any of your numerous readers point out an instance of equal liberality from the house of Knowsley towards a Liverpool public improvement ? SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. MANCHESTER-FRIDAY EVENING. DERBY. Out of a multiplicity of offers at the room to-day, we only saw some solitary bet accepted, namely, 500 to 10 about Cabin Boy, his backer signifying a wish to perse vere at like terms. In other respects, so fleeting and visionary has been the business altogether since Tuesday, and the offers to-day in almost every particular were so nearly assimilated to the London prices, that a further recapitulation of what was done would be superfluous. TATTERSALL'S-THURSDAY. The flatness of business yesterday afternoon marked the commencement of the winter season, and promises to lighten our occupation at the "corner" for some eight or ten weeks to come. The fluctuations were few and slight, reouiring no other notice than is contained in the following table of prices at the close : DERBY. 10 to 1 agst Mr. Greville's Alarm. 16 1 Col. Anson's Kedger. 25 1 Lord Chesterfield's Newsmonger.—t. 25 1 Lord Stradbroke's ldas. 25 1 Col. Peel's Cobweb colt. 25 1 Mr. John Day's Old England. 28 1 Mr. Heseltine's Fitz Allen.—t. 28 1 Mr. Winteringbam's Rebecca colt.—t. 33 1 Mr. Mostyn's Pantasa. 35 1 Mr. Coleman's Young Eclipse.—t. 35 1 Mr. Gully's Weatherbit.—t. 40 1 Duke of Richmond's Laird of Cockpen.— taken. 40 1 Mr. Mostyn's Black Prince. 50 1 Lord Glasgow's Miss Whip colt.—t. 2000 —35 Col. Cradock's Jinglepot.—t. 2000— 30 Mr. Lintott's Cabin Boy.—t. 3000 to 50 each was laid agst Jinglepot and the Miss Whip colt, in one bet. . . OAKS. 8 to 1 agst Mr. Worthington's Lancashire Witch.—t. 10 1 Duke of Richmond's Refraction. THE LATE MR. CROCKFORD'S ACCOUNT. At a general meeting of the Jockey Club, on Friday last, it was resolved "That the account of the late Mr. Crock ford must be settled on the first Monday in December, on a guarantee being previously given, by some person duly authorised, that the bets due from Mr. Crockford shall be paid in full ; and after that time all persons re fusin - to pay shall be considered defaulters, and treated accordingly." THE ALTCAR COURSING MEETING, NOVEMBER 7th and Bth, 1844. The meeting, owing to the inclemency of the weather, was not quite so numerously attended as bad been ex pected. There was, however, a considerable number on the ground. The sport was excellent, and the decision of the Judges gave general satisfaction. We subjoin the return : THE Cur.—Mr. Clowe's Cataract beat Mr. Standish's Snake, and divided the stakes. SEFTON STAKES.—Mr. Shaw's Shamrock beat Mr. Ridgway's Rokeby, and won the stakes. CROXTETH STARES.—Mr. 'Wynne's Baroness beat Mr. Clowes's Countess, and won the stakes. WEST DERBY STAKES.—Mr. Wynne's Baron beat Mr. Swan's Strike-a-light, and won the stakes. HUNTING APPOINTMENTS. Sir W. M. STANLEY'S Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at . Friday, 15, at . . At eleven. Sir W. W. WYNN'S Hounds will meet on Bebbington Upton Wednesday, 13, at . Friday, 15, at Saturday, 16, at Bryn y-pys .... ......... Holt Nescliffe At half-past ten. The CHESHIRE Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at Thursday, 14, at .. Arley Saturday, 16, at At half-past ten. EXPORT OF HORSZS.—Two mares, " Our Nell" and " Crucifix," both winners of the Oaks, and the latter also of a 2,000 guineas at Newmarket, with " King William," an entire horse, from the neighbourhood of Darlington, were shipped last week for Hamburg, from this port, for the King of Prussia. Six mares and geldings, forming a portion of the racing stud of the Earl of Northumberland, have also been despatched from this port, for Berlin, where a number of British sportsmen are about to assem ble. The celebrated horse Sheet Anchor, winner of the Portland Handicap, and many other large stakes, left this port yesterday morning for Bruuswick, for the Duke of Brunswick.—Hull Herald. CLOSING OF THE SHOPS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.—A meeting of the woollen-drapers and grocers' assistants residing in the neighbourhood of St. James-street, was held, on Thursday evening, at Mr. Urmson's, Duncan street, for the purpose of considering the best means of procuring the benefits derivable from the seven o'clock closing of the shops. Mr. J. B. Jackson, in the absence of the chairman of the district at another meeting, was called upon to preside. After a few remarks upon the object of the meeting and the favourable state of public opinion upon the movement, he called upon Mr. Carr to move the first resolution, to the effect, that the rapid progress of the seven o'clock closing of the shops called upon them to use their utmost exertions to obtain for that neighbourhood the benefits now enjoyed in other portions of the town. Mr. Roberts eloquently seconded the resolution, which was agreed to unanimously. Mr. Whippam moved, Mr. Frazer seconded, and Mr. White man supported the second resolution, appointing a depu tation to confer with the district committee of the Asso ciation of Assistant Tradesmen. Mr. W. B. Jones arrived o i sa s tief dr:cps to os a ltit l Nhte p eAn r s a .i c u t practical chairman, iA a 1 n .ad Huguenin e h r e g e p t r i o c e s e t d r i a n i s . as the meeting was about to separate, and spok e , f or a f ew terminated H minute s, u ThanksG u E i were N n aitN v h ,h has re moved his gymnastic establishment from Cook-street (on account of the premises being about to be pulled down) to the Commercial Hall, over the Railway Station, and cer tainly no building could be found in the town more ad mirably adapted for such a purpose. The Railway Sta tion is considered, we believe, to be the very centre of the town. It is only six minutes' walk from the Exchange and Custom-house, and is the largest room in Liverpool, being capable of holding 2,000 persons. Although the building is used on Sundays as a place of worship for the Irish Presbyterians, M. Huguenin's machinery is so well arranged that it can be taken down or refixed with ease in an hour or two. No boxing or smoking is allowed in the room, and every means are taken to keep it perfectly se lect. To ladies coming from the upper parts of the town it is also remarkably well situated. For the convenience of parties attending the room, we understand it is in con templation to arrange a small refreshment room. The TEETH have ever been considered as forming one of the most pleasing ornaments of the human counte nance, and their preservation demands our utmost care and attention. Indeed, if there be any loss that more' particularly affects the countenance than another, it is that of the Teeth •, which the Dentist, however ingenious, must ever vainly hope satisfactorily to replace by at tificial contrivance. The DECAY of the TEETH and GUMS arises from various causes ; but, principally, it may be attributed to early neglect, ill health, or the use of Tooth Powders containing mineral substances and deleterious give temporary whiteness to the Teeth, while princi pally to be attributed the long Bo tanical R esearch , which acids, they corrode which the enamel. To this fact , indeed, is was happily terminated by the most felicitous discovery ever given to the world for the PRESERVATION of the TEETH, GUMS, and BREATH, ViZ.—ROWLAND' S ODONTO, or PEARL DENTRIFICE. Prepared from Oriental Herbs with unusual care, and transmitted n to o t l b e i s s s country g n a st r e e d a t for e x p i e t n s e p e 0 , w ß e o r fwu lly n's O efficacious,no T a n o t s .. dotal, and purifying virtues, in immediately arresting caries, or decay in the Teeth, than for its stimulative properties in fixing them (when loose) firmly in their sockets, and in giving a healthy redness and firmness to the Gums. Its corrective properties are in particular most pleasingly displayed in respect to the BREATH—to which it imparts a sweetness and fragrance not a little gratifying to its possessor. As the most efficient and fra grant aromatic cleanser of the Mourn, TEETH, and Gums ever known, ROWLAND'S Onosmo has now for a long series of years occupied a distinguished place at the Toilets of the Sovereigns and the Nobility throughout Europe, while the general demand for it at once announces the favour in which it is held by the public at large. It should never be forgotten, that when used early in life, it effectually prevents all aches in the Teeth and Gums— effaces all Spots and Discoloration whatsoever—eradicates Scurvy—and, in a word, soon realizes the chief attribute of Health and Beauty—A BEAUTIFUL SET OF TEETH I Price 2s. 9d. per Box. The " Genuine Article" has the words "A. ROWLAND AND SON , 20, HATTON-GARDEN," engraved (by Authority) on the Govern ment S tamp . * * *All Qthers are FRAUDULENT COUNTERFEITS ! 11 eSS with lull. ger ; p -_--,.~