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XTOW ON VIEW, at Mr. LA WTON'S, the RA iNBOW 11 VERN, Witliatuson-square, Liverpool, fu,. it Few Vuys Only, PAINTINGS of lirst-rate qtkalitN, by lite Old Musters,. for SA L E:by ;vale Contract. A inoi;. , ti,eo is a tine Picture by R. Willstm; Hwy Family, N. Pousin; Ottto, St. B. Boor. don ; Anointing the Feet of elitist, kis P. De Cortuita ; Landscapes, by Claude, Huteahurgh, A. Van De Welde , and many others o f consequence, and in line condition.' TRADESMEN'S CONSERVATIVE ASSOCIATION. r 11H 14.1 Mo Toi.rM.kTING or the LI VER POOLTRADES MEN'S CONSERVATIVE ASSOCIATION will be held on MI noAv evening next, February 26th, 1838, at the LARGE ROOM, YORK Horst, Tarieton-street, at Seven o'clock. Members are urgently requested to attend, as the Reports of the Committees appointed at the list Meeting will be taken into conAderation. _ _ W. J. PEACH EY, Secretary. Committee Ream ort.h-street, Feb. thh, 1838 N .B. - Metilbert who have not renewed their. Annual Tickets can du so Wily by applying' to the Secretary, at the Cossatt- VATIV6 Tea oessities NEWS-000M. DIOC ESA N SOCIETY. rpHE ANNITAL MEETING of the CHESTER DIO CESAN SOCIETY will be held in the CHAPEL OF TILE BLUE COAT HOSPITAL, on MOriDAY next, the 26th iugtant, at Twelve o'clock. The Right Rev.- the LORD BISHOP OF CHESTER in the Chair. Also. a SERMON will be Preached on behalf of the CHURCH PASTORAL AID SOCIETY, by his Lordship, on TU^SDAY Mott t NG neat, the 27th instant, iu the-Church of ST. NtctroLAs, at Eleien o'clock. Empertal parliament. }OUSE LORDS.—AIoNoAv, Tne Loen Cti A NIL El.t,ott. upon the motion for the third read in,; or bauking copartnership brit, proposed , soine verbal amendments, upon which a short discussion ensued,.to which the LJttl Chancellor, Lords Etlentrurotigh, Abioger, and Itedes dale, took a part. The atneutlments wete then agreed to, and the hill !sassed. • The bill was then taken down by ihe Masters in Chancery to the Hoose of Commons.—A message from jtre Commons Grought back the bill, after a considerable interval; with the amendments agreed to.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MoNoAr. : ,..,....e.ttu,inos . .NTAity st iiuronS BILL. Lora.S. R6'siii.t: moved the oi'der 'of the day for the third reining of this lull. Mr. MACI.EAN rose to oppose the third reading of the bill, because be considered it but the commencement of a seties of changes which would becoustantlY urged forward, until all the i vilal principles of the constttution would be gone. Sir R. t'gg.t. wished to leave a record of the grounds upon.. which .ire opposed this bill; and the main one was, that he con sidered it was only one step io the alteration of the principles of that measure which they were inthicetl' to consider as Ilse set t tem ent of a - great quest ion. (Hear,' hear.) The noble lord (J. Russell) had refet red th the zeal with which he (Sir R. li. Peel) had throughout all its Stagts opposed the reform bill.. He vindicate' that conduct. (Hear; and cheers.) , There could be not hiug inure consistent thsu every-opposition to that hitt during its progress; hilt when it did pass—When it was accepted as a great national settlement—was he to propose or 'sanction iefortii on reforms ?,- lie would resist • every thing which'went to break down the ptorisions of that measure, be- Use greater evils sprung from agitating those changes th in ever good could flow from then. (Hear, hear ) The- reform bill established three tests fur lhiquality iii enters now under. consideratiou,-first, that they shouts' be "resirlents.tu the tette ments they occupied fur twelve months; seconillvi. That their. tenements shimid be of.the value of ten pounds per annum; and, thirdly. that they should have paid on theist of July the rates and taxes dire ou tire 6th of April. nose three tests were or course designed as proof of pecuniary competency. The qualification eta by the present bill still the same—the value tn . 1.:10 was still the saine—but the alteration introduced by the. noble.lord was, that the voters should have a longer period for the payment of their rates. BY the proposal of the noble lord, six months additional were given: The house tax had been re petted, the window tax reduced ref half itsaumuut, anti the poor rates brought ilo'wa fetrist' £8,739 831. to .f.4.,&10,000; and there fore the pecuniary qualifications 'in' 1832, by'.l he operation of these acts. had been greatly reduced. Oa the ground that the present bill was. not an unprovement. but, on the main ground. that he would not appear to acquiesce in an 'unnecessary and uncalled for change in. the elective franchise, and one which 'would_ lead, to greater changes in the representative system, be (Sir It. Peel) opposed the third reading of the bill. Lo'd J. lit;ssk. - .i. said, with regard to the present bill being an alteration of the ieform bill, had they not on more than one occasion altered that measure? Had not bon. gentlemen op posite, who pow wei e so etaniorons against any alteration them selves, urged many changes,? (Cheers from the ministerial benches.) The days of election hail been.aliered itt one in stance, the f places in another, and other chauges had been proposed and carried -The hon. gentlemen opposite had no ot.reci ion to the amendment of that provision oft he reform will which fixed tiro charge of Is.sipon.freemen on their admis sion-1 hear , heart—vet rocs had every. ,ol , ,jectiOa to the alter aeon ut the provision which directed the LEO occupation. , The voter was in the first place, to entitle lido° a place its the re gistry, to pay his taxes up to the preceding sth of April; but in after years only to the nib of October previous. The trouble and vexation to the voter would ,ihns be rendeted as light as possible. Every one knew that, although electors might pay teat attention to the preservation of their franchise in the fist instance, yet that, subsequently, the same iudividuals might floc Lie able to pay their taxes up so promptly. However, the previous entries would show that they were the original voters; anti they might be tolerably sure that they were seivetit, and -.living in Lilt houses, and then thev'tseed dot look so strictly to points of time in the payment or Mr Gotteoi.eNe said if the noble lord persevered in his alter ations and tainperings with the substantial protections provided in the reform 1011, he might still, indeed, have what he called ER/ voters, but he would lose the means or testing and ascer tatning them to be such by the payment o? the king's taxes and poor rates. Colonel SI faHeRP said, the present measure wasone of those `horrible ministerial tricks—(a laugh)—those underhand whig naeasures—( laughter)—sti eh which the nniilit lord bad rendered them raMiliar. He begged to be uodeastood, that in voting vgainst.the (sill he did nut wish tooppose the repeal of the stamp 'duty nfkw po.id by Freem en : but lie made it a point to oppose every Nag bt'ought in by the present corrupt government. (Cheers and laughter.) Sir W. leo Li.ari sitid s ,thati. he for one, would vote against the *bill, not because it repealed the freemen's stamp duty, but be 'cause it introduced the subject of that repeal in such an under hand manner as it' it were a . boon or a brfbe to permit the alter ation of the franchise established by the reform bill. The hisuse then divided, and there appeared—Av g 189 ; noes, 172; majority for the third reading, 17. 'roe house then went into committee tin the Irish poor law bill, and proceeded as far as' the 56th clause ; when the chair man reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again. The house adjourned at half-past twelve o'clock. • HOUSE OF LORDS.---Tußsom Lord BR 0 LG - ITA &I brought forward his promised motions re garding negto slavery; first.: moving an address; secondly, proposing resolutions regarding the slave trade; and, thirdly, the extinction of slavery, or the apprenticeship system. His lordship, it. Will her seen spoke at great length, and with con siderable force, in support of those several propositions. Lord GLENULC, also, at considerable length answeled Lord Broug . harn iu detail, showing the different treaties that bad been entered into . between South AmeriCan as well as • European powers, since 1821, when their !outstrips, in an address. haul to complain of the four great powers of .Europe—Spain, Holland, France and Portugal—powers that were not now liable to sitni lar alr ricks. He opposed Lord lir oug,tram'S address because it would not lead to any practical result; and proposed atwitter address in its stead, expressive of the very deep and anxious 'feeling thee still had on this - subject, stating that they viewed the additional treaty with Spain as well calculated to promote the extinction of the Slave traffic; but regretting that the Por ttignese flag was still used to cover this traffic, and expresssing an opinion that that nation ought to 'bake efforts to co-operate with England for the extinction of slavery. He opposed the ;esulutiou for abolishing bead money, and far licensing letters of Marque; and also the resolutions regarding the-speedy abo lition of the apt►renticeshins, as equally prejudicial to the lie vies and unjust to the owners. . The Duke of WELLINGToN supported the course proposed by Lord Glenelg. There was afterwards mach discussion. which ended in the adoption of Lord Glenelg's amendinent.—Adjourned. 14OUSE OF COMMONS:--Ti,EsDgY. Three ballots - were fixed, hut ouly oue was vat:en—that for Marylebunew On those ,for floniton and Laoarkshire tieing galled ou, the parties did not answer ; couarqueully the baltots in those cases did not take place. Sir W: MottswouT4 stated the terms of • the address which he should wove onlhe 6th of M arch, expressive Of tl6s want of confidence". ici . Lord G enelg, as colonial secretary_ ;-adding, that he should move a call of the house fot That d'ay. A petitiocs eta presented frir the discontinuance of the in come to the , Klug Hanover. Mr. Fiat:ism afterwards, in a lone - speech, moved for leave to hying in a °di to repeat the poor taw atnendmeut act—a pri.)- position tht*t led ro the - whole n ight's discassion. Mr. H A KVE.V . moved the' " previous question''—namely, that the other kusiness be proceeded with. . Sir R. Pahl. opposed the motion. Lord - J. - H t SSE I t. expressed a hope that the house Would not sanction the mode of evading I lie motion proposed by Mr. Harvey, but that it would directly meet the question. The house eventually divided. 'The numbers, on the amend ment, were—aveg, Id; noes, 321. On the original motion they were, for Mr. Fielden, 17; against, 309 niajority, Adjourned. tiOUSE OF COM MONS.—WsomssosY. MAI:Voir:CONE ELECTIoN —NEW WHIT. ..„. . Lord Easzsor:, as chairman of the Marstehone Election Committee, reported to the house that the committee bad de eided that ihe sitting member. Sir Samuel Whalley, oid-not possess a sufficient property qualification to entitle' him to sit parlianient The committee had therefote resolved bat the election was null and yord. • his lordship then moved that the speaker do issue his writ for the election of a burgess ror ihe borough of Marvlebour., iu the mom of Sir S. Whalley.— Ordered.. A number of petitoins on various subjects were presented: Capt. PECHELL gave notice that ou Thuisilay. the tst of March, he should move for a return of the nitinlierof slave vessels captured by her Majesty's cruisers since the Ist ot . Jan., disting,uishing, the nation lowhich such vessels belonged:- and whether. at the time of the capture, such vessels contained any slaves - or not . The' second reading of the municipal boundaries' bill was postponed until the 14th of March. The committees of supply and ways and means was postponed until Friday. The second reading of the waste lands (Ireland) bill and 'tenant for life (Ireland) bill were postponed. At a quarter before live o'clock an hon. member moved that the house be counted, when, only 29 members oeing present, the Speaker declared t he house adjourned until to-morrow; Four ladies resident in Wakefield have subscrilied no leg.; than £ll5 towards the fund for erecting a new church in shat town. A. most beautiful mind rare phenomenon was observer! by - :sontkpersons at Brighani. WM( Cockertnowh, nu. Monday last, ahout.ls Minutetio et ht A:"14. A litroe fiery bah or Metem , , - - ..",,ltintittaitelt,_,Veprtirlue north, -trn!l apparently abou. , a • mile b . ivh, V wirkatuaztog au u , t eastern roursr, whPo it, he 'eatnaleattuguished, and A, !OP . /lair Vito atitokeAtiqrS The meteor, while in the shape of a globe, wag 41.otit he , :size of the moan when full, et risin?;, but of a much whiter and more transparent colour. The whole appearance lasted perhaps three seconds. Had it been dark. instead of a few minutes before the "Tieing of the ann. the Rase of this transitory o; , .fret would have been truly grand to the lovers 14 nature, in her moat suillinie apersticrai.—Wisitahavins Hare/41. TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. On Wednesday last, the adjourned monthly meeting of the Town Couthil was held. • .11,101ORIALS: The MAYOR presented a number of petitions from different individuals playing for situations in the Police force,,&c. They were severally referred tht he Finance, and Watch committees. A letter was then read from Dr Buck expressing his acknow ledgeineuts fur his appoint Merit to the chaplaincy of the_ Borough, Gaul. A petition was read from Dr. John Quale, complaining that the freedom, of the borough was withheld from hint, though he had served an apprenticeship of seven years. 'rise TowN-ct,ertx. explained, that he had given his opinion ai•gainst Dr. Quale's receiving his certificate of freedom, ou the ground that he had not served seven years under the indenture of apprenticeship, but had served two years and a half pi iur to, the indenture, during which time he was not serving in the re lation of master and apprentice. The MAYOR said, it was a hard case no doubt,•he had served his master seven years, but not under the iudeutuie. He, there fore, supposed the council would coutirin the opinion of the 'Town-clerk. • Mr. Councillor Du - sicAr4i - saiii, he knew the late council were very ,ineral in their construction of such - cases, and he thought that, piobably, this might be a — Case iu which a committee of there might examine the case. _ _ .• •.. . The Ala yok said, the-fact was, the late council had it in their power to be liberal ; but the present council was so confined, that they hail it nut to the power to be liberal. Mr. Councillor Bovrot4 said, the case was quite clear; it could not be deait otherwise with than it had been, and he moved that-the.petition do lie on the table. The ToWN-ct.suit said, the former council had the power to give the freedom; and •in cases of hardship, in consequence of some slip. or the death - of a.master, they exercised their plwer • •to give the freedom. By the municipal act it was enacted "that from, and after this act k nu persou shall obtain freedom by gift or purchase," but from inquiry he had ascertained that this ' would be a case in which: the application would not have been granted by the old council. The subject theft dropped. The Deputy Towrt-c LEAK then read a memorial from Lieut. Low, emigration ageat :to the effect, than when he was ap pointed totheoffitie heAseld,iii May. 18.33, it was with_ the un-' derStanding that err-augments had been made with the corpo ration tu , supply?hitn:witb au office and lodgings at thecorpora lion expense. 'll*'ittas also stated . by• Land Stauley iu his placein the itouse.of CUmnironsandt hough the metnoria:ist had no meaps l pf ascertaining on what authority Lord Stanley bad made tiit'statettPtit; he presnini'd that the rrolde lord had _not Made it without the best ailthority. The memorialist tur titer stated ] that thAt arrangement. was made (luring the mayor alty,uf M r . liorsialk; who was ready to confirm his statement respeetiog it; aird.!he• hoped that the council would take the suo , j ect into cousttletatiou, that the arrangement inightle pro periv adhered to..•' The memorial was referred to the . Finance committee.. POSTOFFICT► R Jiro The Deputy ToivN-cLEuK tt n •n pruceeiled to read the follow ing memorial, .brouwilt up by Mr: Barclay, agreed on by the comtnittee on Pustodice -retinal; to be presented by the council to the government " The memorial of the Mayor', - Alderinen, and Common Council of Liverpool in Council assembled, " "'That the - tateinOrialisti cannot doubt that your honourable house will give the - iiittject of Postolike reform your most seri-, out cousideration, itt _cousequence of the numerous petitions that have been itreSenteit to its favour by so titans important 'public bodies, siippoited as they . : have been in both houses of parliament 'by tlibSe Members whose opinions are entitled to every deference. At the same tiote,.your memorialists conceive that they should not discharge the duty which they owe to the vast commercial communit.y they represent, if they cf.& not urge, in the strongest terins;the• expediency of a great and sensible reduction' in the present 'rates of-the 'postage of letters; their silence might otherwise be construed into indifference with regard lii a measure 'which they deem to be of the first import, ance, not only to' those who are engaged in commerce, hut to the cOuutry at large. The arguments in a pamphlet. recently published by Mr. Rowland Hill, in favour of the plan fur Post office reform which it advocates. appear to your ineinurialists conc lusive and iricotit rover( ible, and they can wit figure to them , , seiveS any reasonable objection that can be urged against the plans except the possibility of a decrease in the revenue by its adoption. Your Memorialists concur in the prevailing senti ment, that any tax which impedes the circulation of knowledge through the couutty is highly impolitic, and they conceive that nothing contributes more to do this titan the present excessive rates of postage. ' • " Your memorialists respectfully submit that in their opinion no Material reduction would occur in the revenue from the adoption of a plan founded upon the suggestions of Mr. Hill, provided that wi partial experiments be made in ti, as its site-, cess seems wholly to depend upon its being fully and faith tried.' ' " Entertaining these 'Opinions, tour memorialiAts earnestly hope-that fair 'honourable lame . will take immediate steps for cairsing PostofEee 'reform into cotnplete effect. They beg further to: - add;•rhatif any defalcation to the ,revenue shouid arise, contrary to their expectahtus, by doing so, they are presied with the belief that. the country, would wil ingly make up the 'deficiency in'-some other way, ra , tier than forego the in advantages' which your memorialists cunceive are likely to lie derii/ed from the proposed alterations.. " And- your itemorialists'a ill ever pray.P The MAYOR inqiiired if the council agreed in the petition, and if any member would move that it be presented. Mr. Councillor BAtici.Ar would move that the memorial be presented !o lmth housesair parliament. Mr. Councillor 1 - I , N KY HOLMES seconded the motion. ?qr. Councillor But.ToN thought the point about the diminu ti„n of the revenue too strongly put. lie feared that they hail committed themselves in it, as it was not borne out by tact. The NI syntr-inquireil .if Mr. Boltutx_wisheit to, wove an amicnatatc.t: • Mr. Councillor BOLTON, after having had the part he objected to read Over. said it appeared to him too strong: COlincilb.ir H. LA wirrorcE said, - agreeing with a goad deal that Mr. Bolton had said, might not an arrangement be made for materially benetitting the public without- materially injuring the revenue. For his own part. he was far from being convinced Of the utility of Mr. Hill's plan. lie thought it would materially Injure the revenue. The. MAYOR would suggest for the convenience-of the coun cil, that if the memorial were not corrected in that point in the council, the simpler way would be to refer it back to- the com mittee. The Deputy TOWN CLERK read the part objected to "your memorialists submit. that 'no material reduction would occur if Mr. Rowland HON plan were adopted."' Mr. Councilloi Bottom said he did not concur in that. • He begged that that part be reirrreil back to the' committee to pre- pare a memorial less strongly expressed with regardqa- Hill's plan. Mr. Councillor Isat.tt.-.Don't you think it could . be (lotto now the questiod is under d . iscaSsion. • Mr. Alderman P;vsNs said he was on the committee, and-had expres,ed . his dissent altogether to the tone of dictation and p e remptory annOMR-einent of the exclusive excellence of Mr. II ill's plan; and im. ( lnestionably if they looked at the wording of the memorial, it excluded the remainder of the instruCrions • that were sent to the'cononittee from the council. • l'hey had left out altogether thequalification "or some older plan." They had expreieed in the most absolute manner that nothing hut Mr. Rowland Hill's plan would succeed. Mr. Counciliol• EAIIIA.—" No no; based on his plan." The M yott.—Woolit Mr. Bolton prepare his alteration, Mr. Councillor WA 1:1-11:8 CURRIE.— Peihaps the' councit will authorise Mr. Bolton to retire into an adjoining room to prepare the 1 etit ion ?(A cry of the Committee.) ' Mr Alderman SHhti, did not see how the committee could retire to make 'any alteration in the memorial till the Council had decided that the Memorial required - alteration. As a mem ber of the committee he did not • think it was treating them fairly that lieeause one or tWo gentlemen thought proper to object to the particular wording Of a memorial, drawn up with .considerable care and after a good deal of discussion, they should be authorised to alter it. lie was much surprised at the exception of Mr. Evans, because that report came to the coun cil as the unanimous recommendation of the committee; he said ucaniiuous, because it was agreed to by every member pre sent. Mr. Alderman EvANg begged to say that he was not present. Mr. AtderthanEtt: coutinued.—He believed it was an understood rule in committees, that could not be departed from without much incotivenience, that the member of a committee shou ld uut oppose the decision of that coininittee.unless he had divided i 1 o n the point to which he objected, leading the com mittee to udderitiin-d that there would be opposition from one of their own body. It was for the council to decide on any alte ration it might think proper to adopt. The committee could do nothing emit -unless it had a positive instruction to alter any•particulal words. The committee could du no better than the' petittonit tool agreed to. • Mr. Aldethniati.Evaris hoped for the indulgence of the council for one moureol,‘ to make it evident that he did not deserve the lecture which , he had received on, the score of propriety from his friend Mx. Shed. &tore the committee met he spoke to Mr,',ltaiuscieo oo Ihe subject, and mentioned his views; he afteruaLds-met, birti at the rop.of Hanover-street, and again. ob- T w e a t ,4 l7 B : l l:sityn of the en t imittee. He wa # opt absent I :t o ro cte tt iti te d e the committee at f th i o e rn sa n o e t g e s Te h c ou , r. bu o t hd be w c h au eu se ho an w f a it t l i i t er to co t t h t conitnittee•helOuud it haill his adjourned. He then read the i t t e e p Nr o lar r f t .t e o c ' r iz o e it t ett a tt ncl itg .e . a press Air Eeatrle'ias e d x i i sle u ri a t t i i n ou th . e most decided man tier said Mr. Evans had obieCted to the I petition , ' ,l llbeiit instructions w ere ' to discuss Mr. Hill's plan. an d Mr. Evans, as h e u erstou.i him, was always, opp osed Thr .Agra said this wa s to it. ... .. outa very ever Mr. , 'Evana had said .irregular discussion What oof committee it did not.at all go ~,against the decision of the ( Ririe, What Mr. Shell had sa i d was perfectly correct. hear.) Therefore Mr. Al derman Eva na.whis out of order i ' ri understood standing- order. W ould n ou taking objection against the e tti t e m ci i i t ti ? oci l l t r w ef u e s r v t e h r e b p i e i t u i . ... tion back .to the eurninitiee, or decide portant that they.should come to an unanimous Vote on this subject. .. with the consent of his se: Mr. Con n e tr i , l ef l wt o: hei ß siu t r i ‘ L etr T ntoi n ,e 7 rria t a h lo e tse n t r;l:,iom,e ntihilaensaWi i l a hethought warranted t,y eg t th e - r wit tt o c it t 'h i e ar d is. , Tb e part which t f l i t t e ij objected o f: was that which stated that no material latid Hill's plan. ; t e n' wouldidsluireopfrom as th e sil l a it ti t7i P en i i 1 e a o f l A , i t rr h e a t i ll e t t . ti ,et y ls o d u „a r ff le i t t u g o r r e i i: t is ha t s . are of .opinion t bat a Plan might he adopted, wow material reduction or the revenue which, without that he did not cilities Witte oolitic in the circulaLn e i ti ti otof say Mr. Councillor Rs msoats be. The instructions desired agree in opinion with Mr. Bolton with respect to ttiei:i t struc nous riven to the committee. refer ence to Mr, Rowland Hill's plan or some similar there fore he did not think, eta accordance with these plan; that the committee could have done otherwise than i t ushlicji6--- ' Besides the question was very fully argued whether h ad done. arguments for the ' aCio it p , t ( i ' o "in u ' o P i Row hod Hill's plan s hould be adopted or not ; and he th i ..iu - g r ht ß t i ti c a - t if they were to speak on the subject for many count. they could not tiring such strong the titan as 'sir l:oA land Hill hail done. Mr. Councillor WA I.t.acg CI , ItIt I E said t here p he l r a e n h :.e d re beena distinct objection in the council to log the council uP to Mr ' Howland H plan, or . ill's if sot ne other simil ar intro duced. And if the counc il, on reddin , ,.; the me mor i a l f oun d that qualification was not included, there was no disrespe c t i n begging that these words "or some similar ',lan' were intro duced two the memorial now. objection to ntro- Mr. Gioncillor li • MSDEN sho uld have no oli• • I • duct. those words. Aftor some furiher diccussion the council went to the vote on Mr. 13,1 ton's atneitiltdoni ; w hen "there appeared 28 f,,r the amendment; anti ii against it. , Mr. 1-11.AcsuraN .o.j,etetl. in the Closing Sentence riflhe MP. fi.tba4t"they,hegged,fnrihf ged thiit if any defalcatiim of the revenur s'onilil arise 'Onirarji In their . c , ipettatiniii. by doistit.so, stied weit:i,iiipi'esseirtvith the' belief that the country would w ittinoly miik, ate deficiency in smile other %sitv rather than hireoo the inc,aiinatile advantaves of the proposed a:teratinns." Now he thought the% were not at all authorised to sal that the country wout(l under an% circum.taiices sub mait to anottier tax. (Dear.) He would therefore propose as ail 3~ ~. UI! LIvERI ot.)1, alteration, that "they , are impressed with the belief that the government _might devise stone means of snip/Wit - 4 for the de- Mr. Councillor. BLACKBURN shortly after said, on second thoughts, he. would move that the concluding clause be altoge ther omitted. He thought that would be sutlicieut-without any alteration. Mr. Alderman .SH TEL seconded the motion. • . Mr. Councillor. RA tasnEs believed there could be no objec' 7 , Lion at all to this, for it Was a clatise on which there was a consi deraole difference of opinion. The motion was then agreed to. • The MA YON said they now came to the vote whether the me morial as now altered be adopted? Mr. Councillor 11 LAWRENCE wished to'express his di s sent to many of the arrangements of Mr. Rowland Hill's plan; but .he did not wish to divide the council on the subject. The MAYOR presumed then, with the ohjeciton taken by Mr. Lawrence, the memorial was unanimously passed. Agreed to. It was then agreed to that the petition should be presented to the Commons by the memi.ers for the borough, and that in the Lords it should be presented by Lord Brougham, and that Lord Ashburton be respectful tequested to Support it. FEES or THE E‘mocoti COURT, 8:c. The TOWN-CLERK said, under the municipal act the council of the boroog h were required to settle the table of fees for the clerk of the peace, the registrar of the borough court-, and the clerks of the Magistrates. A letter had been received from Mr. Phillips, on behalf of Lord John Russell, stating that •his lord ship had sent tables of fees to the several borough councils ; that he had received tables of fees from the officers of other boroughs. He now sent a - set of tables to the council of Li verpool, with a request that they would take them into consi deration, and submit to hiss lOrdship AC propriety orate charges, either as shown by his own labies, or by 'The tables of the Offi cers acting together for the different boroughs. He suggested that the tables be referred to ttre borough court committee. It was then agreed to that the report should be referred to the borough court's committee. REPORT OF THE COURT OF JUSTICES AND GAOL COMMITTEE, The TowN-eifins. read this report, in nhich some alterations were recomnietided in the prison discipline. Amongst other things they recommended a restriction of visitors to vagrants in gaol. By the present rules,. vagrants are permitted a - visitor at the end of one calendar mouth, but the committee recominend that no visitor be allowed until after the expiration of three months; vagrants for a less periodthan three months would thereby be prevented having any visitor whatever, but after the 'first three months one visitor would be allowed monthly. In the rule respecting visitors to debtors, an alteration was proposed which' would have the Cdfct of preventing the admission of visitors to debtors on Sundays altogether, unless by order of • justices in particular cases. The justices and the committee also in their report recommended that the system .of OM:Winn , be iminedialvly commenced. at theprison and in order to effect this, they stated it would be necessary to fit up a school•room, work-room, and dormitory, for ,the juvenile offenders. The sot veyor had furnished a plan of those alterations, and estimates the expense of which would be £145. :The plan and estimate the justices and committee recommended to the council for adoption. They further reported, that under their direction;'a correspondence had taken place with the Secretary of State on the suhject of diminishing the expense of the removal of trans port convicts, anti referred the council to extracts from a letter add-essed by the Clerk of the. Peace to the - Secretary of, .State, on the 23.1 becember last, and froM the reply of slr. Phitlipps thereto, dared the, 10th instant, which explained the bearing of the question. The extracts read were nearly as follows,:—First, the Clerk of the 'Peace to the Secretary of State. " YOur lord; ship is aware from the claim made on the government by the corporation fur the expenses of the removal of convicts to the port of embarkation how heavy that expenditure is: and it is with a view to diminish this charge upon the country. thal,l . auar directed now to apply to your lordship. " The number ot transport conv.cts. removed from this bo rough during the year, from the Ist July, 1836, to th,e 30th June,' 1837. is 156. and the cost of and attemling the removal £621 176,. I ain infortned that the number of transport convicts removed from the count of Lancaster (including this bhrough) avera . gis . 500 a year. " I am so instructed; that vessels are from time to time char tered (rain this port forum use of government, in the convey ance of transports from Dublin, and other ports id Irelaro); and that such vessels leave this port in , a complete state, and fit fur the immediate reception of " state these circunistances with a view of bringing before your lordship far consideration, whether an arrangement is prac , ticahleor advisable, making the port of Liverpool a. placaof ,embar katton fur the. cOuntY of Lancaster; and for such of the adjoining'comities , as it may be deemed expedient to include in the arrangements; or in con n e xi o n With the present establish- Anent, in' the ports of Ireland. The scheme, if practicable, pears to hold out the prospect of a great s:tving in expenditure." " S. M. PHILLIPS, ESQ., TI) THI4 SIA " Dated Whitebait, 14th Feb. 1838. " With reference to the removal of prisoners under sentence of transportation, I am to inform you, that Lord John Russell thinks the making Liverpool the ..pitme of embarkation for pri soners from the county of Lancaster would .be open to many ohjectious, as well on the ground of inconvenience as of in creased .expense; and he cannot therefore recommend 'such a Measure. In totter to relieve those boroughs in which a rate in the nature of .a county rate is raised, the mivern went has. agreed to reimburse them the amount expended in the convey ance of prisoners under vutence of transportation; and Lord - John Russell concludes, that the horough of Liverpool the benefit of this arranginent. The government has a plan under consideration for taking into their own hands the convey ance of prisoners under sentence of transportation, win& all boroughs will be-relieved from any charge forlhis service." - - .The report further stated, that the justicei end I he commitiee had• taken into consideration a communication of the 15th inst. from the secretary of state in the mayor, on the important sub ject of the eression ,if a new prison, and or the exteusive altera - 7 tion, additions, and improvements a'ready approved of by the Owned with respect to the present buildiogs, together with the' .report of Captain Jelib and of !tie law officers tit the crown on separate confinement; and that. they hail appointed a sub-coot. init,tee to draw un.a, reply to rh.t eommunication and. reoort, AO would again tiring the _subject before the council at their Meeting on the 7th of March. They then went on to report, that au application hart been made from John Martindale, in spector of hackney coaches, for some reinuneration for his ser vices in collecting fines, and Ihe'y recommended that some al lowance should be Made, on security being given by the inspec tor for the due discharge of his duty in the collection. The 31 A volt theiionseryed, perhaps the council would adopt the report as far as would be mentioned by the Town-clerk, omitting terrain parts. The Towm-ct.iiiiic said the subject which was already fully betore the counCil,• was the alteration in the rules of the gaol. it had been recominanded by the justices esti approved by the secretary of state. • • The M A rim, as a matter of form, would put the. question,- whether the rules be approved and adopted, when Mr. 131.acicBURN inquired whether it was necessary, in point Of fact, that the count il should give its sanction to them. The TOWN•CLKUK replied in the affirmative. , Mr. BLACKBURN would then ask was it lair that the council should he called upon to giveitd sanction to such rules untnerely hearing them once rea't over. They could not give an enlight ened and intelligent sanction td them without having other means of becoming familiar with theist. He must admit, that he could not conscientiously give a sanction to them till he knew what they were. Their giving a sanction to the rules of course implied, that they recommended them. lie should, therefore, propose, that the confirmation be postponed to the next meet ing tillthey.had considered them. He felt the importance of this rule uu former oscasions,, but hail been unwilling to. appear fastidious or factious; but he thought it desirable, that they should take some means of obtaining access to the reports of the magierates, whieli.were vary' important. By the proposedrule, v.igrants were not permitted a visitor until alter the expiration or three Months, and he inquired whether that was an ahiolute rule, or whether the justices had power to dispense with it. That rule snowed the necessity. that they should have a know ledge of what they sanctioned. He owned his own inability to give an inteliigent sanction to such rules without knowing what they were. The TowN-cl.sex replied, that the justices had the power in all cases of granting orders for the admission of visitors. Mr. BLACKBURN was desirous that the council should give an enlighleneit and intelligent sanction, and he thought no in convenience could result from th e delay of the. confirmation until that day fortnight. The MAYOR said, perhaps Mr. Blackburn would permit the Town-clerk: • The TOWN-CLERK said that means had been taken to put the members in possession of printed copies of the gaol reg-ti Minns, after which they had agreed to a renort which he read. and which related to the Sunday visiting of debtors, and the ill effects of, any interruption of - divine .service, and also the restriction of visitors to vagrants and criminals. In consequence of those reports, made so long since as the 22nd Nov., those rules bad been adopted and sent for,the approval of the Secretary of Stain which had ended in his lordship fully approving of the altera tions in these rules. Every care had been takeu to have the conned fully instructed respecting them. Mr. BLACK BURN again inquired whether in all cases whatever the visiting justices had power to dispense with the rules relating to the visiting of prisueets. The MA you replied—certainly. MI the members of •the council hail power to refer to the reports of. the justices; it would be attended with some inconvenience if the rules were not passed. Mr. BLACKBURN then withdrew his amendment, and the rules received the cnufirination of the council. The TO%VN-CLERK said the next subject was the proposed im provements in the school-room, work-room, and dormitory, the' expense of which will be about £145. . . . The M Avon put this question, which also received the sanc tion. of.theyouncil. The TowN.cr.airk said the next subject was the removal of transport convicts. The council was now in possession of the! letter from himself to the Secretary of State, auirtheireply thereto. Mr. Councillor J. N. WOOD said it appeared- frOm what then Town-clerk had said, that unless they had a borough rate they, could not be relieved from the expense of the traustulasion'Of convicts. The TOWN-CLERK said he had stated that was an objection, but it must give way. • Mr. Councillor J. N. Woon.—Will the council be.relieved foul the expense ? The To%VPI-CI.EeK thought the objection that they 'ought 'first to have a. borough rate was not tenable; and• that they sturtild. get over it. 1%.1r. Councillor J. N. Wooti.—Lord John Russell has • not expressly stated his object tots. The Towtsi-ct.istra.--No; his objections ore eenetal. Mr. CiattiE thought the auswer of Lord John liusnell vas not one; that they could sit down dissatisfied with. It was due to them lo he relieved from the payment of this transport t r m . nej; even though they had no borough rate it ought nut to fall on them. And, although Lord John Russell might say that it was inexpedieut. far. reasons which he did, not take the trouble to state. they had a right to expect that ships a sl t oitt h l e d he fitted lip het e for the conveyance of convicts to C rk, in order th a t their expenses might be as li g ht as possible. The Suitt fur con veying convicts to Wo o l w i c h, whi c h they were expense of, was as large as front IA to £4 10s. per head, and he hoped a proper representation would be made, so that some alteration should be effected, and that the Town-clerk would not intermit in his exertion to have it remedied. Mr. EA It LE said Lord John Russell pretended to a reform ing minister. but that did not give them a favourable Opinion of him as a reformer, and he hoped the county magistrates would take up the subject, for it would be as great a relief to the county as the borough, and prevent the continuance of th e pre -' sent as stein of sending ux) convicts into the country merely to serve the London shipowners—Mr. Young and others. - Mr. Councillor BI11131( Pala it was more economical In'send convict ships from here than from Ireland ; and if there was a tender to he made, he certainly would lender for £2 a head l e ss fur any ship of his. or any merchant's, to sail from Liv erpoo l rather than . from Cork. The same wind which carrie.l the set out to Cork would carry it out, to ea;s ;toil for want r t f thai -wind afterwatils the ve6sel, might be clet.i i thed 'some tirrie dt The TOWN CI.ERK said the torins'useil by tritd - 3:6lifortv s pil were, that he thought that making Liverpool a place of embark ation for transports would he inconvenient as well as expensive. Mr. Councillor BIBBY —Then lie is in error. Mr. Councillor liisNity LAWRENCE said he was instructed tbat English convicts were Out sent to Cork; that only Irish convicts were sent there. Bitt they ought to secure the shipping trout this port as much as p.,sstble. • • The MAYOR said he might obserie that the answer of Lord. John . 4ussell was very unsatisfactory - to the french- of tnagis , trates,:;and if the council -, .va'dko of that opinion they would perhaps refer it back to the bench' of magistrates, that cotninu iiicate4hat opinion to them, for the TOwn•cleuk to confer with • Lord:dohn livssetl respecting it. • . Mr.: Aldertitan said the pirsent system'apneared the toast objectionable that could be imagined. Convicts were now seat frOur Liverpool to•Woolwichfor.Portstnouth, or Plymouth, and the.o round the island of Great Britain, for nu other reason that he could discern but to increase expense. The convicts might easily be sent to Dublin. The present was the west ex pensive and inconvenient mode that could be adopted, .and him could not untierStand any principle that could produce it except to assist stone "jobbine concern in or near London. For he could not find men acting so absurdly or so contrary to common sense, without sonic motive. Mr. Alderman Beni' moved that the subject be referred back to the justices and the gaol committee, the reply of Lord John Russell being unsatisfactory. ' Mr. Councillor Woon seconded the motion, which was unani . monsty adopted. • . The Towts-CLERK then said, passing over the next subject. he wont(' call the attention of the council to the recommendation to allow Mariiudale some remuneration foe his additional ser vices ,in the collection of tines. A memorial was read from Martindale, and a recommendation from Mr. Hall, stating that he had .cullected the fines with-much diligence and activity. The 'application was referred to the finance' committee. -4 BRBCTION OF A NOV BOROUGH GAOL. The TOWN-ciEttx than read -a letter received from Mr. Phil. lipps,. ou behalf of Lord John Russell, dated the 15th instant,, in whichit was staled that his lordship had received a very full and satisfactory report, upon the state of the BoroughGwl, from Captain Jebb, who was directed by -his lordship to inspect the gaol, and CoMmonteate with the mayor and the visitiog justices. Also that his lordsh'.p hail directed theta copy of Captain Jelib'S report .be transmitted to the mayor, with the request that he would submit it to the town-council for their consideration,; par reqoesting their attention to that part of the report, in which Captain Jebb states his opinion that " all the interests coucerned would, in the end, be best studied, were the local authorities to regard the occupation of the present gaol, and the, contract - with the county for the custody of some of their prison; ers, as ::temporary measures, and set iously to entertain the ; question of building a new prisoo, on an improved principle, as •soott•as any existing difficulties may be removed." The letter lutther stated, that Capt. Jebb had informed Lord John Rus -sell .that , the council were advised : that some doubts might be, eet c eppined as to the legality of.the•individual separation of Poi; • sowers; and that his lordship thought it might be satisfactory to tfi6 ethinCil to receive a (0,,y , of an opinion of the law officers of the r-innvil upon a case submitted to them, as to the power of the secretary of state to sanction regulations submitted. to him for approval, which provided for t heindividual separation-of prison ers. '..The letter requested the mayor tO bring before the council the subject which now - must immediately presses, namely, the temporary alterations, which are necessary, previously to the building Ora new gaof. Th 6 TOWN-s:i.s.ttic than read Captain Jebb's report relative to the Borriugh Gaol, which he had addressedfrom Birmingham to Mr. Phillipps, on the 6th of January last, as follows: `,s;Sir,—l have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 14th ultimo, enclosing copies of -a correspondence which ..bas taken place relative •to the Borough Gaol at Liver poid, and. conveying the orders of Lord John Russell that I should visit the gaol, and report-upon it:with reference to the several statements contained in the letters which have passed upon the subject. • reply I beg to state-that, in compliance with his lord ship's:Wish, I obtained an interview with Captain Williams,. the inspector of prisons for the northern district, previous to leav nig London, who personally gave me all- the information in has power; and I than took the earliest opportunity, which toy OtitieS in connexion with other boroughs permitted, of proceed ing, to . Liverpool.' I there waited upon the mayor, who wits . , good enough to accompany me to the gaol, and to afford me ; every facility for inspecting it, and at. his request I subsequently attended a special meeting of •the visiting justices, at which a copy of the last general report ',Nine adjourned.Qoarter Sessions, (held by the justices on the sth December, - 1E137,) relative to the prison, was placed in my hands, as a document essential to the consideration of the question. I afterwards inspeiled the New Bailey Prison -at Kirkdale, tOwhich.a . proportion of the tnale'prisoners from the borough are coasinitted under a coat rac t with the county. " I bow beg to submit for his lordship's consideration the re sult of my inquiries. -'r he following,appeas t o me. to be the main points embraced by thecorrespontlence, • 1 . "Ist. Whether the construction and present state orthe Borough Gaol is such as will admit of au efficient system of •Prison disciipline being enforced—or- whether it is capable of tientg altered with a view .to improvement in discipline, Or so enlarged as to accommodate all the prisoners committed within the jurisdiction of the borough; involving also the qUeitioti of building a new gaol? "-IL- 'Whether any or what difficulties stand in the way of, or are likely to impede, the erection of a new gaol, should' the local authorities he disposed to build • one ; and Whether any misapprehension exists as to.the nature or extent of those tlif6- "cuities,:as effecting. the rd.(' within which a new gaol might be ready for the reception..of prisoners?. Whether the alterations and additions proposed to the onotigh Gaol, are absolutely required for present purposes, and :holier the outlay of a; large sum of money upon them tr. ight not affect tine question of building a new prison, which is stated to be extremely desirable ? " Report. With reference to the first question, as to whether the construction of the .Borough .G4Ol wit! admit of an efficient' system of prison dicipline being carried into affect, or whether it can be altered, or whether it would be More ekpedient to build' a new one; I beg to state that the present building having originally been laid out, with a view to the application of a sys- • • tem - itasid on a classi fi cation of prisoners, the general arrange ment and disposition of the several parts of it, and of the inte riot, are such as will only admit of certain modifications of that system being carried into effect. • " now to f.". 0 is .n or,pr.ltimot:on to the silent 'system, and .1. have much pleasure in stating;•irt eonfir inationvolibe report wade to his lordship in November last, this discipline, as far as the means extend for enforcing it, ap peared to be carried on in a very satisfactory manner; and that the interest taken by the visiting justices in the affitirs of the niison, hacked as it has been, by the vigilance and activity of a very able governor, has produced those favourable results on th e g eneral management of it whi c h mi g ht be ex p ec t e d. " fhe weans, however, do not exist for carrying out this sys tem with proper effect, and, to a considerable extent, the evils which confessedly arise from the association of prisoners are If necessity imposed and submitted to. . • " to support of this assertion, it will only he necessary to ad vert to the fact of there having been 444 prisoners in confine. Went at one period in the last year, and 443 at another period in the preceding year, and that the total . number of cells in all the different war ds, for their separate confinement by night, which, it vvili be admitted, is indispensable to any rational sys tem of discipline, is only 354. But this evil will present itself in a still stronger light, if reference is maile to the accompany ing return, (Appendix A,) .which shows the disposition of the iiiisoners at 'he period first alluded to (the 26th Aug., 1831,) and the occupation of the cells that day, which it appears was as follows, viz. cLAss. PnisoNgns. CELLS. 27 confined in 14 49 69 . . ...... 36 32 74 • ..... • • ••• • 31 45 25, , . . Total Prisoners, 321 Cells, and that the iemainder of the rgtnnin,der of the cells were dig• pused of as fpllows . ' cl,Ass. PRISONERS. CELLS. 1 ' ' ' ' 12 13 . . . . . . . 8 2 81 . . ' 14 39 . . ... , ..., lif 40 . .. „.. , 12 ,20 . .. 27 . . . , 13 Eiad 14 - : 12 • 1' ," The former "staiemennl wing .. that 321 pri so ners were placed, in 163 .ce 11 5, an d t h e l atter that 12,3 prisoners Might have confined in separaiecells; and that 68 cells or more might have beet vacant; forcibly exhibiting a practiCal inconvenience, arising partly out ()t i the construction of the building, and partly froin.the system of classification whir h cau,•es some wards to be crow. led to excess whilst other s are comparatively uniiccupied. But even where piisOners tire . hidged in separate celli, there exists in prison the ut most facility of communicating through large ventilation hOles, which open froin'each cell into the narrow passage which runs bet Ween them;' by making, use of•which a conversation Might be kept up almost in a whisp - er. In either case, therefo're there is a limit to that unrestricted in, tercourse which it is so desirable to interrlic(.. . _ • • : • " From a consideration of theie facts it would appear that to carry on atiysystein of prison discipline worthy of an enligtened nation, the present l_lorough Gaol would require to be so en larged as to afford the means - of separate confinement by night ofall. the prisoners within it, making also that due allowance of surplus accommodation which an adherence to the existing sys tem of clasSifiCation might `render necessary; it would be,re quisite also to alter the mode of ventilating the cells, so as to cut off the cominunicat ion between them, afforded by the present plan.. "The former' difficulty, with respect to - numbers, migt.t, hnwever, he partialty obYiated 5y making some alterations. at ,Kirkdate, and . sending a larger proportion of the borough prismiersthere, and it would he lessened in the went of any arrangement being made` whiCh wt;tifd relieve the gaol from the custody of the juvenile claii of Offenders and the debtors, and _this would utidoutiteify be the Cheapest course. " But however it taught recommend itself on that account, it Apes not atipear that such would be the only point of view ia which it.would he regarded by the council of Liverpool.. • ".It will' he gratifying to his loidship" to observe that what ever desire'there may be to economise the funds placed at their disposal,.yet there reigns in that influential body a parainou lit ' [Mints on the important Subject of prison discipline, and that there exists an anxious desire for an amelioration of the present system. The views of the council and the visiting justices on this subject are'retirded in the following restitution, extracted fc• ut the general report 'of the aljourned quarter sessions, held on the 5 h ultimo, Viz.:— " First resolution of the council at a special meeting held on the 9th o f 'Auglst; 18:17:--l'hat the council are fully aware of the inefficieney and even injurious effect of the present system of prison discipline, however well that system may be conducted. They' ret.s,ret the increase of crime, especially of ju‘enile delin quency, and fee: grateful to her majesty's ministers for the sit 7 rention they have . 'given to the subject. They are anxious to express their' earnest desire fur the amelioration of prison tbs . cipline. which they consider essential to civic economy, and to the welfate and security of all classes of the community ; and for the furtheratiee of this object, they solicit a fresh survey of the Borough Prison fur the purpose of effecting such altera tions, as will adopt it to the contemplated improved system." "On reading this resolution at the court hell by the justices on the sth ultimo, it was resolved:—'That this court is seriously impressed with the injurious consequences of the present sys tem of discipline. and are anxious for its amelioration. They are anxious at the same time to avoid any unnecessary expense, and would therefore respectfully request the council to apply to the secretary of state, to agaill cause a fresh survey to be made of the prison, as it is nor in a very different state from that in, whit h it was when first surveyed.' From the expression of such enlightened opinions, I am led to infer that any outlay which may be necessary fur prison nor pesei at Liverpool will he regarded on the broad principle of the beneffcial results which HMV be expected to follow, rather than.the Oimparaltve expense which may be regarded. for con tirminsCand•eStablishing one system which is considered incfli jedt, i n ste a d-Of adopting the requisite measures forsubstituting another, the merits nt Which Are uuw,f,ighly appreciated. ''The question therefore arises,—What are the musi practi cable and economical means of carrying those views into effect, by the substitution of the separate system of confinement, a hich presume to be that alluded to, fur the mixed system which present circumstances entails " In order to arrive at a Conclusion ott this subject, I studit;d the general dispositiou of the buildings compositig, thegaid, and the 'details ,of construction as regarded the arrangement and size of the cells, The tbickness of the partitions, ,toe. width of the passages. &e: to ascertain whether it was adapted for being 'al tered, so that it might torm a portion of a prison - on the same sife, arranged With a view of carrying that system into effect.; ,and sufficii-ntly 'e - iiinniodious to receive the whole of the borough prisoners, for I anxiouswas not to lose sight of the advantage of having all itie prisouers.committed . within the jurisdiction or .the municipal body, placed under the Control and management .of the authorities. " But I frinud,that without a great sacrifice of space, arising from the necessity !of throwing two cells into one, thus giving the prisoners a greater extent than is required, in& reducing the accommodation nearly one-half, no real improvement could be effected. This, coupled with the inadequacy of the present accommodation, fur all the prisoners committed within the bo rough which render it necessary to make such extensive addi- - tions to complete a prison on this plan, as that the expense would, probably be but little short of what might be required for a new prison of an improved construction, on a different and less valuable site; and as no possible alteration would remedy original defects,_ the result of any attempt to realise a plait of this sort would be an imperfect and inconvenient prison, ill :adapted for the Purposes required; and although ithwurthy of so important a borough as Liverpool, I cannot, therefore, but consider, that all the interests concerned would in the end be best studied, were the local authorities to regard the occupation of the present gaol, and the contract with the county for the custody of their prisoners, as temporary measures, and seriously to entertain the question of building a new prison, on an on proved principle, as soon as any existing difficulties may be re 7! moved. _ . . " With reference to the second question, respecting the ob. •itacles which exist to carrying the measure into effect, I am given to understand the, the justices do not feet themselves in 4 position to. recommend to the council the outlay of such a sum as would be required tor the erection of a new gaiif on the sepa rate.system, whatever benefits they may contemplate to result from it, with the enforcement of that system is more distinctly permitted by. some, legislative enactment; tor, according to the construction put upon the 4914 section of the 4th ofGeorge I V. , which provides for the classification of prisoners and nut their individual . separation, they are advised that there may be some doubt enteriained as to its legality; and it would appear that so'lonji as any .doubt existed upon - point of pecuniary import ance as regards the discussion of the question as that anyAbfk, "culties remain' Which it is iu the power of government to remove that it might be premature to press the point. ~Atiother ques tion of minor importance as affects the question of builditig a gaol, ityugh it ,ts.of paramount importance in itself, that ,re , specting the disposal jiivertile'Offeliders..' - TitiOclass,, of de, Unguents unhappily forms uo inconsiderable proportion of the inmates. of all gaols, and a's it appears to' be adiifitted that the discipline of-the separate systeuris nit altogetber•,applicable to youth, the numbers for whom it may he necessary to provide accommodat ion, cannot be ascertained until huntilihis point -is finally - determined upon C and as ii is a question ,greally.affecting the expense, especially where site is valuable, any curtailment of the number of cells to be constructed would have iit'direct• ten dency to diminish the difficulties which now, impede the pro gressive amelioration of prison discipline, and the -establish ment of one nuiform system. As far as regards the borough of Liverpoolh am impressed with the beiielthat no subStantial,difficulties exist which would, not be removed by the determination of the council to build.. And ciith respect to the time within which a new prison Might be expected to be ready for the reception of prisoners, I have little (UMW within a year and - a half of the resolution being passed to erect one, the means would be found for cum . pletinv it. ".With reference to the third question, of the - expediency of executing the-additions and alterations now proposed for the present gaol, my observations lead me fully to concur in the opinion expressed by Captain Williams as to its being necessary that some steps should immediately be taken to supply the fol 16 - wing deficiencies, viz :—a bath, a disinfecting apparatus, and *some means of securing greater comforts tnr the women employ ed in washing; and also as in its being very desirable that there should be the means of separating the sick in the event of any infectious disorder making its appearance among the pristmers. The alacrity with which' the justices and council appear dis posed to recimimend and supply these deficiencies and their obvious disregard of expens e i n secur i ng t h em , i s a gra tifyi ng proof of the deep interest th6y take in the subj ec t. The alter 'talons first proposed were at the estimated expense of £700; - bui those now contemp!ated, and the cost of each, as set forth • in the general report of the justices assembled in platter ses •sions, on the 21st November, !KW, are as follows 1. An examination and cleansing room, and a • • disinfeCting rootn, with•app.datus £.560 0 0 2. Au hospital 3. A wash-house with lauudty, and suitable conveniences - 290 0 0 4. A house fur the matron • 4CO 0 .0 5 - A conking-house, with'suitable conveniences 295 0 0 6. A watchman's cottage, outside the walls, • -• ' with au extension of the stables Total • £2455 . 0 0 The execution of these services Would doubt.ess add greatly to the comfort and convenience of all concerned; but as they are such as would not materially influence the discipline of the prison, and as the essentials for whiCh they provide could most of them he secured by lecturing, when necessary. to some tem porary expedient, it would appear itijudicious to expend so much Money on an improvement of so permaueot a t haracter, if there exists any probahitity of their being abandoned within any limited period, as,-in fact, so long as the citieitiOn of a new gaol' is a matter of doubt, the liberal views entertained by.the pre sent council might lead them to. disregard thea-xpenditure of a few thousand pounds, when the question of building on a more extended scale was before them, but with the annual change which takes place in that body, different sentiments might here after prevail, and an outlay of I:2500 on improvements origi nating in the recommendation of a government officer, and sanctioned by the Secretary of State; whatever the present un derstaudirg might be respecting iheni..mig,ht certainly affect the (veal iou of buil ..ing a new gaol, and tend to prejudice and ,delay a measure which is or vast importance to the borough of Liverpool. Under all the circumstances stated, and, the impressions which I entertain on the subject generally, 1. would, in conclu sion, most respectfully submit for his lordship's' consideration.— " Ist. "That all the legal difficulties arising oat of the different constructions which may be put upon the 49. h section of the 4th of George IV., which - provides fur - the elassication, and not the individual separation of prisoners, should be taken into cou sideration with a view to their removal. "2d. That the question of the final disposal of juvenile offend, ers, and the system of discipline to which they should be sub ject, should be determined upon, so that hereafter there should be no difficulty in ascertaining the number.of cells to be con structed in any new prison. " 3d: That in the meantime the authoriti e s o f Liver p ool should be apprised, that it would he extremely desir able for theta to enter upon the discussion of the prelim inar y , ste p s required for Borough• Gaol, and to act upon it i n t an amelioration of the st'siem of disci h p e lin c e on u .s or ru e c n ti t o . o n rc , e ,t d .a at t he new gaol, as an extensive alteration of the present gaol, as soon as any existing difficulties were removed. " 4th. That in the -meantime the council should also be re quested to reconsider the proposed alterations,. keeping in mind the expediency of building a new gaol, and the definite period, within which it might be possible to complete it; with a view 10 - of some more economical arrangement, in seeki ng tothe convettiences they contemplate by those temp orary trih: gain a, . ado p tion measures, r p s and at the smallest possible outlay:"' • The TOWN-CLERK next read the Opinion of the law officers of the crown, above referred to, on separate confinement. The case submitted to the attorney and solicitor-general was, " whe ther by the 2 , 1 section or the sth and 6th William IV. c. 33, (notwithstanding anything contained in the 4111 Geo; 1 V. c. 64,) the secretary of state is empowered to make regulations for the individual separation of prisoners, or to sanction such regulations if submitted. to him for approval?" To ' w hich they replied as follows :—" We are of opinion. that state has the power of san c ti on i ng regu l ations sub nutted under the 2d section of the sth and 6th.Wil liain Iv . e. 38, the hint for approval, which p rov id e ' for the ind i v i dual secretary of h and him he may lawf u ll y a l ter or a d d to any by directi ng suc h separa ti on . regulations separation There is nothing in the 4 th Geo. IV. c. 61, whi c h pre vents the paration of prisoners, sunitted to exercise of such a power b y the secretary of state." • The ToWN-cLEHK expressed his dissatisfaction with the opi nion of the taw-officers of the crown; which be thought would :have been different if a more minute case - had , been -laid, before :them. lint they were merely asked, whether the secretary of state might not adopt regulations for the separate cOntitiement :of prisoners, of which there could be no dinito, and nut whether !they clinkd coufide'prisoners in cells by themselves, there to be •ny themselves, and there to work, and there to take exercise, 'unless their health should make it abso:iitely necessary to relax their solitary confinement. If that 'had been sutrunited, he thought they wouldhave come to a differen; .. opinion. The true question was, wnether, under the act of parliament for the classi hcatimi of prisoners, and which provides sOlitary confinement as a punishment in particular cases, the secretary of state can go so far, ,notwithstanding those enactments, to alter altogether the prison discipline, and enforce solitary!ciitifinentent•in gaols, although the acts.of last sessidu fur the atneroinient of the crim inal law, had gone to limit the duration.of solitary confinement? [lad a Statement of that kind been couiiiiii , ed iii tb.i case, the' Opinion would have been more'satisfaettyl. ,But even suppos ipg that statement had been contained ip the case, and - the laW officerstof the erown hat,d been of the 'otWnion •thitv etptesscid, which only amounted to this, 'that flie'Settia‘tary oistate might approve of regulations for the individual separation of prisoners,. it gave no security that any future secretary of state would pur ' sue the same coutse, and this Was too sliabean assurance-for the council. to expend from £150,000 to /4"900 io altering the, gaol, or erecting a new one. • The MA.vott also said, that it hid beep liraed upon Captain Jebb, that no call could be made upon thi,S, borough until some thing more satisfactory was known of the (-nurse of prison dis cipline to lie pursued, and whether the imprisonment for debt bill would be passed, and till an assurance was given try govern ment, that if the corporation went to considerable expense in ouliding a prison, that expense would be available,' -Likewise, ' what arrangement would be made for the discipline of juvenile delinquents. Awl that if a new system of prison discipline were to be adopted for the benefit of the country at alarge, it was but fair that the country at large should bear a. portion of the ex pense, in consequence of the alteration of the law. Capt. Jebh met fairly the objections of the Gaol Couthi dire; but there-again Lord John Russell had skimmed them river. • . . Mr. Conncillor might be well In induce Lord John Russell to send down large bulks for the separate confinement ofjuvenile offenders. as was tire casein the Thames, and save the outlay of £l5OOOO or £200.000. The M Arm , said, that subject was tirge'd upon the attention of Ca plain Jrtili. . Mr. Councillor Curt at said, it was hardly fair to say that some act for the regulation of prison rlircipliue was indefinite, though it was, perhaps, as well to wait till it should be passed, iiefo.e th e corporatom, on the faith of it, incurred expense. But it was known, that there was a deierMination in the govern ment to introduce some general system - of prison discipline. Captain Jebh had slated, that he liiirirght 30 or 4(1,0001. wou ld be sufficient for the gaol. instead or 150 t(i '20,0,0001. The TOWN-CLEIIK said, he had beard the -expense estimated at I 10,0001. When they came to exrenses of that kind, it was frequently several thousands more. The subject was then referred back generally to the gaol com mittee and justices to report to the next,council.. SLAUGHTER HOUSES. A report from the Finance Committee was brought up and confirmed in some particulais, hut on othe rs .. referred b ac k to the committee. It related to confirming to air. Etches a perma nent annual payment of £240, by bond on tlreslti a n u l gtl iirt t i e a r t . io h tl ou , s h e i s r 75 years; r. Etches being hound to keep t in proper repair. PorND KEEPER. The appointment of litchard Butter, keeper of the North Police station, as keeper of an adjoining pound, was con firmed. There were other applicatioos, bill ar this appointment avoided the ex pence of a salary, and also had the advantage of having a keeper under the direction of tue police inspectors, it met with the approval of the council. P11.91' CWIIMISSIONERq. The TowN CLERK 111;11 staied to the counoil the necessity of appointing forty•onr members of the council as commissioners, (in lieu of the mayor and council prior to the municipal corpo rations' act,) to carry into execution an act of the lith of George • rt. y 23, the 4th, intituled "An act for the better regulation and en . - .couragement of pilots for the conducting of 'ships - aridvesS'elit into and out of the port of Liverpool." •He said, by the muni cipal act the council-had the appointment of a like number_df commissioners as formerly acted from the council—one of the . 'fortp•due to act in lieu of the mayor, another in the place of the deputy-mayor, and thirty-nine as general commissioners: Mr. Woof) observed that there were several membetS bf die council that were already commissioners under the act. The TovN-Cbmix remarked that it would be better to leave? those gentlemen out of the appointments. The act provided that there should be a certain number appointed by the coun cil and certain other persons who were to supply the vacancies iu the pilots' committee. , Mr. EARLS said he understood that government was about to. bring in a general pilot bill, and he suggested that the commiii !! sinners should direct their attention to it, to see whether some beneficial enactments could not be introduced. Mr. BIBBY inquired what were the duties of the mayor and commissioners appointed by the council. The Towrt-ctAtta replied that the mayor and members Etti pointed by the council were commissioners, like others, and one of their most important duties was to appoint the pilot corn- mittee, and in ease of vacancy by death the mapir or deputy mayor must be one of ten to form a meeting. Mr. BIBBY was happy to hear that there was likely to be a general pilot act; for the pilots in this port were daily becoming' more inefficient. They now did no thi ng wi t h o u t steamers, and were consequently without the necessary practice to make them as efficient as was desirable . The port was going into decay from the inefficiency of the pilots. They brought the port into discredit, and underwriters wanted a higher premium in con sequence. lie thought some clause might be beneficially intro4.' duced into the new act, or some representations made, that would be advantageous. • • . Mr. CURB ig thought what had fallen from "Mr.',Bibliy . was of the highest importance, and tho u ght 'smite Meaila should. be adopted for punishing offending pilots by taking pail of the earnings of their boats. The Towts-ciEag explained that this had been brought be fore the council now in consequence of the mayorbeing called upon to sign some appointment of a meeting for the election of a commissioner in the room of one deceased. But as he had not power to do• so it became necessat y to appoint forty-one commissioners from the council to carry into effect the purposes of the act. 'The council nos only empowered to elect forty-one, for -it was prOperly enacted that they should nut send in the whole sixty-four in opposition to the other commissioners; and the appointment must be made either at that or the next meet ing. and he thought the proper course would be to leave out of the fortynne the gentlemen that were already commissioners. The Ms Yott thought it would be better to refer' it to the Towmclerk-to-preparea and produce it at the next meeting, . for the council to elect the cenimissiouers, which . was'agreed to.A The MAYOR then asked Mr. Bibby if he Wished to make any motion on the subject he had mentioned. - - • But after . a 'few observationS from Mr. Bibby, in which he, - expressed his belief that there would be no remedy till the boats' of the toasters were fined for the negligeui:e or inefficiency of their men, and rutin Mr. Currie, it was thought, necessary to do so, as doubtless the commissioners would pay proper atten tion to the subject. mot,yNEux'S CHARITY. . The Mayor was then appointed a trustee under an act of the 9th of Geotge the 4th, imituled . " An act for enabling the trus tees of Mrs. Ann Molvheux's charities in Liverpool to great buildings and repair .leases, and for. better vesting the estates in them, for vesting the Exchange, and other purposes for thd benefit of the charities. The appointment was to be made an nually, but since the .mal,oraliv of Mr. Currie, we understood, the office h.. 1 been vacant. Ills worship Was appointed, not by virtue of his office of mayor, but merely as one. of the council; THE NEVI COMMISSION The MAYOR observed they were aware that her present ma jesty was about to issue anew commission of the peace, and on a former similar occasion they bad sent a list of gentlemen whom they had recommended to the Secretary of State for the Home . Department, who were appointed the magistrates for this bo rough. Unfortunately tuere were three vacancies by death, awl one gentleman, it Char)es Bullen,Aeclined ti) qualify, and desired that his name might be struck out. Mr. Henry Moss, who had previously, .neglected to quality, , in answer ro letter on the subject from the Town•clerk, had expressed his wish that his name should remain on the list. The '/OWN•CLERK read the correspondence that had passed between him and those gentlemen. Mr. Councillor BLACKRURN then rose and said, he thought ft desirable that the council should avail itself, of the privilege conceded to it, fur it was not tight to name four gentlemen to be put on the commission to fill up the vacancies. He begged., to move, that they recommend Mr. Alderman Booth as one o r , the magistrates fur Liverpool. Mr. Councillor BEND seconded the motion: The 'MA vita was about to put the question, When Mr. Councillor CuattlE said, the course pursued on a formed occasion was to send up lists a names to the mayor, from which choice was made. Mr. Councillor IlastsnEri thought they should art on that suggestion on the present occasion. it was very disagreeable for one gentleman to object to another. Mr. Councilior H. Hoimk.3 ,fraid, it would save time to go at once to the vote. The M !trim said, they might take the vote by ballot. Mr. Alderman Bain% Iv proposed; that the vote should be by ha.lot. But it was afterwards agreed, that the gentlemen should first by proposed, and then be made choice of, by each member tint the witnes on piper ut the gentlemen for whom be• voted,- . Mr. Aldernian E VANS then uninitiated Mi. James Aiken, which was seconded by Mr. Councillor WALMSLLY. Mr Councillor Hot. - T proposed, seconded by Mr. Councillor .- IL Mr. ltichard Houghton. Mr. Alderman B A RCLA Y proposed, and Mr. Councillor R.Ams- ‘ ,. i. , DEN seconded, the nomination of Mr. Richard Haywood Joni'', and Mr.Councillor HORNBY proposed, and Mr. Councillor seconded the nomination of Mr. Wiiliam. Dixon. - airy, There being five gentlemen nominattd, Mr. G. H. .LswitEswg . rose and observed, he thought they might recommend the whole live, who were all good and exesl44 lent men. Mr. Cuuncillor EA RLE seconded the motion. , . . . .... s6 AI . di con v ed id le,yrmimaor. B H E: r ts nbv m . oved that the number be four on ly ; , , . On a division the numbers were— . - , alf,3"' For Mr. Lawrence's motion that the number be.five 19' z '' For Mr. Beau's amendment l5 ~ Majority —4 Mr. Alderman SHEI I then inquired whether he was priPsr vented nominating another gentleman, and on bein.,answerfcfi:i' . proposed Mr. Councillor Joshua Wnmsley. ~ ~ c i . v i l e l'o r ii i G C :t 11. is seconded the nomination.' in ' Mt r h h re e nCgjuant council then proceeded to an election, by writing ther names of the gentlemen for whom they voted on pieces of papetv: which were collected and handed to-the Mayor. On the react- . ing of the voting paper, it appeared that-the choice sir the coun cil had fallen on Mr. Booth, Mr. Houghton, Mr. Jones, Mr. Aiken, and Mr. Dixon. The huMbers were as follows:--Far :Mr Booth, 35, Mr.. Jones 32, Mr. Houghton 31, Mt. Aiken 31,.Mr. Dixon 27, and Mr. Wahnsley (not chosen )9. The council then adjourned, at ten minutes to two• o'clock, to Wednesday, the 7th March next. . - - • . - . . . DORMANT TITLES.—The dormant Scotch title of "Earl of Oxenford" will shot tly be re vived in the person of the rightful heir, a native of this city, and noW•residing not one•hundred miles from Leinster-street. The rental:Alf the estates, now iTC: possession of the crown, is estimated at more than . £7O,(KX) per annum, besides upwards of 10t).000 of ready cash,, pending the decision (tithe Lord Chancellor. when the title is con Firmed— which there is every reason to believe thereis no doubt.-- Warder: A noble earl, who has long.passed his grand etituacterie; will, it is rumoured, .shortly be united to. a distinguished vocalist., sometime since retired from .the .stage, residing in the vicinity. of Connaught-terrace. .The venerable peer, whose countess,. from whom he had long been separated, is lately deceased, awaited but the freedom of widowhood. to offer Miss his hand.—Herald.. [The. parties alluded. to are the Earl of Essea and Miss Stephens, but we do .nut place any reliance on tbe.. tumour.] . . . . AN A V-CIENT Rochdale parish church on Tues day, a couple were - married who-were-each about sixty-years of. age: it was- the third-time of the-bride and the fourth time of the bridegroom' being 'married. Pn tcg oF LA Np AT WAK EII'ELD..-a respectable solicitor at Wakefield has 'sui4:eedetriii selling some land in Thorne, for one of his clients, to the direCtois of the Manchester and Leeds railway, at the high iate'of £5OO per ai:re. A gentleman re. - siding in Thome asks the same parties the still higher sum of £l2OO per acre; and, 'if the bai6iin be not struck, will in all. probability go ;jury 'upon the' Matter. or course there are` circumstances iri the latter case JuSiifying the seemingly exor bitant price."' 'Land adjoining has been sold at a considerably higher • GitamAti Mona ot , Cuturtc Virestphalia, hams ,are cured between Novernher .and March. The Ge• Mans pile them up in .deej tubs,, co.veringthetn with lavers of salt, salt— petre, aud_a sum!) quantityof bay leaves. In this situation they let them temain about four or five days; when they snake a strong piekje.t4 .541t.,apd water, with which they cover them completely; and, at the expiration of three weeks, they take them but of piCkle, soak them twelVe hours in clean well water;. and.hang them for three weeks longer in, smoke, made. from the juniper hushes, which in that countr,y.arealmudontiv met with,. ,—Ecenomist. . wh ltzre w i t s ,e h n si r e il x l ; v m a in ci e rr i u w m i s t t h an a ce li e t tle attention, floes not Biel+t abundant evidence of the wisdom and beneficence which preside over the universe. We have only to turn up the soil at our feet. to find in it innumerable seeds useful to inan; we have only to, lout around us upon the surface of the earth, In see it stocked! 'with a variety of animals, conducive not Only 1111• our subsistence,_ but to our convenience and recreation. The sea also, awl, the. air,. have their population a i our con - inland • and the more deeply, we investigate the laws by w h it It the whole system of tsoitnal; and vegetable life is governed, the more clearly we shall per.. ceive their complete and exclusive adaptation tt; the planeVun: which they carry on their operalions.—Quarfrily Repieze. A. BA RoN IN THE: WOR KHOCSE.—A Swedish baron, (Tharle*. Kierulf, was admitted by direction of the presiding magistrate, of the police-office, llary•le-M , tine, being found in a stale of; destitution on the 24111 of November, into the Kensington : Union. He died on the 2 , 4ifi u!t., aged 79, leaving by his £5l) to the charity (the Unino, t £ll3 to the master. £5 'to the. matron, for' mourning, rings, a t ot tons concludes_ his. will, which, he add resse d to the inasier, Mr. French May God bless.. you for the kindn?ss you have shown tothe usfortutiateChterles Baron Kierulf, brigadier general." SIR JAMIS GRA Hasi.—lt appears, that Colonel Owen res.. tires front the representation of the Pembroke boroughs for Hie express and patriotic purpose of enabling the right hon. baronet again to take his seat in the House of Commons. &letter. from an The writ havin g b een sent to Card'', usheriff resides, 1 d o n o t suppose we eat% thel.o Ite deputy says:—.‘ have the election before "Tuesday; but of this I can assure you, Sir James is as certain of his seat as trite were already returned. Opposition, I sin fully persuatled, there will be none , bLt should any one be brought forward to try his strength with the right hon: baronet, the opposition will be of too feeble a cast to give us any concern, for of the voters in this loyal borough ninety-nine out of every hundred will give their support to the conservative candidate. That it is left to our b oroug h s to seat Sir James Graham in the Hous e of Commons is an honour which we shall ever be proud of; nor can it be less flattering to Sir James to lie brought in (as assinedly he will be) by the united voices of the electors." Another letter says':--"Sir J a mes Graham will be supported by the leading men amiing the •' old whig" party, as well as by the tories; so that his re turn is certain. On Wednesday the right hon. baronet can. vassed Pembroke end Pembinke Dock, and met with the greatest success. On Thursday he visited Tenby, where he was received with, equal watinth."—Col. Owen, ii his .retiring ad, dress, says:—" In retiring from the honour of IFlTherteLttoL You in Nididinent, and in thus giving you an immediate opportuntty of electing another representative, I have sacrificed private gratification to a paramount sense.of public duty, delieving,.tis I do, that the candidate who ofters,hmself to.)our ,uotica. ,and "ho, trust, be t" object ofkriTirftn;iee,'ls 61. - thore edpa, bie of rendering you effectual service, and that his election wilt 'be, in this time of difficulty, of th e tuoit essent i al bege§t to ill country.' -r