The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-02-23 00:00:00

XTOW ON VIEW, at Mr. LAWTON'S, the RAINBOW TA ter • 11l VEBN, Williamson-square, Liverpool,- Jr o a .k.' . Days 'Only, PAINTINGS of first-rate quality, by the .01 MasteKi., for SALE by Private Contract. Artioog them is • me Picture by R. Willson; Holy Fatuity, N. Pousiu; Oil St. B. Bour don ; Anointing the Feet of Christ, by. P e Cortona ; Landscapes, by Claude, Hutenburgh, A. Van De Weide, and many others of consequence, and in fine condition. TRADESMEN'S CONSERVATIVE ASSO lATION. FIHE MONTHLY MERTING of the LIVERPOO :HADES ':. MEN'S CONSERVATIVE ASSOC'. lON will be held OU MONDAY evening next, .February 2 , 1838, at the LAKGE Room, YORK HorEt., Tarieton-street, at Seven o'clock. Members are urgently requested to attend, as the Reports of the Committees appointed at the last Meeting will be taken into eou,ideration. W. J. PEACHEY, Secretary, Committee Room, Church-street, Feb. 201 h, 1838 N.B. Members who have not renewed their Annual Tickets can do so Daily by applying to the Secretary, at the CONSEIL VATVy. TRA DESMEN . ;.; NEWS-ROOM. DIOCESAN SOCIETY. lIIHE' ANNUAL MEETING o f the CHESTER DlO it SOCIETY will be held in the C A PEL OF THE BLUE COAT HOSPITAL, OU MONDAY next, the 'th instant, at Twelve o'clock. • The Right Rev. the LORD BISHOP OF ESTER in the Chair. Also. a SERMON. will lie — Preached on behalf of the CHURCH PASTORAL AID SOCIETY, by his Lordship, on 'futonAy MORNING next, the 27th instant, iu the Church of ST. NICHOLAS, at Eleven o'clock. Emperial Vartianunt. HOUSE OF' LORDS.—MONDAY. Tne Lotto CHANCELLuIi, upon the motion for the third read ing of the banking copartnership 1011, proposed some verbal amendments, upon which a short discussion ensued, in which the Lord Chancellor, Lords Ellebborough, Abinger, and Redes dale, took a part. The amendments were then agreed to, and the bill passed. The bill was then taken down by the Masters in Chancery to the House of Commons.—A message from the Commons brought back the bill, after a considerable interval, with the amendments agreed to.—Adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—MONDAY. PARMA NIENTARY ELECTORS BILL. Lord J. RUSSELL moved the order of the day for the third reading of this bill. Mr. MACLEAN rose to oppose the third reading of the bill, because he considered it but the commencement of a series of changes which would be constantly urged forward, until all the vital principles of the constitution would be gone. Sir R. PEEL wished to leave a record of the grounds upon Which he opposed this bill; and the main one was, that be con sidered it was only one step in the alteration of the principles of that measure which they were induced to consider as the settlement of a great question. (Hear, hear.) The noble lord (J. Russell) bad referred to the zeal with which he (Sir R. R. Peel) hail throughout all its stages opposed the reform bill. He vindicate) that conduct. (Hear, and cheers.) There could be nothing more consistent than his giving every opposition to that bill during its progress; hut when it did pass—when it w as accepted as a great nation a l settlement—was he to propose or sanction reform on reforms ? He would resist every thing which went to break down the provisions of that measure, be cause greater evils sprung from agitating those changes than ever good could flow Plum them. (Hear, hear.) The reform bill established three tests for the quality of voters now under consideration—first, that they should be residents in the tette orients they occupied for twelve months; secondly, that their teuenuents should be of the value of ten pounds per annum; and, thirdly, that they should have paid on the Ist of July the rates and taxes due oil toe 6th of April. Those three tests were of course designed as proof of pecuniary competency. The qualification was by the present bill still the same—the value of £l.O was still the saute—but the alteration introduced by the noble lord was ; that the voters should have a longer period for the payment of their rates. By the proposal of the noble lord, six months additional were given. The house tax had been re pealed, the window tax reduced to half its amount, and the pour rates brought down from £8,739,831 to £4,800,000; and there fore the pecuniary qualifications in 1832, by the operation of these acts. had been greatly reduced. Ou the ground that the present bill was not an improvement, but, on the main ground, that he would not appear to acquiesce in an unnecessary and uncalled for change in the elective franchise, and one which would lead to greater changes in the representative system, he (Sir R. Peel) opposed the third reading of the bill. Lord J. RussELL said, with regard to the present bill being an alteration of the reform bill, bad they not on more than one occasion altered that measure? Had nut hon. gentlemen op posite, who now were so clamorous against any alteration thew i;elves, urged many changes? (Cheers front the ministerial benches.) The days of election had been altered in one in stance, the polling places in another, and other changes had been proposed and carried. The hon. gentlemen opposite had uo objection to the atneudinent of that provision of the reform bill which fixed the charge of Is. upon freemen on their admis sion —(hear, hear)—yet they had every objectiou•to- the alter ation of the provision which affected the £lO occupation. The voter was the first place, to entitle him to a place in the re gistry, to pay his taxes up to the preceding 5111 of April, but in after years only to the I lth of October previous. The trouble and vexation to the voter would thus be rendered as light as possible. Every one knew that, although electors might pay great attention to the preservation of their franchise in the first instance, yet that, subsequently, the same individuals might not be able to pay their taxes up so promptly. However, the previous entries would show that they were the original voters; and they thieht be tolerably sure that they were sulvent, and living in £lO houses, and (hen they need tint look so strictly to points of time iu the payment of taxes. Mr Got:LBW:I(Na said if the noble loid persevered in his alter ations and tamperings with the substantial protections provided in the reform bill, he might still, indeed, h ave w h a t h e ca ll e d £lO voters, but h e w ou ld lose the means of testing and ascer taining them to be such by the payment o? the king's taxes and poor rates. liit' l kiL( a la ugh )--those underhand whig measures . --(laughter)—with which the noble lord had rendered them familiar. He begged to be understood, that in voting against the bill he did not wish to oppose the repeal of the stamp duty now paid by freemen, but he made it a point to oppose every thing brought in by the present, corrupt government. (Cheers and laughter.) Sir W. FOLLETT said, that, he for one, would vote against the bill, not because it repealed the freemen's stamp duty, but be cause it introduced the subject of that repeal in such an under hand manner as if it. were a boon or a bribe to permit the alter ation of the franchise established by the reform bill. Th e house then divided, and there appeareffAyes, 189 ; noes, 172; majority for the third reading, 17. The house then went into committee on the Irish poor law bill, and proceeded as far as the 56th clause ; when the chair man reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again. The house adjourned at half-past twelve o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS.—TUESDAY. Lord BROUGEMM brought forward his promised motions re garding negro slavery; first, moving an address; secondly, proposing resolutions regarding the slave trade; and, thirdly, the extinction of slavery, or the apprenticeship system. His lordship, it will be seen spoke at great length, and with con siderable force, in support of those several propositions. Lord GLENELG, also, at considerable length answered Lord Brougham in detail, -- shorving the different treaties that had been entered into between South American as well as European powers, since 1821, when their lordships, in an athiresS, had to complain of the four great uowers of Europe—Spain, Holland, France and Portugal —powers that were not now liable to simi lar attacks. He oirposed Lord Brougham's address because it would nut lead to arty practical result ; and proposed another address in its stead, expressive of the very deep and anxious feeling they still had on this subject, stating that they viewed the additional treaty with Spain as well calculated to promote the extinction of the Slave traffic; but regretting that the Por tuguese flag was still used to cover this traffic, and expresssing an opinion that that nation ought to make efforts to co-operate with England for the extinction of Slavery. He opposed the resolution fur abolishing head money, and for licensing letters of Marque; and also the resolutions regarding the speedy abo lition of the apprenticeships; as equally prejudicial to the ne groes and unjust to the owners. The Duke of WELIANGToN supported the course proposed by Lord Glenelg. There was afterwards mucl% discussion, which ended in the adoption of Lord'Glenelg's amendment.—Adjourned. [IOUSE OF COMMONS.-TUESDAY Three ballots were fixed, but only one was taken—that for Maryleboue. On those for Honiton and Lanarkshire being called on, the patties did not auswet couaequently the ballots to those cases did not take place. Sir W. MocEswouTti stated the terms of the address which he should move on' the 6th of March, expressive of the want of confidence" in Lord Genel,, as colonial secreta r y ; a ddi ng, that he should move a call of theiouse for that day. A petition was presented fur the discontinuance of the in 'come to the King of Hanover. Mr. Ft - E.I.DEN afterwards, in a long speech, moved for leave to bring in a bill to repeal the poor law amendment act—a pro position that led to the whole night's dkeossion. Mr. HA It VEI moved the " previous question"—namely, that the other bu s i ness b e . proceeded with. Sir H. Pt hr , opposed the motion. Lord J. RussELT: expressed a hope that the house would not Sanction the mode of evading the motion proposed by Mr. Hantev, but that it would directly meet the question. The house eventually divided. The numbers, on the amend mem, were—ayes, 13; noes, 321. On the original [notion they were, for Mr. Fielden, 17; against, 3U9—tuajority, 291 Adjourned. -- LOUSE OF COMMONS.—WEDNESDAY. MARYIEBONE EIAiCTION—NEW WRIT. Lord EasTxon; as chairman of the Mar) lebone Election Committee, reported to the house that the committee bad de cided that the sitting member, Sir Samuel 'Whalley, did not possess a sufficient property qualification to entitle him to sit in parliament. The committee had therelote resolved that the election was null and void. His lordship then moved that the speaker do issue his wait for the election or a burgess for the borough of Marylebone, iu ) the room or Sir S. Whalley.—Ordered. A number of petitions on various subjects were presented. Capt. PECHRLL gave notice that, on Thuisilay. the Ist of March, he should move for a return of the• number of slave vessels captured by her Majesty's cruisers since the Ist of Jan., 1836, distinguishing the nation th which such vessels belonged; and whether. at the time of the capture, such vessels contained any slaves or not. The second readinsr of the municipal boundaries' bill as postponed until the 14th of:March. The committees of supply and ways and means was postponed until Friday. The second reading of the waste lands (Ireland) bill and tenant for life (Ireland) bill were postponed. At a quarter before fire o'clock an hon. member movedthat . the house be counted, when, only 29 members being present, the Speaker declared t lie house adjourned until to-morrow. Four ladies resident in Wakefield have subscribed no less than £IIS towards the fund fur erecting a new church in that town. A most beautiful and rare phenomenon was observed by some persons at Brigham, near Cockermoulh. on Monday last, at about 15 minutes to eight A. st. A large fiery ball or meteor was seen, nearly due north, end apparently about a mile high, to fl )city in au eastern course, when it be earn, a long tail of %hite smoke was sees. The shape of a gl o b e , w as :tiaa r the size "r rising, but of a mu c h w hi ter and ria9re •.2 .. 013 • iwo o whole appearanc e l as t e d per h aps I l itee 1 grk,, instead of a f ew m i nu t es b e f ore t h e tri94 124 , 11, lug of this transitory ohject would have riftfria * .• .I.lvers of nature, in her most sublime ;(*VlO7a4 herald.' • , fly wit • veloeit: rae 14a• d d a I me. I,, d witt l"bey sl ( till)t-i-. Attii . • . n., .111 r s ' "lit Y - I."Lt I " *. f t wi Pent i . free it la: 14 I),lfie 11,1 - : 14) sv, x., ..„::.. t,,,,,,,,,. A Ar 411, . I . \ s A j- :S - - ,..__ _ *. ........_,=, `'% \'N TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. On Wednesday last, the adjourned monthly meeting of the Tuwu CutmLit was held. MEMORIALS. The MAYO R pr esen t e d a number of pet i tions from different individuals praying for situations in the Police force, &c. They were severally referred to the Finance, and Watch committee's. A letter was then read from Dr Buck expressing his acknow ledgements for his appointment to the chaplaincy of the Borough Gaol. A petition was read from Dr. John Quale, complaining that the freedom of the borough was withheld from him, though he had served an apprenticeship of seven years. The TOWN-ct.Lux explained, that he had given his Opinion against Dr. Quale's receiving his certificate of freedom, on the ground that he had n o t serve d seven years under the indenture of apprenticeship, but had served two years and a belt prior to • the indenture, during which time he was nut serving in the re lation of master and apprentice. The Mx You said, it was a hard case no doubt, he bad served his master seven years, but not under the indenture. He, there fore, supposed the council would confirm the opinion of the Town-clerk. Mr. Councillor DuNcx N said, he knew the late council were very tiberal iu their cinistruction of such cases, and he thought that, probably this might be a case in which a committee of time might examine the case. The MAYOR said, the fact was, the late council in their power to be liberal ; but the present council was so confined, that they had it not in the power to be liberal. Mr. Councillor BOLTON said, the case was quite clear; it could not be dealt otherwise with than it had been, and he moved that the petition do lie on the table. The TOWN-CLERK said, the former council had the power to give the freedom; and in cases of hardship, in consequence of some slip, or the death of a master, they exercised their power to give the freedom. By the municipal act it was enacted "that front, and after this act, no person shall obtain freedom by gift or purchase," but from inquiry he had ascertained that this would be a case in which the application would not have been granted by the old council. The subject then dropped. The Deputy TOWN-CLERK then read a memorial from Lieut. Low, emigration agent to the effect, than when he was ap pointed to the Office he held, iu May, 1833, it was with the un derstanding that arrangements had been made with the corpo ration to supply him with an office and lodgings at thecorpora- Lion expense. This was also stated by Lord Stanley in his place in the House of Commons, and though the memorialist had uo means of ascertaining on what authority Lord Stanley had made that statement, he presumed that the noble lord had not made it without the best authority. The memorialist fur ther stated, that that arrangement was made during the mayor alty of Mr. Borstal!, who was ready to confirm his statement respecting it; and he hoped that the council would take the subject into consideiatien, that the arrangement might be pro perly adhered to. The memorial was referred to the Finance committee. POSTOFFICE REFORM. The Deputy TOWN -CLERK then proceeded to read the follow ing memorial, brought up by Mr. Barclay, agreed on Ly the committee on Postoflice reknit, to be presented by the council to the government:— " The memorial of the Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of Liverpoo. in Council assembled, " Sheweth— " That the memorialists cannot doubt that your honourable house will give the subject of Postutlice reform your most seri ous consideration, in consequence of the numerous petitions that have been presented in its favour by 80 many important public bodies, supported as they have been in both houses of parliament by those members whose opinions are entitled to every deference. At the same time, your memorialists conceive that they should not discharge the duty which they owe to the vast commercial community they represent, if they did not urge, in the strongest terms, the expediency of a great and sensible reduction in the present rates of the postage of letters; their silence might otherwise be consti tied into indifference with regard to a measure which they deem to be of the first import ance, not only to those who arc engaged in commerce, but to the country at lar , re. The arguments in a pamphlet, recently published by Mr. itutvland Hill, in favour of the plan for Post office reform which it advocates, appear to your memorialists conclusive and incontrovertible, and they cannot figure to them selves any reasonable objection that can be urged against the plans except the posSibility of a decrease in the revenue by its adoption. Your memorialists concur in the prevailing sentt meta, that any tax which impedes the circulation of knowledge through the country is highly impolitic, and they conceive that nothing contributes more to do this than the present excessive rates of postage. " Your memorialists respectfully submit that in their opinion no material reduction would occur in the revenue from the adoption of a plan founded upon the suggestions of Mr. Hill, provided that no partial experiments be made in it, as its suc cess seems wholly to depend upon its being fully and fairly tried. " Entertaining these opinions, your memorialists earnestly hope that your honourable house will take immediate steps for earning l'ustoffice reform into complete effect. They beg further to add, that if any defalcation in the revenue should arise, contrary to their expectaticns, by doing so, they are im pressed with the belief that the country would wil , ingly make up the deficiency iu some other way, rather titan foreg o the in calculable advantages which your memorialists conceive are likely to be derived from the proposed alterations. And sotir memorialists will ever pray." • The MA YOR inquired if the - council agreed in the petition, and if any member would move that it be presented. Mr. Councillor BARCLAY would move that the memorial be presented to both houses of parliament. Mr. Councillor HENRY Hoi.mEs seconded the motion. Mr. COUOCiIIOr BOLToN thought the point about the diminu tion of the revenue too strongly put. He feared that they had committed themselves in it, as it was not borne out by fact. The MAYOR inquired if Mr. Bolton wished to move an amendment ? Mr. Councillor BOLTON, after having had the part he objected to read over, said it appeared to lino too strong. Mr. Councillor 1.1. LAWRENCE said, agieeing with a good deal that Mr. Bolton had said, might not an arratigitis9lll made for materially benefittiu t 6 vi 7-- s a far from beini tSjillijiYeeh l "tif 1116 - - utility of Mr. Hill's plan. a Ile thought it would materially injure the revenue. The MA Yoe would suggest for the convenience of the coun cil, that if the memorial were not corrected in that point in the council, the simpler way would be to refer it back to the com mittee. The Deputy TO WN CLERK read the part objected to: "your memorialists submit that no material reduction would occur if Mr. Rowland Hill's plan were adopted." Mr. Councillor BOLTON said he did not concur in that. He begged that that part be referred back to the committee to pre pare a memorial less strongly expressed with regard to Mr. • Hill's plan. Mr. Councillor EARLE.—Don't you think it could be done now the question is under discussion. Mr. Alderman EVANS said he was on the committee, and had expressed his dissent altogether to the tune of dictation and peremptory announcement of the exclusive excellence of 111 r. Hill's plan; and unquestionably if they looked at the wording of the memorial, it excluded the remainder of the instructions that were sent to the committee frotn 'the council. They had "or some oth er pl an ." 'Theyl b e a f t d o e u x t r l e t s o , g e e d t h i e n r tthheeq must I s i t ica a t h iu s :lute manner that nothing but Mr. Rowland Hill's plan would succeed. Mr. Councillor No no; based on his plan." The MA YOR.—WWIId M r. Bolton prepare his alteration. Mr. Councillor WALLACE CURR lE.—Pei haps the council will authorise Mr. Bolton to retire into an adjoining Loom to prepare the retition ? (A cry of the committee.) Mr Alderman SuLit. did not see how the committee could retire to make any alteration in the memorial till the council had decided that the memorial required alteration. As a mem ber of the committee he did not think it was treating theta fairly that because one or two gentlemen thought proper to object to the particular wording of a memorial, drawn up with considerable care and after a good deal of discussion, they should be authorised to alter it. He was much surprised at the exception of Mr. Evans, because that report came to the coun cil as the unanimous recommendation of the committee; lie said ucanimous, because it was agreed to by every member pre sent. Mr. Alderman Evsiss begged to say that he was not present. Mr. Alderman SOEIL continued.—He believed it was an understood rule in committees, that could not be departed from without much inconvenience, that the member of a committee should not oppose the derision of that committee unless he had divided it ou the point to which he objected, leading the com mittee to understand that there would he opposition from one of their own body. It was for the council to decide on any alte ration it might think prope r to adopt. The committee could do nothing more unless it bad a positive instruction to alter any particular words. The committee could do no better than the petition it had agreed to, Mr. Alderman EVANS hoped for the indulgence of the council for one moment, to make it evident that be did nut deserve the lecture which he had received on the score of plopiietv from his friend Mr. Shell. Before the committee met he spoke to Mr. Ranisdeu on the subjeel, and ment i one d hi s v i ews; he afterwards met him at the top of Hanover -street, and again ob jected to the decision of the committee. He was not absent from the committee from neglect, but because another com mittee was sitting at the same hour, ac i d when he went to the committee he found it had just adjourned. He then read the report over and expressed•his dissent in the most decided man ner after hearing N, r. Earle's explanation. Mr. Councillor EARLE Said •Al E. Evans had objected to the petition. Their instruction s were to discuss Mr. Hill's plan, and Mr. Evans, as he uuderstuud him, was always opposed to it. _ _ _ MAY " said this ' v " a v erY irregular discussion. What ever Mr. Evans had said out of committee it did not at ail go against the decision of the committee. What Mr. Steil had said was perfectly current ( Hear, hear.) Therefore Mr. Al " t"king objection against th e Al derman Evans was out of order i understood standing order. Would the council refer the peti tion back to the committee, or decide on it? It was very im portant that they should collie to an unanimous vote on this subject. Mr. Councillor BOLTON then, with the consent of his se conder. withdrew his former amendineut, he said he thought the general tone of the memorial stronger than was warranted by the instructions. The part which he „ particular l y (injected to was that which stated that no material reductio n of the retenue would eusue from the adoption of Mr. R ow l and Hill's plan. He would propose as an amendment, th at "your m emor i a li sts are of opinion that a plan might be adopted, which, without any material reduction of the revenue, would of great fa cilities to the public in the circulation of letters." Mr. Councillor Rotrosolitsi begged la sac that he did not agree in opinion with Mr. Bolton with respect to the instruc re tious given to the committee. The instructi ons desired'a re ence to Mr. Rowlaud Hill's plan or some si mi l ar plan ; there fore he did not think, in accordance with these Instructious, that the committee could have dime otherwise than it had done. Besides the question was very fully argued whether Mr. Row. land plan should be adopted or not ; and he thought that if they were to speak on the subject :or many councils to come, they could not bring such strong a ;_uments for the adoption of the plan as Mr Roxfand :Jill had done. Mr. Councillitr WA LIME Cunt:lE said there had been a distinct objection in the youneil to tying the council up t o Ai r. Rowland II ill's plan, or if some other sinadar plan were intro duced. And if the coned', mu reading the Weworial found that qualitieation was not included. there was no di srespect in begging that these words "or some similar plan" were intro (bleed Imo the memorial now,. sh„uhi have Ito objection to hum- Mr. Councillor It AmsnEN duce those words. After some further discussion the council went to the vote on Mr. Bolton's amendment; when there appeared 28 fir the amendment, yad 11 againSt BLschTheN objected to the closing sentence of the me morial, that "thelliegged further to add that if any defalcation of the revenu e sb'ould arise, contrary to their expectatiorts, by doing so, they were impressed with the belief that the couutr.v would willingly make up the deficiency in some other way rather than forego the inestimabl - e advantages of the.proposed alterations." Now be thought they were not at all authorised to say that the country would, under any circumstances sub mit - to another tax. (Hear.) He would therefore propose as an N • Na 11 I 1 4 : L tv Pui `LARD , alteration, that "they are impressed with the belief that the government might deviie some means of providing for the de ticiency.'' Mr. Councillor BLACEncRN shortly after said, on second thoughts, he would move that the concluding clause be altoge ther tted. He thought that would be sufficient without any alteration. Mr. Alderman SHIEL seconded the motion. Mr. Councillor RamsnEN believed there could be no objec tion at all to this, for it was a clause on which there was a consi derable difference or npinimi. The motion was then agreed to. The MA Von said they now came to the vote whether the me morial as now altered be adopted? Mr. Councillor H. LAWRENCE wi.hed to express his dissent to many of the arrangements of Mr. Rowland Hill's plan; but he did not wish to divide the council on the subject. The Mayon presumed then, with the objection taken by Mr. Lawrence, the Memorial was u nan i mous l y passe d . A gree d to. It %vas then agreed to that the petition should he presented to the Commons by the memoers for the borough and that in the Lords it should be presented by Lord Brougham, and that Lord Ashburtuu be respectfully- requested to support it. FEES OF THE BoROCGH COURT, &C. The TOWN-eLEitx said, under the municipal act the council of the borough were required to settle the table of fees for the clerk of the peace, the registrar of the borough court, and the clerks of the magistrates. A letter had been received front Mr. Phillips, on behalf of Lord John Russell, stating that his lord ship had sent tables of fees to the several borough councils ; that he had received tables of fees front the officers of other boroughs. lie now sent a set Of tables, to the council of Li verpool, with a request that they would take them into consi deration, and submit to his lordship the propriety (Stile charges, either as shown by his own tables, or by the tables of the offi• cers acting together fur the different boroughs. He suggested that the tables be referred to the borough court committee. It was then agreed to that the report should he referred to the borough court's committee. REPORT OP THE COURT of JUSTICES AND GAOL COMMITTEE. The TOWN-CLERK read this report, in-which some alterations were recommended in the prison discipline. Amongst other things they recommended a restriction of visitors to vagrants in gaol. By the present rules, vagrants are permitted a visitor at the end of one calendar month, but the committee recommend that no visitor be allowed until after the expiration of three months; vagrants f ur a le s s period than three months would thereby. be prevented having any visitor whatever, but after the first three months one visitor would be allowed monthly. In the rule respecting visitors to debtors, an alteration was proposed which would have the effect of preventing the admission of visitors to debtors on Sundays altogether, unless by order of justices in particular cases. The justices and the committee also in their report recommended that the system of education be immediately commenced at the Prison ; and in order t o e ff e ct this, they stated it w ou ld b e necessary to fit up a school-room, work-room, and dormitory, for the juvenile offenders. The sur veyor hail furnished a plan of those alterations, and estimates the expense of which would be £ll5. The plan and estimate the justices and committee recommended to the council for adoption. They further reported, that under their direction, a correspondence had taken place with the Secretary of State on the subject of diminishing the expense of the removal of trans port convicts, and referred the council to extracts from a letter add..essed by the Clerk of the Peace to the Secretary of State, on the 23d December last, and from the reply of Mr. Phillipps thereto, dated therlOth iustant, which explained the hearing of the question. The extracts read were nearly as follows :—First, the Clerk of the Peace to the Secretary of State. " Your lord ship is aware from the claim made on 'the government by the corporation for the expenses of the removal of convicts to the port of einbarkatien how heavy that expenditure is; and. it is with a view to diminish this charge upon the country that I am directed now to apply to your l o rdship. " The number of trausport convicts removed irom this bo rough during the year, from the Ist July, 15.36, to he 30th June, 1837. is 155, and the cost of and attending the removal 1:621175. lam informed that the number of transpott convicts removed from the count-of Lancaster (including this borough) averages 500 a year." " I nut so instructed, that vessels are from time to time char tered from this port for the use of goveroment, in the convey ance or transports from Dublin, and ,other ports in Ireland; and that such vessels leave this port in a complete state, and fit for the immediate reception of convicts." state these circumst ances w i th a view of b r i ng i ng b efore your lordship n,r consideratioh, whether au arrangement is prac ticable or advisable, making the port of Liverpool a place of embarkation fur the county of Lancaster; and for such of the adjoining counties as it may be deemed expedient to include in the arrangements; or in connexion with the present establish ment, in the ports of Ireland. The scheme, if practicable, ap pears to hold out the prospect of a great saving in expenditure." "S. PHILLIPS, KSQ., To THE MA Yost. " Dated Whitehall, 14tli Feb. 18.38. " With reference to the removal of prisoners under sentence of transportation, I am to inform vou, that Lord John Russell thinks the making Liverpool the place of embarkation for pri soners from the county of Lancaster would be open to many objections, as well on the ground of inconvenience as of in creased expense; and he cannot therefore recommend such a measure. In older to relieve those horciughs in which a rate in the, nature of a county rate is raised, the i-overnment has agreed to reimburse them the amount expended in the convey "ance of prisoners under sentence of transportation; and Lord John Russell concludes, that the borough of Liverpool enjeys th e benefit of this arrang , ..nient. The government has a plan under consideration for taking into their own hands the convey ance of prisoners under sentence of transportation, by which all boroughs will be relieved from any charge for this service." The report further stated, that the justices and tbe cummittee had taken into consideration a communication of the 15th inst. from the secretary of state to the mayor, on the important sub ject of the erection of a new prison, and of the extensive altera tion, additions, and improvements &ready approved of by the council with respect to the present buildings, together with the report of Captain debt) and of the law officers of the crown on separate confinement; and that they had appointed a suh-corn. mittee to draw up a reply to that- communication and report, and would again bring the subject before the council at their meeting on the 7th of March. They-then went on to report, that an application haii been made from John Martindale, in gTilillibe-iA-Chg fines, and they reconitnended that some al lowance should be made, on security being given by the inspec• for for the due discharge of his duty in the collection. The :MAYOR then observed, perhaps the council would adopt the report as tar as would be mentioned by the Town-clerk, omitting certain parts. The TOWN-CLERK said the subject which was already fully before the council, was the alteration in the rules of the gaol. It had been recommended by the justices and approved by the secretary of state. The M A von, as a matter of form, would put the question, whether the rules be approved and adopted, when Mr. BLACKBURN inquired whether it was necessary, in point of fact, that the council should give its sanctiou to thew. The TowN-cesuk replied in the affirmative. Mr. BLACKBURN would then ask, was it lair that the council should be called upon to give its sanction to such rules on merely bearing them once read over. They could out give an enlight ened and intelligent sanction to them without having other means of becoming familiar with them. He must admit, that he could not conscientiously give a sanction to them till he knew what they were. Their giving a sanction to the rules of course implied, that they recommended them. H e s h ou ld , t h ere f ore, propo se , th a t the confirmation be postponed to the next meet ing till they had considered them. Ile felt the importance of this rule on former occasions, but haii been unwilling to appear fastidious or factious; but he thought it desirable, that they should take some means of obtaining access to the reports of the magistrates, which were very important. By the proposed rtkle, vagrants were not permitted a visitor until after the expiration of three mouths, and he inquired whether that was an absolute rule, or whether the justices had power to dispense with it. That rule snowed the necessity that they should have a know ledge of what they sanctioned. He owned his own inability to give au intelligent sanction to such rules without knowing what they were. The TOWN -CLERK replied, that the justices had the power in all cases of granting orders for the admission of visitors. Mr. BLACKBURN was desirous that the council should give an enlightened and intelligent sanction, and he thought no in convenience could result from the delay of the confirmation until that day fortnight. The MAYOR said, perhaps M r . Bl ac kb urn would perm i t t h e Town-clerk. The TowN-cemix said that means had been taken to put the members in possession of printed copies of the gaol regulations, after which they had agreed to a report which he read, and which related to the Sunday visiting of debtors, and the ill effects of any interruption of divine service, and also the restriction of visitors to vagrants and criminals. In consequence of those reports, made su long since as the 22nd Nov., those rules had been adopted and sent for the a pp rova l of the Secretary of State, which had ended in his lordship fully approving of the altera tions in these rules. Every care had been taken to have the council fully instructed respecting them. Mr. BLACKBURN again inquired whether in all cases whatever the visiting justices hail power to dispense with the rules relating to the visiting of prisoners. The Mayon replied--certainly. All the members of the council had power to refer to the reports of the justices; it would be attended with some inconvenience if the rules were not passed. Mr. BLACKBURN then withdrew his amendureut, and the rules received the confirmation of the council. The Towai-cLeek said the next subject was the proposed im provements in the school-room, workroom, and durriiitoiy, the expense of a hich will be about £145: • The Ma-vou put this question; which also received the sanc tion of the council. The TOWN ci.kne said the next subject was the removal of transport convicts. The council was, now in possessiou of the letter from himself to the Secretary of State, and the reply thereto. Mr. Councillor J. N. WOOD said it appeared from what the Town-clerk had said, that unless they had a borough rate they could not be relieved from the expense of the transmission of convicts. The TowN-crEnK said he had stated that was an objection, but it must give way. Mr. Councillor J. N. WOOD.—Will the council be relieved lions the expense? The TOW N 4 t.ER K thought the objection that they ought first to have a borough rate was out tenable; and that they should get ever it. " Mr. Councillor J. N. Woon.—Lord John Russell has nut expressly stated his objections. The TOWN-CLERIC.-NO; his objections are general. Mr. Ci7altlE thought the answer of Lord John Rusiell was not one that they could sit down dissatisfied with. It was due to them to be relieved from the payment of this transport loo ney ; even though they had no borough rate it ought not to Nu on limn. Anil, although Lord John Russell might say that it was inexpedient, fir reason s which he did not take the troubl e to state. they had a right to expect that ships should be fitted up het e for tie conveyance of convicts to Cork, in order that their expenses might he as light as possible. The sum for con veyine: convicts to Woolwich, which they were at the expense of, was as large as from 1:-Irio £4-101. per head: and he hoped a proper representation would be made, so that some alteration should he effected, and that the Town-clerk would nut intermit in his exertion to have it remedied. Mr. EA i.e said Lord John Russell pretended to be a reform ing minister. but that did not give then► a favourable ()pillion of him as a reformer, and be hoped the county magistrates would take up the subject, for it would be as great a relief to the county es the borough, and prevent the continua►ice of the Pre sent s% stem of sending S(R) couviets into the count, y merely to .eive the London shipowners—Mr. Young and others - . M Eouneillor Bruar said it was more economical to send convict/ ships front here than from Ireland; . and if there was a tender to be made, he certainly would tender for £2 a head less for any ship of hiQ, or env merchant's to stall from Liverpool rather tbarn from Cork. The same ts mil which 'carried time ves sel out to Cork would carry it out to ;ea ; and for want of that wind afterwards the vessel might be/ detained • some time at Cork. The Tows:•cr.Euk said the k.rrns used by Lord John Russell were, t hat. be thought that Dia ing Liverpool a p!ace of embark ation fur transpurts would be inconvenient as well as expeusi e. Mr.Councillor BIBBY.—Tben he is in error. Mr. Councillor HENRY LAWRENCE said he was instructed that English convicts were not sent.to Cork; that only Irish ~~~-~-~- convicts were sent there. But they ought to secure the shipping from this port as much as possible. The MA you said he might observe that the answer of Lord John if ussell was very unsatisfactoi y to the bench of magis trates, and if the council was also of that opinion they would perhaps refer it back to the bench of magistrates, and CllllllllU' nicate that opinion to them, for the Town-clerk to confer with Lord John Russell respecting it. Mr. Alderman SHELL said the present system appeared the most objectionable that could be imagined. Convicts were now sent from Liverpool to Woolwich, or Portsmouth, or Plymouth, and then round the island of Great Britain, fur no other reason that he could discern but to increase expense. • The convicts might easily be sent to Dublin. The present was the most ex pensive and inconvenient mode that could be adopted, and he could not understand any principle that could produce it except to :Assist some "jobbing" concern in or near London. For he could not tiud men acting so absurdly or so contrary to common sense without some motive. Mr. Alderman Ben n moved that the subject be referred back to the justices and the gaol committee, the reply of Lord John Bussed being unsatisfactory. Mr. Councillor WOOD seconded the motion, which was unani mously adopted. The TowN-cLEttic then said, passing over the next subject, he would call the attention of the council to the recommendation to allow Martindale some remuneration for his additional ser vices in the collection of tines. A memorial was read from Martindale, and a recommendation from Mr. Hall, stating that he had collected the dues with notch diligence and activity. The application was refer red to the finance committee. ERECTION OF A NEW BOROUGH Gaot.. The TOWN-GI-6RK than read a letter received from Mr. Phil lipps, on behalf of Lord John Russell, dated the 15th instant, in which it was stated that his lordship bad received a very full and satisfactory report, upon the state of the Borough God, Rion Captain Jetib, who was directed by his lordship to inspect the gaol, and communicate with the mayor and the visiting justices. Also that his lordship had directed that a copy of Captain Jebb's report he •transmitted to time mayor, with the request that he would submit it to the town-council for their consideration; par tecularly requesting their attention to that part of the report, in which Captain Jebb stwes his op inion that all the interests concerned would, in th e en d , he best studied, were the local authorities to regard the occupation of the present gaol, and th e contract with th e county f or t h e custody of sonic of their prison ers, as temporary measures, and set iously to entertain the question of building a new prison, on an improved principle, as soon as any existing ilifficulties may be removed." The letter further stated, that Cant. Jehb had informed Lord John Rus sell that the council were adVised that some donuts might be entertained as to the legality of the individual separation of pi i sutlers ; and that his lordship thought it might be satisfactory to the council to receive a - cody ' , Pan opinion of the law officers of the crown upon a case submitted to them, as to the power 'date secretary of state to sanction regulations submitted to him for applovai, which provided for the individual separation or prison ers. The letter requested the mayor - to bring before the council the 'subject vitich now most immediately presses, namely, the temporary alterations, which are necessary, previously to the building of a new gaol. The TowN-ciAttic than read Captain Jebb's report relative to the Borough Gaol, which he had addressed from Birmingham to Mr. Phillipps, on the Gth of January last, as follows : " Sir,-1 have the honour to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the Nth ultimo, enclosing copies of a correspondence which has taken place relative to the Borough Gaol at Liver pool, and conveying the orders of Lord John Russell that) should visit the gaol, and report upon it with reference to the several statements contained in the letters which have passed upon the subject. - "In reply I beg to state that, in compliance with his lord ship's wish, I obtained an interview with Captain Williams, the inspector of prisons for the northern district, previous to leaving London,. who personally gave me all the information in his power; and I than took the earliest opportunity, which toy duties in connexion with other boroughs permitted, of proceed ing to Liverpool. I there wailed upon the mayor, who was good enough to accompany me to the gaol, and to afford we every facility for inspecting it, and at his request 1 subsequently attended a special meeting of the .visiting justices, at which a copy o f t 6 e l as i general report of the adjourned Quarter Sessions, (held by the justices on the sth December, 1837,) relative to the prison, was placid in toy hands, as a document essential to the consideration of the question. I afterwards inspected the New Bailey Prison at Kilkdale, to which a proportion of the male pristmers from the borough are committed under a contract with the county. " I now beg to submit for his lordship's consideration the re sult of my inquiries. The following appear to me to be the main puhrts embraced by the eorrespondenCe, viz.:— lst. Whether the construction and present state of the Borough Gaol is such as will admit of au efficient system o prison discipline being enforced —or whether it is capable of being altered with a view to improvement in discipline, or so enlarged as to accommodate all the prisoners committed within the jurisdiction of the borough; involving also the question of building a new gaol? "2d. Whether any or what difficulties stand in the way of, or are likely to impede, the erectiou of a new gaol, should the local authorities be disposed to build one ; and whether any misapprehension exists as to the nature or extent of those diffi culties, as effecting the period within which a new gaol might Le ready for the reception of prisoners? "31. Whether the alterations ;and additions proposed to the Borough Gaol, are absol u t e l y requ i red for present purposes, and whether the outlay of a large sum of money upon them might not affect the question of building a new prison, which is stated to be extremely desirable Report. With reference to the first question, as to whether the construction of the Borough Gaol will admit of au efficient system of prison dicipline being carried into affect, or whether it can be altered. or whether it would be more.expedient to build a new one ; I beg to state that the present building having originally been laid out, with a view to the application of a sys tem based on a classification of prisoners, the general arrange ment and disposition of the several parts of it, and .of the inte rim, are such as will only admit of certain modifications of that system being carried into effect. "The discipline now in force is an approximation to the silent system, and I have much pleasure in stating, in confir mation of the report made to his lordship its November last, as extend for enforcing it, ap peared to be carried on in a very satisfactory 'manner, ...id that the interest taken by the visiting justices in the affairiof the prison, baCked as it has been, by the vigilance and activity of a very able governor, has produced those tavourable results on the general management of it which might be expected. " The means, however, do nut exist for carrying out this sys tem with proper effect. and, to a considerable extent, the evils which confessedly arise from the association of prisoners are of necessity imposed and submitted to. " Iu support of this assertion, it will only be necessary to ad vert to the fact td there having been 44-1 prisoners in confine'. ment at on e period its the last year, and 4-13 at another period in the preceding Year, and that the total number of cells in all the different wards, for their separate confinement by night, which, it will be admitted. is indispensable to any rational sys tem of discipline, is only 3.54. But this evil will present itself in a still strobger light, if reference is made to the accompany ing return, (Appendix A,) which shows the disposition of the prisoners at the period first alluded to (the 26th Aug.; 1837,) and the occupation of the cells that day, which it appears was as follows, viz.:— CLASS. PRISONERS. CELLS 27 confined in 14 49 69 ...... 32 36 Total Prisoners, 321 Cells, 163 and that the remainder of the remainder of the cells wen; dia. posed of as followi ISS. PRISONERS. CELLS. 21 10 12 40 20_ 27 13 and 11 123 191 " The former statement showing that 321 prisoners were placed in,163 cells, and the latter that 123 prisoners might have confined in separate cells, and that 68 cells or more might have been vacant; forcibly exhibiting a practical inconvenience, arising partly out of the construction of the building, and partly front the system of classification which causes some wards to be crow led to excess whilst others are comparatively unoccupied. But even where prisoners are lodged in separate cells, there exists in this prison the utmost facility of communicating through large ventilation holes, which open from each cell into the narrow passage which runs'between them ; by making use of which a conversation might be kept up almost in a whisper. In either case, therefore, there is a limit to that unrestricted in tercourse which it is so desirable to interdict. " From a consideration of these facts'it Would appear that to carry on any system of prison discipline worthy of an enligtened nation, the present Borough Gaol would require to be so en larged as to'afford the means of separate confinement by uight of all the prisoners within it, making alsd that dUe allowance of surplusaccommodation which an adherence to the existing sys tem of classitkation might render necessary; it would be re quisite also. to alter the mode of - ventilating the cells, so as to cut off the , cummunicat ion between thesis, afforded by th e p r e s eut . - " The former difficulty, With respect to numbers, migl.t, however, be partially obviated' by making some alterations at Kirkdate, and sending a larger proportion of the borough prisoners there, and it would be lessened in the event of any arrangement being , niade, which would relieve the gaol {'rout the custody of the juv en i le class • of offenders and th e debtors, and this would undoubtedly lie the cheapest course. " But however it might recommend itself on that account, it dues not appear that such would be the only point of view in which it would be regarded be the council of Liverpool. e• It will be gratifying to his lordship to observe that what ever desire there may be to ecmointse the funds placed at their disposal, yet there reigns in that influenti.il body a paramount feeling on the important sublect of prison discipline. and that. there exists au anxious desire fur an amelioration of the present system. The views of the council and the visiting justices on this subject are recorded in the following resolution, extracted fri.in the geueriil report of the a ljourned quarter sessions, held on the 5 . 11 ultimo, viz.:— " First resolution of the council at a special meeting held on the 9th of August, 1837:—That the council are fully aware of .the ineffieFency and even injurious - effect of the present system of prison disci phne, however well that system may be conducted. They regret the increase of crime, especially of juvenile delin quency, and fee: grateful to .her majesty's ministers for the at tention they have given to the subject. • They are anxious to express their earnest desire for the amelioration of prison dis cipline. whirls they consider essential to civic economy, and to the weird' e and security of all classes of the community : and for the furtherance of this abject, they so li c i t a f res h survey or the Borough Prison for the purpose of effecting such altera tions, as will adopt it to the contemplated - improved system." "On reading this resolution at the court held by the justices on the sth ultimo, it %vast esolved :—` That this court is seriously impressed with the injurious. consequences of the preserilsys tem of discipline. and are anxious for its amelioration. They are anxious at the slime time to avoid any unnecessary expense, and would therefore respeett'olly request the council to apply to the secretary oist ate, to again cause a fresh survey to be made of the prison, as it is now in's very different state froth that in whit h it was when first surveyed.' " FIMII the expression of such enlightened opinions; I am led to infer that any outlay which may h e necessary for prison pur poses at Liverpool will he regarded On the broad principle of .the benetioial results whirl,- may he expected to follow, rather than the comparative expense wilich may be regarded, for con ' tinning and estalrlishing one system which is considered itieffi 'cient. instead of adopting the requisite measures forsubstitutiug another, the merits of which are now highly appreciated. "The question therefore arises,—What are the most practi cable and economical means of carrying those views into effect, - by the substitution of the separate system'of confinement, which I presume to be that alluded to, fur the Luixed system which Present ciuntnstances entails ? •C`s, .\&- s - :-.~~, ".In order to arrive at a conclusion on this subject, I studied the g eneral dispositi o n o f th e buildings c ompos i ug t h e gao l , and he detaii s of construction as regarded the arrangement and of the cells, the thickeess of the partitions, the width of the passages, B.re. to ascertain whether it was adapted fur being al tered, so that it might form a portion of a prison on the same site, arranged with a view of carrying that system into effect; and suffici.oitly commodious to receive the whole of the borimgh. prisoners, for f, was anxious not to lose sight of the advantage 'of having all the prisoners committed within the jurisdiction of the municipal body,- placed under the control and mauagement of the local authorities. " But I found, that without a great sacrifice of space, arising from the necessity of throwing two cells into one, thus giving the prisoners a greater extent than is required, and reducing the accommodation nearly one-half, no real improvement could be effected. This, coupled with the inadequacy of the present accommodation, - for all the prisoners committed within the bo rough, which render it necessary to make such extensive addi tions to complete a prison on this plan, as that the expense would probably be but little short of what might be required for a new prison of an improved construction, on a different and less valuable site; and as no possible alteration would remedy original defects, the result of any attempt to realise a plan of this sort would be au imperfect and inconvenient prison, ill adapted for the purposes required; awl although unworthy of so important a borough as Liverpool, I cannot, therefore, but consider, that all the interests concerned would in the end be best studied, were the local authorities to regard the occupation of the present gaol, and the, contract with the county for the custody of their prisoners, as temporary measures, and seriously to entertain the questiiin of building a new prison, on an im proved principle, as soon as any existing difficulties may be re moved. "With reference to the second question, respecting the ob 4acles which exist to carrying the measure into effect, I atu given to understand thet the justices do not feel themselves in a position to recommend to the council the outlay of such a sum as would be required for the erection of a new gaol on the sepa rate system, whatever benefits .they may contemplate to result from it, until the enforcement of that system is more distinctly permitted by some legislative enactment; tor, according to the construction put Upon the 49th section of the 4th of George I V., which provides fur the classification of prisoners and not their individual separation, they are advised that there way be some doubt entertained as to its legality; and it would appear that so long as any doubt existed upon a point of pecuniary import ance as regard s the discussion of the question as that any diffi culti's remain which it is in the power of government to remove that it might be premature to press the point. Another ques tion of minor importance as affects the question of building a gaol, though it is of paramount importance in itself. is that re specting the disposal of juvenile offenders. This class of de linquents unhappily forms uo inconsiderable proportion of the inmates of all gaols, and as it appears to be admitted that the discipline of the separate system is not altogether applicable to youth, the numbers for whom it may be necessary-to provide accommodation, cannot be ascertained until this point is finally determined upon: and as it is a question greatly affecting the expense. especially where site is valuable, any curtailment of the number of cells to be constructed would have a direct ten dency to ,diminish the difficulties which now impede the pro gressive amelioration of prison discipline, and the establish ment of one nuiform system. " As far as regards the borough of Liverpool, I am impressed with the beiief that no substantial difficulties exist which would_ not be removed by the determination of the council to build. And v ills respect to the time within which a new prison mig,ht be expected to be leads , for _the reception of prisoners, 1 have little doubt within a year and a half of the resolution being, passed to erect one, the means would be found for cona pletim, it. " With reference to the third question, of the expediency of executing the additions and alterations now proposed for the present gaol, my observations lead me fully to concur in the opinion expressed by Captain Williams as to its being necessary that spine steps should immediately be takeu to supply the fol lowing deficiencies, viz:—a bath, a disinfecting apparatus, amid some means of securing greater comforts for the woolen employ ed in washing; and also as to its being very desirable that th ere should be the means o f separat i ng the sick in the event of any infectious disorder making its appearance among the prisoners. The alacrity, with which the justices and council appear dis posed to recommend and supply these deficiencies and their obvious disregard of expense in securing them. is a gratifying proof of the deep interest they take in the subject. The alter ations first proposed were at the estimated expense of £700; but those now contemplated, and the cost or each, as set forth in the general report of the justices assembled in quarter ses sions, on the 21st November, 18.37, are as follows 1. An examination and cleansing room, and a disinfecting room, with apparatus £s6o 0 0 2. Au hospital 3.• A wash -house with lauudiy, trod suitable conveniences 4. A houSe for the matron 4CO 5 A cooking;-house, with suitable conveniences 295 0 0 6. A watchman's cottage, outside the walls, with an extension of the stables Total £2455 0 • 0 ae execution of these services would doubtless add greatly to me - comfort and convenience of all concerned; but as they are such as would not materially influence the discipline of the prison, and as the essentials for which they provide could most of them be secured by restoring, when necessary, to some tem porary expedient, it would appear inj uoicious to expend so much nruiey on an improvement of so permanent a c haracter, if there exists_any probability of their being abandoned within any limited period, as, in fact, so long as the question of a new gaol is a matter of doubt, the liberal views entertained by the pre sent council might lead them to disregard the expenditure of a few thousand pounds, when the question of building on a more extended scale was before them, but with the annual change which takes plae in that body, different sentiments might here after .prevail, and an outlay of £2,500 on improvements Origi nating in the recommendation of a geverument officer, and sanctioned by the Secretary of State; whatever the present un derstandieg might be respecting them, might certainly affect the question of buil .ing a new gaol, and tend to prejudice and delay a measure which us of s.ast importance to the borough of Liverpool. " Under all the circumstances stated, and the iii pressions which I cote, tahl oo the suhject generally, I would, iu condo sion, most respectfully submit for his lordship's consideration— Ist. That all the legal difficulties arising out of the differeut constructions which may be put upon the 49th section of the 4th of George IV., which provides for the classication, and not . the individual separation of prisoners, should be taken into con sideration with a view to their removal. "2d. That the question of the final disposal of juvenile offend ers, and the system of discipline to which they should be sub ject, should be determined upon, so that hereafter there should be no difficulty in ascertaining the number of cells to he con structed in any new prison. be‘a'3pdp.ri'siel:;,lttlal'aitthiet n ‘ a r e o a u i l i d tii b n e e t e h x e t a re u i t i l , i , o l ;iti d e e s s i l f a L b i l v e er t r o o r o l l .i s i.e h i o n u .t i o d enter upon the discussion of pr„ii riy; o ti v i ej n qi il l , eati d n thed i° r an amelioration of the system of discipline at Borough Gaol, and to act upon it gaol, as soon as the it in the construction of 'a new as an extensive alteration of the present gaol, any existing difficulties were removed. 4th. That in the meantime the council should also be re quested to reconsider the proposed alterations, keeping in naind the expediency of building a new gaol, and the definite period within which it might be possible to complete it, with a view to the adoption of some nirree econotnical arrangement, in seeking to gain the conveniences they contemplate by those temporary measures, and at the smallest possible Outlay," The TOWN-CLERK next read the opinion of the law officers of the crown, above referred to, on separate confinement. The • case submitted to the attorney and sotteit or -i.Teu era i was whe ther by the 2d section of the sth and 601 William IV. c. 3.3, (notwithstanding anything contained iu the 4th Geo. IV. c. 64,) the secretary of state is empowered to m a k e regulati o ns for the if submi individu tted t al sepo him ara tionfor of ap prpisonrova er sl?, " or to sau e ti ou such regulations T o w hi c h they replied as follows We are or opinion. that under the 2,1 section of the sth and 6th William IV. c. 38, the state has the powe r o f sanctioning regulations sub mitted secretary approval, Aida provid e f or the i nd i vidual spa to n n him iora pi r i tstri tted n r and hi mhe may lawf u ll y alter or add to any regulations' subm te by directing such separatiou. Th is nothing in the 4th Geo. IV. c. 64, which prevents the execse or such a power by the secretary of state." The ToWN-CLERK expressed' his dissatisfaction with the opi nion of the I:ivy-officers of the crown, which be thought would have been different if a mature minute caseload been laid before them. But they were merely asked, whether the secretary of state might not adopt regulation s for the separate confiuement of prisoners, of which there could be no doubt, and Out whether they could confine prisoners in cells by themselves ' •there to be by them.elves, and th ere to work, and thereto take exercise, unless their health should make it abso:utely necessary to relax their solitary confinement. if that had been submitted, he thought they would have come to a different opinion. The true question was, wnether, under the act of parliament for the classi fication of prisoners, and which provides solitary confinement as a punishment iu particular cases, the secretary of slate can•go so far,. notwithstanding those enactments, to alter altogether the prison discipline, and enforce solitary confinement in gaols, although the acts of last session fin the anieudine.ut of the crim inal law, had gone to limit the duration of solitary confineineut? Ilad a statement of that kiwi been contained in the case, the opinion would have been more satisfactory. But even suppos-, ing that statement had been contained in the case, and the law officers of the crown had been of the opinion' now expressed, which only amounted to this, that the secretary of state might approve of regulations for the individual separation of prisoners, it guve no security that any future secretary of state would pur sue the same course, and this was too slit t ht an assurance for the council to expend from 1:150,000 to £2;t0,000 iu altering the gaol, or erecting a !WIN' one. The Al A You also said, that it had been urged upon Captain Jebb, that no call could be wade upon this bortnezb until some thing tome satisfactory was known tit the course of prison dis cipline to be pursued, and whether the imprisonment for debt bill would be passed, and till an assurance was given by govern ment, that if the corporation went to considerable expense in building a prison, that expense would be available. Likewise, what arrangement would be made for the discipline of juvenile delinquents. An' that if a new s‘stern of prison discipline were to be adopted for the benefit of the country at alarge, it was but. fair that the coun try at large should bear u portion or the ex pense, iu consequenc e of the alteration of the law. Capt. Jebb met fairly the objections of the GafliContmlitre, but theie again Lord John Russell had skimmed them over. Mr. Councillor WA LAISLEY said it might be well to induce Lord Juhn Russell to send down large bulks for the separate confinement of juvenile effenders, as was the case in the Thames, and save the outlay of £150.000 or 1:200,000. The M A vim said, that subject was urged upon the attention main Jebb. Counciller Cuunim said, it was hardly fair to say that some act for the regulation of prison discipline was indefinite, though it was, perhaps, as well to wait till it should be passed, "foie the corporation, on the faith of it, incurred expenie. But it was keown, that theme was a determination in the govern ment to introduce some general astern of prison discipline. Captain Jebb hail stated, That. he thought 30 or 40,0001. auuld be sufficient for the gaol. instead of 150 to 200,0 0 0 1 • o, I Ile rowN-cr.Eklisaid, he had heard the expense estinfhted at. KUM. When they came to exfenses of that kind, It Was frequently' seveial ihousauds more. The subject was then referred back generally to the gaol coin tnittee and justices to report to the next council. st.AuGwrior HOUSES. A report from the Finance Committee was - brought up and confirmed in sumo particulaiS, but ou others referred back to the committee. It reiated to confirming to Mr. Etche s a perma nent annual pa‘iment of £240, by bond t n the confirmation, for 75 , years; Mr. Etches being bound to keep the slaughter-huuses ill . proper repair. P"UND KEEPER The appointment of litehard Butl;•r. keeper of the North Police siation, as keeper of a❑ adjoining pound, wa s cull . firmed. There were other a►pplicatiuns. but as this appointment avoided the expence of a salary, and also had the advantage of having a keeper under the direction of tne police in►pectuts, it met with the approval of the council. PILOT COMMISSIONERS. The TowN CLERK then stated to the council the necessity of appointing fotty-one members of the council as commissioners, (in lieu of the mayor and council prior to the municipal cot po tations' act,) to carry into exctuttun an act of the sth of George LER LIAR Y 23, 1838.. MOLYNEUX'S CHARITY. The Mayor was then appointed a trustee under an act of the 9th of George the 4th, intituled " An act for enabling theti us tees of ADO M o ly neux ' s c h ar i t i es in Liverpool to grant buildings and repair leases, and for better vesting the estates in them, fur vesting, the Exchange, and other purposes for the benefit of the charities. The appointment was to be made an nually, but since the mayoralty of Mr. Currie, we understood, the office had been vacant. His worship was appointed, not by virtue of his office of mayor, but merely as one of the council. THE NEW COMMISSION. The MAYOR observed they were aware that her present ma jesty was about to issue a new commission of the peace, and on a former similar occasion they had sent a list of gentlemen whom they had recommended to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, who were appointed the magistrates fur this bo rough. Unfortunately there were three vacancies by death, and one gentleman, Mr Charles Bullen, declined to quality, and desired that his name might be struck out. Mr. Henry Moss, who had previously neglected to quality, in answer ro a letter on the subject from the Town-clerk, had expressed his wish that his name should remain on the list. • The TowN-CLERK read the correspondence that had passed between him and those gentlemen. • Mr. Councillor Bi.neanuaN then rose and said, he thought it desirable that the council should avail itself of the privilege conceded to it, for it was not tight to name four gentlemen to be put on the commission to fill up the vacancies. He begged to move, that they recommend Mr. Alderman Booth as one of the magistrates for Liverpool. Mr. Councillor Bass seconded the motion. The MA volt was about to put the question, when Mr. Councillor Chan IE said, the course pursued on a former occasion was to send up lists of names to the mayor, from which choice was made. Mr. Councillor RA AISDEN thought they should act on that suggestion on the present occasion. It was very disagreeable fur one gentleman to object to another. Mr. Councillor H. HoLsths said, it would save time to - go at once to the vote. The MA Yolt said, they might rake the vote by ballot. Mr. Alderm a n BnowN proposed, that this Vote should be by But it was afterwards agreed, that the gentlemen should first ba proposed, and then be made choice of, by each member wri ting the names on pdper of the gentlemen for whom he voted. Mr. Alderman • EvANS then nominated Mr. James Aiken, which was seconded by Mr. Councillor \VALSJSLEY. Mr Councillor flour proposed, seconded by Mr. Councillor H. HOLMES, Mr. ltichard Houghton. Mr. Alderman BA itcLAy proposed, and Mr. Councillor RAMS.' DEN seconded, the nomination of Mr. Richard HaywoodJooes, arid M. Councillor H ou NBY proposed, and Mr. Councillor EMIL& seconded the nomination of Mr. William Dixon. There being five gentlemen nominated, Mr. G. H. LA WHENCE rose and observed, he thought they might recommend the whole five, who were all good arid excel lent men. Mr. Councillor EARLE seconded the motion. • Mr. Alderman BENN moved that the number be four only; seconded by Mr. Hornbv. On a division the numbers were—. For Mr. Lawrence's motion that the number be five 19 Fur Mr. Belln'S amendment ........................ 15 Majority.,..., ... —4 Mr. Alderman Sum t. then inquired whether he was pre vented nominating another tr ent i enian, and on being answered in the negative, proposed Mr. Councillor Joshua Walinsley. Mr. Councillor HIGGINS seconded the nomination. The council then proceeded to au election, by writing the names of the gentlemen for whom they votedon pieces of paper, which were collected and handed to the Mayor. On the read ing of the voting paper, it appeared that the choice of the coon ctl had fallen on Mr. Booth, Mr. Houghton, Mr. Jones, Me. Aiken, and Mr.*Dixon. The numbers were as follows:—For Mr. Booth, 35, Jones 32, Mr. Houghton 31, Mi. Aiken 31, Mr. Dixon 27, and Mr. Walinsley (not chosen) 9. The council then adjUnrned, at ten minutes to two o'clock, to "Wednesday, the 7th March next. DORMANT TurLus.—The dormant ScOtel; tide of "Earl of Oxenford" will shindy be revived in the persen of the rightful heir, a native of this city, and now residing not one hundred miles front Leinster-street. The rental of thv estates, now in possession of the crown, is estimated at more than 1.70,0(X/ per annum, besides upwards of 100,000 of ready cash, pending the decision of the Lord Chancellor. when the title is confirmed— which there is every lesson to believe there is no doubt.— Warder. A noble earl, who has long passed his grand clitnacteric, will, it is rumoured, shortly he united to a distinguished vocalist sometime since retired from the stage, residing in the vicinity of Connaught -terrace. The venerable peer, whose countess, from whom he had long been separated, is lately deceased, awaited but the freedom of widowhood to offer Miss ----- his hand.—He ra ld. [The parti es a ll u d e d to are the Earl of Essex and Miss Stephens, but we du not place any reliance ou the amour.] AN ANCIENT COUPLE. -At Rochdale parish church on Tues day, a couple were married who were each-about sixty years of age; it was the third time of the bride and the fourth time of the bridegroom being married. PRICE (11 , LA ND AT WA KEFIEI.D.-a respectable solicitor at Wakefield has succeeded in selling some land in Thorne, for one of his clients, to the directors of the Manchester and Leeds railway, at the high rale of J.:500 per acre. A gentleman re siding to Thorne asks the same parties the still higher sum of i:1200 per acre, and, if, the bargain be not struck, will in all probability go to jury upon the matter. Of tourse there are circumstances in the ►atter case justifying the seemingly exor bitant price. Land adjoining has been sold at a considerably higher rate. •. GERMAN MODE or CURING AMS.—In Westphalia, hams are cured between November and March. The Germans pile them up in deep tubs, covering them with layers of salt, salt- Tetra, and a small quantity of bay leaves. In this situation they let them remain about four or five days, when they make a 'strong pickle of salt and water, with which they cover them completely; and, at the'expilation of three weeks, they take them out of pickle, soak them twelve hours in clean well water, and hang them for three weeks . longer in smoke made from the juniper bushes, which in that 'country_ are abundantly met with. —Ecunontist. whlaevewihselkiiaredxlaYnaLiT.tnisttharatcelici.toinenaetciteendtiwo-itti.h do,u,ersexmi;itte3niecieri abundant evidence of the wisdom and beneficence which preside over the universe. We have only to turn up the soil at our feet, to find in it innumerable seeds useful to man ; we have only tis look around us upon the surface of the earth, to see it stocked with a variety of animals, conducive not only to our subsistence, but to our couveuienc e and recreation. The sea also, and the air, have their population at our command; and the more deeply we investigate the laws by which the whole system of animal and vegetable life is governed the more clearly w e s h a ll per ceive their c om pl ete and exclusive adaptation to the planet ots which they carry on their o p e rations. —Quarterly' lietiew. A BARON IN Tlik WonK HousE.—A Swedish baron, Charles Kierulf was admitted by direction of the presiding magistrate of the police-office, Mary -le-bonn e , being found in a state of destitution ou the 24th of November, into the Kensington Union. He died on the 24th ult., aged 79; leaving by his will £5O to the charity (the Union, ► EIO to the toaster, £5 to the matron, fur mourning Hugs, and thus concludes his will, which he addressed to the master,• Mr. French May God bless you for the kindn .ssviiti•have shown Ware unfortunate Charles baron Kietulf, brigadier general." SIR JAMES GRAHAM.—It appears' that Colonel Owen re tires from the representation of the Pembroke boroughs for the express and patriotic purpose or enabling - the right bon. baronet again to takb his seat in the House of Coromons. A latter from Pembroke says:—"The writ having been sent to Cardi gan, where the deputy sheriff resides, I do not suppose we can have the election before Tuesday ; but of this I can assure you Sir James is as certain of his seat as if he were already returned. Opposition, I am fully persuaded. there will be none; but should any one be brought forward tti try his strength with the right hon. baronet, the opposition will be of too feeble a cast to. give Us any concern, for or the voters iu this loyal borough ninety-nine out of every hundred will give their support to the conservative candidate. That it is left to Our boroughs to seat Sir James Graham in the House Of Commons is an honour Mild) we shall ever lie 'Hood o f ; nor can it be less flattering to Sir James to b e brought in (as assuredly he will be) by the united voices of the' electors." Another letter says:,--'' Sir James Graham 1 %111 - b Iy. e 'as well supporteda as bby .l the e to tsfig) that a h t s t ( )r o e! On Wedt esday. the right hun. baronet can ke • and Penthioke Dock; and met with the greatest success. - Ou Thursda' he visited Teuby, where he was recsseit ed aYs : t—h wi " equal. w aruith."--Col. O wen, in his retiring ad dre, sln relnnia fruit' the litinour of' representing you iu pal lia men!, aid iu thus giving you an immediate opportunity of electing another representative, I h ave sacrificed titivate gratification to a paramount sense of public duty, believing, as do, that the candidate who offers himself to your notice, and who, I trust, will be the object of your choice, is tar more capa ble of rendering you effectual service, and that his electiom Milt be, in this Woo of difficulty, of the wog esieutiotbeo4t to thy country." the 4th, intituled "An act fur the better regulation and en ; couiagement of pilots for the conducting of ships and vessels into and out of the port of Liverpool." He said, by the muni cipal act the council had, the appointment of a like number of commissioners as formerly acted front the council—one of the forty-one to act iu lieu of the mayor, another in the place of the deputy-mayor, and thiity-nine as general commissioners. Mr. Wool, observed that there were several members of the council that were already commissioners under the act. The TOWN-CLERK remarked that it would be better to leave those gentlemen out of the appointments. The act provided that there should he a certain number appointed by the coun cil and certain other persons who were to supply the vacancies in the pilots' committee. Mr. EA tt Ls said he understood that government was about to bring in a general pilot bill, and he suggested that the commis sioners should direct their attention to it, to see whether some beneficial enactments could not be introduced. Mr. BIBBY - inquired what were the duties of the mayor and ommissioners appointed the council. The TowN-cLhex replied that the mayor and members ap pointed by the council were commissioners, like others, and one of their most important duties was to appoint the pilot com mittee, and in case of vacancy by death the mayor or deputy mayor must be one of ten to form a meeting. Mr. BIBBY was happy to hear that there was likely to be a general pilot act, for the pilots in this port were daily becoming • more inefficient. They now did nothing without steamer's, and were consequently without the necessary practice to make theca as efficient as was desirable . The port was going into decay front the inefficiency of the pilots. They brought the port into discredit, and underwriters wanted a higher premium in con sequence. He thought some clause might be beneficiallvintro duced into the new act, or some representations made, that would be advantageous. Mr. Cullum thought what had fallen from Mr. Bibby was of the highest importance, and thought smite means should be adopted fiir punishing offending pilots by taking part of the earnings of their boats. The TOWN-CLERK explained that this had been brought be fore the council now in consequence of the mayor being called upon to sign some appointment of a Meeting for the election of a commissioner in the room of one &ceased. But as he had not power to do so it became necessary to appoint forty-one commissioners from the council to carry into effect the purposes of the act. The council was only empowered to elect forty-one, fur it was properly enacted that they should not send in the whole sixty-four in opposition to the other commissioners; and the appointment must be made either at that or the next meet ing, and he thought the proper course would be to leave out of the forte-one the gentlemen that were already commissioners. - The MAYOR' thought it would lie better to refer it to the Town clerk to prepare a list, and produce it at the next:tneeting,J for• the council to efect•thecommissior.ers. which was agreed to. The MAYOU then asked Mr. Bibby if he wished to make any motion on the subject he had mentioned. But alter a few observations from Mr. Bibby, in which he expressed his belief that there would be no remedy till the boats of the toasters were fined for the negligence or inefficiency of their men, and from Mr. Currie, it was thought necessary to . do so, as doubtless the commissioners would pay proper atten— tiou to the subject.