The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-10-12 00:00:00

IIOMAS DISMORE, SILVERSMITH and JEWELLER, T 35, BOLD -STREET, (from Dismore and Sons, Manufac turers, London,) respectfully announces to the Nobility, Gentry, and Visitors of Liverpool and its Vicinity, that he has on Sale a variety of JEWELLERY, of the choicest description, the quality and reasonable prices of which he trusts will give every satisfaction. Diamonds, Pearls, &c. &c. purchased, or reset in the ,newest fashion. YORK AND NORTH MIDLAND RAILWAY. CALL OF FOURTH INSTALMENT OF £8 PER SHARE. THE Directors of the York and North Midland Railway Company having, in pursuance of the provision; in the Act, resolved to make a CALL OF £8 PER SHARE, payable on or before SATURDAY, the 13th day of October next, Proprietors of Shares in this Company are hereby required to pay, on or before that day, to any of the under mentioned Bankers, the Sum of £8 on each of their respec tive Shares. BANKERS. London Messrs. Barnetts, Hoare, and Co. London ... Messrs. Williams, Deacon, and Co. York The City and County Bank. York The Union Bank. The Bankers have been instructed to charge Interest at the rate of Five per Cent. per Annum, according to the Provi sions of the Act of Incorporation, from the 13th day of October next, on all Sums tendered after that day. GEORGE H U DSON, Chairman audDeputy-Chairman JAMES MEEK, S of the Board of Directors. By Order, GEORGE BAKER, Secretary. York and North Midland Railway Office, York, 6th September, 1838. InOurance Noticro. NORWICH UNION FIRE INSURANCE SOCIETY ESTABLISHED 1821. CAPITAL, £550,000. TRUSTEES. Right Hon. Lord Wodehouse, Rt. Hon. the Earl of Orford. I Lord Lieutenant Sir Henry Jardine. Sir Jacob Astley, Bart. M.P. I Charles Savill Onley, Esq. Sir E. K. Lacon, Bart. DIRECTORS. E. T. Booth, Esq., President. Lieut.-Col. John Harvey, Vice-President. Anthony Hudson, Esq. Isaac Preston, Esq. Recorder George Morse. Esq. of Norwich. William Herring, Esq. Charles Evans, Esq. Col. Sir Rob:. John Harvey, Edward Steward, Esq. C.B. Lewis Evans, Esq., M.D. George Seppings, Esq. Thos. Blakiston, Esq., R.N. Secretary--Samuel Bignold, Esq. THE Public are respectfully reminded, that alt Insu rances renewable in the eLI-VERPOOL AGENCY on the 29th day of September, 1838, must be paid at the Office, Exchange-street West, on or before the 11th day of October, or the Society will cease to be liable for the Sums insured. The RETURNS of PREMIUM for the three years end ing the 29th September, 1836, are now in course of payment. In proof of the public approbation of the principles and conduct of this Company, it may be sufficient to state that its business now exceeds FIFTY-FOUR MILLIONS. - Prospectuses may be had of R. L. MILLER, Agent. Treasurers-I'll E LIVERPOOL BOROUGH BANK. QUACKERY IN POLITICS AND PHYSIC.—You have laws a regulatin' of quack doctors, but none a regulatin' of quack politicians; now a quack doctor is bad enough, and danger ous enough, gracious knows; but a quack politician is a devil outlawed—that's a fact.—Sam Slick. Nova'. MODE of Ski AVING.—While I was in the shep herd's encampment I saw a shaving performed.in a very ex traordinary manner The thighbone of a sheep was broken, and the marrow of it smeared on the patient's head, cheeks, and chin. The shepherds generally carry a sheep's thigh bone, to be ready for the operation, struck in their garter, just as a Highlander wears his little knife for ham-stringing deer.—Urguhart's Travels in the East. FUTURE PROSPECTS OF EGYPT.— I fear there is no hope for Egypt—at least, at present. There is a gleam in the sky, but, like the false down in India, it will fade away, and deeper darkness will succeed. Yet the true dawn will come at last, and brighten into perfect day; and then, and not till then, will Egypt, Christian Egypt, rise from the dust, and resume her seat among the nations.—Lord Lindsay's Letters on Egypt. THE POTATO.—What can be more curious than the cir cumstance, that when the potato is propagated by cuttings. these cuttings will produce roots of the same quality; but when it is propagated by seed, scarcely two roots resemble each other. This is the case generally of trees and plants. A cutting of the golden pippin will produce a golden pippin; a seed of the same tree will produce a crab. If it was not for this law of nature against us, we might perpetuate all fruits. INDICATIONS OF A SEVERE WINTER.—Many animals have a much warmer fur in the winter than in the summer months, and this winter coat, it has been observed by naturalists, is found far advanced in the preparatory autumn. This boun teous provision of nature seems to have been extended to the ♦egetable world; and it has been observed that the pellicle of onions is much thicker on the approach of a severe win ter than on that of a more temperate season.—Curiosities of Medical Experience. PUGNACIOUS CAMELS IN THE DESERT.—AbOUt the mid dle of the day, as usual, the sheik rode ahead, and, striking his spear in the sand, and had coffee prepared before we came up. While we were sitting around the spear, two of our camels so far forgot the calm dignity of their nature, and their staid habits, as to get into a fight • and one of them, finding himself likely to come off second best, took to his heels, and the other after him ; they were baggage camels, one being charged with my boxes of provisions and house keeping apparatus, and his movements indicated death to crockery. I will not go into particulars, for eggs, rice, macaroni, and lamp-oil make a bad mixture; and though the race and fight between the loaded camels were rather lu dicrous, the consequence was by no means a pleasent thing in the desert.—Stephens's Incidents of Tray.fl, 4'c. MaTarsioNe.—l've been afeerd to ventur on matrimony myself, and I don't altogether think that I shall spekelate in that line for one while; it don't jist suit a rovin' man like me. It's a considerable of a tie ;—and then it ain't like a horse deal, where, if you don't like the beast, you can put it off in a raffle or a trade, or swop and suit yourself better; but you must make the best of a bad bargain, and put up with it. It ain't often you meet a crittur of the right metal: spirited, yet gentle; easy on the bit, sure-footed, and spry; no bitin', no kickin', or sulkin', or racin' off, or refusin' to go, or run nin' back, and then clean limbed and good carriage. It's about the difficultest piece of business I know on.—Sans FISHING IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA.—The king stood erect in his bark canoe, while nine young men, with short spears, went up the river, and as many down the river, until, at a signal from him, they all dived into it, and returned towards him, alternately swimming and diving; these divers trans fixing the fish under water, and throwing them on the bank. Others on the river brink speared the fish, when thus enclosed, as they appeared among the weeds. In this manner they speared, with astonishing despatch, some enormous cod (Peel's perch;) but the largest were struck by the chief from his canoe, with a long barbed spear. The death of the fish, in their practised hauds, was almost instantaneous, and caused by merely holding them by the tail, with the r ills immersed. —Major Mitchell's Expedition into the interior of Australia. LLD I CROUS MISTAKE.—A great restraint is placed on the expression of public opinion throughout the Austrian domi nions, but more successfully in Austria Proper than in Hun- Vary. Here politics are freely discussed; not so there. At ienna, an Englishman in a cafe was speaking to a friend about his partiality for tea, and observed in the language of the country, " Ich liehe thee," or, "I am fond of tea." One of the undress police, catching indistinctly the last three syl lables, immediately accosted him, saying, Sir, "liberte" is a word not to be uttered in Austria!" In fact, as Napoleon decreed impossible to be excluded from the French language, so liberty is declared not to be Austrian. —Elliott's Three Great Empir e' s. How To BoTriElt MINISTERS.—SaIaries are a never-end ing theme for you; officials shouldn't be paid at all; the ho nour is enough for 'em; a patriot sarves his country for nothin'. Take some big salary for a text, and treat it this way ; says you, there's John Doe's salary, it is £750 a year, ‘' that is '2 a day. Now, says you, that is sixteen common la bourers pay at 6d. each per day; shall it be said that our great marinouth official is worth 16 free citizens, who toil harder and fare worse than he does? Then take his income for ten years, and multiply it. See, says you in ten years he has received the enormous sum of £7500; then run over the things £7500 would effect on roads, bridges, schools, and so on, and charge him with havin' been the means of robbin' the country rif all these blessin's; call 'em blood-suckers, pampered minions, bloated leeches."—Sam Slick's Sayings and Doings. AN EAKriii.Y PURGATORY.—Certain convents were said to have an apartment or dungeon into which the friars every day, during the warm season, brushed or shook the fleas from their habits through the aperture above (being the only en trance), and where, whenever a frail brother was convicted of breaking the most fragile of his vows, he was let down naked, and with his hands tide ! This earthly purgatory was called "Le Pulciara," that is the Fleary ; and there the culprit was left, till it was deemed that he had suffered punish. ment enough in this life for his offence. — The Doctor. INSTANTANEOUS GINGER BEER.—FiII a bottle with pure cold water, then have a cork ready to fit it, also a string or wire to tie it down with, and a mallet to drive the cork, so that no time may be lost; now put into the bottle sugar to your taste, (syrup is better,) and a tea-spoonful of good powdered ginger, shake all well, then add the sixth part of an ounce of super carbonate of soda; cork rapidly, and tie down—shake the bottle well—cut the string—the cork will fly—then drink Ginger Beer. STATE OF HEALTH IN THE METROFOLIS.—We regret to state that the small-pox have been for some time very preva lent in various parts of the metropolis, and exceedingly fatal. The bills of mortality for the past week mention 45 deaths as owing to that disease alone, and we have heard from several registrars that they have had a very large proportion of deaths to register from that cause. The bills of mortality give an increase of 560 deaths upon the past week, principally attri buted to age and debility, consumption, convulsions, and sraall-pox.—Observer. A Parolee's NOTION OF WHlGS.—(Slightly altered from the Globe. )—A farmer ire the neighbourhood of Godalming, Surrey, dining with one of the inhabitants of that town a short time since, and politics being introduced, the conduct of the Whigs was commented on by some of the party, when the farmer observed—" Why, now, gentlemen, I can com pare their general conduct to nothing better than that of some of my pigs. I feed them with pease in my farmyard; those who happen to be within the gate eat the pease very orderly and quietly—you hear no noise or grumbling amongst them; but presently come a parcel of other pigs from the field, and being without the gate, they run to this side and that, push the gate with their nose, squeak, halloo, and kick up a dis turbance ; but the moment I open the gate and introduce them to the pease, they become as quiet as so many mice in a full barn." —John Bull. PERILOUS SITUATION OF THE DUCHESS OF BUCCLEUGH. The young and beautiful Duchess of Buccleugh made a nar row escape last week, on the mountain of Ben Nevis. The duke has been deer-stalking in Badenoch; and the duchess, on Monday last, undertook to ascend Ben Nevis, on foot, from Corpach Inn, at the western end of the Caledonia Canal. She was accompanied on the expedition by a young gentle man, a near relation of the duke; and they took with them a guide, who proved subsequently imperfectly acquainted with the road. When on the summit of the mountain, the day, which had been previously been fine, became hazy, and night was at the same time drawing on. The little party were soon enveloped in a dense mist, and the guide became perfectly bewildered. The duchess, with a degree of moral courage scarcely to have been anticipated in a young lady of delicate nature and constitution, exerted herself to keep up the spirits of her companions and to nerve them to persever ing exertion. Iler efforts had been unavailing _amid that wilderness of precipices and morasses—for who can say what would have been the effect of exposu're to the inclement night air on so delicate a frame ?—but for the sagacious exertions of Mr. JohnM`Donald, proprietor of the Ben Nevis distillery. The long delay of the duchess had excited alarm, and the inhabitants of Fort William were mustering to the rescue, when Mr. Ll`Donald mounted his horse, and, taking with him a large hand-bell, cantered out into the dark night. The sound of the bell caught the ear of the wanderers; and the duchess and her noble relativim were, by this ingenious de vice, rescued from their ilang2.roua situation. Mr. M`Donald's plaid being converted into a tempoary pack-saddle, the noble lady was conveyed in au almost exhausted state to Fort wk. re "tired nature'e best reotorerr ,effaced. a) ;, r 14k toil Glasgow Cowl - er ' 7 . 1 ow+ * r '; •-• ' - -• •• 1 7,0 i 1 . i i , 1 t , TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. On Wednesday an adjourned meeting of the Town Coun cil was held, for the purpose of considering the proposition of the Dock Committee, for making a new dock, and erect ing warehouses on the quay, as also on the quays of other docks. The question being one which has created much ex citement, there was a very full attendance of members. BYE LAWS, The TOWN CLERK announced that, in pursuance e the standing orders of the Finance Committee, a b%e law was now before them, for amending the bye law as to the admis sion of lights on board steam vessels, so as to admit lights on board steam vessels when the machinery was under repair . The bye law would lie on the table as proposed to be amended. THE WAREHOUSE QUESTION. The MAYOR.—I suppose, in conformity with the adjourn ment, we will now take into consideration the dock proceed ings ; and it will probably facilitate those proceedings if we first read over and confirm those proceedings which are under the dock acts. By disposing of these, it would rather sim plify the proceedings of the day. Some person will then probably move that these proceedings be confirmed, which will then introduce the debate. The DEPUTY TOWN CLERK then read the proceedings of the Dock Committee. It was resolved that proper life boats be constructed, and .hat models be obtained. Mr. Alderman LEATHOM moved that the proceedings, so 'ar as they had been read, be confirmed. The Mayorr.—lt has been suggested, that in readir4C, the proceedings of the Dock Committee that are now about to be read, it will be also desirable to read the proceedings of the Finance Committee that have taken place since the last Coun cil, as they have a material bearing upon the question. It would put the Council i❑ possession of all that has passed. The DEPUTY TOWN CLERK then read the following:— " The Sub-committee appointed on the 2nd of August and 6th of September last, to consider the consolidat►on of the existing Dock Acts, the heads of a New Dock Bill, together with the necessary notices, and also to produce plans em bracing all such dock and warehouse accommodation as may seem desirable, having give❑ their most serious consideration to the important matters referred to them, beg to present their report to the General Committee. First, with regard to a dock, &c., capable of admitting large-class steamers at the north end of the present dock works, the expediency for which at this port has become apparent by the success of the transatlantic voyages recently made, and the insufficient width of the entrances of the docks at present used by steam vessels, which could not now be altered without considerable expense, and the greatest inconvenience to the general trade of the port. " In considering the various plans submitted by the Dock Surveyor for these proposed improvements northward, the Sub-committee having regard to that which seems to them likely to promote the general interest of the port, and to give the greatest accommodation at the least possible expense, both as to the price of land and the construction of the works, have arrived at the conclusion that it will not be advisable to build the proposed docks from east to west, but that one duck, together with an entrance, &c., and a graving dock, should he built, extending north and south, preserving the present line of river wall, and leaving ample space for the removal of the fort to another site. [T he report here embodied a re ference to the plan which had been approved of.] To carry this proposed plan into effect, the Sub-committee recommend . . that power be taken in the new bill to enable the trustees of the docks to purchase from the Corporation so much of the land, and strand of the river, extending from the north boun dary line of the present dock works, as far northward as may be necessary for the workscontemplated. " In connexion with the proposed increase of accommodation of steam vessels, the Sub-committee have seen the necessity of adopting a different mode of measuring steam vessels so as to increase the Dock tonnage duty on such vessels, in a just and fair proportion for the accommodation afforded them, and for the purpose, have requested the owners to appoint a deputation from among themselves, to confer with your Sub committee on the subject, with a view of effecting an arrange ment on a satisfactory basis. The Sub-committee also re commend, that a charge be made on the Steam ferry and other vessels not liable to dockage, but which are brought into the Docks for the purpose of repair, or laying up, for the time they may remain in dock. "Secondly, with regard to the proposed improvements to the northward of the Salthouse Dock, the Sub-committee recommend, that power also be taken in the bill, to enable the Trustees to purchase the whole of the property to the westward of the Salthouse Dock, including the strand of the river, and extending from Gower-street and Cornhill on the south, and including No. 1 Graving Dock and Quays on the north. (Here were further references to ,the plan, setting forth, that the Sub-committee had endeavoured to devise. that the works. might be executed in the most economical manner, and so as to give the greatest accommodation to the general trade of the port.) The report proceeded as follows : The Quays of the proposed New Dock, to the westward of the Salthouse Dock, have been planned so as to admit of the erection of warehouses, and a future period to be limited by the provisions of the intened bill. It is also proposed to widen the east quay -of the Salthouse Dock, and to add to its waterspace the spare ground at the north-east end. The Sub-committee also reccommend the purchase of No. 2 and 3 Graving Docks, with their appendages, to form part of the Dock Estate, and the introduction of clauses into the bill, to enable the trust to effect a communication from the Salthouse Dock to the King's Dock, through the land and premises of the late Duke of Bridgewater. The Sub-committee thought that the Trustees should be empowered to borrow upon bonds or assignment;, stuns of money for the general improvements, and for the erection of warehouses intended to be built on the west side of the Prince's Dock. The Sub-committee stated, that the Dock Solicitor had been instructed to pre pare a notice to be published in the Gazette, &e., in compli ance with the standing parliamentry orders. The Solicitor had also, by direction, prepared the heads of a bill for build ing the proposed warehouses at at the Prince's Dock ; also the beads of a bill for carrying into effect the general objects contemplated for the improvement of the Port and Harbour of Liverpool. The Sub-committee further recommended a compliance with certain forms required by the standing orders of the House of Commons, so that the Trustees might be enabled to apply to Parliament in the next Session." The minutes of the Dock Committee proceedings also contained the notice alluded to, which had been approved of. The minutes embodied the heads of the proposed bills. Mr. Mavoit..--Plans of the intended docks have been sent up by the Dock Committee to the Council. I have also re ceived this communication from the underwriters' room, signed W. Jones, chairman, calling attention to the great danger to the vessels in the docks, during the late tire, by the falling of pieces of fire, and stating, that by the building of warehouses on the verge of the docks that danger would be greatly increased. (Hear.) Gentlemen, allow me to make a very few observations. We are about to commence a discussion of very great importance, and I feel that my position will be one of very great difficulty, and I shall have to call the assistance of the Council. It will he toy duty not to confine gentlemen to the discussion before the council. And, gentlemen, let us remember that there is a large amount of property which persons think is involved in the question, and which other persons think is not involved, but rather improved. But do let us keep in mind that on which we are deliberating, and deliberate on it with coolness. (Hear.) I shall call upon Mr. Alderman Evans to open the debate. Mr. ALD. EVANS.—Mr. Mayor, I rise for the purpose of moving for the conformation of the Dock Retorts: they are reports of unusual interest, must particularly where they re late to the introduction of new bills into parliament for the construction of the warehouses on the Prince's Dock, which have already received the sanction of this council. They also go for two new (locks in other parts of the town, one of them to be enclosed with warehouses, which I apprehend will be used for bonding purposes. It is highly desirable that w,p should have warehouses of that sort to attract com merce, of which we have had an inconsiderable share, and one infinitely below what Liverpool ought long to have pos sessed. Of the advantages of warehouses upon the docks. What I expect they will be, will be the despatch of ships, the consequent desire that ships will have to come to Liver pool at more reasonable rates of freight, a considerable re duction in the existing charges upon merchandise, perfect se curity given to property as well from robbery or wholesale abstractions as from ordinary pilferage; the great advantages that will also arise from the legalized system of warrants, by which merchandise within the public warehouses will be con verted, without expense, and at a moment's notice, into mo ney, either to enable the harassed merchant to get relief, or the enterprising merchant to go into other schemes. It, in some measure, is giving that absolute security that can never be acquired in private warehouses, which, in a great mea sure, has a tendency to double the capital of merchants. These, Sir, are among the pecuniary advantages : but there is another and a great one—moral advantages. It will be the withdrawal of the temptation which is so widely spread at present over the whole town and around all our open docks, and is also carried into the private warehouses, over which there is not, and there cannot be, any adequate superintend ence. Every person who knows the commerce of Liverpool, knows that the establishments not on a large scale keep no warehousemen; those upon a large scale, it is out of the question that they can keep any adequate number, because their business comes on in gushes. And what are these warehousemen, who are, after all, the only watchman—the only guardians? Why, sir, they are men drawn out of the lowest ranks; out of that very order of the porters over whom they are thought to preside, but with whom, on the contrary, they are more likely to have sympathies, and may be connected with interest : for, I believe that some of them have a per centag,e out of the wages of those labourers to whom they may choose to give the preference of employment. This subject, at a former council, was so completely dis cussed that I consider myself quite exonerated from the necessity of going into any further details in order to point out advantages which, I believe, are generally admitted. I believe it is nowhere denied that warehouses around the docks of Liverpool would give Liverpool a very great advan tage over her rivals, not only in her foreign, but in her coast ing, and in her inland commerce. But, sir, having stated that I will nut go (at least for the present, nor will I here after unless the course of the discussion in a measure com pels me to go) into it, nor trouble the council with more de tails. I know that I am addressing au assemblage of as in telligent mercantile men as can possibly be brought together, and were Ito attempt to go into minor details, it certainly would be a work of supererogation. But there is one point only which I shall now go into; it is the recent calamity of the late fire. It is a subject intimately 'connected with that before the council. I have no other view in requesting the indulgence of the council to allow me to refet to a printed letter in the Albion. I have no other wish to make use of it than to shorten what I would otherwise have to say. This letter has the peculiar merit, 1 believe, of embodying all the arguments that have been raised out of doors in order to pervert the circumstance of that calamity—which speaks more eloquently than words could possibly do, in favour of the warehouse scheme—into an argument against it. I shall not attempt to read the letter out, but will merely refer to points in it. The MAYOR.—WouId you like the Deputy Town-clerk to read such parts as you wish? Mr. Alderman EVANS continuing. No, I shall not. These arguments, as they are the arguments of others, I would like, you know, to refer to specifically. The writer of this letter is a man of the highest standing in Liverpool, who would be distinguished in any place in the world in his profession of an architect. He is a man for whom I have a great respect, but in this case I cannot believe that he has brought his usual candour to bear upon the subject. Mr. Holum is the gentle man to whom I allude. Now, sir, his question is, " had this accident happened to warehouses on the edge of the duck where would the shipping have been ?" Sir, I reply, that in the warehouses we propose to have at the edge of the dock, there would have - been no fire happening. (Hear.) There are neither pipes nor candles allowed, sir. The evidence of that is here, in those London establishments. (Mr. Evans here begged for a glass of water; he hail not been well for two days, and an acidity arose.) Now, sir, the evidence is the ex istence of four enormous establishments in London; the East India, the West India, the London, and the St. Katherine - 5 Docks, all of them environed with warehouses, and at por tions of the year tilled with ships, and the most dangerous of all; and one of these set of warehouses—the loftiest are built of wood upon the very verge of the dock, and in that dock there is no restriction whatever upon the ships as to using fire or lights; they cook and do every thing on board. Now , sir, here is for an immense number of years faiar chance ssf Tarr ; upon a scale which, if you rook at individual warehouAes, are nearly equal to a thousand chances fur fire, and yet the fire has never existed : and such is the confidence of the world in that security, that the shipping, goods, and warehouses, al together, are insured for Is. Gil., while we here have, I believe, from ss. up to 1 2s. to pay.—(Hear.) Now, sir, if any one was to enter into a calculation from the period of duration of these London Farehouses—of the whole four, and average them, they would find the saving between the London insu rance and the Liverpool would be millions of money already. Now, sir, Mr. Holmes is a t.errestial anim. I, and it certainly would be quite as well, if he confined his attention to Ware houses less connected with water; but in his observations he talks' of the Liverpool docks as if ships were not moveable. Now, upon apy dock that we are proposing to build w4re. houses, they are always moveable, and long before any fire could get a head, you would have them on the opposite side of the dock, or may be, many of them removed out long be fore any fire could happen. You observe, that whatever would blow the flame upon the dock, would also be exactly the lever for removieg, the shipping away. But, sir, I maintain that the safest property in the world, under the action of fire, is a ship; she is afloat, and every thing around her is water. '1 here is nothing, except what can alight upon her, can do her any harm. Now, sir, Ido maintain, that upon the deck of a ship no one ever knew of their, being burnt while people were upon - . the deck. if you put fire upon the external pait, it is quite easily removed ; a man wit h a bucket of water and a ti;et mop, I will answer for it, would keep any ship in the world clear of all the fire that could possibly fall. Now, sir, with regard to the rigging and the masts • supposing, after all, they did take fire, they burn to the deck and drop overboard. - I say one man is capable of protecting the whole; but it is not one man, but half a score to protect the decks. It is monstrous; and there is no instance in the world where you have a dock full of ships ever burnt. Why are we to suppose ? If it happens that even one was burnt, if it happens another is to be burnt, where we all know 7 there will be a 'physical power of men—not of tire engine, a hundred of which, or a thousand, applied to a warehouse, are- not so good as a single man o❑ the deck of a ship with a wet mop. A bucket and a wet mop would be absolute amusement and nothing else toput it out.--(A laugh.) Now, sir, Mr. Holme has exhibited a great anxiety—a won derful anxiety for these ships. 1 have always been a ship owner myself, and I ought to like all this kind of thing; but, really, the interest is so excessive, that there is a re-action in my mind that there is something suspicious—wanting to hug me to death under the pretence of loving my bantling. —( A laugh.) Now, sir, Mr. Holme has exposed himself to having his name introduced; however, I would hope neither he nor any one else would suppose I mean him any disrepect ; but he has put his name to the letter, acd has possi►ively challenged this. Now lam old enough to remember the Goree fire; was there from the very beginning of it. It happened was an apprentice of Meek and Lowndes, who had at that time a large interest in the real room where it took fire; and as I have always understood, it was a man who was packing porter and using a pipe, over straw, that caused the fire, which could never happen but in private warehouses. And there was he; I will venture to say a weekly hire of 2s. would allow men to have their pipes if the line of warehouses was a league in length. You observe there is all the differ ence between the great system of management and the ma nagement of private affairs. But you observe, when the tire broke out, the flame, although the wind was the other way, flared over upon the doors and windows and capstans at the other side. Would it not be better for Mr. Holmes to lay down the principle that rules that warehouses should not be built opposite to each other? I would be glad to know at what period the George's Dock was ever crowded with wealth —whether in the form of ships—when had it anything like the wealth of the Goree at that time?—all valuable articles, nearly all Baltic hemp, and flax and tallow. Now, if it is expedient to run the risk of burning warehouses opposite each other, which have never been known yet to escape—if it is expedient and right to do that, with bodies like ware houses, which are immoveable—which you can do nothing to —if they happen to catch it is all over; to use_your engines up at windows is of no avail, for God knows they do oo good —I never saw them ;—if it be right to have them there, what harm is there in having ships near, where no engine is re quired, but the instant application of a wet mop and a bucket of water? is it not far less risk, too, where the warehouses are on the Dock? Now, Sir, what would be the arguments if we had not the example of the London warehouses? But, Sir, I do hold out their example of never having had a fire should he decisive as to the security against it ; and then, the circumstance of the insurance becng - ls. Gd. Ido maintain, when I look rouna on all you mercantile gentlemen, I de mand the position of it is proved. Money is neither Whig nor Tory; we all know that in every thing we have the greatest competition ; but all the competition has never lowered the insurance of Liverpool to anything like London. Now I do demand the admission of that position from every mercantile mind in the community. It is proved. I shall just say one word more, that Mr. Holmes has- had here the exceedingly bad fortune to leave the general and go into a specific case—the Dublin warehouses. They for a vast number of years were conducted by the Crown. The confi dence in them was of that nature, that merchants—notwith standing that there was a great deal- of wood in their con struction—left off insuring from fire. There were some economists who urged the Government to letting them. If they had let them to a large company, who of necessity would be governed by principle, and who would have laws and a permanent system to adopt, who knows but that, most likely, the warehouses would have been secure at this present. day ? No, Sir, Government let them to two brothers, I be lieve, and not long afterwards they were burned, and a very large' mass of prO • perty. Well, there was a case made out against the National Government; and what between a con siderable show of influence, and a little of that kind of wor rying, that individual interest, which is never weary of prac tising upon public men, the Government actually became responsible for all this immense wealth. The loss of the public warehouses went for nothing; there was one West India house, I believe, made a claim for £25,000. And on what grounds was the claim made? That the Government let the warehouses; the consequence was, a different mode of working them out was adopted in the room of the one which existed before; there was all that private management which we all of us know involves great risk; goods were rolled in and out where there was any space; the bonded were mixed with the free; porters were let in and out with out the surveillance of the regular officers, which you know governments or companies always have; and the consequence was, that that altered mode of working the warehouses was unquestionably the cause of the fire. Not*, Sir, here is that very argument against our relying upon private warehouses which has been brought forward to support it. I shall not trouble you any longer. (Mr. Evans sat down amidst con siderable applause.) Mr. Councillor CURRIE rose to address the Council. The MAyon.—Does any gentleman second Alderman 'Evans's motion ? Mr. Councillor WA LMSLEY.—I have pleasure in seconding it. Mr. Councillor CuuatE.—ln rising to present myself to the notice of the council, I need not say that I do so with can siderable hesitation, as the subject under discussion is one of as great importance as ever occupied our attention; and which I feel involYes such a variety of interests, both private and public, that the'ditliculties of the discussion. are greatly enhanced. With all the desire that 1 have to come forward to the discussion of the question with my mind totally calm, so as to address my opinions so that they may give force to what I intend to -convey, I do find that there is very great difficulty indeed. The subject is one of pre-eminent import ance, and I venture to -say an importance not exceeded by any measure affecting our interests which has been brought before us. Tha question that comes before us in our two-told capacity; first of all as trustees of the Docks, to confirm or annul the proceedings of the Dock committee as we should do those of any other committee, that is to say by the ma jority; and next, as we are called upon as members of the town-council, to consider the question in all its bearings with a view to its success or rejection; in as much as we must never lose sight of the question, that if it should be lost the expense will not be paid out of the funds of the docks, but out of the funds of this council. The council will have to bear the expense if we lose the application to parliament; that is a principle for the council to bear in mind. Without going more into the subject than this, I cannot help regret ting, after having read, and after having had put into our hands the heads of the bill, that it has so many bearings, and has so many important objects. I cannot help regretting that that bill should not have been confined to one in which the town at large might be unanimous, so as to ensure the passing of the bill. And. without expressing an opinion at this moment on the question of the warehouses or otherwise, I cannot help regretting that it would have been more judi cious to have brought forward a bill for the other important objects we have heard this day read, in order, as I said, that that bill might have had a clause of passing triumphantly through parliament. Such, however, has nut been the deci sion of the gentlemen of the dock committee—a committee composed of gentlemen who are deeply interested in the trade, and whose opinions are entitled to the greatest respect. I would fain impose on your minds this view of the subject. We have had the heads of bills that would be the subjects of anxious and deep discussion, and thought, and pains taken by the several members of the committee. To them, whose minds have been devoted to the subject for weeks and months —to them all appears clear; the benefit appears so obvious that they must be right in the views they have taken; and they may perhaps think it a most extraordinary thing that other members of the council do not view the question as they do. Now, if after many weeks and months spent on their part in careful thought, is it not too much to call on those who have not thought on it, in two days, to give an opi nion on the subject? (Hear.) I do say, that the seine de liberation and attention that they have given to it, we have a right to claim and are bound in our corporate capacity to exercise. Wihat I would therefore propose is this—far from wishing that it should be thought abroad that this town council will view this question as one in which the warehouse proprietors alone are concerned, and that it is to be taken up with such important interests,— I would, on this occasion, have the members of the council to shoe , that they are anxious to watch over all the town ; not only the interests of the warehouse proprietors, but the interests of the town. If that be the case, am I. asking too much in requesting you to show that there is no rooted pre judice in our minds, so as at the very outset of this question to nip it in the bud; ant I asking too much, to demand time to deliberate and discuss this question in all its important bearings. But ant I wrong, I ask them as candid men, as fair men, in suffering this measure now to proceed, when I say that we pledge ourselves in no degree—that no individual is committed to vote fur the bill afterwards. I think by so acting, that you would show to the Dock Committee, that you do what you can to arrive at a just appreciation of the merits of the measure; and after a full discussion of the subject, it is found to be advantageous then to determine that the bill should go on. 'I call on you to do this. In sanctioning a notice being given to parliament of the bill, you are by no means committed, to the principle. The Town-clerk will tell you, that notices are given, in order that opportunities may not be lost ; but it does not follow but that notices very frequently are reduced to one half of their original amount. Therefore, by doing this, if hereafter it should, in the deliberation of the council, appear that the questions on which my friend Mr. Evans has so ably touched, and which are deserving the gravest con sideration if hereafter it 'appears, when your minds are stored with that information which you don't now possess, that it is desirable that the measure should go forwards, we shall have the satisfaction of showing to the public, that we don't advocate it on light grounds. , (Hear.) If on the con trary, it hereafter should appear that the arguments against the measure prevail, we shall show by voting against it, that we have come to this decision, not by private, or interested motives, but because it is acting the best for the town. This is a most difficult question; I do not think we ought hastily to arrest this measure in its progress: let us show that we are prepared to give it the gravest consideration. It is not the interest of a particular set of men, but of the whole town; and let us consider it as such. Bear in mind, by the propo sition that I am about to make, no member of the council stands committed, but he gives an opportunity for further consideration ; and by such consideration, if hereafter it should be thought right, to act according to the proposition, if not, we shall be able to give a reason why we oppose it. I have not spoken to any one, and I don't know whether my motion will be seconded, but I would fain persuade myself that it will be adopted, and that those gentlemen who are opposed to the introduction of warehouses would consider it fair to give sanction to this proposition. This proposition asks for nothing but delay and consideration, and commits no man one way or the other. "That the praceedings'and reports of the Dock Committee be not at present confirmed , but that they be referred to, [here Mr. Currie said they might either be referred to the Finance, or to a Special Committee] to enquire concerning, consider of, and at a meeting, by special adjournment from the next quarterly Council, to report upon all matters brought before the Council by the Dock Committee, in relation to the proposed measures in Parliament, and that it be a parti cular instruction to the committee to report upon the follow ing points :—Whether it is desirable or not that there should be warehouses on the dock quays ?—lf it,be, whether such warehouses ov,ht to be built upon the margin of the dock, or with quay room between the warehouse and the dock; with the ground fluor part of the warehouses, or as public quay, or on what other plan, and on - the number of stories to which such warehouses ought to be limited?--On increased or de creased danger to the town, shipping, and property from fire: —Whether the use of these warehouses, if erected, ought to be compulsory on vessels in the dock, or such vessels might be at liberty to use any of them, or any other warehouses in th e town?—Whether such warehouses must be public pro perty. or, subject to reasonable regulations and restrictions, might be private property public, whether the property of the Corporation of the Docks, or the Corporation of the Borough ? t whether a b so l ute pr i vate pi °peril - , or inthehatd—slfprivate, of lessees, with the reversion belonging to one, and which of the Corporations ? and on the advantages and disadvantages likely to arise from the proposed measures to commerce and the general interests of the town ? and that . the refere4ce comprise both the proposed new dock near the Salthouse Dock, and the Prince's Dock. 'Fh‘t it be referred to the Dock Committee to make any report. at the same spe cial Council, as they may deem expedient for the further in formation of the Council, and that, in the meantime, the Dock Committee be authorized to give such notice of a bill, or bills, as they may deem advisable, so far as to secure the ensuing session . , it being understoodthat until further consi- deration, the Council do not thbreby stand pledged to any ulterior measures, and that the further consideration of the proceedings and reports of the Duck and Finance Commit tees stand adjourned to the Council to be specially appointed by adjournment from the next quarterly Council." With regard to the question of fire; this is a matter of grave consideration. The moment the fire took place the other day, several said, " here is an end of the warehouses." Whereas my friend Mr. Evans, with great ingenuity, has shown that warehouses built in this way might put an end to fires. Let all the evidence be got on the subject, which will bear out our minds and satisfy 'us. I think, gentlemen, I have said enough to satisfy your minds that this-is but rea sonable. I wish you to bear this in mind, that in sanctioning this bill for promoting measures that may produce its rejec tirp, we run the risk of saddling ourselves with the expense. The warehouse owners cannot say that they are defeated; far from it. I express no opinion on the subject myself; my mind is not made up; I pronounce no opinion Upon it. On the other hand, the members of the dock . committee, who have so ably brought before us this measure, will feel that we only as:: for the same information on it as they themselves have, and on which they have made up their minds. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—Who pays the expenses? Mr. Councillor CURRIE:—If the bill is successful they are borne out by the funds of the docks by a clause on the bill itself; - if not, they are borne out by the borough funds. There is no doubt of that whatever. Mr. Alderman EVANS.-1 don't understand that. The TORN-CLER K.-1f the bill passes there will be a pro vision that the expense does not fall on the borough funds ; but if the bill does not pass, the expense will fall on the pro moters; the promoters can only be the town council, acting in their judgment fur the benefit of the borough. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—Cannot the bill provide against that? The TOWN-CLERIC.—If the bill passes; but if the bill does not pass, there is no authority given. Mr. Councillor DAVID HODGSON.—Can the Town-clerk give us any idea what the expense will be ? The TowN-CLERK.—It is impossible.—l should say £7OO, and more arising ou an opposition. Mr. Alderman BitowN.—l rise to second the motion. Mr. Aldermon BOOTH, who had before risen, again rose. 'rho MAvon.—Mr. Booth rose before. It was arranged that Mr. Brown should proceed for the purpose of seconding the amendment. Mr. Alderman BROWN said his object was postponement. As his friends Jr. Evans and Mr. Currie were nervous, he could not say but that he was so when addressing public meetings, and he had therefore prepared himself with pretty copious notes. Mr. Brown then proceeded to read a speech of considerable length; but as we make a point of never taking notes of written and read speeches, .which, if worth anything, are generally, 'as a matter of courtesy, handed to the reporters, we are only able to give the gist of it. He was an advocate for the land near the docks being - open to private purchasers to build warehouSes upon • but was opposed to the dock committee building them. He denied that the building of warehouses on the docks would give increased despatch. The principal objection to warehOuses on the verge of the docks was the risk of fire, which he contended would be very great, and instanced the warehouse built on the verge of the New York docks, recently destroyed by fire, as an example of the danger, they having fallen "like chaff before the wind." And where would our ships have been at the recent fire if the warehouses had been on the margin of the docks? There were two or three ships set on fire as it was. He was an enemy to all monopolies. He thought individual ware house owners would do their work better and cheaper than monopolists; he detested monopolies; he had been against them all his life. He thought the present mode of dock ac commodation was not proper; he did not like the mode of charging by tonnage; the charging ought to be according to _ the room -occupied: The MAv ort.—That is not the question before us. He would have regulations adopted so as to ensure despatch. He would have the landing-waiters paid a fixed salary, and so much for the work they performed. He would also have one gang of porters to do the work of each ship. If they got these matters arranged he did not fear the competition of any port on earth. Ile was sure it would give them all the ad vantage they wished. Speaking of fire, they had had two or three ships on fire in the docks, and it had been found neces sary for the general safety to scuttle them. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—But did not the fires originate in the holds ? Mr. Alderman Baowrs.—Yes, they did. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—Aye, there it is. Mr. Alderman BROWN concluded with seconding the amendment of Mr. Currie. Mr. Alderman BOOTH:LI was a good deal surprised to hear frotn Mr. Currie that he thought this question had not been sufficiently discussed, after the discussion in the finance committee-room, the dock cominittte-room, and in the pub lic press. Mr. Councillor CunEttE.—The bill was not discussed. Air. Alderman BooTti.—Then;in part was. I, tbeiefore, do think it my duty to oppose his motion. - l have no objec tions to offer—indeed, I believe that that baste was fully justified by circumstances; and for my own part in.theex pediency of what is rec o mm en d e d, I fully concur. I object only to that part of the proceedings which would authorise the dock trustees to build warehouses On the dock quays,.or to rent land for that purpose. The.plan before us is not the same as before, but is similar in principle, and that did re ceive the sanction of a small majority. We have now the heads of the bill before us; I apprehend it will be in order to discuss the several interests. I wish to know if it is in order. The M AYOll. Yes, it will be in order if you are going to conclude with a motion. You are aware there is a mutton and an amendment. if you mean to conclude with an amendment, we should, first of all, get rid of one amend ment, before another is proposed. • . Mr. Councillor CHAItLES LAWRENCE.—AIIow me to ask a question in .point of order. We can make no amendment in the duck proceedings. I apprehend they must be con- . firmed or not. We may object to any part of them, or the whole of them; we cannot make amendments; as e can origi-- nate nothing, but must send back to the duck committte. The TowN-cts.rek.—l apprehend Mr. Lawrence is under this mistake„ that we are now under the dock proceedings under the act of parliament. This is a new subject entirely; it is tube treated in the same way as the report of any com mittee in this council. Therefore it is in the power of any member to move any amendment that he may think proper, on the original motion, to confirm the proceedings. Mr. Alderman Boo' it.—The time is so recent when this matter was discussed here, when I had an opportunity of ex pressing my opinions, that not to occupy your time, any opi nions are the same now as then; and if I naught the re fusal of that measure would endanger in any degree the . prosperity of Liverpool, I should be the last to oppose it. My hopes or wishes for the prosperity of Liverpool are as great as any man's. I will not yield even to my friend Mr. Evans, who has eloquently prognosticated its prosperity. He has based this prosperity on the surrounding of our docks with warehouses. I expect this prosperity with•est that. It is my wish that that welfare should go on unaccom panied with aserious injury to a large property in this town, by the carrying into effect this proposed scheme. That this would not be, the effect is only called in question by those who have no property-in the town, and is almost universally admitted by those who have. The large warehouse • pro perty is clearly adequate for the business of the port. This was evidenced last summer , when with an extraor di nary glut of corn and cotton, noinconvenience was felt. The in cre make asi thisng use porto of steam ssan dpowerless a portmus t ( , ) f i rnY opinion, tend to If I am right deposit. in this conjecture, the injury of this scheme on warehouses would be great in the extreme. As to the d espat Ch of vesse l s,. I think a great deal might be done in that b e h a lf , b y the use of cranes and i i nproseit.customs' regulation s , an d by various % I s s ..a a s; eh s o w u e se ne s e y d ste n m ot go iu L i i n v t e o rp l o worl e might offer n o insuperable; and, I thi n k t h e present objection to the using of warrants as they are used in Lon don. I must allnde to a very important point,- that is fire; no care can guarantee us against that calamity; and if a • fire was to occur it would not be confined to two'or three warehouses; and the injury done to ships must be incalcu lable. As to what Mr. Evans has said, they could easily be removed. I should like to ask, suppose the Prince's dock full of vessels at low water, you could not get any of them out ; and even if it took place at high water, if the wind were high, you could move very few of them. As to the difficulty of their getting fire, I cannot understand it, as they have masts and yards of inflammable materials, and covered with pitch; they would soon be one mass of flame. Holding these opinions, I shall move a further amendment--" That the building of warehouses cannot be sanctioned at present en the Dock-quays; and that the proceedings of the 'com mittee be confirmed with that exception." Mr. Ald. Hour.—l should wish to say one word on the subject of the fires. The erection of these warehouses which the council had agreed to, would be built, as I understand, entirely fire-proof, that is, totally of uninflammable materials : iron, stone, bricks, slates and so on, and no inflammable matter whatever. Then with regard to the goods to be brougat there, it is possible to render them as entirely proof against accident, independent of the strict rules to be en forced as to porters. suppose, for instance, that a large main was cut from the canal basin on the west side of toe Prince's Dock, and 50 or 100 bundles in these warehouses, and by the turning of a cock you float the who'e. It appears to me that the entertainment of fear of five is totally un founded, if we avail ourselves of our natural advantages—if a large body of water were at Everton at all times available for putting out fires without forcing the water. It is for want of a constant supply of water that our insurances are so high. This may be obviated if our municipal authorities would unite for the attainment of the object. - I hear. none of the speakers say that these, warehouses so erected would render other warehouses less useful r on the contrary, they seem to oppose them, because they would have a preference. (Hear, hear.) Is that a reason, but for their adoption ? If the arguments against the erection of these warehouses were based on the broad ground of -deteriorating the part, or ren dering it less. convenient, it would be intelligible. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor EititLE. , —Am I in order to second Mr. Booth's motion ? The MAYOI:.—If you merely second it. - The council has heard Mr. Currie's aMendment, which is, in fact, to postpone the motion; has any gentleman any further remark to make? Mr. Alderman Lisarrnost.—Sir, I beg to remark that I am surprised to find that any allusion is made to postponing the question ; we have considered that the vote of the council on that subject was final and conclusive, and that we are not to have that questiou considered again which cost us so much time. The proposition of Mr. Currie is, that it be consi (feted ; and also, that of Mr. Booth. On the part of the gentlemen near me (Mr. Evans, Mr. Berm, &e.) we cannot consent to any postponement of that proposition which has already been considered upon. We made a sepa rate bill of it for the purpose in the full faith and confidence that a vote of this council once -passed is not to be again discussed, and prob a bl y annu ll e d b y suc h di scuss i on . I s h a ll , therefore, object t o any motion which has for its object any postponement. But we should have no objection to con "'I" ' I I" the bill is to go forwards as respects the docks; although the thing has been so very Jong before the .aassn last, that I think we ought to come to some conclusion. Mr. Councillor JOHN HOLME.—That is very extraordinary language, Mr. Mayor, that they "will not consent." ( Hear, hear.) The council can consider any question put before theta. The TowN-Csanx.—l apprehend that there can be no question at all in the power of the council to re-consider a motion. Mr. Alderman BENN.—No doubt about it, it can be re• considered again ; lek we are not to disturb the decision as to the warehouses in Prince's Dock. The TowN-CLEttis.-1-am not making any argument as to inconsistency. It is perfectly clear that the council have the pow 'r to re-consider any proposition, even of their own; as the Dock Committee did re-Conider the question of an ob servatory. Besides bringing the question of warehouses on Prince's Dock again before the council, they have a right to call for not iceao be given. _Mr. . Abletman .ilrisness--'rhensthasDock -Committee- witi have no objection to deferring it if notice is to be given. Mr. Councillor HUGH 14011NBY.—Alt hough I cannot agree that the question has not been sufficiently agitated, vet still, when we consider the great interest of those parties eh Shold warehouses, I think it would only be a courteous matter in us to postpone the question. For my own part, my mind is made up on the subject. I think the advantages to be de rived would far ootwetgh the disadvantages to some. (Hear, hear.) There is no improvement can be introduced which will not in 3M - tie measure hurt individuals. But it is our in terest to look at what will promote the general interest of the town. We come here not to look after our own interests. but the interests of the town. I was very much surprised to hear that those who do not possess•warehousea are not proper petsuns to consider . this subject. - I am a holder of ware houses, and if I had held them near the docks, I slicaild have had great diffidence in voting, from re fear of giving a bi assed opinion. But though I hold considerable , warehouse property; I am.stiil so convinced that it will be for the , benefit of the 'Dock Estate, as well as of the town of Liverpool, that my mind is made up; at the same, it would be as well to defer the consideration of this measure. With regard to the subject of - fire, I think the very simple fact mentioned by Mr. Evans, that the insurance against fire in the docks of London, where this system is followed, is only is. 6d. Mr. Councillor Cunt:lE.—Three shillings. Mr. Alderman EVANS—It's only is. 6d. Mr. Councillor H. HORNBY.—lidoes not signify. Where, as we all know, here it is from 10s. to 12s. That is a conclu sive proof that the danger is very much less. It has been stated by Mr. Brown, that a fire did arise in the St. Kathe rine's Docks. But what was the consequence? The arrange ments there under a public body, were such as vet y soon put it out. It is very true, as Mr. Booth states, that no care can prevent fire; but there are circumstances which much lessen the danger, lam quite satisfied that water could be made available, and that the danger of fire, from which we have all suffered so immensely, would be greatly decreased. I therefore, advocate Mr. Currie's amendment. Mr. Councillor EARLE. —I think it is courteous, certainly, to the warehouse proprietors to discuss these points; but I wonder why they were not discussed at the onset of the busi ness. All these questions ought to have been discussed at the very first, without consulting the warehouse proprietors at all. The dock committee must know, that thus having warehouses would, or they would fancy it would, do them injury. It would be much better to have had a conference. Instead of that, there is a great interest raised, and we shall go to work as we did in the dock committee and corporation, and we shall spend a great deal of money, and the corpora tion will have the satisfaction - of paying all the costs.' Many out of Liverpool will seek to introduce clauses into this bill, and they will come forward with these clauses. They will say " Liverpool is by the ears," and they will not unite with us without introducing clauses injurious to the port of Liver pool. Therefore, as to the bill lam perfectly indifferent. I will pay my quota, and I don't care a straw about it. (A laugh.) • Mr. Councillor DAVID HODGSON.—\Ve are all agreed as to promoting the interests of the town, but the question is as to the mode, and it appears to me, that we are departing froin the principle to be settled, before we occupy ourselves with the details, in connection with the project to be carried on by the dock estate, or any other public body. It appears to me, that we are departing from the principle which we have acted on in private, as merchants. It has been upheld that it was much more likely-to promote the interests of any concern to lease it to be managed by individuals, when the • capital and power of the individual was sufficient for the object sodght to be obtained. Now, it appears to rue, that on the present occasion, we all have taken it for granted, that warehouses were wanted; I don't say they are not wanted. We all seem to have got the impression, that warehouses around the docks are best, I don't say they are net the best. But it is very easy for a man to call out fur what costs him nothing, " give me this, and the other." And I say unless we know perfectly the ground on which we are proceeding. we are in the danger of injuring the property of warehouse proprietors to an extent of which we are not at all aware. and none of, us can contemplate. lam not prepared to show that' warehouses around the docks would not be the best ; but there are objections to them, and I think the subject is not sufficiently before. the town. The town is rather taken by surprise with regard to selling them or re building them in a particular way ; but the great principle is, what is the necessity for the dock committee building these warehouses at all? The best test of these warehouses being really wanted is to offer them to private capital ; if they are wanted, let the value of the land be given; not at £2 lOs a yard, but the real value of the land. and that will be given if it be open to competition; and that price,being given for the land will impose on those who build them a rent that will keep them in their juxta-position. If the dock trustees can sell land that will be very advantageous, I canna see why the (lock trustees should lay down rules which shall govern the warehouses of private individuals. They may say, "We will sell land in large plots to companies, to be subscribed for in the same way as railroads ; and then—what is ex ceedingly important—unite the care of private interests in the management, and all those advantages that have been stated are likely to occur, with regard to the extra care with regard to fire. Look at the.railway here: who can get in but those authorised by the company? They wiil admit nobody there but those appointed to go there; and the order and regularity they obta . ;n is impos - ed by the necessity on them of accommodat►ng the public. And therefore, if it be expedient for the docks to sell the ground for such pur pose, so the warehouses should be managed. I have not at all doubted that the gentlemen of the Dock Committee could manage affairs as well as any men, but they want the prin ciple of management; they have no personal interest. And if warehouses are built around the docks as proposed,. the sound principle would be to call on the dock, trust to lay down a plan on which the warehouses shall be conducted; to lay out 'portions of land, and to let that land he sold in lots, the whole being under regulations strictly laid down, but to be under the management of persons appointed by thoSe who had the interest ; and I can see no more difficulty in that than in managing any other large concern; and there is an exuberance of capital in Liverpool—capital seek ing employment. And if these warehouses will pay so well, it cannot for a moment be doubted that any number of Ware houses that can be wanted for the town will be provided by private capital as soon as ever the arrangements are made that are said to be so advantageous. I therefore cannot see any propriety in becoming the Managers of warehouse property at all; I believe private individuals will ►na nage as well as public bodies can manage ; but we all agree that they can never manage successfully in competition with private individuals. . I think, there fore, we ought not by any means to sanction the inea. sure; and when Mr. Currie began his observations T was in great hopes I should have bee❑ able to have concluded wit►► him. I think the dock committee should not attempt to carry this measure. till thei subject has been more dis cussed. 1 cannot but think it is asiugular position in which Mr. Currie would call on the council to sanction measures with.the declaration that they will not carry out those mea sures, or are nut pledged to thorn. if it were a case of life and death, why, necessity has ❑o law, and there would be no getting over it. .It does not appear to me why we should not put it off to .another session, and have time to discuss it : because it cannot be concealed, if you get a majority—if it be,a majority.sttcli : as on a former occasion, is it not clear that it will be carried to parliament with a very great. oppo sition? 1 say it is clear to me that they will be beaten. But whether or not, is it well with so small a majority to insist on getting before parliament with whatever chances they may have of success? I say we have no chance at all but the certainty of embroiling us with a great many persons who have large properties, and who consider they will be injured by the measure. I believe we have a law that when the dock committee or any body here is acting under an act of parliament, that it is considered so much the sanction of the law of the land, that you cannot-get over the authority of that, without two-thirds of the council. Now it appears to toe that that would be one of those cases which ought to be made to apply; becatise, where we are going to disturb pro- - petty which has been held under the assurance of an act of parliament, I think it would be but fair to the public inte restel, if the gentlemen felt that with that small majority • they ought by no means to act; 'they ought really to feel that two thirds ought to be with them. I merely suggest thi , , but I think nothing will be lost by waiting for another session ; and, in the meantime, I think other measures of great importance to ,the port might be brought for ward. 'There is the case of the landing waiters, and dock occupation. There never has appeared to me, with regarl to. dock occupation, any *sufficient reason why Clock-room should not be charged according to the ac commodation. Great complaint has been made that vessels taking in cargoes very needlessly occupy space. So let it be, but let that occupation be paid for accordingly. You cannot go to a hotel and take as much loom as you please and only pay for a month as much as you pay for a clay; nor can any one go to a hotel and expect to be accommodated on the same principle as he would at a common public-house. Now it appears to me that vessels drawing a small draft of water and a large draft are just paying the same. It appears to me that if the dock quay was on principle established that every quay berth have its price —I don't mean the same price; I would have the docks have different prices according to the,accommodation they afford—and that they were paid, not by the vessel for being there but at a daily price, that you would find in 'a very short time that you would gain such accommodation as von never had; and in furtherance of this, that it might be tried to rent the docks. Mr.AldermarcßoairssoN.—l .beg leave to rise to order; it is a very long story: Mr. Councillor DAVID HODGSON.—I will bow to the chair; on the question of dock accommodation I do not think I am out of order;' am I right. The M on.—l don't wish to interfere. We are going a little out of the record; but anythin g on dock accommodation is hearing on the question undoubtedly. - • . Mr. Councillor DAVID Honcsota continued.—l don't see why the landing-waiters should be limited as to time ;. 1 don't see why they should not work from sunrise to sunset; and I don't see why the whole trade should become decrepid for fear they should run away. And the landing-waiters would certainly he ready to work so if paid according to what they pet form ;, and I think these two things would very greatly facilitate the•wholeproceeding.—(hear, from Mr. Evans)— without.the building of warehouses. And the want of ware houSes will,he tested if any .offer is made of the sites and no body will tiny them, and if they are purchased then nobody is injured. On these grounds I must vote against the amend ment as proposed. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN —I should be glad if I could succeedin,recalling the attention of the council to the ques tion- really before them. (Hear, hear.) He thought no map could have watched the course of the proceedings without Yielding: to the, suggestion of the chairman o f the Finance Uommittee. He thought that the very circumstance of the great differencenf opinion which prevailed evinced a want of information, and showed that a further inquiry should be in stituted before they came to a decision. Besides, there were several clauses in the abstract of the bill which he had—he did not know how they might be affected by other provisions in the bill itself = which were extremely vague. He : would • - point to one. 'The first clause confers upon the dock trust to let or demise the lands :o private individuals for the purpose of building upon, while the second conferred upon them the • power to'boilcf themselves, and there was no one, as far as he • could find, to decide which of the courses was to be taken. He was for.havirig the whole matter referred to a special cominittei reihirt thereon ; they would then have some thing spetific and precise on which to decide ; and they would then be in a cendition to go to parliarieent just for as much as they desired, and no more. (Hear.) He should give his vote in favour of the amendment. Mr. Councillor BIBBY (who spoke in so low a tone of voice that we could only hear a part of what he said).—l take leave to Make a few observations. I should not have occasion to make any remarks on it but there are some observations connected with the warehousing system, not alluded to. I believe that it is agreed on all hands that the Dock Estate is the source of our wealth. As to the next question, as to warehouses are they wanted or not, it is quite clear to me that the warehouses are wanted, and the nearer the docks the better; that is the general principle. As to the insuf ficiency of the warehouses for the present, or not, it is not for me to say, • As to the last year, there was a superabun d ince of warehouse room ; but I believe it arose from the existing state of excitement, owing to which. many dared not risk their property to this coentry. Thinking as I do, that warehouses would • be a benefit to the town, and no in jury to the warehouse proprietors themselves, provided there was no adVantage given to these intended warehouses that was not given to any private warehouse in the town. As such, if they were to get the present dock built, as now framed, with exclusive privileges and laws, I as a ship owner would give any money, or any price to have my ships dis charged quickly ; for why? because I should not have to send my clerk' running for a week or a fortnight. And as such, 1 should certainly advocate the principle if it is ex tended to all private warehouses, and ail warehouses that are built. As to the land, I think it ought to be sold to the warehouse 'proprietors, that they might have an opportunity of investing their money. It is very well for the dock trus tees to have the management. As to lire, I have no appre hension about it. There has been fire used at the Duke's dock ever since it was a dock, and at other docks, and I have never seen any accident, nor do - riffifiehend any. If these warehouses were classified, putting into some, things that were not combustible, and into others, things that were, there would he no difficulties. I would have no exclusive privileges extended to them. • Mr. Councillor WA LMESLEY.—It must he very pleasing to the council to have practical opinions so clearly delivered as those of Mr.-Bibby. He is a gentleman so long acquainted with the practical part of ships and warehouses of his own that his opinion must have great weight with each of us. Since this question was last before the council, as a member of the.dock committee, I bare given to its consideration all in my power,' and as a member of the sub-committee to certain the best means of giving increased facility in dis charging vessels, I have had opportunity of viewing the question in all its bearings; and I unhesitatingly declare that the-more I have dwelt upollit, the more am I couvineed of the utter worthlessness of every other project compared with that of building warehouses oa the verge of the dock quays. Whether such warehouses shall be built by the dock trustees or by individuals is a very different question. As one opposed to every thing like monopoly 1 should be dis posed to think it should be given to the public; but this is a subject worthy of the deep consideration of the council. But that warehouses should be built appears to me to be beyond dispute. That land, that now is almost lying waste, and which, if properly employed, would nearly double the present dock accommodation, should be permitted to lie in its present state merely because certain influential indi _vidnals hold property in less eligible situations, or be cause certain less influential individuals have got a man in the corporation, is a proposition to me so mon strous that I cannot think how any man could be brought to accede to it. With reference to the: general interests of the country or of this locality, it is equally certain that the greatest facility should be given to commerce, that the rates and charges should be- at the lowest scale; that there should be the greatest interchange between the grower and consumer. Something has been said about political econ omy. The political economists will take this view of the question; they wilt not ask of these proprietors to be con sulted, but what will most conduce to public good. In a local point of view, the longer the question is delayed the more difficult it will become. New interests are continually springing up amongst us. Within the last three years the rates upon the assessment of warehouSes has been increased at the rate of £12,000 per annum, giving 60 new warehouses per annum, at the rate of £2OO per annum each. What I would ask, are the warehouses that are now named, or are now about to be proposed for dock accommodation, compared with this fact ? The particulars I have just now taken out of the rate. In 1835, the increase was £12,231 ; in 1836, £11,636; in 1837, £12,397, leaving an increase of £36,300 upon new warehouses, or about £12,000 per annum. Now, Mr. Mayor, I think the opponents of the measure would do very welt to consider whether the interest of their own pro perty—the benefit of these pet warehouses, would not be best promoted by giving increased facility to the commerce of the port ; and it would be also for them to bear in mind that new docks are already springing up at our feet; that is, that we have already a dock at the south end of the town. They should bear also, in mind, that new interests may spring up on both sides of the Mersey, for we cannot prevent this; and the only means to prevent this competition is to give the greatest facility to docks that we at present possess. Mr. Mayor, so much has been said, and so many arguments have been adduced in favour of this measure, that my mind is com pletely made up on this question. I think there is not the slightest necessity for further delay ; but should that be the wish of the council, that there should be further delay, for one 1 will withdraw the motion Mr. Evans has made, and which I have seconded. I trust that the council will consider this in its proper light: it is private interest against pub lic good; neither more nor • less (hear) ; and I trust the opponents of a liberal town council will never have it in their power to say, that either from fear of outward clamour, or for private interest, they were induced for one moment to swerve front that which I conceive in this question they ow!' to the welfare of the country. (Hear.) Much has been .said on the question of fire. Now, as chairman of the watch committee, I would just think it due to this council and to the fire police to state, that had there been water in Roberts street, where this great fire took place, the damage from the fire would not have exceeded a thousand pounds. We took three loads of water to that place—another would have put out the fire. How would this be with warehouses on the verge of the docks, where we have plenty of water? And I must also extenuate the fire police as to any blame for the want of water; because public notice and private notice. had been given to the insurance offices that we would not be answerable for any fire unless they laid mains to thatquarter. I think this is due to the public, from whom we levy £12,000 a-year in support. lam satisfied that it is for the interest of the public that warehouses should be built on the verge of the dock-quays, and would say I would bring it to the issue this day, and let gentlemen vote according to their con sciences: (Hear.) Mr. Councillor BIRCH.-1 have listened with the greatest attention—with the utmost desire for information, to all the arguments advanced, both in and out of the council, on this important question ; and I declare, I am quite unable to dis cover anything which calls for or can justify this adoption of a question involving consequences so extremely momentous, and perhaps ultimately involving the injury of thousands. Mr. Mayor, I think, judging from what I have heard, that it has been satisfactorily proved, that there is really no neces sity for these warehouses; that no advantage whatever can result from them commensurate with their attendant incon veniences, and certainly nothing that can compensate for the immense destruction of property already invested in ware houses—that property which is called private, because it be longs to individuals, but which from its great extent ought rather, I think, to be regarded as one of the most leading public interests in thetown. (Hear.) That property, allow tire to say, in its aggregate amount, far exceeding the value of the shipping, equal, if not exceeding the value of the rail ways connected with the town, and I will even go so far asto say, surpassing the property of the whole of the banking companies. Mr. Mayor, I am quite ready to admit, and it cannot be denied, that London possesses an advantage over Liverpool in respect to quickness; but those who think that these advantages can be overcome by the erection of large warehouses—of public waaehouses, are proceeding on a very erroneous conception. I have heard every thing that has been said on the subject of the fire, and giving my friend Mr. Evans gieat credit for the talent e always displays, I am quite unable to concur with him. I think it will he found in nine cases out of ten, that the risk of fire will be found in exact -ratio to the extent of the build ings where it is. We will take the fire of last week. The goods on the south side of Roberts-street were in six warehouses; three were destroyed, and then the police. succeeded in putting down the fire; but if that was in one large and extensive building, 1 ant sure no power on earth would have stopped it. And with regard to building these warehouses on the west Side of the dock, it does appear to me that warehouses in that situation must incur an increased risk. A variety of opinions have been given on this subject; I can onlv.say I have taken the trouble to consult a gentle man who has the control of one of the oldest and wealthiest fire offices in London, and he says, so far from any diminu tion of danger, it will be increased, it will be amazingly in creased between the shipping and the warehouses ; the risk to warehouses from ships, and the risk to the ships. fiom the contiguity of warehouses, and to suppose under such circum stances that there can be the slightest reduction of insurance is quite out of the question. I have been told by an intelli gent member of the Dock Committee that it is intended to exclude cotton and a variety of other articles of a combus tible tendency. Now it is said that the private warehouses already afford sufficient accommodation for cotton, and the imports of cotton require nothing further: I quite agree to that, sir. The private warehouses always have and always will afford proper accommodation, but is this a proper argu ment to be used? If the erection of these warehouses is in tended to enable the merchant to land at these warehouses and dispose of his goods at a considerable reduction of expen diture as to charges, what are we to think of an arrangement which will exclude from the benefit of that reduction the most bulky, the most valuable, and beyond all question, the most important article of commerce which finds its way here. (Hear.) Mr. Mayor, when this subject was discussed some months ago, there were several gentlemen who sup ported it simply on the ground of its being so inconsiderable an addition to the general Warehouses. It was said that we who opposed it were very unreasonable, as these warehouses were only intended as an experiment, that they might give increased facilities, and could not possibly injure the value of warehouse property in any degree. It will be remembered that Land others who held this opinion, said the mere fact of warehouses being built there would incur the necessity of building others. What is the fact? That a bill is in progress for building warehouses on the land on the west side of the Prince's Dock affording space for sixty waretreuses, and so with Salthouse Dock and other docks; altogether we shall have warehouses which will afford, I imagine, a very large experiment. It is really high time for the council to say that that they will not suffer such interference with the value of private property. But if the council should be insensible to the demands of those whose property is injured—if it should be left to the julk claims, surely we ou g ht nu t t o l ose s i g h t o f What i s due trilhat noble estate which the municipal constituency has prit into our charge. That estate is given us for the benefit of the whole town, and ought not to be disposed of for the benefit of one class. Let me ask what has occurred with re spect to property since this subject was first agitated. We know very well that capitalists have become distrust ful and called in their mortgages; that the value of land and all other property around the docks has been very considerably diminished ; and as regards the corporate estate itself, we must observe that there have been no fines for the renewal of leases for warehouses, and with very in considerable exceptions, no sale of land - for warehouses, though see know full welt that there is a large amount eligible. Now I will not betray any confidence, and I do say that these are considerations which we ought not to lose sight of in such an important question. It has been stated by the last speaker, and has been pretty boldly insinuated by others, that the opposition to this measure proceeds from persons whose interests alone prompts them to oppose it, Now I must say with respect to myself, this is nut the fact. It is very true that I have within the last few years invested a large property—l may call it a fortune, in the warehouses of Liverpool; but surely that fact is not to expose me to the charge of being instigated by selfishness if I stand here in defence of the property which I have earned by the sweat of my brow, and the greater part of which 1 hold under lease from the corm ation, 'which implies a guarantee that I shall be protected in the possession of it. I bought laud in the best situations in Liverpool, and I have paid correspond ing prices for that land; and if after giving my money, the fair advantage is to be withheld from me, let tire ask, is that fair dealing? Mr. Mayor, I object to this measure as un necessary and unjust. 1 think it unjust to the public; I think it is peculiarly unjust to the lessees of the corporation, but it is still more unjust to those individuals who are still under an obligation to erect warehouses, and who, fearing this obligation, have sought to be relieved, but unsuccessfully, from that obligation. I object to it as a speculative good, and certain of inflicting incalculable evil; and I trust that the Dock Committee will pause before they commit themselves on a question wherein half of Liverpool will appear arrayed in hostility to the other half; and in which, those who really possess the most permanent stake of property in the town, may be driven to form an unnatural alliance against those who ought to be their protectors. (Hear, hear.) M. Alderman BA RCLA Y.-1 wish to make some remarks with regard to what the gentleman has said who has last ad dressed you. He seems to apprehend that the measure will be destructive to the present warehouse property. Now, if we look to the operation contemplated by these bills on the table, we eannot go to Parliament till next Spring; we can not get our right till next year, and we cannot go into opera tion for a year and a half, and then by the provisions of that act, We cannot brim: more than one-' hird of these warehouses into operation for three years at least; so that it will he five years before they are. opened fur use. During that Onto no other warehouses will be built in Liverpool; nobody will think of such a thing ; therefere the present warehouse hol ders will have the present warehouses for five years. At the end of that time. five new warehouses will be let into them. It apears from Mr. Wahusley, that in the course of the last year 60 warehouses have been built annually. Mr. WarauseaY.—l beg pardon. Mr. Alderman BA RDI, AY continued.—l don't care if it is thirty warehouses. At all events, it appears to one that the carrying of these bills through will be the greatest protection that can arise, if their argument is worth a farthing. If this bill passes, no new warehouses can be started. They will have the monopoly of the warehouses for five years, and then it will be by degrees that the .warehouses are let in. The dock has to he built first; and we know what time it takes to build a dock. And, therefore, to speak of these things as an injury to the present warehouses—l wish to use no impro per expression—appears to me to be an absurdity. Mr. Councillor EARLE.-Mr. Barclay, in his enthusiasm, has forgot something, namely, three years in which the whole of the work is to be completed. Mr. Councillor SANDS had given his vote on a previous occasion, under the conviction that the proposed or similar warehouses were wanted, and that warehouses about the docks would be of great advantage to the commerce of the town. He was nearly of the same opinion now; but still lie thought that they ought not to be built, by the Dock Committee, but by private individuals. He must vote against the amend ment. Mr..JonN Sm ITH said, that close and impartial considera tion of this great and important question had more than ever convinced him that, iu order. to, facilitate the business of the port, there existed no real necessity for the erection of these warehouses. That difficulties did frequently pre sent themselves, to prevent the speedy discharge of the cargoes of vessels, he did not pretend to deny; but hr would ask if there were no other remedy for the evil than this favourite scheme—this darling bantling, if he might term it— of the Dock Committee? Was that intended to be thf- Ifiorism's laughter)—the grand specific which was effectually to eradicate all the diseases and complaints apper taining to the trade and commerce of the port ? Could no other panacea he discovered for the removal of the obstruc tions and'itivediments to despatch, commencing with tht ) r 414- ny vexatious and annoying regulations of the Custont-house and ending with the very imperfect and inconvenient manner in which the porterage - department of business was usually conducted in the town ? He imagined that a much more sim ple and less costly remedy might be applied. In the - firAi'place, let those merchants who were in the habit of receiving annu ally large consignments of goods and' produce, agree to about one uniform system of porterage, consenting, .fOr the sake of general convenience and despatch, to forego the pro fits at present accruing to them from the difference wising between the day or weekly wages which they paid and the rates per package which they were legally entitled to charge. In the next place, if the exclusive privilege sought to be ob tained by the dock trustees, under the 11th head of the pro posed warehouse bill, empowering them, after a reasonable time, to store unentered goods, were at once granted to the shipping interest of the port generally, there would'nePexist even the shadow of an excuse for entering into'nll , oject which, if carried into effect, would entail certaiti ruin and misery upon hundreds of individuals. He would remark, with respect to Mr. Alderman Evans's strictures on.bis fiiend Mr. Holme's letter in last Monday's Albion, that lie.:much regretted that his friend (not being a member of council) could not be there present to defend himself in.pericri.., He would, however, no doubt, do so through the mediurn , of the public press. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—I believe I have a prescriptive right to reply to the various observations that have. been made; cud if I occupy your time, I know not how it can be better employed than on an occasion that is admitted on all hands to be of the highest and most pre-eminent importance. And I observe, sir, in a number of speakers there is a. recur rence to fires. As no allusion has been made to what I said ofMr. - 1-oime, give me leave to say that I left a most Mate rial item out, which concerns the weight which sonfeWntle man's testimony ought to have on the question'. - I are ex ceedingly indebted to Mr. Smith. I maintain,Anis' Mr. Holme for many years was one of the most Strentidt!tildvo cates of the docks; there is a plan of his extant new ; " the story is written in most choice Italian"—and making a stack of warehouses to work by machinery • running be tween them. Now, sir, there were warehouses, whie,h - .from their height and depth would have exceeded all-tiso 'Ware houses we are proposing now. Upon the further arguing that point, you well know the degree of consideration Mr. Holmes had for the warehouse - holders, , s .veliose case he advocated at the expense of the Dock .-Cerrnmittee. He charges us with offering measures of gross -injustice. I asked him—for this latter conversation was with .ine—if he would give the warehouse owner's notice ? 'What wasahat notice? It was seven years. Now, sir, I have stated. the matter merely because Mr. Holmes was a man of-great,,influ ence; and as be came into the press with his -name, bsi has given me a right to let down that influence upon.the question, which I now endeavour to do. Now, sir, with regard. to five; it has been mentioned here by several gentlemen .',lf the danger is in view, I refer to London and the `four .greatest greatest establishments they have there for 30 years. We have beard that there was a fire in St. Katherine's Dock. Ye's. it is ad- • mitted that, you can prevent fire, but we can have a facility of putting it out. When the new Dock Committee came into office, we found extremely stringent laws ab'o'ut, steam boats. Upon reflection, we have greatly mitigated them and removed them; because it happened that fire, was their ele ment we were always on the look out to repress it ;. and - it is very characteristic of a public body acting on a, printiple of officers going in and out, so that the men could not - have a pipe or anything of that sort, it is a natural cons.elusion that they could not have a fire. But I refer to these ,London establishments for so long a time without any fires, and then I refer again to the rates of insurance, after which I would have expected that not one word more would have been said. However, my friend over the way—(Mr. Birch).—J could not expect the compliment of a written speech, or that he would have run the hazard of interrupting the thread of it out of deference to what I might have said. t reinitids.me of a quotation used by Mr. Canning, who . explained - that it was not meant in any way to give offence, and I repeat in exactly the same spirit. I believe it is from Ilorace.;. my friend will correct me there (great laughter.) -I am going to give you the translation, for my memory would - failsme in the original, " Destroy the web, the prophecy's, in vain, : . _ The creature's at his dirty wprk again.", . Therefore, whatever proof—if an angel from, heaveneame down—we have this eternal fire up. (Hear and laughter.) Now, sir, with regard to the expressions. We. will: arrive at you presently (looking at Mr. Earle, amidst mttclinat,er.) I assure you I have no ill feeling again s t an y of yet4... ! .With regard to the expressions that have been cast:otic.l4,mv friend Mr. Currie, I apprehend that even if we did *. Carry the whole of the bill, if we carried an insignifica l iilnt ' en t, }, c m that we carry the expenses; 'and I should thiliier-t ftf 4 the Dock Committee, in a good spitit, would acq.tiltqC.e' lfifghat arrangement, Well, I shall not for a motnenatifeliiitiNr. Brown's motion of monopoly. The monoPolyls'eannotfind in the thing; because, after all, what we Waßtlo.lgiVe.'l3 an insignificant fraction. I don't suppose that the. 1,(i1'6 of the warehouse 4 per cents. are much more: :And you 4)b serve, what we want is, to have it in the handS of the,..D'ock Committee; for it is merely in order to _make: a' cautious experiment in bands where any error may . be,repritable ; not to commit the quays and land of the doels:all,4olinre : that Liverpool being in the peculiar situation, of havinsiTsthe docks public and the warehouses private, weleiseht-emerke a very formidable—a very great mistake in lettingstbem at once. We have no kind of affection for warchon,es for-Ware house sake, We have asked discretion that we way-let them out, and that the council might rely-upon it.; Ity.t.theyslieed not rely upon it, for the proceedings, wheneyer.yes,nrade that option,. as it was resolved,, would come liefereJ-hosesrun cil, butt should say that discretion would st . be,receivewith - that understanding also. Now, sir, the monopoly.,sstlich. exists now, is the only monopoly that-I can ,Sec, and in _order to just let sou know of its existence, you have harla gradual advance from 12s 6d to £lO or £l2 for land exactly lit .eland used for agricultural uses, and vou will find a constant}'. in creasing rent fur land near the - docks; and then that refit, will cause the occupation of warehouses higher up and.in Worse places. Therefore we are arrived at .that • point. i .ihat it is absolutely necessary for the safety of the mei:candle public for us to bring this land into play: that would regulate the higher warehouse rent, which would act on Comrherce. How long are we to trail up the hill, and look at thbse. happy levels that have been made at such great expense..„And now, my friend here (Mr. Birch) is an 'excellent spolts man, and a very great portion of his life latterly kesibeen spent on the moors, and he has got a vitiated taste, and he would like to carry those delightful wastes all round" 'the docks; but that is not all, he wishes to perpetuate it. It is a kind of Moloch under his feet, now and hereafter. 'ill* it does happen that Liverpool will give rise to more dock, still there will be these obstacles offered, you may make the necks, but no warehouses. You have heard what Mr. WaltnaleV'oas calculated as an average increase of warehouses,- no less than sixty a year. Now that should give confidence—should let the warehouse owners know that there is a margin in Li;ierpool, and her prosperity is unbounded, and that numbers of new private warehouses will be required, and absorbed in theisom merce of Liverpool ; that is sure if you have got faith in it. Now, Sir, leasing the lands; we have not the least objection to lease out lands, but we wish to knew our way; we would not let here a warehouse and there a warehouse to i.prlivjdu als, but we would let them to companies. - I want 'ty-sxste matic arrangement of the company; with'allroylleArtj . .wisuld lease lands outwhen ever we got beyond the first eXp'eriin - e - rit ; and I would give in the Srst experiment also. .NOW, with re gard to the corporate estate, I really had no idea; that ileadww, would be alluded to: as if that corporate estate'inltS'iiiagni tude and in its division is not identified with the whole tawu and with the community, and will rise or' fall with ihe:pyos perity of the town of Liverpool. I have no need, Sir, AO enter much more upon that; but there were some. otTsre marks made by Mr. Birch. He we haVe "irrjtiry and ruin involved for themselves ;" that is going on'the supi Osi. lion that the whole of the twelve hundred warehouses must be left idle. That I leave to itselr. Bet I would be glad to know whether we are to allow a repressive glooni.to be cast over the future state of Liverpool—if we we're to- make so complete a sacrifice of the present and also of posterity.to what I pronounce the baseless and perfectly idle appiVlien sirms of the warehouse owners. Let them prove their loSses; let that lie open, net the working of it; but nut to interfere to prevent Liverpool getting bold of a machine which will exalt her at once and with speed over all her rivals. - Noii: theye marks of Mr. Birch, which 1 have heard with ttO liftle - pain . and grief, because I should he certainly sorry that tipOn re flection he would let that escape him—that he would confirm it ; and that is' that his local patriotism should sit So. light upon him, as the mere apprehension of -a small reduction or if any almost from his income, should lead him. into . :an alliance with the enemies of the mercantile town' 4r- Liver pool. These were matters which Mr. Birch - li - as urged which were all urged at the last meeting its every 'respect. And 1 have only one more remark with regard to Mis,Hodg son. Although he was eloquent, and made a great fnany remarks, 1 rejoiced that it all coded that he was an advocate for the warehouses—that he admitted that undoubtedly 'the working of the docks in connection with the Warehouses , would be the beau ideal of every thing. Now, sir, we have only been taunted with our small majority on tie last occa sion. I have studiously avoided that on the formernec'asiett , and would now—alluding to gentlemen's interests. Sir, it was mentioned to me . by one of the most respectable and most intellig,ent men out of doors, that he positively consi dered that thoss who were interested in . warehouses ought not to vote at all. And if we hear of our small majcirity, and if you will analyze the minority upon that principle, I ant sure that the majority, however small; will be greatly en larged. Mr. Cu Ties amendment was then put to the vote... Iho following was the division :—For the amendMe'nt,23,namely- -- Counciilors—W. Preston, J. Mellor, J. Wonllright, J. Priestley, H. Horobv, W. Lassell, J. Carson, T. Moiecroft , V. Higgins, T. Blackburn, E. Seger, and W. W. Ctirrie'. Aldermen—J. Hamby, W. Brown, 'l'. Leithoni, .G. 'Holt, R. Benn, E. Evans, J. Moon, '!'. Bullev, T. B. Barclay, G• Robinson, and the mayor. Against it, 31, namely— Cuuncellors—J. Holmes, J. Heyworth, D. Hatreson. - C• Logan, R. Houghton, E. Harvey, W. Shand, C. Rawdop , J. Barton, B. Frankland, H. Holmes, T. Sands } J. 'Watt -ris ky, C. Birch, J. Bibby, C. Lawrence, J. Cooper, J.N.Wood , W. Earle, Jun., J. Mason, J. S. Leigh, J, Lawrence, J Cropper, jun., F. Jordan, and G. RamSderi..,.. Aldermen—T. Booth, C. H. Jones, 'l'. Holt; W. P. Ft eo' e, and 0. Heyworth. Absent—Messrs. W. Thornhill, 'l'. Bolton, It: Bright,. J.- Lawrence, H. Lawrence, T. Brocklebauk, T.•Coglan, J•• Platt, and W. M. Duncan. Mr. W. EARLE then' seconded the amendment Which had been proposed by Mr. Booth. A"et some slight discussion, that amendment was p t it to the vote, and was carried by a majority of two, the nuMbers. being 28 for, and 26 against it. The voting seas • 'as follows —For the amendment - Councillors—J. Holmes, J. Heyworth, -D. Hodgson, C• Logan, R. Houghton, W. Shand, W. Preston; J. Barton , B. Frankland. H. Holmes, T. Sands: C. Birch; C: Law rence, J. Cooper, J. N. Wood, W. Earle jun., J. Mliso n, J. S. Leigh, J. Smith, C. H. Lawrence/J. Cropper,juno F. Jordan, and G. Ramsdell. Aldermen—T. Booth, C. 11. Jones, J. Motin, W. P. Freme , and 0. Heyworth. Against it— Councillorir—E. Harvey, C. Rawdon, J. Mellor. J. Walirs ley, J. \Voolright, J. Priestley. H. Hornbyl• J. Bibby, • LasselL J. Carson, T. Morecroft, V. Higgins, r. Blackbu rn, E. Segar, anil \V. W. Currie. 'Aldermen—J. 1 - lornby, W. Brown, 'l'. Leathoto, G. R. Benn, E. Evans, 'l'. Holt, T. Bullev, T. B. Barclay', G. Robinson, and the Mayor. Absent, as before. Ajd. After the result'of the voting bad been announced, ; Evans remarked that there.was nothing disconraging.•`' as there were seven absent members in favour of the mea sure. Another gentleman observed, that among the abseil tees were two opponents to it. There was considerable confusion in the council-roto)1.1): the members congregating in knots,. and vehement l y versing; and the Mayor was unable CO bring them to ° to pass the Finance Committee proceeding.: to Mr. Alderman EvANs.—lt will be zor :1 -," ne make docks, for I am sure the docks Will not. lead a horse to water, but he Weill drink. . Mr. Councillor HENRY HoLmEs No. no' Committee must make ducks. It was intimated that there was a doubt whether the. Committee Committee would proceed with the bill at all, pow ilia! t principal portion of it was rejected. The prri c e e rliogs • I 'L Finance Committee were not decided upon, and :the S) cil adjourned till Tuesday, the 30th October, as a - Q 6 art erly Council. The adjournment took place at four o'clock. As the members of the Council were retiriuA7,, Mr. man Evans was heard addressing some member with g!'e'"'„ vehemence,—" You are the greatest traitor I ever he iet This sally was fo:lowed by considerable laughterfei3O:thC"" d the members. fitio.itpxv * The quotation is from 1,910100*a Th a t men ti e o n L e i d / e a r s a r l k e G I y z e t o t e a e p that t i e h sa ve d p E r d e d ( c ) 411 t f 13 . 0 " f . 1 . 4 1 ` 11 6 : 4 13 ° o t Society, in the ro o m gt the Duke of Sussex.