The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1844-11-12 00:00:00

(Hors that R. unily for servants. ',hat the n much ring the !s e xceed has be', 2Eten t of the late Irighion Nov. 12, 1844. MEETING OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. On Saturday, at twelve o'clock, the first meeting of the new Town Council took place at the Town Hall. ELECTIOF MAYOR. The MAYOR said that i twas hardly necessary for him to inform the Council that their business was to elect a Mayor for the ensuing year. Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE then rose and said he begged t o propose, as candidate for that office Mr. Alderman J ames Law rence — a gentleman who had 'had the honour of a seat in the Council ever since the municipal corpora tions' act came into operation ; and lie thought he might Mention that during the heat of political excitement which then prevailed, Mr. Lawrence was then elected by both tTrties, Whig and To r y, as a C ou n c illor for Great Forge's W ar d, an d that he had d i scharge d hi s d u ti es as Chairman of the Watch Committee not only with great credit to himself, but by so doing he had gained the ap probation of his colleagues in the Council, and he believed of the public at large. (Hear.) He (Mr. Lawrence) might speak from his own observation on that subject, but e e preferr e d rat h er to refer to a vote of the W atc h Com mittee, whi c h h ad b een read at the last meeting of C ounc il . (Hear.) H e (Mr. Lawrence) had therefore every confi dence that Alderman Lawrence would preserve the rights chiefrivile ges o f the Corporation, and in hi s c h arac t er o f magistrate would maintain its dignity. He had, therefo . re, great pleasure in proposing him as Mayor for the ensuing yeat. (Cheers.) .Mr. ASPINALL seconded the proposition, which he did with great satisfaction, as, from the zeal and ability Mr. Lawrence had exhibited in his career in the Watch Corn 14ittee, he could re commen d hi m t o the consideration of ,?.?r and intelligence , the Council, bec ause h e wou ld fill th e duties of Mayor with al for the good of the town at large. He was, moreov er , a great contributor to the different Public charities; and he was sure he would devote the whole of hi s time and ability to the interest o f t h e inhabi tants. He seconded the nomination t ,, Mr. D . H ODGSON said he did not know w h et h er h e sh ould be ou t o f course i n ma ki ng an o b serva tion, but b ought it wa s a ques ti on i n w hich every member of a c e " 1111 61 might with great propriety express his opi ei'lml• He thought it was better, then, to inquire how e detail o f the mayoralty would be conducted rather than make observations at the period of its close, which !eight, in some measure, seem rather to partake of flat ttery th an sound membe r judgment, but when they had an oppor tunity of stating what they really believed, and what had come under their observation as to the conduct of a to it, of the Council, it was only right to give expres sionHe believed that Mr. Alderman Lawrence, /9 w l h l Phad from the first maintained all those principles le e were dear to the great majority of the Council, would not waver in his conduct, but continue to support bit Principles, whilst at the same time he would exhi- Mt a just consideration for those who differed with him. Thad, therefore, great pleasure in supporting the elec of Mr. Lawrence. (Cheers.) San e motion being put and carried unanimously, Mr. rends then resigned the keys of his office to Mr. Law- Theand complimentedcomplimented him upon his appointment. resSedoß having ten taken the usual oaths, ad dressed the Council as follows: —He returned thanks for the high and distinguished honour the Council had con anoPon himhonour of which he felt proud, an f leh he assured them he could appreciate as much as ly one cou l d do. He had had a sea t i n t h a t Council or rim e Years, an d d ur i ng t h at per i o d h e h a d discharged the reties of his office to the best of his abilities, and with t i ; d gnient, faithfulness, and zeal, and he trusted that in do new office he should continue to do so. In order to that he ust ask the aid and suort of the members of the Coun m cil, and with that aid h pp e trusted he should conduct the business of he Council with credit to him (e Tf and to the satisfaction of the community at large.o PPla use.) His worship then said that the next busi ts. Was to supply the places of the retiring Aldermen. 'lr THOMAS BRANCKER.—Mr. Mayor, I wish you rd orni n g . [Sir Thomas here left the room, merely theare being lion,eth purpose of remaining outside while his own elec w and that of others in the place of retiring Aldermen, ret.rr c g proceeded with. We may remark, that, with option of the Mayor, Sir Thomas was the only 4, 11 1 . 1 g Alderman present.] aria a e r , e ,euncil then proceeded to the election of aldermen deo - th e voting papers being duly examined, the Mayor theraerte,d the following gentlemen unanimously elected, eing no other nominations :—Mr. James Lawrence m r. ) ?r), Sir Thomas Brancker, Mr. David Hodgson, s w . d elln Shaw Leigh, Mr. Thomas Sands, Mr. Anthony Pte a t m it a s hMr• Thomas Berry Horsfall, and Mr. William Sir Tho Y. then us b e Mos Brancker and Mr. Anthony Swainson were newi red into the room by Mr. B rkett. All the _ y-eiected Al Horsfall and Aldermen with the exception of Messrs. tested took the u Itushby, who were not in attendance, here by Z al T doelaration, and had their signatures at -. , r , ue hn Holmes and Mr. Hugh Horiaby. tleman to fill the Sir THa m A LI 3 4 . !ITMENY OF TOWN-CLERK. NCKER said he tose to propose a gen ele ' bat %ron he trusted office of Town-Clerk, whose , would be met with unanimous appro that 1 1 , • h (Hear ') He (Sir T. Brancker,) might state e ad the good fortune of introducing the gentleman ll.r.Few.as about to propcse into the service of the borough. believed it was his casting vote, as magistrate, which thyappointed him cl er k t o t h e mag i strates, an d f rom t h at to th e present lie had felt increasing satisfaction at thy vote he then gave; for every year had satisfied him more and more of the talent, zeal, and ability displayed by Mr. Shuttleworth. (Hear, hear.) He (Sir T. B rancker) had only been a member of the Council for two years and a .half, but during that period, he had seen . n'tich of the business performed by the Town-Clerk, both here and in London; and without referring to what fallen Was past, he would say a very undue share of labour had Those genlem on t the shoulders of Mr. Shuttleworth. (Hear.) en who had been on deputations to London awnOT td' the boo he t in vouch for Mr. Shuttleworth's tact ,alent in th e par li amentary b us i ness connected with e borough He (Sir Th omas B ranc k er ) h a d b een th ere fr equently, and cou ld say t h at Mr. Shuttleworth ' s anxiety for the welfare of this Corporation, and his diligence and briperseverance in performing his duties, were above all praise. ear, hear.) To t w b n e . He wo u ld not l onger detain the Council, g C g l e e d r k t u rn l o t hv e a t s h a a l t ar M y o r. f Shuttleworth be appointed Mr. JOHN ,000 a-yeared in( . leers. SHAW LEIGH fully concurr all that bad fallen from Sir Thomas Brancker, and had great pleasu Mr.re in seconding his proposition. BRAatLEY-IldooßE remarked that he did not Wish to rai se any opposition to Mr. Shuttleworth, whom .. considered a fi t and proper person to fill the of f ice of te wn-C1 erk ; but he wished to know what was the inten rn of th e C ouncil as to a separation of the office of voce'/Z e n - Clerk, Prosecuting Solicitor, and Clerk of the because that would make some difference as to his because the question of salary. .o,LWhilst Mr. Moore was speaking, Mr. Horsfall, one toile newly-elected Ald ermen , h e re entered the room 'Aqu a l loud chee rs , an d was i ntro d uce d b y M r . H o d gson . tle rna s n ubse quent stage of the proceedings, the former gen took th e usual declaration.] Mr. L ACE so e sted that Mr. Shuttleworth should be permitted to be g p g resent, as there did not appear to be any opposition to his appointment, which was agreed to. Mr• ArsaN and several Councillors rose to speak to a Point of form, the question of dividing the offices, Up on -ID, as to hickw Sir Thomas Brancker agreed to amend as fello ws " Tha Mr. Shuttleworth be appointed To of this borough t and Solicitor to the Corporation wi th a salary of £2,000 a year, with the necessary clerks for the discharge of the duties." Mr. BRAMLEY-MOORE rose to propose an amendment. ne wished to have a proper division of labour. If the ,Prosecuting solicitor's office be made to merge into the T own-Clerk, the duties of both would not be efficiently Zed properly dischargedsupport of this position l ate e need only state the increase which had taken place of , n , Years. In 1837, the number of prosecutions was 353, an d in 1843 they had increased to 614. A committee ap pointed to investigate the duties of the paid officers had mad e a report to this council recommending a division o.wf la bour. (hear, hear.) The reception of that report as m oved by Si r Th om as Brancker. and received the sanction of the Council. Mr. G. H. Lawrence had also Qapressed a warm approval of the scheme, and only cor plains d that the committee had treated the subject as it reght to be, an d not as i t rea ll y ex i s t e d. Th e l amen t e d ath of the lat e T own - c l er k had now given them an oatiPpdortunitY of treating the subject as it ought to be ; tha he should, in support of his own opinions, remark the. t the sche me h a d rece i ve d th e most direct approba of the late Town-Clerk. Mr. Shuttleworth also, s 13 eputy Town-Clerk, that iven his opinion on this eu.lect, and he thought that opinion ought to have r r , W 7ight with the Council on the present occasion. Mr. a va — , l 4 . ll o,eY-Moore then read extracts from Mr, Shuttle ne-`‘e s statement, in which he said that it wes absolutely whi ch -cess arY that some arrangement should be made by t some person should always be in the office compe bent to advise and confer ; and that, from his experience. fromewas,of opinion that the principal ought to be relieve . d r eaa tne details of business, and employ himself in di an-rillf others, and seeing those directions carried out ; than Shuttleworth had also declared that the scheme thee Proposed—the scheme which he (Mr. Moore) was d en a dvocating —was the best that could be possibly h a vised • He moved, as an amendment, "That there t a 11 be three distinct appointments of different persons a ° n( t i h ..e offices of Town. Clerk, of Solicitor of Prosecutions l'in' e asing, and of the Clerk of the Peace." Kir• limsflAw seconded the amendment. Clerkr. A. LACE said no such office as Deputy Town cipac or Prosecuting Solicitor, was named in the muni eutir, a et ; and as to such an officer having all the prose the " a s , if any solicitor in the town chose to look after Prosecutions, he might take every one from the o wn -h a ll Mr Pr sa • ^nuTTLEwoRTn said the way in which all the In co were given to the Prosecuting Solicitor, was o fa , usequence of te magistrates binding over the chief ti e : of Police to prosecute ; and then the latter func- Afrq c onsulted the Prosecuting Solicitor. Putta; B taRETT said the present was the proper time for efa cie &th e , legal officers of the Corporation . on a triot. °ffice ra ~.,l e cting. As to the recommendations of the Paid !tate of ',,,ritnittee, they were given under a . very different !air f,,,,TingS to what now existed ; and it . was hardly kMr. ii•‘eua now to be tied to those sentiments. He hue; tr kett) had had a good deal to do with the legal th e ( 3 ' e e t ss of the Town-hall ; and he was quite satisfied that effici e ter Plan was, to have one head over the whole, with had sat et clerks under him. (Hear, hear.) Any one who Year s ta on the Finance Committee during the last two was must be c onv i nce d t h at t h e propos iti o n now made bovvr c h the b e tt er p l an. A s M r . Sh u ttl e worth might taugh t considered as the Town Clerk, he thought he buC rain b Was, e asked what his opinion on the subject now ate (Hear said, in . lonosoN said, that, having the greatest confidence apeak, huttleworth, and he believed in saying so he was cil "" a g in the Coun ery atmosphere of feeling in that . th e ,ear, heat!)—thev were in a position to deal . with subject w'th Wit h r the utmost freedom ; and he disagreed Mr. 131 kett as to the propriety of asking Mr. Shut- tleworth the question proposed, particularly in a matter where salary was concerned. He should not have taken any part in the debate if he thought it involved legal con siderations ; but, in his opinion, it was obvious to com mon sense that, if, the great concerns of the Corporation of Liverpool were to be properly managed, they must always have some authorized person bearing the name. He could upt consent to act under the authority of a person who was not fully recognised by the Council itself. He believed that the Town-clerk must frequently be in London. He was sorry to foresee that he must be more in town than ever, for the Council were troubled with questions regarding their property which would require attention in Parliament. Whilst he (Mr. Hodgson) was an economist, so far as economy could be consistently carried, he was, nevertheless, of opinion, that the Council must afford to pay for those duties which were necessary for the preservation of the property and right government of the Council, irrespective of the amount. He was of opinion that the best course they could pursue would be to continue their late sub-division of officers, and to ap point in addition, a Clerk of the Peace. Mr. LACE agreed with the view taken by Mr. Birkett. The only argument advanced in favour of having a Deputy Town-clerk appeared to be this : that his services would be required in case of the absence of the Town-clerk in London ; not that the Town-clerk, with able assistants, could not conduct the machinery of the Corporation, but that we should be at a loss when he was absent from town. Now he (Mr. Lace) hoped the Council would not have occasion to go to London for two or three years hence. Liverpool, he could assure them, was at a great discount in the metropolis,—(" hear, hear !" from Sir Thomas Brancker.)—and he certainly hoped they would keep away for two or three years. They were not, therefore, called upon to provide a remedy for what was to occur every month or every year, but for what might occur once in two or three years. (Hear.) It was agreed upon all hands that they were to have a separate officer as Clerk of the Peace ; and the gentleman selected to fill that office would be fully competent to advise the Mayor in the ab sence of the Town-clerk. No one would be offered for the office of Deputy Town-clerk or Clerk of the Peace without being fully competent ; and, if this were so, the greatest difficulty would be overcome and the stongest objection removed. There was in reality no such office as Deputy Town-clerk and Prosecuting Solicitor con templated by the Municipal Act, and the only way in which prosecutions were kept in one hand was by a kind of collusion with the magistrates. The Town-clerk was the party responsible for all the documents of the Corporation which legally were in his possession, and if, by electing a Deputy Town-clerk, these documents were allowed to go out of his possession, they might be de stroyed by such deputy, yet the Town-clerk alone was responsible. (Hear, hear.) Mr. NORTH was also in favor of the original motion. The main argument in favor of the amendment entirely failed, for it was alleged that there would, if the original motion were carried, be no responsible head at home, whereas it was intended to have a separate officer as Clerk of the Peace, who would be quite competent to ad vise the Mayor, and perform the duties of Town-clerk in his absence. (Hear, hear.) He concluded by paying a high compliment to the talents of Mr. Shuttleworth, and expressed his intention of supporting the original motion. (Cheers.) Mr. BUSHELL remarked that the theories of Mr. Lace and Mr. North differed from their practice. They agreed that the business should be performed under the direction of one head, and that all the officers should be subordi nate to that head. Now, on looking at the directory he found that the chief law firms in Liverpool consisted of two, three, and four persons. Mr. Bushell read over the names of a number of firms, and finished by quoting last, but not least, " Ambrose Lace, Joshua Lace, Myers, Rigge, and Roscoe." And in what differed private from public business ? What was good in one case was good in another case. Mr. Bushell then referred to the different statements of approval made by the late Town clerk and the Deputy-clerk, and concluded by supporting the division of the offices. A conversation then ensued respecting the report to which allusions had been made, and the motives of the Council at that time in appointing the committee. Mr. SHUTTLEWORTH said that, from what had passed, it would appear that he had, at that time, made state ments which now he was ready to disclaim. He therefore wished it to be understood that the question on which the report was given was, as to whether there should be a Town-clerk and a Deputy, or a Town-clerk and a borough solicitor. If the Council determined to have two officers, he trusted they would appoint a deputy, and not an officer totally independent of the Town-clerk. Mr. H. HORNBY recommended the postponement of the question. The Council divided, when there appeared, for the amendment, 20 ; against it, 32. The amendment was, consequently, lost. The following members voted in the division : For: Messrs. D. Hodgson, R. B. Hill, C. S. Middle ton, J. A. Tinne, R. S. Henderson, J. Sothern, T. Hoy den, C. Bushell, J. Procter, J. Kilshaw, R. Rigby, J. B. Lloyd, R. Jones, R. L. Jones, J. Parker, J. Plump ton, R. Harbord, J. Sheppard, R. Houghton, J. Bram ley-Moore. Against: Messrs. T. Shaw, W. Thornhill, R. Hough ton, J. Brancker, T. Chalmer, T. Blackburn, W. Pres ton, J. North, J. Aikin, Fl. Hornby, J. Holmes, J. Stew art, T. Toulmin, W. Fawcett, J. Aspinall, G. G. Hornby, W. Birkett, J. N. Wood, J. Pemberton, T. Kave, J. Hornby, G. H. Lawrence, J. S. Leigh, T. T. Glazebrook, A. Lace, W. Mann, Sir T. Brancker, J. H. Turner, R. S. Crook, T. Chilton, the mayor, A. wainson. Mr. MOORE then moved, as another amendment, that, for the present, the salary of the Town-clerk be £1,500 a year. Mr. TINNE seconded this amendment.—(Cries of " Vote !") Mr. PLUMPTON asked whether he was to under stand, that, out of the £1,500, the Town-clerk was to provide his own clerk ? Several voices, " No, No !" Mr. NORTH put it to Mr. Moore whether he would persevere with his amendment? Mr. MOORE said he thought it necessary so to do. He should not enter into any reasons beyond this, that he did not think that an incoming Town-clerk ought to come in on a maximum salary. He thought that if they com menced at £1,500 and saw how he got on that they might hereafter have it raised. Sir THOS. BRANCKER said, that, in the Reform Coun cil, the sum of £2,500 a year had been recommended for the Town-clerk. That sum had been suggested by a great economist, Mr. William Rathbone, a very honourable, straight-forward man, although they differed from him in politics. The recommendation, however, was notadopted, because of the heavy annuity to Mr. Foster, the previ ous Town-clerk. Why the new Town-clerk was to be worth less money than the last he (Sir Thomas) could not understand. Mr. BLACKBURN said he had been a member of the Council when the first Town-clerk was appointed, and that he was an advocate for giving him £2,500 a-year. He thought the man who had the talent to discharge the duties of such an office deserved £2,500 ; but, in addition to this, Mr. Shuttleworth was not a new man. On the contrary, he was a tried man and a known man, and de served £2,500 a-year. (Hear, hear!) His (Mr. Black burn's) opinion was, that the Corporation should have the first talent the town afforded, and that the talent should be properly remunerated. (Hear, hear!) Mr. AIKIN said he was one of those individuals who did not think it right to be exceedingly liberal at the public expense. He knew of no one so well qualified to fill the situation of Town-clerk as Mr. Shuttleworth, nor one for whom he had a greater esteem ; but the raising of his salary from £lOOO to £1,500 a year was a good be ginning, and he (Mr. Aikin) did not think he should be either extremely paltry or contemptible if he submitted a motion to that effect. They should recollect that Mr. Radcliffe, when appointed to the office, was at the head of the best legal business in the town, and that they had to induce such a man to take the position. The case at present was quite different; and he must say that £1,500 a year, when he compared it with the salary paid to the stipendiary magistrate or the salaries paid to some of the legal authorities of the land, or the judges on the bench, was by no means so paltry and contemptible a thing.— (Hear, hear !) Mr. TURNER contended that what had been said about the stipendiary magistrate was not by any means anala gous to the case of the Town-clerk. Surely Mr. Aikin did not wish to compare the duties of the two. Mr. Rushton had no wear and tear of the mind such as Mr. Shuttleworth would have to undergo. The latter could not go home at night without thinking of the duties of his office; whereas Mr. Rushton might go without having any care whatever on his mind. He (Mr. Turner) thought that £2,000 a year was not at all too much, par ticularly when the Council considered the claims made on an officer in such a situation. He was called upon to subscribe and entertain; and surely a gentleman in such a situation ought to be able to lay by something for his fa mily. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LACE observed, that when the late Town-clerk re tired from the office of Radcliffe and Duncan he was ena bled to make provision for his son. Mr. Radcliffe had told him (Mr. Lace) that, if he had any idea of the labour of the Town-clerkship, he should not have undertaken it for £3,000 a-year. He (Mr. Lace) knew no man in town more capable of taking the office or discharging its duties efficiently than Mr. Shuttleworth. He had seen Mr. Shuttleworth's mode of conducting business in London, and it was most admirable. They could not give him more than he was worth. Mr. PARKER said he was a trustee for the burgesses of Liverpool, and that there was an excellent old adage of "be just before you are generous." He thought if they began with £1,500 a year they should be doing very well; and with all due respect for Mr. Shuttleworth, whom he warmly congratulated on his appointment to the Town clerkship, he should support the amendment. Mr. HODGSON said he should not be the man to split on a question of £4OO or £5OO, seeing that Mr. Shuttle worth was to be the Town-Clerk and that there was the greatest confidence in that gentleman's talents and in tegrity. But, at the same time, he (Mr. Hodgson) should like to have some understanding that the Council were not to be called upon for additional expenses for additional clerks. They were to understand that the £2,000 was to be the covering price, and that this was not the getting in of the wedge. With this view he should vote with great pleasure for the £2,000. Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE fully concurred in all that had been said respecting Mr. Shuttleworth's great zeal and ability, believing that he most entirely deserved it. He was anxious to have it understood by Mr. Parker that the proposal now about to be carried out would be productive of considerable saving to the corporate estate. There would, for instance, be the saving of the salary of a Deputy Town-clerk ; and, though they proposed to bring in a Prosecuting-clerk—(" No, no," " Yes, yes,") — to assist Mr. Shuttleworth in carrying on the prosecutions, yet this was a party to whom some £2OO or £3OO a year only would have to be paid. In the end they would save some hundreds a year and carry on the establishment far more efficiently than at present.—(Hear, hear!) THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Mr. BUSHELL was sure the Council would find, ulti mately, that no saving had been effected. He was sorry the argument had been used, because he thought that since they had devolved on Mr. Shuttleworth the impor tant duties of the Town-clerkship, and loaded him with more than the late Town-clerk had to bear, it would be unjust towards him to lower the salary. (Hear.) Mr. PROCTER said he should vote for the £2,000 a-year ; but that he could not agree with those members who sup posed that a saving would be effected, particularly if they appointed a Prosecuting-clerk, at £3OO, and a Clerk of the Peace at £5OO a-year. Mr. SHUTTLEWORTH said the present cost for Town clerk, Deputy Town-clerk, was £3,700, and that if the present proposals were carried out there would be a direct saving of £3OO a. year. Hear, hear.) Mr. SHEPPARD.—Mr. Mayor, I trust, under all the circumstances of the case, that Mr. Alderman Moore and the gentlemen who advocate the reduction in ques tion will now ace the necessity of withdrawing their amendment. It is, str, admitted by all that a mare effi cient person cannot be found than Mr. Shuttleworth ; therefore I see no reason to reduce the salary. The du ties of the office are very extensive, and the t ceponsibili ties great ; and, consequently, I think the Town -clerk deserves the amount proposed—viz., £2OOO per annum. I voted in the minority on the last division, but most assuredly I will, if the Council divide upou the motion, now vote against the reduction. I respectfully, but firmly, call upon the gentlemen concerned to give up their opposition, and to let the resolution pass unani mously. Mr. SANDS also spoke in favour of granting the £2,000 a-year, after which Mr. Moore consented to withdraw the amendment. The original motion, appointing Mr. Shuttleworth Town-clerk, at a salary of £2,000 a-year, having been carried, that gentleman proceeded to the seat on the right of the Mayor, usually occupied by the late Town-clerk, amid loud cheering and clapping of hands. Sir T. BRANCKER congratulated the council on the ju dicious choice they had made, and said they would never repent of it ; that Mr. Shuttleworth would do his work like a workman ; and that he would stand higher, if pos sible, in their estimation that day twelve months than even he did at present. (" Hear," and cheers.) Mr. MOORE again explained, that, in submitting his amendments, he entertained the highest opinion of Mr. Shuttleworth's legal fitness for the situation. Mr. SHUTTLEWORTH having taken the usual oath, and signed the declaration as Town-Clerk in the presence of Mr. Sands and Mr. John Holmes, delivered the following address :—The council having been for some time occu pied with routine business, I shall not attempt to trespass on their attention with any lengthened remarks ; but I hope you will allow me to express my grateful thanks for having appointed me to this high and important office. That the council could have selected a more able man I readily admit; but they could not have appointed any one more resolutely determined, by energy and zeal, to atone for his other deficiencies. (Hear, hear.) Nor could they have selected any one more ardently devoted to the best interests of the great estate, the affairs of which this coun cil is called upon to administer. (Hear, hear.) I shall not detain yon longer than to express my hope that my conduct in the office may be such as to show the council arid the public that their confidence has not been mis placed. (Cheers.) CLERK OF THE PEACE. Mr. LLOYD said it afforded him great pleasure to pro pose an old resident of the town, and one who stood high in his profession, for the vacant office of Clerk of the Peace. He begged to propose Mr. Peter Wright._ The TOWN-CLERK said this was one of those offices for which the Council had no power to pay by salary. A bill had been brought into Parliament, last session, by Sir James Graham, which, when passed, probably in the next session, would enable them to do so ; but, in the present position of things, he recommended the Council to adopt a resolution, to the effect, that the nett emolu ments of the Clerkship of the Peace should not exceed , leaving a blank for the amount. Mr. LLOYD accordingly moved that Mr. Peter Wright be appointed Clerk of the Peace, receiving the fees, and accounting with the borough fund for all fees above £5OO per annum, which was to be his sala.y, and that it be un derstood, in his appointment, that Mr. Wright was to follow his private business, paying his own clerks. Mr. ASPINAL L seconded the motion, and, in doing so, bore testimony of Mr. Wright's excellent character. He said he had known him for many years, and that he had his authority to state, that, should he be elected, his ser vices would always be at the command of the Mayor and Council whenever the Town-clerk was absent from Liver pool.—(Hear, hear.) A discussion then took place on the subject of postpon ing the appointment, during which it transpired that the fees of the office were, last year, £l2OO, and the year before £l6OO • and eventually the appointment was ad journed, to Atain a letter from Mr. Wright that he will be satisfied with such salary as the Council may affix to the office. Mr. ATKIN said he wished to call the attention of the council to an individual who of all others was the most proper person to appoint as Clerk of the Peace, and he would have moved his appointment, but for the fact of the salary being such that Is Tr. Ellis could not afford to give up his situation as clerk of the magistrates. Sir THOMAS BRANCKEP also paid a high compliment to the conduct of Mr. Ellis. THE MAYOR'S ALLOWANCE. _ _ Upon the motion of Mr. John Holmes, the Mayor's allowance was ordered to be the same as usual. DOCK COMMITTEE. Mr. MoonE moved that Mr. Charles Stewart Middle ton and Mr. Robert S. Henderson be appointed members of the committee for the affairs of the estate of the Trus tees of the Liverpool docks, in the roo;n of Mr. Henry Holmes and Mr. Simon Lee Trotman, who had ceased to be members of the Council. Agreed to. Mr. McoRE announced that there were four other vacancies in the Dock Committee, occasioned by the retirement of Messrs. Evans, Barclay, Bulley, and Holt, as aldermen, which would have to be filled up at an ad journed meeting of the Council, appointed to be held on Wednesday next. MEETING OF THE BIRKENHEAD COMMISSIONERS. The monthly meeting took place on Tuesday evening last, William Jackson, Esq., in the chair. A letter was read from Mr. John Deane Case, tender ing his resignation as a commissioner, (of which he was chairman,) he being about to remove to another district. The CAAIRMAN said he regretted the circumstance. No gentleman not a ratepayer, or not possessing property in the township, could be a commissioner, and this had been the cause of Mr. Case's resignation. Mr. BENTHAM proposed as the only qualified person to fill the vacancy, whether as the largest landed proprie tor, or as the person to whom the township was most in debted—Mr. Jackson. _ _ Mr. WATSON seconded the proposition. Mr. JACKSON returned thanks, stating that he would ever equally protect the rights and interests of the land owner and the rate-payer; and that he hoped the same unanimity which had hitherto existed amongst the mem bers of the board would continue to exist, so that they might shew an example to other places that " union was strength." The appointment of Vice-Chairman, caused by the elec tion of Mr. Jackson tn the office of Chairman, was post poned until next week. The CHAIRMAN moved a vote of thanks to Mr. Case, which, accompanied by a handsome eulogy on his services, was carried unanimously. On the motion of the CHAIRMAN it was agreed to pur cbase 3,000 yards of land in Cleveland-street, at 7s. 6d. a yard, for the erection of a police-court, magistrates'- room, and bridewell. It was then agreed to sell in De cember, by public auction, about 70 acres of land skirting the park. It was also agreed to take pro temp Mr. Brassey's house, Hamilton-square, at a rent of £125 for offices for the Commissioners, their officers and clerks, the present town-hall being inadequate. The CHAIRMAN said he was of opinion that the board would derive £lOOO a-year from the new market, and that they would have a surplus by selling the land round the market, on part of which the present town-hall was built. The Market Committee presented a report relative to the recent falling of a portion of that yet uncovered build ing by the force of the gale of Saturday week, from which it appeared that the walls, &c., were perfectly substantial ; and that had the cross-walls, to be built for the shops at distances of ten feet, been erected, the accident would have been prevented. Another report was submitted by Mr. Cole, the surveyor, showing that the walls, &c., of the Birkenhead Market, when completed, will be stronger than those of Gill-street market, or St. John's, on this side. The CHAIRMAN then left, as he had to proceed imme diately to London. and Mr. J. S. Jackson was appointed to preside in his place. He remarked that he hoped the newspapers would notice the reports relative to the mar ket, as they showed that the falling of a part of the walls was purely accidental. The Ferry Committee presented a very favourable ac count of the receipts for the last month—admitting that much was due to the vast concourse of persons from Liver pool, who had attended the festival. The receipts in Oc tober, last year, were £1,138 12s. 7d.; the receipts of October, this year—X2,224 19s. Bd. ; leaving a balance in favor of the past month of £1,086 7s. ld. Mr. BROWNRIGG asked whether there was any truth in the report, published in the Mail of Saturday last, as to " there being whole streets of rubbish in the township, plastered with cement, and built by rogues, &c. ?" The CHAIRMAN replied there was not. Every build ing had been erected under the building act, which was more stringent in Birkenhead than almost any other place ; but there really was no use in contradicting what appeared in the Mail. (Hear, hear.) A. vote of thanks was unanimously passed to the Nor wich Union Insurance Company for having presented the township, on the 23d of October last, with a very valuable fire-engine, with the requisite appurtenances. The board then adjourned. CORRESPONDENCE. SHIP-BUILDING. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, SlR,—Most writers on shipbuilding have shewn that every good quality in a ship, such as stability, the true po sition for her cargo, with insurance of safety in a gale, de pends on the correct point on which the gravity centres ; to this all scientific men have fully assented, yet they have all left us in the dark with respect to its true position. Scarcely two have agreed as to its height; some are for fixing the centre of gravity low down, others as near the line of flotation as possible, from which two points there are a great variety of opinions. Experience and prac tical results have shewn, that by raising it as high as pos sible the ship becomes less laboursome, and therefore less liable to injury in a sea, and the adoption of this principle will greatly add to her capacity above her load line, through which she fully supports her canvass in a gale. This opinion is supported by the following practical re marks. What would become of sailing boats, such as gigs and skiffs, whose canvass surpass in quantity (by compa rison) all other vessels ? yet they pass through a sea with ease and safety, having no other ballast than from four to ten men, and often more, whose position raises the centre of gravity above their gunwalls. Again: where is the centre of gravity of our first rate ships, with four tier of guns, whose height and weight above their line of flota tion far exceeds the parts immersed ? yet they have been proved the safest of all ships in a gale. Again : load two ships, of equal strength, size, and form, to the same draught of water, one with timber, the other with iron ; the latter will strain in a sea, to her great injury, when the former, under the same circumstances, will perform her voyage with ease and safety. Lastly how many ves sels, through the correctness of their form, are not only able to shift without ballast, but even work to windward. These remarks will go a great way in establishing a prin ciple, that the perpendicular position of gravity, in the formation and building of merchant vessels, should be raised as high as possible, to promote ease and safety. I am aware, from the nature and quality of which mer chant-ships' cargoes are composed, a correct standard cannot be obtained : this trifling uncertainty ought not to lessen the responsibility in the construction of a ship. The centre of gravity remains an unsettled principle with the learned, as to a fixed point in the fore and aft direction, a point of all others most essentially necessary to the for mation of a ship's body, on which alone depends the qua lities of capacity, stability, and safety ; yet to this magic centre no theorist has come to anything like certainty; whence arises that diversity of opinion, produced from vain speculations, whereas common observation and expe rience directs to the half-length of the ship a. , •• a natural position for her main transverse section, for this one rea son, among many that may be deduced :—if the midship bend (dead flat) is stationed at either of the extremes, the centre of gravity, and with it the centre of displacement, must follow, or it must be removed by artificial means, through which her disjointing is speedily effected. Ships built with their dead flat far forward must ever unite in one their pitching and rolling motion, that is, they waddle from the starboard bow to the larboard quarter, and the reverse on the opposite roll; the effect in a heavy sea is tremendous, from the after part of the vessel flying from right to left, and from left to right. It may be asked, seeing that the true position of the centre of gravity still remains an undetermined quality, whether it is a neces sary qualification in shipbuilding ? I would answer—yes, it is of the first moment, when correctly placed ; but the great evil with shipbuilders, from its undefined principle, is that they either consider that as a quality it is wholly unnecessary, or that it is immaterial to a vessel in what part it centres, seeing the ballast or cargo will find it out; as such many construct their ships without a reference to, or calculations thereon ; others pursue a system equally as bad, by resting satisfied with finding the centre of gra vity of the whole fabric. Ilence proceeds so many dan gerous and ungovernable vessels. Yet there are ship builders who feel the importance and the responsibility attached to their profession, who in constructing see the necessity of commencing with the centre of gravity at the lower water or level line, and carry it by degrees to the gunwall. It is on this principle, and on this alone, that the centre of gravity becomes of the first importance in the construction of a well-regulated vessel—it is the only attainable means in order to perfection. When deter mined on with judgment it becomes the focus to guide the formation of each level, or water line, to its true course ; it is the centre around which the ship's capacity revolves. It is the judicious placement of this centre, from the keel upwards, that secures to a ship those beneficial and essen tial properties which prove her protection in every dan ger. To define the centre of gravity, and prove the ad vantage of placing it correctly in a vessel, take a piece of fir two or more feet long, by two or three inches square; by suspending it at the half-length between your finger and thumb, or with two pins, you find no difficulty in keeping the .upper surface level, produced by having the true centre of gravity ; remove the pins towards either end, and the longest part will immediately drop, which to bring it into an horizontal position, will require either a weight at the short end, or to be lengthened by some artificial means : in either case it will be evident that the centre of gravity is removed from its natural point, without any be nefit resulting therefrom. Again : does not a person on I taking a piece of timber on his shoulder, first balance it ' before he proceeds forward ; and if from some cause the part behind proves the heaviest, is there not an artificial weight added to the shoulder by the pressure of the hand on the light end to equalise the balance ? By these sim ple experiments true principles are often established, and false ones detected ; from these plain similies there is a greater object in view—that of demonstrating the false principles whereby ships are now built. In my next I shall resume this subject, wherein will be shewn a mecha nical method for finding the centre of gravity of each water or level line, with the ship's displacement. I am, sir, &c. JOHN COCK. Pembroke Dock, lst Nor. 1844. FEDERALISM. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. It is somewhat laughable to behold the various shiftings of the big beggarman of Ireland ; an oath he swears to-day with unblushing audacity he will revoke to-morrow ; a promise which, on his knees, lie solemnly pledges himself to perform one moment, he will, without reserve, split and render nugatory the next. A few months ago Mr. O'Connell, the uncompromising Mr. O'Connell, the resolute Mr. O'Connell, the firm and unshaken advocate for repeal, the truthful Mr. O'Connell ! ! spoke the following : " Ere the revolving year passed over their heads they should have a Parliament in College-green." " It is the duty of every Irishman to labour, and never to de sist from labouring,till their independentparliament was restored in College-green, independent of the British Parliament." Proud boaster ! who gayest thee authority to advise " It is the duly" forsooth, and he first viol a t es th at d u t y . " Stick to your banners" forsooth ! and it is he that first deserts them. Oh, thou dealer in precept ! Stick to your text, and teach your followers how to work. O'Connell was just set free ; the injustice of faction, and faction in the highest tribunal of the country too, opened his prison doors, and his followers and himself avowed that the final lift to repeal was given, that it would now overbear all opposition, and " Ireland would be a na tion." Shouts of triumph resounded, O'Connell's tail took it up, and as the sound went on it increased in loud ness ; but suddenly the great leader of all, the presiding spirit and life of his tail, dropped repeal and gave way. The tail stood aghast, astonished, confused ; and their loud shouts of triumph dwindl e d d own t o m i sera bl e croakings for federalism. " 0, how art thou fallen !" the blusterer, some few months ago, in tones of magni tude, but now, now when " such a triumph as never hap pened" had been given to them by partial factionists, now, when (as he said) their expectations were all to be realized, now he strikes the banners of repe a l an d h o i s t s the puny flag of federalism. In 18-13 federalism was hooted from coalition, denounced as a disgraceful course of dishonesty, yet, in 1844, the un blushing and cowardly liar is opposel tothe ardent advo cates of his former professions on that very subject. Once he professed the most enthusiastic adherence t o repeal and hatred for all compromise ;. and with such pro fessions, and on consideration of uttering such professions, his exchequer was filled with that which his countrymen toiled day and night to earn. For repeal was it that be said he would give them his head on a block if be did not gain it in six months, yet he throws it overboard. And, ye " simple repealers, will you suffer it any longer ? Utter your manifesto ; let the demagogue know that you will be trifled with no longer. Tell him, "We gave you our money on consideration of your fulfilling your agreement for repeal ; you have broken your pro mise ; you have dissolved the agreement as respects us, dissolve it in all, as respects yourself." Poor, pitiful children you must be, if you pass by this latest breach of faith ; you love repeal, you have ever che rished in your minds a fond anticipation of gaining it. You relied on, and gave your money to, Daniel O'Connell to effect this object; he swore he would : he cried, "No compromise ;" he made the most solemn protestations, he uttered the most sacred vows for—not federalism— that, said he, (then,) is a miserable shelter " under which cowards hide their treason;" that he abhorred—but for repeal. And, lo ! where is it ? Aye, Irishmen, tell me that ; where is it ? Oh, you are deceived I you are cheat ed, miserably cheated ; for where is it ? And echo an swers, " Where ?" The man has abandoned it. What for ? " A miserable shelter for cowards"—federalism. 'Twas cruel of thee, Dan, to leave it ! 'Tam deceitful of thee to make a split in the camp ; 'twas very cruel, 'twas very ungrateful, just at the very moment when the trumpet of triumph sounded with renewed vigour, when obloquy fresh was heaped on the friends of loyalty and peace, when all was announced to be flourishing and healthful, to desert the cause ; when thou hadst pocketed the money, pitifully to sneak out of thy engagements, oh, 'twas mean! 'twas cowardly ! Thy followers will desert thee, and leave thy grey hairs to drop in ignominy to the tomb.—Yours, DELTA. HUMBUG. FINANCE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. G. H. Lawrence, the Finance Committee for the year was constituted of the following members :—Messrs. G. G. Hornbv, Turner, Aspinall, Sands, Hodgson, Leigh, Blundell, Shaw, Hugh Hornhv, Houghton, jun., John Holmes, Bushell, Birkett, Sir Thomas Braucker, and G. H. Lawrence. WATCH COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL, the Watch Com mittee was composed of the following members :—Messrs. Glazebrooke, Harbord, Hodgson, Hugh Hornby, Joseph Hornby, G. G. Hornby, Houghton, sen., G. H. Law rence, Kilshaw, Parker, Plumpton, Preston, Henderson, Sheppard, R. L. Jones, Sothern, R. B. Hill, Thompson Thornhill, Tinne, Turner, Mann, James Brancker, T. B. Horsfall, and James Aspinall. IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. HODGSON, the Improvement Committee was composed of the following members;-- Messrs. Hill, R. L. Jones, Bushby, Rigby, Kilshaw, Plumpton, Stewart, Tinne, Pemberton, and Sheppard. COURTS OF LAW COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. LLOYD, the Courts of L aw Committee was c ons tit u t e d of the following :—Messrs. Turner, Tinne, Hill, Stewart, Plump'on, North, Moly - neux, Hodgson, and J. It. Lloyd. MARKETS COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL the Markets Com mittee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Pres ton, Birkett, Kilshaw, Rigby, Sheppard, Toulmin, Kaye, Middleton, and Aspinall. EDUCATION COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. HODGSON the Education Committee was constituted of the following : — Messrs. Molyneux, Chilton, Crook, Glazebrook, Harbord, R. Houghton, sen., G. H. Lawrence, North, Shaw, Shand, Kaye, G. G. Hornby, Swainson, Horsfall, and Hodgson. GAOL COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. GEORGE HAIL LAWRENCE the Gaol Committee was constituted of the following : Messrs. Hodgson, John Holmes, Hugh Hornbv, Aikin, R. Houghton, iuu., Sands, and the Mayor. TOWN• HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Sir THOMAS BRANCKER the Town-hall Establishment Committee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Brancker, Bushell, Hodgson, Moore, Swainson, Middleton, and the Mayor. HEALTH OF THE TOWN COMMITTEE. Upon the — motion of Mr. ASPINALL the Health of the Town, Washhouses, and Baths Committee was con stituted of the following :---Messrs. Blackburn, Birkett, Kaye, Chalmer, Elarbord, Houghton, sen., Lace, Kilshaw, Parker, Sheppard, Toulmin, Sotbern, H. L. Jones, Tinne, Brancker, Aspinall, and the Mayor. GARDENS COMMITTEE. The MAYOR : Have you any gentlemen to propose on the Gardens Committee? Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE : Poor Isaac Holmes ! Where is he?—(Loud laughter.) Upon the motion of Sir THOMAS BRANCRER the Gar dens Committee was composed of the following members —Messrs. R. L. Jones, Crooke, Robert Jones, Preston' Royden, Thornhill, and Henderson. BOROUGH COURT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. NORTH, the Borough Court and Court of Requests Committee was composed of the following :—Messrs. Proctor, Pemberton, Parker, Bushby, Thompson, Lace, Lloyd, and North. CHURCH EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. BIRKETT, the Church Expen diture Committee was constituted of the following mem bers :—Messrs. Griffith, Lace, Molyneux, Parker, Shand, G. G. Hornby, and Birkett. OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE. Upon the rnotionOFSiiTHOS. BRANCKER, the Ob servatory Committee was constituted of the following : Messrs. Aikin, Blackburn, Blundell, Chilton, R. Hough ton, sen., Nicol, Plumpton, Shand, and Hill. THE FIRE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. G. G. HORNBY, the Com mittee for the Preservation of Property from Fire was con stituted of the following :—Messrs. Nicol, Sir T. Brancker, Aikin, Stewart, Shand, G. G. Hornby, Turner, Bushby, Swainson, and Sands. FERRY COMMITTEE. The Special Committee appointed, on the 3d of April last, to take into consideration, and report upon, the more effective regulation and management of the Ferries, Ferry-boats, and Landing-places, was. upon the motion of Mr. NORTH, composed of the following :—Messrs. Aikin, Wood, Royden, Blackburn, Stewart, Mann, and North. APPOINTMENT OF ANNUAL OFFICERS. Thomas:Corrie, Receiver of Town-dress; Mr. Askew, Water-bailiff; Lloyd, the Deputy-bailiff; and Mr. Comb, and another, Sub-bailiffs, were re-appointed to their res pective offices for the ensuing year. The Council adjourned at four o'clock, for the despatch of the remainder of the business on the summons paper to morrow. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, SlR,—The other day, while sauntering along the streets, thinking of nothing, my reverie was disturbed by the loud talking of two men, which was wound up by one telling the other that John Snooks was a regler humbug. This instantly diverted my thoughts into a new channel ; I had scarcely time to consider what humbug really was, ere my attention was again arrested by hearing a lad say to an other, " Never mind him, Bob, he's only humbugging you." A little further on, I observed two women stand ing by a gin shop, wiping their mouths, " I tell you what," said one of them, " it's all humbug to say he can sell good stuff at that price." At the door of a charity school, a little girl stood yelping and crying, I inquired what was the matter, she said, ' it was all hnmbug sending her to school; she couldn't, and she wouldn't learn her letters, and she'd tell her mother so, when she got home." Well, thought I, this humbug is a curious thing, when I was once more aroused by a friend tapping me on the shoulder and saying, with a rueful countenance, " It's all up with me, that humbug, Sam Earwig, has humbugged me out of my money, by humbugging me into buying his cursed jerry-built houses." I had just fairly got into motion again, when I was accosted with, " Well, Dick Bore has humbugged me out of my vote by the promise of a £5 note, and he actually laughed in my face when I told him he was a downright humbug. ' Why,' said he, with a vicious grin, ' you surely are not so jolly green as not to know that electioneering is sheer humbug from beginning to end ?' " So, thought I, I'll just get out of this hum bug, and take a cup of coffee. I had just raised the be verage to my lips, when a customer said to the waiter, " Why, you confounded humbug, what the d—l do you call this stuff ? it's nought but chicory." I involuntarily dropt the cup, and rushed out of the house. Humbug ! humbug ! I thought I, the world is surely made op of humbug. Men do not go courting, but they humbug their sweethearts, and wives humbug their husbands. Merchants and tradesmen make their money by humbug • the statesman gets on by humbug; the newspapers keep up party spirit by humbug; clerks progress with their employers by humbug; books are puffed into sale by humbug; lawyers humbug their clients till they humbug them out of the oyster; speeches in parliament are all humbug ; the very children take in humbug with their mothers' milk. I have always blundered on in a straight forward course, and been soundly humbugged, and yet never seriously thought of humbugging in return; 1 must begin ; upon whom shall I make the first essay ? W. G. P. Toxteth-park, sth November. BUILDING SOCIETIES. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SlR, — Among the many and various schemes that the mania for joint-stock companies has engendered, none have been more successful (in obtaining shareholders at least) than Building Societies. This is not to be won dered at when we consider the smallness of the monthly subscriptions, and the other inducements held out to that class of the community least able to detect the fallacies of their delusive reports. That too many of these societies are mere gambling speculations, without the fairness of games of chance, is easily proved ' • for what other name can b e g i ven t o pro jects, where three-fourths of the profits are dependent on the chance of the poorer shareholders being unable to pay up their subscriptions. It would occupy too much of your columns to copy a prospectus, but they all promise the same thing, viz.,— that for every 10s. paid monthly, or £6 a year, for a term of ten years, £l2O will be returned at the expiry of that time—thus doubling the capital. That this is impossible, unless by means of fines and forfeitures, the following calculation will show ; and as it would be invidious to name anv particular society, I will suppose an imaginary one of 200 shares : X. s. d. 200 shares, at 10s. each per month, is £lOO ; this monthly for ten years is And they promise that the profits will be 12,000 0 0 Thus in ten years the stock will be.. 24,000 0 0 But £lOO paid monthly for ten years, with interest and compound interest at 5 per cent. (deducting the very moderate sum of £5O a year for printing, stationery, se cretary's salary, and other expenses,) will only amount to 14,824 12 0 Leaving a deficiency of.. £ 9,175 8 0 The above calculation is far too advantageous to the society, as I have made it on the supposition that each payment bears 5 per cent. interest from the very day it is paid—that they borrow no money—that all their securi ties are perfectly good—that they have no lawsuits, and of course no law expenses—and, indeed, that they suffer no losses of any description. Now every one conversant with these societies is aware that they are all subject to one or other of the above drawbacks. Had I allowed for them, the balance would have been considerably more. But, with all these advantages, there is a deficiency of £9,175 ; and how is it made up ? By fines and forfeitures. The tines are heavy, and increase in geometrical progres sion ; in some societies they amount to one thousand per cent. per annum. The tradesman who, " from being out of work, sickness, or other causes, " neglects for some months to pay up his subscriptions, finds, upon returning to the society, that they have a balance against him of fines, fines for nonpayment of fines, &c., &c., far above his means to discharge. He perhaps struggles on for a few months, but, finding the balance still increasing, re tires in despair. Consequently, all his previous payments are forfeited, and go to swell the pockets of his richer neighbours, who, in solemn conclave assembled, report that the society is in a very flourishing condition ! As to the borrowers, so far as I have had an opportu nity of observing, they do not pay much above 5 per cent. for the money (always supposing that the society only lasts ten years). Thus they are pretty safe ; and, as the Scotch say, if they are pleased lam pleased. The Chi nese have a proverb, " He that borrows to build, builds to sell ;" and I doubt many will find the truth of it who have borrowed money from Building Societies. And woe to them should the societies last eighteen or twenty years ! They can easily calculate what their pro perty will cost them in that case. That some of them will last that time, or even longer, 1 firmly believe, and hereby prophesy. Your obedient servant, NEWMAN NOG GS. THE EARL OF DERBY v. THE IMPROVEMENT OF LIVERPOOL. " No obstacle shall be thrown in the way of this railway on my part ; on the contrary, if absolutely necessary, they may make a tunnel beneath my very drawing-room.- Marquis of Bristol's an- swer to the application from the direct London and Norwich Rail way.—Bury Journal far October, 1844. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SIR,—We have it as a tradition, that ever since the death of the great Lord Strange, the house of Knowsley has invariably set its face against improvements likely to benefit our good old town. It is singular that such be the case ; for if the interests of that family are not identified with the pros perity of Liverpool, th e y are, certa i n l y , greatly enhanced by it. It was to the continuance of this feeling that, in more modern times, a grand improvement, from Temple-court through Stanley-street, was frustrated, and that the di rectors of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway were constrained to make their line to the south end of the town. It is now currently reported, that the great Baron Stan ley, despite of his unquestioned ability, is tinctured with the same narrow spirit ; and that he is determined to op pose any railway approaching the town from the north ward. What would his lordship think of the Marquis of Bristol's saying on a like occasion, and which I have pre fixed to my letter ! I should hope, however, that the noble baron, in justice to his own character, will reconsider this rash resolve, and adopt a course more befitting s conspicuous and lead ing member of the administration of this great commer cial country. If not, the only plan will be for the commercial men of Lancashire themselves to bring their case before parlia ment, and ascertain whether the legislature will, at the instance of any great landed proprietor, however power ful from property or connections, refuse to grant to Li verpool such great public improvements, as they have shown that they are anxious to extend to all other parts of the country. If we cast our eves over the river and see with what zeal and unanimity the landed gentry there co-operate with the enterpii,ing mercantile men at Birkenhead in every project calculated to advance the interests of that place, we cannot but be struck with the contrast in the conduct of the landed gentry on this side of the water. At such a time Liverpool has most to fear from the apathy of those who ought to be most active and energetic in lay ing open her resources at the great north western part of the kingdom. To oppose, or to be neutral, as to further railway accommodation or extension for Liverpool, is in effect to play into the hand of her rival (so to call it) young Birkenhead. As you, sir, have stood forth manfully in support of townside interests, when others were disposed to quail, I shall confidently rely upon the insertion of this letter. I am, sir, Your friend, A DICKEY SAM. Liverpool Nov. 1, 1844. .._ _ P.S.-- 1 I perceive that the Earl of Derby has just given £lOO towards the intended parks at Manchester. Will any of your numerous readers point out an instance of equal liberality from the house of Knowsley towards a Liverpool public improvement ? SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. MANCHESTER-FRIDAY EVENING. DERBY. Out of a multiplicity of offers at the room to-day, we only saw some solitary bet accepted, namely, 500 to 10 about Cabin Boy, his backer signifying a wish to perse vere at like terms. In other respects, so fleeting and visionary has been the business altogether since Tuesday, and the offers to-day in almost every particular were so nearly assimilated to the London prices, that a further recapitulation of what was done would be superfluous. TATTERSALL'S-THURSDAY. The flatness of business yesterday afternoon marked the commencement of the winter season, and promises to lighten our occupation at the " corner" for some eight or ten weeks to come. The fluctuations were few and slight, reauiring no other notice than is contained in the following table of prices at the close : DERBY. 10 to 1 agst Mr. Greville's Alarm. 16 1 Col. Anson's Kedger. 25 1 Lord Chesterfield's Newsmonger.—t. 25 1 Lord Stradbroke's Idas. 25 1 Col. Peel's Cobweb colt. 25 1 Mr. John Day's Old England. 28 1 Mr. Heseltine's Fitz Allen.—t. 28 1 Mr. Winteringham's Rebecca colt.—t. 33 1 Mr. Mostyn's Pantasa. 35 1 Mr. Coleman's Young Eclipse. —t. 35 1 Mr. Gully's Weatherbit.—t. 40 1 Duke of Richmond's Laird of Cockpen.— taken. 40 1 Mr. Mostyn's Black Prince. 50 1 Lord Glasgow's Miss Whip colt.—t. 2000— 35 Col. Cradock's Jinglepot.—t. 2000— 30 Mr. Lintott's Cabin Boy.—t. 3000 to 50 each was laid agst Jinglepot and the Miss Whip colt, in one bet. OAKS. S to 1 agst Mr. Worthington's Lancashire Witch.—t. 10 1 Duke of Richmond's Refraction. THE LATE MR. CROCKFORD'S ACCOUNT. At a general meeting of the Jockey Club, on Friday last, it was resolved "That the account of the late Mr. Crock ford must be settled on the first Monday in December, on a guarantee being previously given, by some person duly authorised, that the bets due from Mr. Crockford shall be paid in full ; and after that time all persons re fusin - to pay shall be considered defaulters, and treated accordingly." THE ALTCAR COURSING MEETING, NOVEMBER 7th and Bth, 1844. The meeting, owing to the inclemency of the weather, was not quite so numerously attended as had been ex pected. There was, however, a considerable number on the ground. The sport was excellent, and the decision of the Judges gave general satisfaction. We subjoin the return : THE Cur.—Mr. Clowe's Cataract heat Mr. Standish's Snake, and divided the stakes. SEFTON STAKES.—Mr. Shaw's Shamrock beat Mr. Ridgway's Rokeby, and won the stakes. CROXTETH STAKES.—Mr. Wynne's Baroness beat Mr. Clowes's Countess, and won the stakes. WEST DERBY STAKES.—Mr. Wynne's Baron beat Mr. Swan's Strike-a-light, and won the stakes. HUNTING APPOINTMENTS. Sir W. M. STANLEY'S Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at Bebbington Friday, 15, at .. . Upton . . At eleven. Sir W. NV. WyNN's Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at . Friday, 15, at Saturday, 16, at.. At half-past ten. The CHESHIRE Hounds will meet on Bryn y-pyg • bolt Nescliffe Wednesday, 13, at Tatton Park Thursday, 14, at . Arley Saturday, 16, at At half-past ten. EXPORT OF HORSES.—Two mares, " Our Nell" and " Crucifix," both winners of the Oaks, and the latter also of a 2,000 guineas at Newmarket, with "King William," an entire horse, from the neighbourhood of Darlington, were shipped last week for Hamburg, from this port, for the King of Prussia. Six mares and geldings, forming a portion of the racing stud of the Earl of Northumberland, have also been despatched from this port, for Berlin, where a number of British sportsmen are about to assem ble. The celebrated horse Sheet Anchor, winner of the Portland Handicap, and many other large stakes, left this port yesterday morning for Brunswick, for the Duke of Brunswick.—Hull Herald. CLOSING OF THE SHOPS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.---"A, meeting of the woollen-drapers and grocers' assistants residing in the neighbourhood of St. James-street, was held, on Thursday evening, at Mr. Urmson's, Duncan street, for the purpose of considering the best means of procuring the benefits derivable from the seven o'clock closing of the shops. Mr. J. B. Jackson, in the absence of the chairman of the district at another meeting, was called upon to preside. After a few remarks upon the object of the meeting and the favourable state of public opinion upon the movement, he called upon Mr. Carr to move the first resolution, to the effect, that the rapid progress of the seven o'clock closing of the shops called upon them to use their utmost exertions to obtain for that neighbourhood the benefits now enjoyed in other portions of the town. Mr. Roberts eloquently seconded the resolution, which was agreed to unanimously. Mr. Whippam moved, Mr. Frazer seconded, and Mr. White man supported the second resolution, appointing a depu tation to confer with the district committee cf the Asso ciation of Assistant Tradesmen. Mr. W. B. Jones arrived as the meeting was about to separate, and spoke, for a few minutes, in his nsual practical and energetic strain. Thanks were voted to the chairman, and the proceedings terminated at half-past ten. HUGUENIN'S GYMNASIUM..--M. Huguenin has re moved his gymnastic establishment from Cook-street (on account of the premises being about to be pulled down) to the Commercial Hall, over the Railway Station, and cer tainly no building could be found in the town more ad mirably adapted for such a purpose. The Railway Sta ttoiownn. is considered, Itis only sixw e minutes' believe, from the N i - n er Y th e e Exchange ene and Custom-house, and is the largest room in Liverpool, being capable of holding 2,000 persons. Although the building is used on Sundays as a place of worship for the Irish Presbyterians, M. Huguenin's machinery is so well arranged that it can be taken down or refixed with ease in an hour or two. No boxing or smoking is allowed in the room, and every means are taken to keep it perfectly se lect. To ladies coming from the upper parts of the town it is also remarkably well situated. For the convenience of parties attending the room, we understand it is in con templation to arrange a small refreshment room. The TEETH have ever been considered as forming one of the most pleasing ornaments of the human counte nance, and their preservation demands our utmost—care and attention. Indeed, if there be any loss that more particularly affects the countenance than another, it is that of the Teeth ; which the Dentist; however ingenious, must ever vainly hope satisfactorily to replace by artificial contrivance. The DECAY of the TEETH and GUMS arises from various causes • but, principally, it may be attributed to e ar ly neglect, ill health, or the use of Tooth Powders containing mineral substances and deleterious acids, which give temporary whiteness to the Teeth, while they corrode the enamel. To this fact, indeed, is princi pally to be attributed the long Botanical Research, which was happily terminated by the most felicitous discovery transmitted ever given to th '''world for the PRESERVATION of the TEETH, Gum and BREATH, viz.—ROWLAND'S from ODONTO, Orients r P b E s A withß L yeunusual pE N T care ß IF ; I andEd to this country at great expence, ROWLAND'S ODONTO is no less distinguished for its powerfully efficacious, anti dotal, and purifying virtues, in immediately arresting caries, or decay in the Teeth, than for its stimulative properties in fixing them (when loose) firmly in their sockets, and in giving a healthy redness and firmness to the Gums. Its corrective properties are in particular most pleasingly displayed in respect to the BREATH—to which it imparts a sweetness and fragrance not a little gratifying to is possessor. As the most efficient and fra , grant aromatic cleanser of the Mourn, TEETH, and Gums ever known, ROWLAND'S ODONTO has now for a lorg series of years occupied a distinguished place at the Toilets of the Sovereigns and the Nobility throughout Europe, while the general demand for it at once announces the favour in which it is held by the public at large. It should never be forgotten, that when used early in life, it effectually prevents all aches in the Teeth and Gums— effaces all Spots and Discoloration whatsoever—eradicates Scurvy—and, in a word, soon realizes the chief attribute of Health and Beauty—A BEAUTIFUL SET OF TEETH ! Price 2s. 9d. per Box. The " Genuine Article" hai i ih S: Nr - a words "A. 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