The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-12-10 00:00:00

MEETING OF THE DOCK COMMITTEE 7 The weekly meeting of the Dock Committee was held sesterdaY• The following members were present,—Messrs. t lds, (chairman,) Horsfall, Barclay, Holt, Holmes, Mellor Smith, Bulley, Aiken, Chapman, Evans, Moly -44, Nicol, Ripley, and Tobin. ERECTION OF SHEDS. h„ l : he SURVEYOR (who was absent through severe indis "gltion) sent in a report, which was presented by the sub ct'eUnittee of works, of the number of lineal yards of sheds S erec ted upon the d oc k qua ys within the last t we l ve mon th s . report was made in compliance with a motion made at the : 4 meeting by Mr. Chapman. The document stated, that I"via December, 1840, to May, 1841, there had been 127-i V, erected, and from May, 1841, to December, 1841, 1 Yards, making a total of 530 yards, within the last "elve 7950. months. The cost of these had been £l5 per yard, THE SHIP LADY FALKLAND. f ol The SOLICITOR submitted the case which he had laid be , Counsel, on the question whether the committee had i Vver to return Messrs. Rankin, Gilmour, and Co. the dues upon their ship the Lady Falkland. The opinion of a_!sars. Cresswell and Crompton was, that under the earlier 11 ',. 1 ! relating to the affairs of the docks the ship was liable, 0 1 !°er the circumstances, to pay dues, and they did not think was exempt from them by the 100th section—that the runittee had no discretionary power as to exemption from dues, and that they would not be justified n returning ` 4 e money paid in this instance. A:Mr. ATKIN observed that the committee had only taken ;7 4 Opinion out of deference to opinion out of doors, but it bo a! clear from the act of parliament that the committee had 'Power to return the money. The FROM TIIE F I NANCE COMMITTEE. ,rhe C HAIRMAN state d t h at h e h ad rece i ved a commun i- Vic% from the Finance Committee of the Town Council i!e4 the 3d December, containing an application from • i 'llam Hughes, for many years i n the service of the com mitteereaitee as a cle an e r o f grav i ng d oc k s , f or ano ther situation, Having been removed in consequence of the alterations 51 0 w being made. A testimonial from the south Harbour aster accompanied the application.—Referred to the Sur -4YOr, with a recommendation to employ the applicant upon tit occasion. jebe CHAIRMAN s a id, he had received a note from M r . f v frge Hall Law r e n c e , c hairman of the Finance Com m itt ee p` the Town Council, requesting the Dock Committee to l e ansider the matter, proposed a few days ago, as to the 'iteration of Seacombe slip and the building of the slip ZP_Posite the intended new dock. The corporation slip at ' f fenabe would cost very little, as compared with the other. tifkr. AIKIN had intended to call the attention of the com p,!ttee to this subject, because it arose out of a question he C j t Yesterday in the Town Council, to know what progress th e Finance Committee. The reply of the chairman of the Fi ,.'ffe Committee was that they could not move in the matter *tit they had received a reply from the Dock Committee. f believed that no definite proposal had been made to the Do ck Committee; but at an interview between the Finance t amittee and the Dock Commiitee, it was mentioned that the Finance Committee would be glad if such an arrange ' eta acould be made as this ; that they should proceed to Ong tecute the work at their own expense upon the understand that hereafter, when the Dock Committee came to make t!fir slip as required by t h e l as t act of parliament, they wou ld ear half the expense of one, if the Dock Committee would, V r ie meantime, bear half the expense of the other. He . Aikin) had tnken the liberty o f saYing, as the Seacombe ,1 ) was that of the e corporaton e , corporation, it was their business. and „"e Dock Committee ought not to make an arrangement so 41 nplex as this. Hereafter it might become a question * hethe r the new works would not enable the Dock Com mittee to make the works without any slip a t a ll, w hi c h ;; 3 ald save the expense ; but when the pe r i o d came t o ma k e e Slip, then would be the time to open this very difficult b estion with regard to them. He need not tell the corn -I.4ittee t this clause was introduced into the act contrary to thew hes of the delegates from it, and, as they believed, etantrary to just and sound principle. Therefore, he would I„ l ,°flely recommend the Dock Committee to decline enterin t 0 the any arrangemen t, an d t o i ns t ruc t th e i r secre t ar y t o write tile Finance Committee, saying that this committee did n ot feel authorised to enter upon it negociation. Mr. HO&SFALL said the Dock Committee must have a no t proposal from the Finance Committee, for it would : i at d o to pass a genera l reso l ut i on upon a matter of which o leY were not informed. His own impressio n o f th e li a bility this committee was somewhat different to that of Mr. i i: 1 : 1 11, and perhaps it was more necessary on th a t acco un t t the matter should be laid formally before them. Mr. EVANS did not think the Dock Committee could have : 111 Y definite idea of the question, until it was brought for 's,.lly before them. i e M rer. AIKIN said that what he had the stated was the fact, and r ,peated the proposal made on part of the Finance ' f nunittee. He objected to it on the ground that the Fi bailee Comm asking the hereafter omm they ittte wouldpay h alf the expense o f th e s li p , w h en , i n hi s b e li e f , i t was t h e i r m eantime in justice and e qu ity to b ear th e w h o l e ex p ense . I n the '' , antime the Dock Committee had nothing to do with the l'esent slip, that was the business of the town, and the Du ck Committee neither ought, nor had they the power to en ter into any such arrangement. With all deference to Mr. 4 1_ 1 %1414 he begged to repeat his suggestion. Mr. HORSFALL rather differed with Mr. Aikin as to the lability of this committee. His impression was, that both pre liable to a certain extent. The act of parliament, he ° tight, said it should be done by one party or the other. i f Tr. AIKIN said it was so, but with the understanding that • ...Suould be matter - of arrangement hereafter. Mr. EVANS suggested that the committee should not give Ideflnite answer now, but wait another week, and he should .7Fornmend the members, in the mean time, to make them 'elves 'acquainted with all the circumstances. „ Mr. H ORSFALL a l so t h oug ht i t wou ld b e muc h b etter f or th e la committee to decide when the subject was formally before em. 1. 1 : 1; further cons ideratio n o f th e m atter was then deferred %uni t , a communication has been received from the Finance `"%rnittee, stating what they are prepared to do. APPLICATIONS FOR ACCOMMODATION. Messrs. M'Artbur and Co. applied for a berth to be set Dart for the use of their Glasgow traders, at the north-east "r l n er of George's Dock .— De"lined. s e i 4 essrs. Todd, Naylor, and Co. applied on behalf of them ). 'e3 and others, for the lea s e of about 2000 s q u ar e yard s of rdid, to th e nortlrof Messrs. Cato - and ' Co.'s slip and-ship td ng yard. for the purpose of erecting machinery for Crushing and sampling copper ore for the market. This q l .l 3 lication had previously been submitted by the sub-com raittee of work, to the surveyor, who reported that 2000 Yards of land could not be granted on any part of the dock e ftate, unless it might b e a t the east end of the south basin. Referred to the sub-committee of works. An application from Messrs. Prescot and Mongredier for Permission to erect a shed or warehouse upon the vacant htround on the east side of Queen's dock, was declined. ese gentlemen were subsequently introiuced, and laid their ease before the committee, but with the same result. SEWERAGE MAP. _ The commissioners for paving and sewering„ presented the ~,? ultnittee with a copy of their map, showing the sewerage of :pe town. A letter of thanks was ordered to be written to t ae commissioners. DAMAGE TO THE BELL BUOY. Messrs. Rankin, Gilmour, and Co. apprised the corn -I.l,littee that the damage done to the bell buoy by their ship re Importer," (not " Reporter," as we stated in our S at), was purely accidental. Mr. IIoLT remarked that the weather was perfectly calm at th e time.—Referred to the sub-committee for the depart tnent of the marine surveyor. SIR. WALKER AND MR. CUBIT, ENGINEERS • The CHAIRMAN announced, that in compliance with the r esolution of the last meeting he had written to Mr. Walker and Mr. Cubit, the eminent engineers, inviting them to Li v t erpool to give their opinions upon the respective plans for he intended increase of dock accommodation. Th e SECRETARY read letters from these two gentlemen, s tating that they would confer with each other, and give the !'°oritinittee the earliest intimation of the day they would be lu Liverpool. After a short conversation it was resolved that the en gineers should meet the committee of works in the first in stance, and afterwards state their opinions before the general committee. SHIPBUILDING YARDS Nlr. CHAPMAN asked whether anything had been done 'with regard to the applications from some of the shipbuild ers who had been dispossessed ? He observed from a state 'bent of the surveyor that there might be available land at the east corner of the boundary dock. It struck him that the land to the south of Messrs. Cato's yard, which was now ecupied merely with timber for the dock-yards, might be oette r employed. Being next to the river it was valuable, 51 1 d if the timber were removed from it, it might be made ii vailable for the accommodation of some of.:the shipbuilders, Who certainly had a prior claim to it, if it could be granted. It W as a very great hardship upon them to be altogether deprived of yards. The CHAIRMAN said the subject had been brought before the Sub-committee of Works, but as the Surveyor was un well the consideration of it was deferred. He was still un well, and, therefore, could not be consulted. INVICSTIGATION BY THE REVENUE COMMISSIONERS Mr. Rug,Er, before the committee separated, wished to make a few remarks upon a subject which was now occupying a great deal of the public attention. The committee were aware that Lord Granville Somerset was coming here to morrow, (Friday) Saturday, and Monday, for the purpose of inquiring into the best means of facilitating the trade of the port. All the mercantile associations had received invi tations to attend upon his lordship, and to make such sug gestions to him as might be likely to lead to an improvement in the trade of the port. The other day, in the East India Association, he (Mr. Ripley) propoed that the warehouse question should be mooted, as one that would facilitate the trade of the port more than any other. All other questions, nn his opinion, were of minor importance compared with that. It had been, he believed, objected to in some of the other associations ; but upon that point the East India Association were unanimous. He suggested that a deputation from this entnmittee should wait upon Lord Granville Somerset, to Point out the advantages of the new system to be introduced, la order that, upon some future occasion, if the committee had to pray for additional accommodation in warehouses, they might hare the support of government, without which they would probably fail. It was now admitted, even by its °Pponents, that the warehouse system would facilitate gene ral ; and he thought they ought to wait upon Lord tsranville Somerset to point out its advantages. The CHAIRMAN said he had that morning spoken to the mayor (as we understood) upon this subject, and asked whe ther, in his opinion, the Dock Committee ought not to repre sent to Lord Granville Somerset the propriety of making aome alterations in the mode of discharging vessels, by pay ing the landing waiters not at present but by the piece, as they were paid some twenty years ago. Mr. BARCAAY said they had been paid by the piece within the last few years. _ _ Mr. FIOLMES explained that at first they were paid by fees, then half by fees and half by the work done, and now they were paid entirely by a fixed salary. Mr. lIHRSFALL said that very great efforts were made at °ile time to restore the old system, but there was a strong feeling on the past of the government that it exposed the re eilue to some risk, and, therefore, they would not concede I t. It certainly worked well, and if it could be restored it 11 0uId be to the advantage both of the revenue and the port. The CHAIRMAN observed that, in his opinion, it would be e qual to a new dock. Mr. AIKIN said the old system was not without its disad vantages. It was in practice when he was a boy ; the ex ninle then set to boys was exceedingly bad and dangerous, 811 (1 he was apprehensive that if the system of fees was re- St ored it would bring back with it the same habits. He sug gested that if the landing-waiters were at work by day-light great deal more work would be done. But if lie were re quired to appear before the commissioners, he would trace ev ery one of the complaints now made up to one source;— n ,c, eth er delay, plunder, or damage—all arose in consequence °f being obliged to weigh upon the quay. Mr. H oRSFALL sa id this was an important point. Mr. EvANs thought it might be very well to make a lodg int upon the counter-scarp of Lord Granville Somerset's 431 ,,° ,1 , and win his first affections. It Some further conversation followed, at the end of which was resolved that a deputation be appointed to wait upon uhe commissioners. By a subsequent resolution the Chair -4". Mr. Ripl e y, M r . E vans and Mr. Aiken wer e a ppointed the deputation. —The committee then separated. THE EXCHEQUER BILL CASE.—On Tuesday Mr. Phillips 4 t !plied to the Recorder for the discharge of Rapallo forth ‘vlth• After a considerable conversation between the coun sel, the r ecor d er, and the solicitor to the t reas ury , the appli cation wasacceded to, and the prisoner was discharged. THE WEST INDIA MAIL STATION. We resume this subject from our paper of Friday last; and, with a view to contrasting the relative advantages of the two ports—Southampton and Liverpool—to which alone it is necessary to direct our enquiries, we shall proceed by arranging the facts under the several heads that involve the entire of the question, in a general, and more particularly, a nautical point of view—namely, Ist, Access ; 2nd, Advan tages for landing and embarking the mails and passengers and the repairs of ships and engines ; 3rd, Relative position, communication, and commerce, as regards the West Indies ; 4th, Comparative cost of fuel ; and sth, The advantages of, and possibility of finding, a suitable and convenient " port of call." 1.-ACCESS We have already briefly touched upon the respective facili ties of ingress and egress of the two parts, and have now to adduce an analysis of the evidence on that point, together with our own " experiences." Southampton,—The passage of " the Needles," in making a direct course, must be encountered both in running to, and in sailing from Southampton. " When I go to Southamp ton, I always take the Needles inside, but I could not ven ture to run through them in foggy weather," says Captain Moppett, of the steamer City of Limerick.—" I have known cases in which the weather was so thick that I could not with safety carry a large steamer from the Needles up to South ampton. I have myself been obliged to anchor inside the Needles, and unable to rue on through the bad fogs, which prevail a good deal on the south coast of Hampshire ; the land is low and swampy, and thire is the New Forest covered with trees • and where trees exist, there fogs hang and rains prevail. If I was approaching Southampton in thick wea ther I should certainly not attempt the Needles at all; there is very great danger in it ; • I should go round St. Catherine's Point, keeping a depth of twenty-two or twenty-four fathoms, stearing eastward, and by that means fall in with Dunnrose, or 'perhaps very near it; then I must go round to Spithead, and round the shoal there, and proceed to Southampton within the island. Even a Cowes' pilot would not attempt the Needles in foggy weather."—Mr. W. Walker, Queen's Harbour-master at Plymouth. " One great disadvantage to Southampton is that the Needles are generally capped, and not to be seen in thick weather."— W. Long, Esq., mer chant of.Portsinouth. " I would not venture to run for the Needles in thick weather, unless my position was clearly as certained. I have been obliged to go round the Isle of Wight instead of making for the Needles.—Lieut. Hosken, R.N., commander of the Great Western. " Vessels cannot go through the Needles at all times."—Lieut. C. Claxton, R.N. " The passage of the Needles is in many cases objec tionable, on account of the fogs that prevail, the very narrow ness of the channel itself, and, above all, the circumstance of the tide not running parallel to the Needles passage. It sets at angles with the channel: With an ebb tide there is great risk. We lost a man-of-war in the middle of the day in going in there ; she sheered. went on the bank , and was lost. The preva lent fogs on the coast of Hants are more dangerous on account of the character of the coast."— W. Walker. " I have seen the Needles in such weather that I would not take a ship through. In crossing the bridge at the Needles, the strength of the tide is immense, and there would not be room for a ship after breaking her sheer to come to again. The mail ships cannot sail at all times of the tide from Southampton. The Great Liverpool grounds at her moorings in Southampton water, at the last quarter ebb, and the first quarter flood. On one occasion she dragged the mud for a length of time in the centre of the harbour." Lieutenant Slaughter, in charge of the mails in the Great Liverpool, from Falmouth to Alexandria. [The grounding of the Great Liverpool is contradicted by a pilot's certificate offered by Captain Wood, but it is scarcely to be supposed that Lieutenant Slaughter could have been mistaken, as he was himself on board the vessel at the time.] " There are fogs in every port of the English channel after the rainy season, and they always last a long time."—Captain Moppett. Several of the witnesses concur in opinion that the ingress to Southampton is not sufficiently buoyed and lighted. Captains Maill, R.N., Claxton, and others, say :—A floating light placed on the westermost or " mist buoy." on the shingles, is required, to make the Needles a pretty certain passage ; and the light at Needle Point is too high, and frequently invisible. It ap pears also that there is considerable danger of collision in the English channel. There might be times of the weather when the steamers could not proceed to sea with the mails from Southampton, Dartmouth, Devonpbrt, or Plymouth.—Capt. Russell. Liverpool.—As regards the capabilities of the port for na vigation, Liverpool would be a good station for the West India packets. The Halifax steamers run from thence. Except at dead low water, in very low spring tides, (on 30 days only in the year) there is depth of water at all times for the Halifax steamers to come in and go out. The British Queen and President, which are much larger, have sailed from it, (drawing from 18 to 19 feet when loaded.) There is not an instance du►ing the past year of any of the Irish packets being prevented from leaving the port for want of water, or from the weather. Vessels are never kept from en tering the harbour from bad or foggy weather, and consider ing the number of vessels, there are fewer accidents than at any other port. Steam-boats can depart at all times, and in all weathers. Vessels from sea may run in at all times with out delay. There is a new channel to the entrance of the Mersey, opened on the 10th of October, 1839. The Victoria Channel is very easy, and extremely well buoyed and lighted. It has rather improved of late without being dredged. There is depth for large steamers. The number of vessels that passed through it in 18-10, was from 14,000 to 15,000, and no accident happened to any of them. At the dock gates there is 32 to 33 feet rise of the tide. The mail packets have fre quently arrived in thick weather at all times.—Lieut. Lord, Marine Surveyor to the Dock Trustees.—l like the new channel to Liverpool very well ; it is very easy of naviga tion, and well buoyed and lighted : they do the thing as they ought to (1o; it is buoyed and lighted well. There is depth for large steamers,—Captain Drew, one of the Elderßrethren of the Trinity House, and one of the Admiralty Committee. The same witness states, " Having made Cape Clear, there is no difficulty in running up the Bristol Channel ;" and we may add still less in running up to Liverpool, the prevailing winds being from the westward. The writer of this has come in from Dublin on a dark and hazy night, with perfect safety, and on one occasion, while on board the Duchess of Kent steamer, Captain Jones of that vessel, in proof of the admirable disposition of the lights, piloted her so correctly in the channel from the outer light ship, that we successively passed every buoy on the starboard side, within a few feet of the paddle house ! The whole channel is equally well lighted all the way to Holyhead, as is also (with reference to a West In dia voyage), the south coact of Ireland from the Tuskar rock to Cape Clear, the point of departure. Compare this with the acknowledged fact that even a Cowe's pilot will not ven ture to take a ship into Southampton harbour in thick wea ther, and we establish a decided advantage over that port in accessibility and safety. As regards access to the port we need but add, as stated by Mr. James Aikin. merchant—" It is perfectly sufficient for the purposes of navigation ;" and by Mr. G. H. Lawrence, merchant—" The insurance at Liver pool does not indicate any peril coming in or going out." In our next article on this subject, we shall adduce the superiority which Liverpool possesses for landing and em barking passett►,;ers, &c., &c. THE LIVERPOOL TIMES Our contemporary the Liverpool Times is certainly the most pertinacious being it has ever been our fortune to en counter; and yet it is hard to say whether his pertinacity or his indiscretion is most damaging to the party which is afflicted with his support. So far as the defunct majority in the council is concerned in, the tardiness displayed in pur suing the claims of Liverpool to he the station for the West India mails, we had expressed our opinion,. and, havingdone so, were content to join our efforts with those of our fellow townsmen to repair past neglect by an earnest and combined attempt to procure a reversal of the temporary decision against our port which has been come to by government—if, indeed, any decision can as yet be said to have been made. Our contemporary, however, in the first instance, having endeavoured to depreciate our past exertions, humble we admit, to call the attention of our fellow-townsmen to this important question, and to magnify his own, professes on Tuesday his willingness to aid us in those which we are now making, " provided that we do not attempt to turn them to a factious purpose"—viz., that of throwing blame upon his pet " liberal" majority of the council, of which he is anxious to protrude himself into the situation of apologist-in-chief. Now, heaven help, say we, the body which has for its apo logist our blundering and indiscreet contemporary, the Liverpool Times ! " Save me from my friends" is a prayer which that body may well make ; and above all other, " Save me from the advocacy of the Liverpool Times !" For what does this indiscreet advocate put forth in its last ? Why this astounding fact, corroborative of all which we ever advanced as to the tardiness of the steps taken by the council upon this question. " We published above a year ago," exclaims the Times, led away from the consideration of the interests of its assumed clients by its absurd passion for the indulgence of self laudation—" We published above a year ago those parti culars respecting the contract of the government with the projectors of the line, and the course to be taken by the boats from Europe and back again, which the Editor of the STANDARD gives in his last Friday's paper," and which, we may add, so far as the mere particulars of the contract in question are concerned, most other journals from the Land's End to John o'Groats can equally boast of doing. But what of that, most excellent contemporary ? Flow much does that better your plea in behalf of the exertions used by the coun cil to make Liverpool the port of departure and arrival for those packets—setting aside for the present the indulgence of your own absurd vanity ? We will examine. Somewhere about, or above, a year ago, the fact that Go vernment had contracted for this line of packets was pub lished in the luminous columns of the Liverpool Times; and of course all the world, and all the talent and public spirit in it, which was at that remote date comprised within the liberal town-council of Liverpool, are readers of the Li verpool Times. And yet how long, we ask, was it before the said council was stirred up by the eloquence of the Li verpool Times to stir in the question ? Why, reader, not for six, or seven, or eight, or nine months afterwards ; for not a step did the council take until the Gth of May in the present year, when they appointed a committee for the pur pose ! Yes, the information and the eloquence afforded them by the Liverpool Times, added to some of our own, could never move them until the 6th of May 1841, nearly fourteen months after the original contract had been entered into, which was dated the 20th March 1840—eleven months after an Admiralty committee sate to consider upon the se lection of a port—and, as we have already stated, from six to nine months (for the date of that occurrence is at present apocryphal) after the Liverpool Times had enlightened their exceeding darkness upon the subject! We readily admit that when their attention had been called to it, the council took up the question with a zeal approaching to that which was becoming its impor tance to the interests of the port and the mercantile body of Liverpool. We give our fullest meed of praise to the exer tions and the valuable evidence afforded to the parliamentary committee by Mr. George Hall Lawrence himself, by Mr. Aikin, and by Lieutenant Lord. But, without pressing the question whether more evidence might not have been afford ed—whether, had the question been a dock-warehouse ques tion, more evidence would not have been afforded—we must reiterate our conviction that the exertion was made toe late! Memorials poured in upon government from Bristol, Pen zance, and other places, as we have shewn in a preceding article, during the sitting of the Admiralty committee—from the 3d to the 16th of July 1840 ; and did the council of Li veryool send in any such memorial? NO. And what, we ask, was the result of this neglect? Why, that in the par liamentary committee which government were induced to grant by these very memorials, the interests of the ports of Liverpool and Glasgow, and of the manufacturing interests of the North of England and of Scotland, were so inade quately represented as we have shewn them, and as they must be admitted, to have been. The Channel ports, in fact, so far as weight in the committee went, had it all their own way. _ _ _ But we are told, and it was pressed by Mr. Aikin at the late council meeting, that the channel ports had the advan tage from the outset, owing to the terms of the original con tract entered into by government with the owners of the boats. We readily admit this, and as well that they were aided, as we shall spew in an article which will appear in our next, by a jobbing spirit which characterised and, we submit, tainted the evidence brought before the committee to sub- stantiate their claims (we allude to the evidence of Mr. Ward, an employe of the Southampton railway, and a contractor for the works at the port itself). But we cannot admit the va lidity of the argument of Mr. Aikin that, because of the con tract already existing between the government and a private company, Liverpool, or the Finance Committee to whom her claims are committed, ought to despair of effecting a change. For so far as the government itself is concerned, it must be remembered that it has already conceded the open_ nature of the question as to the selection of a port, and the haste and unadvisedness of the original contract as to its being in the channel, by the appointment of two committees, and b) the admission into the last of evidence in favour of Bristol, the West of Ireland, and of Liverpool itself. Once satisfied of the superior advantages of the latter, there can be no ques tion as to the power of government to win .or buy over the company ; and we are perfectly satisfied, and, indeed,' our columns of to-day afford ample evidence of the fact, that very little objections on the part of the company would be, or ought to be, offered to the change. THE LATE JOSHUA LACE, ESQ We briefly noticed in our last paper the death, in the 80th year of his age, of Joshua Lace, Esq., which took place at his house, in Little Woolton, on the morning of Thursday last; and we have now a melancholy satisfaction, in remem brance of the many excellencies of his character, as a father, a friend, and a Christian, in submitting the following short sketch of his long and useful life :—; Mr. Lace was born at Liverpotil in August, 1762, (the month in which the late King George the Fourth was also born,) and was the father of the legal profession of his nati'. town. He received his early education at Rainford, near Prescot, under the able tuition of Mr. Holden and Mr. Fos ter. The latter gentleman, who was the Latin master, having afterwards commenced an establishment at Little Woolton, the subject of this notice was again placed under his care ; and the pleasing recollections of his juvenile enjoyments and pursuits in that delightful locality induced him to select it as the scene of his final residence,—his house, which he de nominated " The Throstle's Nest," being about a quarter of a mile from the seminary where he completed his scholastic studies. At the age of about sixteen, he was indentured to Mr. Hut ton, solicitor, and principal assistant (or deputy) of Mr. Gildart, the then highly respected town-clerk. He served his term of seven years with much credit to himself, and from his diligence arid acuteness became a great favourite with Mr. Gildart in particular, who was wont to refer to him as a youth who would become an ornament to his profession. Even at that early age, such was the confidence reposed in him that he frequently acted as a partner, and also occa sionally as deputy coroner. At the close of his apprenticeship he contemplated commencing practice on his own account, and for that purpose took a suite of apartments in Sweeting-street; but his intention becoming known to the late Mr. Aspinall, and Mr. Roscoe, (afterwards so celebrated in the literary world,) who were then in partnership as solicitors, proposals were made to him to join them in the concern, which he accepted,—the firm being then " Aspinall, Roscoe, & Lace." In a few years, during which they were highly successful, Mr. Aspinall retired, leaving Mr. Roscoe and himself the sole partners. In the life of Roscoe it will be found that that distinguished scholar makes mention of him in a letter to his friend, Mr. Bewdy, of London, in terms of high commenda tion, stating that " he had made a most advantageous con nexion with Mr. Joshua Lace,• which -would leave him more leisure to devote to his favourite pursuits—literature and gardening." It may be remarked, that at this time Mr. Roscoe resided in a house in Lord -street, which, at the period alluded to, had a fine garden behind it, in which bloomed many fine plants and flowers. Mr. Roscoe after wards resided in a house at the bottom of Harrington-street, previously inhabited by the celebrated " merchant James," which (as well as two others) was gutted in 1774-5, during the riots of the sailors on the threatened reduction of their wages to 255. per month.* It may here be stated, that the late Mr. Munden, so highly distinguished in after life as a comedian, was, when a young man, contemporary, as a clerk at Mr. Gildart's office, with Mr. Lace, and that in his convivial moments the latter frequently related instances of dramatic drollery in the embryo aspirant for histrionic fame, in which he occasionally indulged in relaxing from the rigid discipline of the desk— to the infinite amusement of his graver associates. In furtherance of the new pursuits which he had chalked out for himself, Mr. Roscoe left the concern soon after Mr. Aspinall, and it was carried on by Mr. Lace himself, whose legal acumen, punctuality, and strict attention to the inter ests of those who employed him, earned him "golden opini ons of all sorts of men." He afterwards took as a partner Mr. Wm. 'Hassel, at the time secretary to Sir Benjamin Hammet, the celebrated banker, from London, who had here formed a banking establishment. The partnership was- ter minated in five years—the term of the original agreement— by Mr. Lace himself, on whom, from his active habits and early attendance at the office, had devolved the almost sole management of the concern. He was afterwards joined by Mr. Miller, and throughout a long professional life (of up wards of half a century, in all) he took others into partner ship, including, latterly, his two sons,—the firm being suc cessively, as circumstances dictated the prudence of a change, " Lace, Miller, and Lace," " Lace and Sons," " Lace, Sons, and Myers," " Laces, Clay, and Myers," and finally, as at present, " Laces, Myers, and Rigge." As a lawyer, Mr. Lace ranked amongst the foremost in his profession. Sensible, discriminative, and clear-headed,. he shrunk not from undertaking the most intricate and subtile cases, provided always they were of an honourable character; for, actuated by the strictest integrity, he repudi ated all, the proceedings in which might bear the remotest affinity to meanness or the employment of chicanery. To employ the language of a contemporary—the Mercury, which pays a generous tribute to his memory, in him " the strictest integrity was combined with the most polished suavity :" and when he considered a case untenable, no con sideration of certain individual emolument restrained him from a candid avowal of his opinion, and his advice of aban nonment. Upright in all, his sole aim was to obtain " justice," in the common sense, not merely in the " legal," and oft-perverted acceptation of the word. Thus guided, when he undertook a case, he became interested in it as warmly as if it were his own, and carried it out with a promptitude, decision, and ability that seldom failed to com mand success. By his undeviating adherence to the princi ples of strict probity and integrity—to him a natural and indomitable impulse, not a compulsory restraint—he con tributed, as much as any man living, to shed the lustre of respectability upon a profession unhappily too often rendered unpopular by the pursuance of a system discreditable to the practitioner, and not unfrequently ruinous to the client. Ever desirous to give all who were under him the full advantage of his own legal knowledge, and proud to witness their advancement in life, he had the enviable satisfac tion of having trained and educated in his office many of the most eminent men who now adorn the profession. Amongst these we may enumerate our present talented town clerk, Mr. Radcliffe, whom he was wont familiarly to call " Dick," and who, he prognosticated, would turn out an ac tive and discriminating man of business ; also Mr. Crook, late deputy town-clerk, Mr. Thomas Harvey, Mr. Carson, Mr. Miller, and Mr. Peel, (now Miller and Peel,TMr. John North, Mr. Latham Hanmer, jun., and many others. It is but justice to add, that he carried into public life that gene rosity of disposition that characterised him in private, and that he has often been known to devote his time and his ta lents to the interests of indigent but deserving clients as assi duously as to those of the wealthy, and without any charge but for the stamps to the requisite documents. At about the age of twenty-six, Mr. Lace married Marga ret, daughter of Mr. Griffiths, a timber merchant of Chester. By this—his only marriage—he had four sons, and five daughters, of whom two of the former, (now in the firm,) and three of the latter survive him. In private life Mr. Lace was all that could be desired as a parent, a friend, and a companion. Some years ago he gave up his town house in Camden-street to reside at Little Wool ton, where he had purchased an estate, the house on which he had previously enlarged, and occupied as a summer resi dence. Having latterly retired from the turmoils of business in the town, though he still pursued his professional duties at home, he there enjoyed himself in the bosom of his family. He had in earlier life imbibed a taste for agriculture and gardening (which was fostered to a considerable extent by his surviving brother, the veteran Captain Lace, now of Holt-hill) ; he devoted his leisure hours to those pursuits, and to reading, with a degree of ardour approaching to enthusi asm ; and his taste and perseverance as a horticulturist are sufficiently evinced by the vastly improved and tine condi tion of his garden and grounds. His active habits were as conspicuous in the family circle, in the autumn of life, as in his office when he was in the zenith of manhood ; and he was never seen to be idle, but constantly engaged in improve ments out of doors, in business, or in study. When profes sionally busy his manner was grave, approaching to austerity ; but, fond of enlightened society, he relaxed into cheerfulness amidst the numerous friends whom he drew around him, and, with a fund of anecdote and " experiences," contri buted much to the social and blameless pleasures of the fire side. He was never known to raise the rent of one of his tenants; and his charity and good offices to the unfortunate were extensive, but so unobtrusive as to be scarcely known save to the grateful objects of his benevolence. We may adduce one instance of this amiable trait in his character. An aged female who had lost her husband, was from five to six years in one of his houses without being required to pay a farthing of rent. It may, indeed, be said of him, that he was one of those who " did good by stealth, and blushes' to find it fame." The friend and associate of Roscoe, and also of his neigh bour the Rev, and learned Dr. Sheppard, (himself, however, a Protestant,) he advocated the prinCiples of civil and religious liberty, though he abhorred all reckless inroads upon the con stitution. He was also a patron of science, literature, and the fine arts ; and amongst his collection of paintings is the celebrated original picture by Fuseli, of the division of the territory of Wales, formerly in the possession of his relation and partner, the late Mr. William Roscoe. The affectionate attentions of his family " gilded the even ing of his life's decay," and he bore his last illness (an effu sion of water in the head, superadded to the growing infir mities of age) with a meekness and resignation becoming the closing days of the honest man and the good Christian. The affection of the head probably owed its origin to the latent effects of an injury received about 40 years ago, and which had nearly terminated fatally. On returning home from a journey to London, while the impress service was at its height, a num ber of persons, conceiving that the stage-coach in which he was seated, with others, was filled with sailors, cut the reins of the horses, as the vehicle was passing down London-read, and the horses set off at full speed down Shaw's-brow. Being alarmed for his safety, he opened the door, jumped out, and fell violently on the back of his head. He was so much hurt that his life was for some days despaired of, but being of a naturally strong constitution he apparently recovered his accustomed health. In compliance with his own wish, frequently expressed, but more particulary a few days before his death, that his funeral should be unmarked by any ostentatious display, he was followed to the family vault, Trinity Church, merely by his relatives and a few private friends, a list of whom he had prepared,—to the regret of numerous acquaintances, who, had it been otherwise, would have availed themselves of the occasion to pay the last sad tribute of respect to his memory as a man of sterling worth and unblemished reputation. * On this occasion, a large body of the rioters proceeded to the house of Mr. Lace's father, in St. Paul's-square, and knocking at the door, demanded to see" Merchant Lace ". Mrs. Lace being alarmed lest they should proceed to ♦iolence, opened the window only, and a parley ensued, (luring which she informed them (as was the fact) that Mr. Lace was in Manchester, but was expected horns on the following day. She also, to conciliate their forbearance, threw out amongst them the money she had in her pocket, to drink his health, and they—aware that he was averse to the proposed re daction of their wages, made the square resound with their hearty cheers for his long Ilfe and prosperity, and, with good humour, took their departure. PREPARATIONS FOR THE APPROACHING PARLIAMEN TARY CAMPAIGN.—A Stafford paper has the following : " Lord Melbourne.—During the past week his:lordship has taken equestrian exercise daily, accompanied by his steward, Mr. Fox." In addition we can state that HILLI-ONNEE PALMERSTON took a gallop last week, in the neighbourhood of Bridgeuorth, and, for so old a hack, looks and goes very well. ARREST OF A RESPECTABLE ROMAN CATHOLIC AT TILE Sure OF A PRIEST.—A circumstance has just come to our knowledge which is strongly corroborative of the fact, that few men in this world are worse treated than the Roman Catholics who voted for the miscalled liberal party. It ap pears that a respectable Roman Catholic who resides in this county, and who was considerably embarrassed, voted for the " liberal party" some years back, and for which he was per mitted to borrow a sum of money, on his bond, from a priest which money, it is alleged, was a portion of the suns paid by Mr. Raphael for the privilege of representing the county. This gentleman owed money to several Protestants, who gave him a security that he would not be sued for six months, in order to Ilford him every facility for arranging his affairs. Armed with these securities the gentleman proceeded to Dublin, confident of the friendship of the priest ; but, lo ! the good and pious man, in the interim, took proceedings, the gentleman was arrested at his suit, and he is now an in mate of the Sheriff's Prison, in Dublin / Such is the mer ciful, the tender, and the compassionate manner in which the liberal priest treated his friend, who was induced to vote against his own conviction, and in direct opposition to his interests, calculating on the pledges and the sacred promises of the priests and the Liberal Club !—Carlow Sentinel. MEETING OF THE BIRKENHEAD . POLICE COMMISSIONERS. A general meeting of the commissioners under the Bir kenhead poliCe act was held i❑ the • Town-hall, Birkenhead, on the evening of Tuesday, " for the despatch of business." Only 'about ten commissioners were 'in attendance. Mr. J. H. Green was called to the chair. ' Mr. MALLADY, the law clerk, read the proceedings of . the last general meeting. The books of the Finance Committee being produced, Mr. MALLABY said it appeared that no minutes had been made since those which were confirmed on the 14th Oct., or nearly two months ago. It certainly seemed necessary that some thing should be done to render that committee more efficient than it was. There was one entry in the book which, per haps, might account for subsequent meetings not having been held ; it was as follows :—" The Finance Committee beg to call the attention of the commissioners to specify what are their special duties; at present they only appear to be to exa mine the accounts ordered to be paid by different committees, and to see that they are correctly copied into the finance book." Mr. ATHERTON made some remarks about a sum of £lOOO having been expended, or ordered to be expended on certain streets by the Road Committee, without the intervention of the general body. _ _ STANSFIELD said it seemed to be supposed that the Finance Committee had under their control every item of expenditure from first to last. They had not that power ; their simple duty was one of routine, in casting up accounts and when they tallied to enter them in the book for that pur pose. The Finance Committee conceived they had not the power which tbey ought to have in their position. The CHAIRMAN wanted to know upon what authority the Road Committee bad ordered that £lOOO to be paid? In the first instance they recommended certain repairs to he done to the extent of £5O or £100; at the following meeting, the commissioners were recommended to pay another £lOO on account of the roads. Now, he complained that instead of this being an end of the business the Road Committee went on recommending one £5O after another, without permitting the general meeting of commissioners to know what the original account was. ' Mr. COLE said every account was sifted at the general board, and that the £lOOO had only been recommended, not ordered, to be paid. Mr. MALLABY said the question was what was the authority of the Finance Committee, and how their powers should be defined ? Every committee derived its authority from the general board, and either possessed powers of expenditure in itself in the ordinary course of its duties, or only upon specific occasions, which were to be stated by the general board. For instance the Road Committee should have power to keep in repair the streets without receiving any authority beyond their original constitutinn ; but if they laid out new streets, not township streets, then they ought to have a special authority from that board. This authority, too, should appear in the public minutes of the general board; and the chairman, when any order was made for the payment of money by the Road Committee, should refer to the minute of authority by which they are entitled .to spend that money. That should be the case also with the Lighting and Watching Committee. The supervising authority of the Finance Committee would then be this,—that as soon as every expenditure of the committee was laid before them they would refer to the authority to make it, and if they did not find any, the Finance Committee would refuse their sanction to it till they had reported it to, and received the sanction of, the general board. This course was reasonable and proper. The CHAIRMAN wanted to know the authority by which certain committees had paid sums of money. There was no check indeed upon any of the committees ; they might spend as much money as they pleased ; and all was passed by the general board, because the general board presumed they never did wrong. Mr. COLE said the Road Committee had gone no further, nor did they wish to go any further, than to recommend that a bond for £lOOO should be paid. The CHAIRMAN.—By what authority did you recommend this £lOOO to be paid ? ' Mr. COLE.—I tell you for the fourth time that we only re commended it to be paid. . The CHAIRMAN.—But you must have had some autho rity for that. Mr. MALLABY said, that in order to avoid any misunder standing in future, he would draw up a resolution which should go to define the duties of the Finance Committee. He then prepared a resolution embracing the substance of the re marks he had just made ; and after a short discussion it was carried. ROAD COMMITTEE'S PROCEEDINGS Mr. MALLABY read the proceedings of this committee. One order on the book was, that is 6d a yard be paid to Mr. Craven for paving some streets, in addition to the price con tracted for with him. Mr. FRY (we believe) called the attention of the commis missioners to this order, and asked whether the committee had power thus to exceed the contract ? Mr. MALLABY said, that as a general principle it was not usual • but he thought there were some circumstances in the case which would justify the course taken by the committee. Mr. Pat said there was a clause in the contract stating that an additional sum should be allowed, if Mr. Craven put in a certain description of stone. This was done, and he was paid the increased price —which, indeed, was provided for in the contract. Mr. MALLABY said, that from this, the increased price might be considered as comprehended in the contract. The proceedings of the committee were then confirmed. ARREARS. In reply to a question from a COMMISSIONER, who made some complaints upon the subject, it was stated that the ar rears due for paving the central streets, amounted to the sum of .£1,750 17s. 54d. Mr. MALLABY said it was most unjust to allow these arrears to remain unpaid. The effect of it was, instead of making the owners of property pay for new streets, to make the inhabitants lose the interest on their money. Mr. Pim said, if this was the fault of any body, it was the fault of the law-clerk. Mr. MALL ABY observed that the clause in the act of par liament intended that the owners of property should indemnify the commissioners for making streets, but not to pay interest on the money expended. NEW STREET Notice was ordered to he given to the owners and occupiers, that the commissioners intended to pave and sewer Cathcart street, with the view of adopting the same. CLAIMS ON" THE..COMXIASIONERS Mr. MALLABY said that Mr. Law had called upon him to state, that Mr. Fairhurst was determined to put his security into effect, unless the interest on the amount due to him was paid. When it was considered that interest had not been paid for a year and a ball, on the security which he held, it was not surprising that he should be pressing for its payment. He had also had a communication from the executors of the late Mr. Hetherington, whose interest was in arrear, and insisting on its being paid. If any funds were obtainable, they should be appropriated to these purposes, otherwise pro ceedings would certainly be taken against the commissioners. Mr. Prm asked whether a bond had not been ordered to be taken for Mr. Fairburst's amount? Mr. M ALLA.BY was understood to reply in the negative. Mr. FRY said he had a strong recollection of a bond having been ordered, and he should like to know why it had not been executed. A clerk in the office was called in, and he said the com missioners had ordered a bond to be prepared which Mr. Fairhurst agreed to take, but it had not been executed. Mr. MALLABY said he now recollected that a bond had been ordered, and the draft of it was prepared, but from some cause it had been overlooked. After some further conversation, the applications of the parties were referred to the Law-Clerk, to make the best arrangement in his power. THE CHURCH CLOCK Mr. MALLABY said he had received a letter'addressed to the chairman of the police commissioners by the Rev. Mr. Knox, the incumbent of the church, stating that three years ago Mr. Robt. Russell, in the name of the parish, requested Mr. Price to give a clock for the use of the parish, to be placed in the church-tower, and he did so on condition of the parish keeping it in repair. Mr. Cunliffe, the maker, undertook to keep it in repair for Xi a-year. lie (Mr. Knox) paid him the first bill, and when it was sent before the com missioners they refused to pay it back. It was clearly un just, under all the circumstances, to put this expense upon him year after year ;.and he now sent the account for three years to the commissioners, trusting that they would give an order upon their treasurer for its repayment. Mr. Mal laby concluded by saying, that he really thought, as the clock was fur the use of the parish at large, the commissioners ought to keep it in repair. Mr. COLE remarked that it was heard all over the parish. The CHAIRMAN asked the commissioners whether they would like one put up in Mr : Baylee's church? _ . . Mr. MALLABY said the clock had been put up at the ur gent request of the commissioners who got Mr. Russell to write about it. . _ The CHAIRMAN enquired whether there were any resolu tions upon the books stating that fact ? if there were not, the commissioners had nothing to do with it. Mr. MALLABY.—We ought to have a town clock. A COMMISSIONER. - But it ought to be upon the Town ball, if it is any where, Mr. PIM.—Who paid for it? Mr. MALLABY.—Mr. Price gave it to the town. Mr. PlM.—Then it is our clock, and that is the only way in which this charge can come to us. Mr. MALLABY:—YOU never can get a clock put into any public situation which will do the same good as this, because you can never get such a large bell attached to it. Mr. FRY said, he thought it a fair demand, and the dis charge of it ought not to be left to a private individual. He would, therefore, move that it be be paid. Mr. LAIRD seconded the motion. Mr, Pm said the motion should recognise the clock as the property of the parish. • Mr. FRY acquiesced in the suggestion. A COMMISSIONER asked whether Mr. Price could not take the clock down ? Mr. MALLABY did not think he could any more thiin he could move the church. He did not think he had power the either to take down the church or the clock. He had only a right to the pew rents. The church was recognised as the parish church in the act of parliament. The resolution was then carried unanimously. Some other business of a minor character was then dis posed of, and the proceedings terminated. PUBLIC MEETING OF THE TRADESMEN'S ASSISTANTS. A public meeting of the Tradesmen's Assistants engaged in all branches of trade was held last night at the Clarendon Rooms, for the purpose of petitioning the Mayor, Aldermen, and Council, to close the markets at six o'clock every eve ning except Saturday, and on that day at eight o'clock. Mr. FLOWER presided. The first resolution, " That the petition read by the chairman, addressed to the Mayor, Aldermen, and Council of this borough, praying the early closing of the markets, be adopted by this meeting, and that the committee of the Association of Assistant Tradesmen be requested to undertake the presentation thereof," was moved by Mr. NODDER, who impressed upon the meeting the importance of the early closing of the markets, in order that the trades men of the town may be enabled to comply with the petition of their assistants for an abridgement of the hours of labour. This resolution was seconded by Mr. CHARLES WILL HER, who expressed a hope that the council would take their petition into their favourable consideration. He said, he felt no doubt that they would do so, as the abso lute necessity of its being done, in order to carry out the desire of closing the shops , at seven o'clock, would appear to them self-evident. I he second resolution— " That this meeting cannot but express its deep regret that several wealthy tradesmen of this town, who had agreed to close their shops at seven o'clock, should have already for feited their pledge, that the respect of the servants can only be secured by the undeviating honour and good faith of their masters; and this meeting earnestly desires that, whether the petition agreed upon be granted or not, those gentlemen will perceive that the good work of human improvement will be forwarded by the fulfilment of their promise, and that the hopes of the whole body of the assistants are put in jeopardy by the course they have adopted" —was moved by Mr. SMITH, in a neat and pithy speech. Mr. C. W. CON NOR seconded it in a speech of some length and eloquence. He regretted that employers of respectability and influence should regard with such tenacity the non-compliance of some of the inferior class of tradesmen of not adhering to the regu lation of closing their shops at seven o'clock. He then con gratulated the meeting upon the sympathy of the public for the condition of the assistants, as expressed through the me dium of the press generally, and particularly through the columns of the STANDARD, Mercury, and Journal. The following resolution was then moved by M r . BOURNES That this meeting of the Tradesmen's A ss i s t an t s again appeals to the public of Liverpool for support in this plea sure, and earnestly and most respectfully exhorts all persons to abstain from frequenting the shops after seven in the evening, as the only means of rescuing a large class of their fellow-creatures from a system destructive to their health, dangerous to their morals, and subversive of the doctrines of pure religion." This Was seconded by W. B. Jones . in a most animated address. He aaid that in many towns in England the shops were already closed at the hour the assistants of this town seek. He mentioned Edinburgh, Glasgow, Hull, York, Chester, Huddersfield, and many others. Mr. Southworth spoke in support of the resolution. The resolutions were all carried unanimously. THE MURDER AT ST. HELENS . (From our own Correspondext) Sr. HELENS, THURSDAY MORNING The excitement produced in the town and neighbourhood of St. Helens by this lamentable occurrence has not yet much subsided, and it is still made the all-prevailing matter of conversation and conjecture. The enormity of the offence with which the whole district has been alarmed, is aggrava ted on the public mind by the yet apparent impossibility of tracing the crime home to the hardened wretches who per petrated it. The coroner's jury have met, but the evidence taken, impartially considered, merely gives rise to a vague suspicion that those in custody are the assassins. How ever, in order to give time for the produCtion of further evi dence, the inquest has been adjourned until next Tuesday. At ten o'clock on Tuesday morning last, John Heyes, Esq., coroner, arrived at the Gerard's Arms Inn, Denton's Green, where the body was lying. Here he was met by a most respectable jury, consisting of the following gentlemen : —Mr. Isaac Sharp, foreman, Mr. John Speakman, Mr. S. W. Clough, Mr. Taylor Stainer, Mr. George Webster, Mr. J. W. Glover, Mr. 0. Gregson, Mr. Wm. Hurst, Mr. John Ansdell, Mr. James Finney, and Mr. R. Baxter. The CORONER observed, that the jury had to inquire into the facts of a most atrocious and inhuman murder, which had been committed on the body of Henry Grayson ; and they would be convinced that he had been most barbarously used, because they must have perceived, on viewing it, that the body was mutilated in a dreadful degree. Several par ties were in custody on suspicion, and it was the duty of the jury to direct their attention► strictly to the evidence which would be brought before them, and decide on that as to whether any of those in custody were implicated,—taking care they were not influenced or prejudiced by anything they had heard out of doors. Evidence was then adduced as to the finding of the body, and as to the conduct of deceased on the previous evening; but the particulars did not differ in any material respect from those which we were able to furnish on Tuesday. We sub join the testimony of the surgeon and the police inspector : Mr. John Blundell, surgeon, living in Tontine-street, St. Helens, said he first saw the deceased on Sunday morning, when lying in UnsWorth's barn. He was lying upon some straw, and his clothes were very wet and muddy. His coat arid the two waistcoats he had on were torn on the right side. His smallclothes were torn near the right knee. His face was covered with blood, also much swollen and disfigured. The rigkt breeches-pocket was cut off, and the front part of his breeches unbuttoned. The right eye was ruptured, and part of the humour had escaped. When first he saw the body of the deceased, it was very much distended, and in a state of emphysema. He had made a post mortem examina tion of the body on Monday afternoon. There was a wound on the forehead which penetrated through the scalp a little above the nose, a contused wound through the scalp, and an abrasion on the pericranium, to the extent of two inches by an inch and a half, over the occipitol part of the left tempo ral bone ; but there was no fracture of the skull. On taking off the clothes of the deceased, the body presented the ap pearance of having been very much abused. There were several contusions on the anterior part of both hips ; also contusions over the left side, and very extensive ones over the right side and right shoulder. On dissecting the integuments from the chest he found a considerable quantity of extravasated blood in the cellular structures, cor responding with the bruises on the skin and the integuments. He discovered severe dislocation of the right shoulder for ward, and the head of the bone was lying on the pectoral mus cle, and resting on two of the ribs which were fractured. He thought the shoulder bone bad fractured the two ribs by the force with which it was carried forward. On opening the chest he found the lungs were collapsed, and there was a lacerated wound on the inferior lobe of each lung. On the right side the seventh, eighth, and ninth ribs were fractured, and about three ounces of blood lying in the pleural cavity. On the left side the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh ribs were fractured, and about four ounces of blood, extravasated, in the left pleural cavity. He had not con sidered it necessary to open the head, as the injuries done to the lungs were sufficient to cause death. The lungs were in a state of collapse, owing to the air having escaped into the pleural cavities, which would hinder the power of respiration, In his opinion the wounds on the head were inflicted with some blunt instrument, and the injuries to the ribs were pro duced either by pinching or jumping upon the body. It was possible that a man might live two hours after the lungs were punctured. If the deceased had been run over by a cart, the wheel must have passed right over him. There was no ec chymosis on the chest, and there would have been if a cart wheel had passed over him. Deceased was a stout muscu lar man for his age. Serjeant John Branwood, No. 354 of the county constabu lary, said on Sunday morning, about seven o'clock, he came up from St. Helens to Denton's Green, and found the de ceased lying in Unsworth's barn. After describing the situ ation in which he found deceased, he said his pockets were all empty, except one of the coat pockets behind, in which there was a small quantity of tobacco wrapped in paper. He afterwards gave information to Mr. Superintendent Storey, who accompanied him to the spot where the murdered man was found, and they examined it. He afterwards went with Mr. Storey to Rainford in his gig, and on returning they heard that the deceased was Henry Grayson. They called at deceased's house, and Mr. Storey went in to inquire if his family were aware if the deceased bad anything in his pos session which might have been taken and here afterwards identified. Witness remained in the gig, and shortly after Mr. Storey had gone, he saw Thomas Meadowcroft and Isaac Jacques coming round the corner of the barn. When they neared him he saw that Meadowcroft's trousers were dirty and bloody as he thought. He seized the men, when Meadowcroft threatened to strike him if he did not let them go. He called the superintendent to his assistance, and they were secured. Jacques asked wit ness what he was taking them for, when Meadowcroft replied, "Grayson lives here and I have neither murdered nor robbed him." Witness and Mr. Storey had only shortly before heard who the deceased was. Witness asked them where they had been, and Meadowcroft said to Prescot Lane ends, at a publichouse. Meadowcroft was in liquor. Wit ness asked Meadowcroft what the spot on his breches was — that he thought it resembled blood, but Meadowcroft said it was off the moss, for they had come across the moss—Jacques was going to have a brother married, and they were going to meet him. On searching Meadowcroft, they found on him, three sixpences, a pocket-knife, and a spike-nail. Witness thought the pocket-knife had a blood spot upon it. Meadow croft made great resistance on being hand-cuffed, and witness was obliged to get assistance. As they were bringing the prisoner to the lockup, Meadowcroft kept saying " I have neither murdered nor robbed Grayson." After this, witness met police- serjeant Lloyd, who told him he had heard of these parties having been drinking at a private house near the Seven Stars, in Eccleston. They ascertained, then, that this private house was kept by a woman named Ruth Bibby. They were going up to the house when Bibby saw them and pushed to the door, but they opened it. They found Robert Woods (one of the prisoners) in it. Having taken him into custody, witness searched the house. When he was up stairs, Bibby followed him, and appeared as if very uneasy, lest he should find something, but he discovered nothing particular. Woods appeared dirty, and did not seem to have been in bed all night. He told me he had been at the house of one John Parr all night. A pair of shoes, the nails on which, corresponded . with footmarks near the place of the murder, were taken off Robert Woods, and were now in Mr. Storey's possession. Thelpolice had been since to Parr's house, but it was locked up and he was gone. As they were taking Woods to the lockup, he asked if they had not taken Isaac Jacques up. Witness went to Parr's house, where Woods and he had been staying all night, but be (witness), got nothing but abuse from him. Mr. Superintendent Storey announced to the jury during their sitting, that the friends of deceased were willing to contribute £5O towards a reward to be offered for the ap prehension of the murderer. St. Helens, Thursday Evening, Five o'clock. No new particular in addition to the above has since transpired here, and there as yet seems no probability of magisterial investigation being speedily dispensed with. Samuel Taylor and Charles Orrell, Esqrs. met at the Town hall this afternoon, when all the prisoners in custody, on suspilion, were remanded on the application of Mr. Storey. Captain Willis ' of the county constabulary, was present. The prisoners denied any implication in the murder, and protested their innocence. Communication has been made to Sir James Graham, the Secretary of State, to inquire whether government will grant a reward in addition to that to be given by the relatives, for the detection of the assassin, but no answer has yet been re ceived. The body of the deceased gentleman was removed from the Gerard's Arms Inn on the day of the inquest, in a shell, to his residence in Rainford, where it was received with most heart-rending lamentations by his disconsolate and be reaved daughter. The interment took place on Wednesday morning at Kirby. -- - OUR EXPORTS FOR 1811 The official returns of the exports for the year 1841 of our chief staples will, it is said, by no means bear out the exag gerated tales of distress which have so long filled the columns of our free trade contemporaries. That much suffering has been and is felt in Lancashire and the other seats of the cot ton manufacture is undoubted ; but it will be satisfactory for the public to know that the total amount of our leading ma nufactures, as yet exported in 1841, has, in comparison with last year, somewhat increased. The following is stated to be an approximation to what the public accounts for 1841 will, when published, exhibit for the three quarters ending sth October last, when compared with a similar period of 1840. In cotton twist exported there has been, it is stated, a de crease during the first nine months of 1841 of nearly £60,000, and in cotton goods the large falling off of about £1,000,000 sterling ; making a total decrease up to Oct. 1841, of £1,060,000. But on the other hand there has been an in creased export of woollen and worsted goods, up to that time, of £600,000, and an increase in all other manufactures of i 1,100,000 ; constituting a total decrease: of £1,700,000. Balancing then this decrease against the increase, there is an amount of £640,000 sterling to be carried to the latter ac count; this, though a small sum in a national point of view, is satisfactory evidence that except in the cotton trade, dis tress in the manufacturihg districts, though severe and pro tracted, has been exaggerated. The falling off in the cotton goods exported is accounted for chiefly by the markets of India, Australia, and South and West America, having been greatly overstocked in 1840, and by the restrictive state of the money market. The latter cause has, too, prevented our shopkeepers at home from keeping large stocks during the last year; and their present low stocks, as well as the freedom from glut of the United States market, and the ordinary demand from the north of Europe, will, it is anticipated by practical men, re-infuse greater activity into the cotton ma nu f ac t ure o n the close of the winter.-41ormny Herald. _ _ [We perfectly agree in the above views of our able con temporary, as well with respect to the causes of the decrease of the demand for our manufactures in some foreign mar kets during the past year, as in the prospect—those causes ceasing to operate—which is now before us. We may add, however, with respect to the decline of one branch of our manufactures—the manufacture of cotton cloths—that that article has been very extensively su pe rs eded in many markets, and more especially in the home markets, by the excellence which we have now attained i n the production of mixed fa brics of worsted or woollen and cotton. At the late Frank fort Fair these articles, of British manufacture, completely threw every other material, and especially cotton goods, into the shade ; and in the home market any observer may as certain the extensive d eman d f or th e m which exists, whil s t printed calicoes and other purely cotton fabrics are entirely neglected. The caprice of fashion has far more to do with the depression of our cotton manufacture than our cotton spinning and weaving philosophers, and the public who echo their complaints, are generally aware of.—E. L. S.] REV. DR. WARDLAW.—We learn that the Rev. Dr. Wardlaw, minister of the Independent Church, West George street, has sent in the demission of his charge, have found the duties of , his congregation, along with certain work s w hi c h he has und er t a k en to wr i te on religious subjects, to be. too heavy for him in his declining years. Some difference existed in the congregation as to the appointment of an assistant to the rev. doctor previously to the giving in of the demission.— Glasgow Courier. DISCUSSION ON SOCIALISM BETWEEN MR. BRINDLEY AND LLOYD JONES, THE SOCIAL IST MISSIONARY.--UTTER' ROUT OF THE BLASPHEMERS ! During the present week the indefatigable Mr. Brindley has been engaged in a discussion with the " pet missionary" of this infamous system in the Queen's Theatre, which has been nightly crowded, or we may say crammed, to the very roof. The charge proposed to be shbstantiated by Mr. Brindley was that " Socialism is a lying, swindling, fraudu lent scheme, which has robbed the working classes, and is now robbing them, under false pretences ; and that it, in theory, denounces all marriage and all religion, and denies the existence of a personal intelligent God." The Rev. J. R. Connor was the moderator chosen by the meeting ; and the proceeds of admission, after deducting expenses, were to be presented to the charities of the town. During the first two nights Mr. Brindley, to the satisfac tion of by far the greater part of his audiences, indelibly fastened the mark of lying and swindling upon the system; and even compelled the missionary Jones to acknowledge his having taken an oath of his belief in the Bible, whilst, at the same time, an avowed Atheist. It will be remembered that, under the title of Rev., which he attained by this perjury, Mr. Jones attended at the anti-corn-law conference of mi nisters of ALL denominations in Manchester. On Wednes day night Mr. Brindley was equally successful in proving, and that by living evidence too, that the system denounced all marriage, not in theory alone, but in practice as well. On Thursday (yesterday) evening, Mr. Brindley proceeded to prove the infidelity of Socialism, and from the books of Robert Owen, and the lips of the Socialist Jones himself, completely established this position. After a brief summing up, in the course of which the socialists present, by knocking sticks on the bandies, and other noises, endeavoured to pre vent his being heard, the question was put to a show of hands by the rev. chairman, and carried in favour of Mr. Brindley by an overwlichning majority amidst deafening cheers. The Socialist missionary, Jones, with his friends, and amongst them the well-known John Finch, immediately left the platform, greeted on their course by the very unequivocally expressed disgust of the meeting ; and three cheers having been given for Mr. Brindley, that gentleman proposed to it to express its sense to the services of the rev. gentleman who had filled the arduous office of moderator of the discussion during the four nights' stormy proceedings. A round of en thusiastic cheering was the reply, after which Mr. Bonnor rose and in a beautiful and feeling address which we regret that at this late hour we cannot convey to our readers, returned thanks to the audience who had placed him in the chair, and supported him in it during the discussion. He had taken the chair from a sense of duty—from"a sense of kindness to the socialists themselves, who, he was confident, would be benefitted by hearing the dark sophistries of their infidel leaders discussed and exploded by the eloquence and argu ments of their friend Mr. Brindley. As for the unhappy man whom they had heard that night glory in his shame, and who had last night claimed him (Mr. Connor) as a countrymann—as an Irishman—in the name of his countrymen, in the name of Ireland, he renounced him. They would have no socialism in Ireland—(a voice, " nor in England")—they would have no socialism in Li verpool. He was proud of the spirit which he saw evinced by the operatives around him. They would not be entrapped by the cobwebs of socialism, or submit to have their pockets sucked by the spiders which dwell amongst them. The ope ratives of Liverpool would cling to their Bible. He had seen to-night that they were proud of their Bible ' • and for that he thanked God and their Protestant Church of England. He trusted that when they left this meeting they would leave it in a spirit of seriousness, and before they retired to their rest they would pray for the souls of the unhappy men who had that night stood up before them to revile the Word of God and his ordinances. He could not allow them to separate without expressing his feelings as to the deserving of the David who had come forth to combat this dark system of error. Their friend Mr. Brindley ought not to be left alone to sustain the expenses of the fight; and he would briefly suggest that one hundred of his operative friends would undertake to collect each their 10s., which would make £5O, and shew the example to the merchants of the town, who ought to double that sum. He proposed that one hundred of the protestant operatives should call upon Mr. Crisp, who would give them cards each to collect amongst their brother operatives, in the course of Friday, Saturday, and all next week. The reverend gentleman, after a few more remarks, (which again we regret we cannot give,) proposed to close the meet ing with praise; and the Doxology having been sung, anti a short prayer offered up, the meeting separated. We learn that the gross receipts of the four nights were .£95 ISs. Gd., which, after deducting the necessary expehses, will leave a considerable sum for the charity. Throughout the whole of the four nights' discussion the tricky, and therefore dangerous character of the system was well exemplified in the tactics resorted to by its advocate, Jones. Ever shuffling and equivocating—flying off from the point before him into all manlier of extraneous philosophy which was likely to attract a popular audience—never meet ing a charge without first endeavouring to misrepresent its nature or its wording—resorting to all kinds of personalities and slanders—it was with the utmost difficulty that Mr. Brindley could fasten the attention of his audiences to the questions brought before them ; and we are satisfied that few men indeed could have so perfectly succeeded as to attain the triumphant result which tie did, in spite of the frantic efforts of these wretched beings to obstruct the fair expression of the sense of his hearers. We cannot conclude this notice without expressing our ad miration of the talents which Mr. Brindley has devoted with out reward—(to the sacrifice of his other pursuits and to the, serious injury, we fear, of his health itself)—to the exposure of this infamous and destructive system. The Christian world is under a deep debt of gratitude to him for his un wearied efforts; and we are satisfied will ungrudgingly award him their hearty thanks, if indeed something more solid than thanks should not be the return for so many sacrifices of time, of money, of domestic comfort, and of severe mental and bodily exertion, as those which have been cheerfully made by Mr. Brindley in this cause. It will be seen that the Rev. Mr. Connor, at the close of the meeting pointed out a mode by which such a tribute could be paid to him ; and in whidh we have no doubt our operative friends will zealously co-operate. We would only suggest, that there be no restriction as to the sum which each should undertake to collect; but that every operative who can raise anything, if only 6d., should offer his services in so good a work. _ _ _ It will be seen by our advertising columns that Mr. Brindley will deliver another lecture to-night in the same place ; and, as we have heard that many of our female friends have been kept from attending hitherto, we can assure them that every convenience and protection will be afforded them this evening. COURT OF QUEEN'S BENCH .-TUESDAY DAIMON v. ROSSER, This was an action for a breach of promise of marriage, which has been magnified into an undue degree of import ance from the paragraphs which have appeared in the news paperc from time to time. The declaration contained four counts, alleging promises and breaches in July, 1837, Sep tember, 1837, in June, 1839, and April, 1840. The defend ant pleaded—first, that he did not promise ; and, next, that he had invested the sums of £666, £366, and £215, in the purchase of Government stocks, in satisfaction of the breaches of promise, and that the plaintiff had received the same in satisfaction thereof. Mr. Platt stated the case for the plain tiff, arid described in most ludicrous terms the letters and advances of the defendant, who is a practising solicitor in London, between seventy and eighty years of age, and wrote about 700 letters during the time of his courtship, which lasted between three and four years. The plaintiff, on the contrary, was only a few years beyond her teens, and had written also a considerable quantity of amorous epistles. Mr. Thesiger addressed the jury for the defendant, and charac terised the conduct of the plaintiff as designing in the ex treme to entrap an old man into compliance with her wishes. The jury, on hearing that the £666 were entirely under the control of the plaintiff, found a verdict for the plaintiff— Damages £l6OO. A SKETCH IN THE TOWN COUNCIL, There was something positively puzzling in the appearance of the council at its opening on Wednesday. A happy ex pression sate upon the countenances of the Radical portion of the members. Bolton looked unutterable bliss ; James Aikin laughed ever and anon with his face upon the table ; William Earle—credite posteri 2—closed his mild eyes and dozed during a great portion of the opening discussion ; whilst the small fry around them—the mosquitoes which flutter in the beams of these suns of the " Liberal" heaven—sate mute as mice, as if waiting for some coming event of the most delightful nature. Upon the faces of not a few of the Conservative members, on the contrary there was an air of stern determination—a dare-all, do-or-die look—contrasting singularly with the chuckling expression which pervaded those of their opponents. Altogether it was a perplexing pieturt. ; and struck us as presenting strong symptoms of a foregone conclusion, to the glorification of radical tactics. We pass over, roost willingly, the somewhat uninteresting discussions which preceded the announcement of Mr. Thomas Bolton's motion, upon the subject of the system of Educa tion to be adopted in the Corporation Schools. The rising of that redoubtable champion of the " Popish" cause, how ever, in a moment altered the uninteresting face of things. What a shuffling of feet—what a rumpling and unfolding of papers—what a drawing in of lips and opening of eyes was the result of the first movement of the great ex-mayor ! And yet after all this preparation on the part of the majority of the council to " cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"— after all the conning of speeches and furbishing up of apologies—after all this girding up for the encounter with the arch enemy—after the mental exclaim from more than one or two of the expectants of immortal honour— " Strike, oh ye bards, the melancholy harp, For this is the eve of death !" how insufferably provoking, how " lame and impotent" was the conclusion ! The trumpet was sounded, but there was no opponent to set lance in rest against, for the cunning Mr. Thomas Bolton coolly intimated to the gentlemen who were big with speech, that he had no motion to make for them to exercise their rhetoric upon. The slippery thing flourished its forked tongue, wagged its slimy tail, and then wriggled out of the grasp of Conservatism, leaving stupid wonder ment and blank dismay upon the countenances of more than one who were on this day to have dispelled for ever the cloud which hangs over their names and fame, by the blows which they were to have dealt upon its prostrate body. Reader, imagine the scene which ensued when William Earle jumped off his seat like a cork from a soda water bottle, and went off into hysterics of delight—when Mr. Christo pher Bushell tried to recall to their seats the departing mem bers—when Mr. John Smith, with papers in hand, inti. mated that he too had something to say, and when the mayor, e.e- cathedra, intimated to one and all, that they must " live to speak another day." It was a scene which we trust we shall never see again. We could never get over it. Wily Thomas Bolton ! Cunning faction ! Tricked, diddled, easy-going conciliatory'Conservatives ! When will the for mer leave off their Jesuitry ? when will the latter begin to know the serpent nature of the opposition they have to con tend with? Another month of Popish and . Socinian teach ing in our Corporation Schools ! That i s all, alth ough quite sufficient for Thomas Bolton and his clique to chuckle nrer, as the result of their management of conciliatory Con servatism in the council. A person ,had laid some night hooks down in the river Tivv, Cardiganshire, a little time ago, an d on going the fol lowinif morning to visit his lines, he found a crane attached to one of them. An eel had taken the bait and was caught by the hook, and the crane, afterwa r d s t oo k t h e ee l as a b a it. and got hooked himsel f .—Carmarthen Journal. HEAR BOTH SIDES ! ! FINAL MEETING at the Q UEEN ' S THEATRE, TO-NIGHT. As the Socialists of Liverpool have put forth what they are pleased to call " A Life of the notorious John - Brindley," Mr. BRINDIEY will THIS EVENING (Friday) give a full and faithful history of his eventul career, from childhood to the present time. He will also take this opportunity of reviewing the Four Nights' Discussion between Mr. L. Jones and himself; bringing up, in a summary form, the whole of the Evidence adduced both fur and againit Social ism throughout the Debate. The Platform Gallery will be reserved for LADIES; those, therefore, who could not with piopriety attend the Discussion will have a good opportunity of hearing the sub stance of the Debate on this occasion. ADMISSION.—To the Boxes and Platform, 6d. ; to the Pit, 3d.; and to the Gallery, 2d.—Doors open at Seven, to commence punctually at Half-past Seven, and close at Half past Nine o'Clock. *** A most important LETTER to Sir ROBERT PEEL, giving a brief but true History of the Birth, Life, and Public Career of ROBERT OWEN, with the Rise, Progress, and Decline of his various experiments, will be found in " BRINDLEY'S GAZETTE" for this Month. Also a great quantity of other interesting information in re lation to CHARTISM, and the LATTER-DAY SAINTS, Price 3d. C. DAVIES, North John-street; STANDARD OFFICE ; LEATHERBARROW'm ; Elliot-strcct, and all News venders. Friday, December 10, 1841. TO THE CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE LIVERPOOL TOWN COUNCIL GENTLEMEN,—AIIow me to address a very few words to you on the important subject of education, which is now anxiously occupying your attention, and on which. I grieve, both for your own and the town's sake, to see that you con tinue to be divided. After a careful perusal of your rather angry debates, it appears to me that the reasons, which seem to influence cer tain members of your body in their hesitation to vote the expulsion of the Douay Bible with note and comment and the introduction of prayer, may be reduced to the three fol lowing heads : 1. They think that they will lie under a charge of bigotry, if they presume to decide arbitrarily what is truth, in oppo sition to the conscientious opinions of others. They con ceive, therefore, that, in thus hesitating, they are manifest ing a very graceful modesty. 2. The priests of the komish schism in this town have assured them, that, if they venture to expel the Douay ver sion and introduce prayer, no Romish child will attend the schools. In that case, say our kind-hearted friends in the Council, hundreds of poor little Roman Catholic children will be turned out into the street, to pick up their education where they can, or rather where they cannot. The hesitation of these gentlemen assumes the delightful form of charity. 3. Some gentlemen are on their legs, declaiming, that, since the money by which these schools are to be supported conies indiscriminately from the pockets of all religionists, it is very unfair that all sects should not be equally educated. These persons are, therefore, hesitating under the banner of justice. Under these imposing heads—modesty, charity, and jus tice—suffer me respectfully to make a few remarks. 1. With regard to the modest hesitaters, I observe, that they are supposing themselves to be in a position in which they are not now placed, unless, indeed, they have chosen voluntarily to place themselves in it. The question which they look upon themselves as now called upon to decide has been already decided, as far as this country is concerned. The legislature of this land has already made its selection amongst the conflicting bodies of professing Christians. It has chosen that church of Christ, which was originally planted in England, and is now happily purified from Latin superstition, as the keeper of the truth, and has established it that it may hold forth the truth to the subjects. The state, therefore, has answered the question, " What is truth ?" by replying, " That Scriptural system of doctrine, which is set " forth in the formularies of the Established Church of this " realm." Our modest hesitating councillor, may, therefore, throw himself for support upon his country. Surely, thus encouraged, unless he mistakes the veriest mauvaise honte of awkward bashfulness for commendable modesty, he will hold up his head like a man, a conservative, and a Christian. If, on the contrary, lie will still have it, that the great question of truth is not settled, and persists in placing himself wilfully and unnecessarily in the chair of decision and arbitrement, he can scarcely suppose that one, who thus, without the slightest occasion, elevates himself to so prominent and judge like an eminence, can be entitled to the respectable character of a modest man. 11, But what are we to say of our charitable hesitaters? Why, we say just this. Shew us that it is charitable to teach children doctrines which you acknowledge to be essentially false, and, therefore, destructive to the eternal happiness of your fellow-creatures. Prove this to us, and then we will request you not to hesitate, but unhesitatingly to deluge your schools with Popery and Socinianism. Let us see whether your charity will bear the light, which a very simple illustra tion often throws on puzzled and misunderstood matters. We will suppose that, from the pressure of the times, the poor of your town are grievously suffering from famine. You are entrusted with certain funds to be expended for them in food. It has been decided that meat, flour, and potatoes are proper and wholesome nourishment. You accordingly dis tribute them. You do not force them down the throats of the starving, but you simply offer them for their acceptance. Many thankfully receive them, but there are some whose vitiated palate rejects this wholesome nourishment which you have provided for them and offered to them, and demand, instead of your meat, flour, and potatoes, ardent spirits and opium. They tell you, that unless you give them exactly what they choose to consider wholesome, but which you think poisonous, they cannot benefit by your charity, and that, therefore, you are uncharitable. What would you say to such reasoners ? Why, you would say something of this sort, " My good people, we offer you what we ourselves eat, " and what we believe to be the most wholesome food for " you. The articles you mention would be poisonous to us, " and we therefore naturally conclude that they would be " poisenous to you. If you wish to poison yourselves we " cannot help it, but you must not expect us to assist you in " doing it. We would rather set before you what we know " to be good and useful viands, in order that you may be " weaned from your present dreadfully vitiated taste." Would it be uncharitable in returning such an answer ? " Cer tainly not," you reply. Then do not, I entreat you, under the guise of charity, assist in poisoning the souls of Papists and Socinians. Keep yourselves pure. But our charitable friends, who rather too suddenly sup pose that the expulsion of the Douay Bible is synonymous with the ejection into the streets of all the Roman Catholic children at present in the corporation schools, should read the second annual report of the Church Education Society for Ireland. It is the report for this present year. That society, which has only been lately established, has at present 59,067 scholars in 1,015 schools. In all those schools the authorised version of the Scriptures is read by all the children ; the Douay version is completely excluded; prayers are offered up by all the children unitedly, and all the children are bona fide members of the Church of England and Ireland. Now, out of those 59,067 children, who are thus strictly educated in this uncharitable system, how many are Roman Catholics? No fewer than 21,420. Moreover, of the year's increase of 15,440 scholars, over and above those enumerated in the first report of the society, 10,562 are Roman Catholics. Facts are stubborn things. 'rake courage. Do not be so nervously afraid of being called un charitable by those who are attempting, by practising on na ture's kindliness, to liberalize good, soft hearted, and easy conservatives. Remember that words smoother than oil may proceed from a very warlike heart. 3. A single word to the friends of justice. The funds at your disposal find their way into your hands from all sorts of pockets, and therefore you must teach all sorts of reli gions. Now, if you will jump so unnecessarily to such ex traordinary conclusions, be consistent. Carry your princi ples of justice fairly and manfully out. Chartists, as well as Papists and Socinians, pay their proportion. Let their chil dren, if they respectfully request it of you, be diligently taught and catechised in the equalising doctrines of chart ism. Let the socialist obtain the same boon for his young ones. And why should not thieves put in their claim for the instruction of their children in their fathers' moralities of pocket-picking? In short, if you once begin fairly to act out your principles of justice, I know not where you are to stop. If you stop at all, it will he from the necessity of self preservation, not certainly from principle. But, in truth, the whole matter is a very simple one. The corporation is one of " the powers that be " in England. As one of " the powers that be," they have the right, within certain limits, to obtain funds from the subject. The duty of the subject is to pay his tribute, simply because it is de manded by the power, which God has placed over him, for purposes of government. He is not to dictate the mode of its application, nor is he responsible for that mode, whatever - it may be. The powers that be are to determine that, on their own responsibility ; and their determination must be guided by their conscientious and unbiassed desire to pro mote the general good. The party who were lately in power in the council did act conscientiously, and, according to their apprehension of the matter, justly. They taught Popery and Socinianism in the schools, even though the consequence was the expulsion of the clergy. They deserve commenda tion for having acted according to their professed principles of conduct. Let every conservative councillor act according to his professed principles likewise. " Fas est et ab hosts doceri.' I am, Gentlemen, Very respectfully, your faithful *.ervai,t, A Cll APLA I N Dec. 9, 1841 COURT OF REQUESTS JUSTICE TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANAIRD, Sitt,—A decision has this day been given in the Liverpool Court of Requests which induces me publicly to ask is there no responsibility attached to, or no appeal from, the parties who professedly administer justice, or as they term it, equity, in those courts? If such be the case, the absolute power which such parties possess, if equalled, is certainly not sur passed in its pernicious results by any court in the most despotic country on the face of the globe. I was summoned for a small debt to the Liverpool Court of Requests under the following circumstances :—I had been the tenant of a public-house, which I subsequently let to another party. That party, after taking possession, obtained goods from a tradesman, for which, not being able to ob tain payment, 1 was summoned to the above court for the amount. In vain 1 pleaded that I never had a transaction with, or ever saw, the tradesman in question : that having lett and let the house to another party I was under no responsibility . : th a t t h e party obtaining the goods was bona fide not a servant, but, in the strictest sense o f the word, a tenant ; th e goods,' too ground that were invoiced to the tenant, yet, in the f ace o f these ets, judgment was given against me, on the a ll ege d my name was still over the door, a f act which is accounted for by the circumstance that the license had not then been transferred, This decision is, 1 am sure, contrary to every principle of both law and equity, and I would simply ask, is there against such adminstration of justice no appeal and no redress? Such may be the case, b u t , at all events , t h e pu bli c i ty of these facts may be of use to the public. Let me add, that in the hearing of the case alluded to, there was hut one indi vidual present to hear it, and he, I believe, is the stipendiary ur n , sir, yours respectfully, Liverpool, Dec. 9111, 1841. GEO. WEBB. MUSIC IN CHURCHES TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STAND.4Ro, SIR,—I see by a pert and peevish letter in the Mail of to-day, an insinuation that the musical part of divine wor ship, in a parish church " not a hundred miles from this lowa," is (as he says) conducted in a disgraceful manner. Now, as this may appear to attach itself to our parish church of Walton, I, as a member of the con g regation, do mostun equivocally state, that our organist and choir are patterns to all the churches in Liverpool and its neighbourhood ; and if the " Votary of good Music " will take the trouble to attend a service—say on Christmas-day, when a good anthem will wi ll sun be g—he will leave the church with very different feelings front those on enterinz.—[loping you will give this a corner in your paper to-morrow, 1 remain ; &c., Walton, Dec. 9, 1841. 0. CLARKSON. [We hope the insertion of this letter will reach the motive; winch we are not ignorant of.—E. L. S.] v l4l,