The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-12-09 00:00:00

....JhuUKS, in tha Chair, . . . • That, as misapprehensions .has arisen as to the .purpuses to Nvhich the net Profits to arise from the proposed Building will be applied, the Committee feel it incumbent on them to decle,re that such Profits must necessarily be divided rateably amoag the Shareholders. That as soon as a - sum of Money is subscribed which, in the opinion of the Committee, will justify the Work being proceeded in, they will call a meeting of the Subscribers, to appoint a Committee and make the necessary arrangements. (Signed,) JONATHAN BROOKS, Chairman. LIST OF .SL £lOO Sir John Tobin. • Thomas Brancker Mr. James Aspinall Chris. Rawdon Charles Lawrence Joseph C. Ewart Charles Tay teur James Moon 'William Nicol Samuel Turner Thomas Booth . George Holt Enoch Harvey Thomas Avison John Mather James Harvey William Rathbone James Mulleneux Thomas Rawson, Tox teth-park Edward Patten James It awdon William Dixon Charles Smith Wm. Earle. jun Hardman Earle Alex. Macgregor • Richard Edwards John Cropper Samuel T. Hobson Joseph Sandars John Moss T. F. Dyson George Grant James Cockshott Thomas Brocklebank. James Hey worth Luke T. Crossley Robert Roskell William Lyun John trobin Vincent Higgins John Holden John Mulholland Hugh Jones Richard H: J ones John Holt Joseph N. Walker William Shard William Harrison JOhn A. Tinne Nicholas Roskeil John Crosthwaite Benjamin H. Jones John P. Heywood S. H. Thompson William Nevett Richard Jones Joseph King Richard Beubow John Benbow Robert Woodward Robert Semple Richard Dawson Is. Barned • Lewin Motley James Radley Henry Byrom, jun Thomas Bold Samuel Hope John Bent Edward Moon Jonathan Higginson G. B. Irlam Charles Okill William Stuart Lawrence Heyworth J. S. Leigh Samuel Sandbach Wrn. Brown Robert Dudgeon Joseph B. Yates ' Edward Horne W. Brown, Everton Andrew Low ... James P. Edwards James Brancker Rd. B. B. Hollinshead Blundell James Muspratt James Dempsey Robertson Gladstone Thomas Sands Pottison Ellames Edward Holt William W. Currie Robert A. Fletcher F. Gouthwaite Joseph Hornby Thomas Coghill. - W. Cartwright Richard Bateson Charles T. Hadfield Samuel Kearsley John Green Ambrose Lace Thomas Thornelv Henry . R. Sandbach G. H. Lawrence John Marriott Henry Harrison Matthew Jee Francis Haywood Thomas Bolton R. L. Bolton S. S. Gair Daniel Willink R. Zwilchenhart E. Zwilchenbart Harold Littledale . Joseph Langton ... T. S. Gladstone R. W. Bateson Robert Jones W. R. Sandbach William Gladstone Thomas D. Lewis • Henry Holmes John Holmes • Harmood Banner , Samuel Holme, James Hohne, jun. . J. Wordley W. P. Bushby . F. Shand Henry Booth Jos. Lace, jun Miles Barton ' Hugh Hornby' N. D. Bold W. H. 'l'ayleur • T. K.•Finlyr Henry Ripley W. A. Brown J. 0. Watson • Charles S. Middleton Michael Humble .... William Claxton .... J. W. Gibsone • Edward Littledale J. G. Bateson • W. P. Hutchinson, jn Jos. Shipley Samuel Staniforth James Gilfillan • lachard Radcliffe John Beckwith John Storkdale Robert Brun John Parker Joseph Thompson J. Nelson Wood James Aikin David Cannon John Fletcher Hugh Mure Thomas Stewart • N. Salisbury T. H. Turner William Oxley James Wrigley George Wrigley S. H. Walsh Wm. St. Albin R, Duckworth W. H. Whitehead M'Cracken W. 0. Porter Thomas Tumid J. T. H.. Tv.r ir. Ridley Joseph Ridgway • A. Thoiri,pson . W. Dickisou Wm. Lowe W. Ashhurner John Stewart. John Woollright Charles Booth Charles Townley Robert Wilson R. V. Yates • Thomas Smith Charles Birch • William Potter - Richard Rathbone Dr. O'Donnell Mr. George Brown .. • John O'Neill Francis O'Neill R. E. Harvey Richard Moon C. H. Jones R. W. Wood William Watson John Clint Thomas Rogerson James Budd Charles B. Yonne Thomas Leathom John Deane Case Dr. Brandreth Mr. Wm. Rotherham Edward Crudgington John Goad Swainson Peter Girvin Robert Gill James Bateson Thomas Tobin Arnold Harrison .. rl R. W. Appleton • • d ' r - t Barth. Norton . • 11 . .1 , James Du ncan .. .• . Ellis S. Yate5....... 50! W. P. Hutchinso n John Beard 5O James Dawson Thos. H. Alison • • 5( BSCRIBERS Mr. John Hall no William Nixon 5O Edward Burne Spencer Steers Henry Latharn John Clow ..., John Ridgway George Ashton E. Arnaud 100 100 1(X) 100 50 50 Henry Ashton. 5O Thomas Wilson 5O Richard Harrison 5O George Wild 5O William Smith G. Henderson . 5O W. H. Gilliat D. Jackson 5O John Tomkinson Richard Houghton Henry Ainas Duncan J. Stewart William Nickson James Muir Saml. M'Culloch 25 John Ainsworth Rev. E. Hull 25 Andrew Melly George Prevost.... Sarni - . T. Winstanley Thomas Wilson 25 W. G. Weiss 25 W H. Goore 25 Thomas Avison, jun 25 G. Le N. de l'Osier John To ham 25 James Cunningham 25 Robert Clay George Comer Thomas Winstanley 25 Thomas Baines 25 G. W. Crook 25 Rev. Jonathan Brooks 25 'Mr. Thomas Harvey Williarn.Sudlow John Sudlow 25 James Crosbie William J. Myers 25 John Myers, jun. .. • • 25 James Buchanan ..• • 25 F. M. Gillanders John Highfield 25 William I3vandreth Henry. Ripley Benjamin Thomas Peter Serjeantson 25 Thomas Browne 25 William Reynolds James Gibson '2s John Jerdein - 25 William J. Browne John Campbell 25 James Howell Joseph Parton William Comer Jairies M a wdsley .. • Edward G. Deane Edward Wilson, jun 25 William Lassell 25 Rev. T. S. Bowstead ... • 25 Mr, Samuel,Perrott 25 Edwin Maw Dr. Reynolds 25 Mr. John North, jun 25 Mrs. 'l'. Earle Mr. William Carter 25 I'. B. Barclay Samuel Thornely Richard Bright 25 Patrick Parker 25 George Parsons Thomas Newton Thomas D. Headlam . 25 Wm. 'M vers, jun 25 P. W. Brancker Joseph Brooks David Walker Edward Lane. 25 50 50 50 50 J. B. Clough 25 Thomas Haigh Edward Jones Charles Barnard William Healing ...• 25 George Booth 25 William Wales 25 Rev. J. Iliff . 25 J. C. Prince 25 Mr. Gardner Boggs 25 E. S.-Boult. 25 Swinton Boult William Bentley H. Stevenson 25 Patrick Vance GeArge Worthington 25 John Murray 25 John Walsh 1. 0. Bold . William - Latham H. E. Evans . 25 C. F. Carne M. Telo Robert Alston WilliamTYrer Anthony Swainson .. 25 John Davies - 25 Richard Rawson 25 Ed.;ard Chaloner.... 25 James Lister . David Kent • . D. Buchanan. D. C. Buchanan .... 25 Chas. B. puchanau .. '25 Julius Focke 25 J. D. Thornely Miss Thornely Mather J. Mather 25 Mr. Robert Mather Daniel Mather A. Rawson 25 J. B. Smith 25 William Ripley 25 William Starkie C. T. Dunlevie A. and W. Littlejohn 25 'F. Maynard . Samuel Sudlow 1. R. Chorley Timothy Bourne Robert Graham 25 William Reynolds I 25 Wm. Reynolds, jun 25 Thomas Read 25 Richard Crewe 25 W. R. Prince William Thompson Elias J. Mozley 25 Charles Mozley 25 J. M. Banner 25 H. W. Banner J. F. Can nell 25 W. Ock leston W. S. Miller 25 W. Sharp James Powell N. Cairns T.. Mac Gill George Robinson • Daniel Neilson John Craig Robert Arrott 25 David Lamb 25 , James Macgregor '2.5 John Leyland.. 25 Charles Holland 25 Wm. Mountfield 25 Rev. James Case Mr. William Balleny Richd. Forshaw, jun 25 Henry Forshaw 25" Cornelius Bourne Colin Campbell 25 Edward Parry G. D. per W. Earle 25 Benj. Buchanan .• • 25 John Priestley Michael Ashton 25 Jos. Yates Ashton 25 H. P. Ashton 25 Thomas Kaye Sam. Clegg, Allerton 25 Isaac Worthington James Mander Wm. Taylor Prosper Devaux Win. B. Colton 25 Henry Hamer Richard Tetley Edward Gibbon 25 John Platt Benjamin Platt 25 Henry Patry 25 Rev. W. Blundell 25 Mr, John ‘Veightman 25 M. D. Lowndes James Robinson Samuel Johnson Richard Asoinall Win. John Tomlinson 25 Joseph Hess John Ellison Mar. Martin Dr. Banning 25 Mr./William Banning 25 John Scholfield 25 Thos. Nixon, jun 25 Chris. Paterson 25 * C. H. Townley, R.N '2s Wm. Shuttleworth Richard Earle,London 25 Samuel Towers 25 Wm. D. Chidson Edward Storrs Thomas Woolfield 25 Thos. Oifurd, jun 25 Ellis M. Brodie '2s Hugh J. Sanderson 25 Wellwood Maxwell Andrew Kurtz George Ranasden James lloughton J. B. Brancker 25 W. E. Hall 25 William Hidyard Thom as Willis John Finth, 25 John " jun. qhn Hasellen Alexander Nlaxwell - v. , imam Fosbery 25 4. r. Patterson 25 'Jolla Shand • 25 Thomas Cooke . " 25 C. - R. Taylor 25 William Waln Reyna. W. Houghton 25 Thomas Lee Lewis Samuel Henry Dyson George J. Wainwright 25 P. Hare 25 G. Crosfield G. Atkyns William Jevons 25 Thomas Jevons 25 Timothy Jevons Wm. Jevons, jun. Wm. Woods 25 R. H. Bownas Rev. Wm. Hesketh 25 Mr. John Richardson William Jackson .Subscriptions will be received mittee, a List of whom is subjoi .cam m I The Rev. Rector l Mr. Hardtnan Earle The Mayor Mr. T. B. Barclay R. NV. Bateson Thomas Booth . James Crosbie W. Wallace Currie William Dixon . Joseph, C. Ewart George Grant R. E. Harvey Francis Haywood Samuel Holme Samuel Hope Joseph Hornby Richard Houghton C. B. Irlam Thomas Kaye Samuel Kearsley A. Lace Mr. JAM] Mr. E. G. Mr. THO, 1,) , ; s. Samuel M'Cullock pr. tentioii .. . 25 John P-“" 25 John rattinson ;-„ James C. Hatto4% o 3 gdward Mine . 25 William Hurry 25 John Richardson P. E. Weber . Mrs. Cardwell. 25 Mr. Benjamin Frankland 25 Edward Lister. Mrs. Backhouse Mr. James Davies James Ingram R. S. Henderson A.' Henderson William Statham Wm. Wrenshall, jun 25 James Judson • 25 R. L. Millar Robert Cain Mrs. Phillips 25 Total £23,075 by each Member of the Com ined I TTEE. Brooks, Chairman. Deputy-Chairman. Mr. Joseph Langton Charles Lawrence Andrew Low James Moon John Moss Lewin Motley W. Nicol W. Rathbone Christopher Rawdon Henry Sandbach Charles Smith Thomas Thornely Samuel Turner Joseph N. Walker Thomas Winstanley John Wooßright W. Wordley John Wright. ES ASPINALL, Treasurer. DEANE, Secretaries. S. HARVEY, LIPERPOOL SESSIONS. The intermediate sessions, recently appointed to be held, commenced on Tuesday last, before James Clarke, Esq., Re corder. The following gentlemen were sworn on the grand jury:— Richard Dawson, Esq., Foreman. Thomas touch, ,Isaac Cooke, George Quayle, John Shand, Wm. Alexander Brown, - • James Houlbrook Smith, Robert Wilson, , John Goodwin, James Brownell Boothby, Josh. Robinson I'im, John M‘Laurin, Thomas Martin, John Davidson, William Ridyard, John Wright, jun., William Field Porter, Esq., George Dickson, And _ John - Stewart, I Ralph Abraham, Esqrs. After the usual proclamation against vice and immorality had been read, The RKCORDRR proceeded to deliver his charge as follows, — Gentlemen of the Grand Jury, I am extremely ratified by seeing your punctual attendance this morning. Ihe state of crime in the town of Liverpool absolutely calls for the Sessions which are now convened ; because if we look at the calendar and consider that it is only six weeks since the sessions and ge neral gaol delivery . was held here, and see 70 cases submitted • for your consideration, it is quite alarming to think that such a mass of crime exists, and your attendance bectmes absolutely necessary. I sav 1 rejoice to see your punctual attendance to day, because I find that in an adjoining district, at Kirkdale, the Grand Jury does not attend in the way that the country would wish it to do—so I learn from the chairman of those ses sions. lam a little surprised at it, because the privilege of sit ting on juries, by Sir Robert Peel's jury bill, having been very much extended, enables those who before were shut out from that privilege now to possess it. As . you well know, you and various classes of the community, consisting of highly respecta ble classes of persons, were, before the operation of Sir Robert Peel's bill, shut out from sitting on Grand Juries. What Sir R. Peel's bill enacted for the country at large the municipal bill has extended to you. The privilege of sitting on juries is now extended to a vast number of persons, who have now an oppor tunity of taking a share in the administration of lustice ; 'the community may now be said to be parties in the administration of the law. And it is a great satisfaction thit we have, when we are surrounded by intelligent men whenever we come-to pro nounce sentence on the crimes brought against our fellow-sub- jects, because their knowledge of the world brings to their minds a degree of knowledge of men that a more retired and high de partment of life cannot possess ; therefore it is a satisfaction to see the class of which I speak attending on the Grand Jury as you are this day. 1 have looked over the depositions and I don't find any case requiring many observations. I perceive they denote the crime of larceny iu all its bearings ; larceny in the streets, larceny in warehouses, larceny on the person, and iu-shuredarceny exists in all its parts, and yoa will have to ap ply your minds to the various cases that have to be brought be fore you. I don't think any of them will entangle you in point of fact or in point of law, but if any case should do so I shall be happy to give you what assistance I can. Some cases will come before you fot receiving stolen goods, and it will be proper for you to observe whether they have been received at distinct times or at several times, because the judges have held that if the receiving be at four differeet times, for instance, or more than one party be engaged in the receipt, the indictment must be laid in these cases for separate offences. You cannot con vict two men of a joint receiving, but their crimes must be viewed as distinct ; and I have given directions to the intelli gent officers here to draw their indictments with that view of the subject, and I hope the cases will come before you clearly and correctly drawn. On looking over the depositions I find many of the prisoners say, "4 am sorry for it, I was drunk ;" and frequently the prosecutors also are in a state of intoxication. So lung--as such-intemperance does exist, that aloue, _I ate afraid, will prove a great source of crime. The learned judge who presided here and at Lancaster during the last assizes made this observation in both cases " that intem perance was the great source of crime ; that many of the cases in the calendar were to be attributed solely to intern perance.". If- he had sat here to day be would have found abundant cause for that observation; for nearly every case in the calendar 'has grown out of, intemperance. One great misfortune in intemperance in prosecutors is this, that when they come into the witness-box their minds turn out to be coin-, pletely oblivious on the subject of t4eir complaint, and their evidence is confused and unsatisfacforv. A man at the last sessions was asked if he knew a person who had robbed him of 50 sovereigns? His evidence was so embarrassed that I could not rely on his testimony, and the jury were of that opinion along with myself, and acquitted the prisoner of the crime. The prisoner might have been guilty, or he might have been inno cent; but when a man puts himself in that state that his me mory must be imperfect, we must not trust on that account to his evidence, however anxious we mny be to- convict. A man who cannot detail evidence with sufficient certainty puts himself out of the pale of the law—the law cannot protect him. When he comes as a witness and it turns out that he has this very tin perfect recollection, the law cannot avail him, and he is actunlly put out of the pale of the law. I mention this to show the evils which result from intemperance. I am glad to see that there is a most earnest desire to promote temperance and habits of morality throughout the country. Every institution that pro motes temperance, instead of being treated with derision, ought to be respected for its object. I think all institutions, whose object is to recommend temperance, are entitled to the highest consideration ; for if we keep men temperate, depend on it, that instead of quarter sessions being required, sessions once a year would be sufficient. One half of the crimes from which society now suffers are owing to habits of intemperance. There is on e su bj ect to w hi ch I would call your attention 1 find that letters are lying before me which relate to the protection of wrecked property, either on the Cheshire or on the Lancashire shore, which state that such property is altogether unprotected, unless it a iti r s e preserved and watched by the police of Liverpool. lying before me thanking the officers for their great exertions, to which the writers attribute the protection of their property. This is a state of things which ought not to exist. I wish the merchants of Liverpool would unite and see if some 'thing could not be done to check this enormous offence. It is . discreditable to England to think that men not pressed on by poverty, will come down deliberately, to seize what property belonging to others they can find, amidst misfortunes which would melt the heart of any humane person, for the meaner purposes of most avaricious plunder. And I do think that if there wete a meeting well funned, with good and strong reso lntions to be passed, stating that these practices ought to be put an end te—if such feelings were to be stirred up throughout the Country,-,emanating from Liverpool, I do believe that the tone of the people with reference to this crime might be altered. If these observations should he acted upon, I trust the means taken may succeed; and that they may put an end to these dis graceful practices. I have no other observations to make to you, geotietnen,- and dismiss you to your duties. - The Grand Jury then retired to find true bills. We, are obliged to omit our report of the cases tried for want of el a 'e, untitour next ptiblicationr-- BANKING AT CARLISLE. (From the Carlisle Patriot.) • We have been informed fimn good authority that there is a probability of the Bank of England establishing a Branch Bank in this city, which we think will be of great utility, as it will make the circulation of the district exchangeable in cash. It is with great satisfaction we state that the mercantile and trading interests of Carlisle, and the surrounding country, have not suffered materially from the unfortunate occurrences in its banking concerns, from the want of a circulating medium, as the chasm created by the stoppage of the notes in circulation of the two banks which have failed was speedily supplied by the notes of the Carlisle and Cumberland J oint Stock Bank, which not only promptly assisted the Messrs. Connell upon the first pressure made upon them, but also immediately issu ed its own notes most liberally, which were anxiously received, acid depo sits with it to a large amount followed. By a prospectus advertised in our columns, it will be seen that it is in contemplation to establish a new Joint Stock Bank in this city. The proposed capital £250,000 in 50,000 share's of £5 each, the whole to be called up by two instalments. The basis of the constitution of the intended company is decidedly popular, and we know that it is placed in most respectable hands.' It snecess will depend entirely on the management; if that is prudent it will command success, if it is not, it is unreasonable to expect it. AN ODD FANCY.—An old farmer who wished to stand well with the world after his death, lately sent the following whim sical request to Josias Homely :—Sir—l hear thum say as how you makes heppitaffs, I wish you to make wan .for me, and give me a gude cariter in the Western Times when I be dead and gone. Let me zee un while Ibe alive, and I will satisfy you for your it übbell." With the utmost dispatch this request was complied with, and an epitaph which would have suited a How ard or a Bentham sent back. in the following note:—" Sir— You will see that I have fixed Wednesday next for the day of your death, and given . you an excellent character—do pray be punctual to the date, as that is the only part of the thing which is likely to be true.—Jost A s Homet.y.."— 'estern Times. BLEEDlNG.—Perindical blood-letting is an error very com mon amongst the lower order of people ; and, 1 conceive, ex tremely inimical to the constitution. Those persons who, from a notion of preventing diseases, suffer themselves to be bled re gularly once, twice, or oftenerin a year, whether they be indis posed or not, ought to be informed that they are using means which are likely to bring upon them those very diseases which they appear to he solicitous to avert. If the habit has been al reaav established, it may be safely and easily overcome, by sub stituting at those perbids a gentle purgative or two, and ad hering for some time to a more sparing diet.—Doctor. Lil. V re TOWNMOUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. "the uzu;.linotithiv ateqting of the Cr.ltil.n nesday. was held ou Wed- EXTRAORDINARY PROCEEDINGS. Immediately On the entrance of the reporters, Mr. Alderman EVANS rose kind said, before you proceed to the business of the day, I hope I may be allowed to notice a most libellous attack which has been made on one of the Coun cil, and put forward in the papers as a speech of one our own body, at Kirkdale. We have lately heard complaints of the inaccuracy of reports of speeches made in this room, a nd if in ac6uracy exists where the gentlemen of the press have every advantage, we may well suppose that speeches delivered where, they have not those advantages, have not been accurately re ported. I therefore trust, that we shall find the speech which is contained in this newspaper, (holding in his hand the Liver pool Standard of Friday last,) and put forward as that of Mr. James Heyworth, may be not only a mis-report but a perver sion. (Hear.) I cannot allow myself to think, —I cart scar cely believe, that any gentleman a: member of this body, would, whatever might he the excitement of the protracted festMties, (hear, hear,)—that he - would so far forget himself as to employ. the terms I shall now read to the Council. We have here "a servile majority," "deep dishonour," "political cabal," and " paltry cowardice." (Hear, hear.) I believe such an accumu lation of epithets was'never applied to any public body by the most violent partisan. This speech also concludes with what I must term a bravado, "that he would, when opportunity offered say the same when in the presence of the Council." The op portunity now offers for Mr. Heyworth to do so; and I trust he will avail himself of it to state, if be wishes, any thing of what he is represented to have said. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH, immediately rose, and advancing to the Council table, said, Mr. Mayor, will you fa— Your me with that paper ? (The paper was then handed to him.) I have to object altogether to the statement made by Mr. Evans, as being perfectly irrelevant to the duties of this Common Council,—l know ILA by what law such a course of proceeding has been adopted. Ain Ito consider that this is a court of judi cature, to inquire into the conduct of any of its members ? Am I to suppose that it has mixed with its political character some thing of a judicial one,—that this enquiry and investigation into the motives and into-the conduct of any of its members is one of its duties ? If so,—if my language is to be criticised in the manner in which it has been, I have a right to demand by what law it is so criticised in this Council. I surely might, if I chose to adopt retaliative measures, bring to recollection some expressions that had been used in this Council, such as I do not approve of, and far exceeding any thing. which I have stated. Have I a right, or have I not, to state those expressions, follow ing the example which has been set here in this Council? I would gladly abstain from such a course of proceeding, because I should have to comment on the language of gentlemen pre sent, and on the language of your Chairman, in a manner which would be unpleasant to me. But if lam pushed to it, I must claim the right to express my opinion of those statements. But . I will waive such a proceeding, I do not wish to do it until I am called upon. Mr. Councillor RAWDON, in an andible whisper to Alder man Robinson, " What the devil has this to do with it ?" Mr. Councillor Jasiss HEY WORTH.-1 beg I may not be in terrupted. Mr. Evans was not interrupted. Mr. Councillor its WDON.—" What said was in a whisper." Mir. Alderman EvaNs.—l wish to know, in the first instance, whether you have a right tosenter into this matter at all? The Matron—(amidst much confusion)—l took the liberty of saying something on a former occasion, when the reporters had misrepresented me. I think, if those expressions have been uttered out of doors, any member may take exception to them. Mr. Councillor JAMES Her wowrir.—Your case and mine are very different. You had a right to say what you did, be cause you were misrepresented. Ido not say that I hare been misrepresented. The Mayon.—You are allowed to make what observations you like, and to state any thing respecting my conduct you choose, as you have just now stated that you had something to say about it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES 'IEYWORTH.—Have you any law or right to investigate into this matter in this council ? • The MAYOR.-1 have given my answer. (Great confusion.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.4—WiII you show me your right ? (Cries of " Oh, oh !" and increased confusion.) The MAYOR.—I will take the sense of the council upon it. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") Mr.. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—That will not do. (In creased confusion.) The MAYOR.-1 hope common sense will do. I have given my opinion. I cannot say more. (Loud crieg of " Hear.") Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—I require to be shown that law for this plain reason : 7 -you must have a law that is violated before you can accuse a man. What law have I vio lated? (Much confusion.) Mr. Councillor CoGLAN.—There is another law—the law of honour—a principle which ought to influence every member. Mr. Heyworth has made a serious attack on the members of this council; and I should consider it as a point of duty and honour for him to say that the sentiments he is reported to have uttered on that occasion were the sentiments he really felt, or that the report' was 'a misreport. We should then know what to do. There is a law of honour which I trust that gentleman will avail himself of on the present occasion. I merely suggest that as. the line of policy which he ought to adopt. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—Mr. Coglan has taken the liberty of interrupting me. He has appealed to a law of honour. My dear sir —(A complete storm of cries of "Chair, chair," " Mayor, mayor,")—l beg your pardon, Mr. Mayor. Dosou think I am less careful of the rule of honour than any member in this room ? (Inconceivable confusion, which almost rendered the voice of the speaker inaudible.) The MAYOR —I have delivered my opinion that you have a perfect right to enter into any explanation. 'T he subject has a right to be brought before the council. " (Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") If these expressions were used, they are dis respectful to the council, and any gentleman has a right to bring them forward. (Reiterated cries of " Hear.") There fore it remains for you either to deny them, or to acknowledge them, as you think fit. Mr. Councillor RATHBONE.-1 presume we have no law to that effect. The Msvoil.—l have given my opinion, as chairman, what Mr. Heyworth has to do. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Councillor JAMES llarwoaTti.—Then I beg to state, that in what is reported in this paper. substantively and sub stantially there is nothing but what I have previously stated in thisasseinbly. The phraseology used for clothing the senti ments may be different, and I think is different. But with re tard to the opinions promulgated in that speech, they vary very little, if at all, from what I have stated to you before. I have stated to you that I conceived that a great dishonour had been .done to the council—notice the word—councillors are used in the report---1 did say that in the meetings, held at the Angel Inn, of the members of this council, to predetermine on subjects to be discussed in the council, the deliberative character of this body had been affected; that it was quite impossible that indi vidual members of this council could come prepared to give their opinions, with the same freedom and independent exer cise of judgement, as they would have done if they had come without that antecedent meeting. I maintain the same opinion still. Mr. Alderman Evans has given you certain strong words that were—used in this speech; but you know very well how exparte statements may alter the character of an expression. It i s for this very.reason that I have advocated the use of the whole Bible in the schools. (A complete storm of ejaculations followed this declaration, with cries of "-Question.") I have a perfect right to use this line of argument. (The uproar and confusion here became so great as completely to drown the voice of the speaker.) The MAYOR interposed. He said, I think it is better that Mr. Heyworth should go on his own way. - " Mr. Councillor Jsmas HEYWORTII, when order had been restored.—l would only appeal to the appointment of your servants in proof of what I said regarding the`political nature of this council, and I would ask who have been elected to these offices? (The Mayor, with great precipitation, "We are now on the subject of your speech.") Is it not an absolotet proof from the opinions of those appointed that the appointments are of a political character? (Great uproar and confusion, amidst which the voice of the Mayor was heard, "saying " Those words that are objectionable?" Mr. Hevworth continued.) I don't know that they were the exact words I said. I was only going to show you what was intended to be conveyed by . what . I utter ed. lam charged with libelling this pnblic body in a manner that was without precedent in such cases. Did not O'Connell call the entire members of the House of Commons a parcel of rascals. (Great uproar.) I state this to show that there have been such precedents. Has he not branded all your wives and daughters as prostitutes ? (Loud cries of " No, no !" and tre mendous confusion.) And this man you have taken into your arms and given a dinner to. (Renewed confusion.) In the observations which I made I did not mean to reflect on any in dividual councillor. I said then what I say now, that the town had been dishonoured and insulted by the party meeting of councillors at the Angel Inn. If I had come forwards with some expressions which were not strictly such as you could ap prove of—which were not quite so gentle and so palatable as you could wish, surely, under the circumstances in which they • were uttered, some little allowance might have been made for the excitement of the moment. 'But I say, with the exception perhaps of the language and phraseology in this paper, I have nothing to retract—the sentiments here expressed were pre cisely what I uttered. kMuch confusion.) The MA7011.--.1 suppose it is the clothing that is objected to ? Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE Ywoitrit said, I am perfectly ready to believe my brother was not aware of the words that were used on the occasion. He never premeditates a speech. If the expressions were too strong, he has now said quite enough to retract them. I cannot but consider this attack as an indi vidual persecution. (Continued confusion.) Mr. Councillor J. Mr woaTn.—Although this is a friendly interference on the part of a very worthy brother of mine, I disclaim being taken under his protection. So long as I re main in this council I must stand ou my ,own right of pro tecting those opinions and principles of which my conscience i, the hey appointment not tm approves. o I hope I shall never be guilty of any expression of Councillornh. t o a u n G y a i a u r d e i individual present. wieh wished C li r , ie k s n o e f w " wHheaatr.'' he thought of ) e o n f ithoef ~ 1 J 1 r Messrs. ty of O t h k e i ll , E council?t li s , and Shuttle worth? ' - Mr. Councillor LAWRENCR H y vvott . r tr.—My brother is not called on to answer your questions. (Uproarious confusion.) Mr. Councillor COG LAN rose amidst deafening cries of " spoke," " spoke." He said, I was in hopes when the gentle man was called on to state—(spoke, spokes—when he was called on to give an explanation of the sentiments he was re ported to have uttered, that he would very different manner and in a very' different spirit to w h a t b e has done. He has stated, and if he feels he is correct—if he feels he is right, it does him great credit for the manly avowal he has made. He has staled that, substantively, what he felt on that occasion he feels now , and he tow intends it. Now, if these expressions are not contradicted—if the present council suc cumbs to the charge brought against them by Mr.,Heyworth, they will appear , and justly so, guilty of a gross dereliction of duty; and, if not explained, it will place them in a bad opinion in society. We are accused of meeting together at the Angel Inn, to' predecide questions, without regatd to what might take place afterwards; when, to use the expression of Mr. Heyworth, if he had a giant's strength in argument, it would be of no avail to alter that predetermination. I confess 1 have not had the opportunity of witnessing the giant strength of Mr. Heyworth. (Great confusion.) That. gentleman said I came bound hand and foot to the arrangements decided on at the hotel. We were not absolutely bound hand and foot; but we came with the determination to support measures that were brought forwards in that meeting. As to the number of the persons present, they were stated at forty. I cannot ascertain whether that statement is correct or not. In my opinion, the number did not amount to half that. But perhaps the little bird that communicated the intelligence of That meeting may have taken a more correct report. 1, for one, repudiate the sentiment that any pre -arrangement was ever entered into at the Angel, or at any other place; it never prevented me from the free expression of my sentiments whenever I entered the council. I feel that I am the representative of an important section of this town. My constituents repose confidence in me,', and I should suffer in their, estimation if I came to this room fettered on any subject that was to be discussed. On the dock trust question. the object at 'the nieeting was . to consider--and perhaps this explanation is due to the public—who would be likely best to discharge the duties or that important office—who eould devote th e time, and had the talents for it, and to ascer tain if the- gentlemen called' upon would stand; that was ( t olt! vbject ,%c meeting. But if any gentleman had been t Uses seusequently better qualified than the person nalne , t at the meeting, I should have felt myself perfectly independent to have voted for ;inn. I did not hear a no,oiser proposed of the eloquence of the ineini;er for Evertou ( Mr. Jas. Heyworth,) but perhaps it was thOught that some plain, home-spoken man of business, who had some time to spare for the improvements which were going on in the town, would be preferable. They wanted no poetic effusions—no Parnassian flights; they wanted men of business, and therefore overlooked that talented gentle (Loud cries of " Hear.") A charge has been made that deep dishonour bas been inflicted on every councillor in the town— Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTII.—I deny it, sir; I have ex pained that point ; the word I made use of was council. Mr. Councillor COGI, A N.—l am very glad to find that I was wrong. He says it is no use urging any subject here with a servile majority against them. Who sends the members here but the people ? But perhaps the gentleman thinks that only 17 of his party are here who represent the distinguished classes of society. lie says, that to adopt the line policy we have adopted is an act of paltry cowardice. Where was the cowardice in our meeting together? We met, as I stated, for a particular purpose; hut, even taking it at his own showing, where is the cowardice? May it not be taken as an act of prudence in these 40 men meeting together? Might they not have felt the power —the dignity—the force—the genius or the 10 who were elected to protect the altar and the throne ? (Great applause.) Mr. Councillor LAWUENCE HEY‘voimi here rose and said— ' must call to order. l cannot see how we have the right to discuss questions here which have been urged out of doors. (Great confusion.) The MAYou.—I think we may go on. Mr. Councillor COG AN.—lt should go forth to the public that these statements are not correct in that attack on the council. There was an attempt made here to bring forward a charge that an attack was made upon the Bible. We have had enlightened men, who stand as high as Mr. Heyworth, with contrary opi n►ons. We have bad the statements of Mr. Blackburn and of Mr, Rathbone that the Bible is not sacrificed. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH here rose to speak, when he was interrupted by The MAYOR, who said—l think Mr. Co lan is now answering some observations that you have made. You introduced the question of the Bible. (Great confusion and uproar.) I think he has a perfect right to reply to those observations. Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE HEYWORTH,—Then I will here after reply to every speech that is uttered out of doors. (Up roarious confusion.) The MAYOR —Will you allow the discussion to proceed? (with great vehemence.) Your brother iutroduced the subject which Mr. Coglan was replying to. lam only very sorry that it was ever introduced by your brother. Mr. COGLAN.—I shati.proceed (amidst great confusion.) The MAYOR.—Certainlv. Mr. COGLAN.—If Mr. Hey worth's brother had said that he was sorry for what he had said, the matter would have ended. But he has said that it is substantively the same as he spoke. I feel it my duty to state distinctly that the charge here made, that the Bible is sacrificed, is not true. I will not use a stronger phrase. But it is essentially necessary that it should go abroad that the plan of education adopted is the same as in any school in this coun try; that the Bible is communicated whole and entire to the protestant children. Therefore those who say that the Bible is sacrificed have stated what is not true; and I hope that Mr. Heyworth will feel himself bound to come forwards and say, if he has visited those schools, that the Bible is there taught whole, entire, and usetutilated, and that no sacrifice has been made for party purposes. I shall not trespass longer on your time; but I think it is of the first importance to the dignity of the Com mon Council that no individual should take an advantage of an opportunity out of doors to state such a calumny—such a gross calumny against them, which, if true, would sink them in the public estimation. The whole statement is untrue and un justifiable. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH again rose, but was as sailed with a complete storm of cries of " Spoke, spoke." When they had a little abated, he said—No, no, that will not do. I submit to you I have the right now to stand here in my defence. The Mavoe.—l am very sorry really that this discussion has taken place. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—So was I. (A great uproar.) The MAYOR.—I hope for your protection (to the council). It has generally been considered that a gentleman could only speak once, except in explanation. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—Mr. Mayor, you will consider this a widely different case from the ordinary rule you have laid down. Here am I attacked first by one councillor, and then by another, and charged in a manner which I think shows neither much temp r, much good feeling, nor much good sense in those who have brought it ; and, surely, I may be al lowed to stand up in defence of my own opinions. The coun cillor for St. Anne's ward, (Mr. Coglan) has stated that gentle men did not come bound by any particular line of conduct pre viously entered into at the Angel Inn, to vote in any certain direction. I can only infer that they came so predetermined on the authority of an individual present at the meeting; and I beg it to be understood that it was ❑either of my brothers who made the communication to me. I was informed that every member of the Dock committee, appointed by this council, was appointed pre-determinately at the Angel Inn; and I think I have a strong corroboration of that circumstance from seeing a card in the hands of a member, on which were the names of every one of the members chosen. There was some resolution that was previously determined upon it was evident, because, al though all those members on the card were liberal members, when other liberal members were proposed in the council as amendments on those pre-determined names, they rose in quick succession and declined the honour; evidently showing that there was a predetermination entered into at the Angel Inn. This is a fair exposition of my meaning, when I said, " men came bound hand and foot;" and as to the numbers spoken of so assembled at the Angel Inn, if that meeting was an unjusti fiable one, I do not see that it is a matter of much consequence whether the number be frittered down to 20; but I had it on authority that the number was about 40; and the names of those fixed upon for the guidance of the dock estate were chosen at that meeting. I ask you—l ask the whole town — whether it is necessary that there should have been this previous meeting. I grant that some discussion may be had at these meetings, but it is not fair that -those of my political opinions should not attend them. They had as much right to be there as any members of the council. There is one thing which is not announced at all—the manner in which that meeting was convened. Ain I right, or am I wrong in stating that that meeting was convened by the Secretary of the Reform Associ tion ? (Loud cries of " No, no.") Then if lam wrong, lam wrong informed by a gentlemaa who was present at the meet ing. (Loud cries of " Name, name.") No; I will not name : I should betray a confidence which I am nut called on to do. If I have brought myselfinto an unpleasant situation I will not bring him into one. I should not have alluded to it if I had not been charged with something very gross and offensive. Are your circulars convening those meetings endorsed on the back " private," I ask ? If they are, does that correspond with the publicity we wish to give to our proceedings by having re porters at this table? (Great confusion and uproar.) The MAYOR.—I wish to make one observation ;it is, I wish to drew these observations to a close. I look on it, that in this circumstance of the Angel Inn, and this sort of work, we are going from the charge of those words that were so offensive to the council. ( Hear, hear.) Mr. COHOCiIIOY JAMES HEYWORTH.—" Political" was one of those words— . . The Mayon, (interrupting) and it is on that point that the council have demanded an explanation. Mr. Councillor JAsiEs II EY WORTR.—It was in the course of explanation when 1 was interrupted. Mr. Coglan has stated, that that class of society with which he was connected are looked upon by me by an aristocracy of feeling. I feel that the whole family of man are one flesh and blood ; and I say, I have as tender a sympathy for the meanest individual of the town, as any man can have that brawls for " liberty." I will not have my conduct contrasted as though I felt no sympathy for the poor. I feel for the poor as being the stable foundation of the grea t prosperity of this country, but at the same time that I do sac this, I say that there are, by God's ordination, different rank's of men to maintain the whole fabric of society, which no law can destroy. (Here the uproar was renewed, amidst loud cries of •‘ question. ') The MAYOR.—Come to the point (Hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—I will come to the point. I have told you before, I was sorry this question should have been mooted. I would not express-1 never intended to express any unkind feeling to the members of this council. To sub stantiate what I said further; I feel that the whole onus lies on my own shoulders. The word " cabal," if I used it, could only have the meaning of a large number of . gentlemen performin g ou t of doors duties which ought to be performed within these walls. It is a cabal in another sense. Notes were distributed from the table by Mr. Rathbone, by one of-your own servants. I ask if these letters were distributed, and by whose orders ? I con tend that no public servant (I allude to Mr. Crooke) ought to deliver partially, any letters to this council without delivering to all. (Great confusion.) The M A Yon (vehemently).—This is not the matter in ques tion. The words, the words; to the point. It is to the point of those offensive words. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTIL—I have explained them. The MAYOR.—If you have explained them satisfactorily we will go on. (Great confusion.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—I shall leave the sub ject, as I see such a torrent against me. I could have said much more, and something relatinc , to the chair itself. (Mr. Heyworth then sat down, amidst iiidiscribable confusion.) '1 he Mayon.—l shall be most happy to hear it. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTII.—No; I forbear. (Loud indistinguishable cries.) The MaYon.—l should wish to know if the council have thought my proceedings on this occasion proper. (Hear, hear.) I have endeavoured strictly to call Mr. Heyworth's attention to the offensive words used, not as to any political meetings, for I believe, that the gentlemen opposed to us in politics, had a meeting also. At the last meeting a gentleman whom I don't see here, drew out a resolution from his pocket, which I cer tainly did not see him write here. (Loud cries of " hear." ) Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE 11EYWORTH rose and was assailed with a complete storm of cries of "spoke, "spoke." The MA YOR.—I hope in the particular situation in which Mr. Heyworth stands that he will he allowed to speak. Mr. LAWRENCE HEYWORTH,—order having been somewhat restored, then said, I must say 1 utterly condemn the conduct of the member for St. Ann's Ward, (Mr. Coglan). Mr. Evans brought forward some offensive words. My brother explained those words. Mr. Coglan not satisfied with that must proceed to the matter and not the words. This must lead on to an in terminable discussion if proceeded with. lam persuaded if we take notice of every thing that transpires relating to this Coun cil we shall never have done. If he stated what was not cor rect, it was very proper to ask for an explanation and to retract what was wrong. but Mr. Coglan should go to the place where they were uttered and there discuss the question. To bring the question here will leadon to interminable discussions in matters with which we have nothing to do. There is one more observa tion I wish to - wake; it is this, my brother says he has private information of the meetings at the Angel. I don't know whe ther my brother has acquitted me of giving it. (" Yes," " yes.") I say that I have never communicated any thing to him, what ever I may do. Mr. Councillor RATHBONE.—I wish to say one word. The M A YOR;-1 hope only one word. Mr. Councillor RA THBONE.-1 think the good feeling of the Council is shown in bringing forward the report before the Council to allow of the retraction of such exceedingly offensive expressions. And I suppose if a gentleman would say that under the excitement of festivities, he would be glad of explain ing it away. Now I think it is very desirable, therefore, that that opportunity should be afforded to that gen tl eman to state t h at h e did not intentionally mean what appeared in the press. I hope that explanation will not be abandoned when the proceedings assume so black a character as that did. Mr. Heyworth did make a statement relative to our meeting at the Angel Inn, that we came from there " bound hand and foot." I distinctly deny that being the case. We did go there and did think on a list, and did agree, certainly, are ong ourselves, and that if we saw nothing better transpire for the community we did agree to sup port that list, which any man would do. Then as to our being summoned by the Secretary of the Reform Ass. , ciatiou, I do distinctly deny that we were summoned by any officer of the Association, or that we are bound in the slightest degree to that Association. Allow me about the letters. I did address a let ter to the Reform Members of the Council. I did ask an officer ui this Council to deliver it to the members of the Council as they came in. I asked it as a matter of courtesy and shall do so agata. If any one will say it is wrong to employ au officer of the Council—to give them letters to deliver, which do not give them any extra trouble, I shall not do so again. I shall not be lectured by any member of this Council, and if repeated I shall care very little about it. As to the Bible, (loud cries of "No," "no,") I merely state that the Bible is not excluded from the schools either north or south, but is better done than ever since the scho ils came into my management. (Great uproar and confusion.) I beg the protection of the Chair. I say that we have introduced one selection into the schools, the Church of England has introduced six. That is all I say. Mr. Alderman EvaNs. As having introduced the subject, I am entitled to reply. I , hall go into no extraneous matter, ex cepting into that regarding the docks. We did meet to elect thirteen men that we could depend upon to maintain inviolable the interests of this corporation on that committee. It was ne cessary we should not name any other, in order not to destroy the hold of the Corporation on the docks. I believe we could not have named any one of our opponents that was not com mitted in word and act, to the excluding the corporation from the docks. (Hear.) That is all I have to say to that. With re gard to speeches out of doors, I cerainly should not have no ticed them, except they proceeded from the members of our own body. There is the gravamen of the business; and /could not overlook this ; I consider this a matter / cannot pass over. I shall give the gentleman whatever benefit he pleases from the supposition that he has explained away those words: but to my understanding be has not. (Cries of "hear," "not a word.") And I will add, Sir, I will not presume to answer for the coun cil, it is nut'for an humble man like me, to cast a shield over them and protect them ; but as I am included individually, as an individual I fling back upon the utterer of these injurious and unwarrantable terms—l fling them buck upon him with all the scorn and contempt that is due to falsehood. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH immediately rose to re ply, but was assailed with almost deafening reiterations of " spoke," " spoke," " spoke." Mr. Heyworth endeavoured for some time to speak, but was unable to make his voice audi ble over a tumult which exceeded anything we ever heard in -any organized meeting. Finding the attempt useless, he at length sat down, saying, the conduct of the council was most complimentary to them. Mr. Councillor BoI.TON immediately rose, and said, "As there is no question before the council, 1 propose that we pro ceed to business". A dead silence of five or six minutes ensued, during which time, the Mayor held a consultation with Mr. Currie, Mr. Rath bone' the Town-clerk, and others. After which, The MAYOR said, I feel very great difficulty in the situation in which I ant placed. I ant sure I wish to discharge the duty imposed upon me, as well as'l can. The latter part of this question has certainly assumed a character it had not before, and Mr. Alderman Evans made use of a word—l think " false hood" was stated. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—" Yes." The MAYOR.—And upon that one point, I think Mr. Evans will have no objection to explain—that one point to Mr. Hey worth. A silence of some moments occurred, during which time, Mr. Alderman Evans sat perfectly still. Mr. Councillor JAMES H EYWORTH.—Why should I explain it. I have explained all I mean to explain. The MA YO R.—l hope you will not take offence. Mr. Councillor JAMES Hut woent.—l have discharged nay duty. The MA TOR.--I hope you will not be offended at me in having consulted a friend or two in order to allow you to depart from the general rules of the council. If you don't wish to say anything further, we can proceed. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—If the council are not convinced by what I have said, that anything I have mis stated in my observations has been a mistake and not a false hood, no possible exp tion I could make would be of any avail. I would offer no disrespect to any man. I feel that there is a proper degree of courtesy due to every individual; and I feel that a transgression of that rule has been most flagrantly committed in the present instance, and an outrage made on all decency of language. I did not speak a falsehood; I spoke the truth. (Mr. Heyworth again sat down amidst much confusion.) Mr. Councillor RATHBONE.—We must have a pledge that this quarrel does not go out of this room. It must be settled here. I beg to move that the Mayor be requested to require that engagement from the parties before they leave the room. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—I have no pledge,—" no oath recorded in heaven", but I have some regard for morality, for religion, and also of the necessity and propriety of defending myself. I have opinions which would prevent me from the line of conduct which the pioposition of Mr. Ratbbone has in view. I feel that I have a courage to do everything that is right, and I possess feelings which I hope would prevent me from doing any thing that was wrong. (Much confusion.) Mr. Councillor MORECROFT, (after a pause,) to settle this matter I have a resolution to propose. lam not one that is sa tisfied with the explanation that has been given. I beg to move this resolution "that the charges brought by Mr. Heyworth against the Members of the Common Council of being a servile majority, of sacrificing the Bible in the public schools, and of coming to the Council pre-decided, are untrue." I beg to move that Sir. Mr. Councillor BRIGHT.-1 beg to second that motion.— Whatever distinctions may be supposed to exist out of doors, I know none in this room. (Hear.) As the representative of a Ward of independent burgesses, I feel that they are attacked through this charge which has been brought against the Mein bers of the Council. I stand here as an independent man. As I before observed distinctions may be supposed to exist out of doors, but in this room I know none, and therefore I feel as in dependent as the best or the proudest of you all. (Hear, hear.) Nor will I consent that the Ward I represent shall be insulted by me. 1 have in all cases been governed by my conscience.— If my judgment has erred my heart is right. (Hear, hear.) In every vote 1 have given, I have given it conscientiously, and as long as I stand here I trust I shall do my duty. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Councillor JOHST SMITH.—I consider this subject ought to drop. I beg to move that we proceed to the business of the day. Mr. Councillor J. N. Woon.—l beg to second that. Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE HEYWORTII.—There has been an amendment proposed on a motion and I wish to state my views. I am afraid if we take that first resolution and adopt it in this Council we shall act a very tyrannical part. Men have various opinions and various shades of opinions, and if those opinions are not to be discussed out of this room, but to be deterred by such a vote as that, away goes `' liberality" altogether. No more liberty exists if men are to be brought before this tribunal and there condemned as that resolution seems to imply. Then instead of having a proper feeling towards each other we raise ourselves to tyrants, who having got the power are determined to exercise it with'the most flagrant injustice. I shall as a pub lic man lament it to the last day of my life if such a vile resolu tion is passed. (Here the uproar was again renewed with deafening cries of " Order,") It is "vile," because it infringes on the choicest blessing we have—our liberty, and every thing which trenches on our liberty is vile. Whatever it may be, my brother has withdrawn the odious nature of the words. (Great confusion, and cries of " No," " no he has not.") Mr. Councillor JAMES HEY WORTH.—I beg to state, that I have explained sufficiently to every candid mind. The words are before the public, and with my explanation of them before you. If lam wrong let me be punished by the judgment of the public; they are the legitimate party to judge. (Cries of " No, no.") I have said all I wish to say, and I don't care a rush, whether the resolution is passed or not. Mr. Councillor MORECROFT.—Are not wethe representatives of the public ? (Hear.) The :lla yoa.—Whatever resolution you please to move I am bound to put it from the chair. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTlL—Certainly. You pay me a great compliment. The whole of the prooceedings of this day have been complimentary to me. Mr. Councillor L A WRENCE#IEY WORTH.—I trust for the sake of decency, and justice, that the resolution will not be passed. I advocate the amendment. ' The MAYOR (to Mr. James Heyworth).—l understand you to say the whole proceedings have been complimentary. If you think I ought not to put this. resolution in the situation in which I am, I wish you to state it. I wish you to state distinctly, whether I ought to put this resolution ? (With great warmth.) Mr. Councillor JAMES Hintwokni.—l have no power over you. Neither the rules of courtesy nor the rules of this council can require such an observation from you to me. lam much obliged to you for it. Ido not charge any m ember with false hood; any member may be mistaken in hi s v iews, and when you charged the universities with being " shut out from the light of reason"—(An immediate, and indiscribable uproar drowned the conclusion of the sentence, in which the voice of Mr. Alderman Barclay was heard predominant, reiterating, " Shame, shame.") In the midst of this glorious row, The MAYOR started up with great beat, saying, " that has nothing to do with it—that is another Matter, sir. I thought by the observation that he has made, that he would insinuate that I had no right to put the resolution. Mr. Councillor JAMES H.EywosTu.—Cert a inly not. The MA YOR.-1 beg your pardon, I so understood. A pause here ensued, and there was a loud buzzing noise, as if every member was talking. At length Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN rose, and order having been somewhat restored, said, Mr. Heyworth has stated, that sub stantially what the report stated as his sentiments, are his ; though he does not take on himself to speak to the words. There may b e a difference in the words, but he does adhere to the substance, and he steadfastly adhers to the;sentiments which are there expressed as sentiments which he has expressed in this room. I would like to ask the councillor for Everton Ward, (Mr. Jas. Heyworth) what explanation he can give of the terms "servile majority," as applied to this body, to prevent their being per sonally offensive to the individual members of this council ? I wish to put it to his reflection, to his calm judgment, if I had used the expression at a ward meeting, that he came here " bound - hand and foot," whether he would not think such an observation as adddressed to himself an offensive expression, and such as ought to be withdrawn ? Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—Certainly not. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURNE.—Then he would not think it disrespectful ? There was a short pause, and Mr. Heyworth made no reply. Several of the members immediately exclaimed, " then there is an end of the matter." Mr. Councillor JAMES HEY WOETH--Certainly not; I don't know who the members were who met at the Angel Inn. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN. —Then, I ask how any man can attach an expression to a body which does not attach to an individual ? Men don't act in bodies in that way, so as to throw off all responsibility at all. Every man is responsible for his own acts. You cast a reflection on a large portion of the body constituting this council. You say as much as that they are led by the nose by some member who takes a lead amongst them. Is that a reflection Mr. Ileyworth would think justified. If I made use of such an expression in the warmth of argu ment, I should feel bound to give an explanation. It is (den siveln its very nature. It says that one or two of those in dividuals are persons who do not think for themselves; and if anything is offensive, that is offensive. I thought 1 would just put one point, whether he would strictly adhere to that. For my own part, I shall vote for the previous question. I shall not vote for the recording on our minutes of a direct censure of those sentiments ; not because I approve of them—not be cause Ido not think them censurable. Strong language ought to be used with regard to them, and that member would do well to withdraw them, and put an end to the question by making an explanation which ought to be made; but I shall vote to proceed to business, because I think it is making the subject of too much importance. I think it letter to let the matter rest here. I merely put it to him again, as a matter for his con sideration, whether applying the term " a servile majority," is not very offensive to every member here? Mr. Councillor RATIIEONE rose amidst loud cries of "Spoke, spoke." I only wanted to speak in explanation of one remark. The Mayott.—He has not spoken on this business. Mr. CouncillorH OPE.—l should be glad if the mover of the motion would withdraw it. (Loud cries of "No, no.") 'lt is attaching too much importance to the subject. Mr. Councillor It ATHuoNE.—Why, I would vote for the mo tion if it is put. If it had been Merely a convivial meeting, and remarks had been made in broggaducia that " I am prepared to repeat this in the, council," it would be different. But, as it is held forth that he is prepared to beard us in our own council at such a meeting, these expressions should be noticed. (Hear, hear, and great confusion.) Mr, Councillor CURRIE rose, and when order had been re stored, said—l should feel a reluctance to pass a vote of censure on a newspaper report, and also on another ground ; because I am williii.g to make great allowances for those persons—l speak it without disrespect—for those persons who unfortunately 1,4 y DEC. 9, 18.36• ilty nature are guilty of a volubility of expression—who are gu _„, of words they would not in cooler moments make use of. I cu"f Sider the place and the occasion—that he was at a meeting e the ward which he represents; and I consider the audience ,_en tertaining his views diametrically opposed to those of majority of this body, and I am willing to make allowanc e expressions which the councillor himself says he does not pre .. cisely recollect. He entertains opinions different to the inc:f jority of this council. We know that he does not pledge himo. to the expressions. When he says that, lam willing for one to let the thing pass by; but I do think the idea of recordinees vote on this question is giving it an importance which it do not deserve, considering the quarter from which it comes. Mr. Councillor Mou E ca oFT .—l certainly very reluctantly withdraw this ; b ecause I conce i ve i t i s no t an insult only to but it is an i nsu lt t o our cons tit uen t s . I co nceive, sir, that 11' has been stated that this was a convivial meeting; but when culprit is brought before a magistrate for having got too nt" drink—(loud cries of " No, no" which drowned the con clusion of the sent ence .) P er h aps itwould be making Mr. HeY." lt t too much to record s u c h a reso luti on on our minutes, and in tha respect I will withdraw it. he MAymt.—l am very glad. I hope this discussi on will prevent anything of th e kind goiny on again, a nd all gentle men will be guarded in expres s i ons , which cannot 'be justified, on this council. The usual routine of busin ess was th en commenced, a nd the deputy town-clerk read over the minutes of the last meeting. FINANCE COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS. At a meeting of the committee on the 11th of November W, Wallace Currie, Esq., was el ec t e d c h a i rm an in the room a' Alexander Leatbom, who vacated his seat on his elect ion as chairman of the dock committee. art of the The TOWN-CLERK read a lengthy document, as , p proceedings of the finance committee, whi c h he had forwa rde n to that committee. The substance of it was, that he had tonal' dered it his duty to asce r t a in w h e th er th e corporation was li able to contribute to the parish under the reform ac t. The corpora' fund was no lonerdisposable of at the will of the council. It! corporation, like individuals, was rateable with respect to in vidual occupation ; but he contended that the corporation go" in the light of-a public trust, and ought, on the same grounds a s other trusts, to be exempted from the payment of parish rates: He instanced the cases of the River NI , eaver trust and the dock trust. The 92d section of the municipal act laid down the Pur poses to which the borouh fund should be applied---4o the Par, tnent of the various officers of the corporation, expense s prosecutions of offenders, maintaining the gaol, the constabu lary, lary, and other expenses, which should be necessarily incurred _ in carrying into effect the provi s i o ns o f th e act. The surplus t° be applied to the improvement of the borough, and in case of a deficiency . that defficiency to be made good by a borough rat e i ; The municipal act by the 92d section threw on to the boro u g fund charges borne by the county, for which the county was accounted in the parish rate; and by the 117th section of the municipal act the whole residue of the county charges falling o , l ' the parish were to be paid by th e cor p ora ti on ou t of the boroug h fund. The county rate from which the p al i s h was exonerat e, ' amounted to £11,583 17s. sd. per annum on an average o f the last seven years. The parish rate reduced by this e xoneratio n charged the corporation £4,126. 165.; consequently, if the cor poration be not liab'_e to the rate, the palish would still Pi° £7,457. Is. 31 at the expense of the borough fund, and the whole parish must immediately feel this relief. Several coun sels' opinions had been taken on the subject, and the prepon derance in number and authority was in favour of the corpora: tion not being rateable, and the opinion was to appeal against the rate. He had taken the necessary steps for forwarding that appeal, and, if not opposed, an amicable arrangement would be come to at the borough sessions for taking a pro forma decision, and which might be done at an expense of £l5O. It was neces sary that the qnestion should he legally settled. The proceedings of this committee were then confirmed. LEASES' COMMITTEE. A number of applications for leases were read. Proceeding* confirmed. WATCH COMMITTEE. At a meeting of the Watch Committee on the 4th of Nev.' Mr. Joshua Walmsley was elected Chairman of the Commit tee for the ensuing year. A lengthy document was r e ad r ecommending that there should be some directing control over the collectors of the rate s r as too much was left to their discretion, and recounning the ar pointmentment of two additional collectors. Resolved that the salary of the collectors be £lBO per annum with a bOnus at the end of the veer, to be given according t (7 merit, but no salary to exceed £2lO per annum. Resolved that Thomas Armstrong and William Santly, Ju from their uniform good conduct in the treasurer's (Ace, ' e appointed as the new collectors ; and that an advertisement be inserted in the papers for the appointment of two clerks to h , the vacancy caused by their appointment. At a meeting of the Sub-Committee of the Watch Committee held the 12th November, 1836, present Joshua Walmsley, Chairman, &c. &c. &c., a leading article in the Liverpool gel , Nov. 12, impeaching the conduct and character of individm" s of the police force, having been read, it was resolved unto!" mously, that the Chairman do write to the Editor of the Math, requesting his attendance before the Committee ou 'Tuesday afternoon next, to substantiate the charges, and produce the proofs mentioned in the leading article of his paper of that date: In compliance with this r e s o luti o n, the chairman sent the f Ol lowing letter : "TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL MAIL. " Liverpool, 12th Nov., 1836. _ " Sin,—ln the Li ver p co l M a il , o f t hi s morn i ng , I perceive following statement in the leading article We assert, vot' s out any fear of contr a di c ti on susta i ne d b y f ac t s , th a t there 134 been no diminution of crime since the introduction of the no' . police. On the con t rary, we b e li eve t h at so fdr as the pollee themselves are concerned, there has been an increase of c rime , an increase of cruelty, an increase of false swearing, an increab e , of lying, an inc rease o f su b orne d test i mony, an i nc rease ).1 venal and profligate i n f ormat i ons , an i ncrease o f ex t or tion, bery, and corruption, an increase of intimidation and commu table license, and a n i ncrease o f remorse l ess, 'invidious, att u unpardonable oppre s si on . W e b e li eve a ll t hi s , and are able to prove it, if required.' As Chairman of the Watch Committ ee ' I beg to inform you, that a Sub-committee will sit at the office in Fenwick-street, on Tuesday next, the 15th instant, at three o'clock. And, as the statement in the Mail is calculated mate rially to affect the character and efficiency of individuals of the police force, the committee, anxious to investigate such charges , request the favour of y o u r a tt en d ance with p roo f s .—l a m, Sir , yours respectfully, JOSHUA WALMSLEY, Chairman.' " " At a meeting of the Watch Committee, held this 19th Nov, 1836, present Joshua Wahnsley, Esq., Chairman, &c. &c. Ste. , Resolved unanimously, That the Editor of the Liverpool Mail , not having complied with the respectful request of the Sub committee, in reference to the assertion in his Journal of Satur day last, impeaching the character and conduct of individual s of the police force, this Committee, in the absence of proofs , which he deelared himself ready to produce, feel themselves bound in duty to declare, that the allegations made, by him are unfounded. And it was further resolved, that, in justice to the character of the police force, the resolution of the Sub-commi t " tee and the letter of the chairman, together with the foregoing resolution, be published once in each of the Liverpool papo , r , - " By order, CAPES ASHLIN, Secietury• Proceedings confirmed. IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. An application for land from the Union Bank declined.. - cept on terms of a negotiation for some other land. If this!! declined, the purchase recently made by the Union Bank 11l be included in the intended imp rovemen t bill. —Proceeding' confirmed. TOWN DUES COMMITTEE. The amount of the dues of Mr. Bibby and others were order ed to be made out. Mr. Alderman LEATIMMII said it might he necessary to ex plain why they had taken proceedings against one of their owo body. Jr. Bibby claimed exemption from town-dues, on the ground of having taken out his freedom. The committee thought he had no ground s on w hi c h t o c l a i m t o b e exem pt e d, and had ordered an action to be commenced against him, and others who also claimed exemption.—Procoedings confirmed. AIARKET COMMITTEE. A notice had been received from the Liverpool and Manches- Fish Company, that they were about -to be dissolved, and that stalls for them in the Fish-market would not be required. -- Proceedings confirmed. TOWN-BALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. Resolved, that the keeper of the Sessions-house be required not to furnish any more stationary for the assize courts without further orders from the committee.—Proceedings confirmed. EDUCATION COMMITTEE. Resolved, that Mr. liathbone be elected chairman for the ensuing year.—Proceedings confirmed. Mr. Councillor RATHBONE said he wished to make one re mark about the schools. He did not wish to carry on into the enemies camp, but there had been a placard written by th e Rev. Hugh M`Neile, put into the schools. It was a very silly affair, very cleverly done, he must admit. He only wished it to go forward to the public, that the people may know wha t , they are to expect from the Rev. Rector C am pb e ll's mode tuition of the children. Every child had that ridiculous thing put into its band. He wished to know whether that was the way to encourage christian feeling ? DOCK COMMITTEE. Resolved, that the attention of the councillors be drawn to the insufficient state of the vavement in Bath-street.—Proceedi n g s confirmed. _ . _ A letter was addressed to the council, signed Charles Pain. The letter complained that the writer had not been fairly dealt with by the council, in a contract for some hats. A long explanation was entered into by Mr. Walmsley, to the, effect, that a smaller order was given hi m merely as a trial °' his hats, as they were not considered as good as other samples- The following aldermen were then chosen for some of the wards: Scotland ward Aldetman Blain; St. Paul's ward, A id- Stuart; Exchangeward, Alderman Brown ; Castle-street ward, Alderman Robinson; St. Peter's ward, Alderman Lil a " them ; Pitt-steet ward, Alderman Booth ; Great Georg e 0 7 street ward, Alderman Freme ; Lime-street ward, Alderman Heyworth ; West Derby ward, Alderman Moon : North TO. teth ward, Alderman Jones; South Toxteth ward, Aldermen' Smith. The remainder to be chosen at the next meeting. ASSESSMENT OF THE WATCH RATE. The TOWN-CLERK said, the Council was empowered to lev t the old rate for the nightly watch. The Watch Committee ha ascertained the average annual ratefor the last seven years t° be £8,527 12s. lid, and this was the amount for which they w ere , entitled to levy. This was the amount levied, but it was no' competent to pay the day and night police by one-half. Th e nearest rate that could he levied to the sum above stated, wa, s two pence and six-seventeenths of a penny in the pound, wh„if; gave £8,515 18s. Id., with which they must be content. lu next proceeding would be for the Mayor to issue his warrant to the High Constable for the levy. MR. RATHBONE said, it might be necessary to state, that thi s was not a borough rate, nor was it any increase whatever. The TowN-CLERK explained that it was not in their p oiler to levy for more than the old rate, and that this levy being °Vet the whole borough, new and old, there would be a great sav in g to the community. • de Mr.WALrtsLEY gave a recapitulati on o f th e s t a t e ments ma i _ by the Town-clerk with re gar d t o t h e rates paya ble by the borough fund, and those o f w h ic h t h e par i s h was ex empted ""f the municipal bill, and conc l u d e d b y mov i ng t il e a doption )_, certain resolutions o n thi s su bj ect rea d b y t h e "rown-cler ic which were seconded by Alderman Fretne. RATE. Mr. ROBINSON said BOROUGH , that Mr. Walmsley had said if there should ever be a deficiency impression) be a borough rate.-- There was a very general out of doors thar there was to . be a borough rate levied. He wished to be informed ou the subject. The TOWN-CLERK said, as far as he could underst and be thought there w ou ld h e nn borough rate. an Mr. Councill or C URRIE sa id , the Town-clerk in answ er to enquiry of M r . R o bi nson stated, that his own opinion was, that there would be no necessity for i borough rate. " I take the op portunity of s a yi ng , th a t from my official capacity, I know t b n, the question of a b oroug h ra t e never w a s talked of or th ou g of." (Hear.) THE LIVERPOOL NEW GAS AND COKE COWPANY• The TOWN CLERK read a memorial, signed Benjamin Tho mas, from the Liverpool new s nd coke company. The memorial stated, that, that company had asce rtained that the Council had entered into a contract with the old gas companY, for lighting Everton and West Derby. The act of parliamen' on which the new gas company was formed. gave tha t company the exclusive right of entering those townships. It also stated,