The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-12-09 00:00:00

PUBLIC HALL. A T a MEETING of the COMMITTEE of the 1-IL.SUB SCRIBERS to a FUND for the Erection of a BUBLIC HALL, The Rev. Rector BROOKS, in tha Chair, It was resolved, That, as misapprehensions has arisen as to the purposes to which the net Profits to arise from the proposed Build►ng will be applied, the Committee feel it incumbent on them to declue that such Profits must necessarily be divided rateably amoliig the Shareholders. That as soon as a sum of Money is subscribed which, in the opiaiiia of the Committee, will justify the Work being proceeded in, they will call a meeting. of the Subscribers, to appoint a Committee and make the necessary arrangements. (Signed,) JONATHAN BROOKS, Chairman. LIST OF St ...ClOOl BSCRIBERS. Sir John Tobin • Thomas Brancker 100 Mr. James Aipinall 100 Chris. Rawdon Charles Lawrence 1(X) Joseph C. Ewart Charles Tay teUr lOO James Moon William Nicol SaMuel Turner' lOO Thomas Booth George Holt Enoch Harvey Thomas Avison 101) John Mather James Harvey William Rathbone EX) James Mulleneux lOO Thomas Rawson, Tax teth-p a rk • Edward Patten James Rawdon William Dixon IOC Charles Smith Wm. lark, jun lOO Hardman Earle 10) Alex. Miiegregor Richard Edwards John Cropper lOO •Samuel T. !lobs. Joseph Sanders lOO 'John Moss- • lOO T. F. Dyson George Grant lOO James Cockshott 100 -Thomas lirocklebank 1(X) James Rev worth 100 Luke T. Crossley Roskell William Lynn , John Rubin 1(X) Vincent Higgins John Holden John Mulholland Hugh Jones Richard H. Jones I(X) John Holt Joseph NT. Walker William Shard William Harrison John A. Tinne 'Nicholas Roskell John Crosthwaite Benjamin H. Jones John P. Heywood S. H. Thompson William Nevett lOO Richard Jones Joseph King Richard Beubuw John Benbow Robert Woodward Robert Semple Richard Lawson ...„ lixi Is. Barned Lewin Mozley James Rainey 'loo Henry Byrom, jun • Thomas Bold Samuel Hope lOO John Bent Edward Moon lOO Jonathan Higginson 1(X) G. B. Irlam lOO Charles Okill. lOO , William Stuart Lawrence Ily.'sorth lOO J. S. Leigh. 101) Samuel Sandbach lOO Wm. Brown Robert Dudgeon 1(X) Joseph B. Yates Mr. John Hall William Nixon 5O Edward Burne Spencer Steers Henry Latham John Henry John Ridgway George Ashton E. Arnaud. Henry Ashton . Thomas Wilson Richard Harrison George Wild William Smith G. Henderson . W. H. Gilliat D. Jackson John Tomkiuson Richard Houghton Henry Amas Duncan J. Stewart William Nickson James Muir Sand. M'Culloch John Ainsworth Rey. E. Hull Andrew Melly George Prevost Saint. T. Winstanley Thomas Wilson W. G. Weiss W H. Goore Thomas Avison, jun G. Le N. de l'Osier John Topharn James Cunningham Robert Clay George Comer Thomas Winstanley Thomas Baines. G. W. Crook Rev. Jonathan Brooks Mr. Thomas Harvey William Sudlow John Sudlow James Crosbie William J. Myers John Myers, j un. James Buchanan F. M. Gillanders John Highfield • William l3randreth Henry Ripley Benjamin Thomas Peter Serjeantson Thomas Browne William Reynolds James Gibson John Jerdein . William J. Browne John Campbell James Howell Joseph Parton William Coiner James Ma wdsley Edward G. Deane 'Edward Wilson, jun Lassell Rev. T. S. 11(m-stead Mr. Samuel Perrott Edwin Maw Dr. Reynolds Mr. John North, jun Mrs. 'l'. Earle Mr. William Carter 'l'. B. Barclay Samuel Thornely 25 Richard Bright 25 Patrick Parker 25 George Parsons .. • • 25 Thomas Newton ..• • 25 Thomas D. Headlam . 25 Win. Myers, jun. 25 P. W. Braneker Joseph Brooks • David Walker Edward Lane 25 J. B. Clough 25 Thomas Haigh Edward Jones Charles Barnard ..• 25 William healing ...• 25 George Booth 25 William Wales 25 Rev..l. Da. 25 J. C. Prince 25 Mr. Gardner Boggs 25 E.. S. Boult . 25 Swinton Roult 25 William Bentley 11. Stevenson 25 Patrick Vance George Worthington 25 John Murray 25 John Walsh I. 0. Bold . William Latham H. E. Evans C. F. Carne M. Telo Itobeit Alston William Tyrer 25 Anthony Swainsou John Davies Richard Rawson Edward Chaloner 25 James Lister 25 David Kent D. Buchanan 25 D. C. Buchanan Chas. B. Buchanan Julius I'ocke 25 J. D. Thornely Miss Thornely Mather J. Mather 25 Mr. Robert Mather Daniel Mather A. Rawson 25 J. B. Smith 25 William Ripley 25 William Starkie 25 C. T. Dunlevie .. .. . 25 A. and W. Littlejohn. 25 'l'. Maynard .. Samuel Sudl ow 25 • 1. It. Cheney 95 Timothy Bourne 2 1 Robert Graham 25 William Reynolds 25 Wm. Retnolds, jun 25 Thomas head Richard Crewe 25 W. R. Prince William Thompson Elias J. Mozley 25 Charles Mozley 25 • J. M. Banner 25 H. W. Banner J. F. Cannell 25 W. Ockleston W. S. Miller 25 W. Sharp James Powell N. Cairns 'l'. Mac Gill George Robinson Daniel Neilson John Cragg Robert Arrott 25 David Lamb 25 James Macgregor 25 John Leyland. 25 Charles Holland Wm. Mountfield -25 Rev. James Case Mr. Balleny 25 ltiehd. Forshaw, jun 25 Henry Forshaw 25 Cornelius Bourne Colin Campbell 25 • Edward Parry G. D., per W. Earle 25 13enj. Buchanan Jelin Priestley Michael Ashton •25 Jos. Yates Ashton 25 IL P. Ashton 25 Thomas Kaye Sam. Clegg, Allerton 25 Isaac Worthington James M ander %Wm. Taylor Prosper Devaux .. • • 25 Win. B. Colton 2r Henry Hamer Richard Tetley Edward Gibbon.. John Platt Benjamin Platt 25 Henn. l'atrY Rev. W. Blundell 25 Mr. John Weightman '25 M. D. Lowndes James Robinson. Samuel J o h nson .. '25 Richard Asoinall Wm. John Tomlinson 25 Joseph Hess John Ellison Mar. Martin Dr. Banning dr. William Banning 25 • John Scholfield 25 Thos. Nixon, jun. Chris. Paterson.— Edward Horne W. Brown, Everton lOO Andrew Low ... lOO James P. Edwards 10( Same,. Braneker 101 ltd. B. B. Hollinshead Blundell James Musprat t James Dempsey ..., Robertson Gladstone., Thomas Sands Pottison-Ellatnes Edward Holt William W. Currie Robert A. Fletcher F. Gout h wait() Joseph Itirnby Thomas Coglan W. Carliterigh t Richard Bateson Charles T. Hadfield Samuel Kearslev John Green Ambrose' Lace Thomas Thornel Henry R. Sandbach G. H. Lawrence John Marriott Henry Harrison Matthew Jee Francis Haywood 'llamas Bolton R. L. Bolton S. S. Gair Daniel Willink R. Zwilchenl ' srt E. Zwilchenbart Harold Littledale Joseph Langton T. S. Gladstone R. W. Bateson Robert Jones W. R. Saudhach William Gladstone Thomas D. Lewis Henry Holmes John Holmes Harmood Banner Samuel Holine, James lioltne, jun. J. Wordley W. P. Busbby , F. Shand Henry Booth Jos. Lace, jun Miles Barton Hugh li ()ruby N. D. Bold \V. H. Tayleur T. K. Finlay Henry Ripley W. A. Brown J. 0. Watson Charles S. Middleton Michael Humble William Claxton J. W. Gibson. Edward Littledale J. G. Bateson W. P. Hutchinson, j n Jos. Shipl,7 Samuel Stanifoith... James Gilfillan Richard Radcliffe John Beckwith John Stockdale" -Robert Beim John Pa rker Joseph Thompson .1. Nelson Wood James Aikin David Cannon John Fletcher Hugh Mure Thomas Stewart N. Salisbury T. H. Turner William Oxlev James Wrighly. George Wrigley ..„. S. IL Walsh Win. St. Albin R. Duckworth W. 11. Whitehead M'Cracken W.' 0. Porfei Thomas Todd J. T. .. erMr.liadtley Joseph Ridgway A. Thompoo W. Dickisou Wm. Lowe W. Ashburuer John Stewart. John Woollriglrt Charles Booth Charles Too uley Robert Wilson R. V. Yates Thomas Smith Charles Birch William Potter Richard Rathbone • Dr. O'Donnell Mr. George Brown .. .• • John O'Neill Francis O'Neill R. E. Harvey Eicher(' Moen C. H. Jones .. B. W. Wood William Watson John Clint Thomas Rogerson James Budd Charles B. Young Thomas Leathom John Deane Case Dr. Brandreth Mr. Wm: Rotherham Edward Crud •• • • - 3.Ain Goad Sgn ig" Peter Girvitaw al".- Robert Gi11..... James Bates o •. Thomas Tobin Arnold Harrison .. R. W. Appleton Barth. Norton James Duncan Ellis S. Yates W. P. Hutchinson John Beard ' • • James Dawson Thos. H. Alison .. . 2.5 C. H. Townley, RN.. '25 Wm. Shuttleworth .. 2.5 Richard Earle,l.oudon 25 Samuel Towers .. 25 Win. D. Chidsou .... 25 Edward Storrs Thomas Woolfield Thos. jun 25 Ellis M. Brodie 25 Hugh J. Sanderson .. 2f) Wellwood Maxwell .. 2.5 Andrew Kurtz2s George Ramsden .... 25 James T ioughton •• • 25 `VU U. raucker ...... 25 Wi . Hall .. . 25 .. . 25 Thomas Willi s . . ... • 25 John Finch jun. .. z John Haselden ... . 25 Alexander Maxwell.. 25 Mr. Henry Hill ' £25 George Maxwell 25 William Foxbery 25 J. T. Patterson ' 25 John Shand Thomas Cooke 25 C. R. Taylor 25 William Waln Raym. W. Houghton 25 Thomas Lee Lewis Samuel Henry Dyson George J. Wainwright 25 P. Hare 25 G. Crosfield G. Atkyns William Jevons 25 Thomas Jevons 25 Timothy Jevons Wm. Jevons, jun 25 Wm. Woods t 25 R. H. Bownis Rev. Win. Hesketh 25 Mr. John Richardson Jackson .... 25 1 Subscriptions will be received mittee, a List of whom is subjoi COMM I The Rev. Rector Mr. Hardman Earle The Mayor Mr. T. R. Eirelay R. W. Bateson Thomas Booth James Crosbie W. Wallace Currie William Dixon Josepk C. Evart George Graut R. B. Harvey Francis Haywood Samuel Holme Samuel Hope Joseph Hornby Richard Houghton C. B. Irla►n Thomas Kaye Samuel Kearsley A. Lace Mr. JAM] Mr. E. G. Alr. THO Mr. John Pierce Samuel M 4 Cullock G. Bennion . 25 John Pattinson 95 James C. Hatton 2 5 Edward Hinie ... William Hurry 2.5 John Richardson P. E. Weber . Mrs. Cardwe11....... r 25 Mr. Benjamin Frankland 25 Edward Lister Mrs. Baekhouse Mr. James Davies James Ingram It. He •der..-- 25 - .. S.. enderson A. Henderson William Statham Wm. Wrenshall, jun 25 James Judwn . 25 R. L. Millar Robert Cain Mrs. Phillips Total £23,075 by each Aleinber of the Com ,ned ITTEE. Brooks, Chairman. !, Deputy-Chairman. Mr. Joseph Langton Charles Lawrence Andrew Low James Moon John Moss Lewin Motley W. Nicol W. Rathbone Christopher Rawdon Henry Sandbach Charles Smith Thomas Thornely Samuel Turner Joseph N. Walker Thomas Winstanley John Woollright W. Wordley John Wright. 3f3 A.SPINALL, 'Treasurer. DEANE, 3. HARVEY, Secretaries. LIVERPOOL SESSIONS. The intermediate sessions, commenced on Tuesday last, corder. recently appointed to he held, before James Clarke, Esq., Ite- The following gentlemen were sworn on the grand jury:— Richard Dawson, Esq., Foreman. Thomas Bouch, Isaac Cooke, George Quayle, John Shand, Wm. Alexander Brown, James Flouibrook Smith, Robert Wilson, John Goodwin, James Brownell Boothby, Josh. Robinson Pim, John M'Laurin, Thomas Martin, John Davidson, William Ridyard, John Wright, jun., William Field Porter, Esq., George Dickson, And John Stewart, I Ralph Abraham, Esqrs. After the usual proclamation against Vice and immorality had been read, The Reconoert proceeded to deliver his charge as follows,— Gentleineu of the Grand. Jury, I am extremely gratified by seeing your punctual attendance this morning. The state of crime in the town or Liverpool absolutely calls for the Sessions which are now convened ; because if we look at the calendar and consider that it is only six weeks since the sessions and ge neral geed delivery was held here, and see 70 cases submitted. for your consideration, it is quite alarming to think that each a mass of crime exists, and your attendance becomes absolutely necessary. I say 1 rejoice to see your punctual attendance to day, because [ find that in an adjoining district, at Kirkdale, the Grand Jury does not attend in the way that the countrs , would wish it to do—so I learn from the chairman of those ses sions. , I mini a little surprised at it, because the privilege of sit ting on - juries, by-Sir Robert Peel's jury bill, having been very much extended, enables those who before were shut out from the privilege nosy to possess it. As you well know, you and various classes of the community, consisting of highly respecta ble classes of persons, were, before the operation of Sir Robert Peel's bill, shut out from sitting on Grand Juries. What Sir R. Peel's bill enacted for the country at large the municipal bill has extended to you. The privilege of sitting on juries is now extended to a vast number of persons, who have now an oppor tunity of taking a share in the administration of Justice ; the community may now be said to be parties in the administration of the law. And it is a great satisfaction that we have, when we are surrounded by intelligent men whenever we coins to pro nounce sentence on the crimes brought against our fellow-sub jects, because their knowledge of the world brings to their minds a degree of knowledge of men that a more retired and high de partineut of life cannot possess ; therefore it is a satisfaction to see the class of which I speak attending on the Grand Jury as you are this day. 1 have looked over the depositions and I don't find any case requiring ninny observations. I perceive they denote the crime of larceny in all its bearings ; larceny in the streets, larceny in warehouses, larceny on the person, and iu short larceny exists in all its ports, and you will have to ap ply your minds to the various cases that have to be brought be fore you. 1 don't think any of them will entangle you in point of fact or in point of law, but if any case should di' so I shall be happy to give you what assistance I can. Some cases will coins before you for receiving stolen goods, and it will be proper for you to observe whether they have been received at distinct times or at several times, because the judges have held that if the receiving be at four different times, for instance, or more than one party be engaged in the receipt, the indictment must be laid in these cases for separate offences. You cannot con vict two men of a joint receiving, but their crimes must be viewed as distinct ; and I have given directions to the intelli gent kilicers here, to draw their indictments with that view of the subject, and I hope the cases will come before you clearly and correctly drawn. On looking over the depositions 1 find many of the'prisoners say, " I am sorry for it, I was drunk ;" and frequently the prosecutors also are in a state of intoxication. So long as such intemperance does exist, that alone, I am afraid, will prove a great source of crime. The learned judge who presided here and at Lancaster during the last assizes made this observation in both cases " that intem perance was the great source of crime; that many of the cases in the calendar were to be attributed solely to intem perance." It he had sat here to day he would have found abundant cause for that observation, for nearly every case iu the calendar has grown out of intemperance. One great misfortune in intemperance in prosecutors is this, that when they come into the witness-box their minds turn out to be com pletely oblivious on the subject of their complaint, and their evidence is confused and unsatisfactory. A man at the last sessions was asked dim knew a person who hail robbed him of 50 sovereigns? His evidence was so embarrassed that I could not rely on his testimony, and the jury were of that opinion along with myself, and acquitted the prisoner of the crime. The prisoner might have been guilty, or be might have been inno cent; but when a man puts himself in that state that his me mory must be imperfect, we must not trust on that account to his evidence, however anxious we luny be to convict. A man who cannot detail evidence with sufficient certainty puts himself out of the pale of the law—the law cannot protect him. When he comes as a witness and it turns out that he has this very im perfect recollection, the law cannot avail him, and he is actunliy put out of the pale of the law. I mention this to show the evils which result from intemperance. I ant glad to see that there is a most earnest desire to promote temperance and habits of morality throughout the country. Every institution that pro motes temperance, instead of being treated with derision, ought to be respected fur its object. I think all institutions, whose object is to recommend temperance, are entitled to the highest consideration ; for if we keep men temperate, depend on it, that instead of quarter sessions being required, sessions once a year would be sufficient. One half of the crimes from which society new suffers are owing to habits of intemperance. There is one subject to which I would call your attention 1 find that letters are lying before me which relate to the protection of wrecked property, either on the Cheshire or on the Lancashire shore, which state that such property is altogether unprotected, unless it is preserved and watched by the police of Liverpool. Letters are lying before m e thanking the officers for their great exertions, to which the writers attribute the protection of their property. This is a state of thines which ought nut to exist. I wish the merchants of Liverpool would unite and see if some thing could not be done to check this enormous offence. It is discreditable to England to think that men not pressed on by poverty, will come down deliberately, to seize what property amidst lepe rs on fur misfortunes the m we meaner belonging to others they can h fi u n ni d a , any humane And I do think that if purposeswouldn ( e ) tl most the avariciousheart ot a p n l there were a meeting well formed, with good and strong reso- Intions to be passed, stating that these practices ought to be put an end to—if such feelings were to be stirred up throughout the cou ntry, eman ating from Liverpool, I do bel ieve t h at the tone of the people with reference to this crime might be altered. If these o b serva tions should be acted upon, I trust the means taken may succeed, and that they may put an end to these dis graceful oractices. I have no other obseivatious to make to you,gentlemen: and dismiss y ou to your duties. heGrand Jury then retired to find true bills. We are obliged to omit our report of the cases tried fur wan of si a -e, until our next publication 25 '25 25 25 BANKING AT CARLISLE. (From the Carlisle Patriot.) lire have been informed flout good authority that there is a probability of the Bank of England establishing a Branch Bank in this city, which we think will be of great utility, as it will make the circulation of the district exchangeable in cash. It is with great satisfaction we state that the mercantile and trading interests of Carlisle, and the surrounding country, have not suffered materially from the unfortunate occurrences in its banking concerns, from the want of a circulating medium, as the chasm created by the stoppage of the notes in circulation of the two banks whicli have failed was speedily supplied by the mites of the Carlisle and Cumberland Joint Stock Bank, wfiich not only promptly assisted the Messrs. Connell upon the first pressure made upon them ' but also immediately issued its own notes most liberally, which were anxiously received, and depo sits with it to a tarp amount followed. • By a prospectus advertised in our columns, it will be seen that it is in contemplation to establish a new Joint Stock Bank in this city. The proposed capital f.:250,q10 in 50,00 shares of £5 each, the whole to be called up by two instalments. The basis of the constitution of the intended company is decidedly popular, and we know that it is placed in most respectable hands. It success will depend entirely on the management; if that is prudent it will command succesa, if it is not, it is unreasonable to expect it. AN Oun FANCY.—An old farmer who wished to stand well with the world after his death, lately sent the following whim sical request to Josias Homely :—Sir-1 hear thorn say as how you makes heppitaffs, 1 wish you to make wan for me, and give me a gods cariter in the Western Times when I be dead and gone. Let me zee un while Ibe alive, and I will satisfy you for your trubbell." With the utmost dispatch this request was complied with, and an epitaph which would have suited a How ard or a Bentham sent hick in the following note :—" Sir— You will see that I have fixed Wednesday next for the day of your death, and given you an excellent character—do pray be punctual to the date, as you is the only part of the thing which is likely to be true.—JostAs OMELY."—Westera Times. BLEEDlNG.—Periodical blood-letting is an error very coin mon amongst the lower order of people ; and, I conceive, ex tremely inimical to the constitution. Those persons who, from a notion of preventing diseases, suffer themselves to be bled re gularly once, twice, or oftener in a year, whether they be indis posed or not, ought to be informed that they are using means which are likely to bring upon them those very diseases which they appear -to be solicitous to avert. if the habit has been al ready established, it maybe safely and easily overcome, by sub stitutiug, at these perigtis a gentle purgative or two, and ad 'tiering - for souse -time to a ntur2 spiring diet. —Duc:o:. 25 25 25 25 TOWN-COUNCIL t'he usual monthly meeting 61 the Con:wawa% held nit Wed nesday. . - EXTRAORDINARY PitOCERDINGS. Immediately on the entrance of the reporters, Mr. Alderman Ev Ns rose and said, before you proceed to the business of the. day, I hope I way- be allowed to notice a most libellous attack which has' been made on one of the Coun cil, and put forward in the papers as a speech of one our own body, at Kirkdale. We have lately heard complaints of the inaccuracy of reports of speeches made in thii room and if in accuracy exists where the gentlemen of thepressliave every advantage, we may well suppose that speeches delivered where they have not those advantages, have not been accurately.re ported. I therefore trust, that we shall find tho,speech which is contained iu this newspaper, (holding in his hand the Liver pool Standard of Friday last,) and put forward as'that of Mr. James Heyworth, may be not only a finis-report but a perver lion. (Hear.) I cannot allow myself to think,—l can scar cely believe, that any gentleman a member of this body, would, whatever might be the excitement of the protracted festivities, (hear, hear,)—that ho would so far forget himself as to employ the terms I shall now read to the Council. We have here "a servile majority," "deep dishonour," "political cabal," and " paltry cowardice." (Hear, hear.) I believe such an accumu lation of epithets was never applied to any public body by the most violent partisan. This speech also concludes with what I must term a bravado, "that be would, when opportunity offered say the same when in the presence of the Council." 'Vhe op portunity now offers for Mr. Heyworth to do so; and I trust he will avail himself of it to state, if he wishes, any thing of what he is represented to have said. Mr. Councillor JAMES HETWOIITH, immediately rose, and advancing to the Council table, said, Mr. Mayor, will you fa vour me with that paper? (The paper was then handed to him.) I have to object altogether to the statement niade by Mr. Evaus, as being perfectly irrelevant to the duties of this Cuomo!' Couucil,—l know nJt by what law such a course of proceeding has been adopted. Am Ito consider that this is a court of judi cature, to inquire into the conduct of any of its . members ? Ant I to suppose that it has mixed with its political character some thing- of a judicial oue,—that - this enquiry and' investigation into the motives and into the conduct of any of its members is one of its duties? If so,—if my . language is to be criticised - in the manner in which it has been, I have a right to demand by what law it is so criticised in this Council. I surely ,tnight, - if chose to adopt retaliative measures, bi in;; to recollection some expressions that had been used in this Council, such as I do not approve of, and far exceeding any thing which I have stated. Have I a tight, or have I not, to state those expressions, follow ing the example which has heert , -Set-here - in this Council? I Would gladly abstain from such a course ofproceeding,•because I should have to comment on the language of gentlemen pre sent, and on the language of your Chairman, in a manner wrich would be unpleasant to me. But if lam pushed to it, I Must claim the right to express my opinion of those statements. 'But I will waive such a proceeding, I do not wish to do it until I aiu called upon. Mr. Councillor kAWDON, in an audible whisper to Alder man Robinson, " What thedevil has this to do with it ?" Mr. Councillor James .Ilev wottali.—l beg I may not be in terrtipted. Mr. Evans was not interrupted. Mr. Councillor RawooN.--" What I said was in a whisper." Mr. Alderman EYANS.—I wish to know, in the first instance, whether you have a right to enter into this matter at all? The MAYOR—(amidst )nuch confasion)-1 took the liberty of, saying something on a former occasion, when the reporters had misrepresented me. I think, if those expressions have been uttered out of doors, any member may take exception to them. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTI.I.—Your ease and mine are very different. You had a right to say what you did, be. cause you were misrepresented,. _I. do not say that I have beau misrepresented. The Maroc.—You are allowed to make what observations you like, and to state any thing respecting my conduct you choose, as vou have just now stated that you had something to say about it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES iIEYWORTH.—Have you any law or right to investigate into this matter in this council? The Mayon.—l have given my answer. (Great confusion.) Mr. Councillor Jamas HEYWORTII.—WiII you show me sour right? (Cries of " Oh, oh !" and increased confusion.) The MAYOR.—I will take the sense of the council upon it. (Loud cries of" Hear, hear, hear.") Mr. Councillor James ZYWORTEL—That will not do: (In creased confusion.) • The Mayoa.—l hope Common - sense will do. I have' given my opinion. I cannot say more. (Loud erica of " Hear.") Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTII.I require to be shown that law for this plain reason :—you must have a law that is violated before you can accuse a man. What law have I vio lated? (Much confusion.) Mr. Councillor COG LAN.—There is another law—the law of, honour—a principle which ought to influence every member. Mr. Heyworth has made a serious attack on the members of this council; and I should consider it as a point of duty and honour for him to say that the sentiments he is reported to have uttered on that occasion were the sentiments he really felt, or that the report was a misreport. We should then know what to do. '!'here is a law of honour which-I trust that gentleman will avail himself of on the present occasion. I merely suggest that as the line of policy which he ought to adopt. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—Mr. Coglan has taken the liberty of interrupting me. He has appealed to a law of honour. My dear sir —(A complete storm of cries of "Chair, chair," " Mayor, mayor,")---I beg your pardon, Mr. M a y or . Do you think I am less careful of the rule of honour than any member in this room? (Inconceivable confusion, which almost rendered the voice of the speaker inaudible.) The Mayoe.—l have delivered my opinion that you have a perfect right to enter into any explanation. The subject has a right to be brought before the council. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear, hear.") If these expressions were used, they are dis respectful to the council, and any gentleman has a right to bring them forward. (Reiterated cries of " Hear.") There fore it remains for you either to deny them, or to ackuowledge them, as you think fit. Mr. Councillor itamtuositi.-1 presume we 'have no lavi to that effect. The Mavon.—l have given my opinion, as chairman, what Mr. Ho/worth has to do. (Loud cheers.) Mr. Councillor JAMES II nywoturn.—Then I beg to state, that in what is reported in this paper, substantively anci.sub stautially there is nothing but what I have previously stated in this assetnbfy. The phraseology used fur clothing the ienti !milts maybe different, and I think is different. But with-re gard to the opinions promulgated in that speech, they vary very little, if at all, from what I have stated to ynu before. I have stated to you that I conceived that a great dishonour had been done to the council—notice the word—councillors are used in the report—l did say that in the meetings, held at the Angel Inn, of the members of this council, to predetermine on subjects to bediscttssed in the council, the deliberative character of this body had been affected; that it was quite impossible that indi vidual members of this council could come prepared to give their opinions, with the same freedom and independent exer cise of judgement, as they would have done if they bad come without that antecedent meeting. I maintain the same opinion still. Mr. Alderman Evans has g iven you certain strong words that were used in thi s s p eec h ;but you know very well how esparte statements may• alter the character of an expression. It-is for this very reason that I have advocated the use of the whole Bible in the schools. (A complete storm of ejaculations followed this declaration, with cries of " Question.") I have a perfect right to use this line of argument. (The uproar and confusion here became so great as completely to drown the voice of the speaker.) The MAYOR interposed. He said, I think it is better that Mr. Heyworth should go on his own way. - - - Mr. Councillor J A 14E3 LIEYWORTH, when order had been restored.—l would only appeal to the appointment of your servants in proof of what I said regarding the political nature of this council, and I would ask who have been elected to these offices? ~ (The Mayor, with great precipitation, " We are now on the subject of your speech.") Is it not an absolute proof from the opinions of those appointed that the appointments are of a political character? (Great uproar and contusion. amidst which the voice of the Mayor was heard; saying " Those words that are objectionable?" Mr. Heywerth continued.) I don't know that they were the exact words I said. I was only ,going to show you what was intended to be conveyed by what I utter el. lam charged with libelling this public body in a manner that was without precedent in such cases. Did not O'Connell call the entire members of the House of Commons a parcel of rascals. (Great uproar.) I state this to show that there have been such precedents. Has he not branded all your wives and daughters as prostitutes? (Loud cries of " No, no!" and tre mendous confusion.) And this man you have taken into your arms and given a dinner to. (Renewed confusion.) In the observations which I made I did not mean to reflect on any in dividual councillor. I said then what I say now, that the town had been dishonoured and insulted by the party meeting of councillors at the Angel Inn. If I had come forwards with some expressions which were not strictly such as you could ap prove of—which were not quite so gentle and so palatable as you could wish, surely, under the circumstances in which they were uttered, some little allowance might have been made for the excitement of the moment. But I say, with the exception perhaps of the language and phraseology in this paper, I have nothing to retract—the sentiments here expressed were pre cisely what I uttered. kMuch confusion.) The MAYOR.—I suppose it is the clothing that is objected to ? Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE HEYWORTH said, I am perfectly ready to believe my brother was not aware of the words that were used on the occasion. He never premeditates a speech. lithe expressions were too strong. he has now said quite enough to retract them. I cannot but consider this attack as an indi vidual persecution. (Continued confusion.) Mr. Councillor J. Hey woern.—Although this is a friendly interference on the part of a very worthy brother of mine, I disclaim being taken under his protection. So long as I re main in-this council- I must stand-on my own right of pro tecting those ' o pi n i ons - what he . and principles of which my conscien ce uu A k i i r u . d c feeling a li n G y E i i tt‘ N - id s u i a n l r i i ! approves. I h ope I shall never be guilty of any expression of ' n e' w en is t hed (C to rie l s :n o o f w " thought of the appointment of Messrs. Okill, Ellis, and Shuttle worth? They were not of the party of the council? Mr. Councillor LAWRENC E II EYWORTIL—My brother is not called on to answer your questions (Uproarious confusion.) Mr. Councillor Conr.asi rose amidst deafening cries of " spAe," " spoke." He said, I was in hopes when the gentle man was called on to state—(spoke, spokel—when he was called ou to give an explauatien of the sentiments he was re ported to have uttered, that he would have come forwards i n a very iliff er ent manner and in a very different spirit to what ho has dune. Ile has stated, and if he feels .he is -correct—if he feels he is right, it does him great eredit.for the manly avowal he has made. Ile has stated that, substantively, what he f e l t on that occasion he feels now, and he sow intends it. Now, if these • are not contradicted—if the present council sue expressions them by Mr. • • I. cumbs to the charge brought aga inst of ii ...e‘uorto, they will so, eudtv a gross appear, and justly , will place dereliction of not explained. it will place them in a bad duty; and, if . We are accused of meeting together at t h e opinion in society. . dquestions, with out regard to what might Inn, to predeci e hat to use the mieht take place afterwards; when, Mr. efl yworth, if he had a g iant's strength in . 4 an ein e m i t predetermination. 1 confess would be of no avail to alter that . css 1 '• t have not had the opportunity of witnessing the pan strength o f . „ 11 .) That gentleman said I Mr. Heyworth. (Great confusi. derided bound hand and foot to the arrangements_ on at came absolutely hound hand and foot • but we hotel. We were not measures that were t we came with the determination to support . t were brought forwards in that to the number of the meeting. As persons present, they were stated at forty. I cannot ascertain t v opi • the , opinion, whether that statement is correct or not. In my to half that. But perhaps ni the li tt l e number did not amount bird that communicated the intelligence 'of that meeting may have I for one, repudiate the have taken a more correct repo • . . , pre - arrangement was ever entered into at sentiment that any it neverprevented me from the Angel, or at any other place; sentiments whenever I entered the the free expression of nay of an important council. I feel that lam the representative . , constituents repose confidence in me, section of this town. My if came to this room and I should suffer in their estinaation On the dock fettered on an subject that was to be discussed. to consider- ad trust question. the object at the meeting wasi.,..c—w,m would- 4. perhaps this explanation is due to the pi t ii . t t t offic • likely best to discharge the duties of that impni an e--,, h0 could devote the time, and lied the talents for it, and to w et _ tain if the. gentlemen called upon would stand; • that was THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. the sole object of the Meeting. But if any gentleman had been ,unposed sabsepieutly better qualified thou tae named at the mem iug, 1 should have f,-1t myself perfo,:tly independeut to have voted for him. I did net hear a , H.y other propose.) of the eloquence of the member fur Evortou (Mr. Jas. Ilevworth,) but perhaps it was thought that some plain ; home-spoken into of business, who had some tune to spare for the improvements which were going Ou in the town, would be preferable. "rhey wanted nu poetic effusions—no Parnassian flights • they wanted men of business, and therefore overlooked that talented gentle man. (Loud cries of " Hear.'.) A charge has been made - that deep dishonour has been indicted on every councillor in the town— Mr. Councillor .TAMES HErwonni.—l deny it, sir; I have explained that point ; the word I made use of was council. Mr. Councillor COGLA N.—l ant very glad to find that I was wr:mg. He says it is no use urging any subject here with a servile majority against them. Who sends the members here but the people ? But perhaps the gentlem a n thi n k s th a t on ly 17 of his party are here who represent the distinguished classes of society. He says, that to adopt the line of policy we h ave adopted an act of paltry cowardice. Where was the cowardice in our meeting together? We met, as I stated, f ur a p ar ti cu l ar Purpose; but, even taking it at his own showing, where is the cowardice? May it nut be taken as an act of prudence in these 40 men meeting to4etlier? Might they not have felt the power —the dignity—the force—the genius or t he 10 who were elected to protect the altar and the throne ? (Great applause.) Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE H HYWOIITH here rose and said— I must call to order. I cannot see how we have the right to discuss questions here which have been urged out of doors. ' (Great confusion.) The Mayou.-1 think we may go on. Mr. Councillor Couba N.—lt should go forth to the public that these statements are nut correct in that attack on the council. r There was an attempt made here to brin , forward a charge that an attack was mule upon the Bible. We have had enlightened men, who stand as high as Mr. Hayworth, with contrary opi nions. We have had the statements of Mr. Blackburn and of Mr. Rathbone that the Bible is not sacrificed. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH here ruse to speak, when ho was interrupted by The Alarm:, who sail—l think Mr. Coglan is now answering some observations that you have made. You introduced the question of the Bible. ,(Great confusion and uproar.) I think , he has a perfect right to reply to those observations. Air. Councillor LAWRENCE HEY WORTH.—Then I will here after reply to every speech that is uttered out of doors. (Up roarious confusion.) The MAYOR.—WiII you allow the discussion to proceed? (with great vehemence.) Your brother introduced the subject which Mr. Coglan was replying to. 1 ant only very sorry that it was ever introduced by your brother. Mr. CoGLAN.—I shall proceed (amidst great confusion.) The M A yoa.—Certainly. Mr. Coc LAN.—If Mr. Hey worth's brother had said that he was sot ry for what he had said, the matter would have ended. But he has said that it is substantively the same as he spoke. I feel it my duty to state distinctly that the charge here made, that the Bible is sacrificed, is not true. I will not use a stronger phrase. But it is essentially necessary that it should go abroad that the plan of education adopted is the same as in any school in this coun try; that the Bible is communicated whole and entire to the protestant children. Therefore those who say that' the Bible is sacrificed have st a ted w h a t i s no t t rue; an d I hope that Mr. Hayworth will feel himself Hund to come forwards and say, if he has visited those schools, that the Bible is there taught whole, e , aire, and !umnutilated, and that no sacrifice has been made for party purposes. I shall not trespass longer on your time; but think it is of the first importance to the dignity of the Com mon Council that no individual should take an advantage of an opportunity out of doors to state such a calumny—such a gross calumny against them, which, if true, would sink them in the public estimation. The whole statement is untrue and un justifiable. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH again rose, but was as sailed with a complete storm of cries of "Spoke, spoke." When they had a little abated, he said—No, no, that will not do. I submit to you I have the right now to stand here in my defeuce. The Mayne.—l am very sorry really that this discussion has taken place. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEY WORTIL—SO was I. (A great uproar.) The MAYOR.—I hope for your protection (to the council). It has generally been considered that a gentleman could only speak once, except in explanation. Mr. Councillor JtMas HEYWORTH.—Mr. Mayor, you will consider this a widely different case from the ordinary rule you have laid down. Here ant I attacked first by one councillor, and then by another, and charged in a manner which I think shows neither much temp, r, much good feeling, nor much good sense in those who have brought it ; and, surely, I may be al lowed to stand up in defence of my own opinions. The coun cillor for St. Anne's ward, (Mr. Coglan) has stated that gentle men did not come bound by any particular line of conduct pre viously entered into at the Angel Inn, to vote in any certain direction. I can only infer that they came so predetermined on the authority of an individual present at the meeting • and beg it to be understood that it wa s n e ither of my brothers Who made the communication to me. I was informed that every member of the Dock committee, appointed by this council, was appointed pre-determinately at the Angel Inn; and I think I have a strong corroboration of that circumstance from seeing a card in the hands - of a member, on which were the names of every one of the members chosen. There was some resolution that was previously determined upon it was evident, because, al though all those members on the card were liberal members, when other liberal members were proposed in the council as ' amendments on those pre-determined names, they rose in quick succession and declined the honour; evidently showing that there was a predetermination entered into at the Angel Inn. This is a fair exposition of my meaning, when I said, " men came bound hand and toot;" and as to the numbers spoken of so assembled at the Angel Inn, if that meeting was an unjusti fiable one, I do not see that it is a matter of much consequence whether the number be frittered down to 20; but I had it on authority that the number was about 40; and the names of those fixed upon for the guidance of the dock estate were chosen at that meeting. I ask you—l 'ask the whole town— whether it is necessary that there should have been this previous meeting. I grant that soiree discussion may be had at these meetings, but it is not fair that those of my political opinions should not attend them. They had as much right to be there as any members of the council. There is one thing which is not announced at all—the - manner in which that meeting was convened. Am I right, or am I wrong in stating that that meeting was convened by the Secretary of the Reform Associ tion ? (Loud cries of " No, no.") Then if lam wrong, I ant wrong informed by a gentleman who was present at the meet ing. (Loud cries of " Name, name.") No; I will not name : I should betray a confidence which I am not called on to do. If I have brought myself into an unpleasant situation I will not bring him into one. Ishould not have alluded to it if I had not been charged with something very gross and offensive. Are your circulars convening those meetings endorsed, on the back " private," I ask ? If they are, does that correspond with the Publicity we wish to give to our proceedings by having re porters at this table? (Great confusion and uproar.) The MAYOR.-1 wish to make one observation ;it is, I wish to draw these observations to a close. I look on it, that in this circumstance of the Angel Inn, and this sort of work, we are going from the charge of those words that were so offensive to the council. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEY WOUTH.—" Political" was one of those words— The MAYOR, (interrupting) and it is on that point that the council have demanded an explanation. Mr. Councillor JAMES H sv onnt.—lt was in the course of explanation when I was interrupted. Mr. Coglan has stated, that that class of society with which he was connected are looked upon by me by an aristocracy of feeling. I feel that the whole family of man are one flesh and blood ; and I say, I have as tender a sympathy fur the meanest individual of the town, as any 1113.11 can have that brawls for "liberty." I will not have inv conduct contrasted as though I felt no sympathy for the poor. I feel for the poor as being the stable foundation of the great prosperity of this country, but at the same time that I do say this, I say that there are, by God's ordination, differe n t rank's of men to maintain the whole fabric of society, which no law can destroy. (Here the uproar was renewed, amidst loud cries of •‘ question.") The MAYOR.—Come to the point. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEyWORTH.—I will come to the point. I haw: told you before, I was sorry this question should have been mooted. I would not express-1 never intended to express any unkind feeling to the members of this council. To sub stantiate what I said further; I feel that the whole onus lies on my own shoulders. The word " cabal," if I used it, could only have the meaning of a large number of gentlemen performing out of doors duties which ought to be performed within these walls. It is a cabal in another sense. Notes were distributed from the table by Mr. Rathbone, by one of your own servants. I ask if these letters were distributed, and by whose orders ? I con tend that no public servant (1 allude to Mr. Crooke) ought to deliver partially, any letters to this council without delivering to all. (Great confusion.) The MAYOR (vehemently).—This is not the matter in ques tion. The words, the words; to the point. It is to the point of those offensive words. Mr. Councillor JAMES HayWORTIL—I have explained them. Thc MAYOR.—If you have explained them satisfactorily we will go on. (Great c onfusion.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEY won Tis.—l shall leave the sub ject, as I see such a torrent against me. I couid have said much more, an d s omething relating to the chair itself. (M r . Hevworth then sat down, amidst indiscribable confusion.) 'l'he avog.—l shall be most happy to hear it. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTIL—No; I forbear. (Loud indistinguishable cries.) Th e si sowit .—l should wish to know if the council have thought my proceedings on this occasion proper. (Hear, bear.) I have endeavoured strictly to call Mr. Heyworth's attention to the offensive words used, not as to any political meetings, for I belieVe, that the gentlemen opposed to us . in politics, had, a meeting also. At the last meeting a gentleman whom I don't see here, drew out a resolution from his pocket, which I cer tainly did not see hive write here. (Loud cries of " hear.") - Mr. Councillor LAWRISNCE Heywoims rose and was assailed with a complete storm of cries of "spoke, "spoke." The MA YOR.-1 hope in the particular situation in which Mr. Heyworth stands that he will be allowed to speak. Mr. LAWRENCE HEY WORTH,—order having been somewhat restored, then said, I must say 1 utterly condemn the conduct of the member for St. Ann's Ward, (Mr. Coglan). Mr. Evans brought forward some offensive words. My brother explained those words. Mr. Coglan not satisfied with that must proceed to the matter and not the words. This must lead on to an in terminable discussion if proceeded with. lam persuaded if we take notice of every thing that transpires relating to this Coun cil we shsl never have done. If he stated what ties not cor rect, it was very proper to ask for an explanation and to retract what was wrong. but Mr. Coglau should go to the place where they were uttered and there discuss the question. To bring the question here will leadou to interminable discussions in matters with which we have nothing to du. There is one snore observe tiou I wish to snake; it is this, my brother says he has private information of the meetings at the Angel. I 'don't know whe ther my brother has acquitted me of giving it. (" Yes," " yes.") I say that I have never communicated any thing to him, what ever I may do. Mr_ Councillor RATIiiiONE.—I wish to say one word. The 111 r. M the good f ee li ng o f t h e Councillorayoa— nnN only k word. think .—I or Council is shown in bringing forward the report before the Council to allow of the retraction of such exceedingly offensive expressions. And . I suppose if a gentleman would say that under the excitement of festivities, he would be glad of explain ing it away. Now I thick it is very desirable, therefore, that that opportunity should be affordedto that gentleman to state that he did not intentionally mean what appeared in the press. I hope that explanation will not be abandoned when the proceedings assume so black a character as that did. Mr. Heyworth did Tbhyeanuaysottno officer make a statement relative to our meeting at the Angel Inn, that we came from there "bound hand and foot." I distinctly deny that being the case. We did go there and did think on a list, and did agree, certainly, an ong ourselves, and that if we saw .esdlightest degree to that nothing better transpire for the community we did agree to sup being i s i n o i r l t n i t t h o a n t e list, hy w I tt i hit i , c leal l; .tsw a t,e, n ,e.e y ater m essta,eb a rr n )e.u w ,:sif o cio u tt l i d i:,t ! ti s elefornoto.,eiittion, I Co A di s s s t n in e c ia t n d , e n e r y Association. • Allow me about the letters. I did address a let i.tplac ter to the Reform Members of the Council. I did as k a n o f f i cer of this Council to deliver: will say i ittott is v ihmembersein s (t he o Coun c rung to il er as they carne in. 1 asked it as a matter of c o ur t esy and shall do so again. If any o e of the Council—to give them letters to deliver, which de t not give them any extra t rou bl e , I shalt not do so aga i n . I not be lectured by any member of this Council, and if repeated i shall care very little abut it. As t o the Bible, (loud cries of "No," "no,") I merely state that the Bible is not excluded front the schools either north or south, but is better done than ever since the schools came into my management. (Great uproar and confusion.) I beg the protection of the Chair. I say that we haVe introduced one selection into the schools, the Church of England has introduced six. That is all I say. Mr. Alderman Evans. As having introduced the subject, I sin entitled to reply. I shall go into no extraneous matter, ex cepting into that regarding the docks. We did meet to elect thirteen men that we could depend upon to maintain inviolable the interests of this corporation on that committee. It was ne cessary we should not name any other, in order not to destroy the hold of the Corporation on the docks. I believe we could not have named any one of our opponents that was not com mitted in word and act, to the excluding the corporation from the docks. (Hear.) That is all I have to say to that. With re gard to speeches out of doors, I certainly should not have no deed them, except they proceeded from the members of our own body. There is the gravamen of the business ; and I could not overlook. this ; / consider this a matter / cannot paSs over. I shall give the gentleman whatever benefit he pleases from the supposition that he has explained away those words: but to my understanding, he has nut. (Cries of "hear," "not a word.") And I will add, Sir, I will not presume to answer for the coun cil, it is not for an humble man like me, to cast a shield over them and protect them ; but as 'I ion included individually, as au individual I fling back upon the utterer of these injurious and unwarrantable terms—l fling them buck upon hint with all the scorn and contempt that is due to falsehood. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor Jasi Es Her woirre immediately rose to re , ply, but was assailed with almost deafening reiterations of spoke," "spoke," "spoke." Mr. Heyworth endeavoured for some time to speak, but was unable to make his voice midi over a tumult which exceeded anything we ever heard in e'any organized meeting. Finding the attempt useless, he at ' length sat down, saying, the conduct of the council was most complimentary to them. Mr. Councillor BOLTON immediately rose, and sacl, " As there is no questi on b e f ore the co u n c il, propose that se pro ceed to business". A dead silence of five or six minutes ensued, during which time, the Mayor held a consultation with Mr. Currie, Mr. nata -1 bone the Town-clerk, and others. After which, The MA TOR said, I feel very great difficulty in the situation in which lam placed. lam sure I wish to discharge the duty imposed upon sue, as well . as'l can. The latter part of this • question, has certainly assumed a character it had not before, and Mr. Alderuaau Evans made use of a word—l think " false hood" was stated. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—" Yes." The MAYOR.—And upon that one point, I think Mr. Evans will have no objection to explain—that one point to Mr. Hey worth. A silence of some moments occurred, during which time, Mr. Alderman Evans sat perfectly still. Mr. Councillor JA MES EYWOR TH.—Why should I explain it. I have explained all I mean to explain. The MA l'oll.-1 hope you will not take offence. Mr. Councillor JAMES Herwoiern.—l have discharged my duty. The MAYOR.--I hope you will not be offended at me in having consulted a friend or two in order to allow you to depart from the general rules of the council. If you don't wi s h t o sa y anythingfurther, we can proceed. Mr. Councillor JAMES Heywourit.—lf the council are not convinced by what I have said, that anything I have mis stated in my observations has been a mistake and not a false hood, no possible explanation I could make would be of any avail. I would offer no disrespect to any man. I feel that there is a proper degree of courtesy due to every individual; and I feel that a transgression of that rule has been most flagrantly committed in the present instance, and an outrage made on ad decency of language. I did not speak a falsehood; I spoke the truth. (Mr. Heyworth again sat down amidst much confusion.) Mr. Councillor BATHBONE.—We mast have a pledge that this quarrel does not go out of this room. It must be settled here. I beg to move that the Mayor be requested to require that engagement from the parties before they leave the room. Mr. Councillor JAM ES HEYWORTH.-1 have no pledge,—" no oath recorded in heaven", but I have some regard for morality, for religion, and also of the necessity and propriety of defending myself. I have opinions which would prevent me from the line of conduct which the proposition of Mr. Rathbone has in view. I feel that I have a courage to do everything that is right, and I possess feelings which I hope would prevent me from doing any thing that was wrong. (Much confusion.) Mr. Councillor Motieciroer, (after a pause,) to settle this matter I have a resolution to propose. lam not one that is sa tisfied with the explanation that has been given. i beg to move this resolution "that the charges brought by Mr. Heyworth against the Members of the Common Council of being a servile majority, of sacrificing the Bible in the public schools, and of coining to the Council pre-decided, are untrue." I beg to move that Sir. Mr. Councillor BRIG HT.—I beg to second that motion.— Whatever distinctions may be supposed to exist out of doors, I know none in this room. (Hear.) As the representative of a Ward of independent burgesses, 1 feel that they are attacked through this charge which has been brought against the Mem bers of the Council. I stand here as an independent man. As I before observed distinctions may be supposed to exist out of doors, but in this room I know none, and therefore I feel as in dependent as the best or the proudest of you all. (Hear, hear.) Nor will I consent that the Ward I represent shall be insulted by me. I have in all cases been governed by my conscience.— If my judgment has erred my heart is right. (Hear, hear.) In every vote I have given, I have given it conscientiously, and as long as I stand here I trust I shall do my duty. (hear, hear.) Mr. Councillor JOHN SMITH.—I consider this subject ought to drop. I beg to move that we proceed to the business of the day. Mr. Councillor J. N. Woon.—l beg to second that. Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE HEYWORTH.—There has been an amendment proposed on a motion and I wish to state my views. I am afraid if we take that first reso'ution and adopt it in this Council we shall act a very tyrannical part. Men have various opinions and various shades of opinions, and if those opinions are not to be discussed out of this room, but to be deterred by such a vote as that, away goes "liberality" altogether. No more liberty exists if men are to be brought before this tribunal and there condemned as that resolution seems to imply. Then instead of having a proper feeling towards each other we raise ourselves to tyrants, who having got the power are determined to exercise it with the most flagrant injustice. I shall as a pub lic man lament it to the last day of my life if such a vile resolu tion is passed. (Here the uproar was again renewed with deafening cries of " Order,") It is "vile," because it infringes on the choicest blessing we have—our liberty, and every thing which trenches on our liberty is vile. Whatever it may be, my brother has withdrawn the odious nature of the words. (Great confusion, and cries of " No," " no tie has not.") Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—I beg to state, that "I have explained sufficiently to every candid mind. The words are before the public, and with my explanation of them before you. If lam wrong let me be punished by the judgment of the public; they are the legitimate party to judge. (Cries of " No, no.") I have said all I wish to say, and I don't care a rush, whether the resolution is passed or not. Mr. Councillor Motteceom—Are not we the representatives of the public ? (Hear.) The MAYOR.—Whatever resolution you please to move I ant bound to put it from -the chair. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—Certainly. You pay me a great compliment. The whole of the prooceedings of this day have been complimentary to use. Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE HEY WORTII.—I trust for the sake of decency, and justice, that the resolution will not be passed. I advocate the amendment. The Mayon (to Mr. James Heyworth).—l understand you to say the whole proceedings have been complimentary : If you think I ought not to put this resolution in the situation in which I am, I wish you to state it. I wish you to state distinctly, whether I ought to put this resolution ? (With great warmth.) Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.-1 have no power over you. Neither the rules of courtesy nor the rules of this council can require such an observation from you to me. lam much obliged to you for it. Ido not charge any member with false hood; any member may be mistaken in his views, and when you charged the universities with being "shut out from the light of reason"—(An immediate, and indiscribable uproar drowned the conclusion of the sentence, in which the voice of Mr. Alderman Barclay was heard predominant, reiterating, " Shame, shame.") In the midst of this glorious row, The MAYOR started up with great heat, saying, " that has nothing to do with it—that is another matter, sir. I thought by the observation that he has made, that he would insinuate that I had no right to put the resolution. Mr. Councillor JAMES HEYWORTH.—Certainly not. The MAYOR.-1 beg your pardon, Iso understood. A pause here ensued, and there was a loud buzzing noise, as if every member was talking. At length Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN rose, and order having been somewhat restored, said, Mr. Heyworth has stated, that sub stantially what the report stated as his sentinteuts, are his ; though he does not take on himself to speak to the words. There may be a difference in the words, but he does adhere to the substance, and he steadfastly adhers to thes!sentiments which are there expressedas sentiments which he has expressed in this room. I would like to ask the councillor for Everson Ward, (Mr. Jas. Heyworth) what explanation he can give of the terms "servile majority," as applied to this body, to prevent their beinit per sonally offensive to the individual members of this council ? I wish to put it to his reflection, to his calm judgmeut, if I had used the expression at a ward meeting, that he came here "bound hand and foot," whether he would not think such an observation as adddressed to himself an offensive expression, and such as ought to be withdrawn ? • Mr. Councillor JahrEs Heywoani.—Certainly not. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURNE.—Th en he would not think it disrespectful There was a short pause, and Mr. Heyworth made no reply. Several of the members immediately exclaimed, " then there is an end of the matter." Mr.. Councillor JAMES HEY WOlllll--Certaillly not ; I don't know who the members were who met at the Angel Inn. Mr. Councillor BL ACK BURN.—Then I ask how any man can attach an expression to a body which does not attach to an individual ? Men don't act in bodies in that way, so as to throw off all responsibility at all. Every man is responsible fur his own acts. You cast a reflection on a l art ze portion of the body constituting this council. You say as much as that they are led by the nose by some member who takes a lead amongst them. Is that a reflection Mr. Iley worth would think justified. If I made use of such an expression in the warmth of argu ment! I should feel bound to give au explanation. It is offen sive in its very nature. It says that one or two of those in dividuals are p ersons who do not think for themselves ; and if anything is offensive that is off e nsive. I thought I would just Put one point, whether he would strictly adhere to that. For my own part, I shall vote for the previous question. I shall not vote for the recording on our minutes of a direct censure of those sentiments; •not because I approve of them — not be cause Ido not think them censurable. Strong language ought to be used with regard to them, and that member would do well to withdraw them, and put an end to the question by making an explanation which ought to he made; but I shall vote to proceed to business, because I think it is making the subject of too much importance. I think it better to let the matter rest here. I merely put it to bins again, as a matter for his con sideration, whether applying the term " a servile majority," is not very offensive to every member here? Mr. Councillor It A TIMONE rose amidst loud cries of "Spoke, spoke." I only wanted to speak in explanation o f one remar k. The Mayon.—lle has not spoken on this business. Mr. Councillor HoPhi.-1 should be glad if the mover of the motion would withdraw it. (Loud cries of No, no.") It is attaching too much importance to the subject. Mr. Councillor EsTlicoNE.—Whv, • convivial meeting, a nd I would vote for the mo tion if it is put. If it lied been morel} remarks had been made in braggadocio that lam prepared, i to repeat this in th e counc il," it would be . different. But, a s it s held forth that h e i s prepared to beard us our own council at sucts a meeting, these expressions should Le noticed. (Hear, her•.r, and great confusion.) Mr, Councillor CurratE rose, and when order had been re stored, said—l should feel a reluaaace to pass awe of censure on a newspaper report, and also on another ground ; because 1 am willing to make great allowances for those persons—l speak it without - disrespect—for those persons who unfortunately by DE( 9. 1 ti:;6. nature are guilty of a volut,ilitv of 'expression—who are gal,' of words they would not in cooler moments make.use 1 (.. , 1 1 .7. sitter the place and the oc c asion—that he vias'at a meeting or the ward which he represents; and I considpfthii audieuee en tertaining his views diametrically 'opposed to thu,e of the majority of this body, and I atu willing to make allowance for expressions which the councillor himself says he does not pre cisety recollect. He entertains opiutions different• to the jonity of this couucil. We know that be does not pledge himhimjei f to the expressions. When he save that, I atn willing for one to let the thing pass by; but I do think the idea of 'recording a vote on this question is giving it an importance which it does not deserve, considering the quarter from which it cOines. Mr. Councillor Mutt; ceoFT.—I certainly very reluctantly withdraw this ; because I conceive it is not an insult'ottlY to ti!, but it is an i nsu l t to our const i tuents. I c once ive„sir, that i t has been stated th a t thi s was a conv i v i a l meeting; but wh en culprit is br o u g h t b e f ore a mag i strate f o r h av i ng go t too woe dr:,.lk—(loud cri es o f" N o, no, " w hi ch d rowne d t h e conclusion of the sentenc e .) P er h aps i t wou l d b e making M r. H e yworth too much to record such a r eso l u ti on on our m i nutes , and in tha t reseect I will withd raw it. 'I he MAyou.—l am v ery glad. I hope this discussion w ill prevent anything of th e kind going on again, and all gentlemen will be guarded in e xp ress i ons, w h ic h cannot b e j ust ifi e d, 012 this council. The usual routine of business was then commenced, and the deputy town-clerk read over the minutes of the last ineeljuro FINANCE 'COMMITTEE PROCEEDINGS. At a meeting of the committee on the 11th of November W I , Wallace Currie, Esq., w as e l ec t e d c h a i rman i n th e room 0 ' Alexander. Leathoin, who vacated his seat on his election as chairman of the dock committee. TheTowN-cLeite read a lengthy document, as part of th°, proceedings of the finance c omm i ttee, w hi c h h e h a d f o rwarded to that committee. The substance of it was, that he had consi dered it his duty to as c e r t a i n sshether the corporation was liab le to contribute to the parish under the returns act. The corpora fund was no longer disposable of at the will of the council. Th° corporation, like individuals, was rateable with respect to ludi; vidual occupation ; but he contended that the corporation stood in the light of a public trust, amid ought, on the same grounds as other trusts, to be exempted from the payment of parish rates. He instanced the cases of the River Weaver trust and the dock trust. The 92d section of the munioipal act laid down the pur poses to which the borough fund should be applied—to the oar. meat of the various officers of th e cor p ora ti on , ex penses of prosecutions of offenders, maintaining the gaol, the constahu: lacy, and other expen s e s , which should be necessarily incurred in carrying into effect the provisions of the act. The surplus to be applied to the improvement of the borough, and in case of a deficiency that deficiency to be made good by a borough rate. The municipal act by the 92d section threw on to the borough', fund charges borne by the county, for which the county we , accounted in the parish rate; and by the 117th section of the municipal act the whole residue .of the county charges falling ou the parish were to be paid by th - e corporation out of the borough fund. The county rate from which the palish was exonerated unwonted to £11,553 17s. sd. per annum on an average of the last seven years. The parish rate reduced by this exoneration charged the corporation £1,126. 165.; consequently, if the cor poration be not liable to the rate, the parish would still gain £7,457. Is. 3.1. at the expense of the borough fund, and the whole parish must immediately feel this relief. Several .coun sels' opinions had been taken on the subject, and the prepon derance in number and auth or ity w as i n f avour o f t h e corpora tion not being rateable,_ a n d the opinion wa s t o appea l ag ainst the rate. He had taken the necess a ry s t e p s f or f orwar di n g that appeal, and, if not opp ose d, an am i ca bl e arrangement wou ld be come to at the borou g h- sess i ons f or t a ki ng a pro f orma d ec i s ion, and which might be done at au expense of £l5O. It was necea" sary that the qnestion should be legally settled. The proceedings of this committee were then confirmed. LEASES' COMMITTEE. A number of applications for leases were read. Proceedings confirmed. WATCH COMMITTEE. At a meeting of the Watch Committee on the 4th of Nov. , Mr. Jushua Walmsley was elected Chairman of the Committee for the ensuing year. A lengthy — arcument was read recommending that there should be some directing control over the collectors of the rates, as too much was left to their discretion, and recumming the ar pointment mein of two additional collectors. Resolved that the salary of the collectors be £lBO per annum with a bonus at the end of the year, to be given according to merit, but no salary to exceed £2lO per annum. Resolved that 'Thomas Armstrong and William Santiv, jun., from their uniform good conduct in the treasurer's office, be appointed as the new collectors ; and that an advertisement be inserted in the papers for the appointment of two clerks to fill the vacancy caused by their appointment. At a meeting of the Sub-Committee of the Watch Committee held the 12th November, 1836, present Joshua Wainasley, E5(l , Chairman, &c. &c. &c.,. a leading article in the Liverpool Mail, Nov. 12, impeaching the conduct and character of individuals of the police force, having been read, it was resolved unani mously, that the Chairman do write to the Editor of the Mail, requesting his attendance before the Committee on Tuesday afternoon next, to substantiate the charges, and produce the proofs mentioned in the leading article oftis paper of that date. In compliance with this resolution, the chairman sent the fol lowing letter : "TO THE EDITOR 01 , THE LIVERPOOL MAIL. " Liverpool, 12th Nov., 1836: " Sus,—ln the Liverpool Mail, of this morning, I percettre the following statement in the leading article We assert, with out any fear of contradiction sustained by facts, that there has been no diminution of crime since the introduction of the new police. On the contrary, we believe that so far as the police themselves are concerned, there has been an increase of crime, an increase of cruelty, an increase.pf false swearing, an increase of lying, an increase of suborned testimony, an increase of venal and profligate inrormations, an increase of extortion, bri bery, and corruption, an increase of intimidation and commu table license, and an increase of remorseless, invidious, and unpardonable oppression. We believe all this, and are able to prove it, if required.' As Chairman of the Watch Committee, I beg to inform you, that a Sub-committee wilt sit at: the race in Fenwick-street, on Tuesday next, the 15th instant, at three o'clock. And, as the statement in the Mail is-calculated:mate rially to affect the character and efficiency of .individuals of the police force, the committee, anxious to investigate such charges, request the favour of your attendance with proofs.—l um, Sir,. yours respectfully, JOSHUA WALMSLEY, " At a meeting of the Watch Committee, held this 19th Nov.,. 1836, present Joshua Walmsley, Esq., Chairman, &c. &c. &c. Resolved unanimously, That the Editor of the Liverpool Mail, not having complied with the respectful request of the Sub committee, in reference to the assertion in his Journal of &tor , day last, impeaching the character and conduct of individuals of the police force, this Committee, iu the absence of proofs, which he declared himself ready to produce, feel themselves bound in duty to declare, that the allegations made , by him ate unfounded. And it was further r e so l ve d, th a t, i n justice to the character of the police force, the resolution of the Sub-commit tee and the letter of the chairman, together with the foregoing resolution, be published once in each of the Liverpool palters. " By order, C APES A SHLIN , Secretary. " Proceedings confirmed. IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. An application for land from the Union Bank declined. ex cept ou terms of a negotiation for some other laud. If this is declined, the purchase recently made by the Union Bank will be included 111 the intended improvement bill.—Proceediugs confirmed. TOWN DUES COMMITTEE. The amount of the dues of Mr. Bibby and others were order ed to be made out. Mr. Alderman LEATHOM said it might be necessary to ex plain why they had taken proceedings against one of their own. body. Mr. Bibby claimed exemption from town•dues, on the . ground of having taken out his freedom. The committee thought. he had no grounds on which to claim to be exempted, and had ordered an action to be commenced against him, and others who also claimed exemption.—Procoedings confirmed. MARKET COMMITTEE. A. notice had been received from the Liverpool and Manches- Fish Company, that they were about 416 be dissolved, and that stalls for them iu the Fish-market would not be required.— Proceedings confirmed. TOWN-HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. Resolved, that the keeper of the Sessions-house be required not to furnish any more stationary for the assize courts without further orders from the committee.—Proceedings confirmed. EDUCATION COMMITTEE. Resolved, than Mr. Raithbone be elected chairman for the ensuing year.—Proceedings confirmed. Mr. Councillor RATIIBoNE said he wished to make one re mark about the schools. He did not wish to carry on into the enemies camp, but there had been a placard written by the Rev. Hugh M'Neile, put into the schools. It was a veil , silly affair, very cleverly done, be must admit. He only wished it. to go forward to the public, that the people may know what they are to expect from the Rev. Rector Campbell's mode of tuition of the children. Every child had that ridiculous thing put into its hand. 'He wished to know whether that was the way to encourage christian feeling ? DOCK COMMITTEE. Resolved, that the attention of the councillors be drawn to the insufficient state of the vav-ement in Bath-street.—Proceedings confirmed. A letter was addressed to the council, signed Charles Pain. The letter complained that th e wr it er h a d not bee n . fairly dealt with by the council, in a contract for some hats. A long explanation was entered into by Mr. Walmsiey, to the effect, that a smaller order was given him merely as a trial of his hats, as they were not considered as good as other samples. The following aldermen were then chosen for some of the wards: Scotland ward, Alderman Blain; St. Paul's ward, Ald. Stuart; Exchange ward, Alderman Brown ; Castle-street ward, Alderman Robinson ; St. Peter's ward, Alderman Lea thern ; Pitt-s4eet ward, Alderman Booth; Great George's street ward, Alderman Freme ; Lime-street ward, Alder man Heyworth; West Derby ward, Alderman Moon : North Tox teth ward, Alderman JoneS ; South Toxteth ward, Alderman Smith. The remainder to be chosen at the next meeting. ASSESSMENT OF THE WATCII RATE. The TowN-cis.itic said, the Council was empowered to levy the old rate for the nightly watch. The Watch Committee had ascertained the average annual rate_for the . last seve n years to be £8,527 12s. 141, and this was the amount tor which they were entitled to levy. This was the amount levied, but it was not competent to pay the day ants night police by one-half. The nearest rate that could be levied . to the sum ab ove state d , was two pence and six-seventeenths of a penny in the pound, which ga v e £8,515 IBs. ld., with which they must be content. Tile' next proceeding would be for the Mayor to issue his warrant to the High Constable for the levy. MR. A THRONE said, it might be necessary to state, that this. was not a borough rate, nor was it any increase whatever. The TOWN-CLERK explained that it was not in their power to levy for more than the old rate, and that this levy being oYer t he whole borough, new and old, there would be a great saving to the community. Mr.W , LMS LEY g ave a recap i tu l at i on of the statements ma d e by the I . own-clerk with regar d to the rates payable by t h e borough . tund, and th ose of which the parish was exempted by. the municipal bill, and c onc l u d e d b y moving the adoption of certain resolutions on this subject read by the Town-clerk , which were seconded by Alderman Freate. Mr. lioni NsoN saidBORO , that UGH Mr. RATE Wa.linsley had said if. there should ever be a deficiency there would be a borough rate. — There was a very general impression out of doors that there was to be a borough rate levied. He wished to be informed ou the subject. The TOWN -CLERK said, as far as he could understand he thought there would he no borough rate. Ml. Councillor CurtniE said, the Town-clerk in answer to a n enquiry o f M r. Robinson stated, that his own opinion was, that a there would b e no necess i ty for borough rate. " I take the op portunity of saving, that from my official capacity, I know that the question of a borough rate never was talked of or thought of." (Hear.) , THE LIVERPOOL NEW GAS AND COKE COMPAN Y , TowN•cLEaK read a memorial, signed Benjamin Tho was, from the Liverpool new gas and coke company. The memorial stated, that that company had ascertained that the Council had entered into a contract with the old gat company for lighting Evertou and West Derby. The act of parliament on which the new gas company was formed. gave that compa n y the exclusive ri,ght of entering those townships. It also stated, 01 liq Vr,