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2 • TOWN COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. . s #• On We.leestlA- las* t w he Cia itl l met accordiug to adjOittf . t`P i • -- -mein; fel- nil' porpusellif discussing a motion brobight forward by Mr. Councillor Birch, the effect of which was to dispose of e C.alifratimi Schools, they heviug become mere places of tarialiktlecatihe, which was what they had previously endea • +erred toavoitl. The Irish system of eiltic,ttion.put-sued in them i 'levier , had the effect oral-lying out Your -fifths of the Protestant i s.: . children who hart heretofore.. them, and convertin g them into `shoo;., for the educatiou of the children of Roman Ca tholics—thus in tking a large portion of toe tultabitants of the town contribute towards that from which they erived no beneti+, ai ull which as the prileips m l complaint aga tho old syste m . lii i k Cotatitleretle exeite t nt was oi-casi4tied its t e town with re gard to Ae. Get otilor Birch's motion ; and Mr. qouticillor. • frathbo • wrote a tSreular letter to the.meinbers of the Culled!, • calliAg tunisly ere thee relttien member's tt' it to resist the motin, no t ~ v i Ad this ret:k.ru to' "poaular Humour," a to l deciujill , that, hey iii j e od Fr, "ilie4iThonentr (th e T or i es) had only to s a go the Atcee. and threain to beat the reformers ,0 - at,the rteThetiatt, - triostt euitering toe discussion at once a pur 1 rty aelpolitical one, rind' by thi s ruse, and appeal to. . tliApoii cal fedi Ags of the Ina iurity of the Coutici!, endeavouring .+'Preatil a Lhat systein.which it as more than doubtful the coin ig in set% iand the awakened Meßugs of the p:!',,lic against the if s id haves induced them to reject. 'eider these eir c„. :it needed no phet to predict the issue. Ou the appe r ince of OW litulillr; the lie'V. Hugh APNeile felt hint self ceded nip ilk reply to s ome o f the stateliteurg_as regarded the system pt gpi ; anti he arldressed a letterTeuffnug powerful ekiiit hi t 11 , .1111k swgred arguu s ts, chtitliug himself to the feasibisity or 0,11 wig! of the Irish system. A coasiderable de gree-of eleiteineAt consequently pervaded- the public mind. e Tie Cou, ro ut S excessivilyeewded, there being 56 mem tierspresent out of th e 64 . v • 'e •i ' us t'' ' l'' commencement et the adjourned discussion, .1 . .1 yes - sat, hal re d ipowd sever4oupottnicatious, 4 f e Town C k said ha ietter be d' eft of before the ssionl,l2winenced. • The M Irit teen r 411 a contipunication frets a itemtfe t tman of the ham.. • Coates, irpeetinLthe gensumption of gases and oth..?i• v. 4 4 as an mule to pie ehtnicul inautifactories. -r. , ,tn, nicati was referred to the Improvement Com mittee. The 111.1/21c a' •eived another coniinuoicataiii front a gen tle+ (if MEI ne ooT+lnstall, itt,Sir Thomas'lrßuildings, on a t e joe! of .:ning 'the street,. This was also referred to 4 4 , 0 t ciao vement I',ll, l !nitte e . • comental e -ati on froaia gentleman, named Henderson, with resspent to a ).ot of grond firm lervatory, was referred to the, 'itiat44 4 'oturnittee. T Tlie•OVV. CLfittK said t a ccor di ng to notice A they might e not, t o appo i nt •i o to act as High Colorable, for pluases o f h e W Ra at the Alagistra*'s clerks l ir ,1,1 tiAlln . eppei t at vo,rposel or the County R a t e , an d as the' ce o of any emoloeirse thillowoultd perhaps , • to , put% Tow elk treing aplibiEted. . . 0 ,er w• eto Mb and le iippoitainetit with conse que t en• 44 , .. rte's r tne government of the criminal prisoners in the g. Gaol, anti .which had been submitted to . Lord J. Rus sell,. and with very slight alterations approved of, were referred to,the gaol:committee. a uni - roits of INK DOCK IiSTO.TE., The TOWN-4;1.8RK said that, pursuant to notice, the town council had now to proceed to the appointment of four auditor, . tothe dock estate. By the dock act the council had to appoint four auditors to act vt ith eight other auditors appointed by the rate payers. The gentlemen appointed ought nut to be members of the cetineil. There was no act against it ; hut it would not he proper, as 0 matter of principle, that the trustees of the docks sisould audit their two accounts. Air. Councillor J. N. Woon begged to propose the names of Lour gentlemen every way qualified for the office, viz., Mr. Ro bert., Begot, Mr. Hewson Dutchman, Mr. Henry Sandbach, and Mr. T. Brockleh tuk. These names were then put seriatim. -On Mr. Henry Sand birch being proposed, - Mr. Alderman EyKc EVANS, seconded by Mr. Councillor Maxwell, begged to Move, as an amendment, Mr. Thos. Holt, of C00114.'11. Mr. Couticillor BOLTON said it was a very Unimportant office. All they had to do was to see that they had vouchers for every payment. ' Mr. Alderman Eva Ni persisted in his motion. Mr. Holt was an excellent accountant, and it was desirable to have him in reserve. Mr. Councillor J-N..Woon then withdrew Mr. Henry Sand bach's name, and Mr. Holt was appointed. bearings, he hoped it would not be ill received if he modified his forme, resolution. He should.ropose that, instead of the school& beimidisepsed-of, theybeatentinued under their present sy'stein, and thataither schools should be built as early as possible, which should tot conducted on the principles which weie formerly maintained in the corporation schools of the borough. He was induced re hope that by this very simple arrangement the object they haiku view would be attained, and that they Would set at rest for ever this extremely vexatious questiou. By this ar t rangement; tho se who o bj ecte d to the Irish system might send their children to the other schools, and those who objected to. the use of the. bible might take advantage of the Irish system. He did not know that any christian sect could but he satisfied with one or other of these modes. He ought to state that he hadconsutted the Town-clerk as to the legality of the erection of other schools, and lie was happy to sac, without entering into the question, under the sanction of the l'otvn-clerk, if it shoula be deemel desirable by the council to acc i ede to this proposition, there would be no leg al difficulty in suet? a measure. (H e ar.) He hoped, and truste d, that this proposition would be fairly and favourably considered by all parties, and to tout party which was familiarly styled the liberal party, it seemed to hitn, it could not be otherwise than agreeable, because it would be the means of extending to an incalculable degree the blessings of popular education, which would lead to the- improvement of society anti the happiness of the 'people. Those gentlemen who tinned a part of the council, if they were disposed to act in the true spirit of party might vote against it, because they would bring on the council great disgrace to vole otherwise, but he was constrained to think• that they would not act in suet' a mode. He'wai pre pared to give the saute credit to them that he claimed for him self; but he thought their good sense of what was due to the Hannan Catho:ics -would likewise bear in mind what was due to their constituents, lie was extreme') anxious that this ques tion should be peaceably disposed of He really cured nothing about party benefits. They were well enough in their way, but when placed in competition with the peace, and happiness, and contentment of society, th e y were, i n h i s est i mation, weak' and valueless, lie trusted that the excitement which had been kept up by this question would cease. Political excitements were quite enough ; but if they promoted these religious dissensions, toev would keep the town in a continual broil. In conclusion, he begged to propose, "That it was j us t a n d proper t h at the benefits of religious instruction should be open to the poor of, every denomination; and, in order the more effectually to pro mote this object, it was expedient to erect additional schools, to be conducted on the practice of the former corporation schools of the borough." (Cheers.) Mr. Councillor J. SMITH bad considered the subject in ail its • bearings; and conscientiously Believed that the present system, of religious instruction, introduced into the schools, had been fairly tried, and had signally failed. (Cries Of " Hear !" and " No, no !") Gentlemen said 4‘ No. no!" he said " Yes, yes!" - Convinced that th e p lan o f relig ious educationintro duced mi g h t answer extremely well in a Catholic country like Ireland, but that it would never suit the feelings or taste of a Protestant people like the English—firmly convinced of this, he saw no better method that could be pursued to allay the religious ferment in the public mind, than at once to adopt the plarT fil Mr. Birch. It must be evideoll to every one, ifroin the results iratj t e late tiainicipalAilection •that the Irish systeilftwas . a eh 071 uupopulairone. Tfirvoice of the people was against its introduction. (Cries of ".No.") And they might as well endeavour to stem the tide of the organ as to stein Go tide, of public opinion. He would repeacit—t h e vo i ce o f t h e t eople was against the m . It s a d vocates might deny the fact ; but only let them continue the experiment to the lst of the following November, and he would venture to predict that they would be convinced of it in a manner that could nut be mistaken of the truth of his assertion. Taking all these matters into consi dot atiun, he most cordially supported the motion of Mr. Birch, because he censidered . it the only method by which they could consign to the doom of oblivion the demon of religious discord; and the only means to infuse into the minds of contending sects and parties charitable feelings of harmony and peace. Mt. Councillor 131.ACKHURN here rose, and ,vas immediately' followed by Mr. Councillor J. Cropper. Mr. Blackburn then• said, a Member wished to move an amendment. Out of courtesy he did not object to concede to his request. Mr. Councillor J. CHOPPER said Mr. Blackburn might make it perfectly agreeable. He only did so iu order that Mr. Black bunt might have an opportunity of replying to his amendment in his speech. Mr. Blackburn then sat down. Mr. Councillor J. CitoppEa said he did not wish todetain the couneil long. With the early part of the remarks of Mr. Birch he entirely concurred ; but he was very sorry to see that he had changed his views since the last occasion, and proposed another motion, leaving altogether the one which he had had the plea sure of seconding. He conceived that he was acting on prin ciple when he proposed that the corporation schools should be sold, because he conceived that the corporation never could conduct schools on any principle which would be satisfactory to the whole population, and on that ground he felt it his duty to stand forward and support the resolution which he had seconded un a former occasion. The strongest reason that he had urged against the sale of the schools was, that it would be a concession to popular clamour, and give the conservatives a triumph over them and make the corp Oration a laughingstock. Now, if they had done wrong, as Bible Christians it would be the strongest proof of courage to retrace their steps. (Hear.) He thought he had done wrong when he allowed the introduction of that system' into the schools.; and, in ord er t o put hi mself r i ght he would move, "'That it be au instruction to the Finance Com , - mittee to sell the schools on a 75 years lease, or for a specified sum; that they be so ld separate l y, and with the stipulation that they be continued as schools for the education of the poor." Mr. Councillor EDWARD CROPPHH, as no one seconded the motion begged leave to second it. He did so as a matter of principle. He felt bound to get rid of any system which ex cluded the Bible, (Cries of " Oh.") • Mr. Councillor H. La wnsNcs suggested the propriety of postponing that amendment until Mr. Birch's motion had been disposed of. He considered Mr.• Birch's inution as well cal culated to still the public ferment an d give genera l sat i sfaction. Mr. Councillor Botrost conceived Mr. Blackburn to be in . possession of the chair, and as such, moved that heproceed. Mr. Councillor BLACK HORNE would take the liberty of mov ing as an amendment, the following ;—" That the conduction of time schools be continued under the direction of the e luca tional committee. appointed for thelrmanagement." He sliou:d not offer any apolo • for taking the liberty of intiuding himself again on th on this important subject. The deep in terest tie felt in education generally, and the active part which ad a en i his 1. ,in the management of the cur poratitn •tool • at idis 0 • exeu.•. mem the pr.posttion •had been • ci ~• 0.0 e should re,ervlr himself, • on it. When a prep.- lit ion was. . 'ran:. • I. se e schools altogether, he could not be content ve a silet ote on the question. It he understood rightly the g argunient of the councill o r f or Cas tle -street ward, he had rtsted his argument chiefly on two grounds. He trusted, he would not consider it unfair, if he should allude to what had been published on the question. The first ground was, !hat these schools were opposed by public opinion, and the second was, that they were strictly, arter i al!, sectarian schools. He would say a word on either of those sub jects. He apprehended by "public, opinion,' they were to un derstand, in the present instance—and the councillor for North Toxteth had adopted his opinion —was meant the opiniou of the majority. He would grant that this system bad been most vehemently opposed by a very influential, aud powerful party, usually denoininated the high church, and tory party. They were well aware that it would be so. Every one must have known that that .party was most strenuously opposed to this system, from the very first hour of its introduction, with one brief execetion. He alluded to the period durkg which the Peel and Weiling,ton administratiou was in office During that time the opposition to this system ceased for a while, and when the ministry in power announced, as they did, that they in tended to continue the system, and to make larger grants of money in support' of it, than had been granted in preceding years, then this violent opposition hail sank down into oblivion. But the moment ,Sir Robert Peel, and his party were driven .trout power, it was re-urged, With all the cant about excluding the Butte, iu order to annoy a patriotic ministry. He was snare, un moving the resolutiun for the introduction of the Irish sys tem into the corporatiou schools, that it would be neeessary to count the emit, and anticipate the oppotiition they had expe rienced. lie hail done so; a ,, cl he felt there ens 110tbing in that opposition which ought, he contended, to have the slightest influence on their opinions. That opposition was precisely What they ought to 'expect--neither more nor less. It was tr ee indeed, that some few indivainals, who had not usually acted with that party, along with the infiu..to a they had, had been draw n over iii them, a few of those who were usually found among the ranks of the reformers, Hut they were iutluenced by mistaken noti6ni, an I 'were 'under a delusion; and lie 'eli te! tained no doubt of their return to their former opinioue. (Loud cries of lie .i.) it %%us tviter ad that the majority of the Peoide were agattist them; ammo tin iippeal hail been made, on ethiritilr"ll..,,,),;'‘ri, s "e•c t asion, and On the present °erasion; by the c O un• 1 . 1 61.ty Ward to the filets of the late election, At ..: the Lute late eleetion, the refuriiiers had returned a majority; so that, even takin g that as the criterion, there was nu d e . dishy a evidence that the majority were Against them. And he would take the liberty •tion was not th e on l y questio,,f u s o l iV i u ' s 'g hit t -h hu i t t t h h a e d sc h h ce o n ol en g :l i e ' a s- - voured to mike a point against them. Had there been liO effort in relation to the ;mike questio n ? Had theme been no attempt g n i IV, mod e c o e n e t h h i e e . fi fi score ect o f i i , e , :e h t , l e i oieux Theire ir i r•ei s r e i lt i l f: ) b e L l t a h l i a l s i t e j b l u v o l i t l i t y:i . , n mind t t i el e p v r t e l re p re s s ing wereinvig crime i' (flea..) , very expedient tacticians. They knew linw to take advantage of pal ticuiar circumstances in their favour ; and they were not over•niee about the means. (Hear.) While one party were turning up the whites of their eyes at the sad enormity of the exclusion of the Bible (ruin the schools, anotherli i a t r h tythweekreeelrpaeiris together, and c oquett i ng r q i f ue s t a l l i i i i i t g i it feas ti nga s, n c d onte mni ng the police, and all fur the love of Con servatism, and for the love of the Protestant cause ! (Loud cries of hear, and laughter.) A coueideratile d egree of outcry raised by the party might be - attributable to this. It was not to be wondered at, especially when they took into consideration that the trininph of their own party, at the first municipal elec tion, bad lulled Manyeof the wards into a state of unwise and false security, and aroused the opposite party to the use Of these means in order to secure 'success. But, after all, where was the evidence that the public voice was against then ? So far from that, he would venture to contend that the contrary was the ease. Wits it not - a fact that a very considerable proportion of the most influential members of the Church of England supported and approved of these schools. He maintained that to he the taut iii opposition to the opinion which his friend the inetnber thr Castle-street Ward had urged ; and an immense majority of Dissenters highly appreciated aud valued the importance of the system, and had continued to do so from the very first moment of its introduction ; and the Roman Catholic population were with them as the heart of one man. They hailed the establish ment of these selections as an immense benefit to them; and it was an evidence on the part of England towards Ireland. that the union of Iceland with Englund was something more then a name. (Hear.) The noise the party made was uo proof of their numbers—no 'proof of their strength—(hear)—on the coll trHry, violence and vehemence were pretty plait' indications of their want of power; and whet) they considered that public meetings against the system were got up for the pin pose, and the lashin g i t h a d received from the pulpit, they might believe that it was a proof that the oppositi on t o it was limiting hi its effect and dying away. ( Hear, from Mr. Councillor Egerton Smith.) lie contended that the first argument adduced had not time weight that its propounder attached to it ; and so far from there being any reason to aleilish the system on that ground, they had every encourage meet to persevere in it. Suppose they we re to change their course, as the mean, of securiug peace, s li d t o pot an end to religious discordant' strife in the town, did flier think that any such t ffect would follow ? DIN any man imagine that the opposition of the Tory party to the members of that Council would he changed ? So tar from that being the case, the very circumstance of cm - wettin g to public opinion would have the effect I,f furnishing them with new and additional at guntents to oppose them, and taunt them with pusillanimity, and Wu tip this as a plea of their total want of principle, and of Omit preference of place to the maintenance of those princi ples wh!,•11 they held to be T ight. and on that ground as un worthy of public confidence, mind deserving to be excluded from the council.: And what would they pleased, i ey e g a a s i e niy it did peac not purchased otfoi low tha in t such a mode? If one p ar ty were every body w o uld be pleased. Would their friends who had supporteen them lie perfectly satisfied ? S u ilt:r wo fr u o i n; th p , e ,n ac h e e the only effect would be, that, instead of being attacked bm.those who here aid trust be their enemies, tacked by their friends; t e nd, after being guilty of that weak ness, atoll subje r t e d to other eomplaints, they would find that they had not conciliated those Avisu would he Let eVel oppo se d . . AIR. PARLOUR'S CLAIN. The Tod x-cesex said Mr. Parlour's claim remained yet unsettled, and it sect, fur the cousideration of the council whe ther they would refer it to the watch committee, it having for wetly had the management of the inquiries which had ended iu the removal of that officer. The claim was then referred to the watch committee. The l'owe-ct.etite said that, according to the municipal act, an alderman must annually be appointed for each ward to exe cute the duties required from aldermen for the respective wards. It-would be proper, therefore, he understood, that at the next council meeting the councillors should come prepared to assign an'alderman for each of the separate wards. THU CORPORATION scitoui.e. The Met Yoe said that, all the trifling matters having now been gone through, he should call upon Mr. Rainsdeu, who had a petition to present on the subject of the adjourned discussion. Inn Councillor RAM/MEN said he had a memorial to present from'the inhabitants of th e North Toxteth Ward on the school question. The sentiments it expressed were the sentiments of a large and influential body of men professing reform principles. The memorial purported to be from a public meeting held on the 22d day of November, and stated that the memorialists, hay the heard with regret of the proposal to sell the corporation -schools, trusted that such a measure would not be adopted, as -it would reflect great discredit on the council. It stated the' alerm to be very great in the ward lest the schools should be given up, as there were no hopes that the surplus funds of the corporation would provide a substitute. The councillor for North Toxteth Ward then said he could say a great deal upon this subject; but, on presenting that me morial, he thought it proper to be as brief as possible. Mr. Councillor PLATT begged to 1• e:se that the memorial be -received ; aria, in doing so, he wiiithr , ..ay a few words ou the subject. His mind had been considerably alarmed by the dif ferent reports that had come, and also by the letter which he hail read about the exclusion of the bible Irons the schools. In order to relieve his mind he had visited these schools ; ;it'd, he was happy to say, the: so far.es he had gone, the reports were utterly unfounded. The bible was in use, and had never been excluded ; and not ouly so, but, in the South Schools, it was highly gratifying to see .a Protestant clergyman reading and explaining the bible to the children, an act which redounded to the credit both of the head and the heart' of that gentleman— Mr. Aspivall. That gentleman had assured him that he daily read and explained the bible, to the children. He did not stand there as an advocate of !he Irish sys:eut of education any more than he did of an English or Scotch system of - education : but, ts, his mind, this system appeared to work extremely well, and he could not imagine anything more applicable. :Ir. Councillor E. Sill rn said, with regard to that meeting he relieved there was much agitation in the town on the subject, and he should move, if it were likely that the schools were to be dune away with, that their verdict should be delayed a month, in order that the public might have an opportunity of express . jag what their sentiments and feelings eere. They would then • se t that the opinions expressed at the Amphitheatre and other places by political partisans were not the opinions of the ma jority of the inhabitants of the town. ( Hear, hear.) iii Councillor Bmncis was then called on by the Mayor. He s.i,i, when.•hrehed addressed the council before on the subject the schools, he iiiici,entered very fully into - his reasons for be hoving, that it was most desirable t h at they should be disposed :,r, under certai n revelations, providing for their continuance heesefter as sentineries. Siuce that time he had most anxiously eed carefully re-considered the subject, and although he did not in •end, on that occasiou, to propose precisely the seine motion it, he had done before, yet lie was as firmly persuaded as ever, ti,,,t . it was Hot only: impolitic and unjust, but that it was atiso ,eeely iinpessible to persevere in conducting the school s much • - I tosser exclusively on the present system. H e h a d i n th i s ques tinti etidenyoured, by every means in his power, to divest hints acct of party bias; and he helived he might say with truth, that he had . n e t i n d u l ge d A u an y rancorous or politic a l a ll us i ons. 'Notwithstanding which. it had been said, that he had been in floeured by a dread of incurring unpopularity, and a fear of offeteling the Conservative party. Against charges so general •ead e •;tvy as these, it was extremely difficult for any 'sun to urelertake to deieijd himself. As thr any personal feeling and desire of populerOtv, the very humble station which be was till ing its that emitted would ever prevent him from presuming to think about such a thing as impularity. It seemed to him to be ridiculous. And as to env fear of offending the opposite party, lie could only se‘, that whilst lie was anxious to give a becoming -Consideranou to the opinions ef others, he did not think he had ever, in ;hitt eounciletelt aiiv great concein as to what party migoi please, sir offeutl. But as a eefereuce had beeu inede to their t otai courage on this question, they would pet - net him to observe this--that he th oug h t mora l courage was always moat powerfully exhibited when it urged, as in his case, the prosetutiou of what- he •tek to be his dimly, am/ opposed to, the opini.tus. of his own parrs, and the itheina t"."S of hie its mind. (ileac, hear, and atm.) He coral assts • e them that he was net inseusible to this feeling bet 4 he did feel a fear, and be was out ashamed to mention it — a fr tr ui encouraging a spirit or os.*tinnte rejection of the ascer taiued wishes of the public. ( Hear.) He feared to forfeit the ehereeter of that ceuecii an the putilic evimation by a pertina cions ac:iierence to an acknowledged error, and, moreover, he feai•ed tit supply the opponents of liberal institutions with a pro argument against reform, by showing that an ass'etri b, Chosen, hacl.found an exclusive system iu opera-• lien in the seleiele antl . had repla ce d it by anot h er system still mitre excTiiiisc; blear, hear, hear.) The most popular arguments b had heard against the proposition he had intro duced into the council consisted merely in the aseeteion that theesystein adopted in the schools had not yet had a sufficient trial, and that the opposition to it had origivated and was still earrie.d on from piety and painted motives ; but that in a very shoit period the religious scruples of the protestant, would tbs. appear when the advantages derived from the present system were seen. He was perfectly willing to give the gentlemen who used these arguments the utmost credit for sincerity, but he must ea'; that the arguments themselves were of very little value. It was very true, indeed, that the cry against the council had been swelled by the shouts of many who took very little in. terest in the question, (hear.) but to urge that the great body of the, people of Liverpool was instigated by a criminal desire of tinges the sacred mime of religion merely for the purpose of in jut ens! the reputation of that council, seemed to him to attribute to the town, a most iniquitous principle of action, and, at the same time, to raise that council into au unnatural degree (d . im portance. ();fear.) It was his opinion that in the breasts of a large portion of the people there existed st firm and penile . eat hostility to the present system. lie did believe that the pro testant dissenters generally would not resort to the arc heels. He was saL:sflial that the idea of amalgemating the different sects of ielieion, however it might be entertained, would never be carried into, effect. It was a very common practice with T11..1 dissenting from the opinions of others to say that the epiaiees of their adversaries were religious prejudices.. Now if were lair ie, .reference to one, it was fair as regarded the a hole; and the advocates of this, system, when th ey a l luded to e;eir opp onen t s as persons under the influence of religious eireindices. ouebt not to forget that the same observation might with eque! justice be applied to themselves. There was no more pre,ir . eti ::ee friends of the Irish system of education asserting that. Imre wouli reconcile the protestants to the system thou these aould have been in the clergy asserting the slime, % , :tlieregent to opposition to the old system, and that time would tho catholi,s to the indiscriminate use of the Bible, ( d 5%r.) i.e truth was, and there was no use in attempting to irp 's . lttise it, th at re li g i ous pr i nc i ples and prejudices were early Pd. and he did not believe when enre them were fixed that h"Y earthly Power would remove them. It was a smiles of sa tiei eu.":,,,arlti.er than of pleasure to hint thSt the settlement of ,e,„ 1 7 en oppo h rt a t ? been so long postponed; because it hail given iur rellevine the 4" of consi,:ering of the most desirable Means Alti.ineh his object front the difficut:ies 'which t e sisted, been on the former oeewalt,PreeiselY the same with ulna it had Go t , • he,iadaije mi n d a when he had a t tempted.fil•rftrinte nt, sae au.cs,moish wr e st it!ieiree of agitation. rent should i. n e, as h e . ha,d h a d ni n a e s r . .1, L ! 1 , ay very different means. ''."6,asts the question in all ire RE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. • - them, and who were their natural enemies, and offend these wh o saon s at ate a th e vary ai,aeays of their strength. ( Hear:) Ile hail hitherto viewed this arguinerit With relati on t o nu m b ers as something based on a solid prieciple; but he did not consider this ariatneant based On a solid principle at all. lie did not consider that gentlemen who took seats iu that room, as repte sentatives of different constituencies, came there as delegates, as automatons, as unteasoning representatives of the opinions rof others. tl e conten d e d t h at th i s was not a correct theory of epresentati on at all; it was impracticable; &tr a in order to; carry out this system, they must poll out every member of the constituency on every question that would arise. A man who came there as a aepresentetive,,atele there because the person• whit chose him tied confidenee in his integrity and judg ment; and he came th ere aut h or i te d and 'entitled to form his own judgment on every question trot - ~' , '.'ore him, and to act en that judgment, (" Hear," Iran Mr. Councillor E. Smith ) 'They were not intended to go there in slavish submission to their constituent s , He had already contended,- and'-he trusted successfully, that the majority were with. thene He entertained that, opinion most firmly from an inquiry pretty extended as to the state of public opinion. But, were it otherwise—were it the fact—and were they assured of it—that the majority of the pet)... ple of the town were opposed to those schools—he did not see why they should concede to their abolition. The question was, were these schools useful, and valuable, and calculated to pro mote the best interests of the.cominunity ? And, if they could satisfy themselves on that paint, their course was clear—their duty was plain and obvious=-it became their duty nal vote for their continuance, be the consequences what they might. And a man was unworthy of a seat in that council-room who was not prepared to say—" Farewell to office and farewell to power, if they could not be maintained with consistency to principles based on justice!" The second argitinent which had been rested much on was the fact asserted by the councillor fur Castle -street, but not proved, that the schools were sectarian. After all, he did not know whether he regarded them as secta rian in their very principle and uatirre, or whether he considered them as having become so itepoint of tact from the state tf feel-. ing and practice of the town, ' lie should beg to offerau obser vation or two op both these positions; and, first, as to the fact. There. were at - present in the sehoels cennected with thecor-. peration about 1,310 children, In the whets, of that number he bet . ved he Might, assume (and he was under.the mark) that 2r r ere protestant and 1 050 Roman Cathelic children —a eery y y proportion of protestants. Whit they considered the pe culiar circumstauces of the case- a he granted that gthiee dispropor tioniudividu4 seas very .ctinsiderable--but *heu they considered the a i circumstances, it wai not so great - as - might have been expected..j lie begged natant to their recoltectiou the circumstances whiclrl existed when' - first these schools had been called Inas existence,d When' they were fiat opened, they had not a sin in the schools to direct the in. The individuals who ltatprlvi eus l y haul the inairageinent o f t h em gave up the i r nianagehent a day or two before they wet e opened; awl they had not th sli assistance. In-addition to this, th e indivaluals whaiatd pr est. lv conciliated the schools ' re ianne7l . • ely inetaliaci oto s anis S of a liar - kind a-. . 'lei rh wh ya . % , a may used. es dr iy• re sellitinits t to sAfusrs a ' placards wer e stuck about, sigelitM, clergymen, the "people n o t the m; to go to and' holding-nut- th , .spit., and inducem en t D ! that some. would speedily be open .ands, the managemeht of the teachers, and - iu additionro 0 . , • - - "The pulpit, dna! celesiaitic". resounded against/them. And, ' addition to all this party op position, a most v i o l ent exciteasent took place in the immediate neigh/aunt-hood ofihe it:hue:its—an excit ement so v i o l ent amongst the vulgar ra bbl e t h at it taAs foutel.necessary to call in the aid of the police before the c ldreu could get sa f e l y to the schools; and it was n o t till at& vidual tied b e a n b roug h t b efore the ma gistrates a t t h e police ffice That anything lik e quietness was obtained. T o sa y tha under such c i rcumstances us these the number of 250 children of pratesta n t parents had attended them was a great t r i ump h o f t h e principles th ey ' had maintained. Ile maintained that it was a fair evidence and a decisive.proof that if they would 'only persevere the time was not far distant when their popularity would 'far increase and a fair number of both denominations of christiatis would attend them. So far was it from the truth, that the establishineut of these schools was a complete failure, that the very 'opposite was the truth, and it might be asserted that the effort to put them down and to excite - prejudice against them had of itself completely failed. Another question of more importance was the principle —" were they or not sectarian in their essential character ?" Now, they would bear iu mind that they were produced in Ireland for the very purpose of providing au education fok all the people aa in which both protestant and catholic might, without any compro mise of painciple, be educated; and' the question simply was this—" Does that system provide a means of education and a plan of general instruction in which prottistants and Roman catholics may join without any compromise?" That was the fair question; and he maintained that these schools did present a system iu which protestants and catholics might participate without the slightest compromise. (" Hear, hear," from Mr. E. Smith.) That was the question. Upon the question, whether the protestant children had or had not the free use Of the authorised version of the Bible, such as protestants ought to require, or not? He would treat this on a simple ground. Let them first inquire what it was protestants ought to require. Surely they ought to be satisfied with the peculiar enjoyment of the scriptures. Surely protestants would not say that they had a right to make their consciences the standard of all other men. They would not say, he apprehended, that they were entitled to demand that every man should think precisely as they did ?If this were demanded—if this were a matter of conscience, and if that were called protestantism, then all compact was at an end. But he considered that this argument was not worthy of the smallest attention. Then as to the fact that protestant children bad not the free use of the Bible in these schools. Facts had been declared that day which render ed it unnecessary for him to make any statemenion thissubject. It was a question of fact of which every man might be satisfied if he pleased. He would tell them them that the Bible was used.for one hour of every day in the week—that the schools were open, and surely protestants ought to be satisfied with this. It had been made a point against them that, in intro ducing the. Bible into these schools, they had departed from the system they had professed to have adopted, and it had been en deavoured to shut them up in a dilemma by stating that they had not introduced the Bible, or, on the other hand, that they had not iutroduced the Irish system. He denied both the:se asmertioes. And, with respect to the system, he would maintain in opposition that it was perfectly consistent both with the ori gine! plan presented to the public by Mr. Stanley, and it was the aelaai practice et those schools in Ireland which - were now adopt ing the system and used the scriptures. Vas there not a very mate rial difference between enforcing the use of the Bible and prohibit ing it ? Suppose he had a hundred children, and he was to say to them—"We do not make it a rule—we do not compel you to read the bible, but we strongly recommend it to you to read; and, if your parents are willing, facilities are provided fur your reading it." He did not in that case enforce the reading of the Bible, but did he forbid it? (Hear,) The line of distinction was most obvious. This was the distinctiou—the Is ystem did not prohibit the Bible—it did not-fdebid it, even s to the catholics it was not prohibited but by the 'opposition of their parents. And it was a fact, end ha ventured to assert it in de fiance of all contradiction, that if, in these cot poration schools, conducted.un this system, a Roman Catholic were to bring his child, and say, " I have no objection to my child reading the authorised version of the, bible," theme would be nothing in compatible with the system in that child mixing with the pro testant children, and reading the ecriptures with them. They had a right then to say that the bible was nut. excluded. He trusted the p r i nc i p l e wou l d never be maintained in that council of forcing the reading of the scriptures. That was not probes (autism, but persecution. (Hear,) In a letter vrhith had been addressed to that council, they had been endeavoured to be placed in a dilemma ; on the one hand, of abandoning the Irish system, or, ou the other, of not introduciug the bible into the schools. in that letter, was a letter from Mr. Stanley, to the Duke of Lienster. There was one passage in it to which he must - beg leave to draw their attention. Speaking of the Kildare Place Society, he says :—" The determination to en foree, iu all their. schools the reading of the holy scriptures, without note or comment, Was undoubtedly taken with the purest motive , * with the wish at once to comet religious with moral and literary education, and, at the same titne, not to run the risk of %Sturating the peculiar feelings of iiny seceby catet-he tical instruction, or comments which might tend to subjects of polemical controversy. But it seems to have been overlooked that the principles of the Roman Catholic' church (to, which,: any system intended for general diffusion throughout Ireland, the bulk of, the pupils :utast necessarily , belong) were - totally at variance with this principle; and that. the indiscriminate reach,' jug of the holy scripture, without note or comment, by children, must be peculierly obnoxious to a chtirch which denies, even to adults, the . right, of unaided private interpretation of the sacred 1-entitle with respect to the articles of religioua belief. Shortly after its institinisin;althotigh the society prospered and ext. - aided its oporatioas uniter ahe fostering care or the legislature this vital defect began to bri'notii•erl. and the liannan,,Catholic clergy begen to exert themselves- With , iiirergy and success against a system to which they.wereonatentaeapie opposed, an d w hi ch they fe are d m i g h t lead lit its results to preselatisin, even al though no sitch ebjecCwerisacnilierniplated by its promoters." Now, that determinatiun a to at autorce- the reading o f t h e scrip tares w as t h e cause of the'llutui-e of the Kildare Place Society. He says a " The vital delete otthe Kildare-place Society was the itidiscrimate reading f the bible in school' hours," , No, the (..,_ vital detect wa s the dkerininittien to enforce its reading.. There was soinethiug apparentlydisingentions in this. There was the leaving out sif the subsequent argument, which constituted the very essence or the letterthe deterininetion to enforce, not the leaving out; and, there ere, it was with a view to put an end to this state of things thaathe uew system was adopted, and it was found to be all that . was necessary. A great stress, he was aware, was laid i uvv i ti s h)h , i o srtai h lt i eg.e g t, : titr f erh: l rney h oeez a nfr.e . t) i hi e ,,, el/ termsait slues"school hours they were told that the bible was not read in "school hours;" and, taking the -resolution of thwcouncil for a guide, there was some plausibility in that. Perhaps it would have been wise if the council had used such a ternaasa"geuertiattellio-olhenrs"— sonsething to have conveyed the idea that. there were other school hours—plain and simple language to convey a plain and simple idea . But they had not ,expected , dr prepared tor the subtlety of their opponents, when they saw the effect that had been produced by the use of the ingenious term of "school hours-" By the cautious use of that term tt passed for the as sertion that the bible was not used at all, and made that impres sion en the public mind, and, in consequence of that, it all , 6ti s li : ti v bet e urie l e i e e , I t f l wsaa : i h syse e piti p io: ea u ostd r e p irit ug as e dndes o luau f . ed d irio,e e nd i g u p: i a i ii i ini n udi g , deceivingeitils,e;sr.d,euiervs!:iispe escape , h, e becausetpa u t I db i e iirie p ec. u t b wa l A i hn c eillit: piv H ihmeie e t. to them as taught the schools, it served them tpoios:sy—"Oh I but it is not iu the tanned home." The age of ut corn schools,r,compromise i not d:ifrareelut:othses ; not vet passed away,:and at that rate they must ". What is • ?'' f 11,hili:ilegi;:sfAtjrrur, ocastliet,:l;'yu:a:nsynCts,ttlioefr'sstat":::e : e mir! smell n as au s:e w et a , e " every 'tante 'unlessit were (Leta cheers.) II; would trot dea t s a in ug t h h t e i n t i ' " school hours." by such contemptible arguments. Thin' letter concluded in a style of denunciation .' It must convince eaery gentleman is ho sat to that council, that the divine judgments were Hut at the disposal of the writer of it. He supposed, if they were, he for tal e, anthill who sat in that council who de'red to think differ- would fall under the writer's ban.. The subject was too solemn to be dwelt upon; but no man could read that letter— without being constrained tno°aSbehli:iribiteheineitnifiloMt snotlutinidiejlTelegUtielennt—which it breathed—thus to hurl the thunderbolts of ettinipotent ahl v iil e i: r r i i g : e nn a ir mi oi c ,n e, br n uutt it sat a ae i i i n n os s tf t tt t hh h ee e o s d tt , i s , ) a P p t i i e ' n s e l traesanrsnad and d l rbee a c es ° t i s il ) n : t e rn s : e t n e ent T n n t e di o r le s a, f tt o e e t b . d v ( u:e? d i t al t: ( i s too u n n l f e l , : i7 t h li e t ßarge htin. to h . themes iie sanc tioned o t t it . t t h n e ct c, tiiimortnvuentitiyn, withoutpoint contended, principle, these '' e i schools t o he a r il in sectarianclassesr'i se li nf e teadadth u r e a re that any exception. and let a roan have religion or no religion, he was at per that they: were open to per fect freedom to • have his chilaren educated iii these seminaries was n P t ;i l ls ' e g iP r i o e u ' ground i n the ,sliyhtest degre e f it 're n! tt without departing a -.tubjerarhat°ifnttir'raat" rdian knot' on way, —while it provided religious instruction for all, it terceallit d steYh u nle c itt e ee l m.hl a a e:—.n g ee o td'h r im. d u i ti a (r n (Li'tdo k : u !utd o r t c ,— trhfihee i si t sit g o l o w. t rid of theirdi ffi cultism, and in this on none,—it dealt with individuals in such a nianifei; itleit!ir a valuable edu c ati on f or hi s children. Had it } melt a fact that left every man f ree , an d it tendered t o hn u, at the salve time, not one simple. Protestant child had eutered there scheolsnip to that hour, gtouuded on principle he would stet have given hisnute fur their discontinuance even in that case; much less uow, when about a iil.h part ~f the whole uumber were already Protes tants, antishe had hopes that they would ittcrease. And tied the whole children 'been the pour children of Iristi Ittenan Catho lics, be must houestly say, that .he neither admired the charm.- ter nor envied the feelings of that man who could dissent limo their admission into these schouls,—whe could dissent trout the assemblage of a Dum b er of ch i ldren together in these schsols, who were the most deserted, in order to secure to teem habits of order and of propriety—broug,ht together to fit them for useful ness in future life, aud, at the same time, to give them habits of order, decency, and propriety. To acquire a knowledge of the Lemke of Genesis, Luke, and the Acts of the Apostles. present. ed a scene at which indeed bigotry !night frown, but at which truechristian philanthrophy would gaze with emotions of delight. He had thee endeavoured to inset the principal objections which his friend ; the m em b er f or Castle -street Ward, had raised, on introducing the motiou which he had now abandoned. Ile must make ;slew observations on what his esteemed friend, the mem ber for South 'l'oxteth Park, had said; he had contended that education was not a matter in which they could interfere. Now, 'he was very far front agreeing with hitu on this subject. They were authorised by the mun i c i pa l act to employ the surplus funds for the good of the town, and in improving the condition of the inhabitants. Was the education of the !war not good'; Was there no advantage in employing a small portion of this sum for such an object ? (Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) So far from agreeing with him, he was of opinion that they had done well and wisely. They had done well in beginning with the education of the lower ranks; and he treated and hoped that they should yet realise the object which had been adverted to some time ago by a councillor for Abercrowby Ward. (Dr. Carson, on the subject of establishing a university.) 'l'heir neighbours at Manchester were now directing their attention to the establishment of such au institution; and with regard to the schools themselves, he trusted they should never rest satisfied till they had carried them to the highest point of efficiency. Why should not Liverpool have her normal schools as well as Edinburgh? Why should they have it said that the schools existing here were obliged to send to the e north fur teachers) There was a great demand for teachers throu g h out t h e k ingdom, and it was an obj ect worthy of ambition' to ;stake these schools capable of sending out future teachers--sources of benefit to all the country, and spreading abroad information in emery direc tion. They had been told that "the intioductiou et this system was a "feeler,',' in order to• ascertain whether the people of this Country were ready to adopt a system so favourable to popery. {A laugh from Mr. E. S mi th.) - N ow h e h a d had the honour of introducing this system fi rs t t o t b e 'Ed ucation 'Committee; and he had strenuously advocated it, and he should continue to do so, and he did not hesitate to say that he gloried in it. He was perfectly willing to allow that it was a feeler on his part ; and he hoped and believed that it would extend all o'er the country. (Hear, from Mr. Councillor E. Smith.) If the system were ight.iu one part of the country, it could not be morally wrong n the other ; and there they were bound to consent, where esa n ' „, , ,,,,,r eats to its , e4lishinent s in th o t p t er sited estautta ex sued it wit esirab inn' . ' tholics and map contender, that this system should be extusted, in every part of the empir e ; and he trusted that the future historian would have to.record that that council had been the first to make the i experiment. He regarded it as an human- to have made the experiinent ; mini he trusted it would succeed. Let them not tell him that there was any danger to penes:autism from an union of catholics and protestants. Let them not disgrace protestantisin by tellites him any such thing. If he thought there was any,danger to protestantism—to the view,: he entertained—from associating with catholics, he would instantly go otter himself' to the Roman Catholic faith. That system which would not bear examining must be wrong. (Loud cries of " Ilear."i He did not know any thing why he should be afraid to admit the system to a fair trial. If this should fail, he should begin to suspect that it was contrary to truth. What ever was the opinion on this point, that was not the place to discuss it; they were not met there for that purpose. But this he would say, "great is the truth, and it will prevail." The education of the human mind would render them capable of exttruining, the subject for themselves. They were aware that from its first intruductiou to the present period a great majority of the clergy of Ireland had been strongly and violently opposed to this system of education. There had been from the first some honourable exceptions —some men who had seen its value. They had joined in giving the board their support, and he was happy to say that their number was on the increase; and there was some hope that the opposition to it in Ireland would be greatly abated, if not put an end to. They would remember that the Rev. Charles Boyden had been sent aver some years ago as a delegate from an orange society. That distinguished and talented gentleman had altered his views upon this subject, and, wilt some slight qualificati on , had given in hi s a dh es i on to the system. The c l ergy of the ' diocese of Kilmore had re cently had a meeting with a view to take into consideration this subject, and though he believed that that meeting had expressed itself hostile to it, yet he maintained that it was a circumstance showing that there was a skaking in the opinions of men on this subject on the other side of the water. It was not at a time like this, when the strenuous opponents of the measure were be ginning to relax, that that reform council should now concede, because they were simply charged with the enormous crime of giving a good education to a few Irish Roman Catholic chil dren. (Hear.) The question that they had to decide that day regarding these schools was one of great importance. The council stood iu a responsible situation, he contended, with re gard to these schools, and the eff"ct to be produced by its decision would be considerable. He had no doubt their oppo nents were anxious's- watching what that decision would be : that decision would be watched through the length and breadth of Irelised. Let them look at the state uf that counts) at the pre sent moment—let them contemplate its writs of rebellion where the tithes were got in, and tell him whether the establishment in that country had any popularity to spare. He weuld ask the mem bers of the council at the present moment whether it was wise dud discreet in them to deprive them of the addition of education in the schools? They were in a predicament when it was wise to conciliate—to do ail that laid in their power, as individual s , to soothe the feelin gs o f i rr i tat i on, which but too justly existed' in the minds of the Irish people in relation to this country. It behoved them to show attention to every mode of conciliating religious differences, and he couteuded they could do so in this instance with perfect consistency. Was it not infinitely better that these schools should remain open, and accessible to the !nob catholics, that, when the poor peasant, driven from that land, came accrpss, and set his foot on our shores —goaded, per haps, by some tithe process —was it not desirable that there sl;.tuid exist one institution to which he could go without being told that lie was a proscribed man, and cast out of society, be cause he professed an erroneous faith?—that he could go to such an institution, instead of'being frowned away as an alien in language, and religion? He timid advert for a single mo ment to the proposal brought forward by his friend. flis ob jection to the non-adoption of that course was, that they should be establishing. strictly sectarian' schools, on the principles for merly adopted—schools which would excite strong opposition. And they wou.d be exclusive schools. His second ground of objection was, that he gathered from the whole tenour, and course of the present schools, that they were not sectarian— that they were open to protestants, and Church of England pro fessors might attend them, and obtain all the advantages of bible reading as effectually as in the schools which formerly existed. On that, he contended, the whole issue depended, and he contended that, these schools were strictly neutral, and freely open to all d enom i nat i ons. Such were some of the views, and feelings by which he had been actuated in standing forward as the humble, aud unworthy advocate of these schools. Such were some of 'the hopes in which he had ventured to indulge concerning their future usefulness to this great population, aud to this great country. It depended on the votes of the mem bers of the coucil on that day, whether these hopes were to he realized or not. To the refinmers of that couneil he apptaled for their vote. On them depended whether these schools should be continued or not, and he knew they would not i llisappoint him. He knew that they would not, coned by the malignant howl (If faction, shrink, and cone down from the lofty elevation ou which they stood. He sat down in the perfect confidence of their votes—he sat down confident that they would have the admiring view of the empire turned towards them for the noble example they had set of philanthropy, and patriotism, and of enlightened chrietianity. (The honourable member sat down amidst loud applause, to which Mr. Alderman Stuart tusinly contributed, by vehement clapping of hands.) Mr. Councillor RATHBONE said he was quite aware, after this very brilliant, and, to his mind, povverftil and logical address, of the disadvantages be laid under in bringing► before them dry details of facts. lie had put these facts into writing, because he was shvere they would be criticised—not according to their in tention and mea n ing, but according to verbal criticism. [Mr. Councillor Rathbo.ne then proceeded, with great rapidity and some indistinctness, to read his speech. The reading of this speech wits precisely what the speeker had predicted it. name ly, a very "dry" affair. From the rapidity and indistinctness with which•it was spoken the reporters gave up the attempt of taking•notes, and the council appeared to pay very little atten tion to it. We have, however, copied the "authorised version" from the second edition of the Telegraph, to which paper we have reason to believe the manuscript was furnished.] The Whitten speesh begun, " In seconding the amendment of my friend' Mr. Blackburn, which I do most cordially, it is not my intenti on to trouble you with a long reply to the circular ad dressed to you by the Rey. Hugh M'Netle, as I have only a few facts to oppose to his long columns of suppositions. The reso lution past by the Education Committee on the 15th of June, was to set apart certain hours "fur the formation of Bible classes, mmd other religious instruction." On the sth of Jnly the hours for religious instruction were changed ; but as the re solution merely , altered the hours, the nature of the religious ju s t l 4,6 on was not again specified. Whether the resolution passed in Council specified the Bible classes particularly, I do out remember; if Dot, it was an omission; but the intention has been clearly stated too often to be misunderstood. So Much r m . ~,, r r oes—our practice I will giye hereafter. The second e s iss on l e s upp o rt e d w i th a similar inattention to the laws of idence, and refers to what Lord Stanley has written on the .ICilda-re-strest Society, not choosing to meet the fact of what the Board themselves have declared to be their intention, and the provision they have made to carry that intention into effect. The preface to the selections, and for which a Protestant Arch biseop, of piety and leaf uing, is responsible, especially declares t h at t h e object of the selections is to promote the reading of the Bibl e . In addition to this, the Board provides hours for reli gious instruction, which instruction common candour might have led a Protestant Clergyman to suppose a Protestant Arch. bi s h o p would not consider complete without the use of the Bible, even had it not been declared that the selections had this object in view. The following are the. rules of the Irish Board on this subject : na Head.—Regulations of the schools as to tuition, &c. Rule I. Such extracts from Scripture as are prepared under the sanction of the Board, rvav be used, anti are earnestly re commended by the Board to be used during those home allotted to this °ninnies, school system. 2. One (lay in each week (independently of the Sunday) is to be set apart for the religious instruction of the children, on which day such parsons or other persons as are approved of by the parents or guardians of the children, shall have access tn them fur that purpose, whether those parsons have signed the original application or not. 3. The manage rs o f schools arc also expected, should the parents of any of the children desire it, to afford convenient op portunity aim fecility fur the saute purpose, either after or be fore the ordinary school business (as the managers way deter wine), on ether days of the week. 4. Any arrangement of this description that may be made is i, b e publicly notified in the schools, iu order that those chi's then, avd those only, ntay be present at the religious instruc thin, whose parents an d guardians approve of their being so. 5 . The reading of the Scriptures, either in the authorised or Donau version, is reearded 64 a religious exercise, and, as such, is to be confined to those times which are set apart for religious instruction- The Caine regulation is also to be observed regard ing prayer. Lord Stanley sneaks of the determination "to enforce the read ing of the Serietiires," " without note or comment," as the " v ital defect" of the Kildare -street society. The Irish Boxed think it wiser '' to proinotel."` strongly recommend," and pro vide h it for the comments. Bible to be read, wh en th e c l ergy may g i ve their own Perhaps, with our national jealousy of compulsioti, particularlein religious concerns, they may Not be mistakee in their view of the likeliest means of promoting ticripturai 'education. , The I;(..'kt pitragrripli, like. those before, is suppoeitionse -- "Poused to bets.. sl seated that ceitain means had f, e en found successful " iujirraly implanting religious prin ciple" in the children of even corrunt parents. If thi s i s out "an inward and spiritural change," I'd° not know what is. I leave without comment Loth what he assutnes as being neglect ed In" amuse not inserted in my letter, aud, the cousequepee of Nov 23 036.; • . tharneglect denounced against the schools, as a specimen of h;s . ' caudoer a a chanty. Tile next paragraph ie already ail:towed ; seats, bee ause this prie e ipi e i s not reeogni>ed. Whether lee tn . otir eweernment (ski our mitiLsters reit scarcely mu/ nl a g , the selections eie not ii nsew ted or ; Hes t as substitut es , but as en- wlegs, they tremble on Mei:. eerier. bee saes this great m 1" , ,,,, couregentents or aids to the reeding of the Bible. As the i whi c h i s woitt en keine scith feu/JO/fierce in Christian co ; o pt children are all t aug h t b y th s i r Hem clerg'ymen, apart from the lis nut reeuenived by theM. And theityls the principle a. r e , lest, I de net see how one sit readinw the whole Bible eel' in- ' th e I r i s ", syst em i s th e be a t graft etheee, yet as the nto"e9, i 7 ei i( tertere with another set readiug only half. The rev. gentlemen o f th ese seh eo l s is taker s out of the publie puree, and de' l ' te. t . asks hew he an iiistruction is " secured," and seems to tholics, and Proteetant e have all conirib sted ; to take e is toi glory in the etntwe that tes cann o t secure the clergy doing . Ana f or th e suppo r t of the schools—th e principle itself to their duty to our prote s t an t ' c hild ren. 11 thi s b e a subject of g il d it is this itself that causes the anarchy and confUsitn! _ re rejoicing with him, he is t.velenne to it. ti i m e.r , is ,, t d e , t triltseleto:: justi i l, net: e t, ,o a m nd m, e 7 iN a li t t ion n z o t tr f i u tl h r , s a ta d si b ct e i e ny , g tl iv l anoto lu the South Corpora tion Schools we have one drew-beck to his gratulatinus on this point, for there a clergyman et' the 'Amen of Etigiand does his I cou nc il ret a w ny t o the shouts u . f . this corporation—Net .. duty fearlessly and zealously. We are grateful to hint for his 1 situded mue will not pacify th e inhabitants of this ttnen;f eir assieratice, we respectfully seek the assistance of others, but if i not conciliate /eo n ueiiersally, becaitue you are not ',. "? , refused, we will endeavour to train up the protestant children i Me first preiciple to which I have already allude" Teo in the way the parents (to Whbni the responsibility legally as 1 crie s of " Qeesti e n." o 1 shall now beg leave to sub shall well as rightfully devolves) wish them to go. Ido not wish to 1 the amendme n t which I have to snake en this , ' e -L e f undervalue the servi ces of the clergy, but if they stand aloof it 1 "That the Council are most anxious that all the chitut t e he shall be our aim nut to neglect our duty to our protestant 1 poor in this town should enjoy, to the fullest extelt.tt s, brethren. We may hope, with the blessing of Providence, our mount blessings of education, and they would gladly this labour will Out be in vain, and may recoll ect for our encourage- themselves uf the corporate funds iu furtherance of .i , meet, under their opposition, that ever y effort for the spread of and beneficent object, were it possible to do so without v,..'u tioi, the Bible or tl.e education of the poor has been at first opposed I the sacred rights of property, and sapping the foun,°!„„ by the great body of the clergy. Who next charge is where I 1 justice, teeth moral and divine ; but, as guardians of 0 7,r, pgi bring the Bible and Bridewell in 'opposition. The rev. die- purse, this Council can never consent even for the att , n putant prudently states that he is ashamed to argue against of su great a public blessing, to take from funds, the tru st v such a charge. The next is a personal matter, and is easily teat of all denonetnations, the means of 'Maintaining ", settled. The rev. denunciator, claiming more than the infaili- teat of education ethetever, which, in its practical effect . Cov bill!). of the catholic church, judges motives, and speaks of my' be partial and exclusive in regard to the benefits it miglt 0 1 1 having taught the Church Catechism "as a principle of expe- on any community. They will, therefore, forthwith offe r .. c i e t diencv, supetseding practieally the principles of conscience arid school-roams, at a reasonable rent, to any individual or s .. u doc e truth.'" I never said, as he would make it appear, that 1 who will engage to afford a comparatively gratuitous elude; taught as truth " what I believed to be ft sehood and idolatry." , tion to the puor children of this town on equally, ; e el! I never hart the presumption to state tharl thought the worship principles with those which have been reoently cetabil' ec tict : of my l'Onitarian fellow- Christians was idolatry. In these this council iii these school-rooms, with the right of inl at , tb , ! matters I own no human controul, and seek none over others. of a committee appointed by the council to see t it ies e The members of the council will remember that I distinctly object of diffusing education amongst the poor is ettl a ' t stated I had heard the children their catechisms, simply My object, I hupe, has betas clearly understeod. I sari ti t _ t et requiring the words of the book where I did not agree with it, Ceunci/ may set a noble example °fins/i c e and uprightness/ 1 w) and endeavouring to enforce and illustrate it where I did. herfetbeic-men ; and I shall be exceedin a ly proud if this gf c .,i i it My principle is, that the reeponsibilitv rests with parents, as to noble town was the first to announce to th e world us reY al the peculiar religious faith in which their children are to be righteous dews to all our fellow-men," ell e educated; that my (hay, as a member of a committee for the The M A Tun inquired if any one seconded Mr. Ita wr mantigenient of schools paid for, and belonging to, all sects, is Ilevevortife resolution ? or to see that the wishes of parents ate fulfilled, and, under no Is,'S) one, however, rare to second it, sad the amendment pretence whatever, to interfere with those wishes This leaves sequently fell t o t h e ;round. u sufficiently h eavy responsibility, and appears to Inc th e li ne of conduct most consistent with my views of the weakness and ce ede no ,, Mr. Councillor LA3SELL begged to offer a few realest:ll,i: SUpport of the aßlendinent. [Mr. Lassen then pro frailty of erring men. Air. 51'Netle in his closing paragraph, read a - speech, wine'', like the previous one of Mr. Itatbb° t ie declares his ngness to acknowledge his ertors. if convinced appeared to be little attended to by the council. We el' e ws i he is wrong. Let me ask why, previous to writing his letter, authentic version" of this also, the manuscript of which„fp he did not go to the schools and learn for himself what is the sent for insertion in the second edition of the Telegraph.] of fact respecting the schools, of which he has spoken and preach- had neither read nor heard any aegionents which would in re ed sO much; aud even now, as far as 1 know, he has only been him t o v o t e th a t th e school s he dispoled of; On the cO n Y e a wl•l ito one of them, and not to the South School, where he might he trusted the council wesuld nut abandon Mtn patronage" :,.st havieenej a ptstor of his own Church and learned from him the cationsln this town esialtsh they had enjoyed for 'nearly t'' .lo l realllittW of tie might, pwrdiaps, have satisfied turn- centuries. Since the year '1565 the corporation of Wiverl' iso f self and those friends he so modestly styles "the Protestant ins had contributed to the supporrof a free school until the dent tilligence" of the town of Liverpool, that their "scriptural pre- the late master, which happened .in 1805, and then the sit e -, dilections" need no longer "array them in hostility" to the the school-house being wanted fur the enlargement of the 01 ,1 0 schools. Our present concern is not, however, Gentlemen, tvlint Coat Hospital, the building was demolished. At that time 1 , 5 is the Irish plan of education, nor whether our schools are real education of the poor had not sp many advocates as it has 05 0 s Irish schools, but what is the Liverpool Corporatiori plan of edu- and no steps were taken till 1825 to reptile() that school vrithed cation? What are its schools ? Shall they be continued ? If other; but owing to the gradual progress of opinion the coupe. they ale continued, shall they be iin the present plan ? The determined to erect the schools which are now in existet' ii t present plan is to make religious and moral trainiag, not teach- The exclusi ve const i tut i on of the old council was a suffirte say, our first obj ec t. To give the best genera l educat i on, both reason fur the exc l us i veness of the schools; but tirnee R e's intellectu a l an d i ii ora l , with reference to their future prospects changed. They have descended to us as truitees for a Pl o w in life, till the last of the school-hours each day, and devote that benefit—even those who oppose the system adopted in lc last hour partly to peculiar religious instruction under their school respective ministers; partly to general religious instruction, s concede the principle, that they can no longer be eXe, 0 sive. All systems of education which are not based on religr io under the teachers of the schools; and thus , to make the schools are decried throughout the land; they are denounced foal' w s desirable to all,—and they are desirable, and desirable lev, both bench and ho ot the pulpit, and he humbly coincided with '''o3 Catholic and protestant. In the South School, to whit sub- general voice. It was to meet this feeling that the Irish sY st cw l committee I belong, our numbers are in the had been established. It had been stated that it bad pt e n , GUls' school.—Protestant.. 70 abortive. He found, however, that in the report of 161 :10. Cath01ic.... 14 4—T0ta1..214 tilr. L. here read the first report of the Commissioners for k''' der Boys' school.—Protestant.. 63 eating the Poor of Ireland.] On this repent, published by °r . Catholic.... l sl—Total..22l of parliament, he was more disposed to rely than upop ale stgl o r Is this a Sectarian, or exclusive school e The sub-division of tions of individuals, who, with strong prejudices, looked at ! the Provident District Society in which that school stands con- abuses which cannot but creep ;n rather than to the benefit! ' tains 28 families, visited by the society; of these 15 are Catho- which are sure to be confeered. They were told that their O f lie, 5 Protestant, 2 mixed, 6 unknown. When we consider the serials would not amalgamate —that was a strong word—tb n e 'e large proportion of our poor population, which is Ctseholic, and associated. They.hed in the South School 130 peotestants as the large provision which is made for Protestant education, we 300 catholics associated together in the perusal of the script° tnust admit we have our full share of Protestants notwithstand- lessons as furnished by the board. He found in this f lee 55 ing the unscrupulous clamour, by which it was sought to deter "nese selections are offered, not as a substitute h er e he 5507 t them from eutering our schools. They have been called Ca- volume itself, but as an introduction to it, in the op of t h i el u f Mai. Schools. The Committe e , the masters and mistresses, are leading to a more general and profitable peiusal tit the \Vow! , all Protestant, and a considerable proportion of the scholars. God. The passages introduced have been chosen, not as hell; It is true, that the Catholic children receive instructiwn from of mor e importance than the rest of the Scriptures, but mire d their own ministers during one hour of the day. Does this con- as appearin g to be mast level to the understandiugs of chilu r i o stitute them Catholic schools? What is the religious instruc- and Youth at school, and also best fitted to be read under I,: lion given ? Again, I must speak from th e sch oo l I know best , directions of teachers not necessarily qualified. and certaiil First, the Bible is road by all Protestants, who can read every not recognized, as teachers or religion ; no passage has eith u e s day in the authorised version, either to the Rev. Mr. Aspinall, been introduced or omitted under the influence of any vati c to a visitor, or to a teacher. Mr. Aspinall devotes the first hair tar view of Christianity , doctrinal or practical. hour , to the girls, the second half to the boys, every day. The 'Besides these works on the ordinary' subjects of educatior i other half hour is devoted to catechism, explanation of the col- we have compiled and printed two numbers of a series Of lee' r lest, hearing it and the scriptures committed to memory, in- sons from the Holy Scriptures, one from the Old, and the °th e , struction in eastern manners, customs, esc., esc. The younger from the New Testament; and we propose to go on adding. '; protestants have the same religious instruction in substance, them, until we complete a copious abstract of the narrat i !, varied in manner according to their age. The catholics aro, at parts of the Sacred Volume, interspersed with suitable P P , ' the Caine time, in a different part of the room, receiving from ages from the poetical and didactic parts uf it. We proceeel e a their ministers instruction in the Douay version of the bible or the undertaking with perfect unanimity, and anticipate, fr ° ' catechism, or preparing for hin t under their own monitors ; or the general circulation of the work, thetb , best results.' likely to else are joining in the general religious instruction under the Surely it was anticipating an evil which was not ,. teachers of the school. They rind by singing a hynin, in which happern—that the little children would imbibe evil from res t ' children, teachers, and ministers !trail denominations unite. In ing such lessons as those which had obtained the sanction of th e t cuPtirmation of what I have stated, I beg leave to read a note 1 thrtte Christien denotninations. It had been so often stated ths have received from the Rev, James Aspinall, in reply to one the 'Bible was read, that it was not necessary now for him to re" which I addressed to him : - peat it. A very prejudiced man once asked if any good thil 'Mr DEAR Stin—ln your note of ye s t er d ay y ou a s k me to could come out of Nazareth; and he was invited to come an state to you, first, generally what portions of the scripture the see, and examine the pupils for yourselves as to their Bi ble protestant children have read with me at the South Corporation knowledge. He did not mean to say that this was the best P er Schools, and secondly, to particularize what portion of the saute sible system that might be devised; but it came t o th em under they have r ea d. d ay 6 y d ay, during the last week, the sanction of high authority, and Let them have time to proet,.' • With regard to the first of the in its children have whether it would answer their wishes or not. The applicati°e s gone through with me the gospel - td 0 St. Luke, and for admission to the South School, uutwithstandin all opposiici that according to St. John, and also e book of the Acts of the Lion, were in the ratio of about twenty Der week ,- and it w ould Apostles. They are now oecup• reading ti ne hu u k of Gene- soon be filled; and he was confident tbat,auyiulaginary cif' sis, of which they have neatly the close. ' was mere than counterbatanced by the Positive good which Was ion, the last week's reading obtained. Were the Cuuucil, be asked, aware what these ' With regard to your seems has been as follows ;—On IVlonda , the 41st chapter of Geuesis; schools cost ? Let them not then throw away their schools, on Tuesday the 42d; on Wednesd a y th e 43d ; on l'aursday the which were au honour to the town. Grant to their comruittets 44th; on Friday the 45th. It may be as well to add, that on their confidence for another year, and give them a fair chance itlondity, in addition to the scripture reading, they repeat and of success. If the schools became after all exclusive, alter the are examined as to their understanding ()fate collect of the pre- plan. He entreated the Council nut to yield to the clamour vious Sunday. On the other days they a l so r ea d a portion of which had been raised, but steadily to persevere in the indepen` the church catechism, or read in a little work entitled 'The dent course they had adopted, and the opposition would grade manners and customs of the Jews,' which is of the greatest use ally subside. in enabling them to understand many passages in the bible, the Mr. WALMSLEY said, after havingtaken mach personal inter whole point and force of which depend on a thorough eumpre- est in the management of these schools, I ate rout eoutent, when pension of these subjects. they are concerned, to give a silent vote, especially as consider 'Of course, the Scripture reading with me, to which I have the result of your deliberations on the subject this (lay tube of the referred above, is entirely out of our authorised versien of the of the Bible. I wou ld a l so h ave it understood, that when I tai utmost importance t o t h e ris i ng generation. Before coining t° talk any cio. may be well to advert to e inciple it • children reading su c h an d suc h port i ons of Scripture, Ido not wiled' onc the lus Coun n cil it (with th the e exception o f Seven of its members h ); limit the phrase to mere reading. I intend it to signify that it is a few months ago, came to the unanimous determination 0 1 explained to them as they go on, while they are examined as to throwing open the Corporation Schools for the education of the the proficiency which they have made, and required to compare children of the poorer classes, and to bear in mind the injury one passage with another, and to acquaint themselves must that would be inflicted on so great a number of our fellow-crea thoronghly with its contents, historical, doctrinal, and moral. tures, by again per their portals to be closed Against par' It may not perhaps be for me to say so; but Id o hope and think Ocular sects. If I rightly understood Your wishes, and- Ibe I perceiv e in the children a manifest and decided improvement they were in accordance with tny own, these sehoots being public in their acquaintance with and understandin g o f th e scriptures; property, were to be applied in the manner beet calculated to so much so, indeed, that I cannot help fancying that it would conduce to the genernl good ; to the purpose of giving those amply satisfy even those who are now the loudest in their vppo- who were otherwise unable to obtain theta (withonedistinctiols sition to the schools, could they happily he induced to visit them, of sect or party) the inestimable blessings of education ; none and calmly and dispassionately examine and inquire into what were to be excluded. I would ask had any been excluded r has been accomplished in bestowing on the children that reli- Have not your wishes been carried fully and literally into effect? gious and scriptural instruction of' which they profess themselves Are there not at this moment children of various religious de' to be the eager and zealous champions.—E ver believe are to be notnivations receiving those instructions which .are calculated Most truly yours, ' JAMES ASPINeILL. to snatch them from the pathi of vice, and lead them into those ' Abercrombie-square, Nov. 22, 1836.' of virtue? There are now in these schools 1300 childreu, mostly I can only, in conclusion, again expre ss th e earnest wish, that of the very lowest order, and, if we may judge of the future by in the moral and religious education of the people at least party the experien ce of the past, the change that has taken . place zeal or religious bigotry may not interfere. The field is suf ficiently within the last few months, the general improvement in 'the wide to allow room for all; the results hitherto have morals and behaviour of the childre augur a benefit to societt been sufficiently discouraging to make the trust presumptuous equal to the most sanguine expectations. To your decision we diffident in asserting that the way has yet been discovered in mu s t bow, hut consider, I entreat you, the result of selling these education to effect the religious and moral elevation of the peo- schools; it will be again to ee'etwe to vice and ignorance a greet ple; yet no one will deny the all-importance of such a disco- numb er of these poor childien, whose hopes and expectations v e ry. Those who are pioneers in this work in simplicity and you have been pleased to raise to better things. I trust you sincerity are entitled to encouragement, and even if they fail, will not blast these hopes, these reasonable expectations of the must be useful as a warning to others." He was very much effects of Christian charity. Sow not again the seeds of disunion obliged to them for the kintinette with which they had listened and h a t re d amongst those whom we have, endeavoured to teach, to this, and h e b egge d to second Mr. Blackburn's amendment. to love ad respec t each ! ememb tha he re' Mr. Councillor LA wititm7l4: Hay wos tl ' il spo k e as follows: tards the n progress of intell oth er ect counte ß nanc es er crime, t and who is him , Mr. Mayor and gentlinen, tbough l hare to propose an amendment self the greatest of criminals to a state t Who are the come also, and also on the originUl motion, as well as on all the amend- plainauts against the system adopted ? l'huse who are rich in silents that are parsed; yet I feel that in doing so I would not this world's goods! Those who have numerous schools at their trespass for a moment on the time of the Council, or disturb the good command ! Duise wh o f or years have, for the benefit of one understending which I hope prevails amongst th e ernerilyof.e g en - sect exactee ill ing t fer denoruinee acme,' in this cou nc il w i th regard to the,c schi e d e , wholly impress e d lion , ! Thos d e th who unw have be ri en bute rom the loudest every oth in thinr reviling& as they are that they are most ezccilent in their nature. If I h a d against the ignorance their R oman catholic brethren, and f the powers of or atory o th e gre a t e st an d most of excellent m en , i who :Mould have been the first to rejoice in the fact of the 'would devote those powers to speak highly of these schools. lam sacred volume being introduced amongst them through the me happy to have heard a most excellent account if them from our dium of these schools. Should political feetiugs or fear of losing jeetworthy friend Mr. Blackburn. Ile has been eloquent on th e su b - some popu l ar i ty have any effect upon you, be assured they are , out he h as not uttered one word in praise er these schools in delusive! Do you expect any abatement of hostility I, y re-- liefwhich Ido not concu r to the veryintlest extent. It is my firm be- tracing your steps? If so, you will be lamentably disappointed ; that there never were schools instituted, either in this or any the opponents of reform will not hate you less, and the true other country, which were destined in their nature to produce so friends of liberty will despise you. You will throw another powerful engine into the hands of the enemies to:reform, and much general good effect as the schools are. Burning as every word of Mr. Blackburn was with zeal on this subject, 1 say,ji ' 1 you will blast the brightest hopes of the advocates of civil and possessed language still more potent, I :could use it with full e ict religious liberty, to maintain the importance el these schoule'sas liteY now exist. 1 Mr. Councillor Enanwore SMITH said, as the representative would say more, Tit were only to convin ce th e gentlemen here how of a large ward, comprising a great body of the poorer inhabi deeply lam enamoured of these schools. But as I have an amend- tants of the town, he felt deeply intereeted in this question-- meet to propose, I shall refrain, There ma y b e g o od of every kind From what he had heard he had very confident auticitiations anderif every character. But the object is not merely to have yood— that the result would be satisfactory. The question they were we ought to have go o d t o b eg in with— we ou g ht to here good in its met to consider was one of very great importance. In the first legitimate principle —in its linindatiuns of justice it ought to carry place, it was important to the Council, as regarded their own out the good, not only to the present generation, but to generations character and consistency; aud, in the next place, it watt one of mankind yet to be borer ; and if the schools be not founded mi the of the most vital importance to numbers of poor children in the ferensolid basis efjustice, it will—the obje c t we contemplate will be dif- town,—the children of nbutit 60,000 inhabitants ! who, if not tto this Ke w, and will, i n ti me, b ecome a nuisance, and, per- brought to some school of religious and moral education, would haps, a pre;isdice to soeiety. There is s mode of conveying instruc- become pests to society : and these persons were of a class whw aim which is countenanced by revelation itself—ther e i s a made o f e. t .a ( ' not afford to pay any thing, even the raoderate pittance doing it which comes home to every is' oral feeling; and I regret proposed by Mr. Lawrence Heyworth. In the next place the that thi s i s t h e only omission that my learned friend, Mr. Black- subject was of importance collaterally. The cry which had turn, has left out in his powerfUl ar gumen t on t h ese schools. It is been raised against the schools was not confined to Liverpool. the voluntary principle. And if that hook, the Bible, be of any It was part of a system to bring the municipal act, and those use at oil, it is of use in directing us in all the pursuits of life in w ho supported it into contempt. Ft had been assumed in that which we engage. NOW, it haebeen clearly shown by evere man room that the public voice was against them. He denied it, -- that has ap e t c ..,, 0,, this subject to-day, t h at religion is inkimately he only wished it to be put to the test ; and, as he had said bee interwoven with the instruction we can communiCUte to our fellow- fore, be should certainly have felt it his duty, if the event bad creatures. The re i s no t an i n di v id ua l w h o h a s addressed us this tnade it necessary, to move that a mouth be allowed, to allow day wh o h as n ot thi s combined obj ec t i n v ie w . Now, as we aro all the public mind to speak on the subject. (Hear, and cheers.) Bible Christian s , it behoves es t h ere f ore to l oo k a t these rules which He had happened to be present at a meetiag,—and he was ate laid down in the Scripture s fo r th e regulation of our fellow- proud to say—a meeting of an incipient Operative Reform Ase men. If we do not thi s —if we set t h e Bibl e aside, and adopt cur sociation, and had heard some very intellignnt speakers allude , • lead of the Bible as our guide, we the n ma k e a ,t o the subject,. and he was convinced if they canvassed the town, own opinions, ins from religion. it se lf . I would p a i n t out th e they would find nine -tenths of the intelligent part of it in file eery serious departure passuges whieh rel a t e t o thi s i n t h e Bibl e . In the Pentateuch your of the system they were supporting. It would be exceed there is not an instanc e in whi c h th e vo l un t ar y principl e i s no t a d- ingly wrong in him to attribute unworthy or uubecoming nlo" vised, by whieh means knowled ge was to be obtained. That lon- tives to such men as Messrs. Cropper. He knew them to he image runs thruugh the wh a l e o f th e L ev iti ca l law. Thi s i s the excellent urea in the distribution of their wealth, with which it reliyiou, part o f the su bj ee t, But there is amoral part. We are had pleased God to bless them ; but he was sorry for a moment to consider that the brut, that support these schools are drawn from to find them going in the train of a man who called himself a the purses el every denomination of Chrestians. In Liverpool the bosom friend of the forger M'Ghee. (Hear.) It was a political larval. tin Y Party. Perhaps mai weuvre—nothing more. The system of selections they de corporate Jima: cannot be spent to . ... existed j I cried was sanctioned by a Protestant Archbishop—a very ernt, gentlemen would tell you they are not exclusive, because, children de af every denomin a ti on of ch r i s ti ens can yo to These schools—tlner e j tient man —sanctioned by the Duke of Wellington, Peel,- and Stanley. And gentlemen who said that this system was suitable yet that kad not the, sa me a dv an t ag es and privileges in this respect. ' for Ireland, end not for nngland, made a most strange an is no one prohibited. Now, I knew no school that has ever I never heard that the Catholic schools prohibited and prevented j nouncement. IL was like saying that these persons had lent Protestants from attending them, though they were so; or that themselves to a compromise of Christianity, and that they had Pro/want srheols preveeted and prohibited the children ef Catho- j allowed a system in Ireland which was not fit for Protestants in tics because they ewe so, • m ;laser heard of an exclusive school. i England. Ile wished to say something about Scripture read What I now und ers t en d f rom , ao exclusive school is, where it does j ing. He would state that there was more Scripturesreading not plohibit children by the authority, but by the repugnance that i under this than under any former system. He had himself been hich prevents these • • ' I d . He t oo k them to patent s from b r ought up under a vet y ort lo ox parson. exists in the breasts ef parents. w i'l d I he hear xendin . q their breasts to t h e ,rhoott. I ty o point out this de- Church twice nu a Sunday ; but on no other dal would . feet? Because it is universal in every i t attempt to provide educe- ' the Bible in the schools. The Rev.. Mr. Monk, who now aSbias. lion for the public in the means el apl! limy muney which is left in figuring in public, never introduced the Bible at all, wh i l e with it-ehe ~,,,,, 1 „ p odi c b e di ese and it cannot . be said, without doing injus- ter of the Royal Institution. He had been taxed . that it was true. tire tir parties,by those who are lef lin Mill of 0 pliotiC properly. 1 IleVvr denied' it—and he took it for granted Bibles to school. era ',ewe/sided, from our common nature, whether i look at this lie knew that people had been desired to bring making use of. council, as beginning in bringing forward the reeounition e this in order to defeat the argument be was then he had to all nortie. if /look . the school,-and been principle of doitr.t; Jusliee . . . to Ireland 1 see One person bad brought a Bible to • of i s, eayritgoe tithes is 1 • 7 " , bp, att . h 1 • t h e e fie e t there ,-1 . , - had n - occasion to that e o and his parents. 1tt:74,01 , from out ' , lv" , c hl ""lt ""t"tifioal Ibis reirsor e 4f I look ering it--they did not use it awe school-book, . -. e~. I I i , / / I , a 6 !`~ 1