The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1843-04-28 00:00:00

. ifOtOtnaiiol id }4l/4 WI,Q 444, WA 'WV, ii/CPA 04? i','soti4 the ; 4 , 11411 0 Witli the re •u+ atiXs:tilotifiliog 1 1 4013 i i f l ''i 1'i1,'.41,Y, t ap Incas nation, and tint Atonanient, (Lud elipero.) ve do press these upon - the young niind, although the coca- Pl ' eb ension of the pupil is overborne by them, because we Press them not upon the reasonable creature alone, but upon .e uependent creature also, where God has a right to his fiend RS well as every other power belonging to hitp. Foi this reasontl , then, w(; cannot agree w ith those who think that M,)eould deep and o b scure and mysterous doctrines of th e G os p e l /e be kept b ac k from the children's mind. I pray you jttember this, for it is very plausible to say that people o b „ ° _ ll .. l d . only learn as they are able to understand nit tie ''lo 10 the modern philosophers of these times I to transfer vi_ hat is true about secular things, and apply it, where o i o c . s e f a,p e to be true, to sacred things. (Cheers.) I %in: ) a - ne `1"tiol, difference. Upon this account it is that w t t ."' from that school. (Hear.) And now I come tothe third class. With regard to the third general class I will read the se :— eand resolution Passed at the meeting before referred t o 2 ( 1 . That an legislative enactment for the . p . notion of th is o bj et nit% gave to Y d promotion and privileges *lU'l'eld from O re"g" deummnatm" a "u q, to be stivnuously Posed, OtherS, Would be unjust, and otn, t That • . n : :quality among the third school. He n ar p . u ) sit A m l n l t hatch gof __ere °lents and assertions proceed upon the s t p e Is nothing here upon earth higher than h t. n m_ind A la tt i t,. 3 ; that there is no such thing as divine revela io , .., s oles so• Ur ist,s,'" — '•‘ o . nO, I deny that. fi°.e • 4, titz.--My sentence was not finished,—or, Ivew-aa-s 0 1 4 g to L aaY,--or, if there be such a thing as divine re _ il l y. i e ._ taere is no such thing as any man or class of men . l os _ y tli 6 e :. 1111 4 certainty of what is revealed truth, a s to ju st i f y i t 4' in exercising their influence and authority in I p f r d e ivine _ v P.Oll. other men or upon children. (Cheers.), i t is rtLelati" . be SO uncertain that no man can know what e __ t; sild e f i l r h elY it is practically useless ; a conclusion . of infid elity 434 the e Melt I now speak of would be unwilling . Iria n el °ther hand, if divine revelation be s o . certai o n that a o d' s aY indeed know what it is, God has said then, t , o . press big ot ,. '',Yinff upon other men is not tyranny but .... , Lut.%, w no e t . th e __Y. but true charity. (Great cheers.) In this v t i w la : i edi T e a r tter a IT Inc"iv truth in a fallen world becomes no t I the s itt men would make it, an empty scabbard, be . what ‘ Sir, .. 11 , 1 . 0 11r has declared it to ' be, a sharp sword. (Ch.eerszt. this point d d e is m s eaent i ou a the quest i on o f national educat ion n- n- t esti. the "te d and attended ds that the rights of children should 13 i . parents , reli g i ee , ended to, as well as the rights of boreal, rights of children as well as their civil and . cor eaker alainstitleilstt.(llear.) It was argued by another speaker Alt, 'lll that,— eoaset,e;Portion of human obligations ought to be to individua t n llt i, 44 t a '!'llcl the large r the portion of such obligatio . i l i e e s ft they dared to : Li e' iVoillri,Pidinti er„,,,,dome, and with satety, tn 'better and the Agre e d . 1 I t the state of society. it, let e s tstbil principle we agree most cor dially : andw . h n a (. t .s i_s let ttax, that has rendered legislative interfer encewe a kening, farasite',even between parent and child, thus o ca racter ) li`ands, the independent manliness ot the na i , ,frectio,...istead of placing implicit reliance 9pon t b l( i l li f i n tt u ir n a d l nee essa !! and tender management of parents, it has . eel aroun . theirto throw a shield of legislative protection crue. y d Engli s h their ' s _ t ° g ua r d them against the covetousness and th s tr i t t i. s.,e g i isk :arent s ,, (Hear.) And what has forcedut the i de fair fa t i zt proceeding upon the leg islature, b tem which enrliber g factory system—(hear, hear) — fa ir fi I al agitators for free trade desire to a ex s te y i s id (r t1 ( 1 ) e 11 fa railie 4° f the whole count ? (Hear.) Tile a ffairs . . 1 41 4 e d llgn 'ed Ili hat system that system are no longer left to indivi. thdld IThe preferences of parents to ma a k n e d t m li_ n ir . to the injury of . their health right parents° Longer allowed to have undisputed sway. havt, (Hear.) "lilita a . , are corn ell d to feel that their children . e t ake s l ced as p e than: the lib e t hemselves, and . tha t .. a paternal legislature an such fib er of supposing . itself wiser and more humane El k g . Parents. It interposes between parent and child , th e nee *es and Publishes laws at once for the instruction of stat e i n and the protection of the other. (lieJr, hear . ..) , The and , e , l ailts scibtlai,ng Presumes a right standard of humani. ~,,a , '• sta ndard to compel reluctant parents to confo l L ' o an t , o l O f th e e-'O-4d, for the good of their childreu personally, ' the ten haeri,rl,llity generally. (Hear.) 17) . hat l el ettslative i di ' but an exercise of such 3 Digitised Oterference ? (Applause.- ) wi .ea nt principle bseenieviosleriLt This 46 0 with , not only in its application to instruction physical labour, but is snatch reference. to schools, so far as secular all theserees. 0,0, Certain books re prepared by authority, a nd .e Parenfsssgaren who attend are compelled to read thsi tn . con,, dt are not who d • it would be worse tha n . useless . oah • "neli e th en h„ Parents, or to be influenced e n, sitoulq,,eve,r sincerely entertained. (Hear, hear.) .. Why, 'N ed a ., , s this th e h i r acted prin ciple, so wisely and benefic"aliy recofn oPon in all other respects , tiously be repud ia ted give g eh e :t of all respects y should it be ostenta , . ee reto i r ' lt the Matter of religious instruction ? (!jar.) hisil chid' s Lot. cruel parent is not allowed to injure o f Da ""V , 13Y • • labour, or depriving i d ni re ttir * , c ompelling it to over ed for so ;„ -- eg. 11,4 -the legislature interposes, and is prais to in cal""teh. "'' an infidel or idolatrous parent is allowed l e • 15 child' truth, and if the gislatnr s soul, by depriving it of divine ..(4 e attempt to interpose, it is denounced as 1 t •ranni - d re ettniz em% ) I ask why 's this Have we a deli- an f all „, e aandard Of h - i • b 'f' re which it is the duty o atr e a to b o umanity e 0 , . becoming in a wise .A.,,Pater nsf , and before which it is bow ? And 5a,,,,,--• governme tto compel cruel recusants to , uses ;--- %sen s standardsuelin of religion ? The very ye- We I s the ls fact. R le' l e only subject upon whi . ch 41V -all j ilt' irbl e 1-I°l -s t ' l • subject upon whic h . voice has k a 1 e standard ; the on }. . the dt nt all me oeen uttered u ion earth, which it is l° r lah 4 o ,, ever Y where to obey Concerning the time u s ab le a110 ..t, v ario us - a r ' and the time needful for rest and recreation c . i , et nrided g r e a ; concerning the state of the atmosphere in transition °alas which may still be innoccuous, and the health • and _ state when it becomes injurious to human_ . , t instrZt""i" and all kindred questions, the opinions of the best l'e hatedic'enost competent men may and do difTe . r t ; d an ed anal 'lath e ?itandard, no rectifying tribunal, of acknow e g In etatters City t o appeal to. Nevertheless we legislate. velatio of religio we should be similarly situated, if no re i„ , n ha,, ever been , . . But i f it he lqie cd trueu rally hi that merci- Almighty God himself has bee ts I n it,ll'."!cl to make a communication to men, and to des i re re at e Iv , atit . t Otould be made known to children ; then, , a e aod wednnilarly situated ? We have a standard 11!.r , that it i venture to affirm without fear of ref9tation, r q read s the right, the di; ine right, of every child _ that tel teer - v -, to be made acquainted with God's most holy wor d. th e eh] .) That, air, to Whom is the duty intrusted of pu tting th e ~a l din possession of his right? Doubtless primarily o ker s : . re nt. mid in a Late ofuncivilized life, if the parent be fo r • l 'alde or onwili• e . _t it, there is • duty, Lag to perform his there is no help ;41%41, no higher power on earth, .no controlling go be like pa ' of lik e ' knia progresaive improvement, it m ust __. Ir.,4hiaitt.C`"• But under a government ; a civilizing, r.I "atieti '''. Improving government; a government profess ing rbile anitry, moreoVer, there is a higher power ; there is a ireets4l al, not interfering with right-minded Christian „ i gent, L u at tL t most properly interfering with barbarous, neg "a to --' anti-Christian parents : interfering at least so far the put the children iii ossession of their best birthright— ,.Nist?„r„d ° L t. Gad. Th ePstablishment, as it is called, of t he ee s".eaurch b the state,is the great legislative interf!- ,_, for the Y. . d er ose • and it 7 to oft ' accomplishment of this goo p P , t ' e l mta lagaus to the ten hours' bill, and other mea is I ;l Otkli,. banallegislation in things temporal. his analogy T tl e re. evedeeeer, rashly. denied by our opponents ; and 1 P e qco r gl :c,n to the, L 4 stablislied Church, is evidently th e 4 04 4 eth tneir grievance. Against this they speak with the of 4 N' o a and mortification. Of a - deg raded class. (Loud cries t b, 4 tiol l 4 "°," and some interrupti on.) " Toleration ! tole. : ,why : , exclaimed they .ll •ii nation "tolerat i on . ! oku'itoieration is de degradation !" 11 (e% ( g reat cheering.) Their aim i e : i i e,V of yell igiougs liberty i°a is that all creeds, good, bad, , s ' Prseti"e,rent, should be treated alike—that is to sa y, , it losetb Rho cal- rejection of the Bible. (Great cries of ' No, '' _ tk, unter cries o es" and cheers.) Who, I woulit 'l'le they Poke in this way about degradation ? (Hear, hear.) le di ~ not them us loudly, that Us ssee„.__ selves told us, anti tol d Established te"nrch are conferred on the clergy o f the ( f 2 l lie l'oyceretarnal 7 referred us (Cheers.) Have they not boon eer ts) Yof the apostles as a Christian . orna ment?_e. 14_4 es , he ave they not contrasted it with what , they d t il : t o r) siss"Le unchristian riches of our bishops . (Hear, 4 411 e t heY not spoken with the condemnation of scorn 4 44 , and air grandeu_>concerning all, the dignities of worldly rank lain, (0, that the y • (Cheers.) Well, if this be so, why complain, d ee ' e e!rs,) . 'l',Y,,lare deprived of these Babylonishg r amPerovi lied e Whi t h" i : Y Uot . rather be thankful for the kind Aos e% ferr e d as shielded them from so much temp tation, ti . e ttY ad e pop them the glorious privilege of pr im itive . leir t ' a°. degr d• • at th e .earn et a ati . on, and persecction. . ' , (Cheers.) Either our owl() affectation , or their et th L r ow n „„_,,J 3 nis complaints seetZ speakeeanson are inconsistent. (He , ar bear.) One A '''' said , ra at the meeting from which I have already '''sviZY littl e it I N ,em the attention to the history of legislation on this su bj ec t t '' delik,,k to the conclusion that this 'articular bill was, in fact, t h , Its but "aTat e ithd v -'''` a Most wily plan for church extension. (Cheers.) ,Ittkilen, 5eZ.,....e4rs ago that bill l _sintroduced into parliam e nt by iti - ,.. e 1,1)-- a 1-,`,,,"Y State mf the \" llento Department (Lord John iii e j l 4 icl i 1,;.' 4 truly national for its objects and in its principles, —a t t ec t ,J)yovidentht out all classes together on an equal principle. ; ,t,l,4eZaltdi di,Z.l,.....twhei.rjoint education in a manne r r el f i r g o in m w, w p h a i r t t h y t, ,it .e`evi,li(„sii, owui%iiiizeh gave full power to every lt,„Nlab,ll%.aint nationniu'.i their °.ti wag thrown out aud that bill, national in by the church ts ~ so diy. , a i d ed am _. )t ln d it s spiri . , "t 1 ti lt , '44(1%e Baptists e, he gi • levet • 1 . to say, by the Wesleyan (I f e ' t/e eSSi o (R ear . ) us ork„ on. n here refered to, in the debate in the House at : e ll's e d' e.Lord Stanley's motion against Lord John t e tiekt, ucation naeasure the Right Hon. Baronet now t,‘Vith i . q csf her Alae t ' '-- said, ,to meiet to ~ Js y a government, , • Pa 4 9l f ro , ''''c fstablished church, I hope, rather than . consent they which e celesiastical authority is excluded, !t would L itc iq e( tlae,,7 o ll °.geth er „. front the state on this point; that it would ti,11,55 ,h ut i n ,,7 s ie th( o ' Per e into its own hands ; that it . w_9 a u r ld _az! tii_ t.„411:; 1 1 . at it xiviguld- d publication the i rli s , r o t ' ; ZI et " slioul.i i be ‘,4°,t,t4lll4:tfits powe r by demand ,thatutih,itt!),i% 1 i ' tile minds of children t t , e, e l: tli e , Prtped tlie basis being insole I very much doubt Ziliti4ll,l'en, i'e'Ples of Christia n faith being thus inculcated among k 'tql:P' that e° l chance of harmony would not bfi secured, as by tllAlirt tor nittruatZligion was a n open question, no t that each of the s i e u t ti, a, that p erp u ais b i l; a Minister of his own creed on a certain day 41 ( r e ' tt od (lo b 'as% 4 s teer s 0 n Bess still are, the sentiments of Sir Robert na ie'att Vegtach,,,,,,,,.‘nd we rejoice in th e assurance that now . l Rto, liropot-Set, jog measures as that of Lord John Russel addf; of the oy the Government, or carried by the legis letailll4l44filati". (Cheers.) And here, sir, I would l eh tui e dal:4 tsPeeially to the Wesleyans. I frankly con. teliee,a, tdte which the bill will occasion to some of your nf %La ate , N b e d ? t oe ask, for what purpose came your (4 grapeyse Poor ard Was it not for the christian education. cla m , , 1-,aubtle ' andnot for the building up IAN niter as it was, ' l 4'4 %ell t hat eats of Your own. (Hear.) Suppose i a t • Its. ' this bill will operate against your class s„ Viet tL ! Yet, n „, Sh,po-" 'le eh r • •e as You can show that it will operate d chi.; Ltian education of the people, you can show ItithYoi it abaci reason for o osin it (Hear, hear.) ( liti ll t any t atnongst those P w P ho seek ' their own things, t ey r,) star rOth 1 -erly consider ti nof the things of others. a o have °o ti d el you are olden on e, .__ . not amon thosho are envious of ein "leas done by yourselves And now you 1 44 ) , °toes ePPortunity of showing the true elevation of th e a aY as " t 1 Princi 1 fs e le es , e h oe _ P . es by which you are actuated. You t rrw tt l of sem_ anephed for a season, as far as we could, t :ie Dit r to et seti ce af both Church and State : we have been o t t iid g4e • Ti t Itt th e gari, and by all our energies to stay t el ou s b i t work, indeed was too heavy for us, but tif ee lte aln 11... the State ' is to the necessity Al e urg e „g In thi s ,._ ow, . rouzed 0 Ya - th ‘toir eitn , "Tit. with a power such as we could not it ,e e ts ,„ ,u, and instead of employing us, she ena- Ana Zristlse'"•"aned church as her agent. What then, is .IvorCortang"rae ? IS it to be contentious, and ' envious `,Yeet:,,°, wi t h - e t; or is to be thankful that now, at last, the tt ive ; l IY do, i s t° do, and endeavoured to do, but could not e it t `k e' • to be effeetuall done by other s ' ? If you say, titt.„..4,POiled 3°l ee to see ill y . th t 6). 1 11 th .' as anoiled e work done,' but . we griev e to hei h il otio o el l Pres ent church it must . be by the established ur _ or 'A t or th e _, . semi -popish state ;we cannot end . _ 7 ~ s boa en fr.,..._ eaddren for whom we have so long toiled 're et d of "'" oOr institution and consigned to the care 4114 .41.1411 trustees th , .. , is a aidlt arti er ' l tho e n ., ' e Officnil .chairman of wmc".o_, N I 4 his d . (teams the princi le of the Reformat' 1: , I tia.. this esi to uuprot 1) h church. rteqteeldrati / agree w.t. estan.tise the Englis„ _ , senet iv lit tle d4 l ber i e you In this, with aII ror" ha _ etl Ot l l d Of th e 1 ieeed that such views were indeed c e t i ativ oe c ergy of the established church as a body, e t e 4 thei at e oothi inflo th, leu , r ham_ Bug that would place power or one h t, t a fewEloze4 4 7',.. BUt is this so Remember that 7 ti Ni t , Perwallows don't make a summer. Remember hes t oil,. n o o s e , of nO,tl it L are b,. card Makes peculiarities seem to be many, eculia bt-:tty.of ::_ 4 ru of an _ se . them active, and the ir P ao large til e ' t Oir se ren a s th e 7, 1 7 side. Remember that in would 14 e 4 Pro e Pt to ha'4 e rinr of the English church, it s ide of !stoProxfrev.ez Path of ! s a few peculiarities, on eithe r side b also l ai k aee i ta l t Proirokinuth and wisdom. Remember vernent, st ss eate tee a grsti f „ i g c ause of this Tractarian rea _wing s o , nti;,...., 14 of tile A tig proof of the general and gr.... rs tte, ";'" Pasto re • e rgY as a body. The influence t'l The 0 1 111 the church h increase every- owl, was on t..e . A fo r U 4144 qgiticelleet IA hich cla tF Llc " . i ioel,f ; *PtiiN i41040..4141114yr vtitokiiii iiiwi, - L, TO 1'4,! iyaiitirk, k►u; il4o =3al4i►ii4 7 . 1. 114 Wwogiiiltiani,pl4 - YitiOi* 4l) ( l upc3''L • - W • sy uewspi.,per•rea, nig, it. Cdof e 1.4 ft 0.4p0un., hat was to be done What new aspect conhl the nallw;4.; o'ati assume to hold his ground, and, if possible, regain his influ ence ? Ritualism, formalism, pliariseeism, these having a semblance of piety, might answer his purpose for a time. They have done so. They have ensnared the unwary through a professed regard to the orders and authority of the church. They have intoxicated a few young men, presenting to them a short cut to supposed influence, influence derived from office, not from character. But do you seriously be lieve that these things have made an impression upon the body of the church, so as to characterise her general teach ing ? There is no evidence of any such thing. A flagrant instance here hnd there may be cited ; but compared with the hundreds of sound men, who teach the articles of the church as they are, such an instance may be truly called " rara avis in terris ;" I may appropriately finish the quotation, " que cygno."—The rev, gentleman proceeded ' at considerably further length on this subject, in the course of which he quoted a letter to the Wesleyans on the Education Bill, just published by Simpkin and Marshall, but in the observations we have given the substance of his argument will be found. lam anxious, he then proceeded, that you should yet bear with me a little longer. (Hear.) I proceed now to the fourth class ; to address those who agree with us in the main upon this question, but who differ with us, and among one another, about the particular enact ments of this bill. There are some extreme churchmen who seem desirous of joining in the cry of extreme anti-church men, that it should be thrown out altogether. (Hear.) This, I apprehend, is out of the question, seeing that it has passed the second reading in the House of Commons, and that, therefore, the principle of the bill is already affirmed by parliament. Granting, therefore, for argument sake, that it would have been originally wiser or safer for the government to have availed themselves of the two great existing edu cational societies, the National Society and the British and Foreign School Society, and to have made them their agents in carrying out more vigorously and universally the education of the people ; the advocates of such a view should now re member, like wise practical men, that it is too late, and should see that their alternative is now not between this bill and no bill, neither is it between this bill and a better bill, but it is between this bill and a worse. (Hear, hear, and cheers.) They should also take into their consideration the present state of the factory law as regards education, and the suggestions for improvement which have been laid before the legislature by persons who, from their personal observation of the working and deficiency of the present system, arc best qualified to form a correct and comprehen sive judgment. (Hear, hear.) The present factory act was passed in the session of 1833, and the educational clauses came partially into operation early in 1834; but they did not apply to their full extent until the spring of 1836; and in consequence of proceedings then pending before parliament, they were not really in operation till the month of June 1836. In 1838, on the motion of Mr. Grote, there was a Return to an address of the Honourable the House of Commons, dated 15th August, 18:38 ; —That her Majesty would be graciously pleased to give directions, that each of the • Ibur factory inspectors do report separately, at the period of his quarterly general report, on the effects of the educational provisions of the Factories' Act, as exemplified, in not less than twelve of the schools situated in his district, in which those provisions hive been obserted in the most efficient manner; and that the four factory inspectors do make a joint report, as to any modi fication of the existing educational provisions of the Factories' Act, which may appear to them desirable. In consequence of that address reports were made by Mr. Horner, Mr. Howell, Mr. Saunders and Mr. Stew art, the Inspectors of Facturids; and in conclusion there is a joint report in which they all five agree. In Mr. Horner's repoi t I find this passage— As the lair has made it obligatory on parents to send their children to school, if they are to be employed in a factory, it is neither equitable nor consistent legislation to impose this obligation without affording the means of its being fulfilled, by providing suitable schools whete none exist. It is not unreasonable to require parents to reserve a small portion of their children's weekly earnings to pay for their edu cation; but us the parents of such children cannot unite to build and furnish a school, it must be done for them. Unless, therefore, good primary schools be establisl e i generally tan ou laout the country, or unless schools be specially pr,viocd for factory children at the public expense, the educational provisions nuistcontinue to be inefficient in by tar the greatest proportion of instances, except where good schools are voluntarily kept on their premises by the proprietors. Observe the practical suggestion of this inspector ; and this suggestion we shall find made into one of the provisions of the bill now before parliament, upon the recommendation of the inspector. The same gentleman, Mr. Leonard Horner, At present, factory schools on the premises are established either by the liberality or benevolence of the owners, or because it is the most conve nient arrangement for their works, or from both motives combined. But this only happens in large establishments, where the number of children employed is considerable. It i s i n those factories where the number is small that the educational provisions are in general carried into operation with the least efficiency; and, although we do not hesi tate to interfere when the compliance is merely formal, we are often obliged to acquiesce with a very imperfect fulfilment of the spirit of the law, because no better system of schooling is within reach. Forinstance, it is not at all an unusual thing to have certificates presented to us, subscribed by the teacher, with his or her " mark;" this generally hap pens in the case of female teachers, but they are held to be equal in qualification to the majority of those who keep " dame-schools " In the last quarter I had a school voucher presented to me with a " mark," and when I called on the schoolmaster to read it before me ho could not. It had been written out by the clerk of the factory, and the school master nad been called to put his mark to it. I have had to reject the school voucher of the fireman, the children having been schooled in the coal-hole, (in one case 1 actually found them there,) and having been made to say a lesson, from books nearly as black as the fuel, in the in tervals between his feeding and stirring the fire of the engine boiler. It may be supposed that such a thing could only happen at the mill of some poor ignorant man; but that, I am sorry to say, was not the case ; it occurred at factories where a large capital must be embarked. (Hear, hear.) This was the way they met the letter of the law. Mr. Howell says in his report— Where good :schools are open to factory children I do not observe any reluctance on the part of the parent; that they should be sent to such schools, although the parents are, of course, disinclined to pay a twelfth part of their ehildren's earning; in order that they may remain two hours every day, vith a tattered spelling book in their hands, in some room which is called a school, under the valueless tuition of the over looker's wife or daughter, or some other ignorant person who is meta morphored into a teacher for the purpose o a literal compliance with the educational provisions of the Factories' Act. (Hear, hear.) In Mr. Saunder's report there is an account from the mill of Messrs. Rawson, at Sowerby Bridge, in which the mill occupiers make the following suageations As long as the act ►imply prescribes "teaching to read:", I do not see what improvement could be made upon the present law. A better class of masters spi.ears required to give " u sound, religious, and moral edu cation ;" but, excepting in very large connected manufactories, there could scarcely be procured masters of ability without great incresse of expense. I cannot see bow any other arrangement could be advanta geously made, except " by the establishment uf district schools, with the masters appointed and pull by goverinneut,(probably from lines under the act in part,) and under the direction and superintendence of the pa rochial clergy. The introduction into such schools of instruction in sexing and knitting to the girls, would, in nir opinion, be of quite as much or more advantage than the mere learning to read." Another suggestion from Mr. Saunder's report was by Messrs. Wood and Walker, of Bradford— ' We are decidedly of opinion that learning, without such sound reli gious application as is provided for by the national system of the esta blished church, will only create more adepts in mischief, and that the popular proposition of a national system of education without religion in any settled form, under the pretext of avoiding bigotry or sectarian ism, is nothing less in effect than a proposition to spread infidelity and anarchy. The Rev. Gentleman expatiated at some length on these ex cellent suggestions ; after which he read the following extract from a letter addressed to one of the inspectors by the Rev. Archdeacon Lyall— Iladleigh Rectory, November 9, 1838. MY DEAIi have great pleesure in replying to the questions put to me in your letter respecting the effects produced upon the conduct and morals of the children in the silk factory established in this town by the regulations under which it is conducted. Those regulations are inserted in the lease of the premises occupied by Messrs. Brown and Moy. The premises were built by a certain numbea of shareholders, of whom I am a principal one; and one ot t ject was to obtain a power over the children employed, which the law does not give. These regulations are very simple, being, limit, that the rector, churchwardens, and three other individuals, should form a committee, and that no children should be received into the mill without their certificate; and that they should have a power sunituari:y to dismiss any child or per Son employed in or about the factory whose conduct was disapproved Second, that the committee should be empowered to stop lid. per week from the earn ing of all children under 13 for education ; and that the children should attend school daily for one hour and a half. I have never collected more than ld. a week, and have been satisfied with the attendance— oue hour per day. I may also observe, as a confirmation of what I have said respecting the children, that the owners of the factory, who, at first thwarted me a good deal, have now become so sensible of the advantages to themselves of the regulations in their lease, that upon building a new fitctory, about eight miles from here, the year before last, they told me that it' I would prevail upon the clergy of the neighbourhood to accept and exer cise the same authority as I do here, they would convey the ground to them and them successors for 99 years, and take their factory from them under a lease for that time, subject to the same, and even to more strin gent regulations than I had intended to insist upon. In the joint report of the four inspectors there was this clause— We are of opinion that, in order to secure his fees to the schoolmaster, which he very often loses when he has to look to the children for them. it should be enacted, that in every case the occupier shall be entitled to deduct from the wages of the ( - alibi such sum as may be approved of by the inspector, not exceeding 34, in each week, to pay for the schooling, and that, upon demand, he shall pay the sums so deducted to the schoolmaster. It appearS to me, therefore, continued Mr. rvl`Neile, a strong argument in favour of the provisions of this bill. that they are not theoretic experiments originating in the present measure, but progressive improvements upon the existing system, suggested by practical men conversant with the details of the subject. And I hope the men as sembled here, and thousands besides in this great town, will lose no time in appending their names to this petition, and, thereby performing their constitutional duty in strengthen ing, as far as they can, the hands of her Majesty's govern ment in this great measure, so that in the committee of the House of Commons upon the bill, they may maintain unimpaired the scriptural character, and Church of England management of the proposed district schools. Opposition must of course be counted upon, but painful as contention is, and must always be, to the Christian, I hope we shall ever be found willing to " contend earnestly" rather than compromise Vie great principles of scriptural education. (Cheers.) And let us, sir, always bear. in practical remembrance, that in a revolted world like this, the Bible itself, containing the will and law of the great Sovereign, must always be a cause of contention among his rebellions subjects. (Hear.) They can bear any thing with more patience than to have his authoaity forced upon their reluctant minds. The imagina tions, commandments, and traditions of men, in their vari ous and innumerable forms of falsehood, can all amalgamate with convenient pliancy, for the attainment of secular ad vantages or the gratification of envious and jealous antipa thies. A wonderful illustration of this is at hand. At a meeting where Mr. Blackburn was in the chair, and where there were Mr. Bevan, Mr. Martineau, Dr. Youens, Mr. Kelly, and Mr. Thom, a certain Mr. Rowland spoke. (Hear.) And Rowland said—(laughter)—" He felt they were united in all that was fundamental and all that was important—that they were now assembled upon the same platform, within the common bosom of Christianity." They were all agreed in fundamentals!! (Hear, hear.) And what were the funda mentals? (Hear, hear.) Is the Trinity fundamental? Mr. Martineau denies it ! (Cheers.) Is the incarnation funda mental ? Mr. Martineau again denies it ! (Loud cheers.) Is the atonement fundamental ? Again Mr. Martineau denies it ! (Hear, hear, and cheers.) Is infant baptism fundamental? Mr. Giles denies it! (Laughter.) Is infant baptism to be opposed? Here is Mr. Bevan who adopts it ! Is the one mediator between God and man fundamental? Here is Dr. Youens with a thousand—(hear)—screening him self behind the anti-Scriptural figment of a difference between the one mediator of redemption, and the many mediators of intercession ! Yet, they are all agreed to fundamentals ! (Cheers.) I will tell you what the real fundamental point is upon which they are agreed—opposition to the Established Church of England ! (Cheers.) I said that all these forms of falsehoood could amalgamate with convenient pliancy; but truth, divine truth, has a chemical test which separates and precipitates all the dregs of falsehood. All the images of the false gods of the Amorites might have been brought into the house of Dagon, and all stood quietly together; but when the Ark of the God of Israel was introduced, the idol of the Philistines tottered and fell, and was broken. (Cheers.) And so it is now. The philosophy, falsely so called, of the Socinian, the Mass Book of the Ro manist, the revived Breviary of the Tractarian, the Jewish Talmud, the Mahometan Koran, the llindoo Shasters, the classic Pantheon, all these May be cast by the witchery of Liberalism into one cauldron : Blear spirits and white, Red spirits and grey, Mingle, mingle, mingle, Ye that mingle may !" (Tremendous cheer%) But attempt to add th e Bibl e , in the vulgar tongue,tolthh'e s beterogenous mixture, an d y o u will raise a b s e t ß rm ible which , and the de witch cannot allay. All t h ese are against Bible is against a ll th ese . Th e an3pttto mix them must produce contentioa,— _ " Till the burley burley's done, Till the battle's lost and won !" The rev. gentlemen then resumed his neat amidst applause which almost rent the building. liti,i4+,, , te,4 p'idoi!rt i SfIPF 1-'ft• 041 :Ad r. i•iii-111PV, I,'Vg/volOi4.44t•Crt)i ph., that. OiP W!)uitiyang fii4l . l4ly " tp ties On the [notion of Mr. SHAND, Seconded by Mr. J. B. LLOYD, it was resolved that the petition should be sent for presentation to the House of Commons to the borough members. 14. TATTERSALL then moved, and Mr. WILKINSON, churchwarden (elect), secondcd, a vote of thanks to the chairman, which was carried by acclamation, and the pro ceedings terminated about tine.. o'clock. THE DOCK COMMITTEE The usual meeting of the Dock Committee took place yes terday. There were present—Messrs. Horsfall, Barclay, Evans, Holmes, Holt, Nicol, Smith, Aikin, Shand, Mid dleton, Bulky, and Bold. The CHAIRMAN called the attention of the members to the result of an experiment in the application of sheet-iron under a wooden floor, with a view to ascertain its effects in preventing or retarding the spread of fire to the timber,—and requested the Secretary to read Mr. Whitty's (Head-consta ble) report on the subject, of which the following are the principal points _ . Mr. Whitty, at the request of Mr. Hartley, superintended the improvement, which was made on Tuesday last. A building had been constructed for the purpose at the " Old Dock Yard." It was 18 feet square, and 10 feet high, covered with a strong wooden floor; and about an inch from the joist was placed very thin and not very good sheet-iron rivetted together, enteuding the full extent of the ceiling, so as to ex clude the flames from the woodwork. The interior of the building was filled with 30 empty tar barrels, two large bun dles of oakum, half-a-barrel of pitch, two cart lo a d s o f b ro k en timber (very 'dry), one cart load of chips and shavings, and two gallons of dirty fish oil sprinkled over the other articles. There was a thorough draft through the building, and when the materials were ignited the combustion was most rapid, the whole interior becoming in ten minutes like a furnace. The building being new, it gave off much steam, and cracked in several places. Through the fissures smoke and vapour issued, but no flame until after a lapse of 40 minutes. It then appeared round the interstices of the flooring, &c., and in forty-five minutes the fire was extinguished and the flooring raised. The joints and boards were found to be greatly charred, and on exposure to the air quickly ignited. The sheet-iron was old, and by no means air-tight, as it ought to have been ; but still the experiment was important, as showing :—First, that a building so constructed cannot be considered perfectly fireproof; and, secondly, that, though not fireproof, it still offers such impediments to the progress of fire as closely to approximate to it. "To prevent the extension of fire for forty minutes (says Mr. Whitty) amounts almost to a perfect impediment, and points out a very easy way by which exist ing warehouses could, at a trifling expense, be rendered infi nitely more secure against tire that they are at present." He also states that Mr. Hartley may possibly, after this experi ment, be able to suggest further improvements. Mr. Whitty also reports on another experiment, which he witnessed, to test the security of brick arches—models of those intended for the floors of the new dock warehouses. On the respec tive merits of the two plans with reference to fires, he says— " Supposing a fire in a warehouse protected by sheet iron, I would approach it with apprehension ; but to a fire in a ware house constructed with brick arches, &c., I would go, not only with perfect confidence that it could not extend, but that it would be extinguished in a few minutes." The report of Mr. John Stewart arid Mr. Samuel Ilolme, on the model arches for the warehouse floors, which have been erected at the dock yard, was then read. These gentle men express an opinion that " floors so constructed would be as fireproof as it is possible to have floors in lofty ware houses, and are perfectly sufficient to carry a proper stowage of merchandise. The concrete flooring on the top of the arches appears to be very sound and good, and is a very de sirable floor for a brick arch." They, however, recommend that it should be ascertained whether narrow-wheeled trucks for moving heavy weights would not injure such a floor; and " still retain their opinion that the floor, distinguished as No. 1 in their former report, is, so far as refers to the general strenth and completness of the warehouses, the best ; and that the only advantage which the arched floor possesses is that it is more fireproof." They state in conclusion that they understand that a successful experiment has been made with sheet-iron, and that its use in the mode which they originally recommended would tend in a great degree to limit the spread of fire with a floor constructed according to No. 1, and pro tected by sheet-iron. The CHAIRMAN stated that it was desirable that members of the committee who had not seen the model-brick arches should inspect them. Mr. HARTLEY said they could be seen any day between 10 and 1 o'clock. Several members expressed their intention to visit the dock-yard this day for that purpose. A Report from the Marine Surveyor was then read, sug gesting an application to the Trinity Board for the laying down an additional buoy and a beacon for the better guid ance and protection of vessels in the south channel into the harbour—to be placed at points where chiefly for want of them no fewer than 20 vessels have been lost within the last seven years. This was agreed to. The Crt AIRMAN stated that the owners of two vessels had expressed a wish to have the use of the transit sheds—west side of the Prince's Dock. This was concurred in, and orders were given to prepare them with partitions of trellis-work, requisite to separate the weighed from the unweighed goods. Matters of finance were then entered upon, and the re porters withdrew. THEATRE-ROYAL. LAST NIGHT OF THE OPERA OF " MARINETTE." We perceive that this evening the composer and author of the new opera of Marinette take their benefit. As this will be the only opportunity our readers will have of witnessing this production of their townsmen, we hope it will not have to be said that the cold shoulder has been shown to those who have exhibited a laudable pride in wishing the result of their labours to be seen for the first time in their" ain tour." Very great promises of support have been held out, which will not, it is hoped, be _ _ " kept to the ear, But broken to the hope." The opinions of our contemporaries have been given, in spite of some extra-critical flourishes, in its favour; and if a bumper house this evening rewards those concerned, any per sons in doubt on the subject as to its merits or demerits will have the " living fact before them" ; and the public voice will show whether, in better times, the authors will be jus tified in trying once more to aff o rd amusement to the public. The composer and poet's place is recognised in all festive circles;—we own their influence in the quiet evenings at home—in the brilliant concert hall—at the social board—in all cheerful societies—in hut, in hall—in drawing-room or in humble cottage-parlour ;—the sailor sings at the capstan, and the lover seeks to win his mistress by his serenades ; the soldier is inspired with " deeds of arms " by ;the 'soul rousing march, while the husbandman indulges in " native strains that melt us as we sing them" ;—the schoolboy " whistles to keep his courage up" ;—the maiden warbles at her wheel, or while plying the busy needle ;—the peeress— nay, all classes, to the Sovereign herself—own the power and sway of music and song : and surely the rich rewards which every foreigner in this country can command ought not to be withheld from those who are " native here." We add the following ballad as a specimen of the author's style of versification. It is sung by Mr. Shrivall with taste, feeling, and pathos : BALLAD (From the new Opera of " Marinette.") When the clouds of misfortune shall shadow us o'er, And life's golden sunshine shall cheer us no more ; When the gloom of despair seems our fate to invest, And sorrow impending brings friends to the test: Then we find that dear woman still icy will confer, She'll smilingly meet us, no change is in her. May her gentle dominion o'er man never cease, And may Heaven watch over her pathway of peace! Would we see lovely woman in colours of truth, 'Tis not where she mingles, in pride of her youth, Where garlands of flow'rs with lamps we festoon, When night time is made like the brightness of noon! Not amid mirth and music she'll seem the most fair, But where kindness is needed, go seek for her there. Oh, may her dominion o'er man never cease, And may Heaven watch over her pathway of peace! CHESTER RACES.-TUESDAY. PRODUCE SWEEPSAKES, of 50 sovs each, b ft, for three year olds, colts Bst 41b, fillies Bst. Two miles. 8 subs. Mr Mostyn's eh c General Pollock, by Velocipede ...... 1 Sir R Bulkely's bc by Jereed—Jemima . Lord Westminster's cli f by Pantaloon 3 THE TRADESMEN'S PLATE, of 200 sovs in specie, added to a Handicap Sweepstakes of 25 sous each. 68 subs. Mr \Vormald's ch h Millipede, 5 yrs, 7st 3lb Lord Eglinton's br h Jamie Forest, 6 yrs, 7st 21b......... 2 Sir C Monk's b c Galanthus, 4 yrs, 7st 71b.... Sixteen others started, but were not placed ; fourteen paid the large, and thirty-five the small forfeit. A. SWEEPSTAKES, of 5 soya each, with 50 added. Two mile heats. 7 subs. Mr J Scott's ch c Prizefighter, by Gladiator, 3 yrs. Mr T Dawson's br c A Robber, 3 yrs. .... Mr Fowler's b g The Duke, 4 yrs . ... Thres others started, but were not placed 1 1 0 2 2 0 WEDNESDAY.—TIIEDEE STAND STAKES, Of 10 SOVB each, with 50 added. 4 subs. Mr Cook's ch c What, by Jereed, 3 yrs walked over A SWEEPSTAKES, of 25 soya each, for two year olds. 11 subs. Marquis of Westminster's b f Sister to Auckland.. Mr Denham's b f Fair Charlotte Mr Flintoff's ch f by Dr Faustus Seven others started, but were not placed THE DEE STAKES, of 50 sovs each, li ft, witt;2oo sovs added, for three year olds. Grosvenor Course. IG subs Mr Mosrva's ch c General Pollock . Mr F It Price's ch c Colin Clink Sir Anstrupus, Decoy f, and Hooton not placed. SIXTY GUINEAS, the gift of the Members for the City Heats, once round and a distance. Mr Flintoff's hr f The Rhine, 3 yrs Mr D Cooke's ch c What, 3 yrs Four others - also started THURSDAY —HER MAJESTY'S PLATE, • Of 100 guineas Thrice round, rather more than •three Mr D Cooke's ch c What, 3 yrs Marquis of Westminster's b g Martyr, 4 yrs.... MARQUIS OF WESTMINSTER'S PLATE, Of 100 SOVS in specie, added to a Handicap Sweepstakes of 20 soya each. h ft. 17 subs. Sir C Monk's b c Galanthus, 4 yrs, Bst Mr F It Price's br f Marion, 4 yrs, 7st 71b 2 METROPOLITAN PROTESTANT ASSOC I ATION.-Dr. Croly will preach the anniversary sermon of this society, on the 10th of May, in the Episcopal Chapel, Gray's inn-road, London. A new steam-carriage has been invented by a young man at Reading, which is said to have overcome the obstacle which hitherto prevented these machines from being used on the roads. The average rate of the speed is fourteen miles per hour. It goes on three wheels, something like a Bath chair. AN EXCISEMAN FRIGHTENED.—A few days ago, the in mates of one of the inns in the village of Beauly were sud denly alarmed by an unaccountable noise, which took place in one of the apartments of the house in which an excise man had been laid up, and was under medical t rea l men t, f or a few days. With all convenient speed, the host of the house, &c., betook themselves to the scene of action, where, to their astonishment, they say, the invalid in gre a t trepi dation, paesenting a pair of pistols, m i nus shot, at a terri ble looking object which stood between h is bed and the fire side, and which to him appeared supernatural.. Upon fur ther investigation into the cause of such an unusual scene, it turned out to be, that a harmless maniac, well knoWn in the neighbourhood under the cognomen of " F oo li sh Kate, " had quietly stepped up sta i rs, and havi ng f ound the door of the room open, slipped in to warm her li m b s at a comfort able fire which she noticed in it. This an haPPy mortal w as , nine or ten Bears ago, a blooming and h an d some maid • but having trespassed a little on the excise law s , s h e was incar cerated' in Inverness gaol, since which time reason h as l eft her empire, never to return.—Ross-ah i re Advertiser. President Joe Smith, of Nauvoo city, marries the girls and fellows—preaches—sells tape and molasses candy—writes verses for the " Times and Seasons, and makes laws for the Moruicum—Boeton Evening Bulletin. M.4011104;14 4411M1 Or.irtiTi TOWN li'ONAll The council held an adjourned ; and also (for cortain mat, tern) a special meeting, within the Town-hall, on Wednesday last, at eleven o'clock ; the MAYOR presiding. CONGRATULATORY ADDRESS TO THE QUEEN AND PRINek ALBZitT Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE hoped he might be allowed to go out of the order appointed for the business of the day, for the purpose of moving that a dutiful and loyal address be pre sented to her most gracious Majesty the Queen, on the oc casion of the birth of a Princess of the House of Brunswick. He was sure they must all rejoice at that most auspicious event ; and pray that those virtues which graced and adorned her Majesty, and endeared her to the country, would be cha racteristic of the life of the illustrious Princess just born. (Hear, hear.) tinder the influence of these feelings, he begged to propose that a committee be appointed to prepare an address to her Majesty, and that the same be transmitted for presentation to the Secretary of State for the Home Department, Sir James Graham. _ _ _ Sir THOMAS BRANCKER seconded the motion, and it was agreed to unanimously; after which, an address having been prepared by the committee, was agreed to by the council. ADDRESS OF CeiNDOLENCE. Mr. Alderman TURNER asked whether it was not cus tomary to present an address, also, of condolence upon the death of an uncle of the reigning sovereign? If it were cus- tomary, he thought that such a mark of respect was especially called for on the occasion of the death of the Duke of Sussex, considering the peculiar situation in which his royal highness bad stood towards her Majesty. It was the Duke of Sussex who bad stood in loco parentis, almost, towards her from the cradle to the throne; it was the Duke of Sussex who first presented her to the assembled nobles of the land in the Council Chamber ; it was the Duke of Sussex who presented her hand in marriage to the gallant and illustrious Prince now her husband, and who had proved himself so worthy of his high position. (Hear, hear.) Under these circum sumstances he (Mr. Alderman Turner) moved that an ad dress of condolence be also presented to her Majesty on the death of her illustrious uncle. Mr. Alderman EARLE was very glad that his friend (Mr. Alderman Turner) had brought it forward, and in the gentle manly manner which always characterized him. He (Mr. Earle) thought it very extraordinary that an address of con gratulation should first have been proposed, although he did not then venture to make any observations upon the subject; but, he continued, I am glad it has come from a good con servative and not from a radical like myself (laughter and cries of order)—because it would have been supposed I had done so in consequence of the politics of the Duke of Sussex. Mr. G. H. LAwa.Exc (and others).—No, ❑o. Mr. Alderman EARLS.-I beg your pardon :it was most marked. The MAYou said he really must beg Mr. Earle not to im pute motives to any one.—(Hear, hear.) They really must give up the practise of looking at individuals, and take the matters which were before them; they must not take the con duct of individuals for the subject of discussion. He (the Mayor) hoped they were all assembled in order to do what was right, not to talk about the political ideas of any particu lar members of the council. Let them look only at the mat ters which came properly before them. Mr. Alderman EARLE begged to offer his apologies for any omission, but he thought lie had done so. The MA YORWaS sure that the council would never discharge its duty in the way it ought to be discharged, until the mem bers looked only at the matters legitimately before them, and forgot all political animosity. (Hear, bear.) Mr. SAMUEL HOLM E, cordially agreeing with every senti ment expressed by Mr. Alderman Turner respecting the Duke of Sussex, and also with the Mayor, that one word of politics should never be permitted to darken that room, and feeling the opinion expressed by Mr. Earle to be an unjust one, had great pleasure iu seconding the address. (Hear.) Mr. HODGSON thought the council were now rather called upon to express a decided feeling in favour of the Duke of Sussex. In the first instance, it really had not occurred to any gentleman, at the moment, to propose a vote of condo lence; if it had, he (Mr. Hodgson) should have been glad to have moved it himself. He should say, De mortuis nil nisi bonum. (Hear, hear.) Whatever his politics might be, the amiable life of the Duke of Sussex claimed honour and respect ; and he (Mr. Hodgson) thought it was ill-judged and ill-timed to attempt to separate the omission into a party question until it had been ascertained whetber there was an intention, or anything to afford them for believing there was such an in tention, of withholding the expression of condolence. (Hear, hear.) This was a matter of family affliction, and not of any political question whatever. (Hear.) And though he did not say they should not have political questions agitated there—probably there would be some that day—for they could not help themselves, yet he did say that the occasion to manifest it, to-day, had been unhappily chosen at the commencement of the council. He (Mr. Hodgson) cordially concurred in what had fallen from Mr. Turner with regard to the address of condolence, which, he supposed, was the usual course pursued when any of the royal family died. Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE said he had not at all forgotten this subject ; he was anxious to pay proper respect to her Ma jesty ; hut he had been in some degree guided by precedent, for he remembered that when the Duke of Gloucester died, no - notice of the event was taken by the council. Mr. BiuKarr supported the address, observing that for a considerable period the late royal Duke had devoted a part of his income to charitable purposes. . . The address was afterwards read and adopted. At the request of the MAYOR it was then agreed that the address of condolence should stand first on the proceedings, and that of congratulation second. PRIVILEGE. Mr. JAMES LAWRENCE, after reading and pointing out some inaccuracies in a statement which had appeared in a leading article in the Albion concerning him, said he wished to explain what had fallen from him at the last council. The MAYOR said Mr. Lawrence bad used the word " jus tification " at the . last meeting, or he would have been al lowed to explain. Mr. JAMES LAWRENCE thought he had then said he wished to explain. With reference to the officers, he was willing to admit that Dutton had an excellent character on the books of the committee; the reason for his (Mr. Law rence's) observation was, that he, had made a statement be fore the committee, which he a few minutes afterwards de nied having made. After a few observations from Mr. BIRKETT and Mr THORNHILL, the subject dropped: SALE OF THE HOUSES IN BANOVEIt.-STREET Mr. EARLE brought forward the following motion, of which he had given notice :—•' That it is not expedient to dispose of the houses in Hanover-street, which were with drawn from the public sale of the 15th instant, as the pos session of them by the Corporation appears to afford a fa vourable opportunity for abating certain nuisances in that part of the town, for the general remedy of which clauses have been introduced into two acts of Parliament recently obtained." Mr. Earle entered into a very minute statement of the several nuisances complained of. The motion was supported by Mr. Bramley Moore, Mr. Samuel Holme, and Mr. Platt, and opposed by Mr. Hodg son, Mr. G. H. Lawrence, Sir T. Brancker, and others. Mr. Earle ultimately withdrew the motion. LOAN OF PICTURES TO THE COLLEGIATE INSTITUTION Mr. BUSHELL moved Pursuant to notice , " For the loan of the pictures in the Town-hall to the Directors of the Col legiate Institution during the period of the approaching mid summer vacation, with a view to their forming part of a poly technic exhibition." The Directors of the Collegiate In stitution were desirous to have the loan of these pictures as a sort of nucleus of their intended exhibition at midsummer. Twahse only piet tureisioisne in the ctohuencdilracwhiaamgberroowmer, and, also Hiltonse not asked for : it picture of the Crucifixion. It had been suggested that the splendid statue of Canning should be included in the motion, but he had not done so because the Corporation had no con troul whatever over it, not being their property, it having been placed in the Town-hall by the subscribers. There was a precedent for the motion when the use of the pictures was granted to the Directors of the Mechanics' Institution, and he did not anticipate any objection to the present ap plication. Mr. ASPINALL seconded the motion, adding that the Di rectors of the Collegiate Institution would be answerable for any expense and damage. Mr. Alderman EVANS.—What are the pictures you want? Mr. Busitsm..—The pictures of the Crucifixion, and those by Shee, Lawrence, and others, of the Royal Family. Mr. ALDERMAN EVANS.—Have you not included Sir Thomas? _ _ Mr. S. HOLME.—No ; we have the original. (Laughter.) It was then agreed that the pictures should be lent upon the usual terms. THE FIRE BILL The Council then resolved itself into a committee for the consideration of the Fire Bill. The DEPUTY TOWN.CLERK read the proceedings of the committee since the adjournment. At a meeting held on the 24th inst. at which Mr. Rowlands, architect, was present on behalf of the parties who deemed their interest affected by the bill, it was resolved that the following modifications in the bill be proposed to the council : No cellar used for the deposit of goods shall make the building above liable to the regulations if the cellar be made to comply with the regulations affecting it, and be arched with brick, or the ceiling lined with sheet iron, zinc, or other approved material. [This modification would exempt chapels over cellars used for goods.] The door-frames or jambs, door-sills and beads, window frames and pent-houses, and also catheads (except the sheaves, which must be of hardwood), may be of wrought or cast iron, at the option of the party ; or, as to existing ware houses, may, with the exception of the pent-houses and cat heads, at the party's option, be lined with sheet iron, zinc, or other approved material. But doors and window-shutters must be of wrought iron, or, in existing warehouses, be, at the Option of the party, lined as above mentioned. Teagle blocks, not being used in warehouses, to be struck out of the bill. The doors and door-frames or jambs, door-sills and heads, and window-shutters and frames of a room in a warehouse, not used as a warehouse-room or as a forwarding room, shall be exempt from the regulations : provided that in new warehouses no room immediately under any room used as a warehouse room shall be exempted, unless the same shall be arched, or the ceiling arched with sheet iron, &c. [This would exempt offices, counting-houses, sale-rooms, news-rooms, &c.] Palm oil to be excepted from the list of dangerous goods. The dangerous goods specified in the list to be allowed to be disposed of in existing warehouses, having doors, &c., lined with sheet iron. The boiling of oil, blubber, or tar, and the manufacturing of vegetable or mineral naptha, or varnish, to be inserted in the list of dangerous trades, with the exception, as to any building detached by 75 feet from any other building. At a meeting on the 25th instant, it was further resolved that the following exemptions be proposed to the council : Of buildings and rooms in which retail trades only shall be carried on, such trades not being in the list of dangerous trades ; of warehouses or rooms attached to or forming part of buildings entirely in the same occupation, and used only for retail trades not in the list of dangerous trades for the purposes of which retail trades only, goods shall be deposited in such warehouses or warehouse-rooms ; of buildings de tached from any other buildings not in the same occupation, and in which manufactories only shall be c arr i e d on , such n gs of committee. manufactories not being in the list of dangerous trades; of warehouses or rooms attached to or forming p ar t of entirelybuild s i n any h i lt o t t be e r occupation, same occupation, and d e t ac h e d f rom buildings and whi c h s h a ll b e use d bythe Mr. Nico l ., move d the only for manufactories not in the list of dang erous t ra d es , for the purposes of which ma nufact ories only, good s s h a ll b e deposited in such warehouse or roo ms. Sir Mr. PARKER opposed the bill. lie th oug h t the measure was unjust to the ratepayers, because it wa s a mere question insured. Mr. the insurers and t he Mr. THORNHILL said it was h is intention to oppose the confirmation r fi n r ° m m a i ti s o r j r 3 o g f A the c g proceedings eed sec onded i additional halfpenny in the pound, proposed to be added to the Fire-police rate. Some allusion having been made to the Water Bill, Mr. ASPINALL said A deratuni tha t . a constant an d abundant supply of water was the great ..es , This had been experi enced in numerous cases iu this town. At the fire on Satur day night last, at Messrs. Robinson and Co.'s premises, it fortunately happened that there was a tank of water on the premises, or the whole stack of warehouses would have been destroyed. With prompt supplies of water, none of the recent great fires in this town would have attained any meg uitude. r. HoLme answered at some length the arguments urged egain*t the bill. i,PV; iiioVs4k *4144 4 1 00114Rifiii,?141 i§ ll# l 4 sViejik impprtie f t iptg(4itii; Pialit.;lo4 ;4 tl'iP triP ml4l 44144 i;,; thigh ;GI pt - ovizionr, wfulu iccn. - .40 44 4 01 . t.:;a 11444 i a propLaly the town, mid big() (30[M:bring tlio sliGet time the hill had been btfore the itihabitants, it should he withdrawn for the present session, but that the council was of opinion that at present the town is not sufficiently supplied with water. .\lr. KILSHAW Seconded the amendment. _ _ Mr. Bit ANt LEY MoonE opposed the bill as distressing and arbitrary, and urged the necessity of delay, in order that the town might have an opportunity of judging of it. Mr. G. Fl. LAWRENCE expressed similar opinions, but was afraid the Paving-board would also withdraw their bill. Mr. J. HoLatEs said there was no such intention. The Water Bill would proceed under any circumstances. Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE proceeded to say that the fault was in the bad regulations of the present warehouses, and the re medy would be in building warehouses round the docks, which were the proper places for them, and the only places of safety. Mr. EARLE said the great requirement was water. The bill imposed great hardships and offered no commensurate good. The regulations were not the cause of the evil, for all the (treat fires had originated not in the warehouses but in the buildings adjoining. A conversation ensued on the subject of the effect of giving up the Fire Bill for the present. It was again stated that the Water 13111 would be persevered in, and that it had been read a second time and would go into committee on the 11th May. It was intended to use fresh water, though power would be given to use any water, salt or fresh. The Town-clerk ex plained, that if the Fire Bill were postponed, it would be necessary for the council to give their assent to the water clauses. But if the bill provided that the council should pay £5OO a-year for the water, it was necessary to have a pro vision to enable them to lay a rate of a halfpenny in the pound to meet that payment. It was stated by several members of the 'Watch Committee, that the present rate of a halfpenny in the pound would be more than sufficient, as they had a surplus sif £2500 in hand over their expenditure. Mr. Lloyd's amendment was pat, when there appeared— For the amendment.. Against it ... Majority . The following is the division For the amendtnent.—Councillors : Isaac Holmes, Thorn hill, Copeland, Thompson, North, H. Holmes, Hornby, J. Holmes, Aspinall, J. Lawrence, Wood, Procter, Lloyd, Kil shaw, Parker, Brassey, Plumpton, Lace, Platt, Sheppard, Harbord ; Aldermen : Houghton, Earle, Freme, Crook, Bramley-Moore, Evans.-27. Agaitut it.—Councillors : Shand, Hodgson, Aikin, S. Holme, Birkett, G. H. Lawrence, Trotman, Smith; Alder men : Bulley, Brancker, Turner, Holt, Nicol, Molyneux, Moon, and the Mayor.-16. The council proceeded to the consideration of the clauses of the Water Bill, and Mr. BIRKETT, seconded by Mr. EARLE, moved that the clauses be adopted.—Carried. BREWERS AND SPIRIT DEALERS ON THE WATCH COMMITTEE Mr. EARLE was about to bring forward his motion on this subject, when, being past three o'clock, Mr. G. 11. LAWRENCE suggested that it should be post poned, urging that at that late hour it would be impossible to do jultice to the subject. Mr. Alderman EARLE said he had been called on by the Mayor, and he regarded this interruption as an unworthy attempt to stifle what he (Mr. Earle) was determined should go abroad. Mr. G. 11. LAWRENCE.—Then you should have a special council for the purpose. Mr. Alderman EartLE.—l disapprove highly of what the Chairman of the Finance Committee says : the Chairman of the Finance Committee is " I, I, I," upon every occasion ; and it is really setting every body else in this council practi cally at nought. I must protest against this sort of thing— Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE.-1 do not know that I have said " I, I, 1 ;" but go on, if you like. Mr. Alderman EARLE then said, it was upon public grounds alone that he had put this motion upon the paper, for he had had no personal feeling whatever upon the subject. (Hear, hear.) . Mr. Hodgson might sneer, but he (Mr. Earle) would give the council his honour that it was so. (Hear.) The MNYon thought that Mr. Alderman Earle's assurance should be received. Mr. Alderman E'Astr.E.—And very• likely, with the excep tion of Mr. Hodgson, it would be. Mr. HoousoN. 7 -We shall hear that by and bye. _ Mr. Alderman EARLE.—I have no wish to hear any thing from you. (Order, order.) He must now request the Deputy Town. clerk to read certain acts of parliament of which he had a list. The DEPUTY TOWN-CLERK then read them. Mr. Alderman EARLE then said he had desired these acts of Parliament to be read, in order to :thew, as they had all seen the notice he had put on the paper, bow jealous the le gislature was of persons acting as justices in matters where their private interests were likely to interfere with their pub lic duty. It was quite impossible that any man could stand altogether independent of private feeling ; he accused no man with doing wrong, but he contended they ought not to be placed in such a position. He dared say that he (Mr. Earle) should act as any other gentleman would under similar cir cumstances ; and therefore he thought it an act of propriety on the part of the Council not to place gentlemen so situated upon the Watch Committee, and of delicacy on their part not to seek for those situations. At the last Council he made some remarks about Mr. James Lawrence, which, he dared say, were incorrect, and that he had no tenants in public houses; but it was very well known to the magistrates that gentlemen in that business (and he wished he was doily , such a good business himself,) were the owners of public-houses. At least they were in the habit of giving notice that they did not object to the transfer of licenses. Mr. James Lawrence's name was often brought forward in this way, and other gen tlemen on the committee came before the magistrates very often, in like manner, for allowing a man to remove his li cense from one house to another ; and unless they were the owners and proprietors of the houses the magistrates could not receive it. That, then, shewed the proprietorship. It was very clear, therefore, that the police, seeing there were so many of these gentlemen upon the watch committee, and their masters, would be biassed thereby ; of course, there fore if publicans were brought up to be fined, who were their tenants, it must interfere with the proper discharge of their duties, although they, no doubt had every disposition to do so. It was not likely,—we could not expect it, that the cir cumstances would have no influence upon them. Mr. PARKER hoped the worthy alderman would confine himself to facts, not to suppositions. The MAYOR called Mr. Parker to order, observing that he would stop Mr. Earle if he went wrong. Mr. Alderman EARLE said he was only arguing according to the law of the country. There was surely no suppositions there. He did not know what Mr. Parker meant. The MAYOR said that Mr. Parker would have an oppor tunity, if he chose, of expressing his sentiments. Mr. Alderman EARLI, in conclusion, said that with these observations he should move the following resolutions : " That in the opinion of this Council, it is their imperative duty to do all in their power to enforce the salutary law pro hibiting the sale of ale or spirits on Sundays before the hour of one in the afternoon ; and that, in accordance with the spirit of sec. 6, 9th Geo. IV. cap. 61, quoted below, no brewer, spirit dealer, or other person selling wine, beer, or spirits to publicans, should sit on the Watch Committee when any case affecting publicans and beer-sellers, or informations against them, or the conduct or employment of any officer on any case respecting a publican or beer-seller, shall be un der discussion." " That no Justice, who shall be a common brewer, distiller, maker of malt for sale, or retailer of malt or of any exciseable liquor, or who shall be concerned in partnership with any common brewer, distiller, maker of malt for sale, or retailer of malt, or any exciseable liquor, shall act in or be present at any general annual licensing meeting, or at any special session for granting or transferring licenses under this act, or shall take part in the discussion or adjudication of the Justices upon any application for a license, or upon any appeal there from ; and no Justice shall act upon any of the aforesaid oc casions in the case of any house licensed or about to be licensed under this act, of which such Justice shall be owner, or for the owner of which he shall be manager or agent, or of any house being in whole or in part the property of any common brewer, distiller, maker of malt for sale, or retailer of malt or of any exciseable liquor, to whom such Justice shall be, either by blood or by marriage, the father, son, or brother, or of whom such Justice shall be the partner in any other trade or calling ; and that every Justice who, being hereby disqualified, shall knowingly or wilfully so offend, shall, for every such offence, forfeit and pay the sum of one hundred pounds." Mr. Alderman FAEME begged to second the motion : in doing so he would observe that this was one of those pain ful duties which a man was sometimes called upon to per form ; and it was the more painful to him because it would have something like the appearance of personality. He as sured the council, however, that he did not second this mo tion upon personal grounds, or from any objection to any individual member of the Watch Committee, but because the system was founded upon an unsound principle. He did not second the motion because the gentlemen affected by it were opposed to him in politics, but because this was no new thing with him, for it was a question be had mentioned years ago when the party to which he was attached were in the majority. He then proposed, at a private meeting, exactly the same thing, and it was unanimously carried. There were then only a section of gentlemen in that parti cular trade in the council, and he thought then, and it had always struck him, as being a dangerous principle in as much as it brought men too much in contact with their own interests. The Watch Committee was not to judge between the publicans and the police only, but it was the judge to see that the in terests of the public were duly regarded, and the law should be administered by them, not only with reference to the pub licans, but with reference to the public also. Now, he had always thought that there was too much sympathy in that particular committee, between the brewer and his customer, that it was putting them in an unpleasant position, or, at all events, laying them open to suspicion. This was not a ques tion of party polities ; but it was a question in which the real interests of the public were concerned. The 'Watch Com mittee should have the perfect confidence of the public, and be destitute of anything like suspicion, which was certainly unpleasant to them, but arose from the nature of their trade, and from their strong connection, nay, their identity almost, with their customers. But the great feeling which he (Mr. Alderman Freme) had, was this—he did not think it fair that those publicans who were not the customers of brewers upon the committee should be put upon a worse footing than others who were : these latter might say, " Oh, I have a friend at court who will protect me from the consequences of every thing, which another man can not do." A little thing in this way once occurred to himself. A gentleman said to him he was much annoyed to find, on speaking to the police. man to interfere; he said, " I dare not speak to the publi can, because he belongs to so-and• so, who is on the Watch Committee." (Great cries of " Name, name.") Mr. JAMES LAWRENCE called upon Mr. Freme to name. Mr. Freme was a member of the committee when it had something to do with informations; and he called upon him to name the case in which this matter occurred. It was most unjust that statements of this kind should be made without the shadow of proof. (Hear, hear.) The NI AYOR. said it was competent for Mr. Freme to make statements, and he (the Mayor) did not see that, in this instance, it was necessary for him to give names, inasmuch as he was merely advocating a principle, and he had given an assurance that he did not mean any member of the present committee. Mr. COOPER.—I think, as Mr. Freme made a direct charge, he ought to give the names. (Hear, hear, and " order.") Mr. Alderman FREME.—But I do not know who the gen tleman was. (Hear, hear.) The MAYOR.—He merely stated that such things had oc curred, without giving names. Mr.PARICER.—Mr. Mayor, I now think you have allowed suppositions, instead of facts. (Order.) The MAYOR.—Names have not been mentioned. Mr. Alderman FItEME, in continuation, said he had stated he did not know within his own knowledge that the fact had occurred, and that a gentleman had only told him so. He wished, however, clearly to prove that this motion was not seconded because the gentlemen concerned differed from him in polities, but upon the ground that they were liable to great suspicion in the discharge of their duties. When he was upon the Watch Committee, the gentlemen in the trades referred to, so far as his own knowledge wen t, never did any thing unfair or improper; he had never seen anything of that sort in them, not the least; but as a general principle he did think, especially as there were other c ommittees to wh i ch they were eligible, it was unwise to put them upon this par ticular one—namely, the Watch Committee. Mr. PARKER wished to give both the worthy aldermen who brought forward this motion every credit for their dis interestedness. Mr. Alderman Freme had said that the Watch Committee must become popularized — roade popular 114 4tf i it 3 4.11, 4t4,04, WMA4 C ,4 4 ,1 0W w al; Wo pi;l4ilv,l . wituiT; kw 0 r#4 0 “ 1 : , 421-4, t#6ol 4kt3 ii 44) thA Proiligti; irroailzir if he could ; point to any ona of those affeotad by this umtion who had not gone into it with the full confidence of a constituency. (Hear, hear.) None of them were aldermen who brought forward charges which were mere assertions instead of fiicts, and who said they might or might not be true, but they had heard them, and, though they did not believe them, thought it becoming to publicly mention them. (Hear, hear.) The fact was, these charges had been " trumped up ;" and, coming as they did from two magistrates, they made their appearance with very little grace. Said the worthy aldermen, " the Watch Committee we wish to stand upon good grounds with the public." Why, there was not a single member of it now concerned who would not, if it were necessary, wil lingly appear before his constituents to-morrow ; he would himself go to his constituents, and, if they brought one tingle charge against him, he would resign not only his seat in the Watch Committee but in the council and pay the fine, be cause the allegation of any member being unfit to sit on the Watch Committee what did it imply but that he was also un worthy to hold a seat in that council. (Cheers.) Let the worthy aldermen go to his (Mr. Parker's) constituents, call a meeting of them, and lie would resign if the majority said so ; but there were those who had not a constituency to appeal to, who had been rejected by the inhabitants, and who had been returned into that council, by the then dominant party, contrary to the wishes of the people. He was not quite certain whether the alderman for Exchange Ward (Mr Earle) was not himself in that position; at least, report said he was— The MATOR.—I think you are getting a little out now; I do not see what the council have to do with that. You are getting out of the line. Mr. PARKER.—Very well. lie then alluded, first of all, to the names of the seven gentlemen, beginning with Mr. Preston, affected by this proceeding. Every one of them had been personally attacked by the motion, and being himself one of them, he claimed the privilege of defending himself against the attack made upon him personally. The worthy Alderman for Exchange Ward had said, and it was rather a bold assertion to make, that it was impossible for any of them to act conscientiously The MArort.—l did not understand Mr. Earle to say so. Mr. Alderman EARLE.—I did not intend to say so. Mr. PARKER.---I took it down so. Mr. Alderman EARLE.—You took it down, and the Mayor is taking you up. (Laughter.) Mr. PAniccu—That is the impression upon my mind. The MAYOR—Perhaps Mr. Earle will mention what he did say. Mr. Alderman EARLE bad meant to say that the legisla tion had provided against this sort of thing, because their own interest might interfere with their conduct, and because a man could not always divest himself of the feelings of pri vate interest. The man did not fancy he was doing wrong, but look at the difficulty he was placed in when his private interest was concerned ; it was on account of this very ditfi culty that the legislature had prevented anything of the kind occurring. The MAYOR.—You make no charge of not acting con scientiously? Mr. Alderman EARLE.—Not at all. The MAroa.—Then it is quite satisfactory. Mr. PARKER resumed. The clauses which the Deputy Town-clerk had read referred only to justices of the peace; and they could not by any ingenuity be made to apply to members of the Watch Committee. Did lie (Mr. Parker) hold the same sentiments, he would not call them liberal though proceeding from liberals, for they were illiberal. As to the particular trade followed by members of the council being an objection to their forming a committee, he might assert that the five gentlemen forming the Fire Committee had no business to be there because they were interested in pro. perty. To carry out his ow❑ doctrine, Mr. Earle must, of course, assume that their private interest could sway their public opinion. lie (Mr. Parker) should be very sorry to say anything like that ; he should be sorry to suppose there was any gentleman in the council who would act from any other motives than those suggested by conscience and prin ciple. Those were the motives upon which he (Mr. Parker) had always acted, and on which he always would act ; but he hoped that out of this charge (for he could call it no less,) something definite would be attempted, some dereliction of duty without throwing a shield over it. (Hear.) The fact, however was, that the Watch Committee had no more to do with the charges preferred against publicans than the coun cil, for they never came before the committee in any shape. Besides, the offences referred to in the clauses just read, re- (erred to cases before justices where the parties were heard upon oath. The Watch Committee had nothing to do with oaths; and he appealed to Mr. Hornby to say whether any such cases had come before•the committee. The only case which had been before them, as far as he knew, was when Mrs. Dixon made a charge against the officers Cunningham and Dutton, and that would not have gone before the magistrates if it had not been for the vice-chairman. Mr. Whitty said, the characters of the three men were affected by it, and it had better not go before the magistrate, but the deputy chairman said, that as the character of the force was concerned, it should go before Mr. Rushton. It did go before the stipen diary magistrate, not that Mrs. Dixon was thought of as a publican, but because the committee were looking at the character of their men. If Mr. Hornby, a member of the committee, had brought forward this motion, or Mr. Hodg son, (the public would see that the committee was not alto gether a " refuge for the destitute," and that there were some respectable men upon it,) there might have been supposed to be some grounds for complaint; but what was the present motion founded upon? Absolutely nothing. If there were any charge which could be brought either against the com mittee or against himself (Mr. Parker), he should be happy to meet it; but he did think, that without some such inten tion existing, there had been a want of that courtesy and respect which was due from one member to another. He was not accusing the mover of the resolution of any thing else ; no doubt he had acted upon what he considered right principles, and he (Mr. Parker) gave him credit for that ; but at the same time, where individuals were attacked with out there being the slightest grounds for a railing accusation against them, there was not only a want of courtesy, but a want of good breeding and good manners. (Hear, hear.) Mr. ASPINALL was very sorry to have to rise on this occa sion ; but he really thought that when six or seven gentlemen upon one committee were assailed-- . . . . • _ The MAYOR suggested to Mr. Parker that he should with draw his charge of " a want of good breeding and good manners." Mr. Alderman EARLS.—Never mind it, Mr. Mayor; we will take our pattern from him hereafter. Mr. PARKER said that if, in the excitement - of debate on this subject, he had said anything which was considered of fensive, he would willingly withdraw it. Mr. AserN ALL was very sorry to take up the time of the council on this matter, as he was neither a member of the Watch Committee nor a justice of the peace; but he did not like Mr. Earle, who had been a member of the Watch Com mittee for five years, and sat with some of the gentlemen whose conduct he impugned nearly the whole of that time, (for he held the cards in his hands of the members during that period,) bringing the subject forward now for the first time, when he had never thought of mentioning it before. (Hear, hear.) And it was the more remarkable because Mr. Earle had himself been a member of the Watch Committee when Sir Joshua Walmsley was chairman. (Hear.) He (Mr. Aspinall) mentioned the name of Sir Joshua Walmaley because that gentleman was a justice of the peace, and be cause justices of the peace were particularly and exclusively referred to in the clauses of the several acts of parliament which had been read by the Deputy Town-clerk. Mr. Enoch Harvey, for whom he (Mr. Aspinall) had always entertained the highest respect, although a brewer, was also upon the committee at that time, and he was never objected to- Mr. Alderman FRIME.—Yes, yes. (Counter cries of " No, no.") Mr. ASPINALL.—Mr. Harvey was never once objected to in the council, whatever might have been said at the Angel. (Hear, hear.) , . The Nl.A.You.—You must not refer to what has been done at the Angel, Mr. Aspinall. That is not the question. (Hear, hear.) s Mr: ASPI N ALL.—I only referred to the Angel, because Mr. Freme was permitted to refer to it. (Hear, hear, and cries of" Order.") _ _ _ The MAYOR..—.I did not hear Mr. Freme say anything about it. Mr. ASPINALL.—I only repeat Mr. Freme's own words; and will sit down, Mr. Mayor, if you wish me. (Hear.) The MAYOR.—AII these things are not necessary at all; but proceed. Mr. ASPINALL had only to say that it was most incon sistent in Mr. Alderman Earle now to hold up to obloquy seven gentlemen of the Watch Committee, when, for a period of five years, he had himself been a member of that body without making any objection to the system. (Hear.) Mr. Alderman EAULE.—I beg your pardon. (Cries of " Order.") . Mr. ASPINALL declared it was neither fair nor consistent in Mr. Alderman Earle to adopt such a course. (Cheers.) Besides he (Mr. Aspinall) would appeal to the Town-clerk whether, in point of law, the council could now make a law which should be binding upon those who might come in next November, and require them to act upon it. (Hear, hear.) The gentlemen alluded to ought to have been objected to, on the ground of their trade, at the time when, or rather before. they were appointed ; and the council could neither make a retrospective law nor one by which the new council in November next should be guided. (Cheers.) Again, what had the members of the Watch Committee to do with the justices of the peace? If any of the gentlemen to whom the motion had reference sat as justices of the peace at the licensing sessions, as licensing magistrates, they would each have been liable to the penalty of £lOO. (Hear.) There were a great number of gentlemen connected by blood and marriage with members of the Watch Committee, some of whom had even acted as chairman of the licensing sessions ; and Uzi law was made for one why should it not be made for another. (Hear, hear.) Yet here, at the end of seven years, this thing was brought forward ! (Cheers.) It was most ungra cious and uncalled for. (Cheers.) Ile was sorry to make use of this strong language, but he did not like to hear gen tlemen holding themselves up, at a very late hour, as if they had done nothing wrong. (Hear.) He (Mr. Aspinall) was one of those who thought that every gentleman admitted to a seat in that Council ought to have some independence, that he ought to be considered as a man of honour, and no mo tives imputed to any one before it had been clearly proved that wrong had been done. (Great applause.) Such were his feelings ; and whether the gentlemen alluded to consisted of the same party as himself, or were opposed to him, he would at least have done them the justice of sitting in the Council with them without imputing improper motives ; but, at the same time, if he had ever seen, or believed them guilty of any job, or impropriety, he would have been the first to stand up against them. He had spoken warmly on this sub ject, because he was sorry Mr. Earle had been so ill advised as to bring it forward; and he thanked the Council for the attention they had given to him. (Loud cheers.) Mr. A. jun., objected to the motion; because, however much the intentions might be disclaimed of reflect ing upon the characters of individuals sitting on the Watch Committee, certainly, if the motion were carried, it would convey an imputation, of no light nature, upon the seven gentlemen referred to. (Hear It would go forth to the public, as a charge against them, of having acted in an im proper manner upon that Board. (Hear, hear.) There was no analogy, whatever, between the extracts from the Acts of Parliament read by the Deputy Town-clerk, and the case of those gentlemen ; the gentlemen who sat on the Watch Committee had no direct intercourse with the publicans, because if informations were laid against them they were taken and heard before the magistrates. (Hear.) Mr. Alderman EARLE.—By the police ? Mr. A. SMITH continued. The police laid all informations, but not before the Watch Committee. (Hear.) If the % . e.in formations were heard, as in the olden time, before the r a t t . Watch Committee, there might have been some ground_ for the motion, but they did not now go before the Wathereforera mittee ; they went direct to the magistrates, and h o . h . e er ( e lk e l o r. n S ce m r i n t e h d ) ienoublrdewnoertiecsonacnediveinhtre sale e . rgentlemenspirits h‘ovl sale, could in the slightest degree incapacitate them from sitting upon the Watch Committee. (Hear, hear.) They bad heard many times, a great deal of discussion of an un pleasant nature in thatiroom ; and, in order to put a stop to it, he should move, as an amendment, that the Council de precate the frequent personal attacks made in the Council upon individual members of its body, which have a tendency to bring the Council into disrepute, and provoke rejoinders of an unpleasant nature. Mr. llonosoN had no difficulty in rising to second the , amendment. The council had just changed their position greatly : a while ago they were discussing a subject in which all must deeply sympathize, and feel a common interest, namely, the great subject of extinguishing tires, but now, to use a common phrase, they had fallen " from the frying pan into the tire." It was clear to him, inferentially, that the resolution, if tolerated by the council ,would cast a most in jurious imputation or reflection upon a large body of moat respectable councillors, who had beau sent into that topt i * IN* ttl4 lA4vitptiAJ iNitrorAi wilow gi 13446tiv, iii,,,,114i4F.j 4tiota (coi,ll4' pre coolc4 „ tb 4 t 013 t,. O U.;p kha (4-41-#4egorir4,o-(;lort, ilo4pon the awe:l(l4lmA pormidoratile length, Much discussion followed, of a very warm, and occasionally of a personal character; with a 'view to terminating which Mr. I.,AcE moved an adjournment. The following was the de cision _ • For the adjournment Againg .. Majority A further discussion then followed upon the amendment. On a discussion there appeared — For the amendment Against it Majority for the amendment • 19 The amendment then became the original motion ; and Mr. G. H. LAWRENCL, seconded by Mr. BUSHEL L , moved a ; an amendment that it do stand as follows :—That the motion of Mr. Alderman Earle is uncalled for and unneusaary. Th e cuuncil divided, and the result was — For the amendment Against it 5 22 Majority for the 'notion .. 17 Mr. Alexander Smith's ►notion was then ordered to be en tered on the books; and at a quarter before Ave o'clock the council separated. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. UNITED STATES. We have received New York papers to the 7th instant inclusive, by the packet-ship Independence, Captain Nye, which arrived at this port on Wednesday forenoon. The papers contain two sets of correspondence between Mr. Webster and Mr. Fox, both relating to the disputed territory on the north-eastern boundary. The first set had reference to a resolution of the legislature of the State of Maine, relative to certain proceedings of the Government of New Brunswick, supposed to be in contravention of the terms of the treaty of the 9th of August, between the United States and Great Britain, by attempting to collect from American citizens bonds or securities for lumber eut, be longing to the disputed territory, that was to be surrendered by Great Britain to the states of Maine and Massachusetts under the treaty. Mr. Fox had so long ago as October last, on receiving intelligence from Lord Ashburton of the sig nature of the treaty of Washington, issued orders to the Attorney-General of the province to suspend all proceedings upon the bonds in question; the Attorney-General had duly obeyed the order. "It appears, therefore, says Mr. Fox, " that the resolutions of the Maine Legislature cannot have been grounded upon an accurate statement of facts." The second set of correspondence had reference to the seizure, by the British authorities, of an American citizen, named Colum bia. t h e m a e 3fr l oft S irrce. a ui s lb ; , g yres e b , :oa o tfer n wrr l e ceiht t ot e wet territory i ettgion)aercvyl gave on territoryoos t en ' d t t h ha e e U o n f i t N ed ew Sta u te r s u , n a aw nd ie b k y , s a t r a ri te v m al e o n f t t o h f e the b cb d . , :tue o nd f d S b a tyl v m a p g te e ra . snoyn 2l Bl r ns . de F irsv o ci xrnegst indiscretion dsoethat, irregularity ' a ' u i t t h i o t r ishallthyaso of the British provincial Government, he has no doubt that the matter will have been already set to rights by the Lieuten ant-Governor." The papers also contain a letter from Mr. Webster to Mr. Everett, the American minister at London, and dated March 28, on the subject of the right of visitation. It is a vindica tion of the passage in the President's message at the opening of Congress relative to the right of search, which it will be remembered, gave rise to discussion in the British Parliament. Neither the stock nor the money market had presented any features of interest. Prices of State securities were improving. Bills on London were in limited demand for the Indepen dence. The rate was 1031 to 106 per cent. premium. Oa Paris the rate was 51: 421 c. to sf. 414 c. brought of m forward in dan and intel l ect a variety f o f ) The papers contain the re p ort of the trial of a m an named White for the murder of his father in Genesee co unty, Western New York. In the defence the counsel for W hite set up the plea of I an side all such defence. Th e jury found the priso ner guilty, d g sentenced him ftahcetsc,rismhoinwal ; but the judge seta` showing the Jude singular ecce n tric i ty d a to be hanged. The sheriff's jury in New York had, In a case of sedue assessed the damages a t 10,000 dollars, or £2OOO sterlin g . go by d e f ault, tion, in which judg ment had been allowed to The city of Brussels has been greatly excited for murdersome his f r e e t t t u e r r n 7:: days, by the trial of M. Cournartin, for the alleged of M. Sirey, in the apartments. of Nladelle. Heinefetter, an actress of some celebrity both in France and Belgium. 'M Caumartin, who resides in France, was a lover of Madelle . Heinefetter, and had accompanied her from Paris to BNB' sels, where he left her for some time. During his absence he received a number of passionate letters M. Siren, from also a th F e r l e a n d eb. whom he expected to find devo a te t d . t i o ad h e i l m ie. on lie h i Hoping . tp give her a surprise, he returned unexpectedly . and was self much more surprised than delighted to find that gjohteasenorthi%e.arlilomveert, apartments, after the theatre,. and there had a . quarrel, which ended in the death of M. Sirey, from a stab in the body in flicted with a sword cane. On the trial, M. Caumartin stated that the deceased not only began the quar . rel, but that he attacked him with a knife and wounded him in the thigh, and that he was killed in rushing forward to repeat the blow: The jury, after hearing the evidence, unanimously acquitted the prisoner. _____.....„,... biISCELLANEOUS. the Vice-Chanc el. The subscriptions for the lunatic asylum in Wales exceed £sooo' BANK FAILURE.—The failure of Messrs. Inkersole and Goddard, bankers, Market Harborougb, Leicestershire announced in London on Monday. , was On Saturday, at the Court of Review, lot-, Sir J. L. Knight Bruce, dismissed the petition againesii the bankruptcy of Lord Huntingtower, with coats. NEW CHURCHES.—The foundation stone of a new church s.—This was laid on Easter Tuesday upon Macclesfield Common sattidoovenrFLriadnaey, I c as h t es a ter. similar gratifying ceremony took pl an An old woman, a native of Lisburn, died there on Thus. when, the train day, aged 113 years. What was remarkable, in addition to her age, was the fact, that she had not worn a shoe • during the last forty years, as she had been doing penance. Mr. VILLIER'S MOTION ON THE CORN-LAW ggage 'of the carriages motion is fixed for the 9th of May ; and on the same day a conference will take place in London of deputies from a il parts of the kingdom, summoned on the invitation of sh e Anti-Corn-law League. RAILWAY ACCIDENT. —On the arrival of the train from Glasgow to Lachwinnoch station on Friday, one of the p or _ turdgot udde hl y on e t a a r t triuncgk, t h o e a fell, g a e n s d o na l e numberlu passed over his body. Instant death was the result. which commence - Bench, Mr. Serieant Wrangliam, Sir Gregory Lewin, m r - TnE QUEEN'S COUNSEL.On W e dnesday, in th e Q ueen , . Talbot, Mr. Martin, Mr. Roebuck, and Mr. Watson, having been appointed her Majesty's Counsel, those learned gentle men were called within the bar. THE TEA TRADE, APRIL 24.—The deliveries of the preceding packages isullonwha Tea l ast week were 517,200110, being a great increase over those of of the public sales of upwa Go t trade to-morrow. COSTLY COLLECTION OF POOR RATES.—At the Iv a . ford Board of Guardians, on Thursday last, Mr. FitxuZ. rice, the collector for Gaultier, stated the amount of hi s 1 - week.rdsTiOlfe 12s 9d., the co . lection for the week to be £l4 • cost for coll ect. ing which amounted to £ l3 ss. 6d.1 ! Me LIVES LOST. —On Sunday night l as t, a fe minutes past nine o'clock, a boat, containing seven persouir Came in collision, on saes Thames, with a Greenwich , .• vessel, called the Royal , Tar belongin to gam. . g the Old Green vessel, wish Steam-boat Company, by which three persons perished: DREADFUL DEATII.—On Wednesday, a Young ma years o f a ge, was let down a well in Goswell-street, Clenrit 21 well, for the urpose of cleaning it out, and in about aqu en of an hour twos spoken to, but no anawer being retur a n rte d e a boy was sent down, when it was ascertained that the f e ' poor fellow had been suffocated by the foul air. former On Friday evening, the 14th instant, the revenue No. 45, stationed at Portglenone: proceeded by a tarty, march to a place i n the parish of Kirkinriola, and su reed cceeded before daylight on Saturda • mornin in .' ' ) Ballymena, g, Bonn, an d saf 1 • lodging in the excise stores, 56 bales, weighing 357 lbs., of prime leaf tobacco, which was most ingeniously -- " b concealed under ground. —Derry paper. COLLEGIATE INSTITUTION, BIRMINGHAM.—At a s meeting of the council and friends of the Roval School of blish a college for the board, lodging, and tutelary o esta. students. Amongst the members present were the o f its Hon. Lord Lyttleton, the Rev. Chancellor L Right Rev. Vaughan Thomas. Law , and the CURIOUS BREACH OF PROMISE CASE.--The action of C a ptain -- aga i ns t Miss H —, for breach of promise of marriage, un d er circumstancesnces noticed some m has been set tled by comp romise. The j ur y had months since, been struck, an d the lawy ers had been fee'd. B ant But the gall son of Mars has, we he ar, accepted of compensation in th e for the wounds inflicted upon his heart by shape of 4550 obdurate fair one.—Dublin Post. the SINGULAR SUICIDE.—On Monday la st, gentleman residing in Prince's Squa re, Lo ndon, Mr' Christy, a previously given indications of an wed who had pressed a wish to take a walk which ration of mind, ex being accompanied by a keeper. Hconsented to on his person of keeping so close to him , e complained to this reached the swing bridge which and when they had London Docks he suddenly rushed away the basin of the the Tobacco Dock basin. Ro p ed away and jnroped into but he made no effort to in cave himself, thrown out to him minutes, and was dead when his b himself, sunk in a few body was recovered. SALE OF AUTOGRAPHS, &C. —At &c. on Wednesday, belonging a sale of autographs, to autograph letter from Sir Philip S the late Dean of Exeter, an autograph note of Oliver Crom we ll Sydney produced £4 65.; an in fine preservation, and boreda was sold for £7 ;it was payment of £l,OOO to the wife d ate 1648. A warrant for the ,etched £3 la. • of John Hampden, dated 1652, . , an autograph letter from £5 12s. 6d. ; a letter from Charles Dryden to his wife, £4 14s. and asi n I. to Sir F. Windebank, ter, unaddressed, frognilparnu j a o l h of Cromwell, £3 Ils. A let- Ils.; one from Lord Nelso n , *usun, was purchased for £2 dated on board the Amason, September 24, 1801. 'nix SCOTCH CHURCH.—Sir George Sinclair, in a pamph let recently published urges with the utmost importunity, the expedience of government at once coming forward with a legislative measure for the settlement of the deplorable con troversy which has so lonf rent the Scotch Establishment. If Mr. Colquhoun, of Kil ermont, is to be taken as an au thority on the intentions of the cabinet in this m atter, the policy recommended by the ex-member for Caithness is not "addressed to certain likely to be followed. In a letter _ _ _ m embers of the Convocation," the member for N_evrcastle. under-Line says, I cannot now hold out to any of you any prospect of immediate legislation ; none will proposed till after the proceedings. of the next Assembly. Ilenuiso TAADE.No one engaged in the herring trade could have the least idea this time last year that prices would fall so ruinously low. The average price of the total catch of herrings in 1841 was 18s. per barrel ; that of 1842, con sisting of 113,000 barrels in the Wick district alone, is 13a., fall, in one year, of ss. per barrel, and exactlY that sure of loss to the curer, or rather more, as he could barely cure a barrel of herrings under 1 8 s. at the price paid for the cran in season 1842. Now, let us see what may be looked for as the result of another year's business. The markets in Ire land and many on the Continent are yet full of fish, which can hardly be expected to be run off by the time new herrings are sent in. The first price for the new will begin at little more than where the old left off —say 15s. per barrel on the shore of Wick, which, with an ordinary fishing, w ill quickly recede to 11s. or 125., and allow as the average of the year the latter price, viz., 125. —one shilling less than the average of last year's take, which most cu rers think will not be main tained. The cran of fresh fish, at the lowest rate that has been talked of here, will cost 78. ; and it is yet questionabl e if this price be not exceeded. The price of barr 1 galt ooperage, and a ll other expenses, by those who e ' ---, most economically, will cost 6s. 6d . ; thus making manage as the price of a barrel of white herrings for th 1 3s. 6d. show i n , ag ain, the prospect of a t o t a l lots e year 1843, barrel on the year's take. A few years at-• o f d• 6,1 . per the trade to a low ebb.—Jots O'G roat this rate will bring roat Journal.