The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1838-08-28 00:00:00

oduced for the purpose of explaining and extolling the 'liberal plan of education.' They have esta blished the• Central Society of Education, already al luded to, which embraces many members of Parlia ment and other public characters, and the publications of which depreciate all descriptions of religious educa tion, and advocate the superiority of their own plan. They have further laboured to instil their views into .the public mind throughout England by popular lec tures and addresses at public meetings, and they have elicited petitions —many of which, no doubt, have been signed by persons little aware of the tendency of their system, but which prove the progress that their doc trines are making in the country. They have there fore felt themselves, at length, sufficiently strong to bring the question under the notice of both Houses of Parliament in the present session. In the House of Lords, a bill has been introduced by Lord Brougham, Which, embodies the principles of this system, and pro-. 'poses its immediate establishment. In the House of Commons Mr. Wyse has brought for Ward a motion, which would introduce the system, by establishing that which is one of its great features—a central board of education nominated by Government. It must not be forgotten, that both these proposals, pernicious as their obvious tendency is, have received the general apprObation, expresed in Parliament, of persons now high in office; and that Mr. Wyse's motion was de feated by a majority of four only, in a house consisting of 144 members. It is impossible, therefore, to deny that these views have made formidable progress, and that, if we would prevent their adoption in this coun try, we must forthwith awaken the public attention to their dangerous and anti-Christian character." They titen proceed to remark "that, if the tendency of this system of education were properly understood, it would receive no countenance from the majority of the people. It would be found that, however anxious they are that the means of instruction should be widely extended, they would require that the education of the poor. should be based on religion ; that it should corm bine Christian instruction with useful knowledge; and that Parliament should not impose on the mem bers. of th e Ch urch of England, who are the great ma „pray of the people, any system of education which should not inculcate the doctrines of that church; any, in short, which should not harmonize in all its parts with the discipline and polity of that church and be conducted under the superintending care of the paro chial clergy." We feel equally assured that it is only necessary that the real objects and ulterior views of these " li beral" advocates of national education should become generally known, in order to be universally scouted by the right-minded and moral people of England. The advantages which have so long accrued from the system of education carried on under the auspices of the "National School Society," are too conspicuous to be forgotten in the clamour of a few half-witted but mischievous innovators, who want to remove the " ancient landmarks" of our constitution, and to in 'lttiduee into onr happy land the reign of civil anarchy. The address of the " Lay Union " is, we fear, 'hie:effect in exculpating the "British and Foreign School Society" from all participation in the schemes of the " Central Society of Education." The com mittee of the "British and Foreign School Society" - , (yrltieh is supported to a great extent by contributions from members of the Church of England) have just issued an address, which at once identifies them with Mr. Wyse and his fellow-labourers. In this address the committee have the modesty to make the following " suggestions" :-- 4 1 It has been suggested that great advantage would result if these commissioners (the `CoMmissioners for General Education') were brought, in the disposal of the public funds, into immediate correspondence with the individual or local committee sustaining each separate school, instead of acting through the agency of any society or societies. This point seems well worthy of consideration; but, how ever this may be decided, the committee would sug gest-Ist. That (excepting titles extinct, subsequently maintained under this the head) this board should not interfere, in any way, with the religious instructions imparted in any school. 2dly. That it should not im- pose any terms or restrictions, except such as might be necessary in order to secure the efficient teaching, and an adequate share of secular education. 3dly. That the Holy Scriptures should be read and taught in all the schools, such instruction to form part of the usual order of occupation, in this school, and to be communicated by the schoolmaster; but that the chil dren of 'Catholics and Jews might, if their parents required it, be absent at such time; and that the chil dren of Dissenters shall not be compelled to learn any religious formulary or catechism to ‘which their parents objected." Here we hare a full development of the scheme which has been so long entertained by the political Dissenters. They wish to have an opportunity of inspecting all the' schools in connection with the " National Society," that they may have the pleasure 4:4 denouncing them as inefficient, and of recommend ill the withdrawal of the parliamentary grant for their support: The next step will be the establish ment of, schools on the principle of excluding all reli gious formularies and catechisms. A very modest proposal, indeed, coming as it does from a class of penple,who do not contribute one-fifth of the amount of taxation..in- this country! We may well exclaim, "What next ? 7 If they proceed at this rate, we shall soon find them demanding the entire control of our public schools and universities, and perhaps insisting Upon haring our churches converted into lecturing roornh for the "diffusion of useful knowledge." We are sorry to find that concession has been attended with exactly the same result among both Papists and Dissenters—it has only made them more clamorous and unreasonable in their demands, more proud and overbearing in their - demeanour, more insulting and rapacious: in reference to the Established Church. We must, therefore, stop short in the career of con cession. "No surrender" must be our motto in future. REGISTER ! REGISTER ! ! REGISTER ! ! !—We reite rate our advice to the Conservatives of Liverpool to lose no time in placing their names on the list of mu nicipal voters. Unless all borough•rates are paid on or before the 31st instant, no burgess will be qualified to Vote at the ensuing election in November. The liberals,.as they call themselves, or the radicals and republicans, as we are justified in denominating them, are up and stirring. They calculate upon the usual apathy and want of exertion of the conservatives. Let them find, for once, that they have " reckoned with out their host." Conservatives of Liverpool ! let us h ave " a long pull, a strong pull, and. a pull.altoge ther,,, and the lossei of previous elections may be re trieved in November. Let not the radical faction tri umph in a single ward. Remember, that out of the S ixteen councillors who retire in November, thirteen a re nicknamed reformers. Return your old and tried fri ends once more into the Council, and send the sham reformers "to the right about." It is of the greatest in L Purtance that th e conserva tives should make a strong e uert at the next election, as eight of the aldermen will then have to ".resign office." If we can succeed in "PPlying the vacancies in each and all of the wa rds --and we see no obstacle in the way but the cul pable indifference too frequently manifested by the conservatives—we shall then have a chance of seeing . 4 few c onservative aldermen in the council. But be before we speculate upon the issue of the next muni cipal election, let u.s make the registry safe. DR. It. Ye SERMON BEFORE THE QUEEN.—We have given the whole of this sermon in another part of editions Tvatent impression. We perceive that five hare already been sold off, and that the de rniand for this discourse continues unabated. We con rss t hat we see nothing whatever in the sermon itself "inch could account for so large a demand. It is cer tuinir a well-digested narrative of facts; but those facts are a l rea d y perfectly familiar to every one who has made ecclesiastical history his study. The style is also forcibl e and dignified ; but it does not strike us as bein g Particularly eloquent. We believe that the cir cumstance which has contributed to render this sermon ! 0 very Popular, is, the rumour that Dr. Hook has been forbidden to preach before the Queen. The Age 7 5 8 th e fi rst to propagate this report; but the Leeds ntelligencelt states that there is no foundation for it. As the Intelligencer is published in Dr. Hook's own Parish, we presume that the editor has been autho rised to contradict the report. As to the intrinsic merits of the sermon itself we hav e no room to-day to enter into any minute exami nation. On Friday we shall give a careful and dis- passionate analysis of this discourse. The time has, at length, arrived when it behoves the friends of the Church of England to speak their minds' with free dom. We have reason to apprehend that the tactics of its jesuitical enemies have been altered withtn the last few years, and that the church is now in greater danger from those who are ostensibly its warmest ad vocates, than from those who have proclaimed open warfare against her. THE STATE OF CRIME IN ENGLAND.—WiIy iS Clime on the increase in England? Why are our gaols filled with criminals of the deepest dye—with mur derers ? Is there any assignable reason by which we may account for the alarming increase of offences against the person in this country ? We believe that there is. It is owing, in a very great measure, to that mawkish sensibility, which, while it pretends to shud der at the commission of crime, seeks to screen the offender from the consequences of his guilt. It has become the fashion of late years to declaim against capital punishment, as "a relic of barbarous times :" and the very fact of a culprit's being condemned to undergo the last penalty of the law, however dark and horrible may have been his crime—however des , perate his character—seems to entitle him to the sym pathy and almost affectionate solicitude of a certain class of influential persons, who forthwith proceed to intercede on his behalf, and generally succeed in pro curing a commutation of his sentence. It is no exag geration to state, that popular indignation is more frequently excited against the upright judge who condemns, than the diabolical villain whom lie dooms to merited punishment. This is not the way to check the growth of crime. It is like offering a boon upon murder itself. Immunity from punishment is at the root of the: evil. This is not our .solitary Our intelligent contemporary of the Blackburn Stan dard has the following very apposite remarks on this subject :—" We have observed, of late, in many cases, and have deplored its frequency, that with some per sons the spectacle of a fellow convicted by a jury of his countrymen, and condemned by the law of the land, summonses up the most lively sympathy, and urges them to regard the abandoned wretch more_ in tne light of a martyr than a malefactor—more as a conscientious victim, than a ruffianly criminal. A scoundrel who by his desperate villany reduces whole families to starvation—robs the orphan of its inherit.. ante--and throws his dupes or his infant wards out casts upon the world—is treated with remarkable lenity. Hanging is considered not too good for him, and his crime is attempted to be palliated either by reports of the refined application of his booty, or of the splendour of his dissipation. The fellow who, slightly incensed, seizes a knife, and stabs his anta gonist to the heart, is celebrated in prose and verse as an injured son of passion, and the fault is rather attributed to the selfish madness of the man who per mitted himself to be killed, than to the unreasonable monster who slaughtered him. Humanity at once spends its commiseration on the prisoner who is to suffer for his crime, and withholds its pity for him who has suffered for no evil doing.' Eugene Aram is re presented as .a romantic enthusiast who became an assassin for science sake, and the female eye is taught to be tearful at the moving misfortunes of.a brute who vilely abuses one of its sex. So mercy degenerates into a maudlin and sometimes affected interest in the welfare of the base and barbarous, and so law loses half its influence by being represented as an instru ment of vengeance." This is the language of truth and soberness. The effects of this false philanthropy are' but too apparent in every part of the country. Look at the case of the wretch Sarimel Kirkby, who was indicted, at the last assizes at Lincoln, for the murder of his master, whom he deliberately poisoned. He was convicted on the clearest evidence, and he afterwards confessed that he had long meant to mur der his • master, but that his resolution had only been postponed in consequence of the difficulty he found in poisoning his master without injuring the rest of the family. Here was a case of cold-blooded murder, springing from malice aforethought. But what fol lowed ? He was condemned to be hung: but, in conformity to the modern fashion, his sentence was reversed by my Lord John Russell, and the brute was snatched from the gallows to be conveyed to the hulks. On his way through Lincoln, when he arrived at the Green Man, "he called for a cigar and a glass of grog, with as much assurance as though he had been an ordinary passenger. He laughed and grimaced on his journey, and said that now his head was out of the hemp he did not care for what might come." Now, mark the consequences of this ill-timed and unmerited leniency. A few days ago, a boy, about fifteen years of age, an apprentice of Mr. Hull, wheelwright, Melbourne, attempted to poison his master and mistress, by putting arsenic into the sugar which they were about to use fvr breakfast, and which they actually put into their coffee, but the cream not being added to it, they fortunately detected its pre sence from its colour. Then, again, look to the more recent case in this town, as reported in our paper of last week, when an attempt was made to poison a whole family. We might multiply instances: but with such facts as these staring us in the face, we cannot help feeling a great degree of surprise at the pertinacity with which so highly respectable and thoroughly conserva• tive a paper as the Morning Herald continues to de claim against capital punishment. We fear that if its doctrines were universally acted upon, we should soon find the very bonds of society disruptured, and a spirit of lawless ferocity engendered which would render England a second Pandemonium. Before we quit this subject, we must be allowed once more to advert to the melancholy fact, that more than one half of the criminal cases in England afford the strongest proof of the inseparable connection be tween Popery and crime, as cause and effect. It will scarcely be denied that fully that proportion of the worst cases, such as murder and manslaughter, are cases in which Irish papists are concerned. This is a fearful item in our criminal statistics, when the re• lative numbers of the Irish and English are considered. In estimating the moralinfluence of Popery in Ireland, we must take all these cases into account, as most of the Irish that are found guilty of perpetrating the horrible crime of murder in England, have been educated under the care of the Maynooth moralists. And yet some people are so blind as to see no harm in Popery ! THE THEATRE ROYAL.—A round of comedies are now playing. Harley, the comedian, and Mr. F. Vining, are now down. The houses keep pretty good. POLICE COURT. — Yesterday, at the police court, there were 67 persons brought before the magistrates charged with being drunk and disorderly, and 66 charged with felony, and in all 133 persons taken into custody since Saturday. The ZOOLOGICAL GAllDENs.—'l'here was another erup tion of 'Vesuvius last evening. The mountain is about to be taken down, and will, we believe, cease after Thursday even ing next, when there is to be another exhibition, "eructare viscera cum gtmitu " POSTPONEMENT OF NEW BRIGHTON RACES.—Our sport ing readers on this and the other side of the Mersey will learn with regret that these races, which have hitherto afforded so' much amusement - to the pleasure-peeking portion of the community, are unavoidably postponed for the present. This disappointment has arisen in consequence of an opinion ex pressed by the magistrates of the northern division of the county, to the effect, that as the stakes to be contended for do not amount to £5O, the stun required by law, they should not feel justified, in case of any breach of the peace being committed, in interfering to protect the property of the par ties interested in the success of the meetiug. The races, consequently, are put off for the present yd'ar. TRANSATLANTIC STEAM SHIP NAVIGATION.—We have no small satisfaction in stating that the new Transatlantic steam ship company, have completed the purchase of Sir John Tobin's splendid steam vessel "the Liverpool," now nearly completed, and by which a valuable accession of in terests has been effected,—and a great stimulus given to the establishment of an adequate supply of first-rate steamers, for the intercourse with New York from this port.—The Company have also made a further charter of the "Royal William,"—which vessel will sail on her second voyage to New York, on the 20th of September, to he followed by the Liverpool," on the 20th of October. If Liverpool has been last in the field, this amalgamation of interests will guarantee the permanence of one of the first steam establish ments in the Kingdom, and one worthy of this great com mercial port. FREEMASONS' AND GENERAL LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANY. —Being among the first to hail and advocate this company it gives us great pleasure to observe the eminent success with which it has been attended. In fact, the principles on which it is based only require to be investigated iu order to he ap proved. It adds to the cardinal virtues of masonry ‘• Hope, and. Charity," a fourth, perhaps of still greater im portance in human life, viz., Prudence. The plan of giving to the Provincial Grand Lodge of every district a tenth of the profits realized in that district for the benevolent. purposes of masonry, is an admirable feature, and is calculated to make each vie with the other in support of this association. Ma sonry will thus have a standing fund always available for its objects, and like the banana tree of the Indies, every branch from the Grand Lodge may become a great trunk itself. The plan, too, of giving the option of a provision for old age, an increase of the policy, a diminution of the premium, or a loan on the advances, though not original, is very judiciously grafted on the previously advertised system, while the two classes of the assured, one with all the profits of its own class, divided among themselves, and the other at an extremely low premium, with all the profits to the shareholders in addi tion to the guaranteed five per cent., is a feature quite new, and likely to be very popular with both capitalists and per sons desiring to insure. LIVERPOOL CONSERVATIVE TRADESMAN'S ASSOCIATION. On Friday evening last e special meeting of the members of this association was called, for the purpose of inviting Cresswell Cresswell, Esq., one of our talented representa tives, to meet the rnetnbers of the association before he left town, after the business of the assizes was concluded, his pro fessional labours thereat being over. The association met in its usual meeting room—the large ro'im of the York-hotel. At eight o'clock the room was nearly filled, and Mr. Cooper was called to the chair. The handsome banner of the asso ciation, with several union jacks and royal standards were suspended over and about the platform. 1 he CHAIRMAN said that owing to the unfortunate indispo sition of Mr. Potter, and the unavoidable absence from home of Mr. Wilkinson, it had fallen to his lot to preside on this interesting and important occasion ; and however inadequate he might be, on the score of ability, to the performance of the duties which he had been selected to discharge, he trusted, and indeed had no doubt, that he should receive the in dulgence and support of all present. In the first place, he begged to remind them, and through them the conservatives generally of the borough, that the time had now arrived when those gentlemen who wished to exercise their rights and pri vileges as free citizens were more particularly called upon to take care that their names were properly inserted in the re gister for their municipal election. He exceedingly regretted to observe, on looking over the parliamentary register, that a great number of friends to the constitutional cause and the Protestant religion would be prevented exercising the par liamentary franchise in the event of an election in the en suing year, by the non-payment of their rates; and as Thurs day last was the last day for the payment of rates to enable them to be placed on the municipal list, he much feared the occurrence of a similar omission, and gave this notice in order that it :night be avoided. Since the last time he had the pleasure of meeting the members of their flourishing associa tion, by the exercise of some perseverance and by some little exertion they had been enabled to defeat the infamous prisons' bill, (introduced by Lord John Russell to the House of Corn mons,) and which bill, if it passed into a law, would have involved the town in an expenditu re o f £200,00b. (Cheers.) 'l6e object of his lordship was to try the effects of the silent system, and Liverpool being an opulent town he thought it afforded an admirable opportunity for the experiment. Had he succeeded the inhabitants would have an additional rate inflicted upon them, to the amount, probably, of from eight pence to one shilling, or perhapseighteenpence in the pound. (Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") The people of Liverpool, in this instance, as in many others, had reason to thank God they had a House of Lords, for to their lordship, and them alone, backed by representations from this town, they were indebted for the rejection of that shameful measure, (Cheers.) He might here, with propriety, mention that a very numer ously and respectably signed requisition had been sent to the churchwardens from inhabitant householders, requesting them to call a public meeting for the consideration of this proposed enactment, in which not only the conservatives but the peo ple generally were so deeply interested. The churchwardens, it appeared, submitted that requisitou to the vestry-clerk, and that functionary gave it as hire opinion that they could have nothing to do with it. (Hear, hear.) He (the chair man) thought that in a matter where the interest of the town were so deeply concerned, it was their duty to have called the inhabitants to; ether to discuss the question; and be now gave notice, that if no other person required an explanation from the churchwardens at the next Easter assembly, he would take that duty upon himself. (Cheers.) When last he alluded to this subject, he stated the extent of the powers to make rules and regulations which the bill conferred, and which gave the right of unlimited taxation to the Home Se ceretary—a power which ought not to be entrusted to any in dividual. It delegated the authority to build gaols to the town-council, but the ministers, with true whip took care that they would have all the patronage, though the money was to come from the pockets of the p e opl e . (Hear.) The chairman concluded by reading the observations of the Marquis of Salisbury in the House of Peers, on the 7th ult., which he contended bore out what he had stated, when moving that the bill be read that day six mouths. A number of new members were then proposed, seconded, and admitted; and during the transaction of this part of the business, Mr. Cresswell entered the room, accompanied by a number of gentlemen of high respectability. He was re ceived with the most enthusiastic demonstrations of regard. Mr. SANDS presented himself amidst much applause, and said it was with extreme reluctance and great diffidence that he came forward to take part in these meetings, not because he did not feel deeply interested in their prosperity, and the importance of their discussions, but because he was conscious of being incompetent to do justice to the subject with which he was on such occasions entrusted. The resolution now placed in his hands fortunately required no preface—he need not introduce it with any speech; and, indeed, it would be bad taste in hinrwere he to venture to infringe upon their time, when it might be so much more worthily and instruc tively occupied in listening to an address from their respect ed member, who was in waiting to speak to them, Mr. Cress well. (Great cheering.) He might, in ,a few words, mention, on the part of that gentleman, several important questions which were brought before parliament in the past session, with regard to which lie had rendered the town considerable service; bathe need only refer to one, and that was the settle ment of the Danish claims. (Loud cheers.) He would at once read the resolution which he held in his hand, with per fect confidence that it would receive the general and imme diate adoption of the meeting :—" That this association takes the opportunity now afforded to them, of declaring their un qualified approbation of the parliamentary conduct of Lord Viscount Sandon and Cresswell Cresswell, Esq., and acknow ledges, with gratitude, the zeal, energy, and the efficiency with which they have, on every occasion, promoted the local interests of the borough of Liverpool." (Cheers.) Sir T. BRANCKER observed that the merits of both the hon. representatives for Liverpool were so well known to the meeting that he was sure the resolution needed no speech either from the mover or seconder. He should therefore content himself with seconding the motion. The CHAIRMAN said that as he was in London some time, on the deputation respecting the cottage question, lie had an opportunity of witnessing the usefulness of their honourable members. The town was deeply indebted to them in many respects, but inure particularly for their unwearied exertions in opposing that unjust and partial measure. The Motion was carried by acclamation. The cheering was renewed on Mr. Cresswell stepping forward to reply. Mr. CitesswEie having stood forwards, was received with enthusiastic cheering and demonstrations of regard. He said, Gentlemen, when I was informed that a meeting of this admirable association— LAt this juncture'some Rehrmer whose manners were evi dently in want of considerable reform , persisted in not " hesitating." but shoutin g o ut hi s "dislike" of Tories, order, church, Queen, and constitution, which resulted in a threat to turn him out if he could not keep quiet. Obstinacy being a big bump on his cranium, this threat would have been carried into effect but for the intercession of the hon. member.] 1 1 , a p t r i t o w n e t e o d e n d , k e I f thi a ler n lpelfh y oogral:uve.s n e.es e s: nt i n s e( s ogpic l it t :i e loha r itceioti o eeal f erest( the to return association hasthanks Something like order having again been restored, Mr. a C n re o s L v e e r l to you fur your great kindness, I shall be most happy that he hi shall ila,f yai li b el l e atnsm aornmt permitted ace oralrillic t ea o ers t d meh o neu : s ee : nstand)gs length t g. t pr (Laughter.) growled dg "hint e Quiet having been now restored, The Hon. Memb er proceeded.,—lt is no easy matter for any ordinary being to contend against a large body, and as I have had some little call for my exertions already in the course of the day, I appealed to the gentleman who seemed disposed to address our meeting, in order that I might ob tain something like quiet, while endeavouring to return my humble thanks to you for the honour you have just paid me. (Cheers.) And I was about to state to you, when I heard You were going to assemble this day, not at one of your or dinary meetings, but to give me an opportunity of addressing you, i felt deeply grateful to you for your kindness. For as this was the great society that first invited nee forward to represent this town in parliament, so nothing could give me greater pleasure than having an opportunity of meeting you ere I take my departure from Liverpool. And, gentlemen, I do assure you most sincerely, when I entered this room to night, I little expected to receive that unanimous mark of your .approbation with which you are pleased to honour me. For however anxious I am to labour for your benefit, and to dischatge with fidelity the duties I have undertaken, it did not appear to me that any poor service I have been able to render vou was at all deserving of such a compliment as you have been pleased to give me. The only claim to your approbation I eau have, is, I have endeavoured to dO'nay duty. (Cheers.) I have endeavoured to act on that principle which 1 told you its the outset should ever govern my public career;—that I was not going into parliament for any scheme of personal vanity—for any ambitious project of my own—that I re ceived your trust as a matter of public duty, and, therefore, the simple and straightforward discharge of my duty would be the only object I had in view. (Loud cheers.) Gentle men, it is that same principle which has governed me in my career in parliament, within the walls of the House of Com mons; for I cats say, most sincerely, and I believe that many of you can bear witness to the truth of it, that I have never endeavoured to utter one word for the sake of gaining the applause of my hearers, or for the vain motive of de siring to see it published in the newspapers of the following day. (Great applause.) And, gentlemen, if I had departed from that line I should have betrayed my duty to you, and for this reason; any gentleman honoured by the' election of this great constituency,—made the representative of this great and flourishing town, must of necessity carry into the House of Commons a certain degree of weight with him. He would be considered (at all events at first) as entitled to the respect and attention of that House; and I need hardly point out to you how essential it is that your members should retain that respect, in order when they have to discuss, as advocates, your weighty interests, the respect of that House may be maintained to them; and I know of no course that any Member of Parliament can take, more fatal to himself, more injurious to his interests than to render himself promi nent by frequent discussions, by frequently obtruding himself on the House, and by making himself what Is commonly termed a "bore." (Laughter and cheers.) That, therefore, I have cautiously avoided, and I trust I have thus far succeeded, and that I have never had occasion to advocate any of your interests either in or out of that House where I have not re ceived that attention which is due to the representative of this town. (Cheers.) And you, gentlemen, have been pleased to bear witness to the consequences of that course by telling me I have not been an inefficient supporter of your interests. (Hear.) The course that has been taren in the present session has certainly given us but little opportunity of speaking of local matters; for although many questions interesting to this town have been agitated for a time, none of them ye been brought fairly to the battle, but have been postponed. But if the bill for making the owners of small tenements pay rates that the owners of large properties are not called on to pay, shall be again introduced—if another attempt shall be made to subject the government of the pilot age of this poi t to a board its London, you will again find your members ready there, in the House or out of it, to fight the battles of their constituents. (Great cheering.) But enough of these matters, which are personal to our selves. Let me take a short view of the proceedings in parliament as to those subjects of more general interest, which all were discussing at large before the last parliament. .1 think I may congratulate you—we may congratulate each other on this, that, after along and laborious session, no inroad has been made on the constitution, by its avowed or conceal ed enemies, or by both combined. Yes, gentlemen, we have seen a ministry cotnposed of what was well called "squeezable materials" We have seen them acted on by Radical squeez ers—(continued laughter)—we have seen them wincing under that operation ; but, on the other hand, being controlled by the Conservative party in that house, our institutions have been unimpaired. And although the friends and supporters of the administration—although they, without whom the ministry could not exist for an hour, are now endeavouring to excite agitation bordering on rebellion in one portion of the empire, I trust that the same firm front shown by the conservatives previous to the last election will be again shown by them, and will produce the same subjects of congratulation. (Cheers) Let inc point out to you, gentlemen, a short description of the session, written by the editor of a paper extremely clever certainly, but by no means favourable to the Conservative party; and if they pay this tribute to us, if they give us this strength, surely we may be allowed to congratulate each other. That paper [which we understood to be the Spectator] says—" The summary of parliamentary performances and omissions, recalling the manner sin which each question had been treated, suggests reflections on the state of parties and of public feeling. In an often-remembered and once griev ously-vituperated paper of ours, now a twelvemonth old," and that was written about the time of the last election, when conservatism triumphed here—(great applause)—" it was predicted that the session which has just ended would exhibit conservatism in the ascendant. We warned the reader that there-would be a government of tory principles and prac tice, whatever its professions may be; a government, of what ever men composed, decidedly conservative of the present franchise—of the present plan of open voting under bribery • and intimidation—of the peerage as it is, and of the churcll as it is.' Ihe prediction has been but too completely veri fied." Gentlemen, I say the prediction has been gloriously verified. (Cheers.) It has been happily verified. Yes, gentlemen, thanks be to the admirable and talented leaders of that party, the Conservatives have been kept most unani mously together; they have succeeded in repelling all at tacks on our/parliamentary franchise; they have succeeded in exposing the abominable " vote by ballot," which would make Englishmen shrink from avowing their own sentiments —(much cheering)—which would make their lives a lie. They have succeeded in maintaining the church in all its in tegrity. (Cheers.) They have succeeded in maintaining the independence of the peerage. And if our enemies, thus admitting that we have succeeded, as at the outset we said we trusted we should, in maintaining, by the assistance of the British electors, the institutions of our country, seeing you still animated by time same feeling as then, seeing you still active, how can you doubt that others will be actuated by the same spirit—that the same feeling will prevail throughout, and that other Conservative constituencies will be actuated by the same spirit of our own constituents. Desirous of act ing up to our principles, we shall continue with the same de termination, and, I trust, under God's providence, with the same success, to maintain all the valuable institutions of our country. (Cheers.) Gentlemen, are we to thank the ministers for this? (" No!') What. has been their career throughout the session? They had scarcely settled the revenue of our gracious Queen before the disastrous news arrived, that in Canada, the weakness of their government had encouraged agitation, till it had ripened int o reb e lli on; an d a l mos t t h e first public act of the session was to suspend the constitution of that country, and send out a Dictator to govern it. One of the blessed fruits of " liberalily"--( Laughter.) And how did the session close? Why with a bill fo indemnify that Dictator for the excesses he had committed beyond the authority in vested in him by law.—(Cheers and laughter.) So much for the love of liberality in these our ministers.—(Hear and cheers.) But how have they dealt with other matters, with tithes? with the church? Yes, gentlemen, after obtaining office by a pledge on their part that they would deem no set tlement of the Irish church question satisfactory, that did not involve the spoliation of the church property ; in order to keep the places so obtained, they abandon that principle, and cast it out of their bill.—(Hear.) And, on the other hand, the squeezers being applied to them, the enemies of the church obtain not indeed the plunder, because that they could not get, because we were too strong for them, but a civil speech from the ministers—" we still think we ought to give you this, but we cannot get it for.you."—(Laughter.) And this is their course; they yield to necessity; they adopt such measures as they are compelled to pass, and then, lest they should lose their Radical supporters, they pledge themselves to let it pass. They agreed to adopt measures they were forced to pass, lest their rejection should compel them to leave office; and to gra tify the Radicals, they pledged themselves to plunder the church the first practicable opportunity.—(Laughter.) And, therefore, although we have succeeded in maintaining the church as it was, according to the statement in this paper, no thanks to the ministry; although it was by means of a mi nisterial bill that that result has been obtained. Gentlemen, I will not proceed through the details of this session; I will not detain you longer, because I shall ere long have an op portunity of addressing you in conjunction with my excellent, esteemed, and valued colleague, Lord Sandon.--(Tremendous cheering.) I say, gentlemen, that it is in the anticipation, in conjunction with him at your approaching anniversary, of again meeting you, and in the prospect of the future, that I shall abstain from addressing you more at length now. But before I take leave of you, permit me to say of that noble and excellent perstm, that - as nothing could be more generous, nothing snore manly, nothing more pleasing to me as his col league, than his conduct during his canvass here, so nothing ' could be more kind and considerate than the attention 1 have received from him whilst instructing me in parliament prac tice, and assisting me in parliamentary duties in which I was a novice, and of necessity, ignorant before. Therefore, gentle men, if I have been able to serve you, if I have not been found an inefficient representative, to the noble lord rather than to me, your thanks ought to he given for his peculiar services.— (Cheers.) I can only wish, gentlemen, that my situation placed me independent in my circumstances as be is, that I could have more opportunity in att en di ng t o th e calls made on him by you. I can only say, that I have double pleasure in fighting your battles by his side, both on account of the respect I feel for him, and the respect that he always carries with him.—(Cheers.) For him and myself allow me to re turn you my hearty thanks, and till October to bid you farewell.—(Great cheering.) Mr. PUDSEY DA wsoN having been proposed a member of the association by his brother, Mr. RICHARD DAwsoN, and unanimously elected, that gentleman was loudly called for, and on presenting himself was much cheered. He said that he had peculiar satisfaction in acknowledging the honour which the meeting had done him in electing him as a mem ber of the Trade s men' s C onservat i ve Association of Liver pool. He had warm feelings towards the town, which had descended to him from a man who might have been known to some of the older members, and whose name many of the younger ones might remember. (A cry of " Old Pudsey," and a laugh.) He was proud to be admitted into an associ ation which exhibited so marked an approbation of the par liamentary conduct of his friend, Mr. Cresswell. It was impossible for them to select more able men than Lord San don and that gentleman to represent fbis loyal, ancient, and important borough. (Cheers.) He (Mr. D.) had carried through life, to the present period, th e ' reco ll ec ti on of days which he had spent in Liverpool, and he trusted he should continue to preserve those recollections, with those arising out of the present meeting, to the latest period of his exist ence. Whilst they selected such representatives as Lord Sandon and Mr. Cresswell, they could do no wrong. He begged to be allowed to say, before he retired from the notice of the meeting, that he was not skilled in the masonry, if so it might be termed, of merchandise. (Laughter.) He was an agriculturist, and had lived long enough in the country to know that the landed interest was not to be despised—he had lived to become acquainted, in the country . where he had the honour to reside, with many of the principal manufac turers, who had acknowledged that they derived their best support from the aristocracy and the landed interest—they were the best paymasters, they were certain, and their money was at home. (Cheers.) Again thanking the meeting for the honour conferred upon him, he expressed a hope that. the association would prosper, and that they would long continue to return Conservative members for Liverpool. (Cheers.) Mr. BUSHELL had to propose a 'gentleman who was con nected with the literature of the country, and whom the country had honoured, He would not keep the meeting in impatience, but would propose the health of Dr. M‘Ginn. (Roars of laughter.) lie had made a lapsus linyucc, but it was one which he would not retract or withdraw. He re pealed that he would give the health of Dr. M'Ginn, and was sure that it would be gratifying to them to know that a man of his talent was advocating their cause. There was plenty of talent in the world, but it was not often they found talent and principle combined, as in the case of the learned doctor. Mr. L. T. GASKELL—I beg to second the motion, M r Chairman. The question was put, and carried unanimously. Dr. M`Gisix then stood forward. Ile said—Gentlemen, I may truly commence with the hacknied commencement, " unaccustomed as I am to public speaking," for this is posi tively the first speech I ever made in my life. But I have been relieved from much of the difficulty of it by the pleas ing manner (laughter) in which it has been proposed by Mr. Bushell. He gave the health of the gentleman who now addresses you. I have been long accustomed to address fes tive meetings in all manners of jocularities and mirth; and, therefore, when I had my health proposed, all I felt sorry for, gentlemen, was, that there was nothing to drink it in. (Conk tinued laughter.) I certainly think lam very happy in the name of my proposer. 1 shall not " hide my candle under a bushell;" but as all of you know a bushell is a good mea sure all the world over, I hope that justice shall be given to you, three strikes to the bushell of the very best and strongest conservatism that can be brewed in the county of Lancashire. (Cheers.) When I came here first, I was told I was going to make a speech. I was fainting under the oppression of the native diffidence which belongs to my couutry—(loud laughter)—till, I say, I was infinitely relieved by that agree able manner in which the first salutation of Mr. Bushell burst forth—and rescued me from all dread. And, therefore, as my health has been toasted, I give the health of the con servatives of Lancashire, and long may they enjoy them selves in every possible way they can. (Loud cheers, and laughter.) Mr. SHEPHERD was loudty called for, and on coming for ward was heartily cheered. He made some allusion to the hodge podge system of the whig ministry, and, as an Irish gentlemen, returned thanks to Mr. Cresswell for the inde pendent, zealous, and manly manner in which be had met the great agitator of his (Mr. S.'s) country in the House of Commons. He had come down as the Roman of old in. integrity and manliness, and bearded the lion in his den. Had he conducted hirnselfas O'Connell had frequently done,he would never again have held up his head. Mr. O'Connellwas again wrong when be contradicted Lord Sandon, who said he had formerly advocated the payment of the Roman Catholic clergy by the state. He had declared in 1825, before a com mittee of the House of Commons that it would be an excel lent thing if they would pay the Roman Catholic clergy, and bind them to the state as the Protestant clergy were. He afterwards went up to the House of Lords, and on his solemn oath said the project would be useful. On being questioned as to the amount of salary which he thought they ought to have, he stated £BOO per annum for a bishop, and £l5OO for an archbishop. In 1828 he wrote to the electors of Clare county, that if they would elect him lie would advocate the introduction of poor-laws into Ireland ;he afterwards changed his views, and then professed to have been converted by a pamphlet written by Dr. Doyle; now again we had him de precating poor-laws as injurious. There was no end to his inconsisteucy. Mr. Shepherd then said he found the Whigs to be such an extraordinary set, that no one could express himself decently on their acts, and therefore he would read what was said of them by a radical paper :—" Amongst the signs of the times °melting the public revolt, either induced by whig incapacity or directed against whig misrule, we reckon the meeting at Manchester, held on Thursday, August 16, 1838, on the so-called eld of Peterlon, not the least significant. The multitude formed a procession, and were led to the seen of action by a band playing the 'Dead March in Saul.' rhe chairman, on assuming his office, read the notices under which the meeting was assemb led, commencing with the fearful words, MURDER DEMANDS JUSTICE"; and the most inflammatory harangues were ut tered by Messrs. Benbow, Curran, Wheeler, and Vincent— the latter of whom denounced, in the most energetic terms, the reign of 'enlightened and philosophical whiggery,' under which the country pines and languishes. 'ln 1830,' said he the glorious French revolution took place. The French people, oppressed by their aristocracy, rose in arms, and obtained a glorious and almost bloodless victory. (Cheers.) But they were cheated and swindled by the French whigs— (hear, hear)—just as you were swindled by the British whig reform bill: (Loud cheers ) The French revolution roused the British nation into action. The leading whig aristocracy, hungry for place and thirsty for power, taking advantage of the general discontent of the people, raised the cry o f re f orm, and backed by your physical efforts, carried their ten-pound reform bill. (Rear. hear.) What have we got by this bill ? Its first fruit was the Irish coertion bill—(groans)—because the ministry were in some slight favour with the English radicals, and could do without King Dan and his tail— (laughter.)—' But the eloquent gentleman is even yet more explicit, and the public feeling has been still more unequivo cally expressed Now, mark me, men of Manchester,' continues Mr. Vincent, there is a man of whom I cannot speak with sufficient contempt—l mean the wretch who moved a vote of thanks to the Manchester murderers— (groans), Lord Viscount Melbourne, the prime minister of the present reformed government. (Hisses and groans.) This wretch was the prime mover of the outrage cotmnittea in Calthorpe-street. (Hear.) He belonged to the govern ment that coerced Ireland, to the government that gave English labourers the poor-law amendment bill, to the govern ment that increased the civil list beyond tory parallel, to the government that coerced Canada. He and his government have been guilty of every species of political villany. You are the jury before which they are now to be tried—(cheers); you know their actions—you have felt their conduct—what say you? Are they guilty of treason to the . people, or not guilty ? (Loud cries of "guilty," a n d cheertug.) Each of you who beli eve them to be guilty hold up your hands. (Here the whole assembly/held up their hands.) Your ver dict is unanimous. (Cheers.) Oh, my friends, how I wish that I were empowered to deliver my verdict. (A cry of "hang them".) "No, they are not worth hanging." (Cheers.) (Every sentiment in the last ten lines was received In a simi lar manner.) The CHAIRMAN. after the admission of some more new members announced that the business of the evening was at an end. Three times three cheers Were then given for "San don and Cresswell," the county members, the conservatives of South Lancashire, and the chairman. The General Steam Navigation Company are about to add to their fine fleet of steam ships and packets, forty-seven in number, by the building of three more large steamers, the keels of which have been laid down at the ship building yards in the river. They are now in a forward state, and will be launched and fitted up for the northern trade, Ant werp, Rotterdam, and Hamburg, in the early part of next year. LIVERPOOL ASSIZES. NISI PRIUS COURT.-FRIDAY LIABILITY OF AUCTIONEER:L-WOOD AND OTHERS ASSIG NEES V. STA MP The plaintiff's, in this case, were the assignees of Edward and John Mirlin, the former lately a general warehouseman and dealer in Manchester, the latter in Leeds. The defen dant, Mr. Francis Stamp, is an auctioneer and commission agent at Hull. Mr. Cresswell, Mr. Cowling, and Mr. Watsggi for the plaintiffs; Mr. Alexander, Mr. Wightman, and ME Martin for the defence. Mr. CRESSWELL stated the case to the general effect, that Edward Mirfin, of Manchester, and John Mirfin, of Leeds, had procured large quantities of goods from different manu facturers, which they had transmitted to Mr. Stamp, who had sold them at a ruinous sacrifice. - He should prove that the goods had been obtained lavishly, and that in the course of the circumstances Mr. Francis Stamp could not but have had a knowledge that the transactions were unfair, and out of the common and regular course of business. He should fur ther prove that an act of bankruptcy had been committed by Edward Mirfin in June, 1837; that he caused himself, early in that month, to be denied to a person who called to present a bill of exchange; that he went to Leeds, and left word with his clerk to inform any individual who might call upon him that he had gone to Bakely, in Yorkshire; and that thus he played at hide and seek from June to August, on the 7th of which month he took refuge in the Isle of Man. He should also show that on one occasion a quantity of goods were sent Co a Hull in a post-chaise, post haste, in a most gentle• manlike style. The goods sent by Edward Mirfin he should prove amounted to £6OOO, and those by the other to £9OOO. The assignees now claimed £l5BO, or perhaps even a larger sum, as the amount of goods sent to the defendant after the first act of bankruptcy, which they would be very able to prove. Mr. Charles Cooper, solicitor, produced the document o bankruptcy against Edward Mirfin, dated 25th October, 1837 The appointment of assignees took place on the 7th Novem ber, 1837- It appeared that Mirfin had written to the defendant, and transacted a portion of his business with him under the as sumed name of George Thomas. Mr. Cooper having pro duced the examination of the defendant before the commis sioner, was cross-examined touching the knowledge which the defendant had of the Mirfins. it appeared that the de fendant knew nothing of I\prfin in the first instance, and that the transaction had taken place through the medium of a Mr. Burnell; Mirfin's traveller. James Booth stated that he entered the service of Edward :Mirfin, in January, 1837. He recollected that fustian goods had come to Mirfin's possession from Messrs. Dawson and Co., manufacturers, in June, 1837. Th e day after their ar rival they were sent to Mr. Stamp, at Hull, An inventory was sent with them. They were not entered in any way but as having "come in." That was not the ordinary course of doing business. The witness further proved that goods had arrived at Edward Mirfin's warehouse from the following manufacturers: from Messrs. Inglis and Jones, on the 20th June; from Messrs. H a ll an d G or d on on t h e 3d June; from Messrs. Longworth and Son, on the 22d June; from Messrs. Isaac Hodgson, (silks) on the 19th June; from Messrs. Ro berts, on the 21st June; from Messrs. Cooke and Woods, the petitioning creditors, on the 3d July, to the amount of £369 its. 2d., and from Mr. Dawson, on the 3d July, all of which were on the day, or day but one after the arrival sent away to the defendant. Several assortments of prints, furs, &c., the amount continually increasing, were proved by the witness to have been sent up to the end of July. The prices at which Mr. Mirfin bought his goods were low. The amount sent from January to the end of July, was altogether about £6OOO. From the very beginning of the time that he entered Mirfin's service the creditors were pressing him for pay ments. On the Bth of June he remembered a person calling with a bill of exchange for £lBB 19s. 6d. Mr. Mirfin was not in, but when he came in witness told him of the circum stance, and that the person was to call again the aft ernoon . Mr. Mirfin said if the person did call, he was to say that he was not in. The individual, who was a clerk to a person of whom Mirfin had bought goods, called again that afternoon. Witness was with Mirfin when the boy brought word up that a person wished to see him. Mirfin told him, if it were that person, to say that he was not there. On the 9th July, Mir fin went away to Leeds, bat he told him (witness) to say , that he had gone to Bakewell. He returned in abbut a fort night, but he did not go to the warehouse. He sent for wit ness, and asked if he had any money at the warehouse. Wit ness said no, but that Mr. Woodhouse had gone to Bakewell to look for hint. He laughed, and said if any one enquired for him, it was not to be said he was in town, as he expected to be arrested on a bill of Exchange. The goods were ad dressed to Stamp by initials only. On his cross-examination by Mr. ALEXAN DER, witness de posed that prices were generally low at that time, but if they had chosen to sell at a sacrifice of 25 per cent. they could have sold easily at Manchester. William Rowbotton, a carrier's clerk proved the transmis sion through Messrs, Carver and Co., carriers, of a number of cases, bales, and trusses of goods marked S. H., which it was understood by the manifest were consigned to Mr. Stamp of Hull. Benjamin Burrell stated, that he knew Edward Mirfin and his brother. They formerly carried on business as John Mirfin and Sons.- At the begining of last year, witness was in the corn trade. He had been a draper and had known Mirfin many years. In April last year, Edward Mirfin made applications to him aboyt going to Hull for him he (Mirfin) having been taken so ill that he could not go him self. This was at Wakefield. where he (witness) resided.— Mirfin pressed him to go to Ilull to receive some money for him to meet a Bill of Exchange which he had to advise of, and gave him a letter addressed to Mr. Stamp. Witness went and arrived at Hull at the latter end of April. The letter from Edward Mirfin to Mr. Stamp sent by wit ness, was here put in and read. It was signed George Thomas. It was to the effect that goods had been forwarded to Mr. Stamp of Hull, the bearer had the invoice. The bearer (Burrell) was described as a Mr. John Wilson, a per son acquainted with the transaction between the parties, and one in whom the writer h a d i mp li c i t conf i dence. A 'hope was expressed that better prices would be realised, and a promise given that more goods would be forwarded. The witness went on to state that Mirfin requested him not to go in is own name on account of his former misfortunes. Those misfortunes were that he had failed; that he had been prosecuted at the York assizes, where he fell a victim to an accusation in which his name was joined with those of seve ral others charged with conspiracy. He was included in a verdict of guilty. When he went to Hull, therefore, in this business he took the name of John Wilson, at the instance of Mirfin. He presented the letter to Mr. Stamp, and received upwards of £3OO which he applied as directed. He after wards had to go several times to Hull. Mr. Stamp had an establishment at Hull, which he called by the name of the Pantechnocal. When be was in Mr. Stamp's leng'room one day, he saw - an individual whom he knew—a Mr. Wells—and he said to Mr. Stamp, as that individual knew him he thought he had better retire. Mr. Stamp desired him to walk into the counting-house. A journey or two after, Mr. Stamp told him always to go through his house and not to the business departineut at all. If he saw people inspecting goods he went up into a sitting-room. One day a Mr. Jones came, and on his intimating to Mr. Stamp that that person knew him, the latter told him to walk up stairs. It was usual to put the manufacturers marks on goods. In order that there might be no tracing of the goods in question, Mr. Stamp had the marks taken off and his own private marks snbstituted. He (Witness) and the warehouseman had assisted to do this. He conceived the amount of goods sent by Edwardiliriie" was about £OOO, and by the other brother, about £9OOO. On the 7th July, Mr. Stamp presented a letter to witness at Hull. and requested him to sign it. The letter alluded to was put in and read. It was signed John Wilson, and addressed to F. Stamp, and dated July, 1837. The letter was a sort of certificate from the person whose signature it bore, that several lots of goods had been sent to the defendant as the property of Mirfin, by an indi vidual who called himself their agent, and who had been introduced as George Thomas. It further contained an ac knowledgment of advances on the goods to the amount of £1520 7s. 104., with a guarantee for the repayment of the same. On the same sheet was another note with the same signature This note acknowledged the receipt of £195 2s. 7d. for the use of Edward ➢lirfin. Witness stated that he signed the notes as requested. Some of the goods sold at a great sacrifice. Some cloths which cost 12s. 6d. sold for 6s. 6d. 'The average loss on the whole sales would be 40 per cent. On the 4th of September he had a conversation with the defendant about some bills which were to become due on the 4th of October. These bills were Richard Mirfin's, who had been called John Mirfin. ydw. Mirfin was then out of the way. On his showing Stamp the list of bills amounting to f:2000, which were to become due on the 4th of October, that he (Richard Mirfin) was to let him have the goods down as early as possible, a lot of Nottingham and Coventry goods, and he could sell them. He (witness) saw Richard Mirfin in September at his house. It was ten o'clock at night, and Mirfin said he had a carriage load of goods down the street. In consequence of this interv►ew he went to Hull, and saw Stamp next morning. He told the latter that Mirfin had sent him down to ask if he (Stamp) would advance £l5OO, provided he sent £l6OO worth of goods and two bills of exchange for £950. They talked the matter over, and Stamp consented. Wit ness went on to say that he had called several times during the Saturday, and Mr. Stamp's young man, who was on a journey, had been advised that he was to go and accompany the goods from Wakefield. When he called he was always told that the goods had not arrived. At length he was told by Mr. Sta►np that he was to call on Monday morning, and the money would be ready for him. He went on Monday morning, .and was told that the goods had arrived, but Mr. Stamp had gone to London. The young man had brought invoices, and he was asked to copy them. He asked why he should copy them, as he had never done so before. It was decided that the heads should be cut from them. Witness produced a letter, which was put in and read. It was ad• dressed to Mr. Stamp, and was an advice of a box of ribbons which were to be addressed " John Wilson, Coach-office, Hull." In the October of last year, Mr. Stamp bad become acquainted with the real name of witness, when he (witness) was a bankrupt at Wakefield. He did not complain at all of his having used the name of Wilson, nor express any surprise thereat. He (witness) was after that indicted for forgery, at the instance of the defendant, for having used the name of Wilson in signing the letters. He surrendered mediately when he heard of the prosecution, and was acquit ted. Mr. ALEXANDER cross-examined the witness for upwards of an hour and a quarter. It appeared that the witness had on another occasion presented himself under an assumed name. He was questioned severely as to whether he had not represented himself as Abraham Gill to Messrs. Schofield and Co., auctioneers, of Sheffield, but this he said he could not remember that he had done. It appeared that Mr. Stamp charged 5 per cent. commission for selling the goods con signed to him, and that this included all the expenses of sale. He (witness) believed he did not represent himself to Messrs. Bardswell, of Sheffield, as George Thomas. To the best of his knowledge he did not. • On this point also the examina lion was severe. He did not represent himself as John Draiu to Mr. Stevenson, of Sheffield. He represented himself as John Wilson to Mr. Sybbull, of Hull, when he called at the bank there. Witness, in reply to the questions of the learned counsel, confessed to having been in business as a draper many times in several places, and to having failed sundry times. He had received large amounts of goods through the Mirfins. It appeared, in the course of the cross-examina tion, that the witness, when convicted at York, was sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment. Mi. Stamp regularly furnished account sales of the goods consigned, and they were regu larly advertised. The examination of this witness occupied altogether upwards of three hours and a half. The examinations of witnesses in the matter of Edward Mirfin, a bankrupt, were put in, and the evidence of Mr. Stamp was read. One part of it was to the effect that Man chester travellers were sometimes taken to his place by the dealers of Ilull to look over his stock, and that they could see his private marks. That a Mr. Redhead, a traveller for a Manchester house, had to point out ma r k s which he said he knew. Mr. Booth produced the accounts of sales and invoiced cost of the goods forwarded on the following dates, namely— on the 6th of July, the inv o i ce cos t was £614 s s . 5d.; - the amount of sales, £517 4s. On the 14th and 15th of July ; invoice cost, £632 ss. lOd.; amount of sales £477 . 55. 3d. On the 10th of August; invoice cost, £3lO 7s. 101 d.; amount of sales, £239 its. • Mr. Redhead stated that he was in the employ of Messrs. Wood, Wales, and Kearaiev. lie remembered being at Mr. Stamp's rooms at Hull, and he said he knew the marks on' some goods there to be Mirtin's. Ile did not say he knew them to be the marks of his employers. Mr. ALEXANDER.—After speaking of the importance of the case to his client, as it involved his character as having been mixed up with the most foul and fraudulent transactions, ,proceeded to comment energetically on the evidence. His client, he said, was charged with having had a guilty know ledge of these fradulent transactions, and that he had only stopped when he found himself a creditor. Yet, it was pro ved that be had continually made large advances on the goods, that he only received £5 per eel+ commission, which included the expencek, and that he only stopped when he dis- covered the connection with the Mirfins; when, in fact, he was a creditor, and, consequently, was apprehensive of danger. His client pleaded that he had made his sales in the regular way of his business, and so it appeared he had. He was a man engaged in extensive transactions, and it was not to be supposed that be would have endadgered himself by allowing .such individuals as these to get into his debt if he had known the reckless course which they were pursuing. He had regularly transmitted the proceeds of those goods to the Mirfins, and it would be, a startling proposition to begin with, that the proceeds of these goods which had already been dis tributed amongst one set of creditors should again be paid by his client to be divided amongst another set. He asked them if they could believe the man upon whom the whole case rested. The learned counsel here proceeded to remark upon the manner and eviden ce of th e w it ness a ll u d e d t o . H e (the witness) had stated the loss on the goods to be £4O per cent., when it was proved that it was only £2O per cent. His LORns H IP said, as to the bankruptcy, the evidence was complete. They had proof sufficient that Mirfin was a trader, of a petitioning creditor's debt, and of an act of bankruptcy The important question into which the case resolved itself was, whether, in the language of the plea, the goods were really received from time to time by the defendant in the way of business, and, that he so sold them without being aware that they were sent to him as the profligate expedients of indivi- duals for fraud. This was the question which the jury had to consider and decide upon. If an act of bankruptcy were committed on the Bth or 9th of June, all the property from that period was divested from the bankrupt and became that of his assignees. But, so far as the defendant was concerned, all depended upon the jury being satisfied that he received the goods and disposed of them in the way of business, with out knowledge of the irregular and improper conduct of those who sent them. The Jury retired. In about ten minutes they returned, and gave in a verdict for the defendant. " The case lasted front nine o'clock in the morning till six in the afternoon. WOOD ANn OTHERS, ASSIGNEES, V. DUNCAN. This action was brought by Messrs. Wood and Sellars, as assignees of Geo. and W. Howarth, bankrupts, against Jas. Duncan, to recover the sum of £649 12s. 4d. His LORDSHIP observed that the case turned merely upon the adjustment of a multitude of minute items of accounts, which were much more proper for settlement by a referee than by a jury. After some consultation amongst the learned counsel and attorneys for plaintiff and defendant, it was agreed to refer the case, subject to the award of Mr. Wightman. This case concluded the btisiness of the assizes. SUICIDE AT THE WATERLOO HOTEL An event of a very tragical nature occurred at the Waterloo Hotel on Monday last. The unhappy sufferer who ter minated his existence, under circumstances evincing an ex traordinary amount of firmness in the consummation of his fatal purpose, arrived in this country on the preceding night, by the Royal William steamer, from New York. We sub jo►n the evidence taken on the coroner's inquest. Ellen Parry, chambermaid at the Waterloo Hotel, stated that the deceased slept at the house. About half-past eleven on ➢Monday morning, wituess went into his bed-room. He was dressing, and was looking into his portmanteau for some thing. Witness gave him a parcel brought by a boy. He told witness to request the boy to wait for an answer. In about an hour after, witness returned to his bed-room, and on opening the door found the deceased lying on his back on the floor, with his throat cut,, and a quantity of blood on the floor. Witness immediately informed one of the waiters below. William Lynn, the proprietor of the Waterloo Hotel, was then examined.. When the deceased came to the hotel, he was accompanied by another gentleman. On being informed that the deceased had cut h►s throat, witness immediately ran into the Lyceum newsroom to look for a medical man. Found Dr. Anderson, who went up stairs to see the deceased, and reported that he was dead. Joseph Anderson was the next witness. On proceeding to the Waterloo Hotel with Mr. Lynn, he was shown to a bed-room, on the floor of which the deceased was lying with his throat cut. The windpipe was completely severed. The deceased appeared to have been dead some time. He had evidently made two cuts. On the floor witness saw the razor now produced. There was a silk handkerchief twisted round the handle—for the purpose, evidently, of getting a better hold of the handle. The razor was knotched at the edge, and as the bone of the vertebrae was cut, witness was of opinion, that the knotches were occasioned by cutting against it. Death must have been instantaneous. Witness was of opi nion that very great force had been used. . James Johnson stated that he was a surgeon. He arrived here on Sunday last by the Royal William, from New York. Witness knew the deceased, who was also a passenger on board of the same vessel. The medical adviser of the de ceased, at New York, informed witness that the deceased had undergone an operation for the piles, and that his health was much improving. 'Witness made an examination of the de ceased, and found he was doing well. On the passage he laboured occasionally under extreme depression of spirits, which witness attributed to the effect his ailment had on his general health. Witness did not consider him out of his mind, but weak. Witness had to be very cross with him, and reasoned with- him, which sometimes had the effect of rousing him. Witness anticipated what had taken place, from his desponding state. So strong was this impression on the mind of witness that, while proceeding on Monday to keep an appointment with the deceased, he passed the dead-house in Chapel-street, and, seeing a crowd of persons around it, was apprehensive he might find the deceased there. Under the circumstances, he did not think it was prudent to alarm his friends. George Nicholson stated that he also arrived from New York by the Rbyal William. The deceased was a friend of witness. His name was Alexander Cruikshank. He was a native of Scotland. .He left. Surinam in a very bad state of health, and was very desponding. Witness and . deceased put up at the Waterloo Hotel. They breakfasted together on the morning of the catastrophe. Witness afterwards took deceased to Silver's, where he was measured for some clothes. The deceased said he would return to the hotel, and witness fixed to meet him at two o'clock. The deceased appeared much as usual, and intended to have loft for London on Tuesday night if his clothes had been ready. lie was thirty six years of age. _ . Tile jury, after an inspection of the body, returned a ver dict of " temporary insanity." STEAM NAVIGATION OF THE ATLANTIC. The New York Weekly Whig of the 4th of August has the following reflection upon the intended. departure of the Royal William Four steam-vessels like the British Queen, or larger, would be able to keep open a communication, methodically, between the eastern and western hemispheres throughout the year, and without the slightest interruption, giving to each steam ship fifteen days at sea, and one week in port. Our packet ships have been, heretofore, of great service in this respect; but their arivals at Liverpool or New York, as the case may be, can never be so regular as is the case with the steamers. These before-mentioned four steam ships, we will say of three thousand tons each, will cost one million six hundred thou sands dollars, allowing the cost of each to be four hundred thousand. Steam-vessels of this size would be able to carry twelve hundred tons frieght, and one hundred and fifty passengers; also two thousand dollars worth of letters and parcels. We will throw this estimation into a tabular form, for the plainer inspection of our readers. 1200 tons freight at 8 dollars per t0n....10,400 dol. 150 passengers, average 150 dollars each. 22,500 „ Letters and parcels. 2,000 „ 34,900 Thus, at the end of each passage, each steamer would re turn thirty-four thousand nine hundred dollars, or at the end of each trip, sixty-nine thousand eight hundred dollars. At the least calculation, each steamer would make seven trips in a year, thereby bringing in four hundred and eighty-nine thousitnd six hundred dollars. The four vessels at this rate would return, afterone year'ssuccessful running, one million nine hundred and fifty-eight thousand four hundred dollars. The annexed statement will exhibit at a glance our estimate of each steamer. ~. ......,......._____.. Dollars. Interests on capital invested at 6 per cent 24,0(X) Insurance at 5 per cent 20,000 Depteciation at 10 per cent 40,0(X) The wages'of 100 seamen, including officers, averag- • ing twenty dollars each per mouth.. 24,000 Wines and eatables throughout the year, about. 75,0X30 Cost of coals, allowing 1000 tons each trip to each steamer for the year, at 8 dollars per ton. 239,000 It is generally allowed by our shipowners, when they are making their estimates for ship-building, that the vessel will run ten years; and the depreciation is reckoned accordingly. Perhaps our estimate in regard to wines and eatables may be considered too high; but it is our opipion that the calcu lation above is rather low. It is perceived that we have in cluded the officers and crew all together; the reason of our doing this was, that we could not learn precisely, or near, the salary of the officers; but suppose the compensation of the commanders to be three thousand dollars per annum, or thereabouts, and the above estimate is made up accordingly. Now to come at the probable profits of vessels of this descrip tion, we must divide two hundred and thirty-nine thousand by seven, which-is the number we have allowed to each steam ship as the trips during one year. We do this to see if there will be any gain arising (ruin the enterprise, for, unless these is a fair per centage reaped by, running such steamers as we have mentioned, American shipowners will decline having anything to do With them, choos►ng rather to stick to their• packet•ships, which pay an exceedingly handsome profit. But to the divisiori. Two hundred and thirty-nine thousand divided by seven, and u•e have the dividend 0f.... 34,143 dol. Receipts of each trip 35,657 This shows to us a profit of thirty-five thousand six hun dred and fifty-seven dollars for each trip. This we do not give to our readers to form any opinion in regard to the ex penses and receipts of•bither the Sirius, Great Western, or Royal William steam ships, for it is well known that the American and British Steam-packet Company, together with the Great 'Western and Atlantic Associations, have lost con siderable in the enterprise thus far. The Great Western steam-vessel is about thirteen hundred tons burthern, and can accommodate over one hundred passengers, allowing that some will take berths down in the cockpit, and she can carry about four hundred tons freight. Now unless she goes full every trip, her owners will not reap much benefit from her receipts ; but a vessel of the size of the British Queen will be able to carry eight hundred tons 'freight, and about one hundred and fifty passengers: therefore, vessels of this class, or larger, will, if successful, return a very large per centage to the builders, as our estimate above exhibits. The fact is, it will cost but a little more to run the British Queen than it does the Great Western; consequently the gain will he much-greater than in proportion to the size of the vessels. By the time twelve months have moved round, they will have the machinery in such perfection, and their economising powers so well arranged, that those who enter the field will reap a rich harvest.. There will undoubtedly a number of companies start up, and run steamers for a time, but by the system of buying in and the like, they will dwindle down to three or four substantial associations. As the business is now rather unprofitable, American shipowners and masters will be very backward in joining English companies, or establishing lines of their own ; but as soon as the business begins to pay, and is placed on a sure footing, as it undoubt edly will be, then our merchants will enter the field and start steamers of their own, built in this country, and commanded by Americans. When it comes to this, our present packet ships will be turned into freighting vessels altogether, and we shall have steam-ships arriving here from Europe as re gular as our Providence steam-boats now do. OPERATIVE PROTESTANT ASSOCIATION.--Last evening a meeting of the members of this association was held in the school room, i❑ Hackin's-hey, for the purpose of getting up a testimonial to present to the Rev. I'. D. Gregg, for his recent splendid triumph over the champion of Roman Catholicism, the Rev. T. Maguire, and for his manly upholding of the principles of Protestautism. Measures were taken for ob taining a subscription for this object. Mr. CLARKE'S BENEFIT.—The season has again arrived when the spirited manager of the Theatre-Royal takes his benefit, which is announced for Monday evening next. We need hardly say that there will be a crowded and fashionable house. The attractions are indeed numerous. Mr. and Miss Vandenhoff are announced to play along with the cele t►rated comedian Harley; and quaint little Keeley and Mrs. Keeley are also announced for that evening, and Mr. F. Vining. The comedy of the "Provoked Husband" is to be brought out with the afterpieces of "The Loan of a Lover" and "High Life Below Stairs." Thus we know, on that night, there will be . squeezing work at the theatre, both above and below stairs. cz - 7:z rrxt x Af" •• ; • • if ``~• t • $ b - - .44" POLICE I2GTELLIGENCE. ROBBING A TILL.---At the Police-office, on Friday, a boy named Shaw was brought before Mr. Hall, charged with robbing the till of Mrs. Hastie, publican, Torbuck-street. The boy,•accompanied by a man and another boy, entered the house in questionson the afternoon of the preceding day, and called for some ale. The apartment in which they seated themselves communicated with the bar. While the servant went below to draw the ale, the prisoner proceeded to empty the till, which contained some forty or fifty shillings. In doing this, however, be was clumsy enough to let some of the silver fall, and the servant hearing it immediately gave the alarm, which the prisoner and his comrogues construed into a notice to quit. The prisoner, as Rob Roy bath it, was "easily found by his friends, andAtilim_are_tasily-hy-ia foes,"—for, in his flight - dolin the street, he rushed 'into the arms of a policeman, who was waiting to receive him. His flight was a little impeded by having crammed a quantity of the silver into his shoes, little ithegining,'perhaps, that his exit would be so peecipitous. He was committed to take his trial at the sessions. A POCKET FuLL.—Yesterday, at the - Police-office, one of the constables of St. John's Market preferred a charge against a female for stealing some butter:. He said he saw her going away in a great hurry from a stall and endeavouring to put a pound of butter in her pocket; he stopped her, and on enquiry, found that she had stolen the butter. He search ed her, and found in her pocket a tumbler glass, a knife and fork and nine eggs! all. of which he found she had stolen. None of the parties appeared against her from whom she bad taken these things, and she was ordered to be discharged. STEALING A NV ATCH.—Yesterday. at the Police-office, one of the horde of thieves that prowl about the town steal ing whatever they can lay their hands on, named Charles Marshall, was charged by the servant of one Patrick Daley, with having stolen a watch out of his kitchen. The servant girl said, that between 8 and 9 o'clock on Saturday night, she went out to get a quart of porter for the family, and was about three minutes away, and when she returned she met the prisoner coming up the kitchen steps. She said to him, "you young rascal, what are you doing down those steps ?" He asked if Mr. Stephenson boarded there? She told him to go to the front door and enquire; he had no business there. On entering the kitchen, and looking on the shelf, she found the watch was gone. Onlooking after the pri soner she found he was gone too. She gaie an alarm and a description of him to a policeman, and he soon after appre hended him; but the watch was missing. Mr. Hall commented on the carelessness of the servant in leaving the kitchen in that sort of way. Twenty persons might have entered it. It was merely a case of suspicion. Air. Parkinson said . the pri soner had been in custody before, and was an associate of thieves. The prisoner swore positively he was never near the house at all. The girl, however, was confident as to his identity, and Mr. Hall committed him for 3 months to the House of Cot rection. " WATCHES WERE MADE TO Go."—Yesterday, at the Policeoffice, a thievish looking young scamp, named Charles Dillon, was placed before the magistrates, charged with hav ing robbed a drunken looking man, named Stewart Bond, of his watch. The complainant stated, that about ten o'clock, on Saturday night, he was coming up Castle -street, and met the prisoner accompanied by two other men, and he (the pri soner) ran up against him, and said, well my hearty," and at the same instant snatched his watch. out of his waistcoat pocket, and ran off, " and here's the guard," said the com plainant, as with a lack-a-daisical face he held up to view a shattered watch guard, made of black beads, which seemed to be in mourning for the loss of its accustomed appendage. " I found my watch was gone," said the complainant, " and the thief with it, and I cried, stop, stop,' but my watch was made to go, and wouldn't stop. I told the policeman of what had happened, and he followed, and took the prisoner into custody." Police officer, 40, stated, that on being in formed of what had occurred, and seeing some men running he asked which was the thief, and having the prisoner pointed out to him, he followed, and• after a sharp chase captured him in Lancelot's-hey. The complainant was quite sober when he saw him. The prisoner called his sister, who swore she saw the complainant robbed, and that it was by another party of men, and not by her brother; and that the com plainant was drunk. The Bridewell keeper was examined as to whether the complainant was drnnk or sober, and he said he was drunk. Mr. Hall said, it was of no use com mitting the prisoner, for no jury would find him guilty on the evidence of a drunken man. The prisoner said he was a tailor by trade. Mr. Parkinson said he was a thief by trade. Mr. Hall remanded the case for further inquiry, as he could not depend on the evidence of a drunken man as to identity. PASSING BAD SOVEREIGNS.—TeSterday, at the Police office, a man named John Dixon, was placed *before the magistrates, charged with attempting to pass bail sovereigns. The prisoner was put into the custody of an officer on Fri day, on a similar charg.,e, but made his escape. It appeared from the evidence of Mrs. Hope, of the Horse and Jockey, public-house, in Gilbert-street, that on Thursday last, the prisoner came to her house, and purchased two glasses of wine, for which he gave her a good sovereign in payment, and asked for change. She was going away to get change, wben he said, " surely you have that much ?" She replied, " Yes, I have." He,requested the sovereign to be returned. Pre sently he said, " never mind, I want change," and gave her another sovereign, which she immediately discovered to be a bad one. She returned it to him, and he gave her a.: good one instead of it. Policeman 207, said he took the prisoner into custody on Saturday night, and had him searched in. Bridewell, and seven good sovereigns, and a bad half so vereign were found upon him. Mr. Dowling said many of the publicans had suffered severely by these sort of tricks. If Mr. Hall would allow the case to be adjourned to Wed nesday, he believed he should have some further evidence. The prisoner was accordingly remanded till Wednesday. ASSAULT ON BOARD THE NEW BRIGHTON STEAMER.— Yesterday, at the police office, an individual named Peter Taylor, one of the class of pugili s t s i n thi s t own, who are in the habit of kicking up rows for the purpose of bragging over their fellows, and exhibiting their "science," was -placed be fore the magistrates, charged by a gentleman named Moxon, a surgeon, from Huddersfield, in Yorkshire, with-assaulting him on Sunday night on board the New. Brighton Steamer, and giving him a black eye. Mr. Moxon.stated that he was a stranger in the town, and was r e t urn i ng on Sunday even ing from New Brighton, when it be gan t o ra i n, and in crowd ing into the cabin a disturbance to o k pl ace on 'be ard the a ';he im me di ate l y afterwards saw t ee led —(the man o f " S ' c i ence, " )— which e which the d e f en d ant got well the fight, ei screamed enat s r r struck a nd toa a s h o f emale y s o r t of basted. This passed over, and he (complainant) was standing on deck, and the defendant came towards him and - wanted to know why he had received so many blows ? He (complain ant) said, " you should not have struck at a woman , ?:" The defendant retorted—"d—n , your eyes I'll s t r ik e you, " and immediately strucrliiin a videnlblow on the face, which gave him a black eye. The defendant had'sinceiried to compro mise the matter with him, but having heard the man's charac ter, he thought it his duty to bring the case before the ma gistrates. Mr. Crewe, who appeared for the defendant, en deavoured to show that the steamer was on the Cheshire shore, and out of Mr. Hall's jurisdiction ; and then that the defend ant had been irritated, and struck the complainant in mistake. Mr. Hall said there was no mitigating circuinstance. The assault was most distinctly proved by a respectable person, who having seen him first raise his fist against a - woman and strike her, told him he ought not to do it, and he then imme diately struck him. He must pay 40s, and costs: COURT OF REQUESTS PATENT DECORATING SOClETY.—Yesterday, at the Court of Requests, a miserable, cadaverous looking individual named Smith, appeared before the Commissioner to prefer a complaint against John Cutter, a "tailor by- trade," to complain that the said John Cutter owed him a suit of clothes, for which he had received £3 10s.- worth of cloth, and had refused to give up the cloth or cut it out to ornament the complainant's outward man, but instead of either bad given the complainant the cut direct. The complainant was a member of a clothes' club, yclept the " patent decorating society," and the defendant-had th e di st i nguished honour of being tailor to the club. The defendant having been sworn, was asked his reason for cutting such a caper, and proceeded to say—'` I'll tell you how it is; it's a club, NOR see—a clothes club, and I'm only the tailor.. Accordin to the rules and riggllations each mimber pays so much-a week." Commissioner.—" Have you those rules?" Defendant.—"No, I haven't; I des say. I could, find'em their at my house, up Fidler's Alley —you know ?" The Commissioner shook his head. • Defendant.—" Well, but 1 was a telling 'of * yen. The rules and iiggleations of this Patent Decoratin ;Society is, that every member shall pay so much a week, for so long, and hey a suit o' clothes; and I'm tailor to the society. The suit o' clothes is £5, and that's subscribed every week. And if the clothes is a fit and suits the member, I gets the mo ney. If he doesn't like the suit, and they doe sn 't su i t him, and me. the H s o u l : s t s e vreert,utrhneeyd fusseson ti y r bands, t a i c o e d . The Commissioner shook his head. tl b h o ga x et — t ds y one o os u nl : sn o t ? " money Defendant continued—" to know whose turn it is to gel suited, and it came this man's turn. And one o' the rules and riggleations is, that if any member doesn't pay his sub scription for three weeks, he's to be expelled and bis money forfeited." _ . Complainant—(much agitated).--" Six weeks, if you please." Commissioner.—" Well, I have no doubt it is one of the many illegal societies which exist in the town and whi c h ought to be put down. I must.see the rules and regulations. Come again to-morrow, at one o'clock, and bring the rules with you." The parties then made their exit. CHURCH IN IRELAND. We beg to call the earnest attention of our readers to an advertisement which appears in another part of our paper, respecting the building of a church in - Dunnurlin, and also to the following letter which we have received on the same subject : My Christian Brethren of the Established:Chureh; • : . Liverpool. DEAR BRETHREN,—As a minister of the establishe d 61urch, and with the concurrence of the Lord Bishop of the diocese in which 1 reside, I am constrained to leave my flock for a season, that I may advocate their cause, and mukt'known their wants to benevolent Englishmen. My spi - rereqif spiri tual labor lies in Dunnuclin, county Kerry, the mtst - Western and secluded parish in Ireland. Four parishes are given me in charge, in three of which are regular and full Sabbath ser vices. There neither is or ever has been a Protestant place of worship in any of those parishes, and there is no fund what ever, parochial or national, available to erect churches. By mere sufferance am I permitted to preach the gospel to my poor benighted countrymen, in the watch-houses belongin to the Coast Guard Service; but the Lord has• so signallyg blessed the word, (chiefly through the medium of'the Irish language,) that my congregation has•increasedina very con siderable degree. But where shall we worship the LOtd "in decency and in order ?" Has the Lord no people to build him an house? Shall we dwell sumptuously white The.iminis ters of God in a christian emplie are forced to admiliister her holy ordinances (in many instances) - exposed - to - the incle mency of the weather? MY - object is to build a church attached to the parish of which lam the incumbent. The estimated cost of the him- We sanctuary is only £350, and for this purpose I solicit the charitable sympathy of a people who can serve their' Lord and Saviour amidst " happier homes and altars free:" Having received much kindness and encouragement from my christian brethren of Liverpool, a meeting (D. V.) be held on Friday evening ❑ext, at Seven o'clock,. .at St. amore de tailed Andrew's School, to forward the above mentioned object where, supported by the undersigned clergymen, I 'would us of hearing entreat the attendance of all who love the purity 'of our common d fa p i a th rt , ic a u n l d ar w s h t Dear Brethren, , I remain yours, in the best bonds, GEORGE G. GUBBINS, Rector of Dunnurlin, 26th Aug. 1838. 28, Falkner-street, Hope-street, Liverpool. We have seen and conversed with th e writer of the above. and feel the circumstances of his case to be so , peenliar, and his reasonable prospect of usefulness (if assiste4Yto be So encouraging, that we venture ,to and the attention and in terest of our christian brethren, and hope they will join us in g i v i ng Mr. Gubbins a hearing on Friday evening,. oate7neendte.si "1 HUGH 111`NTEItE. • R. P. BUDDICOM.. THE ANNUAL LICENSING SESSIONS,—YeSterCIay, at the Sessions-house, Crawford Logan, Esq., and Christopher Rawdon, Esq., two of her Majesty's justices of the 'peace, held the usual annual licensing sessions. A great number of licenses were transferred, and the ordinary business of the sessions transacted. The court will sit till the whole of the business is got through, probably some days.