The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1841-11-16 00:00:00

iaUEZ:ti ANL/ to a one) of tt r, and humour, all lipps and We former the forenoon hour he hug( say," " the Isles ter and F 13,1841 RE INFANT PRINCE Nov. 13, 1841 " Half-past nine, a. m -lad r asir;;le unfavourable symptom atinues MES CLARK, M•D• LococK, M.D. " ROBERT FERGUSON, M.D " CH ALE RICHARD BLAGDEN N DOWAGER yrorra the Times.) Majesty's healtu received in town on Dowager has had some sleep during the complaint has undergone no essential " W. F. CHAMBERS, M.D " D. DAVIES, M.D. arough-house yesterday was slept for some hours during s cough is of a less distressing " W. F. CH - AMBERS, M.D " D. DAVIES, M.D. former practice, that of having one bulk irse of the day, about eleven o'clock on second communication was received at se from Sndbury-hall, stating that there apparent amendment iu the condition of versally respected lady. cell established for the purpose of car t] plan for forming harbours ans of floating breakwaters have given ion to apply to parliament for an act to nstruct a breakwater and harbour at >ject excites great interest. Immediately after a funeral which itton, Cornwall, last week, and when the ; of the deceased had scarcely left the grave of their amented friend, the gravedigger, and a mason employed st him, were detected in robbing the grave (a walled bricks used for that purpose, and earring them to le churchyard, which the same parties were fy fbr another corpse intended Chronicli says, that "this year's potato in, render fully an average pro of Ireland. The favourable ist fortnight has worked miracles for the )red what was considered lost." This is s for the faminemongers. We learn from a correspondent that an arrangement will, lity, be shortly made, for sending the mail from :dinburgh in twenty-six hours. When that is rson will be very well able to leave Brighton at )'clock on one morning, and be in Edinburgh If-past 11—a distance of no less than xt morr —lt is a curious circumstance,that vocalist, Power, the famous Irish little inferior to Power for genuine net with violent and unprovided deaths. Phi .ere killed when travelling by coach (the ind the fate of poor Power is fresh in the Examine ability, if the clergy are now active, that the £lOO,OOO so long withheld from them by the ient ; £40,000 of it has been repaid by the Eccle- siasticle Commissioners, to whom it was lent, and now is de posited in the Bank of Ireland. The clergy have been paid only 30 per cent. on the arrears, out of which Lord Melbourne ed that they should have 70 per cent. It is better at tardy justice should be done.—Limerick than never, tL Chronici st, John Parker Mayer, an attorney, from Lis clerk, John Bratton, were committed to ouse of Correction under a bench warrant, r finding sureties for their appearance at the to take their trial on a charge of conspiracy *he robbery of the office of Messrs' Skerratt bath, in January last. --Chester Courant. —We are happy to hear that E. J. dith, has munificently offered to en ednesbury, when built, with a moiety s, amounting to about £7O per annum. The ms have already been given towards the erection : £500; W. Jones, Esq., £100; J. Crow -1; and Sir E. D. Scott, Bart., £lOO. We xdale, Esq., is likely to give the site. The ideed we may say the necessity, of such an urches of the neighbourhood, will be evident n the fact that Wednesbury has at present ilthough it possesses a population of 11,627. in default of and Rimer, of Sa CHURCH LIBERALITY tono S. Addison, Esy underitand J. Lo desirabler —Sta f fordshire Gazett MURDEF ILL OUT.-A mason of La Marche, in the lately undertook, for a reward of 10f., to carry the child of a poor neighbour to the Hospice at next day the _body of the infant was found The unfortunate mother, hoping that at a might be able to reclaim her child, had 11 name and the name of its godmother , and sewed it to part of the dress. This ated by the water, and led to the ascer ity of the child. The man has not yet the officers of justice are in pursuit of Autun, hut 7 SMER IN SHEFFIELD.—About rnid-day on of the names of Stringer and Rogers, who re, were quarrelling near the Brown Cow, Rogers stabbed Stringer in the most side and neck, so as to let out his 4t. quite through. Stringer died on terday, about eleven o'cock, up to which y. There are strange reports n implicating both parties, as s, in a robbery at Heeley, and about the division of the spoil. urs assert that Stringer's con- more immediate occasion of gi Id TION OF LONDON.—At the conclusion of the e Court of Common Council on Wednesday on ,f the birth of the Prince of Wales, Sir W. Hey casion to remark, that it must be a source of gra exercise the ancient privilege of personal access ie on an event which had occurred on the day the coming into office of the Chief Magistrate, new Lord Chancellor, in his expressive lan red, that he delighted to see him surroun d e d by ancien and the corporation still sion of all the power and revenue Which it had )yed in maintaining the old hospitality of the pporting the just freedom of the people. There a Lordship added, when he almost despaired lt, but it might now be said " The storm had ad they were delivered." JRDINARY PREVALENCE OF SLUGS UPON CORN.— ving mode of destroying these insects, from whose e young corn receives much inlury, may interest ltural readers :—Mr. Tillier, a farmer of great re living at Harmondsworth, finding a prodigious slugs on his wheat lands, has employed4o women s in destroying them. The plan he has adopted 'meads of turnip leaves over the land, and in - 6 to shake the slugs off those leaves ; they have been shaken into baskets, and however astonishing it may appear, no less than 20 bushels of slugs have been thus de stroyed upon 42 acres in the three weeks. These destructive little vermin, but for this precaution, would have so much injured the seed in its early stage of vegetation, that there would at the most have been only half a crop, unless the land had been sown a second time, a plan at all times bad, inde pendent of the expense. The follo‘l ravages thl LAMENTABLE ACCIDENT.—TWO BROTHERS DROWNED. :asday afternoon, about four o'clock, two fishermen, brothers, named Reynolds, belonging to the Blue-eyed Maid, fishing-smack, of Dover, were drowned about a mile off that port, under the following circumstances :—The vessel was approaching the harbour to land some fish, and finding, from the state of the tide, that she could not enter, a number of baskets of fish were placed in the boat, into which the two Reynolds also entered to pull her ashore. The boat was then towed astern, and the smack, to give her a lift on her way, stood for the harbour, when, by the sudden jerk of the pain ter, together with the heavy swell, the boat was upset, and both men washed out of her. Unfortunately, at the time, iething went wrong with the net, or the rigging of the ck, and the two people left on board were unable to do any g with her for some time. A line was, however, hove `he smack to the men, and we understand one of them but was unable to hold on, and that the other had boat, but could not keep it, from the force with Nged through the water. It appears both nmers, and that one of them remained `inne. but no assistance being at hand, )r a long both ultimately sank to rise no more 7n-clerks of boroughs have received orders from the ice to make a return of the names of all justices I in the borough commissions of the peace, speci as have died or have ceased to be resident within required by the act. leir to the throne of these realms is not yet, as is ily supposed, " Prince of Wales ;" but he is " Prince Britain"' " Duke of Cornwall," " Duke of Rothe- Earl of Carrick,", " Baron of Renfrew," " Lord of i"—within the week he will be created Earl of Ches ?rince of Wales. The priestess of that far-famed temple of Hymen, the Sark Toll-bar, in her evidence on a trial for bigamy lately at Cockermouth, strted that thirteen hundred couples had been married there within the last six years. This, however, is exclusive of the number married by the " bishop of Gretna Hall," which is one of the principal places of refuge for per cuted lovers.--Carlisle Journal. Tui GUANO MANUKE.—It is with much pleasure we can speak from personal observation of the wonderful beneficial and nutritive qualities of this manure. We allude more par ticularly to the testimony of Mr. Nott, of the parish of Hallen, in Worcestershire, where we were eye-witnesses, not than four weeks ago, of the facts he has stated to the ny, who are with such praiseworthy intentions at ig to introduce this manure into general use. The only tear we entertain is the limit and costliness of the sup -Bristol Journal. ternptir NMENT INTENTIONS ON CHURCH-RATES.—We ate that the information professed to have 13irmingham from Sir James Graham, to ,f,overnment would adopt Lord Althorp's 3SIS of a settlement of the disputed matter totally unfounded. We are, on the con ded that so far from the present govern ilate the principle of the national sauc ed church, which the church-rate em lsed, as they are bound, to uphold, with rer and authotity, this the most ancient, d indispensable element of the British it to sta r, Nov. 12 . —There is not present in the Hop M ar k et, nor is i ll h e until after the duty has been the quotations we have reported ree weeks, with little 'variation. exhibited on Saturday's market, utticient fox the wants of the is called £13,500. Present • 1405.-1839's 75s cumcc, . s, J 65. to 755. ; choice, 80s. 63;. —Weighed on market day, the week, new pockets • SoLosS.—A few days ago, a couple of Ittencled• before the magistrates in Kendal, ants passed. The first of them had the Ta laying a county rat 45." Said the I was hey larnad to spell befo re I 'd a le magistrates. A county rat, in bed an e at latter end on 't, resented- his " buik " to be ." To sum- act appeared [est !!! ". NOO," said the first con speller noo. I think the grey The two solons now left the our au spectabilit number of the rnor oLcIV ni _ ; the first with high delight at his vic q?.!ijtiWyggpd witn much chagrin at his -officiousness. UNITED 3T. 'F The paoket•ship Garrick arrived here on Saturday theen. frig, shortly before eleven o'clock, after an excellent passage of n►neteen days. She passed Holyhead on Friday after- , ~ ... _ .„..., ....._ noon at three. The stormy state of the weather prevented her arrival last night, and some little apprehension was felt for her safety. She has, however, weathered the storm bravely, and arrived in excellent trim. She brings papers to the 25th ult. The Hon. John Forsyth, Secretary of State under Van Buren's administration, died of congestive fever at Washing ton, after an illness of three weeks. He was a man of con siderable talent, had tilled various high offices, and was deeply regretted by all parties. The Montreal Courier, of the 18th ult., states that M' Leod arrived there in the Princess Victoria steamer, and a cor respondent of the Troy Daily Whig writes that the sheriff of Oneida County and two officers of the U. S. army, es corted and safely landed him at St. John's, &c. The story told in the Boston papers of M'Leod's sailing in the last Cunard steamer, under the name of Browne, is therefore a hoax. The Prince de Joinville was about visiting Boston, where great preparations were being made to receive him. The mortality at New Orleans continued to increase. During the week ending October 11th, the number of deaths amounted to 118, out of which number 115 had been carried off by yellow fever. The yellow fever is stated to be more violent that it had been for several preceding rears. The steam packet Columbia, Captain Judkins, reached Boston between seven and eight o'clock on the 21st ult. She had a most unusally rough passage, and head winds nearly all the way, with very heavy gales. She made the passage in 15 days 16 hours, thus proving these Boston steamers to be capital sea boats. She took out 117 passengers, among whom was Lord Morpeth. NEW YORK MONEY MARKET, OCT. 25. There was rather a large amount of state securities sold at the Stock Exchange to-day, and at an advanced price. The principal sales of other descriptions of stock were Delaware and Hudson United States Bank, and Harlem, which im proved considerably upon the sales of yesterday. The recent accounts from Europe do not seem to influence stock tran sactions generally, to any extent, though it is the prevailing opinion that monetary affairs have now reached the very lowest point, and any change from which must be of a fa vourable character. It is rumoured in Wall-street that ar rangements have been made by Mr. Jaudon for the payment of the interest on the hypothecated bonds, held in England and on the continent, which may have been in some degree the cause of the slight advance in prices upon the sales of to day. There have been no sales of cotton worth reporting, but holders still continue firm. At present there is no variation in prices to be noticed. There is a fair demand for flour—yesterday more activity was to be observed, and appearances seem to indicate an ad vance in prices generally, We make our quotations of Bran dy-wine 6,25 to 6,371 dollars ; Georgetown 6 dollars • Ge nesee 6 dollars; Ohio 6 doll ars ; Mi c hi gan 5 , 87* to 6 dollars; 1200 bushels Virgiania wheat sold for 124 c. A cargo of Jer sey corn brought 70c. measure ; Southern corn is selling at 65c. 4500 bushels oats sold at 49 to 49*c. Small parcels barley sold at 59 to 60c., according to quality. Ashes—About 100 barrel; pots sold for 6,371 dollars, and we learn that small sales were made at 6,25 dollars. Pearls are held at 6 dollars. Since the above was in type we are put in possession of American paper of several days later date. The British and North American royal mail steamer the Columbia, Captain Judkins which left B os t on on t h e afternoon of the Ist, and Halifax on the afternoon of the 4th instant, arrived in the Mersey at eleven o'clock yestsrday morning. She encountered strong head winds during the passage, but has completed the whole in 13 days and 20 hours. The passage from Halifax has beee made under 11 days. She has brought 43 passengers. The papers from New York are to the 30th ult. six days later than those mentioned as brought by the Garrick. Boston Journals to the Ist, and Halifax to the 4th instant have also been received. The intelligence brought by the Columbia is unimportant. It will be seen from the abstract of the log published elsewhere that the Columbia met the Britannia entering Halifax on the evening of the 4th inst. The popular results of the elections are most curious and interesting, says the Herald. In fifteen states the whigs have lost about 150,000 votes—the democrats about 50,000 —giving a gain to the latter of 100,000. From this it is argued that the policy of Captain Tyler is approved, and that this vast majority is in favour of giving the present adminis tration a fair chance of shewing its fruits. Much speculation is indulged in by the papers as to the relations subsisting between Mr. Tyler and several members of the administra , tion, but the Herald maintains in spite of much misrepre sentation to the contrary, that the utmost harmony subsists between every member. M`Leod had been entertained at a public dinner by the citizens of Montreal. He made a long speech on his health being drunk. He denied, most positively, the charge against him, that he had boasted of his having participated in the Caroline affair. Sir Richard Jackson, Governor-General of Canada, in a letter to the Governor of Vermont, had declared that, if, on investigation, officers or soldiers in her Majesty's service had been implicated in the seizure of Grogan, he should not fail to visit the offence with the utmost rigour. The new revolution in Mexico was proceeding vigorousely. The following is a brief notica of the state of the affairs in the republic : " Havana papers, received at New Orleans, contain advices from the city of Mexico to 2nd of September, at at which time insurrection was in full progress. Gen. Va lencia made a grit() on the 31st August, for the constitution of 1824, being at the head of a considerable military force. The alarm quickly spread and a number of edifices com manding the citadel were occupied by the insurgents. " Bustamente and his party fortified themselves in the palace, but up to the 2d of September no attempt to dislodge the insurgents had been made, Valencia contenting himself with holding his position until the arrival of Santa Ana, and Bustamente not daring to attack him. The students at the military academy had joined Valencia. His force was more than 1,600 men, with 18 pieces of cannon ; that of Busta mente, about 1,600." The popish party in New York, headed by Bishop Hughes and the priests, had commenced a fierce movement on the school question, and in opposition to the present system which appears open to all. But this is not the half of the story. The opportunity was seized upon by Hughes and his compeers for the purpose of displaying the most outrageous and ferocious feelings. A list of candidates was read at the meeting, and every individual present pledged to support them. Lord Morpeth left Boston for Niagara Falls on the 26th ult., having dined on the preceding day at the mansion of tha Hon. H. Grey Olis, with a large party, consisting of John Quincy Adams, Judge Story, Professor Picknor, and other literati. His lordship purposes visiting Washington in the course of the winter, to watch the workings of the Yankee political machinery. The Express gives a strange but plausible confession on the part of the man Colt, of the particulars connected with the murder of Mr. Adams, the printer. It is more ingsnious than probable. The current rate for bills on England was 1091 to 1191 per cent. premium, at which, and intermediate rates, a rather better business than usual had been transacted for the Columbia. Ou Paris the rate was sf. 20 to 25f. 181; and a fair, though not large, business had been done. The New York American, of the evening of the 30th ult., gives the following account of the crops, the money and stock markets, &c. " The returns from the agricultural parts of our country show great abundance, and we annex a table of prices of wheat and flour at various points, showing a reduction in prices from our last dates. " The cotton crop is also coming in pretty rapidly, and, although low prices may be looked for in all descriptions of produce, and were it not for our financial difficulties, we should say that the tide of commercial prosperity was again flowing over our land. " Money continues sufficiently abundant for all purposes, and, notwithstandjng the large export of specie, our Banks still hold about 6,000,000 dollars; and if the Southern Banks resume, which, we trust, will be the case this winter, this amount must increase rather than diminish, as now New York and Boston have to supply all demands. " The rate of Exchange on London continues at 94 to 10 per cent., and some few sales at 10i per cent. ; but few Southern bills have yet made their appearance in the market, and the demand has rather exceeded the supply. " Domestic exchanges an the discount points have rather improved, while the rates of discount on Philadelphia and Baltimore have rather increased. The disinclination of the banks in the former city, now that they are rid of the incubus of the United States Bank, is believed to proceed from conscious inability, and the probability is, that the people of Pennsylvania will have to suffer from their want of moral firmness in not following the example of New York. " The advantages of a specie currency are now felt in Charleston, which is taking a large amount of trade which formerly went to Savannah. And if New Orleans would only set the example, which they can easily do, their specie being as one to four of their circulation and deposits, we are satis fied that, in three months' time, the currency of the south and west would be as sound as that of this city." The Commercial Advertiser, of the same date, says : " The stock market, generally, is without animation, one or two descriptions excepted, in which the transactions have been large. The general tendency is downward, and it is very difficult to excite a speculation in the street. State stocks have also fallen off in the belief expressed by many, that the States will be unable to meet the payment of the January interest. The non-resumption at the west and south is operating unfavourably upon the branches of busi ness, and will continue so to do until the doctrine of legalizing suspensions is totally exploded." COTTON TRADE. (FROM THE NEW YORK HERALD, OF THE 30TH.) This market has remained steady in prices since our last, with moderate transactions, both for shipment and home use. The quantity taken for the latter purpose continues yearly to increase, and was, for the year ending October 1, 1841, 297,288 bales, not including the cotton manufactured in Virginia and south of it. The quantity taken at Boston, by the manufactures, is rapidly increasing, as follows : 1841. 1840. 1839. 1838 IMPORTS OF COTTON AT BOSTON 144,582 1837 117,594 1836......... 104,268 1835 96,636 82,648 82,885 80,709 The question of the crop is now the absorbing one as usual, at this season of the year, but we think it attract s l ess o f interest this year, from the fact, that the manner of doing business is about to undergo a change. The speculative bank paper system is exploded, and without it there are but few who have sufficient capital to enter the market to an extent sufficient to influence prices in advance. Large or small, the prices must be regulated more by the supply, as it actually meets the effective demand from the manufacturers. There will be less buyers to hold for a rise, consequently, what is to be the extent of the crop becomes less a matter of interest. The accounts from the south thus far, however, agree very generally, that the weather, which had been favourable, had lately become less so, and the yield of the crop was, there fore, less promising, but that the crop will much exceed that of last year, and reach, probably, 1,900,000 bales; on some sections, however, the quality may be in some degree injured. The transactions at the different ports have been as follows : STOCKS, SALES, PRICES, AND REMARKS, AT THE DIFFE RENT PORTS AT THE LATEST DATES. _ ^ Stocks. Sales. Prices. Re mar k s . New York, Oct. 29. New Orleans " 19, 44394 4300 84 to 11 firm, Mobile, .... " 19, 2243 400 84 to 10 ~ Macon, .... " 16, 7 to 8 ". Augusta,.... " 23, 2000 300 7i- to 8i decline,ic. Savannah, " 23, 4748 2188 64 to 9 3-16 firm. Columbus, . " 20, 674 282 64 t o 71 " Charleston:— " 23, 5609 4000 6f to 94 " We subjoin all that is interesting in the papers :-••••• FROM Rio DE JANEIRO.---The brig Janet, arrived at Baltimore on Wednesday. We copy the following extract of a letter from the American of Thursday, 28th, inst. RIO DE JANEIRO, Sept. 4.--Until a few days ago prices of flour remained stationary, notwithstanding a limited sup ply. Accounts, however, were received that the government of Buenos Ayres had permitted the importation of flour to the extent of 1500 bbls per month ; prices advanced, and 7295 bbls per R. H. Douglass, Fabius and Tweed from Balti more were sold for export thither at 1111750 on board, which is equal to a.sale at 1511000 on shore. There is very little inquiry for Richmond flour, and no recent sales. The receipts of flour during the month were 12,071 bbls. and the stocks 47,700 bbl s. The exports of coffee to the United States for the last mgnth amounting to 30,619 bags, viz. : 15,002 to New Orleans; , . . 3813 to Nom Fork ; and 2Boo to niletaelphts: Tllt total exports to the United States since the Ist of January, were 241,342 bags, being an excess of 50,237 over the same time last year. Prices are firm, and several American vessels having arrived recently, prices will not go lower at present. From Montevideo we have advices to the 17th ult. quoting flour at Sdolls. on hoard, to net Gdolls. scents Spanish. We have advices fr in Bahia to the 13th, and from Pernambuco to the 12th, when both places were amply supplied wiuh flour, and no improvement in prices had taken place. SEPTEmaEa 13.—Coffee is coming in pretty freely, and is a shade lower in our currency, although in Sterling bills it is nearly the same. Exchange in England has advanced to 31d. Our stock of flour is increased by the arrival of 1200 bbls. per Garifilia from Baltimore, and 1109 by a vessel from Stettin. HEALTH OF NEW OttLEANs.—The interments reported to the Board for two days, up to yesterday noon, were 44, of which 25 were from yellow fever. Some of the new comers have contributed to the above amount.—New Orleans Bulle tin, Oct, 19. THEATRE-ROYAL, LIVERPOOL Under the Management of Mr. CLARKE, Sole Lessee, During the remainder of the Season, the performances will commence at SEVEN o'clock. Doors to be opened at HALF-PAST SIX. The Last Night but Three of Miss ELLEN TREE and Mr. CHARLES KEAN. THIS present TUESDAY, the 16th instant, will be re peated the revived Tragedy of THE GAMESTER, Which was received on Friday last with the most rapturous applause, by a brilliant and crowded auditory. Mrs. Beverley Mr. Beverley Mr. Charles Kean. Stukely Mr. Stuart. 1 Lewson. Mr. H. Holl. Charlotte Mrs. Baker. 1:3(t4r,4. nd Wee At the end of the Play,_ a PAS DE DEUX, by Master and Miss C. Webster. After which, the Farce called the IRISH VALET. Larry Hoolagan Susan.... Miss E. Honner. To conclude with the Romantic Drama of THE FORTY THIEVES. Alibaba Mustapha (the Cobbler) Mr. Baker. Morgiana Miss E. Honner. On WEDNESDAY, will be performed Shakspeare's Play of the MERCHANT OF VENICE. Shylock, Mt. Charles Kean; Portia, Miss Ellen Tree; (as performed by them at the Theatre Royal, Haymarket) ; Bassanio, Mr. Stuart; Qratiano. Mr. H. Holl ; Jessica, Miss E. Honner. To con clude with the Melo-Drama of the EVIL EYE. Mavroyeni, Mr. Chaplin; Barozzi, Mr. Gray; Zane Kiebabs, Mr. Baker ; Helena, Miss Cleaver. On THURSDAY, the LADY OF LYONS. Claude Melnotte, Mr. Charles Kean; Pauline, Miss Ellen Tree. With other Entertainments. On FRIDAY, Mr. CHARLES KEAN'S BENEFIT, and the Last Night of the Engagement of Mr. Charles Kean and Miss Ellen Tree. TO CORRESPONDENTS We have received Mr. Jones's tragedy of " Regulus." It will meet with early attention. If the communication of " P. S. J." is found suitable it shall appear on Friday. The letter of " A Conservative" we hope to find room for in our next. Our correspondent would greatly oblige us if he would curtail his communications. We should be sorry to refuse them insertion, but they would be much more read able if shorter. Owing to the length of the Council Proceedings and other local matters which could not be conveniently deferred, we were unable to forward the papers to our subscribers by the first post. Ebt Eiberpool &tanbarb. TUESDAY MORNING, NOVEMBER 16, 1841 It is a favourite position in the liberal school of eco nomy, that trade and labour should be as little as pos sible interfered with by the legislature, and it has been the policy of our rulers of late years to reduce the theory to practice. To the position as it stands we are willing to subscribe; we would desire human liberty, in all respects, to be as little circumscribed " as possi ble ;" not only in matters of trade, but in those of politics and morals, should we rejoice to leave men to act at their own discretion, and subject to no orders for their wise and peaceful guidance but those of their own consciences. But it is found impossible, in prac tice, to dispense with some interference—the amount depending chiefly on the disposition of men to obey the laws of natural equity of their own accord. Some of the experiments of relaxation have not been attended by the most favourable results, and would lead us to call again, not, perhaps, for the old system of restric tion or of supererogatory watchfulness in all its bur densome details, but for a superintendence and a con trol exercised by some third, disinterested party, which would obviate the evils which have been found to ac crue from a system without any. There is an admitted necessity for such control in the case of factory child ren ; it is not denied, in their case, that the legislature ought to put in exercise a controlling power, because such power is designed for the protection of those who are too feeble to protect themselves, and has been found, by every consideration of humanity and justice, to be most imperatively demanded. We are not aware that any of the free trading economists go the length of saying that griping factory lords or unfeeling pa rents should be left to deal with the bone and muscle of their infant operatives quite according to their own views of the case, whatever difference of opinion may exist as to a ten-hours' bill, or minute regulations connected with the supervision of the relation subsist ing between the employer and his youthful body of workpeople. Now the control peremptorily required in this case is not a thing to be desired in itself—an institution which one would desire to multiply; but experience has shown that it is absolutely necessary. Here the free trade principle of the economists fails, and cannot, by any means, be carried out in the existing state of so ciety. We give this as our first instance, because it shows an exception to the rule free from all rational objec tion : it shows that the weak need protection, and that there is a principle of humanity which is at all times superior to the maxims of mere economy. We would revert, in the next place, to the results of that great experiment which was made in favour of the ad libitum system, by abolishing the laws against com bination. With all due deference to the philosophers, that experiment has been, in our humble opinion, a failure, and has done much more harm than good to trade, and the operative classes themselves. It would be interesting to enter fully into this investigation, but l it is beyond the scope of our immediate purpose. We merely throw out the hint, that if the operatives who have bound themselves to the laws of trades' unions, and have been punctual in paying up all the demands of their several councils—who have been faithful in standing out with their brethren when they received the order to " strike," or in maintaining others in that untoward position—were to compute their gains and their losses in hard cash, they would probably find but a very small balance, or more likely none at all, in fa vour of combination. As to the interest of roasters, and trade in general, there can scarcely be a doubt of the great and manifold injuries which operative combi nations have inflicted upon them. This case differs from the first to which we have ad- verted, inasmuch as it is not the operatives who seem to need protection, but the master. Shall we he told that the masters are sufficiently protected in their own powers, and want no assistance from the legisla ture 2 We say, that supposing they were, it is not for the government to stand by, and see workmen combin ing against masters, and masters against workmen, and the interests of society in the meanwhile greatly suffer ing, and take no part in the business. We have had a signal proof of the self-righting power which the masters do possess, when vigorously put forth, in the recent contest of the masons with the architects of the new houses of parliament, Messrs. Grissell and Peto. In that contest the combination of the workmen has utterly failed; Messrs Grissell and Peto have been enabled to dispense with the services of the combinators, and the object of the strike has been frustrated ; but, we ask, does this fact afford any suffi cient ground for the non-interference of the legisla ture ? The Times, last week, in allusion to this ques tion, says— . . _ combinations on not blame employ.eith eMnI sideuc h as , e w c e a n r e n g o r t e t b e a u y r of p r s t e h d e ew we large ers, if they also unite to quell, at all hazards, even by throw ing a whole trade out of employ, an authority which, if al lowed fairly to get head, threatens to destroy the possibility of carrying on business at all. Nay, we shall be even asto nished at their apathy, if some such vigorous measures against strikes. and those who support them, are not forthcoming. It cannot be supposed that they will resign themselves to having their private arrangements with their workmen regu lated by a council, or committee, or union, drawn from those very workmen with whom their variances arise. * * * * What we are now opposing, and what would make it impos sible for the public to enter upon the right and wrong of the particular quarrel, even were it dubious, is this —an organi zation of working men (an organization not thought of on the master's side) in order to seize on an authority destruc tive of our present industrial and even political framework, and acting by these ' strikes' as their ordinary weapon. Thip is such a revolution as not one, or two, or three cases of in dividual wrong, but only general and flagrant and hopeless oppression can excuse. And it is from their acknowledged connexion with this organization that ' strikes' are consi dered as they are—the seditious movements of a seditious party." And again:— " If workmen will combine agoinat their cpployers, their combine againA t 662. If Bien pr(44ibe masters, masters must proscribe men —common tatiie on one side involves common cause on the other. Incaleula• bly mischievous us such a feud would be, it is yet the least of two mischiefs." We quote these passages because they seem to argue that the ad libitum law may remain just as it is, and that no court of appeal, no authoritative arbitration is necessary in such cases ; but such doctrine will scarcely hold good in a civilised state of society. Ope rative combinations are extreniely injurious, and it is no excuse for the ruler's non-interference to say, that masters may follow the same course in their own de fence; it is his duty to provide a remedy, either by re storing the ancient law and making combinations un lawful, or by instituting a court for deciding such causes, or by some other means. In the present state of things the operatives make laws for their employ ers, and, in their attempts to enforce them, entail an incalculable amount of mischief on themselves and others; and this is unquestionably a state of things which ought not to be suffered to continue. "The church has done it"—cries old " * George Williams"—the church has done it ; it has openly identified itself with toryism ; aud this movement of the church must be considered by the friends of im provement and reform as a declaration of war, and"— hear this ye tories, and tremble—shake on your Olympus, and let all Thessalia quake—" I (George Williams) will not fail to RESENT IT!" But now query—Good Sir, is it the church that has identified itself with toryism, or toryism that has identified itself with the church ? Pause for a moment, sir, before your resentment lights up into a blaze, and do not confound the innocent with the guilty. Had you been in the neighbourhood of the Town-hall, or St. Peter's Church on Sunday morning last, you would have seen a sight that might well have raised this question in your mind. You would have seen a marvellous revival of the olden time ; the insignias of authority brought forth from their hiding place—the decent ensigns of rank and office, which the rampancy of a levelling, vulgarising faction would sweep entirely away, restored to their rightful possessors—the mayor and corpora tion of Liverpool proceeding in their official capacity to the Parish Church, attended by such a cortege of the wealth, rank, and respectability of the town, as no ordinary occasion could have collected, and greeted on their way by a countless multitude of the inhabi tants, in holy-day attire, anxious at once to gratify themselves with a sight now unwonted to their eyes, aud do honour to men about to discharge a duty in which they deeply sympathised, and of which they entirely approved—had you, we say, Mr. Williams, been a witness to this interesting spectacle, you might well have doubted whether there was not just as much truth in the converse of your proposition as in the proposition itself. But we have no fancy for splitting hairs ; we shall freely concede that the church—the church by her influences, or the church by herself has done it—that is to say, restored the ascendancy of toryism ; yes, we shall concede this even at the risk of drawing down upon us the bolts of so awful a thun derer as old George Williams. And the tories, we are happy to say, are grateful; it is one of their first acts, in this town, to give honour to whom honour is due, and at the " Protestant altar" in the church of their fathers, to make their acknowledgments to the Most High. The radical scribe might have been a hearer of the interesting discourse delivered from the pulpit on the occasion, or he may otherwise be enabled to collect its purpose--and we beg him to remark that he will find therein no apology to any fellow mortal for giving all the praise to Almighty God. Apologies of this sort belong to another system, and are among the fruits of another regime ; we allude to an occurrence now prettily well known, but so well worth remember ing, that we shall make no apology for briefly setting it forth in this place. Be it recollected, then, that the notorious Mr. Daniel O'Connell is the first Popish Lord Mayor of Dublin under a reform act of parlia ment, and that on Sunday week last, being the first Sabbath after his election, he proceeded in his red cloak, cocked hat, and state coach of office, with all the eclat and notoriety which a prodigious mob could give him, to attend mass at a Popish house of worship, in open violation of the act of parliament in virtue of which he was constituted mayor; that his dutiful church received him with special honors, and undiminished ardour, whilst he was thus engaged in doing obeisance to her, and despite to the laws of the realm ; that a priest named Miley preached a sermon on the occasion, full of the most exasperating allusions against the Protestants, and, exulting in the triumph which his church witnessed that day in the presence of a devout son, who enjoyed the high office of Lord Mayor of the city, said, that he felt so trans ported with delight, that even at the risk of offending that eminent individual, and seeming to detract from his merit, he must ascribe the accomplishment of so great a work to Omnipotence alone ! The absolute deification therefore of this bold, bad man is, it appears, postponed to another opportunity, and in the meanwhile the ecclesiastical trumpeter apo logizes for not putting him quite on a level with the Supreme Being ! Such, Radicalism, he thy fruits ; there are no such blasphemies to he heard in the train of her now triumphant antagonist. We do not refuse to ascribe honour to individuals ; such honour as their faithful services deserve, we cheerfully accord them but we ascribe all with due submission and deference to a higher power, and we bear in mind that when making our acknowledgments to the most deserving individuals, there is a reserve to be made on the score of that influence which the church and our principles, when rightly used, place at their command. The Radical scribe then is welcome to proclaim that " the church has done it," as long as he pleases; we thank him for the acknohledgment ; his testimony is valuable; we shall compound on cheap terms for all his resent ments But there is a wide difference between that which is achieved by what we may call a principle, and that which is wrought merely by men. We are not, as others, thank God, the slaves of a spiritual dEspotism. What our church achieves, she achieves by the influ ence of reason—by the intervention of a written law, which all alike are bound to obey; she subjects none to the caprice of a living, varying, and variable autho rity. Her influence is the influence of freedom, and our love and obedience to her, are those of willing freemen. Therefore our enemies think to taunt us in vain. We care not how often they repeat " the church has done it ;" yes, the church has done it, and round the church we rally. She has taught us to conquer, and we are neither so foolish, nor so ungrateful as to desert her banner. * See his letter in the Mercury of Friday The proceedings of the Council Meeting, yesterday will be found at length in another part of our papers and we have no doubt will be read with general satis factiion. Although naturally of an exciting character, on account of the importance of the subjects to be dis cussed, yet on the whole they were marked with con siderable temper; and notwithstanding the continual endeavours of Mr. William Earle to embroil its deli berations, by those interferences in which he delights, and which, coming from any other and less distinguish ed individual, might be deemed impertinent,—we are confident that, after a few explosions, the business of the Council will be permitted to progress smoothly and decorously. It will not be necessary for us to indulge in any lengthened remarks upon the debate, if we may be permitted to apply to the Council in its present state of discipline a term so formal. We cannot, however,. entirely pass over the effort of Mr. Bright to establish for himself a fame, more permanent than, we fear, the; possession of the Gibraltar of St. Peter's Ward is likely to be to him. Like many other "liberal" lurninatries, Mr. Bright appears to be afflicted with the most pro found ignorance of the state of the party to which he belongs, as well as of the subject upon which he essayed to be at once eloquent and argumentative. The repeal of the Test and Corporation Acts—ale passing of the Municipal Reform Bill, and other measures of the "liberal" kirid, have nothing earthily to do, we can assure him, with the system of education to be pursued in the Corporation Schools. It is quite true, that it was the design of the framers of the Muni cipal Act, to place the management of our Corporation Schools, and every other corporate establishment, in the hands of such philosophers as Mr. Bright himself. j But unfortunately, that act was based upon the prin. ciple of representation. The community at large, to I +lt • - • • frhotn those aoho6ii•belong, wir e the power w'ho were to determine the system t'zpon which they were to be managed; and the community has spoken out upon the subject, with a distinctness which renders it im possible to mistake the nature of its determination, and against whose. power not even " Gibraltar" itself has been proof. The people of Liverpool will not be bound down, even by acts of parliament, upon this question. It entertains an utter disrespect for the march of " liber alism ;" and will Mr. Bright, an admirer of the principle of self-government in local affairs, maintain that the community has not a perfect right to set up its own will against even so great an authority as Mr. Bright's philosophy ? We trust not. Well,—the meeting of the Council is over; the Education Committee has been chosen; and the Con servative body in the Council has not fallen in pieces, but is still in possession of an unbroken front and a resolved and united mind. The representatives of the Conservative and Protestant people of this great town have neither allowed themselves to he hurried into ultra measures upon this important question—as has been sanguinely anticipated by one portion of their Radical opponents—nor deterred by the sarcasms and the sneers which have been levelled at them by another portion into a course of truckling and dangerous com promise. The system of education provided for the children of the poor in our Corporation Schools will, for the future, he one based strictly upon the unadul terated religion of the Bible; and whilst we cannot but contemplate, with unaffected satisfaction, this important boon to the public, we have an ample guarantee in the constitution of the committee itself, that the change will be effected without unnecessarily grating upon the feelings or offending the prejudices of any sect or party. `We never, anticipated for a moment that there could be any compromise of principle, on the part of the Conservative majority in the Council, in the settlement of this important question; and we do not now fear. with the materials Of the committee before us, that the plan of education to be provided for will be other than satisfactory to the great bulk of our fellow-townsmen. To some Conservatives, perhaps, the names of a few of the gentlemen appointed may, in the first instance, be a little distasteful ; and the impression may exist that conciliation has been carried too far in submitting to their appointment. But these impressions, we are satisfied, will vanish when the details of the system in contemplation come to be discussed, and their bearing and principles to be explained ; and we trust we need not do more than request of our fellow-townsmen to approach their consideration in a dispassionate spirit, and to weigh well the whole circumstances before forming a judgment as to their propriety and justice. We may repeat, that upon no plea can we admit of the sacrifice of a principle by the Conservative body in the Council, in the settlement of this question. The direction taken with respect to it by the mind of the community is too distinctly marked and powerful to allow it to be evaded. The system of education to be provided must be essentially and entirely Protestant and Scriptural. We must have no delusion—no milk and-water admixture—no &tracts—no halting between semi-infidelity and the full and free admission of the Christianity of the Bible into our schools. With respect to the particular mode by which this result is to be pursued, we shall not at present venture to obtrude any sugestions of our own upon the com mittee. The principle we have already pointed to ; and it has been, in addition, commented upon in our columns by abler pens than our own, prompted by minds more fitted to deal with so momentous a sub ject. Would that the committee, or at all events the Conservative portion of it, would take counsel with respect to its details from those whose avocations and course of mental discipline have rendered the con sideration of such subjects more familiar ! " Despair! Who talks of despair to the Reformers of Liverpool ? We have been defeated this time, but we will struggle on until Victory shall again side with us, and For tune, after her fickle desertion of the righteous cause, once more smile upon it. Although, for a season, " Our legs are smitten off, we'll fight upon our stumpi " Valorous exceedingly, most profound Albion ! Ex cellently well pumped forth out of the deep into which Whiggery has fallen ! We question whether Barnaby Rudge's raven could have done it better. " Who talks of despair to the Reformers of Liverpool ?" " Polly, put the kettle on,never say die " Our gibing contemporary of Monday, like a certain illustrious ex-Minister for Foreign Affairs, has fallen back for consolation, during the present untoward state of politics, upon his recollections of the classics. " Hilli-onnee Palmerston " and " Fides Achates,"— from henceforth let yours be the loves of the angels ! " Arcades ambo"—brothers in misfortune and in classical lore, be ye ever associated together on the shady side of politics—twin glowworms, shedding your mild light upon the darkness o? your benighted party. "Hilli•onnee Palmerston"—" Fides Achates." Prodigious ! THE BRAZILIAN QUESTION AND THE " MANCHESTER GUARDIAN." The Manchester Guardian has a long article on Saturday, in reply to a few remarks which we offered in our last upon the subject of our relations with Brazil ; and although we have bestowed some attention upon the lucubrations of our contemporary, we really cannot discover that he has thrown much light upon the question. The tone of our article has not pleased the Guardian. We indulge, it appears, in " had jokes," and are not so attentive as we might be to that sto lidity of style with which our contemporary is accustomed to dole forth his profound observations upon " grave questions of national policy." But, with this exception, we are at a loss to perceive in what we have offended ; and certainly we cannot admit that in one position the Guardian has met us with a refutation. . . . Our contemporary, in the article which called forth our remarks, was anxious to represent the possible raising of the import duties, levied under the present Brazilian tariff, as likely to be influenced by a spirit of hostility on the pa r t of the Brazilian government towards this country. We doubted, and we doubt still, whether that government will be influ enced by any such feeling; and we are still of opinion that, in attributing such a feeling to it, " the wish," in the mind of our contemporary, was " father to the thought." There was a " flippancy of tone"—if we must retort upon him—in the Guardian's article, which certainly did not lead to the supposition that the retaliatory legislation spok en o f was viewed with any great dissatisfaction ; and when we bear in mind the fact that the very course represented as in contem plation by the Brazilian government has been pointed out to it by the organs of the whig party in this country, we can really reconcile ourselves to the " decency and propri e ty" of having imputed satisfaction to the Guardian in remarking upon it. Upon the main question between Great Britain and the Brazils we are not at all moved by the Guardian's remarks. ' It is not a question of merely commercial policy ; and were it even so, we cannot see that it is at all necessary to adopt the Guardian's views. The choice is given to us between two great markets for our manufactures—our own free-labour Colonies, and the slave-worked and slave-importing country of Brazil. We know that by transferring our custom from the former to the latter we shall rivet the fetters upon the limbs of millions of our fellow beings without adding one benefit to the trade of Great Britain ;—that, in fact, we shall virtually proclaim to the world that the great experiment of negro emancipation, in which we have made so noble a sacrifice, is a failure; and, although temporarily, we may experience an inconvenience from perseverence in it, we have no fear that the mind of the nation can be wrought upon to abandon it as yet. The Guardian is anxious for " the benefit of our cogi tations " upon the effect which the imposition of heavy protecting duties have upon the " revenue and commerce" of countries generally. It is scarcely worth our while to enlighten our contemporary. We may state, however, our opinion generally upon this point. We do not think that a government should legislate for " revenue and commerce " solely. Nobler and higher purposes should actuate us; and upon this particular question the government of Great Britain would, in our humble opinion, be strangely wanting in virtue and manliness if it omitted any opportunity of declaring its firm determination to persevere in the course which it has entered upon to discourage the consumption in Great Britain of every foreign product which is raised by the toil of slaves. ABSTRACT OF THE LOG OF THE "COLUMBIA" STEAM-SHIP, CAPT. C. H. E. JUDKINS, From Boston, U.S., and Halifax, N.S., to Liverpool. Nov. I.—Sailed from Boston at 3 p.m. 2.—Running for Halifax. 3.—Arrived at Halifax at 7 a.m. 4.—Sailed from Halifax at 4i p.m. Passed the Britannia at 5 p.m., going into harbour, all well. 6 p.m. Sambo Light bore W. by S. 9 miles, from which we took our departure. s. —Distance 210 miles. Wind S.E. Strong breeze, and squally. 6.—Wind S.S.W. Steady breeze, and clear weather. 7.-211 miles. S.S.W. Moderate and clear. 8.-244 miles. S.W. Fresh breeze, and cloudy. 9.-244 miles. N. Moderate and clear. 10.-232 miles. E. Moderate and cloudy. 11.-226 miles. E.N.E. Moderate and clear. 12.-252 miles. N.W. Strong breeze and cloudy wea tter' with a long swell from N.W. 13..-262 miles. N.W. Strong breeze and cloudy wea tber,.with lightning and rain. 14.-242 miles. N.E. Strong breeze and clear. 5 a.m. Cape Clear Light bore N.E. by E. At 8 p.m. abreast of Tuskar. 15.—0 f Holyhead at 4 a.m., and arrived at Liverpool at 11 a.m. A „Alovwxykav or FAT.—Mr. Dawson, of the George the Fourth, Leonard-street,. Derby, whose h og p i g was slaugh tered a. few days ago, weighed the enorm ous sum of 9861b5., or 123 stones .21bs., 81b : to the stone, London weight.— Derby paper. .-CWhieb. is the mountain—Mr. Dawson, or .116 pig if ADJOURNED NIEETING. OF' THE TOWN COUNCIL. The adjourned meeting of the Town Council was Lehi yes• terday for the purpose of proceeding with the anpointmen of the remaining committees. The MAYOR presided. ADDRESS TO THE QtEEN. _ _ _ Mr. SANDS said, before they proceeded with the usual bu siness there was one subject which ought, and he was sure would, by the unanimous consent of the council, have prece dence over every other. That subject was one of ye lr great importance, one involving not only the interests of tl is town and of the British empire, but one in which he must venture to say the whole world' was interested. It was a subject upon which, as Englishmen, they felt very deep inter , st, and on which-all could unite. Here there were no jarring strings; here they felt themselves upon common :;round, desirous only to express their loyal attachment to the throne and the constitution, and he would say their humble grati tude to Almighty God, for having preserved her Majesty upon the occasion to which he adverted. He was quite sure that they would all be most ready and most happy to offer to her Majesty their hearty congratulations upon the birth of a ,Prince and heir apparent to the throne of these realms. He therefore begged to propose the following resolution—" That a dutiful and loyal address be presented to her Majesty, and also an address to his royal highness Prince Albert, and her royal highness the Duchess of Kent, upon the joyful occasion of the birth of a Prince` and heir apparent to the throne of these realms," and that a committee be appointed to prepare the address. Mr. Joux HoLmEs seconded the motion. On the motion of Mr. BUSHELL, seconded by Mr. PROC TER, a committee was appointed to prepare the addresses. The following are the gentlemen of the committee :—the Mayor, Mr. Sands, Mr. John Holmes, Mr. John B. Lloyd, and Mr. Robertson Gladstone. It was next resolved, on the motion of Mr. JAMES LAW RENCE, and seconded by Mr. JOHN SMITH, that a deputa tion, consisting of the Mayor, Mr. Sands, and Mr. John Holmes should proceed with-the addresses to London, for the purpose of presenting them. APPOINTMENT OF THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE. Mr. Alderman EARLE supposed the council would now go on with the business of the day, the first of which was the appointment of the Education. Committee. The gentlemen who undertook to form the Education Committee when last the council met, notwithstanding the advantages they had of previous consultation and deliberation failed in their attempt, for they had not even satisfied their own friends, much less those that were opposed to them on - this question. He was aware that the subject was not without its difficulties. It was a very important one, and the most important that could come before them ; and he thought there could be little doubt of its being settled in a manner that would satisfy all reasonable parties if it were referred to the consideration of men of deliberate judgments and good sound sense. He had the honour of belonging to the Education Committee for a considerable time, and he had taken a very lively interest in the schools. The lower orders in Liverpool, he thought, had derived immense benefit from them, particularly that portion of the community which had most need of them. The bro therly kindness and the total absence of all discord upon reli gious principles from religious motives which had existed among the schools, was a very pleasing feature, and he attri buted it to the system which had been adopted. He must appeal to many gentlemen who were upon the committee last year to say whether there was not a great deal too much good done in the schools to induce them to do anything that would injure their general utility ' • that they would rather be disposed to adopt measures which a spirit of mutual concilia tion would naturally suggest. Those schools, like the agita tion of the poor-law and the protestant association, had been used as a political machine for the purpose of raising certain parties into power. He did not, however, com plain of that, as many people thought all that was justified in political warfare. It now appeared that the leader of the tories did not choose to wield these weapons any longer, as they might become dangerous to the party. In justification of this assertion he would only appeal to the Times—and he was sure his friends upon the opposite benches could not reasonably object to such, an authority— which said, or from its language one might calculate, that those who harangued at such meetings were little better than crazy-pated fanatics, hardly fit to be at liberty without a. keeper, and the advocates of measures totally at variance with common sense. It must always be borne in mind that' these schools, and all the property of the corporation, be longed to the public at large, and that they were to be used for the benefit of the public without any reference whatever to religious creed. The act of parliiment under which the council met, recognised that principle to the .fullest extent. They were shorn of all their church, patronage ; and from that circumstance he held it was cinite clear that the legisla ture never intended the corporate funds to be applied to the benefit of any particular community. He should propose to the consideration of the council acertain number of gentle men who, he thought, would form a very good committee of education. He hoped that those gentlemen who might be named would not offer excuses for not attending or for not accepting the appointment. He was aware that there were many who had valid reasons, upon account of their various occupations to wish to be off the committee, but he would suggest the expediency of the council allowing those gentlemen to retire from it and others be substituted, as soon as the knotty points of the question had been settled to the satisfaction of all parties. He had purposely omitted some names upon his list upon account of the particular line of conduct they had taken. Some of those who were very fre quently in the habit of referring to the scriptures, he would remind them that there was a passage to be found there which said, " Blame not before thou bast examined the truth; understand first and then rebuke." (Hear, and cries of " question.") Now he had heard a great deal of rebuke, but he had never yet heard that any of the gentlemen who were loudest in their complaints against the schools, ever went into those schools, and there understood and examined the truth. (Hear, hear.) They had, upon various occasions, broached opinions that rendered them disqualified entirely from acting upon the committee, even supposing they pos sessed in other respects competency for the task—a question which he by no means admitted. When a wound was in a healing state, and showed a disposition to close, he thought it was unsound practice to apply perpetual blisters to it; he therefore hoped, as this wound seemed to be in a way of healing, the council would adopt conciliatory and healing measures. The committee he should propose was—Mr. H. R. Sandbach, Mr. T. Sands,--Mr. R. Gladstone, Mr. C. Bushell, Mr. G. H. Lawrence, Mr. A. Smith, jun., Mr. Alderman Nicol, Mr. J. Bratriley Moore, Mr. R. S. rook, Mr. J. H. Turner,—ten all upon one side, and• Mr. J. Mel lor, Mr. T. Bolton, Mr. J. .Aikiny Mr. Alderman Evans, and Mr. T. B. Barclay. Mr. HonGsoN submitted that Mr. Earle was_ proceeding irregularly. • Mr. Sandbach had moved the adjournment of the council, and therefore he was. entitled to the possession of the chair. The MAYOR said, as this was an adjourned meeting, Mr. Sandbach was in possession of the chair. Mr: SANDBACH quite agreed that he was in possession, but he had no wish whatever to interfere with his friend Mr. Alderman Earle. Mr. BoriroN contended that Mr. Sandbach must go on. Mr. Alderman EARLE said, he shoUld not have - opened the debate had he not had the opinion of the Town-clerk that he was competent to do so. The TOWN-CLERK said, the adjournment was one of the council, and therefore any member was at liberty to com mence. If the adjournment had been one of the debate only, then the member must . take up the subject who had moved the adjournment. Mr. Alderman EARLL was right. Mr. BRIGHT should not have risen on this occasion were it not that he felt deeply interested in the continuation of the present system. A strong clamour had been raised against it at one period, but it bad gradually subsided, till latterly we had scarcely heard anything of it. (Hear.) We ought to bear in mind, that by several acts of parliament, passed not very long since, the old spirit of exclusiveism had been abolished. The Test and Corporation Act had been repealed; and others had subsequently passed giving to all persons— without exception, without distinction of creed or opinion— equal rights and equal privileges. They had the schools —That is exactly so. I knew I upon their hands when the council was first formed, and the Question was, how could they best apply the funds of the Corporation to the continuation of a system of education adapted to the equal rights of all. (Hear.) It was a diffi cult question undoubtedly; and after great deliberation, a system had been devised that had won its way by the opinion of the public, and which, with little exception, became, he might say, a popular system. It was admirably adapted to meet the wants and the requireMents of all. From what he had seen of it, he believed that there were at this moment few who discredited or inclined to doubt the proper use of the Bible in the schools. That was first of all discovered-- The MAYOR, with all due deference to Mr. Bright, thought that the immediate subject of discussion was not the manage ment of the schools, but the appointment of a committee. The council at present had nothing to do with the mode of management adopted. Mr. BRIGHT was strictly confining himself to the motion introduced by Mr. Earle, but if he was out of order, he should bow to the decision of the chair. The MAYOR repeated, that the appointment of the com mittee was the subject under consideration. When the in structions to the committee were read it would be competent in Mr. Bright to speak on the points to which he referred. Mr. BRIGHT said, the object in proposing a list of gentle men entertaining moderate opinions was, that the system now pursued in the schools might have fair and proper considera tion. He certainly viewed with considerable jealousy the list proposed by Mr. Sands at the last meeting. In that list he found the indication of a certain line of conduct to which he could not, by any means, agree ; it indicated, from the previously expressed opinions of the gentlemen upon it, what would be the course of a committee so constituted. He therefore felt a strong desire, having been named upon it, to have the name of some other gentleman substituted, whose opinions might be more accordant with those of the majority so proposed. He would not detain the council further than to say, that lie cordially concurred in the motion of Mr. Al derman Earle. Mr. SANDBACH rose, but gave way to Mr. SANDS, who said he should move an amendment to the motion proposed by Mr. Earle— Mr. BOLTON would interrupt Mr. Sands just to suggest that each name should be put separately, and that any objec tion to each so proposed, should also be separately discussed. (Cries of " No, no.") The MAYOR said the entire list must be read first. Mr. Alderman EARLE.—To brinT the matter to a point, I rise to move that Mr. Sandbach be appointed a member of the Education Committee. Mr. BOLTON.—I second the motion. Mr. PROCTER thought that Mr. Sands's list should be read as well as Mr. Earle's. Mr. SANDS said, he was quite in the hands of the council. He had a list to propose, which he would read if permitted. The MAYOR said, that as Mr. Alderman Earle had read his list, Mr. Sands ought to read his ; and that it would be much better to propose the names seriatim. Mr. COOPER called for Mr. Sands's list to be read, to en able the council to choose the best names. Mr. SANDS having observed that there were many names upon his list which were also upon Mr. Earle's, read the following.—M r . M o l yn eux,t.Mr. A. Smith, junior, Mr. Chil ton, Mr. Cr oo k, M r. P r i estley, Mr. Bulley, Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Platt, Mr. Sanabach, Mr. G. H. Lawrence, Mr. Alder man Houghton, Mr. Hodgson, and Mr. Sands. Of these, seven were churchmen, and the restof various denominations. There were ten conservatives, and the rest were liberals—. Mr. JORDAN.—Very liberal ! Mr. PLATT observed that 13 names had been read, whereas the former committee consisted of 15. Mr. Alderman E ARLE-I thought the former committee was constituted of 15 memmbers. Mr. SANDS continued, that the list he had read consisted of seven Churchmen, two Wesleyan methodists — w hi c h was the same thing, and four dissenters. The committee was originally composed of 15 or 16, but that number was thought too large. Mr. Alderman BARCLAY. — Have you any objection to seven of one description, two of another, and four of a third? (Cries of no, no.) Mr. BOLTON said, Mr. Alderman Earle had proposed the first list, which he, (Mr. Bolton,) seconded. He did not, however, care what names were upon the list, but he did contend that each name must be proposed and seconded separately. Let Mr. Earle propose his name, and then Mr. Sands might move his by the way of amendment. Mr. SANDS — Very well : I am content. The MAYOR said, that when Mr. Earle had moved one name, Mr. Sands might move another as an amendment Mr. HODGgON observed that amendments were always put the first frod the chair. Mr. Sands had moved one, and, therefore, he was in possessidn of the chair. • The MAYou. said this was perfectly understood. Mr. Alderman EARLE asked by what authority the com mittee was reduced from 15 to 13? He begged leave to state that 15 meta not too tnani'. Then were tw6'iiisbois to attend to, and if the larger number were appointed, those who did their duty, would find a great deal to do The MAYOR said the nun was the first point to be decided. Mr. ISAAC HOLMES moved that the committee do consist of thirteen. Mr. SANDS seconded the motion. Mr. BOLTON moved, as an amendment, that the committee be constituted of 15, on the ground that as there were two schools to be attended to, 13 would be insufficient. Mr. PLATT seconded the amendment on the same grounds. Mr. PRIESTLY had attended - the committee for some years, and must say, that at times, it had been found very hard to get a committee together. Fifteen was as few as there wel could be, considering that they were divided into two sub committees. Mr. SANDS had no objection to 15 being the number, but it had been thought more convenient to have only 13. Mr. Evans and Mr. Aiken thought 8 were sufficient. . Mr. Alderman EvANs.—l have never given an opinion upon the subject. Mr. SANDS said a few words of explanation, which we were unable to hear. Mr. BOLTON then proposed, and Mr. Busuzu, seconded, a motion that Mr. Sandbach be appointed on the committee. Mr. SANDBACH said he was anxious to have an opportu nity of saying a few words on this subject on account of the undue importance attached to what bad fallen, from him upoti a former occasion, and the inferences drawn from it. it bo a been inferred from what lie said that there existed among the conservative members of the council a difference of opinion as to the principles upon which the schools were to be con ducted. He confessed that the idea flashed across his mind at that time, that there was an intention of proposing some measures so exclusive or so extreme that he could not ap prove of it, and he should feel bound to oppose it. He was now, however, better informed, and he was happy to say there was no intention of proposing any such measure, or any measure in which he did not frankly and cordially concur , and which he would not support by every means in his power. He trusted that when the council heard what was intended to be done, they would all see they had been entirely mis taken in supposing that any such extreme measures were in contemplation. The two points which, as he understood , were intended to be insisted upon, were points of principle — The MAYOR was sorry to interrupt Mr. Sandbach, but he had before said that the council could not now go into that subject. Mr. SANDBACH bowed to the decision of the chair, and would not further trespass upon those points. At the same time he must be allowed to say, that he did not re gret the course he had pursued, nor had he any apology to, offer to the council for ha v i ng t a k en th e groun d he ba d du c upon a former occasion. He admitted the propriety of the combination of parties, for the sake of asserting and maintaining great principles ; but h e di s ti nc tly re p u diate d the doctrine that individual opinion was not to be expressed. He should not submit to be so under the iron control of party as not to be at liberty to express an independent opinion; but at the same time he claimed that liberty for himself he acknowledged the obligation, and trusted, upon this occasion especially, that every gentleman of the council wouid care.: fully avoid any expression that could give needless offence , especially to. the Roman Catholic part of the people. (Hear, hear.) He confessed it was with him, and he knew it was with many others also,—he thought lie might say, w ith the town at large—an object of intense anxiety that the Homan Catholic part of the population, in common with the rest, should send their children, and give to them scriptural educe tion that was there offerei to them without—. He did not wish to get into the subject ; he wished simply to sal that he hoped every person would avoid every expression that might give needless offence to the Roman Catholics, or tend to prevent them from sending their children to the schools, which he most earnestly desired they should do. Mr. Sandbach's name was then carried, as were the names of Mr. Edmund Molyneux, Mr. Alexander Smith, jun., Mr. Chilton, Mr. R. S. Crook, Mr. Priestley, and Mr. It. Glad stone. Mr. BRIGHT said, as it was professed by the gentlemen on the opposite side that they meant to deal fairly and impar tially with the schools, he hoped they would carry out the principle, and allow the committee to be constituted of 15 members. This would allow 7 of one party and 8 of the other. Mr. SANDS was surprised that such a remark or suggestion should have been made. If the gentleman opposite would go back to the proceedings of two years ago, he would find that the members of the committee then proposed were all °' one side. (Hear, hear, hear.) Mr. Alderman BARCLAY said that was hardly a fair ob servation upon the part of Mr. Sands. They were very anxious on that occasion that some from the other side should come into the committee, but they would not. (Hear.) Mr. SANDS was much obliged to Mr. Barclay for putting him right whenever he was wrong ; but he could tell him that Mr. Blackburne, in a speech two years ago, stated that The MAYOR called Mr. Sands to order. This subject would not bear excitement.; and bye gone transactions need not be referred to. Mr. SANDS would avoid going into a discussion of that subject, in obedience to the chair. He would go on with moving the committee, and leave the committee itself to see the working of the schools. Mr. Bulley and Mr. Platt were then elected members of the committee. Mr. Alderman . BAACLAY said he should be very glad t 0 have Mr. Yates upon the committee. (Cries of " No, no. Mr. G. H. Lawrence and Mr. Alderman Houghton were then appointed members. Mr.flodgson's name being next propoied, Mr. BOLTON said he must oppose the nomination of Mr. Hodgson. He was so strongly prejudiced against, a nd so uncharitable towards, those who differed from him in religi ous opinions, and particularly towards the Roman Catholics, that in his (Mr. Bolton's) opinion—and he expressed it boldly—he was a very unfit man to be put upon the educa tion committee. Mr. Alderman EARLE begged to second Mr. Bolton, if be proposed some other gentleman • he did not care who it was. Mr. BOLTON proposed that dr. R. V. Yates be appointed in place of Mr. Hodgson. Mr. Alderman EARLE.—I second it. Mr. HODGSON said if the amendment had been proposed without comment he should not have said one word; but when a personal attack was made upon him he must be 'al lowed to state very briefly what were his sentiments subject. on this The MAYOR. said that this was not a time tu`discu" the principles upon which the education committee should' pro ceed. (Cries of " Vote !") _ _ Mr. fIODGSON said if the mayor decided that he was out of order, he should sit down ; otherwise he should not occu py three minutes with his explanations. The MAYOR.—We are not now to enter upon that sub ject, Mr. A. SMITH thought that as Mr. Hodgson had been at tacked, and he wished only to speak in explanation, he ought to be heard. (Hear.) Mr. HODGSON said Mr. Sandbach had been allowed to speak in explanation, and he thought the same privilege ought to be extended to him. These, then, were his senti ments—" Resolved that the education committee is hereby instructed that only children of the Church of England be required to learn the church catechism"— The MAYOR was very sorry to interrupt Mr. Hodgson, but the council had before decided that they ought not now enter upon the mode upon which education in the schools should be conducted. Mr. Hodgson, however, might give any general explanation with regard to Mr. Bolton's motion• Alderm:an EARLE.—If yon had allowed Mr. Hodg son to have his own way he would have shown you speedily how disqualified he is to be on the committee. (Hear, hear.) Mr. HODGSON.—I merely wish to say— Several members.—(Chair, chair.) Mr. Alderman EARLE.—Go on ; go on. The MAYOR thought Mr. Hodgson was not authorized to enter upon the subject of education. Mr. 'HODGSON said he merely asked to dear his character. The MAYOR said that in doing so he was not entitled to enter upon the general question, as it had been decided that that should not be now discussed. Mr. Alderman HARATF; — ;;ifFkr. Hodgson might move the resolution which he had read as an instruction to the committee. Mr. BOLTON.—In the langauge of the lawyers, that is my Mr. Alderman EARLE. — Exactly so ; that is my case, too. Mr. MELLOR thought there was a disposition on the part of the council to use Mr. Hodgson unfairly. Mr. Bolton had stated his reasons for thinking Mr. Hodgson an unquali fied man to be upon the Education Committee ; and in com mon fairness Mr. Hodgson ought to have an opportunity of sliming the council that he was qualified to be a member of the committee. Several members.—No, no. Mr. Alderman EARLE.—Yes, yes ! The MAYOII repeated his reasons for stopping Mr. Hodgson —that it was unnecessary to enter upon the general question. Mr HODGSON said he was not going to make a speech upon his view of the case. Mr. BRIGHT contended that Mr. Hodgson was about to give his individual views. Mr. HODGSON thought it only just to be allowed to reply to the unfair attacks upon his character. He would not take up more than a few minutes. Mr. Alderman EARLS.—Oh dear, let him do it. Mr. Honusoc.—Shall I read it again Mr. Alderman EARLS.—Oh, by all means : read it again. - Mr. HODGSON proceeded. " Resolved,"—be was not proposing this as a motion, but merely reading it to show his sentiments upon the question—" Resolved, that the Edu cation Committee is hereby instructed that only children of the Church of England be required to learn the Church Cate chism, but that the authorised version of the Bible, to the exclusion of every other version, and of the Irish Extracts, be freely used in the schools, and that the schools commence and close with prayer morning and evening." These were his sentiments. If he were disqualified for entertaining such sentiments, then he was disqualified. (Cries of "vote ".) Mr. Alderman E witLE.—l wonder how any gentleman can possibly act in the spirit of conciliation after such a de claration as that ? The MaYott.—l can allow no personal observations at all. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BAttcLAY had heard with great regret the observa tions just made by Mr. Hodgson, because he thought they struck at the root of everything. Mr. Hodgson must be aware that The MAYOR having observed that what Mr. Hodgson had said was only in explanation, and need not allow further dis cussion upon it, said he would take the opinion of the council whether Mr. Yates or Mr. Hodgson should be elected. The council then divided, when there appeared— For Mr. Hodgson For Mr. Yates Majority for Mr. Hodgson .. The following is the voting on this question : For Mr. Hodgson.—Councillors, Shaw, Hodgson, Isaac Holmes, Houghton, Sandbach, Copeland, Edwards, Barton, Blundell, Sands, Rae, Aspinall, Toulmin, Lawrence, Robin son, Cooper, J. N. Wood, Birkett, Gladstone, Bushell, Procter, Lloyd, Rigby, Kilshaw, Jones, Parker, G. H. Lawrence, Trotman, A. Smith, junior, Harbord ; Alder men, Houghton, Nicol, Turner, Chilton, Bramley_Moore, Molyneux, Crook, and the Mayor-38. For Mr. Yates.--Councillors Thornhill, Preston, H. Holmes, Mellor, J. Holmes, Bolton, Aiken, Bright, Priest ley, Yates, J. Smith, Jordan, Platt, Mather—Aldermen Holt, Bullev, Freme, Harvey, Evans, Barclay, and Earle —22. Absent.—Councillors Shand, H. Lawrence, Slater, and Alderman Griffith. Mr. MELLOR then T r o o f po th se e d E t d h u a c t a N ti l o r n . A c ee. Alderman Barclay be appointed a member a motion. division. Mr. SANDS moved as an amendment that Mr. Rae be ap pointed. otßuhteoptssorr, seconded by M r ' T o CIN1 : 1 1 . ae°e , l3 l‘ ::ivN l a° l -87 . e°Nlne Sands cs.°teeeld° % n N wM • d a i s etrdh l he next elected on the co mmit te e . Mr. BIRKETT moved, and Mr. TOULMIN seconded Mr. Harbord as a fit and proper person to serve on the commit. tee. Mr. Alderman EARLE proposed as an amendment - Mr- John Buck Lloyd in opposition to Mr. Harbord. Mr. JORDAN seconded the amendment. Mr. LLOYD, as his name had.been proposed, begged to sa y that he would not shrink from any duty that might be imposed upon him, but Mr. Harbord's name having been proposed, he (Mr. Lloyd) must express his desire that n° friend of his would vote for him in opposition to one who had taken so much interest in the education question. He w ould just observe, as t o the formation of the committee, that If gentlemen had nut interrupted it in the' beginning, th e l would have f oun d that there would have been.a fair propor tion tion of those d enominations who differ upon religions SU jects—which was perfectly right and just towards every T Pos oth T bac Asl Gla Plet wit' w a3 cha sub hec wel a st $o Col For log thr Th pot del 41 affi sal in ; ke M GI