The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-11-25 00:00:00

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Whether 1 0 ". b.,ca ace tis yreat f ill :. ~. 1. force in Christ ian damns' ' tnuityls the principle adif 1 ethers, yet as the money iol i ( a public purse, and dews. an ,' I contrib sled ; to take o ut , ./ • 'ls—tlte principle i tse lf is oPi ha anarchy and confusion lila' yht, notwithstanding the re lations that had been given t o this corporation—yet 1 ' 1 " Iliabitants of this town-I ° . becaaue you are not reog f i , have already alluded. c i It now bey leave to rtf a : to snake on this rub.)ri x iuus that all the childrea o r, to the fullest extv,t, the P,sfi, and they would g luon) , ' Inds iti furtherance uf this go issible to do so without viols_ and sapping the founds"os but, as guardians of the P insent, even for the attaio VA., from funds, the trust , means of ihaintaining 01 4 1 0 :h, in its pr ac ti ca l effect " phi . d to the benefits it might c° , 1 , 6 0 therefore, forthwith offe r 'Tel at, to any individual or s't e , imperatively gratuitous ens this town on eq ually li/v ve been recently es t a biish e . 00 s, with th e r i g ht o f inspet tl i o the council to see th' t d' nongst the poor is attfun, r i d ty understood. 1 salt ilia' I . Mi', justice and uprightness am' ,„„s eedinyly proud if this gre at i, ice to the world a s regard s I une seconded M r . Lore d it, and the amendment Og. , ed to offer a few remartil: :r. Lassen then proceeded 1 , !vious one of Mr. Rathbun e ,bi by the coun c il. We he manuscript of which,:ip ition of the Telegraphl ,h, gutnents whi c h wou ld Posed of. On the contraLl Bandon ate patronage ad enjoyed for 'nearly tbrooi he corpor a ti on o f LiverPof free scho o l un til t h e deat h d n 18(6, and then the site o the enlargement of the rd' h , m°lisheil. At that time 1 :,, - tany advocates a s it has 0 .. ; replaee th at sc h oo l vrithal% ogress of opi n i on the coup e ' which are now in existescei ? old council was a sane°, he sch oo l s; b ut t i me s we l t; o, us as truste es f o r a pu b t l h 'S the system adopted in i they can n o longer be eSc n ", hb as ed it are not on r eligie; ley are denounced front 111 , 6 humbly coin c id e d with t", 4 feeling th a t th e I r i s h syste: d !r1 stated that it had at in the report of 14 :T A . , 1 the Comiuissioners for D" - ; is repoit, published by orde to rely than ppm , ' [he as s , g ha r g prejudices, looked at I " - ratlwr than to the benefits ley were told that their M a ; t was a strong word—ab e d school 130 protestants he perusal of the 'script° . He found in this r_ei,eit- - .s a sub s tit u te f or t h e m acre!' to it, in the h o p e o f thel able peiusal o f t h e Word' been chosen, not as betel( the Scriptu res , b ut m erel understandings of children fitted to be read under I" ily qualified. and certaiali ion ; no passage has e ither e influence of any partictv Dractical. Lary subjects of educatioei numbers of a series of lee •orn the Old, and the othe r iropose to gu on adding t ° abstract of the name° )ersed with suitable poi: irts of it. We proceed 0 . : pity, and anticip ate , fr°i" he best mulls.' 1 which was not likely if Id imbibe evil from reit' stained the sa nc ti on o f t he d been so often stated tba' :essary now for him to r e ; s asked if any good thil ) was invited t o co me a nd urselves as to their 13ihl e that this was the best per mt it came to them unde r t them have time to prole not. The application' Awithstanding all oppot y Der week,- and it wool , . that. any imaginary evil positive good which ma" !ked, aware what these row away their schools, 'rant to their committe" I give them a fair chance' ,r all exclusive, alter the to yield to the clamour iersevere in the indepen' opposition would gradu- :en nisch personal inter , I as not soutent, when especially as I consider bject this (lay tube of the ion. Before coming to rert to the principle /1 if seven of its members", Limous det e r m i na ti on 01 for the education of IP bear iu mind the injury abet of our fellow-crea o be closed against per ur I believe ese schools being public nuer best Calculated to , urpose of giving those :in (without distinction , gs of education ; none i any been excluded ind literally into effect ? )f various religious de s which are calculated d lead them into those s 1300 children, mostly judge of the future by that has taken place improvem en t in 'the ;ur a benefit to society To your decision We result of selling these ind ignorance a great ,pes and expectations r things. I trust you le expectations of the the seeds of disunion endeavoured to leads aber that he wno re es crime, and is him, Who are the corn l'hose who are rich to erous schools at their 'or thn benefit of one eery other denomina st in thOir reviling& holic brethren, and Le in the fact of the inin through the nue lings or fear of losing be assured they are it of hostility by re ntably disappointed ; less, and the true will throw another ?rnies to reform, and Ivocetes of civil and s the representative f the poorer inhabi d in this question.— &dent auticitiations t question they were .tance. 'ln the first regarded their own ext place, it was one poor children in the tats ! who, if not al education, would were of a class who e Moderate pittance the next place the he cry which had used to Liverpool. :ipal•act, and those en assumed in that • He denied it, — as he had said be , if the event bad allowed, to allow Hear, and cheers.) tiiig,—and he was rative Reform As at speakers alludes , nvassed the town. t part of it in fa would be exceed unbecoming mo knew them to be dill, with which it ry for a moment called himself a It was a political elections they de hop—a very erni ington, Peel, and stem was suitable most strange an persons had lent lid that they had Or Protestants in t Scripture read eripture.,reading had himself been le took them to iv would he bear whnwas now t all, while Mae xed with it—he that it was true. Bibles to school. making use of. and he had been no. occasion to and his parents !ftwavit • l'ulst teach him in it. Since theh the fashion hail been Bibles t o t h e sc h oo l s; an d t h ey alt k new tur what. ob ) celebrated Mr. Locke was opposed to using the. as a sebool-h,iiik. If key wade so cheap the Vi of God. they P ,,,, ced the same ;is ensued nom making oaths cheap, Ile.wa s glad government had interfered to take a waythe sys - tem of iunhs. But a wo r d about mutilation. clad the gentle " -met, nr the Education Coni nit toe brought simiethinz into the • s , olool-roion,, and called it a Bible, and passed it oil is such, • they would have ty,en guilty of the moral turpitude, which the r. 111Ihee stands guilty of, awl who would never purify .hun'self as long as he li - ved: The Bible was never • . read. in the Church at alt; it was 'selections . alone that were read; a nd, to ce rt a in instances, c h a pt ers were divided. .Thtly.tui , ,;lit call this a mutilation with as much propriety as they. called their selections a Mutilation. They might - as well • say ilia; the. Jews-inutilateil-the book which was theirs - par exeeltence—a book by which they swore, whilst we only used the. New Testament. - But they even did not encourage their yowls; men to read the Bible till they were thirty years of age. A little time ago, there had been a gentleman, a Rev. Mr. Jones, who had - omitted a certain part of the lesson in the church sereice, (a member,- '• Nu, no, - his curate,") but, beiug admonished On this subject, he had made a - public apology— said he wes extremely sorry, and should never do so again. AL teat time he had-'met a very orthodox clergyman who had said he thought it extremely inexcusable to take any liberties with with the t e xt, excep t i n th e pas s age —(h ere M r . S m ith quoted 1. Samuel, 25th chap., '22,lverse.) He had rendered it " Every one that turned to the wall," but the word made use of was only a proper word in iv proper place. What would he hive said if he had come across such -a passage as this, which he would read to then ? (Cries of " No. no.") He begged their pardon, it wife the Bible, end- be would read it. (Mr. S. then read several passages picked out of the 23d chap. of Ezekiel. and connected together its one verse.) If a man would shriek about the. former passage, whet would he do about such a pessage al this? (Loud cries of " What part of Scripture?") Mr. Councillor Mr. Councillor Rusteroe (rising and ensineig, epparceely in great excitement, into the middle of :'iv esuiteil-Soont,) sa e , Iterated a number of times, "-Read your Bibles!" Mr. Councillor SMITH continued.—ln regard io public op niuu, he could wish there was an opportunity of teking that crpiuion ; and, if they did not precipitate the decision, he would venture to say that before that day six months the) should More such an expression of public opinion as should settle the ques- Rau entirety, whether the schools were to be abandoned:or con tinued. Ltt them not give up the supesodeodence of these schools. There could nut be any such gnu. erotinds fist their continuance as the voice of the Common Council in their favour, who were sent there by the pubiic ; and if they shruuk from that trust he thought they would be shrinking trum their duty. Mr. Councillor ilone. as one somewhat acquainted with seripteral reading, denied that any such passage. as that quoted by Mr. Smith existed id the Bible.. Mr. Councillor W. Itesierox. running, as before, into the middle of Ora council-reom in great excitement, reiterated "ICS correct. I have nn doubt it it." Mr. Js s. evweern said he felt constrained, from the im portance of this subject not to give a silent vote, but to express, thoneli very feeble, and perhaps, in the opinion of some, very futilely, the sentiments which he entertained its to the most pro persystem of religious education for the children of the poor. He wished to divest the subject entirely of political associations. It bed grieved bins much, in the course of the discussion, to find that retlitics had been so mixed up with it. Education, he Ottni•eSet, was better freed from politics than associated with them-!—(hear, hear.) A food deal had been said with regard to the clergy, as being politically opposed to the schools, and to the system of education practised in those schools. Surely geutlemen might be permitted to eatertain a difference of opinion on that very important subject,—to feel amid to express a regard for the advantage of the corer classes of their fellow countrymen, without having tlieir motives maligned and their conduct misconstrued. (liear.t It was a very singular fact, that telly nue clergyman of the Established Church s eemed to natroniee the present system It was net very likely that all the cheesy of Liver : viol shosld simu!taneously be actuated by political mstises, or unsound views or education, audit was singular that see e:ergynistu alone should be the advocate of that which (es's' considers! the best. Without entering intodetail he would tele, the liberty to remark, that had he lived a hundred miles trim i,iverpool when the new system of education was intro duced ;lite the Corporation Schools, and all the clergy— taking tete consideration the wide diversity of characters, and the mule' circumstantials in which they differed, the many points of dote: ine on which they were riot agreed—if he had been told that they had simultaneously deserted the system, and one alone remained behind to sustain the• whole burden upon his *tinele shoulders, he should certainly have concluded, without much need of investigating into detail, that that one clergyman was wrong and the others right—(Hear, hear.) Had he judged otherwise, he must have considered Mr. Aspi null to be, something more than man. However unsupported he might stand the opinion, he maiutained that the Bible was the only standard book on which the religious and moral edu cation of any class could be safely founded. It was a book which ought to be used as a schol-book during school-hours; and - he believed, if this single concession were made, in rela tion to tae Corporation Schools, it would be received as a heal ing measure, and the community at large would at once coalesce and agree in the beneficial character of an education so admin istered: (Hear, hear.) Under the old Corporatum the Bible was, he believed, read as a school book. What was the conse quence? . That the human Catholics could nut avail therusel . • Yes of the benefits of the education so supplied The Roman te e . - 'Catholic children, therefore, did not attend. Here a principle les tee " , ' justiee seemed:involved. The funds, by virtue or which the educatien was ciesimunicated, had been contributed by the l ee • whole . of the community,—Catholic as well as Protestant; and fie ' it- Was thOught only fair and right that all who contributed 'te else . ' , those funds should. in their appropriation, derive a common be 4{), ne;it from theM, whether in the mode of eine:oton or any other. sehl"d "''Bits were Runyan Catholic childrea debarred from attending? ) By - what law? By what rule? He supposed eu eo i;i their conscientiens scruples prevented them. Was he right or .6, 4 ' l 4:wrong ? (Cries of ' Right !" " Wroug!".) If he- was wrong ki e Tqq l Y- he teethed to be corrected. If there existed any rule whereby :fe e ',7; 3 ' • the . Roman Cetholic child was prohibited entering those schools, e e e e . Z"'' he itswas eniaquitous "(.Hear,:hear4 •' , He believed • s so;; e lie eivasS kept out by the circumstance of his scrupulously and . 41 1 h e e 1 a k-e -, cirtisCietitieusly he Hew it wrimg to go into a school where the 7 7 7 .3 tillage' Was real. (Hear, . hear.) . They had been at .. ee ee "aimAre • rilitine tO',rectify this, e nd to give a •broader . basis to of the poor;—(Hear ;)—arsd- iii -order to" cons• leo ciliate the RoMan Cetlielic—to give himelueopportisultv'ef at eel-4'mb ' , lenttingitiose : Selieets by removing the obstacle presented by his seseinecienitinti; - :scrupleie they. had taken away the.. Bible as a ` - ' 11.1 4 bleitchiitel-liepk -during school hours. (Cries of .1, No! .tto !" and " Yes"! es 1") The Catholic had, in consequence, come in ; ler•but.:what" had thePtidestant children done—ur rather the Pr0.19-testant .19-testant parent on 'behalf of his children ? Ile had said. " I r4ht r ', th e se cannot permit my child to be taught in the schools, now that the - as . - a'Schiiitisbeek, has been taken away.; and I cannot airasseenreive that the whole necessary course of religious education . 1 1 1 11.- ean be accoMplished and fulfiiledby Scripture extracts." The 11 C 11 1enaltireleliect had been, that (he Protestant children hail retired ) I l c"ttsitti theis'e'echools. How stood-the Council then? -Could they , ar:esty•that their fiinds were itieulied to the general use? True, the ati 4 1 intestant had excluded himself, by not accommodating his • principleS to the rules. True, the Roman Catholic bad duce the Y , it• *erne. They were in the very same dilemma still—just in the 'ad satriepo'sition in which they had been. ( Hear, hear.) With ';'regard to Bible education, he thought, without any reference to • politics, save those politics taught by the Scripturee themselves, c; - that it was a very ,proper book for the purpose. and the only solid-basis on which a religious education could he grounoesi or 'promulgated. Reference hail been made to Lecke—a greet authority. he admitted ; he had been quoted as disapproving; 5r g et the Taniiliar use of the Bible as a school-book. But whet did Locke say of the Bible ? He gave it this eminent character: " It - has God fur its author, it has truth, without mixture of ' 4l; "'error for its matter—and it has the filial and eternal salvation 'ism of man for its end." (Hear.) Now was this a true description? 6 , 11 '• - • Was this a book to be repudiated from their schools ? He Pll l thoeght net. He did not see how they were to extricate them selves from their dilemma, without placing the Bible as a seh eo l. stook in their schools. If they did so he thought Protestant and deuce Catholic ought to be well satisfied. He was sorry to have trou bled them even with his few remarks. He hoped he had not :given offence to any. He could have wished the question or cut': Rued without reference to Toryism or Liberalism, municipal re- C.? . firm or any other measure, but with a simple desire to consider the hest Mode of education to be adopted in the schools, and • with an earnest and anxious wish which they ought to feel for the promolion trf the temporal and eternal welfare of the chil dren of the poor, without soy regard whatever to sect or party. —(Hetre) Mr. Councillor Boteros said there were two causes why they could not, as conscientious parents, send their children to the former scheebi; the one was, they were constrained to hear the reading of the authorised version of the Scriptures ; in the next place, they were instructed in the Church Catechism. He was not quite sure that they were expected also to attend church. These, he thought, were satisfactory answers to the questions which had been esked. They had also been told on a former occasion of the nuniiitilated word or, God. What was the pure and :unadulterated word of Gird ? That was the question. What - were the Scriptures? The Scriptures were taken from manescripte (,r;,trie'L. - .at date. The authorised text.was derived fro m sh e l l - collation. There were about this time about 150,1)00 versions of the Scriptures—essentially the same in shbstence— but-vilisYiogevery on, or them in small perticulars. • The Ca . thohies had as much' right to assume they Duuay version to be correet 'as V 6 have the authorised version; and the manuscripts on which it is founded are, in the opinion of learned men, the ;hest ant horisisd froth which the: Dimas version is made. He 'idaestnerely etated'thitelact—liel , entered into ,ezO,Particulore,, it was k nirtyret that tnithy of the clergytnen'Ssr :the. Church of Eng,- ihoiesSland had feßaedifficultv in - the version we , have, and,had, by ';' 11 r;• their own learning, produced malty net* versions, 'lberia was a gentleman who had examined 30,000 matfuscopte e and hack • published a new version under the: late Bishop e orS.,(exferd?s• •• ..sanction. Thee knew that Archlsishep Newsome and the cele brated Mr. Wakefield had done the same. Therewas hiliffers t ence of opinion on what was the versions and theiefore Catho-, t . • lies were as much justified in their version as we were. „It was . e . • • also known that there was much question about the authenticity • of the Scriptures. • Many had denied the authenticity of 11 : 9 Gospels and the Revelation ; and a gentleman of the Church of i 4 England and- others had contended that all the Scriptures were contained. in the GospelS and in the Acts - . The statement, thins, teiethout the unmutilated word et c God, svae an unworthy app.eal to .Ilie passions and prejudices of the people. Ha should now re turn to a :few observations of Mr. Birch's. He confessed he ▪ *as not prepared for so great a preposition as he: had made. l'hey, had done away with exclusiveness in the schools.. They lied Admitted. all parties. Formerly they were only admissible • one partve--a section—the Church of England party; and he would say, there was a peculiar propriety in introducing this 4. system; which was called the Irish system. from the great num her of Irish with which the town abounded. Mr. Birch had itskerl.why P ro t es tant Di ssen te r s died ne t go to these schools. They heel schools of their own, and he was glad to find that the Church of England were going to do what the dissenters had dune fitly years ago. The Irish were the poorest classes in the town, amid there was a greater necessity for making ample pro. vision for the education of the rank ; and the people attending these schools must be chiefly Catholics. (Hear, hear.) — 'filer had alert had much boasting of what the Church had --- now dime. They had dots- a laudable act, because it was att act dose with their own =um It was not like the appro- Isriation of the public money—of the corporation funds, for the endowment of the church. (Hear.) There was not a dissenting - - Place of worship in Liverpool which had not expended two or• three tunes the money. He did not mean to disparage, but he had heard it described as a wonderful act Of munificence. But ..!AOsfact was, they were the wealthiest people in the town; and Ite would say, that, comparatively speaking, they had d one l utle. Mr. Councillor Birch proposed to have school s on t h e "pr In c i p l es formerly practised. He was surprised at this. En inrci92 the leeching of the catechism. and going to church, west a system which a correct view of a fair and hoteaurablv thdistribution of the funds of the corporation would suggest; and e :a r i f i:n e d t h n e e (a,'" very much surprised to hear him maintain it. i;a:0,171::,,,,e.e,‘,,,,,e,„1„ti5p05ed to think that the schoolsninst still ho had never entertained the piestion that. in, the s • • A sufficient time had not elapsed e for eiv ystem a fair trial. The system of education ire these 'whe e l s founded. . h..,ii,pe ;if ei i i t e n d equal principle of justice; the sys-• le'rn•ownes.rl h . was febeded on injt4tice,. pad if oi . ir schools were to he added us the old principle- he, fu would ePpos . e . their erection, and such Ali unjust appli- 4;, - 4 . „; t' 4 ;e - PJ ,I 7 -.• a ,rts, • Cation. o tie politic funds. Ile might have spOken at more . but he,conte:ited whzq he had said. Re co; halt' -oneur::ed in the t.ievoi of Mr. Blackburn. (Loud cries The NI A . Yuit said. he did not wish to give a• silent• vote on that occasion, particularly as 11 , ;.had nut been Fortunate enough to be in toe coancli. when the system - of the schools passed; or he should have been iu the majority on that occasion. Two Sundays ago he had heard these worthv chief Rector preach a most excellent sermon, and he had taken for his text "Train up a child in the way iu which he should go." Now that should be his, text:. and they saw the example of training up children in the manlier in which they ought to go by the fanatical clergymen who had come amongst them. Where were they educated —awl how? That's the question. In Ire land ; where the Protestant was taught to hate the Catholic, and the Catholic the Protestant. That was the system they had been brought up in ; and he thought the system they were about adopting was a very happy one for teaching the young that part of their duty to their. Creator was, to love their . neighbour. These gentlemen were very humble. • They pre tended to have a great deal of meekness amt mildness. And vet they saw spiritual pride oozing out of every pore. The intemperate language they. used with regard to the catholic faith could not be confined solely to the . faith—to the religion; it must extend also to the individuals who adopted that religious persuaSion. Would anybody tell him that that language could be used and they not feel a hatred against their brethren ? And, was it christian-like ? - Certainly slot. And if they pretended to say they did not feel that hatred, could any one answer fur it that they did not instil it into their neighbours? Look at the children at the schools. Was not the finger of scorn pointed at them ? And who had taught them to-do that? The clergy of the Church of England, in one mass. And he was not sur prised at it. They were brought up at Oxford and Cambridge, where the light of reason was scarcely ever allowed to enter; and he was nut - surprised that the clergy had thus acted. - hoped they_ should establish such . schools as the corporation schools in - every ward in the town. They would be the best antidote to the poison which these men were striving to'spread. in every part-Of the town. (Cries of " . Tiaat'l it," " Bang up to the mark," and " Hear, hear.") _ . Mr. Chuncillor iluocicuinaNK then, in a very low tone of voice, produced a speech - which .he 'proceeded to read. 'lle spoke with such indistinctness and rapidity that all we could collect of the oration was:—That Iv! 'lad not made up his mind yet on the subject ; sod he expel el he should have to leave the room when they came tJ ym,• on it. The objection to the system appeared to be, that the Bible was not admitted es a school-hook.. The selections weremade use of on the highest.au thority. lie thought this the best touting on which the schools could be placed. If protestants and catholics could not go all the - way together, let them go as far as they could, and leave the rust of their scriptural education to parents and ministers. Me. Councillor EN RYLA wuuNcu could not concurring iu wbaa - fallen from the Mayor that it w ighly proper •• to train. up a child •in the way in which he should go ;" and he begged to compliment him, and the Council at large, on the highly - tuperateinanner iu which be had expressed his opinions. (•' Hear" he Mayor looked inexpressible things ) Mr. Councillor Joao", lie, , , 4 ed to say that the system was in accordance with the views of the Ward which he represented. There had not been a public meeting called for the purpose of instructing him, but he considered he was right in expressing that opinion. lie also took the liberty of remarking that, hav ing been one of the thunders of one of the largest schools in Li verpool, which he had attended now for 30 years, that they had trained up children in the way in which they should go. without the assistance of any Clergyman. The only direction they gave to the parents of the ehitaher, was to take them to a place of worship on Sundays, when they got taught. They had educat ed a great number of childien in that way; and none of them, with only six exceptions, had been liable to public reprobation. They had now a very excellent man as master, who was ser geant in his Majesty's 6th Regiment, and a better man could not be.—(Loud cries of "question,"—" cut short the panegyric of the sergyant.") _ _ _ Mr. Councillor LA W ENCE HEywooTti rose amidst loud cries of "spoke," "spoke." After repeating for some time that it was in explanation, he was allowed to proceed. "ft is as my motion was not se,onded, I trust that your motion, as to the nuMbei of schools, will be carried out.—not only as regards Li verpool, but in the country at large, and on the voluntary princi ple." The Mayor then proceeded to take the division on Mr. Coun cillor Blackburn's amendment first—" That the schools be continued under their present management," when there ap peared fur the amendment — The Mayor. Aldermen—W. Stuart, T. Booth, J. Hornbv, C. H. Jones, W. Brown, T. Leathotn, I'. Smith, R. Benn, E. Evans, W. P. Freine, T. B. Barclay, G. Robinson, W. Blain, I'. Bulky. Councillors—J. Holmes, W. Thornhill, C. Rawdon, S. - Hope, E. Harvey, A. M'Gregor, C. Logan, E. Smith, 11. Holmes, L. Heyworth, J. • Mellor, J. Walmsley, T. Bolton, W. Rushton, J. Woollright, R. Bright, W. Rathbone, J. Carson, W. Max well, W. Las Sell, T. Brocklebank, T. Morecroft, 'l'. Blackburn, V. Higgins, T. coglau, J. Mason, G. Holt, G. Ramsden, J. Platt, F. Jordan. Against the amendment.—.l. Heyworth, J. Barton, C. Birch, J. Bibby, C. Lawreusse, H. Lawrence, J. N. Wood, E. Crop per. J. Smith, .1. Cropper, Jun. Moon. aud,O. Heyworth, Aldermen ; it. Hough ton, W. Shand, H. Hornby, J. Lawrence, J. S. Leigh, W. W. Currie, and W. M.. Duncan, Councillors. • . • For theAmendinent 45 Against • ... It) • Majority M. (.3.196110r ,li,ArroßoNii said he might be allowed to state that had Mr. Caine and Mr. Hornty been present they would have voted For the amendment. itninediately replied, that hail Mr. Shand and M. Houghton i)-cen present, tit 'y would have voted the other way, Mr. Councillor J. cItOpPER then begged to withdraw his mu tion,.as he 'Uousidered this.decision had decided it. •Itut.tioyis.mgNT ot , THE GAOL. . r • The TOWN . -Cl.Eiti: then read the report of the Gaol Com mittee, together with the s'atement of the returns of pri soners, autheuticat4 by the governor. He then read a .coin .tuurvicati.n for the better classification of prisoners, together With a proposed alteration in the cooking department, the esti mated cost of which would be about £5O. lie then read a me morial from Thomas Handle, praying to be restored as turn key, he having been suspended for having allowed one of the debtors to go into that part of the building belonging to the females, and be shut up there ail night, to which the Gaol Committee replied that they could not recommend his case to consideration. • Mr. Councillor J. HOLMES moved that the report be con firmed, and that the money he expended on the gaol, which was seconded by Mr. Alderman Blain. The Clouiwil then hastily broke up, without the question being either put or the motion being carried, at a little before three o'clock. THEATRE-ROYAL, LIVERPOOL. FOR THE BENEFIT OF MISS KELLY, Late of the Theatres-Royal, Drury-lane. Covent-garden, and English Opera-house, on which occasion she will repeat her " Dramatic. Recollections, and will appear in Two principal Dramatic Characters, being positively her last appearance in Liverpool, as the arrangements of the Theatre prevent any further extension of her Engagement. m ills present FRIDAY EVENING, the 25th instant, MISS KELLY will present an entirely original Enter tainwent, arranged by herself, entitled DRAMATIC RECOLLECTIONS, IV/ TH STUDIES OF CHARACTER, which has been received with unparalleled success in London, and in all the principal Theatres of the sister kingdom. Pala I. Introduction—difficulties in going alone—Stars. STARS ! . . Feminine Advice—Lady Savage, her Dogs and Daughters— Mrs. Parthian obliviscent Retninis , :ences—Biographical Glances —Early Patronage—John Kemple—Pincushion and Crown Piece—Girlhood and Womanhood—Debateable Land— Macadamized Music—A Recipe. BRAVURA. Discomposed by Mr. I'. Cooke. Mr. M'Credit : a sweet expression—Hints and Compli tneuts—A Theory —Mrs. Siddons—Constance's Tears—Sally Stinpkin. in Serxice, b u t on t o f Pl ace —C o untry Engage ments—Costume—Yarico's Skin—The Spinning Wheel—One g ood tint deserves anoth,,r—Orchestral Aliseutees.—Sung— " Hope told a flattering Tale," in D. With itdisbanded Flageolet Accompaniment. PAItT 11. Jourueying—We!sh Harper—Modern Plagiarism. Song—Welsh Air. First introduction to Irish Character—Scotch Woman— Terence and no Clasbic—Car's Tour—Dublin—The Peggy ! Nell'b Laugh—lrish Kindness—O'Dunnelly's Farewell. " Getting. up a Benefit.' Mrs. May's Piano-forte, and Mr. Miffy's Letter-forte—Coach Pathos and Minnte Interview. After_ which the Melo Drama of TIIE MILLER'S MAID. Phoebe • (the Miller's Maid) Miss Kelly, (As originally performed by her in London.) Tu conclude with the Ifetit Comedy of THE MIDNIGHT' HOUR. Flora .. Miss Kelly. Ou MONDAY - next. Mrs. CLARKE'S -BENEFIT, on which occasion Mr. KEAN will perform, being positively his only appearan . ce this seasan, when, will he presented the Tragedy of HA Hamlet, .The Ghost, Mr. Stuart ;' Polonius, Baker; ; Leertes,. ilowasd; , The Queen, Mr4.`Skoley"; 'OPhelia, Miss Faucit.---After which, for the first time these sik years, the splendid .Eastern .Drama .of ALAI) ! DIN ; or, 'Tits WoNDEFtyui.:•LiissP. :With new. , and appro priate Scenery, Machinery,, Dresses, and Decorations. Aladdin," Miss Chaplin.; ,Abenainck, :1‘1.,r. W. Howard; Kazrac, Mr. .1. Ridgway, First hide ; Second , Citizen, -Mr. G. Horneastle . ; :Pringeis 1 3adroAllbadottr,' ( t he .Cliam's.daughter,) Miss Stanley.; Alustapha,(A - laddin's Mother,.) Mrs. Clarke. Mr: . and'Airs. WOO /), on their return. from Dublin, will corn. , mence an Engag,cinent of Four Nights, un Tuesday next. TO C 0 a REsPoN.DENTs.,,,;,:I„,,, 1•.: Owing to 'the. crowded 'state of o ur columns we . are obliged to postpone the following favours :—The letter of '' Justitia," the " Address of the Protestant Ass.oCiation at Hereford" the note A' real Churchman," &C. We cannot insert anonymous communications. Zbe it spool, ~Stanbarb. FRIDAY MORNING, NOVE..IIBER 25, 1836. We could amuse our readers with lOng paragraphs of interesting incidents, related with all the circumstantiality of history—persons and places, times, and particulars, which,' after all, would probably prove to have been the figments of some minds, which are employed to keep alive aloribliC ekcitement. In confirmation of this we need only mention the death of the ex-King Charles. The disease Which caused that event, those about him could not mistake; and they who had not received information, well authenticated, ought not to have indulged conjecture. Yet by three various ways,' symptninatically different, the royal patient has been said to quit life. By cholera— inflammation of the'bowels—andthe.gout—just so, is it in the articles of foreign news, we• find in one page Carlism riding triumphant—in the next prostrate before the Christirros In the.absenCe of documentary evidence, we, therefore, forbear speculation. Sir Robert Peel, a stranger by birth, and by non intercourse with Scotland, is elected Lord Rector of TI fiEVERPOOL STAND-kith. Glasgow University ! ShJohn Camph , ell, a Caledonian from the womb, and identified by a long' life with a large portion of that country, is rejected !—the majority was 100! triumphant result!—we look at thii affair as afford-. in g demonstration, not of the sentiments of a few hun dred students only, but the sentiments of as many d red families scattered all over Britain, who were then represented by their offspring,.. ..Noreoyer; the declara tion of a University must not be valued numerically alone, though in this.r espect it here *speaks loudly enough; but according to an intellectual and moral standard. On oc casions, where sound judgment is required, -"the voice of one of these may outweigh a whole theatre of others." To form some estimate of this achievement of Conserva tism, only think what would have been the impression made, if Sir Juhn Campbell had succeeded to such an ap pointment over an English University l—lt would have been the knell of Church and State dissolation,/as this exaltation of Sir Robert Peel, to the Lord Rectorship of the University of Glasgow, is the bulleti❑ of returning health. We have heard, the town of Liverpool has heard, the whole country has heard of the corrupt and disgraceful system of education introduced into our Public SchnolS, since they unfortunately fell under the controul and management of our Municipal Corporation. One of the first fruits. the primiti, of these nova powers was to accomplish in the Town Council of Liverpool, under the sanction of legislative authority, what was done by vio lence in the Hall of Convention in France—virtually to renounce Christianity—and if there be a degree of guilt in the one case greater than in the other, we can claim it for the Municipal Corporation of Liverpool ; for whilst Gobet, and his associates, openly called upon the assem bly to cut down, trunk and branch, all religion, as a curn berer of the social soil, our Town Council have, with equal -efftelte but with more subtlety, accoMplisliehrie same ends, ty pouring poison to the root of it. In fegi• Ode Franco, the Bible was an oblation offered upon the binning altar, to Reason. In Liverpool, the Bible is either thrown aside as an " accursed thing;" or, wick edly mutilated to propitiate the demons of party. What may we not expect in the sequel of such a beginning ! It requires but little skill in political augury, to foresee events at once calamitous as regards civil order, and fatal, as regards national peace. The disastrous dawn of these proceedings forebodes a gloomy day of discontents En gland, perhaps, is doomed to run' the same revolutionary career as France—appearances seem to justify the con-. elusion. The very first step taken in France was, to relax the bonds of Religion ; and this step is just taken in England. We hope, however, that Liverpool - stands alone, in having formally promoted, and that even in the " National Schools" of her town, a system of educatitie, which can only lead to infidelity, misery, and civil :inaub ordination. Let us take shame to ourselves,' and tie overwhelmed with confusion, when we remember, that. heathen Greece, though from an error in judgment, put Socrates to death for teaching opinions :contrary to the established religion ; or, as is more dikinctly declared, fur corrupting youth; and banished Anaiagoras for pro fessing a belief, not conformable to the sacred canons.d . the state 7 -whilst we, enlightened by the gospei s sanet ion, under a Corporation Seal, a system of education, :that' confounds all principle, .blends contrarieties, and takes. away all authority from Religion. It would be better at . once to imitate France, and wholly, and declaratively, to renounce Christianity. There wlild then be no debate. able grounds faith, and many obstructions to, the free operation of that blessed boon, MuniCipal Reform, would be removed. Bit, Whilst Religion, and she Protestant Religion, is part of the law of the land, we shall ever stand for Ward to vindicate her claims, and to shield her from the assaults of her enemies. On the present:occa sion we are called forth .by some. obsery ations made by Mr. Councillor Rathbone, at the late meeting of the Town Council, and the speech and motion of Mr. Birch. Mr. Rathbone said, " He thought the children in those schools would make as good siturchmen as any in' Liver pool; but, as.he added, almost immediately after, that he spoke warmly," perhapS iris warmth had melted the "cerata. tabella," the wax' tables of his imagination,-so that 'the impress of Unitarian, Catholic, and Proteitant was not distiogidahable upOts it. In the language of Logic, the , " essential difference" of religion was lost in the "general nature" of profession. Surely he did not mean to say, that a free intercourse of Church of England children with the children of Catholics and Unitarians would have any beneficial effect upon their orthodoxy ! we should fear, that the very atmosphere of the school impregnated, as it must be, with conflicting principles, some infidel, and some blasphemous, would receive such a moral contamination, as would render it dangerous to breathe by those who were desirous of preserving religious health. But to pass on, Mr. Rathbene said, that though he was himself a " Unitarian Dissenter, it had been admit ted by his colleagues that he had never carried his sec tarian principles into the committee." We have already commented on Mr. Rathbone's easy morals, as regards his school discipline, but if he construes this last confession into a compliment to his disinterestedness, we think it is at the expense of his religious consistency, and quite at variance with his political character. It may be a testi mony to the forgetfulness of his creed, when c onven i ent to conceal it; but, surely, it is one, that arrai gns t h e heart, and ought to wound the conscience, of an upr i g h t man. Whether Mr. Rathbone be a Unitarian Dissenter— a Papist—a Deist—or an Infidel of any other form and complexion, he cannot, if a sincere believer in his creed,, he cannot, we repeat, thus easily put it off; when called from his closet to discharge public duties,—and hence springe the mischief of opening the Council-chamber to unfaithful men. if Mr. Rathbone mcant to say, that he does not openly preach Unitarian doctrines amidst hi s committee labours, we can understand and believe him — the "Unitarian Dissenter" has too much of the Thu. minati" about him so egregiously to commit hi mse lf ; but we again declare it to he impossible for Mr. Rathbone —if an honest Unitarian (we hope we are not gnilty of a moral solecism) ever to forget his principles, ever .to act independently of them, when an opportimity, for,their exercise may occur; and there is scarcely a 'question of public business in which such opportunities do not occur. We ask Mr. Rathbone how he would act at the "Watch ComMittee" if a Unitarian Dissenter and a Church of England candidate was severally soliciting seifisi t es for an,appointment under it ? Would he not car* Iris sectarian Principles with him into the committee"Wonld not a congeniality of creed give a bias to his soul,' turn; aye, the affectionate needle to the pole, and lubricate Ids tongue, so that: it , would " discourse most eloquent music" in Braise of the former., He would find the sec s tarian mantle, which he had just before so gracefully put off', ready at hand, in which to cltithe himself. Olt, yes, we know, that if Mr. Rathbone's desires could be fully accomplished, we 'should have Unitarian .Members of Parliament—Unitarian Members of the Town Council — Unitarian Members of the Dock 'Trust Committees- Unitarian " dirt and dust men," the only offices that should be filled by Unitarians. Let Mr. RathlatiOee there fore, "chew the cud" of this bitter sarcasm, proclaimed. by his own lips, and reverberated by his colleagues, that he leaves his religious creed at home, like a dirty gar, ment, when he enters upon public duties! We never remember so severe a self moral castigation. How like all this is the language of the Christ bin—"at all times, and in all places," he is giving thinks; and, therefore, in remembrance of his faith " Whatsoever" he does he " does all, in faith." But we are not the personal enemy' of Mr. Rathbone, neither have we gone out of our way to assail there be not an impropriety in the fig,ore; We should say, he has made himself a mark, at which to shoot his own arrows; and, as no man wishes to harm himself, he thought they. were feathered only, but. in truth, they are pointed also. But we now come to the announcement of a measure to which, whether carried or not, will be affixed with eter nal infamy, the municipal Seal of Liverpool. Liverpool,. the first mercantile port in Britain, and still under a Pro , testant Ning, and a Protestant government, is content. plating the "sale of its public schools," because, to use• the language,of Mr. Birch, "the public -mind had heen vexed and t ormente d t h roue h out th e great e r p a rt of time year" by them ! "Can such things be w ithout our special wonder? " It s t an d s w i t h ou t p rec edent, and will, we hope, remain without imitatioe. Is it possible that we are sunk so low," ad Tartara," in religious discipline, that public schools must be abandoned, and for the ex tranrdinrity taus, that they 66 vex and torment" the pub lie mind ? To those who live a hundred miles from Li verpool, the whole of this proceeding will be regarded as an improbable fiction, an incredible slander upon its municipal body. But for the benefit of those who may, at that distance, read the text, we beg to offer the follow ing brief comment. The " vexation and torment " al luded to, have beet' called into existence by the semi infidel breath of Unitarianism, and at the bidding of un hallowed papacy, A school in Protestant England, and designed to raise up Protestant subjects, has been per verted into . a nursery for Unitarian schismatics, and Roman Catholic . infidels. We ask with confidence, of, any one of these advocates of liberalism, which is become a synonym of licentiousness, whether there can be found in any papal country in Christendom, a school, originally designed for the inculcation of thedoctrines of Romanism, that ever tolerated the introduction of any discipline favourable to Protestantism ? We defy every unitarian and papist member of the Town Council of Liverpool to furnish such an example. Why even papal France, where religion is shrunk, like the nymph in the fable, to a mere "vow et prceterea nihil," a protestant cannot ob tain a,decent resting-place for his ashes—" that small portion of the barren earth, which serves as paste and cover to our bones! '' What heathen nations seldom re fused even to enemies, papal France refuses to her neigh bour, at peace with her. How unlikely, then, that she would expend her funds to educate those whom she re fuses to bury But to proceed. Mr. Birch added, that " he had always been unable to conceive how any reason- I able man could attempt to justify the application of pro perty,.which belonged to the whole community, to the education of one exclusive body." It may not be Mr. Bit-6's fault to have limited powers of " conception"— that they are not very ample we shall soon discover. If Mr. Birch meant, that the " whole community" have an indefeasible right in the "property" of these schools, he asserts wore than we are willing to believe he intended. Whilst he is planting in the same soil, a Unitarian, a Papist, and a Protestant, how could he justify the exclu sion of the Dei s t.; a fearfully numerous portion of society ? Or, does Mr. Birch maintain (it is the legitimate issue of his principle) that in these schools, every section of be lievers and unbelievers, ought to find masters to teach, and books to instruct them, in their several creeds? Shall we have the Bible in three contradictory versions—the one as read by the Romanist—another as read by the Unitarian—and a third as read by the Protestant church man? And shall we have, for in consistency we can not deny it, the latest edition of Paine's. Age of Reason, for i .the Sci Ons of Deism ? How can you refuse any one of these ?—each urges his claim with the same argument — and you . must grant all, or abandon your principle. But, narrow as appears to be Mr. Birch's "conception," surely it"rnight have compassed the conclusion, that public funds in . 4 - Protestant country, applied to the support of a Na :tional*hool in the ware country, were designed for the promotion of Protestant education—and had any doubts l ariseri - in his mind, he might easily have removed them by referring to theappropriation of those funds, before the new li ht of municipal reform cast its ominous shade Hover it. But we fancy we can see in the tenor of Mr . Birch's speech a conciliatory disposition, and so far we respect it, but we cannot suffer a compromise of our prin 'oiple--e.we condemn, unqualifiedly, the grounds upon which he would make peace-0/ tempora ! 0! mores ! In the nineteenth century of the Christian Era, to hear of propositions to abandon the discipline of schools, founded upon religious principles, and to "endeavour to intro duce a systeM of what might be called secular educa tion !"--this, a little more amplified in expression, means, to throw overboard the compass of religion, by which, liaLerto, under the tutelage of our national schools, the vessel of life has been directed through the storms of passions, kept clear of the rocks and svrtes of temptation, and, we hope, and believed, finally conducted, in nu merous instances, into the haven of Eternal rest. If we must make an electiorrbetween the alternatives of no .or the religion of unitarians and papacy we give our voice for total exclnsion—darkness is preferable to the light of an ignis fawns. But we will hope better things, and trust that this question, still unsettled, may be settled to the honour of Liverpool. And, that, as already the public voice has proclaimed the management of the national schools, by the newly-modelled municipal corporation, to be a public wrong, there will be made an attempt, at redemption of character by directing the funds of the corporation into their former channels, to fertile anti refresh, as was originally intended, the lovely fields of Protestantism. We have one part ing word for Mr. Rathbone—he said " that the member for Everton had asked him if the Bible were read during school hours ? "—and he answered " If a Mahometan were asked, whether he believed Moses to be a true prophet, he might answer, " yes "—if he were further asked, whether lie believed in Jesus Christ? he might also answer "yes"--but in both cases the "yes' of the Mahometan would be precisely like the "yes" of. Mr. Rathbone---snegatives to the interrogatives of a Christian. And Mr. Rathbone's ' yes "is" in foro con scientice" no—for he knows that the Bible, as was under stood in the interrogation, was not read, but a Bible from which, as was significantly implied in Mr. Heyworth's question, and to which no answer was given, the second commandment is expunged from the Decalogue. We are sot ry to bear a man of Mr. Rat lib(ase's station thus " pal ter with us in a double sense." If the Unitarian Bible countenances such mental equi vocation, the Protestant Bible rigorously condenins it. " Who," says our Bible, "shall ascend into the hill of the Lord ? "—to which the answer is, and . we "mesa it in )en the attention of Mr. Rath bone—" He that . speaketh the truth from his heart." In the performance of our. public duty, we have pub fished, in another column, a faithful report of the discus siOn which . took plat , 1 Common Council, on Wednesd ty last, relative to the Corporation schools. The great interests Which are involved in the decision of the Connell, render it , unnecessary on our part to offer any apology to our - readers, for again directing their serious attention to this subject. Its baneful influence on the religious principles, and moral habits of the rising ge nerationis sufficient to enkindle the . zeal of the. philan thropist, and lead him, by every means in hi s power, to . ayert those evils with which Our social Compact is threat ened.' We record with feelings of the deepest shame, and burning indignation:the degrading fact that in Pro testant England,'end in a town, heretofore distinguished- for its allegiance' to the 'HouSe of Hanover, and re , nowned for its uncompromising attachment to the prin einles'Of , the refOrtnation, that any body of men could be fonnd, acting under the authority of a Protestant King, to gratifY the ambition of party, should league themselves together against the circulation of the Sacred Sripinrea',,and:shut gu.t the light of .truth from the youth ,of, our. generation'. 'We-say the alliance which our Town Conpcillors . ,have, formed, is both disgraceful, inconsis .tent,, andamnatural...- The infidel, the papist, and the political dissenter; - actnatediby r a feeling of hatred to Crod, , have,:uoited their'fOrces, and commenced a crusade against the civil liberties, and 'religious privileges of their townsmen. :Time •was, when Liverpool, the first in commercial enterprise, was also foremost in deeds of charity = When arnple 'provision was made for the reli ginUS, and 'noval eduCation of her children—when tem pies. Were raised tO the Living God, and his worship Celebrated--when the riches %%hie!) rewarded her industry and enterprise _were expended in .extending those than. nels of industry, and in promoting the happiness of her people. Then her Council was held in horkenr—their authority recognised—their laws • Then the . Paternal hand of her local" gover'nment was extended to ' succour the needy—to protect the oppressed—and t o re lieve the necessitous. Hospitals were built and en. dowed---Infirmaries and Dispensaries erected by th e voluntary subscriptiOn of her people, also experienced the fostering care of her r ulers, the streams of her charity - th,wed in every direction —religion, regarded as the `spring . of ,such' benevolent acti o n s was h a d i n honour. :But what a contrast do we now witness! A reform has taken place ! The demon of faction has raised his hideous head amongst us, and party prejudice has nar• rowod the intercourse between m'an and man. Her wealth is now expended in rewarding the ambitious design of some daring adventurers, whose only claim do prefertn!qa is, tnat they have united the insolence of licen tiousness, with the foolishness of ignorance. Her places of trust and honour, are now filled by Men distinguished fur their'Strong party.predeleel. n. Her Council is non regarded as a curse, instead of a blessing---her Council lorS'are still the honourable of the earth, but their laws are prejudicial to the interests of her people. The obli gations of morality are relaxed, and the streams of her charity narrowed, if not entirely shut up. But we must hasten to notice the speeches of those Councillors who took part in the discussion on Wednesday. A petition was presented from the inhabitants of the North Toxtetli Ward, against disposing of the Schools. Mr. Councillor Platt, in proposing that the memorial be received, took occasion to contradict the oft-repeated as sertion that the Bible was excluded. Now, we are ready to believe this gentleman spoke the truth, and believed what he asserted; but will he favour the public by telling them to whom Mr. Aspinall read the Bible, and at what time ? He may understand the Irish, English or Scotch systems of education, but it is very clear lie does not understand logic :—" He was happy to say, that so far as he had gone, the reports were utterly unfounded." What might have been the result had he gone further we cannot say, but we are inclined to think he confined his attentions to the little knot of Protestant children who were near the door. Mr. Councillor E. Smith wished for delay in order to ascertain the sentiments of the public. The meeting at the Amphitheatre was a mere faction in his estimation, composed of - political partisans, and not at all expressing the opinion of the people. We would recommend a meeting in Clayton-square, if this sage • Councillor would unite the respectability, the property, and the talent of the town in furtherance of his favourite scheme. After this little bye-play, Mr. .councillor Birch addressed the Council on the subject of the schools. His speech- is marked by sound reasoning and a disposi tion to conciliate all parties by providing education for each. We advise ohr readers to give his speech a careful perusal. He grapples with the question as an honest man, and seeks not to evade its difficulties by quibbling or vituperation. The motion of Mr. Councillor Birch was supported by Mr. Councillor John Smith. An amendment was moved by Mr. Councillor J. Crop per, "that it be an instruction to the Finance Commit tee to sell the schools," which amendment was se conded by Mr. Councillor E. Cropper. Mr. Coun cillor Blackburn moved as a further amendment, " that the schools be continued under the direction al the Education Committee," &c. It will be in the recollec tion of our readers, that when the subject was under dis cussion, previously to being introduced, this .gentleman made a speech which some of our contemporaries praised very much, but of which a few discerning critics thought very differently, and both his learning and his logic were freely criticised, very much to tlie Councillor's annoy ance. On this occasion, " he could not gire a silent vote," very much to our regret, as it imposes upon us the unpleasant task of dissecting this speech, which consists of an immense mass of unmeaning verbiage, filthy allusions, coarse satire, and frothy declamation. We could condense into two or three shot t sentences all that ' is worth notice in the observations before us. If we had time we could fuinish some choice specimens of incon sistency in the honourable Councillor's address. How ever, we but anticipate. There were two grounds of argu ment which he wished to combat ; first, that these schools were opposed by public opinion ; and the second, teat they were strictly, after all, sectarian schools. By "public opinion in the present instance, they were to understand, the opinion of the majority." We cannot conceive why an exception should he made here ; the opinion of the ma jority is in almost every instance acknowledged,. but, "in the present instance," .such en opinion suited the Councillor's tactics. He then vents a little spleen against the ConservativeS, because his understanding failed him —he could not comprehend howr.any man who supported such a system of Education for•lseland, should., oppose it in England. Are th -Tories to blame, because this sage Councillor can per n in the circumstances, the habits,and the pr dices he Irish people, different from those of the Liverpool public ? The "furies may have much to answer for, but if they are to be made ac countable for the dearth of intellect «hick ,is every day witnessed in the Council Chamber, and to be responsible for all the nonsense which is there spoken, we hays no hope for them; for such a mill-stone would sink them for ever. We charitably suppose that Mr. Councillor Blackburn never read Lord Stanley's letter to Mr. Adam Hodgson, or if he did, could not understand it. Mr. Councillor Blackburn is professedly a christian, and we would in dulge the hope that he is one, but how can he reconcile it to his conscience to characterise the zeal which is manifested on every hand for the disseMination of the Scriptures, "the cant of excluding the Bible to annoy a patriotic Ministry." Is this hatred to truth, or has the frenzy of party feeling unseated his reason ? We shall next be told that the Bible itself is but cant, and this too, by a man, who in the reports which are annually circulated of the Sunday Schools in connexion with the Independents, grounds their claim to public support, upon the considera tion that the Bible is taught in the Schools and the chil dren are " trained up. in the way they should go." But we • turn from this subject with disgust. We pass on to notice a charge which is preferred by Mr. Councillor Blackburn against the Tories, and which, we hesitate not to say, he knows to be false—" that the !eve of the Protestant cause and zeal for Conservatism, led them to abuse the police and coquet with the keepers of saloons." Is this true? Is this honourable ? Answer : the charge ye hundreds and thousands who have raised yotir voices in favour of Scriptural Educat ion) Answer this Mandel er, yeTradestne.n and Operatives,whose zeal for the Conservative cause has struck terror inththe hearts of your opponents. We antici pate your indig,nant reply. We profess ourselves Conser vatives—we love our Constitution —we. reverence our reli gion—we hate falsehood—we shrink front dishonour. For ourselves we throw back the imputation with con tempt. Prove your charge against us. \V dare yen to the proof. Mr. Councillor Blackburn then enquires for evidence that the public opinion is against them, and in • the absence of such evidence he maintains it is not. Hear his own words : " Was it not a fact that a very considerable proportion of the mostinfltrential members of the Church of Enghend supported, and approved of these schools ? An immense- Majority of dissenters high) appreciated, and ' , a ided the importance of th e population w e S t :it lestwilt v system, and the Roman: Catholi c l • them to a man." :We- deny t he correctness of the first part Mr. B o l f ac ti k ie bu a rs s n 7r t t . i i ( s i i n :r an s d he a ti l ir the p v io , 'e no better ti tan hi s understanding, we will glance over the fi e ld, and rec k on the number, and spe cif y the characte r of his. allies. There are on the one hand, the Infidel phalanx —the Unitarian band—the Popish confederacy; and on the other the rebellions=and the revolutionary di vision. You have with you the Irish ruffian and the po litical incendiary. Such is your army ! It possesses the elements of strife, but it lacks that discipline and unity o f purpose necessary to successful warfare. We give M r . Councillor Blackburn joy of his allies. Give es proof of your numbers—give us indication of your power. We know the empty nature of vcur boasting., and laugh to scorn your foolish, and unmeaning threats. Mr. Coun• cillor Blackburn's independence of public opinion we ad mire; it is in exact accordance with our views ; but we despise that slavish subserviency which was manifested when it was necessary to secure the public favour, as a stepping -stone to power. W e proceed.—ln noticing the goodly proportion of Protestants who were in the schools, (250 to 1050 Roman Catholics,) he relates the persecutions they suffered from the vulgar. rabble, and declares it was necessary to call in the police before quietness could be obtained.. Could I he not also have told the Council how Mr. Councillor Rathbone was pelted, and how when two y o ung•erchins were apprehended for throwing stones at the children of the Corporation School, it was deemed of so much conse ge,nt in uence, that Mr. Rathbone, in his char acter of Ma g istrate, repaired to the Judicial Bench a n d gave, judgement favour " of the little :ears belonging to our schools." We must, however, hasten to a conclusion. Mr. Coun cillor Blackburn asserts that one hour each day in the week the Billie Was used, and that Protestants ought td be satisfied with this! This is candid. Now we have the truth, and Protestants must judge upon , ghat ctindititinit they would send their children to these He adds, that the arrangement is so admitable, (11.1 t a man of re ligion or of no religion, might receit e, and, We stippos;el give instruction, without any Compromise of principle " it was tin this ground he admired was the excel lency and glory of that system." How Consolatory thist must have been to poor Mr. Rathbone, who had been censured for teaching in the school's what he believed td be false. He would lay the flattering unction to his souli and endeavour to smile away those compunctions which he must feel when reason triumphs over passion. One word in parting to Mr. Councillor Blackburn: Never malign your ojiponent. Yon Were indignant at the innocent sarcasm of the Rev. Iltigh M'Nelle, and yet you cherish a feeling of bitter enmity against your opponents, and avail yourself of every opportunity to abuse them. Compare your slanders against the Con servative party, and say if we have ever excelled—ever equalled them ? What you call the " malignant howl of faction" we suppose was the demonstration at the Amphitheatre, when 5,000 voices Were heaid in condem nation of your system. Does it become you as a pro , fessed Christian to use such coarse language to your op ponents, at least your equals in character, in station, in learning, and respectability ; But we forbear. Nth Councillor Rathbone followed, and read a speech, Which our reporter asserts was very dry. He very considerately declined any lengthy reply to Mr. M'Neile's powerful letter. The Irish board, Mr. Rathbone says, in addition to the hour which is set apart for religious insatictioh, make it their object to promote, and they strongly recom mend—What ? Why, the reading of the Scriptures in the hour set apart for such purpose ! Verily this is something like a reply to Mr. APNeile., We intend in our next number to notice at length the speech of this honourable Councillor. If some of the members of the Town Council would entertain a little more respect foe the understandings of their constituents, it would be bet= ter, and not insult them with falsehood, and calumny, and abuse. The reasoning of Mr. Councillor Rathbone reminds us strongly of a passage of Pope's, when he says, " that in every sect or party the most ignorant are the most violent." Our friend Mr. Councillor Lawrence Heyworth followed Mr. Rathbone, and his long effusion, has laid a tax upon our Italic ease. It is only on the principle which he laid down that we can justify its ap pearance in our columns. We can at any rate rival the famous Hypnologist. To our readers we say, read Mr. Councillor Lawrence Heyworth's speech the " last thing going to bed ;" it is sure to produce " Nal ture's sweet restorer, balmy sleep." Mr. Coun cillor Lassen followed, and the peroration of his speech was quite in a supplicating mood ;—" Grant," says he, " to the Committees their confidence for ano ther year, and give them a fair chance of success." We are disposed to be liberal, but not at the expense of truths We cannot sacrifice a principle to gratify a Town Council= tor. They arenot of sufficient importance now-a-days. Mr. Wahusley came next, but it is very clear from the tenor of his speech that he-did nut understand the subject, as we will prove on Tuesday. But that is of no conse quence,—a Councillor talks against time. Mr. Coun— cillor E. Smith came next in succession, and his speech was a perfect comment on the frequent interruptions he had given during the course of Mr. Blackburn's address. When Mr. Councillor Blackburn expressed his independ , ence of the public, or rather of the "vulgar rabble,"--= Mr. Councillor E. Smith broke silence by his sig• nificant—"Hear, hear." Now, however, we find hint standing forward as the representative of a large ward, and arguing from these very circum stances that his opinions should have great weight with the Council. It is very (cell that this worthy Councillor informs the public that he was educated at the Royal Institution, as no one would ever have sus-. pected it, if his speech is correctly reported. We have some amusement in store for our readers, which we shall endeavour to produce next week. Mr. Councillor James Heyworth's speech will amply repay a careful perusal : it is candid, faithful, argumentative, and full of sound rea soning. We shall endeavour, at a future time, to glean some of its beauties and present them in a more concise forma It stands alone in this discussion for perspieuity and richness of thought. Mr. Cemicillor 'Bolton next engaged the attention of the Council, and said that as " conscientious parents they could not send their children to the former schools, because they were constrain ed to read the authorised version of the Scriptures." In the next breath he tells us there are about 150,0(X) versions of the Scriptures. "There was a gentleman who had examina ed 30,000 manuscripts, and had published a new version." " Archbishop Newsome had done the same," (that is, examined 30,000 manuscripts and published a new version.) "Mr. Wake• field had done thesame," (that is, examined 30,000 manuscripts and published a new version.) So h, ra we have 150,000 new versions, the latter three compiled from 90,0(X) manuscripts, and this learned Councillor is wandering in the endless mazes of the labyrinth, intent upon ascertaining the correct version before, as a conscientious parent, he can put the•. Bible into the hands of his children. This is very correct logic and can be sustained by the premises. The deductions are agreeable to rule. We say,—study the manuscripts! Mr. Bolton, —study the manuscripts! The Mayor could not give a silent vote on the occasion—it was too important. We will venture to say that such a composition was never heard with i n the walls of the Town-hall before. It has novelty to recommend it. If our readers will notice, they will find almost every note of interrogation succeeded in thu next sentence by a period. It is a succesion of question and answer. The Mayor asks a quesiion, and answers it according to Bann own u Inez ; audience m r.co t t i t i n i o r I Br ° e t ! a i t t i k a and ds not say s made " up his mind, and thought he must leave the room when of eo being ncui red heard i : i w .ha next t lvid f the. votes were taken. We know not fo r what ward this coun• „dim. is returne d , b u t it most possess a very fortunate constituen cy. They have a chance ti aTle froth e n Mir. t d hoeu miir:tialHen ry Law rence begged to compli ment hi m for the highly tempe ratewhich he hart exi.ressed his opinions. 'We - cannot understand the meaning of use words in Italics. Mr. Councillor Jordan told the Council that be was one of the founders of one of the largest schools in Liverpool, and that the present master was "a eejeant in his Majexty's Gth Relit., and a better man coual not be." The audience, not having any fancy for military discipline, cut short the panegyric of Mr. Council lor Jordan. The last sneaker was our old friend, Mr. Council lor Lawrence Heyworthand he made,an admirable finish. Ha trusted that, as his own motion Was not seconded, sonic other councillor's might be carried out. The "loghly temperate" principle seems to have been acted upon throughout. The mo tion of Mr. Blackburn was ultitilatelY carried. The numbers w6re-45 in favour, and 10 ; gainst. Majority 35. DRARnST LOVE, I WATCII FUI2 Tilllli."—This admirable song, of which we have received a copy, we shall notice in our next. THU TENPRRINCE lIALL.—We are glad to find that the ' Temperance Society has so far increased in numbers and re ' speet „bilit ‘ , the' a meeting has been called fur the purpose 4 considerin , the propriety of erecting a Teinperance Hall. We wish the praiseworthy undertaking every success. THE THRATIIE.--It will be seen from the Theatre advertise ments that ..I.c. Kean is engaged to play as Hamlet, on Mon dav evening next, which is am> fixed fir Mrs Clarke's benefit. -We hope, nay confidently expect, that she will have a full house. There is not a u.ote clever actress in the company when cast in characters which suit her talents. We are , however, from t he great pressure of other matter, obliged to be brief in our corn merits. . dent befel Mr . carts on the turnpike roads, an un fori o uti_tit e e s u sr c s c . i ArctnitNr.—From the inattention and careless driving of Bulkely, John- . John Parry, a traveller fur the hou t s , e ,wn f . Al •t h dh• On Thursday night John son, and Co., teti:dt‘aleis..of but we tire lair p i • c y C . o e o f u recovery. r upon t ofrE x lhi s le thisfrom O a r t r , ~ishk‘exiiri.l,ka,,, latter when Was smashed Cart ran last he was on his way hem happy against es h . is z rig Parry, s,,ttmcuhhsisio.faeoidfvere,ormt,hi. m Lich ; "d bruised w e il i l ) hitve &AGO instead of £6O, head, which be cut to 'ay that he is inth W e d V A N Illirhi,y , Chief Baton discharged the rule nisi tor a new ch . e q w : i r : . 1 , had b e en obtained by hit. 13un 0. 'l' lie verdict there trial n m Letters from•Dondee announce a considerable failure time of a house in the Baltic hemp and fl ax trade. ufobreicshti‘t,iairlss,), ffrieurtel(iNlais..l,7, a c t u n iu le p n y h o t t i l l' is . The distress in Norwich is becoming claitv mote serious.— Nearly 800 weavois have been dischirged, and inure expected 40 be so. - ' , Earl ritzwilliam has contributed .1.:100 towards erecting an infant sehool at Alaiton, capable of holding from to 400 children. MI the wheat zrown by several farmers in the neighbourhood of Exeter has been taken at 7s. 6d. a bushel, to be delivered as required between this and July next. North Devon Journal. It is rutnoured by the friends of ministers that a !Arils- InPut.trY ittquiry into the operation of the hew pour law bill will not be opposed ,by government in the next sessions df paha ment.—hcnt Herald. The Jott-nal de Flandres asserts that the marriage of the Princess Victoria with the elder of the two Princes of Sale Coburg, now at Brussels, is finally settled. . .-a. ;:.,.-, ,~~; ~-: ~~~ \