The Liverpool Standard and General Commercial Advertiser. — Liverpool, Merseyside, England, 1836-01-12 00:00:00

JANUARY 12, '18:36. to Mr. Hume rather than to Mr. Buxton ? Why, just for the MELBOURNE—Of "JOHN DEAKIN, Esquire f" We have same reason for which we would not transmit them to Mr. Bul made inquiry, and we learn that his lordship's friend, who wer—just because in so doing we should be making the ques linn-of a. House of Assem bl y for this.colon y a radical question, has " gratified" and "encourag e d" his Ma j esty's minis• which it decidedly is not, arid because we S hould thus be excit- tern in so extraordinary a manner, is a clerk or agent in ing a prejudice against ourselves, on the part of the whit; and tory majority of the House of Commons. For he who it-ea- the carrier concern of Messrs. KENWORTHY net Co.,' lo glues that such prejudices can have- no place since the passing cated somewhere about the Duke's Dock—hisployers of the reform bill is a novice in politics, and has no experience of human nature." being respectable persons who carry goods, by canal and As Mr. BUXTON h as d eclined the advocac y on account otherwise, to and from the merchants and tradesmen 000 f of having, as he a pp ears to have informed them, his Liverpool. It is proper that the pl hands full of other colonial b us i n ess—as Mr. HUDIE'S should know this. Are the Messrs. KENWORTHY aware politics are so ultra-radical .as to lessen his value in the that their clerk or agent in Liverpool is the chairman of estimation of his Old Bailey friends, and as Mr. BULWER , a set of people who meet, tipple, his and spout 's in Min he Vi i tn s, e is about to vacate his seat in .parliam ent in consequence Tavern—that he is a supporter of Majster of having accepted a diplomatic appointment—we forget whom he encourages—and tha he is, uire, t undthe er the digpond nified where—we would recommend our expa triated country- cog nomen of "JOHN DEAKIN, Esq" corres men of New South Wales to turn their attention to Mr. ent of Lord MELBOURNE ? If they be t aware to us of thi for s, WILLIAM EWART or Lord EBRINGTON , both of w hom, we perhaps they will feel under some obligations must say, have been scandalously neglected by the Whig making them acquainted with so important a fact. It is premiers of the last four or five years. not every KENWORTHY who has - such a DEAKIN—JOHN DEAKIN, Esquire, the " fellow -citizen" of the prime minister of England Before we take our leave of this very silly ebullition of vanity on the one hand, and misplaced confidence and condescention on the other, we beg to ask what Mr, Councillor WILLIAM RATHBONE had to do with forward ing such resolutions to the government ? Perhaps he will tell us also what Mr. RusuroN had to perform in recommending it, and iii certifying as to the respectability of RATHBONE and DEAKIN. We do not ask for an imme diate explanation if it be unpleasant. Perhaps RATH BONE did not expectorate in the matter I—perhaps Mt. RusnToN is wholly unmixed up in it. But this we will say, that whoever did forward the resolutions to Lord MELBOURNE did an act which the noble lord will se verely censure as soon as he reads the —LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Some time ago an attempt was made to revive Oa " Brummagem Union"—but it failed, because Mr. THO MAS ATTWOOD intimated that the concern was deeply in debt, and that there was no chance of its ever effecting an "equitable adjustment" with its creditors. In point of fact the union owed money in all directions—for flags, for ribbons, for beer, for dinner bills, and for long scores in various taverns—hatefully and oppressively•looking liabilities which they either had not the means or the ho nesty to liquidate. From this cause the incorporated troop of tinkers, who threatened to march to Hampstead Heath during the passing of the reform bill, was dis solved, and expired in the agonies of insolvency pro- duced by knavery. Within the last few days, however, another attempt has been made to resuscitate the Brumtnagem Union ;, ,but, going upon the authority of Mr. ATTWOOD, take' for granted that it can only be reanimated by the previous laytnelit.of its debts. But who has-agreed , to pay ? Certainly not the members themselves ; certainly 'not Mi.. THOMAS ATTWOOD, and most unquestionably not Mr. JOSEPH PARKES. Neither the banker nor the unitarian attorney veil contribute a single farthing; and there is not a radical in England who is liberal enough 'to be so immensely foolish. But it -has been whispered to us that honest JOSEPH PARKES may have whispered to `Lord JOHN' RUSSELL the expediency of relieving his most respectable and dutiful allies out of the treasury. Mind, most critical reader,.we do not say that this has been done, or is to be done, or is even contemplated by 'Lord JOHN RUSSELL. All we mean to say is that such a sacrifice to faction and expediency might be done, with oitt compromising the character or staining more deeply the official robes of any member of the present govern ment. Honest Mr. WHITTLE HARVEY received on a late election £5OO from the then secretary of the treasury ; the commissioners appointed toinquire into O'CONNELL's corrupt and disgraceful conduct in Dublin will have to be paid out of- the public money ; and it is therefore hard that the pothouse scores of the Brummagem tinkers should not be discharged in the same liberal and bounti ful manner. That the revival of the union is worth the purchase is quite another thing, upon which we shall not presume to offer any opinion ; but we -bee enough to convince us that desperate men are prone to have recourse to despe rate measures. That the MELBOURNE administration are helpless is too obvious to admit of any manner of doubt, and that they are seeking' support in quarters . the most despicable, and in terms the most humiliating, we Can prove flom a document emanating from no less a personage than the prime minister himself. In the Liverpool Mercury of Friday last, in an ob scure corner, and printed in the very smallest types, we find the following : " PITT-STREET WA R n.—On :Tuesday evening last the com mittee of reformers for Pitt-street ward dined at the Vine Tavern, Pitt-street, Mr. Deakin in the chair, when they were honoured with the company of their representatives and several of their friends. During the evening Mr. Blackwell, a member of the committee, presented the chairman with an elegant silver Snuff-box, bearing an appropriate inscription. During the evening the following letter from Viscount Melbourne, in refer ence to an address of thanks and confidence sent up from a previous meeting in the ward, was read by Mr. ltathbone, and received with great applause:— " • S have received with the most lively satisfaction the cepy.of the resondious which you have transmitted to me, and I beg that you will, on the part of my colleagues and myself; assure those who composed that meeting at which they were agreed to, that we -feel ourselves much gratified and encott; jPd by the expression of the continued confidence of our Fllow-citizens. - " I remain, sir, " Your faithful obedient servant, " ' MELBOURNE. We have again in the discharge of an important, and however amusing, .atthe same time a disagreeable duty, to present to our readers a full and accurate retort of the proceedings in the Common. Council on Friday last. We beg them to favour it with their earnest attention. From trifles sometimes spring important considerations, and that which may be at first sight only ludicrous, if not contemptible, often teaches lessons of far more value than any which can be purchased in the schools of science • • or the halls of philosophy. It is true that'what is called debating in the reformed town council is nothing better than squabbling, and would end in vile epithets and fisticuffs but for the mild demeanour, the excellent temper, and the commanding attitude of the gentleman who has the misfortune to pre side as chief magistrate. But as even in a dog-fight we might learn the art of war, and see proofs of courage and ferocity, both instructive enough in their way ; so in the reformed council we see in vulgar contention, coarse in vective, and inveterate jealousy, those elements of per petual warfare which render thelnen who are under their influence totally unfit to protect the interests of the com monalty, and execute the important trusts confided to " ' John Deakin, Esq., Liverpool.' " What was the nature of the resolutions which were transmitted to the noble premier from this precious corn rnunity of obscure radicals who meet at the Vine Tavern, in one of the lowest localities of this town, we have no means of knowing ; but that they were expressive of the unbounded confidence of the frequenters of the Vine Ta• vern in his Majesty's tninisters, and redolent of their fixed determination to support them=—and particularly Friar Tuck and Little John—will hardly admit of any disputation. They must indeed have been ususually sa voury:and adulatory to have given the most lively satis faction to his lordship, and amazingly rich in promise tc have wrung from him the pitiable confession that they 4. ‘ ENCOURAGED" the servants of the crown to retain oftee,,and persevere in their unacknowledged but well• understood alliance with DANIEL the beggar and the po. pish priests of Ireland. • Lord MELBOURNE has condescended to call the folks Who meet at the Vine Tavern, in the curious neighbour hood to which we have alluded„ his "fellow citizens." The phrase snacks of the days of DANTON and the French revolution, when every illiterate scavenger, un der that title, considered himself equal to the most vir tuous and distinguished of the nobility of France—equal to them not only in eligibility to power, but also in the possession of that intelligence and those accomplish !Bents which qualify the learned, the well-educated, and the independent inhabitantS of a country to legislate for those whom PROVIDENCE never intended should do aught else than cobble the shoes, scour the gaiters, .or sweep the chimneys of persons in the same grade with them selves or the grades above them. GOD forbid that we should ever impose chains upon the intuitive genius or the native merit, expanded by a laudable ambition, o humblest of the human race ! We would libel our country, libel all the institutions of our country, and do outrage to our own feelings, if we were for a moment to espouse the idea that the genius of man, like the spi rit of life, did not come . ciiectly from the hands of a be neficent CREATOR, or that HE cannot raise the meanest to the station of the greatest and the noblest of man kind. This truth is written in all our records—it . is proved by the events of all time—ioms spoken from the judgment seat—it is demonstrated in our halls of science—it stands, in unchallenged immortality and in bold relief, upon the pedestals of our most cherished and venerated monuments. No, the poor man is not shut out from the path which leads to fame. England, we are proud to say, invites, nourishes, and encourages talent, no matter under what garb it appears. All we contend for is, that humble poverty is incompatible with the dis charge of the duties of a magistrate—that all men are not born equal—that the doctrine of equality is a fraud— that NAPOLEON was ,not the equal of the man who cleaned his -boots—that EGERTON SMITH isnot equal to Professor WHEWEL—that Colonel WILLIAMS, even in his winter ducks, is not on a par with the Duke of WELLINGTON — and that Mr. WILLIAM EWART has no pretensions to the oratorical talents of GEORGE CANNING. The language therefore of Lord MELBOURNE is not that which should proceed from the prime minister of the King of England. It is not the language of an English patriot—it is tho roughly French, fulsome, nauseous, and repulsive. The noble lord is not a burgess of Liverpool—the man he addressed is not a citizen of Liverpool—the absurdity a nd ignorance of the one are only rendered more ludi crous by the obscurity of the other. The anomaly would not have been more pitiable and contemptible if this man DEAKIN had called the noble lord " Mr. LAMB, Prime Minister of England," and Lord MELBOURNE had ad dressed the other as the " Right. Honourable JOHN DEA ICIN, carrier, Liverpool . !" How foolish is all this But who is the correspondent of the Lord Viscount their care. 'Already the town council is torn by dissentions from "within." They cannot say that the burgesses annoy them by the pressure from " without," for our " fellow citizens" are not allowed to be the witnesses of their proceedings, or feast their ears upon the eloquence of the numerous orators. They are not only excluded, but the radical members have taken care that no reporter shall be admitted to their preliminary discussions. The word preliminary may not be generally under stood, and therefore we beg to explain that the reported proceedings of these immaculate and liberty-loving ra dicals are only the formal representations of what has previously been rehearsed. They have, an imperium in imperio at the Angel Inn or some other snug hole and c orner, where the majority of the council meet and there deliberate and concoct 411 the measures whieh they propose to introduce and discuss in the council chamber. They have a penny-reel parliament of their own, where noses are counted, friends are consulted, and where the patronage of the corporation is voted away long before the other members can be aware of their movements or intentions. This is their respect for public opinion! The public know nothing of their real reasons for the de cisions they come to in this petty star chamber at the Angel Inn. They who profess to. love free discupion. exclude every ray of popular sunshine from their preli minary proceedings; and who is the originator of any given tnotien, the opposer of that motion, or the motives which are alleged for supporting or opposing it, are care fully concealed from the great body of electors. In point of fact this coterie of blazing radicals, have, by their se cret and sinister proceedings, already reduced the re formed corporation to as close and corrupt a borough, ir responsible to the burgesses, as any that ever existed in England in the worst of times. Their conduct, indeed, in this respect, is so disgrace ful,that we cannot find words sufficiently strong to, con vey the disgust which it has excited in every part of Li verpool. On Friday these worthies, at an early hour in the morning, met in their hiding-placerand decided upon twenty ,four of their friends whom they resolVed to re commend as justices for the town. They agreed to cram them down the tbrOats of their colleagues at one - gulp; and down the whole twenty-four would have gone, had not the Mayor, Mr. War. EARLE, Mr. LEATROM, and others declared, with considerable earnestness, that such was not ,the way they were accustomed to take physic. Who the twenty-four were we would give something to know, but as they will, no doubt, be proposed to-day we shall perhaps be enabled to guess. By the way there was some notice taken of certain re marks which appeared in this journal of Friday last, but as Alderman ROBINSON, who . commenced them, did not know what he was talking about we pass them over for the present. We thank the Mayor for very promptly and very successfully putting a stop to so absurd a scene. LONDON LATEST NEWS. City, Saturday Evening, Half-past Seven o'clock. The news of the destruction by fire of a great portion of the commercial section of the city of New York has created great excitement, and to a very great extent suspended commercial 'operatiblis. Considerable speculations will, no doubt, be entered into here, in order to supply the articles of which such immense quantities have been destroyed—and the result probably will be an overstocked rparket. Articles connected with the building trade will, of course, be in great demand. But the shippers must bear in mind that there are but few if any policies granted by the great English fire-offices, and that the American offices are not very likely to pay in full. The money market has been rather sombre to-day; consols for account in the afternoon being somewhat lower than the o pening prices, and closing at 9 . 2 i 1; and for the February account 9 . 4 buyers. Money rather scarce. Exchequer bills reached 24 in the morning, but closed at 22 pm. India bonds left off at 7 pm. Bank stock 214. In the foreign market less has been done than for the last two days past, and prices are generally on the decline. • In the share market; the gfeat western railway shares fluc tuated between 12i and 131 pm.; Brighton (Stevenson's) ad vanced to 5 pm.: and the north midland were done at 4.1 pin. ; London and 'G The Danube anare at pd Ma in. e are at I ; and the Grdiscount.eenwich are stea dy at 9 p he inm. REPRESENTATION OF ARGYLLSHIRE. Our readers, no doubt, are aware, from what has already ap- I peared in this journal, that the representation of Argyllshire is about to be toughly contested. At Dunoon, a meeting of the electors took place on Thursday, at which Mr. Campbell of Monzie and Mr. Campbell of Islay, the first a conservative, the second a whig reformer, had an opportunity of delivering their sentiments; and here we may take this opportunity of compli menting the consistency of Dunoon, on the exemplary manner in which they conducted themselves. Will it be believed that in any portion of Scotland, on a hustings too, a conservative candidate can now he heard to an end, without the slightest interruption ? However difficult of credence, such was literally 'the fact on Thursday.; and, whether it be the general opinion or not, it strikes us that this is stronger proof than anything else that can be adduced, that something like a reaction has begun, not only in the minds of the village ten-pounders, but in those of the more reflecting of the non-electors. At all events, such a gratifying spectacle as this meeting afforded could not possibly have been witnessed one short year ago. A report of the pro ceedings will be found in subsequent columns. Both candidates, we feel called upon to say, are alike respectable as gentlemen ; but in the display of Thursday, we are convinced that all who heard them, and even those who may read the outline of their speeches, will agree with us in thinking that, while Mr. Camp bell of Monzie appealed to the judgment, his warm-hearted namesake of Islay, attempted more particularly to captivate the feelings of his auditory. An Edinburgh paper, when alluding to the Argyllshire contest, has called Muncie a Perthshire land lord, because his seat is to be found in that county; but the truth is this, that two-thirds of his property is situated in Argyllshire. Of Monzie, who is a fluent speaker, and possessed of the most winning manner, it is right that this rdlculd be known. Ilis. opponent, Islay, who has " represented the county for fifteen years," is also a gentiel enn in ever y sense of the - word ; and, according to himself, if he he 'disrarded at the next election, he will keenly feel the ignominy of his sititatiou,--Ulas,yow paper. THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Mr. Councillor EARLE begged leave to second that motion. Mr. Rathbone had made some observations -as to the necessity of deciding in their nomination speedily. He understood that the gentlemen who were prepare d with lists had been convened together by note, and those who were not prepared he believed had not had the opportunity of attending that meeting. Mr. Sharpies- would make an abservation if in order. . • 'The MAYOR.—Mr. Sharpies would have the opportunity of reply. Mr. Councillor L. HEY WORTH considered the amendment of very great iniportance ;Ile did not see why the motion should not be carried, and •the amendment applied after. He would support both the motion and the amendment. Mr Councillor JOHN Hoames.—The amendment did not seem to hint to apply to the motion: The TOWN-CLERK again read the motion. The MAYOR agreed with Mr. Holmes. He thought the mo tion would,be as to the number. Iu Mr. Sharpies's motion a number was mentioned. It appeared to hint that as there could be but one opinion as to the recommendation for magistrates, that the motion of Mr. Sharpies should be adopted, and then, as to the numbers, afterwards ; the amendment would come ex 'trendy well as to the appointment. He would recommend the amendment to be withdrawn, and brought forward afterwards as a distinct motion Mr. Councillor BROCKLEBANK concurred in the observations that had been made relative to the importance of the nomina tion. He thought the number of sixteen, one for every ward would be a more proper number. As to Mr, Duncan's obser vation with regard to the residences, he did not think it was of such importance to influence their choice, as that they should choose fit and tit oper persons: Ile thought no - man should be so anxiou s to have-justice at his door, when there was a public office for the purpole of justice. lie begged to move "that sixteen be the number of magistrates appointed." Mr. Councillor Snreta—lt appeared to him that in sending - Up a recommendation for twenty-four magistrates, they thereby anticipated the greatest number that could in common proba bility be expected at any time to be required for the borough. They, therefore, in the first instance, rag the risk of not nam ing the best possible persons for the office, because in selecting twenty-four names, every gentleman would find, some difficulty iu making out so large a number of fit and proper net sons at once. But the great object . was the deploring, themselves of the power of recommending at a future peried other gentlemen in whom they might discover higher quali fications. So persons infinitely better fitted than many they would now be obliged to recommend, in consequence of having decided on so large a number, would be excluded. He would beg them to look seriously. at•what they were about; the country were looking on them. They were about to decide On a question touching the protection of those who were in most need of it, and they should. weigh that responsibility iu their minds. He thought it his duty to urge this, as he was, per haps, the representative of many persons of that class of society who most needed such protection'. He should never shrink fulfilling his duty; he should never be afraid of comings , info that council and objec:ine to any man" however much he' Wight respect him in private life if he did not think. he possess . sed all the qualifications to superintend their interests. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor itsrusiosta• had not spoken of his indepen- - dence and anxiety to protect the poor. He had quietly given his consideration for the last week in. preparing a list, and he thought that actions spoke louder. than words. Mr.. Councillor BLACKBURN. —They should bear in mind that the individuals appointed would mostly be advanced in life,' and that many individuals now appointed might cease, after a short time, from age, to act as magistrates ; deaths would also occur. He did not, there-fore, think that they should be precluded for any great length of time from appoint ing future magistrates, because vacancies would occur. He thought they should have no difficulty in finding twenty-four individuals posessing the requisite qualifications; and thought that that should be the number eledted. Mr. Councillor JORDAN concurred with " every thing" that had been said. The May - oe then proceeded to put the amendment to the vote, and afterwards the motion. The numbers were :—for the amendment, 13; against it, 42. The Mayor then declared the . motion carried. The Mayott.—The next thing which called their attention was the ntode of nominal leg the gentlemen whom in their opi eion were qttalitied for the situation of magistrates. He begged 'leave tosay, as a member of the council, that he had seen ,no fist, and did not know the names of the gentlemen to be proposed. He fhonght he ought not to be called on to vote at once for gentlemen whom he was now called on to hear nominated for the first time. 'He spoke as a member of the council. He thought they would do well to receive the names that all parties thought desirable to be recommended and to make a list of those names, and hereafter come prepared to select the proper num ber from them. For it was to be expected in a meeting of that kind that although a het be proposed, yet other gentlemen might feel themselves entitled, as they undoubtedly were, to nominate whom they thought eligible. His own opinion was. that they had a right, each individual, to have the opportunity of opposing and weighing the qualifications of each individual who was to be recommended to so important—so awful a trust. Perhaps Mr. Sharpies would suggest the mode in which they should proceed: Mr. - Councillor STIARPLES had heard the mayor's observa tions and those of others who differed from him (Mr. Sharpies.) No one was more impressed with the importance of selecting magistrates than he was, and for thatvery reason he had moved an adjournment of the question on Wednesday last to that day; and he did think it was wrong for them to say that they were unprepared; it was rather trilling with the council that they were not prepared. He did not know when they were to come prepared if they were to adjourn in that way limn day to day. He thought it rather trifling to put it off because some gentle man had not given that attention to it which others hail. He shoUld therefore consider it his duty to persevere in the original motion,•" that they should now proceed to time election of twe nty four gentlemen to be recommended to his majesty's secretary of state for the home department, as magistrates tor this borough." The MaYoa.--eßefore they proceeded he would make one re mark. The council should never find 4iim, as tilling that chair, trifling in any way with that council. The question was, that it was decided they should pray for a commission of the peace; they, with great propriety, moved an adjournment'of it to this day. They came now prepared, and he should be very glad to hear them, with a list - of such names as they thought qualified; when they had given those names in he •did think he was en titled to a little consideration of the names now for the . first time to be suomitted to that council. S Hear.) Mr. Councillor A!IPI4:S begged to state that in . 110 w the worst" trifling" he did not use ft at ail offensively. It was diffi cult in a new member to use words quite right. Mr. Councillor EAt: LE said that twenty or thirty gentlemen had been together, convened by note, and had determined on a 'list beforehand, and they now came to the council to cram that list down their throats whether they would or nut. (Confusion and cries of Order, order," "Chair.") Mr. Alderman Bnowa was not aware that the magistrates were to be nominated that day. He should like to see a list of all the name's that every gentlemen had, and that they might be discussed. Mr. Councillor RaennoNE ventured to rise to order, and to make, through the Mayor, some suggestions to Mr. Earle. He was sure he felt most kindly towards Mr. Earle, but he did think los reinalks had much' better have been spared in that council if they were to go on. He was sure every gentleman in that room would give Mr. Earle credit for " peifect" inten tions. Let Mr. Earle give other gentlemen the same credit. The meeting to which Mr. Earle had referred he believed he (Mr. B.) was invited to himself; it was no secret. He gloried in that meetinz ; he thought it was only evidence of their soli citude for the public good, and nothing of party spirit could be objected to that meeting. They met that they night take up less of the time of the- council in debating. And, therefore, he had made out a list, and he thought he was most meritorious in so doing. He thought be had given them good reasons another time why they should proceed with as much speed as possible. He trusted they should not have these remarks "cramming down," he was sure they were not intended by Mr. Earle. Mr. Councillor EARLE.—I beg your pardon Mr. Rathbone, but they were fully intended. Mr. Councillor RATH RON E.—Then I must say if they are in tended they are very offensive. The Maroit.—ln the remark that. Mr. Earle made. so long as he kept from anything personal, I had no right to interfere; and I understood him to say, that " they ought not," asihe Said rather strongly, " to have the lists crammed down their throats." No personal remark was made, and, therefore, no on need apply it personally. Mr. Couneillor 'EAR LE.—I suppose I may rise in reply? The Ma'am —Certainly. Mr. Councillor EA R LE.—lf, when I made muse of that expres sion, the cap fitted extremely tight, I cannot help it : I shall not take the trouble to retract it. (Mr. Earle continued standing, and there was a long pause; at length he sat down amidst cries of "Hear, hear.") Mr. Councillor H. LAWRENCE did not conceive that any gen tle men were entitled to such excessive merit, but that there might be many gentlemen who might produce twenty-four names fully as desirable as those to be produced on that occasion.- He did not think that any gentlemen, however impartial they imight think themselves, when they came there pledged to supeost,any twenty-four names written down on a piece or paper without heariug the other side, were very impartial. • Mr. Councillor LanTuott had not had an opportunity of at tending the meeting alluded to, though he had received a wake. He had never thought of making a list till he came into that room.. But he had since found that the number of 'twenty-four gentlemen was agreed on, who were to be proposed exclusively to that council. He did not think that was the correct way of putting the members to the council, because the number who . would thus vote would appoint the magistrates, and exclude the opinions of the rest of the council. He did think there might be many gentlemen on the other political side of the question whose intelligence would qualify them to act as magistrates for the borough, and that an o pportunity should be .granted them .of being brought forward, and that they .not dictate the whole twenty-four gentlemen. He thmght, too,:that before isentlemen were nominated it would be desirable to ascertain whether they would accept the office, if given-to them :it might save them useless trouble. Mr. Councillor fleewoeTn.—Each list was considered, anti not adopted without due reflection. - He was satisfied in his own mind that they were gentlemen perfectly eligible. Those gen tlemen who had not had an opportunity of canvassing those names might each of them bring a list, if they thou ht proper. If they were not prepared with twenty-four names, it was their own fault. Ile should have been most happy in receiving the assistance any other gentlemen of the council in suggesting names, and,if they had been debarred that privilege, it was not their own - fault; and under these circumstances•he should give his vote to the motion. The Mayon.—Mr. Lawrence Heyworth would recollect that it was only within the last quarter of an hour that the number had been decided on, so that it was impossible to have come with a list, not knowing how many would he required. He was of opinion that further time should be given. He would not agree as a councillor to recommend individuals whose names he then heard for the first time. Mm. Councillor COGT,AN begged to state, that, when he at tended the meeting alluded to, he did not consider himself bound to vote for the gentlemen whose names he heard, and he had made out a list distinct from the other individuals; and he would be bound there was a divers i ty i n t he l is ts of every gentle man present. Mr. Councillor lIORNBY.—It was in the power of any gentleman, when the names were proposed seriatim, to move au amendment. Mr. Councillor 11. LAWRENCE.—According to Mr. Sharpies' proposition. the greatest number of nam e s for any„ entleman, in the lists handed in, was to determine the election. The Towis-CsEnk was decidedly of opinion , that such au election would be • illegal , and would be held to be void; and not on any rule of law, butt on the good sense Of . the ques tion. if the members were proposed separately, a very different result might be obtained from the whole being, proposed toge ther; for many individuals would submit to vote for one person in order to secure what they thought a worthy appointment, who would not thus vote for him if he were classed one of a party. Besides that court was a deliberative court, and such a court was entitled not only to the n omination, but to the deliberation of every individual of the court in coining to a conclusion. Mr. Councillor Coo LAN wished to have the opportunity of explaining that the gentlemen who had attended that meeting, of which he was one, had not pledged themselves to any list; and there was no individual pledged so tar as he knew. lie for one, and several others, bad abstained from pledging them- selves, He had names on his list which were very likely not on the lists of others, Mr. Alderman_ FREME thought it would be a perfect nullity In them to "call" the reporters there to record the consummation of their acts if they were not to lay before the Oublic the delibe rations on their acts also ; and this being so important an aCt he thought they ought not so to du. They had no right to hear in that councii-room any decisions that had been made out of it. They were there met clearly to deliberate and act fur the public, and he thought on so important an occasion they should take great time for deliberation, and show the public that they had not interest. Mr. unadvisedly, but for the public • Mr. Councillor ArKlN.—The town-clerk had stated' that such a mode would not be legal on an election ; but as this was merely a recommendation he presumed it was for themselves to judge as to the best mode of proceeding in it. He trusted they should duly examine every name presented to them, and out of all the names select twenty-four men, the wisest, the fittest, and best qualified to fill the office. He could see . .no possible rea son, in making that choice, why a momentary delay would be in jurious—the delay of a couple of days could not do any possible harm, and might do much good. He would move as an amend ment " that we postpone the choice for two or three days longer." The MaYOR would not interfere with Mr. Sharples's motion; but thought the council should have a little time before the names were given in. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN did not know that he had been guilty of an unpardonable sin to the council in snaking a list. The Mavort.—Such a remark was uncalled for. Mr. Councillor BLACKBURN. — At the same time he was only , desirous of availing himself of the advice of others in that meet ing, and considered it was strictly within their province to as semble so together. But he thought, as a matter of courtesy, they ought to give way to the opinions of others. He thought it would be the best course to propose names, and come at some future day to decide on that list. (Hear.) Mr. Councillor SMITH was one who did not wish to "cram" anything "down the throats" of any one present, as he Would not have anything cremated down his throat. His list was per fectly independent of other lists. 'line Mavon.—Before they proceeded to the lists they would .allow him to say that he hoped the council would recollect, in the observations he made, he neither implied nor conveyed any censtne on the gentlemen who met, to arrange for the pro ceedings of that day; on the coutrarys he thought such meet ings might facilitate the business of the council'. He thought, however, after the names had been heard that they should not be called on immediately to vole. Mr. Councillor LI EY WORTH concurred in the observations of the mayor. Mr. Councillor JORDAN was totally unprovided with lists, and thought they should have time to deliberate. The Marrin.--lt had beets suggested that it - would perhaps meet the wishes of all parties if the members should send seated lists to the , mayor, to be opened-at • the next council meeting, and determine the choice of councillors by the greatest neniber of votes. He would take the sense of the council in any way they pleased. -• . - Mr. Councillor Botsrost thought that would be a very incon venient mode of proceeding. Ile thought Riese should be a discussion an 'every name as proposed. lie was pledged to no list ; he should vote as he thought fit on each name, as he thought it etligible or not when proposed. Mr. Councillor Sn Aire L Ks had listened with great attention. to'what had passed. Seeing there was a wish on the part of gentlemen not now to come to a decision, and nut wishing to press the thing unfairly he was quite willing to adjourn it. (Hear.) He should move that an early day. be fixed -for its further discussion. Ile decidedly objected to the plan the mayor had proposed, to send in sealed lists. Ile thought they should , all attend there and have their lists prepared and have a discussion on each name. The Mayon begged Mr. Sharples pardon; it was not a pro position of his. Would he be kind enough to let them proceed by mentioning the first name on their list. • Mr. Councillor SIiARPLES. —" I. - move that we adjourn until Monday." The MAYOR.—DO you not mean that the names should he named now. (Cries of " so, no," from most of the liberal ! councillors.) • Mr. Councillor SH ARP 1.%5.—1 move that the meeting be ad journed until Monday, at eleven o'clock, for the purprise of going to a division, and that we come prepared. 'The Mayoe.—They would observe that the same objection might be made by the council on Monday. that the 'council was called on to come prepared as a body to vote on names which were then heard in council for the first time. (Hear.) Ile thought that the names were to be given in then, and betwixt then and the day of choice there would be time to make up their minds by inquiries and.refiection as to the persons most eli g ible. If they adjourned without mentioning nam es, the y should have done nothing that day whatever. Mr. Councillor BoisroN would move that there should be no discussion about lists, and that on Monday the discussion should begin and end on the proposition of each name. That there should be. no discussion but on each name, unless a person i moved an amendment to a name. Mr'. Councillor HENR Y LAWRENCE seconded the motion. Mr. Councillor S ti A it es r:s.—l L' any - gentleman wished to know the names, and would inquil e privately of any gentlemen in that room, they would be glatt to furnish them. After some further discussion, it was agreed that all the lists should be given in to the town-clerk, under the inclosure of each gentleman, and that every member of the council should furnish each member of the council with a list of the whole; and that the discussion of the question should be adjourned till Tuesday nest I this day) at eleven o'clock, when each member of the council should come prepared with a list of twenty-four eligible gentlemen to fill the office of justice of the peace. The Ma Yell thought it right to telt them that the late town clerk had. been seen, and was ready to issue a precept for the Stllllllloo ingof a jury for the sessions, not for the '2lth instant, but fir the ustut4 time. Mr. Foster rather wished to come in and signify that ass, , ent, with the proviso that his continuing to do so was not to prejudice tidy claim that he might have fur compensation. • sss, The TOWN-CLIUt a saidlhat in his interview with. Mr. Foster he had said that he (Mr. Luster) wits willing to act according to the directions of the council, in issuing a precept as clerk of the-peace; but he would wish to attend the council to state that he did so on the understanding that his present position should not be changed by the proceedings they should direct him to take. The bailiff, Mr. Lace, was prepared to act on that pre cept. The Msvoe.—There could be no objection to their quite agreeing to Mr. Foster's proposal. .- Nlr. Councillor B s aims au aN wished- to know w if the-town-clerk could not act in that case' ChesTowst-csank said his office was as town-clerk; Mr. Foster had filled the double capacity uuder.the old corporation of town-clerk and clerk of the, peace. Mr. Councillor DuscaN would wish to know in that case why Mr- Foster wished this acknowledgement on their part to be made ? The 'TOWN-CLERK.—Previous to the municipal act, the gene ral appointment had been as town-clerk, but the lown-clerk then acted as clerk of the peace: under the present act, it was the impression of Mr. Rushton and other legal gentle:nen that the offices.were perfectly distinct. Mr. Foster, however, was of opiniou that he was only clerk of the peace because that office was incidental to the town-clerkship. Ile, therefore, thought the council should give directions to Mr. Foster that his present position should not be prejudiced by his acting as clerk of the pe Mr.. ace Councillor LAWRENCE explained Mr. Foster's position and concurred with the town-clerk. The MAyou then inquired if it was the wish of the counci, that Mr. Foster should attend, which beine. signified, the town. clerk was desired to wait on Mr. Foster to say the council requested his attendance on the subject of the sessions. Mr. Councillor .JOHN lIOLMEs meantime read the report of the finance committee accepting the resignation of Mr. White man and Mr. Barrow. Mr. Foster now entered and was requested to take a chair. The M Avon then said:—You are aware, Mr. Foster, from the town-clerk, that you are here , partly i n pursuance your own wish; to receive an assurance from the council that your acting as -clerk of the peace shall not be prejudicial to your present situation. Mr. FOSTER.—That is one object for which I was desirous of attending this council. The Ni"Avou.—And you are willing to issue 'youfprecept ? Mr. FOSTER.—I am desirous of stating to the council not only what I have done but what lam willing to do. I was rather anxious to make this statement personally,': because I hope that the council will do me the justice to believe that, whatever circumstances have occurred, I am not the man to wish, under any circumstances, to conceal or to hesitate in explaining any part of my public conduct ; and I was ready, and am ready now, to answer any question the council may think it fit to put to use in' regard to any part of my conduct in the discharge of my duty. And it is on that account that I felt anxious to tell this council, that instead of communicating . with gentlemen acting under me, the council need never hesitate to send tir ..me to explain any part of my conduct. I allude to that in 14, rticular, because it seems to me as if it were supposed 1 had the wish that the sessions should not be held in the usual manner. I beg leave to disclaim 'any such wish, I beg also to disclaim any such intention. The period had scarcely arrived when any step was to be taken on the su b jec t of the sessions 'when I was displaced. Had the council determined otherwise—had I not been displaced—it was •my intention to have stated that I should, under a doubtful construction of one or two of the clauses in this bill, have at once proceeded to do what was necessary for then .administration of justice, and 1 am ready to do it now ;—I *ever hesitated to do it. ( Hear, hear.) With respect to the gentlemen who have given a written opinion I do not coincide in that opinion. But I wish to state that I . am ready and willing at all times to do what lies in my power for the administration of justice, and not to stand in th'e way of such object. In doing that I only _trust that I shall receive front this council a distinct assurance that my position is not altered in any respect by it—that ( still am to have . those rights to: which I am entitled, whiled am most- willing to give every information in my, power. (Applause.) • • The Nlsv,on.—l had it already in my power to give that as surance to you, before you entered the room, in order that no delay may lake place in issuing the precept as soon as possible. There has no expression fallen from any gentleman in this council in the slightest degree conveying all intention to inter fere with your r i g ht to compensation. Mr. FosrEa.—l an) perfectly satisfied with that explanation. I am perfectly ready to do what I can for the administration of justice in any way ; and I beg to repeat, that whatever may be theopinion of any gentlemen in this room, I am ready now, and s hall be ready at any time to give any information on any subject connected with my public duty. Mr. Councillor IiATHRONE.—Rather than his servants should be asked, with the permission of the council if it was their wish ho would put the questions which were intended to be put to Mr. Ellis and Mr. Shuttleworth. The council were aware what those questions were. Toe MAYOR asked if it was the pleasure of the council that Mr. Itathbone. through him should put those questions to Mr. Foster. Mr. Councillor LAWRENCE thought this question was left to the committee. The MAYOR thought so too. It was quite clear that this bu siness was referred to a committee, and he was quite satisfied that Mr. Foster would satisfy the committee immediately on being required. Mr. Councillor JORDAN thought it not fair to ask any more questions of Mr. Foster. Mr. Councillor SHAriet,Es thought it would be a satisfaction to Mr. Foster to have that opportunity of answering them. Mr. Councillor RAt9noNE.-1 sun perfectly satisfied that these questions should be asked f,y the ested comm i hatttMee. Foster be at Mr. Councillor JORDAN then sugg tr. liberty to retire. 'rhe MAYOR, as Mr. Foster was retiring. requested that the precept should be issued immediately so as to• have the sessions on the 18th. Mr. FOSTER. —Certainly. Mr. Foster then withdrew. • Mr. Councillor SnARPLES wished it to be understood, as there seemed to be several opinions about it, whether they s hould ! vote by list or not. Ile wished that they should vote by list, and that they who had the majority of names should -tie elected. The Ma vou.—With respect to voting b y was certainly that they were to adopt the usual mode as in the case of alderman. After some be gh c onversation lists his opinion Mr. RAT.DUONE beged to move "that a watch committee be now appo i ute d , to consist of tixteen member*: of %%liar three- --- PROCEEDINGS OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. On Friday, according to adjournment, the council again met at the Town-hall, at eleven o'clock. The MAYOR, in opening the proceedings, said the council were aware that that was an adjourned meeting of a special committee , held on Wednesday, and also of the general com mittee. They would confluence business as usual, by the town clerk reading over the minutes of the last meeting. Mr. Alderman ROBINSON.—Mr. Mayor, I should like to put a question to you before we proceed, relative to what one of the newspapers has reForted. A newspaper of this morning has re ported that we deliberate with closed doors. It is the first time I have heard of it, and I wish to inquire as to the truth of that statement. A Councillor.—l believe it is the STANDARD. Mr. Alderman ROBENSON. — Yes. (A lau g h ) The.MsYoll.----1 believe that statement, if it has been made, is not true; as f see the gentlemen reporters at the bottom of the table, I am sure neither myself nor •any gentleman of the council have made use of expressions to warrant such a report; and the reporter for the STANDARD, if he be present, will bear me out ;hat neither from myself, nor from the members of the council has one single word passed which could authorise such a statement. The town-clerk will now read over the minutes of :he last meeting. The Tow N-CLERK then read over the minutes of the previous meeting. The REPORTER of the STANDARD rose immediately after the reading of the minutes was concluded. He said;—Mr. Mayor, having been called on by yourself from the chair, I beg to state, in accordance with your request, and in answer to what has fal len from Mr. Robinson, that no statement to warrant such a report has, to the best of my recollect ion, ever fallen from • yourself or 'from any member of the council; neither has any such report ever appeared in the STANDARD. The Mayor.—After what has been said . by the reporter to the STANDARD , it is but ju stice to the gentlemen reporters to state, that I believe it is their sole desire to report strictly and honestly what passes, and nothing more; and we have no com plaints to make, and no reason to find fault. But coniments those reports are clearly a differ ent thing. The report to which Mr. Robinson alluded• believe is a comment on our pro ceedings, and the editors of public journals have clearly a right to make what comment they think proper on public pro ceedings, and we are liable to such comments. The MAYOR Then announced that Mr. Alderman Moon had been chosen by the councillors for gest Derby ward, and that Mr, Alderman Evans had been chosen by the councillors of Rodney-street ward. Mr. .Councillor Snitapta4 rose to propose the first motion, which had been adjourned from the last meeting. He begged to move, " that this council select twenty-four gentlemen to be recommended to his Majesty's Secretary of State for the Home Department as fit and proper persons to fill the office of magis trates for this borough." ,He would propose that the selection he made in this way --" that.each„member. of tile council fiend list of the gentlemen he ;hinks. best qualified for the office to the Mayor, and that the Mayor call out those names which .have the greatest number of votes:" Mr:Councillor NCAN said they were now entering on a very important business. In his opinion he thought it better that each ward should be within the reach of and. have-a resi. dent magistrate; and he thought that in nominating magistrates now, that nomination should be made with reference to their re sidences. This borough had been greatly increased, and he thought if they spread the magistrates as much as possible over the, borough it would he desirable. As they were perhaps not prepared for such a nominatiou it might be advisable to post pone the question. Ile begged to move, " that in the nomina tion of magistrates regard should be had to their residences, so as 'to give to the inhabitants of each ward the benefit of a resi dent magistrate " He thought this would be the best means of bringing . justice to every man's do-or. Mr. Councillor EARF,E, in rising to second the motion, thought it was rather hard on several individuals there that they should be coifed on to nominate the magistrates then. He be lieved many gentlemen had already prepared a list, and those gentlemen who were down oaf those lists would of course o e nominated. He was sure he was not prepared to say her those names were properly qualified for the office o not. whet He thought, in delicacy to the community, they should net go to the nomination until every member of the council was satisfied as to the fitness of the gentlemen nominated. There was another thing, he did not think it absolute necessary to elect the 21 that day M . r. Councillor IIENttY LAWRENCE was of opinion that such a mode of election as suggested by Mr. Sharpies woul d be ille g al. He concurred with Mr. Duncan and,Mr. Earle that the nomi nation should not now be decided. Mr. Councillor ItaTurioNE would beg to call Mr. Lawrence's attention to the fact that this was not o nomination of the council, it was simply a recommendation ; and therefore what he had said did not apply in the slightest degree to the subject. Mr. Councillor J NIES LA F:RNCE.—This subject appeared to him subject of great importance, and requited serious con sideration. He thought it behoved the council to consider and weigh well what they were atiout to do. It was not like the ap pointment of a councillor or alderanan• in that case, if their choice should - be itijodicions it might he altered between the spa& of one and six years; but if he understood rightly, the ap pointment in this case was to be perwaoent—an appoiii meat for life. Ile hoped, therefore, that toe members of the council would agree with him that every g entleman proposed to such ;1 espousi .ble office as this ought to possess good qualifications. They ought in the first place to be gentlemen of education and men of ex perience—g.entletnen o independence and unimpeachable moral character —who would administer justice with inn pail ialitv, acid above all men of sound Judgment. He thought after what he had stated that they would agree with him that they were all I deeply concerned in ibis matter, and that the future happiness and welfare of .this great community would depend in a great measure op their choice. Mr. Alderman Hay wotart made some remarks relative to the aldermen which we were unable to hear. He concluded with seconding the motion. The MAYOR begged to call attention to - one circumstance" which appeared to - him an error of judgment. Some persons had gone about canvassing the members of the council for their votes on this question. He attached no bad attention to the individuals, but he could not help expressing his decided disap probation of such a course... The members of that council might to come into that multi uninfluenced by any personal or private considerations Whatever. (;fear.) Mr. Councillor IIATHeoNE thought it important they should .pioc.ectlaiu the busittess_of matiaating triagistrates4hs earl.as possible. • Mr. Alderman STU A eT.—Before they proceed tny nomi- nation, or recommendati on of magistrates,. he ed sho o u a ld like to know from the mayor whether the cormnumcalimm made to the late mayor relative to the nomination of mgistrates as not entirely a private communicat ion ? If it ( ~ae le not a w private communication, they might procee d as 'they were doing; but on the other hand, if it was a private communication, he con ceived it was an objection to them thns Proceeding. His own idea was that it was a private communication, and if so it would place the government in a peculiarly id ward situation if, after their nomination, the government shoul feel bound only after their to fulfil their wishes ; if the g overnment left out any of the individuals nominated it wouid appear invidious, and the council would place them in a very unpleasant situation, as well as the individuals nominated. For the sake of obviating that, he should beg to move "that the reporters be forthwith, removed into au adjacent room till the discussion be over." . The MAYOR.—AS he bad stated on the first meeting, he had feceived front the late mayor .a letter which he had received in the month of October last from the secretary of state tor the house department, coffins; the attention of the mayor, that he m i g ht take the opport unit y of cal l i ng the at tention of the coun cil to this circular, that the government would give due weight and consideration to any nomination they might make. That statement was, in the first instance, made public by Lord John Russell in parliameat, and circulated through the prints of the town as the intention of the present government, therefore he could not think that it was a private communication. If tie understood Mr. Stuart, he rather alluded to the delicate posi tion in which gentlemen so nominated would s , a-td if it should be the decision of the government hereafter that they were not at persons as recotriniended, and that it would be placing such gentlemen in a delicate situation as persons whom the government had not thought proper to accept. lie considered that that was entirely a matter for the determination of the present council. For his own part, he considered that every public man must run all risks, and if a gentleman was willing to be nominated, he must submit to have his qualifications canvassed, and abide the result. He could not consider it a private question; but the mode of acing in it, whether public or otherwise, must be as the council should dictate. Mr. CouncillorCon (,AN.-When the bill wasorignally introduced it was intended that the common council should elect magistrates, and which was afterwards altered to" recommend" magistrates, and the ministers stated that any such recommendation would meet with the attention of the government, which did away in his opinion as to the intention that such nomination shoul d be private. They were then met for the purpose of " reconimend ing." Ile perfectly agreed with Mr. Lawrence as to the import ance of the question; and that the gentlemen nominated should bra ;rentlemen of talent and information, and that they should be very discriminating in their choice of these individuals as the election was for life. IMr..Morecroft, the newly-elected councillor for Lime-street Ward, here entered, and was announced by the Mayor.l • Mr. Councillor Coo LAN continued.—But he thought it a work of supererogation to descant on these topics, every gentleman must have felt the necessity of disci iroination to the choice of magistrates. - A regular notice had been given of the subject, and they were met that day for the special purpose of electing theni, and in the interim they had had time to consider well all such topics in the regulation of their choice; and he hoped and trusted, every gen tleman there would be guide d by such consideration. He thought they should proeeed without any delay to the nomination, having met for the specific pur pose. As to the remark of a gentlemen that lists had oeen pre pared by 'persons, he. thought it did . not at all militate against their 'immediate procedure in the nomination of .aagistrates. Instead of being a censure he thought it rather a compliment . to those gentlemen that they had been actiVe in their duty, and that they had come prepared to do their duty according to the notice that had been given. A difference of opinion seemed to exist as to the propriety of the election being public. He thought it desirable that out of doors every individual should know exactly how their representatives voted. He saw no ob jection to the principle of lists as this was merely a recom mendation not an appointment; and he thought they could get the general sentiments of the common council better by that mode than by any other, as well as save time. It would be ex tremely- unpleasant and indelicate, if : he might be allowed the expression, to rise up and say, " I object to this gentleman" for any-reason, or simply to object without stating any reason. To . prevent such unpleasautnesses, predetermined lists appeared to him the easiest course, as well as it expedited public business. • The MAYOR.—If he miderstood Mr. Stuart, he meant that it would be unpleasant for the gentlemen nominated if their ne mination were known to the public, and they should not be ap pointed by government. Mr. Alderman ST U A RT.—Most certainly. Mr. Councillor JORDAN begged to ntoie " that a sub-com mittee be appointed to take into consideration who shall, or shall nut be nominated." the MAYOR thought their most reg ula r course would be to decide on the motion of Mr. Sharpies. The Tows-cram( hen read Mr. Sharplei' motion. Mr. Councillor it ATH RON S took the liberty of calling the at tention of the council to the situation in which they at present were as a reason for proceeding as soon as they could on die question. Ile was one of the last men who would wish to take the council by. surprise. But for the importance of the proceed ing he would just urge that by the 38 clause no alteration of the fees taken by the present clerks of the justices could be made. Neither till the appointment of new magistrates could the,aire sent justices be prevented from exercising their • functions, which he considered most dangerous and unjust. With respect to the fees, common report said that Mr. Ellis and Mr. Shut tleworth derived £1,500 per annum from these sources. It was desirable that they should have a new commission .of.the peace as speedily as possible in. older that this might be obviated, and greater economy be introduced. Mr. Councillor Dorscats would move as an amendment to Mr. Sharples' motion, " that in the nomination of magistrates' regard should be had to their residences so as to give the inha bitants of each ward the benefit of a resident maeistrate; and that the nomination he decided at the next meeting of this council." shall be a quorum." He thought that each ward should be rd' presented in this coreinittee, Mr. Councillor Stith:L.—lt was unnecesSatt to move three to be a quorum, it was provided that three mat he a quorum. • Mr. Councillor RATI-inosn.—ls that a fact, Mr: Tovvn-clerk The TOWN-CLERK.—Yes, it is so, After much discussion as to the appointment of the members; and as to the number of which the committee was to cottast ; Mr. Councillor JOHN Ho Lmus moved an amendment; a , that t wen ty-four be - the number forming the watch eminnittee." Mr. Alderman ROBINsON seconded the atnencnent. Mr. Councillor RATtittoNE begged then to Withdraw hit mOz tion as to the number. The following gentlemen were then appointed:— Messrs. W, Thornhill, Enoch Harvey, Jas. Mellor, George Robinson, William Rushton, James Lawrence, It. W. Preston, Thoma s jug., W. A C I,. ° D Duncan ; givann, ROlPert Ruskell, ca W Williamlliatii Earle,Biai J. . C L ro a o s i s ) e e l r: t H. Lawrence, Francis Jordan, JOhn Holmes, Chvistopher lt aw d on, J os h ua IValinsley, Richard Alison, Thomas- ulley, C. H. Jones, John Woollright; and Lawrence Hevworth. The TowN-ct,E here read the 751 b clause in the act relat , i; ing to watch committees. Mr, Councillor W. RATHBONE rose to move "that a MB. mittee to promote the improvement and education of the poorer classes, to inquire into the means now in operation for these ob jects- and to report what further may seem necessary and de sirable, be now appciinted. i ' Mr. Rathbone stated that his ob ject was that schools should be established in every district for buys, girls, and especially for infants; that there should be read ing rooms for the poorer classes in the evenings, furnished with works that might instruct and enlighten them. His object was not to promote any party object, either in religion or politics, hut to ed mate the poor, and by finding them other-sources of employment and amusement for their leisure hours, to keep them out of the public-houses. He might state that the Rev. Mr. Campbell entirely approved of the object. He also pro posed that the school rooms should be used for the purposes of receiving the votes at ward elections, and should be used where practicable for ward meetings, &c. Dr. Councillor J. CARSON seconded the motion, and took the opportunity of giving notice that he intended shortly to pro pose the formation nf a general seminary of education, not only for the poor, but for all classes in the town, Llis plan would combine the features b.,ib of a school and university education, except the granting of degrees, and would prevent numbers from going to seek education in other quarters. He gave notice of • the appointment of a comaiiitee for that purpose at a future period, but in the ineatititne.he would second Mr. Rathbone's F mo . Mr. Councilor EVANS suggested the establishment of Nor• mat schools, for the education of the masters themselves. Mr. Couucillor IZATH BONE said his motion was so general at to inclilde Normal settools. The 111Qt1OU was then unanimously . ageed to. The following gentlemen were ?laced on the committee ) any five to he a quo- , runt Carson, Mess. - s. J. Cropper, WaLinsley, Thornely, E. Cropper, Alison, IL Hornby, Hoisfall, Hope, Rathbone, - Stfeit'And` Mae k burn. • - The MAYOR said he had received a long letter from Mr. Mar , tin, oae of the education commissioners sent tolreland, stating that he was much snuck at Belfast with the advantages of the college there, describing minutely its constitution, and recorn meudiug a similar institution to Liverpool. He handed the -letter to the education committee, and Mr..Councillor Hope, at the same time, remarked that they invited communications and suggest ious from all quarters. .111 r. Councillor tin All P LES said he bad been requested by the committee of the catholic orphan-house,. to apply for the use of the Town-hall fur a ball for the benefit of that charity. The institution had been formed and was supported by y:duntary subscription, for the maintainatice and education of indigent female orphan children, who were taught plain reading, writing, &c., so as to tit them for becoming domestic servants, or filling any other situation for which their talents might quality them. There was a committee who looked after their conduct for two years after leaving the house, and reported the result to the in- , stitutiou. There were fifty-nine or sixty children now in the house. The MA YOE, in answer to a question, said the usual mode was for such applications to be made to the mayor, who submit ted them to the council; as there was an eNpense attending the lighting up of the 'building on such occasions. Hitherto the rooms had been confined to the Ladies' Charity Bail, once a-year. Mr. Councillor 11 &Tit BONE said it was quite melancholy to see such a-splendid suite of 'limns lying quite useless, except for one annual ball. He should be glad to see the rooms brought into use for many public and charitable purposes. Mr. Councillor Ea it LE said that the expense of lighting would in this case he considerable. It was ultimately agreed that the subject should be postponed until Tuesday, when the town-clerk should give his opinion whether it was legal to incur any expense for such purposes. Mr. Councillor HOPE said that notices had been given for an application to parliament for an ~ct to remove the powder ma gazines at Liscard. By one of the clauses of that bill, it was proposed to lay a rate on the inhabitants of Liverpool. It would be necessary for the council to know what those enact. ments weve. The MA volt said that the first resolution passed every year was an authority to the finance committee to watch all bills in parliament. A similar resolution was,then drawn up and agreed to. Mr. Councillor A !KIN gave notice that he would, at a future meeting, call the attention of the public to the establishment of an observatory in Liverpool. Mr. Councillor E. SMITH said they were approaching elec. Lions of a delicate nature. There were cases where the merits of parties to be appointed were so equally balanced that private friendship and personal motives might influence the result. The MAYOR.-1 hope not, Mr. Smith. Mr. Councillor E. SNIITH.—That was the way of the world. Ile might mention the election of a coroner as a case of that nature. He thought that the votes should be taken by ballot in cases involving no public principle. He wished to know if he could give notice of a motion to that effect. The MAYOR, after consttliing the town-clerk, said he might bring _forward such winoiion whenever he thought it necessary. It was then arranged that trie Finance Committee should meet weekly, 'on Friday at twelve o'clock, and that they should -not take into consideration any communication not received on or before ThurAday. The council was theft adjourned till Tuesday (this day) at eleven o'clock, having . sat until three o'clock. THE QUAKERS AND TUE CHURCH. It has been our lot over and Over again to expose the infa• mous duplicity of the "Quakers;" but we defy a parallel to be produced to the following mode of reasoning. We take it from the Nailingham Review, a furiously radical paper, The para graph is headed "The Society of Friends and the Corporation 'L'est :" " The declaration required to be taken by the members of the new corporations respecting the church having created a great difficulty in the way of the Society of Friends, we are happy to announce that although Dr Payne and Mr. Armitage still demur, Dr. Howitt - Yesterday made the declaration without hesitation; and Mr. William Howitt being elected one of the new aldermen, will this day take it also. Indeed Mr. Ilowitt stated to a meeting of the electors last week his intention to subscribe to it at once, and occasioned a good deal of merriment by his mode of demonstrating his view of it. He declared that had it been au unqualified and unconditional declaration, no motive whatever should have induced hint to accept it; but as it was strictly and avowedly qllicial, the words " byvirtue of your office," confining its operation to the council-room, and leaving him as perfectly at liberty as before to act against the church in his private capacity—lie should not only take it; but should strictly and literally act upon it. If this church was:to be thrust upon every honest man when he entered into office like some old woman that had lived so riotously as to have disabled her legs with gout, and must have supporters—why, in oljice he would even tolerate her presence. Ifc would not say a word about her in the council chamber; no, if he were asked a ques tion about her, he would not answer it, he would say 'Oh no i we never mention her, Her name is never braid !' but the moment got out or doors then he would tnunner against her with all his might. In the council-room he would not hurt this poor old beldame, he would not suffer her to, he hurt ; liktethe moment he got nut, he would catch her in the landing-place, pitch her down, writ break her neck if passible.** This was his mode of reasoning." Shall we comment upon this instructive specimen of Quaker "liberality?" No !—it would be superfluous. Let the flexible conscience of the jesuit broadbrim stand out to the scrutiny of , the empire in all its open purity. We think it, however, was unwise in Mr. Howitt to have made this "declaration"—ha should have followed the example of Quaker Payne and Arun tage, who, knowing that it was the chief duty of their creed to injure the established church, had the common honesty to re fuse to subscribe the declaration not to do so. These be your "Christian tolerants," people of England! AMERICAN SWAGGER.—One of theLoadon line of New York packets arrived off Portsmouth on the Bth instant, bringin g New Y o rk papers of the 21st December. Our contempmary of the Times, desirous we have no doubt to praise skill or success navigation, has been induced to state thatthesaid packet made the passage in the "extraordinarily" short period of " fifteen days." By looking at the dates: this will be found to be an error. The vessel sailed from Net 'Yolk on- the 22d December, and arrived off. Portsmouth on the Bth January ; she must there fore have been seventeen days on the passage from New York to Portsmouth, no great proof of speed nfaerall ; but if she sailed on the morning of the 22d which we believe she did, and arrived off Portsmouth on the afternoon of the 81h. she then must have taken nearer eighteen than seventeen days. Is this any proof of . speed ? We have had vessels in this river from New York in sixteen days. - New Muste.—Mr. Ilenshall, a musician, whose talents both as an instrumental performer and as a composer, are of a high order, is, we perceive, about to publish several of his wotks. Some of those announced we' k have heard performed with great pleasure at. the Adelphi concert room, - and 016 approbation with which they were received, warrants the conclusion, that, when more generally known, they wi.ll:ecothe popular. M.isTEit 1-11:Gtut.s.--This precocious child, known as the infant Harpist, will give a concert at the Music. hail, Bold. street, on Monday evening next, assisted by Mons. Lie Potho pier, on the - piano. The performatces of Master Hugoes have gained for him great celebrity in London, as well as in Edin burgh, Dublin, Manchester, and aearly all the other large pro. viucial towns of Great Blitam. • Limn TREK.—There is now at IVory, a gigantic lime , or linden, tree, which is 1( X ) feet h ig h ; the circle covered by its branches measures 2 , ls.feet, and these branches commence at a height of 10 teet from the ground. The eitcumference of the trunk near the soil is 46 feet. IL is perhaps an unique instance of this species of tree attaining su ch inugoituoe. Sic Li AN MOLUSCA.—M. B ahne, Corresponding .Member of the Society of the Jura , and Oocto r of Medicine at Lyons, has just sent t; , the museum at 'Louis . le Saunier, a box Isl the ter. restrial and iluviatile shells of Sicily and the Canary ands, most of which have nut been hitherto described, a lid to which he I has added two bran ches of black coral, Ameng the shells is the Achatina Virginea. THE DUBLIN C o M m 1 I long protracted t impfiry virtually closed y ester il uod on it muld c desire Jost , and t mo re unvau- day has losed ri the friends of Messrs. W es t anti I-1 ;i tageous ly than they could 'have anti c i pate d: Of the tntimate succes s of the petitioners,--nu hottest man could have a ocubt and the supporters of the sittin g mem b e r s do not themselves entertain a 11 0 1 w. The abrupt let= nation of the proceedings by the Ke tting up of a mock q uarre l on th e part Of those condo-et ing alessrs. O'Connell and Ruthvcu's vase against the com missioners, is too palpable in its object not to be apparent to the most obtuse —even to Mr. Commissioner Arttill ; but it is worthy of reatalk, that this scow was nut `• got•tvp7'untif every case to the list of the sitting me mbers, oith the exceptiod 0 two, hail be en di spose d o f without a single point being made or a single fact estahlisheit.—Do6liii Eadniiw Moil. The "busy hum of preparation" is now heard in the squares and fashionable streets at the twat-end of the town, as fatuities will continue arriving from the country daily , in cu“s e q uence of the near approach - of the mretinwoi vartianteut. 'the atten dance of membertrat the commencement of the session will be , very numerous, because those members who are absent will incur not only thediaptessureot the }tarty to which, thef:bsiong but able el their c eastitueuta-