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336. lave a se- nt which ntly fixed lie unan- and the Cher, the able posi lirn to at- nitted by ing from 'hat will after the ch he re- g a good ky of his larly re• rtant let- subject. Villiers nty, the ,worthless tal," has ler knell ietaphor, f Lords ; y, Baron lase dixit enve- the ran apported le zenith gigantic lation of it within rampant It infest tallowed osperity , on them Itu with es, who who, at Dndemn, ted zeal t sacred the na birth-- r-men-- nselves, e fitting and the lock-pa adven- yes of a Id, and me who ating it 1 all his thing a er, who rankest )eings ; ie acrid to the lgerous •al alle mt, and ier pre , giving rrupted our pre leader, of put- ion has -con ta, his we least to Ist, the I would le maze Ttopian )f your rtes for ave to patron iefit of rtii, in d con- lment, named ;ht of Ise of !my of emen, whilst tice to If duty ere is .e the that, ye the es the e, and )f his luish five igita ginal Wish- ;es of riest- as for abuse . ed to OCT. 4, 1816. your eyes open ? Does the memoir here given satisfy you—the epitomised public life of him whom Mr. H. Villiers Stuart " delighted) to honour" and his colleagues to uphold, by attempting to cry down the man who has had the becoming dignity and devotion to erect a bar rier against such barefaced hypocritical depravity ? Yes, this is really the conscientious, the magnanimous modern Pittacus of Sir Richard Keane—the man of measured words and polished mellifluous phrases—the disinterested champion of Ireland's woes, and the philanthropic friend of the poor factory children of England, and to whom the second estate of this realm is to bow in submission, and yield the palm of judgment therein to the wisdom and discretion of Mr. Villiers Stuart! We may be charged by some of our readers with making too much of this common disturber of a nation's repose, and we will readily admit the subject is sufficient. ly loathing and irksome to dwell upon after the repeated expositions which have been made of the unprincipled quality of this man's pretensions ; but we have a justifi cation to put on the record ; and, whilst we find indivi dual peers and commoners so lost as to continue with eyes unbandaged to laud his proceedings, we feel it our duty to prevent, as far as in us lies, any portion of our fellow-countrymen from falling into the fatal delusion, by being entrapped into the nets so artfully spread for them. Our contemporaries of the London conservative press, infinitely before us in tact and information, still deem it necessary to notice these post-prandial proceed ings, notwithstanding their repeated exhibition, risque ad nauseam, we cannot remain passive spectators whilst falsehood and dissimulation stalk abroad with " head and front offending in the glare of day." Under the hope, therefore, that we may be relieved fora time from making this man's proceedings the lead ing topic in our discussions, we will endeavour to deal with the nefarious impostures practised in the most sum . ' Anary way posSible, under the hope that what we have recently adduced will act as a correcti ve, within the sphere of our own circulation, at all events; for we have little hope of working a practical reform amongst those on the other side of the channel who are living under :the priestly dominion of the tenets of Dominics Dens and the tutelage of Doctors Troy, Murray, and M'Hale, as - well as of O'Connell. We will, therefore, endeavour to content ourselves with two general grounds of answer to the fulmination of Mr. Villiers Stuart, which may further elevate him and his colleague, in the O'Connell phrase, on " the Corinthian capital of true .patriots"- - the first to show the utter indifference of the Irish people, generally, to the vaunted measure of municipal reform, the great stalking•horse of the late session ; the next to prove the utter falsehood of the Derrynane patriot's his torical statements with regard to protestant possessions in Ireland. Now, it is an established fact, which Mr. Villiers Stuart must well know, that, from the 4th day of February last, the first day of the opening of parliament, and when a determined opposition was fully to be expected on the part of the tories in the House of Commons, independ- • ently of the known conservative feeling of the majority of the peers, down to the 21st of May, the number of petitions, for reformed or papal corporations, amounted to only nineteen—the gross amount of signatures thereto 7,520, out of the seven millions of people so ill used by Lord Lyndhurst and his tyrannical colleagues? What does this go to establish ? Is it possible that the Irish Roman_Catholic population, oppressed, persecuted, and ill-used by its protestant landlords and existing corpora tors, should have been so dead to its own interests as to allow the united parliament to slumber, pending the as of this great principle of "Justice to Ireland" at the most critical period of its discussion ? But such in reality Was the case, and here is a practical illustration or the sympathy entertained by even the general Roman Catholic population of Ireland, for the objects of its agi tating tormentors, when freed from their presence ! As to the value that should be attached to the very few pe titions which were sent in, it must be purely compara tive, as they were the result of organized agitation and priestly influence. W e feel that we have thus far disposed of the logical inferences:and, interpretations of Mr. Stuart with regard to .the question he so profoundly discussed, nationally, and have shown it to be worthless in the eyes of his own countrymen. As to his " scathing eloquence," so deno minated by the London whig-radical press, in the pay of the government, the Morning Post has made such a havoc with it, in its last Friday's number, as to leave nothing to be desired, even by the great beggarman himself. We now come to the second part of our reply, em bracing the entire position on which the great Pittacus 'of Ireland founds and justifies his unprincipled agitation and-hostility to English connexion ; and we shall be very brief with his honour in this respect, by assuring him and . his defender, at the onset, that his foundation is a very rotten one, entirely destitute of truth and of histo rical support, as we undertake to establish, should he have the impudence to dare us to the proof. We, therefore, take leave to inform Mr. Villiers Stuart, who, it would seem, in charitable conclusion, is ignorant of the early history of his own country, or rather of that country he now inhabits, for his name would imply a Scottish or French descent, that the first assumed legal connexion of Ireland with the crown of England took place in a clan destine compact between some Roman Catholic bishops, who, under the assumed apostolical authority of Pore Adrian the Fourth, and his predecessors, had obtained an ascendancy in Ireland over its primitive christianity, to which compact this very Pope Adrian was a party and it is further related by authorities who perfectly well know the history of this transaction, that " both Adrian, and the two other parties who figured in this treaty, in the true spirit of popery, vied with each other in the depth of the design, and the truly iniquitous hypocrisy under which it. was perfected ;"—thus this "Saxon cru sade against the independence of Ireland," borrowing Mr. O'Connell's phrase, was headed by parties strictly papal! Now, we challenge Mr. O'Connell to disprove this fact; but knowing well that he cannot disprove it, it follows that whatever of calamity—of misery—of anar chy—which has or may become entailed on. unhappy Ireland by this act of her elder sister, then strictly a popish state—" to popery, and to popish treachery alone is due the homage and the undivided honour, the praise, and the admiration of Irishmen, for having first inflicted them—for having first destroyed her primitive system, which she possessed from the first promulgation of chris- tianity in these islands."* There, Mr. Daniel O'Connell is a knock down blow for you. What becomes of your " Saxon invasion" now ? Will you answer us ? or are you dumb when truth stands before you in the garb of indisputable sim plicity ? With all your sophistry, can you dispute a fact recorded in the recognised history—the unmystified ca lendar of events in yonr own country? t There was no heresy, even as the Church of Rome defines it, here at work ; for protestantism, that daughter of the reforma tion; had not yet shone forth upon the earth, arrayed in the mantle of the Gospel. Let us follow one of our quo tations (the first) a little further :—" If the fountains of her independence ceased to flow—if the crystal springs of her liberty rose no more, who else but Roman catholic brothers polluted the one and dried up the other ? Rich in her poverty and pure in her simplicity, she need ed not the gilded trapping s of a Roman hierarchq' nor the infallible protection of a Roman potentate to save the souls of her sons from damnation ! But, alas for Ireland! she fell prostrate at the fent of the mistress of the seven hills,' no longer imperial Rome "! Thus, in the twelfth century, did Ireland become incorporated with England by the sole agency of that party o f w hi c h Mr. O'Connell is now the leading instrument; but whose authority ceased in the state in England the instant that state became protestant, Ireland, by this very popish Contract; having been previously admitted to form an in tegral and component part of the British empire, and which very act of incorporation was confirmed by a Synod of the Rumish clergy, under the express authority "another pope, held at the very town of Waterford, the scene of Mr. Stuart's forensic eloquence, and Henry u overnm Grey ent in 's Hisßritait9rican.l Illustration 01835. f the Edward Princip s les of Cirii ,t Histo r y o f I reland to the great R e b e lli on; an d Phel an ' s policy of the Church of home. London : 1827. Cadelt. formally proclaimed " liege &I'd of Ireland"! We feel, that we have now also done some small share of justice to the pretensions of Mr. Daniel O'Connell, as the histo rical Pitlacits of Ireland, and shall not revert to him at length for some time, unless we find his proceedings render it imperatively necessary, when we promise him and his sapient colleagues, and his " Corinthian orators," the full indulgence of that exposure which the abundance and strength of the materials we possess, and the ample vocabulary of the English language, shorn of its vul garity, shall enable us to wield! LIVERPOOL MUSICAL FESTIVAL. It appears to be the unanimous opinion of every person whom we have heard speak upon the subject, that on no former oc casion were so many strangers seen in the town as at present throng our streets, drawn by the coming Festival; and now that an excitement has been raised by the press, publishing to the public the operations of the Festival committee, which, until lately have been kept so much " under the rose," the town presents the appearance of a disturbed bee-hive. Yester day every person appeared on the qui cite, and parading about.; a restless excitement, as expectant of something, pervading all, whilst the various shops redoubled their exhibitions of finery, and crowds of admirers were clustering round then: impeding the causeways. Yesterday evening, the festival commenced with the ball at the Wellington Rooms. The company began to assemble at nine o'clock, and continued arriving without intermission till about eleven. The assemblage consisted for the most part, of the principle gentry of the town and neighbourhood, with a few strangers. There were, however, riot many families of distinc tion; a party arrived late from Kaaaaley, the seat of Lord Derby. We also observed the late Mayor there and Sir Thos. Brancker. About 500 tickets were sold. Dancing commenced shortly be'are ten o'clock, and continued, without intermission, until three, when the ball began to break up. Many parties, however, left before that time. Weippert's hand was in at tendance, and performed in its usual superior style. Amongst the musical pieces which were most favourably received during the evening were the "Rhine," " Terpsichorian," and "Mos cow" Waltzes, " The Nations," and " Elieir d'Amour " Quad rallies. The room, about twelve o'clock, presented a very splen did appearance, many of the ladies being elegantly dressed, and their gay apparel contrasting agreeably with the sombre ,hues of _the dress coats of the male visitants, Whilst engaged in the mazy dance or the lively promenade. This morning a sermon is to be preached a t St. L u k e ' s Church by the Rev. Dr. Gilbert, Principal of Brazen-nose Col lege, Oxford. The accompanying arrangements are excellently adapted, and will be attractive. The Ts Deum and Jubilate will be sung by the principal singers and the chorus; and in the course of the service three favourite anthems of Marcello, Kent, and Mozart will be given by the most talented of the vocalists. The choir has been amplified and enlarged under the immediate superintendence of Sir George Smart. The concerts are to take place at the Amphitheatre, in Great Charlotte-street, where alterations have been made which do the greatest credit to the taste and judgment of the committee. The stage has been completely wailed in, and presents to the eye of the spectator in front the shape of one-halt of an octagon. These walls are beal.! - ifully and tastefully decorated in a chaste and highly -relieved pattern, which displays itself with a remark ably vivid effect, though its prevailing characteristic is neatness. This department has been entrusted to the skill of Mr. Trout beck. A sufficient sweep of stage has been left beneath the proscenium for the vocal performers, for the conductor, and for the instruments which usually occupy this situation; from thence, in a regular succession of seats, a spacious orchestra, which occupies the whole breadth of the stage, extends upwards nearly to the level of the proscenium.- Tins, when filled with tire numerous musicians who have been engaged, will in itself present a most striking coup d'ceil, while the compact enclosure of the space, joined to its fo r m, w ill, i t i s expect ed, proj ec t the sound to the audience most effectively. The old orchestra has been enlarged and raised to a convenient height, so as to give a full view of the performers, while it will not obstruct the view of those behind. It is filled with ranges of seats, and forms a sort of spacious pew, being completely co vered over with crimson cloth. The avenue which formerly led from the circle to the stage has been likewise made to con duce to the general decoration. It is covered in a similar man ner to the orchestra, and contains seats which, with those above mentioned, are to be approprieted to the use of the Stewards and the Patrons of the Festival. The circle has entirely dis appeared, the whole of the materials which formed it having been removed, and the entire space has been laid out with seats, which extend, without any intervening partition, under the boxes, so that what was formerly the pit is now a part, with out any division, of the new area. The entrance from the back, by an avenue which runs through the middle to the pew under the stage. The whole of th ese seats are covered with crimson cloth, and, from the alteration which we have attempted to describe, an extent of space is developed which has a mag nificent apppearance. The fronts of the boxes and of the first tier of gallery have been newly painted in warm colours, which will relieve the gilded decorations. The fronts of the upper ranges of the gallery have been newly papered. The division which enclosed the boxes next the stage on each side of the house has been removed, whereby the ap parent size of the theatre has been greatly increased, and its proportions magnified to an extent which will not be productive of less surprise than gratification to those who may remember it in its former state, The ceiling has been tastefthly re-deco rated by some of Mr. Troutbeck's most able artists; and when we add to this, that the backs of the boxes have been hung with handsoine paper, the reader will perceive that the committe e have not aimed merely at rendering the house fit for accommo dation by a few easy alterations and P.iinsy adornments, but that they have given to the tout ensemble a finish becoming the oc casion and the audiences which may there be expected to as semble. It is estimated that the pit will contain nearly a thou sand persons. The morning performances of sacred music are to take place in St. Peter's Church. It is to be regretted, that we have no building.in this town of sufficient size to give due effect to the magnificent creations which are to be performed, or to accom modate the number of persons who attend our festivals. The space in St. Peter's Church is much too small, but it has been made the most of. Numerous alterations have been made, and it has been fitted up to accommodate 1400 persons. A spacious gallery has been erected, which commencing at the pulpit, rises to such a height as to cover about two-thirds of the eastern win dow. The orchestra is extensive, and will contain 300 per formers. For the fancy ball, which, as our readers generally know, is to be held at the Town-hall, the arrangements will be on the same splendid scale as formerly, with some alterations which have been suggested by experience of f o r mer i nconven i ence. A spacious and lofty gallery, of two stories in height, is to b e carried across the area of the Exchange. The upper gallery of this will communicate from the grand ball-room, in the Town hall, to the Underwriters'-room, in the Exchange-buildings, svhsnh will be converted into a room for promenading.. Through this the company will pass forward to the Newsroom, in which spacious apartment the supper is to be laid out. The return will be through the lower gallery, which will communi cate •with the ground staircase leading to the ball-room. Thus the inconvenience which formerly resulted from the company passing and iepassing by the same gallery to the supper-ro om will be avoided. The whole of the decorative department will be of the most tasteful description; and, while tire committee have paid due attention to diet which will gratify the eve and the car, we are given to understand that they have made such arrangements with Mr. Radley and Mr. Lynn as shall ensure equal satisfaction to the appetites of their guests. Weippert's celebrated quadrille band and llorrabin's band, from Manchester, are engaged to attend. it is expected from the arrangements which have been made, the excitement which prevails, and the sale of th e tickets which has already taken place, that the fancy ball will far outvie those of former occasions. Persons labouring under deafne ss an d o th er di sor d ers o f th e ear, who have not had an opportunity of consulting the cele brated aurist, Mrs. Gardner, may still profit from her advice and assistance, as she will not leave Liverpool till the end of the festival. ImPaunsticE.—Yesterday, at the police-office, a respectable looking man, was brought up charged with having been found quite drunk and helpless in the streets the night before, and who was put into Bridcwell for safety. On being searched he had bills, notes, and other mon e y f oun d on hi s p erson to t h e amount of £227 7s. He was fined ss. for being drunk. TOXTETH•PARK BAZAAR.—This bazaar has been continued open until yesterday. The attendance of visitors yesterday was extremely numerous and fashionable, and the proceeds must have been considerable. Nearly all of the very many beautiful ornaments of the more expensive kind were railed for yesterday afternoon, towards the close of the bazaar, amidst much good humour and amusement. We trust that the proceeds will lead to the anticipated result and repay the charitable exertions of the committee. ZOOLOGICAL GARDENS.—The collection at this delightful re sort has received several valuable additions within the last week and the menagerie is now complete. The proprietor purchased on Tuesday last, three flue young lions, which were brought to this country, by the French brig Zephyr, from Senegal. These, together with the tiger lately presented by Captain have completed the range of animals in the circular building. Mr. Atkins is in treaty for a giraffe from the London Zoological Society, and entertains sanguine hopes of success. The Earl of Derby, the president of the society, has been written to, and - haisent a favourable answer. We Hope to be able in our next to congratulate Mr. Atkins upon the fulfilment of his wishes. NEW AND IM p9RTANT COMMERCIAL. BOOKS.—We beg to call the atterVtion of our commercial friends to the books adver tised under the following bead, in our paper of this day, cem prising—" Tate's Manual of Foreign Exchanges," " Gumer sall's Discount Tables at all Rates per Cent," " Anderson's Models of Commercial Letters," " Jackson's New System of Book-keeping," " Walton's most Comprehensive Reckoner" ever published. The-se - bni, , ks are the very best on the subject of which then treat, and ought to have a place in every count ing-house lilirary in the kingdom. THE THEATRE-ROYAL.—Last evening Mr. Charles Kean took his benefit, in the play of "Harslet," and had an . over flowing house; decidedly the best this season. The boxes were crowded, many strangers arrived for the festival being present. We have already noticed Mr. Kean's Hamlet in a former num ber. The cast of charahters was the same this evening as on the former occasion, with the exception of Mr. Stuart playing the Ghost of Hamlet's Father, a character we were sorry to see given to him. We need hardly add, that what there was to do was well played. We did not admire Mr. Kean's Hamlet so much as on the previous occasion: He was anxious to do too much, and frustrated many of his finest efforts by his over anxiety. There were several points which were not given with such effect as before; we remarked also one or two which were better given, and which met with a ready applause. On the whole, however, the character was finely personated. The opera of " Gustavus 111., or the Masked Ball," followed. We have not, however, time for further comment. DETECTION OF A SUPPOSED MURDERER.—On Saturday, at the Police office, an Irish labourer who gave his name as Patrick Quigley, was placed before the magistrates, having been appre hended on information conveyed to the officers that he had been one of a party of ruffians who had been concerned in the mur der of an officer in the early part of last year, near Clare. A witness named Edward Challoner, deposed to knowing the prisoner, and that his real name was Timothy Mear. He was present when a party of officers were attacked near Clare, and one of them named John Donovan was murdered. He would swear to the prisoner being one of the men who was concerned in the murder. Some of the men were tried in the Spring As sizes of last Year and he had given evidence against them. Prisoner. —" Where does he say I live? I live in Tipperary?" Mr. Hall enquired of the witness if he had known the pnsoner hT before the m ur d er? The witness replied that he had known t r l; i i it a , h it e iv: ( l , y ol d ,, r g ii e t. t d a i n h d: stated P risor ; for two years before and could positively swear to him. Pat Ouigley and i l tn k e n s o s " e ' s led to e p o r fo the t t l r ia a t ns h a e c ! i s o r n a; e not as was slated. Mr. Hall said he should detain him until he Bad hcird from Irelafid An , ‘rp !cation hail been made . relating to him but he would he detained till farther ill'f6ri.'dti . 6":e recei-,:ed t•ffriii.tink hint. TUE LtVIRPOOL 'sTAll34llb. TO THE REV; THOMAS MAGUIRE. Stri,-On the occasion of what your friends call your chal lenge to me, you are reported to have said that you would at any time, readily meet the revilers of your religion, the O'Sul liyans and M'Ghees : and that you would wait three weeks in Liverpeol to give my friends time to apprise me of your chal lenge. Before that period had expired, I addressed a letter to you, which was printed on Saturday, the 17th of September, in the Liverpool Journal, a paper known to be in circulation amongst the Roman Catholics of the town and neighbourhood. But you were gone. On Saturday, the 24th of September, the editor of the Journal informed the public that you had been somewhere near Preston, but he concluded you hail removed thence, as otherwise a copy of his paper must have reached you. Another week passed. On Saturday, the Ist of October, the Editor of the Jou, nal informed the public that he had authority to say you would be in Liverpool on Tuesday (to-morrow). This letter will be ready for your perusal in the STANDARD to morrow morning, and I shall direct a copy of that paper to be addressed to you to the care of the Editor of the Journal. 1. First I call your attention to my letter of the 17th ult. ac cepting your challenge. As the challenged party, I have an undoubted right to choose my weapons, without assigning any cause; but I ant willing that you and the public should be in possession of my reasons for preferring the press as a vehicle of theological controversy. If my object were to display my own talents as a disputant : to excite party contention : to rouse angry feelings of opposition against my Roman Catholic fellow-countrymen : wilfully to darken the subject in hand by quotations from human autho rities public or private; and thus at the expeus , of truth, and peace, and honesty, to gain an apparent triumph in disputation: if these or any of these were my actuating motive, then I should probably prefer the platform; but none of these form any part of my object. My object is to show that the authorized formularies of the church of Route and the superstitious practices founded there on will not bear the light of the sacred word of God; that what the Church of Rome inculcates as the gospel of Christ was never inculcated by Christ himself, or by his inspired apostles ; and that, consequently, both priests and people should flee out of the a ntiscriptural apostacy, read and believe the word of God, and be saved in the Lord Jesus Christ with a free, full, present, and everlasting salvation. Now, what is your object? Is it to display your talents as a disputant? Is it to excite party contention? Is it to rouse angry feelings of opposition against your protestant fellow countrymen ? Is it wilfully to darken the subject in hand by quotations from fathers, and councils, and bulls, which contra dict one another as freely and flippantly as fretful children or angry women ? Is it thus, at the expense of truth and peace and honesty to gain an apparent triumph in disputation ? If these, or any i pf these, be your actuating motive, I do not Wonder' that you should prefer the platform, But if none of these be your object—but, if your object be to show that the au thorised formularies of the Church of Rome are in accordance with the word of God; that what the Church of Rome inculcates as the gospel was inculcated by Christ and his apostles; and that, consequently, all heretics should see that they are guilty of the fatal sin of schism, and thereupon return for salvation into the bosom of the mother and mistress of allehurches;. then,• assuredly, both your object and mine will be best attained by a painstaking series of writings. I prefer the Press then, because, first, bravado and bluster, and sophistry will .go for nothing when on paper, and no per manent impression will be made except by sound interpreta. lion, attested facts, and consecutive reasoning. And, because, secondly, such interpretations, facts, end reasonings, will then' be submitted, not to the impromptu suffrages of an .excited, and impatient assembly, (small at the largest possible amount of auditors) but to the calm deliberate inspection of the United Kingdom, and the educated world. 2. But in the second place, if you have still such an invincible • predilection for speaking, that you will not, or cannot write : then I call your attention to Mr. M . Ghee's unanswered challenge to THE PLATFORM, and to his letter in the Liverpool Mai/oflast Saturday, in which he says you have skulked his challenge for the last three years. " First, by pretending you never saw it for three years, though it was publicly advertised in the chief Roman Catholic Journals, and called about the streets of Dublin, and lastly, by evading it through unworthy artifices, when it-was posted on your Chapel door." What say you to this ? For a contentious man, you are now surely in a happy posi tion. You may choose your man, and your weapons. lf, on sober reflection, you are really desirous of eliciting truth, and see the propriety of adopting the quieter, and more effectual mechum of the Press, lam your man. If, on the contrary, you still prefer the Platform, Mr. M'Ghee is your man. thrum horum mavis accipe. • If you feel, as 1 hope for your own sake you do, that you can not properly meet either of us, until you have vindicated your self against a grievous accusation, Mr. Nolan is your man. I quoted his words to you in my last letter. 3. Finally, if you will neither meet Mr. Nolan on - his pub lished and unanswered charge against you: nor accept Mr. M`Ghee's published and unanswered challenge to the platform: nor follow up your attack upon me by accepting my published and as yet unanswered challenge to the press: then for common, shame sake, hide yourself, and never more attempt to delude the poor ignorant creatures who hear you, and who are not al lowed to read and think for themselves. It is for the temporal and everlasting welfare of our liner fellow-countrymen, that we wage this warfare against the artifices which your church ii now practising, concealing her theological and intolerant de formities, behind a plausible mask of charity and liberality, that she may thus associate with herself the careless and the infidel, to the attainment of the grand object of her ambition— political supremacy. Yes, Sir, it is on behalf of our poor de luded, mentally enslaved fellow-countrymen, that we "earnestly contend for the truth once delivered to the saints"—truth for the people, a freely circulated Bible in their mother tongue for the people, light for the people, liberty of conscience for the people, salvation for the people! This we say to the Priests of Rome. 1 am, sir, your obedient servant, HUGH APNEILE. Liverpool, 3d October, 1836. MUSICAL FESTIVAL. TO THE EDITOR ()P THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SIR.—We observe, with regret, the announcement, this day, that the service which should have taken place at "St.'llfichiie?s Church," on Tuesday next, has been transferred to "St. Lake.'s Church," in consequence (as stated) of the inefficient state of the organ. As the builders of the organ in " St. Michael's Church," and carrying on that business extensively in this town, the impres sion ( which would be very injurious to ourselves) might get abroad among our friends and the public generally, that there had been some neglect, on our part, in nut attending to the instrument. The fact is, that for the last three year s we h ave not h ad the charge of the or ga n in qu es ti on , f ur reasons k nown only to the powers that then were, but of whi c h fu r th er no ti ce i s, at present, unnecessary, our only object being to prevent, any impressi on going to the public generally----.and which might be the case— as to our not attending to business intrusted to us. Had it been under our care, there should have been no occasion, on that account, to transfer the service from one church to another. While. on the subject of organs, we would further observe, that we regret the Festival Committee should deem it necessary to overlook resident tradesmen of long standing here, and bring down parties from London, to attach a long movement to the organ in St. Peter's Church for the Oratorios, which, t o say. nothing of the additional expense thereby incurred, is casting an unmerited stigma on the resident tradesmen of the town, Particularly in that department.—We are, Sir, your obedient servants, BEWSHER and FLEETWOOD, Bronte-street. Saturday Evening, Ist October, 1836. TOWN-COUNCIL PROCEEDINGS. An adjourned meeting of the couucll s'as held on Vriday last, at eleven o'clock ; the MayOr in the chair. LAND IN SOHN-STREET. The MAYOR stated that he had received it letter from the Di rectors of the Liverpool Tradesmen's Bank, who were dqsatis find with the decision of the improvement cominitteel as to a :pieee of laud iu John-street, called the Globe chambers: They alleged that they had purchased the land from the cominitlee, and claimed to have the purchase confirmed ; the committee re ject° t their claim, the laud having been previously sold to Mr. Rotherham. The letter was then read by the deputy town-clerk. " Liverpool Tradesmen's Bank, 30th September, 1336. "Sim—We beg to refer you to the annexed copy of a com munication which we add ress ed t o th e I mprovem e n t Committee on 21th instant, respecting the remaining piece of land in North John -street, called The Globe Chambers," and which com munication contains all the particulars of our written applica tion, purchase, and clann• to have such purchase confirmed to us by said committee. " The-Improvement committee having, at their meeting on Tuesday last, the 27th instant, rejected our'claim for confirming the purchase of said land and althoutzli in our appeal to them for that purpose, we respectfully solicited "an early reply" to our claim, their decision of Tuesday was not communicated to us until Tnursday afternoon, the '29th instant, and then only, after having, on our part, specially written to the Town-hall for the same. .•`.The Directors of this Bank conceiving they have sufficient grounds for being dissatisfied with the decision of the Improve ment Conimittee in this affair, respectfully solicit the favour of your laying this, as well as the accompanying communications before the council to-day, in order that a statement of the. whole transaction may come under their deliberate cousidera tion, To Wm. Wallace Currie, Esq., Mayor, Liverpool. " TO THE IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE OP THE LIVERPOOL CORPORATION. " September 21th,1836. "GENTLEMEN, —Having heard about six or seven weeks ago that-a lot of land, called 'the Globe Chambers,' in John-street, Omer of Temple court, was on - sale by the corporation, and being desirous of purchasing the same f or su it a bl e p rem i ses f or this - bank, we made application respecting it through Mr. San derson, one of our directors, and on behalf of our board, to your clerk, Mr. Charles Okill, who informed us that 'it was decided the land would be disposed of by public sale, of which dup notice would be given, and that it was useless, therefore, to-make an offer by private treaty.' It will be obvious to your committee that- the natural tendency of this information, communicated - . through an official channel, must have been not only to impress • our minds with the - hOpe of seeing the said lot of land left to open competition, but also t dilsuade us frown making any Offer by Private treaty - ..lnitriedigeri; i44beitig informed of your, in tention to'sell'said lot bY'Priiat'e:tpile, - we acted oil the second information by directing otir'atrent; Mr. John Parry, to offer ' , ten guineas per Square yard, WhiCh offer was regularly made to your surveyor, Mr. Franklin. ' . • " On Tuesday last; the 20th instant, Mr. Parry was informer" by your surveyor that the committee had fixed the price of said land at £l2 per square yard. We then directed Mr. Parry to ho immediately to Mr.-F'r'anklin , to close the purchaie. r. Parry accordingly waited on your surveyor on same (Tuesday.) and inquired if Mr. Franklin was authorized to sell the land, when Mr. Franklin replied in the affirmative. Mr. Parry then said, will give 'you £l2 per square yard for it.' Mr. Franklin, in reply, said, Write are a note to that effect.' Mr. Parry then remarked, 'The purchase money is ready;' to which Mr. Franklin rejoined, 'Put that at the bottom of your -note.' Phe note referred to was accordingly handed to Mr. F ranklin, when Mr. Parry observed,- Mr. Pianklin, is it a sale ?' and Mr.-Franklin replied iu.the affirmative. 'After some further conversation, Mr. Parry again remarked,'rhea it is 'a sale;' to which• Mr. Franklin replied, `lt is, unless something supersedes it.' Ihis last expression we understood to allude to the confirmation of such sale by the council. Mr: Franklin having given Mr. Parry a plan of the land, with a card of the renewals of the lease under which such land would be held, the negociation was concluded, and we considered the purchase of the land made. "On Wednesday last, however, our ageni, Mr. Parry, re ceived a note from Mr. Parry, of which the following is a copy : " !Town-hall, 21st September, 11336. " Sir,—ln reply to your note, I have to inform you that the remaining land of the Globe Chambers was under offer to Mr. Rotherham, who has this morning accepted the same on the terms asked by the committee;—his first application was dated 10th instant, yours on 19th.—I remain, &c., (Signed) " CHAS. OKILL. " Mr. John Parry.' " "We were Certainly unprepared for such a communication as the above, when on the previous day, your surveyor had sold the land in question to our agent, Mr. Parry, and, consequently, we took the earliest opportunity of apprizing Mr. Okill of our ;determination to bring a statement of the whole transaction under the consideration of your committee. -" Now we respectfully submit that, if priority of application he the ground of preference of sale to Mr. Rotherain, we are evidently entitled to that preference: for Mr. Rotheram's first application is dated 10th Instant. Our application, through Mr. Sanderson, as already stated, was about the middle of August. " Again, if our offer of ten guineas per square yard was the highest made,, that gives us the priority, being the highest bidders: • - " Also,-Mr. Rotherham `accepts' the offer of £l2 on Wed nesday, we purchased the land on same terms from your sur veyor on Tuesday. " And we therefore submit that, under all the circumstances of the case, we are fully and justly entitled to have the purchase of said land confirmed to us; and we have no &MLA but that your committee will so decide in the matter. _ "Soliciting an early reply," &e. Mr. BARCLAY, on behalf of the committee, stated that afters careful examination, they had come to the conclusion that the bank had no claim for the land. Mr. Franklin was not em powered to sell the land, and distinctly denied that he had done so. On the eontsary, he !sad expressly referred to another and prior offer being an obstacle in theway. After some remarks and questions by Mr. Duncan, Mr. Bol ton, and Mr. Robinson, the minute book of the improvement committee was sent for, and the minute's reed over. From these it appeared that there was originally a negociation with Messrs. Clibborn and Co, for the purchase of the land. At the meeting of the committee, held on the 12th September, a letter dated the 10th was received from Mr. Rotherham making an offer, and it was resolved that if Messrs. Clibborn and Co. did decline it, and at the meeting of the 19th, the letter of Mr. Rotherham was reconsidered, and another letter was received from Mr. Perry, agent to the bank, making an offer. It was agreed that the land should be offered to Mr. Rotherham, and if he declined it, that it should then he offered to the bank. At the meeting of the 2Gth there was a letter dated the 21st se ceived from Mr. Rotherham, accepting of the offer, and also a letter from the bank dated the 20th, claiming the land on the ground of the verbal conversation or agreement with Mr. Franklin. Both parties agreed to give the price of £l2 per square: yard fixed by the committee. At the meeting of the 27th the surveyor attended, and explain e d w h a t h a d passe d w i t h 'the agent for the bank, and the committee were of opinion that • the sale to Mr. Rotherhatn should be confirmed. .... ••• •••••.,.• Mr. ROBINSON thought the c•ocnmittee had done right, as Mr. Rotherham had accepted the offer on the 2lst. Mr. Duncan.—The bank say that Mr. Franklin sold it to them on the 20th. Mr. BAncLAY.-;—Mr. Franklin denies it; besides it would be a dereliction of duty in Mr. Franklin to conclude a pur chase. Mr. Sum, wished to know what steps the committee had taken to obtain the best price. • Early in the year a great amount of corporation property was offered for sale, and the price obtained surpassed the most sanguine expectations of those belonging to the corporation, and of the best judget of land in Liverpool. Was this land publicly advertised to be sold? He disputed the right of the committee to vll -land privately; -they ought to have sold it by auction, and let the whole town share in the competition. A large price might thus be'got from persons in want of land. It had been insinuated to him that members of this corporation were interested in this transaction, and he hoped therefore it would nut be confirmed. Mr. BBOWN thought the committee had done right in award ing the land to Mr. Rotherham, with whom the negotiation had first commenced. The bank had no claim unless the bargain with Mr. Rotherham had fallen through. Mr. BOLTON said, that on the 19th of September,.£lo per yard was offered by Mr. Rotherham, and 10 guineas by the mink. On the 20th the bank offered £l2, nhich was the price required. The offer of Mr. Rutherhatu was dated the 21st. The land was on sale at a certain price, and the hank was the first offerer at .that price. He would therefore second Mr. Sheil's motion that the sale to Mr. Rotherham be annulled, and that the land be sold by auction. Mr. 7. - 1. Honrsey, as a member of the improvement com mittee, denied that they had any motive except to do what was right and to get the best price they could for the laud. He then recapitulated the particulars of the transaction. The committee considered Mr. Rotheram the first offerer Mr. Okill and Mr. Franklin both thought £l2 a very high price. The offer was made on the 19th' and Mr. Rotherham accepted it on the 21st. It was.not offered on condition of being accepted by return of post. On the 20th the bank agent had a conversation with Mr. I . 'ranklitc, - -but this did not come before the committee till the 27th and Mr, Frariklin'then denied the fact, and said that he had'expreSsly alluded to the existence of another offer as an obstacle in the way. As to the charge of selling by private contract they had constantly dOne so, and Mr. Sheil should have objected before if he disapproved of it. Mr, SHEIL said he made the objection as soon as he saw the error., 111 r. HORNBY said they acted in the same way as the finance committee, of which Mr. 'l'. was a member. He wished to know whether the finance committee,. whose transactions were to a much greater extent, sold land by auction ? Mr. Coor.ars said, that if the improvement committee sold the land and had the power to sell it, Mr. Rotherham would de mand the fulfilment of the contract, If they hart power to make the contract, he had power to enforce it. It was equally binding on both parties. He did not believe, that the gentlemen of the improvement committee had acted from any improper motive. The bank alleged that it was actually sold to them, and he would recommend the appointment of a select committee to investigate the whole transaction, and to report to the council. The MAYOR reminded Mr. Coglan that the committee had no power to compl ete t h e contract. 'The transaction was not con cluded, and therefore nut binding, until confirmed by the council. Mr. 1 3 1 .aoknunx said the proceedings of the committee were quite regular, and according to the usual practice. They had very properly considered Mr. Rotherham as the first offerer, in• asmuch as he was first ietreaty for the land. The question now was, whether there were particular circumstances in this case to call for further investigation. tie thought there were such circumstances, and the best way, therefore, would'be to set the sale aside,' and dispose of the land by auction, to the highest bidder. Ir. _A y rt, T u the chairman of the imprcivement committee, said he had attended the meetings, but he agreed with Mr. Blackburn that the best plan would be to put up the land afresh by auction. Mr. Btheit seconded Mr. Coglan's motion for furtherinquirY. The bank had offered 10 guineas against Mr, Rotherhatn's £lO before,Mr. Rotherham offered the £l2. Mr. Bot,ToN saw no advantage in Mr. Coglan's motion, and as there had been a strove expression of opinion that the sale should oot be confirmed, he would Support the motion for selling by auction. .Mr,EvAils said that auctions were often abortive, from not being well attended. There was some land at the North Shore actually given away after having been offered by auction. But as there had been "treat confusion iu this case, and as the 10 guineas had been offered by the bank first, he would annul the sale and offer it by auction. Mr. E. SMITtt said that the statemetitl on this subject were so conflictin g that he dared not vote upon it, and he wished to know from the Mal - or if he might leave the room. The •Al-Avon said'-it was extremely desirable that every gen tleman should vote one way or another, but if any one coul d not n ahe .his mind, he had Netter walk opt without saying any thing at all about it. As he was on hislegs.he would take that opportunity of -saying a few words on the subject before them, that: he might not, as on a former occasitM,.. come too late with* his rent - arks.. His experience was that while the hctime property of the. corporation so!il well land did not sell well b y au c ti o h. • The sales were put oil from time td time without a bidder And at last the property was blown upon. and became depreciated in value. House. property was bought with avidity, but the buyers of land would not come forward at auctions. The highest price ever got before this for land in the same situation was £lO per yard. He might. state that this land had nut been offered by auction. He wished it to be distinctly understood by the coun cil as well as by the public that committees could not conclude sales, and that all mere verbal conversation about purchases I,reot fur nothing. Every thing must be done in writing. It had been the practice of the council, however, to be most cautious as to the annulling of contracts entered into,by committees, as the dignity of the council and their c ha racters as f a i r tra d ers Would Ise comprOMised if they should make a common practice of not confirming the acts of their committees. It had rarely if ever, happened that the council did not confirm the proceed ings of committees, 111:r CoG N now said that he would withdraw his amendment, and leave the land td be sold by auction. Mr. BA ucr.ay said that he would rather the subject was fur ther investigated than that the sa l e s h ou ld b e annu ll e d . H e should therefore move the amendment which Mr. Cogtau had. Mr. MORECRorr said he would annul the sale and put the land up by auction. This was the mode always resorted to when a dispute arose between two purchasers. Mr. RA RL E said the present case was not one of dispute be tween two purchasers at an auction. If they put it up by auction it would look as if they wanted to take advantage of the misun derstanding that had arisen, so as to get more Money for the pro perty. .It was better to have an iuvestigation. Mr. E. CROPPER, as a member of the Improvement Commit tee, thought it better to investigate. No argument had been brought forward for selling by auction. Mr. Hw.r said that in the first instance an offer had been made to Mr. Rotherham, and the committee were bound to await his answer before the bank was in a position to make au offer or the committee to entertain it. If the bank had offered £l5 or £2O per yard they could not have taken it until Mr. liotherham's answer was obtained. Mr. SHEIL said he had every confidence in the good intentions of the committe e , b u t h e w o uld go no further. They had not taken pains to make the best of the land. There was no adver tisement nor even a board up. The two competing parties would look to their own interests ' and he th oug ht th at it was due to the publi c th a t t h e counc il should get the best. possible price. The Finance Committee renewed leases to present pos sessors without advertisement, on payment of the regulated flue, but he did not recollect a single instance of property being sold without being advertised. Mr. Evans said that auctions were not always successful; but, he would advertise it by auction, as they did goods in their private business, in order to bring ,pur chasers forward to treat. the Mayon ..was then about-to put the motion, to the vote, lint on referring again to the minutes of the Improveineut Commit tee he found a resoluti on d a t e d 29 t h A ugust, t h at the et of land W called the Globe Chambers should be sold fur £l2 a-yard. This resolution was confirmed by the council. This, said his • worship, was a full justification of the conduct of the Improve- , merit Committee. Mr. BoRI N sm.' said he should now move that the proceedings .of the committee he con firme t. The yoR put it to Mr. Sheil whether after this he would persist in his motion. Mr. SHEIL declined to withdraw his motion. A Similar tran saction as to the sale of land took place last year, and excited much suspicion of unfairness. He was one of those who hives , tigated the matter, and he found that the suspicion tas - unfounded. He thought therefore all sales should be public. The MA you asked if gentlemen were aware of the effect which would be produced as to the character of the «mncil if, after fix ing a rice, a subsequent meeting should annul it? They had decided that £l2 should . be the price of this land, and if they now revoked that proceeding the honour of the council would be gone. If they did such a thing, he for one would never sit there and countenance such 4i proceeding. Mr. EARL - 1i said that £l2 was a very high price, and it had only - been obtained as there were two parties, wanting the laud. The council then divided on Mr. Robinson's amendment for confirming the proceedings of the Improvement Committee, when there were—For the amendment, Messrs. Logan, Rush ton, H. Il orubv, Leigh, J. Cropper, Jordan, Duncan, Tayieur, •Blain,•Moun, pulley, Barclay, Robinson and Brown.— A . gainst. the amendment Messrs. G. Rawdon, M'Gregor, Balton, H. Holmes, Mellor, Birch, Bolton, R Athbone, J.Lawi ence, Lassell, HOlt, Earle, M croft, Blackburn, Coglan, B. Cropper, Alison, Sanders, Evan 0. Ileyworth, Freme, Stuart, T. Smith, and the Mayor.—Frir the amendment, 15; against it, 29 ; Majority against the amendment, 14. Mr. BA lie LA Y's amendment for the appointment of a special committee win then put, when there were--For the amendment, —Messrs. J. Holmes, Logan, Thornhill, Harvey, Thornelv, Rawdon, M'Gregor, H. Holmes, Mellor, Birch, rinshton, Hornby, J. Lawrence, Lassell, 'l'. Holt, Earle, Coglan, E. Cropper, Alison, G. Holt, Cropper, Jordan, Duncan, Tay ieur, 0. Heyworth, Moon, Bulky, Barclay, Robinson, Stuart, Brown, T. Smith, and the MaYor. T -Against the amendment,— ,srs. Sheil,Barton, Bolton, Rathiione, Morecroft, Blackburn, Sandars, Evans, Blain, and Freme.—For the amendment, 3.3; against it, 10. LThe Mayor's list gave 11 against the amend ment.) The amendment was declared to be carried, and the originalmotion (Mr. Shell's) for the sale of the land by auction was of course negatived. The MAYOR said, in a low tone of voice, that he was glad (as we understood him) that the amendment had been carried, as the Council would have disgraced themselves if they had put up the land afresh. Mr. Alderman EVANS immediately rose, and said with great warmth, I cannot pass over that rethark—you have repeated it before. I deny it, sir. I hold my honour as high as you can hold' yours, and I hold the honour of the council equally, high. The MA YOR said he had hoped that he should have terminated his official year without giving offence to any member of the council. His remark was made in order to vindicate the su premacy of the council. (Hear, hear.) He thought that to annul at that meeting the resolutions of a termer one, would affect their proceedings. He, of course, cast no disrespect upon any individual, least of all upon Mr. Evans, whose character he respected. He only spoke from a jealousy of the honour of the-Council. (Hear.) . The following gentlemen were then named on the special committee :—Messrs. 0. Heyvforth, H. Lawrence, G. Holt, M‘Gregor, and ,Freme. TO TILE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL ST.9ND.4RD. Stn.—Considerable perplexity seems to have been experienced by certain parties in Liverpool on the subject of Father Ma guire's present location. Perhaps I shall be able, in a few lines, to relieve the anxiety which has been so keenly felt. lam cre dibly informed that lather Tom was present one day last week at the Heaton races, and the followin evening at the Manchester Theatre. He most probably attended the former place for the purpose of acquiring a greater degree of proficiency in the classical language of the thimble-riggers, or in the artof jockey ing his opponents; and the latter place, for the equally laudable purpose of improving himself in the noble accomplishment of posture-making.—l am yours, &c., AMBROSE. TO THE REV. HUGH M'NEILE. MY DEAR FRIEND.—I have seen the Liverpool Journal con taining your answer to Mr. Maguire. As I know that your sole object is the elucidation of truth for the people, I must entreat of you, for the truth's sake, not to allow your own zeal, or your conscious capability of vindicating your Master's cause, to force ' you into any acceptance of Mr. Maguire's challenge, (or tuock• i challenge) till he has the common honesty to answer that which he has now twice. skulked from in Ireland; first, by pretending he never saw it for three years, though it was publicly adverti sed in the chief Roman Catholic journals, and called about the streets of Dublin; and lastly, by evading it through unworthy artifices when it was posted on his chapel door. The popish priests are trained with the deepest subtleties of jesuitry and sophistry to make a show of truth under the real and apparent sanction of authorities, councils, fathers, school men, &c. which never will allow the common people, nor even educated Roman catholics, to get at the plain and simple word of God, Stich confusion can they raise on every point; that even if the 'minds of the people are led to doubt by an able disputant, still there is enough - of ambiguity left to prevent them from see ing their way clear nut of the church of Rome.. But the. text proposed in the challenge which Mr. Magui:e has evaded, and which no priest in their church dares to meet, forces them at once into plain open ground, puts their creed, their infallibility, their vanity, and all the principles of their superstition, to the test.—They blind the people with arguments, to prove what au thority, and power, and infallibility, &e. they possess. This challenge puts all their I.:Ousted powers to the proof, and would at once teach the neople by the most summary process of all argument, namely, plain matter of fact, that all the pretensions of pripery are one enormous mass of falsehood and imposture. I, therefore, intreat you, my dear brother, to lead the chal lenge which I have sent over to Liverpool. I trust you will see the plainness and simplicity with which it puts, at once, the falsehoods of popery to the most clear and conclusive proof. I " will feel thankful, if you approve, that yoti will adopt it, as I intend to request that my reverend brethren fn Ireland will do so; and if you will not think me an unworthy coadjutor, let us send it forth to all Romish priests, bishops, and vicars apostolic of the Roman see; and in the strength of our God we shall, I trust, stand together, and prove the utter incompetence of all their blind guides to expound the word of God to the people, and show the people themselves that it is their right and duty to burst the shackles of that tyranny that enslaves them, and vindicate to themselves and their children the rights and privi leges of rational, responsible, immortal beings.—Believe my dear friend, your very affectionate but unworthy brother. ' - Dublin, 28th Sept., 1836. R. J. M'GHEE. We are happy to find that the reprint, by Fraser, of The Summary of the Session, by Lord Lyndhurst," has reached the 26th edition. "The General Results of the Past Session, and the Prospects of the Next" has also appeared in the shape of a small pamphlet, and obtained a very extensive circulation , This cheap reprints are calculated to render great service to the cause of conservatism, and we therefore wish the spirited pub lisher every success in his praiseworthy undertaking. Romtsti CATHEDRALS.—We have it (Says the Clonmel Ad verti,eo on undoubted authority that Tuam Cathedral,. the eighth wonder of the world, owes its erection almost entirely to protestant contributions! The Marquess of Sligo subscribes.a hundred a-year to the building. Lord Orautnore also contri butes largely, and there is scarcely a protestant landlord in that part of the country who has not sent in his tribute to the far-famed edifice. In addition to this, the priests have been touring through England and Scotland collettingsftbscriptions; and it is only the oth er d ay t h at t h e R ev. Mr. - O'Connor was announced with three hundred pounds,. which he had collected in various parts of the sister kingdom. We believe that a great part of the labour was performed graiuitensly by the Roman catholic population, but we a ll k now w h at W eapons suc h priest , s as Dr. M`Hale can bring into requisition to gather i he " boys ' for a service of that kind, and we believe that it forms the ex tent of the Roman catholic part of the subscriptions. So much for WAlnigrave tranquillity—to much for the cathedrals raiscd by the unaided contributions of the Roman catholic population. Bull. USE OF THE TOWN-HALL.-INFANT SCHOOLS. The MAYOR stated that the Education Committee had sent an application to the Finance Committee for the use of the rooms in the Town-hall for au exhibition of the system of Infant Education, under the direction of Mr. Wilderspin. As the ob ject was not exclusively a charitable one, the Finance Commit tee had hesitated to grant the rooms, and referred the matter to the council. Mr. RATHBONE said the object of the exhibition was to show the system introduced among the infants belonging to the cor poration schools. He remarked upon the importance of encou raging infant education when so much juvenile delinquency prevailed. It was important to show the public what had been done by Mr. Wilderspin in a short time, and under disadvan tageous circumstances. This would not form a precedent for applications from other schools, as these schools were their own. He moved that the request of the Education Committee be complied with, provided the surveyor thought that no injury would be done to the rooms. The exhibition was to take place on the 13th October. Mr. Morecroft seconded the motion. At the request of Mr. STUART, t he resolution of the Education Committee was read, when it. appeared that the surplus of the proceeds, after paying expenses, was to be given to Mr. Wil derspin. Mr. STUART said, it appeared from the resolution just read that the object was not strictly a charitable one. He moved as an amendment, that the Court-house, which was a more appro priate place, should be granted for the purpose. Mr. H A tivEv seconded the amendment. Mr. BLAclutuaN thought the rooms quite as appropriate as the Court-house, which would not answer the purpose. The object was not profit. If any small surplus should arise, Mr. Wilderspin was to have that ior his trouble - but so little wa . s._rt surplus looked for, that the members of the committee had guaranteed Mr. W. against loss. It was not therefore an exhi bition to get money—that would be unworthy of the Education Committee. Mr. Wilderspin had been training the corporation schools, and it was desirable to show the•publie what bad been done, that a greater degree of interest might be excited towards this object. 'rhe rooms' should be made as publicly useful as possible. There was to be another exhibition at the station house in Seel-street, to which - the lower classes were to he ad mitted gratuitously. The admission to the Town-hall would be one shilling a head, but money would not be taken at the doors, as tickets would be issued. Mr. Coot.* N strongly advocated the cause of the schools as one of vital importance. Mr. BROWN would vote for the place that would accommodate the largest number of persons, as he thought the w;hibition would be very numerously attended. Mr. ItAntnortx said the Court-house was not suitable, and lie would undertake to be perSonally responsible for any injury done to the rooms. ' The question was then put on Mr. Stuart's amendment, when there were—for the amendment 19, against it 2(t. - The use of the rooms was therefore granted by a majority of 1. SURVEYOR OF BUILDINGS. On the recommendation of the Improvement Committee, a Mr. William Rushton was appointed to the situation of survey or of buildings, for a vacant district, at a salary of .00 a.year ; to devote his whole time to the employment, and to hztve no claim fur compensation when dismissed. • THE SLAUGHTER-PovsES. A memorial was presented from tic inhabitants of Lord_ street, complaining of the slaughterimi of cattle in their neigh., hourhood. They referred "to the effluvia arising front th e slaughter-houses, and the nuisance front' cattle, particularly sheep; which were wantonly hunted up and down the streets with savage dogs. The glass in shop doors and windows was frequently broken by these animals. No interior regul,,ti ons could remove the nuisance, and the abbattoirs should luive been placed at some distance from the town.—Referred .. to the Slaughter-house Committee• On the motion of Mr. Itathbone, the name of Mr. William Lassen was added to the Education Committee. SERGEANT-AT-MACE. com pensation was read from.. Mr. Timothy Parkinson, tlelate sergeant-at-mace. li e c l a i me d £5798 18s. ar A kin claim son , f ir i 9d., or an annui t y of £3OO per annum for lif e , li e founded hie eltim on the e moluments of his othee, which were £lOO per a nnum._Referred to the Borough C ourt Committee. FINES FOR NON-ACCEPTANCE OF ottptca. 'The 'said, a p o i nt requ i red settling relating to the amount l ou ' ll w t N ai c K t l b ß e K tiue which the council would think proper to fix for the non-acceptance' of the offices of Mayor, Aldemen, Assessors, and Councillors. The act fixed that the sum fit the Mayor should be £lOO, and fur the other members of the Coon cil,lhe Assessors, and the Auditors, £5O. The MtiVort said it was necessary to fix these sums-, though, at the same time, he did not apprehend much increase to the borough rate by fines. Mr. HATHBONE would say that a smaller amount ought to be fixed: 11e would suggest that the maximum was too large a sum. He thought that a smaller amriant would be advantage ous to the public, and would not 'bear hard on individuals. Mr., BROWN enquired if it was imperative that a bye law of this' kind should be passed. The TowN-ct.}:ax said the act required that the council should fix the fine, and it was thought it had better be done then, before the necessity for its irpplication might occur. Mr. RATHBONE would then beg to move, that the tine for not serving th e office of Mayor be £5O, and for not serving, if elected as Councilmen, Assessors, /k.c. should be Ell). The motion was seconded. The MAYOR thought they had better name £2.5, the maximum in each case. Mr. BLACKBURN public, that. these fines should not be not fixed h low thought there was sometahtinsgt and divide He thought that gentlemen should ave it in ta t p o nrat t vi h ee e r. Leeds they had likely that gentlemen would he t t o o taakseliguhptonfitoheefriszeolvespublic dutte d s, fi a x n e d d ea th si e lv wpenalty ing maximum. It was not very etltechct,edth'avtitlifmllite their accepted en t e l n i eke and serious io t u h s e and pe i l m tie p s or o ta u n g t httobe s duties, they ought not to be lightly given up ;. and he did think, in a 'borough containing so much wealth, the penalty ought to be the maximum, and he should therefore move, 'hut fire maximum be the penally ; with the exception of Assessor, he thought the • r.=. penalty to that rage ought to be £25, tbdi thidi•ti ofiOA to be seine oifferened made in that. • • Mr: Til'inirr!ti.t. seconded Mr. 111aektmrh's aMendment. The 'notion, and antendtitt•ut were then put, when there ap peared for the amendment 17, fur the motion 36. u t e-t.+Ws. The TOWN-itt.en K begged leave now to draw attention t o the bye-laws which h a d b een prepared. On the part of the commit tee be was directed to state that the bye-laws hould be read th a t day, :did taken i n t o con iid erat i m i „ an d t h at t h e counc il should s give the committee the benefit of their suggestions, with which any stiggestions to be (reeled by the public wield be taken into consideration ; and that then the bve-lews he riammmittekand taken into consideration at the twit council: : Ile must exPlaid that the bye-laws were of ,two clasSes„ the first class were appli cable to the old borough, Under a certain local act of parliament. The council had now the power to Make rules and regulations with regard to fares, &c., not only wine regard to' the old bo rough, bitt for eight miles round the entward bditudary of the borough, The second class of bye-laws to be submitted to the council *ere bye-laws made Under the authority of the tounicipal act, for the good rule cif the borough, and for the prevention of nuisances. The TOWN -CLERK was proceeding to show the authorities under which the council proceeded to enact the bye-laWe under consideration, when Mr.. Matti having spoken to him, he said, it was suggested to hint that there were not two-thirds of,the council present, and that therefore it would be necessary to con fine themselves to the local act. Mr. Moeekcitoiter would suggest to the Town-clerk that they were not going to Make the bye-laws on that dity, but merely to read them, and therefore that it would not be necessary to have two-thirds of the council present. • The TOWN -CLER K then proceeded. The 2Gth of George 111. gave them power to make acts, not only within the town, but eight miles beyond it, for hacknev-coaches—• • Mr. HATI-i BONE, inte rru p t i ng t h e Town-clerk, said he alwa ; t T listened to the own-clerk with a great deal of pleasure, but really he did nit think it was essential to know the acts which authorised them to make these bye_laws. He really thOught it rather presumptuou s in hint to Make such a suggestion, but they were perfectly satisfied with the law ender which the Town clerk proposed to them to make those laws. Wis it desirable that they should know what these acts were ? He thought the time of the council might be more properly bestowed by at once proceeding to the question. • The Tome-tie-re:a said, availing himself of these suggestions, he must say that th e by e -l aws would be to t he. hands of the council for them to read over, and any information which they might require be should he, happy to eft.prd. With regard to haekney-coaches, by the last act of It-35 the edema had exten., sive powers, never yet acted on fully; it .had power. not only to register, but it had power to license the cenhes, and to license the drivers; and the net itself enacted, the if any driver should be guilty of it second cftenee, the Mayor •might suspend the license of that driver or deprive him of it, and he should be liable to a penalty if he ever afterwaials acted as driyer—so far the enactment of the legislature went. So far ;1, illy bye-laws to be submitted to themwent, they would inflict a penalty on the owner if he should employ a driver whit teas not licensed, or who had been 'deprived of his license. With respect to dhe legislatitte act, it proceeded shortly as to the bye-laws regulating coaches. The act enacts that every owner shell apply for license, then says that every coach .Shull, within twenty-tour hours, be registered in the uame of the owner of the license, with the clerk of the peace, othereeie the license shall be void. By the fourth bye-law, relating to the drivers, he believed they should obtain a very wholesome power aver this class of. men. After reciting the sth, O t h i an d 7 t h b ye-laws, relating to the licensing, numbering, &c; of hacknev-coaches, he noticed the Bth bye-law, relating to the fates of haickney-coaches. The fares would be the same as passed under former bye-lab's, with this exception, that distances which had kenerally, been computed from the stand, should now he computed front the place-from which the passenger was taken. subjected to .a provision that it should not exceed 400 yards distance from the stand where the coach was hired ; and if engaged front a place of public amusement, the distance to be computed from that place of amusement. In other respects he (the Town-clerk) was not aware that these bye laws made any material alteration in the former bye laws, excepting in one vet y impertent respect. The bye laws were made with reference to disthtet ftenalties for first, second, and third offences, and that the fine ehould begin at a very moderate sum, and go on increasing. This was the more necessary as it appeared that the council must themselves nix the fines, and could utit leave the amount to the discretion of the justices; but it would leaVe the executive power to fine a second as a first offence, if they should not choose to charge it a second offence. There was a very particular provision about property left in any coach, compelling the driver, imme diately on its discovery, to bring it to the police-office, to be restored to its owner, on payment of such slim as the magis trates should award. The act of I P 35, gave the same power to make bye-laws for licensing the drivers of carts, and the same rule was given with regard to carters. There was an improved table of rates making out for carters; but it was still in a very imperfect state ; and the communications of Merchants giving . their attention to it., would be received very thankfully by the committee. The rates for timber carriages would most par ticularly require the attention of gentlemen ih the timber trade. Under the same act of parlianient, - there %Yds a provision for.the establishment of an office in Which porters plying for hire should be registered, and though it was nut obligatory for a porter so to license himself, yet it established his character and entitled him to a preference. Misconduct was punished by having his license obliterated, and by having his name posted ; so that as much as possible the value era ticket porter's character might be upheld. After reciting the bye-law against smoking in warehouses, &e., the next was the bye-late for the regulation of steam-vessels and other boats, with regard to plying at the pier steps•belotiging to the Corporation or the Hoek Trustees. nese laws contained seine very geed firhi4SionS. They perhaps might make an addition to the old laws, that no steam-boat should remain on any station with Out having at least three competent persons on board to attend to the same. He had no* gone very •Shortly• through the different bVe-laws which demanded the attention. of the council with reference to the local act applying to the old hormigh. He would nice just allude to the second class of. bye-laws, aide under act, and_extending to the new. Mr. RA•rniiinit; - bi;iore would ;tck whether there was,m-y power in the cbriioratiari to consume smoke In steam-vessels ? The TOWN-CLERK did not think they had any power oven them. The TOWN-CLERK then continued, and recited the previsions of the intended bye-laws relating to the new borough, with re-, gard to the removal of slaughter-houses, and for the g►eneral preventioti of nuisances, fares of coaches, cars, carters, &c. H e would submit that these bye , laWs be recommitted to the com mittee, and t hat the committee ShOdd he open to any one who chose to attend to communicate any observations in which they might he interested. They had only had the notice of the bye laws published two days, but when they became more generally known he did not think but itieli%ionid receive Communications respecting them. Mr. Bleck begged to move tfi't:t the bye-laws be recommitted for the consideration of the eounnittee, with, a to their un dergoing a full discussion and careful revision," atid that they be brought forward for final settlement at the next council meet ing. The motion was seconded. Mr. H. LA weEl'iick suggested that the progressive finesAhould commence as low as 2s. 6d., and go as high as 155., by being made higher, the consequences were often ruinous to pour'men. The lowrt-cr.nak Was able to state that the committee per fectly accorded in the view taken by Mr. Lawrence, and out of the fifty bye-laws. four-fifths of the tines began with 55., end there might be cases in which they 4 , 001 begin with less. He would also have that the magistrates would have it in their power to fix the amount of costs, frir ft did seem to him a hard ship that were parties were fined under a warrant 2s. GI., to grid the costs, amount to 4s. Bd. or 5 - s. bd.—costs exceeding the penalty. Mr;EYANs said he had looked over the clauses, and he thought it very hard that there'should be a law against the . poor thought this keeping a - few fowls. lie thought. they ought no t . to legislate against a poor man keeping ti f e w dueks,,',-,hi,c,hi.,bri"_"ight: in a little profit, and were the amusement of n _!! :ici•er ; they awVirsl.4ntar horses or wa;, , gons• lie real') derSt i ' ' members of the council were at liberty to sugges't fir th e com mittee any improvement:, end additions they might thi n k The MAyon believed it to be clearly on .i od th at the proper. Mr BARCLAY suggested that it would he de s ir a ble to b ring ' the laws into a smaller compass, and do away with the eternal verbiage. The TowN-cuinx said, that subject had already been dis cussed. It might be done in an act of parliament , b u t no t i n a borough act. With regard to the fowls, he had a letter writ ten to him describing the fowl§ going about the streets as a great nuisance. gravely passed seriatim. .. before tieing passed by the council. Mr. RA'tHBONE would propose t eac h i i ? .14, oitoese laws should 3,loOntle:eir duty unless each of the bye laws obey,de r h on e saat 1.,i i h , Mr. 11. LAW R ENCii took it for granted, that that Would be the co , rse pursued. b i l jr i t ' s 'r;- read 'l w4° on vl The MA roil said it never was intended that env other conrse should he followed. Bach law would be made as perfect as it could; it wits never intended to pass film in the lump. The TOWN-co.:a K did not think that any other course would , be legal, . . Mr. BLACKBURN thought the time left f or the ' co n s id era ti o n of these la ws very short ; he would propose that the ihoOd not be passed t ill the 91h or November, which would all ow them timetweonsider limn. . - 1' he TOWN et.Eux said it was a snidert of great itnportantir, and would have been more: properly settled before - this. Per haps it might suit Mr. 111 ark;,,,, to know the Sentiments Of the committee. that they wunifl only !!v!. through sub portions as they could 14 the 12th of October, and allow the rest to stand over. .. . Mr. BOLTON thoitzlit the subject ought not to be postponed till the .•new councillors • were elected, as the matter would be new to them, and .they vrould be deprived of the services of those who might go iiet• Mr. EA it tit had read rivet the clauses, and found no difficulty as to making up his dead as to little alterations. - He %kola, answer for it that the whole would be read in three huurs w ith attention. liontNsoN thought they ought to fix what they would do at the ❑ext meeting. ---,. It was then determined to commence at the next council' meeting with the bve-laws relatioi , to Ilacknin-coaches, and that the discussions should go on at the rate of one day per • week until the whol e o f t he h ie - laws were getlheoUgh• The Town-Ci kliK s a id h e had r eceived suggestions relating to the bye-laws frorn various partie.- Ile hail received two bye-laws from the Cletks of the P eace , ene was for the preven tion of the shikini , of carpets and the other a g ainst the blowin g - ti fore three o'clock, th e of horns by omniCiusses. (A e l the 12th ftillaid. ne T xt h n e. t C ot ( t j t u h n ly ci t i n t e h e e t n in i g 4l ;i k i t t ' a u k i e 'phi;;tr•tellt:u IIEATON PARK METTINGi-TIMRSDAY .. si ' v seach. A.F. 11 subs ' ., Plate, preseoted by . Sir R. W. Bulkele, Allanson's :Vulture, heating Whal 1 f b Whale v , it. : y was ".." "..peck?, !r. Grenada, and three ofhers.—A, P i \opeoe , d u , a Stie epstake.: ft' . : 5 the faun "nit " ifi g, " 1 '(' A oil'. added to a Handicap I .!* I() govs earn h ft, for three • l• ' stakes a • ' - ' ' WiArt.P. Piece of G('ld °Dec r son's Locomeliwe, heating Eva, Vesper , Mr. Thompson's kir f °mi d and a distance, II 5 0, 8.. " 3 won by Mr. T..Daw hv Velocipede, Post Haste, and whitefoot.—A Handicap Sweepstakes or 10 sows each, h ft, X.F., the winner to he sold for 120 sovs, if demand ed,beating 4 subs, waS won by Lord Wilton's g Whitefoot and Algiers.---One Hundred Sovereigns, giVen by the Earl of Wilton, ton. harts, tyro miles and beating Colonel Thompson's b , Al ier . Mr.. Richardson's li in Lady le Gros, 1.• fi ' ' . FRIDAY. —Th e C laret stakes of 2t. sovs each, with 50 sous added by th e town and neigh‘bourhfuul 9( Bolton', was won by. Mr. Osb a hl estan ' s gr e The Pocket. H ercu l es .—Th e Di n i ng Room St a k es (Handicap) y Mr. Clarke's e h f Vulture., , -A ,of 15 so v s eocli,-5 sows ft. with 40 soya' added by Th e C lub, was won b Gold C u p, va l ue, 200 sovs, given by the town of Manchester; added to H an di cap by Mr. Hill names L ocoMot i ve.— A Purse 450 sovs, given by Sweepstakes of 2u soya ea r .li.,lo ft, w as w on The Club, added to a Handicap Sweepstakes of 50 sovs each' was won by Mr. Sage's b f Vesper. - 'arm pur- s ex r and !heir 3 ...—Et lab- ells ertY u p_ rate rish itu- on od I of hi P rn de- for ';