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144. (Hors that R. smily for servants. hat the n much ring the $ exceed has be xtent of the late lrighton btained is, and .at Ois -Id, the hat the 30th of (100, Nov. 12,1814. MEETING OF THE TOWN COUNCIL. On S aturday, at twel ve o ' c l oc k , th e fi rs t mee ti ng o f th e Dew Town Council took place at the Town Hall. ELECTION OF MAYOR. The MAYOR said that it was hardly necessary for him to inform the Coun c il th a t t h e i r b us i ness was to e l ec t a Mayor for the ensuing year. . Mr. G. 1.1. LAWR ENCE t h en rose an d sa id h e b egge d 10 P r opose. as ca n did ate f or that office Mr. Alderman 1a Propose, Law rence—a gentleman who had had the honour ra seat i n t h e Council ever since the municipal corpora -Lions' act came into operation; and he thought he might ; ties Whi g mention that during the heat of political excitement which Then prevail e d , M r. Lawrence was then elected by both and Tory, as a Councillor for Great cieairl°9ge's Ward, a n d t h a t h e h a d di sc h arge d hi s d u ti es as man of the Watch Committee not only with great credit to himself, but by so doing he had gained the ap- Probation of his colleagues in the Council, and he believed of the public at large. (Hear.) He (Mr. Lawrence) hespeak f rom h is own observation on that sub j ect, b ut ee preferred rather to refer to a vote of the Watch Com mittee, which had been read at the last meeting of Council. (Hear.)He (Mr. L awrence ) h a d t h ere f ore e very confi "lee that Alderman Lawrence would preserve the rights a nd Privileges of the Corporation, and in his character of thchief m agistrate would maintain its dignity. He bad, erefore, great pleasure in proposing him as Mayor for t he ensuing year. (Cheers.) w ith ,Mr- Aserreaee seconded the proposition, which he did great satisfactio n , as, from the zeal and ability Mr. Lawrence had exhibited in his career in the Watch Com mittee, he could re commen d hi m t o the consideration of tee C ouncil, because he would fill the duties of Mayor with Z eal and i nte lli gence, for the good of the town at large. He et as, moreover, a great contributor to the different Public charities ; and he was sure he would devote the whol e of his time and ability to the interest of the inhabi tants. He seconded the nomination Mr. D. HODGSON said he did not know whether he should be out of course in making an observation, but ete thought it was a question in which every member of the Council might with great propriety express his opi u He thought it was better, then, to inquire how thedetail o f th e mayora l ty wou ld b e con d uc t e d ra th er !n make observations at the period of its close, which l'eteht, in some measure, seem rather to partake of fiat ;ere than sound judgment, but when they had an oppor "elite of stating what they really believed, and what had co me under their observation as to the conduct of a member of the Council, it was only right to give expres sion to it. He believed that Mr. Alderman Lawrence, l a i e,had from the first maintained all those principls were dear to the great majority of the Council, se • not waver in his conduct, but continue to support hthi,ose principles, whilst at the same time be would exhr n— a just consideration for those who differed with him. He 'ad, therefore, great pleasure in supporting the elec. - - e a p ee et Mr. Lawrence. (Cheers.) The motion being ut and carried unanimously, Mr. Sands then resigned the keys of his office to Mr. Law 'rence, and complimented him upon his appointment. .1 T he MAYOR having then taken the usual oaths, ad ;'hreseed the Council as follows :—He returned thanks for .ue hieb and distinguished honour the Council had con erred upon him ; an honour of which he felt proud, and which he assured them Re could appreciate as much as an y one could do. He bad had a seat in that Council for Il 'ne Years, and during that period be had discharged the duties of his office to the best o f his abilities, and with iti„euetnent, faithf u l ness , an d zea l, an d h e t rus t e d that in l ' new office b e s h ou ld con ti nue t o d o so . I n o rder to d 0 that he must ask the aid and support of the embers of the C ouncil, and with that aid he trusted he should con duct the business of he Council with credit to him self and to the satisfaction of the community at large. V e Pulause.) Hi s worship t h en sa id that t h e next busi was to su pp l y th e p l aces o f t! e re ti r i ng Ald ermen . e TH OMAS BRANCKER.—Mr. Mayor, I wish you goo d morning. [Sir Thomas here left the room, merely e t i t) " te e Purpose o f rema i n i ng ou t s id e w hil e hi s own elec wee,ee and that o f o th ers i n t h e p l ace o f ret i r i ng Ald ermen , proceeded a ith. We may remark, that, with rtenteiP"Wion of the Mayor, Sir Thomas was the only andTeeeAlderman present.] e'nuouneil then proceeded to the election of aldermen - deco u Ihe voting papers being duly examined, the Mayor th ere t e ; .l . the following gentlemen unanimously elected, (mayor no other nominations :—Mr. James Lawrence Mr. J oh ' Sir Thomas Brancker, Mr. David Hodgson, Swain s : Shaw Leigh, Mr. Thomas Sands, Mr. Anthony Peet 13,:i ii !‘lr. Thomas Berry Horsfall, and Mr. William Sir Thorn then usher francker and Mr. Anthony Swainson were orsfall and iered ieto the room by Mr. B rkett. All the newly-elected Aldermen, with the exception of Messrs. took the Bushbv, who were not in attendance, here e usual declaration, and had their signatures at e by Mr. John Holmes and Mr. Hugh Hornby. Sir T APPOINTMENT or. TOWN-CLERK. HOMAS BRANCKER said he rose to propose a gen tleman to fill the vacant office of Town-Clerk, whose election he trusted would be mit with unanimous appro bation. (Hear.) He (Sir T. Brancker,) might state that he had the good fortune of introducing the gentleman he was about to propose into the service of the borough. He believed it was his casting vote, as magistrate, which a Peointed him clerk to the magistrates, and from that day to the present he had felt increasing satisfaction at the vote he then gave; for every year had satisfied him t n ,, o a r n e.f k nd ) en h o a r d e o e n f ly the talent, zeal, and ability displayed ee' r Shuttleworth. (Ilear, hear.) He (Sir T. been a member of the Council for much ocrars and a..half, but during that period, he had seen Loth here the businese performed by the Town-Clerk, was past,eand in London; and without referring to what he would say a very undue share - of labour bad fatnose llen on the s h oulders of Mr. Shuttleworth. (Hear.) , e er atleieien who had been on deputations to London __`)eo,•ehe thought, vouch for Mr. Shuttleworth's tact nt in the parliamentary business connected with fre e e °l gh• He (Sir Thomas Brancker) had been there petlitg, and could say that Mr. Shuttleworth's anxiety tels e welfare of this Corporation, and his diligence and Heeaverance in performing his duties, were above all praise. be lt b r ' he ar.) He would not longer detain the Council, e gged to move that Mr. Shuttleworth be appointed mnClek, with a salary of £2,000 a-year. (Cheers.) had , J ,Oefte SHAW LEIGH fully concurred in all that e uen from Sir Thomas Brancker, and bad great Al s r eee in seconding his proposition. wish fa eelLEY-MOORE remarked that be did not to raise he o n any opposition to Mr. Shuttlewortb, whom elnhNevderkered it fit and proper person to fill the office of floe , •; t. l ; but he wished to know wh a t was th e i n t en - Tow n . ci `ee Council as to a separation of the office of Peace, elk, Prosecuting Solicitor, and Clerk of the u v r ot t e he : beca use that would make some difference as to his ,Pon the question of salary. amide Mr. Moore was speaking, Mr. Horsfall, one n ewly-elected Aldermen, here entered the room amid loud cheers, and was ntroduced by Mr. Hodgson. At a subsequ en t stage of the f t roceedings, the former gen tleman took the usual declaration.] Mr. LACE suggested that Mr. Shuttleworth should be Permitted to b e present, as there did not appear to be any °Peosition to his appointment, which was agreed to. Mr. AIKIN and several Councillors rose to speak to a `Point of form, as to the question of dividing the offices, upon which Sir Thomas Brancker agreed to amend as follows :—" That Mr. Shuttleworth be appointed Town- Clerk of this borough and Solicitor to the Corporation with a salary of £2,000 a year, with the necessary clerks for the discharge of the duties." Mr. BRAMLEY-MOORE rose to propose an amendment. wiehed to have a proper division of labour. If the To -• - solicitor's office b e ma d e t o merge i nto t h e e Q veccn-Cleat-, the duties of both would not be efficiently _ 4 ( l properly discharged ; and in support of this position need only state the increase which had taken place of e ll Years. In 1837, the number of prosecutions was 353, e 0 1843 they bad increased to 614. A committee ap pointed to investigate the duties of the paid officers had ad e ee , a report to this council recommending a division wasoelabour. (Hear, hear.) The reception of that report R, m oved by Sir Thomas Brancker. and received the peeeelion of the Council. Mr. G. H. Lawrence had also ~pressed a warm approval of the scheme, and only co- Penned rn that the committee had treated the subject as it t d i eght to be, and not as it really existed. The lamented c alh of the late Town-clerk had now given them au and unity of treating the subject as it ought to be; he should, in support of his own opinions, remark ti at the scheme had received the most direct approba eC . n of the late Town-Clerk. Mr. Shuttleworth also, auh• - " se Peti Town-Clerk, had given his opinion on this tJect, and he thought that that opinion ought to have t o r , W eight with the Council on the present occasion. Mr. we4,l#V,ee-Moore then read extracts from Mr. Shuttle s statement, in which he said that it vies absolutely ary that f..ome arrangement should be made by tent which some person should always be in the office compe 1, EH advise and confer ; and that, from his experience, ee fr ee ," B , of Opinion that the principal ought to be relieved rej tie toe details of business. and employ himself in di em e„F Others, and seeing those directions carried out ; theti'tr- Shuttleworth had also declared that the scheme to proposed —the scheme which lie (Mr. Moore) was deei se e .; l eocating— was the best that could be possibly shall e u • He moved, as an amendment, " That there to th '"e three distinct appointments of d,fferent persons aria Le of fices of Town- Clerk. of Solicitor of Prosecutions Ai r ng, and of the Cl er k of the Peace." ICieSnAW seconded the amendment. Cle r k: A• LACE s a id no suc h office as Deputy Town- O pal or Prosecuting Solicitor, was named in the muni ; and as to such an officer having all the prose the „ ns ' i f any solicitor in the town chose to look after T ' r °seeuti ,he might take every one from the o,Len-hall "8 M r s,: Proseou.UTTLEWORTH said the way in which all the la co ns I° ns were given to the Prosecuting Solicitor, was . one er Puttin e quence of the magistrates binding over the chief ti er „ or police to prosecute ; and then the latter func- M e ? consulted th Piosecuting Solicitor. 13tateerr said the present was the proper time for eee eie g the legal officers of the Corporation on a most Officers ,-, tee ting- As to the recommendations of the Paid state of keeninettee, they were given under a very different / 15 ... ir fort Vngs to what now existed ; and it . was hardly emir • t i f_etn now to be tied to those sentiments. He laticisineutrcleertkt)s h u a n d 4 ha n d . a good deal to do with the legal The [ter of the Town -hall ; and he was quite satisfied that r e ffieie' er Plan was, to have one head over the whole, with him. ( Hear years ° n on the FinanceH hear.) Any one who Committee during the last two v as most be convinced that the proposition now made toe, beck the better plan. As Mr. Shuttleworth might x eiel ce neidered as the Town Clerk, he thought . he va 6 s! t, re t , i r a ly be asked what his opinion on the subject now mrk.eLor, hear.) Is m A tr. tt juntosoN said, that, having the greatest confidence peeicirktl .rleworth, and he believed in saying so he was he very atmosphere of feeling in that Coon sub jeeatr. near!)—thev were in a position to deal with With mr.eb:ith the utmost freedom ; and he disagreed kett as to the propriety of asking Mr. Shut- tleworth the question proposed, particularly in a matter where salary was concerned. He should not have taken any part in the debate if he thought it involved legal con siderations ; but, in his opinion, it was obvious to com ri.on sense that, if, the great concerns of the Corporation of Liverpool were to ba properly managed, they must always have some authorized person bearing the name. He could not consent to act under the authority of a person who was not fully recognised by the Council itself. He believed that the Town-clerk must frequently be in London. He was sorry to foresee that he must be more in town than ever, for the Council were troubled with questions regarding their property which would require attention in Parliament. Whilst he (Mr. Hodgson) was an economist, so far as economy could be consistently carried, be was, nevertheless, of opinion, that the Council must afford to pay for those duties which were necessary for the preservation of the property and right government of the Council, irrespective of the amount. Ile was of opinion that the best course they could pursue would be to continue their late sub-division of officers, and to ap point in addition, a Clerk of the Peace. Mr. LACE agreed with the view taken by Mr. Birkett. The only argument advanced in favour of having a Deputy Town-clerk appeared to be this that his services would be required in case of the absence of the Town-clerk in London ; not that the Town-clerk, with able assistants, could not conduct the machinery of the Corporation, but that we should be at a loss when he was absent from town. Now he (Mr. Lace) hoped the Council would not have occasion to go to London for two or three years hence. Liverpool, he could assure them, was at a great discount in the metropolis,—(" hear, hear!" from Sir Thomas Brancker.)—and he certainly hoped they would keep away for two or three years. They were not, therefore, called upon to provide a remedy far what was to occur every month or every year, but for what might occur once in two or three years. (Hear.). It was agreed upon all hands that they were to have a separate officer as Clerk of the Peace; and the gentleman selected to fill that office would be fully competent to advise the Mayor in the ab sence of the Town-clerk. No one would be offered for the office of Deputy Town-clerk or Clerk of the Peace without being fully competent; and, if this were so, the greatest difficulty would be overcome and the stongest objection removed. There was in reality no such office as Deputy Town-clerk and Prosecuting Solicitor con templated by the Municipal Act, and the only way in which prosecutions were kept in one hand was by a kind of collusion with the magistrates. The Town-clerk was the party responsible for all the documents of the Corporation which legally were in his possession, and if, by electing a Deputy Town-clerk, these documents were allowed to go out of his posaession, they might be de stroyed by such deputy, yet the Town-clerk alone was responsible. (Hear, hear.) • Mr. NORTH was also in , favor of the original motion. The main argument in favor of the amendment entirely failed, for it was alleged that there would, if the original motion were carried, be no responsible head at home, whereas it was intended to have a separate officer as Clerk of the Peace, who would be quite competent to ad vise the Mayor, and perform the duties of Town-clerk in his absence. (Hear, hear.) He concluded by'paying a high compliment to the talents of Mr. Shuttleworth, and expressed his intention of supporting the original motion. (CLeers.) Mr. BUSHELL remarked that the theories of Mr. Lace and Mr. North differed from their practice. They agreed that the business should be performed under the direction of one head, and that all the officers should be subordi nate to that head. Now, on looking at the directory he found that the chief law firms in Liverpool consisted of two, three, and four persons. Mr. Bushell read over the names of a number of firms, and finished by quoting last, but not least, " Ambrose Lace, Joshua Lace, Myers, Rigge, and Roscoe." And in what differed private from public business ? What was good in one case was good in another case. Mr. Bushell then referred to the different statements of approval made by the late Town clerk and the Deputy-clerk, and concluded by supporting the division of the offices. A conversation then ensued respecting the report to which allusions had been made, and the motives of the Council at that time in appointing the committee. MT. SHUTTLEWORTH said that, from what had passed, it would appear that he had, at that time, made state ments which now he was ready to disclaim, lie therefore wished, it to be understood that the question on which the report was given was, as to whether there should be a Town-clerk and a Deputy, or a Town-clerk and a borough solicitor. If the Council determined to have two officers, he trusted they would appoint a deputy, and not an officer totally independent of the Town-clerk. Mr. H. H ou.NBY recommended the postponement of the question. The Council divided, when there appeared, for the amendment, 20 ; against it, 32. The amendment was, consequently, lost. The following members voted in the division : For: Messrs. D. Hodgson, R. B. Hill, C. S. Middle ton, J. A. Tinne, R. S. Henderson, J. Sothern, T. Roy den, C. Bushell, J. Procter, J. Kilshaw, R. Rigby, J. B. Lloyd, R. Jones, R. L. Jones, J. Parker, 3. Plump ton, R. Harbord, J. Sheppard, R. Houghton, 3. Bram ley- M oore. Against: Messrs. T. Shaw, W. Thornhill, R. Hough ton, J. Brancker, T. Chalmer, T. Blackburn, W. Pres ton, J. North, J. Aikin, H. Hornby, J. Holmes, J. Stew art, T. Tonlmin, W. Fawcett, J. Aspinall, G. G. Hornby, W. Birkett, J. N. Wood, J. Pemberton, T. Kave, J. Hornby, G. H. Lawrence, J. S. Leigh, T. T. Giazebrook, A. Lace, W. Mann, Sir T. Brancker, J. H. Turner, R. S. Crook, T. Chilton, the mayor, A. Swainson. Mr. MooRE then moved, as another amendment, that, for the present, the salary of the Town-clerk be £1,500 a year. _ _ _ 'Mr. TINNE seconded this amendment.—(Cries of " Vote !") - - - - - Mr. Pi.umPTorr asked whether he was to under stand, that, out of the £1,500, the Town-clerk was to provide his own clerk ? Several voices, " No, No !" Mr. NORTII put it to Mr. Moore whether he would persevere with his amendment? Mr. Moottu said he thought it necessary so to do. He should not enter into any reasons beyond this, that he did not think that an incoming Town-clerk ought to come in on a maximum salary. He thought that if they com menced at £1,500 and saw how he got on that they might hereafter have it raised. Sir Tnos. BRAN CK ER said, that, in the Reform Coun cil, the sum of £2,500 a year had been recommended for the Town-clerk. That sum had been suggested by a great economist, Mr. William Rathbone, a very honourable, straight-forward man, although they differed from him in politics. The recommendation, however, was notadopted, because of the heavy annuity to Mr. Foster, the previ ous Town-clerk. Why the new Town-clerk was to be worth less money than the last he (Sir Thomas) could not understand. Mr. BLACKBURN said he had been a member of the Council when the first Town-clerk was appointed, and that he was an advocate for giving him £2,500 a-year. He thought the man who had the talent to discharge the duties of such an office deserved £2,500 ; but, in addition to this, Mr. Shuttleworth was not a new man. On the contrary, he was a tried man and a known man, and de served £2,500 a-year (Hear, hear!) His (Mr. Black burn's) opinion was, that the Corporation should have the first talent the town afforded, and that the talent should be properly remunerated. (Hear, hear!) Mr. AIKIN said he was one of those individuals who did not think it right to be exceedingly liberal at the public expense. He knew of no one so well qualified to fill the situation of Town-clerk as Mr. Shuttleworth, nor one for whom he had a greater esteem ; but the raising of his salary from £lOOO to £1,500 a year was a good be ginning, and he (Mr. Aikin) did not think he should be either extremely paltry or contemptible if he submitted a motion to that effect. They should recollect that Mr. Radcliffe, when appointed to the office, was at the head of the best legal business in the town, and that they had to induce such a man to take the position. The case at present was quite different; and he must say that £1,500 a year, when he compared it with the salary paid to the stipendiary magistrate or the salaries paid to some of the legal authorities of the land, or the judges on the bench, was by no means so paltry and contemptible a thing.— (Hear, hear !) Mr. TURNER contended that what had been said about the stipendiary magistrate was not by any means anala gnus to the case of the Town-clerk. Surely Mr. Aikin did not wish to compare the duties of the two. Mr. Rushton had no wear and tear of the mind such as Mr. Shuttleworth would have to undergo. - The latter could not go home at night without thinking of the duties of his office ; whereas Mr. Rushton might ko without having any care whatever on his mind. He (Mr. Turner) thought that £2,000 a year was not at all too much, par ticularly when the Council considered the claims made on an officer in such a situation. He was called upon to subscribe and entertain; and surely a gentleman in such a situation ought to be able to lay by something for his fa mily. (Hear, hear.) Mr. LACE observed, that when thelate Town-clerk re tired from the office of Radcliffe and Duncan he was ena bled to make provision for his son. Mr. Radcliffe had told him (Mr. Lace) that, if he had any idea of the labour of the Town -clerkship, he should not have undertaken it for £3,000 a-year. He (Mr. Lace) knew no man in town more capable of taking the office or discharging its duties efficiently than Mr. Shuttleworth. lie had seen Mr. Shuttleworth's mode of conducting business in London, and it was most admirable. They could not give him more than he was worth. Mr. PARKER said he was a trustee for the burgesses of Liverpool, anti that there was an excellent old adage of "be just before you are generous." He thought if they began with £1,500 a year they should be doing very well; and with all due respect for Mr. Shuttleworth, whom he warmly congratulated on his appointment to the Town clerkship, he should support the amendment. • Mr. lionnson said he should not be the man to split on a question of £4OO or £5OO, seeing that Mr. Shuttle worth was to be the Town-Clerk and that there was the greatest confidence in that gentleman's talents and in tsgrity. But, at the same time, he (Mr. Hodgson) should like to have some understanding that the Council were not to be called upon for additional expenses for additional clerks. They were to understand that the £2,000 was to be the covering price, and that this was not the getting in of the wedge. With this view he should vote with great pleasure for the £2,000. Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE fully concurred in all that had been said respecting Mr. Shuttleworth's great zeal and ability, believing that he most entirely deserved it. He was anxious to have it understood by Mr. Parker that the proposal now about to be carried out would be productive of considerable saving to the corporate estate. There would, for instance, be the saving of the salary of a Deputy Town-clerk ; and, though they proposed to bring in a Prosecuting-clerk—(" No, no," " Yes, yes,")—to assist Mr. Shuttleworth in carrying on the prosecutions, yet this was a party to whom some £2OO or £3OO a year only would have to be paid. In the end they would save some hundreds a year and carry on the establishment far more efficiently than at present.—(Hear, hear!) THE LIVERPOOL. STANDARD. Mr. BUSHELL was sure the Council would find, ulti mately, that no saving bad been effected. He was sorry the argument had been used, because be thought that since they had devolved on Mr. Shuttleworth the impor tant duties of the Town-clerkship, and loaded him with more than the late Town-clerk had to bear, it would be unjust towards him to lower ihe salary. (Hear.) Mr. PROCTER said he should vote for the £2,000 a-year ; but that he could not agree with those members who sup posed that a saving would be effected, particularly if they appointed a Prosecuting-clerk, at £3OO, and a Clerk of the Peace at £5OO a-year. Mr. SHUTTLEWORTLI said the present cost for Town clerk, Deputy Town-clerk, &c., was £3,700, and that if the present proposals were carried out there would be a direct saving of £3OO a. year. Hear, hear.) Mr. SLIEPPARD--Mr. Mayor, I trust, under all the circumstances of the case, that Mr. Alderman Moore and the gentlemen who advocate the reduction in ques tion will now see the necessity of withdrawing their amendment. It is, sir, admitted by all that a more effi cient person cannot be found than Mr. Shuttleworth ; therefore I see no reason to reduce the salary. The du ties of the office are very extensive, and the responsibili ties great ; and, consequently, I think the Town-clerk deserves the amount proposed—viz., £2OOO per annum. I voted in the minority on the last division, but most assuredly I will, if the Council divide upon the motion, now vote against the reduction. I respectfully, but firmly, call upon the gentlemen concerned to give up their opposition, and to let the resolution pass unani mously. Mr. SANDS also spoke in favour of granting the £2,000 a-year, after which Mr. Moore consented to withdraw the amendment. The original, motion, appointing Mr. Shuttleworth Town-clerk, at a salary of £2,000 a-year, having been carried, that gentleman proceeded to the seat on the right of the Mayor, usually occupied by the late Town-clerk, amid loud cheering and clapping of hands. Sir T. BRANCKER congratulated the council on the ju dicious choice they had made, and said they would never repent of it; that Mr. Shuttleworth would do his work like a workman ; and that he would stand higher, if pos sible, in their estimation that day twelve months than even he did at present. (" Hear," and cheers.) Mr. MOORE again explained, that, in submitting his amendments, he entertained the highest opinion of Mr. Shuttleworth's legal fitness for the situation. Mr. SIIDTTLEWORTH having taken the usual oath, and signed the declaration as Town-Clerk in the presence of Mr. Sands and Mr. John Holmes, delivered the following address :—The council having been for some time occu pied with routine business, I shall not attempt to trespass on their attention with any lengthened remarks ; but I hope you will allow me to express my grateful thanks for having appointed me to this high and important office. That the council could have selected a more able man I readily admit ; but they could not have appointed any one more resolutely determined, by energy and zeal, to atone for his other deficiencies. (Hear, hear.) Nor could they have selected any one more ardently devoted to the best interests of the great estate, the affairs of which this coun cil is called upon to administer. (Hear, hear.) I shall not detain yon longer than to express my hope that my conduct in the office may be such as to show the council and the pubic that their confidence has not been mis placed. (Cheers.) CLERK OF THE PEACE. Mr. LLOYD said it afforded him great pleasure to pro pose an old resident of the town, and one who stood high in his profession, for the vacant office of Clerk of the Peace. He begged to propose Mr. Peter Wright. The TOWN-CLERK said this was one of those offices for which the Council had no power to pay by salary. A bill had been brought into Parliament, last session, by Sir James Graham, which, when passed, probably in the next session, would enable them to do so; but, in the present position of things, he recommended the Council to adopt a resolution, to the effect, that the nett emolu ments of the Clerkship of the Peace should not exceed , leaving a blank for the amount. Mr. LLOYD accordingly moved that Mr. Peter Wright be appointed Clerk of the Peace, receiving the fees, and accounting with the borough fund for all tees above £5OO per annum, which was to be his sala.y, and that it be un derstood, in his appointment, that Mr. Wright was to follow his private business, paying his own clerks. Mr. ASPINALL seconded the motion, and, in doing so, bore testimony of Mr. Wright's excellent character. He said he had known him for many years, and that he had his authority to state, that, should he be elected, his ser vices would always be at the command of the Mayor and Council whenever the Town-clerk was absent from Liver pool.—(Hear, hear.) A discussion then took place on the subject of postpon ing the appointment, during which it transpired that the fees of the office were, last year, £l2OO, and the year before £l6OO ; and eventually the appointment was ad journed, to obtain a letter from Mr. Wright that he will be satisfied with such salary as the Council may affix to the office. Mr. AIKIN said he wished to call the attention of the council to an individual who of all others was the most proper person to appoint as Clerk of the Peace, and he would have moved his appointment, but for the fact of the salary being such that 1 4 r. Ellis could not afford to give up his situation as clerk of the magistrates. Sir THOMAS BRANCKERaIso paid a high compliment to the conduct of Mr. Ellis. THE MAYOR'S ALLOWANCE. Upon the motion of Mr. John Holmes, the Mayor's allowance was ordered to be the same as usual. MEETING OF THE BIRKENHEAD COMMISSIONERS. The monthly meeting took place on Tuesday evening. last, William Jackson, Esq., in the chair. A letter was read from Mr. John Deane Case, tender ing his- resignation as a commissioner, (of w hich he was chairman,) he being about to remove to another district. The CAAIRMAN said be regretted the circumstance. No gentleman not a ratepayer, or not possessing property in the township,. could he a commissioner, and this had been the cause of Mr. Case's resignation. Mr. BENTEIAM proposed as the only qualified person to fill the vacancy, whether ai the largest landed proprie tor, or as the person to whom the township was most in debted—Mr. Jackson. Mr. WATSON seconded the proposition. Mr. JACKSON returned thanks, stating that he would ever equally protect the rights and interests of the land owner and the rate-payer; and that he hoped the same unanimity which •had hitherto existed amongst the mem bers of the board would continue to exist, so that they might chew an example to other places that " union was strength." The appointment of Vice-Chairman, caused by the elec tion of Mr. Jackson to the office of Chairman, was post poned until next week. The CHAIRMAN moved a vote of thanks to Mr. Case, which, accompanied by a handsome eulogy on his services, was carried unanimously. On the motion of the CHAIRMAN it was agreed to pur chase 3,000 yards of land in Cleveland-street, at 7s. 6d. a yard, for the erection of a police-court, magistrates'. room, and bridewell. It was then agreed to sell in De cember, by public auction, about 70 acres of land skirting the park. It was also agreed to take pro temp Mr. Brassey's house, Hamilton-square, at a rent of .£125 for offices for the Commissioners, their officers and clerks, the present town-hall being inadequate. The CHAIRMAN said he was of opinion that the board would derive £lOOO a-year from the new market, and that they would have a surplus by selling the land round the market, on part of which the present town-ball was built. The Market Committee presented a report relative to the recent falling of a portion of that yet uncovered build ing by the force of the gale of Saturday week, from which it appeared that the walls, &c., were perfectly substantial ; and that had the cross-walls, to be built for the shops at distances of ten feet, been erected, the accident would have been prevented. Another report was submitted by Mr. Cole, the surveyor, showing that the walls, &c., of the Birkenhead Market, when completed, will be stronger than those of Gill-street market, or St. John's, on this side. The CHAIRMAN then left, as he had to proceed imme diately to London. and Mr. J. S. Jackson was appointed to preside in his place. He remarked that he hoped the newspapers would notice the reports relative to the mar ket, as they showed that the falling of a part of the walls was purely accidental. The Ferry Committee presented a very favourable ac count of the receipts for the last month—admitting that much was due to the vast concourse of persons from Liver pool, who had attended the festival. The receipts in Oc tober, last year, were £1,138 12s. 7d. ; the receipts of October, this year—X2,224 19s. Bd. ; leaving a balance in favor of the past month of .C 1,086 7s. Id. Mr. BROWNRIUG asked whether there was any truth in the report, publi3hed in the Mail of Saturday last, as to " there being whole streets of rubbish in the township, plastered with cement, and built by rogues, &c. ?" The CHAIRMAN replied there was not. Every build ing had been erected under the building act, which was more stringent in Birkenhead than almost any other place ; but there really was no use in contradicting what appeared in the Mail. (Hear, hear.) A vote of thanks was unanimously passed to the Nor wich Union Insurance Ccmpany for having presented the township, on the 23d of October last, with a very valuable fire-engine, with the requisite appurtenances. The board then adjourned. CORRESPONDENCE. SHIP-BUILDING. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SlR,—Most writers on shipbuilding have shewn that every good quality in a ship, such as stability, the true po sition for her cargo, with insurance of safety in a gale, de pends on the correct point on which the gravity centres; to this all scientific men have fully assented, yet they have all left us in the daek with respect to its true position. Scarcely two have agreed as to its height; some are for fixing the centre of gravity low down, others as near the line of flotation as possible, from which two points there are a great variety of opinions. Experience and prac tical results have shewn, that by raising it as high as pos sible the ship becomes less laboursome, and therefore less liable to injuryin a sea, and the adoption of this principle will greatly add to her capacity above her load line, through which she fully supports her canvass in a gale. This opinion is sup: orted by the following practical re marks. What would become of sailing boats, such as gigs and skiffs, whose canvass surpass in quantitj (by compa rison) All other vessels ? yet they pass through a sea with ease and safety, having no other ballast than from four to ten men, and often more, whose position raises the centre of gravity above their gunwalls. Again : where is the centre of gravity of our first- rate ships, with four tier of guns, whose height and weight above their line of flota tion far exceeda the parts immersed ? yet they have been proved the safest of all ships in a gale. Again : load two ships, of equal strength, size, and form, to the same draught of water, one with timber, the other with iron ; the latter will strain in a sea, to her great injury, when the former, under the same circumstances, will perform her voyage with ease and safety. Lastly : how many ves sels, through the correctness of their form, are not only able to shift without ballast, but even work to windward. These remarks will go a great way in establishing a prin ciple, that the perpendicular position of gravity, in the formation and building of merchant vessels, should be raised as high as possible, to promote eaie and safety. I am aware, from the nature and quality of which mer chant-ships' cargoes are composed, a correct sta n d ar d cannot be obtained : this trifling uncertainty ought n ot t o lessen the responsibility in the construction of a ship. The centre of gravity remains an unsettled principle with the learned, as to a fixed point in the fore and aft direction, a point of all others most essentially necessary to the for mation of a ship's body, on which alone depends the qua lities of capacity, stability, and safety ; yet to this magic centre no theorist has come to anything like certainty; whence arises that diversity of opinion, pi - educed from vain speculations, whereas common observation and expe rience directs to the half-length of the ship as a natural position for her main transverse section, for this one rett son, among many that may be deduced :—if the midship bend (dead flat) is stationed at either of the extremes, the centre of gravity, and with it the centre of displacement, must follow, or it must be removed by artificial means, through which her disjointing is speedily effected. Ships built with their dead flat far forward must ever unite in one their pitching and rolling motion, that is, they waddle from the starboard bow to the larboard quarter, and the reverse on the opposite roll; the effect in a heavy sea is tremendous, from the after part of the vessel flying from right to left, and from left to right. It may be asked, seeing that the true position of the centre of gravity still remains an undetermined quality, whether it is a neces sary qualification in shipbuilding ? I would answer—yes, it is of the first moment, when correctly placed ; but the great evil with shipbuilders, from its undefined principle, is that they either consider that as a quality it is wholly unnecessary, or that it is immaterial to a vessel in what part it centres, seeing the ballast or cargo will find it out ; as such many construct their ships without a reference to, or calculations thereon ; others pursue a system equally as bad, by resting satisfied with finding the centre of gra vity of the whole fabric. Hence proceeds so many dan gerous and ungovernable vessels. Yet there are ship builders who feel the importance and the responsibility attached to their profession, who in constructing see the necessity of commencing with the centre of gravity at the lower water or level line, and carry it by degrees to the gunwall. It is on this principle, and on this alone, that the centre of gravity becomes of the first importance in the construction of a well-regulated vessel—it is the only attainable means in order to perfection. When deter mined on with judgment it becomes the focus to guide the formation of each level, or water line, to its true course ; it is the centre around which the ship's capacity revolves. It is the judicious placement of this centre, from the keel upwards, that secures to a ship those beneficial and essen tial properties which prove her protection in every dan ger. To define the centre of gravity, and prove the ad vantage of placing it correctly in a vessel, take a piece of fir two or more feet long, by two or three inches square; by suspending it at the half-length between your finger and thumb, or with two pins, you find no difficulty in keeping the upper surface level, produced by having the true centre of gravity ; remove the pins towards either end, and the longest part will immediately drop, which to bring it into an horizontal position, will require either a weight at the short end, or to be lengthened by some artificial means : in either case it will be evident that the centre of gravity is removed from its natural point, without any be nefit resulting therefrom. Again: does not a person on taking a piece of timber on his shoulder, first balance it before he proceeds forward ; and if from some cause the part behind proves the heaviest, is there not an artificial weight added to the shoulder by the pressure of the hand on the light end to equalise the balance? By these sim ple experiments true principles are often established, a n d false ones detected ; from these plain similies there is a greater object in view—that of demonstrating the false principles whereby ships are nowbuilt.ln my next 1 shall resume this subject, wherein will be shewn a mecha nical method for finding the centre of gravity of each water or level line, with the ship's displacement. I am, sir, &c. JOHN COCK. Pembroke Dcck, let Nov. 1844. DOCK COMMITTEE. Mr. MOORE moved that Mr. Charles Stewart Middle ton and Mr. Robert S. Henderson be appointed members of the committee for the affairs of the estate of the Trus tees of the Liverpool docks, in the room of Mr. Henry Holmes and Mr. Simon Lee Trotman, who had ceased to be members of the Council. Agreed to. Mr. MOORE announced that there were four other vacancies in the Dock Committee, occasioned by the retirement of Messrs. Evans, Barclay, Bulley, and Holt, as aldermen, which would have to be filled up at an ad journed meeting of the Council, appointed to be held on Wednesday next. FINANCE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. G. H. Lawrence, the Fir.ance Committee for the year was constituted of the following members: —Messrs. G. G. Hornby, Turner, Aspinall, Sands, Hodgson, Leigh, Blundell, Shaw, Huth Hornby, Houghton, jun., John Holmes, Bushell, Birkett, Sir Thomas Brancker, and G. H. Lawrence. WATCH COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL, the Watch Com mittee was composed of the following members :—Messrs. Glazebrooke, Harbnrd, Hodgson, Hugh Hornbv, Joseph Hornbv, G. G. Hornhy, Houghton, sen., G. H. Law rence, Kilshaw, Parker, Plumpton, Preston, Henderson, Sheppard, R. L. Jones, Sothern, R. B. Hill, Thompson, Thornhill, Tinne, Turner, Mann, James Brancker, T. B. Horsfall, and James Aspinall. IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Nlr. HODGSON, the Improvement Committee was composed of the following members:— Messrs. Hill, R. L. Jones, Bushby, Rigby, Kii s h aw , Plumpton, Stewart, Tinne, Pemberton, and Sheppard. COURTS OF LAW COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. LLOYD, the Courts of Law Committee was constituted of the following :—Messrs. Turner, Thine, Elill, Stewart, Plump on, North, Moly - neux, Hodgson, and J. It. Lloyd. MARKETS COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL the 'Markets Com mittee was constituted of the following : — Messrs. Pres ton, Birkett, Kilshaw, Rigby, Sheppard, Tou'min, Kaye, Middleton, and Aspinall. EDUCATION COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. HODGSON the Education Committee was constituted of the following :—M essrs . Molyneux, Chilton, Crook, Glazebrook, Harbord, It. Houghton, sen., G. H. Lawrence, North, Shaw, Shand, Kaye, G. G. Hornby, Swainson, Horsfall, and Hodgson. GAOL COMMITTEE. Upon the friction of Mr. GEORGE HALL LAWRENCE the Gaol Committee was constituted of the following : Messrs. Hodgson, John Holmes, Hugh Hornbv, Aikin, R. Houghton, iun., Sands, and the Mayor. TOWN• HALL ESTABLISHMENT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Sir Tnomns BRANCKER the Town-hall Establishment Committee wss constituted of the following :—Messrs. Brancker, Bushell, Hodgson, Moore, Swainson, Middleton, and the Mayor. HEALTH OF THE TOWN COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. ASPINALL the Health of the Town, Washhouses, and Baths Committee was con stituted of the following :—Messrs. Blackburn, Birkett, Kaye, Chalmer, Harbord, Houghton, sen., Lace, Kilshaw, Parker, Sheppard, Toulmin, Sothern, R. L. Jones, Tinne, Brancker, Aspinall, and the Mayor. GARDENS COMMITTEE. • The MAYOR : Have you any gentlemen to propose on the Gardens Committee? Mr. G. H. LAWRENCE Poor Isaac Holmes ! Where is he?—(Loud laughter.) Upon the motion of Sir Tuomns BRANCKER the Gar dens Committee was composed of the following members —Messrs. R. L. Jones, Crooke, Robert Jones, Preston' Royden, Thornhill, and Henderson. BOROUGH COURT COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. NORTH, the Borough Court and Court of Requests Committee was composed of the following :—Messrs. Proctor, Pemberton, Parker, Bushby, Thompson, Lace, Lloyd, and North. CHURCH EXPENDITURE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. BIRKETT, the Church Expen- diture Committee was constituted of the following mem bers :—Messrs. Griffith, Lace, Molyneux, Parker, Shand, G. G. Horuby, and Birkett. OBSERVATORY COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Sir Tnos. BRANCKER, the Ob. servatory Committee was constituted of the following:-- Messrs. Aikin, Blackburn, Blundell, Chilton, R. Hough ton, sen., Nicol, Plumpton, Shand, and Hill. THE FIRE COMMITTEE. Upon the motion of Mr. G. G. HORNBY, the Com mittee for the Preservation of Property from Fire was con stituted of the following :—Messrs. Nicol, Sir T. Brancker, Aikin, Stewart, Shand, G. G. Ilor n by, T urner , B us hb y , Swainson, and Sands. FERRY COMMITTEE. The Special Committee appointed, on the 3d of April last, to take into consideration, and report upon, the more effective regulation and management of the Ferries, Ferry-boats, and Landing-places, was. upon the motion of Mr. NORTH, composed of the folloicing : — Messrs. Aikin, Wood, Royden, Blackburn, Stewart, Mann, and North. APPOINTMENT OF ANNUAL OFFICERS. Thomas,Corrie, Receiver of Town-chess; Mr. Askew, Water-bailiff; Lloyd, the Deputy-bailiff; and Mr. Comb, and another, Sub-bailiffs, were re-appointed to their res pective offices for the ensuing year. The Council adjourned at four o'clock, for the despatch of the remainder of the business on the summons paper to morrow. FEDERALISM. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. It is somewhat laughable to behold the various shiftings of the big beggarrnan of Ireland t an oath he s wears to- d ay with unblushing audacity he will revoke tomorrow; a promise which, on his knees, he solemnly pledges hi mse lf to perform one moment, he will, without reserve, split and render nugatory the next. A few months ago Mr. O'Connell, the uncompromising Mr. O'Connell, the resolute Mr. O'Connell, the firm and unshaken advocate for repeal, the truthful Mr. nnell ! ! spoke the following : " Ere the revoiving year passed over their heads they should have a Parliament in College-green." It is the duty of every i lrishman to labour, an d never t o d e . sist from labouring,till their ndependentpatliament was restored in Col ege-green, independent of the British Parliament." Proud boaster ! who gayest thee authority to advise " It is the duly" forsooth, and he first violates th a t duty. " Stick to your banners" forsooth ! and it is he that first deserts them. Oh, thou dealer in precept ! Stick to your text, and teach your followers how to work. O'Connell was just set free ; the injustice of faction, and faction in the highest tribunal of the country too, opened his prison doors, and his followers and himself avowed that the final lift to repeal was given, that it would now overbear all opposition, arid " Ireland would be a na tion." Shouts of triumph resounded, O'Connell's tail took it up, and as the sound went on it increased in loud ness ; but suddenly the great leader of all, the presidiug spirit and life of his tail, dropped repeal and gave way. The tail stood aghast, astonished, confused ; and their loud shouts of triumph dwindled down to miserable croakings for federalism. " 0, how art thou fallen !" the blusterer, some few months ago, in tones of magni tude, but now, now when "such a triumph as never hap pened" had been given to them by partial factionists, now, whentheir expectation s were a ll to b e realized,tuhe esaid) strikes the banners of repe a l an d h o i sts n note h the puny flag of federalism. In 1843 federalism was hooted from coalition, denounced as a disgraceful course of dishonesty, yet, in 1844, the un blushing and cowardly liar is opporel to the ardent advo cates of his former professions on that very subject. Once he professed the most enthusiastic adherence to repeal and hatred for all compromise ; and with such pro fessions, and on consideration of uttering such professions, his exchequer was filled with that which his countrymen toiled day and night to earn. For repeal was it that he said he would give them his head on a block if he did not gain it in six months, yet he throws it overboard. And, ye " simple repeaters," will you suffer it 'any longer ? Utter your manifesto ; let the demagogue know that you will be trifled with no longer. Tell him, " We gave you our money on consideration of your fulfilling your agreement for repeal ; you have broken your pro mise ; you have dissolved the agreement as respects us, dissolve it in all, as respects yourself." Poor, pitiful children you must be, if you pass by this latest breach of faith ; you love repeal, you have ever che rished in your minds a fond anticipation of gaining it. You relied on, and gave your money to, Daniel O'Connell to effect this object ; he swore he would : he cried, " No compromise ;" he made the most solemn protestations, he uttered the most sacred vows for—not federalism— that, said he, (then,) is a miserable shelter " under which cowards hide their treason ;" that he abhorred—but for repeal. And, lo ! where is it ? Aye, Irishmen, tell me that ; where is it ? Oh, you are deceived! you are cheat ed, miserably cheated; for where is it ? And echo an swers, " Where ?" The man has abandoned it. What for ? " A miserable shelter for cowards"—federalism. 'Twas cruel of thee, Dan, to leave it ! 'Twos deceitful of thee to make a split in the camp ; 'twas very cruel, 'twos very ungrateful, just at the very moment when the trumpet of triumph sounded with renewed vigour,.when obloquy fresh was heaped en the friends of loyalty and peace, when all was announced to be flourishing and healthful, to desert the cause ; when thou hadst pocketed the money, pitifully to sneak out of thy engagements, oh, 'twas mean ! 'twas cowardly ! Thy followers will desert thee, and leave thy grey hairs to drop in ignominy to the tomb.—Yours, &c., DELTA. HUMBUG. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. SlR,—The other day, while sauntering along the streets, thinking of nothing, my reverie was disturbed by the loud talking of two men, which - was wound up by one telling the other that John Snooks was a regler humbug. Tnis instantly diverted my thoughts into a new channel ; I had scarcely time to consider what humbug really was, ere my attention was again arrested by hearing a lad say to an other, " Never mind him, Bob, he's only humbugging you." A little further on, I observed two women stand ing by a gin shop, wiping their mouths, " I tell you what," said one of them, " it's all humbug to say he can sell good stuff at that price." At the door of a charity school, a little girl stood yelping and crying, I inquired what was the matter, she said, " it was all hntnbug sending her to school; she couldn't, and she wouldn't learn her letters, and she'd tell her mother so, when she got home." Well, thought I, this humbug is a curious thing, when I was once more aroused by a friend tapping me on the shoulder and saying, with a rueful countenance, " It's all up with me, that humbug. Sam Earwig, has humbugged me out of my money, by humbugging me into buying his cursed jerry-built houses." I had just fairly got into motion again, when I was accosted with, " Well, Dick Bore has humbugged me out of my vote by the promise of a La note, and he actually laughed in my face when I told him he was a downright humbug. ` Why,' said he, with a vicious grin, ' you surely are not so jolly green as not to know that electioneering is sheer humbug from beginning to end ?' " So, thought I, just get out of this hum bug, and take a cop of coffee. I had just raised the be verage to my lips, when a customer said to the waiter, " Why, you confounded humbug, what the do you call this stuff ? it's nought but chicory." I involuntarily dropt the cup, and rushed cut of the house. Humbug ! humbug ! ! thought I, the world is surely made op of humbug. Men do not go courting, but they humbug their sweethearts, and wives humbug their husbands. Merchants and tradesmen make their money by humbug • the statesman gets on by humbug; the newspapers keep up party spirit by humbug; clerks progress with their employers by humbug; books are puffed into sale by humbug; lawyers humbug their clients till they humbug them out of the oyster; speeches in parliament are all humbug ; the very children take in humbug with their mothers' milk. I have always blundered on in a straight forward course, and been soundly humbugged, and yet never seriously thought of humbugging in return ; 1 must begin ; upon whom shall I make the first essay ? Toxteth-pork, sth November. BUILDING SOCIETIES. W. G. P. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD. Sin,—Among the many and various schemes that the mania for joint-stock companies bas engendered, none have been more successful (in obtaining shareholders at least) than Building Societies. This is not to be won dered at when we consider the smallness of the monthly subscriptions, and the other inducements held out to that class of the community least able to detect the fallacies of their delusive reports. _ That too many of these societies are mere gambling speculations, without the fairness of games of chalice, is easily proved ; for what other name can be given to pro jects, where tr.ree-fcurths of the profits are dependent on the chance of the poorer shareholders being unable to pay up their subscriptions. It would occupy too much of your columns to copy a prospectus, but they all promise the same thing, viz.,— that for every lOs. paid monthly, or £6 a year, tor a term of ten years, £l2O will be returned at the expiry of tnat time—thus doubling the capital. That this is impossible, unless by means of fines and forfeitures, the following calculation will show ; and as it would be invidious to name any particular society, I will suppose an imaginary one of 200 shares : £. s. d. 200 shares, at 10s. each per month, is £lOO ; this monthly for ten years is 12,000 0 0 And they promise that the profits will be Thus in ten years the stock will be.. 24,000 0 0 But £lon paid monthly for ten years, with interest and compound interest at 5 per cent. (deducting the very moderate MD. of £5O a year for printing, stationery, se cretary's salary, and other expenses,) will only amount to . 14,824 12 0 Leaving a deficiency of £ 9,175 8 0 The above calculation is far too advantageous to the society, as I have made it on the supposition that each payment bears 5 per cent. interest from the very day it is paid—that they borrow no money—that all their securi ties are perfectly good—that they have no lawsuits, and of course no law expenses—and, indeed, that they suffer no losses of any description. Now every one conversaat with these societies is aware that they are all subject to one or other of the above drawbacks. Had I allowed for them, the balance would have been considerably more. But, with all these advantages, there is a deficiency of £9,175 ; and how is it made up? By fines and forfeitures. The fines are heavy, and increase in geometrical progres sion ; in some societies they amount to one thousand per cent, per annum. The tradesman who, " from being out of work, sickness, or other causes," neglects for some months to pay up his subscriptions, finds, upon returning to the society, that they have a balance against him of fines, fines for nonpayment of. fines, &c., &c., far above his means to discharge. He perhaps struggles on for a few months, but, finding the balance still increasing, re tires in despair. Consequently, all his previous payments are forfeited, and go to swell the pockets of his richer neighbours, who, in solemn conclave assembled, report ' that the society is in a very flourishing condition As to the borrowers, so far as I have had an opportu nity of observing, they do not pay much above 5 per cent. for the money (always supposng that the society only lasts ten years). Thus they are pretty safe • and, as the Scotch say, if they are pleased lam pleased. The Chi nese have a proverb, " He that borrows to build, builds to sell ;" and I doubt many will find the truth of it who have borrowed money from Building Societies. And woe to them should the societies last eighteen or twenty years ! _They can easily calculate what their pro perty will cost them in that me. That some of them will last that time, or even longer, I firmly believe, and hereby prophesy. Your obedient servant, NEWMAN NOGGS. THE EARL OF DERBY v. THE IMPROVEMENT OF LIVERPOOL. " No obstacle shall be thrown in the way of thi s rai l w a y on my part ; on the contrary, if absolutely necessary , they may ma k e a tunnel beneath ray ve ry . drawing-room, " Marquis of Bristol's an swer to the applicaticn from the direct London and Norwich Rail way,—Bury Journal for October, 1944. TO THE EDITOR OF THE LIVERPOOL STANDARD, Sift,—We have it as a tradition; that ever since the death of the great Lord Strange, the house of Knowsley has invariably set its face against improvements likely to benefit our good old town. It is singular that such be the case; for if the interests of that family are not identified with the prosperity of Liverpool, they are, certainly, greatly enhanced by it. It was to the continuance of this feeling that, in more modern times, a grand improvement, from Temple -court through Stanley-street, was frustrated, and that the di rectors of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway were constrained to make their line to the south end of the town. It is now currently reported, that the great Baron Stan ley, despite of his unquestioned ability, is tinctured with the same narrow spirit ; and that he is determined to op pose any railway approaching the town from the north ward. What would his lordship think o f t h e M arquis of Bristol's saying on a like occasion, and which I have pre fixed to my letter ! I should hope, however, that the noble baron, in justice to his own character, will reconsider this rash resolve, and adopt a course more befitting a conspicuous:silage:rid ing member of the administration of this great maatinpr cial country. If not, the only plan will be for the commerolairsrertitif Lancashire themselves to bring their case•beforei.pliiiia ment, and ascertain whether 'the legislature, willizttithe instance of any great landed proprietor, however puwer ful from property or connections, refuse to. grin-Add-Li verpool such great public improvements, as - theyhirrere shown that they are anxious to extend to all °therm:phis of the country. If we cast our eyes over the river and.see , itithiivbiat zeal and unanimity the landed' gentry there ca mute with the enterptising mercantile men at Birk - cite:ad:in every project calculated to advance the interestschitWzat place, we cannot but be struck with the contrastitintithe conduct of the landed gentry on this side of, themtater. At such a time Liverpool has most to fear fromtbepOittity of those who ought to be most active and tnergetididatjay— ing open her resources at the great north westercppatrtbf the kingdom. To oppose, or to be neutral, as tdcfrtither railway accAnmodation or extension for Liverpsialisilia effect to play into the hand of her rival (schtetikilltjt) young Birkenhead. As you, sir, hare stood forth manfully in-supprortoerf townside interests, when others were disposed tu,quitillifl shall confidently rely upon the insertion of this lathes. I am, sir, Your friend, A DICKEYS&AII/41. Liverpool Nov. 1, 1844. P.S.—I perceive that the Earl of Derby hat just; en £3OO towards the intended parks at Manchester. any of your numerous readers point out an last:wee. if equal liberality from the house of Knowsley tomailica Liverpool public improvement ? SPORTING INTELLIGENCE. MANCHESTER-FRIDAY EVENING. DERBY. Out of a multiplicity of offers at the room to;drymye only saw some solitary bet accepted, namely, 400:40"..(10 about Cabin Boy, his backer signifying a wish to„ perse— vere at like terms. In other respe c t s , so fleeting atid visionary has been the business altogether since-Toett4y, and the offers to-day in almost every particular,v)are!lo nearly assimilated to the London prices, that mitotic: recapitulation of what was done would be supetfluosts. TATTERSALL'S-THURSDAY. The flatness of business yesterday afternoon marked the commencement of the winter season, and promises to lighten our occupation at the "corner" for somegkight or ten weeks to come. The fluctuations were: fevcand slight, reauiring no other notice than is contaittechinSite following table of prices at the close : - DERBY. 10 to 1 agst Mr. Greville's Alarm. 16 1 Col. Anson's Kedger. 23 1 Lord Chesterfield's Newsmonger.-4,-,t. 25 1 Lord Stradbroke's ldas. 25 1 Col. Peel's Cobweb colt. 25 1 Mr. John Day's Old England. 28 1 Mr. Heseltine's Fitz Allen.—t. 28 1 Mr. Winteringham's Rebecca colt.-t. 33 1 Mr. Mostyn's PAntasa. 35 1 Mr. Coleman's Young Eclipse.—t. 35 1 Mr. Gully's Weatherbit.—t. 40 1 Duke of Richmond's Laird of Cci.clcpsiv...- taken. 40 1 Mr. Mostyn's Black Prince. 50 1 Lord Glasgow's Miss Whip colt--tt. 2000 —35 Col. Cradock's Jinglepot.—t. 2000— 30 Mr. Lintott's Cabin Boy. —t. 3000 to 50 each was laid agst Jinglepot andlitO*ll43 Whip colt, in one bet. OAKS. 8 to 1 agst Mr. Worthington's LancashireWitch.-t-,t. 10 1 Duke of Richmond's Ref:action. THE LATE MR. CROCKFORD'S ACCOWIT. At a general meeting of the Jockey Club, on Fridat*t, it was resolved "That the account of thelate Mr: ford must be settled on the first Monday in Decembeb on a guarantee bng previously given, by some pctsqa duly authorised, tat the bets due from Mr. Crockferd shall be paid in full ; and after that time all persqnsre fusin to pay shall be considered defaulters, ancllterattd accordingly." THE ALTCAR COURSING MEETING, NOVEMBER 7th and Bth, 1844. The meeting, owing to the inclemency of the wegthe,r, was not quite so numerously attended as had been'gx pected. There was, however, a considerable numlP-riQn the ground. The sport was excellent, and the , flogitriart of the Judges gave general satisfaction. We supicfirtliee return : THE Cur.---Mr. Clowe's Cataract beat Mr.- SUM /Ws Snake, and divided the stakes. SEFTON STAKES.—Mr. Shaw's Shamrock beattliVr. Ridgway's Rokeby, and won the stakes. CROXTETiI STAKES. —Mr. Wynne's Baroness,bgathlr. Clowes's Countess, and won the stakes. WEST DERBY STAKES. —Mr. Wynne's. Baronage Mr. Swan's Strike-a-light, and won the stakes. HUNTING APPOINTMENTS. Sir W. M. STANLEY'S Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at Friday, 15, at . At eleven. Sir W. W. WYNN'S Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at Bryn y z ,pys Friday, 15. at i 'Met Saturday, 16, at.. At half-past ten. The CHESHIRE Hounds will meet on Wednesday, 13, at Tattotilacitk Thursday, 14, at AAiripv Saturday, 16, at At half-p.:st ten. EXPORT OF Houses.—Two mares, "Our Nelr B.od " Crucifix," both winners of the Oaks, and the latter Ala() of a 2,000 guineas at Newmarket, with " King William;" an en,ire horse, from the neighbourhood of Darlington, were shipped last week for Hamburg, from this portifor the King of Prussia. Six mares and geldings, forniing i a portion of the racing stud of the Earl of North(' mberkgdil, have also been despatched from this port, for . Health where a number of British sportsmen are about to assem ble. The celebrated horse Sheet Anchor, winner of gibe Portland Handicap, and many other large stakes, leftltilis port yesterday morning for Brunswick, for the DUkeiti Brunswick.—Hull Herald. CLOSING OF THE SHOPS AT SEVEN O'CLOCK... 7; 4A meeting of the woollen-drapers and grocers' assisgnts residing in the neighbourhood of St. James-streets,Was held, on Thursday evening, at Mr. Urmson's, Dunoa street, for the purpose of considering the best means pf procuring the benefits derivable from the seven o'clock closing of the shops. Mr. J. B. Jackson, in the absence of the chairman of the district at another meeting, was called upon to preside. After a few remarks upon :thee object of the meeting and the favourable state or public opinion upon the movement he called upon Mr. Carr to move the first resolution, to the effect, that the rapid progress of the seven o'clock closing of the shops called upon them to use their utmost exertions to obtaintier that neighbourhood the benefits now enjoyed in slater portions of the town. Mr. Roberts eloquently seectssltd the resolution, which was agreed to unanimously. 'Mr. Whippam moved, Mr. Frazer seconded, and Mr. White man supported the second resolution, appointing a depu tation to confer with the district committee of the' AStEO - of Assistant Tradesmen. Mr. W. B. Jones arrived as the meeting was about to separate, and spoke, foe kfetv minutes, in his usual practical and energetic strain. Thanks were voted to the chairman, and the proceedings terminated at half-past ten. HUGUENIN'S GT AINASIUM..--M. linzuen;n hasrco moved his gymnastic establishment from Cook-streeyn account of the premises being about to be pulled downieto the Commercial Hall, over the Railway Station, and.tter tainly no building could be found in the town moreo - adapted for such a purpose. The Railway:SA tion is considered, we believe, to be the very centreloilltrile town. It is only six minutes' walk from the ExoloOrtge and Custom-house, and is the largest room in Liver being capable of holding 2,000 persons. Althougltt ,e building is used on Sundays as a place of worship forte Irish Presbyterians, M. Iluguenin's machinery is so Atli arranged that it can be taken down or refixed with ease l in an hour or two. No boxing or smoking is allowed is the room, and every means are taken to keep it perfeetlycae lect. To ladies coming from the upper parts of the-WWII it is also remarkably well situated. For the convenience of parties attending the room, we understand it isition temptation to arrange a small refreshment room. The TEETH have ever been considered .as formillgtPne of the most pleasing ornaments of the human counte nance, and their preservation demands our utmost Qsere and attention. Indeed, if there be any loss that s plive particularly affects the countenance than anotlierijkis that of the Teeth ; which the Dentist, however ingenitNs, must ever Vainly hope satisfactorily to replace by arti4etal contrivance. The DECAY of the TEETH and - G,trrs arises from various causes ; but, principally, it may attributed to early neglect, ill health, or the use of Tooth Powders containing mineral substances and deleterlems acids, which give temporary whiteness to the Teeth, misjle they corrode the enamel. To this fact, indeed, is pripci pally to be attributed the long Botanical Research, vfliii k eh was happily terminated by the most felicitous discoyvy ever given to the world for the PRESERVAT ION rofAhe TEETH, Gusts, and BREATH, VIZ.-- ROW/4100 ODONTO, or PEARL DENTRIFICE. Prepaned from Oriental Herbs with unusual sere, and- transmitted to this country at great expense, ROWLAND'S OpoNTD is no less distinguished for its powerfully efficacious, anti dotal, and purifying virtues, in immediately arresting caries, or decay in the Teeth, than for its stir - 13%114v° properties in fixing them (when loose) firmly iu : Ocir sockets, and in giving a healthy redness and firmnesa,to the Gums. Its corrective properties are in pan44er most pleasingly displayed in respect to the BREAu7uto which it imparts a sweetness and fragrance not a logo's gratifying to i:s possessor. As the most efficient.andria grant aromatic cleanser of the Moors', TEETH, and Gusts ever known, ROWLAND'S OPONTO has now for a long series of years occupied a distinguished place at the Toilets of the Sovereigns and the Nobility throughout Europe, while the general demand for it at once announces the favour in which it is held by the public at large. t; It should never be forgotten, that when use d early in)ifts t it effectually prevents all aches in the Teeth and ppms effaces all Spots and Discoloration whatsoever—Cradi9ates Scurvy—and, in a word, soon realizes the chief atttit4ite of Health and Beauty —A BEAUTIFUL SET OF Price 2s. 9d. per Box. The " Genuine Article!' .has.ilie words "A. ROWLAND AND SON, 20, HATTON-G.A11,4N,” engraved (by Authority) on the Government4t*. *OAR others are FRAUDULENT COUNTERFEITS r. ~,,be, ante, dver haul, ford, was iding r) the ugh may'. Iwo pot ur ing ur ing caS or rd- Ice